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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"trevor cahill" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Okay, first step last was prompted by a question from Patreon supporter Reggie, who says today I ended up down a baseball wormhole. I discovered that one of our student workers was born the day out later became the first pitcher to beat all 30 current franchises. What is fun with this feat is that there are three teams, the cubs against the Yankees braves against the pirates and white sacks against the rangers who are all scheduled to play the weekend of June 10th to 12th, the Sox Lance Lynn, the braves Charlie Morton, and the cubs weighed Miley, all have one team left to get to the 30 defeated teams club, and it is the very team their respective organizations are facing. If that is the case, that is interesting. Here is my question though. I found lists for pitchers who have wins against every team and a list for those with saves against all the franchises of it. But nowhere can I seem to find a list of the pitchers who have all lost a game to every team. Do you have any information that can help me with this? And I do courtesy of frequent stat less consultant Ryan Nelson and his handy dandy retro sheet database, find Ryan on Twitter at RS Nelson 23. So this is less as in actually took the loss was credited with the loss, not just your team lost a game that you started. So I will read you the list of pitchers who have lost a game to all of the current 30 MLB franchises. We have Kevin Brown, AJ Burnett, Trevor Cahill, bartolo colon, RA Dickey, John Garland, Dan Heron, Ken hill, a lighter, Ted Lilly, Kyle loach, Derrick Lowe, Kevin millwood, Jamie Moyer, Carl pavano, Ismail Valdez, David wells, and Barry zito, that is the complete list, although there are a couple of players who are close one away, Zach grinke has lost games to 29 teams, the current teams, but has not lost to the Marlins, and Ian Kennedy has not lost to Atlanta. Those are the two active pictures at 29. So I will put those names and lists online if you're interested. But that did kind of get me curious about pictures in general. We don't think a lot or talk a lot about pitcher wins or picture losses for that matter these days. But I was just thinking, you have starting pitchers who get decisions a lot less often than they used to. Because starters go less deep into games. And we have deprioritized the win in the last four other reasons. We just have better stats available now, but I think another reason is that pitchers are not having as much of an impact on who actually wins that game anymore, just because they're not pitching in as much of it any individual picture, of course. So just looking at the rate of decisions so the percentage of all stars that produced a decision for the starting pitcher win or going back to 1901, it was 99%. It was 98.6% of the time the pitcher was credited with a winner was the starting pitcher that is. It stayed pretty high for quite a while. It was like in the 90s up until maybe the war, World War II, and then it gradually declined a little bit, but it was still consistently like 80 something and the 70s and then it was three quarters of the time. As late as 2014, even it was like 70% of the time, the starting pitcher would get the decision. But these days, it's around an all time low as you would expect. So this season, the starting pitcher has gotten the decision less than 62% of the time. Last year it was 59, the year before that, it was 58, so really, it's less than 60, basically now. And the other interesting thing about this to me was I was thinking, okay, you're less likely to get a decision if you're a starter, you're also less likely to stay in the game long enough to qualify for a win, but you can get credited with a loss without going as deep into it. Right. If you're pitching well, you still have to go 5 innings to get the win in almost all cases. But if you are not pitching well, you don't have to stay in long at all. Just matters whether you gave up the lead and that was the decisive lead change. So I was curious to see whether nowadays there would be a higher percentage of decisions that were losses relative to wins than there used to be, and that is indeed true. Again, going back to the beginning, it was basically 50 50, almost exactly every year, because pitchers were almost always getting the win over the last. They were in the entire game, so half of those decisions would be wins and half of them would be less as, roughly. And that didn't move all that much for quite a while, but now it's down to wins being just about 46% of decisions for starting pitchers, 46.7 as we speak. And it was really like consistently as late as 2005. It was 50% and as late as 2013, it was 49.8%, like it hadn't changed all that much until just these past few years, really. Like 2017, it was 49% and then 2018, it was 48% and then 2019, it was 47.5%, 2020, which was weird in every way, was very low. That was 45%. And then last year was 46.6% and now the same. So, not only are you less likely to get a decision as a starter now, but if you do get a decision, it is more likely that that decision will be a loss. So just starting pitchers on the whole going into Friday's games are three 84 and four 39 so far this season. Not so great. Wow, that's not so great. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just a product of the way that winds are awarded as opposed to losses. You can blow it in any number of it. Yes..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"trevor cahill" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"And part of it was that he just heated up and kept getting better seemingly as the season went on. But for someone who hit 30 homers and has that kind of power and that was only in a 140 games and also struck out like 16% of the time. I mean, that's like Brantley esque that's really good in today's game that's been broken by the Dodgers. So I think you hope that he can continue to progress and maybe even play more games because I guess the offensive depth we talked about the pitching depth and the fact that they have a lot of starters and guys like Christian Xavier, who maybe are headed for the bullpen, but could start if needed. Their bench is not the deepest. I mean, you have Martin Maldonado, who the Astros just seemed to really like as someone who works well with pitchers and does things well defensively, but just doesn't hit, then you have Jason Castro, who maybe hits better on the bench, but beyond that, you know, Brantley, you can almost pencil in for an injury at some point every year. And then you're looking at Jose Siri out there, I guess, and if Pena doesn't hit the ground running, then you've got eco goodrum who came in or DS. So there would be big steps back there. And they're already maybe a couple holes or at least one big hole late in the bottom of that lineup. So it's strong, but maybe the depth isn't quite there that they had in the past. Yeah, I mean, I think we would all, I feel comfortable speaking up that we would all feel better about this team if they had resigned Carlos grey. It's interesting. I think it must be what you said, Ben, that they don't feel pushed by the rest of the division. And since otherwise, this team, I don't think projects to be all that great. I mean, it might be the worst division it might be the worst division winner coming your ex. And so, you know, and you project them for another two or three if they had added career. So I'd like them a lot more that way. And I think to briefly talk about Kyle Tucker, I see him destined to be one of those players who is unknown despite being great at baseball. He just doesn't nothing about him seems to be attracting attention of the wider baseball following public. He's a very quiet fella. And I think that I think he's destined for the Brantley sort of existence where he just posts and no one. No one outside his local market properly appreciates him. Yeah, he ends up becoming your favorite hitters favorite header because of the approach, but not someone we talk about as much. I'm going to blow your mind and tell you that the Astros are actually at least by our projections slated to be the third best team in the American League. Yeah, third best team in the American League. Yeah, they're ahead of the White Sox by our projections by two wins. They trail only the Blue Jays and the Yankees. And the Yankees only buy a teensy tiny little bit. So it is a perhaps the whole is greater than the sum of the parts kind of a serious situation. Disagree with that. Would you be surprised if the white sucks ended up a couple wins better than them? No. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I would probably say that to me that the fourth best team in the American League, but that's not a problem, necessarily. They also have, I think, the second weakest projected strength of schedule in the league, although the White Sox have the weakest. So it doesn't explain that. All right, well, let's talk about a team that is near and dear to my heart and my viewing habits, the angels. And yeah, you know, you just said that maybe you're higher on than I am. I don't maybe it's just that I've been burned before. I mean, I can certainly dream on the angels and construct a scenario where things finally turn out well for them this year, but it's tough just because as my colleague at the ringer Zack krim recently learned the angels have undershot their fan grafts playoff ads projections for the past 7 years, 7 consecutive years. They have fallen short of their projected wind total and no other team, I think, was more than four in a row. So it's not that they have undershot by so many wins every year necessarily, but they just always seem to underachieve. And I guess if you were going to pinpoint one reason why it would be because of the pitching and just the lack of pitching and then pitching injuries. So a big priority, this off season was, or at least should have been shoring up that area of the roster. So that leads to the first question about best off season move. What do you think it was and do you think they did enough in that area? I do not. I do not. I want to be I want to be clear in that I dream on the angels as a possibility. I think there is you have to preserve that ten or 20% possibility that everything clicks and they're great and maybe 20% is too high. 5 to 10% possibility. But I still would project ultimately that they're not going to make the playoffs because of the same thing because of everything you just said, Ben. And we've seen this many times before. Pictures on one year deals that don't really question the upside of. You know, that's right in the angel's realm. Matt Harvey, Trevor Cahill. Noah syndergaard. Like, I just don't see the best case scenario for Noah's kindergarten is a 130 innings of three ERA baseball, which is which is probably worth about 25 million on the open market. And so that's what they got from Otani last year, so. I mean, I'm not trying to diminish that, but that's still not enough. And they need more than that. And if you're going to spend that much on one year where there's no long-term upside on the player, I'd like to think that you could at least get a full season out of him. And they're not even going to try to to their, which is part of his constraint. So I don't see it. I mean, I guess if you ask me for best off season move, I like some of the relievers they added, but like not necessarily necessarily like the terms of them. You know, I don't really like committing multiple years to Ryan to para. I like Aaron loop as a reliever. I suppose, but he's good, but I probably, you know, they spent a lot of money on people that probably won't be pushing them over the edge. You know, these moves make a lot more sense if they're if they had maybe three or four more wins on their roster, and they were like, that's the margin between making the playoffs and not. And maybe that's maybe that'll prove to be right, but I see it more as like they're right around 85 or something like that. Yeah, last year they didn't have a single qualified starter and I don't think that there's anyone who challenges is going to challenge that this year unless undergrad is just a lot healthier than we think or like, I don't know, read debt performs so well that he gets moved up and then pitches a bunch more than we expect him to. It's just a really wild state of affairs. Within the organization they're really high on Patrick Sandoval, who had a nice last year, if you're going to project this fellow for a full season. What are we expecting to put up the RA fib wise? I don't know that it's I can't project him to repeat a three 6 ERA over a 32 starts. And so when you look at that, there's just the rotation just a House of Cards waiting to fall down and I don't see it..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"trevor cahill" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Broadcasters, midseason. They got rid of Darren Sutton, who had just joined their broadcast crew in I think it was maybe June or July sort of suddenly and abruptly without much of an explanation and I think he was sort of blindsided by it and I as someone who was listening and watching you a lot of angels games was surprised by it. But I don't know that that matters to all that many people and I don't think the broadcast took a huge hit after the fact that didn't mind his commentary, but didn't mind what happened after he left ether. It was just kind of unusual. But one thing that someone pointed out is that for the second full season in a row, the angels had only one pitcher who threw a hundred innings or more. And I remember talking about this in 2019 when it happened. I didn't talk about it this year, although we did, I think, touch on that one picture, a time or two this year. He came up as I recall, but did not really mention the fact that he was the lone pitcher on that staff to throw a hundred innings. It was only Otani. Obviously, no 100 innings in 2020, but to go to full straight seasons without more than one pitcher on your staff, throwing a hundred innings in 2019, it was Trevor Cahill. And there have been only three teams in history if you exclude 2020 and 19th century teams that had shorter schedules. Only three teams in history have done this have had only one pitcher on their staff with a hundred or more innings. It's the 2019 angels, the 2021 angels and the 2012 rockies. Who I think was that the year that they had the strict initiatives limits and maybe rotation or something. Generally, it's just hard for the rockies to have the pitching and to have pitchers throw a lot of innings at least up until very recently. So Jeff Francis did it for them that year. But three teams in history, one's in course and the others are both angels in the past couple of full seasons that they've had that's not great. I'm kind of surprised that the rangers didn't make that list. Because they have just been snakebit doesn't begin to describe some of the pitching was that they have had it from an injury perspective. So if any team was going to make that list, I'm kind of surprised that Texas managed to duck it, but yeah, it's hard because pictures just get hurt all the time. Like no one should do it. We joke about this all the time. Like pitching is bad for you. The fact that anyone does it is kind of wild. And I have sympathy for the fact that you can be trying very earnestly to assemble a rotation that is going to buoy Mike Trout and Otani into the postseason and just have bad luck from underperformance or injury, but it is sort of, it's really shocking. I think that maybe instead of revenue sharing, we should allow the angels to have an exception to any of the salary tax thresholds and also they should get to do an expansion draft for pitching. Because the sport's better if we get to see trout in Otani in October. And so I think that in the interest of the collective, the other 20 19s need to band together to give them just some arms that don't fall off, really. The rangers had 6 pitchers who managed triple digit initiatives totals this year. Who news? But I think this kind of thing like obviously innings totals are getting lower across the board and you're fighting the total innings across a greater number of pitchers. So it's less strange that this happened in 2021 than in any other era of baseball history. But it's still hard to do and it's hard to win if you are doing that, which is kind of why the angels and their moves this off season you can't count on Noah cinder card to snap the streak next year, like no. Hopefully he will, but he would not be at the top of the list of like, hey, I just want to get someone I can count on to throw a hundred innings next year. It would not be no asunder cart, right? So I think that's kind of why I was thinking, hey, they should probably go get some dependable as dependable as any pitcher can actually be in this day and age. Just get someone. You can pencil in as your second hundred plus in a picture. It would be nice. You know who they could really have used, and I don't know where they were in the waiver order relative to these things. But you know who they could have really used? With Miley. Yeah, sure. You know? He's fine. It's fine. He could have been a help to them. I don't know where they were relative to Chicago in the waiver order. But yeah, it's like they need some high end innings too, right? It's not just that they need an eggs. They need some of them to be good, but they also need some of them to just exist. Like in a more comfortable way. A way that doesn't involve the triple-A team quit so much because that didn't go well. Cycling through those guys seem to be not the best. And I hope redeemers is better next year, but do we know he will be? We do not. All right, next team up is the Blue Jays and the nomination here is in one of my favorite genres of stories that maybe we miss on the podcast sometimes it's.
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KNBR The Sports Leader
"trevor cahill" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Crowley. He covers the Giants for the Bay Area News group carries nice enough to hang out with us on the home against line here in the Tolbert, Kruger and Brooks show. Carrie, We always appreciate the time how you doing, man. Um, well, especially now that baseball's coming back looking forward to head on down to the desert soon. How are you guys? We are doing fine and we share your sentiment. You know what baseball's here? Let's go ahead and get it on. Unfortunately, it sure seems like When it comes to the National League, a specific in the National League West. We kind of know who the big dogs are gonna be the Dodgers and the Padres. But I don't think that's gonna make this giant season any less interesting and Intriguing is the rotation eyes that the not necessarily the biggest issue on this team, but is that something that really needs to be sorted out and hashed out in spring training and when we get answers when we get so once we get to opening day? I think it's certainly the biggest concern right now, Rod and you look at the rotation the Giants are planning around right now. It's Kevin Gosman, Johnny Cueto, Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood, and then a competition for the fifth starter job. And right now you look at that and say the front runner. Is Logan Web, but I would not be surprised at all if they added one more major league free agent Edition. Maybe swing a trade somewhere with using their excess infielder BOPE in depth and potentially signing two or three guys to minor league deals who can compete for jobs in the rotation like they did last year with Trevor Cahill. Thais Ross few years before that, with Derek Holland just because Go from 60 games to 162 games is a monumental challenge in itself to do it with the rotation. The Giants are trying to do it with where you've got a number of guys who are trying to come back from bounce back seasons or coming off of injuries. I mean, that is a really, really difficult task, not even to mention the division that they're in. Center field. I mean, they were rumored to be after Jackie Bradley Jr. He still hasn't signed. It Sounds like he wants maybe a four year deal or maybe a five year deal. I don't think I can't see them going that long with him with all the outfielders they have. In the pipeline. Where do you think they stand with Bradley? You think they're out? You think they're still monitoring? You think there's a chance? It seems like everybody's kind of blocking it and a long term deal for him. Yeah, I would imagine they're monitoring Larry. I don't think that anything is likely. And I wouldn't say that they're probably even in on Jackie Bradley Jr at this point, especially after the addition of Lamont Wade via the trade with Minnesota and trading Sean Anderson to get the left handed hitting center field prospects. But I think that they'll move forward with Tommy lost Ella being the left handed edition, the bath that they were talking about that they were looking for, and I think that list l A in the infield really does compliment some of their other left handed hitters. Well, you looked the lineup. They could have against righties. You have less Stella, you have Alex Dickerson, You have Mikey Stransky, Brandon Belt. That's a really tough quartet of hitters to navigate through and then in center field. I would say that Marie she had a bomb is probably the front the front runner to get most of the playing time there, but expect way to compete in spring training. Maybe Steven Duggar will find his way into the mix. He's still on the 40 man roster in a few years ago, the judge, we're very excited about him, and so I just think that center field is no longer as big of a priority because they did address that left handed hole in their lineup by adding less Stella. Carry. Which one of the young guy is, Uh, you are most likely to come up and play and get some games and some of bats or some endings this year. The really tough question to answer, Tom because all of the young or damn it answer. I can't answer it. Well, all the young really exciting guys gonna be playing in San Jose, it lo Wei and Eugene it Hi, eight this year, and so you're going to see Marco Luciano Hunter Bishop Louise to review you're gonna be hearing those names all season, but they're really not gonna have a chance to impact this Giants lineup if there was one guy Who I said by the middle of the summer or the end of the season. If he really had an opportunity, it would be Elliott Ramos. And, Of course, Joey Bart's going to be in the mix. We know that he'll probably start the season in Triple A, but eventually he's going to be in that tandem with Buster Posey. But Ramos is the guy who they're looking for. To make major strides. I'd say, probably double a triple A first half of the season. They have to add him. The 40 Man roster by the end of this winter, anyway, so you might as well take a look at him at the end of the year, particularly with the power production. He can give you to see if he can still be that premium center field prospect that they were hoping for when they first drafted him back in 2017. And so I think that hopes were pinned high on Ramos right now. We're talking Giants with Terry Crowley, who covers the Giants for the Bay Area News Group, a group led by the San Jose Mercury News. Carrie is joining us on the Omagh guess line. Do you think the Giants are going to out of necessity have to spend Portion of the beginning of the season..
KNBR The Sports Leader
"trevor cahill" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"So I think you're looking at at least one more picture of note and really, I would go out and get two more guys. Whether the second guy is like a Trevor Cahill type. You confide in the bullpen. I don't know, but I think they need two more guys there and You know the other market that that's out there. They have added to their Bolton, and they feel pretty good about where they're at. But they're just so many relief pitchers still out there and and so many guys who have had success in the big leagues who had success last season Who are out there that I think they're probably gonna be able to scoop two or three of these guys up for, you know, a million a million and a half on a nonroster deals before spring training starts. Perhaps obviously the big news and not just baseball, I think in the entire sports world right now is the Hall of Fame vote yesterday, and we're not surprised that No one got in. But we are a little bit surprised that very bond stood not have a bigger jump from the previous year, and he still a ways away. It's 61.8% for him. What do you take? What is your take on the numbers from this year and then you are going to be a Hall of Fame voter for the first time next year. Will you vote for bonds? And And how does how does he jump up from 61.8 to 70? 5% fabs in his last plate appearance. Yeah. I mean, he'll get one vote for me. So that will help him make that whatever it off the list, Okay? Yeah, That'll be one. That to me is a no brainer. You know, but I think for him, Yeah, you mentioned it wasn't a big jump. It was about 1% that he getting this time, and he's kind of steadily been two or 3%. Over the last four or five years, So this was not great. You know, there are two things that could help him. One is It's a tow last year on the ballot. Sometimes these guys get a bump. I mean, maybe there are people who have held this against him for nine years and ultimately feel like, you know, he deserves to be in the whole thing, but they don't deserve to be in the whole thing. Early on, didn't deserve the first ballot guy or second ballot guys. So maybe there are a few people there. Hey, will get a few votes just first time voters and not just myself. But you know the first time voters that made their ballots public before this. I think he was on eight of nine. So He continues to get support from younger voters and first time voters and then the really big thing next year. It's just gonna be the ballot as a whole, because Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz air going to be on it for the first time in Rodriguez, obviously, I mean, he Huge steroid issues. Ortiz less so, but he does have some connection there. A twist to Ah suppose it positive test, So I think it's going to be a year where a lot of baseball writers who have to sit back and really re evaluate whether they believe that the whole family is gonna The way it's been or whether you just, you know, make it a museum and just say some of these guys did steroids. Some of these guys got caught, but it's a museum. They have to be in and that to me is gonna be the biggest factor to him. You know, I can't imagine. Maybe this will happen. I mean, I wouldn't put anything past some of these writers, but you can't fill out about it. I don't think and checked in Alex Rodriguez there, David Ortiz, and then not also put a check Mark. Extra Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens so he might get some support there. I think next year he'll see it kind of a significant uptick, but He's just so far away. 14% is a lot to make up in that final year. Susan Social told us yesterday from the Chronicle that she thought that with a Z, you just said some of the old guard is leaving. Some a new guard is coming in. Maybe that's being that was before we saw what his total was because early look good. And then for some reason that I'm not aware of Guess it's the old guard comes in late with the votes and then then it drops. So do you think with it? Will there be enough change to where he could make this jump? Are there some people sitting there saying, OK, I'll put him in. But it will be the 10th time. And then if he doesn't make it next year, you've got that 16 Man panel that a lot of veterans on that on that one and they've basically said steadfastly that they're not going to put him in. Yeah, it's tough. You know what I think it's he's gonna need to get like 2% from the new voters like two or 3% from people who change your mind because it's his 10th year and then really make up the rest just from people who look at the whole palette. Um, I'm not optimistic. I haven't been really for the last couple of years. Just when you saw Across 50% in 2017 and has only gone up, You know, 8% Since then, he was a 53% in 2017, so he really has not made up enough ground and you know there's been other things that have happened over time. They did start to purge a lot of voters and that helped him a little bit, but not as much. It isn't needed to And there was the stuff with but feeling and him getting support. That didn't help him as much as it needed to either. So I just think it's too far away. At this point. I think it's huge shame. And, you know, quite frankly, you look at those 401 ballots, and there's a lot of people there who I don't. To be honest. Don't think they deserve a vote. I mean, people who haven't covered the game for a long time. People who Who haven't regularly been in the ballpark for for a couple of decades, and those people are are being purged a little bit from the ballot in from voting, But it takes a while and I think you're just gonna run out of time. I'm not sure how I feel about the 14 blank ballots. I understand partly why you do it, But you got to take the process more more seriously there, But there's an argument to make both sides. So Omar Vizquel, some of the other giants, Omar's at 49.1%, the domestic violence Thought what dropping more than it did, And it happened before you know, people voted. It's because some people may have voted earlier. I'm not sure how does that impact him? Long term, Jeff can't at 32.4% of the first timers. Good to see. How do you get the 5.2 to stay on the ballot, but obviously very Zito padded straps off. Yeah, Just one vote. Proceed. Oh, honey made it by one vote. He got 21 votes and you know, 20 would have put him right below 5%. So I was really happy about that, and not that I think he will make the whole thing But to me, it's important sometimes to keep these guys on the ballot, and that's gonna be An emphasis for me next year Looking at. I mean, somebody like Tim Lincecum is on the ballot next year, and you think right off the bat, like you know, didn't do enough. But I think it's gonna be important to let some of these guys stay on the ballot is is we, you know, evaluate. This generation. I mean, Hudson is is way up there. In terms of wins, He has a low we are a It's just a resume that I think we're not really going to see any more. And we're gonna have to reevaluate over the next 5 10 years because the traditional metrics that people have used I mean, 300 wants 200 wins. People aren't even the beginning to 1 50 anymore, for the most part, so It's a guy that I was happy they stayed on because I think you know, for a couple years. It'll be an interesting conversation. He won't get in. But, um, you know, definitely deserve to stay on for a couple years and have people talk about what a great career.