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The Death of Princess Diana

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The Death of Princess Diana

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I just wish that I could be anonymous sitting around with my normal human real name Noah machine pining for and also joining us tonight the Chuck Tangle of Conspiracy Theories and his mentor. And Eli when you can snatch the truth from the Geeky back then you will be in their hounded in the Yik by my own itself right right patrons without your support heath could not afford the monocoque it takes to write something like that as a modern day a fraud. I mean I mean Freud. What's Freudian slip? What do you know anyway by Heath Drugs and this is what you get? And if you'd like to learn how to help he score score more paranoia powder stick around till the end of the show and with that out of the way. Tell us what person place thing concept phenomenon or event. Will we be talking about today. Hey well I don't know what you and I'll be talking about with. The rest of these hassles are going to be the death of Princess Diana Princess Diana exact John Jesus in Heath you crushed up. Some adderall snored. It and talk to yourself for a few days. You're ready to help us understand your vision. Vision Quest Police say no. Listen to go no. I hate to disappoint you. There were no drugs involved and a sober inquiry of. That's actually that's not something you should all right. He was transit. Saint Princess Diana I was a member of the British royal family. A philanthropist humanitarian activist fashion icon the first wife of heir apparent to to the throne Prince Charles. The mother of Prince William and Prince Henry and probably a murder victim thanks giant conspiracy. No or she she just died in a car accident and the entire royal family hated her for making them look bad in a very convenient coincidence one of those two things the latter now to be fair multiple government investigations found. It was the boring second thing. I said Boo nerd sat exactly nerds. Also that's exactly what those investigations would find wooden day so we're going to let you be the judge audience because this is the Internet and that's how it works now that's not just quit. I'm done with the show. I quit. I mean cease to be fair. That is how it works. Yup Now though I mean it doesn't actually. Yeah maybe we should our tagline to just and that's how it is now say I've been missing it but so before we get into the whole story. Let's start with some proper nomenclature for being official princess. Diana was actually never technically Princess Diana according to the British royal naming system although she was a princess and her name was Diana so systems system's pretty stupid but how she was born as Diana Francis. Spencer the daughter of Edward John Spencer Eighth Earl Spencer Service Count Author and his wife Francis Ruth Shand Kidd Nee Roche Vis Countess author okay. Go ahead say it now. Now I don't give a fuck what they're naming conventions because they're clearly doing it. She's listening to arms isn't this is like a CVs receipt the second one. It's very clear they go from lease crazy name. You have to name okay. We'll just let me finish. It doesn't make sense yet. Here's the rest of those details in nineteen eighty-one Diana married Charles. Philip Arthur George. Duke of Cornwall Wall Duke of Rothesay Prince of Wales and his mom is Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor Queen. Elizabeth the Second Queen of the United Kingdom Queen of Canada Queen of Australia Queen of the other thirteen rented and owner of pretty much. All the swans sir. All that together that means Diana became Royal Highness the Princess of Wales Duchess of Rothesay and colonel. In Chief of the Royal Hampshire Regiment. The Princess of Wales Royal Regiment and. The light dragoons so finished. There you go. Its mother of dragoons for short actually before your Royal England gives you Wales as an introductory gift basket announced. Ask Prince Harry and David. Don't maybe if England had spent a little less time adding names to everyone like they were fucking pregnant teenager at Akinola and more time accidentally making one palatable. Meal Diana's driver wouldn't have been in such a hurry to get her ass over to Chick-fil-a all right one other detail to establish before we get into the extremely convenient accident on the way to that chick fillet why is the idea of grow succession to the British throne. Their system is insane. It's based on centuries of just weird old-timey rules written by weird subtle variations of inbred bigots combined with a few modern the fixing it. But it's still a line of heirs to the throne is determined by family line legitimacy religion and and gender which is basically a nice way of saying. It's it's a combination of failed. eugenics a violent argument about the rules of magic the gathering of the backyard wiffle ball game. That's been going for thousands of years and remember from Kennel Club dog show with extra points for posture and Crutchfield plus misogyny points off for being a uterus. Haven't they haven't. They didn't fix that until I think anybody born before twenty thirteen big points off for being a uterus spreads to all humanity. Yeah big points off for being a uterus. The other twenty seven countries that voted that they had to leave. It all makes sense to me right. Ah Yes so. Diana was not in line to be queen because of that royal succession thing but she was married to Charles. WHO's first in line to be the next king and her two kids are both in the top six for that which meant that? Any tiny scandal involving Diana would make the whole royal family look bad for example if she had a whole bunch of extramarital affairs while Charles was doing the exact same thing and and then got divorced and then started fucking superwealthy Muslim guys with possible plans to get remarried and have more kids that would potentially embarrass the old old people in the castles. And that's exactly what happened. Okay the only part of that plan I disapprove of. Is the more kids. Portion press sounds millennials today in their Kardashians in my day. We were mad when a princess rode horses with a tennis player scandal. Lost our shoot over that. The story of Diana's murdered F- kill really get started in November of nineteen ninety-five. That's when she did a big TV interview on BBC you see talking about all the affairs that she and Charles were both having and also describing some of her mental health problems. Apparently none of that stuff was acceptable. Little Princess Behavior so the queen of England Lisbeth the second sent letters to Charles and Diana telling them that they were getting divorced in letters and Charles wrote back right away saying okay mom. We'll do sorry we'll get divorced. Ah again a letter. And after some negotiation Diana eventually agreed to the divorce as well. Okay but in the Queen's defense she had to be like Nia Charles Ula eight generations away from the Battle of Agean Cau- and one generation away from my mummy bringing me outside during the bombing of fucking Dresden. So go on the Goddamn Maury show McQueen. Are you sitting there watching this interview at home going. Oh now she has no issue with landmines. Okay Yeah So. The divorce was finalized in the summer of ninety six with Diana receiving a lump sum of seventeen million pounds plus four hundred thousand pounds a year here for the rest of your life. Charles got off easy whatever just however long that life might be and the final settlement also included included a nondisclosure agreement that said no talking about the marriage translation. Charles has a really weird definitely. Ask definitely what that means right like a lizard like looks like an actual Elizabeth Lizard for its Charles. That had like a Frac Dole Peninsula. I was thinking lobster but with the shell off like buster from arrested Prince. Albert would be a little ironic. That's fantastic and of course. There was a legal document to settle her royal title name-change with Diana being officially stripped of the Royal Highness. Part in response her son Prince William told her. Don't worry I'll give you back that full title when I become King and you're definitely still alive to see that so you'll get to well. Hi again. Owing the divorce Diana started dating the perfect rebound spite man. This was house is not Khan. He's one of the world's best heart and lung surgeons he's Muslim and he has a good deal of Melanin. So in Charles's Charles face all that stuff all the stuff Charles is not and eventually that relationship with house not con ended though and during the summer of nineteen ninety. Seven Diana's started seeing Dodie Fed. The son of the Egyptian billionaire. Mohamed Al Fayed. Oh weird side. Note when I worked at Hambley's of London off if I was the owner and he used to throw this giant Christmas party with awesome food and open bar in the store at Christmas but that was the only time anybody ever got to SOM- armed because he wouldn't attend the party but he would end the party by getting on stage that he had erected and singing my way by Frank Sinatra. The stories are like the little details and how none of them are probably true. I you know I just ally singing Sinatra right. Nobody watching him at that Christmas party. So this this courtship with dody fed it seemed to ramp up pretty quickly with rumors of marriage and baby right away but it all came to an end on August thirty first when they both died in a car crash in Paris France. Their driver on re Paul also died in that crash. The only survivor from their vehicle was bodyguard. The Trevor Rees Jones who allegedly bumped his head and very conveniently can't really remember anything about the incident. Now all of a sudden can you imagine being that bodyguard. I mean wakes up your this looks around the blood Iraqis like I had one job in so much trouble slow-motion dive. This isn't helping. I just want to point out that right now. She's taking note of the exact minute where heath himself described blows to the head as convenient. So here's the seek convenient. Here's the sequence of events on the day leading up to the crash Dodi and Diana were staying at the Hotel Ritz in Paris on the night of August thirtieth on their way back to London in a private jet after after a yachting vacation in the French and Italian Riviera but you try to build up some sympathy anyway. They're about to die so he gets settled into their penthouse suite and Dhoti goes out by himself to look at extremely expensive wedding rings at and no Oh not helping. And according to several authors and also the highly reputable Middle Market tabloid Daily Express. dodie was planning to proposed posed Diana the very next day and the only people who could have known that were either very close friends and family or an elaborate network of murder spa labyrinth network of murders the only two options either way together either way gets think about surveillance footage from that jeweler was later reviewed. It showed Dodie leaving without a ring. But according to Dodi's father the couple was planning to announce announced their engagement on September. First there was no evidence of any preparation for a giant media event. Like that and this was one of about hundred seventy five different conspiracy elements that were floated by Mohamed. Al Fayed but still very convenient timing I would say all of this. Just backup backup to the beginning a little bit. You know what I love. I love when rich people without real jobs. Come back from vacation like writes your whole life. Life is the vacation. You came back to vacation vacation. What is Tom's was job? I wonder I don't get what Tom Vacation House. So doty gets back to the hotel and slightly lately after midnight on August thirty first couple decides to go for a ride somewhere alleged maybe to check women a diamond crusted pool all of homeless or go hunt some orphans and a hedge. Maid's rescue Tom. What'd you yesterday so my day off from my other days? You do so they call down to the front desk and have the hotel get him a Mercedes and chauffeur for their ride man. I am not utilizing sizing the front desk properly when I stay comfort in just seemed like she had no idea what the guy was. She didn't know where Chick-fil-a was. She knew that right away. Barely hear through that glass that separates them and so the the car from the front desk and the driver they chose honoree Paul the deputy security director for the hotel and a notoriously Torius problematic drinker. Who was also taking prescription medication that you're not supposed to combine with alcohol? He's possibly also an asset mix. We'll get there. We're circle back. We'll we'll we though you're saying that before. See so edits this. So we'll we have nickelback will circle back. So so Mr Paul pulls the car around and parks it at the rear entrance to the hotel. Meanwhile a decoy vehicle leaves from the front hoping to pull away some Paparazzi. While that's all happening on repeal as a few more drinks and tells a bunch of other Paparazzi to go fuck themselves and yells at the ruins decoy kind of attention and then at twelve twenty am on re. Paul finally drives away with Diana and Dodi and trail of angry Paparazzi on motorcycles following close behind and it looked like the opening scene from fury road. Just a bunch of Paparazzi on fishing impulse swaying over their cars they vote. I do not think the motorcycle cannibals from fury road deserve to be compared to Papa Razzi Razzi. I mean come on trying to make a living out there. The car has repel driving bodyguard. Trevor Rees Jones in the passenger passenger seat and Diana and Odier in the back around twelve twenty three am. Mr Paul drove into the bridge tunnel. Alleged about hundred hundred five kilometers an hour or about sixty five miles an hour. You know like you do when you're drunk driving in a tunnel and he quickly lost control the vehicle crashing shing head on into a pillar that's when a bunch of the Paparazzi on motorcycles swarmed the wreck some of them were decent human beings who tried to help up and others were just taking pictures so they could sell them to magazines pictures of the dead people and the crash scene one. There's a picture takers actually got beaten by other witnesses for not helping. which kind of made me happy? I'm just glad that this was a priest. snapchat atrocity otherwise. The last images ages of Diana would be her bloody corpse strewn across the road with funny dog ear wash. Actually that would have been amazing and right now we can still make that happen. They actually but I don't understand this system like wouldn't you have to beat up all the people that didn't help the guy that the witnesses were beaten up for not helping and that didn't help them inefficient system at the very least right and side note on these photos eventually seven. Paparazzi were taken get into custody by police and about twenty rolls of film were confiscated and in a giant coincidence. None of the ten traffic cameras cameras along the route from the hotel to the tunnel or in the tunnel. We're able to provide any footage. One of those cameras was controlled by the Paris. Urban Traffic Unit it turns out. They turned off the recording at eleven pm. So thanks to this. Very convenient set of anomalies. Those twenty twenty roles of Paparazzi photos were the only photographic evidence of the immediate aftermath of the wreck. Interesting is it not interesting. I mean twenty rolls of film is not no film. That's what they were confiscated and never released east Interesting so the crash killed Dodi Fayed and Paul almost immediately allegedly Diana and the body tales. That's not alleged. Your don't sorry I was trying to help. I'm not trying trying wolf thing. Just let it. Okay Well Guy Yeah Faez and Paul. They're dead almost mealy but Diana and the body games still alive okay too much. It's only don't cheat you and I'll just yeah. I'll let you know okay. Great so Diana and the bodyguard are still alive. When the first set of witnesses approached the vehicle the first person to touch Diana was Dr Frederick? What was there a line? There were multiple people. I guess she's like the Blarney some on like that this doctor. Dr Meyers was driving the opposite direction. In the tunnel and saw the crash happen. He was the first one to try to help her. I guess according to his account Diana didn't have any major injuries that were visible and he later told reporters quote. She looked pretty fine. He also added. I thought this this woman had a chance and quote in his expert medical opinion off no visible injuries. She had a chance very interesting. Yeah right yeah no I mean if it happens inside the body where you can't see it. It doesn't count. That's why coming inside. Someone doesn't produce a baby right as not true as not true. We'll me once on shame on you. It's the first mention of my unborn child on air. Yes really lovely Dan so speaking of Princess Diana and unborn children. Yeah the police arrived about. Yeah we'll get there in a second. The police arrived about ten minutes after the crash quickly followed by ambulances. One ambulance took Dodie Fed. And on re Paul directly to the Paris mortuary and another another one took Princess Diana still alive and apparently just hung out there for a while. She was placed in the ambulance at one eighteen. Am mm-hmm then. They apparently argued about the appropriate music for twenty three minutes to carry very injured. Royalty deep person I don't know and then they finally hospital at one forty one am arriving at two. Oh Six am now according to the boring story all those times made sense something about cardiac arrest. CPR Lab Blad NERD. But if you ask doctor Christian Barnard the surgeon who performed formed the very first heart transplant in history. He'll tell you that the ambulance obviously should've taken straight to the hospital and she would have been likely to survive. He probably wouldn't use the phrase murder conspiracy in his explanation but his eyes would imply it. And that's the tone. I got from reading his stay right but if you and if you ask renowned surgeon Ben Carson. The pyramids were salt shakers so plus eventually that footage was released at least it turns out that extra twenty three minutes just both of the paramedics going. No no after you commenting so they finally get Diane to the hospital. But despite several more efforts at keeping your heart going including something called internal cardiac massage asja which sounds completely made up or possibly code for a sex thing but not a real real despite all that. She was declared dead at four o'clock in the morning at which point the entire United Kingdom lost. Its mind and this included literally. Millions of people bringing flowers to her London residence at Kensington Palace. Within ten days there was a pile of flowers way bigger than trump's inaugural crowd feet deep across cross. What looks like about an Acre of gardens and the bottom layer actually started composting? They eventually had to clean. This up official estimate was fifteen tons of flowers which is exactly the kind of flower pile. You'd want if you secretly killed. Jesus says Christ picturing like man. I feel terrible. I gotta get or something chocolates. No can't chew dead stupid. That's a stupid teddy bear. No Infanta leising housing. No no flowers. I'll bet nobody. Oh fuck yeah so during this very sad morning time. One Italian talion tourist actually tried to steal teddy bear from the big pile. Tom They actually did bring some heavy bears. This tourist got sentenced to weaken jail appealed. The sentence got it reduced to a fine and then got punched in the face by an angry Diana fanatic as he was and this beautiful juxtaposition of football hooligan a princess and a stuffed animal was one of the more British things to ever have. I kinda like that. The couple of rich people died in a car accident. Okay let's see where these push pins entwine lead us. Let's take a break for a little apropos. Nothing don't just saloon. Your highest problem of Diana has become too much to ignore. It's time she'd be taking care of. I see my queen. What what exactly did you have in mind doing? SPA is in her circle. Yes Mike Glenn Gould to them to become alcoholics alcoholics. That way with the movie is right. They can kill themselves against unwashed pillar and take out. The princess and zoe need a SPA slash suicide bomber. I don't say sleigh with that gentleman in place it will be child's play to find a totally unmonitored patch of road for the accident. What will it be yes? Then all we do is send in murdering ambulance and we are ready for a final or your. Oh Highness Murder Ambulance yes. It looks and sounds like an ambulance but it actually finishes her off in case the car crash does not. Oh murderer murderer ambulance Scott got then. All that's left to do is confiscate all photographic evidence in the most public event in British history and no one will be the wiser. Brian fries my queen. If I may ask why well what why go through all this trouble. Why murder all these people to maintain the dignity of the royal family the gentleman to maintain dignity your uncle Hitler to take over the country? You had a six year affair with a woman so public. The King of France gave you matching dresses. Your Dad killed a guy with his car. Your son 'til the television channel. The Jewish pharmacy conspiracies were holding back. homeopathic truth still dignity we left off. We were Monday morning. Quarterbacking Chauffeur's please camera operators. EMT's he's in hospital anything else on the list here heath okay so we talked about the day of the crash and we got into the beginnings of the conspiracy theories or explanations the fact or conspiracy. Now get into the. Did you want to jump in here. Allegedly Yay okay. Nope you're not all right so now we're going to get into the other major holes in the official story getting their host of which we need to. We need to rehearse this ahead next time on in sync return emails. NO WE'RE GONNA get into the other. Major holds the official story. Most of which are still being pointed out by Mohamed. Al Fayed was quite certain. The British Royal Family Killed Diana and and his son. Okay I mean to be fair that British do kill a lot of Muslims. This isn't entirely out of bounds. Yeah Good Goto. Yeah well yeah you know what they say about grieving leaving public figures. They make the best sources very accurate. So we'll start with this character. Who actually we might have been a spy or a patsy? For a team of spies. At the time of his death he had about one hundred seventy thousand pounds across fifteen different bank bank accounts and over the last eight months of his life. He deposited about forty three thousand pounds mostly in cash. That is not the standard gendered. Hey schedule or pay type of employees at the Hotel Ritz or pretty much. Anyone who's not a spy. That's not how you get paid and follow up on this on re Paul thing. There's also a theory that says he wasn't actually drunk. Instead his body got swapped out by British spies phonics another body right after the crowder since the air bags in the front both deployed. It would make sense that the bodyguard in the passenger seat wouldn't be the only survivor so Mr Hall was probably fine. Probably one of the Paparazzi who showed up right away was actually. Am I six and you know he was palm the dead body that perhaps a suicide victim sure they had lying around at six with plenty of of alcohol in his system and the mix guy snuck that other body into the car and snuck Paul out. Ben Calmed Him and the snuck it and then Dan Corpse for alcohol to go along with their official story of a normal drunken crash. The test came up at three times. The legal limit and the evidence for this theory is that it's totally possible. Could pull a new body your sleeves than Eli would done that. A long time ago so he could stop shitting blood Jackson. UC So I am producing a new body. I'm just doing it blood I didn't. You'll be my greatest to save that blood for later. Still where did the blood comes and another big claim from Mohamed. Al Fed was that Diana was pregnant at the time of her death and dody was the father. And according to several staff members at Muhammad's villa in Paris Diana Dodie had visited that House the day before the crash crash in order to meet with a fancy interior designer and pick out a room for the baby but this was later contradicted by a security guard named Ruben morale. wral delicious claimed he was with the couple for that entire visit and never saw the designer or heard any talk about a baby and Morell provided still shots from the security cameras to prove that which all seems pretty damning to Muhammad off. I ed and his story about pregnancy however morale was was selling this information to a tabloid for a pretty big chunk of money. Also still photos can't prove somebody wasn't there that doesn't even make any sense. So why don't you show the whole tape very suspect. Yeah no it's a great conspiracy theory of you've got going win even the claims. That aren't evidence of anything fall apart Okay so I keep adding sections with the words like suspect effect and interesting but this pregnancy theory is not really interesting. Suspect at all during a British government investigation called Operation Paget that started in two thousand thousand four. It tested samples of Diana's blood from the wrecked car and found none of the H. G.. Hormone that would indicate pregnancy and even though it was was super awkward Operation Paget sent around investigators to ask Diana's friends about the state of her diaphragm fram and the timing of her menstrual cycles during that summer and apparently her contraception game was strong and her flow was regular so not pregnant. Probably just adults getting assassinated. I just WANNA say Zygote aren't people so I just wanted to distance myself from all of this. I I said good noncontroversial saints literally. Controvercial still does that to be some awkward interviews This is petty federal. Thank you for meeting pleasure. Just wrapping up a few bits and bobs here and there you understand also also cost. So do you remember Diane's diaphragm being particularly like beat up or so about seven years ago our diaphragm me top. You say yes you know. Did you ever mention like Oh gee my diaphragm looking like a Swiss cheese these days. Let me tell you nope not that I recall no right right. And what about her periods. Then what what what. What about them? Everything seem okay about you know seven years ago tomorrow from that. I don't remember her mentioning anything but again it was a long ago. You remember what she had for lunch. When always just all always all the time I think you I think you should go? Oh probably for the best. That's fair Michael. According to Mohammed Al Fed the French police were clearly in on the plot to and they intentionally embalmed Diana's body way too early against standard protocol. Oh yeah you. They started while she was still in the car. Correct and this would make a pregnancy test during the autopsy give a false result. So that's that's the point embalmed with fetuses. Let's not make it sound ridiculous. It's not just finish. You're not helping duck. And it's full of fetuses defeatists filling love. Tom's my checking. Your blood for fetuses elmes was confusing is a weird image. Let's move on it favorite. Here's what happened not exactly like Thomas Describing the hospital that it was really hot that day. And Diana's body was. I was going to look stupid. Shelter family getting all melted was not on the other side of the building. It's really this so they just use some dry ice and turned up the air conditioner. But that wasn't really working working. Still Get melty. So they embalm the body before the autopsy even happened normally to do that to embalm a body before an autopsy that would require a bunch of paperwork beforehand but in this case they filled out all those forms after the embalming quite kill. You're yeah okay quite peculiar. Is anyone else picturing. Their wife bringing them Princess di just like smell bad too you brought out. And she's like just smell Mel Princess Di and your bad brought in the garbage. We'll get a new prince. Big Hole in the official story involves allows the use of seatbelts. We haven't done explanation about the cease withhold our judgment. Thank you zero. Celts haven't haven't been explained that according to the police reports nobody in the car was wearing their seat belt at the time of the crash. But that's ridiculous because Diana was has a notoriously responsible seatbelt user. All of her closest friends and family agreed that she was a serious belter including her sister. Who described Diana's seatbelt behavior as religious? It was religious seat belting okay. Dan Citation needed. CAST in order of seatbelt religiosity. Go Oh okay. Tom's at the bottom. Oh yeah for sure tons suit. So work is all wrinkled up at the top. Oh excuse blue for no one a DI fuck you. I'm with you okay. All right yeah no Solano are are definitely first and second at the top one hundred eighth texans sounds. That's about that sounds about right. Yeah no why is he lie before me. Well he has a family unstuck and people love him people. Okay yeah that's what it is great so this took a turn Anyway moving the seat belt thing got even more suspicious when the wrecked car was examined in two thousand five By a forensic accident investigator from the Transport Research Laboratory as part of operation paget. He checked out the seat belts in the vehicle and he found that at all of them were in working order except the one in the passenger side back seat where Diana was sitting murdered died. How bad is it sucks though to Diana car crash while with a broken seat belt? It's like during the keys with the murderer coming right behind. You know kids you die with your hand like fucking wedged between the the seats trying to decide if the fuzzy shit of the sticky shit is more. Hey y'all come between the seats was yeah. That was him. Also it's fuzzy so another big piece of the puzzle involves a mysterious. What Fiat Uno that made contact with Diana and Dodi's Mercedes during the crash and after witnesses reported seeing this vehicle leaving the tunnel following the incident? French police started checking out all the white Fiat UNOS in the country and all over Europe in fact but they never found the one they were looking for of of course that makes perfect sense. If Mohammed Al Fayed was correct and the Fiat Uno was owned by a tabloid photo journalist named James End Insen. I was actually a deep cover agent. Who is using a tiny little matchbox car to run? Diana's Mercedes into a pillar the weird dry choice but yes a perfect crime thank you that was helpful. Good so this Fiat Uno and James Anderson Theory was looked into by operation paget as well. They found that ended sin did own a white Fiat Uno but they claimed it was in bad condition and had too many miles on it to be involved in the crash. Fuck that means so this guy. James Ends in sold the car really soon. After Diana's death so he must have been innocent was also part of the theory. I don't get it and that's just great police work except the exact opposite. All the stuff is axis. Ecstasy suspect. Is it not another person to read this with media page. Yeah and that much coq yes yes yeah also also again. I wasn't finished James Anderson died in May of two thousand from a very mysterious so-called suicide aside his body was found in the driver's seat of a burned-out BMW. His head was detached and laying on the center console and there. There was a hole in his left temple and lease reports said the very much bullet hole in his skull was caused by a really hot fire. Fire rather than a bullet and the car keys were missing. And how many times did Bill Clinton Riding Epstein jet. He's just a a more than zero. It's relevant if you cut your own head off as a suicide. That's not mysterious. That's fucking awesome. That is what can want those set set beside you and Polka Hall. And I'm glad I'm not the only one having trouble. That's obviously had extensive spy training to do all that correct eh. One final piece of evidence that Diana got assassinated was there are others before the listing. Warm final piece of evidence that you can add to your pile testimony of Richard Tomlinson pretty small warmer. Am I six officer. Who said she definitely got assassinated during the official investigation by the French government in nineteen ninety nine com Linson gave a sworn statement? That Mitt sworn. You're not allowed to lie. He saw am. I say engineered the car crash. You also claimed that Paul was totally on that payroll of mix along along with the bodyguard. Trevor Rees Jones possibly another bodyguard to and Tomlinson also explained how Diana's death happened exactly like an six plan that he saw in nine hundred ninety two in. which am I six plan to kill? Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic using a strobe light to blind his driver ever and make him crash into a pillar re Paul Cheetahs misread the HR documents about the death benefit Ram. I six didn't wait. Wait so your final piece of evidence that wasn't preceded by other pieces of evidence was a guy said so and and then agreed with himself. He swore on a Bible and it was a perfect crime. Thank you so yeah I I. I'll be honest though. I'm not clear. On how a flash of light would make you smash a car to pillar necessarily rather than just like slowing down. If you've got blinded by are you would you pillared that point but that would be like a seriously stupid plan. If that worked every time a cop turn their lights on. Someone would die Elijah right. Oh Oh Jesus thank you Thomas Helping more than you Eli. I just WanNa let you know Thomas trying but but that is a real plot. Apparently British spies were working on a weaponized flashlight thing to help with regime change so operation paget Gitte had deal with this theory to one witness claimed he definitely saw the flash as he drove slightly ahead of Mercedes in that top. Five that seems seems counter turned around. He did not at any pillars in the mirror. It's like looking at a Medusa he's driving with one. Are Those things you watch the eclipse with. Thank you as fuck you guys. But here's here's the thing with the guy saw the flash. His wife got interviewed by the police to or by operation paget and his wife was like. No you're stupid. That's not what happened. She was in the passenger seat and she did not see a flash so those two kind of canceled out but some American guy named literally. Brian saw the fast I too. So that's two to one for flash nothing else flashes like cameras or anything I mean. Where would you find an army of pop? Radzi that we're following the spies trying to kill you get through your fake moon landing story okay. You didn't actually time looking us. This isn't US fighting like this. temperately us all right. Well in the end Tomlinson got arrested by French. Police lease had a bunch of his computer files and personal papers seized from his house. And by coincidence he also testified for operation paget eventually really and just happened to admit that maybe he wasn't remembering the Milosevic murder plot correctly. And maybe they weren't doing flashlight regime change and and maybe he just misheard the whole thing about my six trying to murder Diana. I mean lots of sentences. Sound like that. Where am I saying? We're GONNA Murder Diana. Yeah no he's like well you know on second thought all the murder plots do have the word die in them. I sat thinking about it. Someone was saying. Oh Susanna Susannah am. I didn't WANNA came in lady. Dufferin me okay. Yeah so just to reiterate rate. This tragic incident was investigated several times by authorities in both France and the UK and they all landed on the explanation that it was just drunk guy and aggressive Paparazzi Anna lack of seatbelts that caused the deaths of Diana and dody and honorable but it's also been investigated way more times than that that by True Crime Authors tabloid newspapers Intrepid podcasters and Egyptian billionaires who got assassinated and those people had different conclusions. So you do. The second group is way bigger stroke true very true and if you had to summarize what you alerted one sentence what would it be heath. We totally shot down that plane over Pennsylvania ship ready for the quiz jerk. Right all right I got one for what was the codename of the ice is operatives who took out Princess Diana we what can I say she. She can't beat them join them. 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POR/SAC Trade; ONeale Extended; Ja Morant Is the Most Exciting Rookie Since?

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

36:26 min | 7 months ago

POR/SAC Trade; ONeale Extended; Ja Morant Is the Most Exciting Rookie Since?

"Good Monday morning to all of you before we get started here I just did. I think might be the best episode that I've ever done with John Hollinger where we really. I grilled him mm for like an hour about what happens at the trade deadline in front offices and in his experience I thought of every incredibly granular question and just just got into the absolute nitty gritty of the process. That add the negotiations and what they have prepared. Whatever one's role is higher you know? Oh you finally actually have it done how you get information for other teams. How deals develop offers are made? It's just everything I could possibly think of and I I learned a lot from just talking to him and I think you'll feel the same way if you listen to search hollinger in your favorite podcast player. You'll find that if for some reason you are not subscribe yet also so our Patriot patriotic dot com slash Dunkin. The Rue we are into high gear now with that with trade season. Got The screen shots out of the celery situations for the Kings things and the blazers within. I think probably about thirty minutes after that trade happened on Saturday and that is what we need to talk about right now. Danny Yeah and it's the second second straight mid January trade. That was a little bit perplexing to me. I think that's probably the right way to put it. I don't know if you felt differently but I think it was probably probably pretty similar. Well why did you think it was perplexing. I didn't quite feel that way but we. This is our first time actually talking since it happened so I guess so. I guess I should clarify perplexing to me about it originally let. Let's give the terms. I the terms were Portland traded companies. More Anthony Tolliver and two second round picks to Sacramento for Trevor Ariza when he Gabriel Bureau cables want again and what what was notable about it to me. What was interesting at first before I thought about the savings element of it was that I thought it was like? Why is another team training for trevor? Trevor Rees isn't isn't the player that we've seen the last two years but then the the savings were a really big part of the story. Yeah it was a Portland reducing their tax bill all was around twenty four million. Now it's down to twelve million. They lowered their team salary by about six million. They had been an actually i. Should I should say that because Mike accusations included use. Nurtures bonus that actually just fucking cut that them cerebral. Yeah that tax bill in Portland when you consider that use of Norwich is not. Can you get one point. Two five million dollar bonus for this year those can be hard to nail down at times goes from almost twenty million to about seven million. They cut about a six million in team salary in the deal and that was Portland was going to be one of the biggest tax payers and now they get to something manageable. We'll see whether in in fact that they're able to continue to get completely out of the tax which gives them their salary commitments. Going forward might be good to try to avoid repeater tax status for them. They're also going to create about a seven million dollar trade exception of and most importantly got back. Yeah Super Important Worth noting also that Trevor Reza while baseball and tolliver were expiring contracts. Ariza has one point eight million or of course keep him for twelve point. You and I both think Trevor Reza is not worth that but that does go on the books and remember that Portland has this optionality. Potentially for using twenty twenty cap space or functioning isn't over the CAP team they could they could always trade or they could stretch that one point eight million if they wanted to Portland is very familiar with. They still have a bunch of stretch salary for including from injured. Nicholson currently on the books. So that so that part of it is also somewhat notable but they're not projected to be a tax team really however it's done and also the idea that I had posited into something Seth Salmon I talked about in our book. The trailblazers trade thing was that they could use instead of using players like Cam as more and Hassan whiteside a salary for other reasons they could also just use those players to take on basically created another mid level exception. You can think about it that way and they now can't do that with Trevor Ariza because he cannot be aggregated. Did you would have to be by himself. I don't know if they want to do that if anybody else wants to do that. So let's let's do so from Portland's perspective the primary benefit here is saving saving money they also somehow thinned out there forward rotation as I would put it just because they traded two players who were who were in the rotation for one. Who isn't to me is good? But for for Sacramento Sacrimento. I also think considering everything else I think. This is a notable trade for them to well. I will take issue with you. I actually think that there's a possibility resumed could help. The Blazers serves more than baseball. I think he's still better defensively than baseball. I still have actually think that he does a pretty good. Johnny has better on size. Yeah Yeah and that's part of the reason he he can guard the best wing on the other team bays more is just a little bit smaller there and kept pace more. I mean he's having low key one of the most disappointing seasons in the the NBA shooting thirty five percent from the field and thirty three percent from three true shooting. Forty eight percent seven point seven. Pr I mean that is just. It's really ugly numbers and his steal rate has helped them a little bit but overall I think a a reason does more for them there and I think they're both Reza probably a a little bit more personal of a three point shy. They're probably about the same type level shooter. You know a thirty three percent type of guy if you had to predict it going forward so I don't think this matters too much but I think Bay's worse played below my expectations and resides plated about him and I think they've been similar levels of players. I agree with you on the fit the defensive issue and so the the idea for me is that base more. Isn't this bad. He hasn't been this bad before so anyway but I don't think that's as huge a part of the story was something you brought up on twitter. I believe it was you. And there's a there's Bob remarks tweet that's also point here is how this is the second year in a row. The Trevor Rees has been signed to a negative value contract however the team that traded him probably got positive positive value back for him which is so weird. Yeah now the first one was actually because of the player where they got. This one is more about just a willingness. Take money but it is a lesson here as yours preach years not dollars that hey if you make a mistake on someone hey ease expiring. Basically the moment he signed. And so so if you need to move him or you just gives you a piece to kind of Shuffle Ron on the chessboard. Like this If needed the king's plenty of room blow the tax tax. Still they also get off of the one point eight million for him for next year. which if they were to WanNa re-sign Bogdonovich used their mid level that one point eight million in coud actually come in handy for them who knows we may see big changes with two kings given how they are Hollinger? I both ruled them out of the playoffs. So today so that that it means that they're clearly not making it but it's still really good piece of business for the Kings to take gone. I mean it's really you know what two million actual cash and about five million in in salary on the books at this point in time and to just get to second round picks that at a time when Portland may actually Kinda suck a AD. I mean you never know that far out. They could've traded Daimler and rebuilt already. You know I mean we thought Memphis had no hope. We should clarify if we didn't mention that. These are their twenty twenty four and twenty five five seconds. Oh yeah okay so so yeah so And you know swan again wasn't playing their hilariously twenty probably and actually play in Portland there that thin And this trait actually can't because my initial Tuesday because Gabriel who was one of the only minimum salaries that Sacramento had and so. I think that's part white. Had to be him he had just been signed. So there's a off a two way so as a restriction on any can actually betrayed until Tuesday so it won't be consummated until then blazers had to go through a couple of games actually with only eight players because of this tele ver was struggling. He I think you'll be a good vet in the locker room for Sacramento so we will as more as Kinda chafed it in these rebuilding situations like. He did last year in Phoenix. So they upgrade a little bit there at a minimum saw is he absolutely no downside here for Sacramento Kermode. There's something else that's funny here. This is just the kind of thing that you pick up covering the warriors for more than a decade like have is that even though tolliver has a previous connection to Sacramento because he he played there in sixteen seventeen both of these players. I believe if memory serves played on the warriors when Vivek Devi was a was a part owner of the warriors so so it ties back in there that were back down day with our way not injury. I can't remember anyway. There were series as those back in the day. And here's the month incidentally is included among that too. And I think that I support for Sacramento. They get out of that obligation to get those functionally by those second round picks x which is completely fine. I I I like it for them and you know depending on how they WANNA do this tolerant base mark can help them in different capacities and if and if they don't then they can get out the books. So yeah I I like this. I don't love it. It's hard to love trade. Were in the the most important net return was clearing one point. Eight million off your books getting too deep deep second round picks but yeah visit type of move that I support Sacramento making. Yeah and if you think about it the actual cash was probably about two million or so in extra caps that they're going to pay will vying to second round picks for only two million dollars a is pretty good and again I think the blazers you know certainly if they have. CJ mccollum Dame lillard still as their core and By the way dame name is under contract through the twenty four twenty five season when he will be making fifty four million dollars that's into the new. TV deal too so we may not see as much of a rising cap there at that time. So the Blazers Yeah and CJ is under under contract through twenty three twenty four season as well at thirty five million. So is those guys are gone or or they're not going to be very good. You would imagine at that point in time good players as those guys are at this point any you mentioned on this one I no not really. I think that we can move onto the other more. I guess. Should we talk. I think it's one other thing that I think for sacraments. Easier to not play as more than Aretha aretha sign there as a free reagents. He was still getting minutes as a backup. Three or four bays more just was brought in. He's an expiring contract. It's very easy to just tell especially because he's more of a two. Is this gonNA open up a little more room playing time at that backup for will. That's for Bagley be elites You can play Donna. Vich more at the three. If you WANNA bump guys up a little bit that Barnes can play more at the four so this does actually open up low more playing time. They had a slight logjam there. So I think it's good in that aspect for Sacramento as well to get four players. Who are part of their long-term team more playing time and not necessarily wasted honorees it? Because as I was saying I think they're Kinda done here for making the playoffs so it becomes more about development element now for that group. Oh One more thing since. We're talking about Portland. We should mention the Rodney Hood Corrections. Well Oh yeah yeah so. This is a pretty embarrassing. Screw up by me especially because I had it right there my she were talking about Rodney Hood. It'd be the most like to be treated. Well he because he has the player option can actually blocked trade because if you were traded he could in theory loses bird rights if he opted out which of course he's going to but he still has the ability to block a trade so Portland probably would love to get off of his salary as of right now but that's unlikely likely to happen At this point and they do generate that seven million dollar trade exception. That's something that that could be helpful. And they could trade hood of course once the league year rolls around but they are prohibited prohibited from doing so right now So the others not as significant. I guess you could say. Let's let's let's say quick break your so. What's our the experts of News Radio Neil? So he signed a four year. Thirty six million dollars extension with the jazz. Why I think this is interesting? First of all calibrating outing market value because Rosa Neal was going to be an older restricted. Free agent in this Super Weird Cap. Your I've done some writing about this at the athletic twenty twenty seven twenty twenty seven. Were there there aren't many teams that have more than the taxpayer mid level which is in that like nine and a half million dollar temperance. We don't know exactly what the CAP number is going to be. It's tied to that but you you know that's a fair a fair proximity us and giving O'Neil four years thirty six's it is lucrative but it also ties him up for presumably the remainder the remainder Andras prime which is a nice argument for the jazz and also Utah. Now in this position where they don't have that many prominent pending free agents in your term. You know so this year it I was going to be him and Jordan Clarkson and then next year Mitchell but depending restricted free agency. I we I assume Conley's going to stay play under his next here and then go bare so getting stability. They're kind of like they did. Member extended Joe. ingles those kinds of moves. I think they make some sense. For the jazz. The one notable repercussion for me with this beyond setting a market price for a you know a fringy fringy starter or valuable backup is there. Was this idea that I had been kind of fixated on about Utah. Potentially spending in two thousand twenty one. which is the year one go bear and Mitchell hit free agency Mitchell? If he doesn't signed an extension we'll have a comparatively modest fifteen point six million-dollar dr capital. I'm guessing you'll get paid significantly more than that. So there was this idea giving Russo Neil as much money as they did limits that possibility but since he was going to be appending free agent this summer that would have happened anyway if they were going to resign him so it isn't really an opportunity. Cost issue is just a realization of causes. You yes so this now takes Utah this off season season to about four million dollars over the CAP including O.`Neil And their draft pick which they're gonNA keep probably a at twenty bit they can't trade the because part of it is owed to Memphis and they've run into step you enroll problems potentially at least until the pig has made it the draft so so with O.`Neil they've got about twenty four million below the tax. I'm sorry I missed twenty-one million below the tax and they'll have full bird rights on Clarkston they could bring him back they also would have the biannual they would have the mid level which will start at about nine point eight million projected this off season and you can give out a contract contract of up to four years. Forty two point three million Instructive number where this is four. Hundred thirty six to a little bit below there there than you also have the maximum extension that they could have offered him was four for fifty one under that Josh. Richardson where you take the hundred twenty percent of the estimated average player salary in the year the extension is signed. That would be eleven point five million and then you do the maximum eight percent annual races off for that. So O'Neill I think he's a really valuable player right He. He shoots it pretty well for three not high volume also excellent defender. The jazz played really well at them between he and Joanne goals to have just gotten contributors outta basically ended the roster fodder Georgiana down there. They got three guys. Who are just guys is that they brought in that? Nobody else wanted that. They essentially developed into quality contributors it. That's very impressive. When you're building around go bearing Conley and that's how you have the space to go out and get a buoyant Donovan? She's been so key for them. So you're probably thinking if you're neil you don't WanNA count on one of the cap space teams giving you an offer. Above the mid level exception teams probably who are not kept space teams. They are probably GonNa want the guarantee of a player. Who who actually that? They're going to get if they offer him. The mid level exception and Utah probably would match something like that if he makes it all the way to the summer healthy and again that full full mid-level exception number. That's four years. Forty two million. So maybe the thought was yet. You know I'm three shoot. Well I should be worth more than this but I'm I'm restricted. That's what happens and realistically the most I was going to get in the summer was forty two billion I get some extra Sunni now the at six million less but I know that I'm getting get and it's possible that at least I have the uncertainty out there of an offer sheet in the summer when forty two million is your best day in the summer but you could end up up getting squeezed even worse because maybe that offers an out there now. Utah's like well. Hey you're restricted. Why should we pay you more than what our offer is and maybe there is also even a thought that this trade deadline coming up is a little bit of an emphasis worth? They couldn't agree on extension and it was clear that he wanted like twenty million a year or something and Utah might look to move him. I don't think they would because he's been an important part of what they're doing. I don't know who could replace the his defense on the wing but maybe that was part of it as well in terms of timing I think so it seems like both sides got to deal. That was good. I think this is probably going to be a quality deal dealer at the other thing I would point to Danny is it seems like as valuable as these three you guys are. They often kind of seem to have the shortest shelf life in some ways. Will we've talked about the idea before that three guys can be the hardest to predict you and I think part of that may might be that the shoot. That shooting is inconsistent. You know that the that the three part or I mean they can age out of the deep part. I think we've seen that to extent with a few different guys over the over the years as well but it might just be players who look good from that. They aren't necessarily reliable shooters. They've just hit a few more of you. More of room didn't over the years and so that starts to way. I think that could be a part of the story too well and you consider the low volume that he's had right at three point five attempts for thirty six minutes. That's not very much. But he is shooting forty four percent. He did shoot thirty nine percent last year and even his rookie year he shot thirty six percent but the volume is is really not there to the point. Where you're like okay in another system on another team? This guy is really going to have the gravity defenses. Defenses are really going to respect him. He doesn't have that versatile of a jump shot it takes them a while to load up. That's what that low attempt number tell you to some degree so I think he's a very valuable player where he is the only guy on this Utah team now. Who Does really can try checking some of these best scores? He's still undersized for the Lebron types but he does a pretty good job on traditionally sized threes and smaller but there is a little bit of the defense slips at all if the shooting slips at all then all of sudden you can go to having a Albatross and so I think Utah avoided giving out a contract that really has much downside risk to them and for O'Neill this is kind of a as you've talked about kind of a bummer for him that the restricted free agent process works this way. Even when you're about to be twenty seven like the the guys who are the hardest grinders who worked to build their career and we're late bloomers. It seems almost unfair that they're the ones who get screwed the the most by the rules. But that's what the rules are. Yeah it is and so within that structure sure. I think that O'Neill did well to to secure that outcome early and it. It doesn't surprise me considering. Utah's done I mentioned. The Joe Ingles extension that they've done this in the in the recent past and to get to get out in front of it. Well I I don't think they necessarily saved themselves. Money in the steel ender stand by Denis Lindsay. Wanted to walk him up and secure in the jazz have been such such a positive story over this run that they've been having without my calmly and that's another piece of news for them. Sounds like he's getting closer to come back. Yeah you did return in fact on Saturday night against yeah it was a fifteen minute game for him. One of three all of them were threes. I didn't see the game but clearly he came off the bench you know. It seems like they're really trying to ease them back doc in since they're rolling and they handled the kings pretty easily. No reason not to do that. And I'm sure they're going to ramp up his activity very slowly indeed and I mean I think one of the things that if you're just looking at the box score is that he was plus ten in that game and they of course have struggled with some of their backup units. Still think they need to take. Oh look at one more. Backup from court player. WHO would fit into their system? A little bit more either offensively or defensively to really be a plus there and then they can really get their second units to you know when you throw in the ball handling ability of ingles and Conley's and book Donovan. Mitchell you've got four guys is there who can all do something with the ball and you can get at least two of them on the floor at all times. Should you so choose. Even Emmanuel Moody has been playing better of late. What else else we are here? We don't know all of the talent but I think the most significant other thing that happened is the the NBA at least for now shelving plans for an owner's vote on a formal plan for the schedule changes in they were that vote was going to be in April they see the NBA informed teams per watch that they're want to continue studying and in discussing the significant items. We've talked a little bit about the potential changes that they could do for the final four in the playoffs but the play in tournament and in season and so to me what this is is a clear indication that at least right now they don't have the votes and that doesn't mean they won't have them forever but it is a step. It is notable that they probably don't have them right now. Yes supposedly the Canard. Charred on not doing the receding that like travel is going to be too hard or it's not like you can't just space it out a little bit more. The receding of the conference finals. I think just just the overall conservativism of league you know. They've done some pretty good things like with rule changes and stuff I I would still consider the NBA. Probably the more progressive of the League's most progressive of the league's but the reaction to these proposals to me has been very display number one. Because we feel that the the schedule you'll really has to be reduced and that this could start of that in the regular season please keep listening to our show. Those guys seems more meaningless than ever and visit because there are too many games. I am one thing I I was thinking about is just the people. There's been this topic lately. There's a a study of all. The major market. Teams teams are being too focused on. I think there was another study showing that so many of the stories on the major sites or tweets are Kinda the male soap opera stuff as opposed was to how great the players are and how great the games are am so for those who love the game. The solution as well just focused more on the games right like. That's that's what the Problem Rama's we're not focusing enough on the Games. We the people who are in the media. Don't love the game enough. They're not promoting the game enough. I don't quite see it that way. I don't think that it's that easy. I think part of the reason. Why all this off-court drama and the player Moon which of course is fascinating to us for sure less so the drama than the player movement stuff I don't need to know like whether other Russ and Katie if texted each other? I don't give a shit about that but I think part of the reason why that has greater salience is because the stories that are happening are so ephemeral right right you. There are so many games that you can't even remember a lot of times `this epic regular season performances because then the team just plays again the next night and it's not like baseball where you have okay. The Sky isn't pitching again. You know it's kind of a different team every day because of the WHO's pitching it's not really the case in the NBA. And what made made that fifteen sixteen season so unbelievable was with the warriors going for seventy three went. Suddenly every regular season game did better every regular season game was an event and then I think the fact that the warriors didn't win and true or not people ascribe part of that too. Oh will they tried to hard in the regular season those morons which you know may baby. That's right maybe it's not so you can focus on the game but I think there's a feeling of well okay. Yeah you know. What if I didn't watch tonight? That's fine like I'll just watch tomorrow. It's like what teams ex game I if I really want to see a game but you know just some game in January it just doesn't have enough meaning whereas if it's like okay were playing each of these teams are going to play each other twice during the course of the season then whenever two teams that are actually title contenders matchup and the raiders. He's really an event. But but now there's like one of these games every night and so like there isn't a feeling of like Oh man like I can't miss this right because you know it was that could be. It'll be three more four days before there are more games or there won't de seems aren't GonNa play again until maybe the finals or something like that or these teams won't play again until the conference finals. I think that that that's kind of a a big part of the forgive the long long rant here but ultimately what's bothering me here as well is just the lack of imagination overall and just the lack of being being able to deal with any kind of like any normal business. You put a certain amount of money aside for our to try to grow your business to experiment and and yeah you know the NBA does sunk a bunch of money say into China or all this overseas software now it's the NBA Africa. But how about you just sink some money any. Potentially you don't even know if you're going to be seeing the money in or not into experimenting with the schedule. And Hey Gino okay. It's not a thousand percent guaranteed to work nothing. A thousand percent guaranteed to work. If but trying this midseason tournament reducing it to seventy eight games just to get the information of what happens there like if this fails it's not can kill your business but clearly ratings are in decline. You should be trying something and this isn't like some massive changes our we're going to fifty eight games right now but it might give you some information about whether you'd lose money or not if you did that or whether you could drive more interest. Same thing with the play in tournament which Seems like yet another no brainer. So just the cowardice to not happy willing to experiment like Oh three percent of our revenue. We might lose it. It's like well. Yeah that's what a business is. I also think that and this has been my white whale for a long. Sometimes that the projected Lawson revenue of reducing. The season is overstated. Just forces people are like. Oh you'RE GONNA lose. You're going to lose this money. Sorry I'm really fired up here as you can tell but like like oh well if you reduced to just sixty six games. You're clearly going to reduce the amount of money by twenty five percent percentage. You would not true. Yeah I mean maybe that's true but like if number of games has a strict Correlation with the amount of money. Why don't they just play a game every today? No obviously you at some point you get diminishing returns for more games. Maybe we're at that point right now. Maybe we've been at that point for a while I could and I've talked about this this with a few other people people in the past we get back to it a little bit going back to what a regular season game that might matter looking like Zeid Williamson is going to make his debut on Wednesday. We are very excited about that. Unfortunately we will not be doing that game for the NBA cast. We will be doing games on Merthyr kingdom though so keep an eye on that. We're going to be doing being Lakers Celtics which starts at seven eastern four Pacific. And we'll probably do the second half of the Non Zion. Pelicans against the Grizzlies on if if the game is close. We'll we'll keep an eye on that. Yeah really looking forward to in that. CNN Some live. John marantz Lakers Celtics. Anthony Davis is questionable for that one Rondo onto a saw. He might be back as well. In Miami Justice winslow is GonNa miss at least two more weeks which severe the heat actually like. It became clear earlier like an actual timetable for an injury for the Miami Heat And then Chris Hands reporting this which I think seem kind of clear because generally when there's the report of others talks between these teams and they're serious on it doesn't get consummated within a little bit you in kind of presumed the deals off but Atlanta Detroit. No longer interested in drumming. Men Deal I think that dovetails with the reporting we've mentioned from James Edwards. The third about how it landed was really only offering expiring contracts for Drummond So addict addict. That's that's wise for Atlanta. Because I don't think that he really helped them that much. We also got news not news but speculation from Marcus Thompson. Who who for some reason would be very plugged into Steph curry that the current expert current ideas? That curry might return March. I which is a home game. Against The Washington Wizards that is not a righted in stone. Type of day. But that is it. Looks like kind of a target date of sorts so the most important part of that for me is and you would expect just from a broken bone rather than the issues that his current teammate. Klay Thompson his former teammate Kevin Durant or dealing with that he will return this season as opposed to waiting all the way until next year. Yeah I mean there's really no reason other than just the fact he might get hurt again but I mean. I think they'd like to build some buzz. They'd like to see who on this team actually can play well with staff in particular De Ngelo and curry together I have my pin on what that's going to be But also often superstar makes return against Washington. Wizards defense seems like a smart move. He's been watching this this this series out fully checked out of barely if that's what he wants to come back and speaking of those wizards Bradley beal. After the Whiz lost to the Bulls he was a pretty upset. Carping about the whiz culture and David Aldridge said that bill was angry with an emotional. The team is he's ever been now they he's the one who decided to stay there. Without exception right. He could have been traded already probably if he had turned down that extension and if he had asked to be moved and and it didn't take a genius to figure out where this team was going this season so I'm not sure what it is that he's so upset about whether there are some personal issues. Going on Scott Brooks tried to paper everything over and eat did mention that. Hey you know we had a time. We're starting to injury exception players So they've not only as John Wall but opted OPPA. They've had a bunch of other injuries as wall and ache. It's like based on those injuries to me. They've actually over performed this year But Bela apparently doesn't see that. We'll see if anything comes with that you can of course betrayed in the off season but This year due to that extension that he signed Take quick break. I've got one more topic. I WanNa talk about of a the question. I posed on on twitter account a lot of responses over the weekend of. Who is the most exciting rookie? spun by one not this year but just like historically quickly those bond by one John Rant so the way I posted this on twitter was. When was the last time there was a rookie as exciting as has job rant? What is your answer to that? My first thought was Lebron and I mean that was one that was more I mean. This is obviously very subjective and personal. It is that that was for me a couple parts of it. That are pretty important. One the guy has to have the Salat. That's going to be an interesting thing Zion. Zion is exciting in a different way. I mean I've been following following him since he was sixteen. But it's it's different and that could be better but I mean generally the capacity for excitement higher but also worth remembering how a lot of the players who became that leader leader there crews even young guys like the Fox were. Not that as rookies on Steph. I mean he had some nice tip dunk but like just large enough role steph curry free. You know he he got touches. He was sharing backcourt with Manti at that point. But then the other thing that I thought was was notable was what I was going through myself was a lot of the other the players that are high on my list of most exciting rookies in the time that I've covered the NBA. We're all kind of missed. The season so like Blake Griffin his rookie. Year was very exciting but he missed here Ben and that doesn't make him not a rookie. Sorry to Utah Jazz. Fans of Boston Celtics fans they still are but it is something fundamentally different. Joel embiid was the same thing. Ben Simmons was the same thing and I think. That's it's just coincidence and it might just be also that those players built up a little bit for me but those were some of the other guys I thought of and I it is different when it's the player was just drafted just came into the league and is you know as to watch his jumper and has been so who who is your answer. Who is the guy that Lebron okay? Yeah I mean to me now I love Jamarat. I think like the dribble moves the stuff that he can do in the air. His incredible vision the fast-breaking they're paying at one of the fastest paces in the league. The dunks I mean and I mean probably the biggest thing to me is like the dribble moves that are just so incredibly creative he is just doing either doing stuff. That was Kinda Yo three three or four times a game. He's doing software. It's and it's actually faking guys out to you. Know it's not like And he's just so reactive with the job as doing stuff where it's like guys would be up twenty like. Oh I'm going to show up and do this and now he just incorporates that into his everyday game and you know twice three times a game. You're seeing these highlights now like the ESPN Bien official NBA account is caught on like they're tweeting out three or four jaw highlights the game Yields it doesn't really have been offensive weaknesses right now to where it doesn't seem that ephemeral. You don't feel like this. He's not that good at it. He's really good to a lot of people. Were like looking at me like Oh this is such a stupid question. We just had Luca last year at any. Luca's pre exciting rookie. I want to say there's a different tune exciting in better. I'M NOT GONNA sell. It wasn't the question he's better than all the all these other ones. But yeah excitement like going back. It was fun to think about somebody. I really love watching Brandon Roy his rookie year. I'm somebody who I was very familiar with because he went to when I was at Ucla but again then. Then we're digging back more than a decade when talking about Brandon Roy and somebody who has already been doing injuries out of the NBA and Bardon Yanni necessary. Underneath take porzingas personality was frustrated. Surkey PORZINGAS was interesting but a lot of those guys where you're trying to figure it out. I found them interesting but not necessarily exciting. I mean with porzingus. It was the Unicorn type stuff. Yeah just like jaw. There's nobody else were. I've just like oh my fucking God as often as I am with like like Chris. Paul was Chris Paul. I loved him as a rookie. But like it wasn't as exciting. It was just different. Yah Paul was just like such clinician. Even at that you know he was a very exciting ball-handler me even if he had that Donka Dwight Howard. I think it was either as a rookie or a second year Which is pretty awesome? He was a good athlete in an incredibly blindingly Dingley quick when he was younger but yeah I I would still put job of him and when you consider you just got the whole package of. He's got these awesome ice. Oh moves as well where you know. He just like making guys look terrible on ice. Oh not too. I think that something that they should get to more is just letting him go one on one. He did that a lot in college. And he's just I I've never really seen him tailed create a good shot in it. I so as well so I mean for me Lucas. Not Quite there. Just because he's a little bit slower and yeah he he's better. He's got more size as you're better of a passer but he just not making quite as many spectacular step back is cool but there's only so many of those step backs and floaters and passes whereas judges has more for very group Donovan Mitchell his spectacular plays are all dunks. Mitchell is probably a little bit better of Dunker Than Josh just but I think jock and kind of get got to his dunks in more exciting ways Derrick rose to someone that was brought up but I think even rose. He didn't have as large of a role as gyrus playing with Ben. Gordon Kirk Hinrich on a team. That he wasn't quite given the keys as much Didn't have the passing vision of jogging. Some of his drives and finishes were probably a more awesome awesome amazing finishes to where he's just GonNa like. Take off from the dotted line at like figure it out So I might even have jaw above dirk rose lease for me personally certainly would understand so and Blake Griffin. Is Up there too but again he's kind of a little bit more of a one trick pony of just you know. He's one of the best dunkers time. That was amazing so and I might even have to go back to like rookie Vince. Carter 'cause Lebron was just on a on a bad team. It was his rookie. Year was just like a really slow a year I definitely believe the higher upside that used to be also but it was a my own personal Guide to go back to like rookie. Your Vince Carter. So I I know a a lot of people are gonNA think that that's just like total blasphemy to go back that far but I really I feel like my own personal enjoying watching the guy. I think it's just amazing and we'll we'll see where the season goes. We'll see what Memphis the rest of it looks like but again that's why focusing on excite men and what they can do is something different from projecting what he will be or anything else but yeah but it's been pretty amazing using so far all right. Well remember again. Please listen to something else. Amazing which is The pod with Hollinger. This week is get into that trade deadline stuff watch the NBA NBA. Cast tomorrow. Anything else you talk about. Why did a strategic planning session pieces for the athletic with Sim City Park? No those They're two of those that already. We will have a third one out in the next few days we also did a combined breakdown of the previous not not not Detroit happened today but the previous one and which was fun doing that? Trade is somewhat different. So we're tossing about the different ideas whether the crab part of the deal made sense for Minnesota and all that and then I also did a fun fun podcast with Derek Bader for real. Jim Radio talking really depth about the sixers. What they're doing this year where it's going long term so you listed as well? They came out on Friday so a a lot of people probably didn't catch it yet. All right we'll talk to Y'ALL TORONTO. Probably do a Gamer on these Martin Luther King Day Games that.

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DIANA:  SECURITY NIGHTMARE - EP6

Diana: Case Solved

30:24 min | 11 months ago

DIANA: SECURITY NIGHTMARE - EP6

"Excuse me my uncle had foot on the gas allopathic left behind of the race with Royal Bank recreated he a word for word using actors Kez wingfield one of Diana's security detail recalls his fellow bodyguard Trevor Rees Jones I meeting with on ripple had you met on report before that occasion no that was the first day I ever met him of deputy head of security at the Ritz in Paris in testimony given to the British High Court into an inquiry into Diana's death which we have to personal protection experience at all their experience was confined to military operations so they had no understanding of who the eras of the protection from the moment that she became involved with the fines Chris focus of an inquiry into a car crash should be the driver when a crash results in the death of three people including the most famous woman in the world and the official Royal Highness title she lost the quality of highly trained highly specialized security men like Ken and as he explains the sort of bodyguards and Erin teeny and French pat so peer to find out definitively what happened to the Princess of wiles twenty two years ago and just who was responsible for early tragic death she inherits the protection of fire it was a catalog being done to prevent what happened he is Cain Wolf Diana's former bodyguard who later service when she and Prince Charles Divorced L. Find as we know ran the security operation from his office and so everybody did what they he said writs which means the second in command of security so far is only poll was concerned in the early part of the day so between what do I have a twelve month period that was the ability to shoot two farms expert to undergo paramedic training to be an advanced driving either of the future King of England then we need to know exactly who that driver was what security measures in place and with that more could and we trained in the same protocols with colleagues would for prime minister and senior ministers of state however when Donna was stripped of her implied by dirty Fayed's father Muhamad El-Fayed was simply not in the same game the security guys ex ministry with even before they got to Paris there was a sense that security around the princess was Bailey able to cope one incident in Sardinia Saudi even get into a the employed by they will the bottom rung of this pyramid of power and really had no say in how this operation would and then the number of different courses ultimately would lead you into being selected to work for a member of the royal family we were twin with diplomatic protection minister protection at that time will you introduced to more did he introduce himself can you remember I believe Trevor introduced as he said this is only he's the two I c at the career police officer for all my career but in nineteen eighty six when I was accepted for the raw protection department based going on all of us underwent a series of training Karadzic outside this altercation this is where the interpersonal skills come into play this is where speaking people understanding what people want what their idea the car that killed Princess Diana was a Parisian named on repoll he had worked for the Fed family for almost eleven years and had risen to the position is also worked for Mohammed Al Fayed and had spent the previous nine days with Diner Daddy on board the yacht on the Rivera with the Paparazzi following their every move landon or call one way I was speaking to Paul Hanley Greaves who's my boss at the time I said Look Paul I think this is about the fifth day into the trip when it was cleared the airport and getting to the Ritz hotel was there anything remarkable about him at all no Kez wingfield and Trevor Rees Jones it's in the course of the trip itself did either of you make representations to try to get more help yes how long have to shoot photo shoot bullets I in the end at a very good relationship the media for Doty to get so excited on a number of occasions we called for not backup as was reported before we called for extra members to report onto the boat we had a number of conversations with ops room liberal confrontation with the photographers and so don't he and she goes to a restaurant in Saudi Arabia and he gets angry with listening to this podcast probably comes as no surprise and Investigative Journalism Entry Crime is my passion the slapdash security the trip was going to be longer than two or three days I suggested that we you know we were getting tired and we needed more people on the tasking and he said the boss wants to be low key apps store and Google play download free on the APP store or Google applied that's bist friends without the best scenes define engage your brain with fun puzzles and click tons of characters to best themes is a five star rated mobile puzzled guy on the apple so we don't want people all over the boat they had done the was new dawn they will they're just living the part even Reese Jones in his book and the situation was not helped by daddy's apparent lack of trust in the judgment of his own bodyguards as this extraordinary testimony from Kay's wingfield demonstrates then have this argument it a back street in saw denia and then effectively lose it rush back to the y'all and then head back to Paris it dirty and say look hang on we'll do this you just concentrate on your meal have a good time let us deal with that dining new this she knew how this would donna knew that we would always say Santa Fe peak this where the bodyguard comes into play to have a dialogue with him and her and say how are we going to sort this out but you don't need to be detected apply it anybody can embrace the challenge it's a game of many levels level start at easy of course but don't worry operation was to reach rock bottom one steiner and daddy got to Paris they didn't even speak the British embassy in Paris letting leave for them and they not believing for one moment anything will go wrong why should he guy wrong trouble is in these circumstances when something does go wrong vice form of help speak to the police you need the police on your side the every major city in the world whether VIP's particularly as well there goes into our life doesn't matter who it is the Paparazzi like it or not they were they're doing the job quite legally they don't kill people so somebody needs to be one hundred million downloads globally doesn't require instant reply which is fabulous and so perfect for me when I get stuck on a plane or train with that Jones didn't even know how long the princess in Dodie would stay in Paris what role did you and Trevor on the morning Saturday the thirtieth of August and making arrangements for the physical security of your principles once you arrived in Paris we just had to make sure the often to two best teams that's based friends with FBI based things it's all about solving puzzles and it has me hooked I sell enjoyed any moves at the couple did we were with them and from what I recall we didn't think they were GonNa have any particular time in Paris we assume that it was going to be moving straight on can about rumors going around the boats that was with the crew of the boats was it that's correct you want told for how long Diana's visit the plane changed at around seven pm he left the hotel but at ten pm he returned supposedly on the instructions of d when they knew they were going to have done or Buddha's against said his mate this'll be a great job it was a fun job it was a joke it tends to go wrong retired senior London perhaps just in Paris with afternoon and then moved to London that's the sort of indication that came from crew Dodie wouldn't tell us what his intentions were you have split dody and Diana intended to be in Paris the crew basically said is going to be the afternoon and we thought well we're all going to do the afternoon and then we're gonNA fly onto the UK potty arrived in Paris around three thirty pm in the he's carried Diana to a depth one would think it would be a serving tile but now ben moral one of the security guys soon with our introduced to on report for the first time the Ritz deputy head of security was supposed to have had the nod off but you're the extraordinary circumstances of thirty as part of our investigations in Paris we have retraced on repulsed steps between I clocking off the evening and then getting behind the wheel of the Mercedes see there is a liaison officer for you onto all they need to do is contact the gendarmerie a guy will be sent down to be or liaison to advise you how you're going to play this one speak to somebody about organizing the press let's get some berries out for that speak to them Sandison we get you a picture kissing trivia take teeth and I enjoy the mental challenge all of this office but even I need the cash will break at least sometimes when I feel like a mental pellet cleanse yes which is French for pineapple there has been a lot of speculation about this and I would like to say that people have said Oh you should have known but there was nothing on reports demeanor that he had been assist now it's an irony the pastiche alongside a pineapple juice would be very difficult to tell the difference and we do know that on thank you remember that that's correct but you thought it was a soft drink yes in I asked him what he was drinking and he said a nanny tougher as you go along tack on Level Twenty Twenty one for a while once beat that I felt the Daca just do anything this guy amazingly has I've pull a pineapple juice drink it was a pastiche drink after honorable returned to the hotel he waited in the hemingway my left but I was facing to my rights looking for an indication from the Paris Ritz security staff that there was maybe a change in the couple of moving so just staying for for the High Court testimony from fellow security officer Ks Wingfield so far is Mr Pause concert did he have something to drink another security guard the winfield he recalled that non as well that's hemingway which we had drinking and all similar focus of attention wasn't on report the focus of attention was to get sandwich down my neck as quickly as I could and then get back on the job on report sadder moment with how only Paul seem to what he was drinking the first thing is that you believed he was drinking soft drinks that's correct you again in his book region says that he sold them report earlier that day drinking what he thought was two or three pineapples welcome to episode six of Fatal Voyage Diana K solved on the next homicide detective in of come to Paris with the team including investigative journalist Dylan Howard on record as saying and Reece Jones writes about it in his book I know these own Riyadh Tondo and looked zone had a good lunch now further instructions from his boss Dodie receipts from the by that not showed he paid for two glasses of ricard a brand of Pestis a hard liquor here is saloth the listed buddy England suggested that this past season which is a high alcohol great similar waiver Scotch Whisky and it has it was random at seven years had gone and then he was re cold rates so he actually knocked off was drinking the misery cold Selena save even stopping him sock with Oysters Sombrero by means that he'd be having a drink and he was he was drinking was an alcoholic junior afternoon he'd knocked off the trick period and they we call it having a prestigious drink for yourself in any way so help with the security issues with China no one knows how much he was drinking firearms and recalled in the princess and that was the first thing you do that I did I've been passing on number of occasions anywhere in the world you let the embassy no that's a form of contact former the famous five Harry's five respect yourself some distance from there as well which is a guy and you drink as well they all said that he's gene gotten Saudis Beautiful Hotel that only combs drinking certain concoction it at a fun apple collar let's the classic color of Huskies strange chronicle color as lightens moments before they had this hotel he was drinking this this is the thing pestis wars no one from that team made any attempt to contact anyone come in Yon for help and assistance how my word and because of who they were and there it is and it is one of the strongest live lose that you could admit from 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Couldn't these people south that reeks of you if you've been drinking number is a bit like Scotch Whisky Simon same it's hot mainstream you got what you doing drinking the stock the all always drink it with a bit of is serving a nice spike many vitamin that soothing the screen the thing is as Ellen's doing you put water and ice reduce what looks like scratch whiskey Alyssum becomes My investigations also revealed that on repoll if the Hemingway on several occasions to chat to the waiting way back door every she is going to be fine you must do good to be true and he was really showing up with me founded very suspicious dies job is not to get inflammation to us as a head of a security especially out of Paparazzi outside the hotel he's one of the photographers who was the at night Piha pro came out of the hotel when he came up to us on the very sensitive story and people why would you talk to the press as I recall very was saying Oh yes don't worry you'll get your show up in a sneaker altitude casually talk to us and B. Studied to give away information which was quite odd when he was back in my friend best enemies probably lying to us him before I knew who you go and as soon as he started to talk to us and giving information I instantly he's on his breath with Sega's was he reveling in the attention he status was giving him that not playing up to the wedding photographers recall to Judy and then he resented him right by having would use again and if you drink these powerful tasted NFC amazingly kiss wingfield a highly trained security officer did not detect the problem during the time there's only pools with you in the bar and I he was clearly putting forward using Takeda Bod Yeah You could say that he was not interested by the that was quite a period did he show any signs of having taken an alcoholic drink to your at all not at all sir tricked non drinker it would be thinkable any member of staff to be drinking in fact toxicology tests conducted on on report after his death again this is the last of that looks left it must have been close to each other so not shows signs during the course of the evening toll non at all also I would like to add that if a member of security team had been drinking and we saw that shadow was dramatically over the legal limit to drive a car a spectrum Professor Ethel Johnston forensic pathologist at the London School of medicine able to smell the amount already poll for angry they must've known about it must have been conscious drinking enough to get one thing as you would be confronted directly with the smell throwing them out from the lips of rape hole in the foaming challenge it'd be security onsite at that point because he's the head of the security because my friend knew who he was and his job is not to speak to us and the delivery sensitive information but the thing is mm-hmm and he had been drinking we would immediately get rid of them stand them down from duty and deal with them in the morning it's because I principles mystified as a Muslim and who are some distance away that was saying you're sitting by H of having sds one to learning then you said it already turned out enough someone sneaks abroad my lady looking out for years the French limit is fifty milligrams per deciliter and the concentration recorded of alcohol only poll were one seven four tolerate massive amounts of alcohol so a value of one seven four for an alcoholic they could function quite normally other best honesty was no steady on his feet smell of at home if you add up all little city milligrams per deciliter so over three times the French legal in Fr- driving to record should not have given them that concentration at that time tell they lift by elevator four squash got lots to get to the limelight to give you the mm-hmm shortly before midnight dodie hedged his plan to evade the whiting Paparazzi by sneaking out the back door of the hotel with Diana into an unmarked well I can smell anything in his press overly was quite

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HOU/GSW and BOS/MIL Game 2s; Free Agent Small Forward Class

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

1:09:02 hr | 1 year ago

HOU/GSW and BOS/MIL Game 2s; Free Agent Small Forward Class

"The other night of game twos to talk about here at them. We gotta get to the free agent small forward crop. Let's start in Oakland where Golden State at a harder than it. Probably should have been frankly victory against Houston. Led by ten throughout most of the game. Houston got back cut it to three at one point in the fourth with some of the warriors backup units on the floor. And then they extended it out with the death lineup and held on lake. Chris Paul did have three that was wide open that could have cut it to three after the warriors as they are want to do had some terrible turnovers. Trying to protect the lead late as Houston went to a trapping defense. Where do you wanna start on this one? I think I would start with the warriors defense for especially the first quarter. I thought that they did a really good job overall Houston ended up with a one sixteen offense of rating. But a portion of that was them just hitting a ton of threes. I mean, we saw in the early going Austin rivers at a few unit of four for six. Chris paul. I had to and then ended up to for seven, and Eric Gordon had a few moments a lot of those different guys. But for the most part some of those were conceited, but I think a lot of them were were just guys making the shots that the words with directly want to concede, but they forced a ton of turnovers early. I thought that was a really huge swing in this Houston, and those those were largely I felt forced turnover agrees. Yeah. Yeah. So it was nine for Houston in the first quarter. And I off the top of my head. I would say something like six or seven of those would be forced and a six of them were steel. So the warriors had fourteen points off those nine turnovers which was about half of what they scored in the first quarter. Yeah. And it felt like it was a nine-point warrior lead. After the first James harden was in the locker room, he got hit in both eyes and thereafter. Although I thought he played really well considering the issue was really struggled with the lights. He was not happy to be under the light at the press conference podium afterwards. Steph curry also dislocated middle. Had to get that tape. Fortunately for him now is on his left hand as us going for a strip he had to sit out in and then return later in the first quarter. But I thought really when you consider how badly Golden State killed Houston on the possession game in the first half, especially where they had sixteen more true shot attempts when you considerable shots and free throws than the rockets did in the first half. It was only a nine point warrior lead at halftime that it was only a seven point lead. At the end of the thirty though the where is led by fifteen and had a three that could made it eighteen wide open three from Katie. It just seemed like the warriors were in control with the run of play throughout and wallet felt like Houston was dangerous and combat could come back. It was really it seemed like the three point shooting that was keeping them in it, and they're shot chart. Again. This is to me is the stat of the series. If you look at Houston shot chart before the last three minutes of this game on the worst started just. Seating layups. They wouldn't give up threes. That's current strategy is late. They had fourteen shots at the rim through the normal portion of this game. And I think they're twelve in the last game and Houston did not get an abnormal number of free. Throw attempts only nineteen through that portion of the game last game. They had so more, but not a ridiculous amount. So really the three tenets of the rockets are Spock it's at the rim the free throw line and the three point line. And so despite thirteen or sixteen to thirty seven forty three percent three point shooting through rockets only had ninety four points through forty five minutes in this game. The warriors at a ten point lead. At that point before we really got into the scramble portion of the game, which I didn't put as much emphasis on that. Just because it was really just a different kind of defensive and offensive strategy for both teams. So Houston just was not able to get it going hard. And I thought had some moments in this game. But to only have four six versus six turnovers was a major problem for him. And so. That's the biggest issue to me. I that Houston just can't score at the level that they're used to scoring in the regular season against the word. Another important part of game too. Was the offensive glass? The warriors ended up with eighteen offense of rebounds. That gave them a thirty seven percent offensive rebound percentage and Houston Ninos no with ten of their own. But that allowed the warriors to to really dominate the possession game. Draymond had four in the first quarter. Got some big second chance. Buckets McKinney got to on consecutive possessions. One was a tip dunk for him the other. I think was a Durant. Mid ranger the second time around and so that gave the warriors a little bit more life as well. And they they missed the series of shots that that often go in but getting rebounds, you get those chances and other. Here's a step for you. Second chance points rockets. Nineteen warriors eighteen despite the warriors nearly doubling up the actual number of often throughout. So the warriors had a few key turnovers. Few. He misses. And it seemed like you know, to have nineteen second chance points for the rockets on ten off of rebounds. I mean, one point nine points per possession is also had a lot of kickout threes. Rivers. It hit a couple of big ones, especially in the second quarter to keep it close. But again, it it just seemed like the run a play, especially when the warriors had their best lineup out there with the death. I which they started again at Howdy minutes. Did that lineup late tonight? Twenty four so half the game. One forty four six ofensive rating one Twenty-one nine defensive ratings. That's a plus twenty two seven in those twenty four minutes just to destructive group. And remember they're going against the best lineups for the most part that that Houston has to offer. This is not beating up on bench units or anything like that. It's just a really dominant group and that one twenty that one twenty two defensive rating is higher than you'd expect. But there was some hot shooting in there for Houston. And James harden, had some really nice places. Well, it seemed like where Houston was able to get back into it. A lot of times early. I early fourth was when. In the words went to their bench. Now, the warriors correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think they had a single second in this game without either Steph or K D on the floor and curve was very aggressive with the minutes again that particularly with Kadian in this when he got to forty three minutes, and they've got a three-day break now here coming up, but Shaun Livingston has had a real struggle in the series, the rockets to a great job of not guarding him. The there's one notable play where Livingston is on the wing Klay Thompson runs a pick and pop katie's. What would have been wide open? But Livingston man, man, just leaves them. There's like three guys standing on the baseline a lot of the times, and the rockets were just running guys at either Katie or staff, and they would double deem Draymond or looney would try to make the four on three play. But the other three guys for the warriors, basically were Igwe dolla and Livingston, and and then the other of green or looney they played Gerard Coa little bit. But these weren't able to get the spacing for those four and three. But then when they went to the death lineup. They're able. To really just score. It seemed like or at least get open looks at will in this game. So it's it's opposes good for Houston. Not a deep team themselves that they're able to do better against the bench units because their bench is also pretty limited. But nonetheless that really is not enough when they're just not coming close to winning on either end against the stars. And and to me so much of that has been dream on green. The we saw for example, early fourth quarter with Draymond out of the game. The warriors have plenty of shooting on the floor. But James harden is able to get past kevon looney in an ISO and just get right to the rim and lay the bullet because there isn't the level of help available. When Draymond is out there or dream dot going to give up a blow by if he's the guy on the switch. So really is an idle dream on has been the second best player for the words in this series behind Katie. And I think there's an argument to made the Draymond has been the most valuable because nobody else in the same can really do what he does in this game wasn't as. As ridiculous in terms of him, preventing the hardened cappella lobs they got they got a couple of opportunities. But he he's just so huge in terms of changing what the rockets wanna do getting out on defenders and deflecting passes, you know, all those sorts of things as well. I thought the drip co inclusion was was notable as well. Because he was the guy that Kerr went to when curry got hurt. So it was only a couple of minutes curry was off the floor at that point. I mean, we had no idea. I mean, there were those little images that were floating around the media looked like it was a more severe injury. They did next. Right. It was fine. Any ended up playing and you can see the effects periodically. Like he was shaky with his dribble with his left hand couple of times and missed a couple of shots that you would you might think, oh, he's still you know, twenty points on sixteen shots. I believe it would be eighteen shooting possessions and to not a bad game by any means, but not, you know, the kind of dominant performance that he can have at times and drope co I thought those were his best minutes, you know, that little stretchy at a time. Donkey was active had a couple of different plays. But then he stayed in in some of the second unit minutes he was on the floor. They're really tweaking around with those lineups. Now, the Durant is basically fulltime in that group other than when Curry's and foul trouble. And then plays with that group instead of the close of the third. So how they balance McKinney and drip, co it's not gonna define the series. But it is interesting all the same in along those lines. I thought an important part of this game was Houston getting a ton of offensive rebounds at the beginning of the second quarter that and that was when Kenneth Farid and Kvant Mooney were both out there on the Ford. Now, those are not the only two players that were involved in the offensive rebound extravaganza. But in that quarter current it up taking out loony for bogut. That was the only time book played. And then when it got to the second half for read was out and Mooney stayed in. And I thought that was interesting the other rotations, or is this your they wanted to get a little more shooting the floor thought Houston did a poor job of attacking of go. I actually don't recall a single time that they actually were. Able to successfully isolate an a big part of that is that the warriors are just the best in the NBA at avoiding you isolating the guy that you want to eyeso- and especially with Houston. They're just very limited in terms of the ways in which they're able to do that. And part of that is because they're trying to get up top where it just you're so far away from being able to attack that they're able to switch around behind the play. You gotta have someone very obviously run up there. You can do the switch at that point. There's also room for guys recover. And I thought that the warriors I'm be very interested to find out. How was exactly that? They are doing this. My suspicion is just that the warriors are so smart and have it. So well drilled that. It's just the players who react when they want to and a lot of times the big maybe it's Draymond it will switch it up. And they'll they'll just double team every now, and then when Igwe dolla who was guarding hardened much of the way was able to get through the screen. No matter who is setting. He would just try and get through. And then if. He couldn't then they would switch it. So if they weren't getting goodness screen or they're just trying to slip it. They just weren't getting the switch it to begin with and heart did have one ankle break running Goodall at the end of the second quarter. But other than that didn't really have much success going at him. They kept curry out of it. Pretty well. I'm not sure that they scored. I mean, they may have drawn a foul or two. But I don't think they just had a play where they just beat curry of for a bucket that I can recall you recall, any of those they're they're really able to stay out of that matchup. And when it was Currie did a pretty decent job, despite I don't recall, it there were there was one where he fouled. And so it probably would have become a bucket. But generally speaking also Curry's foul came off ball. So you have that one of the thing. I wanted to mention this before we get on is. I love Eric Gordon's drive game. He hit a couple of important three's when the rockets were kind of keeping themselves in the game. But he so strong. And it wasn't as as extremism the like, great drives the game one. But I I do think that's an added element that he brings to this. Rockets attack being in the starting five playing series minutes. He played thirty six in this one and not a perfect player. But someone I really really like as a complementary piece to what they have going. Yeah. And you wonder maybe if he's someone that they might try to go to a little bit more. I mean, a lot of his attacks our opportunity. Scrambled defense transition kind of plays you I'm not sure if he's goes the word is again, they're switching everything. So I don't know if you want him isolating necessarily there's not really a way for him to attack in conventional pecan roll. So whether his usage could be increased or not I'm not really sure, you know, he doesn't really have a great pull up game off the dribble. It's gonna either shoot the three right? When he gets it or go all the way to the rim. So I don't know if there's a way to give him more responsibly took thirteen shots in this game. At another big problem is that despite the fact clink Capella had a solid game for him at times he had four up of rebounds at a couple of blocks ended up falling out late when Chris Paul was trying to get him to just. Oh trap. And he just went and filed Steph curry with forty seconds left to and Houston down six at that point. It's still seeing that din. Tony did not trust him to be on the floor at the end. And when they let Trevor REEs ago, it really was cappella that they needed to be their fifth guy and he played thirty three minutes had fourteen points. But to me is not been quite the same impact athletically, it's been better than the start of the year, but not the same as he was last year. And they haven't really been able to get the lob game going to him either in part just because Draymond it is so incredibly intelligent. And then they also the warriors just have great guys who can crash on the backs that we talked about this in the jazz series where the warriors just don't have to make as many hard choices because they have guys who can cover two people at once. They have guys who can crash down in Capella be in position where they'd lob it up. Those guys can run in from the backside and either make a play cappella knocking away clay ahead. A couple of plays like that or still close out to the corner. And not just have it. A wide wide open PJ Tucker three the way it was for the jazz the jazz had go bare. But if go Barrett committed to one spot, then either the coroner or the lob was going to be open. Whereas the warriors just a have a lot more athletes who can cover that you mentioned they went to Farid oddly for five minutes. And maybe the thought was hey, we can't score. And he's a better offense of player that some of these guys he actually was plus too. But that didn't come in in the second half. And he got really cooked in isolation by curry in particular. Daniel house was reduced to five minutes in this game. He was negative Lebanon. Those five minutes, Dan, Tony was screaming at him. You never see dantonio this upset for not rebounding and houses, very athletic. But just was to that Katie was is going to just as is get like saucers anytime houses guarding a in the post Austin rivers at a dice game with fourteen points on four of six from downtown, but did have three turnovers, and you know, he's not the most reliable shooter. He does give them another play making elements, and he certainly was. Is better than house or Joe green a on this site Shumpert over four on threes. I don't think what is even close I want. I want to talk a little bit more about shepherd because this is just so weird. He played one four minute and thirty two minute stint in the first quarter. He took four shots missed all four of them at least three of them were bad misses. But there were plus five in those minutes. Like, you just don't see that very often where a guy takes that many shots misses that many shots, but they still ended up getting buckets at some of that was offense of rebounds. And the warriors. It had. I think that was when Austin rivers at a couple as well. But I was just I was dumbfounded kind of what I saw that. He was plus five because I remember how bad is minutes looked and it wasn't surprised when shepherd did not come back in the game. But like, oh, okay. Chris Paul had some moments keeping them in it. He had to go forty minutes, which is more than wanna play. But Hardin only was able to get to thirty four because he missed much time as they're trying to fix his eyes back in the locker room and hit a couple of tough threes. But then you know, he missed the biggest shot of the game laid a wide open. Three and four turnovers Paul rarely will turn it over. But it's just it's really difficult for him to create a ton of separation against this group. And he just get stuck in areas where he just doesn't have anywhere to go with the ball and ends up having to just throw a hopeful pass that a lot of times is getting intercepted. See if I got anything else here. Well, something I wanted to mention Kevin Durant only took one shot in the restricted area. Took a bunch of footers did get to the line ten times. Some of those were getting fouled on both jump shots and getting fouled on what would have been a non shooting foul that the words were in the bonus. And but I thought I thought he had a nice offensive night. And also had a better defensive night. I would say than than in game one. So he he has been a huge part of this series for sure ios interesting. They were going with Hardin with Tucker in foul. Trouble. A lot of the night acting with harden in the second half on Katie. And Katie was actually getting the switch to go at Capella ins or Gerald green down the end rather than harden, which does and she tried to post up harden. A couple of times didn't really. Try to cook him a on the up top by. So that's that's the whereas went more to down the end when the rockets really couldn't get stops until they went to the trap later on the knee only played four minutes this one despite what I thought was a pretty effective performance in the first game. It looked like it was just going to get totally blown open in the third. And in the war is actually couldn't score in the last four fourteen of the third but Houston only put up eight points during that time themselves, and it was douse the Katie only minutes with Steph once again in foul trouble and Katie was thrown into guys for corner threes Draymond McKinney. Like that the just couldn't make a or trying to lob it to Livingston he and there just wasn't any spacing in there. But I mean Curry's really going with the death lineup for twelve minutes a half. And so when you're trying to get guys let enough rest and especially with currently playing thirty three minutes and Igwe dolla. He played thirty four last game thirty two this game. But they're going to try not to really don't have equal dolla out there with those bench units stabilizing. Them as much, you know, he only played eight minutes that wasn't part of that certain group, but it would always plus seventeen. And so if they win those minutes enough, and then can just hold on with the other group of aiding that you think that these teams by try differently as the series shifts to Houston on Saturday night, which will be doing the NBA gas four, by the way as a better option than freed for me. I mean, I'm sure there's an appeal with the idea of going offense. I, but I think he's the best option and rivers had a nice game. But I, and I think that he deserves to have the lion share of the second unit minutes, but I feel like they they need to roll little bit with house. I may house Joan green, and you're somebody in that group because Yongqing them around and being inconsistent. I I understand it because they can do things that are frustrating. But I don't know I think that having a little bit more consistency with when those guys play could be useful for them. Yeah. We'll do donate play. Or the last time. Mike the Tony played eleven guys in a competitive playoff gaming. He is looking for anyone who can give them a spark a and. This. None of those guys that could deliver an without a Reza in. They already were added athleticism deficit against the words last year. But remember Andrea would always pretty creaky last year. And then he didn't play in the last four games of the series. And I think while it definitely really hurt the rockets to not have Chris Paul last year. And maybe the series is different. It's forgotten because of that Paul injury that the warriors had to blowouts in three games against the rockets when he was healthy last year, and you know, they had to play Nick young last year. Jordan, Bella mean got so to give Nick young and Jordan bells minutes to Andre Iguodala. This year is just such an upgrade, especially how good Igwe doll is. I mean, he is leading the postseason in dunks. He's got nineteen dunks. So far and a lot of those are off that dry bond pick and roll where they end up double teaming up. But and he's a great transition player. He guards James harden it as good as just about anybody. He's just sort of still amazingly at age thirty five a really really good player and for the. To be able to put that five Bank group out there, which is probably the best five men lineup of all time. I would say is just such an advantage. And we've seen the warriors be the less athletic team before, you know, against the thunder in two thousand sixteen particular when Durant was on that team. Of course, you know, there are other teams may the raptors with a box that could give them some problems with the the words are by far the more athletic team in this series it and not only the more. But for a team that goes small by far the longer and taller team as well. Every player on Houston other than Capellas undersized for their position even Capella is a little bit light in the shorts too. So yeah, Houston has these thick guys. Like, they're kind of difficult to post up. But none of them are really great rebounders and Zo guys like and then their best rebounders are stuck away from the rim. And it's been a problem for the rockets all year. So I don't see that change that much. And I thought the warriors would win this game comfortably. A it was a little bit less comfortable, just because the warriors shooting was bad. And the rockets was good. But I think. The warriors played well enough throughout most of the game that I felt like this really oh was more like a fifteen to twenty point type of warriors win in terms of just the way that these two teams actually played tonight. So I'm not sure what Houston it can do shifting it here. I think that they some of the recommendations that I had last game. They didn't really do maybe hardened will play better at home. Maybe that step back will go down. But that step back a lot harder. When he doesn't have the good matchup, and they're struggling to create that he's generally going against the guy who has more length than he does. And a lot of times he's been able to get the match up this year and shoot over the top of guys on that step back who are either gonna follow him because they have to overcommit to the contest story just able to shoot one of the top in the warriors. Just don't have that many of those guys than it be a big surprise. The most talented team of of all time is really hard to match up against it be nice for throats, if they had Trevor REEs type or maybe they traded for another two way wing with that first runner. But instead they. Got a kind of fringy rotation guy in jumper. They probably thought he would be a bigger part than he is. But remember they never used their full not the full, but the taxpayer mid level either. They split parts of it offer like Hartenstein and other. But they didn't they didn't get a real contributor with that either. Yeah. So a now that's that really is hurting them to be sure. And I more with the constraints that he was dealt did a pretty damn good job to get guys who are able to contribute that will in the regular season. But it is interesting. We thought maybe this could be a revenge series for house, and no that's up in the case. The I have killed him. And he he was really good against the jazz. The first rod and really good down the end of the season. There is hope that he would be able to be three in D contributor. And he just can't hold up defensively. And he just said he is playing hard to see if I got anything else here. I'll just mentioned that Chris Paul nutmegged kevon looney, and I o that always amuses me and then immediately shot at fall act for Ford. Yeah. That didn't have. No, he did get his own offense rebound and scored off the so he ruined his own highlight. Count as a rebound. If it bounces off the side of the backboard is that just like a loose ball. I if it counts as emiss- shot. I believe it does count as a ribbon yet. No, I you're being facetious. So it's I mean, it's really the stuff that Houston this struggling with it's systemic. It's getting into the sets earlier. It's running more is being better at setting screens just running their sets with more alacrity all that kind of execution stuff. The team just doesn't really execute. That will indent Tony he tries. You know? He really does try. You comes out of a time out. They can get some good looks their one of their real pet actions. The Twenty-one stuff or hardened sprints out of the corner and gets middle when you can switch everything that's really pretty much useless to them. Well, what do you think happens the rest of the series? I wouldn't be shocked if Houston won both their home games. But this has the field to me of a five gamer, you know, whether it's whether it's I think it'd be more likely than the Houston would win game three then game four they pull one. They they have enough talent to win. They they got closer in certain parts of both the games in oracle. But I think the warriors are meaningfully more talented team when they played their best players when they could stay on the floor. And remember that twenty four minutes that probab- that could have gone even higher. If maybe if curry Han got in foul trouble, Samir stuff. So I think the win one they're they're more than a good team to do. So. And then, but I think this this series is it it's not over. But I think we have a pretty damn good idea who's going to win it. So it's really more a question of whether it's five six or seven obviously, there could always be game changing injury. We absolutely twice nearly happen at had happened in the Susan if the Steph curry is a broken finger. Yeah. I mean, I presume that he wouldn't be able to play with that. Even if it's on his left hand, and hopefully hardened will be recovered by the weekends. It sort of feels like the warriors will come out and really wanna put their foot on the throats of Houston in game three. And then like let up in game four and Houston wins that one and then it's actually ends up being like a close game five. Boy, I. What's going to happen here in game three? You would think. Okay. The warriors gotta have or the rockets gotta have that one just crazy barrage shooting game from deep, but they had that today the forty three percent from downtown and pretty good vitamin and that didn't really come that close to getting it done. I I look back again where I really think game one was the Mischa paternity with the twenty warriors tonight. The warriors only I get four turnovers in the first half, and they had probably like three or four in the last three minutes of the game. That were just absolutely asinine terrible turnovers. But you know, they were for the the before Houston just started trapping their under ten Turner Russa 'em. If the words don't turn over there just gonna score really well a against this team. It did not look and this is over a one twenty offense of writing for the words, even with their foibles down the end and even with eleven out of thirty six three point shooting three out of thirteen from curry. I will talk Boston Milwaukee. 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It thought we we thought it might be headed that way. And then the bucks went on a twenty four to two run to end the game in the third quarter. Yeah. And I thought that there were some important developments in this game from the lock use perspective on both ends of the floor. But one of the big ones was just hitting shots. I mean, you could go through numerous guys on this roster. But I'll start with Chris Middleton Middleton going seven for ten from three bucks overall twentieth. Forty seven and when they can do well in the possess. Shen game or even break even in the possession game in hit shots like that get to the free throw line, even if the defense has some imperfections, and it was great in the third quarter taken survive it, and they were able to to build upon that in really take this game over Boston was actually having a pretty nice offensive night until they're outscored thirty nine to eighteen in the third and they scored only two points in the last seven minutes of the third quarter and religious were not getting to the basket at all during that time give you their stats for that period that twenty four to two bucks run one for eleven from the field O four from three. They're one make during that time was actually a tip into five a away from the rim, and they also coughed it up six times. And obviously the bucks when they're able to get into transition with Yannis that is when they're totally deadly Jaanus hit a couple of threes during the run one over Horford in one over Baynes, both of those off the dribble. He was able to get to the foul. Line a ton ended up thirteen of eighteen from the foul on. I thought overall the bucks got a lot more calls than they did in game. One of just the Celtics putting their hands on them on the drive. I think we mentioned that after game one that that would be if we were running the box that that would be would be on our tape to the league after game one is here's all these times guys were putting their forum on our our guys Janas in particular when they're driving Eric Bledsoe was awesome on both ends twenty one point three of five from downtown seven to twelve overall. He had five assists as well. The bucks. I thought passed it a little better in this game. I still think the Celtics to some degree are exposing that they are not an amazing passing team it, but it was funny. There is a lot of sequences where I'd see John est or Bledsoe would drive get double deemed missed the obvious open guy. But then they swing it around and get a end up getting a good shot later in the possession. Anyway, just because the they had that level of spacing and that level of gravity was some of their players. Dribbled on for a while here wheels. You got on this game. I'm still trying to figure out where kind of kind of where this goes if Malcolm Brogdon is unavailable or limited in terms of the support guys. But even though he got in early foul trouble. I still like beer Tich as that kind of short term option. They did get some some good minutes. Some very good minutes. I'm moments from George hill. Also that the three that he had at the end of the at the end of the first half was awesome. I call it pull up three yet. You current? You be. I said it was like a throwback George hill. But as you noted and this is true, George hill. Didn't have that that three in his arsenal. Going back to even his San Antonio days, or as his Indiana days and didn't really love sterling Brown. Contin had added good plus minus got a ton of rebounds. I still don't see like a conference finals type of player in him. You know, if need be then you can you can get a little bit more for meme so getting brogden back, and hopefully that's going to happen in the near term that'll be very important for them and to have an effective ofensive game brook Lopez's. Sansom moments. But I didn't think he was as big of a forces. I expected in a game of twelve in. Yeah. Game. They won by twenty one. I I was very surprised by that. And I mean Joe and Yoenis polling and making a couple of threes, you know, in that in that kinda close off that run that I don't think that shot is going to be definitive for him this season. But you're slow is five nine in the hat. I mean, you're kind of sitting there going, well, you know, he's more confident now definitely than he was earlier. I think Feldman had the stat about how this is the first time since twenty sixteen that he's had multiple made threes in three consecutive games is only the second time in his entire career. And not going to be the reason the bucks, you know, win or lose the title this year, but he's still young. And you think about where where that game could be going if he can get if he can get that weakness a little bit stronger, it'd be it's incredible. Well, that's the antidote to the garden with the center strategy because if you actually have to guard him out there off the dribble now he's just going to be able to blow by that guy. The kind of. Wait back the lane. Like try to time out his euro step and be big and bump them off and contestant at the rim like then that doesn't work anymore. If he can make that shot off the dribble books. Defense was much better. They did more switching in one through four. And even if they absolutely had two times one through five they were determined not to just let the Celtics get wide open jump shots, which is what they got in game one. And certainly the Celtics no matter how wide open they were shooting. Forty nine percent on Tuesday outside the earth floor. Fifty nine percent on twos outside the restricted area. In game. One was not going to continue. But that went the other way in a big way through three quarters again. Sixteen shots at the rim for Boston. They are not known for their ability to get there. The foul line only fourteen free throw attempts zero for Kyrie Irving that a nightmare game. And then get this seven out of twenty seven on Tuesday away from the room. And but you know, those weren't open shots corre- wasn't getting the. Quality looks it. He struggled with over five and Florida range and only one out of four on two point jumpers and then one of five from three four seventeen overall was atrocious. Well, I think you connect that as well, which Ason Tatum. I mean Boston had run Boston had to run more ice. Oh, and the guys that you would think of as being there eyeso- so players really did struggle Tatum was to for ten from the field. He only took to mid Rangers. Missed both those he was zero for four on what I would consider jump shots. Just a rough rough night from him, and you know, had a couple of defensive moments, but not a good night for. No. And he's been really bad in the series and lock had this stat that of players who had more than one hundred ice. Oh possessions. This year Tatum Brank ninety fifth out of ninety five such players inefficiency on isolation. That's not what was supposed to happen for him this year. So he's not really been effective there. He doesn't have the ability to get into the lane and draw fouls in those situations. It's all the long to the Esmeralda hit that as. Well, the bucks were more aggressive helping early also. And but nonetheless, they also were flying around more to choose. I thought Jaanus had a much better defensive game Bledsoe at a much better defense game as well brook Lopez. It was more mobile. He wasn't just camped out at the basket. He got out on the floor that a little bit more in his minutes, and those wide open pick and pops for Horford really were not there in another key stat here because what we said right is while the bucks artists going to give up a ton of three borders of the Celtics. Right. That's what they did. In the in that first game in their twenty four out of fifty five in the regular season, the bucks give up a lot of above the break threes. Well, during the competitive portion of the game, I three quarters they only gave up twenty three three point at times, and they got up forty seven themselves and Boston didn't shoot him horribly. They actually were thirty six percent on threes in the half court eat out at twenty two when I say in the half grinding like non heaved of. So it was just much better for from the bucks. In this game. You've figured they're gonna come out at and really kill brogden Seville ability. It seems like he's trending in the right direction. Maybe be able to play in game three. You imagine will be on a minutes limit. But even if he can give him twenty five minutes that would certainly be a boon for them to give them. One more guy who can drive to the basket defend on the perimeter. I mean, this may have been the worst playoff game Kyrie's career to only at four assists, three turnovers, usually low turnover got Horford at five turnovers, even though he shouted, okay? On those three pointers got up five of those hyphen as the series shifts now to Boston Boston. Oh, play better. I think we'll walk you'll probably take step down. But my vision of this is still a long series, and it's a long series that could go either direction, I picked bucks and six, but I mean, I bounced between bucks and six bucks and seven and Celtics and seven I still think Milwaukee, I think they're the favorites at this point. But Boston always had a clear case in game. One I called her proof of concept. That's really what it was. They can very well could win the series. They could win. Both the games at home. I'm excited to see where it goes though. Yeah. And I've thought but he made the adjustments defensively. I thought also what they did on offense. It was more pick and roll for Bledsoe. It was more Jaanus handling the ball. They ran a lot more four five pick and rolls. Remember, the the matchups read their Horford or Baynes on Janas, and especially when it was Horford. They would have the five-man Lopez that come in screen get the switch with Morris, and then Janas could go into his drive attack game and not have to worry about the on ball guy blocking his shot. The way Horford I thought when he did try to go rhino Horford. Horford was still a pretty good in this game amazing SU only had one foul. They've ran some other stuff to just off ball screens again to try and get yards, but are matching one that stuck out to me in that third quarter run was they had blood Zo screen Jaanus to the free throw line. And then the honest curled into the lane Bledsoe popped out and that left him with the what would have been an open three. They closed down throws to Middleton wide. Open the corner. I also thought career. Especially in that third quarter was really bad defensively. A lot of bad gambles, not the same type of effort closing out. I think that applied to all the Celtics where they just were not like shot out of a cannon closing out in KYW's the way they were in game. When I mean again to give up forty seven three point attempts to twenty eight for the Celtics. I'm sorry. I misspoke the forty seven for the bucks was over the the full game it through three hours, which I was told it was thirty five to twenty three in in the first three quarters Oga, the still a massive advantage in the bucks were right at fifty percent of those. So that Boston will shoot better. They'll get better looks that they're going to adjust. But I think to get Janas going twenty nine points in eighteen free. Throw attempts still would like to see more assist for still think the bucks were missing passes. Sterling brand new. We mentioned that he played very little thirteen minutes at any was actually negative twelve. Some of that was a garage is questionable at the back spasms. They went with MIR chew. I still think is important as far as facing the floor. He also had three steals and a block in this game. I think getting. A little bit more help oriented of a defender help them as well did did try a couple of Lopez posts ups. Those didn't really go anywhere. It does seem like Lopez may not be a part of their best unit in this series. Having a match up with Horford, and that's fun. Maybe you try and bring him back when it's more Baynes of their Boston still. I don't think they've played a single minute in the series with Baynes and Horford together that's a lineup. That is definitely been very good for them defensively. And maybe that something they can do to get a little more rim protection out there. Give little more versatility. Takeaway that four or five pick and roll it and letting the bucks skip the matchup, but one of those guys would have to guard a shooter and the other one would guard Yazd sales without Baynes. Just didn't quite the same lateral mobility up to the ankle sprain. He was negative nineteen in ten minutes. I still want to just see more high pick and roll for Kyrie Irving set way above the three point line for the Celtics, especially when Lopez is in the game and let kyri walk into that three. From way above above the circle force Lopez out of the floor trying to get in behind him. I don't know what else you can do to get Tatum going. Maybe he's just not that good. Certainly the Celtics need to do a better job at Middleton. I mean, he got a ton open corner threes in this game that a lot of those in transition the Celtics transition defense wasn't nearly as good in this game. Either. The the bucks did a better job of getting guys ahead of Janas and sprint into the corners filling the corners. So that the Celtics just flattening out and building a wall. The free throw line wasn't as viable dot Lopez in particular to did a nice job of getting down there on offense it in those semitransition situations. So I I think know Boston if they're going to win the series. I would say it unless you're a team like the warriors. If you're the road team, you better be up three one because near stuck trying to win to the last three with to the last three in the other teams building. And the buck seem to have gotten over their first game jurors analogy, I've hopefully we will see a close game in the series. That'd be nice. Are we gotta get to the shooting guards here. But first this from goat dot com. Sadly, the player that some are starting to think is the goat. Although that Lacey took a little bit of a hit this year without making the playoffs that LeBron James. He's not involved anymore. Does is kind of a bummer that he's out there, but the goats of buying sneakers? 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But those two guys are if they do leave their present. Homes in Golden State and Toronto debts going to reduce the available free agent money forever. What else because those teams won't have a MAC salary spot to replace them. And they will of course, take one up with as rumored the Knicks in the clippers. It will also be the first time I think one of the differences between these guys first time quite Leonard hits unrestricted free agency that third contract is is oftentimes clarifying for what a player values most that might not be more apparent than in quite case. Because the situation he is in right now is pretty damn good. I mean, the raptors are very talented will we'll see how they feel after the end of these places, but they've they've been one of the best teams in the league this entire year despite being very cautious with Kawai, and that, you know, obviously, the more he's on the court. The better the raptors would have been and he could go to the clippers. You could go really wherever he wants. I mean, both of these players are good enough. And where you move things around. If if for whatever reason they want what you what you are bringing to the table. It doesn't matter you move heaven and earth to make it happen. And I don't know what. Kind of meetings that are going to take and this year to be Frank. There are so many teams that have cap space. And so many teams have major markets that I don't think there need to be those crazy gymnastics of take a team with the meeting, and then say, can you figure this out because not only is there holdover there the prior team so good, but you know, the Knicks the nets the the Lakers and the clippers if they wanna major market they can go there in any other team as I said, they'll make it happen. When can move down now into the star cheer of players, and the starts here players is usually the one that gets the most overpay that on some of these crazy contracts in free agency and Jimmy Butler situation. Does of a player option is going to almost certainly opt out he's twenty nine. But with a lotta miles on those tires, Chris Mills and also player option at twenty seven he's going to opt out as well. He's benefiting from only having had a three year contract at the start of his career because he wasn't a first round picks. We actually hits free agency sooner eaters max offer out there for Jimmy Butler, like full max, four years at one hundred and forty. Six million dollars. I'm guessing there is especially because there are more teams significantly more teams with cap space than there are max level free agents for counting him in that group. And so I think someone's going to get desperate now kid he get the full three plus one, you know, all the bells and whistles that the best of the best demand. You know, like the Gordon Hayward contract would probably be Dan like here that maybe not. But there are so many teams that are just starved for talent. And I I could imagine it happening. Like, I think Brooklyn's a good example here, I think he would make the nets and be on the court. At least like we his off. The court stuff is a little would be would be different with that team. But talented can help give them kind of take advantage of some the opportunity create. I is defense. It to me isn't where it was in his best years in Chicago. But he's still can provide value on that end. And Brooklyn could use a player like him, and this is really their opportunities. So if the best players say, no, they could theoretically roll the space over to twenty twenty but that would be a little it will be easier said than done, and there's no. Guaranteed. They're going to get somebody better than Jimmy Butler that yeah, the twenty twenty free agency is not good. Although we could see that added to well. And something interesting you brought up the is there a contract offer for Jimmy Butler his negotiations with Philly are fascinating too. Because do they what price? Do they want him back at you know, the the elements of a fifth year versus a fourth year. It's it's a it's a complicated situation made even more fraud because of the Tobias Harris situation, and so there depending on how much ownership is willing to spend not only in the near term. But in the long term, they could go really expensive here that would allow them to use to use Burg rights early bird rights to retain gingy Rettig. If they wanted to go that way, but they could also clear cap space, and theoretically Philadelphia wants somebody else if the right person is interested they could do that as well. Yeah. And what happens in this series with Toronto to do? They really wanna pay that much to bring back this team if they lose and five or six games on it's not really close against strato so much of that determines Phillies situation any that's gonna be a really bad contract. Forty million in the fourth year. If he gets the full max, maybe it's type of thing where it'd be like half guaranteed on the last year or something you'd wanna get that. But then as you said, the twenty twenty region classes, not good, and there are a lot of teams that could use Jimmy Butler. The three is a very limited position. So for example, Sacramento with thirty seven million dollars in room. Right. They really have a mandate to take the next step forward right now flooding developed said I thought we could have been even better. And that's part of why he moved on from TV Egger. So they certainly I mean, what are they doing with their space? Right. A minute. They wanna take step for the probably make the playoffs next year if they get Butler and yet he aged out a little bit. But you know, at least got a decent body hopefully could play enough that he could still provide competent defense on the wing and some shooting as he ages the Knicks or Lakers, you could see maybe as a possible second banana in New York, or in LA who else are they gonna get besides Butler, a lot of pressure, of course, on them clippers doesn't. Seem like the direction they would necessarily go. If they miss out on Kawai, you could see the may be making him an offer though as as the second guy it really for them. It makes a lot of sense because he's probably close to worth it the first year. And so now, you're trying to compete already how well he would get along with everyone you you'd never know Indiana. Absolutely. You would think would make that offer rather than trying to bring back bunk down vich at an dead young. They've elected it would still have mcdonagh bitches hold. They've got thirty one million in room in Indiana with his whole they could get to that max offer previously Dallas don't necessarily see them going there Brooklyn. You mentioned I'm skeptical that they would go there. I think they're trying to build a little bit more for the long-term. But once again, you what what else they do it with the space, you know, at an Atlanta. I wouldn't see them going in that direction. But it just it seems like there are enough teams. There are few enough candidates for that money available that the offer if not at the max close the max is going to ministerial is maybe if he wants to play for a better. Team. They'll try to hold that over his head in the offer will be a little bit less. But you know, it's really hard for me to see it being less than one hundred twenty million guaranteed something like that just because there are so many teams, and he's he plays the wing, and I still I you know, I like him better as a free agent than Kemba Walker. You dig it. If you look at just the hierarchy of all the positions, he's he's behind Katie and co I obviously he's behind clay. He's behind kyri. And then it starts to get to either beholder Al Horford if he opts out to various Harris's younger, but not as good as Butler to me Kemba Walker. You know, he's right in that range. So I is beholder. Maybe teams your psycho his injury history. And he's too difficult to deal with Aranka below all those guys I wouldn't though. So let's turn now to the guys we have classified as starters eventually gonna move Alfred community into the power forward group. So we really only have two guys you look at his stars one. It's Harrison Barnes with that player option at age twenty seven speculation that he would opt out of that inside a longer term. Deal with the kings for a little bit lots of Sacramento, I just you know, finding picks that up, and that's what our projections for them. Have right now twenty five point one million that he would pick that up. It did seem like that deal was made for them to want to bring him back though and the kings probably value of more than other teams. I'm not sure if they should I think he's better as a four than three. But again, you get into the scarcity of the threes around the league he can play the three even if he's not amazing at and then buoyant Bogdanovich is the other one at age three coming off a career there. But Donna Fitch is going to have offers on the table. I mean, he really did ramp up his role. When vigil Deepa went out. I thought he looked good. You know, maybe not a playoff guy in that role. But not every team needs to have that that kind of small forward in there so much money around the league right now. So bogdonovich, I think he'll get a strong offer from the Pacers. How they define their off season is a huge question because they have all these unrestricted free agents. And so the player has has of waste process. The team does as well. And. They sh- will be able to retain him. So I wonder how much well, let's interesting by the way though with the Pacers. Let's talk about that. Because he made ten point five million this year his cap hold is thirteen point seven million, and they can pay him one hundred seventy five percent because he's been on the team two years early bird rights, so they can pay him a contract starting at just under eighteen million dollars per season over four years, but they could given the eight percent raises because he's he's early Perleberg. I mean that would be a in a lot of money and a lot of years for him. But you could also see him having an offer that would be a higher starting annual value than what they could do holding onto that thirteen point seven million cap hold if they wanna pay him more than that to start. Now, you're vaporizing more cap space to do that. So that's that's going to be really interesting. I mean, the number of years to me for him is going to be very very important. Agreed. And I mean, this at age thirty you'll expect that each year is going to be you know, it it's more likely than not that it'll be worse than the. Last and he had a career year. So you would you would kind of lead that direction anyway. So does it team like Sacramento to create the book, Donna vici combination? I mean, I also just adding a little bit more another dynamic offensive player if they want to go in that direction. They absolutely could. And you know, Brooklyn could bring him could bring him back. They go in that direction. It's been it's been a little while since he was Joe Harris. I I I don't think they're going to do. I think they want someone with more size and athleticism on the wing. I I think they do, but that's always hard to get. And so for Brooklyn. I mean, we've they've come up a couple times in this. The urgency of now is is it just hard to figure out for me with them. I I could see Brooklyn playing the long game here and just enrolling at one year. But if they see the success, they had this is a loaded free agent market. They have some buzz. I could see if the best players don't say us. I could see them dipping to about this level. And I think that's about the line for them. In terms of nineteen versus twenty is probably somewhere around Billy. Donovan yet. Obviously much depends. Of course. On what happens to ngelo Russell as wall. Just goes. I I mean, I think they're they're looking at what are books gonna look like three years from now. I think that's a question. Am is this team. If you just resign Lavertu for big money, and Russell and one more piece where you going with that group. And what is that other piece? Do you wanna make that piece bogdonovich or you really or someone of that ilk? Is that get you anywhere other than just a pretty similar season to what you had this year, you know, or bottom bottom five or bottom four playoff team. The east depends what their ambitions are as a franchise. Trevor Ariza heads up the rotation guys. And this is a very very thin group. This at three which I really are defining a lot is you got to be able to guard your other three's the best threes have at least some idea of chance guarding those players in even Bogdanovich as been better in the last couple years, but you know, that that's not he's not a stopper on the wing, but most of these guys like, okay if you put him on the best three. As in the NBA. They're not gonna just get completely embarrassed. You know, so Trevor Aretha heads out that group at three three interesting that Washington did not seek to move him. There's talk that he could return there. They will have full bird rights on him. Should they choose a just a in a vacuum? What do you think a as a number for a result actually clarification, they do not have full berates on a reason? They just have non bird rights that are rich enough where they you're right. Hey, I got that. He the I was thinking you got trade. Yeah. Yes. But still it should still be fine on the primary different series. They they can't go all the way to his max, and they can only give five percent raises. But I I don't think that difference matters. Really? I mean, they could start them at eighteen which that's plenty youth. I would think and Aretha thirty three you're getting into some of the the duration related questions. Here, you know, giving him more money for like two years than when you stretch it out not only because you don't know how he's gonna play then. But also that adds a lot of serious money on the books and. So many of these teams that have real cap space aren't necessarily seeing they're saying like we're going to be cheap forever. You know, they're going to get more expensive. I'm not saying Phillies an option, but I think that's a good way of thinking about this like, oh, yeah. They have other guys that are going to get more expensive to care silver. You brought that up for Brooklyn. I don't see the greatest constituency for a reason this season Sacramento seems like a possibility just depending on how they see the position the Lakers if they want depending on how how they see their for their front court rotation pursued him from Phoenix when he was available. Right. So, and I could imagine I can imagine that being interesting. He isn't an LA guy went to Westchester high. Also went to UCLA, and if he is willing to lower his sights down to the mid level, then more options open up because there there are some teams that just don't have the spending power that would be interested to raise it because small forward is such a scarce position. Yeah. And he's still provides some to evaluate me at thirty three. I thought he took a step back this year to be sure did not have the touch. From three a lot of the year and looked to really be lacking explosion or around the pass kit. So you never know guys guys who are at that level can just lose it and not have it anymore. You'll run this age, but you're always going to get a chance if you've got some size and some shooting ability at the small Ford position. So he's clearly at the top of that rotation group. Someone will likely bring him in to be a starter. I just listen as rotation because I don't think it's going to be a long-term starter money type of contract, but you could very easily see him at the very least getting Zimmer contract last year, which was one year fifteen million and maybe even getting a second year as well. Maybe gets a partial guarantee on a second year. Maybe it even goes beyond that potentially. Or maybe it's a longer contract at the mid level for contender. But I mean, but still as rotation peace despite the as a little bit diminish you think you could help nearly any playoff team just due to a skill set. James Ennis has a player option worth one point eight million. That is his minimum for next year. It would be. Fully guaranteed. So that is a, you know security of the money is there, but I hope and expect that he would get a much richer offer the net was that. I just think he's I think he's capable defensively not necessarily a high usage guy. But I don't think a lot of teams need that from there from the three to me. He like he's the type of player who is very it's harder to find than teams think Trayvon Graham, I harped about him last year. And I think it's a similar or for those two guys and on second units grip. I mean Graham didn't get much money. So here's the thing. Like NS did not have much of a market last year had a disappointing near you'd say he's twenty nine I think the lettuce in particular looks like it's declined to some degree for downtown this year thirty five percent, but not a very high country. Now, the the he has been valuable for Philly just as someone who is a stopgap and hasn't killed them as he really changed at series as crazy as to say having him back against Brooklyn in the first round. But it seems like. Other one of these guys that we may be value more than the league does I agree. I don't see is gonna opt in. But I I don't see him getting more than like, maybe three million a year or four million years something maybe for two years seems like the type of contract would be an again, we we've talked about this too of just where is that line? Gonna fall what they're being more money this year, but so many free agents as well. I agree with you. I think you should be higher. Valued just as someone who can give you semi competent play on both ends. But you know, Houston who desperately needs wings just got rid of your. They thought that Daniel Haussa and Austin rivers were better than him. So I do think that there is an they traded him to Philly, but they didn't get anything for him. They basically just straight up dumped him on a minimum contract. Anybody basically have had him. So I fear that his value is lower. I agree with you. I wish that he was was more valued around the league. And I think the I I think that Demari Carol who is also in this group has more of a constituency also has the benefit of playing you know, you can play miss three complainant the floor and while the. The old arnovitz chestnut about if you have to ask before I think there is some merit to that. But almost all of those guys actually played the three because there are so few threes. And so you you kind of get into that best position versus optimization for value purposes. Carol fifty five percent shooting each of the last two seasons with the Brooklyn nets. And just just a competent a player that you can rely on in your rotation defensively. And I think authencity he brings enough to the table without taking that much away that I just another guy that I just really like and feel my instinct is that he's gonna get undervalued in part of that is the choice that Brooklyn has to make in terms of cap space versus retentions, I'm guessing that they will just shed some of these cap holds. And then that makes him really a a free agent without much tying him to the nets themselves. Other than a good season at age thirty two for Carol clearly is the second best guy in kind of this older rotation level group. So I think he is going to have a market. If teams are. Smart. Darius Miller is really more of a fringe guy have them in rotation. Just because he's been in the rotation. But the problem is he didn't hit the three ball nearly as well this year's number one at age twenty nine this off season. And then also just defensively just lacks the athleticism to really compete at the three looks like a three in terms of his stature, but he's not going to guard. The bus guys is just too slow can't jump but the teams are looking for a sniper at that position. And then you get down into some of the fringe guys we could just go through them quickly Thomas buffalo Shas thirty five. Luke, kebob moutain is thirty three. And then Vince Carter to me is like better than some of these guys. You've also got I'm Rick Caspi is really more of a four at this point. Zonja Glen Robinson, the third who's almost certainly to get that team option declined. He wasn't really in the rotation this year for Detroit and other than that. You've really just got a lot of guys who are just not really you. Don't even feel good about having him in your rotation's. Why they're classified is prince. So I mean that if anything you want to know why a guy like James Ennis, you get paid it's because of. When you look at this list below. I mean, right has shown Glen Robinson Ambaum, you take just mostly because of health. I mean behind a completely lost season due to injury. I don't trust you pencil that person. And even it's on a minimum contract. You don't go. Oh, our our backup. Three is is set. Some of them are actually better a power forward. And then they're not consistent me Murray. Zona I still technically am the archbishop of the church of Zona but twenty twenty eight percent from three this year. Fifty percent true shooting on Twenty-one usage. Now, you can pull that off on that God awful mixed team. But thinking at this point, it's a lot harder to say right now. Oh, yeah. He can be a big positive part of what we're trying to do. Now at twenty three he could eventually get there actually just turned twenty four in February. He could get there. But I the trust for me is is the big question here. Whether it's health whether it's reliability actually, how good they are like I think Caspi is an example there like this this group just makes me queasy we've seen he can get into the playoffs. Did not kill you. And throw. Group scoops the restricted guys again, rather barren group. Kelly Oubre at twenty three leads these guys off in during Vinnie. Smith mean, those are the only guys even who are I look at as rotation level players Uber as twenty three finished Smith is twenty six finished Smith we can start with. I think it seems very likely that he'll be back in Dallas on likely to me that they're gonna get another three me. He probably looks like they're starting three next year. And he's got the really low capital. So he's extremely valuable to them because they're trying to use cap spaces here. It just becomes a question of what that contract is going to be, you know, I think it it ends up maybe in the five million a year range something like that is where they end up, but that's, you know, Vinnie. Smith was hitting the three ball early in the year dropped off ended up in the very low thirties writer on where he's been in his career looked much better taking it, but really just fell off and career thirty percent three point shooter. So you're kind of hoping that he can continue to build on what he did the first half of the year. So. Perhaps the Mavs try to bring someone else in. But just who is that going to be there is not if they don't get one of the stars hard to say who that is Lukic can't guard the three they need someone with some size of the wind room. They're supposed to like be taking the next step forward next year now with Porzingis and Luca and ascending to be a playoff teams late finished Smith. Is it an amazing option? Just because the shooting isn't great Anki solid but unspectacular defensively, but because he's got the low capital. So he's basically very cheap for this year. You know, I think they try to bring him back. But that seems like it's headed to the sort of five million a year type range and the new presidency want to put up big numbers in Phoenix. And then he had that thumb injury that torpedoed the last few weeks of his season. But also a sub what Spacey defender better on smaller players. You don't really want him guarding the other teams threes just too skinny not that physical there. So that's one more. They traded for him in theory. They'll wanna bring impact but his capital situation is interesting as as a restricted free agent. That capital is nine point six million. Phoenix doesn't particularly have a path to space to get a point guard unless they move on from his capital or go for a stretcher of Tyler Johnson and his nineteen point two million or make some kind of a trait. So they're looking at seven point six million right now with his cap pulled on the books, pending a what their draft Pickens of being. So there is a scenario in which maybe they just let him go, and he becomes unrestricted. But seems unlikely that that would happen right at the start of free agency. And they could potentially be looking to make their own free agent or restricted free agent offered as only carry Rosiere or maybe like, Malcolm Brogdon or something. And then maybe they pull Uber as qualifying offer and take his capital off the books, and he could become unrestricted saw I he doesn't seem like someone who's gonna get an offer necessarily. But I also don't think he's very similar to a lot of players that they already have. Although better than say Josh Jackson in TJ warranted is so. Inscrutable as wall. So I do think he's a valuable player for them. And he's always more of an adult in the room. Then a lot of the guys they have on the wing. So it's I'm not sure where that sky what do you feel as far as what ends up happening there? In terms of making him an offer seems like one of those ones like, oh, we can't let the asset go, but you're not so important to us that like we're going to move aggressively. The lock you up with an offer that you're gonna like end-july. I I don't have a particularly great read on Bray players like him are the to me, the it only takes one restricted off restricted offer type of thing where they're, you know, fifteenth pick in the draft a few years ago still only twenty three years old doesn't turn twenty four until partway through next season that somebody with space or maybe with the full non taxpayer mid level exception just goes well, look at this forward market, there aren't that many guys available. He's younger than a lot of them. And while I would probably disagree with an offer that lucrative. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone make it because he could be overvalued and especially with when you have this time. Ms the sun where he was a little bit more effective and got to play more minutes that that if you were already liked him, the parallel here is kind of I don't think of him as nearly as accomplished, but like Harrison Barnes where Barnes having the success that he did on the warriors it strengthened the resolve of the people who liked him in the first place, and I could see Uber getting you know, like one offer kind of in that range in on. My instinct is that that would then we to Phoenix not matching. But just giving him a contract at around that number. And that's why I'm guessing this plays out fringes shoot free agents. Jake Lehman coming off his third year. Did actually start some games. He got the Keith bogans quite a few times improved three-point shooting which had been awful in his career up to thirty three percent. So enough where he at least had to be honored to some degree wasn't efficient finisher around the basket. Sixteen percent usage isn terrible for the type of player that he wasn't. And he's he's got some size athleticism was something else. That's really important for Lehman. He he had this big drum jump in effectiveness true shooting this year. And a lot of that actually came from two he did shoot better from three months from mid twenties on overall, maybe over the first two years to thirty three. But sixty five percent from two is pretty impressive. I don't know how much of that is sustainable, you know, you can see shooting fifty percent on ten to fifteen feet shooting. Thirty eight percent on long twos. Both of those seem a little bit Rosie to me. But you know, he he's he has more athleticism. And you think he did a good job finishing around the rim and took a lot more of a shots there, which is important and something you could see Lehman continuing limited only played about four hundred minutes in his career prior to this. And we were critical of them even picking up his nonguarantee because he had just been a complete non factory at a really nice summer league shooting the ball. And I think he is Ellison self as an NBA player with thirteen hundred minutes this year, actually started thirty three games. And I think a lot of what happens with him will be dependent on what happens with off Ruben Minu in Portland. Maybe they even with think he's got. Small-cap old. We can kind of really hold his price down and bring him back, and he could be a stopgap starter for us. If a media leaves next to hark loss Stanley Johnson age Twenty-three got traded New Orleans. There's hope that maybe you could break out there. He did not. He's just been a total struggle for him. He's just never improved it back as almost regressed shooting. The ball. Does have the defense potentially is someone who will probably get a look. But it seems like he's writer on the minimum. I would be very surprised if New Orleans gives him a qualifying offer at this point same thing. With Justin Anderson Atlanta, who really struggled to get on the floor, even with the many injuries that they had on the wing this here, and then Sam Dekker, another one of these all of these guys made with the exception of labor are ones that we have perhaps slightly fetish is in the past. As all these guys have the potential to be a good player on the wing, and it just as never worked out for them. You know, inner since twenty five maybe his energetic. Also, he's just put on some weight that great athleticism. They had early in his career seems to have waned a little bit. But all these guys. The ads of defensive potential with their size, and then just haven't really been able to make the three ball consistently. And maybe t they'll keep getting chances may be as the team thick aren't that? We will be the one to teach him to shoot. So you would think that these guys may with the exception Anderson will be in the league next year, but on flyer minimum type deals, I wouldn't expect any of them to get qualifying offers from their team I would under. Yeah. I think we are. I can mention that. My Spurs off season preview is up at the ethnic not as much going on there as the clippers who came out on Monday. But still plenty to discuss in terms of Rudy gay that's actually negotiation that we talked about I talked about at length there because of the unusual circumstances with his early bird rights and their flexibility relative to the luxury tax. So I like I like going through that exercise with them. And I kind of went big picture in terms of the next couple of years of their time line. All right. We are going to be off on Wednesday night because we did that special Saturday episode. So but fear not we will talk about Wednesday night's game on Thursday nights. Episode when we will be back. We'll talk to you all then.

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Barstool Rundown - June 23, 2020

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Barstool Rundown - June 23, 2020

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And then I see in my spot. My spot I see your fucking Mug. Coverage saw me probably didn't hear much because I think I said a total of nine words on the down, but I got a number now going for twelve all right. Let's get into fucked topics I. Think the prisoner. He's on the Dana. Be Path. He's about three bringing bud lights down to Nashville next thing we know and make him t shirts with this leaning. Jeez, twist, it starts out with cute little edit of a stamp going on your head and next thing. You know he's trying to talk you I. Got Wally Fifty. Steal my fucking spot unbelievable only that stamp foreign group yet porn create, but yeah I mean if you're like me, I guess. What he thought, I wasn't going to see it and ordinarily I wouldn't, but somebody sent me the clip and I and he was like Shit. I didn't think you were to see that one man. Yeah, I. See you I'm watching you. You fucking skunk. Start off in Ford's. Novak Djokovic is grown a virus. After he planned his own event that involved most social distancing in no masks, and all that Shit, he and his wife both test positive amongst believe some other people like fans. who were there he is, he is a anti, is a noted ANTIBAC- CER-. They call them Novak's Jovovich. Hilarious. Yeah, I mean that's that's like whoever came. Whoever hit that one first? Great Love It. There's been a lot of. Lot of Kinda poetic justice with coronavirus these days from the people who are licking toilet seats in the early going. Town to this dude, not great I. Don't give a shit about tennis or job is really, but I think this is kind of a sign of bigger things to come. Where if you know if a tennis player can get it or when you got fifty football players on the field or A basketball court crowded with guys I. Think we're GONNA see a lot more of this. But what do you got on the irony of Jovic? I think that if you're a high profile. I. Think we're seeing happened with some college football teams, but you should be getting corona virus sooner than later like you might as well just get this shit now, so when everybody's playing, and when the tournaments are actually happening, you're going to be immune to it, and so you can actually play I. Really think that that's with Dabo. Sweeney is doing with all of his Clemson kids. He's making them lick toilet seats. He's making them like ignore corona virus, so the Karma comes and hits them, so they'll be all right. When people are actually playing sports yet. It's like. Like you know when you're it used to be back in the day is not a concern anymore. But when parents would you know? One kid gets box. You throw the other kid in the mix like. Let's get this over with especially. If you're a young a young athlete, you probably going to be fine, but the problem of course is you know God forbid any sort of crazy complication. Crazy case, it's not as simple Zap, but I feel you man. Get it over with now so that you can play when when it matters what he got Michelangelo. I actually I agree with both of you. Guys on on that was. UNBELIEVABLE CONTENT Album going point, my point is if if you're going to be Novak and you're GONNA fly in the face of what everyone's saying to do. At least social distancing at least do what you know. People are gonNA. See I think he should have at least went through the steps to act like he cared enough to have some precautions in place I remember everyone used to say like tennis golf for the kind of sports that you could get away with with grown buyers, knowns close, but then there's a picture of Novak playing like one on one basketball with the guy that did have it tested positive before him which is like okay. Yeah, and what I mean. Like in this guy's face, it's ultimately not gonNA matter. Personally for Novak is in machine. He's going to be fine, but in everybody else your event than the people went home to grandma, and GRANDPA, and all that Shit. It is going to be a problem which is why some athletes like trans is is elected to sit out for the entire season. which I think was more about his injury, history and and just. Just over two like he's an impending free agent. I think he is too bad ACL's, but he's also losing six hundred thousand dollars by not playing so a You would definitely take six hundred thousand dollars to go play basketball for two months, or whatever, but be is just like a terrible example for the rest of basketball like if you're you're you're you're? Let your team down. You're leading the fans down like it's not gonNA, there's. Policies the NBA has taken out that even if your career is somehow ruined by virus, you're going to be a millionaire ten times over regardless just fucking play basketball. Do what you're paid to do. I feel you I also at the same time though like. If you if you have to bad ACL's annual already talking about a season that's loss and really not impactful for you this season. Mean for him, and he's worried about his future in his money. It's it's a trade off to me of leg. What you said you're a competitor. You're an athlete. Go play for the fans, versus like this is a calculated business decision on his part that it might not. It might not be sexy or spicy or like competitive, but I also see the other side of it is like why risk it for a season that we're not. We're not going to contend. We got no shot I might get. might get injured. I'm surprised actually seeing more of that I think my team though I. Don't one like I would have signed him as a free agent if it's like when the going gets tough, and we really Ni like a shooter or something like that. He's going to be care more about himself than the rest of the team. Yeah, but what do you think about? Why would you say that about Hawaii when he was on that should. Know I a complete double standard right, and that's fine because that's that's the name of the. Co is fucking awesome and he can do that. For, Trans is not on that level so fuck. Langeloth. Of My bed. Go ahead, Michelangelo. no I'm just like why are people can saying anything to that extent yet like I? Hate to Dr Vouch yet here, but with cases going up and everything I'm like worried that all these plans that are being put in place are just GonNa get cancelled anyway. So I'm wondering like what what is it benefit him to even be speaking out right like wait until the last minute before you, you put your hand up as one guy who's not a competitor. Yeah, exactly because now you have people like us talking about him and you know giving shit about being like a selfish player in less. Here's the thing unless you know. There's other players who feel the way he deals, and they're afraid to speak up and he's going to be like. Fuck it. on speaking up for everybody who is a little bit concerned again. It's not what the fans want to hear, but I think I can understand at least the motivation behind it. Yet Trevor Rees is going through a custody battle with his kid or something like that and is opting to not play for the trailblazers because he wants to like get. The extra is a twelve year old that he wants to get like the extra time in with or something in this battle I bet we're going to see more people kinda dropping out and opting not to play especially as they start to sense, a championship isn't going to happen, but like I don't think these guys all have the financial security to just be like I won't take the millions of dollars. What do you think? Are you okay with it for for like a family motivation? I mean I think the people I think that some people use their families to to Kinda hide behind and I. Guess like if you don't want to go when play you don't have to go and play, but you also have to deal with the consequences and repercussions of your public image of being someone who is like going to quit when when it seems to be like a dangerous situation. I mean the Trevor Rees. Thing sounds like a very specific case and I. Don't know all the details of it, but in general I think that there was a lot of like all of a sudden pro athletes were like the gold standard family. Men who like I can't leave my family. I can't be apart from them. I mean since that's part of the GIG is really that you're always like on the road so I. I think there was throughout all of this from when money health family all at a lot of posturing. Negotiating I think it always has been from from day. One Bill Simmons is is. Is Catching some heat, so the ringer this all kind of started when him and Russillo did their podcasts during the black lives matter like the peak of that movement that was not really well received, and it kind of put the magnifying glass in the spotlight on the ringer, and the complaint being that the ringer doesn't have many black writers. It doesn't have many black editors and Bill Simmons came out with the quote that it's a business. It's not an open mic. MIC night, which just some fighting words, that's some like drew a line in the sand which I can understand the problem is simmons has his daughter. A podcast is given. All of his body is a podcast I feel like uncle, Sal, and his dad and all I mean I've always heard about Bill Simmons like buddies, so it's tough to be like it's not an open mic night when you are. The King of nepotism already got on the Ringer and are boy sports guy. Yeah I mean I. think that we're we're. It's a tough situation. Because Barstool is perfect, diversity wise, but I think that we're gonNA eons better but at the same time like you can't. You can't be just saying like anybody who gets hired as like some open mic. Shit I think that is something you have to kind of be intentional about and just like kind of make sure that it's there instead of subjugating everybody to like. Like an open Mike or something like that they're not you disagree with I. Think that this was stupid of him. The double down on it would have been easy to backpedal and be like yeah. I didn't have the temperature of the room. Correct and I'll do better next time yet I mean open mic is i. mean that's your belittling like anybody who they may have been You know recommending as as a writer whatever that was. I don't know if you just said that one off the cuff and Kinda you know got got quoted in like really hit hard, but that was not a good look. What are your Mike Yeah? I agree. For media personality June know how to disagree with people. It's yes, end Kevin. It's all Improv. H gotta go with it. All disagree with you on something. By the end of this rundown. Next topic I think Michelangelo Stinks and editing the rundown. Mike, I disagree with you on that where you got all. The Bill Simmons like you know. It's an easy thing to say but like. The room like it's not the time for those type of which is particularly surprising for him, because I don't I don't think of him anymore. As like a edgy dude. Who's GonNa like you know, draw a line in the stand and be like fighting with people I. Mean the last time he was edgy, was when he said Fox on that commercial for his age. Behold show I believe the perfect food otherwise. He's been pretty pretty clean, so not the right, not the right time decide to be. Edgy Bill! No, he's on the edge of having to pay for his own damn. Sports Stadium I believe the billionaires should pay for their own fucking football stadiums. We saw that spotify deal two hundred million like you. Gone. I couldn't believe that. By the way I mean I know with the ring, or you're getting like a full company, but I mean I. I feel like. I really. They overpaid on that one I don't know all the how many shows they're quite getting there, but that was a big fucking number. Especially when you look at like Brogan for one hundred, I mean, I know who I would pick. WHO's buying up? All the stock markets crashed because you know that Shit's going on a lot of. Are Still Sports Guy. I. Mean All sorts of people right? What stocks can I buy? Some of their shows, I mean it's like I. Don't know I'm not trying to start up a war here, but it's not that inspiring like content to just like I mean I it does. The evaluation does seem a little bit off. Maybe he's still living off the name of it definitely, if that happened after this pandemic or after these comments, I could I bet that would hurt his value for sure he's lucky got. Maybe that's it. Maybe he got the baggage fucking. Block people don't WanNa hire you. This is not open mic night. Let go money. In the world of MLB? Keep up anymore. somebody built Bob. Nightingale said there will be a sixty game season than I thought I saw something about it. Overwhelming players vote. On this subject. That I got a guest on this subject Oh there. He is rocket. What? What's what's the I I saw you know. We're definitely getting a sixty game season. Nice haircut by the way and then what was the vote like thirty? Three to five players said No. was that on the sixty games using? The players voting no. Way. You can't give me the whole wedding wear and then vote. No will the reason why they voted `no is because they want to maintain their rights to still pursue legal action like they wanna be able to soothe owners so. Wasn't that part of the thing was like? You have to waive your grievance right right now. It's not. So like now see I. Think the players are now overplaying their hand like the H. is not. I think it is the thing this year. But it's not next year, and then now they're talking about like a like a bubble system for the play offs. It's not happening. Bro, there's no baseball. I'm glad that you keep. Saying is not because that means that it's going to happen I. think that this is I think. Corona virus is much proof. Why didn't why didn't Man Frejus? Get his hands on this. Like a month ago. Because, he's an eighty. Yes, the fucking Moron rocking there is not on this So the reason I brought up baseball in general was the one what I think is one of the worst twitter fights. I've ever seen Trevor Bauer versus Aubrey huff usually trevor. Bauer brings the heat. We know that Aubrey is fucking off. The reservation with like make America great again. Crazy Shit, I mean. This was one of the the lamest back and forth resulting in like a stat, arguing when trevor. There's no knockout blow. Blow. It was kind of disliked. You put it to a judge's decision that I guess Trevor Barr wins because well. You know what I don't think Trevor Bauer put out that he has point one war higher and Aubrey was like. Yeah, we'll take my two rings. Yes, but then Aubrey. Huff I think that one eleven in the playoffs regard or something like that. It's like he is same thing like you got the participation trophy. Yeah, I, I did not find either of them to be very inspiring. When war is huge though. What's? GWENT, one war difference is pretty yeah. I know I. I don't think it's an up kidding I. don't even know what that would equate to I. I, don't think it's enough to to have. One day to rings, and the other guys, none and you're talking about point. One War I don't think you. That was not the staff to pull out. All their participation Trophies Aubrey huff. I mean if I reemphasize never borne the giants still win, both those titles and a third that he wasn't there for you know it was a huge part of that was. One of the great baseball players of all time panda. Goes? Second Half of the rundown is brought to you by Felix Gray. Millions of Americans are at home now. Staring at their screen, staring at their phones I mean people watching Michelangelo's rundowns for hours on end there watching the Friday roundups. They're watching his cutesy edits. Their eyeballs are bleeding. Because people can't look away from the Michelangelo Rundown, so you gotta get your. Felix Gray glasses with the. The blue light filter that and filter out ninety percent of all the damaging a range that eliminates all the headaches. All the sleeplessness of the blurry is. By using industry-leading Lens Technology only available at Felix Gray. The frames are hand finished endurable. 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I bet you all the yield is own I mean he's not. He's a boy, not to be messed with. You. Know but he rapper I think he. He signed up for. Addiction programs. Get through his gambling and weed and stuff like that which I think a lot of times. It's like you get to go to Rehab instead of jail time. Whatever it was though I mean that's a big time reduction in sentenced to get out in a year in a week. Wasn't it? Also Corona virus known what they well, the reports are that it was not corona related. That is what happened regardless whether or not, that's true I don't know. Now, I know great used to be affiliate. Guy Right in the early days of his career. I think he was on affiliate station before. Really establishing himself at Wfan. I from day one. I never really had too big of an issue with his crime. He he was. He was It was a ticket scam involving like blocks of tickets that never really like existed, but it was four million dollars, and he scammed a a hedge fund and identified Hedge Fund worth like billions, and a Doodoo owns I believe Sapphire Strip. Club owner in New York it was like a loan shark, those like the two victims. Were stealing from the rich. Honestly. I I'm not saying it's not a crime. I'm not saying he should have done time. All that's well and good. I believe he repaid most of the the the damages he did the time. And I think that if anybody out, there is like still overly offended by this especially with everything else. We've seen in the world right now. I think you lying. I just don't think it's possible. It's not like he scammed grandma. It's not like he took money out of your pocket. It's not like it was a a sum of money like the somebody trying to compare it to the Bernie madoff scam that was eighteen billion dollars that trickles down to like you know a family level where he fucked over a ton of People Greg Garden. He got a gambling. He got it in a gambling hall and needed to scam. His way out of it and I think that's fine. He did the time. I just can't imagine people are. Anybody was really upset about this because you don't like Greg Card. There's nothing to do with the crimes that you don't like cry. And what's going to happen, is so I think what people really want to know. Is Barstool going to hire? Or is he going to have Trista Creek sending him fifty dollars worth of gift cards at a time until she's she's dead, broke or something. To the morning from Craig Garden. Compliments of the season I. I mean we were on, we were negotiating with Craig. When he got fired from wfan before he went to jail, and he was basically lying was saying I'm not going to jail I? Promise you know jail times coming. You'RE GONNA. See we've got like we've got the smoking gun. That proves my innocence and. And there was like a no fight in the trial. He didn't even they didn't even try. It was just like boom going to jail so I. Think Craigie you know. He's a hustler in a schemer and his scammer and I think that's what he was you know. He was trying to keep his head above water when he was negotiating with Barstool. What I'm reading that there's a good chance he goes back to Wfan. I don't think he would have is morning. Show slot because boomer, go or Jilin, it could be a whole colony of underwater chickens at the crabs are eaten up constantly right. They'd just a hatch crabs just like that. That, you know they. They've gone back to the well with Francesa I don't give up. Never give I never flown trying to keep up with their ratings and I think I mean Craig whatever you think about him. He does fog in numbers so. I guess it will. We'll find out but gamblers way bigger than it was when he got locked in the clink a year ago, so. A break his addiction, so he can talk about gambling. It's actually tougher. Yeah, I don't know if he would be you know I. don't even know if you'd be like allowed I. Don't know if a station would allow him to talk about gambling now if he's got a history with it, but it is all legal now, so maybe not. A gluten, allergy, like. You need to do it. Yeah, but I. I think. The dude is ultra talented, I. Don't think he'd even have to talk about sports or gambling. It will give you numbers. Give your ratings. I I you know I. Don't speak for arrogant Dave about who we do and do not higher, but I would. I would show them in our beat, so I think wherever he ends up landing He'll do just fine. Maybe Michelangelo can edit his shit maybe. Gambling addict stamp on his head. You son of a bitch. You said he has to go to Rehab. Though for well, I think that was part of you know the idea was like if i. if I'd say I have a problem, you know A. Really needs it. I don't know but. Either way big news out of New York I came out of nowhere. Nobody knew it was coming so welcome home. Craig and I got no problem now. Saying like after everything I've seen is not a Predator is not a murderer is not a racist. Just don't care about his crime big deal. Which? I said he might get out of jail WANNA. Just go right back in because like the world shocks now like. It's not a bad year to get locked the fuck up and knows I was I, was working out reading books, and not worrying about the rest of you fucking animals on the outside. Along the lines of Craig and people trying to make it back and keep their careers going. We got John Rule doing local. Commercials for Greek Delis Papakristo's Greek. Out No. He's rocking iheart Greece shirt and he's just swearing. They got the best mother fucking. On the market. Rose John Rose. Your Life So. ruin. You also say you saw him at a house party or something. You're singing like he was saying and I'm real in like the on somebody's back deck for like fifteen people. It was like a forty five year old like woman, and what when we signed him for our Super Bowl Party wherever the hell that super bowl was I was so fired up I thought it wasn't his thing ever in Houston. Dave who you want for this event. Play the music. Let's give them a hint. fucking name Jarrell. Why now it doesn't seem like that big of a get well I think we got like the last. It was legitimately like the last time John Rule went out there, and did the damn thing after that was the firefighters debacle. And now he's like you know what the I think. Honestly the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen is the clip of him in Milwaukee at the halftime show. He's like Milwaukee Y'all with me. Man So bad and that's Amanda. Legend that's murder. INC that's it's real. Let's forget all that Shit. Got Classics Man Right like how is this like the? What's the step below this like? He still has big enough classics where people want to hire him for House Party. Give them a couple of thousand bucks, or whatever like ashtray money to them but like. Just like poor person after this like yeah I, think the next step is Cameo I. Think John Making Cameos That's when you know. He's really trying to make Megan's. Who wrote the script for the? Elephant anybody I think he's just restyling like. Ghana fucking lamb. and. Gyros. Cop Pizza. And got to I'm telling you couple of up. Do. Pronounced! I guess that's better than having him like trying like. Memorize some scripts like that. Mafias all time badge. Wall it also at the end of the day I would not have been talking about Papa owes Greek Delhi. So I think you know mission accomplished by them as far as? The Bar was made four a show where celebrities try to compete to like all right I didn't. I didn't know that there was. A local commercials yeah, no. I thought that, too, but I don't know who he was competing while you fucking ruined, did now Mike, you, fucking jerk. What do you mean now? It's not funny. Yeah, I guess I guess it's not Joh- road Gyro, fifty cent versus. You'd think that would be I mean it'd be a bloodbath fifty which is. Set will probably kill him, but it would be like awesome just to see that fight materialized one more time. I think lake, the first like five five songs rule could hang, and they play some of his classics, and then fifty, which is clown. Start running up the score, but I'd watch the shit out of that man. Did you see fifties sweet? He tweeted about this and said. Don't fuck with me or you'll be making like gyro commercials on the street is true. True like the. Wake of destruction. You got this guy making fuck in public access commercials. Sounds like fucking like he sounds like Kirk talking about like K. Marco being like our ruin this guy. What like I'll go to any like? No no nick he's relentless does not let up. It's like dude. He's dead already. You Kill John. Rule like fifty times, and he's still just dancing on Grey's run up the score yet decades later. We got I got I so many topics here. I'm loving today's rundown. We got this new show on Netflix. The floor is lava. which any anybody who's ever had childhood never had any fun at all. The floor is lava is is one of the best games you can play this. They like formalized it and you're jumping from sofas tables. It's the whole set looks like living room and it is like water. It looks like lava. Which I think is the problem. I think it's gotta be now real lava, but I think it's GonNa be scalding hot water. So. It has to be in danger of getting physically. I need like third degree Burns I watch these people they jump and they dive, and they don't make it, and they land in the water and it's like. Oh, no, when it needs to be like. SCAN. Then I. Think I would watch this shit every. Death like you want to be on the line, and then you'll be interested I think we're seeing on TV shows go through like cycle, so we'll. There's like the dating show boom, and there's a ton of native shows or the there's like like cooking show booms, or whatever and I think right now in the wake of this show like wipe out or whatever there's tons of shows where there's like moving tackling dummies that are not in people into water and shit like that in America, just has an appetite for like someone to set up an elaborate set and see some. We'll get smacked in the face with a fake boxing glove and knocked into a body of water. The the the boxing glove on the things. Megara remember most extreme elimination challenge on Spike TV out was the original goat of that was hilarious under. The age it I've ever seen. And that. Lost that had like you know you got fuck in Brockton the face. There was some true violence to that I. Think I think you need that element so floors lava gotTA step it up at Boeing. FLOORS LAVA is. Those yearly will Wenda. Guys like fucking tight room. Walking cross sounds kind of just like a worst version of that, or if they fall in, they just fall into water these Areas begets on the rundown. Searching Shirt checked. Shirt can't see during the. So many bucks the books of little pond I mean he's a reader. The man reader. Aren't you just said so many books yeah. Last topic on the run down here. Oh, by the way speaking of dating shows, go netflix. Watch dating around watch the Ben Episode you'll fucking pass out from second. Way. I just wondered last topic. Oh, yes, ship set a minute. All right, let's wrap it up. Then I'll just say this real. Quick New, York City or G clubs are still trying to open with social distancing rules where you can't have sex with anybody else. Other than the party brought kind of defeats the purpose of a fucking orgy. 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Diana, Princess of Wales

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Diana, Princess of Wales

"Emergency lights flickered through the cold walls of the pond. Allama as parisian authorities arrived at the scene smoke sputtered from the smashed crashed black mercedes s. two eighty on the tunnels farside. The hood of the car was crunched into the driver's seat. The authorities rushed to recover the crash crash victims as they triage d- they found two of the four passengers were still alive. One was a bodyguard named trevor rees jones d the other was one of the most famous women in europe diana. The princess of wales was trapped in the car pinned the by the mangled seats horrified. The paramedics immediately began to cut her out of the wreckage for seven ten minutes. The the rescuers drilled into the twisted metal trying to free the injured princess finally around twelve thirty three a._m. They managed to pull diana out of the car. She was barely breathing but alive. They would have to act fast if they were going to save her life. Hi i'm vanessa richardson and i'm carter roy. Welcome to historical figures apar- cast original every other wednesday we discussed the different print persons lasting historical impact unique personality and impression on the world around them are audio biographies covered big lives but we you like to focus on little known facts today. We're discussing diana francis spencer the princess of wales nickname the people's princess diana dedicated her adult life to founding and aiding charitable organizations around the globe she personally cared for victims of cancer aids in leprosy and was an advocate for dozens of impoverished nations but princess diana is also remembered for her notorious public scandals throughout the nineteen eighty s and nineteen ninety s the world was enthralled by her turbulent marriage and very public divorce from prince charles heir to the british throne today will explore diana's privileged early life her scandal ridden relationship with prince charles and her tragic untimely untimely death at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how doing reach out on facebook and instagram aah podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help we also now have merchandise had to park cast dot com slash merged for more information now back to the life of princess diana princess. Diana was born diana frances spencer on july first nineteen sixty one in sandringham sandringham norfolk. It was a quiet beautiful little village on the coast of the north sea. Her parents were edward. John spencer the eighth earl spencer answer and ruth shand kidd lady althorp for the majority of diana's early childhood she lived in a manner called parkhouse the word the house is a little misleading as the home was part of queen elizabeth. The seconds sandringham estate and measured approximately twenty thousand acres really it was more like a country palace. The home was a favourite destination for queen elizabeth the second when she wanted to go on summer holiday has such young diana was playmates with both prince andrew the future duke of york and prince edward the future earl of wessex although diana wasn't royalty her family was in the noble class from a young age she was exposed to the posh lifestyle of england's elite <music>. Let her blissful. Idyllic childhood didn't last long shortly after diana was born her parents began to fight according according to diana's biography diana her true story in her own words her father edward spencer was upset that his wife hadn't produced imail air. This sounds like an archaic thing to drive a marriage apart but even in the nineteen sixties. A male heir was essential for a noble family family to maintain their estate without a baby boy. The spencers would lose their title and likely their land after diana's father died edward. It was so frustrated with his wife. He forced her to go to a clinic in be examined for fertility problems while lady althorp did eventually give birth to a son on named charles in nineteen sixty four by then it was too late. She never forgave her husband for his treatment of her and their marriage continued to decline kline. Sadly this period diana's life likely set the stage for her own marital troubles. She would experience as an adult. Diana's parents finally finally divorced in nineteen sixty seven. Both parents fought for custody of the children but ultimately edward one. It's likely edwards. Status doesn't earl helped his claim life continued as normally as it could for the next few years in nineteen sixty seven seven year old diana hannah began attending sill field private school in gayton norfolk then in nineteen seventy three when she was thirteen. She started at west heath girl school in sevenoaks. Okay kent diana struggled academically in fact when it came time to take her all levels which are standardized tests that prove english students have competently completed their education. She failed twice. Diana was very shy and struggled to make friends. She spent a lot a lot of time alone. Preferring to play piano swim and practiced ballet in solitude as she grew up she came to appreciate the time she could spend alone away okay from the drama of her family but in nineteen seventy six when diana was fifteen the relative peace she had found for herself was blown apart when her father announced that he had married rain mccorkell dale the countess of dartmouth edward hadn't mentioned to his children that he was in a relationship with rain. Let alone that he planned to propose until the engagement was already. Official rain was known for her drinking and partying. She turned diana's diana's peaceful childhood home into in the words of the guardians lucy mangan a las vegas style gin palace diana founded all repulsive diana would refer to reign as acid rain in hatefully chant rain rain go away whenever she stayed with her father and new stepmother. We don't know what punishment diana received as a result but it's safe to assume it didn't help the domestic situation two years later when she was seventeen. Diana moved into her mother's flat in london. She took cooking classes and did something that most nobles never dreamt of. She got a job. She didn't need the money but she loved the idea of giving back to her community. By nineteen seventy eight diana was working as a dance instructor and also picked up work as a playground assistant. She found that she had a gift for helping people especially young children children for the next few years she enjoyed life in london with her mother and busied herself with as many part time jobs as she could these included working thing as a nanny a party host a nursery assistant and a house cleaner but in july nineteen eighty when diana was nineteen her life changed forever when her friend philip pass invited her to prince charles thirty first birthday celebrations at a country estate as prince prince his birthday included several days of partying and has an english prince several games of polo now from diana's perspective you might be able to to say that she and charles made a connection at this party and quickly fell in love as part of a whirlwind romance but the real story is a bit more complicated catered than that in the years leading up to this fateful nineteen eighty birthday party charles had been engaged in passionate but messy romance dance with camilla shand the couple had dated throughout the early nineteen seventy s but they broke up in nineteen seventy-three allegedly due to charles roles moving overseas to serve in the military however a likely additional reason is that camilla was seen as too low born to be a suitable wife. Hey for the heir apparent to the english crown under social pressure from her own family camilla married andrew parker bowles in nineteen seventy three and became camilla parker bowles however when charles returned from his military service he and camilla maintained a seemingly very friendly relationship relationship that transitioned into a rather open affair at some point in the late nineteen seventies the royal family apparently had no problem with charles carrying airing on the affair so long as he eventually settled down with a wife who was deemed quote suitable to serve as the future queen consort in the words of lord mountbatten uncle to charles father prince philip quote in a case like yours. The man should so his wild oats and have as many affairs as he can before before settling down but i think for a wife he should choose a suitable attractive and sweet character girl before she has met anyone else she she might fall for translation. It's okay for a man of charles standing to have affairs so long as he finds a sweet virginal woman to marry so in nineteen eighty thirty one year old charles was on the prowl for a wife someone whom he could perform his royal responsibilities ladies with while he's still maintained his relationship with camilla and as luck would have it this was exactly when he encountered diana at his birthday party. Charles ended up asking diana to join him that summer on his royal yacht britannia diana agreed and the official courtship began word soon spread about charles and diana's relationship both his mother the queen and even his girlfriend camilla urged charles to marry mary diana who was seemingly a suitable kind of girl following this trip charles diana to meet his family including his mother queen elizabeth the second at the royal family's favorite scottish residence bowel moral on november seventeenth nineteen in eighty diana met queen elizabeth the second her husband prince philip and charles grandmother elizabeth bowes lyon the queen mother her queen elizabeth. The second later said she enjoyed meeting diana and found her well-spoken that afternoon. Even at this early stage in diana and charles charles's courtship the press buzzed around the couple that were fascinated with the young prince's love life but there was something especially interesting about diana hannah she was not a royal family member and a crown. Prince hadn't married a non-royal in over three hundred years. Even stranger charles and diana only met thirteen times before he proposed on february sixth nineteen eighty one with a ring that consisted of fourteen eighteen solitaire diamonds surrounding twelve carat blue salon sapphire. It was the same ring currently worn by diana's daughter-in-law kate middleton duchess of cambridge at only nineteen years old. Diana said yes to charles into royal life. It may have seemed that she was set but her real challenges were just beginning up next. We'll explore the hostile bureaucratic landscape of the british keke and it's dark effect on diana. What if your doctor didn't know what was wrong with you. 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We're always looking for ways to improve the listener experience. We found an amazing partner in stitcher to bring you episodes ad free six months after they are released again. This'll only affect episodes older than six months. Nothing else will change. We'll still be releasing new historical figures episodes wherever you listen to podcasts fasts for free month trial go to stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use promo code podcast that stitcher premium dot com slash park asked asked and use promo code podcast now back to the story after nineteen year old lady. Diana spencer agreed to marry charles charles prince of wales in february of nineteen eighty-one. They continue to move fast. The date was set for their wedding. Just six months later in july. Ally diana soon found. She didn't have the happily ever after she'd imagined as she was. Ill equipped for the media attention. She faced she began to question ask if she was worthy of the royal family this extreme anxiety was amplified by the way charles treated her he began to make remarks about her her weight and even told diana she was getting chubby. After their engagement wrought with feelings of inadequacy diana developed bulimia in late february wary nineteen eighty-one just a few weeks after her engagement every time she made herself sick she felt a huge release of tension that that feeling became addictive to make matters even worse. Charles didn't exactly have is only for his future wife in the months loans leading up to the wedding in july of nineteen eighty one the same month. She was set to be married. Diana came to suspect that charles was still carrying on his affair with camilla. She discovered that charles had commissioned a bracelet for camilla and diana even went to his office to find the piece of of jewelry and confirmed the suspicion for herself. She confronted charles who at that time was known to be seen wearing cufflinks that each bore the letter c you see and see or charles and camilla charles seems like he wasn't exactly hiding what was going on and why would he his relationship. This ship with camilla had transitioned into a public ongoing affair. He didn't see any reason why he should give that up just because he was getting married naturally we though this didn't sit with diana at all she was so distraught by the whole affair that she considered calling off the wedding ultimately it was diana's sisters sisters sarah and jane who convinced her to go through with it. The wedding was a massive global publicity event that was going to draw the eyes of millions aliens of people from around the world. The ordeal was simply bigger than the feelings of just one person. Even though that person was the bride to be diana couldn't back down and so the wedding went forward as planned on july twenty ninth nineteen eighty one the day of the wedding the streets around saint paul's cathedral were lined with over six hundred thousand spectators trying to catch a glimpse of diana in her wedding gown seven hundred and fifty million more watched the event from their televisions at eleven twenty a m diana entered the cathedral wearing an ivory avary dress designed by famed dress makers david and elizabeth emanuel it featured a twenty five foot train and ten thousand a hand sewn pearls to put it simply. The dress was bold. The twenty five foot train was seen by some tabloid writers as ostentatious and counter intuitive in that address seemed to draw attention to itself rather than the future princess who is wearing it but that blip of controversy was quickly snuffed <unk> out by the massive popularity of copycat styles from her very first day as the princess of wales diana had established herself as a fashion icon once she was in the church diana knelt before the altar and pledged herself to her new husband and the british monarchy honor key diana from i take the child's philip author george charleston drew with that twenty year old diana became the princess of wales and the third highest biased ranking woman in the royal family following the wedding thirty two year old prince charles and the new princess of wales moved to kensington into palace a grandiose royal residence overlooking kensington gardens in london now married diana had one very important task to produce the next british air on november fifth nineteen eighty-one less than four months. After the wedding princess diana revealed she was pregnant with their first child but the pressures of royal life were still mounting. Diana was expected to accompany charles to royal events around the world old at the same time she had to prepare to give birth to the heir to the british throne and do so without ever seeming tents or strained. This stress was so intense. Diana actually attempted injure herself early in the marriage when she was twelve weeks pregnant. She threw herself down a staircase in her home. At the time. There was some debate as to whether this event was merely an accident but diana herself came forward years later to say she she did it because she felt so inadequate in the royal family. She didn't try to hurt herself again. At least not in any way publicly known unsourced quotes indicate that she engaged in other methods of self harm like cutting and may have even considered suicide but it's difficult to determine where we're the rumors end and the facts begin regardless from early on in her marriage. Diana felt suffocated by the tight hold that the royal family had on her life. She courted more controversy. When she gave birth to her. First child on traditionally in england a royal child was born at home mm-hmm but diana wanted her child to have the best medical treatment so on june twenty first nineteen eighty two. She gave birth to her first son william in the lindo wing of saint mary's hospital in london. This was the first time in history that an heir to the throne was born in a hospital queen elizabeth elizabeth. The second was upset about this decision but diana was uncompromising. She gave birth the way she felt was best animosity. Only we continue to grow between princess. Diana and the queen diana began to address more boldly at public events with her husband and to show affection to her child oiled public. All of this was seen as highly inappropriate in the eyes of the monarchy but diana didn't really seem to care. She did the exact ax same thing with the birth of her second son harry over two years later in september of nineteen eighty-four like william harry was born in saint mary's ariz hospital diana was determined to break tradition with her parenting style. She couldn't give her son's totally normal lives. They were royals and and so she but she did want them to get a sense of what it was like to live. As a common british citizen according to patrick jephson diana's chief of staff diana made shore william and harry experienced things like going to the cinema queuing up to by mcdonald's going to amusement parks those sorts of things that that were experiences that they could share with friends. Diana also disregarded the royal expectation that her children needed a nanny and decided to attend to william in harry herself. She drove them to school picked out their clothes and even planned their outings. Diana made her children the number one priority the in her life. She made sure all of her royal obligations like visiting hospitals were scheduled around them and there were a lot of royal events wants to attend diana average two hundred royal engagements a year in the nineteen eighties. She realized her visits drew media attention to impoverished communities entities and suffering people and she could use that media attention as a beacon for charity and social change. The best example of this came in nineteen nineteen eighty-seven when the twenty five year old diana took up the cause of aids research throughout the nineteen eighties. The aids epidemic had spread fear across the world. The public didn't understand how the disease spread so people were terrified to even touch victims of the disease public leaders were even reluctant lucked to say the word aids because it was considered such a dirty subject on april nineteenth nineteen eighty-seven diana arrived at london middlesex. Oh sex hospital to speak with some aids patients that day. She shook hands with one of the patients without wearing gloves. This may not seem like a huge gesture now but back in the nineteen eighties touching an aids patient unprotected was considered dangerous. A photograph of the handshake circulated pleaded around the globe in a matter of days and help to both humanize aids patients in de stigmatized disease but not everyone saw diana's china's work as heroic in fact queen elizabeth. The second publicly stated that the princess should get involved with quote something more pleasant. Diana jonah defended her actions saying quote h._i._v. does not make people dangerous to know you can shake their hands and give them a hug. Heaven knows knows they need it. What's more you can share their homes their workplaces and their playgrounds and toys while diana was battling the a stigma around aids. Her relationship with charles grew worse by the day by nineteen eighty-seven only six years into their marriage. He was growing growing coal to her and would leave for days at a time officially. Charles reported that the thirteen year gap in their ages was beginning to strain their relationship ship but diana couldn't help but wonder if something more scandalous was afoot. Diana decided to confront charles ex girlfriend camilla she had reason to believe that their relationship had never actually ended even though years had passed and they were both married to other people camilla continued to flaunt oughta bracelet charles had made for her at public events. Diana finally approached camila at a party in nineteen eighty. Nine charles was apparently alarmed at the two women wanted to meet watched as they found a private room. Diana later reported. She was terrified to talk with camilla but she was to to hurt and upset to give up when they were alone. Diana asked camilla about her involvement with charles camilla played coy and pretended not the understand what diana was talking about but by the end of the conversation she scolded diana for trying to learn the truth camilla said quote. You've you've got everything you ever wanted. You've got all the men in the world to fall in love with you and you've got two beautiful children. What more do you want. Diana responded. Did i want my husband. Following this encounter. Diana and charles had another fight about his infidelity. According to diana charles got angry scolded her until she cried. He didn't comfort her and even worse. He continued his relationship with camila. The rest of the royal family didn't seem to mind that diana was suffering without any kind of social support. She sought solace with a childhood friend. Brand named james gilbey in the early nineteen ninety s their affair became sexual and came to light in nineteen ninety-two courtesy of a seventy year old retired bank manager named cyril reenen seattle and his wife enjoyed listening to noncommercial radio frequencies in their spare time time it was in one of these listening sessions that he recorded diana in james gilbey talking intimately on the tape gilbey affectionately action league called diana squidgy and squid and diana talked about her concern that he might have gotten her pregnant unfortunately for diana to who reporters from local newspaper the sun caught wind of cereals recording of diana and quickly acquired a tape on august twenty third nineteen ninety two. They released it to the public. This tape quickly became an international scandal nicknamed squidgygate after the unusual pet name gilbey used for diana. It proved that diana was unfaithful to her husband and the crown this controversy may diana deeply paranoid about the press and the royal family she began to suspect that she was being recorded or even bugged in her everyday life but she was not going into back down easily in the early nineteen nineties. Diana decided to fight fire with fire. She was going to reveal to the world the dark dark underbelly of the british monarchy they would understand who their future king really was up next. We'll hear one of the most scandalous stories in the history of the british monarchy now back to the story in the early nineteen nineties princess diana's china's public image was suffering her affair with james gilbey had become a global story and she was now being accused of harming the royal family's image mitch in nineteen ninety-three. She described her feelings at a public luncheon. Dr was not aware of how overwhelming attention would become nor the extent to which it would affect both my public duties and and my pass in the life in amana. It's been hard to bath. The more diana made the public aware of her situation the more sympathy they offered her. They wanted to understand what was going on. Behind the scenes of the british royal family. Dan took the opportunity to sit sit for a series of interviews with her friend journalist andrew morton to document her side of the story in these interviews diana revealed graphic details of the long affair prince charles had with camilla she even divulged recorded phone conversation between charles and camilla from nineteen eighty nine in the conversation between the two of them was to be blunt graphic. This story which came to be known as camillagate was so scandalous that charles was right to the throne came into question. Diana herself said the tape was disgusting and prove that charles wasn't fit to be king both charles charles and diana were using the media as a weapon against each other exposing the others worst secrets to the press and the world by nineteen ninety two the couple was officially separated the prime minister of england john major formally announced the separation into the public charles even went on t._v. and confirmed to the world that he had been engaged in affair with camilla since nineteen eighty-six six though in reality they had likely been carrying on since long before that date diana enjoyed her time away from her estranged husband but became came acutely aware of how the constant negative attention on her marriage might affect her two sons she made the conscious choice to take a step back from public events in the interest of giving her sons some semblance of privacy over the next few months i will be seeking a most suitable way of combining lining a meaningful public role. We've hopefully a more private life. This vicious back and forth was too much for queen elizabeth. The second tend to bear on december twentieth nineteen ninety-five she sent letters to charles and diana advising them to divorce as soon as possible for once diana and queen elizabeth agreed on something in february nineteen ninety-six thirty four year old diana publicly announced announced her divorce this to upset the british monarchy who wanted to manage the publicity surrounding the split diana's audacity was seen as uncivilized behavior a few contentious months later in july nineteen ninety six the couple finally agreed to the terms of the divorce diana china would remain in kensington palace with her two sons she would also receive a lump settlement of seventeen million pounds or about twenty seven million dollars dollars each year after the split she would receive an additional four hundred thousand pounds or six hundred thousand dollars but diana would no longer carry carry the title of her royal highness and was prohibited from talking about the divorce in any capacity. The divorce was finalized on august twenty twenty nine. Th one thousand nine hundred ninety six after the divorce charles was free to go back to camilla not that this was any particularly major your change for him since they'd been carrying out the affair for over a decade over the next few years diana continued to raise money for aids research in in nineteen ninety-seven thirty five year old diana auctioned off seventy nine of her most iconic dresses and donated all of the proceeds to support aids aids research and she too soon found new romance far away from the british crown in july of nineteen eighteen ninety seven just after she had turned thirty six diana begin dating dhoti a forty two year old egyptian billionaire in film producer who had worked on films like hook and chariots of fire the couple embarked on a six week vacation across the mediterranean sea much to the delight the world press which was still very invested in diana and her love life and ianna seemed very invested in dodie she even had william and hairy than fifteen and twelve flown out to spend time with her and dodie on the trip tabloid reporters eight this up at that time dodie was still technically engaged to the american model kelly fisher the fact that he absconded with a princess no less and was now meeting. Her children was just too good of a story to resist diana who had spent years being torn apart by paparazzi for her apparent failure to live up to her duties. As the the princess of wales actually leaned into this attention she even sent word through her own press contact to prepare for some sort of announcement on august thirty first unfortunately will never know what that announcement was intended to be august thirtieth. Thank nineteen ninety-seven was supposed to be just another day in paradise. Dodi and diana woke up that morning and the sun drenched luxury of dodi's ody's yacht and set about preparing for their return trip to england diana had not seen her children in weeks and was eager to return home but i she in dodie had a dinner reservation in paris they boarded doty's private jet at eleven thirty that morning and landed in paris at three he twenty then they split up for a few hours. Diana had a hair appointment and doty had an appointment of his own. He went to repose jewelers to buy a ring which notably was from the tell me yes collection in the twenty plus years since that fateful night much has been made about this this particular purchase and the possibility that it was an engagement ring. We'll never know what dodi's intentions were as he met diana for what was to to be the last meal either of them would ever eat they met backup the ritz hotel and set out for dinner at ben wa paris where they had reservation but the couple found themselves overwhelmed with paparazzi and decided to forego their reservation and return to the rich to eat there after their meal dody and diana said about the somewhat complicated task of getting back to dodi's apartment without being hounded by the press they employed the services services of on re paul the head of security at the ritz paul ensured that a decoy vehicle was dispatched from the hotel and the ploy worked put a number of reporters followed the car hoping to catch additional glimpses of the couple where the coast relatively clear anri then ushered dodie be in diana into the back of a black mercedes s. two eighty along with their bodyguard trevor rees jones anri paul by all accounts had no oh business assisting the couple that night he was supposed to be off and he was certainly unable to drive though there are discrepancies as to what and how much he had to drink the general account is that enrique paul had at least two drinks that night before he got behind the wheel of the car it was likely more than that his autopsy would later reveal that he had a blood alcohol content of over three times the legal limit in france additionally additionally on rehab prescription antidepressants in his system that mixed with alcohol were surely affecting his motor skills. Nevertheless honoree drove the car away from the ritz at that same time. The paparazzi discovered the ruse and returned in time to start following following the s. two eighty it is because of the photographs taken by these pursuing journalists that we know that neither doty nor diana were wearing seatbelts belts that night dodie asked on re to take an indirect route back to his apartment in the hopes that they would lose some of their pursuers along the way on re obliged lied and drove toward the pond aloma tunnel the car entered the tunnel between twelve twenty two and twelve twenty three on the morning of sunday august thirty first nineteen ninety-seven the posted speed limit and the tunnel was thirty one miles per hour on ray was driving at around sixty five five miles per hour soon after the car entered the tunnel it smashed into a white fiat swerved and crashed right into a pillar. The car crumpled under the force of the impact dody and on re were both killed instantly. The first rescuers rescuers arrived on the scene within ten minutes of the collision. Those initial reports indicated that diana was actually fine. She was conscious thus shaken but only with a few visible external injuries it wasn't until they made efforts to remove diana from the car that the real problems became evident. Diana went into cardiac arrest as they polder from the crumpled vehicle. The french rescue workers quickly moved to stabilize table is and resuscitate order now in france. It's standard practice to stabilize an injured victim at the scene of an accident before making efforts to move moved to a hospital in the decades since that tragic night british and american health professionals have criticized the actions that the french rescue workers. I took if they had followed british procedures and rushed her straight to a hospital well who knows how things might have turned out differently. The rescue workers successfully got diana's heart beating again and a doctor on the scene gave her drugs to calm her down minutes later. Diana had another heart attack. Rescue workers resumed administering c._p._r. And then started to make preparations to move her to a hospital. It's notable that p._t._a. Salpetriere the hospital in question was not the closest medical facility to the crash site but the workers who made the call felt it was better better equipped to help diana over an hour after the crash at one forty one in the morning the rescue workers finally got diana into the ambulance silence and started making way for a hospital. The ambulance drove slow out of fear that a fast moving vehicle might exacerbate diana's condition. Her blood blood pressure was dropping at one point. The ambulance pulled over so that the doctors on board could try to stabilize her once again. Diana finally lee reached the hospital at just after two in the morning. The doctors who received only then realized the full scope of her injuries. The sudden severe severe impact of the crash had actually shifted the position of diana's heart in her chest. She was bleeding internally from tears in her cardiac veins. She was in bad shape when she arrived and there was little the doctors could do for her by that point at four in the morning on august thirty first nineteen ninety eighty seven diana princess of wales was declared dead officially the crash was labeled as the result of anri paul's reckless driving but this horrific collision and princess diana's sudden tragic death have ignited conspiracy theories some have claimed the death of princess. Diana was engineered the most popular theory. Is that the british secret intelligence service. Am i six killed diana on behalf of the crown. This theory is best supported by a journal entry from princess diana herself which stated her belief that the royal family would stage an accident to make room for a new queen consort. It's clear the royal family didn't like diana at the time of her death breath but organizing assassination after she had already officially divorced prince charles seems excessive another popular theory is that diana who was pregnant with dodi fads child at the time of her death and the british family didn't want their future king to have a muslim half brother and but no matter how she really died princess diana's loss was felt around the world. Diana's funeral took place on september for sixth nineteen ninety seven in westminster abbey her private burial followed later that day at her family's home or twenty two years after her untimely death princess. Diana remains one of the most famous members of the british royal family. That's just a little ironic nick given she married into and then subsequently divorced out of that family over the course of her life beyond the sudden tragic and to some bazaar circumstances of her death diana lived on in the form of her public image her status as a style icon and her very publicized publicized charitable work much of her estate including her dresses jewelry and furniture has been auctioned off or displayed for the public with the proceeds is going to charity and of course her two sons william and harry have come into their own as public figures with their internationally televised weddings things in two thousand eleven and two thousand eighteen respectively as well as their charity work. The tragedy of diana's death stays with us because because of how sudden and unexpected it was but her impact on britain and the world lives on to this day. Thanks thanks for tuning in to historical figures. We will be back in two weeks with a new episode. If you're interested in more in depth discussion of the conspiracy theories we mentioned mentioned in this episode checkout park other show conspiracy theories where my co-host mauling i covered the controversy around princess diana's death you can find all previous episodes of historical figures as well as all of our casts other shows on spotify and anywhere else you listen to podcasts several of you have asked to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram at our our cast and twitter at our cast network. We'll see you next time. Historical figures was created by max cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network is produced by max and ron cutler with sound designed by david turk production assistance by ron shapiro paul libeskind and maggie aggie admire. This episode of historical figures was written by michael herman and stars vanessa richardson and carter roy. Now that are episode is over. Here's the clip of the first episode of the podcast original medical mysteries. It's about joseph merrick a man with severe deformities deformities who was first exhibited at a freak show as the elephant man follow medical mysteries for free on spotify and wherever you get your podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash medical mysteries tillerson now on a cold monday morning november eighteen eighty four canvas banner was unfurled over a shop window on white chapel road in in london. The crude painting showed a humanoid creature with an elephant's trunk rampaging through the jungle. It was monstrous unfathomable. It was the elephant man half a man and have an elephant atop headed showman barked at the doctors and students trailing into the london hospital right across the street for just two pence. They could see the specimen for themselves but ladies in delicate health were advised not to step inside the elephant. Man's condition could be quite a shock <music> as the man led the curious spectators in he warned them ladies and gentlemen brace yourselves to witness one who is probably the the most remarkable human being ever to draw the breath of life and then he pulled back the curtain aw standing on the small stage was a horribly disfigured man covered in folds of drooping lumpy skin his his right arm was twice as big as the left ending in a massive finn like hand his feet were oversized flat and and wrinkled like an elephants his head was bizarrely distorted and covered in hard tumors. A bony mass protruded retreated from his upper lip and buried behind the swollen. Misshapen brow were a pair of brown eyes gentle bright right and unmistakably human imagine sitting sitting across the desk from your doctor. The splashy x rays in our eyes are clipped up on the wall. The test results are in a manila folder tilted. Just just out of your line of sight. Questions are already forming in your mind. Is it serious. What's my chance of recovery. Will my insurance pay pay for this. Imagine your doctor looking you in the eye and saying we don't know when our bodies fail. We trust doctors to diagnose. What's the problem but medicine isn't always an exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game with life or death stakes stakes. This is medical mysteries apar- cast original. I'm ali and i'm richard. Every tuesday will look at the strangest real your life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them as we follow these high intensity stories will explore medical tickle research that might solve the puzzle next week in part two will analyze all the evidence and try to find an answer you can find episodes this o- of medical mysteries and all other park has two originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts this is our first episode on joseph carrie merrick who became well known as the elephant man in the eighteen eighties this week will explore the development of merrick's baffling and condition and his doctors attempts to diagnose it next week we'll look at his improbable rise to fame in london high society and the research that might have finally explained his illness today according according to the c._d._c. about three percent of all newborns are born with congenital disorders commonly known as birth defects this can include would anything from cleft palates to heart malformations two extra fingers or toes congenital disorders were just as common in the late nineteenth century as they are today but the elephant man symptoms were more extreme than anything his doctors had ever seen from the age of five joseph merrick began to exhibit strange bony growths on his face and skull his feet and right arm grew out of proportion to the rest of his body and his spine was curved curved by severe scoliosis the skin all over his body took on a rough lumpy texture and folds of loose overgrown skin hung down from his head back and chest the condition progressed over the course of his life and by the time he reached adulthood his symptoms were so shocking walking that he couldn't leave the house without causing panic on the streets during joseph's lifetime very little was known about human genetics but his unique set of symptoms helped researchers connect the dots between a few disorders that weren't thought have an underlying cause for the next two you episodes will look at the volving theories about what caused his condition was it caused by trauma. His mother suffered while he was in the womb was was it a combination of skin disorders known as dermatologists and pecci dermott acela and if so how do his bone deformities fit into the picture finally we'll look genetic research from later decades that might explain the root of his symptoms but first. Let's start with the theory. The joseph himself accepted as the truth maternal impression for this. We have to go back to the very beginning in may of eighteen sixty two womb wells travelling menagerie pass through leicester england. The nasseri was a collection of exotic animals giraffes leopards zebras lions and elephants mary jane merrick at twenty five year old. Sunday schoolteacher was in the crowd around watching the animals prey down the street. She was six months pregnant with her first child and so far the pregnancy had gone smoothly. She kept a a hand on her belly dreaming of all the things they would do and see together wants. Her child was born. Suddenly the crowd swelled forward and mary. Mary was pushed into the road. She fell right in the path of the elephants. She looked up to see a pair of thick wrinkled feet stomping toward her she. She scrambled out of the way just in time. As the elephants brushed past she caught her breath and checked herself or injuries. She and her unborn unborn child had made it out just fine three months later on august fifth eighteen sixty two. Mary gave birth to a perfectly healthy baby boy. They named him joseph after his father baby. Joseph was in fine health for the first few years of his life. His first medical scare didn't come until age five when he tripped and fell badly injuring his left hip. The wound became infected before it could heal in flaming the hip bone and causing permanent damage to the joint this made it difficult and painful for the young boy to move move for the rest of his life. Joseph merrick would never be able to walk properly. He could only shuffle across the playground with his cane while the other children ran and played to make matters worse while his hip injury was still barely healing. Mary noticed something strange happening to her son's face. A swollen lump was growing out of his upper lip. At first it was only slightly raised as if he'd fallen down and landed on his face nothing to be too concerned about but as the months progressed it grew into a tumor that ran across his right cheek pressing his upper lip outwards gradually other symptoms started to develop his skin especially on his back and chest became loose is an raf his right arm grew out of proportion as did his feet which were turning into thick shapeless stumps and soon the hard hard lump of flesh on his lip was several inches long resembling rather unfortunately in elephants trunk. Mary's mind went back to the the parade. She'd witnessed while pregnant. The elephant encounter must have scared her so badly. It affected the baby in her womb. Joseph was is marked from before birth by the memory of his mother's fear as bizarre as it sounds. This was actually shirley a common medical theory at the time maternal impression or the idea that a mother's thoughts emotions could affect a developing fetus gained leaned popularity in the middle ages. It was believed that if a woman was particularly sad during pregnancy the child might be born with a predisposition disposition towards depression or other mental illnesses or if a mother was traumatized by a certain animal the baby would be born with resemblance to that animal. This idea was based in folklore more than biology by the late nineteenth century. The theory was already falling out of favor. Says doctors gained a better understanding of genetics but while there's no evidence that specific thoughts our fears like a run in with a circus elephant can cause caused birth defects research does suggest that a mother's lifestyle diet and stress levels can impact fetus's development the body stress response response is regulated by the corticotropin-releasing hormone or c. r. h. This hormone is secreted by the hypothetical news. The part of the brain that regulates most bodily functions during pregnancy cr h is also produced by the placenta which can lead to highly elevated levels of stress hormones hormones in the bloodstream and nineteen ninety-six study by developmental psychologist janet a._d._p. Atro- found that in mothers there's who reported high levels of stress or depression their fetuses exhibited higher heart rates and were less responsive to external stimuli. Both of these factors are associated with an increased risk of anxiety and emotional regulation problems in childhood. This suggests that a mother can in a percents pass on anxiety or depression to their child exposure to stress hormones can also impact organ development according to a two two thousand eight study in developmental psychopathology quote during the last trimester of pregnancy exposure to the stress hormone cortisol is critical goal for the maturation of the cardiovascular system the pulmonary system reno systems and overall fetal growth however there isn't sufficient visteon evidence linking maternal stress to more severe congenital disorders like the symptoms five year old. Joseph merrick was exhibiting. It's also also unlikely that one brief stressful event like a sudden fall during a parade would affect hormone levels enough to harm developing fetus but in the eighteen sixties maternal impression due to the elephant encounter was the best explanation anyone could offer and five year old. Joseph seemed to accept it. He grew into a lonely shy child who spent most of his time reading marian courage his love of learning as a sunday schoolteacher herself. She made sure her son's health. Issues didn't keep him out of class. The family's second child william was born without any medical issues to speak of it appeared that whatever was wrong with joseph at least it didn't run in the family but in eighteen sixty seven the same year. Joseph started showing his symptoms. Mary gave birth to their third child. A daughter named marian records indicate that she he was disabled from birth but the exact nature of her disability isn't clear congenital disorders are often caused by hereditary genetic problems even if both parents appear perfectly healthy they still might be carrying genetic mutations that can be passed down to their children. If joseph and marion rian both had similar symptoms. It's possible that they both inherited the same mutation but it's also possible that the two children's health problems were unrelated. There are many factors that can cause congenital disorders and we don't know enough about marion's disability to suggest that it had anything anything in common with joseph's in spite of his ever worsening health problems joseph's early childhood was mostly happy then in eighteen seventy three another health related tragedy struck. The merrick family joseph's mother. Mary suddenly fell ill and died from bronchial pneumonia. It was devastating for ten year old joseph. It apparently wasn't as is devastating for joseph senior because within two years of his wife's death he had remarried to the families landlady emma would until emma was a widow with two daughters of her own and the new step sisters made joseph's young life miserable by this point joseph's afflictions flick shins had progressed from mildly unusual to downright disturbing the other children never let him forget it. These now like tumor on on his mouth and cheek had grown considerably making it increasingly difficult for him to speak to make matters worse. Another growth was is forming on his forehead and sacks of spongy skin now hung down from the back of his skull a foul odor emanated from the skin growths no matter how often he bathed twelve year old joseph was always the odd one out whether it was at home or at school to add injury three to insult his hip problems made it impossible for him to run away from the bullies just a year after his father's remarriage. Joseph left school at the customary age of thirteen at the insistence of his stepmother. He got a job at a cigar factory to do his part in supporting the family. This job was fine at first it didn't require much walking and he didn't have to interface with the public but by the time he was fifteen his right handed grown so large and heavy that it was impossible for him to roll cigars. He had no choice but to leave his job. However unemployment wasn't an option. The family's finances were tight and joseph stepmother. Emma didn't have any sympathy for his disability more than once m._s._n. Has played down for dinner with a sharp remark that it was more food than he had earned in a misguided guided attempt to keep the peace joseph's father put him to work at the family shop in a role he thought would be well suited to the boy's condition door to door sales. Why joseph senior thought his disabled shockingly deformed son would find success as a traveling salesman is a mystery story for another day but undaunted by the challenge ahead fifteen year old joseph hobbled through the city lugging his father's wears in one hand and and his walking cane and the other he knocked on the door of each residence knowing that any unsuspecting housewife who answered with simply glee scream and slammed the door in his face. If a male homeowner answered the door there was a better chance they might stand and gawk instead of immediately hitler fleeing in fear when this happened joseph launched into his sales pitch but because of the growth on his lip it was nearly impossible possible for anyone to understand what he was saying as he limped through the streets a crowd of spectators would gather around around staring and whispering. He tried to persevere after all he was used to being teased for his appearance but it was impossible to sell his goods kids when he was constantly mobbed on the streets. Joseph was beaten severely by his father. When he came home without meeting his daily sales quota by age sixteen he stopped coming home at all spending whatever money he made on food and cheap lodging houses his his only comfort was a small painted portrait of his mother which he carried with him everywhere she had always encouraged him to be his best even even in spite of his condition if she was watching over him there was nothing he couldn't overcome but positive thinking couldn't change reality -ality living on his own was unsustainable on the monday after christmas in eighteen seventy nine seventeen year old joseph packed his bags eggs and dragged himself through the iron gates of the leicester union workhouse in an effort to combat poverty already the british government set up work houses where unemployed or infirm citizens could perform menial labor for room and board to encourage the poor to find their own jobs instead of relying on the government. The conditions in the work houses were so horrifying that only the most desperate would resort to applying joseph was given a uniform and lead through the drab stone corridors to his dormitory where he'd share a room with as many men men if they could physically fit inside every morning at six a._m. He was woken up for a breakfast of bread and gruel. He'd worked from mm seven in the morning to six at night. Chopping wood or unraveling old pieces of rope after dinner he went back to the dorms and sat down to sleep because of the heavy masses of flesh growing from the back of his skull lying down strained his neck and made it difficult michael to breathe he had to sleep sitting up with his knees pulled up to his chest. His arms wrapped around his legs and his head resting forward forward on his knees. The next morning joseph would wake up from a very uncomfortable night of sleep and get ready for another day of menial work. This was his daily routine for a soul crushing four years. The only bright spot came in eighteen eighty two about halfway through through his stay. The elephant trunk tumor on his lip had grown to eight or nine inches long and he could no longer move his mouth enough to chew so he was taken to the infirmary. The surgeons had no useful advice on what was causing joseph's condition or how to cure it but they were able to remove of nearly four ounces of flesh from his upper lip just enough that he was able to open and close his mouth again and then it was back to the workhouse house for an intelligent educated young man like joseph being locked away for a lifetime of labor was a depressing prospect. He wanted to see the world he wanted to live life but what was there to do if he couldn't walk or talk or roam the streets without causing a panic nick the answer came from a newspaper advertisement sam tours gaiety palace of varieties. The most buzz worthy musical in leicester joseph knew the place well. It was just around the corner from his childhood home for his next big spectacle sam tour was looking for curiosity's novela tease as some would say freaks of nature. Joseph merrick had found the perfect career coming up. The elephant man's steps into the limelight.

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PRINCESS DIANA: Candle in the Wind

Death by Misadventure: True Paranormal Mystery

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PRINCESS DIANA: Candle in the Wind

"Hour episodes do of serious and often distressing incidents. I may not be suitable for children if he struggled with addiction feel depressed or suicidal thoughts. And you need support. Please contact you crisis center or reach out to a friend to ask for help a Sunday morning. Who Study I nine hundred ninety seven three thirty. Am Prince Charles would receive tragic news from the British Embassy? Notifying him his former wife. Princess Diana had been killed in the high speed car crash in Paris. The accident occurred shortly after midnight in a tunnel along the Seine River. And he was told. The princess's Mercedes was being pursued by pepper on motorbikes. When the driver lost control of the car it's pillar and smashed into a wall a companion Dodi Fayed and the chauffeur died at the scene but the princess and her bodyguard had been cut from the wreckage rushed to hospital. The surgeons try desperately for two hours to save a life but Princess. Diana was pronounced dead at three. Am only bodyguard. Trevor Rees Jones had survived the deadly crash. Join US on the supernatural journey as we investigate the shocking death of Princess Diana we examined the mystical facts explore the many conspiracy theories and why some people believe she was murdered. This is death misadventure Lunar Diana Frontiers Spencer was born in the first of July nineteen sixty one under the Zodiac sign of cancer in Park. House Sandringham Norfolk. She was the fourth of five children of John. Spencer viscount healthful and his first wife Francis Spencer family shed a long history with the British royal family. Both of Dinas Grandmothers had served as ladies in waiting to Queen Elizabeth and the Queen Mother. She had three siblings. Sarah Jane and Charles Infant brother. John Tragically died shortly after his birth and one year before dying was born. She grew up in Park House. Situated on the Sandringham Estate Dispenses least the house from Zona Queen Elizabeth the second the Royal Family frequently holidayed at the neighboring Sandringham House and Donna played of print Sandra and Prince Edward as a child despite living in a beautiful castle fit for a princess in an interview dynasty. Wasting her mother crying and an early father who never spoke to the children about family problems. She said it was a very unstable childhood with frequent change of Nannies and lack of communication in the family to make matters worse. Diana was only seven years old when the parents finally divorced. She lived with her mother in London during apparent separation in nineteen sixty seven but over the holidays. Lord El Thorpe refused to let Donna return to London with her mother. Shortly afterward you won custody of diner support from his former mother-in-law soon after a mother began romantic relationship with Peter. Shand kid and married him in nineteen sixty nine in Nineteen seventy-two Lord El Foot. Begun a Romantic Court with rain countess of Dartmouth. They married in Caxtons London. Nineteen seventy six Diana that became known as Lady Diana after her father inherited the title of Spencer in one thousand nine hundred and moved the entire family from parkhouse doubtful to the Spencer seat Northamptonshire when she was only thirteen lady. Diana told her father that one day she would marry someone in the public eye and thought it would possibly be an ambassador. Prediction came true when she turned sixteen and met Prince Charles. Who's dating older sister? The to chemistry and lady. Sarah decided to play matchmaker. The playboy prints younger sister Lady Diana Little Bitchy Know. Their love story would have deadly consequences The relationship quickly progressed when Prince. Charles invited Diana for a sailing weekend aboard the Royal Yacht. This followed by an invitation to bow moral to meet his family one weekend in November nineteen eighty lady. Diana was well received by the Queen. The Queen Mother and Prince Philip however some believe the royal marriage was not forged out of love but due to pressure from his father. Prince Philip who reportedly demanded he married Lady Diana and into his love affair with his mistress. Camilla Parker Bowles immediately. The prince understood the royal expectations of him and proposed Diana on February Sixth Nineteen eighty-one and she happily accepted but strains around the relationship immediate and doubts lingered on both sides before the to even walk down the aisle on the surface. The couple look like a match made in heaven because they were both water signs Princess Diana Zodiac sign is a cancer and Prince Charles. An Elusive Scorpio. It's believed that Diana wanted to call off the engagement because she thought that Prince Charles was still in love with his mistress Camilla. It appears he had doubts also but felt powerless to do anything and complained to friends about the situation as being permanently between the devil and the deep blue sea. He was alarmed by her irrational mood. Swings and temper and founder difficult to deal with but the royal couple push through doubts aside and they tied the Knot on July twenty ninth nine thousand nine hundred eighty one. It was the wedding of the century with over seven hundred and fifty million people watching on television from around the world The royal newlyweds quickly settled into their marriage and on November fifth nineteen eighty-one almost four months after their wedding Buckingham Palace announced. Princess Diana's first pregnancy Prince William was born on June twenty first nineteen eighty-two under the Zodiac sign of cancer the same as his mother Princess Diana later told the media that she had felt the whole country was in labor with her biographer Andrew. Morton claimed when she became pregnant a second time with Prince Harry. The prince's kept the sex of the baby secret. She was concerned that Charles might be disappointed. They were having another boy when he told her he'd hoped the baby would be a girl. The royal couple soon learned after having two children that they had very different parenting styles. Princess Diana was warm and affectionate and Prince. Charles was more hands off. She wanted to raise William and Harry on her own terms and the world loved her for it. Typically other royals leave their children with a nanny but not Princess Diana. She brought William with her and Prince Charles on a tour of Australia and New Zealand. After Harry's birth she continued to make her two little boys a priority and would often reschedule her duties to spend more time with them. She loved being a mother wanted her children to know how important they were to her. One of Princess Diana's most redeeming qualities was her kind and compassionate soul. She was dedicated to many charities and shared her passion for helping others. With William. And Harry speaking to Martin Bashir for the BBC's Panorama in nineteen ninety-five. Diana described. How she had taken William and Harry to meet people dying of AIDS. Although she told them it was cancer when asked about her motivation to include her sons in her charity. Work Princess Diana said I want them to have an understanding of people's emotions insecurities distress hopes and dreams. She wanted a monarchy that had a deeper connection with its people. Unfortunately the two boys do not bring the royal couple closer together. Prince Charles believed he could learn to love his wife but in the end couldn't get over his axe and continued his affair with Camilla. Of course Princess Diana was devastated and decided to take a lover herself. She didn't stray too far from home. And in nineteen eighty five. The princess fell for her bodyguard and later she began a Torrid affair with James Hewitt a British army officer from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety one Hewitt a polo player had met Diana at a party in Nineteen eighty-six and offered to help her get over her fear of horses but the riding lessons soon turned into a secret romance but the affair with Hewitt led to complications and embarrassment for the family. Rumors circulated claiming James Hewitt was the real father of Prince. Harry because the eerily looks so similar but it was impossible because Princess Diana met Hewitt a few years after Harry was born the royal couple later separated in one thousand nine hundred eighty two after the queen learned of both Prince. Charles and Princess Diana's infidelity and ordered them to immediately separate. The storybook romance was over and the princess was finally free to pursue her romantic interests. Openly to the media's delight her next lover was Oliver Hoare a handsome art dealer. Who happened to be married her bodyguard. Ken wharfe claimed he wants found her new boyfriend. Semi-naked behind a potted plant in Kensington Palace holding a cigar when he decided to end the affair to save his marriage. The Sun newspaper reports Diana began bombarding his home with hundreds of phone calls. This became public in Nineteen ninety-four with headline screaming dies. Cranky calls to marry tycoon in August. Ninety six the queen urged the Prince and princess to finalize their divorce. In the in Princess Diana received a generous that included a lump sum of seventeen million pounds as well as four hundred thousand pounds per year. She also retain the right to her apartment at Kensington Palace. And the title Princess of Wales in return. She agreed to relinquish the title of Her Royal Highness and any future claims to the British throne although she would always remain a queen in people's hearts during this difficult period Diana would meet another man who would capture her attention Pakistani British heart surgeon. Dr Haass Narcan. She nicknamed him Mr Wonderful and the two quickly fell in love. They dated for over two years and Diana even visited cons family in Pakistan and hoped she would marry him one day however she would be sadly disappointed and the relationship would end in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven the split left Diana heartbroken and would soon lead her to deadly romance with Doty Fed. Princess Diana would grace the July nineteen ninety-seven cover Vanity Fair magazine. The issue focused on how she was coping with the divorce and attempting to rebuild her life after leaving Prince Charles on July first nineteen ninety seven she would celebrator thirty six birthday in Grand Style and attend the one hundredth anniversary celebration of take gallery in London. According to author Tina Brown for Special Day was a memorable one for her. She received ninety bouquets of flowers and Prince. Harry gathered a group of classmates to sing happy birthday tour over the telephone always a light that shines bright. Princess Diana was born with the life path number seven under the sign of domestic for mystics. The world is expansive and magical but undoubtedly connected number seven possessing unique frame of mind and intuitively make choices life. They answer to a higher power that moves every action and decision toward the accomplishment of a greater plan. This was certainly the case for Diana who did not excel academically at school but who later in life was known for her amazing charity. Work and fearless champion of those. Who needed help such as landmine AIDS victims? She was the people's Princess however one of the biggest challenges she faced in life was how to control her emotions and desires. What is often forgotten is that Diana was also a paradox. Under the beautiful poised image she presented to the world she also struggled with depression and deep insecurities shortly after her birthday. She took Prince William and Harry on vacation to Santro pay to join her boyfriend Egyptian producer. Dodi fi in on an amazing beach. Holiday Dodi's father Mohamed. Al Fayed Ed. A billionaire owner London's fabled Harrods department store the Hotel Ritz and Paris and enjoyed eleven luxurious homes around the world that included a thirty room villa. Where Princess Diana vacation with her two boys that summer no doubt the princess was smitten with her new man. Not only was doty handsome. But he was as successful movie producer. His films included the Nineteen eighty-one Oscar winning chariots of fire the world according to Garp fx and hook the couple enjoyed a whirlwind romance. And Diana would return to the villa's several more times that's summer to visually. However what she didn't know was dody was also holiday with his American Fiance Kelly Fisher a Calvin Klein model. Dodie was sleeping with Kelly. On one of the Fed boats while Corn Diana on another one hundred fifty foot luxury yacht Mohammed had bought specifically to entertain the princess on August twenty eighth. Don't take on a final two day romantic getaway in Sardinia. The Telegraph stated. This Day was in especially important one for Diana because exactly one year earlier. She had finalized her divorce from Prince. Charles the following evening Dodie Diana celebrated with a barbecue on the beach according to their butler. Renee this was one of the most romantic nights of their summer together on August thirtieth the to flew to Paris but close friends stated that Diana had been reluctant to go and actually had wanted to go straight home to see her sons. Her summer with dody was coming to a bitter sweet end but he had insisted on one more evening together in Paris it would be a deadly mistake for both as soon as Diana and cut into their limousine at the airport. They were chased by Paparazzi on motorbikes. Tony was upset by this and instructed. His chauffeur to drive even faster to try to lose them when the couple arrived at the hotel Diana left. Where hair appointment and Dodie shopped at a local jeweler to look at engagement rings. He emerged with only a brochure but he had arranged for the purchase of what would later become a controversial gold and diamond ring had he planned to propose or was it just a token of his affection. The two later met up at the Ritz and both rested in the hotel's imperial. Sweep before heading out to. Dodi's apartment to get dressed for dinner. Diana called her two boys to say good night before she left that fateful evening she told him how much she loved him and was looking forward to seeing them. The following day Diana and Dodi left his apartment around seven PM the first restaurant. They went to was besieged by photographers. So they turned around and headed for the Ritz to eat dinner instead. They ordered food but Diana was clearly upset. Fellow diners reported that they saw her crying as she ordered before they headed to the imperial suite for their final meal to be served. Cctv later captured. Doty emerging around midnight from the sweet and talking to his bodyguards. He told him that he had told is the plan to evade the Paparazzi. When they left the hotel it was in this conversation. That his Diana's fates or sealed doty's plan was to leave the Ritz with Diana by the rear entrance. The Telegraph reported that he had asked staff to around another Mercedes which he told the bodyguards would be driven. By Henri Paul. The bodyguards roles would be to create a diversion by taking the two limousines from the Front of the hotel both strongly objected to the idea of Diana being allowed to leave the hotel without security Dodie. Immediately shut them down stating his father had approved it at twelve eighteen. Am CCTV captured. A black Mercedes yearly appearing at the back of the rids the images of Diana dody and Henri Paul or shown getting into the car and because of the bodyguards objections. Dodie had agreed to take Trevor Rees Jones. The Mercedes quickly drove off into the night and sped along the streets of Paris at sixty five miles per hour but photographers were hot on their tail. Less than five minutes later. The driver Henri Paul would lose control of the Mercedes at the entrance of the tunnel striking the right hand wall before swerving and colliding head on with the thirteenth pillar that supported the roof with Diana trapped in the car the photographers who had been some distance behind the Mercedes reached the scene some rush to help and try to open the door for the victims while some of them took pictures to Americans. Visiting Paris heard the crash and ran to the scene. Joanna loose and Tom. Richardson told CNN. They were walking along the sane when they heard a bang and squealing tires under the bridge. The couple described the car as a dark blue. Mercedes with the passenger side. Airbag deployed facing oncoming traffic. They stated at least one cameraman was chasing. The car and professional photographer was on the scene. Less than fifteen seconds after the crash early calls to British newspapers that morning found no reporters were assigned to follow Diana in Paris however CNN. Paris bureau chief. Jim Bittermann said that one impey unusual the British papers often relied on freelancers. Who are willing to go to great lengths to get an exclusive photograph of the princess. Had the photographers chasing. Princess Diana inadvertently caused her deadly crash. Or was there perhaps a more sinister motive? The funeral of Princess Diana was held on September six nineteen ninety-seven and London. Dark cloud swept over the city and the crowd swept as her coffin was carried from the palace on a gun carriage along Hyde Park to Saint James Palace where Princess Diana's body would remain for five days before being taken to Kensington Palace. The official ceremony was held at Westminster Abbey in London and at Saint James Palace Prince Philip. Prince. Charles her two boys and her brother. Charles join Princess Diana one last time an escort or to her final resting place and Al Thorpe. More than one million people lined the streets of London that day and flowers rained down onto the procession from bystanders. Over two billion people traced. Princess Diana's funeral worldwide. Making it one of the most watched events in history During Princess Diana's Service Elton. John Sang Candle in the wind which had been rewritten. In tribute. To the Beautiful Princess. Her brother gave an emotional eulogy in which he criticized both the royal family and the press for their treatment of his beloved sister in his mind he had held them partially responsible for her death. The burial was held later that day Prince Charles Prince William and Harry. Her mother siblings and a close friend said their final goodbyes. Her grave is now located on an island within the ground. Savell Thorpe Park the Spencer family home for centuries a path with thirty six oak trees marking each year of her life. Leads to her final resting. Place Four Black Swan swim in the lake in the water their water lilies which in addition to white roses which were. Princess Diana's favorite flowers at the ceremony the royal standard which had covered the coffin was removed by. Diana's brother moments before she was buried and replaced with the Spencer family flag. The Earl claimed that she is Spencer. Now Prince Charles William and Harry. The change the spencers family decision to bury the princes in the secluded and private location has enabled them to visit her grave and mourn in private for Princess Diana her royal marriage to Prince Charles may not have had a happy ending but it did create two Beautiful Boys William and Harry in her death. She helped a monarch change and cemented a special place in everyone's heart forever after. Princess Diana's tragic car crash. The police detained several Paparazzi for questioning and seven photographers. Were taken into custody. However there are numerous conspiracy theories that surround. Princess Diana's mysterious death including her own. Personal fear are premonition. She would die in a car accident. She was once quoted as saying. I'm a free spirit. Some don't like that but that's who I am over the years. Her untimely death spawned a web of some pretty incredible stories and many believe it was because of her outspokenness and desire to be independent ultimately led to her shocking death. One of the most troubling accusations is she believed the royal monarchy wanted to silence her and she would die by the hands of her former husband. Prince Charles could it be true or was she just paranoid in a handwritten note? Princess? Diana made a wild claim that Prince Charles was plotting to kill her so he could marry their sons former nanny. This information was later revealed at the inquest into her death. The note was sent a Paul Burrell her Butler in October. Nineteen ninety-three ten months after her separation from Prince. Charles was announced she wrote. I am sitting here at my desk today in October. Longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high. This phase in my life is the most dangerous. My husband is planning an accident in my car. Brake failure in serious head injury to make the path clear for him to marry tiggy. Camilla is nothing but a decoy. So we are all being used by the man. In every sense of the word Princess Diana was always known to be incredibly intuitive and she became increasingly frightened after the death of her former bodyguard in a previous interview Princess Diana talked about her affair with her beloved bodyguard and she described Tim as the greatest love had. After the affair was discovered he was removed from Royal Protection. Duty and later died under suspicious circumstances. She was quoted as saying in the taped interview. I think he was bumped off another while conspiracy theory fuelled by Muhammad Faez. The father of the prince's boyfriend he claims the couple were killed by M sixteen on the orders of Prince Philip to prevent them from marrying and having a Muslim baby but one of the most compelling conspiracy theories surrounding the mysterious car crash was the infamous white Fiat and a photographer named change and Incen-. The police report states. Diana's Mercedes had swiped a white Fiat before the crash which left faint traces. A pain on the car extensive attempts by the French police define the mysterious vehicle proved unsuccessful however in July two thousand five Mohamed Al-Fayed alleged in a statement to the police that he believes the white Fiat was used by M sixteen to cause the Mercedes. The princess was traveling in to swerve and crash into the side of the tunnel. All fired further alleged that the white Fiat was owned by a French photo journalist named James and Incen- a security services agent according to head who had photographed Princess Diana while she was at his villa in Santro. Pay In July nineteen ninety-seven just one month before her death. However French police concluded it was unlikely. End Since Kerr was the white Fiat used in the Paris crash. Due to the cars condition and the fact. He didn't hide the information that he sold the car. But this is where the story takes a turn for the weird and Johnson died in. May Two thousand less than three years. After Princess Diana's death the official verdict was suicide. His body was found in a black burnt-out. Bmw in a forest in the south of France. The police claimed his death was attributed to personal problems in his private life but his family disagrees. The report states that when they found the car his body lay slumped in the driver's seat and his head was detached and lay between the front seats. There was a hole in his left temple. Although the French pathologist concluded the intense heat of the fire caused the whole instead of being a gunshot wound many people find it hard to believe the police report stating that and Anson intentionally poured gasoline? All over the inside of his car lit a cigar and set himself on fire in a locked car his widow Elizabeth and their son James have rejected the idea that his death was a suicide. The family has pressed French officials to conduct a murder investigation into his death. Four hundred miles from his home noting that he was high spirits over his new job with an agency but they have refused to investigate the case. over twenty years later questions remain about what happened the night of Princess Diana's accident and many have asked could she have been saved we know based on previous reports that doty all fed and Henri Paul? The driver of the car were both killed instantly on the night of the crash. However Princess Diana was conscious and per several witnesses at the scene. She did not appear to be seriously hurt. Cbs and several other media outlets speculated. Princess Diana could have been saved if she had been rushed to the hospital immediately but the French at the time had a different emergency system. They first tried to stabilize the princess at the crash scene before transporting her to the hospital. According to the forty page French accident report at twelve. Thirty Two am on August thirty first. Nineteen ninety seven. Rescue workers arrived at the scene to find Princess Diana conscious but agitated at twelve. Forty five am a French doctor. Arrives not initially recognizing the extent of her injuries. They gave her a combination of drugs. That calmed her down but is also known some times to cause heart and respiratory problems when emergency workers asked to take Diana to a hospital just four miles away. It took another ten minutes for the hospital to agree. It is now one twenty nine. Am even more time is lost when the doctor orders the ambulance to drive? Slowly for the fear of aggravating. Princess Diana's condition the result. She doesn't arrive at the hospital until two oh six. Am nearly two hours after the accident? Sadly the princess was pronounced dead at three. Am afterward no official from the French. Emergency System would comment on. Princess Diana's treatment for the accident report but in two thousand five years after her accident. The French emergency guidelines were changed today a patient with the same unstable blood pressure. As Princess Diana would be immediately rushed to a hospital for Prince William and Prince Harry. There's still haunted by their mother's death. And it is a wound that continues to fester and the two thousand seventeen documentary Diana our mother her life and legacy see they talk about their final phone conversation with the princess and the role that the Paparazzi played in her death. Although her two boys may be leading very different lives right now. They will always be united by the love and respect. They have for their mother as William Prepares for his future role as king his brother. Harry has chosen to step back from royal life. This action was fueled by a desire to avoid history repeating itself and to protect his wife. Megan and his son Archie from the prying eyes of the media from the time of her engagement to the Prince of Wells Nineteen eighty-one until tragic death offer a car accident in Nineteen ninety-seven Princess. Diana remains one of those famous and loved women in the world. When Princess Diana's younger brother Charles? The Ninth Earl. Spencer delivered his unforgettable Eulogy At her funeral in Westminster Abbey on September eighth ninety seven four moment the world silently and listened as a brother remembered his beloved sister his words trade the essence and true spirit of princess who captured the world's heart with a beauty. And Grace I stand before you today. The representative of a family in grief in a country in mourning before a world in shock. We are all united. No our desire to pay respects Diana but rather in our need to do so for such was the extraordinary appeal that the tens of millions of people taking part in this service all over the world television and radio who never actually met to fill that they to lost someone close to them. In the early hours of Sunday morning it is the more marketable tribute to Diana and I can ever hope to offer her today. Diana was the very essence of compassion of duty of style of beauty. All over the world she was a symbol of selfless humanity. All over the world. A standard bearer for the rights of the truly downtrodden a very British bill transcended nationality someone with a natural nobility who was classless and approved in the last year that she needed no royal title to continue to generate particular brand of magic. Today is our chance to say. Thank you for the way you brightened our lives. Even though God granted you but half a life we will all fill cheated. Always that you were taken from us so young and yet we must learn to be grateful. You came along a tool only now that you're gone. Do we truly appreciate what we are now and we want you to know that life without you is very very difficult. There's no doubt that Diana was looking for a new direction in their life. At this time she talked endlessly of getting away from England mainly because of the treatment that she received at the hands of the newspapers don't think she ever understood. Why genuinely good intentions were sneered at? By the media why they're paid to be a permanent quest on their behalf to bring down it is baffling my own and only explanation is that genuine. Goodness is threatening to those at the opposite end of the moral spectrum. It is a point to remember the be ironies about Diana paps. The greatest was this ago. Given the name of the goddess of hunting was in the end the most hundred person of the modern age chewed want us today to pledge ourselves protecting her beloved boys William and Harry from a similar fate. And I do this here. Diner on your behalf. We will not allow them to suffer the anguish. That used regularly to drive you to tearful despair would like to end by thanking God for the small mercies he has shown us at this dreadful time for taking Diana at her most beautiful and radiant and when she had joined private life above all we give thanks for the life of a woman. I am so proud to be able to cool my sister. The unique the complex. The extraordinary they replaceable. Diana beauty both internal and external will never be extinguished from our minds. Princess Diana Song may have ended but words and melody link is on Our show notes along with links to the news articles and interviews. We used in researching and writing. This episode are available on our website at death by misadventure DOT CO DOT UK. The show's house included. The talented Eduardo. Fahey in London England. Tom Dray in Long Beach. California and myself I'm Tracy Nova also based in L. BC. This podcast was recorded at sky. Wave Studios in Hollywood by sound engineer. Edwin Arzu and produced by cosmic media a special thanks to Christopher laying our audio producer in Tucson Arizona. Who helps bring each episode to life? Kudos to Paulina of planet. She's responsible for the design of our super bowl website. Don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at death by misadventure podcast this has been death by misadventure. Thanks for listening.

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SQUAD | All-Decade

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SQUAD | All-Decade

"No dunks is brought to you by game. Time your go-to APP for the best deals on last minute tickets. All say louder for those in the back. Gametime is your new the GO-TO APP for the best deals on last minute tickets did you know. NBA ticket prices tend to drop right before the game starts gametime tracks prices in real time from thousands dozens of trusted sellers. Then shows you all the best last minute deals with prices up to sixty percent off more than twelve million have downloaded the game map and discover the fastest easiest way to get into the game but not just the game also music tickets and everything else. Your heart desires. The APP is simple. Quick and easy to navigate so head on over to the APP store or play store to download gametime score awesome deals on last minute tickets. Welcome to the no dunks podcast series squad ride the show where we draft teams like NBA general managers the catch data very very specific draft pool. Were working from. I'm Jay Skis here. In the war room with task trae and Lee and joining us live from Canada. Making the magic happens. Jd Hello Subject. He has everybody doing everybody. Ready for this. Yeah Man Conway our second episode episode of squad guys. I was looking at the calendar earlier today and believe it or not. We're like six and a half weeks from saying goodbye to two thousand nineteen and starting up a brand in new decade unbelievable. It's wild time man is at a construct. I don't know crazy. I believe it is but I've bought into it and during in the summer when that clock hit zero in game six of the NBA Finals and the Toronto Raptors shocked the world that twenty tens era of NBA basketball officially came to a close. And that's what we're drafting today on squad we're closing that thrilling chapter in NBA history and selecting being are all decade. T closed that loop going to be great here. We got five different categories or positions over. You want to call it to draft from. We're going to tackle each of these one round at a time in the first round guys were drafting. Our guard are all decade. Guard in the second round will be drafting forward in the third round will be drafting center. Good luck with that round. It's a little more difficult there in the fourth round will be drafting. What we're calling the role player? The only only real rule to this one is you can't draft a player who has ever made an all star team or was an all. NBA Selection all right. That's the role player and finally our fifth. It's and final round. It'll be the wild card. You can go wherever you want with this. You could draft funny player from the decade memorable player from the decade personal favourite. Maybe maybe you're looking to actually flush out your roster you know maybe you need some scoring k. Maybe you need some defense. It's up to you. It's the wild card. It's your call. Get creative with it. This draft as always will be held via no dumps rules. What does that mean falls? Count anywhere and all of us will get a crack at the number one pick in one of the five routes ads for the specific rules pertaining to this all decade edition of squad. We're looking at the previous ten. NBA Seasons starting with the two thousand nine ten season. All the way through to lassie's two thousand eighteen nineteen now that does not mean. You can't draft someone who played prior to that but you gotTA keep in mind. You're only only getting that players. Last ten years their accolades their skill set their style of play would up K so just for example for other listeners out there can be a little confusing music. You can technically draft Kobe Bryant right but you would only beginning his last seven seasons of his career so in that case you would only get one Kobe. Titles the last one in the tenure. And you're not getting those very successful thirteen. Your products won't get now but you can do that if you want to. Guys draft hard word draft safe. Now let the beat. The picks and remember that the listeners will ultimately decide who has the best squad so we determined the draft order earlier this week and task my man. You're up with the number one overall pick and we're drafting our guards. The pressure is alleviated. Because I've got an easy election. What's the number one? Pick back in the guard round. I'm selecting Steph Curry of the Golden State Warriors. Okay I thought you might. Well if I was Lee. Ellis I might try and and get cute. Is Lebron Guard guard. He's a forward. And that would be my only other guy that I would ponder in this scenario otherwise wise steps decade and. I do believe when we look back on steps career that he's going to be higher in the all time rankings than he is currently. He's not even really early discussed amongst the top point guards ever which is bonkers he. I guess he is sort of. On the periphery but not as the greatest point guard. Ever at all by anyone you want. And that's going to change as we look back at what he did in this decade three rings to. MVP's the All Shebang change the game changed the game big time so I'm pretty happy with the first pick. Yeah you gotta like to get the first pick in the guard category. I believe Steph curry was it's probably a consensus number one. I haven't seen your draft board various but a smart pick a wise man. Yeah as Koya guard no no no. Let's not get that. You played it perfectly. You took curry. There's GonNa later on. There's GonNa be debates the chorus. There's more of a debate between a big. Is He power forward or center. Okay I get you on the Lebron thing. Yeah is he a guard is he a point guard. He plays as the position. But he plays centers. Well Steph. Curry is off the off the board of course of course you can't take once a player is selected elected. It's not like somebody else can pick him later. Carter some stupid like Steph. Curry is gone Lee. You have the second pick in the guard category The second pick in the God category. I'm going with a guy who's had a very successful decade crazy won the MVP MVP award once and he's finished second he doesn't want to drag this guy doesn't want to drag. You can tell you can tell you can tell but I'm taking James Harden goes for this draft. It would make no sense to not take him with the second pick. He's had a fantastic decade seven. All Star six all. Mba's the scoring is just pain. INCREDIBLE RUNNER-UP MVP. As I said three times could've easily picked up one or two more of those. Who are you wondering? Well to be honest I I looked into Westbrook of course Chris Paul without because I looked at Kawhi Leonard on basketball reference does he Kansas. God No of course not but really it was. It was pretty much much down to Westbrook. dwayne Wade is in their two years in the mix because he wanna championship where you want to championship. I should say but I you know for what we're driving here. Ah I think James Harden has had a bigger decade wide obviously the last couple of years while the only retired losses and he hasn't been impactful foreplay for probably three seasons. Now five through fifteen. Maybe you go dwayne Wade over James Harden but nine through nineteen. Now you would have. I've got killed by twitter James to train I we're talking about a few days ago was dropping. Yeah we were like we'll take the biggest thing you gotta take the best player avail absolutely absolutely for this draft you can train them later or take the best players and as well thinking about how the fans are GonNa vote on it. Just GonNa look at the numbers and so James Harden. He's going to be very tough to shake from that number. Two spot people out there already crunching the numbers. Who's got the best team? I love it. Korean hardin okay. Gone now is does get a little more interesting. I think trey got the third well spice here no doubt about it Because it does like. You're saying Korean. Harden are the number one and two guards in the decade and then after that. It's like who you going with Westbrook. Kobe and Wade or on my list. And I'm going with Dwayne Wade. Oh Wow you know. You're getting the defense you're getting Wade. We still good at the turn of the decade through fourteen. He's not GonNa be my star player. Guys look other things around here. I've got bought this through I would rather have Dwyane Wade on my team than Kobe Bryant. I'm sure that will get me killed. But Koby Koby was further past his prime than Dwayne Wade won the decade started. So you're still getting good. Wait at the beginning of the decade. And then he definitely fell off but it took a couple of years as with however with Kobe was he fell off sooner and then he was hurt earlier and then he was gone faster. If you were taken can two thousand. GimMe Kobe right now. I'll go away. Oh my goodness yeah. I actually don't think I mean who knows pick after me feeling. Kobe actually doesn't get drafted because of as we were talking about Kobe. Good point good point. I am not taking Kobe. It is down to with weight off the board. It's down to three guards for me. It is Westbrook. Chris Paul and I would throw a little shoutout to Damian Siemian Lillard in there as well. I'M NOT GONNA go lillard. So take him out of consideration. Wow Wow westbrook just has the monster of course numbers. I the accolades eight-time all-star e time all MBA won the MVP on a forty seven win team of course set in the triple doubles plays hard in the All star Dr Games for crying out loud. MVP that's the All Star game and he averaged twenty four nine and seven over. The decades led the League in scoring twice insist twice but cripple the defense crispell like he was like the premier point for the first half of the twenty tents. Like unless. Plus you were Darren Williams fan in the prior decade. But I'm going to go Russell Westbrook. I'm growing Russell Westbrook here like I said the numbers I just gave you is pretty. I mean the guy was not all that far off from averaging a triple double for the damp decade And Yeah he's just he's just a monster. Russell Westbrook gone. GD You got the fifth and final. Pick of the guards all right. Let's see our. Did you have anyone in mind. That's got selected their note. No Top guy is still available and I should let you guys know that You know basketball's the ball's not my strongest thing. And I'm just approaching this. I just want to have a good time. You know like I wanNA play Bass I love and I want to be good at basketball people but really. I'm very interested in having a good time off the court so I am taking a five-time all-star three time NBA Champ two time All NBA one of the best shooters in the League and God. This guy knows have a good time and the off-season Klay Thompson. Yeah I was hoping he would still be there. Come Wild Eddie hunting for a while. Yep Yep I'm just going to remove him right but Klay Thompson over over over your Chris. Paul's here Lillard and covert. Yeah it's like just we talked about. Jd You're right. You said you know obviously a die hard. NBA Fan there was talks. It's like you just sit this episode of squad maybe doesn't drop I think that's what makes an interesting guy coming in from a different angle and that's a fine pick. I took off the board. I'm the fly in the ointment guys. Yeah that's right you really mucking things up alrea. Okay so those are the words. Let's keep it going here. Let's move over to the forward category and Lee of the honour of drafting. I wonder what this one here go. I from Cleveland. Pick number one in the draft Anthony Bennett. Obviously it's Lebron. There's no need for the player of the decade second greatest play we've had Ever in this league three time. MVP three-time finalists three time champ champ three time finals MVP do I need to really list off. His accolades not really work with James Harden Chemistry to team. Finally yes I think Hardiman. Lebron will work together so yet really didn't have to think about that. One Adult Lebron James Lebron first pick in the forward category very trae number two number two pick also pretty easy. I'm going with Kevin Durant which is one hundred percent of the reason why I'm happy. Taking Dwayne were weighed with the number three pick in the first round weighed in the two thousand ten was used to be in the number two guy. Now he's the number two guy for Kevin Durant who won four scoring titles two titles us and to finals. MVP's during the decade he did get hurt for the season and the very last game of the decade but has just one game out of ten years. Boys Gimme Kevin Durant. Lebron keep those guys were always going to in this category. Now now maybe a little more interesting with my pick. I got the third pick here Okay let me ask. Is Anthony Davis now forward or center. Does he count for both seeing as when you look at his minutes from basketball reference guy basically does play over his career over the declaration sort of fifty fifty pretty close. Let's say counts for both once. He's off the board. Lord is off the board. Yeah okay okay. That's fair so for me. It's it's either. Anthony Davis Arts Quiet Leonard as those are the only two guys of course has come on late in the decade and already wanted. MVP Within the decade. But I think I have just a little tad behind because again we're not trying to sort of like look for the the future by any means it's the past decade. I will go with Kawhi Leonard. I almost have to what he did for me. This decade decade coming into the Toronto Raptors and taking them to a title in the one thousand nine hundred and season but maybe the argument to be made the greatest player of the decade. It's it's a possibility you can make the argument three-time all-star three time NBA two time champ to type finals. MVP did it with a two different teams for crying out loud five time all defensive selections and then the two time defensive player of the year and yeah when you look at his averages averages let's say from the decade they're not GonNa blow you away he was in the Spurs system obviously started. His career wasn't putting up monster numbers. So you average like all over the decade the only average like something like seventeen points per game but in a playoff series in a one game when our teams are battling each other here and the people have to decide. Who's the better team? I'm going to want to try and slow Lebron which he has done before in the finals. You know try and slow Akini Leonard Third. Pick off the board. Jd You have the fourth pick in the forward category category. That's interesting because I was not expecting you. Honest to be on the board still okay okay but Jaanus three-time all-star three time all NBA last MVP obviously loves a good smoothie. How this guy whatever I thinking of off the court is what I'm going with the six time I am all star five time all all MBA? He was the two thousand ten eleven rookie of the year and he's a stand up comedian in his spare time Blake Griffin Wa Watson Pick. What a shock you're right? He had some accolades in the decade. Young Blake Duncan on fools like that. Nice pick. Jd Nice pick through for a loop there once again task at the final pick in the forward category big names James. I mean obviously still name hones- they're still available birth. Okay Sweet Sweet Daddy. He's back the first half of the decade free Ennis's basically nothing. Let's be honest here. Someone called him overrated in Twenty Fifth Eh. When he came off at twelve point season in his second season literally those first five seasons he wasn't great so and he didn't exist He wasn't great when he was selling trinkets in Greece. Yiannis is off my board. There's a better forwards out there. Paul George is even more of an accomplished guy. lamarcus Marcus Aldridge Mormon accomplish guide. Yep How about first ballot hall of Famer Carmelo Anthony Not taking him. I need a little defense. I need a little offense and and not having the plow success doesn't matter to me when I'm taken Anthony Davis with the final. Look he was either going with this last pick in the forwards or I assume he was going with the first pick in the center so lawsuit seeking guarantees. Nice discuss their tasks okay. AD everybody's call that again. He's played over the decade. It's really close to fifty fifty where he plays minutes. And that's you You know I'm Gonna I'M GONNA keep my eye on your team how you're going to build the rest of your team because we know he doesn't WanNa play center so I guess you're GonNa have to draft a center so maybe this works out a wealthy all right. Anthony Davis are the last pick of the all decade forwards to the third round. Gets a little more difficult to truly these center. Category tray of the number one pick. I do have the number one pick for the worst round that you can have the number one thing that might. AP because you look at it and there's been some decent centers but it was basically. Dwight was the only good center at the beginning of the decade. And then we got some good centers some some really good centers towards the end when towns and bead Yokich those guys came in and It was suddenly felt. Like why did we actually get rid of the center for the All Star but I did for a reason right so for me. It's honestly I've spent uh about twenty four forty eight hours talking myself into picking Dwight Howard. 'cause he was dominant at the beginning of lutely and then he was a disaster for the middle part of the decade. And now apparently he's going to be back but you don't get nineteen twenty eight the last thing. You're quite Howard on is the wizards. I really like that but I tell you something you get a lot of jokes. That's what I was GONNA say. Do Man I know Afar Lee has said many times is always funny hidden to draft some good chemistry guys like Kevin Durant who I have dwight canopy handed because we do. We do the fresh memories of the most recent memories but prior to that I mean it was an absolute of All Star game all MBA defensive defensive player of the year. It's very rare to get a guy who was big nine ten years out of this so you have to try to hope that those four or five years were really really really good if he had a couple of stink in that. You're not you're not wrong because like you said like of. It's it's a weird category because there are not many guys at the center position really did dominate it for the whole sort of ten season. It's like just like Dwight's one of them. It's Anthony Davis okay. Okay if you consider him as a center of course we would lamarcus Aldridge I guess sort of same thing as he afforded center but De'andre Jordan then is like a guy that had uh-huh pretty good decade in terms of just numbers at the center position. Okay I got the second pick as I talk that all out This is tough. This is tough because one of those guys. The yokich four seasons played in the decade average sixteen ten and five pounds owns four seasons played in the decade only missed five total games to over that period. He's twenty two and twelve embiid. Even less three seasons he played like one hundred sixty games or something like that in the decade. That doesn't seem like enough even though he's at twenty four eleven and three guy. Which is why I'm going you? You know what I'm GonNa crack open a bottle of wine. Causal it I know the tables have turned. GD Yes I am drafting Mark Ghazal as my center I am basically building the raptors here. The pair him with Kawhi three-time all-star in the decade to time all MBA defensive player of the year early in the decade thousand twelve thirteen. and then and then he caps off he caps off the decade with a title they're instrumental in the raptors title. Coming going over to that team. So I'm going Marcus all at the Senate over POW even kind of some bad true true true. Yeah Man. I'm high on defense. uh-huh him Marcus. All gone third. Pick Jaydee upset you there without one you really did really did. Did I only had two people on my list and it was weight and Mark Assault but I do love to bowl so the Andrew bynum still available. Wow ooh I actually hating my team right now and I'm loving JD. especially if he goes by the way we do have to play basketball games. I was trying to think like Bynoe Lane like three years in the decade. Didn't need the one time ulcer yet I'm going to go with someone who's closer to my age and I would have a chance chance at beating swim race. GimMe Tim Duncan Oh hey that's a good one. Yeah only seven seasons but he was productive all talk right up to the end. Yeah yeah that's that's a good pick only seven seasons. Is that what you said. Yeah that makes sense but he just never seemed to you you know. Drop off at all really still might all star teams all defensive teams. He was great. That's what we're with this position. You're sort of looking at you. Don't need the the sexy flashy numbers. I'm just looking for that rock back there. I can play defense. Moved the ball a little bit just to be a locker room presence. Yeah you're getting that great locker room presence and also JD. Tim Duncan's brother was a cameraman on survivor. For Season Seasons in season. Looking off the court you better hit those islands. That's a great call. Eighty also quietly hilarious guy very very dry sense of humour. Every time we interviewed him he was great so all right. Tim Duncan is gone. TASSIE got the fourth pick in the center categories. Gorey's Oh I'm gonNA hearken back to the early part of the decade. When I loved watching this guy play? He was a magnificent player. You know when he played a game was just a little bit more beautiful. I'm taking POW aghast. How both the true finals? MVP in two thousand ten am in. Kobe works a magic that season and and The numbers are staggering the first half of the decade even the first seven seasons of the decade. Actually it's just the last few that of dropped off and and he's going to go into the next decade being the starting center for the Portland Trailblazers. I feel like it is weird that he's there but he's the defense maybe a little bit lacking but I got that two headed Combo Anthony Davis and probably go soul making move the ball not bad at all right. We close this out here in the center category. This is a tough one now. All those guys You can talk about well you know. It's it's probably the more reason guys really because there's been some guys who've been impactful in the short term. I really wanted to take joke him nor in this spot because he sure he was he was great for a very small window their defensive player of the fourth and MVP voting Tennessee Chemistry. Gay Big expand over her getting Lebron joking together as well. So I'm going with Rudy. Gobert two-time defensive player of the year. Two Time All star two time all defensive team now obviously it doesn't have tons of seasons but he's really become so impactful in these last three seasons that I just feel I mean it was Dan to him or Karl Anthony Thirty towns as well as in the mix there offensively towns clearly. Much better but defensively rudy. I mean really is just a brilliant defender and the jazz tend to have the the best defense when he's on the floor. Yeah give me some legal bear very when I was getting ready for this. I know we're moving onto the role player category here and we made the rule that you couldn't be an S. or all MBA. And I was thinking I was like maybe Rudy will will slip here and that'll be sort of my big my center and then I was like. Oh yeah he didn't make an all star team in the decade but he was so it's like that takes them off all right rudi go bare. So yeah I mean all of the quote unquote current center superstars. Survive there with your Yokich and beat and towns the next decade and maybe maybe we'll come up in a wildcard okay. Fourth category the role player and those were the rules. You cannot have made an all all star team and you couldn't have made an all. NBA team. I have the first pick in the role player category and I think I. AM drafting the the truest role player. The truth one of the greatest to ever do his role and that specific role coming off the bench and and get buckets. GimMe Lou Williams Sweet Lou. Three times. Sixth Man of the year Everett's sixteen points per game in just twenty when he six minutes per game over the decade. What this guy does? I need some scoring on my team. I need a guy that hit those clutch shots late and I really wanted to lean into the role player Category and its meaning and again. I don't think I don't think this guy really. You know who did it better over the decade than that that type of role coming in off the bench as true role player. Tim Crawford Yeah. I'm going sweet Lou. Lou should have made an all star game to probably not wrong wrong alright. Jd You got the second pick and roll player. Okay so got two choices here One oh I'm torn but I think I'M GONNA go. Jd torn about a basketball choices. This great one is Matt Barnes. I was trying to figure out if you're going to take him as a role player or a wild card. I was like why. Why people that made on? I've always loved Matt Barnes. He's he's a very charismatic. Matic Dude. He's very interesting guy. He's a decent basketball player. I believe superstar by any means. But that's we're talking about here role player but I think I'm GonNa go with Big Baby Davis he's a NBA. Champion is incredible dancer as we found out with task when we did our dancing hito segment and he's Sta all around fun guy and I've got some pretty good players already so I'm going. I'm John Fund with this one. So Big Baby David. All uh-huh picked eighties killing babies off the board. I mean task third. Pick Life Diego Diego traditional role player with this one. Yeah three and D it up you go guy off the bench. You go crazy Z.. Like J. D. I've got some got some wild ones in my bag. I KINDA WANNA pull out for this one you go Austrailia Matthew Delvin over my team. What am I crazy? Yeah let's keep it North American here racist my team. My team consists of Steph curry anti POW. I'm general manager here. Where am I put in one minute? Put up with these boys do now. I know where I'm going. I know where I'm going to build a drama. Yeah I'm building give me one time. NBA Champion can play. Both ends can play in. The modern game has some chemistry with Gasol. I'm taking Trevor Rees The craziest I love it. Trevor Reza Yeah Holy. Moly reason can just love the capabilities. I don't WanNa one way player. There's there's definitely plenty out out there all right trevor. Rees after big Davis after sweet Lou Williams League at the fourth pick in the role player. Yeah I sort of. I wanted to put this player in because he picked up a couple of championships and he fits. JD's category perfectly. He's a fun Dan. God Chris Andersen Birdman Man. But I'm not going to go with him. James Harden and Lebron so the balls. I've got enough scorers but I gotta get another scorer. I want another go and you talk in your six year. Same with my Guy Jeremiah. Crossover guys all right. Yeah I love this other one who should have been an all star art some point but yeah. He just came off the bench and got buckets. He was award was going to be called the Grove at award until Lou Williams came along a sort of stolen so yeah and I just love to seize handles out. They're fun to watch any. Might be your age. Yes I think I think y'all got the Euro Tony. Yeah Man Jamal Excellent. I was saying you guys could talk about movies. You like Crocodile Dundee fire. He's seen all the classics. Yeah all right across the board trae final pick and roll play around role players left out there. I would sale a whole bunch. Jj redick on my list. Mike Miller I need some chemistry. Everybody likes Mike Miller. Probably the worst player. I have on my list. Ricky Rubio you have done to defense moves the ball easy to fit around other people but I need a guy who has never been an all star but should have been an all star. I got a great garden. Dwayne Wade play my number two spot so how it a little chill guy play in the number one. Give me Mike Conley. He never complains. Yeah he was on the list to the talking about again made an all star team at one point or another. That's good I I was going through like looking at my list. Like who else they had in the running i. I almost couldn't have taken taken him because I already had quiet mark assault but Serge Ibaka. I had on my list. Yeah you know you forget how good he was defensively. Thunder lead the League in blocks. Three times I believe and he was a three time. Defensive Player selections Super Athlete to when I was younger turn of the century but then I would have had Kuweit surge at work. Ah going lowery in the wild. So that's good so Mike Conley trae sure sure. That's what everybody ready. Every fan thinks is a really great player and Mike. Call me. They're gonNA look at them like okay. Fine I tell you I hate my team. I don't want to even see the tweet over at the row players Lou Williams Big Day Trevor Rees Jamal Crawford and Mike Conley all over the place amazing. Jj Redick I mean yup solid play might the playoffs every year as we know but yeah we could play good player. Jason Terry I all L. But he's probably the most playoff polished of all these guys. Mike got some Polish but the huge reason the mavs won that title. All right guys. We're into the the fifth round. It is the wildcard round. You can go basically wherever you lot win this one of the first pick in the wildcard round Drafting well was it last time when we did MBA twitter. I started falling him. Grateful Paul I'm so happy the first pick so guys get ready to cross this guy off your list probably high I am going with the best asked hair in the business. Atlanta's very own Harlem Globetrotter Alex Moose Weeks. We're going to have fun on the Court and the Court Award Wildcard Moose. I was GONNA take firefly's it's still on the Board of Nice Harlem Globetrotter came on our show slasher trash. Yeah he was. He's a fun guy though. That's a good pick a fun game. The best team no doubt to hang out with absolute go for one hundred percent. You got a baby can ride on the Moose's back right all right so moose hope no one had him. He's task. Your wildcard wildcard. Yeah I'm I'm I took Trevor Rees as a dropped off a tiny bit and talent and getting it back with this guy. I'm waving the blue and white flag yon instead to compose joining my God. Yes that's pretty crazy. Okay wow heck of a pick. WHO's thinking about Costa the Nazis Compo- but I'm going with Yannis? Okay that's That's excellent and as we know like you sort of alluded to it you. You really turned around his career in midway through the decade. When you started calling the amount is awesome? They took us more calling the fans out but I turned it around. He took note. He knew what was happening. He's used it for motivation. He's a fan. The Utah Jazz took note all right Lee. Third Pick wild card. I want go on my team. He was a champ. He was an all Stein made the all. NBA Yea News. That's nice that's a nice Sort of was going to say Combo there for your distaste in your nice little one to bring Might Bring James Harden off the bench because he was six man. Yeah but I'm just saying the united like that's the rotation. You're so confident you'RE GONNA team you'RE GONNA start four on five and then bring at least putting himself in the wine trade fourth pick wild card well. Fourth Pick Wildcard team. I'm angry at my team. I walk in the Locker Room on my you you guys again. And that's why I can't bring myself to take Carmelo Anthony. I can't he's a great player. He had a good decade. But a monster numbers. But I can't bring him into the Locker Locker Room. I need a source of light. Somebody who's going to lighten the mood gets them jokes going and we're not talking just fart jokes. 'CAUSE we're getting those from great no problem. I need a little bit more shooting to shooting and likeability you give me Dirk Nowitzki. I thought he was going to be there with the last pick. And yes scooped up from me man. You know you're right. I mean averaged eighteen and six over the decade but five time all star who won the two thousand eleven title with that playoff run still legendary and you know during the first six seasons when he was still over a twenty point per game score twenty one points regained great team guy and I know that another decade. He'll still be playing for my team forever and ever and ever You've really screwed up my team here. Though I needed a power forward I needed needed to fall. Thought he was going to do it. I thought you were going to take them. The same amount of swerved with international star. Engine all the all right so this is the final pick. Yeah I I need a big do I go with a little more youth to my squad do I go. Do not take wiggins do not thinking towns could be in play. You know what I'm going I'm going somewhat small so I'm moving on bump in my man Colli Leonard up up to. Let's call them my power forward strong enough. You can play the guys in the Post. No problem drafting another guard. GimMe Chris Paul. So I'm taking Chris. Paul is the greatest point guard maybe of the decade true true true point guard of the decade. Oh boy man I tried right into trey please. I really need a career training for trade him. I'm small I'm the Chris Paul. No not really all right. We're horrible team. Now what did I do. What did I do a yacht is dirk have been perfect anyway that is? That's the five rounds. We've drafted our team. So here's what we're GONNA do. We're going to recap each team. We'll go through each guy in order of the way we drafted in the first round. But I want you to also share your teams like name or Hashtag. Whatever you WANNA call it maybe a Hashtag so we can share them on twitter under your team's Jersey? Obviously that Jersey had to have been worn in the decade Okay and what song you're going to play at the end of the third third quarter to pump up Roud and your team all right but the song has to be from the decade is well. That's the little catch there so Hashtag Jersey. What Song John is your team? SORTA pump up song. So who is number one task. I guess you were. What's what's your team in? And what are those other starting for your Tasmanian Devil Hash Day. Get the horns rockets. Latest Red Younis the the city additions from last year. I believe they're called the nicest ones were. Go and full on devil seven curry. Anthony Davis Power Ghazal Trevor Rees. Oh Wow and Yeti said that the Pol- what were your jerseys again. Sorry the rockets okay. Okay I like how your your team is named the devils but also the guys you have on your team seem very nice very nice guys. Great Dichotomy Second. What was Lee Lee? Okay so you want my team I want your Hashtag your team name. Whatever you WANNA call it your Jersey and the song okay? The the team name is Harlem Shakes. That's how we owned by the jerseys. We wearing the Miami Heat Miami Vice Jersey Sanit. Oh Yeah they were beautiful jerseys and And the song to get the crowd going again connected to the heat seven nation army two thousand twelve yeah. Let's hate lob. Got Lebron there while your team you said it the holiday no place your play all the supplies. Yeah well it's a James Harden Lebron Rudy Gobert Mono and democracy pretty good team. That's a lot of Ohio's pretty solid team. Lebron you're all you're going to look a little bit. I'm fine with seven nation and army because it was rocking the Miami Heat in the early twenty tens put it came out in two thousand and three. Well yes the song did but it was like no but that that that came back then come on around my softball team was to free games in the late. Two thousand ask that I was like that it it came like it became in the NBA. Lexicon in two thousand. I get. There's still going to Elton. John Concerts. I mean the songs that you bump into and stand to in your sunglass powder teachers Or sure still thirty years old. Try and tell me that they were part of the decade. Yeah Ed come on it was it was. It was who cares. I like that. You named your team the Harlem shake shake song from the de. Take Care Paul. Okay classics curveball. That's right my team. Name is the pit bulls. I'm a bulls else fan but more importantly our song is timber by Pitt Bull. Catch which is why are Hashtag is going to be Hashtag. It's going down. We get to the playoffs going down. Playoff timber playoffs. Were wearing those ugly New Orleans Hornets Jerseys that were front purple back. Green birdied draw one. Those are bad but they will maybe match my team. That is out there on the court. My Guard Dwayne Wade my forward Kevin Durant damp my center. Dwight Howard Jokes farts my role player. WHO's my role player? Mike Conley my wildcard dirk. That is the pit bulls. It's going down excellent excellent. All right I was the fourth pick in the first round. Let me take it through. My team is weird. I ended up having a couple wraps on their three in fact at one point And then I have some have. Some temporary boys could go team temper boys but I'm actually going to jam the two together. The other that the tempers and the Raptors Angle and call my team or my Hashtag. We the angry okay. Hashtag re the angry the team Jersey. Let's stick with that Toronto Vibe Gimme Drake's black and gold lovie. Oh nights wraps Jersey from the decade and my Song Tom I will also sort of stick with my theme. I guess because he features in the Song Travis Scott Sicko bowed this Kosonen them both at the gate off Savigny put those interesting hardy flex exactly. It's three songs in my team. Mike Guards are Chris. Paul and Lou Williams my forwards are Russell Westbrook and Kawhi Leonard. There are little small but they're strong and and my center were bottles of wine. It is Mark Ghazal. CPI Three Lou. Ross Kalis Mark Assault. Jd Take US through your team. I I see my five guys standing there. I just look at them and I think squad goals so we're calling this Hashtag squad. Goals is gang. Where wearing the ever so slightly overrated Prince Jerseys from the wolves from last season? Great Look in in Jersey and I just got a good feeling with this team so I'm going good feeling by man. Slow ride playing guard. We Got Klay Thompson Forward Blake Griffin Center. Tim Duncan CEO. See in pullman. Big Baby Davis is my bamboo boy. 'cause you're doing wildcard Alex Moose weeks weeks. I think if I listened to your team correctly basically have moose play on the point. Yeah you'RE GONNA have to do. I love it Unorthodox Jerseys the jerseys you should wear those Jersey onesies in the pool. They're just one appeases Jersey on top bathing yes love it would love it all right there. There are are all decade squads. You guys got to let us know who has the best squad tweet at us at no dunk sink. Think chime in who you would have drafted in a particular spot who we got wrong through. We forgot that's part of the fun guys. Thanks so much for listening and we'll talk to you soon.

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Hour 3: Tier Talk

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

36:04 min | 1 year ago

Hour 3: Tier Talk

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We have a lot of people here. Wondering, understanding, Blake, stugatz loves to throw his sausage fingers in the air and tell other people how they should be patient or impatience. So he loves throwing around the phrase, c, o b. close of business. Now, does that mean five AM close of business for for everyone or is Pat Riley allowed to take a call at six pm without betraying what you believe to be should be his principal? It depends when the he closed their business. I'm not certain when they do most businesses closed five, five thirty, but the heat might be open later. So if Raleigh wants to take a call just as long as they're open for business Riley has to be in the office when he takes the call guy. That's it. That's deadlines. Don't mean anything? No. If the report is true that you Butler has given the t. wolves, the deadline, what the hell does that mean? What. Anyone. He's under contract. They don't have to trade him until his contract expired, but they should trade him. If teams are offering, you know, young valuable players, the timber wolves should be doing that. They should a texter writes in. Yes, lebatardshow Gruntal d- is a word. It means happy. I would think that an alleged writer would be familiar with many. Many words is that. Here, MO, put it on the poll. Have you ever said, I'm so Grunfeld to tell people you're happy because I've never heard it so it can be a word, but I've, I've actually never heard in forty nine years existing. I am as old as grandpa Brett farve in forty, nine years existing in studying language. I have never heard and interacting with human beings. Someone as I try not to. I've never heard someone say I am so Grunfeld. Hey, what's going on? Man? I'm Grunfeld. Yeah, this crown told. Yeah, you haven't heard it either. How about that? I don't mean Stu gods. I mean all of you you out there. You've never run into another human being. Who is said, I'm grunt. Yesterday we had a great oversight. I am surprised that ROY did not speak up. This whole cleaning of the face with soap, you use to clean your. It's not something black people do. This is culturally different. That's that poll came back. Overwhelmingly, yes, I clean my face with the same soap use to clean my and it's because primarily white people were answering black people were looking at white people and being this is disgusting. Didn't anyone teach you better? And the answer is no. The answer is no. Abs- absolutely. Before body washes, there was the boss of soap and white people used to use the bar while black people who use like wash cloths. Well, yeah, this is what's happening all over the the polling. Can you look up what the polling came back on that? Because all it revealed is that all revealed? Is that mostly white people listen to our show. How many soaps is too many soaps to us in one shower because I used three sometimes. Is that too many that sounds like one too many one too many, because here's the thing. One of them's I can aromatherapy thing, so like I'm not going to be smelling my legs. So I only do that like chest up, but then I use like a cheaper thing for the rest of my body. And then from my lower-half I'll use like a bar soap. Okay. It is not surprising at all that you would use the phrase aromatherapy. How is that therapy working on you? The most neurotic member of our gang. Oh, I've seen great results. I kind of like multiple substitute. I like to go with a soap beated soap first. And then at the end, I cleaned it all off with a little body wash about that. I like to do little foam. You said you don't clean the lower half of your body. It's a tough bend. On says a special torso wash, it's not even a full body wash. It's just it's a Bill is important, half. Except on Sunday. Maybe my body washes called water by the way, sixty three percent of the audience said yes to that poll question, they use the same soap in both spots. I love my body washes called water. What were the results on the Pat Hanlin polling? Hold on to say it's bad head on the best. Let me. Did yesterday said the giants PR man was the best while ripping him. We need to get Bill Simmons on the line here because God has something for Bill Simmons. Stugatz is really mad at Bill Simmons and something that he wrote les sixty. Nine percent of the audience said that Pat Hanlin is not the best price. So Frank, Frank, Martin has tweeted the show, the South Carolina coach, a Cuban who has not unlike angel Hernandez a blight among the Cuban people. He has tweeted what's to God's and you can follow us on Instagram now at lebatardshow as well as Twitter. What has Frank Martin tweeted at you? Well, Miami Dade schools tweeted out. We want to retain and recruit the brightest and the best teachers a higher compensation can help us do that hashtag, secure our future. Frank, Martin tweeted that at us, he said, hey, lebatardshow what is to God's think about this? Frank Martin came on this show, and you know, we did, you know, a whole song dance, which I agree with about how teachers should be paid more. And it's the easiest stance of the world. And of course, I agree with it. My mom was a teacher. My wife was a teacher. Of course, teachers should be paid more. They should be paid a lot of money Babri one degrees except the people doing the pain, right? The reality is, you know, one hundred thousand people aren't showing up and a couple of million more tuning in to watch a teacher teach, and that's the difficulty with paying the teacher more money, but they deserve it while we're at it. Save Aweil. That's that's something we had a lot of fun with about eight months ago. The idea of having a controversial take and then following it with something that everyone can agree with. That's the way to do it. And Frank Martin nailed the dismount during his run to the final four by giving a very strong opinion that teachers should be paid. That we all agree with. So Frank, we all agree with you. You wanna pay him. Feel Liam Niessen coming because I don't wanna pay. You want to take a pay cut Frank? No, no, no, no, no, Frank. I agree with you. I will. You take a pay cut so the teachers could be paid better. I get that Liam Neeson's sound so that we can make fun of Frank. If he's listening here you go, Frank, this is what we think you sound like, not because we don't love you. Not because we don't believe that you are absolutely right in saying that teachers should be paid more, but. Build to school. There's a lot of discussion about it on a lot of healthy. I'm necessary discussion about it because the disparity sometimes is. Disgraceful. How'd you think we can cost that we're starting? We're starting that. Has they start on? It's starting with these extrordinary actresses brave ladies. And we as may have got to be part of it. You know, we started it so we have to be part of the solution San. Would you take pay cuts kind of cool things down now, pay-cut I, no, no, no, no. That's going to for. No, there has to be pirated. There just has to be. It's like a comedy. Courtesy of the ROY. What were you telling me there during the break us to says, find two dollars. You read the score wrong. The Leafs actually beat the stars, not the sharks. So that's actually a five dollar fine. Is it really reading the internet wrong? Okay. Well, I don't have any money on me today. So that's unfortunate that you guys see any money. Did you guys see any money? I didn't see what happened when he reached all there is money there. What sticks dollars? Oh my God. I saw fifty. Come from six dollars is what you? Oh, I need. So what's that? Here's a fifty forty. Seven dollars. The other day. This is this is actually true. All right. Listen to me when I tell you this, the other day knocked over the bucket of death on purpose and pulled out a second Rams helmet after the Rams had one on Thursday night, he pulled out a second Rams helmet and here you and the other day, this is what he did. He did a bunch of magic with his sausage fingers like moving dollars around here, and he turned a profit from the fines that were lined up in front of me where there were fives there before. And then when he was done, there were only a lot of ones, but less ones then there were five and clearly he, he made he collected interest on his mistakes. You picked up on that. I thought I was the only one here and everyone saw it. You're doing it in front of cameras. You fool. They pay the it is bate the since you don't have changed given up fifty burger back. Don't move it over. Slide it over what you need to slide over as my chain. C o be like, I need it like one minute. Okay, otherwise, I'm taking a fifty back with interest. What did you call the fifty. Fifty burger. I'll put it on the poll guy who refers to a fifty fifty burger. Is he a jackass or is an or is he an irredeemable jackass? Those your only choices casper get a good night's sleep. A fifty burger who says that I'm still waiting on my forty, seven dollars change your. Let's go get a good night's sleep. When you lay on a casper mattress, where witnesses to what a great night's sleep is. Because look at everyone around here. They all have casper mattress. Remember scouts still had a fifty five dollar. I IOU so we'll just go ahead and keep that. Yeah, what's what's fifty five dollars for what? Killing lute Olson. Oh, that's fifty dollars. Yeah, that's your role. We finally got the payment here. Get Atty here. Get outta here. Fifty five dollars. I don't get the math year fifty for killing loot. What's the five, four. And then all the other finds had accrued since. Fifty yours five. Oh, you five still after getting fifty? Yeah. All six. If you don't have the money. Well, sleep cool and comfortable every night in a casper. Dan killed someone. He didn't pay a dime. Who did he kill? You made them pay fifty bucks. He didn't pay fifty dollars the odyssey that f. Frank Layden. So take that fifty. I'll go into the fine bucket. I'll take a hundred twenty out during the bird. I got robbed, I did get route crossing. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom. My first experience with jewel. I do remember being like this, good. It's it's it's like a cigarette, but not. I don't miss smoking at all. Like I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette Asher lingering odor make the switch and j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive, chemical, donlevatar, Wisconsin. And always at number four, Wisconsin lives at number four. In the AP poll, they will win. Absolutely nothing. Nothing. Nothing ever. Stugatz Wisconsin will never ever ever ever win a national championship football. These live at our show with stugatz on ESPN. Radio. Did you see what Klay Thompson said about LeBron James and a Lakers jersey Klay Thompson normally doesn't say very much Klay Thompson. He is unusual when you say Mike, like he gets out in front of the cameras, he doesn't seem to mind being in front of the cameras, but he doesn't say much of anything when he gets in front of the cameras. And so here he's saying of LeBron and a Lakers jersey. I think it's pretty cool. I don't think you would have guessed it when he was with the Cavs when he started his rookie season, but it's adding a ton of interest in the league. And the Lakers are about to get the usual media coverage that I was used to growing growing up. Staples is a different vibe. It's not like an Oklahoma City or a Salt Lake where it's just noise and intensity. It's more like, man, this is a cool place to be in LA tonight. That's the only thing that derails this thing. That's the only thing if one of these guys is just like, okay enough. I don't. I don't wanna do this anymore. Like that's enough winning it. The thing that will derail them as boredom. Well, if just one decides that they're still fine. They're still fine. But what I'm saying is if that one is Kevin Durant, they're slightly less fine. No, they wanna. Championship the year before they got Kevin Durant, but I, I understand what you're saying. Yes. I mean, obviously, you lose the rent and you're sliding your lot, but how? How else do you derail? It? It's either that or injury, right? It's not because it's not because you're ever getting more players than them. I mean, Houston's trying to get Jimmy Butler. You like that you like you just saw Houston playing a different style of basketball than anybody mathematically go after Golden State and take him to a game seven that they might have won. If Chris Paul hadn't gotten hurt. Game seven on the road. No, less after Houston was better than them all season by all of the metrics, right? They're not that far whatever you wanna say about Houston. I know we keep saying that basketball's a foregone conclusion, but they're not actually that far if you had a game seven on the at home against that team, you got a major injury to one of your stars and in that game, Trevor REEs it goes over twelve from three. If you hit you miss a historic number of three point shot. You're not that far, but I do wonder if there are a little bit further than they were a year ago just because of defense, they're not as Trevor. REEs is a really good player defensively, like, and I know. But if I tell you, hey, Trevor REEs is not going to play with his over twelve. But Chris, Paul is they win game seven. If I take away Trevor REEs is over twelve and just give someone else, those twelve shots. You don't think they're giving the Chris Paul. I mean game seven for the NBA finals. I mean, I don't know if you get much, much different result there, to be honest, just get the over twelve from Chris Paul. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah, you do. Actually injury gives NBA fans just enough intrigue and rockets fans get to say. We would won that if we had Chris Putney wondering. Okay. Some way it would have been some way the same way that they did on the road, Oklahoma City in game six and away where Klay Thompson is making shots from mid court. And afterward, Kevin Durant is saying, okay, I don't wanna play here anymore. Not a small thing though that Claes dad is famous as a Laker, not a small thing. I would pay attention to that if if clay is longing for LA and that's what his father grew up around and. You don't think clay says to himself, if you were to think of a perfect landing space for Klay Thompson, it's not that trade that was talked about a few years ago which was Kevin love to Minnesota. This is said the Golden State turned this down, Kevin love from Minnesota Golden State in exchange for Klay Thompson. That's not the deal. I think Klay once being the number one player on a, you know, a late seat. I think the deal he would want is wait who's the best player in the history of the world to get me the basketball at the three point line. And that would be LeBron James, the the theory, the MEAT area is always that clay was gonna find his way in the lake on the Lakers and Michael Thompson is dead historically, hasn't done anything to push back on that, which is why it only gained steamed. However, the most recent comments for Michael Thompson on this matter was that Claes going to retire with the warriors. I think he's finally realised that he should probably stop making life Davis is the direct quote, and it doesn't mean that this I'll find. Interesting watching this because sometimes. Kids like to carve a different path than their parents. Even if the basketball chromosome has been hand me down, this is what his father. The famous Laker. Michael says, quote, he's got such a good thing here. The warriors have such a special thing here for the next six or seven years. They're going to be championship material. They're not going to break that up. That's the quote, but Michael man, I remind you that those Lakers of yours, we're never going to be broken up either. And then Pat Riley was writing a book. He still regrets to this day about it the inside season on the Lakers and at the end they wanted Pat Riley out of there and the teams dynamic changed really doesn't matter what clay wants, right. It matters. Hula Brom wants. That's it like clay. Can wanna be there all he wants if indeed he don't. Why wouldn't LeBron want him there? He wants more maybe guys that he wants. He wants to rant, but clay is the guy if I were to outside of Steph or dranked you got, it's not just that you gotta get a guy to beat them. You have. The weaken them in doing so like it's LeBron getting another and a guy that's not what he needs LeBron needs to get another guy from them. Right. That'll close the gap. It will close the gap, but probably still not enough right now if they get to. That's enough. Well, the rent, yes, but LeBron. I mean, yeah, I like I like LeBron chances with a Klay Thompson. And then of course you get somebody else. That's how they're going to do it. That's that. That's the game of thrones LeBron's, not just going to sit there and wait for Kevin Durant ticket board with championships, like he's just not. Maybe for one sees donlevatar the one John Fogerty song. Do you call it field or put me in coach when he died? This is the only thing I knew that he did. I was sad. I was like, I'll never see him seeing it. Live stugatz Fogarty was just on the show. I don't think he died. Billy just like, killed him. He's alive. That's a fine. So two weeks ago, wait a minute. He was on who show. With Greg Cody. Telling you this is a Hispanic song. If I have a direct and pointed question for you, why did you kill John Fogerty Libertador show with his two guys on ESPN radio. So Scott's was telling you that ESPN is released. Its tears, tears of Pasco, basketball, rankings. Chris Cody gets very excited when that happened gear Mogos all over the place. You still got your bowl projections over there who's playing in the sun bowl according to hold on, who do you got everybody slowdown who's playing in the sun bowl according to projections, go to the go to the source of these things bowl projections related. What were you saying those students? Well, I have the tears here. ESPN did not release their tears. Zach Lowe released his MBA does ESPN have different tiers. I'm not certain. I think they rely on Zach Lowe. He speaks for all of us on tears. I think on MBA tears that speaks for all of us. We'll put it on the polar. You good with Zach, Lowe's speak. For all of us on basketball matters on who's good. So would you like to hear the tears? So what are the tears? What are the classifications? So they have, you know, Zach has tier what he has rock-solid playoff teams, tier one. So there's a tier one, then a rock solid playoff teams, tier one. Then he has a renaissance, wait a minute. Wait, what? What? What? What get what? All right. There's a tier one, and that's here. One is separate from all other tears. And what if that tear Representative your role than state worry. Okay, so that they're by themselves in a tear away from everything else? Yeah, they're gonna tear by themselves, correct. Kind of like ESPN. It's doing twenty hours of basketball documentary on ESPN plus, but Michael Jordan's not a part of it because he's doing his own documentary. That's going to be every bit as big as basketball. Correct. And so the warriors have their own tier? Correct. So Golden State is tier one, and this is funny teams. The warriors have to try their hardest against. That's another. Tear that's that's different from rock-solid playoff teams yet they have to give max effort against these two teams and potentially a third. But right now it's definitely to the Celtics and the rockets. So you could say, warriors tier one, a Celtics rockets tier one big about that. Then the raptors he is searching for proper paperwork to move them up one tier Zach Lois. So we'll see right now. I would classify them as tier one, six paperwork they need is LeBron's contract. So anyway, now we, we moved down here to rock rock-solid playoff teams, tier one. This is where it gets interesting, the jazz, the box, the thunder. Those is where thank you for thank you for finally. Good rock solid playoff teams to your what cat. Warriors a or one b warriors are what a rockets are one be. Okay, and the Celtics are also one be the raptors are onc- okay. Searching for paperwork. These are rock-solid playoff teams tear what the Utah Jazz, the Milwaukee Bucks. Hold on gamma. Do you understand what he's doing? I don't know what I don't understand what Zach Lowe is doing, and I don't understand what's to let me try to get cheer one. He's been wanting to talk tears, all show gear all show. He burst in here and said, Zach, Lowe's, tears are out. Golden State is tier one. They're in a league by themselves. Okay. The teams they have to give max effort against or the Celtics and the rockets because if they don't, those teams could surprise them. And maybe when a best of seven and the jury's still out on the raptors. Okay. It's the Jerry still out here. So now we're on the rock solid playoff teams tier one. This will not include any of the teams. I've mentioned already. Sprinkle some news in between this very confusing segment using articles that just posted a new article. So this is the very latest on Jimmy when we have not gone yet tears at the facility facility Miami's so he's at Minnesota's Jimmy Butler Minnesota's facility, but he has yet to take the practice court with his teammates, even though he's interacting with his teammates, no real nuggets in this outside of the tweet that he sent a couple of minutes ago. However, there is this one nugget that says outside of the heat, the timber, you're not have any serious active talks going on. Guillermo put it on the poll, please at lebatardshow because I know many of you are tired of the story. Have we reached the saddest place on the sports landscape where we're sniffing around in the wake of Jimmy Butler practice habits? Yes, we have. I'll bring our, I'll bring us back to a happier place. So rock-solid playoff teams? Tier one. Okay. And by they give a nugget there, speaking of the nuggets day are rock solid playoff. Why won the nuggets are? Yes. How can you be a rock south playoff team? If you fail to make the playoffs is rock saw this glow man bring it is day at Thomas. Now you go, okay. So nuggets Sixers, thunder bucks, jazz and timber. Wolves. Wait a second. If they keep Jimmy Butler. Well, then is there a different tier for the heat? If they get Jimmy Butler, there's rock-solid playoff teams to your to Lakers Pacers wizards the heat. I am very Grunfeld would Jimmy Butler. How how Grunfeld are you how how old is the background right now that the Miami Heat or as oxide tier two layoff team. What do you mean? Hold on? We can't be held on. We got to come on what I have right on the border line. That's different from the new tier. Another tier right on the borderline not a light is low com-. Right on the borderline. I feel like Denver's right on the borderline no rocks out now gamma put it on the poll now gets rock-solid or right on the border line, the Spurs bordello. Wow. Even with wait, does this include the Murray injury? Borderline. This is tier one borderline the Halicki. Borderline. Blazers borderline the heat without Jimmy Butler borderline. I think I'm so Grunfeld. Pistons borderline Hornets nets quarter line to second. We're grouped in with the pistons. Yeah. Now I'm disgruntled who. Dors cracking open, but the west is still too good. That's a tear that's a tear Mavericks grizzlies clippers Minnesota without Jimmy Butler. That's that's precisely why tips doesn't wanna make this deal. I five flea wise Zach Lowe is the best in the business. These, she'll aim free time for some ads. So according to Kyle on a girl, the sun bowl this year is going to be between USC Duke. But Dan, Mitch Schuermann thinks it's going to be between Virginia Tech and Washington state. Wow, that's very disparate viewpoints on something. Can't we all just get along about the sun bowl? We'll see what happens next week. We tweak thing Dan. What about the Alamo? Oh, please give it to me. Yeah, we'll mobile. Does that glow? Not now not know how tears work. Wow. Kyle guru says the Valero Alamo bowl this year is going to be between Colorado and Oklahoma state. While Mitch Sherman says, it's going to be between Oklahoma and Oregon. That's great. Match this bitch Sherman at some points on those two teams going to play for national championship appointment viewing if Aleppo, Allah, mobile cats, Oregon, Oklahoma, yeah. Yeah. I mean, ESPN needs to promote. -ment Sherman this guys out there saying the controversial thing. I'll remember the Alamo. What's. You just mad because you remember the Alamo. What's. As giving you, hey. I thought it was going to give you the other ones stole a joke from one of my rants about Boris Diaw while I did. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got there alone we get there. I'll learn until we get there. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do? What's this button? Do what's best button do, what's this. Believe it Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Donlevatar did you know that Jose could Seko's finger fell off during a poker game. We did a good show today. Man sixty eight percent of the audience said. So it got to. That all job is Doug stugatz. That's that's a quality program. We put together job. Everyone DC's live with our show with his two guys on ESPN radio going to update the polls in a second here gear mo- but I want you to clear your slate of responsibilities. And this week I am putting you for the rest of the week. Your work hours away from here around here are spent consuming Mike francesa things so that you could relay information back to me and to us about how his apples doing and what kind of frustrations there are from the from the people who love France s? I wanna get more information about this. If at that late career, Mike francesa is King Kong swatting at helicopters boomer esiason's over here that indict that indicted carton guys over there. And everybody's swirling around that flies around and elephants egotistical tale. And I just need more information is what I'm telling you. This show did not spend enough time exploring Mike francesa trying to get into the century. Now it's nine dollars a month. You want Billy to pay for that. You get a pay for it. I mean, how are we gonna? Do I'm happy to pay for it money. Well, spent I just want information. And at some point I would also like Billy to just make his way into that show if he could the app show of Mike francesa that lebatardshow on Twitter and Instagram. Now at lebatardshow what do you got for the polls today feels like we've got a good group of poll local hour more sports or less sports, local hour sixty votes on this by the way, sixty eight percent of the audience at less sport. Yeah. How about same sports? How about that. Right. Sixty eight said less than same sports, right? But same wasn't one of the options, right? It's a different tier. The warriors door creaked open same should PJ Tucker be on the table with Jimmy Butler more sports. PJ sucker be on the table. The table seventy two percent of the audience said, yes, we were talking about the rockets and the trade for Jimmy Butler, and evidently the rockets aren't willing to give away PJ Tucker, and we don't understand well, if he's on the table, guess what that table has on top of it missing piece. Oh, a glue guy, glue guy perpetually. The missing, right. He was the missing piece in Toronto which kept missing. And now they got a better missing piece in co-pilot. Actually, if you want to look at the box score, Trevor REEs was the missing piece. That's a good joke. Get. Give yourself the the left. Are you. Nice. Where where we are you okay, with the show, spending the rest of time talking about Mike francesa. Fifty, six percent of the audience, low fifty six that yes low, right? It is a little low, but it's just because people think we're serious and they get scared a forty, four percent, and I am. I am serious that that poll is now a democracy and we will spend excellent all our time talking about Mike francesa until they fire that begins right, right after I got done with these polls and it will continue for the rest of time on which is twenty two years. We're listening to the show yesterday. Let's he forgets this show up the Mike, not. Where I've seriously lost my place here. Oh, was David Lee Roth? The only van Halen frontman. This is the pricing to fifty five percent of the audience said yes. Can you be grown told fifty three percent of the audience said no. Have you ever said? I'm so Gruntal to describe how happy you are eighty nine percent of the audience said, no, the eleven percent is lying at their. I mean, right. No one is ever said, if so, Grunfeld. We're bringing it back though. Guy refers to fifty dollars is a fifty burger jackass or irredeemable jackass. Eighty percent. What with every Dima jackass? I mean just Jackie anyways. Burger. Where's my change by the what. Forty, four dollars. All right. And so delivering on the aforementioned promise, it was a fifty dollar Bill. Bucket. Go go, did he grab it? I cannot. Beg you. I bet you that. If you went through his pockets right now, you would find the aforementioned fifty. He never goes into that room that way. He waddled right over there to that sign bucket. And next thing anyone knows the fifty was gone while I'm gonna go one by one. Now I want to. I want to continue upon my promise track because this is a democracy. I should let you know that at our boy, there are are celebrated boy there. Michael Patrick francesa junior was born March twentieth nineteen. Fifty four and is an American radio talk show host and television commentator. He is primarily known in his former role co hosting the Mike and the mad dog show on WFAN in New York City. On December fifteenth, two thousand seventeen francesa retired from his own show Mike's on Mike francesa on the fan which occurred during the afternoon drive slot. Formerly occupied by Mike and the mad dog. He was succeeded by Chris Carlin, Maggie gray and Bart Scott and the same time slot for the first ratings book of two thousand eighteen. However, WFAN announced on April twenty seven, two thousand eighteen that process would return to the station for three and a half hour show what a glorious day. Yeah. Career. CBS sports francesa's started his career by spending six years at college and pro football newsweekly. He was hired by CBS sports in nineteen eighty two. As a researcher focusing primarily on college sport at CBS sports. He was initially behind the scenes statistic wielding editorial system, but network execs were so impressed by his knowledge that he was made a studio analyst for college, basketball and football. We'll continue this tomorrow.

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The Butler Isn't In

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The Butler Isn't In

"Carello everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies and the seasons never change. Because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper the official Drake of fans Ville grab some today. Welcome to another highly questionable Halloween edition. We don't do that crowd of dressing up its hack and cliche. This is Stu gods. He's an unholy mess. What do you like on the show today's guy? I like the idea of Larry drew who is one dollars the Cavs head coach holding that organization hostage. Bobby? Why should they wolf Jimmy Butler? Now, you gotta Shams bomb. If it's true, and it's being reported that Jimmy Butler will not play tonight for the Timberwolves. And that this is part of the plan to hold this franchise hostages kind of unprofessional behaviour. I don't know if it's true or not the timber wolves are saying he's got some ailments that need resting, but if you're the T wolves, and he's decided to go nuclear on you the guy with the expiring contract canal, hold your organization hostage. Now, the heat and the rockets two of the only teams that were interested in this can lower their offer because it's becoming clearer and clear. Jimmy Butler is going to get out of there. No matter what Minnesota want, Dan what they should do is go back in time a couple of days ago, and they should take the rockets offer four first round picks for Jimmy Butler. You have to treat them and you have to train them today. Because as you stated every single second you wait to trade Jimmy Butler. The offer gets worse and worse from the heat and from the rockets, and so you have to trade Jimmy Butler as soon as you can't you need. To do it today. So let me get this three. He gets spe effete place. Or if you stay in debate does play right? I tell you one thing I know which one I'll take. Doesn't no brainer. We all take. Swagger, what they want on five rockets are missing. Okay. Whenever a team starts in surprising fashion. And none has started in a more surprising fashion than this one. The rockets have won one game. There aren't teams who haven't won zero. This is the worst that you could start playing the season after one of the best seasons we've ever seen not only that they're getting clobbered they're losing games the way they used to win them. They're losing them by fifteen point. And they need James harden healthy, and they need Chris Paul healthy. And they haven't been and so that's your answer. It's not swagger. It's why Mike Dan Tony says they're playing like crap that is his word in quotes. He's holding it back when they get to one in seventy is going to escalate the language there. Also missing James harden and the plane went crap because they're missing James harden. Here's the other thing. Then that no one's really talking about is defensively last year. They were top ten west year, offense efficiency and defensive efficiency this year. They're in the twenties defensively, I know the offense is gonna come back around because they have Chris Ball. They have James ordered. I'm not so certain about the defense because they lost bomb UTI last year. They lost Trevor REEs, and they didn't replace those guys. So I don't think used to recovers defensively they didn't replace those guys not true exactly the replaced with Carmelo Anthony giving you the quotes in locker room afterward as he's very familiar with from a position that he's used to being in which is winning one out of every six game. Well, they can come back. They yourself to play more games against the Lakers. That's so. Do you know that the antone is Louie for fifteen twenty games against the Lakers? And they'll be backed ranked makes buddy. What do you make of Maryland cessation, three state DJ Durkin? This is an unusual story where you've got players reportedly walking out of meetings because they're disgusted with this coach and this situation he's got a dead player on the resume of the program and an investigation around the program that calls it a toxic atmosphere. I don't know why Maryland would stay with this guy when he's forty years old. He's got a career record of ten and fifteen. This isn't exactly trying to protect lefty dry Zell after Len bias died. You find yourself in this situation as Maryland, you cut ties because this guy is invaluable enough unless you're investigation makes you believe that he's not responsible for this. And the way the rest of us believe he's responsible for it. I don't know how they came to this conclusion. And here's the here's the thing that many people are talking about they opin this entire thing on the strength and conditioning coach they've been on him. And that's a guy that Dirk and higher. That's a guy that works under Durkan. That's a guy. Presumably who was doing exactly what it is. That Durkan is telling him to do and they have pinned it on him. And not Durkee you out the fire the straight that conditioning coach you also need the fire the guy who hired the straight that conditioning code because now they've got a calamity on their hands. They could sit there and keep blaming it on the strength and conditioning coach. But this coach has this attached to him. In fact, many of us this is all that we know about this coach and this program in its present state, and they're going to have trouble getting recruits because parents know, that this is what's on the resume. Why would parents send them to that school? When that's the guy in charge. That's the problem. You have even if you believe in him you support him you think he's one hundred percent innocent. You still have that problem? His job is to get good recruits. He can't now. Should I redrew through coast to Catholic on new deal? All right. So this is what it looks like when the wrong the Cavs. The coach is going after six games they win their first game last night. Larry drew is one and all but he's complaining before the game. He's like I'm not going to be the interim coach all season at the salary, but he did. So while coaching he will coach a little bit longer. But this is an unusual situation. You do not see an interim coach come out publicly and do this in this position. But he is under paid. And I understand why he wouldn't want to sign up for seventy six games of these particular bums at a million dollars a year. That's not a head coaching salary. When you consider it's Cleveland when you get into who that owner is when you look at that roster yet give me a contract and give me a big contract. Otherwise, I don't want to be around this. He's got a point guard George hill, that's older than Larry drew at the larger doesn't want to be around this. Plus he has the leverage Now, Dan, he has the leverage. He is one in. Oh as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers do not take that song. Again without a guaranteed contract. I know the person that they could hire. David, blah. The final status lad a funny name. Like that. Should that about my remaining the college football playoff? If it loses to LSU this weekend. They've got a tough game this weekend. LSU might be the best defense in the sport. That doesn't belong to Alabama Alabama has all of the best players. I ask you this question. Seriously. If I told you right now, this is the final game that you were going to get Alabama with its starting quarterback now against Alabama's backups with Jalen hurts that matchup than anything else. You can put together they're going to be in the final four because they're better at offense than anyone in the sport is at anything you want the eighteen versus the beat. That's right. That's right. Jalen hurts. It went to a couple of national championship games. Listen, I'm watching college football. This point just to see if Alabama loses and I want them to lose a lot. And so if they lose to LSU. Yeah. Put them in the college football playoff because I want to see if another team could beat Alabama. And I got news for you. I'm not watching the college football playoff. Unless Nick Sabin is in it, and Alabama's in it. Because they're the team that I care about the most for all the wrong reasons. I just want them to lose. That's basically what college football is. Now. Right. A bunch of regional programs and everyone else rooting for one Saturday here. Alabama somehow gets knocked off. Triki niki. Independent. Coming up next highly questionable at the end of this game. After Tatum makes a three throats of the Celtics are up three points here. And here's the inbound. Oh. Is this worth it? Checking the domestic does bunny. You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to soaks due to. Off. What's fascinating about the dust bunny is that although they'll not actually sent creatures when they not only saves people money, but also has a ninety seven percent customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer. No, his the only natural Prentice on the long run along. Plenty game that these so relieved that we're not dressing of this year, the Eucharist ume, you give us topics and events week question of gone. We don't have to dress up every year that put me in one of these costumes. It makes me look ridiculous because it's too tight fat. I'm glad I get to do it this way regal and Taylor. Blake Griffin choke. I don't understand why I'm Robin. I don't understand why they bought me a medium for some reason, you get either me in the tight outfit or the microphone on the inside. You do not get both. Let's check in with Blake Griffin here at the end of this game. After Tatum makes a free droves of the Celtics are up three points here. And here is the inbound. Oh. That is exactly what that looks. Should they? Oh, God mad at someone. Who that little boy? It's. Mitzvah is Ishmael Piskun. I'm sitting next to Batman and Fatman. Overall. Thank you for the clarification ration-. Soaker India and the league he's coal the Super League and Sochi's played couples. Do you question if these plate was worth it? Okay. I hope they got all of that my father muttering under his breath about what it is that we're doing we'll go out to India now. And my father's enthusiasm. Is it justified? Is this worth it? Oh, no thing is worth. Thing in the world. Wow. We have got amazing. For the audience. I am in no position. Let's look at his face after this watches faces face right here. Right there. What I hope. What's that? The he was wearing a cop. Oh, that's right. Yes. I hope so too. My father's advice in every circumstance is always. Principal right after carpet diem. Even driving all the time. You look like you have been eating that, Robin. Do you question? If these hold our full, okay, we segue seamlessly from the. Is it is it the holder? Let's see high school football. Is this the holders fault? Junior high excuse me. Oh, snap Pless slow. But not as slow the holder trying to chase down his shame. That is why is the holder right there? Let's see. Let's say thank you for number. Forty two is oh number forty two. Oh, thank you for the spot. Shaina? That is not the fault of the whole. Not the fault of the whole hustling. We're going to hyper analyze they play this junior high. Let's see here. I'm twenty yards behind the ball stolen from me as a holder tracking number. We're gonna track number eleven throughout this. Okay. Shame begins here that is amazing that they just came and took the ball from him instead of stripping away. But let's watch his continues. Because he's. The referee is also out running. So he's gonna get to the twenty yard line realizes this. This is a futile. And his head just became too heavy for the rest of this. He's going to call you. I'll be there. Right. Do you question? Derek stiffen earned these goal. Oh, we are covering senators we are covering coyotes doing so after covering a junior high holder hockey doesn't have a real regal place here at the network. Let's see what happened here in a short handed situation. Cleared all the way down. No. Oh, bill. So bad for about two feel worse. They just waved him like eight goals in three periods. And that was one of. He deserves it. Wow. Look stupid, but they have seen people looking worse. Coming up next on my cell Stevie show. That. What is that that what is it that? What is it sounds like six? Let's see. Up one against the pelicans. Oh, oh that can't be. No look there. You just gotta make it fundamentally sound. Again has a question for you. Why so serious? No, that's the worst. Batman impression. 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The Death of Diana: Accident or Conspiracy?

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The Death of Diana: Accident or Conspiracy?

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Many people say over the pod tease tallyho. Sure, yeah. That's how I loved pip pip people need to bring that back. I've, I've been tremendously instrumental in bringing back, Tut Tut such that some of my friends banned me from it for a few months. Yeah. There are times when, in a serious somber moment in someone's life, Matt, they don't need to hear the phrase Tut Tut. It's as unhelpful as saying, I told you, so or that reminds me a thing that happened to me. You know what I mean? It's just a verbal standing for a finger, wag. Isn't it? It's a big. Yeah. I feel maybe a little all shucks, he too. You know, like, if, if a kid is scared of a thunderstorm or something like tied. I don't definitely experienced a few. It's not a as Tut Tut Tut Tut that appear out of nowhere. What I'm not expecting them. You'll really like in the wild and in the old in the field. Way doesn't bear say Tut tied it looks like rain. Oh, I don't know. It is Yankee does Tut Tut is small admonishment or disappointment. That's, that's exactly where have been hearing it. I've got a giant book of Winnie the Pooh stuff and ruined my son. And he totally says time do your kids, so cool. Oh, you're so cool for bringing the pool man. Cata bring the pood- none of my heroes, where pants through. Why are we talking about British nomenclature and terminology? It's a great question. We can answer it now. It's a little bit of a Downer answer. It turns out that on August thirty first nineteen Ninety-seven, Diana known as the Princess of Wales died in a Parisian hospital as the result of injuries from a car crash. This is something that our fellow listeners have been asking us about for by mean since we started the show. It's one of the first suggestions we got. And we just never did it. Because again, we were originally video only, yes. And our video did cover some of the main things we will be discussing today. But we in this format get to dig deep. Yeah. It's going to get weird. Her driver was a guy named Anri Paul her boyfriend was a guy named Dodi Fayed and her boyfriend security guard one. Trevor REEs Jones were all in the car when the. Accident occured, and we were not to not to date the three of us too hard. But we were all alive at this time for those of us who were residents of this part of the world, that's right after the Olympics like a year after the nineteen ninety six summer Olympics, and maybe we're too young to remember where we were when we heard about this, but a lot of people around the planet know exactly where they were when the news broke, do you guys remember, do you have any memories of this? I was fourteen at my parents house. I know that for sure. You're just doing the math just doing the math in general. Yeah, we're this. We're roughly the same age. I believe, man. I guess so. I think so we've never really compared, but it feels like we are. So I was probably in the neighborhood of fourteen I remember probably being at my neighbor's house. That's what I'm going to say. I was at my neighbor's house heard yet. It's strange. It's before a lot of people in, in the UK or in the Commonwealth. The impact of the tragedy was similar to that of nine eleven or Pearl Harbor. They remember exact moment that they heard this news and it's strange because the two tragedies, I just mentioned involved thousands of people and this involves three deaths and really just one that the public appeared to care about, but Diana was like a symbol, right? I mean, she was seen as the Susan's beloved Princess. She was seen as the epitome of goodness and lights, you know in. Their country. And then the death in and of itself, of course, was tragic, but it also uncovered a bit of scandal that may be tempered, some of those feelings of affection, and admirations for this person. And both of these instances have another thing in common where there are a tremendous number of people who believe that there is something fishy about them that perhaps there was some kind of inside job at play. Absolutely good point. Well said so here are the facts. She's not born the Princess of Wales. Dan is born Diana Francis. Spencer on July first nineteen sixty one she's already part of the, the long running one percent of the UK, the aristocracy, the people who own most of the land and have for hundreds and hundreds of years, which barely you're not supposed to talk about there. But that's the pro that's one of the huge problems of the country. Everything's fine keep con- you fry. Right. Right. Don't ask questions. So Diana was a child of vis count and vis Countess Althorp in February of nineteen Eighty-one. She becomes engaged to Prince Charles. He's the oldest son of the British Queen, Elizabeth the second in a very Hamilton, Esq move, Charles had previously been engaged to Diana's older sister, one Lady, Sarah, Makoko Dell and Diana and Charles went on about twelve dates. Before they announced their engagement, so it's it's like Vegas style in terms of the speed of their relationship, and they have met previously before when she was sixteen and he was twenty nine they were wed five months after announcing their engagement at Saint Paul's cathedral, on July twenty ninth nineteen Eighty-one people loved it people all about the aristocracy, and the entire, you know, the theater of that system. Yes. And so. Just say at the risk of being ages. That, that age difference of twenty nine sixteen is in my mind, personally a little bothersome but, you know who cares whatever just for the record. Anybody who wants to know the code or the, the formula, half your age, plus seven okay? That's the official. Okay to date. I feel the people and is not a ding on you, man. But I feel I've heard that before an often when I've heard it recited that way. It's, it's from look, we're friends because it's from someone that I don't trust. Because my immediate question, especially I don't know the well as how many times, did you run this formula? How many are you? One of those guys while Ben, first of all, I'm being tongue in cheek when I say that there's a magic formula that tells you who you are, are not allowed to date. But I agree with you, Ben when someone really says that with a straight face then. Yeah. It's like with someone knows the intricacies of a weird series of laws. Yeah. Like they're, they're like, look. I mean. Way lutes and intentive for intend to distribute. It's really a lot of people think it's based just on the weight. But it's also based on how it's packaged in your like cool man. I just wanted a sprite. You didn't wanna to quote seniors. No shout out the church's chicken and shout out to something else. It's completely relevant. We're going to get back on topic soon. But did you know that seven up used to have lithium in it? And it was like represented like an up in your mood. I did not know I knew about cocaine and Coca Cola. But I did not know about lithium and seven of opium as well as quite common in a lot of those curative drinks, we go ahead. And that's a good episode of Caesar doesn't beat us to it. Let's just switch gears. Guys. Let's talk out. We'll just go for the rest of the episode and pretend that it was about that, but not sprite seven up to so speaking of fantastic segues the Diana, and Charles marriage produces two sons or they call them having issue when you're when you're when you're, you know you win the genetic lottery, and your nobility, and these would go on to be the tremendously popular princes, William and Harry, the marriage was the subject of tons of rumor among green and muckraking in the local tabloids, which makes sense. What was that was in the old Eleanor Roosevelt, quote that said small minds talk about people middling minds talk about events in great minds talk about ideas, there's always going to be money in celebrity reporting. It's the banana stand of journalism, you know, there's money in it just money. Always. So despite the fact that this marriage was seen as this continual source of, like Kardashian level, reality TV show, vicarious train wreck scandals. Diana herself was just as you said, no seen as a symbol a cultural icon, despite despite the reality of who she was in society, and where she came from, she was respected, for her charity, work, which was serious, including using the access to tremendous, wealth and influence. She had to support hospitals to advocate for the ratification of landmines and to raise awareness of HIV AIDS, mental illness, and cancers so people people felt you know that they need. Identified with her mission. You know, more than a more than a few folks would hear about this work and say, that's what I would do. You know what I mean? Like, if I had that power, that's what I would do, and then add, the human element of being stuck in a bad relationship. Now, how could you not care about this stranger a little bit? Oh, absolutely. I mean to have royalty care at all, you know, within the ivory towers of royalty that, that people are suffering from something, whether it is from, from cancer, or family members and friends being under threat of landmines everywhere. That's one of those, those subjects that doesn't at least nowadays, get much attention at all. But that's still a thing across the world, the danger of landmines and this was literally, the Princess who gave a crap. Right. Right. And so people in general fell to the felt a little convicted. People were very you hear this LA. In fiction nowadays, when we're when we're living through the stories of people on screen or on a page, you hear someone say, I'm team whatever or I'm team, blah, blah, blah, there were people who were team, the establishment, you know, Buckingham team Buckingham. Let's call it that and then team Diana, but everybody pretty much knew all was not well over and Chuck and Diana's crib, the media was able to confirm extramarital affairs on both sides of the bed, and eventually, even Charles parents got involved. Let's try to talk these kids off allege, so Charles's parents Queen, Elizabeth the second you Queen Elizabeth still kicking around. I'm Prince Philip met with the couple for kind of like a impromptu marriage counseling session intervention of sorts Philippine, Diana exchanged, letters, very personal letters that summer and in which she expressed her disappointment at both her and Charlotte. Extramarital affairs and asked her to see both of their slip-ups from the other person's point of view interest in very seemingly progressive for what you would think would be a very rigid, high society kind of situation especially since Prince Philip is on record calling people things like spear chuckers can't. Oh, that's right. Philip isn't he the one who has a cargo cult e AB I think they recently took away his license to drive. Yes, because he was crashing into stuff because he's like a hundred or something now. Yeah, he's quite he's quite elderly. He is not. He is not a perfect person. Yep. Exactly. I one point Philip seemed completely just overwhelmed ready to give up. And he wrote, quote, I will always do my utmost to help you and Charles to the best of my ability, but I am quite ready to concede that I have no talent as a marriage counselor. I can get only imagine. Yeah. Someone who's lived the life of Prince Philip like trying to get into those the deep interpersonal. Berle. Ships in that way. When you're when the life that you live is so guarded from other people just by its nature. That's very pathetic of you. You know what I mean? I think that's really a really generous of you. Okay. No. It's true. Matt, because it is hard to even understand how someone with this much privilege raised with as much privilege could even wrap their heads around or even attempt to exercise this kind of understanding, you know what I mean. Yeah. Well, that's without me, knowing what it, what it really is. But my, my, my understanding of just the schedule that you must keep the, the rigorous relationships of convenience and just all the things you have to do to uphold your image. Right. You know what I mean? Like it's doesn't lead to a lot of heartfelt talks in my opinion. He does sound like a like a genuinely concerned can apparent note. I mean like if you've ever been on the outs with a significant other. I'm sure many of. Listening been that situation where like, how's that working out with the person dating but her or his parents are amazing it ought? I mean, and then they, they like give you advice. Yeah. You know it's my kid. Why can I say they're kind of like that sometimes? But you'll work it out. You'll work it out. You're young. Yeah. But in this case, they didn't work it out. No, they did not their attempts at reconciliation on all sides were unsuccessful. In December thing start to hit the fan. Prime Minister John major publicly announces the pairs amicable separation reading a statement from the Royal family December twentieth. Buckingham Palace announces that the Queen is written separate the British wing, Elizabeth has written separate letters to the couple ordering them to file for divorce as soon as possible. This was a huge scandal at the time. People are getting their popcorn in bulk after considering the present situation, the Queen wrote to both the prince and the Princess earlier this week, and gave them her view supported by the Duke of Edinburgh. That's Philip that an early divorce is desirable, and boom, boom, boom snap crackle pop by August. Twenty eighth nineteen Ninety-six. The divorce was official isn't that interesting. The, the divorce is desirable. Yup. You all are making us look bad. They called it early divorce Idaho. Don't drag this out. Just just get it over with. It's move on this year. Your relationship is old yeller where at the end of the story just take it out back. Well, you have to imagine too, that I believe it was Charles, that I was discovered to have been cheating on Fana. That's correct. With Camilla Parker Bowles who he is now married to which may be lead. Diana to seek her own extramarital affair. And then maybe at that point, it kind of becoming under became an understanding between the two because they were certainly was they were not in it to win it. They were gonna maybe keep it up for the for the public image of it all, but even that, I think became untenable, because you see pictures of them during these periods, and they're sitting at different tables with their backs to each other. It's a very Cold War unfriendly, kind of situation, not any fun to be an and try to keep up appearances. I'm sure no, there's a sad gloom in interview, or they're talking about their engagement early on some some reporter. I don't know if they were in the inner circle, but some reporters says, oh, so you're in love level, blah. And then the Diana characters says, oh, yes, we're in love. And then the Chuck says. Whatever that means each die, or something like that. And it's just it's not a good look hits a cribbage but yeah, yeah, you're right there. It's a political alliance as much as a, a relationship, the idea of the idea of marrying and being in a relationship at all for the purposes of romance is relatively recent in our history, or it's rather it's relatively recent for it to be a commonplace thing. And so the old laws or the old mores probably still hold in a lot of Royal families, you know, and it gets nasty. The public is loving this Princess Diana has a tell all interview with the BBC, which is very rare for the Royal family at all. Because as you said, Matt, they function under many constrictions or I dunno traditions about how they're supposed to be regarded or speak to anyone who has again outside of their inner circle. Yeah. Absolutely. That interview was. With Martin Bashir. And that's a very memorable interview if you were alive, then 'cause in it, she talks about all kinds of details. She again, she talks about how she was unfaithful. She talks about Charles's affair. And she has a very famous quote that she gave while in that interview. And she said there were three of us in this marriage. So it was a bit crowded into that end. She's talking about Camilla Parker Bowles. It's it's a pretty tough. And again, though, to thebenz point about how marriage for love wasn't a thing. I mean these two were completely paired up for political reasons between these families and Charles. And Camilla Parker Bowles had dated like in the seventies, they already had a relationship. And then when he got paired up with Diana, she ended up marrying, her former boyfriend of hers, and then they kinda reconnected so it's sort of, like it was set up to fail. Yeah. But shook did shoes day in a over her sister, right? I mean, that's one of the first things we set up. I just say here I'm saying the whole system of arranged marriages is a little bit Hanky. There are people would argue that the whole system of marriage generalists has problems a here here. Yeah. Hey. I said there were people who would okay is very respectful and diplomatic. But yet you're these are these are great points still despite whatever weird traditions or cultural, brainwashing may be in place in these sorts of systems. You can't change the fact that people are people, and these people are parents, right. So they have they have their divorced. But that doesn't mean that just because they're not a spouses doesn't mean they can't be good parents. So after the divorce despite all the, you know, bad blood, it's water under the bridge, Charles, and Diana work together to be decent parents to their kids after the divorce and continue to do. So up until Diana's death in August. Nineteen ninety seven I didn't know how old she was at the time she was thirty six. Yeah. I just I guess. Thought she was older because, you know, she was she had done so much with her life because, you know, she didn't have to have a job or mortgage or student loans to loans or pay for insurance or. Didn't have to do anything. No. Not really. So funny to me, too. I think you zero point as well been that she's lifted up as being this model person, but you have to keep in mind that she was a model aristocrat, who had unlimited resources. So all it took was a little bit of an streak of kindness that any people in her position could have done. But the fact is most of them, just don't. So she was kind of, like exception to the rule, because she was incredibly wealthy person who very openly was kind to poor people as opposed to it not seeming, like, just like a tax write off. She was very much in the field and visiting hospitals in all of this stuff. So I'm just saying, I'm not I'm not diminishing. I don't think you are either been at all any of the good works that she did. But it certainly easier to hold her up as a shining example of someone of that station because a lot of them are pretty self serving an awful, no matter what she existed in that framework. Sure he did good shoe is, oh, and some of the most influential work she did. Was making the Royal family look good for the people who support their existence. There you go. So it was it was as in the people of the United Kingdom, right? Yes. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And all of the, the other territories, who also must at least tip their hats to can you imagine growing up in a council estate and walking by Buckingham Palace. It takes some, some real some, some real well thought out rhetoric to make that feel like a good idea, right? Who society? But that's you know what, that's my opinion. I don't mean to dump on people's choice of tradition. We will return after the break because we have gotten to the pivotal night the last night, that Diana Princess of Wales spent on earth. Warning. This episode is brought to you by pedal when I was young, I paid credit card companies a fortune in interest in fees, because I didn't have a credit history. Now I'm older. I've built some credit, but I'm still getting dinged with annual fees and high interest rates. But if you ever heard of a credit card company that actually helps you avoid paying those fees, and unexpected inter starches. Well, I just did. 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He is the son of a man named Mohamed, Al fired a billionaire, the former owner of Harrods department store, as a matter of fact, he owns a lot of stuff he owns a yacht that Dodi and Diana are hanging out on, and they leave the kind of a vacation excursion thing, and they arrive in Paris, and they're hanging out in Sardinia, and they, they decide to take off so Dina leaves in a private jet earlier on that same day. And she arrives in Paris with Dody and they're just planning to stop over briefly on their way to London in Paris, and, you know, they, they spent nine days together on that yacht, and they were hanging out in the French and Italian Riviera just having a really good time together spending some. Time and you can see lots of photos surrounding this time of them from paparazzi and the like, because, you know, whenever even though she was outside of, of royalty. She was still one of the most photographed humans on the planet. Now their plan was a stay at the Ritz Paris. And this is another property like all the Harrods that dodi's father owned, and they dined at a place called Ritz. L S Martone. I don't know to say that correctly. Hold on s Don and Diana. We know this, unfortunately because of autopsy and because of you know, just records, but Diana had Dover sole vegetable Tempera in despair, omelette, and that ladies and gentlemen, would prove to be her final meal. They were continually hunted by the press if you've ever read watership down, there's a fantastic mythology that the rabbits in that story have about being the prince with a thousand enemies, you know, and they were kind of watership down situation that were always being pursued by serious journalists by tabloid journalists by freelance photographers, and so on, it was defying that's terrifying thing. Yeah, I, I mean I can't say that. I know what that's like, but I can imagine because you're using the word hunted. Yeah. I would agree. That that's exactly what it is. Sometimes they'll say hounded but it's a synonym at that point. So now we return to a man named on re Paul an employee of Al fides Paris Ritz. He is the deputy head of security at the hotel. And he has been entrusted with the task of driving a rented black nineteen nine. Four Mercedes Benz S, two eighty to allude the press. The idea is this that they're going to send a decoy car out first and that the photographers and the press gang will follow that car, and then the chauffeur Paul will take Dody Diana to an apartment owned by Doughty's father nearby, and they will spend the night in that apartment not in the Ritz before they continue on to London. So this car, the car, they're actually has four passengers. The driver Dody Diana in the back and the guy Trevor REEs Jones, a member of the fired family's security team riding shotgun. It's late it's around twelve I it's after twelve twelve twenty twelve twenty three or so they're driving, and it turns out the decoy did not work as well as they want. The press is onto them. Picture people in motorcycles like. Hauling their Kice tres off and swerve in Tokyo drift style, while there's another person on the back of the motorcycle leaning out at weird right angles. Try to catch the catch the Mercedes in action hoping against hope that one of the tinted windows for some reason, roll down because if you can get these people's faces in a photograph, you have, you know, you have paid your rent for a month or so. You know what I mean? Because unlike the people in the Mercedes, they had jobs and mortgages, stuff like that. Did you guys remember the paparazzi mission, and that grand theft? Auto game. I think it was the one in Los Santos the most recent one. Yeah, you had to ride you had to do very similar stuff. It was like all about, you know, literally stalking. People on tailing them in cars writing alongside with motorcycle that you do in a game like that. But yeah, I mean it's really, really nasty stuff. Right. Yeah. Like more than just. Invasion of privacy, literally putting people at risk. Absolutely. Which comes into play later because the driver loses control on repeal loses control of the Mercedes at the entrance to the poem del alma tunnel. The car strikes the right hand wall of the tunnel. It swerves to the left of the two lane road before it collides head on with one of the pillars. I think the thirteenth pillars supporting the roof of the tunnel at this time, it's traveling about one hundred and five kilometers per hour, sixty five miles an hour. The reports will say between sixty and seventy the initial reports said one hundred and five miles per hour but surprise surprise. Somebody was lying to sell more papers and enclosed space no less. And that kind of speed as yet news you can see photographs of the Mercedes, and it looks ugly. You would think that everyone in their die. Died instantly, especially people in the front. Witnesses reported seeing smoke and there were ton of witnesses. They also reported that the area was swarming with photographers. And they were all over the car in motorcycles, and other other automobiles before the Mercedes enters the tunnel this meant that as the victims lay in the vehicle. The press actually arrives before any emergency services, and this is where this is where we can look at the media in a an antagonistic way because a lot of these folks, a lot of these photographers panic. They ran to the, the crash, you know, dropped their motorcycles run out of their cars, and they start tugging on the doors trying to save the lives of these again, human people who have just been in a terrible car accident. In other photographers stand back, waiting hoping against hope that someone pulls open that door of that Mercedes because sure you can pay rent for a month or two. If you get if you get someone's face in a photo. But if you get the face of dying, Princess, you might be set. I mean that might be a book deal for you. Yeah. Horrific yet, it's grim all around, because there's going to be hope you hope that there's a certain amount of guilt on anyone who was pursuing that vehicle once, once it crashes and the feeling of, oh, no, I need to help, what have I done kind of thing. But you're right, the self preservation in this self the desire to like you said, pay a mortgage, something we hit on early on in this. It's such a strong desire, strong need to, you know, pay for rent pay for whatever to survive that it overtakes, and that's what happens. Or maybe they were just there were just competitive cutthroat industry. They didn't want other people to get the shot could be that to either way police later go onto sees film from seven different photographers on the scene. Six of them are French, one of them's for Macedonia. The cops ultimately take twenty rolls of film, which have not been seen as morbid as it may sound. Kind of a good thing to have so many photographs snapped of a scene as it happened as it took place in terms of solving the, the coming out that it was any mystery as to what happened in terms of evidence that could be entered into, you know, that's a good. That's a very good point. You know, we don't know how much of it was kept from the public. We just have in this case of the confiscated stills, we just have the statements of the people who said their stuff was stolen, but there are a few images that you can find. Yes, there are there, are you can see the car when it's on the back of a tow truck. Yeah. We'll near a couple shots. This is the one. I'm just gonna show. Oh, there's a couple of shots in particular that looked to be from the car that is in front of their vehicle that shooting in, and you can see the driver. And Trevor REEs Jones. Yeah. And you can kind of see Princess Diana's, the back of her head. But you can see just from there. There's flash photography happening. In the vehicle in front of them. Yeah. Yeah. Flash photography. That's going to be it's going to be huge part too, because we have to remember this place in the late nineties. So, so what happens? We've got the scene of this car accident. Swarming with photographers, some helping some not and where the police. So it takes the police ten minutes to arrive, and then the ambulance five minutes after that. So fifteen minutes, and Henri, Paul and Dodie fed. We're both dead or dying. They died at the scene. Princess, Diana was conscious. And she was in shock. She was removed from the car at one AM. And when she was moved she went into cardiac arrest but was successfully resuscitate there on the scene. She was in the ambulance by one eighteen and left the scene around one forty one. And then finally, she made it to the hospital at around to six AM fired and Paul were both declared dead at the scene of the accident. Their bodies were not taken to a hospital. They were taken to a mortuary in Paris, the institute, medical league Al Diana's internal injuries. Although she looked relatively. Okay. On the exterior her internal injuries were. Extensive, her heart had been physically displaced to the right side of the chest from impact, and this tore, the pulmonary vein and the pericardium this means that, despite lengthy resuscitation attempts, including internal cardiac massage and emergency room work, the Princess of Wales passed away, at four A am on August thirty first an anesthesiologist named Bruno Rio announced her death at six AM at a news conference held at the hospital and thus it came to pass that by dawn bodyguard, Trevor REEs Jones was the only survivor of the accident. And as you could imagine an investigation ensued, a large investigation, and one person who will become one of the primary, I guess, sources of information and speculation after this. Is Mohammed al-fayed dodi's father? He he came forward. The game out publicly stated that his son Dodi and Diana were both murdered by the British Royal family, and he started using all of his influence to try and find whatever evidence he could find that this was the case. A billionaire is now facing the Royal family, which is honestly, going to be one of the few forces that would be affective in presenting a counter argument. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And eventually alpha totals up of around a hundred and seventy-five, very specific claims that support his belief that it was indeed an inside job by the Royal family. The French government follows up on each of fides claims. I'll fight its claims to the best of their ability. This quickly becomes the most expensive road. Accident investigation in all of French history counting the time before the invention of the automobile. Autopsy reports from the mortuary mentioned earlier found that the driver on re Paul had been impaired while operating the vehicle at point one seven five grams of alcohol per milliliter of blood. He was around three point five times over the legal limit for driving in France. Additionally, there were anti-depressants in his system, if you believe that autopsy, there was also paint on the car, which showed that the Mercedes had made grazing impact with a white vehicle later, identified partly due to the chemical composition of the paint as a Fiat Uno. This French judicial investigation last eighteen months. It concludes nineteen ninety nine and it says, here's what happens. We looked over what you're claiming Mr. L fed the crash was caused by the chauffeur on re Paul, he lost control of the vehicle at high speed. Because he was intoxicated. We have made a six thousand page report on this and someone's like. Oh, cool, publish it. And they're like known. Yeah. They never did. But British law has to be involved to this is a former member of the government, really so way, British law works is that requires an inquest to be held whenever there's a sudden or unexplained death. And this leads us to something called operation Paget, or operation piji, depending on you wanna go with the metropolitan police prepare report, eight hundred and thirty two pages long. This one is published. It's made available to the public, you can read it now it has sixteen chapters. It goes into what they seize the sixteen broad categories that all fighters raising when he says there's something wrong, they were essentially looking at the stuff that Alfie had said, would be inconsistent with an accident a pure chaotic interaction of chance and tragedy or consistent with 'em. I six having ordered the assassination and after this operation concluded the handed it over to. A British inquest and six years after demise. Michael Burgess, who was, then the coroner for the queen's household, the British queen's household held the inquest two thousand eight inquest wraps up a United Kingdom jury with eleven members finds that Anri Paul the driver of the Mercedes at the time of the crash was culpable due to his gross negligence. And that, yes, his blood alcohol level was cartoonish Lee, high three times, higher than a reasonable driver should have. Yup. And they also found that 'paparazzi specifically photographers were partially responsible for the fatal car accident by driving dangerously driving recklessly by possibly distracting already neabry aided driver with flash photography, which goes on to be incredibly important, the, the coroner for this was a guy, Lord Justice, Scott Baker, and he described these verdicts, as the equival. Of manslaughter in a criminal court, which is important. That means someone dies due to maybe negligence. Maybe don't have the best intentions for them, but you're not trying to kill them. At least it. Yes. In this case is the driver who wasn't trying to kill them as well as the paparazzi. So no one was, was like fully attempting to murder anyone. Right. That's what he's saying. Yeah. The French police cleared photographers of being directly linked to it. But again, the Royal court of Justice in London heard multiple eye-witnesses talk about blocking cars that were allegedly being used to try to slow down the Mercedes, or, or funnel it in the way like you funnel cattle to a slaughterhouse into certain routes that they could predict. They found the same thing, as far as the death of dough defy they said, you know, drunk driver, it's, it's dry. Driver. It's a tragedy. The paparazzi is unethical. But this is not murder. However, it should be no surprise that. Some people still believe there's more to the story quite a few people in Britain here in the US, Canada and around the world are convinced that the official explanation is either somehow inaccurate or purposely a cover up more than twenty years after the fact this conspiracy seems to continue growing it raises some fascinating points. We'll get to them afterward from our sponsor. Every two seconds. There's a new victim of identity theft, which means a criminal could be spending your money applying for loans in your name, and even damaging your credit. The good credit, you've worked so hard to build. It's true mad. Unfortunately, you can miss certain threats to your identity by just checking Bank statements and monitoring your credit. That's why it's a good thing. There's lifelock identity theft protection. Lifelock uses proprietary technology to detect in alert you to a wide range of identity threats like your social security number for sale on the dark web. 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She's no longer doing anything. She's not representing you anymore. Why would you wanna take her out of this is so game of thrones? There is the idea that Diana was secretly pregnant the dhoti fights kid as well as engaged to him. And that the British Queen was wait for it. Royally peo- by the idea of a Muslim child being associated with the family files a racist angle Tim, how. Yeah, right, right. Some somehow they were, there were like look. It's all well and good. We live in an integrated society, but no no Muslims in the. Her circle. There's not a lot of evidence to support that it's more like an attitude people assume the Royal family would have interesting. Then there's the one that Charles needed his ex wife dead to somehow clear, the way for this new marriage. And many these claims would have faded off of the mainstream radar probably were it not for dodi's father, Mohamed off. I Ed, he remains convinced to this day in two thousand nineteen that the British Royal family, or the forces under their command murdered, his son. There's something interesting here because, you know, we have to we have to be very human again, and remember that no parent should ever have to bury their child. So of course, you want to find reasons for such a horrific catastrophe to occur. So you'll hear people say, sometimes diplomatically, sometimes in, in a somewhat callous manner, that this man is just grasping at straws because he, he can't believe that something as simple in chaotic as an accident could have taken his child's life. But then. We see these strange breadcrumbs people have put together, and we're going to give you a couple of those to hear any hear what you think would love to hear from you afterwards, as well to let us in your fellow listeners know where where you find yourself in this story. Diana, Princess of Wales may have predicted her own death. At least that's what her former Butler Paul borough believes when he came forward in two thousand three he claimed that the Princess given him a note, a dated signed note, ten months before death as an insurance policy, who's written two months after her nineteen Ninety-six divorce from Chuck, Diana claimed in the note, she believed there was a plan for an accident in my car brake failure and serious head injury to clear the way for her ex husband to marry their son's nanny Tiggy Legge Bork. This letter is not universally accepted. It's got a lot of press came forward to book that the Butler wrote, but there are people who will claim that Berle as her longtime Butler newer handwriting. Well and was capable of four g. Yeah. In at that point. It's who do you believe? That's really what it comes down to. I wanted to ask you, you know. Would would DNA tests be worthwhile on that thing because I would assume it doesn't necessarily prove anything, since there were probably in close contact that that's interesting in whoever is handled it since then who knows how it was kept. But also, you know, handwriting analysis, I've actually seen a full investigation into it. Yeah, yeah, that's true. There are other. There are other big claims to we when they just the last thing with that is that just because she was she had some fears about her ex husband with this other person does not mean that. He killed her for this reason. I don't it. It's one of those tough, it's, it's a tough thing because her personal belief. Yes. Is there even if it was her sincere personal belief, it doesn't mean that that's what happened? Yeah. Exactly. That's a fantastic point. I think that's something that many of us accidentally glaze over. But if we're thinking, critically than we have to we have to knowledge that will also have to acknowledge a lot of the I would say the bulk of the conspiratorial claims on all sides part concern secret connections to 'em. I six the intelligence services. His argument is essentially that the Royal family wanted his, his son, and, and Princess Diana dead. But the, you know, the queen's not going to be out there with a sniper rifle, you know, Prince Charles is gonna show up in like a weird. Mac or something or tires. So they say m I six did their dirty work while. Yes in. Let's just let's game here really fast. If you are going to murder, a former Princess and her lover, you cannot make it not look like an accident because it will be such a high profile case immediately. No matter how the death occurs. If, if you were going to take out a Princess or royalty, you'd have to make it look like an accident. Yeah. So that's, that's one of the other big things that comes into play here because you got people talking about. I mean, spies literally, like the, the British people paying basically with their taxes to have the Princess murder. But are there any theories surrounding like it with the paparazzi were plants and they were trying to distract the driver and trying to force them off the road? Like do we have any concrete was there? You know, supposedly any manipulation done with the car, and he like tampering with I've never really seen anything like any of those claims we'll the claim is you don't have to tamper with the car. If you've got the driver on your payroll, right? That that's that's when he goes back to repeal. And do you know did he or did he not have any kind of context with the world of intelligence or with, you know, people who conduct espionage, yet, theorist, as well as his friends, and people who personally knew him will claim that he had extensive contacts in the world of intelligence and spycraft, and they'll claim this because of the nature of his employment at the Ritz the Ritz is. A place where important people hang out. It's good to have access there behind the curtain. Was he in the pay of an intelligence agency, the evidence to support this theory, or the that purports to support this theory comes mainly from an unusual amount of money that was found in his possession at the time of his death as well as his personal wealth, which doesn't people will argue he makes more money than his position would imply. And then the argument falls, he was essentially framed for this or possibly drugged or had the results of his autopsy doctored up. Sorry, couldn't help it. So the idea that he was not drunk of his own volition, that he was not drunk of his own free will. Right. Right. So another a and his, his friends and family said he liked to beer, but he you know, he would love to have a night on town with the boys, but he wasn't like a problematic drinker. Another allegation concerns, the reliability of the blood tests. We're carried out the French investigators conclusion that he was drunk was made on an analysis of blood samples. And this was according to a September nineteen ninety seven report a British pathologist hired by challenged these results and the French authorities carried out more tests, but every time they said we see that he is at approximately three three and a half times over the limit and taking antidepressants. That's the thing this is a point counterpoint opinion war between Alfie had and the French government or as he would say the Royal family, there's another, there's a more interesting angle, though, than Anri, Paul. We're not gonna get the answers that, but maybe we can find out more from Richard Tomlinson. Very interesting. Character reminds me of some of the kind of wild west. Oh, SSD. We talked about with the US intelligence services Tomlinson worked for 'em. I six he was a he's someone who gave testimony to the French inquiry in may of nineteen ninety nine he said, under oath mind, you m I six was involved in the crash. The security service has documentation which will help you figure out what's going on. You have to ask them. Furthermore, I believe that Anri Paul was working for security services. Maybe my sex, I don't know there were working for someone one of the spook squads, and that this Trevor REEs Jones guy was a contact for British intelligence. He goes on to say, m I six was monitoring Diana before her death. He told Mohammed Al fi Ed himself that on repulse was a mix agent. And he said to the guy, he said, I'll fed the death of Princess Diana and yourself. Son mirrors plans. I saw a few years ago back in nineteen Ninety-two for the assassination of then president of Serbia Slobodan Milosevic, the used a Strobe light to blind his chauffeur that was their plan while and it's crazy to you're talking about the Strobe light idea that image, you were talking about earlier in the show, that is presumably, one of these 'paparazzi images that was taken through the front windshield of the car credibly close. It does look like you can see the flash bulb in the driver's eyes, but he also has a very odd look on his face. Like a little doped up. Looking. Yeah, I would concur with with your assessment there. It definitely feels strange. You gotta remember that the lens could be, you know, pretty telephoto. So they couldn't maybe the vehicle isn't as close as it appears. But that flash and that's the big thing here. The flash is troublesome, no matter how. Our way they are if it's coming directly in front of them. And if you're a photographer, if you know anything about photography, you probably wouldn't use a flash in that situation. Would you what do you think from that far away? Like, why would you use a flash in a tunnel like I guess you would if you're moving really fast, you might need to use a flash to get to, to capture an imaging have be blurry still seems odd to use it from so far away on blasts because if you're shooting through a window flash is going to reflect and mess up your shot, right? But ultimately, your goal is to eliminate the interior of the vehicle. Right. So initially my six doesn't doesn't Dane, this worthy of response, but a source in my six later confirms that there were in fact, this is interesting. Here's their problem. With with the guys does ROY, they say. No. Of course, we had no plans for that our own government cleared us after their investigation in this guy is lying about this. Crazy cockamamie plan to cause car accidents through Strobe light weaponization, then, like, oh, you never did that. And they're like, well yeah we did. But it wasn't was slow Dom, Milosevic so clear. You can't believe this guy at all. That was that was the different sketchy European do that. We were trying to kill. Anyway. This interview was over so Tomlinson's claims were never officially corroborated. It's just off the record 'em. I six and alleged at my six members back them up. However, he was imprisoned in nineteen Ninety-seven for breaking the official secrets act. He sent us NOP sees of a book that he wanted to write about his career with my six to an Australian publisher. He served six months of a one year sentence, got paroled and then immediately skipped the country the inquiry concluded by dismissing his claims they said it was an embellishments not alive, but in Bella Schmidt. And he said, they said Furthermore is embellished -ment is dangerous because. It's one of the primary reasons people have these theories, still that the. The British elite murdered. One of their own Tomlinson was also arrested by French authorities in two thousand six when they were doing their inquiry into the death. French police at the time seized computer files in a personal papers from his home in can. And then eventually kind of he kind of got away. They said he wasn't worth prosecuting in two thousand seven he went ahead and publish the book, the big breach people describe him as kind of Oregon JAMES BOND, esque character, yet, say that seems about right based and everything we now, so he was allowed to return to Britain in two thousand nine get royalties from his book. They dropped the threat of charges against him as long as he had sort of a gentlemen's agreement to stop exposing the skeletons in the m I six closet is like they were like stopped talking to the press. Stop talking about your old job. Which, you know, naturally leads us to conclude, they probably had something on them. You know what I mean? They didn't know what else he might have. Absolutely. Because they basically just said, just leave it alone. We'll leave you alone. Let you stop. That's crazy. Let's let's do one. Let's do one more thing. Okay. You say one more thing. Let's talk about that Fiat you mentioned heck. Yeah. Fiat Uno that wife. Now, white paint real smoke show. Those. It's funny, whenever I see white Fiat imprint I can't help but think of the Starbucks beverage, the flat white because it looks like flat on paper. That's an I didn't know that was a flat white. No. Is it just milk? Now. It's like a spread show with milk on top of those a little dot of milk, kind of couch. What about that WI fi? Will there were witnesses who were there, obviously, there are a lot of people who are in that tunnel at the time, and seven of them said they saw a white, Fiat Uno, the one we mentioned earlier that may or may not have made contact with vehicle, and a motorcycle speeding out of the tunnel just seconds after after the crash. And there was a lot of testing afterwards, the forensics, basically confirmed that a white Fiat Uno collided with the Mercedes carrying Diana, Dody, and everyone else. And this collision was definitely a significant factor in the crash now. That's big. Yeah, that's really big. And then there are other eyewitnesses who told police that they saw powerful flash of light just seconds before the crash before the not the crash itself. Like impact flash impact flash thing about it this way. Flash swerve impact. Right. Which is, you know, that blinding that we were talking about, which it, most certainly would in a darkened tunnel like that. If you. Had essentially headlights coming right out, you all of a sudden, there would be a blinding effect. Here's the thing. The police say they have been unable to locate either the vehicles either the Fiat or the motorcycle or identify the drivers or the passengers. However, there's a guy John Paul, James and insulin who is closely associated with his wife Fiat. Oh, and we should we should point out. They might sound strange that we're able to find a specific make model of car based just on a pigment. They were able to find that because it was a factory pigment from Fiat. So they're able to match samples and the other there are things like that, that are occurring all over manufacturing these days where you could easily identify a certain vehicle assertain table, even or a pencil, or any of that still print out ransom notes on your printer and you're supposed to use this magazine cutouts. That's what you're supposed to do any print. Or that I any printer that you can commercially buys going to have identifying pixels that are that are there for reason, year-olds probably slightly better place that they're there. I'm not totally against it to be honest only slightly slightly slightly. But, but so back to this guy. James Anderson, John, Paul James Anderson. He is linked with this his linked with this white Fiat, people who believe there was a conspiracy. No homicide are convinced that he was intimately involved with this. He had been threatening to write an expose an explosive book. He had links with the secret service. Apparently he met with an author named Frederick Dard to discuss this book. He said, would blow the lid off a conspiracy, and then he was found in a torched car allegedly with two bullet wounds in his head. Wow. And the authorities ruled that it was suicide. Okay. Dart also died torch your own car. You mean the man. Yeah. So the so he and the author both died. Yes. Yep. And Mohammed al-fayed urged police to reopen the investigation into an essence death. But at this point it didn't happen. And, you know, this, this story goes on and on and on, like, the, the British public. If you're listening to this in the United Kingdom, you are a member of the most one of the most heavily surveilled populations on the planet. There are more closed circuit television cameras or CCTV camps in the UK per person than there are anywhere else on the planet. So why didn't these catch more of the accident? That's when I'll fides questions. It's a fair question. The problem is, that's that number we just gave you about the, you know, being the most highly observed or surveilled. It's, it's tricky. It's number of cameras per. A person. But most of those are private. So they're not looking out on the street. They're looking out at the door of the business. The off licence or whatever which is their name for liquor stores that I that, you know, so that they can identify a burglar, they're not there to monitor traffic, the traffic monitors come much later and we're still talking nineteen Ninety-seven so that you're absolutely right. So without without going into the entire, we would have to do a miniseries, on all the screw things about this tragedy, thou- going into it entirely after say, still this one big problem with this, which is that there are other more certain ways to kill anyone. Yeah. That wouldn't be plastered all over the news and have a gazillion photographs of it. What do you mean why an airplane crash? But okay. Yeah. There would still be photos everywhere, but you wouldn't be able to prove it would be it would be easier to. Just say owes an accident. I guess, maybe or I mean you know, the classic tales oldest time movie devices fake somebody suicide, there was strife in this relationship, they could have written off a Princess Di suicide. Yeah. See, I don't know execute someone with bullets in a car, and then burn that vehicle. I'll such not instill load, as weird as the guy who got who got his fix a locked up in a duffel bag. Yeah. Suicide. Suicide is is a huge costs at death for intelligence service operatives into peers. But a but yeah, I, I wonder about that, too. It seems a little bit not not to be automatically dismissive. It seems I blush kinda rube Goldberg esque, you know, unnecessarily complicated. It's why play mouse trap. Why introduce all these other variables? There are other people on the street. It's a public street. Why flash Strobe lights or other devices that people just in the hopes that there's a chance that it causes an accident? And then Furthermore hope that there's a chance that of the four people in the car, one of the ones who dies will be the person, you are, quote, unquote, trying to get like I, I can see the sides of this, and I can see how the details are screwy. But what do you guys think I'm definitely with you Arkan's razor? Pretty darn strong with this just the, the pressure that the proper he was putting on, on the driver, who was intoxicated, or at least. His, his blood, especially when they tested his eye fluid because originally they were testing just, you know, blood they took blood test after blood out. Oh, but they knew they were using the I forget, what they call us now ocular fluid, but it's your eyes and that gave an even truer or in in even harder to fake or introduce like falsely alcohol. Right. Because of the way it travels through the capillaries and everything to get to your eye. Anyway. Once once that occurred, you can all in my mind, he was definitely drunk, the driver. And the paparazzi were definitely taking flash photographs and they were definitely speeding and you put all that together in my mind, you get accident. And that to me is really all you need. However, I it's not that I'm not intrigued by some of the some of the claims. Ed had. They all, though seem to be coming or stemming from that Tomlinson character has still has these. He's ghost apologies. It's like you said, Ben, I mean, it's the grief manifest itself in all kinds of ways. And like you said, not one of them can be I need someone to blame for this, and you can it can become an obsession. Sometimes there's something at the other end of that session, who sometimes it's just an obsession. And it's like you're chasing ghosts. You know, you're punching it shadows. It also with regardless of what we think about this personally. It also absolutely does not help that for all all. Virtual practical. Forget it all literal purposes though, Royal family is above the law. You know what I mean? Yeah. There are no consequences. And the, you know, if if the PR turns bad for them, they can just have like a Meghan Markle takeover, the celebrity news for a while. And then some of the underlings in m I six will, you know will take the fall for it. Yeah. This is life without consequences. That's so it's, it's pretty. Absolutely doesn't mean that they were like, hey, why let's fake a suicide? And then it doesn't mean it's when turn rows. Like that's be weird with it, it just means that it just means that, unlike the vast majority of people on these this planet, they would not go to jail for murder, they just wouldn't they would have plausible deniability, Nevada. Roy, m I five and in my six do have licenses to kill remember. We did it episode on that, that was really depressing. Just a clever catchphrase. Yeah. Turns out and we're different. But thank you for checking out our show today, folks. 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Warriors, Rockets Writers Talk Game 1

Warriors Off-Court

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Warriors, Rockets Writers Talk Game 1

"Welcome to the fifty eighth episode of warriors awkward, the San Francisco. Chronicle's NBA podcast. I'm your host his beer at or Connor Letourneau and damned drummer Jonathan Fagin the Houston Chronicle's rockets be rag big has been covering the rackets for more than two decades. After the war is one hundred four hundred win over Houston in game one of the Western Conference semi-finals cut up an oracle Rena about Steve Kerr's decision to start the Hamptons five James Harden's, frustrations with -ficiating, the rockets, polarizing plain style and much much more. We'll have our conversation Brad after the break. Hi, I'm Kim Kaufman and shoes your century, not your century. It's a daily podcast where we celebrate the news and the newspapers of days gone by give us a few minutes every weekday. We'll tell you a story. And then we'll return you to yours. Several hours after the final buzzer sounded on the warriors game on win Jonathan Fagin. I chatted in a spare room next oracle Rina's media room. I'm here in the bowels of oracle Renova, Jonathan Fagin the much acclaimed rockets beat writer for the Houston chronicle do fancier work Jonathan. It's awesome to to kind of work in partnership during the series. A lot of the San Francisco. Chronicle stuff is running in the Houston. Chronicle in your stuff is running our paper. Really interesting game today. A lot happened. Lots of dive into first of all what was your biggest takeaway from the rockets last two that probably that this was one they should have gotten that. A lot of things went the way they would need to the rockets to win it oracle. The warriors turnovers not getting a whole lot of of scoring real good shooting from Qurion Thompson, the quick turnaround. Though, current Thomson having give ankles. That's a lot of things that the rockets really this was a chance to get a lead in the series. And they didn't do it. The probably they're going to have to play great to get a win Tuesday or enough wins in this series. It to beat a team like the words, but really to win almost any playoff series. You gotta get one or two when you're not playing real. Well, well, this was one they had they not they didn't have the win not even close to that. But you avenue to get there was right there, and they're gonna leave here with loss and not really a need to get on Tuesday. And it's even kinda more paramount for them to get a win at oracle. Because as you know, the warriors are actually better on the road for whatever reason they've been much better throughout the season on the road, both their losses in the first round were at home. I think they need that urgency oftentimes they need that that hostile environment. The. Thing is the wears actually came out tonight, and they played with as much effort as I've seen them play within a very long time to me Steve in a big statement to the to the rockets really the whole league when he came out and started the Hamptons five, you know, moving moving Andrew bogut out at starting lineup and moving Andre Iguodala into small forward moving. Kevin Durant power forward and Draymond green center. Basically, that's something. That's that's sort of a last resort for the worse when things aren't going well in the playoffs Steve will lean on that lineup. But for him to come out in game one of the series and start that group says that they're very aware of how tough the rockets are. And I think they're a little nervous that they could lose the search. I think there was a message to the warriors by doing that. I think they know what Steve's thinking when he as you did, you know? Even if they didn't know they could read your stuff, and then they'll so they knew what that meant. I think it's also just pragmatic that all right? We we got clay little bit of a gimpy ankle. We don't there's not a power forward. It's not as if I'm going to post up Kevin Durant and go, no, no rockets aren't gonna do that. So this way you get. It would all on harden and Draymond has to be Draymond which he was great the rockets need to punish that a little bit with Clint cappella he he just had an awful game getting two shots. Two free throws. You know, the rockets missed is a little off the top of my head. I believe the rockets missed forty three shots. They got three offensive rebounds with the warriors going with a small lineup. Most the game. You're not relying on offense rebounds, but forty three miss shots. And you can get the rebound of three of them the centers Neneh and clink cappella played for about forty one minutes, and they combined for one of of rebound rockets have to in some way or another punish that lineup. Otherwise, just letting them put their five best players on the court, and you want there to be some, you know, you gotta give something up to get something. We'll have to give up anything to do that. And I think that's on the rockets to be more forceful, not just physically forceful. But in the way, they execute offensively to take into that yet, you know, when I was previewing this series. I picked the warriors win the series which went against a lot of my colleagues believe a lot of people that I talked to felt like the rockets could win this series. And the biggest reason why I picked the warriors was because I like the warriors defensive options on Kerr's Pau. And James harden, they have some. Great permanent offenders in Andrea dollar and Klay Thompson, who's stork leave actually been pretty good at making life difficult on those guys. They also have come on loony who can switch up all screens and pick up those guys. But I'm not sure that without Trevor Reza, the rockets have anyone who can really give Durant. A lot of trouble NO PJ, Tucker, the solid. Fender historically has had some good games against Durant. But I just feel like the Trevor REEs alas was huge. The rag is what do you think? I don't agree at all. No, I ever Gordon's probably a better defender than Trevor is at this stage of Trevor's career, not the same Trevor's much longer Gordon on quickness is better PJ's done as well or better on rant which you know, how much do you do on Durant. He's getting his shot on anybody. But PJ makes them work forward. He takes away some of the positions on the floor. You know to Durant doesn't just get to go wherever he wants to go 'cause Tucker so strong and really defensively the rockets at were good in the last series. And they were good tonight. That wasn't an issue. I mean, the rockets have failed to score more than one hundred six straight playoff games against the warriors. I I don't think you're gonna win a whole series trying to win one hundred to ninety nine. I don't think it's that you you hold the warriors one hundred and four points in a game where you give up. What was it three teen? Yeah. Three ts. And so. So defensively. That's the least. Yeah. Durant is thirty five. He's durant. Right. He can do that to anybody. And he's peaking. He's absolutely. If not I'll pass five. No, they don't let PJ Tucker takeout folding chair in swing it. He's composed up some numbers. And so no, I don't think it's because they're missing a defensive player when they're playing extremely well defensively. When you're not scoring one hundred against the warriors urine trouble. They and that's to me. And in fact, that's why I picked the warriors in seven, but because James harden did not shoot well in the jazz series. The rockets did not score well for three straight games. The rockets did not have the trouble in the second half of the series against the warriors last year. I just wasn't sure they were gonna score enough to to win enough high scoring games. And I don't think there's going to be enough low scoring games. I think it's just really hard to count on winning ugly often again. The warriors. What you what did you think of hardens comments post game? Obviously he was upset with the lack of foul calls Pacific on his step back. Three. Did Tony was upset as well. And then when asked about it a game Draymond green kind of bristled at that. And said I've been filed by James harden on that three which I think a lot of players in the league can kind of echo or relate to did you feel like the rocket should have gotten a better whistle tonight. Well, a lot of plays in the game. But I mean there were few in the first half that were incredibly obvious the one that jumps to mind Klay Thompson to half minutes left in the first half. And it really doesn't matter. What I think because the reps think the refs messed up if we believe that you know, hardened dantonio. Yeah. The ref said we missed four Joe Borja the vice president of officiating said yet, they missed it. They showed that one on clay and said, yeah, they missed it. So. I mean, I'm not sure who's arguing if the refs think the refs missed it. They probably missed it. So and they were pretty obvious few that were realize what I'm not clear on with the rockets arguing the last three where James does sort of throw out his legs somewhat more jut out his legs while he's up in the air. Draymond does come a little bit towards him. But not it's not as Oz. Co I play, but he does come towards him. And he turns and Joe Bosia in that same video sad that's close. But I would lean more towards no foul. Well, I'm not sure that's the one the rockets were complaining about hardened didn't get up. Now granted the refer seconds left in the game. It's probably not the time to argue. But he didn't get up and look at the officials. He didn't gesture I think they were more upset with those and a couple others earlier in the four in the first half and then a couple others earlier in the second half. But yet. Missed him. You know, there is no question. You can't step under guys anymore in this league. You have to give room to land. There saw the rockets will have a long list of things they did not do well enough to win, you know. So they cannot blame the officials that doesn't mean that in miss those certain calls as apparently they said a lot of tonight. I kept looking at a box score throughout the game in and saying to myself, how is this game as close as it is because the warriors were shooting, really? Well, obviously, the the rockets were not I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that James harden was thirteen for fourteen from the foul line. Obviously they got killed on the boards. But this was a weird game for the warriors in the sense that usually when they have a bunch of turnovers they were those those are the nights that they lose and they had twenty turnovers, and they still want which is unique do what? You think about you know, the fact that the rockets weren't able to capitalize better on the fact the warriors played relatively sloppy tonight. Yeah. That's kind of where we started is that twenty turnovers shouldn't get away with that twenty turnovers in one hundred and four hundred game why have been super high paced game, and it's a hundred and thirty five to one hundred thirty one but twenty turnovers in this paced game that's rockets had such an opportunity supposed to win that game. You know? And that's why when you're looking at the box thing why is this game close. Well, that's why I don't think so much the free throws the rockets had twenty nine the warriors put up twenty four not including the technicals. Twenty seven to twenty nine including the technicals. That's pretty pretty even. It's not like you stayed in it as we've seen a lot of rocket games where well, yeah. But looking at many free throws they took. That's how the not so much today 'cause they took almost the same number. But yet the rockets the the warriors shot so well, but more than the rockets taking advantage of the turnovers though, they did a little bit. It's the warriors didn't get more shots up because of the turnovers, otherwise if they get money more shots and still hit fifty percent. And also the warriors do not shoot three's all that. Well, that's the other thing that kept the rockets in the game few spurts with rocket shot threes. Well, most of the game they shot him badly less than thirty percent that a couple spurts that kept them in the game where the warriors didn't have a good three point shooting game at all. And you know, cut Thompson curry were not Thompson incurring from three point line. And so another reason why the rockets have to think oh my gosh. What an opportunity lost awesome. Rivers. Obviously injured how serious exactly is that injury. It was ill actually are L sire. Yeah. Do you think he'll be back Bruno's? It could be one of those twenty four hour stomach virus things, I'm told. It was not a close. Call would have been not good to see him on the court. It was if we've all been there, but you know, one of those were just real Austin's, really tough guy. And yet they missed. I mean their bench was not good joke. Green made multiple defensive mistakes, which led to the rockets to really cut back on his minutes. And so if you have a good Enio Daniel house is virtually a rookie. He's not a rookie, but he's opposed season rookie, and you know, there was a lot to ask of him. Although he played pretty much the same minutes. But Austin sorta helps that second unit defensively so much that they missed him. It's not a reason you lows, but they missed him. Obviously we've heard for eleven months now the rockets of a run it back. You know, they they this is kind of been there Montreal season leading into this potential series as potential showdown. I think it came around earlier than a lot of us initially expected how big of a series is this for the rockets. I mean beyond the obvious. I mean, these think that Chris Paul looks at this series is his real chance to avenge some of his own failure throughout his career. You know, it's kind of funny. I've talked about this several times that he does any doesn't in a way because he's had so many this is the chance no way out. This one is the now this is the chance that he has sort of learned to just say take each one for what it is. And then go on with his life, regardless of what happens where as opposed to this defines my career 'cause he's been let down so many times with by injury or losses that he he's got a perspective on it. Now, he wants bad he's incredibly competitive guy to begin with. He really wants. He wants to be able to at some point say he wants to win a championship and be able to say on the same guy as when you guys thought I couldn't I'm I'm just a smarter player. Just as talented. I know this game as well. As I did before I want it just sometimes the brakes, go your way he wants to win and be. Able to say that. So he wants it bad. But I think through practice he sort of learned to keep things a little bit perspective. If it doesn't go that way. What's the dynamic like between him and harden are they friendly? Do you think they understand each other on a level very much? So yeah, they've clicked always, you know, they get along they get on each other in joking ways. But also, they'll yell at each other as what PJ Tucker, I don't know that they hang as much as say Tucker in hardened might. But and then harden also has his guys he's got few guys around all the time. But now they've always gotten along. Really? Well, this was a partnership they chose this was not a forced marriage arranged marriage. May they designed to get together? So no. And you know, Chris has empowered James to go be Jane's, it Chris's not saying on the point guard, you playoff the ball. No. He's totally powered James to do. What he did this here you, obviously. Gene every game. This team has played for many years. How how many years now have you been on the twenty one? Wow. Okay. So as someone who only watches this team really on a regular basis when they play the warriors. What are you? What do you think of their salve play? And do you ever for lack of a better term? Just get tired of watching it because it just it's so kind of predictable and that and that sort of thing, you know, there's different things I like about it in dislike than most people talk about probably because I do see every game. I I love the way harden in Paul see the game in the way, they can manipulate the defense to create the open shot for someone else in the past that then leads to that. It's remarkable hardens lobs that come from so many different ways with passes into the corner and both of them impulse on this forever. I enjoy. That I don't and I don't even mind. The harden dribbled too. Possessions, I've gotten so used to that it doesn't even bother me. Although I understand why it bothers others. You know, that was an anathema to what we're all taught is way to play gotten so used to it. I don't like when either they are hunting the switch or they get the switch. And now, it's let's me ender out to mid court here and will sort of look like it's the family reunion basketball game. An okay six the shot clock. Here we go news. It just drives me crazy. I've seen it so many times. And today was a problem. I think today you gotta play with way more pace in the half court that no you got the switch go attack. It you can attack twelve seconds. You don't have to wait until it's six and just they well James does it all the time. And it's just I don't get it. And I think it certain things when you see it so often there's things that just sorta get annoying like the guy at the next cubicle at work was really. Not that bad. But you sort of get tired of them. You know, that's the one that I would point to. Yeah. No. And I asked that for a lot of my Twitter, followers, are always, you know, pining and bemoaning I should say, the the rockets playing style, but kind of looking ahead here, do you? How do you see the rockets adjusting after what you described as a blown opportunity to? Lift to get cappella involved more. Maybe you run more picking role in an attack early earned the clock end if not cappella, then whatever the words have to do to take that away should open up other things unless you waiting till is just a couple of seconds left in the clock. And then there's no time for the pass. And then the next and the next best. And so I think that they have to play with greater pace and tempo in the half court. It would be good if they could do it in the open court to but in the half court. You can't be in the last six seconds of the shot clock as often as they were. I mean, they were spending a lot of the game playing beat clock. I think that's not much of an adjustment. People. Think of it more as lineup, sir. Play calls. But to me is a correction that they do need to make defensively. I don't see a lot that they need to do differently. They got lucky in some ways that Steph didn't shoot better. But it doesn't mean you change the defense on them. You know that he and Claire and clay, you know, they both can hit threes all not better than that. Clay had some good open looks and Steph had Steph looks where some of them are real open. But obviously he knocks those down a lot. And he missed a hint fifteen until he had the last three in less than thirty seconds left. You'd fifteen in twenty four seconds left any hit a three over ninety. And maybe that was one we're dantonio may be I don't wanna say overreacted because the rockets have been so bad on the board so often so he played nanny there to just try and get rebounds. And so all right. Maybe that was mistake with Steph hits the three over him. But if he's not on the court, maybe they have the second shot. So it's trying to make up for something that wasn't going. Well, the thing rockets have to rebound. Better too. It's not just they got three offensive rebounds. But how many times you just get a clean defensive rebound in the fourth quarter? Just force a miss you. Get a stop you. Get the rebound you're in the open court. Now, they're battling Ford the words getting a hand on it Neva. If it is rockets ball now, you're inbounding instead of the open court, they got to do that better too. And the warriors aren't particularly good offensive rebounding team. I mean that is a category that I feel like they're losing almost every game and yet still winning games. So you would think that there's some room for the rockets privenet department for sure it'll be interesting to see I expect the warriors not not to necessarily change a lot. Obviously the big thing that they're gonna try to harp in the next day or so is limiting the bad passes there a couple passes tonight today where the guy would pass the ball to someone that wasn't even looking at the you know, like it would just bounce off the guy. Body like reminded me of CYO basketball, where you know, you're not even paying attention to what's happening in the place. So they can cut down on those limit the turnovers. I think they like a lot of what they were doing. They were moving the ball. Pretty well. They were getting everyone involved an openly clay Thompsons ankles, fill the better. I think as part of the reason why he didn't necessarily sheet the ball. Great today is nursing pretty bad ankle sprain. You know, those things come together. I think the warriors are going to begin shape. I expect him to stick with that Hamptons five lineup going forward by with a good thing. They got off to a pretty good start today. But I think what you're seeing what you saw from the warriors today is just all they really need more than anything is they need to be locked in any feel challenge that I think more than anything the rockets provide that they feel truly threatened by the rockets in the way in a way that they have it all season. Yeah. Something. Tony has referred to as appropriate fear, and he was talking about that in the jazz series, which the rockets off of is saying is sounds like Papa I think I've heard him said dente used last series because the rockets won the first two games in blowouts in. So how do you know manufacturer that appropriate fear again, I think that might be strong way to put it for the warriors. 'cause devolves the word fear. But you're right. You know that phrase old Tom does they feel challenged that this is a good challenger for them? But you know, I just I don't think the rockets were playing real. Well, even though the previous round went five games, the three games, you know, America. I don't know how they won game three. I mean, kind of do but game five they lost game four when Mitchell kinda crazy and then they want ugly and game five. And now they they reached a hundred here. And so they gotta play better. They got played better in so many ways. And they know that they talked about that. But all the attention Goto. They spoke about the officials. You know? Okay. They did be a big narrative the next there too. It will be and somebody asked maybe it was you s Draymond you change. If there's going to be all this attention on not stepping under shooters, you become more wary of doing that. And he said, no, of course, he said, no. But it will be interesting to see if that gets called the first time it happens. It will be well Jonathan I really appreciate you. Joining me really great to have you on the pod. And hopefully, we can do this waiter in the series. I have a feeling this might go bass four five, maybe even six games. So it'd be fun. Yeah. I have no idea what to expect on the series. Now, if the rockets had gotten the wind today, you're thinking I mean, it's silly to say just one win would make but you're thinking okay six or seven game series. Now, they gotta do something or could be tough. You're you don't. You don't wanna get even fits home? You don't wanna go home down to you know, they they need not only try. I mean need to get a win. Of course every game the plastic need win. But I think they're going to need play. Great and get a win. Now. Jonathan vacant for joining me on the podcast. So he's picking his brain about the rockets. Where's off course? Part of the San Francisco Chronicle podcast network. Audrey Cooper is editor in chief. If you like the show, we'd love it. If you subscribe to it wherever you get your podcast, if you got a minute to give us quick review that helps us build our audience. 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Can the NBA Return Safely?

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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Can the NBA Return Safely?

"They are sports illustrate made incredible body of or I really appreciate the integrity. Is Well on. Great job. We Love IT Luckily Bank Keys Kris menace. These employed by sports illustrated. The announcers got it informed. This is the crossover NBA podcast. You have a problem with it. Build a team that can beat of hosted by the one and. Thank God mannix. Looking back crossover NBA podcast. We are now officially weeks away from the NBA returning, and it's certainly not returning under the most seamless of circumstances. The League of course dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, still raging in Florida and look their players withdrawing for variety of reasons to talk about that and much more. Let's bring Jeff Zillow. Senior NBA, writer over USA Today does a great job of them. Cover the League for a Very Long Time Jeff. How are you my friend? Chris I try to answer. This question is finding off and trying to keep proper perspective with everything. That's going on yeah I mean there are. There are a lot worse things to be doing, or that could be happening than wondering about the future of an NBA season, so we're lucky in that respect but. Man There is there is a lot to talk about though in the last couple of days. We're recording this late. Wednesday afternoon so if something happens in the early mornings on Thursday. Forgive us, but I want to dive into I the issue. Jeff of the NBA, going to Florida itself I, mean the League at this point the way it was described to me by a couple of people at the NBA is almost too big. Big To fail at this point that they are going to charge ahead with this plan into Florida, despite the fact, that Florida is recording record numbers of covid nineteen cases. The Orange County area specifically is recording record numbers of covid nineteen cases. That area of course is where Orlando is located. We're Disney. World is located. So Alaska this, Jeff. Do you think that the NBA and the season starting is almost too big fail? While I don't know the answer quite yet to that Chris but. To Your Poi-. They are charging ahead ad whenever I talk to people at bring up the numbers that you just mentioned are rising a settling rice number of cases, but the positive rate is also increasing its in double digits I think the latest. In Orange County seventeen percent of the test coming back, Aspen. which just two weeks ago I think in Orange County. It was five percent on, but every time I bring those stats up to anyone associated with the NBA The I. Get back is that they just feel real confident in their ability to isolate themselves in this sooner bubble of our campus environment that they're calling a while understanding that they have to take some risk if they want to play and acknowledging that. That you know it, all likelihood, either players or staffers, essential personnel are going to test positive, and they're just banking at the idea with the amount of chesty and procedures they have in place for health and safety that they're going to minimize those cases and avoid any kind of serious outbreak that impacts lots of players or watson players out one team or a handful of stars at one cheap and. I ultimately, that's the risk. They're willing to take. Get A. I can't blame either side for what the to go that route at the same token. You don't even from asset at this pandemic always wondered if they would be able to pull it off, Yeah Jeff I've heard a lot of the same things from League officials when I've had these conversations where I've pushed back is. Using the other sport I cover as a point of reference, cover, boxing and top rank. The boxing promoter has been in Las Vegas for several weeks now. They have created a bubble. They have created very detail protocols. They're working with one of the better state commissions in Nevada. That you know signed off on these protocols, and they have been plagued literally since day one by infections, and you know potential false positives and also issues that have caused some major disruptions in their ESPN televise shows, and I pointed out to NBA. Officials like top rank has one hundred fifty people basically most in their bubble. At one time you're going to have well over a thousand inside that bubble, and not only that, but you're going to have people coming in and out of that bubble Disney employees that are not tested that are given temperature checks and asked about symptoms now. Per that hundred thirteen page memo which I finally digested after about a week and a half. You know. Those employees are not going to directly interact with anybody that is under official quarantine. There'll be six feet away, but we both know that is an how things usually work. I mean that's not you know things can happen. Things can spread things change. I just Look Jeff I. Hope I'm wrong. I really do like I'm not trying to be a naysayer here, but I don't know how. The NBA avoids a mass outbreak. Clear they're going to have some positives and one thing. The League is doing that is better than boxing is that when somebody tests positive? They're not going to immediately sideline GONNA. Give him a second test to make sure that that positive test is valid which boxing really needs to do because they're losing too many fights to potential false positives, but even with that safeguard I have legitimate concerns that we won't see. A team wiped out by three four five positive tests that would effectively eliminate them. The team would still go on Jeff. Put per the League rules based isolate these players for ten to fourteen days and. That's that's a playoff series right there so I have real concerns, Jeff that we're going to have a kind of a bizarre postseason where teams are effectively limited by the corona, virus. Look I think we're already having bizarre postseason away. It's lined up and then with the scenario that you're laying out. It could even get were bizarre and again I'm not one of these guys who, from the onset to said well the winner of the championship, the shares could have astras. I do think it's going to be difficult for a team to win a title in completely different way. They haven't played since. March eleven your ass to Julie now battling play, but Playa highly competitive level. Try Win a championship. What in the city where you're talking about Let's just forget a t, but let's just say it's a championship contender and. You're much three or four players test positive. Then they're out in those three or four players are at least rotation players, if not, you know key players of. It's impossible to expect that team to advance out of the next round, and that's when I start to wonder about well. Are we really giving true champion out of this? If that happens, what what Chris is. A tried not to be the day Sayer like you have. Try Not to be negative about this, but I've also. You'd have to be realistic about what's going on now. The one thing about this new voice I guess I would caution. no-one said this Publicly. Reading between the lines in that document is the NBA has given themselves allowance to update or change or modify as they see fit, and while I understand testing expensive. Disney, obviously a huge corporation. Baby, if this continues in fora and the NBA pushes through, maybe they. They start to look at ways to test Disney employees on a semi regular basis, those one infectious disease experts that I talk to who headed heard of any kind of government or any other kind of recommendation for daily testing anywhere that regular testing younger stands, but even facilities with. Frontline, healthcare workers treaty over eighty patients. They're not even getting tested every day or every other day. So maybe once they get inside, that bubble would see fates. Maybe there's a way to start testing those employees who are in and out of the campus with some regularity. Try Mitigate a larger outbreak. Yeah, I think what's also important when it comes to testing God, knows I'm not a doctor or infectious disease specialist, but I've talked to his enough over the last three months to have some kind of grasp on it is that. Those the this the shallow nasal swabs and the mouth swabs are far less reliable than the deep nasal swabs now nobody wants the deep nasal swabs, not you. Not Anyone I saw video that and his canter posted where when he sat down, he was clearly under the impression that he was going to have to have that. Nation that is the deep nasal swab, and and you could just see the relief on his face when he just had a throat swab. Those tests I think are far more prone to false positives than those deep nasal swabs, which are the more reliable, th- of the of the testing, so I think you've got to embrace that A. The very least with everybody inside that bubble, if not the Disney employees that are. Eventually coming coming in and out, but it's just it's just look I. I kind of have been a naysayer in the extent that. I never I do believe. This is an asterix season I do because. You just if nothing else, this is a new thing right like the season ended. In early to mid March four months later. You're basically starting a new thing in a lot of case with new players I mean Philadelphia was quite literally dead in the water in mid March, Ben Simmons was done that team didn't look like it liked each other all that much everyone from Elton brand to Brett Brown they look like they had one foot out the door now. Ben Simmons comes back Joel Embiid says he's in great shape. They a new opportunity here on the other side of it. Bojan Bogdanovic was not done for the season with Utah now he is. The Blazers are presumably going to get back Yousef. Merkich has been done all season Zach Collins. Who's been basically done all season I? Just this just feels like something completely new and I feel like I. Want to treat it as such my wrong to feel that way that this is. I agree with you that it's a unique challenge to do this. It accomplishes something to get through a playoffs under these circumstances, but it just doesn't accomplish what should end with the two thousand and twenty NBA champion. while. Kresa to bolster your point a little bit and look I view it the same way I. Think it will be difficult to win. You're talking all the challenges it changes, but he even take a team like the Milwaukee box or Los Angeles Lakers look at any Davis was played some of his best basketball of year. With the season was suspended. The Milwaukee Bucks were rolling and. After this break Chris by the time we get back July. We're talking four months. Are they going to be able to pick up at all? They left off. That's almost like fool. Break up in between seasons, overdose and I'm just not sure the impact yet and they haven't even had dramatic changes to the roster avery. Bradley ESPN reported is not going to play off a family. Reasons but I I just don't know how it's going to impact. Don't teach it, so does that give a team like Philadelphia that didn't. Didn't look like they were going anywhere. A better chance or team like Denver. which is you know all Semitic those guys have point together are for a little while they're coming back. Does that give them a better chance to maybe up in a TV gets to the conference finals, and so while it's going to be different. All these factors also make area intriguing to me. Health issues aside because we're GONNA. Be Paying attention to that at every day and we're GONNA GET I. Guess I'll go to another point that hundred thirteen page document. was really no definitive answers. There was lots of clarity and what happens when someone test positive. What you can do and can't do while you're inside that bubble like environment. There was really no rules or anything spelt out about. What circumstances the League would actually chancellor pull the plug on the season and say enough is enough and I know league. Every time you buy do the same thing. They don't like dealing in hypotheticals. They don't want to answer well. What if this happens? But you know there was nothing that talked about suspending the season again. Add it all essence canceling it, but we share, and you know I would like to have some of those answers well I. Mean Look One thing, is i? Do think like like you probably know as well I. The League has those answer at this point. They're just not quite ready to share them. At least not as we record this on Wednesday, but you do have to deal with hypotheticals I mean. That's a reality because the hypotheticals. Are Very likely to become a reality in these situations and you know how many positive tests how many teams decimated. Is Okay before you pull the plug in this whole thing. That's going to be very interesting to see how. How if and how? That's spelled out in the days to come, I want to ask you because you mentioned Avery Bradley, and not surprisingly we have seen players decide to bow out, and equally not surprisingly they have been for a variety of different reasons. One thing I've tried to stress. You know on this podcast in radio interviews in print is that players on this on the subject of Orlando are not speaking with one voice like they all have a different set of priorities whether it's health social justice off future contracts I. Mean there just is A. A wide swath of reasons that players might want to to bow out of Orlando and. What have you made of the early drop-outs? Dobbs Bertans who is effectively dropping out because his team's going nowhere. He's not risking ten plus million dollar per year salary, which I don't blame him for you. Trevor Rees with a set of circumstances that nobody could have known about and quite frankly nobody should know about his personal business and Avery Bradley who? Has What I think. Jeff is a situation. That's not uncommon a family member that has some kind of. Enabled case respiratory disease, as he told ESPN or some kind of autoimmune disease that some other family members of other players might have. What have you made of the early drop-outs? Well the the one thing I decided on Chris when the NBA MVP, a players union came to agreement on this. Is that I? I wasn't going to be the judge jury here I've any players decision to play or not play, and so so far a with a stick with every player doesn't want to play for whatever reason I have respect for their decision at I'll probably going to continue to stick with that. Because of the very reason you're cheaper. There are lots of different things that go into this. I understand these are well paid. Individuals of understand that they are. Personal. Considerations go into that. You know. For them with their family members and the idea of. Getting sick or giving someone else sick weighs heavily on them integrated you being there. Take Avery Bradley for instance and you know he has a young child who doesn't respond well to respiratory illness and avery was hoping to bring his family inside the bubble after the first drawing and he doesn't feel comfortable doing that. That's a long time Chris, those players could embed a team like the waitress if they make. The finals could be in there from. Early July to early October. But that's a long time for any of us. Be Separated I. Don't we bought that home bound? Get that right now, but now you're separating them for family. At least our with these players staffers are with family, and that's not necessarily going to be the case. Enables tall order to ask it so I'm sticking with it Chris for whatever reason a player! Side to play the League in the players. Union came to that agreement. They decided you know. At certain cases, player will be excused at. He will continue to get paid in other cases. You know he won't be one of these preferred absences add. He won't get paid. At Esther decision I did see looking at that document again. Chris Bury that we're not married, but inside the ugly thirteen ages player if he wants to get paid I, think we're the provide a a reason from a doctor of y. you know he is a plane. If need be I think that would go before review panel of someone from the NBA someone from Mvp a neutral arbiter. Who would be potentially deciding vote? Atmosphere in. Air Structure to this and I'm fine with the game eighty player who does apply? I'd like to see Avery Bradley. Get paid during the all this because I mean. This is not something you sign up for like it's not in your contract that you're going to be away from your family for three plus months and. Knowing one of your family members could potentially be exposed to a disease that could kill them. I mean look at it just I. think that's reason enough to pay avery Bradley out the remainder of his contract, especially when you've got nearly a third of the league. That's getting paid anyway not to play, so yes, not that has to be taken into account as well. Let me ask this about Bradley. Though to pivot per second to a pure basketball perspective like he is the first player. Ought to to bow out. That could impact the championship chase like at least what we know on paper like avery. Bradley I I will I'm going to take a victory lap here. In this podcast, I told people in what was it like in the summer? Whatever Bradley signed that this was a big acquisition avery Bradley could still play. He was not the guy that people saw with the clippers. He was more player in Memphis and before that, in Boston like he was a defensive stopper, who could make some threes ball handed a little bit and he has been. been exactly that he's been was at seventy eight points per game playing twenty five minutes per game, and he was starting to peak for them. The month of March was a great month or Avery Bradley one of the last Games. Maybe it was the last game against the clippers. He played great in that game. Marquee match up for the Lakers and Avery Bradley was everywhere. So this is a major loss for the Lakers. They've got some depth at the guard position Alex Caruso said a very good year. He's got great chemistry with Lebron. The numbers back that up. And I guess Jr. Smith is in the mix for that guard spot, but he feels like A. Break Glass in case of emergency guy for for the Lakers, but I mean this is we now have a player that whose absence is going to significantly impact the playoff chase. Just. Depth, at the guard spot Danny Reap also has had the season of shooting the ball. And take the post season. Is that had the season. He's wanted. For. Change. Is it, so I have with you, Chris. I think that's probably in of. that people may be. If I just like Avery Bradley. They'll be five, but. Love all the state. You were saying especially the way he's been able to. Issue and had some of those three pointers the one same. Squad! Is You're going to give you three pointers for for Brian and Eddie Davis. And he was one of those guys who was helping out. Fox I think that's a big loss for them and obviously. I don't think trevor. Ariza is going to be one of these. Exception. It's bellyful of health reason in at the same token as she talked about use the phrase that is a. or With winter planning these things family wise. And in his particular situation that West reported. He's planning I've had both July and August number off. At least I played game. Healthy lifestyle should be easy. 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It was the players like Bertone's that I was really focused on sure enough. Bertans like he is the quintessential player that should want nothing to do with playing like if you're Bertans, there's only downside like you just had the season of your life. You're going to be an unrestricted free agent in a market that is not ripe with top level, unrestricted free agents. You are three point shooting big man. Those guys are like I mean they're covid like platinum I mean it's ridiculous. How bad every team! Team wants a player like Davis Burke towns, why in the world would you go back for a nine seed Washington play maybe seven or eight games after not playing for three months and risk injury, like players like Bertans are the ones I'm looking at, and as I look across the league. I'm also looking at like Paul. MILLSAP I'm looking at Marcus Morris with the clippers. I'm looking at Danilo Gallinari with the thunder. Now those players are on teams that are playing for something, but those type of guys. I think that should be more worried about injury than those those young players coming up his rookie extensions. A Chris I think the the last three guys that you bet should may be posed. The more difficult choice given that teams of our playoff teves added suitcases like the clippers a team that they could get to the NBA finals, and so that makes that a little more difficult now. Burton's I got a lap on Kristen. Sense here in Washington, DC I watch a lot of wizards basketball at the arena at one of the joys of watching the wizards. Look I know they're not a great deep, but strangely fun to watch. They put up a lot of points if it does play a ton defects. But JEEZ with Bradley beal and The way he shoots the three bonkers. They weren't entertaining team. Watch in asa think it worked out. Because the wizards understand this, they would love to resign him. Knowing that they're getting a healthy John Wall back. They'll get a book. Committed Bradley beal to that I have his best defensive year this year but I think. He also understood that he couldn't give it all. Defensively on that team, and so they're going to get A. Minute Bradley beal on the defensive end next year and They can have someone like Britan's in the east. You there on the cusp of the playoffs East right now. With the knack very good t batty, and so you look at all those pieces, it may be draft raw with tabby shepherd leading backdraft. That's a team rookie. Being a playoff team next year of it, so I completely understand why play it also stand. While the wizards were completely fine with that plan. Those other guys that you mentioned Chris Look at the that's a bigger dilemma are given that jeeves either think they could make some Kinda rod or deep run. At the wizards they were offered before the deadline, which seems like a lifetime ago they were offered multiple first round picks for `Davis Burton so that tells me all I need to know about their desire and intention to re sign him to a long term deal to be governor alongside a returning John, Wall and Bradley beal. To have trickle down a little bit Jeff I don't think we're gonNA see much of either like I don't know what the upside is. Roll him out there and risk you know. What would they hope will be a good season next year with wall and beal back I think you're gonNA. Get a lot of backups being played out there in the wizards kind of playing out the string, and maybe they catch lightning in a bottle and get within four games of Orlando or Brooklyn for that last spot, but I can't see them putting all that much energy into to that spock in you. Know in the Chris even before the see I was talking with. Him In fact the week, the League was suspended there in March. I think maybe the Monday before the Wednesday night games. I was at the wizards practice facility I was talking to man. That was talking about the future of this wizards team and the bottom line. Is that and we don't need to spend much more time on the wizards that. This season was always about next season. For the wizards and there's no reason for that to continue that philosophy. Yeah. I. Agree maybe Ish, mythic and a lot of burned in these playoffs. Right, Figuring out up two quick things. I WanNa hit on before I. Let you go up the Knicks. Casting a pretty wide net for their in their coaching search, and look I I love it because there's no downside to. Speaking to as many of the top basketball minds that are out there and you know talking to Pat Delaney. Who is an excellent young coach in the Orlando System Jamal Moseley in Dallas also kicking the tires on Jason Kidd. WHO's at a very good assistant coaching year? Better good assistant, and by all accounts, a good soldier as an top lieutenant to Frank Vogel I like that approach, but in your mind. Is there any way this ends with? Tom, tiptoe I mean there's really no pressure on them to hire tibbs because like the other team that could have a coaching opening soon. CHICAGO, when he ain't going back there, so it's. Sort of waiting on on that the Knicks to figure it out, but Leon rose was his agent I mean that's what it was. He was his agent. For a long time and tibbs is still an excellent high level. Coach badly wants that Knicks job, do you? Do you think there's a chance? They go in a different direction than Tom Thibodeau? Think there's a chance. Do would also looking at it from the perspective that you just mentioned that it's very smart to cast that wide. I liked the air of looking at the younger up. Incoming coaches look successful ones. Recently you look at what a Taylor Jacobs did this this year? You look at a guy like Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta. I know they're not one of the twenty two teams, but you can see some of the direction that he could get that team going in. So I really like the idea of exploring a guy that might that be a household. They of it yet give it. All the connections were talking about Dane You saw today? The Knicks just. Hired. William Wesley is well ahead. Walter connections to lead rose a adopt. The video is well, and so it makes sense the only thing I do wonder about shift here. Talking about it is you don't think not bet. Has had success with X. Chicago Bulls team. Then you know. Obviously the work he did is an assistant coach with the Boston Celtics. Really does well with a veteran team that is ready to with our. It'd be in the playoffs and the Knicks Air Right now we did see tips. Struggle sometimes with those kinds of teams that were playoff teams, whether it was in Chicago, or whether it was the timber wolves and it all. I wonder if it's a similar situation. He isn't always the easiest coach to play for a I. Do like him a lot, they. Basketball Acumen. Get your question that but you know issue the right coach right tag for this team that that's my biggest concern. It's a fair question. I'd probably counter with. The. Bulls were pretty young when Tibbs took over like they were advanced for their age, but Noah rose a Butler who was drafted there i. mean these young guys that Tibbs. Coached up and pushed them that level even Minnesota. Before it went completely bonkers in his spinal season, like they were trending in the right direction before Butler got hurt, and and things went south so I i. think it's possible from to be the right guy for a young team. The name I'm curious that hasn't been in that mix at least not, but I know of is Kenny. Atkinson who would seem like the perfect choice for a team like that I mean that's a long island guy who coached the nets from. A team that was filled with you know sort of. Young second round dish talent undrafted talent. You know guys like the Ngelo Russell who were somewhat damaged goods, and he coached them into mid level playoff team I. Wonder why why. Kenny Atkinson hasn't been sort of thrust into that mix all that much. Maybe we'll for all said and done, but. He does not seem like a good choice there Jeff. He seemed like a with the Knicks. Decided to go that direction earlier in the season. It did seem like God. That would be a great fit. For Him is. Not Chris the so long ago. I guess the the nets in happened after the next state. It would it. would. It did seem a real solid fit. of the Knicks have made front office changes that probably authors that. A little bit. Blow up, but with that sad. You know we'll see what happens with other Jeeves, but Kellyanne consider does deserve another chance so with achieve. Given what he did and you know I certainly throw him in that same category of a coach who was well-known outside of the NBA circles optic committee coach achieve. had the play the right way at sometimes compared to a little bit. with Brown had do early out with his successor days he had to coach bad teams at, but still it's still a culture that did get used to accept the losing as the door and. He's the Kinda guy would stay with one of these teams that needs are. Yeah I completely agree. Let me finish with a quick not on the Pistons. Putting aside the fact that the NBA does need more diversity in front offices. It's about time. Troy Weaver got a job no matter what racy was areas rather. He's deserved job Jeff for a long time. You know you get jobs largely based on the success of your franchise. We've seen it happen in San Antonio most most notably with their general manager tree. But it's been a long time for Troy Weaver as top lieutenant to San Presi in Oklahoma City to get a shot I mean it's been written Ad Nauseam, but he was influential in the decision to draft Russell Westbrook and I think impressed. He's one of the best. GM's in the league. If not the best Abu doesn't do it alone and troy been proud of that process I think the Pistons who badly need to. Do One of those Wiley Coyote dynamites that roster and start from scratch. I mean they're getting the right guy to start to rebuild that team. What did you think of the higher of Troy Troy Weaver? The I love the higher for all the reasons that you bet should add we don't. Troy has been in the mix office of other jobs and. We know that also. The Oklahoma City are very protective of their front office staff that works for Sand Prestige and. To certain degrees I think they you know. They want to make sure that. If one's lead me that organization that they're, they're taking a job. They could really sell of. There's obviously moved to grow. The Pistons have subtract picks next short as a good job and it's again. Love the pig love it for the higher. For the Pistons and Chris I'm not saying the NBA's perfect, a diversity hires, but we young adult. He's not going to be the bad guy, but we saw our adversary with the Chicago. Bulls get hired as the. If you will be working. Underneath our tourist for mischievous of WHO's going to be the charge boss ops. We just saw William Wesley. You hired a New York again that seeing the NBA perfect but those are so know. Three Front office is right there. You know that are starting to. Help out when it comes to diversity hires were worldwide west to have a press conference like an introductory press conference because I don't know about you, but I've got a lot of questions worldwide wes. He would probably say that. He needs no introduction yes. As Catholic. It's that's interesting boy. Chris obviously. Just real. Quick our back. You know the era which you certainly know that worldwide wes woes super influential, but. At the forefront like. Was Be mention when Lebron joined the Bambi heat worldwide? West was sitting courtside. At a lot of those sheet games, it was a visible presence, and then made himself a little less visible as time went on I. Know that dialogue. You still work if you had the seeds, but you haven't really heard a lot of or what Western so recently. Be Interesting to see how he. Fits in what his role specifically is going to be with that team. Jeff appreciate the time man great to catch up with you and I'm sure we'll talk again. As the bubble opens up down there in central, Florida. Perfect Chris. Thanks holiday today.

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State Of The NBA

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State Of The NBA

"There's crispy and then there's crispy try our new and improved Tyson crispy chicken strips crispy just got crispy interruption. But I'm Mike Wilpon Dr. Seuss Day Tony. Can you write like Dr Seuss? I'm Tony Kornheiser. The man on the left side that provides great insight. And have you made for Michael will bond but if such is the case plus yourself down the John? How's that wasn't exactly? I thought that was very suceed. You just didn't like it because you're now where the bubbles are down the bowl that sure was. Did you read him as a kid? Yes I read him as a kid. I read his books to my children. I did that. I stopped short at Dr Seuss. I really WANNA. Pti boys and girls and today's episode. Trevor Aretha body checks trae. Young Wilder Fury. Three is on and Mike. Trout can hit a golf all eight mile but we begin today with Lebron's perspective on the NBA after weakened in which Lebron Lost John Rant and praised him and beat Zion Williamson and praised him. Lebron got reflective and said quote when you see the class of guys that's in our League right now jaw Zion. Trae young Luca Danni Jason. Tatum Donovan Mitchell. You see all these young guys the League is in a very good place unquote will bond. Are you as convinces Lebron that the League is in a very good place? Absolutely yes I remember us being on the golf course a year or so ago and I told you that last year's draft class and this year's draft class we're GONNA form the nucleus of the group that succeeded Lebron and Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony and all the stars and guys who were Olympians as well and that is the case and it's coming already as some of those players Tony are better than I could have dreamt and I think better than the Bronco. You can't predict Luca. Danni just shows up and has triple doubles every night before he turns twenty one years old. Now Lebron look. Lebron sees an pays attention to every every every every little thing all the time. He's locked in on this and he could be the old man saying get off my lawn but he's not that and the League is better off for him pointing this out to them and holding them accountable. This is good stuff so I'm going to go the other way. A little bit on this but not tremendously. I'M GONNA I set up the genealogy of important NBA players. I'm going to begin with Magic Johnson. I'm going to go to Michael Jordan and I'm going to go to Lebron and what they all have in. Common is not only the unquestioned best players but they are leaders. I'M GONNA suggest to you. That what Lebron does off. The court is every bit as important as what? Lebron does agree on the que- agree. You have to be out there talking before games and after games you have to lead. So let's go to all of these players now John Moran's Ion Williamson. Luca Danni trae young Jason. Tatum Donovan Mitchell. Who He mentioned. I must say I don't know. I don't know that they can do that or they glib enough are they open enough to they want to do it. There's a difference between being a great. You're not watching a arms difference between being a great player and someone who wears the League on his back in the Wales does. I'm at these Games and I've gotten to at least interactive not know these young players by name Donovan. Mitchell is Donovan. Mitchell might be even to where Lebron was. Get what you can't all be as great as magic Michael Lebron. That's what the vast as for my pool has to be stunned somewhat clears now. Maybe it's on Williamson because he seems to have that sort of has it the NBA more than any other league is personality driven. Yes so young. Who WE'RE GONNA talk about that kid? That person does have personality. I I also notice. Lebron did not mention onto compo- first of all he said and others as you watched the actual interview. He basically left room for are not going to think of everybody in this moment. Is I'm not GONNA do that. To Lebron part four part of that genealogy it is a requirement that it's not just on the floor right. You'll agree with that. Yeah let me just say this it. Just in case he forgot him. I just interacted with onto the cool. He's got stuff that nobody else has because of his just just who he is and where he's from and what he's been through his life didn't know. American player has an unsecured polls. Got So there's a whole bunch of guys out there and I thought Lebron did a great job of capturing the nucleus of that group. I do one of the guys. Lebron's really likes trae young. It got a little come up last night all vet trevor. Aretha wasn't having any a young's nutmeg. Treatment that embarrassing dribble between the legs thing so he gave the kid a forearm shiver. It was like an old raiders. Hit a rees also told him quote. I have a net close quote and then hugged him up after the game. Tony this warmed my crotchety old heart. Please tell me you old man got a kick out of this is well did not reasons and old man who got embarrassed on the floor and then what he did was he. He took a guardians of the game. Fishing his legs as spall. This would be like Brian. Mccann hidden a guy when he came across the plate. I understand why he did it because he looked foolish foolish and committed salt on trey because trey young put it between between his legs on him and he should base a lot ended in fine for what he did. Pleased to be applauded. I don't think in every old guy ought to be awarded every week languidly or Rick Mahorn trophy and Trevor aretha ought to get Lis- listen. You can do that if you're if you're trae young you said. I'm not going to stop it but there are consequences to be paid for you to sit here as the most crotchety old man there. I'm not on social media. You should stop tweeting. The most crotchety old man. Just just for UNICEF sit here and say Trevor Ariza should take him out. Use pathetic right in week. You seem to be more crotchety Diane Crotchety but I own it. I think what he did was completely out of bounds. Trae young is oh did Lebron name. Trevor Aretha no renamed trailer is not twenty two years old. He's learning some. He's two years thirty four. Been in this. By the way you only embarrass the guy gets the ball on the other side of the way he does. He got knocked in the throat area having no they wrong basketball when it was actually contested with people just didn't get out of the way play. Madison Star actually was there. I just football. It had nothing to do you. Serving online lives long. Tail is going to be a crowd favorite people this was. You know what you're going to think the next time you try to Trevor Rees new old guy by hand and money over to people stop embarrassed. Stop over the weekend. There were the usual million upsets in college basketball. We're going to isolate on three here. Baylor number two was beaten at T. C. U. Duke number. Six was beaten at Virginia Maryland. Number nine was beaten at home by Michigan. State will which team had the most impressive win? I think Michigan State. Did you could argue that. You could look at rankings. People were ready to put their install. Maryland has a number one seed overall tournament seed like to ten days ago. Now then you just go in there and Eke out a narrow victory which would have been fine. They laid it on Maryland. Maybe that I mean I thought Virginia Virginia's a team not Tony. It's got a late kick to it. You Know Duke on Knows Lost Multiple Game Harry. Bad Road game the defending national okay. But they don't have the guards on that team that lost three starters. Yeah they'll do. They have the most impressive. I thought it was. I thought it was Michigan. State clearly because Maryland had gone to Michigan State and beaten them there and Maryland had game day. There and Nolan's crowd was totally geeked and Michigan State. Never trailed in that game and was up by eighteen and one. Yeah my second one. Oddly enough is TCU. Baylor that I I just don't really Jay. What do we know but I mean? Tcu was twenty four thirty two at the foul on. If they shot well they would have drawn their fifty four points in the second half against a really good defense. Of course they are but Duke has lost enough lately that I you know. I thought Michigan but I will. I will remember this for people that Michigan State was the preseason number one in the be all is with a big and they're always good. Great Tom Izzo. Bring late. Long brings overtaken a finishing kick. Look I think that the great thing about that day. Tony at the weekend is that we're going to see the whole month of March. I think I think it's just GONNA BE ALERT. Razi Person Yes. Upset alerts every watching the old man. I'm crushing skulls. Can't you own your own crotchety? Nece I don't think he should attack me for going not going on social media because when you go on so you can be fired that will up and dance you attack people for being on social media you and Charles and I last. Two people in miracles old crotchety. We're less than two weeks from move from Tyson fury. Lena beatdown wilder. But already we have news of a rematch. July eighteen in Vegas. If that seems quick is because Bob Arum. Espn and Fox looked at the calendar. Saw nothing sexy going on then instead. Let's do this now that we have a rematch. Tony do you see the same thing happening? Do you see fury as the heavy favorite. I don't see him as the heavy favorite. I see him as heavy six nine. Two seven and five. I don't seem as the heavy favorite look. We are now in the going into the third of a series of fights series of fights deontay wilder knock fury down twice in first fight and that was a draw. Fury knocked down twice and got a. Tko In this situation because Marlin said that's my boy I think it's possible that if wild just comes in wearing a bathrobe sixty five hundred sixty. Yeah I mean. I think everybody wants to see this. You mentioned that there was nothing else on the calendar you and I had been in Vegas for fights in summer. It's four hundred degrees. It's just the alive when you see people. In the old days at the pool at Caesar's they end up as Bacon Ripe Death and yet we love being these fights your should I. I would like to be at this. Fear is going to have to see like him. Yeah you like. Here's the thing. Wilder doesn't show that he has a plan. B No but if he punched some ninety goes over twenty six actually used to rock. That's right and it did the. Where'S THE PLAN B? He's got to heat. Listen he's gotta come with a fool fight plan he's GonNa fury the heavy favorite. Yes yes so. You Think. Less than six rounds. That's what. The heavy favorite isn't heavyweight. Bout less than sick. Yeah take it somewhere in there. Six seven again not worried. That wilder land something from the allowance to see more. I WANNA see some combination of the first and second five. I'm not rooting for fury necessarily like wilder. We should go to this fight all time so I brought to the there. You will just say it'd be nut ray him again if he won't be returning to the Patriots and Kevin Durant plans first name backward team other than those nets. Trae young is more exciting than you think. I think is exciting. You gotta earn it. You can't just laying on the ground for decides he's The Guardian a love trevor. Rees it today. Love them fraction. You'll when it comes to keeping Americans safe from corona virus. This is the sound of a president. We can't rely on the various doctors just like flu. People die from the flu. America can do better managing a crisis when everything is on. 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Green Hope. Did I mean with little leverage? Nfl players have and they all think they have more than they actually have quarterbacks. Have little if you're meeting and there was supposed some meeting last week. I think confronted. You would say you know. Listen I don't know what you guys are planning to do but if you are. I'd like to have him to throw to. I'd like to see you way to that. So if you WANNA call that influence I'd say yes. He had some instances. This is Peter King's reporting. Yeah this particular thing. I think there's basically one way to read this. If indeed Joe Borough had this influence he is saying to the Cincinnati Bengals. Pick me and I will come play for you. The only other way to read it as as Cincinnati says to itself which is perfectly legitimate. He's our best player. We got to have them no matter. Who are quarterbacks? We gotta have him around now. The problem is if I have this statistic correct. He's been hurt. Twenty three of the last twenty four game lately. You're paying a million dollars and a half. We're not sure that he's even. But even if joe is going to be effective as you number one you've got to have. Aj Green percent. Some incredible fact. Simile necessarily get that. Are you reading anything into this is why I'm asking this? Tom Brady and Julian Edelman. Face Timing Mike rebel from the Syracuse game. First of all what I wonder about is why Eshelman and Brady and Jimmy Fallon we're at the Syracuse Game Brady went to Michigan. I think that again state now. Fallon is from upstate. New York in terms of the face timing they played with this guy at New England. They're probably POWs. Look my feeling on Tom. Brady is forty two years old. He's a grown man. He's going to decide where he's going to play and he's just having fun now would seem to me with all of this stuff around. Maybe the others around having fun. I don't know that he's having all that much fun. 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There's no punishment there's no consideration did not do it so in that case Tony. I'm not GonNa say Giles knows this going in. I'm not going to disingenuous. Because I don't know him and he doesn't have a reputation as such but it just like he said this I'll take him at his word. But nothing's going to happen. Let's get to the important thing I in my ear. It is turning stone where we played and we liked that very much when a guy is willing to give back a ring. You have to ask. What does that mean to him? He was benched by the Astros. He had a screaming match with. Aj hinch he was gone from the Astros pretty much after that world still did. He also said that he was in the bullpen. And didn't know anything about this. I can believe he didn't hear the banging on the garbage can and I can believe he didn't know you know he didn't see the setup but I don't. I'm not sure I believe that he didn't know anything about this. It looks to me now. That rob Manfred is going to not go any further not vacate anything not going to happen to the play. That's what I think. So he didn't have to give it up so you just say this and it makes you sound a little more magnanimous bright then the rest of the people that graphs on the astral left behind me. No one two BREGMAN and spraying them. Back Lemme know should the Brooklyn Nets be okay with Kevin Durant playing in the Olympics before he plays for them. So to put context in this durant's agent said that Tokyo was a possibility now to be fair with the Corona Virus Zootopia Toledo. That's exactly right. We don't know if there's going to be an Olympics. My first inclination is was. This is crazy if I was in that I was paying them all this money. I wouldn't want him to play anywhere else but then I thought about it a little more. You want him to get to where he's ready to play. You need them to get some Reps. 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Words On Water #95: Adam Lovell on Water Utilities in Australia

Words on Water

40:01 min | 1 year ago

Words On Water #95: Adam Lovell on Water Utilities in Australia

"Word on wellness a welcome the words on water a podcast from the water environment federation this is the host travis loop very very excited to be joined by adam level executive director of water services association of australia adam i'm glad we found the time to do this given are wild time differences were working wis indeed it's it's really good to be with trevor rees yeah so it's around but you know eight almost eight thirty in the evening on a thursday here in on east coast of the u s what it was what do you a looking at i'm i'm ten thirty on friday morning sonar a and we've got a we've got a quiet week this week because of easter and yesterday was a anzac day in australia which is a public holiday and that's a commemoration of ola a war if it's but in new zealand soldiers opinion so it's it's a very short week here in australia that is you're you're you're on like a little one day one day left there about how many people opposite works right right right well i i'm really excited to talk to you a lot about kind of the water sector in australia you certainly know a lot about it and we've got some good topics to dive into 'em could you just kinda start by giving me in the listeners a bit of an overview of the of the water sector in australia you know like how many utilities there are facilities there are just kind of what it looks like show show it's it's got a really interesting sector here stralia i think the big difference it you'll see is a between some of the state says well sorry so if you look at west lets out west and us drivers from condor the most interesting that's ten times the size of texas you've got one utility the look softer all of these other motives services across that state now remember that that a lot of that state is as you know there's there's nothing that whole thing is of course they've got a lot of indigenous settlements up there which usually run run on by department of housing jews were run by the government says border sevices so what a corporation run the whole state same without the stretch run the whole the whole a state of south the stralia tasmania is run by single utility so it's only when you get towards east coast more popular side that you get separation of utilities i think the key the key difference that you might find between the strategy and uss utility sees that most of these trying utilities have fully vertically integrated in other words they run catchment all my true to dispose love 'em this type safe disposal of of f one back into the rivers sorry and they also randy sal and recycling in the midst of that so what tends to happened then there's such a so much utilities 'em would would provide every five years that would go to an independent economic regulator 'em to us for the process like in charge of the following five year period and so they can allocate calls a operational and capitol koss right across that value chain anton try be fishing rod across that that each night it's been a challenge because typically that you know that in an deal weld 'em you know you'd be you'd be sort of looking at or you all of you challenges across all of the top three network why sport a recycling drinking water but typically it within utility at least until a decade ago actually topped after long very separate water network and sewage networking treatment sort of thoughts but gradually saying a full integration across a water utility so they other thing to bear in mind for these strain more utilities these is that most of the corporate caused in the nineteen nineties and that would seem to be on a pass a following new u k pop off privatized nations sorry most utilities it by the time of around two thousand was set up fully independent boards 'em and they're only share all of that this the principles they're only share hold up was the site treasure a some sort of state department was is that what's that shareholder in actual facts that heads reports through to corporate regulator just like any other private company would old privately listen company as well so so that that was set a set up an end worked pretty effectively what let's say nothing which is one of the challenges that we have in the strays saying 'em a falling back should be mole state government control government run robbing having that independence 'em as as a what they call state a corporation sergeant in a nutshell utilities eat the state owned or local government owns 'em there's different a ownership models in queensland particularly around brea spend a q queensland and utilities he's he's owned by five councils and in fact in some ways is a little better because a a the council's dark have have a board member necessarily it's a it's a skills baseboard and they don't necessarily an such writes that governments site they've got find more independence insight sydney border which is fully on board the new south wales government so 'em you know that's that's the sort of that's what you sort of looking at in terms of the the makeup of of water utilities in australia i think the key thing is that most of the money they spend you know when the set of spending money every dollar i would spend eighty cents of that is with the product or mole is with the private sector so we said that there's all common common set of common refrain all you know if you're spending money props that that that means you're gonna be privatized privatization an ownership the very different things having the private sector actually help you build build capital requirements an upright your assets as well so a very big private sector in a involvement 'em you know the silver as the v alia's trilogies at the world 'em old old work very closely without utilities hearing the stralia and that's why a defense and everyday all of these utilities propsects up a that is a terrific overview i'm very intrigued by some of those differences they are going back to a how you mentioned di di geographic area that utilities cover you know in the western part of australia in the southern part of australia i guess that's really due to like you said the be sparse population there's just not it's not very densely populated right a i as any other thing a it's quite interesting people wouldn't realize is that the strenuous inside most a country in the world so in other words ninety percent of people leave in a capital city on by the coast sec using indication of the vast cost the vast distances between towns and and a regional areas in in new south wales in queensland and and other places which makes it incredibly hot so so yeah we've got a very very difficult drought on the eastern seaboard of the mind that runs rock clinton signed right through the victoria an there many towns in new south wales that a a really have no water suddenly it's gotta be it's gotta be tanker dean ends you could imagine the costs that's that that comes along with that so there's a big there's a big issue around climate change the big issue that they economic issue the social issues attached a climate change because you would have to think in the future out you know some some towns just may not have the border to be actually i is about a un this is a town yeah i remember a during your summer or winter here in the northern hemisphere seeing a lot of stories especially on social media a just about the soaring ring heat that you guys had an incredible impacts on you know waterways and rivers because of that and i'm sure the water utilities were feeling that distresses well haha well well you know we've we've had some of the millennium drought with an interesting one at and many many listeners near west would have heard about the stories about the millennium drop because it's incredible amount of capital investment went in your every capital city got a day sell plant you know is practically lining up for diesel plant you know they're not shake you know at least two billion dollars each so so every capital city got one those massive investment in water recycling 'em but but the current draft is actually seventy seventy five percent worse it's the worst ever recorded drought the we having a strategy right now oh ends a and says says some of the haji graphs you're look sickly sydney and from melbourne a much worse than what they look like in the millennium trout so 'em yoga's just a just for example in sydney just switch the day sell plant back on 'em ends you know that the planning is going into what's the next guy edge besides or is it more restrictions is that a is that another day south plant is it a a big part of what we use facility you know all of these options needs to be on the title 'em end the sec things happening around the country so there's there's some big huge challenges ahead you know climate change is definitely one of the things i wanna talk to you about i'm glad you brought it up i'm i'm wondering a little bit about a you know here in the uss were in the situation where a political parties in power 'em are skeptical or deny climate change and that that that causes some great challenges across lots of parts of our country but but definitely for water management and so forth and i'm just wondering if it seems like it's a more accepted a by within government in australia is that true and in a if so how does that enable at least action to address address it yeah really interesting where in the midst of a federal government election right now and a the current government has been in all sorts trouble a particularly with electric 'em the broader electric has moved on this tide of the debates around climate change and they're under incredible pressure to do more on climate change and a yeah they're they're often portrayed in the is being donna souls you know the ceiling come out and said you know by twenty thirty all sides that might have fifty percent of college to be electric vehicles cynical say oh well you know a trade posts and can't drive around and electric you that sort of thing you know the sort of a real giving off this impression that that really yeah there's needs change that needs have electric vehicles are yeah but electra just moving on really quickly an end so you saying are really interesting change by state state governments and out doing the wrong thing he's saying water utilities doing the right thing there's no debate about climate change but in order industry is happening when dealing with a m and we and we can deal with that without having a federal government intervention so to speak but i i think 'em everybody the broader the broader community administrators looking for federal government says the fondly types late so it'll be interesting to see whether the current election will will end up having real the guardians the climate change the bites yet but will becoming sunday elections on the mighty i take that that i think that component about that is is is interesting but just lost weight for instance that tained up the victorian more utilities and there's not any more utilities in victoria it's it's a second smallest site but a a quiet quiet set of a compact sort of state the thirteenth lies utilities got together an old really investing in a solo a facility up in the north northeast of this tight end that's a really big the minister is right behind that say that the site at the state level at utility level last night a bite most a nice the water utilities here heading towards com neutrality or or even then energy neutrality a yard valley border public at one of the most incredible facilities where they're not even they're actually falling in food waste not not dissimilar to the east bay not out there on the by but not buying into twice a cookie at all pairing up and putting it back into the great size i pow the sewage treatment plant whatever's leftover that goes back into the great insight that they have a looking to expand that many about utilities looking looking at that those sort of facilities so while we have we have the benefit of density in other than 'em you know of in a use a the problem is that we've still got you know if i think back to the word they use this used in europe circle economy that's that's that's not woods it's used commonly here in australia and i think once we get that fully into unoccupied once we get that is and approach a will be on a bit of what i a publisher podcast recently with a melbourne water chanel lie and over there an inch and she was talking about their push toward you know net zero row and it was just amazing kind of accelerated timetable that they're doing that on 'em within a matter of you know less than ten years to kinda get get up to that but i guess you know where there's a will there's a way really in the there's so much technology out there that that makes us all possible six citing that's exactly right but you know it's so it's so important to share this thing internationally and that's why i had such a good relationship with u s with the usa research talking on sessions because i think some real lading lots u s the wait in line from you know and i think that's you know that seem the importance of international collaboration that you can't you can't you that you'll particular countries the bested everything you're always gonna be out there looking for the best and looking just share and looking at the drive things for oh absolutely 'em well one of the i i wanna talk a little bit more about the challenges that you're yeah utilities face there we we had a kind of a conversation sation a little while ago about this and it was definitely interesting to hear about those challenges and some of the especially similarities but i could could you talk about kind of the biggest challenges facing water utilities in australia beyond the climate change piece yeah show and and it's a good good timing actually cause a yeah we've just been working through this with the with the board and the board association board and we talk a bit about what watts is the bat but just give an the year to year where the full okay outcomes trying to achieve over the next a short medium temporizing he's all about it's all about customer value and i think i've not seen you know i've been involved in the water and she my whole life what we'd call lifestyle you know i've been i've wasted my first job xactly angling motor in cambridge and you're tired and then i came back and what the city water and in particular the research area now come on wall so that the biggest change that i've saying is this absolute a singular focus on customer value in in developing customer disinterested eight customer engagement and delivering the customer value pace and i think in the end you often a set of their there were many industries wouldn't be stopped them this possible why you're a monopoly just do what you have to do do you have pollini engineering services old fond yeah this is all the time and money well i i just i just think i'm glad we've moved past that because in in being able to engage with customers provides tiredly different approach and mindset to said the value that you were trying to create and it's it's a value proposition which is why be on the taps and toilets business and we could talk about that a little bit more of a customer value is is he out on the tape affordability an and i think you know the industry yeah has been in the past being accused of being go fighting as we mentioned in the millennium drought whole lot of capital expenditure behind mining we're with the second largest as the sect of the second largest investor and capitol works 'em but but what we've been able to move beyond that and and so the current drought despite the fact that it's five west some of the millennium outlaws there's been no real plan ends a full be orientation which is which is a good thing but that comes back to affordability comes back to the regulatory settings is well more outcomes based regulation than 'em sort of the point souls regulation so we've had a soda similar thing and if you look at the y sport side of the business you know dp ice in the world and looking for you know so so many so much reduction in surrogate flies for instance and wiping working with them in some respect our regulator calls but washing with and say okay but what see outcome and trying to shape he's a particular waterway you're looking for swimming pool dies most we mobilize for instance of doubling its mobile died or is it protects you new environment h waterways little bit different states instead of thinking about you know you need scott all throughout flies by off which require a five billion dollar investment all i that's a lot of money somebody's gotta pifer that i think just going back to the white industry industry instruction hearing the stralia motion the capitals sitting old with a capital cities a full recovery that's all picks and catholics who cross recovery and that's why in in some respects but not on the front page of the paper because we don't have a handout money were not we don't look for grants chance none of the utility say look for grants but anything on everything is on the phone calls recovery by says sorry sorry is that going back to that that's important about affordability you gotta make sure that you ford plans were affordable customers longtime water supplies and chris is the third a key k outcome that were trying to achieve and i think the key issues sephora ross is around 'em bringing stole more time into the title of what we would call the title of water environments water utilities these little cops a new normal reteach delighted drinking water and mice water and recycling and they sell but they don't look off the storm or not and that's the thing that's been a big issue and so all the all the major growth areas and sydney melvin are expected doubled in size ooh areas and yet when he is but about in areas that receive half of the rain fold and they would on the coast melbourne and sydney yard the cat sort of the central business district so downtown downtown is practically ride on the coast the gross these fifty sixty columbus why wet wet for instance in sydney that's half of the rifle and then then the sydney what they call the hottest city which would get so big able to capture stormwater and use it more effectively friends to create livable communities is a really big issue for us and then potable radios so we've got poboy use up over and pesticides they use a gram motor punishment while they call the groundwater punishment very similar to orange county in effect for the coal lindelof in orange county in developing that that program spots a young hungry useful have to be only agenda going forward and i think a lot of work happening to to really this is all about community engagement along proposition community engagement to get it off that about to be on the radar at least the long term water supply and i think the fourth one is about city shaping and i think this is probably one of the most important industry outcomes toronto what shape this is all about a water utilities country brash contribution liveability an end to the health and wellbeing of its citizens in particular in whatever city that you're in wave just completed a piece of work with frontier economics which is a major 'em well a really fantastic economics and we're trying to put a dollar figure out on the mental health physical health benefits an oven hate merely ration 'em by from better water water management and we've provided we've we think that were onto something here because wait and see but there's a definite benefits every community member by integrating storm ordinate and mortar environment even by rage debilitating what what is now concrete channels and and their legs is still alive and well brought get water officer get that water off the road and get it out of sight as quickly as possible but the contributions deliverability is so important contribution to the health budget is so important and we have shown a by this initial place of work that you could get a net positive value for mental health and that surprised me the most benefits the mental health bye bye you're providing people access to greenspace is incredibly important so said that old guys city of inform and that's why we talk about city shaping about water utilities rolling city shaping just quickly to the most one of the most pleasing things up federation lee is we had a great the ceo of the greatest sydney commission sarah hill and they're in control of the big clients city undescribed anche she talked about memphis recently said you know what i think convinced that we need to go back to a water centric up informed the future because that creates livable that creates livable community create healthy communities and i think the problem that we face in the past is water utilities or some back into the environment hopefully average incredibly important portfolio i'm like get me wrong but you're always second tier all i second tier and i think we need to be part of the healthcare quality not just the safe drinking water overturning safe recreational water but for the wellness health and wellbeing of the communities and now contribution to it we need to be part of that he'll portfolio because then you says tia and then when you get that inform it's created around a quarter century inform not transport centric which were the dominant things i would say out contribution around that is really important contributions descend overdevelopment goals really important public before his shoes yeah well i'm glad to hear that a that individual that's in such an important position they're in sydney gets it about the role of water and as you guys work on that study in that report and kind of have signed further findings on a you know kind of the role of water in in liveability of communities 'em i definitely would love to see that and share that sure it's really interesting judy other things you mentioned i wanna quickly follow up on a storm water so if it wasn't part of the water or water utilities responsibility you know stormwater management and conveyance and so forth who who handled better who constructed even as you know yeah interesting story the day a mostly constructed of course to create work during the depression sonani netease i thought if his group here's a great job scott and get all of the crates between europe and aries let's all concrete law in the works because sort of helped get water off the road and so on and so forth by but it's sort of created this these ugly messages of an end rarely highly clues he's had messes well sorry i'm an intense tippy council run so a lot of local what we would call what you're cold local government runs so 'em say in sydney old melbourne in particular is probably a c plus a different local governments areas all with different roles for what's that different approaches and i think a longtime water utilities a music there wasn't issue around this about 'em almost you know just didn't want to tackle the huge capitol risk is taking on because some of these stormwater channels really badly degraded hats the key issue here is how do you actually there is no pricing structure stormwater management there's no funding structure for it 'em and so you you it's a massive janney take on stormwater but i think most in the face of climate change challenges and the feis liveability challenges now util i'm saying most the value alman biz turning around and saying look there's gotta be a custodian there's gotta be somebody who manages it maybe when they are now in the longtime but somebody needs to take control as a as the waterway many john so to speak so many all of the water in particular area nonsense i get the impression in the future will see utilities taking on a much bigger role 'em in being in being water manages the whole the whole area 'em and that that's got that will be a step change it will be a big change to in the white 'em water is managed a firm a funding source from regular tree point of view from from a crossing point of view well what saying is that many of many of our members particularly who discharge you know test retreated effluent trip to a river of being asked to shave lower and lower levels notch and phosphorus because nobody wants to tackle a few soul sub stormwater stormwater management if you're idled hand that i've got to say utility or a water white men in john do connection allocate so we've got some you know i could say we've got some storm water issues and these particular places we identified them as a point souls for nutrients it's some stead of asking utility today more and more a way she's gonna tackle the problems at a stone who stole mortar point of view which would be filed less costly a an end provide other means of providing the main itchy and liberals look these russians sought so there's some of the challenges that that's a that's a big one for sure a yet yeah the thing you touched on it i wanna follow up on was potable reuse a it's a it's an area that just kind of a it's really important to me the idea of the week and recycle and reclaiming reeves water ends at be idea of direct potable reused not just iago for peace but actually putting it direct to the drinking water distribution system we have a in the usa el paso texas is headed george being kind of the first real big permanent a set up like that a man that's pretty exciting stuff 'em ends so is there any i'm wondering if there's any movement toward that anywhere in australia or the other you know the thing is one of the big challenges here is the regulatory landscape and what's your you know what the laws allow you to do and so i'm just wondering what the if that's a barrier in australia's well listen if you've got regulations prohibit kind of that direct potable radius there's there's probably from a wreck foot tree point of view what probably in a better place because we we have a set of guidelines which actually set at a national level by by health regulators and they're quite they tend to be quite practical about that sort of information so we use a lot of information from the world health organization around sort of studies and things like that so a well you need they issues tend to be more about they a political community acceptance of it and i think the view here is at the community's actually out for it because a number of focus groups set of being held in and number value utilities have been talking to focus groups chick leaving this drought without being prompted they're asking about their out why you're doing it yeah then muniz that's why you're doing this this this makes common sense but very unfortunately fortunately what get very gun shy from some of the decisions are made to end the way that were made in the millennium trout around those couple of potable reuse issues a whole project so much hype which got voted voted against and a publicist cisco gun sean unfortunately they go community as as probably experienced in the usa community actually leads a politician in san jose progressiveness but somehow we tend be lumped back into what the politicians view is and as and then k opinion makers site which rhonda maternal look at it very differently here in trying to work out let's put decision making back in the communities handsets telemarketer to in fact the community might say you know what went on the other day southland well that's fine you don't most this march and he's he energy implications so and so forth but the key thing is the the decision making clearly back in the communities hands and now one of the utilities here in the tri valley board actually undertook citizens jury during its price review last year and actually they both signed off on the citizenry the citizenry came up with a number of recommendations and they are valley board aboard signed off site where committing to that of the next five years that's a huge say handing over the keys the chef each side of shaken by please take care of it you know well yeah have you say that but i think you're community by decision making it's really important i don't think we'll see direct credible here in a hurry i think i think the issue of just getting some pedigrees projects will be a challenge enough said will will will say that but yeah this is another area where where collaborating really closely with colleagues and u s and a loving shabby information on unloading because were all in this together really yeah you're probably aware one of the things that i that we've that's happened in u s and that i've been been involved with is a using beer brewed with every recycled water as a way to get the public an elected officials excited about the potential end actually try to get them over the young factor right a and so if there's ever an opportunity to a to work with utility in a brewery down in australia we'd love to a love to be involved with you on that song oh yeah yeah you you mentioned you're organization i definitely wanna chit had talk kind of about the the role of your organization in australia and how you kind of helped the water sector move forward yeah so so what a subset of a stretch where the take forty four the old water utilities around the country tree and also we've got a couple of members new zealand tight with scott saw what a kid runs all plunge which is a pretty big outfits an wellington mortars well which runs wellington which we locked her husband is the world's coolest subtle capital very very small capital city but not quite a cool little place so look out key role here's that collaboration because members in competition with each other they're very open to sharing and that's the beauty of working working for an organization i should also i'm so proud to be your leading this organization because i'm so proud about members that they're they're so willing to just share an end i think town you know we when we come up but so so now the port of what we do policies is open border policy 'em the current federal government is not really interested in open water 'em you know that's fine that it yeah under the constitution open borders rarely this tape ice rot about about when you argue when you argue a firm a cd point of view and even colder strengthened cities and the and the jd pay the guy provide the mortar is really important at the national level however another story but i think we were all about good policy settings rollback of collaboration role about sharing innovation and re such as much as we possibly can 'em and we have we have board committees we've got a border that ten which is just forty utility ceos plus myself a they're all elected and then we've got bored committees which caught up in three areas and networks like how that nearly any oddity of motorcycle more drinking water quality three to 'em energy efficiency yeah we have a we cover it all and that's the that's that's what we do we we developed musician papers we developed a probably the most exciting project we've done recently is set in a very very proud of memphis doing this twentyfive members handed i've got a their entire general that job so we were able while benchmark old there operational costs across the hundred and fifteen different categories an and not even a plot same melbourne water which doesn't run doesn't have a retail function so so even if you didn't have a hundred and fifteen even if you didn't have double figures nice hundred fifteen categories deacon still benchmark yourself across say fifty or sixty or seventy you know that's a that's been enormously powerful because we don't run off to the media or the press with that that's not it's not about that it's about uplifted industry and so what we do then is is set of mary opt in a team disservices not saying that that's the best in the end the best and they say shall we say the need improvement utilities 'em in certain sectors that we've had many of them 'em set of at a very high level g l y sport costa really high end of actually pulled a knife this perfect the broad attempts to upset facilities which which they probably have about thirty four touchdowns only two of their facilities where they've got really high chemicals calls for some reason and they've been or have you been up to bring it down so that's the power of these 'em all picks benchmarking were were looking now to develop that into a texas so operational costs capital 'em that will take about it you use use worked as a site is about uplifted industry cross that's what we're here for uplifting industry no not necessarily the guy running off and incredible news which just create it going along with that you've talked about collaborating with coordinating west learning from a colleagues like in united states and again when we spoke previously talked a lot about the working relationship with a uk under the water sector there and obviously you have a special connection uk at as we do u s a different connections but could you talk a little bit about that you're relationship yeah the show where we were sort really developing that some you're we have a lot of interaction it's it's it's it's funny isn't it the tyranny of distance you know it's it's really it's twenty twentythree off lot to get from sydney through the london ballots in twins and it's much easier if it gets from sydney the ally that's ficials say there is a bit of tyranny of distance also the i think the key thing that detracts off to working with uk is that they're very similar the deeply integrated nc sunday low cost they also look after the catchment through to sewage treatment and and i do recycling as well but some of the some of the real issues that we're looking at with him is because they're privately orange ron when the fetchy government property sold sold it off 'em that it brings a different focus to what they're doing and affects a lot of the customer century city a lot of the customer value what we've actually borrowed very carefully from from now you you can pops because they've got they've got competition 'em in the non residential section saying that said if gotta be more focused on on customer value that's going to be more focused on on on producing 'em affordable products and services folks were letting a law in that regard world so yeah there's a lot of again life uspa sharing information say about whitewashing issues watch faces simon simon you tight were letting lots a without a uk town of pops around 'em operational professional a benchmarking they learning from ause you know they they've really impressed about the contribution memphis and the leadership that al members have taken on on signing onto this dynamic development calls that something's i tend not to do so 'em ups i'm just noticing on twitter today the water uk which is very similar to also very sunny more or less the same open as i score forty uk have released a document around their social license to operate sunday yeah that that i'm on track at the side the that's actually said to us you know they're looking to add leadership in that in that respect so so we share a lot because with medically integrated like them an edge because of the customer focus 'em in some areas of what you tied do of course they've got that access to europe and the big money floating around in innovation spice so we looked at that as well but we all said look them in the future of regulation of what we walk off walk there the economic regulator is doing so there's a lot to share 'em many members have one one relationships 'em ways between themselves because they're in competition morty ties of different private so also 'em thought were finding were actually exploring wise in fact i hop my board and half the uk board we met recent two weeks ago in london to talk about credit collaboration and this climbing to work home side so we're enjoying it and i think again yeah we also collaborate on a through the water research coalition we'll say collaborate with you they 'em so there's a number of different collaboration pop lies always looking to share what all sudden learn from people doing it better all all the best around around the world i i appreciate us getting have this conversation hopefully it will a find some way to further the collaboration and i think a when we when we had a previous conversation i also mentioned that i hope to a hope to see you down there someday it's i have lived a nazi yeah i have not made it australia but i have a real burning desire to get to get down that way so yeah good stuff thank you so much and a yeah enjoy you're a year weekend thank you so much dr is really really good debate with you were on august

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"Yeah. I think also in addition to the growl. Yeah, we should perhaps do the John Oliver thing, which I love. Yet by the table. Banging he does does he dress bad on purpose? I actually said last night when I watched it. He looks great we dresses. Well, what do you not like the way Dr? 'cause you're the worst dresser. And the fact that you think that's. Who smiles literally going to? I think he's going to to like, I gotta make sure they're not a sponsor JC Penney. Even still a store. It is still a store are they? Okay. Yeah. That's what he's doing out of advertising dollars. Yes. He's going to. But this show is great. Yeah. One of the one of the best shows on TV, always good. All right. So tonight, we got Lakers. What are we doing tonight? Lakers. Wizards in the two teams that have dramatically underachieve like both teams thought they would be like getting ready for the playoffs and tuning up. And instead John wall goes down for the year. Dwight Howard goes down for the year. Trevor REEs probably won't play tonight. And then damn we accidentally one one against Sacramento. What the hell is going? Yes. So night is tonight's interesting because neither team winning is not in either team's best interest like tomorrow night, Utah right air in this four-team logjam for spots four through eight in the west. They need this go. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know my guess is LeBron won't play in both games. But I don't know which one is going to sit. So he could play tonight and not go to Utah because we're two games behind Washington for the seventh from the bottom. And so this is a huge game in the reverse standing who's. So maybe you sit LeBron tonight play tomorrow night when you're facing a better team. Yeah. I don't know. They haven't announced they've listed LeBron as probable, and they they said at some point throughout this whole mess that he probably wouldn't play on both ends of back to back which what we have tonight tomorrow. So my thought would be maybe sit him tonight play tomorrow, and you know, because Utah's is more competitive and Utah's a good team. Yeah. Then it it makes for you kinda get what how are you going through this, man? This is like, oh it Ruutel. Yeah. But it is what it is. I mean, the the games are still fun to go to say, I'd rather we have two games in the author. The for the what's the capacity. They're nineteen thousand people. What's a capacity at Staples. I think yeah, it's a little more than nineteen right? The the stands in full. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No able or going that don't normally get to go for the people that are there. It's awesome for the people. I can't I can't even bear to put on the TV for. Well, you're forgiven. Yeah. I mean, I just heard. I know he give one the remote, man. The final of temptation island tonight. It's you got other options like ping pong all season. Already six throw. It is very much pingpong balls tonight is a critical ping pong ball game. Yes. Yeah. This is you talk about must win. If there was ever such a thing as must lose this is unless loo look at the standings. If we want to have any hope of catching Washington, we've got to lose this game tonight. So I actually I wanted to go with something completely out of the box here ready. Yep. All right. So have you seen the rules changes that have been proposed by the NFL some? Okay. So one of the rules that is under consideration by the competition committee is that you will have a chance to review calls on pass interference and hitting a defenseless receiver. Yes, we could call this the kell Roby Coleman rule because he just laid out. Well, let me have him say we won't get straight to the point of call about last night. Obviously us met designers put that boy on put on a waffle house front hand. No never gets old for me. Yeah. I literally could play it every day. And it would be it ranks me ranks right up there with with. This. This is Momo. I honestly don't think I farted in that. One. All plays. Deb, Nicole Roby Coleman's better before ranking them. Yup. Been spoken some Pontiacs. Jason. But I think that Cal Roby Coleman thing is the quote of the year one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean somebody's got to knock it off right now. That's twenty nineteen about Don Nelson ponytail, San place. Smoke bond was that self evident. Well, I mean, it wasn't self evident until he said it just put it right out there. I mean did anyone think he wasn't? He's living in Hawaii with. I don't think the guy owns a sport coat anymore. No, he doesn't and he's rocking the ponytail. Right. So here's the thing. Do you support the idea that if passer farance is called you can call for a review if hitting a defenseless receiver is called you can call for a review, I'll give you one one one review of your head coach. Now, here's the weird thing. And I think most coaches would save it in to prevent exactly what happened in the NFC championship game. No, it wouldn't non calls cannot be reviewed. I would let him do. It. Only calls that the official competent. What committee decision is you can review calls, but you can't review? Non calls. So it would have had no impact on the Nicole Roby Coleman smack in his ass and put an on waffle house frying, I would allow one super challenge and that is a super town. Yes. But you get you only get one, right? And it's in the event that you think there was an agreed non call or miscall or whatever it gives the officials the leeway to review the play see if they notice anything that should have been called or could have been called differently, and you go from there, but you get one I wanna hear about any more than one Sean Payton is pushing this new rule, even though it would have no effect on the Nicole Roby Coleman. I think he's being shortsighted. So I think it's I think it's a dumb rule. I don't think you change nothing. I would change nothing. Because here's the thing. Officials have always gotten stuff wrong. And if you look at the average pass. Interference call in slow motion. Who the hell knows? It's so subjective. That two people can look exactly the way you feel like you know, what happened on that Nicole Roby Coleman played. Yeah. But that's a non call. Right. That's being under the Ireland plan. We would consider not petition committee isn't considering they're stupid. They they're stupid. But they're not. That's not a rule. That's in play. Yeah. They would they don't realize the whole country saw that. And that it's going to happen again, unless they fix it. It's going to be like the desperate catch thing. You know, they kept messing with the Cattrall. And then all of a sudden Dez Bryant catches what appears to be a winning touchdown in Green Bay. They overturn it. Because there or the Tom Brady tuck rule, both those rules and change. Now, the rules were changed, right? After those plays. They were called right. But the rules were at the time they were called, right? There was no mechanism for review on the Nicole Roby Coleman play, but there should be. And I think that if they don't if they do what they're talking about doing and don't give them any mechanism to change non calls, then it's going to happen again. Right. But don't you think the average pass interference? Call can always go either way some. Yeah. I mean, it's so you slow it down you look at to officials can look at it slowdown right and reach completely different conclusions. I don't know anyone with two is or even one. I who looked at that play and thought it was called, correct? We're talking about the Nicole will become yes. But I'm talking about the average pass interference. Okay. So but again, I'm going back to this. You only get one. So if you want to use it on a play that is not definitive you risk. Then you're out of challenge. Don't do. Do you not see what I'm saying that to ficials can look at the same plan in? And so reach a different conclusion knows who gets say who the review Fisher, whoever whoever sees it. He tells that official. Here's what I saw. It's the same thing happens in the NBA. They go look at the review, they can change it. They can reverse a call. But the personnel review fouls in the person who has the ability to look at the play. Slow motion seven or eight times in their view centers should have final say. Yeah. But we can look at it seven eight times and still not agree on it. Right. So if you can't agree that, it's call stays. It's gotta be. It's gotta be indisputable evidence. NFL games have gotten longer and longer there. Now over three hours and twenty minutes. Right. Adding time to the end of game right with one super timeout for each coach, right? They're not always gonna use it. They're going to save it because they wanna be able to use. You'll save it. Now. Let me throw you the other actually coming up next. I'll throw you the other rule, which is the either totally stupid or absolutely inspired. I'm very one sided on this rule. If you're going where I think you're going. Okay. I very strong feelings about this at the onsides kick real. Yes. Okay. Let's do next. That is a great great idea. All right. Opening day this Thursday with me an Ireland clermont's galley in San Gabriel from eleven AM to three PM Ireland said to me, you know, we should really start early Mace. So we're starting at eleven AM. Did you check what I asked you about we go until what worry PM? Okay. Eleven AM to three PM will be live watching the dodgers opening day. Maybe you don't have spectrum like the rest of the seventy came on ESPN. It's blacked out on ESPN get it on spectrum or and you can watch the game as it's happening, or if you don't wanna pay opening day ticket prices same thing, we will give you tickets at that event to our next movie night avengers and game, you can win tickets to that Mason in Ireland t shirts of whole bunch of other cool stuff. That's this Thursday. Cleremont galley in San Gabriel. Mason Ireland ESPN LA I decided let's not play any music when we come back. You did not did Jay Phillips sleep. No, I collaborated with Jan this. I said, let's let's not even play. I'm covering for J. Let's by I'm fallen on the grenade for J. Let's let's not throw Jay. Here. You know, what here watch this watch this people are listening. Oh, it's a do over. It's a mulligan. Hey, there you go sounds that sounds better. You know, who that is? Yes. Hold on. This is Milly vanilla. Is not what I had. It is actually the number one song in the world right now. It's by the Jonas brothers. Okay. I very a random thought, maybe I already shared this with you. I can't remember if I did this on her off the ramp thought about the Jonas brothers three of them. Correct. That is correct. One of them is is engaged to Sophie Turner, who plays sons stark on game of thrones super famous super hot. Yeah. Another one of them, married. Preoccupied Chopra who is really beautiful super famous super hot a big wedding in India. Right where she apparently V biggest female star need. She's like a Bollywood star. Right. So the third Jonas brother, and again, I don't know any of their names. One of them's Joe one of them's yo Kevin. And is there's a Nick. And there's I think those are Joe Kevin Nick, I don't know which one is with which girl, but my thought would be this. The third Jonas brother is married to like. A normal girl like somebody that that isn't an actress and isn't famous so when the six of them like go out to dinner, right? This girl has to be incredibly secure in her own physician in life. Right. 'cause nobody's looking at her. Nobody's looking at the third to be feeling. Hold up her name Danielle Jonas, and she is very beautiful. Well, Jabal their jobs, of course. It's just not famous yet yet. Yeah. So apparently, she was on a reality show like her and whatever Jonas further she was married to says, she owns a jewelry company. Well, they may have been hatched out of the reality show like the first year married day out, but I'm a little embarrassed cope. I don't know don't be picking on more about Kevin's Kevin someone married to Danielle. Yeah. Now is Joe the one married to Priyanka or is that the winning gauged? Sophie Turner, Nick is involved or is married to Priyanka. All right. So Joe dates Sophie turned son's, yeah. Who I'm predicting goes out early in game of thrones. Because everybody likes her she's really pretty they're gonna take her down as a shock to the fans. Think me, and you I I had I not for well first of the big eight. So if the big eight. Are like John denarius, sir. See Tyrian sons aria who'll even got to be a couple, Jamie night. King, jamie. Yeah. Those the eight. Yeah signs it goes. I. I think it's going to be okay. Oh, I got a new theory, by the way. Oh, yeah. My mind Entertainment Weekly got to pick up a copy they've done an entire magazine just about game of thrones with every little bit of detail that will help you catch up maps. And okay, people who do the costumes and the music and all kinds, my friend Bryanne who listens. You've met her. She comes she come to remote. She's huge attractive. Lebron you know that done. Remember, I love her. She's fantastic. And you would love if you probably don't remember. But you do love her. I have facial record her dad. Greg has come out to our Gulf remotes. Yeah. So. I know so big gigantic USC. All right. So Bryant was jogging the other day and she stops. And she says to me, I think figured at the end of game of thrones said you did not. But her theory is interesting, and I haven't heard it yet. Okay. This brand's theorem full credit. If this happens. She says that it's is it brand or Bram who is talk. Bree are a m VRAM. Okay. She thinks Bram is the night king and when he drifts off into those whereas is rollback trance and Cree. And all things that's when the night king comes alive, and she says it's going to be all resolved in the end that he is the night king. And and that's how it's gonna end. And so he becomes the key which right, which I hope isn't true for this simple reason. His is the one story line. I've never been I've never hooked into. He went away. Like, you'll notice I didn't even mentioned him in the big eight. Yeah. If so I hope hold around on a sled. I got no idea but bird those who to her to her point. Why leave them around unless there's a payoff? Well, there's definitely pay off some kind of due to his storyline. Right. I mean, everybody storylines gotta get paid off. Yeah. So my new theory is that somebody is going to be on the iron throne, and they're going to reach them pull off their mask like face. Like, it's going to be are you that she's going to be busy many face? She she will pose as somebody like she killed Walter fray. Correct. Yeah. Then fed him supply of his son of a son son pie. They thought all right now, let's get to the side kick. And because we have an update with an update on the whole thing. Right. So this rule was proposed in the competition committee, and they're nine guys in that competition right nine owner in the rule was this. They're very worried about injuries, and and they're constantly trying to figure out a way to to tweak kickoffs and punts because a disproportionate amount of injuries. On specialty. Yes. So one of the proposals was instead in the fourth quarter. Yep. Instead of onside kick say you're behind and you need the ball. You would be allowed to have one play on. It was on the thirty five yard, right? Five yard line fourth and fifteen right. And if you made it you keep the ball, right? And if not the other team takes over at the line of scrimmage. In the competition committee eight or four it in the only one against it was John John Maher, the owner of the giants who said something along is is I believe this was his exact voice. John Mara thought it will translate. He's he actually said what is this arena football up? And so John, right. He did sound like that. So John Mara was against it. Now in order for something. Like this to pass you need to vote twenty four of the thirty two. Yes, now first of all before they had the vote today before we tell you what happened. I love this idea. I think it's stupid. Oh, I agree with old, man. Mar. Well, you're going to win because they voted it down. Yeah. We don't know who voted it down. But here's the thing. And by the way, it had nothing to do with injury. They just wanted to raise the odds. Onsides kicks work seven percent of the time in fourth and fifteenth. We're a little more than that like sixteen percent or something. And they so they were going to just try to increase the ball. But why wouldn't you? If your team is ahead. I mean, if you're watching a game that had most games we watch have. We don't have rooting interest like ram games. Right. You do raider games. I used to but mostly games. We watch were just watching the we wanted to be competitive that one more competitive if you're you're down twenty eight to fourteen you score with a minute and a half to go. The only way you're getting the ball back is by do you want to give the team? That's losing that much of an advantage was it's only seven percent or eight percents guys. Like Aaron Rodgers guys like Tom Brady guys like that. Well, they they still have to score. They still have to score. But all they need is a field goal. So another in this case, they would've needed teen to take him to the fifty then they need about it. I said if the scores twenty fourteen right Packer score, right? Onside kick they do the fourth and fifteen reading. So this gory thirty five right? They score again. And it's twenty eight twenty one but they have to score. Touchdown right. So and then they'd have scored another touchdown. Right. But the point is if you're up twenty if you're. Up twenty eight to twenty one or if you're down twenty one twenty eight so you're down by seven, and you just scored you get the ball on your own thirty five you convert that fourth and fifteen all the sudden you're at the fifty yard line. Right. And if it's only a field goal game they can time with they apparently someone it it is a bunch of malarkey that was totally accidental. But yeah, why would you wanna give the team that is behind that much of an wanting front? I went to to be close. Well, I want to I want to team that's a head which is usually mined the Rams Davin advantage and for their they're going to be games where the Rams are hind. And you want this as I mean anything that makes game more competitive I'm for but it's not gonna pass. So the the end result is got shut down today. They could revisit it. But it will not happen this year and. There will also be no change or there's the rules regarding replay have also been tabled. So everything stays the same. Everything stays the same. So that was a half hour of radio. To something. Not gonna jumping, you know. What I you know? I nailed it in honor of that. Yeah. I'm gonna sue the NFL. And you know, where I'm gonna start a you will be the first by the way, I'm starting with legalzoom. Excellent. I'm going to tell you five things that business owners can count on from legalzoom dot com. Number one reliability over two million people have usually zoom to start their business. 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Even more legalzoom where life meets legal legalzooMcom Mason in Ireland ESPN LA. Hey, what's going on Tuesday? Ireland's in the house. And actually you're here all week yet. Do the show to more from Utah? You're flying into Utah tonight tonight tonight all nighter. We don't know. Yeah. All nighter tonight and all nighter tomorrow night. And then so when I show up at what's the name of the place women's galley it Clemens galley and Thursday. Anything goes excellent. I made spin off the planet. Awesome. We're going. We're going eleven to three eleven drinks flowing ranks will be flown dodgers will be playing and we'll be partying. When are we picking visions? We pick individuals today or tomorrow. No. I think we should do it today. Okay. Yeah. I think we should do. Good. What we we see something? Good now. We'd never anything. Good. I thought we did. No. Let's talk about the Jason Kidd thing. Okay yesterday. It came out. Whoa, jr. And Marc spears both reported that Jason Kidd would be at the top of the list potentially for the Lakers after Luke Walton fire. All right. So what's interesting about that is? You look at the Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah. And you look at how they played when Jason Kidd coached them. And then when they brought Mike buttonholes are in. Yes, they took off. Yup. It's almost identical to win. Mark Jackson coached the warriors. And then they brought Steve current and the warriors just took off. So he coached one year in Brooklyn went forty four and thirty eight coach three and a half years in Milwaukee went one thirty nine and one fifty two. I'm not sure why. Now, I do know read on this. And apparently the two thousand eight redeem team he in LeBron jails. Okay. You have hit the nail on the head as to why we have to take this rumor with some seriousness not a ton. Like, I think right now that especially in this land of social media. That it very well could be Jason Kidd, and his people just putting this out notes seeing whether or not it's still trial balloon test balloon but villa name in the right? But the reason you have to at least entertain the idea is that and you said this over and over really at the end of the day. The most important criteria for the next. Laker coach is that LeBron buys in. Yeah. You don't have time to wait for further. I'd say LeBron picks him. I think that not unfair. But they will spin it a different way. I mean, but at the end of the day, if LeBron's not on board, it doesn't work here's white. And for that reason, I think and again, I go, okay. Kid stuff. Here's Jason Kidd on the possible. Lakers on the jump yesterday. Right ching, vacancy pacing and this process. But you know, what Luke STAN L A with all the injuries and everything that's gone on. I think he's done a incredible job, and they have a coach. And so we'll wait to the season's over to see what opportunities come about. And hopefully, there's one f fits here's some more, Jason Kidd. I think when you look at the Lakers as a whole it's is a franchise that is one of the best in the world. Not just you know, an MBA but the world, and so if you ever had the opportunity to wear purple goal, you you can't turn that down as a coach as a player because they're all about championships. And here's what he would do different. If he was the Lakers head coach, you talk about having more fun. You know, not dying on each possession. Coach you die and you live die with these possession. I think you've got to be able to sit from afar and say, hey, got kids are gonna make mistakes, and you gotta live with them. But have that atmosphere where? It's fun shoot a lot of threes. Get stops late in the game. And then go onto the next game. So it sounds to me like he's definitely interested in the job. I think you're right. There's no way to know if he's pushing this out there, or if the Lakers are in fact interested in Jason Kidd, right? Let me. Make a case for something. All right. I'll do it next. I I think that there's something there's a bigger picture here that not enough people paying attention to and I'll get into that next. I let me tell you about my guy, Matt Unger. You know, Matt as the guy is the man. Alexa, Santa Monica. Great dealership. Great people. They're always there to help. You bought my mom's car there last year? Now, Matt has added Toyota's Santa Monica as the new GM there too. So he's running both dealerships. And if you're looking I if Toyota's on your list, the first thing that did was add valley parking make it easier. Just pull into that lot. Throw them your keys, you'll get in and out, then the they got busy duplicate the great guest experience. They have it likes to Santa Monica and bring it over to Toyota. They're making deals the Mirai. The new electric car is is on their lot now. And they're they're selling that like crazy go visit Matt younger now at two dealerships Lexa Santa Monica until iota Santa Monica, by the way, those two places have excellent used car lots as well. That's why I ended up doing for my mom. I bought a car that was two years old. She loves it. Toyota's Santa Monica, Lexus, Santa Monica, proud members of the L A car guy family of dealerships who should coach the Lakers lead into that next ESPN LA now you're talking. Yeah. Everything in the library now. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA, we're talking to make you think of silence of the lambs that either that or fast times of ridgemont high those two sounds lamps you remembered in that was playing in the beginning. She's singing right before she gets kidnapped. Yep. Don't ever help a guy with a cast on his arm to put a couch into van that? That's what you took from them lights out. Absolutely. Don't you think that's a good lesson to be learned? I think the lesson to be learned to stay away from Hannibal Lecter costs stereo. That too that too. All right. So we were talking a little bit about the rumors floating around about maybe Jason Kidd is the next Lakers head coach, and you said you had some thoughts. Well, here's here's my thought if they were to do to bring in Jason or anybody else. And I don't want to come off here as naive. I know. I'm I'm looking at all the same reports. Everybody else's right. But it will be their fifth coach in nine years. Right. Mike Brown, Mike dantonio Byron, Scott, Luke, Walton. And then whoever they bring in. Yep. At some point. You gotta stop the clown car. You've got to commit to somebody. All right. Luke Walton had the seventh best defense on Christmas day when LeBron got hurt. And then it all went to crap. Right. I you can you can bring me Jason Kidd, and you can bring me all these outside people, and you can say this is a guy we're going to go with. But if the if the only condition of the job is we will Brian has to sign off on it. I would make sure you how long conversation with LeBron about Luke because I I don't I'm curious. What you think I don't think the reason they fell apart? This year was coaching. Do you personally know, but it did come out right after the first of the year somebody in LeBron's camp was talking to some Jackie MacMullan. Right. And said who is in Jackie MacMullan is an unimpeachable source. She's unimpeachable. Yes. She is the word. I'm looking for you said that. Lebron's people would rather he play for a different coach. Okay. Now to me that was death-knell guy. Great. But if that's true, I think LeBron is people should reconsider because every time you change the coach you've got to go back to square one. And I know the Brian has played for what does that really mean? Go back to square one. Well, is if all you wanna do is square once score one sucks, right? But but that's about where we're where we are now sucks. Correct. But I don't think it's coaching now. Is there a chance that they keep Luke and bring in some more veteran assistants, or do you think that you believe the report, you think he's I think the die was cast awhile ago, and it's not unusual for LeBron. I mean, we can say, oh, you know, they're gonna can can collaborate with LeBron LeBron's going to say this is the guy wanna play for you've signed up for the LeBron James e ticket experience in one of those things. Is LeBron is going to pick his coach all right happen. Again, if his pick is Tyler do, which I think is likely. Yeah, I do too. But but Taia take leave of absence last year because it almost killed him. Well, he had a medical issue was ever traced to specifically coaching very serious heart. But that doesn't mean it was because of coaching. No, he that's what he thinks his his heart broke because he was coaching. Yeah. He thinks it was burnt out physical burnout because he was you know, what does that just it was that coaching LeBron or is that just coaching who was coaching the cabs? Remember, they revamped the whole team at the all-star break. I do they traded to Wayne Wade, and they traded Rodney hood, and then they they got journo nine right? We're treated. They trade Jordan Clarkson will they traded roster. Right. They got rid of like six guys, we took Channing Frye. And you know, it was. So and then he made it to the finals anyway, but I think. There's something to be said for consistency and five coaches in nine years is tough. That's not consistent. Yeah. But six losing seasons is all to debt you five nine year. That's very consistent. I still most important thing in my opinion is that they get some another all star to play with LeBron. That's the whole. That's that is the whole bogging the whole ballgame is, you know, they've they've got to make the right moves this summer. And if you're not gonna hit a home run, you gotta hit doubles off the wall because LeBron is on the clock. He was great. This year did suffer as most serious injury of his career miss more time than he's missed an any game that is likely to he's always going to be at risk for that now because there'd be in his age thirty five season extra. Yeah. But what does that mean hitting double off the wall? I got in this discussion with Andy cabinets that he says you can't continue to build a team with guys on one year contracts. But completely but the problem with that is all right. So you wanna give of four year deal long-term hundred million dollar deal to a second tier group of free agent. Doesn't have to be a four year deal like local Julius Randle got last year. Right nine million plus a player option for nine million. That's what Andy says you can't do he says you can't continue John that is a two year one year deal of the team. It was a second year player Ofek. But at least the player has some sense of security moving forward because what you've got right now is a bunch of transients, right? It's a very transient situa didn't help that came out in the middle of the season. You know might trade all Rondo unlikely to be here. I can't imagine land. Stevenson, can't imagine development Hannah magin these guys coming back. Can't imagine Ville McGee. He's been really good. But they're all short timers. Right. If you're shorttimer, you have a different approach, you're not actually part of building something if you know, you're not going to be there next year. Right. But I think you gotta be careful about pulling another Lou all dang Timofey. Mas. Here's. Here's the thing is trading for Bradley Beal is that a double off the Waller at Homer. That's homerun. Okay. He might be. He may be thirteen NBA. Okay. So he he will. He's a perfect complementary Brian, and he will potentially be one of the guys that is available at there. So you consider that to be a home run? Well, see, I don't know if he is because I what did the wizards. Look like, then I mean, he's tonight. We could see Bradley Beal played tear down mode, are they? Yeah. There interred fit. A why would you give Beal? I mean, you you already committed forty million. They traded porter. You can't get rid of John wall. If you're going to build you've gotta move Bill. Well, I don't think you do. I think you can get rid of Dwight Howard. They already got rid of Otto porter. You can I think build around the back court. You do a Portland. Okay. So did you see? Well, no. I mean, wizards control it. But we'll see did you see nurtures injury last night. It is simple to watch. I I was watching the get up this morning. I didn't see a live as watching the get up. They warn you in advance. No, they didn't. They said, we're not gonna show this to you. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's something that was comparable to the Paul. George injury was almost identical. Yeah. He's I mean, he's going to be out for your needs. Tibia and his fibula. And and I it so so sad and he was having like a monster seven and a really good season. And now they could be in the first round with out CJ McCollum, and they are now without use of Norwich. Thank you scratch Portland off the contenders hail Mary list. Yeah. No. I look here's the thing. When you have everybody on a one year deal show me contract. They're showing for themselves. They're not necessarily showing for the team. Like they're playing for their next contract. You want somebody playing for your team not for your next contract? Right. Well, again, I don't think any of it matters. She can get another all star. Yeah. I think that's what you gotta do. Right. And I think and there are some guys out there the second tier? Well, I mean, there's actually they're all starts. They're sort of second tier stars. Now. You know, it's possible that Philly doesn't does. Go to the finals that they will decide not to keep either Tobias Harris. Well, that's a good example, you give one of them for your deal. I think they're both getting it. Yeah. There then getting it somewhere towards like we talk to Larry Koon last week. He says everybody has so much cap room that guys are going to get maxed who you wouldn't. Normally think of as max players like, for example, Chris Middleton is going to get a max he's a real player. See this is. So this is where we get into the argument. I was Andy he says you can't build around when you're contracts anymore. You at some point you have to build a team. And I said, okay. But if you wanna pay the going rate to to build this team, then you're you're tying up your money for four years with guys that you just mentioned guys who are second tier maybe barely all stars. But you don't have a lot of the problem is you don't have any choices. I mean, this is what you're going to be left. I mean crack eighties. Not come. In clay's, not common Kawais too early to say a like, I don't know what trance doing. He's coming here. But I know he's not coming here. Because he said he he doesn't know Heine buddy plays in the toxicity down here. Once you use the word toxic. It means you cross come it's likely, and you know, you're you're at sort of the second tier of max guy. So you're at Kemba Walker year at Tobias Harris, you're at Jimmy Butler. You know, who knows what I'll tell you who's not staying in Boston is is Cairo Irving, but doesn't look like the human being on the face of the earth. That's another guy. I don't know what that guy's thinking. You know? You know, you would think that I went out of here. But why the teams got well, look, I mean they've just lost four in a row if it doesn't add up. It doesn't add a lot of teams though that are that are slump right now. Like, Oklahoma City is looks awful. Oklahoma City has hit the skids. They've just outright hit the skids. I think Boston is to degree not necessarily the other night. Golden State lost by dive at home. Yeah. Tadao? So there's been a weird. I don't know who did they start everybody. I didn't look at that game at all either either Katie or Steph didn't play I can't remember which one right? One of them. Didn't see I think that's that's different because Golden State clearly doesn't care they'll play anybody anywhere anytime. And if they're at full strength. I think they confident they're going to win Boston their their hand is there's rounding into shape, and there's losing form and they've lost their their form. Right now, it they they were gonna terrible skid then they put together a four game winning streak. And now they've lost foreign ROY. Oh, and they look awful. And I'm telling you his post game press conferences, our must see TV because he is going to be unhappy about every single thing that happened all not and the criticism Brad Stevens was new this last week. And I it's gonna make the off season fascinating. Yeah. The in that starts in may with the draft lottery when you know who has the number one pick. Then it gets really interesting because I'm believable. All man, your pick for the tournament came this close, you watch it, of course. I did. Okay. Nice things here. Didn't you have in the final four? I do. I'm in the final game. Yeah. But you I'm winning it. I do have young. Well, see now you so first place in the bracket. I am. Okay. Because I'm is my computer simulations, -solutely figured out your system. No. Now, the question is if I I think it's one of two things if I correctly, guess, it will you admit it. Okay. I will I'll get to chew cracks. And if I get it. Right. You have to admit I got it. Right. Who swings that it now? Mason Ireland ESPN LA.

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Episode #1426: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1426: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"Hi, it's Phil Hendrie and welcome to our final classic slash archive show of the week. Here at fill Henry show dot com and on our various and sundry podcast platforms. This is a show that is a classic. What we call the classic meaning it comes from our archives from prior to two thousand seven, and this is one that I just discovered by accident. If you go to our website if you're a subscriber, and I hope you get a subscription to our website, you'll notice under archives we have two things we have by date, and we have by category, and there was a category called old webcasts, and this was an old webcast and old video cast that we did at our studio. Premier radio. It was three sixty meaning it was one of these fish, I lenses that could see sort of around the I guess, today, or nowadays, they call it a panorama or landscape shot or something like that. But anyway, this is an old bit from when Colonel Gaylon Shaw, was a when general Gaylon show is a Colonel, and we called him, general, Colonel Shaw, a three or four months prior to this. He was he. He was Galen hall. So somewhere along the line, we changed his name from hall to Shaw, then back to hall again. But by the time we got to the current show his name is general Gaylon shot that having been said this bit is Colonel Gaylon Shaw, talking to us, about a new TV show is part of the people decide, where in one episode the crash of Princess Diana's Mercedes reexamined in an ultimately completely unacceptable way the people decide as to how the crash occurred, the people decide as to how certain people were murdered. They can also have their pictures taken with the models. Just, you know, sit there and Princess, Diana will sit up and put her arm around you to get a picture of her. It's really wrecked. It's a mess. It's what we do here at the world famous Phil Henry show. So let's listen to this when it comes to us from July twenty ninth two thousand and five July twenty ninth of two thousand and five and that was a remember that was a momentous summer for me. I don't know what I was doing. That was a summer that just went by in a blur. For as things in my personal life are beginning to devolve in no doubt. Whatever warped stuff was happening in my life. It was making its way into the show. And as I said, this is also a video cast webcast that if you're a, a backstage pass subscribe, you can watch it go to our website, fill in reshow dot com and get a subscription to our website and access to all of this fun stuff. Here it is from July twenty nine th two thousand and five Colonel Gaylon Shaw with his TV show called the people decide, this is the Phil Hendrie show. We have Colonel Gaylon. Shaw's retired United States. Army is with us, and they have the brand new reality show, that is being shopped for production and Colonel. Thank you for joining us, because I know that you are a very much a history and it's a reality television program, I've ever heard of a member of the military, being involved at a production level. But this does have history as a subject, right? It does fill. Thank you for allowing. Us to on your program this evening. We are excited about being a part of this program called the people decide the recreation of historic events on a stage. The travels around the country in different cities, and displaying the historic event, using individuals actors as the models of for the principles, we think is a great way Phil to educate our young people. And, and if I can lend myself to an enterprise, such as that I see no reason why not to. And, and I've had to take a crash course in television production, but it's been very exciting. It's been very, very rewarding telly what, what you'd say the two most important perspectives of this is, it's the people in different cities can give you comments about the exhibit that is right. And it's the one that we're traveling with right now Phil, and that we just completed production on is the Princess Diana accident scene. And you recreate the vehicle as it was actually seen after the accident. Right. We took fill of the producers actually, in the individuals in the special effects section of the studio took in a nineteen Ninety-seven as to eighty Mercedes, and as as accurately as they could from the forensic reports and the police reports literally destroyed this car in the same manner, the same kind of damage and so forth, and we have actors that we don't use mannequins. We have real people who are posed felt and your listeners in exactly the same position. All right. As those who died that night in Paris, we've studied the forensic reports in the police reports, and we positioned the various actors and they're all playing parts like the parts of Diana. Yes. Well, the, the part of Diana Dodie, fired who has her escort that evening. The man who is with her Trevor REEs, Joe. Jones. Trevor REEs Jones who is the bodyguard and all repulsed who has, you know, is the show for these were the occupants of the car, the individual actors that we have posing are people that zoom, the exact position of each of those people when the paramedics arrived. No, we sped up as a three quarters of a million dollars, traveling the United States with this exhibit, and we presented it in various locales, then we interviewed people who are invited free of charge to look at the crime scene. And then the people decide what, what are they decided? So they're looking at these actors in this post in the death poses that is correct. Yes. So there's an actress who is Princess Diana. And she is in the exact position Princess Diana was in, when she died, as well as Dody fired. Yes. And, and the people decide villas to who might have perpetrated this crime, was it am I six was it that the drunken chauffeur was it paparazzi and. People will we take five minute breaks, every hour so that the actors get a chance to stretch did you did you see photographs of the accidents in so that you can recreate this? No, phil. We haven't actually seen photographs we reconstructed the scene based upon what we believe based upon the experts that we've hired in a production capacity. What these people must have looked like when the ambulance arrived are this is very specific. And we feel our reconstruction is accurate, absolutely accurate. In fact, right now, the one comment I heard from some of the people that have seen this is that the Princess Diana character is indeed. It looks like she's impaled on some part of the steering column, and that, that was a report that we heard as well. Was that ever confirmed? Phil, we she was impaled on the steering column. I read that as well. And we do have our actor this steering column appears to be coming out of the back of the actress who. Boy, that's gotta be tough. Well, it's tough to look at. And yes, we we've, we've said, we don't we don't want to edit it out, though. The photograph of the exhibit, you were that you were talking about earlier. But I saw in your exhibit photo, there appears to be a body part hanging from the rear view mirror of the of the destroyed car. We believe filled through our forensic, reconstruction and forgive me for your listeners, we believe that would be the head of the reportedly impact was that strong that the head come or his head come off, and it is very difficult, obviously to, to, to talk about this. And it's I think it's important. And so this was televised. We videotaped every city ever in and they're going nattering down Phil. We're talking with Colonel Gaylon Shaw. United States army retired who's involved in production capacity on a new reality show called the people decide where they recreate. Historical scenes the show. They just got done shooting. They've recreated the accident. At least the accident scene of Princess Diana, her death in the Mercedes Benz in Paris in nineteen Ninety-seven. It has gotten a few rather, I would have to tell you have gotten some pretty critical reviews and we'll get to that in a minute. The body of Dodie Fayatte in your exhibit. The actor playing Dodie fi is, is some fifty yards behind the accident. What is that part of a theory, or is that part of any photographs, you, you didn't see photographs? This isn't just it. We did not see photographs Phil. But this is this is based upon a very careful redoing of the forensic material. It is our belief that Doty Phya knowing the car was completely out of control a we believe he swung passenger. Pastor door open leapt from the vehicle in a Pontiac impact with the street his injuries would prove fatal. But he was able to crawl up onto the curb and pull himself up into a sitting position now. Why would he do that? Because he was a dignified man, and he didn't wanna die, obviously, he didn't wanna die with his head hanging from a rear view mirror, and so forth. And so being successful at pulling himself into a sitting position he died with a smile on his face. And that's why you're you see that in our exhibit, the, the, the actors that you use are they actual physical rep likenesses of I think we are as close as we can. And, and it depends on the city. We're in. Did you have to ask you this question because I heard that you played the part of Diana in one of the city's? Well, that's an interesting story. The actor that we the actress rather we'd hired to be Diana. Fell ill, very, very late in the evening when we were about to open exhibit. And somebody said, why don't you go out there Colonel, and we can sort of make it humorous. And I said, well, all right. And I put on a wig, and I went out and they put this contraption it looks like the steering columns going through my chest. And, and this kind of nonsense, there are times when you need to lighten up with humor. There are times when you just don't know what to do. And so you're out there in a blonde wig, and address with the that's correct. Tell you if I was still in the army, it would have been a quite a controversy, but we have a lot of fun. Trying to teach people about how Princess Diana died. It was very gruesome. Now, how do you offset the cost of this, because my understanding is people can have their photographs taken. Yes. People can go into the exhibit and sit down next to the bodies are to this kind of thing. And in one scene, we've got few people, we'll have the actress who's playing Diana set up for a moment and put her arm around the person who's taking the photograph. What do you people are saying this is in bad taste? Tell you why people will never say that Phil because I think this is why the producers hired me. I'm a respected. Former member of the United States army, and I don't think anyone would dare criticize any television production whatsoever. That involved a retired or active member of the United States. Army such is the feeling that people have about the military today. I don't think there's anything wrong with our program, but just in case someone believes it is in bad taste show. Very graphically. Yes, of course, the head of Doni fi dangling from the rear view mirror, they can be reminded that one of the producers is a member of the US bar, arly retired myself, and they immediately especially the members of the media immediately begin to shrink away. They, they, they think twice about whether they're going to open their big miles and, and criticize what is very important. It's not pretty the fact that a man's head is hanging from a rear view mirror as if it's a, a pair of. Dice that you might find a young Mexicans car, but I will tell you this as a member of the United States army for thirty one years, I saw combat in Vietnam. And elsewhere, very proud of being involved in this and very happy to know that my presence on the production, staff will keep this program from taking too much flak because then it gets important. We'll look at history should be recreated correctly. Don't you think absent Phil? I don't believe in anything more strongly than that. And then but you guys are going on theories that duty fi. Ed jumped from the car and didn't want to be seen laying face down. So he pulled himself up on a curb and knowing that he was able to sit up in a sitting position. He died with a smile on his face. There's no photograph in that. Is there based upon the forensic material we have we theorize that happened? Yes. We're talking here with Colonel Gaylon Shaw, Colonel Shaw's retired US army he is at work presently with a production team on a show called the people decide. It's a travelling exhibit. In this instance of the accident scene of Princess Diana's death. They have destroyed a Mercedes S two eighty the way her car was they've hired actors four of them more like models to assume the death positions. And it's really more their interpretation of the forensic material. It's at stay. That's question here. They have a steering column going through Diana's chest. Dodie fights sitting upright on a curb with a smile on his face all repulsive being decapitated with his head hanging from rear view mirror, and I don't know about Reese Jones. I'll have to ask him about that. Is this an accurate depiction of what happened that night, the world famous Phil Hendrie show, Phil Hendrie shell, you will kiss the gun? You will kiss the governor's daughter, take below for the makings. I'm here with general Gaylon Shaw, general Shaw retired, Colonel United States, army involved in a new program television show, a production called the people decide traveling exhibits showing crime scenes, and we're talking about the Princess Diana crime scene, that has been recreated by your show showing, the damage done to the what, what kind of Mercedes was it? Nineteen ninety seven s to eighty Mercedes, I sit in a very substantial automobile, but certainly nothing that was to withstand the impact at the high speeds that mister Paul was operating it on. And so that's why you're seeing a fairly gruesome recreate of seen with the steering column through Diana's head, not through our heads gives me thirty chest with Mr. Paul's head, you know, off and so forth before we get some calls. What are some of the other shows you're working on? So we get this in perspective. Some of the other shows that have nine I'm sorry. What are some of the other crime scenes? You're working on, well fill the next one that we have planned is the OJ Simpson crime scene, where mister Simpson had Bernard his wife and we have a hired a beautiful young woman to play a Nicole Brown Simpson. Got God rest, your soul. She is not exactly the physical. Type of Nicole, Nicole was to my understanding a slender. Young woman, we felt that with our next exhibit. We want to draw a certain demographic, I think, and so that's why the accuracy we've hired is going to be more amply. I suppose in doubt, if you'll pardon the expression. Well, I mean you look like a cool. Well, you're using you're doing what's called suspending belief. So Nicole Brown. Yes, she was a blunt believe this young ladies redhead with very, very ample charms. But it's all the same, you know, OJ Simpson is alleged to have almost cut his wife's head off. And I think that if you were to carry that through whereby there's, there's no head at all. I guess it doesn't matter who you have playing the actress. I want you to be aware of some of the things you're saying Colonel, I had with the greatest respect for army very much aware that things. I, I if I'm speaking out of school, I think, sir that you don't want to be involved in, in, in any production effort that may smack of exploitation of these events. No, no. Let me tell you I provide Vietnam I survived our campaign in Panama. And I will tell you now no one makes monkey out of out of Galen Shaw, no is going to try to make a tree swing and jump out of bed. I tell you that it's going to Stacey. Stacy higher on a Henry show. I think Colonel Shaw have made a monkey of himself, I called, because I thought it was ridiculous and laughable, that he would even consider his recreation of the Princess Diana accident scene, and Jodi pulling himself after smacking the pavement at ninety miles an hour, over to the curb, and setting himself up with a smile on his base to hear him say that he was going to have an ample in being address, familiar. Familiar. Ample actress and. Nicole Brown were you with? There. We have to make a success of these broadcasts with the greatest respect to your lady caller, Phil. I don't think she understands how television works. Yes. But, but history has to be respected. Mammoth stand. If you allow people to have their picture taken as well. Because we need to upset the production fuss to some degree, and people offer tising, throw, get any would be what would offset your production, con understand that. But when we were out on tour producing this we did not have yet been editor in advertising on board. Look, they throw us attend on Bill. We let them go in there and, and the actors it's, it's that's all fun now historical value, had a member. You historian, I, I was president some of the most of some of the most important historical moments link. Maybe like, maybe what you all think of dealing rather than trying to make profits off of Caribbean. Crime is, is to historical battles, so that people can maybe have a better understanding of what army has actually done for this country. You know what member that is a wonderful? I do I'll tell you what ruined ideal of these civil war, recreates the civil war recreate, here's have made those of us who made a life in the military. Look like weaken homosexuals running around. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I don't even think you were really in the arm. Okay. I tell you what you do you can call up the department of defense. I'd love to give you my love to give you my the down the full. Leash for you say civil warriors enactments, none of that is on TV. No you familiar with your station. It's picking up any of these shows the sooner and more reuniting, the civil war reenactments of very, very famous and very popular. And they have that people need to travel the Gettysburg to it. They don't have to look a channel on their TV. What station are these going to be airing because I would certainly call that TV station and suggested they not programmed. I'm producing the people decide you are proposing a boycott of our program ever. Not even seen it. I don't think that's very hearing the way that you've described it. Yes, I think that would certainly be in yellow toyed with be an order look until you what I think the problem here is the problem is you're not Princess Diana, and you wish you had her life. I am alive women, I children, grow up, and I'm sure that she would have much preferred that as well. Nicole Brown Simpson. We're going to have an ample Buzim dread. Head play. I think you are having the disrespect to your. And why do you say that? I totally disagree. Well, I'll tell you this, first of all, it's not a secret that the American female identified the Princess Diana, to the extent that many of them wish they knew her now, this is this has been verified by allergies. I could've maybe spent some time with George Washington or ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and I can show, you don't wish I were either of those gentlemen, in what sense, did you want to spend time with them? Here. You living here. Sure. Well, what does that mean? Well, she's insulting me. Even so you no. Have you want to spend a little, you want to spend a little special time with George Washington? I think forget, you know, man, you know, understand what why you having an ample rent. An ample was them head play Nicole Brown Simpson. But you do if you want to if you really want to enlighten, people we do. As a member of, like maybe you should find a better way of doing. So if you want to have anything with real, historical value me jump in here, the, the major, the major areas that would that the, this caller is finding fault, and frankly, I agree, the use of an ample, redhead, ample bosom bread head for Nicole Simpson. Mr. Henry Aetna? Hold on from it. Holand the fact that you've got your theorising things that happen at the accident based upon our reading of the forensic evidence. And let me tell you who have working for us. We have retired members of Scotland Yard we have retired members of the secret service. I think they're eminently more qualified evaluating forensic data than this lady or you. Yes, you have someone throw, you ten bucks to get their picture taken with Princess Diana with the steering column through our town. You're the or you with the wagon the drafts and the steering column gonna governor step down from your, the could've of bull breaker. That is, is. All right. That I hold, though. She's gonna she doesn't want me to make a dollar. The Phil Hendrie show is back. That's what I'll take a general spread the Colonel Gaylon Shaw, joins us Colonel Shaw, retired military. The program television show that you're involved in. It's called the people decide where there's a recreation of a historic accident scene or murder scene. There's been a lot of people talking tonight as and, and other times your recreating. The death scene of Diana, Princess, Diana, and you have the actress playing her with a steering wheel coming out of her chest. Doty fides head. What does that look like what is what looked like sir? The Dottie fans head hanging from rear view. Mirror whatever it did not hanging from the rear view. Mirror of the head is propped up on the dashboard. And the reason why I let me explain to you and one would think I wouldn't have to explain this to you or or anyone. What happened to Princess? Diana was a tragic event, it might have been engineered by British have I six filled there, there is some conjecture it might have been engineered by American intelligence. Apparatus, the apparatus it might have been a purely an accident. But when you are dealing with an event, that's so many American women invested so much emotional energy, and to the point where they were neglecting, perhaps themselves or their families, or just to the point where they were making themselves. Look a little foolish. I think it's important to take these events and to add a little bit of humor, so that these individuals who took the death of Princess Diana as something more than what it was simply the death of a beloved but nonetheless. Rather a vanilla member of the butter key. I mean, she really didn't do as my as my son would say, she didn't do Diddley, squat, when it came to any well, she was involved, the hold unfermented, Diana was involved in the land mines in the what I'm sorry, she was involved in what getting rid of land mines. Okay. Let's, let's take that as an example. What does that mean getting rid of landmines where? Do you understand what I'm saying were there land mines in London? Kids were stepping on or what I think, in the war torn areas. And, and whereas that well at the time I believe that she was involved in, in trying to get rid of landmines in, like, in the Balkans, vague as where most American women, and most American men on what it was. The Princess Diana was doing very vague. You don't know what that kind of work is. And therefore consequently, you don't know whether to take it seriously. He just join us, we're talking with Colonel Gaylon Shaw, the United States army, and he's telling us about the show the people decide where they recreate a historic seen. Now the recreation of the death scene of Princess Diana, where you wreck an S two eighty Mercedes where there's a steering column coming out of her chest where there's a head hang of propped up on the dashboard. We're Doty Phya drags himself pulls himself up onto onto the Kermit is with a smile on his face because he's dying fairly dignified way. All of this. You are kind of saying is being treated with some levity. It is a historical recreation Phillies well as we. Yeah. I know you said that, but now you're saying there's also some levity. Yes, obviously, there's some levity and the reason for that is very simply this, the American female during the time of what do you let the women? I mean, it wasn't this international and universal in what universal but we had in our country, a very disturbing trend. I think on American women who wished that they had been Diana Mortimore to the point. I think most American women wished that they known her or or wanted to feel as if they knew her. And so they became a obsessed psychotic. And as a result, we have done this recreation of her death scene, adding some levity. No disrespect, Justin levity. What makes you think it's funny, that just out of curiosity. I. Not here to defend Eddie editorial eight. Now what what's funny about Dodie fired? Leaping from a speeding car realizing he's fatally injured, crawls to the curb pulls himself up on the curb sits upright puts a smile on his face and then dies. What do I think is funny about that? Yes, What's funny, is that is that part of the humor? I, I don't think that there is anything funny about it. I think there is something poignant really about a man who would do that. But did he do that really? I would like to think that he did fell. I'd like to think that we would all do that. I would like to what you'd like to think that when you die, you'll crawl to occur, pull yourself, up and die with a swab your face wouldn't you? I don't know what I would do man. I would like to think that we would all have the good humor and the good nature that we're waiting to die where the steering column through our chest at our last moment. Someone requested can I have my picture taken with you? I'd like to think we have the Christian charity to say sure, go ahead as you pull yourself up on your one good arm. Let them take the picture. And then you drop back to the pavement debt a smile. You know what? I like to think of that smile on Doty fights faces the one he'd have his face right after he got done with a Anna Ben over a right. Wait here come grandkids. They've got some ice cream when he got for grandpa. All right. I gotta go fill. Yeah. You sure do. Gotta go man. Is this guy for real butter, not as quite a God swear to God, what I swear to God is he for real I swear to God. 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"The countdown to NBA free agency is underway and all eyes are on K, D, Kawai, kyri and more for games. Biggest art. How will the dominos fall and shift the power of the league into next season? Adrian awarded asking Brian Windhorst and Stephen a Smith standing by with the breaking news. The latest developments and the instant reaction. It's a must see addition of sportscenter eight tonight at six PM eastern right after PTO. We are all gearing up for what will be a huge week ahead and a big hour is coming your way. Jalen rose is standing by live. He's ready to go. And as always, we are live from above the Heineken river deck at pier. Seventeen south street seaport New York City, and here we go. We're getting up with a new dream team couldn't the Butler do it helped form the NBA's best big three in Houston. Fat is one minute away. Then do we need more answers about what happened in WI with Katie and Golden State? One of his teammates says he had issues with the way his injury was handled. It could mean big, and he was the Super Bowl MVP. And he's in the house. Don't miss Julian Edelman live on get up in this hour. Let's roll and it begins with the surprising bit of free agency news with all this coming just a couple of days away, and j will hear and Jalen rose their Jalen rose is live this morning in Detroit. Good morning Jay, we are delighted you'll be. Trump, a good to see you four days until free agency begins. And here's the big news. Whoa yesterday sentence Twitter on fire reporting that rockets, general manager Darryl Maury is interested in exploring a sign and trade for Jimmy Butler. Here was woes in our first hour on get up. It doesn't have any salary cap space to go. Chase max free agent. But he's going to try to find a way to get Jimmy Butler with the rockets, essentially what Houston needs to do. Bill Morrie is to convince Jimmy Butler to force or push aside, and trade with the Sixers to Houston. His leverage would be essentially Butler's. Hey, if you don't do a sign and trade get some assets back from Houston than I will sign into salary cap space elsewhere in the league, and you'll lose me for nothing. So that's the case that Morial make to Jimmy Butler is we kick off free agency on Sunday. Jalen wo- do went on to tell us that they would almost certainly have to give up cling cappella, and Eric Gordon to make that deal work. What is your reaction? I love this. This is why we're getting ready for June, thirtieth at six PM. And when you go, here's of free agency you got, Katie, you got Kawai. But right under that is clay kyri and Jimmy Butler. And if you the Philadelphia seventy Sixers, here's what you, do you offer him a five year deal a maximum contract, and nobody else can offer, and you give him a chance to sign if he decides he's not going to sign it. Then you got allow him to go to Houston, but take a thirty forty million dollar haircut in order to go to his hometown, now, we'll say this however, no state taxes in Texas versus you guys know high expensive. It is living on the east coast, but either way basketball. Wise after playing in Minnesota actually playing against the rockets in the playoffs. Joe Moore has always been trying to get Jimmy Butler. He allegedly offered four first round picks for him a couple of years ago. So if this is able to come to fruition, it'd be great for the Houston Rockets. Well, let me just follow quickly here put put all the money, the mechanics and everything else aside. James harden. Chris Paul Jimmy Butler on the same team. Do you like the fit? I really liked the fit because Chris Paul is still a productive player. They just didn't allow his usage to be I think it should be as somebody that can initiate offense in particular, mid range, James harden. I voted for this guy to be MVP. We know about the forty point fifty point sixty point games that he can throw up and Jimmy Butler comes the rock, though, balance, Agotic lockdown, perimeter also get his own shot. And those two guys can play quality minutes EP three and Butler without James harden on the floor. I talked so very much about how he behaves when he is initiating the offense, I think having a player like Jimmy, Butler, he'd be forced to be a teammate and no scenarios versus distorting, the spacing and look and just interested with somebody else had the ball, Jalen rose. I think it sounds perfect. I think this is where analytics and I test clash, right? Because on paper you're like oh, we're at Jimmy Butler to a team that, you know, he's like. A Trevor hyped up. Trevor REEs, right. Can shoot way better than Trevor REEs. I'm not saying that all I'm saying is the personality clashes though some of that really concerns me. And so we have to pay attention to, like, let's not forget about how Jimmy Butler got his way out of Minnesota. We talked the Tim's about that. And the young players that he had the mould and how that worked out now you're gonna have they don't play. I don't play defense. So now you're gonna take James harden and put him in the same scenario with Jimmy Butler. Don't you see that as a chance or these two guys that class when already doesn't feel like you're in the same pace to begin with? And then you're gonna give Clint Capella a guy that doesn't need the ball, actually, does all the dirty work for you will J first off, you get from under Clint Capello's contract, while he's shown to be a skill big that can block some shots. Catch some lots he hasn't been outstanding in last couple of playoffs. So that's one of the things that they're looking to do is really rid themselves of his contract for a guy that is a quality starting center, but not a game changing and you bring Jimmy bowler in to another. Other season veteran to via leader. You want it to be a little combustible because all of those guys want the same thing they've come up short in the playoffs. Each of them, Jimmy Butler was on Philly this year, heartbreak heartbreaking loss to the Toronto Raptors, and it's wide open next year, without the go stay words being healthy if I'm the rockets are definitely try to do something like this to roll the dice. All I'm saying is the one team that you lost two is no longer in basketball. Once we lost you to pass two years in the playoffs is no longer symbol with KDB out, potentially not return and Klay Thompson, being out for a major portion of the year. Like if you wanna roll the dice like that I understand it, but I'm still going to hold onto the fact I still think this team the way they're currently composed has a chance to win the west you and I disagree on that strongly, I think Houston's window has shut based upon what happened in this year's postseason. That's why I like the idea of trying to shake up the makes a little bit with something here. But at the end of the day, if you're Philly, I think you've gotta try and find a way to keep. Jimmy butler. That's the team that you'd want to run it back. They could win a championship agree with your next year in that Eastern Conference. Jalen stay with me for this one because there was other news coming out of the east yesterday that could be very significant raptors president of basketball operations messiah jury put interest any rumors if believing the team during his season ending media availability yesterday next up for Jerry trying to resign. Who I have had very good meetings with him the last light last few days and. Yes, he's told me and honestly, I'd rather keep that conversation between men Kawai for now and. For me. They've been they've been positive. And he challenges me the same way that I challenge him. And I think. The goal is the same and I appreciate that. So he's talking like a man is very confident that co islanders coming back, it should be pointed out that no player has won finals MVP in played for a different team the following season, the only one who didn't return to his team was Michael Jordan, who retired twice after all of that was with us talking about this an hour ago as well. What messiah Jerry is done, which is really remarkable is build a relationship with Kawhi Leonard. That's not easy to do in less than a year. It took the Spurs years to do that. But not this was a player who was not happy about being traded there who really at the very beginning of his arrival in Toronto. Just saw this as a one year way station on his way to somewhere else. And what Masai did what the raptors organization did was make a compelling case to him that they were a viable alternative long-term. They closed a gap that there was a tremendous Gulf from where they started to where they are now on the cusp of July free agency. Jalen, the Masai Jiri domino, was one. We were waiting to see fall, if he departed, I think a lot of people suggested that could be big trouble for Toronto trying to keep cool, why he's staying. What do you make of all of this? I believe koalas going to stay as well. Here's a couple of things I want to make sure that our cautioned, or give people to think about if he decides to leave he missed over twenty games due to low management yet in the Eastern Conference, his teammates were still able to hold it down and go like seventeen in four if he plays like that next year and MRs that many gays in the west. I don't think his squad going to be able to hold it down that much number one, number two, if he's decided to go back to Los Angeles. The Lakers just acquire Anthony Davis to go with LeBron James, the clippers are still playing in the Lakers building. It will be one thing if they already had their new setup but they don't so for him as an superstar player to be driving up to the arena, everyday licking statues of shack it magic, and looking at jerseys hanging from the rafters for clippers team that don't have a home just yet. Yet. I just don't see that as being the equal to stay in Toronto, where they low managed you, you were able to win a championship, you could get top dollar and a nation is going to treat you like a king. I believe he stays along with Massot gyros. I agree with you on this one. I think he does stay the next question of staying is do you secure the bag long term? Right. Like I know you would have secured the bag long-term arrows at this point your career. It's a lot of money that you're leaving on the table. And my thing is everybody goes. Oh, it's just a one and one and Katie did a Kevin Durant at one to one he left one hundred sixty million dollars left on the table. And then he had an injury on that last year. The new and I know this is the point contention for everybody. Well, my thing is, it's easy to sit up there and say, well, you're still going to be offered the max regardless after a one and one that's not necessarily a case depends upon the injury that you have Jalen five years for Kuwari in Toronto or the one in one. I think he does not do five years. I believe he does one and one in J. Here's a different way. I want you to think about an all your points are exactly right. But when you're LeBron, your K D in your Coa those are elite players and with low management the game, not being this physical not required to play four games in five nights. A lot of times these superstar players don't have to practice after they log heavy minutes. Their career span is a lot longer. So we can't look at thirty years old anymore. Like okay, this guy can't be around another two seven. The ten years look at somebody like Al Horford. He's in his mid thirties. Somebody's probably Dallas, for example, is going to offer him before your deal at about one hundred million dollars. So four Kawai four K D. There will be opportunities to make that money in basketball, and obviously in endorsements because they're able to secure it in that in that fashion as well. Quickly though. Jalen, can we? Confirm you would have secured thousand percent gyros take. Yeah. Two contracts signed a six year, and I signed a seven year and I was done. Mike. Okay. Very good. Let's get to the next piece of business. This is actually serious. I think this was under reported yesterday. Andrea dollar who's on a book tour was on the breakfast club yesterday. And he shared a story on playing through injury that I think, really sheds a light on what happened with Kevin Durant in these finals. I have to read you the quotes. Here's what he said when you're an athlete, and you're hurt. Everybody is looking at you sideways last year. It happened to me. I missed the last three games of the Houston series. It goes to game seven and we barely get out of that series. And now they're looking at me, like when are you coming back and I had a fractured leg and is being put out there like he's got a bone bruise. And I'm like, no it's fractured. Some fighting with the team. I'm fighting with people. I'm fighting with the media and my teammates asked me every day. How I'm feeling so with Kevin Durant. He's talking about. He's getting it from everywhere to Jalen Jay, and I talked about this a little bit earlier here. I think this is a very, very big deal. This is the same. Team saying a year ago he felt he was pressured into playing from a variety of different directions when he was more seriously hurt than was being reported. And now here we have the situation with Kevin Durant. What do you make of this? How about a couple of examples? Remember when Isaiah Thomas was starring in Boston. And they were a number one seat and he was averaging almost thirty points this year, he was on the different nuggets barely playing at all. That's how fast his star has changed. Look at a guy like K D. I said, on NBA countdown, that Friday that his workout did not go well on any level. And then all of a sudden he gets cleared to play if people think they want to assassinate my character, and my reporting, it did he goes out there, and he gets injured. A lot of this reminds me of Derek roles at different points of his career, but here's what we can ignore. The injury is one thing like Andrei ego, dollar. Said they were putting out there that he had a bone bruise yet you have a fractured leg. That's the problem. Katie scenario seemed to be a calf. But when he was walking out of practice Jae-in greedy. Yep. He is sold his achilles and I'm no doctor. But I'm like, wait a minute. This is a bigger thing. And no two scenarios are tied. So for him to be cleared a couple of days after he was not able to go in a workout. Let me to believe that if he was going to play it was because he was just trying to do it because his team was down three one and he was caving to what I call a hurt mentality that fans and media and now what we're here from Andre Iggy dollar eternally put some pressure on him to go out there and try to perform I wanna go back into the CBA and redefine the word tampering because that should be part of tampering. Right. In a way, if you're putting out misinformation about what a player is you're not. Saying if you're not reiterating what they're can't has said about him deputy coming back game five game six. Right. Which gives you leeway for game seven potentially not happening, then you're putting subliminal pressure on individual to try to come back when your own teammates or the locker room saying, we need, you, you ready to go you ready to go. And you're like my injuries worse off than what they're saying. It leaves it up to public consumption and public consumption will run you into the ground and we all know how certain players do with the important piece of this. I think for the fan sitting at home this morning is how does that impact Kevin's decision going forward is the trust with Golden State irreparably damaged. I, I don't know if it's irreparably damaged, but I will say that next day, Kevin Durant deciding to go back on his own plane up to New York City with his own team, and not have anybody on the medical staff of Golden State go with him. Then going their own way from Toronto, Golden State going only was very, very show me what it actually wasn't that give Gad Jalen quickly final thought here. How about a tale of two superstars and look at this fork in a row Kawara Leonard play nine games to San Antonio? I went, oh, I take January. I think twenty seven that year and said that he felt like he was misdiagnosed by the team and publicly people assassinated, his character and felt like San Antonio would not do such a thing because there are classy organization, and not that it was necessarily happening on purpose. But it did happen. He did not play ultimately led to him being traded. And he went on and won the championship versus the team that we're talking about Kevin Durant, having the same issue with this. I think that's an extremely important and good point in a good place to leave it for the moment. But this dollar these comments are him. I think are really significant. Jalen, stay with us again. He's in Detroit this morning. We'll have much more from Jalen, as we continue. But it is seventy one days until the start of the NFL season. And we will never let that bypassed. One of the more intriguing storylines heading into this year when will Dwayne Haskins play in Washington and a recent radio interview skins legend, Joe thighs men had this to say on the matter. Young man played thirteen th Balkans. What in that whole entire description makes any sense or convinced that he should play? But I think the young man is future, and let's protect the future instead of throwing it out there right now. And saying, okay, okay them, it's just a formula for disaster for the team for j for the fans. Everybody else. Fascinating stuff there. My football guys are back, Marcus spears and, and Bobby carpenter. And I would ask the question this way, what should Washington be considering as they make the decision on wind Wayne Haskins is ready to play? What should the most important factors? Be in this call. If he looks better than case keenum leading up to the season there, simple for me. This is football, the competition starts between case keenum into way. Haskins the first time evaluations of being made with both of these guys being in the same situation. That's football context, but I would like to add Joe is, what are we protecting the Wayne Haskins from playing football green? He will get a check every Tuesday, every Tuesday, they make a direct deposit for you to play football. And especially if you are the better option for your team now people say, well, he only started thirteen we didn't have this. We didn't have this conversation about, Mr. Bisky. He only started one year North Carolina, and he was when he went to Chicago. He got a play. And so when we were talking about the way has his leading up to this season is two things that we mentioned you. And I both with the way Haskins guy. I am his maturity level and Ohio State model lost five games without him being the starting quarterback. I don't know how Moore ready, you can get. It's football. I think he's going to be ready. I don't want them to come out and say he's going to be the day, one presumptive starter. I think he's going to look better than case keenum. But if you look at the beginning of their schedule Philly Chicago, Dallas giants. Okay. And then the patriots, give them a little bit of time. Let him sit behind keenum keenum, take the lumps. And if there are two and three coming out of that, and they're still in playoff contention. And you think that's the move to go. Go with them at that point. The problem becomes, is Jay Gruden back in June said, if I don't make the playoffs I'm not going to be here, anyway. So that might exceleron at the time line to where even if he looks a little bit better. Even if we think he's probably ready to go. Just give it a. Two weeks. Correct. And here's why. And that's why these organizations getting mired in these cycles of stinking because you have a coach there who knows. He needs to win games right now to save his job. So maybe he does do something that isn't in the long-term messages, and swag, who I will come back to you by saying that the goal for Dwayne. Haskins is not to be better than case keenum with all due respect, the case keenum, that's not where the bar is set you need to be doing whatever it takes to make him the best quarterback, he can possibly be three years from now because you don't draft a guy in the first round with the intention of winning games right now. He needs to be your quarterback for fifteen years. Well, we'll give you an analogy and it may suck because you super smart guy, but, but so I've always had this philosophy that when you go into college to be a doctor. And you know you wanna do that. Why don't we just start all being doctor instead of taking all these electives and then getting into medical school. I would think that the longer you study a thing, you'd be smart at it. If the way Haskins is better than case. Keenum leading up to the NFL football season put him in the dam. Game. I'll tell you this. If you make that guy, Dr right when he starts, you're not operating on me. I'll tell you that right now. All right. We'll take our first break of the we got a lot still to come here. Jalen is coming back, the Packers new coach damn small. Damn small wants to limit Aaron Rodgers ability to change plays. We will show you why this is a terrible idea. We're going to the video experts have Julian Edelman and the patriots with double digit wins this year. What else is new adamant in studio? Live is the our continued thanks for getting up with us on ESPN. We have a terrific half hour coming your way is be continue here on Jalen will rejoin us from Detroit. We're gonna talk about Aaron Rodgers and what exactly is the philosophy that seems to make him so unhappy in Green Bay Jade wills gonna run down the top five backwards in the NBA and don't miss Super Bowl MVP, Julian Edelman live in studio all that. And more as we roll on its get up on ESPN. One player could bring your team. Title one player can lead to a French is, is frustration for the very lightest Ankeny kyri Kimba and clay. We've got those bums. We've got Jalen. We've got Steven A and the best NBA analysis in the business free agency week starting eight eastern on ESPN two with special editions of get up in the afternoon starting four thirty eastern on ESPN and the ESPN app. The basketball is going to be hot and heavy next week. But it's busy already this morning with Jay will hear and Jalen there. And we're ready to run the floor. Jalen here we go. We start with former Nick, Kristaps Porzingis rumblings. He's going to get a max offer five years, one hundred fifty eight million from the Mavericks. Jalen, are you willing to max out? Forcing is right now. Absolutely dallas. Mass just goes into your thinking, Greenies when you acquired him from the New York, Knicks, we wanna pair him with Luca Danni. I'm pretty sure there are some people in the mass franchise. He reminds them a lot of dirt Bisky. He's going to be at twenty point score. He's going to get a couple of blocks for game. I think is a really talented young player. I'm excited to see him and Luca play together. Let's see if they ask a couple of more pieces, thinking about Al Horford. I'd be very concerned about injury, though is the one thing with four Zina's. Meanwhile also in the free agent bonanza according to whoa, JR. Nets breakout guards. The ngelo Russell is at the top of the wishlist for the Lakers. Jalen, we all know the history there in LA. What's your reaction to a potential return? I'm happy for the Angelo Russell's. Researchers I felt like getting out of Los Angeles was going to be the best being or him and it was while he thrived with the NIST this year. But if you notice all of the highlight Stitcher showing, he got the ball in his hand and the stripped of his game is scoring any the terrific passer. He has a great deal for the game, not necessarily an explosive athlete, not necessarily a defender, don't like that really put a link. And then when we get to this, this is not free agent news, I was struck by this. When I saw these comments from Orlando Magic general manager John Hammond about Marquel Foltz at his progress, this summer, the comments do not make it sound like Fulton anywhere near being ready to play bear in mind. He was the number one overall pick in the draft. And Hammond said, quote, he's working extremely hard. He's in good shape is wait as good as overall body fat percentage is very good. So if you look at them, you think, wow, he looked great also. When those comments he said he's not gonna play. Summer league. And he doesn't appear to be anywhere near being ready to play. So Jay, we'll let me start with you. What is going on with Markelle Fultz guy who year and a half ago they traded up to making the number one pick in the draft. I don't think anybody knows he's only played thirty three games. He's his feet on the floor. Thirty three times and for the GM John come out and say, hey, he has no body fat. Like that's the first thing I saw I was like, we're, we're talking about his body fat when is he going to play? I've never heard of that injury before I, I hope we can come back. I want the best for Cal because I think he's a great individual. I just don't know much planning if you're GM for your franchise, you can put into that asset. Long-term. Jalen, what what's going on? This is the most bizarre thing we've ever seen from a number one overall pick in a draft now for the Orlando Magic. They got a chance to buy low for the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. You traded a pick in the opportunity to draft. Jason Tatum for Markelle Foltz. You better resigned, Jimmy Butler, you better resigned to bias Harris or their assets are going to continue to be depleted. I'm just really hoping for the best for him as a young man, because the peace in shape, any looks like he's department, but yet he can't get out on the floor. We know the game is more than just physical mental motions psychological seems like they're alive issues that have to get ironed out before he's able to play basketball, Jerry, was, I want to ask you, some because you you've been known to put down a couple of dunks in your time as well, all the dunks that we're seeing him do back in the day, like, you know, the reverse clutch in coming from here, wouldn't that affect your shoulder to some degree, if that's the thing. So you're shooting, mostly, you can do all that. But then it gets here that has to be right here, though. Right. Jay that has to be cycle Aluli, it has to be psychological, and look. No further. Dan? When he was double pumping at the free throw line that let me know that something was going on psychologically, and Ben Simmons in a different way is affected by the same thing. Greenie J Ben Simmons is a perennial all-star doesn't attempt shots outside the paint, on to say, does it make shots say, does it attempt shots outside of the pain. So he Marquel falls. Have that in common before market falls. Again. Got it went number one overall draft. I'm just rooting for him as a young man. I'm not even necessarily focused on him as a basketball player anymore. Now on the two thousand seventeen drive you have the number one and number two pick both traded from their teams other teams it's incredible. How quickly all that stuff turned jail. And outstanding thank you so very much my man, we will see you. They rose tomorrow morning. Meanwhile, we will turn our attention to some football. There's been a lot of discussion in recent weeks about how much freedom Aaron Rodgers will and will not have to audible out of plays. In Matla floors, new offense in Green Bay on yesterday's show, the topic came up again after Brett Farr basically said let Aaron Rodgers play his game. And we had a fairly lengthy discussion and debate about this on the show yesterday. So we gave Bobby carpenter a little homework, and we said, basically, I'm sure a lot of fans are sitting home thinking, but what exactly does this look like Erin going to the line of scrimmage and making whatever decisions he's making? So that's your job show us what it looks like. Well so first of all in the two minutes situation. Greenie that's when quarterbacks are going to be able to start calling their own plays. We're gonna look at the lions here. It's under two minutes in the game. It's a third down every Rogers sees the linebackers and safeties roaming around. He understands they're beginning to creep up to the line of scrimmage so he called a play at the line. He understands that they're probably not going to be in the same defense. So he's taken from soup-to-nuts. He's going to just the play he's going to adjust the coverage she's going to kick the back over to help pick up the pressure. Now looking at this he knows now in the middle of the field. It's a two minute situation. It's third into he has made demand across the deck. A lot of guys who say, hey, let's just. I wanna slit and pick up the first down now. Whether Aaron serve we're going downtown or we're going to start running this thing up. And now he does what he does best drop it in there to Jordy Nelson couldn't ask for a better situation and under two minutes. Now that fascinated me because you just showed me the wide open middle of the field. And that isn't where he went at all. No, it wasn't. He decided to go outside to what he thought was a better a better throw. He had an opportunity in the slot there, then like that he was going to go to his guy Jordy Nelson whereas worn on one and he picked the best match up moving forward. Now I'm gonna show you another one here. Yeah. This what the Dallas Cowboys? Yeah. Mortgage team to safeties cover to. That's what they run. He's going to see the tight end flexed here. I need to find a way to occupy that safety on the backside with the route combination. So he picks this route safety locked in to help help the corner. Air Rogers staring him down to keep the safety there. Boom on the bath side last play the game Packers win. That's what he can do in. Quick situations for you. The first thing I thought of when I saw that Marcus for those of you metro how well you could see it. There was sixteen seconds left and they were down by three in the fourth quarter. So field goal ties the game there. So we have to be careful about that. That's one of the things I would wonder a coach. Is it gonna let him make a risky decision like that? He throws that ball in it's picked and it's a terrible moment there. What do you make of that? So, so here's the point. We've been talking about g you can't take that away from him. Right. Once benefit is something you cannot take that away from the first play Detroit is terrible for giving up their disguised in early bringing that safety down. You hold it as late as possible. But here's the thing, we air Rodgers when it comes to play football, you can have everything. Right. And he can steal beat you because the thing that, didn't they didn't show that, that Bobby didn't show in these tapes, you, if you go zero coverage was that was man to man and one of your Blitzer miss. He's fast enough to run a touchdown as well. Yeah. That's what makes air Raja's dangerous. We have never in the history of this. Lead scene of do as dynamic with this arm as he is with his legs, and he's so smart. Once he breaks the pocket, and here's another piece of we're talking with we're talking before the show here Tom Brady you feel like he gets the ball in two minute. Margaret saw is over. So we don't have a chance Aaron. Rodgers gets the ball. It's two minutes. It's over not just because they're accurate because they're going to put you in the right play each and every time the coach can't do that for you on the field. So you don't wanna take that away from this man. You want to give him the opportunity help him with it. But don't try to restrict them because that's going to have a bad relationship with your guy. Absolutely. But it's gotta be a worker relationship. You cannot come out and say, I listened into that, dude. I'm gonna do my thing. Conversation is taking place, as widely, as it is, I think some cause for concern, I'd love to keep talking about this. But right now, I insist we talk gone, and I am sisters lachey by rocket mortgage. And let's talk about a little for your and you know what's coming up guys, and I love the celebrity events. The American century championship. And then more kill jumble, swagger. That's Charles, he is the longest shot on the board would seventy five hundred to one that Charles Barkley wants this joke. Oh, you're willing to throw few bucks on that note. Maybe not, you know who the favorite is. Tony Romo should be eighty dollars. The favorite, the new can golf is significantly better. All right. I will talk about God, no matter what the circumstances are. Don't miss Senate coming up six eastern after PTI Hannah storm, kief Elvin Stephen, as take on Kawais free agency decision. What's next for tyreek hill, after he meets with NFL investigators and Yankees Red Sox dodgers highlight sports at the GI on? ESPN ESPN. And we are back on get up and delighted to have you with us this morning. The big swag was come over here to help Jay wheel at with this morning's fundamental list. Or we could go the grizzlies traded Mike Conley to the jazz, and a lot of people I was struck by how incredibly enthusiastic, people were about the pairing of Conley. Donovan Mitchell in Utah, and talking about how they are now one of the best backwards in the NBA. So I gave you a task this morning. Great, give me the top five backwards in the NBA as of right now, number five. Let's start with number five, we will start off with Mike Conley. And we will start with Donovan Mitchell Mike Conley. I was twenty one points last year per game, six assists for his career grant shipment of ball. Donovan Mitchell, slight little drop-off in its points per game series while you. But ultimately, I think he's going to bounce back in his third year. One of the most lethal backwards in the league he needed Mike because he had a little dry run in the playoffs. Take some. Oh my God. Okay. Great. So I just seeing seeing a little work thereby might commonly look at those trends and welcome back to the game Canley now about going to big sage. That's number four. Greenie number four. This one may drive people crazy. But I'm gonna tell you why wo- Paul Paul George. I say, Paul west come by to Paul George Russell Westbrook. Now Russell Westbrook's average a triple double entire season. Paul George finish number three in 'em. BB MVP voting. He also led the league instills per game. But I back their team play into this whole thing as well. And for all that talent, their team didn't live up to expectations not even beginning to the Western Conference finals. So that if you just again, separate the names. Yes, I think a lot of people would have expected, this PF pair to be a lot higher than great team play has to do a lot of stuff with it. All right. See number three. Now we're gonna go to once again, James harden, and C P three James harden. Now, James harden average thirty six points per game. Okay. Incredibly. I thought he should've been MVP so got love for Yanni. Congratulations. But see Pete three had his worst year statistically in his career shooting percentage he shot forty two percent from the field, onto pointers. He shot forty eight that's the lowest, he's had in this entire career in the NBA. I think he's still needs to have another big time year next year for them to be catapulted into the top two. Plus they lost back to back years. They should have won that last series of Golden State with Katie, and a lot of, and I can think of one pair that you probably have a head of them. I'm not I'm not sure who you have cooked up for us at number two. All right. Let's go number two Daimler j McCall put some respect. I mean, let's say this team last year. I stat him. They'll give me a great set. They average forty seven percent of their team's scoring in the playoffs forty-seven percent. They knocked down game winners CJ took his game to a different level last year. They got knocked out of the first round by the pelicans this year, regardless of their path or not. We're gonna take this franchise to the Western Conference finals. We had to put some respect though, her name, okay? That's a go ahead is McCullough. One of the best players also moving without the ball. And he's like a rip Hamilton two million euro but can shoot the ball from deeper as well. All right. Then number one, obviously, we go with Steph and clay. I mean it's definitely clay. It's, it's not for the injury to Klay Thompson. Seven games would actually given this team a chance to win the whole thing without Kevin Durant with Steph and clay that goes to show you how powerfully this has to be set out loud. Everyone always a first splash brothers as being the greatest shooting back court of all time. That's not even debate. Thereby does at some point, we have to start talking about whether they are actually the greatest NBA backward of all time, in terms of accomplishment, and individual talent, they've got to be creeping into that conversation. So I have no argument there. So what do you think of inputting, Lillard McCollum, and again, Lillard beat Oklahoma City almost by himself and McCollum be Denver almost all by himself? But having them ahead of this pair. And this is Adam hemisphere. Cheaply three did not have a great with now. Now, let me because I like number two being in front of Paul and horn. This, Chris Paul fit in this isos situation. Right. He's a distributor, he's, he's used to having the ball and distribute. He came from LA, and it was live city. Right. That's what he does when I look at Chris Paul when he's in the game without James harden, he's better when James harden is in the game. They struggle to work together with that sort Jimmy Butler could serve as that person doesn't need the ball. I mean, that's what makes Paul George so good. He can score, Wayne does what Russell knees have the ball has dominate the ball. All right. Read them and week. This is Jay wills list. It's Colleen Mitchell, advive, Georgia, and Westbrook at four Paul and harden at three Lillard McCollum at two and Thomson and curry at number one. It's a good list, well done now I want to get back to this. We saved some time to get back to this conversation because I thought it was really interesting and important yesterday, the national athletic, trainers association released results from a survey. It conducted that revealed serious concerns about the amount of influence that college coaches have. In medical decision making involving student athletes, and here is some of the numbers and this is disturbing nineteen percent of college athletic trainers reported that a coach played in athlete who had been deemed medically out of participation. Thirty six percents say that a coach has been able to influence the hiring or firing of members of the sports medicine staff, and of that thirty six percent fifty eight percent reported being pressured by coach or administrator to make decision quote, not in the best interest of a student athletes health that's extraordinarily important. Bear in mind again, that is more than half of them saying that they had been pressured by coach or someone at the university to make a decision that was not in the best interest of a student, athletes, health, and I turn right to the football guys. When we talk about this Bobby carpenter did this apprise you know, it doesn't surprise me at all because coaches their success, their monetary reward their salaries. It's all tied to winning they need the best players out there to be able to win. And so they're going to naturally lean on guys they're gonna lean on the trainers. And so I look at that saying, hey, you need a strong enough trainer who's been there who reports to the AD outside the coach coaches get hired and fired you want your your trainer to be there for thirty forty years, so that he has the juice, he can sit there and say, hey, no. This guy's point even if he wants to play because as you guys know half of the time you've got to protect players from themselves, especially when they're eighteen nineteen twenty years old. You're looking at today. You feel like superman when you're young when you're thirty it's a little bit different, especially in the climate of football. Gee, let me take you back to bring this up. But this is this is something that when we saw the player at Maryland pass away. Yes. In some workouts, it was somebody's responsibility to notice that he was struggling, right? But there's been Bisa idea, especially in football that you gotta be tough man. You gotta have a tough man syndrome. And now you have leading trainers that wanna be just it's tough as the. The guys in the weight room. And as the head coaches, and this problem and let me, let me also say this, and this is strong, but it's the truth, it should be a crime to put a kid out on the field or he's not ready to go. It should be a crime, like we period, if a coach if a head coach and I don't care what it is has athletic trainer telling them that a can't is not ready to go back and participate, and he forces, his wife and his pool that should be a crime. If it's found out and absolute minimum. It should be fireable fan. Idi Italy, I completely agree with you. I would throw into this as well. Obviously, I was never a football player, but even I'm aware of the expression, you can't make the club in the tub. And so it's not about talking about the star players. Even if you go to the next level in the NFL, who know their jobs are secure their places are secure. But when you're talking about guys who were just trying to hang on guys who are trying to make it to the league. They are inclined sometimes to do things that are not in their own best question. And Ed that care that dangles in front of you about going pro will make you make irrational decisions, especially a lot of kids in college that need to change their family situation and say, this is psychological warfare to same reason. We're having a conversation about the warriors and guys trying to rush back because the public perception, if those guys are impressionable. We don't think seventeen eighteen nineteen year olds are impressionable when your host housing room, all you tweaked, your ankle, it could be like a great three three and you don't know what is put somebody saying that to you that could put pressure on you to come back and you don't know what's right or wrong from coach can sway, what NFL play in. NFL coaches decision is about you getting drafted or NBA coaches decision is about you? And sometimes they'll throw it out there and the team meeting room. So it's out there for everybody you when you're gonna get healed up. You know, we have such and such back, it would be nice and everybody makes it sound like is this guy, not in it with us? Like he see looking out for himself. And one of the things I always try to strangers. We'll have kids at this room looking dead. In the I if I was your son. What would you tell me to do? You wait to see how long they hesitate before they answer. You put on out not heal the I'm going to jail straight up 'cause it's listen there, there is there is minutia that transpires, especially in college where you have players that literally looked at east coaches in these decision makers by their gateway s to, to taking care of themselves for the rest of their lives is their responsibility to take care of, if you saw that data yesterday or hearing this conversation and you're wondering, what should my reaction be? You should be outraged. This is outrageous. It would be completely one hundred percent legitimate to be outraged by it, right? We'll take. Short break coming up. Don't forget that tomorrow morning. And every morning, we're here's betting eight o'clock eastern time tomorrow morning where we'll K D go we present the pros and cons, which will a possible K D landing spots will also show, you the top five NBA free agents. I rankings might surprise you and Julian Edelman. We'll be here tomorrow. More as he joins us get on ESPN. 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"We couldn't control those guys. The problem is they came ready to fight and they got in a fight they just started a fight with some people after it was like a House party so me and my brother leave. Come to find out the next day. Two of my friends got arrested guy in trouble and but then nobody tried me up again after you start questionable on Dominique Foxworth. Then let's get started. Th that is Lebron starting to give it to you that he deserves the MVP. I know that. Espn has been an infomercial for Lebron for a decade but his greatness can not be overstated. Now understand what he's doing as these young people. I know Bomani you'll love it when it happened to the young people. He's doing the Jordan stuff of not yet young Fella. He didn't look he's done it to trae young. He's done it to William to wear in those games. He's averaging thirty ten and ten and again. This is a guy who's thirty five years old whose body has so much mileage on it and he's still doing that stuff at the. Rim Against Zion. Reminding him. Hey I've got a big body too and I'm unusual specimen as well. It's amazing to watch but no is the answer. This question John. This has been overwhelming team has been overwhelming. He's the MVP at the same time. What the Lakers are without. Lebron is a negative one point two points per one hundred possessions with him. It's over twelve. His impact on that team can't be overstated and last night it was kind of nuts man. Anthony Davis is not playing in that game by the way another. Pelicans Lakers game. Where Anthony Davis secondary figure because we now have Zayed and we now have Lebron so I could see why somebody says he is the MVP but this is the same day Janas put up forty twenty five and five man. The dudes got his team's going to win seventy games but it almost doesn't matter at this Lebron James the MVP. Because you know what he is. He's Lebron James. And after we gave it to Steph curry those co two years and the warriors one seventy three games and then Lebron did championship it. Oh matter what. Mvp's you give him anymore. Because he's got the Lebron James Card. Well I think it also matters that has won it last year. This is Kinda you gotta take it from situation. I think if he comes back and has as impressive frankly a more impressive season this year. Yana said he is than he did last year. Hard to give it to somebody else. And I think you're right both on off numbers for Lebron on the Lakers is the way that you make the argument. Statistically or you also say that maybe he means more to the offense because he can close games. Andy can distribute that way. But I think honestly your recent there to give it to Lebron as much as he deserves it every season because he is the most valuable person literally to the League. He's the reason why the League's revenues probably go up more than anybody else. He's not more valuable to his team. Then says to his right now. But here's the tricky thing man was the last tile abroad won the MVP. We're looking at what twenty thirteen the last time that he wanted. He's so much better now. It feels like they need was in twenty thirteen realistically considered him an MVP candidate in the last seven years. Somehow he gets better. What's happened is the numbers for everybody else have gotten so much better. All of that is now so supercharge that when you put up statistical case the other guys have had one over Lebron. You've had those years with the broadest kind of melted in. But he's still that dude. Is he the best player in the League doesn't matter because he's Lebron James and here's the other thing we've seen because this season has had some moments where Lebron James hasn't looked athletic at the rim? You guys just saw yesterday all that mileage. That step back off. One foot is what he's going to be doing into his forties. Because that's how that game is going to age. He's going to be able to step back on one foot and always make something from twenty five feet look man's Iowa's in brought down the house with a donkey. Lebron came down the floor and shot. What looked like a forty footer? This principle. This is Kaiser Bananas lex autumn. You you yeah Oh right Oh bothered or put a hand up. Because why would you are the rockets starting to give you that micro ball-work they've been good? They've been better than they were. But I do not want to answer this part of the question because I don't think they're good enough. I will say they are simply more inventive than any team in the sport because they knew the parts the way. They were assembled before working so what they did a team. That's already changed the math by realizing take more three pointers. It's the way to play their going small with Russell Westbrook at the center and Bomani if Russell WESTBROOK IS GONNA be efficient if their system is going to work to make that play or more efficient than he's ever been he'd still be at Oklahoma City with Kevin Durant if he'd been that kind of efficient while next to him. It's a fascinating evolution of their basketball team. I thought we status that we were calling this little ball. We're not calling in micro ball in Monte decided. It was called little ball so yes the little ball is working because it's a better option than what they were doing. The creating more threes. I think it's forty nine per game and Russell Westbrook is scoring into paint better than evens. I on so I think it is the best thing they can possibly do. But the point is the more threes increase the volatility so they could go cold also. I think the optimistic view is that James Harden is getting a chance to rest now and in the playoffs. He'll be able to kind of kick it up a notch and the way that he hasn't in the past but actually think the playoffs not because the pace slows down because teams focused on you more. I think it makes it more difficult. There's something to be said for the fact that no one plays this small and then you have to up in kind of figure out how to play against this in the regular season. It's going to be different when someone buckles down and plays against the team to beat in the West are teams that I think are pretty good with perimeter defense the to L. A. Teams have big guys who? I don't think you can play off. The floor is not even just about buckling down against him as much as you're going to get to play them game after game after game. I don't know how it works out when you drop in and play him once at the time of year but you don't get to practice that much that's what it'll be different about a playoff series but the other thing is as much as I think you can make the argument that it's inventive for them to go to play and all these little dudes around here. Do you watch them play. Because nobody's invention. What I see is five. Do Standard Arou- wait for somebody to give him the ball movement. I don't see no cutting I don't see no plays it is super duper isolation ball and it is very difficult for me to believe that you're going to be able to go all the way to the NBA finals playing ball. Like that with all those guys being that small because they're gonNA wear down when those little dudes actually have to guard bigger ones. This is what I do. Believe though is inventive. They've got Russell. Westbrook basically playing the center bow. And he's a fifty percent more maker now whereas he's one of the worst three point shooters by volume in the history of the League. So they've taken if I told you before the season Westbrook is a sensor. I don't know that we could have imagined it. Oh no I thought coming into this year. The Russell Westbrook was done. What amazes me? Keep it in mind. This is due. Who's free-throw percentage was dropping by double digits year over year right like it looked like his legs done. We're still at a place where nobody can. Stop me from getting to the basket. And now they're doing something that makes it to where there's nobody parked in the lane. But I feel like in the playoffs. Pj Tucker is going to get a lot more chances to take all the open threes he wants and if he makes them the rest of the League's in trouble. If not it's GONNA be somebody. Wait no rush into paint. There are some circumstances though of our own little ball where you're still sort of wishing for me to be there when things like this happen at the end of your game and Jason Tatum just missing. And you're so small. This happens to tie the game because everyone you could put some of big guys in that situation couldn't you wow? I didn't realize until right now that I must've fallen asleep before the end of this game. Wow that's great. I feel like I watch this game so I had no idea that happened Jeff Koreans still in the league. Y'All how people still hoping for thirteen years still cross good for him should. Nfl players. Be Salty that Tony. Romo is making seventeen million dollars per year then negotiate this. Cba Dominique Foxworth where these players are right. When Michael Thomas is looking at this and say how the heck is a guy who by the way is working seventeen eighteen nineteen weeks a year making more than I make with my body out here. I think the one who solves these might be Jim Nance but after that I understand if players are looking at this and saying. This isn't any kind of reasonable when you consider this. I know the bodies in the NFL are pretty disposable. But if I told you right now there's a game tomorrow. It's a football game. You want to watch Tony. Romo's not moving those ratings. He's not someone who had seventeen million dollars a year's actually going to bring that volume of audience. This was just the prestige move between. Espn CBS trying to hire the it guy so Tony Romo as a player at that high paid position average nine million dollars a year. And I'm looking at this dominique and the deal you guys made with the salary cap. We're NFL owners. Do not need help on fixed. Cost this deal right here. Is Tony Romo showing you? What happens when the market is actually? Open your word twice as much as the players. I mean Tony. Romo exists in an extra free market where there is not a union improvise antitrust protection for the essentially which is cartel. We did the same thing. Which I've advocated for decertify the Union and opened the league up to antitrust law. We'll have the same situation no draft through free agency. We can get all this bread also floor on the salaries either so might get undercut for some guys who just want to get into the League and put on the helmet. Yeah no I got exactly where Thomas is coming from though because what we're saying he's Yoder's clearly bread out here to juggle. Be Giving people you try to limit how much you can give us in. Somebody's willing to give somebody all this bread to talk about us. I understand where he's coming from even if he's just a little bit misguided day just kind of touched on it though man and I really had thought about it. If you are Jim Nance you have got to be asking for the biggest raise in the world. I am the face of this. Gymnast says the face of that all their broadcasts. Because gymnast sound like Money Gymnast. Blazer wish that I on it and you tell man money is in the House gymnast. At the master's money has shown up. Now money walks into Rome and big bank. Is this cat who just got here. I've been doing this for thirty something years. And now dude. Who's out of your own? Footballs Making Brad to me. Either Jim going to get a raise. Tis Help in that booth and the reason why people say they like Tony. Romo is exactly because he don't sound like money he sounds like a guy. You're watching a gay with. That's interesting dynamic for Gymnast. After swallow but of course. I'm with the players who I think deserve more money but when we were negotiating that deal. I was ready to lock out. I was ready to Miss Checks. Would you gotTa do to get that money that aside rather than hey on it except the game as it? Is they play it right? Some of Y'all need to quit plan football right now go straight to the booth. I'm looking at you Baker Mayfield. You gotTA stop. I understand you can make more in a booth. You Hop on right now. I'm looking at you. Richard Sherman very smart. They seem really liked football. Get getting a boost. Make that seventeen. I feel like they're plenty of guys is as much as twenty years. There are plenty of guys who I think would be as intelligent about the game as him in far more entertaining. Y'All need to get out the league and get this bread and let me get a little bit too coming up next on my cell. Stevie show for sixteen years. Wow you go. You're not doing that to me now. You're not doing that to me every day. With the best part of this year he decided for the game. It is do think he's going to try that with me. Watch what happened? That ain't just some natural reaction that things. Dan could beat Tony Rally in a forty yard dash. Do you question really. I see positive one for me. You think I can beat reality. You guys give us topics and events. We questioned him more negative on him. The positive on you. Do you question if this makes you more or less confident that Tom Brady will be a patriot? Next season. All right this was funny Syracuse. Basketball game is Jimmy Fallon Dataman. It's Tom Brady. And it sounds like element is saying. He's coming back and it sounds like Tom Brady is saying he's not but we're going to dig a little deeper here. See what we find. Listen up coming back coming back Grayson to tell you got it is not. It's he's got it. What are you guys? Make this? That happened a little bit later. Where able of all the coaches to facetime facetime ing coaches? Who might want him? Look at this. We are yours today. Just creep around and Tom. Brady's privacy for that extra whack for that okay. He faced with my variable. What do I make all of this people away? Julie Adamant You WACK. Why trying to make life hard on your homeboys hard enough to just go enjoy basketball game as it is now. You gotta be out here trying to create drama the snoop in the back sitting all that stuff out of there. I have never been more team. Tom Brady evident right now. He looked at Julia. Swear little man ill after all I've done for you probably should have said to but I agree with you and I. I've come to believe or not be able to believe anything that Tom Brady does around. This feels like everything's a bit of a publicity stunt and the fact that Jimmy Fallon's they're also like is this just filming something to prepare for some sort of late night show like I don't believe any of that. The only thing that seemed genuine was them catching Mike Gabel but he knows there are people behind him. He knows how face Tom's works like I'm not sure that this is not just another ploy by Tom. Brady to keep himself in the news to set up for his eventual career transition into being like a social media influence or whatever. He's angling for by the way. Has Anybody answered the question? Why in the world where they FAA right? Like how long ago did you buy these tickets in users so dead set on going to watch too bad basketball teams in a place that when you bought the tickets you probably had to guess was really really cold? That's not the only question. Why are you face time like I only know one other grown man love face to face? I based my kids. My wife came on facetime down on facetime. Alexi People's phase one and. Yeah but you'd like to do it without warning ain't no telling what this faces up to or not. That's why I don't do it to you. I know you ain't never gonNA facetime for me to talk a little bit beyond our intimacy threshold. Do you question Trae Young? Had this coming. It's not a trick question guys. Trevor Rees are. Where's he playing where you got him? Do you got him at the right team. Do you know where Trevor Rees is this year? It's their red. He's he's still Washington no he's not he's not a Houston either he. He's still he's important. He's only publish watching a game the other day. I'm like. Oh there's Trevor Rees I didn't know that now. There's a history though before we get to Trevor Rees of trae young nutmeg people. Let's play that montage of him. Doing this. Does it. To Ricky Rubio. There makes that look very moving. This is JJ radic. He's going to do to their makes it look so easy. So let's see what happens to Trevor Aretha here the Portland Trailblazers sixteen year since. You're not doing that to me now. You're not doing that to me day. With the best part of this year he decided before the game. It is do think he's going to try that with me. Watch what happens. That ain't just some natural reaction that is. I decided I was going to happen. I mean I don't have a problem with idiot honestly like I tend to think that you should retaliate in situations like that. Just closer your legs or played better deep. It's but also big like he took the foul. He wanted us in the mess. That's fine. Nobody got hurt and they didn't rather fisticuffs and is incumbent upon TRAE YOUNG. This point you got to do it again like you must. It goes back to the whole situation. You can't took the team back in. You got to go back and try to mega again you have to or else. You've lost trae young at the end right there as he tries to act like you. I'll bigger than it is. He was sugar. Hail look at his face established. Right right right. I look at look at look questionable. These broadcasts from the Clear Lander Hotel Beautiful South Beach. Miami downplayed game. They can't wait to start paying attention to college basketball next week. See or know. Tell us what's on television. We'll tell you if we're intrigued or not in progress. Spring Training Baseball Angels and cavs. I'm not sure how much these two gentlemen here are interested in watching a Mike. Trout hit a baseball. But can I interest you and Mike Trout hitting a golf ball? Are you curious what that would look like? Because Joe Madden is saying this is one hundred fifty feet high. The fence that this is climbing over the netting. I should have said instead of the fence. So that's two hundred twenty yards. How about you Bomani? Are you intrigued in this? Not especially but I wanNA believe in miracles every now and air rights. Okay yeah you hit it over the five hundred foot fence? Whatever it was man offensive thousand feet off the ground might try to hit the ball over. This'll be part of his legend. The legend that includes one. Maybe the ten baseball players ever and none of us have gone out of our way to watch him play a single game it's sad dominate About you or you intrigue. I'm intrigued to see him. Try Different things like that because it's really impressive. Any of us who've ever tried to swim golf club to be able to sweetheart. Inaccurate accurately is impossible. If people would train their whole lives to be able to do that. It doesn't I don't imagine he has guest skills in baseball are transferable impressive just to see him swinging at thing real hard hit it real heart simple dude just for context. I do think we can find a lot of baseball players. Who could do things like this? Look at Cody bellinger. You guys tell me if cody bellinger's doing it any differently than any power hitter in that game would do it. She saw that hit the hotel. I tell you this though. Anybody has tried to play. Some golf will tell you like baseball train. It'll mess up your golf swing and this is actually more than people realize it is. They ain't the same thing tomorrow afternoon. Mets Marlins did you guys know that. Tim T. Bo is playing in the World Baseball Classic for the Philippines. He's yes I know. A friend told him all right so he was hitting one sixty three AAA but He's still in Triple A. And let's check in here recently with Tim. Tebow trying to make the last out of the game tour. Oh Oh no oh God. That's all stinks. Oh you gotta catch that Somehow Bomani. Are you intrigue? No I? I just want to remind you. Oughta DO graduated from high school fourteen years ago. And he's still here chasing dreams and I don't blame them because people are willing to spend money to allow him to do so. How about you down? I'm also ninth street. But we should accept that he's not out there because he's a good baseball player's GonNa Athletes Bodies Point. I'm not mad. I'm you use what you got. Whatever cachet you've built up you sell it to lane body no more. Because I don't know what other talents he is. He checked into his own hotels on the road. Because I can't imagine Oughta have money. He got he's trying to sleep with. Cheese has got to sleep all when they go travel. We're done we have no more time here. But if you want some more dominic foxworth check them out at the undefeated and Bomani Jones. It's a really good podcast. The right time with Bomani Jones downloaded Dan. I got three letters. Tim tebow acts. 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Hour 1: The Rockets

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Hour 1: The Rockets

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Stephen A grown all world scoring. All y'all. How y'all doing? How y'all doing like sunshine in the morning, he scowling like Sonny list? All right. There's a smile will. You want me to do you want me? Look like Joyce limit. There's. Smile. Like, the Cheshire cat is only present over they sil- eyebrows. Brows go down. All right enough. Can we talk about some basketball? I don't know. What's happening? All right. The warriors beat the rockets for the first time this season. I want to keep this in mind. Houston was that home finals MVP? Kevin durant? Didn't play in. James harden? Max struggled from three in the loss. He was to of twelve harder than Tony talked me. Sorry, we lost. We know. We we did a good thing about it is plaguing Friday. So. It doesn't swim moss. You know, sometimes you don't learn a lot when you win you. You know, we try to teach them when you wear the easiest way to do it if they will be receptive to it. But. This didn't get their attention more in big trouble. I mean, there's no doubt. It'll it'll get their tension. And we've got to figure some things out and just better job. Ax. Not good for your rockets, are you encouraged or discouraged by last night's loss. I'm actually encouraged for the rockets by the law. That's right loss at home to the warriors team. You're chasing could've been two and a half. Back you go four and a half back a loss at home to the defending champions that you took to a game seven at your house last year. But still lost a loss at home to the warriors without K D. And I am encouraged for the rockets this morning, Stephen a Smith because boogie cousins ain't gonna give you twenty seven every night. And by the way, PJ Tucker ain't gonna miss just about every shot. He takes every night. But the main thing is what did I say heading into the game. And what did I say is the whole story for the rockets in these playoffs? Can James harden not play. Well, not just play defense which he's been doing including in the playoffs last year. Not just helped his teammates and hip free. Throws. Were hoped for Kohl's can James corden sink shots. Elliot went to for twelve from the break. And so he did did he and so they lost. But they lost by one possession on a night book because Ted twenty seven points by one possession on a night. James harden missed ten of twelve threes. And what that tells me Stephen is there in the exact same position they were last year which was good enough to get to a game seven against the warriors where the sky had to cave in the roof advocate in the sky had to fall for the rockets in order for them to lose by single digits without C P three. So once again the way I am thinking about this is proving to be correct. If James harden Kenny hitch shots in the playoffs. The rockets have a fighting chance to beat the warriors. They showed it again last night one possession game. Well, you know, what max if I had two good knees in an afro, I could be in the NBA right now. A me as Steph curry, by the way, I could also be twenty years younger. There's a lot. It's a lot of instinct go along with those statements. It doesn't matter. I'm discouraged by what I saw from the Houston Rockets. But I'm also very very very very not surprised what happened is what I told. You was going to happen prior to last night's game. The warriors showed up without K D on the road and handed their business because they have two of the greatest shooters on the planet and DeMarcus cousins, Baldas, Buttle, plain and simple. He showed up last drop twenty-seven. He had seven assists. They had twenty eight assists to Houston's eighteen. Yes. Houston was making turnovers. Yes, they were missing shots. No question about that. They weren't taking care of basketball CPA, three only had three assists on even. That's very unseat P three light. We get all of that. But here's the thing that I wanted to to pay attention to that when we're talking about James harden shooting for twelve from three point range, they. They can't stop her from scoring. He could get to the whole it will. But I told you go up against the Golden State Warriors. When all else fails, then default position is to make you into a two point shooting team, but two point scoring team. And at the sensually what happened with the Houston Rockets last thing this kid mckennie at tops was out was out there on James harden. And of course, the dollar, of course, of a deceptively lakey Steph curry, the fact that a matter is is that when you or James harden, and you had some of the taller guards in your face, contesting three points, and literally playing your left hand, literally tilting to the side to make sure that they will own your left hand. Oh, got to a point with James auditors like go to the home. I gotta go to the whole. I gotta make basketball the people. I gotta make baskets for myself. So he's always going to school put an order to beat the Golden State Warriors. But take Eulalie if get a Houston Rockets you've got. Be able to make shots from three point range. And when they go up against Houston. They know that they're gonna put length on James harden. They're going to strive to turn him into a two point scoring two points scorer. And ultimately that will detrimentally affect the Houston Rockets offense. That's exactly what happened last night outside of boogie cousins would his passing ability not just a scoring hitting eleven of sixteen shots. But as passing ability as well. And of course, Klay Thompson is Klay Thompson. This is what I'm talking about right here. They go on the road in Houston without K D And win mailbag shells. Gooney was excellent particularly early in the game. And you could see how playing with a guy with a five like that help Steph. Nothing's clogged up. They can play five out. Boogie can hit the three book. You can get the ball in the post and move it and make the right decision. He's a very cerebral player. So that was all working for Golden State and yet and yet they didn't have. Rent. But again boogieing gonna give you twenty seven every night they needed him to without K D. And yet there was a one possession game and hardened again wasn't hitting threes. And you bring up a good point about making them hit twos. Like there was a rare mid range jump shot citing from James harden last night, which is actually like new hardened hit a mid range what's going on. But something's wrong with the rockets. But it's true. It was it was it indicated that they were defending the three nevertheless harden has to hit it like Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant. Well, what do you want to be Michael Jordan? Yeah. What do you want to be Kobe Bryant? Yeah. He's doing things in the regular season. That no one's done since. Then why can't you do it when it matters most and not this was a playoff game. This against going see in the play. Let me ask you this question. Why does he have to hit? It could be camp. Acilitator other Sydney every Gordon shot three or seven for three point range. He J Tucker shot one of seven from three point range. The point is regardless of what you want to say about James audit, James hard issue. Eight of eleven from two point range. He was off with his threes. Just like he was often gave seven last year. But if Trevor REEs doesn't go old for twelve over non from three point range could we potentially be talking about a different story. Of course, we could. So if James harden has the ability to get into the lane courts, create attention and kick it out to other cats supposedly they can hit those threes. Why does it always have to be haunted? How can hit those threes? Listen, I think that's an excellent question. And it gets right to the heart of the issue. He can't he does have teammates. He should trust them. They should be able to can open threes when he gets them those looks or even when someone else does like CB three or they get them for themselves. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying when if comes down to it he is going to half the hit his threes. If they want to beat the warriors because everyone in the universe, including me, Stephen egg knowledge is who warriors are the more talented team. If both teams play as we are accustomed to seeing them play the warriors will win. In other words, the rockets or the team that need that special Ed formats from their best player to do it. And Stephen what I'm saying is in the regular season hardens better than LeBron. And Stephan everyone writes while he wins the MVP he has to do it in the playoffs to if he does they can win if he goes to for twelve they can't. Max the fact that it matters. I disagree with you. Because let's say, for example, they shot forty one threes last night, they made eleven what of James harden had only taking six threes, but the other thirty five came from elsewhere the point that I'm trying to make to use that if James Hart is a fishing enough offensively, but you're getting the contribution from others. Remember, it PJ Tucker key hit corner threes, Gerald green hit three or five three's or right? Eric, gordon? Can't hit threes. All right. So you've got see pre three could hit threes. Austin rivers could hit him on occasion. You've got people on your squad who could hit threes. So you being fixated on James harden hitting the threes. I'm saying that you if James harden and average is thirty a right, but he only attempts a six three pointers. Don't tell me that's going to be the reason. Houston lose other dudes. Tony's got him on there for a reason. Steven one wanna flu you can hit the how much by last night. I watched the time and talk to them don't go by that that's deceptive. I watched the game from start to finish. They want me to insistently by ten to twelve but wait around. Joins. So what I'm saying to you? But then the rockets made of what I'm saying is go golden Golden State took its foot off the gas. Well, whatever tops to stay after the game. Stephen it was a two point game. You said let me let me add some question would let me your question. I you said what if James harden only shot three you wouldn't answer. My call. Let's say let's say James harden only shot six threes. Then I'm saying hit three of them. Instead of two of them you with by point. According to the score my point is you got an Kano shots. If you're the best player in the world hit the shots when it matters. Most. I can't believe this is controversial for you. Am I and my response, and my responses that makes no sense when you take into account the fact that we just acknowledge if Trevor REEs aid some shots in game seven they may have one I'm saying he's not only to hit this. This is the crux of the issue. And I'm shocked this is inconsistent from your point of view about the greatest players of all time. Which James harden is trying to be one of those guys. Right you. Yes, it's great to rely on your role players have confidence them and everything. But if they're not hitting shots. What would Michael Jordan do? What would he do under those circumstances? Sometimes it's not sometimes frequently throughout the history of the NBA. It's incumbent upon the player to make Sheils corden, folks, you're confusing. You're confusing folks. I did say James harden can't make shots. I said it doesn't have to be threes. That's what I said. It's warrior's stare, Stephen as saying other people could step. 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This is sportscenter right now month at the Collins, the raiders introduced the biggest splash of their offseason. So far Antonio Brown met with the media where he talked about things like leadership can ability and actions when asked if he has any regrets about anything said or did over the last year. Here's what he had to say. What's it any kid out there from Pittsburgh? You know? Prisburg always be my family. Those guys gave me a chance when I was twenty one year old kid, obviously, people listen to the things that being said written for ending the day is all behind you make people feel I think I made people feel really great. And really inspired the way they watched me go to work away wash me play or bring accountability. Now, bring bring bring actions in not what I say, what do you know, how probes things, you know, holding Gaza accountable and receive a room Antonio you've seen pretty excited to work with Derek Carr. What about your guys partnership excites? You. Just refreshing. I think he's hungry I assess Hungary fraternal organization around a hungry to get on the winning side of things and I'm just hungry for the same things. All right. It's safe to say the readers could have used AB last season. Oaken wideouts. Rank in the bottom third of league receiving yards touchdowns and yards per catch. Back round had six more touchdown catches himself and the raiders receivers come by or more. Let's get you back. Earthquakes? Tony, thank you. The stash has gone, but we do have a dangling diamond earing there knowing all seriousness Brown wants to be a role model and inspire people through his work ethics speaking, a work ethic. Look who's here. Bruschi? What's going? What's up fellas? Who starting on this one? All right. Do you like what he had to say? You wanna start Stephen as Ed? Yeah. I like the floor is yours. I didn't. I did not and I should say to be more specific fellas. I don't like what he didn't say. I don't like the absence of candor. That's that's what I don't like when he talks about himself being a role model for the record. I want everybody to understand this. If you think about what it takes to be great on a National Football League. And obviously, I don't I never played football. I don't know. I'm only listening to guys that I because I know a whole, but to people that have played in the NFL that have started in the NFL that hall of famers of obviously, we're blessed to be here with Tedy Bruschi listening to this Super Bowl champion as well. There is nobody that can take away from the work ethic. The commitment on field and performance. Excellent. That Antonio Brown. It's put forth over the last six seasons. A minimum of one hundred one yards one hundred one receptions season a minimum of twelve hundred and eighty seven yards per season over the last six years. The work ethic that he puts in this commitment to excellent tight takes care of his body. Those you can be a role model in that regard. Obviously, we're not gonna look at his antics off the field in terms of, you know, the Facebook live when the coaches in the background telling us there, those you're media. You know, call it out your team mates the way that he big. Big bend one minute. Coach another Kevin Kobe, GM, another etc. You're gonna look at that differently. Clearly, this was all about the money. And I'll let max get and all of that. All I'm saying is this if it was clearly about that it would have been nice to hear Antonio Brown's say, you know, what that Pittsburgh stuff. I was emotional right there because I got tired of being shafted financially. I deserved this. I wanted this. And I wasn't going to get it there. So I had to get the hell out of there to get some place else. It would have been nice to hear him say that as opposed to leaving the residue of his words just hanging out there about Big Ben about coach Tomlin about Kevin Cobra about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because now going into next season, even though he's a raider. And that's no longer his problem. And we understand that there is some residue left behind with due to going to be on the hot seat and. Potentially a coach's job might be on the line because of how he's perceived as having mismanaged a situation that Antonio Brown certainly contributes to so it would have been nice to hear him speak on those issues. And unfortunately, he did not do that. While I was also pointed look. It's what he didn't say. I agree with you one hundred percent because I specifically remember a question where it was a layup where he could have easily said what you just just reference there when somebody asks are there any regrets that you have when how you exited from Pittsburgh, and he'd almost a Klein that question and as being someone that's been in the locker room the one regret. I would have liked to hear him say was leaving his team hanging on Sunday week seventeen when Mike Tomlin he called it their darkest hour, and he wasn't there for them. That was easy. It would have been easy for him to say. It was an emotional time for me not being there for my teammates on that Sunday. I would've liked to play with them and help them win that help them perform and win the football game do things that was a setup thousand set of question that he could have easily done that. And I would have liked to have heard him say that. But that's what that's what he missed that was my problem with the press conference there max, look I liked what he said because it highlights something and you have to read between the lines a little bit. If you're fan watching at home and teddy I won't speak for you. But I'll speak for many of the people as Steven mentioned that I spoke in to a known through the years who played professional football. And to my own kind of common sense, the incentive to play tackle football is to get paid. And if you so obviously true, that's why very few people play tackle football, just for fun people, and even many who do are hoping one day to get paid because it's dangerous and hurts, and you can only do it so many times in your life. And so. So the idea that that a player works hard in order to put himself in a position to get rich and richer, by the way is not hard to understand. And the reason there's a salary cap is so that the owners can transfer some of the money that would go to the players themselves out. It's not about competitive balance, you could put luxury taxes the other things you can do for competitive balance, a soft cap a hard cap is the owner saying we are taking this percentage of the revenue period. We're not going to have an open market, which is how we all got rich in the real world. We're going to close it to transfer some of the money from the players to us. And so the players are really in a competition with each other to see who gets the biggest percentage of that money. And when you are in the conversation to the best to ever did it at your position, and it's really important position. And you're at the age where this is going to be the last time you get the big money contract with you're gonna want to cash in. It is not coincidental that Antonio Brown's guaranteed portion of his contract was up. Any forced his way out of Pittsburgh wanted to get paid? Right. So he got paid and for those who would say, well, don't you want to win a championship and yada, yada? Look the job of the coach and the franchise is to channel the players interest in making money into a winning situation. Right and sometimes even sacrificing money on the margin here because I'm a little irritated because. Okay. Earning money gets part is part of the incentive. Okay. You may be talking to a different player that had different goals in his corner. But for me, it was part of the incentive. And if it is the other part of the incentive, you talked about winning and winning championships never say yada, yada, yada. After that to take that personally. So winning championship is a big part of that. And you don't want to win championships with people you don't trust. So there's two sides of the story. I understand the frustration of Antonio. Brown. If he felt like he didn't have a relationship with his quarterback where he could trust him or he felt like his quarterback was selling them out. That's a big thing. Because you talk about a quarterback head coach relationship a quarterback where Seabra relate relationship chemistry. It is very important in. So if there is that feeling okay, money's important. Of course, it's important especially to Antonio Brown. I get that for him. Max it's a big part of why he plays the game. But I like to say him finding something with Derek Carr seeing him with Derek Carr and seeing the frustration. He voiced about Ben Rothlisberger. And rothlisburger calling him out the way you do that respect. And trust is also a huge thing within a quarterback receiver relationship that wasn't there. But I hold on let me respond to that real quick. Because I want to come to something you said as well. Okay. So limit so teddy. I understand a championship player who puts team ahead of themselves. Sometimes even sometimes the head of their financial future. At least on the margins would say, wait a minute. That's not how you win a championship. Maybe it's not an it's an issue of priority to the individual player. But I've asked this of many players who haven't won championships. I'll ask you to view what percentage of your career income. Would you have given up to win a championship? In other words, you made X. Would you make X minus five percent if it meant no championship or plus in your case five percent or ten percent it because I usually hear some small percentage like that. I've never come across the player said I would have made half of what I would have made in my career. I only I could have won a championship. I don't hear that from guys. That's interesting when you put percentages like that. Minimum salary was good enough. For me. If I'm in a situation where I can win championships and continue to win championships. I mean, I'm a simple, man. I'm a simple person. I mean, I pay my house off pay some bills that I'm good family. Good bills paid. Let's go play some football, your rare and your the kind of player everyone wants on their team. But but I would not say you were an addictive of the general population in football that I still understand telling you Brown's coming from. But all and there's a lot of players, and I know this to this all money in good money sometimes to all right? That's an old Domino's saying, so listen, if you don't like the money is one thing that thing with that quarterback was huge that thing with that head coach that general manager he played it the way he wanted to play. But if you don't have your respect, and you don't have your trust. I'll get my money somewhere else if I didn't have respect or trust on certain organization in New England. I possibly might have wanted out to. Teddy ten you're not the only one that's annoyed. I'm annoyed and I'm annoyed. It's taken me this long to get to you max. Because the point that I wanted to get to you. And I want you to respond to this max is very important to me that you respond to this is very very simple, you're bringing up stuff about Antonio Brown's money. That's not the issue because yesterday's press conference. He already had his money. So the point that I'm trying to make us we have to get back to the character issue that we're alluding to afford sample. You're sitting here talking listen, we're debate. And we on a debate show, whatever people have differences. All right. I got differences with you. You have differences with me from Tom Tom hell, but guess what we roll out there together, we're one and somebody I can't get on max, I can't get on Molly. But if somebody else tries to it's gonna be a problem because we're a part of this family rear on the same team. So I can sit up there, and you have an. NBA annoyed with you all day, everyday somebody else trying to come at you. It's going to be a problem. So when you say, okay Antonio Brown. It's about as money, and it's the job of the organization to incentivize you to perform after you get that money into do. What's in the best interest of the franchise? I am making the argument that when you know, you didn't necessarily do that beat a team player that teddy alluded to with the way you exit Pittsburgh, what's you're going. And you saw it on the dotted line. And you know, you have your money you as a human being can't make the concerted effort to sort of clean that stuff up for people who have a livelihood to consider as well, meaning of Mike Tomlin. You can't do that. Well, I would say this what when did he force his way out? In fact, I'm not pretending. He was a choirboy. Like, you know, I I was on him when he's putting on social media the moment when Tomlin sakes, so she'll be. What I'm saying is the guaranteed money is up. If you're a franchise who wants to keep dude like that happy, especially dude. Like that who you're thinking. Well, that may be more important to him than to some then with either you guarantee him more money or you could expect those kind of problems. And is he going to come out and say that max? Yet. What I'm saying? Max is now that you signed on the dotted line. And you know, you have your money. There are things that you did in an effort to get the money. So a got it could you not clean it up a little bit for others that you may have a fair objective, all alone. What's your money as opposed to their behavior? You can say that. I think that's a fair point what I'm saying he behaves. Than optimally. Yeah. Let me ask you this and teddy I'll come to you, do you think he's gonna be a distraction moving forward. Do you think he can really change now that he's in a new environment? It's inevitable. It's inevitable that the distraction will happen. He'll be late for a meeting. Something will happen. All right. What what what I was always keen to in New England when we brought somebody else in from another organization that had a history was there is no judgment. Once you walk through the door. Okay. Everything you did was in the past. And so let's just develop a relationship and become a teammate. Now when the first time it happens again. That's when you gotta have a conversation. I hope the leaders in the in the raiders locker room. No that he becomes late. He becomes late for a meeting. It's like, okay. Okay. Hold up. Hold up. Antonio the accountability. You're talking accountability. You're talking about let's talk immediately. That's when it has to happen right now. You gotta clean slate. Man. Let's go. Let's play some football. Let's get together. Let's work out at ten. With their car. But after that now, you gotta start holding him accountable in if I was an Tonio Brown, but I stopped talking about all the accountability stuff and focus on leading, by example. I just do that. Teddy. Did you what did you think about what I said to max? That's where I'm trying to get the answer to what did you think? Grant say about. I have great. Yeah. I agree with you. It's all said and done you got your money, man. You should be reflective here. Like, yeah. My bad over there. I shouldn't have done that. Especially that week seventeen thing seventeen that's inexcusable to a high percentage of players most players, most coaches everything's on the line, darkest hour, Mike Tomlin, and you're not there. Do you take any accountability for that? You know, what I could have handled that better that Eddie noodle? Head to tell him to say say that once that would have been the sound bite. Yes. I could have handled some things better moving on teddy gets that that Stephen eight. I think it's a fair point you're making what about this though as it relates to Tony Brown on the raiders. No one's perfect. And you're right. Sure. Hold them accountable. If these late to a meeting, but what about the on the? Field work ethic. The fact, you know, at practice the fact that he's going to out work everybody. In other words in certain respects. It'll be less than a perfect role model or teammate in other respects. He'll be the best they've ever seen like doesn't the good get weighed with the bad. It's not like you are bad at this therefore bad Antonio Brown. Just yell. We're going to hold you accountable right here. But wow, he's a great role model in these other respects. What's what's the message? Jon Gruden is telling them in those meetings every day, I'm not there. I don't know. I can only assume that he's still got that old school accountability beyond time those type of things that he wants to establish to establish us to establish a winning culture when it's not followed. The first thing that's going to happen. Is this the players are going to turn their heads look over to coach gruden's look at him. All right. What are you gonna do? You're gonna do something. I because you first then me will tag team them that way. And we'll get it all done through that. That's how we'll get it handled. But if does if it doesn't come. Come from the head coach I and you continue to an able behavior that it is possible. Like, I said inevitable that possibly he can't come late for a meeting, and he can do some of the things he didn't Pittsburgh. Now, you're going to have the same situation over again cause me as a player, whom I go and try to police this guy when you Mr. grew Jon Gruden or Mr. Gruden as Antonio said in his press conference talk the talk, but there's your player that you wanted and you loved, but you're not you're not police in this yourself Ryan coach to let's leave it there. And let's keep in mind. This team is going to be in Vegas in a year. Talk about distractions galore, Vegas Cincinnati. State farm Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no one burden down, your she shed shero all really victim. Because my she sheds burning up in the backyard. Does she share what struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert state farm cover? My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she she or she head. Can we stop his she shed now go with a win? That's here to help life go, right? State farm talk to an agent today. Sportscenter right now, I'm on bunny at the Collins collar, Mary the favor to go number one. At this year's NFL draft continues to impress more than seventy executives coaches and scouts from NFL teams. We're Norman Oklahoma for its pro day yesterday and the quarterback the not disappoint Murray who tipped the scales at two hundred and five pounds to shy of the Columbine sixty seven passes and completed sixty one of them, however, Murray declined to run on dealer. Jila drills are time mcshea caught up with the Heisman winner where he explained is decision. In it, and you know, monophyletic ability as far as you know, run a fast on the field getting outta pocket. You know, make stuff happened with my leg. So, you know, after the, you know, just I got a lot of ice from a lot of people just felt like it was best that, you know, just come out and throw the ball. I noticed that too. During your throwing session. It was almost every throw was inside the pocket was that the design this. I was like I said, you know, coming out here rolling out and stuff like that. It wasn't you know, our main focus. By the way, mcshea has Mary going number one overall to the Zona cardinals in his latest mug draft for more. Let's get you back to I take. Kylo Murray, they're happy with his performance, completing sixty one of sixty seven passes in front of seventy five exact scouts and coaches Tedy Bruschi back here with us. Max are you convinced Keiler is the best quarterback in this draft. Because in case you're wondering, I'm looking for a quarterback at this moment. Yes. But it's not about this moment over the long haul. Okay. And let me preface what I'm going to say guys by being very clear about the following. There have been pernicious and pervasive. There has been a pernicious in pervasive stereotype about African American football players as it relates to the quarterback position black quarterbacks. Warren Moon was forced out of the NFL. Couldn't get a job in the NFL as quarterback one of the best quarterbacks you've ever seen. They thought he wanted. They said he should be a wide out. And the stereotypes were that they didn't have the intellectual capacity or the leadership skills. Those kind of things. And then it became a little more subtle. Well, if you can run as by the way, many white quarterbacks can to then it's not so good because you can always be tempted to take a first down with your legs. You never learn how to be a pocket passer those countries with Cuyler Murray understand the game tape all says, good stuff. And that's the most important thing. How'd you play in college? Right. That's the best indicator, but people wanna know more. So I've preface it with all by saying all that guys. Because I understand when Charley Casserly passed along information. He was getting from various teams that he said, it's the worst. I've ever heard it with those intangibles about a quarterback, and they they align very closely to those stereotypes. I just mentioned Stephen A, you made a point to really highlight that as did I and I think it's important and many people did well before you pass information along like that. You'd better be careful particularly along around this time of year. When teams have reason to lie to media about a player who's value. They wanted to press in the draft. All that said. So I'm very aware of that. Do I wanna know more? Yes. Because when I have followed up with some people at asked, what are you hearing about that stuff? Study habits and stuff like that people are hearing things like well, he's making all the right reads. Anyway, it's not about the study habits with him so much, and I would like to know more, and let's take race out of it for a second this way you can't really separate it from race. But take like Ryan Lee for Peyton Manning who was better who who would you draft. Will you would want to know more about the about like how serious is Ryan leaf about studying the playbook stuff like that? Right. And that's all I'm saying right now, my eyeballs say that guy is the Kyla Murray's the best quarterback. But it's not about right now. How is how is he gonna compare to say Dwayne Haskins over the long haul so questions about how does he studying those kind of things are important? I do not know that he will be the best quarterback over the long haul. He very well. Maybe but I do have questions. Here's my thing. And I'm going before you teddy because your expertise should cap the conversation as opposed to me into checking after you. Let me say this first things first I'm tired of hearing about Charley Casserly, just reporting from the NFL scouting. Combine you act like max, and I'm not I shouldn't say you're acting like because you quoting him, and I respect where you're coming from. But I heard it differently because it's one thing to report the information. There's another thing to come across as vehement and in fatty in articulating in L A cuting up position that was given to you by somebody else owning it as your own as if you yourself feels that way. And rather than read the quotes the producers for I tape, can we please here. Charley Casserly speak for a second. Please on column Murray play that sound for me some number one because this was not good. This was the worst. Comments. I ever got a higher rate a quarter. Man, you Lee I've been doing this a long time leadership. Not good case. Study habits not good the board work below night. Good night good at on any of those areas. And raising major concerns about what this guy's gonna do. Now, listen to that. And what did you get? Did. You hear him say excuse me. This is the consistent with what we've seen it. Oklahoma forty two touchdowns just seven interceptions forty three hundred passing yards. Over a thousand rushing yards accounted for fifty four touchdowns. He can beat you with a sixty yard bomb or a sixty yard run. No. Then we sit up there and say listen in all my years. This is what I'm shocked that what I heard because it just doesn't five with the facts based on what we saw on a collegiate level. But this is what they're saying. No this man came across as oh my goodness. Look at what I'm here. And I've got to believe this stuff. That's how he came across. And it did not escape me that as I was watching the other night when the news came down about Dell Beckham junior and the news came down about other people on the NFL network Charlie Kathleen was nowhere to be found. But I don't work for that network. So I won't get into that. It's just something that struck me as more than a coincidence. Here's the thing about Allah Murray. Think about what he brings to the table. He's a pocket passer that were questions about his height. He answered it was questions about his weight. He has instant- question about his aunt Saad. He is would you take all of those things that are consideration combined with the number combined with the credentials combined with the fact that after sitting down two years backing up Baker Mayfield after transfer him. He comes and not only succeed Baker Mayfield. But eclipses him numbers wise, not to mention also winning Osmond, also taking Oklahoma to the college football playoff any trepidation that you may have had good look at Alabama Alabama would've Twenty-one enough that on them in the college football playoff. What did they do? They said excuse me. The scouting report shows that column Murray the one time he is a bit inaccurate is when you pressure him and force them to get rid of the ball quicker now sometimes they'll scurry out and run and run all over you. But on the time, she'll try to throw us, and occasionally that won't everything usual, Alabama. Emma, tried that that went up twenty one to nothing, and that's the last three quarters or their game against Oklahoma in a playoff running for their lives across out loud. Because they were scared to death at what Tyler column Mary was gonna give to you. So to answer. The question is very very simple. I think right now he should be perceived as the best in the draft. Because when we look at Haskins with basically talking about him throwing I was the fool that mentioned and running and I own net. But the bottom line is I never confused as being somebody that was column Murray, he's a dual threat teddy, and I'm gonna pay attention to that. Collar murray. I think he's going to be the number one overall. He's the best quarterback in the draft in my opinion. He like you said Stephen a. Grow from the pocket. I love the way he's handling the draft process. Because Kyle knows what questions he had an answer at the combine it was my hands size. It was my hype. It was my weight. I did that. And you know, what that's all you're going to get. No, I'm not going to run a forty so he gets to his pro workout. And all he does is mainly throw from the pocket. I think he rolled out just once, but you wanna see me through from the pocket. That's what I'm going to do. I don't have to run any tests for you. I'm not going to run any forty tests for you. Because you know, what what basically Cuyler Murray is saying is watch the tape the tape watch me throat from the pocket watch me around. My teammates. Watch me use my playmaking ability and my athletic ability, Pete. My accuracy, see what I can do watch the tape. I'm the best in the draft. And go ahead and talk to my coaches because my coaches vouch for me, that's why all of these smoke screens around these draft process in meetings. I if I were if I were collar Murray, I'd stop the interview process. I'd stop at all. Arizona Cardinals weren't even they didn't even have a presence hardly at the workout. Because I think they know to you talk about a quarterback. That's perfectly a perfect fit for a system and a coach it's cliff Kingsbury what he wants to do how he wants his quarterback to be an athlete how he can be creative with his quarterback. That's the playmaker. You have it in Cuyler, Mary Kingsbury knows that. I think the Zona cardinals know that all of those answers. This is just a hoops in Cuyler saying, I'm not running through your hoops. I'm just showing you what I think you need to see. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna jump through. Your hoops. Just picked me number one. Because there's a reason I win the Heisman not. All right. We will leave it there. He's just the second quarterback of Asian ancestry. I found that interesting. Do you know the last one in the NFL? Yeah, you're not gonna now it's nine hundred sixty nine good Roman Kim, Roman Gabriel half Korean.

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