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The Lightning Round Podcast #194: Addressing Anthony Lynns comments

Bolts from the Blue

35:35 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #194: Addressing Anthony Lynns comments

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan I do you are this is the lightning round podcasts with your host. Garrett's the N. Jamie Hoyle Charges Go. This is the lightning Rod podcast. I am at Garissa St James at lightning underscore around and we'll get into some things things today a lot to talk about including some Anthony Lynne's comments earlier this week but first. Let's acknowledge a big time donation. Yes okay very generous donation from a longtime listener a longtime benefactor Mr Vargas Caribbean who's gave a very nice donation and said sorry about the laps APPs. Keep up the great work. No matter how frustrating or irritating the chargers play your coverage and insight help us get through things like watching our team's offense play okay ten eleven when Travis Benjamin is on the field. Thanks once again yeah I don't. I don't like those drinking's right. Thanks man. That was a really nice donation. We appreciate you continuing to support US and donating. Thank you everybody a lot of great words from last week's podcast we. We had a lot of fun doing it this week. Maybe not so much goes but you know we're not going to do a big recap this week. We decided to do something a little bit different. We usually do the three storylines but it's this lost to the Texans was a lot of the same we mentioned on the podcast. It's a lot of self inflicted wounds. It happened again. It happened against Detroit and now it happened at home against the taxes. Yeah kind of death by thousand cuts a lot of small mistakes wchs ending up being big mistakes at the end of the day because you just can't dig yourself out of the hole that you've or I guess you can't climb out the whole you doug for yourself. Midway Midway through the game you know the chargers led that game for I think thirty eight minutes of game time actual clock time at sixty minutes and still found a way to lose it which is pretty pretty astonishing considering how good they looked at times in the first half but why did the same problems offense of line not protecting of defense offense giving up big plays at inopportune times stupid penalties a blown coverages you know questionable coaching decisions kind of ran the gamut in terms of finding different ways to lose and last year. We talked a lot about this team. Finding ways to win and now we seem to be back to the old ways of finding figuring out how finding new ways to lose every week which is not real encouraging yeah just last year started to but you know it was it was a lot like the week before another touchdown by Justin Jackson call back on a holding penalty by Dan Feeney. There was a desk king penalty on an interception reception from Racial Jacobson's. That got erased again. The team storms ahead early goes away from their initial game plan the goddamn their our fall behind late in an AB- losing pass rush. Wasn't there again this week in fact I've read Watson only face thirteen point nine percent a pressure during his dropbacks which was lowest in his career which is insane to think about because that offensive line is not good in the fact that they gave to Shawn Watson time very good quarterback time to operate back there was not good and of course you know there's a lot of coaching decisions like you mentioned some screwy player rotations we should probably get into because after this whole game. Anthony Lynn had some very interesting comments when he addressed the media interesting puzzling doing a lot of different ways to describe his comments but let's talk about it because there was a lot to go off of a first time racial Jenkins Lind said when he was asked about J. Gins. You got a guy who's playing at an early level at free safety. You don't WanNa make moves in regards. I think we're looking at rendre. teamer being are strong safety. What do you think about those comments from Lynn. I think he's wrong. I think he was in that particular question he was asked about moving Jenkins to strong safety and he responds with the nonsense about him playing at an at an elite level which I think anybody who watches these games can see. He's clearly not playing at an elite level granted. He did have an interception taken off the board on Phantom Phantom facemask penalty in the fourth quarter of that game look like they called does king for trying to grab the face math more so than actually grabbing it but we'll let that slide for now Jenkins is taking bad angles. He's laid on coverage. he's giving up big plays behind him. just not covering the ground that he needs to cover. Maybe not able to cover the ground that he needs to cover on the back end and clearly in my opinion much better suited to play strong safety. The coaches seem committed to letting him play things out at free safety for now you know. I I've heard people say well. Obviously this says coach speak. He doesn't obviously mean he's elite player fine but there are different ways that you can go about sending the message that you think he's playing well or you think he's doing in good things or you're not quite ready to move him yet. All of those would be acceptable things to say but to come out and say that you think he's playing at an elite level right now. How is just it's laughable because anybody. WHO's watching this game can see that he's not so frustrating to hear them say that they think that they think Jenkins is playing in an elite level level frustrating to hear them say that they're not in a rush to get out early on the field. also very frustrating to hear them say that they think teamer they're looking at teamer as strong safety right now because he did not play well at all on Sunday and it's pretty clear he does not belong on the field on defense unless it's maybe as a sixth defensive back he's really it should be on the field for specialties only right now. He does not belong out there and that's not to say he can't become a good football player. He can't become a good. NFL safety but right now he is not not a good nfl safety and he clearly is not the best option on that roster. You know you're looking at Jenkins. You look at a guy like Jaylen Watkins both of whom are better suited replaying free safety strong safety. Excuse me both better suited to play in that position than teamer are so teamer is so you know kind of a puzzling statement again overstating how evaluate player and just leaving the rest of US confused as usual yeah and Yeah I saw a lot of the comments about hey man he's just sticking his players and that's coach speak but I mean even like last year when he was saying that Jalil was one of the smartest players he's ever coached coached one of the smartest players on the field something like that something to that effect and that's not saying he's any good. That's you're saying that he he likes his smarts on the field. I mean there's other ways to go about it. elite level is is not something to describe. Jenkins in the least but when you're talking about the commodore at the kind of rubs me the wrong way. You don't WanNa make to moves. It's psyche yeah. You do like the question. He kind of pose the question like what do you WanNa. Do make make to move yeah. You make moves. You GotTa Make Your Team Better Roger. Teamer was the worst player on defense and both key Jenkins run the ugly side of a lot of plays. I guess the Texans played on offense. If you have to make a wholesale change to improve your team you do it. I don't I don't get what the question is. In fact racial Jenkins is more suited to play strong Frans safety like you mentioned over free safety because racial. Jenkins like you talked about was leading a lot of stuff behind him. He's terrible tackler in space. He can't cover enough ground around on the back end. He's much better quarters arranging the middle of the field. Obviously you want a guy like Adrian Phillips or a guy like German Jane's but at the moment with a guy like pinky is much better suited clothesline scrimmage than he is on an island back there playing Centerfield who are the biggest impact of any charges player in the preseason only needed one game of action to do. It should be the chargers free safety. I mean that's why they drafted him. They drafted him high. They were talking about even trading up in the second around against they wanted him so bad. Put your best players on the field. That's what you're supposed to do. I mean I just don't understand how Adderley if he's that far behind because Lynn says that you know Adderley was injured and he's he's pretty far behind. What is Roger Teamer then. If utterly is far behind Roger Teamer is locks and he's not even on the same planet so you know if there was ever time to start making a wholesale change where it's like switching racial Jenkins a a strong safety and throwing somebody else back there whether it's Jalen Watkins or sincere adderley. It's gotta be the next couple of weeks because they play three teams who have not won a game back to back to back they. They play Miami Denver Pittsburgh. They play the titans with one win. I mean if you want to start getting some chemistry together and start to get some some experience at kind of a lows Kasey some confidence in building team unity back there on the back end some chemistry yeah yeah exactly. This is the closest you're. GonNa come to a preseason action in the regular season with these three teams. They are bad denver. I mean Denver's bad but Miami is taking. They're not wanting to win anyway. Why not next week roll out a guy like theoretically I mean at the very least mixing and matching with Naza Jenkins and teamer and see what works best. There's gotta be something where you start to make some changes because when you talk about like Jenkins bean elite I just it is so hollow because outside of that interception against the Lions and he made a good point on the ball against Sir Deshaun Watson is play they got negated but both players were just kind of really bad decisions about the quarterback but at least he made a play but he has been a tackling machine. He's a liability and coverage. He's not even close to being elite so I mean I don't even understand the comments. I don't get why he doesn't WanNa. Make this move. We can get into and all that and a little bit because we've got a lot of other things to talk about but he is not elite. I mean ranging is is like the mustard condiments he kind of wishes. He was like a ranch like there is no there's nothing he lied about racial at all. No there's definitely nothing illegal about Rashawn Jenkins and and to your point about making moves you know this is the argument. They had all your last year with forest lamp. Was We have so much chemistry on the offensive line. We don't want to moving people around well if you had such chemistry on the offensive line why was it a bottom five offensive line last year and if there's so much chemistry in the secondary why did you get torched for three hundred forty yards or whatever it was by by. Shawn Watson and why couldn't teamer and Jenkins make any place in the back end the one play they made was taken off the board by penalty so neither one of these guys can be relied on. I'd much rather see Jenkins at the line of scrimmage defending tight ends which by the away is a problem because now we're seeing how valuable Phillips and Derwin were against tight ends all of a sudden you see guys like at kits. Atkins thousands and I forget the other Texans Titans names but these guys are making plays where they haven't all season now. You're seeing that value in how good guys guys like. Derwin and Phillips are against the tight end where all of a sudden these no name tight ends are popping up. It's time to make a move. They can't continue to roll these guys out here and think that better things are just going to happen. They're just GONNA suddenly. Gel put Jenkins in a position. He's better suited to playing get out early on the field or at the very least if you're not ready to do that maybe kicked as king outside haven't played corner put. Adderley in the Slot Bring Watkins into play free safety rotate Jenkins down to strong safety fifty so you feel you fix three problems all at once instead of just to I mean there's a there's a variety of ways you can do this and get better players on the field team or does not belong long on the field and Jenkins does not belong free safety in it's really that simple right and we can bitch and Moan here for the next hour but at least we'll definitely can yeah but at the very least coming up with some solutions you know you're talking about mixing matching. Maybe put in the slot. I mean at the very least we're both talking about putting racial. Jenkins closer landed scrimmage letting man the middle let them take care of everything in front of them and not having to open area that he just can't do I mean he just can't work silent silent. It's so apparent three games in the third game. It didn't hurt him as much as it did. The first two were won miss tackle racial Jenkins and the touchdown avenue in both the first two games he still was on some bad ends of some big plays on Sunday the tax and so maybe the tackling didn't show up as much there. Were still some but didn't show up as as much but you've got some solutions put nate necessarily back their free safety. Put them in the slot. Let somebody wrong. Let Shane Ray. Sean Jenkins played strong safety. Let's talk about some results because none of these are working. No they're not and you can't. You can't keep face on on the field. You just can't rely on him. You can't keep team around the field. Uh and you've got Jenkins. Playing position just seems like an easy fix to me but it seems like they're gonNA ride or die with this decision. They've made with team or Jenkins and yeah. I guess we're GONNA see how that works out. So next up is Travis Benjamin and of course he had that absolute dreadful play on that depot in the end zone the hit him in the hands and then he yeah that screen they took backward for for law seven and Lin said about Travis Benjamin. He praised his speed so the chargers need to figure out how to get him the ball more dr he but he added the time. We have targeted him. I need to see a little bit more consistency. Jesus Christ you missed the best part of that quote by the way the the best ones that he said the ball more no he finished the quote by saying but he's a wide receiver catching the ball is kind of an important part of his job right Yup yeah and so seeing that that drop at the end of the game man I mean was that the last Straw Travis Benjamin or what I mean it was the last last draw for me a long time ago but I know I know but once you see that in a time where they absolutely needed it because it feels like that game where he was was it the Kansas City down he bought himself a couple more games and we were okay with them for a little bit but Jesus Christ man that drop in the end zone which is awful and of course you know this more coachspeak. He's doesn't want to throw his his players under the bus. You Kinda hasn't underhanded jab atom a little bit about catching from the ball and that he needs to be more consistent stuff but I just I don't get the doubling down and saying hey we gotta get the ball more. Yes praises speed. I get it man but the sentence there period move onto the next question not the Oh he's a really great player really good speed and we've got to give them the Baltimore. What are you talking think about. He's got four catches on ten targets. He's got seventeen yards total. He's second in the league on highest drop percentage with thirty percent. I mean Jesus Christ. This is awful and linen going later and saying we're in terms of the wide receiver group. We're wanting to right now. We need everybody in that receiving group to step up and make plays he's not just Keenan as they step up. We will spread the ball around and again. I spread it around fine but one two is right. It's Mike Williams and Keenan Allen and then everybody else can take take away far backseat. Yeah I mean I I get where he's coming from on on that last quote you read about people stepping up and making plays that definitely has to happen. You gotta get something out of Inman then. I guess you have to get something out of Benjamin as much as I don't want to. Give him the ball. He's on the roster so you might as well try to get your money's worth somehow. maybe get patent on the roster. I can make some plays. They need somebody other than keen to step up because at some point it's going to cost them being so what being so one dimensional in terms of passing the ball so much all of a sudden and and then being one dimensional in terms of who you're trying to throw the ball to on every play it's. GonNa make them predictable. It's GONNA lead turnovers. It's going to lead to a lot of frustration and it's not going to be pretty so these guys have to start stepping up. I think we saw a little bit of that for Mike Williams although he still trying to track the ball against his body too much he's still dropping too to many passes got to see him. Come down with more balls when he has a chance to and in terms of I mean in terms of Travis Benjamin I'm done. I was done a long time ago. I'm done talking about. How fast is you can talk about? How we can take the top off defense. All you want but you can only take top off defense. If you can catch the God damn football yeah. He can't catch the football. He's establish that we've all seen that and then he drops it. He's going to grab his hip and become like he's hurt. Oh Oh fuck off fuck you because every time I used to go to the yard and play basketball at the park. There's always that dude who had missed a dunk or or airball three and then he'd like either pointed to go. Oh man that the pass was bad or white shoes like oh man. I was slipping slipping a little bit. Don't fake an injury. You missed a wide open past issue in the hands and nobody hits you at all touched on your hip. Nobody touched him yeah. Yeah I had a buddy in college. He's in high school who used to do the same thing he was. The fastest guy on the field and everybody knew he was the fastest guy on the field but he was constantly grabbing at a shoulder older grabbing it a hamstring grabbing a knee he'd make a catch. He come up hobbling. He was always hurt because he was always looking for that. Extra like mental advantage pige even though ev nobody could cover them. Nobody could run with him but there was always a little you know. He always wanted us to beg him to play. He always wanted us to make sure he was okay for the next play and Travis right there except this guy could play and Travis Travis also and that's funny you brought that up because I've got a friend like it or in my early twenties when we were drinking go out to the golf course and just get shit house and my friend who was really good golf would be drunk and not so good at golf and he would hook it in the trees in the first thing would be awesome driver to it and it's that God or no or maybe all your senses aren't quite right and maybe you're a little bit of abbreviated and maybe not even see straight. Maybe he thought that was straight. Yeah man and Travis Benjamin I couldn't I can't believe him because it's like every now every time he gets the ball it equals some kind of negative result and as soon as the and it's almost like boy Jamie me it's almost like as if they needed to draft the wide receiver if they lost zero Williams and not dependent Benjamin become an NFL wetter seaver who's been saying they needed to draft wide receivers for the last few years and and develop guys instead of always relying on UDF as at the wide receiver running back who said that who who who's who's been saying. I told you so's and this is annoying. Shit listened to but I don't give a shit rolling out who were the two motherfuckers talkers who said Travis Benjamin was a terrible free agent signing yeah that was signed a wide receiver and he was almost guaranteed to be overpaid and would not produce who was that that was us that was I don't care how many articles Kyle Posey wrote about how good times bedroom is going to be. We never came off of it. Nope we we never came off of it and who's been saying to draft a corner for the last three years. To what else can you know what let me run. Let me run some things by I'm working. I'm workshop and some names for Travis. Benjamin were tell me what your favorite one is. Okay Travis Benjamin Travis ho-hum Benjamin Timid Benjamin Dan or Travis Benja run in the wrong direction. Which one do you like best. I guess if I had to pick one of those probably Travis Benjamin them okay so what about what about Travis Benjamin in first of all mine was Thomas Davis. We can abuse that Travis Benjamin Oh God crazy so anyway moving on past Travis Benjamin and onto the offensive line because he was also asked about four slammed because obviously the offensive line isn't holding up that good through three weeks so far so what Lynn said about forest land said the chargers are going to stick with the same starting five offensive linemen but he did say four slam could see some more time moving forward which God sounds really familiar from all the way through the preseason Yep and he even said before the season started that they were going to try to get lamp on the field and they really haven't done that except for as this athletic linemen tight end extra blocker. They've been using him as an jumbo packages. I at this point. I decided they don't have a plan for for lamp. They don't have a plan for him. Something happened between when he was killing it and training camp in two thousand seventeen and and and now to the point that they just aren't going to use them. I don't know if he Bangladesh wife or band was his wife or has you know I I don't know I don't know what the problem is but they have no plans for him. Whatsoever and I wish they'd just come out and say you know what he's not what we thought what we thought he was. He's not going to see the field because you can't convince me after watching the preseason that he is not one of the two best if not the best guard on this team he was hands down the best interior interior linemen that played throughout the preseason. He got the best offensive Lineman you guys ban that best offensive lineman forget interior all across the line. Yes that's true best offensive lineman throughout the preseason he got better with every game with every snap to the point that he was basically dominated in the line of scrimmage in the fourth game of the preseason and they were running behind him can consistently with a ton of success and now we get here and we see scofield chasing guys from behind Dan Feeney can't get a hand on DJ reader they they can't they can't block anybody and yet lamp can't find the field so let's see it's probably safe to assume at this point that they something is wrong. They don't trust him. They don't want on the field. They don't have a plan for him and we're probably not gonNA see him unless it's in these jumbo packages three or four times a game just to get just to get his feet wet. It just doesn't seem like there's any intention to get him on the field and I don't get for a guy who like with necessarily not only did they draft him in the second round but they were trying to trade up to get him in the first round. They talked about taking him in the first round of that draft afternoon trading back to take him and now he can't see the field I but behind this offensive line he can't he can't see the field ahead of Michael Scofield at this point is that's baffling to me right if he was a senator and he was buying a guy like Mike Pouncey you can make a case for that that he can't see the field 'cause my like penalties far and away better offensive lineman but the question really becomes forced lamp a better offensive lineman than what you currently have in your starting lineup and when when we watch the preseason which had all the starters except Mike Pouncey he was the best offensive lineman period among the tackles centers guards everybody from first to third-string Fini had an outstanding game a game to in Detroit. He was bad again against the Texans. He struggled game. One Michael Scofield had his best game. This season verse Houston Thin but still is not all that good the issue. We're having here that starting to get really starting to annoy me a little bit more now that we're getting into this another a year of Anthony Lens tenure is just seems like this coaching staff is so stuck on keeping whatever their lineup choices are in sticking with it throughout the season the rotations will change sometimes they'll rotate guys in and out like we kind of saw with Corey Lee and dairies Filon sometimes filon. We'll get more snaps leauge it but the always go with the guys they put their when they start the season unless they get injured if they can't play anymore then they'll stick them in because they have to but when players struggling. Colella di did last year. They did not give anybody else. Another opportunity a free safety they just cut him after the season knowing that he's not good enough to play free safety. They cut them but rather than making a change in the season to help improve the team. They stuck with the die. The team could have replaced heavy with how bad he stunk last year but they were just just like nope. We're going to keep he's the right. Tackle never made any moves same with Travis. Benjamin like we talked about earlier. I just can't think of a time in and I don't WanNa the sound off. I don't want to sound condescending because I really don't know an example of this but win has Anthony Lynn ever scratched a healthy player and benched him because of bad play not because he's injured injured but just said he's not good enough right now. We need to get somebody else in. I can't think of a time the only thing I can think of the he hasn't scratched them but the best examples are probably the way he's reduced the roles of Travis Benjamin and Corey leauge it over the last few years he did that with Jerry. Tachi was well his first year. He basically came out and training camp and said yeah he's healthy. But how long is he. GonNa stay healthy and they did. He was a healthy scratch for most of the season. I feel like they did that with corey tumor as well before they let him walk as a free agent where he just wasn't good enough to be on the field and we're all clamoring for him to be on the field and they kept trying other people in those positions positions because they just didn't trust him yeah. It just seems like and that's that seems like a lot of death players. I just don't know any like real high in starters. They're going to open the season with the same old line. They're going to have Thomas Davis. They're gonNA have racial Jenkins playing free safety and while all these issues start to pile up the comments. Just keep coming. We're sticking with their starting lineup and I understand you. Don't want to give up on your guys. You want to give them confidence but what is GonNa make your football team better. I think that's where Anti Lynne's doing a disservice to this team is Thomas Davis really better than Kaiser. White or drew tranquil today is race. Jenkins better free safe through the necessarily is Michael School feel burnt forest lamp these questions that already have answers but they're not making the moves. They won't make those changes the imprint the starting lineup so I don't I I don't know when enough is enough with this regime and they just go listen. Scofield sucks he's old. We've got to replace him anyway. We drafted for a slam. We we put all this draft capital in him. We were really high hand the draft. Why can't we get him some actual playing time during the season they will not do it. I don't know when they make that move yeah. Why can't we figure out what we have. What point do we do. We try to actually see on the field what we have enforced lamp or what we have in and this year. Adderley or whatever Kaiser drew tranquil tranquil is a rookie. I get that but Kaiser right I thought was playing pretty well and he he seems to me he's earned the right to be on the field at this point as something more than you know playing seven snaps game and he's definitely a better athlete and a better football player. Thomas Davis Right now so I mean I think you make a fair point. It's kind of feeling like that thing that we always hated about the Mike Acquire. which was they had their veterans teran's? They stuck with their veterans. They'd ride they ride or die with the veterans and there was just no changing their minds period ever and it seems like I don't know well if that's a front office thing. If that's coaching thing it seemed like they were getting away from that early in inlands tenure and now it seems like they're falling back into those same habits of hey this is. This is our offensive line. Were not. We're not looking at changing anything. We're you know this is our linebacking core. This is the way we envisioned it going into the season. This is what we're going to stick with yeah. It's frustrating you know we both were very excited about Lynn early in the tenure and now you see these questionable personnel decisions and it kind of makes you wonder where this team is headed long-term because they're just not willing to improve the status. Quo Is fine as long as people think they're a good football all team and they're competitive and they can win nine to twelve games a year. They're cool with that and they're not really motivated to make changes is to get better and that they're the whole offseason was about status. Quo Maintaining status quo maintaining just maintain that was what the whole offseason it was about so it's definitely frustrating. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts pro behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening. Listen to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says here in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything uncooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the biggest early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts outcasts or in your favorite podcast APP yeah. That's and that's what we're talking about. Last week. They tell us goes just always kept them good enough but never quite push them mm over the edge and you know things could change. Lynn and you could start. He could start making some real personnel changes but you know it's three games into the season. the chargers orders are one and two It's not the end of the world. They get real soft schedule for the next four games. this would be a real opportune time to make some of those changes and see what you having having some of these guys but yeah. I mean it is kind of a veterans earned tenure and they're gonNA play you know they're not the Denzel permits old so you've got these younger guys who flash more athleticism and in that quote unquote upside which not a word I particularly love but with Kaiser White Andrew Tranquilli. They're going with over the Hill Thomas Davis and running Denzel Perryman back out there and they're gonNA run Michael Scofield out at right guard when you know he's not a longterm option there anyway instead of going with the guy that drafted in the second round and you know. They're not checking out what they have in in you know I get it. He's a rookie and you know I'm. I'm not jumping off any bridges or I'm not doing pitchforks and torches quite yet but there's something to keep an eye on is all. I'm saying it doesn't seem like they're willing to make any moves unless they have to. Somebody gets injured. somebody isn't on the team anymore. They'll make that move. You'll die. Corey Leach at they'll. They'll draft a guy like Jerry tillery and they'll bring in Sierra Leone. They'll do all those things but in terms of on the field they're kind of just stuck in their ways. It seems like right now yeah. I don't know if they just I want to see what they can get out of the guys they pictured starting at the beginning at the beginning of training camp and see if they can turn things around but I feel like for sure we know what we have. Kevin Michael Scofield and we know like you said he's not a long-term answer. That's the one spot. That's the one spot that's the most frustrating to me and I would say what they're doing when he's not any good said he's not. He's not any good that we keep coming back. Michael Scofield sucks. We mentioned that yeah. He's ban so yeah. Hopefully some of the stuff turns itself around and like you said we're not jumping off bridges. We're not panicking when we're not saying they're going to have a you you know five and eleven season or draft in the top ten or it's time to start tanking. Nothing like that still think. This is a good football team. I still think they can and will win in games and it's entirely likely they could wind up five and two after these next four games so it's not time to panic yet but there are definitely Bentley some decisions that are baffling and they're definitely some things that are worth monitoring for sure and hopefully we get some more answers as we proceed through the season and maybe we do start seeing being more of a forest lamp weren't necessarily certainly seemed like last week would have been a good chance to have adderley. Maybe even play a dime linebacker role to help contain contain what Deshaun Watson and cover some ground in that underneath zone but they didn't they didn't pull the trigger on that for whatever reason yeah and Lynn did say he's going to try to get him in more and they might see him as another defensive backfield so that's promising we'll see if it ends up happening and of course you know we've been talking about Melvin Alvin Gordon through the season and it's game three and still don't Miss Melvin Gordon running back corps is doing just fine with that one two punch of Awesome Justin Jackson. They're doing just fine. The only complaint that I would have is that they're not using them enough. Exactly you know I mentioned earlier. They they lead that game on Sunday for thirty eight or thirty nine minutes something like that and still they threw the ball fifty three times in that game and it felt like after the first half they were playing the Texans game at the Texans Pace and they were they were letting the Texans dictate the flow of that game and how they reacted to what was going on and and they put rivers in jeopardy behind a terrible offensive line fifty three times and he took a pounding and I'll just say that I mean I know I've been critical over time. I want to say that that games like that really heightened your appreciation of him because that guy is he's frigging bionic or something. I I don't know how he's still standing. I don't know how he's going to practice week because he took a beating their replays where there were three or four guys hitting at once like it was hard to figure out who is getting the sack the quarterback cam because there were so many guys hitting at once it was like jailbreak jailbreak blitzes with four with four down linemen it was just ridiculous so and they all had ninety nine involved in it yeah they pretty much always in the mix yet so I mean it was he's one tough son of a bitch and he deserves credit for being able to be as tough and reliable and durable as he has been and. Let's just hope knock on wood. Let's just hope that line doesn't get him killed because that that was scary on Sunday and I think that's a great way to end it. Let's all appreciate Philip Rivers. They might be wanted to but God damn. He is a warrior. I am at Garissa. Stay on twitter Jamie at lightning underscore around and we will see you next time. Thanks everybody UH.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #183: Training Camp Battles - Part 1

Bolts from the Blue

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The Lightning Round Podcast #183: Training Camp Battles - Part 1

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem fueled adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable vaulters each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at borderlands dot com. On like a mold. This is a lightning round podcast with your host Garrett sixty and Jamie voile charge. Sco. After a long layoff, lightning round podcast is back. I am gear. Sixty same on Twitter Jamie's at lightning underscore around. We are previewing position groups today as we inch closer training camp. We're going to be talking about quarterbacks running backs tight ends wonder Cevers fullbacks all of them, and we're gonna talk about those position groups today. But before we get into donations before we get into question before we get into the previewing a position groups, we've got a small announcement. So some of you have been asking over the last couple of months, what's going on with the app. You've noticed that the, the podcast is bad previous shows have dropped from the app and you've been asking, we're gonna when it's going to be back up and what's going on? Unfortunately, the answer is the app will not be back up. And as much as we enjoyed using it for content, and for, for communicating with all of you and interacting with everybody. Unfortunately, we've just reached the point where it's really no longer as useful as we thought it would be. We just kind of decided that with the new channel that we're on with the podcast that we really didn't need the app, any more, and that there are enough places to get that. It was time to kind of discontinue that and move on without it. So no more up. 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And if you want to Email us, if you don't have any of those near going, dark, and social media, you can Email us. It's lightning round at outlook dot com. That if you wanna Email us a question, but you can still get a hold of us. You can still reach us just moving in a different direction now and the app should be down soon. So let's go ahead and get into the donations now because there are some nice guys who left donations force while we were gone. But while we were gone on this long layoff, we got a couple donations. So the first donation is from marketer, again like we like to say our greatest benefactors. Thank you, Marcus for the repeat kindness. We appreciate it. Yep. William Boyce has also name recognized. So thank you very much, Marcus. And thank you willing. Liam for the donations while we were away. We got a question as well. And I'll read that and then we'll get into this position group preview. It says what's fellows? My name is Manny. Yes. The same Manny that was that SCSU graduation ceremony last year one to apologize for number spawning to the shoutout. Garrett sent me almost a year ago. It was much appreciated and just no I've been listening to each episode. Nobody remembers a year ago, I met this guy SCSU and shot on the podcast because he's a nice guy. So that was very inside. But anyway, he goes on to say, I just wanna stop by and say, thank you for the podcast. I'm a big fan. I love the dynamic you both bring to the show. I've won music question for Garrett which I know Jamie's going to hate. He didn't write that. What are your top three albums in the last year? Also one fun question for the both of you. Would you guys ever be out for doing drunk show? Just refund the idea of hearing Jamie with no filter sounds like it would be a lot of fun. Thanks for the time. Manny, so Jamie, what do you feel about doing a drunk podcast? Well, it sounds like he's not familiar with our, our uncensored podcast, which we did a while ago and may still be one of our most popular podcasts on side of the draft stuff. We still get requests for it all the time, and it can be fun. And. Pathetic under the right circumstances. But I think show like that needs to have really good reason for it. So hopefully we. Well, we didn't have a lot of reason for it last season. Because the team was good. So we didn't have much reason to lay into the team and take the filters off and take the gloves off, so to speak. But if we get our good reason for this year. Maybe we can revisit it because I think the center was fun, the first time we did it. We did a follow up, and it wasn't quite as fun. That was a little bit forced. But maybe, maybe under the right circumstances. It can be good again. Yeah. The uncensored podcast for fun because it was during the Mike McCarthy era. And it was just a terrible season. It was the same in game stakes. We can week out. It was terrible and management, Mike McCoy was stifling, the offense and bringing his team down, and it was kind of fun to just unload. And then Anthea incomes comes on, and it's just been okay and team is actually now good. So we don't want to be contrived and force it to. Much. So the uncensored podcasts even though everybody's requesting it after a bad loss. It's, it's not warranted. Unless things really, really go downhill, let's hope that doesn't happen. But a drunk podcasts sounds like a happy medium. You know, not having to force the anger, but being a little bit unfiltered, with a couple of drinks under the right circumstances. Why not? But I like the idea. Yeah, it could be fun. I think the only game we've really had that would have justified that recently would have been the loss to the patriots in the playoffs. Yeah. Kind of like a drunk rewatch kind of thing. Or something along those lines. But yeah, it could be. It could be a good, good way to kind of break up the I don't know. I don't know. The repetitive to the show, sometimes it can be fun. Yeah. And especially because we didn't do a podcast after that because nobody wanted to hear the you know, the analysis of that game because we all watched it and hated it. And didn't want to relive it. Some people actually did wanna hear the analysis that game. And I think they're just glutton for punishment. But there were some people that were disappointed. We didn't do a pod after that they thought we were cheating kind of cutting corners there. But for the most part, nobody wanted to relive that for sure. Yeah. So that's actually something we'll look forward to in the future and something will keep in mind for sure, because that kind of sounds like fun and something, I would definitely enjoy Jamie would too. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Real quick with the commodity. Washington was good. His album, heaven and earth is a really good one. And this is just off top of my head. I thought push t- Daytona and nifty album. I know that sounds like it might be I'm paying here. But Victor was so good much better than Astro world. And Cardi B I. That's deck those two albums up against. Cardi B and Travis Scott, but and then currently lizotte because I love us pretty good. So real quick. Those are some albums that I remember being pretty good. I know I could find better ones. But we gotta move onto these position group. So thanks. Manny preciado it, thanks for writing in good to hear from you. And let's go ahead and get right into it. So today, we covering the charters training camp battles. We're going to review quarterbacks running backs tight ends wide receivers will throw fullbacks in with running backs. Well, this is going to be a series of three or four different podcasts. We'll go on and talk about the offensive line. We'll cover the other side of the football later on to. So look for those a little bit later on. So today we're going to cover just a few groups on offense, and we're gonna start today with quarterbacks. So let's kick it off with these four. They're currently on the roster. It is Philip rivers, tyrod Taylor, the fifth round pick eastern stick, and cartel Jones. And I think you ordered them appropriately. There. You know, obviously rivers and Taylor or gonna make the team, they're paying Taylor. Pretty good amount of money for the next two years to have him, be the backup. And there are some people who think they might even drop some packages for him as time goes on. I think. Ken wasn't hunt recently said that he's got along the playbook for. So it doesn't sound like they're throwing too many wrinkles at right now. They just want him to figure out what the team does normally before they start designing plays for them from there. It's a question of will the team carry three quarterbacks. And if so will they carry fifth round pick east and stick, and Cardo Jones. And I think, you know, coming into the coming into the offseason, before they got to the draft, and before they signed Taylor. I think it was widely assumed that the team was probably going to keep cartel Jones and number two quarterback. And then they bring in two new quarterbacks one ahead of him and one theoretically most likely to compete with him for a roster spot. So it seems likely they're going to keep three not the way I'd like to see them go with Philip rivers as the starter guy who never misses a game, but it does seem likely, and it seems like there's some kind of plan for stick for the future, whether it's as Baz backup or as a potential starter which seems like a stretch to me, but, you know, you never know how. Could develop. So to me, I think you're looking at sticking Jones, battling it out and camp. And just having seen Jones the last two years and having seen stick on tape. I stick while he may not have the arm strength that Jones does I think he has more armed talent in the sense that he has the ability to make more throws. He can throw a touchy Ken's. If it he can throw it downfield. He can throw it underneath. He can hit kind of all levels of the field. So I think that is going to help him and he's mobile, which I think is what they like about cardio Jones. So to me, it seems like the writing on the wall here, they're, they're looking to replace Jones. They've seen him for two years. He hasn't met expectations and they've still kept him around now. They've got a fifth round pick behind him. It seems to me, they'd want to keep that pick and justify making that pick in stick. So I have a hard time I have. That was unintentional, by the way. Did not mean to do that the picking stick, but anyway, accidental wrath lurks. But anyway, it seems unlikely to me that Jones is gonna wind up making the team. And if he does not wind up making the fifty three at this point after two years on the practice squad. What is the point of keeping him? I think he has one year practice squad eligibility left. But if he can't stick on the team this year you've seen him for three three camps. Now he hasn't been able to stick on the roster for full season. Time to cut bait on that experiment and move forward. Yeah. And, you know, if history shows us anything charters, obviously not afraid to carry through quarterbacks. They have and they presumably will again this year. I agree Philip rivers is always will be the starter. They added tyrod Taylor to be the primary backup they drafted east and stick in the fifth round as more the developmental quarterback on the roster. They've talked about that tastes hill role. That's kind of been thrown out there from time to time and those will be your three quarterbacks on the fifty three bearing injury. Going into week, one eastern stick will most. Be the inactive quarterback on game days early on. But as a season rolls on like you mentioned and was talks about learning the playbook a little bit more. You might see him in certain packages on short yardage. Maybe some goal line packages as well. But Carl Jones has the practice squad eligibility. He's a candidate. But I think we all see the ship is just sailed at this point when the charters traded for cartel the price is right. I mean is conditional draft pick, and they were hoping develop more than just the arm strength and it just hasn't happened. It's going to be his third season with the chargers, and he just hasn't made that leap in progression and Colonel Jones makes an easy cut to make so, well, he could be a practice squad candidate keeping four quarterbacks doesn't really make sense. You've got a camp arm if you need it in practice with eastern stick if you're carrying through quarterback. So I think cartel Jones has gone come cuts, and I think, you know, like listed earlier, rivers Taylor stick or the three quarterbacks that are probably. Gonna make the fifty three. Yeah. And I think if you're looking from roster management, kind of roster construction standpoint, you know, if you've got a young guy and stick who you just spent the fifth the fifth round pick on. There's really no reason to keep around twenty six almost Twenty-seven-year-old quarterback who hasn't even ascended to being a fulltime backup yet. I mean you're kind of making your statement that this is probably our future backup, and you might even be making the statement that we hope he can be more than that. So he kind of takes that, you know, lightning in a bottle hopeful developmental role Jones has had the last two years takes third spot. And then it's like well, do we really need to keep a fourth quarterback? Let's just move on and fill that spot with a corner or defensive linemen or something somewhere will ris, have a need where we might actually be able to develop somebody who will see the field sometime in the next three years. Yeah. And I think we all kind of soom this was going to be the case after Gino. Smith beat him out last year. It was going to be that battle for QB to, and Gino Smith. Ran away with it and he's no longer on the team. So that's how much they found you him. They picked up tyrod Taylor, who they think they can win with anyway. So and with eastern stick, there's, there's enough talent there that they can develop him. And there's no real reason to keep cartel Jones, especially on the practice squad. So the next group here is the running backs and we'll add fullbacks into this as well. You've got Melvin Gordon off the neck ler. Justin Jackson Dietrich Newsom. You got Tremaine pope, the running back Jeremy Cox, the doctor free agent and Derek, what the fullback the top four are the guys that were on the roster last year. Mum Gordon off neck, ler. Justin Jackson deters Newsom. That's all going to be your projected running back group heading into the season. Tremaine pope was a guy they signed last December when Melvin Gordon was injured but he's been on enough practice squad throughout his career this far. So he shouldn't be threat to that main for Derek watt, of course, has pencil in is. Lead fullback, charters a caring Jeremy Cox the Old Dominion, running back, who's more of a big power back has athleticism at five eleven to twenty three the team could see Cox as a fullback because he's kind of a bigger guy. He's got the size and power. But I think this is a guy you might look at maybe cracking the practice squad outside of his shuttle cocks tested lead in every other category, and you can't really teach that type of athleticism. So he might be stash knowing that later on, you know, going into next year. Gordon's contract is looming. It's kind of sticking in the back of your mind. Maybe think about keeping extra running back for the future. He's a possible stash. But again, this is another group, that's kind of locked in the quarterbacks the same for that were there last year gore neck, ler Jackson, and Newsome, probably going to be running back group yell for the last two years. We've sat on this podcast and said, we don't think there's an available spot at running back for the last two years. At least one undrafted free agents made the team. So, so I'm kind of kind of tired of being wrong there. So you know what I look at, when I look at this roster is I you know, I think no doubt about it, Gordon actor in Jackson. They're going to make the roster. Yup. Gordon. Obviously being the bell cow Austin being the change of pace slasher guy in the lineup and Jackson being the guy they spent the draft pick on last year. Those guys. I don't think there's any real threat to them. I think with Newsom he's on the roster but he most most of the reason he was on the roster last year was because they were desperate for running backs. I'm not sure that it's wise to carry for running backs on the main roster, I'd rather see three and maybe a fourth on the practice squad, and I think there could be an opportunity for somebody like Cox to make the roster over Newsome, not because I don't like Newsom. But because I don't see how he gets on the field. And I think Cox offers them something that there other three backs doesn't don't really offer in terms of the size and the power back mold somebody who can maybe help. Take some of the beating away from Gordon in a pinch. Maybe some some kind of short yardage role. You mentioned maybe kind of a pseudo, like a like an H back kind of role kind of thing. I don't know that he does make the team. But I wouldn't say going in Detrick Newsome is a lot to make the roster just because he's buried on the death sharp behind three healthy talented running backs and short of really standing out on special teams as coverage guy. I don't know what his path to the roster is I don't know how he really forces the team's hand to carry him. So he you know, he probably has the inside track on a roster spot right now. But I would think that if they're looking for something different something that Ecuadoran Gordon and, and Jackson, don't offer. Cox could be that guy. So, you know, I personally I'd rather see them carry three and stash Cox or Newsom on the practice squad, and keep that extra spot open for a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman or a corner, free places. Where we know they're going to have beads, maybe even a linebacker spot. So that's that's kinda how I'm looking at that spot, especially with the group. We just talked about carrying through quarterback's carrying extra quarterback, and three quarterback's carrying extra. Running back, you gotta make up some space somewhere else, and actually, one of these groups is gonna thin. I understand what you're saying. I just have a hard time believing that if teachers Newsome with what he did last year gets cut that he makes it to the practice. I just don't know if you can sneak them on the practice squad. So I assume they're going to carry for running backs and they end up making one of them inactive being Newsom and with the injury history of Gordon Ecuador being banged up last year to maybe they keep four but I'm assuming they keep for. I think it's it'd be hard to, to get Newsom back on the practice squad. But also you've got three towns of running backs with losing detered Newsom, be the end of the world. Probably not. But in my mind, I think they end up keeping for as of today. Yeah. I mean I could see it going either way. I just feel like if you're committed to carrying three quarterbacks which I think they are at this point then you gotta find that spot somewhere else, and you're definitely going to need, you know, if it's a question between carrying for running backs or carrying ten offense lineman or nine or ten defensive lineman, I would lean towards lines, one of the line spots. So that's an I'm hoping they would too given all the injuries and issues. They've had on on on in the trenches that that's how they would look at it as well. And you might be right. They might they may lose new. I don't you know, they might be able to wait and put him on the practice squad after final cuts made people fill out the rosters. But it's something to think about, they're going to need that depth on the lines at some point. Yeah. To let's goes done that before, too a little sneaky and kept guys on cut him later on the second wave of cuts. Yeah. But also like last year cut a guy like doing Cantrell, who we thought no way, would make the practice squad. Somebody. Snatching up. And nobody did so yeah. That'll be interesting. The running back group is definitely in group to watch going into camp. If Newsome is in or out, because I agree with you think the top three locked between gore neck, learn Jackson. I think Newsome is a guy you can slide into out. We'll see how it goes through camp. So let's go ahead and move on tight ends and the Tynan group are hunter, Henry. Virgil green, Sean Kokin. They picked up Vince male, Andrew Voller, and they've got two hundred free agents, Daniel helm, and Matt socal and mail is a former wide receiver converted to a tight end. He was a wide receiver in college. So this is a spot where you hear a lot of chargers fans. Wondering when the chargers are gonna resign Antonio gates when they're going to bring him in tight end three keep getting that question. Seeing it all over Twitter. I you know, we've been we've been pretty vocal about the point that we think it's time for the team to move on. I think if either one of us had had our way they would have drafted a tight end in day three this year. I think it was a need. I think it maybe not a pressing need, but a good like. A good way to show that you're thinking ahead because there's a lot of there is a lot of need behind Henry Virgil green, whether Gates's, on the roster or not. So, you know. This is this is one of those just like last year. This is a spot where you're going and saying, this is pretty thin behind the top two guys. So Kokin as guy who surprisingly enough. I saw I think it was Bleacher report tend to be the chargers breakout player this year, not their breakout offense a player, but their breakout player of everybody who performed in mini camp this year, which is a little scary. He based on the way the roster's constructed right now, you'd have to think that Kokin probably has at least a slight inside track on the tight end three spot. This is a spot where they've carried four tight ends in the past and given what's behind Henry Virgil green right now wouldn't entirely shock me if they carried four tight ends again just because you don't know what you have back there. You know, I think most of these guys, ultimately are blocking tight ends. Helm socal Voeller I think all these guys are probably better suited to being blocking titans than anything mail. Like I said as a former wide receiver. And I think he's got he's had a few catches in the NFL. So he's a guy you might look at to be a second receiving tight end receiving tight end behind green. I think this is a spot where they get a couple of weeks into camp in there. Probably on the phone with gates. I don't wanna see it. I don't necessarily endorse it. But with what they have on the roster right now despite having a lot of bodies. There is not a lot of quality depth, you know, Gates's, a guy who I mean, I know he's a charger Grady's legend, he's a future hall of Famer arguably the best tight end certainly wanna top five titans of all time. No arguing any of that. We both love him and respect him. But he was the receiving tight end on the roster last year and his numbers went down again, I think, for the third year in a row receptions wanted went down yards were down a little bit. I think and he only had two touchdowns. In spite of the fact that he was only competing with Virgil green for catches at the tight end spot. That is not very encouraging for somebody who you know they're going to bring back into the fold here before too long. So I think he's done. I'd love to see him retire. I hope they stick to their guns and move on. But I don't think they will, I think they're gonna see a need there and they're gonna panic, and they're going to bring him back for nostalgic reasons and he's probably going to underwhelmed again and people wanna bring 'em again. Very bring it back again next year. That's just the way it seems. Go. It's a never ending cycle. It is. So hundred Henry version green locked in the top two tight ends. Same thing that happened last year. Kokin can be thrown tied in three but they didn't bring in anybody in the offseason, not through the draft not through free agency and to be quite honest. Virgil green was supposed to this was going to be his breakout year in two thousand eighteen hundred hundred goes down. This is his time to finally showcases talents. And he proved that he is nothing more than a blocking tight and he should be tied in three in the NFL. He should not be tied into his should be in on rundowns and then be able to slip out and catch a ball or two. But that's about it. Now Kokin obviously, like you mentioned has the inside track should be tied in three of the tight ends. They brought in Vince male, Andrew or the two that have NFL experience male. I went back and watch remember watching him in college. I remember that. I didn't think he was drafted because I don't think it's very good. And he was drafted. He was drafted in the fourth round, by the Browns, but he didn't make their fifty three that year. He's bounce around Cowboys ravens. It's pretty easy to watch his tape because he's only got like a handful of games that he actually played in. Did he had to targets career one and two thousand fifteen one or two thousand seventeen didn't catch either of them? His hands are got off. He's a special teamer, and I do not see Vince mail beating out, Sean Kokin. That's very doubtful. The guy that I am interested in the other guy, Andrew Voeller, Bengals cut him the team actually putting a waiver claim forum so they somewhat covered him because they didn't let him hit the wire. They wanted to pick him up. He was injured. All two dozen eighteen went from the cardinals practice squad to the Bengals he's six five to forty five entering the draft last year. I don't know if he's packed on pounds since then got a pretty good frame, decent route runner at all three levels. It doesn't have much quickness or play strength. But he's interesting because he could be a practice squad guy maybe like a push Kokin. But other than that, the UD. FASt are much to write home about the Duke tight end. Daniel helm, like you mentioned he's probably the most intriguing or the biggest name people were touting his blocking ability watching him at Duke. I didn't think he was all that good. But it pretty good pass catcher a works on traffic has an act for finding spot in the zone. He wasn't draft where the but you know if you work on his blocking maybe get some work on special teams. Maybe another practice squad candidate. But man again there isn't much here in this group, and it is very, very thin. And the chargers did nothing to help themselves out and barring other injury, the chargers are major trouble here. Yeah. I mean, I would agree as if, if somebody gets hurt particularly if Henry gets hurt they're screwed tight end again. So that's why you know, since they didn't make a move in the draft. They didn't make it move a real moving free agency. I think they're just waiting it out, and I would be very surprised if gates does not resign with his team in the third or fourth week of training camp. And. Kind of work his way back in slowly like last year. I you know I think he had a couple of big games against the chiefs last year. Frankly, I think there are probably three or four people listening to this show right now who could have had big big games against the chiefs Saturday. I just don't think that secondary was very good. Their linebackers last year. We're not very good. They were awful. And I believe I tracked this last year and I I'm pretty sure the number is right. I think he had eleven games last year with three or fewer targets as the really the only receiving tight and on the roster. That's not a real good sign for productivity even as tied into just not somebody you can count on. I know he was, you know, people will say he was pulling coverage away from Mike, Mike Williams and teams were focusing on him. And some of that may be true. But he just was not very good last year he can't run. It's painful to watch him. Just hurts me to watch him play to honest as a longtime fan as just painful to watch him. You know grind it out the way he is just kind of like to see him go out on his own. He don't want his own terms instead of being kind of spit out by the game. And it seems. Like he's headed in the other direction. These probably gonna wind up being chewed up and spit out as a guy who owned the charters will touch at this point his career, because nobody else seems to be that interested would you rather have Antonio gates in the state of his career as a decoy, or would you rather have Sean Koken as you're trying to three? That's how bad this group is. Yeah. That's my answer. You might take a decoy. Yeah. Are let's go ahead move on then. Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk, and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script to riff on what that means and basically, what is all every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking. Disasters to pro wrestling, too unfashionable pants worn middle school. 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Travis Benjamin Dylan Cantrell, Jeremy Davis. Arteta's Scott Andre patent Justice league ins and two hundred free agents, Fred trillion and Jason more. So going into the season we can be fairly certain that unless somebody breaks out and forces their hand the top three receivers on the roster will be candid. Ellen Mike Williams and Travis Benjamin. Pretty safe to assume that they are locked into keeping Benjamin based on the way they restructured his contract. And the, the way they restructured his bonus. He is going to be on the roster. And they are hoping that he breaks out as the bona fide number three receiver as the speed guy the downfield guy, we will see if that happens or not. But I think is chargers fans as people who are tired of watching Travis Benjamin dance out out of bounds and drop balls and just not produce, I think we really have to hope here that somebody from the group of, you know, Dylan Cantrell Arteta's Scott, maybe Fred trillion, one of those guys, Jeremy Davis will Jeremy Davis, I think is probably gonna make the roster. Anyway, is my guess. He's probably got the inside track at least on the wide receiver four spot or five one of those last two spots. So you'd want Cantrell. You know, you'd want Cantrell Scott trillion. Maybe just Jason more. One of those guys to step up and force their hand with Benjamin, I think they wind up probably carrying five receivers being that they will more than likely carry three quarterbacks four running backs. I don't think they have they'll have the spot for six perceiver. So they're probably gonna wind up carrying five. I think you know, you're looking at like I said, Keenan Benjamin, and Mike as the top three and probably Davis as for five and my guesses are tavis Scott as for five somewhere in there with Cantrell, battling out for the fifth spot, most likely and the other guys more than likely being camp bodies. But with his speed and his ability to stretch the field in college. You've really kind of hope that trillion steps up and shows out in camp and forces their hand because none of the other guys on this roster behind the top three or really speed legitimate speed downfield guys like Benjamin is. They obviously feel they need debatable, whether or not they do, but they feel like they do. So you would hope somebody steps up in camp and shows that they can fill that role at a much lower cost, and maybe forces their hand cut Benjamin. I doubt it happens, but one can hope. Yeah, a lot of people. See Arteta Scott as speed guy. But he's more of a possession receiver so. Yeah. Trivillian's the next speed guy on the roster. So, yeah, the chargers carried six wide receivers last year. They'll be in the five six range this year. You know, Travis Benjamin, of course, being a guy who's pretty much locked in Mike Williams Travis Benjamin key now in your top three wide receivers going in the season behind that is still Cantrell. Jeremy Davidson Arteta, Scott are tavis was on his way to leapfrogging Jeremy Davis last off-season during the preseason before that injury happened. So, you know, Scott might be that for, you know, it's almost interchangeable between Scott and Jeremy Davis has your wide receiver four five and last year. The chargers mentioned earlier they cut doing Cantrell. They draft from in six round, but he didn't even make the fifty three and they snuck him back on the practice squad, but they elected to go with JJ Jones if you remember in that final, fifty three, I think we all wonder forget that. But you know, he's a speedy guy maybe trivillian's that, you know. Maybe he's JJ Jones's here. You know, the numbers were never there for him. San Diego State, but Dow's more risque him fit than a talent efficiency, you can really run has some returner experience. Here's a former db things are developing. You know, I think adding some more speeders roster wouldn't hurt. So definitely a practice squad candidate. But I think you're right. I think our tavis Scott has really excuse me. Dylan Cantrell, really has to make a case here to be on the roster because so far they obviously don't value him as much as we all thought they did when they drafted him because they cut him and we'll see how he does. And he's got a earn a spot here because our tavis Scott has shown that he has earned a spot on this Russia last year. Jeremy Davis has been a mainstay as a wide receiver depth. You know, the other guys Andrea, Pat and Justice league are basically can't bodies. And they're always there. I don't know why they keep returning to camp. But they're always there, they have, you know, they're no threat to make the roster. But Dylan can't trolls, really the guy. That's on the cusp. He's on the bubble. And whether he'll make the roster. I don't know that it's fair to say necessarily that the team doesn't value on Cantrell because he was hurt and he was out for the year. So they couldn't it didn't really make sense to keep him on the active roster last year because he had the hip pointer whatever it was at the early in camp last year. And he just never came back. So as far as I know he was out for pretty much the entire year last year. But they kept him on the practice squad. So that tells me that they do value him. They, they wanted to keep them in the fold and have them learn the system even though he wasn't going to be on the field. So I don't know that it's fair to write him off per se because he's got he certainly has the size that they clearly cut it in their wide receivers at six three to twenty six. He's a great athlete. He can make the contested catch. He's kind of last year at this time we were saying he does everything they thought Mike Williams would do just watching him on tape and college. So he's a guy who could sneak on. To the roster. It wouldn't surprise me if he had one of the final three guys competing for the last two spots at all but Davis the team loves him. And I think he really helped himself last year with a special teams play. He stepped up huge in training camp last year was a huge part of the special teams and then really took that to the next level from the middle of the regular season on, he was a huge part of a much improved coverage unit. So I think Davis gets the inside track one of those last two spots and the quit. And I think Scott probably has the inside track one of those last two spot. So everybody else's chasing those two one likely, but fingers crossed you really wanna see somebody like trillion who has that speed step up and force the charges to make a tough decision because I think we've all seen. Benjamins role in this offense was seriously reduced last year. He was basically a gimmick player running sweeps. And reverses and you know, bubble screens and all that kind of stuff and just he wasn't really a factor in the offense, and it just seems like he's been left. He's been usurped by Mike Williams and now they've got Henry coming back the backs catch all those passes underneath. I just don't see how he fits in a large role. So they've gotta be hoping somebody steps up and forces them to make tough decision. We'll see if that happens the restructure that contract, I clearly proves that they don't have a long term investment in Travis Benjamin. And yeah, obviously last year the way they were implementing him in the offense is kind of a gimmick player on those jets was just, just telling so yeah, hopefully one of those players can take over Benjamin spot but he's obviously pencil as wide receiver three now. And for Cantrell, I was just saying they don't in terms of levels of valuing him then. The there are ways you can't even if he was injured to keep them on the rostrum and sneak them on the practice while later on the next round of cuts or something like that. But the outright just cut him with the chance to being taken by another team. And a lot of people thought they would so yes, they do value him. But I you know, I thought they valued him enough to keep them on the fifty three and then sneak them on the practice squad later but not a guy. I'm writing off at all. And that's not what I was trying to say, I'm just saying that was prising I think all of us that they would outright Cottam definitely during the fifty three but definitely a guy that's on the bubble. He's got to beat out Jeremy Davis. Arteta Scott can do that loved his college tape, and I'm really excited to see him real athlete too. So I'm excited to see Dylan Cantrell. And hopefully he jumps up that depth chart and he was letting up in camp before he got hurt. So fingers crossed he can do that again. Yep. All right, guys. Well, that's it for this round of the lightning round podcast next time we will cover offense of. Line. We'll talk about all of them centers guards tackles every single player on the current roster. Right now for now. We're done. I am at Garissa St. on Twitter, Jamie lightning underscore around, and we will see an time that everybody.

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Score More #7: Five trades the Chargers should make

Bolts from the Blue

24:51 min | 4 years ago

Score More #7: Five trades the Chargers should make

"Before we begin this podcast and the intro kicks in. And we start talking about football. I just like to address something that's a little serious, and this isn't Schick. And I know I like to keep it lighthearted and fun on this podcast. But I just like to mention something up top. And most of you may have seen some of you have no clue what I'm talking about. But that doesn't matter somebody close to us who writes with us over Bolton, the blue made something public, and they ended up deleting that statement, but I'm not going to get into the details of it. One part of like to focus on is the person who talked about how they were struggling and they're going to go work on themselves. And I think when somebody says that they're going to go work themselves. I think it's a brave thing to do. And I think it's a noble thing to do. Because I think your mental health is key. I think working on yourself is a good thing. I know we're all fans of football. Where guys go out? Violently trying to hurt each other. Sacrificing their bodies. And there's this kind of Machiko attitude this alpha male behavior nine understand that. And I know even as men even women in society after be strong put on airs. But when it comes to mental health getting help doesn't mean you're week doesn't mean you've given up. It's more a sign of strength that you're trying to work on yourself. And it's all of us, you know, just this week at somebody that writes for the site, you know, soon at somebody you see on the news, or it's somebody close to you. And I know we've all been affected by something. Whether it's cognitive or payroll or emotional, it's all about improving your well being and personally. My wife has worked in the mental health field at least has for a long time. And I've heard stories in she's worked help improve people's relationships and their physical health and their mental health and just helping people improve their daily life. And I know there's a scale of people who have mental illness. But. When they said they wanted to work on themselves. I just thought maybe other people should know that they can work on themselves. I'm not using this platform to grandstand. Just because of a microphone in front of me plant my flag, or even you know, get up on my soapbox. This is just an impromptu thing that came to me because you know, it -ffected me, and this is all coming outta me. Because I was inspired to do. So not because I had some plan to do it. And it's probably not coming out as eloquent as I like it too. But I think the message is important, and maybe it reaches somebody. I'm not blind to think that I can reach the world through this podcast. But hey. Maybe it helps you or someone around you. Or it doesn't help right away. Or it helps somebody later there is a lot of things that everybody can improve about themselves. I know everybody carries their own baggage half deal with their own demons, and I'm sympathetic to that fact because I've been around it. I've even donated my time to it. And I just wanted to say if you wanted to get help or needed to seek help because you're not feeling right? Or even just wanting to improve yourself become a better, you you should do it. Mental health is important. There are ways to improve yourself and working on yourself is a good thing. So if you need it don't be afraid to do it. Angling? Should have the full. One hundred twelve career. Touchdown catches the most by the NFL tied in time. Figured it out. Just like football. This is score more with Garrett system. We are back score more podcast. I am here. And I'm going to admit right off the top of this is going to be short podcasts. I'm not feeling that great. But I'm here to give you another podcast, and I will give it to you today. We're talking about five trades. The chargers could make because the trade deadline's coming up. We've seen a lot of guys go from different teams. The NFL is getting a little bit more trade happy, which is a good sign and a lot of fun for me. And for fans, it's trades are fun. So let's go through a couple of hypotheticals. I'll give you five been six and all my predictions this year guys six and oh well seven this week because I didn't lose it on my week. See last week. I said the charges are going to be six in to going in the by the can't lose their in the by right might as well give them a win. So we'll talk about five trades. I don't have anything else to talk about. And again, this is probably going to be pretty quick. So let's talk about some trades. And before we do let me just get into how I approach this whole thing. So. So when looking at trades at one go as realistic as possible, I went kind of big from my last one, and we'll get to it. And I'll give you reason why. But I went into players that were in the realm of possibility. I didn't go for high end players that, you know, won't be traded. I didn't go with teams that had contenders. That couldn't part ways with big players, I took into consideration contracts. So when we go over these guys charges pick up they could make room to get all these players. I didn't mention each player. The turns out the cut to get there. We're going over five hypotheticals also with these numbers. The chargers have two point five million left cap space. So there aren't a lot of players who can fit in. But if you do some moves and trade certain player, maybe make a cut or two you can make room for it. So keep that in mind. I know they're all going to be higher than what the chargers project a cap is for this year. But it is possible if they. It can get a certain somebody off the books, and we'll talk about it. So you're not gonna see a ton of marquee players. You're gonna see a lot of fringe guys and players that are from struggling teams. Now, you saw the giants raiders head a giant fire sale this week, and we're basically going for rebuild. And I think a lot more teams will end up doing that. And some teams that have some restrictions on the cap going into one thousand nine who probably need to make a deal to. So I think it's unrealistic to go and look for a team that's in the playoff on. And then take away one of their best players, or at least try to trade for him. This isn't Madden. I tried to go realistic. And then I went with the biggest positions of need, which I think would upgrade this team on defense and on offense. So let's go ahead and get into it. So the first one is an obvious trade. And it's not a player coming onto the chargers is a player leaving the chargers and his trading. Travis Benjamin again, it's obvious. But it has. To be the chargers. Biggest priority this off season charges can cut Travis Benjamin. And they probably will see might as well. Get a draft pick for them. Mike Williams, Tyra Williams both shown the bay deserve those wide receiver spots behind Keenan Allen. They've both been playing very very good. Especially Tyrone Williams. The last two weeks Benjamin is no longer the punt returner does king has ran away with return duties and some team will probably covet Travis Benjamin world-class speed, maybe they even want him as a returner who knows but you can't teach speed in every team wants to get faster. So I know that while watching Travis Benjamin you're thinking how could a team want Travis Benjamin every team wants to get faster every team wants speed look at Ted Ginn. He's been on multiple different teams guy can't catch. But he's fast Markey's Goodwin. Isn't even a football player. He's attract star even though he's been playing good. That's not a great example. But still he's not even really football players. Star teams want fast players look at tyreek hill he is a game recor here's a game changer, and you can't teach speed so trading. Travis Benjamin is a priority. Let's talk about some of these teams and somebody's potential trade teams. Because I think Tom Lesko has got to get on the phone with some of these guys and start making some calls. The first one is the eagles there, obviously in the market for a wide receiver. They were rumored to have offered the raiders a second round pick from Ari Cooper there. Outbid by the Cowboys who offered him a first that's an obvious choice. They've made it known that there in the market for wide receiver if they're still in the market falling back on Travis Benjamin might be nice consolation prize. Next team is the saints. There are also in on Amari Cooper. They checked in with the raiders about Cooper and Ted kuenz on. I r so they could possibly use another speedy wide receiver on the outside across for Michael Thomas. Now, the bills need all the wide receiver helping get. Sean McDermott has been trigger-happy in the past. This is an obvious law season for the bills, and they have a bunch of possession receivers like Calvin Benjamin, they could definitely use some speed on the outside. The Packers are another team on check in on their receiving corps has been a let down this year. And you don't really hear about them making a ton of traits because they like the Bill from within. But they could definitely use a mitre sea route maybe a check into sea of Green Bay's open to the idea. And then they'll these teams aren't really in the buyer's market because they're either in the middle of the rebuild or they're about to start a rebuild. But the colts forty Niners. Make some sense to they need some help Trump's Benjamin could help upgrade those receiving cores in Indianapolis and San Francisco as well. So in terms of a price, I think asking for anything more than a fifth is a dream. I think the best pick you're going to get Charles Benjamin is a fifth round pick. And at that point. I would make that deals fast as you can if you get offered a fifth but anywhere from fifth to seventh. Why not alone Travis Benjamin because you're probably going to unload him in the offseason, so call some of those teams get Travis Benjamin off the chargers roster. You've already got your starting three wide receivers Tyra Williams. Mike Williams Keenan Allen they playing great so far this year. And hopefully, the charges are pulled the trigger before the trade deadline. So that's the only charter player, I think is worth anything in a trade when the chargers should definitely do it. And to be honest, as we go forward with these other players, it will be instrumental that the charters trade Travis Benjamin because they don't have much room and the Catholic mentioned earlier, so freeing up that seven million from Travis Benjamin is key to getting these guys. So it all inches on trading. Travis Benjamin in these hypothetical situations. So now, let's talk about some guys that aren't on the chargers roster the charters could make a trade four. So the first guy is the guy you'll probably recognize I've mentioned him before. I was even asked early. On the lighting around podcast about possible. Trae candidates, and I brought up his name, and that's free safety Doron Harmon from the New England Patriots. Now Harman's always been rotational safety with the patriots behind Patrick Chun and Devin mccourty the past a lot of shuffling with their DB's Harmon is on the field somewhere between fifty or sixty percent of the time any given Sunday, but he is in under the radar rangy free safety in harmony is actually pretty good in the run game two. I wrote an article for bolt from the blue during free agency when Ron Herman was a free agent and thought this was a guy that charter should go after and while watching him it always seemed like he came up big when the patriots needed him. New England also sends Harmon is an extra Blitzer as well. And he's very good at it. So another added blitzing db, and obviously charges need help on the back end Harmon is in the second year of his four-year deal. Bill Belichick and the patriots have no problem trading their guys. So I don't think any deal is off the table. Unless the guys Tom Brady so Harmon has an option is con-. Track next year, which is worth two years nine point five million. That's an easy option for the charges to pick up or you can use it as a negotiating tool in the offseason in terms of a trade. I think it conditional fifth round pick is probably as high as I'd go for Doron Harmon. He's an instant upgrade makes charter defense. Better fixes your biggest problem, which is your free safety until twenty twenty one the downside, and why wouldn't offer more than a fifth, or at least a conditional fifth Harmon isn't a full time starter playing fifty or sixty percent of the snaps Harmon is very good. But also, you can think of it as maybe drawn Harmon gets fifty to sixty percent of the stance of the chargers to maybe he plays the deep safety role. Maybe the chargers mix in some of these other DB's too. So maybe it's a perfect fit. But I don't think you can offer more than a fifth for guy who is in a full time starter so conditional fifth for drawn harm. And I think is more than fair and drawn Harman's a guy, I would definitely consider trading for. So the next guy on this list is on the other side of the ball. And that is a tight end. The tight end is Jack Doyle from the Indianapolis Colts. Now, the colts have the fifth worst record in the NFL. But one guy on the team that has proven be a bright spot is their free agent acquisition. Eric Hebron eve run is recorded more touchdown passes halfway through this season than he ever has in any season. When he was in Detroit. So with another bad season looming and the emergence of Hebron. I think they're tied in to Jack Doyle just might be free to pick up. Now Doyle's been injured for part of the season. But might make a return this week for the colts. So he is healthy. And we'll be ready to go. Now. The chargers lost hunter Henry and they haven't gotten anything from Virgil green orange. Tonio gates, Jack Doyle is a good blocking tied in. And as a fringe starting ten in the NFL, but he's probably more suited to be a high end tied into and getting Doyle would give the charges that true receiving weapon. This year also threaten the red zone. Jack Doyle only has one year left on his deal. So going into two thousand nine hundred ninety hunter Henry starter you object oil in for your two tight end sets when charters run twelve or twenty two personnel. And then you get virtual green the third tight end spot coming in mostly for blocking downs, or whatever you like. So for Jack Doyle, he's a mid level tight end. He'd help the chargers this year, but he's not a long term option. And he's probably not worth a lot in a trade. You could probably get away with partying with a six round pick, maybe even seventh. If you threw it out there, but the colts aren't looking to hold onto Jack Doyle charters aren't looking to sign him. Long-term colts could probably use some extra picks because they're rebuilding. So might be a match, and it'd be pretty good option. This year two thousand eighteen to kind of upgrade the offense, especially the tight end position because it has not been good at all. And in two thousand nineteen it'd be kind of fun to see hundred Henry Jack Doyle as the two tight end sets. Now getting a little bit more exciting because you know, Jack Doyle isn't a lot of fun. I think it's kind of fun to see hundred hundred Jack Doyle side by side. But you know, that's not bringing a lot of cachet. Nobody's really getting excited about Jack Doyle, but I think it would upgrade the offense. But this is exciting. The next guy on my list is the Jacksonville Jaguars free safety tashaun Gipson. So the Jaguars run a three man rotation much like the patriots. They've got Gibson very church and they got their new rookie. Ronnie Harrison, this is a Jaguars team that is going down fast. After benching Blake Bortles last week, and the Jags cap going into two thousand nineteen is negative three million. So they have got to make some room before next season. And they gotta get some of these guys off the books and getting picked back is better than the alternative, which is outright cutting them in the offseason. Take Shawn Gibson is one of those guys that's been mentioned as one of the players are willing to move. I've been a fan of Gibson much like Harman for awhile. And though, you might think I'm being a Homer. He's been playing really good this year. Maybe some of his best football pro football, focus has ranked as the seventh best free safety in the league this year, and he's been really getting his hands on some footballs this season. This has been the chargers. Biggest weakness this season. I mentioned it with Doron Harmon if they had an average free safety they will be much better defense. So imagine what they would be with a top ten free safety, and how that would help the back end Gibson is in his third year of his five-year deal. And he's owed. Eight million the next two years, and he's twenty eight now that's too rich until let's go wants to pull the plug. It'll cost them one point six million two thousand nineteen and eight hundred thousand and twenty twenty so that's an easy move to make if it doesn't work out or maybe he used that to restructure his deal. But even though it's a commitment with eight million over the next two years, if you want to get out of those contracts, you can save a lot of money and won't cost you a lot to get rid of them. So really to me that's a win win. Now, tation Gibson is talented and the Jags again to unload some of their assets. But I don't think it's like a giants or raiders type firesale will they're just giving it away. I think fifth round pick would actually be a pretty good price replay of Gibson's caliber. And plus the odds of hitting on a player that would make a bigger impact on Gibson, and the fifth round are pretty slim now, I know Tom Thom let's go in the chargers have a pretty good track record with fifth round picks. But still man if you've got a chance at tation Gibbs. Tsen, and it's only going to cost you a fifth round pick. You gotta go for it. And this is probably the best free safety option. You have in the trade market all the rest of them are pretty young and from contending team. So I don't think they're willing to do it. But with the cap situation the Jaguars are currently in. They gotta make some moves soon. So since this team is starting to tank for them and Blake Bortles as being benched and they've lost a couple in a row. They seem to be falling back in that division already. They might need to start wheeling and dealing and because of that and the last guy on the list and the fifth trade for this podcast is another Jaguar and his defensive tackle Marcell. Darius so right before I got on this podcast, the number one option for me was going to be defensive tackle Damon snacks Harrison, and he was traded to the lions for fifth round pick. So let's go big. Let's go from ourselves areas. In for the reasons I already talked about with tashaun Gipson and the Jags upcoming cap situation. This. Is another guy. They've talked about unloading. Why not go for it? Now Marcell dareus might be the most Atlantic probably the least realistic because they've got a clear like eight million to make room for Darius. And it's a long shot. But a guy that's definitely opened for trade half the charters really wanted to do what they could do it. But if you can clear seven million by trading Travis Benjamin to the forty Niners or the saints or somebody. Then you got a little bit more room. You're talking about nine point five. Darius is oh ten point one. Maybe move a little money around and still make it work. So even though it's probably not likely there is a remote possibility that they could trade for Marcel Darius. So it's not impossible. But probably the least likely of the players on this list. They could try to talk to Darius about lowering his cap number may be spreading out his contract. But he doesn't really have any motivation to do that. So we probably won't. And again, it's a long shot. But it's still fun. And we're talking about hypotheticals. If Darius is on the market, and he's available. The chargers need run, stuffing defensive tackle. Why not throw him in here? Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation, and I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. Because Darius is another elite run defending defensive tackle a spot that could definitely use an upgrade. Now. Darius isn't the man he was in buffalo in two thousand fourteen where he racked up ten sacks. But what it continues to do in the NFL is be one of the best run stuffing tackles, he's great. As the best run defender. Not named snacks. He is twenty eight. He does have a have to contract attached to him in. Darius is fifty six million over the next four years, but this off season Marshall Darius does have an out in his contract making the chargers can either pick up the option which would be great or they can threaten to not pick it up. So the chargers would have a bargaining chip knowing that he's not the same player that signed that six year ninety six million dollar contract and is approaching twenty nine and if we're to assume that Brandon EBay and inquiry Leauge, it will not be back with the chargers going in two thousand nineteen adding Marcell Darius with your youngsters dairies Filon and the rookie Justin Jones upgrades that. Grew. Adding Darius would add some beef in the middle of the line where the chargers have been lacking for years. But the downside is if they made that trade and the opted out and Darius decided to become a free agent and didn't wanna restructures deal it would essentially become a one year rental. But if history indicates how these negotiations would go eat assume to let's go would have it all worked out say what you will about Tom Celescu. But when he gets guys in that building he does not let them leave any keeps all the internal free agents. He wants look at all the guys that he got in free agency when you track back to Brandon flowers and Joe Barksdale and trae Boston and signing guys early like Keenan Allen a Casey Hayward. If he wants you Tom Glasgow usually gets you. So you'd hope Tom let's go Marshall dearest would be able to strike up some kind of deal, but if Damon Harrison got a fifth round pick, and he has about half the money attached to his deal. I think the Jags will have to sell low with Marshall various because I don't know how they're going to be able to eat that contract. Two thousand nineteen. I'd say a six. Round pick from ourselves. Areas would probably get it done, especially with the contract. You know, they're trying to offload six round pick. Marcel Darius work out some kind of contract, you even if it is a one year rental and the charter trying to make a playoff run, and you bolster that run defense seems like it might be worth it. I think it's worth the gamble. So some guys you'd like to trade for free safety, obviously. Keisha? Gibson drawn Harmon beef up the run defense. Marcel Darius get a tied into takeover. Hunter Henry spot for two thousand eighteen Jack Doyle, obviously, you can't do all four those those are some very intriguing names. And of course, above all trade Travis Benjamin already, and that's going to do it for the score more podcast. There's no game this week. But make sure you follow Twitter account at score more pod. And the tagline doesn't work this week. But you know, we gotta do it. Let's just hope. Charger score more on Sunday. My name is Spencer hall. My name is Jason Kirk. My name is Ryan nanny every week combined. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #195: The Chargers changes

Bolts from the Blue

33:20 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #195: The Chargers changes

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan. You are this. Is the lightning round podcast with your host. Garrett's the end Jamie voile charges go. Hey everybody welcome to the lighting around podcast. We are back. Jamie is at lining underscore route. I am at Gear Christie and we are here to talk about the chargers win over the dolphins but first we got to donations so big shoutout goes out to burt Rosen. Thank thank you for your generous. Donation and Bert says you guys are awesome. Thank you preventing in saying what we were thinking and feeling after Texans game. The bolts are not easy to root for. I benefit for forty years crap. I'm old but I love them anyway. You're right. We are awesome and you're welcome. You're not the only one to say that to a lot of people were feeling a little bit. Cathartic being able to were awesome well that and also we were able to event and everybody else was kind in the same boat with us. Which of course is smart on their part. Brian Kerr also gave us a donation. He said Hey guys awesome. Casts in two thousand nineteen seems like you were having more fun than ever. My wife and I are flying in New York City to. La For the packers game was hoping someone listening that cannot use their turn silent. Tickets wants to direct sale to ensure that the seats do not end up in packer fan hands cheers. I don't even know how to handle that here. We are not that's not here but this Brian. If you're listening go comment on this podcast on bolt from the blue and then and you can have somebody connect you there I don't I don't WanNa give out your info here on the podcast so you can go take care of that in the comments and anybody that has charger sideline tickets help out Brian He. It seems like a cool guy obviously likes podcast so he must be cool. Yeah any also donated money so that's extra extra cool so the charger charger game it was close early on charges pulled away right before halftime. They finally got their winner Miami. It was actually a really boring game to rewatch. Watch and get to watch it live and to be honest. It seemed like a lot of people were very dramatic about that game because it didn't seem like the charges were ever quite behind. They were behind the scoreboard but they dominated by game. Never even punted the ball but still a very boring game to watch not a ton to talk about but I think what we do want to talk about how are similar new faces at the positions because some were because because Anthony Lynn wanted to get some guys playing time so let's talk about some things that happen during this game and let's talk about some of the replacements heading into Sunday. We got to see in the running back group. Justin Justin Jackson was out troymaine pope was in he was the rb two and he had his first career touchdown. Yeah Pope look good. He caught a few passes had a couple nice runs. NHS looked explosive showed. Some good vision was kind of operating out in space. had a nice touchdown reception like you mentioned from rivers where rivers kind of fled the pocket and it looked like he was gonna run and then he dumped it right over the linebackers head for touchdown kind of baited the linebacker into breaking on him and then got it to pope so pope look good. They you know oh they. They put them emotion a bit. They like I mentioned they ran him out on the edges like they do with Equa quite a bit and he looked good. It was his first regular season experience France and he looked pretty solid. He was quiet for some parts but flash lot couldn't get a lot going on the ground but there were some definitely some good runs. He was patient on that Td Pass occupy the space and he made a move when he got it was able to score Mellon Gordon of course suited up but he didn't have to take a snap because editor and pope who held the down on Sunday going forward though there's something we should probably talk about and that's how this snap count is going to go because we got to see a quarter of a season with cler as the starting running back and Gordon makes this team better on offense. I don't think there's any doubt about that but I think going forward. Eh cler deserves at least fifty percent of those touches I get there's going to be game flow issues and they're gonNA WANNA ride the hot hand times but that all be dictated on you know all of that but all the questions in the off season about not having the chops to be an rb one are completely out the window this running back group has got to be a two headed mosser going forward as far as I'm concerned because these two are very talented and I don't think you can then give his old role in a back seat. Is that kind of third-down receiving and weapon. I think you've got to start to get really close to fifty fifty here you would think but with Gordon coming back. I'm not sure we can trust the coaching staff to do that. you know. Anthony Lynn already talked about how Gordon is the rb one and he's the man and once he's ready. He's going to go back to getting the bulk of those touches so as much as I'd like to continue seeing Echo. Get the ball as much as possible. It seems like we're probably going to be looking at more of a seventy five seventy thirty type split. Flit just because that's how they've operated things in the past and they don't seem to view at Clara's that starting running back somebody they wanNA give a ton of touches to so you're probably looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of fifteen to twenty total touches for Gordon probably somewhere in the neighborhood of five to ten total touches for and you'll probably see more of him in the passing passing game it is my guest than in the running game but hopefully they figure out a way to work them both in love to see them both on the field at the same time more with Ecuadoran motion you know kind kind of creating havoc with the defensive game plans making them account for him all over the field and opening up running lanes passing lanes for for the rest of the offense so lots of things things. You can do there with that but I think you know once they feel like Gordon is ready to go. I think he's probably GonNa get the bulk of those touches unless there's been a complete change of Parton coaching staff even since last week which doesn't seem likely know. The coaching staff will probably go your route though I think they are completely wrong on that and and it should definitely be a lot closer in terms of touches because Austin has been great through the first four games and a lot of people point to that fumble he had on the one yard line but outside of that he's been just awesome most receiving touchdowns of any running back to the NFL has greater is like the number one running back. He's been great so so we'll see how it goes. I know early on equis probably GONNA get the bulk of the snaps just until Gordon's. NFL ready but talented backs now in the Backfield and a and Melvin Gordon is back Virgil Green know he missed the contest to Miami and of course Hunter Henry is out too so that meant Lance Kendricks. The veteran got the start art and he made his presence felt right away. He caught that twenty four yard pass on that second play from scrimmage over Eric Rowe he finished with thirty seven yards on the day which close to tripled Virgil Greens Green's production this season in three games and I get virtual green is that blocking tight end and that's his bread and butter and I get real commodity but Kendricks is showing the receiving chops. The team has been missing since Henry's gone down love to see last Kendricks move up the depth chart if kendricks keeps putting up the performances like he did on Sunday. I mean I really do like the thought of Henry Hendrickson. Some twelve personnel becomes really really intriguing because you've got a another actual receiving weapon which we haven't had next to one hundred Henry Yeah. I thought Kendricks looked pretty good. He was getting open quite a bit. They made an effort to get him the ball early on I don't know how many targets he had but it seemed like they they were looking his way a a pretty frequently and he made some nice catches. They looked at him. I think on one third down in particular early in the game so he looked good. He's definitely the best that's receiving tight end they have now with Sean Kokin having torn his Achilles Tendon and being out for the year and not knowing what's going on with Henry at this point. He looks like he's is the best option for receiving tight end and as much as we had fun with his signing a couple of weeks ago. I do think there is an opportunity for him to contribute in this offense. You know it's probably not five six seven catch kind of performance every week but you know he can help move chains. Maybe pollen somewhere between two and four catches a week somewhere in the neighborhood of forty or fifty yards a week. That's a pretty solid season. You're getting some pretty solid production at at least makes teams honor him and respect him and and it gives them another weapon that they can sneak on the field and make some place so I like what Kendricks did. I like the fact that they made an effort to get him the ball and I hope there's there's more of that coming because like you mentioned green is really the blocking tight end and with culkin injured. I believe the team call up. Steven Anderson this week and they signed signed Matt Socal back to the practice squad so more tight end moves none of them tight and move everybody wants him to make it seems like they're doing everything they can to avoid bringing back gates which even in dire straits. I think is fine with me at this point but I'm probably minority on that outside of Garrett the B. I think Kendricks is a nice addition kind of a nice fine and I think they can figure out ways to get on the ball and he can be productive so hopefully henry comes back and they have that nice one to punch green tight end three things are rounded out nicely and they don't have to go back to that gates well one more time yeah. No I agree with you. I'm I'm actually glad they haven't gone back. There and I like what Kendricks brought on Sunday. It was nice looked. Open at times did pretty good in the blocking game from what I saw I. I can't wait to see what he does next week. Hopefully Greenock. I WANNA see more extended. Look at Lance Kendricks not that I wish that green gets more injured just that I'd like to see more extended look from Kendricks so so moving on to another wide receiver they got put into the lineup here. Dontrelle Inman of course enter the land week four Travis Benjamin had that bruised ego. I I mean my way so it was inman any led the team in receiving and targets and seem like Imon was rivers. Go to guy on Sunday. Yeah I mean it shouldn't be that much of a surprise. We've seen him in this offense. He knows the announced the offense he knows rivers rivers knows where to find them in minimums running some great routes and it seemed like any time rivers looked his way he had a couple of yards of separation was is making a nice catch to help move the chains. I think you know in a lot of ways having Williams and Benjamin hurt and unable to play kind of reminded minded the chargers that hey this guy inman he can play a little bit and he can contribute so you know kind of in a Lotta ways. I think Sunday's game kind of felt like a preseason game with the way they were rotating guys in and they were giving guys opportunities positions they would normally play and they were featuring some guys in the offense that they would normally feature but I think these are all good things you know. They won the game first of all but they're reminding themselves that they don't have to look Keenan Allen every time in on a passing play you know they have a tight end who can catch a ball. They're they're being reminded that inman can make plays so I think you know having been in the middle of the field is a nice fallback. He's a guy who you can help move the chains on third down we saw him do it several times on Sunday and I like seeing him back. I liked the signing when they brought him back and I feel like it's it's something that will pay dividends down line. Whether Benjamin and Williams are healthier not he's a much more consistent route runner than both those guys his hands or more consistent than both those guys at this this point in time and I I have more confidence in his ability to come up with a clutch third downplay then definitely Benjamin and even Williams has been kinda ahead or miss this year with the way he goes about catching the ball and dropping balls on jump balls. He just hasn't been the beast. Everybody thought he was going to be coming into the season so having a third receiver I think is huge and hopefully they find more ways to work imminent in the offense. Even when Williams comes back Keenan's been the man through the first couple of weeks and INMAN. I'm in was the dude on Sunday. The dolphins did try to do everything they could take away Keenan Allen which left a lot of one on one match us for him in who took advantage especially late game and mentioned with Kendricks Outperforming Virgil Green in one game inman quadrupled Benjamin Season Total receiving three games to inman single game performance and then even in this one game so far with the chargers. It was almost half receiving yards. Benjamin has had the last two years with the chargers so there's there's no question that in men is outperforming. Travis Benjamin Right now. It's only one game I guess a small sample size but we haven't seen a game like this from Travis Benjamin in a very very very long time time going forward. He should be wide receiver three when Mike Williams returns. I think we say this all the time that Travis Benjamin needs to be off the field but it just seems like an inmate's is the better option he was definitely the safety blanket on Sunday when they really needed to convert some downs and move the chains and I like you mentioned. I'm trusting an enemy over definitely Travis Benjamin and maybe even Mike Williams but having that extra receiving weapon and inman helps US offense a lot lot with Williams without Williams but definitely moving ahead of Travis Benjamin the depth chart would would really benefit this offense yes especially with Hunter Henry out and you know trying to find new ways to control the middle of the field in the in the intermediate passing game. You know I think there is a definitive role there for inman between the twentieth twenties particularly and then you can go back to trying to force feed the ball to Williams in the red zone were his size will win out more often than not but having that that big frame mm-hmm and the route running ability and the reliable hands and the ability to make tough catches and traffic which INMAN did a few times on Sunday is just it's invaluable in the middle of the field when you don't have a go-to tight end and you're trying to find ways to not have to rely so heavily on Keenan Allen so I think it was a a valuable discovery for for the chargers and a a nice reminder for wiz that hey we don't need to throw the ball the two Allan every time and we do have somebody else who can make plays even when Mike Williams comes back. There's a role there for him so very positive development. I KNOW PEOPLE WANNA see keen and get his catches in his yards and touchdowns but having somebody to help pick up the slack in the middle of the field and on third down is huge because you don't WanNa wear key in and out and you don't WanNa have put him in harm's way or have rivers trying to force the ball to him because he doesn't trust anybody else know it keeps it more balanced on the outside so it's definitely a good thing and so those are some of the guys that we knew were going to be taking taking on a bigger role going into that game. Let's talk about some of the guys that were some in game adjustments in. We'll start with kaiser white who played tomato. I know you like to call. Oh you don't like hearing that word but he plays him Sam and that was fairly new because we saw white place will we saw white play some. Mike but they walked down the line of scrimmage and he played some on on Sunday yeah. It's something that we heard them doing with him. During Training Camp I didn't see it with my own eyes but apparently they were doing some of that in training camp. He was playing all three positions. it's interesting in that you know while. I think he's probably capable of plane that SAM auto position. It's probably the one one linebacker position in this defensive. He's Li suited to playing at least right now based on how is he's currently built and based on his current skill set not to say he can't do it but I feel like he's better in the middle or at will so to see him. Be the first man up in that particular role was kind of interesting. thought there was some place there where where he got sucked in against the run. There was one plane particularly. I think it was the the dolphins I run. Play from scrimmage end up getting called back for a penalty but they had a huge gaping whole the right side of the offensive line because white got sucked in and he he missed his run fit and he got caught outside ride and drake bounce bounce back inside between the tackles and one for a huge gain that wound up being called back but overall. I think white played pretty well. It was almost like you know we. We went on a rant last week talking about how he needs to be on the field. He's gotTa be on the field wisey on the field. Why is he playing behind Davis. It's almost like the coaches. Listen to the show and we're like fuck. Let's just put them in. Sam Put them in auto and shut these guys up was just thrown out there for better or worse and and we'll shut these guys up once and for all which is kind of a theme throughout this whole game because there's a lot of these guys we were bitching about last week. They got some plays yes. There were a lot of them. Yeah we'll get yeah yeah but it was good to see him out there. At hopefully you know we've there have been rumours this week. I think Daniel Papa reported that they're trying to work to Tavis Davis Brown into the dime package in in Thomas Davis place because they don't like Davis being out there for one hundred percent of the snaps and they don't like him out there in obvious passing situations. I really wish they'd put out there. I just think he's a better player than Davis Brown is. I don't know why Brown is getting an opportunity over over white right but it is what it is. At least they're trying to make adjustments so it kind of seems like they hit that quarter pole this season and their eyes lit up and they're like Oh man and we need to make some changes so now they're. GonNa Start Tinkering and they're in a soft part of the schedule which is a good time to start tinkering and find solutions that work so hopefully you know. It seems like AAC sure we're going to get to here in a minute with Melvin Ingram you know pulling his hamstring and being out for the jury that game and likely to miss some time it seems like white probably is going to see most of the time at Sam. I'd I'd like to see drew tranquil there as well. He's a little bigger a little stronger a little more stout. I'd like to see some of that as well. Maybe some of the way just to see what he looks like out there and I would expect to see a lot of of Mosul the Leo with with Ingram out as well yeah which we'll get to and so for your white I mean I like the move because they get white on the field more which is a positive but they're nickel and dime in the majority of the time anyway so it's not like he's getting that much more snaps which is kind of a bummer because he likes to see on the field but they're not going mean base that long so having Kaiser White at Sam means we'll see you. McKay boulet move up up chart. He'll be behind white and place them. Sam At some point maybe but a right now they've got kaiser white there because like you're mentioning. Melvin Ingram went down with a hamstring injury which kicked their current Sam Chapter Whoa Sue to Ingram's Leo Leo spot in college we kind of talked about how we liked him as an edge rusher he'll get his shot opposite. Joey Bosa now who may not have the sack numbers quietly having in a borderline elite season I e every week he looked so much better and everybody's talking about how quiet he's been but he's been really really good when you watch them but when you watch both of you see that they are trying to neutralize him and he's still getting his work in and he's still getting to the quarterback. It's it's amazing. He's been great but anyway so then that means neurosis lies is in Ingram spot because he's going to be out for a few weeks. It's been reported that he'll be out for quite some time and then you're going to see is Rochelle. He'll be the team's backup end buying boasts into Oh soo as a third pass rusher. Yeah I think new oh soo is probably better suited to playing the Leo so if Melvin is out for an extended period of time I think he might benefit fit the most from having that move over to Leo spot. I probably benefit playing bear more than white will benefit from playing the Sam position but just is being able to cut him loose in heaven. Go after the quarterback I think is a huge plus. Hopefully they let him do as much of that as possible and they're not dropping back into coverage as much as they were with Ingram the first three games but yeah. I think we'll probably see some of a bully at the Leo position. I've seen people saying that you know. Rochelle can do that and tillery. You can do that and you know. I don't think that's in the cards. At least it shouldn't be tillery not a Leo. He's not a guy who should be standing up and going after the quarterback probably more of a base end even if an even more so than defensive tackle on my opinion. Rochelle is definitely a base end and a sub package interior rusher. He's not a guy you want standing up and going after the quarterback either. I don't think so I think the real concern here is that they're they're getting thinner at two positions because because of one injury because they're moving their starter from one spot to another even though I think it will benefit him they're having to go further down the depth chart at the same position so we will probably see a a lot more nickel and dime even than we normally do just to keep their quote unquote best players on the field because they obviously right now. Don't think white is one of those guys. Somebody said that they thought Tiller was Eleo. I've seen that all over twitter. Oh God anyway Dirk Werner twitter so next up four slam. He got some playing time another guy. We bitched about last week. He got some playing time on the left. Side playing both left guard and left tackle. Yeah it was nice to see team out there nice to know that he's alive and he's not in the doghouse and apparently he'd he didn't have sleep with coach. Linde's wife or whatever it was it was keeping him off the field. it was interesting that he came on the field for one series in the first half at left guard instead of right guard. I don't know Fini was hurt or getting checked act out or what the deal was but he came in for one series. He looked pretty good. I think they ran behind him. A couple times with some success in he looked really good in pass protection he was although in a limited sample size their highest graded lyman of anybody on Sunday in Miami so that's a plus and and he also played one series at left tackle in the fourth quarter in garbage time where they brought in him and Trey Pipkins to play left tackle right tackle respectively and I thought he looked pretty good. You know there wasn't a whole lot to take home. It was a brief series and it was the series that ended the game in victory formation so it wasn't like they were trying to march the ball down the field and score touchdown but you know they did a little bit of passing a little bit of running. He looked pretty. Good didn't get beat wasn't getting you know pushed around by any means there are a couple of plays were look like he kinda got beat out the snap and he recovered with his work and was able to get back in position to make nice block so good thing for lamb to be on the field nice nice to see them. Give them. An opportunity did think it was interesting. Though cut coach Lynn's a press conference yesterday after practice and I think it was Daniel Popper asked him what what were your thoughts on forest lamps series and he said he was fine and popper followed up and said but what did you think did you think he looked good at guard. Have you noticed tackle something that you're thinking about with him you know what did you think of his performance. Can you evaluate them. He basically said forced is fine. I trust for us. He's been here for three years. He's fine and that was all he would give him so not exactly heaping praise on him not exactly you know doing backflips over his play but nice to see forest out there and hopefully he did say they plan on giving more snaps and that they wanted to give a meaningful snaps to hopefully we'll start seeing more of that at one or both guard positions and maybe even some tackle goal in the coming weeks against some bad football teams which lends been saying for a while now but he's actually getting playing time which is good seventeen snaps. There wasn't a lot a lot to go off of you know it was limited action and the most meaningful playing time like you mentioned was that left guard sing lamp at tackle was interesting because because the coaching staffs said he was exclusively playing left and right guard so to see him out on the edge was very interesting and they were saying that even winnow coon was out and they were down to no options attack was like well. We even give four slam a look and they were saying no. He's you know he's playing guard. He's pointing left and right guard so getting more playing time whether it'd be a tackle or guard as a good thing I think they stopped messing around. He looked good in his limited work but again. It's only seventeen stamps and you know he obviously didn't do anything that costs the team anything and I saw one pancake which was awesome and I don't know whether they they WANNA put them at guard or tackle but this team might have a tackle prospect and lamp and they might not even know it. I have a feeling I mean we know it right because we've talked about it but right. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this were just like the whole desk returner situation where they did everything to not put returner. They got so many returners back there. They couldn't run anybody else because they were injured or there. Were fumbling so they said. Ok does go go ahead. Go back there and all of a sudden holy Shit. He is a returner he was returner and now they can't go back. This could very well be a desk gang situation. I just see it. There's no way forest. Forest land just turned awful in three seasons that didn't happen no and we know for sure that both Scott heavy awful yes yeah there should be plenty of opportunity for we'll have to start stealing some playtime so if they are locked in on fiend Scofield for whatever reason at the guard positions and they want to get anything at all out of that that second round pick enforced lamp. It's time to start finding a spot for him a tackle and whether that's right tackle or left tackle. It really doesn't matter because he's going to be an improvement either way. He's worse. There's a big big big problem. It's not going to happen. He's there's no ways worse than those two. It's not a possible no the best tackle tackle class could not be worse than Sam Heavy and an undrafted free agent. You know no no no way that hassles so then you mentioned a little bit earlier. Sean Kalkin tore his Achilles it was a pretty good red zone catch to and you feel terrible too because on the replay he's like hobbling hobbling into the end zone thinking. Maybe they didn't touch him. May I was that was tough but you know so that meant Kokin went down Henry wasn't in green wasn't in which which means they had to give Derrick Watson tied and snaps and according to Derrick Popper Anthony Lynn said today that he tells what all the time you're GonNa be we are Dallas Clark and hey man bill up your players but definitely keep your expectations on that one Sean Jacobs playing an elite level exactly keeping expectations low on that sentiment. I sure but you know he wasn't. He wasn't targeted as tight. Dan Kalkin went down. He was mostly the blocking tight end which is fine but he did have a catcher earlier that little twenty one yard scamper down the sideline before that injury that was pretty impressive and like you mentioned the team did call up. Steven Anderson Got Mad so-called to the practice squad so they've got some replacements for Kokin already so we probably won't see why OUGHTA tight end but it was very interesting that they were able to run him out there. They've talked about how he's been quote unquote versatile piece in here. You go got some tidende snaps on Sunday. I mean he showed some good hands. had a nice little catch and run there. I think that was early in the game before he started playing tight end yeah but still flash a little bit of speed you know for a fullback some good hands. They obviously think he can block because they've got him as the primary blocking fullback so you now maybe they throw them out there and some gang situation see if they can and creates a mismatch is who knows but it's an option. It's a possibility probably not douse Clark but you know another guy who may be make a couple catches game and help out and they're they're better for it. We can get. I mean we can give Derek credit. He's he's. He's been good this year and he's been effective on most of these short yardage situations not too much to complain about so much in the fact that he got to play some tight end is kind of fun. One other thing I'll add is this kind of injury related tie long of course again kicking field goals didn't ask the punt at all on Sunday but but he did hit all three of his field goals even fifty yarder and this is after he came up limping offer that kickoff so he definitely was one hundred percent but he made all this outside of that lions game. Taylor has been really impressive for guy who has no NFL experience being kicker doing punting and kickoffs. He's been really impressive so shout out the long he did he. He did good again on Sunday. He deserved credit. I mean to be in the position that he's been forced into with. Badgley being hurt to be making the kicks. He's making you know. I think he's among the league leaders. If not the leader in net punting average at the moment he's been fantastic. They haven't been returning kicks against him for the most part because he's been kicking so so high with so much time that the coverage teams been able to get down and pinned teams deep a lot more often than not so he's been very good deserves a ton of credit it's not an easy position to be in for sure to be handling those three jobs and toughing it out on Sunday and making some big kick early in the game good on him for sure yeah and the chargers today. Tom Pella Cerro reported that the chargers are GonNa sign a rookie from Illinois Chase McLaughlin so I wonder if they're gonNA have him kicked field goals or as a backup kicker just in case yeah. I don't know at this point. Is there really reason to make a change besides just have in indepth exactly. I don't know that I'd take that role Outta Outta Long. Maybe risk you know hurting his confidence. He's been doing so well. Why make that change unless you're forced to so maybe it's just a depth option who knows we'll see but he's been a pleasant surprise for somebody. Who came in with no experience no? NFL Experience I should should say to be kicking the way he's kicking deserves a ton of credit. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts for behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more or with your favorite competitors. Listen subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk. Mark and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot Scott fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP couple more players who were on the field that we begged for last week one was drew drew tranquil was on the field quite a bit like on Sunday I noticed him for the first time in a goal line package which kind of surprised me although he is one of their larger larger linebackers so that was good to see I noticed him you know Kinda ranging sideline to sideline and make a few tackles thought he looked pretty good didn't really they do anything to stand out necessarily but look pretty good didn't do anything to hurt the team and we got some this year. Ali Late in the game too so it seems like the team is starting to work in some some of the rookies that we thought might be making impact on this defense is the season goes on. Now's removing the second quarter of the season. Maybe we'll start to see more of those guys. Search see them worked in to you know larger roles and where they can really make an impact on this defense because the secondary needs a lot of help right now for sure and I I think the linebacker core could use some shuffling well. Yeah we saw drew tranquil ten snaps. Adderley got nine and surprisingly enough. I I didn't I caught it. Live even didn't think I was seeing it right but court has got some snaps on Sunday to he had three three snaps. He was another one that I've seen people suggest might play. Leo Who are these people. These people are crazy. They might as what if they're just throwing names out there. I guess so I can stand up. There will be out there man and just stand up anything rush the pass right now. That's all that matters letters all right guys that does for us. I at Garissa St on twitter Jamie at lightning underscore round and we will see you next time thanks everybody.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #173: Chargers Offseason - Internal free agents, cuts & restructures

Bolts from the Blue

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The Lightning Round Podcast #173: Chargers Offseason - Internal free agents, cuts & restructures

"On like, they mold. This is the lightning round podcast with your host Garrett sixty and Jamie voile charge skull. We've been away for a while mostly recovering from the stopping the chargers from the patriots. But the gang is back. Jamie Hoyle and are here now together and together, we are the lightning round podcast. And since it was so bad. Let's kick it off with a message that might lift or spiritual bit from our good friend lamb. Our we had such a good season. And you a little bit different pointing that we get to the SuperBowl. But it was the best life can't wait for next year things and go charter leave. It was also one of the best seasons of my lifetime. I've seen maybe three or four seasons. Like that. I of course was around for the Super Bowl season when they got stopped in the Super Bowl instead of in the divisional round of the playoffs by the forty Niners. So I've seen that in a couple of other really good seasons. But yes, it was a great season. We're glad you're excited for next season that you enjoy the season. And as always we're glad that you decided to send us a message and tell us what you're thinking. So thank you very much for checking in and thank you for being our favorite listener. Yeah. And the perfect way to kick off the season move straight onto the off season. And also Landau hang up so quickly. We'll want to hear what you have to say. It's always cut off at the end. So make sure we hear every word. Okay. Up so quickly, but preciado it. Thanks for calling in little man. Thank you lamb and LIAM's, not the only one who's in good spirits because as Jamie talking. There are a lot of generous people who donated a lot after that loss. I don't know if it was in pain in sympathy in thanks to our content during the season, but thank you to everybody. And the first one goes out to Ian argon. He sent a donation said, here's forgiving something to listen to instead of college, lectures. Thank you, Ivan. 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And we're gonna go over the restricted free agents, the exclusive rights free agents, we're going to go over the unrestricted free agents all in house for the chargers. So we're gonna talk about in the second. But we have a question from Neil a guys Neil from Orange County, California greatly. Appreciate the work. You guys. Do your guys are by far the best charges podcast. That's out there right now. Quick question for you about Mike Williams. I've been listening to you. You guys for a long time. And I know that that Jamie wasn't too happy with what the chargers taken Mike Williams at the number seven pick in the first round. I've been pretty happy with his performance thus for this season overall, in your opinion, Jamie. And garett, do you believe that he does justify being the seventh pick overall in the first round and love to get your thoughts on that. Thanks, guys. He addressed you Jimmy. So I guess I'll let you start and just kind of take a little playoff you for second. And to be fair. I didn't care for the picky there. I don't know why you're getting all the hit for this one. So I I don't want you to bear the load by yourself. We've both did not like the pick. But he addressed you personally, Jamie. So how you feel about Mike Williams now? And does he warrant the number seven pick? I will say to be fair. I will say he somewhat exceeded my expectations this year. The touchdown. Total was very nice. He made some nice contested grad. Cbs? He became a nice red zone weapon. He kind of filled the role that I thought he would he stretched the field a little bit more than I thought I still think you know, for number seven pick. I'd still like to see him be more consistent kind of up and down. He'd may have couple of big games than disappear for few games. He had a few games. Any catches couple games that are target. So still not a consistent weapon. Not all his fault. He's competing with target competing four targets guys. Like Melvin Gordon Keenan Allen and off the neck ler. And of course, Tiro Williams. One of those guys is not going to be around to compete for for catches next year. So he should hopefully get more targets and have more opportunities. And we'll see what he does with those. I think. But I think he exceeded my expectations to an extent is he worth the number seven pick. I would still say, no. But I would say he's probably trending in the right direction. Yeah. No, I agree. I think Mike Williams have been very impressive, especially when you think about the turnaround year two, and it's been a lot of fun to watch especially the season. And this isn't a cop out. But it does also feel a little early to be making that assessment whether he warranted. The number seven pick or not ten touchdowns is great. That was tied for seventh over on the NFL, which is great. I mean, he beat out like Michael Tom just looking at the stats like Micheal Thomas and Stefan, digs not that. He's better than those wide receivers. But to get that kind of production out of your number two wide receiver is impressive. So I don't know if you say that wide receiver to with ten touchdowns worth a number seven pick. You'd think a top ten pick is like a wide receiver wide receiver one that changes your offense type of player. But the chargers also don't need him to be one of those. So if you're saying stand alone. Is his play worth a number seven picked probably not I would agree with you there. But for the chargers for what they needed him for sure, I think you've got more than enough if you're getting him to be high in wide receiver too. I think he's done that so far we don't know how that'll pan out for the next couple of years, but he is definitely trending in the right direction and very impressive two thousand eighteen season. I mean, you know, he had some a couple of really big games against the chiefs who have one of the worst secondaries in the league. So. Couple of those big games. He the game Kansas City was amazing. And that's the game. I think everybody kinda clings to when they talk about him being worth the number seven overall pick is look at that game in Kansas City, all the touchdowns a two point conversion, and he did he stepped we talked about it at the time. He stepped up in a big way after that game put up some big numbers of keener and on the shelf that fantastic job. Then he was kind of up and down for that. And that's that was kind of the story of a season. I'd still like to see him improve as route runner. I think his route running is not all that great. And he runs a pretty limited route Trie and for a guy who was hailed as a jump ball monster. He dropped more contested catches. And I would have liked to see last year. I'd like to see him catch the ball this hands more instead of trapping and against his body, which is go to but he made a lot of big plays to ten touchdowns. Huge came up really big in a couple of big spots. They needed him to. So like, I said trending in the right direction. Very productive. And we'll see how he does. We'll talk about tyrod Williams here in a little bit. But we'll see how he does with the likely expectation that Tiro probably lease in free agency will see how does with what you would assume will be a larger role in the offense in more opportunities to make plays. Yep. Okay. So let's go ahead and get into it. And before we get into internal free agents. Let's do a little house cleaning. If you will. We'll talk about restructures some cuts and some extensions. Let's go ahead and start with restructures. And as we'll do it. This is what we would do in terms of restructures and cuts and extensions. And when we get into all those players, we'll talk about whether we think the chargeable do it as well. And then we'll do the same getting into free agents. So let's start with restructures any players if you're playing GM Jamie here any players you're going to restructure this off-season. Yes, I have to. So my first restructure is Philip and this is going to sound a little bit like an. Attention. And I guess technically is but it falls under a restructure because of a loophole in the way that teams have been restructuring contracts lately. So the way this basically works is the charger will go to Philip chargers. Go to Philip and say, hey, we want attack two years onto your deal. But we wanna keep you under the terms of your current deal for twenty nineteen and at on twenty twenty and twenty twenty one as a quote unquote extension and what they do is. They take the bonus money. From twenty nine thousand nine hundred thirteen million dollars in bonuses in twenty nineteen or twelve excuse me twelve million dollars in bonuses in twenty nineteen and you take five million dollars of his base salary and twenty nineteen which is eleven million dollars. And you roll that into a new bonus for a new deal and you sign him to a two year, quote, unquote extension. We're fifty million dollars with twenty five million dollars in guarantees. So basically you reduce his base salary and twenty nine thousand nine from eleven million dollars to six million dollars. He would wind up getting base salaries of nine and a half million dollars in each of the next two years, then you would have twenty five million dollars in quote, unquote, new guarantees which would be pro rated or spread evenly over all three years of quote, unquote, new deal at an annual cost of eight point eight million three hundred thirty three thousand. Three hundred thirty three dollars per year. So you wind up looking at Philip making fourteen million little over fourteen fourteen three. Fourteen million three hundred thirty three thousand three hundred thirty three dollars and twenty thousand nine and then each of the next two years he'd make seventeen million eight hundred thirty three thousand three hundred thirty three dollars you wind up saving the team. Eight almost eight point seven million dollars against the cap in two thousand nineteen by doing things this way, you get him for two years, you save yourselves almost nine million dollars seems like a win win Philip gets two more years. He still getting the same money. He would have been getting in twenty nine thousand nine just spread out over the life of the deal team gets cap relief. Basically everybody wins and they get to put hopefully put more talent around him to help get over the hump next year. So that's what I would do. There's probably a pretty good chance. The chargers approach something like this. And I think something gets done with Philip because he's always been willing to make these kinds of concessions for the team when he has to to to bring more talented. Yeah. That's actually my one and only restructure same exact thing you'd tack on two more years. I guess the only thing that I would add is after the twenty twenty season. I would give myself a Ripcord just in case, you know, Philip rivers is getting up there. And he's looks. He's ready to go in two thousand nineteen twenty twenty hopefully doesn't fall apart. But if the wheels come off, you know, he's at that age where it could just fall off a cliff and fall fast. So it'd be nice to get that little Ripcord to let's go did it and rivers current contract. So it'd be nice covered. Just in case. That's the only thing I would add, and that's a little bit more specific than just you know, pro renting bonuses and everything you're talking about. So I would do the same exact thing. And you know, this gives to let's go the opera. We're talking about to make some moves. I mean, this might be the season if not this season next season, we're less got push ships in he's got to start making that run. I mean, there's if you're talking about a window where the charters have the Super Bowl window. They have a window right now as small as it could be because rivers is old age. Now that he's got to put some more talent around him, and they have got to push for that Super Bowl run. So to give them almost nine million dollars this year to play around with it gives to Lasco extra cash to make some power moves. We'll talk about some cuts that will free up some more cash. But yeah, I think adding on a couple more years rivers is a big deal before he gets the free agency. And it takes care of business gives them extra money. Now gives them some time to put some players around rivers while they still can. So that's the restructure. I would do as well. What's your second? Restructure? My second restructure is something kind of similar with Russell. Oh kuhn. Not a huge restructure, not a big change. But you know, he's got two years left on his contract. What I would do. And this is kind of a loophole. The teams have been using for the last few years is I would go to him and I would pitch. Converting four million dollars in his base salary for twenty nineteen into a signing bonus. What that does is it basically wipes out the existing contract creates a new two year contract and its place and the four million dollars that you convert to a bonus money winds up being pro rated over the two years. So while you're taking four million dollars off of his twenty nine hundred salary. What you're really doing is. You are saving yourself two million dollars in twenty nineteen via the probation. So Kuhn is do a thirteen million dollar based salary and twenty nineteen. So if you convert four million of that too bonus on a new quote unquote, new restructure deal. He want you wind up reducing his his base pay to eleven million dollars, and you would wind up producing his cap number from just under sixteen million dollars to just under fourteen million dollars and save the team two million. Hello, I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation, and I wanna tell you about my new show. It seems mart. It's same smart as a show about. People doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Oku is one of mine, and I get moving the money around for. I do actually like the way his contract is set up. He's definitely going to be the tackle that the left tackle going into two thousand nineteen. But if for whatever reason twenty twenty he falls apart somehow, it costs team two point five million to cut him and the team will say thirteen point five million. So saving money is always a plus when you can move the bonus around they did set themselves up nicely for this Okuno deal. Yeah. They did. They basically set it up as a two year deal. Even if they were to cut them this year, which they won't. But if they were going to, you know with that thirteen million dollar based salary, and he's got a cap number of just under sixteen million. And I think he's got five million dollars in bonuses left, you'd still save ten million dollars. If you cut him this year as opposed to next year. So yeah, they've got a couple of opportunities to cut him. If he if he really starts to take a nosedive in terms of production. So that was another. One of those coupon clipping deals by two Lesko where he did a really good job of getting somebody, you know, on a backloaded deal where they can cut him halfway through the deal or three or three years into a four year deal and save themselves some money. Yeah. Yeah. Nice little safety net there at the end of that contract. I liked it. All right. So you and I are both restructuring Philip rivers deal. We're giving him two more years. We agree on that. And then you are also going to move some money around for Russell Kun. So let's go ahead and just move onto outright, cutting guys. We've restructured guys we like guys we want to get some more money moved around. Now, we're getting rid of the we're cutting the fat trimming it now here, so I've got three and I'll go ahead and start in the first ones, I think they're all pretty easy. But the first one is Travis Benjamin Benjamin set to make six point five million dollars by cutting Benjamin it costs one point two five million. The team saves five point two five million Benjamin was initially signed to be that wide. Receiver to next to Keenan Allen. And he was going to be the savior on special teams. He's now wide receiver four behind Keenan Allen, Mike, entira Williams. He losses returner spot. The chargers cannot spend six point five million dollars on a gadget player who had less than twenty touches on offense last season. Now, I know there were some vital catches in Kansas City. But even so Benjamin couldn't be on the roster next year, and you've got guys like Arteta, Scott. And Jeremy Davidson even the sixth round pick. Dylan can't tro who could also possibly fill that roller fight for that wide receiver four maybe low in three spots. So depending on what to do with tyrel. So there are guys on this roster that they can re-sign or that may fill in that spot. But you gotta cut the fat here. Benjamin is nothing. More than your gadget player. Does not warrant. The roster spot now special end specially not the money. So I'm cutting Travis Benjamin Benjamin is also one of my. Cuts. I would do this in a heartbeat without thinking twice if I was Tom Tillis go just makes too much sense to say five and a quarter million dollars by eating a million in quarter. You mentioned it. He had those two big catches in Kansas City. And in my opinion, those two big catches in Kansas City. They justified him being on the team in two thousand eighteen but it was not enough to justify keeping him around for twenty nineteen. I think the one thing that scares me here is this feels like a foregone conclusion, or at least it should be. However, we're going to talk about tyrel here, we keep teasing this. We're gonna talk about Tiro Williams here in a few minutes. I don't think he's going to be back. And if he is not back, I would not put a pass the chargers to convince themselves that there will be more opportunity for Travis and that they are more comfortable having him here as a quote unquote, veteran leader in the wide receiver group, and they just continue to. Rider die so to speak with Travis without objectively evaluating him in realizing that he does not have a spot on this team. I hope it doesn't happen. But he's a guy like I would say if you're talking about chances of getting cut it's probably fifty fifty because I think tyrod leaving is going to spook them into keeping Travis. I hope I'm wrong. But that's just my gut feeling. No, it's a real possibility. And there's some other moves that might spark some other moves on the roster as well. There's kind of a some moving pieces that could come along and spark some other move. So we'll talk a little bit. Give me your second cut. My second cut is. And this is in my opinion. The most likely to happen is Cory it. Leauge? It is do he has kept number of nine and a half million this year. He has a dead money number of a million half. That's what's left on his pro rated bonus on his contract. If you recall last year after it was nounce that he was suspended for the PD for probably positive for PD's team went to him, and they renegotiated his contract, and they basically moved. All the money that was to him in twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen convoked converted a bunch of it to bonus converted a bunch of it to base pay and they eliminated his twenty twenty twenty year of his contract, which was supposed to be the final year of his contract. So in my opinion, they seriously considered cutting it last off season and went to him and said, hey, you're gone or we can chop your salary down make it so that we're not paying anything in twenty eighteen while you're suspended, and then we're gonna partways next year. And I think that's kind of how this is setting up. So I think he is the most likely one to get cut. It would save team eight million dollars. It makes a lot of sense. You know, he's it's not so much that he's old. It's just that. He's not as productive as they envisioned him being when they signed him to the contract. Now, you're having guys like Damian square and areas Filon step up behind him at assume larger roles in the defense. He's just not the. Contributor. They thought he'd be into continuing to pay him nine and a half million dollars my opinion. It just doesn't make sense they can win without him. They can be extremely productive without him on defense. They just don't need them. So I think he's the most likely one to go. On the flip side of that. You mentioned moves that could trigger other moves or non moves on this roster. The chargers have to their defensive tackles. So I just mentioned file on square free agents, actually three of them. Excuse me. Also, Brandon me being free agent and me being we're we'll talk about him here shortly. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires, and if he retires depending on what happens with file and square, you could see the charters in a similar situation to the one that they're in with Travis Benjamin where they say we kind want to keep the veteran around. Maybe we restructure give him another year move some money around again to buy us time and kind of kick the can down the street. So that could happen. I don't think it will. But there's a slight chance if I was going to handicap him getting cut I'd say probably eighty five fifteen seventy five eighty twenty somewhere in that range that he gets cut. But there is there is a chance there that they could kick the can down the street and another year. Depending on what happens with the other three defensive tackles on the roster. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a domino effect. We'll see how it goes. But Corey lesions on my list to save an eight million dollars would be a would be very good for time to let's go as a big chunk of change. And while he played pretty well this year, still wore the price tag, and you know, with Filon and square who both reagents. They also were ready to get rid of them after drafting Justin Jones, in my opinion. I mean, he theoretically could take over for legion the interior they spent a high draft pick on them. That's why they wanted them in the interior. So I think the plan is already in place if somehow all these defensive tackles escape the chargers, and they have no depth. Then they'll probably be stuck with Leauge it like with Travis Benjamin. But yeah, I think Leauge it is the most likely to get cut of the group so far my last cut is probably the least likely cut but somebody I would make a cut in a heartbeat. Necessarily will die die has the potential out in his contract. This off season teams decide not to pull the trigger. He's locked into a two year to twelve point five million dollar deal. No doubt that a die was the weak link on defense. He's been squeezed out of a strong safety spotlight during James, he can't hang it free safety, which means his DB spot is gone. I would cut a die say the team five million dollars another extra chunk of change. If you spend a free agency, and there's just too many bodies in that group, and I think dis odd man out the team loves a die, the probably won't cut him. But they should. Yeah. He's my last cut as well. Pretty much everything you said he is not an NFL free safety. He was a pretty average NFL strong safety, and he's been out classed by Derwin James already. But Tom to us go recently said that he thinks that Jalil die is a tone setter for the defense. I don't know if you wanna call guy who misses tackles and can't run and can't cover a tone center, but that's what they call them. So they obviously think there's some value there. And I don't think they'll cut him. I think I would do it. I think most transit do it in a heartbeat. But based on the way that less goes talked about him based on the way that Lynn talked about him throughout the season and defended him throughout the season. I do not think they will cut him. I think they will keep him around what they might try to do is kind of foot flop roles for him and Adrian Phillips, assuming they resigned Phillips and try to get a die back in the box in that dime linebacker type role in the middle of the field is he actually looked decent in that role in the playoffs when they need him down. And they had Ray Sean Jenkins back at free safety at times. So that's a possibility to look out for. But unfortunately, I think we're stuck with the diet for the duration of his contract because the team has convinced themselves that he's a leader atone center and people feed off of him. And I guess they're just not watching tape. So that's we're stuck with. All right. Well, we've gone over restructures gone over cuts. Let's talk about contract extension. So if you look forward to twenty twenty there are a list of pretty good players. Philip rivers is on that list. But in our scenario, we've already gave him a restructure and gave him a couple more years. But also on that list is Joey Bosa hunter Henry Melvin Gordon. Mike pouncey you given any of these guys extensions. Well, both is going to get a fifth year. He's going to exercise the option after twenty twenty see don't have to worry about him yet. So you have one hundred Henry who's a free agent after the twenty thousand nine season if I was going to extend any of the guys on this list. Henry it'd be the one, but I think they'll probably wind up easy transition tag on him to kind of lock him down and get more time to go sheet with him kind of like what they did. With Melvin Ingram. A couple of seasons ago. Details Brown is free agent after twenty nineteen I think it can wait and see on him. Melvin Gordon is a free agent after twenty nineteen when his fifth year option expires. I think they'll franchise him. And I think they'll kind of go year to year with him. I don't think they're going to give him a big multi year deal. He's he's played. I think one complete season in the NFL and four years the knees are kind of bulky and they keep bringing in running backs behind him. So I'm not sure that they are fully committed to making him that guy in the backfield in terms of paying him. Who else is on that list might pouncey is free after twenty nineteen. He's a guy his age. I think you can wait and see with him. So if there was one guy I was going to I would extend its hunter Henry, but I think Henry and Gordon are controlled with the franchise tag and the transition tags, and I don't think there's anybody on that list whose contract expires after the twenty thousand nine season who you have to rush to sign, and I think they'll be in better shape with more money to work with in twenty twenty to try to get something like that done. So I don't I'm not extending anybody, and I don't expect them to either aside from restructuring rivers contract, right? I think I said the twenty twenty free agent class, but I was looking at Bosa, but yeah. Two thousand nineteen. Yeah. I think of that list. I think you're right. I think contra Henry is the guy you'd resign. But also you have to kind of wait and see. And I think a transition tag would be nice option. Gordon pouncey both have their injury pass than I don't know if you have to jump on that. Train early. So I think you wait and see with Henry, and Gordon and sif pouncey can hold up another year. Also getting idea of what Gordon's looking for. So there's nobody I think you've got to jump out in front of maybe Philip rivers, if you were really nervous about it. But we talked about him getting a restructure in our theoretical situation. So yeah, I agree with you there, and I think joy Bosa gets tagged. I don't think there's any debate about that when he becomes a free agent. So let's go ahead and talk about these internal free agents. We're going to do restricted free agent exclusive rights free agents and unrestricted free agents. We'll go ahead and start with the loan restricted free agent. And that is the corner Trevor Williams, so I went back and forth on this one. I do expect the chargers to retain him. And I would retain him. The question is how you value him devalue him based on the season he had twenty seventeen or are you concerned that he is more like what he looked like in twenty. Eighteen so there are three options here as a restricted free agent. There is a what it's called a writer first refusal tender there is a second round tender and first round tender the right of first refusal tender is a one year fully guaranteed two million forty five thousand dollar contract. Second year is shade over three million. And I'm sorry. A second round is shared over three million. And the the first round tender is almost four and a half million. So I think you look at Trevor you figure he's probably better than what he showed in twenty eighteen is he really is good as what he showed in twenty seventeen hard to tell right now. I think the charters probably assume that he was just hampered by the injuries, and is better than what he shows they will tend to him. I'm tendering him with a low low round right of first refusal tender one year two point zero four five million dollars. I would be entirely surprised at the chargers place a second round tag on him. I just think it's overkill for him. I think they can protect their rights and and keep him in in town with that the writer first, refusal tender. Yeah, I would retain Trevor Williams. I think the team does. Well, I went back and forth on this as well between second round tender and a right to first refusal, and I go with the second round tender. I think it gives you a comparable pick. It's not that big of a difference between the two, and you know, this is theoretically your CB three now with Michael Davidson, Casey Hayward. Maybe there's a team that loved his seventeen tape so much. They're willing to take a swing and if so you you got a pretty good picking deal. So we talked about defensive tackle. And the Domino's like a full there. We talked about wide receiver same thing. And those dominoes this is another one because if they do end up doing the, right? First refusal and somebody loves Trevor William seventeen tape and gives him a deal. It's a little bit too rich, you then lose your borderline corner to depending on what they think he will be in camp going into two thousand nineteen maybe he competes with Michael Davis. I'd like to see that going into camp. But then if you lose him, then I think the team starts to think about Jason Brett at that point. But again, we'll get to that in a little bit. Either way. I think you'd like to keep Williams in house you compete with Michael Davis winner gets the to roll you got a second round tender, you get some more than reasonable compensation back. If a team takes a swing. So I want to retain Trevor Williams of my scenario, and I think the team does. Well, I think it'll be on the roster in two thousand eighteen I agree. I think he's definitely on the rosters to question. Like, I said of how do they value him? Okay. So now, we move onto exclusive rights free agents, and there's three of them. These are players with two years of. NFL experience the charters can either tender player with qualifying offer keeping them on the team or not tend to the player making them an unrestricted free agent and eligible sign with any other team. So we'll start with the first one on this list, and it is defensive in is it Rochelle. And I think this is an easy. One Rochelle was third on the team in sacks had his best year today with the versatility run him as the five Tekere flip them inside when they want some speed. I think you offer shell the qualifying offer keep them on team as part of your stable pass rushers. The charter drafted him develop them. He was a vital part of that defensive line rotation last year. So I think the team agrees with me, I think Rochelle will be back, and they will tend to him. I think they will tend to also think you're probably looking based on what these exclusive rights free agents got last year think you're probably looking at a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of seven hundred to seven hundred and fifty thousand. And I think they definitely keep these these exclusive rights free agents are almost always retained because they're cheap and it's for one year. And it doesn't cost you anything. So Rachelle was really good last year. He thrived as three tech. And as a five tech played some base end. Like you mentioned third team in sacks. I think he was he was definitely better than I thought he would be took a huge leap from last year from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen and I expect him to be back, and I expect him to probably have a larger role one way or another on that defensive line as a rotational piece. So. No, very little risk if any and keeping him, and I think it's really just an easy decision. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I think an easy one. So next exclusive rights free agents on this list is wide receiver Arteta's Scott again, I think Scott stays he was going to make the roster before he hurt his ankle. And the final preseason game. He was looking good returning punts and kicks look really good as a wide receiver. He was a consistent. Target on third down was making huge plays a sharp route runner. Maybe one of the better route runners of all the wide receivers on the team right now. He just he looked like he was prime for big season before he got hurt. So again, one year seven hundred fifty thousand what do you have to lose bring him back? Hopefully, he can chase Travis Benjamin off the roster one way or another and another easy decision for me. Yeah. Same here. Man. Scott had an impressive camp and preseason before going down in that last game. The pre. Preseason. That was brutal man to go down in the way. He did. And being such a good player and looking to really take that next step. We didn't really have high hopes for Scott. But he looked good in the preseason. And camp this is a low risk and best become some wide receiver competition. I'm offering Scott the qualifying offer. I think the team does as well. I mean, he was on his way to beating out both Jeremy Scott and Dylan Cantrell for that wide receiver five role on the roster. So I think the team keeps them as well. And with the uncertainty of tyrod Williams, and maybe even Travis Benjamin future on the team. The gotta get some depth in camp. Anyway, this is very low risk. It's under a million dollars. You have them for another year. I think they will keep our table Scott in house as well. I agree. So last one on this list is the center Cole toner. I've been pretty indifferent. Here toner was the depth signing, but was inactive. Every game. But one I would think there might be potential players bring into camp on the line that might be better. But again, this is a low risk. And I think the team brings them back. I would too I guess they he was one of the team's best fifty three players. So you might as well bring him back as interior office of line depth into camp. It's under a million dollars. Why not? Yeah. I was also in different. But you know, you look at the offense of wine pouncey kind of regret at the end of the year fiend in play very well. Scofield didn't play very well. The second half of the year. Toner is a center. He's listed as a center is tackle by trade. He's played guard. He's a guy who could maybe sneak into the ninth or tenth offense of lineman role in camp. If he has a really good camp. I think there are probably better options out there. And I think they will bring in other options. But you know, there's no riskier, even if you wind up cutting doesn't really cost anything. So I think he's back. I don't think they really think twice about it. Like, I said, these exclusive rights reagents, they're almost always brought back because of how cost control they are. So I think that's what happens here. We've agreed on everything so far. Let's go ahead and move onto unrestricted free agents and we'll start with the linebacker, Denzel Perryman. I think the charters will try to resigned Enzo paramount. I think they will probably try to resign him on a one year. Prove it kind of deal. I think. I think it's gonna be tough to get him to resign. A one year deal though, I would be surprised if he could find a two or three deal somewhere else. I think he probably thinks he's worth more than a one year deal and probably winds up walking. And I'm okay with that. I mean, you're talking about a guy who is much as I like him and I loved him in the draft process when he came out he has yet to play a full year as in the NFL he is not very good as a coverage linebacker. He offers very little as Blitzer really his only strength is as an enforcer in the run game and even that is kind of questionable as even the best linebacker on the team right now. So I know the charters value him they think of him as a leader they think of him as a physical presence. I'm a little worried about the injuries mounting and kind of seeing a slow developing Donald Butler kind of situation here where the injuries eventually take their toll and kind of zap him of his his physical prowess physical Bill. So. Yeah. Scary. Oh, man. So I think they try, but I think it comes up short, and he wants finding a bigger deal. Elsewhere, and I'm not offering much money to be honest with you. I have a one year three and a half million dollar deal here with very limited with very limited signing bonus and a whole lot of incentives. So I think he eventually winds up walking because that offer that I- I despite them trying I don't think he's back. This is interesting because you know, in the four years he hasn't had a healthy season and while being tagged this tackle machine he's never had over seventy one tackles on the season. So it's not like he's racking up these big numbers. And he's playing in a position might I add where guys really do rack up those numbers. So in two thousand seventeen the run defense was substantially better when Perriman was healthy this past season. The charters did better without him. Perriman injury vaulted Adrian Phillips play and the defense followed suit. So I think the injuries of her Perryman stock, and he's looking I'm sure at a deal in that three to four million dollars a year is probably looking at a two to three year deal. And I'm pretty torn here. If that's the going rate, I would want a Ripcord after the first year, and I wanna backloaded so that you can. Perriman. If needed I will say, I'm okay with them signing Denzil paramount. I'm really torn here. I went back and forth. But I think the team is definitely re-signing Perryman with how your ended with so many linebackers going down until let's go talk about how linebacker is going to be a focal point this off season. I think they bring back Denzel who was the captain the defense like you talked about and they're going to need more bodies. I think tha Lesko whatever real steep hill the climb if they do let Perriman go. So, you know, I don't know. Are they going to let Perriman go and pick up two maybe three linebackers in the offseason, that's a lot. So I I'm inclined to say that I would pick up Perryman. And I definitely think the charters will. Yeah. I could see going that way. I just think it's more prudent to let them go. And I'm not sure they're gonna be comfortable offering them a two or three or deal. So I think that's a alternately what costs in the upper twenty to sign him. I think he will get it to three or from somewhere else. And I would say if someone's willing to give him a two or three or deal. More power to them. I like him. But I mean, I think if you watch tape of him this year, you see guys like a like Phillips coming downhill and making tackles, and it seemed like paramount was sticking to blockers more than it has in the past. And he wasn't coming downhill as much he wasn't reacting as fast, so that those are the kind of things that you saw and Butler before he signed his contract and fell off a cliff. I don't think Paramount's quite as bad as Butler was at that point. But I think there are some warning signs. I think you've gotta be careful. I'm just worried that he can't stay healthy, and the the repeated leg injuries knees ankles, all the stuff, I just think it's it's worrisome for a guy who is in the middle of the field and taking having to take on blockers and taking hits you just got to be really careful what you do with him. Because if you come back to bite, you if you're too overzealous and signing him. Or you could just flat out get stuck with somebody who can't play anymore. So you've got to be careful. Yeah. And that's why I'm only reciting Perryman in my scenario if there is that Ripcord after year one, so it's a sensually one year deal. But you know, with that out if you need it. So all right. So good. We got different opinions there on the first one. And this next one will actually probably agree. The next one is tyrod Williams the wide receiver. And of course, he had the breakout thousand yard season in sixteen the artist has slipped every subsequent season this past season. We saw a very vast improvement in that contested catches area. Which was really a weak point for him throughout his career for the chargers. Tyra Williams is really the wide receiver three right now. You got Keenan Allen and Mike Williams going forward, you hope Mike grows into that wide receiver to roll. The question becomes how much is a wide receiver three worth. He's gonna make ten plus million dollars the free agent wide receiver class has Randall Cobb goal. Tate. Take on awesome at the top, those aren't marquee names. So Tyra Williams will get his money in this week free agent class, and you're going to have to overpay to get him. I like tyrel I think he's growing his receiver. But it's going to be way too rich for my taste and the rule of thumb here on these podcasts for me, you don't overpay for wide receiver a running back of free agency. So I would not resign Tyra Williams at that cost. I would look towards the draft in the middle rounds for wide receiver. You can give the rookie Dylan Cantrell shot or tavis, Scott, maybe some other guys too. But I would not resign. Tyrod Williams, I think the team tries to do it. And they try to resign tyrod Williams because Thom Tillis co did say tyrod Williams has earned his next contract. But ultimately are these going to be outbid by another team that needs wide receiver help they will overpay for them? And I think the charters will have to just duck out at that point. So I would not resign tyrod Williams, and I think the charters try, but ultimately get. Outbid how do you define try? I think they're going to come in with a pre ball offer and get blown out of the water because they can't afford to pay Benjamin anti-royal, and I'm not convinced Benjamin go, so I had the charters letting him go I'm letting him go. You could have Dallas bidding on another wide receiver. The colts might be looking for a receiver. The Niners are going to be looking for somebody for Jimmy G to throw to there are all kinds of teams that are in need of wide receiver help that market's gonna get drawn driven up like crazy when I look at the cops. I think you're looking at people like Paul Richardson, Quincy, noon wa entire it as solid comps for tyrel. And I think he tops those guys because of his ability to stretch the field and his size. And I think he's I think he's looking at a four year deal somewhere in the neighborhood of forty to fifty million with fifteen to eighteen million guaranteed, which are crazy numbers. And I just don't think you can justify paying him that as the chargers as a, you know. Co number two or number three wide receiver. I just don't think it can justify it. So I like Tiro I loved him when they signed him as an undrafted free agent. I think he's come a long way. I don't necessarily think that his dip in production is his fault. I mean that first year, you know, he was playing without Keenan teens back the last two years that's had a lot to do with his his different production. They also the back Salat they throw to Michael what there's a lot of options to throw to. I I it's hard to spread the ball around. So I don't think it's all his fault. I think is numbers will probably go up somewhat in a new offense is the number one guy a clear cut number one guy. But I don't think he's a number one receiver, and he seems to think he is. So I think he's gone. And I think the chargers realize that you know, they can go draft somebody use one hundred three young receivers to replace him in a similar role, and they'll be fine. So, unfortunately, I think Tirol was gone. He has earned his new contract. But it's just not going to be here. Okay. So next up these safety slash db slash linebacker Adrian Phillips. I'm reciting Adrian Phillips the team I think is definitely reciting Adrian Phillips. He is. I think you could make a case that Adrian is the second most important person on that defense, or at least was down the stretch next to Derwin James, certainly top three with James and Bosa. He was phenomenal and the growth. That he showed this year was just incredible in terms of playing linebacker running with tyreek hill and the second Kansas City game. He ran with Jerry cook cover all kinds of tight ends. I mean, he does everything in the middle of that defense. And he is arguably the smartest if not the second smartest guy on the defense. So he's homegrown. He's been with the team for five years. They're going to want to keep them. I think they're even going to be willing to overpay to keep him. And he is going to get paid. You know as a all pro special teams player a Pro Bowl special teams player. He was first team all football writers. On special teams. He was also fantastic on defense. The numbers are going to get a little crazy. I think you know, they're going to look. They're gonna look at Jalil die kind of set the floor the contract, they gave a die. They're going to start there. And it's going to go up. And I think you're probably looking ultimately it calms from Darian Stewart the safety vents Williams linebacker for the Steelers and Todd Davis the linebacker for. The Broncos as guys who were solid cops for what Adrian's going to get. And I think you're looking at something and narrow it of. Four years twenty six and a half million dollars with eight and a half million guaranteed. And that is a mouthful for a guy who we were debating last year. Should they even bring him back as an exclusive rights free agent? As now wasn't as exclusive rights free agent. But we were talking about him as an undrafted free agent, excuse me. And we went back and forth on should they offer him one year three years, and should it be two million three million? Now, we're talking about him getting up to seven million dollars a year. So he has come a long way he is earned it. And he is one of three guys that I would say they absolutely have to resign. If they're going to have a successful off-season. Yeah. I would say Adrian Phillips is probably priority. Number one in free agency for the chargers. At least in my book the impact on the field on defense special teams. He got that Pro Bowl nod like you mentioned the progression man, just continues to grow the versatility really makes them commodity on this defense and the mini shaves. His defense can take with him on the field. So I know Phillips technically a starter on the roster. But he logs those starter snaps because he's a db plane linebacker. He might not he kinda might be peculiar fit for another. Team. So the charters might be lucky in that respect in that some teams might not know what to do with them because he's kind of almost out of position it can do so many things, but nobody knows quite what he is. So I would resign Adrian Phillips. I had five million dollars a year. That's a little less than you did for years. So that's a big jump from the one year one point five million dollar contract this off season. So this is an easy move to make for the chargers again like I mentioned with the linebackers. If they don't sign Denzel Perryman resetting Adrian Phillips in essence gives you a player that could fill a spot in linebacker spot. So kinda relieved some pressure there too as well. So this is priority. Number one for me agent films has got to get resigned. And I think the turtles will do it to. Agreed. So then we move onto cornerback Jason variet- and after Pro Bowl season in two thousand fifteen Jason threat has played five. Five games in three years. He's only had twenty five total games in his five year career last year. The team was having a hard time. Figuring out a spot for variet- with Hayward and Trevor Williams desma king as the starters going into camp. Michael Davis ended up getting the nod as the starting corner opposite Casey Hayward and he finished out the season strong. So with Hayward king Davis and presumably Trevor Williams who I think though, retain the quarterback group is just too crowded. The teams knows it can't depend on to be healthy. I would not resign. Jason Brett, I think the chargers are good as long as they can get Trevor Williams back again like I mentioned earlier if they don't for whatever reason get Germanwings back in that building. Then I think they start to consider it. But you even throw in a guy like Brandon face on the team likes that CB group is just too crowded. So I wouldn't resigned Jason red. And ultimately, I don't think the team does either Thomas. Let's go said there. Considering bringing back Jason Brett. But by the sounds of it it's going to be like, a take it or leave a type deal probably a one year, low end moneywise and see if he'll take it and bite but other than that. I don't think they end up pertaining it, and I think some team will bet on his upside and look fifteen tape and what he could be and not the player that we've seen get injured year after year after year. Yeah, I agree. I would not keep him. I wouldn't even offer them a contract to be honest with you, you know, five games in three years. They paid almost nine million dollars last year to spend the year on the training table after he got hurt during a conditioning test for crying out loud. I the first time he ran to time. He ran he tore his achilles tendon. So I mean that look he's he's talented player. And we all want him to succeed would have been great. If he could have stayed healthy and been productive. But it just hasn't happened. And these are concerns that people had about him when he was coming out was that he was too small, and he wouldn't hold up and they've proven to be true. And I've seen people saying give him one more chance. You know? He's going to stay healthy. He's going to be a star. You know, I mean, I'm going to pick in an open wound here. But for me saying he's going to stay healthy. And he's going to be a star waiting for that to happen is kind of like waiting for Gus Bradley blitz. Tom Tom Brady and a playoff game is just not going to happen. So I'm done. I'm moving on. I can't take it anymore. It's time to stop wasting money and wasting time and hoping for something that's never gonna happen to happen. So I'm moving on. And I think that the cashier is, you know, they're gonna offer a one year deal with very little guarantees if any it's gonna be pretty much all base, our maybe with some incentives, and you start looking around at cornerback contracts. DJ Hayden had a very similar injury history before he signed a three year nineteen million dollar deal with Jacksonville last off season. And I think that's the cop for for Jason. Brett, maybe a little lighter than that. But something similar to two three years. No. Guarantees big base salary where he's going to have to earn his money every year. And I just don't think you can justify it. I think you know, what I there's enough data there to know what to expect and to continue to do the same thing and hope for different results the definition sanity. So let's end the insanity and just move on. And I think the chargers will throw them a bone and offering a contract because they feel bad and they wanted to work out. But I think he's gonna wind up playing somewhere else for more money than they're comfortable offering him, and that's fine with me. Yeah. And this is the conversation. We had this time last year with Jason Brett, you know, whether he should stick around for another year or not, and we said, you know, when is enough enough and everybody kept saying give him one more year one more year. Well, he had that year. And he got injured on the first drill. He ever ran in the offseason. So it's done. It's over. I don't think the team resigns, and I wouldn't either. So let's go ahead and move on. And the next guy is guy you've mentioned a couple of times here. Is defensive tackle. Darius Filon file on guy. We're big fans of him on this podcast is everybody knows. He's been playing very well got off to a slow start in his career. But really has picked up his game each of the last two years, and in my opinion, he's the most consistent and most reliable defensive tackle on this roster. He is I mentioned Adrian Phillips as being one of three players. They have to resign Filon is one of those players as well. They have to bring him back. I believe they will. And I think there's kind of lucky here. Because even though he's the best guy on this line the best defensive tackle on this line. He is not technically a starter, quote unquote, and he has not had a huge breakout year. So he shouldn't be overly expensive. So I think they keep them. I would keep them. I think they will keep them. I don't think he's gonna cost money. I'm looking at a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of three years nine million dollars with. A little over two million dollars guaranteed. I think they use the contract that they signed Damien square to in two thousand sixteen as a baseline cop. And then they Pat it for inflation and for the role that he plays on the defense in his production. And he winds up getting an extra year a little bit more money and more guarantees than than square did. But I would bring him back. And I think they'll bring him back. I'd be surprised if they don't. Yeah. Same here. And if Adrian Philps priority number one, I think dairies file on a close second proven to be a better defensive tackle starter. Corey Leauge it maybe one of the best defensive tackles on the chargers roster in general, and it's really grown as a pass rusher from a spot he collected four and a half sacks four sacks last two seasons. Not only creating pressure, but has anchored pretty well on the run game to file on is continuing to grow each year developed into a key piece on that defensive interior with questions about Corey Leauge it going forward, I think the team and. I agree here on Filon. They drafted him develop them. He's still rising. I think considering his age he might get a four year deal. I would probably a three year deal. But you're about in the neighborhood. I'll give him about three million dollars a year. So the next defense tackle here is Brandon me bang now. I agree with you that there might be a chance that he retires here. But I think me being has meant more to this team in the locker room than his production on the field. And for what he is me being did enough tell what the run game at times. But at thirty four I just don't see the point and bringing him back. The team drafted Justin Jones, they drafted him. Hi, who's going to be the replacement on the tier where Lesko said he could play anywhere from zero to three tech. So they envisioned him kicking inside too. So, you know, while I sympathize with what happened with me being this season with the death of his infant daughter. And I can't even imagine what he had to deal with their. I think ultimately the team. Moves on finds a replacement elsewhere. And I think Brandon Bain hangs it up. I could see the team maybe signing him for another year. Just because of his impact is a leader. But I wouldn't do it. And I don't think the charters would. But I think they're thinking about maybe one more year if he doesn't retire. Yeah. So I think this is one of those moves that they leave the ball on BBN's court to be honest. I expect him to retire. We've been critical of me bane on this show for the last couple of years and to be perfectly honest. He exceeded my expectations this year. I thought when he was on the field. He played very well. You can go back to both of the ravens games at the end of the season where he basically dominated the scrimmage and was a huge part of what they did up front. He seemed to get better this year as opposed to the last couple years where it seemed like he was wearing down toward the middle of the season. And he is they view him as leader. They view him as leader on and off. The field and guys look up to him. And he must be after what he went through this year to come back for the last couple games of the season. He must be quite the inspiration for a lot of guys on that team. And I'm sure there's some part of him that still wants to be in the locker room, but just on a basic human level. As a father of two little girls. If one of my girl's passed away early. I'd be devastated, and I'd be looking to spend as much time as I could with my family. So the meetings live in Nebraska, so an awful long way from Los Angeles. I just think they put the ball in his court. And I think he ultimately decided to retire. I am this is not a production base thing. This is not an age base thing. This is just a gotta do what's best for your family kind of thing. And I think that's what he winds doing if they wind up signing him for a year. I wouldn't be too upset about it. I think he can still play a rotational role. I just can't imagine going through what he went through with his daughter McKenna. And I hope he and his family are doing well. And I hope everything works out for them. But my guess is he retires and they kind of play a wait and see game with him. And let him make the call that we're kind of on the same page there. I don't think he's back. But I don't think it's necessarily because they don't want to bring him back. I just think he makes the call and he retires not that we're kicking him while he's down. But you know, he's going through an unbelievable. I mean, I can't even wrap my head around what happened to him during the season. And the fact that it came back and played. That's why I think just his presence in the locker might just bring him back for another year. But ultimately, I think you know, with what's going on with his family and everything and being thirty four. I think he just hangs it up. So we'll see. But I would not resign. Brandon me Bain if they do I'm kind of with you there. I'm okay with it. He he has played much better than we had expected. Did let's go ahead and move on from one old man to another the stock about tied in Antonio gates. I know Tom to Lesko came out and said that he thinks gates has more touchdowns in him. And I know people are clinging to that thinking gates is going to be back. But look look just look at the facts here this team decided last year that Intel new gates couldn't help them. And the only thing that brought him back was the fact that hundred Henry got hurt with Heinrich coming back this year and Virgil green being blocking tight end. This team is in a position where they need to find another young tight end because Henry's another guy who has not played a full season since he's been in the NFL and his contract is up after this year. So they need to make a decision on him. I expected to keep him. But I also expect them to look to bring in somebody through the draft. Maybe in the middle rounds who they can develop behind him as a blocker and receiver. So I think they're going to make the same decision. They made last off season. I think it's pretty clear watching gates. Oh, he said a career high for three games without a target this season. Had I think eleven games with three or fewer catches the season. He was largely invisible showed up against the chiefs. Of course who doesn't show up against the chiefs. And look good another spots. But I mean, he's old and he's slow and they just need to get younger at that position. And it's time to move on. All good things come to an end eventually and this will too. So it's just time to move on from the hall of Famer. And I think he probably winds up paying them up. I know he said he wanted to play one more season. But my guess is if they move on he will also move on and not want to go somewhere else and start over with a new team. I mean, we went through this last off season. And again, I think it's time to move on from gates hunter Henry the starter, obviously. And to be honest, I think outside of green they have a true chance to get an impactful tied in the draft. Like, you mentioned I haven't gone in-depth on these guys yet. But just watching college football on Saturday. There should be a lot of good tight end prospects worth grabbing in the Strath especially in the middle rounds. So I would not resign gates. And again, I think like last year the team won't resign gates, and I think you're looking towards the draft when you're looking at. Another tight on this roster. Another young one who can play behind hundred Henry who has been injured quite often throughout his career. So you do need a backup plan and Virgil green in it. We saw Virgil green had his chance and proven to be nothing. More than a blocking tight end that can catch a few targets from time to time. But I think they will look towards the draft to replace him. And they will not bring back into Neo gates. So then we move onto the next nameless list, which is defensive tackle Damion square squares another guy that took a jump this year. He had his most productive year to date. The chargers moved him around a lot which I liked and something we've talked about. He's been kind of playing at a position at tackle the kicked him out to end in two thousand eighteen he's a death piece. We're told onto a my opinion really helped pitch in defensively rotation square sign a two year four million dollar deal in two thousand seventeen. So that's probably the ballpark this time to he's probably get. A one to two million dollar annually. No more than two years on the deal. I think the team resigned square to it's a good depth signing, and it makes a lot of sense. So I think they end up doing it. Yeah. I agree. I think they'll start at that two year four million dollar contract that he signed in the twenty sixteen off season. And obviously the count for some inflation and for improved production. I think he's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of two years probably five to six million. With right around a million a half to two million dollars guaranteed and he's earned it. I mean, you know, he played very well. As a starting base end after the first four games when they took Isaac Rochelle a lot of that role and put square in that role. He get a lot of the dirty work against the run was providing a pass rush off the edge looked very very good and continue to play well throughout the season. He's just one of those kind of lunch pail blue-collar hard-working guys who just always comes to play and gives you his best effort, and he does it playing multiple positions. And he's frequently playing out of position like you mentioned. So he's one of those glue guys. I think you talk about Filon you talk about Phillips you talk about square. These are all guys who are really glue guys. It really helped hold defense down when they were in trouble when Bosa was hurt. When they weren't getting production under linebackers these guys all pitched in and they all made huge contributions. And now they've earned their new deal. So I definitely think square. We'll be back. I would resign him. I think the chargers resign them. I don't think it's particularly difficult decision. And because he's twenty nine going on thirty. He shouldn't be too expensive. And you shouldn't have to sign him for more than a couple of years. So next one here. Let's talk about the linebacker Kyla manual. So I went back and forth on a manual only in that I was trying to figure out what they would do. I know what I would do. I would let Kyle Amanullah walk. I know these him as valuable piece on special teams, I've heard him referred to as a quote core special teamer, even though he was not among the top five charters tat in special teams tackles this year. I don't know that he's quite the core special teamer, they think he is. He also see him struggling coverage. He's basically only good as an edge center, which intake. Off in today's NFL. You kind of look at him as a defensive relic. He's not a pass rusher. He really shouldn't be playing in the middle of the defense. Even though they think he's a suitable backup. Mike and will. He just doesn't really have a place on this team, even as they are looking for more linebackers. So I would let him walk that said, I think the charges will resign him. I think it's not as easy decision as we might think Emmanuel made one point nine million dollars last year. I think he's going to be making somewhere between two and a half and three million this year, which is kind of scary for a guy who, you know, going in is probably going to see reduction in his snaps as Geno Novo sue continues to improve and get more snaps, and he may not even be one of the best five or six special teams on this roster. So what are you really paying him two and a half to three million dollars for that said, I think they resign them. I think it's kind of a waste of money. But I think you're looking at a two year deal or somewhere right around six million dollars about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars guaranteed, which is a whole lot of money to pay a special teams player who can't run into Mosul was drafted as successor to Kalam annual as. Gus Bradley's auto. He's very good. As you're disciplined run edge center, always been a liability coverage chargers had him standing up this year as a middle linebacker. I think that was the team trying to find a role for him. But just not having anything signing a manual make sense as a backup Sam I'm pretty torn on this depending on what the team believes his role will be because if you're saying he's your backup Sam and he's not getting a ton of snaps, then you're probably looking at two million dollar range, not that two point five three million dollar range. But I know the team loves Emmanuel. So I think it's a slam dunk for them to keep them. My fierce. They're going to run him on the field too often again, and they're gonna have a hard time relegating him to his backup role. Like, I would like so if you're talking a two year four million dollar deal for a backup Sam, I'm okay with it. I don't love it. And I think they could get better. So I am torn. But I think the team definitely brings back Alamein. Yeah. I I think there's a cost benefit analysis that has to go on here that really shit end in them not bringing him back. But I absolutely think they will. I think they're going to sell him as that, you know, a special teams stand out and the best et cetera on the team. And he's also a guy who does work very hard. And he does whatever the coaches asked him to do without really complaining. They move them around. They've had him play all three linebacker positions. So I think he's a coach's favourite kind of coaches pet and he's gonna wind up coming back on the team. And we're going to watch him getting burned in coverage and struggling to fill his role as a quote unquote starter even though he doesn't really belong on the field on defense next up is wide receiver Jeremy Davis. And this is the guy that's kinda stuck around at the bottom of the wide receiver depth chart this year. We saw his role expand on special teams. I think that with the wide receiver depth up in the air with Benjamin tyrel again, I think he earns another spot on the team going into camp. I think the team will probably agree with me. Here is a low risk. Probably little cash involve Davis earns one year seven hundred seventy thousand last off season again somewhere around a year. No more than two years somewhere. Under one million dollars is not a big commitment worth some competition in camp with the uncertainty of guys like Benjamin and tyrel. So I would resign Jeremy Davis. And I think it's easy. I think the team will resign Jeremy Davis. Well, I agree. I think he's gonna wind up being probably at least the fourth wide receiver on the team if not higher depending on what happens to Travis Benjamin. I think his special teams prowess, and he was very very good on special teams late in the year. That is what winds up keeping him on the team. I think you're looking at a deal somewhere in the neighborhood of one year eight hundred and fifty thousand with maybe one hundred thousand dollars guaranteed somewhere that range very minimal commitment sma- guarantee at basically, it winds up working out like one of those exclusive rights free agents that we talked about earlier where you're basically not paying him. Anything you bring them into camp if he sticks. Great if not you move on doesn't cost you anything. All right. So we only have a few more names left on this list for to be exact and the next one is the quarterback the backup quarterback, Gino Smith. But by I think the team is going to be looking to hand the backup quarterback job cartel Jones this year, Gino despite outplaying cartel and training camp did not look very good in the garbage time that he played in struggle with snap. Struggled making good throws. He's just. Very good. And there's really no reason to stick around with him or stick with him. So I think Gino got his one year kind of as a favor from his former of his former coach in New York, and he's going to be looking for work. Elsewhere. I do not see a reason to bring him back, and I don't think the charters will either. Yeah. I don't really care about this to be honest with you. But I went the other direction only because you know, drafting a quarterback is gonna come soon for the chargers. And if they do I like the idea of the rookie having to go through Gino Smith and Carl Jones, it's like a got lint turn that back quarterbacks not that tall task. But you know, he can win favor with two guys who the coaches seem to like especially cartel last season. Gino only got one year one million dollars. So I don't care if the kick the can again, I think the team actually signs, Gino. And the reason I think they signed him because they want to give Cardella shot at the back of quarterback spot. But they don't want to give it to him. So. So they want him to earn it. And if you've got a guy that's making a million dollars. It's not that big of a deal to cut him later. If Carnell wins it, but I think they wanna give him some competition. So I think they end up bringing, you know, Smith back, I could see it. I would too but not I'm not very passionate about it. Be honest with you. I don't even care just like the idea of having a rookie coach through Gina. Smith A cardinal Jones. I just the humor makes me bring. So let's move onto the safety. Jalen Watkins now last season, the free safety spot was up for grabs. They had Ray Sean Jacobs Jalil die desma king N, Jaylen Watkins, all competing for that last rec- spot in today. And as we always knew Jalil die can't play free safety and does king should not be playing free safety. So that's two guys ratio on Jenkins who I'm sure we'll get his chance in camp again at the free safety spot. But they never really got a great look Jaylen Watkins, he was doing pretty good camp. But they never got an extended look so Watkins would serve as a free safety depth in he can play corner. But he was also a stand out as a specialty teamer Philadelphia. So I say why not bring back Jaylen Watkins, I think the team gives him a shot to his contract was one year eight hundred eighty thousand dollars past off season. Sure. Under a million dollars again. For a year. See if he can stick. It's another low commitment, you could get some free safety deafen in there and kinda improve your special teams as well. Yeah. We're on the same page here. This is another one I don't really necessarily care about. But. We're getting down to that, partly our we're we're almost done. But. I think they bring him back. I kind of tiered back and forth. The bring them back. Do you not? I settled on letting him walk, but I'd be okay with bringing him back just because low risk potential high reward. He was a guy who was said to be having a really good camp before he got hurt in the second preseason game. There were even starting to be some whispers that he might be in the front runner to win that free safety job before he got hurt. So they liked something in him enough to bring him in the first time, they didn't get the look like you mentioned. So I think they bring him back and give them another go at it. And you know, you mentioned racial Jenkins agile and Watkins, maybe talk about moving Adrian Phillips to free safety all of this hopefully transpires to help the chargers moved delillo die out of that free safety spot and maybe use him as a backup linebacker or a dime. Linebacker and get him out of the middle of the field on the back end. So create some competition you get another look at him. Maybe help the special teams there are some advantages there. There. And I think it makes sense. So I think they resign him somewhere thousand maybe couple of hundred guaranteed very minimal outlay for potential bigger reward. Yep. Definitely, okay. Last two. First one here is Hayes Palomar the linebacker by he's gone. They basically did everything they could to avoid putting him on the field when they were out of linebackers last year. So I do not see him coming back. I mean, he he got cut. They brought him back and put them on the practice squad. He stayed on the practice squad for the majority of the season. When they finally brought him off the practice squad after they finally put because you're white on the injured reserve he hardly ever played despite being the most experienced and the biggest linebacker on the team. He couldn't see the field. So I just don't see. I don't think they see much value in him. He did not play much on special teams. I do not think he is back. Yep. I agree with you here. We were actually both apprised that who's coming out of camp. He had a pretty good preseason and offseason. So even with that. There's depth concerns a linebacker. I still don't think he's poured is coming back. I wouldn't resign Hayes plot. I don't think the team does either. And I hope they. Better options this off season. The last guy on this list. We haven't been passionate about I'm pretty passionate about Jones. And I say get the fuck outta here. Yeah. I think if the chargers learned anything this year, really that you can't bring upon her out of retirement or semi retirement for them. Jones is a forty five year old who punted like sixty last year. No, hang time, his grows planning average was pathetic is net. Punting average was pathetic. He started having issues and having his punts blocked because he was taking too long getting them out towards the end of the season. He just is not very good. And they can't go into next season. With him as the punter. I don't care. Oh, and they also brought him into whole kicks. And he bobbled the kick in play offs and cost cost. Michael badgley? What was it? Like a fifty four yard kick in in Baltimore. So if his strength was holding these bobbling bobbling snaps and he can't punt. I really don't see much reason in bringing him back. So it is time to bring somebody else in Thailand. Probably ones of getting a nice long. Look as the kickoff specialist and the punter. Hopefully, he seals it up. So we don't have to watch too much power tape. Not that I was going to watch it anyway. But Nope, I'm done. And I think the team is done. Yep. He's gone. And let's hope Tilana gets along look at punts and kickoffs. And that does it we're done. This is a long ass podcast. We didn't do one after the season. And I think we made out for because we've got to podcasts combined on this one show. Thanks, everybody for listening. I am at Garissa. Stay on Twitter. Jamie at lightning underscore around. And we will see next time. That's.

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[041] Experience the free agency hangover with Ralph and Molly

Buccaneers Observer

26:32 min | 1 year ago

[041] Experience the free agency hangover with Ralph and Molly

"Welcome to the buccaneers observer podcast as raw Phillips says Molly bay today's March twelve seven fifteen pm. I wanted to mention that. We do not have any fact checks or follow ups from last episode everything we said last week was right. What can you believe it? I'll never happening again playing the lottery, you know, what it was last episode. You don't say anything. You can't be wrong. Truth has been spoken. Those are lies words. I want to tell you the story I told you before. But there was this guy knew I knew him for about two years. He was on the same committee board, Amazon he was the treasurer. And now when I look back on this it really freaks me out that we had him as treasurer. But I thought he was one of the smartest people ever knew. Because he he rarely talked. And when he did talk his stuff made sense. I mean, this guy hardly ever talk. And then when he talked it was be short brief, and it made sense. Anyhow, I started going out with him hanging out with him and come to find out the guy was dumb as a rock and he admitted to it. And he had said that his father had told him when he was younger, son, you're stupid. So here's what you have to do. Don't talk in. When you do say, something make sure you know what you're saying. So basically think about what you're gonna say for a long time. And when you say keep it short and sweet. And that probably is smart people in jail, it should it should apply. Unfortunately, it's smart people like to run their mouths too much. What's the whole saying, it's better to be quiet and thought smart and open your mouth and be proven role? So crap like that there's a quote about that somewhere. I know I just butchered it. In fact, tech next. I'm one of those people that need to keep more motion more, maybe. Bird's. Feather hashtag me to we're almost at the end of the team Breen phased s'mores big day to put it all in stone. Yeah. All the contracts will be signed all that they're still putting that can be done after that. But tomorrow at four PM is win players can actually signed contracts. So we're we got so far. We've got Sean Jackson has gone. He has gone to the eagles for two thousand nine hundred and sixth round pick. We get from the eagles. And they get our seventh round pick in twenty twenty. So we cleared up that cap space ten million let's suspect in but never confirmed. A lot of the fans are happy about that. We'll see how that turns out. I mean, I'm kind of indifferent. Going their way. Like, I get I didn't like the effort. He put on the field last season. The in the last season. I don't know what the reason was or the lots of stuff floating out there. I don't know how much of it's true. But there's one thing that you can definitively say, and that's he did not put it all on the field for the buccaneers last season. There was quite a few times where he looked like he did not even try to catch the ball. Couple times. The ball could have been caught feuded just stuck his arm down. What even do that? Right. There was tension between him and Winston adult. No. But I would have to say they were correct just on how he acted when Fitzpatrick with the ball. He would throw it perfectly to him and the Shaun Jackson would adjust as route to get up under the ball. He would not do that at all with Winston. And I don't know if it's because Winston throws more of a channel pass. It doesn't have as much arc to it. As Fitzpatrick because I think Sean Jackson really likes that big arc. So he can get up onto the ball. And have it land right in a floater? Right. Yes. But Wisden throws it with not as much arc. So it's a little harder to catch. I disappear city. So I just wanna be clear because we've talked a lot about the whole Sean Jackson thing in the media. Giving him a hard time. I don't doubt that disown Jackson can be an asshole. I mean, he probably can that's probably like the media doesn't like him. I just don't care. I care about Hong plays on the field to knock him for personality traits that you don't like I just don't care. I care about how he plays on the field. The locker room stuff is interesting. And it means something. But it kind of bothered me that we didn't get the locker room information until a year after it happened. Apparently the Sean Jackson. This is the reports from Rick Stroud had some issues in the locker room and kicking stuff over not showing up to meetings sleep in their practice through practice all in two thousand seventeen and we didn't find out about this until random number December two thousand eighteen right? So it just it wasn't the report wasn't timely. If we known about it a year ago. What would it changed? You know? I mean, why hold onto it for that long? Yeah. It seemed like they held onto it until they wanted to run him out of town. That's the impression. The media started bombarded with all of this stuff about the Sean Jackson. I wonder if that's kind of a scapegoat situation where the teams bad they're playing that. And everyone just wants to be mad at somebody throw him under the bus. Yeah. I mean, maybe I mean how much should we not get about that players getting Pissy or sleep during practices showing up? You know, probably happens quite often. We don't hear about it right team deals with an internally rather than Aaron that dirty laundry media. The media doesn't let us know if the team doesn't want to let us know. I don't know. I don't understand why didn't formation didn't come out for a whole year. Yeah. Gone Alexander's gone. He signed with the forty Niners. You know, or boy, John Lynch county. How do you feel about online? You know? I would rather kept him than Donaldson is about that. I just don't have that. He's played for it either. Like, I don't think he's bad. He's not he's not like Donald Smith. He's not essays a little above average. He does try to very fast. He's really fast. But he misses a lot. He does miss a lot of tackles eat launch himself quite a bit. He would take. Wrong hole to to make the play. It took a lot of chances. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But a lot of times it just seemed like it didn't work out. Yeah. Well, our whole tax. We gotta remember ever since he's been here. He's been under Mike Smith and the third tackling just atrocious and Mike Smith did not teach these guys he told them this this weird solid. And from what I can tell where they they launch guys and they launch at their waist and a lot of times they try to bring them down by aren't tackling. It just we just had Bantac technique cross the board saying he wasn't developed. Well, we'll see. Yeah. We'll say for tonight. So one thing John Lynch does not put up with bad tattling? I can say that. How much does he really going to have an input? Is he going to have on that, though don't know, but he couch, Richie Richardson. No, it's not so kind of seeing Hannah's that don't think now it's probably five years ago, and I'm gonna eat super embarrassed. When I look this up for once I was not talking on my ass, and it is Kyle Shanahan gummy. Yeah. So Kwan's contract. What were the numbers? We'll do know is that office guaranteed money is in the first year. He's getting a four point two five million guaranteed money. No, guaranteed money after that is base is one point seven five million in two thousand nineteen with an eight point five million roster bonus and a four million dollar signing. Bonus roster bonus counts towards the cab and the signing bonus might also count towards the count. Another Asser Venice, definitely does what we're putting Smith thirteen point five million and Kwan got fourteen point two five million. So basically we lost Alexander for Donaldson. It gets worse. Adam Humphries is go wait. I'm not done talking about Guan. He's making fifty four million tonight contract fourteen to five is guaranteed. Okay. That's okay. And it's four years. So if he doesn't perform in the first year, they can cut him releasing. It's funny that which are smoking forty Niners. You know with his injury. Right. It's funny that I don't know who was someone on Twitter. My Garoppolo I think or Garoppolo. Somebody. Was had tweeted that Kwan tone of his teammates goodbye, like ten sit on that morning and said that he wasn't going to be on the team anymore and private private messaging private group. Yeah. And quantum tobacco him onto say. Oh, that's not true. This was before we had even learned of the signing. That's not he didn't say that's not true between a back who told you that. He's trying to figure out who the rather. Yeah. So I was thinking about this whole signing and quantum particular. Because everybody said, you know, he's the heart of our defense. And I thought about I don't know if it's just in the last few years, or I've just been paying attention this free agency more than usual, but the players are getting there, and they're very open with each other about. Yeah. You get yours. That's fine. It's a business. You know, they have that whole. And it's just it's a business. You'll leave your friends you go to another team is not a big deal. Like, nobody cares. There's not that like come Ron arena. Stay together. There's no real sacrifice for the team that you're on except for. For the patriots. I think is the exception like well, and that might be a little outdated too. Because you know, Tom Brady years ago took a pay cut to stay with the you know to help the team with their caps situation. You just don't get that. And so I wondered we all kind of new quantum was going to get paid and thought about what if he decided to stay with the bucks because he had bought him. What kind of message would that show? That would have been also. Let's go I'm gonna forego millions of dollars. So that I can make this a winning team. You would love to have that on your team. It sounds and don't see it anymore another. It's all of them into businesses. This whole economy between the players and management slash ownership has turned into an us versus them. And there's no loyalty anymore to players go from team to team they bounce around all over the place. There's a saying that when you're a fan you're rooting for the name on the front of the jersey not on the back of the jersey. I'm not a big believer in that. I believe in you root for the team, which includes all the players, the coaches the GM ownership. I don't like to talk bad about anybody on the team. I don't like to talk about firing anybody on the team, you know, not see bad play like call it out make them accountable and give them the play better but anymore. It just I think it's between fantasy football free agency. Those have just ruined loyalty. Everybody want everybody plays fantasy football. And they think that the NFL is like that. Oh, if I get this tight end who had these stats boogeyman to my team this year. I'm going to have an awesome team. But it's like the perfect example is when we had Sean L and we had a terrible secondary. They spent all this money onto robbery events. The best cornerback available. Maybe the greatest of all time, probably not. But draft time Shawn golden we trade it for him. Right. I think we got him in a trade show such right? And so know, we sure it up at the second puddle lot into it. And we're. Yeah. The no fly zone and all that stuff. Right. And then it would just stack it up fell. It's not always just a plug and play. No never worked. I don't understand the mentality. It's it's been football is what caused that people. Just look at numbers and staff to go. This guy scored there's many touchdowns or yards. Whatever put them over here. He's going to help him score that many touchdowns and it never works ever. Yeah. We ever learn. I don't know. It just it just makes too much sense. Do merrily. Yeah. You think oh, this guy does great. So therefore, we get him on our team, and he's just going to continue doing great. But now, there's so many factors involved as the scheme. There's the coaching. There's locker room, the weather weather weather is a huge thing. You know, the tape is hot. Well, this John Jackson talked about that to come in from Philly. And then Washington he had had in the injury and wanna say in a C L. But I remember an interview when he was coming down in Tampa. I think it might have been Warren Sapp asked him about the knee. If it was going to be better in he said, yeah. Because he wasn't in the cold anymore. Makes a lot of sense. I wish the hot weather would keep a lot of our players from getting hurt. Yeah. But then the heat also that's kind of a double edged sword like Warren Sapp talked about you don't draft fat linemen and Tampa because it's too hot. Viva pick that line in Tampa. You didn't start coming onto the season. So cool down. Nice eighty-five degrees out after one hundred and three for Humphries gone. Went to the titans got a four year thirty six million dollars contract. Nine hundred million guaranteed twelve million fully at signing ten million which and signing bonus seven million guaranteed for injury, which you know. That's that's a I wouldn't know about injuries. I put that out there and got a little bit of crap dumped on me for that people saying, you don't know the players get paid for win their injured. Well, he's got seventy dollars guaranteed for injury. So explain that to me, and it becomes fully guaranteed. The fifth day of free agency twenty twenty they do that a lot of times when I was researching are free agent or are cap situation and our free sometimes by specific date a certain amount of money. We'll be guaranteed. So I've seen that before. I'll tell you what this line. I woke up this morning. Feeling of free agency hangover. It was weird. It was weird. Yeah. A little bit like long groggy. Not quite there. We lost. We lost three stores. This big players isn't harming the most. Yeah. Twenty million dollars the first two years. So I'm glad it's the titan of all places. I'm like, okay. That softens the blow a little bit. We don't have to play against him. We play the right? Not regularly sedation. Yeah, we play the forty Niners to this year. So we're gonna be playing against while. We're going to be playing against Humphries wants this year. Yeah. It's interesting hofers is going from James Winston to Marcus mariota. Right. So that really hasn't had a whole lot of wide receivers. They're so it'd be interesting to see how he Humphries mariota's. See they mentioned pool of his numbers. A little bit fat one hurt back. They're just hoped. I mean, we didn't even keep one of them. I think so we're still coming. Yeah. Well, Bryan anger was just like, oh, that's a tough one. You know, he was getting three million. He was due this year. And we let him go and picked up the forty Niners punter that where he came from rarely Pinon. Yes, we're trained players with the forty Niners in Bradley Pinon got a four year deal for year deal last year, he earned seven hundred five thousand so we might have saved about two two and a half million getting anger and opinions got about the same. Punt average as Ryan I think he's a yard and a half two yards less than anger, but I'm really liked Bryan anger, especially in two thousand sixteen. He was just killing it. But then we got rid of our a lot of our special teams dies. So the big tacklers and he fell off a little bit. But it still wasn't bad. I can't remember a single time when he got out on the field. And I went oh gosh. Here we go. You know, it was always like, yeah. So he's going to get us. Could you already distracted by our dismal kicker situation? Well, the the new Underwood got Bradley painting. He handles kickoff duties for San Francisco. So he might do. That here and leave car Santos if we keep him and don't get Matt Bryant car Saint can just focus on kicking field goals and extra point. Why would you get rid of a three million dollar punter? And then sign a three million dollar kicker. Right like Bryant, Matt Ryan. That's when he was making an Atlanta. Well, I guess kickers are more valuable score points. Other players are pretty valuable to talk and field position here. And especially they've been taught Brazilians has been talking about special team. Yeah, he's big on a special teams. He's want special teams to start popping. Although I'm not a big fan of bringing Bryant back. We know we talked about this on the podcast. I don't like bringing ex players back. I met right left on bad terms. I don't think he's coming back. It's just it doesn't make sense. He's old. Face the he's been dealing with injuries. He costs too much it just I don't see it happening. Interesting. I don't know just about everyone every free agent signing than I thought we were gonna get has fallen through a tire Matthew he's gone to the chiefs Honey badger. He got three year forty two million dollar contract. John Brown went to the bills three years twenty seven million dollars. And they're both what I was talking about like, they're they're jumping from team to team ever. It's all about money. So reminds me of Brent Grimes and his podcast when they were talking about all of ownership. It's all about money, and they're standing all that. And they break guards turn right around and said, well, they weren't paying me enough to cover them into. He's all about the money. They're all about the money now, which you know, grant it. That's okay. But not when it's all about the money go to the forty Niners. They suck. Yeah. It's going to be a few years before they're on their feet. Nextel rebellion. Right. There's spent the first four years of his career on rebuilding. And then he's going to a team. That's rebuilding. Right. It John Brown. Go into the bills. They suck have for years. All these teams, the only one the only one that has a lot of cap room, which I'm really surprised they haven't been pulling in a lot of people. It's the cult's ones that are that don't suck. I mean, they're not that great. But the rest of them are just horrible. I mean, look at the raiders. They've run out of money. They have no more cash. Got that. They got plenty of cap space level. They just don't have any money. Right. So we haven't talked about this on the podcast, but they signed Trump Brown from the patriots huge here. Too much like seventeen million two years. Like, the people are saying see what a good deal got on. Donovan Smith off Tony we could assigned. I'm just trying to get to again. We haven't talked about side went to she said that just wait for me. Hey, we got another side today. We resigned our backup quarterback Ryan Griffin the perennial backup. You got a two year deal. We're not sure what the money's like yet. He's earned four million in his career. But he's been a backup for six years four or five with us. It's since two thousand fifteen so this'll be a spit year with us what the saints for two thousand and thirteen two thousand fourteen but he's only been active for eleven games in that timespan six years and only one of those games with New Orleans. He's never thrown a pass or taking a snap in an NFL game other than in preseason. That's frightening. It is very scary. I mean, James west goes out, which you know, chances are he's going to get hurt. They year. He's always gotten hurt. Dafur? A couple of games veteran put in there. We're gonna have knock-kneed Ryan. I mean, he's a veteran. A veteran. Ran the bench bench warmer. I don't know anything about him. I mean, he's looked okay in preseason. But he's always been playing against third string defensive. So here's the thing with Bruce Arians coaching style. He's getting reps in practice all the time. So true. So that means Fitzpatrick's gone, which style is all but going to happen. They're all talking about James wisdom look over shoulder, which you know, I'm like. Competition. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah. Actually, we did sign a linebacker slash strong safety today day owned Buchanan, he was signed by the book, and here's for a one year deal. Don't have much details on that signing yet. He's been with the cardinal since two thousand fourteen Bruce Arians and the GM their Stein. They drafted him. He was a the first pick in the two thousand fourteen draft with Arizona and the twenty seven th pick overall. Yes. But don't get excited about that. Because stat wise got done anything just talked about stance. She got me. Fantasy football team. Pro-football spoke is has ranked eighty. Stop right now. Ahead. Oh, you're getting me. Good today. Eight out of ninety six linebackers with forty five point three overall grade in two thousand eighteen coming from football, focus that doesn't mean Diddley, but let me break for it. He's played in seventy games. Started in fifty six of those games. He's only got two interception. I got one touchdown that happened in two thousand fifteen on one of those two interceptions. He's got twelve past offenses seven forced fumbles five humble recovery's seven Saxo. That's pretty interesting four hundred and four combined tackles three hundred eleven solo tackles twenty seven tackles for losses fourteen quarterback kit in two thousand fourteen he was on the NFL rookie team and two thousand fifteen week fifteen. He was voted the NFC defensive player of the week. However, he was placed on injured reserve December thirteenth two thousand sixteen. And he missed the first three games of two thousand seventeen with injury. And he missed the first two games in two thousand eighteen with injury. But as I said, he's played both safety and linebacker. I do believe the bucks plan on playing at linebacker though. So the stats they don't jump out on the page at you. And I've watched plenty of Arizona games. I don't ever recall hearing. This guy's name. Maybe we're planning on draft on linebacker. Devon white has been projected to go to us at number five LSU linebacker. So we'll see. Well, it makes sense. Because a lot of our depth at linebacker is up for free agency. Darius Taylor Cameron. Lynch Beckwith were uncertain about. And we lost Kwan. We're pretty weak outline point. How do we go from heaven one of the strongest linebacker cores two years ago to this position where we're just linebacker deficit last year, we were hurting because everybody getting back with gone her long-gone hurt we were scrambling for love. That's why you never know. You never know you could think you're strong at one point at one position in midseason. You're scrambling to find players feel that vacancy when Alex like are wide receiver core. I like to our studs are gone, right? Yeah. Last year. I mean, we had cut more days. Now, we've just got Godwin Gavin's. Bye bye Wilson. So I wouldn't be shocked if we dropped a receiver. Interesting interesting. So tomorrow is the first thing that they can start inky and deals the chargers. Nine five players, man. Philip rivers. Melvin Gordon blue popping them all well, you had two of them on your fantasy to running back championship. I don't remember the backup. Pro pull up the roster because I won't know if you're right or not Antonio gates. All right. You got three big dogs. Right. He's one of their receiver one of them came from Jacksonville their receiver. Allen hearn. Oh, the other one. Oh, the other one. The words Robinson. I'm hung up on Allen Allen Robinson is. You're right Allen. Yes. But last night last name Allen. Okay. So I got four. Allen Keenan Allen. Okay. Who is there? Other running back. This is gonna drive me nuts. Yeah. Melvin Gordon, and I'm just drawing a complete blank. You're pulling all offense to I don't know anyone other event traffic from last year. You don't remember him safety? Everybody's mad. We didn't get him. No throwing James nothing. Denton ring a bell comedian hand on that stupid runningback Austin. This is first name last name starts with an E at cler. Okay. I did not know his first name. I thought it was like a sound like says Austin powers tower. Just give me the name outright. I was just flying. I was just flat out a word game. I watch a lot of game show. Yeah. You got a wide receiver tyrel William Expedia guy. Travis Benjamin that Robinson from Carolina. Kelvin Benjamin Travis Benjamin in Cleveland by Mike Wayan, speedy left tackle, Russell Kun. Nothing. Nothing. Dan, free any left guard, Mike pouncey center, maybe. We have really got his start breast Russian as we've seen from free agency. They're moving all over the place. So it would be pointless. Even learn any of them. I mean, there's only what twelve hundred players in the NFL three four hundred added a year. So I don't try to remember them. All just the ones that stand out to me. Okay. Are we going to do a podcast tomorrow night after free agencies start signing? We'll see we'll see if we give the Thursday if there's not too much going on Wednesday Thursday or Ronnie, so that's going to wrap. It does for us tonight. We will get back with you when we get back with you. Hopefully, the buccaneers will do some decent signings. Tomorrow all these that we have heard about so far does not mean, they're setting stone. As a matter of fact, there was two today who were talked about signing that with the buccaneers. But then they pulled out ended up signing back with their teams was bar with Minnesota. He said he was can't remember where it was going day when I was all excited about it. And then he ended up changing amount or whatever and signed back with Minnesota contingent of NFL fans to hate you. Oh, yeah. I could just imagine measuring lady on belts come into the buccaneers. And then balancing have now I'm signing back with the Steelers if every team in the league would hate him. He's he's looking to go to the jets or I want to say the ravens the to fighting it out right now. Oh, I would like to see him go to the rain along. But then if he got the snot beat out of him every time he played the Steelers would also kid backfiring. Their way. Fun to watch. It's a little hard for me to be a rate for this. Steelers talk for anybody to root for the Steelers again IQ over twelve oh, I'm spiting words. You can get a Steeler nation coming after he. Well, good. Maybe I can get Stephen of nation field about me the way I feel about Bill most obnoxious fans of the league. That's not true. Maybe the eagles are more noxious Feng New Orleans Saint own saints are definitely the whiny as fan by far. It comes from the leadership drew Brees and John eight people on the planet and drew Brees with intentional grounding crap on a hate him from three or four times a game every game he needs to be penalized for a grounding. And they just let it go. Because it's drew Brees. I guess they feel back because short and bald bald we're not gonna mention that thing on his face. All right. We need to get off here before we really offend somebody just to sum it up. A we signed the crap. I can't remember how to pronounce his name day own pecan Buchanan. We got rid of Adam Humphreys, quite Alexsandr in Sean Jackson. The Honey badger Tyrone Matthau is out of action for us. John Brown is out of action for us. They both gone to different teams. And we signed a kicker and released a kicker punter. I mean, well, punter slash kicker. We got a or slash ticker and released they punter. So we'll see how that works out backup quarterback. We got that nail until that's right back. Okay. How can we forget him? Such a vital piece. Six years in the league is never thrown NFL pass crazy is made four million dollars. I want that job. I've always told my I've always said I'm going to get my kid grow up to be a kicker in the league or punter because they make good money from the little that they do. And of course, is always like, oh, no way too much translates guys always under pressure. I'll take the pressure from the money. But I think I've changed my mind. I think I wanted to be a perennial backup quarterback. But you know, you didn't have to get hit some like in preseason and to get up to that point even get considered as a backup quarterback in college and high school, you probably have to start it as a quarterback at some point guess Brian Griffin. Overstock I don't know anything about the guy that check I could I could run into him at the store, and I wouldn't know who he was. I'd probably yell at him for getting them away or something. I tell you what it looks like a crazy crazy. It's magic. Knows what he's going around Griffin goes down by left which can always step in. Do this shape though that long lineup. He's got goof. I sure hope he doesn't train Winston and mechanics because bar left which had probably the worst mechanics. Many quarterback. We've ever had a long wind up anyway. Right. We don't need stretch any further. All right. We're out of here. If you wanna get in touch with Molly can Richard her Email address, Molly at Ma at the buccaneers observer dot com. 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The Lightning Round Podcast: The Chargers 2020 draft class

Bolts from the Blue

48:11 min | 7 months ago

The Lightning Round Podcast: The Chargers 2020 draft class

"Who the lightning round podcasts. With your host Garrett says the N. Jamie Hoyle Charges Go Vice. Enlighten around podcast. I have pat garrison Jamie's at lightning underscore round. We are here to recap the chargers. Twenty twenty draft class. And we thought we'd do another podcast just to kind of wrap this whole thing up. It's only fitting that we did a preview show and now we can just wrap up this draft season and talk about the chargers. Six draft picks. So let's just jump right into it. The chargers did not trade up. They did not draft a tackle. They did not draft a corner. They stayed Pat and selected a quarterback. It ended up being just an herbert at six. Yeah I think we all knew. It was going to be a quarterback in this draft. The kind of had to be drafting the top ten. You're kind of in a position. Where if you've got a quarterback that's you know got a top ten grade. Maybe even top fifteen grade. He gets pushed up the board. Because if need and you know I think most of us I know you and I definitely wanted to a didn't happen but In terms of Herber I think after going back and kind of getting over the initial disappointment of not getting to a and watching some extra film on Herbert. I watched the ten of his games over the weekend to try to get a better handle on what he was about what he does. Well and how the the team might be able to help him and I think what they got is obviously guy with the huge frame athletic. He can move. He's got a big arm I think he can make some. Nfl caliber throws He shows the ability to make some do want throws it's not consistent but it is there He can drive the ball into tight windows for sure. I think there are some inconsistencies. There which you might expect to some degree from certain quarterbacks but I think all in all when you look at what he does really well I think he throws the ball in the middle of the field extremely well particularly within twenty yards. I think once he starts trying to drive the ball down the field of the perimeters at times he starts kind of aiming and and guiding the ball almost like he's afraid to miss Not Unlike what Lamar Jackson did. When he was coming out of college he had a tendency to try to aim. Ball's a little bit and miss on deep balls and his his coaches fix that. So it's certainly something that can be fixed with improve working. Kind of maybe getting out of his head a little bit and trusting himself a little bit and trusting his athletic ability and trusting his arm. He certainly needs to learn how to get through his progressions. Little bit better but I did see some improvement in that way. I saw him look. Send people off you. Some pump fakes to get guys open and come back to his primary read in a senior year so. I think there are things they can work with. I think there are ways. Certainly that they can help him be more effective Things like getting the ball out quickly Lot of tunnel screens loaded bubble screens A lot of high low reads simple reads fewer option routes And really just trying to keep him in a rhythm because I think he's at his best when he's in a rhythm and he hits the top of his drop and he gets rid of the ball so they can help him with that and get the ball quickly. I think he could be more effective If you you certainly don't want him sitting back there going through four or five. Six reads holding the ball for a long period of time. I think you're GONNA see more three and five step drops as opposed to the seven step drops we've seen and I think you're gonNA see them really. Try to help him by creating larger passing windows in the middle of the field which is something I think they did a good job of giving themselves a chance to do with some of their later. Round draft picks will talk about so all in all. I think there's an opportunity for him to be successful. I still don't know that he's going to elevate a team but I do think that they can help him be successful and he can help them win games as part of a successful offensive unit. It's not going to be as quarterback driven as we become accustomed to seeing. I don't think at least not right away so I think once you get over that initial disappointment. I'm not getting too. I think you realize they have a pretty talented kid there. There's a lot to work with. There's also some things that need to be improved upon but You know in the top six. You don't want to be back there again. He they had sounds like they had him ranked right behind as as Simmons. They had herbert ranked as six player with both of them on. The board quarterback took precedent. And it's kind of hard to argue with that approach. Yes they had simmons higher than Herber in fact the board according to what I heard it was confirmed by another source so Pretty confident about this. The chargers had Joe Borough. I chase young second the tackle Andrew Thomas third the linebacker. Like you mentioned Isaiah Simmons at four to five in Justin Herbert at six because the importance of picking high needing a quarterback they end up going with Justin Herbert over Simmons. So you guys know how we feel about Justin. Herbert we talked about it. On the last podcast. But we know that he's got the physical traits. He's got the big arm. He's got great size. He uses feet to extend plays which is going to be a major plus in this new catered offense. He's an accurate passer. Pretty smart with the football. He's at his best when he's a scripted. Quick timing offense. That's going to be important because when you don't have a quick timing offense here's where it starts to break down. He's basically a one re quarterback he does not consistently work through its progressions. You'll see flashes of it but he does not do it often enough when pressure the mechanics breakdown. He becomes careless with football. You've heard all of that. The chargers drafted Herbert six. Let's talk about what the chargers needed to do to help them succeed. They gotTA build around him. They got cater to a skill set. The offense will now need to be a more quick timing offense. And that's where Herbert succeeds. The offense like you mentioned cannot do what they did with rivers no more five to seven step drops. It's gotta be a quick timing offense. You got include some rpo packages in there. You can get Herbert on the move attempt to keep defenses honest and also give Herbert more spacing concepts to spread out a little bit. I also think if they hurried to the line gets the line fast knocked the ball quickly. That can help. Get the offense in rhythm. Herbert isn't a quarterback that usually check line anyway so rolling right into plays will definitely help Herbert in this offense. So you heard on the podcast leading up to the draft. We didn't like Herbert but he wasn't worse. Case Scenario Jordan Love was pick is super exciting. But it's fine the players. Okay you know. Obviously we would like to a or some other players. There is as soon as what even been exciting. But because you're picking so high and you figure you won't be picking that high anytime soon. Go and try to get your franchise quarterback so from that you understand it. Herber ties in. College are so so exciting. He wasn't consistent enough with it but let's hope if they catered to his offense and hopefully play to his strengths in Taylor. Make this offense to Herbert. You'll give them a good chance to succeed and we should see a lot more highs than we did lows like we didn't call it. Yeah absolutely I think you know another thing that we haven't mentioned yet is I think we'll see a lot of pistol formation You mentioned the RPO kind of getting him out on the edge of the defense rolling him out to his right to get him away from whatever schmuck playing left tackle a and I think the key with him really honestly is to keep things fast so he can't stop and think because I think we're he really gets himself into trouble is when he's thinking when he's not sure what he's supposed to do with football it seems like there are times where he's rolling to his right and he's almost thinking about what has worked needs to be to get rid of the ball instead of just playing and reacting and. I think almost all of his problems are about him being afraid to miss about him being afraid to get his foot work wrong and I think that's why he can look mechanical sometimes almost robotic so I think they can smooth some of that out and just tell them hey look we believe in you. We drafted you. Were building around your your our guy like we're not looking to replace you. Just go out and prove right. Just go out and make plays do do what you've been doing your whole life. Get out on the edge of the defense be athletic. Make those plays with your arm make those throws because you can make all those throws. Don't think about it so much and I think that will help quite a bit with him. Then you know. We talked about some of the manufacturer touches some of the different types of screens. They can run. I think you're GONNA see a lot of concepts like what What Baltimore did with with Lamar Jackson? This year I think they're going to try to establish the run. He's very effective out of play action. So I think they're going to do a lot of play with him. I think what you're going to see is a lot of attempts to challenge the seams of the defense. I think the more he can throw to to to weapons into targets that are more or less right in front of him. The more effective he is and the more he has to push it. Outside of the perimeter. It's not that he doesn't have the armed do it. It's it for whatever reason. He looks mechanical doing it. So if they can kind of narrow that field and key players right in front of him where he's throwing the ball. I think he's going to be a lot more effective early on and then obviously as he goes on and as he develops they're going to have to use more of the field but I think they can get away with you know some of those rollout passes that Baltimore did with The Jackson this year you know. Bring somebody from across the field kind of being underneath the roll out to the right just dump it off it winds up being a throw outside the hash mark but it's really just an extension of the running play things like that opportunities to just get him out. Get Him in the space get playmakers into space and get the ball on their hands as quickly as possible. So that he's not being asked to stand in the pocket and diagnosed through you know progress through four or five six progressions. I don't think that's going to help him right now. Yeah and I think Oregon's aligned in a lot of favors. There's a lot of time and I think once he was here in that third read four three to five seconds six seconds of started to all speed up way to fast and get a little panicky. I also see a lot of misdirection here too. You know with the receivers that they got especially this fifth round pick which will talk about. I think there's a lot of opportunities to do that. And kind of with the RPO and the misdirection. Some jet sweeps we can reverses the bubble screen. You're talking about. There's a lot of stuff they can do with Herbert. And I think this coming season we're going to see what Steichen is worth because we don't know that he can catering offense to Herbert strength. We don't know what kind of offensive coordinator he's he really is. And now he's got a whole project this this quarterback bill from the ground up. So it'll be interesting to see if he can really tailor. Make this offense towards thurbers strengths yet. I'm not sure how much of Herbert we're going to see on the field this year. I just the feeling that they're going to really try to lean on tyrod as long as they can as long as he's not hurt and he's not costing the Games are going to ride tyrod as deep into the season as they can but tyrod herber or similar a lot of ways they have a lot of the same skill sets they have a lot of the same limitations or not limitations but they have a lot of the same things that they don't do as well as you would like to see them do So I think we'll get an idea of what's Daikin's building in terms of an offense this year by what they're having tyrod do. 'cause Robert can do a lot of those same things and I think they really gave us a window into what? They're trying to do what they're planning to build by what they did on day. Three of the draft with three of those four picks which we're going to get into here in a minute. Yeah but that's exactly right even if Herbert doesn't see the field they're still going to be doing that. Same type of offense. Yeah tyrod Taylor. So so. We'll get a look at that pretty quickly with Steichen. Let's go ahead and move on to the second pick which happened in the first round. The chargers traded their second and third round picks to trade out for the Oklahoma linebacker. Kenneth Murray and he is a rangy athletic linebacker. He's a powerful tackler displays. Good tackle technique. He's really enforced from the middle of the field. He's got one gear showed progression ever year in college which is great watched a bunch of him over the weekend a his movement silence sideline probably up there with some of the best of this linebacker class. He looked so good. Go and sideline to sideline also an excellent blitzer at the position. We saw a little bit of that Oklahoma. Hopefully we see that with the chargers with things that were a little worrisome lacks awareness zone coverage while wasn't asked to run and cover much his instinct. Leave a lot to be desired. He was also really productive in college. He had three hundred twenty. Five total tackles thirty six and a half tackles for loss nine and a half sacks to me. There wasn't a ton of splash plays no interceptions only one force fumble but a ton of tackles you and I talked earlier. You had mentioned a Lotta tackles near behind line of scrimmage so Kenneth Murray will be the probably the will next to drew tranquil where he's going to be really good as run-defender use quickness defend that short passing game. I think there's some versatility there he. I think he could play. Auto Mike or will depending on the package chargers just banked on the second most athletic linebacker in this draft behind. Isaiah Simmons and they traded up to get a Murray had the elite score of nine point. Nine out of ten so Soup breath letting explosive. The tools are exciting. Some of that short cutting shortcomings look like they can come with time. He's athletic enough to cover. He just isn't there yet. He's physical but he doesn't really take on. Blockers Atlanta scrimmage with regularity so well. He doesn't do it he certainly capable of it. He's the athlete to do it. So the potential there for Kenneth Murray I think the development is going to be crucial. You might see kind of an abbreviated. Roll your one. You might be a first and second down linebacker to begin. The year might take them off in third down passing situations. Hide him a little bit. Have the DEZ. King Drew Tranquil. Package there on third down nickel and dime but Murray's exciting. He's athletic and they definitely got an upgrade and they're running. Thomas Davis out there last year so without a doubt this linebacker core got better by drafting. Kenneth Murray Yeah. I think we're all a little surprised when they traded up it was a linebacker and it wasn't queen and it wasn't queen. Yeah and then. It wasn't an offensive lineman make a lot of people. Were probably expecting offensive Lineman. They're I wasn't necessarily but a lot of people were Yeah I mean you said it. He's he's a great athlete. He is a triggers quickly. He he diagnosis and triggers extremely quickly. He flies down. Hill does a great job of shooting gap. You can see him. He's got short area quickness to avoid and slip by tacklers when tacklers able to square up. Which doesn't happen that often. He does kind of stick to them but he's got the length and the strength. I think to be able to learn how to shed those guys as he learns some hand technique and things like that He is able to range sideline to sideline one thing. That I noticed is that when he's ranging sideline to sideline he can be a little overeager. Maybe even a little undisciplined in his pursuit angles are a little shallow. And he actually winds up getting beat to spot and not making a play should have made because he's underestimating. He's either underestimating the other player. Or He's overestimate he's he's just overeager just a little bit undisciplined I think those are things that hopefully you can coach out of him. Get Him to be a little bit more patient and take a little bit better routes. He'll make better plays A byproduct of some of those you know overly aggressive routes is he winds reaching for people and tackling making arm tackles and some cases even grabbing guys by the shoulder pads or by the back of their their naked swinging him down he winds up hitting guys too hard so. I think he's GonNa have to learn to take better angles that he's not reaching not grabbing a guys like that and I also think he's going to have to learn to guys more below the chest because if he's hitting guy up around the neck like that in the NFL GonNa get flagged a lot and that could be an issue. You mentioned the issues with coverage. He really wasn't asked to cover a whole lot. I did see him do a little bit. A man to man coverage underneath taking backs out of the backfield. He's able to cover ground. He's able to mirror I saw him pick up. Some tight ends every once in a while underneath he was able to hang with. Those guys really didn't see him he really wasn't asked to to carry wide receivers or tight ends down the middle of the field in a deepening meet areas. So we don't really know what that's going to look like and it's probably GonNa take some time for him to get comfortable with it. One thing I did notice and they didn't do. I wish I wish Oklahoma a lot more of it but I noticed. He's not just a blitzer. I think he's a pass rusher He's able to come off the edge and beat tackles. He's very flexible. He's very quick. You see him. Dip Underneath tackles hands and get home quickly He doesn't have any real hand technique to speak of as a pass rusher. No counters or anything like that but I think that's something that Grow Smith can help develop with him And actually turn him into a legitimate pass. Rusher on this defense so You know not having Third Round. Pick in a year where they had so much depth that they had to acquire hurt. But I do think this is good football player and I definitely did not give him enough credit for being the athlete that he is when we did the livestream. My initial reaction was Oh. He's a slightly better athlete than Denzel Paramount. I think he's a much better athlete than Denzel Perryman and he's a much better fit for the modern day. Nfl THAN I think any of US really gave him credit for on the livestream when we talked about it at the time that he was picked. Yeah Denzel Perryman comment was pretty hot when you made it on draft day but I made I made a comment about Murray being enrolled school linebacker and I got some heat for an well. Obviously there weren't any old school linebackers that were the type of athlete. The Kenneth Murray was my comment was regarding his play style. He's thumper he's a run game specialist but wasn't asked to cover much in college. That's the old school linebacker mentality. Physical big downhill. That's kind of what Murray game is and again like I mentioned. It's not that he can't cover. He just didn't and the instincts were there because he wasn't asked to do it a lot. So obviously he's got the athleticism to succeed if they can coach him up. And obviously he can shed more blocks scrimmage if it gets more physical but he just didn't do it in college so while he's got some of those old school linebacker tendencies he can obviously succeed in today's NFL. If chargers can coach them up. So let's go ahead and move on. Because the chargers traded their second round pick and third round pick so they were quiet all day to go on a date three and they select a running back. It's the UCLA running back. Joshua Kelly Kelly is a guy who ran a four four nine forty at the combine I wouldn't necessarily say he plays to that speed on film He's more of A. I guess you could call a power back. He's more plotter He's going to pick up six seven eight nine yards here and there. He's not a guy who's going to break a lot of really long runs. I don't think unless guys are missing. Tackles he kinda runs to contact? He will run through contact. But he's not overly lucid Catches the ball reasonably well from what I saw on. Tape didn't do a lot of it but can't catch the ball and he's a good pass. Protector They need another running back on the roster. No doubt about it. I think Kelly has the ability to contribute to this offense I think I questioned the value of taking a running back in the fourth round. I personally would not have done it before. Fifth might have even considered waiting until the sixth Just because I think well I think Kelly is a solid player. I think you can get guys like him later. And with the success. The chargers in particular have had with. Udf running backs. I think taking a guy like that in the fourth who doesn't really do anything exceptionally well and doesn't really have any particular skill sets that really stand out. In my opinion I think you're you're kind of overdraft him a little bit but I think he will contribute. He'll probably contribute some on special teams Probably help them take off the field on special teams for sure and I'm sure he will have a role in pass protection on third down and he will probably get. I don't know maybe somewhere around ten touches a game so I think you know they gotta find player. I I just wasn't real pleased with taking a back where they took them when they had so many other holes to fill this is client host of the show. Podcast in two thousand fifteen is what he was most afraid of a pandemic respiratory flu. He told me we're living in his nightmare now so I had him back on the show to ask him. What has he learned. What do all of us need to learn? How far are we from a vaccine? And what does he hope for society on the other side of this crisis? What do we need to do to build better in its aftermath our whole conversation but subscribing to Klein? Show wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone it's Jimmy model on the hosts feed run a new show on qube produced by the team at Polygon. Speed run gives you your daily dose of the biggest gaming and entertainment news every weekday we'll give analysis of the latest video games and highlight. Some of the best of the gaming community will cover everything from the twenty year evolution of action role. Playing Games to the breakout success of riots new Valentine's for stories like this and much more download the qube apt to watch new episodes of speed run every weekday. Yeah I think the players find the value. There is questionable. I would probably say the same thing about Murray but to a much lesser extent. I mean he's a much better player but trading up for an awful linebacker a little bit questionable but I agree here I mean. Just from Kelly's fine. He's a downhill power back frame. Strong lower-half he's more of a straight line runner with a positive vision. He's patient his whole quickly. Ucla didn't utilize him a lot. Out of the backfield. Like you mentioned you. Only have thirty eight total receptions in two years at the Bruins he transferred from. Uc Davis was a walk on a UCLA. Uc Davis. He returns kick so well. The team has guys there now. Kelly does have returner experience. He also did fumble. The ball is the kid who just puts his head down Russell. Two hands on the football Very good ball security so well. Kelly is kind of just a whole-home athlete in lacks the long speed. He's GonNa fill in as power back behind that cler Jackson. He's a tough tackle. Has the ball security so you can see him on some short third and shorts. Those gold go situations outside of that. You probably see Kellyanne. Special Teams for sure The kid loves to initiate contact. Anyways a runner so why not do it on coverage teams to so perfect fit there? You can take clear off and probably Justin Jackson who played some special teams last year so they basically did that with all of their day. Three picks is just kind of added a special team. So I'm Kelly a guy that can definitely contribute on coverage teams and. Yeah maybe you see him get five or ten touches a game not really a guy that's gonna be the bell cow. You've got to split time with Justin Jackson an awesome but they got their power back. They needed it. This running back group now has something different going for them. They didn't have that guy could grind out the short yardage Josh. Kelly can so they definitely got somebody different added? I grew. Yeah like you said. He's a power back he's going to help grind out yardage maybe you see more of him hopefully in the fourth quarter with. Leeds where they're trying to bleed. The clock can grind people down After they've already built lead But like I said. I don't think he's a guy I don't think he's anything particularly special. I don't think he's somebody that I'm overly excited about. I think you'll help. Contribute on special teams. He'll he'll make contributions on offense. He'll help them be that more. Kinda run heavy Scheme that they've been wanting to get to for a while as they're rotating backs through and helps the play action and that's kind of what you're looking for at this point. Yeah Yeah so then they go in round five with wide receiver. Joe Read Out of Virginia. He played wide receiver running back kick returner and even some safety at Virginia which was surprising when I went back and watched finished with over. Twenty one hundred yards thirty touchdowns read holes. Virginia's career yards per return with twenty eight point. Seven also broke the school record for yards per return last season with thirty three point two so obviously we know that he was versatile weapon in college. He's got good size. Really good body control when the balls in the air followed that up with really reliable hands and some pretty good open-field speed he's not really a burner but he's a tough guy to bring down so he's got a little bit long speed and he's got that lateral agility to is route. Running is fantastic especially at the beginning of top routes. Which makes him really dangerous at that. Underneath and that Downfield Threat Popper Daniel. Popper had made a comparison and a few others have to the jewelry could be the charters deebo Samuel he could. I could see it. He can line up in the backfield. Steichen can maybe manufacturer five sevenish touches. Get the ball in his hands. Just tell them to make a play. A certain wherever ginny did they just gave Joe Reno's volume touches and he may play so definitely be beneficial for him to do with the chargers offense outside of that he's gotta be returner. For the chargers he'll compete with various jennings for that job and a another guy that they drafted and he'll be competing for that wide receiver. Three with that other guy that we'll talk about a little bit later so that's GonNa be competition for Joe. Read and then the South Round. Pick but a lot of versatility here. Joe Read Fun Athlete. And kind of a nice gimmick piece here for this offense. Yeah you could almost see him playing that Jalen Red Kinda role in Oregon. Offense that that digestion. Herbert had the last few years that we were talking earlier about. The manufacturer touches getting the ball out of hand quickly with the bubble screens and the hitches and the tunnel screens and all that kind of stuff certainly can do that now. You could see Joe redoing that I think you could also see him being a deep threat. he does have the speed to get vertical. He's not you know Travis Benjamin fast but catches the ball. Yeah so I'll take that trade off every day of the week. Yep He's a tough kid you know. He steps through tackles. He's got great vision in the open field. He actually a lot of people have said he runs. Like a running back in the open field kind of weaves through traffic and find fines open spaces Catch the slant seen catch the screens. Unfortunately for him his quarterback the last couple years was frigging awful. Bryce Perkins couldn't throw the ball more than twenty yards without throwing it straight up into the sky. He was difficult insulting to other quarterbacks. Refer to him as a quarterback. Yeah he's gotTa be the worst. I mean we've seen some bad college quarterbacks he's gotTa be the worst one you've seen since wide receiver playing quarterback seriously that's literally a wide receiver playing. Hugh so I saw him. Through a one twenty touchdown pass to to read. That looked like he threw the ball. I mean yeah the apex be fifty feet high straight up and straight down and read literally had to stop and reach back over his shoulder with one hand catch it so he basically threw impove flies. Every time the past attempt it was like field in the field and pop flies in the outfield off. The jugs machine. That's basically what he was what he was throwing him. It was so bad so yeah I think we could be a very valuable piece in the offense you give them like you said five six seven touches a game. Maybe take a shot or two game with him down the field. See if you can stretch the field to take the top off the defense I think there's an opportunity there from to be effective in the offense and obviously he's a legitimate kick returner. You'd figure he's probably probably the odds on favorite to win the KIP. Return job coming into camp. Just based on the fact that I think I saw one of one of five kick returners in F. B. S. history to finish his for your career with at least three thousand yards in returns and I think he had. Would you say ten five five kick return touchdowns five correa? I think he's going to be a nice for them. Kind of like you said a gimmick a gadget kind of weapon. Exactly what they wanna Travis Benjamin to be the last couple of years except read isn't afraid of contact so a lot of fun to watch all right so let's move onto round where we at six year six with a low high. Gilman the safety at a Notre Dame. I mean obviously. They drafted Gilman to be a special teams player They may be see him as being kind of a nickel dime linebacker in the future Gilman was not a guy who overly impressive on his college tape. I think I watched four of his games They I heard Thom. Tillis go referred to him as hammer which at this point has to be a kiss of death for any charters traffic. I don't see that personally. I mean he makes a lot of tackles. But he's not really like a knockdown drag down kind of tackler. He's more of like a white guests dragged. Down is the best way to put it. I saw him blow up a couple of guys. There was one play. I don't remember game. It was that I saw him trigger straight downhill from the free safety position. Headed running back dead in the chest and take him down but most of the tackles that I saw him make. He bent over at the waist ducked his head and looked to grab the thigh or the lower leg. He's kind of ankle biter Not terribly strong. I don't think he's terribly fluid as an athlete. You don't want him at free safety. They talked about him. Maybe being German James's backup strong safety Like I said also playing that nickel or dime linebacker role. I just he to me. He's a one direction straight downhill. He does diagnosed quickly. But he's not a guy is going to change directions and even though he kind of technically flows from sideline to sideline he usually just winds up chasing guys down from behind five or ten yards downfield. When he's long sideline sideline. He's not making plays. He's just making tackles he and allow a lot of respects. It kind of reminds me of a and a die or even a A Manto not really impressive than athlete. Just kind of gobbling tackles after the player offenses already made a play. Yeah I mean it feels like the more. I watched him the thing that got him. All of his tackles was motor yet kid. That didn't quit and he put so much effort that he'd eventually gonNA tackle. He's a kid that transfer from Navy Notre Dame two thousand sixteen start. Every game was team. Captain Two thousand nineteen which plus go said was very important. Notre Dame has a deep safety in the box. He's definitely shouldn't be a deep safety in the NFL much better. When it's closer line of scrimmage He's physical likes to knock alignment in the box. I think he's got pretty good instincts. You talked about diagnosing. Pretty well showed some short area quickness but I think what holds them back is that he knows what's happening but he lacks the athleticism and I think the quickness and the get off to make any place so while he sees what's happening he's just not getting there in time and I think he's got some coverage limitations to he makes up for with that physicality and the motor. But you know. I think that these kind of held back a little bit. Just because he's kind of an average athlete. He flashes good tackling times. But the more you watch gilman the more you see him. Lunging a ball carriers like you mentioned you see him kind of lunging feet a lot trying to ankle by. He's going to compete for an extra role in that nickel dime packages to replace the whole to Asia fell plus Aziz offseason. Does King theoretically supposed to man that spot in Camp. Gilman provides depth there and also at strong safety and he'll definitely be a special teams contributor right away. He's going to be a special teams player whether it gets on the field or not is probably not going to happen. Twenty major injuries but definitely going to be a contributor on special teams. 'cause that guy. They love his special teams tenacity and motor there on covers teams. You think he makes the roster. That's a good question who is going to beat out. I think he'd beat Roger Teamer. That's the safest bet I mean if you look if you look at the safety position assuming they moved as to that safety nickel linebacker. Kinda role that gives them five safeties on the roster already and teamers the fifth which makes Gilman the sixth which means he's probably going to have to beat one if not two guys to make the roster and at that point you wanNA keep five safeties. Do you WANNA keep four. I don't know I just feel like I'm sure he'll probably win and making the roster because he was a draft pick I just feel like they might have put themselves in a position where they almost have to keep him to justify it. Because I don't think anything special I don't think he's ever going to be a guy who's on the field on defense a whole lot unless he's backing somebody up and they get hurt so unless he beats out teamer. I think he's got an uphill battle to make the roster. Yeah or they move like a necessarily corner or something. Yeah that too all right so then. Charges wrap up the draft with an exciting one is the wide receiver. K J Hill at Ohio State. He's prime to be the chargers receiver in the slot. He's got an advanced route tree as the Buckeyes slot receiver. He's got real good. Feel for finding that soft zone and sitting in the open area over the middle of the field. Put a big numbers. Two hundred twenty three hundred yards twenty touchdowns in his college career. He holds the Ohio State. Record for receptions once he gets the ball in his hands. He's elusive he's got good agility. To make is Miss Hill was also a kick and punt return. College had eight career. Kickoff returns so like we mentioned earlier. He's going to be competing with read for that. Returner role and Jennings's well K. J. Hill is not a high in athlete. In fact the year to three point one relative athletic score with poor explosion. So I kinda surprising because let's go likes these high end. Athletes K J hill is not one of those but he just makes plays. He fell to the south because of the slow forty. He ran a four six two. And there's also some rumblings about an attitude problem so I guess he must have slipped because of combination of the two. He's going to compete for that wide receiver three slot with the chargers fifth round. Pick Joe read to also battle out with Darius Jennings a real possibility Keenan Allen and Mike Williams outside Caja Hill playing the slot jewelry becomes gadget player like we mentioned that kind of receiver and running back out of the backfield. This is a really good pick. I mean the value is unreal. Here a guy that a Lotta people saw going at the beginning of day three falls all the way down to the end of the draft and chargers get him very productive player ton upside here and a big swing. They really needed to make here in route seventy K. J. Hill at a local boy too. He grew up in. La So Yeah I I think you think about. Where could he have landed to be in perfect position to succeed? You gotta think landing with the chargers where he can work alongside Keenan Allen. Further developed those route running skills. He says he mirrors is game after Keenan Allen which is something you love to hear because of how good Keenan is in terms of running his routes You mentioned I mean look. We talked earlier about the idea of working in the middle of the field. Creating wide open passing lanes making things easy on Justin Herbert. And what better way to do that than somebody. Who can run routes the way Caja Hilda's He's not fast. He's probably not going to be a deep threat. But if you're looking to take chunk plays in that ten to twenty yard range in the middle of the field up the seem that's the guy you want running routes against safeties and corners in the middle safeties and linebackers in the middle of the field. So you have him in the middle of the field. I'm sure they'll have keenan in the middle of the field of times you've got Henry in the middle of the field. There are opportunities there to create some pretty big passing windows and Make Make Very Quick Easy Reeds for Justin. Herbert and I think he kind of see what they're looking for. In terms of long term offensive scheme with some of these late day three picks in terms of the offense I. I think they obviously have a plan. It's not like I think the her pick would have been a lot more difficult to swallow. If you're looking at it and saying well they're gonNA run the exact same offense and they're going to have him make seven step drop every time diagnosed with the line you know. Hold the ball for seven seconds and try to get rid of the ball. That's not where Herbert's GonNa succeed. They clearly have a plan for him and they're trying to make him as comfortable as possible and build the offense around him instead of trying to fit him into an offense and I think that is smart and I think they're already ahead of the game in terms of doing that. Yeah Yeah I mean. They definitely gave him the pieces. We think that they could have added more. Obviously they have a lot of whole still left on the roster. They didn't address offensive tackle. We had talked about how important that was this off season while getting Brian. Balogh is important. The left tackle now for a rookie is kind of up. In the air you've got tray pins he got Sam Tevi which plus had mentioned even the possibility of having four slant playing left tackle. I mean that's all not ideal for a rookie quarterback on his blindside unless they signed Jason Peters or something like that this is again kind of last year in the last couple of years just kind of an a gross overstatement of what they've got on their offense line because this is going to be really tough there moving Justin Herbert around. That makes things a little bit easier but still passing down. We've got to stay in the pocket. You've got somebody like trae. Pipkins manning that left side. That's going to be a little tough. Yeah talking to Daniel Popper during the draft. He told me that he feels like the chargers. Think that tabby command left tackle at least for year They think he's athletic enough to do it. And they think they can help him out by rolling the quarterback to the right which would explain why they spent resources bringing in trae Turner and bring in. Brian Laga if they're going to be moving the quarterback to the right and creating those design rollouts you want people who can block for them so maybe they feel like they can hide Tevi or pipkins. Whoever wins that job by running away from them I think defensive eventually catch up to that but I think really what they're trying to do at this point. I think they're trying to buy trip a year. They know he's not ready to start this year. So we're going to try to piece it together this year. They're kind of throwing bodies at it. Kind of like what? They did with linebacker last year until they find a combination that works and they'll probably going to next offseason looking for a left tackle but it just seems like they're you know they want they want to get pipkins every chance to succeed every chance to prove them right so to speak and the best way to do that right now is to piece it together this year and hopefully he develops and by the end of the year. He's ready to be a starter and twenty twenty one because right now he's not so office attack. It was a big league on the draft. We talked about cornerback outside of Casey Hayward who is going to be cornerback to they didn't go and draft a cornerback eagerness draft what. What are your feelings on the depth chart of having Michael Davis Braden face-on maybe even a literally as that cornerback to I'd Kinda like to see Adalina competition at cornerback. To to be honest with you I have seen enough of Mike Davis. I don't really think face on belongs out there. Starting corner my opinion. He's a much better tackler Davis but I don't think he's very good in coverage so I'd like to see actually get a chance to compete in that role I think they probably went in not realizing how many how many how many draft resources teams like the chiefs in the raiders and the Broncos WE'RE GONNA spend on speed in their wide receiver groups and they didn't I guess they stuck with their plan. They weren't react reactionary and they didn't draft a bunch of corners trying to match speed with those guys. But now they're in a position where they they have one of the slower defensive backfield's in in the division and the division got a whole lot faster on offense so I think they're gonNA find out pretty quick that they help a corner. They're not very deep there. If one guy gets hurt. They're screwed and now you're looking at Casey Hayward he's what thirty two He could be a CAP casualty at the end at the end of twenty twenty depending on how he plays this year. Mike Davis is on a one year. Deal face on is not very good They just don't have a lot of depth there and they could be in a position where they're looking for two new starting corners next year as opposed to just one because they didn't anticipate the need and address it this year. Yeah Chris Harris getting up there in age too it's an aging group a somewhat slower group -serily not having the experience of playing corner since his first two years in college so You know there's there's a lot of question marks there and the fact that there was no corners drafted another another questionable move and then to me. The other one is interior defensive line. I mean you know they. They've got their three tax and tillery and just Jones court has brought. I Know Jones place on one tack last season but right now it's basically invol- Bell Joseph who's the true won. Tek and I mean to me that leaves three pretty big holes and they weren't able they doubled up on their wide receivers. They doubled up quote unquote on their linebackers. If you want to include Gilman as a nickel dime linebacker in that role but didn't end up getting three big positions of need going to this draft. They didn't address it at all. Yeah I think you would have at least expected them to address the interior offensive line. I didn't really think they'd take tackle early. And I wasn't terribly surprised and take one at all just because I think like I said they just signed a Laga and they believe in Pipkins so that I don't think they were motivated to replace pipkins yet But they definitely needed some depth in on the interior line for sure you know. You're looking at pouncey being hurt. There's uncertainty surrounding there's uncertainty surrounding Fini you don't know what they think of. Scott Quezon Berry so you would have thought they take at least one lineman if not tackle than somebody on the interior and then missing out on the Interior Defensive Line. I think they just looked at it. I'd be really surprised if we don't see They mean square comeback and the next couple of weeks. I think he'll be the guy they bring back on a cheap one year. Deal to plug a hole and provide a little bit of veteran depth and some leadership And then the corner position we talked about. I think it's a problem. I think they're gonNA come back to bite them a lot like the offensive line. Did last year survivor Williams. Another name. I like. He he played pretty good for them. Last year could be a possible death piece on the Interior. But yeah I mean you know. Can't fill every hole. Clearly I mean they only had seven picks but you know I liked some of the stuff they didn't they three Getting better at the linebacker Kenneth Murray was good. They got their quarterback not the one we wanted but they got one and there was some some good things. They got their power back. We talked about how they should have done that. Maybe a little bit earlier than we wanted. But how were you grading this twenty twenty draft class as your sprinklers? Kick on obviously as we're about to wrap this up. How do you grade this draft? I think when you look at the draft as a whole and you look at the things. They did already in the in the first draft where they draft. Justin Herbert to help him and make things easier on him I think they had A. They had a really good draft not a great draft but a really good draft and I think the failure to address the interior defensive line in the offensive line is kind of what holds back from being a great draft. So I'm going to save from a grade standpoint. You know bringing Herbert in bringing a couple of long-term weapons around him. Things didn't help him feel comfortable and making feel at home. I'm going to say I give the draft a solid b I think it was like I said a very good draft. I think they did a good job of trying to put her in a position to succeed. And I I do like the Marie pick after going back and looking at it. I think Murray was a solid pick. I think he's going to really help them. He was the most experienced linebacker in the draft class. Second most athletic linebacker in the draft class. And he's big physical and he's going to be a banger in the middle of that defense so I'll give it a solid be really only held back by the fact that they didn't address either line at all in a in an offseason thought to address both in some way. Yeah I think if the chargers and finding an offensive tackle or interior defensive Lineman or another corner this greg. It's boosted up. Because they've got a fallback plan which is great but looking at it a day after the draft. There's a lot a whole still that. They didn't end up filling in terms of the draft. They got their quarterback. They didn't trade out forum and he was one of their top six players the fact that they needed a quarterback got one that high since they had the six overall pick was good. It was the right move. Wasn't quite the quarterback we wanted but I understand it getting these wide receivers a helps him out and what he can do. Getting power back helps out. You're running back group Being able to upgrade your your linebacker core the second level Ken Kenneth Murray is good. I'm not a fan of trading up for a linebacker I just don't think it's as important of a position group to surrender a third round. Pick for it especially when you have all these other holes in the roster so I'm not that bad but still not the way I would go. I would probably give it a C plus. There's a lot of just. These are good players. Not Kenneth Murray is really good but Herbert's find me Kelly's find me the wide receivers. I like Gilman is just whatever to me so to me. There wasn't something that was so much fun that gave it just above above average to A. B. so I'm in the C plus minus range. Now if they can make some moves and bring out some veterans and fill some of these holes we can bump that up for me is a C plus get that. I think you know. You're drafting a big or not. You're grading a big unknown and Herbert. Without really Oh yeah. We don't really have the full picture right now. We think we know what they're gonNA do with them but we really don't and he's ultimately going to be the one who determines how how this draft works out for the team. Yeah and that might not and it's not be Herbert's fault. Steichen can just revert back to his game plan. He gave for two thousand nineteen inches. Give Herbert that book I. It sounds like they're going to different row they've talked about rollouts and some RPO's and stuff but you know hopefully Steichen can do that and they can cater to him and that offense and so yeah. It's it's hard to tell what quarterback Warren Again. Because you know it depends on what kind of system they're gonNA install with him right right. I think we have a pretty good idea of what they're gonNA do but we have to see them actually do it. Will they commit to it right all right? Well that's going to do it for US guys. I don't know if we'll do another podcast. Maybe some other time. Maybe some big news breaks or we feel like it but because of the current circumstances we have the time so recording. Our Second. Podcast when we said. We're pretty much done so. Thank you everybody for listening. I am at Garissa stay on twitter. Jamie at lightning underscore round. We will see next time thanks everybody.

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RTFF # 330:  Wildcard Weekend

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RTFF # 330: Wildcard Weekend

"It's time to eat in my Bella, sit down and get ready to consume in abundance of fantasy football from Russ Tucker and Evan Silva me so hungry on the fantasy feast evening podcast. Yeah. Let's aid baby. It is the fantasy fees eating podcast. And if you're looking for a place to make your online wagers head over to bed, online dot AG. Use promo code podcast one to receive a fifty percent sign up today, but online dot AG your online sportsbook experts. He is Evan Silva the road world superstar who based on a lot of your tweets that you send to me at Ross Tucker. NFL earn him at Evans Silva is the guy that has been able to help. So many of you win your fantasy football leagues. I love that. I don't know. But you I love getting those tweets to both of. Us when Evans insight on this show during the season help people win their season-long leagues. Of course. It's not over yet. The next few weeks are really fun and challenging on DFS and on draft kings and make it really really interesting. So that's really what these weeks are about number one. It is a lot of fun. Always just from pure football standpoint to get your analysis. Evan of all the games. What you think is going to happen things to watch. It's really great analysis just for the game in general, and obviously for people that are going to be playing DFS. It's absolutely fantastic. So highly encourage you guys to all check it out and make sure even though you're season-long league might be over that you still listen to everything Evan has. We won't have to episodes anymore. Right. I mean. There's only four games. So just one episode of the fantasy feast from here on out, but it is year round. And we do have four awesome games to break down. So let's do it next meal. Meal. All right Evan. So before we actually get into your breakdown of these four games. Can you just give me and I'm sure some of the other listeners as well. A refresher course in what we're really trying to accomplish what the keys are when you're playing facet draft kings or wherever this weekend. A lot of people will say to not. Play a cash games, which is where you're just trying to finish in the top half. Or you're just trying to beat someone one on one. I actually disagree with that. I think that there are. Plenty of advantages that we can carve out against our opponents where playing cash games is. Actually, a good decision there. There's still four games going on. So it's not like a total crap shoot. And I think it would still out thank our opponent. And just beat them. In terms of from a decision making standpoint one on one or beating finishing in the top half of a decent size field. In terms of playing tournaments. You know, you have to definitely have to be willing to go outside the box a little bit. And I mean, that's something that a lot of people struggle with I struggled with it myself. You know, there are some people that are good at thinking in in in that way and being willing to take shots on guys that are lower probability like. A guy like Keenan island in this game. Look we can project temporary safely for like nine targets. But there's a guy like Travis Benjamin who we can project for maybe only three and a half targets. But he has big playability. He's going to be cheap. No one's going to use him. And you know, he's the type of guy that you put on your DFS tournament roster. And if if he goes right in the rest of your lineup goes, right? And hey because he's cheap. He's giving you a shot to play guys that are more expensive than are higher probability. Then he can give you an advantage on everyone else that is playing in that tournament. So that is. I think that's a pretty good redux on on how we can view our tournament decision. Making versus our our higher floor cash game decision making on a four-game slate. Yeah. That was basically what I was looking for is how you balance the studs. And the guys you think you'll do really well versus you know, trying to be countered different than everybody else. So you actually have a chance like in a tournament actually win it. Yeah. And as we go through each game, you know, I'll definitely make sure to point out. Hey, you know, this guy is probability is probably pretty low. But he also does have big playability, you know, and and we can adjust for that. Okay. Let's do it. And we'll just go in order. So we'll start with the Texans and the colts where the Houston Texans are hosting the Saturday four thirty PM eastern time wildcard game for the thirty seventh consecutive year, which I believe is a record. Yeah. This is the best game on the slate. Also. And I think it's oddly scheduled because the the colts just played on Sunday night football. And you know, why wouldn't we stretch them out to to Sunday instead of making them play on Saturday? And then why are we having the chargers? Play in a one PM eastern time game in Baltimore one of the furthest eastern locations in the NFL. I think that it would have been nicer if we could get the colts Texans on in that that later or that that earlier Sunday start as opposed to. And then have the ravens chargers in this in this slot. But here we are. And then I can can I answer that for you by absolutely because all they care about is the television ratings and the dollars. Because this is pro football. It's a business and the bears eagles as well. As cowboy Seahawks are going to get much bigger ratings than ravens chargers and Texans colts. So everything they do is ratings driven, and we could debate whether or not they should do more more of it should be a competitive thing where the colts shouldn't have to play back to back road games night game short old thing in the chargers. But you know, it's not like it's a Sunday to Thursday at least six days for everybody. And in their mind. You know, it's all about the ratings and the to NFC games are just much just going to do much bigger numbers for them, ratings wise. Okay. Well this first game is the best game for fantasy on the entire slate. The total is forty eight forty eight and a half. The next highest total was like forty three forty three and a half the game is going to be played indoors. When these teams played in the regular season. Both games were pretty high scoring. Andrew luck had three hundred ninety nine four hundred sixty four yards passing in both of these teams regular season meetings. And to me is the best play on the entire. DFS slate for week eighteen I mean. The texans. They have good like season long past defense stats, but they faced the easiest schedule in the entire NFL. Particularly in terms of all the quarterbacks that they faced when they did play good quarterbacks. They just got crushed. They got crushed late in the season by Nick foles as I mentioned the got crushed twice by Andrew luck. Also, both of Andrew lucked pass catchers are in great spots protections were bottom three team against a at in defense against tight ends may tied at quarterbacks when targeting tight ends completed seventy six percent of their passes almost nine yards per tempt nine touchdowns. And then they are also one of the worst teams defending speedy outside receivers we saw that with Robbie Anderson a guy that we really liked on that on that individual Saturday slate. That help people win a lot of money that week and t y Hilton has just crushed the the tight the Texans every single time that that he has played at reliant stadium. Basically mean, he's averaging one hundred thirty three yards per game in his career seven-game sample when he plays at reliant stadium. And you know, there's been a lot of talk about is is is ankle injury. But man, this guy led the NFL in receiving yards by over a hundred yards in weeks ten through seventeen and Dr Chow says that he doesn't even think the as a series injury and they've been holding amount out of practice. I think he's healthier than actually the team has led on based on based on his production. And based on what Dr Chow has seen from the video. And it's almost like they're kind of trying to play it up. I mean, either way I think that you know, you Braun and help are both in great spots to have productive wildcard round games. We can work our way down the depth chart. Dontrelle Inman has been pretty steady forty plus charge indoor touchdown in six of his eight games as a Colt. I think he's going to be popular in daily fantasy as a play this week it make it makes a lot of sense. He's the clear number two receiver for the colts. At this point, Chester Rogers, though, isn't terribly far behind him. From routes run and target expectation standpoint, he's about like five routes run for game in terms of expectation below Dontrelle Inman, and he's about a target. Maybe only a half target behind him in terms of all your expectation. And I think he's going to be a lot lower owned in daily fantasy than will be Dontrelle Inman. So something to keep in mind. You know, there are other peripheral referral guys who can make plays. Mo- alley. Cox only had seven catches all year. But five of them went for seventeen plus yards in two went for touchdowns. He's an incredible athlete was a big time like rebounder and chop block occur at VCU believe he's he's progress as a player, but he doesn't run many routes only ran five pass routes last week in the backfield. Nahim Hines is asleep. For especially on draft gangs, the full p PR he there are two ways that he can potentially have a better game than expect acted number one of Frank Reich. Just game plans to give him a better role than he usually has which does make sense because the Texans are really good against the rhyme. But they've given up a lot of production to a receiving backs this season in nineteen Hines over the past five or six weeks was a guy who would average about five catches for a forty receiving yards per game. So he could get there in terms of of from game plan standpoint. And then he could also get there if the colts fall behind the Texans, which I mean, look, I think that the culture gonna win. But that doesn't mean that they're going to win. It doesn't mean that they're gonna stay ahead the whole game so him. Hi there. A couple of ways that he can get home for Marlin MAC. It is a really difficult matchup. Because Marlin MAC was not involved in the passing game very much over the course of the year. And it does help that Ryan Kelly is gonna come back. But man, he's playing through he's playing through injury. So you know, how healthy is he gonna be? But I think that to end the day Marla MAC is kind of touchdown or bus guy. He does have a shot at twenty touches in this game in there just aren't many running backs that have a shot at twenty touches in a on the entire slate. So those are things that are working in his favor on the other side to Shawn Watson was uneven in his two games against the colts. One thing that was consistent about Shawn Watson is that. He took a lot of sacks. He took seven sacks in the first one. He took five sacks in the second one. You look at the pricing on a daily fantasy sites and colts are Niro at the bottom in terms of how much they cost. So you know, even on down to the defense. I think this game is the best one to attack. Now that brings up, you know, the the idea that if you're playing in tournaments like, you know, that everyone is going to have a lot of this game. So keep your eye out on good plays. If you're playing turnament keep your eye out on good place from the west rest of the weekend. And you know, try to sprinkle those guys into to be a little bit different. And just understanding that sings don't usually don't go the way that we expect them to but on the Texan side, they're saying that KiKi q t is gonna be back. This week. But but they're also saying gametime decision. I mean, he was full practice a week, but gametime decision when the practice week was over that makes you kinda scratch your head because usually guys that are full practice. They come back, but KiKi q t has been in a situation where you know, it's he's supposedly week to week. But he hasn't played a full game since week six and he's been battling this hamstring injury. Since like August fourth. So he's dicey. And I've heard that he is going to be really popular this week. And you know, maybe he's the guy that you could look away from and try to differentiate yourself further down the depth chart at the wide receiver position for the Texans. Vincent smith. I think we'll be the number two in terms of outside receiver opposite de'andre Hopkins. Vincent Smith, and he super super cheap in the slot. Receiver is either gonna be KiKi Q, tea or. Why am I forgetting who the other guy de'andre Andre Carter? Yes. The Andre Carter who had a six catch game late in the season. He had a big play a fifty yard gain on one of the in one of the Saturday games against the jets. I believe it was so he's and he's got some abilities bounced around a lot. But when there's no KiKi q t de'andre quarter gets a lot of playing time. And you know in this in these teams week fourteen meeting. The colts really went out of their way to defend deandre Hopkins. I mean, they're not typically a big time scheme defense there. They play straightaway Tampa too. You know, they're they played the most zone coverage in the NFL not necessarily scheme team, but they schemed against the Andre Hopkins using linebackers and safeties getting those guys involved. In that translated to a little bit more usage throughout the rest of the pass catcher core, Vincent Smith, and the Andre Carter or KiKi q t could potentially benefit from that one guy who benefited from it in the week fourteen. Game was Ryan Griffin. Ryan Griffin was not you know, he's not been a big time fantasy player, but he plays a lot. It gets a lot of playing time. I actually runs a lotta routes. They don't really dial up plays to get Ryan Griffin. The ball that could be different this week in their last meeting. Ryan Griffin at five catches for eighty yards late in the game. He had a forty seven yard catch and run that set up. The Andrea Hopkins touchdown gender Hopkins had four catches for thirty six yards and a touchdown. He was like giving you nothing until Ryan Griffin ripped this huge score than de'andre off Ryan Griffin ripped this huge game. Rain and then deandre Hopkins kinda cleaned up the drive with shorter TD and the colts the way that they play. It encourages d. Offenses to go after them with tight engine running backs, and they don't give up big place. They will give up stuff underneath. But you know, they're going to rely on their speed at linebacker, particularly Darius Leonard who was think Mike it offense or defensive rookie of the year. You know, they're going to rely on that type of player in Anthony Walker their middle linebacker rely on those guys to make tackles and that is worked for them. I mean shoot they have allowed. They've allowed fifteen points per game over their last seven the colts have like this is like a a legit defense. Do not take them for granted in the backfield. A Lamar Miller had about a two week ankle injury. He missed the better part of two games. You came back in week seventeen nineteen touches to Alfred blues. Five a plate eighty four percent of the snaps. The most Lamar Miller has played since week eight of the two thousand seventeen season. So they they want him to be the guy, and that's why they held him out the extra game. And I think he's going to get a near full workload is just the colts defense has been legit against the run as well. And you know, the matchup is not great. And we've only seen the mar- Miller really once in the last three weeks, so he's kind of a risky play. But I think the volume should be there for him. We can move onto the next one. All right. I love it Saturday night. It's the Cowboys and the Seahawks really looking forward to this one. And the only thing I'll add to what you said about the colts and Texans evidence. Greg Cosell sort of echoed what you said about nine Hines and really liked what they're doing name Hines and things he's going to be a big factor on Saturday. He said that yesterday on the Ross Tucker football podcast. So keep that in mind. And then it's interesting the two guys he talked about for the Cowboys against the Seahawks. Believe it or not we're Cole. Beasley and tape on Austin and thing that they might be factors against the Seattle defense, which I mean, Beasley maybe I was not expecting in the year two thousand nineteen or for him to be talking about tape on Austin potentially being a factor in a playoff game for the Cowboys. Yeah. And take on Austin. I was looking at him. He. He's played in one game sense. Like week six he played in week seventeen. He played. Thirteen snaps. And then. The latest word is that he might not play in this game. So, but I, but I hear you. He would be forced receiver, and he might be like on the receiving end of a shot play or something if they if they play many also obviously plays on special teams. In the return game. I think the better guy to look at is Beasley. I think the better got to look at his Beasley because he. In terms of wide receivers. I'm gonna talk about Blake Darwin in a minute which just in terms of wide receivers if you control for the last four weeks of the regular season. Kobe's Lee has more air yards in more targets than Michael Gallup. And Michael Gallup was a guy who was like kind of on people's radars late in the year. He was you know, theoretically getting some getting a decent number of air yards in November. And he had a couple of decent games. But Colby's Lii was getting more volume than him when push came to shove in the final month of the season. And so you know, what what we want to bet on in fantasy is the volume and just getting the opportunities. And so I would be with Gregg on coldeze Lee. He would be an intriguing sleeper Amari Cooper. You know, can he get it turned around? We could just do dot Prescott Amari Cooper together because they they're splits are really lopsided in terms of home road and in terms of zone versus man defense. You wanna get him at home? Where Amari Cooper is averaged well over one hundred yards per game like one hundred ten yards per game on the road. He's at forty five yards per game. All this is since coming from Dallas. Dak Prescott has been much better at home than on the road. Now, did you have a great road game against the giants on which instill some confidence. But he has played the seat the Seahawks twice over the last two seasons. And he was really bad at both of them, and they are a heavy zone defense, and they are good at rushing the passer, and that is the Cowboys weakness on their offensive line. They can still run block. But their pass protection has been a major issue all season. And I mean, realistically like they have one of the worst pass protection units in the NFL. I mean, they are number two in sachse loud. They are twenty eighth in adjusted sacree at football outsiders, and now they're facing a Seahawks defense that finished number eleven in sacks number four and quarterback hits. And. Getting pressure from both the interior from Giran read and getting pressure from off the edge with Frank Clark. So this is a very dangerous pass rush unit for Seattle and the Cowboys have shown very little ability to handle pass protection. Well, Tyron Smith, not the same guy. Both guards have dealt with injuries. They benched Connor Williams. A essentially they lost Travers Frederick early in the year, and the right tackle college has been pretty inconsistent throughout his career. So, you know, there are reasons for this. And it's a real thing and the Seahawks defense is very much in play because of that in terms of a defense that could rack up some sax create some turnovers and also has an explosive element in the return game in Tyler Lockett. But to to finish up Dallas. I mean, Zeke is you know, the the Seahawks are kind of like a run funnel defense because they are good at creating pressure on quarterbacks, but they've been bad against the run in the second half of the season. And you know that is the strength of the Cowboys offense. Despite what we saw on week seventeen Zeke is coming off the rest week. A he was highly active in the passing game in the second half of the year. You look at you know, just just for the Cowboys week eight bye and weeks nine through sixteen in which he played he of course, rest in week seventeen weeks nine through sixteen the only running back it had more targets than him, which Christian McCaffrey, the only running back to more catches than him was Christian, McCaffrey. And the only running back that had more receiving yards in the NFL than him was Christian McCaffrey and the cowb- and the Seahawks gave up the six most receiving yards. Per game in the NFL two opposing RB's and the third most catches per game in the NFL two opposing RB's. So. Zeke. I think is just a lock button play. He's also a home favourite. Dax scares me for the reasons that we've discussed in that that trickles down to Amari Cooper. There are sites there DFS sites where Amari Cooper is a good value in there are DFS sites where he is not a good value. And you know, you you got to kind of figure that out tight end Blake jar win. He came on really strong in the in the late in the season. Of course, he had the monster game against the giants in week seventeen. He also had a game that was really spiked. In terms of usage against the eagles were Dak had like fifty five pass attempts. Most of his career game went to overtime cetera. But you know, he he finished number seven among targets among tight ends in targets in the final month of the season. And he also finished third among tight ends in fantasy points behind only. Evan Ingram and George Kittle in the final month of the season. He'll also top finish top seven area. Ours among tight end. So I think that he is a guy to take seriously, unfortunately, all that really inflated his price and brought up his price. So you know, you have to deal with that. But it puts him in play on a slate. Where a tight ends are there. Just aren't very many dude tight ends. And we will move over to Seattle where you really just don't wanna play there tight ends at all because Nick Vinet and Ed Dickson like share time right down the middle. Neither of them. Get very tired very many targets and they're just guys to avoid. But there are. Guys in the Seattle pass catcher core to target in the guy who stands out the most. I think is Doug Baldwin. Doug Baldwin took week fourteen off with a hip injury. And in weeks fifteen through seventeen I mean, he came back hot. And he came back getting all the opportunity than you want. I mean, he was number seven in the NFL area arts from weeks fifteen through seventeen Doug Baldwin is kind of a different type of slot receiver. You know, he's not like a an all underneath guy like, you know, Danny amendola or Colby's -ly. I mean, he's definitely a guy who can run deeper Rouch and his great after the catch. But to see him number seven in the NFL and area arts for three weeks span that that really stands out pretty much for any slot receiver, and he had eleven more targets than any other player on the Seahawks fifty three so. Lot opportunity there, and he was balling. I mean Doug Baldwin played really really. Well, when it can't after sitting out that week, and he's got a great matchup this week because you look at the construction of the Cowboys cornerback core. The guys you want avoid or Byron Jones and should be woozy. Big dudes incredible athletes, you know, long arms guys you want to stay away from while outside receivers had problems with those guys all season long. This guys are pretty healthy Doug Baldwin sixty five percent in the slot, though. Run sixty five percent of his routes in the slot. Anthony Brown, I think is a guy that we can attack in the slot. He dealt with back injuries in Ross. Of course, you've talked a lot about guys plan trying to play through back injuries. And he missed time late in the season. And he wasn't very effective. Quarterbacks in the sec from the Cowboys week eight bye on. When targeting Anthony Brown went twenty seven of thirty six passing average over nine yards per pass attempt. Threw three touchdowns and one interception. So I think the Doug Baldwin can win against in the slot against Anthony Brown Tyler Lockets of volume took a big hit as the target distribution really skewed toward Doug Baldwin late in the year in in those final three games after Doug Baldwin came back from the hip injury. Tyler Lockett, just turned into like an all out. Deep threat is a dot averaged up the target was twelve yards which is a pretty reasonable expected dot for Tyler Lockett in weeks one through thirteen or in weeks one through fourteen and then in weeks fifteen through seventeen is eight went up to twenty one yards. So he is on average being targeted twenty one yards downfield. He. Only got nine targets total in those final three games. So he morphed from a guy who's a little bit more versatile. Played, you know, play played a lot of slot. And he's still playing a lot of slot. But he's running deep routes out of the slot. You know, any became a pure deep threat, a low volume deep threat. So those are things to keep in mind about Tyler Lockett. He is an intriguing play when you play the Seahawks defense because if you play Tyler Lockett in the Seahawks defense in the same DFS lineup and then Tyler Lockett runs back a punt return or a kick return. You are going to get six points for that for Tyler Lockett in you get six points for the for the Seahawks defense. Now, the probability of that happening is extremely low a main. Let's you know, let's be real. But it's also the probability of you winning a big daily fantasy. Tournament is always it also extremely low. So, but you know, that's a way to be a little bit different. And it's also a way to maybe capital out. You know, you essentially double up on your points in a guy who also fits in with that correlation would be Chris Carson because look if the Seahawks get ahead of the Cowboys. They are going to be in more of those pass rich situations maybe rack up five or six sacks on Dak and they will be run run friendlier situations and the Cowboys showed some run defense cracks late in the years. It was kind of weird. I mean, they were consistently dominant against the run all year. And then all of a sudden week fifteen Marlin MAC runs all over them week seventeen saquon Barkley runs all over. Now. Those were both games those were both away games. And the Cowboys were great at home this year. So, you know, keep that in mind. I it's it's not necessary. -sarily a good forecast. Predictor of what is going to happen in this wild card round. But it does suggest that they're not as impenetrable in run defense as they were all season. And we know about Chris Carson Seahawks. Love to feed him the rock. He comes in with twenty plus touches in four straight games. He's playing at a really high level. He's mixed in some big catch games as well. Cowboys give up a lot of catches and receiving yards. Two opposing our bees. Reshad penny came back last week only played four snaps four touches enforce naps. And I think that he's probably just going to focus on kickoff. Returns lining up back there with Tyler Lockett in in the wildcard round, the number two back. Mike Davis is a little bit of a sleeper. He had a lot of passing game usage this season. And as I mentioned the Cowboys gave up a lot of catches two running backs as well if the Cowboys take. The lead in to me. This is the hardest game to predict on the entire loud card slate. It's it's like a one or two points spread. It's been kind of moving back and forth all week. And I just I don't know. I just don't know in my in my final column, I headed his twenty four twenty three game in favor of Dallas. But I I have no confidence in that whatsoever. I think with Chris Carson though, you can count on the volume it's not gonna be there as reliably with Mike Davis. But you know, that he's going to get some usage to project him at like seven to eleven touches in this game. And he's gonna play majority in the passing game. Russell Wilson is you know, maybe the most dangerous quarterback on the slate. Just in terms of you know, we know that he can be a difference maker. And if he falls behind like he can put a team on his back, and you know, wind up out scoring every quarterback on the entire slate. And I think it is ownership is going to be low. I think that a lot of people are going to go to Watson and luck. I think some people are going to go to Trubisky which will make sense, and we'll talk about in a little bit. I think some people will will look back, and I think it Russell Wilson will be very very reasonable in terms of his ownership percentage. I think you play him with Doug Baldwin out. Talk about David Moore cer- David Moore had an awesome game in the Seahawks week twelve upset of the Panthers. Was like a hero in that game. And he was actually a second his second straight one hundred yard game. And then I don't know what happened, but the bottom just fell out on David Moore I made from weeks thirteen through seventeen David Moore had thirty two yards on sixteen targets. That's about as bad as it gets. I mean that's worse than like running back efficiency in the passing game. And they started a mess with his playing time a little bit ban. He so cheap. And I I would love to I would love to love David Moore as daily fantasy play. But I just I don't know what the heck happened late in the season. He finished playing a lot. I mean, he played a lot at the end way more than Gironde Brown. I think he's going to be the clear cut number three receiver. His matchup is bad on paper. Or, you know. But I believe in him as a player it just seemed like he hit hit a wall late in the season there. And so he's going to be highly highly risk risky, but man, he's cheap. And we know that he can play from what he showed us this season. We can move onto the next one Sunday ravens chargers. What do you got? Well, we saw these teams play in week sixteen and you know, that was a game that was out in LA. I don't know, you know, the chargers don't have home field advantage because they don't have fans, unfortunately. But they they, but they got worked at home twenty to ten. By the same ravens team. The ravens actually had one of their worst rushing games since Lamar Jackson took over at quarterback only on only quote unquote, only one hundred fifty nine nine rushing yards from them. Gus Edwards rip the huge Ron on like the first play the game. And the rest of the way it just it wasn't. You know, it wasn't really happening on the ground for the ravens. But Lamar Jackson made a monster throat. A Mark Edwards in the game. You know, there wasn't a lot of scoring total. The ravens defense to shutdown Philip rivers. So that you know, it gives us something to talk about. But I you know, as I mentioned this game has playing being played at one PM eastern time in one of the NFL's most eastern locales in Baltimore. And the chargers are, you know, maybe the most western locale, and they are traveling for a one PM eastern time game. I mean, it's it's kind of not fair to the chargers. And we just saw them get beat pretty handily at their place by the ravens. And now they're having to do this. So I think that we're gonna see an even better performance from the ravens they are just a really hard team to. A really hard team to beat. I mean, you know, and I I've heard some some of the sharper like sports bettors that that I'm familiar with. They like them as a sleeper to go to the Super Bowl the ravens. And and this is actually the most lopsided a public game. The public is on the chargers. Seventy percent of the bats are on the chargers in this game. So this is a great opportunity to fade the public if you like to do the futures bats. I would look at the ravens. I mean, I I know that like, I guess people just don't believe in Lamar Jackson right now. But they are six in one with Amar Jackson at quarterback they and the only game that they lost. They almost beat the chiefs. They took the chiefs to overtime in KC. I mean that is really really impressive. And I think that they're going to win pretty handily in this game. And they have the ability to just suck the life out of your offense. Because we talked about it last week teams facing the ravens were averaging almost eleven fewer offense a place for game when they face the ravens. And then you're having to beat the ravens. With you know, losing twenty percent of your offensive play volume. And then when you do get to get to be on the field when your offense does get to be on the field. You're having to face the frigging ravens defense. You know? So it's it's a really hard situation for any team. It doesn't matter like even the chiefs. You know, they they only one twenty seven or twenty four at home. It's a really hard situation for any team to to play in. And I think the charges are going to have a really hard time with it. And then last week the Browns averaged they finished as top ten team in terms of offensive play volume. Only ran fifty four place against the ravens and that was ten point six fewer plays than their season average. So that that held strong last week Nick Chubb was a massive bust, you know, etcetera etcetera, and I think that I you know, there is not really a player on the chargers right now that I would be excited to play beyond Keenan Allen people are going to try to talk themselves into hunter Henry, Dr Xiao doesn't even he's kind. Even still skeptical that hunter Henry is gonna play. If he does plays can be playing three way rotation with Virgil green and an Tonio gates. You know, that's I don't like to play that way. I'm sure that people have of you know, one money, you know, throwing darts like that. I I I don't like to do that. I'm certainly not the greatest DFS player in the world by any means. I'm probably a little bit above average. But I I would try to avoid situations like that where you don't know about playing time. And you're setting your lineups on Saturday. You don't even know if the dude is gonna play on Sunday. So you're gonna have to like get creative and make late swaps, and, you know, prepare for that just you know, I I would try to avoid Mike Williams is a guy. I'm sure that people are going to try to try to play in, you know, he's a better player than he's a better play than Tyrone Williams is getting way more area. Archway more targets down the stretch. The season. But he's been a ghost for most of the year except for that one primetime game against the chiefs where Keenan Allen left, and you know, the chargers like just everything went right for him. The chargers were playing from behind the I think he's a touchdown or bus guy. Same with tyrel. We talked about Travis Benjamin a little bit at the top Keenan Allen. I think is the most obviously the most the strongest play on the chargers offense. Like attacking the middle of the field against the ravens. He did not have a big game in these teams week sixteen meeting. But that doesn't mean that it can't here. And just last week. We saw a guy who's used fairly. Similarly, Jarvis Landry have a very big game against this. Same ravens defense and also leaves some yardage on the field. He had five catches for one hundred and five yards and a touchdown should had more. And I think that Keenan Allen can kind of mimic that he runs a lot of lot. Lot of similar routes to Jarvis Landry and plays in similar areas of the field. Philip rivers finished the season in really bad form. And we've he's been known to do that. He did have the great game against Kansas City, but beyond that in in three of his final four games. He threw for two hundred twenty or fewer passing yards. He threw two interceptions in each of the final three games. That the chargers had and he did not play particularly well against Denver. And he had probably is worse game all year against this. Same ravens defense at the chargers place. So he's a little bit scary as a play. Melvin Gordon is also scary as a play. He's got a mild high ankle sprain on the same leg as he. Previously battled at MC. L injury impressed from week six on and also dealt with a hamstring injury from week six on Melvin Gordon missed fully four games. And he missed parts of four other games. So he was not a healthy. He's not been healthy. What very long time and he's a very risky fantasy play. Austin Eker came back last week from his stinger injury. Now he's battling a groin injury. I think he's gonna play. But he's not one hundred percent. Justin Jackson is close to one hundred to one hundred percent as it gets in the chargers backfield right now, but you know, with Melvin Gordon active in Austin Ecuador active last week. Justin, Jackson, only had six six touches. So. You know, not a lot of reliability there on the ravens side the defense. You know, I think we're building up to the fact that the defense is a great play. They're priced accordingly in daily fantasy last week. We saw Lamar Jackson almost have that monster fantasy game that we have been hoping for you did have twenty seven fantasy points, which is a lot. He was the number five quarterback was his best. Is best fantasy game of the season. Do nothing like Josh was with Josh Allen was having late in the year. What what we're still waiting for from the March action. These 'em to have you know, one of the games like last week where he has a big rushing Danny Russia's for two touchdowns. But he also throws two touchdowns in the same day. That's what propelled Josh Allen last week. He had three passing touchdowns two rushing. And we just haven't seen that yet from the mar Jackson. I think it's going to be tough for him to have that in terms of passing against the chargers. We did have one of his better passing gate days against the chargers. So I don't know I think he's going to be fairly popular, but not too popular. And I think that he's a good play one of the things that kind of stinks about Lamar Jackson is that can't really play them with any pass catchers because guys don't aren't catching many paddock's, you know, because because they're running the ball so much. I mean, it's the run heaviest team in the NFL. They went from leading the NFL and pass attempts with Joe flacco at quarterback to being the run heaviest team making that switch on the fly. I think that Mark Andrews you could kind of hope for a repeat of what happened when these teams played in week sixteen where Mark Andrus, you know, had that monster touchdown catch. But man that was those kind of good fortune because Mark Andrews had one targeted in that game. And that was what target went for. And if you look at just as target total sense. The Mark Jackson came under center. If you look at any Raven's pass catchers, target total sense. Lamar Jackson came under center. There's really no analysis to be done. I mean there really is not you're you're hoping I it's it's a hope, and you know, there's no steady consistency all disguised. You know? Clearly Lamar Jackson showing a connection with. This guy that's not happening. And then we can talk about the running game. So last week was the first game since Kenneth Dixon came back from injured. Reserve designated for return in week thirteen. Last week was the first game where he. Had more touches than Gus Edwards. Now Gus Edwards play forty seven percent of the snaps and or forty nine percent and can addiction play twenty-seven percent. So I think that Gus Edwards is still the favourite to be deleted back. But it shows that they're they're definitely willing to give Kenneth diction more work. If he's got the hotter hand he had the hotter hand last week. I mean, he had what hundred nineteen total yards. Gus Edwards did not run poorly. But Kenneth Dixon gives them more versatility. He's got a sense returning. He's got seven targets or over the last five games. Seven targets Gus Edwards. Hedge as one recharges her another team that has given up a lot of catches and receiving yards two opposing our beats. So and I think that if you're gonna play just a Sunday only DFS slate, you can play Dixon and Gus Edwards together. A especially if you think like I do that. The ravens are going to kind of control this game. And and that would lead to a lot of rushing attempts. I mean as a team they could legit get like fifty rushing attempts. If you including our Jackson, if things kind of go that way, if they control this game, and that would leave a lot of lot of potential workload for kind of Texan and Gus Edwards. We can move onto the next one. All right. Let's wrap it up last but not least bears eagle. Yeah. This is a game. Where I mean, the eagles are outmatched on paper. And but I you know, I would have said the same thing last year when they were playing the frigging Vikings in the NFC championship game. I mean, it was it was very clear, you know, on paper. That the eagles were overmatched. But man, I mean. Nick foles had a magical run. And can that happen again? He's been playing at a pretty high level. So and we know that he's a high variance player. It's like either he's gonna play like an all pro or is gonna play like a fringe NFL backup. You know, there's no in between with Nick foles really teams tend to play like or quarterbacks tend to play like fringe NFL backups against the bears. And you know that goes for pretty much every quarterback. I mean one of the last ten quarterbacks to face the bears at a top twelve fantasy finish just one. And it was quarterback eleven was Kirk cousins. And he kind of did it in garbage time in that prime time games believe it was either a Monday night or Sunday night game. Who's the quarterback eleven that's the only quarterback. Two. To to finish inside the top twelve against the bears in their last ten games. So. It's it's hard to get fantasy points against the bears. They allowed the fewest fantasy points in the NFL. Two running backs allowed the third fewest fantasy points in the NFL two quarterbacks. You know, you're hoping for a miracle with Nicole's and a he's shown that he kind of has, you know, he's kind of a miracle worker. But it's it is definitely not a comfortable situation. If you're gonna plan with someone I think you play him without Sean Jeffrey, and I'm about to listen to that to the Rostock podcast with Greg Cosell. And I'll be interested to see what he what he says to hear what he says about this situation. But my expectation is that Vic Fangio double teams Zach ertz, and Sean Jeffrey is the guy that might have a few more opportunities on the outside the bears actually gave up the fifth most catches per game in the NFL too wide receiver. Hours on the season. It's a revenge game for Al Sean Jeffrey. And Altron Jeffrey is Nick foles, dude. I recalculated just all the targets and all the other received in production from a full to Jeffrey and foles to everyone else. You can read by matchups column. It's in my pin. Tweet on Twitter. But I mean, he's half reaching almost twelve yards per attempt when he just throws the ball to alshon Jeffery with an eight point three touchdown rate. And everyone else it's like. Seven yards per attempt and three percent touchdown rate. So. And I think that Sean can win against muka Mira in Kyle fuller on the outside fuller had a great year terms interceptions. Not the biggest guy alshon is one of the biggest guy long arms. You know can win contested can win when he's covered in. Nick foles is willing to throw the ball to him when he's covered. Moving down the depth chart. I think the Dallas Qatar is a pretty interesting as tight end sleeper on a slate. Where will I will in a game where I think that is going to get double team? Again, it doesn't mean that urge is gonna do nothing in the game. But I do think that he's going to have a lot of coverage assigned to him. You know, Fangio has double team guys like gronk in the past. He double team Jimmy Graham earlier this year. He he he will use selective double teams on guys. He he's the perfect example of defensive coordinator who doesn't just go and run his scheme, but he schemes to attack the offense. And I know that that sounds ridiculous that you know, we even have to point that out. But like not a lot of guys do that. But he very he does that maybe the most aggressively of any defensive mind, maybe outside of ballot check, and he's going to be very. Aggressive in using using scheme and doing things and trying to make the offense play without some of its best players and do things that it's uncomfortable billing so that I think could work to the benefit of Dallas Goddard the bears. This is something that warrant sharp pointed out to me bears have faced one of the lowest rates of two tight end sets in the NFL this year. And they also I think they faced the absolute lowest rate of three tight end sets in the NFL this year. And you know, the eagles will have drives where they will use thirteen personnel. Three tight end sets for an entire series. And so I think that that's an interesting dynamic in this game. A third tight end would be Richard Rodgers. We don't really wanna mess with him and fantasy but that would get Dallas Goddard on the field. More and Dallas Qatar is he's going to be an absolute stud in the league. I know he didn't have a bunch of big games. He had a few big games, but he would be an intriguing sleater sleeper on a bad tight end slate in the receiver core talked about alshon behind Erz and Al Sean for both air yards and targets during Nick foles weeks. Fifteen through seventeen starts was Nelson Agla and Nelson Igor also led the team in slot routes during that time the bears lost their slot corner. Bryce Callaghan to a broken leg in week fourteen. And as they have acquired after they acquired golden Tate, which has been a disaster as we've discussed and he still been on the field. And when he's on the field. I mean, no, they'll manufacturer some targets to him for sure. But I don't think you really wanna use them in fantasy. You can always try to get cute, and maybe it'll work, but with but since they've acquired him Nelson Agla running his eight dot has has gone up a running some deeper routes and he's made some big plays down the football field bears. Hardly give up any big place. But you know, a lot of this stuff comes down to opportunity. Nelson. Adler is a guy that probably people are just not going to use in DFS, but his opportunity has been pretty strong SUV could find him at a decent price. I think he's a guy. We're taking a shot on in the backfield. It's just been a three man rotation. Wendell Smallwood Darren sproles, Josh Adams. I think if I was gonna pick someone I would probably go with sproles he has been playing over the last three games. Forty one percent of the snaps. He's used most in the passing game. And you know, it passing game gives you better big play opportunities than the running game. Josh Adams is all running game. Wendell Smallwood is mostly running game that can do a little bit of both. But he's also been his usage has been super inconsistent. He had pretty good usage in we sixteen nothing in week seventeen. And then last week came back with pretty good usage. So just don't know what we're going to get with him. But I think I would go with Darren sproles on the bear side. And this'll be the last team that we discuss Mitchell Trubisky is awfully interesting as a play and. A big reason for that is that the the eagles really struggle to defend mobile quarterbacks. And it's not because they're giving up like one hundred yard rushing games to to mobile quarterbacks. It's because these quarterbacks have been having success both on the ground and in the air against Philadelphia. And it was you know to Shawn Watson and week sixteen. It was the number two overall famous quarterback. It was a little bit earlier on it was it was docked Prescott, you know, the the week before he he had he was the number one overall fantasy quarterback. He was also the number nine fantasy overall quarter overall fantasy quarterback when these teams played before that Cam Newton was a number three overall famous quarterback against the eagles. Marcus mariota was the number seven overall finish a quarterback against eagles. Blake Bortles number twelve overall fantasy quarterback against the eagles. So. So. You know, the these quarterbacks that can move have been giving the eagles problems and Mitchell Trubisky can move one prop just bed if you can find this prop. He's been set at twenty and a half rushing yards for Mitchell Trubisky or if you get it even at like twenty one and a half or twenty two and a half. I think it's worth it. And I guess they're just looking at like recent recent games because. Because Mitchell Trubisky is not since he came back from a shoulder injury hasn't been running as much of a Jordan Howard has been running a lot more. And I think they might just have been trying to go a little bit of vanilla late in the year, and, you know, not use Mitchell Trubisky as much as a runner, but Mitchell Trubisky is a top three or four running quarterback in the in the entire NFL you finish number five in rushing yards despite missing two games and the only quarterback that finished ahead of him in rushing yards. Was that had a higher yards per carry? Average was Josh Allen, but Trubisky average over six yards per Terry. And he could get there on one play to get there on one rushing attempt. Beat this prob on one run. So that of all the props that I've heard about that that I've seen it. Mitchell Trubisky over twenty and a half rushing yards. I think that's an awesome awesome prob to hit. And I also think that he's a good play in daily fantasy in stacks with Tarik Cohen Tariq Cohen. I'm sorry. Tariq Cohen Torri Cohen. I think is going to be a real real problem for the eagles. I don't know exactly how they're going to deal with him. You know, they've got this depleted secondary. Their entire first team second in their look, they're their secondary has held up well recently, but I you know, I don't know if that's necessarily gonna continue to translate. And I mean, they face you know, they faced a pretty weak schedule down the stretch. And they want a lot of close games early in the season. They were losing the close game. So the the regression to the mean kinda hit him. But I I still think they're secondary to attack. Enteric Tariq Cohen can run downfield routes. He can turn check downs into big games. He's going to be active and get you know, supplemental touches in in in the return game. And if Terry an if Mitchell Trubisky throws a touchdown pass to Tariq Cohen who finished third among all NFL running backs in receiving yards and finished fourth among NFL running backs in receiving. Touchdowns, you know, then then that's gonna pay off as a stack in daily fantasy. I think that's my favorite stack from this game. Obviously fools out Sean Jeffrey up there as well. In the receiver core. It's always a crapshoot with the bears. But in the final months of the season. Allen Robinson led the team in. Targets per game at seven point eight. He also led the team in both total area arts and total receiving yards despite missing week seventeen of but he's going to be at one hundred percent in this game. And I think that he's a guy that's going to be able to get open against these eagles Cornerbacks. And then Taylor. Gabriel intriguing. Kind of dart throw. He's got some big playability yet some decent games down the stretch. I think he's going to be healthy. You did leave the last game with a rib injury. But everything sounds pretty good on him full practice. Dr child says you're not even really talking about him. So I think the Taylor Gabriel cheap. Anthony Miller his arm came out of the socket again last week, and Dr Chow says he's gonna play do you wanna play fantasy, dude? Who's arm is coming out of the socket? I kind of don't and then. Tight end. Tree. Burton item shaking is back in his snaps have gone up every single game. And last week. He played fifty four percent of snaps. Trae Burton is still been really active. This is you know game against his former team. I don't know if you call it a revenge game. There's nothing really to get revenge about Traber. But he's in the mix as a play. You know, I would have him probably a head of Blake Darwin. But definitely behind Eric Hebron, Zakar and. In in that vicinity just in terms of straight rankings for the wildcard slate. But yeah, that that takes care or no, I'm sorry. We do not talk about Jordan Howard last guy to talk about. He's been used a lot late in the season averaging nineteen point five touches per game. Over the last four, I don't know what to think about the eagles run defense because from weeks ten through fifteen just got hammered on the ground. Let up five point eight yards per carry. And then they played the Texans in week sixteen without Lamar Miller. And then week seventeen. They just placed played a dead dead Redskins team and Adrian Peterson Peterson had four carries for zero yards. So. Do the eagles have a good run defense. I'm not sure, you know, they they they're personnel suggests that they should. But you know, Jordan Howard is the biggest home favourite workhorse running back on the entire slate. He the bears are favored by six points. Here. You know, he's got a low floor. He's not gonna catch passes. You did have one catch in four straight games to close out the year though, and he had three touchdowns in the final four games and in his career for in September through November games. You have four point two yards per carry and zero point three touchdowns per game. In December January games four point six yards per carry in zero point eight touchdowns per game. And if you know it's kind of like the Derrick Henry effect that we talked about late in the season. Jordan Howard, big power back listed at two thirty. That was his combine way. And I think he's probably about two forty five these days. But you know, he's the kind of back that can wear down defense lateness late in games late in the season. And I think he's a pretty good bet for touchdown against the eagles. Good luck to everyone. Evan. I love it. I am ready to rock and roll on draft kings, this weekend should be awesome. Now that I know who you think are the people I should seriously be considering this week. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #181: Mock Draft Madness 2019

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The Lightning Round Podcast #181: Mock Draft Madness 2019

"Onto white mold Carter. This is the lightning round podcasts with your host Garrett sixty and Jamie oil charges. Go. Welcome everybody like around podcast. I am Garrett. Sixty of course, at gear sits on Twitter Jamie, of course, at lightning underscore around. You know, the deal we've been here for a while are v mock draft madness here, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it for those of you. That are new what we're going to do is first of all we're going to list are first-round grades all off season. We've talked about what players we thought deserved. A first round grade. We're going to break down our top, however, many first round grades. We've got I've got fourteen I think Jamie's got sixteen. Yep. So we'll break down our top guys at first round picks. And then we're going to do mock drafts. It's going to be four total. I'm going to do what I think the charges are gonna do Jamie's going to do a mock draft. We thinks charges will do. And then we're going to do our personal mock drafts, I will do one Jamie do one. So it truly is mock draft madness because we're doing four mock drafts. But before we get to that. And the first round. Picks. We got some news. And the last thing that happened before last time we had a podcast was Travis Benjamin signed an extension if you had to name one player, you thought it was going to get an extension this off season from the charge, Jamie. How far down was Chevron Benjamin on your list? He was not on the list. He was off completely was off. So they extended Travis Benjamin to one more year. They did I think I saw a lot of people freaking out about this on Tuesday morning. And I think it's important to point out kind of. The real reason for this extension and first of all I would say looking at this as an extension is kind of an over simplification of what actually happened. I think what you see here is the chargers decided and probably rightly so that they're not entirely comfortable with their wide receiver depth going into the offseason. So without knowing what's going to happen in the draft. Or after the draft they decided to keep a quote unquote veteran presence on the on the roster wide receiver. So I think that was the primary kind of driving force behind the quote, unquote extension. They gave. I also think that this was really obviously about cutting cost. I think those are the two the two primary driving factors was keeping some depth. So that they could kind of evaluate the young wide receivers. Jeremy Davis Arteta, Scott and Dylan Cantrell without too much pressure for them to produce. And they obviously still retain the right to make Travis Benjamin of a June oppose June one cut if he doesn't if he doesn't hack it in camp. But also they wanted to save some money so through giving him a two year extension with three million dollar guarantee. They wind up saving themselves, basically two and three quarter million dollars against the cap this year. So that's a pretty significant savings and because Benjamin was in the last year deal. They couldn't do it without extending him because there was nowhere for deferred money to go. So they gave him an extra deal. But it's basically are they gave an extra year excuse me. But it's basically an empty extra year. They kind of threw him aboard. On gave him a little bit more guaranteed money. But I think everybody here understands that Benjamin probably will not be on this roster in twenty twenty. They're obviously hoping the young receiver step up and fill the fill void. And that it gives them the opportunity to move on from Benjamin who has already lost his job as the primary kick and punt returner, and now sees himself falling further and further down, the the depth chart. So he will make believed the numbers three and three quarter million dollars this year total for a total savings of two and three quarter million dollars. So they get they get a discount. He'll fall down the depth chart. He will probably continue losing snaps. Probably will not be returning punts and kicks, and he will be one of the first guys to go during the twenty twenty offseason, at least, that's my guess. Yeah. So a lot of it was about creating cap space. I mean, they didn't want outright cut them. You were talking about keeping depth. They have a lot of young guys and tyrod Williams left. In free agency. So you know, you could say that they didn't want to sacrifice wide receiver depth. They create a cap space now, which means they could sign a player before the draft. Or after the draft. They got some flexibility and then next off season. They're able to cut him. They just added that kind of funny extra year, it's a year in theory. But it's not something that's gonna last he took the pay cut this year. So they can build some room on the roster. So while hearing extension sounds bad. What they did is they save themselves money without outright, cutting them still keeping him on the roster, and then able to just get rid of in twenty twenty the plan all along. But by giving of throwing them a bone like you mentioned and keeping him for twenty twenty though we all know he will not be there in two thousand twenty. Yeah, we talked about this early in the season. We said that it made sense financially for them to cut them. But with tyrod moving on and so much uncertainty surrounding the three guys behind Travis on the depth chart and Scott Cantrell. And Davis that we didn't think it was likely they'd cut him. Just because there wasn't a whole lot of veteran presence behind Keenan and Mike Williams. So make sense. You know, you you buy you buy some time maybe kick the can down the street a little bit on drafting a wide receiver by yourself a year. Save yourself some money creates and cap space and create a less stressful environment for some of these young guys to compete and camp. And who knows maybe still forced Benjamin off the roster. Because like I said they could still make him a post June one cut and without too much, you know, brain damage so to speak. I doubt they do that. But it's a possibility so Benjamin's theoretically here gives them some flexibility to next year and kinda in the draft. You know, they can maybe wait a couple rounds if they're comfortable with it. They've got some young guys. And of course, Benjamin could be gone before the season even start so not much to worry about there. So let's go ahead and get into our draft stuff. And let's talk about our first round picks because we've been doing it all off season long. We've been talking about who we think deserves first round picks. And if you're new here we never ever have ever had thirty two guys with first round picks. So so now this year again, we do not have thirty two picks. I've got fourteen you've got sixteen Jamie. Let's go down the list. I don't know if you wanna go sixteen to one or one to sixteen but give me the players in order that deserve a first round pick in two thousand eighteen draft class also from the bottom and work my way up, but I I do think when you disclaimer here, and that we did not at least I didn't watch any interior linemen. And I don't know if you did did you watch an interior office of Lyman. No, no, I did not eat. So that's to entire position groups that aren't even included in this. I think we need to point that out. Right. Yeah. Because gear Bradbury's a popular name that a lot of guys are talking about in the first round didn't even watch them. And I know you didn't either. So. Yeah. No guards or centers just tackles that we watched. Right. So of the guys we've watched let's start with sixteen move your way up to one. I guess I have fifteen excuse me. All right, so I- fifteen total players, Cody Ford is number fifteen ninety JJ or Sega Whiteside. Number fourteen with ninety at all over is number thirteen with ninety. Devon, white is number twelve with a ninety one day. Andre Baker number eleven with ninety one. Byron Murphy is a number ten at number ten with ninety two. Cianci garter Johnson is number nine with ninety two Devon Bush number eight with ninety two my number seven overall players Juwan Taylor with ninety two. My number six overall player is David Montgomery with ninety three. My number five. Overall player is Joan Williams with ninety three. My number four overall player is. Linin Williams with ninety three. My number three overall player is Josh Allen ninety four and my top two guys are Andre Dillard with ninety five and Nick Bosa with a ninety six. All right. So I've got fourteen you've got one more than I do. David Montgomery, JJ are segue side to names, you do not see in the first round. So I give you props on that number fourteen is Christian Wilkins with a ninety at thirteen Cody Ford with a ninety never twelve is Noah fan the tied in with ninety one the edge player. Brian burns is number eleven with a ninety one number ten is Devon Bush the linebacker Michigan with ninety one. Minor nine is also chancy Gardner Johnson. The safety of Florida with a ninety two number eight is the other. I wha tight end TJ Hawkins with a ninety two at seven at all of our made it with a ninety two at six to cornerback. Byron Murphy with the ninety three at five Devon white with ninety. Three at number four. I've got tackled Jona Williams with a ninety four at number three got jaune Taylor with a ninety five and number two of got Quinton Williams with the ninety five and my number one overall prospect same as yours for the same number. It is the edge player Nick Bosa with a ninety six. So there we go. Those are the top guys. Give me your top five. So I've got Bosa Quinta Williams John Taylor, Jona Williams and Devon white for my top five Wichita five Nick Bosa, Nick Boza under a Diller. Josh Allen, Joan Williams and Quinn Williams. Okay. Are so you ready to get in this mock draft. I think we're about ready yet. Let's do it. All right. So this is going to be the chargers heavy mock draft. This is what I think the church are going to do at number twenty eight and so on for seven rounds, and we'll go ahead and get started. And this isn't what I would do. But I think what Tom let's go is going to do. So following. A twenty eight of already got it. And I am on the clock. So guys that are available. You've got drew lock available. You've got Jonathan Abrams safety at Mississippi State AG Brown, the wide receiver is available Jerry Tillery as they're the one guy that I know they're going to take is there, and it is the offensive tackle of Kansas state. Don't reisner so all the top four tackles have been taken. And I think the chargers and up going reisner. He's going to be the right tackle right away. You can kick inside to play guard or center, you know, he's got the accolades was the two thousand eighteen big twelve offense lineman of the year smart kid with durability. We talked about the last podcast. He's never missed a game. This to me is just so chargers. I think the team is hyper focused on tackling this year and impasse Schrafft's. They put a lot of value on offense of line hasn't quite worked out that well, but nonetheless, it's kind of the draft mentality. So it's all the same. I think the chargers go. Don't reisner in the first round to assure. They don't have to reach tackle later is just kind of that. You know, they did it with these fluker. They even did it with hunter Henry, you know, there was one one or two good tight ends in that class, and they reached up and grabbed Henry in the second round just so they don't have to worry about it later. And I think they do that here with reisner. He's got the versatility. This is a Lesko guy. I've got taken don't reisner at twenty eight. All right moving on to the second round. And let's talk about some of the people that are available in wide receivers Emmanuel halls available sham. Bunting popular corner is available want Thornhill. Darnell savage is available. Yanni just is available. Interesting. He's usually not there in the second round j Sturm burger if they were looking for a tight end, Joe Giles Harris is there. But I see the guy that I know they're going to take because I know I know what these are going to be even I've never been right. On this. In the second round. They're gonna take the defensive tackles Draymond Jones at Ohio State. Now. He's obviously smaller detectable. I think he's six three to eighty five. But that's kind of that Damian square profile little undersize, but Jones is definitely different player. Another versatile. Linemen lineup multiple spots. He can pass rush from the inside. This is just kind of that chargers type of pick where you get a probably more of a third round player. But because he's from Ohio State as a ton of production kind of outweighs at all the team gets their defense of tackle. It's a big need high character guy. So I think they end up going with dream on Jones in the second round. How are you feeling so far with reisner Jones? They sound like to Lesko picks. We talked at length about reisner on the last episode. I think it makes sense on some levels. I think it's a little bit of a region some levels. But you know, if you're dead set on getting a tackle. And you're choosing between him and Yanni just in the first round. Then you gotta take you gotta take reisner. I think you know, it as long as you understand that you might have to kick him inside. And you're comfortable with that. Then taking you know, a kind of a tween offense lineman who can play inside and outside gives him some versatility and some lettuces, and I think that makes sense and dream on Jones. I mean, he's that three tack that they've been rumored to have been telling people they're looking for, you know, they there was talk that they talked to what was his name Jared Ledbetter. Yup. From from Georgia and told him, you know, we're good at edge. Can you play the three tech Jones make sense? And he's a good pass rush. He's disruptive. He gets up field in a hurry. And I've seen him mock in the first round so getting him at the end of the second round. I think I'm actually a lot more comfortable with. I would not be happy with it. If it was the first round pick but getting him at sixty. I think a lot more comfortable with. I think I had a mid to late second rate on him. So I'd be I'd be not like over the moon excited about those picks. But I did with them. All right. So those are the two pick so far reisner Jones. They've got their tackling got their interior defensive linemen. And let's talk about who's available here. So Rennell ran is available. We were got are in interior defensive linemen. I don't think they go back to back here. They've got Kelvin Harmon JJ or Sega Whiteside is available. David Montgomery, your first round pick still available here in the third round. They've got Jamal Deen. There is Kaelin Saunders. Still available Tyree Jackson is there. But you know, what I think they go a little sideways here. Least a little bit against the grain. They're going to pick. The titan Dawson knocks at ole miss have a feeling the chargers jump a little bit early on tight end this year hundred Henry's coming up on a new contract soon hasn't played sixteen games in his career. When he's healthy. He is all the tied in one you need. But this is a guy that's more of a projection because he was so criminally under utilized at ole miss. We kind of talked about tight end podcast. He would be a perfect tied into right away. He's got a real shot at being a borderline tied in one. I think chargeable love him because Knox is such a good two nations. Blocker. And that's what kind of turn them about hunter Henry, you wouldn't have to take hunter Henry or dossier knocks off the field. They keep on all three downs. Even though this is a little off script here. I think they jump on DASA knocks. They get a talented pass catcher needs a little bit of refinement because we don't know exactly what he is. Because he didn't get a lot of chances. Ole miss because there's a lot of mouths to feed their and that offense of system but early on tied into you got to a really good chance of being tied in one vertical threat and a really nasty blocker. This is a charger player. They're taking Dawson knocks at old miss in the third round interesting. I like Knox lot. It feels a little early for him. I think he's more of a fourth round pick. But I could see it. I think he's a guy who could certainly play up to that third round level. And I think you're right. I think he's a guy who could stay on the field for a long time. And he's that tight end to they've been missing that can contribute on special teams too. So I think he makes a lot of sense for them. And that's Bod. And that does kind of feel like a pick that the two Lesko might make. And it seems like always third round they reach oh just a little bit there. But you know, after that, it was a lease max and Isaac wanna and I'm not sure they would have taken a shot. There was just you know, a player that you gotta grab he's by far the best tight end at that spot worth noting. No linebackers for the first three rounds. No linebackers. Nope. Not yet. We'll get there, Jamie. We'll get there. And I think you know, who I think they're gonna pick. Because I think you think the same guy let's go around around four and at four let's talk about some of the. Guys that are there. We've got miles boykin the wide receiver. We've got Rodney Anderson the running back, we got max Scharping out note. He went to pick before. Oh, it's still going. Okay. Well, now's the okay. That was the guy was definitely gonna consider their Scharping's gone. Okay. Then at linebacker just because you mentioned it David long as they're on Connie's their corners, KENDALL, Sheffield Hampshire vers. That's a first round name if overheard one and he's up there with rocky Cinna this class, probably the top two names. Okay. So I know who they're taking here in the fourth round. And it is a guy that the charges were at the pro day. They've been linked to this, man. It is the office of tackled Chuma Adoga at a USC. I think they take some tackle insurance in this draft there, he took reisner, but. You know, his stock rose at the senior bowl. He asked him experience both left and right tackle move spring. Nice for guy his size ready run blocker his pass balking needs some real real help. So I think the charges. Take a swing here on developmental project has some good movement. He's got ideal size. He's really gonna need some work. So this is a guy they're grooming for the future. They double dip in tackles. Because boy do they need off. It's of line help and they needed a double dip, and they do here and they take when early they took one of the first round the fourth. You got don't reisner Chuma Adoga. I gotta learn how to say his name because they'll draft him really linked to this guy that at the pro day seen his name bunch. Yeah. I think they were there for Dogo and the guy you're probably gonna take the fifth or sixth round here in a little bit. Taking you take him here. When he started talking about the US pro day, but you did a little end around on me. Yeah. It makes sense. Not a great tackle class. But they have been linked to him. And he's a guy who could at least give them some insurance if not develop into a right tackle. So make some sense on paper. Yeah. And we don't want to bury the lead and say who's going to become an up here soon. And I think that might be in the next two rounds, but adobe, and then that other player USC feels like you're Jenin Awo. Sue everybody kept talking about China Wilson, the second round we're going how they never leak anything. We never hear anything about picks in the future. And they kept linking Channa. The chargers kept linking Chennai. And then of course, it took them around. Exactly where everybody said. So there are some leak in that building. But let's go ahead and move onto round five. Let's talk about some of the guys that are there. All right. So the chargers got tight end. They don't need any more tackles. They've got to ready. They already went interior defense of linemen. But are on walks is still available as Ahah bugs is still available safety. It was definitely a need. This look at corner ham Cheever's is still there. Donna Lewis junior Jimmy Moreland. So I think they're going to go safety here. A looks like the linebacker were kind of hinting at still down there in the board. So I don't think they quite reach quite yet. So they're going to take a safety and the oh, yeah. Okay. I like this. All right. So the pick that they make around five safety another safety at a Miami, just like racial Jenkins a guy that kind of reminded me of him Chauvet, red wine. They rate it. They waited 'til around five to take their safety. They need a free safety in the worst way one of their top three needs. But again, let's go doesn't really value safeties. He wasteful fifth round. I think you know, they feel safe because a racial Jenkins. And maybe Jaylen Watkins, so they waited a little bit about themselves from insurance. So they take Sheldrick red wine in the fifth round another safety at a Miami played corner played safety, Scott, some real tackling issues. He could run and cover if I'm not mistaken. He ran in the four fours thing at a four four forty time at the combine this feels like a lot of the safety guys that Gus Bradley likes could serve as potential free free safety option also serve as a box safety and some cornerback. Definitely got some versatility. I say they take Sheldrick red wine here in round five. And let's go ahead and stop this run. Because I can't wait any longer. I've gotta take my guy. And let's just talk about who's available quarterbacks Ryan finley's their east and stick is they're running back isn't really an issue. So I'm not even look at running back wide receiver Gary Jennings, junior hunter Renfro talk about interior defense lime in Isaiah bug. So arm on watts gone corner. Jimmy Morlin is still there. But we're going to stop this slide right now, and we're gonna take the linebacker came. Marin Smith at a U S C. You know, Jamie knows it. This is a player cut from let's goes clock. He's a former captain at USC worked for the charters coaches even dot com wrote this big draft profile on him. He was a mainstay on the USC defense for four years produced every year was steady good instincts. Pretty good football IQ. But a limited athlete serve as that backup. Mike behind Denzel Perryman, and I feel really good about the team making this pick. I don't really like Cam very much, but I liked. Let's go making this pick. They're going to pick him. Yeah. His agai you were going to look for in the two. Let's go charter draft yet. And I wouldn't be surprised to take him earlier. You took him in the sixth. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I could see him. He feels like. What's the kid's name from Ohio State that washed out? Oh, Josh Perry. Feels like Joshua Perry pick where they take like two to three rounds too early just because they have to have him. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him go as early as the fourth round. And it wouldn't surprise me. If they see him as more than a backup. I think he's played some in the middle. He's played some on the edge. Keep dropped a lot of weight for his senior year this year. So that you could run around and be a little bit more athletic. He does make some plays. I they're definitely gonna take them. No doubt in my mind. And I doubt that I doubt they can control themselves contain themselves until the six round the take them. I think it's in the fourth or fifth round personally. But it's definitely gonna happen. Yeah. And you know, much like that Joshua Perry pick they got joy both in the for later got Joshua Perry. Now, they got a dope in the fourth. I think it was if I went back, and then grabbed another USC player camera Smith, so grab another teammate they're happy and they're in the locker room together. So we're going to wrap up this draft. I've got round seven all queued up here quarterback. Yeah. You're looking at eastern stick as your next best quarterback wide receiver run froze gone. So you got Anthony Ratliff Williams left tight ends thirty taking care of office tackles taken care of I'm gonna pass on guard here. Nick Linders available. I'm not taking them. No schrief Miller. Johnson Ledbetter, man. We mentioned earlier is there. Oh, okay. The guy that I'm gonna take here is actually. A corner. And it's the corner from Alabama Savion Smith another guy that I've kinda thought the chargers might take a chance on this is like last year they picked up Tony Brown from Alabama. They got Chris Davis. A few years back. They like their big school corners. They were all there were both undrafted free agents. But the kinda like to take shots at corners in big programs. So this is the guy that they pick much like picking up Tony Brown. Chris davis. Take a stab at a big program corner in Savion Smith, the five star recruit went to LSU had to go the Juku route got picked up by Alabama. He's got really good size offer. Some upside of the press corner, anticipation wasn't very good technical refinement wasn't very good. That's also a working progress, but a developmental corner in that group that could use some depth. So they take a chance on Sadie on Smith and that wraps up my draft. So let's go ahead and list off. We got here in round one. It is the offense tackle dlt reisner out of Kansas state in round two. They picked the defensive tackle dream on Jones at of Ohio State in round three. They just recent grabbed a tight end Dawson knocks at ole miss. They wanted their tied into with some upside at round four they grab their US to tackle Chuma Adoga. I still remember how to say his name since they're picking him in round five. They got the safety of Miami Sheldrick red wine in six they got the linebacker Cam Smith at USC round seven. They took a shot on the Alabama corner. Savion Smith that wraps up my Lesko draft, Jamie. It is your turn everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor deter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. 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By the way, Daniel Jones is on the board at eighteen and Caleb. Gary's on the board. Should be. They both should be Jamie does. No, I'm no, I think in this in this particular case, this is a lot like the situation that you're in Garrett risers on the board. The the top two linebackers gone MAC Wilson is sitting there and they do seem to like their linebackers with big school big college big game experience. But I don't think they take a linebacker this early. There really isn't another position in my opinion. You've got this'll piss him fans off, but Jerry Tillery there and Jeffrey Simmons is there. I don't think they take either one of those guys even though they're very enticing. And either one of those guys would be eligible to come off the board and either one of our what we would do drafts. But this is not what we would do. This is what Tom Lesko would do. So like you. I'm going to go with Dalton reisner the offense tackle slash interior linemen from Kansas state. I just feel like there's too big of a drop off after him. And by the time, we get around to sixty you're looking at taking Caleb mcgarry juice guys like that. And I'm just not interested. So I'm gonna go ahead and get reisner and we'll see who's on. On the board when we're when we get on the clock at sixty here. Yeah. I mean that he just seems like the guy just more leaning towards rice. You're by the day, the more you do these mock drafts, the more you see that most of the office of tackles are gone top four at least with Ford Williams, Dillard and Taylor there always gone interior defensive linemen is skinny at that point so rice or just seems like the pic. So obviously, we agree there. He took reisner in one. Yep. I just think it makes too much sense. So we've addressed the FM tackle position charter still have pressing needs at safety linebacker defensive tackle. You could also argue that needed tight end than along the interior line. Still too early for a quarterback if they're looking that way guys that are on the board right now in the second round. We've got a Charlie Charles Amena who dream aunt Joan's, Renault, Ren. So MAC Wilson's off the board. There really isn't in my opinion linebacker worthy of being taken the second round here. So I'm not even thinking about at this point safety. You've got Darnall savage one Thornhill Deontay Thompson Amani Hooker all sitting there on in the second round in this particular case, I think we're looking at a defensive tackle. And I think it's somebody different from who Garrett took. They've been linked to this person quite a bit. They were at his pro day, reportedly they stay close to him evaluated carefully met with him afterwards. I think they take defensive tackle Renault Ren out of Arizona state. And I think they do that because they see him as a long term replacement for Brandon me bane. He he's primarily a one technique. I think he can play three technique if they ask him to he certainly Atlantic enough. He's a guy who moves bodies clogs lanes. But also makes plays on the interior. All you gotta do is watches Michigan state game from this year where he basically dominated the second and third quarters of that game. And you see what he's capable of. It's not a consistent thing for him. But I think they take him thinking they can make him consistent with some development. So I think so far we've got Dalton reisner and Rennell Ren in the first two rounds. How you feel about that? Well, let's seems early for me for Ren. I understand the player that's a round maybe. To we'll probably around early for him getting him in the second round is a stretch for me. I get the player I understand it. Because he's a guy would target and round three and four. But man, picking Brennan the second is a little rich. Yeah. I think it's a little early. I'd prefer him in the third or fourth round two. I'm not sure he'll be there in the third or fourth round. It seems like he's kind of moving upwards a little bit. So I feel like he's a guy that they just look at and they think they just need him. They need to grab them now before he comes off the board. So now, we're looking at positions. I think you gotta look at safety linebacker tight end possibly back offense tackle again. So guys that are on the board right now. If you're looking at offense tackle max Scharping is air Chuma Dogo there. Bobby Evans, if you're looking at tight end. Nobody were taking this early as their Cali wearing who I didn't even watch. Josh all over not that familiar with Eliza Mack. I did watch. I think it's a little early for him. You could maybe make an argument for cadence Smith, but still a little early Isaac now to still little early foster moros still little early. So I'm passing on tight end here. Even though I think they need it. I think Tom to probably thinks he can wait and get somebody a little bit later. I think this feels like a spot where they were probably looking for a linebacker. It's a desperate need. They've talked about it being a a an area of focus for them. And it hasn't really changed all that much aside from the addition of Thomas Davis Thomas Davis. So I think this is a spot where they'd take somebody that they think can maybe grow into the long-term two to three down Mike linebacker role in this guy. Just feels like he just feels like he makes sense for them because he's smart. He's a thumper. It just feels like a chargers picked to me. So the chargers take Jo Giles Harris in the third round to play middle linebacker. See I thought you were gonna say Cam Smith there. But then when you said, he's smart, he's thumper. I was like, oh, wait a minute. Who's that? No too early. So how you feeling about the first three rounds so far? Well, I don't love Jo Giles Harris there. Ronel Wren was a reach and reisner is just fine. So I'm not loving, the straps. So far, I'm understanding it. I think John Harris is a Mike at the next level can win at the line of scrimmage like his instincts can help out in the run game. He's pretty good zone. But you know, I think he lacks some speed. And I guess is about where a graded him out of low third round great on him. If I remember correctly, you know, a guy that we're lower on than most. But I guess where you slot them here. Because a lot of people were mocking them in the second round seems like a charger guy. I mean, he was really productive at Duke. So yeah, he makes sense for sure for two Lesko. All right. So we are on the board here in the fourth round still with needs at tight end offense attack. Michael interior offensive line safety. You could even make an argument for another interior defensive linemen. So looking at guys who were on the board here Chuma Adoga as off the board. We still got is Ahah prince on the board. Bobby Evans, Tyler Romer. Nobody really to exciting offense tackle at this point. Tight ends cadence. Smith is now to foster Moro, all they're all solid possibilities here in the fourth round all providing receiving options and guys who can block. On the interior defensive tackles, Dante vs. Russell terry. Beck ner. Chris Layton arm on watts feel like it's still a little bit too early for all these guys if the charges do double-dip safety, Mike bell, Mike Edwards, marville tell not a whole lot of real exciting options here in the fourth round. I feel like this is a good spot for a tight end. I think the chargers probably agree. So I think the chargers go with cadence Smith the tight end out of Stanford in the fourth round makes sense. That's definitely a guy I'm targeting around their little raw the blocking could use some work. But obviously a tied in early on has some tied in one upside for sure a really good traffic true vertical threat. I like Hayden Smith. He makes sense there that might be one of my favorite picks in terms of value. And. Verse talent there. So I'm actually good with that pick. All right. So let's take a look at see who's still hanging around here. Because right now, you've got don't rise her in the first Renault ran the defense tackle in to Joe Giles hair, salon background Duke at three and then you grabbed cadence Smith at a Stanford the tight end at four. So let's see here we have just kind of looking around here. We've got DeMarcus lodge the wide receiver at Mississippi stolen, the board. Nothing too exciting ofensive tackle at this point. Michael dog, bud defensive tackle really a lot of guys. It's too early for a lot of these guys more than likely the chargers probably feel like they've got their guy defensive tackle. And they're going to move on. We're in the fifth round here. There's not a whole lot left that's surefire contributors. So I think the chargers are going to go with the linebacker. We talked about I think they'd double dip it linebacker. I think this is where they get Cameron Smith. Wow. Wow. They're going to double dip. They haven't double dipped on offense attack or defense tackle, which are going to need to do in the draft. They doubled it on linebacker. I think so I think they get two guys. They're really high on guys that they think can be playmakers and really help the middle of the defense. I gotta tell you. I don't like it. I know your time to let's go, but yeah, I'm not trying to make you happy here. No, you're just being Tom to let's go, and you know, with Kaiser white re-signing, Denzel Perryman re-signing injury Phillips is gonna take over that linebacker safety role signing Thomas Davis having to tapes Brownsville around getting a linebacker. Sure. Joe Childs Harrison, the third make sense governed Cam Smith because you got a man crush on them not so much in the fifth. I'm not a fan of that one. And there's been some reaches and stuff, but in terms of value position. I don't understand it to be honest with you. That's just another extra by. I think you're just kind of looking at it from the standpoint of or the chargers are looking at it from the standpoint of. You're probably going to be looking towards moving on from both Denzel paramount and Thomas Davis after this year. So you're kind of naked in the middle of the field unless you're thinking you're going to move KYW's your white over to the Mike linebacker Phillips of one year deal tapes Brown one he'll Brown's almost up. So there's a lot of transition going on. So they need to kind of solidify the middle of the field. And I just feel like I think both Jo Giles Harris in Cam Smith. Make a lot of sense chargers picks. I just think those guys are going to really like they might like it. But I don't but who's asking much like I said, I'm not trying to make you happy. So let's see here. We're looking hopefully at a safety at some point. We're looking maybe for a developmental offensive tackle, maybe a wide receiver chargers. Definitely need help it wide receiver. Ooh, there's a guy that I think makes a lot of sense for them guy that I like, I know a guy that you like, and I think he makes sense for the chargers in terms of the mole that they look for and wide receivers were here in the sixth round. I think they take Anthony Johnson out of buffalo definitely targeting canes. Smith in the fourth. I'm definitely targeting Anthony Johnson and six I love those players in that position. So two very good picks, especially where they're at. I love both those and the rest, you hate rice ner is what it is. I'm fine with it ran I I like the player. So you got them maybe around early fine. I like them Joe Giles Harris, I'm not as high on. But when you get them in the third it's about where you should get them. Cadence myth is great in four. Anthony Johnson's great and six Cam Smith and the fifth still I'm not happy about. So this is a teen is still needs some safety help. They may not think they need safety help. So they may not be prioritizing too early. But there's some guys here that might be good fits for them on the board at safety. Not a whole lot exciting here. I think they go with saquon Thompson out of Rutgers. So that is the end of my picks and a Thom Tillis goes picks, I should say, and we wind up with thought reisner Renault Ren Jo Giles Harrison third round cadence myth in the fourth Cameron Smith in the fifth. Anthony Johnson in the sixth and saquon Hampton at of Rutgers the safety in the seventh. All right. Well, clear that board started all over. Let's have some fun. You do your draft. I will do mine. So while the resetting hit us up on Twitter guys, let us know which Lesko draft you like better. And then tell us what you think is more of a two Lesko draft, my drafter Jamie's draft, which one would you be the most happy with my draft mytalk oh draft or my Jamie draft. And then. Then after we're done with everything just tell us you like better because I'm curious. Let's see how this goes. All right. So I'm on the board at twenty eight. Oh, I like this. I like this a lot. Okay. So available players at the moment, we have Daniel Jones Christian Wilkins who Garrett bradberry hockey Butler Chauncey Gardner Johnson's there Nazir Adler is there reisner is there. Jerry Tillery is there. Let's just say that if Christian Wilkins is on the board at twenty eight the chargers better sprint to that phone and make that hit. So I know I am taking Christian Wilkins at twenty eight. And I'm just going to end my draft now because I win. Yeah. It's the perfect start. And it's the perfect fit. It is exactly what to let's go would do if he's there, and this is Jamie draft and people are always like, well if he's on the board they should run that card up to the podium. They don't do that. They're not in the room. They have a Representative there. But it's not like to Lesko sitting in the back, and then he walks up to del. That's not how that works. Get on the phone you call them. And then you you put the Pickin nobody's running anywhere. Damn at just just go ahead and ruin my my image. They're them sprinting to the podium. Oh, no. I mean, you know, run to the phone. Call right away as soon as he sees vailable. But you know, you can't sprint the car to Goodell. All right. So we have Christian Wilkins at twenty eight in the first round. We are now on the board at sixty the charters are on the board at sixty just going through some positions of need. We have Titus Howard and yada nica juiced of on the board here in the second round ca juiced, certainly make some sense at the. And the second round. I had a late. Second raid on him tight ends. Jay stern burgers there. My guy. Dax Raymond Dawson knocks interior defensive line dream on Jones is still on the board. No, Ren Kaelin Saunders. But they just went interior defensive lines. I don't think that's where they're looking. There is nothing but crap on the board at linebacker. So they're going to pass it linebacker, Sean bunting, Trayvon Molin, David long. Isaiah johnson. Joe one Williams all on the board corner at safety Deontay Thomson. Amani Hooker to Kwan Johnson marquees player. Yeah. I think I know what I'm gonna do here. So with the Thompson on the board. I had a mid second round grade on him. Some people have great as high as the first round he has some development to do. I think there are some, you know, instinctual issues with him most of which can probably probably be corrected with more playing time. And and some film some film study. But he just seems like the perfect athl-. Compliment to Derwin James safety. And it's a huge position of need for the chargers. This is where this is where I'm going with my second round pick at sixty. I take Alabama safety Deontay Thompson. And I'm just going to end my mock draft now. I don't even need to make the next five picks. I'm done. You did that after pick one. What if the next one's good too? You don't know that? Yeah. No thompsons. I love the target here in the second. I think there's since you've already done the first two rounds. I think there are. I think second round is your safety target. There's going to be guys like John Thompson, Darnall savage want Thornhill. There's gonna be a lot of good safeties there and though Cianci Gardner Johnson. Is you know, both of our safety ones to drop off between them. And then the next cluster of guys is in the big cliff like the rest of the guys like the offense of tackles or the defensive lineman. There are a bigger cliff especially on the offense tackles, which I don't mean to scare you here because you haven't gone one yet. But you know, once you pass on ca just in the second round here going to be in trouble here. So good luck in round three on offense tackles, and but the Thompson perfect pick. I love the complimented of him and Derwin. He's definitely guy I'm targeting around too. So I might be drafting a lot like part of telescopes draft and a part of yours so looking through positions of need here. Still not a lot of linebackers at I'm in a rush to take looking at -fensive tackle, I still have Titus Howard in Yod nica just on the board. You're kidding. At the bottom of three autumn of three you cheated. I admittedly only saw part of one game of Titus Howard. But I feel like there's a steel here in unique just in the at the bottom of three. So I'm taking Yanni just so I have addressed defensive tackle safety offense of tackle in the first three rounds. All with guys who were projected to be picked in the first two rounds. Yeah. Love for him to be groomed behind, you know, maybe eventual Russell Kun replacement will fight for that starter role at right tackle, you know, twenty eight is rich round to is about where I had him at a low second grade eighty one if I'm not mistaken sloughs about where I was comfortable taking him. When he folded the third. You've definitely gotta steal potential left tackle play, right? Tackle. I think you know. This is a great pick here too. So now, I'm kind of on the hunt for a couple of positions. I would be looking possibly a double dip it offense of tackle possibly to double dip defense tackle. And I'd also be looking at linebacker tight end. So just kind of looking at how things are shaping up looking at linebacker. I've got David long tailed on Coney Germain Pratt. All there. These are all guys that I had graded in the third or fourth round range. So they all make sense here. I've got a LIZA Mack. It's the fourth round. It's a little early for him. Cadence myth is there is now to foster Moro all guys that I like corner Corey Valentine, Mark Fields KENDALL Sheffield defensive tackle. Dale and MAC Kingsley. Kiki Dante vs. Russell chris. Layton arm on watts. Not really ready to double dip there yet to dove is still on the board here the offense attack Lada USC, so I'm kinda tempted here to go on linebacker offense. Tackle tight end. I really feel like I should go offense of tackle. But it's just not fun enough. I'm gonna go with Kate and Smith in the fourth round. I just really like him. Oh me too. I hope we don't have three mock drafts with Kate and Smith in the fourth round because I love them. They're just makes too much too much sense in the fourth round. Yeah. All right. I'm on the board in the fourth round possibly looking double dip it offense or at defensive tackle still need of a linebacker still possibly need a double dipping it offensive tackle. So those are the three positions. I'm really looking for the most value at but see here so linebacker Gary Johnson, Texas chase Hanson at a Utah Cameron Smith's on the board. And I'm not interested in Cameron Smith. So. So I'm going to pass on camera Smith but a pass on linebacker for now. So that kinda narrows it down for me. Let's take a look at tackle still kinda early frost tackles, you're in the fifth round. I know, but don't see anybody that I feel like I have to get. So there is a guy here that I really like he was one of my sleepers. He feels a position of need it might be a little bit early. But I feel like he's a guy who's going to outplay his draft position. So I'm taking arm on watts in the fifth round Hobo. Yeah. Man. So while you're there, I mean in round four Cain Smith is a guy. I'm looking at round five arm on walks is guy. I'm looking at round six Anthony Johnson's the guy I'm looking at. So you've you've hit them all those are good spots for all those guys like those rounds. So let's see what you do here in six then. All right. I'm on the board and the six let's take a look at wide receiver. There is Anthony Johnson offensive tackle. Nobody that I really recognize feel like I have to get linebacker. I'm torn I'm torn here between Anthony Johnson and just say to two. Fayezah at of a university of Texas San Antonio linebacker. Both guys I think offer a lot of value here. Both guys at positions of need. Both guys. I think kind of fit players they're kind of players that I think the charters would be looking for in these spots. I think I can wait onto a fair. So I'm going to go ahead and take Anthony Johnson here in the sixth. He was one of my wide receiver sleepers love the speed love the size. The hands are great. He's a guy who's just tough to cover. He's kind of a bully wide receiver, which I love I think he's a guy who really fits in well with the existing receiving core in hopefully, taking him expedites the exit of one Travis Benjamin. So that's taking cool. Maybe we should have done this together. Then. Maybe we can do that next year. Our last pick here Christian Wilkins, Deontay Thompson Yanni adjust cadence myth arm on watts. Anthony Johnson in round seven and just si- it to fair of university, Texas, San Antonio, the linebacker guy who just runs all over the field makes plays all over the place. All right. So that does it for his seven all go ahead and burn through mine. Real quick. I know we're running along here. So I'm gonna make it quick. 'cause we've kind of all talked about this stuff already. All right. So hope dude. We might have a competition for best picket number twenty eight didn't all over fall. No, Daniel Jones came Butler zero early Jerry Tila resolve there, but you know, who's still there. It's not Christian Wilkins its office of tackle, Cody Ford at Oklahoma nice size athleticism, power NFL, ready. Right tackle. I mean, I saw enough from him. I'm we talked about the tackle podcast, but I saw enough from him this loan year that he's just scratching the surface versatility play guard. He'll be very good as guard. This is the best player available. My office of tackle three behind Taylor and John Williams. Perfect pick perfect fit. Who would you rather take Christian Wilkins or Cody for Jamie? I mean, he can't lose with either there as I choose I would take bookings because I haven't graded higher on my board. And I think you too, but. Actually, wait. Now. I don't know. I don't know Wilkins's my last now, I've got four grade one point higher. But I'd still take Wilkins. I think really I think so I think so I think it'd be close it'd be a tough call. But I just think that they've been without a quality defensive tackle for so long that I just think it has to happen in focus is on the board. There's just no other option. Okay. But I do like that pick. They're both days very happy with that pick. I would like Cody Ford over Christian Wilkens. That's just me though. So then around to not quite looking to white receivers to tackle. I already got. So I'm not looking there either interior defensive line Charles Amena who Andrew mon- Jones or their Ronel, Ren Kaelin Saunders. All there. Of course. I wanna go safety here. Say I talked about earlier safety is dang, man. Okay. So how it was going to go want Thornhill here. But he's gone. The guys that are available Taylor rap in money. Hooker and deonte Thompson. I think Hooker and wrap are more strong safeties and free safeties. And I don't want to run into that problem again. And as much as I hate to do it you and I are going to have the same second round pick. But this is my draft. This is what I would do here. I would pick the Thompson we talked about. What a great pairing us would be. Yeah, I've seen people wanting to take Taylor rap in the first round for the charters. And I I don't get it. I think he's a good football player. But I just think he's too. He's too redundant. In terms of his skill set. He's a kind of a poor man's Derwin. James more of a nickel linebacker strong safety type not really fast enough athletic enough to play that deep safety role. I know I've seen some people say you just take the best player and stick him out there. But I just I don't think he suited to that. Particularly on the charter system where he's the only guy back there. Yeah. No. I think he's got the lack of top end system that you just don't want on the back end. And he's not very good silent sideline. You want him as closely as possible and. And when they played him a free safety is when he did not look good. And I think that's part of the why part of the reason why he's not a first round player to me when they played him at a free safety. He just dropped down to my grade. So I'm not taking Taylor rap because you know, you've got a much better player near the line of scrimmage, and then you've got guys like Adrian Phillips were roaming around. And you've got another hybrid KYW's. Your winds playing linebacker used to be a safety plan that spur position at West Virginia. I don't I don't think you need to take Taylor raptor. And I don't think it's a very good fit. Good player. Not a guy. I'm taking the first round. But in the second round he'd make sense there for another team. Just not with the chargers. So moving onto the third round. It's talk about some guys that I'm looking at here wide receiver. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. All right. We'll go back to receiver in just a second tight end. Josh Oliver cadence Smith, I'm gonna wait their interior defensive line, tristen hill, Kaelin Saunders, Gerald Willis. Let's go back to receiver for one minute. Okay. This is this is my draft. Right. I can do throw curve ball. I think I'm gonna throw curveball here. I'm gonna take don't hang it. All right. I'm not gonna hang you here. Here's what's going to happen. I didn't think you'd be here. But I'm gonna entertaining. JJ are Sehgal Whiteside in the third round. Oh, I like that big numbers at Stanford is I think he needs to improve his route running but such a good red zone weapon. Big tall body can get seperation downfield creates yards after the catch. I think as a wide receiver three with some wide receiver to if not best-case low and wide receiver one capability, I think having Mike Williams JJ are Sigel Whiteside and Keenan Allen in the red zone. You're almost unstoppable. How do you? Stop a guy like our Whiteside. Mike Williams, you got hunter Henry Melville, Gordon. Awesome. Neck Laura out of the backfield. That's got Q now running underneath that's a nasty duo. I want no part of that. So you got your new wide receiver three here. J T R. Whiteside who fell to the end of the third round Travis who? Uncut by. And I think one thing we didn't mention about our Sega Whiteside that I think people overlook because there's a wide receiver is his one of the smartest and best blocking wide receivers. If not the best in the entire draft every time you see. Bryce love breaking a big run usually are white size downfield making the block for him. So very valuable as a blocker. Just a little added value there. All right. So let's talk about the next round. And I'm definitely going to have to look at interior defense of linemen. But tackles Ryan Bates to know green. I say your prince's there. I'm not looking at either of them Cameron Smith is there. I'm not really looking at here. I've already got my safety and interior defensive lineman. Well, this is kind of a decision I have to make so Kaelin Saunders is there. And so is my sleeper tristen hill to take my sleeper or Kaelin Kaelin Saunders is graded higher. So I'm gonna go with my board. I'm gonna take Kaelin Saunders. Big man with a math lettuce ISM. Good bend for the position uses Bruce shrink to win in the run game athleticism to win on passing downs. He's that big man you saw doing backflips you've seen it all over Twitter can play anywhere from zero to three tech, which I love definitely compete with Justin jobs for that. Three tech spot. Starting right away. Could eventually take over for Brandon me Bain at zero tech charges. Finally, get a good pass rusher threat from the inside. Caitlyn Saunders in the fourth. I usually I'm targeting the third. So for him to follow the fourth. I'm very happy about that. It's kind of like you're just in the third Saunders is mine in the fourth. So got my interior defensive linemen in Kaelin Saunders. I've already got a wide receiver. So I guess we're going to scrap the whole Anthony Johnson bit, which is good. And then we're going into the fifth round. No linebacker yet. Right. No linebacker yet. No tight end. You know, tight end. No linebacker. I kinda wanna punt linebacker. This draft. I really do. It's just isn't a good linebacker cloudy. Really isn't. Oh, good. God, man. Well, I got lucky again and Kane Smithfield. Emmy, so you know, this is your draft and not to let go draft. Right. I wanna Kate Smith. Oh, I thought you said Cameron Smith. Oh, no, no kidding. Smith tight end at a Saint. I I heard Cameron Smith. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Shade Smith there. We've already talked about him could be tied at one down the road a fan of his I like him getting allow round later too. So let's see where we fall here because I want to go offense of tackle again and probably interior defensive line. And I'm in round six good spot for them guy. You took a round earlier. I'm gonna take him here in the sixth arm on watts. I mean, this is the thing. I love about getting Ceylan Saunders. Arm on watts that they are versatile enough. They can play zero three that you can mix. A match with those guys and that's to versatile pieces on that defensive front, which I love love watch quick for step athletic for big thick frame disciplined rusher. Love that. He's pretty smart. Lander scrimmage to gets his hands on a lot of footballs. Good band. Another guy who's got some password traps in the interior. So you got Kaelin Saunders who can rush the quarterback. You've got armone watch can rush the quarterback. I'm a big fan of what I've done on the interior defensive line. And we're going into the last pick of the draft. And I'm either going linebacker off. It's tackle I've kind of I kind of went narrow on what what position group I was going to go and I haven't listed who's available. But I kinda wanted to burn through this group because we've kind of talked about a lot of them. Okay. So linebacker to Sean Davis TJ Edwards. I. I'm not gonna take him here. Just for the second doing something different. I'm going to punt linebacker in this draft. I am just going to say I've got another year with Phillips because you're white tapes Brown Thomas. Davis Denzel Perryman, maybe even to Davis Perriman who knows but for two thousand nineteen I'm leaving the linebacker core alone. Maybe I can grab a diamond in the rough. I'm going to focus on it in the undrafted free agents. And for my last pick to be honest with you, the only guy, I know and the only guy that I've actually watched when I was watching off its tackles and that was Tyree Saint Louis the tackle out of Miami. A big body. He's pretty agile pretty athletic, but has such issues. Perfect frame guy. You're probably going to have to break down and start over again. But you really need to double dip. He played left tackle played, right? Tackle I love the size. I love the athletes ISM. But. There are some real issues in pass pro pretty good as run blocker. So need refined the technique when you get them into camp. But at least a potential swing tackle here for two thousand nineteen hope you can develop them into something because you've got a great moldable body. So that does it for my mock draft. Let's go over it. Again. I've got Cody Ford in the first round Deontay Thompson in the second. JJ are a Whiteside in the third Kaelin Saunders in the fourth Cain Smith in the fifth. Armone watts in the sixth and Tyree Saint Louis tackle in the seventh round. That does. I guys let us know who you like better who's Thom Tillis, go better who's personal drafters better? That's it for us. We're done drafts. Coming up. We'll talk to you when the draft happens and we'll review these guys I am accuracy on Twitter. Jamie underscore around. We will see next time. Thanks, buddy. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #197: Lets let it rip

Bolts from the Blue

27:57 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #197: Lets let it rip

"Any Ninja Warrior fan want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for the special word for today is incompetents the Webster's dictionary defines incompetence as the again just a reminder the beer fund is now the excessive pissed drunk hard liquor fund so thank you Anthony Lynn Gus Bradley Gelber hopefully enough for two six packs appreciate that Sam I will drink at all right now by myself and the second donation came today I want to interrupt you won't interrupt me we're just GonNa do it so we'll let Jamie Star then I'll go and that'll be it so jamie what is on your mind boys and Girls Beer Fund and is now the excessive pissed drunk hard liquor fund thanks to play of our charters recently yes thank you steven the next donation comes from Samuel inability to do something successfully we would also define incompetence as the state or fact of from Dane Grip Oh which is a new name so thank you dain and Dane Says Holy Fuck you guys need some beer money after that game wow he drinks just as much as I do after that game cheers appreciated Anthony I think we all do collectively as charger fans need more drinks and lastly Hey ben Jacobson just read your guys game tweets here's a dollar for everyone please don't quit while good thing Jamie tweeted like fifty seven times so we talking big fat donkey Dick at the one thing you get paid hundreds of thousands or in this case millions of dollars to do a good example of this Jimmy now have something different plan today he's at lightning underscore around I am at Garrett Sixty and riper terms of a recap but we agree Sunday night was atrocious that loss and prime time was just too much relief so we're not going to go and break down appreciate that and I tweeted like twice so it all added up didn't it so thank you appreciate it Ben Stephen Campaign and Anthony Thank you for your contributions anyways big fan been listening for a few years now keep up the good work thanks Dane thank you for the Nice words thank you for for the donation and so there's no need for discussion we're just GonNa let rip whatever the topic is I picked one he's going to pick one I don't know what he's going to pick he doesn't know what I'm going to pick we're just going to let it go walk my seven or four year old daughters incompetent now that we're on the subject of incompetence let's talk a little bit about the chargers offensive Aristo donations so thank you Steven we appreciate it thank you for the support thank you for listening to the show and thanking you for contributing to what used to be before we get into it not shout out the people who commiserate with us the donors so the first donation came from a familiar name Steven Pizano with very a sample sentence for incompetence if you wanted to use it in a sentence the Los Angeles chargers offensive line is incompetent because they probably couldn't again that was tough so here's what we do today Jamie and I are going to just pick a topic to rant about I'll give him ten fifteen minutes to just vent about something then I'll go can wasn't hunt and the Los Angeles chargers for helping to change the name of what we used to be a beer fund we've got two more here Anthony Weber says love the podcast you guys game plan going into a game against the Pittsburgh steelers against a third string quarterback instead of trying to open up the game a little bit maybe talk about I even brought up breaking down the steelers and I was Mbarga negatively someone just simply wrote fuck you which kind of sums up what people want sorry we didn't get to any of your questions we're GonNa go in a different direction today we struggle to come up with some for this week show I even asked you guys on twitter I was like hey what do you guys want to do what He Melvin Gordon or Austin Equa on first down in fact they had eleven I down runs in the first half Hansen dig routes and other and crossing routes and things of that nature the chargers decided to start five of six drives running the ball up the middle with first and second down runs excuse me in the first half and in the first drive of the second half of that game a game which by the way they trailed fourteen trolling the middle of the field with their star tight end and they're six foot five first-round wide receiver Mike Williams and Keenan Allen who owns the middle of the field on slam this lightning round podcast with your host Garrett's asleep and Jamie voile charges go thing almost immediately and trailed twenty nothing at halftime that is a really good example of incompetent they didn't want to get the ball on rivers hands and when they did consistent basis they waited until they were down twenty four to three to open the offense up the chargers also had running backs to get the ball out quickly and make those defensive Lineman stop and think about screenplays and having having to defend the running backs out of the backfield did he it was seven step drops looking to push the ball deep down the field instead of getting the ball quickly and oh I don't know maybe calling a handful of screenplays basically no attempts to get the ball in space he only had eight touches in that entire game and a game they trailed and it wasn't until they started throwing the ball to him a little bit Oh has stone hands is terrified of contact and basically is incapable of making plays and the featured him in the red zone we also we're not prepped for a gap blitzes you would think that a coaching staff going into this game knowing that they were without their star center Mike Pouncey might be any who has very little experience at center but no they weren't prepared for that they didn't expect that they didn't see that coming and the first turnover of the game of course ready for Blitzburgh to bring a gap blitzes up the middle to try to confuse and intimidate the middle of the chargers line which right now is being captained by Dan fee it came in the face of a gap blitz which the chargers did not diagnose did not block and Philip rivers running for his life made a bad minimum targets and minimal opportunities and it sounds like he is pissed and looking for some explanation just like the rest of us are once again incompetent let's talk a little bit about the defense showy that defense was not the least bit prepared for the screen game with James Connor not even time himself Thomas Davis what was the result lots and lots of missed tackles lots and lots of big chunk plays in the passing game a few big runs the ball and small chunks underneath with safe controlled rose and try to let connor make plays in space but the charter competent we also had no or at least very few pressure packages versus third string quarterback there no blitzes there were no attempts to bring pressure incompetent then you get to the players they leaned on early in the game and it wasn't until the middle of the game that we started seeing some of these guys rotate out of the game and that is Thomas and lots and lots of pain and embarrassment and humiliation for the for the second and third levels of that defense they just were not at all prepared for James Connor and that is swing pass behind Melvin Gordon winds up being scooped on a foam as a fumble and run in for a touchdown for the first score of the game so ladies and Gentlemen Ken Davis Rodrick Teamer and Denzel Perryman taking bad angles getting picked overrunning plays lunging arm tackling missing tackles little bit you'd think coming into that game realizing the steelers were playing with their third string quarterback they're not gonna WanNa take a whole lot of chances down the field they're going to be looking in hunt is officially incompetent and we didn't even talk about not getting the ball to Cunanan key moments of the game he what basically wasn't involved for the tire first half and only had six targets for the entire game that was their leading receiver and leading receiver in the NFL going into last week now he's had two weeks in a row just generally being bad and getting beaten space there were very little adjustments although we did start to see more of Kaiser White and drew tranquil in the middle of that defense trying the same thing over and over again with basically no results again no adjustments no attempts to great pressure no attempts to confuse people long who was pretty successful as a kicker early in the year and has since been moved back to just punting and holding for the team they go with chase mcglaughlin out any twists and he stunts met very many games upfront there was really no effort to create havoc and confuse people it was just one on one coming from the same spot it's pretty clear those guys are all liabilities and we just didn't really see any creativity upfront there weren't a whole lot of stunts there were a whole lot of twists they basically relied who of course yanks to kick misses from forty three yards so they try to turn three score game into three score game missed the kick lead on their defensive Lineman to beat the steelers offensive line which is among the best in the League in one on one situations and double team situations in the middle of the field that they started moving the ball in the second half the chargers also insisted on throwing the ball to Travis Benjamin the one guy who in came with thirty seven seconds remaining in the second quarter at which point the charges were down twenty one nothing they're getting clobbered on their home field in the first half on prime time at home so that's it for the defense let's talk a little bit about the head coach Anthony Lynn who had to really really bad gay management decisions in that game the first one the middle to force him into bad decisions there was very little pressure in general they basically sat back and dared him to beat them and surprise surprise he did a nickel and dime packages which was encouraging but still way too much Davis way way too much of team rouge should not be on the field at this point of his career and we eighty two much of Denzel Perryman so that's something that needs to get fixed that is another sign of incompetence they continue to go with those same solutions and expect different results not ready for that no they tried to defend connor with Denzel paramount an entertainment Brown and Roger Teamer and father it leaves them still behind three scores and having wasted a successful drive great decision Anthony Thank you so much for that decision thank you so much for playing it safe there just kept doing the same thing over and over again that's definition of definition of insanity and in my opinion the definition of competence sales down twenty one and a half having wasted what should have been a very successful drive because they didn't trust themselves to take a shot down the field you know they're twenty five yards out even it even if Anthony Lynn doesn't believe in his offensive line which quite frankly I wouldn't blame him because as we said earlier they are competent you do at the very least one in my opinion just looks like trying to save face well we've got three we're back in this game we got a chance to come back no show some balls show some heart show some belief they settle for a field goal they turn a four score game into three score game at which point they still need three touchdowns and basically the game was over even with a slight comeback at the end of the game at that point you know they're they're running out of time they've got fourteen minutes to score three touchdowns and there's very little chance they're coming back them to think that you believe in them and give them an opportunity to go out there and make a block and make a play I would think you'd feel a hell of a lot better with the ball and Philip rivers hands in that key moment that I think they're desperate they need points they need to climb back in the game they need to give themselves a chance maybe they'd ask rivers to try to make a play down the field and afford eighty three yard field goal with what basically amounts to their third kicker of the season obviously Michael Badgley hasn't kicked this year but he either number one kicker then you've got punter up off the street and you certainly have a better chance of climbing into the game if you're picking up a first down or trying to pick up the touchdown there instead of just settling for the field goal which minute and a half left in three timeouts and instead of kicking it deep they decide to kick a low percentage onside kick and and they've had their another successful drive really their second of the game and it's a four thousand fourteen from the twenty and you we are all very glad that you decided to play it safe and go for the points points that really didn't mean anything at that point as a field goal and said of trying to put seven on the board and get the team back really get the team back in the game then we have a similar situation with the team driving early in the fourth quarter so at this point they're down twenty four nothing so they're down four scores from the Pittsburgh twenty five yard line on really their first successful drive of the second half that didn't involve a punt return over what do they do they kick a field goal and again just incompetent in my opinion you know I've been defending Anthony Lynn I think there are still some good elements some of the things that he does but I feel like we're right back they WANNA go for a touchdown at that point try to throw the ball over the top maybe go for jump all the Mike Williams you probably got a better chance of converting something there than you do with your third kicker a guy he just chance of having that happen doesn't matter how good rivers is were keen is or Mike Williams is to go ninety eight yards or ninety plus yards anyway with no timeouts they're not getting involved enough they're not getting keenan involved enough which is the hardest one to believe you know the screen game which is a huge could chance maybe gamble a little bit and get the team back in the game and he instead pulled the Mike McCoy put the visor back on and kicked a couple of field goals when they really needed six and you would coming off of shame mclachlan's foot but no they settled for the kick and they missed it and a kick that wouldn't have changed the game anyway because they still would have down been down three scores part of their offense and really keeps them going with chunk plays underneath has been non-existent particularly this week it's like they don't know how to and it's just very low chance very very low chance so he put them in a bad spot he basically created bad field position for them even with the good and they basically decided the game's over at that point so two situations there for sure where I felt like Lynn had a chance to show some confidence in his group had a chance to take a shot where they have to go I believe it was ninety eight yards in under a minute with no timeouts which as we all know very very slim and kind of spoke to his lack of confidence in the team and really Kinda just felt like he just wanted to get it over with and get out of there so lots of bad decisions maybe again a jump ball the hunter Henry in the middle of the field throw a jump ball the Mike Williams try to make something happen and create a spark nope bad culture that the chargers had with Mike McCoy feel like we're right back to the poor game management there the game plans are awful sometimes you wonder what they practiced all week going into the Games it's just time so that's my rant that's how I feel about the team at this point lots of incompetence time to make some changes time to make some bold split coordinator duties just to kind of balance things out a little bit and I mean really who are we fooling Ken whisenhunt he's the offensive coordinator technically his long overdue for a promotion of coordinator so I would hire him and give him a chance I'd even be okay with having him and Gift Smith the defensive line coach so real failures that are in my in my opinion and then the big one at the end of the game after going down and getting to within seven points at twenty four seventeen they've got about them and I would fire Gus Bradley I would promote Ron Miles to be the defensive coordinator I feel like he's one of the best defensive back coaches in the League doc the system and then I think couple player decisions that need to be made which they won't make but they need to I would make examples out of Travis Benjamin and Thomas Davis rivers is the one making all the calls anyway so maybe rivers didn't have to come to the line and change wasn't hunt call every play maybe they might snap the ball a little sooner it's my that's my take on the chargers at this point check out the American Ninja Warrior podcast for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors offensive stopped there and rivers throws up a pair that winds up being picked off so I felt like Anthony Lynn looked like he was a little shell shocked for a lot of that game didn't make some changes a couple of personnel changes and a couple of coaching changes they're obviously not going to fire Mike McCoy in the middle of the season but what I would do at this point is I would fire Ken whisenhunt and they give the ball back to the steelers on a short field course steelers don't do anything with it but they are able to pin the chargers deep after punting and the chargers find themselves in broadcasts or in your favorite podcast APP so it made this comment on twitter and I wanted to expand on it and I've got some time so I'm just going to do it oh lots of incompetence offense lots of incompetence on defense I feel like if this team wants to make a change and they wanna spark something I feel like it's listen to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the is involved and now we see them they're trying to split touch other spy trying to split snaps evenly with Melvin Gordon it seems like they're just trying to trade it doesn't matter who the offense coordinator is at this point because rivers is calling the plays anyways and let's get mile us in there's a defensive coordinator see if we can spark something see if we can get some changes and maybe they might get into a little bit of a brother Rhythm early in games and score more points early in game so let's stop the charade let's get let's get whiz out of there I really I tried to shake things up and hold players accountable and let people know that they can't just ride on on what they did last year guys have to start making plays and they have to start stepping up now so that ages with Ecuadoran Melvin Gordon it's not working there's no creativity they're not putting either guy in six in a position to succeed and the offensive struggling it's really bogged the offense downs tens of thousands of pet rocks every day even appeared on the tonight show twice he marketed the hell out of these pet rocks by Christmas got a good laugh out of it and it was actually a pretty good idea he spent the next two weeks writing up the pet rock training manual it was a step by step guide about taking care of it doll jokingly Brad that he had a pet and require no attention no care of any kind because it was a rock it went over well with his friends he in a box the kind of look like a cardboard crate or like a pet carrying case and he put the book inside of it the pet rock was introduced at a gift show where the the pet rock was a novelty gift was created by advertising executive Gary Doll doll was out with his friends one night it was the mid seventies that conversation it seemed like he had a good grasp on situations didn't seem like he was managing the game particularly well and really made three in game game management decisions that really hurt the team that year two and a half tons of rocks had been sold three fourths of all the newspapers in America had run pet rock stories a million rocks. I'm just GONNA be a symposium on Travis Benjamin because Travis Benjamin is the human equivalent of a pet rock welcome to my tedtalk Jamin went up against future NFL DB Janoris Jenkins was able to even catch a touchdown pass in the muck bowl in two thousand eight now store Neiman Marcus at the time order five hundred of them after news release showing Gary Sorrento boxes of his pet rocks Newsweek did a story within a few months he also competed on the outdoor track team getting all ACC honors and placing fourth in the ACC championships in the sixty meters Benjamin had his I rank wide receiver by ESPN and the one hundred and forty fourth overall in the class of two thousand eight during the Muck Bowl and that same year two thousand eight being the B with early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple how to train your pet rock. He went to a builder supply store we found a rosary to beach done it sold for a penny he packed stone you think cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers flee ninth nineteen eighty nine he attended glades Central High School in Belgrade Florida played on the football team he was the twenty only was Benjamin a star wide receiver in high school he was part of the track team he competed about one hundred meters and a long jump back he was eventually selected hundred overall in the fourth round by the Cleveland Browns in the two thousand twelve NFL draft he was the Fifteenth Wide Travis Benjamin and the pet rock have made millions and like its original purchase they have both depreciated old for three ninety five a piece in just a few months it made Gary Doll an instant millionaire Travis Jamal Benjamin was born on December twenty in that ultimately turned to pets they were talking about dogs and birds and cats and specifically the hassles a having feed for them and care for them and how messy they are and how time consuming the are in in sixteen charter fans were introduced Travis Benjamin Wide Receiver who caught sixteen passes for nine hundred sixty six yards and five touchdowns and was a dynamic returner the year previous with the Browns chargers signed him to four years twenty four million dollar deal in free agency he's tended to the University of Miami and Played Four Seasons for the hurricanes between two thousand eight and two thousand eleven Benjamin was also part of the Miami's indoor track team home in a game they have to win both to get back on track and to have any hope of staying in the hunt of a wild card race in the in the AFC and with a fourth and six lever selected in two thousand twelve Travis Benjamin Played Four Seasons in Cleveland from the years two thousand twelve to two thousand fifteen in two thousand. You were excited to see what was inside to unwrap this gift. But ultimately they were both colossal failures the kick return for touchdown and a punt return touchdown that year he of course attended the scouting combine in Indianapolis where he's projected to be a third or fourth round pick parts to five hundred sixty seven receiving yards to one hundred eighty six receiving yards and twelve games last year and thirty total receipts are you in two thousand fifteen travis Benjamin was an almost thousand yard receiver but with the chargers has gone from six hundred seventy seven receiving yards in yards in two thousand nineteen in five games catching only six perceptions on sixteen targets when you first got both Graf of item one in your pet rock owner's manual it reads your new pet rock is very sensitive pet and maybe slightly traumatized from all the handling and shipping required Iraq was a marked up beach down full millions into buying a worthless item and same goes for Travis Benjamin he was a marked up wide receiver who fooled millions of shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what is already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about it hands and a dumb enough front office to buy a worthless item coincidentally the Rosarito Beach Stone which was the pet rock is made the same materials Travis Benjamin disposed of there are too many parallels Travis Benjamin is the human equivalent of a pet rock gary doll convinced as of Americans to purchase an item they did not need and it was something that almost everyone had free in their backyard and Travis Benjamin his everyone aw it also tells you the pet rock is good long distance attacks but all it really amounts to you throw in it really far nobody catching it on the other end like anytime river inbreeding kit allowed buyers to grow their own desert wasteland dolls fads have run their course and he was left with thousands of kits the had to be disposed of best year in college in two thousand ten where he caught forty three passes for seven hundred forty three yards as a junior at Miami he caught three touchdown passes had Jamin is the human equivalent of a pet rock thank you next time spiracy theory Garrett gives his opinion on hands we saw those stone hands pop up Sunday night on a third nine pass attempt the ricky shade off those granite filled gloves brought a fourth down for the chargers in the first the D. pass the Benjamin no one's on the other end to catch it

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Rest of The West #4: Raiders Week!

Bolts from the Blue

37:58 min | 3 years ago

Rest of The West #4: Raiders Week!

"Everybody in wealth to another episode of the west. I am one of your, does Matthew Stanley at fan, Denver on Twitter and join me once again is Michael Peterson, Michael Houser weekend. We can was actually a ton of fun. I ended up working a little more than I wanted to, but just watch the game to have good time, joy myself. It was good Matthew. How was yours? Miners get to. Obviously, now that I'm in Denver had to pick one Denver sports team to follow. So I chose the Rockies and the Rockies have been killing it this week. They won the wildcard game in Chicago, and then they lost night's game in the first game of LDS. But you know, I'm excited to have them in the playoffs. I've got tickets to their game or games here in Denver, and I'm looking forward to that. But we are here to talk about football. So we will start with the Broncos and chiefs game is played each other this week, and Michael Wenjie go leaves off on that one. So this game was actually to me, it ended up being a much better game to watch than probably a lot of people expected. The Broncos haven't been that good this year. I know case keenum hasn't been the quarterback that they, they hoped he'd be and the chiefs have been amazing. But the Broncos actually did a really good job sticking with the chiefs, their offense look good. They took advantage of a lot of the chiefs weaknesses on defense and really kept it close game really until the very end. But Mahomes man, he just kept doing a lot of people kept saying, you know, he hasn't played anybody. Wait until he plays a good defense on hostile environment. Prime time, people just kept making those excuses for him. You know, like don't jump on the Mahomes bandwagon right away like he still has to do some things from to get. You know, the final bit of respect and he finally did those things. I mean, he didn't throw. You know, a ton of touchdowns only had one touchdown pass in this game did rush for a touchdown. So if anything that just shows you? Yes, he is a good quarterback that you know if he's unable to get done with his arm than he can still make it, you know, inflicts pain on with his legs and hurt you some other way. So Mahomes looked amazing. There was a left handed pass in there at one point to convert. I think it was a third or fourth down kind of clutch clutch play. I mean. Rolling to his left. He's right handed and then flip the ball to his left hand, and then shot put it to tyreek hill who was about a yard short of the first down. But it was just perfect enough. Tyreek was able to catch it. Scamper the one yard over get the first down, get abounds. And it was real quick, but Manny was just as perfect. And at the end of the game case, keenum overshot Damaris Thomas for a touchdown that could've I think, I think would have ended up tying or winning it, but he missed it. Ended up not completing any other passes went onto lose, and it was actually really, really, really interesting game one that you're just begging the Broncos to give the chiefs their first loss. And you know, no matter who won it was still going to affect, you know, are standing. We were still going to fall behind by a game or something like that, but. Overall great, great game Sanley again, you being in Denver woes kinda like where you were watching this game. So I watch this game at home with my wife my way for those of you who don't know, my wife is a Broncos fan, so I was watching the game with her and it was a really good game. I mean, it was. It was like you said it was super close the hallway through. They were still tied thirteen thirteen in the third quarter, and then the Broncos are pull away and going into the fourth quarter actually like with like eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter. The Broncos were still up twenty three to thirteen eight at ten point lead. And like you said, I mean, Patrick Mahomes. We've set it on the show a couple times, but he just looks so calm out there so collected. He looks like he's got more experience than this being his fifth start in the NFL. And yeah, he just play that you were talking about where he threw with his left hand. He was rolling out and not only was he able to keep his eyes down field, find tyreek hill at the sticks. Shove the ball to his left hand in shop, put it over, but he was being actively tackled while he did this. He wasn't just, you know, running and couldn't couldn't set his feet. He was being tackled to the ground when he did it, and it was just it was really a really something to behold and yeah, like you said, right right there. At the end of the game case keenum had emerged Thomas. He had him wide open, various, ran a great route and. Did you see the the replay win. Thomas came off the ball. He actually when he was working around the corner back to the outside, he wasn't running full speed. For some reason, if you watch it, he kind of took the of pedal, took his foot off the pedal for a second. And then you can see the ocean moments where he realized she was getting the ball, and then he sped up and it was just outside, but I washed us over and over and over again. So input a clip of it on Twitter in. Yeah, like he didn't run it full speed. It was a good route. Don't get me wrong. But as he came around when he turned his head towards the ball, he wasn't going full speed. You see the moment where he, you know, pedal to the metal tries to catch up to it in that was killer. I mean, who's fall really it is, I don't know, but it was both parties. Yeah, it just it wasn't really a clean second half by the Broncos. I would say that the first half was really, I mean, they they basically what I, what I. Other teams are going to take away from this game is a pretty good defensive game plan on how to stifle this chiefs offense a little bit because going into this game, the chiefs offense was averaging like thirty nine point, two points per game. And usually the final score, they only score twenty seven in this game and Mahomes only threw one touchdown. So they had a really effective game plan. They pressured him a lot. They sent a lot of guys awaat against him, kinda got him stifled a little bit. He he only completed twenty eight of his forty five asses. So it was statistically his worst start of the year so far, but still no interceptions for Patrick Holmes. He looks after the ball, Travis, Kelsey bailed him out a lot. He was, you know, he was their leading receiver seventy yards on seven receptions. And yeah, I mean the the chiefs, they just continue to show that while they have some weaknesses on defense, you can't contain them for the entire game. Patrick Mahomes. Is a really good quarterback already and playing beyond his years and both of these teams. I mean, the charters Broncos are both now at two and two, but both of these teams are very good, and this is going to be a tight race in the AFC west this year, a lot tighter than I expected just looking on paper going into the season. No, yeah, you're right. Going back in hopefully teams can this films which of the chargers along time until they face Kansas City. Again, I believe it's the last game of the regular season at least one of the last games this year, but one of the things that pops out to me as well on the statute sheet is that tyreek hill caught nine passes, but it was only for fifty four yards. So he averaged six yards a catch. His longest catch was for fifteen, and he actually led the lead the team and targets thirteen. We caught most of those. But again, this is a guy who pretty much you could flip a coin about whether or not he's going to take a pass or something to the house. He's that explosive, and you already did the chargers. We've seen what he's done to the Steelers several teams so far this season, but nine for fifty four. I mean, that's if you're going to hang your hat on anything as defense, stopping Patrick Mahomes throwing touchdowns. Yeah, that's one of them, but tyreek hill who's known for taking the ball to the house all the time. Nine fifty four. I think that's huge. And I think that's something that a. Teams need to go wash film on, honestly, it seems like they did something right? Definitely. Yeah. The forcing him on those four seem to run shorter routes. Like I said, they, they pressured Patrick Mahomes a lot. So he had to get the ball out quickly. I mean, this chiefs offense of line isn't a great offensive line. This is an offensive line that you can generate a pass rush against. If you have enough guys can rush the passer, the charges had a hard time with it because they kind of have Melvin Ingram who's who's regressed a little bit this year, not having Joey Bosa across from him. I'm not saying the Melvin Ingram has been bad this year. He just obviously he's not putting up the sack numbers that he put up when when Joey was across the field from him, and then with Joey, not there. I mean the most effective passer, the chargers have had this year is there when James at safety and he's been really good, but you can't Blitzer when James single play. So when when the chargers are playing the chiefs later on in the year, hopefully Joey Bosa will be back and the chargers will be able to kind of follow this game plan like. We said and just pressure the hell out of Patrick Mahomes and let your corners and you know, take care of things on the back end very much. Right. So we've been talking mostly about the chiefs up to this point. We haven't talked of his Broncos a little bit and we haven't played the Broncos yet. This year chargers have yet. I don't know. Do you know which week of the top of your head? We face the Broncos with. I wanna say it's like week, eleven? Isn't that. I'm pulling up right now because I know they play the by week eight, and then they played the raiders coming back off the bye November eighteenth, the charters, it's at home against the Broncos. So plenty time. Okay. Time to worry about the Broncos just pulling up some of the game stats right now. Let's see. So case keenum I feel like a broken record every time we talk about the Broncos in case keenum and say, he ain't it almost every week and one more week has passed and he still ain't it twenty one of thirty three, two hundred and forty five yards. One interception no passing touchdowns. He is killing the Broncos offense. And again, this is an offense that towards the entire NFL with their pass catchers, and they have a handful, those pass catcher still in Emmanuel Sanders and Mary Thomas. They have Cortlandt Sutton. They have to really good rookies at running back with Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, and they're not getting almost any production out of their quarterback position. And I mean, it's almost scary to think that case keenum can somehow find has formed from last year when he's with the the Vikings. A lot of people wanna say, Pat Shurmur being OC with the Vikings was a big part of. Giving case, keenum confidence and putting minute system where he's able to flourish. It's easy from understand, etc, etc. In its looking more more more like that's the case that keenum was just a system quarterback, almost the definition of it. If you look at the teams, he's been with up to this point before he was with Vikings and now three passing touchdowns on the year. That's it. It's but luckily the got Lindsay and Freeman. So I mean, what do you think case kimes it? But if you if you really think about if he can just start throwing one or two touchdowns a game getting to some sort of a level of consistency. That's the Broncos could have a pretty good offense. What do you think? I think you're right. I think that case keenum performance is basically the only thing holding Broncos teams back. They've got really good, two headed monster in the backfield. I mean a Philip Lenzi Royce Freeman combined for one hundred thirty eight yards. Rushing and two touchdowns this week on only twenty carries and they've got, they've still got a great defense even with with Wade, Philip. Leaving and losing a keep to leave. Their defense is still is still clicking and there they showed their defense. I mean, they're the only defense that's been able to hold this chiefs offense under almost almost under forty points this year, and they held him under thirty points. So. I think you're right. I mean, case keenum he needs to. He hasn't been as advertised so far and they've got to figure something out for him. I don't know if if it's like a timing thing that they, they need to work out some some better place for him to get into a groove and start building offense up. Their offense of line isn't great, but it hasn't been bad like it's not like he's running for his life all the time. I mean, the. The chiefs have decent pass rushers with the Ford in just in Houston, and it looks like they got off four sacks. And I remember specifically two of those were coverage sack. So I mean, case keenum just I don't know what's going on, but he they need to find a way to get him into a groove if they want to be in this race for the AFC west, though. You're definitely right. It's frustrating. It's got to be frustrating for Broncos fans. I don't know how your wife feels watching. I know I've got a couple of buddies that our Broncos fans, it's probably super, super frustrating, especially it seemed like there was a lot of height and a lot of excitement and hope with the case keenum signing like, you know, they muffed it with Paxton Lynch. Chad, Kelly hasn't been, you know, the work in progress like they thought he was going to be. They just haven't been able to figure it out. Trevor siemian even Trevor simian started two hundred seventeen much better than case keenum is and everyone thought Trevor simian was just the poorest up quarterback starting quarterback that boss we have, but he was actually killing it this time last year. So. So gotta be frustrating for Broncos fans. Let's just hope again that they don't. They don't turn that switch until after the chargers play them. Because with the way the the secondary we were just talking about, and I think in our group chat recently, someone put up a tweet about how bad the the charter secondary was doing. So that's a whole another story. Let's just hope they don't turn that switch and start being an issue that way. Let's go onto the raiders versus the Browns game. We'll talk about the raiders kinda tie this together because the chargers do play the raiders this week. The raiders are one and three. They got their first one of the season, a forty, five forty, two overtime victory over the Cleveland Browns, and they barely won this one. It we're being honest. I think Baker Mayfield had three turnovers in the second half. I think it was two interceptions in a fumble or one interception in two foam bowls. I know he struggling to to take care of the ball, but they barely squeak this one out. Out. So I believe you watched a little more of this game than I did. So let's hear your thoughts start this out yet this they were gifted this win. Basically it took Baker Mayfield, you know, playing like a rookie quarterback in the second half of the game for them to win this game in. And it was actually, we complained a couple times this year about bad officiating. And this was probably one of the worst officiated games in the league. This season, there was bad calls on both sides. There was one that benefited the raiders near the end of the game. That was just it was really bad. I think it if I remember right it was. There was a pretty obvious fumble by the raiders, but the refs had to quickly called forward progress and it negated the turnover and that would have avoided overtime. So, yeah. The raiders are still not a good team. It. Beating Brown team is nothing to write home about, and they were basically gifted this win. So we dig in a little bit more into the stats. The raiders defense gave up a ton of yards on the ground. Nick. Chubb had three carries for one hundred and five yards and two touchdowns basically almost every single time he does the ball. It was touchdown for like a millionaires and then Carlos Hyde who had the lion's share that carries had twenty carries for eighty two yards and a touchdown. So I mean, the the, the Browns were able to put up over two hundred yards of rushing on the ground in less than thirty carries so. It wasn't a good day for the for the Browns. I mean for the raiders on defense now they did put up a ton of yards on offense. This Browns defense is actually pretty good, and so it's a little concerning seeing how well the raiders were able to move the ball. Dare car had fifty eight pass temps for thirty five completions, and that netted him four hundred thirty seven yards and four touchdowns. Now he did two interceptions again and you know that that's definitely something to keep in mind is Derek, Carr is he's playing pretty radically this year. He is it making the best decisions at times. And so you know, he's basically he's come way back down to earth. I know there was a lot of hype about Derek Carr over the past couple of seasons, and he's playing. He's you know if it wasn't for case keenum. Stinking dare card the worst quarterback in this division, but he is a very close. Third again, we had marshawn Lynch running. The ball, like a madman. He had twenty carries for one hundred thirty yards. He didn't get in the end zone, but one of the things that we'll talk about this a little more when we get into the previous action. But I think the key to beating this raiders team when the chart when the raiders have the ball is do everything. You can to stop marshawn Lynch and forced air car to try and beat you because I don't think he can so obviously with him throwing for half a million yards. Mark Hooper had a great game. He had eight catches on twelve targets for twenty years touchdown. Once again, Jared cook their their tight end had one hundred ten yards. I think this is his third hundred yard receiving game since the season out of the four. So he's just tearing it up. He's destroying defense is right now any added two touchdowns on that as well. And this is really the first game where Martavis Bryant got got in the mix for them. He had seven targets. So he was definitely in the game plan, but only down three catches and still it. Fifty one yards. So this offense moved the ball really. Well. I'm especially compared to the first couple of weeks and this is not. I mean, it is the Browns, but this is not a, you know, this is not a bad defensive. They've assembled a really good young fast, talented defense, I agree. So it's tough to take or figure out what the silver linings from this game are the raiders his his numbers are inflated their cars numbers most because his defense has been letting them down, said Chiba for a while. So he threw it fifty eight times. That's obviously not a normal thing that's not anywhere near as average so stuff. He second in the league, I believe in passing yards. His got a good amount of cast stones as well, but you're right when you're saying he's playing Radic as yes, thrown his fair share of interceptions as well. And I think you're right in terms of the game plan in terms of the chargers gotta attack this team, it's stop Lynch and. And maybe last year earlier this season before started, I'd be. I'd be fairly worried knowing how Lynch has been playing because he's been playing fairly well us. I'm not gonna say he's the old amazing beast mobile that do can still run it between the tackles. He'll still run through your face over and over and over again. Like he's still that guy. He still plays with that mindset, but the chargers rushing defense has stepped up quite a bit. I don't have the stats off the top of my head, but I mean leaving. A limiting cream hunts. He finally had his breakout game, didn't have that great game against the chargers this past week. The charges facing the forty Niners and Matt Braida who at the time was a leading the NFL in rushing yards limited him too. Although we only had nine carries through thirty nine total yards still not nearly as efficient. He was averaging he was the only one averaging more yards per carry than Austin. I believe it was in the high aids eight point, seven, six, something like that. So again to hold Matt Braida to again thirty nine yards on nine carries. It's not too bad whatsoever. So, yeah, going in stop Lynch, and I think that's possible. I really, really think that's possible. We'll see what Cory Luda does in his return. People are kind of acting like all of a sudden, he's the second coming of Aaron Donald, like the, you know, the whole offensive line for. Oakland's kind of on the injury report right now. So there's some potential for something there and we'll see, we'll see. I think the the interior defensive lines kind of what's the word I'm looking for bonded like Emily, cohesive, but they've just got more and more cohesive the bonds there, an even plane very, very well. And then when it comes to Cooper and cook, again, the two guys, both caught a passes this past game for one twenty eight one for Cooper cook another one hundred yard game. It's gonna be tests like we just talked about. I mentioned earlier, the three defensive backs, Casey Hayward over Williams and Desmond king have not had a good outing thus far. And although there is no pass rush to really help them. It's still a little uneasy to see what we read earlier was all three of them are. Allowing a pass rating of triple digits, which is not good whatsoever. For you know, the quote, unquote electric fence that they were deemed to begin the season. It's just not good. Absolutely. What so ever with cook, we don't have Kaiser white. The charges are missing their rookie linebacker. Fourth round pick who was on been killing it since he has been starting this year besides German James, he was kind of the second rookie to really make a splash so far in these first four games. I guess I three because he didn't play this weekend. We'll be without him. So it's gonna be really interesting to see what these matchups are, how they're gonna, stop jerk. Cook is honestly beyond me right now as I think it comes down to to Getafe as Brown. I don't think Denzil Param is gonna be on him in China. I don't think so. It's going to be interesting. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Derwin on Jerry cook this week in just a couple. I was just calling the defensive players for the raiders who actually did something. Jonathan Hakin had two fumble recoveries, so it's not too shabby. And then MAURICE Hurst MAURICE Hurst might be already the best defensive player actually on the raiders. He had another sack another tackle for loss and a pass deflected from the tackle position. I think this one guy to look out for he was super disruptive in college. He's a guy I talk about a lot of people were fans of prior to the draft and look into how Dan Feeney's kinda had a rough start the season, Michael Scofield now playing the absolute best at his position either that's gonna be one match to wash specifically, come gametime yet. So speaking of, you know, you named a bunch of the starters for the raiders in IB remiss if we didn't mention the final injury ports are not yet. We'll give those guys on our Saturday show. But the raiders are extremely banged up right now. So let me run through their injury report thus far this week. So Amari Cooper, obviously their number one target in the receiving game. He has a foot injury. He was limited both Wednesday and Thursday. So we don't know if he's going to practice on Friday or not, or is that is for the game, but he's banged up. He's obviously not a hundred percent. Their starting center. Rodney Hudson has an ankle injury. He was limited Wednesday and Thursday. MAURICE Hurst. You just mentioned who you played sixty percent of their defensive snaps at detangle this week. He has a shoulder injury and was limited Wednesday and Thursday. Bruce Irvin who's really their only pass rusher now that they traded away mad Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin he hurt his knee apparently in yesterday's practice because he was added to today's injury report. Any was only limited today gave Jackson who's their starting guard as a pictorial injury. He was limited yesterday today. Karl Joseph. Didn't practice either day this week. Our Sean Lynch who I just said is one of the keys of the game to stopping. He didn't play when he didn't practice Wednesday at all, and was limited today Holton Miller, their rookie starting left tackle was limited yesterday today and Alexia simulate their other starting guard as a knee injury and didn't practice yesterday or today. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Eight of their starters have been either limited or not practicing this week, and that will be huge for the chargers. I mean, the charges are a little banged up to, like you mentioned, Qazir whites out, Joey Bosa obviously still out update on Travis Benjamin for those of you who don't know. He has a cast on his foot as practice this week in his apparently supposed to be two to three weeks. You know, whatever. Good news, Joe Barksdale and Russell Kun were both back limited today. I'm pretty sure Anthony. Lynn said he doesn't expect either of them to be available on Sunday, but it's a good sign that they're practicing. It'll be good to have them back. But yeah, I mean, the the raiders were only rolling into week five and they are already the walking wounded over there in Oakland, definitely rights and just above. One of the we mentioned on the charters injury report that was a Travis Benjamin being out for, I think you said it was two, three, four weeks like that yet to three weeks is everything that I saw. Okay. And that's an honestly a good thing to wanna wish injuries on people, but it was kind of a night and day difference between win Travis. Benjamin was utilized in the offense of game plan against the Niners and win. He wasn't available against the Rams the week before all of a sudden the Mike will you know, train of. Popping off for awesome. Touchdowns get targets all that stuff that really came to an end. The second that Trump's Benjamin came back to playing some sort of a role. So honestly, Travis Benjamin good receiver. He's done plenty for the chargers. He's been hurt quite a bit lately. But as of right now, I don't think the chargers need him. And I think if anything he is keeping a targets way from Mike Williams and kind of limiting this offense going forward because I think when he's on the field, the office code staffer, some reason feels the need to fit him in somehow and especially watching the chiefs, the Rams, all these people utilize their speed players with terms of motions and other things such as that, you know, to distract whatever get them looking the wrong way. They've been trying to do that with Benjamin on these orbit motions, jet motions these sweeps, and it just does not seem to be working. I don't know why it isn't because it looks like. It's trying to be the same thing, but it's just not getting done. And I think if anything, the presence of Benjamin is limiting the chargers offense. So hope it gets better. But I think this might spell good things for the chargers offense, at least in these two to three weeks that he is not in the plan agree with all that. And you know, we'll, we'll go more in depth on the show that we put out for Saturday for this matchup. But yeah, everything you said is true that you know it's probably gonna be addition by subtraction with Travis Benjamin out of this lineup, and you know, get the chargers getting Mike Wilmore involved. Continuing to let him flourish. Continuing to let that relationship with rivers develop and just, you know, putting the better players on the field in all honesty. So yeah, I think where we're at in the AFC west, I mean the cheeser out in front at four. No, the Broncos are in second place at two and two because they have that division win. They also division loss, but that you have one division win and the charter just behind them still tied at two, two, but the only have a division loss since this will be the second division games weekend, and then the raiders pulling up the rear at one and three with. One soon to be to division losses. So, yeah, I think the AFC west is shaping up after this first quarter is shaping up to be. Pretty competitive, and it's gonna be a good race going through the season between the chiefs Broncos and charters. Yeah, I fully agree. I'm excited for this week's matchup was kind of funny to see some of the things positive on social media, and I didn't know this was a rule that apparently they implemented into a nine, but they don't sell beer after halftime of the chargers. Raiders games, Juno that, Yep, no, no, no beer after halftime. And each time you go to the session stand, you can only purchase one, alcohol drink per person. You can't have to to bring back to your seats. So, and this is apparently apparently is not a new rule. Apparently they did this even back when they were Qualcomm. The fast couple years is because raiders fans of gotten so shitty and been so unruly that the charges are basically doing whatever they can to limit that. And the other crappy thing that I don't know if you saw this today, but the chargers and this is, you know, this is both sad and crappy, but the chargers had to hype in crowd noise. At practice this week to simulate a loud crowd in preparation for a quote, unquote home game at stubhub. So that's the state of things. I mean, we've all seen the pictures about how other fans other teams fans have been rolling in deep at stubhub and basically taken the place over there. They're expecting possibly their worst example of that this weekend with with the raiders because I mean, I, if we're honest, LA is still vastly a raiders town, and so it's not a stretch to have that many of them there and it's it could get way out of hand. You're speaking the truth. I, you know, remember what the crowd lie against the forty Niners and the whole thing was read. It was read as hell, and it's going to be black, very, very black, come this Sunday. So I don't think it's a bad idea. Just on a side note. I actually personally think it's, I feel more confidence, but it this way when the chargers go to away games when they play away games because I think there's something about playing in front of that normal size crowd. In general, not just even if it's a way that might be more comforting in more, I guess in a way normal instead of playing in his home field. I just like obviously there's no home field advantage either way, whether it's a big crowd or not. The crowd's been the opposite at charters, home games even when they were back the last two years in Qualcomm. So I almost think it's better for them just to play in a big crowd in general and plan stop of even if filled with their fans. But maybe that's just me. I might be weird about that, but you're right. It's going to be a lot of black Friday, Saturday, Sunday days. What. Yeah. So I think that about does it you have any other random if see, Wests thoughts before we get out of here? Man. I just have a feeling this game. We'll preview it on Saturday. I just feel like the game's gonna be closer than we like it to be the same way. I think I said about the niner's game, what charges come to play? It shouldn't be. The raiders. There's just no way there can be a loss handed to us by Jon Gruden, enter everything. He's done. Just start saying your prayers right now. So real quick. I just remembered something so we will get. We'll definitely get more into this in our next show, but give me your, let's say, one sentence instant reaction to the chargers dropping drew Kaser instead of ill of Sturgis this week. What? What is your just real quick initial thought synergy over strategy? I've, yeah, I think that nails it. I think that's the perfect way to put that. We know why we know exactly why they're doing it. They even said it that when they worked out Donnie Jones and chipanga that Donnie Jones quote unquote pop, or like stood out. And you know, I think there is to be said something there's something to be said using about that kind of relationship. The trust. I don't think it's it can be understated, but he still thirty eight years old. I didn't realize that punter kickers can be old as hell. But like I've been upon her and there are times where I feel like I pull something when I start kicking really hard again after, you know, not hunting for a while. So we'll see how he does. I hope you still got a leg on him. I know guys like Viteri people like them still rip it at their age, but we'll just see, hopefully this just fix it because you know as stupid as may sound right now, if all of a sudden is just. You know, gunning field goals down, he's just nailing kid after kid. It's gonna look like the greatest move. So I'm gonna be reserve right now in just say, let's just see what happens and the results will speak for themselves yet. I mean, like you said about the relationship it it is not to be understated. I mean the, it's kind of like how the team was able to just bring in Antonio gates on zero practice and throw him into a game because he in Philip been doing it for so long. Caleb Sturgis. And I mean, I mean he was he was gives her his holder in in Philadelphia, and obviously like the goal is the punt as little as possibles you're keeping him off the field. But he also even though he's that old e didn't spend the summer kicking as he was basically retired. So he he, he wasn't kicking over the summer. He was a, I think if you read the charters article about it, he was at Home Depot or something when he got the call from them like getting ready to do some like dad chores. So, yeah, he. Hopefully he's fresh as fresh as you can be thirty eight years old and come in, and you know, not suck at putting and improve this kicking because, like you said, if it works out, they look like geniuses. But if they've done this and Caleb Sturgis comes in and he's still shanking aunts. And I mean shaking Hicks and and missing extra points. They're gonna have a lot to answer for deciding to keep Caleb surges in cut a drew Kaser nitric as was doing crappy this year already and it. You know, he regrets from last year. He had that, you know that locked punt the end zone that was mostly his fault along with a special ordinaire. But yeah, it was on paper. This move makes sense. And I hope it works out that way. But yeah, that about does it for this evening. Thank you. Everybody for listening. Once again, my co-host has been Michael Peterson. You can find him on Twitter at zone tracks. My name is Matthew Stanley Vimy on Twitter, apple, and in Denver, and we actually just got our first employee and so- heading up the complaints department at Garrett sixty on Twitter. If there's any complaints, any negative feedback, just go ahead and throw it his way. He'll be more than happy.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #165: What the offense will look like without Melvin Gordon

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The Lightning Round Podcast #165: What the offense will look like without Melvin Gordon

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In fact, if you don't you're not a true fan you being outshined by a little kid. So if you're game he is our favorite fan to something about those phone calls from Liam when they happen. Just brings a smile to. I think all of our faces so good to hear. He's still listening. And thank you for the statement. We appreciate the update on Lemes whereabouts. Rob we were all worried. So we're we're glad we heard about. Here. Well, speaking of which our favorite our biggest our youngest fan left us voicemail, high bellflower. How long do you think Mellon gonna be out? And you think Newsom or Jackson is gonna get the ball more. Thanks, go. Chargers. Salim? I actually think we got a hint of what it might look like without Melvin Gordon. During the game against the cardinals on Sunday. And I think it might be something that we see this team play a little bit faster for change. This is a team that wants to dominate the clock. They want to run the ball. They want to control the pace of the game. I think sometimes controlling the pace of the game makes them think that they have to slow the game down and snap the ball with one or two seconds left on the clock. And I think with Melvin out they might move a little bit faster. We might see a little bit more short passes to Ecuador as an extension of the running game a little bit more. Justin Jackson between the tackles a little bit more burst a little bit more wiggle in the open field. And they might move a little bit faster still put together some those long drives. But try to turn up the pace a little bit. Like they did before the end of the first half on Sunday and play a little bit more quickly. So I think that's what we might what it might look like without Melvin. And it sounds like based on what coach Lynn is saying. They're expecting him to be back by the end of the season. If not a couple games before Lynn referred to Melvin as a quote fast healer said he expects him back sooner rather than later, and he expects them to play before the season is out. So it might not be as debilitating injury. As it seems. And it might actually teach the charges a little bit of a little something about their ability to play a little bit faster and be more efficient on offense. Anthea Lynn said Gordon's week to week wanna get him in before the end of the season, which is encouraging. And of course, he said it's highly doubtful. He goes this weekend. So probably can expect Gordon to play in Pittsburgh. And then you know, you asked who we thought who get more snafu Justin Jackson, Dietrich Newsom. And I think you know, we saw Justin Jackson had more once scored went out. So you'll probably see more Jackson will Newsom probably see what seven to ten carries on Sunday from Jackson Ecuadoran probably depends on the floor of the game. But but I will say I think we'll see more. Justin Jackson, you will Dietrich Newsom. Yeah. I think you'll see more Jackson the Newsome. I think you'll probably see Jackson. Get more carries in the offensive game plan and probably see clerk catch more passes a lot like what we saw on Sunday. So kind of balance it out that way. Yeah. And you're leading right into the next question from William Andrews, he says thoughts on the offense moving forward without Melvin Gordon. I thought Justin Jackson the great in that small sample size. True that and then yeah, you can add it you think a little bit more uptempo. Yeah. I think you're gonna play a little bit more of tempo. I think like I said before I think the ten the tendency is, well, let's get Melvin going. Let's grind it out. Let's pounded out. Let's slow things down and control the pace. But there's more than one pace of play. And there's more than one way to skin a cat in terms of controlling the clock. And I think if you're putting together eight ten twelve play drives, but you're snapping the ball with you know, between fifteen and twenty seconds on the play clock. You're still controlling the pace the tempo of the game. You're maybe making a little bit more difficult for defenses to substitute. You're wearing down good defensive fronts like the one the Steelers have and you're keeping them guessing by you know, spreading the ball around getting more people involved. So I think I think the chargers definitely learned that they can play up tempo. They don't have to be at the line of scrimmage audibles in and out of place constantly drawing that play clock down to one or two seconds on every snap. And you know, they get Philip into a rhythm. They get equa into a rhythm. They get Justin Jackson into a rhythm. Everybody's getting involved and pretty soon. It's like a snowball rolling downhill gaining momentum. And all of a sudden, you're it's it's an out of control freight train, and that's a whole lot of metaphors right there. But. And one of my least favorite there's more than one way to skin a cat, which we think about literally like what did that even? Where did that come from? Yeah. You mentioned something I was going to bring up to. I think you you might see Justin Jackson. Take more carries on the ground. I'm you kind of see him more as they're more power runner. Among the trio Bax, and you probably gonna see equity most of his damage to the air than he does on the ground. And I thought this Sunday because cardinals they actually utilize that cler and maximize his abilities which they didn't do in London. They got him on the edges. They got him in space in the passing game. I think that will help in Pittsburgh Justin Jackson on the ground average over eight yards per carry. He outrushed on Sunday. So with actor Justin Jackson, Dietrich Newsom. I think charge is going to be okay there, obviously going to miss Gordon. But still I think with equa Jackson Newsom, they'll do. All right. The Steelers were just torched by Philip Lindsay on the ground. He ran for over one hundred and had a touchdown. He's kind of a smaller speedy back more like off the necklace. So the charge could take advantage. We'll see but. You know, they just got gashed by speed back. So maybe we will say a little bit more actor on the ground. But but I do agree with you. I think Justin Jackson probably more carries on Sunday Ecuadorian more of his damage to the air. Yeah. I think you might see them do a little bit better job of passing to set up the run in this game kind of loosening things up with some of the short passes in space. Like we saw them throw in the second half to kind of started before halftime on that that two minute drill and only spilled over into the second half where they're they're getting the ball out quickly because they weren't protect rivers very well early in the game. And they were throwing two three five six yard passes equa and just letting him make somebody missing pick up extra yards. I think we'll see that as an extension of the run game to kind of get the Steelers to back off. Maybe see if you can get them to take one or two of their linebackers out of the game and play more nickel and dime. With more corners on the field. Really spread them out soften them up. And then hit them with the running the running game later in the game. Yeah. All right. Well, it's a big match of coming. Sunday. Let's talk about this game that we saw against the cardinals. Let's talk about our three story lives while I mean the first storyline obviously has to be rivers. Right. I mean, he's basically perfect and the game twenty to twenty nine three touchdowns starts the game with twenty five straight completions. And I mean that was by far the best game. He's played this year for sure probably the best game. He's played in several years. Just I mean, just locked in not taking any unnecessary chances. He threw some absolute dined in the tight windows. Put the balls were only his guys could get them. We talk about the throat a Sean Kokin on the sidelines before halftime that was a phenomenal throw. He had two great sideline. Throws to Keenan on the last dry before. Halftime. The the second touchdown pass to Mike Williams. Also was just a perfect throw right on the sideline where only Mike get to it. Absolutely positively on fire. He had everything working. And I mean, you watch that tape. Go back and watch the coaches film on that tape the guys open all over the field. He can throw it wherever he wanted. And he just consistently made the right decision. An accurate throw and guys guys in position to make a play. And usually make a play turn the ball field and pick up a few more yards while they're at it. So he was outstanding. Yeah. Of course, I was going to touch on that to historic day. You talked about it twenty eight twenty nine two hundred fifty nine yards three touchdowns. He became the fourth QB to throw multiple TD passes in each of his first eleven games tie. The all time record for consecutive completions. With twenty five he set the NFL record for the most consecutive completions to start a game with twenty three. He said a new record for completion percentage. Single game with a minimum of twenty pass attempts. He broke Kurt Warner's will record which he held since two thousand nine. He was perfect. The red zone is three for three at all his passes. The team was six for six in the red zone when he was a QB, of course, Gino got to the red zone. They stalled kicked a field goal. So not as a team and they weren't perfect as a team but still with with rivers back there. He was perfect in the red zone. Even just now Tom Brady said that he heard about what happened with rivers went back washes film and just marveled at his performance. Because like you mentioned it wasn't like just got finished watching the Monday night game. Where mariota was I think I eighteen passes he completed eighteen for eighteen and they were all dunks. I mean, the the accuracy of some of those throws a sideline catch by Mike Williams to sideline catches by Keenan Allen asylum. Catch by Travis Benjamin a perfect pass between two defenders Sean Kokin before the half. I mean, there were some beautiful tosses. And if you didn't get hit on that last one where it ended up being an incompletion aunts neck lower. He would have been perfect. So ball ended up getting a jar loose kind of went sideways on them, and it was an incompletion, but absolute historic day. And it was just a game. I don't think we'll ever see a quarterback play in our lifetime. I don't think because it just it hasn't happened. He said so many records. It was just amazing day for him. Yeah. It was really incredible to watch. I mean, just like I said virtually every throw except for the one in completion was just right on the money. You didn't really have any of those heart-stopping type throws where you're wondering. What what what he's seeing what he's thinking? Alad mitt I kind of froze a little bit on the Culkin throw just because he was throwing it into into tight window to Kokin. And that's not a throw you expect him to make. But he put it. We're only coke and could make it and coke and made a hell of grab. Just on fire was making throws on the run. He was sliding around on the pocket by himself time in the face of pressure. The first touchdown pass to Mike Williams. You know, there was some pressure from the right side. Just kind of slid to his left ever so slightly to buy some time to get rid of that throw. I mean, everything was on point. He seemed like he was getting them into the right plays all day long. And just throwing the ball with the purpose. Like there was no, no hesitancy. There was no doubting himself. It was just get the ball throw the ball. And he was on the money all day long. It was I mean like I said best game. He's definitely played this year. And by far best game. He's played maybe ever certain. Yeah. Terms of statistical records definitely and in terms of decision making accuracy in the whole deal. He just he was just in complete control. We both agree. Obviously. That's something. We had to touch on one other thing I'll touch onto. I mean, we've got three. But next thing I'll touch on is the defense, and I'm sure you wanna talk about this too. But you know, outside of when the the defense kinda got over their first quarter jitters or finally woke up or whatever you wanna call it. They put the clamps down on the cardinals offense the cards. I drive the. Seventy six yards on nine place. They scored that touchdown Larry FitzGerald, obviously to open the game next possession. They drove down the field. Thirty two yards. Settle for that field goal. That's ten nothing. Lead hundred eight yards of offense to two drives for the cardinals. And after that the next three quarters with Josh Rosen and that offense they wanna total of twenty six yards. The average eight and a half yards on offense a quarter cluding misfield goal for turnover a possession. And then the James interception. Even on the cards. First repossessions with a chance to score the defense had to false start penalties on the drive, obviously some self inflicted wounds on the cards second drive that was set up by good field position by that thirty three yard punt return from TJ Logan. Then the misfield goal was set up by a rivers fumble. It could have been a lot worse. There were some bad things that happen. The first three drives where they're even imposition to get point. So, you know, even still back to back drives, they they could have been much worse. To charter defense allowed the fewest yards since two thousand ten they only allowed one hundred forty nine yards of offense on Sunday. And man, we are starting to see a change in this defense with Joey Bosa back and almost one hundred percent. And I know this is the cardinals and they're not a good team. And that's fine. But passers look the chargers gave the Browns their only win two years ago. You know, it's not like they blow out bad teams. They did on Sunday. Yeah. They definitely did. And I really thought that the defensive line and the offensive line for the chargers deserved a lot of credit for basically just deciding enough was enough and taking over your strategy in that game. After that sack of rivers that that resulted in a fumble on the second possession. It just seemed like the offense of line took over the line of scrimmage. The offense came out. They threw that that double move to Travis. To start the third drive. And it was just like here we come. There's nothing you can do about it. Either get out of the way or get run over and they ran over on offense. And you mentioned it on defense that second drive that ended in the field goal. Derwyn gets pass break up in the end zone to to end that drive. The wo- sue recovers a wheel route to chase down the fullback and break up a pass in the end zone and from there. It was just like it was just all downhill from there. They just got it rolling, and they gain momentum. And they just kept building and building. And you talk about what that defense looks like now you've got Derwin in the back end in the second actually at all three levels. The defense making plays seven tackles pick pass break up five run stops. He was phenomenal. Joey owning the line of scrimmage five tackles two tackles for loss to third downs. Actually, get the defense off the field applying consistent pressure his pressure, which he'd get to Rosen. But it was his pressure that led to or at least contributed to durins interception in the second quarter. And he basically got under Smith fire with the way that he played on Sunday. 'cause the Smith got cut today the the cardinals cut, right? Tackle Andre Smith after that performance. They just said, you know, what we're done and they cut. And Joey had a lot to do with that. He was all over the place on Sunday. And you just look at what this defense looks like now with those two making plays. Now, you're starting to see flashes of TY McGill making plays up front. Potatoes. Brown has been really good for three or four weeks in a row. Now, he seems like he's really stepping into his role and starting to make plays. He had blew up a screen pass with great read in the second quarter. I think it was had another play on a little swing pass to David Johnson Johnson that forced I think it was the one that forced the field goal at the end of the second drive where he got them off the field on third down with just a great read a great break on a short pass. He's around the ball all day in the running game. I thought the defensive line looked fresh and better along the interior without without Corey Leauge it and Brandon me ban yesterday. They got off to a little bit of slow start. But they seem to get their confidence and get their legs under them. Everybody. Just played their asses off. I mean Rochelle had a good game. I thought file on played a great game. We got some good snaps out of McGill. Just I mean that defense just took the game over they just they just snuffed them out. They had they had Rosen rattled early in the game. And once they are up fourteen ten that game was over. There was no no fear blowing that game. It was a reach twenty one time. But it was over at fourteen ten just done. Yeah. Yeah. Great job by Philip rivers and this defense. So was that your second storyline. It was. Okay. We'll give. Then go ahead, and you give me your third. Well, I think my third is we saw some new wrinkles on offense and defense and I talked about one of them on offense. But some things that I think are going to really help this team down the stretch on both sides of the ball. One thing that I loved was. I'm just going to call it their speed package on offense. They ended it. They ended the first half with it use it throughout the second half. After Melvin Gordon got hurt. You saw Ecuador Keenan Travis Benjamin, Mike Williams, Tyra Williams and at times gates all on the field together. Spreading the field out. Everybody's running deep and Equis making plays underneath picking up chunk yards. They play quick they were officiant. They were in a rhythm the whole game. And they really did a good job of getting Ecuador isolated in space on linebackers and just letting him make moves and beat people and he was phenomenal. I think he finished the game with ten catches for like sixty yards. Another. Five carries for thirty yards. I think he was just he was he was great. And I hope we see more of that. Because I think like I said earlier, I think they learn they can be more effective plank quickly. They don't have to play slow and drag down the pace of the game. And it just seemed like once they figure that out and they got that pace going, and they started really moving up to the line of scrimmage getting getting up to the Leonard scrimmage getting the play going. It just seemed like everybody was in the flow. And it was a really good thing to see. So I just I really liked that up approach. And I hope we see more of it. And it looked kind of like, you know, early on Chandler Jones, Robert Kim de Chee were really getting to the interior of the offense of line and really get into rivers. And it was almost like a switch to whiz was like, hey, man. We gotta get this out a second quicker than we have before. Because they're getting after us. It couldn't catch up. It was too quick. The rush couldn't get home. There wasn't time for them to even get to rivers at that point. So I think it was a good switch by wiz to just get it up tempo. And get a lot of speed. On that field. And then once you're dumping the ball off to Gordon and actor, and you know, you've got Keenan Allen running in the middle of the field. It was it was a working on all Saunders. And it was it was nice to see some actual urgency because it seems like in the last few weeks every time there was a two minute drill. Going in the half a lot of times they were just moving at that snail's pace. Like they have all game. Like it was the first drive of the game. And it's zero zero when they need to score points in a hurry. And they did and they made it work, and they just couldn't be stopped on Sunday. Yeah. It was it was very refreshing change. I thought just to be able to get everybody involved spread the ball around. And really just get your playmakers in space and let them make plays seem like they had. You know, you've got cannon and Mike making plays outside and down the field. You've got equity making catches underneath just everybody contributing. And like I said, you just get that that momentum going, and they just rolled downhill, and they steamrolled them. They were out the pass rush at something that I think is. Going to be really important to do against Pittsburgh and against Baltimore as we move into the later part of the season two teams that really get after the quarterback that have really a wealth of pass rushers both inside and outside. Charters are going to have to figure out ways to slow them down with the pace of the game. Because I don't know that they're pass protection is going to hold up against those defenses in particular down the stretch. They just the past the past protection just has not looked that. Good. So I think you have to find creative ways to help them by wearing down the defense up front with speed and tempo. Then the other thing that I noticed and I commented about this during the game is they have a really nifty little speed speed NASCAR package working right now on third down in particular. They bring that nickel and dime defense in and you get Joey Melvin Isaac ratio and Chen and Awo sue all on the line together with hands in the dirt. And you've got sometimes you're lining up Bosa and Ingram on the same side of the line. And you're running games at them up front. You can get you can find ways to get new oh Soo freed up by pairing him with either Bosa or Ingram got Rechelle. Continuing to apply pressure up the middle claps in the pocket, forcing guys step up. I mean, there are a lot of options there a lot of speed a lot about lettuces them. And it opens door for a lot of games. A lot of stunts a lot of twists, and it really lets them be aggressive and creative with the pass rush without committing five or six guys to the pass rush because they're getting home of four guys on a consistent basis. So it gives them more options on the back end. And I think that's gonna that's gonna be an important thing down the stretch this season as well. Yeah. We're seeing an increase in new. Oh Soo snaps who I thought did a pretty good job. On Sunday applied some pressure to Rosen. Got that pass the flesh in the end zone. Luckily, recover on a fullback where he just got his hands up knocked the ball away. But yeah, it was good to see new oh Soo active as grow shell holding down the middle. There was surprisingly without Leauge. It me babe. Rain the run game held up, and you know, kind of impressed with TY McGill. I thought he had a pretty quiet game. But did pretty good the middle. Yeah. He looked pretty good. He had some real good. Get off on the line on a couple of plays got up feeling the hurry. Yeah. He looked good. I like I said earlier I thought the guys on the interior looked like they really handled the challenge of filling in for Leauge it and ebaying quite well, particularly square and file on and and McGill those guys in particular play quite well. So yeah, I think seeing some of those some of those wrinkles really helped. And now sudden we're starting to see better playing the back end because they're getting home more quickly with the pass rush all things are going to help in December, and hopefully January. So when idea I had while watching this game. And I kinda wanted to talk about on the podcast was actually about special teams, and you know, going into this year and as as this whole two thousand eighteen season was unfolding. There was major deficiency. At the kicker position at the paternal position. And we watched Caleb Sturgis almost lost his job at a camp to Roberto Aguayo who's perfect the preseason. The, you know, then of course, Sturgis kicking campaign two thousand eighteen was a nightmare. Michael badgley comes in Sturgis goes down. Surges got kicked to the curb, obviously and badgley? So far nine for nine on field goals made along a forty six. He's sixteen for seventy on extra points. And not only that bid badgley was kicking in the end zone on Sunday on a couple of got a couple touchback which was an area he needed to improve. And if you think about the future badgley rookie this year if things go, right? And he's still keeps up his good kicking. Then you know, you've got somebody locked in for hopefully the future. And then as the season started JJ Jones was the returner. He literally fumbled his job away. Travis Benjamin was thrown back. There didn't get any better. And then he went down with an injury. And they said, hey, why don't we throw Desmond king back there? And here we go. We've got a whole revelation week four rolls around forty Niners come to town and desma king changed everything. And you know, the last week. We saw Travis Benjamin returned some punts in it looked stale again. And then again this week does kings back out there. They don't care. He's kick returning. Amp returning kick returns, the average twenty nine yards on three returns return duties should be does his job. Unless, you know, something bad happens, you got depth issues, obviously. But you know, you're looking at the future and obviously Donnie Jones, he's he's been fine. And he's thirty eight. So they'll have to address that at some point. But you know, what season was starting. We're going. Oh my God. Man. The charges are going to have to find a new field goal kicker. New punter new holder new punt returner, kick returner and all the kind of worked itself out throughout the season. Michael badgley has looked great Dez king. Looks electric. Heels broke two kicks on Sunday. It seems like every time he touch the ball. He has a chance to break when open obviously, the punter is an unknown going into two thousand nineteen but that's such a good thing that they care their returner duties with king. They've got their field goal kicker now with badgley things are looking good. And they don't have as many holes on special teams as we thought as a season was kinda rolling along. Yeah. And they did all this without having to spend draft capital on it, right? Without having to spend big free agent money because you know, they've been trying for years to fix. Particularly the return game by throwing money at it with J with CoCo Jones and Travis Benjamin. And none of that stuff worked. And now they've found king. They they already had on the roster. They didn't have to waste of graphic on it. The they're going to have to pay him, but they're gonna pay him because play corner more than his his return game. But yeah, they don't have to commit extra resources to it. So they're finding in house solutions are developing in house solutions, these are all encouraging developments for the coaching staff. It's probably gonna wind up keeping George Stewart around longer than we'd all like, but. It's winning games. And that might be a trade off that we just have to live with. Yeah. I guess so I guess so. But it's nice that we don't have that glaring issue. Not only because we don't have to watch Phil kicker tape. But also because it kind of all just sort itself out, and you're right. They didn't have to buy in. They didn't have throw money at it. They didn't have to do anything. Crazy. They had everything right? Where they needed to. They picked up badgley. And they kept him on the practice squad. Just in case and good thing. They did because they're able to call them up as soon as Sturgis just shit the bed. The last time. So it's been good. It was interesting. You know, just having not during the game. Like, hey, man. It's not as bad as we thought when the season started now. Yeah, it's definitely gotten a lot better. And even Jones he had a couple of fifty yard kicks on Sunday. Seems like he's starting to kick the ball a little bit better. Everything seems like it's running in shape. I'd like, you know, the the kick coverage teams have been a little bit inconsistent one week. They look really good the next week. They pick return. Didn't seem like they were too prepared for Christian Kirk on Sunday, but they kind of settled down, and they took well they didn't have to put anymore that helped. Yeah. But yeah, Gino came in. It doesn't seem like the special teams are a complete liability anymore there at least there. I mean, they're ranked really highly PF they've been one of the top special teams units in the league all year, according to PF, I don't know that I agree with that. But you know, their average maybe slightly above average and no longer a complete liability. So hopefully that holds up down the stretch here. Yeah. And that's fine by me now Sunday faucet actors starting running back one of their better special teams players know actor and the last time I didn't play special teams there were some they were getting gashed on special teams. So we'll see how that plays itself out on Sunday in Pittsburgh. Yeah, we'll see how they handle that that might that might also be a reason why they didn't have much of a game plan for actor in London as well. Because they realize need him on special teams part of me also wondering if maybe they were kind of playing coy with with Eker. Cler and they've been saving him for the stretch run. Because they kind of they threw a lot at the cardinals. And put a lot of him on tape on Sunday, maybe more than you normally would like to see going into a big match up with the Steelers you'd want to see them kind of spring that on the Steelers. But it almost felt like like an information dump like here he is. Everybody's been wanting to see cler here. He is look at all the ways we can get him the ball look at everything he can do with the ball in his hands. Go ahead. We dare you prepare for it and just kind of trying to overwhelm them. And give them one extra thing to think about when they're watching film, something that they may not have had to think something that they may not have thought they would have had to worry about going into that game. So maybe moving some chess pieces around maybe a little gamesmanship. Now, they're starting to spring Ecuador lose it started a little bit into in against Denver, really blew up. Against against the cardinals this week. So we'll see if they continue to do that. And if maybe they just have a Florida section of the playbook. They're ready to unload on the Steelers on Sunday night in prime time. Yeah. A lot of the happened with mama, Gordon. So in the game before his injury. I mean that drive right before the half was all Austin. Yeah. He field that drive, and he was a big part of the the first drive after halftime as well to seem like at like, I said it just picked up the tempo getting him involved. So hopefully that that continues. So we got a little bit more time. We went through our storylines. Give me your opinion on what you think about this whole number Gordon injury. Who are who are you blaming because we got a question late said whose fault is wiz? That Lynn was that cler was I Gordon who whose fault was that that he got injured. I think I think it's personnel mismanagement to be honest with you. There was no reason at that point. It was twenty eight nothing. They're working on making. I'm sorry. It was twenty ten felt like twenty nothing at that point. They were working making it thirty five ten. There was really no reason for Gordon to be in the game at that point. Because the game was over. And there was no way the cardinals were coming back. And it just seemed like just seemed like something shook loose, and they were having so much fun that they were just throwing everything out there to see what stuck. So I don't know that it's really the play necessarily could have happened. Anybody could could happen to Ecuador in that situation. I don't think it was the play. Although there's really no reason to roll out a double reverse when you're up twenty eight nothing or twenty ten I did it again when you're twenty eight ten, but to me, I think at that they probably should have had Gordon out of the game after halftime just understanding what he dealt with all week the importance of him to the offense and the team and that they really didn't need him in the second half. There was no reason for him to be on the field. So I think it's I think it's personnel. Mismanagement more so than bad play calling. I think calling. Blaming it on the play. Call is a little bit misdirected because they ran that play earlier in the game of the second quarter. It was Gordon who toss it actor Ecuador gained seven yards. They tried it again, which they've done before, you know, they've seen things that have worked and they've tried it more than one time to see if they can fool them again this time it didn't work out. And it's one of those freak plays where can chasing Ecuador and any basically leg whip's. Yeah. Melvin Gordon from behind, you know, it could have happened anywhere. And in fact, rewatching the game it seemed like the goal line run where he kinda got twisted up an extended towards the goal line. There's a player who's going to get injured out that look like something where he could have really hurt himself, and he didn't. But if the argument is, hey, listen, they're up twenty eight ten you're driving at that point. You knew you were going to score again at least a field goal at that point. You shouldn't have Melvin Gordon. And that argument I understand. But if the argument is listen man, why would echo toss it that close? When there's a guy on. Why would you run a double reverse at that point? What is Lynn doing? What is wiz doing? I don't think you can really blame them for the play call. If you're talking about Melbourne should be in where watching that game live. I thought listen they're going to get the ball back. They score again, just yanked starters. So and that was the drive where MoMA Gordon got hurt. So I saw in my mind. I thought hey, maybe lintel take everybody out. They'll score thirty five and get out of there. You know? But but it didn't happen. It's still early ish in the game. So I kind of understand it because that's what I thought live. But I don't think it was. I don't think you can blame it on the play call now. I was just a freak thing from the calling standpoint. Yeah, I actually had to go back and check timing of it. But I actually tweeted right after halftime as they were in the middle of that drive. I said there's no reason for the starters to the out there. Let's get let's get him out of there. And just get the get the reserve some playing time it on a last drive after halftime or before halftime coming out of halftime. Okay. Actually. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. I think it was during the first drive of the second half. I was just concerned that they were gonna leave him on the field. Too long. Somebody who's going to get hurt. And I just didn't want to deal with that. There is no reason to mess with it. Of course. Gordon winds of getting hurt. But yeah. You know? I don't think it's the play call. I just think I think you've got to be smarter with a guy who's banged up and who had talk as we ended the lineup and realize that we probably don't need them for the second half. Let's get him the street clothes, let them rest. Let them get a little extra rest for that. Knee heading into a key primetime game. And let's let some of the backups play and see what they can do get get some film on those guys. So just maybe a little, greedy. Maybe not not managing the players as well as they the personnel as well as they should be in that situation and being aware of just how valuable he is. And and and how important is to keep him healthy. Okay. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #187: Chargers and Rams joint practice update

Bolts from the Blue

33:36 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #187: Chargers and Rams joint practice update

"Ooh This is the lightning round podcast with your host Garrett says the N.. Jamie oil charges go guys welcome to the podcast genius here with me. He is at lightning underscore round. Of course I am accurate Sistine today just be kind kind of a casual podcast. Jamie and I were at camp yesterday which was Thursday. It was the joint practice against the rams and we're just going to give you an update on what we saw from camp. We're just GONNA get straight into it and I think the big story land from Camp and something that you and I were watching a lot because during that joint practice they had the chargers chargers defense and the rams offense on the far field which we didn't get to see but right in front of us we got to see the rams defense I the chargers offense and something that we were kind of keep an eye on was the chargers offensive line yeah so kind of leading up to that practice. It's my understanding that the team has been basically sticking with Fini as the starting left guard unless he was giving living Mike Pouncey a break at center which means that lamp had basically been relegated forest lamp at basically been relegated to second team duties and the occasional first team snap when they were shifting Phoenix Center but the first thing we noticed was I believe the team had I think it was eight eleven on eleven sessions yesterday if I'm not mistaken and five of them featured forced lamp at left guard not right guard <hes> with Mike Pouncey in Atlanta at center so he start he <music> over five of the eight sessions with the first team offensive line at left guard and I thought you know while he wasn't perfect and he definitely had some issues with the <hes> <hes> Aaron Donald at times he had he also had some good reps against Donald we saw him pull make a couple nice reach blocks <hes> he stood up Michael Brokers a couple all times in pass protection. <hes> I thought overall <hes> well it certainly wasn't perfect. Lamp had a good day. There was more good than bad <hes> plenty of reason to be optimistic optimistic and obviously to see him get inserted in the lineup. The way they did was very encouraging in my opinion just because they hadn't done it before in here they they have a joint practice with their crosstown rivals the N._F._l.. Network was in town filming filming the practice and lamp got the majority of the first team snaps and handle. I'm quite well and it looked like just based on how they were using lamp and Feeney that Fini might be beginning at transition into more of a swing interior linemen role so so that was definitely at least in my opinion the biggest the biggest takeaway from camp was the inclusion of lamp in the starting lineup at left guard and you know the seeing Fini play left guard and center with the Second Team Yeah from my count lamp was in five of the eight reps with the starters but I think like one of those reps was with Dan Feeney at center and forced lamp at left guard correct but regardless not taking away from your point at all because I completely agree is that it seems as like the battle left guard between Dan Feeney enforce lamp is swinging towards force lamps direction right now and we're seeing Dan Feeney as the backup center now which now puts pushes the fifth round pick from last year Scott Question Berry down the depth chart as well and maybe Dan feeney while we thought maybe four slam was going to be the guard art. Dan Feeney was going to be the future guards. It might be Dan Phoenix Center. It works out there and Mike Pouncey isn't long for the chargers. After this year he might be the starting center later Iran but as of right now it seems like force lamp is going to be that starting left guard at least getting the starter minutes come preseason yeah and pound sees contract does expire at the end of the year so he'll be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and it seems like they basically have Fini shadowing pouncey and learning from him so who knows what they're going to bring in pouncey back but it looks like they want to at least have Fini prepared to play center if they don't bring pouncey back and that kind of jives with some things we heard <hes> not last offseason but I think it was the off season before <hes> from <hes> Capo Hal posey our former colleague bolt from the blue who said that when the team drafted did Fini they really preferred him as a center but they were forced to move him to left guard when he was rolling it to Philip rivers in training camp well no I I was talking more about when <hes> when they lost Matt Matt's Lawson in the middle of the season in twenty seventeen they had to move fini the over yeah so <hes> and now it seems like they're kind of getting back to viewing him more as a center and as a swing interior linemen than they are starting left guard so I think there's a lot to be taken from that and obviously from my perspective and from forest lamps perspective. I'm sure somebody who's used to playing left. Tackle might prefer to play on the left side so it seems like that's a more natural fit than the right guard position they had him playing in his first camp before he got hurt. <hes> and it also means based on what we saw that <hes> Michael Scofield is basically walked in as the right guard. There's no competition going on there. We didn't see any kind of rotation. He received all the first team snaps at right guard. He seems like he is basically locked in there so for forest lamp it looks like <hes> it's left guard or bust in twenty nineteen gene there were no snaps for him at right tackle even though they they talked about trying to test his versatility and camp and seeing if he could handle right tackle at this level. It doesn't seem like like that's in the plan. It seems like he is working his way into that rotation at left guard and it's going to be that or nothing for him in terms of being a starter and making an impact in twenty nine thousand nine yeah so in the off season they were talking about four slam getting tries at both guard spots and at tackle and it is left guard like you mentioned and win Hunt said you know we got a Lotta guys there and we'll kind of see where they land in. It seems like we already know. It's you know force lamp is again replace anybody else other than Dan Feeney. Michael Scofield is cemented in that other guard spot in. There's no other guy that's taken his role and you know they have Sam Tevi at right tackle and they've got trench. Scott left tackle. L. And those guys aren't moving either. We thought maybe TRAE pipkins would get some snaps. Maybe with the starters or they rotate some other guys. They're attacking force lamping one of those guys they are not it is Sam heavy and it is transcribed as the book ends. Yeah I mean we're not even seeing Scofield at that right tackle position. Some people thought lamb might wind up the right right guard and Scofield might slide out tackle. which is something that we I don't think I ever really thought that was a possibility but some people were hoping it might be just because they wanna get heavy off the field? It seems like this team is locked in on heavy and Scott there was really no rotation of any kind between them or any of the other tackles that those two book and positions so right now all just based on what we saw yesterday and granted it's one practice but it it did seem pretty telling it looks like for those five spots are locked down with the <hes> was Scott Policy Scofield and Tevi and then they're having that heated battle with with Fenian lamp at left guard now and that's actually been the same offensive line rotation for seven days now chargers camp so you know nothing has changed from the day started to the day that you and I went so it is all locked in except that left guard position and the fact that they were able to go against the guy like Aaron. Donald Left Guard was pretty nice and I I won't say that lamp won that battle because he didn't but he won a couple of them and <hes> that was kind of Nice to see that reach block that you're talking about was pretty nice because Aaron Donald seem like he was offsides at that point to the fact he was able to get over there and time time was pretty impressive so yeah in terms of the offensive line with Oh coon out it is Trent Scott would be throughout the depth though we got to see the <HES> trae Pipkins who had his struggles. We got to see Cole Toner actually left early on Me and then you know we just saw the backup guard some some question barry but nobody really impressive along that line yeah you know they. I was a little surprised we had heard go. Uh after they drafted Pipkins that they saw him as a future left tackle and that that was where they were going to be playing him but yesterday there was a good deal of Spencer drank. Oh playing left tackle and pipkins skins playing right tackle and honestly it didn't really matter which tackle position pipkins played. He was not very good at either one. I'll be coming out with an article of my observations for Bolt from the blue later today a day and the one thing I said was looked like a pipkin spent most of his day on his heels and when he wasn't on his heels he was on his ass so not a very good day for trey. I know they like his feet and they like his athleticism but he really struggled with power and speed off the edge and spent most of his time in tyrod Taylor's lap or at his feet so it was a rough day for him. Yeah definitely and you know that's actually something we've talked about after the draft recap that I had heard that they were talking about having him N._B.. That swing tackle early on he's going to be a future left tackle but it really didn't like you mentioned wherever he played he struggled and you know let's one practice and of course everybody's. GonNa talk about how it's early but the chargers team really had hyped pipkins up before that day but how they're excited about what they got it in him and Wiz is was saying that you know once he settles in I think we're going to be pretty excited about the player we drafted and they were Kinda hyping him up and building him up and that's great and I'm sure he's had some pretty good days. <hes> you know he had been a guy for me. The last couple of days I went to camp. There wasn't anything that kind of impressed me. I didn't see him win a lot of battles. It was kind of a win an lose. He was just doing okay but in terms of Thursday against the rams and that joint practice he was more of a loser than he was a winner and that was was second in thirteen reps when he was struggling with so yeah. The line is a whole whether it was first team second team third team. The past protection in general was terrible on Thursday. I thought they had a hard time. Protecting the edges and there was a lot of interior pressure regardless of which unit was on the field rivers was under duress and of course rivers being rivers just kept making plays of course. They couldn't sack him there. Probably I don't know five or six plays that would have ended in sacks that wound up with him completing passes because they couldn't hit him. <hes> tyrod banged his hand on a helmet because of the pressure that he was getting at one point <hes> it was just you know. quarterbacks cracks were running for their lives so it was not a good day in terms of pass protection yesterday yeah we saw we did see something interesting with the quarterbacks and that was that. Cartel Jones was getting that Q._B.. Three spot ahead of eastern stick which was not the case every day before that so I don't know if they were trying to give cardella chance but eastern stick hadn't thrown for a good three fourths of that practice up until the second last eleven on eleven where he got some snaps and getting snapped because Cordell looked awful he was lost and didn't know where he was going with the ball and they just threw him out and let eastern stick on one of his first reps at quarterback he got under center didn't know what the play was tried to call time out in practice backed up over his left shoulder so ball dangling at his right shoulder towards the line as he'd backpedaled pedal to his left looking at the sideline because he didn't know what was going on basically gave up ten yards and then just threw the ball away because he had no idea where he was supposed to go up. It was not pretty yeah. No no he throw it in the dirt and the coaches took them right out and eastern stick then came in completed some two pretty it passes right away but you know stick was a guy that was holding onto that quarterback three. I mean cartel was barely getting any reps throughout practice leading up to that join practice on Thursday but for whatever reason he got the stops before east and stick and then they soon realized why they had eastern stick as that third quarterback and they put them in and right away and then. I don't think Cordell got another snap after that if I'm not mistaken I don't recall. I don't think he did <hes> yeah. I thought stick had some pretty good moments. He had one really nice throw into double coverage to. I think it was. I think it was Kalkin. If I'm not mistaken one of the tight ends at no Jimmy Davis Davis Anyway he completed a tough pass under duress into double coverage day visit Davis Yeah <hes> and then of course on the next play. He tried to throw a deep out floated it and almost got it picked but yeah that was bad yeah but he had some good throws showed some pretty good composure in a situation where the line wasn't really protecting at all so all flash. They're a little bit which encouraging hopefully that car. Dow Jones experiment will be ending soon it will it will something else that it was pretty impressive on. Thursday was the running backs you know actor. Jackson and newsome all got snacks with the starters like they have all camp long and we're seeing that it's going to be very very steady rotation of those three running backs an all had impressive days. Justin Jackson had a touchdown pass that he caught. Eh cler had a really good run. newsome newsom had a really good run. They were all good receivers out of the backfield. They all looked pretty impressive and <hes> something that you mentioned which I think you should mention on the podcast. Is You know after Washington and these guys it seems like Gordon is losing his leverage by the day yeah. I really think he is. I don't think he had much to begin with all three of these guys. I think all three three these guys look good really good yesterday. Jackson had a really nice long touchdown catch on a wheel route down the near sideline from rivers <hes> they all were catching the ball extremely really well. They all had some nice runs as well their explosive they're all more elusive than Melvin is in the open field which makes them really fun to watch and I think this is a group that I've been saying it off season and just watching the camp kind of steals my confidence in this is I think they are a threesome that can approximate if not completely he replaced Melvin production yeah you're not gonNA. You're probably not going to have one guy rush for one thousand yards but you might have two guys rush for six or seven seven hundred dollars each and another one what rush for three or four hundred and I think the situation where you can rotate run with the hot hand you know maybe tweak the offense a little bit to better suit what their strengths hopefully the offensive line starts to play better <hes> but you know. I think this is a group that can the chargers can win with and not just win with but be efficient and be explosive with if they use them properly now if they try to slide them into Melvin role and run between the tackles fifteen times. That's probably not going to work but if if they bring that short passing game back so effective last year they get those guys out on the edges. Maybe run some of those. <hes> misdirections sweep plays things like that. I think those are those are plays that will set up well for Equa. Jackson looks like he can probably run between the tackles and newsome is pretty thickly built. He can probably take some of those those runs between the tackles too so no reason you can't split twenty twenty-five carries between those three and you know maybe split another ten to twelve targets between those three yeah absolutely and you know we had talked about it just one on one but you know. I think a lot of charter fans and it it happened to me on Thursday. Everybody's asking yeah well. Who's going to be the starting running back to be. It's going to be Jackson. It's going to be new some but like we mentioned last podcast. It's going to be three hundred monster and you're gonNA see a heavy rotation the three of them. It's not so much that this team needs starting running back when I'm done <hes> some trade scenarios where I thought they could trade Melvin Gordon and everybody's like well trades trades are great but they need to starting running back. Why don't they go on the market and get Jay Ajayi or legare blunt and that's just kind of a misconception in my mind. I don't think they need a starting running back. They can definitely rotate between these three guys. They all have exciting traits once you're doing that. You're able to keep those legs fresh in the defense now has to account for three different running backs to do three different do things and to me you know. I had mentioned this to you Jamie but you know I don't see why they can't implement these three guys like the giants did with the earth wind and fire with Brandon Jacobs Derek Ahmad Bradshaw now the chargers don't have an earth you know they don't have a ground and pound guy like brandon. Jacobs and I think that's where the real question is going to be in preseason. Who's going to get that third goal. Who's going to get that second in short that third and short fourth and to whatever who's going to grind out those yards. That's going to be the question because they don't have them. But you know when you got a guy like Ecuadoran Jackson a nuisance why not give them three different looks and Jacobs and ward in a way they were hovering around two hundred hundred carries Ahmad Bradshaw have out you know seventy. I don't see why they can't do that to me. Circling these three and shuffling these three guys would would definitely replicate. We talked about eighty five ninety percent of Melvin Gordon production yeah if not more. I think you make a really good point. You know I pat people asking me on twitter lately like who's going to be the lead back not necessarily a starter but who's going to be the lead back. You still need a guy who gets that three hundred to four hundred carries a season and I don't think you do <hes>. I think I might have mentioned this to you when we talked about this offline yesterday Garrett but do you know how many running running backs averaged more than fifteen touches in at least ten games last year. Oh Yeah we talked. I think only one right one young is Zeke. I don't remember off the top of my head who it was but that's a number that sticks with me because it just shows you that one. There's a lot of wear and tear at the position so even if you have a lead back back just look at Melvin Gordon. Even if you have a lead back they're probably going to miss a few games if you're expecting them to carry the ball eighty percent of the time <hes> and to but if if you do have a lead back and they're wearing down they're probably not going to be as effective late in the season so if you have three guys who all have the skill sets that Ecuadoran Jackson a new some do why not mix and match go at the hot hand make the defense game plan for three running backs with three different styles instead of just one and and you know maybe keep them fresh with that rotation you get you get two weeks you know thirteen through seventeen and all of a sudden now you've got three healthy healthy running backs because they're not carrying the ball fifteen to twenty times a game and now they're all fresher than the running backs you you might be seeing in the playoffs and you're not worried worried about Melvin Gordon at seventy or eighty percent because he's banged up and he's trying to play through an injury. You have three guys who can produce so I.. I just think there's a lot to be gained from that and you might you lose some production that way yeah you'll probably lose some production that way but I still think they can be highly efficient. I still think they can move the ball. All I still think they can put points on the board and I think last year you know if you look at the chargers with Melvin Gordon versus without and this up top my head so the numbers may not be exactly right but I think without him they average something like twenty six and a half or twenty six point six points a game and within they average twenty six point one points a game so oh he is the straw that stirs the drinks the drink he's he's the catalyst he has been for about two and a half years now but that's because they gave him the opportunities they built the offense around him if they tweak the offense and they build the offense around the guys they have and they give them the same quantity and quality of opportunities. I think they will also be productive. Just in a different way and then of course you know we're at Camp and we're ready to hunker down and wash these guys and then we all hear that Melville Gordon's agent Bilbo oboe wants the chargers to Trayvon Gordon. 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I mean I'm sorry Melvin Gordon's team. Apparently they made their formal trade request yeah either last week or early this week and a charter said not the chargers said no because why would they do that. Why wouldn't they just trade him. IF THEY'RE GONNA lose him anyway well. It's no guarantee they're. GonNa lose him anyway right now. The chargers hold all the cards right Gordon's under contract and while his contract does expire fire at the end of the year rollover if he doesn't play <hes> he they could still tag them with the Franchise Tag in twenty twenty and if there's here's a season at twenty twenty one which is up in the air because there might be a lockout they could still franchise tag him again in twenty twenty one if they want to so they could still control him for at least three more four years without giving him a contract so he has really no bargaining power here and it could be losing money in the process and you could be losing money in the process because they're going to they have the the ability to find him up to thirty thousand dollars for every day of camp he misses <hes> there are twenty three days of camp so if they find him thirty thousand dollars for every day he misses that six hundred. I'm sorry nine hundred and sixty thousand dollars that he's going to miss out on if they find them the full amount which they may not <hes> the there's some gray area in there in terms of you know looking patty and damaging other negotiations with other players if you do that but they have the ability to do that they can also find him a game check for every preseason game and every regular season game he misses while he holds out and I went and did the math on this if they hit him with every fine for every day of training camp that he misses and they find them for every preseason game and every regular season game he misses they'd be finding him almost seven point eight million dollars this year now he's made ten point six million dollars gross before taxes over the first four years of his contract so he's probably made somewhere in the neighborhood of four and a half or five million dollars net after taxes so assuming he saved his money which she probably has an. I'm sure he's bought a house in cars and jewelry and all the House House for the family and all that kind of stuff. He hasn't even made enough money in this first four years of his rookie deal to absorb the fines. He's GonNa hit if the gene the team finds him to the extent that they're able to I mean he's got endorsements and stuff so there's some extra cash coming in but still it's it's going to be a pinch. Oh Yeah and and you know he's he's do five point six million dollars which he'll make whether he plays or not but that you know that's probably somewhere in the neighborhood or two and a half million three million dollars. There's so basically empty out his savings account or at least a large chunk of it to try to prove a point at which point the chargers could still franchise tag him next year and the year after if they want to so I just don't see how he has any leverage and the second the chargers do put him up for trade and start going through those talks. They lose all the leverage because teams no. They're not going to pay him and teams are going to start low-balling them for them. So there's no advantage. There's no incentive for the chargers to start trade talks yeah yeah and this could all get worse once the chargers run that three-man running back rotation and things end up working out like we think they will and the thought at that you can't replace me quickly becomes yes we can and now we need you back at camp or we don't need you to stay home yeah or stay home or now. The offer becomes something else awesome. That's something else that you and I talked about. You'd heard something interesting about how you know. They'd offered them a deal but now it seems like it may be just a one year deal yes so there was A.. The report last week that the chargers had offered him between ten and a half million dollars a year last year right and there was a report from Charles Robinson late last week where he he said the chargers were looking to sign a deal. That was something some kind of a raise over the <hes> five year forty million dollar contract the Falcons signed devante Freeman to but the chart but the the Gordon camp was looking for something more along the lines of the three year thirty nine million dollar a contract that David Johnson signed with the cardinals the difference they are being. I think Freeman got like twenty five million dollars or twenty million dollars. Guaranteed Johnson got thirty. One Million Dollars Guaranteed so the Gordon camp wants more guarantees. They want more per year so there is some conflicting reports but I heard I heard on E._S._p._N.. Yesterday and I didn't see it for myself and I haven't been able to confirm it but this is just what I heard is that Shelly Smith reported on N._F._l.. Live yesterday that the chargers Rogers actually made a one year ten million dollar offer to Gordon at some point probably last week in a sort of take it or leave it approach of hey if you don't want to sign the the longer term contract that we offered you here is a one year ten million dollar deal for you and we'll revisit this next year. Which of course is probably what triggered the trade request so it sounds like they offered him a longer term deal. Whether it's three or four years they said no we want more money and the charge came back and said we'll find here's one year here's ten million take it or leave it and we'll move on without you and so far sounds like the. Gordon camp did not like that and they wanted to trade in the chargers. Why why would the chargers want to do that when they hold all the cards and potentially could could hold even more cards if this ends up working out so yeah. It's it's kind ugly right now. We'll see Mama Gordon reports. You know chance that chargers tag him anyways for the next two years. This drags out even uglier for the next two years. I still I still think carries into the regular season but I think he's going to be back sometime around mid season sometime between week six week. Ten is my projection. I just I think once he starts seeing the fines hines mount and he starts. I mean right now. It's thirty thousand dollars a day and they're probably not finding everyday so that's probably seems like a drop in the bucket but a game check for him is three three hundred thirty thousand dollars so how many three hundred and thirty thousand dollar checks would you want to dish out to hold out to quote unquote. Prove a point that you're not really proving proving to begin with so I think he'll be back. I think he'll probably dish. He'll probably skip the preseason and be back at some point. You know early mid regular season just because it just doesn't pay to give all that money when the team could franchise him and he might wind up sitting out another year which I doubt he'll do so yeah. That's where I think this winds up going yeah yeah so getting back to training camp. We got to see the wide receivers and of course Keenan Allen did Keenan Allen things on Thursday made a the highlight reel catch down the sideline which it was awesome where he laid out for it with Eric when wetteland coverage by the way you know Mike Williams had two touchdown catches and Travis Benjamin <hes> seemed like he was is the best wide receiver behind him on Thursday. Kata touchdown pass made a couple of catches in coverage and the guys after that that we kinda thought thought maybe would put Travis Benjamin which were <hes> Jeremy Davidson Arteta's Scott just kind of doing their thing. Nobody has really pushed Travis Benjamin so far in in seven days a Camp Benjamin Carter touchdown pass they were throwing him throwing him consistently on the deep ball <hes> he has been rotating from what I understand and what we saw yesterday he's been rotating that wide receiver three position with Davis and that did continue on Thursday <hes> but Davis isn't really making a ton of plays with the first team. Most of his plays are coming with the second team and even that's pretty sparing didn't really see much out of our table. Scott although he was returning punts and he broke a couple long ones had one that it probably would have been six if he hadn't tripped in the open field but not dot doing much as a wide receiver so right now that looks like the wide receiver depth chart the first four spots are pretty much spoken and four with Alan Williams Davis and Benjamin and you've got Arteta Scott Andre Patent Justin Moore and just in Justice Liggins <music> all combatant all battling for that fifth spot yeah <hes> and of those guys the only guys that really stood out at least to me yesterday and it was still just flashes. These were Justin Moore Injustice Liggins or Jason and Justice Liggins. Both of whom caught long vault long passes liggins had touchdown no catch and run for a touchdown and more had a big play on a crossing route where he got a ton of separation in the middle of the field so those are the guys who seem to be working their way up the depth chart. You're not really seeing a whole lot at least in the one day that I was there from Davis or from Scott. Yeah no absolutely Davis. Scott haven't really splashed it. All and camp and Travis Benjamin have made a couple. Oh plays so he's probably locked that wide receiver three spot but there has been a rotation. They're trying to get Jeremy Davidson that spot too so it seems like the it's Alan Williams Williams Benjamin you've got Jeremy. Davis in our TAVIST got probably has the lead right now after Davis but a guy that has flashed a lot in camp so far and seven Sundays is the undrafted free agent Jason More so look out for him in another guy. That's flashed in a guy that the team likes is the running back slash fullback Jeremy Armie Cox. I think he had a long catch yesterday. If I'm not mistaken he did yeah and a pretty good run as well but about tight ends. Let's talk about tight ends. Virgil Green has been out the last couple of today's a hunter Henry has been you know the absolute safety blanket a lot of tight windows a lot of good catches from Hunter Henry. It's awesome to see him back out out there and then after that Virgil Green's been injured the last couple of days so he hasn't been out there and Sean Kokin has been the guy that's made some good catches had a touchdown <music> a catch and then after that Andrew Voeller has seemed like he's made some plays in the last couple of days. I believe he had a touchdown catch with the twos or threes. If I'm not mistaken from tyrod but a guy that's kind of making a little bit more noise. Everybody will not everybody but within bolt from the Blue Lou. Everybody's been talking about this. Daniel helm the duke tight end who ended up getting cut yesterday making some noise but it seems like Voeller. It's been the guy and one guy that we we had talked about and now I forgot. His name was formerly with the browns. Vince male Vince mail so vince male I think had a touchdown catches well at least a long don't catch yesterday but seems like kind of that guy who I guess could push Kokin but coconut flashed the last couple of days. Kokin was open quite a bit it yesterday. Dislike Hunter Henry was just want to say it was really nice to see Hunter Henry back to seem like that rams defense just kind of part like the Red Sea in the middle of the field. Just let Hunter Henry Run wild in the middle of the field he made several contested catches that he had two touchdowns <hes> he just looked like a massive fast target in the middle of the field and rivers was finding him early and often <hes> Kalkin was open quite a bit made some catches had one drop on a ball where rivers fit a ball aw down the sideline pretty much perfectly and he dropped it but he he seems like he's taking a step towards making the roster looks more athletic like he might have lost some weight and added speed in the off season and you mentioned is that vote. Yeah Andrew Voeller he caught quite a few balls from tyrod. <hes> yesterday and look pretty good seemed like tyrod. 'em have a pretty solid connection with that second team so I think I think you're probably looking at three tight ends but maybe votes sneaks on a fourth tight end if they're not quite confident or of Greens a little banged up still when when the regular season starts but right now. It looks like it's probably going to be you know Henry Green and Culkin well that does that kind of wraps up everything we saw in training camp things to look forward to next week in the first preseason game. I appreciate you guys listening. I I am at gear. SEC- on twitter Jamie lightning underscore round and we will see next time offensive but he yeah.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #177: Top 5 Free Agents

Bolts from the Blue

45:08 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #177: Top 5 Free Agents

"Hey, buddy, Gary sixty here. Just want to give you a little message up front before. We started this podcast. We recorded this podcast Monday night, which was the night of the first day of legal tampering, and we came up with these lists before anybody was signed now as releasing this on Tuesday morning, some of the players on both my list and Jamie's lists have already been signed. So we are aware that it just so happened that the players got snatched up before we get this podcast out. So we're aware, but there are still a lot of players on this list that have not been signed yet so listening enjoy it love you all. On. So like. Mold clark. This is the lightning round podcast with your host GARRETT'S, Steve and Jamie, voile, go chargers skull. Everybody walking through the lightning round podcast. I am Garrett sixty which is at Garissa see on Twitter. Jamie Hoyle is here. He is at lightning underscore around. And we're going to talk about free agency. And some of the moves the chargers made this off season internally. We'll talk about some moves we like them to make on external free agents. Some that have been signed yet. And we'll go over all that. But first, we got some donations. So the first nation is from Michael Lawson. Thank you very much for the generous donation, Michael. We appreciate it. Thank you, Michael next Junius limb who says here's to no more a die. He can quote unquote, hit free agency. Very good Junius. Thank you very much. And the last one is from 'Antonio Stevens who says solid offseason work as usual guys. What kind of beers? Do you buy with all your beer money? You got a favorite bear. You're drinking right now. Normally what I'm drinking beer, I like the craft stuff. I'm big on the belching beaver. Peanut butter stout. Yeah. Still going with it. Yeah. I've been going with that. I still drink that Tony Gwynn beer the three ninety four because I just love it. But a lot of logging nita's recently for whatever reason. But thank you guys. Appreciate it. Michael Junius Antonio for donating and now we got a call, and we got a question. So let's hear it's from Daniel hating. Hi garrett. My name is Daniel paler, and I am calling in from Washington DC. So first off thank you so much for the podcast. I been avid chargers fans are liens age. But even so I learned so much about the team through lightning round that it adds a layer to thank you from my question. I wanted to throw out a rather bold statement. And just see what your reactions are to it statement is the chargers must address offensive line and route one or two. Draft. Now, I agree that you have to balance team need with who's on the board and agree with your session that there are a number of cool places. The chargers could go in the first round. But well, look at the limited free agent market for offensive linemen and for tackled especially I don't know that anything scares me more with this team than the idea of them going into two thousand nineteen with the same starting five allowing rivers to get thrown off his game. Anyways. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you Garrett libido, she speak about that and Goebbels. So Daniel, I think that's a very astute observation I think I'm kind of as I'm seeing how free agency is unfolding and hell guys like Trent Brown, and John James or getting paid. I think that's how things are kind of leaning towards the for the chargers. I think they're they're going to build their offs their off-season around putting themselves. In a position to take offense of tackled. Probably in the first round that was probably always the plan. But I think is just been kind of reaffirmed by how these guys are getting way overpaid in free agency. So I think I'm fully expecting an offensive tackle in the first round. I think whether it's the fourth best offensive tackle or the seventh fest offensive tackle. It's arguably the biggest need on the roster right now. And Thom Tillis go always goes the biggest need he has a habit of alternating between offense defense last year. It was offense defense third last year. It was defense getting Dermot James. This year. I think it's going to be offensive tackle. I think he's going to try to plug some of those defensive holes in free agency and as offensive tackles are getting signed. I think some of the top tackles some the top four or five guys are starting to slide down boards a little bit as teams fill needs. So I think it's setting up well for them to get a get a tackle. And hopefully, get a good one and not get stuck with one of the lower level first round picks, but get somebody who might have been expected to go a little bit earlier. Yeah. No. I I actually agree this offensive line free agent market stunk from the beginning, and it still stinks. Even when you know day one is almost over. So it was never anything special. And I was hoping the charges wouldn't go tackle. And obviously, right. Tackle is an immediate need left tackle, probably sooner rather than later. I think you're probably right. I also assume it'd be offensive tackle in the first round in round one or two is probably a good bet. It's probably the favorite. Half to probably have to at least in day one or two. I guess you could make an argument the right tackle might be easier to find than a left tackle. So maybe you can push the third round. But I think that's probably the way to go first or second round. We got to see what happens after the dust settles after free agency happens. But I mean taking tackle early in the draft is by far the heavy favor because you look at the free agent market right now for defenders, which we're gonna talk about defensive tackle still has a couple of good names. Their safety is obviously probably the heaviest market with the most talent. So the chargers could get themselves a defensive tackle and a safety a free safety in agency. And there's a couple of good. I heard this defense attack classes, pretty good. We haven't got we get in our draft podcasts. But also an option to go later on. So, you know, it's kind of fallen into place that attack was probably going to go early for the chargers this year in the. Draft. Yeah. And you kind of hinted at something that I've been talking about Aussies in which is you know, they're going to need to replace Russell Kun probably sooner rather than later. So I would not be the least bit surprised if we see two tackles taken in the first four rounds this year just trying to get ahead of the curve and fill a future need with a developmental guy that they can kind of stash behind Oku. I think that's a very real possibility. Yeah. It's kind of like what they did in this past draft when they drafted to lime into whoa, sue and then Kaiser white two linebackers. They knew they needed to replace Kyla manual sooner rather than later Perryman is going to need eventual replacement. So they got Kaiser white so they could definitely do that and draft tackles. So before we get into free agency. Let's talk about some of the moves the chargers main because we were kind of knee deep in these draft profiles on the podcast. We didn't get to all the cuts that happened in the off season so far. So let's first talk about custom. We'll talk about some re-signing tender the happened today. Corey lead. You got cut they declined his contract option made him a free agent. He was set to make nine point five million in two thousand nineteen it costs the team one point five million. And they saved eight million the process of these two guys were names. We actually suggested in the internal Frazier podcast. Yeah. We we talked about Leauge it being the most likely guy to get cut. We thought there was maybe a chance they might get cold feet, depending on what happened the file on and square me being. But he was always the guy that we looked at it and said, it makes the most sense, it's the easiest move to make you can't keep paying him nine and a half million. They made that move, and we talked about to die. We said we weren't sure it was going to happen because they keep talking about how much they love him and how he's a leader on the tone center and all that garbage. And then what do we find out this weekend? How Luigia they cut? So Jalil is on the free agent market. The chargers, I think save themselves five million if I'm not mistaken against the cap while eating about a million and a half a million a quarter something along those lines. So big savings. I think that pushed their their cap space from like twenty one million to twenty six million somewhere in that range. So it was a move that everybody knew they had to make. But everybody wasn't sure they would make I think them bringing back Jaylen Watkins, which we'll talk about here in a minute kind of buried the lead there, but bringing him back helped being able to get a look at Ray Sean Jenkins at free safety in the playoffs. I think that helped so they have their options there. And there are some some nice options on the free agent market, which I think helped make that transition a little bit easier. Make that decision a little bit easier. So good Corey goodbye Jalil, just one more cut to go. Exactly. Not just because make us right? But because it's the right move to make. But also because it too. We kind of talked about it on the internal free agent podcast. But it was the right move to make leisure played better than he had in years past. But the team was much better with dairies file on us three tech. And you know, the obviously drafted Justin Jones in the third round five hundred still free agent. So we'll see about that. But cutting Leija was right call you're right. I don't think anybody thought they would make this move. We all thought Jalil die was untouchable. But you know, they say the five million, and he's an easy target Jalil values. And we've obviously taken our swings here on this podcast. No doubt about that. But you know, logistically, he was just out of place on this team. You know, he's so much better in seventeen when he was closer line of scrimmage, they draft her when James who is just world's better than Gelo die will ever be. And so they move him closer line of scrimmage. They tried to play him a free safety didn't work. They try that linebacker spot a couple times it didn't work. You just didn't. Have a spot on this roster anymore? And it was the move the team had to make and they did. So I applaud them we probably could've told me. He wasn't going to be any good playing center field. But we did regardless we. Yeah. We did when they tried to force that round peg in a square hole. But listen it opens the door for free safety which chargers, obviously, you're going to need this offseason. Again, we mentioned it. There were some nice names. We mentioned on the podcast the safety podcast and the draft. We liked it in the first round. But there are also some very good frigid free safety still left on the board. So we'll talk about them in a little bit. So let's talk about the signings. Of course, the big one being the chargers reciting the linebacker Denzel Perryman two years twelve million dollars. And this is a deal that is a very charger friendly. Very team friendly built like a one year deal team. Put most of the bonuses in twenty twenty kind of able to prove it this coming season for Perryman. They can cut him after your two. They saved six point five million in year two we were kind of split here on the internal podcast. I thought they would re-signed Perryman. You didn't they ended up doing it? And man what a great deal they got for them. I. Thought they'd resign them. But I thought he'd they'd let him test the market and he'd find a bit. I thought they try to resign them. But I figured he'd tests the remark the market and find something better out there as it turns out, they didn't let them get to the market. I've. I'm kind of lukewarm on it. I think it's a great deal it structured, very well. I think you know, kind of throwing money at him hoping that they're going to get different results from guy who's never healthy is not the way that I would have gone. But I know they love his leadership. I know they value him as a run stopper. A run stuffer. Excuse me. And you know, I think it I think it works out. I think the deal eventually works out because they can get out of it after your one if he's not healthy. And obviously he's an important part of the defense. They value him in that way. So to be able to get him on a two year deal, not make a huge commitment in terms of guaranteed money or really in terms of total value and have that Ripcord. I, you know, I don't think they could have done much better than they did. So good job by two us, go if there's one strength. He he's always had. It's structuring those deals finding really assigning proper value and figuring out a way to get out of it without really hurting the team financially. So a very well negotiate a deal coupon. God's strikes again Paramount's back, and hopefully he will be healthy and help that run defense. Yeah. He's got something to play for. But yeah, they hit it on the nose here with the structure of this deal. We were both personally split on bringing Perriman back. You know, we we saw the pros and cons. But. We've seen enough meant to kind of know what he is. And, you know, expecting a different result. Like, you said is maybe a little far fetched. But they got their guy in a very team friendly deal. And this is definitely not going to stop the chargers for bringing in another linebacker because this deal means to short-term option. And you know, we'll we'll see how Perriman does. And maybe he proves the team, right? And they can re-sign them, and he can stay healthy for the next two years. But they'll definitely be looking for another linebacker whether it's free agency of the draft. And maybe a deal that they felt they had to make because as of now they don't have a deal done with Adrian Phillips, not even talk of anything being done or even being close. A Davis Brown is still an unknown. Kaiser white was injured his first year, mostly a safety. But now playing linebacker. So maybe they felt like if we don't sign Perryman, then we're going to have to go out and get another linebacker free agency and the draft and maybe that was too many pieces. So they. Need to get somebody on the roster, and they got Perryman who was a leader on defense and a guy they love in the locker room. Yeah. The they've out they've always valued continuity instability. And they wanted that stability and continuity in the middle of the defense. He's their signal caller. He's emotional leader of the defense. Whether he's on the field or not. I questioned whether or not he's the best linebacker on the team. I don't think he is. I think that that title goes to injury and Phillips who hopefully they will find a deal for here, very soon. But like I said, it's a minimal. It's a low risk potentially high reward with that deal. So hard to hard to be upset with them bringing him back the way they did. I was afraid they were going to overextend themselves get into a long term deal. Give him big guaranteed money and really hurt themselves. But they stayed away from that. So that's good. Yup. Agreed. So then the next one is the name you mentioned a little bit earlier. It's db Jaylen Watkins, they signed Watkins to a one year eight hundred ninety five thousand dollar deal and Watkins is a guy who was in competition for the free safety job last year before he got hurt in. I believe the second preseason game. If I'm not mistaken, he was getting rave reviews. They were really excited about what he was doing in practice during training camp. And then of course, he hurt his knee. And and they lost him for the season. So we talked about them bring him back. We thought it was, you know, low risk potentially high reward he can contribute on special teams, maybe create some competition at free safety. We didn't really think that he would be a guy who was likely to force Jila will die off the field. But now based on the way the roster's constructed it looks like he and Rishon Jenkins will be competing for that starting free safety spot barring in addition through free agency of the draft, and you would have to think that he might kind of have the. Sidetrack on that job based on the way, he played last off last training camp and early in preseason seems like he might be guy who slotted for some snaps in that role again, barring any additions in free agency or the draft. So another smart move, you know, less than nine hundred thousand dollars to sign him, very minimal guaranteed money. Special teams player at at the very least good depth. He can play nickel. He can play corner. He can play safety another versatile piece. They can move around in their dime. Heavy defensive scheme. So he's a good fit. And we'll see what happens here in free agency and the draft. But he like I said he might be in line for some snaps it free safety an obvious hole on the chargers roster. He's free safety depth. And like you mentioned he can play every spot. It could play both safety spots you can play corner. And he was a standout special teamer in Philadelphia. So, you know, nothing really to lose here, you've got some free safety depth. You know, maybe he does push ratio Jenkins, and he becomes a starting free safety in that case, you've got a real high reward. But you know. Nothing hurt here and a good depth signing in free agency. So next guy here in the last signing the chargers have done internally is the wide receiver are tavis. Scott Scott signed for one year four hundred ninety five thousand dollars are tavis had a really good camp in preseason last year before you went down and a brutal injury in the last game of the preseason. He was on his way to be the wide receiver five beating out potentially. Both Jeremy Davis and Dylan Cantrell in that role at a camp, you know, with the uncertainty looks like the chargers won't be resigning tyrod Williams, and if things go the way, we hope they do maybe another wide receiver on the roster may not be have a future on this team. So, you know, having some wide receiver depth in camp will be needed and another guy who's a low risk maybe at worst wide receiver competition, but potential high reward. Yeah, he was a guy who was a favorite target of all the quarterbacks. In preseason last year and in training camp. He was making lots of plays seems like a guy who could be ticketed for a slot role, potentially good hands. Good speed. He was contributing quite well on special teams as well. So he can you know, be that two way player for the team and figure going into this this off season. He's probably got the inside track at the wide receiver four job potentially as high as wide receiver three. If again, they cut Travis Benjamin, so low risk potentially high reward a guy who seems like they're really high on and excited to get on the field and see if you can contribute both as a wide receiver on special teams. So another another move that we both thought they'd make make sense on paper makes sense on the field. We'll see how it plays out. And lastly last charged a made is today they tendered quarterback Trevor Williams, they place the original round ten room Williams. It's going to concentrate as a shade over two million team. I recently can match any offer the wombs gets. From other teams of free agency. But by all accounts seemed to chargeable most likely retain Trevor Williams for another year. So we talked about this on the free or not free agency. But on the cut restructure and tag show at the beginning of the season. I thought they do the original round tender you thought second round I could've seen a going either way. But I think the original round makes sense granted if he signed somewhere else, and they let him go. They're not gonna get any compensation because he was an undrafted free agent. But he had such a bad year last year so banged up. It seems like they're probably going to be able to retain him on that original round tender, and again, the very little cost potentially high reward if he can come back and be a CD four CB five forces way into the rotation somewhere contribute on special teams. A guy who could be at at the very least important valuable def p. So a good a good kind of no brainer move that we both thought they'd make. I'm music colleges. Nate Sloan songwriter. Charlie harding. We're the hosts of switched on pop the podcast where Charlie and I breakdown pop hits to reveal how the music works. And why it matters. 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So a retaining Trevor Williams by all accounts, you know, hopefully, they do, but this was an easy move. They make tendering Trevor Williams, and we'll probably retain him for two thousand nineteen. Yeah. I would think so. All right. So let's go ahead and go into our top five free agent. So what we did? Because today was the first day of free agency recording this on Monday night. A lot of players got signed a lot of play. Got taken off the list. We're going to give you are tough. I free agents. Combining both offensive and defensive free agents will work five to one. So we don't bury our favorite free agents. So let's go ahead and start with five and Jamie who is your fifth best free still in the market. So my my fifth best free agent still in the market based on T need and fit and affordability. And all that I think my number five guys, Henry Anderson the defensive lineman for the New York Jets. He's a guy who can play end he can play defensive tackle. He's six six three hundred pounds. He can play that three tech. You might even be able to try him at the one tech in certain situations. He's not all that much smarter than me being was and he even played I think some linebacker for the jets. So maybe you could stick them out there and see if he can play some Sam, I doubt it, but it's worth a shot. He shouldn't be too terribly expensive. You know, I'm thinking he's still young. He's worth an investment to see if he can continue to to improve his game. I think he had seven and a half sacks last year. Also played very well against the run. I've got him getting a three or deal somewhere in the neighborhood of about eighteen million with eight million guaranteed, and I'm kind of modeling his deal after the one year deal that Sheldon Richardson got last year and the deal that Bo Allen sign last year kind of somewhere in the middle there. Okay. So I'll start with number five and number five was lamarcus Joyner, and he got signed. And then I went, okay. Well, I got to pick somebody else. And then it became John James the tackle that the Broncos just signed. So number five is a real eight addition here, it was a safety, then became a tackle. It's a tackle again. And it's the Panthers tackle Daryl Williams when he was healthy and seventeen he looked like a star in the NFL looked really good. But hasn't been healthy for three of the last four season as a pro. And because he hasn't. Been healthy Williams will probably not cost much and won't get a long term deal. So pretty good pass protector is all right in the run game. But he's definitely the best tackle left on the free agent market at worst to stop gab until they find their franchise, right tackle. But he's got the potential starter. Direct competition with say MTV right tackle, give the charges a couple of years before having a draft offense of linemen if they want to. So I'm looking somewhere at a two year deal may about seven million a year. So about two years fourteen million you'd have to protect yourself in terms of an injury. But could be worth a shot. One of those guys. It's kind of a low cost possible. High reward looking at like a Joe Barksdale kind of range like, you know, above average will fill fill a need for a couple years, but not going to blow the door off here. And nobody's going to get a really really excited about it. But again, a late addition here, I put Darah. James as my number five. I'm at the point now with Trent Brown and Juwan James being off the board and getting paid what they got paid. Am out on the tackle market in free agency, not interested at all. So I considered Williams. I've seen people talking about him. I just think that you're better off using some drought draft capital to go out and get it, right tackle. So that's why I did not include Dera Williams in my list. Again, late addition wasn't going to add any offense of players to be honest with you. That's my only offense of player and number four is actually your five. My four is Henry Anderson from the jets didn't didn't quite live up to the height in Indianapolis. But was traded the jets had the Krier like you mentioned seven six last season was the twelfth most and pressures among interior defenders was ranked among Sheldon Richardson and dump consume last year in terms of production. So they obviously have to improve the interior to Lesko wants interior guy. Who can also rush the passer. Anderson can do that he proved that last year he's not gonna come at a steep cost. I've got a five to six million dollar range. So we're in the ballpark. I gave him a three year fifteen million dollar three or eighteen is six million a year. Charters get better inside. He's only twenty six. So that's great in a not a guy that's really proven enough that he would get a forty five year deal. So you're getting a shorter term two to three year deal. At Henry Anderson. Love the speed inside would automatically upgrade the run defense. He's a great run stopper and flashes the past for last year. So he's number four for me. So who's number four for you? My number four is taste, Shawn. Gibson recently cut by the Jaguars. I have I just think, you know, he's at the center fielder that they they desperately need. He's a guy who played pretty well last year, but wasn't dominant or great has productions kind of declined a little bit last. A couple of years, but still a good football player. Still a clear upgrade over Jalil die still a guy was symbolic skills and some range that I want back there. So I kind of looked at Eric Reid's deal that he signed this off season as as a kind of a cop, but Reid is a better football player. So less years rotation Gibson kind of similar money. I've got three years nineteen and a half million with ten million guaranteed. And I'm looking at a record after a year to just to give yourself an out. But I think it's a minimal guarantee. It's a short. It's a kind of a medium-term deal. Not something that you're really hamstring in yourself. It doesn't work out. But I think you're getting an upgrade you're getting a playmaker back there. And it changes the back end of the defense. So he's a guy who I think, you know, if you're looking at the way, these safety deals are working out right now, you're seeing the top tier guys in that ten to fifteen million dollar range. Lamarcus Joyner is said to assign. For about ten million dollars a year. He's kind of round out the bottom part of the top tier Kenny Vaccaro got about six million a year. He's probably somewhere around the bottom of the second or third tier? So Gibson a little better than Caro. More of a playmaker kind of slotting him in in between Vaccaro and Joyner. And I think that's a good place for him in a good price. And probably somebody the chargers can wait on a little bit as the rest of these top tier guys kind of fall fall to other teams and kind of slot him in for a little bit of a discount. Okay. All right. So give me your number three. My number three is defensive tackle, Sheldon Richardson. Richardson is a guy that I'm really high on. I just think he's an ideal scheme fit. He was again, kind of like Gibson. He was good last year, but not dominant. He's good against the run. He's quick and explosive inside he can play the one tech. You can play the three tech. You can even play basin and elephant packages if you want to. He gets you pass rush. She stops the run. He does everything you want interior linemen to do. I'm kind of looking at that that deal that Maliki Jackson reportedly is going to sign what the eagles something along those lines just to step above what Jackson science. So I'm looking at three years thirty three million with about sixteen or seventeen million dollars guaranteed. He's a guy you probably don't desperately need a Ripcord on. But I'd be looking to give yourself out after your too just because he's getting up there around thirty and he want to kind of protect yourself. But it's not something that you'd be to worry about. I don't think with him because he's been pretty steadily productive throughout his career. So Sheldon Richardson is my number three thought about Sheldon. He didn't make my top five just because of costs in age. But yeah, definitely great scheme fit would would fit in perfectly for the chargers. Number three for me is a popular name. It's haha Clinton Dix from the Redskins, formerly the Redskins. He's a popular name. But the. The reason he's three is because you know, I'm kind of weighing value and price here, and he's going to be a little bit pricey. We talked about we we sell. Landon Collins Tiro, Matthew, the Marcus Joyner all signing these big deals, and I think Clinton Dix is probably going to be the next tier safety or at least at the bottom. Like, right where Joyner signed. He had three interceptions in the last two years five picks and sixteen where he made a Pro Bowl. He's twenty six years old. He might be looking for five year deal. But I think he might have to come down a little bit because he was traded last year. And then when he went to the Redskins. He didn't really do a lot wasn't all that productive. I'd give Clinton Dix a three or four year deal. You're probably looking in the nine million dollar range, eight nine million dollars a little steep. But I mean, if you're taking into account the championship window cock Clinton Dix covering the back end would really improve the chargers defense. So number three for me is ha ha Clinton Dix. So I'll go ahead move onto number two. And number two for me is the defensive tackle. Formerly the eagles is TIMMY Jernigan Jernigan helped spark that Philly d and seventeen during the Super Bowl run. How the back injury in the offseason cost most of that season. But when he returned the playoffs a really made an impact on a Sacco that game you signed a deal which was four year forty eight. Million dollars in Philadelphia lasts offseason. But the eagles cut the quarterly, and they say thirteen million dollars when ended up happening was during the offseason. He had a back injury which didn't happen on the football field. It was just some mysterious back injury that nobody really knew about. And that's when the eagles Rabl to restructure the deal, and they're able to get rid of them this year. But once Jernigan came back man that run defense for the eagles really came back. They averaged only forty one yards on the ground with Jernigan in the middle of that defense, both Chris long and Michael Bennett. We're talking about the whole playoff run was all because Jernigan he really sparked the defense. He brought fire and energy up front. If you're looking for an interior guy who's gonna make the guys round them better kind of like how we all had hoped. Brandon EBay would do in the last couple of years. I think this is your guy he can get after the quarterback to he's only twenty six I think with the back issues there that might kind of scare some teams off. But Jernigan says everything's good. And he looked good when it came back. So he might be looking in the two three year range for a contract. And just so we can prove that the back is all good. I'd give them about eighty eight million. So we're talking three you're twenty million dollars. Give Tim gimme TIMMY Jernigan to play interior and that defensive front. I'm ready to roll, man. I like Jernigan I'm a little worried about the back, but I like him. My number two is actually your number three hawk Clinton Dix. We're in kind of the same ballpark here. I think he's going to command somewhere around ten million. It's probably somewhere right around where lamarcus Joyner wound up. I agree with you. I think he's probably looking for five years. I would personally I would give because he's twenty six I would give him a five year deal. But I would structure it like a three year deal. I get a record after three maybe a second record after four just to give myself some some coverage, but I'm looking at five years someone in the neighborhood of fifty million about twenty eight million guaranteed. I would just go to him and say, hey, look, we love you. This is where we value at. We think we can win title with you and Clinton hod with you and Derwin James ten being tenement safety. Let's go put the put the best safety tantamount there. Let's go get this done. And I think, you know, having having Derwin they're having Melvin Ingram. They're having both of their I think that's a draw for a guy like Dicks who's moved around a little bit might be looking to settle down in a big market where he's appreciated. I think a lot of hymns kind of sliding under the radar is just because he was in Green Bay and you got shipped off to Washington. We're nobody's really watching them last year. He might have more eyeballs on him in L A. And it might be, you know, more of a more of a. A an attractive fit for him. So I would I would go that route five years fifty million Twenty-eight guaranteed. Give yourself out after your three Seaview can get it done kind of structured after that Harrison Smith type deal that Smith signed a couple years ago. Okay. This is it we've both given our to gimme your number one free agent for the chargers this off season. My number one free agent for the chargers is K. Jay Wright, the linebacker from the Seattle Seahawks. Oh, man. Okay. I normally would not go after a guy who's about to be thirty years old and has had some injury issues. But right came back from his injury played a really good game in the playoffs. He is a leader. He can play a both the Sam and the will probably a little better suited to be the will. And I think you can get them on a pretty affordable to your deal because he's probably looking at entering his last his last, quote unquote, big NFL contract, maybe his last contract period. And he might be motivated to prove the. Seattle Seahawks wrong because they didn't offer him a long-term deal when his deal expired. So I see right as the will linebacker playing alongside Denzel Perriman. He's a big guy. Six four to fifty. She's t- easily be the biggest linebacker on the roster. Got the range you can cover. He can defend the Ron he just fits the Bill, and he's familiar with the scheme. So I'm looking at two years seventeen million with nine million guaranteed. Give them a little raise over his last deal kind of structured over the deals Avery Williamson and tomorrow Davis sign the last off season. And you're looking at giving yourself an out after year one just in case, but hopefully, he can hold up for two years and be kind of a central plug in the middle of that defense. So let me talk to you. Then if he's playing will where we where is Kaiser white playing into dozen nineteen I think Kaiser whites going to fill out, I think he can play middle linebacker. Maybe not in two thousand nineteen but as soon as two thousand twenty maybe rotate Kaiser in on dime packages. To give Denzel break and kind of keep those both those guys fresh and easy men. But I really think with his instincts and his range in coverage. I think he can play middle linebacker and be a very good one. Yeah. You know K? Jay, right. Was on my list, and then the charter signed Denzel Perryman, and I was thinking we'll where does he fit and obviously he's an upgrade? But you know with the team as much as they love Perryman. Where would they stick them? So it's interesting that you cagey, right, obviously, great plan would be an instant upgrade for the chargers defense, especially in the middle where they need it. So good one minute number one was your number four stay Shawn Gibson, just because the talent and value of what tashaun brings he might, you know, Clinton Dix might be the better player right now today, but you know, he's one of the better free safeties Gibson is is going to be a bargain free agency. He's got sixty seven pass deflections over his career twenty interceptions. He can really get his hands. Footballs. Major ranges center fielder played sixteen games last three seasons. Never played less than ten. He's durable makes sense too. Because obviously the tide of Gus Bradley when he was the coach of the Jaguars. He brought Gibson to Jacksonville. He's twenty eight. So like, you mentioned I would do like a three maybe four your deal, and I just think tashaun Gipson would absolutely thrive in this defense cleaning up in the back end much like a Clinton Dix would I have three years eighteen million or maybe four twenty four. So we're in the exact same range there for Gibson. And you know, if you're talking six million dollars a year versus ten million dollars for Clinton Dix. You know, what's what's the train out there, you then have some more money to go after some other guys if you do sign Gibson only six million dollars a year. So I think that would be a big bargain. That's why he's my number one with a true talent. And would really propel this defense. All these free agents are great. Let's go go sign one of them. We know you're listening just something. Go do something. All right. The dust is settled they ones over. We're glad you step back and didn't do anything because nobody wants to hand out any of those contracts that happened today. Even with all the good players that happened. I wouldn't give any of those contracts out fourteen million for Tyron, Matthew, really, I don't I don't know. I mean, he's a good player. But no has anybody mentioned he wasn't very good last year. I don't feel like anybody's talking about that. Because I have going back and watch them, and he wasn't all that good. He wasn't the Honey badger from the cardinals. He's from what I saw he's getting paid based on reputation name value for sure I mean, he he wasn't bad. But he is. No, no, no, no, no. He's not the ball hawk that people give him credit for being that. He looked like he was going to be coming out of college. And that he was for the cardinals. Yeah. For sure, but he's versatile. You can move them around. I mean, there's value there. But to be one of the highest paid safeties and league making fourteen million. No, thank you. Yeah. As much as he would have fit with the chargers. Not at that price. I was going to say Trent Brown is probably the worst contract we saw handed out like day of free agency. But Nick foles might actually take that. There was some bad ones today. I mean, foles fifty million guaranteed. Are they bringing Doug Peterson with them? Because if not you're in trouble. Yeah. The raiders made a lot of a lot of hefty moves today that weren't I I wouldn't give Joyner ten million dollars ten million a year. No. I was I was more on the eight seven eight, reg. Yep. Yeah. He that's not worth it. He didn't even I mean, he's not really the ball hawk that people think he is either. So I don't know. No. I don't know what these guys are doing. You know, the Philadelphia Phillies talked about stupid money, I'll offseason when they recording Manny Machado and and Bryce Harper. And I think I think the raiders took that to heart. They threw some stupid money out there today for sure oh, man. Have they ever? So let me ask you if the chargers came out of free agency with having re-signed Adrian Phillips having resigned areas Filon, and let's say for argument's sake, they scientists Shawn Gibson. And k Jay, right? Are you happy? I'm ecstatic. I was happy aftertaste on Gibson throwing K Jay Wright, and I'm ecstatic. Yeah. Of course, I mean, they they have to re sign Phillips and file on. I mean, they unless they can find some upgrade if they're going with like TIMMY Jernigan over file on maybe that makes more sense where Sheldon Richardson or something maybe but getting re-signing agent Philps as a must now with Perryman, especially with the contract knowing that he's not a long-term answer. And then you throw in taste on Gibson and then Heathrow McKay j right? Yeah. Man. I'm ecstatic. Would you be happy if they just signed Asia Philipson dairies Filon, and then some like lower level, you know, like a tight end three. And, you know, another free safety depth. What I'd be. I'd be happy with re- with OB happy that they were able to retain file on Phillips. But I would not be happy with the offseason as a whole. If that was all they did. That makes. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's got to be. I think Filon Phillips is fine. Like, we're talking sea level grade. There's got to be one move just one they got. And I'm not saying like, right? Yeah. I'm not saying Earl Thomas, I'm just saying a move. Yeah. Whether it's a cage as one of these middle. We're not talking Dominic ensue Earl Thomas, I'm just talking, you know, one of these moves at a move the kind of move the needle a little bit more taste on Gibson, TIMMY, Jernigan K. Right. You know, something mid level may show them Richardson. I mean, that's maybe not as big of a name as he was when he first hit free agency. But you know, still still worth a try. Yeah. I mean, even let's say, for example, they wound up resigning there two guys, and they got right Gibson and Henry. Hurson that'd be a hell of an off season. And they can afford to do all that too. I know and they not that I'm endorsing this. But they could afford to do that without cutting Travis Benjamin, I'm not endorsing that. No. I'm just saying. In fact, I'd rather they do that. I mean, I'm endorsing the signings. But I'm not endorsing not cutting Travis Benjamin I wanted to be clear cut Travis Benjamin. Travis Tom Travis. Well, I think that's a good place to start. Tom. Go cut Travis Benjamin. Okay. That'll do it for us. I'm at Garissa see on Twitter, Jamie lightning underscore around. And we will see next time. Thanks, everybody. Everybody. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full. I keep telling you, we're not this forecast is technically a college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. 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Week 1 Recap and Week 2 Preview with Connor Donald

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Week 1 Recap and Week 2 Preview with Connor Donald

"The guys welcome into the fancy in sports podcast. This year host of vague are today. I'm privileged to be joined by Connor. Donald is the content creator for defense freaks contributor for the next year podcasts connor how you doing today. I'm doing great. I just finished recording another podcast with the he always next year podcast group reviewing the eagles game from this past weekend. 'cause I'm a massive eagles fan of course so how `Bout we get in get on into the news in recap of week one her main event today will be a week to preview probably the the waiver wire grabs out of it just 'cause waivers. Zavod process so just talk about recap a week so we have some notable injuries to John tyreek hill is reportedly going to be out for are four to six to eight weeks which is definitely something concerning at Nicole Hardman who drafted almost specifically for that role they walk in so how'd you now evaluate the Kansas City wide receiving corpse while it it's really different now because Atari always such an insane element to to them like I never really big on on Sammy Watkins until will this injury happened last last week last week. Just one big boom week for Sammy Watkins. I mean we get him here and there but I think the biggest by no love people are gonNA get in walk. Walk Ins in going crazy for the hundred and ninety eight yard two touchdown performance city head but I think the biggest replacement there will be Michael Herdman. I mean I really like Michael Hartmann when he was drafted but I kinda thought that he was too much like tyreek hill and so now he gets the opportunity to really really prove himself over the next four day weeks so I think it's it's not as deadly as it was before. I think it kind of hurts mahomes value a little bit but we you know Patrick Mahomes he he will definitely work with what he has. Nicole HARMON DABNEY gets to step up but obviously he was drafted for the sake of a takeover replacement going back to the draft the perception around tyree killed. Dan was that he wasn't going to play this year at least this year for the chiefs or at least be suspended for a while so they wanted a weapon like that to compensate in that was Michael Hartmann but last week in Watkins actually even three-touchdown retouched end so definitely Sao Hai window given his previous history of injuries but he's definitely someone who's in my wide receiver one conversation this we just based on the offense and they're against the raiders so I mean that secondary boy they even lost Jonathan Abram terrible injury for I think the rest of the year so there's definitely weapons said actor as there always are and he I see Michael Harmon being I'm great if waivers are you passed likely roster now but he was a very great pickup at that point so let's let's throw a couple of a hypothetical zero. Who would you rather have rest to season will say tyreek Hill or Marvin Jones. Who've who've had is a tough choice 'cause stafford seems to be fallen in love with Hawkins since so I mean that's a tough call. He still has to go to some receivers. I it's. I honestly think I'd go with tyreek. Hill I think is really dependent on your team in what you have wide receivers go but I I'm GonNa go with tyreek. Hill on this one now. I'd go tyreek there as well Let's just do one more about how how about this we have. Aj Aj Green who is reportedly going to come back sooner than Tyreek Hill. I'd say A. J. Green and John Ross versus tyreek Hill. I would definitely go A. J. Green and John Ross. I mean I could live without genres because I think as soon as they green comes back which they're now saying could be within one two three weeks I would. He's GONNA lose his values again Leeann. I think he's a boom or bust player. Just like a lot of those deep. Plague is a good the Sean Jackson like a Markey's brown stuff. They're they're. They're boomer bus plays. I would definitely take A. J. Green and John Ross simply for Aj the green yeah for me. I think that Jon Ross only really will have a relevant fancy value until age aging comes back. It's mostly just a you have a wide receiver option within that whole stretch of time so for me. Honestly it depends on Ross construction. If you're going for the moon I might actually take tyreek. Hill on their rosters. I have which have a very stack starting lineup. I would take a tyreek hill. Just 'cause I don't know if aged green other than by weeks would be able to crack it but I mean definitely it depends Ross construction but I'd say that for most leagues. Aj Green John Roz would be depicted there so let's move onto nichols and Nick foles his He has has reportedly carbon injury. He's out indefinitely looks like it could be the length of the season her so so on any interest in these Jaguars pass catchers after this as maybe a wide receiver three. Are they all wide receiver foreign below for you. I mean first of all I gotTA say I'm heartbroken by Nick foles. He brought that for Super Bowl to the eagles to see a guy genuinely really good guy like nick foles go down it really hurts to see but on the bright side Gardner men she would does not look like a terrible alternative by it. I think that concerto does hurt the value of the receiving core because we don't know who he's GonNa pick everyone was buying on Dede Westbrook and now it looks like maybe dede in West might not be the favourite lovechild of men's shoe as far as wide receivers go so I think they all pretty much dropped to the wide receiver achiever three for me until we see more of what Gartner men's shoes God and who he prefers because we all know every quarterback starts to Kinda build a report and end up choosing a more favourable target with a turn to most of the time so I think I need to see a couple of weeks of MINHSIU but as soon as fools comes back if he comes back I would definitely go back for Dede Westbrook. I wide receiver too because they had a really strong report going now. I I. I truly don't want any of the Jaguars passing quarterbacks. I mean people are on. Dj Charleston Chris Colony after their massively gwen performances but I I don't know like you said we don't know who Garner Menchu's favorite target is in the offense and if we don't know that it's mostly speculative ads and right now you can get guys who odd take over them like a John Ross Michael Michael Hartmann on waivers so I'd rather much rather have those guys than the speculation on Sundays Jaguars wide receivers. I think ranked the highest as we really don't yeah no what garnered is going to do in his naps but he definitely looked competent as a quarterback which is it's. It's good news because all all that time with Blake Bortles. I mean hopefully Garner Menchu can be at that level or better because worse than Blake bortles would be devastating to a team that already seems to be giving up on offense as they did last year in week one you just saw how that defense it looked very very undisciplined with their fights and they did that notchers while so seventy seven concerning the Jaguars. DST I also I'm a big big. Promise Dreaming Defenses anyways so it doesn't really apply to meteorological listeners out there but the ones who wanted one stable. DST I. I don't think the Jaguars can be that. What about let's move onto dairy. Skies stereotype guys reportedly injured for at least four weeks weeks but I honestly don't know if he will play at all this season and Digrazia. I agree. I mean the news. The news came out today he he actually got the surgery to to fix says meniscus than to take cut some of the meniscus off whatever the surgery is Zor and they say like generally looks at six day. We'd buy me if you're really thinking about it. In the best interest of their the redskins would be just to shut him down. Personally I mean the guy really needs to work on strengthen his knees and build his knees backup or or else. It's just GONNA be like this every single year so I mean I was ready as on twitter right off the bat same pickup Adrian Peterson the trend of Adrian Peterson. Obviously he was the leading rusher last year with over twelve hundred yards for the redskins and the offense is not not good so I think that agent Peterson King carries some really strong probably rb to upside and Chris Thompson for the people going on the speculative speculative add there. I like him but he's not. He's more of a P. Pr Guy. He's GonNa get a ton of receptions a ton of targets by by he's not GonNa really add much to the run game. I think he had three rushes for ten yards this past week and was targeted ten times for six catches in sixty eight yards so I mean really if you're in pierre-louis Chris Thompson really great asset his on he can stay healthy. F- for me. I Have Chris Thompson ranked the I've Chris Johnson ranked. PBR Higher Than Pearson Ferenza season just 'cause one. I feel like Peterson. Definitely Avenue has value he can he definitely has his one of the few backs in the NFL growing rare rare that can get twenty carries per game the whoa you're seeing especially. If you look earlier drafts this year first round you have the guarantees for twenty carries like Saquon you or at least they can get that if games goes right is like saquon like CMC guys like bad but end Zeke but after that it really starts starts to drop off. You don't get those twenty carry game guys. That's definitely part of Pearson's appeal but I just feel like you're going to get a more stable floor with Chris. Thompson and I feel like upside. Honestly is fairly similar. Just given the fact that the redskins offense isn't by any means it isn't within the top half of the League and especially given the negative the negative games groups for Pierce that he will have to face. I think that I'm odd rather have Chris Thompson NPR But yeah Peterson's definitely he definitely has that appeal. I had both of them as ads on the waiver wire this week. He's definitely make owners pretty happy. Yeah I agree. I I may I I own Chris Thompson in a couple of fantasy league's It doesn't hurt the heaven I mean. He's a great alternative. I mean we know case keenum. When he gets under pressure he jaw he chucks down and end. Who's going to be there most of the time. It looks like it'll probably be Chris. Thompson just based off of ten targets this past week alone so he's definitely really really good ad and like you said Adrian Peterson I mean it's GonNa be tough. He's GonNa have a lot of negative game scripts to work with so if you can get a guy who is is getting targeted ten twelve times a game getting four or five carries. You're probably good to get some good flex points. They're probably twelve fifteen sixteen points a week with Thomson Johnson. Eh for sure. I definitely see him. Being able to get a double digits. He points for you on a weekly basis probably gang like a five six seven receptions and how much every yardage that goes with the obviously the touchdown upside isn't the same as it is for appears in but offense offense is pretty much caps them already so next. We have a Joe Mixon. He did not practice. Today did not practice Wednesday after their game last last week. He suffered ankle injury. I believe hand that opens up the door for one week rental of Giovanni Bernard who if he he plays I have him as a high end rb to tread just WANNA check their match up really quick okay so the redskins against bills. There's definitely some against the niners so it's definitely something that could have that game scripting where Bernard either way. He's a pass pass catching back even while mixing was there he is getting some pass catching work so he he's Pretty Games grip independent and indefinitely someone I could see as a very good one week fill in off the waiver wire absolutely yeah. I'd go after Bernard if you're not deep random back if your deep enough that running back there's no point even taking the ad or the speculative ad I want. It's it's pretty much a I mean. It's only if you're desperate spirt if you're impacted by some of these injuries victories guys or Joe Mixon who I still think mixing. We'll get some work It doesn't sound like he's GonNa miss this this week but I mean Bernard still worth the ad if you're impacted by some of these major week one injuries I personally don't think mixim. We'll play honestly ages led. The injury telephoned him missing practice today. Tomorrow is a crucial day if he doesn't practice tomorrow than I am. I am very confident that you won't long play so definitely something to be watching Friday the Friday practices. NFC prices that day so let agree on I mean I'm I'm a bit lore for a on Bernard is far zachos. I wouldn't go higher be too but I mean I like. I said I guess it'd be more of a desperation. flex villain type pick. They're the the basis for the Giovanni Bernard. Thing is one. I think he's pretty talented. They extend his contract five point six million per year for two more for years and last year in two games. I know small sample size but he wasn't those weeks so definitely has that potential. They're so how about we move through the next few days abid fast so coleman is out for a few weeks anything you most are. Mad Brita Data and the speculative Jeff Wilson Junior now really I mean it's GonNa be I mean. I'm really low on the forty niners this year in general I don't really trust the offense all too much. I mean Matt Brady Denies Zadie showing he he can. He can do the job and he can do fairly well L. He beat out Coleman on the unofficial for steps chart so that is definitely potential there mostaert. I mean he's take him. Relieve him kind of play. You'd have to be desperate. Yeah you definitely have to be desperate add moisture moster. I mean he could fill in that the RV to in that offense which means still does produce if you look at that headline offense with Devante Freeman seven golden years past the one thing about that is although it's still call Shanahan one college and as a head coach as good as Cash Anez Lucy into do fourteen hours offense is worse than that. Falcons offense has less touchdown upside and they may not be able to run the ball as much for Brita. It definitely gets a good bump here. Though will all just discuss a few days really fast. Mike Williams has a knee unknown time line there. He probably probably will miss this week. Is what I'm hearing. Homes has sprained ankle. I honestly think you'll be fine. I haven't really heard any reports about him. Missing this week nick so some beneficiaries include Sammy Watkins. We already mentioned Hardman demarcus Robinson. NPR does someone I wanNA spend a bit of time on. Do you think that demarcus Robinson has any value in a deeper leagues especially given Watkins Injury Prone Label. I mean I guess like I. It looks like they're going to split the the tyree kills targets between him and Hardman so I mean I guess the big thing here is is how he's GonNa Produce with those targets if he gets the targets any executes really well. I mean he's definitely worth an in AD and definitely worth a look. I just don't think he he really cracks a whole lot of line ups. I think if you're worried about the engineer Sir thank you should be focus focus more on Michael Hartmann versus the markets Robinson but if they are getting a good fifty fifty split ensured something happened to welcomes. He's a really nice add just to have on the bench on hopefully if you have fairly deep bench but he is definitely a really intriguing options. Pr Goes and the fact that there's as they might split fairly even the tyreek hill targets between Hirdman in Robinson and how deep I'm really talking about is to give perspective in a fancy freaks. Analysts picked him up off the waiver wire. I bid on him as the only are grappling six dollars on him but it was mostly in the speculation to rb to wide receiver for Flax twelve game. PBR fairly benches there so yeah. It's definitely something that unwilling to add him in very deep leagues like that because Walk Ins I mean he is he isn't I'm always on the field as seen pastures. Lenny's on the field very productive but he just doesn't tend to stay there with foot injuries and Hartman. I mean Hartman. It looks like he has a very similar skills that tyreek hill. It says he's also rookie coming in first year on the offense. demarcus Robinson is has been in there for some time is he's worth speculative bad and the rest of the guys are Garner Menchu Peterson Johnson Bernard Brita moisture. Mr Travis Benjamin is someone in deeply consider especially given Mike Williams and the Hunter Henry injuries so our our no. If there's really much talk about about the injuries specifically but staff annoying we should analyse right now about the chargers offense in so how do you perceive that wide receiving corps and that whole offense a general playing out the I mean that's that's heartbreak hunter. Henry Hudson brutal luck over the past couple apple years with injuries and he was supposed to have a big year this year he was someone I drafted. I only had one share of him at my eight leagues so I mean but he had some true breakout potential but I mean I guess for me. I think the biggest beneficiary isn't even listed herein now and that would be Austin. Ecuador is a change of pace dump down guy. I think he's GonNa gain a ton more targets. Any already gets a bunch of them by. I think he's GonNa get a log more. You're with Hunter Henry at as a picture in obviously Keenan Allen is gonNA take up massive boost. If you ended up taking him he he did go a bit deeper in some I'm some redraft leagues so especially with the return of Hunter Henry in with Mike Williams potential breakout so I mean Keenan Allen and and Austin heckler huge beneficiaries. I believe Travis Benjamin take him or leave him definitely not. I'm not add in a Mini Leagues League's. My of my big ADS would be that Jackson obviously will benefit a bit from that as well because that means that equity is going to be going out a law Moore's or receiver achiever whereas Jackson can be more focused in the backfield is runner f Keenan Hi cod this this offseason has been aw this season and offseason has been awful for charters general losing honor Henry after off his tornado. He came back last year he was able to play which every thought was incredible than this year suffers another season ending injury just heartbreaking for men than you also have. Mike Goyim out for some time you have Melvin Gordon hold out mij- this this offense is decimated and Kia now indefinitely sense to gain a whole lot because they don't really have much else. I'm not adding Travis Benjamin yet. I really just want the WHO fills in that wide receiver to roll in Mike Williams will we'll be back fairly soon within the next couple of weeks or so. I think that Alan he's he's moved up in the mid closed his now closer to the higher tier of wide receivers with guys like chooser is backed back could use season-long rankings right now so I think that Cheonan major beneficiary right here and yeah so so how about now let's move onto we probably don't WanNa talk about him but Tony O'Brien sexual assault three allegations of filed against him in a civil suit and his seasons endowed his game. Tuesday is in doubt a whole lies endow right now so what's your perspective Devan Antonio Brown and will do some trade offer a hypothetical trade offers after so I I st- sadly will admit I have ownership of him in a couple redraft leagues and even worse in a Dynasty League which hurts even worse because you invest investigating was a fourth round pick minera initial draft so it still hurts to know you invested so highly in I personally will you won't get into the sexual assault stuff but but I mean I'm personally believe he will play this week. do you. WanNa play on. I definitely have been my lineups if he plays. I guess we'll oh find that Tomorrow will probably be the day that speaks to whether or not he's young play Sunday. I mean I guess your comment in your no dodgers. Don't want him Mama team anymore. the sentiment there for me to you want to speak about a hypothetical trade. honesty mean a guy in this dynasty league. Were talking talk in a Antonio Brown for dairies guys exchange boasts Brunson crazy high risks and then he was GonNa Chuck me. We were GONNA do an exchange of second and third round picks is GonNa get second round picks from him. In the next two years. He was gonNA take my third's in the next two years. So so I mean there was a law going on and then he ended up walking away and you know what it's hard to blame anyone at this point for walking away from Antonio Brand trade negotiations wins but if he plays definitely massive upside any definitely I used to be in your lineup with Tom Brady onto as speaking for a minute to the actual allegations like the report that was filed in pretty horrifying just the details of that report so I mean I think if he plays this week you pretty much have to play him. He's in that offense. He's going to be going to be a great wide receiver in that offense. He's GonNa be someone who's on the fringe of a wide receiver. One wide receiver to a dared the targets gets will greatly diminish the quality of those targets will increase the law especially given the fact that Derek Carr is has been for the past two years a check down quarterback for the most part of a day could definitely rely a bit more on his deep ball. Although Brady admitted isn't as good as like Big Ben on the deep ball by definitely better quality targets better touchdown ops there but yeah thank Governor Brown. I honestly don't think that he will play this year because I I don't think he'll play week too. I think that it reports came out that the the NFL is meeting with the lady affected next week and higher. I feel the commissioners that example is where this could be going and Pantani O'Brien. It's been a rollercoaster for those. Abon them and yells continues yeah. It's a roller coasters in understatement. I mean this is the world's most like like wrench in roller coaster I've ever been on especially in owning him and I I mean I watched him. Drop in a lot of drafts in in redraft leagues in a man I gotta get him this steel and well. You see why was steal well. At this point I mean most people aren't even willing to hazard a a trade offer even talk to you about it by mean like you said if he does get to play the quality of his targets are definitely definitely. GonNa be increased. I guess if he does play I guess the biggest thing to watch who hurts the most on the Patriots side of the ball who I think it'll hurt like expert head who gets minimal targets. It's anyways out of the backfield. That will probably kill him. Julian Edelman niddle hurt and I also always e door set will probably have almost no value anymore. 'CAUSE IT'LL BE Brown. Gordon and Ataman getting all the attention out there in of course Ben Watson back in week five. I I believe so I mean value drops more and more as the season goes on if Brown plays but that's speen as much more disabled Antonio Brown I mean there's a lot more we could say but I think it's best left their up so just for our listeners of one that I am. I must admit as well is asking is. ADP draw obviously before this sexual assault allegations but when I was seeing a draw based on the helmet I was also on that side of trying to drafted by his ADP apologize to any of y'all date. It ended drafting him based on that advice that I I mean I have to own that. That's definitely solving that up taking a downturn in that part Eric but ultimately I mean you can't predict that something like that happen. That's crazy that I think that was the wildest this term. When those allegations came out I was like I expected the other stuff but when that came out of holy that hit me like wow and then then when he saw the texts commode in the story come out while this is bad for sure so as much as we don't WanNa talk about him. allow people have. Tony around the League so let's run through a couple of trade offers here the I got. Let's say let's run the same thing about Marvin Jones Marvin Jones or Antonio Brown recipe season. I think at this point I probably take Marvin Jones. I mean that type of trade offers for his perfect. I think the only trade offer you're actually gonNA give for Antonio. Brown is something where there's equal risk. There's some I'm sort of risk on both sides. That guy was working with the guys Antonio Brown picks. That's a type of trade. You're going to be looking at of risk one like a Tevin Coleman for Vern Antonio Brown. You don't know how long Coleman's for like you'd be looking at something where each is taken a equal risk on it that brand may not play and and the person you might only produce for you. Come playoff time you know kind of like a deal like that on Odyssey so day Antonio Brown probably they're just because I feel like Marvin Jones. You could get a comparable a- comparable guy off a waiver wire in the case of injury the guy ahead of him so I'd probably take Antonio Brown just based on speculative ads. He's definitely the superstar in that trade but yeah I definitely get your point of view. There quickly just mentioned that exam darnold has summoned. Camano is our a few weeks month. Maybe more something completely unexpected. No one really thought this this would happen but based on that will be going to a way to break down after this so we discuss the jets offense there but yeah yeah definitely something shocking and something that has some pretty serious fancy impacts on that and write our has massive fantasy implications implications. I mean I think like I mean you're looking at Trevor Simian stepping in for I mean they say Darnold should be backed by the end of the bye week by mean. Mono I know has the tendency to to really inflame the spleen. So I mean you gotTa keep. Your eyes yet the main concern there for football players spleen and obviously not affecting affecting any infected any of the rest of your teammates so I mean that's that's huge. I mean for me Trevor Semi. I wouldn't add Simeon. I'd stay far far away from a miles away from having a hard time justifying going with any jets player but I still think Jamison crowder remains a positive play their if it goes to Kabeer Super Flex you could look at Simeon but no value for one super toughy. I like like I have not heard time justifying but like I mean I think this hurts. Robbie Anderson 'cause I don't find Simeon overall very accurate deep ball type quarterback so I think there's more benefits you guys are. GonNa play close. Jamison crowder Levy on Belov benefit huge leak is probably gonNA run the ball more than if Sam darnold toys air so I mean you look at those close close range guys slog is running backs time Montgomery might be speculative ad might be some nice pieces his and so much uncertainty as far as like a Robbie Anderson goes and and demers Thomas who also might have been injury that the extent of it. We aren't sure right now so an ad time Montgomery actually going to mention by just did some research Japan Louis so Le Vian bowel was dealing with a shoulder injury but his. Mri shows no major shoulder damage which is definitely some good news there when given the Monitor News on the other end but we don't know if he will play on Friday early on Monday night. It's good that as a Monday night game in one sense because it will give him some time to recover there but now. I don't think there's really any reason to add Montgomery before you may have used for one week filmed by Glaviano play now so let's let's move on. Yeah so let's move on to the week to a preview and I but let's just skip the Thursday night game because by the time I mean this podcast comes out. We already now like what happened there but movie onto Sunday slate we have the cardinals and Ravens. Oh my God Kyla Murray's GonNa come out. We'll see what he is. He looked awful for Three Gorges in that game than look special in the last quarter who so seventy something interesting to keep in mind there any major storylines for you in this game. Now I mean for all the people going crazy about marquees brown brown of been all over twitter on that one is this guy's a boomer bus guy is fire as as the ravens receivers go I mean he literally saw fourteen percent snaps they did he make good on those fourteen percent definitely. Is that something against the weekend. We probably not. God I mean they were up against the Miami Dolphins the literal armpit of the NFL so I mean I guess don't don't sit there if you have really good receivers and add marquees Brown in hopes of that happening again as far as the cardinals offense goes beyond David Johnson Johnson wouldn't really go near it. I mean the Ravens Defense. We know they're tough. Gritty against a team like the cardinals. I don't always expect a fifty nine to ten game by SPEC the Ravens Win and the cardinals out being able to produce a whole ton of offense so nothing crazy storyline wise there for me. I WANNA see how the ray-ban how the ravens offense rebounds after that crazy easy week one where Lamar through five touchdowns and had I believe single-digit rushing yards which is it's definitely the polar opposite of what you would thought with Lamar Jackson there so definitely something. I want to see how the offense will rebound. I think this is your south high window on the barge. Jackson will still be on a QB one this year. I think you'll be a lower end. QB One Bud after his last game. You could find some crazy owners. There's a nearly who will be willing to spend way up for them. As any week one huge coming out party player a yours Minova reactors. There are so have next. We have the chargers in Lyons in this game. I mean charges offense. We already discussed there so anything anything really on the lions point of view that you're interested in. I'm interested to see like what else hawkins brings to the table. If if that was just a week one big big game or if it wasn't or like what like if if he's actually Stafford's finally found tight end that he likes lights in that he can play with because we remember Eric Braun and they couldn't get any chemistry in Hebron leaves has a career year so so I mean I'd like to see if Hodkinson connection remains same with the Ola connection. Danny Amendola got targeted. I believe ten times so I mean I want to see in. Dole is actually going to become a reasonable fantasy option for baby by weeks. Fillings may be a nice flex opportunity if the match ups right which I don't think it is against a depleted chargers defense but the story lines just to see if the consistencies there for Stafford's targets especially Hopkinson for me for me. I I definitely see Hawkins. One BIOTA wants the if Kerryon Johnson is utilized allies in the third down role. I think by now the entire fancy communities accepted that he will not be that workers he will not be even a a strong leader of that committee sure he he may be a leader of that committee but he won't be the lion shareholder there and that's something that the fancy community is pretty much the realize that by now so it's something that I wanna see if he would lease get the passing that work because in the preseason in last game he didn't necessarily C. J. Anderson regardless of the fact that his pass catching skills isn't nearly as good as Carrie Johnson. He's being utilized in that role. Maybe stemming back to carry on Johnson's pre-college during college injury concerns that allowed him to slip a bit in the draft just based on on talent so I'd say that Marian is. AM watching your Kerryon Johnson. I mean that like last week was that was that was hard to watch. I drafted Get one share of Karen Johnson and it was just to see fifth. Bouma is actually there the breakouts actually there so I'm interested to see if he can really carve a more of a of a spot in that offense up next. We have the colds and the titans for me here. I'll just step in a the colts icon. Just WanNa see Airland Mac if you'll continue his dominance and also if how the wide receiving core the titans rebound after funchess broken collarbone. I forgot to mention that during that news a Devin funchess as Berlin call warm will miss the rest of the year so I just WanNa see how that really impacts that offense there yeah. I mean we saw last week that Titans Eaton's defense. I mean if you're really looking for streaming defensive option ear great one this week against the colts. I mean they smothered brands. They looked incredible and our extremely underrated defense so yeah. I'm interested to see who becomes the beneficiary. of the loss of funchess in deceive myeloma. McCain continued because he had a monster game last week now Thursday night football going on just update Kim Nunes looking really good right now seven eighty six yards and he's just come out looking pretty good. They're already in Tampa Bay encouraging purging there so next we have the forty niners on bengals and anything really here that you're super interested in. I don't really really have much them interested. Besides maybe Dante Pettis I guess for the I just Kinda want see what Jimmy's GonNa do with his offense. I he doesn't have a ton of weapons to kill but I mean you gotTa. Kinda hope that that he finds a weapon that he really likes that he can really use and obviously the watch the John Ross. Watch see see if he can have another big game. CV can continue to produce without A. J. Green or am ah John Ross last week. Look really good. It wasn't just that he had that monstrous fancy week. He looked really good on the field. Seven twelve targets looks like it's being gene may be translating this ongoing in the NFL but definitely something. I'm watching just see if he could keep it up for one more week if he can then definitely gonna be someone the react to keep on our fancy radar at least until age agree comes back with new Zack Taylor offense at look so strong last week. It's on my mind and so next we have the Jaguars Texans in this game. I actually have some things that I want to see one of them being jags offense after Garner Meshu who wider stewing quarters but Texans I want to see the running backs a once again. I think that Carlos Hyde last week was was utilized in a way that was a light version of a Lamar Miller role. He was used primarily versus down and then and Johnson came in on third downs. He also came in a bit earlier on in price so I wanna see if there's any more clarity there because both both players are coming into their first season with the team. So I WANNA watch I agree. I think that there's GonNa be a decision that has to be made by the Texans of WHO THEY WANNA keep with Miller next year so it's really important that they they figure that out hide look good Johnson. Look good when given the opportunity and I just want to see how Watson keeps doing 'cause. Watson looked good on Monday night. I WanNa see if that's GonNa Continue. I mean he was drafted high for my liking but I mean if he continues to show that type of performance especially after I mean I guess take with a grain of salt. The saints a secondary's not very good but I mean if Watson can continue to perform like that in the de'andre Hopkins Injury is in anything insignificant. There's ribs than I think he can. He could be due for another big night. I honestly I expect those are not. I oh expect them but I think that Shawn Watson insanely talented in a I thought that he definitely had the potential to do what he did on Monday. Night is is incredible to watch him back and forth to plays for touchdown like that's absolutely insane after saints kick a field goal that ended Texan Saints Game Monday Monday night. It was why we wish. NFL comes back we the week one starts like Dow is absolutely incredible to watch here so next we're going into we need to hurry up a bit just because we're running a bit out of time here so but S- run hurry up offense threes next one's vikings packers anything you especially here. I mean I guess just seeing if what what what was up last week with cousins I mean there was ten pass attempts or something like that so I got you guys see more to kirk cousins you fully guaranteed that man is contract so he you better start showing some production with Dig Zealand. They're yup and abroad. Aaron Jones bounced back game if it will come just Carr's last week there against the bears an MVS who see if he could maintain wide receiver to job at a see if Aaron Rodgers Continues Preferential Treatment Agreement there had a very good off-season in report so next we have the cowboys and Redskins and bear. I really want to see Gallup. Allah Gallup Look Electric last week. I think that Amari Cooper given the inconsistencies he already has gab could be stable option in be biard. Who has that upside as well. Then Gallup was a major winner with this Calamar new offense. So what do you see in the skin so I wanNA anisimov Michael Gallup of couples shares of Amari Cooper so obviously I'd like to see him get more consistent but I think at this point we have to just accept that Amari Harry Cooper is not a consistent wide receiver one. He's a wide receiver one than three than one then at three the inconsistencies probably GonNa follow him forever. I'm also wants to see Chris Thompson. I WANNA see him covered a larger role with that read in that Redskins backfield hours high on him heading into the season and I posted a thread on him in what he's capable of so I wanna see with his guys injury Chris Thompson step up even more for me. I honestly think that this year your may break the mold of Amari Guber league's just 'cause. I've really done a complete one eighty earlier in the off season I want no shares thought that he'd be the same inconsistent option as before but honestly I think he's still will be more inconsistent liking but I feel like he will stable as a bit in this. This new Calamar offense looked very electric. I haven't ranked a lot higher than I did earlier. In the off season so some I wanNA watch and also his planner or fasciitis last week didn't look like factor which is definitely good news there so next we got the seahawks and the steelers storylines here that you're interested then see in that steelers offense hopefully come out to play that was that was scary last week. Connor look bad. Juju look bad a a look good on that steelers offense and I know that there's a ton of people heavily heavily invested Vance McDonald look terrible like really really and it's not GonNa get any easier as far as defenses go because the seahawks to have a really good defense and I also want more from Tyler Lockett Tyler Lockett more or less just said at that believe it was just that one big reception for the touchdown last week with Doug Baldwin gone. It's it's his role is wide receiver number. One in Seattle lose lose so he he's really got to bring a bring his game bring his game and really prove himself me. I honestly would perceive the Patriots Defense to be very good. I think that there are secondary is one of the best in the League spearheaded by Stefan Gilmore Dan. I think that the seahawks defense is actually not very good after they lost obviously they lost their old identity with the beast mode with Richard Sherman with guys like that but I feel like now they can be beat and obviously they got they got JV on cloudy Clowney but their secondary is pretty atrocious right now. Their pass rushes str- is pretty strong but they're secondary's addresses and if there's a place to beat him. I feel like the steelers can expose that with Big Ben with Juju. I have big band poised for a bounce back week here. I WANNA see Tyler Lockett on the side of the seahawks lock. It last year was electric. You could definitely see that. He was a great wide receiver Russell. Russell was not a perfect passer rating passing to him which is incredible but last week had I believe on the one or two receptions for forty or seven in yards and a touchdown so he saved his week with the touchdown but he was double teamed and reportedly. He told reporters that he isn't used to double teams. That really trips them up. So what do you think the rest of the season will bring for him. It's probably going to be more double teams because they all. Have anyone else established there would David Moore injured so next week the bills in the Patriots patriots. We've already covered a B. Okay so don't really want you mean bills in giants. Oh yeah my my bed giants. You WanNa really see high for me. Single Terry is someone I'm interested in single. Jerry Gore backfield just because singled Jerry look like the far better back each of his carries although they're only four gained double digit yardage for seventy yards hotbeds of law more passes. I thought thought you would I believe he has targeted six times in in college caught six receptions final year so Zevon thumbing interesting based on his ask down usage. Yeah I mean the the only real intrusive. There's is definitely Devon singled area. I was really high on them when they said they were. GonNa go running back by committee really know what to think but it's clear where that the direction the committee is leaning their bills are really high on single result wants on Seymour from him and John Brown. I WANNA see more from John Brennan. I think Josh Allen loves him as a target and I think John Brown is going to have a massive season at that'd be been fortunate because I on zero shares of him. the entire buffalo a wide receiving corps that Josh Allen wasn't going to be conducive to a stable fancy option but last last week definitely look great for them naked mind. I'm watching that game next. We have the Patriots Dolphins Patriots. We already discovered discussing a lot about that with the wide receiving core but let's let's say if a bee plays who do you perceive. We'll take the biggest hit to their stock. I'm GonNa go with Julian Edelman. I believe I may I say Philip store separate. Them really have much value anyways in my opinion so I'm GonNa go Julian Edelman Josh Gordon is your your beat him with speed and get down the field tight boomer bus player whereas Antonio Brown is that guy who you so it up and he's GonNa go up there and he's going to get that ball income down with it. Aside then let's go her Julian Edelman the most because Brady's GonNa try and work the ball down the field versus. Keep it close if he's able have Josh Gordon Enin Tonio Brown wreaking havoc if they're after me this struggled with the law I feel like I feel like it's going to be either adamant or white who take the grace hit because I feel like both them are used more in the shorter game. Both obviously onscreen passes running routes a towards the middle of Join Ataman isn't really known for his play prowess slot receiver runs fairly short routes and I feel like with a become in some of that. Those targets are going to go away so I feel like one of the two or maybe both as well. I definitely think that both of them take a hit by it. Feel like one of them will prove to take a larger it and will not be as valuable for fantasy there something interesting. I WANNA see Sony Michelle Michelle last week. Look Awful fifteen carries fourteen yards rex burkhead got so much run in that game. I think like a double digit touches had a close a hundred yards outside so he looked very nice in that game. There's some I WANNA watch and end magazine got. The chiefs raiders for me on the chief sided who fills in the role tyreek hill thing that that's common for both comments. Probably the chiefs are running game because everyone in the industry isn't interested in that but besides those two anything you on C. N. also to the running backs. Who Do you think will end up being the most valuable for fancy rests this season McCoy or Damian Williams or Daren Thomas I'm GONNA go oh. I'm GONNA say that can be McCoy. I mean Williams definitely produces. I think Williams could be a really good option tyreek. Hill L. because he's able to make the plays as a backfield fuel catching the ball so he'll probably be dropped to a bit more if Patrick mahomes gets in trouble and camp find at target some going to but but I'm gonNA still stick with McCoy because he's GonNa give you that power. Run is clearly show last week. He's still he's useful. thirty two year older thirty-three-year-old runningback so. I'm definitely going to go with Lucia McCoy. I was very high Damian Williams from the beginning so I I mean I mean I don't. I don't want to want see him not perform because I was low on him but as far as the in other storylines storylines go definitely the raiders seeing if down waller Terrell Williams continued to be the number one targets their car in seeing if they're gonNA put up consistent numbers. He's weakened and we get in Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs put up a really good game on Monday night and I think he's GonNa be the back that the raiders saw when they drafted and the back the people's thought should be the only firstrand drafted back so I really am hoping Jacobs kwbz continues to perform at the level for the raiders as well some. AM watching I WANNA see out that Ryan Brian backorder break silent especially given the fact that they're gonNA be down in this game by a decent amount. We won't see Joan restarted will get that passing down work come in but if Jacobs proves to be the that every down workers has a law devalue their although it's on not so desirable offense made made it trae base is on the south high of Josh Jacobs last week send Josh Jacobs Plus James White also predicate on ABC's situation for for Alvin Kamara in Christian Kirk in redraft league so pretty happy about that one wanted done running back there so yeah next we got the saints. The rams should be really great game. Just pure football is used to the heavy hitters in the NFC. We saw the saints last week off their thriller her this time we also want talk girly and is usage in the rams offense. Oh anything outs you really WANNA look at their Naimey we need. I was left a little concerned with tall girly from after week one so kinda hoping to see a little bit more there because I think that he can still produce in the he has no no restrictions so hopefully he can definitely start performing again and be in that top ten back. We know The saints now much to see there. You know what gone with the players out there so i. I'm just excited to see a good old. Offensive Slugfest share one thing I'd probably add is I wanNA see Latavius. Murray's versus Kamaruddin the red zone. This was something IRAS pretty concerned about in the off season. Obviously this is relative like Kamera was still a before afford. The key was the top three Ryan back for me before after Zeke is top four running back from me but I'd say that I was concerned about the Davis Maria gangs things on the red zone were red zone work because in the past we've seen Latavius Murray be one the best running backs in the red zone in the NFL based on usage. It was Kamara so I thought that they may cap each other's outside but Kamara got so many more snaps last week so I think that even with some touchdown on regression that I believe will be coming for him. He will get additional catches additional carries there so that's something nice to see based on week one now now we got the bears the Broncos so for meals. I don't really see anything that I really really want to see here. I mean I I want to see to recon versus Anthony Miller when Anthony Miller back because Cohen the last game he was exclusive. We a wide receiver a outside of the first play that was called back on a penalty he was there slot receiver that game ain't and Anthony Miller put up a big zero so if Miller comes back could be something concerning for seven. So what do you think about this backfield. Yeah I mean I just I don't trust Matt Nagy I mean I don't think he knows what he's doing. When it comes to their backfield I mean I think to Rico indefinitely carries gary some some good value Pierre value because he gets targeted abundant. It's clear he's GonNa continue to be targeted but I mean the David Montgomery show show that everyone's so excited for last week just didn't happen be the the Green Bay defense and and they're supposedly really good by adjusting interesting see a really good well cold game from Matt Nagy he added he might Davidson their way too much for my likened and it really hurt Montgomery's Montgomery's value so I kinda want see what we can get with David Montgomery because I wanted my eagles draft David Montgomery. We Will Mile Sanders so I mean I'd like to see the F. Montgomery has to show we know what might Davis's we know he's GonNa get averaging one and a half yards every time he gets the ball in sands so I really wants to see what there is in Montgomery there now we have the eagles in the Falcons and here Mal Sanders during our that think that's the obvious one the anything outside of that you're interested in. I mean I guess for me the rebound by the Falcons I mean I'm an eagles fan but I do have vested did interest in Calvin greatly and Julio Jones in some leagues so I'm really kind of interested to see how they rebound and hopefully they can turn that offense Ram because they looked it was pretty good but I mean I think they can do better especially devante freeman to thank Freeman. There's so how many people were hired him. So many people invested in any at a pretty rough go last week so hopefully the the offense can turn it around. I mean it is up against is an eagles secondary. That is really not that good so I mean if you got rid leanna Jones owner would definitely be sticking them in there because if you watch the eagles their cornerbacks playboy ten yards off so there could be a lot of value in the receivers they're even Muhammed's lastly we have the browns and the jets fitting that this is our last one because the jets we definitely have to discuss discuss their wide receiving corps after the after the Sam darnold news but it's something that the browns can definitely hope to rebound from last week. I think that the browns are gonNA come out with a vengeance win. This game pre convincingly ear. So what what do you think about the browns offense and then we could talk about the jets after I think the browns offense has a lot of personality than I mean I think that could end up coming out and shine out in a pitfall in some games by I mean they're they've really really good offense on paper. It's an offense that could easily easily easily win them twelve or thirteen games but at the end of the day were tumbled to Cleveland browns so F- from a realistic standpoint that's not gonNA happen and but I mean I love like like Nick Chubb I don't like Jerry Sandra now high on land but I do like Higgins at question. Higgins is definitely gonNA Atlanta's targets the joke on pretty high on the joke who I think he's got a lot of potential rising really high end top top ten tight end option and always the OB J you you can't say anything bad about ob Jay. He's a beast you so the ball to him. He's going good the ball he's is. GonNa Create. He's GonNa make yards create yards to make plays so I mean I love the offense and it could easily basically if they were anywhere where's but Cleveland for some reason it's something about Cleveland. They could probably win twelve or thirteen games in be putting up like fifty points tonight but there's some about Cleveland apparently Aaron Lee the just just doesn't work and that defense to that defenses a lot better than everyone gives them credit for goodness a defense while this year given they're pretty easy early egil in week one. I mean it proved to be bad. We wanted but on paper. The Times ends often shouldn't have been very good. There's salon is I started as streamer law different leagues but now we have the jets the fallout from Sam darnold old specifically to wide receivers. Who Do you think is there any change you perceive in target share. His Jamison crowder still going to be a massive sub. Targets are obviously nod targets it will get close to double digit target range or is he like a loser based on the darnold. Amano WANNA injury yeah. I'm I'm really high on Jamison crowder and I don't believe it's just a Sam. Darnold loves them thing. I think he is generally as fairly high autumn when he was even in Washington. A lot of people laughed at me by mean we have to remember is only a couple years removed from heaven a year. He had eight hundred yards or or nine hundred yards he he he's not a bad receiver. He was just in a bad situation so I mean I'm. I'm still high nonetheless. I think he will get closer. Double digit targets targets series the gentleman football in like eight ten months so I mean I'm interested there. 'cause I think like like I think the Valley I think that this injury hurts hurts. Robbie Anderson more and I think it helps the value of a Jamison crowder a law more in Levy beyond belly goes same before so I'd still be invested in Jamison crowder and put it in a minute a flex option because I still think he's GonNa see the targets. Were on same rampage there. I think crowder still going to be the target hog. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #189: Chargers Lose Derwin James, Add Dontrelle Inman

Bolts from the Blue

48:05 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #189: Chargers Lose Derwin James, Add Dontrelle Inman

"In this is the lightning round podcast with your host garrett says the n. jamie oil charges. Go welcome back to the lightning round podcast. I am at garrison. Jamie is at lightning underscore round. We're covering storylines from the chargers lost the saints in game two of the preseason but first we're gonna roll through these donations and then we'll talk about all the news including dontrelle inman german james injury the and then we'll cover that game so first off a special thank you to antonio stevens another big. Thank you to michael flora's who says great job guys on the podcast podcast. Hopefully this helps the beer fund wish i could do more next up is william boylston. He says beers on me. Get well soon. Derwin couldn't be more true absolutely early and finally preston walker who says here's to another nail biting season and he actually asked the question he says question for you guys after preseason game into what are you more worried about and less worried about than before. The preseason started okay. We'll go back and forth on this so we can start with more worried about and i'm not even sure this. This is possible but i'm more worried about the offensive line than i even thought was even remotely possible. It was just a shit show in game two. It wasn't good in game one and i know they're talking a lot of these guys and they're excited about the five they have but we talked about in the off season. There are russell kun injury away from a disaster astor and we're kind of seeing it now in the preseason so i'm more worried about this offensive line than any group really yeah. The offensive line has to be concerning. We're going to get into it more indepth <hes> when we get indoors storylines here in a few minutes but <hes> i mean the tackles are terrible. I am i'll expand on this a little bit later in my opinion. I think what we're starting to see is. I think they're starting to become targets. <hes> i think officials are expecting to see offensive linemen run right by offensive lineman defensive lineman right by these guys and create pressure and when they actually get their hands on somebody and actually make a good block getting called for holding because nobody expects actually do their job so i think that's a little concerning <hes> and there's you know they're having issues with pass protection picking up blitzes <hes> they're missing blocks running running game on third and fourth in short <hes>. There's all kinds of issues. It just seemed like guys don't know their assignments are uncomfortable with their assignments or can't carry their assignments out and and it's it's scary right now and i'll add the special teams hasn't been all that great either during the preseason <hes> kind of a group. That was a little bit exciting last year. I got some good returns earns from desert king but i know they got the t._d. In new orleans or against new orleans but this special teams man with all these penalties. It's like you expect them to get one each time. The balls pundit or kicked off and it's just been sloppy through two games so they've been horrendous so maybe close second special teams yeah you know i i think i think a lot of that also has to do with you know. They're obviously cycling a lot of rookies. The undrafted free agents through the special teams right now even with the first team. They're giving guys a chance to see if they can stick and expect some of that sloppiness but it's been so sloppy. That's pretty alarming so hopefully they can straighten that out so talk to me about your less worried about. What's one thing that you were less worried about going into the season. <hes> i would say one position that i am less worried about just based on where they are. In terms of the competition petition is i wasn't sure what to expect from race on jenkins going into the going into the preseason knowing he was going to be in the lead for snaps at least when camp started and really not having anybody to push him <hes> you know i was at the game on sunday and you know it seemed like he was covering a lot of ground made a couple of nights tackles. <hes> i got his hands ends on a couple of passes. He seems like he's moving a lot better and covering a lot more ground and making much faster reads and we we obviously know he can tackle so. He seems like he might be nice. Another one of those nice interchangeable fits back there and safety where he can play. Maybe a little strong safety play little free safety but certainly handle that deep center field and maybe we do a pretty good job doing it. Pick a different answer than you. I guess linebackers. I wasn't quite sure how would that. I'll would turn out. We haven't seen thomas davis but kaiser white look like an animal on sunday. Drew tranquil made some plays in the preseason janitor. Whoa sue has had a strong preseason and got banged up and game but he's also so been more valeo than a sam but denzel perryman playing little rusty but got that big hit on a fumble so through two preseason games not so bad of course i'm leaving out nick designer because that would drag the whole gray down but for now. I'm not as worried about the linebackers going in the season yeah. I think that's fair. I think there's a group they played pretty well and you seen some ascension from some of the guys that were kind of in the middle or bottom of the depth chart last year and it's really nice to have kaiser kaiser white back healthy because that's a guy who i think can do a lot of damage as middle linebacker in this in this defense if the guys in front of them hold up yeah all right so let's go talk about a couple of things before we break down this game against the saints and first off <hes> right before we recorded this podcast the chargers announced that they released the long long time long snapper mike win and they ended up signing the old veteran dontrelle inman the wide receiver to add to this <hes> receiving corps yeah. It was a little surprising to see them. Let go of mike went who has been with the team for ten years and was really the only part of the field goal unit that they didn't seemed to have any interest in examining with with any real you know vigor <hes> last last year when they're having all those issues with sturgis kicking missing kicks <hes> seemed like they were just dug in and he was not the problem and they were gonna they were gonna blame it on the holder or the kicker whatever they do to protect him and they brought in cole mazda in march a guy who was one of the top long snapper is in the af <hes> last year and it seems like they've. They've decided that mazas their guy you know he's i guess. They feel like he's playing well. He's obviously less expensive than ben so little surprising to see them cut at this stage of the pre season but i guess they figured they give them a chance to find a job somewhere else <hes> and then bringing back in again a little surprising <hes> in just in the sense that you know they decided he didn't fit what two years ago and traded him away and now they bring him back. It makes some sense when you look at the wide receiver depth chart and lack doc experience behind alan benjamin williams which is something that we've talked about on the show on more than one occasion <hes> in. I like bringing him back. I think he'll push the young guys. He'll probably push one of them off the roster. He sees he's just an easy guy to root for. You know he works hard. He hopefully contribute on special teams and <hes> sta a couple kind of surprising moves that might help round out the depth chart a little bit yeah. We're going into the season. It seemed like dylan. Cantrell would be that guy that we compete with those arteta's scott and jimmy davis and of course his injury happened and so once he was gone. There wasn't any competition. We talked about last podcasts that those five five wide receivers were locked in with keenan allen. When mike williams travis benjamin tavis gotten jeremy davis and i know andrea patent had a pretty good game which i'm sure we'll get to a little bit here but they didn't have any real competition in for that wide receiver four or five or even travis benjamin for that matter for wide receiver three. He definitely deserves some competition so incomes dontrelle inman who obviously has the chemistry with playing in the system playing with philip rivers. I guess they're texting back and forth so rivers obviously wanted him in that group and we'll see you you know we've all expected arteta scott jeremy davis to make that leap and you know maybe earn some snaps going into the season but so far through two preseason games. They've just been all right. Nothing really write home about so far thought or teams got. We make a little bit more noise on special teams. He might be the guy leading jeremy davis at this point maybe because he's got a special teams value but right now. There's going to be a real competition. Who's going to be that last wide receiver you assume that alan williams benjamin and now in minner probably locked in with the four they could obviously cut him and if it doesn't work out but for right now in the fourth of and then you've got arteta's scott and jimmy davis for that fifth wide receiver yeah you know you mentioned special teams value with scott doesn't sound like he's gonna wind up returning kicks during the regular season but davis is one of their a key coverage guys so it'll be interesting to see how things shake out you just kind of look at the roster and you look at mike williams and you look at inman you know do they really. We need another big receiver. In jeremy davis are they better off kind of getting a guy kind of play in the slot and a little smaller and shift ear. Maybe can create some yard <hes> yards after catch so so. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out especially considering. I thought the younger receivers looked much better on sunday than they did in the first preseason game so so the timing of it. It's a little questionable but <hes> you know we'll see. I think competition is always good whether it's travis benjamin jeremy davis or arteta's scott and i think the truth is is the chargers looked at their chart and realized maybe we can't rely on our table scott. Maybe we can't rely on jeremy davis so <hes> <hes> kudos to them for realizing that and we'll see if he just winds up pushing guys to work harder or if he winds up stealing one of those last two spots yeah and you know i guests <hes> it upgrades the wide receiver depth for sure <hes> you know maybe maybe he does push travis benjamin for wide receiver three. We'll see there's definitely competition there now so oh they've got two more preseason games. We'll see how this all shakes out and onto some bad news and that is since last time we spoke charge took a pretty hefty blow losing safety defeat number derwyn james. He injured his foot during during practices with the saints after celebrating interception. I don't know if you saw that video jamie but i did stupid. I mean not not not that. He was celebrating but he was just jogging. You know it wasn't like he was jumping up and down or doing backflips raining down he was just running with us just run in with his group and in an upcoming up lame and so on thursday derwin is going to be headed for surgery north carolina where they're going to remove a screw foot that kind of got bent last week during james is expected to be out three to four months. Yeah obviously a big loss. I mean you really can't replace a guy like derwin james he is he does so much for that defense from playing safety to play linebacker slot corner outside corner even on some defensive end. He's a great pass rusher. He really does it all in a way that very few safeties can so very difficult to replace him but i feel like they've got a pretty good safety group and once they start getting guys jaylen watkins and zero back though they'll have some options and it it seems like just based on the way they rotated guys last on sunday after german got hurt <hes> seems like you know you're probably looking at adrian phillips being the quote unquote starting strong safety and playing with the base defense and then rotating down in his familiar dime linebacker position <hes> in the dime packages and having a jaylen watkins or maybe a an alley or even maybe a <hes> <hes> rodrick teamer coming in and replacing him at the strong safety position so lots of options. I feel like you know once you get over the initial shock of losing derwin and everything he does you look at the guy like phillips in the year he had last year and granted. You can't necessarily count on him to do everything last year but i feel like phillips is a decent replacement. He does enough of the things that that james does that. You feel comfortable with him. Back there certainly with the base defense and you know he's going to be on the field playing that hat dime linebacker role anyway so <hes> i just think that they can they can get enough out of phillips and then rotate him with two or three other guys to not replace james but at least feel comfortable that they don't have a massive hole back there and maybe get some solid production out of three guys to do. What james did yeah no. They got really lucky. Rescinding adrian phillips in having this shakeout the way it did have a guy as versatile as adrian phillips's to play strong safety and a play that nickel linebacker and so there's a lot of different things that he can do in like you mentioned. You can't replace derwin james. You know the defenses obviously better with their when there's no debating that app but it doesn't take a massive dip like it would in a lot of other different position groups on this roster for the chargers. They got lucky that they have a guy like adrian. Phillips who can fill strong safety safeties still be that linebacker depth and then a lot of guys in the preseason making some plays. We'll talk about him. Jaylen watkins and guy you mentioned rodrick. Team are also making play so you know that means now that darwin's out. There's a safety spot open. Maybe even two depending on how these to play and we'll see how this all shakes out. It seems like we might be looking at a hunter henry situation like we did last year in that you know derwin has a chance to be back during the season and i don't know what recovery it's three to four months but you know every place different different but it seems like that returned time at worst as towards the end of that season and so you know we might see where he comes back towards the end of that year or into the playoffs henry. We might see that you know from week thirteen on willie play this week. They play this week. He's starting to get there. He's trying to get there so we'll. We'll see how this all works out. If the charges get to the playoffs is another matter but for the majority of the season durham james will not be on the chargers roster he will and there's probably a pretty good chance that if he does come back he will be somewhat limited not himself. Maybe not as explosive still trying to get back to trusting his foot so that kind of were that's kind of where it plays into that. You know hunter henry situation. Where maybe it doesn't pay to play him. If you've got two or three guys filling his role well enough that you don't want to rush come out and risk hurting him so we'll see what happens i mean you know if he gets if he's able to get healthy and he he recovers quickly and he's back at one hundred percent then certainly one of out there but if he's going to be out there at eighty percent seventy five percent just because you want out there you know maybe maybe you decide to hold off on that and give them a full offseason to recover. There's no two ways about it. It sucks that you lose james but then like you mentioned once you kind of get over the shock of it you realize that fills nicely and they won't take a massive dip in that and that's that's still good for the defense because they're going to be carrying this team in two thousand nine hundred and so. Let's go ahead and talk about this second preseason game like last week week. Jamie divvied up the different sides of the ball last week. I did offense. We're going to switch and jimmy d defense. Special teams will trade all defense special teams james. He's gonna do offense so gimme storyline from the game on sunday. Well we kind of hinted at it earlier. I think the first storyline and as much as you don't wanna go negative right out off the top the first orlando has to be the offensive line <hes> because they suck the tackles in particular are really bad <hes> <hes> you know just get to the point where those tackles are getting collapse into the pocket within a second or two of the ball being snapped. They're not getting their hands on people boulder whipping blocks in the running game when they do get their hands on people they're being called for holding <hes> tevi and scott and pipkins in particular were awful awful on sunday. There were several plays where pipkins just flat out with blocks. <hes> scott getting getting called for holding on the backside running plays because he can't keep his guy in front of him. It seemed like every passing down both heavy and scott were chasing their men down from behind or you know hanging onto them like like hanging from them like a cape or something just kind of debt blowing in the wind trying to try and hang on so <hes> those guys are awful i did i think the the interior of the offensive line will they started off poorly. It seemed like they kind of got their legs under him and they started to figure things out after the first couple of drives <hes> still oh couple mr simmons. It still seems like guys a little confused. A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that you've got fini out there. Learning how to play center on the fly and pouncey is not out out there you gotta figure he'd be picking up on a lot of those blitzes if he was out. There would mike pouncey but you know they're they're not. They're not recognizing being <hes> blitzes. They're not shifting protections. They're missing blocks are holding <hes> the the the third one and fourth in one on the first dr scott miss two block on that on that series <hes> got to be fair forced lamp also with the block on the third down it might have been the fourth down but he got right inside of him when he tried to chase him down from behind <hes> just a lot of problems a lot of stuff to be cleaned up and there's no real solution you can't throw pipkins out there right now so they're stuck with heavy and scott at <hes> at the tackle positions unless they can go out and make a move and bring bringing a veteran two or three. I mean they can't be they can't be comfortable looking at that group right now. They just can't they can't be comfortable looking at that group and thinking that oh we're fine fine especially when you look and you realize that pickens is your number three tackle right now. That's kind of scary. He went into the season. He was supposed to be tackled for like a deep upswing tackle so he could sit on the bench. Now you're looking at it and it seems like there's a pretty good chance he's going to see the field at some point this season and that's terrifying yeah. No those tackles were off when when i am calling it a shit show earlier was was just referring to these tackles because you know we're pretty good. Scofield was all right at the beginning. I thought fenian lamp we're much better towards the end of that game nor has game went on but man those tackles were just so bad samten in particular i did. I didn't like anything he did. On sunday and trip kansas just still continuing to struggle. He did it in game one game two. They were talking him up so much in the preseason and i don't know if they were kind of setting them up a little bit. Maybe getting a little excited about them and so this is a bigger letdown. I don't know but pickens has just been awful and tabby hasn't been any better and when they cut mike win. You're thinking oh maybe they're bringing another office of line because make sense in your head that after the showing on sunday if any the group needed some more depth it was those tackles and to bring in another wide receiver after guy like andrei patent had a game he did a little suspect but regardless it seems like anti trusts in his offensive line and those five guys and that offensive line coach and i just i don't get it yeah. None of it makes sense. They really didn't have a plan obviously in case of a catastrophic injury <hes> going into the season and showing and <hes> you you know there's not much else you can say. They're bad <hes> the chances of them getting a whole lot. Better are probably slim <hes>. I just seemed like i mean those tackles. Ios manages seem like they're reaching and grabbing and lunging on every play giving up pressure to the inside getting beat around the outside getting bull rushed. They just have no answer. There's no the anchor there. There's no footwork there and pipkins. I mean he's getting you know. Fork lifted by linebackers carried back into the pocket <hes>. He looks like he's terrified and intimidated. The footwork team talked about just does not seem to be there. I know he's athletic. He had one or two blocks where he looked. Okay okay out in space in the running game but man past protections a problem so i do think the interior the line will be pretty good be it'll. It'll be interesting to see if they go with fini or lamp guard. It seems like right now. The way things are going. It's probably going to be phoenix because the only time we see lamp at left. Guard is when feeney's playing center so it seems like feeney's gonna wind up winning that job maybe lamp will have to earn his way in or maybe they'll rotate them <hes> but <hes>. I'm not as worried about the interior as i am. The edges the big problem yeah especially when you start to think about these pass rushers in the a._f._c. west and when the game start mattering so we'll go ahead and move on a defense and i just want to lump two guys in and i kind of mentioned him a little bit earlier but we'll talk about kaiser white new wosa because they have some really good place early on in that a game on the saints i drive 'cause you're white how to tackle for loss on latavius murray's re hyphen in the backfield stuck them in the backfield on the next play benzine the edge you almost got the sack and bridgewater fires to throw this off line and that's a throw that brayshaw jenkins agai you mentioned earlier almost had that interception where it seemed like he had it in his fingertips for good good six seconds that's holding running the sideline almost cradling his fingertips and then it falls to the ground i thought he was gonna interception and then the very next drive is is your white sniffs out a pass out in the flat. Zach line ends up closing minimal game. Two plays later on a third nate. Kaiser white is in zone bridgewater's forces stepped in the pocket doc it kaiser white reason bridgewater looks to go run as kyw's years closing bridgewater bales decides to throw it and it's an errant throw it goes over the receiver receiver and so because you're white had an effect on two of those three plays on that dr chen woes who had a big hit on third down on the saints first possession of the half and you know they were both all all over the field the real news now is the new oh soo injury because after the third quarter touchdown he was rushing off the right side died and he just kind of came up lame a little bit and after that he had his abdomen wrapped up he didn't return so hopefully who's going to be good to go soon now. I anti lynch said he was a little bit sore today so we'll see he didn't rule out him playing or at least practicing this week so <hes> you know i guess it's he was a little murky on his injury status. Yeah both those guys are great. <hes> kaiser white just looked so instinctive at middle linebacker aggressive. He had a great run stop where he threw the line. <hes> got a tackle for loss. He seemed like he was everywhere. Sideline to sideline coming downhill. He looked absolutely fantastic and new. Oh soo looks like a completely different player this preseason now some of that's been against backup offensive lineman but he look explosive off the edge. There's a lot of ben there. He it looks really good playing with his hand in the dirt to the point that you almost wonder if they're going to bother playing him at sam. Maybe maybe we get to see your white at sam. If paramount winds up in the middle it'll linebacker job because you gotta feel like paran and white and thomas davis or the three best linebackers on the roster right now so <hes> just really good to see the development in new oh soo he's developing counters. He's getting around the edge in a hurry he just he looks like one of the chargers best defenders and he's we know he's a backup defensive end right now covering from melvin ingram basically so exciting to see that both those guys playing really well yeah no definitely ari right. Go ahead and give me another story line from the offense. <hes> i'll go with a positive at least in terms of a positive performance even if it might hurt us to admit it. I think you know where i'm going. You know we. We've been very critical of jones basically since he got here he's he's l- lost for most of his time here in the preseason. He actually looked somewhat under control. He was making good reeds made some good throws. He had a couple that were a little high but there the receivers were able to pull them in and outside of holding the ball to a couple of times. <hes> cartel looked as good as he's looked basically since he got here in two thousand seventeen anthony leads said as much <hes> you know after the game it was one of those first comments he couldn't wait to say talk about how good cartel jones looked how was his best game as a charger and how you can see the benefits of him spending three years in the same system. It's finally starting to pay off so the ah the bright side of that is obviously cartel. He played very well. The team likes him for whatever reason and they're excited to see him perform well <hes> the downside of that is for those also view <hes> eastern stick fans who did not play well it seems like stick lost some major ground carl jones and again jones and was the second quarterback to come on the field not stick after his performance last week kind of gives you an idea of where stick is and the competition right now so kudos the jones for playing well and oh shit. They're gonna keep three quarterbacks and jones and the third quarterback yet again. He very well could be which is a scary thought but you know i hate to admit it but he seemed like the best chargers quarterback on the field on sunday he played better than in my opinion you play they better than tyrod in eastern stick. I think that dr after the jaylen watkins interception where he drove from inside their ten their own the to all the away down the touchdown marshon all the way down the field to an easy pitch and catched andrea pat and i mean it was methodical. We would have been raving about it if suzy's and stick. Maybe a little bit more excitement in my voice if it was easing stick but you know. I guess he's not dead yet. We'll see what happens in game three and four but i still have a hard time believing that they'll cut eastern. Stick spending a fifth round pick on him four guy cardo jones but we'll see i mean cartels definitely closing in. It's no longer like last week. Just get cordell and don't even let him catch the bus ride home to oh shit. There's an national competition to kiwi three now to encarta jones in eastern stink and joe's might be the third quarterback so god. We'll see man two more games and hopefully houston stick shows up yeah. I mean that drive. You mentioned <hes> after watkins. Pick was phenomenal. I mean starting on the two <hes>. There's a penalty that they overcame he. He took a massive hit on. I think a second or third down throw to culkin to convert a first down and extend the dr <hes> the play that he made the throw that he made to <hes> andre patent for the touchdown was a perfect read with the saints and zero coverage <hes> no safety deep and he just threw it out through it out in front. The patent run out running catch. It was perfect <hes>. He even had a solid drive on his next drive. It's stalled on what i thought. Were a couple of bad calls. There was a face mask. Call against <hes> newsom that was garbage. It was stiff arnold's off it was brutal and then they also called cartel for for a an intentional grounding penalty down in the red zone which was awful because there was a receiver in the area and yeah he overthrew him but that's the the whole point is there is a guy there and he threw it over his head and they just missed it and it seemed like the saints talk them into that penalty. Because it was such a late call it was brutal and and that was really the one the one questionable play that card l. made and it was the right decision the right read and he got penalized for it so kind of unfair for cartel as much as i don't wanna stick up for him it was kind of unfair for cordell and he played really well and he deserves all the credit. He's getting since the game yeah no definitely he played a great game so switching off offense and back to defense want to talk about the undrafted free agent roger teamer. Who's the guy you mentioned. Team replayed the most special team snaps and the most defensive stamps of any chargers on sunday on defense. He plays seventy seven percent of the snap on defense forty eight percent stamps on special teams according to pro football focus he had twenty one snaps coming at linebacker nineteen th slack corner six on the d. line three three at free safety so he was the derwin james of that game too. If you will of the preseason he played everywhere he was tied for the most tackles on the team was six recorded half a sack three defensive stops he was impressive as a defender and on special teams he made a really clean tackle with tyler newsom putting out of the chargers end zone and on return for no gain which was really good jaylen watkins had the interception on the tip pass like we mentioned second quarter which reminds me daniel popper had mentioned that that was a year to the day where j watkins tours a._c._l. So that's a pretty cool sarry store at interception that day but this battle now between jaylen watkins roger teamer her for that for safety spot with james is now starting to heat up and maybe you make a case for keeping four jaylen watkins has some experience at both free safety strong safety. He also special teams value. Roger teamers got some real special teams value clearly. I think he was one of the best special teams player in game one. I thought he was one of the better special teams player in a week to outside of tremaine pope and his big t._v. Of course his return touchdown but teamer has been great and coverage <hes> on special teams so i think roger teamer is really really close to making the fifty three and he might continue that you'd e._f._a. Streak for the chargers yeah yeah i think he's probably in and i wouldn't surprise me at all if they carry five safety just to be safe out of the gates. I don't know how they'll do it because it's it's obviously going to really bad spot. Numbers wise somewhere else but tackle is where it's going to really have issues. You know just kind of looking down on the road. I mean can you put that guy in your practice squad after the way he's played the last two weeks. I don't know that you can so that they might feel feel compelled to keep him just so they don't lose him but yeah i i agree with you. I thought teamer was really good. He was very good in flashes in the first preseason game and he was just flat out good in the second preseason game. <hes> yeah i saw making run stops. He was good in coverage. He's on special teams. He's doing a little bit of everything thing and looking very very good doing it and it seems like his confidence is growing with every snap he's getting so he's been a lot of fun doing it from everywhere yeah and not just playing strong. Thank safety or free safety. He's doing it from everywhere so yet. 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He was one of their better special teams last year. <hes> but jeremy made too nice physical catches to convert first downs <hes> on out routes deep outs on sunday that was it in terms of wide receiver production but he ran some good routes one of the catches in particular. He had to go up and get into a pretty good luck on so he he played very well. <hes> i think scott if i'm not mistaken had four catches for sixty. Four yards patent was somewhere in the same neighborhood. Both those those guys were making plays down the field down the sidelines long the perimeter from the slot in the middle of field. They both played exceptionally. Well patent made a couple of really nice physical. Catch is is <hes> arteta. Scott had a really nice catch for first down where he took a link in a i forget who it was one of the saints hit him in the back with his helmet and got penalized for it so all three of those guys played really well. They all stepped up after a very bad week for all three well two of the three in arizona and they get rewarded awarded by the chargers going out and signing dontrelle limit of any group. It seems like the wide receivers did enough to let them go into week three but no they brought the veterinarian and now patents almost guaranteed not to make the roster and it's between <hes> davis gotten jimmy davis yeah so i'll go ahead and move on defensive. Just give a quick shout outs here to a couple of players first off. Jerry tillery looked pretty good charge debut to highlight being that sacchi had before the half i four he exhibited some beautiful hand usage swipe inside. He basically rotates him hill to the ground. The play happens so fast. We got to see some of that. Explosiveness on that play which was awesome had a really good run. Stop posted a gif of it. Him and roger teamer met at the running back and it was a great read by both of them. The team played denzel perryman late into that game which was a big story line. We found out that that anthony lynn just want him to knock some of the rostov stop so they wanted to just get him some extra playing time he had to miss tackles night game but of course was all forgot forgotten when he had that big hit on a z bow and pop that football news who's that it was nice but to be honest i think paramount was pretty up and down that game a lot of people talking about that hit and that fumble but to me he had more down than up he still looks really really rusty and you know he's he's still getting back at it and still get in football shape and getting used to the game a little bit and then of course i want to give a shout out to anthony lynn lanier who was another guy who had a pretty good day a tie with teamer and perryman for the lead in tackles with six had a big run stop at the beginning of the fourth quarter that was a tackle for loss but they didn't count on the scoresheet which is a shame and linear was in the backfield a lot throughout that whole game it seemed like that number ninety and then of course that big time saccone contain some hill on that two point conversion that two point try where he got the sack and they are they were unsuccessful so you know hosa was missing in any significant time you're looking at. Maybe a guy that can climb up the depth chart is another and there we'll see but linear definitely making some noise this preseason. I think a linear is a very interesting guy. Talk about just because with krispies hurt you know you start looking at the depth chart is chain of osa linebacker. Is he a defensive end. You know if you're gonna list him. As a linebacker that probably leaves the fourth <hes> defensive end position open with you know obviously ingram bosa and isaac rochelle being being the top three so pieces hurt. It's going to be hard for them to make the roster unless he gets on the field in a hurry and linear is just lights out and that he's he's two eighty plus he so quick off the line he moves in a way that he shouldn't be able to at that size so <hes> it'll be interesting to see you know how how they view him and if they try to fit him on the roster just because he's a guy with three years experience in it seems like he's starting to put it together that that would be an unlikely guy that they'd be able to stash on the practice squad in my opinion assuming he he's even eligible for the practice squad so do you trade him. Do you keep them. Maybe you could leverage him and get an offensive of lyon adam. Maybe you just use them and keep the depth at defensive end. I don't know but i think he's a really interesting guy to watch over the next two weeks to see if he can continue to get those snaps and make the most of them and forces way into the conversation for one of those last defensive lineman spots yeah yeah i think anthony and roger teamer all those guys are on the bubble that are starting to make a case to make that fifty three yeah i mean linear was a guy who nobody was talking about going into camp. I mean people were excited about kris peas <hes> the josh corcoran kid people thought might make it <hes> but nobody said anything about linear and i don't think we even really mentioned him <hes> in our any of our offseason programming coming so he he's really surprised excuse me he's really he's really surprised and impressed and it seems like he's certainly making his way up the depth chart my last storyline just a couple of shouts guys who i thought played really well on offense. Obviously you can't talk about this game. Without talking about tremaine pope <hes> we had a lot of back and forth early in the off season about well is is newsom you know d'etre de-stress newsom lock to make the roster will they keep four running backs lacks will they keep three seems like newsome is slipping down the depth chart and now you start to see pope making plays in the in the return game. He looked really good as a receiver seaver against the saints this week. He's a guy who seems like he's working his way up the depth chart and might be making a push for a third or fourth running going back spot depending on how they wanna put the roster together with melvin gordon out so he's a guy to watch the next two weeks to see if they start kind of featuring him a little bit more. <hes> you know i think last year going into the fourth preseason game they shut down everybody but newsome so it'll be interesting to see if they do something similar with pope in the fourth preseason season game this year to try to get extended look at him <hes> so he played very well. I think sean kokin has come a long way. He's a guy who looked really really good and athletic <hes> out in front as a run blocker on sunday he had a nice physical twelve yard catch i down from from cartel jones and and he looks like he's taken making strides every week. You know he's probably not going to be a guy who's going to put up a ton of catches but he's blocking extremely well. He's getting open and it seems like he can contribute on special teams so if you're when you start looking at that tight end three spot where at a point in the offseason where people are starting to look kind of have not so patiently wonder when the team is going to bring back antonio gates and i think the team has quietly sitting back and really liking what they're seeing from <hes> from culkin the guy who they talked up during camp and kind of hoping that he forces them out of any thought of signing gates because he seems like he's really progressing and and really taking a step forward his game all in all aspects of his game since last season when you know he didn't really do much on the roster and he was kind kind of tough to watch at times you know i was really hoping andrew was gonna stay. Healthy is a shame you towards a._c._l. Because i thought it was going to be interesting competition with coconut voeller but yeah everything everything calkins done so far in the preseason proven that he's the tide in three there's no other tied in making any noise at all whatsoever so he's pretty much locked to make the roster and <hes> doing pretty good of course special teams contributor mostly blocking tight end able to get a third down catch there in the game and you know with the ball on his way i more times than is catching it so that that's definitely a good thing. I thought some of their best running plays came with him and hunter henry on the field together and in some cases with him leading the way so coke and played very well joining watching his progression all right well. I just got one more thing on defense for move on a special teams and that's kind and when i was talking about earlier and that's nick zuber who was a complete dead on sunday. He had multiple missed tackles gave up at least three catches and covers that i counted one was for a first down on the running back. Zibo who does ubu wasn't even the vicinity until after the first down marker pushed him out of bounds sounds you know with guys like roger teamer making noise drew tranquil and others who are starting to splash a little bit on special teams. I think this is the year that the chargers gotta let him go. He's an excellent special teamer but he's an absolute liability on the defense and i don't think you can afford to keep them with all. These guys are showing a lot on special teams james. I think they can make up for it during the season so <hes> designer just awful on sunday and i think he's about out here yes. I think that was the plan in the season. I mean you know when they were down to their last two healthy linebackers in the playoffs they basically refused to put zuber on the field and they went with seven defensive back alignment so i think realizing that they couldn't rely on him on defense. They went out. They added tranquil. They added a bully. They added kyle wilson elson. They added thomas tavis. The list goes on and on and on and it's pretty obvious who they were targeting. You know they they didn't bring kyle manual newell and designer still under contract but it seems like he's the other guy they're trying to push out with better athletes and guys who have at least a chance to contribute. Are we on defense. Some of them could be starters in a couple of years so <hes> there's just so many able body guys in kyle wilson's even played pretty well on spots <music> starting the first two games so i have a hard time seeing zuber making the roster and you know i wouldn't have objected if they cut him over went today day time and let's stop dragging it out already know absolutely and anthony lynn kinda talked about how you know. The plan was that they were gonna end up leading went go but they wanted to re release them early on so that he could hopefully find a spot to stick on another team. Which is you know obviously a classy move for a veteran and you you wanna cut him early rather than during fifty three's when there's that mad dash so it would have been a lot nicer if they'd done it before training camp but regardless they gave them some extra talk to try to find a home so yeah. No i agree with you. I think this is all in for zuber. I can't quite put my finger on kyle wilson. I don't know exactly what they want to do with him. He's the first linebacker up and i know perriman isn't ready to be with the starters yet and just kind of getting some garbage minutes to get back in the groove and thomas davis isn't in there in it kind of your wife's obviously in there but tranquil later on and zoom years later on but he's really jumped up. I don't know if they like him or if he's just the next man up there. It's it's confusing there. We'll see how that goes. I it seems like he's the next man up at will because they've been without thomas davis and they've been without details davis brown yeah at the last week so it seems like he's probably the third wall on the depth chart and just happens to be playing because the other guys just aren't there right right right yeah gitane. This was the most search for you right. Okay so let's go ahead and go to special teams and you know you mentioned tremaine pope return touchdown which was big big he had three defenders bearing down on him and he made them all miss which was beautiful setup his blocks downfield and it was drew tranquil who buried the last man to lead the way. Hey down the sideline. He just goes for that touchdown and you mentioned it. Pope may have jumped newsom pope was the next man up in front of teachers newsom he he might be the guy as rb three right now he had some special teams value obviously with a touchdown so it seems like some kind of has a steep hill to climb but if they break break camp and it's three running backs that cler jackson and it's pope it's not our own possibility that they can swoop up deters news put him on the practice squad you know he didn't put that much together that some other team has to grab him so there's there's a chance they might be able to sneak newsom through through waivers. I'm not sure but it seems right now that newsome that newsome's before with popey and rb three at the moment and then the other story line is is of course the punters and of course. I guess we gotta talk about it. Tie long was the much better punter on sunday over tyler newsom and long average three more yards per attempt to newsom some did long pinned to of three kicks inside the twenty tie long had a great kick right angled the sideline saints back to their own six which was the best kick of the game mm-hmm newsroom had two kicks didn't have much time he put them in pretty bad spot in terms of a line drive kick and it didn't cost them any points points and they're able to recover but the other thing that's kind of that. We got to kind of keep in mind. Here is that is the holder for michael badgley too so it's pretty much along job to lose at the moment because he's also the holder and the kicker michael badgley made his one field goal long was the was the holder there so it just seems like along the guy yeah i mean we talked about it last week. Long is the best punter he's handling kickoff duties and he's older so unless newsom can snag like one of those one more of those three jobs. It seems unlikely that he's gonna make it and you mentioned newsome's kicks. He had to shortcake's one of them was kind of a wa- bler in in both cases <hes> the punt returner was running up underneath it got a head start and he under kicked his coverage so newsome is not look good then long has so it seems like that that battle is more or less wrapping up unless newsom gets really hot and they decided to carry three kickers which god god help opposite they do. They're not having it seems unlike it seems unlikely it ain't happening and then of course the other thing we mentioned earlier is that mike winker got cutting. It's going to be cool. Mazda the chargers long snapper for two thousand nineteen before we call it a show here. I just wanted to give a big shout out to josh albertson and erin and darryl roll even john kagley somebody that we had a good conversation with a big shout and thank you for all of your generosity and hospitality on sunday. It really made for a great day for my wife and i so thank you all right well. That is going to do it for us this week. We will talk to you next week. I am at garissa. Stay on twitter jamie me at lightning round. We will see next time. 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Three Drink Minimum #7: Winners win. Nothing else matters.

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Three Drink Minimum #7: Winners win. Nothing else matters.

"Yeah. Hear me outside. So if it's bad, bad can switch and go back inside, but MS nice outside the outside three drink. Minimum podcast is episode, whatever, seven who cares, but fresh off the win man. I know two and a half minutes. Well, you know, other go was never really liked that, but who cares about this game? Let's get into some of the things that just we saw, man, the roller coaster ride. We last couple of weeks. We've been talking about all these games have been boring. These games. Have you know, because the blow is we've been complaining or whatever, but this type of game, this is what the charges are. Man is what they do. They make games. Interesting. That really have no, no reason to be interesting. There was just there was. You. There's a lot to take away from this, but I don't think there was a lot of good on the charges in, but with that said, good teams win when they don't play their best in that they did. So what's off with some questions here? It's our k- here as what's wrong with Casey? Yes. Something south is up with Casey, Hayward, man. I don't know what's going on honestly, because if you watch him, it's not like guys are just running by him. Teams are throwing his way at. He's just not making plays. Man is really all comes down to come over the last couple of weeks. It's really been trouble getting getting picked on, but this week, her know what's going on. I don't know how many cases he gave up, but it seems it just seems like he's playing at an average level when for the last two, three years he's been here. He's been elite elite top three at worst. So. It's tough to keep up that kind of play consistently for that for that long. So it's not too much of price. Seemed gonna come back down to earth, but it couldn't have happened at a worse time for the charges, but where they are right now, they're defense. That is a very good. And they will. They're going to have to basically stop teams or hold teams to feel goals. I just want to check in real quick. Have you guys hear me? How's it sounds a bad echo or good to go here? I'll take that as good to go. All right, good. Good. Good. Okay. So j. heckler came back down to earth, so I don't know if you guys agree with this or not, but it felt like to be the usage wasn't the same. So they didn't relieve us angler like they would've used Gordon. I feel like they use editor ler. They would've used normally, which I do really like that because. So they use them on a couple of these. No fakes yet the that's the best way they didn't. They didn't game plan for acclimating to act like Eker was going to be the lead back and he ended up having clo- carries for forty two yards also had five catches for coin six yards. But. Didn't seem like they were basically ready for him to be the lead back. And I, I don't want to say this, but it seems like they didn't know what to do without Melvin Gordon. So I mean, take that for what it's worse than obviously gourds been really good this year, but there wasn't any real adjustments for. So it's hard for me to say, equa came back down to earth when I thought it was just more of the team to students us, but it's kind of last minute. So I guess that's just kinda how goes on just Harris. Ask anything on Kaiser white came in and took manual spot, minimum filled less. I think Kaiser's out for two more weeks. I think the plan is for him to try to give it a go. When he comes back. Nut come back. So we'll see how that goes. Let me see some of the things that I wrote down. So I thought the times I really game plan coming into this, it was pretty clear that they wanted to do whatever they could to keep the chargers offense off the field. And of course charges score one play. So that looks good. But here are some of the titans just possessions, how how they were the game. So I drive thirteen blades that nine played drive after that charge. Go three out of seven play dry for Dutch Dow sixteen play drive. Eight played drive in the final. Or that they also had an eleven blade drive. So there are just so many plays war. Somebody drives where they just, they did a really good job of executing their game plan. Obviously, the chargers did everything they could to assist him by missing every possible tackle think I've seen a, we all know that the charge they're not very good tackling team, but man today was something else. They took a. I feel I miss six or seven tackles in at the same time if like Param in while I was in the Mike was at the point of Jack rated make a play nonstop buddy. He's a leader man like he's the leader of the divas in in that term just making plays against the running. You just did not do a good job in that kind of trickle down everybody else. Some of the runs by the Louis were like, highlight Madden runs. It was all bad. So you all kind of tax would love to see the number. Of how many times the charges that I guess it was over fifteen. I think there are pretty lucky to to hold all the time of the end zone and the end of the first half really good stuff by Melanie room to get his hand up tip that pass. So. That really, really basically the charge in the game. Well, didn't let the times the lead, so tend to six at halftime titans titans forward to open up in this last touchdown. So points before the half would have been good, big stop by them. Replayed and other j. man. I know there's a couple times where he didn't convert, but it was another time where was cooking in pocket. He's like money in the pot. He's doing a really good job of wedding sacks. I know you're sacked a couple times there in the second half, but you also avoided acts the first half really oftens going up. I've been really impressed by him in speaking of a boarding sacks. I thought Mary donated a really good job today. Man that goes back to the defense missing tackles. I dunno. It almost seems like they never practiced tackling because Getafe is got stiff arm that by Marian Emmanuel. When do you see that any this mariota's bouncing off tackle spin enough tackle spin outta tackles just doing whatever Manen who the defense should just take his whole by week in do nothing else, but tackling drills. Today's drink of choice is dose AKIs amber. It is a little bit early, but. And do do man. This is why they win. So I just I'm a team player I do for you guys. Somebody asked me during the game and is crazy. I guess it's crazy how fast things can turn because three weeks into the season. We're also hyper might waves breakout game and just how he's gonna. Take the next step in the Belem in wild Tyrol's. Not very good. What's going on our end? Now we are like, wow, derail is really good in what happened? Mike Williams. It's almost like they can't have both beginning the same time. I was eating my words that long touchdown when Titus bicy- covers, but Toronto. Another game in call targets a hundred eighteen yards. One that loan seventy five yarder obviously a touchdown. So who do you guys think is better? Is it might waves or is it Tirolians? I guess maybe the better question would be who is more important to the charge office? Is it tyrel or is it Mike. I actually think that so Tyrone gives them more just because he can stretch field without like on my show, he needed even scheme Nobis, what you're saying. So tarot has difference. Tarot can make the difference where he can run by you. He can win with actual speed where. Mike and asked to, he's probably going to have to do so sort of, you know, body year out physical huge make make some sort of contested catch where I don't think that's the same tyrel am. I know everybody hates him in. I'm not his biggest fan either by just seeing like Travis Benjamin catch comeback today, I think might have been is only catched, but yeah, wasn't only catch, but those are the things that might shoot it'd be doing where betas Travis to do that. So it kind of tells you what they think about him. But I do like the idea of going to. On going to Mike Williams in the red zone there that draft I call drop, but I mean it it's tough play make at the same time you while you're seventh overall picks of to come down with that. Right? What do we get you? Let's shake out some questions. A melon Gordon is gonna get paid. That's gonna be interesting to see. Just because I mean the injuries are holding back there really are story. This hamstring stretches out. We'll see if he. Does man because if they're able to have success when out here I know didn't have a good game today, like never great game that I was you'd hope for, but on if they struggle without him, then yeah, he'll get paid. But if they're able to. Basically score over out. So twenty points not gonna be enough, but big twenty eight, twenty four that Ola analog really well for the charges not paying. On bag Lear, whatever Radley the kicker will kick your he. So yes, mitt security. That's all we want. His kickoff man, he, he must like really have a noodle leg because none of his kicks unless they're doing is by design which is talk because they are losing a lot of field position by doing so. But I don't know, man, I, I feel I. It's tough to trust the kicker because he hasn't really been putting a a pressure situation it when I say pressure. I mean, like. Was asked to over forty five yards or whatever. Also what I'm eating. Apple fritter got some omelets baron that's going onto that will top golf action. Later on after after this first game go bears. Okay. Back to back to this. Yeah. Did say Schefter Schefter says about both combat. So. He's a as been working the past couple of weeks. He's been regaining his form getting back in shape and he scheduled to play just Yana which is pretty big time just as you saw today. Also is going to finish those acts. Is going to take away. He's gonna take pressure off Melvin Ingram and innards of really well this first half or whatever you wanna call it without. Without both the plan. So they're going to be so much better. Just such good player getting after the passer, stopping Iran Bessie making everybody better. So maybe filed. The of make plays leisure will be make plays and so on and so forth. So that'll be big. On five and two. That's all it matters. Yes. So I was in like after the game, like Phil, sans and CBS they were talking about Libreville should've done this or go with the flow. The game. They have all these soft factors where the titans were dominated the game. What the hell are you talking about? So they had some momentum? Yes. But I would say they were donated game. I e means, and I felt like if the if the game was going to go to overtime. Confident that the charges will got the ball in March downfield in known that the titans had just bars eighty nine yards. But. I'm taking my chances mariota's still all day. I, I feel like they would have one if it wasn't for time. I like the call the rest. Mentally, you're on the two yard line you you just March eight, nine yards like steer office chance. 'cause you're gonna get. There was a bad plank all but was about to go for, but five to mess. Really what matters. Yeah, that that that the newest one I can only imagine that that is, that's like some high school highlights runs, get you deal scholarship. You rarely, rarely see that the NFL Rosset college. So the fact that the chargers, of course, where the teams do. That makes perfect sense. I just. It is really tough to be that bad at tackling what leave it up to the charges to find a way. What I think the the aboard part is, oh, as. As bad as they play like as bad as much as they been. They actually did rate like they think they did a good job in the in the red zone. So the titans were in the red zone five times which come on the titans before today. Tides were so bad on offense. They never scored twenty four twenty points once did on they needed was elated overtime to get it. They had there not to have less eight quarters. So many officers stats that made perfect sense that they're gonna have some success today. So. Oh, man, man, I, I wasn't too surprised they had that that type of success just because. They're there every run team man in the charges like to play light in the box was one play where interrupt for seven yards and deters dime defense, but Asiad Phillips in the middle linebacker and diso terrible was on the field, but he was out wide. That's the stuff that this team does. It's not surprising to see the type of mistakes they have, but they in the red zone they do. There's today the titans to only two scores in five attempts that is really, really good for resent in the red zone. That's good. But on the contrary, it didn't feel like we chargers offense was very good in the red zone, and they were over two and seems like the plane was crazy. We all remember Keenan throwing that big fit. That was that was good. I thought Ruben say something about this Diaz from VSBN agree with it. So. So you just like throwing this big fit act like a diva, but that's kind of what you want me. You want him to know that I'm the man throw me the ball. I'm your guy. My I'm senior guy. Gates's guy where rose is your guy. It was remember the play. So when it happened was the times had to over kid and Philip rivers right away from that. He saw that there's two guys on as the other direction way in reality the like they had a bracket, but king was still open, which is pretty impressive, so but I don't. I don't necessarily not rivers for look the other way because the re tells you to not vote into double covers. But I really liked the fact that kid just wants to ball, you should as the best player in those situations, you should want the ball man. Taros afraid of the end of the season. Sure is. Yup. I do other got into handle that. If they're gonna let them walk or they're gonna. They're gonna sign him on maybe like a proven deal. I guess all depend on how tyrel finishes of the season. But I mean, shit, if. Vicki keeps going right now. It'll be pretty tough to let him walk. Yeah. The kicker Lind said in post conference by. So so he just has a noodle way and he can't make it into the end zone. Got great great year. Surely that will not come back to haunt them in a big gap. On your hot takes male with some hot takes. We saw today a really denied take when been, if equerry. Game to not let Gordon back on the field, but that's after that in the other hotel UCS. Kaiser white should start over Denzil pyramid about that. Oh, what else? We have also interesting to see. So job are still active, but I don't think he played today. I was in there. I remember telling leaper one sack, but. I thought of thought we might see Barcelona there, but did not add also a wonder how that's gonna work itself out after the bye week just because they're gonna have is they have their best five inteview invest five. That will be interesting. I don't know. I feel like barstools is breeze him so much in the past game, and he's not a great run blocker really dry, but. Everyone I'll be have to be really hates Gordon. So he when I would say I'm Gordon is so the first half I wrote this. I think a couple of weeks ago where I thought he was the MVP of that offense as rivers has been playing just because he he really does mean that much to the office. He just gives him a different gear in. He, he runs really hard. So it's like a perfect complement where equity can come in and just gives you that extra burst on the defeat off Goerner basically Gordon. Okay. I think Richard said this really well. So Gordon is very, very good at what he is good at. He's also very bad at what he's not good at. So we're very bent what he's mad at the. I guess the biggest gripe with Gordon is that man, he. He just is not very good in the open field. He will not make you miss their their time. It will like just jump trying to jump over your whatever. And that might seem picky, but it seems like he leaves a lot on the bone in that regard. But Kamala dude, last few weeks in bond out. And you know, I think result today that they just they need like he's going to be a big part of. Big of offense. Looted Ford Davis in the back seat man. I cannot believe that he got stiff arm l. by quarterback. I do think that he's not he. He does bring some. He does bring some good things field. I'm not sure I do wanna see him. Kaiser play on fill the same time against like some of these teams that aren't going to be like the titans and just try to run it down your throats. That'll be interesting. We'll see how that goes forth latman on on there. What is up with forest land eke that dude must not be able to run at all. He must not be able to move because in college he was just, he was so good. He was. He was so boring. That's when you can tell somebody's good players Lyman just because they just don't get beat. There's nothing to see. So yeah, I would love to see them fear out a way to get him in the game. He's too. He's too valuable. Pick where they asked him where they had that to not give my shot. So we'll see we'll, you will see agent fills on the field on time. He so he's been really good man. He got. So he broke up at two point conversion today. Last week he had this play where us written beggar Mayfield is gotten throwing late lane. That's where he was hand up, tipped the ball, but even when he's protected at linebacker. After they haven't been like crazy, crazy gashed. There's one play today where he was in the middle, and you gave it like seventy run, just got blocked by the line. But there's been times where he like he looks like an actual Bagger, just coming down hill and beating somebody who are just winning speed making a tackle. So. It'll be interesting to see how how incorporate a Phillips in the are in on defense moving forward here. So. One thing that I didn't think that visit a good job today was basically free pressuring Marianna. It was either man-to-man coverage. I was too obvious and they didn't get. They have a blips design. So us able to basically just throwing the corners and it wasn't like a pressure either according to plan soft coverage in, was this easy pitching catch or there was like these soft zones where one of them included Melvin Ingram dropping twenty arts, and that was on third and ten in tights converted when you do not have pass rusher, you do not drop your pass rusher twenty yards down the field. That's they did a bunch of dumb self on defense stay on the their silver lining was they were really good in the red zone. Let other than that, oh, man. Defense has worked him. Good news is the best player back hopefully get Kaiser. We're back as well. Another thing that I don't think I don't think we saw them today was just during bliss. It seemed like there was predominantly cupboards and I'm UC's really good coverage though. He didn't give up one play to the Louis, but. Mess. As one play, I do think that they need to figure out how to keep him involved around the line of scrimmage. So. Ooh, that is a lot to work on on defense and we've done that's not anything to spicing. Yeah, they, they wouldn't take the energy Nick mount said, it will take the underneath way. That's dumb. I don't understand that. So the titans have the core Davis and nobody else probably literally, nobody else don't even cover anybody else, but they were backing off of one. So Gus Bradley likes to do a lot of his own blitzes, which is great. So take away all that stuff underneath. Make mariota beach. You down the field. Don't give his easy dump off. So these these quick rafts where he can stay in rhythm. I think. I think it might have been halftime. Fourteen of eighteen one point that just tells you how easy to charge making because that's just not the type of quarterback is you will you wanna make him grow the ball downfield make those those receivers are really, really bad. The tight as the titans. The chargers did not make those receivers. Look really, really bad. One thing that I think Perriman really struggles at is when is it coverage? He just sits way too far and he just if there's a running back like five yards, you'll be five guards further than them and then we'll just close. But by that time it's too late. Pyramid is just not very good at what they call relating to the receiver he's gets caught no-man's-land. It's it's really frustrating to watch from a quote unquote coaches standpoint. When you guys think if you were the titans, would you have gone for it at the end there? So you had the momentum. You just March in March. Thirteen plays eighty nine draw eight, nine yards. Would you have played for the extra point over time or would you have gone for it? I. I think it was a really good idea to go for it. I don't think it was a really good idea to speak like straight dropback, open up, spread like that. I don't have the mariota's hands. Let them run for letter either. Give them like a run, pass auction or a little shovel, pass at UC, always works down, go on just do something, but yet they, they didn't have much of a plan in by the Lake. Mary Ona's holding ball in the reds, aren't the goal on more than three or four seconds. It was probably a bad place. I don't know, man, it was there. There was some good things from charge on offense though. I mean, I think rivers, I resisted job. We find out what rivers finished up with so nineteen for twenty six it yet twenty six, ten tech gives unite year of how well the titans of keeping the ball away from Cuban ball charges. Last last game, they have thirteen drives against rounds this game. They had a dry or nine dried. Sorry. And one of those drives was right before hassle. They're eight actual drives, and oh, she might be seven giant account when they nailed it out at the end of the game. So six fewer drives in last game. That's a, that's a good job I tied, but not good enough, you charges one. That's what really matters. So. So. With the by week coming up. I think what what you want to see when they come out against Seattle? And we'll probably talk about this little bit next week which you wanna see is continued aggressiveness thought towards the end of the game there, it didn't seem like the chargers were aggressive on offense. I think he could have done a better job on. Closing the door, like shutting the door, whether it was could have been like a little quick pass to the backfield. I could've been something to Kenyan which was working underneath, but for whatever reason they. Kinda play close to the vest that last drive six plays sixteen yards before they punted it back to the times. It was a short pass to f- ler minus one. Another short passed. I don't feel I don't feel like those were well-designed. Then obviously, third, eleven knew the bin conversion from Tina in the end. There. Nate. You get back to third and eight again after a run run, which again not great if you run run ass. Use anything fell, not great, especially if you're Philip rivers, there is I am a firm believer in putting the ball in your best players hands. Rivers always seems to get him in the right position. So. Man did happy, but what we gotta stop at the game five into that's what really matters. I feel like we're, we're good here. Boys. I don't. I don't think there's much else to talk about here five into or wins in a row. I think if at the beginning of the season no matter who they lost to, if you said at the bye week, they're five into without hundred injury without join Bosa missing Melvin Gordon today. And with all the injuries that they've had our relaxed talking about injuries, just because you know, every team has the sound, the only team battled injuries, but they fought through they figured out in the one. And as far row Seahawks on debt, it would be really good, Steve. This role in man of there's adjustments on defensible before. I'm sure that ninety nine guy will be a big help. I feel like just me saying that seems like overstating value, but not many, he's he's the real. Dill, and I feel like we're gonna find that out. Find out pretty soon here I will say this. Okay, and what we can talk about this actually next week, but how many sassy think both ends up with over the seas. I will say he comes out with five sacks and second half the season and we pretty much see. Yeah, he's really that good magically with also back, we see Casey, Hayward, you're back to his old self with a better passing. Ben pass, rush. Trims after Peru. Pillow die will bite yet a couple miss tackles again today as well. So it's gotta clean up man, hopefully hoping bosses the answer. So basically sitting around guys charge. One that's matters. Take care. Hello, you're listening to Simone to Roche. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #190: 53-man roster projections

Bolts from the Blue

46:49 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #190: 53-man roster projections

"Uh-huh in this is the lightning round podcast with your host garrett's this the and jamie oil charges go listening to light round podcast with me is jamie. Here's at lightning underscore around. I m garrett which is at garrett sixty and today we're just going to jump right into the show and give you are fifty three man roster predictions. Jamie's going to give you his. I will give you mine. Cuts usually come fast and sometimes they come even after that fourth game. We wanted to get these in early but you know of course that means that we don't have the luxury of watching game four to see if anybody makes their way. The roster like austin did years ago so we we're gonna get this in early. We're gonna view are early fifty three man roster projections. Let's just go ahead and get right into into it. What kind of trade off going back and forth. We'll go offense defense special teams so i up on offense. Let's start off with a group. That's a little bit more or difficult than we can imagine going into preseason. It is the quarterbacks yeah so i i mean i think everybody knows who the first two quarterbacks are going to be. Obviously it's it's gonna be philip rivers and tyrod taylor and then from there. It gets a little sticky <hes> do they keep three quarterbacks. Should they keep three quarterbacks if they do and they should who should that third quarterback be. I think we all assume going into the preseason and camp that that their quarterback was going to be eastern stick because he was a fifth round pick and it seems like they think pretty highly of them <hes> but we saw something that i think very few of us expected that is obviously cardo jones putting together two straight very solid games <hes> he was great against the saints last week and then this week this weekend he was really actually he might have even been better without without putting up points in a lot of ways against the seahawks so the question is which way do they go. I i have some fears that the last two games for for jones might have been enough to get him on the roster kind of serving as confirmation bias for coaching staff that we know things pretty highly the of him and especially anthony lynn who has some some pretty strong ties to him before they even got here but i think in the end it's pretty difficult for this team to just burn a fifth round. Pick so unless eastern stick just completely falls on his face in the fourth preseason game. I think he builds on the momentum that he that he had against against the seahawks over the weekend. I think eastern stick winds up just barely beating out cartel jones just because he's a fifth round pick. They don't wanna burn that draft capital. They've got control of him for. I think three three maybe four years. If i'm not mistaken he's inexpensive and i mean at this point. I know cartels. Els look good in the preseason but do we really think that cartel at twenty six or twenty seven years old is going to be a starting quarterback when rivers retires in two or three years. Probably i'm not so if they're looking to develop something for the future whether it's a long-term backup or the starter you would think that stick would probably get that nod so i'm going with stick here. It's not on easy call and it's probably something i'm gonna change my mind on six times between now and the end of the week and you never know what happens if plays really well on on thursday this week but for now i've got stick so my three rivers taylor and eastern stick yeah. We have the same three here you know. Carl jones made it a hell of a case for q._b. Three ultimately early like you mentioned the chargers. Invest draft capital needs to stick to be a developmental projects so you know throughout the preseason carl jones strong for two hundred eight yards has touchdown east since tickets for two hundred and twenty two yards a touchdown two interceptions and also has two rushing touchdowns so by the stanton's tickets had a better preseason than jones jones though if you're watching the game carlisle jones has been the better quarterback through the last two games. I think stick sealed it with that second. Half performance against the seahawks the almost led them back from an overall dismal game from the entire team to be honest with you but you gotta commend carl jones for his growth is progression this preseason season but i don't think the team can afford losing eastern stick and exposing him to waivers you know they've given kara jones chance after chance and it just it seems like it's great that he's done it now but it's just a little bit too little too late. Fee would have done it last season. Maybe he would have had a longer leash but because they invested in eastern stick. I think they end up going with him and keeping him on the roster is the third quarterback philip rivers tyrod taylor and eastern stick so then moving onto running backs. This group is three obviously minus melvin gordon it is going to be awesome tackler justin jackson and i have them keeping troymaine main pope <hes> he's been the rb three preseason long detroit newsome is kind of taken that back seat popat that long return touchdown against the saints giving giving him the inside track for rb three and that backup returner duties charters need it newsom has some flashes last year hasn't really put enough on tape this year to think that he has earned himself not only roster spot but you know teams would jump on the chance at getting him on waivers so there's a pretty good the chance that he passes through waivers and they're able to put newsom on the practice squad. He's exciting but he was definitely outplayed by troymaine pope during the preseason so i've got i pope roster spot awesome clerk justin jackson troy main pope as your three running backs. I had the same three. It is important to note that as of right now melvin gordon is is still technically on the active roster. The chargers do have an opportunity to potentially get a player exemption for him a roster exemption for him if he does not report by wednesday which is the day before their final preseason game. They have the opportunity to notify he and the players union in writing. They're gonna get a player <hes> roster exemption for him if they do that. They would not have to pay him for the preseason they would not have to pay him for the first three games of the regular season reason and he would remain on the exempts through the first three games of the regular season whether he came back before then or not or whether the team treated him or not <hes> i have a hard time seeing them key stubbornly keeping him on the roster so i have to think that if he doesn't come for the preseason game which i don't think he will that they will seek that exemption zemske and just say fine. If you don't wanna come we're not gonna pay for the next three weeks. Have at it so that's my guess i have equity jackson and pope as well i did toy with the possibility of the chargers keeping equa jackson pope and newsome just because we talked about them keeping four running backs when gordon was on the roster before he held out out so without him you would think that they might be considering that just to get an extra body and get some extra person to have some carries there but for now now i don't think nuisance really earned a roster spot whereas i think pope has done more and you could argue that in some ways at times pope is looked better than jackson and ecuador so pope definitely currently earning that third running back spot and right now. I'm thinking newsom not really worth that fourth spot and like you mentioned and we talked about this when we did some early early predictions before the preseason. I didn't think he was necessarily locked to make the roster. I don't think he's a guy teams are going to rush to pick up. I do think you can sneak him onto the practice squad without much risk so there's really no reason to try to hang onto him like they did with say a justin jackson last year down day and we'll kind of get into it with with these other position groups to because while to make it up somewhere else. The next group is fullbacks. There's not really conversation here to get into that. Derek wad is the full back. There was talk talk of jeremy cox being a guy that they had hoped they'd get something from an camp but you know not really worth the conversation here so let's just move on a tight ends. Give me. How many times do you think the charges are carrying. I think they're carrying three tight ends <hes> and this is i think this position group has turned out differently than the way both of us expected it to coming coming into the preseason and camp earlier in the off season. We both said that we thought this team would bring gates back somewhere around the third or fourth week of the preseason and while there's still still a chance they could do that. I have them going into the season with hunter henry <hes> virgil green and schalken as their three tight ends. I think if you look at the way that death charges bill now we saw green ketchup pass <hes> against the seahawks this week he's also arguably the best blocking tight end on the roster certainly right up there with henry and we've seen culkin they use. They've used cocaine as a fullback. They've used them as a move tight end. They've thrown the ball to him. Quite a bit. I think they get more versatility more blocking in the running game and possibly additional pass protection with those three guys on the roster and they would with with gates and i think that pass protection piece is really important with the way the offensive line is looked so i think henry green kokin wind up making the roster. The team looks at it and realizes they don't really need antonio gates. I think they can replace what little production they got from gates as a receiver last year from the combination of green and culkin and obviously having henry reback lessens the need to bring back a one dimensional tight end and gates as great as he has been for the team. I just don't think there's a role for him and i don't think there's an urgency to bring him back. As much as we might have thought there would have been <hes> you know when the preseason stir when the <hes> when camp started yes so we're the same here to henry green culkin and and i think this position group really locked itself in andhra volt went down with that a._c._l. Injury he was the only tight end that was making any type of noise in encamp and he went down so this was just set in stone with henry green and kokin coconut shown some reliable hand. The preseason looks really good as a blocker. You mentioned you. You know they've done this. <hes> the past couple years having kokin lineup fullback position to do so good blocker. They've got three really good blocking tight ends something something we haven't really mentioned on the show but kokin is getting up there with green. I think some of their best runs in the preseason has been with sean kokin as the tight end and virgil greenspan been out because he's been hampered with an injury but we know how good hunter henry is is a blocker. We saw how good virgil green was last year. Shown coke looks really good in the preseason as a block or two so hunter henry virgil green sean coke in three tight ends for me as well and i think you also get some special teams value out of both green and kalkin which is something you really don't expect to get out of gated. You never got it out of gates but especially at this at this stage of his career right all right so let's go ahead and wrap offense and finish up with the y. We've we've got two more position. Groups forgot about the offense. I don't even want to end the show. He wants to move on. I wanna skip off. It's of line is what i wanna. Do the wide receivers. I've got six. I've got them carrying keenan allen. Mike williams and travis benjamin of course they newly signed on trial inman is on that list and i have them keeping our tavis scott and jeremy davis. I've toyed with andrea patent for jeremy davis back and forth throughout this kind of day thinking thinking about who that lasts wide receiver spots going to be but you know they kept six wide receivers last year unfortunately andrea pantheon out here. He caught two touchdown passes preseason. I think with our tavis scott and jimmy davis they stick because they're special teams ability scott as returner and jeremy davis on coverage teams which was important last year would not surprise me if patent is stuck on on the fifty three but i've got davis and scott is the last two wide receivers. I mean if davidson scotland and again like they did in game one and patent goes off again. Maybe has a fifty yard game or something like that. I could see scott. Davis being swamped doc for patent. They are so close and they're on the bubble but i have them carrying six key now and mike williams travis benjamin dontrelle inman arteta's scott in jeremy. Davis davis yeah. I i had the same group i toyed with a couple of different variations of this group as well one of the ones that i so wanted to go with and i wound up talking myself out of. It was just looking at them bringing in men. I think that there might be a slim outside chance that they might cut travis benjamin uh-huh. I kind of doubt it. Which is why i didn't go with it but i think there's a possibility <hes> and i'll tell you why i think if you look at the move they made you. They kept benjamin because they didn't have any veteran depth behind allem. Liam's <hes> so you bring inman who in my opinion is a better wide receiver three than benjamin now. He is not the speed guy benjamin is. He's not gonna take the top off of defense but he has that connection rivers. He's a great rail runner. He makes tough physical <unk> catches. He always seems to make plays. They need him too. I think he is an upgrade over benjamin as a wide receiver three and then if you look at benjamin salary if they were to cut him a._m. As opposed june one cut they would have to eat one point seven five million but they'd save a million on his on his base salary and it just so happens that the three and a quarter that the three quarters of a million difference between the savings on his base salary and the bonus that they'd have to eat. That's the same number they say when they cut dade been last week. David ben you mean mike went out did this same lie. Ahead had another another white longtime long snapper yeah nondescript okay so the numbers kinda work out. I think you get a lift in terms of wide receiver three if you keep keep inman over benjamin but i think in the end they keep benjamin strictly because of his speed because that's something that really none of these wide receivers offer and i agree with you. I think davis for his ability his coverage ability. I mean the special teams really took a big leap forward when they added him to special teams last year sure so i think he sticks and scott. I think you're starting to see some hints that he can make some plays downfield he had thirty one yard catches in each of the last two games he he does have that returnability. I'm sure they put them on coverage teams and he could be effective there too so you got those two guys working their way up the roster and maybe you know later in the season taking a look at benjamin but i think for now they stick with six with obviously keenan allen mike williams travis benjamin dontrelle inman arteta's scott and jeremy davis with davis probably being the most vulnerable if like you mentioned the guy like an andre patent had a big game on thursday yeah yeah i think once they restructure travis benjamin contract this was just going to be his last year and they're gonna keep them so. I assume they're going to just roll with travis benjamin going into the season but certainly possible. That's for sure but let's let's get in this group. I don't want to obviously clearly because i try to skip over them but let's talk about the offense of lying because anthony lynn had a lot of interesting things to say during his press screenings writing interesting yeah nice horrifying so i guess we can get into that later but go ahead and talking about his offense by how many audits of lyman i am into have them carry. I have them carrying nine offensive lineman at the moment. Why should be carrying ten but there there is an attempt. That's worth keeping at the moment so i have them. Keeping <hes> trent scott forest lamp. Mike pouncey michael <unk> scofield sam heavy dan feeney scott question berry trae pipkins and only because there's nobody else where keeping <hes> spencer drank. Oh thank those are the nine they wind up keeping and i'm assuming this is under the assumption that oku will not be back for the start of the regular season and and might have to either have a player exemption a roster exemption or be placed on i._r._r. So that my my i am were this is working under the assumption that they will oh not start with whom on the active roster <hes> and that remains to be seen because he worked out with philip rivers and mike pouncey and keenan allen before the game one on saturday so it's possible he could be back but we just haven't had much of an update so there's no way of knowing what to expect with him so i've got a i've got everybody that you have except rengo and that's a guy that i was going to add later on. I was kind of toying with that idea so sam tevi dan feeney mike pouncey michael michael scofield force lamp trent scott trae pipkins scott question barry of course everybody's pretty much self explanatory. They've all played throughout the preseason like you mentioned about oku. <hes> we're supposed to get information about that later on but just speaking on real what we were kind of alluding to anthony lynn was saying that no spot locked in except the center spot with pouncey basically force lamp dan feeney michael scofield are all fighting for guard spots left guard and right guard starting spots yeah which is different than what we've seen in the preseason because it's been all michael scofield right guard with the starters and then at tackle sam tevi trent scott ought in trae pipkins are all in the mix for starting tackle spots right tackle and left tackle with the starters yes. There's a lot of a lot of a whole lot of terrifying in that in that comment right there <hes>. I'm not sure where to start. I find it interesting that he says that scofield. There's still fighting for a job because like you mentioned he's played every down at right guard <hes> with the starters both in training camp and the preseason the only time we've seen anybody else at right guard has been <hes> forest lamp with the twos and i think there might have been a little bit of either bury or draco at times in the first preseason game. Maybe the first two preseason games but it's been all scofield the whole way so to hear that he's not walked in as the right guard is kind of surprising to me. I think it's surprising in a good way because because it means that they're evaluating improperly. I guess <hes> but it's just kind of puzzling because he's gotten so so. Many of the first team snaps their that. It didn't really seem like anybody's has gotten a fair shake in a competition. I think you know if you look at the way that <hes> that fenian lamp of played. It seems like maybe lamp has the inside track on one of those guard spots. He's had a lot of snaps at left guard. He's played a good good amount of snaps at right guard as well with the twos like i mentioned engine. I think he's getting better with every game you could argue that he has been their best offensive lineman throughout the preseason certainly in the last two games and particularly as a pass protector <hes> i think there have been times where he's looked a little bit slow in the running game and maybe hasn't gotten to his spot but overall. You know we've seen him. Get get beaten recover. We've seen him domain on some snaps. He's been very good at time so i think he's been the most promising all the guys that are played on a regular basis. <hes> i'm scott. I mean if you look at the tackles. In general i think you could make a pretty strong argument. That pipkins was the best tackle on the field for the chargers on on saturday <hes> which is not saying a whole lot but he actually outside of a couple of mistakes which you expect. He actually played pretty well once he settled in playing some right tackle and i believe he played some left tackle title. He had some key blocks on the first touchdown drive so he seems like he's headed in the right direction whereas it seemed like tevi was chasing somebody down from behind basically every pass rush snap or pass protection snap he had and scott was better than he was the first two games with still not very good so not a whole lot to pick from tackle and i mean it's nicer tokens is playing well but to think they might throw them out. There was a starter week. One is a little scary yeah. It's interesting but you know the fact. That scofield hasn't won. A job is kind of nice to hear only because he hasn't been very good at all really the last last couple of games the last two games at least and i agree with you. I think for slam spend the best offensive lineman on the team this preseason dan feeney's had his issues again again. Having a guy like trae pipkins out on the outside starting week one would be a nightmare so hopefully that doesn't happen very good game three. He was definitely the best tackle. I agree with you. Are there too. I'm also wondering why they haven't ran michael scofield tackle me because he was bad at tackle the last time he played it. Let's ah got three bad tackles. They don't need four yeah well. Maybe he's better than the ones that they have. I mean the last time he ran out he. I don't i don't remember him. Being as bad is heavy and scott preseason but then again it's been a while since i've seen him play tackle so maybe it's just because i haven't seen it and i'm missing him a teco but i'm surprised they haven't. They haven't tried to mix that around. I thought that might be a spot. They would do and they didn't. They haven't done of course four slam tackle either which i guess i understand it's his first year. You're really getting his feet under room and they're just kind of not throwing too much adam so it's interesting but man we'll see what the lineup's going to be week one <hes> i would have liked to see some of lamp at right tackle. I know some people have been calling from play left tackle. I i doubt that happens anytime soon but i would have liked to at least see him. Get a little sampling at right tackle just to see what he looks like because i think he can play right tackle. I've said it since they drafted him. I'm convinced he can play right tackle <hes> and he certainly it can't be any worse than sam. Tabby who <hes> seems to be getting worse by the snap whereas i think scott and pipkins have been getting at least a little bit better with increased opportunity opportunity so either throwing either lamp or scofield out there at least see what they look like can't be that bad of an idea yeah all right so let's go ahead and move on on defense. We wrapped up with offense only differences. I'm keeping one less offensive lineman so let's go ahead and move defense and we'll start in the interior and as the defensive tackles. I've got them carrying five. It's brandon me bain. Justin jones the rookie first round pick jerry tillery damion square and the rookie seventh around cortes broughton. This group seems like it's pretty much locked in. It was kind of locked in at the start a camp or no other interior guys really making noise. D liner had a half a sack. I think it was against the saints but not enough to leapfrog cortez braaten but the other thing i'll say about this group is that though damion mean square is listed as a nose tackle which they've done forever on the team's depth chart. You should definitely be getting a lot of reps at end. Which is where he succeeded. Last year probably had his best beck season to date so even though he's in this group obviously got a kick out and place a mandate. Hopefully we'll see a lot of that season. Yeah i actually had them keeping keeping four defensive tackles and i went back and forth on this and wasn't easy but i do not have in keeping brockton even though i think he's played pretty well preseason with him being a seventh round pick. It's a little easier to kind of write that off and if you go back and look at what they've done don at the tackle position and that position the last couple of years since they switched to a four three they usually keep four of each position so i'm not sure they'll keep that fifth guy and i think with the ability to kick guys like rochelle those inside. There's less of a need to keep a fifth guy so i had them. Keeping brandini bain justin jones jerry tillery and damian square. I would have thought that britain would beat square out but i think the fact that they consider square a nose tackle whereas jones and tillery are really three techniques. I i think square with veteran with his experience and his veteran presence i think he holds onto that final spot and they do not keep five i will also let's say that watching that game on saturday i have some serious concerns about the interior that line now granted me bain was not on the field <hes> but i have not been overly impressed with justin jones's preseason and he's flashed here and there i think we've seen him make a couple of plays but it seems like more often than not against the ron he's three four or five yards in the defensive backfield and he's making plays four or five yards off the ball so i do not think jones playing that while i would have liked to see a whole lot more of tillery <hes> with the quote unquote first team defense in week three. Hopefully we see that in week four but i think jones is gonna start but i'm not that impressed with them. I i don't think square looks all that good in the nose tackle position right now and i'm a little concerned about what the interior that line is going to look like because we really don't know what to expect from me bane. I think he's thirty four four now. <hes> he was good down the stretch last year but he also missed four games in the middle of the season so who knows what to expect from him over the course of a sixteen game season where it looks like there's some death in that tackle position. It's really not all that deep when you start looking at me bain and square and you don't really know what to expect from jones. I think this is this group is going to be a work in progress all season interesting interesting yeah. I you know i thought maybe t._y. Mcgill would be a lock in this group only because they need another zero rotec but he hasn't done much in the preseason and so i didn't keep them but <hes> my thinking is if damien scores spending a lotta time on the end. He got need another interior cheerier guy so i kept broughton but you're saying because both ingram kick inside. I i understand it but i got five. You got four so talk to me about <hes> the some of the guys who are just talking about the and how many defensive ends you haven't. I'm keeping i had them keeping four ends and i went back and forth between having them keep four and five they they ultimately keep four yep <hes> obviously they're keeping bosa ingram rochelle and there was one spot left yet and i think there's some intrigue here because i think you could make an argument that who was a better end than he is a linebacker and you could move him and make him an end and maybe keep an extra linebacker but i think at at the end of the day what you're looking at. I have them keeping anthony linear over chris <hes>. I think they're both very good. I think they're both very deserving of roster spot and i don't think either one of them is going to make it through waivers. If the team cuts them which is why it wouldn't surprise me if they both made the roster at least initially and they tried to stash one of them late <hes> but the reason that i kept linear over piece is because i feel like near gives them another big body. Somebody who who can kick inside they need to and i think they already have their backup. Leo <hes> in shenandoah sue playing double duty there at linebacker occur an end so i think there's less of a need to keep peace and i think there's more of a need to keep a bigger body. <hes> who can get off the ball and ben the edge <hes> somebody who's maybe a little bit even more slippery than isaac rochelle and can give them a little bit of a interior and exterior past hasn't keeping four with bosa ingram isaac isaac rochelle and anthony lanier the second football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching that first game like having a shot shouted a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users. There's can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just by using code sb nation. Here's what you do download. 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Is here to change all that. It's a network that streams live twenty four seven and coverages just focused on the game they bring you the latest news highlights previews in reactions to all the onfield action their fantasy sports experts will give you the info you need need to make the right calls for your lineup. No fake debates. No politics just sports for real sports fans the best news of all it's free. I don't mean free for a week or a month or if you have some special cable package. It's totally completely free for everybody. You don't even need to log in just sports for real sports sports fans. Just open the c._b._s. Sports app and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone or at home on your apple t._v. Roku or fire tv. It couldn't the easier download the c._b._s. Sports app and watch c._b._s. sports h._q. Today all right so i got the same number different guy though and it's really a coin flip here. It's joey bosa. Melvin ingram is rochelle. I have them keeping chris piece. Instead of anthony linear piece had two big zack's linear had the one on the two point conversion. I mean i think you can make a case for either a now both really but either way no matter who they cut they gotta keep one of them on the practices. They had a find a way to get them on their practice squad. It might be a little bit tough because they've both flashed a lot this preseason. I have them keeping chris piece just because they had add another edge rusher i think is super. Cells your guy that you can kick inside. I get <hes> that new orleans is going to be playing a lot of leo. We'll talk about that. When we get the linebackers <hes> i got them keeping krispies but like you mentioned it's such a close battle between linear and peace. I knew i knew you're going to go near though you've had a big man crush on him. I'll preseason yeah. I've just enjoyed watching him play. I just like seeing guys who were that big move as well as he does and i just feel like he just continues to flash and get better so and i think hopefully we'll see some of whom may be playing inside in the fourth preseason game to see if that's a possibility but i i wouldn't really object to them keeping other yeah i what i think. They both earned it. They're both good football players and they both can contribute to this team so we know i'd be happy wrong if it's piece but i just i kind of prefer lanier. We're not totally if it's linear the they've both deserve it. You know so <hes> can't be upset if they go either way all right so on the linebackers i've got them keeping seven and it is no sue and a mecca bouli at the sam. I've got kaiser white denzel perryman drew tranquil and then it will thomas davis and davis brown so thomas davis kaiser y denzel perryman all set in stone to make it. I got into the linebacker only because i think he's gonna be playing a lot of that sam auto and base packages and then getting the majority of the snaps leo like we mentioned as a pass rusher. This is finally in the year. The team rids itself. Nick does oublier drew. Tranquil is improving with each preseason game bouli splashing on defense and special teams. I don't see a reason why you keep nick zoo banner always locker room guy and a special teams contributor but you've got other guys that are younger anti think can contribute just as much zimmer does and a lot more on the defensive inside of the ball because designer offers nothing as a defender so again also part of this group. This is the make or break year for details brown. He's going to be a free region two thousand twenty. This is it for him. You know he had a promising rookie year phone off every year since has some injury issues. They've kind of drafted to say hey hey we're moving in a different direction but a will make the roster as the last linebacker he will be seven so sue kaiser white thomas davis davis denzel perryman james brown drew tranquil and emec egg boulet for me. I have the same group i will admit that the comments and anthony lynn made late last week about the right fifty three not always being the best fifty-three with the best players kinda scared me because that kind of hints towards guys like cardin gardell and nick designer making their austrian <hes> but i think if you're honestly objectively watching tape and watching how these guys play <hes> i mean you really can't make an argument for keeping for keeping zuberbuhler over a guy like boulay. Who is the only backup sam on the roster unless you want to move a guy like <hes> unlike ingram out there which you don't want to do <hes>. He is a better athlete than designer. He has more upside. I think you could you could make an argument that he could play two out of three linebacker prepositions but sam is probably going to be his eventual landing spot <hes> and he played pretty well on saturday against the seahawks. He's been getting better with every a preseason. Game looks really good out there on the edge. He's flashes a pass rusher. Once or twice made some run stops so think as a guy who sticks <hes> and i think this this was basically written in stone at least for me back in january when the team decided to play seven defensive backs in the playoffs instead of their only two healthy linebackers which at the time were hayes lord and nick dubner basically nope. We don't trust you. We're not gonna put you out there. We don't care for small. This is what we're going with and now you look at the linebackers. They brought in the last two off-seasons. Thomas davis kaiser white drew tranquil egg boy. These guys are all six two six six three with the exception of white. They're all naturally two hundred and thirty two hundred forty pounds. They can all run. They can all hit <hes>. Most of them can cover so i just i have a hard time seeing guy like designer who is one dimensional even though he's a good locker room guy and i'm sure the coaches love him from a you know a work ethic ethics standpoint and they like him. He's a good example for the young guys on the team. I just think the time has come to move on so i if they wind up keeping presumably zuma's over a bully. I think it's a huge mistake and i don't think they will do that. I think it's pretty. I think it's pretty easy to see who needs to make this team. Yeah and you know a- as much as we rag on ener it's admirable that he came from where he was being an undrafted free agent making such an impact on special teams last few years i mean that's great and it's a good story like you mentioned have him around the younger kids and to tell his story but this is the year they got cut bait. Let designer go yeah. I i mean you know. This is a league where the average career is three years long and designers entering his fifth year as a guy who was an undrafted free agent. I think out of kent <hes> cal poly cal l. poly san luis obispo so that in itself says a lot. He's earned every snap. He's gotten on special teams. He's had some opportunities on defense and hasn't been able to cash a men men. It's not a knock on him. We it's not that we don't like him. Personally <hes> they just have better options now and as time for this roster to golf and improve and they finally have an opportunity to do that so i think it was closed last year but he had just signed an extension and now that they can cut him and not really you have to get any money. I think it's easier just to make that move and keep the younger more athletic less expensive at boulay who has earned a roster spot in my opinion yeah yeah same here you all right. Let's move on to the defensive backs. We'll start with corners. How many have them keeping. I had them keeping five corners and and i got to tell you this group scares the hell out of me so there's a name on here that there is name that is not on here that i would have thought would be here but he's been hurt all camp so i couldn't have them keeping him because i don't know what his status is so the five that i have in keeping or casey hayward michael davis dez king brennan face on and jeff richards and that's because for the second year in a row <hes> trevor williams had a quote unquote minor injury that nobody can seem to figure out what it was. He's he's missed all of camp. I don't think he's been in a single preseason game yet and it's hard to rely on him so and you start looking at the corner depth. I know they're awesome. <hes> some undrafted free agents that people were excited about going into the off season. You know a guy like an area on springs <hes> rodney randolph some other guys is but i think they're gonna wind up going with richards because he's been around longer. He i guess he technically knows that defense even though it doesn't look like it when he's on the field breath but none of these other guys have done anything to supplant him so i think they keep the veteran and let me tell you if one of these corners goes down and they wind up up decided not to keep trevor williams or if he goes on the or whatever and they have to dip into some of these guys on the practice squad. They're in big trouble because none of these backup corners behind desmond has been king and i guess maybe renan face on have done much of anything to earn a roster spot so at the back of that group is pretty scary. I went back and forth and of course trevor williams. Liam's would be on my list and you know aunty lynn was talking about how every player different but he seemed kind of annoyed with how trevor williams injury just keeps going on and on and being dragged out as it is so you know you assume that he's close to ready to play but it's been that way every week and he hasn't practiced so you can't put her williams on the list because he hasn't been healthy and you don't know how long that's going to go. It's just like oh. It's very murky so if you take trevor trevor williams off the list which was healthy and just practiced it even if you practice he didn't have to play a game. If you've practiced he would make this list. That's how bad jeff richards has. It's been so you've got casey hayward michael davis desmond king braniff face on and be by default you gotta jeff richards if heroines practices the next day or two he's on this team and he's the fifth corner but right now you can't put him on a list because the assume that he's not going to be healthy enough to even play week one and you can't have an unhealthy unhealthy guy make your fifty three not ready to play arianne springs impressed in training camp <hes> both as a db playing corner and safety but he's been really quiet. This preseason season face on of course is the guy who was a special teams contributor last year had some snaps on defense so obviously earns a corner spot here too you and again. It's it's jeff richards but only because trevor williams just hasn't played yeah the situation the trevor williams is really starting to remind me of jerry tortue when anthony lynn i got here where he was constantly hurt every year before a touchy joe or before lynn got here than the year he got here. He was finally healthy. He seemed like he was finally ready to contribute and he was inactive every week because anthony lynn was basically just like i can't trust you to stay healthy. You're going to be on the field so you're just not going to be on the field and it's starting to feel that way with with trevor williams oh he's close to practicing is close to practice and he's getting better and then he doesn't practice and he's inactive for the game so i just doesn't seem like this is the kind of guy that anthony lynn is going to want to rely on even though he was so good two years ago. It just seems like he's running out of options. I mean how do you rely on at this point all right so let's finish defense and its safety. I got them keeping five. I've got them keeping ray. Sean jenkins adrian phillips the sierra jaylen watkins and rodrick teamer so with during james out. I think they gotta add another safety and roger. Tamer ratio and jank has done enough to secure that free safety spot a made a pretty good play against the seahawks play where he was trailing but able to catch up in knocker ball away way and i think lynn was talking about how he doesn't wanna keep agent phillips at strong safety full time so what i'm assuming is that they're going to have phillips as as a strong safety in base and march him down in his nickel linebacker spot the rest of the time which means you need some safety depth in watkins adderley teamer jaylen shannon watkins can play some corner so you know maybe not having having jeff richards there you can maybe throw jaylen watkins there if need be but versatile piece they could play. Both safety spots had the big interception in the preseason so i've got them keeping five racial jenkins eight philip sincere adderley jaylen watkins and rodrick tamer. I have the same five <hes> what we've been seeing. The last two weeks in the preseason is like you mentioned philip starting in base defense <hes> at the strong wrong safety position and they've been bringing walk ins into play strong safety and and moving a phillips down to a nickel and dime linebacker role in some packages and i think we'll see a lot more or of that and you mentioned walk ins being able to play corner. Adderley was also college corner so he could play corner and i think he's a guy who might benefit from being moved around to being more of a wild card as opposed to play one particular position and with him not being around to compete with jenkins <hes> for that free safety role you maybe if he's healthy and he gets into this fourth preseason game. Maybe you see watkins and adderley playing some slot corner moving around and providing some depth and some versatility there and then obviously teamer with the special teams value and he he's looked really good at at this at both safety positions he's played some free safety and some strong safety in the in the preseason and he's look good in both <hes> he did not play last week because he tweaked a hamstring and practice so he wound up sitting sitting in the game out. He wasn't active. Hopefully he will be back on the. I feel practice this week and he will make it onto the field in the preseason game because i'd like to see more of him. He's just fun to watch. He seems like he's going to be a good contributor. In two phases of the game yeah yeah absolutely roger tamers made a case to make this team and we both have making it. Anthony lynn said today that it looks like adderley. We'll play in game four but <hes> we'll see how that goes throughout the week so let's let's finish this thing up and go on a special teams long snapper z. so i won't even throw it to you. Call mazas the only long except for the roster so that's his job from here on out kicker. Do we need to discuss this at all. Nope tiling miss both is extra point attempts against the seahawks michael bachelors the guy and punter between tyler long in tyler newsome who got jamie. It's tie long. He's going to be a uh. The field goal the kickoff. He's gonna handle kickoff duties. He's going to be the owner and he's going to be the holder on on teas so he feels three roles gives them some of that versatility. They don't have to carry an extra kicker just to handle kickoffs. Which is a good a good thing gives them some. It added flexibility there so yeah definitely tyler long i just he's been so much better than newsom as a partner and his ability to handle those other two roles. I think just lock it in. I think that was almost decided before the preseason received even started yeah. No tyler had some very we don't want to talk about kickers and here we are talking kicker but he had some good kicks against the saints where he pinned him within the ten one time i think seven and then that kick in his own endzone where <hes> where i don't remember who the seahawks turner was where he bobbled it was beauty that was is he kicked out from about three yards deep in the end zone to like the the opposing thirty five. I think yeah that ball yeah yeah so good to see a punter. I was hoping that he would make his extra points but who cares he's not the kicker but i guess you know in a pinch thank he he used to kick field goals and they could be worse off so that's it. You've got them carrying one more offense lineman. I've got them carrying one more defensive linemen and we differ on on the last defensive end. You've got linear. I've got chris piece. Yeah pretty similar which i guess is kind of how this exercise usually turns out for us. There's not usually a but also i mean there is something to be said about. How little turnover there was this year that there weren't as many competition open competitions as there have been in past years for roster spots now. There's open left guard right guard tackle spots but there isn't that who's gonna be the last corner spot. Who's going to be that last. There wasn't really that much competition this year in years past. You know what's interesting is <hes>. I don't know if you caught it but during the saints game fouts said that he talked anthony lynn and there were nine roster spots up for grabs heading into the preseason and they were still open as of the saints game last week so there were a lot of jobs is a lotta roster spots open. It just doesn't seem like any of the guys that they were hoping would step up did so with the exception of maybe like a boulet a teamer. There are a few guys but most of these guys most of the guys that are on this roster guys that you would have assumed would make the roster petting into camp. Yeah yeah absolutely all right well. That doesn't for us. We're going to be back here after the fifty-three cuts to review the roster and see how right and all wrong we were. I am at gear sec- on twitter jamie lightning underscore around and we will see you next time. Thanks everybody hi. I'm amanda editor in chief eater. I'm daniel janine producer here at peter and we are here to tell you about our brand podcasts us digest every week on the show we dive into the weirdest funniest and most important stories in the world of food with the inside scoop from the biggest names in the industry and expert insights from the eater newsroom <hes>. It's a really fun time so i would say subscribe to eaters digests for free today on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

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Score More #17: The matchup vs. the Miami Dolphins

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Score More #17: The matchup vs. the Miami Dolphins

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The score morons out there sorry Mr. last week boys a little busy so it's going to be a little bit harder to get these podcasts out as frequently frequently as I'd like so when you get them be thankful but I'll try to get them out each week if I can if not I apologize only can do what I can so today. We've got the dolphins on deck the Owen three dolphins charters are one and two Moma Gordon supposed to report today. Today is Thursday so we might see Melvin Gordon out there not this week but at least soon see him out there as in the practice field offense changes. There's a little bit with Melvin Gordon obviously improves and the struggle to get short yardage which hasn't been that big of a problem the first two games but was an issue against the Texans when they handed off Derek on a short yardage situation and he didn't get it but through the first two games Derek every first down on the short yardage Carey he's so wasn't that big of an issue but if you look at those short yardage situations on the goal line with Echo fumbling and Derek Watt not getting it last week against the attack since I guess you can make a case for that but regardless mom. Gordon makes this a better team in the run game and awesome Justin Jackson will still get theirs ears but it just seemed like they were just starting to scratch the surface with how good Eker Jackson could be as the one two punch but Gordon won't be out there. It's a short week for him anyway. He's reporting on a Thursday games on Sunday. He's not going to be out there and even if he was out there which isn't going to happen because he hasn't had any. NFL workout yet he he has been able to get those legs. Fresh hasn't been hit yet hasn't worked with the team yet so I mean at the very least if you were to get out there he'd be on a very very very scaled-back l. Back Minimal touches game plan for Gordon so he's going to be a non factor this Sunday and it won't really matter. Let's go over the injury report and then we'll do a short little rundown of the dolphins because this'll be pretty quick. for the chargers. Michael Badgley the kicker again did not participate he was close to go in last week against Gansta Texans but still not going as of Wednesday it looks like it might be tied long again but probably a game time decision for Michael Badgley Travis Benjamin who hurt his hip and I was about to say the Phantom injury in the end zone which hurt more of his ego than his actual hip but I don't want to go against Benjamin. I'm sure he actually heard something and I I don't I don't think he's faking injury but he did not participate on Wednesday but you obviously should have caught that on the end zone and coincidentally went up blame right after it Virgil Green did not participate Casey Hayward did not participate with a back injury hunter Henry again still not out there. He won't be there on Sunday. Mike Williams did not participate. Michael Davis Limited with his hamstring injury going the right right direction. They definitely need him out there. Over Brandon face on and Denzel Perryman was forego on Wednesday so he should be good to go the Sunday in terms of the guys that did not make it. Badgley Ashley probably a game time decision but Hayward Williams probably going to be good to go on Sunday in terms of Travis. Benjamin was just popped up Virgil greenwhich which just popped up hunter. Henry won't go but we'll see with Benjamin Green going forward for the dolphins. It's a pretty long list there wide receiver Allen hearns is out with a concussion may not go on Sunday these safety bobby. McCain did not participate with a hamstring and shoulder injury so doubleheader. They're for McCain CAIN Wiltz their cornerback. Jamal Wiltz did not participate with a Groin Injury James Crawford Jessie Davis the Tackle Guard Trent Davis Mr Linebacker Reshad Jones our safety and Albert Wilson the wide receiver were all limited full goes. Josh Rosen had was dinged up on his right elbow. He was good to go on Wednesday. He should be fine for Sunday Chris Lemons. The cornerback was a full go and so it's Charles Davis defensive end with his wrist injury. He's good to Geico now moving onto the breakdown so this is a team that's bad right. I mean this is a tank for to a situation. Everybody's talking talking about how they're taking for a quarterback in just a terrible situation. Josh Rosen again buried on the depth chart for the cardinals they draft Kyle. Murray never got a shot there in Arizona now he's behind Ryan Fitzpatrick. Luckily he got bench last week. Here comes Rosen and it seems like they've got more of a chance now he didn't look look too bad. There were a lot of bad things that happened to him. A lot of drops sacks so bad penalties so it's not all on Rosen but at least Rosen Rosen gives the dolphins more of a chance than they did with Patrick so good look for Rosen so far in the first game and he'll be able to finish out the see what he has so in terms of Josh Josh Rosen he doesn't have time to help he's under pressure a lot and he's made a few good decisions a couple bad decisions so much like the makings of a rookie quarterback. You'RE GONNA get a lot of hot and cold with Josh Rosen on Sunday on the ground. It's Kenyan Drake Kaelin ballads none of which doing very a good this year the dolphins do not have a rushing touchdown so far three games. Kenyan drake is averaging three point one yards on the ground and Kayla Mbala urges averaging one point three yards on the ground. This is a terrible terrible rushing game not good at all. They're saving core has duo of pressed crest and Williams and devante Parker. Williams has the only touchdown from his offense. They have no rushing touchdowns. They have one receiving touchdown which didn't actually actually come from Josh Rosen last week. They had no touchdowns last week. It was from Ryan Fitzpatrick Press. Williams has one hundred fifty five yards on the year devante Parker one hundred thirty one. They both are averaging about twenty targets through these three games. You're looking at about six to seven targets a game name for both Williams and Parker and to be honest. Neither of them are really catching the ball. They've got twenty three targets for Williams only eleven receptions twenty targets for Parker it only six receptions so visiting that's plagued by a lot of drops and as we saw last week Casey Hayward is again shadowing the number one wide receiver so you probably will see him. I'm on Devante Parker. Oppressive Williams Hayward shadowed Andre Hopkins last week. He shouted him on seventy five percent of the routes in week three he had zero catches on one target forget when Hayward is encouraged S. according to Jeff Ratcliffe so hayward again like last year is starting to to lock down those number one wide receivers and to be honest with you. I don't know if they even even have one number one wide receiver by default devante Parker but it doesn't matter neither of them are very good. They won't be a number one wide receiver on the other team in the NFL microseconds the tight right and he was drafted two years ago. A lot of people were hiring Koseki. He hasn't caught a touchdown three straight games. He's only had six catches for fifty one yards this year. NOT A big receiving weapon of course the chargers got torched by titans last week against the Texans. This week doesn't look to be an issue though who would've I thought they would have got burned so often last week but again because Seki not a huge receiving weapon and they don't have a lot going on this offense in terms of the offensive line line. They've got an office of line that is as bad as it gets much worse than the chargers. If you could possibly imagine left tackle Jesse Davis is by far their best player. The rookie Michael Dealer is by far their worst player at left carts so next to each other Jessie Davis Michael at center Daniel Kilgore floor doesn't get much worse than that. You've got jamarcus web on the edge and then inside at right guard Shack Calhoun. This is an offensive line. That's given up thirteen sacks with three games. They're averaging just over four a game and if this is a game that you want to have a bounce back from the interior guys like Justin Jones owns and Jerry tillery. This is definitely the game to do it. The interior offensive line is awful. Melvin Gordon Joey Bosa have played well but haven't really racked act up the sack numbers that everybody had expected. This is the game to get off the Schneider for those two. Ingram Bosa could definitely have their way with this offense of line thought the same thing last week but last week. Shawn Watson had the most time to operate throughout his whole career he was pressured on less percentage drawbacks any games throughout his whole entire career and he's had some really bad offense of lines and that line is very good and they had some injuries across line too so the fact that the Texans were able to get the job done last week is not encouraging but this is definitely a bounceback week for the charges against his offense. This is very bad. I wish there was more to talk about here but there just isn't this isn't a good team is the team that wants to tank as a team. That isn't going for anything but I will say they did throw out. Some unique looks last week. They're we're a team that are playing for absolutely nothing and though they're not very good that could be dangerous. They ran some flea flickers. They have some creative screens. It's going. They're not really playing for anything so it seems like they're just kind of letting loose and sometimes those teams can beat you and so definitely not a team team. You can overlook. I don't think you could do that on any week but this is just a bad team and a team that could go down as one of the worst teams in NFL history according to a lot of people so let's go ahead move onto this defense and this is a defense that is giving up a ton of points to so it doesn't get much better though I think their defense is better than their offense. If that is any consolation they're giving up forty forty four points a game. This is a defense that has some good young core units to it and we'll talk about a couple of those the ends John John Jenkins and Christian Wilkins of course you know that name Christian wilkens because he was a target for the chargers at twenty eight last draft didn't follow them of course they going. Jerry tillery but a popular name during the drought process had his best game last week against the cowboys had a lot of good run stops him in Jenkins did but to be quite honest. The cowboys just ran right over and chargers can probably do the same. This is a game that the offensive line obviously and other bounceback opportunity here for the chargers offensive line who've struggled through three games some up and down some good place scofield was pretty good against the Texans you saw Dan Feeney do pretty good against the colts what's but for the most part pretty down for across the board through all five guys of the charge offensive line and they're not going up against a lot of strong bulldozing defensive offensive lineman like they have this week they get Christian Wilkins and John Jenkins who have done okay so far but definitely should take care of business. Their linebackers cours are probably one of the strongest groups on this Miami Defense Rake one McMillan Jerome Baker tackling machines Vince Beagle Charles Harris Chris can also contribute on the edges some pretty good corners at least one of them exhibiting Howard who got a big time contract recently recently from the dolphins one of the better corners in the league and very very underrated so probably going to be matched up with Ken Allen. That's going to be a match up to watch these. This is going to be one of the more fun competitive matchups to watch on the outside. Leaving Howard has really good closing speed COMPLA- physical and is very good coverage corner so the guy that's GonNa have who's GonNa have his day full with Keenan Allen so saving Howard canal a good match up on the other side. It's GonNa be Eric Rowe. the EX. Patriot didn't quite work out there in New England but on the other side it's going to be Eric Rowe and it'll be it'll probably a lot of Mike Williams Eric Rowe and Xavi and Howard and in Keenan Allen on the back end no Minka Fitzpatrick. He got traded to the steelers so it's now Reshad Jones and Bobby McCain Bobby McCain leaves the team team in interceptions with one. He's the only person on the Miami dolphins with an interception with one so he's not only the team leader. He's the only leader because he's the only guy with one interception perception in terms of a pass rush. There isn't much there. They probably just added their best pass rusher off the edge Taco Charlton who's recently waived by the cowboys he the at a sack in his lone game of work in a Miami Dolphins uniform John Jenkins defensive tackle. I talked about a little bit earlier. He has one sack he's probably the the disruptor. In the middle the defensive tackle he's got a one and a half tackles for a loss the guy who gets the most penetration on that often on that defensive line. They have four sacks on the year through three games averaging a little more than one sack ah game but there aren't a lot of pass rushers. If any at all TACO Charlton was cut for for a reason there's a reason why I had him so low coming out of college. I was not a fan of his. I know a lot of people were high on his athleticism but not a great football player player but he's got a sack so far. Maybe he can turn it around in a different uniform so there isn't much else to go over here because his team isn't very good. A special teams aren't good defense offense in good so that's why this thing is going to be pretty quick and I apologize for that because I'd like to break down this more and give you a little bit more than I have but there isn't a lot of go off of here. This is a very bad team is a team that should be used as a bounceback opportunity. This should would be a game where Anthony Lynn starts to mix and match a lot more players getting some gametime experience gift force Lampson big time experience. I mean this is a team giving a forty four points a game once the chargers hit thirty thirty five when I get a lot of these guys some snaps why not get Jerry tillery more consistent snaps snaps why not get necessarily why not try ray Sean Jenkins at strong safety. You know why not try them out there and get him that opportunity. Why not run drew tranquil frank will out there. Why not get some more snacks for your white. I think this is a game where you can really mix and match and get some players some opportunities some. NFL game experience when you're you're a big so I'd like to see a lot of that this week. I don't think this is all that close. I think the chargers win. I haven't been able to do a lot of predictions this year but so far so good. I think that I have them when he gets the colts. Oh I didn't do a podcast here. I did it with another colts. podcast yeah so anyway for for the two that. I've done for score more. which was the first game in this game here? I've got the chargers winning and I got him winning big so that does it for me man. I appreciate you guys listening to shorten podcast. I'm accuracy on twitter. Follow the account at score more pod and let's just hope charge more on Sunday.

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Three Drink Minimum #9: Raiders dub, yawn

Bolts from the Blue

34:15 min | 2 years ago

Three Drink Minimum #9: Raiders dub, yawn

"Yeah. Minimum podcast. After yet another victory. Wasn't able to do it. Right after the game. Just because has some things going on a busy week in my way. Hope you guys had a good weekend have friend in town. So I had to play host. Little bit out of the comfort zone. Had some fun though. Went to a polo part is pretty dope. Veterans day. Obviously, I don't know if you guys know this. But my dad was a twenty year veteran so shot veterans out there. Thank you for what you do. Let's get into the game. So chargers twenty two six victory over the raiders. It's not I rivalry because the raiders never beat the chargers. But we will just talk about some of the things that we saw some of the things that just some of the takeaways that we have in the first the first one was just it seemed like the raiders would have some success moving the ball. They were in the charges territory for the first three drives. There was I mean, the good news is that the raiders were able to the sorry. The charge were able to stop the raiders each time. But you know, it it felt like it'd be one of those weird quirky games where you know, the charge would just keep it close. And just you know in years past they might have even lost these kind of games, but they had some things go their way they caught some breaks they made some plays and they were able to pull away. But the first drive I thought was just phenomenal football by Darren James. He obviously had the big fourth-down stop on that drive where the raiders kinda ran a little into round trip play with some just motion. And he he didn't buy it. He stayed home. And he made the play and you actually didn't get credit for a tackle for loss. But he made the tackle behind the line of scrimmage. So other is a couple stack corrections that I feel I should happen. But who cares I got stops? And that's what matters. I think that's. The sign of the defense is trending in the right direction. They were able to get stops. When it matters. They got stops. The raiders were over three when they were in the red zone when they had an opportunity to score. That's big. That's something that the chargers could do a lot better at I believe they are gonna say there. I think it's tenth. Yes. So they're their tenth as of I believe before heading into yesterday. But they're like I mentioned their training in the right direction. Forty five percents before the last three games. I think they held the raiders to thirty three percent. I want to say I think they were are sorry over three. So obviously that's going to go down. What I was talking about is thirty three percent third down conversion so other. They're just doing a good job on the things that matter so holding opponents to fill goals not touchdowns. That's a big deal and getting off the field on third down so demand. Eros really good that first drive. He had some a couple of plays in tackle or sorry. A couple of plays in coverage, and he missed some tackles. But that I drive is really good stuff on the other hand though, just to start the game off. I thought that you know, just a little bit concern. The charges were pained. There was one. Where was you know, they had the ball in their own end zone. They went three and out. I think I think wiz wny's have a little bit more confidence play with some more balls. I guess you can say when it just comes to. Just doing his offense out of their own end zone. He went run to watt right of the middle which come on, man. That's not gonna get you anywhere. Then you went run again. And then they tried to throw the ball on third down. And they basically just punted the possession. When I mean they've had success. If you remember I forgot what game it was. But Tiro caught like a deep forty forty are bomb and that was out of their own end zone. And I mean, they can still pass the ball. It's not nothing really changes. You just have to have confidence in your offense in it seems like I do every other place. So that that'll be so being to keep an eye on as a season goes on just to make sure just to see how that aggression changes as they are if they are backed up in their own end zone. Speaking of Derek watt. There were a think so that dare grat had der watt to carries. Mike Williams had. Carry Travis Benjamin had a Carey. I think that okay. I think that was it. So those players had carries before equa got his first, touch, and I think equities I touch one for nine yards, and he had the touchdown called back in in no way. My on the train that I you should take away carries for Melvin Gordon at least anymore. But I do think that I mean come on if you're gonna give WADA fullback dive, why not give equity that or at least maybe a sweeper and some sort of misdirection where if you are giving those players touches over Melvin Gordon that is not the right way to go. And I'm pretty sure, and I get that, you know, they're just trying to be keep a defense off balance and keeping guessing n I've no problem with that. But you know, just give your best players the ball. And that's their best are that's when the offense is obviously had their best. When the best players touch the ball echoes show that you know, when you give him the ball he can break those runs in. Always has that explosive Billy why doesn't give you that Benjamin does. But I mean, he's just a shell of himself. He did he does not look the same at all is just super scared of contact them. So one other thing they kind of sit out early in the game was when they were taking the deep shots that rivers balls were just like dis pass was just dying in mid air. And and it would be probably I would say on all the passes that went over where he had to really have some project trajectory on wall. So that was kind of interesting and Lynn, Linda dress that after the fact in the post game. So he said that they had to kind of you know, just basically a daft on the fly in change their game plan. It's changed to a bunch of short passes and throws worth essentially rivers would have to make it throw on the line. So that a that was good to see our good to hear from him. At least. Just as far as him knowing that they're going to have to make these make these adjustments and speak in a land. Man. He it's been kinda quiet as far as the coach of the year goes, but. He since basically since a year ago. So since I think it's week eleven this time last year. Maybe maybe it was we tend is probably as we tend to make sense November eleventh. November eleventh two thousand seventeen Anthony Lynn is thirteen and three in his last basically seasons seasons worth of game. And are remember just kicking off this season? I did like this cast with the chiefs broS, and they were comparing him to like Vance Joseph and saying you couldn't coach and basically saying. He's out of his depth than there's no real difference from him in the chargers s coach which is. I mean, we all know that that's not true. And he certainly has his deficiencies. I mean, there's still some game management issues in you know, he it took him forever to get over the Caleb Sturgis thing. But I mean, if you cannot see that and somebody actually said this to me today that Lynn is not the reason that the charges have a winning record is he not the sole reason will. Yeah. Of course, it goes without saying, but I mean, if you can't tell that the culture's changed players are playing for each other players are feeding off each other's energy. Like there is a significant difference of how they are playing. Now compared to when they were playing under just different coaches than there's I mean, there's not much there's not much to discuss it all, but I feel good about him being the coach of the year. Just as far as where it is right now. Just because the things I mean, the things that they've had overcome. And I know that the schedule isn't great. But if you look around man, it's not like the page. The patriots certainly don't play a tough schedule. But. Every you have first of all you have to play who's on your schedule. Second of all that's not make it seem like the chiefs are playing the toughest schedule either. Or? The Rams and saints or another team snot it seem like these guys are facing six in two teams weekend and week out. The patriots just lost to titans team that a lot of. I mean, a lot of people were saying that were overrated wants charges beat them. So I'm sure that will change now that the patriots lost. I don't know. I just getting back to the point though, it's nice to see Lynn talk about the in game adjustments in being able to, you know, not stick a square peg into a round hole. The air quality is bad. You can't make deep throws adjust. And they did that and speaking of adjusting on the fly, it's probably better that I recorded now because got news where yesterday so Sunday the game so Denzel Perriman went out, and he had xrays and they were negative. So he went back on the sideline and thought it'd be good to go. You're pretty confident that he would miss some time. But did not think that. That he would be out for the season thought it'd be a few weeks that all came to a stop today. So he is out for the season tours ACL elsia. I don't exactly remember what it was. But so I got a chance to rewatch the game. And I kinda wanted to see you know, how they were doing things with out Pearman on the field in just how they were kind of adjusting. So let's just say that. They are going to have to find somebody. That is not on the roster to be able to do what Pearman does the physicality just isn't there? So they started out with. Hayes plotter shot essentially, they for the most part, they roll the dice with just putting Phillips Adrian Phillips and Getafe is Brown. So both did have a solid game. I thought I mean Brown played better Brown steals a super fast. We can make a lot of things happen. But a Brown is still a little reckless. And he doesn't have that physicality. So what happened what I saw the raiders do a lot of time. So if you if you know Brown will play on the weak side of the formation and all that teams are going to do this what the raiders did. And they were able to get a couple of bigger plays. They will just motion and make Brown on the strong side. So of let's say lineup on the left side of the formation. They will motion tied into his side. And now he is on the straw. Like. He is the strong side linebacker, and when that happens he just gets caught up in the wash. He will basically he'll just run straight. And get blocked or get ate up and Phillips or Hayes powered or whoever it may be they they're unable to get past the linemen. And that's where there was a couple longer runs by the raiders. I think there was eight yard run. There's a sixteen yard run. I think there was another longer run that I noted down just that. I mean if paramount on the field those runs don't happen. And the the Broncos game that might show it's face a little bit because they're not they're not to shabby of a run of Iran ah running offense, obviously, Philip Lindsay super fast, and he can make things happen. So they're gonna have to have to make some adjustments. But I I wanna be very clear where stock in. This sounds really really silly. But it just in this day and age man stopping the sobbing to run it really, isn't that important. And you know, you have to be really you have to really stick to your. Game plan. If you're going into the game thinking we are going to run the ball to beat this team that just doesn't happen in today's game. You're what what usually happens is especially in the raiders game. The charges made so many place chasing on the backside. So Melvin Ingram has really mastered. This he made a few stops chasing from the backside during James did the same. So once that happens you now you're in second along. Now, you have to throw the ball or you're in third and long and you have to throw the ball. So. It'll be if you wanna run right at the team you're going to basically test their interior detangle. So I think that those guys have actually been pretty solid not great. But they've been good enough. And that's really all it takes to to stop the runner to at least attempt to stop the run. Because passing is what matters. So but pyramid is a big loss. I mean, just as physicality, and he brings a level of energy. And I don't think that the other guys can match it a polar did make a nice play where he it almost looked like he knew what the play was. He was basically running towards the direction before the, you know, just almost as soon as the snap count since. It's not gonna happen. So that was pretty impressive. What again, I have imagined. They're going to go. Essentially with Phillips right now. And I don't think that they're gonna move manual back there after after watching the game, it seems like they're pretty comfortable just playing small and basically Gehring you to run the ball down the field on them. So we will see how that goes. But I'm a I'm pretty confident that it'll be Phillips unless they go out, you know, external get somebody. That's not on the roster. So. The good news is speaking of pass rush. I thought that this was as a unit by foreign away. The best pass rush that the charge were able to muster against team so far so Filon made made a play yet sack legion it out a couple of pressures. I think the real surprise was new oh pseudo a no also be called Miller twice and one was like an inside move and one was sny spin move that he had clearly he's been watching all fifty four there. But it was good to see. It was really good to see you also had a half sack where he's came on a little stunt came free. Yeah. Those guys are getting after Derek Carr. But I think Melvin Ingram deserve all the credit in the world. He was used pretty incredible on Sunday against the raiders yet. A obviously had the strip sack, but he had a couple of other rushes where many he left the tackle basically in the dirt just reaching. For derek. Whether it was a spin move or just like one of his little head fake moves just because he can out athlete you. I really think he's taken on a new role with both of being out. He just seems like more of a leader in in chasing down plays. And I thought I say that every week but just watching the game back again, man. This was this was another one of those Ingram vote for all pro type games. Like, he's he was really good. So. If they get that kind of performance from new oh Soo and are able to just get Ingram being Ingram. And all you need is really just a couple splash plays here. And there from the the interior linemen. They get that ninety nine Philip back man they can. Every chance to be pretty damn good. That's for sure. Just some of the Oso early on in the game. Obviously the raiders ran that forty two yard punt fake. I I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine. I'm kind of curious to see if we see a little more that if we see teams try to take advantage of just a special teams in general. That's clearly the charges. Weak spot at this point in a shocked to nobody the wide receiver coach from the Vikings turned special teams coordinator. And this dude was a George George Stewart. I believe his name's George. He was a washer coach Vikings for ten years and Lind signed him to be the special teams coordinator. And as you can see that has not worked out at all. And we see it almost seems like every week that something is going wrong and on my I'm not I'm not exact I'm not saying that, you know, the dude should be fired. But way, something ask and something different has to happen. It seems like there's a specimen steak every weekend, you know, eventually against a better team. One of these one of these going to show up and cost them at least. That's what it feels like anyways. So. Something something has to change. But I do wonder if the. If the special teams is going to if specimens going to come back to haunt them. And if we see other teams just run more fakes in general, so that that'll be something to keep an eye on talking about rivers. I I saw some people just kinda, you know, saying rivers was out of sync at a guess today. I actually didn't get that vibe. I do think that he fled the pocket a couple of times when he didn't have to when there was no rush. But Feeney finish. Oh, feel Entebbe actually got beat a couple times. The line wasn't terrific. I mean, there were they have it set up. So where there's just so much protection. Where if they get beat like if one person gets beat there's help impounds he doesn't really good job of masking a lot of that. And honestly, man, speaking of past pro, and I'll get to that a second actually. So let's keep it here. But I think just as far as rivers goes the his ball placement was honestly as good as it's been on. On there is about five throws that were just made. Like, how does how does he fit that pass in there? I think if Gordon stays on his feet if you guys remember think it was second or third down. Gordon leaks out of the backfield is running up the field rivers. Throws it right. Where needs to be in gorgeous loses feet at the very last minute reached out for one hand. But the ball is exactly where it needed to be. That would have been touchdown pass. I thought the throw to gates was honestly one of the better throws. I've seen from any quarterback this year he fitted in between like two defenders in bounces off Gates's chest drop in the end zone. Like the ball ricocheted high in the air. I thought that was an excellent throw. But it's not always like these in'some throws. There was a third into he throws to Tiro in the slot. Tyrel is he's covered. There's no place to go. The linebackers all over him. And he kinda liked. Throws him open where Tiro has to reach in linebacker still has to reach across him, but third tune, they converted. So there is the few throws like that where I'm just like man's dude is so good. Another place stood out. Later in the game say is the fourth quarter. They're the raiders I think they brought a blitz and rivers just picks it up so quickly in soon as Virgil green like clears a linebacker. He throws it over his head twenty three yards and just within like a split second. Just the things that he sees in his ability to process what the difference is doing compared to like when you watch these other younger QB's, and I know he's been in Lear. He's been around forever. But it's still so impressive. Watch him do work, man. And I was trying to in my head make an excuse for that interception because interceptions bad. What I wanted to say was it was third down. He first of all I shouldn't left the pocket. But it's third down knew they didn't have any receivers open knew that his punter has a noodle leg. So he took it upon himself to just heave it up. Make the off make the raiders offense. Go along ways because Donnie Joan. Can't kick the ball very far. So let's just say that's exactly what rivers was attempting to do that. Oh, that makes sense to me Cuban it on the offensive side. I think man what we saw from Gordon and echo or just I mean in like a pass protection from pass protection point of view. So those two especially Gordon, I think Ecuador it twice. I think Gordon did it like four times, honestly where they just picked up linebackers and kinda stoned him. And I mean, they cut him, but they got him out of the they got him out of the way. And that's all you need to do just being in the right position. A lot of running backs. Just they can't even get that far and that's half the battle right there. But Gordon stuck a couple of guys, man. And I think it's really really good to see him just play with confidence play fast. And I said last week where I think the rest did him a lot of good, and we saw a little bit of the same again where man. He just he looks fast. He looks fresh. She's making guys miss. I he's making some cuts one where I was like don't. Yeah. You gotta cut back. You gotta see that. But I mean, there's other ones where he he's just he's doing what he's supposed to. So you think a man low key? He might be a team VP. And I said that a few weeks back, and that's when rivers was rivers was hot. But when he sat out against the titans. I think a really good argument for him. And now man it looks he's hot right now. He's he what like over one hundred yards one twenty yards. He has a streak going on. It only. Jamaal Charles is done. Got exactly what it was. But he's looking good, man. I whatever. So I mean, not go negative but getting back to running the ball these I can do without these Travis Benjamin carries man, they're not going anywhere. Two weeks in a row is gone for a negative. Just I mean Canaan shoe, you don't have to be like a speech to get twenty yards and Kenan show that. But yet, let's just let's just cut that out of the playbook don't need to give him don't need to get him involved. Don't mind targeted to on like, let's say comeback. But that should be the extent of the Travis Benjamin story swinging receivers a what happened to Mike Williams. He kind of went AWOL, and he wasn't exactly open. So I think they're gonna have to have one of these one of these guys step up Tyrone done a really good job of that. He actually had two routes where so he called the deep ball at yet a weight on re by rivers under through just a little bit. I think that was early and that was one of the air quality quotes that Len was talking about. But on that route he made the db you just gave him a little head fake any e kinda create some separation there, but his best route came is on like a third short. And he looked a lot like Kinney ran like a little whip. Br. Which is you just of fake like you're going inside? And then cut outside really quick route like under five yards, and he had the db stumbling. And he had like three four yards separation is really impressive, man. So it's really good to see tyrel be consistent list last month. And they need that they can't just rely on Kenyan against you know, the better defenses because defense are going to scheme to take him away. And you just have to have threats so taros been that guy. That's it's really nice to see what else. What else did? I notice sacks or fund, man. It's it's good that weren't play where he he basically ran full speed into the running back in late in all the way out in Rochelle got a sack because of that. But Melvin Ingram had the strip sack. And I was just a great move by him. I how many I'm trying to say see how many so they finished with four four but new oh suing. Also haven't half sack or show had one on that on that a Derwin play a Filon had one. I think that was he split one with who else did get that. I think it might have been Melvin. I'm not I don't remember, exactly. But you force acts five sacks everyone say it. They were the team was credited with a nine QB hits. Which is good to see. But I think that kind of speaks to talking about the pass rush, man. They're they're just they were really good. They're getting after it. And one of the biggest takeaways that. I thought you saw one of the biggest segues that. I saw was it seemed like when they're charged on the field. They had eleven sprinters like eleven hundred meter dash runners compared to you the raiders had just like mile runners a bunch of long distance dues in the chargers beat him to spot on almost every level. And the raiders game is quick. They wanna throw these screens throw these quick passes in just didn't work was flying around. He led team in tackles Durham bunch of plays around the ball. But it was it was a lot of guys. It was a group effort Desmond king good out of couple tackles, but he missed some. But those were the tackles that don't really bother me because he's in the mix. He's at the line of scrimmage. So he misses one and there's other guys right there to clean it up. So it was really good see and they're just playing fast. And that's why doesn't really bother me that they can go small with Phillips because though he will make some batteries at linebacker. He just makes up for it in the past game. You so much better than what they would try to out there at linebacker so fast as good, man. So one thing that I would ask what when be I think the streak will end. I even with Denver getting a by. I really don't think it's gonna. Be this week, and they're kind of reeling and with losing Mary's Thomas. I think that'll be a big deal just for their offense. Their defense is actually still really good. But I don't know man, case keenum is just he's good for a turnover. And the chargers thrive off that. And I just I just don't see. I just don't see Denver being able to put up enough points. Even though they do have some skill guys on. I like like I mentioned I do think filled Lindsay's legit manual senators. Obviously good Colin sudden hasn't chance to be good. But doesn't matter you never quarterback. And that doesn't matter. She can't block. And I don't think that the Broncos can do either of those things and a lot of times when you watch their defense, though, they are getting they do have numbers. There is a lot of loafing going on where a they kind of just go through the motions. And I mean, that's what veterans do at this point when they know that they're not gonna make the plan. So that shouldn't come as too much of a surprise. So I don't think it's going to be against the Broncos. Definitely don't think it's going to be. It's a cardinals when they get into December. That's when they go on don't exactly remember the order, but another Bengals have chief staff ravens in Steeler. So similar is going to be a fun one. And it'll probably come to an end at some point. But man, they have a chance to keep reeling often. If they lose one game man, if they can get out of December is our if they can get out of November these next two wins. And then they can if they just split in December go in twelve informant. There's you'd have to be the most optimistic optimistic fans to save the beginning of the year. They won twelve games. I was convinced that they would have won nine gains. I thought they would drop Seattle. I even thought that they would drop Seattle even after last week's win. So that was a good thousand big win and being able to split against the AFC. That would be big as well. I made of all the games. I just cannot. I don't think I could take another loss of the chiefs man have to break that streak have to basically, I think they I think they are able to beat the chiefs. That'll do a lot for their psyche. Just as a team, but we'll see man. That's that's a little down the line in you know, that they have to take care of business here. I'm just so just kinda recap and real quick. Oh, that was that was hilarious. Just with Leauge. It saying Salesian was asked about like the the whole air quality and whatnot. And he said a cancel out the weeds, smell, we usually get an Oakland, which can confirm. I was there a couple of weeks ago. And I was like oh damn. Yeah. That a that's that's it. That's the way. But man, they they have a chance they I really do think they have a chance to go twelve and four which is kinda crazy, man. Not. I don't think there's much else to talk about about the game. I when rivers went down. I think it was. Oh, so when they had that roughing the passer, which was a terrible call I thought that was pretty weak on show fields part to just kinda let that ride and we saw at the indigo. Game. We saw Russell Kun do basically the exact opposite. If you watch the defensive players like agent fields and got into it with one of the raiders see like everybody playing for each other. So I was kinda hoping that show field would stick up for his quarterback did not gonna let somebody flop on your quarterback like that. But it happened whatever it's over in. I imagine was address because Okuno Akkad out later in the game. But. A man they're hot right now. And there's there's not really too much to be, you know. Not much to be down on with this team that they're doing a lot of things. Right. And I mean, if you wanna be like nit picky there, some things at the raiders could have taken advantage of they probably could have thrown some more cross areas in to they could have just simply caught the ball. But car was shook in the pocket man chargers. Made another player retire. Jordy Nelson retired today. So who is going to be the Broncos player to retire? My bet is let's say pacman Jones say Adam Jones, whatever his name is whatever calling himself these days that is my guess, so. Yeah, I think that's it man. I think we pretty much covered everything on Wednesday at twelve Pacific one mountain time. I'm going to be on the chargers read it doing AMA asked me anything. I have no idea how it's going to go. But I'm gonna take a lot of questions for basically about our our. Twenty minutes Iago's, and we'll go from there. So that's all I got for today. Hopefully, you know when I come back here. We will see seven wins in a row go team. Thanks. My name is Spencer hall. My name is Jason Kirk. My name is Ryan Manny every week. And by we've form, the shutdown full Tron, keep telling you not hold from the set now focused, technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about hair disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having huge contracts coaches making terrible decisions coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. 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