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Skins' Schedule Shouldn't Matter To Haskins' Timeline

The Kevin Sheehan Show

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Skins' Schedule Shouldn't Matter To Haskins' Timeline

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. All right. I am here Aaron his here this shows presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows, call eight, six six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com and tell them we told you to call I have a recommendation, which I will give later in the show for a two part documentary on HBO HBO. But I'll make that recommendation later on the nets beat Atlanta last night. Stephen Strasburg another strong start and even though Aaron the bullpen tried to give it away. It didn't this time and the NATs were five four winners in Atlanta, and they've won four out of their last five so a little bit of momentum. They're still nine and a half back of Philadelphia who won last night, but they are playing a little bit better in that Marlin series may have started them on, on a bit of a run here. What a piece on the Lakers yesterday on ESPN dot com. You recommended that I read it because I had not read it before the show yesterday. I think it came out, just before we started the show or maybe during the show. But the biggest takeaway more than any other for me. Is if you believe the various Lakers employees ease that were quoted anonymously in the story. This was in the ESPN dot com story, the inside of what's gone on with the Lakers, here, the last two years, you may not be interested in the Lakers or the NBA, but I promise you that this is a very compelling read, but the most for me the biggest takeaway, the thing that I won't forget, from that story is, if you believe the Lakers employee's who were quoted anonymously in that story. Magic Johnson is a very difficult person to work for if not borderline abusive. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time or any more time really talking about it right here on the podcast. That I just urge. Anybody that is a sports fan certainly an NBA fan or a Magic Johnson fan to read it just a very interesting story about one of the storied franchises in all of sports in the midst of its most dysfunctional era the last few years have included by the way of this franchises dysfunctional period. The last few years have included one of the franchise's all time great players, if not its greatest in my opinion he is Magic Johnson. And the franchise's all time most popular player. I don't think that that is debatable. He has been at least according to this story, a big part of the franchises fall into this dysfunctional losing abyss. Read it if you get a chance, it's interesting in in, you know, magic with the way he. He left the job at the end of the regular season. I'm a big magic fan. And I said it in the moment, I didn't think to be very professional the way he did it, some of you just reached out to me and said, he's Magic Johnson. He can do whatever he wants. I still don't think that he did he handled his exit very professionally. And then in that sit down with Stephen a Smith and max Kellerman last week on I take he really, really through a multiple members of the organization under the bus, rob Pelinka being the number one target for magic last week. And I thought that magic should be, you know, a, a high road guy and that was a bit of a low road. So it's an interesting time, especially for people like me who love and always loved Magic Johnson a few things to get to here at the start including one thing to clear up from yesterday show. Lemme mentioned, by the way, Phil Chenier is going to be on the show a little bit later on. We will preview the NBA finals with. Phil today. I think Phil's got a sharp, opinion of always enjoyed my conversations with Phil tomorrow. Tim Legler will be on the show to preview the NBA finals, but a few things to start including something to clean up from yesterday or clear up from yesterday. And it's about Louis Riddick on yesterday's show. We played a few of his soundbites from John Coombs podcast, some of the very positive things that he said about twain Haskins but also, he's warning about playing Haskins too quickly in the importance of being patient with twain, Haskins. And in the midst of that conversation, I said, Tommy, I said, look, Louis Riddick isn't one of my go-to guys for analysis. I think he's great on TV Scott's told me over and over again over the years. What a great guy he is. Tony Kornheiser is said, the same thing to me, Scott, and Tony, or both very good friends Scott, one of my oldest closest friends. And both would tell me if he's not a good guy. They would they are especially Tony, but Tony loves him, Scott loves him. So I know he's a great guy. In fact, I think we've had them we haven't had him on the podcast. But I had him on the radio show a few times over the years, and he was a great guest really good guy. But what I said or what I meant to say yesterday, because whatever I did say seem to bother a few of you, which is fine is that when it comes to Louis Riddick I, I don't hang on every word of his is, if it's Goss spoil, I just don't doesn't mean he's not excellent on TV doesn't mean he's not a great guy. I've just found over the years that his opinion is in the on that shortlist of opinions that I consider to be the sharpest it's not the worst. It's just in my opinion, not one that I'm desperate to consume. There are former coaches players team exects that I really do perk up, you know, four when they are talking about. Actually favorite teams of mine the Redskins or the wizards or in the NATs curtains, talking about the nets, I'll listen to that BUSTER on these talking about the nets listen to that several coaches current. And former our Goto for me players the players that are go to for me, or, or cooling, number one. I mean of yeah, he's, he's a good friend of mine, obviously, but I really do consider coolies football opinion to be super sharp. Like as sharp as anybody I've ever interviewed talked to or listen to when it comes to just what he knows about football. And the way he evaluates football analyzes football. I just think his opinion is sharp anybody's, I think Tony romo's excellent in terms of NFL guys in studio. I really like Nate Burleson. I've come to really respect his opinion. I like Randy moss a lot. I like Steve Young. I like Matt Hasselbeck. I think he's good. You know other sports last night. I'm listening because I mentioned Magic Johnson earlier last night. I'm listening to Doc Rivers Magic Johnson on with Steven A, and Mike will Bon on an ESPN NBA finals preview. God was that a good show, Doc Rivers and magic talking ball for thirty plus minutes was awesome. And most of, you know how I feel about Tim Legler. His opinion is as sharp as anyone's in any sport in my opinion. Again, he'll be on the show tomorrow to preview the finals Louis Riddick is fine. He just isn't one of those Goto guys for me. That's all I'm not hanging on every one of his words he's a good guest on his show, engaging smart. All of those things. You know, a lot of people have been pushing and talking him up for general manager jobs in the league for several years now and it would appear, I, I don't know this for sure. Would appear that the NFL is head over heels over hiring Riddick for one of those positions. Or maybe they have tried and he's turn them down. I don't know. You know, it's kind of like Eric Schaeffer to a certain degree. Eric Schaeffer who's been with the Redskins for sixteen or seventeen years now. I think it's that long and everybody that knows Eric will always say the same thing about airi'q they're impressed. You know, I've been impressed with Eric at various times over his run, especially with some of the cap magic. He's been able to pull off, but perhaps Eric is just a guy that when compared to a lot of other people in that organization he looks great. He's a gem but have other teams come after him to give them more responsibility, a big title, more money. Maybe he has been offered a GM or team president job. I maybe he has, and he just wants to work here or live here. That's possible. But we've never heard that, that other team. Teams are beating down his door to hire him away from Washington. Personally. I would think that anyone that is worked in the Redskins organization for that long would've would've at some point if they were super talented at some point they would have had interest in leaving for a better situation, but he still here, I think that's telling, but again, there could be a lot to that story that I don't know, just as there could be a lot to the Riddick story that I don't know anyway, netting it out. I guess I just didn't get as excited as some of you did about Louis Riddick subpoenaed unto Wayne Haskins, but to be fair, I'm probably not going to get overly excited about anybody in the media's opinion, one way or the other about Dwayne Haskins, whether it's a perceived expert, a, you know, a perceived expert opinion or not. I mean don't we all know now, after all of the these years of being NFL fans. How wrong the so-called experts our time and time again and don't we know his NFL fans how often the so-called experts changed their minds. And by the way, they have every right to change their minds. The more you see the more information you gather opinions change. That's fine. But when it comes to drafted players in particular more than existing veteran players, media experts, whether they be just media people or former coaches or former scouts or former GM's or former players. They get it. Wrong gist. As often as we get it wrong on the draft. Remember that, especially at the quarterback position think about this. And I and I mentioned this in passing a couple of times, but I'll get into more detail on this. Now, think about the first round list of quarterbacks that have been taken over the last ten drafts before this particular. Later draft in twenty nineteen two thousand nine Stafford Sanchez, Josh Freeman. That's one out of three in terms of one of the guys really turned out to be pretty good and the other two not twenty ten. Sam Bradford Tim Tibo I'd call that an oath for two year on first round quarterbacks. Twenty eleven Cam, then it was Gabbard locker in ponder one for four on that draft in twenty eleven. I run quarterbacks twenty twelve. Luck Griffin Tanna hill. Weeden one for four again luck was the only big hit out of the four twenty thirteen just one. I ran quarterback e j manual. How'd that turn out twenty fourteen Bortles Menzel Bridgewater over three now Bridgewater may have another part to his career? But at this point, that's over three twenty fifteen. Was Winston and mariota one to e that's debatable. Some of you would say that's an ogre to quarterback first-round draft. I personally have been a fan at various times of both. So I'll split the difference in call one out of two, I still believe that James Winston can be a really good and fell quarterback. There's just something about him that I like, and there's a lot that I don't like maybe Bruce Arians will be the answer for him twenty sixteen Goff Wentz Paxton Lynch at this point, you would say that, that's a two or three in the first round twenty seventeen is the aberration Trubisky. Mahomes Watson, so far that's three for three. It's the only draft leading up to the twenty nineteen draft. When it comes to, I run quarterbacks ten years of them, were, you didn't have a miss, or several MRs, and then twenty eighteen really is a too early to tell at this. Point Mayfield darnold. Allan Rosen Jackson. You know, Mayfield looks the part, I think darnold looks the part. I think Josh Allen looks pretty promising and I have high hopes for, for Rosen, but we really can't tell as of yet you really, you're talking about if you add, it all up, you know, from two thousand nine through twenty seventeen if you don't count last year because it's way too early it from twenty nine from two thousand nine twenty seventeen. It's nine out of twenty three thirty nine percent hit rate on quarterbacks in the first round. And by, and by the way, when I say hit rate, I'm not talking about, you know, definite franchise guys, like out of the thirty quarterbacks drafted over the ten years before this draft two thousand nine through twenty eighteen through last year. This point Stafford Newton luck Wentz maybe once Mahomes Watson. Six out of thirty have turned out so far to be legitimate. What you would call top ten potential guys. True difference makers for their teams twenty percent of those one out of every five quarterbacks picked from two thousand nine through twenty eighteen were true difference making homerun quarterback picks. You know. And by the way, how many of those guys did the so-called experts claim when they were drafted? Oh, great pick a lot more than one out of five a lot more. So it really doesn't matter what anyone says, about twain Haskins right now doesn't matter what anybody says about Cuyler Murray right now or Daniel Jones right now. There are a few opinions that I might take more seriously than others. But for the most part all watch him myself. I'll listen to the day-to-day comments living in sort of the day-to-day granular world of being. A Redskins fan. I'll listen to the comments from coaches and teammates. And I'll form my own opinion, based on all of that. What most are predicting now means nothing comments from all of these guys Louis Riddick in particular for guys like me our conversation starters, they lead you in a different direction for conversation. That is sometimes doesn't have anything to do with the actual comments that they made or the person making them. They're good ways to get into a conversation without necessarily critiquing, the comments or the commentator themselves, like yesterday used the comments from Riddick on John Coombs podcast about being patient with Haskins as a way to discuss with Tommy about what being patient with Haskins really means about whether or not, we think they will be patient and all of the ancillary discussion off of that. It's really interesting, though about the former coaches and. Players and exact in exacts or in the media and are considered to be expert opinions because and I think Aaron you may feel the same way because you, you like me or a sports gambler, but the truth is, and again, I think your view, if you're not a sports better could be different than my view or maybe even errands view. But I think those of you who, like Erin. I bet on sports and have bet on sports over a long period of time, realize that these so-called expert opinions aren't that expert when it really plays out. You know why? Because it's really hard, the NFL in particular is really hard. It's so close teams are closer to each other in talent. Then in any other sport in the NFL the difference between good teams bad teams often more often than not comes down to the things that you can't predict or just not. Or things that you're just not able to have information on injuries. Obviously are the biggest determinate or certainly one of the biggest determinants of an NFL game or season, you can't predict those no way to predict injuries the elusive chemistry thing you know, that everybody talks about, oh, it's a great group. They've got a lot of chemistry between players and coaches and front office. Those are very difficult things to predict but nonetheless, very important to results the two things that I think we as fans more often than not can count on in terms of looking at, you know, something from afar, and then being able to predict a little bit is the quarterback who is you know as impactful a player in any sport on the final result of a game or a season and the front office. In the coaching staff, we can watch and we can document. Results and, and that leads us to feel that we have on a team or an organization. You know, the patriots Steelers the ravens are coaches like Bella chick in Sean Payton, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh Pete Carroll. You know, those guys y- you sort of have a feel for in. They're going to be ready. You know, they're going to be prepared. You know that in the quarterback I mean there couple of other things. But those are the things that we sort can count on by the way on the coaches sporting news. I missed this, but somebody sent it to me on Twitter. I think yesterday sporting news ranked the NFL coaches one through one through thirty two. I don't know if you saw this Aaron Jay Gruden was twenty sixth of the thirty two I actually think J should be higher than that, but not much higher than I don't know sixteen seventeen eighteen, but again said, opinion nother subject real quickly. It's quick tweet that I wanted to read. From Karl on Twitter, Kevin. You're nuts, not to consider the schedule. When it comes to the Haskins timeline for starting no way. He should start until they get through that. Murderous five-game start to start the season. I said yesterday in my conversation with Tommy that if Haskins even close to winning the job, he should start week one. I would not worry about the schedule couple of reasons why to answer Carl and anybody else that feels the same way, but it is a bit repetitive. But schedule strength is a perception, not a reality. All right. The twenty nineteen schedules are ranked using last year's win loss. Records the Redskins scheduled by the way as a matter of, you know win loss records from a year ago, you know, using that which is ridiculous as criteria to determine strength. The schedule for twenty nineteen do you know that the Redskins schedules, the easiest in the NFL the easiest thirty second out of thirty two teams? But. Using last year's records as criteria for determining the next season strength. The schedule is, is dumb, in my opinion last year's records aren't an indicator at all of next year's records. They never are the Redskins scheduled by the way before the season started last year was projected to be fourteenth. It turned out to be twenty first based on the real records of the teams they faced in twenty eighteen so they were about seven spots off. But how about this before last year? Green Bay schedule was projected to be the hardest. When the scheduled came out in April of twenty eighteen it ended up being the twenty sixth most fa cult, so from I in projection to twenty six in reality Detroit slashed year was supposed to be the second toughest it finished as the twenty fourth toughest Houston's. Was projected to be the easiest, they almost got that one. Right. Because it finished twenty eighth overall. But Cincinnati schedule last year was projected to be the thirties, hist it finished as the third toughest based on the records of the teams they played the actual records. I didn't need to give you any of those numbers, you, you probably had a sense to begin with that. There's significant change year to year in gist in the teams that make the postseason. It's usually a fifty percent or greater swing. So I say forget the schedule when determining when Haskins should play. It's a total, guess on how hard or how easy the Redskins schedule be will be how hard or how easy it will be until we start to actually see the teams play. I mean I guess we can guess that New England's going to be pretty good. But you don't really know you know, by the way, Tommy asked me. About the starters, you know, in recent years, and whether or not schedule was much of a factor, and I just went back and looked at a couple and Josh Allen last year, who was a you know, the number seven pick overall top ten pick. Josh Allen buffalo last year. He did not start the opener. All right. But he played in the opener, and then started from there on out until he got hurt actually came back late in the year and started. But you know, they're scheduled buffalo schedule last year started with Baltimore the chargers in the Vikings. Two of those games on the road. Those three teams on paper were very good defensive teams heading into twenty eighteen but the bills didn't blink on that. They thought he was ready for. He played now part of the reason he played to be fair. Is that Nathan Peterman was the starter when the season began, but they had planned to Josh Allen in there quickly and didn't care about the teams? They reply. Saying to Shawn Watson pretty much started from the jump, you know his rookie season you know who they played in week two of that year they played the patriots. I'm sorry in week three of that year. They played the patriots and Foxborough. And by the way, was thirty six to thirty three shootout yet though he didn't start week one. Dating start Tom savage started. But there they had plans for Watson played in that opener and eventually get him in there quickly. I just would not get hung up personally on the schedule. I just wouldn't. And I hope the team doesn't I hope there, isn't somebody like the owner saying Philadelphia Dallas the bears the giants and the patriots. I don't want him to, you know, I don't want wanted to fail early if he's ready play him period, if he's close to ready or the competition with keenum and, or McCoy is close play him. He's the future. If you believe that he was very competitive in the competition during training camp, and it was close, you are insane, not to play him from the beginning, or to fear the schedule and use the schedule as a reason not to play him. It's that would be dumb, if I'm Jay Gruden. I understand their two ways to look to look at this from his standpoint we talked about both of them yesterday. One is he may just feel more confident in an experienced guy to be ready to win games this year or not lose games as in gay manager with a better with a good defense and maybe a good running game and Gruden wants to win nine ten games. But I agree with Cooley on this. I think Jay if he really wants to be here. Long term his best path to being here long term is to develop Haskins and to be Haskins coach. Ch two. Haskins has more job security moving forward in the short term than Jay Gruden does. So Jay Gruden should be trying to hook himself to join Haskins wagon. I don't want that to be the perception. I don't want the owner to, to push that narrative out there. I want the coach to be able to coach him and I went the coach to be able to make decisions. But Jay Gruden has to understand that beyond twenty nineteen. He only has one quarterback currently under contract. And that's twain, Haskins and Dwayne. Haskins is the guy that the franchises expecting to start at some point this year if not from the jump, and certainly in twenty twenty so Jay Gruden his best path if he's interested in a long term future in Washington would be for joint Haskins to play this year to play a lot this year and to play well this year quick word about. Window nation summer is here. And by the way, it feels today in window nation is offering up sizzling savings right now. Buy one, get one free. It's window nations. Absolute best offer in its back just for three more days. Really two more days today tomorrow in the thirty first until the end of the thirty first the offer is enforce. You buy one window. You get the second free by to get two free by four. Get for free. There is no limit plus you'll get zero percent interest for five years. 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That's eight six six ninety nation or window nation dot com. I will get to Phil Chenier here in a few minutes. But back to yesterday again for moment because several of you wanna Tom and I to talk about another quote, from Louis Riddick on the John podcast and this one dealt with Dan, Snyder, and his thoughts on, Dan. Snyder is an owner. Now, listen to what Riddick said to John. He does things different. Now he is not the everyday presence that he was before. He is not the guy who used to call me and asked me to come over to his office and talked about the Roger and talk about moves and talk about strategy the same way he used to. He's not involved with it that way, he has tried to evolve in entrust people in power that he's putting the place to make those decisions I talked to him briefly before Philadelphia played Washington on Monday night, just this past year and we were doing the Monday night broadcast on the field. He came up to me, and, and we actually started talking and even in that brief conversation I could tell he's a different person than he used to be. All right. So a lot of you, I, I didn't hear that one before the show started. But a lot of asked why Tommy, and I didn't talk about that particular quote. I don't think we did. I know we didn't play maybe Tommy mentioned during the show. But I don't think we didn't. So look, it's a conversation starter another. You know, a good conversation starter. 'cause I look, I'm not sure if. Riddick was being sincere or not. I would assume that he was, I will take him for his word. You also have to consider that, for a guy like Riddick, who has we've mentioned already mentioned today has been mentioned a lot when it comes to being, you know, a potential future, NFL GM, you know, it may not be in his personal interest to criticize dance nighter. But that aside, I'll take him at his word. But I think when we think about the subject of whether or not Dan is a different owner than he was the part of the disc- that discussion really brings in a time line because it's changed. I mean, this is I'm gonna I'm gonna rip through this. This is my Dan Snyder ownership timeline in how he behaved in the moment as an owner. All right. I this is what I think it has been over the years, I may be wrong in spots, but I think I'm pro. Probably pretty close to what it's been. And I think a lot of people perhaps, on the inside would would verify all a lot of what I'm about to say. But at the beginning of Dan, Snyder's ownership, nineteen ninety nine through two thousand three. All right. The first five years he was immature. He was impulsive he was overly aggressive. He was a know it all. And it turned out to be an utter disaster start to his ownership. Those first five years, he had no idea what he was doing. He didn't treat people who worked for him very well. He didn't treat his fan base very well. He was very involved in everything the organization did, and he didn't care much, what the experienced football people that he had hired thought. In fact, he relished I believe shoving his power and authority down their throats as a young person in. His early to mid thirties at that point, his first five years of owning the Redskins were the beginning of him tarnishing. This important NFL, you know, brand, there was one thing, consistent about dance nighters I five years as owner, it came from everybody that talked about him coaches players fans media, and it was always the same, quote, Dan. Snyder wants to win. And he'll spend whatever it takes. Remember those days? I mean that was like a that was the one compliment you could give them. The only compliment you could give him. But the but it was a compliment nonetheless that he wanted to win and would spend whatever takes the problem is, is that rarely was at followed up with you know, he's also a really good owner. And he's a good leader, and he's a good decision maker, and he's a willing delegator to people with much more expertise and football. And the reason it wasn't followed up with those things is because. Those things weren't true. The only thing that he had as sort of a something that you could complement. Is he wasn't cheap as an owner, you know, that was the first stretch of ownership? That's how he was as an owner. For those first five years, then came two thousand four through two thousand seven the Joe Gibbs years. He made the move in two thousand four that was brilliant in the moment. And I personally think it still looks good to this day after the disaster of his first five years of ownership firing Marty Schottenheimer after one year hiring, you know, Steve Spurrier it was, it was one person that could calm down. What was at the time in angry fan base? This was the first Snyder rock bottom moment, and the result was anger. It wasn't apathy. Like it is now it. Was anger originally in two thousand three at the end of Spurrier second year fans had had it with Snyder, he gave them, you know, he, he had already begun the process of tarnishing what was such a, a, a winning, you know, story brand in the league in sports. But at the same time in two thousand and two thousand four he gave us us being the fan base the single biggest gift of hope that he could give he hired the most beloved the most beloved man in franchise history. Joe Jackson Gibbs, he brought Joe back to go ching. And we all thought things would be okay. Dan said all the right things. He said the franchise is now in good hands with Joe that, you know, he as a young owner had learned from his first five years, Joe had the rains now and while Joe's for years, didn't produce a Super Bowl or anything. Close to, to a Super Bowl. There was a sense for the first time that there was an adult in charge. You know the, the adult was Joe Gibbs now Gibbs probably trusted Dan in Vinnie a bit too much on the personnel side. The, the truth is Joe wasn't very good at personnel when he got involved in it his first go round, you know, in, in Washington, ultimately, you know, not having a first rate GM to work with Gibbs limited the team's upside when he was there, I think that that's obvious. But while he was there Dan took a backseat he did Vinnie told us that I've heard that before. Now he didn't take a backseat on personnel necessarily working with Vinny Joe gave them the opportunity to be involved in a lot of that. But Joe was in charge more than Dan was, Dan. Revered. Joe he you know struck gold by by convincing. Joe to come back to coaching and it was a great thing for those four years. I mean not great results better results in anybody else's had under Snyder. But it was probably to that point, the least involved that Dan was in the day to day of the organization, then came two thousand eight and two thousand nine Snyder reeling from gibbs's retirement, which was a surprise retirement in many ways. The two thousand eight and, and really was probably a result of his grandson being ill more than it, even was about Sean Taylor's death in, in two thousand seven. But if you recall the two thousand eight coaching candidate, pool wasn't very strong, and Jim zone went from a quarterbacks coach to an OC to a head coach in a matter of days. And by the way, from the jump that was going to be a train wreck. Dan, blamed Vinnie for it became the second. Second rock-bottom moment, this time, it became clear that, that many in the fan base weren't just angry that they were beginning to not care as much, you know, and those that still cared begged for the adults, you know. So he fired Vinnie? He hired Bruce, who was perceived to be an adult. And then he hired Mike Shanahan, who was also perceived to be an adult and then came twenty ten through twenty fourteen because hiring Bruce was as Cooley has said before, to me that was Dan's attempt to become a different owner, or an owner, similar to the owner that he was with Gibbs a better owner, who would rely on Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan, but he couldn't help himself when it came to his star players or star players on other teams he wanted McNabb the coach didn't he dealt for McNabb. He wanted Griffin and then forged a relationship with RG three and his family that made. Made a very immature very self absorbed, young man. The second most important person in the organization and that decision by the owner that relationship between owner and quarterback. Sabotaged two seasons. Twenty thirteen in twenty fourteen were completely completely undermined by the owner, thrown away, by the owner that became rock-bottom moment on knows that number three or number four. I've lost count, then Bruce L and clueless. Nece to what the fan base thought of him in twenty fifteen not realizing that the fan base was sort of lumping him into being a co conspirator in the downfall of the franchise, you know, may dumb ass comments like were winning off the field. So Dan's like, we can't we gotta bring somebody else in. So they hired Scott McClellan to give the fans. You know something? That they could sort of sink their teeth into a season talent evaluator, he was sold to us as the team's general manager. Because at that point, we realize Bruce, wasn't a very good, GM, and McLean was like this one, stop shop for roster creation and management and draft in free agency. But really what he was was just a glorified head scout. The draft was primarily his, he participated in other conversations about things like, you know the quarterback but he had personal demons and that would make it tough on him. And on Dan and Bruce, you know, but, but Dan, light Scott initially, and Bruce, you know, there was some insecurity there with Scott. Then came twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen two seasons of injuries. Yes. Lots of injuries. But so much more. You know there was the off the field. You know, one flood after another the submarine of mcluhan to the. Washington Post the handling of cousins. I not having enough vision to sign him to a deal that would have looked like a bargain, and then not having the vision to trade him when it became obvious that the team didn't want him. And he didn't want to be here. You know, that was dumb, you know, Dan's role during the post RG three era twenty fifteen through twenty eighteen I do believe was less involved. You know, I'd been told over and over again that he wasn't nearly as involved, you know, in that twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen stretch, you know, he was brought in for big money decisions like Josh Norman, but, you know, he had some trust in Bruce, you know, and for a brief moment mcluhan, and I think you know, he took a bit of a back seat. I felt that way during the during that, that those years, the post RG three years, I thought he took a little bit of a backseat as much as he can anyway for a few years. And I think that that's maybe more than anything Riddick was referred. Hiring to is that until, you know, twenty nineteen started and untalkative about January first twenty nineteen that he had taken a bit of a back seat a little bit. But the twenty nineteen season. I'm sorry. The twenty eighteen season, the Philadelphia game, the lack of attendance, the sinking television ratings, the looking at Bruce J and Doug, and Eric and, you know, all of their penny pinching, you know, signings over the years. They're, they're bargain basement. You know, hey, look at me. I just got a great contract with an average player. You know, they he realized and I said this, you know, after the Philadelphia game, he realizes that his precious business is being run into the ground that is precious business is being alienated by a what once was a very loyal fan base. You could sense it after that Philadelphia game that and I think what we've seen in twenty nineteen is the return of Dan, you know, from the big. Money, free agent, signing and landing Collins to the attempts to get Tony Brown or golden Tate, or CJ Moseley, and for sure the drafting of Haskins against the wishes of his football staff. This is sort of old Dan coming back. That's my belief is he different owner. I think that he was from twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen I think he was during the Gibbs era in that was slightly that, you know, that was different than the first five years, and the post RG, three era was, you know, also a little bit different. But, you know, let's, let's not forget that the league the league as recently as a year ago, stepped in and encouraged him to hire Brian Lafon meter lav Amina to run the business of the Redskins. That was just a year ago. The league was so concerned about the erosion of the Redskin fan base that they really encourage Dan to hire who they thought was a top level executive. To come in and start to repair the, the brand and bring back the fan base that didn't work did it may look maybe he's a better evaluator of quarterbacks than he was when he picked Patrick Ramsey or traded for McNabb or fell in love with our g three. Maybe he'll get this one, right? Time will tell you know, I I you know, as far as Dan being different owner forever. He's had the swings you know of being a terrible owner and then deferring a little bit, too gives to being terrible owner again to deferring a little bit too Bruce and Mike. And then Bruce J in airi'q in Knin Doug right now. I think he's in the mode of trying to revive a business that has tanked. And he feels like he's the one that can do it more than any buddy else. That's what I believe. I that's he's been a failure is an owner for twenty years at time significantly involved and at other times, not as much, but nothing's. Worked for him. And I think he is back into that stage of being intimately involved. That's where I think he is. Now, does it guarantee him being more involved at that it won't work for him moving forward? No, it's not a guarantee he may have struck gold with Haskins that can change the fortunes of franchise. But would you bet on him succeeding, as an owner, moving forward, probably not quick word about stamps dot com? 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And I think your opinion on all this stuff is super sharp. But first of all, you know, how many of us have missed you here in, in recent months and over the last year. How are you doing? I'm onto a fun. I'm still going through withdrawals. But, you know, things change, and you got to adapt. So appreciate the kind sentiment cares doing a great job. And hopefully she and buck will be back next. Yeah. I think. All of us are hoping for that. And certainly owes miss the way it used to be. All right. So I there's so much about these NBA finals that I personally find it interesting. But before we get to that I was thinking, one of the reasons I was thinking about you recently is. And I don't think that Golden State has played that way recently. And I think even Toronto is does things a little bit more old school at times, but I was curious with all of the ice. Oh ball in the NBA that we've watched here over the years. Phil was there is so ball back in, in your day when when playing with Elvin and Wests and and, and competing for championships. I remember Dick Motta and Casey Jones, there was just a lot more five-man offenses, so to speak in the. Yeah, yeah, I would Kim to agree keeping my evidence than forty years ago. So I forgot the few. But you're right. I think that we had, you know, option that would go from one to maybe even four and depending on what you're pulling took away. You knew the look for that next option. The one player I do remember was my play. They called the onc-, but I would curl off of west. But I would I would usually read if the defensive I felt the defense was going over the top, I might give him a strong and then go back doors, if that didn't work I, I didn't have the time or the luxury then double back in play. So sometimes I would clear out, which would take the play away and maybe Elvin was in a position or west was in a position to post up then so or you'd have some other weakside action with Mike Reardon or spoon on the other side. So, yeah. Now, when I remember defending with Golden State. In that particular series was that, you know, they I still don't think I sold Rick berry, but they created an opportunity for him to utilize one on one skills. And we had opportunities. We would try to eat a clothes drive or double team. But he was an excellent passer to so and it's funny when you say that I was thinking the same thing about Milwaukee, and that was there that was their big problem, right? That they tried ice. Oh, Janas, and honest still is not an efficient shooter from the outside. So now he felt more as the series went on. He felt more and more pressure to try and get to the rim. And, you know, and spend, you know, it's, it's, it's a great move when you spend, but it's dangerous because with second, you have your back to the not only to the basket, but you have your back to certain defensive players that can come from. The blind side. So I just filled in that last series that Toronto, did a much better job of taking away something that Milwaukee had done most of the season and was very good at doing took that away. It was like Milwaukee didn't have a plan b. Yeah, it really didn't. It's so interesting listening to you speak because you're you're going through something that rarely happens in the NBA. Right. You know, it doesn't happen in basketball, lots much more the college and high school level than at the NBA, but you're talking about right? My options not there. Then we go to you their elven or west on the post, and then we've got an option for reared ner or Weatherspoon for Nick Weatherspoon. And it's like you just, you know, I watched we all watched you know, Houston come down court four player stands still not make their defender, even move and watch James harden, go one on one on probably forty to fifty percent. Of their possessions. And as I watched it, I always wonder what people like you think. Well, I will say this, given, though, don't you feel like Golden State is a little different and that they have movement going all over the place and that's why you see players might be Klay. It might be Steph, it might be K D might be Draymond cutting down the middle all of a sudden, because they've got a defender that's turned his head for that split second and they're utilizing that opening. And you have passers that can that understand those lanes, and where those passes are going to be if that's the case, and they can deliver the past. That's what I really enjoy watching Golden State. I just don't think that you can can can defensively just sit on them and it spec to be able to stop them. And I tell you something else giving I I really enjoyed watching not so much Lakers watching the bulls when. They have the triangle offense because I thought that that the same thing it took advantage of a defendant. That was either sleeping or overplaying, and they had different options. You run that triangle, you have people cutting off. So as a defendant, you had to stay with that cutter. So now all of a sudden Jordan turns around, he's got an isolation. Let second and it's not you're not gonna be able to back somebody down because health come them. But if you face your opponent and drive right by them quickly. Then you're going to get that lane that you see before the defense can collapse. You know it's interesting because I think first of all, I think you're right about the teams you mentioned, the, the warriors and the way they have moved the ball and the pace they play at. I think pop Spurs played, you know, four and five men offenses much more great. I think some of those Celtics teams you know the one the the the teams that won the team that won the title with Garnett and, and. And Ray Allen and Paul Pearson Rajon Rondo, I think they were much more of a foreign five-man offense. But one of the but you'll understand this the when you make people work defensively. It makes it easier for you defensively on the other end 'cause you're, you're, you're wearing them out, and I watch Houston, and you watch, you know, four defensive players essentially get to take a break. Now there's some trapping and, and there's some there's some help and you also see Phil so much more than I would imagine we did in your day. And I don't know that this is true, but I'll ask you. But so many teams play five men that can switch every single scream, which makes it difficult sometimes office. Absolutely the wars of very good at that they have confidence even though you may be giving up a couple of inches here, they're you know, they're going to do that. And when they get that's the thing about it is, when you have the opportunity double team, you don't just leave somebody that's spotted up in three. But if you're in territory and his driver come down. Now you trap that guy and you make that pass wherever he's gonna pass a difficult one. So if it's a week past maybe get a deflections or if it's if it's a lot past you have time to get, you know, to readjust, but, you know, the one thing that I will say, different Kevin is the three point shot and, or the fact that guys today, shoot three's even further out. So you have that much more territory to recover. If you have to start, rotating, you know, you give trapping now, you rotate out now you don't have enough time. Sometimes to get to that shoot because, you know, they're fifteen ten fifteen feet away. And and these guys are knocking down shots with a high high percentage. I think you just made the, the best point doesn't get made often enough. When people talk about the benefits of shooting threes, it's not just that in the example of Golden State that they shoot threes, they shoot threes. You know, Steph curry can shoot him from thirty feet. He'll pull up from thirty five feet and it changes the geometry changes the floor and the spacing of the floor. Now, if you run it him, there's a wide open floor for him to pump faking go by you. And now you, you know, you're you're five on four defensively, it's such a great point that isn't made in you know, 'cause I'm talking to one of the greater shooters in the history of the game you were just such a pure jump shooter. And, you know, it's always been interesting to me about say the last ten to fifteen years is. That, you know, a thirty five to thirty eight foot jump shot is a jump shot. It's not a Chuck, it's not a hero. And I'm wondering when you were playing, and you pulled up from just inside half court wasn't that more of just shucking towards the rim? Why is it that, that Steph curry and his, you know, wrist strength? There is leg strength, or whatever it is that creates the ability for him to go up from that deep and shoot a regular jump shot for him couple things come to mind. First of all, play the stronger. Now, keeping my back in the sixties and seventies players, did not get in the weight room. And so you have players that a little stronger. Look, I remember Gilbert arenas. Look at Bradley Beal. I mean we've guys are chip, John wall and Klay Thompson Lehman Lillard. I mean I can go on and on. You know, but the other thing that's important is the fact that they practice those shots. Why would we practice a half core? The basis we weren't getting, but two point that's right. And we felt like we could get closer and get a higher percentage shot. But these guys practicies shots now and it's funny because just like Damian Lillard, you know, Paul George saying that's a terrible shot. Yeah. It might be considered a lower percentage shot. But it's not a terrible shot because guys today can make those kind of shots, you know, and they, they, they deal with the math of it. In terms of the arc is notice how many players not shooting the ball at the rim. But Arkan that shot up Dame does curry does, as well obviously better than anybody. But, but you know there's a lot of art to the shot too. So it's not when you get that ball up in the air. It's not quite as far as if you shooting that line drive shot. Yeah. No doubt, I'm by the way you made the comment about weightlifting back in your day. Was it discouraged more for upper body and arms because it was thought that, you know, you'll ruin your your? Your stroke. You're shooting stroke that was the fear that was the concern. And I don't think you had a no, you didn't have as many specialists basketball specialists that knew how to coordinate weightlifting with the physical mechanics of basketball player. You know, you always think about football players that used the weight training to get stronger, and that, but there was that concern that, you know, you would lose your shooters touch. And now you have people that coming in that are knowledgeable about how. Kevin. They've got guys. I mean on every team on a regular basis that do weight training before game. They know how to do it. So it doesn't petite the muscles, and they can maintain you know, their strength. But yet, they're feel and they're touching around with the basketball, so. Yeah, that was a concern then and I know Westwood would go in there. But you know, west one shooter. Right. But the way times, you know, his upper body strength looked like he was the guy that was lifting weights. Before we get to the NBA finals. I wanna talk about the Toronto Milwaukee series in particular, and get two quiet moment. But you mentioned Jaanus earlier. You talked about him in, in an isos situation just not being able to shoot it well enough. And, and therefore, you had a defense waiting on him to drive in Toronto did a great job with that. He wasn't a very good. Facilitator, I also noticed. And I was wondering if you noticed the same thing, the other night that he got a little scared for the lack of a better description, he air balled. A little floater at the end of game six from four five feet out. It was. I mean it was three feet short on a four foot shine. And I don't know that he shot again the rest of the way you know about it. This was his first time being at that level. Right. Regardless of what you say. I remember my first time playing in the garden in the playoff, it affected me it. You know, the nurse where little stronger, a little bit more powerful, you know, I mean, I think you always have nerves but some. Sometimes you're eight when you start playing the adrenaline kind of smooths everything out. You're able to just do allow your instincts to take over. But this is his first time playing on that level. Plus I do feel like he was getting warmer frustrated, because again, I just think that Toronto was doing a really good job of making things difficult for him. And making him more often than not go to plan B which was a parameter game. And he knew that wasn't his strength. You also shot at least two airballs from the land. I know. So, so some of that's not some of that is nerve in some of that is just the sheer pressure of being that level, trying to, to get over the top, but not being able to, to adequately take care of that. You know, also in, you'll understand this and I could be wrong, but guys with super big hands. You know, Dr J had massive, you know, hand size so. Sometimes that stroke is a bit erratic. It's like right. It's almost like if I were to take an Jim pickup game with all my old men, friends that we play twice a week, if I were to taking a feet, a women's basketball, which is smaller, and try to shoot it, it's very awkward, and that could be the issue with the honest to I think lebrons had some issues over the years at the free throw line to do you think hand size has anything to do with it. I do. But I pay one who contradicts that theory, I Leonard. Absolutely huge fan. In fact, I was talking with a buddy of mine the other day. And I said, I mean he grabs a ball. I kinda used to do kinda Hawkin and I mean off the dribble with the meth or the right the dunk. The left-handed donkey had the other night. He just, you know, first of all, it was funny because Lowery looked like he had a layup and kudos to Hawaii for Ronald running. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise. You know what I wanted? Yeah. Yeah. But, but he just grabbed up with the left hand moved it over. So Jaanus couldn't get it and threw it down. And he shoes. Very good free. Those, it's a flat or stroke, though. Right. It it's, it's a bit of a flat stroke from the free throw line for is with is it is. But even his jump shot little implant is a little flat. You know now that that's the game winning shot. He had against Philadelphia. He. In the corner and fading away. So he had arc that a little higher. Right. And he got a very as they say, for to just about. Yes. I wanna talk about him because the numbers say he's in the midst of one of the greatest all time individual playoff performances in NBA history. What are your is telling you? You know, I, I agree with. Yes. For to make simple. But this is what I really reflect on. He if you look at him, especially when he's been healthy, he really hasn't taken a back seat to anybody. The last time he was in the NBA finals. They were playing Miami with the Bronx and he was with San Antonio. They took him. He was MVP. He was amazing the last time he was actually in the playoffs was with Golden State. They were up on Golden State. I remember when he got hurt he went out, Golden State made a run came back and won the game. And they're twenty five. They were up twenty five in the first half when he when he landed on Pachulia foot, so I would not, you know, I still think Golden State has to be favored, it really hurts them that Kevin Durant. You don't no way he's not gonna play in game one and you don't know how available he's going to be, or how healthy gonna be. And why is to me that expert there, there are a lot of things that are falling in the place in this, first of all, they're starting Toronto, which could help them a Golden State's been off for nine days. Sometimes you can lose your ED's, you know. And like I said, I just think that, that cool, why is an x factor. And he can do so much and that can flow in other players. The Arkham you know, other players hopefully Kosovo was show. He was a no show in that last series. And, you know, I mean they, they went to the the efforts of trading for him. They gave up a couple of good players and for him to be a no show in, in a big series like that, you know, thank goodness they had go. I lettuce on Leonard one more thing on Leonard. You know, he, he does it in such a way there have been examples of players like this over the years, but it's, it's you, you, you look up and it's late third quarter early fourth quarter and you're like he's twenty five already in twelve rebounds, and eight assists. You know, it's quiet way in which he does it now he said incredible fourth quarters end of, of game finishes here during the postseason. But, you know, he's nobody seems to be able to speed him up fill ins, and we certainly know that Golden State would love to play fast and speed him up. How is he so effective at being patient getting his spots and, and making the right plays at his speed? You know, I don't know what on with him down in San Antonio. But I believe that a lot of where he is now is due to his experience, playing under Popovich playing with Tim Duncan Tony Parker playing with that organization there. And getting a feel for his type of game for his type of rhythm. And he, he is brought that confidence with him. I didn't I didn't know if that would be the case he you know, he didn't play most of last year. And, you know, I just wondered if he would get stale if he would lose some of his confidence, but that clearly has not been the case, and he's a player now that he has that confident he feels like he can do and go anywhere on the basketball court. Any can he has his ball ham, skills, have not really been? Mentioned as much as I think it should I saw him dribbling fruit traffic, you know, crossing over switching hands and doing things that, you know, only little God, somebody like a Muggsy Bogues would do because he's loaded ground ball, but he's able he has great rate hands not only big end, but great hands and turns of his handle, so, you know, he's able to, to, to see the game see the floor and like I said before, you know, nobody has, has as bettered him over the latte, when he's very right than healthy. Nobody's better him in the last year for. It's like people almost forgot about him. I remember last year when it became apparent that San Antonio might trade him, and as a huge lifelong bullets wizards fan, I just said, I would trade the entire team for quite Leonard because you know what? And I and I repeat this often did on radio and on this podcast in this day and age of the NBA you can't. Win a title or even legitimately contend for one. If you don't have a top five player, and he was a top five player, who was available. I mean, how often does that happen, you know, and the wizard and the wizards don't have that, you know, they don't they don't have a top five player, will, I would I would I would agree with you, to, to an extent in that is their top five players because they continue to get there. And you, you develop an image of, of clay of Draymond green of, of a of a Steph curry, you know, and now you believe because you see them every year playing at that level plan, you know, with that level of officiency. And I think that, you know, somebody like Bradley Bill in, in certainly hope the job wall could come back healthy and find a way to. They still haven't found a way to really combined really combined their talents at a very high. Level. We saw bits and pieces of it. But, you know, those are the things that will change your image. Well, well, John is the top five brands top five play, but they have to get to that level and, and consistently show. You know the players and the skills they have, and that's quite done. You're right. We forgot about why. Because for hold year whenever sawing. So and I say, one other thing yet one other thing I wanna mention that is it. And I've had so many people in, in almost forgot about it. I limit is one of the few players, if not the only player that doesn't seem to complain when calls go against him even bad 'cause he just turns the ball over. And that's kind of refreshing. I'm gonna tell you the truth, some he's he is. He's unflappable shack and Barkley the other night. Both said it almost simultaneously. He is a drama free superstar. There's no drama and. Yeah, I love I, I love that too. I mean it is refreshing on Golden State, obviously, they wanna title without Durant, and they could be well on their way to winning another one without him if he doesn't play in the finals. I know he was part of the clipper series in the early part of the Houston series, but they are six no without him. So obviously they can win a title without him. But the, the bigger question that's been asked by everybody. That's an NBA fan here over the last two weeks is are they actually better without him? No. And better. Because with him they've got that much more options defensively as well as offense at don't forget, how good gay did defensively and just like you mentioned. He's one of those guys that he can rotate over all of a sudden he might be guarding Damian Lillard, or he might be garden, the joker, you know. I mean he, he has that in and his shot blocking, because of his links, and he seems to be willing think about how many games out because of the season this can happen in a playoff where you, you look at those stats and Klay had eight points and maybe Steph had twenty well hot. They win and you look up and eighty forty. Yeah. Or you might see a game where K D had eighteen and Steph had twelve why Klay at forty five. You know so that I mean with k d. To have that many more weapons, and I don't know how they get on get along off the floor. But on the floor their game complements each other, and they seem to be more than willing to, to understand who has the hot hand who has this mess. They wanna go to. And if you ask me, I'm biased because from the bay area, they're going to a new arena. They're playing in front of sellouts. It's the greatest city in the world. Why would you you're winning championships? Why would you know okay? You can go someplace else and make another three or four day. Maybe it's me. Maybe I just don't have that kind of desire to be the one guy on a team. I don't have a problem with that. I would love to play on that team. And I can't see anybody changing clay K D, Draymond, I, I would I would see I hope to see that team. Stay together for years. But it may not happen with where you are, right. That is the greatest city in this country and you up there and the rest of us just, you know, occasionally, maybe visited, but it's a phenomenal city and they're moving into San Francisco. So I just like you know what when it comes to Durant fill. He jumped the here's here's the reality. He jumped on an already existing championship team. You can certainly argue he made it better and made it a true dynasty by winning the last two but he hasn't gotten, you know, perhaps the credit that he look LeBron to Cleveland to the finals by himself. Something that Katy couldn't do with harden, N Westbrook. Wait got him to the finals, but couldn't win a title against Miami. And then and then we're down young. They were young, but may be for him. You know, he got these championships with Golden State and the next challenge. Hinge is to be the obviously dog not that he is Grayton in arguably the best player on that team. But there's that team also has Steph curry and Klay Thompson. Draymond green will again. Kevin. That, that's totally different way of looking and thinking. And I I'm not I'm not that I never was that one guy. No, you weren't baby. But, but I have no problem with being part of a team. With Bobby Dandridge, Elvin Hayes, Tommy Henderson, and, you know, west on sale and, you know, all and in group that we had, I have no problem in that. And you know, when my time comes to sign, I felt like I do that, you know, but it's a totally different mentality. Now, it is it is so many players my guys might team. And it was at that time, it was off guide. My teammates and our team. You know it wasn't like. These guys are complimenting me. We're, we're came to complement each other. So I don't I don't buy the fact that K D is still illegitimate. He's one not only to championships. He's won two MVP's. One scoring titles. He's won MVP. He's in no way illegitimate to me. But that's just my way of looking at it. I love when you start talking about your team because for people my age. That's the only that was the time for professional basketball in this town. And, you know the other night I was sitting there with one of my sons watching Toronto, Milwaukee game six, and I said, God, the atmosphere in that building is almost college. Like in my son said, do you think it would could ever be that way for the wizards? And I said, yes, because I remember being in that capital center, you know four game six against Seattle before you guys went to the seventh and deciding game. Or, you know, the I'll never forget, when you guys beat the Sixers to go to the NBA finals and in the Eastern Conference finals. That was, you know, this, this is a basketball town in so many ways. So I, I hope it happens. One day on. On the gimme Ken Toronto win this series. And if so, how I think they can, and it's going to be one of those time again, I keep refer reflecting back earlier this year. And I know regular season is different from the playoffs. But how many times the warriors fell flat in game? And in Oakland, you know, I mean they have to three games where they got blown out by easy, double digits going, you know, but, you know things can happen. Things can change the, the like I said nine days off. I'm sure is the author is trying to prepare his players Bessie can make sure that they're fit go in for this final series and close out. But I just think quite Linnet is an ex actor and, you know, these great players can do great things, and, and just the prize, you in, you know, I can point back to the year that. In seventy five when we were supposed to win it all. And Rick Perry just showed out. He was we knew he was great player. But, but he took it to another level. And then he was able to elevate the field Smith jobs. Johnson, the Dudley that dare Dicky's all those guys, you know, Clifford Ray Ray was gonna. Yeah. They ended up rolling right through it, Jim. Oh, young Jamaal Wilkes. Yeah, I got about them all. Yeah. So, you know, go to say half favored there's no question about it. But I just wouldn't discount this Toronto team, especially with playing the way, just so people who don't know instant don't remember a can't remember because they weren't alive at the, the bullets were that is still to this day. I believe the biggest upset and NBA finals history. In terms of the odds the bullets. Were a prohibitive favorite? They were supposed to smoke Golden State no, seventy four seventy five and then in the nineteen seventy five finals, Golden State was a surprise team in in the bullets had had the best record during the regular season. They, you know, had won sixty games had beaten Boston in the Eastern Conference finals, and was was they a team that was supposed to roll past Golden State and the bullets got swept in that series. It was certainly my biggest disappointment out about the odds makers wanted me. Yeah. You know, I, I mean, that series is of a available. I don't know if you've ever watched it, it's on YouTube. You can find all most of the four games, including the deciding game in the one that was really close in maybe the cow palace, because I think they had to move it to the cow palace go. The you know we played one gain here. And then we played then games out there and then we were prepared to play to here and then one and then the seven game back right at the capital centre, but yeah, we play both the games out there to Calcutta. Yeah. You you lead and just pulled up the series stats. You lead the bullets scoring in that series. You ever GE twenty three ah game? But it was certainly a disappointment for the bullets let last thing about Steph curry because I don't know that I've asked you. This the la- in previous times that I've had you on Steph curry to me is the best shooter and ball handler in one body in NBA history. Is there anybody that's been better as a combined shooter and ball handler in one body? I can't think of one you know, you know, I I've heard people mentioned tiny Archibald. But I don't think nine shoot. It had this shot. Yeah. I don't think that. And again, he didn't have a range, because he didn't need the rains, because we weren't shooting threes back the what about Marivan? I don't think marriage was accurate. He had range, but and he certainly had handles. No question about it. But he wasn't as accurate as, as Steffi is I mean, keep in mind. Steph is shooting forty percent for his career from three point rains, and most of his shots are three over half. It sounds threes. So that's that's and, and let's not forget that when you do play him tight out on the floor. Like we said earlier, he has the ability with his handles, not only the dribble pass you, but the get to the rim and finished with either hand off the wrongfoot, whatever Kate and make the finish those layups to. So he's got such great feel around the rim in he's, he's, he's kind of. Revamped the game in that, you know, you see if x of a player statue if you remember when he first came in the league, you know, he's too frail he's not strong enough. You know, he won't he won't stand up under NBA a schedule and the physical play. But not only has he stood up. I mean he's out and he's made a huge difference in like I said, I think all to the game when I've had that conversation with others asking that question. The only one that comes to my mind is Isaiah. Isaiah had the handle on. And I think I had head three point shooting been, you know, accepted in the way it is today not only three point shooting. But as you described earlier the length of the shot, I think is area would have been a great long range three point shooter there. I you know, sometimes when you thinking so hard, you're missing gap. And but I agree with you. One hundred percent. I they had those skills that ball ham field. He certainly was an excellent shooter in that rain. Right. But at that time, threes were still just developed, right? And you know he may have shot two or three game. And usually they were using those to end a quarter. They were taking three at the end of quarter. But now I mean guys are stepping back to shoot threes. You know, they're faking like they're going in and coming back, but I agree with is Ahah had get have complemented that game. How good would how good of a three point shooter, would you have been and let me just say this? 'cause you won't say it for yourself but Phil had one of the most beautiful jump shots you've ever seen. He was one of the best in the game. You were a phenomenal shooter, you could shoot off the dribble. You're incredible catching it off as screen with the quick. Release the whole thing. You didn't play with a three point shot. Maybe you're last season but you were injured towards the end of your career. What kind of three point shooter would you have been, well, it, would it would have been one that I would have had to practice but based on the mentality. And that's goes back to something. I always argue it's so hard to compare somebody in the fifty or sixty to somebody today, because the whole mentality is different. But I would have practice that shot, I think I would have gotten comfortable with it. I'll give example. I think Jeff Vallone is a good example when he first came into the league he was a cure shooter, and he was very, very efficient with the mid range shot, but more and more, the threes got so he evolved, and he got the shooting at three point shot towards the end of his great when he went to Utah and whatnot. So I would like all I can say is that I would have practice. Because you get the extra point, but more importantly it opens up the floor. So you have somebody playing guarding out there. And let's, let's be real. You know, today defenders can't hand check the where they used to write. So little light field Chenier at one eighty. Now, sudden, you can't hand check me out there. I can utilize a little more quickness to get around somebody, so you know, I would like to think that I would practice that. But it's like anything else will never know, barbershop trying to think of back then. And this was probably. I mean you run the team with Kevin greenie. But, you know, he played beyond your career here in Washington and, and other places. He he was probably on the when the three point shot came in, and you were probably gone at that point, if my memory serves me record from here with, with the back injuries that you had he was really the one marksman. You know, for for the team there for the beginning stages of the three point shot in the NBA. Right. And Kevin funny, we laugh with each other. He was like me. I mean he loves he loves shooting the ball. Yeah he did. But let's face it at that time, three point shooting wasn't quite as acceptable. Right. And he had Elvin Hayes. He had Bobby, Dan Rutz. And he had a coast by name, a Dick Motta. It wasn't real crazy about loan perimeter shot. And in his whole concept was list, this get it inside. Okay. If we can't do that you get you give these parameters shooters there shots. But we're gonna make sure that Wes Elvin and Bobby inside dalit knits. They, they get their both. They get some touches down there. You know. So even then, even though Kevin had the rain, he didn't get the shoot that often you know, and he better be making them because. This would be pulling them out, real quick. Well, I mean the goal of almost any basketball coach at any level during that time was to, to manufacture via the offense or plays, a shot is close to the rim as possible, because those were the highest percentage shots so to completely different game. I always enjoy this. I really appreciate the time, and I enjoyed the conversation about your day, sometimes even more than what you think of today's players in today's finals, but I have a, you know, you're back ball, 'cause you sometimes you remind me thank that. I forgotten, so I joined, well, it's always fun. And I think the I'm really looking forward to this series. Maybe it's because it's not Cleveland, Golden State. We got something new this year. But I'm watching quite Leonard and how he'll, you know, I think Toronto needs, they have to have the other players. Up like they have like they did in the last series. I think that's the guy like Kyle Lowry and Siaka them and as you mentioned, assault and, you know, their bench players that came up big. They gotta have big series of they're going to be Golden State, but Lutely question. Thanks, take care, and hopefully, we'll talk soon. Absolutely anytime. Kevin love catching up with Phil Chenier. Always he it's really fun. And I know this isn't for everybody. But for those of you of a certain age, it's great to hear him. Talk about some of the old games old teams that he played on those were the teams of of my youth, and they were great. You know this, this town as a professional basketball town Aaron in the nineteen seventies, you know, they were a lot to be in the postseason each year. They were always a contender to make it to the NBA finals in Washington, when they moved to Washington in seventy three. Three they went to the NBA finals in nineteen seventy five nineteen seventy eight and nineteen seventy nine. And in those other years, they were a contender to get there. They were thought you know they, they were really good team. And they had NBA hall of famers on the team. I mean west on Selden Elvin Hayes were both, you know, in that initial list of the top, fifty greatest players NBA history. They were on the list and Phil Chenier didn't have back trouble, which he had in a day and age in which they couldn't handle, you know, back issues, you know, with the kind of surgery and treatments that are available today, he would have had a longer career and potentially a hall of fame career. He was that good as, as a bullet in particular a quick word about launch workplaces and then a recommendation for all of you launch workplaces in Bethesda is open. 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Always appreciate that subscribe, as well doesn't cost you anything and remind people that haven't listened that they can listen by simply going to the Kevin. Dan, show dot com. Here's my recommendation for all of you. It is a documentary two parts called. What's my name? It's about Muhammad Ali, it is in H, B, O show, the executive producers of the show or LeBron James, and maverick Carter, his business manager. But it was I think directed by Antoine few Kwa. I think is his name, but in there've been so many Ali documentaries over the years. This was as good as any of them. I have ever watched. I watched both parts they're both just over an hour. There is from my standpoint, I don't know if this is accurate or not. But there appears to be more film on Ali from various points in his career that, that, that seems to be new to me, but it's a very intimate look into Ali. And again we've seen this. So many times with him. I don't know that there's been a human being that is been documented more than I'll Lee in, you know, books or movies or documentaries. He's quite honestly, in my lifetime, the most famous human being, you know, in, in, in my lifetime in one of the most famous human beings that have ever walked the face of the earth, and I, I enjoyed this, there was much more of the feeling of the day, which I am told was much more accurate that, that cashes clay was despised by a lot of people in this country, certainly the old guard and this was before he refused to, to go into the army for the Vietnam war. He was very unique in the way that he obviously talked into the had the nickname, the Louisville lip. And people didn't like that. They thought it was, you know, outspoken was, you know, the equivalent to, you know, lacking in class, but, you know, I think a lot of people know, the story that there was a famous wrestler, who Ali, essentially imitated, he watched this crazy wrestler, a crazy, George is this Georgia's short. Exactly gorgeous George and that this was his inspiration to behave the way he behaved. And he said, people hate gorgeous George, but they're buying tickets, they're spending money on tickets. You see a lot of, of his early portion of his careers. The I think a lot of those fights are available, but you see them again the fight with Ernie Terrell, which was really the fight where he screamed at Ernie Terrell throughout the fight. What's my name because Terrell wouldn't call him a Hamad Ali referred doom. It's cashes clay in the same way that, that, that. Floyd Patterson did. And you know, back then, you know, Cosell was at the beginning of sort of calling his fights, and, you know, it was considered to be mean spirited in the way that he, you know, toyed with, with the great Floyd Patterson through a, a long fight and punished him. And then he did the same thing with Terrell and said a knocking him out. We'll all he wasn't a knockout artist that wasn't really who he was on. There's obviously a lot on the first Frazier fight, which is considered the sporting event of the twentieth century, no other sporting event in terms of the hype or, or the actual event itself matches the March eighth nineteen seventy-one Ali Frazier one fight. But then, you know, for the purposes of, of, of unbelievable sports, upsets nothing equals other than Tyson, losing to Buster Douglas nothing before Douglas over Tyson. Equal clay overlay. In the fight in nineteen sixty four his first title fight, where he was an eight to one underdog and Sonny liston would punish people and really hadn't gone beyond two rounds knocked out, everybody. He was also controlled by the mafia and clay predicted that he would win an eight and, you know, there was the only -ment on sunny listens. Gloves that got into ALI'S is, which apparently was intentional and Ali didn't wanna come out for, I think it was the fifth round in Angelo, Dundee push them out and said, just, just move until he was able to clear his is in and then he punished listed, enlisted. You know, listen, didn't get off his stool to get to, to, to, to fight him in the eighth round. And it was a stunning upset at the time, February twenty fifth nineteen sixty four I mean one of the all time, sports shockers, and then it was after that fight that he announced that he was, you know, a member of the Muslim faith in that in. You know, the honorable Elijah Muhammad was was his guy in Malcolm X was a friend of his in the Malcolm, X was assassinated in, and I'll Lee entered the, the, the rematch with Sonny liston. They had defied it and lewiston Maine for a lot of reasons, but there are major security concerns in that fight, and that was the, the famous phantom punch fight, which he actually did and you can see it. He hit liston whether or not it should knocked out list in is another story. But listen, didn't want any part of Ali in a you get the whole build up to the to the form and fight in, you know, how daunting form and was and what a big upset that was and you get everything it was just very well done. It's, it's not, you know, a lot of it is, is a sensually narrated by his words in the words of others. You know, you know, sound from from all the people of the day, there's not a lot of narration above that, but it is well done. So if you're. A sports fan, but it has sent but certainly a boxing fan or an Ali fan. It's called. What's my name, and it's available on demand on HBO. I think at aired maybe a month ago. I don't know maybe even more recently than that. But it is a excellent tomorrow, Tommy's with me, Tim Legler will be on the show as well. We'll preview the NBA finals the Redskins have some oh, ta days and they will start hearing from Jay Gruden this week a little bit more as well. Have a great day.

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Is Kyler The Key?

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Is Kyler The Key?

"Pardon the interruption? But I'm Mike wilbon, Tony scientists say the universities expanding faster than anyone thought, you know, where this is going. Don't you? I'm Tony Heiser. Everything is trying to get away from your rain. That's so funny. Do you know, this is no it is only Dom. It's actually funny. And when Frank I sold his here. There's honest laughter. Not you. Delilah. What David for win? Dylan Frank is here. Probably the way it will go to week of jor wasn't PTI boys and girls in today's episode. The giants picket Dookie twain Haskins falls to Washington and the home run celebration you need to see. But we begin today with the aftershock of Cuyler Murray being selected number one overall last night by the Arizona Cardinals. It is now being reported by pro football talk that the cardinals of close to dumping incumbent quarterback. Josh Rosen himself a top ten draft pick last year to the Miami. Dolphins for a second round pick tonight will bind this is one of your home teams. Are you sure the cardinals are better off today than they were yesterday? No, no. You can't be sure of anything, and I know, you know, this and if you'd like to act like Amelie persons with things to draft is preposterous. You just sit here off camera. Before we went on. And you sit nobody knows nobody nobody nobody. Nobody knows. Nobody knows about the cardinals. I mean, just a two years ago. People pick the cardinals to be a threat to get to the Super Bowl, maybe third three years ago. And now they're in this quarterback. Hell they can't figure out who to draft who to sign who to keep who to trade. And you gotta think this kid from UCLA's gonna be traded tonight tonight. I think I am sure what I'm going to say, I'm gonna take take aside. The nobody knows about drafting the Arizona Cardinals must love cliff Kingsbury. This is a guy with a losing record as a college coach, and he came in here, and he said I wanna five nine quarterback. And I don't care when you draft to Josh Rosen and anointed him last year as your franchise quarterback. He's in gots to go because I've got to have Cuyler Marie and I'd like to say this about Kyla Murray. What if it has athlete? He must be to be a number one draft pick and base. Ball to be the overall number one in football. I guess Bo Jackson is the comparable. I guess this kid may be even better than him. He played this perfectly. Okay. That's all great. Kenny play. I don't know. Thank you cliff Kingsbury thinks can and your Kingsbury knocked in tease. He no getting paid to know how many people have they paid to know how to get the ball to number eleven but been unable to do it. The guys go into the whole able one guy got in the ball with. I'm gonna root for Josh Rosen now. And you know, what also says it says it Miami by getting Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't tanking because now they're getting another quarterback now tanking. Nobody knows nobody knows cardinals. Never know. They knew what had a window once two years they got to the Super Bowl. And then not so Kurt Warner with crew Waterville. Tony likes to say, I hate the NFL draft. Because you don't do. I hate the insultingly stupid overreactions to the NFL draft and exhibit a of the millions of people bashing the New York Giants for drafting do quarterback Daniel Jones with the sixth overall pick. How many notes on nobody knows very very few. None. The genetic was is that the giants reach reached to take Jones at high when they couldn't taken twin Haskins who many things better prospect or simply waited until seventeen when Jones figured to be on the board. Still Tony does this appear to you to be the tragic disaster that so many are claiming it to be so I have never seen anything like this Todd mcshay last night killed this kid. Okay. This morning. I woke up seeing number. Imagine a mini seen it this morning. I woke up and I watched Dan Orlovsky and Tim Hasselbeck quarterbacks. Would they be ninety killing quarterback killed him? Oh, really killed him. I've never seen. So now, I'm rooting for this kid. The only thing I can think of is that the giants looked at the overall body of ally Manning's work which for ten or twelve years was great not lately know, great. He has no more work. But great, wait. Let me get to this. And they knew that he was coached in college by David cut cliff, and they know that David cut cliff coaches this kid, they probably asked him about it. And they said we're going to take this kid growing up in New York. It's not Philadelphia. But it second they'll boo quick in New York. This kid is gonna get a chance and if he sales couple they're gonna boo him. But you said you never seen anything like this. I know you have different sports same situation, the people on hand booed and writ Kristaps Porzingis. They said he was a bum never should have drafted. I know he's going along with for two years. They thought he was the only hope anywhere cling to him like a half to Moby, Dick. Okay. So this is what I'm talking about widow. No this layer, not don't booed him. The back page of the posted least rip them renationalised raggedy, the Rippin the kid all over you. I'm going to root for him now. But like he's going to get a chance he will get chance, and they are to they are in New York. The first read sceptical right now about this kid. So he'd better be right. Right. And then he leaves goes to Jacksonville. Nobody's doing that. The Washington Redskins drafted Duane Hoskins. The one year wonder at Ohio State at number fifteen last night Haskins appeared to drop in the first round. And was steamed at going fifteen. He may have gone even lower. If reports chew that owner Daniel Snyder overruled the Redskins football people to draft Haskins will bond. Great question for you. Do you trust and Snyder made the right call? No, you have lived through this the first few. This show you and I was still writing columns about the Washington Redskins every week Hilo. And we have a long list of the people that dance nighter overruled is football people trade for or sinus free almost all of them wrong almost almost unanimity wrong wrong wrong. Wrong wrong. Wrong wrong. This kid you love per Seig, do so my neighbor. So I I'm gonna find I'm going to root for him. I find it hard to root for the Redskins. But I'm I want this kid to prove NO by everybody fifteen is not the end of the world. When I see ask say take the chip just put it away. It look at it when you need to an drawer to get yourself motivate. So I think this is a terrific picking until you why it's a great pin? Nobody knows if Alex Smith will ever play football, right? Nobody can particularly particularly confident that cope McCoy is ever going to be healthy enough to play really and case keenum was a professional quarterback. But he's not an inspirational order back. No. This is a local kid from the. Fullest school, and from the Ohio State, University importantly, I'm gonna say now you and I have lived in Washington for forty years, and we saw something this year. We had never seen before empty seats empty seats. This is a business decision. This kid can sell tickets that seem our long my instant reaction to him. Spend a lot of time last week with them one day was we was your. Your little ones. Going to be more over sized. That's what you need. That's really that position important decision in American splice think he will get the chance right away guy week five or ten to twelve. Let me say only good pity only way he can still tickets a town, which is skeptical not of the team or that position. But the owner. Yeah is to win Hugh. Let me just say this again about this kid in a very good Football Conference. He had fifty nobody. Nobody doesn't eight picks that I would they should be happy to pick too. Good night them. I have many good. I think the last twenty years the Kansas City. Chiefs announced today that tyreek hill has been banned from all team activities for the foreseeable future. In the wake of startling tape recordings that implicate the star chiefs wide receiver in child abuse, accusations heels fiance and the tape recording contended hill hit their three year old wants broke his arm. Tony this very much falls within the NFL's per. Personal conduct code. So what do you think the league should actually do with hill now? So let's review for the chiefs for a little bit at the end of November last year right at the end of November during the season. They cut Kareem hunt deck cut him because there was video of rim hunt pushing pushing kicking woman. Okay, there is no video here there is this audiotape that is as yet on verified. And even if it is verified, it does not incontrovertibly prove that something terrible happened yet. But the police are back in on this investigation now. And I assume the NFL will listen very carefully to them. And I think what will happen down the road is that this particular player will be out for a long period of time. Because if this is true, this is truly truly awful, and you cannot keep him in the league. No, it's not gonna be about a team to say states rights. This is about the actual league. And I'm glad you said the only important part of this to me right now is league working with law. Enfor have to. That's what has to happen. And you people talk about transparency, but they don't actually mean it this has to be as transparent as possibly could be police and the league. And if they find it as true, yes, he's going to go away. And Tony there's still going to be a debate on who should be deciding these issues and people will get involved with varying feelings about punishment abuse punishment. There's a line think you could see very distinctly drawn. But this is going to have to be decided by them. And don't you know, what this cannot be sports talk radio? Call. Let me be a lot bigger English serious. Just signed Frank Clark kicked off Michigan team for domestic violence on years back somewhere in the hallways at Kansas City. Somebody is saying what are we doing? Here. Are we? Associated that correctly. Who is you waiting these people who's evaluating the decision makers? Evaluating. That's right. But the the NFL. Got to take the lead here the San Antonio Spurs as you predicted beat Denver last night to force a game seven tomorrow. But before we get to that we have gained six between the warriors and the clippers tonight now it's not a game seven, but it certainly glamorous game in a glamorous city will on which game. Do you? Find more intriguing this one I change the flight I was gonna fly to San Francisco tonight for what is presumably game one in Oakland Sunday. Okay. But you know, what I cancelled it because I got to see this game. This game is must see TV if you're following the NBA this game meaning this game meaning game six tonight, six loss, Android. I thought you were going to say gain seven I told you I'm skipping the flight. So I can watch this game tonight. That's game. Seventy one game tonight game seven tomorrow night game six and Oakland. I'm sorry in Los Angeles. And Tony you sit there, and I never thought we'd be to game six I'm glad we're two games one because I like, Doc Rivers, and I've known them. Much my whole life. And I just love what he's done. Glenn? Don't you do that to antagonize him? Sometimes it's just annoying. You need to stay up and watch this. Well, you got nothing to do Morrow snowed. I took to prepare for this segment was to say, I'm sad. It starting testing. I'm gonna win. Just I don't wanna read the door eggs at you. Win a game seven is always good. Yeah. But the truth of the matter is that one of those teams advance San Antonio or Denver will advance and they will play Portland, and that's series will not have the glamour of Houston against Houston golden, Golden State, or if if somehow clippers clippers get in their past Chris Paul having to go against Doc Rivers in the clippers. Oh, I prefer to see Chris Ball go against the warriors. And I think that's going to happen. And I think that Kevin Durant is among many people on that team into saying, okay? We're gonna get down to business now. And they have won both games in Staples. So fair, but if that went seven that goes to that mindset, I don't care where you are. I know what I'm told you air there until Germany be there Sunday either for game seven or game one with Houston either way Pelling, and Tony I never thought I'd say it again, I'm repeating myself. Never thought we we'd be at this point. It was interesting to hear Klay Thompson say it's time for us to just play to go out and beat thirty. It's much. Those guys are annoyed with themselves. I think and that's a good thing. But let me ask you this. Are we at the point now with they no longer control alone? How this series goes? They do they do. All right. Let's take a break coming up. Davos Sweeney gets a new deal that pace in the same as Nick Sabin. Does he deserve more and the Sixers and the raptors start tomorrow early game on Saturday, which one of those teams have you can see that at the seven all I can make that maybe eight I can make that you have to get seven ten. It's a west coast town. I'm waking coming in turn to run your all. Then turn your ring. Taking the phone. We're on ESPN two. So let's mail it in with male time. Let me see what's how do you know? What channel were on all the time because I'm smart not dumb like people say, but smart, both the Sixers and raptors may big moves to win at all this season who should be considered the favorite in their upcoming series. I don't know. That's a great answer. Vegas says Toronto slightly and Toronto just have homecourt advantage. But I keep looking as you know, I've been on this for a while. Now, I think Embiid Simmons Butler Rettig and Tobias Harris comprise the second. Best starting five in basketball to Golden State. Toronto's got the best player in the series Leonard, and they got home court. So I think I'm gonna go narrowly like Vegas around. Okay. So narrowly the big moves that were talk airy narrow is that Philadelphia acquired Jimmy Butler, right and Philadelphia, quiet hair Harris, and they're very fine players. But getting collide Leonard is a gender deal. Then that Toronto was able to do is trade Tamar derozen nice player who didn't help the one playoff series. Right. And they bring in a guy who has a ring and a guy who was the finals MVP in two thousand fourteen and a guy who when he guards Ben Simmons hounds Lindsey degree charges rent. Yes. So that's why reasonable people would favor Toronto. Yes. The street, but you're rooting for filial. You're not living in the series. Not because I'm not I root for I'm not rooting this series. I'm watching I'm a note. Thing appreciating the orange that bind that it'll come out of the items will better do that. Yes. Dabble Sweeney's new contract with play him pay him ninety three million dollars over ten years. The same per year is Nick Sabin fair. Sweeney even deserve more. Davos weenie does not deserve more. Not at all. I understand that. He is beaten saving twice a national championship games. But Nick Sabin beat him once in a national championship game. And then be him on the way to another national championship. If you if you excuse me for second Nick Sabin has six national championships. Five at Alabama devil Sweeney has these to wanna make more money than saving fine. Go to the NFL you'll get bought out for nothing go to Allah Bama when sabre retires because that's the I don't do. Don't tell me you get more than saving if I was Sweeney's agent. I would have gone. Here's a deal, Nick savings got more rains. There's no question. But he's also X number of years older than Swee. He's going to be around that's gonna give you the premier coach once assisted living. So you're gonna give him more than say we will walk now. What happened now, you know, what Clinton would've done? They would have given them. More leverage Tony deserve Leverett. How do you think this backflip celebration would go over in the major leagues, let's watch this? Like the rig game winner. Oh, oh that is Dominique Dawes. I mean number. I know what would happen in the United States of America based what would happen. He get drilled in his ear flap. Not wait not only what he gets real some pitches may not want to wait for him to get up again. Town every little ads manager Gabe Kaplan who said all we don't throw it. People intentionally throw out of he would say to pitcher do what you feel is. Right. Because that's that's a gymnastics move or a soccer move. That's not a baseball move. That will be great. If you could do that in the United States of America, you have that would entertain you. Oh, let me hit four hours and four minutes. Saux impressive. So what does that move called? What is that that female? Let's take one last great car bomb is Mike the Antoni. Right. That James harden should win. The most improved player wards stopped double hand string. A few thoughts on the life and career of John condo. How much? One of the all-time, apple time absolute. Twenty seven th birthday Aaron judge judges spending his birthday on the injured list. What he is beginning to make a semi permanent residents when he is health. He has awesome power and production. But as we asked so much about Joel Embiid is he available. Nobody some point. Appreciate the player for what he's able to do while. He's there. I realized the best ability is availability. I get that book on the anniversary Kevin Mitchell on this day thirty years ago. Mitchell track down Ozzie Smith steep pop. Fly made his one handed catch down the left field line that catches overshadowed. The fact that was the MVP of the National League that year betting to ninety one with forty seven homers and hundred twenty RBI and an earthquake before game three overshadowed. His giants were swept by the as the World Series at your mic. I was at the game where you know. I wasn't there. Because you were there, by the way, it caught me as a surprise it. Kevin Mitchell who wanna MVP I just remember when I was covering baseball a melancholy trails to John Havlicek. The all time. Leader for the Celtics games. Played and points. Scored died yesterday at the age of Seventy-nine Havlicek. Started out in the great tradition of the Celtics sixth man and worked his way up to becoming their most valuable starter. He led the Celtics effort and hustle and being in the right place at the right time. He was tireless on the court constantly in motion constantly running his defender into a pick and freeing himself shot he made the most famous play in Celtics history stealing inbounds pass to seal the Eastern Conference final in nineteen sixty five against Philadelphia. Have the check was a thirteen time all star and a member of eight Celtic championship teams. This news depressed me greatly last night. When I heard it because John Havlicek embody the NBA that I grew up with from birth until I was covering the league almost it was that long played so many seasons. It's only now for a while we had Mike and wilt and have we had them all. And now they're all approaching eighty years old of the not there already. And it scares me. They were going to lose our. Heroes. Have watched Havlicek. Play against Bill, Bradley, just constant motion constant motion, fabulous games. Let's go to the big finish the nine or say they won't Ana Robbie goals trade request. I'm sure you're disappointed. I'm angry not disappoint. One agent told the SPN Kevin Durant going to the Knicks is just a matter of putting paper to pen can the pay you believe that. No. I don't think it's possible coming to and has one foot out the door that doesn't mean I think the other. I am Bill. Some we don't know about similar after we don't know about this, Dan, Tony says chains on should win most improved player. What why this just in? James harden was not in the G league last year. He was great last year. He's great this year that most improved McBride. But I understand why dantonio doing this boy the bras Lakers jersey was the top selling season, you think people have bioshock Moore's L. It's really cool looking jersey. I think it's completely unexpected. When you look at the only get passed by Diana goes bulls on black juniors first big-league game tonight. How's it going to do to? A lot of time telling you better the next time. And I'm Tony Kornheiser plenty of time for that. So plenty of on Mike robot have a great weekend. Knuckleheads, you can get the PTI podcast on the ESPN app or apple podcasts denied Kanner and Toronto.

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Rethinking Tua to the Redskins

The Kevin Sheehan Show

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Rethinking Tua to the Redskins

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin all right Happy Friday to everybody happy. Good Friday And a happy Easter in advance to all of you who celebrate Easter. Happy Passover to those of you celebrating that it's just needed a maybe guest a little bit later on this is not going to be a long Show today errands continuing to stay at home. This is my choice actually This studio that we do. The podcast in is pretty small. I mean it's about one hundred and twenty square feet in total and even though we were always roughly six feet away I think just for for right now it's best That he And I stay apart and I'm in the studio by myself and he's home by himself and he's still working though he's putting this podcast together after we record it. And that's what we're going to do for the time being by the way before we get started today If you listen to the radio show on the team. Nine eighty First piece of news is that it is moving up an hour on Monday. Starting Monday so it will be a six. Am to nine am show instead of seven am to ten am. In fact the whole lineups. Moving up an hour. I'm going to start earlier six to nine. Am and then gall these not going anywhere. He's going to still be with DOC From nine to noon and then Brian Mitchell Scotland from twelve to three and then Zaban Scott I'm from three to six so if you are a listener of the radio show end of the radio station. The team nine eighty Starting Monday I will be starting first thing at six. Am to nine am which probably will result in this podcast getting out a little bit earlier on most days As well that's been by the way and I I understand that that that's been a bit of a complaint Since I went back to radio that the PODCAST doesn't get out now until later on in the afternoon and I understand that I appreciate the fact that you you even notice But it will be able to. But that's because of the Radio Show. I was getting done. at ten am and we weren't getting started until typically ten thirtyish and you know by the time it was done it was twelve by the time it was edited and put together an out. Sometimes it was later than twelve thirty one o'clock but anyway The radio show starting Monday six to nine am and also unfortunately as part of that radio show Greg Huff who has been my longtime radio producer. Not just on the radio show in its recent form With me doing it so low. But he was the producer of the coolly. And Kevin Show as well and Greg Is is part of you know unfortunately Which is happening all over the country right now as we know in a lot of businesses and Greg is a pro. He's a friend I'm GonNa Miss Him terribly on that radio show He's always been a big part of the show even in an it's in the past Format with Cooley as my partner And hopefully you know things turn around and the world gets back to normal at some point and Greg can rejoin the show. I am hopeful about that but I think you know everybody in radio right now is concerned About its future. It's tough. It's not just our station or group of it's every radio station across the country. People aren't in their cars. Most people listened to radio in their cars and people aren't going to work right now and they're not in their cars and they're not in a normal routine in a lot of the advertisers that have spent big money on radio and even on podcasts. Their products can't be consumed right now can't be purchased right now And so that's making it difficult for that. Industry just like many industries obviously in many businesses have been impacted with this But anyway I just wanted to say a greg. His always been not only a great producer and a pro. I mean a first rate pro when it's come to I'd only greg ever had a day off. I don't they. Greg was ever late. I'd only greg ever didn't do or get things that we asked him to get and Greg consistently came up with great ideas For the show over the years. And I'M GONNA Miss Him. A Lot But hopefully at some point we will reunite But anyway sixty nine. Am No Greg. Cj The program director Of the station and a one of my closest friends for many many years He's going to produce the show At least for the short term. And we'll see if that If that plays out for the longer term but anyway I wanted to say something about Greg On the PODCAST. Many of you listen to both and You know how much Greg's been a big part of the show all right I wanted to start today with the less carpenter story in the Washington Post Which I guess. It was in the paper yesterday and I didn't get to it with Tommy yesterday but I want to get to it today. It was a story written about to a ton of loas recent Rehab and Work Preparation in getting ready for the NFL. And the the story opens with less carpenter writing. Not long before Alabama quarterback to a ton of I Lewis declared for the NFL draft. His father. Gulu I think that's how you pronounce it called Superbowl winning quarterback Trent dilfer with a request would dilford train his son to get him ready at first dilfer refused and dilfer spent the past year trying to build lipscomb academy tiny Christian High School in Nashville into a national football power. And he didn't want to add another project. He told to his father glue that he had already been coached. Well by vinnie passes his private coach back home in Hawaii as well. As Alabama's coaches dilfer suggested the names of several person Several personal quarterback trainers all of whom begged would beg for the chance to work with two but the father told dilfer that everything had changed the moment the two of was driven into the ground last November sixteenth in a game against Mississippi state where he dislocated his hip ending his junior season once presumed. The draft's top. Pick tongue of Iowa had been flown to Houston for emergency surgery and faced in arduous recovery. The father said that dilfer has known To a since he was a teenager. I Guess Trent Dilfer was involved in the elite. Eleven competition He's coached that in the past and he coach to a win tool was a teenager and the father said he needed someone he could trust to train his son. Someone who dilfer would later say would not kiss to us but and glue the father. That's his name Gulu Told Dilfer we will come to you. We will come to Nashville. And so finally dilfer agreed but he said with one condition that too is training would be veiled in secrecy. He could not tell anyone where he was. He could not post photos on Instagram instagram. Or tweet about his workouts. The rebuilding of two as dilfer called it would be old school with none of the self promotion that swirls around young athletes today so they started to work together A few months back The march ninth date where he had an appointment with his His Orthopedic said had done the surgery on his hip was a big date because they would clear him to actually start running and start. Doing things physically. That would lead to a personal pro day. Which by the way hasn't happened because of the virus but they were working in preparation for that he was cleared on March ninth. He's been working with them over the last month. Part of the works included bringing in former. Nfl head coach. Ken whisenhunt to work with him as well and Dilford told less carpenter in this piece and carpenter or has it pretty much at the end or close to the end of the peace. He told them this quote if he would never have gotten hurt there would have been no discussion about who the best player in the draft is. He throws the football better than anyone throws the football. He throws better than Aaron Rodgers and Dan Marino. Whoever gets him wins the draft. Because you are getting a hall of fame player closed quote now. Dilfer is not the only one that's had a positive assessment of to. You know a few weeks back todd. Mcshay said that if two had been healthy he would have ranked him higher than borough In many people have said over the course of the last couple of months that if two hadn't gotten hurt too would have been the number one prospect in strapped and we know this because a year ago I mean it was all about tanking for two now. That was before borough had the season that he had. You know an all time. College football season fifty six hundred yards in college football season sixty touchdowns to just six interceptions. Plus he had the five rushing touchdowns accounted for sixty five touchdowns in a championship season at Lsu. Let me just say this up front? I like borough more as a prospect than I do too. I love them both. I love to stay away from to it as I've mentioned because I wouldn't roll the dice onto a with his injury. History with a guy like chase young on the board. Now somebody as great as chase young as you know in terms of being a prospect weren't available in this particular draft and I would seriously consider too but the injury is a huge risk the injury histories a huge risk. You know for the Redskins at number two even if you think that healthy too is a much better prospect and has a much better upside than Dwayne Haskins. That injury risk makes it very problematic and then throw in chase young as an option and I think the redskins if they pass onto a which by the way will be in a could ultimately be one of those passes that we look back on and say wow. They had a chance to get the next Dan Marino or the next Aaron Rodgers and they took chase young But I think it will be down the road. Justifiable because chase young is being evaluated as the best pass rushing prospect in many many years and to has got this injury history. So you know down. The road will hindsight it. You Know Steve spurrier style fifty fifty and if to it turns into a superstar and chase turns into just a good player will say the Redskins Blewett many will say the redskins blew it but we have to think about the way we think about it. Were thinking about it now. The way I'm thinking about it is a borough more than to be to. His injury. Risk is too high. And See. You've gotTa Prospect Chase Young at the second most important position on a football field that ease generational in talent and in upside With that said let's go back to what Trent dilfer said now. I've always been a Trent dilfer fan. Those of you that listen to have been listening to the radio show for years. The Tommy and I did together. We had Trent dilfer on the show. All the time you know specially during the RG three. You know brief era because still I seem to understand the Shanahan's and with the Shanahan's were doing more than most of the analysts out there you know. This was back when I was doing the show with Tommy. Cooley was still playing football. Cooley understood it a lot of those. Nfl analysts during that era did not know what they were watching. I mean there were so many people referring to you know sort of this zone read scheme out of the pistol formation as the wish bone I I heard a lot of so-called. Nfl experts at made themselves look and sound really silly when they were talking about what the Redskins were doing in twenty twelve and I always explained it this way and I think this was what made sense to me. They were not college football fans. Some of these guys were true. Nfl guys they didn't Really Watch or follow college football and so they didn't realize what college football had become. You know with the spread and with a ton of dual threat quarterbacks that were running lots zone read and then turning it into a lot of RPO and they just didn't know what it Even though they should have known because the Pat Panthers had started to do some of this stuff with Cam Newton the year before you know specifically in red zone situations but anyway Trent dilfer always understood it like he was he. I'll never forget his line with us with Tommy and I on the show he said Mike in Kyle. Shanahan have created the best first and second down offense. He's ever seen now. The redskins were sometimes in trouble on third and long when rg three turned into a straight drop back passer. When they got into those situations it was really difficult for them. But they didn't get into those situations that much you know. They didn't get into those situations because they were such a high efficiency. High Level First and second down offense you know with Griffin posed as a run threat even when he didn't run it which was most of the time the defense had to account for him as a potential runner and it opened it up for Alfred Morris. Eight opened it up for the play Action Game. I remember asking. Rg Three when he came on the show and he came on the show a few times. But I remember before the two thousand thirteen season when already many of us knew that you know all was not well in the In the RG. Three Mike. Shanahan Kyle Shanahan relationship. You know this is is. He's working his way back off of the knee injury that he sustained in the Seattle playoff game and he and I are g three and I sat down at Redskin Park and I recorded in an interview with him that we aired the next day on the radio show and he. It wasn't Tommy and I together. It was just me. It was the way he wanted to do. It actually In the way for whatever reason the redskins wanted done. I'm sure they were afraid to Tom. He was GonNa rip into him or something. Anyway I asked a bunch of questions and I remember asking one question specifically. I asked him if he thought and I knew at that point that he was not a big fan of being sort of a running quarterback and in that off season it hit had come out with his father. Saying you know that you know making these veiled sort of threats against the Shanahan's about his son continuing to be a running quarterback as much as he was throwing quarterback and I suggested to him and said. Is it true that the zone reed look actually creates a more protective pocket for you to throw from which by the way was one hundred percent true you know? Mike had explained that to me. You know during that season or after that season he said the truth of the matter is the pocket with off that zone read fake when were thrown that dig route to Pierre or did Sean. He's much more protective of him than a straight draft. Dropback pocket is because you've got defensive linemen and linebackers hesitating thinking that he might tuck it and run so the play action off of the zone reed look became very effective for him and he never got touched. If you go back to that two thousand twelve season that dig route that he threw over and over and over again to Pierre off of the zone read play action. He was never touched. It was the safest pocket that he threw from so when I asked him that question. I'll never forget his answer because his is sort of lit up because he was in this mode of trying to prove to Mike into kyle that he could be drop back passer in that they didn't have to incorporate the zone read anymore. You know and they shouldn't be and when I asked him that question he said it can be. He was honest you know and he said Yeah it can be. That's true and I said we'll explain it. And he said we get the defense to sort of you know. Think more and you know I've got really good receivers that are able to get open and gives the offensive line a better chance to protect and you know he went into it a little bit and I remember after the interview was over and I said it was really interesting to watch you play football last year because you never got touched on any of those zone read play action throws and he just looked at me and he smiled and he said not many of them not many of them but anyway Back during that time a lot of people didn't understand what they were looking at. And you know again. The SHANAHAN's were brilliant in the way they employed you know. Rg three what only rush in only would keep the ball during a a game on zone. Read keeper maybe three or four times man. Sometimes there were six seven eight carries but sometimes if you go back and look at those box score some of those character scrambled stu you know. They're not all zone read keepers. You know One of the plays that they got out of that playbook quickly which made sense was they got out. The the true quarterback sweep you know for old school. You Know Grade School football people the old eighteen sweep the one back through the aide whole or the nineteen or seventeen sweep which would have been the other side on the they. They ran that a couple of times and that was not the best idea. He got punished on those. He was much better off the zone. Read fake where you know. Half the defense went with Morris and he was able to turn it up field and you know hopefully get down before getting hit. He was not very good as we recall at sliding and avoiding contact that was he was not Russell. Wilson as a runner great straight-line speed not great visual sort of spatial feel. He just didn't have that he was much more of a straight line track guy than he was. Russell Wilson who you know I guarantee Russell Wilson's a hell of a basketball player. He was obviously a very good baseball player. But anyway working back to Dilford dilfer always understood with the Shanahan's were doing. He was a true analyst end because he was coaching. He really understood what they were doing. He was coaching younger. You know high school level players. And he knew exactly what they were doing any recognized the brilliance of it and recognized how perfect it was for Griffin in particular now as it relates to to a lot of people said to me after you know reading a after. I read this this morning. What did you expect Dilfer to say? He's been working this kid. He knows these this kid. He's friends with the family. Well he could have said you know if two it didn't get hurt. He would have been the best player in this draft and would have been the clear cut number one in this draft and whoever gets him is getting an absolute beast of a player. I think he took it to another level when he said he throws the football better than anyone throws the football. He throws it better than Aaron Rodgers and better than Dan Marino. And whoever gets him wins the draft. Because you're getting all hall of fame player close quote. The somebody pointed out to me and I didn't see this until after the radio show that he worked with Twain Haskins last year and said that Haskins has a lot of Tom Brady in them so maybe he is sort of predisposes to hyperbole and promotion of the players that he's working with. I still think though if you take that and you put it with what you saw as a football fan went to a was healthy and playing quarterback. It's not debatable. That too is a great prospect. Like it's not debatable. You're knee no one's Gonna. You know anybody that. Watch to over the last few years when he was helping out there that you're all going to say the same thing the dude cancelling it. I mean he can spin it as as well as anybody. We've seen in college football. In a long time. He throws deep incredibly well with great touch and a great arm. He throws medium with great accuracy and he gets it out quickly on short stuff like he is really guy that can really throw the football. Nobody will debate that. He's also a playmaker too. I actually personally personally think borough is a better playmaker a better. Extend the play kind of quarterback than even to is the big problem with two. And I've mentioned this as sort of you know what I think about every time I think about too is I think about CBS. Three thirty and tracy wolfson on the sideline being asked by Brad Mesler and Gary Danielson for an update on why to his hobbling. You know it wasn't just the hip were it was the knee it were. It was both ankles. He just was always hurt too much of a risk that said this is one of those situations where when you read this and then you start thinking about two and when you saw him. Healthy eight is a big risk to pass onto. It's a big risk. Now again. The fact that he's got this injury history and the fact that chase young is an option at number two more likely than not makes that risk sort of a worth taking on passing on him and in justifies it. Down the road if two ends up hitting it. Big and chase young doesn't if to ends up being hall of fame quarterback and chase ends up being just a really good player if two ends up doing what. Aaron Rodgers has done which is elevate mediocre teams to playoff contention into the postseason year in and year out. So you know but again we have to remember how we feel now and the way we feel now is this guy's a risk because of the injury history and the good news is there's another generational talent sitting there at number two at a very important position on the football field which is the pass rusher So anyway interesting about Tr the Trent dilfer stuff also Ian Rapoport Re tweeted out yesterday that Ron Rivera really likes to and he says that I'M GONNA find it here in a second here. It is Rappaport Said tweeted out yesterday or said in a report. Excuse me that there's actually a chance. The redskins could select to with the second overall pick. And that Ron. Rivera is a huge fan of to it. That he's very high onto A. I think they're going to take chase young two weeks from last night I think ultimately again I keep coming back to this. And that is the owner. Wants Chase Young wants. Haskins to be given the opportunity. And I don't think that Ron Rivera would be sitting in. You know the position. He's in right now. Is the REDSKINS head? Coaching might be the giants head coach right now. If he had told Dan Snyder that he wasn't a Haskins Fan and I don't think he needed to tell Snyder that to get the to to to to get a job this off season if he didn't think that way about About Join Haskins. He could have said. I'm not a big Fan. And if that's the problem that's fine. And he could have taken the job with the giants. He may have been offered that job. You know he didn't need to do with Jay. Gruden need needed to do in twenty fourteen. Which is convinced Dan that he could make. Rg three work. I don't think Rivera needed to do that. I think Rivera told them the truth. And that was he likes. Haskins to and Haskins is going to get every opportunity to prove that he can be the franchise quarterback which means he's going to be the starter in two thousand twenty which means they're going to draft a quarterback at number two. That's the way I see it and I'd be fine if they took chase young. I'd prefer that again. I've said this before if Joe Boroughs there at number two I would take Joe Borough I would. I would take Joe Burrow because I ain't Joe. Borough has a much bigger upside with no recent injury. History I think he's got bigger upside than Dwayne. And I liked Wayne but I think burrows going to be a better quarterback and has a chance to be an elite quarterback in the NFL. And he doesn't have the risk of injury stuff. So if Perot did you know make him all all the sudden fall into the REDSKINS LAP at number two. I would take him. I would not I would not take two at number two a one other thing Because this actually just came out okay and it's about to it it's from Michael Lombardi on twitter and Lombardi by the way is hit and miss man on a lot of this stuff former. Nfl GM has had a podcast for a while Here's what he apparently just said on his podcast. He said the question to be asked is not as to a healthy rather than Ken to stay healthy being cleared to play in being able to player two different circumstances. I agree with that. I think once you've got sort of this injury History in this vulnerability injury in many different spots by the way not just the hip but the knees and the ankles you gotta be really concerned about it and he. He said that is oh. Here's here's something that's interesting former Cleveland. Browns general manager. Michael Lombardi said Wednesday. The Tunga Vilo failed his physical with two teams and had previously unknown wrist. Injuries revealed what they saw. It's not the hip it's his ankle. It's his wrist. Lombardi set on his podcast. He broke his wrist the first day of Spring Ball one year and then they fixed it and he came back and he broke it again. He's brittle he is brittle you can't deny it closed quote that from Michael Lombardi. Yeah this is. The risk is that okay. Two hips fine okay. Today's healthy but he keeps getting injured. Tracy Wolfson continues to be busy during Alabama Games on. Cbs because he's always obligate around. What's the hobbling around for this time? It's his ankle. What's he hobbling around next week? It's his other ankle. What's going on with his arm. It's not as arm. It's his wrist so had that with two. It's gotTa be a concern. GotTa be a concern One other thing to get to and then we're going to bring a guest on Jefferson will be on with us to talk a little Maryland basketball and about the transfers that they didn't get the last few days I don't know how many assault saw this poll but Seton Hall's School of business the Stillman School of business put out a poll. Yesterday that indicated that seventy two percent of American said they would not attend live sporting events until a vaccine is developed now among the sports fans that they pulled still a significant majority a healthy majority sixty one percent of sports fans or people who identified themselves as Sports. Fan said they would not attend a live. Sporting event until a vaccine Is available of the twenty-eight percent that said they would go to a sporting event nearly half of those said that they would go to a sporting event. Live but without a vaccine. But only if social distancing measures were in place So really what you're talking about is a poll of about seven hundred sixty. Two Americans I think is the the number that was pulled That you know sort of overwhelmingly says people aren't going to go back to live sporting events without a vaccine now personally. Tommy and I talked about this yesterday to me. The vaccine is an anywhere near as important as the treatment. Tell me you've got meds that you can prescribe to me. That will keep me from getting seriously ill. If I get corona virus and it's a totally different ballgame the vaccine. We've already been told by Dr Vouch. E that the vaccine is twelve to eighteen months away in some say that. That's that's optimistic. What appears to be a possibility much sooner. Is You know a therapeutic medical treatment. You know whether it not. Maybe it's this hydroxy. Chloroquine with the antibiotic or maybe it's one of these other drugs. But they think that that's three four five months away so you tell me that we've got meds to basically keep you from getting seriously ill you know like Theraflu or whatever. These flu medications are Then I think it's a game changer. For everybody will take the fear and the anxiety way down until you get that I totally get this poll to me. It's if if they they should've asked more about the treatment or combined it you know and to say you know will you attend a sporting a sporting event if there's no treatment or Nova and door vaccine for Cove in nineteen. I get the anxiety man I get it. You know. These large gathering events are going to be impacted. If there's no treatment you know now if you're immune if you get that test that that will be developed. That will test the antibodies of whether or not you've had it now you're immune to it. Obviously that's completely different. If you've got some immunity to it you're going to go to a sporting event if you want to go to a sporting event But without a treatment I think all of these first of all without a treatment. I don't know that you're even going to have the opportunity to attend a sporting event live. Sports may come back as this thing. You know waivers a little bit and Wayne's in diminishes in the summer months and maybe we get sports back but without a vaccine without a treatment it may be without fans you know which is what we you know. We were planning on seeing that or the plan was for us to to watch these games during March madness without crowds watch. Nba Games without crowds hockey games without crowds. I I don't know I mean I I. I believe this polling. Now if there's a vaccine if there's a treatment then these numbers are much different obviously But without it. I don't even know if you have the opportunity to and if you have the opportunity to I think we'll see large gathering sports arenas and stadiums not very full and by the way they may if they do open up stadiums for live attendees for games. They may have you know requirements with respect to social distancing. Like maybe a seventy thousand seat stadium. Now we're only going to take thirty five thousand in and everybody's going to have a seat in between them. That's empty But anyway I thought that polling was pretty interesting and it reflects the right now and I know were in the moment and people will change their minds when this thing starts to hopefully die out a little bit or be significantly reduced based on weather based on the mitigation the in the social distancing that we're going through right now but and people may have a completely different attitude you know when we get to September for Football Games but those football games are optional in terms of attending them. It's not work. You know you have to get onto that subway you have to get into your car you have to get on to an airplane potentially for work but you don't have to go to a game and those games are on television in glorious high definition. You don't have to go to those games. I think attendance is going to be significantly impacted if there's no treatment or vaccine Again I I recognize that I had that reaction right now while we're in the midst of this you know were at the height of the anxiety over this in. Maybe I'll feel differently at the end of the summer but I can just tell you personally and you know I'm I'm getting up coming into work every day. I don't see myself going to a seventy five thousand seat stadium and sitting. You know super close in a packed section of fans when I can stay at home and watch the game on TV Not Without treatment or vaccine remember part of this is not just about ourselves about what we're bringing back to our families all right WanNa get to Ah Guest here. Let's bring in Jeff Herman Jeff. Of course Covers all of Maryland. Sports specially Maryland Basketball Maryland football. Um Follow him on twitter at Jeff. Underscore Urban Maryland to forty seven sports dot com. First of all. We haven't talked in a while. How are you doing? I hope you're healthy and well and and you know Making it through this crazy time. We're living in. Yeah Kevin just like everybody else man just trying to stay active and stay sane. I mean good. News is you know Maryland's given US plenty to write about With recruiting and everything else bad news is it hasn't exactly been the most positive news to deliver so far. Yeah we'll get to that in a moment you know. Let's just go back to you know What was incredible anticipation for what would have been you know the big ten tournament first and then the NC double A. Tournament and just talking today on my radio show with With cj about being at that Michigan Maryland game and it was three days that Sunday three days before Rudy Gobert tested positive and everything shut down and and it was. It was a crazy time like that game and I said to him. I said you know. It's interesting about that Michigan Maryland. Game I know it was in early. Start but I think already. I started to see people who are concerned about going to a large gathering event. I mean people were already being sort of. It was at the very beginning of sort of learning. What mitigation social distancing meant? And that game you know it was a sell out. I know but it was not filled. That day. Like the Michigan State Game But anyway how do you think they would have done like? I just wish that we could have seen Cowan and sticks and everybody in that team with the way they played all year long. What do you think they would have done seriously? Yeah it's such a cruel ending for Maryland. Because this is you know tergence nineteen and sneak clearly. His best suited team to make a run. But that goes against the obvious question will kind of feeling over him. One sweet sixteen. So would that you know their team than good enough to kind of breakthrough. But you know to me. It felt like he wins at least four games and postseason. I thought you know you know now. Obviously it's a tournament so fluky you never know who they would've played if somebody has an off-day there's just so many various factors that go into that will never know but to me. It seems like a sweet sixteen kind of team and Tina had a chance to maybe go further if everything came together some of those role players you know if Aaron wiggins got hot or or something like that So I thought they were poised to have maybe their best postseason under tergence. So if that's the case which will never know. Obviously it's really a killer for him because you know that was his opportunity to kind of again breakthrough win back. Some of these fans were complaining and also maybe help himself out a little. Bit Recruiting wise with an extension and things like that so Really just you know it killed and hurt everybody who who is going to go to the tournament but I think maybe even a little more painful for Maryland than a lot of other. Yeah I mean it's so true because I think you and I both agree that this was his best team. You know in terms of a collective team in the way they played and how they fit together And by the way the you know the the way they got along and you know especially when the you know they got the twins added air in December And you know matchups are everything we know that tournament and won the whole thing or they could have had a terrible match up in the second round in Greensboro and gotten bounce. I mean it's just the way the tournament goes but I think that this was his best chance to make a deep run they had into. They had what every every tournament team wants right. They had a veteran point guard Who was not only a score and distributor but a hell of a defender and a big time clutch performer and they. They had a big guy that was blowing up in front of our very eyes. You know in sticks and you know in a lot of really good complementary pieces. It just sucks that we didn't get a chance to see it and with Carolina. Not only was he. A senior guy can do everything but also you know a guy who's on a mission and maybe that you can overstate that. It sounds like a cliche but it's true you know desperation does matter in sports especially college sports mindset and situation are often as important talent and I just so desperately wanted to win something of substance this year which he did you know he got the big ten titles so you feel good for him for that because it's such a great career and otherwise you know is lacking in Milestone kind of accomplishment. But you know they've they've really. There was obviously the team to win to the sweet sixteen years ago for years ago whenever that was but you know was a team. I think was always a little bit better on paper than it wasn't reality and they'd be you know a couple of admit low major teams that gets in the sweet sixteen and then you know played one half against Kansas before getting run out of there so I feel like this again. This probably would have been the best shot but it's really a shame that will never know We'll we'll never know We'll never know on what it would have been but I think we both agree that we we missed out on maybe tergence best tournament. Run you know. There's been this talk over the last couple of months. And you talk to Maryland basketball fans and I do as well and we both are always rooting for for for them. And I I am as an alum. I've always lived in died this stuff and I like mark a lot but I I know the conversation. That's been out there and not being a part of the NCAA tournament this year. You know he walks away as a big ten co champion with one of the better regular seasons. You know we've seen here in recent years. What happens with sort of the conversation? that you know just a few months ago. People were talking about with respect to a contract extension you know. Is that in play with Damon Evans. After this season I think it would have been a near Loch had. They made a deep run into the tournament. But where do you think that is right now? Well once they made that run and won the big ten tied for the big ten that he would get at least a token extension just recruiting purposes. You know coaches. When they have three years left in basketball is usually win. You're you're pretty much expected to get that extension at least for appearances so that's still might happen but I'm a little surprised. It hasn't happened already just again for help with recruiting cliffside. You know most of these players. They've been missing on it then. Grad transfer. So I don't know how much longevity presenting longevity really would have mattered with those guys anyways but I did think if it was gonNA comic who come early still could. I think it's so hard to predict. Now 'cause you know corona virus situation just has changed the entire landscape. No coaches are moving around. The market's pretty much closed down. You're not really seeing guys. Get fired get extensions or anything. Schools are bracing for. What's going to be you know an economic beating For these schools we have the lack of money for the NCAA tournament. That's a huge hit especially for the mid majors but even for the high major. They lost a lot of money on that too. So that makes it really hard to predict what's going to happen. You know he's still could get an extension. I know Damon Evans isn't necessarily you know his top supporter So that goes it. Plays into things too but you know just the whole situation right now makes it really hard to predict I wouldn't be surprised if he still gets one. I don't think there's any way it'll be one of those kind of iron clad deals were Kevin Anderson. Gained some where you're getting several years fully guaranteed? Nothing like that. It's going to happen are. Let's talk about what has happened here recently. Which is they've missed out. On some transfers from some big time Grad transfers that would have stepped in played right away. And perhaps you know made. Maryland a a a a really really good basketball team next year. I you know personally and I know a lot of Maryland. Fans think that they're gonNA stink next year without Callanan sticks and without getting some of these transfers will get to in a moment actually think they've got a decent team coming back you know. It's not a terrible basketball team. It's still a team that to me could finish in the top five top six of the big ten and be a tournament team next year with what they have coming back I'll let you answer to that in a moment but tell everybody what they've missed out on here over the last You know three or four days so the three big guys they were going for were Bryce ache in the point guard from Harvard. Put Up thirty against them in November. He committed to Seton Hall Yesterday turns out though you know from what I'm told privately. He actually committed to see the hall a couple of weeks ago and just wanted to kind of let the Suspense build up and let the high build up so That one I don't think they ever had. It's much of a chance The big missed me was car leaks. Jones Point Guard Radford. A lot of people think these bets Grad transfer in the market is a really good player. Really Good Point Guard And I think that they almost had him wrapped up last minute. You know the hometown allure of Louisville. One out that was that was a tough one. Because I think that he's the best guy available and they they almost had him done And then Jordan gruener is gonNA announce today six knighted. Fring gale would be a really good piece for them really versatile not Jalen Smith but nobody is He's deciding between Maryland Baylor and Alabama And I don honestly I'll be surprised if it's Maryland. I think you'd probably goes to Alabama and then Kind of secondary target missed on was Alex. O'connell the shooter from Duke They seem to be very much in the mix with him until he announced for Creighton yesterday. So those are the main guys they did. Add one transfer Jerry Lewis Hamilton from Boston. College but you know unless the NCAA passes this this legislation allowing transfers to be eligible immediately non grad transfer is. He'll have to sit next year so They still need at least two more players. Yeah I mean this kid. Brunner going to Alabama. You know it's one thing for Jones to go back closer to home in in in some ways akin going to Seton Hall wasn't a you know a shocker. But Y- picking Alabama over Maryland. Come on I mean they know. He's a hot commodity though. He's got a lot of momentum going there. They're recruiting really well. You know surprisingly well for Alabama but yeah I mean it is. It is surprising especially you know also from an Ivy League. You would think I I have no idea. Alabama's rated academically. I seriously doubt it. Close to Maryland. But maybe you know. Maybe I'm an educated on that But yeah that's that's a tough one especially because you know there's some cards out there but finding big ten quality big Ben Right now. Is You know near impossible. So that that's killer for that reason. Who else is out there? Who else could they kiss right now? I mean they they have spots with you know sticks in leaving Lindo transferring and obviously the twins transferring there. There are spots to be filled. Who else are they in the running for? Well it guard there Recruiting David Julius Leaving Michigan. Who had a great game against Maryland in Rican? Yeah yeah he's a player. He just was stuck behind Xavier. Simpson there You know they have some inroads with him. Beyond Ray. Haynes obviously was an assistant at Michigan worked with him for years. There's a relationship there same thing with Jerry Hamilton with him. You know you need the NCAA to pass that rule. Otherwise he's sitting out next year and doesn't help you which is huge factor Given what they need and Hardy another point guard from. Unlv averaged about fourteen points a game. He's a Grad transfer so he'll be eligible immediately. He's another guy that hanes has a relationship with and then in the front court you know. That's they they need a point guard but they need need a big man. I mean when you look at the the construction of the roster right now. The frontcourt is Really lacking so With with the guys. They've missed on the they're going after a couple of high school guys now Kidding Quincy Ballard seven footer from Syracuse. And it was just kind of blown up at the last minute. He's actually set to decide tomorrow. and then He's Got Maryland Syracuse Florida State NC state and Cincinnati You know we'll see it. Sounds like it might be tough to beat Syracuse given that he is a syracuse kids but I think Maryland with them or doomed with him. It's all about zooming now. Obviously yesterday So I feel like they might have a chance. They're GONNA do a little more digging today on him and then dominate the Nago. He's more of a far more of a highly rated prospect top fifty big man. Twenty twenty. One class is very likely reclassified to twenty twenty. So he'll be a freshman next year most likely Maryland's one of several schools. Actually have an article posted on him on the site today but they're one of several schools really working hard on him he would be. Probably you know the best the best you could do. Maybe at this point even though he'd be a tip you know technically a high school junior jumping into the make still a very big skill top fifty kind of kid and they desperately need some sides given what you know you look at the roster. Did Julius from Michigan would be in the same Thing that Hamilton from from ABC would be It would be a guy that could only play next year if they flipped the rule in allow the one time. Transfer without you know sitting out a year. That's a killer. Like how do you decide if your church and not knowing that's why the NCAA needs to just go ahead and make a rule? There's enough uncertainty and chaos out. There go had make your decision. So people know what they're working with both the players and the coaches have a guy like church and have to think like we really need to guard but we take him and roll the dice and wait another month to find out if he's playing for. Thanks year to me is ridiculous. Obviously there's much more important things going on out there. But yeah he's like he's like Hamilton. So if you take him you're you're kind of just Taking a chance so you know we go from a chance to potentially contend for a final four in our in our own minds anyway at least I think most people would have considered Maryland to be among ten to twelve to fifteen teams had a legit chance to get to the final four if not win the whole thing To a team that comes back next year without getting any of the big name transfers as of now I mean maybe Brunner picks Maryland. I've been hearing Alabama as well What are we got? I mean it's I ala. it's more sell. Its Dante Scott It's wiggins and I mean it could be Cho- Mariel in the starting lineup right. When you think about it. I mean that is. That's a solid four man nucleus. But you don't have a proven star among them. Wiggins is really the only guy you can see becoming. He could blow up like it's very possible wiggins could blow up into a first round guy that average is eighteen a game and ish shooting forty three percent from behind the ARC. Something like that. I could see that happening record definitely happened. The problem is it could happen. As though proven this year you enter the season with all of those guys. Plus Anthony Count and JALEN SMITH TO PROVEN GUYS. One of whom was about to become a star so next year you take those two away and you just have the other guys I like. I'm a I'm a big. They're more cell guy. I've always liked what he probably has gotten so much better year after year. But he's not going to become a star. He's as good core guy but you still need and then you need depth. It's not just the stars. There's no definite behind those guys whatsoever. I mean you have those four that you mentioned. I think Dante Scott will be a really good player. But WHO's your starting center right now. It is toll burial and the only other guy up. There is Josh to my issues. Basically you know little used reserve kinda coaches favorite Positive Energy Guy. You know who knows all the plays and does the right things. But it's just not athletic enough to make a big impact Ricky Lindo left so that's another front court guy on So you know you still got good guard. But the frontcourt unless show Merrill becomes a thing like overnight which he does have the potential. But it's a total crapshoot with him. Still at this point The Front Court. Is You know back to those levels of ten years ago and it was you know you have bearing wife and and James Paget you know not to take away from those guys but You know you're really hurting for James. Patchy would would easily be your best big man on this roster as it's currently constructed. Yeah you know I think actually the thing that impressed me about Mariel at you know if he actually was healthy you know in the whole thing is he actually has decent hands decent feet can move is coordinated and you know. There's a reason that he had five stars at one point next to his name You can see that. It's certainly at a bare minimum. I could see him being a defensive. Shot blocking factor at the college level And I think Eric I al. I think he's he's a wild card right. You know next year he so capable and we've seen when he plays well how in control he is how he's able to get his shot how he's able to get to the rim and get to the free throw line and without Cowan. Maybe I'll take a big step up you know with the group that we just described and we didn't mention keen harder. Sorelle Smith you know potentially benched players. You know were panicking here. I can hear it in your voice in a bit in my own but the truth of the matter is that group without even counting. You know the the transfers that may or may not be available or freshman that may make an impacter or not making impact That group should be good enough for a top six seven type of finish in the big ten. Which would make you a tournament team. Right car is fairly solid things. One to relying on all those guys to improve basically I L you know. It's all mental with him. He needs to become consistent weekends. Does this jump shot. Come back more so you pretty much know what you have. I think Scott you have a pretty good idea what you have. The problem is again. There's just no death whatsoever you know you look at the rest of the roster. Who's WHO's a big tip proven themselves as the big ten not big ten. Just big ten caliber player really. Nobody and that's brutal. You know even the big ten this year death was an issue when you had these guys plus Cowan and Jamming Smith. That was still an issue. So that's the concern. They've gotta get two guys at least two guys Who are capable of helping them. Now you know recruiting is has. They've struggled a little bit recruiting the past year or two. It's hard to explain exactly why it's been a little bit of strange downturn but yeah. I mean I agree with you. I like the pieces. I think if all those guys are the their best selves than you know it could be a solid team but without without dance or really any big man You're in trouble. I mean obviously a big man but without any big man who can play. So that's why the next you know the next days or so is going to be crucial. You know deciding what happens next season? Yeah I think I think you know we've talked about this. Before what we think Maryland basketball is and I think you and I've been pretty much on the same page to me. It's like every five years you're in the tournament a minimum of four of those five. You know and you're competing for your in two to three sweet six two sweet sixteens minimum and one side of every five years. You've got a legitimate team. That's got a chance to make a final four and contend for a national championship. I mean that is to me. What Maryland basketball should be. That's sort of the second tier you know after the blue bloods you know. And and that's what it should be in next year would be sort of that off year where you may make the tournament. You may not But it's probably not a a deep into the into the tournament kind of team which means if he doesn't get a couple of these guys to really help out one is twenty twenty one. Look like where are they on the twenty twenty one recruiting front? Well you know. They're involved with several obviously a lot of twenty twenty one kid to local guys. Keep an eye on our Julian Reese of in Baltimore sister. Angel Reese as a phenom who committed to print free. I think they have a really good chance with him. He's right around one hundred range nationally. I think he probably would have his stock would have gone up this summer. Now that's not GonNa Happen obviously with a basketball And then Benny Williams kids from list. top fifty player. I believe in our rankings Six eight is small for it. It's pretty much seems to be between them in Syracuse right. Now they've got a saw chance there otherwise though it's not like one of those years where you can point to two or three guys that they're like hall in on. The problem is that usually happens during the summer and spring when they get out and watch kids on the circus tallow. They're watching this guy like they've been all his games. They really want him. That's not gonNA happen this year. So it's going to be a little harder to get a read and probably a lot harder for them to get a read on who they want but I think right now. They're just so focused on trying to patch things up for next year. That twenty twenty one. While they're probably working on it they they they need to get some twenty twenty kids. I They do last thing before I let you run. I saw that you tweeted out on that. Marilyn had two of the greatest One hundred one tournament two games of all time. One of them was the drew necklace. Shot that beat. Unc Wilmington and the other one. Unfortunately was maybe it must painful loss of the Gary Williams era which was the Corey Lucius buzzer beater in the second round. Back in two thousand ten which was Graves Vasquez and land in Melbourne. And Eric as the final game which I think they had a chance to make a run for the final four. That's why you know when people will say about Gary's last few years and not making a sweet sixteen I always remind them they want an ACC regular season title in two thousand ten and they really did have a final four capable team. You know that that year especially with the way. The draw emptied the game. That should have been this top one hundred one. That isn't is their game against uconn in the elite eighty. Two thousand two so one of the college games I've ever watched. That's the one that I thought might be in their little surprise but no they. They obvious they were going Matt norlander. Who wrote the article did a really good job on. It was obviously looking at a lot. It closer beaters and last-second finishes Maryland ends up winning that game by eight so maybe it doesn't look good as it was but clearly that was the best Test they got in that hole championship. Season run which is pretty impressive when you look back at it that use me that that none of their win that championship run came by less than eight points. national championship game. They're still maintain even while it was great for Maryland. They won against Indiana. That was one of the most boring national championships. Yeah Yeah exactly Maryland. Fans shout me down. They have Maryland one. It was the greatest thing but now that was a just ugly game. He had no business being there for being honest but Yeah Yukon with Perran bother. That was a classic. I thought that would make the list that the championship game was an ugly game. Although Maryland's defense over the final ten minutes was unbelievable I remember. I watched that game again. Maybe a year ago. I know it's been on recently. I haven't watched recently. And one of the things that was really impressive as L. Maryland. Completely Shut Indiana out over the final eight nine minutes. I mean Blake's Defense Dixon's defense. I was so good Last actually two more first of all. Where's Matt harms going to Weizhi? He transferring from purdue. And where will the end up? I don't know why that was surprising. Maybe would obviously is already played a million minutes. You'd think he's Cemented there is just a program so that was Brian. Everybody everybody in the country is after him so much they wear he'll go. I'm listed like thirty schools and that was just on the first day Maryland did reach out. I confirm that they've talked to him but they'll just be one of several dozen going after him so it's hard to say why he left aware he'll end up But yeah that was. And also if you're Maryland you already have Chil- Mariel so wall harms would be a nice piece and you'd probably take him without thinking twice on the other hand There's not many teams that carry two seven foot. Three guys in the way basketball is played these days so To see what happens to our last one so I did this on radio the other day and that is you know. We've been seeing all of these old games you know. Being replayed with no live sporting events I personally am not into watching a Lotta. These old games. The Games that I've most of them I've seen on youtube anyway if I if I was really interested in it but I asked the following question which is if you could go back and experience you know one game From the past you know all new again like you don't know the result you know it now but you go back and experience it again. What sporting event or game would you choose? Wow that's really good That'd be one of those redskins super bowls when I was a kid. Unfortunately have to say when I was a kid next to that 'cause you wouldn't be both you know better than anybody. There hasn't been that much excited about. I would say the biggest games and they ended up winning savvy. They're not once your questions. Probably probably going to get more of a. What if they had one answer? But I would say the Super Bowls Against the broncos and The bills you know those were the biggest games I can recall throughout my entire youth Otherwise you know very probably Maryland two thousand two national championship game. You know. Those are the three biggest games that I can recall. what if otherwise? I don't know that's a really good question that says well. It's you know for Maryland basketball fans that listen to the podcast and I always hear from A lot of 'em after year on the show. the For me even though the two thousand and two championship was phenomenal in many ways. The game that got him into their first final four the win over Stanford in Anaheim was the most emotional because longtime Maryland. Basketball fans like me had waited our entire lives to go to the final four. And I'll never forget sort of. I think Dixon was holding the ball as the clock wound down and it was a very very emotional moment to know that. Finally you know after all these years with teams. We really thought were final. Four caliber teams. You know they were finally going to the final four. That that was really emotional. I love that That game and really the SEC. Title Win Two thousand when they beat Duke in the in the In the ACC tournament championship game The Gilchrist Tournament. That was really incredible. Win In some ways you know longtime Maryland basketball fans site that game is the ACC tournament championship overdue pay in overtime as in some ways equal to the national championship which I find is crazy but I also remember how emotional and excited I was when when they won that game get surprisingly fired up about conference tournament especially they see because of the tradition and the the Maryland being in Alaska. Little Brother Syndrome that they had that Stanford one is a good call. That's really underrated. That was a breakthrough because he felt like they were they. Were just never going to go to the final four. And they're finally the you know you could say that was. That was the high level breakthrough when they did that to get to the final four years after they had that first breakthrough against Georgetown between Simpkins buzzer beater. That was the first breakthrough shows sort. They were about to back. And then ten years or so later you get the one against Stanford. Yeah that went over. Georgetown at USAIR ARENA was phenomenal. I'll never forget that day because you know Georgetown had really avoided Maryland for so long and they got it together and it was. You know J- in them after that and them after that because you know and I talked to a big John many times about that game over the years and you know he would say to me you know what even sold out nights say it was also the Friday morning after Thanksgiving and Maryland was coming off probation it there was like seventeen thousand in the arena an arena that sat nineteen thousand in about fourteen thousand of Maryland fans. You know so. It was a home game for Maryland even though it was technically Georgetown's home floor. That was phenomenal Shane Batty a senior night in in. Durham was incredible. You know part of that. Two thousand one four game you know a head to head thing And and the game you know in in Kohl's final year. The year they won the National Championship Begins Duke. When Blake had the steel on Jay Williams before halftime? There was incredible. I mean some of those crowds in front of the now. I'M GONNA. I'm turning this conversation into an article since we hang up. Well it's it's one of the. We're trying to figure out what to talk about these days because there aren't gas to talk about so we're kind of stuff stay healthy. Stay well great to catch up. Thanks good to catch up with Jefferson Jesse great guy does a great job covering Maryland sports and follow him on twitter at Jeff Score Urban one last thing before you run. It's a redskins item. Tony Pauline who is a? You know a draft expert for the pro football network He and his podcast yesterday. said about Ron Rivera. And Trent Williams quote Ron Rivera. Wanted him back? And it's my understanding meaning. Tony Pauline understanding is that Trent Williams basically just blew him off and Ron Rivera really right now has no use for Trent Williams. Just as not want that kind of person in the locker room closed quote. Of course you know the agent for Trent Williams Vincent Taylor has sort of told the story in opposite you know. He gave his fifteen minutes. He met with US long after he should have met with us and sort of made it clear that Trent was gonna have to earn his spot. And you know That he was sort of lukewarm towards Trent Here's a report from Tony. Pauline saying Ron Rivera. Wanted him back? But he was turned off by. Trent Williams. Bottom line is. I don't think anything's GONNA HAPPEN. Until two weeks. From last night he may be the day before But the NFL draft is when this thing more likely than not is going to get resolved either before during or shortly after it is my guess. All right that's it Stay healthy and well this weekend And we're back on Monday.

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Haskins' "Gallivant"

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports. Yup Tommy still in Florida but now he's on vacation. He's no longer doing his spring training responsibilities and it'll be good to have them because man was he active on twitter. Saturday night after that. Fight Aaron did you see him getting into it on twitter? You do this all the time. Do you really enjoy getting into it with some of these people. That really are in very many ways. Just trying to troll you. Well I just I just like to take my shot at people who think like they know something. That's all because so much anymore. Well no I recognize it. I don't know anything you know. I mean I'm like socrates a man who realizes he knows nothing knows everything so that's me that's sort of the way. I gamble if you've noticed over the years it's an admission that I know nothing that someone else knows a lot more but I would suggest that many times when you get into it on twitter you actually are claiming to know more than the people that you're arguing with. Well that's not hard to do. I mean I breathe high fake so therefore I wore God. I can't stand you know I. It's not been a specific or an intentional emphasis for me recently. But if you follow me on social media on twitter. I don't tweet much. Somebody mentioned to me recently at work and they're like you just don't tweet much and I'm like I don't really. I'm not on twitter much anymore. I used to use it as a real news. You know vehicle like you really if there's if there's breaking news it's much easier faster and actually more entertaining and sometimes more accurate on twitter on social media than it is on CNN or FOX MSNBC or any of the networks. You know. But I don't know Tommy. I've gotten tired of some of the interaction with people I some of you are really bright and thoughtful and I enjoyed the conversation whether it's on the radio show on calls and sometimes on twitter but my God I mean what percentage of the people that that correspond with you do you think are either a really really limited all right in terms of brain power or be just trying to get you angry and upset and get you to respond. What put those two groups together. What percentage of the people that you interact with her that I think it's a small percentage better actually thinking you know I'm GonNa get a rise out of him. I think most people think they know something and has something to say. Okay so I think that's what it is. What about the percentage of people that are just really limited in? Don't have the ability to sort of have a conversation with you in a in an intelligent way I welcome i. Welcome all taker so really God. You're so look at you. You're you're so welcoming you're so easy. I mean you really are. You're just go along to get along. He's actually the opposite. You are in control of your twitter account. You can decide how much you read how much she don't read. Who follows you? Who doesn't follow you who you interact with who you. It's not like you're a prisoner. I don't block anybody's side. Every how many people you blocked over the years. Oh remote houses no. I don't do anybody. 'cause muting is gutless blocking it takes guts because when you block somebody they know you block them when you need somebody. They're out there thinking well. You know this guy's res all my stuff but he's not read anything it takes guts. Well it's also overly sensitive in my view unless somebody's threatening you from the guy who doesn't Wanna read twitter Eddie war because it bothers him too much no. It's not that it bothers me. It's just a total wasted time. Suck I I mean I know how valuable your time is very valuable. Just ask me when I but you know they're just I would say that a significant. I think I agree with you. That it's a very small percentage of people that are just trying to get a rise out of you but there's also a group of people that just it's a waste of time to get into it especially in a two hundred eighty characters or less situation. I mean because they're they're going to require much more you know Karen it's a handling situation you've got to have a lot of care involved to sort. It just takes too much time and how many cars. No I mean I look. I look at it like Jack. Nicholson is a movie hoffa their aunts at a picnic and on the picnic. Yeah I don't really see myself as a picnic but you've always sort of seeing yourself in a much bigger way So there's actually a lot to talk about today. Even though there's not one significant thing Doug Williams said some things yesterday on Sirius. Xm radio will will get to those things. Unless Carpenter reporting in the post that Ron Rivera and Trent Williams have had meetings plural face to face meetings plural and that it really is about the money. that everything else has been worked out. I mean obviously everything else has been worked out because Bruce Allen and Larry Hesser no longer in the organization but you know What's interesting to me and I think we've talked about this together. I've done it on the radio show. I'm not so sure that everything's been worked out there. And I'm specifically referring to the owners relationship with Trent Williams which I do think at one point was probably very close. And when Trent Williams came back you know at the end of October right before the deadline for him to return he ripped into Bruce Allen and at the same time praised. Dan Snyder you talked about how you know. He really loves Dan and is always felt the support. We didn't hear anything from Dan. And we still haven't specifically to specific Trent Williams but we don't hear from Dan period. I mean he didn't slip in between happy. Thanksgiving and Google Ron Rivera's record. Hey I really hope we can get Trent back as I love him. A Lot We haven't heard anything. But I have this Tommy. I have this suspicion that not only did Trent Williams really pissed off Bruce Allin. I think he really pissed off. Dan Snyder and I think it's because ultimately this was about money to a certain degree what percentage of it was money versus medical. We don't know but we know some of it was about money goose. Trent admitted but I think that there was this feeling of sort of betrayal that the redskins had been super supportive during multiple suspensions with Trent Williams that they had been loyal to him. They'd given him a contract extension. You know after multiple suspensions he missed a key. A key portion down the stretch of what could have been a playoff season in two thousand sixteen four suspension. You know that was. That's a big. It's a big letdown to your team to to to get to get busted for marijuana again into be suspended and I think that there was this sense in Ashburn and trust me. I'm not defending any of their behavior. And in fact the stupidity of not doing something about it where you could have moved on not had this become a huge drama- gotten a first round pick. Plus I mean I I. I'm not gonNA forgive them for not doing that as a fan of the team. But I've always felt there were too big sides to the story. And even though Ron Rivera and there's a whole new group there and Larry Hessen Bruce Allin are gone And less carpenters reporting. Now it's about the financial. I still wonder about the relationship with the owner. And maybe they'll sign him to a deal and they'll make up in the owner say great things about Trent Williams. But I'm just telling you I have a pretty good feeling that bruce L. wooden the only one really upset by what was coming out of Trent Williams's camp during that holdout well like you said the redskins did so many things wrong acknowledging that they may be upset by the way tried to Williams handled. This doesn't mean they're right but it does acknowledge their feeling and I. I would understand if Dan Snyder was upset by the way traffic volumes. Not only like say betrayed his mind given the support they gave him but really embarrassed the organization and I know this is hard to believe for people out there but they still care about being embarrassed. You wouldn't know it by the way they act what they do. It's still drives them nuts when they get coverage like they did in Detroit Williams thing in the media I mean again like I I. It seems so far given how they act that they would actually care what people think but they do so track. I mean really I mean he. He damaged an organization that was already damaged. He damaged it further With his comments and questions about the the medical care in the organization. So I understand if dad cider still has some deep rooted feelings against wh why did you do this to me? You know. Look what we did to you? I certainly would understand that the other side of that. Let me ask it if Ron Rivera wants Williams back. It doesn't matter what Dan Snyder. Thanks Well I mean that's a loaded question. Obviously I don't think it does when it comes to Trent Williams. I would be worried. That it it might. It might carry a significant influence when it comes to the quarterback but I think that if if especially if Ron Rivera says we need Trent back we gotta pay. Because he's going to protect your quarterback he's going to give you a quarterback a better chance so we're operating theater premise. That everyone signed. The Ron Rivera is right. Pledge at this point and Ron Rivera goes owner. Says I don't care you know what you think about trend. I want him here he gets here. You know I was sick. I was sent. I was sent that pledge I was sent that you know That that that oath that I had to make that Ron Rivera as always right but apparently it's only a one year deal all right. My it's my option to renew it at the end of twenty twenty two twenty three season. It's not a lifetime. Pledge by any stretch right so there is the other thing too and I want to move on from this and get to a couple of other things but I do believe that there is this sense of. Why did you throw US under the bus? This way. We were loyal to you But I think that more of it is that they believe that they didn't handle it poorly. They believe that they you know when it got to. You know there was a concern that they told Trent to take care of it and that he had you know appointment scheduled that he blew off. Remember that was part of what was coming out of the Redskins camp. You know On on this and I I think they have a completely different version of this story and on top of that you know they get thrown under the bus and on top of that. It's hard for them to really talk. Because you've got in. You got some of these privacy things you know in play During all of this. I don't know if we'll ever find out the exact truth. The only reason I bring it up is because I think there's this assumption from Redskin fans that Bruce's gone Larry. Houses gone and now to decision on whether or not they can get enough money in a contract extension where they're comfortable with it and he's comfortable with it and they move on where. I wonder whether or not just some ill feelings from the owner towards Trent Williams are playing any kind of role in. This doesn't even have to be ill. Ill feelings it could be a lack of trust you know. Dan could say to run. Look you know this. We HE LOST STAR. Trust during this whole thing. There were things said that weren't true. There were things said that really damaged us and it's you said it's hard to damage them anymore with anything but you know I. I think there was a lot of resentment and anger and you know a at the way from Ashbourne as to why he handled it the way he handled it and I don't even know if they're right. I don't know the truth but I bet you know the truth lies somewhere in between but they were both at fault for a lot of that we always have to. I think you always have to mention the caveat the right way to handle this was the trae Trek Williams before Eddie. This ever happened instead of paying them. Yeah I mean you know I mean. That's the right move. That was the right move at the end of last year. Right it was the right move before the surgery it was the right ones and then you would have never had any of this and if you traded him after the surgery there was still very likely going to be a Trent Williams interview in his new. Nfl City after the trade where he took some shots at the redskins. You know there was still going to be some of that but you would avoid the the the lengthy drama and not only did you not take advantage of of a really good opportunity to get a lot for a really good player. you Y-. It was the opportunity that you had because the opportunity is less now. And he's GonNa you know I'm not for paying Trent the best contract in the NFL for for left tackle again. But I would not be against but I would not be against you. Know a significant deal to extend him. If that's what Ron wants because I did sign the pledge that was mailed to me other day got it back immediately to all right More redskins news from yesterday Doug Williams did an interview with Sirius. Xm radio there were two soundbites him and play the first one deals with Dwayne Haskins. And then we'll get to the second one that deals primarily with Alex Smith but Re sort of Implies some Ah also addresses some Twain Haskins In that one as well. Here's the first one this is Doug Williams. Yesterday on Dwayne Haskins took games. He played you know he played decently but I think the last game of the season the way he was playing last game is the way we want to see. The White House can play this game because he got talent and he got hurt. He hurt his ain't got rolled up but he had thrown like to pass like twelve or fifteen. And you know it gave you some hope that this is where he don't start off in. At that time the kid have been been. He's supposed to be. I think in the building working out on his own trying to find out what's going on. I told him I talk. I try not to. I tell them all the time. I'm not to coach. I just tried to tell him what he has to do to get him out of that mentality that I can just Galloway all over the place on all season when really you need to be here trying to find what I need to do for the season. So that's the part of the bite. The very last part of where he says the mentality of gallivanting or gallivanting all around the place That has gotten a lot of attention. I think it's actually hard from my perspective to decipher. Is he talking about sort of what he was last year? You know during the season before he started when he was gallivanting all over the place or is he talking about you know now. What was your take on it. You're right. It's hard to say if he's talking about now for last year but again My issues with this kid are all off the field issues you know. I think he's shown and like I said like that last game he showed a lot of talent I think he's shown enough talent on the field. And what we see to think. He's worth the investment moving forward. My issues have all been You know the off the field trauma The high opinion of himself the marketing campaigns his relationship with the owner all not football and the clothing the clothing line you know. Putting putting out putting out tweets during this season leading up to one of his starts about you know black Friday and cyber Monday or whatever. It was around Thanksgiving for his clothing line. Yeah Yeah and you could argue with football stuff because it is kind of related in some sense to what you think is preparations for sales. No no it's not okay. No that but So I mean I just think there's still this perception out there Among people among oddest Redskins fans that Why did this kick walk into the building with the attitude of? I've got everything I can win this job. I've gotta learn everything I can. I've got it the vote everything I can to being the Redskins quarterback. That's problematic that that is not part of his DNA. I will get away if his success. I don't know well the fact that it's not part of his. Dna's not the right way to describe it. It could be a part of his DNA. It could be that. He is was immature in the moment that he's a fast learner but he didn't know what it took it this particular level and that he is learning and he's going to be a more mature guy. I mean the fact suggesting that it's not part of his. Dna almost an implication that a key or suggestion. That can't get better fed a lot of immature guys come into a League into a sports league mature and become much different players and have but this guy this guy had his hand held by mentors like Shawn Springs and others who should have pulled him exactly what he needed to be moving forward unaware of what he needed to do. I'm sure let's play this second part of Doug Williams where he talks about Alex Smith Alex Smith of the pro a pro's pro and When he walked in the bill the first time you felt his presence from a leadership standpoint and is unfortunate that Alex got hurt. 'cause I think we came as a football team was the guy that had where we were at the time before he got at six and three and since that time when he was able to come back and stand up and go to me and they work out. He's been in the Wayne's ear and I you know I hear Patrick Mahomes talk about him all the time and I can see it translate into the Wayne and we all hope for nine. Nobody works hard at him. I won't count him out humane hard to believe but when you're watching every day in the way room and what he's doing you say to yourself. Wow how you doing? So I think in his mind and he's built like he's GonNa play and I think we got almost go along with him until he say I can't do it but to that time you know the most important thing stand Wayne's here okay. So first of all just real quickly on Alex Smith. I think you're hearing doug say what a lot of us believe. Which is it's great. That Alex Smith is working towards being healthy enough to play But he's not gonNA play all right. Alex Smith I don't think is ever going to play football in the national football league again but that last line from Doug at the emphasis on being in joins ear combined with the First Bite. Sort of the mentality of you know not gallivanting all around whether it was early in the year and he was sort of predisposed to behaving that way or or or preparing that way and maybe he isn't now. I don't know I I don't like Doug mentions that if there is still a concern to a certain degree And I think some people out there listening right now. Have the exact same concern. You have I I wanted to mention this though. Because here's the bottom line with the redskins and the quarterback position Ron Rivera and Scott Turner in this staff. If they truly have the autonomy to make any decision they want to make they have to understand that. This is the opportunity now. If they're not sure about Dwayne to come up with a solution they've got the number two pick in the draft. There are a lot of quarterbacks out there in free agency. They've got a lot of salary cap space to just blow it off and do what I am hoping they do. Which is I WANNA see. Dwayne plays sixteen games. Let me be clear on that. I actually saw a lot with Dwayne Haskins. I have a completely different opinion today than I did. A year ago on join Haskins. I watched him play a football fan. I saw a bad ass competitor. That got better. I listened to guys like bill. Callahan Chris Thomson and others sort of shying away from complimenting him early in the year Callahan going as far after he got the interim job to say. I don't know about Dwayne this year. I think even dwayne would say that. It's probably not this year that he plays to at the end of the year. Saying things like quote Dwayne Haskins is not a mistake repeater. He learns heat. We teach him and he doesn't make the same mistake twice. You know that to me is an absolute sign or an indication by a head coach that the player is coach -able so we saw a player play and get better. We saw opinions about him change once he started to play. I WANNA see him play. Sixteen Games next year and I want at the end of the year hopefully to realize. Hey you got a guy that can be sort of in that ten of the top ten range. I don't think he's ever going to be Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes but I think he's got the potential to potentially one day being in that next group which would be better than anything they've ever had you know in recent years but my point. Tommy is this. You can't if you're the redskins say to yourself inside those walls and Ashburn. Maybe but maybe not you know there's so much here but we're not convinced if you're not convinced you have to seriously consider making a move now you will not have the same opportunity a year from now if you get to the end of twenty twenty and it's more obvious city isn't the guy. You're not gonNA have the same opportunity to fix the problem. You're not going to have a chance to draft to. You're not gonNA have a chance in free agency to potentially sign a guy like teddy bridgewater. You may not have the same salary cap situation. You probably won't have the same draft position next year. At number two overall they have to really be able to project now so that they can act accordingly. You know you can't really predict what their situation will be a year later so you can't operate under the premise that we better do something now or else. We won't have the opportunity. You may be right. A lot of what? I'm probably right on that but it's hard it's actually hard to have one of the two worst records in the NFL in a year in which there are. There's one guy that everybody thinks his can't miss. And maybe a second guy that many teams will think is a can't miss book the quarterback. I don't want to deny that. We are in that same situation that we were seven or eight years ago with a quarterback coach and an owner. We don't know the dynamic between those three and how will influence decision making in the building and that's problematic. That's that's that's the big question you know what what will dance. Nighters relationship with Wayne Askins. How affect the decision making involving Dwayne Haskins if they want with the assumption that they have autonomy and my saying that if they do have the ability to do what they think is right for the organization? Long-term they really have to have a formed opinion before they ever coach him in a game. Now you could say well. If he really isn't any good will. They are going to be in a position next year to draft Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. Or somebody like that. But you know it's hard to be one of the two worst teams in the NFL. Yeah Yeah it is. It's it's thirteen games. You are right about that. But I think you're right but the uncertainty of of the owner and a quarterback. You know the two buddies Dan and Dwayne the Tuesay's that remains a big thing. I mean I had the ultimate canary in the coalmine. If things have changed is that the Redskins do move on from Twain Haskins. Then you do know that there is a new culture right or wrong at Redskins Park So I mean it'd be a lot writer than it would be a lot more right than wrong. I mean they might get it wrong but the fact that they were able to make that decision would be. Yes Ed again. I think he's shown enough that he's worth the investment moving forward. I mean I'm not as bullish as you are but I am focused on him that he acted shown you anything at the end of the year to indicate that he can't play quarterback in this week he's got some say the beginning of the year You know when he first got on the field and look you gotTA admit he had no weapon here. He had nothing. I mean it's a tight end league and he didn't have one tight end you know so he really didn't have much it terms. O- of working with weapons. They need to get some weapons to commit to them. They need to get him some offense of help. Yeah I mean yes. That's true and I mentioned yesterday. I think they need a veteran wide receiver. I think they need a tight end especially in north. Turner type of system So yeah I I agree with that In the last thing on this particular subject do you. Did you hear anything from Doug Williams? That says he is still concerned. He still isn't sure he's relying on Alex Smith to be in his ear Or do you think that first of all I wonder why Doug Williams continues to speak. Doug Doug's the senior vice president of player development. I mean he should be involved in developing players. I don't know why he's doing all of the the talking these days. But do you think ultimately your takeaway from listening to Doug is that he is not sure join? Haskins a little bit. I think so. I think it could be situations. Where SORTA like Archie Three? Although maybe not soon maybe to a lesser extent that he doesn't feel that's Wayne is listening to him that he doesn't feel that Swain listens to doug you know could be a generational thing I mean. I can't fathom why you wouldn't let some Doug but but Archie three didn't either so There could be some of that going on Why he mentioned Alex who is closer to Swain Haskins AIDS and relevant factor as opposed to a TUCK WILLIAM. So Doug makes us have some concerns that this kid doesn't amid his ear and this kid doesn't hear me but the greatest thing about what Doug Williams said is Gallivan. Am I right am I right? I mean this is a word that my mother tatum. Vague Greg Saddam gallivant around. Greg said the same thing to me. He said it's a boomer word. I guess that's alright. No it's not. It's a pre boomer work. Well no no. No no no. It's the greatest federation word. It's not a boomer word. We heard maybe when we were kids but we heard from out parents. I did my mother used to say it all the time. I never told anyone did not go gallivant around so no those three days boomer an old word so when mother Father Word Soon Doug is saying he's gallivanting around what is he saying. Basically say you know burning the candle at both ends however they are you know That's his mother or father that I mean. He grew up here in that. Yeah I think if I use that word with my with my boys. I don't think that they would know what it meant. And then I would have to say something like just stop you know stop cruising around Roman around. You know you know wasting time kind of thing. I don't have a great word and we agreed for I love we are reading reintroducing but somebody somebody tweeted me earlier. There was no greater gallivanting than Marion Berry. He gallivanting all around town Much much different ways than I think doug is referring to Duane gallivanting. All around eight still ran the city. Yeah he did he did. I mean when he says you know gallivant all around town. I think you know I was thinking about this and I and I and I was just like sort of looking through his social media which God I just I don't. I don't want to overreact to people social media anymore because I just think it's a totally different perspective for somebody like him than it is for me or even you. Your perspective actually might be closer to his then mine But I think it means you know you gotTA BE IN HERE. You got to be in the building. You can't be gallivanting to the wizards game and gallivanting into your into an at home. Playing video games spending all day on social media. You know that sort of I think I think if Doug were asked to be specific he would say. It's got to be in the buildings. GotTa stop going to Wizards Games in tweeting all day and playing video games. That's probably what I bet you know the Doug you know he comes in here. He works out. It's great he's here for a few hours. He says hello everybody and then he's home at his place playing video games all day in tweeting out stuff about Stefan digs like stop. You know it's hard to overcome that work at the Question it's always in somebody's mind that's what it is. Kevin I mean athletes go to Sporting events other forty events all the time and they don't get quests I mean I think if there were perception right from the start that Twain Haskins was a hard worker. I'll be Williams would care about seeing him at a wizards game. I agree but I think I think it reinforces An early perception of plane. You know the If Pass I duNno. I think what we've learned for those that didn't think it existed before is that there definitely was a question about his overall. Work Ethic Preparation prior priorities in terms of where football should lie in in his his day to day priorities. That at least at some point early in the season there was concern over that I would also just remind everybody you know. Baker Mayfield has a lot of that going on as well. You know there. There are other co- he's not the only other. It's not the only quarterback that is getting questioned about work ethic preparation. You know How important football is you know? It's CETERA. He's not the only guy and I again. I think this might and I'm hopeful that this is a bit dated anyway way too early. Maybe it might be and we need to remember something to this guy is Simba. We can't forget that Simba Simba. Yes so so I mean you know he has. He has important responsibilities that simple now. Let's not forget that he is the. He's an entrepreneur. He's got a lot of things going on. You know what the Lion King in all seriousness when it comes to this stuff not that that we're not being serious you know before now but you know what would bother me more than anything about anything that's happened first of all the number seven thing does bother me But that's that was that was Snyder's fault The the cell fees at the end of the Detroit game actually doesn't bother me I bothered may. I know it did I think it was just a lapse in judgment immaturity. Thinking the game's over super excited I win etc did he. I know you're right about you're right about that because I see so many other young people do it as well. Nfl game they probably do it a lot in different various you know professional fields. Hey I made my first sale. Oh I forgot to get him to sign the paperwork about drinking hair care. What any okay. So it didn't bother me as much as you bother. It bothered you but you know it does just sort of would sort of irked me more than anything. Was that Thanksgiving weekend. When he's putting out on social media all of this stuff about his kingdom of Pride Dot Kingdom of Pride Clothing Line Black Friday. We got sales going on big opportunity and then Monday it cyber Monday. And he's got his enemies that's to me and I'm sure St. There's a really good chance. Somebody's managing that for him and they use is social media and they do it himself. I don't want my starting quarterback about to make his what second or third start of his career. Having amy interest or any attention paid to another business that's important to him another entrepreneurial endeavor. I want my guy totally dial in on football and there's no doubt that he's got a lot of stuff going on. That isn't football related now. Maybe he can manage the two. Maybe he can multitask. Maybe he can build a business and also build a great quarterback career. I just can't imagine that Peyton Manning. Tom Brady in their rookie season after two starts was really in an concerned about their clothing line. How would do on Thanksgiving weekend? Look at there is there is no. There is no other business without the first business. There's no closing right without being the football player. So I mean you know I mean so you need to and and I we. We bring up show seismic a lot obviously Because he wears his number for one thing and seismic was was a a one man entrepreneur When he played I mean he was everywhere. You know selling everything when he was a role that yes that's it so viessmann volunteer to return punt to get on the field. When he first came to the redskins he understood the priority of being a football player. I well he was also. I think making plans to open up a restaurant simultaneously when he got to ten. How what? What year did that restaurant open up? Oh I don't think Phil what seventy seven okay. Well let's say for seventy four hadn't really been a starting quarterback for very long in seventy seven. No yet joe is interested in a lot of other things including football too. Yes he was but again like to get on the field. He volunteered to return punts. Yeah all right Quick word about Stamps DOT COM. 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If you're a small business and you'll save money and you'll save time and you'll never have to go to the post office again. okay Real quickly The indy combine you know is underway and it is a highly promoted event. That actually does pretty well in the ratings Joe burroughs hands were measured at nine inches Smallest HANDS Tied for the third smallest hands since two thousand eight at the indy combine. I don't know if you saw his tweet or not But it was. It was very very well done very well. Delivered it went like this from Joe Borough at Joe Underscore Burrow ten considering retirement. After I was informed the football will be slipping out of my tiny hands. Please keep me in your thoughts. That was well done from Joey. Borough on twitter This shouldn't be a concern to anybody. Patrick mahomes hands were nine and a quarter So not that much bigger than his hands. But anyway got me to thinking about the indy combine. And I did this on the radio show this morning. The indy combine is number one on my list of the most over rated sports events games events. You know whatever you WANNA say. Sports related on the annual sports calendar. There is nothing less interesting to me than the indy combine. The gets promoted so heavily and by the way watched like the. Indy combine numbers. This weekend Erin will equal if not exceed some of the Big College Basketball Games indefinitely. Nba Games without question without question. And I find it to be absolutely worthless to watch. I mean I'll have people on this week to talk about what's going on. And Ron Rivera is going to speak and Kyle. Smith's GonNA speak and obviously that's interesting to me but I don't watching the indy combine. Some People Watch it. Hours upon hours overrated. What else is overrated to you on the sporting calendar. I don't know I don't know Kevin I can't play this game. I don't know what else overrated most things did I did I did. I need to give you preparation time for you. Needed to give me a little bit on this. I think people watch the indy combined for the most part for all the shoulder programming that surrounds. There's much more programming a NFL programming. That's involved like you said there's more people who speak. There's more interviews. Yeah there's more access I I don't know how many up the percentage of people are actually watching guys in shorts. A lot of people do and I'm like I understand. It's a big TV. I'll bet any. Nfl Headquarters Right now. Because I saw Jim irsay mentioned this on on TV or in an interview somewhere that they'll already figured out you know we need to start shopping this around the country. Why SHOULD WE KEEP IT IN? Indianapolis we turn it into the NFL draft and have cities bid for. I mean I I I. I'm I'm sure it'd be interested. I'm sure there would be interest. Yes earth already came out and felt like the neath basically say there needs to be the tradition of the combine in Indianapolis. That's because somebody's talking somewhere about you. Know moving it around the country. Turn into a bidding process. And I'm sure I think it's I think that's a smart idea. I think cities would bid on a chance to to hosa combine based on what it's become. There's been open speculation not necessarily moving around the country but just possibly completely relocating it to L. A. Every year. Well it'd be better for the media covering it if it were in La instead of Indianapolis So can I go through my list of overrated sports calendar number two on the list is NBA. All Star. Saturday night could not care less about any of that stuff. That is so old. It's so overdone yet. It is so hyped and number three on my list. Tommy is the Army Navy football game. I enjoy the pageantry at the beginning. I understand the significance of it for you. Know our military and our servicemen. And I respect all of that. The game itself gets promoted like it. Is this incredibly important dynamic game. I couldn't care less about it each year. It's a standalone game on a weekend where I'd like to see actually a in eighteen playoff Begin with quarter-final Saturday. That would be much better for the sport. But that's on my list in my top three but let me give you the thing that's entered my list because you're very interested in this Aaron. I want something from you. That you think is very overrated in terms of a sports event. You know it doesn't matter anymore to me anymore and I'll watch obviously Maryland in this College Basketball Conference tournaments. They're just way really. They're way overrated way overrated. They don't mean anything like they used to mean the conference. Reshuffling of the last ten years has taken away all the tradition from these things the ACC tournament used to be something super special even when the even when the tournament expanded to sixty four sixty eight. It was still a big deal. Now you go. I've got friends that are. Uva Geyser Duke Guys Are Carolina guys. It's not the same thing anymore. You know going down there and hang out with people from Syracuse and Louisville and Boston College and Virginia Tech. You know and I'm sure in Notre Dame like it's just not the same college basketball conference tournament weaking gets really hiked and built up. It's insignificant and overrated. You know you don't think so I looking for being I think it's diminished obviously diminished significantly. I still think it's a big deal to to college basketball fans in the scheme of things you're right you can you can. You can basically choke the The conference tournament and you're still in the NC Double A. and wind up winning the NCWA championship. But I still think it means something to College Basketball Fan. Just not what it meant for. But that doesn't make it like irrelevant or insignificance overrated. What I'm saying. Well I think I think the larger conference tournaments might be overrated. I think the smaller conference tournaments or some of the most fun. It might be the most fun week of the year. Well because it's the automatic. Yes and that's how it's determined but yes. I mean in all seriousness. You know when when people when they're promoting conference tournament you know weekend and it's a big weekend. They're talking about the ACC tournament in the big ten tournament in the Big East Tournament for Madison Square Garden. And I'm just telling you as a massive college basketball fan. Who used to care a lot about that weekend and I've been to six seven eight. Acc tournaments Over over the course of a long period time have not been to the big ten tournament yet and and I am looking forward to seeing Maryland at the big ten tournament. Because they're really good this year. But I think the whole weekends overrated. I think most college basketball fans are just counting down to selection Sunday that they selection. Sundays is the biggest event of that weekend. Not these conference. Tournament semi-final Quarterfinal Championship Games. But overrated and on the list of insignificant are two different things. I agree I'm saying overrated. It's on the list of overrated for me. It's significant because it actually determines a lot of bids to the NCAA tournament and put it in the same class as the NBA. All Star Saturday night. That's insignificant overrated. I didn't I had that rated higher much higher. I said what's entered my list and I wouldn't put it in my. Here's something I would put ahead of College Basketball Conference tournaments. I think the heisman trophy ceremony and just the heisman. Trophy in general is overrated. Now I agree with that. Debate knows a big deal. It was huge huge. I agree with that I The heisman every year. I mean growing up. It was the race for the heisman. And then it was the big you know ceremony in New York on on the Saturday night by the way following the Army Navy game. I'd like to see that Saturday. Actually become more significant for football fans in general A lot of people call this morning and said the Olympics the Winter Olympics are overrated for this country. I actually enjoy the summer Olympics while the TV ratings would indicate otherwise that's why NBC spent so much money on the Olympics. How wore everybody else? It's still again use. Tv Boost not just for watching the game but for promoting the network programming moving forward just in the Winter Olympics. Yeah but this summer are much higher rated than the winter in this country are yeah I mean. The the women's gymnastics ratings are always through the roof. So are the women's figures yes true. Women's figure skating th. That's the that I am. I right that that is the single biggest television event of the Winter Olympics in the US. It has to be absolutely yeah. What else was on my list. drafts drafts on your list. The NBA draft is completely overrated the NFL draft so not overrated the NFL. Drowsy is actually a very healthy drafted to. I don't think that doesn't get from your even rated but the NBA draft. Yes I would agree with that because the bottom line is most of the players picked on that night. That dress up in in unbelievable attire are never going to have a significant impact on the league in that. That's just the truth of it whereas the NFL. You get three days of true sometimes. Roster reconstruction for various franchises in ultimately does have an impact on teams and teams futures. Okay what else I would put on that list but thousands heavyweight champion just like all right. Let's get to that We can go to that next So I'll just tell you what I told Aaron Aaron and I discussed yesterday and then I'll let you have at it. I bought the fight. I was entertained by the Fight Tyson. Fury definitely was attractive to me as someone who will make me by his next fight in pay for his next fight You were right about. Deontay wilder not being a good boxer But I thought Tyson fury was exceptional and I thought he had very good boxing skills and more than that. He is quite the charismatic interesting figure. that can bring people back to the sport. That's the way I felt watching it real quickly before. I let you respond if people miss this story. Deontay wilder first of all. He confirmed that. There's GonNa be a third fury wilder a fight. I don't know if the Joshua fight comes before that or not. You guys might have more information on that. But did you see what he said about in essence one of the excuses as to why he lost because I keep tracking them all okay. I know which one you're talking about. The one I'm talking about is the forty pound costume that he wore coming into the ring. Apparently it weighed forty pounds. It was an all it was a costume that was designed as a tribute to black history. Month the quotes here. The first one is there were a lot of things that went wrong leading up to the fight in the last minutes before the fight but I accept full responsibility but I paid a severe price because my legs were how they were because of my uniform my uniform was way too heavy. It was forty plus pounds. We had it on ten or four or fifteen minutes before we even walked out and then put the helmet on. That was extra weight then. The ring walk then going up the stairs. It was like a real workout for my legs when I took it off. I knew immediately. That game has changed. I really let the designers freelance with it. It was really their idea by the third round. I had no legs. I was completely done. My legs were gone. I had to step into survival mode very early. it's Cetera et CETERA. How how ridiculous and Dick Euless? How thirty says well. I mean absurd absurd because he was wearing that that that uniform that costume or absurd that it could have impacted how tired he was sick that it could have impacted how we could've I was Kevin train with forty pound weights while people run right trading and they're exhausted when the train that way as a way to get in shape so they win the entered the ring. They don't have that on and they feel great when they take it off. They feel great right. It should be to Seattle. Got Right when they take it off when they when they take it off their exhausted but it's to prepare them to not have it in an actual know that. Well that's true Tommy when we train with with that extra weight. You're exhausted when you're done but it's a way to get you in shape. I know that but if you've been through if you've been doing if you've been training for the flight a forty pound costume for forty minutes is going to have zero impact. I disagree with that. I think it's ridiculous because he would wear this thing in. Put himself at risk for this. I'M NOT GONNA say I don't think it was the determining factor in the fight. He got beat up much better fighter a much better higher. It's it's an embarrassment. This guy's embarrassment. He said so. He was never a good fighter. He was a guy with a punch that was it. That's all he ever was. He had that yes. He did accept. He didn't have it Saturday nights now. A couple of things I WANNA point out You know because pices fury size. He did it He he did hit him in the back of the head of time. Yeah he knocked down was in the back of his ear. Yeah that's what's your opened. And he complained about that. And I I. I don't know what what you can do about that. When you tower over six foot four six foot five guy wasn't necessarily rabbit punching but Fury was punching down and did punch on the back of the head a couple of times and he did this this thing where. I was surprised. The referee let them do it where he kept grabbing them in the headlock. You know and and and and hitting them as well. I thought that was kind of unacceptable so I think it contributed to his loss. No but I just thought it was a little bit of poor refereeing to a flight that go on and not have stopped from start. You did watch yes I did. I watched it. I watched it in a place that was offering You know the fight for free So if after the I went to the Astros nationals. You know first exhibition game and that ended early. Thank goodness after two innings because of rain out so I was able to make it to the fight Fury has some boxing skills. He's not a great box. He says has boxing skills as opposed to the other guy basically is none. Yeah he's very he's a he's a. He's a tremendous showman very entertaining. Yes and he will bring is through to Boston. He will put fannies in the seats absolutely I. He's a very dynamic guy but there's nobody for him to fight. There's nobody worth. Joshua was not worth fighting. Please and Andy Relief beat the crap out of Joshua a fat overweight unmotivated guy who wears a forty pound costume all the time I mean. What are these costumes about these uniform? Stop it fighting the heavyweight championship. They carried fury and fury better. They carried him in on a chariot. Basically where forty pounds forty or fifty pounds overweight. Oh no I understand that but I mean just the whole notion that this guy wilder came in with forty pounds. Wingham down to to to try to be entertaining like just. I'm not suggesting you gotta come in Tyson style with shorts and gloves ready to go but my God I mean I just the. The stupidity of that is beyond beyond belief. I you know you say. Fury has some boxing skills for his size. Six nine to seventy you know maybe the some Is a little bit more. I saw more than just some. I saw a guy that could box and I saw. I saw a guy that was really smart in the ring to you know. There are a few haymakers thrown. That didn't even come close And you're right about wilder clearly and I hadn't been paying attention to the sport really and hadn't seen him fight. I think I may have seen fight once I was you know certainly in watching. You're thinking well wilder does have the ability to throw one punch connect and ended but man. If you didn't know that about him you would have am. I I was. I was thinking this guy was in serious trouble of being injured. Seriously he was. He was outclassed from the jump. And in a painful way you know he was hit with everything and that ear was gushing and I did think watching it. It made total sense that if his eardrum was busted than you know his whole you know. Sort of center and balance equilibrium could be impacted. Air Trump wants. An wasn't yeah. It turned out it was just. Yeah Yeah I am. Mark Freeland who is an Olympic gold medal winner? Remember from turn four. There's one or two trainers. He threw in the towel and they were very upset about that but they should thank. Mark Freeman because He was he was pretty much at that point. wilder was pretty much He couldn't defend themselves at that point but I mean I I think throwing in the towel. It's the right decision I do too. I just think that the interesting part of that is that that was not the most trouble or the most You know vulnerable that. He seemed I thought the two previous rounds. I thought there would have been you know. Good reason to ended then Even for the referee at one point to stop it but I thought I actually in that particular moment wilder had actually just had a flurry twenty seconds earlier and he didn't look nearly as much trouble but it doesn't matter because if you are watching the whole thing and you knew the context you knew there was zero chance of him winning and a much greater chance of him. Being seriously injured had a continued I didn't exercise both look at go look at wilders. Career record in box wreck okay. Before he fought Tyson fury the other day. He fought Louise Ortiz. Who's considered a heavyweight era? A decent fighter except he's probably over forty years old and he's steroid-free he knocks him out. I think in I don't know eight rounds. Seven right set seven rounds then he fought a guy named Dominic Brazil dominate. Brazil is currently under suspension by New York State Athletic Commission any fought fury before that and had a great that he fought Ortiz before that then he forth ber main divert. Yesterday was the right the first time. The first time champ was for title who fought twice in the last four years. Yeah okay I might want to keep going down with the record That Sarah Washington you ever hear it at great heavyweight before that I remember the I remember the forty niners receiver gene Washington by the way. Who fought five? You don't need to you. Don't we get it? He's not he doesn't have a great track record. He had he knocked out forty one tomato cans and forty two fights. We understand that after watching the other night you know. It's amazing to me that he didn't lose before that I will say this though about your description of the fury as you call it the auto Wallin fight it's volun- He Swedish. And they played that fight. I think it was on F S. One very early Saturday morning happened to have been up and I watched that fight. That guy violence actually a decent fighter. Okay who was also undefeated coming into the fury fight. I don't know who we beat T to build up that record. But my God fury had a Gash over his I at the beginning vol and hit him with a shot that opened up a cut and how they didn't stop. That fight is beyond me but fury put on an unbelievable performance with basically one. I against volunteer win that Fight Union. You did not give that fight or furious performance in that fight anywhere near there do it. Deserved just wanted to point that out. I don't I didn't give I didn't give Eleanor Auto Volun- do he? Deserved at the age of twenty nine with with an impressive record against guys like Nick and Adrian coronet and Ford and Gorbachev telling me anything I don't know any you could be naming some really good fighters as far as I'm concerned record in everything. I don't know that that's a bad track record and I'm telling you it is okay. I'm just telling you that fury in that fight had one I against a guy that was hitting him throughout in showed incredible courage as he did against wilder when he got knocked down in their first fight the net of it is Tyson fury of star. And He's worth watching is a star is a star but please people please. You're not watching a great heavyweight champion. You're just watching a freak show Tyson. Fury is a freak show. Yes a six foot. Nine hundred seventy pounds. Who's got who's got quick reflexes for being that big but in terms of boxing skills like somebody said how would he compare like two boxers in ninety one so I went back and looked at the box wreck top ten list for nineteen ninety one generously he might be ranked eighth on that list of a boxer in ninth? Ray Mercer would take him apart absolutely. Take him apart. You know I mean so just know what you're watching. That's all I an. I mean I don't think this is a conversation about where he ranks or how he do in a different era. I mean that's your that's your conversation. That's the response I that's why tweeted out After the fight for everyone who dare to mention on Dante. Wilders name among the great everyone of all time please leave your at the doors. You leave because you are never allowed to talk about boxing. God you are so demanding. How how did that go over? What were the responses to that? You know it was pretty quiet. Yeah Pretty Quiet. I have no idea if you put Tyson fury back in Nineteen ninety-one how he do against Holyfield or Tyson or got. I'm trying to think of the fights. I went to obviously Riddick Bowe Because I went to a bowe-holyfield fight or to Lennox where was where was Lennox. Lewis in the early nineties. Ninety one relax was ranked ten now. He was four he fought George. Foreman was probably you know on a list back? In one thousand nine hundred one air talent would have gotten most of those guys. Uh-huh right. I'M NOT GONNA I WANNA watch him fight a couple more times. I actually think there's something to him I think he's more athletic. I think he's more skilled And less you know brute. Although he is a brute man he is that and and that that that leaning all over deontay wilder who was already. You know forty he. He had forty pounds of costume followed by two hundred and seventy pounds of fury all over him and he looked exhausted at the end of the first round. Well the core is corner should have known. It was coming by the weight. That that theory came in at it was obviously. He was going to use his weight. Yup you know what the other thing. There's no could traders left in boxing anymore. Either you know. What was interesting about watching wilders corner? In that fight there was not a real sense of urgency about his condition. Now maybe that's just style and it isn't substance but I think actually Lennox Lewis at some point during the broadcast. Said they're not letting this guy. I know that he needs to show something or they're going to stop this. You know you didn't hear any of that you know. Usually you'll hear you know you go back to Angie Angelo Dundee. You GotTa Show Me Something Kid. You got to show me something you know and you didn't. There was no real discussion that you could hear with. Deontay wilder in that in that corner None but I don't know if that right Did like I I liked everything about fury and I will Be All in on whatever. The next fight is Last thing For the day Bradley beal last night. Had fifty five points against Milwaukee He is the first player since Kobe. Bryant in two thousand seven to go for fifty points or more in back to back nights not back to back games in back to back nights which are back to back games but to do it you know like he did on Sunday night and then last night he had fifty three Sunday night in their loss to the Bulls any at fifty five last night in their overtime loss to the bucks. He is second in the League right now in scoring behind James Harden. He's averaging thirty point one points per game and Tommy. He's got a chance. He's got a chance to become the bullets slash wizards all time scoring for a season guy. Walt Bellamy and sixty one sixty two average thirty one point six points per game. Gilbert's two thousand five. Two Thousand Six is second at twenty nine point three. So he is ahead of Gilbert which would make him Washington's all time single season scoring champ If he holds firm at thirty point one Here's the other interesting thing about the last two games he has. He's not like hunting shots. On every single possession. He was nineteen of thirty three last night. He shot fifty seven point six percent from the floor on Sunday night when he went for fifty three was fifteen of twenty seven when James Harden gets fifty plus. There's forty shot attempts in the game. Beal had twenty seven on Sunday night thirty-three last night he got to the line a bunch on on Sunday night on. That's for sure. And he's killing it from behind the ARC. He is right now in this league. He's become in elite score. It's really hard to debate that. He has become an elite score. I don't think he's an elite player. I wouldn't even have them anywhere near my top ten and it'd be really difficult for me to get him even in my top fifteen of players in the NBA but he is putting on quite a scoring display and he's done it with significant improvement overall in his game. It's not just because John Wall's not there or there are another good players. He's just a better off offensive player all the way around. I still don't love the fact that you know. He's up there in turnovers per game at nine. Last night COULDA had fourteen very close to having more than that. But beal is having you know from an offensive scoring standpoint. And all time franchise season and so we are entering just when you don't think it's possible. A whole new chapter of wizards fertility that. They're going to waste the greatest scoring season any player in their franchise ever had. This is a whole new level. Haven't done this before. Yeah I don't know what the won't Bellamy. Bullets were in sixty one sixty two but I know I know Gilbert seasons you know. We're playoff series playoff feet. I thought they were Meraj but they were at least playoff. Seasons Bernard Bernard King Average. Twenty eight point four nine hundred ninety one. I'm pretty sure they were in the playoffs that year. So so this is a new South Europe utility. They're they're taking the best offensive season a player ever has for them and they're probably GONNA win. What if they're lucky thirty games is here? Yeah Yeah I mean. They're they're they're actually in the playoff hunt. They've lost three straight games. They're not gonNA make plans Yeah I thirty games that that at this point what are they played? How many games that they played they got like twenty something left. They hear this twenty and thirty six fifty six to twenty six game yet left so they'd have to go ten in sixteen to reach thirty games a bit of a reach. That it's doable barely. We can only hope that magical thirty which can only hope I I don't think that Bradley beal's ever going to be a player. That can be your number one player in have you be A. You know a significant threat to win anything meaningful He you know he's doing this without a lot around him right now. In the obvious you know expectation. Is that John Wall and Bradley. Beal are going to be together next year. We just don't know John Wall's going to look like they've gotta develop another player. You know another really good player bottom line in the NBA. And it's you know it's not opinion anymore. It's pretty much fact. You gotTa have a top five player to win at all period. If you don't have a top five player you're basically playing for you know winning a series or to you know may if you're lucky you get to the Eastern Conference finals or the Western Conference finals. But you're not you're not playing for title you gotTa have a top five player to play in win an NBA title. And they don't have that they don't even have a top ten player no matter what beal's doing right now and he's fun to watch scoring. I mean he really he can do it. He's got mid range. He's got long range. She's got post up he. He has the ability to get to the rim anytime he wants and finish. He is a tough guard right now. I mean there's no doubt about it. He is a tough guard. They triple team last night when they were down three. At the end of overtime there was no way the bucks we're GonNa let him get a shot off and they nearly Troy Brown. Junior had a corner three tight when halfway down came out if he had tied that bill would have set the record. The single game scoring mark which Gilbert holds with that sixty that he had that night At staples against the Lakers in overtime sixty to be fair to be fair at at this point Basically I think it's safe to say that Ernie Grunfeld got that draft choice right. Yes he did. Yeah I mean absolutely I mean you've got that one right you know again not a not a top five NBA player. You know I mean He. He Ernie never hit on Kawhi Leonard like I would have hit on. Had Been The general manager. But you call you call that but but Bradley beal was a Hill. Bradley beal as a hit no doubt about it. I mean I take time. I think it's time with Ernie God and having retired the Ernie Grunfeld won loss record. I think it's time to to resurrect the one loss record. But under Ted Leonsis. What's the franchises? One law head start? Start under Ted. I'd be more. Yeah I think we're ready for it for that because I think it's it's it's GonNa be interesting under transparent said. He has a plan now but I think the interesting thing in all honesty is going to be what happens to Scott. You know he got that big deal. Scott Brooks's a nice guy players like him. I was never a Fan. Really of his coaching at Oklahoma City. I think there's a lot of basically just let the players figured out but the NBA. He's not the only one that does it like I'm watching that game last night and You know and it's basically when it got to overtime. There's no real plan offensively. For any team you know they. It's just your stars or asked to make a play. You know boot and Holzer's the coach in Milwaukee you know he's basically just saying Chris Middleton go get it 'cause Janas in here and the wizards just handed beal same makeup play. It really is. It's interesting what basketball has evolved into and I know it's been this way for a while but it really is so much whether or not you've got the players I think basketball's always about that. You gotTa have the talent. But there's no full five-man offense in in the NBA. There's there's no five-man offense ruling college anymore. It's all basically you know. Here's our star. Here's your star and we're going to just space the floor and let our star. Make a play Kevin. I know and I'm sure to shop what you teach. It's not what you teach and you basketball but on the AAU level. This is how they brought up. This is how generation of kids are brought up. And you'RE GONNA ask them to go back and play basketball when this doesn't work they they're not going to be able to do that As far as Scott Brooks Look they're never. They're they're wasting time changing the culture With him as coach. I know what they eat a lot of money. But they're just wasting time with him as the coach if they really want to change the culture. I'll tell you I'll tell you it's to be serious. I wouldn't even worry about the coach right now. You gotta go get you gotTa go get to really good players to go with beal. Maybe HOT SUMMER TURNS OUT TO BE THAT GUY. I don't know if he does or not I still believe that Brandon Clark was the Gonzaga player that I would have taken and he's having a terrific year although I haven't really looked at him recently but At one point he was averaging. I think something like you know Twelve and seven or something like that as a rookie in in hot Shimura Hummer and gardening. But he they gotta get him a little bit tougher But who cares about the wizards? We spent far too much time and I just thought it was interesting. The deal I mean feels putting up some big numbers like you know you to me. It's not going to sit there and watch every wizards game start to finish. I haven't done that all year. But I'M GONNA be checking each night to see how many Brad Scott Brad's got a chance to have an all time franchise season and he's no doubt he. He was pissed off. Not Getting into that. That all star game. He's averaging thirty six in got snubbed from the All star game but I gotTa Tell You. I'm re- I'm rooting against them. Because I'd like to see the wall. Bellamy record stick stiff. Walt Bellamy was a stiff. He was he. He had tremendous talent off the charts talent but a real dog a real dog of a player. I mean he just he he didn't care it didn't care he was. He didn't play hard care about winning. The I wanted a worse reputations in the League the Knicks had him for a while and They had a Wall Street as a Ford and Bellamy got traded in the big deal to the Pistons that brought Dave the butcher to New York in sixty eight So I mean Bellamy was a great player but no heart no heart at all. He's in all fame. That's how good he is. All right. you got anything else. I think I contributed my we. Okay Enjoy Day. What are you GonNa do is it? Is it a nice day down there in Destin Florida? It's overcast but it's sixty six degrees so I'll be. I'LL BE GOING MYSELF. Walking on the Beach. Sitting on a deck was your wife at. Cu Oh why would she? Why would that even be a question? Aren't you happy to see me all the time? I Yeah I am but I haven't lived with you for for as long as she has so I'm GonNa different spot all right. Go enjoy the day. See I bought up the. I don't forget the team. Nine eighty seven to ten. Am Weekdays Is My radio show. You can listen to it on the team. Ninety APP the team nine eighty dot com and also in DC ON AM NINETY AND FM. Ninety five point nine FM which Is a new? Fm. I but it's actually a pretty good. Fm in most areas around town. We're GONNA leave you with the following. I don't know. Did you watch the Kobe? Bryant Service yesterday. I didn't watch on TV. But I saw all the clips being posted and was following it on social media. It was actually I thought it was. Well done the whole thing Shaq was great in a shack. Had the line where he said you know. Kobe early in his career was hogging the ball and his teammates basically went to shack INSA check. You've got you've got to tell him you know he's start passing the ball and he said I'll take care of it and he went to Kobe Bryant and he said Hey Kobe there's no I in team in Kobe's response was year but there is. There is an eminent e motherfucker which got everybody laughing Shaq was great. Jordan was breaking down crying saying Kobe got him. Because it's going to turn into a meam. Diana Tarazi was really really good. Rob Pelinka spoke. But the day was all about Vanessa. Brian I mean her eulogy you know not even a month after losing her daughter and her husband was just so incredibly moving so emotional. You know the tension to to see her less than a month. Get up and walk up there in front of us. You know a packed house the staple center and really in front of the world for all that matter people watching this all around the world. It was so beautifully delivered you know done so well under the circumstances And so we'll leave you with her last line which was really. It was a tear jerker man to watch her especially talk about her daughter That she lost but will leave you with that in case you missed it. It was the end of her incredible Eulogy Have a great day back tomorrow. God knew they couldn't be on this earth without each other. He had to bring them home together. Tape Take Care of our can. I got ninety. Bbn Cocoa we're still the best team we love and miss you booboo. Chichi both rest in peace and have find heaven until we meet again when day. We love you both and miss you forever and always mommy.

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Scherff's Tag & More Tua

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Scherff's Tag & More Tua

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports fix. Tommy is in Georgia now. Taibbi island Georgia near Savannah calling in today. And then he will be making his way back next week After a little bit more vacation time Lots to get to today including the news that Brandon. Sheriff is going to be franchise tag so we will will get to that news. I I went through a lot of the tourist stuff yesterday. Tommy a lot of the you know reports about to a Tunga. Vilo it to the red skins at number two. I definitely want you to weigh in on some of that As well but How's your trip going are you are you? I I would just think at some point When you get to a certain age I'm not calling you old all right. I'm just saying when you get to a certain age and during the winter. You've vacation in warm. Locales that you start thinking about permanently. Moving to some of those warm locales and never having to deal with cold weather again. Even though we really haven't had much of a winter but have you thought about potentially moving from this area at any point to a warm weather place. Not really often northeast. Kinda guy tried and true Plus you know I mean I don't mind Donating my money to the Southern regions On a temporary basis but to be a permanent resident and pay taxes and somebody's backwards saints. No I don't think that would be the reason that would be one of the really But some of the tax money to some of these people. No no no no no the thing about it though for you and I'm just trying to think I'm not I'm not accusing you But I don't know offhand. Other than smoking cigars you know hanging out You know occasionally maybe making your way to you. Know a sporting event you know whether it's the dog track or spring training game but you don't have what I would call like a lot of warm weather hobbies like playing golf as an example. Where surfing were yeah. I don't do don't do any of that but I do. I do get energy. I think like most people I do feel better when I'm by the Water. I mean it just it just makes you feel tired you know with the CD Ocean you know you go near Houston. When you've got to do is see it. Why is that? I don't know there's probably all kinds of psychology about it but I think it's a real thing I think it's makes us all feel better. I don't know something with the womb. Maybe no Yeah the Sally. I don't know I guess it was. I don't remember a lot of and in the womb when I was defeated. I don't know I actually think and I could be way off on this which I probably him but I think that the physics like the sound of the waves. is very relaxing and actually the impacts And maybe even alters to a certain degree like your brain patterns and it like it it sort of a lulls you or or put you into a a relaxed state. I remember reading that years ago. I don't know that could have been you know that could have been a a marketing brochure for a beach town for all. I know But I think there are the the sound of the ocean. You know when you're I can tell you this personally if I'm at the beach and I am on the beach or close to the beach and I got the windows open and I'm hearing waves crash and I'm hearing the water. I have always slept so much better. You know especially if there is a simultaneous like breeze sea breeze coming through you know the window or the deck of hotel or whatever It is there's definitely something that promotes. I think better sleep unless of course you're hammered and then the alcohol is going to affect you know maybe maybe take away from some of that effect eeking of hammered on Sunday We've visited this lighthouse and Museum Erin. Taibbi island it's a pretty big lighthouse. Probably but it wasn't open but they had a museum and they had a fort there too. It's about the fifteenth big is on East Coast But unfortunately we couldn't go inside but the fort they had like They had a beach bar. Nearby and We walk in there and I asked shrink menu and he gives me a trick menu and I see on their can't of all kinds of beer including red stripe for two dollars a can. I said there must be a misprint. And says I said that's two dollars. She said No. That's no misprint. It was red stripe and sixteen ounce red stripe. Wow Wow how many hours did you just buy you? You should buy a couple of cases of it and bringing them back. Let me tell you something. I try. Somebody reds types. That afternoon that she started ringing them for free. That is funny. I've had a red stripe in for ever like I. I think we were in. I think we took a trip a few years ago to the Bahamas before these hurricanes came through the last couple of years by the way. Did Anybody Watch that sixty minutes? What watch sixty minutes on Sunday night? First of all they had Bloomberg there is an interview with Bloomberg but then there was just. I mean the the Bahamas are still recovering from that. Category Five hurricane came through last summer. And it's GONNA be years before three but but I think that's the last time I had a red straight is is red stripe a Jamaican beer or Jamaica it's Jamaican yes. But it's brewed. I think in Denmark as over there on their to making you know a flag or something like that But it is. It's it's an imported the're dollars a you know. I mean I posted it on. I was so happy I posted a twitter facebook and I still got pushback from people saying you know read right and that's a lousy beer. Well well we'll tell me a lot. You news the biggest beer snob I've ever met in my life is Scotland beside that A lot of people are I look. I would drink anything when I was younger. I mean anything cheap. I would drink like in college like I still remember. This is actually a really good topic. I think we we may have done this together once or maybe it was cool. I can't remember But but You know like the cheap beer that you drank and you actually liked in college. We drank a lot of Milwaukee's best because it was super cheap. And not that bad and we drink a lot of Bush like Bush was a very cheap beer to and I didn't think Bush was that terrible but you don't find me drinking Milwaukee's best now like Red Stripe in Rolling Rock in all of those beers were sort of in the same category. Am I right or wrong? Red Fracas in poor fear so yeah I put it. In of course domestic versus stripe was definitely when you were a freshman in college. It's like Oh you're going fancy you're getting read style really okay. But it's so anyway. It's not just because this'll pretentious. I mean you know don't preach the me I've had intimate relationships fear for fifty years. I know you are more than most people could ever dream of at boy scout camp at night so stop with the with the beer snob free. Well I'm not a beer snob. I I at all. I mean I know a lot of beer snobs and I also know you and again as I've said many times what makes you so. Complex is your simplicity and not only. Do you not mind super cheap beer that tastes like piss water. You eat a ham and cheese sandwich with it and you're just as happy as a pig and poop so I know you when it comes to food and drink. I wouldn't consider you to be super sophisticated but nor am I When it comes to beer so I mean if I were with you. I'd be drinking red stripe to I'd have no problem with it But still the back to the original reason for this conversation two bucks you better be buying a ton of it and bring it home with you. I hope I don't get top crossing state lines you can. You can take beer across state lines. I don't think you can say is that. Is that true you could beer come on beer? I know in Delaware and I. I don't know if the same people for years in Pennsylvania Delaware had no sales tax pro. I mean people would drive for Philly to Delaware and buy liquor and wine and some people get up and get fine for you know So in the last couple of years with my son Corbin playing a lot of music and playing music live on occasion. I've gone down to see him. You know in various areas around town shaw dupont. Wherever he's been playing and when I go into some of these places Tommy You know the bar. It's it you know in the venue. It's not like it's it's not like there are a lot of choices and what I've noticed in recent years is that they're two beers in particular that it's just shocking to me now. One of them. I think you're GonNa know about the popularity of it with sort of the hipster crowd. I guess Erin more than anything else. But definitely millennials the whole pabst blue ribbon thing like every one of these venues I go to. There's PABST it's on tap it's in a can and everybody's drinking it and I'll be honest. They call it PBR. I know yeah well there was when I was young. Everybody called a PBR. But the other one Tommy is Schlitz and Schlitz is undrinkable. I'm not a beer snob at all. That is awful beer you know. Pbr is not that good either. I mean if we're being honest here but it's better than Schlitz I remember my uncle drew. He that was his beer. Schlitz you know like in the nineteen seventies remember. You know if he's coming over to the House or at my grandmother's my uncle Gerry Drank Schlitz that in and of course Whiskey sours which we all which might my father and uncle drank That were they. Make up the batches of Whiskey sours on the way to Redskin Games at ten thirty in the morning. But what's interesting is at my wedding reception. Which which we pay for Listen I at a vfw in Wayne Pennsylvania. We didn't have an open bar but we had all the beer you can shrink and all the whisky sour you could turn you know what. That's not a bad combination It's still every once in a while. Whisky Sour is not bad at all this but now you mentioned you mentioned. Let's Y'all we never drank we. We even thought back back in the days where we would drink anything like you wouldn't think it was terrible terrible then right and it never occurred to us to drink past. Blue Ribbon. It's occur there were some local cheap beers in the poconos Sag Meyer Was WAS PRETTY CHEAP. Beer woke spare and when I was in Florida we used to drink. Drink teals real trash for a buck. Nineteen six pack and sometimes for a bucket six pack you could get orbit beer and I think one one dollar for a six pack it was called Morbidity with. Yeah I think or beer drinking when I first down. At least you had an excuse which splits. We wish what was Schlitz? Was it a Pennsylvania Beer Thousand Milwaukee? Yeah Okay Alpha. I'm sorry I remember Schmitz I can you and I both did you. And I both collected beer cans right. We've had that conversation. Yeah so smitten with out of Philly. We leased drinks out of thoughts. And one thing about slits always remember. I was doing a project already Donovan. The old ball colts defensive tackle. And every time you went to his house you had brings. The package slipped form. It was required. He wouldn't let door if you didn't bring one Schmitz. Correct me if I'm wrong. There was the beer that had the you know the scantily clad women on it and that one that wasn't Schmitz but Schmitz had like a changing decoration on it. Do you know what I'm talking about. I don't remember remember earn centennial. They all did that well. I and nuts with with bicentennial. Can I remember but I think that the Schmitz had more and then what's the beer? I'm thinking of that. Had the women on it the the you know the basic basically you know not necessarily fading beauty. We're talking not necessarily bathing beauties but it would change to like iron. Holly Girl Note wasn't Saint Pauli girl Iron City you know had the changing the only reason I know this is. I didn't drink those beers but I. I was one of those twelve year olds or thirteen year olds at collected beer cans. You know in the late nineteen seventies. You know because it was like the thing to do and I don't I for whatever reason a lot of guys did that and I always had the champion steelers on it and then would have various you know cans printed with various steeler players. I wanted to take the pirates and the penguins yeah pirates and penguins. That's right I don't remember this. This fear you're talking about the one beer would scantily clad women who were not bathing beauties with old frothing slash. That's the one I'm thinking of. Okay they weren't. They weren't attractive women but they were women in bathing suits. And my right. That's the beer on all frothing slush. Here we'll have a can or two of those and And I don't know that that was a domestic beer. I think it was you. Do I think it was eight at Pittsburgh to okay? All right bye iron city all right. Well tweet Tommy or me your favorite all-time cheap beer. All right At Kevin Sheehan D. C. at Tom Lavoro. I think my number one for me would probably be in terms of super cheap beer willing to drink it willing to drink a lot of it and not think that it tasted horrible. With Milwaukee's best is a great cheap beer and I think I think I Yeah Bush would be the second could not drink Schlitz or PBR. Any of that. That's to me was undrinkable. Make even for you even for you always central you know but but beers with words like blonde in them and and and other things. I don't like those I mean. Yeah I mean that's what like multi Molson Golden. No no no. That's in the local craft. Beer is always. Oh well. They're basically indicative of a lighter. Beer right I know I know that. I don't. I don't like thicker appear Saddam. I'll tell you what I'm not. It's very hard for me to drink more a lot of as like. I don't mind drinking and IPA but to drink three four five. I as I don't know how people do that. Its Way to you. Know hoppy is is the thing and I P as right like there. It's too much of a harsh taste Although I did do that once last year we just kept delivering. I P as in and they do. They typically can have very high alcohol yet they can you know a PB alcohol by volume levels In fact I think the one we drank was like eleven twelve percent. Something like that. Did I tell you the story? We're GONNA get to sports here in a second What's that restaurant is a call a world of Beer Erin world of beer world of beer? Yes they've got one in Bethesda yes now and they have you know. I don't know seven hundred kinds of beer. Whatever so they were a client of the stations. was this with you or was this with Cooley. Were we were out Nash? Burn in we met with one of the world of beer sales people at one of the world of beer stores was at you or Cooley. Sorry what's it make okay? So we're out there and you know they start bringing beers over and they bring this one over. That really tasted great. That was the first one they brought over and like man. That's really really good like that's excellent. Like that is so it was too sweet but it wasn't like one of those truly like sweet beers like that almost tastes like chocolate milkshake But it was just. It was perfect. And you know it's the middle of the day by the way You know it's like one o'clock in the afternoon and they brought over second one. I drink the second one and after the second one went down I was feeling like beyond feeling it. I'm like oh it was a seventeen percent. Abc Beer Oh my good- that that's outrageous it. I'm sitting there. I'm like how what what what level of of alcoholism this beer. And they said the sixteen point seven percent or whatever. And I'm like Oh my God. I'm I'm not only feeling it. I'm actually legitimately hammered. I basically just drank a six pack of Budweiser. Twenty minutes and so I you know I sat there and I dialed it back for a while and had a couple of super low level beers like no more. This sixteen point seven please. Let's get it down to the five percent area and had a couple more and then ate lunch. I had no business driving from Ashbourne back to Bethesda that particular afternoon. I was shocked at nobody. Likes sort of gave me a heads up that. Hey you know you you know if you're driving you may just want to have one of these two of 'em or maybe just a half a one not two of them But anyway I like beer so much more now than I did. I drank a lot of beer in college in high school. Definitely a lot of beer lot of you know. What time did I tell you this story? That About a year ago my son had a big sort of party at the house which I let him have. 's over the summer even think my wife was home and he. I think it was it was I first birthday. Actually I'm and he had. He had a lot of people house. I probably shouldn't tell the story but it doesn't matter he's now of age so it it doesn't matter anymore But they got a keg and you know kids these days they don't get kegs they just don't know and now they don't and and I love keg beer like there's nothing better than pouring out of super cold keg you know keg beer lead Budweiser. And that's what I ended up getting I got. I think I got him. Budweiser And it was great like I sat there when everything is left and I just went downstairs and sat there and had a couple of. That's all we when I was in high school that we got a keg from Albertson River road every single Friday night. You know we gotTA YOU KNOW QUARTER TO TIM. Sometimes a half keg. Which would last that Friday night? You know ended the day on Saturday. But they don't get keg beer anymore but it was funny because they got it and they had no idea how to tap it which is why they got it and they were trying to tap it and they called me downstairs. You're like we don't know how this works and so I hadn't tapped keg forever but you know it's like getting on a bike brother Yeah but it's a lot easier to tap it now but I go back to the days where it ordered that where to tap a Keg. You had to slam rod down. I use Rod was attached to the to the tap had to slam it down to make sure the And start shooting out right I it. It was a pain in the ASS. It was not a pain in the ASS. Now you know what? Here's a question for you. Are you all enough to remember drinking beer from cone top cans? No no no but I have a cone top cans from my collection. I do remember how valuable they were. Oh yeah and I thought this in an old house foundation up in the Poconos when I used go digging for you know because workers. That's the way you found them in old factories that were torn down old houses right because when they were building these places they would drink beer and just throw them in the in the in the foundation and I had a card goal cone top fear from Scranton which still have. It's not in the best thing but it's it's a decent shape. I'm reading about these right now. First of all I when I collected beer cans you know middle middle school junior high school We did some of the same things that you talked about like we would go. We would go to you know down by the river. I live pretty close to the Potomac River in Montgomery County and we would go down and look for places in deg in you know an actually fine. You know beer cans and we actually found a cone top a beer. Can that way. But I'm reading about them right now. They were introduced in nineteen thirty five. If if just Google Konta beer you'll see what we're talking about. It actually had a cone as as the top of it. It wasn't like a pull tab you know to to open up the beer And Cone Tops. Were designed in response to flattop beer cans as a hybrid between beer bottle and flattop can cone. Tops were specially attractive to smaller breweries. Which did not have the capital necessary to buy new canning machinery They were made throughout World War. Two and they were continued up until nineteen sixty when they stopped making them that way. They are now considered collector's items. And I remember when I when I was a kid party and they were considered collector. Adamson yeah I I never got a you know the cone top. I mean when we were growing up. Ftp The oil added came in a cone. Top can you so? That's that's what it really look like. You know you just one more thing about cakes just to see how things have changed over the year when we first started doing bump stock like Twenty six twenty seven years ago from stock. I'm trip to Wyoming my no. No no many bump stocks. You have you every August with all my friends from high school. We've got five. Oh at at midnight. We were out Harry the new party you got five half kegs by affects. There's how many of you were there. There were well. There are a lot of us and we were still in shrinking We ran out at midnight in Harry Potter. Friends is to sell us from his car at midnight. Saturday night we have another day. Tell me how I think we. We have a have a half keg. I could be right. You get three hundred. Eight ounce bottles. I think it's three hundred eight outclassed disappear. Yeah I yeah I thought I thought it was even more than that. I thought it was even more than that. I'd have to look it up six affect my God crazy anyway. All right whatever We're done with this conversation. Let's get this was fun though. Let's get to sports Before we get to the Brandon Sheriff stuff. Do you want weigh in on any. How much have you been following from the road about the two tongue of Isla You know Rumors and reports. Yesterday the South Florida Sun Sentinel said that the Redskins essentially met with two told them they were interested in having him compete with Dwayne Haskins because they weren't sure yet about Haskins I that report sort of is among a couple of others that suggests that the redskins could You know Mike Silver suggested. The redskins absolutely could consider to at number two or a quarterback at number two. Did you WANNA weigh in on that? I've been Yes I have been following to a report From the road in the Sun Sentinel one seems so stupid on so many levels I don't see how you feasibly have a competition between Suet and Haskins and I don't see how this help if if if they really think they need to draft in order to to motivate Haskins and. He's sweet definitely the wrong guy you know so you know. I think we're missing the point of the simplicity of this Ron Rivera was linebacker in the NFL. It was a long backers coach. He's a defensive coach. He's GonNa Threat. See Young agree. That's it I mean he's GonNa he's not GonNa Tinker with a quarterback and risk missing out on. Maybe the best linebacker prospect in the past. I know I W- recent memory. He's not that outside defensive end he he chased defensive end. Yeah I I agree with you. I agree with you. I wanted to mention one other thing is I was setting it up for your answer because I forgot to mention this yesterday I mentioned that the report in the South Florida Sun. Sentinel didn't sort of tie it back to Ron Rivera because JP Finley come out and said Ron Rivera wasn't even in the meeting with two. And I mentioned it didn't really matter. That's not what was reported. Well apparently the first version of the story that I didn't read did have in it that Ron Rivera was part of the meeting with two and then they amended the story. So I got like the corrected version. Tommy which didn't have that part in there so I want to. Just make sure that everybody was was clear on that. I actually didn't think of it from the angle that you thought of it. From which is you know. If they've got a draft to it to motivate dwayne. They got the wrong guy. Anyway I would agree with that. I didn't mention that yesterday. I just think that I just think that right now. The the bottom line is that they would be nuts to take to a Tunga Vilo off of three surgeries in twenty two months at number two overall and I just don't think they're gonNa do it and I'm not even a real big fan of those Or in in agreement with those who say the Redskins are just trying to throw it out there to generate more interest like there's already interest. Nobody's GonNa believe that they're going to take them if they're not gonNA take it. Just I think the reds and I don't think the redskins criticized Wayne so I think there was some parts of this report that were wrong. I just think it was one of those time. A you know this right like he sits down with the team. The team says hey you know if we did draft you. Would you have a problem if you had to compete with Dwayne Haskins? And he said no and then he told his agent and his agent blew it up into something really wasn't but I'm also with you. If they do draft a quarterback at number two. Dwayne Haskins is gone. There's no competition if you take Joe Borough or to go by lower at number two. You're taking them. Because you've decided the your guy isn't as good as this guy and you're betting the next ten years that this is going to be your guy and you're going to give every chance to either prove it or disprove it. The other guy's gone this isn't cuyler. Murray and Jin Josh Rosen. It isn't it's not the same situation. Different coach different offense that they had Arizona and by the way they got rid of Josh. Rosen your one hundred. Percent Right about was a Injury history. This is the kind of player that the Redskins have got criticized for traffic and the pest damage square that they think they can get you know that they can. They think they can fix I I would think they try to stay away from that. There's a lot of questions about his ability to play and stay healthy. And why do you need? Why do you need look my issues again with Wayne? Haskins are all related to the owner and and Has Been off the field Activities I think he saw enough of the way he played that. Fear to think that you've got to see this through that quarterback is not the position. You should really be worried about at this point when you have an opportunity to to fill other needs so I think we need to keep it simple. They have a quarterback he seemed to function. Okay without any weapon. I might point out And with Lousy Coaching Booth and You know we have a chance to draft. That's bracing changing defensive player from all accounts. What's what's so hard about this. I don't think there's much hard about it but you know the the thing that I made this point yesterday when you are This draft is in some ways unique in that not only. Do you have perceived franchise quarterbacks with elite quarterback potential at the top of this draft. You also have a generational pass rusher potential wise and chase young. So if you're in the top two or three spots. There's just GONNA be a ton a Shitload of rumors in stories in opinion about what's going to go on here at the top of this draft. If the redskins were picking seventeen there would be no redskin discussion really I mean. I know there were rumors last year. You know about the redskins trading up and I think that's in part because the owner wanted Haskins and actually fortunately got talked out of trading up for him You know because that would have made it even worse Even though he may have ultimately gotten a right but anyway. I just think that we're going to be dealing with these stories. In these rumours in these quotes in these you know their pro days to be had there is either agents trying to position themselves you know and the Redskins have one of these prized picks in sort of a unique draft. I mean I I know. Last year it was nick. Bosa in Cuyler Murray. At the top of the draft couple of years ago Myles Garrett was at the top of the draft myles Garrett coming out was wiz really evaluated as a good really good player but not in the same way young's being discussed and clearly Mitch. Trubisky wasn't being talked up in the same way to Joe. Burrow into a tongue of low are so You know the redskins are going to be at the center of a lot of this from now until draft night. What about the full rivers for for I? I don't see it Tommy. I don't see it I mean I don't think there's one that's even easier than what we said about if they draft. You know number two. If they draft Philip Rivers Haskins stays but rivers is here to start next year and maybe one year beyond that and that would be a clear indication of what I talked about last week in that is you know. They think they have a chance to turn it around quickly and content for something this year. They're going to be super aggressive in free agency Without question in my mind and And and and in Philip rivers would sort of fit that we think we can do something. This year mindset. I would agree. I mean I get. I think it's it's pretty good. It's it's not gonNA be dramatic draft at least the first night. I think the Redskins are pretty. You know like I said I think lane Haskins over your starter going into training camp next year and I think We'll be part of what could be a pretty good defense. Yeah I agree with that. I'm quick word here about my bookie. Ag It's March. It's springtime March madness. Right around the corner Saint Patrick's Day right around the corner. That's a good beer day. 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May between some Industry down here in Savannah and island and they just started coming directly. So there's a big Irish population down. There very surprised There are there are a lot of of pockets in towns of of lots of Irish. You know There there are couple of towns on on the shore in New Jersey that basically. It's like the Irish Catholic Mafia Actually there the town I mentioned to you My Wife's father Their THEIR PLACE. He still up in that area. Spring Lake New Jersey which is near Belmar and Avon by the sea and and Manosque won- and some of those towns They basically refer to Spring Lake as you know the Irish Riviera because it. I think there are a lot of places like that on the East Coast. You know little towns that end up being Sort of Culture League you know Predominant something right predominant Talia predominant Jewish predominant Irish predominant something But whatever you get much more of that on the East Coast than you do on the west coast very little on the west coast all right. Let's get to this brand and sheriff news which was broken by General Lane. Espn reporter she actually covers. The buccaneers Aaron probably knows Jenna She tweeted out late yesterday. Not sure if this has been reported but league sources have told me that they expect the Redskins to Franchise Tag Brandon. Sheriff now tagging share. Which by the way is in a surprise If you're redskin Fan You know the long term deal was a possibility. The TAG was a possibility letting brandon share for make it to free agency was really the lowest of of the probabilities. But depending on. What kind of Tag Brandon? Sheriff gets You know he's GonNa make sixteen point one million dollars in twenty twenty and. I think I've mentioned this before. But if I haven't a mention it now for the first time in the NFL. Basically these franchise tags The the amount that you get paid if you play on the tag and by the way the Redskins can still try to negotiate a long term deal with branded sheriff. All the way up until July fifteenth or shortly before training camp begins but for the position of offensive Lineman So the franchise tag value works. This way you get the average of the top five salaries at your position if you play under the franchise tag all right. There are franchise tags transition tags. There's actually multiple kinds of franchise tags exclusive and non exclusive. I'M NOT GONNA get into all of that. But basically the average top five salary for offensive Lineman is sixteen point one million dollars. That's what Brandon. Sheriff will play for in twenty twenty if he plays under the tag. The interesting part of this in. I'm not sure why this happens. Is that the. Nfl LUMPS TACKLES and guards together. When coming up with the average for franchise tag purposes. I don't know why they do that. We all know. Don't we his? Nfl fans that tackles get paid more than guards and that tackles in. Many cases are more important than guards and are harder positions to play and are harder to find yet. A guard like sheriff is going to make the average of the top five salaries of guards and tackles together so the sixteen point one million if he plays under the franchise tag next year is going to be two million dollars. More than what Brandon Brooks. In Zack? Martin will make at guard. They're the two highest paid guards on an average annual in the NFL. So it's not the top five at the guard position. It's two million more than the top so it such a benefit for guards in the NFL. To be lumped in with tackles. It's weird. Why did they do it that way? I'm not sure why they do it. That way. In fact you could actually make the case. That left tackle should be separated from right. Tackle in sort of the value coming up with the value for franchise tag that may not be interesting to Utah. You're a lot of people out there. I just think it's wrong. I don't know why they do it that way but anyway sounds like it was negotiated by the Union. Probably your. That's exactly what it was. I'm sure that the yes. Well the Union didn't have a problem with right either that or they will push for it. Yeah because it would mean higher pay for all offensive linemen. That's right because the top five average is going to be for tackles the all the top five are all going to be tackles contracts. So you're right the players would have wanted. Yeah I could see that he would be about four million more Williams with me he will be may making four million more than Trent Williams. Trent Williams plays for twelve nine dollars a year. That kind of funny. Yeah Chick Hernandez had something on that. I was going to get to that momentarily So anyway so sheriff looks like he's in for this year and I by the way he's really good you know when he's available. He's missed fourteen games the last two years. Let's not forget that. But he's really good and he would have gotten a big contract on the open market. There's no doubt in my mind but I mean to say this. About what what this illustrates and this has been a chronic problem. Particularly during the Bruce how era and needs to be addressed. Because the good organizations do this. It's not just the starting offensive Lineman at the Redskins have maybe struggle with from time to time redskins have been terrible at offensive. Flying tip absolutely terrible. I mean there's no next man up usually for this team that's serviceable and this is why you have to pay Fifteen million dollars to regard. Because you know I mean you know you may like West Martin now but you know I mean you haven't seen enough of them to be able to have faith in them. They're just they've just been terrible at building depth in the offensive line. And I'm sorry to do this but I always point to the Ravens who see opposite when it comes to building offensive line death and and finding those linemen in the fourth and fifth round of the draft that winds up starting for them three years later the Redskins have to get on that train. Yeah I mean no doubt so in thinking about sheriff getting tagged last night I came up with a. You heard it here first. This is not a report okay. This isn't me breaking news or anything but I did sort of the simple logic in the simple math on Eric flowers okay. Kazaric flowers was the other starting guard last year and by the way played really well. Flowers flowers was that in. GotTa give him. You GotTa Give Bill Callahan Credit for that. Well that's what I'm going to get to here okay. Flowers was coached into a career saving season. At GUARD HIS FIRST YEAR GUARD BY BILL. Callahan in two thousand Nineteen Bill. Callahan is in Cleveland. The browns not only have a ton of cap space this year. They have a need at guard. You heard it here. First Eric Flowers to the browns. Now that sheriff's been tagged right. It's not not reporting this mind. You okay just an educated guess based on what would seem to be logical. You've signed sheriff. He may have to play at sixteen point. One million dollars. Your other guard can be West Martin. Who played a little bit? And who they like Eric. Flowers turned himself into a guard with value. Who can sign a decent deal next year? A deal that the redskins probably won't come up with not to mention the fact that he will likely want to sort of be back with the guy that saved his career Bill Callahan on a team with cap space and team with a need at one guard position. So there you go. You heard it here. I Eric Flowers goes to Cleveland Make sense to me anyway May Not thanks to some of you. I wanted to read a tweet that Ben Standing put out yesterday and talk about this for a second if you don't mind Ben Put out this tweet. It's part of a story that he wrote about sort of the reality of the second pick. Which sort of leads back to Cheat Chase young yet right? Athletic great rates for the Athletic Benz. Doing a really good job of writing for the athletic two. I know that the people that I have on the show a lot this show or the radio show your you know you probably hear me. Say I really think in respect their work. Well not you know. I'm I'm not building up for the purposes of you know. Gist sang it. The reason I have on the show is because I think they're good you know if they weren't good. I wouldn't have them on the show Benz Good Ben Ri- right Salata. He Breaks News. He's done a really good job for the athletic. Since taking over the Redskins beat which you know before. He had sort of the wizards beat in the college basketball beat for so many years but anyway he wrote a story that sort of you know reset reality on the number two pick. But it's a part of the story that I wanted to share with you. Talk about he said not only would tour at to remove a local kid chase young from the scene. It surely would do the same with local Kid Dwayne Haskins. Does that sound like a Dan? Snyder move a source told Ben that Dan wants chase like he wanted Dwayne. He loves it that he's from the area so my reaction to reading that was Jesus God like He. This dude just misses it at every turn. He just doesn't have a fricken clue. Okay he should have nobody. That roots for this team would ever say. Get me the Matha Kid. Even if he's not as good as the kid that's from Kansas like who gives a shit about whether or not the kids local. I'm not saying that. Hey It's great that he's local he's Damalf again. It's great that he's a redskin but that's not. Why would want chase young to play for my team? I would want chase young Twain Haskins to play for my team because they were great players. Chase young could be from. Timbuktu after watching him at Ohio State. I want the Redskins to take them at number two like this is the part to me where I know that you know. I'm not breaking news here. That he's a terrible owner like somebody who tweeted this to me a little while ago this Ivan Guy that calls me all the time in the show and I and I love you if you listen to the podcast to your entertaining. You're funny And you say just ridiculous stuff that that turns it into good conversation but somebody he basically said you know you. You're always when I went through this rain. He said you're always trying to turn everybody against owner. Dan Snyder to somebody says somebody tweeted. I agree with Ivan one hundred percent about this junior. You try and turn everyone against the owner. Dan Snyder and I just responded to him. Why on Earth would you think that anyone would have to try and turn everyone against Dan Snyder like? Are you serious like I would never have to say a thing about Dan? Snyder and the overwhelming significant majority opinion of him is that he's a terrible owner whose ruined something that was so special to the city but anyway everybody knows that except for a few people but you know. Sometimes I wonder like I know that That he's disconnected from sort of reality when it comes to the team and maybe the last couple of years were a real dose of reality going to those games and seeing nobody there. It's one thing to see fifty thousand there Tommy and not be able to see because if you're sitting in those sweets it's really actually hard to look and see the upper deck. An empty sat in the booth before. You actually can't arts your head through the glass and look up to see the upper deck so anyway my point is I think when fifty thousand or there he can be fooled into he still. Has You know a significant fan base that you know wants them to win in his still showing up and everything I think the last two years have been a bit of an issue but you know the fact that that a local kid would even play into a decision of football decision just shows you how completely and utterly clueless he is. There is nothing okay. Does it work? Maybe better for harvest fest or the draft a party or for a couple of you know events charity events. That the kid that chase you young went to Damalf in that the Dwayne Haskins went to Bolus? Okay but nobody cares. The greatest players in the history of this organization are not from here. John Riggins is from Kansas. Would it would would. It have made it better if he had gone to Gonzaga. No He's the greatest player ever Darryl Green Texas you know Art Monk in the New York. Come on this is. I'm not sitting here saying that. It's the only reason he's looking at chase young. He understands but the fact that it's important to him blows me away. It's so insignificant to me as it is I would to most fans on this I I mean he may be down the redskins marketing and and Neider maybe down to the point where they're actually county heads of people that come the game right and if they think they can get the. Matha you know Social Club Up. Maybe up to you now. You're exaggerating okay. I don't think it's F- fast. I think I think they probably accurate if I think right down to it. I think they're counting on people. Get Missouri Brash. Young you can get the Matha football boosters to show up to the Games there you go. I mean I'm sure that's a pretty big booster club. Math is a powerhouse. Yeah but the second thing Ed and I see this I see on the baseball side with the learners who owned the team since two thousand six and I just don't get it. Snyder owned the Redskins for twenty years and made every mistake. You could possibly think of and created a few new ones. You would think after twenty years for being that close at a business he would have learned. Something would have learned that that this this this is nothing that this means doing nothing to the fan base. It has no impact on. I mean what's far more important is whether or not a player is good that where he's from and output. The player is and if he has learned that in twenty years he'll never learn anything he'll never change. Never you know part of it could be the desperation of of coming up with ways to attract people look. He may have turned out to be right about Twain Haskins but there's no doubt that one of the reasons he pressed for join Haskins. He was a local kid at the high school that his son went to you know. Don't don't don't scoff at that people out there okay. If Twain Haskins had played it Ohio state but had gone to high school in Cleveland. The owner would not have been in there telling his football people to draft him. Okay that it was it had to do with the local impact. Net Chase Young. You know a again. It's an easy thing. Trae young 'cause he's thrill deal any alad guy that should be picked either number one or number two overall but the fact that it's important to him And that chases like a lock to be drafted because Dan wants chase like you did Dwayne because he loves that. He's from the area. I'm telling you Tommy. I'm born and raised in this area as the owner is okay if I were running this team or were the general manager whether or not someone was local. Wouldn't mean anything to me. Anything the only thing I would say to. You is over the years if you look at. Nfl teams they will occasionally draft more players or sign more undrafted players as free agents. That are from some of the local schools in part because they had a chance to see him play more. You know they got to see. They not only saw the kid play live on tape. They saw him on. Tv more of the local aspect of it. They heard more chatter about it so they looked into that player. A little bit more than others. You see you will see some of that over the years and sometimes it works out and sometimes it didn't. I'll tell you what if he was really interested in the local angle. I wish he'd been interested in that. When Stefan digs came out in that draft because he should not gone fifth round a mirror concerns about him and that was McLaren's first draft right mcleans first draft was the Jamison crowder draft. If I read your second draft crowder I think it was this first draft. I think crowder and chair for in the same draft so I would've taken digs Because I just thought digs was was better but anyway I just wanted to point out. It's another indication when you hear stuff like that. If true in by the way I can totally see it being true I can totally hear it. See It have others who I know that. Know him talking about it that this is the kind of stuff that's important him because you know he's always thinking about the marketing angle you know he's never thinking about the you know what the right thing to do to win. Which is the ultimate marketing You know platform But he's always thinking about the other stuff you know to draw attention to the team if I if he asked me. If it was important about drafting kids from the area I would say a hundred percent. No not important even a little bit. Couldn't give a shit. I'm the I'm a lifelong fan of the team. And I don't care if chase young or de Lasalle Sal and California doesn't matter to me you draft the best team winning team. You could argue that in some cases it's a drawback because now you've got this kid have family and friends bugging him locally all the time or the kid. Yes you could actually throwback for for a lot of times At it doesn't help. You know the one sport where I think it does have an impact Is Baseball if you try if you draft a local kid but local Philadelphia kid like like the phillies? If they had my trout on their team Steve. You know that would that would be harder. That would be phenomenal like You know I mean so. I think I think baseball. Like cal ripken with the Orioles. Like Joe Mauer with twins you happen to draft a local kid who becomes star for your team. That is a big impact for for baseball team marketing wise. I guess maybe it's because you know of of the frequency of Gates hundred sixty two times the home out here lease out there But in basketball it's no big deal and it supports it doesn't I. I can see in a in an eighty one dates a year. You know sportwear. If it comes down to wouldn't be bad to have a local get. Look those are the sports that need to come up with marketing angles to sell tickets. You know the NFL has one marketing angle win. You know people are GonNa Watch and people are gonNA come out when you win More so than. Hey you know come out and watch the local kid on July fifth on Bat night and local kid night so yeah I just I read that and I was like. Oh my God like I you know again. I someone will say Oh. You're taking it out of context. You're exaggerating that's fine. If you think that but trust me I wouldn't have had the reaction if I didn't think that it was really likely true. Like I think his mind works in sort of what will get people interested in the team and he's missed the number one thing that will get people interested in the team for twenty years winning. That's the only thing that matters the stadium in landover could be built another ten times there if you had superbowl champion or super bowl. Contending teams coming back year after year and very few people would be complaining about the traffic or the this scene. Or whatever and you'd have no issues selling tickets none Last last couple of things here. So the Trent Williams thank continues to get sort of more interesting by the day Chick Hernandez put out a tweet yesterday. Let me just get that. Tweet fickle you work for sports. Washington right yes chick. Hernandez who did the post game show for years with be Mitch and Trevor Match. Always loved that. Show a still do. It's it's a great show. Chick chick did a great job. Julie's doing a nice job love Julie I Love Trevor and and be Mitch and their dynamic. It's always been good anyway chick Put out the following tweet about Trent Williams and it was sort of. I think a follow up to some of the reporting including JP's reporting that that Trent had been looking for an amount that was absolutely obscene Several people reporting more than twenty million. I mentioned yesterday that you know. I've heard that you know. Twenty five million plus. He's looking for that. He's really looking to recoup what he lost. from the holdout last year anyway A lot of the reporting had to do specifically in this is what I think. Chick was responding to specifically to Ron Rivera. Entrench Williams talking contract with one another in capital letters. Trent Williams update exclamation point and then he writes sources close to Williams's camp. Tell me contrary to what they call. False reports Williams never met with Redskins head coach Ron Rivera over a contract extension. I'm told Rivera. Wanted Williams to come in meet with him and listen to what he had to say. The two met it was their only meeting. The coach and player never spoke about contracts any reports suggesting otherwise false according to my sources Hashtag Redskins Hashtag Trent Williams So that was chick. I had out on twitter. First of all Anybody that talked about Trent Williams and reported on Trent Williams in a contract discussion with the team That could be going on simultaneous. I mean it's age. It could be agent in the new. Eric Schafer Rogers does I will I? I wouldn't expect it. Williams and Ron Rivera would sit down in a meeting and talk contract details. I would expect that it would be his agent and Rob Rogers in whoever else is involved. Maybe it's Ron and others you know in another meeting. I mean that's something that the agent does. The player doesn't sit down in negotiating own contract But I started to think about something as it relates to this to two thoughts one you know and I mentioned this this one yesterday. One one is. I don't want if they trade Trent Williams to e to influence what they do in the draft meaning they trade him and they have a left tackle need. I don't want that to make it more likely than not that. They trade down in pass on chase young. I just think that would be a mistake. And then number two is this. I actually if you just think about it logically and lie in the possibility of Trent Williams playing for twelve and a half million dollars on this final year of his contract is becoming more of a real possibility. I still think trade is like sixty percent. Extension is thirty percent and I would put at ten percent at the very least that he has to play out this final year of his contract and hear me out first of all. Do you think there's any chance if he doesn't get traded or get a contract extension from the redskins that he will sit out a second year. No absolutely not. Okay so I I think I. I don't know I mean absolutely no wait a minute. I don't know which isn't i. Don't I don't know about this part whether or not he regrets sitting out this year. The point is I agree with you. I don't think there's any way Trent Williams at thirty two years old is going to sit out a second straight year lose another several millions of dollars worth of of contract and then try to enter free agency after a two year hiatus to try to make up all of that money back. I think Trent Williams is not st will not sit out a second straight year and then so then added that Trent Williams won't sit out two years in a row okay to the redskins and no other. Nfl team will pay him. The top left tackle deal in the NFL and maybe twenty to thirty percent more than the highest NFL. Maybe even more than that Then the highest deal so if no one's willing to get make him. The highest paid tackle in the game and at the same time. He won't sit out one more year that equals him playing this year. Twelve and a half million dollars. That's possible that's an ugly. See you do realize that. I'll tell you why it is input. Go ahead and tell people why you think I mean. Because the he's he's GonNa come into camp a happy character and tranquil speak a- It will be a threat you know. Is he talking? Is he not talking? What teenage going say about him if he's not talking teammates will have to talk to him. His contract like the kirk cousins contract at will become and every Sunday affair. That will that will get in the way of what Ron Rivera is trying to really get way. I mean you know. So that's that's an ugly scenario okay. So that's what I thought your answer would be and I will give you John coombs retort to that the this morning on radio he said number one. It wouldn't be ugly and it wouldn't be awkward because Trent is so well respected and well liked by the players so in the locker room every day not going to be an issue with those players. He actually went a little bit further to suggest that it would be a much bigger problem with Quinton. Dunbar UM which. I found interesting But he doesn't think that there'd be any issue in that the players desperately want Trent back and then I added this to the conversation. You know when you love you know you'd love to have a player in terms of sort of guaranteeing that you're going to get. His best is in a contract year especially in trance case. Where he's looking at twenty twenty one if he doesn't get it this year as the last year he'll ever be able to get a big contract and then he's looking at the money lost in two thousand nineteen. He's GonNa play his azoff to prove that he still the elite player that he once was so that he can totally cash in in twenty twenty one. Now it's not the best situation for the team because the loose him to a compensatory pick in two thousand twenty one which would be like a third rounder. But you know what if he's demanding. Were the the new contract at the levels that were hearing? He's demanding it at a resurgent is it's going to cut down on his trade value now. Anyway this is another reason why they should have traded him. You know much right but sooner than this but I don't know that it is the ugly scenario that you paint okay. I can't say absolutely sure it will be with all due respect. It's on time. I think it's awfully naive to think after four or five weeks of answering questions about transplant. That teammates will be fine with this situation. But yet we'll get all it won't be the Kirk Situation Tommy. It won't be Kirk situation. Wouldn't be Kirk situation. I absolutely did. I say that in the beginning when they tagged them. I said this would be a weekly referendum. I didn't disagree with that okay. But it's pathetic. Deposition is different. Okay I think I. It's it's naive to say that. Everyone's going to rally around trends and happy for him as he sees every Sunday for plate for wasn't our peanuts and then the painting that his his will play. Harder will overcome his anger about what he's playing for and he's playing. I'm just saying you know. Look I think all of this is reasonable to to you know to think about this situation. You know. I think a lot of this stuff that we always think becomes major locker. Room headaches aren't nearly what they're made out to be by us. That's just my opinion I think the her cousins thing was different. Because you know first of all. It's the quarterback position. Secondly he was much he was younger. Thirdly you needed a quarterback for the future and there was a big debate in town as to whether or not he was it were wasn't it with Trent. You would know going into this year. This is his last year in Washington. He's not resigning with the redskins. Next year I guess there's a chance he could if he fell in love with Ron Rivera and the coaching staff and they played well and he played. Well whatever. But you know. He's going to be pissed that they didn't give it to him a year earlier. but I I'm just saying that if no one's willing to give him the top contract in the League at left tackle and maybe even more you know plus Then you're not going to be able to trade him and I don't think he's going to sit a second straight year so you're left with him having to play yes you are. That doesn't mean he'll play well that doesn't mean at the injuries that he would normally play through before he won't play through this time now for the seat again. I I'm confused about Redskins precedent for when an angry player has turned out to play well and benefit the team. I don't remember all the cases where this has happened before Albert. Haynes didn't you know I mean I like this. I mean we're filming this will function normally. What Ron not functional situation. Already that all of a sudden it's GonNa it's GonNa you heard of. I was sitting in the ball. I I do think that you make a point in that. You Know Ron Rivers GonNa look at this and say. Damn can't we just get you under contract or can't we just trade you but at the same time he's also looking at an offensive line where he needs a left tackle like you know he has to have a left tackle? So if he's if it's not Trent it's GonNa be somebody else in and that goes back to my first point which I mentioned yesterday and briefly mentioned here. I just don't want them to get influenced by losing Trent into trading back and missing out on occasion is that would be absurd. Well could I mean you know? Listen based on based on your draft philosophy drafting by need. You know You would you would. You didn't have a left tackle and you could get you know. Miami's number five in Miami's number eighteen in Miami's number two to move up to number two so that they could draft to a you know you would be Get to fill my cornerback. Need I get to film my left tackle need I get to fill my tight end? Need in the draft but stout chase young air at different than what you know understand under my philosophy. The redskins would never be trampling second in the draft. Somebody suggested hey man you know. Let's Louis Forget to and forget borough Il Il. It's just ride this out of Twain's the the the wrong guy. We're going to be picking Trevor Lawrence next year at the top of the draft. Anyway but you know what that's really it's hard to finish last in the NFL or second to last you know as bad as dysfunctional and as bad as the redskins have been over a long period of time. This is the highest choice. They've ever had naturally. Obviously they traded up for it you know in in two thousand twelve to get Griffin. But you know. They've been one of the most ineffectual franchises for two decades and even they don't end up with the first and second round pick very often. Yeah now Fort Drag. Williams was the fourth pick in the draft. Trent Williams was the fourth. Pick yet Trenton. The fourth pick Griffin was the second pick when they had number six traded up They picked a brand share. Fit Five right after two thousand fourteen brandon share five that he was fifth You know they've been in and around that the you know that area. But but never as high as they are now which sorta leads me to this. One last thing If the redskins the redskins half two at number two overall in one spot away by the way from number one they really do have to come to some sort of conclusion on Dwayne haskins before this draft. They have to have an idea of whether or not they think. Dwayne Haskins especial. Whether or not Dwayne Haskins can be the franchise quarterback for them for the next ten years. Because what we just discussed. They may not be in this position. You know maybe ever again certainly not in the next you know it could they they could be tasking could be not very good and they may never be in this position in the draft because they could be good and other areas of the team including the coaching staff. So if they come to the conclusion that he's not their guy and they come to the conclusion that Joe Borough is were to is. They have to do it. And if they come to the conclusion that just Joe Borough would-be they've got to be aggressive and try to trade up to number one. I don't think they'll be able to come back. Aclu's on Swain. I don't think he'll be able to. I don't think they can do murky. There's enough evidence there's enough doubt. And there's enough evidence that he could be and they're not that's not gonNA change not any gays having any practice between now with the threat so this is the evidence they have is just to Murphy to come to conclusion without has then then that then let's circle back to one of the first things. We both agreed on today's show other than certain beer. And that would be that if they were to draft to. There's no way to keep Haskins if they can't come to a conclusion on Haskins but they can come to a conclusion that they think to has got star potential. Then maybe they take to end keep Haskins and make the decision on which one at the end of next year. Why I agree with you that if you draft a quarterback at number two you're moving on from the guy drafted last year number fifteen but if your right using what you said that. They can't possibly come to a conclusion on what they think about. Haskins long term potential. But they really feel good that they've evaluated to tug of Loa. As one of the best quarterbacks they've evaluated in forever then you take to a and you let them battle it out and if twain turns out at the murkiness becomes much more clear. And he's a big time star to then you can make the decision at the end of next year to move on from too if they're smart people. This is incredible. They'RE GONNA be. They're not going to be able to come a reasonable people can't come through a conclusion about to it either because of his medical history. He just can't come to a conclusion about okay. What if they come to the conclusion borough then in boroughs there too? They're not GonNa get borough could get him. I just said they're murky about Dwayne and they are murky in both ways like could be great could be terrible. We don't know we have to see him. We don't want to give up on them. But we're absolutely not sure about him. Men that Joe Borough will. He did last year as you know having a record season for a college quarterback against the hardest schedule in the history of college football. We are sure about him and he is there too because Cincinnati said we are absolutely sure about chase young or maybe Cincinnati says. We like to a more okay. Let's get back to my personal thing. It's not confusing for Ron Rivera. Defensive coach he was playing on the greatest one of the greatest defenses in the NFL linebacker. There was a linebackers coach for San Diego and he has an opportunity to traffic. Great Defensive Player. It's it's GonNa be simple. There's no working as for him. They're drafting face. Young Ron Rivera has been around the League for a long long time. And he's watched a lot of football coach. A lot of football and Ron Rivera knows that the quarterback position is the most important out of all of them. And if you get the right guy there you could be set for life but he play on a team. The bear seems to have a great quarterback. I understand that we're in a different era. I know but I'm wondering where you're basing. Its Ron Rivera experienced from well. He's been around coaching. In the in the twenty in the twenty first century he knows the importance of the position. He knows it's more important than a pass. Rusher or defender. I got that. But if we're talking about personal interests we always seem to do with the Redskins Ron Rivera draft takes young especially since he's local one last thing before we leave for the day this corona virus as of well. I could look it up right now. How many are dead now in the? Us As the number climbed from six this morning Erin have been keeping an eye on this Well with six this morning with a hundred you know. Sort of You know tested positive for the sports leagues are trying to figure out answers on all this. Tommy you know in basically right now. It's like they're all. Hey were in touch with the CDC. We've put out memos to the teams constant hand. Washing is a big part of apparently all these league memo's NBA guys are are being told to use their own pen for autographs You know CJ mccollum Portland. Said he's going to take a break from signing autographs now. But here's the more the most interesting out of all of them in that is the NCAA tournament which we are right around the corner from you know two weeks from today Erin. We will have our brackets. Tommy will have our brackets out in front of US two weeks from today and will be getting ready for the first four games tonight and apparently the NC Double A. Tournament is going to consider. I mean obviously. This is a dynamic thing. This is a an ever changing situation but if it gets really bad and they're real concerns these. Ncwa tournament games will be played but they could potentially be played in empty. Arenas that's in the conversation right now when it comes to like all the sports leagues and you know the Masters has been asked about this. You know because we're a month a little bit over a month away from the masters and you know the masters has a very international crowd Over the last twenty five years with an airport at Augusta Tommy were these. Private planes are flying in from everywhere for that Golf Tournament You know there's some concern there But man would that would that ruin the tournament if it were played in front of empty arenas I think so. I think it would ruin it. But let's face it You know I mean people where people congregate is is like a peach. We this for disease. You know Something like this. I just have one question for you. Are you the Guy who bought all the parral? I tried to buy some of it. It's not on the shelf at Safeway or giant or Amazon. It's not available on Amazon. Either and apparently the people that are buying the masks or doing someone necessarily. They're saying you only need the mask if you've been if you actually have it And they're taking all the masks weight from the hospitals that actually need them You know the funny thing about the NC Double A. T. A. Tournament In fact got just as I said this. It's the number one story right now. Trending on on ESPN DOT COM about the Different scenarios that they're considering for the tournament Including playing games in in empty arenas that is In fact here here it is. Here's the latest news release March madness. Officially begins in two weeks with the men's basketball. I four game in Dayton. In the event the corona virus becomes an even more significant health threaten the United States. Ncwa officials say they are readying for any scenario including games in arenas without fans the Iot came out and said you know. They're still go for the Olympics. Japanese organizers are considering it maybe pushing the dates back and that and that could change dramatically because speaking from experience. I didn't get sick but I've had happened. The second week of the Olympics writer start dropping like flies released. Because oh my gosh writer get sick in the Second Week. I mean infirmary sick. Happens a lot and it hasn't happened to you know. I know it hasn't happened. That's crazy I know but I've seen it happen so the Olympics which has been absent disaster for spreading a disease like this. Well let me ask you one question. Real Quick Maryland Plan in the championship game the NC Double A. Title Game in Atlanta was no fans. Okay would you try to like break in? Speak in to go. See it if I didn't have the CORONA VIRUS. Would you know? I'm what's really interesting about the NCAA tournament? And I think we've all talked about this in the past but you know the environment's on these neutral floors in so many cases are pretty you know sort of sterile anyway especially for the early games on Thursday and Friday in that first weekend at twelve noon game you know sometimes the arena can be literally like twenty to twenty five percent full. It's a completely different atmosphere than these teams are used to playing in front of during the season. You Know Road Games. Home Games in rocks. You know atmospheres But twenty-five percent filled is much different than nobody being there. You know other than the referees. The players the coaches and the people working at the scores Table But anyway Last thing Erin We predicted at rutgers is favourite tonight. Maryland big game for the TURPS. Tommy Who Lost Saturday night at home to Michigan. State there at rutgers tonight. Apparently this is a very difficult Ticket TO GET. It's it's the biggest game of the year for Rutgers. They're viewing it. That way there now down to a one plows go by. Its move from one and a half yet. Just checked it out there. One point favorite now but This Maryland's only route right now. to guaranteed league title without sharing it is to win these final two games of a rutgers in Michigan. They could still win it outright with one win but more likely than not one win means they will end up sharing it with somebody With the big ten titles so to win it outright. You know gotta go beat rutgers tonight not going to be an easy match up. Rutgers has been very good. They've got their physical team. They're athletic They've got some really good players. You know this guy. Geo Baker is a clutch performer. for them. I mean a big time. Clutch performer for them I'm definitely concerned about tonight's game. I think they could easily lose this game In rutgers is not been playing well would not surprise me if Maryland doesn't get it done tonight what do you think what do I think I'm asking Erin? I don't care what you think you're not watching. I think that if this is the team I do care what you think though. So that you know. We've been hoping that has long run in the tournament. They get this done. Yeah I mean this would be one of those just like the the Minnesota game it was like God if they overcome this and they beat Minnesota sort of says something right like the Illinois game on that Friday night if they overcome this and they somehow win this game in. That's big You know who place for rutgers. Tommy and who is having a really really good season Ron Harper Junior. And Y- Gino Rod Heart. I mean Ron Harper is a good player with the Bulls in the NBA. On some of those Jordan teams played at the plate at Miami of Ohio In college was a very very good college basketball player and in fact in the nineteen eighty five. Ncwa tournament first. Round in Dayton Ohio Maryland against Miami of Ohio. Ron Harper up against Len bias Harper had thirty six. I think bias had like twenty five or something like that. Maryland needed overtime won the game but Harper became you know sort of a star in that first round in that game people found out about him. He got drafted ended up having a good career Real An add on to that they're Maryland. Second Round Game Tommy was against David Robinson in navy and they trailed the whole game came back late and one by like seven or eight and then advanced to the sweet sixteen that year. What else you got. I got nothing else. Twelve oh nine nine past my noon. Red Strikes Gye. Go Get your red stripe in and bring some Red Stripe home with you at two bucks a pop and we'll get together and have some down at Down at your favorite cigar haunt okay. All right all right. That's it for Tommy. And actually. That's it for us today. Rooting for Maryland tonight. I don't feel good about it. Aaron but it would be great to get a win tonight and then come home with a chance in even bigger game against Michigan the Michigan State game because it would be to clinch the big ten title. I back tomorrow enjoy the day.

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Challenging Pass Interference, Trading For Josh Rosen And Much More

Boomer

17:58 min | 1 year ago

Challenging Pass Interference, Trading For Josh Rosen And Much More

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There was a big rule change in the NFL something that we will see in twenty nineteen and maybe beyond all goes. Well, and yes, it is the most reactionary rule change that we might have ever seen in the history of the league. And it all is born out of the non call in the NFC championship game. We got the Sweet Sixteen starting up again tomorrow. So there is a lot happening morning, boomer. Our you don't all right their GIO and one of the things that happened in regards this past interference call replay situation is that the NFL coaches for voted thirty two zero to include Hass interference offense have been defensive. Into into replay. I heard already one to one now not none out the coaches thirty two zero okay coaches zero the owners then voted for Sean Payton came out of that vote. And really basically put it on the owners. Instead if they don't change us. This is going to be a mockery or something of that sort. So the owners voted thirty one to one with of course, the Cincinnati Bengals saying, no, they have they always say, no, they say, no to everything. So it it doesn't matter. So this thing is going to go. This is going to happen now for one year. Now, I'm kind of favor of this. But I'm really worried about the nuances of the rule in the way, the rule was going to be looked at and really how how serious are they going to be some hand checking and stuff like that. And who's going to decide whether or not, you know, it is going to be passed interference. The thing that I was hoping that was going to come out of what happened down in the warlords in the NFC championship game. Was that? They would've put targeting or defenseless receiver in the replay. Where you either confirm it or you throw it, and you ask for to be confirmed because I don't like those calls when they happened so fast. They do look like to the naked eye that there is a helmet to helmet contact. And then how many times we see the replay afterwards, and there's no helmet Dama contact and there's still the fifteen yard penalty that is that is basically awarded to the offense. So I was hoping that they would do that. And but they did not do that they did pass interference. So this is going to be really really interesting. And obviously this is in reaction to what happened between the Rams and the saints in the NFC championship. And I liked the fact that it's one year right now, it's not one of these show and they do like on your test. Yeah. And Bill Belgium has said for years once you just review everything why are we just limiting the review, and now the Juve included penalties and things that they have said in the past have been judgment calls now in agreement with them. Because now, you're. Telling me that a pass interference in that situation is more important than maybe another call. I could give you a first down. Let's say, for example, it was agreed as defensive holding call that happened to the saints. And it wasn't pass interference this rule. Doesn't change that. So now, it's just specific to one particular penalty. And I don't like that as I was doing my CBS sports minute on this particular topic earlier this morning, I was talking to Bobby in the back football fan loves the Bengals the thing that worries him, and it worries me as well is now do they have to actually change the pass interference rule to define exactly what they're looking at. So if you and I are running down the field your defense on offense. And somehow you just kind of like grabbed my left my left hand. It's that's not pass interference. That could be holding. Is that part of this is the roles? So now that they've said, okay, we're going to replant. I think they have to really define it as to what are they looking at at. What can be replayed? Right. Yeah. And a lot of people were complaining about all. Well, now, the games are going to be longer. That's not necessarily true because it's still challenged. Most of these are going to be challenged. But within two minutes, the challenges go away, those are going to be booth reviews, and we might have more reviews there and those things will be initiated on Greece's call. So I don't think that now the games are going to be slower. There's going to be that many more review is I don't think that's going to be a big problem. The problem that I have is you're trying to fix the agreed GIS call or non call in a big situation. And are is this actually fixing that because we talked about Jerry mentioned, it, you mentioned it, and we had a long conversation about the sky ref and the guy that would say, although they have that going on in the af right, right? Like that being the thing where there's whatever the agree. Just call may be that we have to take. Look at it. Now that we're just wiggling it down to pass interference to me is are we really solving the problem. I don't I don't think. So. But here's the one thing that I think we all can agree on we want to take the helmet out of the game. Sure. Want to take the illegal hits the defenseless receiver type hits out of the game. And I think it's really dissipating over the years because the players are starting to understand it. The fines are getting significant things of that nature that particular play that happened between New Orleans and the Rams, you know, some say it's passed I could say that it's a legal contact your, and I could also say that it was a helmet the helmet defenseless receivers situation. So I I was more in beverage that of adding this to the replay list, I was more in favor of the defenseless receiver or you know, the the helmet to helmet contact that is initiated either by the running back which are supposed to call or by defensive back on an unsuspecting wide receiver or defenseless wide receiver. I think those penalties are easier to see than the past appearance ones. Yeah. I would agree with that. And then you think about like what if this was a defensive holding penalty. Right. What if that's what it was where you saw a guy grabbing them by the back of the jersey was obvious. And and then that wasn't called would this rule change today defensive hold on? I don't know. I don't know if they have all the answers to what pen doors boxer opening right now, but they're opening it, and they'll have to define it. And we will as fans in his broadcasters be told how their this is where the disconnect is officials are told in their meetings. This is what we're looking at the the coaches told in their meetings. This is what we're looking at. And this is what you could throw the red flag for and then we as broadcasters and fans of trying to figure out how they are interpreting what they're being told. Yeah. Of course. And that's and that's usually where the disconnect lies. But at the end of the day, I think Sean Payton is happy because it goes back to number one. I don't know why they called what they call down there. Like on first down why they through the past. Maybe they should go back and replay that and say, hey, Sean, why why were you and drew Brees throwing the ball on first down? And then throwing an incomplete pass and stopping the clock when you shouldn't have done that you could've kicked a field goal with no time left on the clock, essentially, sure and would have won the game. But anyway, so that's that's the coaching part of it. But we don't want to talk about that. We just want to talk about the agree GIS miscall because we can place the blame somebody else's feet because that's what we do. Right. Of course. So we we I I would say that I kind of like it. I can't wait to see how it's going to play itself out. And when it's going to show up and whether or not it shows up in that first game between the Packers and the bears or that first weekend football, and I'm sure we'll see it in in preseason. And we'll we'll have many discussions about it as to whether. Or not it should be reviewed or was that really truly passed on a fair number last year. There was a collective freak out over the running back helmet to helmet things running back through and get fifteen yard penalties for putting their elements down. I don't think I saw that. Once they're in the regular season might happen. A couple of times that I couldn't even give an example of that the thing that I'm okay with this opportunity being out there to reverse a wrong if the same thing happened, but the bigger deal for me was it wasn't the specific nature of a pass interference call even though those can be sixty seventy or eighty yard penalties. And that to me is a little crazy. So I do like that. I just think that they should have taken out that one particular penalty and said, how do we make sure that agreed GIS calls or non calls in high leverage situations are called correctly should have been taken reacting to one I don't necessarily agree with that. Because you're telling me that it only means something at the end of the game when I would tell you. It means something very much. As much as in the beginning of the game. But the point is that they wouldn't have argued this. If this happened in the first quarter, we would not have a rule change. Right. The reason why we have a rule change today is because it was the defining lane apply sent the different team to the Super Bowl. I just don't want to change the rules from one part of the game to the other part of the game. And then the other thing too is what happens to their out of a replay review if they're out of replay review is it going to still be reviewed or sure they're pretty good with that. Well, we'll see what happens. All right. So here's the story. That's coming out of Phoenix now because that's where all the owners, and coaches and GM's and everybody is at the league meetings and things start happening, and is a lot of news out there and all this other stuff. So this morning. Ralph back Yano is reporting that the giants are interested in talking to the cardinals about acquiring Josh Rosen if the cardinals are looking to trade him, and then there is all the reports that the cardinals have not yet made a decision as to whether or not they're going to go with column Murray and trade Josh Rosen. I smoke fire. I think. Everybody believes calmer is going to the cardinals. Which then in turn means that the cartels will shop and move Josh Rosen. And it also sounds like the giants are very interested in that. I love the giants to get Dwayne Askins that too. I think they should go after. But if they don't I do believe that they still have to acquire some sort of young asset at the quarterback position. So if this is the fallback position, it's better than nothing. It's better than going into the season, without you know, at least somewhat of a legitimate answer to the question of who is going to be the successor Eli manning eventually. Yeah, it's either Haskins at six I think Murray you ruled out because everything you said about the cardinals is right. So it's either Haskins at six or trade up to get Haskins draft a quarterback. Whether it's drew locker Daniel Jones at seventeen or trade for Josh Rosen. I think any one of those scenarios albeit Haskins for shore is the number one option that we have. I think for most people I mean, if you rank all those quarterbacks right now like maybe some people will say that Josh Rosen got more potential than Haskins. But I think most people look at Haskins at of all those options as the best option. I mean, it seems like every scout every mock draft everybody that says it would agree with that. But if they cannot come out of this draft with another fourth-round fifth round Kyle lead at nine. No, no, they're gonna come out with somebody that at least has some sort of pedigree that you think has the ability to be able to come in and take over freely. I may not know about the personality for Josh Rosen. And you know, and again, I see all the players now this year doing the same thing that we all did when we came through as rookies because we have no idea what the hell we're talking about. Where each player says while I'm the best part in the draft. I'm the best quarterback on the best edge rusher. I should be the number one overall pick. You know, I wish they would all just shut up. I get it. They're all at the top of the draft. We all know who the top guys. Are we all know where they're slated are slotted to go in the draft. But these. Players have no idea what they're getting themselves into. And Josh Rosen is the proof positive of that. Because last year he was spouting off out Grady was and how he should have been the number one quarterback taken a how he was going to make the previous nine teams pay for not taking him what their selection, I get it. I did it same thing, by the way. But I'm fifty eight years old now, and I have a better perspective as to how difficult the NFL really is for these young kids and how stupid they sound when they say that they can handle this. But they know idea what they are getting them show onto right, but it's too early in the evaluation process. Remy may end up being very very good. We talked about it many times he was in the worst situation outline. I'm I would not being as the giants acquiring him. I they gotta get somebody in here. I want them to have Dwayne Haskins. I think he's the guy that could be great giant quarterback. I don't know. What was the last time? You saw a quarterback complete seventy percent of his passes. Throw fifty touchdowns throw for almost five thousand yards. When the conference's player of the year when the conference's player of the week six different times throw for six touchdowns in a game. I mean, it sounds Patrick bombs NFL season. But I'm just saying that everything that this kid does plus stands in the pocket. I I don't know. What else he has to do? All doesn't run. Okay. Good. He's gonna last right. I do think though if you can get Josh Rosen, let's say from a desperate cardinals team. And there's not a lot of people that are calling for him. If you can get him for a third round pick. When you've got twelve draft picks this year and two first rounders. That's probably the best idea as you're assuming that that kid is a legitimate NFL starting quarterback. But here's the other issue too. You're using a third round pick on a guy who was a first round pick last year. Now, he he doesn't work out. And you start to see some of these things at Charlie casualty talks about about his board work and below average in the does not a leader. And all these things that you hear right? Then you're still in a position next year. We could draft a guy, and it's not like you wasted a first round pick on it. You still have two first round picks this year used a third round pick in a draft. By the way, we've got more dress. Draft picks, and you probably ever had in a decade or more. So it's it's a it's one of these low risk Jairo ward moves now where last year of you a draft him the first round it was a very high risk. I mean the other way around low risk reward that would be the other way around if you draft him last year. So all right. So here's the deal. So maybe they get a guy on bounceback, and he's a much better situation. He's got a legitimate head coach legitimate offense. And yeah, I could see that. So just long it's somebody here legitimate. I want them to get Dwayne Haskins. But if it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. I wanted them to get Sam darnold last year. I'm glad the jets Cottam. Yeah. I'm glad they got one of these teams around here recognized that they needed to do something. And hope I know the giants know that they have to do something. I mean, all the reports now from the Paul Schwartz's and the Paul the Tino's and route back channels all these guys are giants gonna drive Haskins poll. I don't think so I think we have to go with the giants of trade for Josh Rosen. But Al tonight think now what you're starting to see is everybody's. Coming around. Now, all of a sudden, they whatever Gettleman is saying, whatever his underlings are putting out there. Now, all the media is starting in. And now the headlines are they gotta find the successor. You know, the Steve surveys of the world of writing that, you know, the pulse Schwartz's of the world right now. So now all of a sudden it's become apparent to everybody. The giants draft a quarterback futures. Yeah. I will say the more. I think about it. This year's too late the more. I think about this the more. I like the trading for Josh Rosen because let's just say don't jump down my throat because I'm not saying this. But if the giants aren't into Dwayne Haskins, let's just use that as a talking point or say, the giants aren't totally that saying, I'm not saying this is speculation. This is just hypothetical speculation speculation. So let's say the giants aren't interested in speculate. So if you have this scenario or Dave Gettleman is not totally sold onto Wayne Haskins. Now, you put yourself in a position you trade away. Not a first round pick. Not a second round pick. You take a chance on Josh Rosen. You get them in the. Building goodbye that. And if it if it works out look at that, it's great now, you've got basically you got heartily and Josh Rosen last year's draft. You can look at it that way. And if it doesn't work out you probably towards the top of the draft again next year because the team's gonna staying I offer time, I look I can live with I seventy five percent on board with that. Okay. You know what? I mean, I one hundred percent on board with twain Haskins. And then if it's drew lock or if it's Daniel Jones on probably like sixty percent on realize you just six just as long as you get somebody in here. But I I you know, I said at January second I'll say it. I'll say it was today's date March seventh twenty say I will say today that he's a can't I believe he's a chemist player. I really do Homer GO on the fence CBS sports. Our just getting started on this Wednesday opening day just a day away. Boomer's got some four. We'll come right back talk to Jerry way, you got Bouma. You don't have to do trade for Josh Rosen. There goes to Kansas City model, right? And do you think Josh Rosen is going to be happy sitting on the bench? After starting last year. I don't know that ought to be interesting. Hey, what's up? I'm jerry. Oh, hi there. I'm ow. And we do a podcast like almost every day. But not quite it's the Alan Jerry post game podcast. We really started to talk about things we didn't get to on the boomer and geo shell but now it's really just us talking about robots rats in New York City and dome people in Florida and porn sites. That do studies in polls. Yes, studies in polls, you can download and subscribe on radio dot com and the new radio dot com app.

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I Hate the Fins No. 22: Finalizing 2019 NFL Draft Crushes

The Phinsider

33:32 min | 1 year ago

I Hate the Fins No. 22: Finalizing 2019 NFL Draft Crushes

"All right. This is I hate the Finns. I think this is up sewed twenty two. I haven't even gotten episode Twenty-one uploaded yet and huge fail on my part. But I have good excuse. I'm buying a house, which means I have to sell mine. So my life is an utter disaster right now, try doing that with a six month old. I dare you challenge you so a little behind here. But the good news is were were keeping the machine if you will rolling report of the Finsider radio podcast network, Vizcaya radio, my old shows also on their got plenty of other programs that air check them all out there. All wonderful. We're one of them. My name's Keith with my co-host, Zack spend his evening listening to Fleetwood MAC one thing. I do want to talk about this kind of free form show. We were making the joke off air that this is like rebel radio for dolphins fans will do whatever the hell they want tonight. We. We all know that Zack's favorite prospect in the draft is dawn reser Zach tell them what you did. So I follow Dalton risen on Twitter and the other day he he had a tweet about getting rid of. I guess just household kind of crappy laying around I guess, he's probably moving out of Manhattan, Kansas and probably back towards wherever home is in Colorado. Or just kind of getting things out. So when April twenty fifth twenty six happens he can just scoot to wherever he's going on so liquor on the day. He posted a video of like cleaton shoes stuff, and you know, just for shits and giggles. I tweeted at a Mo's like, hey, like I'd buy a pair of those cleats later on dmt me long story short. I have purchased a dull ritter's combine cleats from him. So those will be added to the collection. When do they arrive? I don't know. He said he was going to send him out today. But I told him no rush because his April. I'm sure is very hectic. I don't know if he has any any thirty trips or whatever going on. So I said whenever you get him out, man. You get him out. No rush. We also made the joke this week that Zach blue an opportunity in that you should have leverage it with all by those cleats. But if the dolphins draft, you you have to come on the program if the dolphin straffed him, I I will still give that ago because he he now follows me on Twitter for DM purposes. So if the dolphins draft dot original, I will try to make a push for that still. So you're saying there's a chance that's a chance a chance. Okay. In the we're gonna have to start doing some Google hangouts too. So you can like all those people on ESPN with the headphones in when they're doing interviews member when it used to be like a fancy thing, and they would send cameras to someone's home. And now, it's just like little computer. I they're sitting there you could be the guy in the background with an behind. You. Don't risoners. Pete's. Yeah. I mean, that's like now that DJ's the new Mike Mayock. They hooked him up with one of those home camps and stuff. He started doing stuff from home because he's been out on the road for all the pro day stuff. Ed, he was all excited. But he's like I don't have anything to put up here by besides apps state stuff. That's like, Aw DJ. Good. Try could try it's okay in Duke tunes in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's definitely a big apps a guy from his background there. Yeah. He is. He's the app steak. I. And it's also funny when you mispronounce it he hates that. So if you're if you're able to talk to him or whatever just make sure you mispronounce the Appalachia. State so free form, whatever tomorrow's Friday. That's exciting. You're bored changed at all just with what's going on here. Because you're seeing things locked in. You're seeing Cuyler Mary righted in permanent marker. Now I've seen that on Twitter. Nets shock, obviously, we all expected. My my board has changed a little, Ed. It's been mostly due to going back and putting second and third looks on guys. It hasn't changed catastrophically end. Like, this is the point of the year to where I go back. Look my board. And I'm like, okay. This guy's here. Because I I kinda got sucked into the media nonsense. You know, one point I had. Deka kaffa my top ten. I'd now have him in my top twenty. Like, the dude the dudes of physical specimen, physical freak like runs a crazy. Forty time jumps out the building there. But the dude ran nine routes. That's where he had his most success to like, if we're being honest. He's kinda tall Mike Wallace. Which at the end of the day. Like, if that's what you do really well in team can fit you in and you can rack up twelve hundred yards a year fourteen touchdowns being dig Mike Wallace. That's fine. I just don't think at the end of the day that warrants a top ten position on a big board or a a grade like that other than that. There's been some some swapping around of the edge players a little bit. And it's just become as we move closer draft and watch a little bit more. You know? You know, kind of settling in by preference of guises. And I don't think there was anybody else that was a real big mover up and down on my boredom scrolling through here. I think pretty much everyone else's kinda stayed put. I just I think this day to this draft is gonna be really great for a bunch of position. So I think there's a chance that while day. One's always exciting people always tune in the most for that. I think day to is going to be a really good opportunity for a lot of teams of pick up. A lot of really good players at the end of the day usually referred to rounds. Two three is the money rounds. 'cause I mean, technically. Just because you draft a guy in the second round those. He's not first-round talent, you know. So sometimes you're getting great value on the great bang for the buck, if you'll regarding decay mccafe to if you really wanna be Jag about it. You can offer possibility for Kevin white comparison. Yeah. I mean, I think I think decay Metcalfe's injury. This year was more of a a freak kind of football injury thing where Kevin Whitehead a little bit of a history of injuries leading up to it. But I think if you're gonna come size-wise an athletic. I think you're in the right ballpark. Yes. Kill side. I'm not even talking about the injuries. I just made. Kevin wedges moss people at West Virginia. I mean, he was just bigger faster stronger than you know, every every defensive back in his in his path. I mean, when you go to the NFL, that's you gotta you gotta bring skill and savvy some some cleverness to the position. So and I mean, I don't wanna make I don't make light of anyone's injuries. His injuries have been extremely Kevin wait that have been extremely bizarre. Yeah. Over there. I think they're all bone related. I think the first year it was like a shin shin-splints that turned into like a fracture. Uh-huh. And and then the second year was a Tiburon fabulous one of the two. Yeah. And the the third years a collarbone. Yeah. It's not like a reoccurring tissue of thing that you see in some guys, no user anything. No there. And I mean like the thing with him is there is some upside to what he brings to the position it for one. He is a Beasley blocker downfield. Yes. One thing. I noticed the bears. This like he is just an absolute just he's a puncture down there. Like he was putting dudes down. So that impressed me. I'm surprised Matt Nagy didn't try to go to that more. Because he's typically looking for that from from his dudes on the perimeter guys in black. Green Bay is a team that is always looking for guys in black as I wasn't surprised when they drafted a economy Saint Brown the last year just because I mean, you can he had a real you. And I talked about him countless times leading up to the draft taller, dude. Almost six five right? Yep. He's a, you know longer guy showed great speed at the combine. But just Taeb really up and down in terms of route running in terms of hands all the the little nuances in skills at that position. But the one thing that jumped out on his tape at Notre Dame like he was just like a pulse blocker. So that's like a Notre Dame. I can't remember the last offensive player from Notre Dame. That was a refined. Well, put together offense player outside of Quinton Nelson and Mike Lynch EA. But even at that point, they just said, yeah. Just go block somebody. I mean cops don't know how to play football. I was going to be a smart ass and bring up Michael Floyd should be like, how dare you? So true. I mean, the closest we're talking about especially reverse receiver slash back position. Probably golden Tate. I'd say so and I mean, he's talking about the that was twenty ten when he was drafted. So speaking of Notre Dame guys that I might be a little low on Jerry Tillery. I have him. I have him top sixty four. So it's it's not the lowest you can be. I think he's definitely a second round kind of player. He's a guy that it wouldn't shock me. If somebody's looking for a guy that gives you a little up the middle on on pass rushing downs to go potentially in the late one. But like, I just I just don't like guys can't play against a run. A you know, I have a preference for defensive linemen that can do both. And if anything I lean more towards guys that can play the run that are outstanding pass rushers. Yeah. He he's got the potential to be a rocker. And I feel like most years. He so a dude Pittsburgh would draft. I see see him as their guy on the defensive line. So I mean jury Tillery is I mean I liked him. I thought at times as tape was really good this year. I mean like he was a difference maker for that. Irish defines if Tillery came out in two thousand eight he's a top sixteen pick like in the day age that thirty four defenses were viable primary base defenses. He's a guy that's a five tack on a an odd front every day of the week. But yeah, we probably we probably draft him instead of Philip Merlin. Yeah. Yeah. I mean at the day there. But at this point e c maybe some three fronts in like a weird three three five. But I mean, how often do you see a base thirty four defense at this point. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Every everything is hybrid. There's little little flares and on window-dressing with pretty much every defense. Now, that's just where the game is right now because offenses have evolved to I mean, so much work is done from the slot position. Now, it used to be like that guy was like your third option. And then they realize that you get these guys in there who have great changes direction skills, and they're just a problem inside. And they're typically very gritty a little bit smaller. So they have a smaller smaller target in terms of how you're able to jam them at the line of scrimmage, and I mean from there if you're able to beat that jam then I mean, it's it's open season on that on that defines. The possibilities are endless. So all starts there. So get your seeing defenses play some catch up. Now used to be like I mean, occasionally see a defense go to like a nickel look now. Remember like when? Madden. Like you had to go so far just to find like the dime packages for receiver. This you you you pretty much had to head on lock code just to get into the dime packages in that game at one point. And now that's just standard fare for your NFL defense's. I mean, this this is the first year for Madame that they end edited that big nickle package with like the safety of a linebackers like the NFL's been doing that for like five years now like ever Buchanan or whatever was drafted mar Faraday own yet down be at Mark, Barron. Like eversource guys came in. And like, I mean, that's me spending sixty dollars a mad, which is a survivor years a whole nother episode, but we will get Mia. Mark, barron. What did I what did your spirit animal? Mike Mayock say about him when he was drafted his his floors. Pro Bowl safety is ceiling his Pro Bowl safety, something like that. I mean draft add Mike Mayock sometimes make some MRs in there. But you know, nobody shoots one hundred percent. But he did pick Marino. Yes. Yes. Although Dan's last year, Pittsburgh, a lot of I think he threw more interceptions than touchdowns is his last year Pitt. Yeah. Yeah. A walkie last year for sure. Now worked out for us. So I don't have any real changes. I get the feeling that it's weird. Because usually this time of year you see the media in team by team media really going into overdrive with quarterbacks. And and now I feel like we're kind of entering a period where people are starting to hit the brakes on it. Yeah. Which can't be natural this time this time of year, especially where was a paralysis by over analysis. This this is the point where like we're in the month of April and people are just like, yeah. Well, he did the whole process. Really, well, but you know, he tripped walking down the street one day. So I don't know if he has a coordination of a first round pick. Like, that's that's what April is. That's all April is his like, let's talk about Dwayne half win Haskins after road his pro day left like blaze marks in the street like the time machine in back to the future. And I just thought like oh, man. This guy is off to the races. Now. Now, I feel if you pumping the brakes on him a little bit. And it's like you'll we noticed that with base pressure. It gets to him. And it you use. You'll see it disrupts timing disruptors mechanics. Disrupt everything that's considerable considering how most defenses in the NFL absolutely wanna wanna push their in interior rushers right down her throat if they can. It's crazy because the conversations kind of moved at least within traditional media draft media has kind of moved twain Haskins. It could be more like the third quarterback behind drew lock which like everybody to tell at chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge Hass my friends, Paul Miller dealer bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred and six years since virgins been around, but you'll need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The enemy our each Monday. We speak with the top athletes enemy from world. Champions two. Rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I I have a relatively even grade on Haskins law caskets is a little bit higher. But like at the end of the day with Hoskins is always been the third quarterback behind Cuyler Murray who's the second quarterback behind. Nobody. Who's the first quarterback? That's kinda how this class has been the whole time. Where like there's there's no true guy where you're like this guy is a quarterback where you're gonna sign off on God forbid, he's not a franchise guy. It was worth shooting your shot. Every one of this class has some sort of questions. There's there's you know, I mean I had questions about Sam darnold last year. But I felt better about Sam darnold than most of these guys. I say he's probably on par with Kyla Murray based on my grades for those two, but you know, Baker I I have like a easily what he what number one again. He's definitely the best quarterback option possible. But he's show. Owed it over four and a half years or whatever in college football Cuyler played one Wayne has since played one from their ear. You're going to drew lock who played. I think he played three and a half years technically after Mattie Mark was doing lines of cocaine at at Missouri. How dare you? I mean if your quarterback is not doing lines cocaine. I don't know what they're doing to be honest. The like, then you move into those guys that are like they played more football. But like there's a lot of questions about them. I I mean, I have will Greer over Jrue lock. And I have like really fridge probably more early second. Andy Dalton level. Car kinda level. Second round raid on him. And then I've. For a second. Because we'll with the exception of what we're talking about right now he is getting a little bit of a boost. And now all of a sudden after people talking about how they wouldn't take on day three. Now, it's well he might go in the back go to the pats. Who knows I mean like from the start? I've always said that will Greer has a good enough NFL arm. I think he drops the ball on deep passes really well into the basket and at the end of the day like he's played probably the most football. Besides her Ryan fiddly who played for like twelve schools. And then he's a guy that he's faced adversity. You know, he had his shoes off Florida a stupid PD saying where it was like a Chritine kinda whatever at he transferred. He has a wife. He has a kid. He's become a father. You know, somebody yourself that's become a father recently. No, that's that's a trial and a half to go through from what I understand. So at the end of the day like I just think that he is more life ready where I think worst-case narrow for him. You have a really good probably top three backup quarterback where honestly if you spend a two or three and have the benefits best backup quarterback or top three backup quarterback. Like, that's fine. Keep shooting your shot to get your franchise guy. But like not a bad guy to have in your pocket known speaking. Parents and children sounds like will Greer's dad is a payment. So aren't they all at this point the? The. I guess sports. Parents helicopter, sports parents the absolute worst of the bane of the lease famous Greer chil- child, you do know that he doesn't brothers that are like YouTube stars. And so like like if you look up like the Greer family like he is the last one you find. I suspect things are about to work out for him. Yeah. He'll be okay. You want to be a YouTube guy or do you wanna make NFL money? What do you want to do a lot less CT being a YouTube guy will say that you went there? I was thinking. I was going to say that. That's why you're here though. Somebody's gonna be offensive Senator Sabbath department Zachary speaking, so I think I mean, it's kinda just a little bit of a hall home week. I and I mean, just with the limited amount of time that we that we have in terms of our socialize right now. Do you want to end on judge Younis which debuted officially tonight? Oh god. Like, the the problem is is like. I don't think they're terrible. I think they're just rip off of either marshalls or northern Texas, Texas, uniforms. What I would have liked to have seen is, you know, essentially, the basic Tennessee uniforms, if they did the basic university of Tennessee uniforms for the jets and then use that gray alternate with the green that would have been perfect like they're not too crazy. They're not too over the top. I think they're just right. But like, they're just not good. They look like they're some sort of like a f-. Like, we folded here, some leftover uniforms. Good luck guys. But like the bigger problem is again, like talk about my jets, buddy. And he was he was saying the other day. He's like why do people hate the leaked jets uniform so much like what's the issue as well? The problem is jets fans have been hyping up so much like I don't remember this much uniform high talk while the dolphins or rebranding. Maybe maybe it's just because I'm a dolphin fan. But like I felt like there was not as much like, oh, my God do uniforms what's going on? But I think that speaks to how bland the jets uniforms have been up to this point. They were very, blah you when we talked about this when the league came through. I'm in the minority where I don't hate him. Like, I'm glad they went back to that sort of leg eighties nineties green that they had because frankly, the old school green that they had it was almost like a matte finish on your uniform. I realized that doesn't make sense. But then how that's how can it came off very like Klay ish. Green. Gene. I hated it. I didn't think the old school logo is working for them. I'm glad that they kind of went to a variation on like I said like that at on eighties nineties look with like the actual like the the word Mark with. I don't think they have the little jet on there. Maybe they do. I've seen. Was I mean, so it's like the word Mark without and the the one thing you brought up which I totally agree with though is like that that Rando stripe. Hate that. So I don't know. I mean, I'm not gonna kill him for it. Just because I do think it's an improvement there look before which was so boring. But I mean, it's like when the dolphins sometimes simple changes are best look at how much are their uniforms guy when they just took out that stupid dark blue net, marine, velour, whatever it's called. I mean, once they toss that their uniform went to in my opinion is pretty much atten-. I mean, people can say they want pro bags, and that's fine. Get that because that is a beautiful uniform, but in terms of like current uniforms, just pure Akron, orange, in my opinion, tough to beat as a great color scheme. Yeah. I mean, like, I think they're actually did you see that bringing in a new alternate this year. And I think it's going to be the white throwback uniform, which I really like the old white uniforms in the first place that I've I was preferred the white to the to the aqua in terms of the deal school. Look the old school, especially the like, the modern aqua ole school throwback. Just feels heavy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, just that the head like. Sets a moved from that like teal teal to that that later crest toothpaste -til it it just feels so heavy especially for Miami. In being a million degrees in humid, all the time. I will say if they ever do a an alternate like the city uniforms at the do for the NBA I would love like a night game. Like charcoal grey beige uniform with the neon pink and blue. I think that early cool uniform just for like a one and done kind variation. What the the Miami Heat did with the Miami vice colors. Yeah. The miami. Vice Miami nights, kind of thing of you know, that that were love to see them do something based on kind of like that Cuban Havana salsa heritage kind of thing. I just wish the NFL was at least remotely. A notch more fun. But probably will never happen said the NBA's plenty fund right now. The only thing that's killing them, in my opinion is the fact that they're on ABC in their affiliate with ESPN total trash. Hind away to get all their games on TNT 'cause TNT so much better show, which is so weird. Because like, we're we're so used to traditional media outlets for professional sports. Right. CBS NBC FOX like like TNT is just kind of always held down for the NBA. And they've done a really good job in TBS a good job for baseball. Go figure, you know. You know? I maybe I'm bias. And I know you, and I talked about this off air and probably on air to the N the NBA just got a lot less fun when it left NBC. I thought NBC did it right? And I understand like you can't have the same studio teams and announcers forever. Yeah. But their their game because I mean, they essentially had it for a little over a decade. And it was just on point every year. It was so good. Even when the finals weren't good. It was like just incredibly entertaining ABC doesn't get in my opinion. So when you're talking about football, I can take your leave FOX and CBS. I don't really I don't really care. I know NBC is trying to make a bid to get back in on yellow ball Emma reading about that. And then right now NBC has plateful because they've got hockey too. I remember when hockey was on ESPN and ABC that they they pretty much had the thing going that on the NBA currently has in the funny thing is hockey on ESPN was bad hockey ABC was pretty. Damn dry, though. So I mean, you definitely even though you're talking about like parent companies here or companies under the same umbrella. Essentially, I thought that there is a just a little bit more of an improvement when you wash on ESPN, they had Gary Thorne had just had a great voice for that. I don't want to away from that though. On the last night. We'll talk about what do you think of the draft hat? I think the dolphin Straftat is fine. I think it's I I I thought it was waves on the side. But then I realized it was like palm Fahd's and supposedly they're all based off of the state flag and stuff. Are not even close the state flags. Some of them are straight up hideous my favorite ones are the giants jets ones because they had a real struggle to be like will they play in New Jersey, but their New York team. So would we do so they just they just passed on those altogether. And they didn't even see the jets on yet. Because when I was looking at the the list of on their only thirty one Bill because they withheld the coin side with them the uniform drive. So being in Baltimore. I think. Really really whiffed on the ravens won too. 'cause like as somebody that's recently moved to Baltimore within the past six months that Baltimore flag in that pattern is everywhere. And they just they just didn't even do anything for the they kinda to in that. Was it a random stripe too? Yeah. It's just like. Weird to tone kind of who knows some of the hats. I don't understand like I think the Green Bay one is straight up boring. The Kansas City one. I don't get the Kansas City. Maybe I just don't know. They're they're fly while about this got these like weird lines that arch to rival Tanner Stanton. Yeah. And then what else the cardinals with the rising sun kind of thing? I know that's AirAsia slag. But like definitely thing. More like World War Two Japan when it comes to that. Really? I mean, I have to say I saw people killing that one. And I actually I love the the state flag within the on the hockey team. There is on a coyotes or the yogurts if you will beer fan of that team. They have the shoulder patch that has like the I think it says A R Z or as E, and then it has like the sun coming. Good. I just associate that look with another thing because I was aching to to history and stuff growing up. So. Let's just a a thing on my. And there I associated with all the custody ATar. Stars. That has a lot of them went with the like, the Japanese graphics and everything and a lot of my favorite players actually from that era had and you see like a rising sun coming out. It would be like the the custom bodywork. That. One is pretty good. That's with the Texas fives that pretty for for checkered Redway blue kind of thing. So that that one's pretty good. That's pretty spot on. All right. Let's let's pull the plug. All right. Good. This is a fish this one. We did. Yeah. Thirty thirty in change. So thanks everyone for tuning in. Hopefully, we entertain you for a little bit. If not when tribe our next time and probably failed onto but will promise to do it the next time after that. So we just ask that you stay with us for the long-term allows continually disappoint you for Zach. My name is Keith thanks for hanging out. We'll do this again soon care. It's me Ashleigh Carmen nine. Caitlyn tiffany. And we are the hosts of the virgin podcast wide, you push that button. It's a show that asked them hard weird occasionally dumb questions about how your tiny tech decisions impact your social life. 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Thom Is Back And Scott Van Pelt

The Kevin Sheehan Show

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Thom Is Back And Scott Van Pelt

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports fix. That's right back. Got it seems like you've been gone forever. I got a long time. You really have been I made a list of the things that I'm not sure you missed while you're away. But then I know some things you definitely miss. We're going to go through some of those things, but that, of course, is the long lost voice of one Tom Lavera, who is back from his Italy trip. And I wanna hear all about it. This show is presented by window nation, errands, here, by the way, if you're in the market for windows, call, eight, six six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com and tell them we told you to call. How long were you gone? Well, we were there for fourteen days. I was gonna say it had to be a week and a half to two weeks. We were there for fourteen way to do it. I gotta tell you at the end, maybe this because we are in Florence at the end, and we had no idea, how crowded it would be in Florence. It was wall to wall people like waves of people, whenever you went out on every street, and that, that kind of got tiring. So we were thinking maybe we were there like one or two days to many. Well was Florence. So Florence was your last the last part the and then we, then we took a train or on the fly on. Okay. Got it now. You know what God forints was so crowded? When we were there, I summer Harley, I all. It must be now I loved Florence, but it sounds like it was the end of your trip. So maybe you were tired, and there is nothing worse. If you're tired at the end of a trip in just long lines in crowds, and everything. Yeah. And we had, we had seen a lot and done a lot. Look. It was. By far exceeded. My expectations for the main reason, was, I met my family. I met family talion side of your family Irish sight of your family's. Well, yes, my paternal, grandmother, and grandfather came over from Italy in nineteen ten they came over and on my grandmother's side, the name GRA Tani, I met that family, and we were the first American relatives to come over there since my grandparents left in nineteen ten will did they remember your grandparents people in the family? Yeah. No. Absolutely. Like I connected with one or two of them on Facebook, and their, their mother, was my grandmother sister, and they live in the small town called groom. Oh, just outside a Bari, which is like a fishing village on the Adriatic Sea, and they came at pick this up in Bari, and we spent a day. With them we met like twenty thirty relatives. They took us on a tour of grew moa walking tour. This small little town took us on a cemetery tour and other words to go see where our relatives were buried a really. Yeah. Which is Tani side. Your grandmother's fan my grandmother's family. And then we ended the day with a four and a half hour, slow motion eating competition. That's what it always it really. It was by by the, by the seventh course comes another. Course I said to my said to my son, Rocco, I said, desserts, be next. You know. I mean, they, they put seven things in front of his it's gotta be desert next. Well desert came to courses later, and there were three courses of dessert. I mean literally for four and a half hours. We sat an eight, hopefully you were also drinking some very good wine. Great line great. We had great meals, great, when we started out in Rome, and the funny thing was it turns out the Snyder was in Italy to Saint time. I heard that I didn't know that he was there for the entire time, but he was on his yacht on it. You know, we don't run at the same circle. No just by maybe one group. But I did see him at the Coliseum sketching notes did for stadium stadium in the stadium plans. What about the Lavoro side of the family, grandfather father, I rose? Well, they supposedly are from town, maybe just like a few miles away from groom. Oh, of town called potato, but we didn't get a chance to see I have no contact with them haven't been able to may. Make any. So I just didn't wanna walk into town starts screaming Lavoro and see who showed up did your grandfather and grandmother, come over in nineteen ten right to New York yet. And then they settled in Brooklyn. Well, I they settled in Syracuse for some why what do I don't? Well, he wound up in Brooklyn being an Ice Man. He had an ice ice business where they delivered bars vice to people's houses, and they put those blocks of light ice under their icebox. And that's how foods they call. I don't know why they went to Syracuse and then how they wound up in Brooklyn. But my dad was born in Syracuse. But then I mean like two or three like by nineteen eighteen they were in, in Brooklyn. New York has your dad ever been bad now. No. Wasn't that never Kurd to that generation to go back? It's just to travel the year. It would've never occurred to my family to take a trip to year. Right. It just wasn't on their radar. You know. So put Rome, Rome was great, my son. Rob crowded was Rome in spring. I mean it was it was really crowded. When we were there, language ally expected, and it was manageable. Yeah. And we stayed. You could hit the Pammy on with, with a row right there. Yeah. Yeah. So we stayed in great places. My rather old building, isn't it? Yes, it is a little bit. Little bit onto buildings are intimidated. They are. I mean I mean, I, I think our trip last summer, which was for my father's eightieth birthday, and his wife put the whole thing together for my sister, and her husband, and their kids and then and then for my brother at cetera. All of us were there, and it was spectacular. Now, we were in Florence and we were, you know, in Tuscany for the first nine days, and then we spent three or four days in Rome to finish up the trip but I love room. Yeah. Rome was great. We saw we saw the Vatican. We saw Sistine Chapel was see that was a marathon. It is a marathon, now, I don't know if it was this crowded like we were in there, you couldn't even move there were so many people on there, when we first of all, we had to wait two hours, of course. Online. To get in and what they do. It's like a ride at DisneyWorld. You, you. They keep having signs that say, Sistine Chapel, but it's not until the last thing. Exactly. I mean so you have to look, you're looking at beautiful art, and it sort of overwhelming. And the one thing about the art that was a really like astonishing is you're looking at this art all over in front of you. And sometimes you have to stop and look up and realize that every room you were going through there were paintings on the ceiling exactly every room. I mean, everybody painted on the ceiling back then, which I think, is a loss start. I'm surprised more people. Don't do it again. So it was it was you were in the Vatican. You did the Sistine Chapel. What about trevy fountain? What about the Spanish steps? What about all that stuff? We did. We did trevy fountain. We did the Coliseum one day that was. I think that's spectacular. It is. Yeah. That really is. Now that was amazing, the see the Coliseum and we had. Great meals. Gets hard to get a meal. We had great meals, tranquil lot of wine did a lot of walk in. It was great. It was exceeded. My exit from from from Rome. We spent three days in Rome, then we went to Bari and then, you know, we visited Al family there and from we took a train to Bari, and then from there, we rented a car and trove up to own brea, which is wine country to and stayed in this little town. Call Todi at a winery and it was my first wine tasting. And that, that can be another long day, a lot of a lot of courses. Yes, we did. We did too. I think we to want three tours when we're there, but it was more than just a wine tour. It's, it's, it's day. And it's, it's actually it was at a spa at a spa tummy at a spa. So hopefully you didn't ask for a pedicure. But and then, from there, we wrapped it up with Florence and we flew out of Rome, but make it to that in Florence that big market. I think they call central market, whatever. We're all those food. Places is out that was that was pretty cool. Yeah. That, that was very cool. And, and what it is super crowded. Yeah. Much more crowded more crowded than Rome. It was. Yeah, it was more. 'cause you walked out of your door and he got caught up in a wave of people. I know what you're, you could have had also do you know Florence, I think I could be wrong about this. I think it is the number one foreign, you know, studying abroad place for Americans like more American students in college take a semester abroad in Florence than any other place in the world. I think that's true. And so what you may have had was the finish up to a semester with a lot of where there are a lot of America. Skins. Yeah. There were a lot of Americans, but I mean the semester. I mean, people leave college at the beginning of may. It depends. So for the most part, so I'm seems like you've been going since the beginning. I know I know but it was everything I could hope for more talent. Just the nicest. Yeah, the vest. I mean. I mean, they wanna make sure you're having a good time. They wanna make sure I didn't I didn't experience any like tourism resentment in any way, shape or form. And I got smoked couple Cubans while I was there perfect. You know that's a country with, with intelligent inequality, in Rome, where you I mean you had a vehicle, you're being taken around, because it's a great to me. It's a good walking. So we walked I was gonna say for you, your knees. But my knees are good. They're good now. So yes, me about that yesterday about your knees. Oh, that's why we couldn't do this trip before. Yeah. I, I bet you we averaged six miles a day walking. No, definite. I mean every day and we whenever we couldn't walk. I mean, we just took an over my son Rocco travels a lot. He planned the whole thing. He got all the places to stay made all the travel range -ment sets, good thing. He didn't leave it up to, you know, I can do that. What do you think he learned? From I don't know. He learned from me, right? Well, so I've stayed in some pretty bad places with you before. But you know, I didn't know arrangements. And I certainly did neither. We've done time. That was one of the first trips we took together. It was a Super Bowl right in Dallas in Dallas where, you know, we had an ice storm the night, we got in, and it was just, just tragic the entire week trying to travel in a place that doesn't have snower ice removal, and we ate in a motel what? Tom what you essentially said, we're you told our program director, at the time Chuck sappy ends. I believe it was. You know, we're supposed to be down here working the Super Bowl and instead, we're doing time. I mean, the reason I felt that was because there was an armed cop outside all the time. God. I never understood that deer member. You didn't we weren't together in San Francisco where now we, we did we did. We did south Florida. We did. We did Dallas. I did Indianapolis by my sense, right? And then I did San Francisco, New York. The San Francisco thing, like you know, whatever I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this. But if they had just made a minimal effort, they would have found a perfect place close to radio row for maybe twelve dollars more night. But it was always remember with that group. Let's see how little we can spend no matter the inconvenience, absolutely people that are going to be there working. I think one of those trips we had literally where they had booked us, and I changed mine. I said, I'm not doing this. They had booked us, like thirty five to forty minutes away from radio row. And by the way, told us, no rental cars, just one and you all have to share and I said, I got something much closer. And I cancelled that reservation and I'll pick up the difference of twenty bucks a night. Which is what it was. We stupid. So so you know, I distanced myself as much as I could from what was going on here. But stood you leave before. I left April twenty ninth right after the draft right when the draft was over. Yeah, but we, we have not we had together since the draft, I followed 'cause it's hard not to follow it. The twain has consortia from afar. Askins orgy. I got you know, somebody I was reading through Twitter last night. And I and I think it's because you sent out a tweet time. He's got his event tonight. Tell everybody about the event is it too late for people to show, people, a lot of people buy tickets at the door. It's cigars and curve balls fundraiser for the DC grace, the organization that brings baseball opportunities to intercity kids in Washington, nonprofit organization. It's six to eight PM at Shelley's back room in the thirteen hundred block of f street northwest, and district for seventy five dollar ticket donation. He get three cigars appetizers, and you get we have a live auction of, are you going to wait until the end to do the live auction because I'm coming tonight. But I'm gonna be there at the beginning, and then I've gotta take off after about an hour. When are you gonna do the do the auction at the at the midway polka good? We usually end. We've got we've got an Anthony random signed bat. We've. We've got tickets at delta three sixty club. Those all presidents club seats for the national was there last night in those seats. Okay. Harley from window nation. There you go. So those are good seats. Do you wanna tell everybody about the surprise guest potentially a potential surprised? I know. All right. Well, let me just say that there is a potential big-name surprise guests that will be at this event. And that's pretty exciting come out. I'm going to be there, right? If it starts at six, I'm going to be there at six. Okay. I gotta take off probably around seven but I'll try to wait for that live auction. Do you have those, those net seats? I got one of those years, and it turned out to be awesome because it was a massive discount from what you'd actually pay for the seats. Yeah. We've got actually the southern Maryland blue crabs have donated for box seats to a blue crabs game with assigned bag from the whole team. We've got other news from the United and stuff. No, no nothing from DC United. Because the post once again, I'm telling you, the DC United or big deal. I mean, they take up most of the sports section early when they play really. Yeah. I mean they. I'm sure they know their audience. They must they must I mean you had to game sevens, the other day Tommy in the NBA playoffs. And the following day's paper had DC United all over I had to go to D six to get the NBA not that I'm always reading the paper. But you know, I still get it delivered. I'm still one of, you know, a half, you know, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million people that still get the postal livered. I don't know if it's that many, I think it is that many, I don't think I tell you one thing and Italy, they still read newspapers. There are new stance all over Rome, where you can buy papers and I saw people reading papers at breakfast. What was your favorite part of the trip other than seeing the family was the wine, the winery SIS, so good? And just like it was like being in like being in a picture, postcard, the food like you don't get pasta like that. It just it's different. Everything about it is different. And the one thing about the food though. My son and my wife. Liz, you didn't ask for him. And she's saying, what you're no, no, no. I, I bought into the Italian from the moment, I got there I- croissants, and, and pasta and you're not a big wine drinker. But I try and wine good every every night when I was there, but my, my wife and my son there, what you would call foodies. They care about food allied their particular about it. And the one thing that kept coming up and eventually, I got used to it. But when I order food, and we're all sitting down the dinner, I don't want to eat your food. I don't wanna eat his food, and I don't want food, not big into. I want to eat my food. That's why ordered my food. If you wanted my food, you should have ordered my foods he'd get ease up on that. You're on vacation, and it's family. I mean you don't I did nobody from the next table. But, but it's not my style. It's not what I'm used to sometimes they can. No, I don't want. I don't want what you ordered nine awards, not your style to go to Europe either. So we got out of that house got you out of the state, which was good. So let's one less thing. Yeah. It's harder to get in the national park than it is to get Italy. We just walked in Italy. It was pretty much. I said, is that it? That's all they're easy going there. All right. So where do you wanna start let me actually real quickly because last night, and I wanted to thank heartily in and Ethan in less. The guys that were with us last night, the last night was one of those nights time he first of all Cooley was in here yesterday did the show he and I went and played golf. It was like a really good day yesterday beautiful day outside, we played golf, then I head headed down to NATs park met Harley from window nation. He was with less in Ethan Ethan works for the post Ethan, thanks. I know you had a lot to do with getting the tickets. And then we went to the MGM after the sixth thinning. That's a pretty good day. I don't have days like that very often, but golf, and then the nets game we left at the in the sixth inning now less in Harley and I left Ethan was convinced that the five one lead would be given up by the bullpen. Many typically wouldn't be wrong, so he stayed. And then we jumped over to the GM. Which is really close by just ten minutes. Yeah. I mean that's no seriously. You know the nets game for six innings and then the MGM is a pretty good plan for a Wednesday night. Yes, it is not a bad plan for Wednesday night. Of course, it would be better if we all won money, but they didn't build that big place out at national harbor with the expectation that people are just going to go to the nets game for six innings and come over and clean house. Now, but it was it was a really good really good night. Anyway. You'll actually get a kick out of this, because when donation is a client of the podcast in Harleys is a friend. But he's is a client and Erin and everybody from window nation and. He got the tickets for the game in my wife said to me, wait a minute. He's the client he's kidding. And I said, yeah, he is. And they were they're great seats and he got me. Good parking to Harley, you're the best. Go to win donation dot com or call eight six six ninety nation if you need new windows. Seriously, they will take good care of you. They always do and I'll have more on the great deal. They've got going on in a bit. I did not because I went to the nets game last night where by the way that's the second game. I've been to this year and both games they have one who pitched the first game the first game that I went to. I want to say it was heloc sin. I think I saw helicopter pitches ask you. I think that's it was last night. It was Corbin and he pitched great. But they got a lot of run production early early on the game in early, and they ended up winning the game five to one but it was a beautiful night. So I'm too in oh so far nets games, which is pretty good. You know, they've, you know what I mean. You've seen most that are wins. I know pretty much have I was there to say night, oh, you were. Been home since two home home Monday night late. And I had to go to the park Tuesday to transact some business. So I stayed for the game and they looked so bad to say night. They I mean they, they had another first-inning error that cost them the game. Right. I mean, they, they couldn't turn a double play and heloc sin for the second time he started in a row was was was backstabbed by the defense in the first inning. And he's not the kind of pitcher who can recover from that in the first in his previous start he against Milwaukee he had given up a home run the Christian yelich for one nothing and was about to get at any inning with just giving up one run. But then Ren don't made an error, Anthony domain era gave away an out, and then Milwaukee wound up scoring three more runs at inning. And they were to Alex and goes back to the dugout down for nothing. And it's. Previous starches like he did Tuesday night, you know. I mean they couldn't turn double play. Rama's winds up going to the plate and hits the grand slam home run. So they just looked terrible. I mean Bryant Bryant dosier. Is a mess. I mean he hasn't clicked. And Wilmer Defoe has taken a step back development, wise, he's been terrible at sure sup. He's been worth shortstop in the league. They've only won two series so far this season they wanna series in New York against the Mets, I think in the second week of the season and they wanna series in Philadelphia early in the series season. Actually, that's not true the series that I went to the game that I went to against the giants. They won that series but they've got a chance to win a series today against the Mets to take two out of three which would be huge. That's how you climb back in just when he went through a series a long season. I mean you don't you take it once series out of time. And you try to win the series trying to win every game. They then have a pretty hot team in the cubs coming in. And by the way, we have an autograph Joe Madden item for auction at tonight's. It's awesome cigar. And curb some really good items tonight. Yes. Not bad Shelley's backroom, by the way, it's easy to get to whether you're metro ING it or driving. There's plenty of parking right? They're like, literally across the street. Plenty of park. Yes. So come on out tonight. So I was going to say that being at the nets game and then being at the MGM, even though when we were playing playing blackjack in the in the in the TV's Ron behind. So I was watching some of the NBA game, and one of the things you have actually missing. You've been away some good NBA playoffs in that second round, the Houston, Golden State series losing Durant, and then Golden State winning two games. Anyway, there have been some really interesting. You know, games not I know not everybody's into it. I am but I didn't see the game last night really start to finish all parts of it. And then highlights this morning. I really want Toronto to win. And so I was rooting for them to win last night. I did not play the game last night, but I picked. The bucks and five. They're really good time. Yeah. They are. They're really good in, but they're not good enough. Well to be Toronto now to be Golden State. Well, it's funny because I don't know if I mentioned this on the podcast of Aaron, and I were talking about this off the podcast. But I think if it's Milwaukee Golden State that it's going to be shocking to many of you. How little of a favorite, Golden State will be really yet. The, the books Vegas is very, very bullish on Milwaukee. Right now. You, they just think that the bucks are the real deal and last night, Toronto had him dead to write for a cover. I mean they're getting six and a half. If you took Toronto you may have bought the half point to get it to seven and they somehow lost by eight 'cause they didn't score over the final three minutes of the game. In fact, everybody but Kyle Lowry the rest of the team went over fifteen. The fourth quarter in Tommy, you've missed some incredible, Leonard perform, I season. I saw the game winning shot. Yeah. That was incredibly. I saw that. He basically averaged. I you know. You know, I've said this number of times, but it is remarkable. I mean you had him picked in that draft when he was coming out of San Diego State, San Diego State beyond vessel. Dread a you had have you said, that's the guy I should go. And I told her any Grunfeld before that draft. Did you really don't you remember? We, we were down there. I think it was you and me. And, and I said, quite Leonard said, nobody has them, you know where you are at six or wherever they were picking I said, but that guy's gonna be great. I mean while you're after I told him, I said, I think Steph curry is going to be a really good NBA player. I'm telling you the job. Oh. What job still open? Open. It's still open not as desirable talent in Chicago right now. But they don't have a GM at the what they have the workout their version of the combine NBA has right now in Chicago. But they don't have a Ted. And Zach have yet to find a nerd that meets their requirements. They hired this consultant who's got a starting, I think, Premier League soccer an English guy but who's very highly respected. The Rams Sean McVay hired this guy. Why didn't his organization hold on? Who who is this guy you're talking about? I forget the guy's name, do you know, Aaron, it's a consultant that the wizards were hiring a consultant to help them with their GM, sir. And to help them with their, their whole management structure is what Ted has pointed out now this guys. Look, I, I did a lot of research on them, even though I can't remember his name now it sounds like it a lot of research. I did at the moment. So I know some initial. No. I don't Sean McVeigh had hired him to be a consultant for his organization. So he hired a guy who's got tremendous credentials to figure out what's wrong with the wizards. But I noticed that. Why was gone Candice Buckner who does a good job, covering the team for the post, she writes a story, saying the problem with the wizards was the culture? Yes. She wrote a very good story. And I reference that story and told everybody to read it, I think it was very good story with, with, quotes, from a lot of people that essentially said, you felt all along. Yes. Which was that Ernie was just too good of a guy in the culture was basically, if you're a star player, you can do whatever the hell, you want to do this. I just wanted to point out this, this was the essence of my problem with Ernie. It was it was not. He was not how incompetent he was or wasn't. It was that you had coaches that, that try to change the culture and how their knees taken out. From on their own by Ernie. So I mean I was glad to see that story because I think it's validated everything. I've been saying saying unwritten well he's gone. No, they haven't replaced them. They would have been easier to replace him had. They gotten the number one pick or at least something in the top three but they've got picked number nine let me ask you questions about that. Shouldn't there be at least nine really good players in this NBA draft? Aren't there is a college basketball that bed that there's not nine good players that could be good pros. There are more than that. But, but, but that's not what people how people view it in the moment, you know that these things are never ever even fifty percent, right? When it costs to the drafts in any, any sort your judge, and football and basketball, the two sports that I follow the most and baseball, even worse. So, you know, it's like everybody believes that this is a top three pick draft. And by the way, I do things I in Williamson's going to be a major star. And I think John Marantz going to be a big time store, wizards. If the wizards it ended up with the second pick and not the first I would have been absolutely absolutely Zion. Did you see already in day, one thousands of new tickets? Like he's a needle move now. Now, I wanna point I remember I came back from New Orleans in January, and I said that was an invisible franchise in town. I mean, basically there wasn't a billboard. There wasn't a hat for sale. There wasn't a t-shirt anywhere that said the New Orleans you wouldn't know the pelicans were in New Orleans, when I was there for three day, have they ever been into to the Norlin 's teams, they're going back to the jazz care about the jazz in the seventy I have a com-, that's running Amar talks about that 'cause I went to New Orleans when the Hornets moves from Charlotte and we're just about to start and I did some research on the jazz and the jazz, the jazz had they had a following they were right in the middle of the NBA attendance at the time and remember that Pistol Pete, they trade front with Atlanta to get Pistol Pete. And he was an all star for four of the five years that he was there. So they had the LSU superstar Pistol Pete. They drew pretty well but they played in the Superdome. That's true. And that was a disaster sense. Remember it was a number basketball atmosphere. They get thirty thousand people for a Lakers game but put even still, you know they really get thirty thousand caves links came into the Lakers the nex the seventy Sixers at the time with Dr J they were probably the first basketball team. Now I know Elvin Hayes played Lew Alcindor in the astrodome in the famous Christ in UCLA game nineteen sixty nine when Elvin went for thirty nine and they ended UCLA's winning streak, but, but a team playing regularly in a dome. They had to be the first and not only did they play regularly, they, they were the step child tenant. I mean, the city took care to saints verse. Then they took care of the car shows than they took care of the flea markets. And then jazz got whatever dates were left they go on three week road trips. Sometimes so they, they were kind of set up the fail from the beginning. And when your team moves from New Orleans to Salt Lake City, you know, you're thinking, oh my God. We're never gonna get it again. But like most teams who lose a sports franchise. They spend the next decade or two decades trying to get one back and eventually they did with the Hornets, but they had not looked Katrina did a lot to that, that town. And whatever traction, they were trying to get that really. They lost the lot with Katrina the population of the town. It's slowly coming back, but it's almost two hundred thousand less than it was. When the team moved there. So but Zayn Williamson, we'll change all that. Well, a lot, you know, this about New Orleans New Orleans is a very underrated sports town. Now it's football driven. It is. Yes. Saints and LSU football. I mean that is. You know, one in one a it's just not everything pales in comparison, but it's a good like they're football fans are great fan. And so if you provide a winner for them, they'll probably support it. You know, those early teens with Chris Paul a couple of those teams that were okay. I think they got supported back to the draft for a moment because I was looking at it yesterday morning before the show just to sort of think about, you know, who would be there. We're going to see so many different things mocked. And we've we haven't even had the pro days in the and the opportunities like right now, by the way, Aaron have you seen this Bruno Fernando is mocked out of a lot of first rounds into second rounds? Yeah. There's a few as I know the logic had him at the very end of the first few have had him at the very end of the first round. But yeah, overwhelmingly, it's kind of in that twenty eight thirty six hundred she ends up in a second round with no guaranteed contract. Bummer, be a real bummer. Wouldn't be anywhere off. Any would have been at Maryland wasn't. It's not like he was making any money, Maryland. No, I'm just saying that he loved Merrill. I know some of these kids are coming in to get their one year and they're gone like Josh Jackson right from year ago, came in from Toronto, he wanted to play then got hurt and ended up going anyway. Bruno really loved Maryland in loved playing college basketball, even without him, by the way, Maryland right now is a preseason top ten to twelve pick for next year. But what I was looking around in there were college players that I really, really liked and I hadn't checked out a mock draft in a while until yesterday morning. And like to me grant Williams at Tennessee is as sure thing. Now, his is upside, what half dozen guys that'll be taken in front of them. Is it that high? No. But his floor is super high like he's going to be a twelve year. Pro is gonna make a couple of all star teams he's gonna. A solid. Pro. He just has the whole game. He's just not over the top athletic. But if he were sitting there at nine and even if he were mocked at twenty three or eighteen I think about taking him by the way, a mature kid to Kelton Johnson's one year Kentucky, you could see how good of a player he's going to be I liked Cam Johnson after transferred from pit to North Carolina to me. He looks like a big time shooter in score in the NBA the kid from Kentucky Tyler Herro who really got hot late. He's gonna score big time in the NBA, but those Brandon Clark from Gonzaga, I like a lot. They're gonna have a chance to take a player and hopefully they'll get lucky and take a player that ends up being a player that six teams in front of him screwed up. Yeah. But they're usually the one may have been when, when it's come to the draft that they take a player and then fifteen players. After them. And two of those guys end up being all star. This is why you need to be the GM. No, I don't know about that. I tell you, I got better idea. Let's make buck. Let's just make him the play by play guy. I start with that. That's a travesty. That's still on Jesus. Yeah. I don't we're not we're not gonna talk about anything until it's official. We talked about it when it first came out obviously, but I just would be really designed with buckets. I'd be. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right. So there's a lot of Redskins to lot of reds, by the way, real quickly, just since we were unbeaten for a moment. I like the blazers tonight plus seven and a half. I know I like them in game one to really liked them tonight, plus seven and a half. I don't even think it's a smell test pick. And I would guess that the public's on Golden State tonight, laying seven and a half. I didn't even check on that. But I just think the blazers are gonna win two games in this series. And I think one of them comes tonight, certainly plus the seven and a half. I like him tonight. Did you see the hockey controversy last night? I actually watched the highlights that I've read about it. I followed it on social media. You didn't the caps were done when you left for your trip. Okay. Yes. Thought they were there was a hand pass in overtime that led to the game winning goal for San Jose. And apparently, it's not something you can. I mean, that seems like an obvious one that you'd be able to review it should all notable it should I mean, I think I think he should review everything. I mean, for crying out loud. I mean hockey, they do a quick. Yeah. You know, it's not like a long drawn out of fair when when they're reviewing in hockey. They pretty much have a good system that were probably the best of all all the reviews. Let's get to some Redskins stuff after a quick word for window nation, and I think Scott's gonna call him as well. So we can talk some PGA championship with him. It's already underway. Tiger double bogeyed, number one. I think he's got it back to one over at this point. 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This is what they needed. What, what it means will we were not gonna know for years. I've emphasized that over and over again, but really when you consider where this franchise was in late December, and early January. They have actually had an off season Kevin they win the off season. It's what do they haven't under Bruce Allin? They haven't under Bruce L. They needed it. And I said to from the beginning, this was going to be an off season were, Dan was not gonna put up with the typical Bruce L Luke, who I got you look at the deal I got on him. It was going to have to be something bigger and better. And they went after a B Antonio Brown. They didn't get him. They went after golden Tate. They try to get CJ Moseley bunch of different guys. They did get Landon Collins which was huge. And then they drafted Duane Haskins. The guy that the owner wanted by the way stop with, with the pushback on us talking about Dwayne Haskins being dance pick. He was just deal with. It doesn't mean he's wrong, and it doesn't mean that I'm not going to be supportive and hope that he plays. Well even though I was not a big Haskins fan. I'm not gonna change my mind over that. But this was Dan, Snyder's pick more than anybody else's in the organ. If you don't believe it that you're the, you have every right to, to not believe it, but every single bit of reporting, including all of the conversations, I've had with people in the know suggest to me that the football people scouts and coaches would have never taken twain, Haskins at fifteen. And you heard Cooley, say the same thing yesterday. But the owner wanted to happen. And one of the reasons he wanted it to happen was because he wanted this off season to be an off season. That created some hope and I think they've done that. Well, I think it's been achieved. I get that. But. It gets cold in December capable, it gets pretty cold in December, and it rains a lot November. Yes. So we still have that to look forward to. Here's the thing that that's so off putting I think, and what scares Redskins fan so they don't want to admit it. They know what can what the potential for damage to a young kid, like twain, Haskins can be with an owner, whose enamored with him. They know it. I watched the whole Joe thighs mentors. He thing, right? You weren't here for that. I wasn't here for that. But what they did to a kid who already has been empowered by the owner who the only prospect that the owner met with at the combine and the one who the owner called the night of the draft to tell him that he was picked by the Washington Redskins that kids going to walk into that locker room with, with a with a special dispensation for jersey that any other person in that locker room wanted to wear they couldn't for any real. If Jordan Reed decided he wanted to wear a number eighty one. How do you think that would work? That's not going to happen. And, and the last thing they needed to do with, with Haskins in Haskins, the entertainment company that they've set up. Yes. Yes, is, is empower. Them with with special treatment by giving him a jersey that Redskins fans valued that, that he didn't do anything hasn't even hadn't even stepped in the locker room yet to earn what they what they based on what you see if they think they did anything wrong with RG three and they don't think they did anything wrong with him. They would realize you know what we need to do with this kid is to say you're just like any other rookie. You're, you haven't done anything for us, yet, you want, you want a number pick, a number and make it special for you. Make your number Joe said that to Haskins and said, I want you to think about this, and then get back to me a little bit later and he thought about it and got back to him and said, I want number seven I get that. I understand that because that's good business for Haskins in Haskins. I understand. And number, you know that's what he wanted. But. Again, that's the situation with thighs but people say, we'll Joe said it was okay. Well, what was he going to say once, once the team refused to step in and say, no, we're not we're not getting that out of what show can say, no? I mean you put them in a bad situation. So you by the way, real quickly, because I totally agree with everything you're saying just because you weren't here for this to hear my view on it. I totally agree with what you're saying it was. This is not a Joe decision. This is an organization decision, and that, that's the way all of these things should play out. And I do think ultimately to make things really simple. They retire jerseys, and then they leave in, and they then they don't retire jerseys, and they make the decision on which jerseys retired and which aren't and we move forward with aggravate that, but, but Joe Joe can't be put on the spot. It's awkward. Yeah. It's but to your point, and I made this point too, about the lesson that we have to hope that Dan Snyder learned from the RG three. Experience. But then again to learn a lesson you think you have to believe in admit that you made a mistake. And I don't think that they made a mistake, but. The reason that, you know, he left it up to Josie. He knew Joe would be in an awkward position. And he wants Haskins to wear seven horse. He does he knows. He knows the merchandise sales, Evan, although I didn't see any Haskins jerseys, Italy. I was kind of it's early. Maybe next year. I was kinda surprised at that. And I don't know twain Haskins from Adam everything. I've read from him about him seems like a really good kid. Seems like he's got a lot of town, these very savvy from a business standpoint. He and his father. Yes, they draft night. You may not know this. They wanted to spend it with friends and family, and they did out at a bowling alley and gave where they charge fifty dollars a head to get in Haskins in Haskins. So they came in company can generate some revenue of off brand I don't we sent in a vacuum. It's just that you know what it represents what it's represented before. What's what it's represented before? You can't unless you're taking a lot of medication. You can't forget, what has happened before you know it's so funny because I, I haven't Aaron I've talked about it. You know, a couple of other people that have had on. We've talked about it. I there two things here with Haskins one is the football thing and then the other because you can't do it in a vacuum. You just can't. Because the context. Is in owner that over the years with a player that he's a namrd with has eft it up for the player and the team. Yes. And so it but what's amazing is how many people say, you know just just let him play. We're gonna let him play. We don't have a choice. Of course, we're gonna let him play. And we're going to going to evaluate him when he plays but to ignore, you know, a draft night of fifty bucks. A head in a Bentley with embroidered logos into the seats of his clothing brand in the context of this owner in RG three and everything else. Like Tommy said, you've been, you must've been Medicated for the last six or seven years. It doesn't mean that you can't simultaneously believe that it won't end up the same way and that you you're gonna we're all going to sit back. We're gonna watch it as a fan of the team. I hope it turns out, completely different because in, you know, bottom line with something like this. It's more more times than not. It comes down with an owner like Snyder. It's gonna come down to the kid. It's gonna be really strong. Get to be strong. He's going to have to have the right. You know, mindset he's going to have to understand that he's gonna have to earn it. He's going to have a Tommy, I spent twenty minutes on the show, I think last week or the week before you weren't here saying that the owner has to somehow if it's not the owner than the players can have to understand this, but it's going to have to be made very clear that there is one voice when it comes to football related matters. And I say one it's the head coach but it's his position coaches at cetera, too. But these are the people that are going to have to make him earn it and make them accountable. And then once he's earned it, his, they're gonna have to make them continue to earn it. 'cause that's what the great ones do. That's what the great ones do. The great ones are not handed. You know. Special entitlements before they've thrown their first touchdown pass or after a really good season may defeat like they are the second most important person in the organization after the owner he made that mistake with Griffin. It sabotage the relationship between not only Griffin and his coaching staff, but Griffin and many of his team. Yes, and he mates. He cannot do that with Haskins his teammates are going to look at a rookie who already has more power than most of the veterans in that locker room. And Haskins has recognized that he he can't. He's got to he's got to just go about Griffin was, you know, unfortunately, for the situation, he was the wrong guy to entice because he was already massively self absorbed, and then took it and ran with it. You know, my, my sense of it is, is that this guy is not going to be another Griffin and hopefully he will. We'll be able to remember Griffin was at Baylor Baylor wasn't a football power that successively had a Baylor was new for Baylor became. This is insane. Gramma Ramesseum the program. Haskins was at Ohio State. There have been a lot of guys with much bigger names than Haskins. Yes. To come through that. But there there's an old sit and learn behind. J T Barrett. Haskins may not be RG three but the senior Haskins may be a worse version, the senior RJ. He could be a ball could be a ball situation. It could be bad. I mean based on based on that conversation, he had with that New Jersey reporter. We're talking about a little bit of unhinged there. And so look, there's they're just saying, I'm just saying I, I understand why Redskins fan would be excited if you've been walking through the desert for twenty years, and you see a water found in the distance, even if it's a Meraj you're excited about it because you don't know it's Meraj until you get there. So I mean that's what it is. He's a drink of water in the desert. So I understand the excitement. What I don't understand is the orgy fest on the Haskins in Haskins network. Otherwise, known as NBC sports Washington. I mean that it's just unbelievably over the talk totally Tommy look place, the benefits to everybody that talks Redskins that covers Redskins that coaches plays owns manages Redskins right now. There is a benefit to them having draft drafted. Join Haskins at fifteen to your point gets awfully cold in December and it may not last long. But right now, I totally get how everybody is trying to leverage this. I think when when you do what you do in what I do. And what you know, I think that the bottom line is, is that the only thing that really works is being totally honest. Yes. It's the only thing that really works. But you know they're a partner of the Redskins. And I it's, it's right now, things look pretty good things. Look pretty good. When I say pretty good. It just things are optimistic. I'll tell you. I am optimistic about Montas sweat this guy. I wanted this guy loved, it's guy playing watching play. And if he ends up being von Miller something close, the Redskins are going to be able to compete with a really good defense that to me is as important to watch here in twenty nineteen. But nothing's guaranteed, I still think this is a double digit loss team in twenty nineteen. I still think it is too, but I'm gonna point out for people who Sam so negative about the Redskins and I don't particularly care that you say that one way or the other before the season started last year after I watched them in OT, as and after I watched them before at least before the first game at training camp when Darius guys got hurt. I thought they were a nine one team go to the both thought that they were going to be much improved in with a really good defense. And with Alex Smith managing again at a nine win season was employees. I think that about twenty nineteen. No. And we were wrong last. Yeah. We were they were ended up seven and nine in the offense wasn't very good. Even even when they were six and three on the way to six and four so that, that's all I understand that getting this just from a media perspective. I think it would be, I think more professional, if it was tempered. Yeah. I think there's, I think when you've had, you know, the rock bottom hit in December early January that rock bottom affects everybody. Yes, it does it affects everybody. And I said, this a million times, even though I don't necessarily think that we've been really devastated or hurt badly by their dysfunction, winning would be ten times, better them winning and becoming a contender would be so much better for everybody in the market. I just don't know. I just that's the truth. I just unfortunately as a die-hard lifelong fan have come to the realization that is long as Dan Snyder owns this team, and Bruce, Allen's running it, it's a long shot if imp- if not impossible to have sustained success, unless and we've said this before and less somehow they draft accidentally Patrick Mahomes, and maybe Dwayne. Skains Patrick Mahomes, or some are Ben Rothlisberger. That would be awesome. We need to get Scott in. He's gotta go, but quick word about stamps dot com. Stamps dot com is perfect for small businesses. 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Six on the road and then handling Portland game one by the way, like the blazers tonight a lot plus seven and a half as an aside. What does it mean? Like what are we watching? Are we watching a team that could have won the last two titles without Durant? I don't know. Maybe. I mean they're really good. Without him case Steph Curry's really good. And Draymond crate, Claes agreed shoot. I, I don't know that they would have won the last that they would have won without. I mean they had one without of. I think they're gonna be without a mixture. So they probably get used to life with life without him again. It would be my guess. But I, I don't know. I mean I what difference does it make? Oh, I think it makes a big difference. I think that there's been you know, a debate and, and maybe a one sided debate that, you know, Durant was largely responsible for this dynasty that they did win one without him at the beginning. And then then they lost one without him. And then he has been arguably, you know, a top two or top three player the last two years. But I tend to think after watching this team here recently that they certainly could have had similar results without him. I think it's remarkable that that. That they, they potentially didn't need Durant to win three titles and four years. I mean, a record without him and wisdom been great. And I personally was enjoyed seeing Steph be great in the fourth. I feel like he gets scrutinized more in, in his poor performances nitpicked more than a lot of other players, and I don't know. He was just spectacular watching him in that fourth quarter against Houston was amazing watching Portland decide just let picks not sort of. Double. I mean it was it was founding. I mean you're going to let the best shooter come up pick and get a wide open. Look as that workout thought it was funny. With Terry Stott said afterwards when he was asked about that. He said, so did Houston double off that pick and roll. The answer is yes. And how many points did he have in second half their night? Thirty three said that. I like I mean, I appreciate it. Stutz response to his point, was the only got a few of those out of out of the pick of all, I think, I mean, look, steps, one of the greatest shoes it's ever ever lived, and you sort of had had a pick your spots, and he's probably going to get his one way or another. I think it is true, though. And I saw the debate that you had after game six with Stephen A on your show because it followed that game last Friday night, and I do think that he gets picked on. And I think there's a lot like I even have sensed it from maybe players who've said, no Steph, ain't all what you guys think he is. You know first of all, he's terrible. Defender. And if you really crowd him you can Muslim beat him up and the dude went after zero in the first half in a game in a closeout game against a team that, you know, so convinced they were robbed a year ago and by the way, that's my favorite part of the playoffs that Houston's done, and he goes for thirty three I do think he's been picked on. And there's been this underlying thing about Steph curry not being as great as many of the fans think. I those that's the thing. And then you know he goes on scores twenty three in the fourth and thirty three second half. Then he has nine three pointers in his first game against Portland is just I mean, I've taken to just making fun of it on the show just sort of laughing and saying, how how's your stuff slander working out, and he's certainly not above being criticized. Course of course you can you can criticize him, but I mean, I think just the teams just gross and Durant luxury which is amazing because he is arguably the best plan planet, and they don't need him. And he they'll get him back at some point between now and the finals, and I think they will need him because I think they're gonna play Milwaukee and any Milwaukee's best team in basketball because they have been you know, Kevin, I think maybe some of the players look at Steph and to say, well, you just shooting the ball, you know, I mean, it's all still he says shooting the ball that that's been Tommy's thing. About stuff, because he's been one of these what's so great you. He's just shooting it. And that's all anybody in the history game including baron. Okay. It's glorified game a horse. Okay, that's fine. Well, let's talk about lack of respect. What about Steve? Curt does he get any respect in any of this story line as to where his places and coaching history? Not really. And that's kind of odd because everyone talks about Phil Jackson and he had several of the greatest players that ever lived. I mean show me the coach that one without great players. I I'll wait for that list. You're right. I mean, I've seen I've seen a lot of coaches screw up talent. So I never penalize coach for winning with great talent. I agree with you there. But the main thing in Jackson, obviously dated instead and the occurs having to do it as manage Manji goes manage personalities, and it's certainly different. Now. It's fascinating. Actually, now see the way you have to deal with it in the era, where everyone's thinking out loud on social media. Everyone sensitive, Kevin Durant. Certainly very high on the list of those, those people you have to figure out how to how to navigate all of those types of things, I think Kerr's been great at that. And because he, he lifted I mean, he was he, he played for that, you know that circus with the bulls back in the day and knows kind of what personality management's like he dealt with the all time alpha and Michael as a teammate. So I mean he ought to get credit. I just don't think I don't think we're in the business of really giving lots of credit these days to coaches because they just go look. He's got. Yeah. You've loved the bucks all year long. They were the best record wise in the regular season. Toronto had a shot last night to steal game one. And they didn't I've come around on your thinking on Milwaukee, I actually liked him to win the series even though I'm rooting for Toronto. I thought they would win it and five when they get to the finals, which I think they will, I think they will against Golden State. I think the, the series price is going to be interesting because I think Milwaukee's definitely that Vegas bullish on the bucks. And I think the public will just think Golden State because we know a lot of people when it comes to the sport. Tune in for the NBA finals. I think that price, even with Durant is gonna be really slim. Do you agree? Yes. I think Vegas has told you without telling you, you just all you have to pay attention numbers, there would would what they're what series price was against Toronto. They're prohibitive favorites against a good team. And what they were to win even a week ago compared to stay very similar. So I mean look, the they went sixty and twenty two. They had more blowout wins and anybody in the NBA their profile. If you take their name off of their profile is finals winner based on what they've been in what the numbers say about them historically. But because their name says Milwaukee and because there's still very little buying because it's like, okay, what are they all other than Yoenis like Bledsoe rook? Lopez Middleton will. He's an all star Bilton is an all-star, and if you don't understand that. Well, I can't help you don't care. You don't have to be smart. If you don't wanna be. They're really, really good. So when when you see that number, and you're gonna dive on kgo date, I think the values walkie 'cause you if there's a poll today for that series that, that, that you should just take it is, if there's a what did you say? Plus, I'm sorry, you faded out there. Yes. Yeah. Well, if there's a plus there's a well, there's definitely going to be a plus if Durant's back and I have no idea what that is. But I think even if Durant isn't back, it's still going to be a, plus it may be a plus one thirty or a plus one forty something like that. But the public's going to play Golden State and they're going to try to bait into taking them to. I agree. I'm just saying that smart play would be to take the better team would you think about the lottery, the other night, and where's Ian's going? Compelling really compelling. And it's fascinating how how much interest this young this young man as a route him and this whole, he's going to go back to Duke. I mean, and I don't know that any smart people were saying other than like, oh, well, he doesn't want to go to New Orleans. Well, how did anyone the Saint people that were saying he shooting play at Duke after shoe up of people saying he should go back to just stop tall? Wait a minute. What are you, what are you talking people are saying that he should go back to their so now? Yeah, there's some people that are saying he can't right now. I think he can. He can he carry could mean you're allowed to sign with agents. Now go back if you. There's a path back. And then if you just well, who wouldn't you zone is rights next year, would he'd go back into the draft, Nick. I think so. But there's no, no, they, they own is right? Really, right? That's what people people don't understand that. And they also don't understand how much money's gonna make for shoot deal. And I just people just talk to talk. A whole New Orleans screwed up. Anthony davis. So they're supposed to blow up, you know what it is winnings. Hard. It's really hard like Philadelphia went through three years of sucking so they could be great because you don't want to be a middle of the road franchise that can only win like a first round playoff game. You don't feel Delfi is done for all their processing often point first round series. That's what they've done even if even if he went back into let's say what I mean if there's a lottery next year. Let's say he this thing that New Orleans own his right. Wouldn't go back into the draft. Is that is that what understanding? Okay. I, I don't take my word for it. I'm just saying I have no idea it would be brutally. It's a whole ridiculous conversation to be going back to two. I agree with that. So anyway, my reaction was that I'm glad that the teams tried not to win and get it. I think that the whole tanking I hate tanking hate it and the. Fact that the teams that had the three worst records, got three five and six no reason you can't get good players at three five and six. But I'm glad they didn't get on just because I don't feel like you should get rewarded when you don't try I hate that. So it it's I mean he he's single handedly has attention. That's it's unique. This guy wise, men, mixture, maybe the number one player, he's not gonna have it the same as I did. He's, he's, he's rare in that way. Oh, yeah. I mean, t- Tommy, I actually wish you were here for this conversation, but I went back through the list of all of the number one picks and NBA history. And he's in a select class of about ten to twelve players that are not just consensus number ones. There have been many of those players who were thought to be in the moment, guys that were historically great and would immediately alter the fortunes of the franchise that took him in Zion is in that class. Yeah. I mean he's the biggest knee. Needle mover as a number one pick probably since LeBron. And we got to see him for year. We didn't even get to see LeBron. And in the Arabs, I mean, I think what he did for college basketball, this year was amazing because it's one of our favorite sports Scott and the truth of the matters. The popularity have been waning and he gave it a jolt this year, and it was followed up by a great NCWA tournament as it turned out with epic games. He really was was responsible for that anyway. PGA championship. Tiger got off to a rough start. He's actually he's got it back to one over. Now as we speak. Nobody cares about where he is right now. But who did you like going into it? I picked kept good. Just I, I said, it's a big boy golf course. And he's a big boy. That was the line. I gave for PR folks that Astro pick. And he's off to a roaring start you're gonna have to be able to, to, to smash it out there. And he just elevates his game in Major's, and I liked him. He's he's, he's off to a great start. I mean it's, it's as we talk here. It's early. You know, have to feel hasn't even played their first around. So, you know, it's who knows. But kept his he's that guy and he gets a sniff of it, and he's, he's tough to deal with this guy right now in sports is one of the top clutch big game big tournament and their sport performers he's become that, you know, in, in two years, and he's off to an amazing start, by the way had you played him in our golf pool. Do you have him I did? So who's your other? We now I thought I picked I thought I thought you had that I did. But I was wrong. I ended up picking Justin Rose in the master's and Gopal though, and cares. Go ahead. That's nice. I'm just I looked. I looked up this thing about I looked up thinking about draft, right? Says we were talking and I knew something about if you go early. Not if you're if you're an early entrant the draft rights are held until one year after the first NBA draft they could've entered as non early entry player if that makes any sense, so it's, it's not forever. It's more that year. Anyway, he's not going back to going back to that conversation. He's gonna go play for New Orleans. He's gonna make shit ton of money, our tanks pre she it, it, thank you, Scott, boys. How are you to Scott impelled everybody go to launch workplaces dot com? If you've been thinking about a new office space, like you're in a small spot now or you're working from home launch. Workplaces has a brand new facility in Bethesda. It's right in the massive corridor, very convenient. If you live in town, upper northwest Chevy Chase. Bethesda Potomac, even enor-. Virginia, right? Across the American Legion bridge. 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NFC Least, Rivera, & Cooley Film

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It was one of the weirdest games last night because Kyla Murray, who really is? In exciting player to watch the one thing? I think I'm learning about Murray having watched play two or three times this year he's not a very accurate thrower. It's part of his problem. And in part of that is he's always on the move but US he fast in his he exciting he only completed nine passes and yet they beat Dallas thirty eight to ten. It was never close Dallas is atrocious without Dak Prescott and let's be honest. Tommy Wick with Dak. they weren't that good. This division is the worst ever in the NFL. Three through six weeks. No Division has ever had a worse record. You really could. See a situation where foreign twelve team could wind up winning the division. What I don't think foreign twelve would be almost impossible considering they play six games against other. Can Be it can be done. Yes. I think six, nine, one, six and ten is more than play in division went winner has ever been worse than seven and nine there been I think the worst the worst divisions in NFL history the worst division winners in NFL history were seven and nine, and it's funny because I think the seven and nine teams. Went on to win playoff games in Carolina was at to a seven eight and one division winner in twenty fourteen not only won a playoff game but had a chance in the next round against Seattle I. Think we all remember the marshawn Lynch touchdown run that ended up beating the saints in two thousand ten when they won the division at seven nine and then. Beat The saints in Divisional Playoff Win. But yet a seventy nine I. Think's the worst ever for division winner and I. Think The NFC East is very much on pace to have a less than seven game winner when the division this year, which of course means Washington still still A. Baby. God. Andy Dalton rifle. They don't even have a line on the Washington game yet. Tommy I was looking this up earlier. I mentioned this morning that there's no line on the game and I was getting all these tweets. What are you talking about she and I on ESPN they're the cowboys are three point favorites. It people don't tell me my business. Okay. Okay. I understand that you can find point spreads out there and Dallas is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of three point favorite. But I promise you right now or at least as of early this morning and I'll check it again right now if you were trying to bet the game with your book if you actually were. This is the difference Tommy between practical application and theoretical application there lot of people that are really good at doing the theoretical or doing the big talk about how they can they got a plan and they know what's going on. But then when it comes down to actually taking your money out of your wallet and putting it down on a team, they shrivel up to next to nothing I can tell you I multiple sites that I frequent when it comes to this stuff none of those are accepting bets right now. On The Washington football team versus Dallas game, it is off the board. We call that not be off the board I'm right now and it's because Dallas look. So horrendous last night it was so stunningly awful with Andy Dalton at quarterback that they have not been able to figure out yet what the line should be I have a feeling by the time I'm able to bet it. It'll be like DALLAS MINUS TWO DALLAS MINUS ONE IT might still be three. You know because Washington's really bad too but anyway, I asked a question. Go ahead I asked a question early this morning on the show and took calls on it who's going to win the division and what will the record me Say Eagles and they'll be five and eleven what can't be five and eleven because they already have tie. So. Five ten and one. Five now six and ten, they can't be six ten they already have a tie. Oh they already have a top your yes. They've already tied a game so they can't be six. One Okay I had the eagles also at six nine one. Winning the division I think they're the the one team that has a solid coaching staff, CH- championships, they have championship paddock. Really. Good defense but my God Tommy, they are so injured. I mean they keep the Zach Ertz in miles sanders on Sunday Erz out a month sanders is going to be out two weeks. They have basically every player that they counted on to help when division this year on injured reserve or you know limping around hobbling around they've got offensively they're a mess defensively they're still in decent shape I got Philadelphia too I. Think they're the best team I think they'll rise to the the the highest poor highest level of bottom, and B. six nine in one and being in a playoff game. I. I actually believe the giants might be the second best team in the division. I think I think they might be the second best team. You know one of the issues Tommy is that the NFC East this year has the AFC north and the NFC west as crossovers. So they've got the toughest division in the AFC and they've got the toughest division in the NFC that they're matched up against I. mean it's brutal. The schedules presented teams the rest of the way. So anyway. You know when you were talking about gambling. I've never quite heard anyone to scribe betting. As. A measure of courage like you just did. Some kind of badge of courage. All these other girls are out there talking about Betton I'm doing it baby. Tommy you're right. You're right and it's very funny because. Some of my very good friends who are also and have been gamblers. You know we have had the conversation about those guys look we all know the guys that are at tell you all about their big wins on Monday. But they didn't tell you about him on Friday did they they didn't tell you about them before the Games, but we used to have a guy that we worked with remember Paul Gorge Paul still good friend. He's it was a sales guy nine, eighty for years and Paul was the king of Monday morning went six and one. You, know Monday morning I you. Oh, you had you had Tampa Bay. No I had Chicago You were on the cardinals on annoyed Seattle. I went seven in one I had that one loss and every Monday. He was a winner Monday and I finally just said to him I go I. Don't WanNa hear on Monday about what you did. Anymore I wanNA hear your. Picks on Friday and once that started to happen. I. Realized that honestly, Hey, he may have been betting not that much be he was losing a lot more than he was talking about it but those that don't bet will always tell you. Oh, that's dumb. I wouldn't have done that I would bet at the other way really but you didn't right but you didn't did you. Yeah there's a little bit of bravery involved in taking off. Frame, for the right worst. Actually, there's a lot of stupidity involved. That's sort of like diminishes the bravery. Well, I think here's what I would say I. I would say that there's a level of of risk that some people actually get a rush out of and other people cower when they're forced to take it and that's yeah absolutely there. So yeah anyway. The the NFC is horrible and the cowboys and the cowboy fan base. They've already turned on McCarthy. Of course, they had already turned on Jones you know it it Prescott all the all the you know the viral videos and memes last night of Dak Prescott laughing hysterically and you know Ri- taking a brinks truck up to Jerry's front door and saying Jerry taking the bring struck up and saying your name, your price Whatever it's terrible division in Washington can win on Sunday against Dallas and be in first place in the NFC east on. Sunday that's how crazy it is and I said this cool yesterday. I'm predicting a Washington Win Sunday, I did that before last night I. Am I am taking out my you know what's and I am wagering on Washington to beat Dallas on Sunday I think they I don't think Dallas is very good I don't think Washington is very good I think Washington's GonNa win four games something like that and I think one of them's going to be on Sunday. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong. Well, you know. I mean Dallas looked so bad. I think that's I. Think Washington winning on Sundays is a good bet. Absolutely. I mean. It really seems it's such a pathetic matchup to think of what you lived through when it was Washington versus dowse and what it is now. I mean, it's it's it's I don't even know how to describe. You know what? A magnificent what AMAC deficit matchup that's used to be. And how far it's fallen. I mean, it's it's this. Any I'm not even at Washington Fan and it said. So it's interesting that you bring that up first of all, just a couple of minutes ago I saw Ben Standing tweet out on that this is probably the least anticipated Washington Dallas game of all time there've been several of them actually as it really I mean they played on two thousand one on Monday night game when both teams I think Washington. Was Oh and Ford Alice Zone five Washington was up seven to six Stephen Davis fumbled Dallas ended up winning the game nine, two seven but then Washington, took off they were Owen five after that game and then took off they won their next five games under Marty. Schottenheimer. Won Eight of their final eleven and it was interesting because I remember that Monday night game. And the reason I remember it is that it was the highest rated Monday night game of the year that year in two thousand one even though it was owen four versus Oh, and five, and that was still you're still in that window of the power of Washington versus Dallas when All you need to know now is that it's a one o'clock game sonic. Yeah I mean it's not it's not a prime time game. It's not a national television game, but there have been a bunch of these games in recent years between these two franchises. It's but but this is gonNA lead me to this, which is you know how over the years before Dallas Games there you know as a show host on radio podcast you've you've done the same your you always think about talking about. All right let's do the one. Let's do the couple of segments about the rivalry you know tell me I don't even care to do that like I think that fewer people really care. A not well. Not only that. It seems I mean if you look at for, you're hoping for at least a semblance of originality. Even though everything is a copy of everything else. And? Where we the story about the diminishing of the rivalry is a cliche now. It's been going on for so long. It's a cliche definitely. Tell us tell us something new. Right I mean, no nobody cares about it anymore. Yeah, it's it's useless to write about I've got reams of I am doing this transcription of of. redskins interviews from the past. I've had I have reams of stuff from choirs about the Dallas. Washington rivalry and what it meant. You know I mean, why would I trot that out again now? I mean. It's meaningless. Now, they they play the cowboys on Thanksgiving this year and you know whenever Washington in Dallas played on Thanksgiving and God they played on Thanksgiving a lot in recent years. You know a lot they played on Thanksgiving in two, thousand, eighteen, they played on Thanksgiving. In in two thousand sixteen that was the last game that the the twenty, sixteen game. Felt like in the moment. Okay. This thing could get back to something here over the next couple of years. Washington won the division the year before they remember they adjust crush the packers and Aaron Rodgers on Sunday night that was the you know how? How do you like me now game and they went to Dallas and it was just a fabulous football game. Dallas Wanted Dallas was nine, one, Washington was six, three and one. It was the best aggregate record matchup between the two teams in like decades and you know they're they were and Dallas was awesome with with Zeke in with Daqing and. Cousins was having a big year in Washington looked good and it was a massive game and it's been all downhill since. Yes anyway you know you had the twenty twelve rg three game at the end of the year for the division. I it's you're right. It's a cliche. This is yeah. Now, I do believe that if either team got really Good and they started playing meaningful games against one another again, it would become a big deal remember Tommy four decades the Green Bay. Packers met nothing in the NFL when Lombardi left, they weren't good in the seventies with the exception of one year with John Brockton. They played Washington in the postseason. They weren't very good in the eighties and they weren't good for. For the early portion of the nineties until Brett, farve got back. So that rivalry their rivalries between Chicago and Green Bay, which was has always been a massive rivalry became cliche. You know because Green Bay sucked. So if Washington ever got good again in Dallas. Ever got good again, it would come right back and it would be a big deal for the NFL. but it's not right now. No one cares no one cares. So I think I'm going to. Think I'm GonNa make the the decision this week to really not talk about what Washington Dallas meant to me and everybody else that listen I think it's gotten old in recent years. Okay. Great. The championship game eighty, three, the championship game, and you know seventy, two, the the the the great Monday night game we can Houston the great, the great, thirty, five, thirty, four, all the all the games I mean you know all the memories at this point who cares it's so long ago it is. You know I don't know in the nineties were they talking about bears redskins from the forties anymore? No. I don't think so. It's almost it's. Almost been that long. It's so manolis. Anyway. So About our head coach while. On the little perplexed. I was actually I, wrote a com- off the game. Sunday. For Monday's Washington Times. You can still read it probably somewhere on the on the website. Dot Com Senate to me and I've read it. Yeah Dad and. I'm in the minority on this I guess that really called into question his decision to go for two points. At the end, the game, one of a number of I don't think you're in the minority I would say you're in the majority I haven't heard many people think that it was the right thing to do wasn't the right thing to do. I mean I guess I guess for what I'm seeing is the Washington media that's covering this coach and it's going down the same path that they did shake. Rudin. Where you know everything, he does his right and he's a really good coach and all of a sudden you wake up one day and he's not. You know. Yeah. So I mean are you accusing me of that? You're I mean because I could be because I think I thought it was a good higher and I thought Ron Rivera was a good coach. I thought what was was a good high and it's still be a good hire. You can't evaluate everything in a Kobe year with the coach having cancer taking over the worse organization is football. But in the moment, there's a lot of confusing thing about the coach and you know I mean this whole notion of going for it further win for two points to to help change the culture to you know his team a lesson. And and show that he believes in them. Couldn't have done that if you kicked the extra point and went into overtime. I mean couldn't couldn't all the same lessons be taught. Whether it be a level of confidence to say look I'm going to kick the extra point because I know we get these guys on the field for another ten or fifteen minutes, and we'll beat them. I mean thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Yesterday. It's exactly what I said like this this notion in you know I love Sally and Sally writes this you know columnists paraphrasing about you know the guys on the couch don't know anything. I mean this was a firm bold decision no actually you could have made the firm bold decision to say get out there kicked the extra points for the better team right now we're GONNA go kick their ass and overtime because that would have been the right answer handling them down the field accord lace. We've got safes young. We had face young chase go out there and get the ball if they get the ball first, which does favor them obviously in overtime. Go get the ball chase. Playing to win playing to teach your players, how to learn how to win all the platitude stuff we're hearing from this guy he's got to stop talking somebody's gotTa help them shorten up his answers because it's just it's really it's gotten annoying You know you can do that by kicking the extra point you know you can do that I mean that does not exclude. Kicking the extra point is an answer especially when kicking the extra point in context gives you more likely than not a higher probability of winning the game. You know they were the better team in that moment they I believe it was advantage Washington going overtime still the the most nonsensical part of everything and I I saw Russell really get after him on on on his. Monday presser yesterday, Chris Russell, and I said this yesterday I'm like, why is he talking about a philosophy of home and road? These are neutral site games. These are neutral arena games. There's no advantage to playing at home or on the road. This year is he of an unaware at this? I pointed that out in the com- I said, what's he talking about the fake? Crowd noise I don't know what he's talking about I. Mean What was that? All I mean like it's like it's like you're living in a different world when you hear him say something like that and I mean you gotta be looking at each other saying what's he talking about? You know their stunning I mean it's it's twenty twenty. There's nobody in the stands he said. Russell asked him about you know this approach this philosophical we go for the win on the road we go for overtime. We kick for overtime at home and look there are some statistics out there that that say that if you're at home, you've got a better chance of winning in overtime then the roads but. Everything should be in that situation a mixture of analytics context you know what you're seeing in the moment i. These hard and fast rules are stupid. You know because how like I think? I gave this example yesterday can you imagine you know you've got this hard and fast rule of going to the win on the road and your offense has produced zero points and fourteen yards on the day and can't make a yard against the team you're playing on the road but your defense gets a fumble return late and it's seven to six and you're gonNA put your offense out there. You can put your offense out there to go for a two point conversion in that context like stop it with the with that approach you've got, you've got you've got up include context who are we playing? What's the game situation WHO's injured? Who isn't do? We have a play that we think a work in this situation? There's so much to it but Russell said, asked him on the road versus home thing considering that there aren't any fans and he said you, that's pretty. Much. The approach should I used that that we were on the road? Sure. There weren't any fans to be honest with you. I didn't even think about that. The only thing I was thinking about was that this was an opportunity for us to win your down at the two yard line. You feel good about the play you call you feel good about the guys that are on the field just scored had momentum we had energy. So I figured that now was the. Chance to do something and see if we can do it unfortunately, it didn't work and then Russell follows up. He said. So just to clarify if you had been at Fedex field, you would have kicked it. You would have gone for the tie and he said I'm just looking at what the statistics tell us So a couple of things first of all, he said this multiple answers yesterday we were down there at the two yard line for the two point conversion. We were down there. Let me just look for. Be for those that don't know this. That's always where the two points version down. There is always where the two point conversion play takes place. Secondly, when he kept saying we had the momentum we had the energy we had just scored. You know well, then why with all the momentum and he did had the momentum made run thirty one place to the six place since late in the third quarter. So why would you have it come down to one play? You know the there is no doubt a probability. That says if you are the better team more plays will give you a better chance to prove that then fewer place. That's why when you're a big underdog, right, you want a short and the game fewer place. If you are the favourite in that moment I, if if I were an odds maker and they just scored and I'd watched that game start to finish I would've made Washington a favourite in overtime a slight favorite but a favourite nonetheless. So if you are the favorite at that point, you want more place not one play, not one play because you know because first of all, if you're using the numbers on two point conversions, it's less than a fifty fifty overall over the years currently in recent years, it's about a forty eight percent. It's close but it's You're not even flipping a coin at that point you're actually. There it's a better chance. You'RE GONNA. Get stopped based on the numbers anyway his explanation once again nonsensical. You know the whole thing yesterday he's talking about the division again he mentioned you know that they're still you know the biggest thing is that you know we move the ball and we felt good about that and defensively we had a good game and we had guys stepped up and you just hope that you know what's happened is I've challenged these guys because of the circumstances in her division, it's not like anybody's running away with it right now we're going to keep seeing what happens each week. Well, I mean they must have been on a group text last night watching the cowboys saying we're better than them. You know because you know what they might be actually. But. You you you mentioned this on on Sunday on twitter. I saw I wrote about it in my column. Here's this is another part of what he did in his press conference on Sunday. have. You ever seen a coach Rica statistics of a quarterback? Loss after the game, I'm sure it's happened, but this was not the place for to happen. You're right I mean that was such a bizarre moment for him to actually real off the statistics in a losing effort of his quarterback. Isn't this what Twain Haskins causing trouble for? For talking. Statistics in the locker room after he lost the game. I mean I think there's that whole thing I mean look first of all, that's at this point been a report Secondly, I don't you know a player. Reading his fantasy stats after a loss is pretty bad a coach in the middle of a press conference you know asking whether or not his quarterback is going to start the following week. It's not the answer I would have given I. mentioned this yesterday and you'd sounds like you read my tweet it's a real simple answer. The offense was better, but it wasn't good enough but he's are starting next week next question he starts ripping off the stats I mean. It was it was. Are. Weak moment. In the press conference and All that said like you said. L. Probably beat, the cowboys. If they're going to be the key. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA, win four games this year they're GONNA win four games I. Think he's just. I think there's a I mean again, I, I hate to do this every single time because it sounds like making excuses for him I just. I don't think he's right right now and I think there are reasonable reasons for him not to be completely with it right now, and so with that set of gray if I were the PR department I would be out there trying to protect them a little bit. I would be really trying to help him but you know he's got a you know. I we've had a couple of people call in on the radio show and say, look it is good for him to be working. It's better for his health to be working and if that's true great but he's impacted right now decision making you know press conferences probably tired impacted because I don't think I've ever been in this in. This is saying a lot for this franchise through a month and a half of press conferences that have been more. Mixed messaged nonsensical. He was asked by the way about the mixed messaging yesterday he said I'm not. You know he didn't he he feel like he's giving out mixed messages, which is fine I mean are we playing to win or we played for the long game? Are We? Are we he doesn't know what he's doing I mean. He I know. Somebody suggested me Portis did this morning he said, maybe he's he's legitimately tanking, which is why he went for two and I said, well, what if he had made the two point conversion? You know what if? That doesn't make sense. In one the game well, the play call wasn't great. You know maybe he thought the play they would call wouldn't have a chance scoring I don't know I don't think he's tanking to be honest with you I don't think that that's what's going on right now you know what I mean. You could easily make the case and I don't I'm GONNA. Ask You here in the second that if he were really trying to tank, he'd be playing Haskins or Alex. Smith. He actually played the guy on Sunday that clearly after the game Sunday against the giants and I know it was against the giants I understand that but he's the guy that clearly gives them the best chance to be professional offensively right now. In. Kyle. Said, the PR department should protect them a little bit. They were pretty busy last week cremony Alice Smith six, six sack performance. This week dial all you saw on social media or were stories and interviews about Alex Smith and how he survived six sacks I. I've never seen a team. Go out of its way to. Promote. A game where they suffered six sacks like this organization did. To whole beginning, the whole beginning of it is is bizarre usually like you said, usually it takes a while. To get to the bizarre part for this team I mean usually end up beginning. Jim -sorts seemed relatively normal in the beginning. You know a little bit. I mean. We. Sweep spe we spent up to the dysfunctional part like immediately much faster than you've even ever predicted. Yes. Yes. But again, all that set all could it be meaningless? It could be me. It's such a screwed up here. For. So many reasons, and this is why I don't want. I don't think he should be out there coaching because it's an it's it's it's a lost year Senate relevant year just kissed off. You know. But. You know he could. Next year they come back and he could seem like the smartest guy in the room again. What if the did I? Don't know if he was I, didn't see him that much in Carolina. Cooley said something to me last week in the podcast Tommy that I thought was like you know he said, let's you were fan of his but did you really know like? We're all we all watch football were all sports fans but really the teams that we know the most are the teams were we follow the every day and we listened to the every press conference and we see how things are handled in every game and he's you know his Cooley has soured on camera I. Don't know that he was ever a fan of Rivera but he is really he said this is really not good in the offensive coordinator selection. Was Not a good one at this point even though he conceded to that you know they were much more. Incompetent offensively on Sunday than they've been I. I think this season is heading to four wins. You know four if they can get to four quickly you know then we'll have meaningful games. In November and December but no, I think they're heading to like a four win season and hopefully that'll be enough to get into like the Justin fields you know the the quarterback of the their team is not on their roster next. Few -solutely not, he's definitely not on the roster. So that's why it's a seems like. A lost season. I look I, what's fair is I talk about this all the time. You know that's not really that's not fair the Washington football fan. Because they've suffered so many law seasons they've suffered far more law seasons than ceasing meaning. Over the past twenty years and I like people say well, you gotta give them some time. He's just getting started. It seems like one long continuous stark. It's like they've been waiting. You know for for years for for this corner to turn and it never gets turned. So I, mean I understand when when Washington fans are after you know people say, well, what did you expect? You expect on the be good. No I mean. The the rational part in expected to be good but that doesn't mean. That, you have to swallow it. Doesn't mean that you can't express your outrage that you've lived through this. So many times waiting for it to get better and it never does. I am not going to bail on Ron Rivera, but I'm also not going to avoid the question six games into his first season, which is a reasonable one and that is. Did, they make a mistake hiring Ron Rivera it's a reasonable question I know it's only. Let let let's let's deal with the reality here. Just briefly just let me briefly. It really didn't matter who they hire. But why do you do this all the time in? It's like okay. So what so what do you WanNa do the podcast about if we Dan, Snyder, owns the team Dan Snyder owns the team he's going to continue to own the team, which means they're never going to be any good. They'RE GONNA lose more than they win. They're gonNA have more turmoil than not. So what do you WanNa do today you WanNa talk about the weather how a lot of people enjoyed the covered bridges conversation from the other day I mean they. I understand by the way, Saturday I was hiking the canal here. So we could talk about that as well. But I, look I I think that what you start bringing it did they make the right hire I think you enter into the conversation it's matter who they hired. I understand that. I do understand that I'm so. So so so let me let me let me restate then. Okay. Okay. Is Ron Rivera the guy to turn it around. or or at this point I would it. What's your opinion on Ron Rivera through six games I'll get one word on Ron Rivera through six games. One Word Gimme one word right now. overwhelmed. I was more looking for a word that you would utter. About a I in your reaction to him, you're saying he's overwhelmed. I that's fine. That's that that answers find my my one word would be concerned. I'm legitimately concerned that would be two words but I'm concerned that. He's not the right Guy I. Am I mean I, think I told Cooley this yesterday had somebody tweet me over the weekend flip flopped on Haskins and you're flop on Rivera whatever I I I'm telling you how I feel in the moment. Okay. Information changes, opinions and influences opinions, and if you're hard and fast sticking with an opinion based on new information well, that's your problem. I like alight using new information and new data and then making a then forming a new opinion. I liked Ron. Rivera like the the hiring of Ron, Rivera six weeks into the season based on what I've seen on the field and based on more importantly the way I hear him handling things in talking about things concerned. And the concern is. Maybe he ain't the guy. Maybe. Maybe, I was wrong. Maybe they were wrong. It certainly wouldn't be surprising if they were wrong and at the same time I feel badly saying that because this could all be a result of him battling cancer right now are crying out loud could. Acid could and. We're not hearing anything from the players the players seem to love him. So. We. We certainly didn't hear. To me part of the the the thing that I was impressed by his all of the players that played for them, all the coaches that coached with them they all love. Yes. So yeah now one other things to set aside and I know this is just a stupid little thing. Did He know this? A Thomas to Apis didn't play on Sunday and was not hurt. Yes. Coho that. Guy Yes. But but it coolly pointed this out the Davis. Davis's best days or clearly behind him based on his film breakdown of of Davis's play the last few weeks he's just not is not capable likey. He wants was and Cooley really down on on Bostick bostick continued to play but they got coal. Out there. For. The first. yet they're trying things. You know like I I had somebody say to me it's really interesting right that Haskins there one in five in Haskins. The only guy that's been benched. Well, that's not true. Okay. They benched West Martin. The other day they bench trapped. You know they bench. Fabien. Moreau They've tried a lot of different things they're trying. The they're learning to do you know I don't WanNA use the off season and the lack of one is an excuse because a lot of other teams had that issue as well But you know the teams especially with new coaches, the giants, the cowboys Washington Cleveland and Carolina Carolina's been the one in Cleveland to with Stefanski they've done a good job but. I don't know that that Cleveland's GONNA end up in the postseason either but they're still figuring it out but they've tried a lot of different things so far to say that is just. I I find that to be when when I hear somebody say that and say in the in the way that this was said to me, it's like they're implying the the overtone is that it somehow racially motivated all and. If you gotTa, you gotTa deal in facts. He's not the only guy that's been benched. They've been trying a lot of things here. You know with the players that have been struggling had they sat down Landon Collins yet no They don't have a lot of options to sit Landon Collins down they have sat troy APP key down they. They SAT Shawn Deehan Hamilton down he didn't play very well they clearly did thought that Thomas Davis. To your point, who is a favorite of the coach? shouldn't see any time on Sunday. So you know the the just sometimes it it's amazing. The way opinions or formed and people just accept them without actually looking up whether or not they're true or not I was GONNA. So I, WanNa take a break BS I. I don't know if you saw this and I just sought and. It's a screen shot of an instagram that Dwayne Haskins put out yesterday I'll be honest with you I don't understand it really maybe you will. We'll do that next. It's the Kevin Sheehan podcast Tommy's on coolest coming up with this film breakdown. We're back after this message from one of our sponsors. All right guys let's be honest. Were better. Football than we've ever been at playing football some of you some of you had that story about the injury in high school that kept you from the D. One scholarship and eventually from being drafted into the NFL. But most of us are just better at watching the game. This football season's different and Pepsi is here to get you ready for the Game Day how you watch this season Pepsi's the. Refreshment that you need to power through game, become a member of the League of football watchers. These are the passionate fans like us that are the real generational talent. 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You have with me go to hell and then a lot of you know smiling laughing crying emojis hashtag respectfully Sir Dwayne was responding or answering to this. and. dwayne. Put this out on his. And then he took it down but somebody got it. Scream capped and screen shotted before he took it down. It reads quote if I bring up an issue I have with you that is not your time to bring up any grievances you have with me. You had time and opportunity just like me, but you chose not to now is your time to listen not deflect. And so he had that up on his instagram briefly and then took it down but it got screen shotted you now now untwisted I I'm not following him on Instagram I've been following him on twitter and he did congratulate Cam Sims who had his first touchdown And he re tweeted a Cam Sims tweet saying super proud of you've been working to have an opportunity to like this for years to capitalize on your on your moment fan keeping my fingers crossed He also you know instagram. tweeted out when Dak Prescott got injured last week praying for you. Big Bro at work And he's really been absent for the most part on twitter. You know know re tweeting stuff. Of course, they're probably haven't been any favourable reviews of his performance to re tweet. But. What what does this mean? If I bring up an issue I have with you that is not your time to bring up any grievances you have with me had time an opportunity just like me, but you chose not to now is your time to listen not deflect. So. It's sort of in response to this Justin loboi thing. I. Looked do you have any sense of what it means? Now. I mean I it could be something personal. He could be talking to a friend or girlfriend for all. We know right. So I'm conceding the that I have no idea what it means I have no idea who is responding to I don't know any of the context but what I would suggest maybe somebody suggested to him, which is why he took it down so quickly. That he not put out these kinds of messages on social media right now whether they are completely benign or their cryptic words are more direct you know I don't care which of the three they are right now the perception he should try to create in really it should be a reality for his team of coaches and teammates, and the rest of the League is that he recognizes that his career is hanging in the balance right now and the only thing that matters to him his football. That's it. The only thing that matters is in the facility every day doing what the coaches tell him to do and more than that. and. So again, I don't know anything about what this means I'll on. I'm not saying that it was some sort of message to the team or to the fan base or to anybody else I'm just saying that Su ever gave me advice to take down quickly I think that was good advice. He should be absent on social media absent from doing interviews and the only discussion should come from others about him about how well he's handling himself right now and the adversity that he's facing. Well, he's not GONNA be able to sustain that. Most, most people his generation can't seem to. It's good advice but I don't think he'll be able to not everybody in his generation. For social media approval not everybody. That's true. Not Everybody does. Concerning Haskins. Yell the biggest story around this team right now that we don't know anything about. What? What's the owners reactions whose quarterback being benched? We don't know anything. No I had. Clinton. Portis on the radio show this morning I said it'd be talked to Dan and he said bright before the season started. That's the last time we talked to him and he just said that he's going through a hell of a lot right now you know this there's a lot of you know. Lot of stuff he's going through but but on Sunday, he's watching football team he notices WHO's out there playing quarterback. So I mean it's much he's going through. East still has one day a week where his guy isn't he notices his guy is an out there under center. And if he's not reacting at all And if he's fine with it, that's a story. If. He's into if he if he's chomping at the bit and he's angry at it, of course, that's a story. But if he's doing nothing or if he said or he privately saying whatever to coach wants is fine and he really means sat that's a story I guess. It is I know you know what I'm not looking for stories anymore on I. Mean I know that we? It's really I just can't like you said I can't believe we've gotten to this point. So quickly quickly I mean You know you had the over under on Lav Amina is a year and you came in at what nine months or whatever I mean the over under on this season unraveling and maybe even the Ron Rivera era unraveling this season unraveling was I dunno eight nine weeks at least ten weeks and on Rivera unraveling, it had to be three years. It's Come down a little bit. Yeah. It has. Anyway. what do you think about the world series? I'm actually very much looking forward to watching this world series. That's good. You're not good. No Man I mean, it's such an allusion and you know. God bless him I know the reporters who are who are showing up in these press boxes and to do any interviews on zoom. You know I know I. Know You know they're committed and I feel for them and I respect them but it's almost like Stockholm Syndrome. That they're writing that this is something exciting and interesting and good. This is an aberration golf whole season. Is Is holy show. I mean, it doesn't mean any. It's like it's like an interim Wbz a white heavyweights idol it's like the title they given boxing when they have a champion. But they WANNA, create another champion. So they create an interim. This it's a it's a phony year I mean. This. This is like a tournament after spring training. and. This goes for football to it's not enough to try me away from it because I've enjoyed watching the football so far. But The crowd noises insult the fake crowd noise it's it's an instant. It's our Intel. It's been really bad too I mean and and I. Know The guy that does it here locally for the Fedex Games for the in game experience for the players. So I'm not here I don't think I'm hearing what whoever's handling the TV actually he's doing the TV I think somebody else is doing the I forget now it's just so inconsistent it's bad. It's bad. Sold, it's like the cardboard cutouts. States all I mean my God I mean how stupid are we? Think wow, this is almost like the real thing the cord cardboards. Thing. Yeah and still like the world series I'll watch. You know I watched the Comedy LCS caves. But I. Mean. Don't tell me this is a season. Okay and don't tell me this is something great art can we get Joe Can? Can we get past those of us I put myself into that category of being weirdly you know Stockholm's Stockholm Syndrome psychologically attached to something that that was trying to treat me poorly. cozying up to something that apparently is so bad because you know I really enjoyed the NBA playoffs and I had friends of mine saying what is wrong with you I'm like it's good and Tommy, I watched a lot of the the league championship series stuff that the game seven the other night I was watching that as much as I was watching the Sunday night football game that was compelling game it felt. Like a playoff game in October, seventh game and bellinger comes up in the seven tie game the you know the the the way that game started with. May on the mound struggling in the first inning. I I disagree with you. I understand why we're going to look back and say, yeah, but but I'm just telling you the Games in the moment are exciting in the moment are exciting. Yeah. Going the game. I can't forget what did these teams to get there. They went through A. Game Yeah, they did well, the dodgers we're going to be in the postseason in. Tampa. We likely going to be in the postseason to these were. As it turned out they were the two best teams in the sixty game sprint and they were the two best games by a long shot. So like it wasn't close like the dodgers were forty three and seventeen and I think Tampa when forty plus games added sixty nobody else was close to that right I. Think so let me just so my interest lies with this. Clayton. Kershaw one of the greatest left handed pitchers of all time in the regular season but man has there been pressure on him in the postseason and he really hasn't delivered Tommy I. Think sometimes it gets a little bit overdone in terms of how poor he's been. He's had some moments in the postseason. He pitched really wellness first two games in this postseason and he was pitching very well in game four the other night not I think. Dave? Roberts. Should've taken him out bef- before he faced Zuniga and free Freeman. Osuna back to back for the third time I think he would have been better off getting yanked in that spot but I really want him to do well I'd like to see like I I'd like to see Kershaw become something other than Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley you know what I mean like really great all time hall of Fame Lock Hall of. That could just never get it done in the postseason. Doing Barclay Michael Jordan in their way but I I'd like to see him pitch. Welcome rooting for the dodgers I. I don't know if you even have an interest but dusty Baker nearly got his team into the world series that actually and I know they're cheaters but I was rooting for dusty to luck I was fruit for testy and I know they're cheaters too and that was that was archer the reason they hired dusty was because He was so beloved and respected in baseball that he would defuse the anti ass feeling. Perfect that the Astros win the world series would've been, it would have been poetic. If that would have happened look I'm and. I'm rooting for Goliath here to dodgers. Because I know people in the dodgers organization and what it would mean to them I don't know anybody. In Tampa Organization and I have the feeling that if Tampa wins, it's Abou addition of the. St Faceless. starlets kind of baseball. That the squad wants when you know they're sitting in their basement with their slide rules and they're saying, well, let's just changes play with this player. Really doesn't matter. You know he's a star or not. You know his analytics say this Tampa is the team that represents that animal when it's a step towards it's a step towards It's a win for the bad guys. How's that? Well, the dodgers earn analytic seem to I know that but they turn around and they traded for Mookie Betts. Yeah. They did and he's been phenomenal Do you have a pick or not? Do I have a pick. No you don't because you know I don't have a pick, but I have one thing to say to you before we go what? Antonio, Brown can return in two weeks. God. Think about that. I just I. Just did and and my thought is no chance. But it would be a you know what? It would make our jobs a little. I would add some spice to a season that's basically got none left. No taste left in this season. Let's get some. Let's get some taste back into it. That would actually be kind of fun. Can you imagine him with Poor Kyle? Allen. AGO that would be how painful would it be for? Twain Haskins to sit there and watch Antonio Brown take passes from how All right go enjoy whatever you're GONNA do today outside or transcribing an old. Column or played into some digital format whatever you've been doing. I'm sorry. My days are nice for -ducted as your no years you're very busy to. Go back in the laboratory discover a cure for no I'm actually playing golf today Your Pathetic I will talk to you on Thursday. 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They have the best quarterback, but they are don't have anybody left on their team they lost hurts for a month they lost sanders for another two weeks on Sunday and by the way the schedules, the division plays the AFC north in the NFC west I mean the eagles still have listened to the schedule. They have the giants cowboys giants the next three. Okay. Then at Cleveland Seattle Green Bay, the saints, the cardinals. So, I mean. Are they going to win six games in and win the division at six nine in one whoever gets to six is going to win the division at one was better at six, nine and one because at least it's not ten loss season. True. Never, had ten loss division winner. We've had seven and nine 's a few times, your member, New Orleans Seattle beat New Orleans in that playoff game seven and nine, the the the the famous run in that in that playoff game by what's why blanking on his name right now marshawn Lynch are shown Lynch Jesus God. Yeah they were seven nine and one that one in then the panthers of Ron. Rivera, in two, thousand, fourteen when seven, eight and one one, a playoff game in nearly one a second playoff team anyway awful division the cowboys stink got. Out of their own way, I am I. Am it's hysterical. Said you try to control the game more Ezekiel? Elliott will have more touches. He fumbled twice. Two possessions he's got he's got a fumbling problem meant massive fumbling problem. This you that's his fourth lost fumble this year fourth lost fumble. In six games. That's a problem. It's insane. I, mean I liked Andy Dalton he looked terrible last night one quick thing and Cuyler Murray? Cuyler Murray's really inaccurate as a thrower. He's really good though. No. But he has those moments when he hits Christian Kirk fifty yards downfield for an APR, touchdown. That's very accurate. He's he still has those moments where you're looking at going Jesus, this dude can play. You knew what I think he is. I think he's just a faster more athletic better vision better feel the game rg three well. 'cause archie had the gun to more athletic. That's actually a really good comparison. Doesn't see the field entire we well. But can. Like can hit this one read in timing when he asked to there's something yeah I. Don't doubt that is just he can evade in Lewd and people have to play him. So different. He's he's really interesting player because there's enough to him where you're like I, don't know man but then there's enough to and we're like studes. Incredible. He's the fastest quarterback I've ever seen. Ever. I've never seen anybody as fast as he is. I've never seen anybody also large Jackson's. Pretty comparable. That that's that's true. But they're comparable. Murray I think is quicker. Did you see the naked bootleg on a fourth and one that he kept Oh yeah. That's That's an unbelievable like there's no way to stop that. There's no chance you can stop that I don't know I I'm I by the way they have some pass rushers. I didn't even play against US did that Guy Number Forty five guard ECK play against Washington? Oh, my God he's he he was unblock -able now Dallas is messed up long offensive line. They got all these injuries they're done. They're not gonNA. Win Five Games and we're going to in Washington's GonNa Win Sunday I'm telling you right now they're going to win this game Sunday I think they are going to win the game which makes it even crazier because you're looking at this division like is Dallas going to be in first place in the division with two wins after this game? Or whatever we would theoretically right? Yeah. Know. Yes. It's possible that we could be in first place on. Sunday. Although actually if the giants won because of the head to head, they'd be in first place. If they beat Philly 'cause they play Philly and affiliate one, philly would be. So actually we cannot be in first place I think I just figured that out for the first time today right am I right about that? The giants play the eagles so if the giants win there too and five, and so even if we wanted to go to and five, they were the the eagles would be one, five and one the cowboys would be too in five. There'd be three way tie. For first place and I think the I don't know the cowboys beat the giant so I don't know how that would work who cares. Let's get your film breakdown from the giant game because it doesn't matter because this is this is an embarrassment of a division I. Think Philly's got the championship pedigree. They've got the quarterback and I at this point, I think they they either the eagles the giants are going to win the Division One of those teams yes. I said at the giants they might win the division. Giants win window vision isn't standard I. Know they get the first win in week six. Let's get your film breakdown from the giant game in start with the quarterback Kyle? Allen. This is a really interesting game. I think. In general wanted to go through a couple place. Before we get to Kyle. I mean normally we'd just get through the plays with Kyle Allen but there's a few plays in a few things that. I. I wanted to talk about and I wanted to start with one that the two point conversion. The two point conversion to got exactly what they wanted given. They run out on both sides. So it's based on law. Oma. All. Not. Good looks to any of the outs but in the middle of the field, it leaves Antonio Gibson one on one with the middle linebacker and he's running an angle route or what a lot of people call Texas. Route. Where he's just really pushing like he's going out towards the flat and then trying to break back in from the face of the linebacker. Gaddi wets the bed on this thing like this is one of those routes where you have to feel the backer start to go over the top you got to convince him that he's got run with you a little bit in that direction to the flat he breaks that route at one yard. I. Mean. I don't even know if he crosses the line of scrimmage before he breaks back into the middle of the field and Allen's now got nowhere to go with it. The problem with this concept is essentially you have out routes working outside of him, all the receivers breaking outwards. So you can't really read that one to to. Write it like if you're going to do this. You got to have back end line throws from your outside receivers like you can have the underneath guys running the five yard outs. But behind him, you train them with N line throws at unless there's a bus like on the right side, it was to speed outs if you want to read. The Texas or running back. Where you going after that? You can't check down out routes on the sidelines. That's pretty easy to me. I just I look at this plant it should have scored. You're talking about a guy who played receiver in college you love him you got the match up you wanted I get it. It's a one man show. It's just he doesn't win. It's not even close to winning and then he sorting if you freeze frame it with two steps from his position from the running back position, you would go. This, this one on one premiere magic. He sort of gets bracketed though Dudley a little bit. I know he doesn't get bracketed. There's a backer coming from way back on the backside, but he's got push the front I think it's who's sitting in the middle fifty four gotta push the frontside backers Martinez Martinez. Has To Push Martinez. Out towards the. Flat. Right. And he doesn't. It's not a good route. It's terrible out. If you're Scott Turner, you're pulling this up with Ron and the coaches meeting the next morning like this we wanted I knew we'd get this down on the two point play granted practice executed. Gibson did a good job there and you know what's his fall? Randy Randy Jordan. I told you tell him push for a debt? Not Birth too early drew my plagues. Kyle and comes off pretty quickly to like he knows that he's going to win. I don't want you coulda done there if you were. Gibson Is, you could bet in felt pressure from the Becker who was not you're not going to break off and then whip back out like at Texas whip. I don't think coolly and we talked about this yesterday and I just know what you think after looking at this play I don't think Alan even if he is super. Decisive Beats Gibb, Jibril peppers to the end zone. Do you. Know. I mean he he did a really good job of plastic plane scrambled drill. There's no way he's going to make that. He's not fast enough. In peppers is really fast. Yet. No, he's. He's. He's GonNa have to make the most incredible run of all time John. elway helicopter in the Super Bowl type run here it's going to have to worry he's GonNa have to Juke them and cut inside of his momentum and somehow. The I don't even know skyler markets in there now. Yeah. I. Totally agree with that. Let's. Let's shut down that conversation. He could not have made it. No matter how decisive he was not gonNa make it running. What else you got in this weather the critical place in this game the sack fumble. Yes down. Sack fumble touchdown. Yes. He actually has right man to man against a corner. Or sorry running a corner. and. If you let's it, go and timing is right starts out of that break. He's going to convert the first down there. Have Better Ball security. But. Man I think he's got shot at right That said, what you see here is a stunt. New. York on Defense? In into the second, there was really not a lot of pressure in this game until really late into the third fourth quarter in the essentially figured out that drunk Christian in West sweitzer could not pass off stunts on that side. So they would slant their defensive end down inside and their tackle outside. In The it was, they couldn't pass it up really they took the D. tackle I in the D. tackle ran through the outside shoulder sweitzer and ran right into drunk Christian in the would loop inside and he free. That was almost the only pressures that the. Giants got did a good job understanding throughout the game that they were gonna get those stunts but What shitty job figuring out between Christians rights are like, how do you want to pass these off because essentially it looks like they're locking man to man and you can't. Impossible, you picked that way. So. That was something they had to figure out. In, we'll get into a one more thought and I'm going to go through this a little bit with the backs. The backs are doing a terrible job pushing to. Push with their track on zone and really vision is pretty average. Some of the run game stuff I thought could have been a lot better. Okay you've said that about Gibson before. Yeah. It's GonNa. It's GONNA consists throughout. Okay So Kyle Allen. As we go through this game. The one thing that I think's going to be paramount for them to get better. Is He is GonNa have to operate better with his play action fakes the run fake is non existent. There are times that you can pause the film on the end zone copy at the Mesh Point with Alan in the back in you, you can't even see the ball. He's not even putting the ball out. And when you freeze any of the run action, play action passes. They're they're not getting anybody nobody's buying it. Nobody is buying. Was Dwayne better with with the. Ball. Handling and faking yes allen. Is this was the Peyton manning film breakdown. He would crucify Allen for. Some, the ball fakes peyton manning was adamant that the. that the play action look identical to the run. It's entirely different. Go through the game with Alan. Early in the game there was a there was a ball that he threw over Terry's head. Looked like it could have been a potential pick. They said, you know late one it's it's terrible fake. To the inside team. Inside a terry. The player right there should've slipped him inside in three Terry's breaking at. Eleven yards on comeback. Terrible deb. That's at just throw the check down. There are two soft. You can't force that thing in there. Are Peo- early in the game I just noted this an Rpo run that was completely stuffed. Just throw the ball the hitch outside. He had an illegal shift penalty. Come on now. QUARTERBACK CAV PENALTY BRIGHT On the wildcat play you exactly actually like the Wildcat Logo Thomas. What made me think it I'm sure it makes everybody. Think now Logan Thomas's quarterback at Virginia Tech. He could throw the ball a little bit. They could definitely do some of the rpo stuff and some of the wildcats stuff like the saints detail. You know he's never really done that in the in the NFL right? It is. He Dat bad. I think it's a nice mix up especially for an offense that struggling with a lot of things. I will tell you this for that struggling to get defensive players to commit to run action. Pass. Logan Thomas. Would make commit. At least for a little while. There's miscommunication in the game where he threw an out route Gandhi golden and then Gandhi golden was running out and up. I think they pulled. Gandhi. Golden. After that play he was also hurt and the game wasn't he? I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I will tell you this if golden was just running the out that gets picked. The course sitting on that the corner actually turns and runs with the outnumber doesn't see the ball. there's a third down at ten on the first drive. Allen really didn't need to flesh right from the pocket. got a deep out in timing. The hits him on his back hip really ends up being a three men rush just too early to lead the pocket a few times especially to what really isn't pressure. we talked the first interception. That's a bad bad throw. Underneath coverages falling into the throat they're falling into everything. It's terrible as far as inman and. Right getting off the ball and getting down the field like you're. You're counting on those guys getting down the field to take deep coverage off of it the safety strap thing to give they're trying to throw fifteen yard in route behind to seems the en route beats both the scenes to the middle of the field. This is laughable. Again, that said that ball cannot be thrown there looking Thomas is running a. Collection Trash Shallow Cross we always called the last guy we need that the trashier the trash route still the trash out there is just dump it underneath you. You don't have to force that he knows that there's no question about that. Will travel the trash out to local Thomas as wide open wide open yeah. What are you didn't do it. On what's going on with? The receivers, some of these routes I know you you pointed out the crossers against his own. But man the spacing is you know I'm a I'm a basketball guy you know. Against Zone defense, you went great spacing one great spacing against Mandy fence. You know the closer you are together, and unless you're setting picks, then it's easier to cover more people with less people. They are always so close to one another. There's two answers to your question. Two possible answers to your question one of them's cracked. One, they don't know how to coach some of the spacing on these routes. Were Turner doesn't understand. The landmarks of where these routes need to end up when you're running that deep. In route, you have the vertical route just inside of it. There's two coaching points if there's two safeties split them. Fast as you can down the middle of the Phil. Boom. Tech. Type. Taken. Bowl. Paul both of them. All. If there's one safety you're running through deep inside shoulder or the opposite shoulder of that safety. But you're not willing across the field you're running directly at his head shoulder. If there's one eighty in the middle of the field in your running clear it out through route, you're not getting the ball. Your job is to take him out and play. They're five times in this game where either right or inman are not even coming close to that angle they're going deep cross over the middle of the field in. That's just the safety just driving on the in route. So, one would be unseen at a lot of times. It would just be. They don't quite understand the. What I would call it the right way to operate this concept. In two would be the receivers are morons. In they're not. Operating. It's one or the other. But it's not good. Okay clearly have spacing problems the they also have some speed problems like on the interception. RIGHT IS JU- king nobody at four yards You gotta go Bro. Trying to clear this thing out. You're running seem it's not one on one with you. In the underneath coverage defender all he's trying to do is you to disrupt timing a little bit. You do not have to put a one-two-three on him and then re establish yourself vertical run. So, there's a couple of answers to that Alan in the second half I thought early you missed a tight window seen through. Versus blitz that blitz came off his right I thought he had a look in there. He ends up scrambling in the gap gets too but really data look there. he had a badness on a third and four. Yeah. They're they're one three and out. Terry maclaurin is running. An in route inside against two men in doesn't damn good job with a double stick in breaks off the trailing defender. And I think he normally Allen's probably seen terry role that in hard in possibly Terry with a trail defender could just rolled in art. But he does a good job. With the little stick top it just changes the timing a little bit the balls early in the low but I think. There's a quarterback you're thinking if he rolls in hard, that's where the ball will be. Now. Here's the dots beyond this. In coryell offense without saunders. You don't double stick at the top of anything down the field you roll speed gut everything. Everything. This is not a Break Him off type route. Once he's in the trump position, you roll it in count on the bobby art supposed to be. I don't know what they're telling. Terry. You because in every other offense down the field. If you get trailed offense or man-to-man defense, you gotta break them off. So. Depends on the system that they're in. The either way Mr Throw. mis-throw to a screen to Logan Thomas on dangerous hydro. That was interesting. Had another screen that was just ugly as sin. The play action inman looks like he's running a reverse fake Allen aborts the reverse fake, but then inman almost runs into him. Yet is that a fly sweet or that was right it? It was eighty three. He was right right almost runs into him like the the action would be physically hand off term fake the reverse. And then dumped screen Allan fixed the hand off against the versus coming bales almost runs into in or a write in it is high to. Gibson. That was one uglier plays the game. We went through the sack fumble which I didn't lose. jotting think was good. Momma third nine. You don't want those resulting touchdowns obviously, not just. One more thing I'm sitting here thinking Oh. I didn't write this down for whatever reason. But there was a boot that he took a sack around the twenty five yard line. To put out of field goal range. Yeah. That was the big sack. That's the Sean, McVeigh? BOOT throwback. Elite. He's looking for right on the leak. The thing is when you have edge pressure that plays over. And is I'm coaching this offense I'm never with Intel they get better running some the stretch stuff and Alan gets better at some of his fakes. Were never going to get the edge player. To crash down the line of scrimmage, he's always going to play the quarterback. Can Run that play? That said on that league play. Just sit Logan Thomas Flat. This is the one that ultimately sets them up for the third in twenty four where they actually get back into field goal range. This is the big. This is the big sack that he takes on the yeah I mean. So what's Your coaching point there? When when, when they read boot clearly and there's nowhere to go and he can't beat him to the edge they've. What does he as ED's pressure? You have to get the ball out. Right? You don't have time to sit there and jerk off. Wait for the League to come all the way across the field because that league starting on the quarterback right? He's booting right and then he's basically acting like he's blocking all the way down the line of scrimmage cutting off, and then he's trying to leak out the backside. It's covered anyways. We once Alan fakes to the left and starts the role and he's got someone out to his right. Dump it. It's Thomas. He's gotTa throw it at his feet 'cause Thomas could get blown up anyway but you know it's interesting. Just a quick point any boot they've tried this year I feel like none of them have worked none of them have fooled anybody with with any of the quarterbacks. I. Don't even think play. And then back, give big don't run. Almost ever zone from under center right? They're under Santa runs our gap style runs. Got It. It's not often that they run that pure under center script zone. They should because they can. They're good enough to do it. They're back struggle with the dolphins of line can get it done. Positives with. Alan. Before we get to some of the the individual plays on this. I. Do think that Alan has some decent pocket presence and I do think he's got a good idea of where to flush move in the pocket right and he's also versatile like you've seen a move left. You've seen a move right? You've seen him step up in the gaps. I don't think he's got a bad field for the pocket. I. Also think he's got a pretty good feel for timing. Then when the ball has to be out. I don't think he's got tremendous arm strength. But. We'll move on from there was one more negative speaking of that. There's play the. Trying to think of when it was in the game, Terry's he ends up trying throw in the cover to hold a Terry McClary tried to sideline catch it on about the two yard line. It's almost picked. God Terry's Wide Open. A, cover to look the safety stays inside. If he just has the arm strength Terry, no-one's can touch him seven yards. throws at short. Cover to corner almost gets into it. Exactly when that wasn't again. Because this is one where you'd look at it and think, oh my gosh, this is so so wide open. I think I know where was. I can't find. It was just an incompletion they were on the around the twenty yard line going I should noted that better. I thought throughout the gaming through some pretty good ause especially underneath. He through. Early in the game. Good. On Corner route to Logan Thomas run action play right didn't get anyone to buy anything Logan Thomas runs in Detari maclaurin hints space this thing out Logan up knocking Terry maclaurin to the ground And somehow he's wide open out there. Giants are watching the film like. seriously. What are you guys doing? The titan knocked the one receiver down. took him out housing that open. Great Ball and a whip route. Terry maclaurin on a third and five good throw leading him away from the defender allows him to turn and run. It looks like Kerry's got extend a little bit more but I liked when the quarterback throws it to where you have to extend the direction or going as long as you're not getting blown up because it repose you out. Consistent throughout the game pretty good. Moving up in the pocket climbing to hit the check down have anything down the field. Good timing are on a hitch to Terry maclaurin as you get through this first half. I thought a lot of their downs. He was awesome he hit. Right on a third nine in the first half that converted. Is a sit leggate yard hook route right into bone it backwards, and then still ends up getting the first down. That's awesome. They're trying to high low that deep in with the sit route. That's a better way of doing it than they normally do to clearing routes and that's a good throw. Good spacing throw on a second seventeen Logan Thomas I. Love I love those second seventeen. Let's dump it six to the tidal inlets evening turn up and get seven or eight. Let's get back into a third nate. Those are those are good droves right there to me. Those are good plays. He ended up on A. Scramble throw. were, Terry's wide open in front of his face. This was the fourth through I was waiting for you to get it to to this. MC. Lawrence. Open right. So why didn't Heathrow there you make a great play to scramble and make a throw on the run inman for the first down and a bigger play. But why didn't he throw it quickly to maclaurin because that's a first down zero idea. I wrote plus laugh is is one of the D., ends just sort of. Maybe in his face a little bit where he does. Was No way he see that. I don't understand how he doesn't see that. That's okay. He made. Everyone in the world's like Cape Moron. Are you looking at But it's complete. So we just he went into baller mode I I think if you look at it from the end zone view. Can't see it. I don't I think he can see it but I, think that there's there's some immediate pressure up the middle and I, think he thinks he's going to have to get out of there quicker than in which is one of the reasons he did. I could be wrong. I mean. I can't imagine that on fourth. Everyone listening knows he knows it's coming right. In any. WE'RE NOT DEBATING This is backyard ball where everybody just go run something. Like. Oh, he's open. He knows it's coming. There is a bit of there's some traffic in his in his face I still. Not? Enough. I don't think all right continue. I don't think that. I don't know I'm I'm pleased that he got it they go down. It's it's an amazing ball in the fade to Logan. Thomas. That was a heck of play. A. Really. Good Ball. I keep writing like good. Get to check down run action play fakes non-existent. into the half, there's a third tooth, really good scramble and he hits Inman to move the sticks. into the second half. Great touch pass on a swing strain to Gibson that he threw overhead Logan Ryan. Great touch through. The third six scrambled that he had the challenge play was huge knowns open there. That's a big team run. The third four later in the game at the great scramble left in. Throat. To write. This was down on the goal line. They didn't get this. They ended up kicking a field goal. He gets out to the left fucking sits there on the goal line. Like Dude, could you come back to more yards to the boss? So we can move the sticks. You don't have to catch a touchdown knows for. Certain four, you're fifteen yards downfield. He wages please run back. Yeah he stops at the goal line and waits for it, and that's why got broken up. By Ryan. MISRA relevant. WAS HE MR relevant who was the other? Guy. Forget. yeah. He he does a terrible job. You're right I. mean he he's gotta come back. He's gotTa come back like Devante Smith for Alabama, comes back for everything I mean dude. That first thing I thought about. When that happened. was. That from Alabama will just run through everything will catch the ball. That was the first thing I thought about from watching the game be Alabama game. On then I thought he was big time on the the last drive. is good throwing a third six, sixty edmund great throw and scrambled and again on third and two I thought it was pretty good. Throw in a corner out to Logan Thomas that slogan Ryan ended up picking her bradberry will but it was out of bounds because Thomas tipped it. High He's got to come down with that Baldo. Huge throw on dig route on third down to Terry maclaurin an awesome job on the touchdown to Sims. It's a really good jet like consider. Here's what I'd say for Alan. First and second now plays not awesome. Some Round Action Steph not awesome. DID MISS A couple of throws in this game made a couple of bad decisions in this game but essentially in a lot of third downs came up big in move the sticks. Moved in the pocket. was. Pretty good with his is found open receivers made enough plays to move the sticks on third down. This was no dynamic offense that we're talking about here in this game like this was just good enough to score. Twenty points not nineteen twenty points. At a chance. With the play they wanted in the two point. Conversion. He ends up thirty one of forty two, which is seventy, almost seventy, four, percent, two, hundred, eighty yards. Some. Of It was on some easy stuff but a lot of the throws were good throws down the field. He's going to continue to get better or any needs to continue to get better. It's a C plus grade for Cala. A lot left out there, and I think that there could be a lot more created by the quarterback. But. It's interesting. Because some of the third downs you like he did make some place. Let's get to the skill position players right after tell you about my book. Dot, AG, world, series starts tonight opportunity. 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Before we really get to Terry. have to find more ways to get him the ball in the intermediate range. I I don't know exactly what the answer is to that because you've got to other receivers who really just. Just. Not. Any, you don't have that tight end that can really create for you in. So you're looking at it like. I. But they gotta find ways to get Terry. Maurice. Exceptions. I don't even I don't even mind some of the the slip screens in bubbles to to maclaurin. You only had one in this game and that was that third and twenty four. I, just like the ball in his hands. Like. Ten Times in every single game. Right. I do think that they have an idea that they need to get the ball to Terry I think that that is clear. But they just haven't found in the forties. Here's a for example, we haven't run one fly sweep to Terry, no. Now, they use other guys for that or they use other guys in the action for that. But who's the best the ball in their hands out of any of the receivers I would imagine he is I mean unless it Steven Sims, but he's not available right now. Right. Positives from coral. Throughout the game like the whip out on third and five. Turn it. Up. Field get divers next seven yards big a hitch route on a second ten. Good cat spin back outside the Sadler we're supposed to go get a first down second ten. The tunnel screen on the third in law. was like third and twenty third and twenty four. Yeah. He gets twenty yards off of that twenty. And moves him into as we would call it now Hopkins Range, which is inside forty. had another tunnel screen on a third and to had actually two more tunnels fans in Game I. Think but a third and two that he ends up moving the sticks on. And then I I talked about this. Third four were. Alad misses him down in the middle of the field is really great route like if you WANNA show a double stick down the field that doesn't truly disrupt the timing because Terry doesn't really slow this down, it's just one two three. Like a good stick is. Plant, he's going to break left supplant stick your left foot hard to stick your right foot and go. Wouldn't work routes? Sticky right-foot. Pretty hard to really stick your left foot and then sticky right foot and go. It's a really a double stick. It really is on the field it's timing works he breaks off the defender. alshon wouldn't approve. Now. Sanders were to blame that on Terry. One hundred percent would blame that. Ontario. But at the same time would have coached adamantly that you never do that. Kyle, it did take a big hit on that. Play a huge it. West, Weizer. DRAWN CHRISTIAN MR stunt. Again. Then, he made a big catch on the last drive on third down over the middle of the field didn't double stick that one. just a couple of things think about. With with Terry on the negatives. One. The first play the game. Actually wanted to go through the first play the game. So run action. Pass. I talked about all the rams last week in defensive field breakdown run these Whitley called read routes. In your attacking vertical between the numbers in the Hash. More towards the middle of the field to see if you can get over the top of the safety in the middle of the field or bowl safeties if they there if you can't, you're sitting Matt thing down at about eighteen yards in between the numbers and the half. Terry. Really. Runs this more up the numbers. And in doing that will sitting down he doesn't. Really, make the safety up to safe to that to that side make a decision they have Logan Thomas coming on a wheel route behind it. So He'd motion over then he's GonNa Wheel and sneak up the sideline. You'd love Terry do attack more towards the middle of the field. So that to safety really starts to go with him and then Logan. Thomas, slips behind the wheel route. Is just not good spacing again. So do you think kyle. Alan made the right decision to hit the check down immediately no other that. Yeah. There was no other decision to be made there. I think that's also got to be hard for quarterback. Consistently wondering if the space is going to be right on some stuff, right? because. It means more defenders in the area in a potential pick. Right. They're not worth they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there. The. Early in the game, there's comeback that. Calendar over his head and I think it was a good job by Kyle. I get least not thrown pick realizing that there was going to be under the coverage. CARRIES GOT RUN THAT COMEBACK DEEPER I highly doubt that that's coached. Fourteen yard comeback I've I've never seen it coats that we're now I'm not saying it couldn't be. But he starts breaking that route down. At ten maybe eleven you can definitively say that he's GonNa run a comeback. You gotta put especially zone coverage like he had. He's got push that to where he's setting that down starting to break it fifteen. That way. The cover to corner can't fall off into that. Just some some. Basic? yardage issues on some of those routes, and then the other one I thought was nibbling wasn't it didn't end up being a big deal but the run action pass to Logan Thomas City on the little corner out rights. I'm. Not. Tears running a scene from the slot. Receiver. He slips inside the DB. He runs directly into Logan, Thomas at least they both don't fall down. Great, balance Thomas. But. I think he just got a fly on that thing man. You just gotTa go. Yeah I. Mean it's Really I mean that that plays hard to watch like it just goes to something's not right on some of these. You hit on the crossing routes again zone, not sitting him down and then running right into a player that's playing their part of the zone. It's insane like I again I always think about it from a basketball standpoint against two three zone. You'RE NOT GONNA. Have a guy flashed to the middle and then continue to move into an area players. He's GonNa find the whole and he's going to sit down and he's going to be there as an open player and in this particular play that you've already hit on a couple of times I mean literally they're so tight with one of the the Logan Thomas so lucky he didn't fall down to. And if he falls down, it's probably Alan getting sacked at the five yard line. Exactly what it is or dumping it off to the back on check down. It's just consistently shows up I'm. GonNa go through the rest of these players in its I mean we're just gonNA keep talking about it. Because it keeps throw showing up that. The receivers are not where they're supposed to be. There're plays that I wrote down like I'm not sure what this concept is. I mean there was nobody better than North Scheming people opened north does not like what he sees right now receivers. Party was. Happy, with son. I'm not saying he's not happy with Sun but. He didn't like what he saw. Terry Terry was named minus in this game I still I think Terry really I'm really impressed with Terry. I mean went there couple things but. GET TO INMAN Renting a pitcher out from inside the spacing concepts of three guys are sitting down hitches about six, five, six yards. He's running it at seven yards turning around looking lost, and it's like I don't even know snow's he's. Constant Inability. To attack the inside shoulder safety on these vertical clearing routes I'm not even I didn't downgrade him for it because I don't even know if that's other coaching. I better go back and look at some of the Carolinas stuff on some of these deep dagger because they ran a lot of them. It's almost like I need to do that see more of coaching. there's a draw play a game where he had pressure from the nickel, crossed his face in ends up blowing it up. In, its tackle for loss, he's two yards displaced from the line of scrimmage. He's got. Is Right foot up? He's on the right side is right foot's up. Is left with his left foot than crosses behind his right foot almost. The full foot and he's completely crossed up under himself. In the Backfield? that would be the only run play at effort for him. There's some other good place in the run game that he had and then poor initial stem on a lot of his vertical routes needs to slow down the field. You WanNa be a vertical team. Go Watch. Kansas City. Go. We're not that slow. Okay. Like our guys aren't that there's no way. I. Bet you didn't run worse than a four five. I. Bet you right ran a four five. If not better. It's not like Kansas. City's guys all run for one, four, two for. They're not all four three. He just go. They fly down the field. We're, slow down the field. We get hemmed up with underneath coverage. We tried to make weird adjustments to. Its zone have underneath covered run the fuck by the Guy Just. One by is just GONNA put his hand on you a little bit. He's not gonNA press you. Positives Freeman well, not only that you can force people to put their hands on you in drama penalties or not. They don't they just all their their coats to reroute and play zone, avoid shoulder down and run. In. Four catches on third down. Yeah. He did and the fourth down catch. The fourth down catch was absolutely massive. The. Little swing screen to ban Tonio. Gibson the one with the left on the ball great knockdown block on that play. Yeah, it was real. It's really interesting watching. Talk. About Allen and then talking about inman. Zero impact in a positive way in the game other than one rpo catch on an out route in first and second down situations but made four five plays on third downs to move the sticks. And on fourth down on fourth down work done that should have gone to maclaurin. Inland was be. Too early to bend to the middle of the field on a vertical route, no establish width or any stem. Completely, disrupt spacing he's out there running things. Early. In the game on a run play there in a bunch set, they run to that side both Gandhi golden and write run right past the corner or the nickel guy who's at the line of scrimmage and both of them bypass to get to the safety. Like. One of you two need to blocking. I'm not sure how you decided. You were going to do it but. You didn't communicate that at all. third down situation early in the game no urgency coming out of a break on an out route. The short out really has to break out hard and run to force coverage to make a decision. He's just Willy Nilly out there. GonNa, whip, and shoulder around. Outbreak. We talked about. The. Interception. pull up that interception an watch, right? It just you. Just, I'M NOT GONNA go through this run they'll chatter defeat. there's a tunnel screen to Terry early in the game. Will the big one to Terry. He's doesn't know who is blocking and then he doesn't stay the block on the guy that he gets on. There's another missile, the run play he's on the backside of inside dive play in flying down into the middle of the box to block a linebacker, the lines accounted for. Receivers don't ever block linebackers in the run game unless it's that cracked kind of play. Like three or four missed assignments in this game. You just there's on the interception you'd you want Inman to really move GotTa beat the. In. Breaking on an en route in. He's In he's seven yards into the middle of the field after his broke. On between the numbers, the Hash, it still hasn't right still hasn't gotten that far vertical. Yeah. You. Learn. It. Out. Row. Yeah, you got around I. Mean you know he's clearing out because he never even you know like this one of the things I've got a I've got a question for you. When receivers have zero in the play call have zero opportunity. They believed to catch the football and their job is to clear out his safety or clear out a side of the field. It's it's interesting like I'm watching right here. He never even looks back like. Think these. What's The coaching they're like okay you're not in this play you're not going to get the ball, but there's always a chance of play breaks down the quarterbacks running around and you've got you know he's an eligible receiver even though he's not going to be targeted on this plane he's got a responsibility which he clearly does not fulfill on this play. But when is it that they're supposed to look back and maybe become an eligible receiver? Running a vertical route like that at about fourteen yards. At least sell it you might. You might get it. It's an interesting debate because as a coach, you liked to tell receivers when or when they're not viable. If he's running that vertical route in, he had to high safeties, he's really viable. You try to press hard up the field and you're running a surreal skinny almost post on the inside in front of safety on your side, you're trying to get down the middle of the fill your. Your Bible. You see a single high safety there. Honestly, it's not dead with a single high safety because. On the next guy inside that place running across her that's inman but images running like a real cross crosser like he's crossing the field so he wouldn't hold anything. So I'm not really sure what men's doing I'm not sure what any of them are doing but the thing is like, do I tell this guy when he could get the ball? Not Because if I tell him too high, you can get he's really gonna run tell them single is dead he'd probably just GonNa love it out there. Yeah. I'd tell you just telling to run man you got to fly at least I don't feel bad on sale at least he turned around to notice that the ball got intercepted he started chasing down. bradberry. maclaurin tackled him anyway. All right. What about right at a screen? Little Tunnel screen outside where he gets knocked down by Brandon Sheriff. Can't find a better lane. Yet mcclay there. It's not that poorly blocked. To your. Game. We mentioned the third down in four down by the goal line. He's actually the deep guy that Allen scrambles out to on the left side of the field. You can't you have to attack the ball. We like to wait on these balls don't get it. Don't catch it out in front with your hands front. We always did all these drills I. I'm sure they do and I. Honestly, we made them fun games where you had to. Kevin you. You'd be the quarterback you're standing it fifteen yards and I'm just going to sprint toward you and you're going to throw it at me but I can't stop one through the ball and catch come meet the pass. Bounce pass chest pass can meet it. Don't wait for it and it wasn't even when we did it wasn't even turning catch like run back the other way of sprint through. Talking about highschool drills here. You got to go get that ball the positives. A whip route on the last drive. Pretty good. The sack fumble touchdown, he had a great route Versus the I thought he separated. Thirty nine. I think in the first half he sat down on the deep sit. That's the one where he lost a little ground. You're just turn up in your shadow. I love all the same for that. Get North South. East West. Got The first down I don't care at that point. He's Zone run play that he blocked the frontside edge with drunk Russian got up. To the second level is pretty cool. mcvay style. Where they put him right next to the tackle and helped on the double team. Angle the second level. Is A D. minus. Gani golden was A. D., in this game, he didn't play a lot I think Gandhi goldens lost and he got well, he got injured scheme. He doesn't I still just I think Gandhi Goldens lost out there. What about Camp Simms? Really good seven plays touchdown A. Great Outing uh give him a chance. He's a big dude. Are you are you being sarcastic or series? We played seven place made the play the game. It was a great route. Got Corner abide on the out. Awesome route. Good play. I think that's it on the receivers to move to. Here's what I wrote down with Gandhi Golden. Oh. Actually that's not it on right With, a minute twenty left in the game right broke a tackle and then decided not to get out of bounds but to cut it back upfield again, we didn't learn our lesson from the end of the half last week. Right went over on the left side and a flat breaks a tackle and then cuts back inside. Timeout. About. Down, Gandhi Golden. Arms flailing at the top of his routes where over extended out of position to make the break. Did, they have one really good sustained block on crack on factual on a toss play. I just I'm not I haven't seen anything from Gandhi golden to show me anything right now. At this point you would be Sam. In before Gandhi goal. Slogan Thomas. I thought played really well yeah. I was GONNA. Say That I think this is going to be your best grade for him. I thought he was actually pretty good in the run game. Good kick out. On a linebacker out in space are cornerstones based on the play the one I mentioned with Gandhi gold. Great job running through traffic to make a catch on that run action corner knocked his own guy down get the fuck out of my way I'm going to catch this ball. This was mind Terry You get eleven targets every game. Get down. Did a good job, a little inside zone play where he's leading to the middle linebacker sift in from the back side getting up the field. Zone with a man concept by the tight end. Good contact physical. Really, job finding someone blocking the tunnel screen. The third long Detari Logo Thomas Almost makes that play. Means getting out there, and you almost have a number scout with DB's when you have those tunnels screenplays and he's like wool right? Who Are you? I guess I'll go find somebody else. Right you're wrong. Did takeout blocks in sustain on a couple of one bounce all the way behind him he stayed on his black grew the entire time. Awesome awesome job on the fade touchdown play. One or two times man to man did not fully sustain blocks but was more square on his blocks US better hands this week than I've seen so far at the land scrimmage this week. And then I thought dropped a tough ball in last drive on the corner out he wants to come down with that ball. You can say tough catch all you want to say tough catch, but we this is the NFL. Make tough catches. It hit both hands. But I thought Thomas was pretty good. He's still a guy that gets up too much of the line of scrimmage. He's a guy that when you press struggles to separate a little bit. But ultimately you know. He's by far their best options best option was targeted. Four Times had three receptions really had a drop in my opinion I thought Logan Thomas was a B. Plus. Best. Great. I. Think for him. All your. Yeah, there might have been one game that he was actually pretty good. The other two tight ends didn't play a whole hell of a lot. What did they end up? How many? Hemingway had ten sprinkle had eleven. Neither. Were big impact on this game. I did write one note. Almost similar to a note I wrote from spring last week for Hemingway. There's A. Outside zone play to the. Right side. The safety peppers walks up inside of hemingway off the ball. Which means Hemingway has a outside linebacker on the outside side of him. If the safety walks inside of him in there's nobody else outside besides the backer. That guy is going to run to the sideline. When you step in start to block him the more you try to put your helmet on his outside shoulder the more he will go to keep his out outside shoulder free. Dislike. When, you get zone run place as a tight end. In you see that. You're outside linebacker definitively has the D. gap. In that's easy. Because peppers the safety walk inside, which means he going GONNA play the gap instead of you it's like heaven. Like I'll kick US guys asking will run to the sideline and even if I don't, we'll extend him seven yards and he'll be out of the play. Takes one step and turned his ass in the hall, and then the Linebacker can push back into the play. He's young, but these are just things when you coaching outside zone as tight ends coach, you gotTa have them aware of what? You WanNa. Do the really hard way or do you WanNa do the really easy way? The real easy way is a good way to. It's just attacking the responsibilities. You gave Hemingway a check last week didn't give them a great game a check. Yeah Hemingway was minus skinny sprinkle I mean last week you were pretty hard was the sprinkles a C. minus in this game. Running backs I'm I can't. I really struggle when I watched spring because I, still see potential in. Right I know what? He's going through right now with the guy that's. -pletely underused. With the guy that's I think been stripped of a lot of his confidence as a player. You know sprinkle is actually really good block out of Arkansas. was. The one thing he was a technique blocker at Arkansas I thought he had a lot to him. He's lost some of that and obviously I think spring could improve a ton in the past game. I talked to sprinkle last and I think one of the things that was hard for him. He didn't say this but one are the things that I think was hard for sprinkle was that he played with Jordan Reed in Vernon Davis. And as a tight end, you can't do either the things that those to do. So how'd you learn to be you as a route run? He's in a room or watch two guys who do things definitively different than he does. Now he's through his third tight end coach in three years. I thought he was coach very poorly last year. That dude's name. His name Easing Carolina No. I do I can't think of it right now he's in Carolina's the titans coach now. What's his name? I forget to. His fifth team in five years and keeps getting jobs. Angelique O.. Rien ANGELICO. Those items. Who did he play for? I'm not even sure if he played high school football. A really I think he was like a lifetime want to be a co no playing career nineteen, ninety, one to ninety four Saint Lawrence University. What did he play? Outside linebacker. He was also a team captain on the baseball team at Saint Lawrence. BLASIO. He's I don't want a dog angelique cody more. Okay. He doesn't look like he ever played football in his life though. I running backs on what Gibson. Make is really easy on Gibson. He's a downhill can run dive between the tackles. Bulgaria can run physically. He has bad vision. and. He has bad initial track right now I think he left a lot on the table as far as some opportunities predetermining cuts doesn't see certain would I would call wide open holes Clinton always said like can never question backs vision while I'm definitely going to question right now. I wrote vision in general. The two point conversion. Not Goodness. Now, he made a couple of plays in this game. We had. He's okay when it gets the ball and he gets out in space a little bit. But right now I think that. He might want to consider even Peyton barber more. As a back. Why not use Gibson receive replayed received a lot of receiver at Memphis I. think There's definitely a better way to use Gibson right now I'm not suggesting in any way that I don't want Gibson on the field I think that there's a lot they could do to back sets. There's a lot of that in A. Dive stuff that he could be really really good at but you gotta simplify the run scheme for him. He seen too much. You'RE GONNA make him zone back or you're GONNA make him your gap back or I mean. It's it's hard. You don't necessarily want to do that. If there's if you're a lot of one back backfield's. He's just not good enough in some zone runs. In Barber to that extent to conduct a better job of pushing the front side but it Barbara better as a back as a ball carrying back. I'm not saying that that gives them can't get better but I'm saying that you might want to limit the some of the. That he's running. Blitz pickup off the edge had a quarterback yet. Although we did have one's own cutback around that. I wrote Liddy almost broke a tackle to get ten ended up being a couple yards I personally I thought Gibson left. Three or four yards per carry average out there on the field. He was Almost game. mckissick. Like him mckissick is really got a knack for getting extra yards after the catch. Yip. He. Does there's definitely something to mckissick where you're like. Mr this dude got some stuff going on like. As a receiver, very, very talented by the way that last route that two point that would have been kissing all day baby all day, Gibson? there was a play that I highlighted in this game. It's the third drive of the game on offense. It comes after. A throwaway on a boot. It's a second ten zone run. It's almost clinic on the front side. Morgan. Moses has a dominating frontside. Reach block in is really takes backroll eight yards out of the play. There's a good double team with sheriff. And with yet with really good movement. Ended up stunting. And the safety comes down in the box. West Weizer tracks backer backslidings shouldn't he should continue go frontside but God mckissick there's no reason to not continue to push this all the way to the frontside. It's there. There's no reason that he can't get outside and. I highlighted this play because if he can get to the edge with the dominating block like Moses ad or at least push that four more yards to the far side towards the sideline before he cuts. Your play action will work. Brignone he breaks a tackle I mean just it completely runs through. A tackle. You're saying that you five yard run play but I just think the domination am I looking at the right play? Is. Second ten the place where he gains fourteen yards and breaks a tackle. I don't think so because the next place at third and five. The third drive of the game. Okay Yeah. I'm on I'm on the run play my fault. No worries. I just I. It just to me is indicative of team who doesn't quite know how to run zone and in in two reasons one. The true concept of the zone is to get to the edge if you can get to the edge, right And it was the biggest luxury when Trent Williams was playing here. that. Without a tight end on his side to the weak side, you could still get to the edge because he could eat up that player that. Most tackles can't do it. Moses did Aaron Moses actually getting better at it in doing pretty good Jesse you want you want him he turns it up quickly you want him to press press press and in cut it inside Moses. Or if he can bounce it outside Moses, take it outside but either either way he needs to push that much more I. Really shouldn't be a reason to cut back. To play safety peppers comes down and actually I thought Roue did a really good job. Within the play deciding that tappers was his guy on the double team and climb up to peppers on the front side. The backer in the middle of filled is on a stunt loops all the way to the backside. Now Point be of this is you'd love you'd never alignment tidende anyone turn back on zone. Once they look behind you they're out of the play it is over for that dot it. So someone's looping behind you sweitzer then turns and looks back for forty eight. Now that was his initial guy but he turns and looks back man if he climbs to that next backer that cutbacks still ends up being pretty good. But it's like we got to understand how these plays really work can really operate on these place. It's zone. So. Although you could have a double team to someone you're pushing zone to a direction. They play behind it that doomed. mckissick was be plus in this bogging at a couple of good runs you talked about the fourteen. Yard Jerry. Had Some Good place after the catch I do I really liked mckissick. They'd Barbara didn't play much in this game. Did have a what was the third and to run? We got the first down. Or the Fourth Down Right Yeah the fourth. Down the one they went for on fourth down, right? Right? Yeah. He ended up getting ideally that was zone play where he started in gun to the right and you'd like him to push all the way left like go. You could stretch that play, but it's four fourth tuning doing data does get it I'm vinyl that. That that I'm completely final. So Those are your skilled players essentially recapping. I thought Terry maclaurin was an a minus. INMAN was a be at that. Right was a D. minus. I didn't Great Gani Golden but I think he's a little bit lost right now. As far as the tight ends Logan Thomas I've really thought played his most complete game as a player. He was a B. Plus. Gibson. Was a C. mckissick was a B. Plus. Offensive Line in. Let's wrap it up. Offensive Line it's hysterical to me because every time I do this film breakdown I spent more time writing notes on the offensive line in the offensive line's last, and then we just essentially grade the essence of. Like I should almost like. Put the notes to this in a blog comment not actually. Can I can I can tell you something I tried something a little different here as far as the way the notes. Just to see if I could make it faster because normally you like make everyone a single spot. So I just went I. I've noticed play by play by play by play then I tried to filter it out Mike, I'd cut and paste like every seventy one point. Seven one good initial block downfield no. Sustain on a fourth. To cut and paste everything. was. Funny how it's been seven years and I'm still trying to find better ways to right now you're never satisfied with ways that work which is. The ultimate grade process of mine I'm just glad we got letter grades this year and we're not you know we're not forcing people to take advanced Algebra to figure out what somebody got. All right. Let's get to the offensive line Morgan. This was the best offensive Lineman in this game I thought he was very impactful in the run game had some good movement plays was good on double teams with Brandon, sheriff. Dot The second level I think he was playing with good leverage I don't know mortgage Moses gave up one pressure in this bogging there was once or twice where there looked like there was an edge pressure but I think those were backs that were supposed to come and pick up that ED pressure because you can see more Morgan almost glance adding not no I trust the backs going to be there. He was really consistent in this game he has been highest graded offensive lineman all year you'll be the highest offensive lineman greater today he was a B. Plus in this ball game. BRANDON SHERIFF MAKES HIS RETURN TO The field in. The game that I did not think that he played very well some of the positives brandon does get movement big time. He's got a violent streak to him. He's got some nasty stuff to he'll finish late in place there's a place for. Avenue to block just goes in knocks the crap out of the dude over Moses on a pass a clean pocket that loved that though. I loved that. When sheriff is doing that stuff Played. High in the run game. And he got thrown down four or five times in the middle of the field. Didn't have great moving movement throughout the game. Now, there are a couple that we've talked about that. He did. But? I thought was really average for. The type of run blocker. That he could be. He to me he's that physical dude that just. GotTa be better. Like double teams withdrew barely punch on a double team to not really put him on me and then immediately dawn like knock the shit out of that dude before you WanNa take care of the first level or second level. I levels obviously going to be important routier's going to need help against these big ass dudes in the middle. Give him some more help on some of these things you know. Like him as a straight downhill guy at times he's an okay stretch type run player in this game but essentially to way too many minuses in this ball game to have a good great brandon cheer for the seat. He wasn't okay. Pass Protector. Before. I move onto I did leave out one note with Morgan Moses on the negative side of it. There's a toss play were mckissick. I. Think that's the only ran through. It gets like fourteen yards. Mortgage does a great job. He's toluene he's out he downfield he's tracking. And then he gets on the DB is the free safety twenty free safety. What's again remember him he gets thrown down by the free safety of come on dude. You're not gonNA, get left a free safety throw you to the ground in ways honored ninety pounds or two hundred pounds your three forty. Didn't. Really. Kill the play. Roue? One on one in some place pushed too far in the backfield. He's too much of a position blocker. Has the power to come off and be a dominant takeover guys type of blocker I've seen him do it but more times than not he's giving up too many. Penetration type plays in to me some of the predetermined cutbacks because they see initial color overrule Ya gotta cut up behind Ruia. You don't he's still gonNA stay with the dude, but he's getting back into the backfield a couple yards, and I think that's one of the struggles that they're having some of the run stuff. If they're going to run the zone place, you gotta give a more help especially when he's out leveraged with what they call a shade on either side. So someone's over his shoulder essentially not head up but over shoulder I think that they're going to have to give him more help. In more of those run type situations or at least obviously there coaching it to help. But you've. Got Got to punch in actually turn the guy's shoulder so you put him onto. Reay in this bogging. gave up one pressure on a run action pass where he's pulling it's a pressure off the edge. He doesn't see it ends up being free. They have pulling on the run action pass any doesn't really see it. was pretty good in some of the downhill stuff especially when he was working with sheriff like the dive duo staff is okay as a gap scheme blocker where he's just essentially get a turn the guy that really was a see in this ball game west Sweitzer is better on the right side clearly than he is on the left side, we went through this with the stunts really causing problems for him. Second Ball game, they're going to cause problems for him the rest of the season. At, left guard if he doesn't start picking it up employing them and in every known passageways and I'm GonNa start stunning on his side just to handle it like I'll give him a couple hard outside Russia's with that D. tackle the tackled the end will luke, and then after that following everything with stunts are not fast enough in he is turning his ass in his shoulders too far to the outside to ever have a chance to come back and pick up some of those outlets. Allows one game. Well maybe we maybe a few weeks. It'll be city. Charles back in. That's button. Played to place in this ball game guess. Yeah no everyone loves to Charles. I I do like the physicality that sweitzer bleed brings to the game. Sure. I love when the pull amenities kicking guys out. I. Think he's got violence to him. I think he's going to get better as a polar as he's turning up the field. There's A. Power player look we always called the pop which was one back power. So down down, guard will like he gets stuck on the double team with sheriff like he bangs in the sheriff you're like to get a little debt in turn that corner in go knock the crap is a linebacker guards is supposed to love that stuff, but you run into your own guy. You're not good. Their shitty potent. You GotTa know the backer counting go don't get don't get up on the WTI. Schweitzer he's one of those guys that some of his positives really flashed. But again, throughout this game, I had some missed assignments at some missed targets to backers on some of the run plays turn back on things that he didn't need to turn back on the run game an struggled tremendously in the. Stunt game in past protections. he was a deep less. He is okay with one on one pass protections. Drunk Christian. Again on that left side when they had one on one looks. where it's widespread, the in Christian had a golden they were locked down the protection. A lot of this game was actually pretty good. This done stuff's hard for Christian to. One thing I did note between both of them in this is another problem with the run action pass. They're not selling run. It's another thing by that. I noted with Gibson he's not selling run his run fix are terrible. The ball. One of the run action passes immediately snap. Schweitzer puts both hands out to either side like knowns coming to either side. Nobody ever does that ever in the history of football, it's a run. If you want a key run past what's West Weizer, he'll tell you. Every time. You're so good at picking up the tells. So? That's something that they're going to have to. Adjust to with sweitzer his look dude, if you miss you miss. But, you gotta understand if it looks like running, they think it's running your blocking run. They'RE GONNA play run for I. Okay back to drunk Chris. There's You like him. I don't think he's a backup. Okay. I actually, I think he's better than people thought he was going to be. He's actually not doing as poorly. In, pass protection especially in one on one situations, the thing that I would say in it again, it occurs in this game is as the game progresses, his past sets get worse in every game. So, as games progress in, he gets into the third quarter he starts opening his hips too much in that I'm saying like ads is at the quarterback on his third slide. You Still WanNa stay square no one has asked is looking at the quarterback there's no way he can turn back to pick up those stunts. So. It's some technique in his set is well, that's that's really hurting him. In some of those situations. He's okay in the run game like he's okay in in this game, he's just okay in the run game, he's not a power type blocker in. That's one thing he'd love with some zone stuff is for him to be able to attack when the weak side with his side he's not even physical enough. If you put a tight end that they're going to get big time movement on. Defense van with the double team. So It's like I sit here. Now I love zone, but I gotTa have a tackle tight end who can do it really stretch the edge I thought Drunk Krishan was a C. minus in this game. So your offensive line Morgan Moses was a B. Plus share for this was a c Roya was a C. West. Sweitzer was a d drunk. Christian was a juicy more Jersey plus Yet the highest grade players, maclaurin a minus, and then you had Moses Thomas mckissick all as B. Pluses you said Cam Sims in his seven snaps was a so we'll keep him in there and then for those that are just tuning in late in the show, it's a podcast Kevin into podcasting. Go back and listen to it Kyle Allen a C. Plus coolio. Have his defensive film breakdown tomorrow I'm going to leave you with one thought Cooley and that is go back and watch the touchdown pass to camp. Simms. That should have been delay of game that place should not have counted and I know that they gave him a beat after the clock kit zero that's a that's that's not only a beat that's a beat and a half. That looked like. It was delay of game to me. I forgot to mention that go by. The actual game to see that you don't see that on film. All right. Good Job Back Tomorrow Khalil Defensive Film breakdown have a great day.

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Rivera's "Cut-Off Point" + Cooley Film

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Rivera's "Cut-Off Point" + Cooley Film

"Tommy standing by for a little sports, fix Tuesday and then coolly will have his offensive film breakdown. So a busy Tuesday program here on a Kevin Sheehan show podcast with friends. Actually that'd be nice name to the podcast before we get started visa knows that local businesses are the heartbeat of our communities whether there are corner stores or coffee spots or our favorite shops. Local businesses have always been there for us. They remember our orders, they call us by name always giving. Back making a difference and going that extra mile to support us and our community and right now more than ever local businesses need our support sir. Now it's time for us to return the favor. The next time you go shopping, make the choice to shop at local businesses and look for the contactless symbol and tap to pay with contactless visa to help support your community because where and how you shop matters visa everywhere, you want to be official partner of the NFL. Don't want it. You don't meet it. But you're. GonNa get it anyway the Kevin Sheehan show. He is Kevin. A Sports Tuesday with Tommy from the fortress of solitude in Frederick Cooley will join us a little bit later on with his offensive film breakdown and we will try to motor through it. I'm hearing a lots of feedback time. You know when you do a lot of stuff you do and I've been doing you get a lot of feedback. Don't you lot of experts out there a lot of people that want to produce shows for you and edit columns for you. And and a lot of it in all honesty is very much appreciated, and in fact, just so everybody knows those that have recommended recommended clean feed instead of zoom, we are going to try that next zooms been inconsistent Tommy. Actually think you on the phones been better than you on zoom, but we're going to try clean feed and several getting to the. Point that I was going to make several people have said look There's nothing better than Tommy in Cooley combined on one show but we gotta shorten it up a little bit two and a half hours along show and I will concede that point two and a half points of applied two and a half hours of podcast is like a four hour radio show. With it when you consider all the spots but as good day to you, you're a little unperturbed with me this morning. Aren't you? Well I ask you again. If you read my column about The Washington football game on Sunday and and you gave it a song and dance that you couldn't read it because it wouldn't like you to you had to pay for it. If you'd waited in written this column on October I I'd be clear but I have already used up all of my Washington Times three columns and stories all on your columns by the way except for that one time they that I made the mistake between your column and Matt Paris's story and I could first of. All you didn't believe me. Okay. Let's start there. You didn't believe me that I had to pay for it. So I had to take a picture of the pop up you know annual digital subscription page. It says you've already reached your limit and I don't send it to me fine. I believe you but you really didn't believe me until I sent the picture and now you do believe me and yes, it's very inexpensive and this I mean you can afford this. It's not I want to point out in your business instincts stick doctrinal. Yes tax tax deductions are all the rage right now buddy they are. They are all the rash today are you looking forward to tonight? Now I don't like the debates anyway I never watched any of the democratic debates this year because they're all train wrecks I mean, it's not what debates used to be nobody is actually trying to find out something. To learn about each candidate's and basically trying to catch the other candidates in their gotcha moment for the sound bites and tonight in particular. Everybody I. Assume it's pretty much made up their mind about what they're gonNA do on November third at this point you think. I don't understand. At least on on Biden side, you're not going to change anybody's view. You might change some views on the other side but I, mean at this point I, think people I think the only reason to watch is further train wreck and I'll watch because you know because I will but I'm not looking forward to it. What I think is what I think would be wondering the things that could have predicted a fistfight on stage did that a couple of weeks ago on the podcast I still think that's possible if trump does that little circle around the back routine that he Did with Hillary. Yeah. Yeah. She should turn around and slapped him she really good that was that was uncalled for that was aggressive in you know I remember thinking in the moment because I think bill was in the building that night and I was thinking you know if that were my wife now. My wife wouldn't be running for president and maybe part of why they didn't do anything. She's got a handle that on her own if she's going to be president but I think I'd have gone up there and clocked him had that been my wife? Around, threatening. Cell he does sat against a Biden. An Irish Catholic from CBS Temper right. Tommy. I do want to ask you to spend a lot of time in this. I'm actually very much looking forward to watching I. Would I would disagree with you because I? Do think there is an As per usual, there's an undecided part of the electorate and I think these debates actually may may influence these undecideds like no other debates in the history of our general election years. But with that said, you made a comment that the debates just aren't what they used to be. What did they used to be did they used to be truly informative? Did we really get all of the positions where the questions fairly asked rather than an opinion made you know in the in the midst of questioning what what did they used to be like well, you know it. It's part of television. Now it's part of our culture. It's a personality culture. And the debates are now about personality. More than anything else. Now you know I mean to be fair the nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty debate between. X and was supposedly decided on Nixon's five o'clock shadow and how scary he looked on television well, it was more than his five o'clock shadow was that he wore a light suit which made him look sickly in the first televised debate in presidential debate history while Kennedy was in a darker suit and look sharp, you don't wear. Light Colors on TV and that was a big mistake. You just made the case at the very first debate in history was based on something that had nothing to do with their positions on issues. I know, and this may be in this style gic point of view. It's just they've just become more of A. Personality driven I. Mean You know I mean. If. You're undecided now. You are stupider than the people who are going to vote for this guy. I'm telling you if you're undecided. You might be some stupid as people on her. Yeah, I. Don't I don't agree with that at all. I would agree with that. If we had a clear cut option wasn't also a problem but I am looking forward to tonight though I. Think it's GonNa be. Wildly entertaining and you may be right I. Think it's I don't know about fists being thrown I. Think it's going to be very confrontational very confrontational least. That's what I'm hoping for Anyway, Let me get to Tommy right after I. Tell You about Pepsi because Tommy and I are perfect examples of people who watch sports, but don't play them at a professional level, and that's who patsy really appeals to passionate. 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Send it to me. I mean the whole the whole game was Twain Haskins. You know four turnovers out of five hundred team three interceptions. I mean if you have two zero interception Haskins from from the previous two weeks, that's a winnable game. For Washington. All. That said, my mom says. You know you gotta live with it. You've got to live with this at least for a while. At this point you've got to give you gotta give them a chance to go through these growing pains and I point out that there's I mean for Washington football fans it's terribly unfair to tell them. You have to be patient yet again and watch a process yet again with a bunch of new young players yet again, that needs to grow, but that's the reality. So I mean the idea of fencing dwayne at this point seems foolish to me doesn't seem. You gotta see thing through you got to see to the point where if he's so bad the other players on the team SAR say, Hey, we need a change that's when you make the trigger but at this point. I mean he's got to stay in. I agree with you. But I really think that Ron Rivera yesterday. took it to a different level than where he was after the game because basically he said what you just said, which is there is a point. There is a point where you have to cut it off. You know there's a point in which others quote it meaning other players in the locker room quote deserve better closed quote I thought those were very interesting comments from Ron Rivera yesterday about Dwayne Haskins. Let me play two of the sound bites right now this is Ron Rivera your day talking about Dwayne Haskins by the way fifth ten of the first fifteen questions were all about Haskins and Tommy by the way I agree with you it the reason they lost the game Sunday was Haskins but I'm not ready to bail because there was still some good in the game from him, but this was Rivera yesterday. I think adding a new layer of interest to whether or not. Haskins really has the whole season to prove he can do it. Bryan said is your quarterback for the foreseeable future but I look at that locker room and there's a bunch of competitive guys in there. If. He continues to struggle or have poor performances it's going to be harder and harder to sell dwayne as your quarterback going forward because in that locker room guys want to win, you'll say doing and again there are a lot of guys that gave their heart put their heart out on the field and and tracing deserve better. I mean when when you look at the way you know Doron played and Jonathan and and. I mean guys like that or leave it on the field John Bosco guys played hard. You know you turn around the offense at you look at those guys on the offensive line we're battling and fighting, and you know the things that the baxter receivers and tight I mean you. Say at some point there is an and I'll cross that bridge when I get there no one that bridge may be. Is there is there is there is there like a point like obviously Their progress. But is there going to be a time where you just got in a sense? Maybe cut bait in away? Yes. There is I mean again and you brought up the point and it's very good points that there are guys in that locker room that are playing well enough for us to win, and again we have to make sure everybody is playing well enough to win at that point and there is there is there is a cut off point for me there is. I found. Tommy. Those two soundbites the which I. Put together to be really interesting because you know. Sunday after the game he's backing dwayne publicly you know they're sticking with Dwayne this is a process, etc etc, and then yesterday he's saying you know the guys in the locker room deserve better and there is a cut off point for him I I made a Cooley made the point yesterday to say yet because he got up on on Sunday night or Monday morning got up and watch the tape and the tape revealed some major mistakes in maybe some mistakes that they think he should be beyond at this point. I also find it interesting that you know Rivera. You know talks about their guys in lock room that are playing to win will the coach isn't playing to win? So the series that although although that they have changed to and I'll tell you why in a moment P. Finley and the the NBC sports. Team. Partner got gets that interview with Rivera on Monday and Rivera said we're in this thing we're we're in the division lead right now and and he compared it to twenty fourteen when he was in Carolina when they were three eight and one and made a run in one the one that division at seven, eight one. So maybe he's rethinking the rnd year the development year. But what do you make of what he said about Haskins as it relates to the other players on the team that are playing well I. Think. He probably got to look at the film and there were things much worse. I hits initial reaction was to protect his quarterback and defend his quarterback. Put. The film they say doesn't lie and He saw some serious flaws in there as far as look I, think the big I think what's what's going to turn into a big story? Not I mean it's biggest Haskins. No but a bigger story than it should have to be. Is this whole time out thing Kevin. I mean the colts not not not playing the win for the second week in a row. Worried about what his players think about. Twain Haskins not giving them a chance to win. And and obviously to coaches lack of confidence in the quarterbacks ability to bring them back for a miracle finish. What does this say to the other players if they're if they're getting that same message from the coats? So while Haskins is the bigger story. This time out thing is going to become an issue for the coach. It's just. Got I. Don't want to sit here and continue to do this I. Did it all last week and I did it yesterday but There is just there's confusion with this I. Think he's confused I I don't know how much of his personal battle right now is impacting Professionally it certainly would be understandable if it is I don't think there's any doubt what we saw on Sunday just doesn't happen in the NFL. It doesn't matter what stage of of the career your quarterback is or your offenses or it just doesn't happen and when it and if it were to have happened as it did and there were reasonable explanation which it's hard to come up with one but his being that he's trying to protect his players from injuries and then he's running plays. Anyway there's just it's it's all disconnected and discombobulated in his own mind and he's digging his heels in on that stuff tommy like he's really doubling and tripling down he did it in his presser yesterday like don't tell me my business boy I know what I'm doing well, no, you don't in this isn't one of those things and I know I'm going to hear from. So many of you I've seen it on twitter before all right Sheehan like you know more than Ron Rivera. You know what? When it comes to ninety, nine, point nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, percent of football. What he's forgotten, I'll never know but when it comes to calling timeouts the way he has the last two weeks I'm right and he's wrong all of us. Let me put all of us into the same category are right and he's wrong. There is no explanation. Well, there is an explanation that could match the actions but they, but it hasn't. So there is that you know he's being dishonest or just as forgotten but really if you're trying to build something and you're trying to get your quarterback and you're young players reps without trying to win why not get him to minute reps at the end of the half for the end the Games but if you're really concerned. About the injuries you don't keep your starters out there on defense, and then when you get the ball back on offense, you take two knees and you take your six timeouts home with you, your three second-half and year three first-half. I'll tell you the in many ways. The first half thing is even worse because it's seventeen seventy I would assume at the end of the first half he's not conceding at that point. And he conceded at the end of the half in trying to score. Do you know that they told Antonio Gibson on the run to stay inbounds to rot to keep the clock running? They wanted to go guys they wanted to get to the locker room. So No, he's wrong on this and his explanation does not match his actions which makes it even more confusing with that said back to Duane. I think what's in play? Now two things are in play. Number. One is just the possibility that we just don't know where dwayne is in those meeting rooms and in practice and what the team mates really think. You know there's this audio, I. Don't know if you heard it Tommy yesterday and social media of Thomas Davis in a miked up training camp practice telling Dwayne Hey, you're staring it down. You stare down the crying saw that. You saw and Wayne saying, no, I didn't and him saying well, if you when you look at the tape, you come back to me and tell me I'm right and Dwayne sit what if I'm right and he said well, then you come back and tell me I'm wrong and so there's already staring down controversy if will. But I think there's two things at play number one. There is the possibility that they already know that he's not the guy and they're sort of going through the motions of making it seem fair but in Ron's gut and in Scott Turner's Gut and Kensington PC gives MP's got he's not the guy they don't see it in the meeting room they don't see it brought out to the practice field. They don't see it in the Games and what are we doing here? Well, because this isn't going to be a year in which they're going to win anyway then we are We're going to go through the motions of giving him a perceived fair shot, and by the way, what are their options? You Know Kyle Allan Allan. They don't have a lot of options but this idea of not wedding. With. The defense that they have or appear to have and with the NFC east and such chaos. I mean I wouldn't race white flag. It's a winnable division. Yeah. Well, I I don't think they're anywhere near as good as cowboys but in and they lost Matt Ionizers for the year yesterday, which is a big loss in who knows what the chase young situation is. Hopefully, he'll be all right but he could miss a couple of weeks That's what I've heard but I don't know that for a fact Josina. Anderson reported yesterday that he went for an MRI but the second thing that I to mention you one of the things is. You know look we just don't know yet, but we will at some point that they just don't think it's workable that they don't think it's worth it but we're going to go through you know more games and maybe a season, and then they'll make that decision in the off season but there's something else at play in. This is where he told J. P. Finley like he woke up yesterday morning and realized, Hey, we're in first place. You know, yeah, we're one and two and I do have a good defense and I've got some players offensively, and by the way Scott Turner's called called a hell of a game the other day and you know we could win this division at seven and a eight and one or seven and nine or eight eight and we're good enough to win some of these games and you'll look hey, you know you know I hate playing the schedule game but play the schedule game they've got the giants twice they've got the bengals on the schedule you know they they still have all the five division games left and they've already won one of them over team that's floundering and Philadelphia they played Detroit There's one other bad team. Carolina, like right now you know if he said in his mind yesterday beat the giants we can beat the Lions. We can beat the BENGALS WE COMPETE CAROLINA, hell that's that's two, three, four five to go with the one we have that six if we can steal one more were seven and nine, we might be in the postseason history. Well, this is this is what I just said I know I heard you I'm not creating an echo I'm agreeing with you that. I mean so. I mean. That's why I don't get the time outs well, because I don't think he felt that way until you woke up yesterday and realize that he was in first place and his quarterback really played poorly in a game that they could have been in first place with two in one record had the quarterback not turned it over four times and and look if on Sunday against the Ravens they're down thirty four to twenty three with four minutes left in the Ravens are driving the ball and they're. Not Calling timeouts well, then this whole idea of trying to win the division this new idea that he told JP is not real and he really is in total are indeed we're not trying you know year which I think is absurd. I agree with you completely. But maybe this is the week he starts to manage the clock a more professionally and more with an urgency to attempt to win the game like come on coach try to win the game. Let's he's not GonNa do that. He's not going to do after sitting there and basically almost. Coming off the stage to rip the the lungs out of people questioning his time out strategy. He's not gonNA, turn around and do what you told them that. Well then I have done that's GonNa be a big problem because if he woke up yesterday and said what were in first place to and we get the giants twice in the Bengals and the panthers, the Lions and The cowboys can't stop anybody and. Hey. Maybe we can win now now all the sudden maybe winning becomes more of a priority look Tommy I. Think I think what I've realized. This first three games is what panther fans have been saying for a long time. Ron's a really good coach, but he's terrible o'clock management and game management. The all you gotta do is Google Ron Rivera clock management, and there are thread there's threat after thread of Carolina Panthers fans complaining about it David Tepper. The owner is a massive analytic sky. One of the reasons he is moving on is because Ron's too old school for him and he doesn't. Mean that I I think Ron. Rivera. A really good coach. I, think Mike. Shanahan's a really good coach Mike struggled at times with clock management. When he was here, you know I remembered you remember that time that Kyle and I on the air got into a debate as to how they manage the clock at the end of a of a half and Kyle told me I didn't know what I was talking about and then I and then I went back at him and I said, well, you could have had the ball back with a minute forty left instead of thirty seconds left. And then he just moved on, he completely brushed it off. Do you remember that? You know if I had to keep track of all your debate about how many times you were right. Time to watch any stuff it God that's you on a half shell I mean my God the number of times we spend ten minutes first ten minutes of the show remember what I said what I wanted to give you props for breaking the News on Matt I notice. Congratulations I mean you know it's nobody likes to break. Bad News about an injury to somebody but you had at first and you got credit and most place I. I saw every once in awhile stumble into something anyway I think what got introduced yesterday by Ron Rivera. Is the possibility. That this could end this year and I think after the game on Sunday. I thought you know unless get into a situation where it becomes so obvious end of the year then. Maybe get some Kyle Allen who knows but I think what we saw yesterday Oh. The other the other possibility on this is that he's publicly challenging him. That one of the things in the brought this up with me on the show this morning. Golly said that one of the things that Ron Rivera said over the summer, he talked about a meeting that he had with fire were urban. Meyer said, one of the things you must do with Dwayne is you must challenge him publicly in he'll respond. And he challenged him remembering the off season public less and so Gaul these theory is that you know he woke up, watch the tape and said, I've got a challenge him publicly I've got to say that you know he the other players deserve better and that'll that'll rile him up. The problem is as he didn't you know he had to be asked that specific question to answer he didn't offer it up. It wasn't something that he tried to work in to another question he was asked specifically about the other players and what their reaction would be if you know dwayne continued to to to make mistakes which cost them the game which he did on Sunday. Now, let me ask you a two questions. If Twain gets bents he's obviously not going to be happy. Does the owner come into play at all in that decision or does does Dwayne go to his friend Dan and Dan says, don't bother me Dwayne I got bigger problems. Well. I know the answer I know what your answer is. Your answer is, of course you. There's GonNa be a problem if he. I think he's GonNa he's got a push way way say, Hey, I'm sorry I got bigger problems. Now to deal with then your ego you ever heard of Beth Wilkinson she's not easy. Yeah I think it'd be the latter. He could probably rightfully consumed with. Hanging onto football team. So I don't think he's I. Don't think he's got to be you know fighting another battle on another front where he's got so many battles that he has to fight I have so I had no idea. I, would be I'm bothered about one thing though I'm bothered that. That I, it's not that I'm bothered because this would hardly be a shocker to me. but John Crime wrote in his column Sunday that you know one of the things that Ron Rivera when he took the job promise that he would really work hard to develop Dwayne I talked to John Afterwards and I'm like you know I had Ron Rivera on my show in August and I asked him specifically if there was a quid pro quo. Did, you have to commit to the owner to get this job that you would make it work with Dwayne that you would give Duane in every opportunity to be the the franchise quarterback and he said absolutely not. To me, it makes sense that that conversation took place right? I mean. The conversation about Haskins, took place before the offer was made. Don't you think that it would be weird if it hadn't been. In that somehow the owner got across to ron that he's a big Dwayne Haskins. Fan. Remember this to Tommy that the owner said that Carolina had a first-round grade. On. Twain. Yes, they did. That that's been said. Look, of course, at that conversation probably took place, but you know there's always at play. There could have been part of what J. Crew did when the owner asked him about Rg three is you know when you want a job, you tell the guy yeah I know how to run a widget from FORMICA. Know how to work one of those scenes? Yeah. So. So, there may have been part of that. He really wanted this job as you pointed out. Because he wanted to get back into coaching right away. So I, just don't think because of it'll be dwayne misfortune that because dance Snyder's plate is a hundred and ten percent fall that he won't have time to protect his price number one draft pick. It's possible You know at this point again, I believe my belief on. This is three three games. For me as a fan watching him play in three games. This year is not enough and there's been I agree with that and there's been some good in these three games too. But we don't know is what they're. You know all of the other stuff and you know it may be there for all. We know right now there's a consensus out there that he's not the guy. You know that we gave it a shot and he's not the guy and we can't. If we'RE GONNA turn this program around including the culture around and by the way I'm not suggesting that he would be bad culture. But if we're going to win football games over the next five years and to your point, you've always suggested he better do something quickly or he could be in trouble that. He's not going to get the military three, four, five years that they may have already come to the conclusion that the look there's a lot about him. That would be is alarming. You know his footwork is terrible. The mechanics are terrible. The the the staring down receivers on Sunday you know in the decision making was poor. They lost a football game Sunday because of the quarterback, there's no. There's no close number two on the reasons that they lost the game Sunday. So if that happens in other one or two times, it I if I, it just may be it nate. They may have already come to that conclusion and then they'll see one to two more times and then we'll probably get the guy they had last year but personally for. Me Watching these games not knowing what's going on in meeting rooms and the personalities in the leadership and all that stuff and and whether or not. He's getting it. It's not enough. I've seen enough good to want to see much more and to make sure that you know he's not the guy I still think there's a chance he could be the guy. That maybe. I agree with you. I mean, there's no I don't think I. Think it's way too early to pull the plug. Let me ask you this in terms of of Washington football team disasters. Where would the owner drafting a failed firth round quarterback ranking I mean it would certainly be on the list. It's not is it a? Is it a big one? It's an it's not yet a big one of course, but you know it's right up there with all the others the you know the Zoran Higher, the BR keeping Bruce. Allin around the Albert Hanes I mean we've got a list of of of of owner transgressions of owner mistakes that you know is is worn piece length over twenty years I mean so you knew. This one this is one that happened. Recently, relatively recently, and and at a time when some people in this town were trumpeting the new Dan Snyder, the uninvolved dance Snyder. When you did that. I don't I look. We. Still what we know about that draft is that Dan desperately wanted them to draft Wayne Haskins in the first round at number fifteen and and not only that the reporting. If you recall also that he was urging them to trade up to get Dwayne Haskins, which would have even been a bigger disaster. Were still not sure whether or not haskins would've been selected in the first round if Washington hadn't taken him at fifteen overall just because people had a first round great on doesn't mean that he was the next guy on everybody's board. You know we've gone through that whole draft. There was a possibility that he could have dropped out of the first round and they could have had a shot at him in the second round or they could have had a shot where they got sweat by trading into the first round end of it and drafting there. But anyway, well, the quarterback still has a chance to show the league that they done messed up. He still got that chance that's true and he gets his chance this coming Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens. Game Man last night because wolf cans. Audie. I'm GonNa talk about that game more detail here in a moment but man Mahomes, and then Jackson you know you're to get to the point here where Baltimore is GonNa have to beat a Kansas City. They're gonNA HAVE TO WIN A playoff game or Or you're going to say look as a front running team Jackson's fine when you've got the lead and you can run the football and you can stay in that you know. But if you've got throw to come back, it's to be a problem. Only, six when his teams down at half-time. Yeah I it's his dropback game is really painful at times to watch at that with that said when they are in that dual threat, you know capability he's can be really good author play action off a bootleg of creating but impure dropback not good not good at all certainly wasn't last night I just wanted to get one more thing from you before we end our part of today's show. Are The dodgers GonNa win the world series like. The the next two days Tommy I think are going to be absolutely thrilling for sports fans. Especially, if you postseason baseball, you know that there four Games, eight Games Tomorrow Eight playoff games. This is like the NC Double A. Tournament the next couple of days early round of the of the tournament for Gamblers Anyway The dodgers are such a heavy favourite, they are plus three hundred. And the the next best is like the padres or the Yankees plus a thousand. Do you think the dodgers are going to win the world series? Look anything can happen in postseason baseball particularly this postseason baseball I still think the whole baseball season bomb nation I think that the postseason is a continuation of that abomination therefore, I am rooting for the Miami Marlins to win the whole thing. That would be awesome too. But. I don't look anything can happen in this two out of three. I mean I I don't think they should even give give awards this year like MVP CY young all. Even give awards you know what's the award should be for the award should be for. Finishing it because you didn't have him finishing it. Now. I didn't and I didn't I was one hundred percent wrong on that and. With with no issue. They haven't finished yet. No, they haven't but hockey's done hockey. Did it. They had to leave the country to do it. Well, the NBA didn't have to leave the country and it looks like they're going to get through it. No they haven't but they're going to finish. You'RE NOT GONNA. See the NBA Finals will be played. My I'm down by eleven. With two minutes left I'm not wasting my timeouts buddy you're gone. You don't WanNA use one of them to stick around a little bit longer. Now, I'm using them I'm the I'm the I'm not leaving I'm not taking Oh, you want to stay a little bit longer and use your time. Well. You know that is really a change you wanting to work more rather than less congratulations on a first. All right. What else you got? Do you have anything else? got nothing else. Right. We'll talk on Thursday. Thanks. We'll get to Cooley right after I tell you about magic spoon big cereal eater I love cereal. I got sent four boxes of magic spoon cereal. It's fantastic. It really is in the best part of it is zero grams of sugar eleven, grams of protein and only three net grams of carbs in each serving four flavors, cocoa, fruity, frosted blueberry, cocoa, and Blueberry where my favorites I got to the frosted yesterday just sitting here snacking they were great. They taste amazing. 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We're doing the podcast this morning that the titans have to shut everything down and so do the vikings because of covid tests that were positive for Tennessee they're not allowed in their building until Saturday they play the steelers Sunday at. Home. In Nashville in a match up of two three and teams at big time early season matchup the vikings because they played the titans are also shutting it down. They play this week I forget who they played. They played Texans this week So we now have the first adversity to the NFL season as it relates to Covid we've got you know I don't know how this will get resolved. The reporting right now is that the titans are not going to be allowed in their building until Saturday everything's going to be done remotely can they actually play a game on Sunday without practicing Cooley? Absolutely they can play Sunday without practicing might be a little bit difficult. I had a lot of thoughts on this Kevin. Begin Lana Coc give them to me. One why can't they just go test everybody today Because I guess because in theory you could have a positive test four days later, right? Yeah. It's an incubation period or whatever the incubation period so you don't know to how happy I would have been as a player to have a full week off. No joking. Aside, I know that they're going to have meetings and installs and they are getting used to zoom stuff. But how happy I would have been not go practice three do they orchestrate a practice or is that something that they can or can't do? I eat John Beckett Tuscaroras high school when we have the NFL lockout Susan. This kirk cousins get together with Adam feeling to go through some of the concepts they had well. By for say, in Tennessee, cousins doesn't even like wearing a mask. He's only doing it to You know because he's respectful of those that think that the masks are working. You know there was I'm trying to figure this out Rena because I remember when the NFL set the schedule and I thought it was week for where they said the week four matchups everybody was going to have the same by week and that would just be so unbelievable if they timed it perfectly on that I'm just I'm just going through here. So the titans by week is week seven, the steelers by week. Is. Week Eight. Okay. So I was wrong about that. their by week as week eight. for whatever reason I thought that one of the early in the season, the NFL was essentially making it so that everybody that was playing each other had the same bye week and therefore if a game got. Canceled or postponed that they could rescheduled for their bye week but that's not the case anyway continue. For. What's the line change on this within three hours? Well, they'll. They'll shut the line down the game. There'll be no line on the game like I'll tell you right now I I let's see if it can be bet. There's there's probably not going to be a line in the game it's going to be. His you know. Let's see if. One of my shops has shut it down already. NFL Sunday, can I go in and bet the steelers up the steelers are one and a half of the titans the game is still on the board right now. So if I try to play the steelers right now, I can play the steelers right now if I wanNA play him. Should I do it? Now, if the game's not, it'll be avoided. Bet. It'll be. Fascinated to see. So are they gonNA shut the line down I think they will I mean maybe there's an opportunity right now. I'd. This is unprecedented territory games that lose lots of players for sickness or injury or are usually off the board until there's resolution to WHO's playing, who is in and the proper point spread can be set. The other is you can't set a line is because what if you go test on Saturday when everybody comes into the building fourteen guys have it well, we've seen I mean the lines have been you know free flowing all week up until kickoff without is with that is a possibility already this year anyway. I mean it would you. Can't say you can't sit. There could have been ten guys that got it from the game. That's why Tennessee Soda Tennessee's the one that had the positive cova tests. Minnesota's shut down because of it because they just played each other so. No I understand I mean dressing I get where come from I'm just I'm just saying like. I mean, the bond will how many guys have it on Saturday I bet you this is I bet I don't know I have no idea. Probably go in test throughout the week because here's the other thing to think about what did that? What did he have ten guys that habit? And you can't feel the fifty three. Right. They be right now and then we'll. So. There's a covert I. All right. You could just miss a game with covered. There's the covert at a three week I are, but there's also the expanded practice squad where you can go to the practice squad and call players up to play with it's just more. It's more available than it was I am I'm going to I'm not going to be able to give you specifically what it is. I'm just reading Tom Belisario. Three new player positives five new personnel positives. Both the Titans Vikings. Will suspend in person club activity starting today Diana. Roussy seaney leaks I just texted me were shutting Tennessee down until Saturday. and then she Yeah Rossini's all over this. Let's see. What her late at the titans will not be allowed building until Saturday, everything would be done remotely. This is going to be a big challenge for the organization in the League. There were no positive tests with the Vikings when notified this morning but the NFL's taking the safe approach via protocols with facility shutdown source added so. No no Minnesota Viking has tested positive yet but again, it's only two days. It's you know it's less than forty eight hours since they played. Anyway. Okay what did you just real quickly, I wanted to get your thoughts on Mahomes last night and on. And on. And on Jackson in the chiefs Ravens game. Good. Mahomes made them work still I know? That they played multiple cover just they tried to play multiple looks I actually I rarely tweet and I was just randomly saw something on twitter, which was a mahomes throat where he's backpedaling six or seven yards and advance throws it might have been eight yards before he plans to throws into touchdown over the top in truly reminded me you never played video games of Yankee ninety-one technical. Yet released to the anybody that's listening that played that game. This US especially with. Anyone with good receivers like the forty niners in in that game with John Taylor? Jerry Rice used to just drop your quarterback. Joe Montana. Twenty yards then you just heave one all the way across the field right it completely unrealistic except that's what my home state that throw too hard. Hardman was ridiculous. I mean. There was a third hardening that was ridiculous that Hardman's raw but the touchdown throw third and fourteen backing up and throwing it on a rope sixty yards. Unbelievable. It was a video game. Kevin. I don't know what to say like if you have that player. That would be okay. Here's another video game comparison like two, thousand, two madden or two, thousand, four madden or whatever it was when you play against any of your friends were like all right. Here's the deal you could be anybody, Atlanta you cannot have Michael Vick. Right. To. Claim Patrick Mahomes, he's so much better than. Almost. Any other player in the league right now there's. Some of the things that he does not fair things. Did. You see afterwards to his mom tweeted something here to all the announcers don't call him. Pat. You Know He's Patrick his dad's Pat. That happened to me with Matthew mcconaughey Yes it did Matthew McCarthy smack in. My Name's matthew my mom math. Okay map and then I left. On Jackson. He hasn't won a game in which they've trailed at Halftime I. Think it's very clear that if you ask him to drop back to win a game, it's a problem for Baltimore. Well. It's a problem for Baltimore and it's not just because of Jackson. So let me be on that now again. This is one of those ones that are tuft because my. pre-draft Jackson evaluation in some of the post draft stuff is that he's the best running back in football, and then I don't know if he's going to be good quarterback. You did this together I said I like him number one overall. If you'll do anything, I want I think he's the most versatile player of seeing now. I mean because I didn't add taken number one as a quarterback it's like the. Whole. Well D-. Number one if you would do anything I want and Baltimore created an offense for Lamar Jackson and so when you start talking about dropping back and throwing their out of their game clam. Complete. They're not there without outflow out rhythm at a game plan their game plan operates on heavy Ron a lot of run action pass. Jackson. Implementing some things. He does back there as a runner like it took away some of their game plans he's. A guy that can throw the ball accurately down the field deep but I don't think he's the most accurate passer in the intermediate range and I don't think timings exceptional. When you have to go hide alone hit that intermediate range I think is a tremendous player. But if you force him to thrown frustrating, he's not I think a lot of ravens fans last night or early this morning woke up saying. You're not sure I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying there right 'cause I don't think there. I'm not sure that they're necessarily right because we've seen front winner front runners win before whether it's a front runner in Gulf for a front runner in basketball or any sport like they. They have the ability to jump out early and bury you and continue to do their thing but the likelihood of being able to do that through three postseason games you know home. Home Home Road Super Bowl We didn't see it last year. You know we saw him get behind against Tennessee. He was forced to throw the ball fifty nine times and they. They were only able to score twelve points in the entire game. They couldn't come back after falling behind fourteen nothing and they couldn't stop Derrick Henry either which was a big problem for them last year the year before that I don't even put that San Diego game on on him that you know he barely played it a at that point but. You know it's like what all of the people The NFL experts always said when we were talking about zone read in the way, the game was changing and they would say look at some point to win a super bowl, you're gonNA have to drop back on third and nine in the pocket and make a play. And I, guess that's true to a certain degree I. Guess It is San Francisco almost won a super bowl without having to do that with capper nick. In two. Thousand Twelve. but anyway It ninety seven yards passing and eighty three yards rushing and I. It's. It's funny because eighty three yards rushing could end up being a two, hundred, fifty eight. Day, but they got down. I think thing you just continue to learn as how good Kansas City is in. Kansas City had the test with the chargers what a week ago yeah. The chargers really defended them. Well, I mean I it seems when you watch a game like last night, you're like, oh, my God Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and tyreek Hill and Clyde Edwards hilarity in there they just can't be stopped, but the chargers stopped them. Cold clearly, the charges are pretty defense. Yet the chargers given up more than twenty four, and then you get well overtime with the chiefs but charges a pretty good defense I mean the other teams they played. The. Panthers. I wouldn't put Carolina last weekend dominant offensive team. And I wouldn't say that the Cincinnati yet is dominated offensive team but the chargers I think there's something to the chargers. Yeah. I agree defensively no doubt the other Bosa in Ingram and all those guys. They're good still real quickly the next head coach offensive you know minded junior head coach is going to be Joe Brady Who is the offensive coordinator and Carolina and was boroughs OC last year at Lsu and you know I it's it's interesting watching Carolina. That's going to be a team that I don't think he's going to be as bad as people think I they lost a close game winnable game to the raiders in week one, they got behind tried to come back against the buccaneers and then they won against the chargers on Sunday on the road. I actually think that that's a team that's not terrible like everybody thought they were going to be and so far so good for Matt. Rule Joe Brady Etcetera and in Carolina. All right. Let's let's Let's get to the film breakdown. Going in depth play by play. Louisville breakdown here's and Kevin? Kevin the film breakdown. From the Cleveland Game. Think. You'll have some surprises. Think you'll have some known disappointments. I don't think anybody's questioning what the Dwayne Haskins grade is going to be I. Don't Know How you question that. There's some good stuff from the officers bad stuff I wanted to start with a couple of things that I thought were really impactful to the game and to me there were two calls that I thought were absolutely insane that to me truly impacted this game. I went through a little bit of with you yesterday, but the first one is a reverse. To right where West Martin gets called for hold they were heads seven three in the second quarter of the ball game. It's a first and ten right ends up picking up four or five. It's not a huge play. But instead they go into a I in twenty situation. This right now is not a team that overcomes first and twenty second and twenty. What's weird is Dwayne did it a bunch last year but right now it just doesn't seem like team. The hold on Martin is insane. he's walking. He's on the left. He's blocking downed pin for the reverse. I think when the referee throws the whole. He thinks it's run. So it looks like he's blocking down in its holding on with bad leverage where the back is going further inside he's blocking towards the back. But is doing was supposed to do in the reverses coming back. I don't think the referee saw the reverse. Oh, there's no chance. No Way. No nothing. There's no hold not even not even A. Iota of a whole. You go into I twenty, the next play, the a swing pass for five yard loss and they end up having to punt. Cleveland scores, the next. Possession right. Those. Are things that are little little things games where you you say we can't beat ourselves, but that wasn't one of those where you beat yourself. Right, like to me, that's not a play. Where were you beat yourself? The other one is a first and ten throw to Terry Mclaren where they're down twenty, four, twenty late in the game. and. It's a run action pass great budgetary when you call Oh piano receiver. It's when they truly extend with the arm. Terry comes out of his breaking. It's almost like he takes his arm in. It's like a swim. He's swatting hands off them. There's no extension there's not even like a lot teach tight ends. Sometimes receivers a little bit that you can chicken wing like you can kind of bump and chicken wing I watched this fifty times over and over and over and over. The chicken wing. It's just a SWAT SWAT by the receiver. There is no. Chance in hell that that's terrible call they call her on. The moment in the moment? They had just went and scored on the previous Of Twenty, four, twenty twenty seven hundred twenty twenty, seven of bounty settlers, twenty, four, twenty Cleveland, and we're in a back and forth second half right now. Back and forth. We're doing something, and again now you're put in a bad situation. Because of the penalty that didn't exist. I'm not making excuses here I'm not saying. Anything that it would. It for sure would have changed the game. But. To me this team that can't afford these kinda calls and these are bad calls too bad calls dynamically impacted the game like I thought when I watched it in real time and I feel the exact same way watching it on film. You, get him out of rhythm and they struggle a little bit. So I I to me. I was really frustrated with those couple of calls because it's like mini Washington gets that play join gotten some rhythm. He just had the big throw to Inman for touchdown, and then he comes back. That's next. Throw to strike to Terry. And you're like. Killing Yeah I. Look I. Don't know if they're going to win that game anyway but those that got hung up in the final score and you know debated on whether or not. Ron. Rivera with debate he should have been calling his timeouts. You forget that Washington took a twenty two seventeen lead into the fourth quarter. I made this point on radio this morning, the point you made and and and that was the third and twelve defensively were Ryan Kerrigan. Dropped in coverage and they completed it. If you get the stop there, you have all the momentum in the world and at that point, Cooley the win probability for Washington. Would have been probably seventy percents But when they did answer after making that third and twelve, and then now you have to answer your first plays a ten yard play and it gets waved off. That's really unfortunate as Tara Tara call because two plays later through the pick to goodson. To it. You throw a pick you give Cleveland the ball back now it's thirty one twenty. And they're just not at third and ten. On. We'll go through picks go through things I. Think we'll start with the way and as we always start yelling, let's get to join. So when you look at Haskins to me. It's like. When it started with like I'm just GonNa Start with this. He was four or fourteen down the field for anything over ten yards. Two interceptions, he did have two touchdowns throwing the ball downfield. Yet some Mrs that were open and he he had some Mrs that we're opening. I'll go through all of those fourteen of his completions on the day were inside a five yards and I think like seven of were behind the line of scrimmage or at zero yards. He is not getting the ball down the field. Now, he did throw the ball down the field more than the last couple of weeks. My point that I wanNA make before all of this before I start any of this stays the same I feel even more so even after some bad interceptions. If. He is not throwing the ball down the field. He is not getting better right now. Ron Rivera said I. Feel it. I think a lot of people see at the same way. This is essentially a rookie year. This is a quarterback that didn't play for years in college. This is a guy that wasn't believed in last year. Whether. Right. Wrong. It wasn't believed in so it didn't help him. And it's a guy that switched off in the off season and so through week wanted to just saying we dwayne to manage game in strictly manage game is not going to allow any progression for doing throughout the season. Right now, just managing the game is not seen enough looks to their concepts down the field and he's not learning how to get the ball down the field. and. If you can't get the ball down the field or doesn't want to get the ball down the field or does it feel certain with it, then we're just going to stay static with where we are as a quarterback in. We're going to end up with best-case Trent dilfer managing a season through the best defense ever in winning a super bowl being done. That's that is. Your best case scenario is is three years from now you're you've taught quarterback to just manage games in your finding a way to win seventeen thirteen. Which? By the way does it happen anymore in the NFL? Too many good quarterbacks in too many good offenses in too many things skewed towards the offense you have to get the ball down the field. I. In general I feel the same way I thought it was a pretty good game. There were some calls that I didn't necessarily love situations. I'm not a big fan of some of the swing screens in some of the swing stuff that they have even to. Gibson. In Second Tans Second Twenties I in twenty S I don't think dwayne throws inaccurate acid this point ensure that I know my guys gonNA catch and run totally agree with that. You. Flip screens. I I'm not. Sure. Perfect. For to work in. It's not perfect enough. He doesn't throw that ball well. I think he does struggle with that ball. So some of those calls. Questioning a little bit I don't necessarily love any of the third down combinations that they are getting to. Now couple of they converted on some of it and. A Lot. It's okay. But most of their third-down stuff is designated to be run after the catch to get the first down. So in in a couple of Attari. maclaurin shallow crosser big huge covered a mckissick crosser huge to man covered in. So some of worked some of it did. Back to Dwayne. The if you can believe this on all of his dropbox I think he was only truly pressured seven times. Yeah. Seem like the pro the protection held up pretty well, and Sunday I was curious as to what you were going to say about that. I did not see. A lot of pressure. Undoing Haskins. In this game I thought the offensive line did a pretty good job and now also keep in mind in this might be something to think about as we move forward. I thought Cleveland could bring some pressure in play a man demand more. Washington did an okay job against man to man coverage they struggled against some zone coverage looks but Cleveland only blitzed maybe five or six times in passing situations only I think three or four bullets situation they said we're GONNA. Play Zone. Especially after gotTA picks and the second at earned the second quarter. We're up for plays on this dude ain't going to beat us. He Ain't GonNa beat us with his eyes. That's what they basically adjusted to. The offense struggled I also. Also think they could run the ball more to be honest with you. I think that could have helped doing out a little bit throughout the game. So let's go through the positives with Dwayne Haskins progressively. First of all, I want to start the two touchdowns. Two men were big ten throats. Yeah. They were both big ten throws the first one. I thought was awesome. You know he staring down to inland he is. But it's a big time throw in. A big situation the second inning throws great. I think inmates the second read there. I think he's looking to Terry maclaurin, which means he's not staring down inman but his timing and progression was perfect to hitch. Once in deliver back across the field to infants is a great route by was kind of a a double move on the post. You really stick it to the corner in the back of the Post. It's really good job by inman to create the timing that delay not only freezes the corner over there, but it creates that extra half a second for the safety not to get their holds wide I. thought it was great route I thought it was great through. I thought one of Wayne's best rose on the day was down thirty one, twenty third in twelve on a corner out to Logan Thomas that they converted their pressure in space. He steps up he makes a big throw I. thought that was exceptional dwayne. Third Nate. On the touchdown driving the third quarter. It's good ball Logan Thomas get him a chance to be in a fourth three in may be one of the bigger place day for Dwayne was the just the fourth and three Cleveland did bring blitz in the fourth and three did panic. It looked almost wanted to Tuck it down and then he got his is right back up and he gets Thomas for first down that's big play through that awkwardly from an awkward position, it was awkward because he kind of wanted to like what now he's there. So I thought that was good. Couple of the boots rose I. thought were okay. Real quickly in the third and twelve to Logan Thomas because I wrote this one down as an example to me where it was a completion but it was not accurately thrown I mean Thomas made a really good extension if I recall in made the catch on that on that third and twelve. He, went to the right spot, but it was not a good throw. But he had myles Garrett in his face on that left side and Logan Thomas was tight man-to-man coverage in so. That ball had to be out in front of him. If you missed it, he missed the throw by within a foot. Okay I. IF I'm Logan, Thomas Drake, they're running that corner out I love to be able to extend away from the defender to go get that ball. So. I thought it was a good throw good catch to. Couples. Out to the right. Good balls one was to write that was out of bounds that that to me that's the receiver's got watch the sideline that was on touchdown on driving the third quarter that the receiver's got feel sidelined there I thought dwayne sense open. He's rolling right a good drug throw back across the field on a boot. It's just such an awkward like. His VP. Head. Go forward his ask goes back on a jump throwing he's. Rolling right growing. Right It's really strange like instead of like driving in hi, his chest out first he jumped almost feed out head forward to weird motion. To me, it's not a reliable technique. But I will say this retina right now on those boots rose I think he's probably fifty fifty on some of those throws couple not great couple. Okay. If you're seventy percent plus they're on that way I don't care. I don't care what Philip rivers throwing motion looks like Brian Complete Bazi complete balls but it to me doesn't seem a reliable motion that's an escape it worked. A huge was the on. Now's a laser man that was bullshit that. That got called back on Oprah. To me a couple of other good place there's a third and five sack in the third quarter in the second quarter. Garrett comes off the edge There's nobody open. To me, that was a perfect a out flush. My negative in this. In it seems to be a negative around the league. This was gonNA. Be More than my. What do you got? How many shirt tackles have we seen this year law where you see that why is that happening? I'm not sure what these guys are wearing. The tuck your shirt into your pants or the get a tighter undershirt. If joins not wearing that long white shirt he gets away gets the first down. Yeah. I've noticed that too in the first three weeks we've seen several of those place. Didn't we see Kyle Murray last week wasn't there a yes? Yeah. I've seen. At. Least fifteen short poll tackles. Get it I don't know what's going on there they. Get a better shirt. I don't care what Dwayne wears for his undershirt. It's not common that doing a gap scramble and Myles Garrett is going to be strong enough Polish shirt. But some of these guys backs and stuff you get caught on the edge by one hand, guys are able to pull that shirt. You know what's funny is the technology of shirts. The four threads stuff now is so strong. Shirts ten years ago it just ripped. Right That's your twins two, hundred, fifty pounds. That shirt. Held a two hundred and fifty pound Hannah to another fifty anymore. Don't you don't didn't you watch videos from over the summer he's got to wait two hundred and thirty pounds. Down to two. Nineteen. It's an average of two hundred, fifty pound men on average. Sure I mean. I would I would buy that shirt. That's you're never gonNA rip. Yeah. Couple of the RBI throws were good. Some of the bubble throws were okay like the RPO where you gotTA bubble through hundred couple of write some of those throws were okay. Those are easy throws. There was one screen early that I thought was a good throw away. It was really close to an interception. It looked like it was jobe who almost had a pick, but it was to me that was good throwaway screen. There was another string later we'll talk about what? Look. I think dwayne still guy that can operate. I'd see Wayne when he makes a couple of these throws is a talented player who can make talented throats right I do see that. But. But here's the negatives. Yeah. I think negatives are. Just easiest for me to progressively go throughout the game, it's easiest for everyone to understand. Instead, go to high the biggest negatives first, and then throughout I think it's just easier for me to go throughout this game. Early on third and fifteen throws a slant, terry? McCormack. Could pick. It's a terrible job by terry across based on slants it's cover to look tears gotta get in front of the corner space be there's another slant inside of him. That's coach to just only cross race of the next inside on offender to create a window terry has to get back underneath that said, you can't throw that behind. That slant behind the corner in front of the safety that never gets caught. You've never completion. Move on the that goes eight received their next DOT. Check down boom move on. That's pick. Those are not those are risky plex. That's just an incompletion as it goes into the stat, but but I didn't like that. There's a throat on a run action pass deep out a little bit of pressure in his face to right. Right is getting walled inside and taking forever to get out to the corner. It's madman coverage in. So doing doesn't necessarily think the corner on the outside is gonNA fall off. Gandhi. Goldens outside running a ball trying to clear that now it's not the fastest go. Dens award just sensors pressure sensors ball in the air and falls off into it. GotTa be out quicker or it's gotta go somewhere else. That one can't slope. As. A heck of a job is shit route by right but it's a heck of job blowing that thing up. To me rights getting logged on that thing get to number three in progression yet a dig coming into the back side window could have just started a ten across from the left side. I'm going to do this 'cause everybody hates this one of the things I like the most about kirk cousins was his ability to get back to the dig number three. Like how many times he worked at especially in third down situations that hard to men combination didn't like it hitched across the field came back to number three on that dig like think of all the peer, some digs coming across the backside that dude got. Do that play you don't throw in your pick. You move, you get your check down or you go to number three. Certain one on the Second Dr. It's run plates a fly. Sweet. This is arbitrary, but I think I'm right on this thing. Call Terry. I can see Dwayne calling out the Mike linebacker. You're trying to leave the defensive end free on the BAUGH. Block both backwards to the strong side you'd WanNa leave the backside becker free away from it. Leaves the strong safety down free to Terry side? That guy hits it. There's no one there for him. There's no one there to block gets blown up. I A lot of times it's weird like is at the center of quarterback. Well, I can see Dwayne pointing out the mind. So he when you count this thing out there. The safeties down there's a backer and then there's another backer. Doing. Calls the third backer the last mentioned might. Just Mike it to the second becker that treats the safety to the frontside as backer. Now, our offense pushes up to that next guy, the safety. Just. Left unblock players I down again. That's a little thing. I. Don't even know if that's how they coached it. I'm just I would go to differently they did go to that way right but if he did call it wrong, you're going go back and be like what? Are we doing here. Tears head knocked off. The first interception. Four verts. He's trying to get a ball down the field. The, plan a single hide zone look one safety zone underneath. Can't, stare at down. And when I say that I'm not just saying. E can't. Catch their down because you want like you got to move the safety to actually see where the safety goes. Single high safety is cutting Logan. Thomas. All Day it is almost never did I have seen a pick verts three to one side. The inside guy running all the way across the field needs to get across the face on the other side of the guy and ends up making a pit. That is safety that is clearly defined that he is playing. Logan Thomas. In the next guy. If you're saying, you're not staring at down then there's no way. You didn't see that safety because the read exclusively first off of that safety. Single Coverage. If you WANNA work the two middle guys. What is the single high safety doing? If, he's moving to the crosser throw the next scene ball. If you don't like the next scene you throw the check down third long trying to force any predetermined where he wanted to go to the ball. Everything here Kevin told you that the safety is going to got the crosser. Now. The only way you complete this ball. When you predetermine it is to back shoulder Logan Thomas he threw out in front and over the top Logan Thomas Logan does have that speeder jump ability now I've seen a completed I've seen a completed like drew brees to Jimmy Grandma to get this thing all the time and they threw it back shoulder in Jim. Graham used to open this up and go get behind the underneath linebacker didn't matter too much safety cut at the best thing he was going to do. So. If you're GONNA throw that ball, you drew brees that Apple. Drew brees that ball. There's overthrown a screenplay the very next play totally donaldson interception that that was like horrible. That was like the data, the carnival that can't win. It's get. That was such a big mess. It was almost a pick to safety came down safety season. It's a walk in touchdown pick. The, the thing we've talked about it the touch. It's really weird that he can't get that ball down to the back. It can't get it over the top I. Mean it wasn't like a wide open look you've got. You gotTA throw that over defensive, Lineman but seriously. The second interception by Duane. In. All fairness to Duane They ran the exact same concept out of a different formation to place before on first in ten. Ten yard look on the numbers. A seem clearing the middle of the field in a slack. to place before. It wasn't good to place before they went back to it. Also in all fairness I think inman is short on the route and I think he's too far inside. He's running it from a tight split. You'd like him to get to the outside edge of the numbers and said that down that creates a more of a spacing between the scene. Was Low Thomas who you're hoping holds the linebacker. You're hoping that seem runs in the linebacker goes I. Got I. got to go with this a little bit in that Hook, Windows Open. Well seem didn't hold. The linebacker. and. Ultimately, you just throw the ball back down to the flat it's third down, but you don't throw pit. Right, and this is again where it's like there was one route on that side that have the chance to get the first down. It was the tenured eight yards. Short and it was too tight inside. In an. If not, you only have the flap to throw to you. Still you just have to throw the flat survive. That's that would be. Dwayne like maybe forcing things I like they're on the ball downfield that was covered. Goodson was all over was Goodson, right? Second Pick Goodson was the second one. SNP last one. So. Bad pick and again. If you WANNA hold goodson this. This is where it's like some next level. The way. We always I've run that play forever. It was one of the first installs in Shannon dropback. The seem to Thomas Goodson was lost never goodson was the last one my fault. Yeah. I can't remember the WHO what backer picked. Yeah. So didn't just defining this without pictures to anybody it's three guys to aside the first guys running through the middle of the field. As you wanted to hold the backer and hold the safety, you can throw the hook. Then your high showing the hook flat. So there's a guy running out into flat four yards in a hook at ten to twelve, ten to twelve, not eight ten to talk. The way it was always coats was the scene is read as number one. Which means the quarterback has to look scene? Now, there were ten times that I ran this while I personally ran this play where I felt the same was wide open why the fuck open and I never caught that ball thing never threw it to me like this I'd go back and said I'm I'm one throw it bright. Logan wasn't open, but if you hold his is number one. The way you should read this play out the backer picks it. Carries the scene. He doesn't get into the whole. DWAYNE COCO is looking hard. Hard right. Now he could say I'm trying to send I know I'm not thrown the through or the scene I'm trying to sense the high low, but he wasn't he was just looking at him. Everything about his body language is everything he did told any linebacker in the NFL or in the NCAA. To Go. Undercut that ball. So that's conceptually just not read out properly. And it to me it's a pure predetermined look. There's backside pressure on that play, but he didn't feel it. He never even thought about keeping his eyes middle he never since that Max pressure. Bad. Bad Later first half, there's a scramble play. Oh excuse me. I. Play the second half there's a scramble play. To the last. It's a run action pass pull up that play. And tell me the infant is wide open in the middle of having an issue with my nfl game pass right now it's not pulling. Down Right now. Terry McAuliffe to his right, and then he's got imon coming across from the left in the middle of the film and he's got another dig behind inman outside to the left. Jerry's covered. He's predetermined. He wanted to go to Tara here. He stays with Terry too long cannot get off number one. Now all that said he should have thrown Terry Terry. There's one on one on a go ball in the safety was flat-footed in it was it would have been contested, but he had a one on one look the guy one of on a global should've thrown it. When. You don't grow it. Hitching get to number two. What player? What player are you talking about I? Got It back up. It's a scrambled play for two yards. This was the three and out to start the second half. It's it's not a massively negative play percent because it's a two yard gain on a scramble. But it should have been a fifteen yard game two in the middle of the field or it should have been a shop. All Terry on the outside walls are open. Yeah I mean that's Today's T- original point he he did once again flush left. Only scrambled left, but there were no, there was one. Of the middle and there was one left does not run right? People are wide open all over the field on this place. They actually this was funny. You can go through next gen stats on NFL in. They'll show you run direction for every player. Like up until last week, mckissick had only run the ball left only list. What why didn't why didn't Dwayne on this? I play of the second half down seventeen seven throw the ball to is that who who lines up in the slot on the left hand side is that. He's wide open nobody covers telling you because he stuff on number one but my problem is is number. One is also open if he throws it although their safety help on maclaurin. The safeties in the middle of the film flat-footed there they'll. If you're even you're leaving concept would apply here. Right? There's no chance that safety gets to the top to make any play on that ball is held by if he hits that back foot on the first play, the second half and he throws to his number one read, which is McLaren. down. Might be a touch. Now I'M GONNA. Tell you right now you got one worst-case scenario in my opinion obviously worse cases like basketball pick whatever Gordon make great play but true worst cases incompletion. Take shot you took a shot you gotta want it. Why didn't he take this shot to maclaurin? flat-footed foot the safety turns in the opposite direction to start with McLaren. down. This is a big player I dunno values worst casing. But then if the quarterback just didn't like it for whatever reason, he's GonNa throw a fifteen yard inmates carrier's GonNa come back and be like bro You got to throw that ball the me he's going to be like yeah, I know I Well look at it, but we got inman. So we still got a good play. Gabe he left and he scrambled he scribbled to yards when people left, you just pissed off three wide open receivers can that play is the most obvious of him not pulling the trigger which I don't know sometimes I think he he that's not as issue like I think he will pull the trigger. He doesn't pull it here, and this is his first street if he hits at back foot and he throws the ball and. He puts air under it. You know is that Denzel Ward covering I mean he's got one of the best corners in the game on McLaren but he's got man coverage with no help to safety's not going to get there and you've got a legit shot to get a big play. No right nobody everybody's GonNa say throw it in in the team meeting right there. You GotTa throw that you got to you seventeen our best receiver. Lit that sucker fly. Back, YOU'RE YOU GET IT A. Situation where takes the sack and I'm going to spend on this play car It's to to to get to receivers to the right mistakes got to got tight end in receiver left. On the right. You ever see we're running out until the flatland pre shirts Terry. And then you had the next inside receiver stem inside the yard five yard out. Pulled up right now thirty two I'm watching throw tears open in the flat. If you felt that. In man coverage situation that the corner. Plus too hard. The flat. That's when you throw the stick, which is also now wide open to imitate for to your game if I got you. So if you didn't like the flat progress to. If you don't like inman. which he should have, he should've like the flat you should've stick then you progressive number three, which is the tight end with the hook tone. The ball I logo Thomas was also open I. If you don't like Logan Thomas, you progress back outside to Sims who's running a short hook at six yards. Just inside the Hash or inside the numbers who's also opened. This is what is called a across the board read. You start on one side and you go one, two, three, four progressively across the board. All the same level throw this is. The easiest for quarterback to negotiate most situations this. Play to any west coast team any west coast team. In football would be called. Stick. Spacing. It's run by everything that's effective to bill walkway across the board. This to me. is where you denote the line of not operating as quarterback. Yet four receivers open on an across the board. Read. Martin gives up a little pressure, but also keep in mind he's bowled backwards. This is a three step drop quick gameplay. This ball isn't out now ball. Martins in front just given up a little pressure. Shouldn't have pressure boss Boston been now you're you're missing the two other I'm not saying you're missing you haven't mentioned to other opportunities on this play. Is that is that. Is that mckesson is at mckissick coming out of the backfield. The. Because, you could throw to mckissick. He's got one one to make somebody missing it first down. But if he flushes right, he can run easily for the first down but he does he never flushes right. In there, playing him if you look the DNC crashing inside because he knows, he doesn't have to contain twain on the outside running right? Did you know that up and under that MOS? Aside every time Moses is doing a heck of a job blocking this year but I'd happened under off that's at every time every up and under at four some left eye loop from the backside left and I'm making step up into that loop. This is the the the plane that you've shown. Got My NFL game pass back up and running but this is where I could see coaches in players being very frustrated. The last two plays we've described are to resting place. But this one's hard because everyone's open and it's third and two, it's simple to move the sticks here. To anybody. I mean maybe throw the flat and he gets hit right to and he's got a ball or something. It's not perfect but if you don't flash throw number two to five year at our up boom right there number two here we go. Right in front you're not number two boom right across the ball number three hook over the ball logie Thomas is sitting there lug Tom Scott's three yards in front of Linebacker linebackers pointing soft thousand two I couldn't tell you why and then God forbid if you're progressing one, two, three, four like you didn't like didn't like quickly Simmons Wide Open on. And then worst case. Get back this bishop go like boom boom boom boom ball out. Out Out this easy is easy stuff. This is like what I would call if I were. The play color thirty, two for. League Mike. Football team is a great play. You know. I don't want to belittle I don't want to believe. But number three's right in front of his face to. But this would also cool just one more thing on this play. This would explain or this would be I think an example of what Ron. Rivera's talked about the last two days where he's going, he's he's bailing too quickly and he's going through his reads too quickly and he's not giving an opportunity because if you look I mean it's quick everything's quick and people are open, but it's like he wants to move on to something that is an open. Rather than I mean in this particular play if he just throws it to maclaurin. Sticks I down no. Brainer. Number One. Yeah. Okay. This is like you have to see coverage on one side and say like what side of the field of my going to work this is just a read it out as the play progresses play. This is easy. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Okay The next drive was scoring drive when we went through some of the positives on that play but. After a fumbled exchange, which was not his fault my opinion. I thought he had great is great vision. Great Sense for coverage just misteri in the corner on second down in whatever fifteen second template someone. dismissed him I mean. That sense to fill underneath coverage suck up. In Gary, over the top was awesome. It also led me to get the sense where I told you that. I think he's A guy that really feels comfortable running to his left also think he feels more comfortable throwing less than feeling coverage. But I think in general consistently He might tell you different. There's a second twenty millions of getting some pressure. It's a bad ball. But he sliding into pressure. This. this would be the next drive. Where they have a stunning, he's already sliding into that like just stay in the pocket. In. So again, like this is pocket. Technique pocket. Feeling. You don't have to leave the pocket doesn't tell you the slide left. Don't don't fight left if. You don't have to don't let slide impressive and you have to make an awkward throw. the third and fifteen interception down twenty four twenty. Ends up thrown into inman on Gets pressure in his face. A trying to get it out with anticipation at timing. I'm going to tell you right now like. inman should be over the ball on the hook. Route. You want your inside book to be create spacing yet might be Terry on the next to just outside of him they want as much whipped in between them is possible thing inman runs to vertical. But that said. He's looking inman. He's not looking at. Goodson. Goodson is the zone defender who would be plane inbetween inbetween the to crowds. All you look at here is the defender you don't look at your receivers. If the defender moves with the inside Hook, throw the outside Hook. and vice versa. If. The defenders stays outside with then your inside we'll be open I mean normally on this inside book the only time I've seen a pick is when the next backer on the other side further inside senses it in falls back into the inside hope. I it's rare that you throw a hook defender were goodson is it's rare EC back. To, play by goods, but he's disturbing staring inman. And he's trying to get it out before you get set and so to me again, it's like. Don't force this ball. If you don't have time to read out goodson don't force this. This to me was one of it was similar to two or three of the throws on third down along to the Philly game where the ball came out. So early. It's hard to get the ball out that early I. Mean Inman was Inman Rim three more steps at least four more steps before he turned around it wasn't at the stick. The receiver get closer to the sticks before he throws up on in It's just not read out properly you just forced. lastly, the sack fumble. Garrett's awesome. Hey, let's let's not get that. Wrong. But Garrett? Just took it from him. It to hands on the ball. To. Ends on. So. Here's the way I look at this game for doing aspens. If you wanted massively downgrade turnovers if you want to count in for. Aaron Rodgers are. This is if this quarterback is played league for five years I, I do WanNa massive week downgrade somebody's risks throw turnovers. Then it's an S. If you WANNA say learning process understanding things trying to grow getting the ball down the field a little bit made some good throws in this game missed some throws it. We'd like to have back on like it's a D for Dwayne I'm giving him a D.. Because I just greeted turnovers as. One play like on the way I'd do it is it's a scale of one to five on every play. I gave a turnover zero. So you get zero points for one play out of five. It ends upgrading is D. if you wanted to say a turnover is candidate does double. which theoretically you could do. Then, it would be a little bit different. So as a D. for Dwayne, Haskins look ultimately cal I. See a guy who's struggling with some accuracy I. Think he's struggling with his foot work in his movement in the pocket. I think he continues to throw off his back foot with his hips way to open out of awkward throwing positions which by the way I understand. His arm strength allows him the ability to do. He's capable of getting enough on the ball out of any position, but I think that's hurting his accuracy in in this particular game I do think he wanted to get down to the ball down the field a little bit in forced a couple throws when he may be shouldn't for so Stroz I think he's predetermining number one. Way Too many times in this game, which means he's staring down number one. and. Ultimately made some mistakes that if you're reading coverage out, he doesn't make. Yeah I think the one thing that's clear is when he said on Sunday that he wasn't staring guys down, that's not true. You can see it more than anything in that final interception were he never never comes off inman and just completely stares him down to the point where the linebackers just like you're you're actually GonNa, throw it here. You're looking at me and him and you're gonNA throw in here and he never looked in another direction. And that's why Goodson clap. So hard on that play, he should have just been staring the space in between the two receivers because that's essentially what you WanNa feel space. Entrust. As High Saunders Hatay Haskins. They'll be where the supposed to be when supposed to be there. All right. Let's. Let's rip through skill, position players, and offense of line right after tell you about my bookie dot ag. Look at the best opportunity to gamble Cooley in a while are the next few days you've got baseball virtually on all day long baseball playoffs today tomorrow they're eight baseball games from noon until probably one or two in the morning I love postseason baseball. It's a great time to wager in with this new wildcard best two out of three setup. It's going to be incredible right now also, my he's got a one hundred, thousand dollar super contest for only a ten dollar. 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No, you gotTa don't the first half the first appleby, the skill players second half will be the of line will give you three timeouts in each i. don't want three timeouts. I'll take one time out per half. Okay well, if you need to save time at the end of the half and don't be afraid, I'll save my questions for the end. Okay Terry maclaurin. The positives is what everybody sees from from tearing. The his subtle yet explosive run after the catch is is awesome. I mean you see consistently in every single game is is Dr Jekyll Catcher. Amazing. There's a slipstream that he has in the second half minutes Got Man you gotta get Terry, Moore touches to me. You GotTa get a more touches in and around line scrimmage the fly sweep that he ends up getting the first down I mean, he's just he's just gonNA burst to him. A great ball adjustment on a quick out run after the catch is explosive fight. Sweet by said huge. certain Tanis running across. got a great pick from Logan. Thomas immediately up to fill gaining ground on his grasser. Good catch in stride up to fill some big time. I thought the O. P. I voluntary went through is absolute insanity to me. That was a Helluva route and a big temple in the game. So bullcrap there. the bust early in third fifteen, he runs behind the corner on a slant route no one's GonNa Count this or understand. This is a bust. If you don't understand the actual concept to me, you go behind the corner and you're. Doing two things. You're begging quarterback not to throw the ball or you're asking quarterback to throw potential interception. That was that was a missed Mr Sign. If I'm coaching that club it was. It is what it is I think he's got explosives explosiveness to get down the field, but I am not sure if he lacks that true this was one of those games where I keep saying Terry's Z. Next which would make him in theory the to receiver they're both ones, but he's Z. An. Like One of the first places, the game dwayne takes a shot over the top. It's a hook in go. Like he's trying to hook and go he doesn't have that patients on some of those double moves. He Kinda stutters and turn rotates his hips back a little bit corner never bites. You gotta find ways to get down the field in separate like he doesn't have that true in line explosively speed to run by guys on scene balls which. We've talked about the one that the second half where you could have thrown it, but he's not by the corner. He not running by the right. So he is a route runner. He doesn't necessarily in in this game especially was dense award. I get it. But have that knack to just run by somebody and he doesn't have that it's a run action double move kind of really sell it increase true separation is separation is subtle in is quick out of his brakes especially on the underneath stuff but some of his down the field stuff, it's like Whoa. We need to be more open. We want to be the true X. I still think he's he's awesome He was a be in this game. I just want to mention this really quick. You'd have to look up the receivers coach. I, thought every one of these receivers blocked there azoff all game. Okay I get I got downfield screens, run plays I thought they did a great job blocking. So big compliment to that group into that position coach forget having their guys get after they look out for each other that they stayed on. DB's thought they blocked well and I'm saying that as I get in because I've literally Jim Houghton were is the wide receivers coach in las good job Tim. Osler Jim good job I gave inman like the the phony I've never given this before hard hat award. Is he had a couple of big time touchdown catches but I thought he blocked his balls off. So I was impressed by England's ability to get on DB's and stay on DB's and a lot of different situations. the the one of the first little bubbles to to write hit a pancake block DB like I'm Gonna I'm counting that in the film breakdown. Writing that now. The first touchdown it's a good job on a dig to go up and get a high ball I. Thought Penalty was agreed Gis I know that he flexed some dude but a harrison. Cindy Ho, hit him late to me that's an offsetting if anything. The double row on the touchdown the second touchdown. Like the cards stick to the corner and then stained skinny to the post given a good window to way. dwayne. That was a really good route like. To me I want to run that concept a lot of ways especially in the red zone it's great red zone concept I would pull that clip. I would coach that. That that's It was a really good job. some of the negatives from inman. Interception thrown in the first one. The first interception I thought he was short on route and I thought he was too tight on the inside on the route get patients suppressive deep. We're trying to highlight defender. You gotta get enough width and debts. It's all about zone and spacing in he did not have enough with or debt now. Theoretically quarterback to throw the ball but not a good route. The second interception I thought poor route distribution I'm GONNA say that. That's how I would say it. I think you need to be further inside on the inside book out to the sticks, but they might coach it on the Hash. So you know I don't know exactly what they're doing. Late game This is almost forgotten, but he had fumbled Sims recovered. Imon played forty five plays. He was a plus since junior played twenty three place I have one note great fumble recovery in the fourth quarter on the INMAN fumble. I don't know how sims doesn't get more balls or more looks he was unnoticed in this game I did not great Sims I don't he's A. Wasn't bad. It wasn't good. He was out there points. Not A. NO grade. Yeah I mean give them a C. You know Oreo up with an incomplete. No it's not incomplete. You don't show up good or bad. It's a safe. Okay. I. Did actually had one on Simmons Junior from special teams from actually watching the game live. I don't know if he has a great sense for punt returns. No, I don't either. There was one that he let bounce there's one I. I think he's more explosive as a runner in the open field but he yet okay return in the second half I'm just. Fumble last week on a return unnatural on Simpson returns just yet I'm not sure. It's just funny because. There's certain things that he does that other players can't do. But there are things like when Trey Quinn was in their last year at all the plays that he wouldn't let bouncer all the little things sudden little things running away from the bog said of instead of catching it on the seven on a fair catch bluer defenders away from you there. So they can't down there little subtle things that I think he has to learn. Got It. Now he's a better once the balls his instant win that debate that many way shape or form, but it's just some of the. Stuff. It's in question a bit. Right. Right stepped in and had some place I mean, who is right Isaiah? Rice's Ahah. Right? Where's number eighty three, play twenty, nine plays in this game he did quite touches as well. Right did. a couple of those little bubble plays that he had. I thought he did a pretty good job running with the ball in his hands a reverse remix guy miss the job. by right on the edge there that play was called back those craft. The Bat on right. The first interception. The. First near interception by Ward shitty route gets walled inside takes way too long getting down the field and DH wins gotta come off a bit but not good route that's said of a job save the play did save it. Active Ajub stay with it and then a catch out of bounds on the touchdown drive in the third quarter Y- he's initially in a flex week motion in these Arkin towards the sideline is you're drifting towards the sideline damn will better where the sidelines. Right was A. C Plus in this game. Logan Thomas fifty-five place Makeup of good catches in this game, the contest catch early on an RPO throw one of the game just to create some separation. Nice using his body next contested. Term, corn on a third and ten heck pick to get terry open on the shallow cross. A third nate to place back back were huge third on the sticker out by Logan Thomas. To get down to a four thousand three. Really good job getting depth on the sick route but then coming back downhill friendly to the quarterback to allow him a window to throw the football and then stained with it on the fourth down play was huge last positive catch on third Thomas. It's not you'd separation but it good speak cut break out of the top. It's getting depth on that corner route to making sure that you're getting the first down. That was a huge play diving out there to give them a chance to stay in that ballgame. Great catch. he had a drop on a second fifteen. It was a bad ball in the back hip we didn't talk about this Dwayne wasn't. Had enough negative. is on his back. It's still had his hands you've come up with that thing second fifteen can get third and ten, and even if you just come up with that, that would be big and then he dropped a little out route on a first and ten late in the ball game was contested but dropped it Logan's like. One of those guys that on guys in the run game, he's just not winning blocks in the run game not necessarily losing or is not necessarily. Is Interesting they run the ball college more time not lose so many plays out a gun some with tight really has no impact in the run game Logan Thomas was a c plus in this game. Logan just one of those guys can't win one on one. He did on the third and twelve as just one of those guys that just doesn't have a natural separation ability like the change of speed the settlements that stuff's there yet for Logan Thomas in when it's not there it's Be there you know exactly what he is. He's a guy that can stretch the field a little bit. You know you'd love to see on the interception down the field the Logan Thomas. That The give Logan a chance to open his hips and go up and get that thing. But. You know you'd love to see a couple more of those. I still think he's learning the game. I do still think he's learning to play tied into this but right now he's doing he's doing a good enough job with them taboo chance. mckissick. I really do like mckissick is a jested to you last week after the film breakdown in again on Friday that they get the running backs more involved in third down situations yet to big catches on third down situations the little sticker out early in the game. Great separation good run after the catch. The dynamic backs are super important, munc-, mckissick dynamic back good blitz pickups throughout the game times have come all the way across the formation puts his side. He's not on at that. He was consistent in that third and sixty runs little crossing route. Big Finish after the play does really good job. He just to me shifty between the tackles when he's running the ball, he's a good receiver from any spot I. Think you gotTa Get Kissing more touches have to me that's that's the thing with mckissick is. Are. We GonNa very touches in any given way. Are we going to say running back to running back? That that's kind of where I'm sitting here looking at this thing because I I just don't think that when your better players is going to end up with five carries for fifteen yards and. What? Three catches bright or targets. That mystics got to be more involved in the game plan. Because I think right now he's as reliable as a players anybody offensively besides Terry in the right there hand in hand his reliable players. For this team in Agra I noted just again like there's a I and twenty after the Teri Okita. Feiger gain out of nothing mckissick. Poorly blocked play tough against front that they were against five yards. For little. Guy. He can make something either nothing. So I like mckissick I thought mckissick was named minus in this game. Gibson. Gibson's got some flashes man. What he gets ball in his hands. He's got some power to. Runner you get them downhill in between the tackles and make some place like. To me. He's got a pretty good sense inside. I did not like one of the first inside don't push whole have a little bit more patients and I think I've noted this a couple times early from Gibson that. Maybe. Last week he could cut it back when he pushed too hard outside this week early could probably pushed are outside been cutback, but then as the game progresses He does start to get a pretty good feel that the touchdown run from three yards out was really awesome. Did I thought jump cut at the end of the first half he makes to Mitzi bounces out nine yards above what I think would be expected another good play on the end of at the end of the first half, the ends up resulting in a fumble. Not not the best, but you see some burst from him. It was his ability to just hit it up in their third four late in the game. where it gets great, interior pushy gets behind his authenticity runs the tower. my question for Gibson is. When it gets out lower little bit. Can you make a guy missed one on one at times we like to be able to make a guy missy gets out to that sidelined almost always cuts back immediately you'd like to see them. We'll have a little more patients as receiver did better job catching the ball. There was one way out in front of him that he had the go down to catch and get four yard gain out of nothing. the the other negative. The fumbled handoff could have been a disaster and I think that is on Gibson right there. Oh. You thought that was on Gibson I. do think it was on Gibson that's between Dwayne and gets an exactly what happened there. But I I like to me ensure the hand off. You know what I'm saying you just looked like dwayne stuck in there and just dropped it. Yet that's. Right in there and it didn't stick. Okay. I thought Gibson was a C plus in this game he ended up nine carries for forty nine yards. Rushing the ball you know he had three receptions on three targets for eleven yards again. I would love to see. GIBSON PLAYED RECEIVER AT MEMPHIS O. Gibson can run some ranch. I would love to see some. Third Down three receivers you got mckissick and Gibson in the backfield. Utilized one of them in motion and one of them on an option round of the backside one of them running the real route, a likely there's more to back sets with these guys that they just they could get to and they haven't got to like to me I would rather have him kissing Gibson in the game that Baugh. Like. I would rather at one of those players bought or speak Lonzo. that's just me. I think some dynamic runs where you could go with with some misdirection like. Vacant side to Gibson counter to mckissick. There's some creativity that they're lacking with those two backs. Now I'm saying that I do believe Turner did Priya job mention the game plan but I do think you want to say who are your five players right now I think you say Terry. maclaurin and then mckissick. In probably. Gibson Inman at three four. Goal is every five s players on Phil so byways. Gary Gibson and mckissick they'll. They'll spread mckissick out we don't. Rarely on the field at the same time, unless they're in the Backfield, the same time which rarely I mean how many I didn't count plays that they were in the backseat of the same time. But how many players on the field at the same time I don't know I think the most they were on the field in the backfield at the same time may have been week one. Yeah. So Gibson ends up with twenty five total plays mckissick ends up with thirty four total plays you ran sixty four total place. Just, a thought on that is operatives Gandhi golden played eighteen plays quickly vice we was pretty awesome if you want fly but we since great I'm sorry Gibson was a c plus in this game. I just to explain to potential or a turnover in another real potential turnover. Back Ball. BACKSTAB stamp football ground. Gandhi Golden. Age Eighteen plays a quick couple of good blocks. You had a drop on a bootleg in the third quarter Not Supposed to drop the ball right he's supposed to have a great aunt not worry not a great throw though yeah it was a good throws right out in front of one I'm talking about the one that was super low that that got caught and then got overturned. My. No I thought it was good. Okay. I actually didn't look that into. That got to be caught. If he just reaches out and grabs it throw. It was out in front of him by a foot in maybe a half low, really going rolling, right awkward, looking throw but that's a catch. That's that's to me. That's that's up you're. Doing did have the maybe three drops in this game. The player the just thought was funny. The fly sweep I love the Fleiss Week to Gandhi golden if there'd been a big play. Yard ten, twelve yards downfield and start stiff arming air. Pulls a stiff arm down at just gets up. If you watched that play if you want to go back and watch that play. About, twelve yards downfield is right on stiff arm anoma come on come on, and then he pulled couples down ban things a shot on the sideline. GIGGLED was in this game, sprinkle played six plays. The couple plays he was in, he was better six place doesn't end up. Getting A grade I'm not gonNA great by either. Really nothing to say goodbye or sprinkled but nothing negative either. Waiting, for the. Offense. Blind. Okay. This is easy for people to do want everyone to know. This is easy for people to do when a quarterback throws picks in one quarterbacks not playing. Well, it's the offense winds fault especially in the off into blind consists guys like drunk Christian West Martin West sweitzer chase. It is easy to do to save. They didn't play good. Play. Well, they did as grew to me. There was only seven total pressures in this ball game when they ran the ball I thought, there was some good push upfront. There was some good things that they did up front. let's start. With Christian. The negatives still too soft on the edges of run blocker at his side go your athletic go. You GotTa go besides ended up too much a little bit too soft. Turn his ass immediately. Hope in the whole. Now. Also keep in mind a couple of these Christian like you should almost this curve because a lot of it was miles care. Of course, you get a C. Plus in its myles Garrett. It's really name is okay. We can give them the a minus but go ahead giving thirty five on the. To the dude. Dude, on a no chance play, there was a third and five sacks that dwayne had to pull it down nobody open. The about just that one sack that was chance. Third and fifteen interceptions. But Bedouin on third and fifteen the short edge gives up quarterback. It gives up the sack fumble. Wait. I wanted to note one thing though this goes back to of my initial comment. The Dolphins Blind quarterback, the first play of the second half. We went through this a bunch of times we're GONNA, run extra pass and Dwayne could terry could hit him. Go back and watch this play. Garrett ends up really bowl rushing Christian back a little bit. But Christian stays with this block. He gets a self square any stays with it throughout the entire play in he doesn't hold any at least allows a scramble around edge for two yards. It's not awesome immediately but this is myles Garrett in he stayed with the play all day. There were so many plays. That Christie gets perspect- three or four yards by Garrett. But he's with the block. This was not a game that myles Garrett took over. MYLES GARRETT DID NOT WIN THE CLEVELAND Browns game. When you say that's the best player on the field for Cleveland. You didn't see it. When you want film, this would not be a game that myles Garrett would send into anybody. I'm not saying the Garrett didn't play well but I'm saying that Christian in Moses when they had to block him did a pretty good job. Give two or three of three pressures. Ultimately, I guess, it would be to sex because one pulled the jersey. Down on dwayne between tried to flush out but. GIVE UP A. Christian played pretty well, I mean. I see a graded a C plus but it was not as. So take it with a grain of salt. West Martin. His ball game was a B minus. West is pretty consistent player I'd like to see West. Again like I mentioned Christian in the run game. Go a little bit faster means like slow, ensure make sure I'm doing. Okay we'll take off. West Martin also had his hands full like Ogunjobi's really really explosive victim player that lawyer. Good player There was one play where Jovi ends up getting a five yard tackle for loss. It looks like just. Obviously. He did blow up Reay but they're double teaming job there in West Martin We always joke with this was the joke when you, West Martin supposed to post with his right arm. Job just inside of him, West is obviously on the left is supposed to post turn the shoulder in hand off to the guy coming, which would be the center. So give him a chance. What you're not supposed to do is throw Olympic out there. And that's really Don't throw them out there. Yeah. That's what it sounds like A. Sounds like bugle thing. They re route. What it probably was. Hey, come on. Come on stead. don't don't don't don't their Olympic dot com come across. The Great Leap Joe Bugle. The. Penalty on Martin. We're not even say was penalty. Does it wasn't people are going to downgrade him for that but we're not going to say that was penalty they just a penalty. Again, consistently, although getting bowed back sometimes in allowing suppressors found a way to stay square in stay in front of his guy. Shaves drouet as a pass defender. Awesome. In this game I thought Roo, a did a really good job not giving up pressure helping wearing needed to help on the interior. Like. Good rental run block glare. It's he's he's never going to be a guy that blows people off the Bob when you look the league, there's not a ton of centers that are going to be guys that blow people up the centers are usually in this league other than the best five guards that converted because they didn't have the power guard. That's eight. He's consistent center I thought was a be in this game. Takes me over to West sweitzer. Sweitzer has some place Schweitzer's got a little bit of a mean streak to him and he's got some toughness him. He's just got slow feet. Couples pleasance game here like what spicer getting after it man. But then loose blocks late. With. What was right Sir in this game and some of the last game I'd say finish blocks a little bit better to me again, pretty good in the. Pretty good. In the past game I thought Weizer. Job. In the past Kim, he was more effective as a run blocker. but not bad past game. Just slow feet so you get a stunt to inside. So a D. tackle over the top sweitzer in tackle right over goes outside smoke Moses. His job is the Hannam off the Moses flattened mountain stay swear. So the defensive end looping back can't get inside connotation. He knows what he's doing is just not quick enough to pass it back also gives up a couple interior pressures in the bogging I thought Sweitzer was. To me like an a minus in the run game a C., plus in the past game I, give him a B minus in this game and then lastly Morgan Moses. Morgan Moses is good as anybody in this game. I really. It's Nice when You go through a game and you go through your notes in I can go through Morgan Moses in. A Mike. Other than a couple pressures by the dude. Thinking who mean Garrett. Consistent sustain consistent stay square in the run game consistent finish in blocks. No penalties holding it looks like. A great right tackle right now I doubt more Muslims than any. Well, you've given him. I was just looking at the Grades Week one you gave Moses a minus last week he gave a B plus. but he was the highest offensive Lineman in this week, you've got him in a the the high I mean. You really liked the season Moses having so far. Now everybody keep your mind like last season. Moses was consistently my lowest great. Often he was also banged up consistently all last year. And I was concerned about his hip this week and missing little bit of practice and if they were going to bring Myles Garrett off his side of town. I think I. Remember telling you though like miles gerbil rush anywhere in the normally try to put myles Garrett on the weakest link. So they did there wasn't a ton of Russia's by Garrett. Over Moses there was plenty. You just don't think it's really nice. To finish play when you're watching film and just see a guy on a guy. especially in the past like he's on his. Co... Highest, rate highest graded players offensively Moses in a mckissick, a minus I have one question just one as a follow otherwise, no time on your part I I really wanted to get through it without major interruptions but I think your your discussion about Terri maclaurin was very interesting and I, I went back and looked at a couple of the deep shots and you really are so spot on it's it's a very, very interesting observation because I think most of our fans believed. The Terry maclaurin is an a plus receiver like he could. He could potentially be in elite receiver and what you said seems to be true when when I'm watching it and I even went back in and Watson someplace last week and the week before even on the ball that I thought, he could catch last week on the deep shot down the near sideline. He does not get on deep balls in in the long game in the deep game, he does not get great separation. You know he's got that were almost never. Yeah. He's got four three speed or at least that's what his forty time was coming out of Ohio state. But he's not wear a corner is like so fearful that he's GonNa run by a corner and get great separation. We're he gets great separation or in some of these matchups where they worked him in the slot against a linebacker and. You know in in some of the crossing routes which you know there's some stuff going on there. There's some traffic you know and he gets lost there and I think by the way after he has the ball in his hands and I mentioned this yesterday I think there's a real effortless way in which he runs after the catch that I really enjoy like it's not electrifying, but it is. Production like he's pulling away from people he's making people miss. But as a deep receiver, just a straight nine route. As as you might say, he doesn't look. He's got Denzel Ward on him. He's got a great corner on him but I, went back last week. He's not getting like incredible separation however remember last year early in the year when case keenum was quarterbacking think about the opener, how much separation he created on deep balls against the Eagles in the opener. So I? Guess that would be an argument to say, well, you can get him deep and he will get separation deep but I don't know what the difference is I. If you go through this year, it's not like in the on these long throws to maclaurin McLaren's like wide open and created a ton of separation. Now could be because the last two weeks, Denzel Warden Patrick Peterson. That could be the reason for that. And Safety. And and Sandy help and attended which which is one of those things where it's like maybe so. If we really talk about like his Terry What is? and. Z like Terry's is good as easy as it gets in this league if there's an ex who scares people. I'm not saying anything truly negative about Terry when I when I say this I just don't know if he's a guy that consistently can get over the top I also don't know if he tracks the ball as well as a lot of people down the field but yeah. Couple Games ago, where had that the winter a great ball over shoulder outside it's a there are guys that just always come up with that ball. I'm just I'm just going back to the Philadelphia Game. So in three games, he is faced sleigh. He's faced Peterson and he's faced Denzel word much of the time the place in which he's getting big plays on I haven't audited every single catch. But I know from Sunday, there were some really good matchups that Turner created with formation. You mentioned em empty set and him in the slot where they got a linebacker over him. and. We have not seen yet correct me if I'm wrong have we seen a big forty plus yard maclaurin catch this year on talking about deep downfield. Well, have you seen any? Yeah. He had a thirty. Not, in a rude way like I don't know if we've seen any deep downfield catches by the steam at all anything over twenty five yards so. I don't think we have seen a deep catch. I mean, it's just. The the other thing that to me speaks to it a little bit is in almost every game. There's a point where you sit there as a general, San and go. To Dublin they gotta do something here. Three weeks in a row nobody's doubled. Right. As they don't fear him getting over the top they're saying he's going to catch seven yards something got. We have to tackle. Not We can't cover this guy. It's we have to tackle the sky. To me that's that Z. A Z. That could be like CD LAMB or whatever. In Dallas where you have any, you have any week where you could have nine receptions for one hundred, eighty yards. and. If it's Terry either have. Ninety of them after the catch. But you need the. They knew that they tried to get that it tried to get Amari. Cooper It's it's a great point. It's why they offered Amari Cooper in outrageous sum of money because they view Terry Moore as z not an ex. They for those that don't know they view more as a number as a great number two, not a not an elite number one. It doesn't mean it can't have a league games and it doesn't mean that he's not a really good player because he is. But. In watching coolies, right. There's not a lot of concentration on doubling him. There's not a lot of fear of him beating you over the top. I'm trying to go back and find the game the eagles game last year from the opener. Now? I'm not suggesting that he will get over the top right in the season. It's it's just you're not going to see him over the top five times in a game wide open. Yet and that's just not who he is in the again, the please don't consider this as we neither Kevin. Both, think he's a great player. And, he's best weapon you have on offense. Is Just what is he? Had A. True. now, Terry becomes a massive problem for defenses Oh man well, I also becomes easier to get match ups and so you said the Phil Game I. Think it was the Philly game at home we got over the top two for a huge play Your. It's a third round rookie receiver. At that point at this point, it's Terry Maclaurin the best weapon that Washington ask your. And let's again. Are One quarter will will always cover and let's not minimize Darius slay. Patrick Peterson Denzel Ward in the first three weeks. Look at his stats on that. Yeah. Pretty Damn impressive. nope. Pretty Damn impressive. It's just look at his run after the cat stat. That's all. Yeah, and then this week obviously really good defense and he's GonNa. He's GonNa face up either Marcus. Peters or Marlon Humphrey both really good corners So. It's it's GonNa be a while it would appear before he gets like a matchup where somebody can't run with them. Right. Because it's who do they play after the the Ravens. They play the rams, the Raymond of Ravens to the he'll have jalen Ramsey after that. I mean, seriously, they've started with some teams with some really good corners. Are Great Job defensive film breakdown tomorrow everybody have a great day.

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 525: Is Bell's Weight An Issue (2-25-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 525: Is Bell's Weight An Issue (2-25-2019)

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That's that's the that's the tasty dinner coming up with the appetizers before. Then. But we got some good things coming up. We gotta talk about the FBI lines of American football and turn running back. And maybe he deserves another chance NFL I'll give my take on that. We'll also talk about Levy on bell in his. Well, his team's concerns about his health, which will will say that. That sounds fair. Right. Yeah. That's I would say that sounds fair. And then we're moving on to other news, the NFL to earning football news, and general then we can talk about we will talk about the first things first since the title of the show is on Bella to- right into Levy on Bell's weight issues as recently he's been weighed in at two hundred and sixty pounds, and as a running back in the NFL who is top who was considered the best league one point before his absence last season to sixty is not the way you want to running back. Now, if you know Levy on bells well height as well. He's at six one. So you six one to sixty as of right now. And. What I have to say about that is there's some concern. I understand there's some concern based off the. Just the just the evidence of two sixty is a big problem when you're running back. He's not he's he wasn't known for his speed by any means. No, no question there. But. How I see this happening is the he's known to be patient running back one of those patient guys in the league. He read a Harry Potter novel and standing right there after he gets the ball and still get a six or seven your gain. Like, that's how good he is. When it comes down to it. But I think one of the most crucial things is is not a speed bag. He's more. He can can he can have a Bursa speed. Absolutely. But he's also has a lot of power to he's just he's just an all around explosive back, and that's what made him so deadly over the years. And so the the weight of to sixty maybe helps him be more power back share. But is he gonna stay this wait until the end of the till the season begins. I don't think. So personally there is actually he posted on Instagram me was Twitter on tireless. Sure, but he was working pretty heavily. And he was saying that to sixty will not be an issue. He basically just call that everyone those doubting his ability. Based on his weight at the moment, which is understandable. You want to just prove you make your point. But as he's still going to be a top ten running back league. Well, he's been gone for over over a whole season now, and that brings in concern all when it all comes down to just based off the facts that a euro euro, and no matter how hard you train in the offseason. Again, no matter how hard you work in practice going back into game shape going back into game mode. If you will is a big factor is a problem is a serious question, Mark. Because like, it's if you don't okay how about this? I'll listen if you. If you lift weights, and you just do the same workout legislated euchre Earls same weight every single day for the to say a year, then you take that. And then so as easy to you wanna hits December into it's calm. It's your body's used to it. Going to next year. You take a whole year off? And then January one the next way to hold twelve months. Then once again, you start up, and you try to live the same way and China this girl's it's gonna be difficult for you. You're almost back to square one because you took a whole year off of not doing that simple thing. I'm not saying the Levy on bell is gone to a point where he hasn't done. Anything a year? He obviously did some things I'm hoping. But regardless I would say that a year off from the league is still a major concern is still a big question, Mark, even when it comes down like fantasy football. Like is he going to be still a top pick advance football? I mean, I saw him in number one pick for multiple leagues when it came down to it and eating play game. So obviously, he's moved down in those rankings. We'll talk more about on the Finnish football podcast tomorrow. But. I think that it's still a serious concern all things considered that we're looking into his. Potential. And what I mean potential. I just mean like is he had like comeback player of the year like numbers, you know, or like MVP like numbers like he's had in the past. Like, that's just how I see mainly this going is it's a big. It's a big concern is a big concern for teams he's asking for a lot of money a lot of money, and it's all gonna come down to who's willing to take that risk is if team like the coal to plenty of money to give up putting money to play money to burn the jets for Niners were in that talk. The raiders like who's going to be willing to take up this opportunity and risk all this money. Basically because it's you're risking a lot of money for this guy. You're always gonna have to pay a lot of money. No question about him. But I think the main concern is will he be worth that? Will he be worth the ticket price? If you will. Because if he turns out not to be a stellar running back, if he turns out to be struggling if you turns out to be having a slump here that's a waste of a year contract that you paid a lot of money to up to probably eighty million dollars. Because that's kinda like what he's look around the point where he's asking for. I think last time I checked, but who knows what it actually is going to be. But. It's one of these factors in where you're looking at. There's gonna be a big risk involved in taking him maybe a bigger originalist people realize. But again, that's just my take on it will I still try to talk to them trying to get a contract. We'll one hundred percent. Yes, it's still top in the NFL levian belt. He's also a draw. He will be getting a lot of is on the product. That'd be good for not just the team. But for the business of the team as well. Because let's be honest. Every team is a business. It's a business. It's an organization so. How I see this going down. At least is he will get this money. He will get this massive contract. But it's update him to live up to that bargain. Because I not be surprised if he doesn't live up to the hype someone I won't cut them just based on contractual purposes because that would be foolish, but I mean, they're going to be looking like, oh, we're in trouble. Now, you just took the if you don't if you don't play to the worth of the cab the cashier asking for then the team you just signed to is now going backwards instead of forward. And I think that's a huge sit huge concern when it comes down to signing on Bill, and and this whole Wayne in two hundred and sixty pounds saying is that key concern, obviously. But when you look comes down to it. I think that it's worth the risk. I really do it. Maybe didn't sound like I was going to that point. But yes, he's one of those special talents where I think he can get back into what he's used to in the NFL, and he's a very unique running back and how like again, his patients is one of his key strings. His his main keys for honesty is like his patients and his is II when it comes to running with the football. So looking at it like that you gotta take a chance on a guy like that. Because the not lot of times. This guy's gonna be available in Frazier market like this. And of course, the colts jets and other teams of that nature. Maybe the raiders to. Have the money to pay him or are willing to pay him? So I guess that is a big conversation when it comes onto a when March thirteenth when the official season starts will see how all that transpires. But again, we gotta wait about a little under month. Though, we got a little on a month left until that time is upon us. And we will see because I'm not sure if this is the year of like, the Levy bell sweepstakes visas still a lot of other graphic democracy Lawrence's available in the free market like in twenty Brown might be a is probably to be traded this offseason, which sounds like that's going to be the foregone conclusion based off his Instagram pros with are ruining and how they elbow. Both say they want to quote unquote, move on. So there is a lot of talk and there's a lot of conservative concern. But there's a lot of question marks regarding a lot of teams going into this free agency in Levy on Belsky be the talk of the town. If you will when it comes down to it and. Yeah. I just think that but for the then you look at the sealers perspective since we're talking about living on Bill. They're gonna lose the umbrella. That's a foregone conclusion there's eating a bigger up bigger chance to them also in Tokyo Brown off season and then getting a lot of money and dead cap for this season and next season. Is it time for the do something? They probably have never even done before. And that's rebuild look into a rebuild. Don't look to win. Now look to rebuild maybe move on not just from the to your to top position players in Levy on Bill and Antonio Brown, maybe moving on from Ben Rothlisberger. Because he's always been a serious concern. I we talked about this on the show with Mark for he left like this. He might be considered a cancer. And because he's kinda in that place in his career where he thinks he's can get away with everything Ben Ben Rothlisberger. Aiming? And so that's a serious concern to Mealey's base off. That fact, and when it comes down to it, maybe it's time to move on not just from him. Autists redeeming just like fine of quarterback in the draft. Maybe or in free free agency. I'm not sure when there will even consider doing that. Because I think once I think been on his own terms and not get the opportunity they're not gonna have him cut or released or anything like that. It's gonna be on his terms Ben Robbins burgers. I mean, not the teams itself. So. Overall. I want to say that there's going to be a lot of question marks regarding the Steelers next year's I don't see them making the playoffs next season. I really don't. In the first I believe the for some error. They will make it two years in a row without making the playoffs. Ebbing they've been nine hundred they've in usually contenders. I mean, we've seen them in the patriots go toe to toe in the playoffs more times than most teams played each other in the last fifteen years when it comes down to like regular season stuff and. Basically, they're run is kind of like the Niners in the Cowboys of the nineties because like from I ninety when the Cowboys manage those to backtrack Superbowls they played the Niners in those game in the NFC championship game before that Super Bowl then in ninety four then played again in that was when the Niners went onto win the Super Bowl and so on so forth like they face each. Other more NFC championship games in most probably have ever played each other in general. So like that's like fifteen sixteen times. It's truly remarkable. And with all of these appearances in facing in big playoff games. It's kinda like what you see in the. In the Steelers and pay patriots now. But I think we're at a point where this is going to be the end of the Steeler nation era that might mean the Mike Tomlin air, maybe ten will my Tomlin as well. Because there's always everyone thinking, I should be fired a long time ago. Maybe I'm not sure I'm not gonna judge gonna make that decision myself. But I really do think that maybe the Steelers have to omit this and it's getting hard to admit, it's not gonna be easy. But you gotta be looking towards the future rather than winning now because you might not be able to win now. That's just my take on it. But we're gonna take a short break. We'll make about go talk a little bit the lions American on particular running back. And if he deserves an opportunity in the NFL once again, but we'll be right back when we get back to you. Are you looking for help for your fantasy football team? Check out the GSM see fantasy football podcast. Get today's best advice to start who to sit even who you should draft from sleeper. Picks red hot lineups. They got it all covered for you. That's GSM see podcast dot com. Backslash fantasy dash football. Dash broadcast. We'll cover traditional leagues dynasty Yar even DP leads when you need fantasy. Hope there's just one show to hit up. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GS MC podcast dot com. For more info. Welcome back. The GSM see football podcast a little bit of breaking news here. If he remember any watches the show last chance you the head coach of the independence community college football team Jason Brown. He was on season. Three of the Netflix series last year. It's you was on Sunday. Which was yesterday after allegedly telling German player on the team quote. I am your new Hitler and quote. And obviously that is. Something that is quite offensive to some people based off the. Well, the just ramification saying you are you're comparing yourself to one of the most how do I say this Willis hate him in the history of mankind? I think that's fair to say. And so it's a very sensitive subject to because we still have survived from that era who had it deal with the awful events that happened in Germany. So it's always it's obviously a very. It's a it's a sensitive topic very sensitive topic. And. He Brown poses resignation letter Sunday night on Twitter writing it would be nearly impossible to stay here. You're of this story last week in the Montgomery County chronicle which reported a Tex-Mex team, Brandon freshman player Alexandra's projects butcher this Alexandros likes. You Alex like seal I. Alexandros Alex, sue? I think I'm politics. I that. The player post the tax on social media, referring to disrepair points. Brown allegedly wrote at four ten pm on field. You german? He called him a German. Well, the F word you have seventeen points towards the twenty five points. You got an extra point. You're not hanging the lion post as instructed I'm your new Hitler figure out your life. Little harsh little little much. It's just just sometimes I understand you're trying to be this hard a hard nose coach type of thing. It's part of maybe part of the show non tireless. Sure. But it looked like through text message also. So if just feels like. An unnecessary. Necessary attack. If you will maybe not in the time. Maybe that's the wrong word and unnecessary criticism and necessary being like, the harsh coach, you know. But regardless I think it's one of those things where. You just can't come back from it. You know, it just like that something you're. I just I just I think it's wrong. I just don't think it's a it's like saying something about the KKK or something of that nature. Just something that is affected a lot of lives in the facts you'll to this day. So maybe it was just not the right time or the place to and poor circumstances to mention that kind of hate if you will. But that is reasoning breaking news Sunday he'd that yesterday. He just resigned. So it has come to that is come to that where he's crossed a line. And he cannot come back from it. But moving on. It's time to move on. And talk about the af because we had some games this weekend. Actually, very entertaining games. All things considered with one of those games having the number three overall pick. A former number three overall that is trim Richardson's going three rushing touchdowns looked pretty solid throughout the entire game for the Birmingham iron in their win. But I think the main question is not how he's been playing in the af, but he's been playing the in a positive matter that does he deserve in other opportunity in the NFL. And I say that because he those no really remember. He was a mean for a good long period of time. And when I mean by name is there's always pictures of him run the football up the middle and instead of going to there was one particular hole, which was the size of Texas. And said going that way he went to the other side where the whole was plugged in by multiple lineman. So how I see that going down is just that's always been the joke of the matter. At least maybe not the joke of the matter. But like it really dampered his career. But how you're looking at it overall is the fact that. Maybe he does deserve a second chance. And I say that because of the facts some teams just running back, and this is what the af is. Or it's for second chances for players first chances for a lot of those players and bring that into into. I would say it's premature to be honest to do it. Now, wait to the end of the season of the AFL east. And then see how is overall stats were. And if you need backup Bernie MAC, if you need third runningback, you just need someone Phillips roster spot. Then what there's absolutely no harm into going and taking a picking him up in a with a minimum with a small contract. And basically senior he's seen. We can get them in turn. And then he takes advantage into a long term deal. So that's that's my take on it. At least like. I don't think there's no harm in any team taking him to be honest. Like, honestly, Tampa Bay would need would like would use him could use definitely use him as a running back. Of places that would he would not go is Cleveland because they just got cream hunt. And the question is will he even go to his Pro Bowl like style after his controversy has been gone. He's been out of the NFL for little over a quarter of season. I guess you can say, but I guess it's nothing compared to Levy on bells entire year. But honestly, if interesting got a chance to play in the NFL and the preseason or something I would think that's a great opportunity to really show that he's capable of return of being back in the NFL. But I think due to his recent experiencing NFL being drafted by Cleveland and being traded to the colts and virtually being doing nothing and not doing anything. But impressing anyone? Really put him in a doubtful mind to to lot of play to GM's in a teams that might be considered to looking at running backs and picking him up. So. That is the main concern for me personally is his history's gonna play factor in what kind of contract he gets kind of opportunities. We'll get in the future. Maybe his run with the Birmingham iron is his last opportunity like or is his last chance of playing football. Who knows what is going to come about this? But. With that. Birmingham. Iron did win their game against the Atlanta legends very legendary Cicero and three bring the Birmingham iron to three. No there other undefeated team in the af is the Orlando. Apollo is Steve Spurrier as their head coach, which is pretty surreal all think about because of his history as a coach in the NFL in the Washington Redskins infamously for those don't remember. That's my point exactly because it was very spree. If it was like. It wasn't to the point of like less than a season. Of course, like a certain falcon doled falcons head coach that went to Arkansas after only fourteen weeks in to his first season for the falcons, which was Bobby paternal, which was arguably the worst head coaching hire a full history. So it only seeks very was that bad. But he did try bringing his old Florida gator team. It's just it's just long story. Anyways, that's for another time, obviously. But regardless I think the fact of the matter is when it comes down to the af it's not just those players. They're getting another opportunity. It's those coaches look at Mike singles, obviously, I don't think he's getting other head coaching job by any means to his poor star with the Memphis with methods express. And then there's also the point of the fact that Steve Spurrier if he continues this run, maybe he gets another opportunity. I mean, I mean we've seen crazier things happen. I mean, we've seen Jon Gruden who hasn't played in the NFL coaching fell. Excuse me since what two thousand five to six roughly, maybe maybe less than that. I'm not sure, but. Regardless. I think it's going to the lines of. Chances are surprising, especially Jon Gruden getting ten years one hundred million dollars. So I mean seems very gets a couple years on a contract. I will not be surprised just due to the fact that Jon Gruden got that contract. But yeah, that's my take on it. But we will take a short brief break when we come back. We'll be talking more about the combine and some questions that we need to have when it comes down to certain players. We'll be right on that. When we return. Check out the show. It's built on the m a from UFC two extreme cage fighting they got the fights covered checkout. GSM see 'em podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in the m past president future. When it's the fight game. There's just one show to check out GSFC podcast dot com back slash M. E dash podcast. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GSM see podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome GMC football podcast before we get into the combine. I wanna talk about something a little more interesting. Maybe a little more depends on your opinion on the subject. But the NFL committee is meeting today to talk about the NFL replaying expanding it, and obviously this comes to the terms of the infamous pass interference call that was not called in the NFC championship game between the Los Angeles Rams and the New Orleans Saints that kind of led into that was a key factor in what gave the Rams the win. You can say and get them to the Super Bowl. And obviously they did not take that to the Super Bowl because they lost thirteen at three in the lowest scoring Super Bowl of all time. The only Super Bowl that only had one touchdown no passing touchdowns and probably the most boring rule of all time, and it was crazy disappointing. But I will we've already talked about planning about how this. It was disappointing. This was to to the best offenses in the NFL going at it. But regardless with this NFL committee, the rule committee, or whatever the committee is actually called the competition committee. That's what's called then talking about expanding the replay, the I don't exactly know how you can make the rules. So that it's fair to look at. Certain calls that are missed like a key holding call or key off sides, call or key pass interference call or a key roughing the passer call like. Where does the limit? Where is the limit? Is. It ending only. Does do you expend to only pass interference calls only four down calls? You look at it. Like, where do you look at replays for penalties? Because that's where you're gonna get a little kind of mixed of it's going to be a jumble there in where. It's gonna be an issue now. I'm I would think yes, I would agree with the fact that there should be some more looking into penalties when it comes to instant replay and challenging penalties. I totally get that. I think that needed to be done a while ago because there's been multiple calls in phantom calls that have happened where there wasn't a penalty. And there was penalty thrown like the AFC championship game actually going in there with the Reverend passer call on Tom Brady where he'd even follow a tackle. He just got hit in the shoulder with an arm. And I think everyone was like, are you kidding me? That's a pass interference. I personally didn't see it as pass interference either. But it's one of those fan phantom, no calls that also could have been viewed an overturned or it was a phantom penalty penalty did happen. But you could maybe challenged it in theory and overturned it in ways because they thought he hit his head or other Nate effects of that nature. But. Regardless there is a gray area when it comes down to NFL and replays and challenging for penalties. Like. You can do down by contact. You can do fumbles. You can do touchdowns. You can do all that stuff. That's not the issue. The issues is the challenging for penalties might be almost too frequent when it comes down to NFL games because of how frequent these penalties are missed and or are called wrong. And so with that I say there needs to be something done about what exactly are you going to challenge? What exactly what penalties are eligible for to be challenged? And are they up to coach to review or is it up to the replay booth to review that the ruling on the like a challenge on the field or like do you give an extra challenge to the team? So they have three challenges. I I'm trying to trying to think of any other possible explanations of how this could all. Work out fairly for everybody. Because that's where mainly this is all gonna go. Because this has to be agreed upon and to to my knowledge has not unanimously agreed on, but it has to be on greed on a majority and with that I look into this and seeing this NFL competition committee. I think it's mainly on long. The lines of like. How is this fair? And how does is change the way the game is played because if there are challenges to penalties. I see it as you gotta make sure that it's limited in a certain way. You can't just have it as you could challenge any single no call or calling the field. And you say what do you challenge them challenge, you that was a pass interference caller so on and so forth offsides calling us on. And so forth. So. They're trying to speed up the games, obviously that would slow down the games dramatically. If challenges were also working for. Interesting. We're working for penalties. And there might be. A nuisance when it comes into that. Maybe that's not the right word, but a certain situation where? You might tune out of the game because there is doing too many frequent challenges not just by the booth by the team as well. By the coaches of win to tell for a penalty. Now, maybe the best situation is to do penalties. Only only a certain a certain penalty like only you can only challenge pass interference calls and roughing the passer calls or passenger fares. Passenger fans will be one of the if they limit the penalties away. You can challenge passer is definitely gonna be one of them. And the question is maybe it's is it just be pass interference. Or is there to be expanded to more? Like that's the ultimate question. You know? So. It's in a situation where we're in this gray area when it comes to reviews. Now, my guess would be. Guy said they're gonna limit the penalties you can challenge, but they will add them to like what you can review. And if they only had one it's gonna be it's gonna be passionate appearance, obviously. But if the end more will most likely be possibly roughing the passer possibly a face mask possibly anything. Maybe running into the kicker roughing the passer something of Brenning roughing, the kicker or anything like into that situation. But. If it was to it would definitely be facemask capacitor Fearance. I believe those are the two calls that are widely missed and criticize the most I feel like, of course, pass interference. But that's not really the players falter like the the rest of all them really near. They're really cracking down on that kind of penalties. More than usual to a point where people are getting really angry by it. So maybe it's on and move on from that. So who knows but overall you're looking at the facts that maybe just maybe? Those penalties need to be reviewed in need to be changed not all of them. But some, but then of course, the question is what's the some like what's the limit? And to be told who knows? But again, I don't know. But Louis on we're gonna talk about the combine a little bit here. And with the combine coming up actually starts tomorrow Technic everything starts tomorrow. But the on field stuff last time to start on Friday. So. That is going to be like when the forty happens and all those exercise stuff arrows in-between that time is when we're getting the height and weight and all that other stuff, especially that's the biggest Colin Murray for sure based off the fact that if he's five nine or shorter he's dropping in the draft supposedly if he is five ten five eleven Highgrove Russell Wilson. Then he's going to be looked at a lot more highly maybe drafted lumber higher. But the thing is with that the quarterback class. Anyone it there's no guarantee who's the first quarterback taken? It's kinda like last year a little bit. There's of course, twain Haskins how state who's arguably going to the giants, which is were mainly a lot of mock drafts come from which I agree which I can totally see happening because the fats like in Ohio State quarterback is always highly touted, especially in this this particular players, very. Talented himself. So I think it's a big upside just like a column does. But then you also look at like ju walk kinda not as looked at his highly or not looked at as maybe Faeroese the right word, but maybe just not as highly highly hyped up. There you go. That's the perfect highly hyped up as the other those two is always has gins in column or the two hyped up ones. You couldn't even see Dan Jones is pretty high up, but he's actually projected even even smaller down when it comes down to the. Thirty-second pinky. There's rumor things going to be going to the patriots, which may be the best situation for any of the quarterbacks to be completely honest with you. But if I had to pick a best place for quarterback. I don't want them to be starting right away. I said it's on the sports podcasts as well. And when I mean by that is you look at so many times a player starts off right away. The me it started for the team and immediately struggles and the only rare K only the rare talents. The rare cases to me is where you see in actual progression. Like a highly touted player after that a pain manny's one of those wear sumptious where he starts off really slow courts, culture and three and thirteen is first year, and then he goes into because Rb one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And then you look at. Let's say a Ryan leaf I go right there. He got immediately started start off pretty, okay? Like first couple of games. And then just went off to face the earth just did the worst. So it's one of those things where I would rather have a quarterback drafted not start right away. And marinate licking Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes. He's he marinated for a year. Now looking he's arguably the best quarterback in the NFL right now fifty touchdown passes over five thousand yards. It really shows his talents. And maybe he needed that time on the sideline before getting writing to throw it into the right into the into the fire. So that's just how I see it at least personally just don't throw him right into the fire yet let marinate for a little bit. So if drafted if a quarterback it's your out to buy Jacksonville. I feel like he's going to be made immediately start or Miami or Washington there could not start off so hot because they're throat right into the fire and getting all this. This not hype. But just all this. What's the word? I'm looking for. They get all this. Pressure pressure on them. Because of the fact that they're going to be looking at you need help us now. But in the reality the drought is to help you win later. The draft is the draft is to me. I've always thought of the draft is it's not winning. Now, it's helping you become better in the future. It helps you become better later on because he's kids are twenty twenty one years old twenty two sometimes and going into the next five six years. They're going to be getting better and better better because they're still young when they get drafted at the time. So they can only improve. But if you put all that pressure run away, some crumple some rising occasion, of course. But some crumble in you know, I just think some some guys are fair shot and not get over hype going into the draft. I understand that drought is a big big deal. But sometimes you a lot of these draft prospects are three to four year plans, not sixty second plans, and boom are you gonna be are starting to be our best player? You know? I think it's a little fair. But that's just my personal opinion. And then you're looking also at the line lines of like that is so crucial for quarterbacks to get the most pressure, and maybe like is a receiver like this is only for certain Manta positions. Of course, like, of course quarterback. I would even put like even maybe limit the mandates for linebacker or running back or a wide receiver. I know there's some rare occasions that are very there's cases where a superstar comes alive in his rookie year. Saquon Barkley is a perfect example that have been last year where he became rookie of the year. And the ultimate question is. Will that mean? Is only for the quarterbacks to marinate. I don't think. So I think you need to regardless of what position keep them limited number of downs or sets or whatever you wanna call them or quarters and don't put them in for a full game yet because they haven't even gun used to a full of the NFL yet. So maybe give them the opportunities to perform, but don't get them in a position where they have to perform at a high level or else, it's complete failure. Because that's the worst part about this whole draft. Is these guys get so many different? Mounts a pressure that it's it's sometimes too much and it's not fair. And I understand I completely understand that that just how might take on at least. But you know, that's I think for the quarterback position with the spots unknown who's gonna go where and who's gonna be the first quarterback taken because that could be anybody's game. Still not just Wayne Hoskin signed just kind of Murray, but the lock and Daniel Jones debates as well. But if I had to make a guess. You know, I think twain Haskins is probably the best maybe not the best option. But I would be the most the most safest option. He's got. He's got the size. He's got the ability. He doesn't have a lot of questions. He has question where everyone question was going to the draft, obviously. But I think it's more along the lines of just like NFL ready now for teams go form, but if the giants Haskins, and he goes behind ally. Manning I feel like there's the sky's the limit for the kid same with goes with anyone who gets shot by the giants. The giants is like if you were getting paid too early there the ideal place not just because there'd be the first team to look for a quarterback. But. You're going to be behind you. I manning again. I think it's I think he lies to stay. I don't see why he wouldn't stay. But again, I could be wrong. But if he does stay he'll continue to be the starter without question. So I think being behind him marinating him like Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes do with Alex Smith. I think it will work out. Great. I really do. But then if you get to Washington, you got thrown into the lion's den, then you might not be as favorable, but I could be totally wrong. Maybe these guys are ready to start right away. Who knows but? We're gonna do we are gonna take a short break when we come back. I will you know, what I'm gonna do my own mock draft just to sign right here right now my own mock draft, and we'll get right on that. When we were turned. Out this show built around the women of from the UFC to the extreme cage fighting we got the fights cover the Golden State media concepts women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming flights discussions reviews. Matt is killing us as we talked to about the biggest names women's mixed. Martial arts past present and future. When it's the women's fight game. You know to listen to the Golden State media concepts women's MMA podcast. Mabel podcast. It's time to mock draft for this coming. Draft sense, regardless. I thought I get my own trap to the top ten picks. Just a I'll do a full draft probably full mock draft when it comes down to. I don't know if I'll be here by that point. But who knows but I wanted to get my Jeff off mock draft and the first couple of picks are pretty general just put everyone I was just saying, but then I kinda mix things up. We'll go first pick Arizona. They're just going to go with Bosa. I think that it's probably the best. And he just highly touted it just seems like no one else could go first, maybe quit Williams. But it just seems like it's it's the number one pick. And it just seems like he's naming not undoubtedly but he's given like ninety percent chance of getting picked number two forty Niners. Go Josh Allen. He's at great edge rusher. And they need an edge rusher in a linebacker as well to compliment, the divorce Buckner who's become a man of his own recently. And twelve sacks this last season had a pretty good season overall, Beverly they definitely need help on the defense side. So I think Josh Allen be a perfect boost to that defense especially in the past rushing, which would help out the kind of low. Mediocre second year they have besides Richard Sherman. Of course, they need help on the other side of the other end the other ends of the secondary positions in Josh Ali perfect help rushing the passer number three for the jets. Quinton williams. Just Alabama's freak nature. And the jets could definitely use a guy like that inside on the defensive line and just power through and help out that defense any which way shape or form. So yeah, you go quarterback last week. Yes. Last year with darnold and eagle. This Williams has a pretty good one two punch, but on the defensive side and the offense aside. So that's where I'll go with number four. This is going to be the raiders pick. I'll I think they're going to be like, Sean Gary from Michigan. They do moving up on some draft boards. If you see if you see some highlights on the man's a monster. Like, if if you think like when Williams and all those guys are pretty big powerful dues. This thing up there too with them. And I feel like he can definitely put a boost on that raiders defense. And we all know that Jon Gruden Love's defense at team, and he loves powerful, strong guys. So he was gonna go defense. I think the best vailable player defensively that would. Fit his idea of great defensive player in my at least would be Sean Gary from Michigan and moving on. I have my first trade. And this is a tree that will maybe upset Johnson giants fans. I'm not sure, but Jacksonville will trade in swift picks with a temporary Buchan years, and maybe a future second may maybe six conditional fifth maybe something about nation, but they will swap their first round picks and probably a conditional fifth at best may maybe even more who knows? But. Jacksonville will trade up and move up a couple of spots and take that fifth pick and they will drive column ary. Yes. They were shocked the world there. I think it's almost destiny to draft a quarterback. I think it's necessary for them judge quarterback losing Blake Bortles. They need to move on from him and getting a high touted core back in column Murray the Heisman Trophy winner would definitely help out Jacksonville in a team that can has a great defense still but just needed help in the off into side to move them. They were in the AFC championship game two years ago. So it can only mean better things long run. If you go get a collar Maury that can I'm always I'm still on the on the terms of marinate, the guy I, but if they're looking to to boost their team in any way, shape or form just to make their offense as a tad better. Maybe Meri's that guy is y'all starts and ends with the quarterback. And so with the giants out of luck when it comes to kala Marie. I don't think they were going for Kyle Murray. I just said this trade because I think the Jaguars wanna play it safe. And I have the risk of losing column. Ary if they're keeping around him over to Haskins, then the giants they were were the giants might take them. Understandably. So giants need a quarterback this draft. They need when they have to pick one. And for the six pick the giants draft Dwayne Haskins Ohio State. And I think he's all he could be the best quarterback big upside of quarterback coming into this traffic as well depends on how culinary does at the combine height wise, but granted doing Haskins is a great. Quarterback to be in line. And I think if they keep manning, and he'd B's backup for Eli think he will be like benefiting just as patch Mahomes benefited being backup to Alex Smith that first season. So honestly doing Haskins is the best case in our for Avery quarterback. And that is to go to the giants number seven since Tampa Bay traded which axel they are on the clock, and they take clean feral, the Clemson Clinton edge rusher and some people have in pretty low some have them high. But I have him here. Number seven. I think I bought form some say Tempe would take greedy Williams. I think they go for this powerful Edris because this isn't edge rusher class for shore, and Tim obey will definitely take boost up that defense number eight four the Detroit Lions, they select greedy Williams who was highly out as them five pick for Tampa Bay in some mock dress most. Drafts I've seen, but I think he drops here. Not based on his talent just based off how many talented edge. Russia's are in quarterbacks drafted ahead. So I think lions take up on boosting up their secondary big ten beginning the six three corner from LSU. So I think it's a perfect place. Maybe not a perfectly degree Williams. But a perfect place for the lions take a good corner of that caliber as for the number nine pick the bills to protect to protect their Josh Allen their quarterback they will slay Jona Williams that have Alabama the number one offense tackle in the draft. The size has been a question Mark for him. But it's all, but it's been his feet work and his ability to in that in that category to make him the number one offense tackle of Lyman just offense lineman in general and with Joanna Williams being drafted here that definitely boost up there off the line to help out Josh Allen, and they get lucky by him. Joan Williams dropping to number nine because he was touted doing number three number four up there in that area. But the address have become their own separate class, basically. And that's why a lot of the other category category position players are dropping and it's for number ten Denver. They stick them ten. There was talk with them trading up. But I had them staying where they are. Number ten Denver Broncos. Select Ed Oliver Houston who was arguably the second pick in the draft at one point. He drops to number ten to den Denver's lap, which only helps out von Miller in that defense. And that is my top ten picks and to recap joy Bosa number one Josh Allen number to the forty Niners. Number three Quinn Williams to the jets number four, Sean Gary to the raiders never five trade Tich for Jackson Jackson gets that pick now. And with Colin Murray. Number six twain Haskins to the giants number seven clean Farrell to Tampa Bay after their trade with exchanging picks with Jacksonville and probably Guinea picks after that Emmer eight gre- Williams cornerback out of LSU to Detroit Lions number nine Jona Williams. Offense alignment for the to the Buffalo Bills from the university of Alabama. And then number ten Ed all over out of Houston going to Denver now, if that's just my ideas, at least, that's my mock draft, obviously, nothing in stone till those until April. But I think this is pretty clean draft class. At are pretty -treme lock mock draft is based on these. These are some there's a trade in there, and there's obviously quarterback positioning and a lot of Ed Rogers. But again, this is a highly touted edge rusher class, maybe the best edge rusher class because of how many available Ed rushes there are in just in general how could defensive players are in this draft. You really can't go wrong with a lot of these guys. But that is our show today. Thank you so much joining us, please tune in tomorrow as we will continue to talk about football. Hopefully, news comes about of anything up particular. But I will give you anything. I can make you entertain with this podcast. But it's always I'm Jeff Mellon off. And I'll see you next time. You've been listening to the Golden State immediate concepts football podcast part of the good state media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes stitches soundcloud, Google play. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 538: Josh Rosen's Future (3-28-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 538: Josh Rosen's Future (3-28-2019)

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the Golden State media concepts football podcast, your latest news on and off the field. Be it college football big ten SEC big twelve Pac twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered. Listen to the Golden State media. Cut sets football podcast. Hello, everybody. And welcome GSM. See football podcast barraged by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff Mellon off. And let's see what's on the agenda for today. We got the alliance American football possibly folding due to. Well. We'll talk about it. Also, Josh Rosen is potential trade. And there are three teams interested in the acquisition of one. Josh Rosen to form first-round pick last year. Arguably the potential number one overall pick last year, but drop down to the cardinals lap as it really didn't turn out very well. But also, we will be talking about the new passenger fears rule that has been chained. So now they can review will we also will discuss that as well as well also briefly during retiring his career with the well, yes, we're talking right now he had a great career with the Packers want SuperBowl ring and kind of let let. Let himself down during the raiders tenure. But he was a great player. Nonetheless. And also how executives are word by Antonio Brown in the trade of him to the Oakland Raiders. And what could this mean for the future? We'll talk all about that. In just a moment. First. Let's talk about Josh Rosen and his potential trade from the cardinals. Well, let's three teams because there are three teams have seen most intrigued in acquiring Josh Rosen. And obviously, they're not teams that wanna make his starter right away. And I think that's the best thing for him. Because I am a guy that says this countless times. Quarterbacks especially in the NFL when they're drafted should not start right away. They should be on the bench seconds during and marinate trying to trying to figure out the playbook as well. Because it was play books are. Extremely long. And and of course, they probably don't have a lot of time to actually learn those playbook in time for the regular season to begin let alone the preseason. And so. It's just to me. I always thought there like set up for failure. If they're starting right away. I feel like only a very few select of evenly like I've said this before pain manning when three and thirteen is first year, then he went thirteen three see it's all about marination. And I mean look at as early as Patrick Mahomes one year off and then boom, he's an NFL MVP. So I think it's all on the lines of you gotta give these guys time to marinate it used to play buggies? The offense get used to the pace that the NFL is. And then you can let them loose. Only a few guys can be let loose right away. I know Baker Mayfield had a great season last year twenty six touchdown passes. I get that. But I would much rather have my first round draft quarterback sit out for at least one season then put him into the wolves right away and have him have his confidence broken. I'm the I'm the advocate of that's kind of situation and where Josh Rosen might be ending up. Whether it's the patriots the chargers or the giants. Those are three teams that are actually the most interested in him. Those all three are great places. Just base out. The fact they already have a starting quarterback. The giants have ally patriots have Brady. And of course, the chargers have rivers, and I think it's just a great. It's a win win in that scenario John and for Josh Rosen. He gets to go to new team behind veteran quarterback marinate for about a year. L least one year. For the patriots are probably be more for the chargers. Probably more for the giants might be. I'm at least than most two seasons of behind Eli manning and then. And then you you cannot why no contracts next year. But if they recent a one year deal that would not surprise me. So what I'm just saying is like there's so many more. There's so much better opportunities when you're Ohio and the veteran quarterback when you're first starting rather than starting right away into the wolves. I just liked that turning point during that whole scenario and with these guys offering stuff for the cardinals. If the kernels do take before the draft these these traits. It's a foregone conclusion that column he's going number one and overall like this seemed to be like the Nick Bosa draft. But all these didn't turn out that way. It looks like is going to go number one. So is that good for the cardinals? Or is that even better for the number two overall pick which is could be the forty Niners or they trade that picnic, and hey, you guys can get Nick boasts up. Give us a couple of first round picks for the future. And we'll give you this pick. That's obviously a complete. That's a theory of which what they will. But I'm thinking more along the lines of the financial looking at a top one of the top defensive players in the draft. And then I get the if into Nick Bosa if column goes number one, so this might be a huge boost for the forty Niners as they just Ford and Quantel exander for their defense. This can only improve it as well as the great defensive lineman. That voice has become a twelve sacks last season. This could really boost the forty Niners. If they do if the cardinals do take Marie at number one. So who wins in that trade do either? The patriots giants charters when the trade for trading. I believe they're all talking about a second round pick for Rosen, which seems about right to me. And then you're looking at the cardinals getting column ary with the number one pick and an extra second round pick or looking at the number two footing. Niners overall pick where they will get the best defensive player in the draft in either Quinton Williams, Nick Bosa or Josh Allen, or anyone for that matter that's going to be valuable. So it's gonna be an interesting tragedy Lisa's release the road to Nashville Tennessee, where the drives is being held. I do like the fact they're actually change in this nation these draft twos big big-time stadiums. Because last like it's becoming a phenomenon is big deal. The info draft is. So we'll see everything turns out. Honestly, I don't think we'll see another quarterback selected after caller Marie for into like the teens. Because like I thought the or I guess there's also the giants doing Haskins. But if they do get Josh Rosen, they're not gonna draft a quarterback. So again were back to maybe twain Haskins gets dropped like a light or like a like a rock and get selected than the teens. You know, it just seems that there's a lot of different scenarios that can happen when it comes down to the Josh Rosen. If he does get traded. And where does he traded what happens what's the outcomes and all this other things? So that right now is the biz stories of the NFL like if Josh Rosen going words, he going to in what four and so we narrowed it down to about like said the three teams of patriots the charges in the giants. And we've narrowed down what they're gonna trade for to the number second round pick in the draft. I don't I don't know if it's this year next year, but I'm assuming it's this year. So they're adding a second second round pick to their arsenal which could help the cardinals in the long run. But again, it's the cardinals. They've never been really the best drafting except for like, Larry FitzGerald and Patrick Peterson. How they drafted anybody else of. No, I don't think. So usually, it's the retirement only electro suggs is signing with them. And he's thirty eight. I think he's really up there in age. So I mean, it seems like it's the place where you new career not in this the sense of like, you're you're gonna play so bad there. They occurs over. No. It's like you're at the end of your career finishing up. They're the only ones that are will take you because of your name not your talent because you're kinda gone like Emmitt Smith signed with the cardinals when he was like thirty four thirty five. So obviously, it's one of those places where they go for the namesake, not the talent sake. So that being said. If would Josh Rosen where would Josh Rosen best fit the chargers the patriots or the giants? And I have I have an answer to that to me. It seems obvious. But I think the patriots are the best case scenario one year under Bill Belichick in your under Tom Brady for at least three or four years marinating. I think that's the best case scenario. I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo a perfect example. And he's a franchise quarterback supposed franchise quarterback for the San Francisco forty Niners Guinea among its contract for them. So I guess in a sense like I just four or five years under Bella check is what I think is the winner there and Belgium knows how to develop players, and he will use you your best if he wants you. I think he wants them. So I think that'd be the best fit forum. Obviously if he wants to play soon as possible, the the New York Giants will be the place to be because he lamenting is of all the three veteran quarterbacks on each of these teams, Philip rivers, Tom. Brady and ally manning Manning's closer out the door than any any of them any other of them. So that's how I see it. So. With that being said, if he does go the charges, I think he'll be fine as well. But he will be with an offense defensive-minded head coach. So it won't be the same as Bill Belichick did start as defense. According to that's true. But he's developed into a great quarterback minded coach. And he knows how to get the best of every player on the field, regardless of position. So that's just how I see it. I think just if you want better coaching better time to marinate. That's the New England Patriots are the way to go. If your Josh Rosen. And again, if you want the quicker route go to New York, and if you want kind of same out both sides starting little earlier and -veloping under a veteran. Good veteran quarterback, Dan, the charges will be the middle of the pack. But again, that's not up to him. It's up to what the kernels will accept because I feel like they're gonna wait a little bit. Maybe wait till the draft to accept so people won't know exactly who they're going to drive him. So their whole drafting will go awry, but like I said if they do get Josh Rosen out of Arizona than they are getting column orig-, just that's just what's going to happen. Definitely overall. Window expert. Josh Rosen into be traded. I say by a lease. Let's see the the draft is like end of April. So I will say bye. Bye. Let's see I look at my calendar here by April the tenth next that's about couple of weeks on a Wednesday. He will be traded unknown. Where I don't think the patriots people just have suffocates the patriots. But. The giants. I think but then means doing house gins drops. They alight. I don't like saying that Trump's Iraq in the water. Like, I mean who's the next team? That's let's look at the draft order right now, shall we? And we'll look at the teams that thought were gonna drive quarterbacks. I thought that Jaguars would trade up and draft column under the nose of the I just like for the fourth overall pay or trade with the buccaneers fifth overall pick. You know, I thought that was going to go down. I didn't imagine the cardinals actually. Going with there weren't going for. But seeing it's Arizona one who are most likely take Bosa or a Napos issues me it's gonna to be a what's his face Murray. San Francisco doesn't need one because they have Garoppolo. The jets drafted Darnell last year. So they're fine. Oakland has Derek Carr. I this is his doer dire for Derek Carr. He doesn't do all this Tony Brown as one of his receivers. Then he's done in rings. He's complete. He's completely done rings number five Tampa Bay. They James Winston, but he's on his last legs too. So I guess they're looking for quarterback next year. If he doesn't succeed this year because they have a new coach in Bruce Arians, and they basically got him for that purpose. And overall, you're looking at basically, and then the giants if the giants are the ones that trade for Rosen. Then he's not then Murray than Hassans ain't going number six number seven Jacksonville. They discuss signed Nick foles to an eight million dollar contract. He's done. He that not done seizing. He they're not looking for a quarterback. Detroit has Stafford still some no buffalo has Josh Allens. No, Denver just got flacco. So no Cincinnati is a maybe I mean any domes had his chances. So any dolt of so number eleven might be doing Haskins to Cincinnati Green Bay number twelve. No, they have Rogers thirteen Miami. They just got actually they just traded away hill so Haskins could be going to Miami or Daniel Jones or drew lock are probably going to Miami. They're the most likely to judge the quarterback at everyone available in the draft asides. Besides the cardinals. And then you have Atlanta they have they have Matt Ryan. So they're good Washington case keenum, so they're not looking for a quarterback at this time Carolina. They still have Cam Newton who might be sitting out for the season. But regardless they're not looking for quarterbacks. Then number seventeen is now the new giant pick. And I mean. If they do get Rosen in this is obviously not going to be a quarterback. So it all depends. If he goes to New York or not Minnesota, they have Kirk cousins, they're not gonna draft a quarterback Tennessee there on the last legs when it comes to Marcus mariota. But they also just traded Ryan excuse me Ryan tannehill. So they don't need a quarterback Pittsburgh. No seattle. No Baltimore number twenty two. They have Lamar Jackson some no Houston twenty three. They have Shawn Watson some no twenty four is the raiders the Chicago pick. So I don't think I mean, maybe ju just to have a backup quarterback for Derek Carr. But they're not gonna trapped one a number four. I know that I can almost be certain of that Philadelphia has Carson Wentz number twenty five. No, I mean, they had the number twenty five pick. But they they have Carson Wentz. They won't be looking for quarterback. Indianapolis, no raiders again over twenty seven no charters twenty eight if they're looking to trade for Rosen. I will not be surprise at the charges dropped a quarterback. And is my calculations right. I would say that Miami will get Haskins and LA would get either the charges at least we'll get either lock or Jones so locked from Missouri or Jones, Duke. So that's that's that's good Kansas City. Of course, not. Green Bay has dimmer thirtieth pick in the draft. No Rams and then New England. So basically there's four quarterbacks that are projected to go high in this draft or the best four quarter excellence draft is to get taken in the first round. I don't there's not a lot of other teams that need a quarterback or on want. It really they want to maybe a team will surprise us in draft a quarterback to marinate longer than usual. Just because the fact I like they have the team they won they can compete with. It is looking at future selection type stuff future of the of the. Future of the franchise through that. But that's just my opinion. But we're gonna take a short break when we come back. We'll talk about the alliance American football in the possible folding of it. We right back right after this. Are you looking for help your fantasy football team checkout? GSM see fantasy football podcast get ten east. Best advice to start who to sit even who you should draft from sleeper. Picks red hot lineups. They got it all covered for you. That's GSM GMC podcast dot com. Back slash fantasy football dash odd cast we'll cover traditional leagues dynasty PR even I impede leagues when you need fantasy. Hope there's just one show to hit up. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GSM see podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome back to the GS MC, sports or football podcast. Pardon me. You can check out the sports podcasts. Also today that happened this morning early this morning, but moving on from that blunder. The alliance of American football. I've said my piece about this league. And I said, I've enjoyed it. The name bothers me I think they should I've been thinking about new name changes for it. AFA would have been so much better. Because of the fact that alliance are American football ci- just sounds better in general. But you know, what do you do anyways? Speaking of this alliance American football. They might not finish or they might not have a second season. They might not be here for very long huge blip on the radar screen. Just a little a little not a huge one. I'm sorry. I'll little blip on the radar screen as for. The lines America football, the majority owner who just put two hundred and fifty million dollars invested into this league says they might not last very long due to the fact that the NFL players association is not playing ball with them. And I'll this is what they're he saying basically to be developmentally they need to have young players from the NFL to play in the off season, basically NFL, so they can get better. And may look better when it comes down to the regular season. And always see the NFL player socio is Norring this or not are saying no to this basically in. I think I know why it's because mainly because you're looking at it like this. They're playing football still there at the serious risk of injury. And during that time, it's gonna be risky to play during the offseason full-contact high pace football, you know, so it just to me feels more along the lines of. Feel more along the lines of too much of a risking vestment for the NFL players. So she to be bringing young is young talented players into that league and possibly ruining their careers for their NFL in being out on millions and millions of dollars as well. So that is also a possibility why this is not really working out. But again, the owner or the majority owner of this league has said the they've talked about this, and they don't get players if they don't cooperate with the players association than they might Dave have they have considered being they have considered to fold the league entirely. So that is a very important. Importance of strong word. It's more along the lines of. Just saying in general. This leaves in trouble. And how often in the past has not worked out for a certain. I certainly is like Finney wormers like seventies the world football league one season and done the XFL once he's in done the US when the longest second league if you will for a team, but they folded as well when they tried to compete with the NFL head to head on the same like during the same time of the year. So any team? But the thing is this is different because they're not competing straight up with the NFL. They wanna work with the NFL. They won't have a working relationship with the NFL. And obviously the NFL is all like I like the NFL is down for it. But the NFL players, so she Shen the most important person to be on on board with this to get those players is not on board with it. So this might be a full on full on just complete swinging amiss as early as you know, we might not even see them play the championship game. You know, it just it feels like it's leaning towards like, and we are in new they had problems before they had major problems with pain. They're like, I think it was a I think was up players team even get paid for a couple of weeks during this time, and that's a serious issue on if you're not getting paid first couple of weeks playing football where you're literally getting hit full. Contact for a living. Gin need some compensation for that, obviously. And so with that being said, there's obviously a lot of problems with this league as they're not pay if they had already trouble with this. And then now they're not getting those players that they want from the NFL those young players in those young players. I don't wanna play there if they're having trouble paying and. Have pain their players, and they almost got caught or cuts us me if they almost got. Folded before the midway season. Like why risk that opportunity to why risk opportunity ineffectual to play in the? This developmental league. You know, it just doesn't seem like it's the right move in general. Businesswise? So I get I get the understanding why? The player sociation has has at this moment with this new league. And if I make a guess. This might be a one and only this one season only kind of thing. And just because there's already so many problems with this league. They've already had like many issues in many questions about this league in general what how can this leak continue? You know? I mean, I know like the NFL had this kind of thing when they when they were like in the twenties and thirties like a lot of teams like there's a lot of different other leads a lot of teams folded and checks bounce and all this stuff. But that was in the twenties and thirties. This is today's time, you know, I feel like with national television and the height of football in general. It's interesting thing that a national honestly, turning national the national pastime football is it's America's game. Now, you know. With that being said, though. There's still only one place to go. And that's the NFL. And. It just seems to me that even with the XFL also coming who are said, they are competing with the NFL which is not the best idea because what I think they should do which I think they're saying they're they're gonna pick is out of high school to play in this league, which I think will be the best possible situation. I disliked to look at it. As like, a alternate to college like XFL should be or any other football football league, not be competing with the NFL in general. They should pick the have the players come out of college early or out of come out of high school in play right away. So and then they can get drafted that way and be eligible like one year plane with them, you know. So that's how it should be to me. At least I think it should be more long lines. Just an alternate. Route to the NFL you can still make money that way. It could compete with NT AA football. I feel like, and you will get a lot of players come your way that have a lot of hype going into them instead of being recruits going to college there five star recruits going to the XFL I feel like it just works out that way. But competing with the NFL becoming a quote, unquote, professional league, or I guess is just not going to work for the XFL just leading on towards the af and that being possibly folded, they did the proper rabbi saying developmentally, but obviously didn't work out all the kings for it. There's obviously some stuff. That's well, explain this. There's always the missing pieces to that developmental league. That's why it's not really working. Do we know those kings those problems those all problems yet probably not so me a lot more to it than that. We the public knows. But in general, that's how I think a league should go is mainly just based off of an alternative route to the NFL because the NFL always be top notch. The Super Bowl is a worldwide phenomenon. So regardless of. What you do you can never compete with that the the Super Bowl always be that way. That means the NFL will always be where it is in general just just how it works. You know, it just that's that's just that's just life. Death taxes in the Super Bowl. I mean, that's just we're just like there's no way that you're gonna compete with that no championship game can compete with the Super Bowl. March men is is a big maybe. And the World Series, not even close NBA championship. Give me a break. This Super Bowl is the pinnacle of championship games. Nothing can compare to it World Cup of soccer is the one that I think is the best competition for because it's a worldwide sport as well. And the world is watching you know, that's the closest I think when you come down to. When you comes down to looking at. Different leagues other than the NFL death row. The pigskin around, you know, it just it just seems like it's a better alternative to not compete the NFL. And that's what the af was doing. But they had to rely on NFL players in why on earth when NFL players come to a league where they could injure themselves. Not get paid very much in lose opportunity millions of dollars. It's just doesn't work that way. It just doesn't it just can't work it, honestly cannot work. And that's just the way it is. And I think if they if that's what they're relying on. And when I mean, they I mean, the af is relying on NFL players to come young NFL talent to comment play for them. They're doomed because like I said, there's no reason to do that. I guess I guess you could say they could move up their stock when it comes to NFL in signing bonuses and stuff like that. But I don't know. I just feel like it's a losing battle. If you're a young NFL player, and you're gonna go to another league where you possibly can get seriously hurt God forbid and lose lose on a millions of dollars. See it just that just how I feel like it. It's gonna work it the how how this all is working out. But we are gonna take a short break when we come back. We'll be talking about Tony Brown in history. And how the executives of the league are scared about this. Maybe not scared worried about this whole situation. We'll be right back right after this. Check out the show that's built on the from the UFC two extreme cage fighting they got the fights covered. Check out the GSM. See 'em a podcast. Get the latest news on past or coming fights. Join us as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names in MMA past president future. When it's the fight game. There's just one show to check out GSM, see podcast dot com. Backslash M E dash podcast. Don't forget to leg. Among Facebook could follow them on Twitter. Visit GS MC podcasts dot com. For more info. Welcome back to the G S M C football podcast finished with the af. And the possible. Well failure that the league is. Leading towards. So moving on from that. Let's talk about in Tokyo Brown again thought we were done talking about him. I thought we were too. But. The executives of the NFL are worried so NFL rumor says unanimous exact says Antonio Brown forcing his trade is quote dangerous. And this is the article things to Bleacher report by Tyler Conway. Some executives around the NFL worried then Tonio Brown's forcing trade from the picture shows for steady dangerous president other stars might try to follow quote. It's a problem. Other star players see this and might want to do the same in executive told Jeremy Fowler of ESPN dot com. I know this had difficult situation need to get rid of them. But they had other options. The Steelers traded Brown with three years remaining on his contract which included twenty one point one million dollar cap it the highest dead cab number for player in NFL history. And so basically how the what this anonymous executive is saying is what is this stopping other other franchise like or superstar players from wanting out of off off a team and do that off a team situation. They lose on millions and millions of dollars worth of cap space. You know? It might lead to serious. Well, honestly benefits. Definitely the end the NFL players not so much for the executives who are losing out on this dead cap. They're going to be getting. Do I see this happening in the future? Do I see a guy like an Tonio Brown type player who's a superstar, but has some diva qualities? Be demanding a trade which will cost the Steelers million Erz costs the Steelers causing team millions and millions and millions of dollars in free agency in kind of doom them for the next year. Honestly. Yes. Why won't why won't you? If you saw Tony Brown, successfully do it. And you're at that caliber, why not take that opportunity. Like this only benefits the player, obviously, it's kind of a selfish thing you're not thinking about a team by blah, blah, blah, get that part. If you're on one side, but in general, like, it's totally get happen. There's totally going be at least maybe not successful attempts. But attempts nonetheless to try and get those big contracts or you hate it team so much like in Tony Brown did not want to be on the team guys. Just does not want to be on team so badly. He's going to be asked to be traded to another team. And regardless of how long has contract is. That's what's gonna happen. You know? I totally see it happening. Any player in the NFL right now that could happen to. I mean, the closest I could possibly think of is Beckham. But he just got traded. So that's not happening. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head right now that could be in that same position. Like, it doesn't have to be or just a player in general. Like, I guess if you said, they Cleal Mack said, you know, what she Kogyo? I want out. I want to be done with this team. I can't win just total exaggeration. Of course. Obviously, this is not the case. But he's one out looking for a new team trade me, but are dead cap would be absurd while I don't care. I won't play for you. I think this is a this is a continuation of fighting battle where. I'm gonna hate it here, and you're gonna hate me being here, and it just feels like this isn't working out. And then the k-, okay, fine. We'll trade you dead cap money to the roof probably will probably if with excise contract will probably just like probably more than Tonio Brown's dead cap. So basically don't be surprised if this happens again will it happen in the near future. I don't know. But I would definitely say. I will definitely say that there is more than a couple opportunities for this all to go down. And so don't be surprised if this all happens again. And it's all about the players personality as well to you. Gotta look at that. You gotta look at it that way. But also you're looking right in your looking towards. You're looking towards the basically into the players psyche. And you're looking in like a player just saw this. So the world is on whether Tony Brown did and got what he wanted and got him contract and got out of team, regardless of the dead cap that presented the team he forced their hand. So why wouldn't that? Why wouldn't that happen? Again. Why wanna a player of that caliber see that in the future and go, you know, what I just saw him do this. Why wouldn't this work for me? You know? It just makes sense that way, you know, it just makes sense that someone will follow that along and use it as a reference if you will to be to get a better deal from other team and just play for a better team. Maybe. Obviously. In Tony round in go to a better team. He went to a possibly possibly better situation. For him. But in general, probably not the best team, not even close. But you're looking at this in going, okay? Who's giving the who's the likely next one probably someone in the drive the next year to I'm going to be honest. I don't see any current NFL players right now in that kind of situation. Honestly, levian bell was like the only other guy ironically in that situation, but he was going to be a free agent. So it wasn't a loss. It wasn't get a costume any money. The for the Steelers this was unprecedented in the fact that he still had multiple years left on his three years left on his contract. And. Like, even with of how much this would affected the caps the dead cap. The Steelers would have. Like, of course, don't tell you Brown. Just did is legendary basically he did basically the impossible. He made a team trade him. So the he wins that trade, but the team loses that treat, you know, traded for virtually nothing bunch of dead cap. Lose lose win-lose situation player wins. Sometimes most of the time the players lose. Let's be honest. Most of that time the players lose that situation. Because of the fact that they have no say he was about to get traded buffalo, and he refused in that in that that changed everything, you know, it just how on earth can one guy who had legitimately no sane where he could go ended up going where he wanted to go. Antonio brown. Did when no one else was could have ever done. It's it's I'm impressed. I'm legitimately impressed. But I think everyone's like it's like that. It's like from anchorman. He's like, I'm not even mad. I'm just impressed. That's just that's just impressive. He did something he changed. How trades are gonna work. Now for for superstars at least. There's gonna be some guys that have literally no say Anders could have to deal with it. But for those high profile celebrity light players. It's definitely gonna change how these trades work in how these offseason maneuvers work like the monumental trade that happened with this is insane. And I can't get over it. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 527: Nick Foles Newest Free Agent (2-28-2019)

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 527: Nick Foles Newest Free Agent (2-28-2019)

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And what does that mean for future draft stock projections also d Ford in his comments about his offsides penalty legitimately caused the chiefs to chance to go to the Super Bowl? Also, Nick foles futures since eagles are not going to franchise tag. And he's going to be a free agent. What does this mean for his future as well? As going back to the chiefs. They're also putting one of their most notable defenseman on the let's say the trade block or up to trading him in just in Houston. And also some more guys that are looking at to be possibly traded, which we will definitely check out, and we will look. Any even all the all the QB markets while we'll talk when Nick foles in his free agency. We'll talk about all the keys available in the market of for this off season. But first things first calorie his height has been released. It's been announced it's been measured. It's beneficial. He's not five nine he's not five eight, but he is five feet. Ten five foot ten and one eighth inch. Yes. He is in the five foot ten range. He is in roughly the same height as Russell Wilson. So that puts a lot of question marks about his potential in the NFL kinda at ease almost because if you wish shorted and five ten I think he would not be drafted as like the first quarterback drafted anything to be at least one or two big before him. I put doing Haskins as the number one quarterback prospect go into the draft if he was under five ten, but he's not. And I think that moves him to the number one QB prospect slot, regardless of anything else just base off his talent and his Heisman Trophy winning season in his ability in all this in his arm is great and he has accurate. He's good on the run. So with that I say I understand why he's going to be he's I think I would plan within our one quarterback prospect right now for the draft him or doing Haskins. But if you're looking at. Who would be the best fit for each team? Like, I said in one of my mock drafts that Jacksonville would trade up to the fifth pick for Tampa Bay's pick obviously in exchange probably like their first round picks. Obviously, maybe a third or fourth. Maybe conditional pick or a future pick in consideration. Who knows what they would do? But I think they would try to jump and gave Murray over the giants us. I think the giants are going to draft a quarterback not think they need to draft a quarterback. I've already said my piece on that. Just based on the fact that when it comes to the quarterback position you need to marinate them. You can't just throw into the fire. A lot of guys will not be ready. Not it won't be. It's not like, they're mentally physically. Not prepare. They have the talent for it. Of course. But I think it's just getting used to help the faster pace. And how more intense the game is on the NFL level compared to the college football level because you're not just playing collegiate athlete anymore that are might not play another down of football after college. Again, you're playing guys getting paid millions and millions of dollars to play football at the highest level. So it's not going to be the same as college not by a long shot. So I say if you're the giant. It's and you is sounds like they're keeping ally. Mana it sounds like Pat Shurmur the head coach says he's our guy if you don't draft a quarterback. He don't let him get a backup for about a year. Just do like a patch. It's basically a Patrick Mahomes type thing where he's behind a certain quarterback doesn't have to be an amazing quarterback in Raja's with Brett Farr. But regardless just keep him on the bench for a year. Key messed beg quarterback for a year. And then put them into the game. And you know, I think you'll work out even better, you know, that's how I see these happening. I think that's what you need to do in order to get a successful quarterback in the drought. He's there's a very limited number of play quarterbacks in the history of football, really come off right out of college and become the best. So I think it's all about giving them time. It's all about marinating them. I've said my piece on that before. And I think it's going to be a big concern when it comes to kala Marie. I think I'll marines and bear name more than anybody. But I think he has the biggest upside the native buddy else too. Even then twain Haskins between Haskins a huge outside himself. So I see those two as the top two quarterbacks in the draft. And I feel like whoever goes to. New York and becomes the backup. Their their future will be a lot more brighter than the others. Just because you're not only having. A year off to prepare like, Patrick Mahomes. Did you also seen on Barclay behind you, you possibly will still have overcome junior, depending on what he gets traded an obvious oser always gonna be rumors rampant from now until until maybe you get traded or he sends a huge or he stays with them. Who knows what officials? He's gotta to go down with that. But you can't possibly have a good team around you. There's still tons of possibilities. I can go down. And I think the potential could be a lot better when it comes down to if you played for the giants. I mean the Jaguars great too. I'm not taking anything away from. I think they have tons of potential as well. But I think it comes down more along the lines of just. But supporting cast around you seem to be better in New York than it would be in Jacksonville that just how I see at least. But and then with Jacksonville, I don't I think the Blake Bortles, I think everyone knows that the Blake portal's era is over there. And so where they draft are good to be the starting quarterback. I really think that's what's going to go down. And with that. I see like then you look at Miami. Or you will get you know, I was thinking about this Miami might be moving for any ten hill. So that's one thing. But you know, I didn't think about this. Now, my Cincinnati has Andy Dalton still, and it seems like he's done in Cincinnati. But what if they draft a quarterback in basically to a year to exactly what you do with Petra homes in Kansas City, and do we should do in New York. Give him a year as a backup to marinate have Dalton play this year. Again, it doesn't have to be like this amazing quarterback as tobacco. But it just seems like this is a year of improvement for the other players on that team. And then Cincinnati gets has a certain correct for next season a one year guy, and he could have the potential of. Being a Patrick Mahomes type player by quite windy like you could have tons of attention going this season or a. Daniel Jones for that matter. There's tons of other possibilities that could go down. If you give him a year time, I cannot stress enough I'll say it over and over and over again till the beginning season into in. If someone does it they should give them a year off do not throw them into the fire right away. Because throwing them into the fire usually leads to disaster. It's not the player's fault. Sometimes just ready. It's just the facts of life. And it's also sometimes naming that it's also the facts of like. Just in general, letting them get ready letting them prepare for a higher level of football. But again, this is totally my opinion. And with that, I say also. Just we'll see how everything goes down. And honestly, if you're looking at the worst pots, I hate to say that also, but it's like the worst spots. Like Jacksonville because they're going to be starting wire wetter way or Miami who've already admitted they're going to be losing out. Well, it sounds like they're already calling it quits. So that is how I see those two potential disasters waiting to happen. So it's really like. Two teams that I think are great potentials are New York and Cincinnati due to the fact they might be offering here. But if you go to Jacksonville Miami, and you might be thrown into the fire right away. And that could lead to trouble in not in the good way. So that's how I see that going dead. Sounds like that's going to be the future lease with those four teams. So that's just my my example. I guess of what might happen. My prediction if you will. And I could be totally wrong. These guys that go play for short right away because there's going to be a quarterback or two that are going to start right away that become great. Around that. I'm not saying that's an impossibility. That's I'm not saying that's possible. But I think you'll be better suited. If you give the guy you're off. And that's a lot less pressure in a lot less just in general just lot less. Just over stressing them and over hyping them into bay can't live up to that expectation. But that's just how I feel about it. And I just I guess years and years of seeing this happen to poor quarterbacks who start off into the fire like Josh Rosen with no one around him he struggles because no offense align is protect him as well. As the most crucial thing he doesn't have an offense around him except for shale. Then he's in his late thirties. Nothing is he's still playing great. I'm not taking a way from them. But you can only do so much when you're running back. David Johnson is not in the in the in over half the season with injury and doubtfulness. And then you have nobody behind you. You have no tied, and you have no other helpful receivers that can come in clutch for you. When you need them. It just seems like a death sentence, and he's gonna lose this. And then there's talks of them just get a ghost in. Then with this whole thing. It sounds like a good like the cardinals might be going with column or in the draft. I mean, people are saying that still a possibility. So Josh roses, really getting cheated cheated. He cheated out of the starting position here if that's the case because there's I don't give him. I wouldn't give him even like fifty percent of the blame or even forty. I'll give him maybe five to ten percent because of the crucial factor of just there's not a lot to go on. There's not a lot of talent to help you like what can you do? There's only so much. You can do. So that's just my take on it at least. And you know, I could be wrong. But I always inmate if I'm wrong or not like I said I thought the patriots were not as good as they were this past season because just of in general how the whole team played. But then you look at. They went to the Super Bowl. They wanna Super Bowl regardless how they played in that Super Bowl doesn't matter that situate it doesn't matter there. But how they won this God's will. They prove me wrong. And I made it I pick them to win the Super Bowl because they they they me they made me look bad in the AFC tile game in the divisional round or whatever else game they were in. I I always kinda them out of it. But they kept proving cute. They can't prove me wrong. And I had I had met my mistakes. I'm not like it'd be rob Parker who keeps bashing them in saying Tom Brady, no way, no house gonna wanna Super Bowl after thirty five. He's gonna three in a row since then. So I'm never gonna doubt the patriots again until I'm proven otherwise. So that's just how might take on everything going down with that. But we are gonna take a tiny tiny little break when we come back. We'll talk about Nick foles and his future because we have some interesting news based on him. 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You're losing or not often Scooby defense you're losing a chunk of will major team so special. And what helps you become a Super Bowl contender? With them gone. Are you even the are you I understand you can still win the NFC west Tennessee west is looking pretty weak right now. But with the returned to me Garoppolo jerk MacKinnon the Niners are still looking like a contender for the NFC east NFC west excuse me with that potential. I don't think you can count them out until like the rest are injuries. Come in to be honest. I think the only reason they really fell off the market was because the fact they got so many injuries. I don't think saying denial in that. But regardless of that, I do see it being that. This team. Might not be back in the playoffs. I mean, there's a possibility. There's a good chance will still win the west. I'm not taking that out. But making a run like they did averaging thirty three point two game. Be one of the top offenses in the league the top offense in the league at one point. And having a stellar defense to boot. And losing a chunk of that defense that made you so good. It's it just shows how this was such a short minded. A short minded season shore minded win. Now kind of thing for. The Rams I can't take anything away from that. Because there's so much to go on based off like they're in a win now mode. They're not in a win for a good period of time. So that's my only concern with the Rams. I think the Rams might not be as good as everyone thought they were. So with the loss of these guys says free agency and most likely these guys not resigning with Los Angeles. And do they go from the number two seed in the NFC second best re seed best second best record in the NFC by we compete vantage gaining the Super Bowl. Homefield dams in the divisional round not in the chamber game, obviously. But I don't know. I just don't see the Rams going back to the where leaving the honestly if they win the division. I don't see making it pass the first wildcard around because I don't see them getting one of the best seats. I don't seem getting divisional by week. I see then getting a wildcard spot in losing in the first round if they get to that point. Because losing the I know they sell Aaron Donald I get that. They still have a great. They still have Todd Gurley. They still have a great offense. I'm not taking that away from them. But losing that part of the difference? And kinda how Jerry Goff was kind of exposed in the playoffs because he didn't play well throughout the entire playoffs ending special from personally, I like C J Anderson in Taga really had that to gain the game when they both went over a hundred yards rushing. And when they couldn't do anything in the Super Bowl. That's when he crumbled. Without scoring one. Touchdown. They hit. They were held the three points. Like, this was one of the this is up thirty three point average team. So seeing that puts you at a massive doubt in your mind. Like is this team as good as they should be? But I don't know but moving on from that Nick foles is being a free agent as well. And I think he moves to being the hottest quarterback free agent in the league right now. He's going to be the biggest commodity. And with that it just looks to me like now the question remains where you go. Where is because where he's going ninety nine percent chance. He's gotta be the starter. So where does that lead him? Does he stay in the AFC NFC this does he go to the AFC? Let's just look at all the teams. That need quarterbacks. We'll just what is start with. We'll start with. Let's say the Redskins is now he can go there because he's not gonna get traded their he's reading go. Everyone's and these are the teams that now have a chance to sign him. The redskins. Definitely I like I would even with Matthew Stafford thing with the lions why not the lions give a chance at Nick foles. You know, the Panthers are looking for a quarterback for this season. They might decide to win year deals how he does. And then train them for a good draft pick or two. With think especially the Jaguars are a team. That's probably gonna try to sign him. That would be a big deal, and they probably won't even try to quarterback they signed Nick foles to a long contract. Definitely the dolphins. The bills jets. No, just AFC's at the moment. Bills in jets. No because they got they they drafted quarterback in the first round. So they can't they don't really need to. Cincinnati is definitely an option. There's a lot of options here. So. We'll see how all that plays out. But if I had to make a prediction for where he was signed are who would offer him the most money. If I had to pick from the most money. I'll pick the team Albert Hanes were to one hundred million other contra not too long ago. Yep. They're washing Redskins. Do you? Remember our hands worth on the Redskins who is incomplete abject failure in his work ethic. Was it just embarrassing straight up? Just how he was choosing not to do sprints or choosing not to work out and stuff like that. Which is really disrespectful in my opinion. But it has his work ethic. And is he didn't play hard. He didn't wanna pleading. Carey felt like it felt like he didn't care to me personally. So I see the team that's willing to pay. The most money is the Redskins. And when it comes down to it. I see. The Redskins getting busy loss. Alex Smith outfits done. I don't think he's coming back. It's unfortunate. What I do. But I think it's best for his future just in life. Because I don't think he wants to be like just walking with Olympic the rest of his life. If he comes back. So he might be done for career wise entire these entire career wise and with that I'm going to add as well. The Redskins again have a pretty okay offense. I mean without they were pretty good. They were first sees until he got injured. They went downhill because they use like Mark Sanchez in Koma Koi. Rain he got injured then Josh Johnson for crying out loud. So with that. I have to add a fact that he's he just seems like he's decifit Redskins. A really really does. But again, this is all this is all questions, we don't know what will lead to wear, but regardless to me, my guess would be Redskins. I'm gonna stick with Redskins. And I'm going to stick with it. And. If not the Redskins vantage is another team. I would probably go Jacksonville. But again Jackson might be sold on the fact they'll get Dwayne Haskins or column so they won't even draft a quarterback or won't even sign a garbage. They'll have one in the draft which will be the wrong move base of my assumption of giving them a year off. So we'll see there. But regardless it seems to me those are the two maybe even my you can add to that list. Two potential a potential landing spots for Nick foles. I'm not gonna take that away from him. Either. But overall us it's going to be very interesting. It's basically the Nick foles sweepstakes. If you will. I think that's just how that's gonna be played out mainly. And overall, it just it just could be very interesting scenario at the rest, but we are going to take another short break. And when we come back. Go talk with some other free agency options for -cerned seem to be key franchise players on certain teams as well. As defollets comments about his off sides, call that causes him to go the Super Bowl on we right on that when we return. 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Check out the show that's built on the m a from the UFC two extreme cage fighting they got the fights covered checkout. GSM GMC 'em a podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names in MMA pass president future. When it's the fight game. There's just one show to check out GMC podcast dot com. Backslash E dash podcast. Don't forget to like on. Facebook could follow them on Twitter? Visit PS emceeing podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome back GMC football podcast, and we were talking about freed season who's up and who's going to hurt their team the most the chiefs have are up to trading Justin, Houston, who's been part of their defense for a long period of time kind of kind of leader if you will. And I'm not sure what you can get formed to be completely honest with you. If you're looking more along the lines of draft picks. Maybe I'm not sure what they are thinking about when it comes to trading him. But he's been on their team for quite some time. Now been a key part. Well, they said they're caught opening they were open to trade him. He's thirty years old. He was a third round pick and twenty seven part of their team for that long time pro bowler. He wasn't I won't pro in two thousand fourteen he was a Saxon in two thousand fourteen but. You know, I thought he's been a big part of this team. He's like the leader of the defense in my opinion and trading him. I take a blow and morale honestly, but I could be totally wrong on this. But like then also look at Ford who has said. That he's not going to let this the off sides. Call the cost them Super Bowl affect his his way of thinking. And. D Ford said, quote, if I backed up and enter to or yard or something like that they wouldn't call it. If you watch that game again and realizes how far he was off the line. It would not one or two inches or whatever. Whatever how he said. It is not gonna make a difference of how bad he was. He's got to be at least three yards or four yards off sides. So he's got it back up a ton in that situation. But granted I do have to say in the facts that deformed cost them super. I know he says doesn't affect me. That's good anymore. With how? In all ended in that AFC championship game against the New England Patriots. I don't I think this might get into his head still I might still be something in the back of his mind. But again, it's one of those things where you got to move on from it and moving on from an is a big deal and all of this such and such. And. I just honestly defor has a lot of making up to basically that just how I see it. But again, you look at Justin Houston being traded D forcibly free, and they're probably going to. Resign him. If I had to make a guess. But I totally wrong in that in that circumstance. But again, he probably will still be a commodity just based off all that's going down. It's gonna be interesting to say, the least everything thing goes. And when I mean interesting I mean based off like digesting Houston, they're opening trade him as well as defor being free agency. But I know losing. Cream on if you lose both those guys both Justin, Houston and. D ford. I put a huge impact on what the team can do next season. Can they still in the AFC west? Oh, absolutely. Are they still towns enough to get to the AFC champion possible? The Super Bowl, of course. But still regardless what those regardless what happens losing, those key players is gonna hurt your team one way or another. But again. I don't know you see a lot of things happening here. Now, do I see? Them be able to replace those players. That's what the draft is for. I say when it comes to quarterback, you have to have the marinate for at least a year may even too. But. Would come defensive players. They can contribute right away more than a quarterback. Can I it just a different position? It's different kind of scenario. I think that maybe if Kan city is losing or Justin Houston or even both maybe look for a defensive player in the draft. But that was one of the key things needed to reply to to boost up for the postseasons their defense their defense played alright, but they give you so much more. And I think in all honesty that if that evens Boise's up they are definitely contenders. Still, and I they don't take. They don't take a difference in the first round, they'll take a running back the first Trump, but I think they can probably still running back in the third or fourth round. There's not really a saquon Barkley kind of running back. That's a first round selection type thing to me that is I know I could be wrong on his well. But I think it's world on the lines of defense first round Brun BAC second round, if you're gonna go that high, but it's one of those things where you just got to find a replacement in that running back position. And you also have to find some defensive boost of your defense one way or another now that could be both those free agents in as well, I'm not gonna deny that. But I think it's one of the one lines of since your team is so young and in so young you can use definitely dry picks in those situations. So honestly, I think that will be fine. I don't see it being that big of a deal in the long run. So that's just my take on it. And then for the bears they put another a very talented player on their team out on it opening to trade him. I think they put them in the trade bloc. I'm not the hundred percent on that yet. Jordan Howard who just had his third consecutive thousand yard season is out for the is available to be traded. It sounds like is like open to be traded, which to me I understand they have Cohen. He's a pretty good running back himself. Join however, it has been there a heart of their lineup for a good bit of time. Now, so seeing him gone would be a huge damper on that team in my opinion. Because like, I know they said Cohen like I said, but again, you can only having Cohen and Howard is a deadly one two punch that really underrated in the NFL. So that's how I see that going at least and giving him the opportunity. To be traded. I think they should be getting something good out of the deal. If I had a guess base of how this is going. There is a lot of doubt in how this whole system works in a doubt in the ability of join Howard, hence, why he probably going for a fourth or fifth round pick or maybe even a six round pick. If it all comes down to it. So there's still a lot of question marks to be had with the bears. But honestly that defense is fun. The way it is that offense just needs a boost. Whether it's a receiver or alignment to help out with Trubisky to keep him at safe thing. Maybe they should treat up and get one of the top of lemon prospects. I'm not sure really what you do here. Because since this is such a highly touted defensive class Russia in the edge Roger position, you gotta think about more along the lines of maybe you're in the right position. I'm doing no. They gave up the first round pick. For Khalil Mack. But they are in a right position to draft a pretty good offensive player with a second round pick or third round pick or whatever they have. Because of the fact of how deep this classes both in the wider. Not I'm in the. Reg, Russia position just defensive positions in general. That's just how I see. And that's how a possibility could go. So that's my take on that. But honestly, I would not get rid of Howard yet because again three consecutive seasons. Still impressive thousand yards in three consecutive thousand seasons. That's consistency. In the running back position, you need consistency. So I'll what I'll let you be the judge my my lovely viewers on that take on. Lemme everyone. Let me just Instagram or tweet me at Jeff Mallon off both address Mellon off just a little plug there. But again moving on from that, there's also I wanna take quick look the entire QB market for twenty nineteen because it is an absurdly. It's actually a pretty deep list, which is actually quite surprising all things considered. So I wanna read off just who are available when it comes down to this market. I'll start with this. Was market the tough reagents Nick foles now officially teddy Bridgewater tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick Naples, you've already discussed out. Teddy Bridgewater is still young. I know he's coming off injury. That almost cost him his leg to be honest with you. But what you got to look at is. He still very talented quarterback and he can win games. I think if you stays in Orleans, they'll be fine after breezes gone. But if they're not going to take them, then someone should be chomping at the bit form. Then you look at tyrod Taylor. Yeah. He's had his mainly a lot of downs. But he still has a lot of ups, and you can take a chance on them. Definitely good back DEA for backup signing two. Why not in Ryan Fitzpatrick has proven he can win games and he's capable of throwing for four hundred yards. He's done that last this year. So with that I say don't be so low on the that man when I mean because I mean, honestly, I would have him over James Winston. I really would and. I know why the Tampa Bay Buccaneers chose Winston over Fitzpatrick, basically. And that's just because one was the first overall pick. And that was as Winston was Heisman Trophy winner. Jim Winston one national champion James Winston. So it makes sense why they kept him over Fitzpatrick the Harvard seventh round pick. I think he was. So it makes sense that aspect, but you know, I think that people should really look at Ryan Fitzpatrick and look at him as a potential starting quarterback in the NFL if you need one. I mean, I won't say that. He'll be or franchise. But when you're game, he win some games for you. That's how I see at least. But we will take another quick short break when we get back. I will actually now with column ary being five foot ten. I will now ask on a very important question that needs to be asked and we right on that. When we were turned. Out this show built around the women of 'em. From the UFC to the extreme cage fighting we got the fights cover the Golden State media concepts women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming fights discussions previous matches join us as we talked to about the biggest names that women's mixed martial arts past present and future when it's the women's game. You know, we're to listen to the Golden State media concepts women's MMA podcast. GMC football podcast today. I was just looking at a a preview of the views of the shop, which has LeBron James and in Tokyo Brown on it and Tony Brown's talking like, oh you saying like everyone's saying, he's distraction. He was just like saying, I'm I'm just a six round pick out of central Michigan, which is true in three contracts later in stuff like this. And honestly, I don't think he's the distraction. I think he's his own personality. I used to have a problem with them banal just looking at this organization star Lee him, it's number seven. I think other people would agree that number seven is kind of. Okay is exactly the distraction just because he thinks he's better than everybody else. The arrogance really is sickening to the players. It's it's a it's a it's a virus. Almost you know what I mean? It's just like infects players to not like in a good way. We're like, oh, I'm gonna be convert to it's just like oh, stop talking. That's how I see. It said. I hate to really stop my train of thought here biting Tonio Brown. But we got some pretty major news coming in Jason Witten the NFL analyst in like in the broadcast booth. You seen a bunch. Has agreed to terms with the Dallas Cowboys on a contract. Bring the tight end back to Dallas. So. Wow. This is a co from Jamie chasing, wind self the fire inside of me to compete in play. This game is just burning too strong. This team has a great group of rising stars. And I want to help them make a run at a championship. This was completely my decision. And I am very comfortable with it. I'm looking forward to getting back in the dirt. So there you have it Jesus in win is back in the NFL in his back as a tight end for the Dallas Cowboys first of all. Wow. If anyone returning from retirement that would be one Alaska, I would think of I didn't even realize he had the urge to return. It seemed like he was fine being an analyst and stuff. But I guess he has that fire them to return to the NFL and play football in a dangerous position tight end. So I hope for the best forum. But I wonder what the contract I wonder how big the contract is to. That's also born factor think about but. We guardless Jason win wants back in the NFL. And he's in the NFL again. He's gonna be the tight end for the Dallas Cowboys. Now will this help them get to a championship? Like, he wants them. He wants to help them a run. I'm not sure, but. I'm super curious. How all this is gonna go down. But the this is just news. I got which is super interesting to say the least. Wow. I am in shock shock. I'm just like that's interesting. Say least all right as I was saying. What was I saying oh in twenty Brown in the Brown James on the shop Honey chose to shop, basically him not calling himself, a cancer yada, yada, yada. Make sense. Him defending himself, and Ben route this is really the cancer in my opinion. But we're moving on from that. With the Joe flacco trade, it looks like a trade target is case keenum, which I'm not sure who would go form. But there's other names that think about when you come down to the key market twenty nineteen Derek Carr Ryan tannehill. That was when I was saying before the break, but overall this offseason has even begun yet. And it's already Cerna get interesting. Really shows how superior as compared to the compared to the MLB foreshore, and I'm really looking forward to seeing by March thirteenth who's going wear because March thirteenth hits. It's gonna be chaos there, your phone's if you have your phone on notifications on any news sports news app. You're gonna be getting notifications left and right by on March thirteenth. So be ready for that. Going back to Jason Witten. I this is just as quick as a just a quick as a retard any retirement. Brett farve are Rita. See is Brett farve. Second coming retirements gain. Retiree other. You're enjoying new teams. And all that good stuff. I guess it's already different. Because of the fact that. What do be different because signed back with the team is originally on wood came back retirement. He was said, okay, Bye-bye great Green Bay said by him. And then he went to New York he played for the jets that once he's in people do remember that very much. And if you remember back when Madden came out that year it was getting Brett Farr was on the cover with his Green Bay jersey. And some game in some covers were edited. So he would have. The jets jersey. And then of course, that was the one year is on the jets then he went to the Minnesota Vikings. They almost won the NFC title game. And then he threw that costly pick which led to a saints victory in the long run. So yeah. Minnesota bad luck continued. Thanks to risky Brett farve. Definitely. Well, I you do it for a show today. Please join us in Amaro as we continue with the draft combine in Mojo Wli more news happens with free agency and who's available and whatnot. So we'll see all that goes. And as always I'm Jeff Mellon off. And I'll see next time. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts football podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. 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Bucs Interest In A.B., Rivera Praises Newton

MMQB News

04:08 min | 4 months ago

Bucs Interest In A.B., Rivera Praises Newton

"Don't expect Antonio Brown Tampa Ron Rivera says not too bad against Cam. Newton and the NFL spending money in search of a safer helmet. This is Cuba News and here's what you need to know for Tuesday June thirty F-. The stress of daily life ways on us all whether you're an elite athlete or just a regular person trying to get through the day muscle, pain and muscle tension is a real thing. That's why I use Baragan handheld percussive therapy device that releases your deepest muscle tension using a scientifically Calabria's combination of depth, speed and power, and now it is quiet as an electric toothbrush. That's because the all new gen four Baragan has a proprietary brushless motor. That so quiet. You will wonder if it's even on while you sue. Sue your aching muscles with their against signature, power, amplitude, and effectiveness tri-therapy on risk free for thirty days. There is no substitute for the Thera, the Gen, four with an oh led screen, personalized therapies, APP, and the quiet and power. You need starting at only one hundred seventy nine dollars go to thera- gun dot com slash cadence right now and get your gen four deragon today. That's T. H.. E. R. A. G. U.. N. Dot Com. Slash C. A. D. E.. N., C., thera-, Gun, dot, com slash cadence. There's been speculation all offseason about Antonio Brown and whether the seven time pro bowl receiver will make a return to the league past reports of linked into teams like Seattle and Baltimore another team he's been linked to is Tampa. Bay. The bucks are obviously win now mode after signing, Tom, Brady and Brown and Brady became fast friends during Brown's one game stint New England last year, but the athletics Gregg allman through some cold water. Water on that idea today. Reporting that quote nothing has changed with bucks and their lack of interest in signing Antonio Brown as Bruce Arians made clear and March. Just not match Brown previously played under Arians when he the offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh and Brown also faces possible disciplined from the League for a variety of legal and personal conduct issues, so he might not see the field right away even if a team does sign up. New Washington coach Ron Rivera was asked in an interview on six seventy, the score in Chicago about his thoughts on the Patriots Signing Cam Newton his quarterback and Carolina for nine seasons, Rivera said quote. He's headed in the right direction. I mean he's probably about as healthy as it gets from what I've seen on video. I think he's ready to bust out. said that he believes the coronavirus pandemic, which prevented teams from conducting in-person workouts was the main reason. More teams didn't try to sign him. He also pointed to his own quarterback second-year player Twain Haskins as the reason. Washington didn't try to sign Newton as a backup. Don't bet against them. Rivera said I really wouldn't. The NFL has announced that the league will be providing funding to four groups working to create safer helmets as part of the NFL Helmet, challenge, initiative that was launched in twenty, nineteen, the legal distribute one point three seven million dollars in grants to support the creation of prototype helmets by July twenty twenty one. They hoped to create a helmet that outperforms the ones currently in use by NFL players, and the winner can take home a prize of up to one million dollars quote by bringing together. Multiple disciplines the NFL helmet challenge aims to encourage revolutionary advances in helmet design said NFL Executive Vice President Jeff Miller. This is one more sign of the recent transformation in the protective equipment space more in the last couple of years than over the previous decade, and we are committed to keeping this momentum going. That's the. News for today subscribing listen wherever you get your podcasts for more NFL analysis. Check out the cube, NFL podcast and the computer on the web at SL DOT COM. Slash NFL.

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Don't Be A Fan Later

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:17:32 hr | 1 year ago

Don't Be A Fan Later

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports fix. Tommy here Aaron Serum here. We got a lot to talk about. We got a baseball game night wildcard game tonight which I'm actually really excited excited about. I love postseason baseball a lot of things to consider there and we have just a little redskins news for these. Owen four and floundering foundering a redskins but you know the podcast follows for me my radio show and sometimes during the radio show I miss things or things come out shortly after the radio show and you just made me aware of Joe Banners tweet Joe of course the longtime Tepe team president of the Philadelphia the Eagles and of the Cleveland Browns Joe's been on the podcast before very interesting guests and he tweeted out the following just an hour or so ago I by the way I believe this is in response to Louis Riddick and some of the people last night leading into the Monday night game. There's an agenda at torching the redskins for playing half that they're trying to to ruin hats so banner tweeted out. It's funny to watch all of the Haskins lovers now starting to claim that Haskins was actually great but the skins ruined him half a dozen teams. I respect had him in the third round or later and fourteen teams passed on him plus. None tried to trade up for him now now. It's the skins fault that from from Joe Banner Look it's not new news to most of you or to me or to Tommy that the redskins skins football people did not think that Twain Haskins was worthy of the fifteenth pick in the first round. We heard that multiple times at you know the night hi to the draft the day after the draft the days following the draft that this was a Dan Snyder pick and that people weren't happy with people like Kyle Smith and the scouts who had worked all year long to put together this draft board which they didn't have haskins anywhere near the top half of the first round I've heard that they had haskins more of a second second round guy some have told me that maybe they would have reached for them in the late first round where they picked sweat as an example when they trade traded backup up but the Dan Snyder came in and basically said. Hey Nice job putting the board together. We're picking. Haskins and I've mentioned this many times going back to the draft left that if he had not been taken at that spot at fifteen overall it was possible. I don't know if it was likely there. Perhaps would have been a team like the chargers who are let's pick them could be the quarterback of the future here sit behind Philip for a year or two but it's possible that he may not have been taken in the first round of that drought. It's very very poss- oh you know this is not new news but this is Joe Banner Swiping back at Louis Riddick which we will get to who shortly along with Steve Young Adam Schefter last night where they really really went after the Redskins for for playing Dwayne Haskins Sunday and then you you know insinuating that there was some sort of sabotage potential effort by you know. I believe they were referring to Jay Gruden. Luckily I just got five words for you buddy. What are the five words. Don't be a fan later. I know I know I read that. You know listen. I don't think you do know. Oh and I don't think most people know put that that is bigger than who plays quarterback that is bigger than who coaches this team. That's bigger than all the football all of it the football. It doesn't matter who coaches. It doesn't matter who plays quarterback that that that little incident there don't be a fan later that encompasses everything every single thing. That's wrong with this organization. It's the biggest thing that happened this week. Okay hold on let me read the tweet and then I want to hear your explanation. I think I'm going to agree with it to a certain level level but I wanna make sure I understand what you're saying first of all if people missed it. I read it on the show yesterday. Read it on the radio show in the PODCAST. After the game twain Haskins Skins tweeted out some comfort for everybody he tweeted it rains in pores but the sun will eventually shine whatever whatever it takes. That's my word more fuel to the fire. Don't be a fan later and that was followed up with a handshake Emoji by the way. Do you also heard what he said about. Tom Brady right yes so forward playing with him on the field so go ahead. I mean this. This people aren't getting it it this is this has been a problem for twenty years. This is it. This is what gets in the way of the football. This is what gets in the way of hiring a new coach upbringing in New People. This this is the this is the disease. This isn't a symptom. This is the exact disease right here. I mean this says why Josh Norman goes off on the fans a week ago and nobody says anything and a rookie who played one half of a game and stunk the place up when he played WHO's already wearing who's already been empowered by the owner by wearing the number seven Jersey at can feel the need to admonish fans on social. She'll media. Don't be a fan layer. This is the Washington redskins. This is the biggest thing that you will have to read about face this week week. All the rest of it is noise this. This is the thing that sets off the Louis riddick comments. This is the thing that sets off the notion that the redskins have some kind of agenda under because people believe the worst of the redskins on every level way shape or form because something like this because a rookie quarterback who barely played is dictating to its damage fan base how they should behave this is right here. I appreciate shape. You've been listening to the show because I completely agree with everything that you've said. It's you're. You're you're being specific about him. Admonishing the fan. Yes yes but what I'm really referring to. Is this constant talking. This lack of accountability this lack of discipline this feeling in the organization innovation is a player that you can say whatever you want. Did you see what Eric Flowers set up to the game on Sunday. He started ripping the giants right after his team lost by three touchdowns. Oh my God what an idiot but of course and by the way said it's much better to be here. Of course it is for a player. There's no discipline there's no accountability ability. They can do whatever the F- they won. It's unbelievable to me. The Landon Collins constantly going back to his old team leading up to this in by the way laying a big fat egg on Sunday after all these games circle all these giants is and then coming out with a zero game and then you know look the empowered our things started with the Jersey number and I actually started before probably started well. It started with the combine. The only the only redskins Redskin the only rookie interviewed by owner yeah at the combine with Dwayne Haskins the the only player called the night of the draft that he was picked by the owner owner was Twain Haskins. This started way before that man. I read your columns much more than you listen to my show but I don't this is the problem. There is no culture in without a culture that includes some level of discipline some level of accountability. Some some Group of people that are a good people are smart people. You're not going to attract anybody with real credentials. Nobody wants to come here. This is part of it. I I understand your thing is much more about you can't go after the fans like these players have done without without consequence but it's just part of the big you you know nobody can nobody gives shit. Nobody there's no consequence for doing anything. This organization is constantly stumbled constantly over promised and under delivered constantly said and done the wrong thing and as long as Dan's running the team especially if he's got the prince of darkness sitting next to him. Nobody wants it's to work here. You can't attract anybody that has a chance to turn it around and you don't have any other options. Somebody seems to want to work here Louis Riddick. I think we're Louis. Louis Louis Riddick wants to just mentioned people. That can't get a better opportunity elsewhere. No one's hired him. If you notice I know you know he's been this you know chic candidate for not president and GM openings and I don't even think he's been interviewed for all of them. Many hasn't gotten a job yet I can. We're going to get to to what he said here. Momentarily entirely Scott really likes the people really like him. He's very good on television. He's very likable. I had him on the radio. Show before likable guy you know when when a guy like that gets interviews views and is constantly talked about like you know he's a genius. He's GonNa he'd make a phenomenal. GM nobody with all the openings his given him that Opportunity Unity. I always think that's a bit of a Red Flag a little bit. I don't know but I do know this Tommy for fact. You know who really likes him. Joe Jackson Gibbs Gibbs likes riddick and gibbs likes Todd Bowles. I've been banging at Todd Bowles trump wild so have I actively thanks for listening in Todd Bowles. I think you you know if Dan turns to Joe. He doesn't have many other people to turn to. If Dan turns to Joe I do think that a combination of Riddick and bowls. You know a decent possibility. I Love Todd Bowles as a as a defensive so do I and I would love to see him. Get another opportunity. Even though why what am I ooh that. Why would you do that to Todd Bowles. If you love todd calls. Why would you want to see him. Come here and coach like if you really don't like Jay Gruden. Why would you want him to leave. Leave you know why don't you want him to have to stay here and be forced to stay here. yeah. I mean I don't you know this is. This is just this speaks to do this speaks to. I mean this is. I'm sorry this is archie three two three well. We don't go no no no. We don't no we don't accept accept. We know that that this rookie quarterback has already been empowered by the owner. We know that probably the agenda you're seeing out there are being put forth by Louis. Riddick is probably the Haskins in Haskins agenda and it's most likely Dan Snyder's agenda. I think it's both actually so we're we're. GonNa play this comments in a in a little bit or very shortly. Did you hear Joe on the radio. Show with me. Yes I did. I did think I heard I heard them specifically say I think that and this was pretty. This was pretty dramatic when you think about it. Dwayne Dwayne is seems to be a me guy. He needs to be a week. I J J Joe Theismann. This morning with me on radio said dwayne needs to understand that it's not is that it's we we yeah not not that leak messed up up and lie on my shot against the giants already referred to that. League messed up in a in a way that really upset people because he said I'd like Twain to speak so you know you know with proper grammar and remember that comment about that you know. I don't think I I'm still upset. Set that you know. Dan Put this number seven Jersey on Joe. I think it was the wrong thing to do. 'CAUSE JOE would've looked like the bag uh what's new show going to say no it was it was an an absolute no win situation for Joe but yeah I mean that's all that's I think. People people are going to gloss over this and what I'm telling you. This is like getting this is like getting a cat scan and all of a sudden. There's a there's. There's a spot that you're not paying attention to. This is the spot. This is the spot that's never gone away and it grows all the time within this organization. This is what gets in the way of all the football. This is what gets in the way it gets in the way ultimately it has led to a culture that repulses pulses people in the league it turns off the kind of people that you need to attract to be successful again no discipline no accountability and too much of the worse combination in business and in people. It's the combination of arrogance and incompetence when you have that combination. You can't learn from mistakes. 'cause you never think. I think that the mistakes are yours. This is the worst combination business Tommy's when you get arrogance and a level of incompetence in combination together they those th that combination never wins with the redskins. It's always been someone else's fault. Marty was a control freak. You know the Shanahan's Anna hands don't like you know our precious. Rg Three dam that drunk McLennan damn those injuries the last couple of years. It's never about Dan Dan in Bruce recently. It's always about somebody else has left us in this situation and that's the problem and that's why people like me who were lifelong. Long fans aren't nearly as passionate anymore. Don't really see a path to anything because at fifty five or fifty six years old however will Dan Snyder is he's not going to change his spots. He's arrogant and he has a level of incompetence in running a football operation that in combination gives him no hope none I don't and by the way having you know Bruce L. In there who's become some sort of comfort. I'm Fr- to him as the face of the franchise as his spokesperson in League meetings because he's become so reclusive and has become so hesitant to be you know a communicator it just makes it worse because Bruce is the least respected person from agents and players and I believe other team executives. Don't respect anything about Bruce as a football person. They may think of him as an administrative. You know some administrative competence that he has ads but that combination Thomason on on the radio show this morning the redskins should be if they aren't already should be a case study at Warton or HBO Arbor Business School like you're. You're absolutely how to suck the life out of one of the most passionate consumer fan bases in less than twenty years this. It should be a case study because there's so much wrapped into it. Psychology management people you know not learning from mistakes like just just the the mistakes over and over again that they don't learn from it. I guarantee the case. Study would produce the this answer. They didn't learn from them because they didn't think they made them. They thought they were someone else's his fault and that would be a great case study because not what you'd have in the middle of the the the resurrection the gifts reduce returns uh-huh brief moments say oh they almost had it but you just have to think that the most important figure in the history of this franchise as they managed to bring back and all it did was to slow down the brakes. Yup. That's all it did and actually hurt his reputation. Yes his professional reputation station. It's it's fascinating in so many ways to watch it from all of our seats because we're so close we follow the day to day detail it really he is because if you think about it if someone had told you twenty years ago that by the year two thousand nineteen twenty years from now the redskins would be on a two decade run of ineptitude and nearly half of their fan base if not more would be gone gone vanished no longer interested the team not not not shown up this stadium not watching on Sundays on TV. No one would've ever believed that of course not no chance anybody would have believed that and they would've said wow that would have been really interesting to watch that would have been really hard to do and it really is like from gist a business standpoint. It's so interesting to see how this has been run into the ground and you know and then you think okay. So what are the solutions what's next well. There's a guy out there working as a television analyst that if you listen to what he said last night leading into the Monday night football game Louis Riddick I think he thinks he can be part of the solution Russian. Here's what Louis Riddick said on the set with Suzy Kolber Steve Young Adam Schefter. I don't know if anybody else was on there on the redskins. Were a punching bag last night leading into the Monday night game. This was Lewis Riddick but more than a rough Golvin look quite honestly going on and do that. Game was really one of the worst decisions. I've seen seen so far this year as far as how people are handling quarterback all we have heard from the Washington residents all along on their coaching staff in particular was that he wasn't ready. He wasn't ready. He wasn't ready. That's why he's been playing case. Keenum should have been made to finish that football game. He started it. He's made the they're missing their starting left tackle. There's the starting right guard tournament learner best wide receiver this. You're out Jordan. Reed out you see some of the best teachers in this game Steve. We talked about this a little bit on the right over here. Guys like Andy Reid guys like Doug Peterson who come from a certain school of thought when it comes to quarterback developed. Why wouldn't they why why why would you under any circumstance it? It reeks of an agenda to me okay as far as saying look. He's not ready to play. The team is suffering. You've heard all along going all the way back to the dram about how there was dissension. About One guy coaching staff wanted another guy and that kind of thing right off the bat. You think Wayne doesn't hear that you think he feels police. Support this entire entire process as you. These are the kind of things I talk all the time about setting people up for success that young man right now is being set up for failure. Snyder needs to recognize that and say look you just right now eight another franchise quarterback and he's being set up the fail football game last night. You have some decisions to make about your brand is important afford because we were just there countdown and then it looks like a fan base and I was very happy. Going you want to hear something really interesting. We're we're GONNA get all those quotes but he mentioned Andy Reid. I would never have done this so as he mentioned that because that wasn't part of the quote that I played on the radio show this morning the Andy report I quickly pulled pulled up Donovan mcnabb's career and Philadelphia he did do it to Donovan. mcnabb mcnabb's first five games were in relief didn't start it didn't prep as the starter and by the way you know who the star was. Doug Peterson. Oh my gosh so Louis riddick Scott to get his facts straight on some of that stuff because I mentioned this morning there's a long list of first round quarterbacks that got their first game action long before they renamed starter long long list of Hall of Famers and Future Hall of famers that didn't have to get a full week of prep with the starting left tackle and everything perfect around him to get get into the game coaches great coaches. Bad coaches have put quarterbacks like Eli Manning Ben Rothlisberger Donovan mcnabb. Tom Brady to Shawn Watson Watson recently on Baker Mayfield last year. How about Daniel Jones. Do you know what his first action was. This year fourth quarter the cowboy game in week one so Dan Dan Marino didn't didn't start a game for his first action twice off the bench for David Woodley Brett farve twice off the bench in Green Bay for Don Makovsky Aaron Aaron Rodgers played off the bench seven times before he got his first start so this is not like this awful thing. That's never been done. I just want to point that out. I'm now. I think the key thing is when he says reeks of an agenda. Oh yes absolutely what do you think he saying. I think basically what he's what what he's saying is. I think he's saying when I think he's saying is what Dan Snyder wants to hear. I think Dan Snyder is convinced that the coaches Sanjay Gruden are trying to undermine his plan to have Dwayne Haskins as the next star for the redskins. I mean it's already been this divide between the you know between the owner and the coaches going back to the draft on Haskins and I just think that that Louis Riddick is I think AAC Louis Riddick is lobbying for Bruce Allin stop. That's what I think is going on the whole the whole thing from riddick there the first reaction because I was watching it live was he's. He's GonNa be the next general manager. It's going to be Louis Riddick. That's going to be the guy who's here. Gibbs likes them. I don't know about the relationship with bowls. riddick was a big big supporter of Haskins. You know on drought I know and and he worked in this organization knows. Dan knows the people in the organization. Let me just point out but I wanted to just I don't want to. I'm sorry I don't WanNa lose this. One thought in the one thought is if you're right and this is coming from Snyder you know oh and and Riddick is really out there lobbying and and they're they're all basically pointing it back to Jay. Why the hell is Jay Gruden in the building. I know How stupid like if if you think as an owner that your coach is sabotaging your first round quarterback it is this reeks of an agenda? Why is he in your building. I mean there's no way if I thought that from Sunday the J. would've ever made at home on our our team plane right. I I don't understand that. I think it's also possible that Riddick is getting this from you know maybe Haskins asking this would be and the people run Haskins. I don't know or maybe he just feels it himself but again worst decision so far for quarterback you know putting putting him into a position where he's going to be damaged. Snyder needs to recognize this and by the way this part where he says we've been hearing he isn't ready. He isn't ready. He isn't ready well well. We haven't heard that publicly some of us have heard that certainly behind the scenes and I've mentioned that on the show and on the podcast that he's a project you know in the football football people are saying he's a project. My point of view is the season is over. Who Cares if he's a project. Make it work coach them up. Give Him something that can work for them. We've seen this many times over the years once you realize your season is dead and the future is him you get them in the game name and you you figure out how to make it work for them. And if that's cutting half the playbook out you cut half the playbook out if that means adapting to the way he he plays in creating for him. You do that anyway okay. The other thing is about what they're talking about. Putting Dwayne Haskins in that game he was the backup quarterback yeah I mean he. He was the guy who was active. If he couldn't be your backup quarterback then make him an active active and pick up. Josh shots off the street and they Kim the backup quarterback if Cole McCoy can't play pick up a guy off the street. Keep Twain Haskins in active but he's your backup. Tell me you're going to go into a game saying well. He's we've got a backup quarterback that we can't play. What the heck is that it's it's I. There's nothing about the moment he put Dwayne Haskins into the game on Sunday Sunday. That would have made me think that this reeks of an agenda nothing starting with the week that led up to it. You've got an injured starting quarterback off a Monday night right game in a short week and you're already talking about Colton Dwayne and we're going to get some first team reps which he did in the walk through and then he got a couple of more on Thursday and Friday and then case was fine so you started case but case missed too wide open bombs to Trey Quinn missed them threw an interception as well and so then we got to Wayne Haskins. I was not thinking in the moment oh man. He is trying to undermine this kid. He is putting him out there or knowing. He's got no chance of succeeding and this is sabotage. Never thought that wants out needed the way I'm not discounting it as a possibility any. Everything's in play yes right now. It always is this is like the Coen brothers movie burn after reading. I didn't see that It's very good very good anything though is possible. The thing is possible right now. It is but so now we move onto the Patriots but so to do so. We've got to figure you're out the starting quarterback and we know who it's going to be yeah. I think I know who it's going to be but that's only if he's able to walk in a straight line without a wobble they can keep the doctors away from Cole. McCoy Cole McCoy is going to be your starting quarterback on Sunday and you know it's so funny. Uh of all the times to to to finally get back to the place. It's against the Patriots surrounded by a team that is he's just drowning in chaos. I mean let me let me ask you a question. If Kobe Koi manages to win this game is he does he go in the redskins skins ring of fame. This would be a look the cowboy Monday night game. They were ten point underdogs. Nobody gave him his shot if he starts arts without basically having any action since last early December and he plays well and he runs the offense. They upset the Patriots it will go down is an all time memorable redskin absolutely now. I don't think that's going to have okay. Let me just make that clear as much as I love love cult. I don't think that's going to have it. He's Jay's Hail Mary. Though yes it is because this is what he's wanted. If if Cho does something like that then Jay has the power then all of a sudden J. is empowered. Then all of a sudden you know the coaches is knocking on the owner's office. Listen saying I'll take this office. You need to move down to my office you imagine if colts starts and they win okay and then they go to Miami and they win again with and then they come home because Jay look the Jay's got this incredible infatuation with Colt McCoy. He's admitted to being maybe even a blind spot a personal blindspot and you know once. Kurt Kurt was gone on. I don't even think he wanted Alex Smith. I think he wanted Colt McCoy. The Art last year did now case keenum's at different thing because colts coming off the broken leg. You don't have Alex in so I think he was involved in evaluating keenum much more than he was Alex Smith and he said Yeah if we don't have to give up anything for them which they really didn't and Denver is going to pick up half his salary which should've told y'all you needed to know about. Case keenum to start with is that we're going to pay you three and a half million to take him from us. is that you know Sergei was involved in that but jay still had hopes hopes the case would basically be the back. This is before the draft you know in the keenum thing before they knew haskins would be available or before. They knew that the owner was gonNA come in in the first round around and say no no no. You'RE GONNA take Haskins right here. I thought he was going to get picked. Haven't you watched him. He threw fifteen touchdowns last year but he's wanted Cole McCoy and you know I want Twain Haskins to start Sunday. I want the reboot to start now. I want them to figure out a game plan. Plan that works. I want him to get twelve games of first team. Reps of first team meetings of first team game action of you know experience so that at the end of the year you've got real evaluation not whiteboard valuations so that you can figure out and you've got a better sense of whether or not he's the guy because as you know. I I'm among the biggest. I wasn't the biggest Haskins fan but I also like him from this standpoint. He doesn't appear to be the guy that you're going to damage psyche by putting them out there. I just don't assume that guy. I see him as guy. That's pretty damn confident and we'll could fail but not but deal with adversity in a in a positive way. Maybe not after that tweet from the other day. I don't know I think him out there but I think we're GONNA get Colt McCoy He. I think we are too and let's again. Let's make it clear to everybody thirty who here's what they wanna hear. I'm not saying that Colt McCoy's going to beat the Patriots. What I think is a likely scenario is Sunday massacre and then and then after that you see Twain Haskins against Miami I if he didn't start against Miami. I think I'd lose my mind so I think as much as I can lose my mind without you know being as passionate about this it would be more of the case study yeah it would be another. You know it would be another class. It's forty five minutes talking about why didn't start Haskins askins in Miami. The ECHO McCoy takes a beating like he probably will and the redskins take the beating like he probably will then then you're looking at Haskins in Miami next week. House surprised the priced or you that nobody's been fired. I'm pretty surprised I was surprised that Monday night game I left to go down to the locker room who had about about three minutes left in the game and and I as I walked down Snyder was walking towards me in the opposite direction you know with his army of of security and followers around him guys who who are very scary individuals by the way some of them and he was and everybody has the. Stop on on that platform when Snyder walk so you everybody has seen it. You can't security stops. Everybody and nobody moves so until he makes his way to his elevator of. Can I let me just say one thing. That may be now at a legitimate security concerns. I'm I am being serious. Don't you think they're probably been some threats against him. I don't know of a outfit but I was surprised that survived that walk from from from the owner spots down to the locker room that that Monday night I would have fired him. If I was the owner I would have fired him right on the spot however you're however however passionate however basically knee jerk that might have been. I don't think I could have stopped myself. I guess I should to give Snyder credit for not firing them I don't. I think I think right now. Dan's probably completely lost in doesn't know what to do and just wants wants this thing to end even though they're twelve games left. This is the first time in a while it's been a while since you know we got to to we couldn't even get to the end of September without without having the thought of having a competitive season. Well you know what you do when you're lost and you can't think everything's going bed yacht trip time for a yachts ref time for a little trip to the south yet fran baby. He's also got bruce in his ear. You know in Bruce's saying you. Do you know what our record was. When Alex Left Dino what we've been since that was the right decision. Oh by the way. Have you seen what Kurtz doing in Minnesota. We you're right about that also like Br. He must be an easy mark for Bruce and Bruce's talking about the injuries again. Look at the injuries. We didn't have our are starting left. Guard or starting are starting guard or starting center. WE'VE lost people already. McLaren's been our best player. That is a draft pick Dan. I mean we're right about this. This kid we just we haven't gotten a break but it's coming soon. It's coming soon. This season has not gotten off to the start. We thought we have you know we're close close. We're close. That was one of the interesting comments from Bruce yesterday from J. Yesterday was him saying hold on. I need to find it He said Tommy after the game on Sunday Owen four is just a big surprised everybody out here you know everybody in the building and by the way. I'm sure it is nice to me. It's not that much of a surprise to you. I thought they'd be too into they were picked. You know pretty much universally as one of the three or four worst teams in the NFL coming in odds wise is for the Superman. I didn't think they were that bad. I know you didn't reality just sales over their heads. Though consistently you know Bruce in Dan talk each other into into with Alex at St Healthy we would have been in the Super Bowl and that's why there was no reboot in January because Dan bought into what Bruce was telling him. We're close. We miss the playoffs last year by one game. We miss the playoffs two years ago Dan by one game when we were seven and nine and Dan look it up. He's not following football. They four games out of the playoffs in two thousand seventeen that one game out but I don't you know this goes. I mean you know how I felt in January. I wanted to reboot in January. I I didn't see this as anywhere near contending or playoff team or you know a better than five hundred team and they had an opportunity to to take the nuclear your option. If you want to call it that on now Smith with all the dead money and cut people like Norman Davis and that was all part of the plan that I think they should have employed trading Trent Trading Kerrigan Oregon you know and and that's it and here they are now what makes it worse of. Maybe is here. They are with a quarterback that only the owner perhaps wanted yes and that football people may not want and by the way the next group of football people unless it's Louis Riddick who was a fan of Haskins may say hey. I'm coming but we're going to draft to. We're going to draft Herbert or we're GONNA draft hurts or we're going to draft from because we're going to have a top two or three pick and they are real. NFL quarterbacks in the future if they think that way. I don't know what they think. You know. It's remarkable when you think about I mean just to show you how how swiftly and sure medically things have fallen in just four weeks going into week five here. Tranquil Liam's is still holding out and nobody nobody even mentions it anymore. It's not it's not even a blip on the radar. No it was the story that consumed the whole summer and now it's it's nothing changed except things have gotten worse for everyone else. WHO's been here. Do you think trends thinking. Trent wants to get the accrued season. You know now yeah. He wants to come back but I think it's week ten something like that but yeah it's it's so meaningless compared to the s show that's going on out out there right now with an. Owen four start that they couldn't see coming with the the roster. Look the the the single biggest surprise through four weeks. mm is not to me that their own four. It's that the defense has been so bad. Yeah I agree. That is why I I'm shocked at. Muskie stoned the building because I think a lot of it has to do with him. I think a lot of people believe they have much better town than what they've played and they do. They've got better talent. I you know I wasn't buying into into the top five things but I thought it could be a top ten to twelve defense which would have been an improvement from last year and it's been godawful and we're right now historically at a historic awful sixty three percent third down you know Raymond James Not Worse. When Jonathan Allen came back it didn't can get any better it. It almost got worse. It's terrible and I specifically by the way on Muskie and the defense from what I am hearing i. I haven't mentioned this yet so I'm GONNA mention it here with you. I forgot to mention it on the radio. Show this morning. there's a lot of frustration on on the coverages ages in particular remember. They brought Ray Horton because last year you know the. DB's room was a mess well. Apparently it's not any better right now and Manetzky in the defensive pensive staff have have apparently just been way too complex with some of their coverages and you can see it pre snap. How many times Sunday Sunday did you see confusion pre-snap even with a guy like Dunbar at one point Moreau in particular multiple time same. What's the call. What's the call and this has been? Apparently you know an issue that that they're trying to. They've got like an expanded defensive playbook and it's. It's just way too confusing because you've got new players back there. You Know Moreau finally came back. Dunbar finally came back Landon Collins New and you know but I would take it a step further and say look Jim Jim Thome Soula who apparently by the way. I heard this yesterday from J. P. Finley if Muskie goes Tomasulo may go to did. Did you know that I think I've seen that reported before so because they're tight the yeah that that may be part of the reason. They're not turning muskie loose but you know it's been awful. All has been their run defense. Their run defense has been bad. Yes so I it's it that is the biggest surprise is that the redskins are among the three or four right now worst defenses in the NFL in a lot of category statistical categories and that's the biggest surprise to me. You Know Owen enforce not a massive surprise. The fact that it's been a primarily because of a horrendous defense certainly in the first three games is the biggest biggest surprise. Yes I actually thought they played harder and Sunday but still weren't anywhere near there better with Dunbar out there. That's obvious anyway quick word about my bookie dot. Ag Many of you Tommy Dino how hot the smell test is. Do you have any idea now you making money hand over foot put in the last three weeks thirty eight and one. Are you kidding me. I hope you're donating money to charity overall in the season thirty six fifteen and one. I hope you're putting some of this money in in you. Don't worry about my shoot the basket on Sunday for you know what when I am in church on Sunday. 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Ag Today use my Promo Code Kevin DC. You play you win. You get paid all right. Let's get to the game tonight. we've got a wildcard game. This is actually really exciting. You know their first four playoff visits were as division champions by away all four of those series they had home field advantage and now they're entering the playoffs as a as a wildcard team. This wild a card you know the two wildcards system has been in effect since two thousand twelve. You've only had one world series winner commanded at that was the twenty fourteen giants who beat the pirates then beat the nets in four games and then went on to beat the royals in the world series phenomenal world series with Madison Bumgarner coming out in game seven first question to you is do you think they've made the right decision on the starter tonight. Yes yes I do I think I I compared it to a hoosiers Jimmy Chitwood situation in other words everybody in that locker room if I really do think this if they had picked Strasbourg Stephen Strasburg. I think people in that locker room would've look at Dave Martinez like they looked at at at the gene Hackman in hoosiers and say really you know Jimmy's here. Jimmy needs to take the shot. I think Max Scherzer is the Alpha dog in that clubhouse. I think if people think he's healthy I think the expectation was is that he needs to have the ball is the right decision. Well it will prove the right decision. I don't know but I know in the dynamic that fans hate fans hate this kind of stuff because all they care about the numbers of the dynamic inside that room. If sherzer could pitch he needed to pitch. That's what I believe and he's he's looked more like himself. Recently you know one of the things you would look at is that he has not been a great postseason pitch. He hasn't all right He. He's got a very very spotty. They track record yeah. you know he has had many opportunities obviously in Detroit and then four opportunities here threes starting than remembering in the fifth and deciding game against the cubs he came in as a reliever and got lit up two outs two strikes and then they got like fun I and then then then the innings is when he gave up three or four straight hits and then you had the passed ball the hit batter right. I mean just chaos yes so he you know he's had some rough outings but you know in. Strasbourg the last time we saw him in the postseason he was great in the fourth game that they had to the have when there was some question as to whether or not the sniffles would keep him out of the Yes. Logically I understand why people would want Stephen Strasburg to start his going into going into the end of the season. His record was much better better your a yes as Corbin's to ensure again I and this is I forget who the quote was but somebody once said about commitment about particular player I had a commitment to his heart and that's what they are which yes no doubt he is their Alpha dog competitor yeah and and that's what they see in him. That's what Rizzo season him. That's what the learners owners. I'm sure seeing him. That's what Dave Martinez season and Strasbourg in his you know he said three postseason starts for the nats he started game mm-hmm one against the giants in two thousand fourteen gave up one earned run in five innings and then and that was the series where you thought the pitching pitching was the pitching wasn't good enough. I you know and they hit one eighty five for the series or whatever it was he lost the take peavy yeah exactly in that game because he only went five innings and then he pitched in game one against the cubs in two thousand seventeen where he allowed no word runs in seven innings things in just three hits and then he was obviously they lost that game they didn't generate any offense and then he came back in game four against the cubs and was brilliant pitched. Seven innings of three hit. No earned run twelve strikeouts in that game his era three starts in the postseason is zero. Oh point four seven Kevin so I max is what four something I think three point seven three I think or whatever it was look I I don't. I don't necessarily have a problem with the decision I would have been fine had Strasbourg started but there is something about the way Max Max I know is going to come out here. His I know the results haven't been there but sometimes but he's he's. It just seems like he's up to to the occasion. He is my favorite type of athlete. You know the Russell Westbrook type of athlete that you just know you're going to get a fearless competitive petted effort and that's what you have to have a one game like tonight. Listen as a was willing to say it 'CAUSE I. I wrote this column for today. Exactly saying this and I was talking to some players in the clubhouse yesterday during the workout before the workout and how Kendrick did say you know. Max has been our ace for a couple of years. His resume speaks for itself. Would I think if you if they had picked Strasbourg while everyone respects what Strasbourg has has done. I think a little bit of air would win out of the room. I just think and I know it's human nature. You may hate it as a fan. That's people and that's a big part of the decision says you can't you want everybody on board yeah in that particular situation as well it'll be interesting tonight there couple of interesting potential -sential. Dave Martinez big decisions and I'll just start with this. Are you confident in Him and his first playoff game against the guy. That's really good in Craig Counsel Yeah Yes. I am okay okay so I think he's a very good manager. Will he pull sure Zor early enough if he's struggling knowing that he's got Strasbourg in Corbin that he he could turn to to start in inning. Let's say if if Max gives up four earned runs in the first to absolutely you don't think you'll hesitate because Strasbourg so this is Strasbourg state of pitch he could pitch seven innings needs to so I mean no. I don't think he'll hesitate there. I heard you talking about it on your radio. Show this morning. I'm glad you let's I happened to catch it on the dial recognize that the voice as I was looking around data really know and you brought up the scenario and with mark sucker in about a pinch hit scituate. That's where it's going to be a little bit dicey. Yeah I mean because d take out a guy. Who is you know maybe giving up one run in six innings. that's going to depend on the scoring opportunity your face with like he came up with bases loaded into out. Yes you're going to take them out there you have to. I mean if you've got a runner on second and it's a tie game no. I don't think he's pitching lights out no. I don't don't think you take him out because I think this team has to have at least until they get to Josh Hader in the eighth and the ninth before that eighth inning comes around. I think you have to have confidence that this nats offense will score runs and if it's like the sixth inning I think you've got to have confidence that your guys. We are going to break that one one tie and score that runners on third with one out and it's nothing nothing game one out in the fifth and he's pitched ninety housing. It's nothing nothing that's ninety pitches in the fifth and he has a catch Perot. Hey Eighty pitches and he's staying in the game for me. Yeah Yeah I mean because I mean they're. GonNa walk the next batter anyway so it's going to be the but they've they're not gonNA Walk Sherzer. He's up and then potentially. You're going to get into a situation if you can't put a a decent ball in play where he hits a long run if he hits the sacked fly but yeah you you'd want the guy that you're you're confident can actually drive is a man with a sack flaw. Look a one game. Playoff is utter chaos. I love this. I like it too. I'm glad baseball. I I wanted the nats to win and I won a series against the dodgers but it would be really. I love this stuff if we've got a lot of strategy decisions in this game tonight yeah you know a lot of late inning strategy strategy fans. Do you think anybody other than Strasbourg Corbin Hudson or doolittle will pitch tonight if if people aren't getting shelled constantly you know if it's a if it's three to kind of gain I don't think so. I don't think so I put up this scenario before we started the podcast you know everyone assumes its Strasbourg following sherzer in terms if unless it's like the eighth inning then you're looking at probably do little hudson or Hudson doolittle eighth and ninth inning but I put I put forth this scenario of you've got. Let's say it's the sixth inning and you've had Sherzai. I throwing ninety six ninety seven ninety eight miles an hour. They've been watching heat. You know the brewers for six innings and then you bring an Atoll Sanchez as an adult Sanchez is thrown seventy five eighty miles an hour fifteen pitches all over the place and these guys who have been looking at nothing but here. It's it's interesting are are all of a sudden. They're off their game. They're saying I mean they're. They're swinging early on everything you know and but I think Sanchez straight favor exhaust speed stuff is pretty good. You're his changeup turned out to be great and I think ultimately if they have to go through all their starters. Sanchez obviously is their game one starter in La and so they need him for that right so I understand that yeah I mean I'm actually interested if let's just say a Strasbourg came in well no I mean what if he came in and got lit up in one inning. Would he be but somehow they survived. They advanced what he's still. Be Your game pitcher. You know there's so many things right now. Look this is when you are down to have to win to advance Vance. You don't even worry about the next game. No no if you have to start vote there is no tomorrow I mean you. You do whatever you need to win tonight. The Kendrick should start at I do. I think that's a smart and he's a clutch really is. He really isn't getting him ready for this moment so I think he really is. Here's the Roster Austin that that they've released. So is it out okay. It's out of here tonight. Patrick Corbin Sean doolittle Daniel Hudson Annabel Sanchez. That's Max Scherzer Stephen Strasburg. The relievers are Fernando Rodney honor stricken and Tanna rainy rainy is the guy that Aaron told me said before the show he could see coming in in one situation yeah that was quite. NC rainy on this postseason Aaron said to me before the show. He said I I could see because I said. Do you think it's just do little in Hudson after Strasbourg Corbin who said I could see rainy in a one batter situation. Yeah I can see that I two zero on the postseason the only thing I can really think of unless there's some specific matchup thing that rainy has more of the swing and miss stuff so you have runners errs on you need a strike out here you bring rainy and his numbers may be great against the Brewers to fraud. I know I hope we don't see Fernando Rodney tonight. At any point. Look you might the game's over the game's over one way or the other either by five or down by five. If you see Fernando Rodney they've got three catchers including rowdy read as one of their catchers because I think they want flexibility there of using a guy like Gomez as a pinch hitter mhm off the bench and still have a backup catcher. Suzuki like I told you last week if Shire's was a starter Suzuki would-be to catch catcher and that's been the case Max's more comfortable with Suzuki back there than with combs. You've got mad atoms you got Cabrera. You've got Dosier Kendrick Don Turner and Zimmerman outfielder. Besides eaten you got power and you always soda and you've got the two who speeds there's Andrew Stephen and Michael Michael Taylor because I mean like I've reminded everybody it was a stolen base that changed the history of baseball spall in two thousand four when Dave Roberts Stole Second Base for the Boston Red Sox against the New York Yankees stolen base could prove to be very important so that's the roster for tonight. yeah and we'll get the starting lineup here in about well from few hours. It'll be a few hours from now as we're doing the podcast test how are you. I'm not going. I'm surprised you're you're and I've been at I've been at every game five life I now for the first four anyway and I've loved all of them except for the people that asked me to stand to sit down when there were two strikes Layton Innings i. I you know what this new show. You know I'm getting I'm super early like he would be a home by midnight relation. You WanNa know something if they if they win tonight if they win tonight you know what your boy has to do what your boy has to then drive to. Bwi Sleep for four hours at a hotel BWI W I and then get on a plane at seven thirty in the morning to fly to La.. Why do you have to fly to. Why can't you fly Thursday morning because they'll have a workout tomorrow. Dodger Stadium soon as I l look away boy. This is one reason I'm really pulling from the win. I've never been to dodger stadium. Oh you haven't I've really ever when I used the travel a lot. It was with covering the Orioles Yeah so there in American League team. I've been and I remember I told you when in my previous professional life I've been to a a lot of yes ballgame dodger stadium's one of them and by the way it's not nearly as impressive as it appears on TV. I really like I by the way chevette ravines dump they've. They've they've put in a lot of money fixing up. You know you know who the party was to be there. I mean to be in dodger state. You know who the boss is out there. Stan yes in casting. He's been fixing things up getting things right yeah. The I think my I think my favorite may have been the like like one of my favorites was the old Busch stadium which I really enjoyed well. I ate it well. There was something about a cardinals game which by the way that cities a real oh baseball and they had a big series in town and I happened to have been in Saint Louis and I went in the atmosphere was phenomenal in the whole thing now that stadium is a nineteen seventies indies. RFK that type of style but I think that game was an unbelievable big. Regular season game that I went to was probably early. In the early early-to-mid I spent a lot of time liked saint. Louis is a town so why it's a great restaurant town. It's eight music town. I had great times in Saint Louis. I spent a lot of time there in ninety eight during the mcgwire. Sosa run a lot of time so you'll go to L. A. E. L. L. So Games one and two or Thursday Friday Saturday would be the travel day so that means games three and four would be Sunday and Monday here. d you think they they can make a deep long run in this postseason. No you don't why because they have a bullpen. They don't have a bullpens has been you're. I mean we'll see they don't have a look. I think like it's not a one game playoff but a five game series they're still on a luck and chaos involve so I think five game series they still with their starting pitching they can maybe get by because the five game series is going to be against dodge. I know the and the dodgers are very good but again as we've seen numerous times a five game series is there's a lot more luck in a five game same series then there isn't a seven game series that just is. Do you think they win tonight. I think they win tonight. I don't see how if if they continue to play Oy I don't see how they get past the s with with the bullpen they have. I just can't I just can't understand how that could possibly happen but but I think given what they've been through they would make it for the first time to the League Championship series. I think a lot of people would feel a sense of accomplishment. Yeah I mean this really really has been an unbelievable season. He's ever done this before. I mean the it's an remember. The discussion about Ninety Games was ridiculous then one ninety three yeah. I don't know what they would match last year's record when they were down and out. I thought well they'll be lucky if they get to eighty two win over five hundred they would. I'd have done something they've they've just I mean and one of the things I wrote about Sunday or Monday in the Washington Times. He read my stuff if Washington I do I read it all the Click on sports I in a way read your columns more than you listen to. My radio. Show yeah well because one takes three hours one takes five minutes. Oh I'm not asking you to listen to all three hours so I wrote that this actually this roster as opposed to other rosters by the way your columns column steak about thirty seconds. This roster may have been built for this kind of season. No words the guy so you have on this team. We're probably much better suited to have the comeback season than the ones that they had an all four of their each champion. East title seasons those those were No. I'm not using this in a derogatory term but they were front runner team. I mean they they started started out running from the front and they were good at that because they were clearly to most talented but when adversity would come in when they would be pressed to come from behind hi they tended to fall this is the opposite this is a team that has done the exact opposite of that and I'm convinced it's because of guys they brought in like Suzuki Zouk and gums and the other guys that were brought in the youngsters like like Juan Soto and Victor always I this is not a knock-on Con Price Harper okay. I don't mean to be a knock on Bryce Harper. I understand this but FRY price harper became exhausting as a team may not a bad not me but just I think for Bryce Harper. There's there's a burden that comes with playing the game that guys like wants Soto and Victor Victor Robots don't have they come to the ballpark and they're they're. They're they're dancing the minute they walk in and I WANNA I WANNA make a big deal but I think price harper through no fault of his own because of his stature because of the attention he's got since he was sixteen years old. There's a bit of a burden for him. When it comes to playing baseball and you could feel that in the clubhouse sometimes he never felt that this year he just felt a much lighter atmosphere? It's not criticism. I'm up Bryce Harper. It's just the way things are the the back to talking about the regular season this sports sports so unique that because the regular season is so long that there's real accomplishment in this regular season no matter what happens tonight. I know it's going to be very disappointing if they lose tonight and I think that there is this sense of what you said. This is a team that by the way in their first four playoff appearances didn't play the last ask three weeks or months of the season with any sense of urgency you know they've had this sense of urgency this having to win and not in the final weekend after they had wrapped it up but but maybe that bodes well for this postseason and maybe they're built better for this you know after nineteen thirty one to win ninety three games into have tonight is an accomplishment whereas in basketball and hockey and football you know it's all about the postseason pretty much yeah so much more so and maybe it's just the length of the schedule and by the way one hundred sixty two games is much more of a true reflection of the kind of team. You had versus how you fared in a best of five. I always wanted first year to natural town. Remember they went fifteen thirty one at the beginning yeah and everyone and everyone thought they collapsed in the second half and they finished eighty one and eighty one year. That's who they weren't. They weren't eighty one in eighty one team in a way the schedule corrected itself. They were not a fifty and thirty one team. Yeah you know for me tonight. I'm into this like I'm ended this team and it's nice for for people that have been redskin fans here in recent years and you know. I'm not a big hockey guy and really the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter to to meet the caps win or lose. I'm not invested. I'm not a hockey guy a not invested in caps emotionally or or otherwise I am in the wizards as you know and I am I'm in Maryland sports but for the pro teams like I would love to see to have the next three to four weeks of you know every night or every couple of nights having a a huge postseason baseball would be great to have a Championship League Championship series here. It would be great a world series. It's obviously but the phenomenon settle for League Championship drama of Postseason Baseball is similar for me to the overtime time in the NHL Playoffs or of an NFL playoff game the suddenness of it. It's so in in in baseball. It's the buildup that between pitches you know in a key inning late eighth you know late ninth inning and you you know in a one run game it is it's great theater but you know a postseason baseball spoke of always loved it. The Nets have been involved in their brief history here in Washington. In four dramatic playoffs yes all of which have ended in crushing. Falcon sort of helps build you know the the character of the fan base the thick skin of a fan base and you know I'd love to see them breakthrough so finally it would make you know that big lead that five nothing lead against Saint Louis in game five that they blew you know sort of satisfying the series against the giants. It didn't come down to a fifth and deciding game but you had the eighteen inning game to which was an epic. Yes you know obviously the game the fifth and deciding game. I'm here against the dodgers in the cubs. Especially after Strasbourg had won game four and there was a really good feeling about game five coming in you know the the most bizarre thing about that cup series of people go to disagree with this that Joe Madden who who who manage his bullpen far worse than Dusty Baker Baker did in that series Joke Badin used Wade Wade Davis here for a seven out save after he had I use them repeatedly throughout the series that is unbelievable how he got away with that that to me is that the nets were not able to get away late. Davis to take over that lead. I seven out a safer a guy who has already tired when he took the ball yet. Geo had a rough start if you recall in that went and then Sherzer came in and gave up a lot and there was another one of those fifth and deciding games where they had a big lead early they got a bunch of runs early I think the leaders three to one or four to one that fifth and deciding game that was that when they didn't come through I know that that there was a lot of sentiment in the nats front office that dusty made a mistake and starting radio and not tanner roark who they felt would have been more competitive in that situation well and but again Ed Dave Martinez is deciding unless something has changed. I don't think it has you know it was a collective decision to decide side who who's on the roster for post for for tonight's game but the guy who starts the game. That's Dave Martinez his decision yeah more so than a than a than a consensus with Rizzo Anybody Mike. Let's his managers Manage Matt. This is not the Houston Astros for better or worse I hope more than anything what we don't get tonight is Max going six strong strong and a one nothing lead and then getting yanked in the seventh like we did against the dodgers and I are. Here's the thing that you told me at the time I'm pretty sure and I know that Max Max sure there's never had a problem with it that he may may maybe he felt he was done. Remember that night. Oh yeah you know and he felt he was done in that spot but he we had a two hit shutout going through six and they yanked him in the next inning. It fell apart in their went game five. I hope tonight if he's got one of those gems rolling through the sixth. I hope he powers through it and we see him until he actually. I know that everybody says you pull him before he gets into trouble well last time when you pull them before you got into trouble. You got into trouble right but we immediately. We don't know the conversation that took place in four and man's Max ax handed dusty the ball. I know any right. He never he never said anything that do that. He was upset about getting yanked in that particular spot and I forget what the pitch count was exactly but that was That was a rough night. I mean they've lost three painful game fives in which they've led all three of them at at home now all that set. Nobody knows anything about what's going to happen tonight. Nobody has a clay spoil about anything it right now where it's like the worst. T- though my active play the Marlin tomorrow and you know yeah and you wouldn't know who's going to have less one hundred percent I mean everyone needs to remember that. It may not make you feel better after the game if they lows but nobody really has a clue. No what's going to happen then. They're a big favourite tonight. I heard Aaron. They're like minus one ninety. I've SEEN MINUS MIGHTY STU hundred It's all about shirts yeah I mean totally about him and about the situation that the brewers are gonNA throw. They're gonNA throw this. Guy Woodruff whose last two starts were to winning starts after two months on the on the injured list but he I know but he's GonNa their plan here. Councils planned tonight is to get him through the nats line up. Maybe once or twice three innings tops and then they're gonNA come in with relief really arrest one after the other what you gotta hope. Is You WANNA YOU WANNA be up before. Josh Hader gets in the game. That's where you want to be up all right so you like him to win tonight but lose to the dodgers no I I. I don't like to lose the dodgers. I think they can get by in an elsia. Okay I mean in and it's going to catch up with him. In a best of seven yeah I think it would I like them tonight and I don't like him against the dodgers. I think ultimately they've got great starting pitching and there's something about them. mm-hmm in the Astros in a rematch and the Astros are dominant yes right now they are. They're they're they're. They're starting pitching. Ridiculous is better than what Washington has and that's hard to say indeed all right real quickly. I do want to get to one other thing that Jay Gruden did on on Sunday but real but if you're listening to us on itunes or apple podcasts just rate us in writer quick review but rate us by giving US hopefully a Lotta Stars and subscribe that helps us as well with our advertisers two more things. I WANNA get to real quickly Tommy before we end the show number one. The look ahead line line for the dolphins redskins game. Next week is pick him. doesn't mean it's going to be pick him but that's the look that's just one book to be. It's one I books folks. Have it closer to between three and seven I will. I've actually seen between one and three I've not seen any any look ahead. At seven I saw sea apparently plans on six okay well. We'll see I mean in these headlines are not always accurate because in this sport there's so many injuries and and the results that change the thinking but the bottom Adam line in any of this whether it's you know pick them to three the redskins right now our viewed with the dolphins and probably the cardinals is the three worst teams in the NFL L. and by the way Miami's actually played better in the last two weeks and seemed to care a little bit more the last thing I wanted to to to end with. It's not a full blown own coaching blunders segment. There were a couple this week. Maybe we can do him tomorrow. Erin a full blown coaching blunders a segment segment tomorrow. Remind me that if you don't mind and so Sunday there was this issue at the end of the first half he put Twain Haskins into the game in the one drive that they had for Haskins there was that fourteen yard scramble run that got him to a first and goal situation at the giants one yard line they try to throw sprinkle that was incomplete they ran. Peterson listen and after the Peterson play got stopped they they Pat Shurmur call timeout 'cause he wanted the giants to get the ball back after the redskins drive ended with either a field goal or a touchdown which by the way was really smart. Jay Probably was surprised by that 'cause he doesn't is it usually call timeouts on defense to get the ball back at the end of halves. It's not something he's figured out how to do very consistently but what happened then was was that Jay gruden called Twain Haskins over to the sideline and they started to you know have a long conversation. Dwayne took his helmet offers drinking some water and they're talking about what they're going to run on third and goal and and meantime the shot clock the the J. calls it the shot clock I almost I almost just call it that as well. It's the play the clock started to roll it started to roll because when Shurmur called the time out it was a thirty second timeout which by the way in the NFL few watch NFL Games you no the rhythm of watching an NFL game typically late and a half late night game. The timeouts that are called are thirty second timeouts. They're not full blown television commercial timeouts and the reason for that is there are nine timeouts per half. You know that that happened in. NFL National Tele TV game two of them are locked in all right end of the first quarter and the two minute warning of the first half and then in second half end of the third quarter and the two minute warning those are locked in two minute television commercial breaks and then in each half they have to work in another seven and those usually happen after score after a punt right or if a team calls all the time out earlier in the half and those go to television commercials and you're watching a commercial but typically once those are used up there all thirty-second usually those thirty seconds skains happened late and a half will jay was asked about this yesterday because the situation May dwayne. Maybe look bad a little a bit like they had because what happened was when he went back out on the field. There were five seconds left when they were breaking the huddle and they had to burn a timeout right after the giants had called a timeout in so the people were like well. You know there's the rookie quarterback. This was Jay's explanation of what happened that that wasn't on Wayne. That was on me. the referee never told me when the ball is. I mean they're going to tell me if it's a TV timeout or WANNA balls me and wounded up. He forgot to tell me so. I'm just talking to Duane over there. Hey we're gonNA run this this and next thing. You know it's down to ten. I'm letting you know nobody told me so. That's that's my full. You know I gotta be more in tune but every other time we have a timeout. Somebody tells me Hey we're winding now now. You know what I mean. I get them out there but nobody told me on that one that was the guy actually apologized to me on that one so it was your fault. Jay MM and really Tommy in these situations. I don't know that an official actually had to apologize to hire you well. What are they going to hire you to as as a time management so this is one of those things that bothers me because Jay's right it was his fault but Jay's wrong in that heating. He didn't really need a referee to tell him this. You know if these things are important to you. If you have a sense of the rhythm of the game when it comes to the clock in timeouts and things like this you you know when you get into that late part of the half that there's a possibility we've used up all of our TV commercials in this one's going to be thirty seconds like there have been many situations where there's been a time out. Hey coach. That's a thirty second timeout. You don't need to be told he should be saying to to the referee. Is that thirty second or full two minute immediately. When Shurmur calls it. Are we in thirty because if he's in thirty seconds join Haskins never never leaves the huddle now. He's talking to the headset and he's staying in the huddle and they're calling. They're figuring it out there. They're over there. Yuk It up on the sideline and he puts him back in and you see the play clock clock when they break the huddles at five seconds and I'm like in by the way in the moment I was like what's he doing on the sideline. We didn't go to a TV commercial. This is a thirty second meantime to see no this. They're going to end up having to call time out and by the way you could use those things at the end of half or the end of a game you know he could use it on defense but they couldn't stop the giants of course but that is just these are the little things you know the attention to detail things in good organizations that are well run that that are well coached that do add up to the difference between maybe a game or two over the course of a season which could be in their case the last couple of years nine seven instead of seven and nine you know. I just it drives me nuts like how is a head football coach in the NFL as many many games. This is year six for him all right in Washington. How don't how doesn't the General Rhythm of the game in the time of the game to t two minutes and ten seconds. It's left in the first half. Give you some sort of pause of or thought of. Is this a thirty second timeout immediately. When Shurmur calls it you have to be told that no you should be saying thirty or full and they'll Yeltsin you coach thirty good Dwayne stay there. This is what we're going to run on third down that stuff bothersome. You're right those little things. The big thing is don't be a fan later by the way we did not address one thing and I'm glad we we. We still have a minute left here to do this. What did you make of the report about from Berry israel-gaza doc about the offer to reknowned for two hundred two hundred and fifteen million dollars over seven years well. I'm based on what I read I. I think it's a decent jason offer. I think that it's something that will not salt anti-rangoon or bore who I think are still going to go to free agency because they didn't bet on him this year just to turn around and sign with the nets they're. GonNa wind up paying rent don't if they keep them a lot more than they would have paid them if they signed him at the beginning of the year but it's not a bad offer it. I don't fat people forget. The Mar- free agent market last year was the disaster. I mean shadow got his money. Harbor had to wait. 'til March until a boar's was able to convince the phillies owner finally spent to get his money and nobody else got got the money anthony don't much as we may like him is not a move the needle player right okay. He people are aren't pain to show up to watch anthony. Rendell going to be upset if he's now. Resou- I graduated but what I'm saying is. I don't think there's going to be a huge market for much more than that. For Anti Rendong all four seats has one owner to take to gin up and it could be the guy in Texas. The Rangers are moving moving into a new ballpark last year. They need a third baseman. I don't see them pay in two hundred fifty million dollars for Anthony Ren dawn so I mean it's it's discouraging that he's going to go to free agency because anything can happen and free agency but I don't think this is a bad offer. Hopefully on Thursday Thursday. You'll be calling in from Los Angeles. Let's hope that that is yes. thank you for the day you were pleasant today and it was good to be with if you get good job by Erin back tomorrow. I think coolly will probably be a guest on the show tomorrow still trying to nail that down but it's a pretty good bet that he'll be on with me tomorrow. enjoy the day.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: The Giants' Eli plan, and a chat with Conor Orr of Sports Illustrated

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: The Giants' Eli plan, and a chat with Conor Orr of Sports Illustrated

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host at Valentine of big blue view couple of topics for you on today's show. I we're going to talk about the New York Post report over the weekend that the New York Giants appear to be getting ready to have ally. Manning return as quarterback in two thousand and nineteen. Although perhaps they are also going to be aggressively looking at finding an air in two thousand nineteen NFL draft. We will also be talking to Sports Illustrated writer Connor or about a variety of topics including officiating in the NFL this weekend's upcoming Super Bowl between the New England Patriots. And Los Angeles Rams and also a little bit on the state of the New York Giants. All right. Let's begin with some discussion of the news that Paul Schwartz of New York Post reported about ally. Manning Schwartz wrote that manning is not expected to go anywhere in two thousand and nineteen also said that the giants would like to find an air perhaps in the draft, or at least most likely per Schwartz in the draft said they're not expected to really pursue someone in free agency. Looks like what they will what they will do is bring ally. Manning back for the two thousand nineteen season try to find a young quarterback whether that's Dwayne Haskins. Whether it's Daniel Jones, whether it's drew lock whether it's someone else, you know. I don't know right now, we don't know if the giants will be willing to use the number six overall pick on. Buen Haskins or whether they'll be willing to move up to try to get Haskins if they feel like he's worth that pick. But it does look like if Schwartz is correct. It looks like ally. We'll be back under center for the giants in two thousand and nineteen perhaps with the idea that if the giants can find the quarterback they believe can succeed him that that young quarterback can spend a year learning for manning the two time SuperBowl winner guy that's been behind behind center for the giants now for fifteen seasons. Personally might take on. This is that I liked this plan. It is basically the Kansas City plan. It is what the chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes, drafting Mahomes in the first round letting him sit behind the veteran, Alex Smith for a year, then moving on from Smith and giving the job to Mahomes, obviously that has worked out well for the chiefs doesn't necessarily mean that it would work out well for the giants, but it does show that that particular path one where you draft that young quarterback, and you don't necessarily force him onto the field right away is still a viable one into days NFL. I mean, we don't know what kind of quarterback Patrick Mahomes would have been you know, had he been forced to play right away. We'll never know. But you know, we see a lot of these young quarterbacks come into the league right now in two thousand eighteen we saw some of them. Command and play pretty well. That doesn't always happen. It did happen in two thousand eighteen doesn't necessarily mean that a quarterback like twain Haskins could come in and play. Well, right away. If that were to be the case if that were to be what was asked of him in two thousand eighteen I've said multiple times and people who follow big blue view understand that I have always been a supporter of ally. Manning's I believe that there is still a path for ally. Manning to play good football. I think that he showed that the second half of the two thousand eighteen season when the giants played better offense when they protected him better. They averaged, you know, something like twenty seven points per game over their final eight games, which put them in the top ten in the league offensively. And I think that if you can do that if you can play like that, then it's hard to argue that you absolutely need to move on. If you're putting up points in that particular at that particular clip, so I for one I like the idea of manning coming back into. Thousand nineteen I liked the idea of him tutoring or mentoring a young quarterback if the giants can find one it's brutally obvious that the giants need to find that answer as the air apparent as the long term solution for ally. Manning, it looks to me the only real option in free agency is Nick foles in. There's no guarantee that you can get Nick foles. There's no guarantee that Nick foles can be even as good as Eli manning. You know, when you turn when you put him in an offense in a uniform other than that of the Philadelphia Eagles when you look at foles career. I don't believe bolsa's ever been a sixteen game starter. He's never really had success outside of Philadelphia. I see the attraction to Nick foles, I understand the attraction to Nick foles. I get it. I'm just not a hundred percent sold that Nick. Foles can do outside of Philadelphia. What he's done in Philadelphia. So we'll see how all of that plays out. It does appear that the giants are going to to head into two thousand nineteen with Eli manning. You know, now the question is can they identify a young quarterback this draft that they feel like can be the air apparent and will they be in position to to get that quarterback. We'll have to find out once we get to the NFL draft, and everyone will have opinions as to which guy that should be Dwayne Haskins looks like quarterback one in this draft and pretty much every team that wants a quarterback is going to be trying to find a way to get ahead of the giants and get Dwayne Haskins. We'll see if the giants are are convinced enough that Haskins is you know, that guy that they would either take him at six or move up in the draft. To to guarantee that they could get him. You know, we'll see I'm not convinced that they would do that. At this point. We'll get a chance to talk to Dave Gettleman later in the spring, you know, as we get closer to the draft. And and we'll try to feel out what his what his intentions are. Alright giants fans with that said, let's switch gears here quickly, and we will bring in Connor or of Sports Illustrated dot com. What you'll hear next is an interview that I did with Connor that that was prerecorded where we discussed a number of of topics including your New York Giants. Okay. Giants fans I'm joined now by Connor or of Sports Illustrated, Connor joins us to talk a little bit about NFL -ficiating something he wrote about last week. We'll talk a little giants. We'll talk a little Super Bowl Connor. How you doing today? I'm doing. Well. Thanks. Yeah. And I was gonna say it was. Gonna add former giant beat writer to my listeners credential short time former giant feet writer. I guess right. Yeah. We we were going to get to that. I should've mentioned that right up at the top. And we'll get to that. We'll get to that. When when we talk giants. Anyway, the reason that I I reached out to you to talk initially was because of something that you wrote at sl last week something I happen to agree with in talking about NFL officiating some of what we saw in the NFC championship game. You know, it just that that the idea that the NFL has basically become too hard to officiate. Yeah. And you know, good point that was kind of brought up by my boss, and you know, it was lucky to have some time to kind of dig into it a little bit, and, you know, just from the most basic sort of principles, right? You know, the game is getting faster teams are more likely to utilize uptempo, you know, just athletes in general or becoming, you know, harder to track with with just your eyes. You know, that's why they're sixty five cameras at every game. And then you know to add to all that coaches have gotten so smart that basically every play borders on legality, right? It tries to create a legal contact. And so, you know, these guys are there is are being drawn all over the place, and you know, notwithstanding the NFC championship game where that was obviously a horrendous miss called. But you know, there are a lot of MS calls just because I don't think that they can digest the game at this current feet. I I don't think it's safe. I don't think it's you know, I, and I think that the. The need to do a better job of integrating of video and technology because we have it. I was going to say you have all these things like like pick plays. And every time you have a pick play. You could throw a flag. You can throw a flag on holding you know, on every single play. You can probably throw a pass interference penalty on a flag or pass interference on just about every play near asking these guys to to judge intent to judge my new shit to judge degrees. Of you know, what is the penalty in? What is illegal contact at speeds that the point that I've made is that I don't think people understand just how fast in NFL game moves and just how just how how quick everything happens. I don't think they can they can understand that from watching it on their television. No, not not at all. And you know, I was lucky enough. I not down during the NFC championship game to watch pretty much the whole third quarter from sort of the bench level. We're kind of where the player who seeing it. And my goodness. I mean, you know, if that's not a reminder of how quick that game is of how split-second everything happens. You know? I I don't know. What is and it's only getting faster. You know, we we've seen the forty record be broken twice at believes in two thousand nine you know, and that's just kind of anecdotal way of saying that like, you know, these guys. Have you know speed training? They've quickness training, you know, all this stuff. And I think that all takes toll that all kind of snowballs into into what we're seeing now. Obviously, you know, human beings are always going to make mistakes and everybody talks about increased use of replay. But then we get into how long do games last. You know, how many things can you replay? What's the solution? Or is there one in your mind, Connor? Yeah. No. I mean, you know, I thought that the solution is fairly simple is sort of been the Vela. Check proposal, which is keep everything the same. But just give us allow to challenge anything, you know. And I think the coaches will still be judicious with their challenges. You know, I still think that that, you know, things will move along in a certain way, you know, when I advocated for this in the first place on Twitter. Tony Dungy said, well, you know, what happens if you review that? And then you also see holding in the backfield our faith masks in the backfield. Well, it's the same thing that happens in your view play. Now. I mean, I'm sure officials look at you know, the spot of a ball it rather? It's a catch and they see five other things that they did wrong on that play. And and they have to just focus on the task at hand. And you know, so I I would say that. And I would say one other thing that I would propose that I talked about a little bit on our podcast last week. Was you know, if you're worried about this, you know, slowing down the game a. I think the NFL had one of his best rating seasons ever. I don't think fans would mind sticking around for an extra four minutes and be if you're really concerned about it. Stick a one minute clock on challenges and make it so okay? If it's not obvious the alle river on within one minute, then it should be overturned. And that way you keep a little bit of that human error aspect of the game. But at the same time utilize the technology. So I think those are some ways that we can kind of compromise and come together, you know, I I think this is a whole different conversation for another day. But I think that the fear of time of game speed of game was largely a byproduct of all the political mess that was going on last year where people were just kind of looking for ways to pick the game apart. I think that the the NFL is sort of beyond that now. Interesting. I do agree. I think that. That I do like the idea that if something is wrong, you should be able to review it. We shouldn't be able to say, well, this is reviewable. That's not reviewable. If it's agreed. Yes, we should be able to look at it. Yeah. No. I think that's that's plenty of simple. You know? And I think that you know, there's certainly going to be an earful from Sean Payton and gale Benson that the owners meetings for this Bill bell checks, always advocated for it. And you know, I'm guessing that I understand a little bit. From the officiating perspective, why you would wanna open that Pandora's box. However, you know, this makes it so you can't go back from here. Right. You can't have a game basically decided on on that on that una call like that. And then go back to normal, you know. And so I think that that that's really the problem with the league is saddled with right now. And if they don't make a large technological change advancement, something, then I think that there's going to be a big problem this this this coming season. So let's talk about the let's let's get away from officiating a little bit. Let's talk about the Super Bowl this week. And I have to admit that that come. Off the way to the NFC championship game unfolded. There's there's this gnawing feeling in the back of my head that the wrong team is representing the NFC. And I'm having a hard time actually getting excited about this game, you know, partially for that reason. But but spinning ahead and looking at this game. I mean, are you excited to see this matchup in in? How do you see it unfold? I'm very excited, you know. And and you know, I'm having a hard time to mean, I I will agree that certainly had that pass interference or helmets the helmet, call them then levied on the on the Rams, you know, we would probably have the saints here in this game. And you'd have Brady breeze, and you'd have kind of different sort of feel to that. But the thing time, you know, I I just think it needs to be stressed over and over again, it's just you know, there was a miss face masks on the Rams by the goal line. Gerry goffin? Let's got his helmet pulled off Sean Payton as passing the ball with under two minutes. Go when he could have been running the clock down. And you know, I think that the statements especially by Saint ownership a little shortsighted, and the fact that like that was a plus beak will see here. Like, okay. The reason we're not in this game is because of of this call on it. And so I think that yes. Was it a large huge contributing factor. Yes. But I'm not gonna let it ruin this week. Because for me just because this is gonna be great matchup. Sean McVeigh's one of the brightest young minds in football. I think that if Todd Gurley gets a chance to heal up a little bit. This is going to be a tremendous. You know, they could be one of the higher scoring Super Bowls that we've seen maybe in recent memory to. I just I look at this matchup, and I see Tom Brady, you know, again in the Super Bowl, you know, in Bill Belichick again in the Super Bowl. And I just wonder I mean, I don't know that we've ever seen anything like this. And I just wonder how long it can continue to go on. Yet an interesting, you know, we were talking about the Tom Brady that seventeen percent of all the Super Bowls, which is just mind boggling to me, and you know, one of my colleagues broke that down on unethical this morning, you know, how many World Series would that mean are how many Stanley Cup finals? And really the only thing that was remotely close to sort run was was sort of the Bill Russell. And and the Celtics, you know, and that sort of thing, but I mean, this is just totally different. I mean, the class of athlete is so different all the resources that everybody has their disposal or so different. And it's just it's phenomenal community that we're witnessing something like this. And you know, I've only covered, you know, been covering NFL since two thousand ten this'll be my six Super Bowl. And you know, I've only covered one non acreage Super Bowl, you know, which is phenomenal to me. But you know, I think it's I think it's something that we're never going to see again. You know, I I don't think that anything is is possible. Like that. I think Belgium came into the right time, and he found the right guys. He was in the right place. You had the right owner. And we're seeing kind of the Genesis of that. You know counter. Let's let's switch gears to one final topic here. And it's as you indicated you covered the giants for a little while. And I thought you know, one thing we're never going to see again. I don't think we're ever going to see again is ally. Manning lead another lead another giants team to a Super Bowl. So let's just talk about the giants for a minute. Where are you at this point on ally? Manning and on what the giants, you know should do at quarterback, you know, this coming season and long-term even after that. Admittedly, a little jaded. I got beat up on another podcast for my play. It might beginning of the season playoff fix that. They pulled up last week. And I had the giants winning the division and I had them going maybe game or two into the playoffs. You know? I thought this team kind of finally had it together. But you know, I I'm interested to see what the future looks like rely manning, you know, I wrote in a couple of other people wrote in December that they were basically, you know, kind of floating that trial balloon out there that okay, he's probably gonna be our quarterback in twenty nineteen. And then and then we'll see what happens after that. But if they don't draft somebody this year or make a play in free agency and get some sort of a sensible bridge scenario in there soon, I think fans should probably be pretty concerned. I mean, you know, I I think he likes still good quarterback situationally in the analytic support that, but you know, I think there's also an eye test to this too. And. Are just games where it just looks like it's it's not a functional offense with him in it. No. It's a difficult conundrum for the giants because they can obviously look at his age and say he's thirty eight we have to plan for the future. They can look at the one loss record. Then if they want to support the idea of him continuing to be their quarterback, they can look at the fact that they scored I think twenty seven or twenty eight points a game the second half of the season, which which puts them in the top seven or eight offenses in the league. So it's it's sort of any when you look at numbers, you look at analytics, you can kinda spin them any way, you want either way it sort of short term with ally at this point. Now, the problem the giants have and I don't know how much you've studied the draft at this point Connor. But the problem they have is this is a difficult quarterback class to to find you know, that guy that you that you feel real good about. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's really the. The kind of shame at all. I mean, you know, I think giant fan can argue until they're blue in the face, whether they would have rather Sam darnold or saquon Barkley, you know, I'm of the mind that. Yeah. Like from an analytical perspective is probably terrible decision. But if you're a giant fan, do you support Dave gentlemen, and the fact that like, you know, D one gentleman that believes you're Oster? You know, do you want general manager of it's not stuck in this compatible tear down rebuild kind of phase? I mean, he really legitimately thought that they had a chance of winning the division. And so, you know, you gotta give him credit for that. At least you know, that aggressiveness because there are teams that really don't have that whose owners and gentleman. Here's never spent any money. But now they're kind of stuck in this purgatory where I mean, you force yourself to fall in love with someone like Dwayne Haskins. Drew lock. And you know, I think that certainly possible, you know, and I would also advocate toward the opening up your mind a little bit. You know? I mean Cuyler Murray might be there in the second round. You know, look with the ravens Ray will do Lamar Jack. And you know, just some of the stuff that the game is changing so rapidly that I don't think that a franchise quarterback as we know it, you know, by Trevor Lawrence may be in two or three years whenever he comes out of the draft is really a thing that we're going to think about very much anymore. It's going to be healthy fits into scheme. And and that's really when you're gonna find out how creative and how kind of interesting your coaching staff is. You touched on a few interesting things there, Connor. And this is the last thing that I will ask you to address before I let you go. There was sort of the idea that the giants because they went with ally. Manning last season, maybe that they were all in to win last year that they thought they could engineer a quick turnaround and that really didn't work out. But as you look at the giants, you know, your perspective on the giants after going five and eleven you know, after seeing the first year with Gettleman and Shurmur your perspective on whether you feel like they're pointed in the right direction, or you know, or are they just in a in a continuously bed place. I don't know. I think it's all going to depend a little bit easy on how. Had the Odell Beckham situation, you know, fetters out, you know, I it's crazy to play so much importance on the shoulders of one player. But I think that the team goes he goes he goes your highest player paid player goes. And you know, I think that they're going to need, you know, some really sort of transcendent performances from him next season, or, you know, really some sort of buying that we haven't seen in the past or otherwise, you know, that they're going to have to get rid of them and find a way to make the cap work. And I just think that that sort of was putting them in a holding pattern in my mind in terms of of where I see them going in the future, obviously, the talents there, you know. I think that there's some good, you know, there's some good people on board. Their personnel department has always been to some degree in the top half. I would say of of people in terms of their ability to identify talent. So yeah. All that stuff. Should put them in a good spot. I think Pat Shurmur is a good coach I think he needs to settle in a little bit too. But from there who knows you know, I think it's it's going to be a really interesting season. Carber four let you go one or two just tell folks where they can find your work where they can find you on Twitter, if they're not already following you. Three that. Yeah. My Twitter handle is just at Connor or CO NO are in the last name is oh are. But if you really want the full Sports Illustrated experience great deals going on right now, I think almost ninety percent off the cover price. So, you know, less than less than a couple of cups of coffee at Starbucks for whole year of Sports Illustrated. So I would definitely definitely encourage you to check it out slick move. They're getting a little sl promo in there you go. All right. Hey, thanks a lot for spending some time. Hopefully, we'll do it again. All right. Thank you. Thanks. That's our show for today. Giants fans we think Conor or of Sports Illustrated for dropping by spending some time with us. We encourage you to please subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast applications. 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Giants free agency preview as tampering period begins

Big Blue View

14:37 min | 1 year ago

Giants free agency preview as tampering period begins

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's us podcast here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine, big blue view today's show is coming to you on Monday, March eleven and that is the first day of the NFL free agency legal tampering period with free agency signings allowed on on Wednesday afternoon that's March thirteen so today's show is going to be a quick overview of the giants and free agency. I I wanted to address the idea that keeps being sort of bandied around that giants general manager. Dave Gettleman doesn't have a plan or that. The franchise is. Directionless to be honest with you. I disagree with that. I think that perhaps Gilman's plan is different than the plan that summoned the fan base and some in the media, you know, would would like or you know, would implement if it was their decision. But I do believe that. He Pat Shurmur John Mara do have a plan. I think the beginning part of that plan was put in place in two thousand eighteen when the giants spent quite a bit of time and effort to change a locker room culture that had become a divisive sort of losing kind of culture. I think that the giants largely accomplished that through the two thousand eighteen season. They obviously didn't win enough games. And obviously the bottom line is winning and losing. But I do think, you know, they made some strides. They did accomplish sort of cleaning up. The locker room, you know, making it a better environment. I think they will continue in that effort. When it comes to directionless. I know that people get upset about the fact that he li- manning is still a quarterback. But I do believe the giants understand that they are in a time period. They are in a situation where they must go after you know, a new franchise quarterback. And I think they are doing that. I just obviously they studied the market last year and chose to go to saquon Barkley instead of a quarterback in the draft. They have options in the draft this year, they may or may not decide that twain Haskins is their guy. But again as I've said repeatedly whether they choose to draft Haskins or not if they if they pass that doesn't mean they're ignoring the situation. It just means they believe that Haskins is not their guy. I do think they'll address that that quarterback situation. As soon as they find the guy that they believe in. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. 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Check it out. When it comes to to free agency at noon on Monday is when teams can theoretically begin what they call the legal tampering window. We've done a lot of previews at big blue view regarding free agency. And when it comes right down to it. You know, the giants don't have they don't have unlimited resources coming into free agency. They have somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty four million dollars. You know, minus. I think maybe ten point six million that they have to allocate for their rookie class. I don't get all caught up on the numbers. I don't get all caught up on all they can only do this this and this because of the money that they have there are always ways to manipulate the salary cap. If the giants have a couple of players that they really want to go after. They'll be able to do that. They'll be able to make competitive offers to go after guys that they want in terms of targets. It's really obvious that with what the giants did with the alleviate Vernon for Kevin Zeitler trade with re-signing John hell, a PO looks like the one position on the offensive line that they will be going after that they really need to address going forward is the right tackle spot where Chad Wheeler just isn't adequate in that spot. I think it's it's kind of a no brainer. That the giants will make a big run at Carolina Panthers. Right. Tackle Daryl Williams. You know? He's a guy that Dave Gettleman drafted in Carolina in two thousand fifteen I know that big blue views Dan position has some concerns about Williams. But he is a good player. He's in -ccomplish player. You know, he's a veteran. Who knows what he's doing? He would upgrade the giants. Offensive line significantly. You know, if if they're not able to sign Daryl Williams, perhaps germy Parnell who was recently released by the Jaguars would be in consideration there other than other than that. Right. Tackle spot. I think the giants will use their resources whatever resources, they have, you know, to try to upgrade the defense where obviously after letting Landon Collins go and trading Olivier Vernon they have to rebuild that side of the ball. And part of me go back to the direction topic. I think part of what they're doing. Here is building a defense or trying to build a defense with the pieces that James Becher would like to utilize with players who fit into his scheme. Into his vision of what a defense should be. And with that said, you know, some of the targets that we have to consider, you know, heading into free agency, our guys who used to play for Becher in Arizona, one guy that I strongly suspect that the giants will make a run at is Edris, you're Marcus golden guy who had twelve and a half sacks. With bet you're in Arizona in the two thousand and sixteen season suffered a knee injury in two thousand seventeen played part of last season as he came back from that knee injury is apparently going to be allowed to hit the free agent market by air Zona. I would expect the giants with a need at out on the edge to make a run at golden wouldn't be surprised at all if golden winds up with the New York, John. A couple of other players to ran Matthew. The Honey badger is a possibility in the secondary. So as Dion owned Buchanan, a guy who could who could fill some of that Landon Collins close to the line of scrimmage role. So both of those guys might be in play for the giants as well. Some other guys, you know, whose names I've heard a couple of Chicago Bears slot cornerback Bryce Callahan out at corner where the giants could use some veteran help. Also, I would strongly suspect that the giants will make a play for someone in the in the free safety market the name that you most commonly here is Adrian Amos of the Chicago Bears. You know, a fairly young player who's been very good for Chicago may not be a dynamic playmaker. Intern. Terms of forcing turnovers and creating interceptions, but very solid player on the back. End of a defense guy who would considerably upgrade the giants over Curtis Riley who was a disaster at free safety in two thousand eighteen the giants defense, you know, badly needs a center field type safety, ammos seems to be the one who could be the primary target and allocating resources is one of the reasons why the giants I think chose to move on from Landon Collins. He's terrific player. Terrific guy. You know was a locker room leader popular guy with the players popular guy with the media popular guy with the fan base. Really? It's simply came down to the fact that I think that the giants didn't want to allocate massive resources to a guy who is basically a box safety a guy who plays close to the line of scrimmage, not that that's not valuable. But I think that what they see in what they feel is that they really need to allocate resources to the free safety position. And with that being part of the plan. Let's see now over the next few days if they're actually able to pull it off if they're able to get the guy that they want whether that's Amos or someone else will have to see. But I do think you know that. That the giants do have a plan here as I said at the top of the show. I disagree with the idea that they are completely directionless. So you know, we'll have to see how the next few days play out as the giants. Try to try to rebuild this defense. As I said giants fans, this is just a quick show to remind you that the free agency tampering period does begin on. Does begin this afternoon. And that the giants, you know will be you'll be hearing a lot of rumors. You'll be hearing a lot of speculation on Twitter on big blue view. Please check out. Our giants roster tracker to keep track of all of the the updated news and rumors. Check out our free agency hub page checkout. Pet trainers look at the at the salary cap Dan position to previewed offense and defense. I'm taking a look at what at players that. I expected giants to target over the next few days. So please also please remember to follow big blue view on Twitter to subscribe to big blue radio on all of your favorite podcast application. Check us out on Instagram at big underscore, Blu underscore view. Check us out on Facebook. Join our community at big view dot com. If you haven't so that you can you can take part in the discussion or giants fans, we'll have a lot more for you in the coming days when it comes to free agency. Thank you for listening to this very quick show. And we'll talk to you again soon. Bye bye. 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Quinton Dunbar: Trade, Release, Extend?

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:38:36 hr | 9 months ago

Quinton Dunbar: Trade, Release, Extend?

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin you're listening into the sports fix. Yep I'm here Erin sear and Thomas. Here coughing is way right in front of me onto this show. You claim claim. You're getting better and I know I've been with you for long enough period of time to know when you're really sick and then when you are getting better you still sound terrible and you look terrible but I know you're feeling better. Yes so it's good that you're back I'm back you know I. I wasn't here I. I missed Thursday Wednesday Thursday Friday and Monday I was out WEST IN UTAH. You're missed I well. I don't know about that but to I'll tell you I was at at one of those beautiful places where we were in park. City deer valley that area And out there for a wedding my niece got married. But you know you're a lot of skiing and it snowed from the moment omit we got there and there was there was there were blue skies bluebird days as they call it out there skiers And there was a bluebird day a blue sky day sunny day on Sunday but every other moment there was snow. We haven't seen any of it here locally so and you know how much I love breath. They had feet of snow. I mean they've had four or five feet in the last few weeks of snow and while we were there I don't know the probably had six seven seven eight inches. You know Here and there but it was. Did you ski so my boys did I. The one day that we could ski with Sunday And I woke up not feeling like myself after the Saturday night wedding. Okay and I just I plus I would have had to rent all the equipment and get all the gear and I was just like you know I think 'cause Carroll wasn't GonNa ski whatever you're doing I'll just hang out with you today. Let's go for a ride. Let's we went to Olympic Park. That day okay. You know we did some. We did various things but the boy skied on On on that you do ski right. Yes I but but we're not a big skiing family. Like I have a lot of friends who you know. Every year they're going out to Colorado or a UTAH. We're we're not that we've always been a family that if we go away you know when the kids were young for spring break or something. We're going somewhere warm. Warm warm is usually better for the she and let me ask you this if you had to take a guess skier or not. You're not a skier now. Not a skier. No but you would enjoy. I don't like you don't love cold weather but you know a lot of the skiing vacation is sort of the lodge. All I know you know I do know that and I know what you were because I was out there for two. Two thousand two Winter Olympics right. Although I was only at at the ski competition for one day usually I just like to stay close to the base. Yeah that's your move for Olympics. You're in a hotel. You're probably in a bar with your laptop open now following the events in coming up with some sort of angle on something that you didn't have to be live at an event for let. Oh you did. Sydney Salt Lake City is not sitting. No it's not a party town no it is not It's it's park city deer valley for those of you who haven't been there. Some of you probably have. It is one of those beautiful places you know it's just spectacular the scenery and And it was it was a beautiful wedding two But I I enjoy being in those ski places. The skiing isn't my top priority. Like it is for for some people I like the other aspects. I like opera ski as much as skiing itself but it was but we had a good time. We didn't really good to be with family and every everybody had a good time. Could you ever see yourself living out west. Well I almost lived in two places out West I many years ago almost moved to Seattle very close in nineteen ninety two moving to Seattle company that I was with was is basically going to relocate to Seattle. We were within a month of doing it but then long story short the CEO's wife got pregnant it was gonna be they they wanted th- it wasn't going to be the smoothest of pregnancies apparently and they wanted to stay here with their doctor set and that changed the whole plan. Okay but we were really close. Listen moving to Seattle and sort of close to moving to San Francisco. At one point I would have loved to have lived in the bay area. I've always loved the bay area. I know it's not the same as it used to be for a lot of reasons and then I think I've told you this but I didn't live in Boston but I commuted to Boston up and back Monday up Monday back Friday. Hi Dave for like twenty months and we almost moved there too. You Know Boston's not out west. You do I've you know that. Okay so try try. Try Try to stick with the topic. Yeah those were the two things I would have been thrilled to have lived in either one of those two places. What I was getting out of college I was a senior in college and I I already worked been working at a weekly newspaper in Strasbourg for about a year and When the editor went on vacation I actually ran the paper so There he was a friend with a weekly newspaper editor in crested butte Colorado. A real big ski town. I mean it next to Gunnison Edison Colorado one or two cold places in the United Rights and this editor wanted to take a leave of absence and He hired he was gonna a hire me to run the paper for a year so the we was about to get married. I was we were going to get married in June but we had to leave January to go out to do this so we moved up our wedding the January. I was leaving school semester early outs. I was leaving like twelve credits short and I was going to go live and Krista Colorado and run this white paper for a year and then a month before all this happened. He sold the paper so it it all ended it it. It didn't happen And ten years later Driving across the country I stopped in crested butte and spent the night there and had a great time and drinking at the wooden nickel bar my life would have been tremendously different in a town. Like crested butte. Oh yeah yeah I mean it was. It was a town full of skiers and burnt out. roadies that was pretty much what it was and even the skiers are burnt out certain degree as well Yeah I mean I'm not I'm not a West guy though I'm an east guy. I think I think both of us are sort of east coast. Yeah people I and I. I'm so glad that I still live in these coasts. But I you know you know it's funny time so Friday morning you know being on the clock that I'm on I was up super early. Utah time you're like really like it was two thirty three. I was wide awake. Not being able to move and so at about five I I just got in the car and started driving around. It was snowing pretty hard and I like going out when it's snowing. You know and and you know I was struck by just the lack of anything being opened you know like the coffee joints weren't even opening until seven am now there was a starbucks. It was opening at at six. Am but I had to literally wait to get coffee. There wasn't even a gas station so there are eleven opened nothing and oh I do remember sort of this. I'm probably wrong about this but that'd be a mormon. There's luck there's just less no now the work ethic you know in the employment rate eight and Salt Lake City's phenomenal and the work in the service industries. Incredible like when I because I had a client in Salt Lake City. I was out there many times in the mid nineties. These Harman's supermarkets they're smaller chains. Smith's was the big chain. Albertsons was out there. We had a contract with Harman's and they're very well known in Salt Lake City so I was out there a lot and I mean I rate work ethic the whole thing but it just starts later. I think this was a Friday morning and yeah there was a lot of snow but it wasn't clear whether they're professional less snow. removers Dallas Dell. It's not like Dallas at all Paul and I and I'm thinking to myself got around here like you know if you need coffee at any time of day you can go find coffee to wait until six. Am to get coffee coffee. So I hop open nothing. When I was down in Park City I drove further down towards the an area that had a big shopping mall? It was just look. They're they're more type as on the east coast than on the West Out West. Probably I guess I guess they must go to bed early. It's gorgeous gorgeous out. There and I did go through the Olympic Park area. which was you know Down now I have a question for you. Where was the Olympic Village? It was in Salt Lake City. I thought it was because the Olympic Park where the Bob sled and the lose the site jumping in a lot of those things was not actually in Deer Valley. It was just below park city this this huge area and I didn't see anything that resembled what could have been an Olympic Village. It was Salt Lake City that you enjoy those Olympics. My least favorite Olympic. Was it really cold. Well it was. It was cold but it was salt. Lake City Yeah. I've been I've been the Japan. I've been Australia you know. Salt Lake City didn't hold on or for me and the one thing I remember remember about it. One thing that Mitt Romney saved those elected we did because because of all the corruption they were on the verge of collapsing and the other thing I remember is the mayor going on TV pleading with residents to come downtown to eat at restaurants because they were empty. See this is what secrets I know you've read about this. More people leave a city when the Olympics are there that come in and businesses always take a beating and the restaurants down there that had hired extra help on on the promise that they were going to. You know be counting their money Johnny. Yeah we're we're we're getting killed. That's what happens in the Olympics when you host them right All right enough about that. You're at the cavs game last night. Yes I was. So so. What's wrong with them? Is it goaltending or is it defense or cannot go because they had two different goals I know they did and they had the same outcome and hope he actually played well Edmon on however you pronounce it. It's ironic you know. Hope shut them out and he should get credit for shutout even though he's only in half a game if he did did then he would have the new franchise record for shutouts among goal. He's right now. He's tied with alway coals for career. shutouts so but that's not the way they they score it but it's not the marked people are talking about goals that one seven hundred goals. What was interesting I want I was I was as with Barry Trots at his post game press conference and you can tell he was enjoying all of it not just the fact that they won but the fact that nothing against lovie but the fact that everybody in the building seemed obsessed with this milestone and they didn't get their throats trout's has seen the milestone caps before see this used to be the capitals they used to celebrate milestones? lovie got to this number backstrom got to this number. They'd have a big ceremony before the game and then they would lose in the first round of the playoffs you know but those that was the milestone caps and and these are supposed to be the Stanley Cup Cox you know. They left that behind and they've made a big deal about lovie getting the seven hundred. I certainly understand that. I think what there's only five or six other players who have gotten to seven hundredth seven others right seven others. Okay so I understand outstanding big deal about it but it's starkly reminiscent of the caps before they won the Stanley Cup Placing so much importance. Let's on on these individual milestones So I I think of and others when he gets a Gartner's ahead of him in seventh place with seven one hundred and eight goals. Yeah so he should probably pass him. So I think trots kind of enjoyed the whole scene the fact that they won and the fact that They denied the cap their milestone night. Even though he's he loves lovie and you know he said he's right you know over you'll get it and he actually trots predicted and it's nothing. It doesn't doesn't cost them anything to do this. He predicted that he'll break Gretzky's record someday. Well there's no doubt I mean we've done the math on this if he stays healthy and has average years for him in the next two. He's GonNa Break Gordie Howe he's GonNa Pass Gordy Howe for second he needs four solid ovechkin link. Years is to really chase down Gretzky. That's going to be harder. But he's got a chance to do it. Yes certainly but if he stays healthy how gort number two is almost a lock. Yeah for Ovechkin. Now they thought he had six hundred ninety nine last night. I know and then in the game and it turns out you basically use funny scene in the press box because some people tweeted it out right away but then other people realize that it hadn't been official yet who scored the goal So other people held off. Find it so everybody was screaming and yelling at each other. Kobe Bryant reporting situation. Well it wasn't quite like that but people were yelling at each other was it. ooh scored it. What was the goal of sitting next to? AP and they're frantic because they're the ones that have to get it out quick and right away they don't know what to say right because it took a warrior who stephen wine very very good and You know it took a while to get the official word that and it was Carlson right that got credit for goal so so that kind of suck the air out of everybody. Sales and the bigger issue for two caps APPS. Is You know They're not playing their game. They're not playing the game that they think they're capable of playing. But what is it's February. Anyway it's the NHL. It doesn't matter where they go in. They're going to be in the playoffs. I mean it'd be really hard. Even though their division is exceptional optional. Yes it would be really hard for them to fall out of playoff contention. I don't think anyone's yeah. And so. Who Cares if they're the two seat or the four seater? The three I mean last year all top four the top four seeds in the in the east they all went down in the first round. They've got the experience they're going to be a threat when we get to the get to the playoffs. More likely than not yeah. I don't know if the islanders are better orb Boston's better Tampa. Now is his hot as anybody. I don't know how the caps matchup up with them necessarily but it seems to to never really matter. Well here's the hangover question and it. It's the caps have no one to blame but themselves They had A. They had a coach. Who won the Stanley Cup in? Pay Them right and they went and hired a guy with no NHL Trotsky. Well no no no. Yeah you are no. I'm not I if the cats don't do it you'd like to see Trotsky. Well yes yeah. I would like that but I mean look I liked todd. Rear seems like a very nice guy seems like a good coach. But you know I mean Bruce. Boudreau seem the same way. Seem like a nice guy and a good coach and he hasn't gotten to the Stanley Cup. What do you think the big differences between Trotsky and reared Nar as coaches? I have no idea. Why would you ask me that just curious if you would? Have I tell you what I got one of his wedding bullshit answer and I was just GonNa say you have no I now now I do have one. What once taller than the other toddler is at least Tall Berry trialled? So he's farther away from the ice so it's more difficult for him to coach the game. You get what you asked for. I was actually expecting for one of. You're you know one of your answers that talks about you. Know getting pucks and traffic in front of the net. That's what I was expecting but we didn't. We didn't get to there all right Yesterday yesterday Quinton Dunbar which I think a lot of people want us to talk about Quinton. Dunbar decided to publicly state that he wants to be traded or released There are a couple of things to this. Let me start with this because I. I don't think we've talked about this Because we haven't been together together since a week ago I guess was the last show and you go Tuesday so I don't understand personally Why I this February tenth magical date with Ron Rivera? Yesterday was the date that the off season plan. We're going to be getting together or to start really getting after with the roster and making decisions and I I don't know why and I'm not suggesting that they haven't been working since he got hired. I know they have. I know that they've been watching a lot tape having a conversation. They haven't made any calls the treadmill and this is when I first brought it up last week said seriously you've been here for a month now and no one's reached out to Trent Williams. I don't I don't understand that. I don't understand this magic of February tenth in stole. Starting I get it. I understand what the the reason for it is what because that's the day after the XFL made its debut we'll get to the F.. and He Ron Rivera. Didn't want to miss the first week of XFL. Well and I know that he has certainly enjoyed some moments on the boat You know I think that he's enamored with a lot of the you know the Uh the big money toys You know and I Tommy I have all the confidence and I'm very optimistic optimistic about Ron Rivera. So that don't take this the wrong way. I also know what you and many other people will will warn everybody about in that is. It's never gone well for anybody that's come here. Even the highest quality of people. Yes and you know. I think he's probably in this first month. been caught up in a lot of the Dan stuff. Probably you know. I don't know that for sure. I know that he was spent some days on on the boat. Your during Super Bowl Week. You know and there's a whole lot of Mr Snider going around you know in the first month I just think in the first few days one of uh-huh at the top of the priority list would have been a McCall one of the best left tackle in football who's had a major problem with the organization and try to find out what his this position is. See if this is part of our future not and he admitted last week or eight. Nine days ago hadn't even talked to him. Yes you know. And then we get Quinton Dunbar and. I'm not GonNa let Quinton number off the hook. Don't don't get me wrong but I wonder why. A guy like Quinton Dunbar. At a position that is a major need position major knees their best court here only. He's the only legitimate player that you are likely going to have. That can start and play. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA cut cut Josh Norman. I just wonder why someone like that hasn't been reached out to either. But you know what they're moving to a new area. I mean takes a while for the moving vans. It's to get everything in for everything to get unpacked and to find the house and to do everything and to get organized February tenth. Yesterday was the day the problem is it probably came a couple of days too late to stop. Stop Quinton Dunbar from going public with. I haven't talked to these people I want out now. It's not a good move from Quinton Dunbar. Because first of all he's not available enough to be making demands. He played in seven games two years ago. Eleven games last year is played in eighteen of the thirty two potential games. He gets hurt. He's injury prone. He's had his problems. Yes so you've got a guy who definitely can klay the position. He is a starting. NFL cornerback. He's not an elite right. He's a good point. One of one of the Jay Gruden success stories. One one of the DOC Walker all time calls you know doc loves you know sort of those people that no one's paying attention to training camp and I'll never forget when he got converted coronary said this guy could be a good corner. He's got long arms. He's got rain. He's got real good instincts and he was right about him and he has all that he's played very well. Well I personally can't Stan- when somebody goes public like that I think it could be a reflection of something thing that you don't want in this culture but I'm also not going to suggest that they cut off their nose despite their face these. It's a position of need. He can really play. And I know that people like Quinton Dunbar and that they respect Quinton Dunbar. Any sort of an overachiever definitely and that. This may have just been a bad moment. So I'm just going to sit back and trust Ron Rivera in an how he handles this because I got no other choice. I don't have enough of you know sort of the relationship. The thing what they really feel about Quinton cause for all we know they may see you know what dude got a bit of a loose screw and you know we could be a problem now that he's become a decent decent player in. This isn't the culture we're trying to create or they might say look he's really good. He was frustrated. We hadn't reached out when we probably should have called him to say. Hey we're working on this stuff we're GONNA get with your agent because he does deserve an extension. It's the right thing for the football team to do to extend him. At this point time he shouldn't be playing next year even though he signed the deal. But this is a guy twenty eight years old. You WanNa be. I would think they would want him on the roster. You don't want him to play next year. And then become an unrestricted free agent. You should be thinking about extending him anyway away not at not at an elite contract level for the position. But he's GonNa demand some money so I don't know I don't I'm not of the position. Russian of okay. You went out see later. We got a new culture in town. But I'm also not at the point where you know what I it's just that you know young people that this is what they do in Italy. Fine just go sign him. Give him what he wants. I'm not there either. I'm just sorta going to sit and watch and see Ron Rivera whole handles it. Because they know a lot more about him the personality than we do you know and the bigger picture here is Ron Rivera. And how he's handling these issues right now. People who I respect who have taken over new jobs whether it's baseball or football or even basketball the over the years the first thing on their list is to either call everybody everybody on the team Or visit people go visit them physically. This is the first order of business see Z. you're working with. Yes see who. You're working with us on the ankle face and particularly your team leaders go face the face go visit these people you know yet. Get celtel Dan the spare one of his airplanes and fly around visiting these people instead of instead of fishing off the you know I don't know if he's grabbing off a young traveling I don't think so that'd be a long drop of a crab line but So it's Kinda surprising that they haven't undertaken this Particularly since you know Ron Rivera you know we've been told seems to be calling all the shots so I I mean I think it would just it would be coming on him to reach out. Not just the Trent Williams but to have met and or if not met spoken into everybody on the You know of any value on the roster. So as you're talking Erin hands me this from Ian rapoport moments mints of go all right ten forty. Am here on February eleventh. A potentially significant development for the redskins franchise left tackle title Trent Williams in new coach Ron Rivera have touched base for what sounded like a positive conversation. I'm told the next step would be for Williams to come in to visit. But the two sides are now communicating but. Why didn't they do that in week? I'm with you yeah I. I'm sure there's a lot of things that maybe maybe this is Rivera style. He's you know he wants people to sort of be. You know hanging out there sort of anxious over it you know that he's not going to sit there and in butter you up and Kowtow to you and tell you how great you are that. He's trying to figure everything out before he meets with you. I don't know what he's do that in person I itself but But Trent Williams would have been I think one of the first conversation. But it's not too late. You know like not too late on either but again I don't thank from a purely strategic point of view the only meaning they should be doing with Trenton. Williams is to figure out where to trade him I. That's that's what they they should be doing. I agree with that. I mean about that but then again they don't have a left tackle either now next year and I. I don't think that this news gene rappaport just broken. Remember in rappaport So you know it's sort of a fifty fifty deal there with him but if if the report is accurate then It's not an indication. Definitely you know talking doesn't mean that you're still not going to trade him at some point you say trade him because is that well you know what the thing about. Liam's that we still don't know is we don't know whether or not the surgery that he had the multiple surgeries that he had will impact him physically weekly. Couldn't get a helmet on. When he got back in December Alice's story I know The other part of this too is just when when it comes to contracts and reaching out to agents and potentially in the case of Quinton Dunbar reaching out to other teams and in the case of Trent Williams for possible trade. And who's doing that right now. Oh a shabby Ron Rivera with the help of Of Greg Smith Kyle Smith housemate. Ah I think it's probably a combination of Kyle Smith Ron Rivera Rob Rogers that the you know the guy from. I think that that's probably the combination but but right now we're under the impression that Ron Rivera is calling the shots and I think most redskins fans are fine with that. Yes yeah I'm fine with that and that's why I mean like a lot of times were supposed to be sort of What do you think you think they should trade him or recite them? I I don't know I what is wrong. I'm not exactly what it's run through. And tell me what Ron thinks. And I'm with him on that on that one I mean you don't want to see a guy get a little bit you know of of of an inflated ego over a lot of the things like pro football focus numbers that indicated that his performance last year in the eleven games he played was like top three or four in the NFL. The position. And I'm sure Carolina this is you know the the part that's frustrating for him is because you've had some change in the previous regime had had conversations with but nobody from this regime and don't he's probably those that he's the best quarter on the team and he's looking at three point two five million it's not even guaranteed in and he should be in line for a contract extension. I would be prior to him going public yesterday. I would certainly think that it was in the redskins. Plans hands to extend Quinton Dunbar. I mean unless they have a much better idea about the coroner's on their team. That haven't played that much. You know whether it's the the rookie from J M U Last year or Stroman. Or your you know. Danny Johnson or I mean Greg Norman's getting cut I mean that's it's a lock out Greg Norman Joshua National Arms Josh. Norman Greg Norman would get cut to Greg. Norman wouldn't be very good either so anyway there. We are on Quinton. Dunbar tossed Norman the matador. Yes the Matt. Well I mean who knows. They could potentially resign him but he's not playing under his current contract for this team next year. There's too much it's it's too much money. And there's too much of a cap savings opportunity by by releasing him but he supposedly these publicly expressed his love and admiration for Ron Rivera. Right and Jimmy Moreland was. The name is trying to come up training camp era. Yeah so there you go Quinton Dunbar you're good player all right if if you're not back next year I think the organization's going to survive. They'll figure it out and you know what if you're a corner on this team and if you think things are going to happen as we expect them to. Let's say you know a good young aggressive front seven at chase young to the mix you WANNA play quarter on this. Definitely I mean you you. You're you'RE GONNA get opportunities back there with that. What kind of front seven pass rush exactly Listen to us on all of the podcast platforms plus just a reminder for those that Wanna listen to the podcast asked that can't figure it out on spotify or Google play or apple You can go to the Kevin Sheehan show Dot Com. I'm back on radio. As a reminder hundred everybody seven to ten. AM on the team. Ninety and ninety five point nine. FM and the team ninety APP and the team nine eighty dot com. They'll have to for the pocket. We have an APP for the podcast as well else. You can download that APP as well. It's pretty easy. Thanks for reminding me okay. Good job Couple of other Football related things before we get to the XFL which you pretended the opener. For the DC defenders. I watched some of that game on Saturday from out in Utah we're going to get to the MLB postseason format as well. But I want you to you hear a couple of things a Mike Greenberg had a pretty Strong and definitive statement about redskin dysfunction as it relates it's to join Haskins in his rant. stemmed from something Doug Williams said over the weekend. Some play a couple of the Doug Williams bytes for you and then what Mike Greenberg from get up in the morning on ESPN Longtime Mike and Mike you know radio show on. ESPN radio We'll get to that last. But here's what Doug Williams I said. I think he was on Saturday with reporters. What did you think Dwayne I era? Just how he's grown since he's been in the building. The delaying got a long ways to go but I told him his last game before he got hurt. He was doing what we expect for him to do. He was ascending. And hopefully where he is. Now braced deaf off as he and keep going up and I think he's he's for the task you know good to have in my head understand what it's like to be in the public and everybody's going to be looking at him. I I told them all is going to be on him. And at the same time you got a new coaching staff. They might Mary tune and he got to look at it from that standpoint. That is about What he does he has all the bill to do? What Eneco to want you to do that? Not Married to him. Line is what Greenberg responded to a let you hear here Greenberg responding to that in a moment. But here's the other response from Doug Williams because I think it's important that these Doug Williams comments which did generate a ton of attention mentioned over the weekend That you hear all of them because you know Doug Doug's pretty honest doug tells you he feels but he'll bounce around a lot of different directions so you're going to get a lot of different things from Doug. Here's the other part of it. The best thing that we can do with a new coach coming in in that situation Dwayne has to do you know unlike he. He didn't have opportunity. I think last year where the code put their arms around you know. We've got a young kid here. I think he got the noted. We won't sue too big good and the kid got so much ability to man. This is unbelievable. I think now with the new staff coming in and what he did toward the end the year get new staff an opportunity to say. Hey we need the work with this kid to get the best out of. I think that's what that's the positive part. That Wayne Ain't has on his side so that so that was Doug Williams also talking about You know just his thoughts look he. He's positive about Dwayne and then he says a new coaching staff is married to Dwayne and then he says that new coaching staff. You know probably realizes that he's going to have to be the starting quarterback next year. He's only he's the only quarterback on the roster right now under contract show. He's not forget that he's GonNa be the starter next year more like. Yeah not the only quarterback on the roster Sir who's the other one Alex Smith. Oh right I've actually completely forgot about who thinks he's GonNa play again but he's not doc that's what he thinks. I don't think he thinks it but I wish in the why would he say if he doesn't think Sean Connery said in the touch. Both who would say that what they are when they're not or whatever he said. was that the exact quote to get the gist of it all right. Let's get to Greenberg's rigs response to specifically. Doug Sang the new coach. The new coaching staff is not married to Haskins. This was Mike Greenberg Earlier your yesterday I think on his show on. ESPN if he wanted to look a perfect method to ruin a young quarterback. You couldn't do it any better than they've done it from the moment. They drafted him when everyone on planet earth. What did you make it clear? The coaching staff didn't want him but they didn't get rid of the coaching staff. Then they waited until five or six games into the season to do so that everyone knew he was the object of this tug of war between ownership and the head coach. Then that he's in there he's not in there now. They're married to them. They're not married to we. Just said Cleveland. What can you say except build him up? Jon Gruden what can you say except build him up Washington we're not actual. They didn't want him in the first place and if you did want him you shouldn't taken them because that's a kid with a lot of talent to obviously needed to be developed. Laura just pointed out he played so little football. It's ridiculous and what they are doing is the definition definition of how to ruin a young player. That was my green broke yesterday. Go ahead I got a bunch of thoughts about this I mean look. He's right except he he. He doesn't actually track it the way where the problem began The problem began was when the owner decided decided that he would be the first pick in the draft when the owner decided that he would be the only player he would be with at the combine where the owner owner was the one who called him on draft night and and told him that he was a redskin when when the odor said sure. You WanNA wear number seven go ahead. We don't have a problem with it of sure. Joe will be fine with Joe had to clear it. Well Yeah but they put the pressure on yes like an asshole not at said No. Yeah so so I mean you had this kid. I say this to a blue in the face. He was empowered before he ever except in to that redskins locker room and he knew it he felted. I mean all you gotTa do is here here the way he described Snyder her when when when the when the had the snyder was given his locker room diagnosis when Haskins was hurt. You Know Dan. He calls them. Dan You all WanNa make such a small thing on that. That's a big deal. He's he's a kid. He's a rookie quarterback and the owner Stan head to him. This is where the problem started with Twain Haskins So of course the coaching staff is going to push back from that. Of course yes. They're going to do everything in their power to push against the owner influencing such important football decision even if even it's cutting off their nose to spite their face. If you're a coach on that team what why would you turn around and embraced Wayne Haskins at least in that initial first year process after what you just saw took place and the fear. You probably have that. This kid probably thinks he has more power than me. I mean you're not wrong. Anything you're saying It was in. I don't blame Dwayne Haskins for this. Just like any ways. We didn't blame R. G. Three. He's a yeah I mean it the this is where you know even if you believe like I believe that the owners been less involved over the last ten years and he was was in the first ten years this is where his involvement is destructive. You cannot have a key player in the organization report to you an answer to you and rely on you to get things done more than the head coach or more than his position coach it really sabotage the entire. Rg Three possibility. Here and Tommy's right. I mean the reporting backs it up. This was a Dan. Snyder draft pick. That really did not make a lot of the people in in personnel. Very happy about it not to mention a head coach. That needed the two win. That was brought back but given a first round number fifteen overall quarterback to develop and play. Hopefully sooner rather the rather than later With that said you know the the constant talk of ruining Dwayne Haskins is just so so old. It's it's a it was a dumb take to begin with you know after. He came into a game as a backup quarterback against the giants aliens. He's the backup quarterback. Would you have preferred Louis Riddick and others that Trey Quinn at gone in and taken snaps. How insulting thing with data been? He was the backup quarterback who played because the starting quarterback was banged up and terrible same thing he did in Minnesota Soda. You know again like if you've been following this story in the national media doesn't follow it like we do when we have strong opinions about another team in another another market. We don't like the local people know it. You know. If you've been watching Dwayne Haskins you know going back to the preseason you know and you had been in in observer of just his overall demeanor you would have come to the conclusion in many of you did that. I did. which is this doesn't look like one of those dude you're going to really ruined? We're rattle or overwhelm. He's got a lot of confidence. It may not be you know. well-founded confidence but he's got got a lot of confidence. I don't think you're going to rattle this dude. This dude has some compete in him. He's got some swag. Got Some confidence. Whatever you WANNA call it? I never felt like if you're gonNA ruin Moore Overwhelm. It was a dumb take by the national media when he played against the giants. Adum take about him game playing early every single quarterback with the exception of three over the last ten years that were drafted. The top half of the first round started again before week five of their rookie year right. We've gone to the list. Many Times mahomes was obviously the one that turned out well. That was the massive exception. So dwayne asking should have been playing early like any other quarterback secondly you know when they talk about the redskins and they they pinpoint and really hone in on. The redskins is ruining this guy because they are the butt of a lot of jokes Jew by the way all reasonable and they are certainly one of those bottom feeding feeding you know organizations that are criticized consistently by people locally and nationally With that said Dwayne Haskins entered into a situation. That wasn't that unique. We've seen this before when quarterbacks get drafted by bad teams at the top of the draft more times than not. They're not entering into a situation nation. We're there are great. Receivers great coaches you know great running backs. Great Offensive Lines. Like a lot of those quarterbacks played though like so you know they tried to make it out to terrible organization. Terrible supporting cash. You GotTa wait. I mean even our own former players begged them not to play him. This year turned doubt that it was a good thing that they played him he grew he progressed. It's obvious that he Matured a little bit. You Know Callahan. Even suggesting Layton season this is a guy that coach really does not make the same mistake twice. That's an indication of of a coach. Saying that guys coach Bill. You know By the way when Greenberg said he was the object of tug of war and the coach got fired. Well that tug of war didn't like all the sudden when Gruden get got fired. I heard on N. D. end up being a winning situation for the owner because he didn't start right away Callahan even suggests that he wasn't ready to start. He was singing the grooten soon. Initially and case keenum doesn't get the concussion in Minnesota. It's very possible that we don't see Dwayne Haskins until several weeks after after when we initially saw him in that you know after the Minnesota and before the buffalo game but it does the other part of this is I I I do agree and understand. We're Greenberg's coming from. It's like anything else you know you do it all the time. You'll take one part of a quote and turn it into a column without all the words although it's what somebody says hold people accountable for what they say but you know forget the context and all the other. That's not miss case. There was a lot of context. I mean he was saying a lot of different things. We Love Doug he does sort of veer in a lot of different directions since But one thing that Greenberg said is really was really true about the early stages of Dwayne Haskins here. It wasn't comfortable for him and it I'm not saying he's the I I don't think it's unique but man you talk about some some bad add decisions you know to publicly leaks stuff to talk about work ethic to create this narrative that he's so far from being ready that you know he hasn't been lake stuff some of the comments. The coaches may like Kevin O'CONNELL we're public on the record so the League's out working harder the league stuff the public stuff when when you have a young guy like that publicly in this is work culture matters and this is going to be a challenge for Ron Rivera. You gotTA have everybody on the same page and one of the things were not going to do as an organization with our young rookie quarterback is we are not going going to publicly criticize him in any way shape or form. It's going to be about building him up talking favorably about him doesn't mean we're not gonNa make them earn earn it behind closed doors. WE'RE GONNA make we're going to be tough on them but we're not publicly going out there and criticizing this kid. It's not the way to do it now. He was able to overcome it. Kevin some won't be able to Kevin isn't entirely possible that behind enclosed doors. The coaching staff felt they had very little power. When it came to influencing this kid and the only we power they felt they had like j grew than his first year here? What he did Arjun rate was to speak out public? I understand on the record I it said. Tell the GEL. The answer's Yes. Okay doesn't make it right. It doesn't make a write in made away with Jay Grill and it's a symbol. It's a symptom of the dysfunction function of the organization. If coaches feel the only control they have is to criticize publicly right. That's a problem yeah. It's a big problem but I understand why they would doing. Here's the other thing too and a friend of Mine Kevin Texas to me earlier. This is the only friend you have apparently because it's the second one you mentioned one of very few. I Haven't club we actually at all. The cat is out the first part because we too early. So you're you're you heard me mention him the first time but those listening to the podcast. I don't think of mentioned behind the scene so he texted me this morning. He said we Doug Williams to keep his unfiltered often long winded communications before media to cease. I should show up for the meetings before the podcast. You never did radio. Yes showed up right when the show started. Greenberg Greenberg is insufferable. But every time Doug speaks there is a mess to clean up which isn't totally true but it has been true. Yes it has. There's there's one voice in it should be Rivera's nipping. This in the bud will help the needy culture change just my opinion and when I read this this morning I was like you know what. Why is Doug talking about Twain Haskins? Nobody should be talking about Dwayne Haskins. Except for Ron Rivera he should be the guy. That's talking about Dwayne askins. Now teammates get asked about and that's a different thing but the organization what happened to coach centric one voice where a month and a half inning Doug Williams is doing in press conferences and do an interview about the quarterback which by the way created the opportunity for a national broadcaster on a national show. Terrip the team like just. Let's get something here where we got one person controlling the message. You know by by the way somebody who do you know that's not gonNA happen. I'm not saying it's not gonNA passing. It should either. It's very. It's very possible that Doug was doing this. This is well to make sure that he holds on to his little slice. A of of power. Whatever it is that he may have at redskins skins part? I don't think Doug Williams has much power redskin per whatever I said. It was a little slice. I know you did. I'm just wondering has a certain level power. Because he is Doug Doug what he is Doug Williams and you know what because he's Doug Williams he's still there okay because if I if he weren't Doug Williams you and I both know and most of you listening. No he wouldn't be there. I know that but but because he has that speaking publicly is probably the only the only power and influence okay. But if he's going to be there because he's Doug Doug Williams and you're going to have coached centric you know operation I think the coach Doug Williams shut up. Yeah okay if it's if I'm brought in and I'm trying to create a culture change and I'm not suggesting that Doug will be bad for culture in fact I think he should be utilized more than he's been unutilized he should be a great mentor for a lot of these young players specifically a young quarterback you know but remember when Haskins askins has been asked. It's been Alex Smith. Yes you know And you get to a point. Perhaps where a younger twenty year old twenty one year old can't relate to Doug Williams and maybe there isn't isn't really an opportunity to mentor but doug is a good person and a valuable resource whether or not. It's used properly at my senses. This is in the past. It really hasn't been Doug Williams has not been a significant voice in the way his title would lead you to believe he was this in personnel. You know but In it's a whole other conversation I mean to go in this direction. But you know he is Doug Williams which is why he still there. I don't know if that's the the right thing to do. Like I think if Ron Rivera said I love you dug your legend. You're an organizational legend in the same way that Joe thighs men and and Sunny Jorgensen insane in other great quarterback smart Mark Ripping etc But I don't have a spot for you in the organization. People you gotTA figure out a way to keep Doug Williams y you just do why. Because it's it's smart business. Why what is it? What is causing warrant there today? How would it impact actor business? Well no if Doug Williams was dismissed how would it impact their business. And then then you'd have a redskins fan base that be even more disgusted eh angrier with the word I just I disagree with you. I think there was a point where that would have been true. I don't think it's just fine to play. He he he's an icon and you don't dismiss them. I'm glad that there's a place for Doug Williams I like Doug Williams but if there weren't a place for Doug Williams a smartly fines if they got rid of Douglas. I wouldn't help okay we can. We can agree to disagree. I think that a few years ago it probably would have been more impactful than it would be no Anyway whatever Twain Haskins take the advice of Doug Williams there were he talked about. It's the same thing that gibbs pretty much said to me last week when he was on the radio show with me When his comments about Dwayne got a lot of attention because it wasn't a full on endorsement of Dwayne you heard him right by You know an essentially said the same thing that Rivera said it. It's not about you know so the physical it's about the leadership and the leadership is acquire not necessarily vocally but with incredible knowledge. You know and Doug said it. He's got to be first in last. Leave he's gotTa know that playbook better than anybody. When Terry maclaurin or Adrian Peterson or Trent Williams? uh-huh have a question about the game plan. It's Twain Haskins it steps up and answers the question. He knows it better than the offensive coordinator knows it. It's that kind of commitment that is going to be required for him to all the sudden bi a guided Ron Rivera and Scott Turner. Say Oh yeah. He's committed. He's taking over that what they called leadership mantle. That's when when when when I'd Gibson and I put that together with the rare stuff that's what they're looking for and they don't know that yet they don't know they haven't been with them long enough they see the physical. I get that and you know. Maybe I'm out of line here but It's a little bit disturbing that you that you. You didn't have a kid a kid but a kid who was the starting quarterback at Ohio state walk in the door with those qualities already. I won in last one. The leaf learn everything you possibly can and a little bit troublesome that those qualities weren't there from day. Well I don't know that you can say that those qualities weren't there you can say that maybe he didn't use those qualities that he didn't show those qualities he didn't reveal those qualities. Perhaps because it was a very dysfunctional situation. I've never seen you bend over as far as well. That was unbelievable. I mean I you know. I heard he wasn't the first in the last out early on just like you didn't just like it was sort of leaked out okay. But at the same time he was dealing in your right he should have been the first one in your lonely and I think as the the season went on he became that guy. Yes I know that okay. I get that you don't but he had to be told that's a little bit troublesome to be told told that there was one more day left in a game get out there and take the knee he's over there taking selfies anyway All right. Let's let's get to. Let's get the real football. Okay go ahead come on. Let's get the real fun I got some. I got some stuff for you on this but go ahead. You were there Saturday. I see their Sabe you. It was interesting it was it was a very Aaron. was there to variance For a lot of reasons first of all let me make it clear that I haven't changed my position I don't think the XFL is is going succeed long term. I don't think any any league other than the. NFL is going to succeed. LONG-TERM I wish it did in the sense that I I'd like new operations but Again starting a football league in this atmosphere in this day and age I think is a foolhardy hardy. I think it's Vince McMahon's white whale. That said the live experience of gave day Saturday was so oh compelling on so many levels first of all to watch the crowds pour out of the Navy Yard Metro and walked down to. The stadium was sort of like say. Wow this is how it could be if there was a team. If there was a stadium in the district for the redskins like it used to be right but it was kind of I opening in that You know I mean people just just marching down hordes of people people marching through the streets to go see this team play. It was pretty. It was pretty amazing. And I'm sure if you're dance ninety. Ah You were aware of that. You're thinking like hit. I have that. Why can't I have those people pouring out of Metro? Stop to come see my team play. The other thing was. I can't emphasize this enough because I wasn't the only one less carpenter for the Washington Post basically wrote the same thing. Everybody was in a such a good mood to be there on Saturday. I mean there was such a positive five in that stadium in part because of what it wasn't as much as what it was and what it wasn't was ghost town. Field Holt surrounded by opposing fans with with a T.. Let their own fan that your fans hate it really. What now? The word Lord Redskins fans at the stadium okay. This was a mixture of millennials. Lots of families a lot of young fathers and sons and actually a lot of kids because tickets were chief. I think the cheapest ticket was twenty dollars. Although that's still bore expensive than some redskins tickets were the second book yes you can put so. It was not necessarily a crowd of Redskins fan you would see at Goes Tau field. It was a different kind of crowd. It was a district strict crowd. It was but it was a crowd that that really got into. They wore for every play. They booed the Seattle dragons when they came on the field and again the other thing was this was so far removed from the old. XFL I the game. Presentation was so low key. And so that's an emphasis. Yes so unassuming take a look I need I pointed this out. There was one Dirt a time out. They had one thing where they had these. Two kids Maybe six or seven eight years old and they do this thing. I see that games. Before where they line up pieces of a football uniform every five yards or so And then and they have the kids run and put on each piece of uniform as quick as they can including a helmet and then went back to the end zone and the fans. Were going nuts over it you know. It was a great thing this was this was not wrestler. Strippers you know this was. I mean. They had some thirteen year old girl from Alexandria sing sing the national anthem. There were those stealth bomber flyovers doctrine. Light that it was it was as different as the old. XFL Okuda been and was and people seem to really enjoy themselves from the time they got there until the time they leave and it was such a a foreign concept such a foreign concept for a football then in this area you were overwhelmed by it. Almost wow I'm serious. I'm not even talking about the quality of the football. I know what it's going to be like in weekend. 'cause I'm skeptical of all that right but that Saturday I was the place to be. I'm not gonNA argue with you. I wasn't there I watched. I watched some of that on TV. Aaron you were there I I watched. What's I I watch fifteen twenty minutes of TV OUT IN UTAH? You're there what was your impression is very similar to Tom's I actually. I went down to the field old. For let's say down there probably a little longer than I was supposed to down to the kickoff and then kind of walked around in the crowd a little bit and it was very much it was very much as As talking to the DC crowd in the sense that we've talked about this before DC is an event city. They're looking for the big events to go to. They might not know. They probably didn't know a single player on this team. They're not true but they thought this was event at an event so they went down and they packed it and they had a good time like everybody. All the adults were drinking they. They were having a good time and as he said I think the biggest thing was they cheer for everything. They cheered for the kids. They cheered for the people coming out. They didn't know a single player on the Seattle dragons but as they walked to the locker room after warm ups they were booing. Them and I saw B.J. Daniels taunting that was the other thing is that the players got it. They were getting eating in. Yahoo is when the players scored a touchdown or maybe they would immediately go up to the crowd. They would either taunt them if they were on Seattle or gesture to them. If they we're on DC they got it as much as the crowd got it and as far as football games go. That was the most fun crowd I've seen in the D.. We see area well. The last two years have been dreadful on talking about Maryland talking out redskins in quite a while and again. What was it? Seventeen thousand and that's the big take like I. I saw the New York game later. And the key for it and one of the big things is that it is a small. Yeah Yeah it's perfect. The metlife things not going to work. New York's works not gonNa work because even if you have twenty five thousand people twenty five thousand people in life is awful. No matter how passionate the crowd is but here it really worked. I thought it is really cool. It again OB- skeptical. What is going to be like we gave you know I still am But For one week that there was there was some look there were some. You couldn't ignore the fact that it felt like well. This is an anti retire redskins right. We saw some of the signs that were up. But it wasn't I saw the sides but it wasn't like like a protest tests or hatred of the redskins it was like something total opposite was an anti redskins. It was opposite redskins more. It was more like right so oh I did tune in and watch some of it on that Saturday afternoon. BIG TV deal. They've got you know Oliver Lockin and Jeffrey Pollack. Some real smart guys and in a you mentioned something that you know I I I sort of read through you. Know their quasi mission statement part of it is to be sort of the opposite of what the XFL was eighteen years ago and to provide you know high quality football with high quality character with something. Something that resembles football note note pre-game fireworks right. No pirate ironically the stuff that the NFL stole from Vince. McMahon as far as is there pre-game introductions there was none of that and the exit out man now wants them to wear black shoes. Johnny United Style. It was just the other players ran out all the field. They were introduced. The fans cheered for them. It was it was very Lonzo. You proba