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Speech: Ellen DeGeneres' Commencement Speech at Tulane University

Entrepreneur on FIRE

11:33 min | 1 year ago

Speech: Ellen DeGeneres' Commencement Speech at Tulane University

"Boom shake the room. Fire nation. J. L. D. here coming at you with a commencement address from Ellen Degeneres US for Tulane University back in two thousand nine the year of Katrina and she mixes humor with seriousness and a lot about her history that I did not know. I hope you enjoy as much as I did. And we'll dive into it as soon as we get back from thanking our sponsor the one funnel away challenge from Click funnels. Support you from. I'm day one day thirty to help you get your funnel live in. Just thirty days. Joined the next one funnel away challenge for just one hundred dollars at EEO fire dot com slash funnel. That's e o fire dot com slash funnel growing businesses that need qualified candidates in qualified. Candidates can be a challenge to find lucky for us. Ziprecruiter makes it simple fast and smart and right now you can try ZIP recruiter for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT dot com slash fire that's ziprecruiter dot com slash fire Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire our fire nation. Let's dive into Ellen. Degeneres Jenner Tulane. University's commencement speech back in two thousand nine. Oh boy thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank thank you President Cohen. Mrs President Cohen Distinguished Guests undistinguished guests. You know who you are honor faculty in Creepy Spanish teacher and thank you to all the graduating in class of two thousand nine. I realize most of you are hung over and have a splitting headache and haven't slept since fat Tuesday. But you can't graduate till I finish so listen up when I was asked to make commencement speech I immediately said Yes then. I went to look up what commencement meant. which would have been easy if I had a dictionary but most of the books are House? Porsches and they're all written in Australian so we had to break down the word myself to find out the meaning. Commencement common and cement common cement. You commonly see cement on sidewalks sidewalks sidewalks have cracks. And if you step on a crack you break your mother's back so there's that but I'm honored that you've asked me to speak here at your common cement. I thought that you had to be famous alumnus alumni aluminum illness. You had to graduate from this school and I didn't go to college here and I don't know a president who knows but I didn't go to college anywhere any college college and I'm not seeing you wasted your time or money but look at me. I'm a huge celebrity although I did graduate from the School of hard knocks. Our Mascot was a knockers. I spent a lot of time here here. Growing up my mom worked at NUKEM. I would go there every time I needed to steal something out of her purse but why am I here today. Clearly not to steal your too far away and I never get away from it. I'm here because of you because I can't think of a more tenacious. More courageous graduating class. I mean look at you all wearing your robes usually when you wearing a robot ten in the morning it means you've given up. I'm here because I love New Orleans. I was born and raised here. I spent my formative years here and like you while I was living here. I only did laundry six times times when I finished school. I was completely lost and by school. I mean middle school but I went ahead and finished highschool anyway. I had no ambition and didn't know what I wanted to do. I I did everything from shucking oysters. Being hostess. I was a bartender. I was a waitress. I painted houses. I sold vacuum cleaners. I had no idea and I thought I just finally settled on some job and make enough money to pay my rent. Maybe basic cable. Maybe not. I didn't really have a plan. My point is that by the time I was your age. I really thought I knew who I was but I had no idea like for example. When I was your age I was dating men? So what I'm saying is when you're older most of you will be gay. Is Anybody writing this stuff down parents anyway. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and the way ended up on this path was very tragic events. I was maybe nineteen. My girlfriend at the time was killed in a car accident and I passed the accident and I didn't know it was her. I kept going and I found out shortly after that it was her and I was living in a basement apartment. I had no money. I know he no air. I had at a mattress on the floor in the apartment was infested with fleas and I was soul-searching I was like why is she suddenly gone. There are fleas here. I don't understand. There must be a purpose purpose and would it be so convenient if we could pick up the phone and call God and ask these questions and I started writing and what poured out of me was an imaginary conversation with God which was one sided sided and I finished writing it and I looked at it and I said to myself. I'm GonNa do this on the tonight show with Johnny Carson. At the time he was the king and I want to be the first woman in history of the show Oh to be called over and sit down and several years later I was the first woman in the history of the show and the only woman in the history of the show to sit down because of that phone conversation with God. God I wrote and I started this path of stand up and it was successful and it was great but it was hard because I was trying to please everybody. I had this secret that I was keeping that I was gay and I thought if people found out they wouldn't like me they would laugh at me then. I got my own Sitcom and that was very successful another level success and I thought what did they find that I'm gay. They'll hello never watch. And this was a long time ago. This is when we just had white presidents but anyways This was back many years ago. Fire nation more when we get back from thinking our sponsor there are a lot of challenges. We face entrepreneurs like finding the right hires lucky for us in for Jessie Cole. Ziprecruiter mix tiring simple fast and smart. Jesse is the owner of the Savannah Bananas a Minor League Baseball Team. He was looking for a director of fun. Someone to lead the bananas. This fan experience videography team community outreach and entertain a packed stadium Jesse knew. It wouldn't be easy to find that kind of talent. That's why he tried ziprecruiter a tutor ziprecruiter's ability to send his job to over one hundred job. 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That's you'll fire fire dot com slash funnel and I finally decided that I was living with so much shame and so much fear that I just couldn't live that way anymore and I decided to come out out and make a creative and may care come out at the same time and it wasn't to make a political statement. It wasn't to do anything other than a free myself up from this heaviness that I was carrying around and I just wanted to be honest I thought was the worst thing that can happen. I can lose my career. I did. I lost my career. The show was cancelled after six years. Without even telling me I read it in the paper. The phone didn't ring for three years. I know offers. Nobody wanted to touch me at all yet. Getting letters from kids that almost committed suicide but did it because of what I did and I realized that I had a purpose and it wasn't just about me and it wasn't about celebrity but I felt like I was being punished and it was a bad time I was angry. I was sad and then I was offered a talk show and the people that offered me the talk show tried to sell it. EMO- stations did want to pick it up. Most people don't want to buy it because they thought nobody would watch me really when I look back on it I wouldn't change a thing. I mean it was so important for me to lose everything because I found out what the most important thing is is to be true to yourself ultimately. That's that's what's gotten me to this place at all live in fear I'm free. I have no secrets and I know I'll always be okay because no matter what I know who I am so in conclusion when I was younger I thought success with something different. I thought when I grow up I WANNA be famous. I WANNA be a star. I want to be in movies. I WANNA grow up to see the world drive nice cars. I WANNA have groupies but my idea of success is different today and as you grow you'll realize the definition of success changes for many of you today successes being able to hold down the twenty shots Tequila for me. The most important thing in your life is to live your life with integrity and not to give into peer pressure to try to be something that you're not to live your life as an honest and compassionate person to contribute in some way so to conclude my conclusion. Follow your passion. Stay true to yourself. Never follow anyone else's path unless you're in the woods what's in your loss and you see a path and by all means you should follow that. Don't give advice it will come back and bite you in the ASS. Don't take anyone's advice so my advice to you is to be yourself itself and everything will be fine and I know that a lot of you are concerned about your future but there's no need to worry. The economy is booming. The job market is wide. Open the planet is just fine. You're going going to be great. You've already survived a hurricane. What else can happen to you? And as I mentioned before some of the most devastating things that can happen will teach you the most and now you know the right questions to ask asking your first job interview like is above sea level so to conclude my conclusion that I previously concluded in the comments speech. I guess what I'm trying to say is. Life is is like one big Mardi Gras but instead of showing your boobs show people your brain and that they like what they see. You'll have more bs than you know what to do with in you'll be drug most of the time so the Katrina class of two thousand nine. I say congratulations. And if you don't remember a thing I said today remember this. You're going to be okay. Well there you you have it fire nation. I hope you enjoyed this. Commencement address from Ellen. Degeneres to the class of two thousand nine of Tulane University. Quick Fun facts I. Almost I went to Tulane University. It was like third or fourth of my list so not super close but it was on the list the green wave and fire nation. I do hope you take her. Final words heard very seriously. You are going to be okay and I'll catch you on the flip side looking for a place you can go. We're hiring hiring is simple fast and smart. That place is ziprecruiter. In right now you can try ziprecruiter for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash fire. That's ZIPRECRUITER PETER DOT com slash fire. Zip Recruiter the smartest way to hire the one funnel away challenge from Click funnels support you from day one through you date thirty to help you get your funnel live in. Just thirty days. Joined the next one funnel away challenge for just one hundred dollars at ao fire dot com slash funnel. That's ill fire dot com slash funnel.

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Why Shame Is A Bad Public Health Tool  Especially In A Pandemic

Short Wave

14:48 min | 7 months ago

Why Shame Is A Bad Public Health Tool Especially In A Pandemic

"You're listening to shortwave. From NPR. Believe me I get it. I'm frustrated and angry to. After all, it's been four months of this. We know the right things to do. And when you see someone wearing a mask or groups of people hanging out close together, it's easy to get mad, even if in all fairness. Once or twice. Open defiance at this Castle Rock Colorado restaurant large crowds, no social distancing, and there's some news coverage right now. That caters to this anger. You know what I'm talking about. Many Americans are out and about on this memorial day visiting newly reopened businesses seems from the unofficial kickoff to the summer showing many Americans not practicing social distancing measure. I'm telling you to wear a mask where a damn ask, but this Kinda thing anger public shaming the urge to yell at people who aren't doing the right things. That can be precisely the opposite of productive. Yeah, as the researcher I've been. Watching all this unfold through that Lens Julia Marcus is an epidemiologist and professor at the Harvard. Medical School, she said he's HIV prevention. And for scientists Julia, who work in HIV or sexual health or even substance abuse? They know that shame can be a huge barrier when it comes to public health, and in these first few months of the Cova pandemic I was watching this same pattern happen where you know, these kind of absolutist public health messages and moralistic undertones were potentially contributing to what became rampant shaming of people who were flouting public health guidelines or doing things that people felt. Felt were high risk, and when we shame people for their risky behavior in a way that distracts us from where risk is really happening, which is typically much less visible like in prisons and nursing homes and food, processing plants, and those don't inspire the same moral outrage. I think for two reasons one. They're not right in front of our faces, but also to we don't think of those as people having fun and a pandemic which I think people really upset. Matt rage, Julia says might feel good to act on in the moment, but it's not gonNA solve our biggest problems right now. I find that taking that rage home, and really screaming alone has been very helpful for me to. Do that as well or you know my rage these days first of all I would say that knows no bounds, but also. To be honest. My regions more directed at institutional failures than individual ones. To episode Julia Marcus on the role. Shame plays in public health crises. We talk masks. School reopenings in the long road ahead. I'm Maddie's defy, and this is shortwave daily science podcast from NPR. Julia Marcus has written a bunch of great pieces for the Atlantic about why. Shame is not helpful right now and how we can do things better. She's looked this when it comes to mask wearing social distancing and how we open college campuses, we talked about all those things, but the first thing to say here is that there is a fine line between public shaming and some positive forms of peer pressure. I, yeah I WANNA make a distinction here between social norms and shaming I. think social norms are very powerful and. That can be one of the best ways I think to change. Health behavior is like well. Everybody else is doing it so I'm going to do it because it's more like i. want to feel good when I go in the grocery store and I'm not gonNA. Feel great if I'm the only one not wearing a mask, so, but there's a difference between making people feel bad about their risky behavior and making people feel good about engaging and protective behaviors as a way of like becoming part of What the new social norm is Marie right? Right Okay Julius. You've written a bunch of great pieces for the Atlantic. Let's talk about your most recent one I. It's you know how to not open colleges this fall. You started out by describing an email that went out to students at Tulane University earlier this month July seventh. What what happened there? Yeah I mean I I I don't WanNa. Pick on two lane here. Becher, that was it just an example of some of the communications that were starting to see toward students who are on campus this summer and have been having some parties. And there was an email that we're not to students that really condemned stat behavior as disrespectful, indefensible, dangerous selfish, and made it very clear in bold all caps that hosting parties of more than fifteen people would result in suspension or expulsion from the university and that if students wanted the school to remain open, they needed to be personally responsible. I'm in their behavior and When a university says, we will hold you accountable for having a party, and actually there will be dire swift punishment when inevitably there is an outbreak at a party. Students are going to be terrified to disclose that they were there. And students have now said this at the University of Connecticut were interviewed and surveyed about what kind of thing is going to work for them what their concerns are about the fall. And they universally said we. We are early close to universally said we're really afraid of how infection and risky behavior are going to be stigmatized such that we outbreaks will not be able to be controlled, so there needs to be appropriate consequences for putting your community at risk, and I would never say otherwise but that needs to be balanced against the need for public health efforts to be separate from discipline. And we've already seen contact tracing start to break down outside of campuses, because people are afraid to talk about having been at event that that they know is something they should not have been doing yeah. So. You know kind of following that thread. The part of this pandemic that's been hardest for a lot of people is is social distancing in in several of your pieces you wrote about how a lot of the advice especially in the beginning was almost like an abstinence based approach like stay home. See Nobody which absolutely made sense kind of at the. The beginning, but tell me about why. That approach doesn't necessarily make sense for the long-term well asking people to abstain from all social contact indefinitely or until we've scaled up. An effective vaccine is just not going to be a sustainable public health strategy, and I think now our messaging has evolved a bit especially as there's been an accumulation of evidence around. The risk is highest like what's settings or higher risk, in which ones are lower risk, but I think we continue to still have a tendency toward absolutist messaging and I think that our goal should be to two inch. People tour to a place where they are living their lives in a way that addresses all aspects of their health, while trying to keep tr- risk of transmission low, and so one way that that could play out is encouraging outdoor activities, especially in spacious areas, opening up more outdoor space for people, and there's been a tendency to close beaches and close parks where people gather, but. But I actually think doing the opposite on could could be helpful, but the essential point is. We can't stay in our homes forever and many people couldn't stay in their homes for the last few months because they were working sure, but it's clear from other areas of public health that asking people to abstain from something that they fundamentally need or strongly desire is not an effective public health strategies, so we have to find ways of making our messaging more nuanced, that allows people to get what they need to be able to live sustainably while keeping the risk of transmission low until you there. There are examples of nuanced messaging from others accessible public health campaigns. Right I. Mean You work on HIV? Can you give me an example of that? Yeah, so we you know we don't tell people don't have sex. Because that's the best way to not get HIV, we may save the safest thing you can do to avoid HIV transmission is not have sex, but we understand that many people are going to have sex, and that it's a you know a part of a healthy life, and so here are some safer ways to have sex, both in terms of certain sexual acts in in terms. Terms of protection different ways you can protect yourself and you know becomes a more nuanced message, but it's much more sustainable for people and realistic and the long term, and it also acknowledges people's basic human needs right, and there's also this idea that talking about ways to reduce risk encourages people to take those risks, even though from a public health standpoint. We know that isn't true. So I'm wondering Julia like. Why do people hold onto this concern? Like what is this really about yeah I, mean this is definitely not new. It comes up a lot. I think especially around drug, use and sex. And I think the reason it especially comes up in those settings is that those are behaviors that we have a lot of moral judgments about particularly in this country, and there's this kind of moral outrage that happens when we think about people engaging in risky, which is often pleasurable, behavior, sex, drug use, and these days going to the beach like. it's kind of playing out in this new way now with social contact and partying and people having a good time in a pandemic, which it's actually a public health win when we find ways to support people in enjoying their lives, and and getting their basic social or sexual needs, met while remaining a safest possible, and you've made the point that we've. We've already seen this play out with the corona virus, public health officials, hesitating to give people detailed ways to protect themselves instead of avoiding risk altogether, I mean I remember. We reported early on in this pandemic when Dr Burks of the White House Coronavirus Task Force said. We don't want people to get this artificial sense of protection because they're behind a mask. This lack of consistent messaging is one of the reason that a lot of people still aren't convinced that masks are helpful, so you know. Julia, how do public health officials effectively reach? Those people yeah I mean I. Think in general we always see some resistance to any new public health intervention, condoms, and you know pre exposure prophylaxis for each V. I mean every intervention that comes out. There's resistance. There's challenges with implementation. There are moral concerns you know. This is all kind of par for the course, but I think what's new here and a bit different is not necessarily just the polarization which we do, see an Ciaran things like vaccines, but the politicization. Politicization I don't think there has been I can't think of an example where a sitting president has flouted public health recommendations and I think that that has created kind of a politicized around masks. That wouldn't have necessarily been there and so how do we overcome that? And how do we reach people I think again it comes back to hearing people's concerns, acknowledging them, and then working to overcome those barriers in our messaging and I. Think there are some good examples of that there have been a couple of great mask campaigns that have come out of California acknowledging that people dislike wearing them and acknowledging the reasons why people dislike wearing them. And I would guess that they are more effective in reaching certain populations than campaigns that that are more focused on this. Just wear ask. It's really easy kind of messaging. Yeah and don't you care about your community and don't you want to not kill people and That kind of messaging is like early days of AIDS. Messaging around condoms that I think was not as successful as the messaging that really focused on what the barriers were, and how people could overcome them. Yeah, yeah, with all this stuff that we've been talking about colleges masks. You know keeping safe distance. It's pretty tough because the stakes feel so high like this is really a nasty virus, and when we see people, you know not doing the right things, the instinct there to shame them to get mad for a lot of us at first instinct and I. I guess it's just that we need to take some patients to push past them. Yeah, I mean I, think it's really. Valid to feel angry about what's happening right now, and for people who are not necessarily taking care of themselves or their community and putting other people at risk. It's very frustrating to see, but I think especially for public health professionals. It's on us to do the work to avoid the shaming and the anger and the moralizing in our messaging. Because we've learned that that doesn't work in other areas of health and really try to take the time to craft messaging. That is going to be more effective. Julia Marcus. Checkout episode notes for a link where you can find her writing to the Atlantic. Can say the Atlantic is crushing it these days, but the magazine, not the ocean. I mean maybe the Ocean to I'm not sure what's up to. This episode was produced by Brett Bachman edited by Deborah George in fact. Checked, Rebecca. Ramirez I'm Maddie Safai. Thanks for listening to shortwave from NPR. Until recently admitted Hong says he didn't speak out against racism because he was scared. Listen now on the codes which podcast from NPR.

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Jordan deBrauwere, Tulane University Communications Major, Offers Gen Z Insight Into Navigating COVID Times, Career Goals, & Social Media

Marni on the Move

33:57 min | 4 months ago

Jordan deBrauwere, Tulane University Communications Major, Offers Gen Z Insight Into Navigating COVID Times, Career Goals, & Social Media

"You're listening to a fit. Plus love production My main takeaway from all of everybody. Just you gotta do you. And everybody should respect that. Everybody has to move at their own pace and find their own balance and respect one another because it scary and everyone has different level of anxiety around everything. That's going on right now. That was jordan. Brower this is marnie salip. Thanks for tuning into my podcast. Marnie on the mood each week. I will be inviting interesting innovative movers and shakers to join me on the and share their story. You will discover and hear from thought leaders experts influencers and entrepreneurs from the worlds of wellness. Sports beauty fitness fashion and more money on the move will feature an eclectic mix of people. I know work with and thank are generally doing cool things. On each episode. I sync with my guests about life career and training and showcase their expertise and story pie. Everyone welcome welcome back to the money on the move. Podcast on your host marnie salam. I am very excited to connect you with today's guest jordan brower jordan brower is an emerging communication creative star to watch. She's a junior at tulane university of communications major and business management and well full disclosure. My cousin this summer jordan intern for the morning on the move podcasts and offered great insight into our creative looking vibe designed some fun graphics and helped a ton on the research front usually on the show i talked to people who are further along in their career but every now and then i like to dial back and check in with emerging talent up incomers young. Movers and shakers last week. I caught up with me. Eakins u. Penn twenty twenty grad now fro runner with brooks running and brooks piece truckload and next up we have another twenty twenty college grad. Throw runner and social media influence for and youtuber. Today i get the gen z inside scoop. Jordan sheds light on her social media go. To's her new fitness routine career goals. And how the pandemic has shifted her mindset social protocols and health routine. I hope you enjoy what you hear if you do. Leave us a review on itunes. It's easy head over to the money on the move podcast flick. Through all of the different episodes click on five stars and viva's a positive review follow us on facebook instagram or linked. In at marnie on the move before we dive into today's conversation. A word about our sponsors inside trapper and maverick tools. Ub are you ready to take control of your health and wellness journey today more than ever. It's essential that we do all the right things to keep our bodies healthy inside. Tracker is the ultra personalized nutrition. Platform that analyzes your blood dna and lifestyle to help you optimize your body from the inside out. Transform your body's data into meaningful insights and a customized action plan of the science backed recommendations. You need to reach your goals. Unlock the power of your potential with inside tracker and use our code. Thank you emo tm on their website inside checker dot com for twenty percent off. Also check out the link in our show notes mattress. You'll cbd has changed my recovery game in a really big way there. Cbd bomb is off the charts. Amazing the bombs have five simple organic ingredients coconut oil shea. Butter olive oil plant wax. Cbd and different blend of essential oils. Personally i prefer the eucalyptus and peppermint not just for athletes. The products are formulated to ease. All the aches and pains that. Come along with being an active. Human mad ritual is offering marnie on the move listeners. Fifteen percent off head over to their website mad virtual dot com and use the code marnie on the move now onto the episode. So thank you so much for all of your help. This summer on social media and instagram. I was so sad to hear that you weren't going to count this summer. But i was really so excited. Have you interning for me and so thankful that you reached out and that we were able to do some really cool stuff on instagram. And get some insight on the podcast and do all kinds of research and fund design and creative for stories and thanks for being here today of course on folks cited and thank you for everything that you did for me this summer and i really did. Learn so much from your gained so many insights. That experience was more than a silver lining. But you know at the end of the day what ino- wanted it to go any different and like everybody else my plans. This summer changed five hundred times but it definitely ended up being the vast experience. So thank you well. You are welcome. How does it feel to be back at school. It's very weird. It's definitely for than any other semester. That i've had but finding the new things that will bring the excitement and have fun in a less find way. But it's weird mike. Mycoses are all online. Now i mean the school hasn't said that but just in terms of organization. The teachers just really having half the class on soon than half the class in person it was a lot. So i'm not leaving the house. I'm brian but it's definitely much better than i thought it would be. I forgot show match. I actually really love living at home. No fence my family but no i. I loved living at home. I really did joining this time. But it's very different having this independence. That i missed and i didn't even realize that i missed until i got back here and being my friends. We had our semester cut short last year. So i'm definitely happy back with my friends because a lot of the live anywhere near as so. I haven't seen them in six months. Your junior so you're in college for two years on your own having fun being independent like of a sudden and you go back home and he really interesting annually jocelyn at first by glad to have that time with my sister and the rest of my family and it really flew by like honestly. I can't even believe that. I was home for that long because in total. I don't even know what i did. Look really feels like it was only in one flew by for me. I mean seriously like we had a conversation. I know like in june and then you're like back at school it was it was easy. Yeah i know. I have to look at pictures to remember the things that i did but unfortunately before summer and before it was hot i didn't do anything. So there's no documentation the movies and the binge-watching net. Flex i i. I know that's what i did. I don't actually remember anything else is not on instagram. It didn't happen exactly. yeah. I feel like it's really interesting because if feels like the last six months have flown by but at the same time it feels like. When is this going to be over. You know it's like never ending but it's an it's weird. It's a weird kind of juxtaposition of time. It's very weird. And i feel the sale law about even like when i reflect on this semester at the end and i'm like this flu but also thinking back at the first day of class that feels like a lifetime ago and it's the same kind of thing when i first came home on my my luggage got lost at the airport is a mess and dot will situation of readjusting home feels like another lifetime but again it also has fallen. So i don't know i have a weird thinking about it to what's the vibe At school right now among students amongst your friends around cove. It are people wearing masks. Or they social. Distancing are there are some people that are feeling very independent and not following the rules like how. What's the culture like. I certainly do see everyone's still wearing masks. I don't think it's not that far because everyone's still Each other on will. The school has its own rules in general about wearing masks on campus. At even when you're off campus. I think it's different for a lot of people. Not having to have their responsibility of living with their parents. I know for me when i was home. I was very much isolating myself and we didn't really do much but are also would never risk anything because i was living with my parents. And they're and they're older and they it you know it's very dangerous. I mean it's dangerous for everyone but if we're definitely higher risk over forty so yeah no exactly so. I think a lot of people are trying to find a good balance. I'm definitely on the more day at home anxious side of people that i know but people are creating pods. I've been hearing that word thrown around especially with kids at home and in school. But you know everyone's kind of handling things. Yeah but but respectfully in a lot of people got sick within the first three weeks of being here. So i mean. i'm. I'm very lucky that i didn't all really didn't leave the house so i know right. But so people are doing are forming like social pods with their friends and there. Are there any like rules around the pods. Or they're just hanging out together are they do they. Covert tasks like are there any things like that. Yeah so too. Late actually has done an amazing job. Compared to what. I've heard about other schools. We have to get tested through two lane every week. And if you live on campus you have to get tested twice a week. Wow that's great. It's great because you're going to be safe exactly. And i think it's what's cantonese safe and comfortable. I do try to stay outside from seen people. And i really don't to get too close. I can take comfort in the fact that. I know that this person has already gotten tested twice this week and even no no test is one hundred percent accurate right now. It's still way more comforting than the alternative. So i do really appreciate how rigorous to lean has been with their testing program in terms of putting my mind at ease for sure. Yeah and now. Do you have any friends that didn't come back to school. Yeah my roommate actually. She didn't she live. She's in the city government. You buy it. But she's she's gonna come back. We think soon so but yeah. I think everybody listen. That's like the main my main takeaway from all of kovic is everybody. Just you gotta do. And everybody should respect that. Everybody has to move at their own pace and find their own balance that respect one another because it is scary and everyone has different levels of anxiety around everything. That's going on in the world right now. So everyone's kind of doing their own thing. I think that's great advice to for any of my listeners. That are like talking to their kids. Or maybe my listeners are in the millennial age group you know. Maybe some of your friends are listening but you know. I think it's great advice. Like you just have to do and respect your friends and respect people around you. Is there anything that you've done during covid that maybe you would have never done. I definitely took my mom's going to laugh when i my sitting s. You're gonna laugh to. I've been going in a lot of walks. That's something that i started doing during quarantine i walking is no joke. Walking is really hard. I feel like it's harder than running sometimes and was not a frequent walker honestly during quarantine. It was how. I had social interaction especially in the beginning. Just seeing people around the neighborhood and i look forward to it because i had nothing else to do especially once night classes ended but else in my family with either are working all day or my sister still had school until the end of june so i was so bored and i go walk the now. I'm still walking as much as i can here. We actually we hit my roommates and i. We drove to mississippi last weekend we went to the beach and it was actually. It was labor day so we were nervous about seeing a lot of people in a being crowded but it was so empty. And i don't i think we're trying to find like socially safe things to do with other friends that i personally don't like being inside with my friends. Decide my roommate so that was something we've never been in now. We're gonna go back a bunch because it's so nice there too discovered somewhere new that you wouldn't have normally gone like a road trip. Exactly that's fun and so now. What are you studying a two lane. Because i know that you're an amazing student as well. I'm majoring in communication. And i'm minoring in business management and possibly adding music as a minor but undecided about that. You are a very talented singer. You have a great voice. But that's not the do more of the business of music right exactly. When i was younger. I definitely had the dream of being a female thing are and you know the whole thing. That was my dream forever. When i was growing up but eventually she comes very unlikely. And i don't really want that anymore but i do love music and that's something that are still very passionate about so. I started taking music business classes here. And now i've taken every music business class Tulane was offered an hoping that that's where my career path takes me but it's very hard right now. What's your dream internship for your next internship besides working for me. Well i would love. I mean i sort of supposed to be studying abroad right now. I'm supposed to be in london right now. And the grand scheme of things. I travel whatever and a lot of people have lost network by is supposed to be abroad right now. So hopefully this summer is okay to travel. I'd love to get an internship. Possibly in london within the music business maybe record label but ultimately. I'd love to intern at a big record label. I think that for while now has been my juryman just that exciting fast paced. Worklife has always empowered me. And i've been really excited to do that. But who knows if any city is gonna be lively if i'd like it to be my summer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Well i mean. I think it's good to have goals and a loose vision of what it is that you want and then sort of like roll with it and go with the flow because nobody knows right now is right now or ever really. I mean intrigued. Shore my dreams and goals for where i've wanted to go in terms of career has changed so many times that be journalist lawyer and before that obviously a singer but now you know who knows what's going to happen. I am a planner. So i have. Abc d. and sell on right. I'm definitely excited and ready for it. And i'm looking forward to getting my And seeing what opportunities come so now who are some of your favorite since you're into music. Who are some of your favorite artists right. Now that you're listening to my favorite artists right now. I listen to her. Her name is lenin bella and she just recently released her first album. And that's my go-to got it. Listen to spotify or you on apple yup spotify spotify person me too. I love discovering new people. How do you find music that you love one of my relates. She is very into music too. And we always sheriff favorite artist favorite songs. She's constantly playing back. I had tell her enough. Play music right now actually. But she's always playing something in always like. Gosh what is this. And then i add. It's mine them always on her clueless too so back staff. You have like a spotify playlist. it's public. I think all our public because i don't know how to make them rise man i i have. Well tell her not actually share a spotify which tellers my sister. We share a spotify and we fight her. I would say at least four times a week because you can only lifted on one device and she'll take it out and play it on her phone and then i'll go back so she has a lot of platelets to that. I was to but yeah. I have my my classical playlist. I have to listen to classical music on studying. Okay that's very. I don't really listen to classical music. Otherwise i have to do it when i'm studying. I discovered refreshing your polish. That's really interesting because it probably is like a mind. List like distractions. You could focus exactly exactly my ag brand. I d- salt background noise. Or else i'll be distracted by every little noise that i hear so i just blast classical music and my roommates. Make fun of me. But what i do. That's so funny. So when it comes to music your spotify so we already know already summed you up here. Let's talk social. You have organically grown very impressive following on your instagram past few years. You've got great captions photos. How are you using this platform now as a college student who still using it the same way. Are you thinking of it like are you looking at it as like your personal brands like what are what are your thoughts around instagram. And your social media accounts right now. Yeah i definitely used still use it in a predominantly personal way. I don't really think that in terms of a self brand although i definitely Once i was internal three you. I started to think about it more right. I don't know if i would necessarily like shifting gears into thinking of it in a more professional way or career based like a brand. But i did love jiming that stuff for you and learning about how to utilize social media digital marketing. And that's something that i'm very interested in would love to do in terms of career for other people within the entertainment industry. I could do that. That would be awesome. Because i definitely do enjoy it. Yeah and so. What do you think about tiktok. I know. I mean take over for your age group when it comes to like cool factor her and creating videos. It's very like tween but from a brand perspective. What are your thoughts on tiktok as a platform for marketing. Well i definitely my of tiktok comes in ways we can justin. I think i'm done with it. And i won't go on the app for like a week. Then i'm fucked in again at. I scrolled for hours before bed and then suddenly it's like four in the morning and unlike how. How did i get here doing. But i mean it really. Is it hooks you win. So i i think it could be an amazing tool for marketing. I've seen a lot on tiktok of random beauty products or even fitness products and a random person or. Maybe they aren't random. I really don't know if it's like a planted marketing tactic by and then it blows up and people will buy it and they'll create a trend out of it on tiktok in trying these hacks than this product and a random video will blow up from about a product that nobody had ever heard of. So i've definitely been seeing a lot of that and it's really cool actually get sucked into like i get. My talk. is all dog videos. Because i'm obsessed with my mind. Babies makeup mine is literally only babies. Nate walk. that's funny. Yeah i mean. I did a couple of videos on tiktok and i think it's a great marketing platform. I don't know if it's like a marketing platform for me. But i could see how the cool video content that is kind of like instagram reels. I mean instagram is trying to bring back into their social media platform now for. It's like an older demographic instagram right. So they're they're using the younger fun tools as this older demographic ever since the beginning of covid everybody has been using every platform for everything. So right do you. What are the platforms. Are you on for social on instagram. Way more than i like by. I definitely love instagram snapchat too. But there's not as much to do on fat china opinion and especially when. I'm distracting my salton purposefully procrastinating. It doesn't give me enough. So instagram's my go-to. I still love youtube. I was youtube. Concern would be to for hours growing often. I still like it. What do you look for on youtube. Oh god i cannot even that i look for things like it's sort of like tiktok to you just another video and you cricket and you click it and then all of a sudden so late and you're like how did i even get here ya. I have no idea even watching this. But i watch. I don't know. I like a lot of live music on to because the one thing that i really really have messed for the last six months live music and concerts especially being in new orleans. Even not official concerts live music on the streets. It's really something that. I missed so much so i definitely have been watching a lot of live music on youtube. Oh that's cool. I totally didn't even think of that. Because you're in new orleans it's like that's the culture. I know it's crazy so and then. I know that you mentioned that. You're walking. which is your go to fitness routine. So what else are you doing to stay healthy and fit. I know that you are very safe during the covid times. Are you eating healthy. Like what's your sort of routine again accurately this whole thing. Is you think my mates. Make fun of me. But god is really my life. Leaving i think the immune plus emergency everyday. I don't know. I mean it says you you can drink it everyday. I don't know if they mean for months on end. But i've been doing it and it has been jeanette right i i. I don't really notice the difference by. I read somewhere. That indeed. help kovic though aren't going to stick with that. This is so true. Optimal levels of vitamin d strengthens your immune system. I live right across from on bond park. Which is beautiful. So i've been going there. I wasn't sure if. I wanna go there because i thought it would be way more crowded but there hours where it isn't as paddington. It's mostly students. So everyone during the week has different fos schedule so if i have a two hour break in between classes not everybody does so. I've been going there my often. It's it's it's really nice. Actually that's been the oneplus that i've experienced this year. Because last year i lived on the complete opposite end of campus law on campus right now but last year i lived very far from the park and shivered take a lot of motivation for me to get there but i'm literally across the street right now so that's been awesome. Well that's causative from kovic. Go from you're not really thinking about these things to living a healthy life. Not making sure that you're eating healthy and staying fit and getting outside and getting exercise yes fully. You're gonna laugh next one choice in the morning. But i take up jobs zimba ish class wet has a people have ever seen me down. You'd realize why it's funny but it's been fun fits like a salad thing Yeah i i know already i'm totally on coordinated so yeah everyone can attach to not so no but it's a great way to get me up. I don't take early classes. I learned that early on i. Just wanting jordan is than normal jordan than i. I can't do it by. I need to get out of the house especially since most of my classes are all online now. It's a great thing to do and Our gym on campus. And we all wear math narrows squares tape around the the whole room. It's like a big gymnasium room that were in and everybody stays in their big square which is more than six feet apart. I it's hilarious. I wish someone could take a picture and you should take a picture. Saying to me for the podcast. But it's actually been really fun. And i am not a dancer by any means but it's good exercise and gets me moving in the morning and then i feel after that that i wanted to continue being healthy for the rest of the day so i get a healthy lunch after. I'll maybe go to the park. I can't start the giants Today's lazy i'm gonna stay in bed and it gets me up so that's been really good. That's awesome. i love hearing that. Are you heading home for the holidays. Howard you generally feeling about travel during these times. Yeah so i do know. I'm or we go to florida by nice school. They knew just up so we started a week earlier because they don't want us to come back after thanksgiving has everybody with chocolate on planes and it just creates a loss controlled environment. So after thanksgiving is fine and then that's all online. So i mean my apartment we have. The leaders are lee started in june and we have it until the end of the year. So i mean i don't know my mom thought i'd already be home. She against me. Keller said oh yeah two weeks from thank you so much for having such confidence in you are being super safe. You live on campus. You obviously have a good report with your friends that everybody respects each other. And you're doing things that you feel comfortable doing. So i mean that's what everybody's doing like you could live at home. You could live in with your parents or not. But i think. I think that. I didn't think you'd becoming back. Yeah i don't know. I mean i don't mind flying. It really wasn't as bad as i was preparing myself for it to be. What was it like. I mean everyone kept their mask gone the entire time. Obviously i had my face shield as well like the classic anxiety girl but it was much better than i was into the painting and i wouldn't mind coming back but i haven't spoken to my parents yet. Abou- how 'cause i don't wanna the house fresh off a plane from here. I mean it's really a lot of people have over here right now. So i don't i mean hopefully it is getting better and i don't think it will still be like this in november. Are people your age like really sick. Or they're like fine. They're just like flu basically. Yeah i think that's also a main reason why people have been lightning up on college campuses in terms of how safe they feel themselves because i mean a few my best friends have it right now even and they're not that sick or an. I know a lotta people that had an and the one thing that a lot of people my age have been saying. Is that the loss of taste and smell lingers past the point of you're contagious and when you're done so i mean i don't hurt. We walked out at all. I don't want it out all. I've made that very clear. I think because some people my age are fun and they're sick for three days and then they're okay. People aren't scared especially living without their parents. Ryan having to be worried about giving it to them so more people your age. You think like worried when they're with their parents 'cause they don't want their parents to be sick but they're when they're on their own they feel maybe a little less nervous. Yeah i i mean i'm you're not it doesn't apply to me yes this constantly but i would say a lot of people without bearing not responsibility of giving it to our parents feel much safer in at ease finding a balance testing their boundaries. About what they're comfortable with. That's great to kind of like here. It feels optimistic to me. My roommates we made a pact that we are going to try to go out to dinner at least once a week normally on thursday or friday and literally touch me through the week. It's the really. The only thing that i have looked forward to where i can get dry stopping do my hair and makeup and otherwise long really just sitting in the house or hanging out with friends in sweat pounds so the most exciting thing that i've doing. Well i can tell you that that's happening over here too. We literally went out for dinner last night and it was just so great to sit outside and eat dinner and it was freezing. Wore ski jacket but you know what this is the future so yeah. Oh i fell only. Eat outside and yeah. Luckily new orleans stays warm for a little while so hard for about well. This has been so awesome jordan. Thank you so much for being cast and great to connect with you. Thank you so much. Thanks again for tuning into marnie on the move if you like what. You're here leave us. 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The TikToker Quarterback: Interview with Glen Cuiellette - S1E10

Anything in The World

18:09 min | 8 months ago

The TikToker Quarterback: Interview with Glen Cuiellette - S1E10

"The Love, Lauren Welcome to episode ten of anything in the world. This episode is special for many reasons. I this is the last episode of the season, but you don't need to worry about it. This is just a comma and not a period. We'll take a break for few weeks and then we'll be back after the summer with a brand new season with new topics and who? Who knows some surprises to the other reason that this is a very important episode is the amazing conversation I had with the professional football player Glenn coup yet. He is a quarterback, free agent, outfielder, Tulane University and tiktok celebrity, as you can imagine, we've talked about the life of a professional athlete and of course Tiktok so let's kick off the ball and start the game. So I think he's in your report. Stress and Tell us a little bit of our history as you know. Names Glencoe yet I was in college about three or four years ago and I was Tulane University and that's a pretty pretty good. Schools Division One scholarship football and played one season with them that transferred to Texas Southern, than I played one season with them so right now I just got done planning. Germany, football, and everything like that last summer, and now I'm Kinda. Kinda like a free agent. You know so. That's going up for me, but yeah like with the House. Doing Tiktok was Thanksgiving when I made my first video and it wasn't. Anything special was something to do it. You know just to get the hang of it or whatever see. What's all about that? I made my first one hit viral and Ariza's data's being kind of creating stuff, so, but yeah, that's kind of like. History about me. I was born in Los Angeles. California and Louisiana I'm in New Orleans right now noodle. Alesana allows ten and yeah just kind of a normal guy who just got blessed to play Division One football. So as to what I'm doing, that's me. Your number what Ebay? It was a simple topic It was a sound effect of famous viral I singles a bind or video I can't remember what it was the sound of the person saying Oh. You're like me. He's like now and he starts laughing all really. He's like I. Don't give a damn like, and he says I don't care. Then, I put that with. Lamar Jackson and I did like the skit basically saying a scout saying out like you and he says you don't like me, and then I went back or have been ahead like. If I look and Clo- trophy like. It's like MVP trophy is like give air like in. That's pretty much the video I. Did let's Talk Football? How old were you when you first played played? The was about eleven, probably eleven or twelve I started. Flag football didn't play tackle until I was in high school freshman high school. So how did he get selected to play for the university? I was kind of just. It was a blessing cut. It's actually a pretty good story that whole year I didn't play. It was my junior year. I got recruited initially. I didn't play at all. My Freshman Sophomore Year junior year was the. The year I I started, but going into all that they're like big giant quarterback battle in our community about other guy in you know. He was the other guy he was better than me. Initially the first two years in his some some happen where disrupt the script I turn it on was playing really great in this time the page, my whole athletic potential and long. Long story short you know I. Got I. The job went to, and we've got some semi finals. We weren't supposed to do anything great. That year was supposed to be here and I was playing against a team who was undefeated. We were playing against a team in the semifinals, and they were getting recruited. They held a lot of recruits on their team for Lsu Mississippi. Mississippi State, all these big schools and one of to land scouts was there initially watching the other quarterback, and I was playing well in that game I caught their attention ever since then they kinda like Oh resist Kidman long story short. You know a year and a half later got offered a scholarship in, and I signed go team, so that's kind of how it happened. The driver play other positions yet. I played everything besides quarterback freshman, so I played safety corner, linebacker Deanne running back receiver so I wasn't great at every one of them, but plan. You think it helps you with how you played today. Yeah, it did because it gave me a different perspective on the game. It showed that as a quarterback. You know you, Kinda overanalyze things you'd think. Think! Oh, they are going are one of the things they say as a quarterback user is to move the defense beforehand i. always like if I looked to my left like they knew house like looking there. Just throw them all I. always felt like there are smarter than what they were. Is what else saying, but then a defense I realized like night worried about that now. We're. Fat, you dislike trying to get to this five. You're just trying to make sure you're not messing up. So then one of the great ones who know who know about hard defense by heart to where they can get to their spot. Know that quarterbacks doing something. Wrong or whatever so yeah, you gave me a different perspective on and it. Kinda helped a lot whenever it can't be just a CD business as a quarterback. If you could, today would play another position. I would couldn't do that. I look. Much Practicing other sports, not really because the higher level you get the kind of more time you need a dedicated to once or I do miss those days when I was a kid or when I was in high school i. You just go play baseball in the offseason and not miss a beat in football or play basketball. That's why I used to play basketball baseball track, so I do miss that, but ninety more thanks. Would you give to? To kids my age about Tang Electric Twelve. When they are trying to consider sports, the advice I would give you. Is that first ball? Don't be afraid to try any sport. Try everything because you never know which you're going to be good at. That's one answer I'll give because my best friend in high school played football his whole time at high school, and we ran track together in I think his junior year. He started running. Running Track the here. Realize feels good at track I knew he was going to be good. He didn't WanNa, do it. He didn't thank you know he was Kinda hard headed, but he found out he was good at track, and then he realized why I should have been doing this. The whole time even says today he says I would done track instead of football. So that's my. That's one advice gave to try everything out you know. Know, what you're GonNa like or what you're GonNa be good at because it takes trial and error in life to get to know you know to know things another thing I would say y'all don't get caught up in the whole media, or what people say about Oh, this players, gray, or that players great or Oh, you're not. You're not that you know or this kid's a prodigy or this kid. Is that this kids getting recruited like? Nobody cares about that all that matters at your age. You're just trying to get the experience, 'cause. You're always going to get better and just don't worry about the outside noise, but if you understand what I'm trying to say, I know how it is at your age, kids will be. Will you know whenever I played games? All His He's like he's he's the most. He has this or he's at his. His Dad knows whatever don't worry about that. That does not matter at the end of the day and the wrap up the question lasting I would say is when it comes to sports. Just have fun because it comes a point in time where it is on for me, so it's very fun for me show, but. But there comes a point in time where I see people who thought they loved it. They realize they never did or they didn't love it as much as they thought. I saw that a lot in college I would sit there and watch them all the time. I would love everyday ball camp, which was a day and night thing. Wake up at six. Six Go sleep at ten. Do it all over again, and there's your tainted. There's irritated me. I was still gotomeeting just happy as happy as ever. Not a care in the world is joining some playing football you know, and that's the only thing I would say. Keep trying a resort and see what you loved and don't ever. Don't let yourself gets that. That point where you'd think that you know that you have figured out that you love it. You gotTA. Know for sure of what you love. That's why I say try it. That's where that comes. Try Everything, and then if you love it great, stick with it, but not everybody loves it as much as they thing so just keep going and keep pushing. Tic Tac. One in. Why did you start your account? A I got to talk around. March I was just watching. Consuming content is looking at the creativity thousand. The APP was a little more creative than it is now and I. Didn't WanNa Post. I said I I can't post. I can't do it and it took me in so like I said Thanksgiving and Christmas time. Do actually pose because I saw one video will. People were commenting Tommy? It was great now it's like oh well. I guess I can. Also had like boy followers, and I never had that before and I was in the air like when it first came out I, never made any ron's I felt like. I couldn't so I said what do it. You never know what happened. Just go ahead to it and then August. Since then I you know sitting at twenty thousand dollars now on the site while I can't believe that's that's the thing for me like and doesn't feel like it's enough followers, but that is just crazy like how looking back on it like you know what I'm saying. Came over sudden, you started to try and stuff. Yeah, that's a big thing. I'm big on motivational speakers and Gary. Being was the reason why this actually said. Hey, you know it was making because he said, go ahead and make it you never know. Is GonNa hit and that's whenever I. Was Lose. You know if someone makes a world is blocked or delayed the comment you know, so it doesn't matter. Ahead and do it and stop being scared. You never know what's going to happen. It could happen in my favor and did so just gotTA. Just try things. That's really. Why did I wanted to try and it worked out? What's your most linked most viewed videos? I think most like was. It has to be between one that made this was the original one I say it's original because it was like original like. The crayon one that I made I made a Crayon one that I sat there. It was a silent skit. I sat there when a grow hands interlaced together, and then the headline dramatic opera music. I pulled out like a an eight pack of crayons. Down the other person, the other character was made in different clothing without eight-pack without sixteen pack, as for equal goes not quite goes. What in that of that? We're at sixty four. Pack us like no, no, then like the whole class is like clapping and everything so. Like the best one I think three hundred thousand likes that's for the bulk of my life came from on my page and the other one was. If you do that, I'm GonNa do that. We do that I'm GonNa do that and I had like one hundred and fifty thousand likes. Would you say that it also helps you get some followers? Yeah, big time the more like the volume. Go or the more borrow that you are more opportunities. People see your stop. Stop in Bali. As when it's all about, it's a numbers game, you know what when it comes to Tiktok or any social media. That's the thing about algorithms. I hate to use that word because it's always done around, but to key just simple, the more you stop is out there, which means the more people like it, the more it's GonNa Bush and what we see more people are like the more you're content is out the more likely you'll get more followers. Those videos show popular I think that's cred Crayon. One Canada's hit me all of a sudden and new work and I. It's popular because it's something that we all can relate to. That's the real reason why things are viral is at. They're either relatable or just flat out funny, and if you're both you just GonNa your viral, so I didn't think it was that funny. relatable, 'cause, everybody, UNA, comments, section or growing up in high school They will say like Oh man, whenever you had the sixty four pacman like you're you with the big guns and you hadn't sixty four pacman like in the sharpener pack like all that stuff like that's what the comments were. People say stuff like Oh man. I had the thirty six pack forty two pack, or I had this pack dude? I like the one sixty pack like you know all that stuff like Really, that's why feel like it was popular. Rainy giants creation for you to talk radio's which kid-friendly to talk has been your favorite. Maybe an order I have more crude comedy, but when it comes to kid-friendly, the best one is for the crown one who are drawn ration- from sometimes I'll. I will go to the for you page. It's not that I copy is just with on. That's how you do it when it's a trendy sound like if you do that math that you do that I'm GonNa? Do that old text twist on desktop partly where I get my mind sprays from, but also I sometimes think of to stop sometimes. It just hits me at nowhere like with the crown one. I was just going through a drawer to look for a microphone, and I saw crayons and I was like Dang I. Haven't seen I'm seeing this in a kid. Wait, it has hit me and all of a sudden I went to the back demise. The Game Room in my house. New ideas made it right there and set everything up. Then made up the Mike Fifteen twenty between thirty minutes I made it. To that posted it and Russell's history, so answer question, inspiration, kind come, it's just comes and goes, and whenever I just feel like habitats do it if it doesn't do well just private as a sequel though abetment. Out His private so. Many tests for the one to get more followers. Social Networks might tips will be when it comes to just talk solely. You had just be you and really put effort in your video. That's the thing that I see that. Don't do like example one video that I. Did was a stranger things. Skit is like hi. I'm Dustin I'm Robyn pleasure to meet you a, is he here? I guess here he says Oh, Henderson Clap, and like the effort. I put into that one was that I had to make sure. My Ring Light was placed right with the right angle because certain angles yet to be able to know whenever you filming, so I take. You have put a lot. More effort in distribution goes like quality, lighting and foam position. Hey, position your phone and just experimenting. Really that's that's the only way to get better at that, and that's the way to get more PAS on Tiktok, but the main thing is just be authentic and just keep on trying things that you know that you may not feel comfortable with just keep trying you never know what's GonNa hit and it may suck it. Make like getting judge, but at the end of the day you're worth trying to. You're trying it, and then they're not so. They can't really talk about anything you know, so. Does she just be yourself? Really, that's all that's all I can say. Curiosities when you were my age. What did you want to be reduced grew up? I wanted to become an NFL quarterback, and that's still in the works for me. I give myself three more years, but honestly. I still see happening because there's some things going on right now. That's been kind of beneficial for me. So that's still a work announced best to answer questions be NFL quarterback answer coach in the NFL or in college on a big time level, and also to play Division One football and I did I was able to do it and we played against Oklahoma at their house it. It was pretty cool to witness that in some I'm fulfilling. That might stop every kind of every year with me, so that's what I wanted to do. Football Oriented Heine training during this time at home. I'm Lucky Very lucky because my gym I know the guy who runs it, and he's like my quarterback coach and stuff my mechanics and everything and he kept it open. He kept it open the whole time, and we don't have really strict laws here in Louisiana as much as other places like Florida's different that the more populated estate is the harsher. It's GonNa be was a quarantine. Not that operated, so I believe someone like three million in the whole state, you can have that in one city in Florida. That's where like the problem is, but yeah. Outages able to train the hold time and have access to gym and still throw and everything like that, so never kind of hindered me. Video Games yeah, I, do. What's your favorite work for now is war zone, but unfortunately I sold my xbox, because I wanted to dedicate more time to reading and more ideas on Tiktok content on instagram and stopped. I wanted to grow, but that was. Yeah I'm deeply madden yeah. Oh yeah, it does because I. Think about with my coaches told me in a meeting rooms of all those years because I did make a log stakes laws planning college like so I was getting yelled at always gets all the same thing over but I I use that whenever I play I, say okay. We'll do this lineup this go this receiver. That receiver more times than not is realistic. The House may delay keep my wits with me football, knowing the coverages seeing what they're in, and then they they argue the overview of everything, so that's good, so but yeah, it does help a lot. Thank you for joining us your no problem. Like to finish this episode in the first season of the podcast with a big big, thank you to everyone who listened to this episode with few episodes or that stuck with me for the full season. You can't imagine how good flam for all the feedbacks ratings suggestions above all support and participation on this project. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart. 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Was coronavirus 50 years in the making?


11:06 min | 10 months ago

Was coronavirus 50 years in the making?

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello this is corona cost podcast all about the corona virus. I'm health reported Teigen Tyler. Non Physician and Journalists Norman Swan it's Wednesday. The thirteenth made so Norman one of the most common questions we get from audience. He's waited the coronavirus. Come from and we kind of know it came from the Wuhan area in China. We kind of know it had something to do with horseshoe bats. But you've got to be more Intel for us on this year. We did a couple of really interesting interviews last night for some thirty one was from a professor Arabic Gerry in Tulane University and he gave me what I thought was the clearest description of how this virus might have evolved because the starting premise was did it. Come from the lab. The answer for most people is no it didn't but if you look at the virus itself you can track probably a fifty year evolution in horseshoe bats to get to the point that had sat and that's one of their arguments to say it's not an engineered virus because you can just see the tracks of evolution the other argument. That's just that it's not engineered. Is it the Vars is to Gruden fact for engineering? In other words there's no virologists who knows how to engineer of virus that so efficient as the covered nineteen virus transmission and indeed is causing disease. So this is natural evolution so the question is when did it make the jump into humans and there are two possibilities one it actually jumped into. Humans are version of this narrowly evolutionary version of this fires jumped into humans few years ago. And it's been circulating in human populations not causing much disease and then mutated quite significantly in these humans to cause the current disease and that emerged in October November of this year the second hypothesis which is probably the more likely one is that human being somewhere. In China caught it from a horseshoe bat either directly or via an intermediate animal and they actually think the Pangolin. This enter Chinese and is a possibility point. Being somebody caught the virus either from the bats directly or from an intermediate animal and got the disease sometime in October November of this year and spread from there. Now the world knows about this wet market in Wuhan which is quite near one of laboratories. This was where people thought that the virus started but in fact the virus did not start in the wet market. Unlikely that it did because it was circulating before that and evidence of that but the relevance of the wet market is that that is probably where the first cluster burst so that somebody would have spread it in that market. It was a weight environment. Pretty much like we're seeing in meat. Works around the around the world now and it spread there and it burst out from there but probably did not start there so it's not an engineered virus. That's the first thing the second thing is. Could it be a natural virus that escaped from the lab? Nobody can say that that's impossible. They just think it's highly unlikely so natural sprayed into humans maybe years ago with a different form of the virus then transforming into the current virus or more likely it's spread in late two thousand and nine thousand nine hundred from animals to humans bats into the animal or badge directly and then spread from there and the wet market was if you like the accelerator of it rather than the originator. You mentioned before that it was unlikely that it was accidentally leaked from the lab wise. Why are we sure about that? I think they're a couple of reasons one is that this isn't the species of fires they were looking at in the lab. The other is that it's The old autumn's razor. Why would you invent something complicated? When something simple explains it creates a more complicated story than just the simple story of animals to human transmission. When we're exposed to bats all the time in Australia we've had bat. We've had I in human bat infection. The Hendra virus in Queensland spread from bats to horses to horse trainers. So this happens all over. The world happens in Africa's not just in China so let's talk to some questions from audience now. John is asking if someone is a symptomatic with carpet nineteen. What's the maximum amount of time that they could be contagious? Is there any data over research available on these scenario? There's some research not a lot but it looks as though people who are asymmetric I'm stage. Symptomatic seem to have the same pattern of infection as people who become symptomatic so they get infected. They become an incubation period. Probably the wrong thing to say when you'RE ACM to Mattie because incubating means the appeared before it becomes symptomatic but let's say four or five days on average and you'll maybe about day four or five. You really start to become seriously infectious. And then you reach your peak. Maybe five to ten days in and then the virus in your body declines after that up to about three weeks and I think it's about the same in symptom in eastern too many people and they seem to shade the same amount of viruses. People who are symptomatic seasons asking medical friend of hers says that many people who recover from the virus with serious holes in their lungs. That don't seem to heal is true. I think the jury is still out on. How much long term damage people are left with after covered? Nineteen I think if you get a mild disease then this quite lightly you make a complete recovery but if you veer disease and you're an intensive care then there are lots more things that happen to you than they did with SARS one back in two thousand and two thousand and three with SARS one if even if you had serious disease and your recovered the seemed to know after if it's not true of covered nineteen but there haven't been really good follow up studies published to be absolutely sure. There's certainly a case where people are getting. Klotz or causing strokes beginning inflammation of the arteries which is causing heart damage and some people are getting heart attacks as well sometimes with clots or sometimes not with clots and there's kidney failure as well so as multi organ damage there are reports of people being left with thinking in memory problems after covered nineteen and. I think that we just have to wait and see so. Don't think everybody with covered nineteen. Even if you've got serious owners are left with serious Lonnie facts but it is a possibility. Moving forward is one of the most important questions as we start to move through this pandemic. It's crazy like there's no way that we could possibly know what the longtime affects I now because we've only had the virus for months not even easier Detroit and we will return to this in a feature krona cast of the whole issue of pregnancies and other issue. Let's talk about some research so as a paper suggesting that the CG vaccine and I'll let you say that word in its full in a minute. The vaccine that's used to protect against becky license and isn't actually particularly very good at protecting against it. There's some evidence that could be useful in protecting against carbon nineteen. Yea A FASCINATING IMMUNIZATION. A little bit of history here. This started to be developed in the Twentieth Century mycobacterium tuberculosis that causes to TB was discovered in the late nineteenth century by German researcher called Robert. Cock and he proved that it caused Soon after that researchers started to see whether or not you could imagine immunize against it and of course you don't want to give live. Tb because you get very nasty infection. And they knew in the early part the Twentieth Century. The what you need to do for an immunization was get a if you like a deflated form of the bog. I was called an attenuated form of the box. So it's it's living but only just and you give it so safe to give it. You're not gonNA cause to bear kilos. This is what happens. With measles mumps chicken pox. Vaccine called live attenuated. Those are viruses. This is a bacterium so they took thirteen years to culture. This germ called Bacillus comet guy to after you thank you very much. They after the two researchers at the Pasteur Institute who developed it and I think it really came on stream in the early twenties from memory and it induces immunity to various forms of the mycobacterium leprosy tuberculosis. Maybe the barons. They're also which is another one but it's not fantastic. Maybe gives you fifty or sixty percent protection. But it's the best we've got. And then they realized as they find out more and more about the immune system is walk. The Best Comic Garin does is it. Induces a kind of generalized immune stimulation in the body in other words. It's a non specific response in the cells. That harbor memory in immunization so you get the measles immunization for example. Your Body remembers that for the rest of your life. So you get the measles. Fires the body tweaks up. Here's the measles farce what the g seems to do is it generally becomes alert to quite a few different things. And there is evidence that it helps to prevent a viral infections and seems to inhibit the virus in other words when you get infected with a virus. The virus multiplies in the virus. Floods your system. What's when you get the fever and you get all the illness attached to a viral infection? If you're covered for BBC particularly early on in life then that seems to lower the virus load in your body once you're infected and the other thing. Epidemiologically is a little bit of a signal that countries. Which do do a lot of BCG IMMUNIZATION TEND TO BE? Poor Countries at birth was a lot of tuberculosis around. They may be a bit protected against covered. Nineteen is this because you've got a large group of young people who are immune stimulate because A. B. C. G. They're not getting a symptomatic disease and then spreading it to adults or adult still retain some immune stimulation. We don't know yet but there are trials going on to see whether BCG immunization can actually protect you against covered nineteen. There's a trial I think Australia into healthcare workers. And it's GonNa be very very interesting to see because in the absence of a vaccine this maybe away through. We know that an action of the immune system can make nineteen worse. Oh wouldn't at a vaccine that stimulating the immune system may be potentially dangerous that is a hypothesis and concern here that they could make the sign kind storm the immune storm that you talked about worse the paper in nature which is summarized the evidence on argues the probably not because in fact what the BBC is doing is lowering the minute virus in the body there for reducing the risk of being overwhelmed by the foreigners and causing immune reaction. That's all from the corona cost creepy. Today don't forget to leave us a review on apple podcasts. If you can if you want to ask a question go to a dot net dot. 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Let Curiosity Lead You

Ignition Point

13:46 min | 1 year ago

Let Curiosity Lead You

"Welcome to point the show. That's here to help you take the leap conquer your week. And a chief your goals. If you're looking to amplify, your mindset with a fresh, perspective and spark momentum, you're in the right place. Hey, what's going on? I'm Stephen Miller. Thanks for joining me for another ignition point show where we feature a re-imagined motivational address or an exclusive guest keynote to help spark the momentum you need to empower another winning week just over a month ago. We posted the trailer for season one and your ongoing. Support has amazed me I normally like to make a grand gesture when I show my gratitude, but considering we can only afford confetti at the moment, I've got a great show lined up to celebrate the occasion, we're featuring our first special guest of the season. You may have noticed that focus has been a hot topic these last few episodes, but when you're one hundred percent focused twenty four hours a day seven days a week. You can get a lot done. But you end up on a collision course with burn out. Life is a balancing act. So how will you balance the scales? Well, our guest, and I think the best way to achieve that balance is by dedicating time to let curiosity lead. You on today's episode. I'm joy MO my good friend, Richard carton of Carthage enterprises, having hustled all through college as a dual sport. Do you want athlete is work ethic? His transformed into an all out effort for disrupting the status quo. Richard is an entrepreneur and a revenue enhancement specialist who's experienced spans startup rations, app, development, fundraising and fintech his podcast and newsletter. Crypto current gives listeners access to expert insights and current events in the fast paced world of fintech. Recently, Richard hosted New Orleans I ever crypto currency and blockchain conference sponsored by crypto current and he's even gone on to launch a brand new crypto currency investment fund for pre qualified investors called cresent city capital. So let's get after it. Here to share his perspective on balancing focus with curiosity. This is Richard Carthusian. Let your curiosity lead. You when is the last time you were genuinely curious about something what was it about? What did you find for the answers? How did it change your life? Let yourself be curious explore new things in may bring you to exactly where you're always looking for for the past few years. I let my curiosity lead me to new opportunities out of never dreamed of and I'm gonna get to that in a little bit. But for right now, I want to challenge you at this moment at this second to think about something that you are truly curious about go. Find out some more information on that one thing within the next week, it stirs something in you that could change your entire life. Give yourself permission to be creative as a pass division. One. Does sport athlete at Tulane university? I played both football and baseball and time management was absolutely crucial in my life. Because I didn't have a lot of free time. This experience taught me the discipline to maximize my entire day to have the maximum productivity. However, it did not allow me to be very creative with my thinking. During college had a curiosity about building apps. This led to create him first startup was able to build fundraise and launch an app this launch. My entrepreneurial journey said Monteilh life on a completely different path than originally anticipated. I always thought that I was going to be a lawyer in got into law school, but through creating this app, I knew that I had something that was stirring, passionate me. I was willing to put that on hold are not even pursued anymore. Just so I have the opportunity. To pursue my passion. This alternate launch my journey on a complete different path, which is generally made me the happiest I've ever been. The way that I even got to the point where I was able to come up with this business idea was that I was part of a business fraternity called alpha Kappa sigh, and I had one of the brothers come up at one of our meetings in say for all the entrepreneurial spirits out here. I want you to come up with a new idea everyday thirty days. So right now right now in this moment, I wanna challenge you the next thirty days to come up with a new idea every single day. This will be challenging most of your ideas are going to be absolutely terrible. But by the end, I bet you will come up with one gym or even more worth exploring. Challenge yourself to come up with the answers. If there's one thing I've learned about the adult foiled is that most people truly do not know what they are doing. They either have developed systems processes to help them get to the essence quickly and with his little friction as possible. We can find answers to any question. We have right now seconds. We just have to take the time to find the answers knowledge is power. You just have to find the time to go and get that knowledge all of us have the same amount of time one hundred sixty eight hours in a week. How are you spending that time maybe that means you sleep a little less? Maybe that means you don't want to must TV, but all of us have a hundred sixty eight hours a week. I challenge you to be more creative. And how you spend some of that time, for example, back when I was in college one of my good friends challenged me to read more books because he's told me what do all billionaires have in common. Billionaires read on average two hours every single day. That means they're reading more than anyone else. They're more knowledgeable. They're constantly searching for more and more knowledge that will help their business decisions. So what I started to do was as I began to work out. I begin the listen to podcasts two books. So that as I was working my mind, also working, myself physically. And so I was getting the best of both worlds, especially when it came to my different curiosities. If there's something that I wanna learn now, I'll listen to a book are listen to a podcast in the same way that you can go and Google search for any question that you may have we have the resources now to where you can listen to it on a podcast, go read a blog about it, or you can go watch YouTube video that will purely answer any question that you have knowledge is power. So take some of your power back in some of your time backed by spending some. That time exploring your curiosity. I want to challenge you right now to go. Find an answer to something that you don't have the answer to for example, what is wind if you had to explain what is wind to a child. How would you explain it? Whether it's a question like that or whether it's something our own life, right now, you have your own question that instantly came to your head in these few seconds that you want to know the answer to challenge you right now. Go spend some time go find that answer last. But not least if someone asked you a question from a place of genuine curiosity be patient with them an answer them to the best of your ability. It is very easy to get frustrated are try to quickly answer something. So that you just don't even have to entertain the conversation. Even if it's something that you don't wanna talk about instead answer that curiosity with patients in with genuine interest answer their curiosity. It can make a huge difference in that person's life. How many times have you been genuinely? Curious about something got an answer. And then that kind of change the whole progression of how you viewed that particular thing for the rest of your life art helps shape who you are today. Just because someone took the time to explain it to you. So remember what you say? And how you say it matters. So laid your life through curiosity and be a little bit more curious upcoming week. And just see where we'll take you. Because ultimately, it could bring into xactly where you were meant to be. Rishard always has a hot take. And this is no exception before I leave out the three ways you can elevate your week. Take a second to acknowledge that you can't let your curiosity. Get the best of you. Don't get me wrong, curiosity and creativity or two of the greatest strengths a person can have. But if you overuse a strength, it becomes a weakness when someone over uses, curiosity or creativity. They're often criticized for having a short attention span or being uncommitted to their work. You should absolutely apply Richards recommendations, but you need to keep your curiosity. Under control you need to maintain that discipline to carry out your task at hand, otherwise you'll fail to progress to a point where you can apply. Your creative drive. This is what differentiates creators like Frank Lloyd Wright, Jen Rubio in the calls and brothers from the everyday run of the mill researcher. So concentrate on your top priorities, then fire up your curiosity and cr-. Cranky creative drive up to eleven. Now that we're on the same page. Let's review Richards, advice and determine what you can do this week to let curiosity lead you first, let's take the next seven days to kick. Start your thirty day idea challenge. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got. When I I took this challenge was declared the bottom Zora my desk and commit that space to my ideas, this way, I keep my attention, dedicated my priorities and call on the ideas, I came up with when the moment was right. All you have to do is set out some dedicates Heim each day to identify a problem enduring up a solution. Open your mind and apply or imagination fix some worldly issues, organizational inefficiencies, and even personal inconveniences. So breakout a sketch pad and put your thoughts on paper by this time next week get seven ideas into the bottom drawer of your desk. Next up go on the hunt for knowledge and learn something new what are you going to investigate? If you're looking for a little direction I'd recommend targeting your initial question toward. Is something specific or niche? Let's look at Richard's background in fintech. As an example, if you're curious about what he's doing. You can start by learning the fundamentals of crypto currency on Richard's crypto current podcast. But then take a ride down the rabbit hole. Go find one crypto currency that Piques your interest watch video about it. Check out the development roadmap on its website and figure out where you could invest in it. When you commit to learning. More often you start to know enough to be dangerous on handful of topics. If you find yourself really into a subject, it might even lead you down the path to becoming a subject matter expert or a specialist so go do your research. Lastly, if someone comes to you for your education perspective this week practice patients and show willingness to teach of all the people they could've asked they consciously chose to ask you, it might be because you're approachable. Maybe you've got experience they lack or you could be the teammate they trust most show them the same respect they show you in asking. For your perspective. Give little thought to a time when you've been in their shoes when you've asked genuine questions in the past. You might have preface the question saying, I have a stupid question. But have you ever considered that the questions only feel stupid because you don't have the answer already? You're embarrassed. You don't know yet? The fact that you're asking is worthy of praise this week sees the opportunity to teach invent that person for asking the question if you've alad their curiosity and provide a thoughtful answer the outcomes become limitless. As Richard said there are one hundred sixty eight hours in a week. How are you spending that time this week come up with seven solutions worthy of your idea drawer? Go down the research rabbit hole to find some answers and practice patients. When someone comes to you looking for insight don't ever, forget that knowledge is power successful people. Never stop learning. So use your time wisely. One of my favorite teachers Scott beam is used to say trying doesn't get it done doing does. So make time to let your curiosity lead. You and go get that knowledge. I'd like to our special gas Richard Carthusian for coming on the show this week. If you're interested in finding out how you can work with Richard visit Richard carbon dot com and check out his podcast crypto current by visiting crypto dash current dot CO links to all his sites and social media can be found in this episode show notes found on decisive leap dot com slash ignition point ignition point is all about making a positive impact. So please share the show with someone. You think it would help your thoughts and feedback helping mission point to keep moving forward. So feel free to send an Email to Stephen decisively dot com or writer of you for the show on apple podcasts. Remember, you can dream about your future or you can make it happen. But both require the same energy. So stay motivated and keep moving forward. If you put in the hard work right now one day, you could be the one motivating the world with your story. I'll be looking forward to speaking with you next time on another ignition point now get out there and win the week.

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EP99: Therapists, Social Media, and Toxic Monogamy

Let's Talk About It with Taylor Nolan

1:12:02 hr | 1 year ago

EP99: Therapists, Social Media, and Toxic Monogamy

"Hello and welcome to. Let's talk about it I host Taylor and I am. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm GONNA fan girls slightly in the episode with our guest by been following her on instagram. And she's a fellow therapist tonight. I'm working out of Philadelphia and I've just really really loved following her on several of her pages and we're going to cover a little bit therapist content but we're also going to get into some relationship stuff and cover a few topics at posted about on my instagram. That I've received mixed feedback from and that she has also shared So we're GONNA talk about toxic monogamy. We're talk about Consensual non monogamous relationships. We're going to talk about social media as a therapist and we're GonNa talk about listening to people's People's problems so hope you guys are ready for a fantastic episode so welcome leads to the show. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me. Today I am not going to. I feel like I fan girl over you and all of your different accounts so I'm so incredibly grateful and love the content that you you put out there and love the work that you're doing and I'm just like I wanna be friends with you but I'm also excited to have you on here and just thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to finally get an opportunity to chat with you. Yes I literally I follow all three of your accounts and I'm like L. Like I WanNa do consultation with her then I want to be my mentor but like I think I think I need to take a class are doing so many amazing things. Things parties. I don't know how to find the time to do this like down. It's just very very impressive. Lots of planning yes. It's not as much on the back end. I think looks like on the other side. Well that's good to know you're working smarts. Exactly exactly exactly yes. Well I would love to kind of start us off with the discussing a little bit about your journey to becoming a therapist now. I've have done my own instincts talking on you and have learned a little bit myself Just about The schools you applied to and you know getting into your dream ame school after you already accepted one school And the work that you do in Philly moving for love. You had an an accident were you kinda had to regroup and figure out where what you were going to do in life and Just seems like quite a quite a story up until You you know maybe getting to the point that you're at now we're getting to When you started your group practice so would love if you could share with us a little bit about your journey here? Well you know my story better than I like to do. Diligence talking and like I said I have legit fan grilled over you and love love your content so I was like I gotta figure out like all this stuff about her like I got. I got to know her your therapist memory. Thank you said a couple of things right now and I was like. Oh yes that did happen. I forgot about so I I you know I always knew. I wanted to help people but I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do. And I think that that resonates with most people where we kind of change our mind constantly were growing up in the we start dabbling in the thing. We thought we would want to do. And we don't like it So I initially went to school to college to be a teacher and I was not great at it I'm not good at classroom management. I give so much Kudos to teachers because it's so over stimulating to be in a classroom watching the people and managing them teaching them. And I just wasn't great with it so I decided to change my major to organizational development. Because because I thought maybe I would do educational consulting and I went through the Department of Education I got that degree and graduated was like. Oh my gosh. What the hell am I going to do with this degree because who's going to hire someone as an educational consultant that has never taught before that doesn't really have classroom experience So I felt kind kind of lost and I had actually graduated a few years later than everybody because I had this crazy accident where I cut my finger off a sliding glass door fell on it. And I had to take a almost an entire year off of school to have all the surgeries and to learn how to. It's my hands again so it was just like this big thing. I just wanted to get out of school so I finished with a degree. Didn't know what I was going to do and I was driving down on the highway. One day do you know this part. No I don't buy like on the edge of my seat here so I was driving down the highway and the way I was inspired inspired to become a couples therapist was because of a billboard. I love this I I was so lost I was like. Do I WANNA be a lawyer therapist. Like what am I gonNA do. I have to do something else because this degree. I don't know what to do with it so so I see this billboard for college for Marriage and family therapy program and I was like. I'm going to do that and I went hum afternoon. I'm not even kidding. Needle life decision also billboard and I mean the billboards were they worked people do that. They certainly certainly got a return on their investment. Even if I was the only person they converted right. Yes yes definitely so. I went home. I applied. I got in to this program for marriage and family therapy and it just immediately I was like oh my gosh I finally know exactly what I WANNA do and I remember getting my reading list. That's summer and just taking all these books to the beach just reading and being so excited look through tax stocks and end to just really start to think about what I was going to do and even though it came from a billboard. It was just perfect for me like I always van Dan so curious about relationships and the reason I wasn't a good teacher was because I was choose zoned into the one on one interaction. Yeah and I really like wanted to know the kids and stuff so I did family therapy track and I thought I wanted to work with kids. The here's another time. I thought I wanted to do something. I moved to New Orleans Shortly after Hurricane Katrina I took doc a job in school trying to revamp mental health programs. That were kind of nonexistent. I worked with Tulane University to to do some stuff around mental health triage when there's not enough mental health professionals in a lot of trauma and I loved it but I also realized got that working with kids wasn't necessarily my thing and that I've really loved working with the parents and so that's really where my path started in terms of couples therapy. Not as I just became fascinated with supporting the parents in hand so sorry go in that direction less New Orleans for guy who I was head over heels for with back to philly sound out. He had other girlfriends. Oh No not oh. I knew that he wasn't a good guy that you learn things about him. But you know that that was it and that makes me really upset it. It is amazing though because all of the girls and I we actually talked and we were really supportive of each other and the it ended up actually working out really really well for my life. I mean obviously sucked at the moment but it was a moment in time where I just decided I'm not happy do you like my relationship wasn't great wasn't existent. Obviously the job that I took from the move the paychecks to me were bouncing and so I quit that job at quit. That guy and I decided to open a private practice. I was probably a little bit out of my mind at the moment man and was just like I'm done with everybody is yes but like damn you go girl you got her. Yes I mean all the girls that were involved in that situation amazing yes I love I love when it turns out that way that it just turns into like a bunch of lady love as opposed was to like all the ladies hating each other's like as opposed to this man who clearly is one that actually betrayed all of you. Yeah it was totally lady love and it it was. It was really great for moving forward because there wasn't any there really wasn't any drama. Surprisingly all right it's time for a short short break here. I want to share a really awesome sponsor of the podcast case defy. You guys might have heard me talk about before They are my favorite phone case to US news. Because it's not only going to actually keep my phone safe. 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So keep your phone protected and cute and with all that said we can get back to the show so start my practice and I had no money because those paychecks bouncing so so I always tell people I literally started with less than twenty dollars in my account And that's not an exaggeration. I was like using quarters to buy Mac and cheese at wildlife though so broke it was really hard Seiken really empathize with people. When they're in a place where they thank things aren't going to change or get better? They feel stock. Because it's hard and I started this practice and with with some luck and some hard work it became something very quickly and I now have a group practice with ten therapists in center city Philadelphia. And it's going really well and I'm in a great place I'm married. I have a baby now and so That's kind of the winding path. Other things in there too but but eventually brought me to where I am now. Yeah that's such a journey and like I think just shows so much resilience in you thank you. You may not have thought that in the moment Eh. Hey It's through that struggle. You know that that resilience come so it definitely a tough time to go through And I can relate in some ways to bits of that story of your story you know feeling like holy crap like what am I doing. Nothing seems James. Right and it's it's it's a really difficult place to be and I think one of the things I'm so thankful for. Is You know going through the program that I went through to even be therapist that we we maybe are a little bit ahead of the curve and having some of these skills to be able to use them In our lives not to say that we're not still human instill don't like make mistakes and you can find ourselves an unhealthy situations by at least having some of that awareness. I think you you know I. I feel very grateful for I do too. I think that being a therapist and also having the awareness awesome what it really does feel like to have life just at certain periods of time feel like a total mass and feel incredibly painful. It's really helpful because you can. Actually you can totally put yourself in people's shoes but you can understand where feelings of hopelessness would come in around. You can also see that it changes and you can hold that hope for them Yeah you can empathize. I mean totally. It's not I mean even when I And University did a lot of work with Substance Abuse Rehabilitation. And I'm I'm a sober. Sally like I drank a little bit when I was like twelve thirteen eighteen and never got fully drunk and haven't drank sense but like I worked you don't with substance abuse and people were always like. Oh how can you do that when you know like I. You've never drink. So like how could they even relate and it's like well I don't have to have gone through the same exact thing that they have in order to be able to empathize with the things that feel lean and then the day like about that relationship that you build to be able to do that productive work with your clients so that empathy goes such a long way absolutely not such a great example of that like where you had almost no personal experience with the issue. They're struggling with But that you're able to deeply connect with them and empathize with them anyway. Yeah yeah and I mean especially when you look at this specific example of substance abuse where it literally literally is everywhere in our societies. So it's like You know several people my family and friends and really is everywhere around us so In that example specifically it's really not that difficult. I think to empathize because so many people are are affected by it but It's the empathy. I feel like we are as therapists. Were like empathy gurus. Yes I love that I I think so too. I think we're lucky because every day. We have to really push ourselves to find new ways to empathize and doing that just makes relationships in our our other parts of our lives. That are outside of our work lives. I think much easier because we can take got it. We can use it with our partners and our children and our family members And so it's such a lucky skull for us to have and one of the things that you've posted you've posted like so many several amazing Topics and and points that you share on your instagram instagram. But one of them that you just reminded me of was talking about when when people think how do you. How do you do what you do? Just like sitting and listening to people's problems all day that that has got to be exhausting and I didn't episode Awhile Back Solo episode talking about like becoming a therapist and I believe I talked about this point a little bit but would love to hear your response to that on on here for people who think you know. Maybe oh wow like being a therapist sounds like the super draining thing. Where like you're listening to people complain and talk about their problems and you know how difficult that must be for us? Yeah Yeah and you probably hear that as well right from France or even from client him. Yes Yep that's what I was GONNA say from clients of literally like apologizing like like sorry like you have to hear all this and I'm like no yes. I know I hear it all the time from people that working with where especially you know in the first session Russian before you really know they tell me something so important so vulnerable and then they apologize and say. I'm so sorry that's probably a lot for you'd have to take on and yeah and people in my family or my friendship group. They say the same thing where like I wouldn't be able to sit wasn't people complain all day. That's usually they're like. Oh how do you deal with people complaining all day. Yes well. That's not exactly what happens. Maybe you should go to therapy so you could say exactly exactly exactly. I don't think I've ever actually had a session where I felt ever that this person was just sitting here complaining like in session. We're literally doing work. You know absolutely absolutely. It's I don't think I can think of any session where somebody was just complaining. And if they were her it was part of the work. Yeah like sometimes you need to to bed because you don't have anywhere said to share that. Yeah exactly all right. It's time for a short break here. 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So be sure to go to plant package dot dot com and use code Taylor for fifteen dollars off your first plant package and please like tag me and your photos of your plant package because I absolutely love them and I want to see where you guys put them and how I use them but with all of that said now we can get back to the show so when people and I would love to hear your perspective too you but for me it actually is the greatest gift to my life because when I get to hear every every day for most of my day about the things people go through about the feelings are having a see their resilience. I see how life tall I I meet with somebody on a Monday. Then and they feel like nothing's ever GonNa Change by the next Monday they get this amazing job the promotion that just comes out of nowhere or the opposite happens I meet with somebody. Who's doing account Monday? And then some sort of tragedy randomly strikes and I think that in being with people in that way I see the way the world people actually are behind closed doors I have no the ideal image of what life looks like and I think that that really helps me with my level of expectation that also my levels of disappointment Ram. Because I'm not walking around thinking I'm the only person that's struggling. I'm the only person that has bad things happen to me I I bet it happens to everybody and something vow that makes it feel much more surmountable the other piece of it. That for me has really helped me to manage. Hearing all of those difficult things is that I'm constantly constantly learning something new MHM sometimes. I'm learning things. Don't have to do about therapy right like I have people I work with. They have all sorts of childs and experiences than I get to learn about how things I would never learn about but also learn about resilience. I also learn about the types of problems that People come upon nine and how they overcome them enthused things. I can apply my own life and so having the ability to be with people in that way for me has personally made my own emotional world is so much easier to manage on top of it in the most important part is is that it's just section honor than people would sit across meal trust you and share their story and have space for maybe the first time in their life to just be themselves and to cry or laugh or do whatever they need to do without restricting that and so just thinking about it in those terms makes it easy to manage. How difficult sometimes people's experiences are but it makes something? That's just I don't know I don't know another word. Such such an honor in such a privilege for me. Yeah now I I totally agree with everything you he said. And you definitely touched on some points that I've shared in the in the past and that I strongly hold and with it being an honor I also say a I say I think it's a sacred space and I'd say that you know it's it's super super special relationship and I honestly feel like people who are in this field or like a different breed of people Because we look at that kind of human interaction ask just such this beautiful special space that like helps give us life in some ways that gives us a different perspective on live. That like you said you're learning like just life skills and to me. That's part of why I was so interested in going into the field in the first place. Because it's it's it's like this is literally a field in which you are ever evolving like there is. There is no session that is going to be the exact same. There's there's never really going going to be a boring session and every session. Yes your your client is learning and they're growing and maybe they're struggling in the same token you are also learning a lot from that person getting to hear other people's ways of life and how they cope with things and seeing that change and seeing that growth I think is such such a such an honor. It's it's such a special place to be that I hold such hi respect so I totally agree and I I think when people look at it that way they see less where it's a burden But I do think that in for the most part people feel like their feelings are a burden and so regardless. If you're getting paid at the fact that I'm telling you my my feelings is still going to be a burden on you. And I think that also kind of lends to this concept that like. They're pissed they're here to fix your problems but We don't take on like there's a for me. There's a pretty strong boundary of your problems are not my problems and so therefore you you telling me these things situations are struggling with is not at all a burden on me. I'm I'm here holding this space with you but I'm not taking this on myself absolutely absolutely and I think that with them feeling like it's a burden therapy is one of the first places places that maybe they can see how a relationship looks when someone doesn't take on their problems and and that it's okay for them to have have feelings in front of that person and also know that the person can take care of themselves and be honest and have boundaries and it's the relationship leadership in the therapy room is a great way to practice what relationships can look like outside of therapy room exactly exactly. I really hope if we haven't already like I feel like so far in this episode. We've probably convinced people to either go to therapy at this point or to become become therapists. I hope both of those things One thing I want us to get into a little bit here since we shared in common. And it's definitely on different levels. Something people always have questions for me on and it's around social media and how how you manage being a therapist and having a public presence on social media and so and you have three different social social media accounts and from my perspective. It's one that's kind of personal. That's Liz listens. And then the better life therapy is is like your actual practice and then your modern therapy practice page is like your coaching. So also business page so to business pages personal page age correct. Yes exactly well you know. Liz Listens is still. It's still like a business page. I actually have a personal personal pitch. Okay okay here we go. Yes part of what lots of photos of babies babies. Yes well see. That's the I think there's there's so many different layers to this and I think it is becoming more of a a of a new thing that perhaps you know ethics committees are have not fully caught up to yet by people. Come to me a lot with the question of like you know is is is what I'm posting. Ethical is it professional and I have a I have a business page for my practice that I don't host them out and I don't link to or anything like that but and then my personal page is the one that is the most public and and there are a lot of my a lot of parts of my life that are very public. All right. It's time for a short break here and want to chat for a minute it about some CBD because a lot of people ask me questions about CD. And it's really all the buzz these days and I'm sure you guys have heard about some of the potential the benefits of CD. But I wanNa let you know that. Not all CD is actually created equally many brands have just CBD Bites Bites. 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It sounds like you do have a more personal personal page than his listens by You you have shared small bits of yourself on on that yeah page and I'm curious what it's been like for you to navigate your professional life with having platform on social media. Yeah it's certainly interesting. I liked one of the posts. You made the other day where you kind of addressed it You you just talked about. Okay how people judge your posting and that this is kind of you in. You're going to post these things here in that. Ah It's not harmful really inherently al.. It's just people's judgments and their own assumptions about like what certain things mean. That's what a therapist should be. What a therapist and also calling out the ad pages not like I'm a therapist page rate? Ah I have some thoughts about this. Please let let's talk about them and we're probably very similar in our thoughts about it but first of all I think that the image image of what a therapist should be has been really damaging to the profession totaling more than anything else. I think that therapists being on instagram and end on podcasts and having facebook pages writing blogs has made therapy finally seem real accessible. Yeah I think cryer tonight which is pretty recent times you know like ten years ago. Five years ago last year. I wasn't even on instagram yet. which is so interesting but therapists weren't seeing at all and so you only image that people have therapists was what is shown in the media? Yeah or maybe some weird dark memories. They had a child therapist where like they went into a room. That was kind of cold from from the nineteen seventies and it didn't feel like something ever wanted to to do again. And people were only finding therapists screw ooh directories or or through their insurance panels and maybe not even seeing their faces until the first time they met them And I think that created the sense of therapies. He's kind of a scary place like I'm not allowed to know who this person is. I have to go into the space Guts and I don't know them for me me being in these spaces is really an ethical dilemma for me. Because I actually think it's unethical to do things that make AAC Not seem accessible and I think that it's incredibly ethical to make it something that people feel comfortable with it. People have choice. which is what social media has really done is? It's given people choice. They can find me on instagram. And say I don't really like herb. Look there's this other person and she has my personality or they have my personality and I I want to work with them and instead of having to pick a name out of a book and so to me me. That's so incredibly important that people feel like it's something they can really access and when I consult salt with therapists I talked to them about. There's four types of people that need therapy. INSTAGRAM talks to all of them Whereas the other types of things might only talk to one group and so the first group of people that needs therapy or wants therapy? They're very educated about mental L. Health. So they're gonNA ask their doctor their friends or they're going to Google and they feel confident reaching out but there's another three types. There's three other types of people all who might not do that. So there's somebody who's like an immediate need that got in a fight with her boyfriend the night before and they're really upset or is having a panic attack and they really WanNa talk to somebody and being on. Instagram makes that people already know who they're going to call and make an appointment in West and then there's a group of people who therapy makes some really nervous and so they need it by. They aren't sure if they you want to reach out and I think having a presence online helps people to overtime overcome that's comfort and nine just like take a deep breath and send email and say. Can I schedule with you. I've been following you for awhile. Instagram totally the fourth type of person doesn't even know they need therapy. They have an issue that they they he needs to deal with. But they don't realize therapy would help. So they're googling other sources of support. Let's say that they always have physical ailments and they've been going all sorts of doctors maybe they see a somatic counselor online and everything resonates with them. And they're like. Oh my gosh. Maybe what's happening in my body. He is from trauma. Let me go talk to trauma therapist. So when you're on social media you're connecting with so many more people who might need you you and you're making it easy for them to need you Into you totally and to the to the example that you shared with someone. One that says shoots emails. Hey I've been following you and you know. I think I'm ready to seek help now. And you know Jerry if you have any availability How do you then go about that? I know people for from my experience. Said you know that would seem really unethical. Paul to Get clients from this personal instagram. And that they already know these things about your life and about what you post post and so that brings in all these things and how could you do that. I have my own. I have my own response to that. Glad I WANNA help people what is wrong with you. Dare you be in the modern age. Yeah Okay so first of all I do think that there could be times that social media could become an ethical right like if you're GM coming back and forth all the time with your clients or certainly following them in commenting on their staff in hurting their confidentiality of any way Or if you're resolving your own traumas like through social media instead of resolving them with a therapist like you're using it it is a way to heal like there could be some stuff with that but to me. There's no difference in a website and social media first of all so if they find me on instagram and they wanna work with me to me. It feels like they found me on a website and they wanna work with me. It's just a much more immediate. What website where? I can post more often and stuff like that now. Do you feel that way though. Because you don't necessarily post like super specific personal things. I mean there are some things on there. You know like a client could come in with some of the information that I have you know like Oh like well. What was your accident that you had and you know what was what would this guy? Why was this guy bad well and you know I think a couple things that I read this to be the other day that I really liked that was about this and someone said they could research all of that about you? Anyway you get to the narrator of it but I really. I'm a big follower of like urban alone. I believe in self disclosure anyway as long as it's appropriate to me them knowing these things about me is actually helpful. If you if you're a therapist that knows how to navigate it yes and so. Let's say an ethical dilemma. Might be that they come in the room and let's say they've struggled to conceive and they know I have a child and they because of my social media may say you know I kind of feel uncomfortable talking about this with you because they already know you have a child. Think those of the things that people are concerned about will name those things so maybe they won't feel they can talk about things with you but I'm so comfortable setting boundaries and I'm so comfortable exploring things with people that that doesn't bother me I really welcome it and I actually think that it helps with understanding person in terms of the real world so because they know about that that about me then and I can say something like. Wow that must be really hard for you. How are we going to work through that in this relationship? And what do you need to know. It's about me or what I'm thinking in order to feel comfortable. Or what do I need to know about use that you feel comfortable. I think in my opinion it makes the relationship so much more authentic. I'm really creates conversations. That are impactful in therapy. I haven't had about experience with it yet. And I'm really clear what the boundaries once we worked together. You know what I'm saying. I know you said you. Follow me on social media. And that's that's great but you have to remember that Now that you're my client. We really to protect your confidentiality And these are something some things that we do. You know. I'm not going if you like opposed or if you share one of my posts or something. I'm not going to say you shared it. I'm not going to respond to your comments. Yeah you have to to make sure that you're responsible for protecting that. We can't each other. I'm just like really clear about all of that and it it goes well and EH anybody I've worked with that has found me through that channel. Says that it's the reason that they felt comfortable coming to therapy. Because they felt like they kind of had an understanding of how. My personality isn't how I work and that it just made it comfortable. Yeah Yeah I mean and I think that all makes total sense all right. 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Some of the things that you discussed in there like literally I have my social media. Disclosure pulled up on my computer as we speak now. And I'm like yeah just talks about. She's talked about that Swear like yeah I go through all these things and those boundaries are so important to disguise discuss and I think any kind of you know conflict or situation that comes up in session in the therapeutic environment is an opportunity like you said you know. It's it's where you get to do kind of some of that like real life work where some of the things that they're bringing in you know are are going to be helpful for them once they leave because of how you've worked through this relationship together And yet it's for me. It's the first thing I go over is a social media disclosure and you know just really reiterating those boundaries boundaries and how important those are and a for some people I guess. It just really doesn't seem so foreign and that concept of you know this Forty and therapist do you know his concrete in their head of like. This is what it is. This is what it should look like. That were literally in the in the midst of this transition position that I think feels really uncomfortable. Uncomfortable for people and Unfortunately a lot of what. I've noticed it's been that a lot of people that have never even actually been to. Therapy are the ones better than judging me negatively thousand therapists saying they would never come see me as therapist so so interesting thinks about you know. I have many many many theories on this. You know I think a large part of being a young therapists people want to kind of like knock you down and be like well. You haven't experienced yet to be able to you know. Know these things uh-huh I think just the fact that I was on reality. TV In and of itself people feel that they're able to like knock down that professional credibility the And I think it does. I can understand the the blurred lines. That might be there. But I think that's also just goes to show how difficult it can be for us to see people as the whole picture that you know. Our professional identity is not our entire identity entity that we have many different parts in many different bits of ourselves. Then it's a whole gone a whole rant about it I think partially did and one of my solo episodes about therapist. And I think I do think that you know everything that you super super on point and valuable and I think can help people better understand I would love to chat a little bit non therapy and discuss a little bit about some relationship stuff. I know I've shared some of the stuff that you've posted and kind undergone some little tangents just from that and then I've also noticed. We have posted on similar topics And they've been topics that I gained a lot of traction on the people seem really engaged in And that clearly that you posted then unlike. I'm very engaged in topic And so one of those that I I I want to make sure we get to today is talking about toxic monogamy game. I find that that concept is so important. Went and one that for many people is like a total lightbulb. I love if you could share a little bit about you know. Some of the signs are flags or components of wet toxic monogamy could look like and if there are things that you know. If you have like personal example to be able to to share from to ask so I think when people hear the phrase toxic monogamy bigamy and they're in a monogamous relationship their guard goes up and they're like oh my gosh or the like we should never have monogamous relationships and sometimes the comments on the posts if I post about it or if I share my stories are very catastrophic thinking life suppo. Oh you're you're posting this now like nobody's ever going to have monogamous relationships. I remember one person said. This is the end of relationships as we know it yet and I've got this messages ages. Yeah and I always just wish I could sit across from them and be like. Let's talk about this because I think that the Lens. You're viewing us through right. Now is making this concept except a lot scarier to you than what it is and the concept is actually really healthy. Whether you're in a monogamous relationship or you are are practicing pommery rain you know either way. These concepts are important because they are healthy ways of relating to people and so I'm in a monogamous relationship and I that is the way for me. It's like them as comfortable thing for me to do. But within that there's certain things that societally we have decided that monogamy represents and some of these things are unhealthy and they allow people to get away with things that aren't okay. So you know. For instance that jealousy is a a symbol of how much you love somebody rain so somewhere along the lines. We decided in our monogamous relationships that acting on jealousy not the feeling of jealousy because human beings feel jealous but acting on jealous see in a way. That's destructive Is Okay because it means that you really watch them. Yes and that there's a spectrum of that right so that could be be feeling jealous and just saying really nasty st things to your partner Because you feel jealous was something that a dead or feel like they might be interested in somebody else. Or whatever or Eric could really result in some more extreme things like being harmful. I don't know cutting people's tires or something like that getting in a bar fight because this guy like looked your girl in a big way but then she's like Oh my God he loves me so much exactly. And that's I've had that happen before where I was like on a date with somebody. They've shoved some guy because he looked at me. And my gosh it built in that though. Was this belief. I'm sure in his head where it's like No that's how she and I are dating. Nobody else can look at her because Monroe arguments relationship at this. Is My territory my exactly. Yeah yeah so I always say. Don't pee on me I like. I'm like you're like a dog trying to pee on me right now and I'm like please don't be on me. Yes so you know in helping monogamy or unhealthy polly emery or whatever. We don't Need To pee on people that a somewhat unless you can. Yeah like unless unless here have consent. Don't be on someone exactly so we don't mean to mark our territory with urine less. That's your thing and then go for it. Yes so so. That's one thing that has been built into toxic monogamy so a more healthy version of that is to notice your feelings of jealousy. And did you notice that. They're not symbols of love but that they are symbolic of feeling like there is something that is you're not worthy of. There's there's something that you're feeling less than a score like insecure and really reflecting on what that's all about and using that jealousy of guide towards growth instead of a guide towards destruction. Yeah Yeah and and I I want to say that. Another component of this that that I've talked about and really was quite entertained at the feedback from it. Was this concept of like. You're going to be your partners everything and yeah that you're just you really just take all the boxes and you know you guys are each other's literal everything everything you are the meaning for life for this person and in my own personal relationship you know. I've certainly been certainly have become much more aware of this kind of topic More recently in the last year and a half ish than I think I ever really have been end before and I. I do strongly think that some of what is built into this concept of Nog Naar society does put that pressure on on us to be that person's everything which makes dating so much more difficult to which makes you know these maths that we put on each other and this pressure that we put on each each other's so much more intense than it needs to be But the the mix of reactions to this posted. I did on just saying saying you know I'm I'm not someone's everything but that doesn't mean that I'm not enough so interesting to where people either were like. Wow you now. I never realized that I put that pressure on myself and on my partner and not. Yeah like that makes much sense that that is kind of unrealistic and that that does create a lot of conflict that really. We don't need if we can accept this about each other and on other hand it was things like you know. Oh well that's that's not real love because you know my husband has been my everything for thirty years right and like no Taylor like you are good enough like you so you can be. Someone's everything like you know. Maybe you're not in the right relationship. Yes exactly which just touches was on other problematic things like when we think that because something works for us that it has to be the same way for everybody else you know it just because one one person had a relationship where they were each other's everything and it worked out perfectly doesn't mean that that's the way for everybody and but yeah I I can imagine that you got a lot of responses like no must mean that things are unhealthy. And you're like no where. Where did we learned that we have to be others everything and I think who is esther parral a lot about how it's being in a marital relationship but probably just a monogamous relationship has never been so hard than it is now? Because is a long time ago the relationship had purpose and you served that purpose whether it was the right thing or not right we knew kind of what our role was and now because we have the freedom of choice to choose a person who we love. We Wanna be with I mean so many options in that what we have so many options in that and then we find this person who we love and we want them to not only be our partner in in solving life's challenges but we want them to be our best friend and the most erotic sexual partner that we've ever met and we want I want them to be The person we bounce intellectual thoughts off and who enjoys going to be skull game with us and he's going to be our financial financial accountant. Who's going to help your real estate agent? Yes yes who is like this. Every single area of life we expect them to fulfil fell and that is so much pressure to put onto another person in doesn't mean that you don't share those areas of life with them absolutely like not you know you of course will still share some aspects of friendship with them. Then you will share your sexual preferences with them in all of that but you also have to remember that it does not mean that someone doesn't love you if they want a night out with their friends sometimes yeah or if they enjoy going to see a show with somebody else other than you because that person gets it and they wanNA talk to that person. Listen about it and I hear so frequently. Am I work with couples. You know how hurt people feel when their partner does something without them asking. Yeah the rejection at such rejection. He you know an example would be. Maybe somebody saying. I don't understand you know they. Ah when they go out once a month but their friends and they never want to come along and that could be a red flag that it could also be that. That's just different outlet for them in their way and that they need that time with just their friends you know we've we've the toxic monogamy aspect of things has made us feel jealous about things that we might not otherwise feel jealous about. Yeah that it's like to be monogamous to be. Ah In a relationship means you guys everything together and then this person is like your number one priority. All of the time in every situation raid away which I think what is so interesting is when you start to become aware of that and then when you start to like try to unpack some of those feelings. It's a lot to ah deal with. And even you know in in a few weeks I'll be Heading back to Minneapolis to see my current partner and He's really the big he's In a start up and has this big Lake Demo Day thing where he's in pitching to investors at the end of the accelerator program would techstars and you no both his mom and his dad are going to be coming into town and she wants to make sure that he gets individual time with both of them and because of that my trip is really only going to be like three days as I could. I could feel left Dow and rejected and like I'm not enough. Because he doesn't want me to share that time with both his parents to and I think when people start to look at toxic monogamy or when they start to enter into consensual non monogamous relationships and are really forced to really have these conversations and do this kind of work. Start to unpack them. Those things where it's like. Yeah you know actually this is not about me any and not. Every part of my partner's life is going to be about me home. And letting that be okay and I think it brings up so many insecurities parties and Just anxiety and people really When I noticed that you know get triggered and myself I'm like okay I I was feeling really anxious about that? I gotta like sit back and unpack this for a second. Yeah and people who are in at the Klingon non monogamous relationships ups. They are able to see how wonderful it is that your partner would be loved by so many people. Yes nen that change in perspective even for me is just such a huge shift ray. Or you're talking about like your partner. Wants to be around their parents and you can either look at that as well. Then they don't love me enough or you can look at it as I'm so glad they have other people that love them I and WanNa be around them and that they wanNA share love with two and so I want them to be with their parents and I think that's such A. I'm so glad how'd you brought that up because I think that's huge. Yeah and I'm like maybe the parent example is an easier step for people to take and thinking about because there's not perhaps that like immediate sexual threat at least hopefully not Where if it's you know say with a female friend or a a male friend or whatever? Whatever of a friend that someone could be sexually attracted to her that danger and that threat and that insecurity is more triggered? Perhaps that is really really where a lot of the work comes in. And even the conversation of you know Heterosexual male female friendships amount of the trust. That is involved in that. But I think most people that I know and not you know in the research. I've done and whatnot with consensual non monogamous relationships that they really derive a lot of happiness from their partners happiness regardless if they are involved and it's really kind of like selfless love I think at least in my interpretation of it whereas I think what I find a more often with with with toxic monogamy not necessarily monogamy. But where it's very like the love is conditional additional in some ways than it is very very territorial and self-fulfilling in some ways. Because it's in a way filling voids that we have with this love. Am I making sense totally and I agree with you. One hundred hundred hundred ten percent. I think that like one of the things where it's it's just filling voids. If let's say the example you used where they're friends with someone that could be a sexual threat you know not not even based in knowledge that they could be a sexual frat but you're just kind of perceiving that I always like to say to people you know than explore that instead instead of restricting it because if you just say no. You're not allowed to be around so-and-so anymore because it makes me feel insecure and I'm feeling jealous or whatever that just gave me so many feelings just even hearing is that happens all the time and and it happens between fairly you know it happens between people who have fairly healthy relationships you then you like the example. I gave might sound a little abusive recieve. But there's even people who you look at like. Oh they're not abusive but they say those things to each other things like that have become. They seem much more normal to say they seem like well. Yeah no you shouldn't hang out with that girl because that makes me uncomfortable and so. I don't want you to do that and you can't do that. Exactly like Uh No like you know and I think people use monogamy as an example. You're not supposed to do that if you're in a relationship you're in a relationship with me thing is is that really prevents digging into. Why are you feeling insecure in that moment And if you're feeling insecure in that moment because there's something within can you. That's bringing that up. It would serve you much better to explore that like what has happened. That's made you feel like you're partners. Friendship with another person is threat to you. Now or you might find that exploration that there's some sort of hole in the relationship and that your concerns or that feeling of being threat like threatened by this other person are realistic but you need to have a conversation explore that rather than just restricting all of the things that make you uncomfortable because if you are being realistic if that friendship really is a threat to the relationship Asian ship in some way you're not going to prevent that person than from betraying you. You're just digging your head understand until it happens and the more that we are able to really explore are uncomfortable emotions instead of saying no that makes me feel bad and I don't WanNa let you do it I think I think the more that we understand ourselves in our relationships Totally and I think A space where people can do that kind of work in therapy. And here's another therapy plug exactly everyone needs therapy earthy zone. I'm like and this could be helpful to do in therapy. The power hour of using social media and podcasts to exactly people feel comfortable with therapy so important. Yeah that's been a huge part of my goal with the podcast every episode. I ask people on like so. Have you ever been to therapy therapy. Part of your healing journey. You know and it is always interesting into here like the differences in people's experiences then and their their reactions to it And I guess before we wrap up here. I haven't asked view yet before you went into the program was therapy ever a part of your emotional healing process. Before I went into the program I had never seen a therapist and then I saw therapists it almost as soon as I went into it And loved IT I. My grandfather died and so I went for grief therapy therapy and then I have gone to therapy off and on ever since and I've seen different types of therapists for different things you know I. Yeah therapist for a while to get over. That break-up that I talked about I saw a therapist before I had my baby. Maybe I saw an amazing therapist after I had my baby I've I've gone to therapy. I went to therapy when I was in New Orleans to get used you I have a big transition so I am a huge believer in therapy and it helps. It helps me to be. You're better in my personal life but also to be a better therapist I think definitely and and one thing. I think a lot of people don't know is that most programs cams When you go to school to become a therapist they do highly encourage and recommends and often help provide resources for you to also seek out counseling During the program and that it's not a negative thing. If you're therapist sees the therapists that is a really positive thing That therapists and therapists is I think Another way to just humanize People working in the profession. Yeah and I think it's really important for therapists to go to therapy. Even if there isn't anything significant going on because totally that's the only way you will learn what it really feels like to be. The person on the other side of the house is to sit there into to realize really how How moment feels can be in that space? It's a lie you know. I'm a therapist and I go into. It's my first sessions with therapists feeling nervous and Not Wanting to say too much or are seem like I'm being Weirdo. The I word vomit everywhere. I'm just like to leave and I'm like. Oh Yeah it's it's a really good thing to do and I'll never forget Like right before the show started. Airing Jimmy. Kimmel emel does like a debrief of some of the contestants and whatnot and He saw my profession. You know mental health counselor and made the comment of all like the the mental health counselor going on this show. Sounds like she needs a mental health counselor and it was Blake eight when people say stuff like that yes it like. I wish I could go back in time. Him and could have made it a moment to point this whole concept out because they think you know it comes up so frequently anytime like a therapist shows does being human or being judged negatively for something in their personal lives if this saying gets thrown at us and it's just like oh I could I could break it apart it's so unhealthy and I think it shows such a toxic way of viewing therapy And people that go to therapy therapy and of therapists. So it's there's so many in like my all time favorite is when people in your personal life say stop me or aren't you better just a human being. Yeah Yeah my favorite is when that comes up in relationships relationships it's a fine balance Might even had some my actors like parents like moms be like you know. Use the gifts that you have and I'd just so so many thoughts on this around like I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't yes. Yes exactly yeah exactly. Yeah like you said we're we're just human. We are just human beings like everybody else the unfortunately wrapped up by if people WANNA find drain. No we've already listed a few of your accounts by if you want to share with people kind of how they could find you follow you reach out to you after listening to this episode. Yes so if you are a therapist anyone tips on and opening a practice or just advocating for yourself in the field. I have an instagram account. Called at modern therapy practice that you can follow me on I. I post about relationship tips and all sorts of stuff on my atlas listens account so you can follow me there as well. My practice has an instagram which I actually luckily luckily do not run by assistant run side but it got to be so helpful so helpful but it has she puts really great Relationship quotes up every day. And I just love what she posed an. That's added better life therapy so you can find me on any of those locations. If you're not on instagram you can find find me on my website at a better life. Therapy Dot Com and you can contact me that way awesome and you're in Philly area correct. I am in Philly. Yes practices in center city Philadelphia. Awesome I still haven't gone back to east coast in like years and really yeah I. It's been like eight years in Baltimore and I've been wanting to go back so badly by wow family in South Jersey which is like thirty minutes from Philly and I. It grew up in Maryland so in Baltimore and everything so Well you need to come back I now I know I do. Maybe we'll be able to recording in person one of these. Yes well thank you so much again for coming on and for everyone listening you can find live in the episode notes description To go and follow those accounts and Checker out and just thank you so much for your time today thank you. It was so fun to talk to you all right and thank you guys so much for making it all the way through this episode. I really hope that you enjoyed this I I have. I wish we could keep going. 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#580 Senator Marco Rubio on the Paycheck Protection Program For Small Businesses

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#580 Senator Marco Rubio on the Paycheck Protection Program For Small Businesses

"Get ready for all the craziness of small business. It's exactly that craziness that makes it exciting and totally unbelievable small business radio is now on the air with your host. Thanks for joining this week's radio show remember. This is your final word in small business for those keeping track vis is now incredibly show number five hundred eighty this episodes provided by next EVA. The all in one communications platform for your small business. It's also sponsored by linked in. It's the place to generate leads drive traffic and build brand awareness for a free one hundred dollars credit to launch your campaign go to www dot lincoln dot com slash. Sb are were also sponsored by visa. All you need to run your business in one software. Try for free at. Www dot V. SITA DOT com. That's V C. I T A DOT COM and use berry ten for exclusive discount. Well there are plenty of people out there that are really good at making money but not really great at investing it. Financial Literacy in this country is low because people believe that millennials have no idea an invest money in the long term especially with the recent financial downturn here to help is Tim Sykes. Who's the CEO of millionaire media and author of the Bestselling Book An American Hedge Fund At age twenty two? Tim became a self made millionaire when he turned his Bar Mitzvah gift. Money of twelve thousand dollars into one point. Six five million short-selling penny stocks while studying at Tulane University. He Magic Head. Shaven for four years before entering the financial education industry. Tem welcome to the show. Thank you for having me so let me get to stray. You took your Bar Mitzvah money and you invest it in the market. What did your mother think of? That thought that I would actually lose it all. They gave me control that it would be a good lesson lesson by making millions of dollars. Well I guess it was a good lesson right. It was a different kind of lesson. I choose this lesson over her lesson so but she she never let me forget that you know it was supposed to teach me the value of a dollar not spoil me like it. Did you know it's really interesting because my my younger son is very much into investing in the market and things like that and I and I'm trying to teach him that it's a good thing to learn those things. Why is financial literacy especially among millennials and Gen Z? Y? Is it's so weak. Probably because you know the best investments the best trades take a long time to research You don't get that instinct gratification. That a lot of younger people get on social media even though this is far more important Over the course of your life so we have to try to you know motivate people to actually want to learn and teach them patients. Because you know you think we should have your money working for you. Even while you're doing something else should be working in the background but you have to put in a time to actually study and figure it out. I you know it's interesting because I think you know when I was doing a live this back in you know one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I thought I was a freaking genius and I think a lot of people until recently over the last ten years during the market recovery thought they were freaking. Genius is too right. I mean you always think you're very smart when you're making money and then you know just the last week alone where the markets are down ten fifteen percents You know that that kind of helps people realize wait a minute. Maybe we didn't really understand valuation and risk management So I think the past two years have been underperforming did very conservative But now you know I make it all back Returns over time especially with the past week. It's been a fantastic week For My students and I think it's mainly short sale So we've been short-selling very nicely this week. You know and people have to understand when the tide comes in all boats rise and so. What can millennials really do to really invest in the long game? Because that's what people really have to understand. It's interesting because now as I've gotten older I've got shorter and shorter period time to invest so. I become more conservative but people that have the next thirty or forty years to invest. Where should their financial education? Tim Actually Start. Yeah I mean. I think that you don't necessarily just have to invest in. They blue chip companies like people. Think and maybe you'll become a millionaire thirty forty fifty years from now I think you have to have a little historical perspective and realize that you know the past decade. The past two decades have been phenomenal for investors in the next decade. Might not be so much so you have to start thinking about the risks and you know just as this one corona virus exposed. I mean we are at all time. Highs in one virus can really take us down And expose the whole system and probably overvaluation so I would encourage people You know especially the younger generation to look on Youtube. I mean I have over a thousand videos on Youtube. But just start like googling around different financial terms you can really become financially literate by putting in the time but sadly most people don't use youtube for that purpose you know. They're watching cat videos or like new music videos using tick tock so I would encourage people to use social media more but really you know. Brush up your financial skills and focus on education rather than just entertainment. Yeah it's not all puppies and rainbows right. That's the problem like you said. Like a rising tide lifts all boats but three hundred four of the market so right now when the markets are going down I mean even gigantic companies like Disney down fifteen twenty percent in the past few days. Don't think that that's possible until it actually happens and then you start realizing wait a minute. If there's a virus people might not want to go to Disney to these crowded places where you have higher risk of getting infected so you have to start thinking outside the box and you know the one thing that millennials and younger people really have is that you know. They don't know what they don't know so it's not just about ps and you know proper valuations. You might start investing in different technologies that have greater upside and they might not have proper valuation right now like I mean just like zoom technologies or you know Slack is another technology company. That a lot of small businesses are using. These are upstarts You know not quite really blue chips yet but they could be so I would encourage people to start thinking about different kinds of technologies that are changing the world facebook instagram. For a billion dollars when it had no revenue everyone made fun of the deal but now instagram. You know it was worth anywhere between fifty and one hundred billion and it turned out to be a great deal. It's not just about revenue right now. The world is changing so fast. You can invest in future technology so so talking about media you're also on the TV show Wall Street warriors. Tell us about that experience. You know I. I don't know if you can tell but I kind of have a big mouth. I like to talk about what I do. I sit in front of a computer all the time. So it's good to get out so I was on the TV show Just showing my kind of crazy life. You know when you turn a few thousand dollars in several million and you grew up in a small town in Connecticut. Now you can travel the world You know life is pretty exciting. So a camera crew following me around for a few weeks. And just kinda documented my my wildlife Outside of the markets. You know it's it's good to make a lot of money. It's not just about money and in growing your bank account. It's about what it can do and you know. I'm very fortunate enough to travel all over the world and you know meet some pretty incredible people and we filmed it and it turned out to be a hit. And it's a win. Was that on Tim. What episodes we'd be looking for? This was decade ago. Airing it keeps popping up I was also on the TV show below deck on Bravo. Where you know you you charter a on that that so I brought some of my top students actually made like seventy thousand dollars with three cameras in my face but they didn't show the trade. They just showed me. You know acting all cocky afterwards. So cocky eight hundred trade right. There's ups and downs with reality shows. You have to accept that. But it's fun so tim we're possibly at the end of a ten year bull cycle. What is your recommendation for? Not only millennials. More PEOPLE TODAY. Yeah just realizing that. Cashes and asset Gold is an asset. Like everyone thinks they have to be invested in stocks have to be invested in real estate but if the stock market's GonNa draw ten twenty thirty percents real estate. You don't WanNa be anywhere in that Mitch. So really start thinking outside the box like you know. I'm very liquid right now Even consider maybe some cryptocurrencies. I know they're speculative but bitcoin has actually held his gains pretty well so start just diversifying cash into bitcoin into gold and start thinking outside the box. That is the key because not enough people do it and so when you say outside the box are you for your shortsellers. So you're you're expecting things to go down right. So what would you go long? I'm I'm just MORE NIMBLE ICING SING. And that's why. I really like cash because you know what is this corona virus. God forbid. I hope it doesn't really go everywhere. But what if it does and then you have a fifty percent stock market drop and all the people who are just buying hold and they're down fifty percent versus people who were just moved to cash just in case now they can dip by everything fifty percent off right so you just don't really know what direction it's really going to take. What is your forecast? What are you if you look into your Crystal Ball Tim? What do you think's going to happen? I mean I think that we've already had a ten fifteen percent correction so most likely where we're near the bottom Maybe another five percents ago but I mean this is also I mean. Viruses are very unpredictable. We don't know how much it's actually going to spread. I mean the. The Taliban rated is not as dangerous as Bulla. But people are just staying home just so they don't catch it in. That's wrecking the global economy So it's it's tough to judge how far the virus will go on until this. We really thought that it was contained mainly in Asia so I don't WanNa say that it's definitely over but it's looking closer to the bottom and before and so. I started thinking about water. Some potential did is like I am looking at Disney because Disney's a strong company and I don't mind it by you know a nice twenty five percent off it. You know it's interesting you know it's interesting to me because I'm not even sure where we are with the virus because I just really learned that we especially in the United States. We're not relieving testing people right so we've tested like five hundred something people right. We've tested them like five or seven people. We've have fifteen cases but over in the South Korea. They've tested like sixty five thousand people and that's the thing like China as bad as it was. They did a fantastic job walking down like literally hundreds of millions of people in our society in Europe. Like we just can't do that and that's why it's spreading Italy. That's why you know it's scary that there was a you know a flight attendant and she flew several flights and they were one hundred two hundred passengers on each flight so it's very scary And you know again. This is why you know. What do I see my crystal ball? I see cash is Houston liquid. You don't need to you know. Try to be a hero right now. You can just wait it out and if it does get really bad you know you'll have some nice Investment Opportunities. That's the one upside. Uh something that's very bad but All of a sudden the global economy is looking very very shaky so this is not the time to be aggressive yet. It's interesting one of my new Conspiracy theories about the government is that we're not testing people so they can't say more cases in the United States and so we can say there are only fifteen so who knows very possible. You know some people might think they're just have a cold. They have the flu and they don't know that this new you know virus so they're probably infecting other people. I mean this is out of everything I mean. Bill Gates said this years ago in his speech. He's out of all the scariest things you know. A pandemic some virus. That JUST GETS OUT OF CONTROL. Would be the scariest thing. The one good thing with this virus that it has rather low fatality rate. So even if you get it it's not the end of the world but it's scary to think about and again the the biggest risk right now for the global economy is just people staying home exactly going to the movies not going to starbucks not going to school. Not going to the balls. And that's you know that's the global economy. Exactly there's a flew in from l. a. The other day and there's a Chinese gentleman sending in the chair next to me and I think it says Amigos you don't have to be afraid of me. I haven't been back to China and a year all my God so sad so last question to ask you. Tim Was Bar Mitzvah. Boys are listening to your advice everywhere. Now what you say. Hey they should take their ten thousand dollars which they invested in. They should invest in their education. I read probably three or movies and four hundred books As I was trading I mean I got started in nineteen ninety nine two thousand very lucky in the right place right time but I made my second and third million short selling as everything else was crashing and I only learn- short-selling because I read several books on that so you know really stock up. Get everything you can on Amazon and again even if you don't want to spend money on your education now you can just use youtube with the podcast like yours Listen to radio stations like listen to literally whatever information you can and not necessarily like following. Everyone's tips but more just trying to learn how the financial system works and where you know. There's some opportunity. Some people like Dick. Buying some people like long term investing. Some people like Bitcoin You have to find. What is Your Comfort Zone? But you don't find that right away so I tell everyone especially younger people to think themselves like scientists and just test test test different formulas and. There's no one magic formula for everybody but you start feeling what you have a knack for Just moon snail putting in the time in experiment. Well if you WANNA get in touch with Tim you can go to Timothy. Sykes DOT COM. It's T. I M. O. T. H. Y. S. Y. K. E. S. dot com. Tim thanks so much me on the show. 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The formula is p times p. e. equals p where people multiplied by process means. More profit. Learn how you can take a quantum leap in just one hundred eighty days to grow the prophet in Your Business Contact Berry at malts dot com. Stick around to get your small business unstuck more small business radio with Berry Moles now on W. Cpt Chicago's Progressive Talk. A lot of small businesses are taking the brunt of this economic shutdown. They're laying people off by the hundreds of thousands in some cases. They're losing their life savings with businesses close but the federal government passed a two trillion dollar assistance program last week with billions allocate to small business. Here talk about the programs. The federal government has helped small businesses. Is Senator Marco Rubio from Florida? Who's the chairman of the Committee on Small Business Entrepreneurship? First of all senator. Thanks for joining us. Show and how are you and your family doing during this crisis? We're all thank. You weren't doing fine where everyone's working from home and trying to get the word out as much as we can. Thank you for having insuring. But now everyone listening and and following all the experts I hope so most small business owners as you know are really suffering and they think that this two trillion dollar package is a good start but there's a lot of confusion out there as where small businesses should really start. Where do you think they really should begin in getting assistance? If they're looking for their small business well I'm GonNa tell you. Theoretically and ideally were easiest entry program and that is a bank that you already have a relationship with. Let me explain to you how it works. small business that qualifies. Meaning you may you either meet the SBA guidelines for small business or you have five hundred employees or less. It's not it's either or You go to a lender that lender be able to afford to you a grant and the amount of two hundred and fifty percent of your monthly payroll Before the crisis and before you were forced to close down or before everything started closing down and as long as you spend that money on payroll benefits rent or utilities. Those as long as you spend on a combination of those things. You won't have to pay any of it back if you decide to spend on for a different purpose it turns a year from now it turns. It doesn't become a loan into a year from now a year. From now on the books close it turns into a one percent loan I say the ideal place to go is is the bank. You already have a relationship rates. Because they've already when they opened the account. Are they already confirmed? Your Business Status already confirmed that you're a real business with a real employment identification number and so forth and And they also if you're operating accounts with them have great Have instant insight into your payroll and what it is you pay people and what it is you spend on that expense so that that. I think is going to be the fastest way for most people although there's over eight hundred banks that are preapproved to start immediately and And so hopefully people are already in that process that started yesterday on on on Friday yesterday. So we are. We hope that that process will Accelerate here and the banks will do everything possible to save their clients on their business. Will the application I looked at seems really Senate simple senator? It seems like you just gotTa Fill your name in your tax. Id Number what your payroll is what you need the money. Do you think banks going to be asking for a typical information like tax returns and personal financial statements. Now there's no reason to and in fact they're they're they're not supposed to because there's there's the banks have no skin in the game they're being paid a fee a five percent Too Long Up to three fifty and then it scales down all the way to one percents of the larger ones. They're being paid a fee to basically process paper because it's one hundred percent guaranteed by the federal government There is a They have a guaranteed buyer. If they decide they don't WANNA hold it will turns into a loan and they don't WanNa hold it so they're really they're they don't even have liability if mislead on on your form so Bottom line is the banks are basically just being used as a distribution point and being paid a fee to do it by the government so that there is no credit check. There is no underwriting. There is none of the things. Come down because this is not designed to be alone in fact the only reason why. There's a long Parisian on the back end of it is because we wanna make sure that as much of that money as possible is being spent on payroll that's why it's called the payroll protection paycheck protection program manager standing that you want seventy five percent to be spent on payroll right. Yeah theoretically obviously people could spend more but we want them to at least maintain the payroll possible now. Look there may be some instances in which you can't do that right. You can't find people to work. You're in an owner or people even if you're even if you ask them not to work you can't find people are put on payroll you're not gonna go out and find a perfect stranger that's never worked before and put him on payroll and that's why there are provisions in this on the back end mitigation so as an example. Let's say that you in the Middle East crisis tried to hire ten of choice but you can only get six of them back. The other four were gone. And you'RE NOT GONNA go out and pay some four strangers at our networks are you before A paycheck you don't even know if there are any good and but six four months five months later when things got back to normal you went ahead and hired for people You'll be able to at the end. Show that and say look. We tried to hire people. We couldn't find good. We hire most of them back but not all of them and there's an opportunity to for them to basically say all right. What will will forgive that because we understand you made real good efforts and so there's a provision in the bill for that as well cinema this brings up a really good point because a lot of small business owners asking what happens if I've already closed my business down you know. I run a SPA. I run a bowling alley. Can I still get this loan forgiveness later? It seems like you can you can and you can. Also by the way. Go back to the people you laid off and say look. I know you've been off to two weeks. I'd like to pay you for the two weeks that I laid you off or I'd like to hire you and pay you on to have you on board so that when we start your here and that's why we think many small businesses would love to be able to pay their employees. They had the money in the bank. They don't want to let their employees but they don't have the cash it depends on the industry you know there are a lot of people out there for example that might run a restaurant where you're allowed to run take out but you're not allowed to have in dining well you can't really keep your the revenues for takeout don't make sense to justify a full payroll but now with this place You might be able to bring some people back and pay them their salaries you were paying them before. And there's also by the way unrelated to the paycheck protection program but complementary to it. There's a new tax credit right that you will receive at the end of the year For whatever monies you spend on payroll so there's another incentive as well so when things get back to normal so we've tried to create a mini incentives as possible because it's good for the worker but frankly it's also good for the small business you know it's going to be tougher. Small business to shut down. Imagine the restaurant again and all of a sudden you have to go out and hire a bunch of New People that you've never worked with before you have to train from scratch that there's startup impediment. There could cook prohibit you from starting. That's really prohibit a lot of people from starting so so we wanted to address that as well. So how soon do you? You hope that the money will start flowing to small businesses. Once they've applied to the bank will frankly theoretically okay now. Every banks can have different procedures but theoretically it should be able to flow immediately. And let's say that I'm a small business. Ten employees and I have an account with the small business division of a local bank or one of the national banks. They've already confirmed that. I'm an employer domin employer. They already did all that due diligence. Today they open my account. They already know what my payroll is. I may even be using the services they provide. There are a bunch of these banks provide payroll services for Small Businesses. So for them. The confirmation is instant and by the way the banks get a wrong. They're not gonNA be held liable their health harmless to that so really. There's no reason why they couldn't immediately dispersed those funds into that account Now I can't speak for every bank and with every banks going to follow that procedure. You know what I'm increasingly comfortable with. Is that the banks particularly the bigger national ones but a lot of the community ones are going to take care of their customers of their depositors. What I'm more concerned about our what happens to the people in the small businesses that either have a banking relationship with a bank that That that that doesn't participate. And that's why there was a practice of bringing additional banks into the x and what happens to those small businesses and and independent contractors who are covered by this ten ninety nine employs who may not have a regular banking arrangement. There are people that don't use the banking system from the way they conduct their business. So you know that remains to be seen but Th- that's the one. I'm more concerned about and that's why we're trying to Treasury is doing everything possible to create an alternative ramp for additional financial servicers to to to be a part of this. If you are a sole proprietor or your independent contractor in your Gig economy can you still take advantage of this program correct and they they will begin? Applications for sole proprietors will begin April tent Which is Six days from now and and and the rationale for that is They they need to create. There's we've never done that before. So they need to create a new set of forms and guidelines. For how we're going to verify aero for in those situations but the goal here is wallace to understand the nature of our economy. You know the guy that cleans your pool the guys do your landscaping people who drive a new or these folks is kind of a new dynamic in our economy that has really taken off in the last decade. And so it's GonNa take just a little bit more work to sort of create the parameters that now that doesn't mean sole proprietor. You know there are sole proprietors who are escorts and the only employees Things of that nature. They would be treated as a that that they would. They would be treated as a business concern. We're talking about people that work on the ten ninety nine basis you know and and may not necessarily be incorporated in any way But but worked for themselves and and can show some record and that's what they're creating so that that will begin to six days and for now Friday April tenth. Now my understanding is that is part of your payroll people that get paid over one hundred thousand dollars. Don't qualify the first one hundred thousand dollars to do so only up to one hundred. Yes the first one hundred dollars the first hundred thousand dollars. So if you haven't employed that makes hundred sixty you you you can pay up to the you can pay him what you want say theoretically but but when calculate what your monthly payroll is salaries over one hundred thousand dollars they will only Take the first one hundred thousand dollars into account when determining your eligibility so I asked listeners of the program to send in questions they knew it was going to interview so I got a couple of questions I want to ask you. One comes from Chris Keith. He said that with almost ten million Americans filing unemployment last couple of weeks. Do you foresee US doing something? Like Canada. Did with covering more costs or France with his estates were payments to Americans. American business owners. Well I think that that that really is would have to be part of a whatever we're GONNA do to recover from this and I tell people and we have some experience with this. Unfortunately because the natural disasters hurricanes one of the keys is the first phase in all this is the is the The acute phase. You know the the the what we're in right now. That's the midst of the emergency. And how can we provide people assistance in the middle of the emergency and in the immediate aftermath? The second phase after any disaster is always the recovery. And what are the monies needed to recover? What are the programs that are needed to recover and so I think it's going to be very difficult right now to speculate entirely on? What all the recovery efforts are going to have to be because I think I forgot to take a damage assessment but I think you know given what we've already done a lot of options octave and I think one of the things that gives us confidence and I would separate people compare this to two thousand seven two thousand eight and even two thousand and one. There's a big difference between two thousand seventeen thousand eight and right now in two thousand seven two thousand eight. We had a sector of our economy that make bad. Decisions almost collapsed the economy with him and asked to be saved because of their bad decisions. In this case. We're talking about businesses that were doing very well Or well that revived brandon. There were viable and the government told them you cannot open you cannot function you cannot service your clients customers. Your employees can't commend. You can't operate and so we have basically ordered Business America to shut down. And so that's a very different situation from from what we've had four and the truth of the matter is if we if we go through this crisis and collapse our economy on top of it. We're not going to be able to recover. We're not GONNA be able to do some of the basic things that we're going to need maybe aftermath of this and so that's why I think a lot of options on the table and I noticed thinking already going on but we're GONNA have to wait and see and have a full assessment of what this means but I do anticipate additional release Will follow this at some point question. The Franklin Koch Ask is that you really envision wants to reactivate the economy some kind of FDR approach with the new deal where we actually put people back to work creating things or infrastructure and the government or out there in the world but look I think infrastructure spending as a jobs program is always a difficult prospect. Take into account. It's a very specialized industry. We need infrastructure spending in this country and right now we do it by borrowing money basically for free so it gives the opportunity to pay for tomorrow's projects at today's prices right. So if you allow me to pay for something that cost a lot of money in the future for less money today that makes a lot of sense And so I think that is going to be a part of something that we do But but I don't I also think that this is an economy that has long sectors. That won't do it well. And that will be given. The appropriate support can go back to doing well. Future that lead up. This is different from the depression. This is different from other areas in which you had some major structural issues in the economy that created the downturn. The downturn here is entirely because the government mandates the government's basically timetable. Don't travel don't go out to eat. Don't go shopping. Don't go to work so everything stops and I think the minute you list the breaks it's not going to automatically go back to the way it was but I think you're gonNA have a lot of economic activity which you don't normally get when you're in the midst of a depression. Those businesses are there and we're just trying to keep them alive so there's something to restart I think we're all hoping for that. V-shaped recovery the final question. I WANNA ask you senator. Rubio is what's your overall message for small business during this historically tough time. I would say to them number one. They're going to be a big part of this covering cut country recovering. And it's the reason why you saw so much. Bipartisan support for this program because everybody recognizes that when you look at the just the sheer volume of jobs and the sheer number of firms. In this country that qualify small businesses they represent a vast majority and And so we can't have an economic recovery that leaves behind. I envy percent of our companies and sixty percent or so jobs and everyone recognizes that the difficulties they face right now are extraordinary and unprecedented and And they don't have. I told her I was fighting on behalf of the people who don't have lines of credit that they can draw down on for thirty days. I'm talking about people that have bank accounts they can draw on for six days. You know who basically or cash in cash out every week whose hopes and dreams have been tied to these businesses and the message. I have for them. As extraordinary bipartisan support. For the industry we had no issue whatsoever. Garnering support to help them in this effort and I don't think we're going to have an issue from a partisan perspective garnering support for them in the future of. We need to do more. This is our attempt our first attempt to do something just to help you. Keep your head above water but died. I know we need to do more. We all know we need to do more. And we're prepared to do more but when the time comes we'll send a very well. Thank you so much for helping small business owners during this very difficult time. I know we'll get through this together. Yes Sir thank you so much for having me. Thank you are you stuck? Is this year you finally grow? Your Business and make more money? During varies. Many years of running his own company he had to deal with the challenges of business just wasn't going anywhere. It was painful. Realization is business flatlined and he had no idea how to breed more life into it was especially difficult for Berry since his customers. Were not getting the service. He was so passionate about delivering second. He wasn't making any money. Finally his business with sucking the life out of him do any of these sound familiar. Your sales won't budge. In spite of your best efforts you have few new leads for customers. Coming in an existing customers are fading away. You're burned out completely exhausted. It's no longer fun and your family suffers as well if you're one of the millions of small business owners facing these problems every year. Berry has the answer. Check OUT BERRY MOLDS DOT COM slash unstuck to subscribe to his six part video series. That's Berry malts. Mo L. T. Z. dot com slash. Unstuck you've already upgraded your cell phone to a smart device which let's use the Internet to be more productive on the go but what about your desk phone next. Steve is a smart business phone system in the cloud with a simple setup through an internet connection. You can soon have access to your office. Communications wherever you are stay. Seamlessly connected with clients and stay more mobile than ever before with just one low monthly cost. Give Your Business More than just a basic desk phone visit next. Tiba DOT COM or call. Eight hundred seven nine nine zero six hundred to learn more today next. Tiba Simplifying Your Business. Communications with various twenty-five years in small business is finally discovered the magic formula to make more profit at any company business gurus make. It seem so complicated but it is really simple. The formula is p times p equals p where people multiply processed means. More profit. Learn how you can take a quantum leap in just one hundred eighty days to grow the prophet in Your Business Contact Berry at malts dot com. Stick around to get your small business unstuck more small business radio with Berry Moles now on W. Cpt h twenty Chicago's Progressive Talk. Well with so many people working remotely now. What does the future of meetings actually look like to help is cory TRAF- aletty? Who's a successful marketer? Author Osborne Student of Popular Culture with a deep background dating back to nine Hundred Ninety. Four and digital marketing. He's currently the global head of marketing for CISCO'S WEBEX CORY. Welcome to the show. Hi How are you? I'm good so meetings used to be people sitting in the same room across each other right. But that's that's change now. Has You know people are having to collaborate from longer distances. Companies are hiring the best people no matter where they work or even at what time they work in the day. So you have to be able to figure out how to get these distributed teams working together and that's kind of thing that we're looking at these days but but for me being kind of like old school. It was hard to get used to meeting with new technology whether it be visually. The it's interesting because I remember when I went to the sixty four world's fair which is really longtime ago. It's like the first time they tested out like video phone and I think it took like fifty years for people actually use it. It is different having a meeting over the web isn't it is certainly is a little bit different. I think what you you have to keep in mind that there was a big middle ground where people were doing. A lot of meetings over the phone and over the phone is a very impersonal environment. And then they were relying on email. Communications an email has no tone etc. You can't understand body language when you're talking to somebody on email or on the phone but with the advent of video you can see people again. You can have that human connection you can look somebody in the eye when you're talking to him even though you're not in the same room it gives the ability to have that better connection to people. I think were they. Were just lacking where they're doing. So many conference calls and meeting calls over the phone for the last twenty years. Yeah I mean it's you know sometimes conference call was no name for just checking out right. People would be on the phone having a conference call. But they'd have you on mute and they'd be really doing something else. It's a lot harder to do that when you're visually the cameras on you. Yeah you people cannot multitask when they're being looked at in the same thing if you're in a room now that being said if you go into a lot of corporate environments these days you'll see people walk into room immediately opened up their computer and even though they're in the room they're not really paying attention and I think what we're trying to do is across the board not just us but everybody. I think we're trying to get people to really be present. You know you are in a room with somebody and you're talking with them. You're engaging with them you're collaborating with and you can be significantly more productive than you ever possibly could have been multitasking. And that means you can have probably a shorter meeting and get more done. If you're focused so video calls is a way to do that. Look me in the eye. Let's have a conversation and make that time productive. It's really great. You put it that way. Because I've never heard anybody actually say that because really if you you really fight what you're fighting against video calls. I know so. Many people don't want to do video calls because they really don't want to be present at the meeting they wanna be something else and kind of half listening so they fight against having video call. Yeah definitely a lot of people do that. I think we're seeing this this transformation of the workplace where people are starting to say. I've got all these pieces of technology. I'm GONNA use them. I'm going to use them to my advantage and I think it has been something that's really been pushed by the individuals. I feel individuals have curated their own technology stack. They're using tools from messaging. They're using tools or video card thing and now you're seeing the companies. Ask their employees. What tools do you use? 'cause WE'RE GONNA adopt those and that's more of a groundswell that's more of a grassroots movement if you will that companies are starting to adopt. And that's really where the future workers going. That's the transformation of the workplace. And I think people are on with that. So what are the best tools out there for people working remotely and WanNa have collaboration and meetings? Well Not GonNa tell you. Have we have all these? If there's probably three big buckets the first is you want to be a calling why you can quickly easily pull somebody online. You can look at it and you can tell them you want to be able to engage with them stuff. The first component the second component is you want some kind of messaging APP the ability to have off line of communications where you can quickly send ideas to somebody. You can send notes. You can forward articles you can Send some ideas and you can have them boxed into messaging Messaging categories groups based on a certain topic which allows you to organize your thoughts better and then the third thing is really document sharing you want some ability some tool or you can send documents and you can have those the work on collaboratively based in the cloud as all. These tools are specifically with document sharing. If you're in the cloud you have multiple people working on and editing document at the same time and you can see what other people are doing. If you've got those three things in your architecture for your own personal work you're probably going to be a lot more productive in a remote work environment. It's interesting corey. How you put those things in the three buckets because it really is about collaborating but in different ways each tool is a different type of collaboration and people do collaborate in different ways. Sometimes it's through meetings but sometimes it's through updating documents. Sometimes it's just by messing each other very quickly and then there's also another one you have to think about which kind of fits in there but a lot of times when you're in an office space and you're in a work environment. Collaboration happens when you're walking through the hallway. You bump into somebody and say hey. Did you hear about ex wires and then you have a really off the cuff conversation. That's really what the messaging APPs enable you to do is where you have an inspiration for an idea. You share that inspiration and it's not something that's so intrusive that has to be dealt with right then and there you can it on your own time but it's still there and it's still accessible for you and so you have. These tools. Weird is a I play into increasing someone's productivity and small business and that's a great question is everywhere You and I. We already run into a all day because when you have your music recommendations near recommendations on Amazon and all those things there's a I in your life already now we're seeing a I work itself into the workforce and on a couple of different ways on our platforms. First of all when you're on a video conference the I will understand who is speaking and put their name on the screen. Just in case maybe you don't know the people personally but you always know who's having that part of the conversation who's leading that idea so that's one key thing the other thing which I think is great is really really important is having an assistant. So we've launched one. We did it through an acquisition company where I came from and there's certainly other ones that are out there but the idea of having an. As take notes for you in the meetings it listened to transcribe the entire conversation. It extracts the meeting for moments based on trigger words and Voice commands like an Alexa device does and then after the meeting. Those notes are summarized and sent to the people who were in the meeting as well as anybody else you wanted to have. There was no it's being sent to so all. The key components of a conversation are there and easily accessible for anybody. You know it's interesting. You mentioned the whole idea of. Who's talking? I find that incredibly helpful when I'm having a video a video conference call. Because it's you know if you have like two or three or four people you really can't tell who's mouth is moving but it puts it puts that person on the screener puts their who it is up there. That's incredibly important. The notes thing is not something that a lot of people are using. Why is that? Our people afraid that their conversations are being recorded or folks know about it. Honestly it's brand new We had launched a company doing this about two years ago. And then what Exton Cisco acquired that business just rolling it out now so it's brand new to the market. This is something that pretty much. No other web conferencing and videoconferencing platform has and so people are just starting to become familiar with the concept. I can tell you from my past experience that when we started to promote the idea and get it out there. We have thousands of people a day signing up for that product. Because it's such a game changer. The ability to once again as I was mentioning before. Look somebody somebody in the eye. Focus on the conversation and not have to look down and say hold on. Can you repeat it? Repeat that because I wanNa make sure I jotted that down. You never have to do that again. You know with confidence that those ideas are captured. And you can focus on moving the conversation forward. Yeah it's kind of like going on a vacation in focusing so much taking pictures of your favorite places you can remember that you actually miss the places. Probably the worst time when you go to a concert. Everybody's looking at their phone recording concert. Just be at the concert absolutely. Are there any statistics out there about how video conferencing and all of these kind of APPs of really grown over the last decade? There's definitely stuff out there. I mean I can tell you that on a regular basis we see almost a doubling affect of people joining video conference calls verses say conference calls in the past that were just audio based and so there's a lot of numbers and statistics out there. I probably wouldn't be able to share top of my head but I can tell you that of say fortune. Five hundred companies. One hundred percent of those people have video conferencing all over the place. They're trying to figure out ways to provide their workers with the ability to work remote to work flexible hours video. Conferencing is probably the most important tool for that. You know it's interesting to me because I think that my generation which is really boomers we fought for a long time in when we have a call to visually see the other person. But the millennials. They don't really have phone calls anymore. They're all doing everything visually right. So the eight hundred if they're just on their phones they're doing it through facetime or something like that. They're not just calling on the phone. Yeah no they'd Never Dad. Generation typically likes video and they like messaging so to those three things. I just mentioned a couple of minutes ago. Those are the primary ways. They communicate so they've went right past. They bypass the entire audio communities. Standard Conference calls which is Great. Because you know 'cause they're horrible anyway you know it's interesting because we can't really minimize how important visual is when you're communicating right because you're working remotely with people if you can actually see them on the screen that's very important but it's also spawned a whole different generation quarry of all those light rings because I know in my Home Office my lightings horrible but if I put up the light rain people can really see me. It's funny it's funny. You say that because you're right lighting is definitely important. People do care. And they take pride in their appearance and they're on a video people backdrops and it's been behind them a lot of the tools even the tools that we have we'll artificially create a backdrop for you so looks like you're in an office environment exactly in your messy death but I think it's also really really it's interesting to see how people portray themselves in that environment for sure. It was funny because when when video comforting I came out I had a friend. Actually create this this shirt. You could put over yourself which had a tie and a white shirt and it was just like a button thing. So when you're on screen you could do. You could kind of rip it off but now you know people I think are a little bit more casual with which I think is good because it shows anticipate does it makes you very very genuine and to the point. You're mentioning just a second ago. I feel like there is a lost art of understanding body language because I think people were so resistant video for a little while now. They've jumped on that bandwagon. They're definitely engaged and I think it's coming back. People are starting to understand body language but I will say body. Language sitting at a desk is so significantly different than body language sitting in a room. And I think that's something that's a skill that people are going to have to learn. So why do people use your tool over some of the other tools out there that perhaps are free like zoom? So it's a it's a good question There's also misconception that question. We offer a free version as well so there is a free version that you can sign up with Webex. And it's the same basic parameters as many of the other competitors but overall in general the Webex offering is actually better because it has higher audio quality higher video quality and it's also more secure platform all of the Processing and all of the information stays within Cisco and is all within Cisco's double encrypted systems where a lot of those other platforms they. Send your information out to third parties for transcription. They send it out to third parties for other tools and other methods so it's the highest most secure platform in addition to having the best audio and video quality. So what does webex costs for a small business owner? If I want to get started with it so you can start out with the premium version and you can be working with that for as long as you want for up to about fifty participants but at the low end. It's about fifteen dollars. A month doesn't cost nothing that you can scale now and you can scale very quickly and easily to meet your needs and one of the other things that's really interesting for businesses of the idea that if you're gonNA start scale we can scale with you. We have interim devices and we have all kinds of things that you can use that the interoperability those and how they work together with the Webex system is completely see. What so you can walk into a room and in the screen will turn on and they'll invite you back into the meeting. You were just in on your phone so those are really really cool elements about Webex. People understand that it's well worth the investment because I always say what is it worth. You have a really effective call with a key. Customer key employees fifteen bucks. You can't put a price on it absolutely not and by the way it's way cheaper than buying an airplane exactly everybody and these days a lot safer. Yeah certainly. There's a lot of concerns about different viruses up so we just WanNa make sure that people are are staying on Online and talking to people and being off again so corey. Where can people get in touch with you and learn more about Webex so if you WanNa hit me up on twitter? C Traf- C. T. R. E. W. S. Frank. That's a great way to reach me. You can also reach linked in as well core. Thanks for joining shown. I WanNa thank everyone for joining this week's radio show. I want to thank our sponsors next diva the all in one communications platform for your small business. Also WanNa thank linked in the place to generate leads drive traffic and build your brand awareness for free one hundred dollars credit to launch your campaign could www dot lincoln dot com slash. Sb are also want to thank V. 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Bonus: Is Kara a Chump?


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Bonus: Is Kara a Chump?

"This podcast is supported by facebook. Twenty five years ago phones weren't smart yet and people still said facts it to me. The internet has changed a lot since nineteen ninety-six but that's the last time. Comprehensive internet regulations were passed. That's why facebook wants updated internet regulations to set clear guidelines for addressing. Today's toughest challenges protecting privacy enabling safe and easy data portability between platforms and more learn more about facebook supports updated internet regulations at about the fbi dot com slash regulations orally. Hey sway listeners. Welcome to a bonus episode with new york times columnists and your money guy. ron lieber. We heard talk about the astronomical cost of college about my latest interview with overland college president. Carmen twilly amfar. If you haven't heard that episode you're missing out so go back and listen. It's right behind this one in your podcast app anyway. Ron hello how you doing. I'm doing great. How are you good. I just paid for college so not as great so just say i have a kid at nyu. So let's start with you you went to amherst class of nineteen ninety-three. How much was the tuition then. Full price was about twenty five thousand dollars all in back then but i was on need based financial aid so my family did not pay that so so that was that was a relatively high price. At the time. I graduated in one thousand hundred eighty four of my tuition. My last year was about seventy five hundred dollars. It was super cheap. I remember writing checks. I wrote myself for about eleven thousand ten thousand dollars. Let's talk about that. Because nowadays jewish and cost seventy five thousand dollars a year including room and board. That's talking about how college costs have increased especially relative family income in recent decades. Sure so at the list price You know it feels like it's gone to the moon right. Amherst college where i went to eighty nine to ninety three it's now roughly tripled but the most important thing for people to keep their eye on as consumers of higher education is what the net price is and this is where it gets messy because it is very very difficult as an everyday consumer or even a consumer of way above average intelligence to actually know ahead of time or predict what you're going to pay get depends on private versus public even within the private room they're all these different segments of the market and it makes it very hard to know what the final cost will be so. It's like buying a car. It's that it's all over the place now that it's not understandable to people. Yeah i think that's right and one of the things that makes it even more confusing than buying a car right. If you're going in to look at a ford versus a toyota versus versus a lexus versus a mercedes you have a general sense of what the list prices are going to be there. And you know that the discounts are probably not going to be that much more than you know. Five ten twelve percent off the list price with colleges. You have no idea. There could be six figures swing between the list price for a private college university. And what the net prices and it may have nothing to do with how much money you have. They want to look as if there is a lot of value there that a high price signals high quality and to the extent that you can get anyone to pay full price. You try to do it and that's just good business right so i'm bar knowledge this problem. Think exact quote was. If you wanna see gnashing of teeth and wringing your hands get a group of college presidents together and ask them about our prices. You just published this book. The price you pay for college. And that probably had a similar effect on college presidents correct. Well so this is the thing what what i tried to do. With my reporting was to focus on the part of the market where people's ability to pay was increasingly clashing with their willingness to pay. And the problem. That oberlin has an overland is not alone is that there are all sorts of people out there who may have the ability to write a seventy five thousand dollar check each year or borrow to get there but they are increasingly questioning whether they should do that for oberlin whereas they probably would for harvard or even georgetown but one thing amber talked about is even though the sticker price at oberlin is seventy five thousand and there are typical of liberal arts college so she was funny out that most students are paying far less more like thirty to forty thousand meet all need their at because they have a large endowment but the merit scholarships that they're doing explain why colleges are offering them exactly sure so if you're a school like oberlin a tricky situation and you're trying to preserve the ability to collect full price from five or ten or fifteen or thirty percent of your population but then you've got a whole bunch of people where the ability to pay as a mismatch with the willingness to do so so consider those people affluent people. What oberlin hopes to do is to take that seventy five thousand dollar list price in subtract twenty thousand dollars and to offer it to these affluent families as a scholarship right and so that allows you to feel very good about yourself. You've gotten a gold as a parent. Your kid feels meritorious. They've gotten this surprise giant pile of money often via text message notification. Everybody can run around town saying that. Their kid got money from this school. That discount is real and then what oberlin's able to do is use that fifty five thousand dollars that it gets from the family to cross subsidize certain number of lower income students so it's not always the case that the so called merit aid means that low income people do worse. Are these effectively subsidies for rich kids because only certain people can afford to get the merit correct or do the things that make the resumes. The students resumes so good. Yeah look i think it's totally fair to describe it. As a subsidies for rich gets there are all sorts of people whose household incomes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or above. Who are getting these discounts. Now another cynical way to describe it as to say well these these lists prices aren't real right. It's just all it's just all a marketing ploy to make anybody and everybody feel good about a coupon and the fact of the matter is is that sometimes schools will use merit aid to meet financial. Need right. so why would they do that. Well not because they're offering subsidies to rich kids because these are people who need the money right. They're doing it to make people feel good. People would much more rather be recognized for their academic worth than for the fact that they're short of fun right right so it's just another way that this is a this is a marketing ploy. So what do you think. The opportunity cost of this merit aid. This this kind of thinking is what else could schools be doing with that money. So here's what we don't know and often can never know 'cause we have to take the schools word for it. It's possible that these discounts for rich kids come at the expense of lower income people. But you know a question for a school like oberlin is does it. Need to offer merit aid given the market position. It's in. i have every sympathy for the spot there in then again. Franklin and marshall in pennsylvania another very competitive state for private colleges and universities less endowment per student than overland has. They managed to get rid of merit aid several years ago. And you know the pell. Grant percentage has gone from five percent to twenty percent pell grants go to the lowest income families right so it is possible to make a change with the will to do so and it's going to be interesting to see whether the president oberlin is still relatively new. You know has the will and desire to do that or feels like they're in a position where they can. So when you're thinking about this. This idea of market position. You mentioned franklin and marshall and then of course on the top. There's the harvard and stanford and yells talk about where these not over in particular but all these schools in the market positions of schools. These days sure. I mean this is the thing that's particularly difficult for parents to shop for because we all have our own built in impressions of how things might have looked a generation ago and the fact of the matter is is that it's a much more national market for students than it used to be consumers more aware of what's happening nationally and the schools that are available and the schools are using all sorts of sophisticated marketing techniques and software to target kids who are farther and farther away often by zip code. Zip code is a code for affluence right so all of these schools and it's not just the private ones. Some of the public schools are trying to track out of state students to are using all this data to try to nationalize the market. Because they know it's gotten so competitive so talk a little bit about the machinery of certain schools versus others the so there are a handful of schools that have transformed themselves utterly using merit aid using consultants using technology. Three of the best examples are the university of southern california tulane university northeastern university in boston. These were schools that were second choices. Safety schools commuter institutions a generation ago now the percentage of people that they accept her in the teen. So what do schools like this. Do to advance themselves. They hire these consultants consultants come in with algorithms. The algorithms contain all sorts of data that these consulting firms have gathered about high schools about the college themselves. They suck in ten years of data on who responded from what zip code. What kind of highschool to. What kind of discount offer in the past wasn't enough. Was it not enough. What kind of student high school student was that person did the person who accepted the offer. Stay at the university of transfer out so you got a bunch of running around just sucking in all manner of data including how your kid may be responding to email and text message. Come ons that are coming from the university. I was crazy. Mike was going to school like two lane. Two lane was a good example. We got so much stuff. I got stuff he got stuff it mailings every yes two lane is done. It exactly right from a business perspective right. They use this merit aid money to go out and buy really good students from faraway using these discounts. And now they are way more selective and they've accrued a lot more prestige as a result and a big part of it was because they use technology in a sophisticated way in the background to kind of an increase their pool of potential customers and so families in many instances. No idea that this is going on and that the aid offers are in fact coming from a computer on the first pass not from a human well not just marinade but the idea of getting this idea of scarcity of creating a feeling of scarcity and security among teenagers essentially sure. I mean one way you do better in these rankings. Is that you basically increase your denominator. You increase your selectivity by getting more applications. And what's the best way to get more. Applications do more solicitation was the best way to do more solicitation. Get a piece of software to tell you from what zip codes and what kinds of students are most likely to ply particularly if you give them an incentive right. Maybe maybe it's a fee waiver you don't have to pay the application fee or you say you know if you apply and you get in we guarantee you you will get a ten thousand dollar discount each year. So why not take a flyer on that. And so it may feel like you're buying a lottery ticket now and it is true that the odds on paper or worse than they used to be but it also may be true that there are more unqualified candidates and particularly this year. Now that so many schools are test optional. All sorts of kids are taking a flyer who probably have no chance of getting it. I mean what a good grades actually worth that like six figures or what well so it is absolutely the case that your academic record can be worth a six figure marinade discount over four years at a private institution but again the thing. That's so messy about this for we parents for a is that it's very hard to predict it. It's not in their interest to be transparent. They want people to know that. It's a relatively small number of people painful price. They don't want people to know what the average and you see on this show fisher. Karen wishes that trump well. I'm not gonna call you at chandler on your show. I don't even think about it. So you have a daughter in eighth or ninth grade right now. Have you spoken to her about this. I feel like. I don't wanna say anything to my kids in going into eleventh grade next year. He's in tenth grade right now. Have you spoken. I just don't want to but maybe i should. We have spoken to her. And here's why we don't get to control. What kind of information comes at them if we are not locking them up in their rooms. She's already seen instagram ads from colleges. And she's in ninth grade when she takes the psat's assuming she does and she doesn't check off the send me male thing she'll be bombarded with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of incoming pieces of marketing and some of them like the one from clark university in worcester massachusetts will have subject headings like show me the money great. So she's going to find out one way or the other. The discounting goes on for people with good grades and we felt like the lesser of two evils. Was to at least. Let her know gently how this works. It's not to put pressure on her not to say you absolutely have to get a three point nine grade point average or we won't pay for xyz school we just felt like it was only fair for her to know what kind of system She was operating in because the alternative is for her to find out about it when she's a junior senior when it's too late to do anything about it and then she feels like we didn't trust her with the information or we didn't think she could handle because i don't want to say anything about it. Well so here's the way to put it it. Tell me how to put it where you i mean. Here's the way to put it where it doesn't involve pressure. I mean you can just say if this is true right look. We do not have the ability to pay full price for every private college or university in america or you could say we have the ability to pay full price but we don't think the value is there and you're going to need to earn merit aid. If you wanna go to some of these schools that would otherwise cost three hundred thousand dollars and we don't want you to feel that pressure because we are i if it's if it's so apparent know that if you go to our state institution the flagship state university or if you go to a private college where you will qualify for a discount. Maybe it's not as selective as some of these other schools. We know that they're amazing. Opportunities available places. That's what's great about the american system. There's a lot of choice and dozens. Maybe hundreds of schools just about every kid can thrive. It's not all that far off from the sex talk or the drug stock right. I mean this is just like an unfortunate heart of lyft. I'd like those so much better than the college talk. I don't even wanna put any pressure on my case about that. So what's the impact bidding on price inflation on the college debt crisis. Because that's the other part of this this college debt crisis that you know politicians talk about everybody talks about so what kind of crisis do we have here right. I mean i guess. I would argue taking a step back that the thing that so horrified about. What's happening right now is that we've got something like one point seven trillion dollars in student loan debt. Not all of that is from undergraduates. But a lot of it is so we have conducted a decades long experiment. One of the biggest. We've ever conducted in american economics using teenagers as guinea pigs. Right that is completely messed up so if we are going to have a national conversation around so-called cancellation or so-called forgiveness. Both those terms are loaded politically. We should remind ourselves that if we are going to cancel some debt. It's because we are admitting as a nation that this was a really dumb thing to do to children so to me. That's where the conversation starts now if you want to break it down. Further the fact of the matter is is that people who get through college and get that degree and if they only borrow the thirty or so thousand dollars that they're allowed to borrow from the federal government. They're going to be all right. They could make those payments and there are income driven repayment programs. Where they're going to be fine. The people that i worry about are not the people with medical school data vet school debt. They were grownups. They knew what they were doing. I worry much more about the people who went to four prophets schools and dropped out or didn't get what they paid for. I worried about people who who had to leave school. Because they didn't have enough money and now they've got the debt but they don't have the degree in the income that comes with it. That's the worst of both worlds when you hear the biden administration talking about forgiving. Or cancelling ten thousand dollars in debt turns out that a lot of people in trouble in default if had their credit wrecked. They have less than ten thousand dollars in debt. So you wipe that amount away and you solve the credit problems for all those folks and get rid of that stuff. That's hanging over their head. So that's the policy argument for doing that. It's just simple now. A lot of administrative burden no means tasks and we solve the problem for a lot of people who have very low income can ever be a total price reset. Some schools have tried to do a reset because they said themselves. Well all this hocus pocus is ridiculous right. We can have a list price of sixty two thousand dollars. But if nobody's paying why are we bothering. We're probably scaring away. A bunch of people who could actually afford it right so they try that. And what ends up happening is that applications. Go up for a couple of years. But they're still having to give away discounts to get to a match at the net price of the institutions that they still compete with who haven't done the reset. And so you know. It's very difficult to completely blow this up without a whole lot of collusion and now we remember how much the trump administration hated higher education. But the last time we got even an inkling and it was really a joke right. The last time a college president even step forward and suggested some kind of collective action. The obama administration antitrust department was all over them. Right so yeah. You can't collude here to fix this. i'm talked about. Roi right this idea of roi return on investment of a college education. Your money guy. What is the actual of college now. Yeah so right defined return right so we're talking about dollars only than you know an average you get roughly a million bucks an extra income if you go to college versus if you don't but of course all of our kids are above average right and so we tell ourselves all sorts of stories about whatever outsize economic return will come but what about the other return so all right so what is the return on friendship. How many of them will still be your linked in connections twenty years from now when you're trying to start a company or you're out on the street trying to find new gig. What about the return on happiness. That comes from being deeply engaged totally in the flow in a topic that you love in a classroom of small size where you have access to professors who will become mentors and will shape and form your brain and your soul for four undergraduate years. We can't put a price tag on that yet. Co vid which changes everything. Because i'm paying for zoom school right now so let me just ask you do you. Buy scott galloway's theory that right now. College should be the cost of a netflix subscription. Yeah i mean scott's right and he's wrong. These schools should not be charging what they're charging for the experience. They're delivering an obvious. They're not choosing to deliver this experience right now but then again just about all of them do not have the ability to you know. Cut the price by two-thirds and scott knows that right. He's being provocative to be provocative. But if i'm a parent. If i'm you. I don't know that i'm writing that check right now. My very first book more than twenty years ago was all about gap years. And why they're good thing to do. And i looked at the people that my co author and i profiled and at least half of those experiences that people had during their gap years twenty five years ago are things that you could still do during the corona virus. I wish i took a gap year right now. Ron i wanna get your. What would you have done in your gap year. If you took one you did not take one correct. So my best friend and i both got into amherst college on the same day. In december of one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and took two years off and then join me a college so he was. He was a freshman. I was a junior and he milked more out of that place. In two months than i had been able to in my first two years it was incredible and science real. Phd conducted sciences since proven that people take gap years. Get better grades and people who don't so if you're parent. Who wants their kid to get better. Grades had them take a gap. Year right just. It's a slam dunk. So what i've done. I would have wanted to see more of the world i would worked for for nine months and i would have put half that money away for college and i would have taken the other half and purchase asia on a shoestring right and i just to take an off. Oh that's interesting. i never even considered. I went right from college to graduate school to working. It's crazy i'm gonna take at some point. I'm just gonna disappear. Ron i'm gonna take a gap life like at the end of my life. You'll never see me again. I'll be in a hut in the forest or something like that anyway because we're not in a gap year. We must go to work. Ron thank you for doing this for those of you listening. Go read ron lieber. New book the price you pay for college which is a lot. Read his riveting piece about the twenty percents off coupon from bed bath and beyond to an email him with all your money questions all of them. He will answer every single bunny question. You have so lied him with money questions because he went to college and he can answer. It means a smart fellow anyway. Thanks ron so much pleasure thank you okay. Bye once again. If you're not subscribe to sway goes do that right now. I mean it do it now. Or i'll send you to college. 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Ep. 56: Living Isn't Everything, It's The Only Thing (feat. John M. Barry)


55:21 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 56: Living Isn't Everything, It's The Only Thing (feat. John M. Barry)

"This podcast was created using anchor. Anchor is the free podcast platform that allows you or anyone to set up and start your own. Podcast FREE OF CHARGE. So the your voice is heard is because they believe in the democratization of audio pure and simple. That's why I use their platform anchor DOT FM or the Anchor. App will get you there. This is rumble. And this is Michael Moore today our guest New York Times bestselling author John M Barry Author of the Great Influenza. But first we have a new underwriter. Our new underwriter is audible. This is the Audio Book Company. Probably now more than ever has a wonderful time to listen to an audio book. I can tell you the books I've read and have done listened to on audible. It's so much better for instance. Bob Dylan's chronicles volume one. That's his autobiography. To listen to the audio book of that. With Sean Penn Reading Bob. Dylan's autobiography it's just brilliant. It's a wonderful way to reach people. I've recorded many of my own books with my own voice. It's a wonderful experience and as a special offer to my listeners. They have a sign up thing here where you can get a free book. You one of my books Anyways if you want to sign up for that or to get any one of the many free books that they offer you just have to go to audible dot com slash rumble or. You can text them. You just got a text the word rumble two five hundred five hundred text in the word rumble and you'll be signed up for a trial offer in a free book so support them. They support me and I'm grateful to them for allowing voice like mine to be heard in a time like this. This is rumble. And this is Michael Moore and We have a important episode today. Because we'RE GONNA be talking to the author John M Berry Who wrote the book the Great Influenza? The story the pandemic in history that would be the What's called the Spanish flu of Nineteen Eighteen and John is a A professor at Tulane University's School of Public Health and tropical medicine. Let me welcome John To Rumble. Thank you very much for taking the time today to do this. Both thanks so in one thousand nine hundred nine. What were the big mistakes that were made with The influenza Well number one. They lied and number two by and large when they did interpose social distancing. They did it too late. What did they lie about well? There was an infrastructure that created for the war propaganda arm of the government all the committee for public information and the architect that humidity said all it matters impact so that was the mindset of people Iran. This there was no difference between truth and falsehood. It's all that mattered was impact of what you said. You know you try. So that's pretty extreme and now is the mindset again that wasn't setup for influenza that was set up for the warm he morale up they did things like in an army camp. They ban songs like I wonder who's kissing her now You know sour crowd was renamed. Liberty CARIB cabbage. Teaching German was banned in schools. So for them so on I mean. This is the context so influenza erupts and before it hurting morale I put that in quotes or or less or damaging. The war effort National Public Health later said this ordinary influenced by another name and the surgeon general the US you have nothing to worry about. If proper precautions are so they just said it was just like any other flu. Correct and people knew that was alive. Very rapidly soon as e virus geared in their community. You could die in less than twenty four hours. That didn't happen often but eappen enough you. A disease was initially misdiagnosed as Dan. Gay Typhoid Cholera. So the symptoms were white often right severe and not normally associated with influenza Probably the most horrific symptoms. You could lead from. You're not only from your nose from your eyes and ears and In the buckeye quote one doctor writing a colleague that people is turning so dark blue from lack of oxygen that he had difficulty distinguishing between white soldiers and black soldiers on that of course spread rumors. Black play though women. Things are occurring and the health authorities are telling you. This is ordinary influenza by another name. You very rapidly lose trust while you're being told and as a result in the national message Wilson himself never made a public statement about the disease not one. That's how is that right. I mean during this time. Nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen. He never not one statement ever. Oh my God. He was focused entirely on local communities. Most of them echoed. What was occurring. Why those statements I just repeated from the National Committee leader Public Health leaders and often they were quoted verbatim in local papers. They had so Associated Press and so forth back. Then so I focused in the buck on on one city where is particularly bad? Philadelphia and in Philly. They went so far as when they finally closed. All schools. Bars restaurants theaters a banned. Any public gathering closed in Oban. Church services is one of the newspapers actually said this is not a public health measure. You have no cost law unquote. So all that says is. You can't believe anything you read in the newspaper. That's all that message says. So did that did that result in when that public health officials than were trying to get people were they were really telling the truth and trying to get them to do certain things. The people didn't believe them. Frankly you didn't need to be told to social distance by that time in a place like Philadelphia. The streets were empty regardless right. You know. We have bad symptom right now here. It's not a symptom just resolve or you saw the same thing I'm sure you saw photographs of empty Beijing and so forth In January early February fear. We'll have plenty of affect The the impact however was negative in the sense that it meant that I think society is based on trust when you come right down to it. Sure her and trust was disintegrating and basically said you're on your own and it's kind of an atom ization of society. We're right now. We're not having that. Thank God here. I am in the French quarter. I can give you examples but finished Michael on on on a nineteen eighteen and the very few cities where they did tell the truth and I mentioned San Francisco in the book. They seemed to have a very different response. I mean in in Philadelphia. You have reports to people starving to get that because nobody would bring them food in that same thing. Red Cross reported that occurring in rural communities as well. I just dig city but also in rural areas where you would have expected unity family and so forth would have overcome that. There are the things that those people were listening. Or you know myself that we can do to pitch in to help. Even though we're not medically trained other as we just feel like we're a weaker so away from an onslaught or the healthcare system is going to be so overwhelmed that we're GONNA have to figure out what to do here. That's a good question. I wish I had the answer to it and after I get off this regarding I'm GonNa Wa call up some folks and see if there's something that they can suggest so. The next time somebody asks me that I'll have a good answer so thanks for asking. Can IT Well no that's okay. You don't have the answer to every question. It's not a quiz but I'd like but I just when you said that about your dentist friend. Of course he can do medical things they they go to a medical school to be a dentist for many years right. Oh and they have to be prepared for something happening in that chair if something goes wrong which it can if somebody cardiac somebody you know. I mean things can happen. You're dealing with the mouth and so much of of of what happens in our mouth with our teeth or gums etc that goes into our blood system it So these so dennis do know how to do. A number of especially emergency Things that if if something happened so I didn't think of that either before you you know. Suggest that and and I now put out a call to all dentists. Who are listening to this. Podcast do what they can do to offer their services to get back to your larger. Yes yes archer the global question. Yes I would expect this to get widespread. You know in the millions of cases in the United States and we're lucky but it's only in the millions we're lucky if it'll only be in the millions right as opposed to I honestly I don't see how avoid tens of millions it would be great if we could avoid a run hundred million. That would be a significant achievement. You're talking about how people coming down with it. Not People dying obviously correct correct so so it could but it could be. I mean I mean they have sort of said this it could be a two hundred million people. I I've somebody from the NIH. Who said that? The worst case scenarios one out of two will get governor. Cuomo here yesterday said that in New York forty to eighty percent of the people eighty percent has four out of five people will contract The Corona Virus At some point during and he's the first politician. I heard say that this is going to go on at least possibly nine months although you know my sources at the NIH and other places of told me this could be a rolling roll. You see it that way that it could go. It could go two years or longer right but in waves exactly it peaks we all stay inside then it subsides we all come out live our lives for a few months and then boom It's still there with us. It's found new hosts am and we go back inside and is that pretty much that means a rolling a pandemic. I would hope by the time a second wave came around. We would have protesting number one. A lot of the activation would be immune is they've already been exposed because they've had not number two by then. We would certainly have rob protesting wanting to test so we would have an opportunity to aid damp in that second wave significantly with testing `isolation and so forth. So I would not necessarily automatically assume we're GONNA have to have the kinds of closings that are going on right now. I would be surprised if that were the case. And then what happens by the third? The third wave we. We will have been We we'll have a vaccine one would hope. Yeah it's a hope. It's a lot of hope here. Isn't it John? Because out there and we get more than that they've been. They've been working on a vaccine for malaria forever. There isn't one. There's no vaccine for the common cold. This is a rapidly mutating. Mutating virus doesn't take quite as rapidly as influence influence. Of course you need a new vaccine every year. Measles mutates just as rapidly as influenced by a vaccine is virtually one hundred percent effect of pretty much for life and the difference. Is that viruses have what they call. Conserve portions of the virus. If those portions of the virus change the virus cannot function not a barral. So I don't want to talk. Explicitly about Corona virus. But I know enough about the influenza virus to talk about the ad and you can be somewhat similar so when an influenza virus invades sal. When that sell six to eight hours later whatever Explodes will expel between one hundred thousand and a million buyers articles but a mutated so rapidly. That only one percent of those particles will be able to function as a virus. And and in fact and other South. So the conserved portions of the virus influenza. The problem is that the immune system does not easily see. The parts of the virus that are conserved can't change to function so you target the vaccine other parts of the virus which do pay rapidly. It looks like I'm the Corona Virus. What's called the spike which sticks out from in helps keep the virus? Its name looks like the spike on this virus seems stable although the viruses mutate rapidly so that is reason to be optimistic about ineffective axiom. No there are more things involves developing a vaccine than just that But that's pretty important. And then in addition you know artificial intelligence supercomputing and so forth is already identified as. I'm sure you're aware several possible drugs that worked against us and they are being tested. Obviously New York I think seventy thousand doses of the drug prior to that the company lay add has a drug that was developed against him which actually failed while it worked somewhat against Bola but several other drugs bettering of also is abandoned as an old drug however that looks like it will have some impact. That's being tested. Those test started a couple of weeks ago and there are other candidates as well There was some hope for an anti HIV combination of a couple of drugs but in fact several weeks ago Shanghai abandon it as a treatment because wasn't working and then the last few days it was a scientific journal paper saying an ally still see it mentioned as a possibility But there may well be other drugs out there that can be identified so we can hold on until we have a drug much less aback. Seen will be a lot better shape and then in a way and the way we hold on is doing all the things we're being told to do. Wash your hands. And who distance exactly and trying to yet compliance on these things one of the less optimistic parts of again nineteen eighteen and a The op-ed in times mentioned it Severi good epidemiologists looked at what happened in army camps. Ninety nine camps aren't tnd isolated people as soon as they were in many cases taking their temperature checking symptoms of soldiers in the camps twice today. Isolating them if they add a symptom if two soldiers unit at symptoms in our unit was like Warranty and it turns out UNRIG twenty camps. Ninety nine did that twenty one did not. It was no difference between the camps. The did the camps that did not why was that because of leakage because over a period of time that it leakage yes the enforcement of the wiring teams and so forth. I mean they weren't. They weren't enforced as well. Originally enough. You know people lax and even in the army during the war and the epidemiologists however went beyond pure statistics actually investigated. See how well each cam perform discovered that e very few camps they rigidly enforced these Warranty and other measures in those camps was benefit however so few of them did it. The numbers were lost. Statistically when you look at the toll so we you're saying how that affects us today. Is that we all say. Were WASHING OUR HANDS? But maybe not as well or not not. That's correct but even more to the point. You know compliance with social distancing the social distancing. Okay so let's let's take me as an example here and tell me if what I'm doing is right or wrong so I'm in day thirteen now of my own self imposed exile. My Staying in the apartment Not going out not having People over You know I've had no symptoms I. I've not been in contact with anyone. Although a woman in our building did pass away a few days ago with with the virus and But they didn't quarantine the rest of the building. They bring people to do that. Whatever they do fumigating disinfecting in all the hallways and lobby or whatever but does I. You know I don't I don't go out but okay now having said all that. I've I've told you what a good boy scout I am Now the truth right On Day six of my quarantine I had a little stir crazy in here. And this is this is Back when the theatres were still open and I thought boy it Sunday it's Sunday morning. Sunday morning morning. Matinees never have anybody at them and you can go online now when you buy a ticket and you can buy your seat and you can see how many other seats are bought. So I looked for a movie where there was there. Were no other tickets for the movie like ten. Am movie. I bought a ticket bought a ticket. I took clorox wipes with me. I'll add sabbatical to doesn't that I wiped the I wiped the whole. Lubar down before I said in it. It's ironic ballet handles than articles in the air in the air. Okay so the Uber driver with Uber driver had done he had encased himself in plastic. He had a sealed off the front seat area to the back area in serious plastic with duct tape. Though I mean the thing was it looked pretty tight To me you know so I got in. It went down there. There were three other people in the theater. But you know there were you know. Twenty thirty rose in the theater so I sat ten rows away from anybody. Watch the movie. Wipe the seat down. Did all that. an came back home. You're saying even with all those precautions that In violating my own quarantine on that day I increased my risk. Well you know for a semi say I go for several Watson Day my wife and I go for walks day. We're both over seventy to stay away from people. I don't think there's a need to you know. Of course we walk right out onto the street. I don't have to get on an elevator a so forth and so on you may have those difficulties You know you can't go crazy. Nobody your first reaction. Your first reaction was that I made. I made a mistake in doing this. Uber is a problem. Babba car had been better off driving. You're on guard or walking or walking. Yeah because the theater was just a couple of miles away so I could walk to my house but those days are over now. The movie theaters are closed. All right so now. Let me ask you this all right. So Nobody comes into my apartment except the executive producer of this. Podcast is sitting about ten feet from over the board and and so on his come in To my apartment on the few occasions especially when we have a guest Just to run the board since you started on to run the board in and do the interview at the same time He he comes into my apartment. There's a bathroom right there. At the beginning of the apartment it's now called Basil's bathroom sorry Benzel And he is known for other things Just want people to know But he goes in there changes the CLO- he walks. He walked here walked across central part When goes in the bathroom changes from his outdoor closed to the indoor clean clothes that he's brought We have Lysol D- down This whole studio We've Clark's wiped everything. We stay away from each other and But he's in he's we're in. We're in the same room right now. He's over there at the board and He'll be here you know for the length of this and then We'll let me say in the most technical sense you know. There is some real modicum of risk. But you have to live. I mean I had an old coach of mine. Who said he wanted to do is live until he died? So we isolate yourself from humanity for an extended period of time my my dark Irish. O of version of that What year old coach said is I find living to be highly overrated. I hope everybody understands that. In the context it was meant that's just the Irish in me. Speaking okay well. It's not Irish but the guy around here plays bagpipes. Two courses the most haunting sound. You can imagine an empty French quarter in particular. I would want to hear that you're saying is yes. We have to live our lives. But you're staying inside right except for your except you go out on your you go on your walks or you're right and there are people outside walking to. You're not the only one walking Iraq and we keep our distance or actually quite friendly early a real sense of community developing lots of US around here. you know my dentist friend. Am I mentioned earlier? We had dinner last night. You know about twenty eight apart. Different tables I know you know it's an outside patio or takeout. Which incidentally out food is safe or to now. Would you say that So says just as a fact it is saying? Tell me what about the fact that because that people are scared. I'm I'm I know and that's why I'm saying I'm I'm this one. I'm relying on expert advice from a couple other people whom I asked to confirm that one being sense Gupta whose detail on here another being Mike. Oester home runs a center for Disease Research and also good friend of mine. I asked both of them independently. They said no brown. You gotta be careful with the packaging. Get Out of the package. Wash your hands scarred the package combination a heat and humidity and so forth. I guess a on the process. Okay we live where it's also They delivery person delivers it in a bag. They've touched the bag right. So just make sure you wash your hands after you take the. When I said he'd been humidity I meant to cook. Sign okay all right Again the packing chain the bag that potentially a problem in theory discard that but the food on your own plates discard the packaging. Wash your hands in your okay. I heard that if you them microwave the the food the microwave a can kill the virus through if it's on the food I'm I don't know that for fact Caso no don't take that as fact then. I'm just just something. They may very well. They may very well be. I wondered about that myself. I haven't you know I'm not corologis. I'll investigate that and now at future. Podcast I'll let people know if that's true but nonetheless what you say is this. Is it safe but at the food and the play? Wash your hands before you touch. Any of the food Or the or the plate of the silverware whatever Do do the goods Abbott scrubbing. There were all we're doing right now and And then you're fine. You have your dinner. You have something so back back to back to basil though the executive producer of this endeavor this podcast rumble He sitting over there a ten feet From me he does his own self `isolation at home he's had nobody over his apartment He hasn't gone out to anything other than to the grocery store to get food But that's it I mean we both agreed to be extremely careful and that when we have to work when we are doing this podcast. We're GONNA work in this manner where You know we. We're careful. I guess as we can be but are we making a mistake. That was my point in and because you can say yes. It doesn't mean the podcast is gone and I know how to operate the board. I know how to you know. I'm I'm Bene- filmmaker for many years. I know how to the equipment works I can I can function but The quality of the sound. And the all the things that go into bringing this to people Obviously it helps if The producer of the of the show. The episode the PODCAST. Here Sarah any risk yes. Is it a reasonable risk? Take yes you're if he's self-isolating in his apartment. The only interaction is is coming to your place. I would say that's okay. What if what if not both of us are Single I don't want to give away too much personal information here. But yeah that's what if what if biggest dangerous sanity. Yes yes we. We were already lonely people and now now we're into now we're in an enforced loneliness out to call me. After the recording we can talk about risers Smith Right. You mentioned before we went on Turn the microphones on here that you'd actually interviewed Roger Smith. Roger of my first film. Roger Means Chairman of General Motors and The okay. So so but basically what about the people though when you say their self isolating but they have a partner. They're married they have two kids. They're they're they may be safe what it's actually probably easier to have company. I mean if my wife weren't right here I'd go out of my mind. You would like those soldiers in one thousand nine hundred nine because you're human. You would violate you'd say one day one days not going to hurt one days not gonNa hurt if I mingle and I think that's well said I personally because of my awareness you know. Maybe I'd be able to refrain from that. You know you know another point again. It comes down to discipline In SARS a lot of healthcare workers dry died hypothesized Infected themselves. They're protective equipment. They got a little act. You know I don't know if you mentioned it but Roughly fifteen years ago when the government started planning for Endemic. I was a part of the working. Groups tried to put together the initial plans in the very first meeting. We had Gentlemen from the hospital in Hong Kong who which had by far the best record of any hostile dealt with a lot of SARS patients in terms of its healthcare workers not getting sick and dying and the point he made with us is lasted to translate in American terms. It came down to blocking and tackling fundaments. Everybody knows how to train person knows how to take off their protective equipment. But you have to do it right every time all the time. You cannot relax attention to detail in my former life. I was put walkouts tune Easter. You know every day. I talk about attention to detail to the team. I remember one entire practice. I you know I didn't like the way we were doing. Jumping Jacks to warm up at the beginning of the practice and I was trying to make a point that you got to do everything right if you're GONNA do it. So we spent the entire practice. Doing Jumping Jacks to make sure that we jumping jacks right detail. That's important I think at some point. I mean clearly at some point. The question is at what point The various will be relaxed and people who go out again. Disease will be there. It's not going to be gone We have to figure out a way to handle this. The purpose of what we're doing right now is to try to get ahead of the disease so that the stress on the healthcare system is something that can handle. That is what we're trying to accomplish so that we don't have that five point. Eight percent A -ality rate in. Wuhan were more likely zero point seven percent in arrest rest of China. That's what we're trying to do. We are not going to outlast the virus. We'RE NOT GONNA lock down American society or anywhere else in the world or months at a time. It's not going to happen But we have to figure out at what point is the point where we start you know. Turn the key in society starts to go back to work while at the same time we protect people who are most vulnerable. We have not figured that out yet. I am waiting for I. Guess Actually Cuomo. I think later today is making noises Around that and some of the public health leaders you start rating their op-eds and they're moving in that direction and to the extent that anybody listens to me. I'm certainly moving in that direction. Night that I am an answer for yet But I think mark choose a epidemiologist at Harvard. Was One of the first people. Say Forty to seventy percent of the world's likely to be infected I think he's got an op-ed today. I'm Bloomberg discussing points like this. I Know Mike O. Star home is a good friend of mine I mentioned earlier. Center from actresses as research in policies essentially said something very similar In The Washington Post yesterday or the last couple of days all kind of meshes together. We've got to figure that point out. We cannot stay like six months and we will not be able to outlast the virus. GimMe one of the things as we all. We're all going to have to formulate a plan here so give me an idea. Why idea of of what that would look like what we could do to Both Keep our sanity but also to stay safe and stay alive while again if the medical care system get staffed up and has an adequate supply ventilators and other resources. That's important that would be an opportunity for some release of society for sure you know people may under under sixty or under forty wherever you want to draw the line go have underlying conditions. They all go back door You know that would be one trader. It may be a long time before that trigger. Hit so we adequate ventilators So probably have to think some other triggers. Maybe we'll just say if you don't have an underlying condition and you're under forty go back. Door are under sixty and try to keep people who are more vulnerable More protected Nice elated. You know again. We're not gonNA outlast virus right. We'll see where you're saying. We'RE NOT GONNA kill the virus. Is that what you're saying? Yeah we'RE NOT GONNA out when I say last we're not gonNA be able to stay essentially closed down for the length of time right. That's not going to happen actress yell we're going to go back out at some point but the virus will still be out there right again. We have natural. Immunity Develops From people who've been exposed I mean that is not an absolute certainty. But it's highly likely there have been you know some small experiments in rhesus monkeys. Where it was impossible to reinfect the monkeys after they or expose initially so. That's a very good sign. That confirms the thinking again. We're not certain about reinfection at this point. But it's likely that you know you haven't unit you know whether it's lasts for six months or a year knows Are Forever don't don't know won't know for a while But you know that's one plus so that's GonNa damp in a another wave again the therapeutic drugs which I think are likely more likely than not how soon they come online and then of course the the holy grail. The vaccine a good vaccine. You know the daily conferences that president trump has With the head of health and Human Services on the podium and the surgeon general there in the vice president is there on the days when Dr Vouch E is not on the on the podium and that was like two days in a row last week. Do Freak out on freak out like if you don't if you don't see him on that on that little stage in the White House press room Reno my I can't watch his press conferences. I don't watch replays of Football Games on okay. So you're saying I should I should. I should turn that off and go to that. Tv channel that has the old shows. Bonanza Barnaby Jones Mannix. Just watch just watch something other than yeah because it does make your mind. Go Crazy Watching this stuff but doctor FAUCI right are with. It's like the whole country on his side. Tony is great. I think I wish to CDC. We're back on the table at those press conferences as well. Yeah obviously very good. Yes someone we don't see them. We get worried. Yeah but apparently he was Autho doing some actual work not that this is unimportant. Reassuring is the reassuring voice on there. I know but when I say we're worried I don't mean I don't mean the president's trying to Muslim I'm thinking he seventy nine years old and he's sick today now. He's sick two days. Where is he somebody? Yeah I know. I don't think I'm the only one that thinks this Now The Washington Post article on that Again I know it all blurs together whether it was yesterday day before today. Who knows but they did a piece on exactly not so okay. So you're talking to quite a few people right now on this On this podcast We're GONNA hit are we're GONNA hit. Are we only done this for three months? And we're GONNA have a seven million without seven million download this this week No it sets Bene- people don't have line else to do this at the bar is very low for our success so But I try to. I try to tell them the awful truth but leave them with something to do or something to think about or some way to not allow. I don't like I don't like hope I really am. I'm because when we say hope these days it's so often as a false hope or a sugar coated hope Just so that people feel better I don't I don't know if on some level I don't know if I wanNA feel better. I WANNA be better I WANNA LIVE. I don't want to infect anybody else I know anybody else infecting me but I but I'm not about. I don't wake up this morning time. Well I just hope I. I hope I have some more hope today. I just I'm not there. I'm like I'm in a fighting mode and I want to do what I can do. A good citizen to To get us to pull us through and I want to help the people who are listening to this on help pull them through a one. I want all of us in the same boat working together and so I ask you what I have asked. Other guests This past week or two You know I've asked you what you have done yourself And you've given us some. I think some very good advice and some calming Advice good com not bad. Calm that the that. The takeout food is not our enemy But know you have a chance to speak to at least a few hundred thousand people who might be listening right now you know. What is it that you would say to them in of what they can do And and and to help all of us get into a mindset of Yes we understand. What's in front of us? We understand the danger but we can't let them paralyze us. Okay there are there. Are I guess three points I can think of number one maintain discipline discipline the jumping jacks right? Exactly do it the right way all the time time. Otherwise coach is not going to end this practice. Until WE'RE ALL DOING JUMPING. Jacks all the same way the right way every time exact. He's can stop you there. John the American people. You're one of US right You've been around for the country for a while. I can say so many great things about us. Here's one thing. We're not a very disciplined people on many levels. We Are we are. We are the people who there is the sort of thing with the American dream that we live that we really trouble. You know. The word dream is in that term. It is a dream not a reality so but we want to believe that just like I I can go to the movies just once it won't it won't hurt me. I'll I'll take clorox wipes with me and and we talk ourselves into this thing where we we can't discipline ourselves. We're we're we're you look at those pictures of the South Koreans and how they lined up. They got tested and they were like and I thought. Wow we could. We could never do that. You remember the opening of the Beijing Olympics of a decade or so ago that amazing that routine that they did with drummers and the dancers and everything I thought Oh no American I know can do that. We are not those people John. I don't I taught me out or number one. You have both the issue with the Community. And the individual there are individuals who are lessening will be able to maintain that discipline. The more were capable of doing that. The better off we are and you know not only those individuals who right but the entire society second I said I sorta had three points came to my house. So that's number one disciplines. Everybody discipline the second one in bows community. Something else somebody else. Even if it's only you know Really big tip on somebody who's delivering. Take out or your groceries. Even if it's something is is relatively insignificant that person but you know depending on who you are where you are and so forth. There might be something much more than that as you could do you here in New Orleans after Katrina. The traffic lights were out for months. So you had a four-way stop at every major intersection. That was one of the most lifting experiences of my life because everybody practically which courteous to everybody else that was four way stop signs. It was amazing. It was feeling we're all in it together. Them same thing marching down the street. Here we are all in it together. You know when we go for Walks. And we've talked to people shouting across the street proper distancing in the extreme barely within earshot shot. You know there's a real warm feeling and I hope that sustainable I think it is sustainable. That's that's something that your listeners can do in the third thing I want to leave them with is is. There is reason for optimism given the likelihood of rugs and Vaccine and even in the worst case you know this is not the bombastic play. It is not going to wipe out a quarter to a third of the population even worse case with the worst possible leadership. I could say in the worst possible case with medical system collapsing. No drugs being delivered. No vaccine terrible political leadership not only the the national level but at every state level. Yes I could see. Several million Americans die by even at the end And that's the absolute worst. Remember this is you know even the elderly and again. I'm one I think. The worst case is ninety percent of US survive and that's the worst case and in terms of younger people know much higher proportion survive. So am I afraid? Yeah. I'm afraid I wasn't but I am not the end of the world. You know we are going to recover from this The one thing. I read with trump on in terms of policy but I think the economy will surge back when we release it. Be a tremendous amount of pinup demand and so forth. It'll be like the end of of or two with everybody except actually because the virus has not be grabbing each other grabbing strangers and hugging them in Times Square. But they'll be a feeling great relief and so I I guess I hope that was on a positive note. I started as long as it's not a false positive. You know it's a I think that's the world we want to look forward to and I think people want you know. I think that what you said about the sense of community that that's very true and and I've what's people on a good mindset of Hauer on this together I call up for some takeout food The other night to per delivery and There's a ninety year old Here in the building person friend And I thought I put the restaurant on hold night. I'd just rang them up and said Hey ordering some food. Do you need any little thing but it really. I think really It moved him and And it was and it was also the right thing to do and it felt good for me and and then it reminded me what other thing like that. Could I do during the day or or whatever. How can I be helpful here in some way? more than just. Obviously obviously doing this podcast to talk to people into urge them to Do all the right things also but also to act Remember that their citizens in a democracy which which demands participation and action and you have to let your representatives know how you feel about things There there's always a political element to this even when it's a health or medical issue. Decisions are being made. Political decisions are being made that are gonNA affect how many of us are living GonNa live. And how many are going to die so all of those things I think so. I'm glad you said those things and You left out when we when Basilan I can start dating again but not each other of course but I'm just saying you know it's It seems like a time where we are. We're it this is an inward time That we are in and we are not going to be around people and We look forward to the time when when we are with our friends and neighbors and family and and all of that you know people have elderly parents and you WanNa go check on your parents. While he can't do that so John I wanNA thank you. I WanNa thank you you you are the bill. Parcells of pandemics Your Bill Gallo We can't say the name of that name on this podcast but But Yeah I'm I'm originally from prowl. You are okay. Well then allow that. We allow that you know what they're all. The rules are off the table here during the pandemic. So yes you. Can you can reference a Bell. Check BUT But I think your your point about our discipline And and being vigilant in in in in consistent with Is going to save a lot of people and also to get off this thing? I think there were on that. We started them. Fortunately saying that we own people are going to be okay nobody under thirty died etc etc. That was a wrong message to send out and You know that statistic yesterday from the Governor of New York that half of the The cases here are people between the ages of eighteen and forty nine years old So that was the big wake-up call I think Yesterday I want that. Statistic came right so everybody everybody has to get on board. Everybody has to join participate in the things that we have to do to take care of each other John Kerry Has Been my guest. He is a professor at Tulane University and wrote the Great Book. called the great influenza About the The flu of nineteen eighteen much to be learned there. Thank you for sharing What you've learned with us and please stay well and I've been my pleasure us into your wife. Okay all right thank you thank you John Thank you everybody. Thank you take care. Who's listening today here? On rumble of this is Michael Moore and hopefully we'll be back again tomorrow or the next day with another episode of Rumble. I appreciate you being with me During this time and And sharing with me. What you're going through Please feel free to do that. On the podcasts a platform we love hearing from you and on Take care of yourself and as we take herself to all right. Be well everybody again. Thanks for level blue.

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The Biggest Short: Climate Change meets the 30-Year Home Mortgage with Dr. Jesse Keenan

America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast

33:56 min | 8 months ago

The Biggest Short: Climate Change meets the 30-Year Home Mortgage with Dr. Jesse Keenan

"Hi Everyone. This is America adapts the climate change podcast. Hey adapters welcome back to the PODCAST I hope you're still doing well during this pandemic and please wear a mask all right and this upset of America APPs. I'm hosting. Dr Jesse Keenan of Tulane University Jesse has been a regular contributor to the podcast. And in this episode we talked about some research. He's done on what climate change will mean for the thirty year mortgage. Obviously, the story is much more complex than that and we'll dig into the risky behavior of. Of, financing homes in coastal areas also talk about Jesse's recent move from Harvard to Tulane University in New Orleans very cold move for Jesse, okay upcoming up suits. My next episode has been long in the making. It will be the first of a three part episode arc with the Trustees of Massachusetts. We're GONNA learn about coastal adaptation in Martha's Vineyard and northern Massachusetts. It's an epic series that I'm looking forward to sharing with you also have Dr. Maxine Birkat at the. The, University of Hawaii and we'll be talking about climate, justice and other related work. She's leading I did mention previously. I was going to interviews former senator. Russ Feingold that is still in the works, but it's requiring some scheduling juggling. That isn't easy, but we'll get that one down soon also before we get started Jesse reminded me to give a shoutout that the federal. Register has officially opened for comment on the draft prospectus of the fifth national. Climate Assessment Folks this This is important I. Know I have a ton of listeners that are capable of giving useful feedback to that process and I hear adaptation will be highlighted more than ever I know. We think the government isn't doing much on climate change, but didn't national climate assessment is the benchmark for so much planning this country. Please do your little part and make this process the best. It can be okay. Let's jump into this conversation with Dr. Jesse Keenan of Tulane University. After him back to a very exciting episode, returning once again to the pod is Dr Jesse Keenan Associate Professor Real Estate at the School of Architecture at Tulane University welcome back Jesse. Thanks for having me well. Jesse, you are a recurring character on this podcast. It's always a pleasure to get you back on, but I want to actually maybe dig into that toward the end of the episode, but just quickly I think most people associate you with Harvard and what's happened? You're at too late now. Yeah I've you know you get to a certain agent like most junior? Junior faculty at Harvard Law the Ivy League schools. You get the boot. They don't really develop junior faculty in at least in terms of tenure and things like that, so you get to a certain age, get the boot. Everybody knows that going into it. You spend your time there, but you know you realize that there's a cap on how long you're going to be at these schools on. I think for me. There's been a lot of I. really enjoy the process of engaging different institutions in terms of what I could potentially contribute, and how they support the kind of work that I do, and I think ultimately as it relates to lane in the school of architecture to lane. It was a really just an ideal fit I. Think for all around in terms of what they're doing at the school. The university is legacy, not just a post, Katrina landscape, which which is very robust in terms of environmental research, and ultimately within the realm of adaptation that is truly interdisciplinary, and that's the kind of world that I like to live in and. Some schools support that other schools don't necessarily support that, but I think two lanes got a great track record and I've just been very thrilled to find a new home in many ways for not so much myself. And my wife, but but really the worst. It's been a very smooth transition and just couldn't be more thrilled. You're technically still in Boston, though when when you think you'll make the move to New Orleans. Yeah, in the coming once will make the move. It's very difficult as you can imagine. Across the country in the middle of a pandemic, but we'll get there. We'll get there and and. One of the interesting things thinking about the idea of resilience, organizational resilience is that after Hurricane Katrina to lane was really had a sort of existential problem. which is that you know hurricanes happen? There's all kinds of things that challenge the continuity of delivery of the goods and services of higher education if you will, and they really invested in that continuity, and so I think when the pandemic came around. The they had long stress tested what it meant to transition to remote learning and teaching, research and service, and so I think in many ways they've been much better off than a lot of other universities that have been Laura a reactionary and in their responses, so it's actually been quite amazing to see how that learning has gotten to the point where they can respond in more affirmative and productive ways will all I can say is a huge loss Harvard. You are one of the leading thinkers on adaptation, and this as you know is going to become more important so two. Two lanes gain all right. We're here to talk about climate change and thirty year mortgages, and and I want to get a little bit of background here that I'm GonNa. Let you fill in details Christopher Val. WHO's a writer for the new? York Times recently came out with an article in it was called rising seas, threatening American institution, the thirty year mortgage and fascinating article, and some of the recent research that you've done that was used it and you were quoted in that article, but could you kind of quickly? Summarize what he was saying in that on your times article? Well they highlighted a couple of pieces of research that I've been leading with two different groups. One with my co author Jake Brand at the Kennedy School at Harvard in another with Marco Tedesco Caroline whole ques- at Lamont Doherty Earth Absorbs Columbia University. We were looking at two different things, but the main focus is you site with the paper on underwater? Writing on the gives a little bit of a theoretical foundation to this concept of blue lining was really centered on our appear cool findings associated with the activity of mortgage lenders, and our general thesis was this. There's different types of lenders. There's small banks big banks mid midsized banks. You have a local community bank on one level. We call these concentrated lender because they're geographically concentrated. And then you have someone like Bank of America, Citibank broad diversified lender across the country, and our theory was that with concentrated local lenders they have better soft information. They have better continuity of experience. Experience about knowing where places are at risk or exposed environment, various types of environmental exposure, some which may not necessarily be attributed to climate change. Some may actually have some formal attribution, the climate change impacts, but nonetheless we hypothesize it with these local banks, they better information in. It'd be able to better respond to that information so what we found in our analysis. and. This is based on actual observations of mortgage data is that in sea-level rise zones? These smaller banks are passing on the risk, essentially securitising. They're they're making mortgage loans, and then they're selling those mortgages on onto the capital markets in the secondary market, a good percentage of those are actually going to the federal via the federal government via what are called government sponsored entities. We know this Fannie Mae and government sponsored enterprises rather. We know this is a fannie. Mae and Freddie, Mac. But what they're doing is passing on that risk. And what we found is that they're? They're not only passing on that risk. They're doing it in a greater proportion in a greater level of activity within sea level, rise zones, then the big diversified lenders, and this is exactly what we anticipate it because it demonstrates provide, let's say arguably evidence of a signal that they have better information about these risks and exposures than the larger diversified actors, and we see this phenomenon, this behavior increasing over time, and this is very important, and we can talk about why that is I. Don't want to go too long, but it supports more picture because what we've seen in recent years as. As a merging literature that shows that in the housing market buyers and sellers are beginning to discount that is except less sell for less or offer laughs for housing in high risk, particularly sea level rise zones. Now we're seeing the mortgage markets, also having their own behavior and I think the big picture here is that the convergence of housing and the pricing of housing with the availability and ultimately pricing mortgages will converge, and they will converge in ways that could be potentially problematic, if not catastrophic for local economies in households themselves so what we'll go through that I do WanNa keep referencing back to the article, too, because I think it covered a lot of ground. Related to your paper, but in your paper in this issue underwater writing. I wanted to quote here and consistent with this theory. This article provides evidence that concentrated local lenders transfer risk, and you just said this in high risk, coastal geographies in the southeast in Atlantic Gulf coast through increase securitization of mortgages, and you sort of just said that, but as I read that I'm thinking the big short, and I saw the big short about a dozen times, and it took me that many times is to kind of figure out that lumping together of these risky mortgages. Is that a? Useful or correct comparison. He in many ways, what we're talking about is the concentration of risk right, and in the concentration of risk, we have systematic risk in the sense that when you concentrate mortgages within a portfolio or within a particular sector that has the potential to amplify impact other with other economic consequences, so for instance, this type of mortgage behavior may lead to maybe capitalize within housing markets, which means the ultimately purchasing power may be reduced housing prices may go down in some areas that may impact property tax rolls, which may impact revenue for local governments, which may impact municipal bonds, municipal finance and. And you can keep going on down that chain both directly, and indirectly of how these things may represent potential systematic failure so many ways. That's what they were getting out in the big short is these things accumulate their risks, and if you don't look at that cumulative impact for systematic financial risk, you've you're overlooking some very problematic things in in case in point, this is pretty amazing. If you look in the paper, we found that in any given year about fifty percent of all the mortgages that are securitized to the federal government, I say federal government Fannie Mae Freddie Mac. About fifty percent of all of those mortgages are within a one foot seal of right, so now see sea, level, rise or no sea level rise, mean, relative sea level rise is a great deal spatial Heterogeneity, great variation. Is and where it happens for a lot of different reasons, but. One Foot is nothing in the think that fifty percent of all the coastal mortgages in these areas in the southeast Atlantic in the Gulf coast are within a one foot sea level rise on normal concentration of risk both in terms of environmental exposure, natural variability and climate is attributed impacts. It's it's an enormous concentration in. I'm not sure people are quite familiar with that. Okay, in so the notion of that these these local banks just like all right. We want to get this off our our books, and then this last resort of in. Please clarify this, but you know Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae aren't those two government lenders stopping the free market from doing what it needs to do. Well you know. These are entities that were essentially private sector entities that had an implicit government guarantee that came to fruition during the great recession when the government essentially took them over. There has been a long standing politics about how you re privatize Fannie and Freddie, but there's no doubt that they do skew private market activity, and that's actually at the heart of their logic is market failure because they were essentially created after the great in successive periods after the Great Depression rather because there was a market failure in the sense that we didn't have long-term thirty year amortizing mortgages. We had very short term mortgages five. Five years years sometimes two years, and they were not fully amortizing was you had a big balloon note, a bunch of money at the end of the term, and so the government stepped in and said you know what we're going to stabilize this. You're going to have equal payments of principal and interest so at the end of thirty years. You've paid this off. You don't have a big balloon payment. And that was that helps correct market, failure and help stabilize our economy so sometimes. Engaging markets is a good thing because you're helping, correct for market failures, but ultimately I think as you suggest in undisciplined. Or a failure to look at climate risk is is a problem in it likely is skewing, some behavior or pricing somewhere along the ways that may arise so I think you're correct in suggesting that all right and I want to know a little bit more about these local banks in fact I think you're analyzing a lot of information from a thirty thousand foot level, but did you actually have a chance shot just matching even talking to a local banker and saying, are you of this climate risk? was there any of those kind of moments or have you heard anecdotally these local banks talking about that, or is it kind of play out differently? Well, it's interesting as a course of the research designer, the underlying methodology we didn't go out and interview bankers mortgage brokers in those within the broader system, but actually the origins of the research question why we took this on was based on my own experience, interacting with bankers, risk managers within the banking system regulators and the like, and what I found that it was a great deal of their ability or great variation I should say and how. How people assessed climate respite, environmental exposure, which we could extend the hurricanes, floods and other things that may or may not be attributed to climate, change impacts or to varying degrees. Let's say so what I found my own experience. Engaging with these people is that there was just a lot of variations on people did believe in it? Some people observe the flooding you know. Some people thought that they could manage this with the products themselves by. By changing the terms of the product, some people thought it was all about. Securitization is basically all over the place. There's sort of chaotic realm, and so what I wanted to get into to see if there was any kind of affirmative behavior that was essentially what we call a for a four looking behavior, and that's important, because one of the things in our controls were the tests that we looked at for this research was to see. See if these geographies that had higher. Let's say a activity of behavior associated with a securitization whether they had had an experience with flooding right, so maybe they were just responding to a particular extreme flood event, and that's why they were engaging it and what we found is that really had no statistical influence at all, which told us in part, or would support the proposition part that this is forward-looking behavior and so anyway long story short. It really varies between where you on the country. Belief Systems Management Strategies. It's really all over the place, but there is something to be said for these local concentrate winners, and they may not even be engaged in this activity with the belief, the strong belief that climate change is behind this. They may just be in some measure thinking. Having, observations about flooding inundation storm surge whatever that. May Or may not be related to climate change, but I think when you organize it within a sea level rise zone as we did, and we looked at the influence of different levels of sea level zones, right one three six feet, etc, etc, it's useful proxy for the behavior okay. Interest, I is a reminder to my listeners to. The work that you're doing the research. And of course the original articles this the implications of threat to this this whole idea of a thirty year mortgage in an at least that's how the article portrayed it especially in these coastal areas and more broadly, what your thoughts that just more like okay, well in coastal areas in high risk climate areas, and and I think it also alluded to. It's not just sea level rise. I mean wildfire. There's other homes that are at risk of climate change impacts. Yeah. That's right and I think we're GONNA see more and more research about that. Particular with wildfires coming online, the thirty mortgages returning to that integrate prompt because you know what we were looking at was what we call the extensive margin response away that you manage things about because you're managing your portfolio, but there's another way to think about this, which is that you're not just managing your portfolio. You're actually managing the terms of the mortgages themselves, and this is where you get to the idea of the conventional thirty year mortgage, perhaps being on the decline, and that relates to my other work with Marco, Tedesco and Caroline. At Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, and in that case in this is very much a merging research in were very I would say we're very much. In early stage, we looked at a number of different counties in the. Eastern part of the United States that had de leveraging money was coming out of the mortgage markets, and when we we've looked at this blindly with what we call fit coats. When we looked at the counties, it turns out that almost all almost all of them are coastal counties. So, he said well. What's going on here? Once we started digging deeper into a couple of case, studies in Florida South Carolina North Carolina what we found in these case studies is that. Banks were increasingly offering. So. There's a couple ways to look at a conventional mortgage. You can look at it. What loan to value ratio right? We put down twenty percent on a house for ten percent. Right somewhere in that range. That's that's one perimeter of conventional mortgage. Another parameters fixed interest rate as opposed to variable interest rate under a couple of other in terms associated this including fully amortized as I, talked about equal payments of principal and interest, but one of the things that we looked at that you could describe as a non-conventional mortgage is the idea that you're borrowing less than eighty percent of the loan to value ratio. You're to put down a down payment greater than twenty percent of the of the. In the and so what we looked at as the proliferation in these coastal counties of of mortgages, where you had to make these significantly increased down payments, functionally now to be able to get a mortgage on average, and that was I think very I opening because essentially what you're saying is that there's a premium now to live in a sea level, rise zone, and in places like more moderate income. Places like the Carolinas. You know you're talking about an extra twenty thousand dollars to down payment that you're going to need to live in an average home. And that's a that's a real premium and and I think when you looked at the proliferation of these non-conventional mortgages, it was telling that the market indeed was likely a responding to this level of exposure risk. Okay, one of the things in that it realizes was even an option, and I thought this was absolutely insane. There's. Interest only mortgages, and if let me explain, and you correct me if I have it wrong is basically when you buy the house, you're on an ongoing basis. You're just paying the interest on that house, and you're never really paying into the principal. And why would anyone WANNA do that? In the articles have been plies while if you WANNA walk away from that home pretty quickly or just not being. Being associated with that bigger of principle, that's why they do it and I just thought that was in Saint, but do I did I explain that properly? No, that's right. And that's based on some of the work of a man who was odd. WHO's economist up in Montreal at H., e., seem Montreal and basically what he found. Is that relative to the average utilization of these interest only loans which? which is about two percent I believe that you a bit about five times that rate of utilization in sea level rise sounds zones, and that's telling because basically says somewhere between the borrower and the lender. There's greater recognition that you don't necessarily want to build equity because that's what you're doing. When you have equal payments of principal and interest, you're paying down principal. Therefore, you're building equity, but if you. You take out just an interest only loan. It may not be able to easier to walk away. Article suggested because there's there's recourse prevents may be liable for it, but it. It's telling in the sense that people are willing to give up some degrees of appreciation. There's other things that are happening out there. That may be the confound are thinking relates to climate change worth acknowledging one is that. With changing tax APP mortgage interest deductions lose lose some of their power and tax deduction local property tax deductions, a number of different things that make all of this a little bit complicated is a little less certain, but I think the general proposition gentle. Take away from this. Is that when you have you see growth of interest, only loans in sea level. Level rise in flood zones. It's telling because it says you know what I'll live here, but I'm not necessarily concerned about building homeowner equity okay I tonight a follow up on. That is that that seems like pretty sophisticated thinking on behalf of the homeowner. That oh well. You know I know. This area is going to be fled. ANOS SEA LEVEL RISE RE. What percentage of owners really care about those issues. Yeah. So that's really interesting. This goes back to the work of Bernstein and his colleagues at the University of Colorado in Penn, state. Who Really published a pioneering article that looked at the this? Would I caught what we call discounting behavior, this buyers and sellers essentially selling in accepting less for homes, and what they found was that you know the the greater education wealthed that you had an wealth is a bit of a proxy for education the? Greater awareness that you had about the risks of climate change, which makes sense right, the better educate you are perhaps the more time that you have or the better education you have in terms of being able to understand climate science or how Hallett's communicated. Communicated whatever reason that is, there was a relationship correlation there, and what was very interesting when they looked at survey data associated with political affiliation in ideology, ideological affiliation or self-identification. It was essentially neutral in the sense that it didn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican really mattered. How well educated you were in terms of your discounting behavior in this really underscores the value of community education, wide, super important to advance consumer disclosure with climate risk, physical risks, and really engage people, so they can make more informed decisions about their. What would be in many for many people the largest financial asset of their household, so it's more surprising. I think we may recognize extent to which people are not only literate. But also seeking information in are concerned about climate change, and that is no doubt shaping their. Decisions I hope so too in that article in and I've had her on. The podcast is Dr Caroline. Kousky from the University of Pennsylvania there, and what happens in? She's quoted. What happens when the water starts laughing at these properties and they get banded. She's just sort of generally speculating, but I thought that was a provocative question, and that notion then what happens I? Mean, what do you think? Los Angeles of telling that when the New York Times went to the Mortgage Bankers Association for comment They came back said. Don't worry. We've got flood insurance. And I think that you know obviously that's an incomplete answer. 'CAUSE flood insurance doesn't cover inundation or loss, collateral, value or prepayment residents all these other. It only covers a very limited narrow range of potential risks. I think what concerns US among many people. Is this idea of kind of ski moment where you have this kind of rapid devaluation in housing, because people see the sort of cumulative risks that may or may not be priced, and I think in many ways that's where we're leading, and that's why I wanted to talk about underwater writing and blue lightning and underwater, writing the behavior from the bank's perspective in blue lining is the implication often the equitable implications associated with communities. That are facing several different things. One of which is a imprecise science as it's translated to investment decision making in mortgage markets that may exacerbate the risk whether they know it or not. This is one of the problems with underwater writing. Is that banks don't have great mapping? They don't have lot locked. Level specificity in flood mapping that technologist, not there yet and so people, just being grouped into census tracts or sort of course measurements, and that leads all kinds of things that are laissez faire, unfair about whether you actually should be playing. Ultimately what will be climate, premium or risk premium, but from a blue lining point of view I think it's worth recognizing that. One legacy of redlining is that we know the story I think it's we should know the story of redlining as it relates to mortgages, disinvestment mortgages and communities, but there's a less well known part of that story I think it should be recognizing this concept context. was that also related to disinvestment municipal finance disinvestment in infrastructure and now, and this is related to environmental justice right, because now with a lower quality, you have lower tax face arguably, but now you have lower quality inferior infrastructure to help manage some of that risk. Many communities, many coastal communities are sort of doubly at risk their living with this legacy, because now they have to deal with not just the risks of climate change, but the risks of a poor quality infrastructure to even manage climate change in its impacts on the margins and that I think will now amplify the legacy in the institutional legacy of redlining is a historical, but also very living. Reference Point to you know the institutionalized racism and marginalization country struggles with, but we have to understand that now at the present day in the context of mortgage markets, and that's why I think blue lining underwater writing are important. Parts of a language to begin to understand these problems, okay, so I encourage my listeners to go and take a look at the links to the papers that are potentially available in the article, but I guess I wanNA. Wrap this part of the conversation up What's next for you? Is there any research that you're going to do? That's going to be following up or just sort of expands story. Well, we're continuing to look at mortgage markets and mortgage market dynamics, and the extent to which various inequities may be outcome, various types of behavior, weather, intentional or not. There's just a lot of work there. There's a lot of work to be done in municipal finance in the bond side of things thinking about how we think about public and infrastructure, infrastructure, finance and unrelated terms. I'm very excited that in the coming sometime in the summer. Summer into summer. Probably we will be releasing the first comprehensive climate change publication by US financial regulator at the CFTC, covering the entirety of the financial system and I think it's a real benchmark for this country that we have gotten to the stage of memorializing a path forward in adapting to climate physical in transition, risks, climate change, but also thinking about how way resource our transition to a net zero economy, and the the equitable in. Association with those processes, so it's a huge advancement, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this shapes of public discourse in this country. Very. Awesome! Okay, let you go Jesse. You've talked about why you went to two lane. And what attracted you what it means for your career wise, but I guess drilling more into the weeds. What are your goals? Are you going to be working with graduate students? Do have classes that you've come up within your head. What are you gonNA be doing there? Well religious, doing the same body work done elsewhere in years past Teaching University Wide Courses Leonson Adaptation. which is what really gets me out of bed in the morning? 'CAUSE we're training next generation of leaders and analysts managers. Decision makers about how to appropriately utilize these concepts in the underlying political prowess of these concepts on to advance the decisions. We need to make to adapt to climate change, so that's critical and I'll teach other more specialized courses in the built environment, and of course, leading teams of students faculty in Climate Adaptation in the built. Barnard Research, so it's It's really just keeping the ship sailing. When things return to normal whenever that might be hopefully, we can collaborate on a podcast. Get to New Orleans and you can take me out for. I haven't had a good one in a long time, so. Lizama for cocktails at this point. Just wanted maybe something even stronger than Benes hand cocktails are. Exactly excellent in Jesse. We're finishing up this podcast conversation, but I'm about to have a conversation with U. Unsympathetic Oh. What are we? GonNa talk about I. Think we're going to carry this conversation forward. In as it relates to a real estate mortgages in the broader trajectory of this country of how we're going to think about everything from manage retreat to inequities that we live with in and are built environment. Well I'm looking forward to having a conversation with unsympathetic. It'll be a little different because we have to see each other. And I gotta get cleaned up a little bit before we normally I don't even dress up when I'm talking to you, so it'll be a little bit different that way. Listen I've got really good at cutting my own hair. So so you can, you can tell me whether i. see how good I think it's going pretty well. I think it's going pretty well I in that, I may never go to a barber again I think. and which is one of the few silver linings of this whole pandemic? It's looking increasingly likely that Georgia's not gonna be able to beat the gators this year, so if I can take any solace from football, not being played. If that was what happens when we can say that. You know I don't know I real- held. They don't have a football season. This year seems irresponsible. To do so, but you know twenty, twenty, one, twenty, twenty, one Jacksonville you and I. It's going to be a main. I like that all right, Jesse, always a pleasure, and until the next time you come on the podcast. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Okay it actors that rap thanks to Jesse Keenan for coming back to the PODCAST, always a treat to chat with Jesse. He's always in the thick of the latest adaptation research. Definitely, take a look at my show notes. If you want to dig in further into the research, he's done okay again. Don't forget to weigh in on the fifth national climate assessment draft process links on my show notes. Folks I've mentioned this many times four in. That's my work with Simpatico Studios. This is a big deal for me. Where I'm taking my interviews to streaming channel, it is still early days, but I've already done eighty plus interviews with guests from around the world. Actually is a bit surreal for me. In a two day span I might talk with people doing climate work from India Bangladesh, the United Kingdom Australia. We are really recruiting some just amazing people doing some amazing work, and it's not just adaptation we're. We're talking with people doing mitigation carbon sequestration, so it's a little bit broader than what I'm doing with the podcast and listen if you're interested in potentially being interviewed by me, yourself and you're in the climate space doesn't have to be about adaptation. Look at my show notes and check out the website. Website and see if it might be a good fit. And I think maybe you're confused by what I'm doing here. Literally climate TV that you would see on the Internet and it's not just about the interviews, but Simpatico is a platform to do your adaptation work. You're going to have to kind of look around to figure out what mean by that. Eventually it will be behind a paid firewall, but get in early and you. All you have to do is submit your name and email, and you'll get an invite to come. Check out the platform. Platform you can join in for live interview. Literally is I'm interviewing someone. You could be watching and being the chat room and asked me questions, and I'll answer them in real time or just go around. Check out the archive. Like I said there's eighty plus interviews in there and we're expanding. We now have climate Australia adaptation channel. We have new host. They're coming on seriously. There's no commitment from you at all. In the early phases of this channel, so it's just a great opportunity. Check things out. Okay so back to the podcast in yes they. They are two different things. If you're interested in highlighting your adaptation work in the podcast, let me know I've had many partners. WWF HARVARD MIT the trustees. Maybe WANNA. Tell your story via popcorn. Let's reach out. Let's partner. Let's brainstorm I also do presentations to classes and keynote presentations at conferences when we actually get back doing conferences, but feel free to contact me at America adapts Jamile DOT com. If you're going to learn more so final housekeeping to join that facebook page, the facebook community group, the group is private, but just emailed me and. We chat. Some people share their own work there. It's just kind of a fun. Let your hair down sort of area to talk adaptation, and on that note I love hearing from you. See every week and I always hear from someone doing some cool work doing some cool things from all over the world. Just say hi community. You know your recommendation for a guest. I would appreciate that, and it definitely is just a highlight to learn who you guys are, and I'm at American Jima Dot. com so I mean email together the website at America Dot Org. Okay adapters keep up the great work. I'll see you next time.

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Consumers and Technology Driving Innovation in Healthcare Delivery

"This is John Swift and you're listening to discover Lafayette a podcast dedicated to the people and rich culture of Lafayette the gateway to South Louisiana. We tape in the offices of Raider a hands on. It service provider that integrates all of your needs for advanced technical support. Effective communication options in cybersecurity raiders motto. Is You just wanted to work? We understand please visit rate solutions. Dot Com for more information. I'd like to thank Iberia. Bank our premier sponsor. They support our community in so many ways and their dynamic team is committed to serving the banking needs of clients in this region and throughout the southeastern United States. Iberia Bank offers the resources of a national bank with the personal touch of a community bank. Please visit Iberia Bank Dot Com for more information the generosity of Lafayette General Health. Also makes this podcast possible and we thank them for. 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See Dr Kevin Allison Professor at Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine and Dr Ziade Ashkar Louisiana Center for Health Innovation at U. L. Lafayette I hope. You've all states safe. Thank you for listening. This is John Swift. General Health System was a partner at beacon community connections even before there was an official beacon and seen Robinson was chief reason for that as the research innovation in real estate investment. Executive Director job is to find cool cutting edge ideas and implement them here. General has also held the position of Director of development operations and Executive Director of Foundation. Seeing is also an adjunct instructor at the FBI Moody the Third College of Business Administration at the University of Louisiana Lafayette and prior to working at Lafayette. General scene was director of to computer science based research centers within the University of Louisiana Lafayette's Research Department the Center for Business Information Technology and the Center for Visual Industry decision. Informatics easy for me to say and as well as a decades long entrepreneur in the information technology and management consulting field so our colleagues in many ways. I am happy to call him a friend. We make a good pair. I like to think a little bit of my bleeding heart has rubbed off on him and I hope some of his business acumen has rubbed off on me. I'm excited about the panel that seeing moderate and after telling us a little bit. More about what? Lafayette General is doing in regards to accents driving outcomes so welcome thank you so let me let me move into this to this panel. And what what we're really we're really looking at it. Our healthcare trends and patterns including disruptions. So before I get started I'd like each and every one of the panel members to take a couple of minutes to introduce themselves what they do for their organizations And maybe a little bit of insight into the panel so ladies. First Gwen few could go. Please good morning My name is Glenk Guide. I currently serve as vice president of payers strategies for L. HD group here in town. I'm actually a native Louisianan have spent most of my professional career in healthcare from a finance angle. And so I've cut my teeth in emergency medicine and then spent some time in the public policy world working for a local lobbying group and that allowed me to do is to buy those finance principles to our policy arena and really figure out what works. What's going to be a tangible option? How do we navigate some of those things that we all have to navigate to be successful in our ventures? Now I'm with L. H. C. Large Home Health and hospice provider that originated in appaloosas. We're currently in thirty five states. We have the ability to serve over sixty percent of the US population over age. Sixty five which is a really really great statistic and I think we should all be proud that it's here in our hometown And in in the role I play. I work with our traditional payers like Blue Cross Blue Shield to secure our revenue for the company so that when our nurses are caring for the patients we can. We can pay for them. Happy to be here today. Glenn Gould's can take this whole go. My name is Gerry. Road sign the CEO of action clinics. Which is a network of community health centers in southwest Louisiana covering about seven parishes? I'm a native New Orleans. Had the distinction of being on and what we refer to as big charity hospital and had the good fortune of training there. We were just discussing before the panel began the two lane connection that we all have here. So I did mine degrade a two lane. Medical School and residency to lane and in that role had exposure to a population of patients that I think in this society in this world. Consider the undeserved. So I'm an internist. While in medical school I received a scholarship with the National Service Corps that assigned me to Franklin Louisiana which is down the road from here. That was thirty seven years ago. I had a three year commitment. But you'll find one of the best recruiting to who can have is to get people to drink. The water OUGHTA marry young lady from the community. Which is what I did. So that was the recruiting and retention too and. I'm delighted to be here. Also the honor of being the president of the National Association of Community Health Centers which serves thirty million. People in the United States is the largest primary care network in the nation bigger than Kaiser bigger than the Va System. We have been in existence as Movement for over. Fifty Years Test Accident. Clinic is the oldest and the first community health center state of Louisiana. We'd be celebrating. We'll be celebrating forty five years in November and the population that was described in the previous session. That Camden mentioned was something that I was particularly interested in and I think we could bring that perspective as to challenges that are associated with that population. So I'm looking forward to the discussion. Thank you Dr Wilson Dr Calcium. Hi My name's Kevin. Kelly listen. I am a health policy and economics professor at Tulane University so again the two lane connection most of my work. Now that is not teaching involves Medicaid research so we are doing a kind of a large-scale evaluation of Medicaid expansion in Louisiana. We've we've done some work around access and health outcomes and we're continuing that work we're also now a lot of my time is being taken up by evaluating the section eleven fifteen demonstration waiver. You sit in Louisiana so since the approval of waiver. There's a kind of a five year evaluation process there that we're heading up so a lot of work around health policy that that involves the Medicaid population darker ashkar. My Name's Dash Carter. I've been practicing in academia now since one thousand nine hundred five doing that. Time also had different leadership roles most recently. I was the chief medical officer of Health for the best four months or so had honor of joining the Faculty of Nursing and then addition and director of Louisiana Center for Health Innovation to bridge a data science with health outcome research working towards improving healthcare outcomes for the population. Thank you thank you Dr to Gwen. We'll have you kick it off our. So what do you think is the single greatest disruptor in healthcare today? I gave it a thought I was trying to come up with something that wouldn't be duplicate of across the board but I do have to say that healthcare is late to the game on the consumerism movement. Right so we've seen in every other industry the voices of the ultimate consumer customer shining through. And we're starting to see that here with access available through mobile programs with the influence that people have through media. We just finally. The Voice of the patient is starting to shine through. I think that that's a welcome event. I think that that's going to hopefully bring bring a lot of things to the table. That can sometimes be forgotten and some. I'm really eager to see how that continues to develop for all of us. So why don't we? Why don't we just sort of go download? Actually I pulled an article. I think that set the table for me for the discussion it was. It was entitled to disrupted or disruptor. Which one would you be in that article that references. Some studies that were done but particularly to say is that companies that wait until the market demands a reaction that our greatest risk of being replaced with younger more agile organizations that already utilizing new technologies and so technology and I've learned some new vernacular when I was doing the research driving. They were saying that the United States economy as a whole there's only realized in eighteen percent of digital potential. So I think the challenge we have today in the digital world is to follow up. When you said it's how do we? How do we marry high tech high touch because as much as we can develop data and artificial intelligence that human factor the human element is still to me the X. Factor? That has to still be a part of the equation. I think Dr World so what we saw with beacon was the last mile problem. Which is we can put technology in place and risk or people. We can sit there and we can try to identify them and put their record in the any EHR but at the end of the day what it was was our killer. App was a phone in person. Would making that phone call to make sure that? These non clinical care coordinators navigators. Were making sure these people are getting the services that they absolutely needed absolutely Dr Alison. So I have two answers to this. Question is the short term answer in the longer term answer and I think I used to teach business school and there was a lot of talk about disruption. And you've heard this for years. I'm sure in healthcare and I think in the in the short term the answer is probably the biggest is the electorate and the elected representatives that change policy. So you think about the biggest disruptions that have happened in healthcare in the last sixty years or so. It's what creation Medicare Medicaid and the affordable care act expansion of Medicaid coverage so movement to pay for performance. I think these are the kind of disruptors. We're we're seeing the the near term as opposed to something like Amazon coming in and changing the way that everybody experiences healthcare but I do think to reiterate what's been said before I think in the long term this consumerism is really the the answer for disruption. You know. It's the customer experience in healthcare is not always great and in fact is often not great and in terms of technology adoption healthcare has been very slow to the game. I don't know how many of you are faxing. Your information industries outside of healthcare but healthcare has been a late adopter and a lot of that is because there's not a lot of competition driving these. These sorts of adoptions of these technologies so I'll save this for a question to be asked later but I think there's this competition and driving change in healthcare based on the consumer experiences something that in the long term. Maybe the biggest force this discussion. So I'm just thinking about it this way I mean I put it in perspective. I mean I think the major dry but the cost right I mean almost twenty percent of our GDP is spent on healthcare so all these disruptions are underway to bring down the cost now. We tried something the eighties nineties. Remember what was it for the HMO movement and one of the drivers for failures. For those what I mean we did not have good Internet. Then we've madly windows ninety five so the computer technology is advancing memories terabytes and the vice of data is advancing machine learning. You have deep learning. You have deficient intelligence. So all of these finally. Hey the data's there I mean it's always been there but now we can capture digital video audio imaging information so now we're trying to understand with advancing. Technology is how we can interpret and use it that so this is how you can do analytics. And this is what we're trying to do. For example for risk certification when you talk of population health the healthy ones how we can prevent them from getting sick and even does ratify what they live. What kind of conditions? We need to make sure that they don't develop any diseases. Proactive versus reactive and healthcare has been reactive the entire time. Dr Welby let me go back to the future. I'm kidding when I was a young medical student many many years ago. Forty years plus it was. Electrified futurist Dr. Hyman ironically. The same name as a center. It was to roll in New Orleans and he predicted in fifty years. Americans will be receiving their healthcare at a department store and I can tell experts show of hands of the audience. He predicted it was. GonNa be at sears. Because if you remember back then see America. What shot and yesterday's news if you saw Walmart opened in Dallas Georgia you talking about cost. Predicting they could lower the cost by forty percent of the model that they were in their model is the similar one that we use of Kuwait. Cs Have Onsite Primary Care Behavioral Health Dental lab and imaging so when you talk about disruptors access to care. That is a major factor. That's going to be out there that we're going to have to compete with. So can you continue on that fashion? I we you know are are at Lafayette General rate and now with our combating those non traditional entrance into our space. I mean we've already said Amazon with Dr O'Toole Wanda leading the efforts there. Cbs at Walmart or Walgreens or going to acquire human. You've got these nontraditional you know boxes essentially by entering the space. And they're saying we're going to take over. Chronic care and chronic conditions would be the providers. What does that do for you all in your models? When you're sitting here I can take that remember a intelligence. It's all about now. You're talking about me right. So these companies were so good in targeting consumers right. I mean go on Amazon. They know what book to read target. You and healthcare is waking up to it and you know what they're going into the spectrum of healthcare so targeting patients who are the consumers so this is why these companies are leveraging and to have to buffer the cost you need to do for vertical integration negotiators pharmacies to lower the cost because up to seventeen percent of healthcare cost. But the gory equalised. These things yes you know because smartphones fitbit's all the things that consumerism that you mentioned you know as patients and refer back to what you said earlier about the social determinants. I mean yesterday I was fighting not fighting trying to convince the woman to get a mammogram and she said you know I got my electric bill. Cutoff him I'd like to cut off. So the last thing on our mind was going to get a mammogram. I need to go back and to get my electricity turned back on but these smartphones and the fitbit consumerism and powers of that that gives them as well as providers you know in some of the articles are reading. And you think about the capability of what we have right now on smartphones. You can run so if I could do an ekg as an internist in heavy. Put your fingers. On Iran indicates he. I don't need an ekg technician or the machine back in the depth of respiratory to measure respiratory ultrasounds. Off of this. It's that automation. And I know you say politics earlier when I listen to Andrew Yang and he talked about the displacement of four million jars because of automation. That is something that. I think that's going to really have to be addressed as displaced people. Continue on this. I mean the home ecosystem. That's going to be set up soon my mind. Eventually you're going to be L. E. C. Group's going to be the one really doing the taking care of the people because you're able to set this ecosystem of devices that Dr Wilson just discussed and so I get down to the question of policy and payer at that point in time. The technologies exceeding. How do we get that to the table? Agreed and it was interesting because as you were saying well what does that mean for you. I thought great things from me right I think but remember this so the technology and the access and all of those things. The next generation doesn't value convenience the way we've value convenience because they've always had it and so they're gonNA place value on is. We're GONNA have to be prepared for that. And I would say that the price of doing business is to use our data to use our processes and to be efficient when you can retain that clinical excellence and that human touch at the end of that spectrum. That's when you've really done it and that's when you've served your patient population that's that's that's what. I think the goal needs to be. I think in particular population just serving up on my phone. I was gonNA play the Queen. Song for the millennials theme. I want it all how wanted now. That's why urgent care. That's why I think you know they want it and when you do the marketing the ten thousand people today in the country sixty five and older so home health in the services outside the office are credible. But for millennials date. Don't want a primary care provider. They WANNA go urgent care. They want to convenience. And so we're going to have to position ourselves to meet demands of what it's changing and those that don't interface. Don't do predictive or follow. Where where it's already too late for some people. If they're not engaged on that level Dr Collison. This goes back to the consumers idea. This is a great point for so long. Healthcare has not been very consumer friendly in the sense that you know if I need to go to the doctor. My doctor's offices open eight to five. Well I work eight to five. You know so. It's it's these kind of things. Dad We most of us are accustomed to. We know that dealing with the healthcare interacting with the health care industry is going to be a kind of a pain. It's GONNA take time. They're gonNA frustrations but this new generation coming up doesn't have those experiences may have different expectations and if those expectations drive where money is going and drive with a behavior that I do think that it has the potential to change things. The question though is. Are there going to be alternatives that allow for people with with different demand than older generations to really leverage those those alternative options and to push healthcare in a different direction? So darn cows. And I'm a Yankee. Okay so I'M GONNA use. Don't hold that against me. Oh I'm GONNA use a Yankee phrase. You always skate to where the PUCK's GonNa be an ought to where the puck was right. So where should we be skating to? What's the trend that you see? We should be skating well again. I think in the short term. It's it's tough to to project something like this. Because we don't policies change and those policy changes come with different regulations. And it's really tough to navigate these these things when you're dealing with a heavily regulated industry like healthcare but in terms of thinking into the future. I do think that there's going to be a point where we have to see whether healthcare is an industry decides to continue along the same path. That's been going or whether it adopts embraces some of these these consumer things that are more friendly to consumers and I. I don't think the industry will do it on its own. I think it's GonNa take some sort of outside motivation whether that's easy. No regulatory or whether it's competition from from somebody like Amazon or somebody coming in and that may that may drive those changes. So yeah I think healthcare traditionally has been kind of ski to where the Puck was not where it's going. I think it's always tough. Especially when you're straddling these two environments we've been reactionary industry and you have to be you go towards the high risk patients and you try to resolve for that. What I'd love to see us do escape towards the health and maintain that health and so if there is any way to balance the two and identify how to how do you. How do you address high risk? And how do you get better but all the while? How do you prevent the high risk from happening in the first place? What do you do with your children? What do you do with your young adults? We've got the ability to foresee things before they happen so now we got to harness that and actually prevent the high risk from from taking place mean interject a little southern religious philosophy. Janke here all the flexible for it was shown shape. And if you're not agile dynamic and you're not able to Dapitan you will be extinct and Agreed Example Rene stands very with tobacco free living than we've been working on passing ordinances and getting folks in all the different towers. We're in Saint Mary and Tara Bone of banning tobacco and smoke smoke free facilities and then what pops up this in crisis that way ahead of the curve so in a handsome multi pronged approach so primary prevention is critical so policies and pine and things that we're doing in school systems to the dare programs and things that are preventing kids doing substance use doing that that's critical but then when you have these crises you have to be. We're going to have to pile some policies that are going to ban these products you know. Smoking kills two regular tobacco. Smoking kills but not instantly like vaping does so now. You have to be adjustable in in an legislative session now. Laws are being drafted right now to do. We have to do. Educate some parents that are in their mind. They thought vaping was safe. You know so now so you never know what's coming around the corner. I had the Good Fortune of coaching. Charing governor healthcare transition team. I can tell you. By Medicaid Making Medicaid expansion and the states. That didn't have we made a tremendous impact on those four hundred fifty thousand people that are now on Medicaid if the election election brings a different change in administration and gets disbanded. Aca GETS overturned. You're going to have this total disruption in Healthcare Delivery System Z. What do you think when we? I'm sorry Dr Ash Carter Longtime so when we heading is an interesting question. I found futurist. I think the future is precision medicine which is advancing so much genomics and their DNA analysis and if combined that with big data able to target specific disease entities and. We're able to focus on college. Pioneers with specific genomic targeted therapies. But it's going to flow across all disease spectrum and it's not only be to treat disease it's going to be tourist stratified to prevent disease so I think the genomic data is going to be our future and our not be surprised in five ten years that precision medicine is going to be taking lead. Thank you so I'm going to sort of switch gears a little bit. I have the pleasure of running a couple of investment and innovation funds for Lafayette General. So we can come in and work with these companies that are startups and and get them some seed funding and then use our sandbox as respectfully L. Seeger was part of our our second fund and use us our horsepower of the ecosystem to to bring these companies market. And so then I'm going to ask you if he stepped out of Your Role L. E. C. Group and you were coming to seek funding from the Innovation Fund Company. Would you be bringing to the table? Thank you for putting me on the spot with John. Because he mentioned that he would be asking something along the lines of bringing something new to the industry. What would that be an? I struggled quite a bit with that and I'm afraid I might disappoint the audience because I don't my role is not to be bringing anything new. I'm not a I'm not a futurist. I'm not a visionary what I do best is I make things better or I create a process around something that's tangible. And so what I would actually like you to do. Is Ask me to sit on the table and evaluate those programs. Because I think what I can do. Well is legitimize. Business concerns thinking about the economics and thinking about the policy also thinking about the application to make sure that we are focusing our energy investments on. It's something that's going to stick to the recording this. I'm going to play that back and when we have a company it's through the vetting process you will be at the table. Okay Dr Ashkar what do you think what would you do? How Conduct Symphony Orchestra out of big? I'd like to do anyway. You don't know is he's a fabulous musician and he plays in the band right so think if you if you could pay him. When he gets paid to play the keyboard and conduct he'd be done so specially you will be. That's very interesting because I had to put my thinking frame as a physician and everything else but if I'd like to do things like to more on prevention because unfortunately most of the cost goes into the terminal diseases terminal stages says if we can have some alignment between strong research data science informatics genetics genomics and the line or the payers and providers and patients and everyone was prevention for example when you look at Louisiana ranked number fifty and many get outcomes hypertension diabetes kidney disease mortality that is common denominator for novelist. We city so if we can find some more specific information is it only exercise or some genetically tournaments then. Some geographic determinants is some other issues so these things that would be interested to do more and I hope we can find some sort of. I think if I had a good answer to this question probably be doing it not doing what I'm doing now but I think the boring answer would be that I. I think I understand payment systems and changes around payment policy pretty well so you know consulting in an area like that. I think the more interesting answer is is this point about prevention and you mentioned obesity and I think that's important. I also think personally education if you look at correlates between the longevity and good health education is probably. The strongest predictor of that so by my passion would be that we promote education as a way to improve. Health Outcomes Dr Wiltz. I'M GONNA go back to what I said in the beginning if you could figure out a way to marry high touch with high tech the human element has asked absolutely has to be a component of it but Howard get patients empowered to use the day to collect the data to make informed decisions and make the lifestyle changes that they need to make half of what we Swedish preventable disease you know and changing culture and I think what's being held today you with. This summit is a key to because the answer that we need in the country is not going to be crafted out of Washington. Dc or state capitals. It has to begin from local communities. Like you're doing here No one can save us from us but us but if you put in a room a strategy where everyone in I like to break it down to what I call metrics that matter going back to what was just said. You know you're talking about obesity smoking when you teach medical students you can teach them all the pharmacology all the things that we teach them but if you can get someone to have a healthy pregnancy with a healthy child with normal birth weight and never begin. Smoking doesn't become overweight exercises. Eat right and things that they need to do and has all the preventive things then you can have a healthy population. Then you mix in the social determinants component and then you can make a difference but until that time you have to have a multifaceted approach so I kind of do have an idea it would be to use the analytics and the social media much the way that Amazon knows that I want to order some new bare minerals makeup before I even logged on to figure out what makes a person tick and then get in the way of that or get in front of that conscious decision to make about decision right so on Monday. Morning flew out in. My Watch reminded me that I normally do a lot better by this time. But it's those things what kind of APP. But what kind of device can we create that harnesses the things that determine its or the Genetic conditions that are putting down around pat the wrong path and then gets in front of it to help us navigate into a better one. So I'm going to open this up to the entire panel and we have a room full of healthcare professionals not just clinicians but administrators and all kinds of folks here. If you had one piece of advice to offer them what would it be? Obviously listen to the people that you're trying to serve and get feedback from the people that people wanted to. I root of medicine courses. I mean no harm. Medicine professor used to tell me people will tell you what's wrong. You just have to listen so I think if you do the right. Someone mentioned earlier by the community needs assessment. You can figure out what the community is desiring and and try to meet that need. We call it being community responsive so that would be the advice. Try to tailor make it too. Would begin with the end in mind of people recognized as the problem. Say always ask why. Innovate and stay up-to-date speaking. Did Anyone Watch Youtube? Boris Johnson the feminists talking about Ai. I it's very interesting. I O J just to go and see is predicting we're going to have terminator read is invading. Earth and we can have electricity. I mean it's very interesting to see how people perceive is going to happen in the future. It's sort of when skynet becomes self aware is what we're waiting for for those of you. Who are old enough to understand that reference. Yeah I mean I don't have any any real good piece of advice other than the fact that I think the discussion. We've had around health behaviors and things that influence. Our health. Outside of medicine are are critically important. I think if you look at the gains we've made in longevity and improvements in health over the last half century or so most of it's been behavioral. It's and the reduction in smoking rates. It's been the other improvements that we've made outside of direct healthcare. And so you know the one thing I really interests me. We've talked about vaping. And we've talked about some of these behavioral. That's kind of what I'm interested in. Keeping an eye on so so policies that can improve health one of the areas that I'm doing some research and now is paid sick. Leave and some of these things that aren't directly related to medical care but we know are correlated with improvements and health later on so I I'd like people to pay more attention to those sorts of things. My advice would be that. There's always one true north and it is that there's an interaction between a clinician and patient and that is the most important part whether it's a doctor or a nurse or a social worker or even just somebody providing access to care. That is the moment that we're about and we need to be standing in support of that so I think we have a few minutes until offer some QNA so if there are some folks in the audience that would like to ask our our panelists. Yes ma'am Dr Overlay. I'm sorry I've got like a spotlight right in my face. Thank you great. Great thought provoking questions and answers. What can we learn from other countries? I think we can learn a lot from other countries on things that we can do better. We have young people who have all of the opportunities in the world who are in our top educational institutions. They're stressed anxious they. They don't know they. They don't know their way forward. What can we do better and take lessons from other countries? I think the proof is in the data that we don't have we don't enjoy the life. Expectancy is some of the other countries. I kind of like the French. You know a drink wine and relax and third hour work weeks and do other things. The Mediterranean Diet has been proven to be one of the most effective diets. I you know I like the World Health Organization definition of health. You know and I have the good fortune of being on the board of Trustees of osteopathic medical school and their tenant is the spiritual and mental. They D- what all the elements that you've mentioned and there's a spiritual component that I don't think we recognize. I don't WANNA sound like this Williamson candidates real but I do think that's a component. There are lessons learned that we can. We can learn from the the lifestyle. I think is what you're referring to the American lifestyle the rat race just that that component crucible you add that on top of all the things that we do to ourselves and it sets us up failure so I think we have to address that so we spend a lot more money on health care than other countries do we spend almost twenty percent of our GDP. The average developed countries spends about half that on healthcare and our outcomes at least if you measure in terms of of longevity mortality rates. They don't look good as other countries. So how much of that is attributable to medical care and how much of that is attributable lifestyle to lifestyle questions that we don't know the answer to but it's pretty clear that we're spending a lot more and not getting as much as some other countries and I think the answer to that question is why that's the case is is really important and I'd like to keep digging to understand that but I don't think we have a great answer for that question yet. Yeah I would also just echo. That actually was in France this summer and I watched a home. Health nurse come in and Performance Service on my mother-in-law actually and the total cost for her visit with four zero. It was harder to make change than it was for to pay her. And and so I don't know the answer. I don't know how you get there but I really would like to find out and I'll certainly go back to France for longer if anybody wants to. I think the question quick conversation. Thank you brother the Cruise co-chair for a healthy Kitty Anna discussion consumerism. Some of the words that jumped out from you as combatant competition pain frustration so far the organizations truly going to embrace that consumerism as we move across. And that's the topic of trends. Do you see that trend. Ever moving into early childhood centers and or schools so that we can get them that access earlier to Bradley. I'm actually going to try to help with that. One too. Just moderate so one of the platforms were absolutely consumers and consumerization of healthcare is immensely important lafi general and whatever sort of version. We are in the next few years. Okay right first. Let's talk about schools. That's why we did the school based Health Program say. Marin perished fully covered. We have money to roll out from the USDA grants received for vermillion Acadia parish SLC Lsu. We we believe to mean people where they are and I think that that's something we've gotten away from right. We created an out that right. Now you all could go and I I think Blue Cross Blue Shield has the same back end provider that we have that you could go and do telehealth visit right now in this room and visit with one of our physicians right so we understand that but we're not yet really really good at it right. And so he knew who kicking their behinds. It's the CVS of the world that have with Dr Carr was talking about. Are The predictive. Analytics are buying pattern. They know what we're buying and they know how to treat you and so we have to move down that spectrum. I spent a lot of my time in management consulting in it. Before I got here and a lot of work within finance I can tell you back in the nineties. We were figuring out how you all were banking and then we were telling you how you should bank right and we told you what the delivery network should be and so we were able to score you and say this person's really Mac and online banking and push you in that direction. We're going to be doing that at Lafayette General using the data that we have to be able to do that type of predictive. Analytic that says. Hey we think this person's going to need axe and then reach out to them through these various different near on networks or risk based contracts where we get into to be able to provide act so yeah we are moving in that direction Bradley absolutely. Yeah let me. Just follow up on that as you know. There's a two goal. Ace predict adverse events that can predict that so. They'd call a lot of what you were talking about. So knowing those things in China intervened. That's what I'm saying if you do the analytics and you do the interventions that can you know that if they follow this pattern that's gonNa lead to that outcome and do the intervention at the appropriate time you just having a conversation about aces so adverse child experience. It's a score and really what it does is I'm going to say to you. This trauma is the gateway drug. Right trauma causes a lot of the problems that we see in youth and adults. And if you're under able to understand that and so I sit on the boards of Casa Court appointed special advocates for South Louisiana. And the boys and Girls Clubs mckanie. Anna and we're beginning to as our club. Kids come in or these kids. We're taking care of your costs that they're getting acer scores and that helps us better. Treat them in the environment. They're in any of the club or with one of our advocates. It's absolutely essential questions. Kisha Angeletti with two three to help. I just had a quick question. I know we mentioned all the different things as far as Louisiana being last and we talked about you know what other countries doing. But I'm interested in knowing because some of the things mentioned that I've heard we should have this that we should have already do but it's isolated. So what do we have in other areas of the state or would we have another areas of this country? That's out Louisiana? Needs to be implementing. Whether it's the APP that you discuss or anything that you all have seen somewhere else that is tangible that we can implement here in South Louisiana where we can be on a level playing field. I think I may be the oldest one on the panel so I can the most frustrating thing. I've had my whole life experiences. I've been on every healthcare reform panel since Edwin Edwards and for the last twenty five years. United Healthcare Foundation's rank Louisiana. Forty eight forty nine fifty. They don't dislike rank you they tell you the metrics that news that are involved in ranking you. That's followed by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. It does the county health rankings that ranks every county in the United States. And I think that is the roadmap that we should be looking at. As as I said earlier you can't craft out of DC or Baton Rouge you have to break it into units that you can eat an elephant one bite at a time so you have gathered here today and what you building upon and worked at Holly. That's what you have to look at the metrics that matter because I can tell you. Saint Landry power says different than than Franklin parish says. Do you have to look at the people in those communities that are going to make it? Sustainable that's what happens. We every new administration that comes in his thought process. I remember when Fred so resource head of D. H. H and we're GONNA move the rankings from forty eight to thirty nine we put. The plan together accounted governor Blanco. Went all around the whole region. We were doing these things and then administration changes and you have a whole set of different folks. It's the people in the community. They have to take ownership and sustain. It is the people that don't born work. Educate eventually pass away in. This community is going to make the difference duck-ish car. I think partnership I think the patients individuals physicians State Policy Levels. I mean there are so many advances going on in the state of Louisiana for example. The project cure hepatitis. C. is a major ordeal. That's going to happen. And that is a plan to hopefully cure that disease within five years and the texts partnerships to do that so for example the state how we can leverage that in addition to payers are really taking very progressive move. I mean I was himself Louisiana yesterday and has significant core technologies to try to work on population health prevention. Sometimes even having some no copay for some kind of groups or sending nurses at home to prevent diseases and illnesses I think it's thinking teamwork leveraging older intellectual capacities we have among groups. And we're going to get there and I think we are and I think that especially for this group. One of the things that can be mentioned the payers. We're going beyond the medical intervention and looking at social determinants right food and then those types of things and so honestly when we get to the communities. They're going to say where you been. We've been working on this quite some time. But it's I think we're we're kind of witnessing the convergence of that where they're starting to be more interest and more money behind it and more recognition that building those supports whether it's boys and girls club or the food farm like the food distribution channels. All of those things contribute toward the overall health of that that patient population. I thought I saw a question somewhere in the middle or we got one and then I think too and then we're GonNa be done okay. Hi I'm saying I'm paid for Health Utilization Aetna I'm actually more interested in the millennial statement you mentioned before it was a joke. Wanted to doctors mentioned just I want it all in speaking from a millennial perspective. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I prefer a PCP that I have a relationship with. And I'm just curious to know. What are your ideas or perspectives on the advantages of it and technology as it relates to your practices. Because I did hear something about consumerism and furthering that ribbit but what what helps kind of build that bridge so when Dr asked what other countries do differently. Care is very personal. I think we've over. I'm going to hate to say I think we over technology healthcare a little bit and we've gotten away from one person taking care of another right now. Can we do all that? We're talking about with deep data. Big Data absolutely. Can you have a relationship with a PCP through with telemedicine visit? Maybe but at the end of the day it really is. I mean you know. I started off our magic APP at beacon when we started it was the telephone and a wonderful voice on the other end of the phone making sure that that person knew that they were care for a loved and were being provided services. I`Ma go back to what I started off with high tech marrying high touch people want to be. We have to teach medical students how to interact with people. You know we have to put your hand on someone to comfort them that that is just insane that we have to teach caregivers or healers how to do that. But that relationship that you describe is the idea in my mind you know. And but marketing keeps telling us that millennials for the most part and you are probably outside that fought but people still at the end of the day. One human touch voice to interpret. You can go to web. Md Oh you want I can tell you when they get a patient thought and they get a value. It's not pathologic. But they freak out because they don't know how to interpret it so we will always be a need. I think because they've not interpret the data so but that new candy substitute to me that relationship thank you. I actually SORTA restate what y'all are saying because I do think this issue the description of the authentic healing relationship I think is just so important I would guess that every one of us in here has decided not to take the medicine that's been prescribed or not to follow through with it or not to do what the doctors telling us or not even quit smoking because it's not always just education and knowledge. There's something else about whether we believe the person who's giving us the advice where we trust them whether they believe that they're going to really they really are in our in our in our world and so. I agree with you. The Society of marrying technology. We have to do things differently but we also cannot lose that sense that we are being cared for and I loved the quotes that we heard earlier today about the people who are experiencing the complex the complex patients. But what's most important to them? You know it's it's being cared for. We've seen that. I will just add one more little thing here in this area puncture. Most of Y'all know many of you probably know about the early maternal and early maternal and infant early childhood home visiting programs. That are in right here in this community and it's home visiting by nurses starting during pregnancy in the first two years of life those programs have huge data behind them in terms of prevention and they do many of the same things that were very much relationship focused a strengths based reaching people where they are and these mothers and these babies were making tremendous changes so anyway that is here in this community so I just I just think relationship relationship relationship always darker a behind me about give. Give us the Hook Gwen. Dr Ash Carter. Dr Wilson. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to come talk to us today. And serve on this panel palm.

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Bryan Cranston #3

ID10T with Chris Hardwick

1:20:32 hr | 2 months ago

Bryan Cranston #3

"Welcome to the podcast number. Eleven o four. I apologize there was a little bit of like a two week. Almost a two week gap in between the last episode in this one. That's going up because we shot the next season of the wall about that time and shoot him in about a week and a half or so. The walls premiering january fourth so you are fourth season. It was really fun But our days were really long twelve thirteen hours long and you know also longer because we were taking extra steps to be extra safe very strict protocols in place as as they should be and just make sure it was safe to shoot but it was really fun to be back on set and working and giving away money to nice people and as you probably hear my voice is shot. Because i've literally been shouting for like we can have on the wall. No go with the million no there. Oh no i'll turn red so and it was just like a couple of talking dead. A handful of talking heads over the summer ever literally not done. I haven't worn. I have a blister some feet from wearing a shoes with the suits. Because i haven't worn suits and so long not complaining at all not complaining. Very thankful unfortunate to have been able to to do this but it just it was like a whole other gear to get back into super super fun though again january fourth. Those are those are going to start premiering. The wall on nbc. But i'd love to for the cork board today. The community quote board. Idt dot com of an old friend of mine berry and his friend. Jason have a company called barry and jason games and they've made some really fun games and they kick started and officially licensed anchorman game. So he writes. It's really funny. Game based on the moment in the movie where. Run burgundy's teleprompters sabotaged. And he reads whatever's in front of him. So now it is your turn to sabotage teleprompter with ridiculous magnetic words as your friends. Try to read through the news without laughing. So i highly recommend anchorman. The game from my friends And jason. they sent me one leading. I have not had a chance to play. Because i'd been working but But we certainly will and a fun fun. Christmas present anchorman the game. So you can just google anchorman. The game or going amazon. It's on amazon. You can get it there as well so there. It is congratulations to bury jason for making making a fun game to help distract people all right so this episode is bryan cranston whom i looked up because i remember the first i knew he was on the podcast early early early on and i'm looking at upright now. First appearance on the podcast august. Twenty fifth two thousand eleven. We had met. I don't know like a month or two before that we both had done. The conan o'brien show and and i was like. Hey man i'm doing this thing and we. We had a ton of fun on the show and brian. So funny and ricky. And he's he's really amazing comedy guy. I mean you know. Sometimes people have to be reminded before breaking bad. He was malcolm in the middle. And he done sitcoms for years. But he's just a great actor top to bottom overall but also really funny and an improv and so we had a really great time. And i think i remember the times could even explaining what what the podcast was back into those a like a radio show but for the internet and this is funny that we've come full circle of podcast where eleven years ago ten years ago. Almost eleven. when we started doing this we're still in the space for to explain. What a podcast. This and now every now feel like all those people we would've explained job to podcast podcast now. So listen we're on the right track. It worked and so he's been on several times throughout the years. And i got to do the talking bad after show for breaking bad but i just adore him. He's just so sweet so funny Just a really smart guy and also really comfortable in his own skin which is something that he's talked about on the podcast for years and something i really admire. He just doesn't really get too worked up about any unnecessary things and And is very focused on what he wants to do and just does things that he enjoys and his family. So i love you bryan cranston and he has a new show which is called your honor which is on showtime and looks amazing. When you see the premise for it he explains the podcast. But if you watch the trailer ford it's like oh this is going to be one of those ones where you're just on the edge of your seat the whole time It looks really really really fantastic. So thank you to bryan cranston for coming back on and continuing to be a a wonderful human being and friend here. Oh and by the way recorded this about six weeks ago. I think six seven weeks ago and i had just held it because this is around the time. When you're on our premiered premiered a week ago. So there you go your honor on showtime bryan cranston on this podcast you on your device listening to this podcast me on this podcast saying or roll the thing initiating oury man i'm kind of you don't worry about it i mean i got no fucking place to go. We're in a kind of accord team. So it's like you. It's fine to be late now. I'm in i have to do this on my iphone. Because i'm in new orleans shooting A limited series. And i have no power from the hurricane took out my powers so i've been tried to power borrowing electricity from people in the midst of all that you still came on to do this. Podcast that is. Of course one of the reasons i love you so i have my little power. Pack year that i'm gonna plug into. Yeah i gotta. I gotta plug it in here so This podcast could be like twelve minutes long ready to go. You know the the thing that i've discovered about life that of how long's your power been out since wednesday night. Oh my god yeah are are you. Okay i am. I'm gonna now upside down. So that mic cord can roller coaster. Am i right side up to you now. You are your grades. Your perfect see now. You look sideways to. I'll have to do it sideways. You great looks great. Okay okay do anything should get on my new your floyd. We're just gonna rip the audio from this but it's just nice to see your face. It's thanks bye-bye youtube Man i you know. I was just flipping through like suggested instagram videos. The other day. And i saw this video it was you holding walt You take the walter white mask off and it's you underneath and i go That's really funny. And then i hear this familiar voice. And i go. That's wait that's me. I'm moderated completely. Forgot like eight years ago. Just watch us go. Oh my god. That's so fucking cool. Break it since under that. Walter white masks and the boys go. Hey that's grants go. What the fuck. That's me like. I know what's going on anymore. Yeah well this new world has got us spending a little bit. I don't you feel that you're like little spun out spun out but i think it's also just getting older to where it's like the it's just like you only have so much ram there's only so much memory you know in the old computer and sometimes you know it just makes room for things. Oh my god you have you been how long you been in new orleans. Well we started over a year ago to do this limited series for showtime called huron. Her own. I saw the trailer. It looks real stressful. It's very stressful. We need to add a little more stress to people's allies stress. That's why we gotta do. It's a really good show and were excited about it. We started last september september of nineteen. We got shut down in march like everyone else and i had covert nineteen so to my wife. Oh my god yeah. It was We were as it turns out. We're very lucky in that. The symptoms were very mild. We had like body aches for two or three days but not bad enough to keep you in bed just like i just don't quite feel right. It's at feel i. I need to sleep more. Just total exhaustion and then my our senses of taste and smell went away for three months and low. It's been coming back. And so now. I my taste might taste buds and my sense of smell are probably back. Seventy percent only god so you got a really early on in march early march. Yeah the net and that was did you know right away or did you find out afterwards that you had the antibodies so you suspected that that's what it was a new right away only because my wife We have dr lives across the street from us in. It was so early on. There weren't many people testing. He said you should take this test okay. And she didn't she had it but we have been together For ten ten days in thought. Oh well she's got it. I've got it And sure enough. A few days later. I started of feeling the same symptoms that she had. It was weird so we shut down in laurens. We had about two and a half episodes left to shoot and so then seven months later as we all know Now we came back about three weeks ago to finish shooting and we have had some false positives. But we're testing three three times a week. Entire cast and crew and is very very strict and rightfully. So we've and we've had some false positives which is great that they're false but it also delays us is our schedule is concerned because they have to isolate people who tested initially positive in raleigh until he confirmed that they're not it's like. Oh my god right. We're all trying to figure out the protocols in how to work within it and so we actually work in shields. We have these shields that you wear around your neck that goes up as opposed to the ones you wear around your head. Yeah yeah so that it doesn't a markup our face or our hair you know for actors we take the shield often do the scene and cut cheese. We put the shields back on twitter. Where those cones to so it doesn't mess up their makeup sex and also to your arm. They won't you that you don't. You're not supposed to choose your arm either. Was both either. Make up or to your or chew. Choon your arm. I men. I can't believe you know this is like you tom. Hanks like you guys had it early on like you it. It seems like was it scarier at that time because it was obviously still a mysterious disease but it but it was way more mysterious in march. So what was it. Was it stressful per se or was it like well. You know i mean. We don't feel terrible. So i guess we'll just count our blessings there. I think the the ignorance is bliss. Scenario was more apropos because it wasn't wasn't widely known There was everyone was talking about. It's coming how severe it's going to be how each individual reacts to it is is going to be a of question so we just didn't know and then when robin went through its first and Seemed she seemed to manage. Okay and then. I got it We kind of went through it and despite the week long feeling absolute exhaustion fatigue Then we're pretty much past it. With the exception of the taste buds in the sense of smell. But we how long before you had a negative test again. Was you start testing regular after that because really actually weren't a lot of tests available early on. Yeah well because i would. Cbs which you know and showtime They wanted me to test to make sure that 'cause i was around a crew one hundred and seventy five people and so i did get in and once. I was shown that i was now negative that that was a good sign in and i started donating plasma because my antibodies were active in. So i did that. Ucla medical center donating plasma. And you know doing what what you can To try to see if he can help out and you know. This is so insidious kobe because it goes anywhere from even less symptoms than i have being completely asymptomatic all the way to death. You just don't know you have no idea and it doesn't matter my assistant a young woman. Who's thirty four years. Old in peak of health had much worse than i did. Why i'm in my sixty. She's in her thirties ranch. She was bedridden. i have a an what am i. E agents also young in his late thirties. He told me is that it felt like an elephant was compressed on his chest. He couldn't struggling to get air. And so it's it's wide ranging. You don't know it's a it's a spin of the wheel to find out how you would react to when you contract it. And so that's why just wear the mask you know we're in a world where just do it because i say it doesn't are feeling my wife and i feeling in. She's she is a little bit high of a risk because she has some kidney stuff that it and so we've been extra extra careful but also it's like yeah you might get it and it might be mild but then the person that you could give it to. It might devastate them. So it's like you know really like cut into just kind of people realize that kate yet is about you but it's also about the community and it's also about not spreading it to other people and try to imagine that you know i. I think there's a. I hate to say it but i've been somewhat disappointed humanity as you know what american humanity of out. Not wearing the mass. You know i went for. I always go for long walks just to clear. My head went for one the other day and here in new orleans. There's a place that a lot of the tulane university kids go and liz. Massive amounts of of college age kids from loyola to lane and watching the sunset and playing frisbee. and and. that's all great. Maybe three people out of the masses of people were wearing masks. Maybe man okay all right so yeah you. Nothing may happen to you and i and i granted was i the same way when i was. You know late teens or early to absolutely the thought of as i'm not gonna i'm fine. I'm not gonna catch this. I'm i'm healthy. I'm greatness not going to happen and you're right and and like you said you could get a and nothing happens but if you go visit her old aunt and uncle or grandparents it's not the same thing. Yeah i mean it is so taking walks every day is how you've been kinda dealing in sort of is that because we got. We got a dog in february and we have been taking him on evening. Walks and as someone who's never taken evening walks before. I developed a real love for it because it's it's incredibly therapeutic. It really is. It's also getting back to the age things. Yes you're aging. Chris and other people out of me. I'm always twenty-three in my head right. Isn't that works though you know what would the first thing is when it's gonna hit you want cranston's guide to you and your wife and your dog aren't going to go for a walk and there's going to be some college kids walking by looking at you and your wife and and they're going to go all. Isn't that cute. They can stay in love forever and like oh my god and then and then inside. I'll just have this silent well of hatred for their youth. That's not their fault. But is just like yeah. Yeah don't even look at us got damage in my day. Yeah i've listened. We already doing that because we we've already you know we had the same experience we'll just like drive by a park and there's this people and unlike like that old person meltdown wanted you to shut out the window. Don't get off my lawn but then also asking as you're getting off my mask on mask on while you're getting off by line and pick up dog. Poop bring an extra mass scoop up. The poop usually empty mask on your face. Yeah i don't know man. I'm so glad you're okay. And i'm so glad you look you look great. You look incredibly healthy. You know it's you you somehow you you somehow. I listen your aging backwards. Because i remember you're on the podcast maybe eight or nine years ago and you were talking about let you go. Yeah you know. I used to ride around the motorcycle all the time. And i never wore sunscreen or anything. I got all this crag now and that's all gone. You look really you look great. What are you doing. Your moisturizing are you. Are you eating more vegetables. I need secrets chris. i'm. I'm i've looked this way for twenty years and finally looking my age. It's like i don't do that. You are listen. don't piss me off. okay i'll be. I'm on my phone. I don't have power. Had covert a few months ago on the fucking. You know your your sweetheart Now you just trying to. It'd be better to yourself. You know you realize you your body's going to change your metabolism changes You know i never before had think about diet and weight and how what to eat when to eat how to eat. Now i do. It's like you got to. It's if you want to feel good. You have to be more restrictive whereas when you know when we were in our twenties you could do anything you want. And you're you are in and it's like you were. It was great. And you think it's always going to be that way and is not going to know. So i mean yeah i pour the moisturizer on a drink lots and lots of water water. Water's good a little bit of moisturizers. Always good and then also like i. I really do think stress is that. Well i mean yet. You know alcohol drugs and smoking age the fuck out of people. But if you don't do those things stress is always trying to figure out how did not stress and how to not stress in a world that is basically just running on gallons of stress at the moment. It's like how do you you know. I guess it is just take the evening walks or you know you do. Do do do some breathing or just. Try to disconnect a bit. I don't know well you know you never thought that you needed Avenues to de stress. But you've discovered that two going up. A walk is just so peaceful and calm. And it's it stimulates the the blood system in the end in. It's it's also social that you your with your wife. Your dog and your. It's just realized this is great. I you know what the other thing back in the day. When when you're trying to find a place i love the gps. Now when you can just go punch in the address yeah here you go directions go yes as for the first time you can actually just drive in. It says in a half a mile turned left. And right okay. i'll write robot whereas before you going. What's what's the street name. Can you see the state workers that i don't you know and and getting out the thomas guy did okay h. One twenty eight. That's g five grade. Okay that go. There's cold water fuck. I don't know where it goes that you've got this continues on page three six three which sanderson that's in beverly hills okay. Yeah and it's stressful. And so any any time that you can find avenues to distress man. I you know like massage or even took a bath the other night and it was like an pitch dark. There's no lectures e. in my house. And so i just read. A hot bath lit a candle and just sat in the bath The remembering your oprah winfrey style is what you're doing. You're having a your ago because oprah was in the bath with me. oh that's interesting that's reality. She was reading to you from the book club has now i gotta tell you. If you took it took the physical sexuality out of it completely. That would be an interesting way to spend an hour. I honestly didn't see it in a dirty way at all. I just saw like just like siblings. Take know five year old siblings taken aback. There's like a. There's a bath toys. And they're you know having shampoo fights and you know i'm not ready to come out our ning. There's there's an underwater fart war. Yeah of course. Of course yes. All those things that goes without right. That's the headline to the podcast. Someone's going to take that literally bryan. Cranston takes no. It's it's a bad would just by the way speaking of jail ticket. I love the bit. That you and aaron paul did on the with the the robots just going up to just going up two random people with the robots and like the had the tablet with your faces just telling people happy birthday. That was so that was for our our mess. Scowl does hombres and The delivery service drizzly. That's that we got together with and we were actually in our home so it very cova friendly at from our sampling. We were in our homes and we were operating the robots truly from our computers. The up the arrows. And we're like we could turn it one way or the other. We could raise the the thing to get taller or lower and we can go forward backwards. It was really is really a lotta fun. As like a video game that became a came to life and so I think we're going to do some more of those. But it was fun just to surprised people and give them a bottle of those numbers for their birthdays. And this has been a hell of a year It's been you know everybody's stressed out like you're talking about worried about the election and covert and it's been very dehumanizing to this this year in many many ways and uncivil and crude in unkind in so many other ways it's it feels like i can't wait for this to get over so that we can live well and i think you know just hearing all the things that you've done it's like well. What can you do you donate platelets because you wanna help people because you had covert you know like you. You're sending these robots out. You like try to cheer people up just to make him feel better. You know it's like the the those are the things and they'll and those are the kind of bryan cranston things that i would expect that you would do. Well we'll see if i can make. Because i remember when the the very first time on the podcast i'd really. I thought i had really hit a wellspring of of talking performers into hitting the like. You know let's talk about all your insecurity than let's really unearth and you go. You know i'm fine. You know like. I knew. I wanted to act i. There wasn't really a backup plan i would. I was happy. Just living apartment of being working like there wasn't any any of that underneath. And i'm like god dims. How do we bottle cranston like. How do we. How do we just like squeeze out some of his essence and absorb that level of comfort with like you know what the world can be a difficult place but you power through it and you do what you can for the people that you care about. Where where does that come from. I don't know. I think there's part part of it is work ethic in and and a lack of a sense of entitlement. I i just feel like nothing. The world doesn't mean anything. My career doesn't owe me anything. No one's trying to up end me and everyone's on their own track. That's why i have no. I have no jealousies of anyone else's success. Even at a many years ago because it's it has nothing to do with me And so i just you know. You're you're absorbing you're taking in different elements of of things that resonate with you that that help your soul that review of any of the kind of the ugliness that we can sometimes hang onto yen. It's a process. And you know. I mean i think when i was in my twenties starting out in my career i was hustling and and trying to figure out how to crack in and i did have some god i guy. What is he works. Man i am so much better than that guy you know and then you see someone will man. He's really good. I don't know if i'd ever be as good as that guy you know. So you're you're really measuring yourself against someone else. And after a while i got tired of it and i just got rid of all that and i don't do it i just. I don't read reviews. In fact i even my social i send out information that is important to me and i and i welcome responses. Even if the they're nasty ones it's like that's okay But i don't take to heart. I don't it doesn't affect me. I don't engage in a battle with anyone who has a different opinion. In fact i welcome different opinions on that level of comfort that you have with saying you know. None of that stuff has anything to do with me. Even when people are coming at me. That's a very. That's a very strong balanced sense of self. And i feel like that's the thing that people are always trying to find the balance. How do we not. How do we not be affected. Both negatively impassively by all the external things that happen in the world. How do we personalize everything. How do we not take things to heart. And it just sounds like there's something innately about you where you just are able to disconnect yourself from it and go you know my self worth and my sense of self. It just doesn't rely on the external world. I you know. Like i mean that's fine effort like and that. That's that's a gift because that is that is. That's a very hard thing to to attain that it's a level of enlightenment actual well. I don't. it's not innate. It's something that came over time through maturity and an aging and really truly assessing. What's important and what's not. You know the things that we thought were important fifteen. Twenty years ago you go home. I gotta why did i obsess over that thing. It's like it's really not that important. Let it go. And so. I've just taken that to heart on many other things for example. I anyone i talked to. This says. they're stressed out. I said well. What did you do last night before you know i did. I eat wash up or get ready for bed. I watched the news. I go stop. That's the worst thing you can do it before. God yeah you are preparing yourself for ease and sleek and you are all over stimulating. The news is the worst thing you can do before you go to bed. It implants ideas and suggestions like a like a hypnotist at in it puts it in there and then it could aggravate the hell out of you and developed so much anxiety. It's just not good. So what i'm saying is that you need to assess yourself and know what's good for your soul and what is not just like you assess. What's good for my body. Do i wanna put this in my body ryan wanna eat. A chili cheeseburger. At two o'clock in the morning is that is that. What's going to be good. Oh yeah yeah. that's exactly right. You're talking about like the sort of making the analogy of the what's the emotional food that we're feeding ourselves. What's the what's the soul food that we're feeding this whole food. What what's the food for the soul. That were that were jamming in right before you go to bed. Yeah we all week. My wife likes. tv on. She dislikes the chatter of tv to follows legal lou and I don't i don't mind it. But the last few nights fall asleep to put on the old forensic files the peter. Thomas narrated forensic files and it's it's we watch a lot of the true crime shows but with that one peter thomas. He's just that voice that's very synonymous with the kind of the announcer. You know like he's just the he's the guy that did the voice for the nine hundred nineteen song from the eighties. That guy that has yeah and but he does a bit of acting in this show so like when they're recreating a murder in the show he'll go and then the assailant will didn't and then he struck and with a knife and then we attacked he gets. And so i found the last night's it's incorporating itself into my dreams and having the most trestle true in what you're sounding like this is a surprise to you. It's not surprising at all. I just. I don't know why it's but the point is you're right in inveigh. I'm telling you try something new instead of the chatter or the talking heads on news or reenactment of a murder. Yeah guys light. The candle put on some spa music. Contemplate just let it go there are. There's a time for everything. I'm telling you it's gonna make it a it's going to make a difference linnea is with oprah. That's what that's what you need. You need to but it's not again it's not dirty. It's it's it's very friendly. It's a very friendly thirty. no it all. It's just a nice like all that so no you're just having a conversation about your day. It's a cleansing bath inside out. Yes yes yes yes. It's it's really nice. It's really nice. But lydia loves. She loves true crime. I like him but she loves true. Crime shows and i put on just for a change of the night. I put on like a i thought. Oh you know. A a series called discover ireland where they'll be rolling green hills. It was on for two minutes and she was like you have to turn that off. There's a fucking piccolo in there. And that fucking pick was like a pickle or something to do it just. She couldn't hire with niccolo but the murder shows like put a right to sleep. Wow yeah yeah. I don't know if i could. I could I could cohabitate with your wife. And i would not be able to live together. Shit well i look you know not for anything i was gonna catch wife swap but if you know what it finally able now. You're going to have to make it work in your own marriage. I was gonna pitch a show celebrity wife swap with it or you could call it a husband swap to either way you know it's like you're swapping out it you know it's like i think very few things are would be surprising in two thousand twenty anymore and yet you know when you think about people grow ever going to get through this and yet i mean we will get through it. Humans are adaptive. We you know when you think about you. Think about the early part of the twentieth century where you have world war. One and then a horrendous flu epidemic. Then you have a few years. That are okay Then the great depression hits for ten years and then on the heels of the great depression as world war two. So there's like sixteen solid years where the world is an utter turmoil and then evil in the war. The war is over then. There is a period where things have to rebuild and recover. So that's another hit so you know you're talking about like chew up to full decades more and so and and people like people persevered so i i really do. I do believe. I think the light at the end of the tunnel is that humans will serve will adapt. You know we will make it through it. We do. We do make it through you. Look my father's generation your grandfather's generation in the in world war. Two this is. This was a real threat to humanity. I mean they're they're the this. Was it where you sucked it up and you had to go to battle. You had to fight for the for the existence of your country. I mean mike god and and we're complaining about wearing a mask. That's your sacrifice that's what they don't compare right and they know that the other analogy. I like put out. Is that okay. When i was a kid the only steep belts we had was your mother's arm. Oh my because you're standing in the f- in the front of the bench seat station wagon and she would put her arm out there and that was a seatbelt. Yes so belts. Came in when seat belts i came in. Nobody warm. not not doing it not doing. It can't tell me what to do and then became a law at now. Not doing it not doing. And then they got tickets for not wearing safety belts and after a while you get used to it and you realize oh this is the way it is now. There's not a car made. That doesn't have an alarm if you're not wearing your safety belts and airbags and air bags so you get inside it to me if i don't if i'm getting in a car and i don't have my seatbelt on. It feels weird was like i. It feels like it's not. I'm not quite ready. it's terrifying. I don't know if you have this in driver's ed and i can't. I'm sure they don't do this anymore. But when i had driver's ed in the eighties they showed us all those like red asphalt. You know like where you said. Actual crash films of people who didn't wear seatbelts that i mean it was traumatizing. Just people dead in their cars like folded up in their cars. And that. I don't know i don't i can't say i think that was a great tactic. I mean i wear my seatbelt all the time though but you only really have to be in one car accident where you're wearing your seatbelt and you realize oh i'd probably would have. I don't think. I don't know if i walked away from that if i hadn't had my seatbelt on or you could have been severely damaged. Yes so the point is now. They're talking about wearing masks as being an impingement on your free to say or what about your seatbelts. That's that was the same argument back in the day. And it's like we know wearing seatbelts will save lives. It's there's no. There's no possible way. Anyone can refute that. It doesn't matter what you believe. The truth of the matter is yeah seatbelt. Gonna you if you're gonna guard it's just facts and the same thing with science on wearing the masks. It will save people from spreading the disease no exceptions to that that science and yet people are not. I don't wanna do it. It's an infringement of rut personal rights and things like it's like i just pickiest just wanted to pitch you show idea. I wanna you another show. This better way out of celebrity. Wipe slot it. Aaron paul in the robot devices you go around and find people not wearing masks and you to them and you just interview them and go. So why why are you not and then you have a reasonable conversation with him about why. They're not wearing masks. A what will be on bravo or something. Yeah it'll be. It'll be on whatever's left of television after whatever is left of television and it will give you a mask and a bottle of december's bottle is when you get home where you can take the mask. Oh and have you been drinking more since Since the pandemic no. I've been sober for seventeen years. I don't drink at all and and i don't visit and there hasn't been one time during the pandemic where i thought. Gosh i'd really love to have a drink. Because i just i know it would make me feel worse. Yes oh i think of people who are in that position who who struggle with that and during the pandemic. I wonder if that it would be hard. Reach out for that support to be able to hold on if you're if you are tempted and it's no great thing i think i think challenges like these Just exacerbate the current condition in good or bad. A good marriage will get better through challenging times. A bad marriage will be exposed and fall apart right and it's the same thing with addiction or anything like that during this time. It's gotta be really tough on those those people who are struggling. Even if they don't have the disease they're feeling the ramifications of the disease by sheltering and that's not always that's that's not good for a low. It's hard to because if you know like my perception of a lot of a lot of drinking is you know. You're like numbing and you're you're trying to control your emotions and you can do that if you take a drink or you know or or any kind of addictive behavior and so it's it's really trying to learn how to manage and be comfortable with feeling uncomfortable. No one ever wants to feel uncomfortable in our society like we have a whole capitalist society built around trying to you know. Hey don't feel uncomfortable. Don't feel uncomfortable and so it's like you know again. I think it's a testament to these walks. It's like well. That is data's away like being outside and sort of like getting pulled into the present and really been trying to focus on that like well in this moment i am okay. My wife is okay. My mom is okay. Her mom is ok okay. That's what we have. I'm going to take that in. This moment is the win. And and i'm just going to try to shove everything else out. At the moment. You know until i feel better later than i can deal with that so some a lot of is just sort of like you know like managing a navigating the emotions. I've actually weirdly. Maybe not weirdly. But i've really appreciated my sobriety during this time because and again i don't i don't throw shade at. Who's dealing with this. However they deal with people are drinking fine if they're not drinking fine but i am glad that with this zoom with with this like video conferencing technology. My hope is that there are more group options for people who Who need it in an instant. That may be in the old days. Couldn't like wait to get to a meeting drive to meeting. Its like maybe they can just drop into one. That's happening on zoom or something. So yeah you know 'cause when you think about it. We didn't really this video conferencing thing. We didn't really use it that much before. March like we had it. But it's not like wasn't like the video phones that we were promised from old sci fi and now it's like it's just such a normal part of our culture now where you're going to see how it how it affects everything you know the the commercial office space businesses drop completely and what used to be a fallback. A video conferencing. Oh i. i couldn't get my my flight or whatever so we'll have to video. It was always a fallback now. It's a norm and it's a it's so much easier at the commute is is so short for every budget cuts to your table The problem with that is is is that it. It's a facsimile of intimacy that i feel for the younger generation that don't see that don't go on dates in human exchange. They're basically doing what we're doing here and looking on he's very nice hershey's very nice or whatever the case is and you you're getting a sense of. We've seen each other several times. How many times have you seen each other in personally. Not often right. Wow that's what are we. What are we telling our souls. What are we telling ourselves of of. What is a natural relationship than if you're not actually in the same room with another person. Yeah it's it's connection but without the human experience it's like we really were. We really did evolve to be around each other to to see each other in real time. Like i you know to sort of be in this kind of chemical dance with the world you know and we we are now kind of just making do with this kind of similac reversion of reality however i do think it is still preferable to. You know a hundred years ago when people just couldn't get news as fast or wasn't you know like our couldn't share information and then it's like so it is a little bit of a a an exchange but but i feel i feel like it is better this way. It's not perfect. But i feel like this is. This is the best way for now. You know and i miss You know we. We have an industry like the movie theater business. That may just completely collapsed under the pressure of this. And then my my beloved Theater in like doing broadway the broadway. The inner businesses. Not being able to have that shuman experience like you talk about about sitting in a room with a thousand other people and experiencing something at the same moment It's it's special. And it's it's i have no idea when when broadway theaters going to be able to open back up to any great extent. Yeah i mean my you know. I just keep holding out this hope. You know that things will begin to normalize. Somehow maybe there's a vaccine that all Little stop it. And then we'll be able to. And i do think people will be. I do think my hope is that those businesses will bounce back quickly when that is the thing that people can do again because people will so be craving that those experiences again and i don't you know. I don't think it'll be like you know in twenty years old back in the old days you used to be able to go and do a you know a theater instead next to a person and you know people smelled a horrible and you know y- he'll voice. Yeah that was good back in those days because it's sort of like twenties old man. Oh i don't know why. I'm talking like this now. But this guy also reminds me of that of that western guy in the western towns i went to the livery stable. Comes billy the kid well. He's swinging league winning both irons. Real here come here he comes. There's gonna be a showdown it's the old prospector. Big fluffy white beard in the. You know the big kinda like the hats. Well you can see my hats. Cut like fraying on the top here. He's got afraid hat. It's all dusty and you know you go is that is that what you would have been in the old west is the old prospector. Ol- crazy prospector. Yeah well i think. I would have been a really great question. Who would have been. It would have been a super nerd like i would have been a super nerdy guy either would have played cards or chess or something but had no physical or gun skills i would have avoided physical confrontation at all costs and and i might have gone out to live to prospect for gold where i would go slowly insane and then become the i think i would have been the guy running the general store wearing an apron. Yes but who was also the weekend. Sheriff i see you as the general store guy. Who's like you know what are sheriff. Got shot but not a thankless job. But i'll do it because it needs to be done. I see you as general store. Proprietor weekend there's no fucking way. I would be a weekend sheriff. That guy always gets killed in every story the weekend but not you. You're ryan create your sheriff bryan cranston. You wanted me to die. Because i want to go. Toward golden. and general store jackie's feeling dip hold a mirror up to yup. Yeah there was. 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Use the offer code. Id ten t thank you to macworld in for sponsoring this episode of the podcast which we now return to i. Actually i did want ask you by the way as we were talking about earlier. How is the moscow business. Those hombres business going scoring unbelievably well. this is this came out of left field for me About three years old. I was having dinner with aaron in New york and we hadn't seen each breaking bad. It already been off the air for three years or so and we used to see each other every day and we you know we work together so closely become really really good friends and we were lamenting the fact that we didn't get a chance to see each other very much anymore. And he said you know we ought to do is go into the moscow business and i. I laughed because that's gotta be a joke and he was serious and i went. What you talking about miscall business. And he said no. He is so great. It's it's it's it's really. It's an old spirit at has been around for ages but not many people really know about the moscow business or miss cows in in general so we went to moscow bar. We and i said okay. I'll try it. And i just fell in love with it. It was just not what i remembered as a kid with the little worm at the bottle and the bottom of the bottle and it was just. It's smelled lay antiseptic something. You'd clean your your kitchen table tops with and that's what you're supposed to drink and it was but this was just amazing tasting and so i said well let's go down to oaxaca. Let's spend a week. let's tastes some. If we find something we both love. Let's try it if but if we don't let's just not do it. And that was the agreement and i didn't think we're gonna find it. I thought we were just like having a cool week. Long vacation down in oaxaca and Because he likes a a real strong scotch in auto It'll burn down your lungs kind of scott. I liked to be seduced with my art and the art of spirits is no different i want. I want to be invited in. I i wanna be curious about something and slowly be introduced to it and so i don't want something that's slaps me in the face whether that's music or art or architecture or spirits or food i don't want more getting slapped in the face to face is also and so it was our last day that we were there and we're at a at a little town called san louis del. Rio is only four hundred people in this little town. it's beautiful. they've got one landline telephone. No cell service it takes. It's about three hour drive from oaxaca city which is already very small and the last hour is a switch back up a a mountainous road dirt road to get to this little town. It's not easy. But yet we met a guy named gregorio velasco who has since become our partner in it and he is the maestro the mescalero and he makes this beautiful spirit and it. It appealed to both of us so we went into it. And we're we're loving. The business. were done really well we you know. There's there's hundred. I would say not sure exactly the number. I think it's like one hundred forty different brands of meskel. A wow yeah and and yet we're now number twelve in a little over a year hit. Yeah yeah we're just it's in. We're in total wine wherein bev mo where abc liquors. We're all over the country. And and we're just growing like crazy and it's because of the spirit is so tasty goes well with any fruit juice because Right where are pelinka is in. This little town does mountainous town. are mango trees and banana trees. And so the cross pollination that the bees give us and the bags give us Is the are these beautiful fruits and that you can taste that in the meskel in. It's just it we're having a great time and and Yeah so we're we're We're continuing and growing the company. And it's it's a lot of fun. Is it a hockey joke to suggest that you. I'm even as i'm about to say this out loud. I'm like don't say. This is the stupidest joe you and aaron making a mess. Colin fleetwood bounder rv. Listen i'm just pitch. I'm just throwing it out there just just to give some of the fans. I can already tell. This was a bad idea. You're being you're being very kind. Not on bit certainly bixente gold. We is funny because when we first saw this palinka which is their their word for for the little processing plant. And it's very rural are hombres is teetotal. Which means we can't put it on the bottle unless we cannot have any modern technology and the processing of our product that what that means actually never knew what that meant. Yeah and i mean are. We have a- donkeys on our bottle label because donkeys play an important role in. There is there is no electricity at our palanca where we produce those numbers. There's there's running water in the stream next to it and that's where we get our fresh mountain water but the only two ingredients in does ambriz is smoked chunks of copy that are matched down and obviously fermented then distilled and work. It's a bay and water and that's it and and we have. It's a natural process. It's when we first saw the polenghi they said it's across the river so we had that take off her boots and hike up our pants and crossed the river. And then the guy who was leading this This party i guess is a search party for the lanky had a machete and he was hacking all this vegetation down so that we can get through in this little pathway and came into a clearing. Aaron stopped and went shit. This is just like a meth lab. I mean i like ad hoc meth lab that popped up in the middle of the jungle and it was like. Oh my god it does. It's just art imitates life life imitates art right but this illegal at least this is the your major manufacturing a it's a. It's a legal chemical process. It's a legal chemical process. It's a it's a beautiful spirit you know. Most people are familiar with tequila. Tequila is a mess. Cal but a meskel is not a tequila. Got it got it. So what happened is about one hundred years ago mescalero through all through mexico. We're making skull out of any gaba. That's what meskal is okay. Spirit native from garbage well in this one region they were making their meskel out of the blue agabi. The big leafed big huge. Pena's that you get from this. Massive the biggest agabi that's grown and so the yield is far greater so the other mescalero were saying this is really not fair for you to call that moscow because they can make so much more and they can undercut crisis and things like that so. The government stepped in and said okay. You you guys can continue making your skull but you have to do two things you have to only make it from the blue gubbay only and you have to change the name and you cannot call it a meskel anymore. You have to call it something else okay. And so because the biggest city that they were making this blue Gabby meskel was from was called tequila. They called their meskel tequila and that rights. I had no idea. Yeah today most tequilas is done in a processing plant. That's that they manufacture the so fast. Instead of smoking there moscow they steam they put it in a big silo. They really trunk eight. The process. There's still some tequila makers that that do it the old fashioned way but few and far between and are you ever gonna manufacturer any that has cheung-sen gold in it. That was the last bit. It was the lackland brian. I don't think it's going to be the last not in my life. But maybe in this fucking but who knows you know unpredictable but this idea like even just hearing you describe that all i can think about is like there's bryan cranston and his old old west general store selling this like this head. This handmade mess cow. That's right well. The tries them. Let me give you a ladle full. Put it in the mason jar or a ball jar. Hey dr. I think i'm telling you man. Listen listen i know i know. The old west was rough but there are certain elements of like the simpler time. Where it's just like you know you just you walk to you. Walked across the street to your store. Your town was a mainstream. maybe you had some farmland. Those simple things like they just feel very Refreshing even though i even though i know was much more violent time to live like it still violent and also if you get the measles you die yes yes. It's dave chapelle used to have this bit about like about how. I'm not gonna do it justice. I won't do the like if you got diarrhea in eighteen hundreds. You probably we're gonna die diarrhea. Diarrhea fucking kill. You like to take it to the old man you know your old man gold prospector. Guy is the old man. he's probably mid forties your hundred. And he's the one but he also like he also smears. You let me crush up a bee's nest. I'll put that in some of smear that in your eyes and you'll be set you'll be fine work then. Everyone got sicker because stand medicine the book it wasn't maybe not the best time to live. It's not the best not live now but there is a romantic idea of just sort of living on a you know living on a farm or a ranch and run a local business and not you know that being weighed down by any more than that there is there is th i think i think the more anxiety that we feel in our present day life any in a good way. I think covid has created this. You discover the simple beauty of a walk. Yeah i mean there's something to be said for that it's like oh okay. Yeah just go for a walk. Just take a pause. We were forced to stay home. A lot of families like Let's put a puzzle together. Let's put you in. It's like oh you know this was kind of fun and simple things like that. That that we've forgotten because we're so damn busy because we think our lives are so important or more valuable. The busier we are were distraught. Like so much of our lives. I feel like before. Were distracting ourselves from dealing with real stress and anxiety but we just get into this momentum where we just go go go. Go go go go. And then you'll never have to stop to breathe or deal with stuff and of course that doesn't fix anything. It just delays while things compounded just the idea of like having to stop take a breath in you know as horrible as a situation is these are the cards. Were dell right now. So what can we do. We can take walks. we can take responsibility. We can appreciate how we have. We can live in the moment. We can appreciate the people that are close to us. And you know and and with me. I took a bath with oprah. That's that's your gold bit. You keep going keep going back to this. We each have a we each and pull callback running. Yeah i love it. I love it. Oh by the way. I was just reading someone. There was an artist on. I don't know if you saw this but there was an artist on instagram. Who imagined you as doctor doom and it kind of it kind of blew up the internet. A little bit and people are like. Oh my god cranston. It'd be a fucking amazing doctor. doom. I wish i could send you the picture because it looks really cool. I look at it had a wedge you into the to the marvel universe i i have never a- the closest i've done to that kind of thing was i did a thing on The power rangers a couple years. Yeah i saw that yes. Of course you have the computer the computer and and that was the weirdest thing because when i was shooting it. They had a skin harness for me because in order to do the visual effects i had to actually place my chin and not move it so my everything i was doing was talking like this and looking straightforward so as the face would move from place to place but i couldn't move my face at it was it was the weirdest thing. Just put your head in a in a device that kind of froze you in a position and then just and then they painted that out of the twenty first century thing. the marvel universe Is is actually yeah. I would love to do something unique. Like a and doctor doctor doom. Yeah they it. It's really whether it's doctor doom or anything else. Or maybe it's the dc universe. I don't know. But i just feel like you know as again one of the first things you said to me. The first time you're on the podcast was I retained a lot of it was about how like never liked to repeat. I always liked to do something different. I like to go in different directions or different things. And i just feel like the superhero universe it. There's there's something out there for you because it does those roles really light up when you put an amazing actor in like a cool superhero or sci fi thing it. Just it just elevates it to another level. So i hope you're open to it. Maybe it will generate some. You know maybe some studio had to get get cranston on the phone. Let's get him in here. That's the old guy. Sorry i i very limited bag of characters prospector. old guy. Drink cousins. that's right. Tell me about go get off. And there's no vote here. I'm trying to your attitude. That second guy has to have a cigar. Yeah of course he has a cigar. Yeah yeah of course he has. A cigar is cigar. Needs steak for breakfast. He's he's just like yes. Yes yes they escape. I'll have to look that up doctor doom. I'll have to see what that looks like if someone is promoting it but yeah i would like i'd like to do something new and different way that and of course the challenge in that because there those films are all very broad strokes characterizations and plot. Evie right this is going to happen and you got to stop this guy from doing that or else this will be the result you know you know how do you then. Carve-out a memorable character within the confines of that structure backstory. If you remember you know the original X. men from two thousand was so revolutionary for superhero films. Because they human the the the villains were humanized like you saw magneto was the re the reason that he had. This world is because of extreme trauma as a child. And so you understood. Oh he's going about it in a fucked up way but you can see why being traumatized in the way that he was like it. It gave the character depth. More than just. I'm going to create chaos. You know again. It's just was right in the middle of those two other characters but evil. You're evil character. There's not a lot of range there. it's the same. They're all brothers. But and so. I feel like you know if if the right role presented itself and you were able to give it the right backstory with the right depth. The right i think it would be. Are you at the point in your career or were you could buy your. Gimme a superhero movie. And they go okay the nigga start fishing around and see what's out there. Do you get to do that or just kinda wait to see what comes in. Even your personal me. give me my hair stylist. That limited baggage that guy's got used to run the studio but then all the studios were coming so then it became an agent. I used to run the biggest studio in this town now. So we're all. yeah kinda. Yeah i e you know. I don't like to usually work from the outside in meaning like i wanna find this so then look for that. I usually find tried. I find my characters organically in the sense. That someone's passion. Wrote a story that i see the character is there and i'm i'm leaning into it. Grew naturally out of someone's real interest in writing something and that doesn't mean that it can't be a superhero Universe i certainly would be open to that but i i. I'm not interested in doing you know a character that's been done before really and and you know with all he'd be the ep seven seventeenth. Commissioner gordon not interested so you know i so i'm open to it but We'll we'll see. I've got a lot of things on my plate. Now and we're we're doing Your honor down here. And that'll be on showtime in december. It looks great by the way it looks like it. Looks like one of those shows. Sort of like a. There's a there's definitely like a chess game going not literal chest but there's like there's definitely a chess game it's a lot of it's it looks like there's a lot of like fucked up turns where you just are like. Oh oh my god and just people making great decisions and then having to cover up and deal with the consequences of those decisions which are always the most stressful out. It looks interesting middle with that. It is that the the premise is that my son Was was involved in an accident car accident. And you're a judge. I'm a judge and my son Panicked and and and left the scene of the accident and at and in in in his panic in haste he realized oh. He's made a huge mistake. When i get home. And i hear the story i am. He tells me what happened. I said well you have to do the right thing. You will forever have a scarred soul if you don't take responsibility for your actions so i convinced him that we need to turn himself in to police and and get representation and plead to the judge. Lick he's never had a problem. He turned himself in. He made a mistake. He's underage you know and and hope for the best and we go to the police station at the police station. We we discover that the the kid that he actually hit on a motorcycle died and that his parents. The father of the kid is a notorious gangster. A bad ass guy. Like an al capone style like old timey or even like john gotti kind right you don't you don't fuck with him like a crime family. Basically you kill somebody to like the kid of the head of a crime family so once mike actor realizes who the victim was i i knew instantly. It doesn't matter that my son made a mistake. It doesn't matter even if it was his fault or not. It's not gonna be good for him. This guy is going to kill my son. Regardless so so at that moment he pulls back any concocts you know alibis and destroys evidence before forget it forget. Forget it but you said exactly right. He says no dad. You're right we have did. I was diapers fired. What i meant to say was don't ever fuck in talent. So that's the premise. Is that what would you do to save. The life of your child and and any parent would say. I would do anything to save the life of my child. And it's like yeah. Well that's what this guy is facing. And so oh god those are the best and and it's like you know any any time where as the audience you can kind of you you. You pose that question the audience. What would you do in this fucked up series of circumstances. That's why you know one of the reasons why the premise of breaking bad with some isn't what would you do in this situation. The premise of this show. What would you do. I think it's why walking down the steps. What would you do it. You know in this situation rather than just having one dimensional characters. Who do what you expect them to do it. There is that human like under these stressors and circumstances. Like there's no it's there's no real win it's all that kind of pyrrhic victory of like any win as a bloody victory somehow. That's right it. There's there's consequences no matter what you and basically it's it's whenever a character or a person in our real lives if we try to become someone we're really not. It's not going to end well because you're you're faking it. You're faking your way through life. You just can't you can't sustain that and so that's what happens in this store and that's what's you know stories all day. I think i think writers now and audiences are far more sophisticated now than they were. When i was young you could throw up anything on television or film in his life. Okay and you watch it some bad you know murder. She wrote all those terrible. Tv shows of days gone past the alive were so murder. She wrote still watch murder. She wrote still convinced. Jessica fletcher is the murderer. You can't put any debts in a small town in maine. Yes the whole the whole series of murder. She wrote as jessica fletcher reimagining all of the murders and pinning them on other people. She's convinced she's running in a in a in matthau somewhere that i would love to see. That's the story. I wanna see it just like and then you see you. Just see like she's in the style and you see her doctors tom. Bosley and william cactus. It's like all the people in her life. She's cast them in the roles of murderers edmund. That's fantastic. I love that idea Well you know. I don't know. I don't know if angela lansbury is ever going to go along with it but if i ever run into her. I'll pichit angie angie baby angie. Listen you've done. Jessica fletcher as the crime solving. This is now we. This is angie. We need edgy murder. she wrote. S- what happened. Your old cam crusty cigar chomping agent. Oh is assistant. That took him up. He got him a fire took over. He's living in the now man. Come on come on in g baby. Yeah he's like. I feel like like you know what characters are agley like of a decade. The timing prospectors is guys like and then baby what are you. He's the stockbroker. He's the guy that gets in. Die hard maybe on we can buy it. He's that guy so you have no contemporary characters whatsoever. No it stops at around eighty seven. Yeah eighty seven kinda sad. I got very specific period visas about it. Look man i. I love you to pieces. It's so good to see your face. I am so goddamn happy. Did not know that you had covert and. I'm so glad that you're one of the lucky ones table to to to get through that you and your wife are okay and you know happier working. An and and i'm i'm delighted that in the midst of a power outage you somehow did again. This is the bryan cranston. That i know you still did a fucking podcast. Still have that up portable lights and you had a little bovey pack in your powering your phone and i just man. I every time. Every time. I get to see i just love you more and more. I really appreciate it chris. i. I've known you a long time now and i. I always enjoy talking to you. And especially you're you're prospecting gold man. Well you know. I think there's a lot of gold in this podcast. Mr cranston gold is having a nice friendly bath with oprah. It's back to new and so it shelby and so shout be well the end as we drift off into the sunset scanning complete enjoy overeat.

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143 - The McDonogh ThreeFirst Day of School

The Kitchen Sisters Present

21:20 min | 9 months ago

143 - The McDonogh ThreeFirst Day of School

"Radio. Welcome to the kitchen sisters present. Six where the kitchen sisters Dave Nelson, N. Nikki Silva High. We WanNA. Tell you about another podcast might enjoy pin-drop from Ted on pin-drop hosts Salim, Rush Walla journeys across the globe to find surprising stories and ideas from each place with local journalists and creators as your guides, you weave through the streets of Bangkok with a motorcycle midwife time travel with dinosaurs behind a hardware store in New Jersey and meet a guy who dresses up as a door to protect citizens from traffic in Mexico City. Listen to pin-drop wherever you get your podcasts. The kitchen sisters present is sponsored by Celestial seasonings in nineteen, sixty, nine, one of celestial seasonings, founders, most seagal handpicked wild herbs from the Rocky Mountains in Colorado and used them to make their I t. in the following years. He sold his herb teas to health. Food stores enhance sewn bags. I have many memories attached to these teas and the beautiful little boxes that they come in my personal favorites. Favorites sleepytime and tension Tamer they source over a hundred tackles for more than thirty five countries purchase directly from the farmers and local community Charlie Haden. Their blend master for over forty years, tastes, and approved every batch of t before it leaves the factory in Boulder by your favourite blend of celestial seasonings on Amazon or anywhere tea is sold. We thank you. Celestial seasonings I, answering the sisters present. I can remember right before I started going mcdonagh nineteen. On and I took a bus ride. To Canal Street we took a bus ride. She was paying the fair, and I sat down right behind the driver. She's zero. No, you can't sit there. And I asked her why and she said well. You don't understand now within in a few weeks you will. So I knew something was about to him. That's Leona Tate. When she was six years old, she was chosen along with three other girls to integrate the public schools in new, Orleans in one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty. We produced the story a few years back and we WANNA put it out there again, because it seems critical particularly now to remember and pay tribute to the many keepers of the archives, the stories the truth about our past, and the long fight for what is fair and just. Remember. Get Dress. And a black car drove up parked in front of the door. The household got real quality. It was the US marshals coming. So my mother and I left, they drove us to the school building and she said sit to the back seat and do not put your face. When we turned the corner. All. I can see was crowds of people. Police on horseback. ACA related to was a parade company. It looked like a modern day. Why do we have to go to school oh Margaret. I didn't think it was a mighty the scared, but I could see these crowds of people, and if they get to me, I thought it was gonNA. Kill me! That morning when the Marshall came to pick my daddy and I. Mother was home. She was a nervous wreck. And she told the Marshall. I'm giving you my baby. This is my baby. And he told her he said. This is my job. and. I'M GONNA take care of baby. You don't have to worry about that. November fourteenth. Nineteen Sixty Leona, tate tessie preval's Guillotine and Ruby. Bridges integrated the public schools in New Orleans six years after Brown was decided. Keep Plessey for generation descendant of Homework Plessey president and CO founder of the and Ferguson Foundation. Brown versus board of Education was the land law school desegregation case there were many challenges in implementing that case I'm Brenda billips Square Co, pastor bt Memorial Congregational United Church of Christ. I'm an archivist preserving the history black education. When it costs implementing Brown versus board of Education New Orleans is chosen by the NAACP and a very courageous judge to schools were selected. William France, and McDonough nineteen. When. Did you first begin to think about Leon going to school at mcdonagh? After we got avocation and you pass the test well. That's what I'll do. She was gone. How did you happen to make the application in the first place? In the pavement and call Eglin Assembly one my mom fill out the application. They selected a hundred and forty five families. They chose five families, but only four could participate. NWPP was working with our parents. I did that I'm the tate. One of the six year old black girls at integrated the all white public schools here in New Orleans Louisiana. There was a lot of planning a great deal of faith and courage for this the happen. The girls had to take test to make sure that they were going to be able to do the work. I can remember. A lady in a man both white standing over me and we would test. It psychologically tested at the school, Board. was mostly. Questions and answers you know so. I must have talked my way. Right through that one, didn't it? Do. You think that she will get better schooling here. Will? Think, she will. We, all faced with either clothing. The schools are integrating. By far the greatest determination to preserve for the children on the Watkinson state Sira Gatien of the races. Because I honestly believe that only on the practice. Can Be properly. Educate the children of both races. The city at that time did not welcome to school integration. When the black girls enrolled in the schools, they each had their own washer protect them. Court order. That was a rookie Marshall Service. It's when I was sent down to new, Orleans and it was pretty scary when we get to MacDonald Nineteen to whole school campus was surrounded by New Orleans policemen, some of them were on horses things that. Went on there undescribable. I couldn't believe. Grew and people would act the way they did. About four girls go to school. One of the things that was in my mind is that I had two small children I'll be damned if anybody's GonNa. Tell them they can't go to school. And that's the way I felt about it. Nobody has the right to tell these ladies that they could not go to school. We as deputy marshals. If, we didn't get the job done. We're going to set the whole movement back. God knows how many years it just had to be done. Burn. The s going up the steps. They didn't know what to do with us. Once we got in there. We said there quite a few hours before we will place in the classroom. Class of white children. Mismile was teaching and all of a sudden. You see children disappearing. Passionate started pulling children out of school before you knew it off. They will go. For the year and a half there was no one else but us and Miss Myers. Mrs To me. What do you think might happen eventually in this? Well I know would happen that? Oh, I couldn't play on that. A Nation long because they. Long Legislature has urged quite parents to resist integration. The legislature took out paid advertisements in New Orleans papers, which urged the parents to boycott. They have not urged violence, but they have said resist integration, boycott the schools and demonstrate peacefully. People. Angry, that was so much hate. They have been taught. that. Black people would somehow hurt their children. And they were so devoted to separation that these little children were actually targets and their families targets. My Dad was a welder and a mechanic. He worked in Saint Bernard Parish, which was highly racist, so my dad's name stay out of the public for a long time. Nobody knew who he was one legislator work. Urge to Lynch Party for what he called integration as white parents. The two of his colleague pointed out. Everybody knows that this manage joking. He didn't really minute. He didn't mean what he said. Probably in the legislature, people did not think he meant that. People should be lynched in New Orleans we won't heavily guarded at night. All Day. Know at least. We were confined. We couldn't play in the yard. We bring our own lunch. We couldn't eat from the cafeteria. I guess for safety reason now with think. We left mcdonagh nineteen after the second grade, because mcdonagh nineteen became a black school. WAS, all, black! End Up people keep us in a white school, so they transferred us to Thomas J Sims? It was total chaos. They were sent over. Tj Sam's another school, but this time the white children didn't leave. We went to Sam's with a school. Full of students didn't want us to be there. They used to beat us ky-ko's. Did Spit on us. I got hit in the stomach with a baseball bat. We will deathly afraid to go in. The cafeteria was scared to use the bathroom alone. There were teachers that the children to call US names. Recess time we'd had a tree. That was our little protection. They endured a lot of violence hostility from teachers who did not welcome them. They were civil rights pioneers at age of six and seven and eight year old. The way that immigration system worked was it started with them six years old in elementary school junior, high and senior high were not integrated until they became age to attend. They were the first to integrate. Every level cool. And their age bracket integration progress as we progress agreed. We reached tenth grade then they opened it up all the way you can go to integrate. Wait will leave in junior high school in sixty nine. We were going to senior high school to Francis Nicholls. That was kind of rough, even was a lot of black students at that school then. We had a confederate flag. The mascot was rebel that caused a lot of friction. They expected the blacks to support the rebel mascot, and they don't WanNa do that I can remember going to school one day walking cafeteria and chas would be thrown and it was an uproar. The police were coming into building. Horseback and white, and the blacks are fighting. They didn't want the mascot to be changed. I asked Tessie. Why didn't you ever talk about this? She said I was finished with civil rights by the time I got to high school. I was done. They will complain to their parents at Tj, Samson. Gill said her dad said you know. He was with Martin Luther King. He said don't fight back. You can't fight. Just gotTa pray. that. We write letters for nothing would be done. I didn't talk about it for years and I'm thinking that I decided to break out. When Barack got elected president and I said. Wow, we really did something. Gail tests in our. We always talked about mcdonagh nineteen. Because it had closed down the before Katrina. Closed. When allowed us to come to the lower nine ward? I I say. Let's go by the school. Let me see what it looks like. You can see the water just hit the bottom level, but it looked fine. And I said well. Something's gotTa be done year. After the inauguration we got together and we put the foundation to him. When they were going to auction mcdonagh nineteen. Leona tate one of those young ladies, and I said let's go together to the school board. We have to let them know that. These are civil rights institutions. That cannot be just auction. Just as our ancestors had been. At the pressing Ferguson Foundation. We're documenting mocking historic sites because they're very few marcus of like history in New Orleans supervision is to do a civil. Rights Museum New Orleans does not have. A civil rights missy, so we're going to allow first civil rights missing. In this built. Each generation has to impart the stories for the future generations so that people will know they are. Ruby Bridges Gail, tested and Leona with a four girls who integrated public education in the deep south on November nineteenth nineteenth sixty. They were chosen as foot soldiers on a front line. The kitchen sisters present is produced by the kitchen sisters with Nathan Dalton and Brandy how? We. Thank our production interns MIRA clancy, Charlotte Landis Taylor. Simmons Katie mccutchen Mary Franklin, Marvin and Paulina Tano Lots of people to give thanks to today we thank Keith policy and phoebe Ferguson founders of the Plessey and Ferguson Foundation. Who Do St- to this story? We'll be doing a piece soon about their foundation and historic plessey versus Ferguson Supreme Court. Case in the meantime here's Keith Plessey talking about the power of one of his foundation's projects historic plaques. After US putting the marker mcdonagh nineteen, where it exists at the Saint Bernard Parish Line in two thousand ten to commemorate the school. The wrecking ball was waiting to knock it down. By placing the marker in front of it, we ceased the wrecking ball seven years later. The National Park Service finally recognized that site as a historic place. The gave the Leona Take Foundation for change a half a million dollars to start refurbishing that school and telling history as all part of our groundwork. Several of the voices you heard in the story were recorded in two thousand ten at Tulane University as part of a reunion and Panel Discussion on the Fiftieth Anniversary of the integration of public schools in New Orleans what an incredible and significant gathering. Voice as you heard, include the unattainable tessie provost Williams and Gail stripling who integrated McDonnell nineteen. You also heard retired deputy US marshals. Charlie Burke Herschel Karner and out Butler. This gathering was the first time the women had reunited with the marshals since November nineteen sixty. We think Tulane University armistead research center history. Department Louisiana Endowment for the Humanities Louisiana Center for Civil Rights and social justice. The US Marshals Museum and most Alan Wider. For the W. Espn Archival News footage in this story we thank Taylor Ci Coin, and Ruta Adelines Brown, media archives and peabody awards collection Uga special collections library. And thanks to Brenda, Flora Audiovisual archivist armistead research center Tulane University. Thank you prospect for New Orleans? A Lotus in spite of the swamp. The story is part of our Levy Stream project in collaboration. With Ben a Jones and associates made possible in part by Ruth. Eufor Tell Foundation and project and. As always we thank the National Endowment for the humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts Art Works. Thanks to Leona Tate. You can find out more about the Leona taped foundation for change and their civil. Rights Museum Project at www Lt, F C. I N C, Dot Org. As always we thank the National Endowment for the humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts Art. Works And One more thank you and last words from activist archivist Brenda Square, who spoke with us about the history of African American public education in New Orleans and about her archival calling. My name is Brenda billips Square Co, pastor Beechy Memorial Congregational United, Church of Christ. I'm an archivist documenting post Katrina New Orleans. On the day of the flood. Was My Saturday work that the Amish that research at Tulane University. The prediction was that it was going to be bad. The city's archives in the basement. WanNa came. We would have floods. Being archivists. I was thinking about the people, but I was also thinking about the records. This is what's in my mind. I said Lord helped me to stay. Focus this pray for the people, but these records. All in my mind is well. My archival Carleen was I. believe part of my spiritual polly. Let the redeemed of the Lord, say sober number the story of the nation of Israel. They had to tell this. Tell your children. You supposed to town. After Katrina, policy makers decided to take over the schools close off the school. I knew that with the takeover of the schools. The history of all these black educators with being destroy actually thrown away in these buildings. There was no effort to preserve it. Public Education was the central focus for blacks coming out of slavery. Alma leaders come out of these schools. So I've been collecting neural histories documenting the fight looking at where we have history recorded, and where the gaps are activists archival work, because in Iran's racial hatred will have you think that you're nobody? Bad History. Bad Theology has crippled our nation. I have a duty as an artist as a preacher and a culture keeper. To preserve this history where I can, because it's all a part of the rich community that we know is America. The kitchen sisters present as part of Radio topiary from P. R.. A curated network of extraordinary cutting edge podcasts created by independent producers. Thanks for listening our fellow Radio Tokens at radio. Diaries have a brand. New Series called the hunker down diaries, featuring stories of people in unexpected circumstances because of the pandemic, each episode is an intimate look at folks on the front lines, people living without a safety net, or those hunkered down with unexpected company. One of my favorite stories is about Joan Newman who's one hundred seven years old. He was five during the flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen. Today. He lives in a senior apartment complex in Sarasota Florida with his fiancee Anita. Simpson they interviewed each other on Anita's one hundredth birthday. Two weeks before we were told, we had to stay in our parliament's. I had done a cold and I was really scared. That just was happening to me. Fortunately, it was just a mild cold. But I was getting anxious because I I wanted to reach hundred. All of a sudden I didn't WANNA die. This is new to me. You always indicated to me. That you had no fear. In l., the reason why I don't want to die. It's because. I'd like big in this relationship and I. Really don't want it to stop. Take a listen to hunker down diaries at radio diaries dot org or wherever you get your podcasts. Radio.

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Session 111: Considerations When Coparenting

Therapy for Black Girls

33:12 min | 1 year ago

Session 111: Considerations When Coparenting

"Welcome to the therapy. For black girls podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development and all the small decisions, we can make to become the best possible versions of our sales. I'm your host Dr joy, Hardin Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or to find a therapist in your area. Visit our website at therapy for let girls dot com, while I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to be a substitute for relationship with a licensed, mental health professional. A oh, thanks so much for joining me for session. One eleven of the therapy for black girls podcast today. We're digging into co-parenting relationships. My line sister, Dr Audrey. Towns is back to chat, all about the things you need to consider to affect co parent, but first, let's show them love to our. For today's episode comes from natural issues. 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And get some time back in your busy schedule than I definitely recommend that you, try them, you can find the natural issues products and over twelve hundred Sally stores nationwide. Are you can buy them online at Sally, beauty dot com? Use our exclusive promo code five five five five five five at checkout to save ten percent off of your purchase. Now, let's get back to the episode. As a reminder if you didn't hear Dr RG town on her last visit with us. She earned an undergraduate degree in psychology from Xavier university of Louisiana. She went on to complete her master's degree in healthcare administration at Tulane university, and a master's, and doctorate degree in clinical psychology, and Nova southeastern university, in south Florida doctor tells will return to Tennessee into h in to become the director of psychology at a western mental health institute shortly after she began her career with Shelby county jails as the director of mental health in twenty eleven overseeing mental health services, provided to the incarcerated throughout Memphis, Tennessee, inspired by the obvious. Lack of psychological resources, doctor tells established k-league psychological services to meet the needs of the community and to continue educating an attempt to reduce the stigma of. Illness, Dr Townsville, and I chatted about the different possibilities for co-parenting relationships. Some of the main concerns that get in the way of being able to co parent, how therapy can be helpful in developing a healthy co-parenting relationship in the importance of making sure you're clear in your communication, with your children about what the co parenting, relationship will look like if you hear something while listening that really resonates with you. Please share with us on social media using the hashtag TV in session. Here's our conversation. Thank you so much for being back with us today. Dr town. So route, thank you for inviting me. Yes. I'm very happy to have you back. So, you know, people have not listened to me, definitely need to go back and listen to your episode. That was all about how social media impacts on mental health. We are still getting commented emails about that. If assode. Yes. Oh, definitely. Wanna check out if you haven't, but we want to talk today about co-parenting and, you know, we seen more in the news about people in what they're co parenting relationships. Look, legs are really wanted to dig into this, you know, it was also requested by people because this is sometimes very difficult thing for people to navigate once a relationship has ended and children are involved. You know it can become difficult. So I wrote a I or by hearing, like what kinds of different types of co-parenting arrangements, can people try like what are even the actions for co-parenting? Okay. Well, just self disclosure, I have been a coke for seven years. And I would say, we had a very successful co-parenting relationship. But I think we've gone through a lot of different stages, and a lot of different styles of Copernican finally found the one that works for us in our signed. So we'll talk about the different types of co-parenting relationships. There are typically three common types. The first one is a high conflict Copernicus style. And usually, this is one that is highly motions, of course, list of favorable one, the communication is usually often done through court systems lawyers family members. And when the coke parents have to interact it can become very toxic. And so research has shown like this is the Copernican style where you see most of high depression, some learning disabilities. They have a poor ability to resolve conflict. So the next one is the parents who use a parallel coping Fausto parallel means that they have been very minimal contact. So this is I'm in my house. You're on your house. We agree to exchange our child with there's very little communication on how the child is raised. There's no personal exchanges almost like a business ranch -ment in sex on our similar to the ones of the high conflict here in style. And we talked about earlier that the last one is one of a collaborative Copernicus style. And that's the one that's kind of been in the media lately about, you know, with Will Smith. Jada Pinkett was beats Alicia Keys. This type of star were there is a collaboration and things are talk through. And there is a very open type of communication between the parents and anyone else who's involved in this type of style, where we see the more positive effects on child. The child is less anxious, less depressed. They are engaged in social activities. They know how to resolve conflicts easily, and their communication styles are more productive guys to okay, so I think this great information for us to new now. I'm sure you know, people are thinking, like, of course, ideally, you would want to have this collaborative parenting style. But depending on whatever the situation was that ended the relationship, you know, like there could be lots of reasons why you might not. Immediately be able to get to this collaborative place. Right. So what are some of the things you think you know that you kinda wanna think about what kind of work? Do you want to be doing to maybe move towards where you could be in a more collaborative? Lisa co-parenting. Yeah. One, you have to always make sure that you compartmentalize your partner's ability to be a parent versus air to be a partner in a relationship. So once the relationship is resolved. You have to deal with it separately from their ability to be a parent so really compartmentalize in to a certain extent your emotions about how the relationship ended and really focusing on the child because now it's just point in the relationship. The goal is to raise a healthy child and not to kind of rehash certain things about the relationship, but simultaneously, you probably need to resolve those issues whether that be in therapy doing some self reflection. And sometimes I've known. Couples who co peer in go to therapy together, and so that's always upon is, but there has to be some separation between the ending of that intimate relationships and the beginning of a co parenting relationship so that it can be productive in healthy for the child. He and I want to hear a little bit more about, like, what compartmentalizing, you know, looks like because of course when you're dealing with something like a break up or a divorce. Or, you know, something has happened a lot of that bleeds into the rest of your life. Right. And so would it even look like to compartmentalize that, so that you can of course, focus on the parenting piece? Okay. Compartmentalize in is really being able to separate your personal emotions about the break up and how you want to co parent moving forward. So that means that you have to make a conscious effort to separate your partner in intimate situation. And what worked or didn't work from their ability to be a co parent. So basically. Really resolving or trying to resolve your feelings about them in their involvement in the relationship, and what that will look like with them just being a parent. I've my clients most of my clients, go on the state website and print out there states co-parenting plan and what the plan does. He just lays out basically everything that will involve your Copernicus ration-, and that will be, how many days, you know, each parent will have parent time who get the child on holidays for all of those things are, including on their parent plan. I advise that we do that before emotions get involved, and when that's done, and you want to change after the break-up, then there's a question, am I doing this out of the best interest of my child or am I doing this because I'm having some emotional response, because break-up, but if the plan is already establishing laid out. There's no question as to we're focusing. On the best care for our child. And so that's really what compartmentalizing looks like is you dealing with your emotions separate and apart from what it looks like for you to be a co parent in a situation where you're no longer with appear in relationship to industry, does every state have this like on their website. I'm not sure if every state has one, but there are templates of how to navigate that conversation of developing. What the Copan relationship will look like moving forward. Okay. So even if you're state doesn't have a formal one, you can just Google co-parenting templates, and it'll give you an idea of. Yeah. Okay. I mean, they're they're of templates out there online. Okay. Okay. So you mentioned that town. So also that some co parents will go sit there and figure out how to negotiate this. Can you talk a little bit more about like with there might look like to work with the therapist to effectively co parent? Absolutely. So usually when I'm working with co parent, I make sure that we have a clear objective of therapy. So that there is not for or the goal of therapy is not to reconcile the relationship or for the parents get back together. If we're there just for co-parenting, so highly recommend to not muddy the waters that there, be a decision may early on to stop all intimacy. Because that makes the co parent relationship theory, confusing, of course, we kind of get into some things about their feelings about how the relationship ended some sometime. They're the other parent wants to feel that they are heard or the they're still are validated. And so we try as much as we can to resolve some of those lingering emotional issues. But for the most part, we work on communication and setting goes for what positive co-parenting will look like, as we transition from an intimate relationship to strictly co-parenting relationship. Now it will be completely up to the parents, if they want to reconcile their relationship at the end of fear p for me, that's not go if we're only there just to improve the co-parenting relationship was you said about making sure that is clear from the front end because of course, there will be less confusing. If one of the things we're coming into trying to figure out how we're going to get back together in the other person understands that we are really just figuring out how to parents together absolute and that's one of the first questions that I that I ask when they arrive is what are your views on why you're here. And I asked them individually just to make sure that we're all. On the same page. And, you know, one parent is not thinking that they're there for couples therapy, while the other just strictly I'm here to be a better cope here. So that's something that we address early on in the session, just to make sure that we're all on the same page. And there's no confusion, moving forward gun, it got it. So would some of the topics you find cool. Parents, get stuck like what are some of the things that kinda keep people having difficulty kind of moving forward in their coping relations to be honest with you, the, the number one issue that I see is forgiveness in hurt about how the relationship ended in feeling that they were not heard, or they're feeling have been or just generally they've been violated? So to resolve those still, I think it's best to resolve them into digitally before we start to work on a co-parenting relationships because usually there's one parent, who is more upsetting than the other. And that's kind. Of the person or the parent that we want to target first, so that we can resolve some of those emotional hurts that they have, so that we can move forward in a positive pope here, Latian ship, again, the number one issue that I see is unresolved hurt, and I'm going to say this all cases, but generally the mother has an unrealistic expectation of what the relationship should be. Once they have a child, and I think it goes back to when we were little girls that we had we see, you know, we play with Ken and Barbie, and they have a car and they, you know, they have a house. But sometimes every relationship doesn't end that way. And so, two almost have the mother and sometimes the farthest will. But generally most moms never see themselves as single moms or having to raise a child in a situation where they co parent. So it's really difficult for some people to accept the reality that the image that they have about what their life should be is not the reality of what's. On now. So just having to resolve their conflict about their image of being a parent, or being in a relationship with the father of their child, and the reality that there will be a co parent relationship is something that, that I address often there. Those are the most common thing that I encounter in co peer the situation. Okay. Got you. Of course, you know, a mom, and dad is kind of most commonly what we hear in terms of co-parenting situation after in a relationship is what, of course, we know families can look Lhasa different ways. So coping could also be, you know, partners of the same sex, who know have ended a relationship a created their families through other means besides just a man and the woman. So, so are there things that you think we need to pay attention to related to that? I would imagine some of it is the same. They're probably awesome unique differences. Not yet really. We'll use the same tactic because everyone has some feelings about the ending of a relationship. It doesn't matter if you know, you're a heterosexual couple or the same sex couple, you still go through the same grief of a relationship having unresolved feelings about a relationship and then learning to transition into Copernican, so. A lot of things that are pretty much the same, especially when they have, you know, moved beyond, you know, socil- to expect patients of quote unquote, a typical co parenting relationship. Looks like with man versus one min when it becomes the same sex relationships. So it's really pretty much the same trend in the same things that we would talk about in a, a heterosexual couple. Okay. So I am curious to hear because I know another hat buttons, Hoppy becomes win. One of the parents starts dating again, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. A whole new dynamic into the situation. So what kinds of things what kinds of conversations maybe should you be having or how do you even ago she ate the whole topic of dating again, when you're co-parenting, I really think that once we've removed ourselves from the very ten emotional stage of Copan, and we're able to communicate I think the reality is that when you found your, your partner tracked if there's like other people will also in and life goes on, and everyone wants to be in a relationship, someone accepting the reality that they're that your partner, or your ex partner will or may move on. I think is key, but also communicating what that will look like for the both of you, I can tell you just from my experience, just having to have a conversation about what that will look like for us. Meaning that, you know, we probably won't go to dinner as much as we do. Now we probably won't you know. Take family photos. So often now but just respecting the boundaries of the new partner, I think is really important and to know what that will look like for the child just going ahead. And having that proactive conversation with your partner, and what their wishes will be is paramount to moving past the difficult conversations of what it will look. Right. When you add another co parent into that, and just listening to the other co parent, everyone does not want the same thing. There are some situations where they don't want to meet the new partners but it's really up to the co parent, and that parent being able to communicate what their wishes that needs are in have respected by everyone. So I think that's really important, but Secondly also communicating with the child as to what it means to add another apparent to the situation, and making sure that they understand that this new relationship does not eliminate the relationship the established hope parents relationship as already ongoing. But this is just another person that's entering the situation that also has to respect the boundaries that have been set between the Copan, and what are your suggestions council floor win? You even introduce a new person to your child. Do you have thoughts about that recommendations? Just my personal opinion. I am against parents. Introducing children to every partner that they meet that can lead to some computers, as to what relationships look like moving forward for their child. Also just wanting to protect the child from a lot of different energies. A lot of different people their beliefs and their experiences that I mean you bring that into your child's like when you bring it into yours. So I think for me, you know, I recommend and for myself, if you know that there is, this is a very serious relationship. And he's already said if this person you know about. This person you you've met each other families, and you're talking about the Knicks step in life together as a couple, I think, then we start to slowly integrate. Introducing the children to your partner, again, that takes time and, you know, and it will take a lot of explaining to the child that this part is not going to replace your parent. This is just who mommy or daddy are choosing to have intimate relationship with God, you, you already kind of mentioned earlier about, you know, this will end Gina in Serey in Swiss beads and keys, Massana like they seem to have at least with their sharing kind of going step even beyond like collaborative co-parenting where, like it's, you know, everybody is together, and we're gonna make ation together and all of that kind of thing. Do you think that, that is what couples or co parent should be striving to achieve? Or is it just another way that co-parenting relationship can look? I think this just another way that it can. I don't think that, that is for everyone, nor does everyone want that type of relationship. So I again, it's really up to the partners as to what they want their relationship to look like this is very individualized choice and I admire their relationship. But I'm not sure that everyone would be able to maintain or even thriving type of situation in, if you hear their stories they will tell you that it wasn't always that way. It sounds like they started off in a high conflict on co-parenting situation, and they had to navigate through their emotion for them to get to a place where they are now again, not instantaneous. But it requires a lot of attention to your own personal emotions reflection working to get it through, you know, some issues that have been unresolved. But most importantly, I think that, you know, the Keats their situations. They always keep the children I bribe in those situations. And you know. Some may not, but that works well for them. And you just have to choose what situation work best for you. I really appreciate you sharing that because I think sometimes you can have an internal since of shame or other people try to shame, you for maybe not having these idealistic ideas or idealistic pictures of what a co parenting, relationship should be. And I think it's okay like you said to have the relationship look like whatever works for your family. Right. Correct. And, and one thing you know you have to make sure that you're not listening to either family friends, or even media social media as to what works best for you. You know, so, you know again, does all the pains, but they're not in the situation and they may not have the same emotional investment that you have to make sure that your child is thriving. So just making sure that if you would like to receive some feedback that as awesome. But making sure. You don't internalize that in a way that makes you feel like you should be making a different decision than what, you know, you've already established as a good co parent situation for yourself, do think that brings up an interesting conversation about how to get your community like your families in friends, family members and friends kind of bought into the idea of whatever you and your paying your co parent decide the relationship will look like, or the special considerations, or things people should keep in mind about, like how to get the, the community on boy. Yeah. I think you'd have to say abound, res as for me, you know, making very clear when people give me their opinion, I say, thank you, but that's not what are chose to new in this situation. So one, you have to know exactly what you want, and how you wanted to look in communicate that to your partner. Again. This is a co parent situation out of village situation. So just making sure that you and your co parent on the same page before other people's opinions and feedback star to kinda paint that because again, they're not privy to the information that has been disseminated between you and your co parent and, and most of the time, people have, you know, good intentions, but they're not you so setting those boundaries are pretty important. I mean so when someone starts to kinda comment on your situation you being serious third and thing you know, thank you. But this is kind of how we choose to parent are. Child got you. So are there particular resources that you found really helpful for co parents to either read or videos to watch like what kinds of things that you think could be helpful for somebody navigating co-parenting situation there blog called a single mother survival God that I find really helpful some very helpful tips on that. But as far as books, I really, really recommend a book called co-parenting the black girl guides to co-parenting by data. Joel, I think this book is very well, written. It's very short read, but it, it gets down to the point. Also, we don't wanna leave out the parents, who or the Copan in relationships, where we have one partner who wants to have a positive co parent relationship, and then the other part of who isn't an invested that invested in creating that type of relationship and some of those situations do it is. And so there's a book called co-parenting with the toxic ex that I find somewhat helpful to help the parents who really want to create a positive. Relationships and navigate and really pay control of how to manage a co parent relationship when the other parents, not as involved or invested and then again as co parenting with the toxic X by Amy Baker and Paul fine. I think that's very helpful will that we can use those particular situations. So let's touch on a little bit too 'cause. Yeah, don't want us to leave that out. So that's a great resource. But I also wants to hear from you what kinds of gestures you would have. I mean because like we said, we have kinda spent primarily this time talking about, if both people on board. Right. But what if the other partner is not on board? Or maybe you are really excited about it and really want to make it work. And then the other person is not. So what kinds of suggestions, would you have their one Joan get frustrated because the other co parent doesn't want the relationship that you want. And I think that's key because I'm sure we all want to create a positive experience for our child. But there are some co parent who aren't ready for. That so for you to kind of lead by example, I know it's always hard for us when we are the more mature one to always take the high road. But again, this is not about us, this is about the child, and so making sure we don't get involved in that trap of kind of confusion, and chaos that some co parents, create by not wanting to have a positive relationship. But again, staying focused on what can I do in this situation to maintain a positive relationship with my child and again, that would probably go back to one of those Copernicus out where you have a parallel co-parenting situation where you parent the child on your time, and how you fit as long as healthy, and it's not abusive, and I will cope here, you know, the way that I choose my time. So maybe having a separate Copernicus situation may be the best readjust to save your sanity in making sure that you don't become emotional at every exchange or every communication. That you have with the co parent. Yeah. 'cause I would imagine that, that still 'cause down on the conflict. Right. So even though, ideally, you may want a situation where both of you are involved in making decisions together. And that kind of thing if that can't happen, then, like you said, just making sure that both people are parenting, in a way that's not abusive and not harmful maybe better than trying to like work towards getting it where you're on the same page. Absolutely. It, it goes back to accepting the reality of the situation that you're in, you know, you may want something different. But the reality is, you know, you may be co-parenting with someone who doesn't want the same co-parenting style issue. And that's okay. But how do you make that work with, you know, making sure that your child is happy perfect? So where can our listeners find you towns with your website as well as your social media handles? Okay. So my website is WWW dot K licks, and it. C. A L, Y, X, psychological dot. Com and I finally have an Instagram. So. 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A look back at Black Hat and Def Con. Sometimes failures that look like accidents are accidents. Russia wants better content suppression from Google. Notes on intelligence services.

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A look back at Black Hat and Def Con. Sometimes failures that look like accidents are accidents. Russia wants better content suppression from Google. Notes on intelligence services.

"A look back at black hat and defcon with notes on technology and public policy participants urged people to contribute their expertise to policymakers power failures in the u._k. At the end of last week are largely resolved and authorities say they've ruled out cyberattack as a possible cause russia puts google on notice that it had better moderate youtube content to put an end to what moscow considers incitement to unrest and china says reports of criminal activity are bunkum now a message from our sponsors observe it the greatest threat to businesses today isn't the outsider trying to get in. It's the people you trust the one who already have the keys your employees contractors tractors and privileged users sixty percent of online attacks carried out by insiders to stop these insider threats. 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August twelve thousand nineteen blackhead and defcon con have concluded and the attendees have now left the nevada desert and return to wherever they came from we heard speakers in several sessions at defcon urge that those professionally involved with cyber security also involve themselves with legislators that they attend congressional hearings send direct messages to the representatives and so so on some of this was civics class good government advice some advocacy some mccall to contribute from the distinctive perspective security expertise might lend to citizen there were signs of mutual interest several members of congress attended which speaks to some recognition of the security communities importance and of interest in the conversations taking place last week in nevada phil stupak organizer of a._i. Village and a fellow at the cyber policy initiative at the university of chicago told c._n._n. Quote we are trying to break down the barriers between the people in tech who know what they're doing and the people in congress who know how to take that knowledge to make laws unquote there were comparable signs of such interested black hat bruce schneier delivered an address in which he called for technologists to contribute their expertise to the public process assess info security magazine quoted him as saying no policymakers understand technology technologists are in one world and policymakers are in a different on world. It's no longer acceptable for them to be in separate worlds though as technology and policy are deeply intertwined and quote your influence as a consumer appea- argued is negligible but your influence as a technologist can be considerable and that influence can also be wielded within the company's technologists work for there were some commendable self awareness and appreciation of complexity on display a proposal for widespread online voting for example received a cool cool reception because the audience of technologists perceived how hard it would be to pull that off and on right to repair laws a hot button issue too many one salient salient point made to the hacker crowd was that corporations are not necessarily malicious in their intent and that they are often good people making decisions answerable to a different set live criteria from those a consumer or hacker might use others noted that decisions about the right to repair are largely made in first world settings that have moved towards a more disposable economy. The same rules might not necessarily apply to emerging economies where equipment has a much longer life cycle and repair air and re-use are not only common but necessary row through so as director of information technology programs for tulane university's school of professional advancement instrument educational institutions like two lane are tasked with preparing their students for the rapidly evolving demands of employers in technical fields like i._t. And cybersecurity security it's a challenge equipped to take on but it is indeed a challenge the word i would use would be transitional just like the rest of society. We're going from a a pretty well articulated process. You go to college you. Get your education. You move onto a job jet generally speaking however ever things are changing. We need to change act speaking from an academic perspective. We need to change with it so with that is the the traditional. Get your education then move into industry. Maybe get a certification or to get some experience. I think that's being ended in disrupted going forward. A folks will need to be lifelong learners. They'll they'll need to be more. Live need to be more adaptive and universities therefore will need to position themselves to provide that kind of education and how do you see that transition taking place on the ground there to lane. We've taken multiple steps apps towards ensuring that we're well. We're turning out students that are well aligned to what industry needs some of the things we've done of will to take a step back doc we think or at least i think that students leaving our programs need to have three distinct areas that they're they're adapted. One is the traditional chill academic areas knowing the concepts very well and that's very important because ask things change. If you understand fundamentally how things are built how things the history of things than you can survive that change as opposed to the second item on my list which would be experienced if you if you and the third i would be certification. Certifications are done to teach you a specific concept or specific technical technology at a specific time times which are great. I think they're important for students but they do not replace academic nor does academic fulfill the entire need and the third is experiential. Oh and in technology the employers which i've done many interviews hired many folks myself employers want some level of hands on experience so universities need to go beyond the academic and teach things that are more hands on and provide more experiential opportunity for students and also perhaps perhaps provide an inroad to getting certification to students. I hear a lot of stories from folks who are out there trying to get jobs that they're frustrated because many of the employers are saying we we've got a ton of openings available here but those openings they're looking for folks with a lot more experienced than you'd come out of college with yeah and i've seen the same thing i hear the same thing i maintain medi relationships throughout industry in fact in rebuilding and building my programs including putting new cybersecurity management masters <hes> what i did was i went out to industry. I brought thirtieth socio c._i._o.'s in seaso's into a room and said what what are you getting versus what you need. I heard some things very clearly and some of them surprised me. I knew that they'd want more hands on technical so we we responded by adding two more two hundred labs to my program so the students were were able to go quote unquote hands on around each piece of academic learning. The second thing i heard <hes> very much was students. Were coming out and one of the problems was they didn't understand understand governance for example of governance and an interacting with teams and leadership that kind of a workplace ace rapper. That's needed so we've we've leaned in on governance and teaching a best practice alignment training risk management and then lastly what i heard and very strongly from business was that technology students were coming out and they didn't have a grasp of how all technology drives the business of they knew they thought technology was to according to the folks we interviewed as as part of building our programs they they thought technology was about technology when really in most businesses and most government technology operations. Your job offers to drive the business. There was a lack of understanding of how to communicate around the business of technology. There was a lack of ability to talk to people warning. The technical end of the business exists for example people in the c. suite so we make sure that our programs are all teaching those skills in. We're doing in very practical wet. That's routh russo from tulane university turning to other events the u._k. Sustained a power failure friday that left about a million billion users in england and wales without electricity the independent reports two power stations one wind-driven the other gas-fired when offline almost simultaneously tena asli after which automatic safety features caused outages to protect the grid as a whole some had jumped to the conclusion that the outages were the result of a cyber cyber attack but according to the washington post this was quickly ruled out power was largely restored friday evening but railroads felt the effects linger into saturday. It was not a case of graceful degradation. Some essential medical and transportation systems were disrupted authorities. Tell the b._b._c. They're determined to learn lessens. It is striking how quickly early speculation about power outages turned to the possibility of cyber attack. It's also striking how quickly the authorities were able able to rule out an attack especially given the extent to which an attack could be masked as an accident it will be interesting to learn more about what the investigation ultimately determines men's about the cause of the incident for now. The criticism in the british press has centered largely on what the editorialists are complaining about the ramshackle quality of the u._k.'s u._k.'s grid deutsche avella reports that russia's internet regulatory body roskam nador warned google not to permit youtube to incite opposition protests on saturday between twenty thousand and nearly fifty thousand demonstrators took to the streets in moscow over allegations of municipal election fraud according adding to the guardian. The lower figure comes from police. The higher from independent estimates municipal election fraud seems to have engaged the russian opposition more than it would in in many other countries. The recent incidents of unrest came in response to the exclusion of a number of opposition candidates from the ballots protests various sizes is have taken place over the past few weeks and they generally met with a stiff response from riot police youtube users in russia did share a number of protest videos russian authorities profess to see this as interference with democratic processes roskam next door complained to google about structures using tools like push notifications gatien's to spread information about the mass protests. The protests would seem to be illegal under russian law and the structures a term not further explained appear to refer to some organized arguably coordinated set of political actors a failure on the part of google to take action would be regarded as quote interference appearance in russia's sovereign affairs and hostile influence and obstruction of democratic elections in russia and quote moscow says it would respond appropriately appropriately to mountain views failure to moderate youtube content in a satisfactory way p._c. Magazine comments on some forthcoming research by insights sites that explores the connections between russia's cyber criminal gangs and the country's intelligence services the gangs operate with the toleration of the security organs since on the condition that they leave certain targets alone and from time to time except certain tasks things the intelligence and security services themselves find the relationship ship useful it would be a mistake however to view russian intelligence and security activities as closely and monolithically coordinated kimberly since who direct threat intelligence for the german industry consortium de s._e._o. Pointed out at black hat last week that in fact the organs are often mutually competing she she named the big three cybersecurity players as the ministry of interior the m._v._p. The g._r._u. with the military intelligence service responsible for fancy bear and and the f. s. b. the foreign intelligence service. That's the principal heir to the soviet era k._g._b. One example she cited involved activities directed against u._s. That's political campaigns in two thousand sixteen cozy bear the f._s._b. Was in early and quietly fancy bear came in noisily in the american idiom loaded forbear and finally to consider another case of intelligence services acting either like criminals or in concert with criminals china's foreign ministry. He has reacted to fire is report last week on abt forty-one. You will recall that. The researchers suggested that a number of state operators were moonlighting as crooks china's foreign ministry dismissed fire is report on abt forty one as ill-intentioned fabrications besides the spokesman adds attribution is difficult colt and china opposes all forms of cybercrime as is well known. It's also well known. The spokesman hinted darkly who's behind most of the bad stuff up in cyberspace. 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Yes we and individuals use password manager s we do so if i'm i'm in an organization that has mandated that my employees use a password manager. Why am i allowing them to use their <unk> own passwords to generate their own passwords. Is there any reason why my employees should be allowed to pick their own password rather than having i random string of characters generated for them and stored in that password manager so you're asking if <hes> if if it's reasonable to set a policy that you we will not be able to set your password that we will pick one for you and you'll use that correct. I think that's a hundred percent reasonable. I don't know if it's possible in the enterprise password managers but i imagine that it might be yeah but it's certainly a feature that it's not there should be there just strikes me that y even give people the option of reusing passwords corporate environment and we still have it seems like we've got this legacy notion that <hes> you should be able to choose a password and something easy to remember and right but we know that's that's that's part of the problem that people reuse their passwords exactly right and if we have a password managers which takes away that problem yeah then we should enforce the proper for use the password managers policy <hes> yeah i guess they still have to choose a password password manager garnet they can also protect that password with a multi factor authentication using all right so you don't mind line of thinking here is not crazy or online or irrational for example in fact if i'm not familiar with the enterprise level password managers because i've never had to use one. I use a personal password manager. If that's not a feature feature in them it should be that as as the as the corporation as a corporation i can mandate in. I can click a box. It says don't let users pick their passwords generated unique password for every site that users use and then when a user says well. I already have a password for this website. Your responses botts is it's time to change it <hes> yeah. Why not if it's business related right application where you're going to put that in your password manager we're going to spin up a new one for you right and it's going to be strong and you shouldn't be you know. This is just my personal opinion but i don't think if i had if i was working at a company where they had an enterprise password commander i wouldn't be putting my personal passwords into the enterprise password manager. No no i i i mean i think in some ways this takes the burden off of the employees agree read one hundred percent. That's what i tell people. I always when i'm giving talks about password hygiene. I always tell them the long litany of things they have to do. These passwords words have to be long and complex difficult. You try not to remember them and you have to change them every so often and we've talked about changing passwords before yeah and you have to have a different password for every site and everybody just goes oh say but you know instead of trying to do all that just use a password manager yeah and it will make it so so much easier once you start using a password manager. You will wonder how you lived without one before. No i can vouch for that. Yes absolutely true all right well. Somebody who think about. I'm i'm sure if there's some flaw in my logic are faithful. Listeners will let us know. They're very good at that so perhaps there's something that neither all of us are thinking about and if that is the case please do let us know we want to know and we'll share that with everybody but <hes> something to ponder so we'll see all right. We'll joe kerrigan. Thanks for joining us my pleasure and that's the cyber wire thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber aber wir possible especially are supporting sponsor observed the leading insider threat management platform learn more at observant dot com the cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe with their co building. The next generation of cybersecurity teams and technology are amazing. Mm cyber wire team is stefan zero to make a smith kelsey bond tim no dr joe kerrigan carol -tario nick valenki bennett mo- chris russell john on patrick jennifer ibon heater kilby and i'm dave bittner. Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow <music>.

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Episode 26  Shay Siegel  Fractured

Discovered Wordsmiths

24:33 min | 3 months ago

Episode 26 Shay Siegel Fractured

"Are you working on your other career? But struggling to get that first book published does the goal of being in a locker seem to like Fifty or thoughts of having multiple books and making a full-time living or as Fantastical is living in Cinderella's Castle welcome to discovered wordsmiths a podcast where aspiring authors can be heard join Stephen Snyder is he finds and talks to authors? You may not know but authors they have gotten their foot on the author career path here what they've done to get there and off they want to go now settle down it's time for a bit of inspiration and advice, listen to today's discovered Wordsmith. Well, she thank you for coming on the podcast. I appreciate it to get started. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself outside of writing life? Yeah. Thanks for having me. I am from the East End of Long Island, New York off the past couple of years. I've lived in South Carolina First in Columbia, and now I recently moved to Charleston, but I kind of split my time between South Carolina and New York at the moment. All my family is still in New York. I went to college at Tulane University in New Orleans where I got my BA in English, and I was also a member of the women's tennis team and after that I went onto grad school for my MFA in writing at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, New York. Well, so you've been all over I love being New Orleans. Actually, I was supposed to be on a writers conference on Halloween in New Orleans and it got canceled because of all the wage covid stuff, which was very sad. Oh, yeah, that's too bad. It's such a fun city. So real quick the tennis team. Were you actually on a scholarship or would you just joined the team? Well, I wasn't on a scholarship but I was recruited to be on the team at Tulane. I played competitive tennis all throughout my childhood and and through college. I actually lived at Evert Tennis Academy my senior year of high school in Florida. Wow, so you've really been all over the country to various schools and cities. Yeah, and the East area I guess decided. Wow. Well norlin's. Okay. So with all of that background everything you've done. Why did you decide to start writing? So interestingly, I actually grew up Selective mute. A lot of people are unfamiliar with what that is or happening even heard of it and it's basically an anxiety disorder surrounding speaking. So I've always been very shy but when I was younger there were certain situations where I couldn't speak at all specifically with people. I didn't know well or wasn't comfortable with and especially in school settings. So when I couldn't speak I would write writing was my voice and many ways off and pretty much the only way I felt comfortable expressing myself. So I didn't give much thought to writing when I was younger because I was so focused on tennis, but when I look back on it, I was always writing poems or short stories and then in college when I had to declare a major and think about what I would start doing after college, I started realizing that other than tennis writing was really the one thing. I really enjoyed so I decided to enter the MFA program and pretty much been writing ever since I find that fascinating because I've heard from so many writers authors that got into writing because they had something they were trying to overcome and with you. What was it called? I'm sorry. I'm a Selective mute. Yes, that that that's an interesting because you know, that could be so negative. Do you find that when you log? Younger maybe I'm guessing that the tennis helps you get out of that or how did you deal with that when you were younger? Yeah, I guess I tried all sorts of things when I was younger. It was just very painful being that shy and having that much difficulty speaking and I eventually started to overcome it. I mean, I've still am always had a lot of anxiety about speaking social anxiety. But yeah, the the forms of expression certainly help with it. Well, I found I think that's great that you're even talking on the podcast today. I appreciate that anxiety. Well, I think you know, sometimes the anonymous thing on the internet helps a little bit, you know, we're not actually looking at each other right now. So I think that, you know may help a little bit. I've got a one of my kids has high anxiety and has take medicine birth. It so things like, you know getting out even at the grocery store putting things back on a shelf can cause anxiety and you know, they freeze up but getting on a line with a microphone and headphones. They have no problem done talking to people so, you know in we all have problems with trolls online, but in some ways there's a benefactor certain people that too so it sounds like to me like you're writing has helped you come out of that and and then, you know being able to be on this podcast maybe as hopefully the next little strong I'm bragging I guess hoping yeah. No it certainly is it's it's always great to take steps. Okay, so you decide to get into some writing I take do you still play tennis? Not really? I got pretty burnt out after college actually spending my whole life focused on it. So I haven't played too much in like the last seven years or so. I play a little bit here and there for Fun Pack. Um, but yeah, I've kind of taken to other forms of exercise now. Well, yeah, we all kind of get past that I guess things we did when we were younger sometimes. I wish I still played as much music as I used to so you've written your first book and I found it on rediscovery tell thought that what's it called? What's it about? Yeah, so my debut young adult novel was published just last week. It's called fractured. It's a contemporary coming-of-age story that confronting a lot of societal issues that teens face today. The book is about Mason Vance. He's a teenage football star and he breaks his wrist in the first chapter and when he goes to the doctor's office, he meets a girl lace, who's they're seeing a therapist in the same building and Mason is intrigued by her name starts to develop feelings for her and she begins to learn more about her emotional struggles and that she deals with mental illness and the story kind of took the course of his literal physical fracture meeting her more metaphorical inner fractures, and he learns a lot about mental health, which he never gave birth. Bought two before and begins to question a lot of his past Behavior, especially because he's a very toxic male character in the beginning of the story. So without giving too much away his Embraces relationship comes to a sort of breaking point one night when Mason's forced to realize he couldn't leave behind who he'd always been as easy as he thought and he set on a path to Healing both physically and emotionally. Wow, so you can correct me if I'm wrong wage. I'm sure you struggled growing up and it sounds like you're using that to fuel the book and help others out there that may be struggling with those same problems or very similar, you know being able to relax to yes. Definitely. I actually had the idea for the book when I broke my own wrist on my twenty-fifth birthday and I started birth. Getting a lot after that about how differently Society sees like conditions that can be seen as opposed to ones that can't be seen them like depression and anxiety and I I think that's great. My daughter has struggled with depression. And I know we tried various many things ought to get her to partly realize, you know, you're not the only one going through this, you know, don't feel alone. So I think that's important. I applaud that I think hearing from people who have also strong, you know, it's one thing if you know JK Rowling wrote A Book Like Yours. Yeah. Yeah great. You know, how can you relate to that? Exactly? So I think it's important for people to understand that when you're you know going through this not everybody there. There are more people out there. Not everybody understands that. Yes, exactly. Yep. So did you think of making him the tennis star instead of the football? So for some reason he just was a football player my life had when I imagined him. I mean, it's like it's a very Macho Sport and oh guy and I actually I don't even really know all that much about football so I had to learn a lot but I love that because that seems to happen to me too. It's it's I always tell people it's like there's another world and I kind of pull open a fail and peek through to see what's happening. I don't think it up. It's just me reporting what's going on on yeah. Did you ever see the show Friday Night Lights? Yes, I want. Okay. Yeah when you said that about the football star getting hurt made me think of that cuz I was a great show. Yeah, so writing this your first book. What did you learn? And what would you change? different I guess I learned how much decision-making and how many steps are involved specifically in self-publishing even after you've fully finished writing the novel and now having all the power can be both a blessing and a curse. It was an overwhelming process to self-publish and I often found myself wishing. I had more support or help especially cuz I'm pretty indecisive. I don't necessarily think I'd do anything differently other than maybe publishing sooner than I did. I kind of tinkered with my book a lot for the last couple years just because it wasn't published yet and I had no plans to publish but I had essentially been finished with it for like two years before. I finally I decided to LEAP in and self-publish. Okay, so these things you've learned are you thinking about a second book and going to apply some of this to your next book? Do you have a more confidence to get another one out? How's that feeling off? Yes, I definitely have plans for next book. I recently started writing a new young-adult book. It's partially inspired by true events. It's another temporary coming-of-age story, but very different story line than fractured. I haven't written much of it yet, but I would still like to explore the possibility of traditional publishing and an agent. If not just to get a different experience and learn more about the publishing industry as a whole. I think that's great. Actually traditional publishing has kind of scared me. I don't know if I could take hearing from so many people to say know back home. So have you had people read it and gotten feedback from some people. What have they been saying? Yeah. I've had a lot of really positive feedback from readers some reviews on Goodreads and Amazon. I actually worked with a publicist and they put it up on netgalley for a few months off. So it's really nice when you see readers who have read it and just to feel like they totally got it like what you were trying to say in that message you wanted to get across so it's just really really great when you see readers connecting in that way with your work. There's been a few discouraging review page. Is I think it's just mainly because my book is a little bit controversial in terms of content and be uncomfortable issues that addresses and my narrators very unlikeable wage. So I think some readers just don't really like that. Then I have to remind myself that that's okay. It's not for everyone and no author can create something that everybody just completely loves it's impossible. So right even JK Rowling has negative reviews exactly. So those who connects with it and love it. Those are the core group of readers and just try remind myself of that and it's over all been very encouraging and positive was getting the same reviews and dealing with that. Was that something that held you back from wanting to publish At times it just it's hard when you have so many people saying so many different things and you're letting them all influence your thoughts. So being level-headed about it is really important and knowing what you can use to better your writing and what you just really need to ignore. I think that's great. Cuz I hear so many authors say that they they've got something written or they've got ideas but they're afraid of the negative reviews. They don't want to hear the negative reviews or Thursday. They do read them and then they just freeze up and stop. So I think having to deal with that is something a lot of authors struggle with yeah definitely condemned discouraging but just have to push through it and put it aside right. It sounds like you've had a couple but you had way more good feedback and then has that helped push you to get the second one done a little faster. Maybe than the first not necessarily mean. I'm a pretty good writer. I yeah, I mean, I've I've gone in phases of just feeling a little bit too discouraged to write or just having birth. Distance to writing I guess but I definitely do really want to get this book out there this next one, but I do write pretty slow and I revised a lot of like I pretty much from my first draft to the finished product. There's basically nothing from the first draft that's in it by the end. So it's a long revision process for me. So when you get discouraged or don't feel like writing, what do you do to get back into it to get yourself in the right mindset to do it again? Sometimes I just forced myself. I just opened up my computer and just say I'm just going to write for like a page and if I want to stop after that fine, but I'll probably more often than not probably nineteen times out of twenty. I will end up writing full chapters and it's mainly just the will to sit down and do it. That's the most important I think and I I think you just nailed it right there the difference between a a professional author and a hobbyist whether you want to or not. Sometimes you just gotta sit down and do it and I'm like you there are times days. I'm just not in the mood. I don't feel like it off but then I start, you know, writing and creating a next thing. I know, you know pages are done and hundreds of words are flowing out and I don't want to stop so I agree at home. Times you just have to make yourself do it. Yeah absolutely. Can't wait for inspiration to strike. You'll be waiting forever. Right? Right. So what are you doing to Market your book? I heard you say you were on netgalley for a while. And I know you're on reads the discovery. Are you doing anything else? Well, I hired a publicist about four months before the release. So I've been working with Smith publicity and not yeah, they put it up on that Callie and they have been monitoring all the reviews and request through there and they've reached out to several book bloggers and book grammars and media Outlets. Just anything to create any sort of Buzz around the release date. I've now been writing a couple articles and listicles for media Outlets that have to do with some of the themes in my book. So basically you're just trying to get my name out there at the moment, but I'm not actually doing any marketing right now. I definitely plan to learn more about Amazon ads. Once my publicity campaign is up with them. Okay, great job. And when you are writing what software and services do you use? I use word for all of my writing. I've always used words since before high school. Even I I just feel very comfortable with it does the job for me? I haven't formatted my own books. So I don't have any software for formatting. I hired a professional to do the interior formatting and I can definitely see why it would be valuable to learn to do my own formatting since you can't make any further changes without that software and you have to go through somebody else with any little change you want to make sure but I just didn't really want the stress of learning something new. I wanted it done like fully correctly and professionally there's definitely be something to be said about that. If you're a writer you don't necessarily change your tires and you don't fill up the oil. You know, I hire people to do that so fog Adding even advertising put it online. I think that's coming around more and more that there are some Services out there. The the problem is the slight margin and being able to make a profit even hiring somebody to do some of those. Yeah. Okay, so site change when you were growing up or even now what are some of your favorite books and authors? I really love young adult contemporary and coming of age. That's basically all I read right now. So my favorite authors in that genre are definitely John Green and Jay Asher. They were huge Inspirations to me when I first started taking writing more seriously about ten years ago now so yeah, I've read all of their books and I just love the powerful messages and issues. They confront and I really love John Greensburg memorable characters. And where you live and you may not have been there in a while, but do you have any favorite bookstores around you? Yeah, I love stag Harbour and Southampton books on Long Island. They're two different bookstores with the same owner. There's not really a ton of local bookstores in the area. I grew up but those ones are definitely special and have a really great atmosphere. I haven't I haven't been to New York in a couple months, but I'm definitely looking forward to going back and visiting those bookstores especially around the holidays. Right. Yeah, I agree. We I've been trying to get to a couple of bookstores that some of them are open. Some are closing and it's not a it's not happy for me off. Well, Che do you have any advice for new Authors that may be struggling to get a book out or even maybe some teens that are having problems like they're alone in the world about you know using writing to help get through life. Sometimes any advice for any of them. Yeah, I would honestly say to just keep writing. I feel like that's the most valuable advice any of those can get it feels simple, but it's easy to lose sight of why you started and allow some of the joy of writing to be sucked out due to the outside circumstances and rejection and difficulty of publishing and just things going on in our lives but I started writing because I love it and it's my voice so I don't need to take my own voice away when there's enough obstacles that come along with being a writer. So I'd say remember why you started and don't lose sight of that no matter what happens with publishing and marketing and so on. It's really about the writing first and that important change of expression. Great. Thanks. Tell us one more time. Before we go. What's the name of your book and we're all can we find it. It's called fractured long. It's available on Amazon. It's also enrolled in the Kindle unlimited program on Amazon. So if you have a Kindle unlimited subscription, you can read it for free and change all information about my book. My social media can be found on my website, which is Shea Siegel. It's s h a y s i e g e l Wonderful. Thank you. Say I appreciate you taking some time talking to me today and telling everybody about your book. I wish you luck in that and I hope maybe we touch base again sometime when your second book comes out. Oh great. That would be great. Thanks so much. Thank you for listening to discovered wordsmiths come back next week and listen to another author discuss the road. They've traveled and maybe sometime in the near future. It might be you off.

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201 - Covering TV and Trump in a Crazy 2020

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22:33 min | 4 months ago

201 - Covering TV and Trump in a Crazy 2020

"Ready to triple your creative production. speed sell. Tra is a software for scaling creative and content in the cloud in cell dra. Brad can create and launch all the variations. They need for successful campaigns morris. Ultra dot com that's c. e. l. e. r. a. dot com. Welcome to ya. That's probably an ad. I'm coat in your committee editor. David greiner is off this week. But you're going to talk a lot about tv watching tv how politics can affect the way we watch. Tv's perhaps and we are joined by aj cats from tv naser. Hi aj rigaud hora. How are you are you are you doing. I know you've been so busy this year. You're probably one of our most prolific contributors to the site your stories on ratings and other news surrounding the tv world are generally in the top ten of every week So how has this year been for you. It is unbelievably busy I'm mark might fourth year at ad week and My third year running tv user and this is easily been the busiest era of my time here iconic expected at this being election year. But i guess they didn't know how insane the news cycle would be And of course that's driven by our commander in chief who Who manages to say a different thing you every day and that gets that gets the television news industry in a tizzy So yes Long story short. My my life is Is very busy. And i stay up late having to cover him and having to cover her. How the networks cover him and And yet it's been a heck of a time i Was up 'til about twelve thirty. Am last night writing stories about the debate so Still recovering from that. But you know it's It's a fun time right here. Let's get into that but before we do that why don't we give a primer about what. Tv news risk for. Maybe the folks not in tv industry and a little bit about your background. Sure so my background gosh. I graduated from tulane university back in two thousand nine I worked at william morris agency which is now w ami entertainment or maybe it's endeavour. I'm not sure that companies names a couple times. But i started out my career working for a talent agent who represented broadcast tv talent Some of them were sportscasters. Some of whom were newscasters. Who i Ironically cover these days So i did that for a couple of years. I realized i didn't want become an agent. So i moved over to the network side. I i worked in the research department for a couple of networks analyzing ratings worked with nielsen. A bit employed by comcast. I worked on ratings for the network and on g four which became esquire And i think that's gone under And then i left there to go work on a sports television show on fox sports network and then i moved back moved over to the journalism side writing writing for broadcasting and cable and multichannel news magazines covering cable news industry and again ratings and i moved over to add week amid twenty sixteen and worked with chris. Ahrends who is now our average managing editor on the tv news blog and heaving user guests for the folks who don't follow it closely. It's history of this cult. Following in the to television industry. It was created by brian. Stelter back in two thousand four. Who is now. Cnn's chief media anchor and We track the news about the news industry so we cover have big program moves big. Speak to folks it networks about we get their thoughts on what's happening. We tracked Anchor moves we track ratings stories. You know we interview everyone from network presidents to producers two talent getting folks know thoughts on the industry in on the landscape right now and and yes. I've been doing that for a little over four years now and it's quite a time to be to be covering the broadcast and cable news industries. Yeah absolutely. you're you're really the perfect person to to be on the knows about Every time a ratings report comes out you have a broader sense of What's happening in industry overall. Since you know. Abby covers both media and marketing So you started this. You know right with a new president And by the way you. And i both know. But i'll also share with our listeners That back in my day. I was a tv reporter. So i knew about Tv spy which covers more of the local tv news world and has kind of a cult following of its own. You're on that ladders up to two tv newsletter and there are various kind of verticals or sections that you cover so wanna get a broad sense of you know twenty twenty More people were keeping a close eye on the news with election year and then the pandemic head and streaming tv consumption when way up what happened with the rating than. What have you seen since. I mean you already kind of alluded to to our president Making kind of polarizing remarks and that brick or is an attention to two screens. Well i mean it's interesting Newscasts like the evening news. You have your world news tonight. Your nbc nightly news Near cbs evening news. The ratings Especially mid pandemic were through the roof whereas high as it had been years and there are a number of reasons for that number one People were stuck at home with not a lot to do and number two people wanted to keep track on the latest events They want to know what's happening. Not just in their own communities. But what's happening around the nation. They want to know now. Updates for how many folks are getting sick. What's the infection rates Ebbs and flows of of the corona virus in the country so you saw a significant growth in viewership on the evening news and you know and looking and cable news is growing exponentially over the past couple years You know it's a it's very tribe. Last time you've seen fox news getting its biggest drug his largest audiences ever. You've seen huge numbers or msnbc sort of the resistance network people who loathes trump or or going over there and they're turning to personalities like rachel natto and chris hayes and lawrence or donald joy read and the folks on morning joe to get their news As i mentioned tucker carlson's love him or hate him. He is the most watched host on cable news. Right now And he's he's drawn as many viewers as a lot of shows on broadcast. You know your big brother bachelorette. His numbers are in line with them. Which is sort of extraordinary these days. sean hannity. Also getting huge audiences so You know linear television is far from dead right now. now that said it does. Skew older The news industry is always done quite well with the fifty five plus range not quite as well with twenty five to fifty four younger audiences are not quite as interested in the news and that's indicates forever and that still the case but certainly the interest in news during the pandemic was as great as it's been a long time and that's that's great for the television news industry and that's certainly carried over to what we're seeing now with record ratings on cable as we as approached the election seventy percent marketers spend more time producing digital advertising content than they like. Don't be one of them. Find out how creative automation can help. Learn how at dot com that c. L. t. r. a. dot com. I know this is less of Your general purview but I have seen more engagement and interest in the debates so is that reflected Whether they're watching it on a different screen. And i know that's part of your nielsen ratings. what's happening. You know with the also polarizing debates on twitter is alight with All commentary but what's actually happening to. Yeah i mean look your linear viewership is still strong. I think the first biden. Both trump debate earned around seventy three million viewers which is an acid number. Believe it or not though. It's actually down from the first clinton trump interview back in two thousand sixteen. We're joined a record. Eighty four million Me now and there are a number of reasons for that. You had donald trump celebrity and his own rights and be you historic candidate in hillary clinton. So you still you bring those two factors together and you have a massive audience but Biden trump drunk seventy-three million years just on Winning your and well and as well as digital platforms is still quite extraordinary number And in terms of last night's debate the second and final presidential debate. Those numbers are gonna come out later this afternoon. We're this on a friday. But what are you Kind of expecting as a lead up to the election. Obviously the way we cover news as reporters journalists has shifted a bit. But how do you expect any kind of coverage to to shift especially you know with the pandemic happening and and what are broadcasters. Planning is any different for this year. I mean look. The pandemic has influenced everyone around the world and that includes the news industry. Now you're going to have a lot less of a presence in studio election night is known for You know it's it's crazy in studio ghibli running around with stats trying to get updates. They're dealing with ulcers it's not something to control ruben around the studio you're not gonna have that On november third the an started to have conversations with the folks who are running coverage for the respective news networks on election night You're gonna have a lot of folks who are working remote and you are going to have folks working from the studio by combining to is going to be no small feat. This is an ordeal unlike. Anything anyone experience so it'll be interesting to see how how the networks handled this Just more generally Cvs which is broadcasted from the cbs broadcast center which is over on midtown west for our listeners. they are now moving their coverage. The com- cbs headquarters times square at fifteen fifteen broadway. So they'll have a brand new studio over there. We'll have more space all the bells and whistles And they're actually Because they don't have a dc bureau chief right now fueled full-time. They're still hiring. They're going to have a former cnn executive running their election night coverage so so that's going to be a change for them. You have a lot of the networks. You know installing new technologies for their coverage Everyone just general We're going to be more careful You're going to have more social. Distancing people are going to be masks again. You're going to have fewer people in the studio you know and also just through is going to be preparation for more days of this. This might not end on november third This might not end on november fourth. So now works preparing for this to take up a few days and they're still finalizing coverage plans. But it's definitely going to be a night unlike any other that television news industry has has as experience. That sounds like a tagline So one personality one Anchored that Won't be on the fox. Stage is Shepard smith who As you covered you know moved on to cnbc In your view What are some of the other. Big name network Changes for for this year shorts for like the industry which is always evolving. But of course yes. So as you mentioned shep shepard. Smith left fox october. Twenty nineteen Over show as a creative differences appointed kindly with A couple of the fox news. Primetime so he recently launched his own newscast on cnbc. Which one when one thinks of cnbc they think of financial news and investor news during the day and not necessarily an evening newscast by He is created his own giving newscast and So that's gotten off to a start that started last month so So the move from fox to sandy with sort of unique move for shop and for the industry Joy reid getting her own show on. Msnbc in the seven pm our is as significant. She had been a a weekend host for the network. She hosted a two hour morning. Program named am joy and got a promotion over the summer to the seven pm our And the name of her seven pm show is called the readout and she helms. Msnbc's political coverage. Now along with rachel. Nanno and nicole wallace and brian williams so her her elevation has been big for vam You have a tom. Yomas and lindsay davis over at abc news who are now the faces of their new streaming service. Which is named. Abc news live Kristen welker who Everyone got to know farmer last night for her for her performance which seems to be universally liked among both conservative media figures and the mainstream media which you know you don't get a lot of agreement these days but everyone seems to think that she did a nice job on on thursday evening she so she got her gym became She was named the weekend today. Co host back in january So in addition to her long-time role as nbc news white house correspondent she also co hosts nbc news weekend morning. Show weekends day on saturday. So she was named host of that program in january chris matthews departed. Msnbc on march suck There is some negative headlines swirling around him. There were some accusations about an appropriate behavior so he left the network back in march. So yes those are some of the bigger What we like to call recall endorsed stories right. Robin twenty twenty right and there has been some shakeup in the industry which I think you'll agree. You know it is Kind of a an old school model and values and had to change especially you know with times up and Me metoo and black lives matter. And you know you mention joy who happens to be black and rachel who happens to re Part of the lgbtq. I plus community but You know tv has always tried to kind of Visual he cast out of diversity but you know when we look at the kind of the higher up. Execs right Do you think there's more of a pressure here. Not just from a financial standpoint but In you know for example susan's appearance. Ski you know is now leading At a larger capacity at cbs news You know you some might say criticize that. Tv news as the kind of old boy model. So do you think that you know even in the marketing industry right. We we've seen tremendous changes on the cmo level. Matt definitely more representation. Not just from the dna officers or the chief diversity officers but but at the top so are we slowly getting there with Tv slowly slowly but surely one prominent example of this Nbc news their new chairman at cesar conde He stepped into the role over the summer. He was the chief of telemundo enterprise for a long time so he he was in the family. But i'm he replaced andy lack over the summer. And that's sort of a big deal in the news industry to have a latin american Chairman of news company so He is oversight not only of nbc news but also msnbc telemundo and of cnbc so that sort of a big deal in the industry. These days As i mentioned joy reid first black woman to have an evening Cable news program. I on weeknights Harris faulkner from clocks is a host of a midday news programme. She's african american but joy. Reid is the first to have one on weekday evenings. So that's important you know. And then don lemon has obviously been in prime time over on cnn for a long time so On the executive ranks nbc naming Scissor conde was smart move. He's done quite well for telemundo. And i think it was probably the right thing to do by nbc to have him run the the whole shebang now but yes. There are certainly a lot of improvement that needs to be made I think now you need. You need more diverse voices more diverse people to better reflect the country in newsrooms and there has been some improvement. but it's definitely It's slow. I think folks are recognizing that improvements to be made and we seem to be moving in the right direction. Great and unless you have something that we haven't covered yet that super. And i just want to ask you know what does aj cats watch when he's not watching the news or the newscasters What's on your plate. Gosh as i know right. I'm the. I'm the news nerd but as i've been i'm a former jot so i've i've been watching a lot of sports as of late. I've been watching. The world series and nfl. Football and i was watching the nba playoffs. You're a lot of I've been watching fargo with chris. Rock is the face of a benign fargo. So that's been cool and And yet now it is. It is a hell of a time for For television not just news just ran repayment and sports as well and i serve as soon as as soon as this election is over and we're going to catch up on some more more entertainment programming. Because i do have my hulu in my Subscriptions amazon prime. I just don't get on a good as much usage at of them as i should. So you know as soon as soon as this election stuff calms down. I'll definitely catch up on on actual find interesting television. I you know stressful tv right. I thought you were going to sit here and catch up on sleep. But hey it's gonna be a bad idea. I think you're well asia cats from tv news earth. Thank you so much for sharing your insights and spending some time with us on. Yeah that's probably an and make sure to subscribe and review can also send us an email at podcast at aggie dot com. Diner will be back next week. This episode was produced by yours truly edited by les mcgivney with music by home. We'll see you next week.

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How Can You Help a Friend with Depression?


07:30 min | 2 years ago

How Can You Help a Friend with Depression?

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There's good reason for this nudge, a more than sixteen million American adults experience major depression with only thirty five percent of those affected turning to a mental health professional for treatment effective treatment can lead to partial or complete remission and thus a vastly improved quality of life. But one of the tricky things about depression is that it can prevent people from getting help still despite these numbers a lot of people are confused are anxious about how to handle a potentially depressed loved one. How can you tell if someone is really depressed and how exactly should you approach the person? What if they get mad at you for asking? Although a lot of variables are at play. And it's impossible to predict a reaction experts insist that it's always better to make a true and carrying effort. We spoke with Matt Onarato director of social work and an adjunct clinical assistant, professor at the Ohio State University. Wet. Sner medical centers Harding hospital. He said a people who contemplate suicide are embitterment up to the end. They want the pain to end. And if there was some other way to end the pain than kill themselves. They would take that. There's always hope you make a small gesture of. Hey, I'm here if you need me, and that could stop someone a week later from trying to kill themselves, the small things we do make a huge impact. So how do you know, if someone is dealing with depression almost all of us get the blues at some point feeling down about our lives or selves, the difference with depression is that this feeling does not lift and has not improved by spending time with friends or taking part in fun activities some fairly well known symptoms of depression include sadness and loss of interest in hobbies enjoyed in the past weight gain or weight loss. Trouble sleeping or excessive sleep difficulty. Concentrating and suicidal thoughts or comments a general ability is a lesser known and often overlooked symptom. Verbal statements of feeling emptier. Worthless are also important to note as well as physical symptoms like pain fatigue, headaches or stomach aches, if any of these symptoms last more than two weeks and interfere with the person's life functioning in some way. It's probably not just the blues like any serious illness depression needs to be treated to get better. A lot of people are scared to approach left. What about depression or suicide a whether it's because they don't want to offend the person are afraid to make the situation to real or are worried that they'll get yelled at we also spoke with Dr Catherine brunette assistant, professor at the school of social work at Tulane university via Email, she said anytime sensitive issue was brought up the potential for defensiveness or anger is there. She also noted that you're not necessarily in for a fight though. Quote, everyone responds differently and many people may be relieved to talk about their struggles. Especially if a non judgmental insensitive approach is taken. In the event that the person does react unhappily. It can be helpful to be open and direct about your emotional response, therapists, suggest saying something like I understand you're going through a lot. But when you snap at me. It makes me feel sad. There's no guarantee that one talk will result in action. And that's okay, Burnett said sometimes they friend seems to blow you off you can affirm that you just care about them. And are there if they ever want to talk your friend may not respond immediately. But your care may have left an opening for future conversations. When you do initiate the conversation calmly expressed concern, then let them do a lot of the talking. Listen, I hold off on any problem solving or suggestions, it might sound silly. But just listening to a person's experience of depression can help them validate that experience for themselves. Once they've had their say, therapists recommend asking probing questions. Like how bad does the scat? A does it ever get worse than what you're telling me? Are you aware of having a lot of guilt or shame? Just void saying things. Like look on the bright side, or it's not that bad or even something like when I was depressed. Once I started walking every day. And I got better. Remember, the depression is a systemic illness. It can affect a person's whole body and being so it needs treatment tailored for every individual person. It may take time, but hopefully, they'll come to the conclusion that their depression can be treated there are lots of options, depending on how severe the situation is if the person is suicidal. There are services that offer twenty four hour access to trained professionals and other resources in the US. Try looking up the National Alliance on mental illness or mental health America. Or these suicide prevention lifeline or the substance abuse and mental health Services Administration some services are free. And there are federally funded outpatient and inpatient programs available to folks without insurance with payment based on sliding scale, according to income if the situation is less urge. Don't talk to your friend about what option they might be most comfortable with this could start with a trip to the family. Doctor a, particularly if your friends doesn't want to see a therapist after all primary care. Doctors are also able to rule out any other medical 'cause like Siread problems or Nimia they can screen for depression prescribed medications and refer patients to mental health professionals, many employee assistance programs offer free or reduced cost counseling sessions to staff and family members. So be sure to check your specific plan for counseling and other resources. Onarato said, I think culturally were becoming in America more comfortable talking about mental health, depression, and suicide people are being more open, and knowing that there is help out there that you won't be judged and are not alone. Today's episode was written by Elliott Hoyts and produced by Tyler clang for iheartmedia, and how stuff works for more on this and lots of other topics. Visit our home planet. Testif- works dot com. Hey, brain stuff listeners instead of an ad today. I wanted to tell you about new podcast, they think you might dig for my friends, Robert lamb, and Joe McCormack, you might already know them from the weird science podcast stuff to blow your mind. Their new show is called invention each episode of invention examines different technological turning point and the people and cultures the provoked the change they consider the origins and impact of everything from the guillotine to the vending machine. Chopsticks to sunglasses. 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