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Episode 234: NYPD Chief Jeffrey Maddrey On Repairing Community Relations

Max & Murphy on Politics

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

Episode 234: NYPD Chief Jeffrey Maddrey On Repairing Community Relations

"Jared Murphy from city limits, Dot Org and this is Ben Maximum Galvin Gazette. So. The tails now. To our next topic, and that is the city's a public safety situation, ongoing discussion Al very deep one about Sh- policing in its role in society, policing and race, and of course in recent days it concerned about rising levels of violence in the city, an increased number of shootings a lot to talk about when it comes to policing especially the community aspects of it, and so that's why it screened that we're joined now by chief Jeffrey measuring who is a new? Chief of the Community Affairs Bureau. Chief Manager Welcome to Maxim Murphy. You. I'm good. Thanks very much, so you are recently appointed the chief of community affairs after five years as borough commander in Brooklyn North. You've been with the since nineteen ninety-one. Tell us about the command that you are now in charge of obviously, people know clearly affairs there. The cops to wear the shirts look different, but I'm sure the difference is go a little deeper than that US what they mean to you. Well, a community affairs. been about you know cops and community working together. And for me I'm just looking to expand that role to make sure we're really a part of compensated New York. Really with all. The how we could best service them and to make sure that people you know should that? Was Out there being known we want him. On the same level, respect back to the police department and then. For me is about an a gap. Forced the of the. COPS unity. and. You, don't have hopeless. Intern having a little fun to. Save a little bit more chief Maj about what your approach is. GonNa look like to this role. Are there certain things that you plan to change? Are there certain things that you're doing that? You think you know our most essential to coming in fresh into the role and saying you know what there's. There's new leadership here and this is this direction I'm GonNa take this work in a little bit different than the past. Not necessarily you know that that the password was wrong, but how you're gonNA. Do you know yet how you're going to put your? Personal imprint on this role. I think. Approach is really. Approach that should all be taken. It's about. The industry being on the ground. Talking to communities I went up to a basketball game yesterday. I was in that was being held an honorably young young man, who lost his life and I'll community a good young man, and they had to be about four hundred people out there and when I tell you I had numerous conversations out there shook so many hands took so many pitches and. People enjoyed having the conversation with me as I enjoyed having a conversation with them. I think a lot of people support the police department. They WANNA. Have the compensations, but in my role here that the police department we're taking the first steps to build that bridge to have those conversations to have those cordial into action, and even when we have something to ratchet. Up to be done with a levels back in, everyone has to be left with their dignity. Can you. Can you say a little bit more of why those relationships matter? you know. Why why does it matter if? You know there's there's good sort of rapport between cops and young people in different communities and community affairs you know is having a presence or even hosting a basketball game or a barbecue, or whatever it might be what? Why does that actually matter? What does that actually lead to? Do you think I I think it matters because the community has a good relationship with police. They'll. They'll give more support to the police. Even during tough situations, they'll give more support to police especially when. The particular officer. Maybe a neighborhood could. Cheese. I think we lost you there for a second. Maybe. We've lost chief magically here. Bowling maybe we need to get him back on the line. Alone. Right. Now I'm doing my phone. Don't know when we lost you there for a minute, but you're back, so maybe we take back from the top, but. Okay but let me feeling. We heard you for a second say it matters because the community. Will you know? We'll. The police. And that clued. That's exactly what I was. That was my whole Throwing adding about? When police officers out there and we're building good relationships and we're knowing that communities that we served. It's. Helped Garner support for police officers. When our offices out there, and and the communities familiar with them and they had. You know. Pack discussions with the Patch interactions with the positive interactions for the police officers have to take some. You know some level enforcement I'll have to make the tough decision. People may not like. They'll know that good. That's a good officer they. Have, a relationship with WHO's worked in the community in does right by the community, and they had to make the tough decision on the stuff call I've been talking to a lot of people in the community. The last few days and people are asking for for Sir. Dress quality life conditions. People ask not for us to stop the violence that happened out here. What the police need to support it a people as well all right. We're doing job out here. We're doing a dangerous job out here. We need to the community to support US support I actions. We. Are Not talking about what we do, something, excessive or wrong for. We're doing a tough job. We completed making a top arrest or guy pretension. People have to support us when. We're doing it at the behalf to the community, we're taking action to save the laws of the community. We taking actually action. Improve your quality of life. Would have to support in these actions. KIEF based on those conversations and your instincts developed over three, or that goes back to ninety one with eighty. What do you think is driving the increased violence you've seen in the past few weeks. Increased number shootings. To what do you attribute that I mean you see a lot of things on our community? I mean first of all we we. We all suffered to a pandemic in there was final financial distress. There was hunger. There was food deprivation. People were cooped up in the house. There were a lot of things that. I, think manifested itself during the pandemic You know we have some issues at all our. Our our criminal justice, we have been making arrests and also due to Kovic. We're releasing releasing prisoners releasing people arrested for guns and and serious crimes. and. When! We make the arrest and they're getting out. It's hard. I mean when they get out and they're getting out with a little consequences. A lot of times they're not going to say had got out. I'm just going to go straight. They go back right to what they were doing. So, you know we understand this pandemic. We had to save lives and even in the jails. We have to save lives, but the system has to work when we arrest and violent criminals people with. With PASA carrying guns in doing crimes, we arrested. They have to remain in jail. and. Be have heard reports and sound police. Union leaders have attested this that there is a morale problem among police officers. Do you feel that is the case? Is there barral problem in my PD? Is that having an impact on its crime fighting abilities? Of course. There is a morale issue. We have a lot of young police officer in this department young department, and if you listen to the rhetoric stacked in spewed around in the community over and the city last few weeks. I mean there's there's graffiti kill. COPS is a rhetoric of the fund police. You know there's rhetoric that everyone in the police department is bad. Out there. I was working to protest. I've been I. was called every name in the book I was called. Racial, slurs people. You know I, it was. It was a terrible time out there and I have thirty years experience and I have a lot of experience I've been through a lot. What happens when they're doing this? To a twenty four twenty five year old cop, who doesn't have thirty years experienced you. You don't think they'll build disenfranchise. You don't think they'll feel hurt. You don't think they'll feel unsupported. Of course they will, and this is why it's so important for us to have. Good relationship community and I've met so many people over the last few days in this new role I've been charging Brooklyn the last five years before I took this position, and so I, know the Brooklyn Community Wealth, but I've been up in Harlem and the Bronx Queens talking to people and so many people were very supportive of the police, but they have to speak up about it. I'll obviously know that they have support. There's people want him to be successful in keeping their community safe. Is, something that must be done. We can't let go back to the way it was many years ago. What do you think drives that? Against the police leads people to shout, slur is in. Graffiti and and others who would call for harming the cops or saying anything about them personally, but who want to defend it. Where do you think that comes from is is in out of thin air. Do you think it has some rational basis? Now I mean listen we have. You know when you look at his from a historical context especially. In black communities and Latino communities have been fractured relationships with the police in the community You know during the two fifty era. we stopped a lot of people who shouldn't have been stopped, and we created some controversy things that the department works on correct. But I think when you know. The Police Department is a profession. That's broad brushed. Something can happen California and you know we have to answer pork. Another municipality and again we're going to be looked at. Is the same way in the same in the same way. So. We always have to understand that, and sometimes, when the Internet happens at another state another city again if it just brings back some of those old feelings. that we had some of our communities where the relationships have been strained. So when those things happen to suggest double back down double down. Get back into the communities talk to people. participating positive events has difficult compensations that way we can start reestablishing trust. Building Cross where we may have not have had it in the first place. And and continue to work together outlaw city out. How does you know? I think somebody said there is certainly very interesting and you know, but but certainly you know some of the sentiment in New York is not, it might be re sparked by something that happens elsewhere, but it's not only about how long ago things that happened the city. Right Amon we've seen even since George was killed saw officers using an apparent chokehold on someone. In the city here and you know some of the ways that officers were behaving during the protests where there's already been even a few officers disciplined for those things, so it's not just about things happening elsewhere. How do you in this role in community affairs? Have you talked to people about what the NYPD is doing a needs to do to weed out the officers that should not be part of the force well. I mean NYPD has a lot of site. I mean we have the city council? The five district attorney's. We have an internal affairs bureau. Civilian Complaint Review. Board a Federal Monitor, so there's quite a few things that we already had in place that help with the discipline process, but when you look at. no prior to the murder of George Floyd. You know we were we were already having some issues, just addressing the whole cove in nineteen situation, but overall I think we would join all right here. We work off communities. During the cold pandemic. We Fed families. We provided math. We did a lot of things. People will upset with some of enforcement for social distancing. And you heard the police commissioner save time and time again that we maybe shouldn't have been a part of enforcing social distance and physical distance, and but we were taxed with, so we had to do our jobs. But just when you look at the protests. There of course. There were some incidents out there. That didn't that would not good that you know a lot of people in law enforcement, disturbed somebody incident, but I think overall with the amount of protests that we handled amount of people that we have those I did a very professional job out there. There were a few a few. Bad choices that a few mistakes done out there and police commissioners has been. He's been addressing him addressing those. States and bad choices. And, you know There's there's other review and oversight that's going on with the protests, and how we handle things out there but I think by law with the amount of people who are out there. We did it. We did a tremendous job at keeping. People say that people raise their voices. You know we we. We took a lot of use out there. We remain professional for the most part and will continue to do that will continue to do that. There's a lot in your answer there that we could We dissect if we had an extra half hour, so we definitely want to get to a couple of other things abuse, so I'm I think probably my final question is. As, you're taking over here in community affairs, there's also this shift that's been decided on of the school safety. Division and you're going to be. clearly still overseeing school safety at least for this coming school year, and then also helping with. Seemingly, helping with the transition to the Department of Education Do, you think it is the right move to move school safety out of the PD in. How are you thinking about that that process it's. Something that remains to be seen and I mean school safety was under the Board of Education now the Department of Education for years. I think they want it tied accounting processes. They want to increase public safety in schools. They were incidents of. Of of weapons being bought schools. Crimes occurrence schools, and they wanted to tighten up to oversight provide better training and things of that nature when the police. Department took over school safety I was one of the original people will. WHO's a part of that transition? I was a sergeant I was original school saw. For, the seventy seven precent and it was a learning process. It was a learning process. It will procedures that weren't in place. We had to figure out we had to kind of. You know make things as we went along. And then you know retroactively, make it a procedure. Fix It, but I think we came a long way with the way we. Handle schools when you look at the school safety composition of people in school safety. A lot of people are talking about. Big? African American Latino population in the school safety division employees a lot of them. Mature people parents people with a lot of experience dealing with children. So? To say that you know they weren't doing the right Jianghuai. Sit Be the NYPD I. Don't know about that because there were a lot of good people in there, who kid those children who dug in their own pockets feed those children. And did it under under. Under the NYPD, so when he gets back out, I don't think any of those people would change all be great. People are still love to children the same way and do everything they can, and they'll still have the support of the NYPD. There's no way something's going to happen in the school in New York City. In the schools, safety has caused support from the police department it. We're not going to respond. We're just not going to have oversight of the day to day operation, so we'll see how that works out when it's all said and done. She felt before we let you go. When asked question coming back to the rank and file officers who will be under your command your new post and Twenty something years ago, for complicated reasons I went through the first several stages of becoming a New York City cop and was sitting around one day with other potential recruits. People were talking about what they wanted to do. In the department, it was harbor division was ESPN was being detective. no-one mentioned community affairs, and I think the perception. Was that anyway? This was seen as a job that that allow. COPS wouldn't want because of wasn't seen as quote. Unquote real policing is that still the case is this is being community. Fair's coveted post. What kind of cops do seek that out of? What kind of cops should what kind of culture are you trying to create around the idea of being? Fares Officer. Well. First and foremost I think all police. Officers should have so community affairs role within them, and I'm talking about personally about how. How we use professionalism to modified situations in working with communities and sometimes bending over backwards to help them out. I think we need affairs in. You know taking over as people who are committed to their communities, and they don't. They don't have to mess with early live at community. During the minute they assigned to that precent have borough. Community because they're probably going to be spending more on their. Home or anywhere else so it is their community. They're basically going to be all the time. Off In there, they'll be you know using their resources in that community, so it's their community and I'm looking for cops who really come or closely with their community have a vested interest in in the community you. WanNa, be innovative and do some things to help bridge the police community provide. In my role in Brooklyn, we did some incredible things I used to host a yearly D. annual competitions we. We did things where we went into the schools and did A. Room and we dance with. The kids did jeopardy tournament with the kids we'd. Leeann campaigns with the kid kids every Chris the last four years. We've done We call our annual sleigh ride. We give out over ten thousand ten thousand guests, children many many gifts. The children wouldn't get. If, we weren't providing. So I think there's great opportunity to go out there and work in the communities be mentors bring value to the lives of young people to be a resource to parents who may be struggling and need additional help. So. There's a lot of community busy deal Since I've been in quite a few calls for members of this apartment who wanna come and work in his bureau here and get out there and bring value communities so I think we're GonNa do great things. Community Affairs. Well, that's that's interesting that you get those calls and that'll be a trend to watch for us to check back in with you on that's we've been talking with chief Jeffrey manager WHO'S THE NEW NYPD chief of community affairs, and we thank you for the time with us and good luck out there. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Be while all right. Thank you take care. We hope you have a great week in the greatest city in the world. Around.

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Tatum Super Max & Hayward's future

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

00:00 sec | Last month

Tatum Super Max & Hayward's future

"Welcome to an offseason addition another offseason a sad offseason addition of the garden report. All right off, but it is what it is. It could be the values could be the worst time could be it could be what my fear is is going to be a boring time. I like off Seasons, but the Celtics again seemed like a fairly well structured team where you're going to have a thing or two that happens, but there's still there's an offseason checklist in the potential for drama. So wage. Let's just run through some of the things that they have to do here first order of business. It seems to be guaranteed at this point is Jayson Tatum signs a supermax deal, which he now has a right to do because he made third-team all-nba and that's going to lock him up until his age 27 season because it kicks in after his final year. I believe of his contract before it's dead. To to pay out at that level. So right essentially it's an extension. It's after next year takes them to his age 27 season and sets him up for another monster deal at this point. So everyone assumes this happens, right? Is there any world in which it doesn whether it's from Tatum aside or the Celtics side? I can't see it. I'm just throwing it out there to you guys cuz this always seemed like a done deal but just I'm not trying to Stir It Up but there's parts of me that I've always wondered. You know, this guy want to be you know, you know like oh, no I again we assumed it's dead. I don't want to assume anything. So I'll just throw it out to you guys. Yeah, I think it's safe to say I mean, yeah from what we've seen from How The Team feels about Jayson Tatum from the progression. He's made year after year. He wants to see this thing through and of course it's always do as well. Rest even does, you know, they would have to get to the NBA finals. I think at this point. It's the next season's a bus that they don't, you know, I think we gave them that leeway for this year's. And they surprised us regardless of how you feel, you know, after seeing them get eliminated but heading into the season that it wasn't the goal. Right and B if I was in certain goal, they surprised us on this one. So yeah, I think that was a safe bet is Jayson Tatum. Yeah get it done. I agree with Joe swear. I think I think Bob is going to agree to I mean, this is a guy that you you build your your team your franchise around, right? I mean, it sees the right position. He's at the right age. He's a you know working he's improving. I mean by by all accounts everyone would say that this was you know a great season for him. I think after a year or two is when you started here a couple of questions, like, you know always just got really on the trajectory to supermax or Superstar type player, but I think this season kind of put those Whispers to rest and you know kind of show kind of prove that you know, he is going to be if not already V guy in Boston moving forward and they're going to have to build around himself. Listen. I mean the Celtics are 1,000% going to you know, make that offer and I don't understand why it makes you know, I think of a good reason why Jason stated wouldn't accept it. So I'm sure thing I'd be a terrible move if he did it. In fact, this is the possibility he could lean for four years versus the five-year extension that they're able off. Last year of that fifth year is a $47 million-dollar. So that's why you do it. It's it's I'm sorry 49.5 Bobby that that last year. The first year is 37,000 of of that extension in the 2122 season. So it depends on the cap will see where the cap it is that so if it keeps increasing what you're probably won't it gets the 37. I think it's going to be more like 33 in that first year if they keep it flat but still I mean we're talking five years Max salary he's going to do it he's going to do it but that's it. So you're tied to Tatum a guy which means he's your boss car and I like I like John how you mentioned it sets them up nicely for the next big contract is right. Well, well, what's a 27 Jayson Tatum Public Library? Oh, he's just entering his Prime. Oh, this is you know, he hasn't even peaked yet. That contract is going to that's the one that that's the one who's going to leave you then he becomes that guy who just signed one-year deals over and over and over again funny dog. Spot for some for some Los Angeles team in each year. He comes free. You're just crying these tears of like come back to us case in any won't while entered like type get you signed it, you know, he's can opt out after two years, right? So, I mean, I'm not saying his going to do that but there are players already with that sort of you know, I want to make sure I keep all my options open and I don't want to make anything crazy but at this stage Jayson Tatum and the Celtics are you know, they're matched. They're they're going to be in a relationship long-term here. So it makes all the sense in the world for both sides to to do that. So but you're yeah, yep, no drama here. Unfortunately, we can't we can't I'm not trying to manufacture it either we're just going through the list and if it does get to that point we've seen players Flex that leverage years in advance of their free agency. So realistically if things went to hell, he could start making noise two years ahead of that five-year deal completing and maybe force his way out of here for that regard to that. So there's no down. At the signing that deal. Yep, he's not going to Toronto man Joe. Hey Louis team to go to either need to tell everybody at home. Of course a wonderful sponsor. Jimmie cash Shield a shield, right? They're everywhere. They're everywhere. So again for those not familiar at home. It's America's number one Auto protection Company Computer Systems in cars are the new normal from electronically controlled Transmissions to touch screen displays to dozens of sensors. My car. My car still has roll-up Windows it could cause if you got to fix something and now is not the time for expensive repairs carshield has affordable protection plan that can save you thousands a year covered repair including computers GPS electronics and more than a joke. 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Nothing here is real at all. Everyone just puts the pieces together. Well, he's from Indiana. Maybe he wants to go back. Yeah, his family's there. Oh, not only that but this is what they do. They they put they say trade a guy just cuz they want to get rid of them. They don't think about what's coming back. They don't think about where it's going to put the team. They just find the guy who and they the fans girl. Critics of them that they find someone that dissatisfied with and they just say freedom but it's like for who they throw Victor Oladipo out there and you don't even think Victor Oladipo is played 54 games and two years and you think hayward's injury-prone drives me crazy. Yeah hayward's bad luck injury-prone all the Depots got some problems that like you're wondering if that gets better off here, right? Yeah. He's he's risky we talked about Myles Turner. I think Myles Turner is a classic guy. If that were a deal the classic guy that you would hate like twenty games into the deal and be like, how long did not sign this guy for? Yeah. He's one of the like amount reincarnation. It's included you bring him here. You start figuring out where you want to trade them, you know, like oh, so this is why India was so eager to Thursday. Okay, we do shoot threes. I can see it now. Oh my God. Yeah, I would I would be I would be interested in a miles turn off. IPlayer young athletic big who can stretch the floor. I mean, we're just you know, these are things that the Celtics need so if he were to be available on a serious note what I what I you know, what if I'm I'm obviously picking up the phone and seeing you know, what type of a package they're they're looking for and yeah, Gordon Hayward is kind of like that play where people are like trade on but there is wasn't when we use talking about Jason system. He's a Cornerstone player. You're not getting an adjacent to him. You're probably not getting rid of Jaylen brown, right? So you start going down the line you have to do want to do want to I'm not going to say the word improve. But if they do want to switch it up and trying to prove right you look at guys like going hey when you look at guys like and I'm going to say it I'm going to say this. I don't want anyone's head to pop up. I'm going to say Marcus Marcus Smart. I'm going to say I don't want any Celtics fans to chop my head off Jimmy. I'm glad you say things because I want to make it clear that I don't think any of us as opposed to trading Gordon. I just think we're looking at I am I am a list. Are you I'm going to go ahead Bob. Car I'll hang up. And listen. This is I mean and you know, this is how Danny Ainge is going to look at it. He wants value or Surplus value for this guy if you're trading Hayward now integrating. What are you sure? Yeah, you either get pics and kick the can down the road as John said or you're essentially treating us as a salary dump. So you're getting a bad contract back or bad per se like that Oladipo thing makes sense. But I look at Home Depot and say you're getting a worst player back over. Hey ready? Let's not forget Hayward shot 50% from the field 38% from 3 85% from the free-throw and he was awesome last year. I agree. I'm I'm actually looks like this guy and he's got back back back right in the sense that I'm not looking to trade him either and like you said, he's going to be in the last year of his deal. So it's hard to like get value like that for his situation. He's coming off injuries and last year of his birth. Money like what are you expecting? You could keep what's wrong with keeping this guy? Right? No, I mean, he's very serviceable. I'm wondering what his role is going to be next year when we come up to bench know I'm starting lineup. I think you just reset it. I think you run it back. I mean, you know my smart willing to go back to the bench or do you think he's a starter if he's not then you trade him. So let's talk about that because Joe sway mentioned it. Okay right now just ways, right. The only thing you can do here is if you deemed this cast not good enough or incomplete in some way. You have very little flexibility to make an impact move unless you find a way to trade Hayward and get something that you think is an upgrade not trading in perspective trading if it's not a or smartphone, that's it. That's what you got. That's it and that's it. But it's really a couple of weeks from the year before two years before but not going to get much value there. That's all your heart this place. It's not Kemba. It's one of those two guys. That's it. I mean I've been talking, but I don't I don't think they're going to move one of the four core for because like you say, they didn't get the full lineup together all year long to get to work on the best side. I think there's a case that that best I've never going to work. They're just too small. They don't have a center like presence as part of it. So they educate your train smart try to get a bigger player in this place. Anyway of a contract the question again, though. Do you get a guy who's better than him defensively to even get a guy that's better than her pensively I gets I don't see them moving any of these core four guys and getting better like about the kicking the can down the road or getting rid of a piece is just like seem to indicate who might not want to play the role. He's going to be in next year and I don't think that's the case with a necessarily it could be. I don't know. We'll see. Nora speculative and we're not saying you're going to get somebody it's not that easy old age obviously wants to get better. But you know, you might get a guy that fits better. You might get a guy that fills a void or fills a role. Maybe you get a game player on top of that to even out the fact that he is on all defense team, you know what I mean, like or a pick or something like that. So I'm again. I'm not trying to trade Marcus Smart, but I'm just saying if you're Danny Ainge and you're looking for ways to improve, you know, you have to look at only you only have a couple of guys to choose from here. Yeah. I'm telling you guys in your guys's value writing those since you guys and I'm I'm not I'm reluctant into I'm reluctant on the idea of a trade-off. I think that's the one that's a that's a piece for the future. I don't think you sent yourself or a deal and that's why I think a lot of that noise that was you know, made over what happened throughout that serious. I think that dies over in the end during an offseason, but if you see an opportunity to trade Gordon Hayward right now, which I think is really really not it's just not going to happen. I mean, let's face it if that does happen. We're talking about the trade deadline maybe be able to sell yourself to age. Be the kind of player that we saw last season and the only way I'm even considering that is we're talking about one of those twenty-four twenty-five year old big guys who could come in and and really helped maybe not an All-Star but an everyday player the thoughts smart that I don't that I don't know is I I view him as one of those players that I think has greater value to you than he will to anyone else. The only the only the only thing you could possibly need for smart where someone may overpay or trade a higher level talent for him is is a team that wants to change culture and they might view him almost as like page again. I do these cross Sports references all the time, but like people love signing Patriots cuz they want to bring in a little bit of that winning culture and they're like if I bring in these guys, maybe they'll get all my Knuckleheads to play, you know, but is that wrong Marcus Smart? I mean is that really isn't a sense of time Patriot? Like I think our company's plays hard. He's talking about the computers, you know, they said to me a lot of birth. In place yet. Everyone talks about him as a heart and soul type player. Like how many how many how many coaches opposing coaches have we heard when we've been down at the Garden, you know covering games and they talk about Marcus Marcus the heart and soul of that team even yeah, they always say ask the players who they hate to go up against guys in the country kind of I agree. No, I agree with his style of play and that's contagious and they'll play nice loving and coaches seem to love him to opposing coaches. What I'm trying to say. Well I'm trying to say is in terms of like his I mean John you we we've talked about how he sometimes can take over again when not necessarily anybody really want him to I mean, we know he has a kind of a temper his his gift is kind of his curse at times. So I'm not sure if if a team looking to you know change the culture, I don't know if they if they see him I don't need smart is the leader that maybe a team would take a flyer on yet. I think he has those leadership qualities. I don't know, same again. I mean, this is Chad places out there like Sacramento that could probably We'll look to invest in a guy like that and they thought about it when he was a free agent. I think they'd be a market for him. I just don't think it's a greatest idea in the world trade him or any of the core Ford, but we go back to it. They're the only guys with a guy on the roster like maybe Daniel theis has some maybe Robert Williams has some but very minimal and their pics don't have any value. So if they want to make a trade you do at work for the little guys. All right. Well, I'm like always willing to listen Okay, so if anybody wants to overpay for anybody that's fine. It's just your Prattville GM and you come knocking on this other store. You're looking to Jalen or Jason or you're looking at nothing exactly. Right? And that's it getting those guys entree something above you're not you're not getting those guys you guys getting those guys that's dangerous. No one's giving you more value than you're getting from Hayward and they go to the Wizards and ask about Davis bertans the Wizards probably asking for ground and it's like seriously and that's what they run into every time. They go to the table Yeah, and right and now you don't have I don't think Marcus wants a problem. I don't think I think that I think a lot of doing things that it was, you know, again an offseason will kill all that down arrow to be wearing their Marcus Smart jerseys and their tee shirts and all that fun stuff when seasons change Smart's not the problem Brad is not the problem. But Brad here we go. John's partner for Crusade know it's Brad just has to rain Smart in that. The only problem is smart getting to do whatever comes to his brain at any point in time smart has value to you. He just has to stay in his Lane and if he does that when he's on the bench and he'll be back on the bench boss. He'll be back on Monday and he's a more responsible role in the bench and you wanted to be a little bit more assertive on the bench. You just don't want him jacking 23 Footers with you know, eight seconds into a shot clock when Tatum and brown and camber on the floor. It makes no sense.

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Giving Your Teen Freedom to Become an Adult (Part 2 of 2)

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Giving Your Teen Freedom to Become an Adult (Part 2 of 2)

"Hi, I'm Jim Daly with focus on the family. Did you know today is a global day of giving since two thousand twelve the giving Tuesday movement has encouraged people to support ministries, a nonprofit organizations like focus on the family and today only we have a goal of raising two hundred and fifty thousand dollars which will be matched dollar for dollar by friends of the ministry. That means your gift will be doubled to help us reach more hurting families give today by calling eight hundred a family. Now with freedom always comes responsibility. So by letting go of one thing, you also lead them to their own consequences of the things that they're doing my favorite. He's always the easy. One is music that you can give a teenager you. Now have the freedom. It's up to you to make your own decision about music. What you listen to this tree you and God. However, if your little sister is caught on your phone listening to some of that stuff, then you can lose your phone for that you need to make sure that's true of any adult. You have to be held responsible for your own behavior. Let's Dr Ken Wilga is describing how you can help your teen. Grow up and successfully make that important transition from childhood to adulthood, and he's back again today on focus on the family. I'm John Fuller. And that was Jim daily in the background focused president and author in aspiring bear well firing launching parent. Right. I mean boys are right there. Yeah. And so you have couple of kids at that. Same point. Don't you? I do. Yeah. It's gonna be good John calm down. You're gonna launch. Well, all right. Thank you. Hey, we had an excellent conversation last time with Ken about dealing with those teen years and all the unique challenges that go with the that period in your family's life. That's normal. And I think it's wonderful to start talking about this. I as a couple be talking about how we're going to launch successfully and have a plan. That's part of what we're talking about last time. And today there are so many rapid changes that teens experience physically emotionally, socially cognitively. Sometimes it seems like they transform overnight and sometimes from night to night, and those changes take some getting used to his parents, and we're going to discuss that today. And in the middle of all of that is your teens. Incredible drive for more independence and freedom. Which is probably freaking you out as a parent, right? But we want to put some tools in your hands to be thoughtful about it be. I think in connection with God on this on the direction, you're going and the way you need to go. Dr Wilga is an expert in adolescent behavior. I didn't know there was such a thing in this world expert and Adaleta v eight year, do they really exist? And we have again started a great conversation. Well, thanks for joining us for this episode of focus on the family and check out the show notes. To learn more about our guest and his book feeding them out that bites you a complete guide to parenting adolescence and launching them into the world. Ken, welcome back. Thanks, okay. Serious. You're an expert analysis. You can actually attain expert hood in daily interesting. Interesting. That's the position of envy for all. Parents and really understand how these young people think I actually tried to get away from the lessons when I started. But there was just a logic to it that I couldn't ignore. Let me ask you that often. I think why did my dentist want to become a dentist? Why did you want to do this? Well, I was trying to work with adults. But when you're a male in psychology training like in Chicago worked at Michael Reese medical center, and if they had they had an intensive adolescent unit, and man, you gotta have a guy in that unit because it can be intense. So I ended up getting thrown in there. This is how the Lord works complaining that. Oh, no. That's not what I want to do. But I remember sitting in group with parents that would you know, be essentially a patronizing they're teenagers in talking to them. And I could just tell that this was really hard on that teenagers. So it turned out. I had an ear for it. Essentially, never really quite grew up from my own since I suppose, so. Coming off of what we talked about last time. And we've said it already two or three times if you missed it get it because the content was so good. If you're looking at one silver bullet, I know this is a very unfair question. But for the parent that has been as you described last time that typical Christian parent varying gauged, very parental maybe up until sixteen seventeen eighteen years old where decisions were really with you. And not with that growing. Adolescent. What is something I could do to reverse course to say, okay? I have blown it. What I heard today on focus on the family really challenges me because I've been so over engaged so decision oriented for my seventeen year old. What can I do? Okay. That is an unfair question. But I do think that that's again, it starts with our faith knowing debt. We don't blow stuff. Jesus is never going. No. This is too much of a mess for me now. So I think starting with that kind of conversation, but it is a conversation with your teenager. And I would think the conversation needs to be about your own. Fear as a parent you what you had tried to do. But really taking responsibility for the possibility that what we've communicated to you as our son or daughter that we might have ended up communicating that we don't respect your own ability to do stuff. And if we've done that we really wanted to let you know, we're sorry about that. Make sure you let them know that you've prayed about this. And that's why you feel the freedom to tell them that. Because again teenagers are all eyes and ears, and they can tell that what we teach about our faith, whether it really impacts behavior or not and nothing teaches teenagers that the Christian faith is not real quite like a parent that is freaking out over everything that they do is it ever too late for the restart button. I mean, if they're twenty three twenty four no, I don't think so I think again, if you count the restart button, as let's talk about what I may have signal to you as disrespect because you can definitely I know adults that are fifties in with their own adult, parents that are still trying to teach and control and manage and that can be tense. So there's it's never. Late for that. Kind of the interesting thing is healing. That relationship is what God would want labs London. Mentally, whether your child is thirty or forty if you haven't had that healing in that relationship that is what the Lord's after that good communication. We did talk about emancipation how to emancipate your teen. We got into that, right? At the end of the program last time. Let's pick it up there. You introduced us to that concept of planned emancipation you described it as a strategy where parents can help their teenagers right around starting at age thirteen or so to make the transition from childhood to adulthood for those who missed the conversation. Give us that quick summary of planned demands a patient, how it works plan events of patient is getting ahead of the adolescence primary need you need to know win. And how you're going to rive as an adult, and here's the answer to that. And it is a parents basically roadmap from wherever you start to the end, which for the vast majority of parents, the end is the end of high school pretty much you need to be prepared for them to pretty much be making their own decisions by the time they finished high school, but the step to do that as I suggest you make a freedoms list, which is actually on a sheet of paper left hand side. Is a list of freedoms that say we think you should use your own judgment in the following areas. And there's a on the left side of the paper should be freedoms. Like in our house at thirteen. You got the freedom to listen to whatever music, you felt you needed to you could keep your own room as cleaner dirty as you see fit that always freaks mothers out, I've gotten literally photos of do you mean, this is it so? Well, it so if they choose to have it dirty is that. Okay. Well, again, it comes down to with freedom always comes responsibility and responsibility means in here's the washer. Here's the dryer. You don't want us wandering in taking care of your clothes for you. And then otherwise, you handed like you would an apartment like there's a smell coming out of your room. You're going to do something about that and pay for that. And if there's food in your room, you can have that as long as you can afford an exterminator. But if you can't we're gonna find you for an so basically different I like this. Good question money and twenty bucks with freedom that may be high. I don't know depends on you wanted to I did have a couple whose son makes quite a bit of money, and they're charging ten bucks for copper glass. So depends on your cover everything left in the. Here's me get all excited about the restrictive bar. Just thinking how many dirty dishes around the house? Well, there's a big difference between saying that your freedom. We want you to freedom versus your freedom shouldn't mess with us. It should not cause us a problem. Yeah. I might be able to make two hundred bucks tonight. What's the balance? There Ken between your freedom as a teen, and my home, and your responsibility in that. Well, most teenagers understand that. For example, the difference between saying you can't keep your room this way because cleanliness is next to godliness. They're tired of hearing that besides I've looked it up in the dictionary and goggles is next to godliness since not actually cleanliness. But Secondly to say, but listen, you're we don't want to mess with you. But this or that thing in your room is causing us problems. Like the bugs perhaps all that most teenagers get that. And they're much more willing to cooperate or at least understand that. But that doesn't mean they'll always do it. And then you get to the next part, which is setting expectations and restrictions, and parents really should not have hesitation in pulling the strings they need to to expect the minimum respect that you need to give us which in. This case is a fine. If you refuse to, you know, follow the real about food, and you're. Room things like that. So that's all laid out. So it's understood it's all of these concepts in your book feeding the mouth bites you you lay these out so well, let me go a little deeper philosophically because you talk about the importance that parents need to understand this idea to trade control for influence. Yes. Okay. That's a panic button for many parents, you know, control as the tool I have dots right in right? But you want me to give that up for influence, which is not concrete. It's only something I suggest again as a matter of recognizing that from thirteen to the end of highschool. You are having whether you want to or not you are having less and less control. And it's a matter of recognizing it. It's really embarrassing to sit in an office with a teenager in their parent who proudly announces that will in our house. You know, we keep track. We know what she's doing where she's going. She looks at me. And I look at her because just last week she, and I talked about a number of things their parents don't know about. So they just look silly to pretend like I have an kind of control that I really. We don't have. So it's really not giving up as much as you think to acknowledge that freedom for what is again. So commonly not there, which is real influence. Yeah. A relational communication influence. That says listen, I'm I'm not here to tell you how to keep your room anymore. But can I just ask you this is really depressing in here, which is almost a conversation. I had with my son one time who asked me twice. This is Mr. ADD boy who really living in regular life. We do you hard launches in our family. But my son and his wife and two kids. You know, there was some points where his room got pretty bad and twice. He asked me. Could you come help me clean my room? So I was like sure now in all fairness it lasted about fifteen minutes. He got to a shame with my questions of how long have you had this out here is like never mind never mind. So we stop. But you know, he had much more ability to talk to me about that. Then he would have we had done that h- usual yelling thing that goes on for years just to try to get a clean room. And then if you visit any freshman dorm in this country, you'll see that you know, it's not exactly working right now. But the irony is we keep coming back to the same methodology, exactly. Which is the most common problem of parents using childhood parenting techniques with teenagers, and it just doesn't work this concept of not knowing what your kids are really all about or not really being able to control their decisions. I mean that comes home at about fifteen sixteen seventeen and we've even had that discussion with one of our boys, you know, who. Really was honest. And just said, you know, mom and dad, you can't in the end, I will decide these things, and that's a good thing. It's a good thing. He felt comfortable saying, correct. You're not always comfortable with the decisions though. And that really is the crux of the issue, right, especially if those things aren't lining up to spiritual truths that you want kids to bide by akin in your book, you mention the need for teenagers to feel grownup. But it's a desperate need is the word you used actually I don't think parents connect with this. What is this desperate need to feel grownup? And then how does that express itself in unhealthy ways? And then in healthy ways. That's a good question because the primary need of teenagers is what we call individuation, which is essentially to the people that I know see that I'm grown up. Are they am I going to arrive at adulthood, and if they're not getting it in healthy ways from the parents, then it's very common for teenagers to seek it an unhealthy ways, for example, one of the most common answers to the question of teenagers. Why do you drink alcohol? Is to feel grownup is part of that. So teenage will go and do the thing that seems grownup as if pouring alcohol down your throat makes you somehow an adult, but it at least has that feel to it. Because again, in some cases, overprotected teenagers feel like I need some way to feel that adult nece, and what we want to provide as parents is that ability that you can grow up here in our house. You don't have to just get away. And that takes fortitude and thinking that through in terms of the paces, I'm reminded of so often, you talk about the pastures kids, the pastor's daughter, the pastor's, son. They oftentimes can be those kids that are doing those destructive behaviors disproportionately truth who others explain why. And I think this fits in with this area of identity. I think you're 'cause they're seeing their kind of in this fishbowl fishbowl, and I've talked with a lot of pastors kids about that very thing that it's extra difficult for a pastor. Because of what can be seen as the expectations of everyone else that. They expect this pasture child. No matter what the age to be sort of goody goody, essentially. And there's nothing wrong with choosing moral good behavior unless that seems to advertise that I can't think things through and I'm really about a six year old even though I'm seventeen or whatever. So it's critical that they be given the kind of messages, particularly from their parents that despite what you may think other people are looking at in the church, we want you to own more and more of your own life, and it can be hard. A lot of times you have to push back against against since. It's a cultural confusion, you can hear really, well, meaning people say, well, but shouldn't. Yeah. If they're not ready after that senior year, maybe you should keep them home for you is if you can keep them home for or if that's going to be some good for them. So yet to push back even against well-meaning people giving you advice when I think that's the underlying issue here, and you've hit it. Well, and feeding them out that bite. You is that relinquishing of your fear. In your control. It seems counter intuitive. You wanna protect you want? They're not ready yet. You know, just like the opening thirty five and still at home, and some parents I'm afraid to say might find that comforting to them. So we're actually using that relationship to sue their own fears, and I want to be real clear. I mean fear is part of the air that I live in breathe. I mean, it's hard. I don't expect parents to not be fearful, but what I heart is that it can be sometimes lifted up as almost a virtue that apparent that is letting go is the one that really doesn't care as much or or isn't informed. If you knew what I knew about the suicide rate, you wouldn't allow these whatever that so fear masquerades as authority as some more passionate. And that's the part that I think has to be you say that teens want freedom. But they also want their parents to give them that freedom. That's right. Why is that distinction? So important. I'll always remember we. Adolescent day hospital. There was a an we're having a group therapy of teenagers, which you can imagine is filled with a lot of my parents, don't get what they don't let me, you know, there was this one really depressed girl thinks she was about fifteen and she finally looked up. And she said, you know, I have everything you guys wish for I wish someone would ask if I'm coming in at night, but her family pretty much exploded. There was not. So she desires she had the freedom. But she did not have the message from someone who cared. It's time for you to have this freedom, and it's really important because parents will say, hey, we w we do find until we say, no, he just wants us to leave him alone. That's not exactly true. What she wants to hear is. Why are you still telling me what movie to go to? Why are you still in telling me when to come in what? Parties to go to all those things they want to hear from the parent. Hey, it's now time you're thirty seven. It's time. You know, whatever the point that you can really give that real answer that it's time for you to make that decision yourself talk about communication challenges with your teen's. This seems to be the one in our household. I don't know if you've struggled with this, John. It's like, hey, do you have a great day at school? Yeah. Hey, what do you want for dinner anything which can happen overnight? It's like I thought we were talking just last week. And now it used to be QNA all the time. Hey, look at that dog dad in that cute dog. I'd like a dog like that dad. Can I take dot com that was years ago? Talk. Yeah. Okay. Those are the times happening control battle. You have a young Adum who feels like instead of your questions being good natured. You're a cop asking how was your day? Let me just check and see if there's anything I need to intervene that soda check in. And so unless you make that really clear like, why am I asking this? What are my purposes which is really about planets patients stepping back and saying listen at your age, you don't really have to talk to me about these things. I miss talking together. And I'd like to know, but you don't have to answer all these things if you don't want to can vary often pretty quickly opened up a lot more communication. So you're saying to in the book that teenagers really want to communicate. It doesn't feel that way for a parent. So offense, really true. And if it being a psychologist is a rare opportunity to get to talk to teenagers when you really be open, and it's not unusual for parents to assume that their teenager does not want to. They really do if they can trust what they say to their parents. And that's the key question. How do you create that bedrock a trust that it's not going to be the lecture? It's not going to be the ticket from the policemen. It's going to be a conversation. And then how what kind of triggers do you use as a parent not to fall into that trap of the lecture? Well, I think that's a hard task. I think it starts by really recognizing. You have young adult. It's really recognizing that they are thinking for themselves. And sometimes it means taking ownership of what you've done before. And recognizing that listen I'm sorry yesterday. I blew up again just because you said that you didn't do on a test. I'm really trying to back off from that. That's not about you. That's about me taking ownership of that. And then pursuing forward with really what the teenager really is wanting to talk about and really listening to what are the things that are important to your teenager and trying to process that with them. And so taking ownership is important, but also respecting and recognizing the stage of development that your teenager is in you know, one thing that people need to walk away with is. Is this idea to agree to disagree especially for teenagers with their parents? Because again, parents especially Christian parents, we want this alignment, we really value alignment are how we even have rules are household beliefs. So if you don't believe that rule, you're not part of the household. That's what we communicate. And why do we need to develop that ability to agree to disagree, especially as apparent with teenager and vice versa because families that are really close especially had the hardest time with this. Because in the past. We've had as you mentioned kind of group think we're all sort of. It's great that we all kind of like the same things we're about the same things, and we're used to being able to talk to this one child or more that doesn't seem to quite get. It we explain and then they're back in line by the time, they become an adolescent. Nothing's bad has happened. But they changed formal operational. Thought is actually a real thing in cognitive development where teenagers can and need to think for themselves and. The goal of learning to agree to disagree is critical and being able to really process through where you differ where we differ in. So that you can avoid what is very often some pretty severe arguments that simply start with the goal of white. Honey, I don't think you understand let me repeat this thing. Again, let me show you an article let me just this. And the next thing, you know, you're a normal parent, and you are screaming or almost literally getting physical because you're scared to death that I can't seem to get this point across like we always used to. And it's simply matter of learning that it's okay, we need to agree to disagree. You and your son had a good example of this. What happened with your cell? It was actually the point that I really knew he was a teenager. And this is what's so rough. It, you know, it's hard on my my children have worked out. Well, they're good kids. But I'll be honest. They were not bad kids to start with. They were not that hard. But my son was thirteen and he went to mow the lawn and he came in done, and I said, well, no, there's this other part back there that I told you you need to do also. He said, no, you didn't tell me that. I said, yeah, I did. And so he he's decent Katie walked out. But instead of going to get on the more I looked out the window, and he is pacing and talking to himself, and he comes back any never done this before he's a dead. You did not tell me to do that we agreed upon. And I remember suddenly realizing that I can't talk him into stuff. Like I used to this is the weird part. And I realized that I said we're just going to have to agree to disagree. And this is what's so weird about being shrink? I started to choke up because I got tearful because I knew this is my adolescent, he's my oldest. So now, we're in analyst and stage. Well, you can imagine my kid is going UK dad on. On just. Great for my poor kids. But it was a real moment of recognition that, you know, his thinking had changed, and he really could think for himself, and he fully his experience was way different from mine. And I needed to accept that. Even though the end of the stories, I did say, look, I think I told you and if you don't they'll be this consequence for it. So didn't work out great for him. But we didn't get into a big argument either. Yeah. It can I'm thinking of the parent that has the twenty four twenty five year old and in that case they did over manage. It didn't go. Well, it kind of that. Josh McDowell statement, you know rules without relationship even billion, and that's been the story in this hypothetical case when I'm painting, how does a parent reach back to that adult child. Now and say, hey, we've got some things we gotta talk about what can they do that? Makes it real makes it then official doesn't turn into another lecture opportunity. That's a. Great question. And this may surprise you. But if reaching out to that twenty four year old means walking down to your own basement and getting them out of there because that's where they are. Then there's the first step that needs to be taken. Anyway, which is need to set a point where you're going to let them know. This is it you're gonna be out of here, not immediately. But you need to set a point where you let them know it's respectful to let young adult know that you're not welcome to live here know without limits. But outside of that, then I think the other part is to address that you know, and we're worried that we have given you the wrong message that what we've tried to be loving and caring. But I think we've communicated that we don't respect your ability to make your own decisions about things and really take ownership of that. It's not an overnight decision. That's not an after school special where they start weeping. And we ended up hugging. But it is a starting point that I think is important to let them know that we are now going to stop just thinking about giving you sort of a loving kindness. We're going to give you respect. And that brings this today conversation with Dr Ken Wilga to a close for this focus on the family. He was addressing some really important principles that are found in his book. Feeding the mouth that bites. You a complete guide to parenting, adolescents and launching them into the world. At one reason why this topic is so important is because we sometimes hear from families who are struggling with this transition from childhood to adulthood, and I think many families do we do we have to teenagers were right in that space right now where we're trying to launch Trenton Troy for some parents. It's hard to let go and let your kids make their own decisions maybe decisions that you don't always agree with, and that's especially hard. If your adult child turns away from the faith and young adults struggle to they're trying to figure out what life's all about and may have some financial burdens student loans, all this kinds of things or maybe other reasons why. They may need to stay with mom and dad for a little while until they can get out on their own those issues can lead to some serious tensions between you and your children. And if that's a challenge for your family, and you've got any other issues you'd like to discuss with us. I hope you'll contact us here at focus on the family. We have lots of resources for you. Whether you're going through crisis or simply needs some practical tools to get through the day. One of those resources is our counseling team. Call us or go online to set up an appointment with one of our Christian counselors who will listen to your story. Pray with you and point you in the direction of help don't hesitate. Don't delay. Contact us today. Check out our show notes to learn how to reach our counseling team or order other resources like Dr Wilkinson's great book. Feeding the mouth that bites. You we'll send a complimentary copy of that book when you make a generous donation of any amount today to the ministry of focus on the family. Donate and help us reach others. And please give us a review on I tunes or wherever you access this content. Coming up next time. We'll hear from a couple whose relationship seemed doomed. I realized I was in a battle. We were in a battle to save disabled marriage. That's next time on focus on the family. And remember when you get in touch, let us know how you're listening on our website through our mobile app or on our podcast feed. I'm John Fuller and on behalf of gym daily and the entire team. Join us next time as we help you and your family thrive.

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The Beautiful Struggle to Forgive

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The Beautiful Struggle to Forgive

"Watch your favorite focus on the family broadcasts on Youtube. Subscribe to our Channel at focus on the family dot com slash youtube and get your daily dose of family. Strengthening encouragement subscribe and watched today at focus on the family dot com slash youtube. Just told him verbally told him that. Julie I forgive. Forgive you and I'm sorry for what you're going through now. Two things happened. There wasn't an immediate forgiveness. It's all done. I exuded the forgive process process but I realized at that moment that the forgiveness wasn't for my dad even though I had to tell him it was for me. That's it's Jason Romano Talking About Forgetting His Alcoholic Dad and you'll hear more of his story today on focus on the family. Your host is focused president and author Jim Daly Ellie and I'm John Fuller. Okay John. I have a challenge for the listeners. Today think of that person who has hurt you deeply. I mean to the point where maybe you even haven't forgiven them yet. might be a parent a sibling. A friend former spouse maybe a work colleague. Now ask yourself this. Have I truly extended forgiveness. Because that's on your side of the equation. Has Nothing really to do with them. The one who offended you forgiveness is complex and we get that. It doesn't excuse Abusir a harmful behavior of course but forgiving. Someone does mean that you'll let go of bitterness and leave revenge I would say judgment up to God Someone once said forgiveness is surrendering my right to hurt you for hurting me and I think that's a powerful way to sum it up John for us as Christians Showing mercy to those who have harmed us can be one of the most beautiful ways to display. God's amazing grace to hurting world. That's the testimony of us as believers levers and our guest. Today is a wonderful example of just that I would agree. Jim And as I said Jason Romano is our guest. He's an Emmy Award winning a sports journalist a former ESPN producer husband and dad and has a book that we are offering today. Live to forgive moving forward when windows. We love hurt us. We've got copies of that at the website. You can look for details in the episode notes. Jason Welcome to focus on the family guys. It's great to be here. Thanks so much for having. Yeah well I WANNA say good job and being a wonderful husband and father but then I wanna talk to you about being a sports journalist to most of the order. I appreciate the way I need to thank you so it's pretty fun to work at. ESPN yeah only cow. It was a dream job. It really was in many ways and I got to work there for almost seventeen years. I did production mostly behind the scenes but got to spend time with some of my heroes got to meet and become friends with some of my heroes that I grew up with the person who the forward to the book is. Is Darrell Strawberry. Who is my sports hero? He's been on the broadcast. He's a great guy and he was my hero jerseys and kept his stats and Hasselbald. I just baseball cards and suddenly I'm spending a day with him. ESPN so yeah. It was an amazing amazing opportunity. Let me ask you this off the wall questions. I mean when it comes to us as believers and and we are in a sports saturated environment. I love sports too. I played in high school playing baseball football basketball. How do we as believers? How do we peel back a little bit? So so it doesn't become an idol. You know it's so hard. I think this is so hard and you're talking to a guy who sports was my God for so many years. Even after I I became a Christian I became a Christian at twenty six twenty seven. I had to Kinda learn in a slow way. That sports really isn't that important to the grand scheme of life but you know. Sports is such connection Jason especially between fathers and sons and this was really your story and it was hard for you. You had a pretty positive view of your dad until one night. I think you're at a football game or a baseball game What happened? And I'm telling Ellen Yeah I so relate to your story because I think we had the same father but he hit it it's probably Fortunately common with a lot of people who are listening my dad. You Know My earliest memories of my dad. My parents got divorced when I was six. So I really didn't have a a ton of memories of mom and dad being in the same house. I haven't really no memories of that so it was always kind of like spend the weekend with dad and spend the week during the week with Mom but my Dad Love Sport Love Sports and loves sports and I mean he just I. That's all we still talk about to this day. And so my memories of him are pretty much all revolved around sports. Good and unfortunately bad and and I write about adverse chapter in the book. I take you to Nineteen eighty-four and it's my first time ever going to an NFL game. It's the eagles and the giants. My Dad is a good one die. I hard giants Fan. And we all get in the car me and my two brothers and my dad and my step mom patty and we'd take the drive from Albany New York down down to Philadelphia and when you go to a game. I remember arriving and seeing this stadium and walking in and just seeing this giant one hundred hundred yard football field and thinking. Oh my Gosh I'm here. This is amazing A ten year old kid. That's just the greatest thing ever right. Eleven year old kid and as quickly clea as excited as I was to the game of star and so just really be laid with joy at turned sour really quickly because my dad who had been and drinking at that time and he was still on his early to mid thirties He's getting his drink San and getting his beer anymore sitting in the seven hundred level with these Rabbit Eagles fans and he's a giants fan and probably halfway through the game. I just remember my dad suddenly getting into this verbal sparring and lots of bad words words being said and I thought this is not right so I'm confused here what's happening. Why is this happening and my dad was unfortunately really intoxicated and then we had to drive home and it was the scariest four or five hour drive? I've ever remember as he did because he was drunk. He was drunk. Jason One thing. I caught in the book that really Captured my attention because a little boy. You Stop Calling Your Dad Dad and started referring to him as Joe his first name but it's connected to this disappointment appointment explain. Why did that? In what protection was it providing little Jason. Yeah it was weird because there were times what I call on Dad and there were times when I call him Joe and I figured looking back. It's funny you remember things as you start to write a book and all these memories come back Aquino things. I hadn't thought about dryers and I was working with my co author Steve Copeland and we were talking and working through it. And I'm like I think I called him Joe More than I call him dad growing up and then we're starting to expand on it and I realized a lot of the Times that I was calling him. Joe Is the Times that he had been drunk or hung the things that would embarrass me. And I'm like that's not my dad. That's just that's Joe. It's not my dad. My Dad is the guy who sober and supportive and loving which I didn't get a lot of and so I found myself calling him Joe a lot more than now I just resonated with that again having similar father. I never did that but I could understand the relief of doing that. This is not the guy I love. It wasn't because especially being so young. You're confused it wasn't till I was in my teenage years till I really started to see this man. I had a problem. Something really was wrong and off when I was eleven ten and younger it was more confusing than it. Was this normal. Everybody does my mind's not able to process that on a mature level teenagers. But you know I even took that with me. As I'm writing the book there were moments where I call him. Dad Even into my thirties and early forties. He's and there were moments when I write about him as Joe even writing the book so it was still Kinda resonating connected with that now. Forty five years old. Where was God in this picture for you? I mean I mean obviously I don't think your dad maybe your stepmom or your mom had real commitments of faith but did you sense. Did you have a kind of a child like belief that there must began a god or i. I grew up in a Catholic household but to be quite honest with you. I'd never heard or understood. Salvation Jesus faith the Cross grace. None of that. I really had no religious anything in my life. GROWNUP evolve for you then that that knowledge that awareness Nisus not until I was twenty six years old. It was my brother. Chris My middle brother. Who is the first family to be saved into beginning true relationship with Jesus Christ but after a few years in watching him live out this faith truly live it out not just everyday hammer it home? I'm to me but watching how he loved his wife how he loved his newborn child how he loved his family. It was different and it was attractive and it wasn't until two thousand one mother's Day One. He introduced me to Christ. And that's how the journey began. Yeah you have a story and this is really again. It caught my attention. You have a story where your feelings feelings of hatred so maybe it started with embarrassment. I mean I can relate again being embarrassed with your dad at that literally game which bears wrong and slurring and talking to the trump and he I know is thinking he's helping you while you're at bat but you WanNa just crawl into a hole because you're so embarrassed absolutely but then you talk about about a day that you can remember that embarrassment turned into hatred for your father described that hatred is is such a you know I think of the word hate now Alan I and I I hate the word. Hate is just such a hard thing to think about. But it's real it's very real and as my dad got older. And there's a lot of moments where I discovered hatred for my father if you want to call it that You know him calling me in college in asking me for money to college when I was in college. Remember I don't have money. I'm in college. No College student has money. And he's calling me and saying hey I'm behind on this or that and I need to borrow are a few dollars and completely wasted. When he's calling and then he calls and sort of the first time I ever heard him say that he wanted to end his life? When I was in college and I was so angry and bitter at him and at twenty years old not empathetic and wanting to help him? I was just stopped at him so mad. I can't I hate my dad but then a moment comes when I'm in my twenty four twenty five year old stage when he calls up and this is how bad it got for my dad and he's he's drunk and he calls me and he tells me that his wife Patti had had died in a fire. And we'd love Patty. She was step mom and so close. We hadn't seen her in a few years and so we're all very sad and he's crying thing in two or three days later. Maybe a week later he calls and he tells me he made up the whole story. Oh my goodness he made up the whole story and I said why would you do that. And he said listen I I don't know I saw him so sorry. It was just shows you the fact that he was so in such a bad place at this point this is one thousand nine hundred ninety seven or eight that he had to lie to try and get people to feel sorry for him and then he had to come and tell us what happened that he was lying about this whole thing and that it was a moment when I come up the phone I said to my wife I said I can't believe this guy really hate him. How can he lie about the death of his second wife and there were more stories like this unfortunately but it was a a pure hatred for this guy that I had to work through myself and this is pre Christ for me so I had to figure out what that meant to innocence hate? My Dad. Jason You have really set the table and I think the listeners fully grasp that emotion inside of view that hatred that had developed for your dad and some are connecting with you saying yeah. That was my dad to whatever their situation that that overwhelming sensitive I just wish this person was not in my life because it's so destructive. Yeah but then you begin to turn the corner you start to is in in your book you say you started to feel which was the first step to forgiveness? Help the person that hasn't put those two together. What would it mean to help? Help begin to feel I think at that point You know I call it feeling. The pain is what we're trying to do. acknowledging that there's pain you you know a lot of us when we're angry at some when we try to just suppress it or Put a big wall in front of an pretend. It's not there and for me. That's what I did for many years. I mean I I talk about when I went away to college. I looked at that sort of a boundary for me to get away from my dad. You know get away from all the garbage and crap that I was you know living through having him be close to me and around me in my life. When I started to feel the pain I think it was probably around the time when I had gotten back from college and I just met my now wife dawn and I'm having somebody to talk to and I also went and got some counseling early on? I didn't go through counselling as I got older. My counseling. Yeah I guess was was with the Lord and with you know my pastor and people like that but I went to a counselor before I became a Christian. I remember just bawling my eyes out in thinking. Why am I crying right now over this? Yeah I shouldn't be this man. I can't stand this guy. Why am I crying? And it's because I knew that I still cared about him five. There's grief it was almost like a person who would cry when somebody passes it was grief and it allowed me to begin the process of feeling and understanding thing that okay I have pain. It's not it doesn't feel good but it's there let's acknowledge it and not try to like push it away and ignore it because so many of us do that and and for me. That was really the first step in moving forward when I realized it eventually I had to come to a place to forgive him. Yeah and you mentioned Chinda Meeting Dawn. What amazing stabiliser? A spouse can't be that other perspective and you know I'm a big believer in Christian in relationship. That your spouse complete shoe. Yeah so you're blind spots. They often will be able to see things differently from how you see them. Oh she didn't and and be able to bring some reality right so true and my my wife You know we got married. We weren't neither of us were Christians got married in the Catholic Church but again didn't really have a faith or care about religion or God or anything like that but we had each other and even our motto at our wedding was to become one and so we we didn't even realize is when we were getting married that we were sort of living out the marriage and of Biblical sense the idea of to becoming one person which is which is right from the Bible but having that I am coup came from a very strong mom and dad together still together to this day relationship married over fifty years and have been together and and not knowing what it was like to be around such broken in that realm and so she comes into my life and I write about this in the book that I was almost scared to bring her into my crazy family. You know darasing ago my goodness they'll look over here don. Yeah don't worry about that. I just you and me. Don't worry about my crazy. Yeah Dad and all the guards going on and I remember the moment when she first saw the effect that my dad had my life and it was right before we were getting married and inviting my dad to my wedding. He had missed all of those big moments in my life. When I graduated from High School graduated from College? He missed him oh he was. He was in Rehab or Hawas Awas binge mode or whatever and just not doing well and he missed all of those what. I call pillar moments in a young person's life so I had no father to attend these things and celebrate with me and so at my wedding. I really wanted to have him there. It's like listen. He's missed everything else. Let's bring my dad to our wedding. My wife was great. She's like whatever you think is best you know. Oh Your Dad I'm all for we invite my dad and then like five days before week before I get a call and he's wasted drunk and I found out that he had been on a binge for five or or six days of drinking and I had to Uninvite my dad to the wedding. Say One thing you was hoping he could be there and my wife again was so great on supporting but I knew that this is her day. Even though it's our day this is her day said to be the perfect day November of nineteen ninety nine and so we uninvited. My Dad ad in dawn was greatly great and supportive but there was a void there. Yeah everything is a perfect day is one of my favorite days in my life but there was a void. Yeah let's talk about the twelve steps of forgiveness that you really go after in the book and we only have time to cover a couple of them but let's hit a couple that that really are important and then folks you need to get a copy of the book and we'll post those if we can't we'll post the twelve at the website so people can see that but What what are some of those important things in that twelve steps of forgiveness which so many steps I break the book down into feeling the pain evaluating trauma Alma transforming the wound and living to forgive. And I think it's the transforming. The wound was not necessarily in part of the twelve steps. If you will that that but I think that's a big one because when we get a hold of coup got it and understanding forgiveness that we ask for every single day right we come to God and we say Lord forgive me for the things. I've said that the things I've done things I've thought and then we turnaround in exude forgiveness to others literally putting a hand to God and saying I got this. I don't need you. I think that was exactly his point with the woman caught caught in adultery. Right yes that was the xactly point hand to the face and so I think one of those steps if you want to call it a step is to understand what God's odds forgiveness is about he exudes it to us for free. All we gotTA DO is ask. It's undeserving do nothing to earn it and it's there every day over everything that we've ever done that he forgives us. And so it's like the old prayer. I learned when I was in a Catholic boy. You know the our father The Lord's prayer forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. It's literally Jesus words telling us. This is what we need to do every we day. It's not easy because that pain is real and we've been hurt but the step the process the the move of understanding God in His forgiveness is about and then trying to do that to others looking at people with an empathetic heart looking at people in different ways not through our lens but through Gods Lens I think that's one of the big steps to go forth with is just understanding forgiveness aspect of Christ is in this kind of ties into the whole thing. How how you did that with your father? Yeah which is the right place to land. How did that happen for you with your dad? It was a process as I like to. I tell people forgiveness continues to be a process even after you sort of start that process but my dad was in a really bad place about six years ago or so so his alcoholism and drinking continued but he was compounding that with depression and he had a lot of mental illness things. What's going on in his life at that time and when you put alcohol and mental illness or depression together it's a recipe for disaster ways right and so my dad is really in a bad state in the middle of two thousand thirteen and I get a call one day in June of two thousand thirteen from a nurse at a hospital in Albany? New York. ORC telling me that my dad had tried to end his life that he got to the point where he just didn't WanNa live anymore and he took a bunch of pills and and try to end it but I guess he got really scared because he immediately called nine one one after he took those pills and the ambulance came took him to the hospital in and saved him. But I get this call from this nurse and just to give you an idea. This is only six years ago. How bitter I still was about my dad when I got the call from the nurse that He was in the hospital. For this reason. There was no empathy on my part. Yeah I just said really. I'm so sorry to hear that And she's like well. If you WANNA come and visit you know you can't. I said no I said thank you very much. I think I'm okay. That's a wounded person. Oh my gosh I was so I was so I was wounded and I had no empathy for this. I had no sorrow. I had no to be honest. I had no love in that way. but over a week's period and I remember going to a small group. Pastor was leading at Pastor Joe and I said to him ironically the same name as my dad and I said I I said I'm not really knowing what to feel right now and honestly before this I had pleaded and asked and told a lot of people about my dad's situation and asking for for prayer but I couldn't. It's like I always thought God can forgive you to Joe but I can't right you know that's how I looked at it in over the process of about a week I started talking to my pastor and he just said you need to read what Jesus talks about with forgiveness and how it doesn't matter what that person's persons done it's about it's about you and you got a lot of wounds right now and literally a week later I get on the phone with my dad and I talked to him at the hospital and he's broken in empty and lifeless in just sounds horrible. Unlike any time I've ever talked to him in the past and he's telling me at that point he still doesn't. I WANNA live. I don't even know what I'm doing here and I remember just at that moment. My heart opened and I had empathy for the first time in my life for this man and I just told him verbally told him that. Julie I forgive you and I'm sorry for what you're going through now. Two things happen. There wasn't an immediate idiot forgiveness it's all done exuded the forgiveness process. It was process but I realized at that moment that the forgiveness wasn't for my dad even though I had to tell him it was for me I was the one that was stuck in bondage. I was the one that had these sort of change on me. Keeping me down in the clear evidence of that was when I got the call the he was in the hospital. I had no no feeling at all. Yeah there was. I wasn't I wasn't going to jump in the car and go visit my dad and help him love him. Be there for him like most people would like my wife calls me right now and says you know if somebody calls me and tells wasted in the hospital for whatever reason jumping into car right away but that's a terribly wounded person. That which I did with my dad as well. It's like totally get it. It's hard but I finally to the point where I told him that and then it began the process S. of forgiveness understanding Jesus and understanding that if I'm going to call myself a Christian here and walk around and put this on social media media and eventually like write books and things like that then I need to be able to forget. I can't hold grudges. Yeah I can't and this includes the most hurt wounds that I've ever experienced with my dad. I cannot hold a grudge there and so it was a process but at the point where I finally came to forgiving him. You know it was in six months a year before really started to see you know situation with my dad starts come back and focus now the irony of this whole story. Is that from that day that my dad went into the hospital. He hasn't had a drink since. That's that's incredible six and a half years now and his sober and it's it's clear miracle from God now my my dad does not have the sort of relationship that I would hope that he would have with with. Jesus I think he believes in God but he's very still struggles with that world a little bit. Pray for him we do. I tell people if you WANNA do anything for my dad. He sober now but he still needs to prayer prayer because he's not ready to fully some of his life to the Lord but he cannot deny that there is a miracle has taken place Jason. That's one of the sensitive things I want to mention here and highlight for the listener. Who may not have a deep or even a relationship with Jesus? This is exactly the profound nature of God and his character for you to be able to make that turn for you to feel empathy. That in my mind is the spirit of God. These are the things that come from him. Those are the characteristics of God in us as human human beings that have his divine nature so we can over complicate this it has to be a bolt of lightning notes. That moment when you feel. There's someone that you've hated. Hate it all those years. That's the spirit of God Jason. It's been so good. I hope you the listener have a better understanding of that if you've got that bitterness eating being away you get a copy of Jason's book in if you can afford to help focus on the family with the gift of any amount and we'll send it our way of saying. Thank if you cannot afford it in your in a tough spot call us anyway. We'll send it to you trusting that others will take care of that expense. It's so important it from our perspective that you have a tool in your hand to help you get through this area of bitterness. It's key to growing in your relationship with Christ Christ so do it. Don't hold back. 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164: Friday in Harrogate

"You listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh the fastest clothing in the world tour the home name cycling with character Rydin Watch with rather in two thousand nineteen as they partner e F education fast and canyons throb. Where are we lionel. We will not surprise set every night. We're in a hotel the country Livingston Georgia's hotel in Harrogate pronouncing it wrong a week pinching harrogate somebody last night she well. Let's hear him nice. That's how you say. How are how do you get any EM Agatha. Christie relate stories Chee Computer Madonna Express here well th there's there's only one mystery for Agatha Christie. Tonight is what on Earth is doing here. Tourists the first time I've been doing well championships adding official role so enjoying the the twenty four hours thirty six thousand heavy. It might have been a bit longer. Travel arrangements had gone better yesterday claims I have no official role despite the massive parents favorite painting joining us roll hall tonight. We've also got front. Tom Izzo Hi there it Sam impacting credit. We only four microphone sorry about that front so you won't hear lots of me because I don't have Mike but never mind. I'll listen for once. Say Your Hand Up. If you've got something to say because of vert event tonight we're recording while the men's on the twenty three or four days is going on sublime mosquitoes. I will know the result and what's going on in it. Let's have live updates. There's been a few crashes. Last time I looked there was re- remnants of the breakaway steal away. It's thirty seconds fifty kilometers to go but the pillet on lockdown thirty or forty rod is pretty select group by the time we get into town here and for this sprint is sports rights are Mitchelson Scott for those New Year of Oh. Everybody knows you you know how much attention you pay to the junior road race and the other twenty days and is a more attention paid on the junior road race with so many young writers coming through in the last couple of years. The game certainly changed. There's no way in the world I would've looked paid any attention to a junior men's rice. I was watching the television as as fire scouting because until three or four years ago what you would think at the junior level is a long way removed from where we're at in the world tour and there's been a couple of gentlemen in the last to use that have certainly changed. I think a lot of people's perception of that given point freaks of the sport is the number one example but I did catch it a little bit of the men's Rice but at the end of twenty three race. I've got three Reuters in that race that that will be joining the team makes you so keen to keep it on the final but yeah I think we're paying more and more attention to the junior level ranks. Would you seventeen or eighteen year old him for testing if you thought that they could maybe we'll do whatever post look in the past because we had had had a development team and the national team before was very very connected with the team. There's probably no NEETU because if there was any talented young strands coming through we knew who they were Wrestlemania from the track program and there is some very very talented goes in the track team and the mom who often excuse Olympics we all locked have your tone but I think think because we haven't got a development team. I think we're starting to look a little bit younger and I think it's good to have relationships with their special. Coming through you find those guys properties. What is nineteen twenty year olds they have. They've already got more offers and there's more competition for them than the ones was even if they're struggling early two or three teams who approaching one hundred percent in one hundred percent. I think it was contacting juniors not that long ago. I think even two or three. Ucla you could wait till eleven ear and Cherry pick the best the best based on the two thousand three hundred eleven hundred everything with the with the raw democracy when it's when one table to start looking earlier actually forces other teams into doing the same thing we we we see the same thing happening with with countries don't we Columbia our Ecuador Ni- and then agents will go in and they will sign up riders on their boots is not having to regents and manages are signing up writers stimulating the market themselves and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy that as as one team does well them eighteen nineteen year old other the team feel they have to. I think it is I think everyone needs to South American car on a young one and the obviously producing a lot of talent out of South America especially the combines the carapace from from Ecuador but it's one part of the puzzle becoming professional cyclist and even get the Americans have produced some great athletes in Tom. Trolling ranks over the last couple of years but when was the last American really did something coming here in Europe. It's been a long term. That's been on me I think. What are some of the young Americans have found it difficult to assume like living Europe? I think I think the difference those because I still think America's and it's that between six and ten hours to get home and it's it's quite easy to get hunger. I think as far as the Anglos and from the Southern Hemisphere we want to he he for the season and I think it's been a mindset where we'd been benefited from that. Y- The heat for job to rice in Europe and the Colombians as well as I think they can go home especially if you come from the altitude areas they can go home when they and we have a season there so they can go home whenever they want in the season as if I season whether season and then God middle of the season spring autumn wherever that may be doing out free altitude campsite and try them familiar roads and I think that's also when Europe is so causes or went home is so close easy to get away from. I think that also changes how people look at what's happening here in Europe. I'd like views on there was a controversy I mean I had some disagreements with Daniel but in told the France two years ago but because the all school view was that when you were a young rider twenty like under twenty two hundred twenty three or probably under twenty five or twenty six it's too early to launch into the into the the big bath with the big boys and go for a major stage race and do you have the impression that Eggen Venar founder pool or Remco Pool. Now are kind of changing the rules. I mean are destroying this kind of certainties. The old school a cyclist cycling fans or cycling managers had doing the picture is changing a little bit yeah definitely and even myself question. I've the last couple of months oh being very very cautious over the last few years the not pushing young rod too much when they turned professional but still thinking back to Portugal even pool venables different story altogether but those guys they are the best of the best and I think he can treat those guys a little bit different but if you told me the start of the season Yeah Portugal was in two hundred thirteenth or something to it under and in September you stood Walter said it very very meteoric. Roy's in at a very very high level he won eleven Sheba. Levy is a rice of under twenty. Three's yes it's a very little race but finished third in the world and to finish off the wall to the way he did our coaching our coaches doing something different. I doing something different than we're doing. Just freaks ought to know what the answer is but it certainly has change the way I think we've looked at young boys. Maybe maybe their development. Maybe we can be a little bit more not pushy but a little bit less protective of some of the younger guys in the future is aristocrat someone who comes to that level eighteen nineteen and then gets into the professional system whether in a trade team more effectively living in racing racing like a pro but still being a teenager. DC The effects of kind of burnout or the effects of somebody getting twenty five twenty six years of age and everybody down six seven years at a pro and also do you think it will impinge on a opportunities for the light bloomers. Somebody who comes through and shows at twenty two twenty three sorry might be at a disadvantage of three or four years already yeah. I think what it does change for. The light is people certainly not looking for talented. twenty-three role to modify motive missed the boat and I think that's auto mistake. I think Gore's do develop a different rights and a lot of younger. I tried to tell them Ramon Duncan pace off to to the ice brothers at Dunkin self to these courses because I this at twenty one twenty two. Just do it just progress at your own speed. I think that ethos is going to stay the same but I think the behalf and the management sort of things I think you can probably throw those young talent especially the really talented ones I think into the depend a little bit more to see see how it goes single swim. The the main thing is don't let them in the pool on. I think it's good to give them a lot of exposure to deliver isis and then it's case by case if they're ready to handle it at the fastest clothing in the world tour the home of cycling with character ride. 'em Watch with rather in two thousand nineteen. AH THEY PARTNER E F education fast and canyons thrive play very much to our title sponsor RAF very grateful as ever to them for their support four and well guys all the cycling chance fine as is fair and good but we have to talk by high tea and Betty's aw we were we were treated to the full experience and it was very interesting to see the reaction Francois Francois's an old Honda thing high tea and Daniel never seen Daniel so uncomfortable high tea and what was it high tea and Lucy afternoon tape. What's the difference. This is it not just the same raw often t. we had a little glass of champagne and I t. h. And then the full selection of little sandwiches and scones and or scones or scones Daniels I of his depth was not mentioned in some macaroni and I find it very confusing L. Fink. I'm reeling if say if it'd be a similar kind of culinary cultural experience in Italy you he would've been choosing for eight in the currents in the wrong ninety as you said not nice. That was your verdict on. It wasn't that I was being polite. I was it was it was nice. Yeah I mean that's how it go off until I'm sure that was the gold standard. It seemed like the best when you've ever heard it was not enjoy it I did. I did the first time I've had sermon with macaroni medical but it is my first as well so it was a very sociable experience duty. Pick anything anything that might transfer race food. Stick them in music series. Let's be against most of the things that we especially that body. You showed me this perfect coffee cream. We need to get science sport to do a clotted cream. GEL CLOT CREAM MINNESOTA's only certain stages this year of major races and Dora when the hailstones came are the Jiro the more thorough the stage. I think Ah Coffee Creamer Deng guys a lot good. Some of them were written. Were too skinny for the you know. The reason why Richard Richard More survives a landslide was you know as a kid the cones and cream. I'm basically made made of coffee cream but a big thank you to Donna bettys for inviting really was it was it was a treat wasn't it was a it was a very well. I'm still I'm fits. Nearly six o'clock and I'm still hungry busiest place in Harrogate night isn't it. Betty's certainly is yeah and we met Lizzie banks afterwards the Great Britain writer who gave me some very interesting interesting gossip aren't we all share probably shouldn't but apparently F. Education I and any answer both saying women's teams. Apparently that is the case it really partly that's especially for any else because I think there's been some of the best women in the world over the last decade been British and it hasn't made a development team on their behalf and it'd be great to see one of the powerhouses. The sport have a have a women's team and I don't want to tell tales but you're right and was there as well at the next table. I did contemplate sending a cream has gone as will treat sabotage her road race toward Franz wants came to harrogate and the finish was the lost four hundred meters were the same in two thousand fourteen set mark cavendish because he laid out his strategy for the sprint way. We was GonNa Launch Sprint and he told me he was GONNA go plan to go with three hundred to three hundred three hundred meters tried the Olympic Audrey. What three hundred meters I was just outside? Betty's is wouldn't be the first time you accelerated outside the cake shop what your early impressions of Harrogate as a as a as a venue for the world championship good always stayed under Commodore he away from you the Tour de France but actually didn't look at town at all great venue and we'll see how the crowds it's filter in this letter on the southbound finish the under twenty three's. I'm sure I'm sure it's a busy day here on Sunday Saturday as well but the blue ribbon event on Sunday and I'm sure a lot of people coming into the weekend Kim from around Europe to shoot that I do cycling podcast team. Kart the back of the tax lease the voice of Radio tour the Tour de France Interrupting Interrupting Our World Championship coverage to remind me to tell you that this episode is sponsored by the Economists now Richard. We've been reading comic many months now. Haven't we didn't say being sponsoring the podcast him we've read on a range of different issues and found out that the magazine is about far more than just economics and finance and of light. The communist has been turning attention to the issue of climate change and a recent issue dedicated more or less to that one subject because climate change is not an isolated this year to effects absolutely every aspect of our life and work and we've even started to see the impact extreme weather events and things that have been caused by extreme weather events affecting bike racing this year. Haven't we notably the zero in the tour. Yeah I mean it's something we talked about a lot of the tour. Obviously we had stage nineteen. Cancel estimates ever happened. There was a landslide there were hailstones whereas ice on the road had as well in Daura at the wealthiest find find your recently stage wasn't canceled occasion but it certainly had an impact on the racing we solved via the Jiro and also the G. Rosa this year am 'em so we are we appear to be seeing more and more extreme weather events and here in Yorkshire. We've seen some pretty extreme weather to and with the time trials on Tuesday as the in particularly in particular badly affected by very very heavy rain well the economist is you would expect of taken very kind of holistic around view view of the subject and Richard when you're reading the climate change issue which came out a couple of weeks ago actually last week what Roy well. It's another subject kind of close to our hearts because as we traveled around Europe we like to sample the local food of course and this is a piece of let's call. Fade fade to Brian and it's about climate change destroying ancient olive groves in southern Europe it concentrates on and polio at right down in the South Italy where all of our being destroyed by a bacteria which are not describe all try actually. Zillah fasted deal so we need the pronunciation police on that one. Don't we do that for so it's by SAP. Sucking insects called spittle bugs. Climate change is not the article article says the root cause of this outbreak bought it does explain the VA rapid spread or partially explain the rapid spread and it's really threatening an olive groves throughout southern Europe and climate change says the articles destroying or contributing to the destruction of ancient olive olive groves across southern Europe unusually hot summers and heavy rains in Greece of produced surges and the olive fly populations harvest there is expected to be done thirty-five percent this year so it's a pretty bleak picture and AH trend phenomenon we're likely to see repeated and as you say it has an impact on obviously all all aspects live from what we to whether we can enjoy bike racing without without the threat of or the possibility or probability of interruptions because of extreme weather events indeed yeah well. The economists climate change coverage doesn't just stop with their specialists you that they did they going to be covering the unfolding story of climate change in that daily and Weekly Reporting Auditing in the magazine and online in that podcast films and their events as well and if you would like to see what the economist has to offer our and what they say a on a wide range of subjects because he economist is a small guide to the forty changing your world so if you're the type of person you never stops asking questions. You may want to get yourself a free copy delivered to your door by texting the word cycling two seven eight zero seven zero. That's the word cycling and text it to seven eight zero seven zero right for a free copy of the economist. Yeah how are certainly seems busier today than it has any point since we arrived on Sunday. Somebody was saying this morning that bit of an absence of international national fans but today I've seen the Belgians on in their red yellow and black high. There was some Irish fans all walking in a line up presumably heading into Betty's and it feels like well why not everyone is hitting Betis on yeah. It feels like the world championships for the first time this week really man walking past with a Yorkshire flag. I don't think Yorkshire I've got team in this year. Have they. People you know go to great sense of independence people from Yorkshire as Colonia. Matter of time junior women's road race was this morning. I watched quite a lot now and it was very well. It was a lot crashes. A topic of conversation's been the how few laps they're doing the finishing circuit here. They didn't really do a lot. They just came in to the finish. The race was won by Meghan Straub of the A USA. They're having a very good world championships. She got away in the closing few couple kilometers with Google Gruber open singer name correctly the Russian girl L. who won the time-trial a day and she finished outside the medals in fourth because he asked her. I've got just right. She waited and waited then when won the race and just as the the bunch were closing some rather went to Julie Deville Delve Belgium and the bronze medal to leaker Nghien of the Netherlands Eleanor back stead was fifth and then she's saying for trek segregated for the next three years. We had a question in from a listener Chrissy. Actually who said the in commentary ratio Gilmore when a few times juniors race restrictive gears and Chris was wondering what that means now. My understanding of that Matt you might know better is the maximum side gear that the juniors can ride it around about fifty to fourteen. I think Roy site works out at a bow used to be ninety three inches fifty fifteen when I was here so I basically one revolution of the pedals in box biggest gear modern exceed the distance ninety six inches. The regulation is clear and it's over walk gears you can call us and the reason for that my I understand is just to protect riders from into racing on just beginning and turning their development years into just a show of brute strength developing cardiovascular aspect as well. Is that right yeah. I think it favors that sort of aspect and biggies also need back problems when you're young growing athletes so restrict against it's more about the aerobics system than just brute force whereas now a big sixteen year old an unlimited gaze at a push then then smaller undeveloped seventeen year olds is fifty fifty two four thousand nine. I just looked up and but you can see that having an effect on some parts of the course obviously where it's fast. The writers are just spinning. I am and that will be the case with the junior. Sorry the geometries yesterday. We must really paying attention. We were away all day yesterday of course Jim. I'm Jim Andrey's about earlier. The you know the Colombian Colombian Latin left high and dry. Apparently he's still he's still so that Beth thera- think his name was one of the images will probably being the world championships so far crying side of the road and then there were the pin various explanations from the Columbia mechanics. Colombians Columbia team call yesterday shared a team called the Uruguayans Chilean's so the teen time when to stop for the Chilean writers Uruguay Colombian riders were very split to that point and I think they're any to Shimon and neutral service causing the race and and the wasn't one near the the young gentleman that was I think it Did you have a puncture that time anyway it removes them. Everything well look very sorrowful at the time and was you know and it was in flood of tears and was running up the right but apparently yeah. He was thrilled this one because he had four thousand new followers on instagram. What a shame you on that on your with your mechanics expert as you could have stood there and just sort of vaguely just pointing out because I ready's as well on twitter story finish the race in sixth place so many didn't he wasn't out of the race. He managed to finish which is what you know it away impressive that he didn't give up and you know and there was yeah. It was very sad to think of the distance he's traveled to compete and anticipate all the team cars to stream pasta. Nobody nobody helping him. I mean that was gestion probably city one that he was actually standing on the wrong side. I robot he was he was yeah yeah. That's a problem that the raiders have when they come to Britain. They start. What did the Filippo potato at the tour of Britain one year not just refused to cross from the right to last and you and there was a standoff until eventually had to go in and change the tapes and also with low people don't realize that actually the parents ended up paying. Thanks for the junior. World trips not too many federations on actually fully fund juniors so triple and some of these junior teams come over for two or three weeks and don't oh you talking about up to ten thousand dollars to have it. Yosano your door to come and prepare for a world so is an expensive exercise and now unlocks to see is bad luck with anybody commission with a genius who are running your equipment pioneering wipe probably come here and put a lot of effort as much as the cycling podcast is supported voted by science and Sport Science and sport fueled by science. Thank you very much to scientists sport for Support Cycling Podcast and offering twenty five percent off for your caught it cream sachets not really but lots of Jackson drinks and all sorts of sports nutrition products at science sport come into the could. SIS CPI TWENTY-FIVE SIS CPI twenty-five Scientists Sport Dot Com Matt Who's GonNa win and on Sunday who is a tree or look. If I was betting on the right switch on the led to do Pretty Ponte vendors who are distinct. He's going to have a ruled strong team around him. The courses technical our holiday. It's going to stay dry six and a half seven hours and it'd be anybody in this pillow adult on who will be happy to go to the long in sprint and we now have these technical abilities in the funnel and he's going to be I WANNA be. I think there's a few favorites but ah for me. He's the frigging thing is with him. He's poised on thirty. Five rest is is he on the road. We're talking about as the favorite in the men's Rod Rice twenty two twenty four twenty five year order going in his favorite with handful of soccer across rice as a handful of mountain bike races and thirty rod rises and he's going is one of the favorites how do you see it from an Australian perspective perspective then because the job presumably would be to try and get rid of undo an yet with the Ryder in Australian team would want to come down to some kind of group finish so how how do they go about eliminating vendor pool. You'll I think they got Buckley's Matthews for sure they'll use hike and clock walk in in the last hour. I would expect but our team will be quite happy. I currently Michael Matthews because he will probably run a dummy but Spain four him an appeal kick. Certainly five is a flat. Mark is be confident of too long with doubt but there's been worse finishes but there are there attaining that would be happy for for groups. I think they're pretty realistic. How do you how do you get rid of him. You're going to get rid of him. In in the crosswinds and you're not going to drop in on the Corm so cross the field I mean that would just play into the hands as a cyclocross world. Champion lost has been made of the distance along as championships. Have things can be pretty grabby roads as well. What what can you do do right is do winning. No the category into two hundred ninety two rice instead of two hundred sixty comes to rice how much extra work on that aspect of the rice goes in in the few weeks before a guy extending their training. You know that long long days for another hour. What would they be doing? I don't think so I think let's compare tomorrow with Monson. Remote Distance Distance Wise Tom on the block tomorrow. It will be a hard race as far as made his calming that's for sure but not too many guys trying above that six marketable and I've been looking. I'm trying to have some of that guys who were riding in this tool plugging away four to five hours. I think it'll be it's going to be three hundred kilometers nearly with with neutral but there it hasn't made any racist over to plight who's probably the longest rice anyone's had in the last in the last month or anything. Any Walter was six hours plus employer employer to fifty. They handle it. The handling and I think it'd be too much. I think the big thing if we got a foul weather here is staying warm especially early in that I three to four hours if you can stay warm stay protected from retain nights it makes a big difference and now the clothing that is available to go is a big difference from not that long ago the quality of calling Mexico's difference if you're in the saddle for sixty seven house which they're going to be on Sunday well we bet show over the road to the Roy Hall there to where we repairing hearing this evening all of us. If you're coming along well you'll already have seen us by the time. You've heard this hope. You had a nice time. We'll be back again tomorrow to recap the women's road race. Thank you very much for joining US Matt pleasure. Thank you for Bikes Daniel. Thank you Richard.

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Michael "Supe" Granda of The Ozark Mountain Daredevils

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Michael "Supe" Granda of The Ozark Mountain Daredevils

"Hey, this is marquess off and this is RPM forty-five. The ozark Mountain dare-devils have been entertaining for fifty years with their unique mix of country rock bluegrass and pop Michael Granda has been there the whole time. It all started when he moved from his hometown of Saint Louis to attend college in Springfield Missouri there. Well, I'll tell you what I'll let him tell the story. I was a kid who grew up in Saint Louis growing up in Saint Louis and sixty s I got to see the stones I got to see the kinks. Yardbirds I got to see sly and the family stone and Otis Redding. And Chuck Berry lived in Saint Louis. Whole. Life you. To Chuck Berry Farm and he'd be out there playing on a little flatbed trailer outside his house. And it was just great for a little kid like me learning how to play guitar. So Saint Louis had a very cool music scene back then. And I took full advantage of it. You know when I moved to Springfield is when I got indoctrinated into country music. Because I had never heard country music in my childhood household because my father faded it. I never heard it until I moved to Springfield and as a nineteen year old kid I discovered it. And then I had that whole world to explore. It was new and exciting to me and I just went nuts and then when I found a the guys in the dare-devils I've just going home at God. This is absolute. Heaven Know How did Y'all get together in Springfield Missouri which was much less adventuresome music wise in Saint Louis was there were no bands playing original music it was all cover bands we got together because everybody was a songwriter we got together to play absolutely zero three dog night's on. We got together to play absolutely zero David Bowie. And we got together to play one hundred percent are own songs, and we all kind of congregated and started playing each other's songs for the soul. Sake of playing each other songs, we were just a bunch of hippy songwriters hanging out doing nothing. So we all got together and hung out and did nothing together. That kind of morph into a band and then people started to discover what we were doing. And family for two years. Until we got a record contract where we signed our first record contract, we discovered there was a family tree up in New England who had trademarked the name, and they were using it as a folk group saw the first item of business we had to take care of first thing to do is change journey. As we came up with was cosmic corn cob and his amazing ozark mountain daredevils. Wow. Now, the first thing we had to do was we had to drop the word amazing because of our friends in the amazing rhythm aces. Okay and then the second thing we had to do was we had to drop cosmic corn cob from the beginning because nobody wanted to step out front because me corncob amp percent we we laughed that off the front of the name and that left us with Ozark Mountain daredevils of so the name cosmic Cobb is still available. Use It right now mark. Family tree sounds a little soft for you guys. Anyway don't you think well, right and to be honest with you at the band naming party. When we stumble upon the Ozark Mountain Dare devils, we didn't really like it and we continued to come up with perspective needs but our management kept referring back to the name because first of all Ozark is such a strong and sturdy word. But none of us really felt dare devilish on a daily basis like this morning me and I've been unfiltered l.. I feel I feel like the guy who wants to sit on his fortune to prospered puzzle. Musically you are pretty daredevil. I would say I mean you're adventurous. You did a lot of different kinds of things brab. That's true. So over the years we've kind of grown into it and it's served us very well mark now we're very grateful. You said that it was really when you got a record contract that all came about how did you get that record contract with an? We made a demo tape. So. One of the artists we used to listen to and they were also in Missouri was brewer and Shipley. We liked the way the record sounded lots of acoustic guitars and harmonies, and then we also liked what they were singing about. So we got the album and we flip the over to the back cover and we saw the name good Karma. Productions. Kansas City Missouri. So we stuck a copy of our cassette into an envelope and sent it to good Karma productions in Kansas City they loved it. They contacted us and they wanted to represent us. We said that would be just. Stand pleasure and Paul Peterson were the two managers and they would fly out to Los Angeles to conduct business for. took our cassette with them. After they can concluded. Chirpy business they said Oh by the way we had this other band back in Missouri. Here, would you like to hear the demo? and. Couple of labels passed on us until they got to am records and they played our devil tape for a gentleman by the name of David Anderly. David Emberley heard it and flipped it immediately put the wheels in motion for us to get a record deal on hand and records, and then they you with a great producer for your first album. That store David Andrulis in his office and he's listening to our tape and he's wigging out and he he called his friend, Glyn Johns a David Andrew, England, John's were dear dear friends and they were looking for a project that they produce together. They thought it would be fun to do an album together David Calls Glenn. Glenn. You remember that van we were looking for that. We were going to co produce I found them. David Glenn. flew to Kansas City. You're one of our gigs and they loved what we were doing and Glennon David said, we want to produce your album and said, well, how would love to engineer produce the album I want to do it in my home studio in London so they flew us off over to London so in. The blink of an eye we were driving around Kansas and Missouri and Iowa, and Illinois the truck we got on airplanes and flew to London and worked in Olympic Studios, which is where Glen worked with the stones and the WHO the Beatles. Guys big time the very, very top of the heat and there we were met in it was like It was like the twilight zone it you have you been to before that no, we were just twenty, four, twenty, five year old kids flying over to work with the guy who gets produced of the Beatles in. Estonia mind-blowing. I was listening to an interview. You did a while back. I took this quote from your interview I thought was really good. It says a bunch of hillbillies from Missouri, to make some music that we'd catch the ear of Glyn Johns. We were just as astounded as anyone. I kissed myself a thousand times. Yes. So you're out there Western college gigs and all of a sudden you're in England with Glyn Johns exactly why bad finger and we bump into Pete Townsend doubled in. A dream come true. Now, one thing that really kind of I found amazing. Now, your first hit single was off that album if you WANNA get to heaven but apparently was a real fight that you guys had to get debt on the L.. Yes. Can you imagine that record without that song on it? No, and obviously it was a great song great record hit. What was up with that because he really fought it didn't he back then you could you cut ten songs into a piece of vinyl. You could cut five songs on each side side one inside two of a piece of idol before you started compromising fidelity. So we we knew we were going to have ten songs on the album. We recorded twelve when it came time for the final running order Lynn didn't think that if you WANNA get to heaven. This. Strong as the two sons. So he said, well, here's my vision of the. Here's the running order for side one. Track one, two, three, four, five, side to. Track one, two, three, four, five. If you WANNA get to heaven wasn't included our manager fought in to the nail they've convinced gleaned going through Jerry Moss who was the m of am that that song was a hit song and it should be on the album and when it came down to the eleventh hour we demanded it'd be on there and it went on rest is history you're. Fight. Yeah Yeah it's turned into an anthem. It's not only that song. It's an anthem had to have come on put your fist in the air buddy. Yeah. Big Little Hill. So, then you record your second album much closer to home lesser, we had a rehearsal space was an old eight, hundred, sixty civil war mansion that was used as part of the underground railroad, and it was this huge mansion with seven bedrooms upstairs and these large room fireplaces, root cellars, balconies, and that's where we rehearsed. That's where Glenn and David came to hear our songs and do pre-production for the first album, and we say, well, how how about if we record our second album right here at this? We had the room the room sounded beautiful. It was all wood. We had thick carpets on the on the floor and heavy drapes for the sound was dead. Just perfectly. So instead of packing up all our shit and going to a state of the recording studio, we drove a mobile recording studio into the woods rain all the microphones into are perfectly deadened soundproof russell room and recorded the second album in the Milas out in the middle of nowhere. It's a weird story man that's why when I was writing that book I was going my little weird story. This this is it's a it's a great story I also had tell you I think you're a great writer I'm definitely enjoying the book. Well, thank you very much. It was a lot of fun. I wanted it to be historically correct. I didn't want it to be a drug and sex, and here's who I dated after I dated share there was plenty of drugs in that book so far yeah, they are. We were stoned as hillbilly no sex though is. Very circumspect about that not yet. Oh, not yet. Okay. I got. I Got South Elsa owner. Well, let's get back to the album. It'll shine wanted shine and it contained your huge top five hit some places number one hit. Jackie blue now Jackie blue I was one of my favorite songs very different from the other stuff you guys do very different. How does that come above this like I said at the beginning of this interview we were all songwriters we all came from different bedrooms. We had a bluegrass guy we had a country guy myself I was kind of more of the rock and roll guy and Larry Lee wrote more pop stuff. When we recorded that song as you stated, Marge is very atypical of our sound. Yes. But we just as many of Larry Songs as anybody is songs. If you look at listen to that first album, you know Larry songs really different yet they fit in. Now on the second album Larry songs are really different but they fit in one of them being Jackie blue. We didn't think anything of it because we were just having a ball playing music right now they were paying us to play music. So we worked up Jackie blue ride alongside the country song and the Bluegrass Song and the Rock and roll saw does it was no big deal. But when we recorded at the record company, plucked it out of the album and made a huge hit out of. When it was a huge hit, it was starting to fade off the record company came to us and said, okay. Boys Jackie blue has done. It was Jackie red. Couple come on. Give us a little Jackie. Greene. How about Jackie Brown We and we told the recommend. Well, you know we don't approach our music that you guys don't have Jesse read now Jackie blue though I found out was originally written about a man not a woman. Yes Oud Jackie blue he was this and he do he went here. He went there Doodoo to do he was data Jackie. Lou played it that way for a while until we recorded the track Glenn took Larry Sides Larry. But what is what is the song about Larry told them about the guy and Glenn insisted that Jackie Blue Your girl? Why is that? It was thinking I don't know. But. He insisted that he said this is a number, one song jets, but Jackie must be a girl. So Larry and Steve Cash when we other room and they emerged two or three or four hours later but the whole set of leary all different settled Eric's and the newly and Jackie woman and the first time the rest of the guys in the band hurt it it kind of startled us because we've been playing Jackie blue it has a male song and all of a sudden. Oh. Jackie gown south of sex change. Yeah. This was before exchanges became more common right? Exactly. But this was probably the sex change I would imagine the easiest. Yes all you needed. A Pencil and a piece of paper different words and you're all. Yeah. So there we are. Now once again, our fans only knew Jackie blue as girl, but our close friends and family who had been listening to the Song Renew Jackie as a guy, and then all of a sudden she's going to the top of the charts. Once again, we were astounded. It was very believable to me as song by a guy who kinda ran into some trouble with this woman and he's getting back at her. Not Going to tell you that but just kind of an observation, a lot of quirky girl and do their own thing I want to ask you about some of the lyrics here because I wanNA know if it's intentional or is just my dirty mind. Okay. The lines you'll take an inch, but you love a mile there never seems to be quite enough floating around to fill your love and cup. Okay was that a sexual reference or am I just dirty? Little Boat. You, you are dirty, but you're right. Okay. Well. Get, give an inch. They'll take him out. That's an old adage. Heard that. Of course. Yes. Just saline each of you know whatever Yeah whatever. So there's kind of that Innuendo in there, but it wasn't blatant. Wasn't the warped minds out there like me yeah yeah. So you get to your third album and a son Glyn Johns is not producing wreck because apparently what he he wanted to, he wanted to get rid of your manager or something like that. Well, see the thing was is. It's back to the friction on the first album body from what you have. Glenn didn't want that song on the album in our manager who at times could be quite convincing and quite vocal the two of them butted heads and when it came time for the third album goddess, all room said, I love working with you guys. But I I can't work with your manager when we say we don't okay So we were still a bunch of googlers from Missouri and we said we I, guess we're GonNa stick with her manager. He got us this far. So we had to make a hard choice, we stuck with a stand in all and good Karma and kept it all in the family and kept it all in Missouri. An also an wanted us to move to Los. Angeles because if we moved to Los Angeles, they could do this on the share show they give Mike. Douglas. They could get us under merv Griffin's variety hour and with to hit records under our belt they felt that, hey, we could probably to send us something. So we made those decisions we decided to not move to Los Angeles and we decided to stick with our management. So you make decisions along the way. Some of them are good. Some aren't so good and. He's one of those decisions were bad. They were just decisions. We made it. We made them. We lived with now when you get to the third album. Okay. So he's not producing anymore but also just about where I am in your book, you know it's like it seems like whereas the previous elm, you had all these songs ready to go and you were you know really prepared organizes sort of like you went out there and you you really. It seemed like you had a great time you record in initial boy bunny started to pour in from. Having Jackie blue can you say tall cotton? You live in a like at you. Probably you know never thought about what again let's use the word astounded. Yeah. So all of a sudden Glenn is the picture David Andrew Lee continues with working with us. He added different producing style data Glenn coming in and saying you do this you do this and you do this came in and said, Hey, what do you guys do you have a pool of songs to call from? You pull out the first hand arrive scrape the cream off the top the second batch. Still Bunch of really really good song when you scrape off thirty songs off the top of the VAT, then you start going to what about this? What about this? You know and you gotta start writing stuff. So when we went into, make that third call lake album, we went in with a completely new approach whereas the first two we went in completely prepared we went into, they call the lake album less prepared a little bit less regimented a little bit. disciplined and we just went in and actually had a really good time doing it seemed like. Coke God. Again, we were hired August played in hog heaven brother. Yeah yeah it seemed like you were in a great tyrod. Now, when this album came out there wasn't a hit. We put out the first hit habeas. Great because. I. Had hit. Hey use easy but album didn't have hidden when hey, what happened? Not. So. Easy. They, say, what is it? They say mark they say it's easy to get to the top, but it's hard to stay there. I'm, not. Sure. The top either I mean think about how many? How many times? Do. Who would look at you say Oh my God, those guys are kicking bugs you know, right? Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway are we getting ever get and it was okay we made we made the album. We didn't have a hit on it either that we were making very high quality music very, very focused. And you just don't have the hit. By it's hard to get into, don't understand how hard that is. Sometimes, it doesn't happen right? Yeah. So There was another thing that they came across, which is that you guys like to do funny songs and there was no money songs on that third L. Either and you had a little battle with am about that as well. Well yes. So for the first four or five years of our band are concerts. We would include these absolutely absurd ridiculous songs. Chicken train is one of them. So we recall we used to play these songs that are gigs and people loved them course the what the when it came time to go into studio we didn't record them. Glenn was that interested in doing? That's fine. He May to hit record so you can't argue with. But. We said when we've got all these funny ask songs and am wasn't interested in them either. So we've got that third and we said, Hey, look in our fans are clamoring because there were people out there who were fans of ours who loved chicken train and they didn't like Jackie blue and we had fans out there who love Jackie blue but they didn't like all that stupid shit. So we asked Director Comey if they would fake ones, those little red plastic records to get on the back of cereal boxes and We we put that as an insert into the third album. So. If somebody wanted a few laughs, there was less it would have been really fun. You know it would have been a little bonus for your album I. think it'd be very cool. It would have been very cool though once again, we were talking to record company who is selling a million copies of our serious shit. Rock the boat with some goofball doctor Demento Shit. So they was one to write checks day was the one pressing the disks yeah. Man We had. And we still have some really funny songs. Now did you ever put out an album? That's just all of that funny stuff like a comedy record what we're talking about right now that's a great idea of course I thought of it. So great minds think alike. Have your people, call my people. WELL NEITHER DO I. So we're looking to do that as soon as this all this pandemic sit settles down and we. We can start getting back into it. One of the first projects were going to do is go back in and report ten sillier pieces. That's great. The being never really broke up as I understand it is that right? That's exactly correct. This December will be starting our. Fifty into fiftieth year and we never stopped. Now there have been times when we've taken some time off, you know. There have been years where we just haven't really done much at all, but we've never really got away. And but people coming. Right I mean, lots of people coming and going I. Mean you're the One guy and Dylan to who who stayed with the throughout. Their were John Dillon Steve Cash and myself. The three of us are ones that have been climbing in and out of buses and vans and airplanes for fifty years so you. Come and gone dozens were the bedrock. Scheduled for twenty. Twenty. One. Yeah. We've got a schedule now. Now now you get into this little area where we go out and play these gigs or we don't want to turn it into the grass roots where you come out you thirty minutes we don't come out and Paul Revere and the raiders where we come on go in nineteen seventy, we had this song that are Jackie Glue he thirty minutes because that's all we can play. Here's our four hits. Thank you very much by our t shirts to avoid that. We've continued to play full length shows complete with new material because as a writer you're always writing. So there's always As a matter of fact, two, thousand, nineteen, in two, thousand, twenty, we put out two new albums, all new material and people get those You can go to OZARK MOUNTAINS DOT COM. Do this dare head DART HEADS DOT com. We've got a new website that a new website was new albums. You know t shirts and hats and that kind of stuff. But yeah, there's there's new music all over this website we have and also. Nothing. So to right, you've had other bands, you strike me as a guy who always always wants to work somehow someone exactly right I put together soup and sandwiches. I've got all the Lord of dozen soup, Solo albums out and. Also endear heads DOT com. You know I love what I do you know what I saw I saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan I got struck by lightning in and here we are you know September twenty twenty Ernst still struck by that same lightning. Strikes me about the people I've talked to. As as I'm doing this podcast is obviously you want to be successful in Selah rutgers and all that stuff but the truth is you just love doing it correct. Matter. Evening when I play my guitar I, pick it up and I'm going to turn into a giant eighth grader. And I'M NOT PICKED GUITAR UP I'M NOT GONNA say. What am I gonNa do now to make me a million dollars. Tonight. Going to pick my guitar up to just have fun. You know they call it play music. Play music. They don't work music every time I pick up my guitar I play yet. Well, you know what that makes you one of the very fortunate ones that you know people do what they love to do. That is so special and unfortunately that. Typical. Correct. We're fortunate dead I mean John and Stephen I we go that we're fortunate. I've spent my whole life playing music and getting checks. And I, know that was lucky. Wasn't I. Know that we're one of the the exception to the rule. There's a billion musicians out there but there are some of us who we make our living at it. I'm a lucky man absolutely. Anything else I haven't talked to you about that. You WanNa talk about her for more I want to promote your book. I did say the name of your book the book is entitled. Is shined. You can get it dare-devils website. Now you got I. Think you could also get an Amazon Gingrich kindle or you can write in and get actual hard cover hard bound book with pages and pictures and A. Good, one. It's you know five hundred pages of. Hillbilly. Rock and roll. It's the story of a bunch of guys from the middle of the country who kind of threw. Perseverance and a little bit of luck forged and make good life for ourselves. And I would say commitment as well in the sense that you were admitted to doing it your way. The biggest word of all their commitment to the art. Yes. 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What Jalen Green's Announcement Means for the NBA

Warriors Off-Court

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What Jalen Green's Announcement Means for the NBA

"Nba Season is suspended indefinitely because of the corona virus pandemic. But where's off? Court is still going. I'm Kinda turn out. And even though I'm sheltering in place in my apartment in Alameda I'm still bringing you the news about the warriors and the NBA. How players like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are handling the shutdown? How the corona virus crisis will change the team's plans and how basketball can get back to normal. It's all here on warriors off court which can be found on your favorite podcast APP on today's episode of wears off court. I'm joined by Kevin Danna the longtime play by play announcer for the Santa Cruz. Warriors to discuss Thursday's news that top recruit Jalen Green will forgo college to join a reshaped. Nba Professional Pathway Program. That's partnering with the G. League. During our conversation we went in depth. On how this program could change draft evaluation for that matter college recruiting as we know. Kevin. Thank you so much for joining me on the PODCAST As you know as our listeners know at this point you're my Go-to guy for everything. G leak and the G. League is come up quite a lot. This season The warriors lead very heavily on Santa Cruz. A lot of pertinent storylines going on down there and today there was G. League related news. That could have a massive impact on not only the NBA. Not only the G. League but recruiting in general NC double a. Other Professional Leagues Overseas Kevin what when you heard that. Jalen green the top her crew in the twenty twenty class projected number one pick and the twenty twenty one drafts. We're GONNA go to the G. League enjoying this new player development program through the G. League. What were your initial thoughts? The phrase Kinda came to me initially was. It's a monumental moment for this week now. Kind of last year rebellious seat said he was GonNa go play in the of course. Step that internship with like a million dollars. I believe in the hotel for him in personnel to with Oklahoma City. But this is kind of fun. Tears that G Week. I think was hoping to cross the news. Juicer that was really kinda legitimize. It is people who don't work. Let's you and I think people recognize its value in order to kind of legitimize to the public's things I think need to happen. One of them was j all Stars. Doing Rehab assignment. Injury Games nachos practice was very proud. Steam with Golden Sakes definitely. Santa Cruz is the next step would be for that. All starts playing a game and then the other one was get these five star top five ish crew out of high school to play in. Cuba for a season I was going to get. That was Bazeley last year. Reseda and green this year and now they're reports with US guys. Ahah taught his name as you might be part of this then. There's other names that those things could be part of this news nearly this new G. League affiliated team kind of not exactly a G. League team for salesforce for a title but It's its own. It might not change. They live for Jiri players and coaches. Who aren't affiliated with this exposure. That can get as a result. I mean it's there to serve and this is a seuss. Things kind of better develop process or further ten days mission statement of developing young talent losers. I Give Adam Silver Truth. Guru Sri who's Busy the president. Did she leave? He's the yeah. The president's really former CAL guy A lot of credit for how they went about this because They they basically saw that there was a need and they needed to fix it You know the fact that guys like Lamelo Ball and RJ Hampton. Were traveling all the way across the world to play in the Australian League for one season before going to the NBA. Just doesn't really reflect well on the developmental system that the NBA was trying to build in the G. League. And and I think the problem was even though they have good intentions last year when they initially unveiled this pro pathway And I think that you know there was a good idea there with this guy's making one hundred twenty five thousand dollars and things like that. I think they realized pretty quickly that they needed to do. Much more to entice these high level guys because these guys have a lot of options they could They could go to one of many different professional leagues overseas. They could go to the Blue Book. Blood College programs or they could just sit at home and sign endorsement deals and and wait until drafty and those are all honestly viable options for for someone like that and I think the problem with the last model of this pathway was that you know there were a the money probably wasn't good enough one hundred twenty five is not near. We'll guys were getting paid in Australia and some other overseas leagues. The other thing is that I think there were a lot of concerns from these players and their families about being thrown into some random. You know small market small town type team where you're living on your own and say Sioux Falls South Dakota or Or Stockton California or something like that. And you're you're forced to be an adult right away and go up against high level basketball players who might not have the greatest reputation because they're not in the NBA. But you and I both know having been around this league that a lot of these guys who are in the G. League or guys who just as good as you know a quarter of the guys currently in the NBA. So if they're not if they're not holding their own against these guys physically. Maybe they're not ready. I think a lot of Outsiders might look at that and think it reflects really poorly or they're not live up to the hype given just the reputation of the G. League so I think there were. There were a lot of understandable trepidation and that's ultimately why Bazeley backed out into Paul his agent Convinced him not to go forward with that plan. So I give I give Sirri Fedora. Hime and Adam Silvera a ton of credit and looking at what do these guys want? And what do we need to do to make this a viable option? Yeah No I. I agree with that assessment. One hundred percent because yeah. It's one thing you know playing playing against you know top five recruits from Kentucky. Who could project to be very good players or they could project to be is a play two to three years in the NBA and then playing against say like a thirty three zero point guard. Jeremy Cargo who we know has NBA level down these Chaudhry Golden State this year. There's a spot full time for him. Going up against a guy like that who was in his prime. Just a little bit task describes. Who's playing at a very high rebel? I mean those kind of guys. Those veteran guard soon veteran players could expose eighteen to nineteen year old so I think yeah. I think how they have kind of set. This up is well. Maybe it's not like Helix leksand's perspective for for those who do you follow the G. League Rather regularly like all right probably wish you could see them. Play Fifty Games a season again and be like monitoring for like a local market but it doesn't necessarily make sense. These high school kids to do it like that for the reasons you mentioned so I was reading some. Espn article looks like maybe ten. To Twelve Game Attrition Thousands League team and you play against the International Academies or other national team from from what I read I I. I think that's a really nice setup for these guys and do something a little bit different to make sure that you're getting these guys here in the first place the money I know they're i. I read one report that Sam. Mitchell is a candidate to be a coach for for this team. I mean we'll see if that happened but still like a coach like that entering the eighteen nineteen year old. It makes them with veterans and I. I think it's a great setup For the top high school process are GONNA be one year out of the secondary. Yeah there's still a lot of questions. But if let's say they can get five six high level recruits Put Him on this team. Jalen which seems realistic given The top level guys who have yet to commit anywhere Guys like High Soto On makers younger brother you know these are guys who would make a Lotta sense. Obviously todd that you mentioned earlier would make a lot of sense to go this route if you can put those guys on the team. Jalen and then round out that roster with kind of the Jeremy Part of the world with those guys who are well aware that you know. They're in being ambitions are probably over but they have some NBA experience and they have some high level Extended professional experience. Those guys can come in and mentor. You know these these future potential stars in the NBA on a daily basis to me. That sounds like an amazing opportunity for everyone involved. I know talking to someone like Jeremy. He seems like the type of guy that would really enjoy that type of opportunity. You know to cause a lot of these guys who been through the ups and downs. They WANNA get back. You know they wanna they wanNA help bring along that next generation. I think a lot of these guys would be really Excited about that kind of opportunity. And there's also those guys out there who maybe know still feel like they want an opportunity in the NBA or want some bigger professional opportunities and there's going to be so many scouts and so much attention on this team. You know not only. Are they going to be at every game or exhibition that that this team plays? But I'm sure there's GonNa be open practices and a Lotta things like that and so you know this is GonNa be Assad after team in a lot of ways and from what we're hearing is probably going to be based on La we've seen his not Hidalgo Texas. It's not Stockton it's not too old. It's not Irri Pennsylvania so To me this if I'm someone like lingering if I'm someone like cassette or a five star guy with definite lottery potential there is minimal downside to this past. I mean I know it's new and and so there's always some risk involved with anything that's new but three of our team and silver. I've done such a good job of eliminating every concern. These guys could possibly have. Yeah that's a good point. I the the one thing I answered. Now we're talking about how it deposits for veterans. Who WOULD BE HONEST? I am curious as to like the hypotheticals that is attracted to US offer of we end up playing with Jalen Greens and So saying makers potentially world is. Is it going to be a guy like Jeremy Parker who was thirty three and you know thinking about a potentially your wife after basketball coach or something? Is it going to be twenty four twenty five year old guys who are looking for their first shot in the NBA has their best arts? Twenty six twenty seven year old guys to move past years experience? They see it as a as route back to the NBA. And I'm like how much veterans with get paid. 'cause all right they're saying five hundred thousand dollars for these eighteen nineteen year old kids. Now you're GonNa have a you know a thirty year old or twenty six year old seeking standard Jewish contract thirty five thousand dollars without an MBA. Ason I I think that's part is GonNa be really wants us to see how that plays out because you out there aren't going to be a lot of is on their games that they're gonNA be playing sooner games and so. I think that's an interesting straight off that betters. We'll have to live. Yeah you bring up a really interesting point but you know one of the things that I definitely thought about when you know. They initially announced this pro pathway last year and obviously didn't get really much. Traction was just the locker room dynamics and the G. League the just delete environment is a fascinating environment It's part of why I love writing about it. there's so many Different personalities people who have different types of stories and a lot of a lot of guys you know in the G. League or are striving to make it to the NBA and that can mean that they want. They want shots. They want minutes. You know and I think that's the hardest part about being a coach and the G. League is learning. How is figuring out how to have some sort of roster and encore cohesion when you have all these guys trying to get numbers up to make it to the League and It would have been fascinating and potentially disastrous. I think to have a eighteen year. Old Kid who's never played professional basketball. Go Into G. League Oscar Room with guys who've been fighting inclined just for an opportunity to be seen by NBA Scouts and be making exponentially more than them And potentially be taken away minutes from guys who are two guys or or trying to land in. Nba contract That would be. I think that'd be tough. The thing about this situation and this pro. Pathway is that whoever ends up what whoever ends up going to. This team is not a recruit you know if we keep bringing up. Jeremy pocket but those types of guys who ended up deciding to go to this team. They're gonNA know what the situation is before they go there so they're gonNA signing on in a green to it knowing that. Jalen green is making way more money than they will be making And so there. I think that that that can help. Mitigate potential issues Because everyone involved knows the situation whereas if there is basically ended up going to the G. League whatever team he ends up on a lot of those guys didn't necessarily sign up to be playing with areas basically so they basically shows and it's like over like you know I'm actually even better than you and you're making five times what I'm making. That's really not cool. There's no doubt about that that's true. I guess I'm too like who are the kinds of veterans that like sign up for this like how how many how many veterans would be interested in an opportunity. Like this as like they're gonNA need if they get five or six players Like from you know the class of twenty twenty. They'RE GONNA be. You know four to five veterans like. Is there going to be a line out the door of these kind of veteran players or is it going to be a much smaller pool? I I'm just curious to see like kind of how that breaks down more of my conversation with Kevin Danna right after the break. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical that the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the corona virus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out the mission wherever you get your podcast. One thing that's interesting is how this whole thing kind of came together Normally when you have A major announcement like this you would you would just you know. Have a big press release. Maybe have a news conference. I know that would be tough given the current state of things. But you could do it on zoom or what have you You would have something to to to to get out in front of it. But what happened was Jalen green announces that he's going to the G. League. He says that he's going to this. This this player at this Pro Pathway thing and when he said it you know I I've written extensively a big feature on Jalen recently. I've spent time with him. I was even confused by what exactly that. Man. I'm thinking. Is he going to a team? Is there is there? Is this something else like I know. I know that there was the pro pathway but the way he's announced it kind of made it sound like he wasn't going to an actual team that exists. Currently so I was confused and then shortly thereafter yes. Pin Drafts a report with full quotes from three from door. Game and other guys. You know that it already reported this detailing the intricacies of the situation so my understanding and this is just an assumption based off the series of the time on events is that G. League decided we need a guy who's GonNa be the face of this guy who can bring excitement to this in legitimize. This jailing green is the perfect player to be that guy because jalen green is one of the best high school prospects in the past decade. He is he's drawn comparisons to Lebron James to Kobe Bryant. I've watched all his highlights. I've spent time with them. I've seen him shoot. Seen him play he is a guy who I honestly think that help an NBA team. Right now And he is to me a sure thing and a lot of these other guys were talking about the cash sodas in the world. I have no idea if they're how if they're ready for even a G. League Environment Jalen Green will if he was playing just in a normal G. League schedule next season would be probably the best player in the G. League. I think he is a future. All Star that type of Guy So he is the perfect person to be the first and I think what happened was they recruited him. He said they said. Hey you gotta be the start of this new thing the face of this exciting new program. We got going and then you know what since we? We want to be as minimal to you as possible. So we'll let you have your little moment. Let you announce this you know on your instagram live. And and and and get it out there before we even released details this and Oh yeah by the way you know how everyone has been saying. We're only paying one hundred twenty five. Yeah we'RE GONNA three five hundred thousand dollars and you can also because you're going to be a real. You can start sending endorsement deals. It's already coming out that he's getting seven figure. Offers Shoe deals so You know how how is an eighteen year old? Can you turn that down? Yeah I mean what he could be. May I know? But that's seven figure shoe deal at three million dollars Messer. No yes and and that was a good point. You bring up house announcing on why he said. I'm doing the new something like I'm joining the new league team for the only thing right when he? Yeah when you check out I'm like wait has like at first. I was like he he's He's got something wrong about this. There is no nothing announce a new team outside of the team in Mexico City right there I hope the God who Jackson and then of course All all the stuff comes out. And I see the shops ron okay. All right that's what you're talking about and then it's like oh there's going to be inserted in California. The first thing I'm thinking about well they used to have this place. Where the Bakersfield Jam Player? They'RE GONNA play they're like Oh then it's in La. I'm like. What are they gonNA play? Where the Lakers old practice facility is like? I'm trying to think about the personalized and all that stuff. And then of course all that goes with windows. Ten to twelve exhibitions potentially. I'm not sure if all those details are official official yet but Yeah stuff's came about like the yeah. It was interesting to kind of get all this information in about forty five minute span. Where like someone like me? I had no idea that all this was Kinda the word I think they did their best to make this. You know exciting to make this year's Eve They tried to keep this a secret. The best they could but obviously this had to have been in the works for a while. I went to Napa three or so weeks ago. It's been an afternoon with Jalen and his parents and his sister and for a bigger than that bigger profile I talked about earlier and You know whenever right talk to him about his decision. He was very reserved. Not Not giving up a lot of details but talking to the people around him It sounded like what I was hearing was. He's probably not seriously considering going overseas. But you know when I when I say these people We'll Jalen said that he's there's the thing about going pro us. And in retrospect I'm really mad at myself for not connecting the dots there But the reason I didn't is because this was not considered a viable thing for players of jalen caliber until now Under the heaviest model. I don't think the G. League would made sense for someone like Jalen And so but but now it's like okay. Well he's not going overseas going pro so I guess you would. Have you know the obvious thing? And he he he He kinda he kinda tried to throw people off the past yesterday. He had a an instagram video. Where he's a big decision. Come in and you had the Memphis hat auburn sweatshirt and then. Nbl shirt not nothing and someone had actually gone back into his his instagram and found a picture of him in his apartment with Geely cat on the on the table and actually went out and circle the hat instead. Someone's photo shopping stuff into my pictures. And then when he made the announcement today he was wearing that hat Yeah I know I was talking with. David Resnick He's less veteran takes products. Asir Guy Friend of mine. He's like I didn't even know they made she leaked faster those you got a collector's item there but You know it was really interesting to see how that all played out any kind of like what you were saying. I mean the Guy Kinda get your back on this like even I who protested the G. League for eight years I but to say there are. I kinda got professional tactics because no one was on it and Oh okay. I guess this didn't work. Maybe it will work in the future like I literally think about it for for a good. Wow because if it wasn't us and so I think a lot of people could be forgiven for like not really thinking about that seelig often all that seriously L. WanNa take it out there for quite high. Yeah and you know I think that that had to be disappointing for the G. League and for for the NBA. And you know as a top league in in the world. That's not even debatable. And I think there was a little bit of embarrassment. When RJ Hampton Lamelo Ball went to Australia and and you know everyone's streaming their games online. That got a ton of attention. I'm sure out. Silver was privately steaming thinking it makes literally no sense that someone would need to go across the world to do this when we should have every thing in our disposal to create that opportunity for them stateside and you know spent eighteen year olds you know. Generally speaking they. They want to do with what they're comfortable with. And I'm sure the average eighteen year old between going down to La and and getting a nice apartment or House with their family for for a year As opposed to going to Australia or country where they don't speak English. I'm sure they'd much rather go. Yeah exactly and forgiven Greenwood. Was that a two three hour time. Fresno where he's originally from so yeah I mean it's even Even more convenient for for a guy like Jalen Green and from an NBA perspective. And this is one thing that I've been saying for a while. And then you know as you lead players tried to get higher salaries and there has been progress in that with The the salaries to thirty five thousand dollars. And hopefully that's an he needs to know if you're the MTA the bachelor world she wants to have all the best assets under your umbrella and so what. What's the way to do that? Is You know one thing is to raise the pay. Puff that up to five hundred thousand dollars for for the professional pass for this new team for the school guys in and Yeah you want to have the best prospects. Possible the best you know. That's not gonNA be Declared Street wants to help for them under your belt. Many of them as possible is so today was definitely a big step in the right direction. And I'll be honest with you. I'm I'm happy about this because I feel like Hollywood sports college basketball in particular has become such a mockery It's such a Sam. I mean you have especially with these one and done guys you have these these five star guys now a Lotta them as as has been reported now as FBI. Investigation revealed are getting money under the table and from different back channels. And you know what to go to school for a semester. You as you know being in college you can. You can fail. You can literally not go to class and also master and you can still survive that semester in fail out and then just move on and go prepare for the NBA. So the entire entire ideas these one and done has really in a lot of instances become a charade and it gets to a point where it's like if we're if we're just going to if we're gonNA just let's stop pretending that these guys are student athletes and let's call it what it is if you. WanNa go if your goal is to be in the NBA and you've proven and showing that you have the potential to do that can just go pursue in. Do in let's not let's not let's not playing games here you know and so. I I respect someone like Jalen coming out and saying I want to be a pro and I'm I want to do what's best for me and and I'm not gonNA pretend like I I wanna be going to classroom. I mean if I had to do the exact same thing. Yeah Yeah I hear people say oh. You can't put a price on the college experience. Well it's like well you're you're not gonNA make a million dollars is a twenty year old or whatever like you need to go to college. I. It's like college experience. I mean these guys are literally there for a semester. You know they. It's a lot of them. Don't even really have to go to class. Because they know that you know. They know what their future is. You Know Kevin. Love has openly said. He's like I guess I was technically accommodate. Ucla but I never went to class. It's like why would you? You know you knew you were going to be a lottery. Big Yeah Yeah. And it's like another thing is i. Don't think this is the death knell of college basketball if people are still going to want to cheer on their modern. There's still like a lot of really good players who need to you. Know who can't develop into prose until they're twenty two twenty three years old like I think I think in some respects call this vassals he better off not having You know be clear. Cut Pros In their system with you know you know but came along with with the FBI investigation and all that not to say that won't continue of course will but Yeah I think you know as someone who does look around five worked in college basketball for plenty years. That's GonNa be just fine. I wouldn't be worried if I was in J. Fan but at the same time. It's good that the top caliber guys can be pros eighteen year old. Don't have to deal with that kind of charade as you say for that is pretty small. Section here Actually the there's a lot more over top in the world and there are Jalen Greens and by that I mean guys who are late blooming guys who you don't start to look like NBA prospects until they're twenty twenty one twenty two years old So we're talking about free. Smoker for people in their rowdy is the NBA. The Geely are going to be discerning about who they give these contracts to They're not yet. Have some three star guy is like hey I wanna I wanNA do this there. I highly doubt the G. League is GONNA say hey. We're going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in you and one more thing I just. I think the timing of this is interesting in that. Nba is losing tens of millions. Hundreds of millions of dollars potentially over a billion dollars. They don't play any more games this season. There's so many questions about About the corona virus. The fact that they're doing this right now just shows you how serious they are. I mean this is quite a major financial investment at a time when finances are a real concern. Yeah no that's a great point and it. Kinda shows the immediacy of this 'cause like well people think that the twenty to twenty twenty drafts he year where you can country High school like that's not gonNA be your even. Yeah like that could happen but it could also not happen so You know you wanNA cover your basis and Yeah no it is interesting to see the M J KINDA. Go all out with this right now. I mean I. I love someone who works in the G. League don't only GonNa make things You know put more give more exposures for everyone Yeah it's it's really good me like a real like obviously we can't predict any of this stuff and it's like all right cool. It can be a little more hope for next season. There is one all right. Maybe just maybe there's a better chance. Obviously we can't say that we're not helpless but they gave me more hope that there would be next season Someone like Jalen to go bank on there being the G. League season next season as opposed to fly home across the world and moving to Australia. Right so I think that also It was kind of a perfect storm factors but I think that also helped the G. League case is a strong case to see these guys who might have been seriously looking at going overseas So Now it'll it'll be fascinating and the reality is that this is at its core really kind of an academy system so even if they couldn't play the full ten or twelve exhibition slate. They're gonna be able to you. Know hopefully potentially be training with high level professional basketball coaches and getting mentorship from high level professional basketball players. And you know at the at the very least you would think that Scouts will be coming to their practices. And that sort of thing so thanksgiving man I appreciate it. 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My House Is Paid Off but I'm Still Dealing With Anxiety (Hour 3)

The Dave Ramsey Show

40:49 min | 4 months ago

My House Is Paid Off but I'm Still Dealing With Anxiety (Hour 3)

"Headquarters of Ramsey solutions broadcasting from the dollar call rental studio. This is the Dave Ramsey show where. Contains out to have a conversation about your life and your money. My name is Anthony O'Neill, Co hosting today with the One and only Dr John Aloni. We call them doubt the deep here in a great city of Nashville Tennessee. How are we doing Anthony Man? I'm doing well. How about yourself outstanding? How has two hours bandwidth YOU and Chris Hogan? Christmas tough to work with I'm glad you're here. He is now. It's been great. Have Been Love Spinach. Time Chris. Love hanging out on the radio with you. It's good. That's good Chris. Hogan is voice. one of our other national bestselling authors here. And I'm just grateful to join us our with the one doctor John You know it's been a great four five might say. We want to have a conversation with you, so give call triple eight eight to five, five, two, two, five, triple, eight, eight to five. Five two two five, instead of one more time because I want you to call this and I've been missing been gone for about three weeks. How's your vacation been? Hey, man, get the people the number. Given the late eight to five, five, two, two, five. I missed I missed the people I missed our youtube family. I don't Miss You I've missed you so. Ain't gonNA hurt my feelings. Away. I Day man bought me a new dog. You know had a little puppy. America just purchase a German Shepherd and so she's in school now for three months getting trained in three months. Re Months I'm a wise man. You know I'm a good steward of what God has blessed me with. You know because I don't WanNa scream at the dog. I don't WanNa Yell Let. You know so I'm her goodness. House trained potty trained obedience train on the train and then when she comes home. We're going to have a good time because I was wise. You said that in a unique way. Anthony You said I'm getting her. trained. But right before that sound like you're paying somebody to do all the hard work. I am taking a finished product. You Go. Oh, man, you know. Let's go out to New York New York and have a conversation with Gabby! With Games, a gay or Gabby y'all been scared, Hey! Man Sorry about that one I see my it. People are telling me. I should have went somewhere else gave have a conversation talk to was. How can we help you out, man? Seventeen years old and working like a dog since quarantine hit and I'm having a hard time spending in enjoying on. I'll watch. Friends don't really have the same. Set Out. Aspect of money that I do get. I'm kind of I just get. My Patriot goes all into the brokerage account. Going invested in I'm looking at it twice, but it's kind of helped me back in I I'm with my friends all the time and I can. Prevent myself from eating food out? prevent myself from going on experiences that might cost me a buck or two so I wanted to see where you guys have to say about enjoying the money that we make instead of just saving in how I can get. How get my mind around just spending it irresponsible so so are you. Mr Sanjay gave You're saying that you got money. You have money, but you WANNA. Know How do you be a better steward of it? How do you save more? Maybe? How do you give more howdy really pretty much live below your means am I correct? So I'm great at saving. It got great living role. Minute up too good at it. I I haven't enjoyed. You haven't enjoyed it the money. Where does where does that come from? Gabor's that come from. The comes from of two things I think of fear of. Incomes not going to be the same when I leave for college I'm sorry. Just WanNa just WanNa Hornet all right now and I. Don't know it just always been either the kind of person who just saves money and I want to see any of it go. I JUST WANNA. Hold onto it and. Ken And do do you want? They enjoy it. Did you have money? Challenges when you're younger and your house? Do you have money challenges now? No I. Don't I mean so this a wiring issue. Just love saving money Yeah well, let's dive. Gape how? Yeah how old are. The. Seventeen seventeen seventeen. How much money do you have in savings right now? About eighteen and a half grand you go by eighteen point five in account all right cool. How much do you make a year? well I mean I go to school, so it's a little bit on and off. I would say Just, just to be conservative at it ten to fifteen grand, so you may ten fifteen grand. You have eighteen. Thousand five hundred dollars in your savings account in your seventeen. Are you in college right now, are you? Are you in your senior year of High School? So I just graduated high school going to College I. Tennessee This fall? Okay going to Tennessee. How are you paying for college? So actually I got us mostly full scholarship, and then their remaining which are repaying for room and board, which is around ten grand each year. I have. My grandparents have an account with around thirty. so I could just. Pay should be good I I. It's a little short by grand for for the fourth year calm, but then I would just pay cash for that you're. So? So Gay, but I'm elect the the doctor here tons you and the mental side, but from the financial side. Right now you're young and you're a perfect place with eighteen thousand five hundred thousand savings account. Do you understand that the average American and world right now? Well, not the average, nearly forty percent of us in America right now couldn't even afford to pay for four hundred dollars emergency. You have eighteen, thousand, five, hundred, nearly eighty percent of us are living paycheck to paycheck. You Got Eighteen, thousand five hundred. So right now. I don't really think you need to be enjoying this money. As much as you think you should be I love the fat that you're saving a lot more. Because then now what you're going to be able to do is take this money. Cash all your way through college, which grandparents hope then graduate college be making about forty fifty thousand dollars a year at twenty, one twenty two years old and you're going to be ahead of. Of the game because of where you are today, so I want to know this much game. You're in a great position Do not feel bad that you're not enjoying your money. Because that's what the average seventeen eighteen year old want to enjoy he you are. Join your money. You're making good decisions. You make wise decisions I'm telling you right now. Gabuna perfect perfect place man, and so gave them your I'm GonNa. Live three things on you ready. Right Down Rodham down. May here's number one? You've chosen as a seventeen year old to be wiser than a number of forty and fifty and six year olds across this country across the world. So I want you to plan now. You are always get. You're that kind of young man who's going to go up to be a great dead, a great father, a great community member, a great partner, and you are always going to be walking around down the streets of whatever city you live in everyone around you going. Be welcomed the other way, so I want you to plan on being weird and just get to where you're okay with that alive, because you have chosen to live your life differently already. That's number one number two. This comes from a great theologian name, Rich Mullins and I'm GONNA altered a little bit. People can often be proud of the things they don't have. As. People can be obnoxiously proud of the things they do. Have said wartime say. People can often be as proud of the things they don't have. As people can obnoxiously be as proud of things they do have is so somebody rolls up next to you in a brand new tesla and looks all fancy, and you know they put it on credit. If I'm sitting there and my Corolla. And I'm just kind of thumbing my nose at them, too. I don't need a car like that. I'm doing the same thing. They are just on the other end of the spectrum, and the third and last thing is. Playing you keep yourself a little bit of joy. Give some of that money away. Make that a part of your life. Laugh with your buddies, having a bunch of money and no friends and no laughter, and not a piece of pizza is not a way to live your life. You doing the hard work. Out there, but also smile with your buddies piece a piece. I don't know what they do in New York. I think you know where I stand on timeshares by now. No, they are not investments. If you're in the unfortunate position of owning one call timeshare exit team, they will go to bat for you and the timeshare down and when you hire timeshare exit team before the end of the month to. You from your timeshare, they'll give you a huge savings for paying by cash. Check or ACH, auto draft, call, eight, four, four, nine, nine, nine exit or timeshare exit team dot com. Some exclusions apply see site for details. Goma down to Virginia I have a conversation with. Linda Linda. Nello. Okay so recently signed up for school to It's a MOM certificate program. But the only thing that's a wish in like sky, high and I'm already in debt now like working on my credit. So is like. Should I still go to continue going to the school and getting some more debt or should I just? Wait and more financially stable and I. Get like things in order. Well A lot of Cardin so we can have this conversation give give Dot, Dean and myself a little bit more information about you. So how old are you real? Quick Linda me ask. I am twenty three twenty three, and you say you already in some desert. How much did are you? I don't know how much. I think is like a little over. It might be a little well in my be pushing twenty thousand, a little over twenty KS already. Some student loans from you try to go to college the I. Know, it's actually a car A car loan and other. It's like small loan. All right, and what are you going to school for? Why now it's medical system, but his certification okay. All right, and what do you do right now for a living? Why now just work at a retail store? Okay, retail store. Rondeau you work What was the certificate you're getting? Medical System Medical Assistant. Medical Assistant Here's my Linda and I. Think I hear a small, beautiful, handsome or beautiful baby in the background and. I WanNa make sure that you hear me clearly when I say this that I don't want you to rack up any more debt. You know you're young sharp. Young Lady! You're calling on the show having a conversation with us. I. Don't want you to rack up anymore debt and so what? I'm going to suggest that you do is start off US guy cashflow. At how much are you making right now a year? With, everything, retail all all your income. What's your annual income? Would you guess? Out Say ten thousand. It's not that much. Are you living at home with family then? I look at my boyfriend so he like helps majority of the bills. Okay, all right cool sounds good. Here's here's the thing that we're launching to do From the money perspective earlier, you said I really don't know. before we can move forward. We need to know where we currently are. So the very first thing is what you do. Do An assessment of your life I need you to pull your credit I. Need you to sit down and write down all of your debt on paper and everybody you. Oh! Once. You have it down. I need you to get on a strong budget then after you do that Linda I, want you to get a vision. You know exactly? Where do you see yourself going? And why do you want to go there all right? And I mean no disrespect to your boyfriend, but I. don't want to think about your boyfriend I was thinking about you. Where do you want to be in the next three to five years and Write that down then when you write that down on what you to take debt off of the table. and. then. We knew that here's the last thing. Due to plan figure out. What will take for me to accomplish my three to five year goes. And if that's a go to school, so you can become a medical assistant. Because so you can't get into the medical field. There are several several ways that you can go to school and get this education without racking up debt. Okay, so that's going to be my recommendation to you. and here's what I want to do because you're young sharp I want to stay on the line and we're going to give you a free. Free Ramsey plus you'll get financial peace university inside of that you don't get a free debt tracker and Y'all everydollar plus I wanted to get on solid plan and get the education, so you could be good for you and your future family. You feel filming. Saying did I answer your question. Yeah I love it. the thing is with the school is it's like twenty thousand yet or it's a typically? Yeah, what school is the only reason why I went to? The school is because it's convenient. Is Like Y say United Education Institute. You, why it is that the is that the cheapest one, not the cheapest one because I. don't believe no schools cheap that the most affordable one. Within your area now, some may require you to travel out some. It, not They're actually have food I can't pay cash to get the certificate, but I didn't have the money I. Don't have the money on hand. That's who pay the full amount they looking for. Okay all right all right all right now. When you say pay full on pay cash in hand, they they will not allow you to pay cash as you go per class per semester. As far as yes, payment plan, yes, Ma'am! Yes, they have payment plans, but at the time I didn't have the money to start it up. So he's to you, but a down payment down there you go, so here's what I wanted to do. Sounds like you have a decent job right now. What I'm going to pause like to wait until I can get some money to start paying towards education. Okay I'm not going to jump out there and get into debt I'm not gonNA jump out there and pay student loans back four or five years down the road for the next twenty years. I'm not going to do that, so there's nothing. Nothing wrong with you pausing? Would you gotTa Get a vision? You GotTa get a plan and you have to start using wisdom today so by this time next year you can be in school. You can get the certificate. You can get a debt free and our promise you. You will thank me twenty years down the road that the date dog say that's exactly right. I don't even think to add Linda you're you're you're holding your tomorrow game? I can hear that little voice over the radio. And I want you to look in the mirror and holding that little baby, and when she to say to both of you. Were worth doing this the right way. Anthony said it best. You can't count on anybody that you're living with you to look in the mirror and say I'm GonNa choose to do the things that's going to. Change Legacy. Create a new family tree for me and my baby. America. This is why I'm here. This is why. I am in Nashville Tennessee on the air right now. At three, twenty, five, three, twenty six. PM On this beautiful day. I love all people, but I really have a heart for young people. I really have a strong card for that eighteen to thirty four. I'm saying people in her fifties are not young. But what I am saying is I. Really have a heart for for the lenders are really have a heart for that twenty, three, twenty, four twenty five year old. That really wants to do better, but you can hear her voice like I really want to do better. That's exactly yeah. She's like how and so. If you're listening and if you're in that age bracket, I want you to go over to my youtube channel. Every single Monday and I'm I just told my team this the other day. Hey, you know what I want to go up to more shows every single Monday and Wednesday We're going to be releasing brand new shows on my youtube channel where we're teaching. Young people really how to. To become debt free how to go to school debt free how to pay off your student loans how to start a business how to build wealth how to really take control of your future how to start building a legacy at twenty five at twenty three at thirty years old, because I believe that as racket were missed, and here's the main reason. Why have such use passion for that age bracket? And Nineteen. I'm homeless sitting in the back of my car no-one taught me. How to you know what should I do with money? No one said Hey, when you get a paycheck, this is how you give are this is how you save. This is how you inves- no-one taught me how to start a business. No one told me they know you should avoid debt no-one no-one taught me that so for me. I'm like okay. I'm going to start teaching him. and so I'm telling you right now. You guys just filling. Filling in hard to say if you're young, if you know a young person I want them to follow me, follow me on Youtube youtubecom four slash Anthony O'Neill we have some amazing guests. You see other young people in their twenties payoff off dead have one hundred thousand dollars in savings account simply because of what Ramsey plus and I are teaching, and there's always gonNA. Be Some proprietary company that will say hey, take it alone. Come up here. We'll help you. 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We're talking about the Dave Ramsey show, Yup, the Chris. Hogan show the Voice Rachel Cruze my sister Khin. Khin Coleman the expert for careers Christy Wright entreleadership and one of my favorites, the Bar Future podcasts. You guys. All of this is in one place. You can browse by topic. Save your favorite clips and share them with your friends. Get better in every area of your life from your money to your career to your business, and even just your life imperium. Never again. Should you struggle to find the education and empowerment? You need to improve your life. To download our Ramsey network APP today in the APP store just search for Ramsey net work very cool stuff I love it. I mean I love it very cool stuff and pretty soon we're. Put the foul discussions on. Launching the John Show and so we're working through that and we're getting there the next next couple of three. Four five six seven weeks, and we're going to be ready rock and roll so I'm looking forward to it all rookie. We're GONNA. Get there, man. You coming up in the Mayor Ramsey network. No, that's good, and if you guys have not checked out Dr Dis Youtube is booming right now I, mean I. I cannot sit here and lie about that. You're doing it. Tell the world a little bit about your your Youtube Channel. And they were just talking about real things that happened real people at home, anxiety and Adhd and depression and relationships, and try just trying to figure out how to keep your heads on straight, and how to keep your relationships together in this bonkers Gonzo Tom. I love it I. Mean One thing I love about dot de. He's like me. We're not scared to talk about anything you know, and if you go over to his channel, he's talking about everything from racism. How to have the honest conversation he's. He's bringing in people that disagree with him, and they have an honest conversation. He's learning from people. He's teaching people. He's helping a lot of people, so you guys go to YouTube dot com for slash John, Baloney, Yup Go check him out. Guys subscribe because I'm telling you he. is nothing like it I mean he doesn't look like none of the other personalities. He has his own niche which I love and respect, so check him out, so we're going to keep this conversation going. We're going to go out to Tampa Florida and have a conversation a whiff for Nano for not oh, did I say your name correctly man? Fernando. Man. How do we help man? Thanks for calling in. How can we help? On. This is really surreal. Never really done something like this. Man. my question is I'm currently nineteen. I attending school full time Community College. learn the hard way that a deal do. Luckily with first year calm when I'm also working part time as a full-time hours as well to pay for college, so my friend is to have I have no debt currently and graduating and by twenty, twenty, three, twenty twenty four area with a bachelor's degree, and hopefully I can. Continue for with that. You're stud for an endo. Hey, you're. The Heck Yeah what's your degree going to be an Fernando? Biomedical Sciences Become Exploited Therapist. Credible man good for you Fernando. Are you single? Stay single man stay single. So, how can we? Question for today. My question is I've currently had A. Coming realize moment that I need to like to. Not have this generational poverty that my father's side had given. I'm live living. My mother have been living there for the past seventeen years. He's been mean her a little bit of death law. So, we love you and you gotTa say you're really managed to be real. So, I really want to change that and I currently got scholarships of about in a savings and scholarships about fifteen thousand dollars to pay for my bachelors, and hopefully masters everything that cash as well and I personally i. on route to save about two thousand dollars in the next two months, and by next December twenty three thousand dollars in personal savings. I'd like to know what. I should do with this money since I'm living at home. My mother and she'd be helping me. lived there with her for a few more years up until bashers and have a good career I'd like to know what I should do. This money that that isn't making. Money like I'm sleeping unsleeping making, money. I guess that's the term yeah I see. What you're asking pretty much is what should you do? You invest it wisely sleeping Why are you working? Why out there doing then you can have some maybe some compound interest working in favor. Here's a very first sanitary right now. Fernando. Don't worry about that right now. Okay I don't want to worry about making more money. I think this generation. That's not just this generation. All people were quick. How do we make more money? How do we make more money? Here's the thing. It really doesn't matter how much money you make. It matters about what you do with the money. You currently have in right now. You are a smart young man. you have fifteen thousand dollars. Savings account at nineteen years old. You have more money more money than nearly seventy percent of the people in the world right now are cash sitting in your bank account. Here's what you need to be doing for needed to write this down, okay? I need you to get a clear vision. I just said as soon. The young lady earlier I'm a keep repeating this on the air. Get Clear Vision which you write down where you going, you said you WANNA get into a particular field into the physical health field. That's great. Okay, get a clear plan. I want you to stick to that plan and went to the Graduate College. One hundred percent debt free no credit cards. No student loans no car payments I want you to pay cash for every single thing. Here's something I really wanted to do. Because your mother's you hero! Give your mom's money. Say Thank you. Cut a check to your mom for five hundred thousand numbers. Take good care of her Because one of my goals is when I get older, I have two mothers and two fathers. stepparents, biological parents and I'm GonNa pay my parents house off. Because of all the drama I'll put them through my young days so anytime. You can generously Say Mama thank you, you know, say, thank you. Get into the habit of being a giver because that will bless you now if you have college paid for. Here's what you can do. Okay as long as on your plane. Plane. You have college completely paid for and you taking care of your mom. You're not just taking advantage of the situation than I wanted to go ahead and open up a Roth IRA and go ahead, and MAC set out in the year twenty twenty is about six grand year, but if you can put money into that now at nineteen years old oh man. You're going to be a millionaire. Right around the corner to be honest with you, but before you do roth, Ira I want to make sure that you're getting through college. One hundred percent debt free so Fernando. I'M GONNA learn here to from the master here, Anthony. Would he take that twenty five thousand bucks? Is it okay just to put that in in a checking? Account or savings account since he's got a plan for the next twenty four months for that to pay off school. Money Market Account Yeah. Matter. It doesn't really matter. Here's a key thing. We we teach three to six months of expenses set aside and so well he would do his part that into a money, market, account or it for I would suggest for his age to go do a high yield savings account online. Okay, so that we he'll get a little bit more interest. Keep some money in a savings account and I know you already. Already thinking like can't. He enjoyed that a little bit. You can enjoy a little bit, but the key thing is make sure that you cover your priority and his number. One priority is to get through college debt free. He may need that money to purchase a car. His car situation right now, so Fernando Gift Through College Debt Free Get number one priority. Tell Mama. Thank you buy her a nice little purse. Away for weekend. 'cause mom worked hard the number three. If you cover these things without wrecking any dead may ahead and part that money into a Roth, IRA and I'm telling you right now. It's going to be amazing high stay on the line I'm GonNa send you a copy? Of Dave Ramsey's. We'll call total money makeover, and if you take advantage, and if you read this book, man you. John He's going to be a millionaire. How guaranteed before? He turned thirty, five, forty, I'm going. Be Nice to Fernando. Because if Dave ever let's go go for him. Fernando. You're going to do it. Man Congratulations, congratulations. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Today scripture in quote. For I know the plans. I have for you declares the Lord Plans for Welfare Not for evil to give you a future and a hope Jeremiah Twenty nine eleven. John F. Kennedy said change is the law of life, and those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future. Go out to Kansas City Missouri and have a conversation both Laurie Laurie. How can adopt the day myself help? Hi guys so excited to be talking to you. I have a question about saving for college and transforming anxiety into confidence. I am a single mom to eleven year old daughter I started following Dave Ramsey's advice in. Two thousand, seventeen and I've made a monthly budget ever since then became debt free, and then two weeks ago, I bought a house with one hundred percent down payment. Way Way. This leaving. Knocking it out of the parts, so it should be like elated, but instead I'm like so hyper focused on saving for my daughter's College. And then I'm anxious about it, so I still can't stop. Being does ten. So Laurie real quick before Dundee really. Simpson helps you out here, How how much was your house? Thirty, thousand, you paid a hundred and thirty thousand dollars cash for your house. Did. How are you? Thirty nine, I. One you are. Congratulate Hungry. So. Let me. Ask you a few questions. Did you get divorced a few years ago. I sure did. Where did you get divorced? It was finalized in two thousand seventeen. Right around when I found Dave Ramsey now so. Just in a couple of sentences, tell me what that experience was like for you. and it was an awakening I. You know I felt like I wasn't financial responsible, and it was time for me. It'd be an amateur Dole, and be able to be financially independent and take care of my daughter on my own. So. Walk me back right before that you had a great job of glossing over which I appreciate and that means you've got some well fortified a defense mechanisms and I appreciate them. What was the experience of the divorce like? Was it exciting and exhilarating, or was it devastating? I was numb. Actually It took me about a year before I finally walked away, it was not a healthy relationship. And so one of the I think one of the most challenging things when when folks go through divorce is obviously the divorce, right? You are losing a part of you especially. If you've got a kid, you've been together for ten years five years. You've got some time. This is a human being is woven into their part of you. But there's another loss that nobody talks about. And that is the loss of trust in yourself. Right. And suddenly you find yourself Laurie. I thought I. Love this person I thought. I was strong. I thought this and this and this and all of a sudden. I don't trust Laurie anymore. And what often happens. Is you jump into the next? Strong. Sure thing which in your case praise, God was the baby steps was a trust, a guy that America's trusted for thirty years just to tell you the truth in simple easy ways. And now you're at the other end of that now you working on becoming a millionaire now you working on writing a check for your kids college with a smile on your face. And what slowly starts to happen when you get on the back end of that as you start to realize, I still have to deal with the loss of trust in Laurie. And so at some point you've you've you've by this point? Hopefully, you've you've grieved the separation from your ex-husband. You are Kickin, but financially you are. Tell right now. You're a great mom who loves her daughter in his already thinking about tomorrow's GonNa. Be Daughter. That's awesome. I Want Laurie to be able to look in the mirror, entrust Lori. And if you have done that, that's incredible. My Gut tells me that when you're getting to the end, and now you're not able to enjoy this debt free house. You're already thinking okay. Now needed to go to this anytime. You think of the words I need to and I should. That's the old anxiety coming up. That's the old I don't quite trust Laurie yet and I'm looking for the next plan to get on and so I. Want you to get with the community. I want you to get with a counselor. I want you to get with some folks at a local church and I. Want you to look backwards over the last four years at every step along the way where you have been successful you. You have one and you have done well, and you have honored your family and you find yourself. You are a champion. Laurie. You've done it and the only person in your world. That doesn't recognize US right now. Is You and I? Want to for whatever it's worth I. WanNa free you from that now I. Don't think I have the power to do that, but it sounded cool on the radio. And I want you to get surrounded by some folks that you trust, and can be vulnerable and start rebuilding the trust in Laurie because man. The rest of your your life. You and your daughter are going to be a force to be reckoned with, and you're growing powerful, strong, beautiful, brilliant, strong, future woman to and you've laid the foundation for her. Love it going out of Charleston South. Carolina last call for today. We're GONNA have a conversation with Tucker a real quickly. Tucker. How can not doubt deny help man? Hey! How's it going, guys? Thanks for taking my call uniform. How can we help? so I had a question currently I'm nineteen years old and I. Have a time job. I'm about thirteen thousand dollars in debt, and I'm looking at first started following the show looking to get paid off within the next ten months and I forget it paid off. I have a plan of where I WANNA be in about the next five or six years and I want to franchise for the company I'm working for. And, in order to do that, I have to have. At, least one hundred thousand dollars and liquid capital effort pretty much. The question I have is effort. My debt paid off What would you recommend to be the best thing for me to do with money afterwards to keep it liquid, but? Keep it making me money, or you know what I mean. Yeah, that's a good question. Man I love the Fed Ed nineteen years old. You pretty much. Have you have a clear vision? It sounds like all right. The first thing is get out of debt number two. It's in an next five years after I get out of debt, I wanna go ahead and I have one hundred thousand dollars put towards a franchise at the company. Question what's the name of the company Real Quick Tucker? it's. UPS Okay Oh subsurface gazettes I like those subs minhas Gustav. I like that hundred. Thousand dollars working. I've been working with them for for about Both since I was fifteen, I just turned eighteen last week and I'm working with them since I was fifteen and I just integrity got a job running a store for bigger company, but he runs about forty of them and You know it's really opened my eyes to the fact that I could I could franchises company within the next six or seven years for sure eleven had built my. Friend Tucker. Are they trying to talk you into? A FRANCHISEE loan program! Oh not at all. No good deal, good deal, steer clear that man that's that's the that's the Franchisee trap. Good for you. Yeah, took a smart. That's why he's calling us because he. No, we don't we don't do. Not over here in the Ramsey show. Tucker, here's an. Here's the thing you got to work for five years. Okay, and so what I want you to do is I want to go ahead and get the money. Okay, you're going to be out of debt. do not reciprocity. Let do not let anyone talking borrowing the money degrading at the money, just parking to like a high yield savings account. 'CAUSE you're right. You need to keep it liquid. I don't want you to lock into a an investment account because that's going to be long term. Guess what are wanting to do, go ahead and work hard. Okay in stack the money. You need to be living way below your means because when you do become a owner of this particular company EMI. If you do it right, you could be owner by the age of Twenty Five, twenty six. You start making profit right around twenty, eight, twenty, nine thirty, and you have years and years in front of you a really go hard, and I just love it so just parking into a money market account or into a savings account and you strike. Okay and the temptation Anthony. is to try, to get fancy. Right, try to shortcut the money try to. Stack on this and then I can I can. I can take peel some often invest in this and. What you're saying is. Just. Follow Your own plan and just just just follow the steps. I mean aspirin pretty much all. I'm saying Dave built an empire off of cash We are building our brands off of cash. It is possible. It is possible man. He's been fun. Bro, thank you. Yeah, I, WANNA. Thank our producer James. And filling in for our associate producer Kelly Daniel, the one and only Zack Bennett on phones. Remember you guys. The caliber of our financial future will be determined by the decisions. You and I made today made the right because. This is Dave Ramsey show. Hi It's Kelly, associate producer and phone screener for the Dave Ramsey show. If you'd like to your debt, free scream, live on the show. Make sure you visit Z dot com slash show and register. We would love for you to come to Nashville. Tell your story. 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Episode 24: Sheila Vakharia Connects the Dots between Harm Reduction and Social Work

Drugs and Stuff

38:12 min | 1 year ago

Episode 24: Sheila Vakharia Connects the Dots between Harm Reduction and Social Work

"Mm-hmm. Welcome to drugs and style a podcast from the drug policy alliance. Blue and welcome to another episode of jugs and stuff the podcast from drug policy alliance. My name's Gabriela Mira's, I'm the manager of multimedia design here at DPA, and I'm so excited to welcome my colleague, Dr Sheila Ikaria Sheila is a researcher at the office of academic engagement here at DP. A and she has such an interesting background. She started as social worker and moved into academia and finally ended up here at DP. A and she's an incredible asset to the organization. Thank you so much Sheila for taking the time to speak with me today. I'm happy to be here. Thank you. Great. So Sheila, you have a really interesting background kind of the road that you took to get here. So I'm just going to dive right in and ask, you know. How did you end up in your current role at DP like what's the road that got you here? Wow. Well, that's a big question. I feel like in. No way was it a straight path or one that I could have envisioned or imagined for myself. I feel like when I look back and try to leave a cohesive narrative to really understand how I got here. I I sometimes have to stop and reflect and think about what was going through my head when I made that decision because actually my background is in clinical practice. So when I was growing up, I thought I was going to be therapist. And so in thinking that believing that seem natural to me to choose a bachelor's degree in clinical and social psychology and to dig deep into these different theories of human behavior to learn different clinical counseling skills because that really just felt like where I wanted to be. I wanted to help people wanted help people solve problems, and I wanted to build relationships with people, and so clinical psychology seemed like the best fit. I had lots of internships over. For the summers. When I was in college at different clinical placements, I had his summer internship in London at the detox at the Florence Nightingale hospital, which I was really formative for me because I think it was really my first exposure to working with people who use drugs and people who are trying to figure out how to live lives without drugs. And prior to that, I really hadn't had much personal personal exposure to drug use let alone perhaps problematic or chaotic drug user addiction. And I felt like it really opened my eyes. I and so many different kinds of people received services that detox all different walks of life, all different kinds of experiences, and here they all were receiving treatment together. And although it was a really interesting experience. I still hadn't even after that experience necessarily decided which population I wanted to work with clinically. But it definitely was one of those things that stuck with me. And then it was time to go to grad. The school because unfortunately, at least in the US, you can't really do much counselling or clinical work with a bachelor's degree. And it was then when I heard of social programs that I realized that a lot of my internships, actually were with social workers MSW's people who were doing the clinical work, I was interested in, but who are also committed to addressing social Justice issues who understood the role of race class gender structural oppression and various other systems, and it seemed like social work was the way to go. And so I got my MSW and again funny enough my second year, internship, ended up being in drug and alcohol treatment setting where I was working in an outpatient modality and folks were coming in for treatment. And I was there to do a Susman's in groups and again very much in the clinical work. And then realizing, you know, why it maybe maybe working in the field of addiction is actually something that I'm actually really interested in maybe these are my people, and I did that. But the challenge of working in that setting for me was that I was realizing that most of my clients were mandated to treatment and being mandated to treatment and meant that they were often choosing treatment over jail, and or often choosing treatment over having a lose their kids or choosing treatment because it was a way to get access to the social services that they needed, and I realized that that wasn't really choosing treatment at all. And that people aren't really being given choices and that I was complicit in systems that we're using treatment as as a means for control and part of how we were also providing treatment was really grounded in twelve step orientation, and there's nothing wrong with twelve steps. And a and a However I felt like that was the only tool in our toolbox for teaching people how to think about their drug use and their experiences, and I really struggled with being provider who was telling people they had a disease and that the only way to address their disease was through. Rendering and accepting their powerlessness and going to meetings, and that they could never use any substances ever again. And I was really getting disenchanted, but I still wanted to do the clinical work. And so in this kind of rash move. I just wanted to leave leave the setting do something different. And I was like let me move to New York and see what kind of jobs, I can find. And so I got a job at a needle exchange complete one eighty and the the logic. But I that guided that decision if I can tell you what was going through my twenty four twenty five year old brain was that if no one's mandated to come here and people are coming. They want syringes then people will come and get what they need. And there's no there will be no pressure on them to to to to be there on anyone else's terms other than their own and that perhaps could have real relationships with my clients grounded in respect and choice. And atonomy rather than in being forced course to be there. I mean oftentimes in the previous setting that I worked in. I was the one calling PEOs and telling them that my clients had tested positive on a drug screen because that was part of my job. I was behold into those systems to and so I was like, well if no one's watching over us. Maybe we can actually do some really good work and really get to the issues that are of concern to folks. And so I did that and over the years of doing that gradually became acting director of the needle exchange and realized again, maybe administration wasn't the top goal for me like running a program wasn't my key strengths. So I started reevaluating. What do I wanna do? I still want to do therapy. Do I still want to work in the nonprofit sector? What do I wanna do? And it was then when I spoke to my mentor, and he said bull. This doesn't just have to be the only path for you. Have you ever thought about getting a PHD? And so. Oh, it was at that moment that I thought maybe yes. 'cause I really didn't receive a lot of count content on addiction or substance use in any of my clinical training, all all that. I learned about addictions with through my direct practice in any studying that I did on my own. And he's like, well, maybe you need to be the voice of harm reduction in social work. Maybe you need to be that professor who teaches exposes students to a different way of looking at substance use and looking at their clients and looking at their work. And so that's what I did. I went got my PHD, and then I got a job right away at LSU in Brooklyn. And I taught classes only two students in the w program who are interested in substance use. And I got to talk about drugs and addiction and away that was informed by harm reduction. That was informed by the evidence that wasn't fearmongering. That was an extreme that was really about compassion and working with people where they're at and I loved it. But I also started getting a little itchy there in that. I was like is this. Is this what I wanna do is? Is there more for me? And so in my free time, I started getting involved in the community volunteering learning about different events that were happening being hosted by different organizations like DPA going out and learning about drug policy in a way beyond just what I was learning when I was going through my PHD program about what people were doing to address the issues of today and through all of that. I just realized there was still more that I could offer beyond what I was doing an academic teaching the next generation of social workers, I could be affecting change today in a different way. And so when the position opened up at the office of academic engagement, and I was heavily heavily persuaded to apply. Yeah. Opted to make the change. So that's a bit of a long long explanation of what brought me here. But in no way, was it a straight path there were various points when I thought, oh, this is just going to be the job that I'm going to have. And then something happened. And I didn't want to do that. Anymore? That happens to a lot of us. I mean, it might be a meandering path. But when things don't quite feel like the right fit you to move on to something else. That's pretty amazing. So you talked about how you know, you didn't really have a lot of exposure to people who use drugs those kinds of populations especially problematic drug use until you are working in London. So before all of that, you know, even growing up what were your kind of ideas about an around drug use? I I had friends who socially used. And so I definitely knew it was a reality for some people to wanna try substances or twenty use them. And of course, all of this being the same time when I was an alcohol user, right? So. I think I had an internalized as much stigma as other people had about illicit drugs or the drugs that are are not legal. But I think that because I knew people who use them and who were fine. Good people and people who were important to me in my circles that in my networks, but there was still a lot that I needed to to deconstruct even when I did move into the treatment settings. And even those of us who think were the most open minded realize the areas where we need to grow and change, and dispel myths and stereotypes and so much of what I learned from working with Miami's in clients over the years, but also all the reading and self taught stuff that happened over the years really helped me to challenge so much of what I believed. So I'd say that. I perhaps was more open minded than some. But I could have been more open minded, and thankfully, I had experiences an openness and a willingness to challenge them to get to where I am today. And I still know that there's probably plenty I need to still work on. Yeah. I mean, it's a process, right? We're always growing and changing in our in our perspectives and our beliefs in working as a professor at LSU. What were some of the misconceptions or stigmas that you've found that your students held and were they able to challenge. Those over the course of in learning from you. Yeah. I mean, definitely my students. Some of my students had more personal exposure to substance, use and problematic. Houston addiction than I did. Some of them came with their own lived experience of identifying as being addicted once or having substance use disorder. Plenty of people talked about having family members or loved ones who had. Who had either gone through a period in leg in their lives? They used problematically or were currently, and so, you know, working with them to to be able to put aside sometimes our own very challenging and painful experiences and to think about how can that help me be better in my own clinical work? And like, what do I see is like the areas that I still need to grow into able to truly put myself in this work and treat every client in front of me like a new person, and and not bring perhaps my old kind of transference. My own counter. Transference rather into my work because I think that the more we work in fields that are very closely personally tied sometimes it can bring up a lot of her own personal issues that can then play out an impact how we provide services and how we work with clients. So I did spend a lot of time with my with my students talking about how their own personal experiences can sometimes play out. In their work, which was. Interesting and important to to do. But also they held a lot of the same stereotypes and myths that I did as well. You know, we were all products of dare, you know, we all had gone through this, you know, through this so called, you know, prevention programming that taught us that, you know, certain drugs. No matter how many times you've done them are fundamentally addictive sustain away altogether. You know, this idea of hard drug versus soft-drug ideas about the permanence of of having a problem that it can that only treatment can help you overcome it when we know that actually the vast majority of people who develop problems to substances also resolve those problems without treatment, and that for many as well abstinence isn't necessarily the path to their recovery's. Some people can still use other substances or can cut down or moderate their use of the substance did once cause a problem for them. I think I also had to work pretty hard on dispelling ideas about harm reduction, and what it means to give someone a sterile syringe into be with them and know that they're still using and to sit with them into feel like you're still working towards change in progress, and that change in progress in recovery can look different for different people, and that truly connecting and helping people can look like a lot of different things, and that helped doesn't eat to look one way. Specifically when you're talking about people who use drugs, so that was a lot of a lot of what I worked on with my students. Yeah. I mean coming from this deep social work background. But also having such a passion for harm reduction and kind of the the research and science behind addiction and substance use. How do you feel that you're very unique background in? I mean, do you feel like you are a unique kind of like a unicorn in the field where you have the you have this kind. Varied background or are there? Others like you. I think everyone in harm reduction has an interesting funny quirky story. And so mine is my own quirky story. I do think that perhaps one of the things that he distinguishes my experience from others is that first of all I don't have an addiction background myself and still chose this work because I do feel like it's very rare to find people who choose clinical work in the addictions, and particularly in harm reduction who don't have some personal connection. Some people kind of know that they're really interested in research from the beginning or they choose research. That's clinically informed after they've been to clinic like done clinical work. So I've been a clinician. And now I want to do research on therapy is a pretty direct path, but choosing to shift all the way to policy can make it a little different. So there's a few little points in there where I don't always see people or meet people who have made those same. Leaps, but we all have interesting stories. That's definitely true. I mean, that's why we got you here today. Talking to us. Yeah. You're definitely interesting. So you're a self-described in-house nerd at DPA. So what about research and kind of policy the policy side is so appealing to you. And what you know both. What do you love about it? And also what kind of challenges and limitations? Do you find that? It has of course, bursaries it's a little different than working kind of one on one in those kinds of setting. So any thoughts on the? Yeah. I mean, I think getting the PHD and deciding that the PHD was the next step for me made me realize how interesting methodology and design and questions can be and being able to explore the answers to questions Ted to discover something new. I don't. Think I necessarily had that appreciation all through my undergrad, even through my MSW. I don't think I was really all that interested in research. It was something that evolved as a result of my experiences and understanding that there were still so many things that we didn't know, but understanding how much did. No. And how he had found that out. But why was it that so much of the good research that supports harm reduction and supports humanistic approaches? Why wasn't that as readily accessible, and why was it that people still struggle to accept it? I think all of those things drove Nida to research. And I think one of the interesting challenges of being a researcher here at DPA is that despite all these piles and piles of studies that we collect and read and and think through their implications for policy, and what that all means is that fundamentally at the end of the day very few policy decisions are actually guy. Added by research. It's often that it's values and emotions and feeling persuaded. But it's not always numbers that persuade people. It's often stories and things that you've experienced that do so it's a funny contradiction. I've come to value research so much at something. I think about a lot I spent a lot of time reading it. I know how important it is. I love talking to researchers learning about them learning about what they're doing. But it's this funny contradiction in that it's so important to me, and it's obviously important to this organization, but it's not always what guides policy. So it's this also this tragedy. Oh, yeah. I mean, we even see especially today like in, you know, our current administration government administration. There's there sometimes what feels like a blatant disregard for things based in science and factually based things it's just you know, if people are choosing to ignore certain things than what can we really do other than continue try, so. Yeah. So it's it's funny. How yeah. Part of my job is to constantly be calling the literature. Seeing what's out there finding studies that support our work or finding studies that could challenge our work and thinking about what to do with this information are the studies that challenge our work or perhaps contradict some of our stances or that would make our policy. Stances more challenging to sell are the study's actually really well designed. Is it just that certain studies got a lot of press because there's something flashy about the headline or the university that that hosted the researcher had a really good press office that was able to put out a press release in journalists picked up on it. But upon closer examination are the findings really persuasive. Are they truly grounded in strong methodology the analytical approach really come to these conclusions. So so that's that's another element of job that I find really really interesting is even when studies sometimes look like, you know, oh, what are we going to do with this data? Sometimes it's also about thinking through was designed in a way that that is really telling us this information or could this have been designed differently. So yeah, I get to use lots of different parts of my brain in thinking that stuff through there ever been any instances, whether it's since working DP were. In your previous jobs, where something that you've read or researched has really caused a shift in in the beliefs that you hold. Yeah. I mean, I think the book that really one of the books that really changed the way that I think was vote by Stanton Peele called the diseasing of America. And actually there were quite a few books that I read during my doctoral program that changed the way I think, but I the way in which he really questioned this permanent lifelong disease state, and that actually there's a history to looking at addiction as a disease that is rooted in older spiritual traditions rooted in Judeo Christian beliefs of some of our founding fathers here the ways in which the evolution of alcoholics anonymous, actually influence some of these. Models. But also was influenced by these models the ways in which we as a society are still dealing with the fact that we have a medical system that's trying to tell us that addiction is a medical disease or that, you know, the National Institute of drug abuses, telling us here that addiction is a brain disease. And then we have folks in the alcoholics anonymous and narcotics anonymous, the twelve step world who say that it's actually a spiritual disease, and that perhaps people have certain predispositions, and this idea like what is this construction of disease really due to sometimes be a helpful tool in getting some people to kind of understanding conceptualize their own experiences or those of others and in what ways can it help build compassion. But in what ways can it still be used as a weapon to stigmatize and one to justify coercion paternalism and doing things for. Someone's own good because they don't know what's better for them. So I mean, I'd say that that book was really influential and in getting Nita think all of this through because even though I've worked in a traditional treatment setting where we did talk about the disease model addiction, and as soon as I left that for harm-reduction setting just through that construct out of my vocabulary unless my clients wanted to talk about, you know, having a disease, and then it was like, okay. Let's let's explore what that means to you. But I'd never really thought about the roots in the origins and the ways that Severi. Even the idea of addiction as diseases very American and a uniquely American construction. I just never had thought any of that stuff through anti-fouling that that book was really I opening for me. And really took me on a course to start reading different people of who wrote about theories of maturation that people can grow out of of substance use that a lot of people. You know, you you have to contest July's someone's experience of addiction or problematic use within what else is going on in their lives. What other circumstances? What's happening that oftentimes substance uses a proactive response an attempt to cope? Yeah. Anyway, that I say that that opened me up. Yeah. So you mentioned earlier the idea for your own good and coerce treatment. And we have a conference coming up on San Francisco. Oh may sixteen lay sixteenth seventeenth. So can you talk a little bit about that? And kind of the idea behind it. And what kinds of things will be explored there? Sure sure, I'm part of the planning committee. So I do have colleagues on my committee who would probably be better suited to answer more detailed questions, but what I can tell you is that increasingly across the country, as you know, awareness seems to be growing that, you know, people with untreated substance use disorder need help what we're seeing is increased bills and laws being passed across the country that allow for putting someone into holding. If you think they're in risk at risk for harming themselves or others or bills like the one in San Francisco, which is a conservative ship law that kind of wood again coerce people with untreated, mental health and substance use problems into treatment against their will. And so our colleague Laura Thomas who's the deputy? Rector of our California policy office was really concerned about seeing this happening in San Francisco. And so she pulled together bunch of us colleagues to say like why don't we put together a conference that challenges idea that coercion is the only way to get people to get help. And why don't we bring together some of the best minds in both the mental health and disability spaces and in the substance use spaces to talk about the research of coercive treatment will we know actually about whether it works or not why don't we bring in people's lived experiences who've had to actually who've actually been subjected some of this coercion and bring together providers and other folks to talk about the ways in which systems can actually really bring a lot more harm than good. And then to talk about what a world free of coercive treatment could look like. And so we've got a series of panels scheduled all day long on the sixteenth in which we bring together. People lived experience providers. Researchers and. All kinds of other folks to present share this information, and then actually on Friday, the seventeenth will have a whole full day of workshops where people can actually hands on talk about ways in which you can make your settings more inclusive for people who might be experiencing crisis. How can you actually get involved with the movement to push back against this conservative Bill being discussed in San Francisco and other kinds of workshops, so we're actually really excited you can get more information by going to vent bright and looking up for your own good. And you can register for the conference all day, it's free, and you can also register for workshops on the seventeenth. Yes. Oh, any of our listeners who are in the bay area hope to see you there. And yes, so I actually saw you speak at a another conference that we recently had around supervised consumption space sites. And I think they kinda share a common theme. Team in that there's a lot of societal whether preconceived notions or misconceptions around these kinds of issues that were trying to combat by looking at them as like a multifaceted kind of concept to know like you might think of it this way. But have you considered these other perspectives or these other sides of the issue? So in your work, you speak a lot about kind of the or focus on the language around these issues, so for you know, around course, treatment or supervise spaces or any other kind of drug policy related issues. What are some of the things that you look out for in in the language that we're using around those issues? So I think we I mean there there's been more generally a move towards person centered language in a lot of mental health spaces in the substance use spaces and in the disability spaces as well. Because the probably use words like addict or alcohol IQ or schizophrenic is that we put first someone's diagnosis there perhaps their health condition before we put that person. And what it does is it sometimes can turn someone from a multifaceted person into a one dimensional person. And what happens is we'll meet turn people into one dimensional beings. They lose the the nuance that we afford ourselves and others, and it makes it easier to sometimes dehumanize them, or to assume that they're not as much like you as they. Perhaps may be really are. It can be used as distancing tool, and it can also make it hard to have empathy and compassion. So, you know, move that we've seen here in the harm reduction space is to to really move away from words like addict an alcoholic and also to to move towards putting the person I and you know, to talk about people who use drugs, right? And when we talk about people who use drugs. And we let drugs be a loose broad category rather than elicit drug or illicit drug or legal drug or illegal drug. We create much more broad ways of understanding substances and the ways in which more people than not Hughes various substances, and it helps us to tear down some of those distinctions. It also helps us resist the urge to label one person's use as as one way versus mine as being another. And it helps us create these broader categories that can then perhaps help us to expand compassion and and care rather than stigma. Although at times, it is important for us to to talk about problematic, you so, you know, people who use drugs problematically or people who may use chaotically or people who might experience. Fiction or have substance use disorders because sometimes it is also important not to minimize the fact that some of us who perhaps can control our moderate are us are privileged in the ways in which we might not then have to experience certain consequences that other people have to write or that. We should also acknowledge that despite the fact that perhaps all people use drugs, not all of us. Equally will suffer the consequences for that use not all of us may equally be targeted or police for our use not all of us will be equally stigmatized for our use. And so by still putting the person I whether it's to say that a person who uses drugs or a person uses drugs problematically, we're still acknowledging someone's humanity. And when you acknowledge someone's humanity, hopefully, it's harder to wanna take their rights away or to justify being tough or harsh or punitive. And hopefully it. Helps us to see that they're entitled to the same things that we are. That's the aim. Yeah. Which I think is what makes what we do here. So much more than just drugs so much more than just drug policy. It's really like a human rights issue is a much larger piece of the puzzle. And the I mean, what do you find most rewarding about about the work that you do here? What I find most rewarding about the work is knowing that I'm helping so it's funny that I'm not helping maybe in the more more traditional senses. But as a researcher at this organization the way that I feel like I'm I'm helping and supporting is by directly supporting my staff, and my colleagues who are out there doing the policy advocacy work in giving them the tools, and the research and arming them with facts and data to go out there and be able to do there. Jobs and to feel prepared in any way that they may need to feel prepared. You know, plenty of my colleagues have a better grasp on the research than I do and have plenty of areas of expertise, and sometimes the most helpful that I can feel to folks like that is to just be like, hey, here's the twenty nineteen paper that came out saying that same thing that you've been saying for five years, and maybe put this in your back pocket too. Whereas sometimes a new study comes out that's done different kind of analysis. That is looking at things a little bit differently. And then I feel like, oh, I'm getting a chance to open my colleagues mine's a little bit to let them know that this new finding came out or this is what this new number this new analysis came out. And this is the numbers so feeling like, I'm helping or feeling like, I'm, you know, supporting my colleagues is I think the best part of my job another part of my job that I really like is being able to plan cool conferences in like the one we just talked about. But I also one of the first things I did when I got. Hired was I was put in charge of putting together our stimulants conference. We actually in September of twenty seventeen in Los Angeles hosted a conference to really focus on stimulant drugs. So what we meant by that was cocaine and methamphetamine and prescription amphetamines and to talk about what it is that we really know about populations that perhaps use stimulants in a high risk manner to understand what harm reduction interventions are best suited for people who you stimulants to explore the best treatment methods that work to help people who might be struggling with their stimulant use. And then to discuss more broader issues moving forward about future treatment needs and things that we need to be still working on in that area. And it was really exciting to to do the research to put the conference together to find the right people to work with my colleagues and identifying who those people were and to see that event through and then to write the recommendation. Paper that came out of it, highlighting the lessons we learned and sharing those because I think one of the cool things about what we do here at DP is we're always thinking about how do we broach the next topic? How do we identify the next issue? How do we stay on the cutting edge, and we did that conference in two thousand seventeen right around when states across the west the west coast and increasingly some states east of the Mississippi were starting to notice spikes in the involvement of stimulant drugs in the overdose crisis, and that although we know that over sixty percent of overdose deaths across the country are driven by opioids and certain parts of the country. It's more than sixty percent. But that poly poly, substance use or poly pharmacy having more than one class of drug in your body was actually driving most of the overdose deaths. And what we're seeing was that stimulants were starting to take up of bigger slice of that pie. And so to be at the cutting edge of that conversation about what we what we know. About stimulants. Would we not know about stimulants had a treat them how to help people who are still using to stay safe and stay alive was really exciting. And I feel like it's I think it was an important conversation for us to be part of. And I'm glad that we were part of it. And that and that we as an organization are thinking that through. And I think that with this coercion conferences, well, we're just trying to to be in the conversation to bring the right people together to think these things through as well into raise awareness among the public that. Although sometimes it may feel right to to to make decisions for other people that actually there's a lot of ramifications to that. And that there are other models that we could be adopting to to really get people help if that's what we want. But sometimes we talk about coercion. And we really mean punitive nece too. And I think we need to challenge that as well. Great. Thank you so much Sheila. It's just wonderful having you here, not only on the podcast, but you know, at drug policy alliance. Says such a voice of compassion and curiosity, and you know, I think what you said about being open minded and challenging your own beliefs as well as others beliefs is something that is really crucial in this fight. That's ongoing. You know? So thank you. Thanks. Thanks for tuning into today's episode and huge thanks to our mazing guest. Dr Sheila Ikaria, if you wanna learn more about the multifaceted work that she does you can follow her on Twitter. 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Lady Lessons: Fertility

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Lady Lessons: Fertility

"Well this welcome to the lady gang to sit at again. Things are about to change around here each week. We catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl. Posse kilty night Becca Tobin. Jack Vanik. Hello Hello Hello, everyone was so weird. It's usually doing matt welcome to the Lady Gang and welcome to a very special episode of the show this summer we've teamed up with Vince Komodo to present lady lessons a five part series here, Unladen Gang, so after wrote our book. We realize there were other topics in our lady life that we wanted to do. A deeper dive into the upcoming curriculum includes conversations about fertility finances, race, career and And Mental. Health Vince Komodo is the perfect partner for US based on their brand values of empowerment, passion, integrity, loyalty, and self expression things that we see every day with you, Our lady game, community and speaking of community, the topics and questions you here in the series will be community sourced, and we can't wait to hear what you think without further ado on behalf of Vince, Komodo we present this week's lady. Lessen The lady gay. Our guest today is the fertility specialist. We've all been waiting for. And although we've been labelled as unrelatable by TV, viewers for not being MOM's. It may be today that you find out. Some of us are actually trying. What if my eggs are really cooked as I mentioned in the book act like a lady. This is here to tell us an answer. All of our egg excessive ha question. Board Certified OB G A reproductive endocrine geologist. I'm saying that criminologist. He's been published internationally not to mention. He has a whole lot of awards, honors and recognition while being fluent in French. Spanish. Kosta and Farsi Edano that one and two more right. Yes, okay, WHOA! What's better than us? Technology Technique with IVF egg donation and surrogacy that have patients traveling from around the world to see him at the San Diego fertility. Centre please welcome to the lady. Gang Dr Donna -ment. Thank you so much guilty. Thank A. Vitamin on your show, and it's a pleasure to connect with all of your listeners. So before we Kinda, get into it. I know that what you do is something that you probably get. A lot of people are ages thirty S. you know thirtyish, Twenty Six, twenty seven yes. Yes, exactly right and and They come to because you know they've spent their entire lives trying not to get pregnant right and being so scared everytime there period was laid, and then you wake up in your thirties, and especially in our generation where career woman we have things going on, and we wait until later in our thirties to even think about a family, and then it's almost too late, and then it's hard, and so, what is the the time that you wish? All women and men went and got tested their fertility tested If they WANNA, have candy. Issue is that men continue produce firm into their. Their forties and fifties and sixties does equality of sperm decrease overtime. Yes, that's it. It affected by smoking and other potential habits excessive drinking. Yes, but they still continues to produce firm s from production doesn't end. Women have a finite period of time when the eggs or healthy and good quality and Bible so we want women to start testing their fertility at twenty seven years of age. Why is that all women are born with all the as you're going to have throughout their lifetime, it's a million of earth time. They reached puberty. There I fear. It is down about four hundred thousand. The first significant decline in the quality of the eggs occurs twenty seven years of age now most women have good quality x when he eight twenty nine thirty, but that's when the curve starts making a dip. Dip becomes more significant after thirty two, an even more significant after thirty five, so if I think women are empowered to tell their obgyn's after twenty seven. Why don't you just do one blood blood tests on me? Which is all? It takes one blood test a day or two after my period so that I am assured that I still have good quality viable eggs, my ovaries. Just like a PAP smear that patients do. Once every couple of years. Why not just learn about your egg reserve? Because in twenty one years of my practice, I have seen twenty eight struggle with fertility because of equality three-year-olds 35-year-old's forty year olds. It happens it just the percentage of twenty-eight-year-old they're going to struggle is much smaller than the percentage of thirty eight year olds. So why not sort of take the the your reproductive-health into your own hands, and and empower yourselves and just get a blood test in? If at least you know your options, even if you're thinking while, I don't WanNa to have children now. There are other options available to patients. You know, egg, freezing, option, or at least you just know you're empowered by by the knowledge that Okay I. Don't have to worry about that aspect and I can tell you that most doctors will not tell you that. I was telling Becca the other day. Had A patient right now struggling with idea because she's run out of Good Quality X. And two and a half years ago, she went her Obgyn and she was thirty seven years of age, and and she already was showing signs of decrease ovarian reserve meaning that she was having trouble. Conceiving and hormone levels were out of range, and her Obgyn said to her you know. Why don't you try another year year and a half, and if it doesn't work Benghazi until Dr will by the time, she came to see it for doctor. She no longer has any. Viable eggs in her ovaries, and so the only. Avenue, that's open. Tour is using donor eggs. while. I have a lot of girlfriends who who have asked their doctors. Since my journey started with the F. I've told them what you've told me and a lot of them have gone to the Obgyn and have received the exact same feedback where they're kind of brushed aside and told. Not to worry so I guess it's. Can you demand that I mean obviously our bodies. Okay obsolete. It's. It's like saying you know I was. Know I had a fall in, can you? Can you get me a tetanus vaccine or you know? Absolutely it's it's it's. It's not a particularly expensive hormone tests it's it's very easy test to get, and you can even don't have to rely on the interpretation of of of your Obgyn to potentially you take action. Don't take no for an answer. Don't say, don't take the that sort of the classic answer which I've heard now for over twenty years. Is All your Yang? What do you have to worry about it now? Don't worry about you. Don't worry about that until you're thirty eight and forty years of age will. Will by the way by forty years of age, fifty percent of women have run out of quality. Choose well, and is this a different thing? Then so I was at my obviously, this is a different thing, but I was at my gynecologist recently to get a pap smear, and during when she's doing it, she was like. Oh looks like you have so many eggs, and so for me that like give me a peace of mind. I'm going to freeze my eggs year, but that gave me a peace of mind around like Oh, I'll probably be fine, so am i. not find and why. What's the benefit for for? GotTa call just to say that or to do that. When if if it's not so it could be. They looked at the ultrasound and they found lots of these immature cysts, which are essentially each egg develops and assists every month, so magin your ovaries have all these little cysts. Every month if you're not on a birth control pill, and what happens is one of those sis rose, and becomes a large assists, and then oscillates. It's basically desists. Person releases the egg, so could that during the ultrasound? They looked at your ovaries found. These multiple says that it looks like you have lots of eggs in the overs, but that's just one aspect of the egg reserve. One. Aspect is the number of eggs you have, but the other aspect is the quality of the eggs. We have different group of patients who have an adequate supply of eggs, but the percentage of good quality is significantly. Situation when I went to go I got the blood test. This is years ago, but I was like. I'm so young. I'm so fresh. Feel twenty five. And she was like well. Let me just tested. Are You thinking about trying? And then she was like you're i. can't remember exactly what the mechanism of you know. Whatever was, but she was like. You're a one percenter. Something like your at Bat. They're like if she basically was like. If you want to have a baby, you've got to have baby now like we're not good. It was so emotional motion all because you're like it's your womanhood. It's your you've spent your whole life trying not to get pregnant. And then you know in addition to a few grey hairs. You're all of a sudden. Your body is like your old. It's just so emotional. Really is. It really is an and I think that the the issue is, and that's why the importance of sort of empowering yourself and saying well. You know what I'm Gonna I'M GONNA start this testing early, but frankly I. Think that one percents you can't really. Delineate exactly the percentage. Yeah, but but if somebody also tells you, you got to have a baby now. No, you can freeze your eggs harder. You can embryos, or if you already to children, you can have children, but it's not like you. The technology is advanced enough now that women have many options if they want to preserve their fragility and say that we're. Like seven years older than twenty seven and we haven't done the blood test. Are we screwed or is there hope there is definitely hope in other words, the overwhelming majority of thirty four year olds with twenty, seven plus seven. Hasek's a a good good number of x overs but it's just you know it's. It's a comfort to know that. I have eggs, but it's important to at least speak to someone after you have that tests on, so they can interpreted correctly, because one thing is getting that test. The other thing is interpreting it. So Darling Beca has been going through it with you. And I mean it wildly that. Could you want to kind of? Talk out fatter. Yeah, so you know. Zach and I have been trying for about two years, and our issue was never actually the ability to conceive. It was the quality of my eggs and so I- thankfully have a really great obgyn. Where after the second miscarriage she said to me you know a lot of the time your body knows when something is abnormal or a viable embryo, and it will get rid of it on its. Its own, which is what happened, and so she suggested talking to a fertility specialist, but in my mind I also had the experience that Jack did where in my early thirties I was having an ultrasound, and the doctor was like Oh my gosh look at all those eggs, and so I had a false sense of confidence in my ability to make a baby, and conceive will not conceive, but to actually get to the finish line so She said to me. If you want more than one child, I would definitely suggest freezing some embryos because that is you know peace of mind. You don't have to rush. 'cause I also wasn't necessarily ready to do one kid after the other, but we want more than one so That was when I was led to Dr John Adjustment, because, he's he's humble, but he's the best. He's the greatest and I drive to San Diego for him because that's what I do I do. It for my highlights and now I do have for my idea. Times have changed how times have changed, but I will say I had a really false sense of confidence and I started. My I got pregnant for the first time. I believe I was thinking. I was thirty three I'm now about to be thirty five and even going through IVF. He's incredible and he was able to get US viable embryos, but You know he said it himself that I. Actually got more than what he and had anticipated, and when he told me the number of what he had anticipated. I panicked because I just didn't think. I was that person and I don't think anybody ever does so. It was an incredible experience. And now we have some frozen embryos that are healthy and ready to go, so there's no better feeling. I didn't realize the weight that would be lifted just the moment that I found out that I didn't have to. Hurry up and keep trying and hopefully get something healthy. BEKKER's story is really important because. When there is a decrease in the quality of the eggs in the ovaries that could present itself different ways in some patients it presents itself as a lack of ability to conceive, but in other patients that could be miscarriages, even one miscarriage, for example why, because seventy five to eighty percent of miscarriages or secondary to chromosomal abnormalities, the embryo which is secondary to a declining equality. So. It's an infra some patients. It's just a subtle signs. Sometimes you know. Their menstrual cycles are about twenty eight days apart in overtime becomes twenty five days twenty six days, and that subtle signed tells us that the number of the quality of the exit starting to decline, so I think that could report, and can you tell us i? Have a lot of girlfriends who aren't quite. They're not married yet, but they're wanting to get. Get ahead of it and freeze eggs, but like what's what's the difference between freezing eggs and embryos, differences, eggs are more fragile than than embryos. So when you freeze eggs, subsequently thaw them. The survival rate on eggs is lower than embryo, so we expect for example when we freeze embryos, typically should be especially good quality embryos over ninety six ninety seven percents of five. Oh, wow, on eggs! It could be about sixty to seventy percents. Can you get more if you're freezing eggs versus embryos. Do you usually get more eggs in an embryo or is that? So. It's kind of an attrition process. If you think about it, we'd retrieve the eggs out of those eggs. Only a small percentage of them are going to be good quality. Here's an attrition after retrieving the eggs, only a small percentage of eggs, actually making survival embryos and depending on age of the patient, their egg reserve that can be as low as ten percents or give thirty percent, an egg donor surrender in their twenties very young. In their twenties, we expect about forty percent of those exit healthy, but even in twenty four twenty five year old. When you retreat, ten eggs is not like all good quality X. only forty percent of fifty percent are going to be good quality, and then that percentage decreases as time progresses I've equestrian BECCA. Would you share a little bit about like the process? And how you felt because I think the reason that so many people, so we wouldn't get turned off by this process is that we hear from our friends Omega I'm doing these injections and I'm feeling awful and I'm on these hormones, and then I in this way and. So maybe I. I'm happy to hear that it was not so difficult for you Would you have a bat? Yes, so I had my initial appointment and we did I. Believe we counted my resting. follicles which I think was like twenty three or something and then you know he gives everybody a very specific protocol for injections, and and how and how many days it depends on the. The person right so throughout the process of the injections every couple days I was going down to do ultrasounds where he's checking, the growth of the follicles, and so the injections for me really weren't. Weren't that bad and I'm terrified of needles. I you know like a tiny little ice cube to numb the spot a little. It's like an insulin need. Also, it's really it's a wimpy needle And Zach did it for me every night and I think I did twelve days I. Think I did twelve nights of of the injections and halfway through. We incorporated afternoon, but I have to say it was really It wasn't until the very very end of that twelve days where you actually feel. Your ovaries are like you know they're. They're bigger, so you kind of have like a heavy feeling there the retrieval was so easy I. I like you know you're. It's what fifteen minutes right? Under under for it, you do. but it still does shot. Like what are you putting in you so essentially? The two main hormones that we give patients and those to warm the same hormones that are released in the in the. From the brain to the ovaries every month as it, egg matures and develops up until the time of ovulation, so it's one is called follicle stimulating hormone, which is h and the other one is called Lou nizing. L. Age so we giving these medications in roughly. The same percentages as as the brain does every month. but we increase the dosage those because if we give a low dose, which is what the brain does, bring us a very low dose of these hormones, and the reason is because humans are mono obviates most of time. The Avi didn't WanNa get a tone but we're not interested in in BECA making one egg, because then you dare mono. Girl. So we giving it in a higher dosages, so they can make tennis fifteen when he eggs so that we have a higher chance because we know out of those ten or twenty, only small percentage are going to be great, so then the we have the retrieval It was really easy and a lot of women. You know we're doing this during covid where everyone's working from home, which I honestly. I was so grateful because I didn't know how I would feel. I know if I would want to be around people, but to be honest, I definitely could have done that as busy as as we've ever. been. You know the final day you don't want to be physical or like. The last couple of days and I completely stopped working out because you have to. but emotionally I am so sensitive to hormone changes and I. Really didn't experience much at all and I'm curious as to. Is it just because of the way that I'm? Taking the hormones, or is it just? A fluke and I got lucky. I think most patients will say that this the side effects or the symptoms are. Not. Terrible. Medications. the most common side effect from these medications feeling tired on them. Up the second most common is feeling bloated, because the ovaries enlarge because you'd suddenly haven't said at one egg up ten eggs, or fifteen x and then you can have breast, tenderness or some vacation headaches and but I do think the experience of each patient is is different. It's much much like if you were to take birth control bill. The birth control pill in one patient could cause nausea and some symptoms and other patients. At effect. But I think already patients do well he bekker's experience in terms of side bags is more the. Majority and how long is the entire process from start to finish because I've heard different things like for greasing for examples like two weeks to six weeks or four weeks, so is it different for every person typically in in in most cycles, though the whole process two weeks in other words from the time you start the medications time we retrieve yet gets completed within. Within two weeks now there are some clinics at US older types of of medication regimens, and those can be new those longer sometimes three weeks sometimes for weeks sometimes five weeks. We don't use those older type of medication regimens. Why because they're been published studies including ours to show that the shorter cycles shorter, a medication treatments are more effective and give us yes. To win out for girls that are not in southern California. Who can't go to you? What would you find like? What would you tell them? As far as finding the best fertility specialist but for? One of the most important things is is word of mouth. In. The experience of others in a forum such as such as this in terms of how other patients have experienced because you know if you obviously every fertility centre markets itself as a great center, wicked pregnancy rates in great doctors and I think there are two things that are important I think the experience of others in terms of they felt that they really were cared for and that the doctor spent in a good amount of time explaining everything in detail because anytime, a patient has a question. You have to make sure you address the question, so the well informed because if they're well-informed that they're in power. that's the first thing and the other thing is make sure the lines of communication are always open, so a patient needs you. They have to deal to reaching. The other factor I. DO think is that if you then look at fertility centers now, not just fertility doctors, but also in any profession, then you get into the upper echelon. Those who do research into who publish. Then you're in this sort of the upper echelon of a minority of fertility doctors that are on the cutting edge of research. Because if you do research, you're constantly around people who are doing research causing ramp people innovating. Creative protocols to improve the quality of the X and so with this research we gain more information out of better treat patients at a better and how to make idea for example safer Outta make it more effective at actually brings me to a question. I got an email from the clinic and it actually was very comforting about pregnancy during covert. And that was I think that that was really insightful. We have so many women who listen who are thinking about conceiving or are already pregnant Really close to their due dates and very scared, so can you tell us a little bit about what you guys have found out absolutely, so we've been sort of following the latest research publications on on Covid nineteen as it relates to fertility and pregnancy. So the. Studies in publications on on pregnancy been very reassuring, and on two fronts number one There was actually several papers published in the New England Journal Medicine at one in Lancet, which is a major British Medical Journal showed that there was no evidence of vertical transmission of the virus, meaning the the virus being transmitted through the Placenta vitas causing formations or other effects. So that's that's one piece of good news that we have thus far on the virus, the Second A. A piece of news came out from Columbia University. which now is doing universal screening on all pregnant patients what they did was they tested pregnant patients, and those that tested positive eighty seven percent of those patients who tested positive for Kobe nineteen, either had no symptoms or Mount Simpson's and the percentage of patients that went on to having more severe symptoms was no different than the general population, because one of the initial worries about the virus was Oh my goodness. Immunity is altered. It's not weaken. Most people think Oh, pair. Pregnant patients have weaker immunity. It's not weaker immunity. It has to do with helper cells and the percentage he helper cells, versus the other t cells immune south. It's altered. So our concern was are pregnant patients more prone to this virus, and if they get, are they more prone to having severe symptoms in the Columbia University study showed that note. That wasn't the case it was. It was the same as the general population so far that data has been reassuring. Of course we tell patients who take all the precautions right and and make protect yourself sell now that the the potential babies. No that embryos are done, and they're frozen in their their on ice. They're waiting. Is there a time when your uterus has a past due date, or is it just the eggs? Interestingly enough? The uterus doesn't age distinguish overs do. So for and how do we know this? Because patients who run out of quality expectations in their forties when you use an egg donor for someone for a was in her twenties, and you create embryos transferred them into a a patient. WHO's forty five? They have the same rate of pregnancy as somebody. WHO's thirty five PAS, but that doesn't. That doesn't last the whole way through Typically, we don't recommend for patients to to get pregnant beyond forty nine years of age. A couple of reasons for that number one. The US doesn't start to show some level of aging specially if menopause occurs because. Estrogen levels, drop, and so blood supply the uterus changes, but also above above the age of forty nine, the risks and complications during pregnancy are much much higher, and these risk could be as as as grave as a stroke. High Blood Pressure Diabetes her birth. placental abnormalities started to increase significantly after forty years of age. That could you feel so good? You have fifteen years I now. It actually I never knew that. It would feel this good. I think that first of all I should say after the retrieval. It is a stressful time because every couple days you're getting updates and you're finding out the attrition rate as he said it. You're losing eggs, and you're losing embryos and they're testing them. Some of them are not actually healthy So that those two weeks because I would say. Isn't it about two weeks? If you do the PG T testing, which not exactly right now. Big Seventies, Emerald developed to that mature stage blouses and typically wait another five five to seven days for the genetic test results right so that period of time was a little scary. Just because you know that there's a there's a chance that you could end up with none and I had a point in my in my I think I was on day five and only one fertilized egg embryo as a three. Only maybe one one embryo was showing that it was going to be viable I guess though I was really nervous about that because you know, but then the others caught up. Add some late bloomers. It is stressful, but then as soon as we found out our results, and now that they're just on ice waiting for whenever we're ready to implant, it's like it's a really crazy liberating feeling and I mostly just want every woman i. just feel like I. WanNa shout it from the rooftops, because we aren't given all the information for some reason and You think that your Obgyn especially a female obgyn. You would think that they would be really well versed in this, but I'm finding that that's not the case and a lot of the time, and so that's why we want to talk about it here because it's like you know it, it's it's really the one of the most important things I think. When sure at this point in your life to be empowered by the information and know that you have options, and then I have another question if if you go to implant. That embryo if someone has had an abortion before, if someone has had a miscarriage before, if someone. Does that affect how well the embryo will take or is every kind of new implementation like a new period cycle. It's actually every new implantation is like a new period cycle. abortions miscarriages should not have should not have any impact. On the ability uterus to allow plantation in a healthy pregnancy tap and are. Are you able to expand on You had asked me at one of my ultrasound. My my lining was a little bit thinner than normal, and you asked if I had had it and I. And I did so. Can you tell me a little bit about that? That's a great question why you got. You got a good memory. So what we see here everything. We never got. It's interesting that one of the things that we actually this one of our abstracts that we just sent research abstracts. American study reproductive medicine is one of the things. We realized that some patients who had a history of argued. It has a lasting impact on their uterus, lasting negative impact on uterus. And how do we in the oval? Because when we start to to prepare the uterus, allowing plantation to occur the you're supposed to get thick with estrogen administration and that lining years. If it doesn't get vic than one of the things that we think about is okay well. Did you have an udine place at some point, so that is? Unfortunately what we're discovering is, it could be a long lasting effect of the. and. That's something that has not been talked about. If you go on the website, if you look at studies on all Ud's it save is no issues. Yes, it's very safe. however there should be a little bit of caveats, a little bit of sort of glamour that this could have an effect under fragility. We even eat his station. Surrogates who were very fertile was for example. gets carry a pregnancy for someone who can't and they've had his juvenile ud. They struggle would be able to have a uterus. That's receptive to implantation. And is that all ideas because there's the copper, and then so you think so, it's been all. It hasn't actually the marina. Ud which has progesterone tends to be the biggest culprit. We think that perhaps the reason is because with Marina. Ud with the way they work, it's it's sort of a mechanical structure that prevents implantation buds on any copyright you for example, copper is also toxic to this firm as well so it's not just implantation issue, it makes the lining uterus less receptive for the embryo implants, but also has a toxic effect on sperm as well, and we think that progesterone may be lingering in the uterus and. On a microscopic level for a long time after the promote. Now not been studying now. Girls who are who are trying to get pregnant right now and not and having trouble who've had an IUD? There is a solution right absolute. There is a solution sometimes we have to wait. Sometimes the solution is you gotta wait, but most of the time we can counteract that with different types of estrogen estrogen can be given for example Badgley be given to a patch orally by injection, so we can most the time overcome it in a small percentage of patients. What has to happen is we have to wait? We have to wait until the effects of their professional gone. Mariah are sometimes for some patients I've seen that even. Up to yours Oh. Wow, wow, we have to take a break and when we come back, we have fan questions for the doctor owns great. Isn't this so fun? You guys? We're GONNA, take a quick break now to say, thank you Vince Komodo for pardoning with us on lady lessons We love this series and we think it's. We know it's to be great. Not We think we know in a manifest events Komodo dot com, you can find stylish, covetable and quality shoes, handbags and accessories at a great price point right now. They have some gorgeous heeled sandals that have become our summer. Go To's. To's, but if you need an S., Pedro, a pump, booty or sneaker, they have those two plus handbags jewelry, and so much more, and of course it wouldn't be the lady gang. We didn't have a great deal for you right now. Use our code lady at Vince Komodo Dot Com for twenty percent off your purchase of seventy five dollars or more just use code lady at checkout. At Vince, commuter dot Com for twenty percent off and don't forget to share your styles using the Hashtag Vince Komodo happy shopping. Some exclusions apply. They can be found at our page. Vince Komodo DOT com slash lady. You're listening to the Lady, gang? Okay and we're back, so we had our lady gainers sending some questions that only you can answer, because usually we do this with the three of us, and if we try to answer any of these questions, it would be an actual disaster. Okay, so first question comes from towel and she says I've been on birth control since I was fourteen years old. Does that affect my fertility later in life, I've heard so many different things. So on birth control bill should not have any impact on your fertility What it does do sometimes is, it can hide signs of decrease egg reserve, so it may be a good idea. Sometimes take a month or two break sort of assess your ability if if you're concerned about it or cure at that age where you should test it. And then get back on the trouble. That was actually what A friend of mine went to a doctor asking for the F.. S. H. Hormone test. And the doctor flippantly told her. Oh, it's not worth it because you're on the pill, so it wouldn't be accurate anyway as opposed to telling her. Come off the pill for a month or two and just test. Right, and there are some hormones that that the birth control pill doesn't affect the anti malaria hormone that gives us an idea bouts. A counts is not as affected by the build, plus you can always do an ultrasound on the ovaries. That shouldn't have an impact, but it. The best thing is if you truly want to have an information under fertility stopped at birth for two months. Use Different type of of a contraception for that. It was a couple of months and get your hormones tested. Get your ultrasounds done in terms of overs. To now okay, so the second question comes from Koran. She doesn't I'm trying to get pregnant. And I have three different periods slash ovulation, tracking APPs, and the all predicted different times from my ovulation during my cycle, and I don't know what to trust. How do I know when I'm truly ovulating? I got a simple method for you, so you take the total length or the interval between your two periods, and it's a simple formula, because a lot of these APPs are inaccurate, right? The what happens is you say? Say Okay I the interval between one period the next. It's about twenty eight days. You subtract fourteen days each talk, so you're ovulating on day fourteen. When's the best time to have an force? The twelve and fourteen so two days before your ovulation ended ovulation. That's going to be most fertile time and remember the sperm is going to be active, and it's going to be alive sometimes for days. That's why we say have in it worse before ovulation. Just in case you Avi Legal, but early this firm is there. but take the total length of your from one period to knock to the other subtract fourteen days, and that's when you oscillating right I'm GONNA go into my boo Joe Career Tracker Hero. Relation in there, but what if you don't have a twenty eight day cycle? It's just fourteen days from that started. You have a thirty day cycle. You're ovulating days sixteen, and if it varies then kind of make a formula, so if you say well I have periods about twenty eight to thirty two days, okay, so that means Rog between Dave. Fourteen today eighteen, so having of course starting on Day twelve day until. The, eighteen, okay last question comes from Kristen. She said last year I found out that year. Insist and that it could be a sign of Andrew Mitri endometriosis I'm in the process of figuring out. If I do in fact, have this, but what could this mean for fertility? Could this? This cause issues later online when we have tried to have kids and twenty six, not even close ready to have kids some kind of freaking out. Well endometrial is one of those few syndromes or conditions that actually can have a significant impact on fertility, and what isn't betrayals. Every time a patient has her menstrual cycle period. What happens is the lining of the uterus, sheds with blood and comes outside his period, but in some patients. In fact, many many patients, some of those cells can flow backwards through the twos and then. Then in a small percentage of patients, those little cells can start implanting in attaching to the ovary uterus to bladder now for some patients that causes pain for them every month when they have their periods significant pain for some patients, their asymmetric. They don't have any pain at all. In the first time they discovered. We get an ultrasound. We see assistant looks like an enemy versus. Three effects of endometriosis that we have to be very careful number one endometriosis because of the inflammation it creates the in destroy this firm before this from has a chance to fertilize. Number two. When when when the body sees the endometriosis, the immune cells get activated immune cells come in to destroy enemy materials, but just like in rheumatoid arthritis. Not only does it destroy the good cells that sells what else for destroys a good cell, so Haitians with enemy choices can run out of good quality much faster. The third thing it can cause is scarring because his constant inflammation repair inflammation where every month every month What happens is create scarring around the flow. Can Tubes around the ovaries? Juice be free to be able to pick up an egg so when they're scarring around below Kim tubes, it needs ability to locate to pick up an so three of facts, and so with patients with endometriosis. We just have to be more vigilant specially with equality, and so I would recommend to that particular patient is every year. Get your egg reserved on to make sure that the enemy chose is not having significant impact on your account and equality. Well if you're GONNA, have to come back because we have about fifteen more question I know i. I'm usually we need to yeah. Pleasure if you want to check out Dr d, You can visit the San Diego Fertility Center we're GONNA post. His instagram is personal instagram as well but essentially it's ass, and then his last name, Dhanush Mend D., A. N., e., S. H. M. A. N. D.. WE'RE GONNA post to sue. Can Swipe up and follow along and we'll keep you You know we'll keep you in the loop. When back decides to implant the embryos? Now that it's out there citing I might wait. I might wait till forty nine. A lot of work to do for lady gangs, so that would honestly that works for my. Okay fine fine. Thanks for coming on Yes, thank you so much. Kelsey. 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Jason Segel

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

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Jason Segel

"Hi It's Jesse the founder of Max. Fun Coming to you from the microphone at my Home Office where I am socially segregating so we promised you. Amac's drive this week but things haven't exactly gone how we expected so given the pandemic we're GONNA postpone. This year's drive events are still fluids to give you specifics about new dates right now. We have late April pencilled into our calendars. We'll keep you posted about that as it stands a lot of our drive. Machinery was already cranked up. So for one thing you might hear a reference to drive in our shows which might have been recorded before we made this decision and Here's some good news. There's a bunch of great bonus content available for all of our Max Fund members if you're a member and you missed the email with instructions on how to listen. Check your spam folder or log in at maximum fund dot org slash manage Also at maximum fund dot org slash manage. You can change your membership. If your circumstances have changed we know this is a tough time for a lot of people we understand. You can also go to maximum fund dot org slash. Join anytime if you'd like to become a member. During the next couple of weeks what would have been the drive. We're going to do our best to be extra available to you we've got some streaming events planned some social media stuff. We know a lot of folks are isolated right now and we want to help provide comfort in the best ways that we know how you can follow us on social media and we'll let you know what's up during this tough time. I have been feeling really grateful for my community of colleagues here at Max Von and for you the folks who make our work possible goofy work may sometimes be. Stay safe out there. We're thinking of you bullseye. With Jesse Thorn is a production of maximum fun dot org and is distributed by NPR. I'm Jesse Thorn. It's Bullseye Jason. Segel has had a lot of interesting rolls over the years. He's usually the best friend type. Maybe a little corny always very endearing. He got his start on screen in his late teens. He started alongside James Franco and Seth Rogan on the short lived cult. Show freezing geeks and from there a bunch of other roles how I met your mother. I love you. Man knocked up just a handful but he's also very talented writer he wrote and revived the muppets. For a new generation. In his first writing GIG was the feature film forgetting Sarah Marshall. He also starred in the film. It's sort of a romantic comedy in it. He portrayed struggling musician. Peter Brighter. The film starts with a break-up and it ends with a musical about Dracula. And if I see healthy I said the Law Jason. Segel's latest show is kind of departure from all that he's very proud of it. It's called dispatches from elsewhere. It's airing right now on. Amc It follows the lives of a group of regular people who discover a hidden world. It's mysterious and Ernest and sometimes a little silly. Jason is the show's creator and the Star of the series. He plays Peter a lonely complacent man who's been slowly suffocating in the mundanity of his life this all changes when he stumbles onto a life. Changing opportunity offered by the enigmatic June institute but before all that. He's just Peter in this clip. His therapist confronts him on what he really hopes to get out of their sessions. Just settling into idea that this is it but this is what life is. I don't really have anything to say about that. You feel stuck feel nothing. Mostly maybe a sense of loss. No for what do you think it's time you found out Jason Segel. Welcome to both sides so nice to have you on the show thanks. I'm really excited to be here. Was singing about the show as I was watching it last night and thinking you know you got your break in show business with adolescent emotional crises kind of rose to stardom on quarter life emotional crises in your finally engaging with midlife emotional crises yeah that sounds right and I think that in a lot of ways. All that's happened is like the same devices that I used to express those things become slightly more sophisticated. You know when I was when I was twenty five All I could manage was like the literal version of exposing yourself older. F sort of delve into metaphor. That makes sense. It does make sense. I mean you did very literally I was. I was taking a walk yesterday with my dog and listening to a conversation you had with Terry Gross on fresh air ten twelve years ago when the big Jason Segel News in the world was your private parts on movie screens. Yeah well to me. It was like well. You know it's actually interesting. I'm sort of making a joke but so one that was me trying to lay myself. Bear like how honest am I willing to be on screen for twenty four twenty five year old? That felt lake full. Frontal nudity was the answer to that question like look. I'll be totally allay myself bear on screen but the other thing that I wanted to do with that moment there was some artistic merit to it and that One of the things. I never liked about romantic comedies. As the you know the inevitability of like the guy is going to end up with a girl on the poster. That's what's going to happen and you know it going in but I thought when I was writing it if I open this movie with full frontal male nudity from the Lee. You're sort of forced to sit back and say I don't know what's going to happen in this movie. Like anything could happen and it sort of does you know it ends we meet like the inevitability but also it ends with a Lavish Dracula puppet musical and another dose of full frontal nudity. Those same sort of throw you off guard techniques at tried. He's in dispatches where we open with a really really uncomfortable moments It's just the forty year old version of that and also the whole show is an exercise of me trying to lay myself. Bear on screen tried to for all the characters in a much more you know. They're scarier things than being naked. It's like I think in my age. It's a little scarier to feel like. Oh I'm forty and I have no idea what I'm doing part of what I wondered about. This show is that you had had a period of you know four an actor or a show business person generally you know relative stability and security. I mean you had had some success in films but more than that you were the star of a long running successful. Sitcom which is pretty much the best job in show business as far as jobs. Go you know what I made. Yeah Yeah No. It's it's hitting the lottery for sure. Yeah like it pays good and it's regular and if it's the kind of show like how I met your mother. The show that you were on that is successful enough that it feels like a success. The most of the time you know it stable in a way that almost no other show business work is but you know that ended eventually and I wondered if you having had this job that everyone would reasonably tell you is the best job in show business and having had you know artistic successes that were you know dream. Jobs making a muppet movie and stuff like that as well. Yeah during that time whether when that ended it led you to evaluate. Oh what do I do with my with my calendar when I don't have a read through every Tuesday or whatever said the crisis was bigger than when I do my counter if you know like I mean truly it was A. It was a really interesting moment because I think one of the things that you're forced to evaluate after all of the things that you described true about doing a job like that so then then you're left with like a question the stability continues like you've made a bunch of money you know so you don't now have to. You're not scared about paying your bills and you get to choose what you WANNA do next. And you're sort of faced with the question of am. I going to make choices about trying to stay famous or popular or any of those things or am I going to. Now use this amazing gift. I've been given of stability to Be Brave and try stuff. I've never tried try to be Try to be the same guy who ended forgetting Sarah Marshall with a Lavish Dracula puppet musical where I was. I don't know if this is GonNa work but I sure think it's cool and I think other people might think it's cool and let's try it and see what happens. I guess I don't know that. Artistic bravery is built on stability. You know what I mean. I think it's there's they're really great clip David Bowie advice to artists. Take two and a half minutes long. You just Google it. And and he says that when you're when you're operating out of your comfort zone you're probably not making anything interesting but if you walk a little bit further into the water so your feet aren't touching the ground anymore. That's maybe when you're going to be in some territory that might be art and for me. I was Like the whole time is making dispatches from elsewhere. There is a little part of me that thought. Oh I mean this might not work. And that was really exciting. It was made me hungry to make sure I was really thinking about what I was trying to accomplish. And how to execute it best? Were you afraid that it wouldn't work? Yeah of course absolutely the thing is that when you I created it and so you have to believe more than anyone because I mean there's a million nos along the way anytime you're trying to make something it's it's hard and it's expensive and all of these things So publicly I'm just like yes I know. Trust me believe me but yeah and my and my guts. Those I was definitely scared that it might not work and I watch the ten episodes of the thing that I'm most proud of that I've done in a decade And there are some people for whom it won't work somebody. We're going to die hard. Love this show and think like Oh this is what I've been looking for and then other people will think of this silly and I don't know I might. I'm okay with that. I'm pretty excited about that. Actually what was the consequence that you were afraid of? If it didn't work the same thing everyone's afraid of that people are GonNa Make Fun of you. That's the culture that we live in. Is that if you try something honestly and boldly that you might be embarrassed. Somebody might embarrass you Luckily I I. I don't seem to have a very highly developed sense of pride or shame around things like that and I'm like I'm happy to act as a surrogate into those territories. You know I wanNA play so the first thing that you did on television in the thing that established your career. You acted in a few films already When you were in high school but but the thing that really major name and career was the television show freaks Geeks and on one of the. Dvd's there there was the camcorder footage of your audition for the part of Nickel Dopoulos which you ended up okay. I didn't know that. Yeah yeah this is a scene That is him explaining to a girl he likes. How know about the drum set that he hasn't in his basement and again this is like this is audio just from a Pro. Sumer video camera in the audition room got it. I might improving does it sound makers at scripted. I guess we'll find out. It sounds like you might be adding a little flair but it sounds like it's scripted. Okay okay I brought you here because circuit out fourteen. Mountainous Palms six wartimes. Ten calvel's rise by system on the patented can builder quadrant. Nick need six more pieces. Better rush tr zero saying it's really sweet a great job. You can see why you got the part. I I also hear I hear puffy. That's Paul Fugu laughing. And he's that's being so generous. You know like I'm okay. It's it's not that funny but he's really he's really making me feel comfortable. He's such a sweet man. Yes he's such a sweet man. What I like about watching that audition clip is you know. There are a few moments and it's hard to hear in the audio of it but you can see very vividly in video. You're playing to the house a little bit. There's a few moments where you kind of milk laughs but the overall vibe is that sort of deeply almost painfully earnest and sincere. And it's like watching. It's like watching the show. The diversion of that character that ended up on the show but lake before somebody said to. You like don't do any jokes at all. Yeah yeah well yeah. That's the thing about auditioning which is why when I never loved about it is that you're like You're specifically trying to impress people and to me to me. The real challenge of acting. I've learned as I've gotten older and this is just from being around people who I think are really good at it and watching people who I really admire the big challenge when the camera is looking at you not not to give in to trying to impress it. That's that to me is everything it's like. Are you to just be honest when the camera is asking you to do something? Don't do it. So that makes sense. Yeah I mean it's a terrifying prospect. Yeah because the felt like all of a sudden when someone even is just taking a picture with her camera. Phone this weird face like this smile that you don't do in life for you do weird pose like all of that instinct is going through you in the cameras on you like I should. I should be this is forever. You know I should be trying to impress whoever's watching this and The people who I really really admire who I watch able to resist that impulse to show off. Was that a lesson that you had to learn as an eighteen year old or or have world you are when you started making freaks and Geeks. Yeah I think the big challenge that Judd presents you with is. How honest are you willing to be on screen? And I've like what is the most honest version of a teenage guy singing to his girl in the basement. Don't give me the sketch comedy version. Give me the painful one. You know the one that makes you so uncomfortable. Because you're like that's me. I've sort of taken that lesson throughout my career. I just trying to trying to do the most stripped down version. Maybe more with Jason. Segel still to come when we come back from a quick break. We'll talk with Jason about how he works. Humor into the tone of a show like dispatches from elsewhere it's Bullseye for maximum fund dot org and NPR this week on NPR's visibility. Ah WE TAKE YOU TO A summer program for teenagers with sleepovers marshmallows and racial confrontation. All line up by Tinto Lightest Dirk. That's up next on N. P. R.'s and visit Delia. Welcome back to Bullseye. I'm Jesse Thorn MY GUEST JASON. Segel starred for years on the TV shows freaks and geeks. How I met your mother and more. He created and stars in a brand new series. It's called dispatches from elsewhere it's airing now on AMC you know when. I was listening to that interview from a decade or so ago that you did with Terry Gross. One of the things you talked about. Was that at some point. I think on FREAKS and GEEKS JUDD. Appetite told you that what was special about you as a performer. Was that you read as I'm paraphrasing. But you read as sweet enough that you could really go really far toward the line of being creepy. Yeah and people would still accept it and be on your side. Yeah it's it has been my sweet spot unfortunately or fortunately for better for worse. Is this this fine line between charming and creepy? Where like I mean they're parts and for. This is just being self aware but like there are parts and forgetting Sarah Marshall that could veer into a getaway from this guy like Mila. Kunis should run and in some ways that is like in dialogue with romantic comedy. Which is a genre that is about that substantially about guys. That women should wait. Yeah I think somehow I managed to project some version of like. Oh it'll be fine. He'll give him a shot you know. Meanwhile I'm like doing this Lavish Dracula puppet musical and a weird voice and crying hysterically. But I guess you know for some reason it seems like Oh take care of that guy. that Lavish Dracula musical. Is maybe the signature moment of forgetting Sarah Marshall which is a great movie thing and And I say that is somebody WHO HATES DRACULA'S YOU WITH DRACULA's plural. Yeah you hear generous. You Hate Vampires. Dracula'S YEAH NOTRE DRACULA's an individual Vampires Vampires. There is a good guy nights type of guy. And they have fangs does are Vampires Dracula's just one guy count dry cool yeah he's a Dracula. Man Ryan have to agree to disagree. So it's a it's a beautiful movie. It's it's one of my faves and And this this song at the end of it is who grew out of in the in the film. It is is this quixotic project that this guy is has been working on to write this. Very sincere and intense musical about Dracula's It is at the end. Sorry it's just one dracula. No you're the musical is just about the one And so like it occupies this this strange space at in the conclusion of the movie which is like if it's not if it's not good enough or ernest enough. It can't feel like a triumph for him to do it But if it's too good and too earnest. It's not a for him to do it unless it's so good that it's extraordinarily good. You know what I mean like the triumph. Fear is that he's doing it even though maybe it's not that good. Yeah see I think so. Here's what I think the recipe is and I and I think that this really plays into dispatches as well and I'm not trying to Segue I just think there's a parallel that I actually think that you can and must go full ernest like that is the real challenge because that is where real discomfort lies and then where I agree with you as modulating how good something is right. Because that's that's what makes it funny but the comfort I think comes from what if I present this to you discomfort slash magic with with no sense of irony and so that that area is really really interesting to me muppets? I did with no sense of irony like I am not commenting on the muppets. I I love the muppets. That's why I devoted two years as a grown man right after forgetting Sarah Marshall to the muppets. There's something about that that is like Oh whoa. That's like Kinda why you know I mean that is also like that is also the nature of the muppets is that the muppets. The muppets in a way like iron is this. Classic caught these classic Hollywood tropes by approaching them sincerely but also being puppet. We'LL DRACULA'S YEAH. I think that There's something about where really uncomfortable when the other shoes not gonNA drop like. We're waiting for it as an audience culturally. Maybe it goes back to that thing we were talking about about the air freight of being made fun of right. You're just what if it's just nice? Or what if something is just beautiful? It's it's a very uncomfortable territory and so in forgetting Sarah Marshall to watch this guy up there who really believes in this thing is uncomfortable and I think I think that's really interesting. I think there's something about dispatches that is very challenging because I just mean it like I think what if there was magic and what if it required us to make it and what if we start at just making this world better by taking it into our own hands and using art and community and magic as an act of defiance and I mean it and I'm not making fun of it come join me. It's challenging I found. I found the real experiment that I'm you know. Was this thing actually happened on profiling and dispatches from elsewhere in San Francisco in two thousand twelve with this guy. This group was the exact opposite of fight club as opposed to handling this feeling of dissatisfaction with society by beating each other up. They chose to make magic. In the secret of night like this clandestine organization committed to beautification and I found the whole thing like really challenging and uncomfortable. When is someone GonNa Make Fun of you or when? Is someone going to try to sell you something? Oh they're not. I don't know it's I think there's something really interesting there. When you do your Dracula Song and public which you do on occasion yeah you know? The audience finds it hilarious. Because it's from a movie. That was very funny. Yeah it requires you to commit pretty fully emotionally. Yes to the song and it's a song you wrote is it. Do you ever want to just be like? Hey can we just do this? One straight guy to the crowd yet. Do you know why you know why that that all works ultimately and forgetting Sarah Marshall or or why? It's interesting for me to sing because I didn't write it for forgetting Sarah Marshall. I wrote it when I was out of work from twenty to twenty five trying to figure out what to do with my career and I believed that I had cracked it. That what I was going to do was write a lavish dracula puppet musical and it was going to be like really really successful and I believed it to my core and I I wrote it. I wrote the thing and I went my played it for Judd and he listened respectfully and then said. You can't ever show this to anybody ever. He was very protective of me and then it was later when I got to put it into comedy that it made sense but what the reason it works is because when I sing it. It's true that I believed that. That thing was really great like I still do. I think it's great. That's the part that I'm getting here. Is I know that if you work hard on something that means as much to you as those Dracula songs meant yeah that even with the benefit of the fifteen or twenty years that have passed since and the knowledge. That was a great capper on a movie. You made. That was a comedy and it was a comic capper. You still have to be up there with a part of you being like guys. It is pretty good song. I wrote it and yes. It's a good song. It's really about hard. It is to. Yes a one hundred percent. Yeah I I have some level of self awareness that what feels vital to me feel super funny to others. So when when you're making dispatches from elsewhere how do you manage the funniness? There isn't funniness in the show yes But how do you manage the funniness? So that 'cause 'cause it it. The earnestness of dispatches from elsewhere is real and it's yours like personally as a human being an artist. You're not presenting it as isn't it funny that? I that I really believe this much less. Isn't it funny that this is dumb? Yeah so how do you? How do you manage the tone like? Was that something you had to figure out and in writing and making it I think that the approach that I take in general for comedy is I am you. So what would it be like for any average joe to be thrust into this crazy circumstance? I hold a fundamental belief. That we are generally hopeful. Even if we're embarrassed to say it and that we want the best for each other and so I have to like have an act of faith that that's true and for people who it's not true. They probably won't like the show but I think a lot of people feel like they would like to feel hopeful. Yes such a special cast in the show and I'm often hesitant to ask like. Where did you get these people from? And how did you get them to be on your show but I am going to do that because of how special? The CAST is I did not show sally field. That's true yeah she. She was discovered by a by a community of nuns. Who could fly? She was well established. Sally Field I've just begged I mean I I mean I. I'm not even joking. I got her taking meeting with me. I had written that part for As a love letter to my mom I wanted to draw for different main characters who were in moments of existential crisis Life transitions a sense of something being missing and I wanted to draw four really distinct characters from each other so that in each episode. I challenge you. I say think of this character is you. I think at the beginning will all pick the character that we most see ourselves them. And I'm hoping that by the end of the series my goal is that you see yourself and all of them when you say see yourself. I mean you mean at the beginning. Maybe literally like I'M A. I'm a straight white dude. I'm going to identify with the Siegel character. Yeah and you know you have people at different points in their lives and from different cultural contacts. Yes in the story and like the first episode being about your character you think. Well you're congratulations on presenting a forty year old directionless straight white man as a as an everyman. Yeah we start easy. The innovations of the innovations of eighteen twenty four media our have been absorbed But then you immediately jump into asking the same thing of of the audience with the other characters. Sally field would did you. Had you just like watch? Smokey and the bandit or something. I was smoking the bandit recently. And she's so good only God she's she's Great. Yeah it's unbelievable and I felt like the story I wanted to tell for. That character was of someone who had dedicated their life committed their identity to one thing to things being wife and mother and now with twenty years left of their life realizing those two kinda fundamental things they associate themselves with were no longer relevant to what was happening in their lives. Who Am I? Now what am I? If I'm not an active mother. Active wife and I have twenty years left. What do I do And I just knew she would be perfect for it and she is and I got really lucky. I'll be thankful to sally forever for doing the show. What about Andre Benjamin Who is in the show and you know? He's he's worked as an actor in the past broadly but relatively less than the last decade or so Yeah so like did you. Did you have to fly down to Atlanta and beg him? You know what all I was told was that there was no way I was going to get Andre and I really wanted Andrei bad. I felt like even when you. Just listen to outcast I know it's an entirely different medium and genre but this guy was bringing themes back from the realm of metaphor into our reality you know. And that's very much what's happening in dispatches just felt like I had a hunch that this would align with his taste but I just kept being told that it would be impossible but we got the script to him and really quickly he and I got on the phone and he said I'm all in and I tried to pitch him more and he said I don't think you heard me I'm all in and it was. I think that Andrei and I ended up being I mean. This is the premise of the show. But I think Andre and I ended up being way way way more similar than we could have ever anticipated in terms of some of the questions that we were asking ourselves. Where similar ages We both had success and then kind of got older and were posed with the question of like how do I how how. How do these creative pulses age up? You know as I as I'm getting older. What do they become So that's how Andre Happened Eve I had a casting call. Eve came in and auditions and from the moment she read. It was very much like when Russell Brand auditioned for forgetting Sarah Marshall I was just like Oh this is it and I- I rewrite everything for this amazing actress and she really is her. Name's Eve Lindley. I think she might be in the episodes that I saw the strongest performance on the show in incredibly strong cast. You know I asked of my actors to really use the opportunity to express things. They wanted to express a where they are in their lives and Eve took that to heart and just her her performances fearless. I was wondering as I was watching it. She's a trans woman. And I wondered if you were Casting for someone trans or whether in the fact that she's trans plays into the episodes I saw somewhat but isn't the central question of them And I wondered whether you were casting for someone trans or whether when you saw her audition you you know. Work that part of her life Around into to to make sense in the context of the show Yeah the the part was written for a Trans Woman. I was really interested in telling a a really beautiful love story between Peter and Simone and not making Simone's Gen generals entity her defining characteristic Because I don't make Peter's gender identity. His defining characteristic or Andrei or sally and I tried to do that. Same idea with each character. What we're you know we're in this moment where we're told to like Categorize and label. And it's no wonder we all feel such separation from each other and so one of the things that was interesting to me in terms of the visual diversity of the cast is then to not make what your instinctive primary observation about them Be Be what their storyline is about. I. I wanted to treat all of the characters as fully rounded human beings. You also have Richard e grant in the show. Yeah and he plays the shadowy figure who both narrates the show and is leading whatever. The game mystery a drama magical experience that the characters are going through are going through and his maybe best known for his work in a very deeply beloved cult comedy called with Nail and I Though he was also a pretty spectacular he's been spectacular your many things but he was very spectacular in Gosh what was the movie in which he was with With Melissa McCarthy that came out two years ago yeah. It has sorry in the title. I'm yes is very good movie. And he is spectacularly good in it and like how do you cast for enigmatic figure so yeah well I had the benefit of the real originator of that role quote unquote. The Octavio Coleman esquire from the real experiment. So I I did have some image in my minds of what I was looking for with Nalen. I is one of my big influences as an actor I think his performance and that is as good as a performance can be and so he was the first person I met with for it. Is the first person cast in the show? I believe I sat down with him and he asked me a lot of personal questions about what the show is about why I wanted to do it. And he signed on pretty quickly to I got I got really really lucky. You know when I talked about the show even when it exists yet was just an idea. It's something that I really really believe in and I think that that probably comes across when you're when you're describing to an actor what you hope to accomplish. I think you might have missed your calling. 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Episode 5  Why We Should be Talking About Preservation More

The Investing Evolution Podcast

35:04 min | 2 years ago

Episode 5 Why We Should be Talking About Preservation More

"Welcome to investing evolution podcast with Vince Esposito, and rob is bits from sun garden investment research. We are in investment firm that takes an alternative approach to the most common investor objectives, preservation income and long term growth. We focus on bottom line outcomes. Not what everyone else is doing in this podcast. We clarify confusing investor issues bust investments and discuss how to invest in any investment climate. Our number one goal is to help you think about investing in different way, a more straightforward way without all the fluff and sales tactics of the Wall Street culture. Listen is we share stories and insights on how to offer a truly unique approach to investing now onto the show. Hello. And welcome to another investing evolution podcast with Vince. Esposito? An rob is bits today. We're going to talk about something that not enough financial services professionals talk about which is what is preservation, and why don't advisers talk about it more. So Vince right out of the gate. We need to start with a good operational definition of what preservation is what is it in? What does it mean? Good question. Matt. Thank you preservation to us means don't lose big. And it's really our mantra here it's on garden. So we focus on preservation in our models to us. It's really really important to make sure that we don't lose big first. And then from there we look for for two days. How do you do differently than I mean, how how do you make it? And how is that mantra put into effect in your your systems for investing in your philosophy? So the first thing we do that as we get to know our clients, right? So it so don't lose big, obviously means different things to different people. So the first thing we do with their clients as we we get to know what their goals and aspirations are. And then we get a really good feel for what their risk tolerances. And see if there's a match between that and what they're trying to do with their money, and if not than we than we need to tweak it to figure out how we get there. But then once we do, and we figure out what what a big loss means to someone in in what preservation isn't there world, we make sure it matches up with with our thinking. And then we go ahead and build four folios with things that specifically are in there that are designed to protect on the downside, which is quite different from your traditional asset allocation type model that a lot of advisors employees. How do you figure out the risk though, guys? That's something to me. I had an adviser who was a friend of mine who wanted me to beta test his risk allies. And then after I took the risk allies. He said Matt you are investing like a ninety year old man. And I was like well, heck, I just answered the questions talk to me about how you guys use a risk tolerance and in different systems to flesh that out. Yeah. So risk allies is a great system attack one one that we use. We we moved over to using risk allies. What rob a couple years ago? Yeah. Yup. And really we have I think each of us in our careers before we were together. And especially since we've been together we have stressed tested a lot of risk models modeling software things like that. The thing we like about this one is it it shortens. The timeframe enough is everybody says there are long term investor until something goes horribly wrong. And what we like about this one in particular, the risk allies system is it the it looks at it on a six month timeframe, and we actually have a our own phrase, we call AB L and bins mentioned before we're trying to avoid the big loss and AB L. I'll always keeps us centered in so by extension. We wanna get a tool that could help us with that. And a tool that wouldn't just help us, but it would help yet the client in the right mindset to talk about what risk really needs and over timeframe. We're talking. Yeah. I find it much much more useful than your traditional risk tolerance questionnaire. Which is rob you, and I growing up in this business. We had paper risk tolerance questionnaires at all these really esoteric questions to try to figure out what someone's risk tolerances fast forward to today using risk allies in that that and using that six month timeframe, it's like, look if you got a million bucks, and your million bucks turned into seven hundred thousand in six months is that good with you. It makes it really really simple. And in quantifies it in a way that I think most most other systems don't do. And we love it. It really helps. I think it's been our experience bells that. People think they know themselves in an investment context. But investing is so inherently of motions when you get when it's not something that you do every day. And I think what we've trained ourselves to do obviously with the hard way you make a lot of mistakes along the way. But Vince, and I in in the team that we lead we've all been through the enough of battles. Whether it's with markets were were you're trying to put the right plan together. And I think with with anything like this. Yes, there's an emotional component to it in that has to be sort of right size for each investor in each investor is different. You say what's big loss and to Matt impersonating ninety year old it's one answer and to a thirty five year old couple that just had the first child it could be something else into somebody. See that's fifty five years old and wants to retire in five to ten years and things they have about enough money to do. It doesn't wanna blow it at the back end of all their working years. It's completely different. And I think what's really so significant this is you want to focus on risk tolerance. Which is why we we use risk allies and some other methods, but you also don't want to over correct? And so we go beyond just the simple question of hypothetical dollar routes. Let's talk about that loss though. So the AB L phrase for the big losses SunGuard mantra by let's talk about loss. I mean, everybody's gonna lose money at some point in their portfolio. I'm sorry. That just and maybe I'm not allowed to talk about salutes like that. But it seems that you know, if you're going to try to get some upside, there's the potential for downside. So you need to be prepared for that. But what what does it mean? Let's say somebody. Does lose X amount. Let's say it's thirty percent in their portfolio. How does that actually play out over time with with how flexible you all need to be and how much do they need to get back in order to just break even? Yeah. That's a great question. Matt. So would a lot of people don't realize if you lose thirty percent you need to make more than thirty percent. Just to get back to even in fact, it's actually rounded up. It's forty three percent on the upside just to get back to even. And that's one of the big reason in the numbers get worse as it goes. You know, if you lose forty percent or fifty percent of unit just the numbers get even worse as to what you need to make just to get back to even. So like rob said, we'd both been in this business along time. We've we've learned from our mistakes along the way and one of the big ones is if you if you wanna. Reap the rewards of of compound interest in I won't get into the details of that on this podcast. But I'm sure a lot of folks who've been investing for a long time in visors know-how compound interest works in in. It's it's very magical with the first thing you need to do to take advantage of that. It's not lose a lot of money. And that's why we're so focused on preservation, and so focused on getting that right with the client from the get-go as to why how much are we going to focus on preservation? Well, it's it's different for every client rights, if you're if you're a nine year old guy Matt nets year. It's the way you feel about investing than we need to be cognizant of that we need to make sure managing your portfolio to that risk tolerance. Because in working with us. We wanna forge a long term relationship. We wanna make sure that you get the type of investor experience that you signed up for. The risk is the risk of going a little bit Quant on you guys here. We I think especially after the kind of markets we've had over the last nine years for stocks and thirty five years for bonds. There haven't been a lot of uncomfortable moments. There have been a lot of chew pain points. And sometimes either people forget or they weren't investors. The last time this happened is particularly true bonds. But the even people know the stock market is Volvo least, I think they remembered his, but I was pulling something up. Here's we were. We were talking. I just within the last decade you had a period in which the the broad stock market S and P five hundred fell by over forty percent in six months. I remember that pretty well. Because it was the first time I manage to mutual fund and right out of the gates. What people may be don't understand is that even investments that may be in recent history have not produced major drops in value of they can do so very quickly. It wasn't that long ago that even portfolio of longer term Bonn. Sounds can fall by Kane to twenty percent before you can blink it. I and so a lot of times it would it comes back to is yet. There's there is risk of principle fluctuation in everything at the end of the day. I think this is what I think Vince the advisory folks here do so well is they tie that attitude toward risk put that way the attitude toward risk in in fluctuation in short term volatility in the value of your count. They tied that to what you're all of Jackson's are. I don't wanna say it's as simple as no pain, no gain. But he does need to be fleshed out. And and sometimes you only learn more by yourself as a desperate when you had some actual experience with it. Which is why the idea that we do focus on what the big loss of you can get that accurate for the client of front than. The wrist. You much better chance of having pretty smooth sailing from there to the expectations are in check. And I think that's where it really goes wrong for advisors of front the expectations between the advisor and the client are not set because like been said they just sort of Russia over it with a compliance of departments required response questionnaire Enron. There's something in there a need a little bit more color on you said bonds can fall ten to twenty percent. I don't I don't get that will I do. But can you give me a little more color cause because what most folks will do to to try to mitigate risk in create a portfolio that's quote conservative as put a lot of money in bonds. They've done so well over the last thirty years, I'm they well, my physicians friend, let me answer it this way. So you know, I great for Forbes pretty often. There was an article of if you months back and the title was had a lose seventy percent, really ease and it Banzer mass. Okay. And so when interest rates are going to you you have you have the amount of interest on pays who pawn. There's quote zero coupon bond, but I won't make it any more complex than it needs to be. So you you haven't amount that you're going to get from the issue of the bond, and then you have the impact of interest rates during the time you own the bomb. So if you own the bond, fizz, fizz, a three month treasury Bill will there isn't going to be that much time for the interest rate to fluctuate and the end you're gonna get back pretty much the money. You know that you that you put up in interest. So that's not the problem. But what a lot of people don't. Realizes that. Once you start to get into the realm of seven ten twenty thirty year bonds, or even some Basel go out to a hundred years maturity that introduces think about anything in in life. Are you more certain of what's gonna happen in your life over the next week over the next twenty or thirty years, right? So when you when you and apply just some basic math of the Bonn world to it. It's very easy to have. Let's say a bomb you buy with for with a hundred dollars of your harder. Monte, okay. Take a very, simple example. And yes, you can expect the issue would doesn't default? That in was a twenty years, you're going to get that hundred dollars back, but if interest rates start to go up that bond that they were paying you maybe three dollars a year interest on your hundred dollars. All of a sudden people can get similar bonds for four percent. Five percent. Six percent will how valuable is your three percent or not. You're stuck with it for twenty years in this example, and you're gonna you're gonna end up with the with a pretty big loss because the market reflects that at that's how you can lose money on bonds and much of people's money. These days in realize it is not advantages by you, hold until maturity, it's in bond funds that by very long term bonds in so they're introducing this basic bond risk that I that I just explained, but they're doing it hundreds of times over in a portfolio, and that's what we kinda real against at at sun garden, at least. In an environment. Where interest rates are about as low as they've been for forty years. Yeah. And I think the takeaway for me, rob. Thank you for that explanation. Should you need to you need to be more flexible, you need to think outside the box of little bit when building portfolios for folks that wanna focus on preservation and look not not everybody does. And if they don't that's cool. I get it. And then maybe maybe it makes sense to to look to some of these other areas, but but for our clients, you know, the folks that we work with as a general rule have either worked their entire life to build up a business in and sell it in need to live off that money or worked hard saving money in their retirement accounts in need to live off that money as well. So preservation is paramount in in. I think where we do a really good job is being flexible being adaptive thinking of other. Ways to to protect into build portfolios that we feel are are built to last through any market environment. And I'm gonna add one thing to add in maybe more specifically she's gonna out in adult with a fuel to the fire because I believe in. I'm not sure degree with events. But I think that was happened over the last thirty years, particularly with bonds is that a lot of people were sort of classically trained in in what they think bonds are. And it's all the entire spurious has been in a falling rating barring in a rising rate environment. Even if it's. It it takes a long time to play out years, maybe a decade or so history tells us that the type times written now, you can't just sort of mail it in on the bond side of your portfolio yet. If you look at the typical sixty forty mix that people have while the sixty is in stocks, and we can talk another time about. All the inherent use of just sort of mailing it in your on. Your stock portfolio is kinda taking with the market gives you were not fans of that. But on the bond side, the other forty percent of it. There is understanding that either they're going to be good contributors to the portfolio or that they're at least going to be sort of a flat performer and let the equity side of it. Do the work will I think that there is a tremendous lack of understanding believe it or not not just the investor community, but in the advisory community about that we're talking about when it comes to fixing the bond market. We could probably do a whole Todd cast on it. So definitely don't lie beat the dead horse. Cer- certainly there. There's some issues in. I'd say one other thing to us. That's really really important, rob, especially given our backgrounds in seeing seeing some things in this businesses having that daily liquidity, and and feeling like you have the ability to buy or sell something on any given day. If you if it really hits the fan, and you really really need to. It's almost like a what hear you saying if you if you buy some of these bond funds or by it's like, yeah, they might be they might be liquid. But you might find yourself in a situation where you're kind of backed into a corner half the sell it at a loss. I can tell you as someone that descends from a fellow that grew up in the depression in New York City, which is my father Carl is bits. I always felt is an investor in. No you to that you I have to start with the parade deplorables. What's the worst thing that can happen? And they go forward from there. And if in a investment advisor financial advisor or do yourself investor does not start with what's the worst thing can happen move forward from there. Then I think they're doing themselves disservice, and they're probably only going to be a successful as able market in stocks bonds were as a rising tide lifts althought. But what happens from the goes out? Right. Lint will warm of zits. I goes out. You can see women naked. Show. Let's hope not. But. Getting no doubt, no doubt. So, but but I do want our listeners also understand that beyond preservation as important as it is for us. I mean after all we're looking to deliver solid returns over time. So we're we're not so focused on the preservation side of the equation that we're not out there looking for opportunities. But I think the point is if you focus on that I in make sure that you don't have any disastrous situations in your portfolio, then you're you're putting yourself in a position to be able to do that to be able to go out there and look for opportunities and take advantage of them. And I think one of the one of the interesting things about the way we manage money is on the income side and will save the, you know, the growth side for another podcast on the income side, we generate the majority of our income from dividends and. A lot of our clients have money in taxable accounts and in this day and age in until things change. It's a really favorable way to generate in create income from tax standpoint dividends are tax much lower rate than than other traditional ways of income like bonds, or even a new these I have to pause you here because I'm just sitting back in, you know, thinking like a ninety year old here because obviously that's what my risk. Tolerances are just on paper on paper. So I'm hearing you talk about preservation, how important it is to preserve their their capital right there nest egg in I understand at least. I'm hearing you when it comes to daily quitted he to take advantages or to run if need be, but guys I mean their products in place for this. Right. I mean there there are annuities products. That guarantee you a specific amount of income potentially for the rest of your. Life. Why in God's name 'em. I not using that. That's good question. And and you certainly can't if you're willing to deal with all the things that go along with doing that. Okay. You have to tell me what the things because because I'm hearing what you're saying in. Honestly, a lot of sense to me. But I I've also heard the pitch on the other end. So help me understand that a little bit more. Please. Now, it's my turn play facetious guy. Right. Vince, there is such a thing as a free lunch in investing isn't there? No. Tell me more. Look would I wanna say I before I get in to get on my soapbox about the products. Matt you're discussing mainly newest he's I can I can tell you that in the course of my twenty four twenty five year career. I have come across situations where I said that they're appropriate. I I don't, you know, occurrence don't don't use new these. Here's garden. It's not. It's not part of what we do. But there are situations where they make sense. But I think they're few and far between in. Controversial. I would venture to say that if a new itys didn't pay such a big commission to the folks that sold them there'd be a lot less of them. Decades-old? With that said that some of the things that we don't like about annuity so one big one is the liquidity, right? I mean, I I like to invest money in places that I know if if we're wrong, we can get the heck out anytime want any day, we want Sundar really based on that. Right. I mean that really is one of our our founding principles that we only want to invest, and we we get hitched sings from our industry constantly immediately. We dismiss so many of them because they don't offer the ability to change your mind soon. We want change our mind. Okay. I'm still going to play devil's advocate here because you guys are are doing such a good job of of kind of arguing back and forth. Well, you're the same. Okay. So commit commissions aside. Right. The liquidity aspect of it. How were you from a disciplinary standpoint in an investment discipline standpoint, not reacting emotionally, right? So having this daily acquitted seems to me to allow you to get caught up in the emotion of investing. Such a great question. And I say all the time it's nearly impossible to make smart investment decisions. Based on you feel. I mean, it's really really hard to do. Because when you feel like absolute garbage and the world's coming to an end in. Everybody hates the stock market in stock. You can't make any money buying stocks. Like people fell in two thousand eight two thousand nine was probably the buying opportunity of our lifetime. Those of us on this podcast. But you felt really really terrible in vice versa. I would say everybody right now feels awesome. Except with the exception of what's happened over the last month, some people haven't even noticed that. Like, man, stocks are gray people are talking about at go to the barbershop. Everybody's don't go the barber shop. I take back. You go out about town. People are talking about stocks in how much money friends are making. They're making stocks. Everybody feels really good about it. And I would argue it's probably not the best time to back up the truck on on these these Uber aggressive type of of equities. So what do you do to get around this this whole emotional rollercoaster? I think what you do in in what we do here. Son, Garner's, we have a process, and we stick to the process in we end, we believe in it. And and we we constantly valid in make it better. But it's something we can fall back on in in. Helen, it helps us get our emotions out of the way. Because if we Robin I've spent a lot of time, many, many, many, many hours owning this investment process in different things that we watch. And why we watched him while we follow them and for us the process. Works. It is podcast is about preservation primarily and preservation has a high component of risk management, and we've yourselves as risk managers before everything else. Because typically somebody's accumulated a lot of assets. The first thing I wanna make sure is with big losses. We said earlier and one of our clients had a great expression for this. I want to minimize maximum regret, which is financial emotional Saint time. Which is why love that that phrase? It's great and into Vince is right about the process. And, but it would everybody said they have a process, I think some processes are Bill to where the time is their friend. In other words, just be alone term investor in you'll be fine. And that opens you up to a wide range of possibilities in and a lot of people don't want to be open to. All those possibilities. So a along with the process within the process there must be discipline. And what is the discipline will well in layman's terms is having guardrails around what you willing to do. And now refer back again, the risk allies score in that part of the discovery process with with with any new or exist, implying we update those. Is to try to define the guardrails and then from actual experience. You also get a pretty good idea of what the guard rails are. And we're long short investors of at the core. And if you're investing in things that by their nature can tamp down volatility, then you have built in guard rails. And I'm sure we'll go into that in depth another podcast. But for sure. There have to be guard rails in I guess the other phrase, I would keep in in mind of home longtime this, you know, rob. What is great about e you folks, son garden is that you realize that even though I may quote, long term investor that the long-term is made up of many shorter term periods of time in you actually, take the care to proactively oversea end when necessary make decisions in those timeframes in you don't just lean back to to rooting for the portfolio to go up waving the flag. Four for Uber. Longterm investing because they're different timeframes support. If I could pull up. Cut ourselves on the back if the market's down thirty and we're down twenty seven. That doesn't work for us. Nobody pension world. They'll probably give you more money 'cause you'd beat the bench more. It's a different world. That is not us. So how do we wrap up? How do we wrap this up in a nice tight little bow for today? Good good question. I think it's done. So I think we've we've said pretty much all there is to say on the preservation front, but the I'm think we touched enough on the income. And why why dividends why do we focus on generating most of our income from dividends one tax advantages are very very important. But I think what's also really important when it comes to dividends as there's potential for your income stream to grow over time because companies that are doing well that have good profits. That are in good businesses that have great balance sheets, they tend to raise their dividend overtime and not a lot you know, it. But if you take a small, let's say two percent dividend raise every year over ten years. It moves the needle, and you just don't get that opportunity in a new ities. You don't get that opportunity in bonds. I think it's the only place that I know of that that there's potential for that to happen. And. Everything else goes up in price. Right. So it's important for for us to be kind of that over the long haul to. And win with so much a real price fluctuation in some of that you have to figure out that in the stock market. We get the dividends from I think one of the things that really is differentiate or our investment process, and in it's a good one of the guard rails that I've talked about again, I I'm sure we'll discuss this more deeply another podcast, but there's really a two tier approach to how we approach dividend invested. There are the core. Stocks company's growing dividends that Vince just talked about. And then there is also a tactical component to because one way to adapt to the way markets have changed over the last ten to fifteen years in particular. They've got more volatile. There's a lot of players that were involved before this win prices round. And so it encourages us to think in different timeframes. And so yes, there are plenty of stocks in the long side of the folio that we would like to own for a few years more. And then there also others where we're kind of keyed in on the dividend. We wanna try to the income without having too much capital arms way. And I think I'll leave it at that for for this broad brush on preservation in. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks, vince. I love the idea that you guys are are looking at something in a fundamentally unique and different way to provide your clients and investors an alternative something that is highly advertised that is highly commission structured and also is highly talked about to the point where people don't think there's another option having another option for you. And your portfolio can make a huge difference when it comes to your long term investing. 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Hour 2: Tim Kurkjian

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Hour 2: Tim Kurkjian

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I start for Australian soccer league side, central coast, Mariners with two goals against MacArthur, southwest in a preseason friendly into goals, Volta to goals. These early better than anyone who's ever played soccer in the United States. Ed finally. This is the tough on edge. Sharon's shape of you is the most streamed song in Spotify history for all the latest headlines that information due to the sportscenter on ESPN radio all throughout today. All right. If you wanna talk baseball or if you wanna talk life, if you need advice, etiquette, Tim Kirch is here for all your needs seven, eight, six, four, five, six, four, eight, three, seven is the telephone number. If you wanna talk to Tim, Kirk last week checked in with him. He had a wedding right to God's wasn't. He wasn't he in a wedding during a big baseball day. And so he was going to be checking on scores from his nephew's wedding. Yes. So we we discussed this last week and I think there was a quadruple header on that day. We're Tim had the wedding and he was a little nervous how he was gonna take in all the actions, Tim. I'm wondering, can you paint a picture of yourself at this wedding, very important wedding for you and your family? Can you paint a picture of you sneaking away watching baseball. I did not watch one pitch ball from the Yankees. Red Sox game last Saturday night. The venue had no television in it, and it was a great wedding. It was for my nephew very close to. So I did the right thing by not searching for a TV, but there was no TV in the venue. And my oldest brother was giving me updates on the ankles Red Sox, but I did not check it myself. How about that? What's amazing. Stunning. So not even on your phone, Tim, did your body start at ching? Like did you get a rash of some sort? Well, I was standing next to my brother and sitting next to my brother for most of the night. So he was checking for me though. I didn't get any bad itches or rashes. I did the right thing at a wedding for my nephew, your brother was doing play. Why wasn't it? He was doing he. He was a, he's an Astros fan, so he was keep me posted on both games that day. Astros Indians. And then at night, Red Sox, Yankees, Tim, Kirk church with us. The playoffs are in full bloom, the Yankees complaining about angel Hernandez who I have called the blight depan my people, everyone agrees to him that that he's terrible empire. Like everyone says that. I've never heard it quite like this ac- you know, some people would complain about Joe west, but I've never heard it like this about one guy who's the who's the empire that you've gotten the most complaints about in your life. Well, angel Hernandez is near the top of that list, but it's not because he's a bad umpire or really bad empire. It's because he doesn't deal with people particularly well. We can be abrasive. He does it work with the players or the managers, as well as they would like having said that he had a terrible night at first base, which is well chronicled and night behind the play. I didn't think it was as bad as he's about the said, but he's not particularly well regarded umpire, but it must be well regarded enough to work a playoff game because they put him in a big one this year. Does angel Hernandez looked like the mask you buy when you're going as a roaring twenties Munster for Halloween. Does Andy Reid looked like a civil war reenactor who just got reprimanded for wearing glasses that are historically inaccurate. I'll blow your on with Tim coaching. Go ahead. Blow. What dry, what guys you more crazy Malta. They're called strikes or strikes that are called balls. I think it's strikes that are balls that are called strikes. Look is hard enough to hit in the big leagues today. Most hitters have virtually no chance. It gets a pitcher with great stuff who is locating and when they great pitcher with great stuff gets away with pitches that are not in the strike zone that frustrates me even more than the other way, but it does bother me tremendously when that pitch that is two inches above the belt is called high when it is not it is a strike, and sometimes it isn't called that way. Those berry Melrose looked like the head of casino security for one of those sad Las Vegas hotel. I take that as a yes, you're on ESPN radio with Tim. Kirk should go ahead Meg. Good morning, Tom. I'm wondering what was the full menu and what did you choose at the wedding to eat this weekend? It was a buffet style, which was great. Maybe you could go back and eat. They had a beef dish and chicken and pasta and some great, great potatoes and vegetables. So I ate all of it and it was all good. Sean McVeigh looked like he sits on the bench, press going through his phone instead of working out. Does look like that. Does Paul finebaum looked like the snooty spectator at an opera who uses these tiny binoculars to gaze upon the from his luxury. Does your on with Tim perks? Go ahead, Mike, he likes the finebaum one takes particular delight in the finebaum. Go ahead, Mike, you're on with Kirk Shon. Hey, Tom, I was just wondering who could take a fastball off the stomach better Bartolo Cologne, or Dan. Oh, or total Cologne by mile because he's a baseball player and he's used to do these things really good fielding pitcher for a heavyset forty, four year old man. He's a pretty darn good hitting pitcher for a heavyset forty, four year old man. So he could take anything in baseball punishment of any kind better than Dan could because he's a baseball player at Dan is not mentioned, so we can take suspension is better than. TIMMY, how do you attack the cocktail hour? Because the last time I was at a wedding Sodano's wedding, actually Dan's dad, and he taught me a very valuable lesson. He just found where the waiters and waitresses were coming out and we just stood right that we posted up right there and pigs in a blanket all night. How do you go about the cocktail hour. At a wedding. You mean Jess? Well, this wedding was absolutely perfect. You walked out of the area where the two got married and literally two feet away was reception area. And the second that you walked in, there were four bars that were opened. So nobody waited for drink. Nobody had to wait for anything. It was absolutely perfectly done when it came to the open bars scenario where you drunk know how old you. I was the designated driver. I had five people in my car, and I was in charge. So I'm a very responsible guy when it comes to those things. So I got everyone home safely. And that was the most important thing. How drunk were they? Not too bad. In fact, that was not that was less dancing. I was told at that wedding, then any wedding, any of our kids have been to and even though it was fun, it wasn't. Raucous because the husband a wife weren't rockets, and it turned out to be a wonderful night, but not a crazy wedding night, Greg, you're on with Tim. Kirk should go ahead, Greg. Hey, Jim, a brace, thin. I've been hearing rumors that Freddie Freeman minutes strength convinced the organization to pick up Bryce Harper. What are your thoughts on that? Well, it certainly would make a lot of sense. Bryce Harper's really good player, and the Braves have turned the corner, and they could always use another star player on that team, I guess, is that's not going to be his first choice. I would think the Phillies dodgers cubs would be ahead of the Braves, but you could do a whole lot worse and be the twenty four twenty five year old guy and go join a team that just made the playoffs. And as that many really good young players on it to me, I feel like I need your permission on this. If Kershaw is lousy tonight and I crush him on Monday. You're going to cry my no matter what is due God. So this is his twenty first postseason start tonight. And I think he's completely turned the corner as far as any sort of postseason struggles and he has great numbers at Miller park. So I'm not into supporting any sort of major problems for Kershaw tonight. What if he gets clobbered headed rhythm? Because you will anyway. Thank you, Tim. How do the brewers hang with the dodgers considering there seems to be a discrepancy and starting pitching quality? Yes. The dodgers have demonstrably better starting pitching than the brewers do, but twice in majorly history, we've had seven gates series won by team that use more relief innings than starter innings. I was seventy nine and two thousand one. So you can win a seven game series by using your bullpen more than. You use your starters, that's how the brewers can win the series and they can win this series, but they're going to have to make sure they use that bullpens as affected as possible because it's one thing to sweep three games over the Rockies and use the bullpen that much. Now you're gonna need a baby for seven game that will be the challenge, but it has been done before does Bret bielema looked like the guy who listens to the beginning of your story about adopting a cat and immediately interrupts you with. I'm a dog person. Does Trey wingo looked like he spends part of his Saturday shopping for a pair of white socks that have enough elasticity to keep themselves up, but not so much that they cause a visible line on the skin. Does Frank Sola look like an FBI informant. Men. Does does Matt Patricia look like he enjoys throwing people in the pool. I. Joe mini Moni. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom. My first experience with jewel. I do remember being like this, good. It's it's it's like a cigarette, but not. I don't miss smoking at all. Like I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette Asher lingering odor make the switch and j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive, chemical. Donlevatar, mummy human. Do you say to this me still gods. Do you know poet base as they lebatardshow with Stu gods on ESPN radio. So you may have heard that college football players at Oklahoma cannot legally be paid, but their defensive coordinator recently fired because somehow they lost Texas, which had lost to Maryland, Mike stoops who's chief qualification for that job was being born with the last name stoops. He will be paid monthly until two thousand twenty twenty five thousand dollars a month. He will just be paid monthly until two thousand twenty. That's not a coach. That's not a head coach a coordinator at a big program. There's not money for the kids. They say they can't pay for the kids, but they can do things like that. And they do things like that at every turn and they can pay the coaches. These ridiculous salaries. Now keep in mind that his salary allegedly according to the. Oklahoma and was two hundred seventy five thousand dollars. That's the base salary. But then when you start playing around with some of these things that coaches play around with and you'll stay benefits personal services appearances on behalf of the university. It's goes up to a million for being a stoops and like I just don't see how you look at that and don't see something fundamentally wrong with it. I pay stoops with education. He's got plenty of time now. Go pay him, pay him with education, right? Let him go to the library as much as he likes as he could check out as many books as he likes. It's a big bonus. He gets he can take as many classes as he likes. Let's give stoops let's pay him in the monthly installments of of all the classes he'd like until two thousand and twenty eight at fury aiding. But I wonder like if stoops if he takes another job, I'm assuming those payments go away. If he takes another Geno that's severance that's just he had just recently signed an extension. All of that is severance they just they just give him an extension. Then they're like, oh, that Texas laws never mind. Let's get somebody who costs more money because there are no salary. Caps code, Oklahoma would be kind of foolish to give him a non compete. I want to ask you guys something might because I don't know what the rules are, but pop culture was consumed yesterday with the circus at the White House where you've got Kanye west in the presence of Donald Trump and. Hijinks ensued. So there was a sports science. Jim Brown was there l. that's right. Sports tie, and that's right. Jim Brown was lording over the preceding. Thank you, Mike. I'm here for you. Be careful. So what I wanted to ask you guys about, because we've talked about some of this before. I can't wait till the book gets written on this. Okay. Late night. Television has been a fascination in this country for a long time. Jimmy Carson Ed Sullivan, Johnny, Johnny. Carson. Wow, and just fifty dollars. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry there to Jimmy's in prime time and late night. Fair enough. I know it is bad. That five dollars five, five always said. So Johnny Carson. If you've books have been written about the war between Letterman Leno to have the tonight show, which was America's place to watch television. One of the most esteemed programs in the history of television Letterman was deeply hurt by not getting the tonight. Show Leno, got it. And then became somebody who was milk toast on purpose so that he could be popular to the masses and what has happened since Trump was elected to late night, television is that Jimmy Fallon was given that tonight show and he inherited. He had some talent. He did some musical things. He did some creative things with celebrities played funny games with them, Justin Timberlake, but he got swallowed so fast because he could not keep up with Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel, and Seth Meyers who were doing politics. He doesn't want to do politics. He doesn't want to do polarizing. And the reason I bring this up is because Jimmy Kimmel did something really moving, and you know how late. Night works. Now it's not people watching late at night. It's them sharing clips. The following morning of what happened on late night, television. It's all change. But Jimmy Kimmel did something where I believe this woman from Texas created song viral song about the president's comments that this is a very hard time for boys. It's an exceptional song and you with daughters should check this out because I bet you they get moved by it, Mike, can we get the sound to Jimmy Kimmel? Can we see if we can get that cleared before the end of the show so that I can the reason it was moving was done with such a deft touch, right? So you're flying in a viral video woman who is saying moving song that has reached people with with power, it's an inspiring song. And so what happens is she's out there singing the handled it with such great such touch. She's out there singing, and then women start coming in singing behind her singing behind her. And then after that young girls come and sing with her, and the song is is is funny and sad, but it's just not something Fallon would do like Fallon doesn't want in those waters. He. Doesn't have a party everything I know, but what's amazing about it is how he's gone. It's this brand that is one of the most sacred brands in the history of American media has been swallowed because the other guys are better at politics than he is now. It's still Kasur finally wins. However, Colbert has a winning streak here recently, in fact, recently got over a million viewers more to his show than Fallon's, but but still relatively tight. I wouldn't throw dirt on Jimmy Fallon's grab, but I'm saying, well, he's given up a lead that was, I mean, he's given up the inheritance. Inheritance has gone like that is that's that shows prestige. You don't finish second place. There was a time where people thought Gobert went last year. Like that's how far ahead Fallon was. There was a time in the the gap was what the Gavin. We have to go find that are you? Okay? Yeah. Why? It sounded weird existed. All right, you sure I'm fine. Yeah, you get. Are you not stunned by how quickly that gap closed anybody. Colbert found his lane. He was struggling. Mike, Jimmy Kimmel is now to in healthcare. He's out here doing. He's doing me to like that was that he wasn't going for funny with what he was doing last night. Kobero is kind of had that lane though the lane found him when Trump was elected. Yeah, that's true. But that change everything. It's the combination of Trump and technology have sort of turned a late night television upside down donlevatar. I would love to see you own a form. What would you love of God? I think I would starve. I would lose weight. I wouldn't know what to do to God's sit on a tractor. Imagine Mike milk, Mike pal. There can't be a worse farmer than me anywhere walking. This plan become a close second on that. I don't. I think everybody in the world would be better than me live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. What was Beckham find four like is that a normal thing? I know that there are fines all over sports, but making comments in an interview is not usually something that results in organizational action. Are they finding him because he did an interview outside of their umbrella. One of these can find their own players. This isn't a league fine. This is conduct detrimental to the team as a team software, but have you heard it's according to Jake laser? Have you heard of reports before an? I'm sure there there must be right, but if you're telling me that he was fine for comments, what were the comments he was fine for? Was it when he was asked if the giants had an issue a quarterback? You said, quote, I don't know. Like I said, I feel like he's not going to. Get out of the pocket. He's not. We know allies not running it, but it isn't a matter of time issue. Can he still throw it? Yeah, but it's been pretty safe and it's been, you know, cooled catching shallow routes and trying to take it to the house. But I'm, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody that's not findable. They find those are the comments. Yes, that's why they find him. Are the ones did it? Yeah. I'm asking you guys, do you think that's fine? -able you think that's a final offense? I, I can't. His answer wasn't. Yes. They answer was initially, I don't know, and then he volunteered plenty. But he said, I don't know. I could see where the team has a problem with that. I don't win all of it dead. I don't dispute why it is or how it is that the team has a problem with it. I dispute a union allowing a player to lose money over things said during an interview that are that benign. That's what I'm I'm trying to take degrees at this. Yes, of course. We can all agree that this would be perceived by Pat Shurmur as conduct detrimental. What I'm saying to you though, is that this interview these words that I just read to you? They're not that flammable there flammable because it's that guy saying it while sitting next to little Wayne if it had been shepherd saying, is it also a fine do even care? I mean, you didn't feel this way when number twenty one for the Miami Heat, got fine for saying there's a lot of teams that use their center. It's bleed that we don't. He got fined for that. This is not uncommon across sports, and now we would not care of shepherd, said the same exact thing. No one would get little way won't be sitting next to shepherd. Jesse Anderson won't be traveling to go see shepherd. No one would care if Shepard had anything to say he's shepherd. I had such a problem with what Joe buck and Troy Aikman we're doing yesterday did Martellus Bennett, man. They just singled out. They just don't in on Beckham first off. He makes a block that spring saquon Barkley free for touchdown. No one mentions it on the broadcast Odell. This is a scored a potentially put the giants back in the game. Odell on the sideline is trying to get his team back into it. Hyping himself up screaming into a sideline fan, the history, onyx of punching the sideline fan, but they made it, oh, man, this is a mess on the sideline. Now we actually just made a huge play that you never discussed and he's trying to get a steel visit. This is this broadcast, okay, and I know buck and Aikman are you know the broadcast team, they are the lead voices, but that. Team. Joe buck or one of his most famous moments was getting indignant just outraged by Randy moss pantomime ING mooning the Green Bay crowd. When this this season, somebody New York jet, I believe. Yeah, right. But with the football was pretty quiet, but but this is this kind of stuff. Okay. Look, this has been happening a longtime in my journalism career when. In the broadcast booth. It's the old white guys raining down, you know, judgment on the behavior of the young black guys. This is something that's having for a long time. And in this case, you've got Joe buck a personal friend of mine and tro Troy Aikman who is a quarterback would usually doesn't say very many controversial things on the broadcast, but it's probably going to protect other quarterbacks. And certainly even though he had Michael bleep in Irvine is his wide receiver and should know something about these things. He is going to likely understand the quarterbacks position better than the wide receivers position. But this has been happening my entire life in sports journalism where one attitude in the press box is different from the attitude on the field of the star player. But some of this is on the star player. He wants to be destroyed. He clearly wants story. I don't have an issue and listen in a blowout game. They're focusing on the story lines which are Odell Beckham, junior and Eli, manderson. Good, but but no, no, no, no. But wait, there's plenty of talk about Eli was not the same stugatz. It's simply wasn't. There's nobody in our audience who heard that that did not sound like the criticism of Eli manning was the same as the criticism of Odell Beckham and Eli, Manning's play was actually bad. I know I'm just pointing out that there was some credit. It was not the same. You're right, but there was some criticism even from Aikman directed towards ally manning. So there was some of that, and I'm just saying without Dell like, listen, you going to do that interview and you want to be that guy. You want to be the star. You're going to be the focus, whether your team is winning or losing. That's it. That's the deal. I mean, they're going to focus on storylines he's the main storyline in the NFL. Right? Did feel like a bit of television was happening there with the way that they were slanting. Things were even positioning saquon as this veteran leader on the team, even though as rookie because he went to Odal trying to calm them down and I'm seeing the video and I'm like, that's not what's happening. There are two players trying to hype each other up because they just made a big play. Odell made a. A block ally. Apple always on the sideline. I don't enjoy volunteers at he doesn't like any of this. They just thought they had a fumble. What is going on here? Are you just trying to keep me invested to watch what's going to happen on the sideline? So here's Martellus Bennett. Writing on Twitter, man. These commentators have taken a hundred and fifty shots at our Dell tonight. Shut the bleep up. Talk about the game, stop trying to vilify every single thing he does. The giants are bad team into not because of him criticize how bad ally is playing. All I'm saying is that I believe as a commentator, your job is to point out all the things going on in the game highlighting how plays breakdown and why. Instead they pick a person in nitpick at one guys, every move they made the game harder to watch when they should make it more interesting. Odell did nothing wrong in that game on the field. He went all out effort. He was blocking for these screens that they called way too many of I didn't understand the obsession with him. So somebody writes back tomorrow Telus Bennett use aound jealous, and his response is jealous of what. I'm smoking a blunt eating, a slice of cake, washing it down with room, temperature water, watching despicable me. I'm sure they're probably jealous of me. Dumb MS gasoline. They were jealous. You gotta go milk now, water. Support for the Dan lebatardshow podcast comes for friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety and stress for a lot of people. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans are doing something about that. They're calling it, the power buying process. Here's how it works. Wiccan lows will verify your income, your assets and credit and less than twenty four hours to give you a verified approval that gives you the strength of a cash buyer. Then what you're verified, you qualify for their all new exclusive rate shield approval. This is very cool here. 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Guillermo is the home of the his, the red zone channel, the home of the falcon. So many of you are complaining anytime anyone mentioned anything about race. We get the very common complaints and the people telling us they're going to leave. And what I'm telling you now is if you do not like race talk, I understand. I just say, go now. No one here will miss us. So just go, just because I'm going to do it this segment, if you if you don't want it, you can leave it. So Troy Aikman and Joe buck were. We're in the broadcast booth last night and what I'm talking about here. I don't even see how it's up for dispute throughout my lifetime. What I have seen from media members is the people generally who are white in the press box, have white sensibilities, and they're different from black sensibilities. And so, oh Dell. Beckham behaves that way yesterday and you don't ever see a white wide receiver behave that way. You sometimes see the quarterbacks behave that way, but we throw that under fire from Tom Brady or Philip rivers, it's fire. It's not what Odell Beckham was doing because he's got the dyed blonde hair and he's just a different kind of dude. But I'm also not saying that the history onyx are a black thing. What I'm saying is that black people and white people play sports differently. So of course, Odell Beckham would look at the game differently than Troy Aikman does. Of course, Michael Irvin would look at the game differently than Troy Aikman does. And so what ends up happening last night is the whole thing gets run. The whole racial thing gets largely run throughout my career through a white prison because the white people have been the columnists on ESPN raining down judgement on bad behavior and bad character. And over time, the press box has gotten more and more diverse. And this happens less and less, but. But Joe buck and Troy Aikman from the old school man and they are what? What mean? Joe book? He kind of seems a little cooler than this. I'm not wait a minute though. He gets mad about he got mad about the Randy moss thing. And when I'm saying that racist playing a factor, I'm not saying that racism is playing a factor. We play games differently, man, black people, Brown people, white people, play games differently. We showered differently how we learn this week. Black people ain't got no time for the white people's non use of the wash cloth when cleaning the for. Different about a lot of different things have changed with lupus though. Why people love loofah. Thank you. Cross all racial boundaries. We evolved loofah where it's at because even the wash clause cloth when you think about it can kind of be filthy too, but what am I saying that's bothering anybody, Mike, what isn't it? Isn't what I'm saying obvious like is it just that any time that race gets mentioned, everyone's going to put up their fists and run in different directions. Like what I'm saying is, yeah, yeah, people don't want to have that discussion because del doesn't make for good mortar, but okay, but fine. He doesn't make for good martyr. But would you not understand Martellus Bennett perspective on it like he's doing that differently than Troy? Aikman is, do you do magin why it may be because they were smoking a blunt meeting cake and room temperature water. But it can also be because his perspective and the perspective of the Bennett brothers, it's probably just a little bit different than the average white persons and a little bit different than the average commentators and both your points are allowed to exist. But for a long time, the viewpoints have been monopoly. Allies in front of microphones by white people, and that's changing now. And as that changes, you see this dissipating, man, there has been a climate shift, a cultural climate shift with social media. Young people are deciding how these things get talked about. Young people are deciding that's generational. That's not cultural and young people are more liberal about this stuff. Young people are more bothered by Troy Aikman and Joe buck, then they're going to be by Odell Beckham. Yeah, they still represent Joe buck and Troy Aikman so represent the majority opinion, but the minority and Keach Royce of words, I guess, is becoming more and more vocal, and they support what their dollars people love their. There's a fraction of the audience that really digs owed ELS attitude and his marketability, and they support him by buying his jersey and his Nike fire. It's the new template if you want your q. rating to succeed to not be boring, don't be be interesting. We. We will. We will continue to support the products. You are schilling. If you remain interesting in the way to be interesting now is Cairo. Irving, man, Kyrie Irving wasn't a star. He he drafted in LeBron's wake and then said, SIA, how much of this television. Now, how much this is just narrative pushing keeping people invested in blowout games, keeping people invested in a bad team to get a lot of good television. Let me ask you this, and that's fine. You are right that that ends to God's made a good point when he's talking about Odell Beckham is brought all the narratives to them in a blow out. People are going to talk about the stories, but man, I wouldn't mind talking about the story today that Troy Aikman said, Eli, Manning's done, and she'd get out the cat a strong opinion about that. Like if there was strong but not this code among quarterbacks and broadcasters where we protect the coaches and quarterbacks Troy Aikman could have said, hey, look at this thirty seven year old Eli manning now maybe he doesn't feel that way, but I'm saying there are ways to make the story interesting that isn't just killing Odell Beckham off the top of my head. There seemed to be a sequence in which six straight plays were screened. A screen passes including one on third and sixteen that jumps out we should talk about. I don't understand why last night they were not crushing ill, I manning, 'cause all of us were washed watching a washed quarterback. We were watching a watched quarterback. Thank you for washing father says that at the end of every highly questionable students out by the pool. We go to the grid of death. Next.

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29 | Higens

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29 | Higens

"And it wasn't one or two. It was thin tire. Village was coming out onto this street. And I'm running down the middle of it. They were closing in around me when Davin Higgins got into counter intelligence, the twin towers still were standing and the job mostly involved running assets and hotspots as a way of keeping tabs on potential threats. But when he found himself in Iraq in the early days of the war on terror running assets took on gency, he couldn't have imagined before because in Iraq. There always was a ticking bomb somewhere, I hear this loud explosion. I automatically knew what had happened. I knew his abomb. What is true bravery? What makes a hero a hero tested by the worries of what's happening at home, thousands of miles away and the reality of what you're facing here. And now when your life is in danger every second and it's either kill or be killed and original podcast from incongruity media. This is Anthony Russo. And this. Is war? Devin Higgins, left college to join the army in the late nineteen ninety s he already was married, but the demands of work and school meant he didn't see his wife Rebecca that often. So he balked when an army recruiter approached him at first he didn't wanna trade not seeing her much for not seeing her for a year at a time during deployments, but the recruiter short him that the worst case scenario would be a six month stint in the Balkans. So he signed up to be a counterintelligence agent or CI and upon finishing his training moved with his wife to Germany at first. It was just like the recruiter said and in September two thousand one Higgins found himself deployed on a mission in the Balkans would nine eleven happened. I was part of an ad von for K for Wieder at a dock because that's where we were actually going to bring equipment in and out of coastal phone started ringing, and we're like what's going on. There's probably fifteen twenty of us in a bunch of phone started ringing about the same time. And they said there's been a terrorist attack. So my colleague either team. You see I guys there at this time we jump in our car and we'd run back to the hotel. And we watch CNN. We watched the towers fall. We watched the second plane run into the tower. Well, were twenty people we don't have any guns. We don't have anything at all. We don't have any way of protecting ourselves. The Bulgarian military actually come over takeover, the hotel and secure it for us at that time. We get orders. There's a lot of US contractors out there. They come down and say, hey, you guys need to go out and find all that Americans there and tell them where they can go to get if they feel threatened to come to safety where we're at. So we're in the middle of this town wandering around finding all Americans throat telling them where we're at in case, they need some safety. It was kinda crazy to know that we were the people out there trying to gather everyone out we were twenty four twenty five year old kids. I remember driving back to the hotel. And I was thinking his Malaya's has got a reputation. And history of taken over airplanes. This has got to be his blah. And by the time, we got back there things have been kind of clarified and came out that it was out Qaeda. I'm a white guy, and my colleague was Hispanic. So he kind of blended in with the Bulgarian people. But they knew I was American. So whenever I stepped into a hotel or things like that all eyes turn to us Higgins had a knack for developing local sources, he was good at working with translators and making connections and introductions as a way of creating kind of information stream or information infrastructure that he could put to good news. As Afghantistan was about to kick off Higgins was helping the air force coordinate logistics, putting them in touch with people who could get their bombers refuelled as the war on terror prepared to get underway. But by the end of two thousand and three he and his family were back and forth. Collins they were going to start their new lives there when he got the call after only thirty days back in the US Higgins was bound for Iraq and his duty stace. Was stands out for me. The most is the way I viewed people in Iraq. I went into Iraq with the mindset that if you're not helping me your hindering me, you're going in with pure authority. There wasn't any local police. There wasn't a local city government or anything like that. We were everything. And so I go into if a raid, and if the guidance or my question has came up we're taking him back to my detention center, and I'll have more time within there. I didn't have to ask any permission. It was my option and that kinda sorta power can become intoxicating you have complete control of this guy. He doesn't do anything without your, okay? If you do not check yourself, then you can get out of control. If you wanna get intelligence you have to give him the right motivation to talk to you torturing someone. Isn't getting intelligence. They will tell you whatever you wanna hear to stop that pain. It doesn't increase our mission. At all you've got to go in there with a specific goal and go towards that information the process, generally would go like this Higgins would accompany guys out on patrols when they cleared houses. He would interrogate the people they've found sort of any paperwork and see if there was anything promising. His approach was simple, given the patrols were happening. Anyway, they may as well be pointed. So we often tried to provide command with an actionable lead to start today, and from there, sometimes they would get more Intel to use his hope was as simple as plan catch bombmakers and discover weapons caches, but in the early days of the war knowing whom to trust could be a real problem. I'm always suspicious of someone that is kind of working with us. I always hung out within terp enters when we hired local nationals at the bazaars and stuff I hung out there because I knew those way our insider threats we hired. A bunch of interpreters right off the street. We didn't have any those are the only ones we could find we weren't prepared to go entire hack. So anyone that spoke English and Arabic. We hired. I did the screening on them. And eventually I caught one for giving information to the insurgency. And then I got another one I sent him to add a grave after a while. I started name I'm like, you're going to be three four five and six and eventually sooner or later, I think I ended up catching six out of the eight that we hired right there. This one interpreter he was screening people that were supposed to come directly to us. He was taken pitchers of all of us. I've been building this case for a long time. But because this interpreter was such a good friend of the command element. He was there interpreter I had a really walked lightly on how I was going to approach this. If I make his life miserable. He's gonna make my life miserable. So how do I tell him that his interpreters handing information off to the? Bad people, and we need to take him in for interrogation. The best political solution was to highlight the threat in his reports and have that threat removed from above commander to commander before anything bad happened. So that's what he did navigating rock in those early days was a real problem because it was money to be had it wasn't unusual for interpreters to play both sides against the middle. And there was little choice. Americans had Higgins needed interpreters. Everyone was conducting vetting process at breakneck speed for him. The easiest thing to do was to watch them closely and to make it clear that the benefit of working with the Americans had a million more upsides than taking their money and then spying on them. I was at the city hall, and I was talking to this real douchebag. I mean, I hated him. And if I would have stuck around a little bit longer than I probably would have had him back in my held in facility. But he was like the city planner, and we were just setting there talking NASA. Now, there's no problems here. This. Is a good city. There's no insurgency by took my body armor off and my helmet off. And just kind relaxing their listened to be s this guy went on for about five minutes. How great this city is and an RPG hit right behind as it broke the class and stuff so spread all over us. And I I lost it. I grabbed my helmet, and I swung. It hit middle of his desk. I broke whatever was on there. And then we walked out at that point Siab's had a an e seven that was an arranger as I just differed everything to him. I go running out there with my team. He's like, hey, I need to take that corner. You take the specialists in he had a saw. So we went over there and secure that corner the compound, and I'm looking up, and I see all these buildings that over there over us. And I was like man if there's anything up there were dead, and they go chasing the people at the PG, and that was kind of the problem with being account intelligence officer. After the invasion Higgins, sometimes was attached to armed elements. And sometimes he wasn't when he wasn't there always was a looming danger of being out there and small parties. Like the wondering this attack striking that balance though between the big or small group was mission specific sure, but also it was opportunity specific, and when you guessed wrong, you could be caught out all on your own with only interpreter you hoped that you could trust. In addition to coming along on raids and patrols Higgins would go out with the command element when they were visiting local officials, he would cut a deal with whichever commander was going out saying that he would take care of whichever reports needed writing and provided an extra interpreter and exchange for being allowed to tag along the commanders mostly were checking in on government officials to see what 'rational or logistical support the US could provide but Higgins already knew that the officials were way more interested in the support. They could get than any information. They could give the local police chief is going to give you the party line. But it's not him that I really wanna talk to because I don't want the party line. I want the truth. And so while they're in they're talking with the local police, I'll kind of just step out. And I talked to the secretary he's on the here's all conversation. He's the one that knows everything. And that's the person I wanna run when in there and talked to and I kind of said, hey. I'm looking for information on this. And he says I work for you now. And I was like, that's right. His village, by the way, every time we went in there. We knew something bad was going to happen that these guys hate us. And so he's like, hey this house right here. This guy is a bad guy. Next time we came back. We ended up cord on inserting the entire village Higgins, eventually caught a ride with an element that was heading out to the police secretaries home village MS some special forces guys on the way who are on a ten gentle mission. He got the heads up from them that they'd been looking into a house in that neighborhood as well. It wouldn't take him long to confirm everyone suspicions. But by that time, there wouldn't be much could do about it. And it was just my translator. I at this time. So we ended up going talked into this house and the security was right next to this house. So I tell the the soldier there say I'm going in this house if you guys pull out just yell at me, and I'll move with you go in there. And I. Star talking to these guys and they point out the same house. And I'm there for fifteen minutes. I'm like man, this is Ben kind of long time what's was going on. So I look out the window, and there's no security the soldiers gun shit. I'm here by myself with my translator. And my translator is old and fat. I get around the corner and they're God. I can't see any of them. And I'm in this town in this town that would probably rather chew me than talk to me. They were just coming out of the houses and on the sidewalk, and it wasn't one or two. It was thin tire. Village was coming out onto the street. And I'm running down the middle of it. They were closing in around me. And as time progressed they were slowly getting closer and closer to me. And I was like man if they bum rush me, I'm done. There's no way I can stop them all out get one or two of them. But then I'm I'm captured. I I don't know what I do. And I read enough stuff and seen enough. Videos that I knew I didn't wanna be captured. I can't let them get too close. So I'm shoulder my web and waving around making sure these guys get outta my way they keep on getting closer. I see a home v and his probably about two three hundred meters away. And I was like men. All right. Let's do a three round bursts. If I can get their attention as like man, if I do it three round burst. They may think I'm engaging and turn around and unload on me. That's not a good idea. I don't want to be killed by fratricide either. So they pull off and all right. Second plan. I'm going to get up to the main road. I'm going to stop whatever we Hickel. I see. And I'm going to have him drive me to the police station. I'm gonna grab my source and at this point Burnham, it's my life or there's so I and I'd get him and have him take me back to the fob. And then we get up to the main road, and I see the convoy it's all lined up. And so I'm running I'm like just because I see him doesn't mean they're not gonna take off. I'm running to catch up with it. They finally see me. They don't take off. And I step. Into the home V, and they take off that was one of the scariest moments over there. I thought for sure I was going to be that guy burning sources and something Higgins took lightly, especially since it was tantamount to taking out a contract on a person. But sources often were in at least as much for the money for the cost. Oftentimes a lot more. He was perfectly happy to have gotten a GPS reading on the house and Senate up the ladder for future raid consideration, but he was much more. Happy to have been spared. The tough decision of revealing one of his sources sometimes though sources reveal themselves out of greed or stupidity or bit of both. And there's just nothing for it. But to step away and try not to get caught up in the blowback. So there's a lot of different people out there that are trying to find information and run sources and things like this. And this one guy I turned him over to a different agency and the kept on coming back east started going all over the place asking for money. And this is like man, you're gonna get yourself kill. He was seeing some other places just being loud and wants money. I told him not to come see me ever again. It was probably about a oh two weeks later. He ended up calling us and saying, hey, they're here. They're gonna kill us coming protect us. So I go down to the talk. And I was like, hey, can you run a patrol through here, and we didn't have a patrol anywhere in the area from what I heard they ended up throwing grenades through the house and stuff like that. He was injured. You gotta understand. I can't go out by myself. There's no way one humvee is going to be let out of the fab once you start playing multiple fiddles end up making a lot of noise, and sooner or later, you're gonna get caught. And that's what happened to him. You do your best to protect them. But he was his own worst enemy. That's what we don't want in a source. We don't want someone that's loud and invincible and willing to do their own thing. And that's why I kinda cut ties with him over the course of his tours as army counterintelligence Higgins saw. Both the long game and the short game when it came to fighting the insurgency at an operational level. Of course, there's nothing better than killing capturing insurgency, Taliban, or Al Qaeda leaders, but continued harassment was a close second disruption was among the most effective weapons in his arsenal. I've been chasing this guy for probably about six months leaves a bomb maker. I had a source that came out and said, I know where he's at he's at this house. I when talked to the commander, and I said, hey, if we want this guy, we gotta go. Now, we go hauling ass out there. We get to his house, then they stack they go in there and they start clearing the house while they're clear in the house. I'm stepping out in the courtyard, and they've got this big concrete wall around and there's the gate that we went in there. That's open. So while they're cleaning the house that my interpreters with them looking for documents. And and getting people out of the house. There's little kids and female size. Like men we missed him. And then some guys stuck his head through the gate. I was like what the hell. No one's. Going to stick their head through my gate. So I grabbed him and I slammed him up against the wall. And I have him send their and I only know a little bit of Arabic while I'm doing this. Another guy sticks his head through the gate. And by the time, I was done. I had four these people up against the wall and a have all their documents. My interpret comes out we ask a little bit more. It was one of those things do I keep them for just look into the gate or not. So I take pictures of them. I'll go and talk to another source and see what who they are. And things like that. We missed our target. We're like, oh, man. We missed our target. So he ended up going back. I call it my source, and and my se wasn't there and my source met me, and I showed him. Hey, I was like, hey, I just took pictures of these guys looking in the house is like that third guy that's solely on. I was like son of a bitch. I had him in my hands. He's there now. So we raised down there again to get him. And this is we're talking about fifteen minutes from time we left and by the time, we got down there. They're only kid. There we missed in completely. I'll I'll regret that. I'll never forget that guys named owed Suliman, and I chased him the rest of my tour their found out. He was up in Mosul working at the factory up there as a taxi driver. So I passed that information up to the guys up there. I hope the they got the guy sometimes a loss as a loss, but sometimes it can be salvaged. Remember counterintelligence relies as much on the long game. As it does the immediate reaction to fresh Intel more than anything else. It's putting together scraps into a larger picture that allows you to act Higgins said his main concern, always was to do whatever he was able to make US forces a little bit safer, but that also required patients the willingness to cultivate, sources absorb the little defeats and learn from them and then do your best going forward. Even when learning from your mistakes doesn't feel sufficient you take your wins where you can get them that way, you can keep the pressure on my source came out said, hey, I can positively. Identify these these people. So I go and talk to ten Colonel. Like, hey, we've got a plan. We've gotta get out to this village. But if we go rolling out in tanks, we shake the earth. They'll know we're coming, you know, from twenty miles away. We can't do this. I was like we got some eighty second guys here. Less fast rope them in cut off the city. So that we can get in there and get these guys, and they shot my ided down the they didn't wanna do that. So we jumped in tanks and tanks and Bradley's and everything else that rumbles as we go along, and we're driving out there. And I look out there and the burning tires size like son of a bitch. They know we're coming. We get out there. We cord on the the little village, and we move in our targets gone, but we end up they're finding rockets sniper rifles. We find the little yellow in LAN pamphlets. I mean, we didn't catch him. But we took out his entire. Armory? We had minds we had all sorts of different ide- materials from an operational perspective Higgins was on a two part mission. The first was to run sources with name and undermining the insurgency leadership and discovering weapons caches and bomb-making facilities. The other part was trying to reduce the number of insurgents who could infiltrate the nascent Iraqi police force and building police force from the ground up in hostile territory already is a very difficult task logistical issues aside, it was kind of like hiring interpreters at the beginning of the war. Experience told him it was easier to ferret out turncoats afterwards than it was to prevent them from getting in the first place, but the insurgency didn't want to just undermine the rule of law. It wanted to prevent localities from even having police departments which was a problem beyond the counterintelligence scope, we're Intel afar, and we were over at the police station and we're doing our screening. We're there for the week. So we're in our second date or so there's a big gaggle of them out there waiting to come in to be screened, and we don't let them set by our Frank gate. They were out, you know, forty fifty yards from our front gate, and I hear this loud explosion. I automatically knew what had happened. I knew as bomb within seconds Higgins through on his body armor and grabbed up to end fighting interpreters still not dressed headed out to the gate prepared to deal with whatever attack was coming. But when he got there it was way worse than he had worried. Was a two thousand five Iraqi elections looming. It already had been a really violent week in the region. This was the second suicide bombing in as many days and would be the beginning of an escalation of violence in Iraq. That would continue to feature attacks on police police recruits as he made his way out into the courtyard Higgins's primary concern was to make sure the rest of the compounds secure. I'm looking around and there were no guards at the gate. We take fighting position right there and men the gate, and then the medics run out and a couple other people run out there to help with the wounded, quite frankly at that point. I was more concerned about a secondary attack coming through the gate and killing everyone inside we're probably there for a minute two minutes at the most until more people arrived. And then we ran out there is it's weird. What your mind remembers when we were running out there? It's not like in the movies where you'd have people just screaming. And and crying and things like that. That's not how it was. They were moaning you. Just see these little movements of moaning and stuff. It was. It was weird. I remember thinking why am I not getting any traction? Why am I slipped and all over the place? I know I'm in San, but why am I slipping and I looked down and I'm stepping on flesh slip on human body parts as I'm trying to get out to that's one of the one of the things that you just try to forget Higgins kept moving toward the epicenter of the carnage. The chaos continued swirling around him though with evacuations. It was starting to back down a bit. His job wasn't security though, nor was it medical evacuation. His job was to see what he could find out about the explosion and see whether it could be traced back to any of the bombmakers. He was already hunting. So we get out there and the medics have these people on stretchers already taken in as body. Parts or just all over the place. And this one guy starts walking towards me. And all you know, we're amped and everything like that. So I showed her my eighty two and I'm like, I'm yelling at him to stop. Of course, it's an English. So he doesn't understand. So I'm start using my air bacon. I tell him to stop and get down and stuff like that. It was probably, you know, within a second or two that I was going to start unloaded on this guy. And he's he stops. He gets down. And by that time. I my interpreter gets out there. And I start asking was going on. And he tells me that his family was in that group has brothers his father and his uncle's, and he pointed to mall, and they're like, they're all dead. He's like the only reason I am alive is because I was tired and I sat down we ended up finding the face of the guy. That was a suicide bomber it's weird because his head popped off and his job was gone. But his. Face was still there. The top of his skull was all there, and we were able to take pictures of him and send it forward of who. The suicide bomber was the bomb killed thirty applicants and injured. Another forty mostly men just standing in the sun hoping for the opportunity to become cops in an increasingly lawless area. The face gave them something to go on too often in the intelligence game. It can be a futile chase. When a big part of your job is trying to prevent these things from happening to try and follow. These threads of information to a place that keeps suicide vests off the backs of people learning to use them. It can be especially frustrating Higgins, seriously had considered making the army as career he loved doing counter intelligence, but the grave scandal broke about halfway through his first deployment. And that kind of changed things. One of the toughest parts of it for him. Right. From the beginning was knowing that people he sent there because he suspected they had vital information. Never really got a good chance to give up the Intel. What can you do? I'm name quite sure how to describe this. You work so hard to get the Intel and because you wanna give the lion Eunice the best intelligence possible. But they they work against you almost it wasn't like the army was working for the army if they weren't there. Helping me out they were just hindering us grave was a horrible thing. I will never say that grave was great. It didn't enhance anything for us. It hindered us it made people hate us even more if they would have done it correctly. They'd be looking for intelligence and not being seduced bastards. After a while. They came down on interogations quite hard hit everyone of us that did any kind of tactical questions or interogations were like, well, what can we do? Do now for us to do a proper interrogation sometimes that takes time. But we don't have that time we have fourteen days with them or sometimes even less, but it may take fourteen days to actually build a report with a guy. And then you just have so many of them if you use fourteen days on one that means you're not talk into fifty others. So when we sent it to the next level, that's where they have more time and then grave if someone goes Daba grave, and they're doing this and not actually looking for intelligence almost throw your hands up in the air and say, what can you do the response from inside the army was ham handed and missed the point they were looking at their house in order shore. But just as with the plan to invade but not secure translators in advance the way they approached it was scattershot and with predictable results after Abu Ghraib. Basically what happened is that anyone that had any kind of connections with Intel? Negations or detention operations, see ID came and talk to you. They treated you like a common criminal. And that was another thing that just kinda spurred me to get out of the military. Is you want me to do a job? But then you treat me like a common criminal for doing. You asked me to do job. You set my parameters I follow guidelines. I do you ask of me. And then you treat me like this. I love my country. I still wanted serve my country. And so I ended up going down to four watch hookah. I was an instructor down there at the school house, hopefully trying to give the next generation of C. I and humid collectors enough information that they can come out and be successful in the filled. I ended up getting a job in law enforcement. And so I I'm serving my country in a. Different capacity, dealing with sources turncoats and crooked. Politicians can take a real bite out of your humanity. Not just your ability to trust. But your ability to believe that there's even such a thing as altruism that nobody does anything unless there's a reward or a punishment attached. But Higgins carries with him. One of the great kindnesses soldier can receive a reminder that for the people at home. What he does really mean something we walked off the plane, and they just had a line of people share us on end tell you Steffan into Stephan on US soil is the best feeling in the world. That was back when cell phones weren't as prevalent, and when you did get a cell phone you paid by the minute. This one guy picked me out of everyone said, hey, here's my cell phone. Call her family. And I'm like, I sure I mean, I don't wanna use up your minutes or anything like Kali family. Able comma wife tell him. And here nervous peon, Mike country. It was it was quite special. And then I found it was like, here's here's your MAC. I didn't wanna use your minutes is like take all the time. You want? So it caused by. Told her safe. It's home. And. That guy. I don't know his name. I can pick him out of him from Adam. But he's my hero everyone joins and serves for their own reasons. But what they have in common is the knowledge that there are those of us who respect the ideal the sacrifice that begins with putting up your hand and swearing to protect your country because we all know how many different endings that beginning can have. And we know that they know and that they do it. Anyway. Next time on this is war running out there we fill the machine gun around skipping through like the side of our legs. Like over our heads. Like, it's nuts. Are you a combat veteran or do, you know one with a story to tell reach out to us at stories at this is war dot com with your dates and branch of service, and a brief description of the experience that you'd like to share. This is war was written by me, Anthony Russo and produced by incongruity media, if you like to show you can help support us by visiting our sponsors or by leaving a five star review wherever you're listening right now, you can also follow us on social media at this is war. You also can find show notes photos and more background on each episode at this is war dot com.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)190626

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)190626

"Paul request Wednesday Travis it is an all request Wednesday. This one comes on the sprint people's hotline in Gardena Wellman. Well, good morning. Good morning fellas. Hey, the best show in the world. Key? Oh, boil the and our dude. Chris in Raj who need their own show. Man at some point, I don't know if they gotta pay over refer Sodano and company wherever they gotta think his goal. They need their own show that is my request as well as what I tweeted love the show boys, keep up the good work Rackham. So you wanna smack the he was. So we wanted to hear who's loving you Jackson Five along with the classics black. Sometimes he's daddy black, and then something about Raj with the Cougars in which Roz you that long. No sometime. I let the cougar then. Hey, we got hor, he doesn't get his own show. Now part of ours. He can do. He can torment you guys the way that you do it us, seems fair. Oh, by the way Travis asked you last week who wanted to smack off? Who did we get an answer? Matt Brad in corona. Oh, yeah. Good for a lifetime champ, apparently, it's not on here. So I couldn't hear it. No. Come on. You know what is here? Seven fifty nine. These Doppler, sixty four degrees downtown cloudy, high of seventy four today. National chocolate pudding day. He's been presented by sprint. I'm not a big pudding guy. I've never got that was some of the worst desert. My mother would try to little cups rose. You know, if you get that out our kitchen bomb serious, jello, all I cannot stand that now those nasty, but real pudding, that's made real the banana. That's a different deal, but that RIA pudding out of a box. Well, you the instant pudding, they mix and they kind of do that, but hook it up. Why? Because bill. I mean I don't any pudding. Pudding, but that look back at it and that smile. And that whole deal. Putin. No, no. This is just think about like a you look at him in a commercials, and everything. And he's did and go. That's like our context matters. You know, when you do the rewind with him Kevin Spacey that whole crowd you'd like, oh, there's an episode of never mind. You're interested. Interesting barbecue sauce, episode good to your cockatiel do kakaako noodle new. So this is this is this is right up. You guys alley the four of you in here, obviously and l z from a political science. Well, I don't think we're hey, does with you guys do in terms of what I'm getting ready to talk about? Oh, you download. Trust me. All right. He's a. So carbon diarrhea for you that I don't know if you know what that's at. But it's just north of Camarillo, south Santa Barbara. Okay. And Santa Barbara county is known as wine country on the central coast. A lot of the Penoles things that initial even to heal plus Rebozo. I don't want to get into that part of the marijuana business is booming in in the Santa Barbara county area in particular, in Carpentaria because of the grow factories, but from a political Cy it is hurting the schools because of the smell of the skunks mail within the marijuana in the plants in the factory in all of the things that they do. It's all around the baseball field. It's in the air in the carpenter air. It's state of California legislation is Santa Barbara is eighteen percent of the marijuana industry. In terms of the growth, the food, Martin must be doing well walks everybody got the munchies. But go ahead. They don't have Zony laws, it, it's in the heels man. It doesn't matter. It's. Pa-. Maybe it's that. It's true. Because to your point, you can't put a dispensary next to of that. But it's not the dispensary gross growing because of the forms. And I was going to ask you from a political standpoint should. They have some sort of zoning where it's gotta be so far away from that. It doesn't affect kids when they're playing baseball there out in the fields, the teachers the classrooms, it's the skunk smell of it. So not only are the kids, get nauseous, and high is just a mess her home. I will say if you look at what was going on in the Carolinas with the pig industry, and how the, the smell from the pigs in the manure will penetrate, the neighborhoods, the neighbors of all complained they've gone over and over again. And what happens is that the lobbyists overrun them because they make sure that the politicians doesn't vote any laws so. If it's similar to marijuana situation, as long as the marijuana, lobbyists, or whomever, putting money in the pockets of politicians are greeting those, those hands, they're not going to do anything that's going to negatively impact the marijuana industry, just like with the farming said about the cinnabar, the Santa Barbara school district is faced with suspending kids. This. The Santa Barbara school board have the unfortunate job of voting to expel a handful of students from schools primarily because of the marijuana nearly every day student as young as seven graders or walking high and I don't know if they get direct contact or purchasing a what it is that you could get this is. Purpose. And I didn't think that was my understanding. I, I don't know. I don't know walk by, like a rose Bush and get a I thought you actually had to actually process it in order to release the THC, dude. I've, I don't know. I don't dabble a Dibnah. Whatever your high of you. I don't. That's. That's the message. That's the language y'all us, you know, y'all copying some of that stuff. Just telling you, you don't just you walk into a store and buy it. Now. It's like going to the grocery store. They have it all laid out. And I like that. In the funny thing is he all talk into me like me to experience. It's not going to happen. That was keys headline in the morning. He you're listening to k p Los Angeles. Checking advantage g so they're pretending they're high because of the get out of jail free card. You got to watch kids man this morning. You think seven? Baby's already know how to manipulate parents. They know if they cry here this one was gonna come for this have to do that. This was gonna come for that. So by seventh grade. Oh, yeah. They got down to a science free agency coming up this weekend. And Jimmy Butler is near the top of the list. Jimmy Butler is a guy that a lot of teams are going to want to get in on obviously. Philadelphia would love to keep him. But according to wo- JR. He says that the rockets are trying to get a sign and trade deal done, which immi bowler, this is classic Daryl Morey. Right. They have no salary cap space, but he's out chasing max free agent, what he will try to recruit, Jimmy Butler to do is tell Philadelphia do a signing trade with the rockets or I'm going to leave into a team that has salary cap space somewhere else in the league and you'll lose me for nothing. Now they might need another team, you know, to take on some contracts, Philly men, I wanna take all that money back, but they're all more is nothing if he's not going to be creative aggressive. He wants. Third star in Houston, creative and aggressive. I think are the two most important words right there. And that is the Darrell Maury has looked at the rockets, the last couple of seasons in realized that it's not enough and looked around the rest of the Western Conference. Obviously, the warriors are going to be a little bit different for two reasons injuries. But I like that he's willing to look at what he has and say, you know what I can't roll it again. This is what the clippers did for years and years with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and the Andre Jordan. They just kept running it back. And it never really improve. They kept getting the same result over and over again. I'm not saying that adding Jimmy Butler, all of a sudden makes them the best team in the west. But I do like that. He's willing to shuffle the deck a little bit, and try something different. Can I be real with you for a second be one hundred percent baller? James harden. Needs to be better. That's the difference. He needs to do Yonathan Cuco dead with Jordan has done with Kobe has done LeBron has done, which is when you need it be able to bring it on both sides of the ball. I swear to you, and I'm not doing this because I hate James harden. I really like James harden, but I can't think of single monumental defensive play that he's made not once not once. Top three of offensive and defensive efficiency this year. That's why he's MVP coli Katie, why all all these days defense, so much better? Yes. Golden State his game is a little bit. His game is a little bit different in terms of what you get from him. Which is often he's not a defensive player. He wasn't going to ever be a difference, a player because his mentality is score in. That's who he is in, if you could if you could swallow that as a general manager in, in, then you're okay. What having him and paying him that type of money, but you have to put people around him to balance that, that now having a guy like Jimmy Butler, who does pretty much the same thing in terms of ball handling of scoring although he plays defense. You steal on the office of an if he doesn't get his touches in shares of the offense aside. Now, you creating something that you don't want to do in terms of bringing that in a locker room when you already potential. We have issues with the third guy who makes about forty five million dollars a year. So Kate, you know you've got to slow down with it. We the next team stuff. Well, it's interesting because. Chris James harden, LCD your point is never gonna throw that defensive switch he it's not gonna happen if, if it was going to happen. I think we would've seen some at least indicators that he's willing to engage defensively. He's not. So I think if you keep asking him for that you're going to continue to be disappointed. Jimmy Butler does bring that defense. And maybe I'm thinking, like I know I can ask James for it, but Kevin McHale on TV because he asked him for it. Okay. Mic shown is not gonna ask him for the more he's not gonna ask them for it. They're going to get their thirty five and night from him. And that's going to have to be what it is. If I can get defense from somebody else, namely, Jimmy Butler. Why not try it now key brings up a good point that maybe course a mix of that, that Jimmy Butler is not going to watch James harden, score thirty five and give up thirty three and be okay with that. He's going to say something, maybe it's a combustible mix. But if I gotta go find defense somewhere because I know I'm not going to get it from him. Why not Jimmy Boe because you know why? Because in order to get Jimmy, but you gotta do what you, did you got to give. You're going to be given up defense. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. So you just spinning your wheels James has to decide that dude is not getting this bucket tonight. When he starts making those decisions then you will see their their fortunes change. It's a little too late to ask him to, to play defense in his career really is. Because everybody wants to be with the cool kids, we let Travis join in for a few minutes next on the morning show. On this date in nineteen sixty three Universal Pictures unveiled in color. King Kong vs Godzilla shouts out to Tommy. It's legit. That's a drop from the movie. You like monster movies. I do you say nineteen sixty three. Remember? I don't know if I remember King Kong vs Godzilla, I just remember got Zillah. Do you remember king concourses got, then I remember all of them. I remember on. There was no remember, king wound. They remember. Oh, the PLA the blob was the bowling alley. Right. I didn't want to go to bowling alleys as a kid because of that who won King Kong. God Zillah, Raj wanna say villas and feed, it, yeah, those the kind of remember it now that we're talking about it. The, the blob. Bob was I didn't want to go bowling alleys, the blog. See the blog, I did not want to go, very vividly. What I thought it was the scariest scene in which guy was given a change TV channel any out. No. It wasn't a chair. Oh cherry. And he kept going back and forth, trying to fix the, the right channel. And I was like those. The blog was slow moving, but it was going to get you remember when it came underneath the door see the need to do it. Yeah. I think that's one of the reasons I don't like flying. Remake the blob. Give gave a personality and stuff. Oh, talk to far in tentacles pretty good remembered as a key. Yes. I do. I do. Why did he burn them up the special effects in Godzilla vs? King Kong, not grace, nineteen sixty three drivers give him a break. I'll look congress got killed clapping. Poor kong. He's dead. He's speaking buried him under the rocks. Zillah. He's, he's crafty for why did he just burn? They need to remake covered in hair. Right. I'm gonna let that go jumped in my gear and move on. Go ahead. All right. So the rockets are in on Jimmy Butler with a sign and trade, the Lakers, maybe in on one of their old guys that Kyrie Irving if he goes to Brooklyn. And that's the one piece in free agency that it feels like everybody's already kind of said, okay. That's going to happen because of the change in his representation, because of the people inside of Brooklyn and reportedly Kyrie's already been waiting. He's not dead. He's alive. Studio. Oh he's mad cow. Now, you just kicked him down the side of a mountain now he's those aches dot multiply. And then he more rock zonal suppose cow. Check out right now. Now he's did know he's back up again. That's it. He's buried them under the rug since it delivers is king gong play by play is brought to you by Caspian. Los Angeles back to understand why he's not firing the fire and just burning them up. He's covered in hair because they got five more minutes, a movie to get too. That's why we kicked him with the tail King Kong can take a beating. Hidden behavioral who? No. No, that's it. He's got to check out right? Did they think they're using Legos to make King Kong hair than liquid face are weird because? There's going to be a five there's going to be a storm the. Look missed him though. Who wrote this man Bryce, but actually messed them with the flame. We're actually looking at. From nine hundred sixty. Di multiply. On God, God Zillah by the tail, and he's like cuteness something swinging around like a hammer throw. This isn't fantastic. Why isn't isn't feeders? How that's a Hammerfest right there. That's. Move move, and that is just going burn down the forest. All right. Move along. Why does started raining out of the blue? Well, it was already a thunderstorm coming, but they didn't have the weatherman do the weather there. Johnston's. Right. I res going to Brooklyn, which means the Angela Russell may be available to leave, which means he may be coming back to LA. Here's watch the Lakers. Now at this point are rooting for Kyrie Irving to go to Brooklyn Brooklyn renounces the Angela Russell who a restricted free agent he becomes unrestricted. And in the Lakers could sign Russell as their third star in LA. And they get back a much more mature, polished player who's been in all star who's put a team into the postseason like parents who sent their into boarding school. Yeah. Finishing school at Kenny Atkinson, and Sean marks. You run back the Angelo, again you bring it back. Is it a good fit because Dangelo obviously has become a better player. It seems that he's mature just by the way. Why wouldn't he? I mean he got older. He got more experience. I dare you to come into a league as a nineteen year old guy, and be the same guys at twenty three twenty four twenty five year old guy. You're going to be a different person. Does it feel like this just staying for him in LA, because high left, that is that why you question whether or not you bring him back because he was traded in when he goes trade at the Lakers were bad and new coach imagine like many pillow talk, and he told in it is that why I think that's the biggest question about specifically cares. Nobody's on a team. Very fewer in the organization. He's a different individual. He's not a nineteen twenty or kid fans or the same. Yeah, but if he's balling. And he's giving you seventeen and he's giving you seven and he's giving you five in three what do you care? Well, because the expectations we talk about it all the time, the ex. Speculations that would be on him coming back because the expectations the first time we're real but he was the second pick in the draft. And it was all, and he seemed to struggle a little bit under the weight of those expectations. I think there are explanations why because of the youth and all those things. But you come back in, and all of the things that weren't working before, if they start to bubble up again, they're gonna come back that much faster here than they would anywhere else. That is true. But I would bet that it doesn't bubble up. I would bet that he knows what he's getting into because he's already been here and he's dealt with it, and they know what they're doing. He he understands it. Not only is he coming back to LA. There's not much difference in New York, having play their live. They're played in L A live here. There's not much difference in the way you are treated. I would argue in fact, you can be treated worse in New York. Even if you're a member of the team, the even if even if you member to be team because team still has fans is not it's not like being at the clippers as a team in LA the that the, the net still have fans. People still is still a New York, New York, people are just New Yorkers. They just passionate about their sports, even though they don't win anything. It's it's one of those deals. So I would say that, that will help him in allow him to understand coming back to LA. Is is going to be pretty much the same type of deal. Good fit. I mean just from a basketball, we can handle this like logically. That's the whole question. But you're playing off the ball for the most part because LeBron's going to we can talk about a million while the Bronco. No. He's not LeBron LeBron's going into his seventeen season in the league, he's played the I sixteen one ways not going do a different in your seventeen on paper. He'll say but we know how lebrons gonna play. We know what it's gonna look like DeAngelis off the ball, his skill set with what the Lakers are going to have with LeBron. Anthony Davison cow, Kouzmin just never mind. The the back story just basketball's a good fit. Well, he averages about six three point attempts to game shooting over thirty five percent from the field. So I would say, yes, from a bathroom perspective, it can work, but I don't want the ngelo Russell or kyri for that matter if it's going to eat up too much cap, Narinder, stand Dangelo may be able to come to us cheaper. But how much cheaper because in order to win a championship, you're gonna need solid role players built around that tandem? And while DeAngelis Russell would be a nice piece to add if he's going to prevent out some being able to gobble up maybe one or two more three and diguise, our much rather have three or four three D guys who are sea-level players, then he'd be leveled the Dangelo Russell, and then only one other guy. So it's the money thing, here's, here's the other point to that for Brooklyn, which guy would you rather? Have I know that Kyrie's a bigger Q fach a bigger store, but durability youth money? I don't know if there's not a decision for Brooklyn to make him I rather have the ngelo Russell to begin with rather role with the guy that got us to the play offs. Don't give us that look Travis. That I will look to how I wanna look at you. Happy birthday. Michael vick. Turns thirty nine years old to them. Leave Vicki Loman. Birthday what's on? Would you play for him? No time should we play Tomek dog. Everybody I get it. But, you know, with this is this is I don't know. It's a different deal for me. I get it. I have dogs. I understand people love animals and all this people's upset by that. You was down there in Atlanta at the time that this all that's why I'm like a couple seriously. The last time I saw Vic before that the announcement already made and we were at an s I think it was SP party ESPN magazine party. And I walked up to Vic covering him. And he and he was like I was I was Vic. And you say it was, and I said to him, and I was like, man. Worry about it dog you good. He's like he was like, yeah, man. I worried about it before, like the chargers really came ready lecture crew. I didn't know the real. I didn't know the details. Worry about a dog. He was there. He was like, man, when they think about it, the, the act was vicious, obviously, that was it was in cruel cruel all wrong. On taxes. They probably got him on everything out him most stuff after he got him on some stuff. They got him some more stuff. But at the end of the day, from a from a down south in that particular area that the culture of fighting dogs was like, okay, but then all the other stuff came. It was I come a Vic man your quarterback court up your human being. No, I'm from an NFL. I'm talking about from an NFL standpoint just from thinking like football player when he was playing with us. You just like you supposed to you're supposed to be way smarter than that. Because that's the way they hold you to higher standard plan that position. I mean I get that. Yeah. That's the only thing I'm like your human being care. Yeah. You do that. No, not at all. No, there's no way there should be something in your soul says Hank doing that. No. He's. Damn song. I'm not. I mean don't love. Won't give me start it. He's ever to play that position. What the best athlete ever to play that, Sean? It depends seventy yards fastest guy on the field, but that do down Carolina do down Carolina's a monster to can't as fast as Vic as big as powerful as him. So, you know, it's, it's, it's Steve Young was ridiculous to a lot of people don't give Steve credit. Because when you think a skill set, you think typically that type of quarterback, you think of a black dude, you don't really think a Mormon quarterback from BYU young ridiculous on the air as well as on the ground. But at the end of the day, he Michael Vick probably was one of the guys that I would say who has cousin replied for he's a QB Mark mates does his brother. No, no. His cO each brand Brooks Brooks. He wasn't. He was. Not he's not in nowhere near athletically as three people, I just mentioned killed news. On the heels he had like Mike. Ditka coaches. He has little something didn't work out. Great. You saw some this morning, the paper talking about athletes in college and getting paid. And this is a topic that pops up every once in a while about getting guys paid, but hailing dollar -fornia. We might have a little bit of a different situation where they may pass a law, which would prevent the NC, double A from Brit. Swing in their hammer actually it's interesting because my longtime attorney agent Jerome was talking to me about this yesterday, and it happened to be in the paper today, in at the end of the day, the NC, two A that's not this isn't what they want. The state of California is doing the right thing. Let's say you're not getting ready to tell these universities in these student athletes, not to accept money when you when you sit up selling jerseys in making money and putting face their faces in uniforms at the jersey numbers of names on the back of mug selling them for six or seven dollars in the student stores but you don't wanna share any other f- site. So tell you what we getting ready to do it our way in now. NC two A saying to the universities if you if the if the law passes, then we're going to remove you from postseason competition. Okay. Well, try to remove Stanford in USC from postseason competition, and find out what happens go right? I dare you to eight UCLA and in God dare you to try it. There's a couple of things going on here. Number one, there needs to be something like this, that's going to code, you know what I mean? Because the NC double A is not going to get there on their own. They're the instability has made these teeny tiny incremental steps as far as increasing stipends and allowing some guys to do Seinfeld him some some small things that they didn't do before I would not I wouldn't have done that one. But the idea the idea that they're just going to all of a sudden say, you know what we're selling key to your point where selling a jersey in the bookstore with Sam darnold number on it. For one hundred dollars, Sam darnold doesn't get a nickel of that is stupid. They're not going to get there. On their own. But if there's a law that kinda cracks this open and says, you can't ban us from postseason play. That's how these things are going to start to move this law is going to change everything overnight. But at least moves the ball further down the field to where it's not just a we won't do it. It's gotta fight you legally. And if Stanford and see wanna come in heavy with lawyers, they can fight the NC, double A. Yeah. But they will fight the NCWA. Unlike SE tried it, obviously, the Reggie Bush stuff or whatever the case is in the this is a different type of deal. They lose that this is different. This is where major law firms in backings from Stanford law and USC law. They're, they're waiting. They're sitting down in century city in their talking a little buddies Frank and Tony Tommy. And all you guys sitting there in their getting together with the other law firm down in Orange County, and DC and New York City, and Chicago innocent. Let the let the NC two A scrutiny. I'm ready. They're ready to do it. Any NC two A should be willing in want to. This has been going on to like you need to chop it up with everybody stop playing games in give these kids and opportunity to earn some money while they're still collegiate athletes in all request. Once they continues g get right on Instagram, one of the air song. We can't play. I don't think you could play that. I heard it Cameron can't play that anyway. But he didn't wanna hear these greats new drops. So here we go. The first one it's being dubbed as the l z Lee, call the gargling sound. Karen. So there you go. That's how you do it on an all request Wednesday Travis. There you go. I don't like that one. A lot of requests for that. That wasn't what I said. I didn't say that there weren't a lot of requests for it, right? That's and I don't like it either. Thank you. None of fell to kind of finish the thought, we're about the, the law that may or may not get passed in California talking about NCAA paying guys. Here's the part of never understood that how the NC double A has the authority on some of the schools. I get how the NCAA has thority on Cal State Fullerton or San Jose State or, or Tolson football. Okay, fine. I get it. Did you need them to administer you need them to do these things? But if Texas and USC Notre Dame and Ohio State and Oklahoma in we, we all know, the is thirty thirty five forty teams we're talking about if they all just said together, you know what go fan you go. Where you guys can do we're gonna pay our guys we're going to allow them to make money on their likeness. We're going to do it ESPN's not going to not show the Notre Dame USC game just because the NC two is having a win Alabama and LSU play football Saturday shoe at the money, still gonna fluent. I don't understand why everybody agrees to play under a set of rules that I don't need you to administer my sport. I've no idea why they're governing with the NC two. I don't know. I mean that's been around and see to been around and they've been in business together for a long time. So I really don't know. But you're absolutely right. At the end of the day, they should be able to just tell them to go pound sand it. That's we're gonna we're gonna make several billion dollars regardless whether or not the NC, two A is involved or not in a specially when it comes to bowl games, and the college football championship the NC double A does not administer that stuff. The NCW does administer the NCAA tournament. They do administer the college World Series in the golf championship and the tennis in water. Hello and get it. You need some governing body for those things that aren't entities in and of themselves. But college football is a multibillion dollar business. I don't need some guys in Kansas City, calling the shots and making the rules when I don't need them at all. They don't they don't bring anything to the, the problem. I see from the just I'm we're going to take ball, and go home route the to say that there's a brotherhood of sisterhood of return to your sorority of all these college administrators, and just because Stanford in SE and whomever or in a financial position to right away. Just are paying players doesn't mean those lower rank schools, that sometimes we still play, like a western Michigan university, for instance is in the same position. And so you need to be mindful of the financial differences between the top tier school Lawrence here school. And when you have these conversations you need to incorporate that I'm not saying that western can't play. Right. But they're not a position to just are paying next season. They, they need a little bit more of. Runway western Michigan wouldn't be in this quote unquote new league. Now they can play a c. I will give him money. Like we did last time we played them so scrap money. We, we two million dollars. Ask it wasn't a scrap win. Western comes way, it was hot when western comes out to play SE cuts, check here, here's your is your seventy thousand go home. Run your program for the year on that we just pay you and Mr. gore, go back home. See that's here you go. Cut to the white. But here's but, but Travis though, what does western do that two million dollars, right? They put it in a program to coaches pay the players. Yes. Now you're saying, oh, now, western gets to pay their players. But now central Michigan camp. Okay. Schedule. Because they give heyday got the right to anyway. All I'm saying is, is that as we're having this debate the idea that we're just going to do this with no respect to the process for tier schools? We have to have that sort of respect because where they are financially just totally different than the other school that basically what you're doing is you're creating tears your creating tier where there's Chapman in playing one school. And then UCLA is playing the other divisions, get smaller the top instead of having how many division one football scores. I think there's, like one hundred twenty you'd have thirty maybe thirty five or forty you wouldn't have a bunch, but those thirty five or forty are running their own thing. The rest of these guys can still operate under the NC double A and use the money from those top thirty to fund their program. We're talking about money. Breaking news. Kevin Durant has declined his thirty one million dollar option according to ESPN wold Rosh. Yeah. Apparently the nets are ready and willing to offer him the four year max right away. Even with the injury. They're ready to jumping in breaking news on ESPN LA, seven ten powered by valvoline instant oil, change home of the fifteen minute drive through change, visits, socaloilchange dot com to find him. Okay. She near you and download up to fifteen bucks coupons. Now, you could obviously still re-sign with the warriors, that's still an option. But it feels a lot less likely. Now, doesn't it? I thought he had up to sign right? Or can use it. In the free agent at the end of next year. No, no. I'm saying he he opted out. Yes now and they could give him a five-year extension opposed to the four, correct. So the five I mean they still in play. I think I think they're in play makes it sound like they're down the road. The I think he's gone because think about he's not playing. So why bother decline in the option? Now when you can actually the reason. Well, the reason is so you can. Guaranteed chance. But you anything can happen nothing's going to happen because he's not playing for the I'm saying if he sticks around just for the thirty one and get to twenty twenty at the end of twenty twenty between now and the into twenty twenty. He slip and fall tears. Other king vowed to gosh, me who vicious, I gave them the Kelly's you gave them a headache. Him out. Because buzz won't matter if he's got. We'll to the are on the rest of the Durant's care. Bit. But he could anything could happen is what I'm saying. So he's probably, I mean, he's obviously did the right thing because he knows that the money is there. Somebody already told him, we got you don't trip Knicks. We'll do it. Post dated nets. We'll do it. I look, I would argue that just about every team in the league if he would consider them would do it. I don't think the Kevin Durant injury. Like we talked about the other day. I think there's probably a quick meeting. Hey guys, we're still good on K D. Right. And everything. Yeah. We're good. Okay. Cool. Let's go. I don't think it really. Good. Okay. D-. Why are you not? Why are you not good on clay? The warriors. I know I'm saying the warriors they act in that way we Klay but not we Katie here because I'm trying to put myself in the warriors head right now because Katie is a unicorn, Katie is if you have Katie on your team, your Klay Thompson is a hall of Famer Klay Thompson is a multiple time champion. He's all NBA player, but he's not a unicorn, maybe that's what they're telling themselves. Man, I'd rather. I'd take my chances with do they gave me thirty and thirty one minutes with, with a ACL did not take, it would do that Aquiles fell apart in history shows that that's not a good injury to come back on, especially when you when you gotta shoot the ball. You gotta elevate. And you do all sorts of things I'll take my chance with ACL before I will do Keith fast forward to Sunday. Let's assume that everybody signed Sunday, it's going to trickle out a little bit. But Kevin Durant is a what warrior. I think he's going east to is either going to be the Knicks the nets and I'm leaning towards the Knicks. I'm I'm leaning more towards him and Kyrie be knickerbockers than anything in. I would think that LeBron James Hardie told him. No food, no damn kyri minstrel. Okay. Yes. And here's the what, what are we talked about with Kevin Durant last several months that he's a little sensitive that he doesn't like the criticism. They joined the wires, right? If Kyrie go somewhere, I he does not want to be the second guy wherever he goes, he's gotta go first, because the ideal now look at it again he just went with Irene. He's going to try to avoid that if that's right. Travis. Show.

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How To Get Free Press Like Richard Branson...with Cameron Herold

Self Made Man

36:39 min | 1 year ago

How To Get Free Press Like Richard Branson...with Cameron Herold

"Welcome back to the Mike. Dillard podcast where we help entrepreneurs like you get the knowledge and skills that you need to bring your dreams to life while gang today, we're gonna talk about one of the most underrated marketing strategies in the world with one of my favorite friends and mentors. Mr Cameron Herold now I'm gonna jump out on a limb here. And guess that like me, you are probably a big fan of Mr Richard Branson. And one of the reasons that I love Richard so much is that he's an incredibly shy introvert, who has mastered. The art of getting billions of dollars in advertising for his ventures for free is driven a tank through the streets of New York to get attention for the launch of virgin cola. He's hired a blimp that said British Airways can't get it up when they were having construction problems repel down the sides of the palms casino in a tux, any crossed the English channel in a floating car. Why did he do all these things to get free attention and free press for his businesses? So if you're willing to use a little. Bit of creativity. And if you know how to strategically work with the media, you could find yourself getting the kind of free press and traffic, that would normally cost tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars will today Kamara's gonna give you the blueprint that you need to start getting free traffic using PR right now today. Now there's a massive side benefit to using the strategy as well. Once you get a story featured in these major publications you can use them to acquire that allusive and coveted verification badge on all of the major social media platforms. This is definitely an episode that you're going to want to take some notes on so be prepared to do that. Cameron does not leave anything out and before we dive in I wanted to give you guys a free resource that I am often asked about that is, who does my tech who sets up my shopping cart, who does my funnels who, does my split testing, and all of that fun stuff. So I just wanted to give you guys that resource for free in order to say thank you for listening. And thank you. For your support for the past seven or eight years. I've used a company called vision tech team dot com. They've done all my tech. They've set up all of my membership sites and everything in between. And they know every internet marketing software platform out there that exist backwards and forwards. So if you need help with your tack, and if you need to hire tech team that knows marketing most importantly than the guys that vision, TEK team dot com. Are the best out there in the world? This is not a sponsor plug of any kind, they're not compensating me in any way for this. This is just me hooking. You guys up with one of the most valuable resources. I have once again say thank you for listening. So with that being said, please help me welcome Mr Cameron Herold Cameron Herold. Welcome back to the podcast. Man. I've been looking forward to this, this interview for weeks. Now, welcome him. I thanks for having me. Yeah. Absolutely. So you've been a huge contributor to the podcast here in the past to the training platform with the amazing classes that you, you produced with us, which have just been awesome. And I wanted to have you back on the show because you've got a book that you just released a couple of months ago, about a topic that I've found fascinating for years that I still really don't understand, and that is how to get free PR and to do it, correctly and strategically. So, so I'm really excited to talk about the subject because I think the, the benefits versus the risks are very Ason metric, if you do it correctly, meaning it could put your business on the map, and change your life, or you could end up spending the ton of money on this and get results whatsoever. So I'm glad you're here to be your guide. Thank you know. And you actually touched on something that it's interesting. And not many people actually pick up on that. And that's the strategic use of getting publicity as well on a lot of people just kind of go after at they don't really think about how can tie into either building their own personal brand building their business or building certain. Aspects of their business. Yeah. Give us the give us the fifty thousand foot view from from the beginning one. How did you get involved in this topic enough to want to write a book about it? And what have you learned jer? So I got exposed to granting pre-publicity publicity when I was quite young by my father, and both my grandfathers owned companies, and they were all three of them were very adapted leveraging the media, and I kinda remember my dad coming home one day, and he was in the newspaper yet again, for something that he'd done golf club. He'd raise money for charity. The Gulf, and I'm like how come you're always in the paper like, how do they know you, and we didn't grow up in a big city, we grew up in a city of hundred thousand people. And he said, I just phone them like, what do you mean? Like, they, you know, there's a picture of you, you know, raising money for charity. And there's this little article about you in charity, a what do you mean? You phone phone the newspaper, and I told them that there was a story and they came out in the covered me, and that's stuck with me now I was about thirteen years old at stuck with me for number of years. And then I was around twenty one and I was running my own house painting business. I twelve employees we're painting houses, and I thought you know. I'd be really cool if I could get the newspaper to write about the fact that I was painting houses collect probably gets more chrome it. And so I found the newspaper and I said, you know, I think I have a good story for you in the writer said, what is it is it will it was really hard to find a job this summer. So I started to start my own business. Maybe we could read a story about, you know, university kids or college can starting their own company and taking their future into their own. And the writer said that it'd be great, how would it come up in southeastern and I got off the phone, and I of went while that was easy and that really was the start of it. And then it was, you know, dozens of articles over a few years later without company and then years later again with an auto body chain. And then with a brand that I'm sure everyone listening heard of, like human is the chief operating officer of a company called one eight hundred got junk, we had fourteen employees. When I joined we landed five thousand two hundred stories but our company and secures, including being on Oprah in pretty much every major newspaper magazine could think of. The printing, and that was literally using the same methodology. So I started understand how to defy that it worked, and it worked for number different businesses than it was always that same way of district phone calling. So here's the biggest lesson that I've learned when it comes to this. I, I hired a PR agency three or four years ago. I don't remember exactly what it was going to be around. I think I think just kind of my personal story to do some personal branding, and I ended up spending twenty something thousand dollars with this company, and they ended up writing like two or three page personal story, or bio which I could have done myself in a few hours for free. And then it never went anywhere. Because like this is ridiculous. What am I paying you guys for right now? You got on the phone with me recorded what I told you, you put it into the document for twenty grand. Yeah. And now I've got to pay you more money than submit it out. And there's also now an entire ecosystem of internet entrepreneurs in, in kind of this entrepreneur space who will you can pay three four five thousand dollars to get featured in on Forbes or entrepreneurs Zine or success or whatever, like they're, they're contributing to Iago head, contributing writers yet, those are those are the contributing writers for what is unfortunately, become ambassador, is medium of online journalism, like, yes. Yes. And so what I hear you saying. And this is what I want you to dive into more here in a second. And what I've learned is that the media and writers journalists are starving for interesting content stories to tell and you don't have to pay for that they would be Arild to hear from you and to be able to put together something fascinating and interesting for their audiences for free. They're not going to charge for it. And that to me is the. Biggest lightbulb moment that people need to get is that you're the one with all the power. They're the ones waiting to hear from you. It's just a matter of learning how to approach them how to give them something that's a win win for you. And for them, yet, you're actually really crushing this, this topic. So here's cures you get it. So here's the key, every single journalists woke up this morning and thought to themselves what the heck am I gonna write about today? No, every podcast or thought about whom I gonna cover every blogger thought about who should I write about every magazine newspaper journalists on what story can I write today and that the Cup of the new story constantly of the multiple stories a day, some of the multiple stories a week, even the TV and radio same thing, right? They're all looking for content. The big thing to remember is that every media outlet only makes money in one specific way. And that's by selling advertising. They don't make money off their circulation podcasters. Don't make money by selling their. Podcast. TV journalists don't make money by selling your TV news story, right? Everyone makes money off the advertising and the only way they get out of your ties. Ing is down a whole bunch of people devouring or content, which means they're content needs to be really good. So that's clue number one. They need. Good content. Number two, is there's no such thing as investigative journalism anymore. People don't have the actual money to go out and find a story the what happens is, they're sitting at their desk wondering what to write about your job is to give them something to write about, and they will write about it, though. The go-ahead is like I'm just like thinking, like, and that's that's how you end up with site like business insider that has a thousand articles on the ten best hamburgers. You know in the United States. Exactly. They're just looking for content to be fun to them. So the, the real I come up with what we call the three easy steps to free PR, the first step is to know your angle and every business, we talk about businesses in general for second every business really has five airy similar stories. The first story is kind of the entrepreneurial startup. Right. It's how did you start your company? Did you drop out of a career? Did you leave a job somewhere where you frustrated with something? It launched the start of the new product you, try to solve some problem that you had will, you bet your entrepeneurship startup story. The second story that everybody has is the overcoming adversity right as the heros, during that. I struggled with this while I was running my company. I really struggled in. Here's what I learned. Here's what I overcame. And there's a lesson there for everyone inspiration there for everyone. And it's that same hero's journey arc that you take people through. So we all have. You know, you have, and I have a number of, of these overcoming adversity stories. The media wants to write about the third one is, is, we have our culture angle. Right. It's like what kind of culture do we have that because everyone wants to learn more about culture in? It's not about the remiss is in the free lunches. So how do we build great companies? How do we build remote teams you might have your technology angle? Right. How you're leveraging technology tools and apps hacks to render business, or you might have suffered a remote, gene. So the key is to come up with, you know the last one. The fifth one is your the story related to your customers benefitting from your product or service, that's really a customer testimonials story. Right. So in my case, I would talk about, you know, CEO's that I've coached, and the successes, they had in their business or Teo who joined the alliance and how it made a difference in their careers. And I get the article to cover them in their successes of mentioned in that story. So if you think. About those are the angles, the second one is to know your target audience and this means the target audience of the actual media outlet that is covering them because in every case, if we think about a business story, you know, the Wall Street Journal's business section, or fortunes, business magazine, or Forbes entrepreneur inker success or new your podcast or a blog or Forbes online, all of those have very, very different business audiences even though their business outlets. So you think after think about how do you have you spin your story or position your story for that specific audience? And that's the kind of know your target than the third step is to pick up the phone, and this is where most people go sideways, especially nowadays more than ever. They try to Email. Everyone will the idea is in every single journalist probably gets two hundred miles a day, but they probably only get four or five phone calls a day in two of them are other. So you've much much higher chance. Getting through to someone if you own the and if you if you don't get a hold anything even leave a quick message and say, hey, it's Cameron calling from the CO alliance. I think I've a great story for you. Give me a call back. Here's the number. If I'm sorry, and half snuggle on back, but and, and what's the best way to get their phone number? So you can get the phone numbers either off online databases, like station or media outlets or muckracker online databases, you can subscribe to for not much money. Maybe fifteen hundred eighteen hundred dollars a year or if you're just doing a little bit Grillo PR in your contacting, maybe ten people often, you'll find their phone numbers, just through Google Lincoln or yelling, can worst-case scenario, you can also phone actual outlet and just say, you know, his Mike Dillard, their pleaser Cameron calling for Mike. Mike, mike. Dillard in this kind of odd g shucks your way him. Yeah. Because nowadays, there's really no such things a gatekeeper anymore. These big companies aren't used to getting phone calls. So they kind of you're supposed to be calling person, and then the pitch that I use always the same aid. You have two minutes. I think I've agreed story for you and more often than not the person's going to say, yes, because again, they're looking for good content when it comes to. Two. So I'm gonna use myself as an example, because I've been thinking about this the last few months dealing with my health stuff. Right. I have a hell of a story to tell from the past year, and I'm waiting to tell it until I'm, I'm fully recovered, and I have a final chapter, essentially an e the preliminary title might be something along the lines of how the entrepreneurial hustle almost killed me kind of a deal. Right. So I know outlets like entrepreneur magazine success fortune etcetera, etcetera. It would probably have an interest in that story. And an additional benefit that I have to offer is that, hey, assuming you publish this. I will send my entire audience to your publish. You know, your site your article to go read it. You don't you don't have to do that part. Okay. Don't don't, don't do that, at the beginning because then it sounds like you're selling them, right? Remember, they actually need your. Sorry. And it's to have enough confidence in your story that you don't have to give the additional benefits. Gotcha. Okay. So that I really, really good. Because this is a journalist who just wants really good content, by the way, I don't know if I would wait until your stories done, then it's like everybody else's. Imagine if your story is how my health issues has been killing me and what I'm doing overcome the or what I'm doing to try to overcome them. So there's like a hope imagine if you could take people along the journey with you. Imagine if you can have like a three part study over the next twelve months, you're gonna talk about what you're working on because everybody has that story of, oh, I was sick. And now I'm not right. What about what about I'm sick and I'm struggling, and I'm gonna open up the KOMO knowing what you go through it with me. Okay. All right. Gotcha. Like fuck. That's cool. So question number two, four. You is around approaching multiple publications. Ideally, you know, you see, when you see story go out that usually is good. You're, you're seeing it everywhere. Your. And a lot of outlets. How do you approach that in handle that where it's like, hey, should I give this to entrepreneur do you wanna run it for success? Ideally, I want to get it in both. But what's the strategic component around handling that more often than not none of us that are listening right now are really running that big of an exclusive story that we can pitch the embargoed story to one one out? We're talking about. We're talking about running that big, speech or front page article that's gonna be the big scoop than we probably know that's what it is. But if it probably trying to strategically think about it would probably I think I wouldn't worry about it as much. So, I would I would be doing is looking for a lot of city related press, you know, business magazines newspapers city by city, you can get covered in the discovery Tribune than Francisco, Chronicle Dallas Morning News. Boston globe. Thank her son. Austin, whatever you think about market by market by market all of those business. Newspapers will cover you as well as multiple news news outlets like magazines and wires. The key is just remember those journalists have their target audience than you're gonna position your story or spin your story, a little bit more for their audience. Okay. But if we have those yeah, if you big scoop story than it something slightly different. Do you come to? Them with your story already written and everything ready to go and to hand to them. Or, or do you doubt what I do is? I, I give him the title of what the story might sound like right? So it might be, you know, how my health almost Kilmer how, how mine health has been killing me or something to that effect. And then what are the five bullet points around that story? Right. So it's how I was struggling how I noticed. I was struggling how I have been reaching out for help, what I've been doing about it. And what I plan to keep doing, you know, cheer me on kind of, and you and you give the author journalist, the five core bullet points so they can frame, a story around that it's kind of insulting to a writer to send them full story. It's almost like walking up to a girl in a regular guy bar, giving them your entire life resume. Like, hey, here's everything about me. They'll be like, dude. I don't like now I wouldn't even be able to. Uncover that overtime. Right. Right. You wanna give give the little tidbits about yourself and then get them to come up with their own perceptions of their own store, and then the, the other big piece of the puzzle that I would wanna have in place. I is a proper way to capture that attention. Right. Yes. So the first again, I always go back to pick up the phone, so I never phoned the news desk. I never phone. The city desk. I never editor, let me think about an editor for a second. The editor who woke up today you know it's Monday, the editor that sat down to their desks. Today is going through hundreds of newswires in press releases for the last few days and they're saying, not every single one of them. Picture them with a stock of two hundred wires in two hundred nails. They're saying, no, no, no, maybe, no, no, maybe why would you ever want to call that person? But if you phone the writer and sitting down dust going what the hack Megan right about today, and you give them some story that might inspire them chances are they're going to say yes to it. So I, I do like that. Initial message of aid. You have two minutes. I think I've good story for you. If they say, yes, you say, here's the headline in here couple bullet points. What do you think if they say, no too busy? Give you call tomorrow or Thursday. And then let's say you get the green light. They do the interview with you. It's gonna be a great piece. Do. They typically ask you. Hey, is there any website or something that you want me to link to a reference? Yep. They may ask you for more supporting information after you get into and you realize they're writing in store. You can ask them. Would you like me to send you some more points on this to send you a couple of a website links? You might be able to look at wholesome information from don't ask them to link back to your website until no, the stories running because then you can ask them. And they'll say, yes, but kind of it's kind of getting a fish on the line. You wanna make sure the fish is on the hook before you really a real it in. Right. Don't, don't turn from story to marketing until you know, there's a story. I cheat that a little bit again. You're there to help there to help them come up with a story once you've helped him cope with the story there, so thankful. They'll put all kinds of links in it back to your website. And that is, by the way, one of the strongest ways to drive up the oh, his media about your brand without a doubt. If you were to Google my name right now. And look, Google news. It's story after story after story and that all links back to my website. That's pretty colorful stuff. Yeah, absolutely. On the on the voice mail message. So let's say you don't get through the journalists and you're gonna leave a phone call. Just leave the message and say, hey, it's Cameron calling from the CO lions if you have two minutes giving show back. I think I have a good story for you. Here's myself number. That's it don't tell them the story. Don't tell them and don't send him an Email follow up. Wait until you've left two or three messages before you send an Email. And if you send an Email, the Email should be exactly the same thing. Don't tell the story. You're trying to get them to phone you to engage with you, and most of them will. Okay, awesome. How many people should you be reaching out to on a daily basis? And what do you think you're? Response ratio. Would you know something to shoot for? Are you telling topic or something about I was just thinking to myself, I should probably tell you how the whole sales, our, I'm so think of it like sales funnel, that this is a no, you're you're talking to potential buyers. So what I like to do is make ten outbound phone calls maximum per day. Even eight outbound calls per day is really good pitching eight people day that sporty pitches per week that comes up to one hundred fifty pitches hundred sixty pitches per month that will usually generate six stories, promote. And what is the process typically look like from a time commitment for from the, yes. Is that you get right? Is an hour long phone call. Is it multiple? It's, it's often less than an hour long. It's probably closer to twenty minute phone call for most journalists. I'm thinking about how fast you can talk you can really cover a pretty good story. Right. If you're doing a very indepth story with a major like we did. Fortune magazine that was probably a half day. No in-person meeting, or Associated Press wrote a story that ended up in two hundred twenty newspapers on a single day that was about a half day. No media Tom Cohen. But even like I did a I was in the physical printed issue of Forbes magazine, two years ago, the full page article in Forbes that also which also appears online. But that was with the publisher Carl guarded, I think it was maybe a twenty five minute phone call that ended up as a full page article very cool. Very cool. How do you go about pitching multiple journalists at the same publication or contributor yet? Puffer one I often try to just go with one. I try to figure out which writer for publication is the best one go with them until they say, yes or no. If you hit four or five of them, they end up, usually sitting with their editor, and they're all they're all explaining their story. You don't wanna have Mike John, Bob and Kelly, all explaining that they wanna talk about this story go shit. Guys pitched. All of us. It's us it's usually better to pitch one until you get a no or yes. And then if they get a no try second one, but I would be pitching, you know, multiple people in the same city or you know, that kind of thing, even example, here's a good one. By the way on a customer success side. Let's say I had a customer in Tampa who I coached, this guy, Bobby Harris from bluegrass logistics that coach for five years, I can phone, every single media outlet in Tampa over the course of the month, you know, tentative for five days before weeks. I would cover virtually every journalist in Tampa, every reading all the small ones I'd probably five or six stories about bluegrass logistics benefiting from our coaching after I do that. I could then actually pick up the phone and start calling every single journalist Detroit about another client of mine. Charles Mok Charles has a group called the lure medical if the exact same pitch miss the exact same kind of story, but it's a completely. Market a completely different customer. And I could just do city after city after city if I go through my nineteen coaching clients by the time, I've done nineteen cities, I've covered nineteen weeks of pitching, you get enough press to cover you for couple of years, and that's way cheaper than ever. Hiring a PR firm for six thousand dollars a month, and then let's, let's talk about that. So let's talk about the, the ROI that you've seen from pursuing this activity clear. Getting some are wire you wouldn't you wouldn't be still doing this. Yeah. So, well, I is that it's everyone believes what they read in the press, even you know, we're being conditioned around this fake news idea. We still believe there's truth in all this journalism in the stories that you're telling your prospects than your customers are gonna believe those more than they believe your sales letter or emails that you're sending right? So what you can do with the press every, every news, article I get I send it out five times on Facebook. I send five times Lincoln. I send it out five times on Twitter over the course of a few months, I E mail, it's my list. I E mail into the speakers bureaus it gets linked back to my website. I added to the prestige my website. So I'm really taking each story, amplifying it in multiple ways, and all of that drives more credibility more credibility, more credibility. And guess what? You can finally put. Real as featured in, you know blank blank blank on your website. Yeah. And I've even I've even gone so far now is to make a real point of saying things like I've been in the physical printing of forms, physical printing the physical print issue of fortune, as apprentice entrepreneur, not just the website, which has now when I say that it kind of not simply discredits all the prostate anybody else's getting because people like await. Yeah, they're not in a real magazine. And so when you push for really strong content it actually does make you stand out, and you can also get re principle that. No, I've got physical boxes of the Forbes magazine, because it's a full page article written by the publisher about the, the vivid vision, concept, a hand, copies out, everybody, my coaching Conan's copies of sealines members handed events. So there's a lot of, of additional as you mentioned, the strategic side of PR was a lot of other strategic reasons that PR is really good about. Dr zero is well, but don't look at one article going to necessarily drive traffic to your door. Even when we run Oprah for one hundred junk, we didn't necessarily sell a lot of franchises from being on Oprah. The real play. We got off of was ability to talk about being on Oprah for the next sixteen years. Yeah, I mean it's just the limit stamp of their party credibility, right? Is there a way to strategically increase your odds of being put into the print publication? Yeah. I think that the waste is strategically do to make sure that your website is very press friendly. You have good photos up. You have good press. Ling of good press content of new show yourself as being credible. It's to make sure that you keep adding all the additional media that you get any Ryan holiday wrote a really great book years ago called. Trust me. I've lying talked about lathering up the media and every media piece of media coverage. You get shows. More and more credibility for the big publications to take you seriously. Right though. If you've been shown twelve times than, you know, chances are better. If you've been shown fifty times, all of a sudden, they won't even read those articles, they'll be like, wow, this is getting out of coverage. They are the real deal. And she credibility up to mazing. This is just a game of social proof. Totally social proof. Yeah. And that's why so forbade what I like doing all hire a fulltime. I love women underway that are in PR than men are they get through the gatekeepers better better on the phone. They multitask, better. So I hire twenty four twenty five year olds females who loved to sell. I treat it like a sales position because it's cold calling picking up the phone. It's handling rejection managing sales funnel. But if you're paying a fulltime PR person, fifty thousand dollars a year, paid him four thousand dollars a month. Give them another five hundred a month in bonus. Maybe it's fifty five thousand dollars a year, you will absolutely LAN content. And then when you repurpose by handing that content to either, you know, a freelance marketing person of your marketing team, any can really leverage. It is. They can take it republished reluctance. All right. So this just got really interesting. I love that idea. How much do you do you offer? How do you compensate them for each booking that they do? Yeah. What I do is I set up a goal that in the first two months, they have to win three stories a month for the next two months. They have to lend four stories among for the next two months after lend five stories among, and then at six stories month rever afterwards. If they're landing those stories, they're getting a five hundred or six hundred dollars a month dullness, that's it. That's the whole program the entire program is based on them hitting their goals. I don't bonuses in place for that with the Tatum normal salary for. Okay. So, so just to make sure understand this. You're paying them a fulltime salary to, to pursue these bookings and then hitting those goals gives them a bonus. Yeah. Just a little bonus on top of that. Okay. All right. That makes sense. I'd imagine this could potentially be just a great job for virtual assistant whose hungry in. You know, commission based in and is a go getter it. Yes. But don't ever treat it like in the role treat it like it's a sales Ryan really think of a marketed as a sales role because you're gonna hire you're gonna hire a sales person the ads, it's a great like it actually scales quite nicely. I've also been able to use part time, people doing it who also are selling by normal product or service. They spend two or three days a week sowing my products, and they spend two or three days a week, selling my PR able, still a sales person. What Cameron this has been like filled with actionable actionable tips strategy. I don't I don't remember the last time we had an interview that was like ninety nine percent meat and content and an action stuff like this. Thank you for going into the details that you have this is just kind of the tip of the iceberg youth. But this into a book that is step by step blueprint and manual for going out and pursuing free PR and getting it like this. What's the title? The book and where can people get a copy? Yeah. The book is called free PR, and it's on Amazon, audible and itunes. Absolutely step by step. In fact, the reason I wrote it originally was nine years ago, the CEO of grasshopper dot com asked me to write is internal manual the teach him how to build an internal yards on that became the kind of core content than nine years later turned into a real book. Wow. Cool. Very cool guys. Definitely go pick up a copy of the book, I think cameras laid this out and such an easy to understand, fashion and systematized it to where all of us can go immediately start applying this to our businesses. And you never know when one of these stories is going to go big it's going to go viral and it's going to, you know, have the potential. The change your business. I can't tell you how many businesses and startups, I've seen especially around Kickstarter where just the PR in the press around their stories have put their businesses on them. Map so I think pursuing this and doing it right. And doing it strategically with the help of Cameron's ebook is something, everybody needs to do. I know I'm gonna definitely start pursuing this myself. So Cameron, thanks for coming on, once again, and dump, and just a ton of knowledge, and wisdom for everybody, you always deliver the goods whenever whenever you show up. So thank you so much for doing that where you. And where else can people go to connect with you, personally, whether it's your personal website or social media? Look at the second in command podcast on itunes in every wells podcasts are but the second, I only interview the second in command. So the CEO so for all the great companies out there that we're hearing from the CEO, I get the rest of the story and then the CO alliance dot com by core. Website is well awesome. Awesome. Awesome guys go pick up a copy of free p r off Amazon connect with Cameron, and definitely go, make sure you check out the classes that he's produced for you over at Mike, Dillard dot com. Click on the classes, tab, he did two amazing classes of Crete vivid vision for your business, and then how to hold meetings where he basically dives into the same level of detail. You just went through here today, but how to hold productive meetings for your team and your company it's absolutely game changing content. So make sure you check that out as well. Thanks for listening as always if you loved this interview, please, share it with your friends and leave us a five star review on itunes. Spotify anywhere else where you might be listening to. This that helps us out here at the show tremendously. I appreciate you listening as always, and we'll see next.

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HR 2: 1st win in the Bubble

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

HR 2: 1st win in the Bubble

"Who? Are. Really going to do acapella pull. One thousand nine hundred. Yes you see that Nike split-screen ninety-eight. Best. Was Sodas. In a long time man. Seals. chills all over my body kind of add. Like usually those inspirational as especially for my Nike or something like that. I just kind of ignore. Worry. About pay your bills just to it. Something? Stupid like that. You dislike. New Nike ad is height. General like. I don't want to see and more at from different companies telling me. It's going to be okay because all of these. Reminding how damn weird it his all right now like this is what would make me feel normal different companies advertising on. TV just cool commercial. That would actually make like everything is normal stopped trying to reassure me like that. That's not gonNA. Make It work I knowing I'm not here for your inspiration no no. Like I I appreciate a thought. It's not helping just do a commercial and like Nike, like that's a type of commercial. No matter what the sentiment is. That's a Nike commercial that was great. That was really great spies. Really, really close especially when they split between the grind and Megan, I'm just like that was don't that. I. Mean. It's it's a reminder of where Lebron is not just as an athlete. You know not as one of the all-time great athletes in any sport where he is as presence like what he needs right now just puree society like what Lebron striving do you know and the NBA really has leading to you know they're just not going to be. Perfect you know in terms of I'd say messaging for everybody you know there's there's a corporate element to it, and that's just the way things work but I think for a big corporate entity they're leaning into this and the Lakers one, zero, three, one, one over the clippers and we saw big moments from Lebron's down the stretch best all around game maybe crews laid all season and we saw Anthony Davis LLC setting the tone in this game started out huge fourteen points in the verse order eight trips to the line in the first quarter like ab was doing it and. They got. The the biggest guy have out there is zoo bonds who if he was born in the eighty s played in the nineties might very well be an all star because I think he's that talented offensively that he certainly would have been a problem for people if this was a different time but because of where we are right now with how the game was played, you know he's As effective, you need a little bit more mobility Lubov can't keep up with a D.. jokey as good as joke he. I thought play considering everything. He's thirty five. He came back from akitas injury. He two out of the me I thought Joe can play well, but he can't keep they. Have kept with add in his prime when he wanted to visit player of the year. Defensive Nightmare and he decides I'm going to be aggressive offensively. He's as good as any offensive player. There isn't a lead so you have a completely unguarded guy with. Set of skills he was opposed to eat last night and he did and the bronze and the. Rest of very smart be consistently look for him. Like they decided you know what big fella you gotTA cooking. We just going to keep feeding. You can't eat anymore. Yeah, it's one of the most stylistically interesting things about this matchup is just like and we've known this for the season. Again, we've seen it a lot over the course of now four games. The clippers don't have a natural cover for Anthony like somebody that you look at Goget. That's the guy, the covers eighty, two, the majority of the game, the way if they were playing Toronto is. I. Guess The obvious guy that you would do this with you know and the Lakers don't really have natural guy that you put on. For the majority of the game like they've got guys maybe can do insert. So they don't have the guy that naturally stands out as okay you're. Crime primarily got so it comes down to okay. Utilize those matches. IOS matchups the most like who can actually manipulated the most whether you're talking about the Lakers ad or the clippers with Kawhi Leonard, and in this game, the Lakers did a really good job maximizing what they had. Anthony Davis, started out strong than with the Lakers were were get behind in that game double digits that third quarter comeback that was all the me Davis hit an outside shot set set up shots. You know ad brought them back within a point to close out the third so I mean we. Were still waiting for like a signature playoff moment like really memorable from Anthony. Davis he's had big playoff games and you know he's performed well in the playoffs. He just hasn't been there a lot and he's never been there. You know on a contender where you really feel like, okay. This team has a chance to win the whole thing. Has Been focused all year. The same way Ron has been focused all year and yesterday's game was a reminder of a lot of different things you can do. Yes. Yeah. He went ad decides he's just going to get that work at he says he's just a tough tough guard and when you when you consider the fact that you're right, he doesn't have a lot of playoff moments but he did destroy Portland. He's played destroy well. He destroy, Portland, and so when you when you know what he can do if given enough opportunities and now he's with a squad led by a guy who's unselfish and is looking for him. We can expect a lot of what happened last night to be throughout the playoffs and this might be the first time. If they were to make it to the finals. This'll be the first time in which voters really will have a real choice. If the Lakers win MVP or window finals knows I'm a real choice for finals MVP. I. Just don't. Click. He's got no, they don't. He's got something for you right now it wants to talk to you L Z clipper snoopy what's up What's up? WHAT'S UP WHAT'S UP GUYS LV? Listen I. Know Nine ally Keyshawn Multi New York. He doesn't want to be here when the Clippers Championship this year. I don't know how you're both seen about this last night. Bro. Number One we remission strip club Lou last night. Lemon Pepper Lou. Yeah. Ways. Boy Lou we're missing Trez. And you guys. Come on to be a blog if he asked me. Well one we didn't ask you since you've called in. If you're instill moral victories. If, you're still looking for moral victories than perhaps not. You think you are because championship teams championship teams don't do things like we were missing this guy and this guy you were supposed to blow us up. So we lost, but we didn't lose by much. Teams that do that are led by twenty, four, twenty, five year olds, teams that do that haven't done anything yet and they're just happened to be there. If you are a championship caliber team, you're not looking going up we were so close to win it, and if guys would have won chimpanzees don't do that. Lindsay. We haven't had practice man. We have our full squad, who's GONNA set. Up Okay and number one man and you know what? Keep keep cutting edge you guys play. Did you play? Did you play? Did you play hard? Did you play all the minutes he hung up on you? Paul George McCoy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He no he hung. He hung up on fabulous. But I'm still going to give him the holder. You're not. GonNa. You can not. Not Sell me on how this wasn't an important game to the clippers. This was absolutely an important game to the clippers. You know why we know that because he was closing seconds of the fourth quarter and Paul George? As what is. Out there on that floor. You know why we know it's an important gay because we're watching Doc rivers and he wasn't acting like he wasn't interested he was coaching. You know how this important game because the kind of defense that they were playing the physical they were playing. They were very physical with Lebron James Very physical with them and arrest to their credit. Let them play. This was an important game. And you're absolutely right. You guys were missing key people but notice how to call it in mentioned who the Lakers? You notice that. Worse player third quarter with in the third quarter when the Lakers were struggling offensively and we would normally no. This is the time where Rondo would be on the floor to make sure that the offense wouldn't struggle because he would be facilitating. We didn't have that and it showed me didn't have that which is why you hit a third quarter that you have. But notice he didn't mention that part he only can remember who wasn't there for the clippers, but that's okay. Because when you're trying to be something you're looking for all the reason the worldwide has be something day materialized. But when you are something, you're not looking into what you don't have. You're trying to work with what you do. We talked about this. I'm not gonNA treat rondos absence like it's something that's sort the Lakers I I actually think a lot of ways. It's beneficial. Mirando is not not that being said, Avery Bradley isn't there and when the Lakers won that game right before Season Stop Avery? Bradley. Twenty. Four points in that game he played really well, we've seen all year. You know his ability to treasurer offenses picking up ninety four feed the disruption, and if nothing else he's somebody that you can put out there to bother Paul George or. Quite, lettered plus to this is what I think does matter. Yeah. Look and Trez weren't there and that is something that shit for the clippers. The flip side though is Lebron typically doesn't Miss Twelve shots. Lebron typically does not struggle the way he does over the course of game. If Lebron has merely an average game, just an average game, not a great game but an average game as opposed struggle game. This whole game is different and you're not going to be counting on that very often from abroad gelato drew. Once the way you're on the morning show what's Your fellow. My man thank you. You've been defending the Lakers honors the last two days Andy I duNNo. was leading that caller yesterday as he had to check him and this clipper dummy calling up. Well, he's. Recurs friends. They had their full-strength last last time they beat the clippers and he failed to mention that too. So the Tequila slow in today we got the win dodgers got the win you know apartment with solid gold berry copy. Always, always br I'm going to defend the Lakers and by the way I just want to be by my good friend Andy that while is true. The Avery Bradley went off in Advance Game Rondo led the team will. Seven assists off the bench. You don't go one, eighty, four you go. Ahead and that might Rondo isn't a health you don't here with that you go. Ahead with disrespect disrespectful. In fairness playoff playoff Rondo has been a thing and that is. It's been. Is. Your. It's been. A minute. Yes it has its own. Playoff he went off. It's two seasons ago. It's two seasons ago her a guy. That was. That was the last time John James within the playoffs. The last time Anthony Davis was in the playoffs are you putting Rondo? And Rondo and eighty no one level like really. Put him into the same level. I'm saying they all were in the playoffs two years ago. So why is two years ago making a difference in you? That's not a very bad argument is my point. was present present me with some valid points and not some of these make believe okeydoke points you get from rods, dot com no valid. The valid point is the season of watching Rondo all year that that's my point. Who isn't the drew? Alan in the. And how you doing this is. Orange County. You wearing a mask are you wearing a mask? Growing. But I was just trying to say. Down and. but I was trying to let you know waiters played a hell of a game. Yesterday, we gotta give him props up to him. We will we will be launched. You hear the. So did you hear the show yesterday? We. Dear waiters, I told you. Put in that work yesterday before it even happened I know but he looked like a superstar. Man Right there that's what I'm trying to share it. I'm very excited about the are waiting. For the. Dr Raiders never been out there dangling like that. People ran away from him because he as a bad gumy's. Do because he had a bad gumy's. He looked like some like Chubby boy chubby boy oughta playing street basketball. It came out looking like an all star. So but I had never noticed now waiters before but I want to give trust to Dr Waiters and the lake again pc off. All right sir, the people are demanding were hit. You're getting a lot on twitter on the people are demanding some talk about dion where we will go there next because key looks like he is going to end up an important part of this team's rotation before. So we will talk a little bit about dion waiters last night and what that means mess right? There's any hope I, here's a little help. Healthy trying to influence the voters I'm not above it and I like this. As doing it because everytime rogers try to rigid it for me it's only turned out worse. I don't blame me for your second and third round disasters. That's all you and your scouting department. Yeah. Reads where this phone dog. Seriously You she's huge I mean who who you Gomez we go with these debt. Irish so your third and fourth round women can stay. Know. Third and fourth round picks are fine. Yeah you. Always find a way to just still still is the problem that I took reach too early or that I took her at all. Early. And crabs at all. I get she's reese. You perhaps set. Okay. We'll see we'll see I mean look. Drake is an unconventional pick I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not saying it's good. He he starred in A. Drama for I think no one watched handed in Canada Yeah. Degrassi no keys from Canada. People in America Watch DEGRASSI, my kid watched the GRASSI. Last time drink performed in La he got booed. Yeah I. I would say this I've won the last five snake drafts. Yes, I. Feel like I'm in a good space. I. Feel like I'm in a good space I. Is On the show I won that round now we're done guys. I. Really, be. Yourself you're going to be snake drafted against yourself just a challenge. It's going to be. Versus. No no no no no. No I don't WanNa make it about be I just understand. You know the the artists Chelsea I understand this well look I am not just pandering for the win. I'm trying to actually do this in ways that I think are on wow. Wow. So. Now, trying to represent the people is pandering now. Are you are you just trying to win the poll amongst Denver, you really trying to make the best choices. There's difference. Great. Ricky. Schroder is out there. The Great Gary Coleman played in. So. Basically, you say, are you trying to win the play the game or you try to play of Win Which? I understand. I understand what you're saying I mean look I stepped right off the Bat Janet Jackson that strong strongest poll that was a really really good poll and then better than we. She was available where Reese Witherspoon went. I know she was I know she was. I think. Rate I think I might have recovered well after drake. But we'll see we shall see drake I know isn't like like Raj said not popular in the city now popular a lot of a lot of people don't like drink if we're being really honest about this lot of folks don't want. The less nonetheless, he has more top ten singles. One in music history nobody does it's amazing. Just set a record. It's pretty unbelievable. So that dude is. We'll see all know what the dog. Is Likely. I think people like Drake's music more than a like drake. Like they they liked the finished product. They don't like how the sausage is made. So we'll see or who's making sausage. We'll figure it out people like you go to. When you go to compete page and it starts off. The Gate East I says at. I, he began working as an actor. I'm laid Jimmy Brooks, a basketball star who became physically disabled shot by classmate drama, Dr Eda's pure. He's sort of what an Oscar he said Emmy. Jordan we. Michael Jordan have to kill his friend in a wire. That's that takes active. That's drama no Yup they had to kill us right he he's GonNa go down my copy Jordan on on wire as Wallace. You know one of the all-time if not the greatest show in TV history with some of the most memorable characters ever like the Wallace storyline that will crush you every time. You see it like what happened with Wallace like that's just devastating and Michael Jordan's amaze me look at them now no conduct. Look at them now. Hey I've got hate. No you'll picks they sell for the one on one. I thought you. Put it like this three or four at the plate. That's a good may as a good night good night we shall see we will let the people decide the people though are loving. Dion waiters right now dion wears last night another strong showing off the bench for the Lakers in this win over the clippers five ten from the field eleven points to assist block shot. Not. Turnover three rebounds and like we've talked about before the threat Elsie that he represents as a shock creator for himself for other people the handles the ability to make things happen on the court he definitely their fourth guard. Now there's no question whether you're talking about Jr Smith or I actually think when Rondo is available there's a chance he's lost his spot because dion can do more. Well. Declines in the mix. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT and I. Said this before and I'm GonNa say it again I can't believe this league was so scared of a dude who had a bad reaction to gummy they met this dangle out there then streets. You let this just right out on your streets because of a desktop was. A potent in more potent usual Gumy's took one because he's a baller do. He's above this is this isn't a situation where Dwight Howard who had countless opportunities and he's thirty five years old and you know you're just sort of like. Is he worked the headaches no dion is twenty eighty. And doesn't have the same sort of hopping around history that Dwight Howard had. This is in the case of jokey Noah who was injured and it was cough not money new. York and then kind of bounce around and you know you're not quite sure what he has left. There wasn't a question of what dion waiters had left. It's just people thought he was damaged goods because of the last episode he had on the plane with the Comey's. In, understand that that you know maybe two years ago a dude who had a bad reaction to to see a sea, you may want to stay away from but come on man I talk about smoking every day on this show lots of people took we gotta whole park has called up in smoke all folk. Yes all the spoke we we're in a different place in his conversation I can't believe that the out there hanging out because we. Like I mean I'm happy to. The Lakers just picked up. He wants his Lincoln's grabbed him. But come on dog. You can see why when they brought in Jr Smith and beyond waiters why they grab. Dion I. You can see your De. Dark. The on the upside for Dion waiters and what it's been more than just you know that one gummy isn't like Diaz had conditioning issues a lot over the course of a season. You know he was part of a Miami Heat Organization that really prides itself on culture and the ability to buy in and Dion did not buy it at all I. Guess suspended three times over the course of a season. Yet issues frankly the first time around with Lebron in Cleveland and he ended up getting traded ironically enough circle a life for JR Smith. So you know the de Dion has dion, if the jokes are easier with the gummy, the jokes writing sells more the gummy but there's more to it with with the waiters. But that being said, the upside is also there like there's a reason that people been waiting on with dion or that people can see you know the they'll take. They'll take the time to actually squint with the try to convince themselves that it's there and when he is focused when he's playing with an assistant and I think right now playing within a culture and a situation that he buys into. There's a lot that he can bring you the team and he's got a lot to play rosie like he's trying to convince the rest of the League and the Lakers you want me in my prime you want me for two or three years. You can sign me that deal and you're going to be happy about it like there's a lot of the line for Dion. There is there is a lot on the line for Dion and he's playing at least as of right now, we look at the scrimmages as well as. I Gai- he's playing like he's going to honor this opportunity. The way that Dwight Howard honored his opportunity the way that could joking Noah over the clippers he's that opportunity you'll get. PORTLAND. You Know Carmelo Anthony Very grateful for this opportunity when you've been knocking on the door saying, let me back here and someone finding does. So usually you act right now occasionally, you'll get a Michael Beasley you know who you led back in and then you know. Still can't get right. Okay. So you had to do like that. But for the most part you know the guys were talking about. Especially, if they have an opportunity to play for like a team that come on face, it can win a chip. These guys are stepping up these guys, could it be available and dion much like how? Much like Dwight Howard found money. Found money I just. I was like. This do. What waiting for chairs you're crazy. That do go yeah. He can go I'm glad he's a Laker and is Lakers also to the the opportunity for Dionne may not have been there had Rondo stay healthy you know it Rondo I don't think Frank Vogel was going to be taking Rajon Rondo out of the rotation. So you never know if you would have that same shot, but he's got it now and Rondo. is going to be out for at least the first round of the playoffs and you know Rob Lowe weak- and rich Paul, and let's be honest Lebron because everything gets his his approval they're looking smart right now for that acquisition with Dion waiters and the willingness to be open. All right. The dodgers down in Arizona they are keeping their winning ways alive and an unlikely hero. Has emerged for this season so far getting that next seventeen ESPN is about time I, guess some music played on my behalf. Time. And eat ain't playing today. The people have spoken about seventy two percent of the people. And then this time it only lasts for an hour. So I don't know I'm going to bask in my glory well, no, no no we're cutting pull off after an hour. Oh, excellent Nice. I think people enough. They've spoken enough the way I. Like you don't need anymore speaking we get what they're all thinking only back yet it that's right. Should I start? Should I start retweeting and stuff like handy? that. Yet I'm just wondering what's the protocol? Do I need to wait a little bit longer were just all I know Starting your online campaign this gives us our data. Give us our fifteen minutes. I tweeted out one time. Kim Brothers vote early vote often takes one time Andy you said that's at one time. I, think one time is just one. Okay. All right I see you play a dirty. So I got I gave up now I'd see. How you can play dirty when you're out in the open. I don't see how you can play dirty when you're when you're being transparent. Yeah I just. Advocating for myself, I didn't say anything disparaging about your list in my re tweet I, just I'm helping people be aware who may not even know what I was onto that. There may be people need to realize that I was on today so. I don't think it's that big of a deal. No No, I'm I'm rooting for you to have a good game. You're listening to your listening to Black Elsie. while. Teeth I mean. I wasn't necessarily going to. Frame it like that but Transitioning to the dodgers. There on a three game winning. Streak Elsie. down. In Arizona take down the snakes six to three, hundred, seven, I've one snake drafts in a row. You know what? You are their inspirational you are who that clubhouse turns to. Of, adversity, like right before the whole Houston began the like what what else do? How would he handle this moment of adversity? Where would help the find a strength? I would find INCI. Listen. This is a good showing. La had a great day. Yeah. No because the Lakers. The Lakers won the dodgers wanted to spark swat basically everyone who plays a game and La's on the Jersey somewhere one last night. It was a good. Game. Clear out of three, all three of them. Are you talking about? To the clippers. and Elliott tonight that'd be four works, and then the dodgers win again that'd be fired, and then we'll have the same number of wins I do stay draft wins and speaking of. Speaking, we'll have their team captain on in action in about eight fifteen today. So make sure you listen to that. They, they got big game tonight actually guest Orlando they're gonNA dig. What's quarter-finals correct? Yes. Yes. Quarter found a round of sixteen that's right. Going Tournament. So Aj tolerance. Of all people off to a really strong start yet to two ribs last night to five from the plate and his first home run of the season like this is what they had in mind for AJ pollock last year when they gate him all that money despite the fact that he's got a very long, very chequered history when it comes to health. Well I mean that's always been a theme. Like. No one is surprised AJ pollock hit. No one was shocked by this there's a reason why he was the obvious choice. Because we know what he can do it the bed when he's healthy. Which is why I always like to say AJ stands for always jacked up always upon it because he gets he can't stay upright he can't stay healthy. But when he's there and when he's available, he's really good now the. You know they're not very good. There too in five, the only team that already eliminated from a sixty getting situation. Within the first weekend, then they've already out two hundred five. Done you're already three three games behind already and you barely played seven games. So you're not you're not a very good team, right? But Every win counts, and since we tricked off a win and two to the giants, It's good to see the focus against debates because it's very easy to be seduced into thinking that very we don't have to be very focused. That's how the t book and I'm happy to see US build on a memento from Houston and not mood momentum for sweeping Houston well I. Mean we we went into that opening series, the dodgers versus the giants, and that seemed like an opportunity for the dodgers goes three and one maybe sweep because nobody had any respect or expectations, for San, Francisco and then the weekend and ends. And the dodgers ended up splitting and disappointed in terms of opportunity in front of them. So like you're saying even though Arizona is not a team that anybody has in that Miss, you still need to make sure you don't let down and my hope and again it's early. You know it's a Lotta this is still early but I hope that the bats would wake up a little bit after you got past Houston and I think just the emotions that were involved with that series you know does it help that you're going up against pitcher that's currently sport in the Ira Robbie Ray of close to nine? Yeah. That's going to give you a little bit of help but six run still six runs and it's good to see those bath wake up again and I'm hoping we'll see if there's anything that theory that it just loosens up a little bit. You know the bass need to catch up period but just that it loosens up a little bit without having to think about all the implications of Houston. I didn't think it was that big of a factor, but you know maybe they were pressing because Houston maybe they were secretly so desperate to beat the snot out for. CERIGA. Pitches they. Sweet yet, but they eat out the win in the thirteenth, any they used to mystery. Yeah we're looking at a series very, very bad. Bag Squad and this will allow us to build some momentum. We're still on pace to win forty five games I boldly predicted. But. Requires us to be really serious against really bad heeds yet no, we can't have any letup. Bags. Look. The slot part of the reason that the dodgers are favored by everybody to at minimum you know come out of their divisions because their divisions terrible like the division the Al West is not good to begin with. So by definition that means a lot of your games like you're saying, Elsie present yourself as an opportunity like to keep building your place net standings. But that also means you have to have the discipline not a lead up like I'm not really worried about it with the dodgers this year just because the season is shortened so that urgency's always gonna be there. To make sure that you maintain it. So three games a row for the dodgers that's good. Coming up next low shake are L. Begin. We begin with breaking news for taking shake it. Cardinals brewers called off due to corona virus several members of the. Positive. which is going to post own today's game versus burs. This is on top of everything that's going on with the Marlins we're going on with the phillies going on with all these different teams, take it or shake it baseball's going to finish. Take A. I come. Woz Line. Yes baseball's going to finish. Right now, be this year. Finish. This Is this disaster not yet not yet? No. It south. Disaster lives a neighbor. But you still you know you've got some cushion your one right just because you're post A. Just because you're postponing games doesn't mean the season is gone. Now, the question is, what is the League doing to document how these many to large outbreaks are occurring because if you can go back and trace in isolation and explain what happened what went wrong then you could put in the measures in place to correct those things but when we get to the place in which we can't trace. which is what happened to the country we lost the ability to trace and we couldn't go who was catching it from where and that's why these had to be shut down. When the League is to that point where they don't know how the hell this player guided and we don't know how the hell this manager got it. Then I think you put the brakes but as of right now, if you know you all got it from the same nasty party in Atlanta then I think we're good. It's when you can't figure out where you got it is when things get really really scary I don't think the cardinals were anywhere near Atlanta. We'll see where this goes next want speaking of the coronavirus rudy go bear told the Washington Post he's upset at the way he's been portrayed with Corona virus the media portrayed like The NBA shutdown instead of saying that is pandemic routers, bogere ropes Gobert tested positive. They thought I brought the corona virus to the US turn that damn clock off take her shake. Rudy go bare unfair treatment over the coronavirus. Shake. A. We here. I hear for your friends winding ask Dude. I'm not here for it. I if you were. This them sewer. But you know into deer. You said. You know how you responded to. So just take it. Take it take that long take it's don't. You, you can't explain it away and be you can't you. You can't try to flip the script and use the blame the media technique a lot of people like to do when they hear bad news. They don't they want to say that the news is the news fall is to report Scott to reporting the facts. It's not my fault for creating the facts. Don't do that. If Rudy Gobert hadn't messed around with all those microphones recorders nobody were treated saying there's a reason that nobody blames Tom Hanks I Freddie grown virus like there's a reason at Tom Hanks elicited sympathy and rudy go bear you know did not. It's because of his behavior before that next look Sean McCoy is going to be joining Tom Brady in Tampa. They're excited according to a agent to be playing with established veterans like Brady of Gronk, take it or shake it loose shawn McCoy makes impact with the box assuming there is football. Take. Take. Take take, take, take. Bruce. Arians is a creative person. Tom Brady Leisa back because I can catch and do some things. And you're not asking. Shady to be you know the Workhorse of touch the ball twenty, five, thousand times a day. I ask for that. So. You know it's like what key always says that it's State active doing the things you can do. You can continue to be a positive contributor to to football and I honestly feel that when I saw that I was like. I could see shady getting the getty pass and getting critical I douse. Their third short and in a critical gay and I can see shady gaining the past running for five and you only need three and that's what you're talking about. Yes. Yes. I. Do believe that he would be a positive contributor. We're Tom Brady absolutely as a lot of weapons for Tom Brady at work with staying in the NFL Steven Jones the son of Jerry Jones. told the team website that the cowboys offered? That cross a longer deal, but wanted a shorter deal yet. They still want to sign him for a long term deal after the season taker shake it. You buy what Steven Jones is saying that Dak Prescott will eventually end up in long term deal with Dallas. Shaka. Ashley. Shaking. That's right. I'm shaking. For two years making it because. because. Yeah it just. Doesn't sound logical. and. Doesn't sound logical no, it doesn't sound as if it doesn't sound like a give reason why for two years you've been tried to sign your franchise quarterback. Would does sound logical is that for two years you've been trying to win with the dude who you don't think your. quarterback. That sounds logical. That you've been trying to maximize. A good player, but you don't want to pay him like he's a great player. And so you can try to win the war. All you want is. The reality is that we know Jared Goff. And Carson Wentz had no problem securing the bag for the teams that drafted there. No problem at all. We, not pageant mahomes didn't have any problems securing the bag by the team that drafted him. We know typically speaking that when it comes to the quarterback when there is a prolonged conversation about your compensation. Is because how you feel about you isn't the way they feel about you. When everybody knows you do and you're the franchise, it's easy. When that's not. You get this best that's happening in Dallas. I'll make it even simpler. I can't recall the last time a franchise quarterback in his team. It didn't work out because that franchise just couldn't come up with a contract short enough for that quarterback. I mean. No Man. He just kept insisting on shorter, less guaranteed money less of his future laid out like we wanted to style the guy out, make him a cowboy for life all guaranteed money all the security and he just kept saying, no a wanted short like that doesn't happen I want to show. The use in the NBA NFL. Yeah. Like. This is not the NBA right. In the NBA. Jails because Yeah No. This is not what the NBA does. As. Just a really really strange explanation. I am not buying that from Jerry from Jerry Jones or Stephen. Jones at all aren't coming up. Jones or Mrs Jones anybody any other Joneses I am not buying from at all coming up Lakers get. 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Black Wednesday - WWE's Talent Releases - Notsam Wrestling

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Black Wednesday - WWE's Talent Releases - Notsam Wrestling

"Introducing your host from New York here is Sam Rovers. Hey Guy Special bonus. Thursday show Thursday night Sam. Thursday live for everybody this week because we need it. We need to talk about some stuff. Usually this show exclusively patriotic. But I don't know I didn't WANNA hide this one behind a paywall. I'm sure they'll be some patriotic exclusive stuff going up this weekend but I thought a bonus show is required. Look of course the reason that we watch wrestling at least if you listen to this show and the reason that I'm assuming you've listened to this show is because we love wrestling because it's an escape because we like to celebrate the good things but some days are just bad man. Some days are just bad. Some news is just bad and it just seems like while. We're all stuck in this mess. This quarantined mess. Bad News keeps hitting us. This is not a good week to be a wrestling fan. Not a good week at all a lot of people that you know you ended up tearing about as cheesy as it sounds you. You spent years hours and hours and days and months and years watching all of these people getting invested in all these characters and finding yourself interested in their lives and listen to them you know cut interviews on on podcasts and Youtube and it and it becomes about so much more than just what's going on in the wrestling ring. What happens you know on the regular wrestling? Tv show that it becomes a part of your life and you watch it so much and think about it so much and are so invested in it that it just becomes a part of you. I think for all of us wrestling becomes a part of us. And you know when there's bad news. It hits all of us hard before we get into everything that went down yesterday. We should spend some time talking about Howard Finkel. I mean this one hit really hard this morning. I did PAT McAfee's radio show and just as I was getting off I saw the tweets come rolling in Of this recording just about an hour ago it was announced on twitter that Howard Finkel had passed away now in my opinion Howard Finkel is the best wrestling ring announcer of all time and there will never be competition to me. Anybody that grew up with. Wwe WWF that voice is as defining as any sound impossibly. Be for your childhood. I mean I feel like it makes me wanNA spend the weekend just watching royal rumbles. That he was the ring announcer for as he would As both feet go over the top rope and onto the floor like it's just ingrained in your mind right now let us all find out who drew number one. I mean it was as you think about your childhood and the characters that you grew up with and the moments that you grow grew up with but right there with them is Howard. Finkel is the sound that he brought and the visual. I mean we all know exactly who he is as soon as you see him. You're against the think. The thinks hear his voice them brought that Gravitas. Knowing that you were watching something that was important. He was the sound of wrestling for me. Anyway you know as a WWe kid growing up he was the sound of sports entertainment. This what sports entertainment sounded like. This is what ring announcers were supposed to sound like an every ring announcer sense Howard. Finkel that to me is the comparison. That's the standard bearer. I mean you don't really you know you see like Certain names being imitative other ring. Announcers you know they would have certain you know whether it's Tony Kimmel going. The rated R superstar. Or you know g an seen on on on Roberts there but Justin Roberts but nobody nobody has ever come close to having a voice as iconic to this sport as Howard Finkel so obviously I grew up such a fan obviously I grew up considering him an icon The first time that I met the think it was at a convention and I just walking around you know meeting guys getting autographs and I just kind of started in the game of interviewing people Wrestlers and stuff like that and posting them up on Youtube and as working on open anthony. I'm sure at the time. And I said hello. And he had stopped me and just said that he knew who I was and said something nice or whatever and I was flabbergasted I was there with my wife and I was like just you know who that is. That's the thing I mean. That's that's the guy that's the ring announcer and he was just as nice a guy as you could possibly imagine I mean so passionate about professional wrestling knew you could possibly know I remember growing up and when AOL was first starting and wwe had their aol site. You'd go to keyword WWF and you could go to go to the AOL just before the website before anything they would have out. Think think and Howard finkel would be in the AOL chat room and he'd be asking W. E. Trivia and every single time. He did it. I've been trying to get one of those prize. Packs trying to be getting one of those prize packs never got it but always tried going to live shows as a kid. I mean he would be the first face that you saw before the wrestlers came out. The fink was in the ring. And that's how you knew you really there in person and then you heard it in person and you're like Oh my God. This is the show so I met him and we kept loosely in contact after that which I couldn't I mean I couldn't believe every time I we sent messages back and forth. I was like this is the thank. You just always such a good guy. I mean he was. He would keep track of everything not only encyclopedia on wrestling Trivia. But he knew everything that was going on. That was one of the things that he did was. He just tracked down Who was saying what about. Wwe publicly and not in a negative way just going like. Hey let's just be aware of. Who's of of of what our brand is doing outside of ourselves? And that's what he did you go and look up wrestling stuff all the time When I started the podcast when it was Sam Roberts Wrestling podcast I was like in my head I had heard. Howard Finkel do a couple of like weddings here. And they're like they would go viral when he would do him 'cause against so iconic and I went you know this is like five years ago but I was like you know. There's a lot of wrestling podcasts. Out there and if I was saying that five years ago when I think now but as like there's a lot of wrestling podcasts out there that was when I was the king of the game by a mile and I said. I don't know what I can do that. Really GonNa make me stand out and make me different and I had this idea to maybe see if I could somehow get Howard Finkel to cut some lines for me and so I reached out to him and again talking about being flabbergasted when he got back to me and he said you know. I normally wouldn't do this but I'll do it. Yeah yeah sure I'll do it. I couldn't believe it I could not believe it and he did it or you know you went through. Wwe's PR and everything. And the whole thing. And I knew I as the steps as you were going through the steps. There's like at some point. I'm going to get hit back with like of course Howard. Finkel is not gonNA cut your podcast intro. He's Howard Finkel okay. Do you have any idea what that voice means? And I'd be like yeah. No I was waiting for this to happen but can hurt to ask and I really don't even like asking for stuff you know. That's not my thing I don't I don't I don't like making requests but I was like this is worth it and he did it and I will never forget. He got back to me and he sent me the lines and he was like I sent you two versions. The first version is just like an announcer voiceover type version and then the second version. I really think that up for you and I was like dude. You are the man the absolute man and obviously I've used them and if you listen I mean if you guys have been listening long enough you know that the Howard finkel lines when I rebranded the podcast not sam wrestling and I was sitting there going like wow I wanNA rebrand the podcast. Obviously all the imaging which is our word for the Audio Production. The intro the sweepers all the imaging has to be different because all the imaging at the time said. Sam Wrestling podcast. I wanted to call it not saying wrestling so I went through with my producer and we got a voice over artist. I'll say to cut the not sam wrestling parts and let's just hack up and at the time You know I don't think that I think was doing a lot of voice stuff anymore. Because his health wasn't in the greatest place in the world so I was like well. I'm not I can't I can't let go of this him of his voice on this on these interests like this. It's more almost more valuable to me to have his voice on than my entire vision for rebranding it and so we went in and we just cut up all the stuff that he had given me. I just took out everything that said Sam Roberts wrestling podcast and figured out. How did just make it work into the new production? And I'm so glad that I did because to me. I mean it still no matter what I do no matter how long I've been doing this. Show that voice on the front of this show to me that puts this show in a in a class in and of itself and then I jumped on the Mike and Somehow over the course of forty five to ninety minutes to ruin the whole thing for everybody but at the beginning of this show you go. Oh this is a big deal and that has nothing to do with me. That's because Howard Finkel is the one saying here's the show So like and I would add. I mean I told him every time I saw him dude. I'm still using that. Thank you so much for doing that. It means the world to me. Thank you so much for doing that. And I'm glad that I did. I saw him last. I I feel like it was re Wrestlemainia last year but it could have been summer slim in Brooklyn but I feel like it was last year's Wrestlemainia and it was the first time I'd seen him in quite a while and He was in a wheelchair at the time but he was just out saying hi to everybody and clearly just elated to be a part of the scene and just just elated to be in the mix to see everybody to be a part of the show. Even if he wasn't on the show I mean go back and look it at at the survivor series when Madison Square Garden. That was the show when the rock came back to team with Johnson against R. Truth in them is that was the C. N. punk versus Alburto del Rio Championship match and Alberto had a Rodriguez air to be his personal ring. Introduction guy and see 'em punk kind of as a goof on that brought out the thing and you can hear me and and it's different as in Madison Square Garden. That is the thinks home when the think came out at Madison Square Garden. I mean the fans would not let him start his ring introduction. They were cheering so hard. everybody was so happy to see him. I mean I remember for the longest time. He would the beginning of wrestlemanias that he could be the one person that was there on every Wrestlemainia if my memory serves me correctly for a long time he was billed as the first employee of wwe. Any made it all the way through his life. So you know we found out he passed away he was sixty nine years old as much an icon as anybody can possibly be in this world wrestling and I am I part on a personal level. I'm so lucky to have you know. Gotten to be in contact with him at all to have him have touched my life at all but on a much bigger level where all lucky that forever. We've got his stamp on so much of the wrestling believe got in front of us on the WW network everywhere else so rest in peace to Howard finkel man and I see already in the in the in the discord room grim reaper. He's the new. Wwe champion Yemen. Just amazing just amazing so rest in peace to Howard Finkel and I would never do bad. Howard finkel impressions for any reason other than this is the best Howard finkel impression. Luke gallows he told the story here actually of when of of when he was doing how shows and Howard finkel called him up to tell him he was gonna be wrestling came but he did it in the Howard finkel voice and never knew if that's just. His voice was doing his goof but it was really really funny so go find Luke Gallows Doing Howard finkel impressions it will. It'll bring a smile to your face. I mean speaking of Luke. Gallows the real reason that We're doing a podcast today. Making it public for everybody was because yesterday was black. Wednesday for shore for the wwe a historic amount of releases from the wwe in response to what's going on with corona and covered nineteen and so many businesses struggling. Look you know I don't this. Podcast is is never been about getting into the business of things because this isn't a business. Podcast is a wrestling podcast. Wwe's in this place. Where I think more than any of US know you know we know that that Vince McMahon and president trump? We know they speak right. We know that Vince. Mcmahon is one of the people who President trump is putting on a committee to help them restart the economy. That would lead me to believe that. Vince McMahon and the people who are talking to the president are aware that we might not be opening arenas backup anytime soon that maybe the estimate of when we get back into arenas are not quite as good as we thought they would be you know and I think that the the the WWe is looking at what they're doing and looking at the potential long term of the short term future meaning. We don't need to just set ourselves up to be able to function for a month. We need to be able to set ourselves up to be able to function for a lot more than that Unfortunately in that quest a lot and I mean a lot of talented people were let go released and furloughed from WWe. Yesterday and I wouldn't be surprised if there's more today you know I i. I was kind of trying to wait before I did a podcast to win. I think that everybody who's going to get released has been released but I do worry. That no annex t names were brought up. I mean I mean a very small amount of. Nfl teams were brought up yesterday and they weren't even really brought up. Officially they were brought up on those people's own social media accounts so. I do worry that there could be more releases in that department today. I have no idea. I've been staying far under the radar as I can with all that stuff But I have been reaching out to all my my friends or many of my friends who work there and it was to me before all the talent started to get announced when they just announced their first five or whatever. That's when I was like reaching out to people and just being like hey just so you know I'm thinking about you and Baba and I could not believe the amount of talented behind the scenes. People that were being let go or furloughed furloughed just means that I mean depending on how they're doing it sometimes people keep their benefits. Sometimes they don't but it basically means that we're going to let you go but you are still tethered to the job in a good way meaning once things get better. We're not gonNA fill somebody in. We're not gonNA replace you so should things get better will put you back into your position if that's something you want. That's my understanding of it anyway. So that is something to keep in mind. But there's so many first of all the list of wrestlers that were released shocking to me because the amount of talent and passion. That's on this list. The amount of people on this list that deeply deeply care about wrestling in all forms. I mean. There's many people on this list that I look at people that I would imagine would be involved in the wrestling business forever that that can grow with the WWe system. I think the unfortunate thing is the wwe system in the short term has changed. You know you also have to keep in mind that the WWe brought in a ton of talent part of that You know was theoretically because of competition. And they didn't want people leaving the company and so they would just keep them under contract but the other part of that was Moving to Fox in October. That's why they started bringing in a ton of new producers they started signing talent just like when they reach rebranded the draft several years ago. That's when they brought back gender Mahal and Curt Hawkins and Shelton. Benjamin same thing happened here Just in October With the idea being that you'd have two very separate brands and two very separate crews and so now you're left in a position where you're not travelling at all and all you're left with is a crew that legally has to be a skeleton crew accrued must be a bare bones crew with a fraction of the revenue streams that you once had Not traveling at all so I think that what happened is the landscape has changed so much since October that the WWe was forced to downsize at least temporary. And that's what I'm hoping man. You know I was really annoyed. There were so many people that were on twitter going like well. It's not that big of a deal because they are going to go to a w and it's like what are you talking about? Eight of us in the exact same situation. Eighty W is not running shows in front of audiences. Aws revenue streams are being cut off as well first of all. They pre taped a month of shows or so. I think so. It's not like they're going to hire somebody and bring him on. Tv next week. Second of all I would imagine the fact that they're experiencing this the same way everybody else is experiencing this. They're not going to sit there and hire twenty wrestlers right now. You know what I'm saying like. They're not they're not going to. Aws NOT GONNA go on a hiring binge right now because no company is going to go on hiring pinch inside or outside the wrestling industry. You've got AWA running television shows in empty arenas many pre-taped you've got. Wwe downsizing and other than that new Japan's not running ring of honor's not running and Mel ws not running. None of the indies are running so the reality is that you have to be sympathetic to the fact and just realized this is just bad news. At the moment you got a bunch of guys and girls that are in their houses right now not sure of what the next step is. GonNa be and they don't have an immediate response to it. They can get up a pro wrestling teashop starter YouTube channel. Start a podcast stuff. They can do from their houses but they can't do what they do right now. And that's that's the part that's so scary. That's the part. That's so sad for so many of these people You know I I heard some people talking about You know why don't they release bigger names? Nearly I too want somebody to lose their jobs so somebody else does. And I don't think it's the most constructive thing in the world. You know what I mean. We can just hope that. The wrestling industry gets healthy again. Because I think this is way more about all these individuals for me like I'm thinking about is these individuals so that's kind of what I wanted to do is go through the people that are either furloughed or or unemployed right now. I mean they're all employed right now but they're either furloughed furloughed or released are laid off or you know. I don't really know because who knows what we said to each person again. I think even the people that were released if they want to. When things get back to normal you would hope there will be spots for a lot of these people. I hope but I mean just a tremendous amount of producers According to PW insider over at the performance Santo Performance Center Kendo as Beth Assay over the performance center Kendo Kashin Ace steel and Serena Deeb according to pw insider were all let go of course Kendo Kashin Javanese superstar a steel Probably best known FOR BEING ONE OF CNN. Punks trainers And being a friend of his and Serena Deeb of course also with a C. N. punk connection. We know her as a performer. Best For her work in the straight edge society. She shaved her head and everything but She's not so much in the performance center since being there Over on the main roster Hurricane Lance Storm Billy Kidman. Irs released on tax day of all days fit Finlay Pat Buck Davar Scott Armstrong and Sarah stock all of them. I mean just ultra talented people. Lance storm had only been there for a couple of months. I think Billy Kidman's been there for a long long time and Billy Kidman. I mean they're all super talented producers. I don't want a single anybody. A Billy Kidman just a super talent so many of the women credit fit. Finlay for so much. He's been working with the women for a long time now and I mean you just went on twitter yesterday and you could see how much so many in that women's value fit Finlay and helping turn them in to the wrestlers that they've become payback is. Pat Buck is somebody that I am not worried about in the slightest. We've had I mean you guys know. Pat Buck is a great friend of the show is a friend of mine personally and like when you talk about somebody who's got a love of the professional wrestling industry and somebody who come hell or high water is going to figure out how to make it work for them. That's Pat Bach. This is not the first time that PAT. Buck has been close to a dream job. And then have it not work out. Payback actually had a dream job. This time and I know you he was. He was doing a lot over there. I think he's doing a lot more than you guys even realize he was on tv all the time but beyond that as a producer. But beyond that I mean the amount of input that he had in as much as he did. It was a lot and he deserves to. I mean he's he's a smart guy. He went in and created wrestle pro which is a big independent company. Here on the East Coast He and Curt Hawkins are behind creative. Pro- one of the best wrestling schools have not the best wrestling school on the East Coast That has Spots in Long Island and New Jersey Pat Buck knows how to survive in the wrestling business. That said I mean I think he's got a tremendous amount to contribute to. Wwe So hopefully he'll be back. I mean you could say that but everybody. Dari incredible Scott Armstrong. I Love Scott Armstrong. Irs Lance Storm Hurricane. You know hurricane is a guy who just a smile on his face no matter what he was working a lot with the Kabuki warriors. I believe he's done a lot too and he's got a great mind. There's another guy is just such a passion. All these guys have such a passion for professional wrestling that you're these these. This is the energy that you need around the product. So I'm really hoping for the best for all those producers As far as the annex t names I am not terribly familiar with. Mj Jenkins or Alexander Jaksic Who apparently were both released? I am very familiar with interviewer Deci- a Williams Russell and flow. I believe is the name that he went. Of course Probably most famously got to wrap Adam Cole to the ring during takeover but had since become a full-fledged member he was originally brought in I think is kind of Just somebody who's going to help produce digital content and then became a full fledged member of the broadcast team. He's doing interviews on annex t doing any of us on the Youtube Channel. He's also becoming a member of the annex. Uk broadcast team. So I I would imagine that. That was going to be a temporary one to. I really hope it is But Yeah I mean you talk about a kid. Living his dream At some point I'd like to really talk to him on the podcast just about his journey to getting to wwe not necessarily about not being wwe. Because I think he'll be back but about his journey to get there and who he is and everything just because I think it's a it's an interesting story And somebody that. I've been an advocate for for a long time Deanna paraiso released according to herself on twitter Who you know. This is a person who will be successful interesting ring again. This is a person who there would be no doubt if wrestling were running. Right now would already have her. Calendar booked up. But that's the problem. I have no doubt that Diana Peraza will be successful again in a wrestling ring. I just WANNA know when we'll be able to get a wrestling ring up again. You know what I mean we go over to the list of main roster superstars that were released and honestly as we're recording this podcast. I'm checking my twitter account. just to see If if there's more names being announced I just I went so yesterday morning I went on I went over my My mattel section of the Nazi cave down here and I was reorganizing. My wrestling figures and I had a section of figures that was the producers. So like my irs figure my fit finlay figure like all those figures I kept in one section of the shelf as producers and I had just made the decision. You know what I'm going to take them off the active roster shelf and I'm going to put their characters with where they should all be a chronologically because I have a show for the nineties show for the attitude era. You know all that stuff a couple of hours later. They all get fired. And I'm like what that's the last time. I reorganized my wrestling figures. That's for sure. On the list of wrestlers. The was it was technically a producer. He had been sort of Morphing into that behind the scenes role of producer but Kurt Angle was released from WWe Which I you know. I don't know Allie was producer. I'm assuming he was pretty good. Since he's got a pretty good brain for pro wrestling. He took to it like a like a duck to water so or a fish to water but ducts like water to So yeah I mean if not I you know I wherever he goes. He's one of those guys that can show up to literally any promotion and and be extremely impactful. You know be even if he's not wrestling and who knows maybe I'll pull out another match but if you were shopping. Eighty W ring of honor and new Japan impact. Any of these places It would be a big deal and it would be a good look for any company to have Kurt Angle. So we get to the active roster wrestlers and there are some surprises on here and not surprises on here and that's no disrespect to anybody We'll go down the list. Primo and APP ICHO were released Which I don't think it was a huge shock only because they weren't being Used they were kind of just There in the bullpen. So not a huge shock with Primo and epoch. Oh interesting that the revival was released only a week before this and you wonder if they were like. Oh maybe we can release a couple of guys and they realized it was gonNA have to be a lot more than that one that I'm A. I'm pretty bummed out about to tell you the truth. Is Leo Rush I've been a fan of Leo rushes since his working. Cw I was in the building for his last match with George. Nella the ladder match where I believe he knows sold They piledriver off the ladder or something like that and got the Internet all mad but I'm a big Fan of Leo Rashi. Certainly had an up and down relationship it seemed with wwe. I thought the stuff that he did with Lashley was great. I was actually always a fan of Lashley showing his but to the audience. I think the Leo Rush. Lashley stuff is probably the best stuff that Lashley's done with this run in. Wwe And I always thought that that ended prematurely. But that ended with with Leo Rush. I guess being in the Doghouse or having some trouble or whatever it was with wwe he came back and when he came back to annex T it was really cool to see the fan reception for him And it was really cool. It seemed like you know. Just a refresher. He was onto a five live. He went to the main roster disappeared for a while. When he came back he came back when annex t came to USA. And I it seemed like it was going to be a big part of it. You know when when he invaded smackdown before survivor series. He was front and center on that tank He was cruiser. Nfc cruiserweight champion. It was a little surprising that he wasn't in the tournament. You know we talked about that on Monday show but the world has changed again since Monday. So you know. I don't really know what happened there. But he had been cutting promos and stuff on the Internet About the fact that he wasn't in the tournament and everything I look you know I. Hopefully oh rush is still passionate about wrestling. And he's going to continue to wrestle because I think he's great you know. I really think he's great. I think he has so much to offer and he's already done a lot and he's super young. Was Twenty four twenty five year old piece of goal so yeah. I really hope that that as soon as wrestling is back Leo Russia's right back there wrestling aiden English surprise me and I think he's on this list because he must have still had a wrestler contract on an announcer contract. Because I didn't hear any other announcers being like oh but yet anyway. Who knows can't let me go. I worked for free. I'm just there one guy likes me. I read it on the Internet Aiden English aiden English. Was You know to me first of all I always liked when he when you went through that thing Where he started wearing tights with paintings on them. I thought that was brilliant but Eight English did an amazing thing. Aiden English was was locked in to a Gimmick. He was locked into a partner. The vaudevillians remember the Vaudevillians with Simon. Gotch so when Gosh was released aiden wasn't and that left him in a very weird place because the WWe audience had only gotten to know him as part of that team and usually and it's not like they were looking at this team going with that. One Sean and that one's Marty and I can't wait till they split up. It was no if you liked the team. You like the team. If you didn't like the team you didn't like the team but you weren't necessarily waiting for them to split up. It was a very married act and so when they split up it put him in a very precarious spot. Now he's got reintroduce himself and have the audience get to know him as a singles performer. And it was rousseff day that really brought him to that level that he needed to go it was it was reuss day and I believe the Reuss have day would not have been nearly as popular as it was. Had it not been for eight English singing day when Rousseff came to the ring you know? I think that that he was such a valuable part. Of what made rousseff day so special and even if Rousseau Day never achieved what could have an my opinion and wwe even have Russe day should have been so much more. It's still one of those things that nobody's ever GonNa Forget it. Still one of those things that wrestlemainia thirty four in New Orleans before anything was even going on in the ring there was a stadium full of people the superdome full of people chanting Rousseff Day. That never goes away. That's a memory that lasts forever and a lot of that is because of an English and he was able to get that done after having this career in a tag team that he was married to which is amazing. He went on after that. After the kind of Rousseff Day Act separated. He was like okay. Now I'm on this island again. What am I going to do next? And he took up commentary and he was really good at it and people really liked him at it too. He was the color commentator for two zero five live. I think I was Vic Joseph then would I think most recently I know with John Quavo. But I don't know if there's a little Tom Phillips mixed in there in the meantime inbetween time or not. But I mean he's really developed into a hell of talent in commentary and and I think what's great about him and commentary is he didn't come across as a wrestler who was commentating. He seemed like he jumped into the commentary world with both feet and I think that's something that not. Everybody has the guts to do but his ability to reinvent themselves over and over again. You know that. That's what makes survivors. I think in wrestling. So you know another one that I hope is back but but a super talent and good guy nonetheless I would say Mike. Maria canals not the biggest surprises ever. I don't know what it was about Mike and Maria. I kind of always enjoyed the Mike and Maria canals. The fact that Maria was the one that was in charge he took her name. You know he was doubting. I think it got a little crazy. I think it went a little bit too extreme when it was like. You know somebody else's the father of your kid. I like him better because his penis is bigger than yours. Type of stuff you know I always I was like where is this going like? How is this going to help anybody in the long term but they had been on? Tv In a while and when they were just wasn't probably what it could have been You always wonder if they'd gone to annex t I would that have been better I guess the legacy of Mike and Maria will probably be that Maria announced was the first pregnant champion in the history of. Wwe was she won the twenty four seven championship. Wa- pregnant. So that's a big deal of course Moore. Marie has got more of a legacy than that and wwe because Maria was wwe for such a long time before. Mike Got There but in terms of them as a package. I think that'll probably be the legacy of that package no way. Jose is one that you know. I mean lovable fun. Fun Acting Annex T. But I think if there's any takeaway it's the like nobody wants the kind of feel good party guy. You know what I mean. We learned that with What's his name? The South African Guy. How am I blanking on his name? Right now. Leo Kruger you know. I'm talking about and no way Jose the same thing but a but but a fun act nonetheless Mike. Yoda surprised me. I hate when news drops that it somebody that I grew up with. You know. We're talking about the finger earlier but Mike. Iota is a guy who has been a referee. I think as long as any of us have been watching you know. I hated finding out that Jim Johnson wasn't the theme Guy Anymore. That the the Brooklyn brawler wasn't working there anymore that The timekeeper wasn't working there anymore. I mean Earl Hafner was probably the first one but Mike. Yoda really surprised me because he was the last kind of legacy referee guy there and and yeah I mean you know. I think that he's just when you see his face. You know he would pop up in the undertaker matches and whatnot but Yeah icon referee for sure to say the least Sarah Logan going. You Know I. I don't know why she was so far. The only Female on the main roster to get released I always. I always thought it was really good. I remember when the May young classic happened. There were a lot of people whose opinions that I really respected. Jim Ross was one of them who said Really Nice things about Sarah Logan. I remember interviewing Charlotte on this podcast. And she didn't remember her name at first but she said that she saw the May young classic and wanted to wrestle. What was your name? What was your name and it was Sarah Logan. You know I think she came in with a world of potential the riot squad. I think hit in a big way and yeah I mean I still think she's got stuff to offer and I think that she will make any women's division and that's a I think like the wwe has women's wrestling on lock right. Now there's no place in the world with a better women's division than Annex T and I don't think there's anyplace besides annex t with a better women's division than Ron smackdown so you know whether it's ring of honor eight w the indies anywhere else. Sarah Logan's GonNa be just fine because there is a need for really good experienced female talent because that's that's not. Let's not take that for granted. Doesn't that many people who have experienced wrestling in front of a global audience in front of Arenas and in front of stadiums and Sarah Logan has done that? All these people have done that. So you know. I think that that's something to definitely keep in mind. That adds a ton of value. All these people but Sarah Logan is one who we will see. As soon as the wrestling rings are put up again Rowen getting released. It wasn't a I guess. It wasn't the biggest surprise based on what's been going on with row in but it was a huge surprise based on what was going on with Roman like a few months ago he'd been promoted before the draft to like main event level. He's literally main eventing shows with Roman reigns he was he was Daniel. Bryan's right hand guy. He was like this. We found this new niche for himself. And then you know the the only good thing is I don't think he anybody will remember him for the spider thing. You know what I mean. I don't think that will be the thing that we forget. And I think that Rowan's legacy will be it'll be why it's it'll be the bludgeoned brothers and then it'll be the Daniel Bryan Pairing. That ended up with him in a in a main event spot. And that's how we'll remember Eric Rowan. Assume unless he comes back and creates even more with his legacy. But I wouldn't be shocked. I mean man Harper and row and Duale together. I think people would be pretty excited to see Harper and Rowan. Reuniting Eric Young was released and Eric Young is another surprise. Because Eric Young as a guy you know who really in a time when Tina was not good at creating their own stars from scratch Eric Young was created from scratch for the most part and TNA and really rose you know. I think he made sanity something. That was very popular in annex t and just it just didn't sanity never clicked with people and I don't know which people but it never clicked with people on the main roster You know it's and it's a real shame. It's a real shame. Eric Young is a guy who's got his wrestling brain in his head like he wrestling his what. He knows he's hilarious. He's able to come up with a super creative stuff and I feel like that is what is going to be the next chapter in his career you know he might have a year or two left wrestling. Who knows but I do think that he's GonNa have a lot to contribute behind the scenes in wrestling and I felt like that's why he was still in. Wwe I felt like he would be there to kind of help guys as they came up in the wrestling ring. And then you know before too long kind of transition to a behind the scenes role there in wwe. But I still think by the way he'll end up there we start getting into the real real. Bummer is now we start getting into the these are all these one two three four five ax to them tag teams. I mean. I don't know anybody who wasn't bummed out by these heath slater. I mean you talk about being beloved. He's slater it is hard to hear about a guy getting released. When his gimmick is? I need this job. Got Kids because that says it all doesn't it? I think the one saving grace of He's slater being released is that the only reason he slater is being released as to fulfill. The prophecy is to fulfill the prophecy of the three. All of the three man band gender Mahal got released from WWe. He got himself into shape. He came back a new man. He became the WWe champion drew. Mcintyre got released from WWe. He got himself in shape. He came back a new man he became the WWe champion. There's only one thing left for. He slater to do spend the next couple years getting himself in shape becoming a new man. Get your ass back the wwe and get that WWe championship. He's get that wwe title. You got this. I want to see he'd show up and PWG. I WANNA see Heath do an indie run like nobody's ever seen. I WANNA see heats later. Become a new person. I want to see heath later. Get all the indy buzz that there is to get. I don't WanNa see he'd go to a W I don't WanNa see him. I mean he could pop into ring of honor but I don't WanNa see him in any promotion fulltime I want. He's slated to go on the indie run of the century. And get that just do. He's got so much fan support that is just bubbling under the surface. Get out there and get it heath. Come back and become the champion. The good brothers let go big. Algae Luke gallows and Carleen Anderson now. They've already set up. Podcast talking shop so I think they are going to jump right into that but you know what I mean gallows and Anderson. They kind of were ready to go. I think the last time that their contracts came up but the wwe offered him just a ton of money life changing money and they said yeah we use that life changing money and they use that money and they changed their lives. I think now. Now you're at a point. Where Luke gallows and Carleen Anderson have made their money and you know what that means. They are now in a position where they can go out and do whatever they want. And that's exactly what I WANNA see them. Do I want to see them? Go Out and do whatever they want. Because I feel like we're GONNA get they're going to set the world on fire we're GONNA get tidal wave of debaucherous creativity from gallows Anderson and it'll be uncontrollable but it'll be undeniable. And it's going to be whatever they want it to be. Because now can hawkins and Ryder Shock. First of all up props Zack Ryder for immediately. Putting out a shirt that says not. They're still here was his catchphrase for so long. Look we've had our podcast wars in the wrestling figure world we are enemies however when you talk about two guys living their dream when you is a wrestling fan think how cool would it be if I grew up the biggest wrestling fan in the world and then I got to become a wrestler myself. There is nobody to live vicariously through more than Hawkins and Ryder and their contributions to wwe are both different. And I think both different than people even realize first of all. I hope Mattel still going to put out that edge heads pack with edge and the Hawkins and Ryder heads. I hope they're still GONNA put out. That edge has pack but dude first of all you got Hawkins who we've talked about it when he was on the podcast before who happens to be just a great wrestler and has been used in that respect you remember when he was injured and he was out for a while he actually did Transition into a producer role for a little while Just because he couldn't wrestle But this is the guy it was Hawkins who along with Curtis Axel trained with the Rock in the ring. Prepping the rock for his comeback. Hawkins has become a young grizzled veteran in his own right. And then you talk about Zack. Ryder and the legacy is at rider. Is the Internet Championship? And if you didn't live through that I don't think you can appreciate it as much as you should. You know I mean. I think that that you look now. And the idea of wrestlers entrepreneurs and the idea of wrestlers having their own youtube channels and podcasts. And everything like that. It seems like old hat. But I mean Zack. Ryder started being the elite. Yeah that would the Z. True Long Island story was the beginning of wrestlers outside of a company infiltrating that Youtube world. As a matter of fact. I'll bet the traction did the Z. True Long Island Story Got Zack. Ryder's Youtube show it changed. Wwe's whole perception of using youtube and now youtube is a is a priority for them they one of the biggest channels on Youtube and I think that the exact rider deserves a lot of credit for that. I think that greater deserves a lot of credit for a lot of wrestlers using youtube and if those wrestlers themselves were not influenced by. Zack Ryder. The people that they were influenced were influenced by Zack. Ryder all the tongue in cheek stuff. Zack Ryder trying to get over a fence. Zach what are you doing? And he just looked at the camera and said I'm trying to get over all that stuff. People weren't really doing before Ryder did it And then they transition their passion for collecting action figures into a podcast created this whole community behind it. I mean you know. I think it's GonNa be really interesting. Because when Hawkins got released the first time rider stayed and Hawkins figured out how to make a living in Wrestling Hawkins and Pat Buck became a pretty lethal combination. I feel like you had rider to the mix you've now got pat buck. Curt Hawkins Zack Ryder Horns Waddell. You've got the whole clique. They're ready to adjust create a storm. And I think it will. I think it'll happen. You know I think it'd be really cool to see Hawkins and Ryder in a non. Wwe position and I hope that that happens. Pike has gonNA get wild there. I think that by the way you know. I don't want to rub salt in any wounds but I think that this might leave me. Is the only member left of the elite squad and I just an official member of the elite squad like two weeks ago? But I think that I'm all that's left now on the elite squad so I'm GONNA have to contact bill mckean that but Yeah Yeah I think that I think that Hawkins and Ryder Hawkins and they already have pro wrestling. Tease shirt stores up. They're both already enterprising entrepreneurial guys they both have this ridiculous passion for wrestling so Yeah it's GonNa get real interesting real real quick by the way But said bummer. You know here's the thing you don't ever want you love seeing. Maybe it's the way I present myself but I say you love seeing people's dreams come true and getting to live vicariously through them but for some reason. Nobody loves me seeing. Nobody loves seeing me. Get my dream come true. Everybody hates it. But you never want to see the dream. And for those people because you're living vicariously through them but you don't realize is there's a whole other side of it there's a whole other world outside of the wwe that maybe you don't even think about that. You're now going to be able to see these guys lived through fruitfully And I really think that they will drag maverick. That's another one who I was literally just talking about on Monday about being in the cruiserweight title tournament and how his passion for wrestling is like nobody. I've ever seen let me tell you story about drake. Maverick I WANNA say it was summer slam because I think it was Montreal. He knew a hole in the wall bar as myself. It was. Drake Maverick is Vick Joseph. I remember if anybody else's they're not but while we're sitting there were not at work. No wrestling's around we're just at this bar. Vic Joseph Goes. Hey Drake can you name? Every wrestlemainia main event in history and drake just looks at him. Like what are you an amateur? And he just sits there any names from one to thirty five every WRESTLEMAINIA MAIN EVENT. And then vic goes yeah. But you can't do that. Wwe Champions he names all of them. He is a walking wrestling encyclopedia. And He loves every ounce of the wrestling business. If you guys were lucky enough to be there live let me. I'm GonNa tell you. What a good guy. Drake Maverick is the last time I did. A live. Show is all the way back in last September and this is one of the reasons why I hate doing live shows because they're really hard to put together. I love doing the show itself but I hate putting them together because I have to do it all myself. I had our truth booked for that show and the WWE was coming to town the next day they were doing raw in Brooklyn I was in Manhattan at Caroline's The Sunday before and it was. You know we're building and is my birthday so I had mark Henry. I'd Kathy Kelly and I had our truth in my head and I confirmed like literally I WANNA say. It was Saturday morning when I confirm with truth and he went. Oh my God. I'm so sorry dude I forgot but wwe doesn't have me on the road. I'm not going to be in New York Fuck. I said I'm out of guest. I haven't really advertised. I didn't advertise. That are truth is going to be there but I wanted. I started and I go. I mean it's a long shot but I texted drake maverick because drake and I just hate dragging I gotten together. We got to know each other. Well we knew each other and TNA because we both friends with Josh Matthews. And that's when I first met him when I came out to hang out with Josh Matthews at a show and Josh was hang out with spot at the time and we just got to talking and we got friendly I spent more time with Drake Maverick he'd come in. That's how much he loves this stuff. He lived in Orlando. They asked me to come out to Orlando to do some commentary training and and because I'd never done it before and they just asked drake to come out and do it with me because it would. Tom Phillips was there they were bringing me out for it and they were like what we want him to practice with three people so drake just came out. And he's like yeah. Sure I'll do it if you need me. And he just came out and did it. I was like that's that's amazing as jaded people as they are there are the like. Yeah cool let's do it and that's where you know. We got a little bit more friendly and I texted him the day before that show at Caroline's and has came in. Are you going to be in town? Yom Shooting except for the twenty four seven championship as like. Would you want to do this? Live show twenty four hours notice. He was like cool. I'll be there. Sounds good and he was amazing. He told all these great stories. Anybody that was there. He was like such a highlight. He told the story of the twenty four seven championship wedding. He told he told all these great stories and just awesome and he wasn't even supposed to be there. You know the fact that he was there. Any talk about his passion. He talked about the fact that like you know if he was not wrestlemainia he didn't complain. He took it as a notice that okay. I need to work harder. 'cause I need to get their next year? And that's that was attitude with everything. You're drake maverick. Is Dude. He cut he put that video out. Now you know when it was announced that he was released tears in his eyes. Emotional dream job also needs to provide for his family any announced that he was still going to be able to be allowed to compete in the cruiserweight round. Robin Tournament. Dude that was a promo that was a Promo. He was cutting okay and the fact that he realized okay. They're going to give me a couple more matches. I need the world to support me going into this thing any and it was from the heart and it was real and he was talking about his feelings but it was a promo any put it out there and I mean I don't know anybody. That's not gonna be cheering every single thing. This guy does in the cruiserweight tournament. And you know why. He did that because he gets it because he just gets wrestling because it's just wrestling i. How do I turn a negative into a positive? And he knew even as emotional as he was in that video and that was real he knew how to turn a negative into a positive and he did it. And he's going to keep doing that. This is a guy who you look at him. You're like no. I don't think it's GonNa be you and he goes. Oh really I'm GonNa make sure it's me. And he goes out and he make sure it's him. I can't wait to see what he does next. And I wouldn't I will. I believe he'll be back in. Wwe and then. Finally one of the biggest surprises was the release of Roussev. The biggest surprise in the sense that there's such fan love for this guy but maybe not the biggest surprise in the sense that he has hinted on twitter in the past about not being particularly happy with where he's at. Look I think rousseff is in the dropped? The ball category Rousseff is a guy who multiple times. He's had the opportunity to be at another level. He drove a tank into Wrestlemainia. I don't know if you heard but you know I mean it wasn't the same coming off of Wrestlemainia. Thirty one. He built up. Seem again during rousseff day and it was just never. There's just so much rousseff gets built and built and built in as never quite fully capitalized on and I have no idea why that is. You know we can speculate all we want but I have no idea why that is. He's in a position now where he is in charge of his destiny. It's up to him to capitalize on it and I one hundred percent believe that he will. I think that this guy you watch them on total divas you want him in the rain you can watch them on total divas. He CAN BE A. He'll he could be a good guy. He can be menacing. He can be entertaining. He can be funny. He can be dangerous. It can be whatever you wanted to. B.'s rousseff is rousseff day and And I think that that's going to continue. And that's going to continue going forward. All RIGHT GUYS. I appreciate you guys being here. Hopefully we'll get in patriotic exclusive podcast Patriot dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling Before Monday and it will have a little bit better news. I was thinking about doing a fantasy draft now that we have all these free agents. I was thinking about what happens if I started my own promotion. Where would I go with all this new talent on the market? Maybe I'll do that as a Patriot exclusive and then hopefully Monday. We can get into some better news. Let's try not to be bummed out. Let's watch some wrestling Timothy Thatcher's in an X T. It's not all bad news. Let wrestling continue to be an escape. Don't allow it to be the bummer. That is fighting so hard to be all right guys. We will see you if you're on patriots over the weekend if you're not on Monday for more not San wrestling thanks. Everybody thanks for listening. Follow at not sale on twitter instagram facebook and you to rate review subscribe. This has been not sam wrestling.

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LADS#94 - Saturday Special featuring Jay and Kelly from the Unrelegated Podcast

Loud Americans Discussing Soccer

44:27 min | 3 years ago

LADS#94 - Saturday Special featuring Jay and Kelly from the Unrelegated Podcast

"Oh. No, no. No. This thing of our guys walking into a lot Americans guessing soccer, podcast or lads podcast. This podcast is brought to you by stadium. Seen dot TV. The best place to find the best parking, restaurants and bars for all your favorite sporting events. MLS is going on right now we got some playoffs. Unfortunately, Philadelphia union are gone. But that's okay. That's fine. Today. I am very pleased honored do have J in Kelly from the unregulated podcast. The Atlanta United f c podcast so Jane Kelly. How are you guys doing? I'm doing great. Thanks, great. So if you guys wanna do real quickly tell the people where they can find your podcasts and talk a little bit about working. We listen. Where can we got social media and stuff? Yeah. So on relegated was started. In March of this year. Kellyanne I had previously wore done another podcast in the Atlanta United community and got together decided to do our own thing. We cover mainly Elaine night, but we travel around quite a bit in and outside of Atlanta to various different watch parties record live in bars in pubs and get capture reactions of people before and after games, including bring on different night personalities. Journalists is recently is of Cardenas from the. You know, all all sorts of different people, and you can follow us on. Unreal. AT L dot com is the website. But unreal AT L is also our username on Twitter Instagram, and you can find us on Facebook as well. All right wicked. Okay. All right. I'm glad you can firm that I wasn't sure. All right. Thank you. Okay. So let me get a little background information about you guys. You said you had a previous podcast. But would you guys got you into soccer or you guys soccer football guys? So I I started playing soccer when I was younger and sort of play that for a little bit and then change sports, and then got back into it around a college because I was bored in the library and decided to start watching the Bundesliga, and and you know, Premier League, and I ended up spending most of my time in the library watching soccer instead of studying, so that's sort of what got me back into it. And then Atlanta United came out. Just sort of was the perfect fit in town to sort of start getting my finally back into MLS. All right J. Go ahead. Sorry. Sure. So I played you know, like. I think a lot of Americans as we know the numbers pretty big as as a kid played up through say middle school and even a little bit of trouble soccer when I was younger and had a number of different ankle injuries. And things like that where it slowdown my path in terms of playing and I moved around a lot as a kid as well. So that sort of interrupted that lifestyle, but in terms of following soccer. I didn't get back into it until college either. And I had a roommate who is a huge arsenal fan and would have streams of arsenal. I think actually the first arsenal match. I think I actually saw was a chess recording. My. You know that this guy had right ethic games had just started to Pierce the market in the US. So I started to to really tune in fall in love with a specific players Tyrian re Patrick Vieira, and those narratives of the invincibles and and actually traveled overseas to London after move to Atlanta had the pleasure of meeting some ex pats from London and working for one who is an arsenal season ticket holder. So that just cemented that path as well. All the way up until when it entered a Major League Soccer. Okay. Well, I'm very to have you on the podcast for a couple reasons because we hear lads, you know, I'm going to be honest. I'm not like the biggest molest guy not because I just you know, we just try and cover as much Premier League and other world soccer going on. And it's very un-american me. I'm sorry. But, you know, this is why we have you guys on our all our like, you know, people who listened to the podcast or like why guys you talk, Melissa? I don't like because I'm an idiot. Like, I don't. Know anything about MLS. That's why I wanna have you guys on. So tell me a little bit about Linda United f c I understand. This is your second year. Correct. Of the guys are a what's the word new club? Or what's what's the? Expansion. Yes. Thank you. So we were an expansion team last year when we joined MLS in two thousand seventeen this is our second season. So now are technically our expansion team title is has been dropped since that was our first year term. So yeah, we're in our second season we were top of the Eastern Conference away into the last day don't necessarily want to get into specifics of that. But we it's as as a team going from expansion into our our second year. I think we sort of solidified ourselves at now and Jake and correct me if if he disagrees, although I don't think he does that we're sort of the staple now of the way that MLS starting to turn were technically the term for MLS is that were like MLS three point. Oh, and everyone else is still two point. Oh market. So it's just people started looking at Atlanta and the framework and the front office and the way the club is run. And the way that they bring in, you know, young exciting South American players or the way that you know, we bring an interesting coaching choices things like that is sort of being the way the MLS is starting to turn. Yeah. United is unique in that regard is Kelly talked about this idea of MLS Dotto. And so what does that mean? Well, if you think about teams like Seattle, right or that team into the league and really caught fire. You know, they're considered sort of MLS to Dotto, right and these Fanton team moniker. You know, the funny thing is a young league. So that gets tied to anybody who wasn't part of the initial league when it was created. So most teams are expansion team now coming in and we have a couple more coming in Nashville, and then Cincinnati soon as well. So, you know, so it's it's growing Miami. Beckham's new team will come in the next two or three years, although it'd been saying that forever who knows it could be five years from now, but Eleni United. I think is wrote a lot of international attention because they brought in a coach of international standing top Martino who coached Barcelona Argentina new old boys. Brought championships there in the Argentina Salita. So that was part of it bringing Darren Eales who was previously director over it him coming over and becoming the president lane United. And then also just bringing in young South America talent, that's now attracting attention from Europe. You know, where now you see rumors of arsenal Tottenham or West Ham looking at players like Miguel Marrone who brought in for eleven or fifteen million possibly being sold or looked at to be sold for thirty million. So that is a new thing for me. And you're starting to see more young exciting, vibrant, talent, come in from South America pipeline and out even though you still have your Wayne Rooney's LA Times coming in. I think it's changed the the complexion of MLS going forward. And you saw that with just the exciting play that Bob Bradley, brought a coaching Ella. Galaxy and how they put things together, you know, Carlos vela's more of an aging player, you know. He's he's still in comparison to bringing some over from Europe, the still a different model, and they have a lot of us like Rossi who's the youngest EP in in Major League Soccer, and folks that five years ago, probably you would not have seen in Major League Soccer. But you know, probably people that would have been looking to go to Europe or elsewhere. I'm seeing this. Holy coacher change. Like, I say this is like the Eleni United like movement. Right. You guys are putting like the NFL in the hussy. You guys are selling eighty thousand people like don't even say that out loud. You guys are out selling Mercedes Benz stadium. Because that's where you play where the falcons play. Correct, correct. Yeah. And I think I think a lot of the the success of Atlanta United. I didn't mention Benjamin mentioned this when we started talking about sort of the way that became about a lot of it's tribute to Arthur blank. He's a big man in the community and has said it before again that the communities when the biggest things that he wants to focus with any franchise that he owns the falcons and all that good stuff. And I think what Arthur saw because he tried to start getting MLS here years before we even got the bid for Atlanta in the city. He saw the vibrancy of community here. He saw the depth of. The soccer phantom him. Because those are lot of there's a lot of local bars around the city that play the Premier League, you know, every Saturday morning open up extremely early just for and you've got troves of people that come out just for those games to to be part of the community that watches soccer. And I think Arthur solve that in the city, and he saw that that was something that he could tap into. I think the the amount of of fans that we have come to each game and the excitement around the city and very much tribute to him in our office and the way that our our media teens attacks that, but I definitely I myself new soccer big here. I didn't think it would be that big. But I mean, I guess Jay can expand on that. Yeah. I don't think anybody even Arthur blank der Neal's realized how fast this would take off in how big it would be what it was the perfect formula. I think the question gets asked quite often is you know, why? Why is it successful in Atlanta? And it's not elsewhere. And I don't think there's one particular answer. I think one of the answers that you have a rich history of soccer in Atlanta, believe it or not with the chiefs, and you know, who were selling stadiums out twenty thousand people, you know, back in the seventies eighties. You have you know, lot of local and youth in Georgia soccer as big as a whole just look at Andrew Carlton coming up in the as national team Bello, you know, Carlos linguists Kunda, you have a lot of sort of grassroots soccer that has been in Atlanta for a long time. And I think that it's it's a rich environment of transplants where people live in Atlanta now that don't, you know, necessarily have any ties to other Atlanta sports franchises, necessarily in football or basketball. But they don't have a team or didn't have a team that they followed in Major League Soccer because of the. The how young the league is. And that please an opportunity for people to grab onto something and make it their own in Atlanta. And and then they put an exciting product on the field. So when you put something that's exciting. And that gets vibe in the media teams have gone out there and done the is out there, the president going into to the community and actually putting his ear to the pavement and finding out you know, what people up to who the people that should be integrated with groups should be talked to in terms of the soccer community, and and how stir that research go. That's all part of those routes that just I think helped fuel the fire. But I don't think anybody has one answer. I have an answer. I think after a team blues twenty five point lead, at least at least a little sour taste people's mouth. So, you know, I think I I didn't wanna say if you know, people are they were kind of off American football. We should check this other stuff out because. Oh my God. Anyway. For reasons. I was listening to it before this recording one thing is I love your guys chemistry. Unreal. I'm cracking up. The entire time. You guys there's no lake dry air like emptier. You guys are very like, you know, snappy line love, then I also go back to the grass roots thing if you guys are really immersed into the Atlanta United f c coacher you guys talking about going into bars about checking out with the local scene is I I love that. I love Atlanta. I've only been there once I went to a concert. There's called wrecking ball was like a bunch of hardcore and punk bands playing. It was awesome and gonna say big fan of Linda in Georgia because you guys kind of blocked Florida from the rest of the world. So. That also makes me very happy because at places, you know, dumpster fire anyway, moving on to Atlanta United f c feel like we haven't even talked about their play what a season coming in second in the Eastern Conference ending with sixty nine points. Nice. What are your what what was you know, would win two guys anytime? I turn on the TV. I was like drawn to you guys. You played exciting football. And I know you will get into your manager who has recently left. But what what was you know, what was behind this like such an exciting team? Obviously, you have a couple MVP candidates. But would you guys boil it down to? It's it's been a very long season. And last I think Jay creek nevermore about unless as the longest season for soccer right now in the world. So we pretty much, you know, as I I mean, I don't know how long no no how long has has. But we go pretty much from about March before March until December is a season. So it's a lot of games. I think if we're going to trip. Tribute one thing you can't really you have to think about our way for him this season compared to last season, we dominated a away games. There are few that stick out that are still sore sore thumbs ties, but when you think about the way that our defense has been and the tactical switches that we've done formations that we've changed on last year we were trying to move into three five two for a while. And we've for some reason couldn't couldn't get it to work, and then this year, it just sort of been our our home base for not only way games, but any other game that we feel that we needed to have sort of safety net we moved into that three five to. I think also having Darlington Nagy now on our team allows us to have a more fluid midfield that was really an issue last year. But it definitely opens up opportunity to get the ball to Miguel. I mean, definitely is a center and runs his team. I think that that sort of given McGill more free. Them to not sit back as much as he might have last year or. Sort of pass it off to others or tr try to create that space before. Now, I think Nagwa held a lot with that. They want to continue. I don't wanna talk too much. Yeah. And correct. You one thing I doesn't have the longest season in the world and from soccer. I think in terms of other American sports is quite long. I think Brazil has actually like the longest soccer like eleven months long. When you include the preseason, all the cups, and the fact that they participate a couple of tourists, and that's just wrapping up here actually this coming week as well. And speaking of couple of Batori, I think that's part of it as well. As that. There's a philosophy that was built at the lane United around this attacking style for packing brain of soccer fields comes from Tottenham. Right. And that is very much much Tino. Right. Who comes from some of the same schools of thought in terms of of strategy of visa, you know, the Argentine sort of way of playing is embedded into that culture as well. You see that in Atlanta United and then bringing in a coach I talked to Martine. To build upon that philosophy and bring his brand of of of sort of pressing style of fluid a soccer in bringing in young South American talents. Complement some veteran. MLS key veteran players I think that also brings a brand as well. And then you have some luck. Right. You have players like Julian gristle who was brought out of the draft the MLS super draft. Right. This guy a nowhere. He's already twenty four years old the late bloomer coming out of college. He, you know, couldn't make it in the kademi system in Germany and top to Martino spotted this guy. And they picked him like eight in the draft. Nobody knew who this guy was. And now, he's probably the best right wing back and Major League Soccer. And even in our our disappointing loss where we lost the shield, which traditionally people at our fans of Major League Soccer. Most of soccer leagues will call me in championship. Whoever has the most points of the season. We'll mainly soccer. A more traditional playoff format for their MLS Cup, which is the quote unquote champion, but the supporters really separate from MLS crowd funded years ago for a trophy and has their own trophy that they give to teams that have the most points at the end of the season and laying missed out on opportunities losing to Toronto for one in the red bulls ended up clinching that and breaking the season point total record that Toronto had last year since nine points as you said lane tied that now in their second season. But, you know, having that exciting brand of soccer is a big part of it. Having those young South American players that come in and fire things up and having a few important designated players such as Joseph Martinez Miguel on Roan Tito, Viansa, you know, that that people can glue onto that's it's selling merchandise. It's bringing people who are not in Atlanta and bring attention to the team and people will actually turn it on. And maybe the Watchet lane United play. Maybe they won't watch majorly soccer's a hole, but people are watching it land United play soccer when they're playing game on his on television. Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna turn on the Minnesota f c I don't know what their name is. But if I Linda like, I just know it's going to be electrically. You guys like have really just, you know, found lightning in a bottle with your club and going back to your to MVP nominees. That's really excited. I never happened before is like one team has to VP nominees like with Martinez and on it. I think it almost happened last year. But yeah Joseph without injured. But also going into Totta you guys like is a bittersweet losing such an amazing coach to Mexico or how I saw you guys tweeting a lot about it pay your respects, technically, we haven't lost ten yet. He's still with us until the end of the season which hopefully will be the Cup game in December on December ninth. But and it's also not a hundred percent decided or or made official that he's going to Mexico. So it's sort of in the air right now where he is leaving. But yeah, it's it's definitely sad ties. Sarah, I coach, and you're always gonna have that cinnamon feeling and thoughts towards somebody like that. Especially somebody who established the brand of who Atlanta United is on the pitch and sort of how the way our club is run from the inside. I mean, he's done a lot of things within the club with the players with being on the pitch during training from from day to day. Every day to to sort of be there with the players, and and really put his whole effort into it. And you, of course, you're gonna miss somebody like that somebody who is meant a lot to the community somebody meant a lot to the club, and and Wyche bike Jay said is has brought this sort of electrically and this energy to the pitch with the with the brain on soccer that he brought in as Darren said when he was talking about going on a search again for for new coach he's talking about keeping the same sort of things Totta instilled into our club, which is exciting soccer, entertaining soccer, fast and fluid. And and yeah, you're gonna you're gonna miss somebody that that is already brought that and has been here. But it just to me opens up new opportunities to for somebody else to have the reins on their club. And and to see what the difference and our team can be with a different manager, and I've always trusted our front office. And so I don't I don't feel. Anybody that's going to be coming in is going to be driving away from that narrative talk Martino without him. I definitely think that players like McGowan Rhone it's questionable whether a player like that would have come to Atlanta before there was, you know, even a team in existence of before the stadium was finished being built deals had important comment, though when interviewed on the radio talking about Tatas or the perceived importance of Totta in bringing in players, and their alluded to the fact that well, it may not be as much or as reliant on top. Is you may think Tito viata who is a actually now of the Paraguayan Pat passport, and we'll be playing with McGowan homerun for the Paraguayan team, but is tinian born. And he came before there was even a logo before it was just a thought in, you know, a fleeting thought in the air and he put faith in Atlanta United before the team or even. I was even assigned as a coach. So I think the imports Totta for building and bringing some gravitas to an importance to how the team was built in knowing how to build a team and bring bring trophies and those sorts of things was important for getting it lane at off of the ground. But at the same time, I think that him leaving is not going to be a detriment. I think we will still bring in players we already know that we're pretty much endearing his looted to that were, you know, signing a player who is a twenty four twenty five year old mature player in the Super League playing for River Plate right now in the Coppola, Taurus and the lane fans. Are you know, it's it's it's crazy. I don't know any other teams in MLS were fans are tuning in and finding streams of couple of limited Taurus, COPA Sudamericana matches to find an watch potential players that are coming in. Into Eleni night. Like is as you'll Barco who winning penalties, you know in the COPA Sudamericana winning trophies at the age of eighteen before being brought to MLS or PT Martinez. Who's just for the winning goal to bring him to the final where they'll play Boca Juniors, which is coached by by the way, Scarlata who's being looked at as a potential coach for laying United coming into next season. So so. Not at fans watching the couple of Torah where once us being coached by potential coach that could come over to Atlanta and the other side of the the other team playing has a player who could potentially becoming too late night it. So that is something that you would have never found just two years ago in Major League Soccer. Even find that. I'm a huge arsenal fan. I mostly covered per merely. And I get rumors all the time of like these acts PSV players, and I'm like, I would never tune into like the the Dutch league or anything like that. That is insanity. Sorry. There have been actually watched parties popping up to to watch the Dettori's to especially the final. Now. That's coming up to to watch it. Yeah. It's the same thing to happen when we were being rumored like Jay said with Barco last year and everybody started tuning in and watching that and sharing streams sharing passwords on how to how to watch it. And and it's just it's very entertaining. I mean, if we if we hear somebody that's rumored to join and it's the same thing with Barca last year. It was a rumor, but we it was almost certain. Yeah. We we have people tune in and discuss, and you know, when it's on and streaming there's a huge Twitter conversation going on about it. And you know, watching the player and evaluating what he might look like on our team. So it is very entertaining. I think like Jay said I don't have seen any MLS team do that really with their with their potential signings. Yeah. Maybe it's a niche bubble within the Twitter sphere. Whereas, you know. Maybe it's not, you know, I'm not saying that seventy thousand people are tuning in. But there's a good chunk of hard core supporters that are doing in having a dialogue about it. And I don't think that would exist without our unique culture where we have so much Latin influence not only on the pitch right or in the coach, right? But also in our media, and and having that representation in the media in in our fan base, where you know, we have supporters groups like the dole say, which is largely based of people based fans that come from or originate from Argentina or early way or have that culture and bring those chance in Spanish, and I think that's a big part of it and having friends that you know, that we met through at lane United like Kelly could tell you now she goes and plays pick up a soccer at these mini pitches. At Marta subway stations. That were built by soften the streets with the help of Atlanta United that didn't exist two years ago. And now you have people that not only never were watching Major League Soccer. Going out and playing with each other in five matches every Wednesday night at subway stations. And and so that's also a big part of it, you know, and and making friends with you know, groups like leper Sarah's, you know, bunch of guys Colombian guys. And and then you have Sierra United a podcast Spanish-language podcasts that follows lane United that has super popular. So I think all of that kind of blends together and creates this this environment that kinda just cooks stews and creates these opportunities for those types of things to happen. Like people getting together and catching onto these matches in South America. It kinda reminds me of like the book. I don't know if you guys by Malcolm glad well, it's called the tipping point where you just find this just like knee just takes off. You know, what I mean, it feels like you guys have really hit. This them amazing. Like these hardcore fans are talking about are just unbelievable, and I'm just totally blown away. But my big question is how are the tailgates? Are they are they pretty good? We we have massive tailgates. We've. I can't even count them out of support groups that we have, but we basically have this huge parking lot right next to the Mercedes Benz stadium, which will the sort of the future of that lot is determined because the city's trying to a create some retail space, and and things like that in the in the parking lot as of right now, I was just a massive parking lot tensor brought up the faction which is a supporter group that Jay's a big part of they actually bring out a mini pitch and set it up every tailgate, and you got kids and parents coming out in the kids be playing on the soccer pitch while they're all their parents are sitting and grabbing a beer and hanging out with other fans. And then you've now got even on top of the faction truck trailer. You've got little platform which soccer down here, which is another podcast in Atlanta, and is run by us when one of the voices of the United which is Jason longshore. They come and they broadcast. Every morning on every tailgate are sorry game day morning. They'll be on top of the trailer broadcasting talking about the upcoming game. And it's just it's it's a lively environment. You've got support groups from like Jay said every every corner of the world's and we've got such a vast vast diverse group of people, and we all sort of mix and Ingle, and I walked from supporter group is supportive supportive group you drink here, you grab drink Gary grab drink all the way on the other side. You got a guy that comes out with a RV trailer and smokes a pig. I mean, it's it's a party in. It's it's a lot of people mixing, and it's a lot of people from different environments just getting together to talk soccer and watch a soccer match. Yeah. It's it's at least for the big games you're talking anywhere from two to four thousand people in that parking lot. And you know, just just a supporters group section alone. The official support. Section with faction and footy mob, which has been featured on COPA ninety has a lot of hip. Hop culture. They have you know, still have several DJ's. They're spinning records. They'll have a vodka a diner trailer come out on occasion, where you can go sit inside it like the old school diner and serves vodka drinks. You have terminus legion. The oldest supporters group they have like nine hundred members. You know, they also have a DJ quite often. They'll be Carioca going on when the March kicks off. You'll see the smoke start popping resurgence who is sort of our rowdy and rowdiest supporters group. You know, the ones that you'll you'll when you traditionally think of supporters group is really out there, and we'll be have a pin yada with glitter. They're banging on in when that explodes, and then the music pops off and the smoking, and it leads to to the March where you have several hundred people marching into the stadium together. So it's just a wow. Wild environment. You blend that with like I said look dole say who bring their own instruments as well. And in March with the other supporters groups, and and sort of this intermingling of different a chance and stuff like that. It's it's really powerful. It's something that you know for a club. This young is is pretty crazy because typically you don't see that type of culture that type of passion unless unless a team has been there for quite a while but props to LA of see I mean, you watch the use of their three to three to five to which is the how many people can fit in their in their wall. They're standing only super more section which is the only the second like Orlando has the other one. But we don't talk about them. So. Up and down and they're one of their chances actually being replicated by lower league clubs in Europe. Now, they're sending videos and in crediting, Elliot ac- for inspiring chance. So it's going the other way around. Now, we're, you know, a soccer sport of groups are now inspiring chance and things of that nature. The other way around I think the old school where you hear English like who all ya and chance being ripped off. And all that sort of stuff. You just don't see that. You know, that that broke culture. I don't see that. There you see I've never seen so many women involved in the supporters culture as I have that lane knighted not to say that there isn't I've been around in this long. But it's pretty incredible as well as the after Merican culture being injected into this, the Latino culture, you name it, and that SEC college style tailgate culture that really you don't find anywhere else in America. All coming together, and creating this wonderful atmosphere. You guys are melting pot guys party geyser diverse. Oh my God. Like, so me. I'm coming. Okay. All right. All right. Wow. When you come to a game. You are required to stand with me because I stand with the supporters and when we score you get beer showers. It's tree. Oh my God. That was like during the World Cup. I was just like just covered during the World Cup final showers. Beer, showers all day. All right. Well, I want to kind of top this off. I think you guys again so much for coming on the podcast. I wanna get your guys expectations guys. Now have New York City f c because they kind of be, you know, Philadelphia union. We don't talk about them. That's fine, which I need to have a talking with them because I'm hearing about your guys culture in. It's not sons of Ben they need to step it up. What is your expectations for the first leg, which is taking place on November fourth is that Atlanta. Or is that in New York? I don't know. Yes. So the first leg is in New York on Sunday. I think it's going to be the rumor is it'll be five pm. The TV schedules are kind of cemented reffing waiting for tonight's two matches to complete in terms of the knockout rounds before they stick it on the TV guide officially, but it should be Sunday. Hopefully, five PM if not maybe seven PM that will be up in New York City at Yankee Stadium. The second leg on eleventh will be in Atlanta. And that's because Atlanta was seated higher in second place and got a buy week got to sit back and watch the knockout rounds occur. And that also means that because her higher seeded, they get to finish the second leg at home, and Seraing, my prediction and Kelly. I haven't talked about this at all yet. We typically listen this'll be shocking. Yeah. Got four. Until the pre matching recording at at a watch party, which will be doing with a group called Atlanta United nation this time and so on Georgia. But I think that it's gonna be a tough match in the stadium nukes that he's hot right now. They're coming off where they have an hell Herrera back who sort of, you know, it's like, you know, with Elaine night. We're missing McGowan Marrone, and you can feel it. You know, it's it's I think it's it's cost us the Toronto game in in in part. And so having him back is a big deal and they're getting hot right at the right time, which in the the playoff system that's very important and we're kind of in a dip right now. So I think we'll lose the match in New York to one, but we'll get that all important away goal which because away goals are weighted more heavily in this to like system that'll be a big deal. And then I think we will win three one in Atlanta. So I'm giving both score predictions. I think we're gonna pull this out. But it's going to be close over the two legs. Okay. Well, okay. I actually think we go up to the small sandbox that is NYC FC, and we pull out a draw. So I think it ends up being one one I think that we are coming off of Toronto. And we've got something to prove. I know I know in my CFC is hot right now. And and and all that. But I really do feel like Atlanta unites gonna come out there all pistons firing because they they need to make a statement. So I think we get one one up in in my in my CFC up in New York. And then when they come here to Atlanta, I think we went out to one I think it is going to be one of those sort of or both games are going to be high-tempo a lot of fouls. Hopefully, no cards for Atlanta United. But I think it is going to be a nail biter till the end. I don't think it's going to be as close. Jay things it's going to be this is gonna be fun game to watch. So if you are, you know, if you're not invested in either team, and you're just a neutral should be an exciting. Because for history, you know, we've each beating each other three one and also tied one one we tied them one which you were only one of four teams to draw them up in Yankee Stadium. They they've pretty much want every match up there. And then also we tied to to in Atlanta as well. So this is a team that plays more open and fluid. I don't think if we had gotten a team like these United. It may have been less fluid game. You may seen some more sitting back and things like that. Yeah. I think this is going to be more open fluid game attacking these are two coaches in and dome. Toronto and top to Martino that have sort of stringent philosophies on how to play. And so I don't think you're gonna see this traditional MLS playoff where you have to team sitting back and waiting for something to happen in the first leg, and and I think it's going to be all out. So so be sure to tune in. And and check it out. Yeah. Me extremely entertaining to watch. I'm lake so jazzed right now. Okay. So I'm just wanna make sure when I call my bookie later, second-leg definitely land. Okay. All right. Got that. And then so it's Cupper bust. Right. So I mean, you guys are saying Cupper bust as I'm getting. Yeah. No. I we I want. I wanna Cup. Yeah. I think this is so key because talk Martino is leaving. Right. And then we're going to be probably selling players like Miguel Ahmir own you know team. Although I don't think he'll leave teams may come hunting for just Martinez or Julian gristle who arrested are still under contract, but we're definitely going to be moving pieces. And so the team as it looks and feels over the last couple years. Is gonna be different. This is this is it, and you have I think like a Kelly said, you know, I think people are fired up because it Lenny knighted went out against Toronto. And the fans are not upset about it because they went out against Toronto. Who's is a teen is difficult to play in Toronto, regardless of what how they place this season. You you just saw team that kind of blew it in the first half and they had to chase it, and that's how they shipped a couple other goals. So the disappointment of losing an opportunity at our best chance at a trophy is frustrating, but at the end of the day because the playoff system because the Cup is really the only trophy most people most casual supporters, anyways, we're going to talk about the support she will be forgotten about. So if you can win MLS Cup all will be forgotten. Maybe not to me. I'll take this. She'll very seriously. I'm really hurt. But and that'll burn for wild. But overall you win that molest Cup that that's it. Right. You're you're the quote, unquote, champions and. Atlan United was set up and had the target on their back the entire season. And was you know, sort of set up to be the favorites for this. I don't see I think that may have shifted in terms of narrative, I think people are looking at the rebels now or s K C is potentially favorites. But I think that my actually help Atlanta United not being the favourite anymore. Maybe that takes some of that pressure off sub consciously even though obviously there's a lot of pressure on to win this only remaining trophy, correct? Everything he just said. And also the fact that MLS the way sort of analysts playoffs work is it almost feels like a start over on a season as where is it sounds like you you get the opportunity. I mean the season the regular season is over and the play offs have started. And it's a whole new ballgame. Yeah. I mean as someone who is an arsenal fan. And I you know, I understand j you sp- love the supporters shield. I'm big FA Cup fan. So people don't look at that anymore. So I gotta take what you can get right. I'm I'm so excited for you guys. You know, Philadelphia union out. So, you know, I'm hopping on the Atlanta United f c train I'm on. I'm on this train now. So I'm very excited to be on this train so checks in the mail, sir. Okay. All right. Perfect. All right. I'm gonna wrap this up real quick. One more question is we'll get your guys take. What is the biggest thing that is holding American soccer back from getting to the level? Where Linda, you know, you see is obviously you guys are having any problems. You guys are exceeding expectations. You guys are blowing like skyrocketing. What do you think holds like other places in the country from being like where you guys are FC Dallas game last night. And it was like I saw Taylor twelve between about like the stadium was empty. So what do you think holds us back? I think I'm just going to try and keep it assured. Sweet as possible, I think a lot of it has to deal with the front office the way that presidents and owners decide to run the franchise. I think if you put effort into it, you put effort into social media campaigns or media campaigns in general and marketing to the community of or the soccer community. That's n me were in your state or in your region. I think you can turn it around. I just think the the effort to want to breed entertaining soccer or the effort to want to make your team better sometimes lacking with other clubs, not that's my opinion. But I think you can't really summit up in one answer. But I think if I was going to I'd say front office. Yeah. I think you could do a whole podcast on American soccer culture. And it'd be looking at what's gone wrong with US men's national team. And how does sing? You know, a single entity system like Major League Soccer, you know, hold something's back in terms of their complex rules and all this stuff. But I'm gonna go more philosophical. I'm gonna end this on a philosophical note. I will say that expectations are holding American soccer back, and that is that what people thought what the art of the possible was just two years ago was not enough. And you know, someone light in that kind of ties into what Kelly said, you know, an owner like Arthur blank said no, we can do better that mentality right? Which is for digitally in American mentality. Right. Not like, let's come in. And just do the bare minimum and see if we can skate by. But that would seem to be the way that business was done quite often a Major League Soccer. And I think now you have people that maybe weren't even looking who were or smart people who have a lot of money who can invest in a club who have never looked at Major League Soccer as a potential opportunity now looking at it and saying while we could take this mile or something similar. We can't replicate it exactly, but we can take something similar maybe a small. Stadium. But I think the next step is saying why are we limiting stadiums. To twenty twenty two thousand people why we doing that. Now, I think the clubs coming in Nashville Cincinnati Cincinnati in the US L was breaking records. They were getting an average of thirty five thirty six thousand people at their games on average in US L in the league below Major League Soccer. So this team that comes in and build a big stadium fan. You know, brings an attendance and starts to push Lenny United who is average fifty three thousand which is sixteenth in the world in attendance this year and start to say, you know, what this is the are the possible. So I think it's only our expectations, and what we think is possible that is holding ourselves back as a soccer culture in America. Absolutely agree with that. And regards to sense e Cincinnati is coming in the beginning of next year, and they'll be doing the expansion draft for this coming to nineteen season. So I think the are the possible is on the horizon. Wow. That was phenomenal. You guys. Really just nice. Okay. I I'm blown away. Thank you. Jane Kelly for coming on the podcast. Make sure to check out on relegated podcast Eleni United f c podcast. This has been a lot of fun. So thank you guys. So much, absolutely. Some. Two.

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What's next for Celtics after Gordon Hayward opts out?

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What's next for Celtics after Gordon Hayward opts out?

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns media Network the leading online provider for the NBA's winningest franchise. Hey there folks welcome in to another edition of the winning Place podcast. My name is Brian Rob and we have breaking news out of the gate bridge Levine is back after paternity leave after the last few weeks. My phone is still off today. He's got a big thing come up tomorrow. We'll talk about that next week, but for now rigid paid was it paid paternity leave that we did that we discussed that. Yeah, we're going through the benefits package. So I think it's America rich, Richmond is back ryburn Tony here has always during this offseason and Rich. What a what a time to come back into the fold on the back of a free agency with Gordon Hayward turning down thirty-four million dollars on a player option just hours ago will just go around horn here to start Ryan. I've talked about this month. But Rich will be good to get just your fresh fresh perspective here to to begin. My first my first perspective is what anti-climactic deadline that was, huh? I'll be waiting waiting all week for Tuesday then waiting all week for Thursday. The deadline comes and still everything is pretty much in play. Yeah, am I right in saying this like so we know we know that he's not go back for one year at 34 or whatever it is. I don't think so. But everything else is still in place not like he's gone. It's not like he's still can't come back. It's not like there are the trees aren't still potentially inimical. Like my first reaction was just anti-climactic. I wanted a little bit more from today's deadline. It would be hilarious if he re-signs for one year 34.2 million three or four page one. Yes. It's like make them pay for that extra time. But to be I was I was thinking about I was texting people earlier in the Latimer like in the last couple of hours just saying about like the potential end game here and like I do wonder if something like that is on the table for him, like maybe if a player talk option attached to that in the case where it's like that's a clear all turn off. Have to obviously him walking away from nothing through Celtics. But if he isn't willing to commit here long-term and doesn't want to be traded to a place that he doesn't want to go to then it's like that could be a conceivable like Middle Ground. I don't even know I mean that sounds loud even speculate about but like we're it's I have trouble seeing what the endgame is here be honest. I'm a trade right now. So I I mean my number just from like we have more clarification on a number of different things that happen. We're still waiting to see what exactly is going on with this Memphis trade for the 30th pick. I don't think there's been a formal and woke up exactly what that is and I've been sort of speculating that maybe that includes Canter but I don't have any way of knowing that for sure. They've been in Safari as now on what they out to New Jersey City and we know that they did move the 30th pixel like we have a little bit better numbers. Now what I've come up with is like if they could offer him three years sixty nine million dollars right around there, which is a good number because there's different ways you could like structure with some other movies. I think they could get like right under the tax with that if it was can't hear was out. They obviously have to sign other players to fill out the roster and you have to bring a center in and spend a little bit of money there. But like you can make it work or if you start about 25 million, then you can come in like right under the tax and then have it descend. So you're not spending quite as much in the next couple years. I'm going to be back over the tax if Canter's in wage. Make it a sin and you sort of flip the money around but that number right there like Dodges the tax this year would give him the thirty-four million that he opted out of and then basically a two year 35 million a year 35 mental extension on top of that which seems like you know, sort of fair market Price maybe a little bit below what people think but you get that 34 million back in as well and like that would seem to be like if there's any chance of him coming back and that's not a new number right? We've been kicking around numbers right back for the the idea of the opt-out re-sign from the beginning. And so if you think there's any chance of him coming back, I think that number is still sort of the most likely but it's no longer a point of like is it like that would be sixty million could they go to eighty million? So it's sort of like, okay. We're it's right around that 70 number where they could get the value of staying under the tax and and really the value of that is avoiding the repeater at some point the finger right here spending. Yeah, so and then how much more Ryan so we know we know like the Charlotte can go as high as like nineteen right how much more none of us think that the Knicks or the Hawks are going to max out Gordon Hayward. It's not have asked them know so so what's realistically how much more do you think that he can get and one of these two other places? I don't know if there's that much more out there in a three-year deal. It's possible if somebody will go up for three years or three years in a fourth-year player option, whatever might be and that there could be more total money out there for sure. Is there somebody willing to go for a hundred? You know, maybe I would think maybe somebody would go, you know for a hundred but the last year is half guaranteed or something like that. Like, you know, you sort of fudge the numbers a little bit that's still a lot. I think for the ridge you're taking with with his health. I mean maybe you guys are just like, oh, you know these there are people who think that these are not like injuries that are injury-prone injuries, right? They're held to sort of like freak injuries. I think that's a hard thing to sell especially as he moves into his thirties. So I don't know if there's that much money more than that out there. I think there's much money is out there in. No honest. Well, I think I think 370Z probably out there somewhere. I think that Atlanta maybe the Knicks maybe Charlotte can't really get there unless it's a sign-and-trade although we work, you know, there's a good relationship between the teams and based on what what the the last year. And they could try to jump the salary to like Charlotte, Yeah, you can hiring and then make some more room but I look could go right back to Indiana and like salary match off of of course Myles Turner the name that always comes up here and you get back to the same sort of number again. It's like but I think that that that's sort of the number where he's most likely doing it. Maybe we all just sort of shocked and it gets blown away and there's like, oh my God, why would anybody give them that that offered sometimes that happens but only takes one way yeah, totally right? I mean that's what it is like the Knicks get left out everything else and they're sitting there going. Well, we gotta we gotta make the salary floor somehow and we don't want to you know, we want somebody to throw lobs to our 18 power forwards. I don't know. What was that know. So at this point assuming assuming the Gordon because I mean Mannix just Chris Max just we had before we started recording. This is Thursday night that we're doing this that Gordon Hayward is most likely played his last game and a Celtic uniform. Yeah, and if that's the case don't you think Myles Turner is a pretty good return know like I don't own no. don't think that's Good value on that contract like in a would you like Myles Turner over nothing next year absolutely. Like he's you know a slightly above-average player for a center. But when you when he's making twenty million dollars for the next two years on top of that and you could you know have a center for like half the money that's pretty much as good. I prefer that option over committing money to Turner that will kind of squeeze your flexibility. So my guess is if if Hayward is is hard intent on going to Indy and there are you know, I'm a reason to think that is the case in some form here. Then it is, you know, just a chess match between this other foreign office and and Pritchard with the Pacers in terms of being like give us something Beyond Turner that we want to make us do this and showed him his son his son Peyton. I mean, you know how much I you know, my sort of yeah General Disco Like four miles Turner, I think you would still have to do it. If it was that or nothing would it have to be that or nothing? Cuz it's like that here. It has to have somewhere else to go and that situation and that's where I think the Knicks off in the Hogs come into play here because I'm not convinced like they are going to be waiting around for with an offer for Hayward. Like if you look at the names out there on the fridge of Market with only 2000 teams have serious cap room here. Like you're talking van Fleet Christian would you know Joe Harris? Obviously, you could stay put Montrezl Harrell Milsap Gallinari. Jeremi Grant bertans bogdanovic, Pope. Some of those guys are staying put but some of those guys aren't staying put and all it takes is like two offers from those teams and haywards leverage goes away just like that. So what are the Celtics doing that situation like in your in your mind? That's I mean, that's question. Why do you want him back if you what is that is that it seems like it might be time for them to go their separate ways off. Yeah, I agree with you rich in terms of like if you wants out then I say, okay. We'll get I want something else Beyond just Turner from Indy. That's a valuable like our because or I'd rather just have Hayward on a year and then maybe you you know, like you say you do that player option or you you trade him midseason or some like that you hold out for something a little off if you're saying that's off the table. If you're going under the premise of there's no way he's coming back and he would sign he would go to New York, whatever and and like your options are I'm going to go sign in New York, or you can trade me to Indiana and they're saying they will send back Myles Turner to make it work and like if you just cut everything else out in those the only two options. We would do go to Every signing with and and say we'll give you a draft pick to make this a sign-and-trade and we'll take a trade exception. They might say no to that even then. I don't know. I'm like, would you rather have a trade exception or would you rather have Myles Turner? Almost rather betrayed. I mean maybe Turner for the like obviously obviously Turner for next year, but depending on how big that trade exception is. Like I just don't see Turner's value increasing think that's not going to be a plus contract at all during it's written. I mean I could be wrong. No, I don't either right or Bradley be that do you like do you like mousetrap? Like what's I mean twenty million isn't what it used to be. Right? Like that's that's actually like not that much money. I mean talking about a starting NBA Center who can shoot who can block shots like literally led the league in blocked shots and what he doesn't rebound right? Right. Is that what you guys big big knocks on Myles Turner? Again, and and he's this situation million dollars for a center is basically my knock on him. He's a fine. I mean, he's a okay. He's an average starting center and like you can get those guys for five million dollars. So why pay 18 million to any of them? Are you sure we have and have Daniel theis five million dollars worth of like sneak. That's an upgrade that turn as an upgrade on size. I mean, I've been in this argument over and over with different people. I don't think I think it's a you know a slight downgrade if you want to tell me it's a slight upgrade, you know, depends on the matchup sort of either way either way you're saying it's slight and the money doesn't doesn't make that's my main problem with it. Yeah, and now twice every time you spend five million dollars I said, you don't get off work out as well as Daniel's eyes. I completely understand that but just look at the center Market this year and who has money and it's like somebody good and and just good and reliable is going to go for the tax, you know the facts. Ellie yeah, and and again, it's not necessarily the Celtics will be able to be the team that signs those players is a number of teams. Are we looking for him? But like it just isn't doesn't seem to be a good use of resources. But but really liked to the reason I would do it is because I want matching salary and a name player that I can try to trade for Bradley Beal in a year. And if you sign somebody, you know, if you pick somebody up out of the scrap into a into a trade exception that player just got dumped for basically nothing or maybe one draft pick like how much value they really have and there's a lot of like just anchoring right on like what are people's perceptions of a player is worth and would Washington can you know, see twenty-four twenty-five year-old Myles Turner as being better than whatever you feel with trade exception if ultimately that's like your end game. It's I want to be able to trade in in a year off or Bradley Beal or in two years or three years for Devin Booker. Like that's what you're hoping for sort of how this play out and and including Kemba and all that stuff is is one way to make all the money work, but that's more complicated cuz wage. See a team trading away Bradley Beal isn't going to necessarily want camel Walker and it just it just sort of simplifies certain things. And even if it means that you have to pay two million dollars for a center who I don't particularly like for a year and risk getting stuck with them and having him not improving. Anyway, it's like think you have to just sort of bite the bullet and do it. If if literally your only other option is like we can get a TV but have to pay a first-round taking order to make it happen. That's that's pretty bad too. But even then though like you look at the Des staring match of the posturing match between you know, the bar scene is is trying to work right now dead and creating, you know, Hayward opting out the biggest thing you did was create, you know, he still has the leverage. He still has the the walk factor for nothing, but that could be gone by the end of Friday night if if the next and the Hawks use a big chunk of their cap room and then at that point, who do you guys think is in control Rich win if Hayward has nowhere to go he doesn't wash off. I'm back where you know and you don't like and if you're Danny agent, you don't like moisture in or you just don't like what they're offering a sign-and-trade like what what do you do in that spot when Hayward has no other boss real, you know, pretty course. Yeah. I mean, I guess a lot of it comes down to the real reason why Gordon might not want to be here anymore. Like do you guys think it's it's more money or it's more like, you know them both sides tried like the luck has been really shity and maybe he you know, he like he said he wasn't pitched come be the fourth option with with Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Kemba Walker right off that that wasn't why he came here and maybe he wants to leave for other reasons. What do you what do you think is it more money? Is it more fit as he want to change the scenery or he wants to get more money guaranteed? It's not going to get more money. He'll get more you get more money guaranteed over month of years. Right? But like as we started out saying like it's not going to get anywhere close to 34 next to you know, we're talking about a longer-term deal, but you have to really be thinking like I'm I'm going to have a bad enough years in Austin were like, there aren't going to be any better options next year and some of the stuff like coping in the cap not going up it but marks can be a little bit tighter than we thought next year but like they're still going to be a lot of money out there. And if he believes that he is a level of player who can go out and find other team then you think you would believe that he can have a good enough ear next year in order to get another contract. I think it's more the the other option is that he doesn't he doesn't like it here. He's he thinks it's cursed his own family doesn't particularly like it here. Maybe he doesn't like the role that he's in he wants to re-establish himself as an All-Star. He views himself as something different than what you know what I think he actually is at this time. And you put all that together and it's yeah, we'll just looking for something new a career change sort of sort of deal with my guess but you know, it's not like he's given us a lot of information wage went to the last second just to tell us if he was coming back or not. I don't I don't think there's been a whole lot more in terms of being forthcoming about this kind of stuff and the headlines still might be you can still come back right even with as you said it started out, you know, as you started out saying like this has nothing not a whole lot has actually changed here. So it's it's fascinating from that sound like I just how I mean, I think it would it's safe to assume that he's obviously looking around and you know coming back to Boston as far from you know option number one firm, but is it a What's difference between that versus like I don't want to go back no matter what and you know, maybe he want to see hey what what can I get out there? And you know, he wasn't going to know for sure what he took it out there unless he opted out here and clearly take the ball out of the Celtics hands in terms of you know, he lose all control and the Celtics probably aren't going to trade him or at least try to trigger month before million dollar option if he's not going to you know, play ball or signal that he's willing to stick around. And so maybe this is a way to just you know, he test the water here and there's not much there and so he it's eventually coming back to the Celtics. It's not the ideal thing that he wants but made for one year. It's what makes the most sense for for him. I don't know if it would make sense for the Celtics just to take him back for a year as opposed to obviously getting back some future resources for him but dead. Be an interesting decision if it comes to that and let's say he has a chance of he comes back and if you can somehow stay healthy, he could have a really really good year in the Celtics could still be really really good. Oh, yeah. Well, you know that that is a reality. That's the highest subside play I think for next year for sure. It's him back Nesmith fills the bench void for shooting em, you know, Langford Rob Williams growing, you know other bench guys develop they still can add a pretty they could add a player for 9 million with the mid-level that could be real useful Off the Bench and took a team there again that involves Hayward being there though to to to maximize that so just the sort of some of the edge stuff around around that if he comes back I am guessing they would not spend the mid-level be too hard to be a roster yet partly for tax purposes partly just cuz of roster Council like again, if you if chapters out then there's a little bit more money down. To maybe spend there and and kind of a need for another veteran solid Center. You would think there's a little bit in there. But like I don't know how much more there would be an in terms of improvement other than just internal Improvement of which should be substantial like the player that Jayson Tatum is this year's any better than the player. He was last year the player Jaylen Brown and and a Lankford is looking like it's going to be another injury-hit season. We might be he might be out for at least like half the season if he's dead. It's such a sensational argument. Yeah, I mean to come back for that. Basically One play get injured again now have multiple injuries missing the beginning of your second year and a condensed like all that we could maybe another day but there should be quite a bit of internal Improvement. I think that's where most of it would would come from. But yeah in terms of one year upside him coming back and in some manner, I think it would be very difficult for him to come back for one year for less than what he just left for though. And I don't think there's a scenario where the Celtics would re-sign him for that amount considering that it would be Fifteen million into the luxury tax and would they be better off just at that point just saying like I don't like Emily signings in general. I think that historically they're just bad to pay the full Emily but wage again in the situation of like trying to build up some salary for trades on the line. Would you just sign somebody for the mle at that point for three years and like say that that's better than bringing it back to that full amount and it just it's hard to break his agent would be hard for him to like opt-out come back for you know, basically one year and as you talk about maybe the second year two player option, you can make some things balance out like that, but that's why I sort of come down and I like three year number of like, hey, we are actually going to We don't want this to be a situation from where from day one. Everything is still strained and everything is still up in the air. We need some amount of settling here of like, okay, we're we're both are agreeing that we are going to be together here for at least a couple of years again. Otherwise, there's just such like a cloud hanging over everything as well and it's hard for me to see and I'd get the idea of like if there's no other options out there if there's no other options out there. I think that's when you come back to like three sixty-five million 368 million seventy million, right like in that sort of range and that's better for everybody unless it's really if he doesn't want to be in Boston then he's going to find them to leave. I agree. Yeah. I I just I wonder if it's at that point and if a football continues on this week, which has a few surprise teams at the top of the standings and you might not be able to be at a game. That's G, but you can still be in on the action at BetOnline no matter how the schedules change or players that play bet online is going that extra mile to make sure you can get in on every game this season with the fastest updated on job. Industry they're always more options to wager than anywhere else online. So head on over to bed online today and take advantage of all the great mid-season bonuses offers and contests met online your online Sportsbook experts and now back to the show Rich. Where's where's Brad Stevens in all this you think yeah, cuz he seems to suggest that he's kind of staying out of this, right? Yeah. That's why you last night and he said when he was like, you know, he said him and Gordon have had so many conversations over the years before they even came to Boston obviously and like you said, I think that Gordon's kind of just taking this with his agent like it's become a business right now and brought seems to be saying like he knows that I'm here if he needs to talk but like Gordon has all the information that he probably needs at this at this moment and in that's not to say that the conversations aren't happening happening with Gordon Danny, but I wonder how much Brad is having a say in it. It's probably easier for him to step out when you say yeah, I think so. I mean, this is a I mean, it's been tough enough to watch them go through this if you're Brad Stevens last few years and now, you know getting into middle something like this makes it even tougher but I do Wonder like you know, what is case, you know, if you're the Celtics with with Hayward right now and he's you know, he's obviously shown his not his regrets are just you know, his concerns about coming back in his role. And you know, whether this is the right spot for him, like where what can can the team do anything, you know better to sell may like next year. You know, we're going to rest kembo more so we're going to give you more operation or is it a point where it's like, hey, sorry like we have these two really great young players and you keep getting hurt. So like what do you want us to tell you there should give him Al Horford's phone number in case he doesn't yet. So I should say give this this guy call and and ask him how how Oklahoma City is so it's really point. The selling point to me is pretty straightforward write it down. You want to go play for the Knicks or do you want to go play for an NBA championship? And if he wants to go play for the next bill? That just tells you something about where he is in his career and in his decision-making. It's like you can't there's no getting around that problem. Right if he's like, I want to go be the best player on a team. Well, it seems not going to be a good all the power to him. By the way, if if you want to know go for it, but that's not a player that you then want to commit multiple years to if like if it's starting point is I want to I want to see the, you know be the man. Okay. Certainly wouldn't be the first player was wanted that but you're going to you're going to do that for a team. That's not going to the playoffs or that's going to be the AC and get swept out whatever else like sort of going back to the Brad Stevens thing. I I think that's an issue to me. I think there's quite a bit of shine like off the Brad stevens or at this point those shine in or it don't make any sense together, but For one thing like yeah, it's easier for him to step out of it. But he is the head coach of the Boston Celtics and he makes a lot of money to like coach management team and he couldn't make it work with Kyrie Irving and that has led to one of their direct Rivals having Kyrie Irving and the player who they had cut, you know, basically went and got Kyrie hoping to be able to attract or at least one of them actually two of their Rivals have the two players that they took a drag Kyrie Irving one in LA and one in Brooklyn and he couldn't really make that relationship work the breakdown of that relationship as well as financial reasons, like data over leaving. It's stuff that we talked about last episode, right? It's These are all things that you can talk about independently and then you get into late playoff series and like he's had a couple of times where you've looked at it and been like he's kind of getting outcoached as well like in the actual games in the series and that's not to say that Brad Stevens should be fired is not to say that he's not a good coach but you know each year that and some of this is just this is what happens is you stay in a place longer and longer each year. Some of the shine does come off of like wage is hasn't shown the greatest ability to manage established veteran stars and he hasn't shown that he's like the absolute best tactical coach in in games. And he has a very long contract and he makes a good amount of money and like some of these things are like, okay. Well it's easier for him to step out of the Gordon Hayward conversation, but it's also like important to the future of the Boston Celtics that this is all resolved in a way that is amenable to everybody and if he has any way of helping that then I would suggest that he should but the question I think becomes like what is helping that like enquiries case like do you think the Celtics would be better off right now if they took it up with Kyrie and convincing this day, I don't probably because he would have probably would have brought Kevin Durant. I mean so you so you think the the Nets are in a better place in the Celtics right now. Well, if you had Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant and Jayson Tatum, that would be pretty good. Right that would be pretty good. But we're talking about we're talking about Durant off his Achilles we're talking about Kyrie who has not since that since that one that series with LeBron has not shown that he's a guy you necessarily want to count on like if you guys literally quit in a playoff series. I don't know if that's all about his relationship with Brad Stevens as well as his relationship with himself probably more than birth. Yeah, I don't think he quit I think he threw the series like maybe I'm on the far end of the extreme, but I think he wanted to get out of Boston. It was like if we keep winning these series and I may have to that's going to be harder for me to leave and was like, I'm going to start losing these games. I have to be replaced them with and Kemba has his own challenges of in terms of being, you know being at the very top end of the playoffs as well. I think so in terms of like it's difficult to get away from the fact that Anthony Davis change teams and made it very clear that he did not want to come to the Celtics. And because I'm did in fact came up with Kyrie Irving and it's not with the Celtics. Like I don't know those that is pretty clearly what they were planning to try to achieve and you can say that it you know looking today maybe whether you would like it or not, but like what they were trying to achieve didn't happen because of a pretty significant breakdown between the team and a star player sure. But yeah, I just don't know if I go either Brad Stevens again the second part that you're talking about tactical like what happened against the Heat especially with Spoelstra again losing this poster is not you know, losing to the best right, but you don't think about Brad Stevens as a guy who's going to get coached. We have seen that happen, but I just don't necessarily think his relationship with the players. It doesn't concern me losing Kyrie Irving. I think I'm in Steve Nash probably is will learn that soon enough, right and how horribly I don't think that was because of of Of Brad Stevens. What do you think? It's just because you lost control of the team. Yeah. I mean, I think that's part of it. I think he was made it pretty clear that you know the relationship with Kyrie the entire state of the team. I think there was sort of did he say it actually that if he had known that Kendall was coming he he might have stayed like so she's saying right, but he he didn't he had a quick comment about it off and then the numbers wouldn't have worked. There's all the stuff that you can get whatever they can say that it wouldn't have they wouldn't be able to make it work it necessarily anyway, but Just the the way that that season went in the way that that very brief little era sort of collapsed in on itself. I don't think you can just absolve the head coach of that. And I also think that when you get into the playoffs like I think he got out goes out coached by Nick nurse as well. They won the series who they were a better team, but you know, if you're talking about tactical level like you see the 8th best tactical. I don't know. It's not dead. He's not the third-best. He's not the absolute best man manager. And again, I am not absolutely not calling him like to be fired. But if you're talking about where is he in the hierarchy of coaches like he's not The absolute best coach in the league right now. I think it's fair to you know in the top tier of them. Yeah. I think that that's a reasonable thing to say and this is just another part that plays into it. Like why is the guy who hears this relationship with wanting to leave the team? Is there something that could have been managed better along the way again, maybe it's not maybe all these things are just independent things and this is the way it goes. But you know, I think to your point, I mean, I think the last point you made is the biggest one I have right now with with perhaps even in like in the the Haywood relationship and you know, this is of any guy that you'd hope be able to manage that, you know are just help, you know, keep the Buy in or figure out what's going on there at least have you know, the the knowledge to give Danny age heads up being like hey, I don't know if Gordon it's like we don't know he didn't like we I mean true that could have happened anyway, and they just set up we're going to we're going to try to play this out cuz we're we think we have a chance of this last season and but to Rhinebeck to like defend brats, he was a little bit they're dead. I think kind of you know the front out, you know, I do think he was outcoached in those series, but I also think he was a guy short Off the Bench with Hayward heard and yeah, I'm not very limited object. I put just as much of the blame pie. I'm like the front office for that as like Stevens in terms of the coaching stuff like normal problem with that. Like I don't think it's been the best couple, you know, the best couple of years for the fridge is either in both cases. They'll your there's a slight degradation of this right there was a time not that long ago where it was like, oh they have one of the top three for an office has one of the top three or five head coaches and now it's like maybe they have one of the top ten front offices and one of the top ten head coaches, which is still very good and they have made three of the last four Conference Finals. Like this is not a bad team. It's not a bad front office. Not a bad coaching staff. They the thing that they've done the best with over the last couple of years is making some very astute including the one of the best draft decisions you'll ever see with with Tatum and developing Young Players Club. Which is really important like hugely important. It's why they've gotten to where they want. So it's not like every single thing is in the negative. This is not the Knicks being coached by Mike Woodson or something like this is feeling good situation, but the small margin of error at the top two between getting green if we hold all the players so that standard why why not also hold the coaching and front-office to that standard. It's I guess where I'm coming from, let's let's pivot to wrap up to the draft for a second unless we have any I mean any closing thoughts in the Hayward situation before we talk to rep or Thursday to bring It full circle that's you know, when we talk about what what what kind of fucked-up that the most recent error that Kyrie Irving era of of Celtics basketball. It's that first injury, right? I mean that really changed everything and Thursday. My throat is that Gordon was not able to stay on the court and I don't know what anyone was going to do to fix that important point that we we did not bring it to this like that. It is like the whole everything changed with that and it's never we saw glimpses of I think here it is best at points during this past season, but then they were derailed with injuries. In the midst of those. So again that makes me who is going to throw a big money of the guy that's been dealing with that's been that snake-bitten. I'm not sure, but it will be interesting to watch on Friday. But we go to the draft Now Rich the the draft pile of pics is is gone now officially and a good run. It was a good run like a few seconds. I got this year. We got a couple of seconds. They got a couple seconds for the number 30 I I don't watch too many college basketball. So, you know Ryan I had Max growing on who I wanted to laugh at how much he hated all the subjects pics last night. It was all cocky he was not enough but I kind of liked it a sense in a lease got they got Shooters, they like filled a need and I think somewhere where you know, the the drafting hasn't been great at least outside of the top-10. Obviously. The last few years is, you know, getting guys that aren't going to get on the floor under Brad Stevens and at least I think in Nesmith and Pritchard, it's a couple of guys that are look like they're ready to help generate. You know, these are can hit threes against his own you guys see the Pritchards older than Tatum. I don't know if that's been mentioned a bunch already but no find the yep. What does he treat each month old right after he was born in January of 98 and then Tatum's marks of ninety-eight. So it's like a month-and-a-half older but still Wild. And yeah anytime you can get a guy when they say the best shooter in the draft from talking about. You know Nesmith that's that's what we can say three Angie guy. That's a nice if if he takes just takes jammies minutes to start, you know, we can go we can go from there. But it's I have no problem with the draft. I don't know like you say, I don't watch too much college hoops, but looks promising. I got a guy named yam of cause that way I can give an in-depth scouting report on. Yeah. I'm now now you guys own Emoji who knew there was a yam Emoji page for him or yeah, I mean so we obviously did have Max on and it's funny if you go back and listen to that episode like how much he how much of a disdain he has for some of the players who thought the Celtics ended up taking and how the players who he really really wanted them to take were all there and in some cases went to like one went to the Sixers like it's it's pretty funny and they were doing a live show that night dog. Is actually listening to instead of watching the ESPN feet cuz he has been so far behind what everybody's actually announcing on on Twitter. You know, we'll just and chance are breaking every single pic and they're talking to fix behind. So I was off Twitter for the job and I loved it. Right. I'm never off to it. I don't know how but their show like it was Max's also Celtics fan. He was just like devastated when when the pics came in which I find to be a little funny. I mean, I I always say I'm a draft nihilist like I don't believe that anybody should be that strongly invested in like their analysis of fixed. There's obviously a large difference between the guy who's the first over of the guy who's the 30th overall pick but there's not really a difference between the guy who's 14th and the guy who's nineteen just isn't like they're all in the same grouping go for it if there's a guy you like but there's this thing of people are like dogs lying on their like, oh my God, I can't believe they didn't take Tyrese Maxey. This was he was right there. He's perfect. He's the guy he has to be the one and the guy who they took as a stiff and he's never going to be anything more than a role player. And why would you do that? I'm just like nobody knows this and stop being so, Your own analysis. There's like how many how many weeks ago. Did you realize Tyrese Maxey exists people like draft Twitter like they watch a ton of video. Like that's great. I'm like that's you just there's no amount of video that you can watch for them to beat the draft. I promise everybody all of the teams, even the bad things even the teams that don't draft well have a lot of people who watch all the video like the Celtics have multiple people who have watched every relevant minutes out of all of the draft guys who they were considering entire lives. Like this is just it's not a matter of like that you can out video watch and and if people want to play in that space and have it be their hobby or whatever it might be then and that's fine just like don't get too attached to your own specific evaluations and try to keep like a big picture here of that. All of these guys are probably going to fail, you know, not not literally all of them, but like more of them are going to fail than are going to become anything really important. So, you know, I sort of come at it from that standpoint. I don't mind the Nesmith pic Daw. Um, I know what again we talked him on that episode. I think the point that I had brought up with what Max the thing about him was like if he's whenever you have a guy whose singular Talent is shooting. There is a risk that like they get off to a bad start and they shoot 34% in the first two hundred shots of their career and just like never recover from it. They just gas station and they're they don't get another chance and they end up on another team as a second draft guy and maybe they work out somewhere else where like are there any examples of that? You can think of I must and they don't exist. I just like to put a name to the I mean Chris Middleton those guys weren't as highly drafted. But yeah, I mean you can just get off to ya carsen Edwards will see yeah, right and like that can happen if you just have a particularly variable scale, but I don't think Nesmith is exactly that from what I can tell again. I don't know anything about him really but like anytime you draft a guy who's six six with a 6:11 span and you know pretty solid muscles, right whatever like he's not in the oil a factory exactly. But like this is not like a lightweight guy. It's not RJ Hunter and he bought some amount of offensive skills like to me that's actually a pretty high up sidekick almost always like just they have those are the guys who go 14th or 25th or whatever in the draft because they have some holes and then they become Klay Thompson. Unfortunately with the injury that we we heard about today, but also, you know, Chris Middleton and Jimmy Butler and Paul. George is a little bit bigger Kawhi Leonard, like none of those guys were known to be All NBA players are they would all been the first pick in their classes? Like they're all just sort of fit this profile like oh, yeah, they're about that size and they have these skills and they have a good NBA body and that is sort of by Nature a high-upside play off to me. It's actually a relatively big swing of like if he can't if he has a bad shooting stretch and he ends up not working out and losing the trust of the coaching staff, then it could be a bust but like he also does have the profile of somebody who could break out and be really good. And so I don't know I don't I don't have a problem with it. I'd but you go back to the idea of like I wouldn't have really had a problem if they ten other guys as well cuz I don't know that much about him and they're all probably kind of the same name just don't pick a center. I'm happy and I guess the biggest thing is they're they're going to get a shot right away cuz really like fruits hurt and ship me off going to be gone Brad Wanamaker. I'd imagine there's a chance he's back but he's probably going to be gone and who knows Gordon here which would be gone to so well, they need wings. I mean, they they definitely birth. Has a ton of wings, but especially in Hayward leaves like they need Wings everywhere. You need Wings These Wings, they need they need Wings hayward's leaving cuz I've like originally might come back and under some circumstances. I like seeing that you don't want him playing on the wing form for you. It's just if you have no choice. So they're going to probably a guy or two and for you to see yeah, it's good, you know getting a point backup point guard was a need and a wing was a neat and they got a couple of Shooters of those spots that arguably some of the best in the class. So it'll be interesting to see them just hit the ground running about summer league. Like how do you like training camp Bridge just them guys will probably be joining mid training camp depending on like quarantining and taking when they sign in free agency or when trains go down. It should be pretty just nuts and the next month. Yeah. That's a good wage. It's nuts. I think about the time this game and it's going to be the worst quality basketball. Anyway this game three torn ACLs for Christmas the picture pictures of everybody hates that day. I really within Celtics player just not real life. That's just one slice of it, but like everybody hates that pic and I'm just like they need a backup point guard and I don't know seems fine. Yep. The parking lot from the highlights. There is 6 to like he looks tiny but he's visiting like TJ McConnell. I think people look at me like why are we drafting TJ McConnell? He's just like little white guy. You're like, he's actually like 6 to he's he was the boss name is the point guard of the year last year and in all of college. He can shoot Bob Cousy whatever there's plenty of those guys to like again. If you're sorry I said if you in that sort of area where the cells are drafting draft of sometimes they break out and turn good. If you're looking for backup point guards, there's just so many back up when cars that have dropped between like twenty-five and forty-five and they all looked kind of like this or like a lot of older players who had really good success in college and they come in and they play as backup point guard for four or five years and then you get another one. It's fine got shut out from Dame Lillard on Twitter. That's good enough for me. Pretty sure did. Yeah. Yeah song like congrats dad does for you rich speaking of which time for me to go back to dating indeed. All right. Well, thanks for coming back aboard. Yes. I'll do have some be able yo. Tomorrow morning tomorrow morning with this is all over. This is all Everything Everything Has Changed we can we can get back together and and discuss again. All right, we'll get this posted. Hopefully if in ten minutes worth it gets to dated, but hit us up at winning play Spot on Twitter hit Rich up at Richard Levine at danger cart at Bryant. 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