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Anita Makela: Secrets of Drag Racing

The Autosport Podcast

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Anita Makela: Secrets of Drag Racing

"Today on the podcast we going certainly for me very much of taste the world motorsport after say drag racing scenario. I know very very little about two months with the company We've got here on your host. Ed Straw. Aw We say star guest with respect to my guests are star guest today. Is Anita McCullough full-time for Europeans fuel. Champion and reigning a legend Legend of Of drag racing. I would say thank you. Yeah I saw hits a educate. Educate me certainly I think would be the the mejet so I'm hoping to get as we end this hour side with a better understanding. I guess it's the challenge. Isn't it would drag racing of selling selling it to people because he's kind of a very specialized as Matt that's right. It's very small all sports. But they're caned I find it very enthusiastic and well. That's the sport I've been doing thirty years and I just love it accent. We will find out a bit more about that love of of drag racing. Surely we have brought in another specialist as well. In in Ruben Jackson of best describe of center pulled Santa Pod. I guess Yes yes I do. I work for them. And is it a part time basis. But I've been coming to Santa pod I it's been in existence for fifty four years and I- horrified. I've been going for fifty three of them and I've been working for them. I did essentially a forty year apprenticeship as a paying customer and then they offered me a job So I've been working for the now for twelve years. He is well prepared. You could say well yes. Yeah I hate to think how much forgotten put it lying. You fully forgotten far more than on on this topic take my final guest. Is Somebody with a little bit more knowledge of drag race in the neighbor still should we say relative Relatively inexperienced also magazine. It's a Kevin said now you have been you haven't not support relatively recently thanks to robbing a couple of times once when I was most news editor and then once this year and I put it down on my the three sort of standout wow moments in my most book career. If you like. The first one was watching for one contemporary along through magazines and Becca Silverstein. The second one is the first time I saw an anti walkout lemond and the third one was I taught field dragster leave the line. You've been going to multiple events for years and years and you kind of get a say you kind of get an idea of what's quick and and what you're looking at and you have to completely recalibrate that when you see Towfighi has could leave. The line is caught one of the most remarkable spectacles immutable. We'd say you sold it very. Well they're very very well. I'll have to get along failure. Facial let's come. What's a unique set? How how do you come to be at drag racing? Santigi asked but how do you how did you get into. It comes to be so successful over through years. I just got interested overall in muscle cars and a test wanted to test one of those dragsters. It was like a gas trickster and once you give you a small finger it will take your whole hand. And that's the way how the sport to me. I established this team myself. So I'm I'm very few of those ladies. Were having their own teams and maybe the most important work. What team owner can do is to choose the right people in right places and that's the area where I did succeed and that's behind off my success of these all thirty years so good team and These teamwork at its best. Everyone knows that in Motorsport Drivers need could team and By by the coup team. And when you're having success it will always take you even fast and faster cars Mohan running these ten thousand horsepower. Cars night to talk fueled tractors and they going from zero to hundred kilometers per hour feeding within one and we didn't have second so it's very quick half second and you're going already over one hundred kilometers per hour that's just performance and essentially you're saying about applies to all of radius about having the right people the right draw the right equipment is everything is made so it's a virtuous circle as we say but Robin perhaps you can put a little bit of context on on a neater for those not familiar with with our achievements. Obviously fulltime to European champion is a serious achievement. All in all in top fuel which is kind of the top ten. I guess. That's the category that people think of when Formula One of of drag racing. Yes I mean. It's exactly the same formula. Kilowatt is is the pinnacle of An enormous pyramid really with tremendous amount of stuff below that in top fuel is the same. I'm with drag racing. You know. There's a huge amount of Stuff below that me you can start out is of an extremely accessible sport You can simply come to Santa Pod. We have what we call our run. Walked your brand events where you simply turn up in your own road car Ten pound purpose on the gate. Twenty five pounds to sign on Ugo told a Running on the track and that's the basis of the thing. I mean drag racing started in in America after World War Two as essentially a road safety initiative. You had all these Sort of ex-serviceman coming back from the war often with mechanical article training and this hot running craze took off and the way that they approving their vehicles they weren't demonstrating clever driving skills hills or anything that was actually proving. The vehicles against one another was by racing on the streets. Perhaps some traffic light traffic light and so forth which of course was hugely the Illegal and dangerous and most people kind of wanted to horse with the people you know locking them up But a number of enthusiasts instead tried tried to persuade them off the public roads and onto in those days of course there are a lot of now disused wartime strips Around America so they. They used Those and they decided by chance on quarter-mile as being the classic distance that sometimes at that point thinking in terms of perhaps a half mile. And can you imagine imagine if we run into a half mile now what north the cause would be doing So it grew from that And that that element really continues as with the run Macci Brun Idea and you work your way up from that With top fuel formula me Lewan at the very top of it. I think it's worth putting some numbers on that. Actually because it's now the top fuel cars on over just a thousand feet now instead of the quarter. That's right cool from aw. Aw and even. So they're doing that. Distance in three point eight seconds and three hundred thirty three so I mean yeah the you couldn't. Ah Jason. Wasn't it for safety. Imagine what speeds would be being achieved. If for fifty years they've been doing over half mile. I mean the mind boggles the measure. I suppose is eight smile a to twenty yards at one point of course before they reduced it that was half track and certainly in America. Now they've been and 'cause hitting two hundred ninety nine miles an hour at the eighth mile and typically Ah dragster will will gain gene. Perhaps thirty to forty miles per hour over the second Hof war in this case the from the eight smile to the thousand foot point which even in that distance when an ordinary car gaining that amount of speed in that distance would be quite a lot but when the things during two hundred ninety plus in you know already The extraordinary the acceleration is extraordinary in the thing. So they get progressively slower in fact as they go up the track but that You know all things relative and a NATO I mean the forces involved must be unbelievable. So what are the biggest challenges on around one of the things. You're most concerned about most focused on from the moment that go. What what are the key things that you're dealing with? Of course first of all you have have to learn to drive this using miles per hour you have to use we we do normally so you have to get used to run over three hundred hundred miles per hour. You can't touch that step into the car and do it so it takes time to learn to do that. So you have to control the car all the way so On when launching the car under maybe at the beginning you visit is coming very narrow but when he learned to drive that kind of speed it will spread out a cane and you can make observations. And you see where you're going and that's very important because everything happens interceptor short time especially on the top end and You have to you have to know where you are and where the car is where you are going to take your car to and On the meat way the chief force es about five point five so it's at the biggest. Ah The midway and then it will come down until you call over the finish line and opened the breaking shirts but it's the it's the driver who needs is to control the car all the way but everything happens in the faster than you can think so. You have to respond of the feeling so I'm having like a spot in the middle of the track and I feel where my car is going. It's going like left or right. So it's my like recent with keep it in the straight straight line and my feeling with that and Tara shakes major thing as well. I mean that was just something I know your sister is yes. Sometimes you have to shut it off straight away because once that really kicks kicks in is carnival. I resonate so what can you do to to manage that in the first few y'all of the launch as dry. But you can't do anything it is done by the mechanics. Connex already the way how the car is going to behave. And Dia Sake assaulting that Because you have zero point eight the the pressure in the tires and it will grow when you push the pedal down but it. It doesn't have enough power to make the soft tire ground one. It will cause the tire sake and the tire say can be so severe that it will break the chess cut atrocities and of course. We'll oh keep you as a tribe of a very severe headache and that stuff so it's like hitting pipe baseball pat very heavily but okay. You can't drive. That's that's all you have to leave the pedal and The moment is gone. I'm interested in the the question of the of the amount of driving because people look at anything driving in a straight line but it. It's it's I guess when you're actually it's already as as so many adjustments estimates a make sure it's it's still going in the right direction election with amount of power incredibly challenging and kind of quite easy to underestimate from the from the outside and the most common thought ought after Iran is at. Why didn't I do like that because the moment is gone? You know you have to make the decisions so quickly and then you did the decision and you can't get the moment back anymore. Yeah so many things you have to concentrate and to and SAFETIES number one Easter in our sport of course and you have to realize that there's another car next to you and you have to keep your car in your own lane It's not the top speed. It's what can have which go what can call What can possibly go wrong in that kind of top speed with can cause the problems and you have to be prepared for that devoid of that that it doesn't get out of your control so I presume the problems that might manifest themselves when you walk license that subsidies they start early so you need to learn to recognize? That's a small problem now. The second half is going to be a unless a huge problem. That's when you that's that's right it out of it. Yeah I've had people say to me sometimes Real major sport has corners. That's what some shops had said to me. Once and I point out well I drive around corners every time I go out in my car and it's no big deal. The point is what's your purpose and driving live around the corner driving to the shops. That's one thing if you'll racing somebody else to the finish line. That's a totally different thing. And whether you'd driving around Silverstone Fatu hours or twenty four hours at the mall or a standing start quarter mile a thousand feet that becomes an entirely different exercise from just essentially going motoring so whether it's corners or not What makes drag racing? Standout I think is it's decisiveness. Hi Sickness you qualify against the clock. Yes but then it is head to head. The winner advances to the next round. The loser goes home and and there's no next lap on which to rectify any mistakes he might have made It's an extremely decisive sport in that respect so and you only have ah metro seconds to do all that well. It's it's like any top level sports in the sense that whatever it is yes to win is halt. It's extra yes I'm not saying about having teamwork of the themes will be the same. Yeah so more response to somebody said that would be able to come and have a look then. Yeah absolutely ah Yes and then especially if you're there early enough in the SEC. This of lower classes if the classes and you think okay and you get your own line and then it. As as the day progresses it becomes more and more crazy with a more more more and more impressive so as the other interesting thing from a from a driving perspective is with that amount of power. I guess the thing is I mean. It's like starting enormous isn't it. So He's getting that power down getting to kind of fill threatless graceful. Haven't how'd you control that amounts of Pyla seek tilt about you. Go this'll lighter pushes and try and get that bullet for that. How much of the run is just sort of controlling that power? Do you have A. How easy is it to get one hundred percent throttling everything stable? Does it never gets on that if you if you're going quick yeah driver. There isn't very much to be done. Because you just push the pedal down and keep it there and It's all about mechanical adjustments. And what they've been doing there. And it's like a straight drake bulldogs no gears. But they're they're coming timers. We saw putting more pressure into the clutch discs. And it's like activating them. I'm on the run and And you know It's control the whole run is planned to the Pacific track and what the mechanics. Fluke Mikan. the cruelty looks at. It's going to be like this and so the car needs to be a test like this way. So it's DECI decided by the crew chief mainly what's going to happen but I guess adapting conditions as he goes on there's more rubber down yes temperature if soundly signing if the sound is behind on the cloud everything effect and there's no active electric's on his areas old because a twelve stage clutch. Is that where you're up to. Now I remember saying is a multi-stage clutch that feeds in as you. Go down the run but you can't have electronically effectively mechanically decide beforehand. That's right so it must be a real fine are all that sort of setting up process and for example like this the heartedness and the thickness and everything is influencing to that and everything is measured very accurate way and try to make we try to make the car. Always the same way as it wat- before the Ron so that the crew can make new decisions how to make it go faster if it would be different after each round it would be possible. AH IMPOSSIBLE CHOP too. So in qualifying rounds we always drive to make the car the same way so the cruelty can make his Owned test meant to make the car faster. And that's why we have so much work to do. Between the rounds you can have all the talk and horse power in the world and it has completely useless. If you can't apply it to the track then you can apply to the track. You have the quickest call in the field. It still. Oh completely useless. If Dr Snooze is or doesn't you know fails to control the car properly so those split second. Things that can determine determine the outcome of a race and ozzy talking about toy margins in terms of the the race. Oh twenty four sub four second runs I guess just hundreds thousands insulating not a lot of time to do anything in that that speed hunched Akabusi. You when recently even this talk about the the you know the clutches sets up already funding are very interesting thing. You want to start a lot more as anything this when you start learning but call waiting need to see how it how it will work and really get understanding not just the spectacle which he referred to but just the just how complex challenges and all the things going on that you you you can never guess just from watching the absolutely. I think he's like anything more. You delve into it. The more complicated and difficult and sophisticated Everything is I mean not just opening I watering. I think we should also cover the notch. Percent Methane feel is very potent. So the things that Paul spectacles weather's the speed one amazed by all the loudest federal loudest. 'cause I think I've ever seen under the first win Reuben. Said what do make sure you get some earplugs and you know people say that Rice tracks overtime are lot. Hearing any old are definitely. That was the correct advice. Because it's just it's it's amazing you can hear it through your face or anything you can hear through your faith think without a follow on takeoff or something and the other thing was I'm Robin took me around the paddock. Very Open Paddock And we're fortunate if that's the word for one of the one of the cost to be followed adop- and it it's it's pretty well. You described his tear gas. You know his assault on the sentence. All of that has to be managed you know. It's not just jot any notes. Very exact measurement obviously strictly regulated. That's something presumed team to keep on top of the law as well is there are lots. It's in lots of restrictions. It's not just his path engine will God and run. There's lots of taught taught regulations as well like any tops boys in there. That question of the restrictions is interesting because it does it still feels like sell fuel dragsters and it will might just having restraints to still quite quite rural as well but how how wide ranging Auguste restrictions. I guess there's capacity limits that kind of thing but in terms of how much you can do. It changed much over the years. Is it more become more controlled more restrictions. In how how tightly controlled is it the the actual formula has beeen constant since the early nineteen eighties. The NHRA brought in the five five hundred cubic in true For dragsters for top fuel. dragsters in I think nineteen eighty-one that was settled on That long ago What's remarkable is how How things have progressed in that time? the the the supercharge on any bigger fourteen seventy one superchargers. The nitromethane hasn't got any nitromethane as it were And yet through constant refining. They've gone from those days. They were running the quarter mile in five and a half seconds at A. You know maybe up to two hundred and fifty miles thousand now to to nowadays hitting well over the feed down three point eight seconds or so Well over three hundred miles per hour and and that is simply being through constantly refining The equipment and machinery and Yes where Formula One. For instance the formula is changing every few years they they put in something different but it is actually stayed constant with with drag racing which I guess Everybody complains about the expense of drag racing good. It could yet even more expensive if if they were chopping and changing the formula. So what are the key. Technical Areas Th those gains coming from because I know the Americans conserve a fraction head out on the year top times but I mean they've got four five times as many events in so they tend to have more money as the mobile. When it comes to Britain she has to ocean crossings to do forestalled And you know that doesn't come cheap so The what made a big difference in the mid. Nineteen eighties was the development of the of the lockup clutch before that Data recorders. Now it's uniquely Violent Mechanical Environment And they eventually develop data recorders that could function in that. Not on one of the things they discovered was that clutches was still slipping the finish line so they started to develop these Initially to stage lockup latches watches but things that would actually look properly at a at a given point on the track nowadays is multiple stage. Lock up clutch that has made a great deal of difference. but again you know the engines back then I don't know making four or five thousand horsepower. Now they're actually measured as putting out over for eleven thousand which is you know monumental amounts of stuff not very long? But when they're doing it as you say boy do you know about it. so it's in those refinements in particular and particularly the development of the clutches. You mentioned the the expense of what. Is that the ballpark cost for for running. One of these cars. One thing is. We differs our sport from the other motorsports easily. If you have a race car you can't raise we that you need to have spare parts for example when we are coming to FAA event we can have. We are having four qualifying rounds and then in elimination round day the maximum three round. Because you know the first round there are eight cars and four cars on the finals. So so We we have to be ready to make seven round in a weekend and when we are leaving Finland we normally have seven short blocks with us. Sit of heads for the same amount and a lot of spare parts and In qualifying days we are changing the parts. Like I told you that we are building up the car to be exactly the same way before route so that the cruelty can make the chestnuts central to make the car even faster. And when you're asking the Baltic prices it all depends if he can keep that Packet in one piece. These are not so You can use like in America. They don't they. Just throw the parts away and get the brand new ones from the shelf so to say because they are professionals and they are racing in different level compared to us here in Europe. But because we don't have the money the to do so we are trying to mercer if he can still use to part like Beeston's androids Beeston's getting squeezed and you around one run or the roads can't be getting to Length of other lengths can cro- so we are measuring that maybe happy after the race weekend and if still intolerance can still use them so money was everything is depending what has has happened to the parts but overall idea is at if you have six racy so year it will take you about two hundred thousand euros up to. I mean over that whatever you break so if you push the pedal down and something is going wrong you can destroy the whole end tale from oil pan to that in the actor and every between so nothing can be used but sometimes for example the injector campy used. All the cylinder hits can be used on the floor all the block or whatever can so it depends what happened but It's got a disaster and these. It's like a bottomless thome. Less twelve you can always put more and more money and they know how to say. There's no limit for that but with two hundred thousand thousand-year does if the season is going reasonably. Well you can live with it standard practice of course after every single run that the engine engine is dismantled completely rebuilt completely and indeed any other damage to the call has to be repaired As less pressure in in this country but in America in the NHRA because they're on live television They have a now between rounds and they will complete the whole dismantling and rebuilding process in about forty minutes. Everything completely stripped stripped down. That's just a sign up so ridiculous considering the what you're dealing with that I mean. Do you see some of this going on you. A yes when I spoke to Anita In September there is a there was some serious engine work gang. Although I think one one of Nita's team strength is not having these cataclysmic engine explosions very often you. You've got a very consistent season having a and I I think that's that's probably part of the game as well as how much do you do. You push especially when you're in the knockout stages getting to the finish in Rio you. You don't have to break the European record every time day you need to get to the end whereas some of the I mean when they when they go they guy. They're not really do small engine blogs do they. I mean it's sort of earthquake happens. Yeah that's right and That has been my behind of my success that the consistency is in a key role in tame or has been by so far and that really helps if he can be consistent and we will say in terms of getting three pots. I guess ask anybody. Who's got the Vegas Dave? What drag racing is would have seen some pretty enormous shunned happening upset you with fuels caused caused destroy so I guess that's what's the other kind of risk as well you could you can do damage? I guess that's something that as she talked about earlier. In the hand of the driver in terms of detecting when things are going wrong. You're getting yourself into that situation as far as as far as possible. But he's he doesn't have very safe. Let's put it that way and I can tell tell you that the person I'm how the housewife on the farm chicken farmer and I I don't take any risks in my life life but a test drive these ten thousand horsepower Tocqueville. trickster and I don't feel unsafe because maybe because my family is involved Volvo a building up the car. My husband is a seeing overall that the car is built in the right way. I think safe a that. That reminds you of other draws before particularly looking at perhaps a slightly older racing culture. They're used to and they outing. That looks Alex Unsafe and they get clashing closing. That looks interesting and then if you sit them in one of the guy that's I think about it anymore because they're in their environment that's not what they're thinking about their thinking. How do I go quicker? How do I win? It kind of goes away. The more you're into it. The more was way absolutely. You're right that's the way how it goes that very strongly built drag racing vehicles. Sometimes people again thing odor and he goes short distance straight line not much to it but that the drive here's a course cocooned in a roll cage which you don't get On second racing 'cause because you need lateral vision whereas you don't necessarily in in attracts too so you you have this unit that you'll Sort of cocooned in and I mean some crashes that you see Ian Drag racing course the problem with circuit racing is going straight ahead when you should be going around the corner. It's the opposite in drag racing. When you go round a corner when you should be going straight ahead A not so much in top fuel but Promo Code cars which are the full bodied. 'cause they they frighten me They have very low. Downforce don't force but they can hit over two hundred and forty miles an hour and sometimes you see them get the air under then they get a wiggle on and you can get some really monster crashes but invariably touch wood He says touching his head Dr Is very often will simply walk away. You cannot believe some of the accidents here. You see the drivers walk away from. Because they're so strongly build. Glad you mentioned promos. Actually we should probably cut that off because as as the national championship I suppose very loosely. You'd say it's the sort of British touring cars have dragged the bodies out dissimilar speaking to a couple of competitors actually wasn't wasn't a million miles as well and they are there. I mean. Obviously they're they're they're not named teams have Performance is the top few cars. But I noticed that as well. They diesel skin doubts because the field is half you huge rear wing and they let you know the the. The dimensions are such But with the with the Promo which they're almost silhouette cars on those like yes every Maros or mustangs or whatever but they're bespoke silhouettes but they do skip doubts because they don't have particularly much aero toward the kind of to me. They're a little bit like historic racing way of going about it and they do skipping dollars because there are three different engine types you can. Yes that's right. As well saying he's drag racing has equalization issues the same as well due to talk about the three different categories within the national championship. The original Promo codes were unbeknown Petrol Engines with soot Nitrous oxide injection and then they started incorporating Methanol engines or alcohol agents. They call him the state's blown alcohol engines as you would find in a top methanol dragster that type of thing and then the last ten years or so they've have gone turbo as well So you will an of the of the original type the nitrous engines the UN blow nitrous engines. They go wrote absolute monster sizes Limited effectively effectively. Yes I think the I think the limit at the moment is nine hundred ten cubic inches. So so you're looking at getting on for fifteen liters All packed into a A V8 block. Somebody wants describe them as miracles. Rotating mass of one thing to say you have a big engine like that but getting the daunting to work at that size is is the most extraordinary thing the the The supercharged Methanol engines in the turbo methanol engines are smaller capacities but it is the the effort to try and balanced those out and equalize them. That is a problem and it is The Promo codes are the designated class of the motor sport. UK Okay formerly MSA pretty strong racing championship to also mention that when you say turbos and superstars the limit on capacity. They are still over eight lead. Yeah that's still I think people to can am and when Porsche Turbo charging into that People McLeod who can we get any more out. The chevys eight point two ebbing fifteen liters with with the non turbo shelter sabotage leaders. Overtly to reality is pretty and I think the next year air in the states They're raising the UNE blown limit to nine hundred fifty nine cubic inches. I think so you are looking at. I think Over probably over fifteen liters in that so but marine science monument in this country at least the supercharging seems to be marginally the one to say. Yes yes they tend to go. You get the highest speeds from the turbo. 'cause they tend to launch more slowly but then gather speed more quickly so they European Record is held by a speed record held by turbo car. Two hundred and sixty miles now but the elapsed time records Of being held all along by supercharged methanol 'cause so I'm Not a huge amount to choose between them but it certainly the traditional on blown cars that seemed to be seemed to be at a disadvantage disadvantage. has anyone ever tried to do a sort of a lunch. Adulterous for portraits. US will vote with supercharged and turbocharged can operate in different parts of it was that that explicitly implicitly forbidden under those rules. Yes but I dare say that people have attempted dot kind of thing in you know I mean this is how the pro MoD started did for as an outlaw class in America They decided to erase In the deep South where they go in for that full bodied cars. I mean it's the home of Nascar and back in a mid nineteen eighties. A few races there decided they wanted the debris away from the rules and they were particularly keen on the fifty five fifty. Seven Chevy shape though known as shoebox races and cramming big engines into that They became very popular and outer that. became this distinct class known as pro MoD. It is quite fun Sean. Spot the sort of silhouettes. What they're what they're based the story of a new comer? You've got motoracing background. Yeah that's tomorrow because what call one. This year was a plymouth super wasn't it that's right. Yeah yeah she's a it. It wasn't as if we have more diversity. In Europe. We slow as in the Americans. Needless to say on the pro MODs but might more more diverse body shapes. You go to the states now and Most of the Promo seemed to be I the current vehicles or late nineteen sixties. But you know you come here and we The earliest type body Shell. We've had here is a nineteen thirty eight four coupet Lost ears when not this year's ears but lost ears is a nineteen fifty one Chevrolet Business Coupe A Swedish car You know great character. These vehicles had and yet he could still run like the clap is to essentially see this this references to what we're doing in the US the US is kind of the how you move a drag racing. Nhra's Bryson like somebody just taking about so when you start to see you got the the interesting to come from anew in the US but think you started in in Finland the knee that saw him walk. WH- what sort of difference what what was going on in Finland what we what. We Racing Hanson. How how Wall Street lights operate in in kind of Europe as a as a drag racer competes sir? kind of perhaps what people might be more familiar with in in In in the US. Well I started. Of course the gas dragster between how much smaller than compared to these nitric sisters so the first steps raising in Finland. It was all about American American cars and they were like ordinary. STREETCARS and like Robin. Say that it's all about the history of WHO's having the fastest fastest car and Those days are so to say gone in our sport and everything is coming more and more like professional racing and over the years Of course we are following. What's happening in date because they have so much more races in annual pace they compared to us us so all the development is happening there? And that's why all the parts are coming there as well although the calls come from there that Bhutto to two year have you ever had sort of A desire to go and compete over in America so there have been Europeans of have gone on and tried some have been quiet glide competitively. So is that something you've been tempted by. It's going to go and say well I have to tell you. I'm so happy here. In Europe I have here. I know the tracks I know that officials resuls I know the fellow racers. I have my own friends at the race ways so I'm happy here. Maybe the early days because there was no difference between Venus American tracks and European tracks so we Europeans where we were dreaming that it would be so cool to American tracks and see how my car would work in the subsequent track but now the tracks here in Europe are so good as well. The difference is getting smaller and smaller compared to American contract so I don't see that they can do a very much faster instate anymore due to the track anymore so while I'm happy here but they'll say drag racing. It's kind of a minority. Might despoiling year of his name is not as many doing it. But it's obscene this quite a a small but very determined enthusiastic group of people doing it so I guess slice I you know. Look people guesses quarter a close community arounds around Europe it is it's like When I was thinking that what keeps me hooked the sport while Tease Betide of course ray actual racing east social life there because we are good friends and you're staying the night over at the area most of us so we are having who Lucena like Time to have a chat and get to know each others and that's part of our sports as well the social life and I'm very fond of that as well because at the pit area the life is it's unclean to be dirty and It's a luxury life but I love it all. I think that's a good. I includes the fans as well. I think that's why I mean I was taken aback. GonNa I went the number of people. There I mean it's an equivalent circuit bearing in mind that it's not a big circuit you've got people spread it around. You know. I'd I'd like to a good British touring car crowd in. I said top-end of a national or oh a big story making or something like that but I think Paul is because the the crowd defillo involve not just because they can see the whole run so in the crew goes to join the driver in rob they call often. They're waving they're going to be cheap especially it's been a good run. Everyone kind of it does feel everyone's involved in it and all the although I'm sure there are fans of individual vigil drivers and teams. Everyone just wants to see a really good run. They just WanNa see the numbers. Come up at the end with a record ron or personal best or something I think everyone conjugates be invested in it. It's it's actually quite a theatrical sport inasmuch as it all takes place in front of you On on the stage as it were whereas you go to a second race and people drive pasta and then vanish and then they come back and drive past you again. All this entire drama. The thing is carried out each individual matchup really is a drama in itself and it gets it takes place on the stage In front of you and you've got the audience Lined up on either side around it so it it gives that kind of an amphitheater atmosphere. Perhaps and it's not just the right. There is because the burn out the star as I'm drivers seemed to do most of the realm before backing up again so that kind of Austin Spectacular Pacu and then they're edging forward into the box so it kind of even though they caught short runs the e. s. over very short episodes of of a drama each time yes is also one thing that's been mentioned in passing with the same in each. He's kind of a family. The family team which I guess is although unusually it sounds quite important mm Fang and so so if you kind of did your family have you rub the Molenaar as we saw this kind of a drag racing family effectively just popey lock on From state who said that the family that race together stays together and if you can share the same passion with your family. Hey Hey how lucky you are. And I'm blessed with a family who is who one of them likes the sport of course when the kids way young like five six or seven years old. They have the choice to stay at home if mom and dad went to the raceway so we always took the kids with us and Obviously they are years that they get a little bit board but you know kids they easily pick up their own small tasks thicken clean salting and when they feel that they are part of the team that keeps them hooked. I swell among all now Paul. The night that's right. My daughter daughter Hannah cease working at helping them sealing the heads and assembling the short blocks with my husband and my son is taking taking care of our clients. So it's really family business so you call it places. They've gone down the civil engineering mechanical solid than the coma. I want to get in and have a guy. Cain one day if that happens Maybe I will join the MOMS club and I'll be worried what will happened if I'll give this car to my dear daughter or son and it's kind of funny that when you're driving yourself you feel how to say I can handle earliest but Kenema small daughter or some do that or even my husband. My husband is having coffee license as well. So it's different and if you're travelling yourself or keep the car to your dear once. Maybe she did another public vote. Isn't you do public with your husband. Say which one of you would get the drawing. That's why isn't it. Yeah it's it's it's more because of fun boy well my husband. So gentleman he always as you can have the seat. You did how you did have kind of a break in your career see at a at a family and oh those fulltime three of them have come in recent years I saw in the second half of your of your career. She recites that is quite unusual cease of a career break. You can come back and be even more successful that's right. I think that's very common Indo Women's sports overall whatever sport. That is the when you're having your family after kids. Your career is done but I had the possibility okay. It was me my husband who returned back to racing and I just went to see Thomas Raising kids and I noticed that my our kids krone so that they may not dangerous to the cars anymore and the causeway not dangerous kids and then would you like to try unless is it. He S and here. I am still and it's probably worth mentioning the right isn't it because you're I taught in two thousand anything of what what was happening elsewhere in most would put it in context marks you macro was just about to win his third world title. Jason Plato. Just started in British touring car. So that's a lessening credible longevity to remain competitive over. That's is that is that quite normal. People stay in drag racing for a long time in Europe at Lee we. Oh yes in America as well. There are people who are having a like a long career but Even off the thirty years I still feel can learn more and that keeps me still driving. I still feel that first of all of course I have to be competitive. I can't be competitive. DT And I can still learn can still go fast and in our sport experience bay play such peak kroll as well the mall. You know how to handle that. Ten thousand horsepower cars. The more you can the bitter you are although Oh of course the eight might slow you down but The other areas you can still say you can still be good or better than the other ones. What's interesting because that kind of drag racing about reactions arms and that kind of thing so I kind of think it? Ah kind of a very young person's guide but clearly it. It isn't an I guess. The Fat eubanks is successful now. So my success when in the Palestinians does support support. You say that experiences incredibly valuable experience is the book what can possibly go wrong in drag racing. It's very thick and although it is very short time we are driving but so many different things can happen and If these small mechanical problem glum it's all about. It's all about if the traffic can still handle and take the win although whatever happened and Maybe the thing is that whatever happens before you're going over the finish line you have to try to do your best. And after you're gone over the the finish line then the game is over and you never know the other one might get protest like few centimeters before the finish line. Never give up. And I'm Mike Car is built at. I don't actually see the other car at all. I don't ever know where the other car of course it so much in front at the it's offers but if it's like next to me we don't know which call one we racer so when we go over the finish line and slow down and just wait for our crews to come because of We don't always know which one one. But when we see the tow car coming with honing the Eh Carr and plinking the lights and tearing out okay. That's my car my car. I might give away then isn't it. I wonder at the point where you're talking about identifying problems before they develop and probably I imagine this truth Motorsport General Sport. Generally you probably probably say even if your reaction time falling away slightly you poorly make up for that then defying that potential problem earlier because you go all. This is like a sub-conscious though. I imagine this is like like such and such time I need to do this. Stop that happening where somebody who doesn't have the experience it's happening and they're reacting to it and so with the public that's right. Yeah yeah absolutely but to compete. I mean if the other car works as it's supposed to work than it is hard to beat if he's like mechanical the problems of course you have to try that. UK usually get what is known as a pedal fast in eliminations. Obviously it's it's who gets to the finish line first that wins and it doesn't always mean you're you're running to maximum we An extremely good example of that that was The European finals about seven or eight eight or nine years ago When it came down to the championship and ship came down to the very final run the final round between Earth Air Backer and Hristo Potanin another Finished driver and and both of them struck the ties at the launch and They were on and then the off and on and smoking the whole way up and it was. It's it's one of the most memorable final rounds at anyone has ever seen in actual fact I think And you know they managed five or six seconds. John's I think in the end when they got there but it was it. Was this on off on off all the time. Neither car was working as it should have done But get to the finish line. First and the winner was the champion for the year. So and that's where the nature of the event changes isn't it 'cause during the qualifying if you do have a problem as normally shutdown down and there's no point in putting strain through the components whereas once you into the knockout you'd never know someone is having even worse problem than you so you just you just have to keep going. I think that's idealized. Some of the terminology pedal fast food is always star guest on To BARRINGTON BOYLSTON expert. About how wade is kind of a neater set in terms of the rights in the European and Anita currently is is the the European drag racing superstar Victory of the European finals in September was her fifteenth FAA Top few win which puts a six ahead of the nearest challenger on the wind list. There's about well if it doesn't events a year so yes yes yes so she's dominant At the moment and she's one of well at that the European finals we had eight top fuel fuel cars and four of them were driven by women and An eternity qualified third. I think didn't you'll not but DOT COM The eliminations day absolutely size lose the opposition Who you know weren't up to scratch and so so forth and yet Anita wanted straight through So extremely impressive display there is a need to the any particular the draw. You're looking out for the cipher next season of thing and they're going to be difficult debate or or you say focused on your own game that you're not really to build that who you're up against when I wake up on Sunday morning. I'm only thinking that whoever is coming I have to beat if I want to win. You have to beat them all. If you WanNa win you have to beat them all so I keep on telling myself and actually. I don't pay very much attention. Who is on the other line KS? All might sport focus on doing your job giving giving Roy because that's not to worry about without thinking about anyone else's anyone else is doing but I'm I'm very keen now and getting the two sons opponents I was. I was just looking through your actually the sensible very very busy event calendar sense now in the course of the year Not all at weekends Not all listed on there. I mean we have drifting events almost every week I think Wednesday afternoons which. We don't advertise not a spectator prevent such but is pack the place out with with drifters. They will come in. So there's essentially something for everybody that of the conventional drag races as it. Were there only well airfield more now. I think that probably only about eight in the course of the year but so many other the things we Volkswagen events there some of the biggest that we have and different Different Karl Marx and Family Events Um and you have your own historic event historic tends to go track styles. Yeah well we actually have story events on that right yes yeah nostalgia. Drag racing is what it is drag style and that's a relatively recent event. Dr- Nostalgia Races have been taking place Since the nineteen nineties They tended to hold them at The now defunct Shakespeare County raceway long master near Stratford-on-avon But we developed drag style. I think twenty thirty was the first year that it was on his now become a very large Event and but we also have a couple of other The hot rod drags and and The nostalgia nationals wish both migrated over to us from Shakespeare County And there's also the vintage hot Rod Association have a race as well so you're quite Well covered you know if if historic drag racing is your thing The drag style is is the biggest best best of the lot. I want one other thing mentioned in now. No one's primary to say it's on the face of it. It's quite complicated the different classes. I feel viewing whole event. The Oxygen Carter's in different things. You can go in for by my experience. The the programs of really helpful they wanted this essential reading. I think if your new comer to sit there and go through and it's really good and explains what you're watching and then you can get your all in our says that'd be my recommendation to any in November. Two goes to get the program and actually I did enjoy that because at the back of the set. I've got a glossary with lots of those fabulous Jack racing terms that you enjoy. I'm enjoying enjoy them. Definitely GonNa get so I guess the ones that stand out as you got the first and last rounds of the European Championship says one on the for those in the UK year the Spring Bank holiday in May so may twenty any seconds a twenty fifth and then September thirteenth. For the for the finale. Those are the ones that are absolutely there are two Primedia Crimea races We tracked too big crowd. We attract all the top teams from Europe. And that's the next time we shall see Anita presumably unless you have to becoming tested rested Easter or something of that sold but Yes the round one of the European Championships Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May other active. The venues for proper drake's no not any more sadly the other MSA or Motor Sport UK Sanctioned venue was Shakespeare County that has gone the way of Housing Estate Sadly And then there was your Chris way which has closed down beginning to be reborn again. I think in a small way for various reasons so Santa Pod is actually now the only functioning permanent drag strip in the country entry. I mean they have they wrote run Drag events at other locations fields and so forth on a on a fairly small-scale l. basis. But you're not going to see the top fuel dragsters and so forth nowadays Years ago you could maybe run those airfield sites nowadays you can't you need. The purpose has built the proper tracks with proper safety equipment and so forth and he's how many top venues in in Finland is that sort of there. Is that one Goto or more only one one. FAA event but they of course they are like in local races as well for a smaller category cars cars and Maybe like There are two different Two tracks in Finland or and then they have like a street meet STREET STREETCAR SCANNED RACE. Like airfields on that stuff so but only one. If I ate event similar to Zahir that in that regard that's got some old tracks thing that's persuade Silverstein smell some of the phone circuits of God. Sir Who dragster famously famously Hockenheim can hook nosed foreign to some of the jobs that can keep the good apple. Rain's GonNa says Oh yes whereas its big deal in in In Arabia Bahrain and Abu Dhabi and The country's is the busiest form of motorsport which people don't really recognize one of of your Former colleagues on on arrival Publications several years ago wrote A review of motor support in the in the the Persian Gulf area And I spoke to him after that and he said to me you know. What the busiest type of motor racing is there? I said yes I do. Actually he said yeah drag racing and there's a lot of it not not at the top fuel level but Street 'cause Promo type cars and so forth. It's it's A great deal going on there. You can see well it just from seeing what's on the roads actually places a lot Bahrain Lorraine into by an abbey some questionable driving Messo. So I understand I never get to but yes and you can see the on if she said the American cockroaches very obvious. That's that's a good gives us a kind of a a growth area Well it's been fascinating you to get a bit of understanding of it really Joy I'm honored to work out whether either those European championship rounds. It's a sensible cash for next year if they don't all definitely be along to as otherwise. I saw him much more than meets the eye to this to this kind of thing and also so many analogues with the rest of my exposure. Recite Sir. My Noviny coolness still assigned thing isn't it. Thanks very much. I need some accurate Jackson. Kevin Sooner so please checkout autosport dot com for latest in the world of formula. The rest of Motorsport. Let's magazine out. Every Thursday the US will put cast out normally every Monday and Thursday. And you can find that wherever you found this. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back same with another. We'll we'll put cost The music is six. Am By treeline written by Marcus. Awka Simmons See soundcloud dot com forward slash. Trio Music

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Border patrol

"This is an ABC. Podcast on our in this. Is David Rutledge with the philosophy done? Welcome to the program and a conversation this week about borders and the question of EPA stanic injustice who gets to determine the things that are worth and what kind of knowledge counts as belonging to US citizens of Australia. There is an island isolated in a silent ocean with people held prisoner. The people cannot experience the world beyond the island that cannot see the immediate society outside the prison and they certainly do not learn about what takes place in other parts of the world. They only see each other and hear the stories they tell one another. This is their reality. They are frustrated by isolation and incarceration. They've also been taught to accept the predicament. New Somehow enters the prison about another island with the mind is free to know and create the prisoners given a sense of what life is like on the other island but they do not have the capacity or experience to understand fully. The people on the other island have special inside. They see things that the prisoners cannot create things at the prisoners cannot and they certainly know things that the prisoners cannot. Some of the prisoners resent the people on the other island. Some simply do not understand the people there will try to undermine them. Some are indifferent to the other society. Some prisoners feel pity for them because they are confident that their own situation is changing for the better and will eventually provide greater freedoms the two islands of polar opposites one island kills vision creativity and knowledge. It imprisons thought the other island foster's vision creativity and knowledge. It is a land. The mind is free. The first island is a settling state called Australia. And the prisoners of settlers. The second island contains man's prison and knowledge resides there with the incarcerated refugees. Well if you've read the extraordinary account of life in immigration detention on Manus island that was written by the Kurdish Iranian journalist. Bayrou's Bhutani then you'll know that the book includes two essays written by the translator. Towfighi on what you heard. There was an excerpt from one of those essays. Read by Towfighi. And who is my guest? This week I made is an adjunct lecturer at the University of New South Wales in the school of the odds and media. He's also attached to the Department of Philosophy at the University of Sydney. And until recently he worked in philosophy at the American University in Cairo. So a solid academic philosophical background. Which makes it interesting. That amid considers himself a counter philosopher. I think since I began studying philosophy engaging in discussions and debates on philosophical topics I always saw myself as introducing concerned with things that maybe weren't necessarily a priority for many of the Visitors interacting with in fact. I think about found philosophy as a way of might be reclaiming philosophy for myself and for people like me who are passionate about Philosophical Inquiry and also community in many other. Things that may be don't traditionally fit together very well. So for instance Recognizing and engaging with systems of thought and forms of reasoning and particular topics and issues that may be Philosophy deeply in recent times is sort of relegated to other disciplines. I read a nice quote recently from Arundhati Roy. She was talking about the way in which a lot of what happens in the world happens outside the realm of common human understanding and. She says that it's the right as the poets. The artists the seniors the filmmakers who can make connections who can find ways of bringing it into the realm of common understanding. And I read that and I thought what about the philosopher's because it it seems as though on paper at least that is what philosophy is supposed to do so the forge new understandings new ways of thinking about the world and then bring those into the realm of common human understanding but then I wonder sometimes about the extent to which the academy really allows for that. What are your thoughts on that? I really liked that quote. In fact it reminds me of why a interested in themes and topics related to popular culture and also the nature of knowledge production. So I think. Professional Philosophy is particularly characterized by certain bordering practices in the way that philosophy takes shape in different contexts and especially within institutions academic institutions. I think that it's it. Reinforces some of those bordering practices Rather than transform them so essentially. I think yes. Professional Philosphy can sign something significant To the common understanding but I think that it needs to take new directions. I think that a certain kind of disruption needs to take place especially in terms of pedagogy and organizational culture. So for me. When I think about autism I think about the bordering Consider boards to be material and symbolic but also epidemic. In fact this kind of deporting practice. It's kind of disruption is essentially what philosophy has always aimed to do floss out. Philosophy is always seen itself characterized itself in fact. The same self is doing something. Completely distinct counter to what philosophy always done through different periods and in different places in fact I see myself as carrying on a long tradition or a working within a tradition. That has given philosophy's reputation. Awhile of well. This leads nicely into your work that you've done with Behrouz You've you've described his writing and in fact his entire way of being as part of a D. bordering practice and he's had a very interesting influence on on your understanding of philosophy your philosophical work. We'll get to that in a minute. But first of all I like to talk about his work which you describe as an anti in in what sense is Beirut Johnny's working anti genre why I started translating roost I noticed that First of all I started with these journalism I noticed that. Choose using different techniques and styles and approaches Something that I wasn't familiar with in terms of journalism and he was Transgressing a lot of the Conventions and expectations when it came to journalism. So for me. It was something fresh unique. Also something really inspiring and the ad marable particularly when since it was coming from within the prison so in fact I saw what he was doing is not just a way of conveying information about what he was going through and what people around him were going through but it was also a new way of knowledge production and in fact it was a critique of the very medium so once I started translating his book I noticed that that that was taken to a whole new level. I started reading the first chapter. Assad translate with US chapter on news from the various pages. This was going to be amassed the base. Now what struck me was the way that he was fusing philosophic who meditation with Psychoanalytic Examination with political commentary and on top of that with styles and other forms any particular. Oh what was impressed. With is the why. He was working in myth and epic in folklore into his writing. That's very interesting. Not something that you expect to find in philosophy and but you've you've said that the translation work that you did together was a former shared philosophical activity in in. What sense was that the case? What's interesting I was thinking about this notion of Angie Genre and When I started to look into it a little bit further I noticed that dumped riders such as the Eski were interpreted in terms of Nature he's work is also referred to as anti genre in some cases myself. I consider even Plato to be Dialogues to be anti genre in some senses well the fusion of of medicine philosophy and maybe some other styles and in frameworks that. I think the anti genre is not a maybe hasn't been appreciated enough tons of the philosophical tradition at something. I'd like to explore further in the future but in terms of creating a working with Aarhus on north end but the mountains a thought about the interactions that I was having in the collaborations engaged in with other colleagues with other friends and a stop to think about the way that this book was taking shape way. This was being produced so To give you a rough outline Bedford was writing text messages on his phone Sending them out through. What's up and these messages? He had started even before I met him. He'd started sending the messages to another translator. His translator Munising Soobee who lives in Sydney and based on Bishop's Instructions. Mona would compile these text messages into chapters and when I came onto the project has written about thirty percent of the book in draft phone and want US had compiled earlier messages into chapters and she emailed them to me once people need to PDF seat she traded PDF's so when our first few chapters of basically looking at every chapter as one long text message so every week to meet with Munis Man. Soobee or another friend. Such cab Gani. We've made and we discussed my translation. That will you could say my translation consultants so it was really interesting. In Complex dynamic relationship going on between translators and confidence and in friends and Bedrooms also was sending the original fosse sometimes to friends if he's in Iran for feedback. So I thought to myself. Some of the study can know each other some stunning Haven't had any contact But we're all working towards the same goal. There's something interesting happening here. And we will talk about the collaboration that we We're engaged with with Visuals and it was amazing. It was remarkable that we both had the same experience. Sometimes I would make suggestions the bedrooms and he would say I was actually thinking about the exact same thing He would make suggestions to made and owed maybe died earlier. Today's early or even the same date would be thinking exactly the same thing. So something remarkable taking place here and also thought about this in relation to some work done in philosophy in the area of metaphysics personal identity. You know the the idea that This one body multiple identities. Maybe what's happening? Here is a a particular way of thinking particular way of knowing a alive? Identifying that involves bodies one mind I mean I noticed that there's a whole area philosophy that looks at joint commitments. Collective intention Shade Agency Collective Purpose Joint Lakes are really felt that those particular kind of Of Full so purpose That I think has a resonates with philosophical debates and discussions and I think also there's an ethical dimension to it as well which makes it even more interesting the way that we will all we will fill Kind of judy towards he streets woods are challenging in the injustices that were taking place We will fill the urgency when it came to this book. Coming out into the world sub. It's remarkably ripe for philosophic investigation. Not only the book itself but also the the process the mode of production on our in your in philosophy zone with me. David Rutledge and my guest this week amid to begin we're talking about refugees often spoken and written about as victims people who inhabit the far side of a boundary separating them from all the things that we citizens know and love about our homeland. But what if the refugee actually knows things about our country that we don't things that maybe we should know in the interest of our own security and freedom One of the reasons I feel so driven to work on this project within the Book Project. An and then continue afterwards is the fact that sustainable long-term transformation needs address the underlying narrative of ideology gives rise to these kinds of sites these these forms of violence. And I think what bidders was doing was creating a new narrative about half think about refugees. he was breaking down this idea this notion of refugees as wake needy supplicants as broken people as the unknown as the in. Maybe this is something. That's a factor in communities in in groups and individuals right across the political spectrum. The idea that there is this Dichotomy between the non-citizen it isn't between the displaced the exalt per cent and the person. We citizen privilege and I think what who's was doing was What he continues to do is really disrupt that narrative. It's the narrative that drives so much of the border politics that we we see now and we've been a part of the strategies experience with my reengaging with migrants and in fact all the way back to invasion it's part of the why. Ustralia was set up as a appeal colony and it features in so many other aspects of Australia's history the way prisons have multiplied the way that the replicated the main replicated not just detention centers Prison camps but even we could consider missions and reserves and cattle stations. Where original source right onto people were contained? And then we've got through the history of Australia and we see this story continuing and taking new foams and developing in the technology is improving as a result of these experiences. So what has been trying to do with? His work is decide that the data the reports the journalism at everything that has been produced to try to explain what happens in these sites the situations that are the outcome of this particular. A narrative will never quite penetrate oral. Never quite disrupt the underlying ideology the the driving force behind these particular policies taking actions in order to really transform the situation in order to really move forward required us to basically challenge Festival acknowledge identify that narrative and then challenge it with a new narrative. And I think that's what's important about. His work is that he's He's replacing that narrative with something new and in this case. Suddenly the refugee refugee is no longer a week. Needy supplicants no longer broken no longer other outside. Ah concentrate refugees. Shung Society of Australia. That we may not have seen before We didn't think the state was capable of the incarcerated. Refugee knows more about Stralia than Thus ending fact differences indicating that there is some very close connection between what's happening on the small island on And the Big Island in Australia. It's possible that the kind of technologies of domination control subjugation. A somehow seeping into our own political culture into our own society and so in this case the incarcerated refugee becomes a knowledge producer becomes someone. Who's empowered someone who is liberated themselves and he's basically engaging with us on their terms will elect finish up by talking a little about your work I know that you're writing a book at the moment about displacement and exile as philosophical positions and. That sounds really interesting. Can you give me just a brief thumbnail? Sketch of the terrain. That book is going to be covering and if it may be draws on your own experiences of displacement and exile in Iranian side. He ended in Australian Society that I know you've talked before. Yes thank you for raising. This gives me an opportunity to reflect on some of the My own philosophical work away from the the philosophical the shade philosophical activity that I'm engaged with Belarus and another activists one factor that really facilitated. My interaction with bedrooms was the fact that we both come from marginalized groups in Iranian society so bid was being Occurred and also from a rural area in Iran and my family would discriminated against Iran Based on socio religious status. So that's one thing that really connected name Beck who is The other thing was Defected My family left Iran around the time of the revolution and we had left them will planning to migrate to the United States and that was disrupted as a result of the hostage crisis into Iran At the US embassy and so after a number of years full five years in the United States. We weren't able to stay there. It's the story is very complicated but We want to gain citizenship to remain in the United States and at that time An opportunity came up to come to Australia so It's very interesting that when we came to Australia. It was less than ten years after the White Australia. Policy was officially abolished and the way that the state engaged with us at that time. It was complete contrast with what's Refugees from Iran are experiencing now so the strain consulate made special documents. I be able to travel to Australia. And the whole process took less than two months to finalize any- in fact my father originally wasn't very interested in coming to Australia and Mris I interview Striding concealed actually coal to ask him why he didn't happen and was really keen in terms of offering him another interview. So I mean there's just so many details there that show that how fluid and if a changing and also unfair a border politics politics are related to migration can be so I think these particular stories and the stories that are heard growing up a family members and friends really informed my way of thinking my wife engaging Kind of questions. I asked the concerns that I had the insights that are brought to the table when interacting and collaborating so the the the book project the Academic Book that I'm thinking about is Bringing together My interest in popular culture displacement in exile particularly A lot of work important work critical. Border Studies critical philosophy of race Social Epistemology Sahira I build on some work that is being done by philosophers such as Miranda freak out Elizabeth Andersen Christie Dotson. Charles Mills Medina my argument essentially is that when it comes to people who are displaced in exile. Ngos advocates campaigns organizations. So much can be done in in these isis so much can be contributed in terms of supporting refugees but if certain kinds of issues points on address if they're not integral to the campaigns to the Support Networks then. It's highly likely that that particular narrative those discussing early that ideology underlying ideology related to displace exult people's that can continue. And so here. I'm thinking about not just systemic change but also changing the social imaginary and for that take place I think something more than just philosophical arguments Unnecessary something more than than just. The critical inquiry is needed. And he I think Popular Culture Literature and Storytelling. I think a pivotal and I think can inform us. Allow us to into new spaces. Where the imbalanced that characterizes. The relationship between citizen and non citizen can be broken down in new collaborations new forms of solidarity. Take place okay. So this is where the issue of pride comes in. Doesn't it because I know you've been thinking about how a certain notion of pride can be instrumental in making these changes within the social imaginary to To shift the popular understanding of refugees and migrants as weak and helpless and drain on the resources and the goodwill of the state. So tell me about that. Pride so There's some important work done by Elizabeth Bonds. She wrote a a very good book called the minority Buddy about a specific justice and disability. And there she raises the importance of a pride movements and she. I've used that tried is In in terms of its emotive support. It's a way of combating shame creating solidarity and collectively building self esteem and also building agency but she She goes beyond that to argue. That pride also has an Islamic value and it helps us to know things that otherwise cannot be known and this is in the context of disability now. She argues that the it's politically important. And it encodes new knowledge. So's inspired by this and thinking that maybe we can start thinking about displacement in exile in the same way as helping US people who've had experiences displacement Exhau- as helping us to know things that cannot otherwise be on and also the fact that new knowledge is created if the right kind of infrastructure of kind of settings Devised a developed. Will this talk of pride? Makes me think of Anzac Day which has just passed? And and which not this year but traditionally provides an occasion for a certain kind of celebration. Rodman busting out the flag and taking pride in being Australian but in recent years. We've seen that pride become a little like the pride associated with January twenty six. It's also occasion for the extreme right and other exclusionary elements to make their voices heard. What are your thoughts on that? Well there's a look to say about these side is topic the Especially when it comes to the discussion that we had about narrative in the the influence of narrative on a social political and also epidemic level. But I think what one thing I should clarify is when I talk about pride. I don't mean Hubris or arrogance in fact pride here in relation to displaced Exalt People's and also the way that Elizabeth Bounds uses it in relation to disability is about inviting groups in other Noah's into the conversation it's about relations -ality it's about not excluding bordering He what This particular approach trust emphasizes the relationship between pride and knowledge in a way that is not a foolish pride or a destructive kind of confidence. It's a kind of bottom up approach rather than a top-down approach it's about allowing communities the space the freedom to dabble to empower themselves to create new platforms the thinking for engaging and also to share that with other communities and bring other communities in so there are new compensation taking place new forms of solidarity new kinds of action And this itself. This kind of intersection between different communities. Who who are acknowledged as being different kinds of knowledge producers suddenly gets dress opportunities to create. New Knowledge is so all of these negative aspects that I'm contrasting with this particular kind of pride. I'm proposing that I'm suggesting Clearly you can see the connections with the kind of ugly nationalism. The exploits historical events exploit politics and creates a kind of narrative. He's based on new foams of bordering yukons of exclusion new forms of uttering so indicates that I'm talking about in the kind of pride that I'm suggesting he. He suddenly say the epidemic consequences and combining with development of ocher and this kind of new fusion. These new relationship. I think he's a is a fair justification of certain pride movements. There's a very specific use of pride in this context that I'm using it and we can think about pride. Movements such as indigenous sovereignty movements We could think about black lives matter. We could consider gay. Pride for instance all of these different kinds of pride movements I think a distinctly different To something like what Supremacist. Movement soul destructive forms of nationalism so. I think really serious philosophical analysis of pride he can be really fruitful Particularly when understanding the situation of despite an exalt people particularly because so many experiences of displacement in exile a scene in terms of that kind of weak needy at deficit model rather than as people who can contribute something intellectually culturally politically to our social landscape. Towfighi in bringing us to the end of the philosophy zone for this week and is an adjunct lecturer in the school of the arts and media at the University of New South Wales and honorary research associate in philosophy at the University of Sydney. And he's translate of no friend the mountains writing from menace prison by BECQUERELS BHUTANI and we're GonNa put publication details and whole lot of other relevant reading on the website. Just go to the RN website and look for the Philosophy Zayn on the program Menu. I'm David Rutledge. Great to have you company this week and I will see you next time. 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HBOs Our Boys, a Brutally Truthful Depiction of the Effects of Hate Crime

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15:39 min | 1 year ago

HBOs Our Boys, a Brutally Truthful Depiction of the Effects of Hate Crime

"W._n._y._c. studios is supported by i._f._c. Films and the new film offical secrets from the director of eye in the sky based on the true story of catherine gun a british spy by who risked a death sentence to make public own government's efforts to lie to take the country to war starring keira knightley ray fines and matt smith in select theaters august thirtieth. The new yorker podcast is supported by indeed dot com. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified. The candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash new yorker. That's indeed dot com slash new yorker. This is the politics politics and more podcast. I'm david i've been following the conflict between israel and the palestinians for many years and i've spent time there as a reporter trying to understand what the conflict is done to the people who live with it every single day i have not seen a depiction of the situation as complex and as deep as the ten part series called our boys a co production of of h._b._o. And the israeli studio keshet our boys tells a horrible true story in two thousand fourteen a palestinian teenager named mohammed abu kade'er was kidnapped burned and brutally murdered. His body was left in the jerusalem forest. The crime was an act of reprisal. Israeli extremists were retaliating for the murder of three israeli boys by hamas-linked group just weeks earlier. Our boys thoroughly examines just about all of the forces that led to the death of muhammad ahmadou hadera. It's not for the faint of heart it just isn't but if you want to understand the current of extremism and violence i really do recommend our boys to highly two of the creators of the show are haggai levy and tofig abu-l i reached him in tel aviv last week hug i. What was the starting point for this this project. How did you come to tell the story of the death of mohammed abu qadeer so i in the beginning <hes> we're autopilot for h._b._o. And the pilot focused more on the far right-wing groups in israel like he'll two boys or or how about you know really the <hes> the hilltop boys being settlers who were particularly radical living in the west bank exactly <hes> most of them kids actually <hes> but very very very violent and very messiah ideology and so on so in the beginning with you <hes> dear case only a starting point to go explore <hes> those groups and actually to understand the connection to those radical groups to the more political acl <hes> leaders until all the way to the government but felt it wasn't real enough. He wasn't true he was he was a fictional series is powered by a certain reality and starting events but he wasn't like true so by the time i call joseph cedar the director of the cedar whom i knew <hes> and and joseph <hes> asked me to explore more the case of beer itself a a that time <hes> trump was elected and we were in shock while not i q but we wear and i felt that this is something different. It's not about very it's not about religion or very extreme ideologies. This is what i at the time but more about hate and then we understood that what we want to do actually it's who examined the the the nature of hate crime off to make an anatomy of hate crime and this is what we were trying to do you also brought in a third person who's sitting with your right now traffic and towfighi i should it explained that you live within israel. You don't live in the west bank. You are a palestinian israeli. <hes> and i wonder how complicated your decision to get involved was tofig a actually it was like a story because <hes> <hes> <hes> usually and i i get calls from israeli filmmakers creators when they have something about arabs and all the time i say no this time eh joseph called me i just met in for a while and then i found myself travelling with him and with her guy levy to visit <hes> above their the family the parents of their <hes> hocine and soha and suddenly i i watch their pin the they're you know they're like something you can't. You can't imagine you see in especially in the in the moment so have face. They were very nervous about the fact back. Israel creators are going to tell their own story and just when they realized that i am the one who's going to tell their their their son story and it's something change in their faces and i can't forget that you know it's like something all the attention they had it. It's suddenly became like <hes> something you know even sweet in their faces when they're allies that i'm the one who was going to tell <hes> their own story and after that i had <hes> a lot of pressure from palestinians active activists palestinians not to make this <hes> <music> <hes> serious serious because <hes> it's a israeli production is only creators a regular to this kind of pressure showroom because i don't i don't deal with direct politics and it was very hard for me. I hesitated. I almost <hes> left to the making this show but accord hussein the father of mohamed there and <hes> i just <hes> told him about my hesitation and remember he told me if you're consensus is clear do it if not don't do it. You was so calm you know and then i understand that my own problems and it's like a very tiny for him for such a person who who passed <hes> such a tragedy and i decided to make it you know despite all the <hes> difficulties and the pressure i had so what was the collaboration like debates you had the arguments who had tried to conceive and write the story at such a deep bledel the story not only features the three young religious men who committed the murder. It also is about the palestinian family. It's about a woman who was a psychiatrist. I for one of the israelis it's an immensely complex story and i wonder what your debates were like your conversations your arguments <hes> so so so we had to bridge not only <hes> artistic differences you know and so that was one part of the problem i should say in the other other words to find the right narrative <hes> i i could bring the example of <hes> the tradition of who sent to win sense from comet five denver. He's brought to the police station when meera milan that. Could i sell the the scene that you're talking about is remarkable hussein who's just whose whose son is missing in jewel eventually be found dead beaten and burned to death is interrogated by the police. The israeli police not in a sense of sympathy but in a sense of suspicion on mentholatum battalion. I miss chef warm homeless dalton. I don't a lot of conversation me and he this suddenly dawns on him. Throughout the series. He's constantly in the middle. He he has forces on the palestinian side who who want him to <hes> not cooperate with the investigation and to become more politically radicalized is going to be used as a symbol and at the same time. He's a he's a father. He's a husband <hes> he's in the middle of so much in this drama absolutely lutely any has his own journey from just a very simple merchant to become a political figure and to take his pain into the political field <hes> so that was <hes> certain that specific scene i think phil different and and told us i was there i ah being interrogated here and there by you know in airports and so and this is how it looks like so that was kind of debate we had <hes> now a now you mentioned somewhere that there's a parallel between what happened in two thousand fourteen in in israel and the current political climate in the united states especially when it comes to something like the el paso shooting how what's the parallel that you see there so at a certain point. I felt that we are dealing with hate. Crime is which is not necessarily particular to israel <hes> hate crime. You know not something is going on all over america in europe towards immigrants towards <hes>. I don't know gates <hes> some mm. All kinds of minorities what i try to understand how <hes> what would cause these kind of eight crime in and what kind of that we tried to put here is that it's kind of a layered structure in a way that you have you know you have someone with something logical problem in some social economical problems and he's from the suburbs and the reads kind of even certain <hes> racism season towards himself and some other problems and if that kind of person meets with incitement at the right point that could create the perfect storm for hate. Crime is what we try to say. You've gotten some good reviews in the left. Wing israeli press in her arts most commonly quoted left-wing israeli newspaper but in the right wing jerusalem post i it said the series sins by encouraging the moral equivalency chorus. Have you gotten a lot of pushback on the show from critics both in the press and elsewhere where <hes> i can understand that these hard to understand our choice. You know you could argue. Why would you do a serious serious about jewish terror when so rare comparing to palestinian tori legitimate question <hes> so well. How do you answer the question region while the answer the that i have you know i can speak for myself. Is that i you always would like to begin to my own song. This is what i'm this is. What i'm doing an interesting i i do so it was very obvious for me to <hes> to understand between choir my own personally my own feelings of supreme. Are you ready may own <hes> racism. Might you know all of these things. I felt that threes <hes> have seldom and by by searching by <hes> gig gig in new specific story <hes>. I felt like i digging into myself and i'm done. I'm cutting personal story. It is not a serious of terror at all not the palestinian tour or or a jewish terror. It's it's not about terro- it's actually mainly about understanding the nature of some killer some killers of or or some murder and to understand why how could it happen and what are the circumstances that it could happen in so this is not about terror. It's it's about. It's about something else that i fully three prevalent for me a i. I just want to bring my my point of view about your question question. Why you choose to make this story you know because it's <hes> it's all the time you know the same question. You know as i see it you know here. Uh israel is on palestinian like live in their injury so mostly a lot of people will judge everything if it's against us of it's <hes> you know a good for us so you. You can't get away with the it to satisfy everybody. No because trump palestinian point of view vac-vacation itself is a terror. It's every day terror. You know like you know jewish people or settlers. Excuse me in jewish wishes i. It's i prefer to use the word israeli israeli people. It's <hes> the don't need to do it. You know because the system do it by by itself. Oh fund if so it's it's complicated. It's complicated for everybody and <hes> what they think. You know that the series you know didn't mean to satisfy anybody it just no tool like <hes> like haggai said it's to dig in story to dig in character to dig in yourself and also to be critical about you know the the situation of the society that you are dealing with by the way to dip lillian society as well as that pristina's society as as well as we see in yet. What does the telling of this story due to its audience what can do and what are the limits of what it can do. Yeah i'll tell you something <hes> i i come from a bereaved family. My brother died in lebanon war <hes> in the first of the war and and and you know my sister who just watched the couple first episodes said to me it was amazing for me to seize. Let's say th- about your family just a bereaved family as we are. You know this is the same agony the same pain as simple as it is. You don't use to sink about about their loss or ebony. Sink us even if you are very liberal l. and self aware and i think that's something that could <hes> that people can see in that series to pain in the other aside and that's <hes> and you know and change just for a minute petition from you know and let the other the victim for a moment how guy topic i want to thank you so much for for the work and your time today thank tim thank you so much bye guy levy and tofig abu-l the ten part series. Our boys is on h._b._o. Theo now.

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26:13 min | 10 months ago

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"You are listening. SCOPE beat radio. Hope wherever you listen to from you and your loved ones. A SAFE EARNS COPE in nineteen period. Hey, this is the produce GOPI radio DJ meal. Timeout to give a big thanks footer listeners to PA, we did record numbers last month so on behalf of Scorpion. Myself Inc for four years of support in Brandon on his mediator. If! You have a few minutes via. Please fill out a short list. A survey GOTO SCOOBY RADIO DOT COM slash poll. We'll show you opinions about the show, so we know what works and what we can do better than at school fee radio DOT COM Slash Poll S., C. O., P., deliver, be are a do, dot com slash he out. Don't worry if you cats. Any of that lake will be in the description. B. Radio with Brandon. Robinson. GOOFY radio. PODCASTS I host Joshua cakes senior writer for we are real radio and I am sitting here with. The man. Alleged Be, still be Brandon Robinson I do. Man. I'm good I'm the we know you are hardworking brother. You always spoke with everything in your work at against. In parallel, the IMF to others, and because of that, that's why you are these. Though. Being, said man. Weasel, jump right into the NBA off. Now you recently had right. Holland's NBA player entrance fees the end of Ryan man he came on your podcast in software developed Lebron's. In Cairo Irving and how Cari took some leadership. Roles advice from Lebron's James and he's list or so-called battle leadership from the Bronx. Antony Roberson went viral it crazy by the fact that how can you question? The Brian is a leader. Go and Denver audience. That may not have heard that you're your class in interviews. Going far, maybe wasn't Ryan Williams need by that state. Polaner the article left because I have been on the phone all about being around. Actually cool down. He rakes great. In the article the said. that Kyrie! Learn poor leadership. From. Jane! There some of the things that went on behind the scenes as it relates to the. Think is. Ten years from now we'll look at this and more will come out, but. Basically the quote was on. I can't Kansas Shadow. Eighty eleven matured of you as You've got to think he's twenty three point four by from six ask. looked at the school. On your heart rule who you are versus. Somebody, because just let me by his own knowing that I think the way to by the heads kind of left that inquiry. It was at business in something things that. You know hairiness poor. Lucia from the flyers stuff you. Did I reach I come into all wet. Backwell all people here. Poor leadership invites remember our James and I. I mean within context. Many people don't know all the workers. In the workings. One on the Cavalier Locker Room. The way it was described to me. Is that oftentimes, Iranian the class. because. Team. In the Lavar a back to Cleveland. And They're the belief that Iran Lou. Play favorites with. On one hand on the other. Lavar was allowed to do things. That I couldn't do. From organizational perspective as well as From A. Port perspective and I'll add. Specifically. Cairo did not save me. I got this second hand from someone else. I WANNA clarify, but it will say to me that how we felt as though. When the bronze steps in Rome, he sucks all the air out of the world. And that is all about him, and it's not just as seen. And when that what was said to me? It makes a Lotta sense on else. Hold me. Cynical on that in a lot of respects, kyrie irving isn't Kobe. Bryant, clay need native of both of them when you think about it. It's interesting to see Kobe mediator narrow because I think I've also said this. Some people have disagreements Jason McIntyre on Spooky. was. Civically that Kharian, Ron. Was Bishop rations coping? Check the handled it better. He said the difference between that was that shackling Kobe won multiple championships. And Hiring was warm. And I found got interesting about that statement about higher ee. Arab. We, you went to free agency last year. Those who want some of the things that commentators saying elements of players that one before because they. Him with the show. And there are some people who represent with one of the reasons why collide winner had second thoughts about coming to Los Angeles thank for the Lakers that we saw with the lack of patent. There Ryan has since. been more specific about it because everybody's. I recalled Ramlet. Think of really important point that you highlighted in the previous podcast. Run the war. That, we just recorded with desire to go check that out. Eventually be onboard Angkor on anger as a the other podcasts outlets on, you mentioned the fact that. I is received the way that he is because by Franklin. Not many people know powdery Rahu And you're one of the few people in the media. The actually have some that some type of. With Pavley and his camp, so you may give in-depth details in different analysis because relationship with him, and and his and his reputation representatives in his friends so. Hurry, as a leader. oftentimes it's spoken or misunderstood I think and because of the he does get a bad rep. part of that is because of the lease recalled. That went viral. Our was taken over the meeting and basically stating the fact that you know we shouldn't. We! We actually have another league or we started on our own, and you know how if you really really should question coming back to play the season I think. He got a bad rep for that because of the fact that. Although, he is being leader position that he's in within. The Players Association within that union also think that he was actually being lied about booking vocalizing his points. Statement say the realities of death situation which was. We are in a certain situation that although Copenhagen is relevant injustices relevant and we actually have a point. In time for now we're. Athens could actually get involved with no penalty. And because of that, why not take advantage of that platform continuing to be got against those just ask us that plan to create change and I'm nick went. Who Have Actually Been Oakland to that? Point out in public had been missed this route so us. no-one Kyrie and Having a relationship which have them. In you. Know in the fact that leads to. The outside has been questionable. Go more in depth on that analysis that he gave and do you really think he got? You should receive back less than he did for those eight minutes, and for those we'll talk before on the on the. High! kyw Read Ballplayer and hiring the vice president, one of the vice presidents of the Players Association get whooped together. This life. My Baby. Sister. She could save Ranan her brother different than me as journalists, you know there's similarities with their differences and I think that that gets lost in translation sometimes. I think that situation of. Office on the way he sells publicly, not dealing with the is grandfather. Dealing with from other things. Bought was not the team that was his preference. Specifically because if you go that the Cleveland. He requested a train which was made public. How did it become publicly? And I think that. A perception. He's a baby There's a perception that he was Arabic is a perception that he's our leader I think the perception that I have as much as you know. Are Cooling his friend and family and. Very well the one thing that I think is true. And I would faces. So carryover weather championship in Brooklyn. Everybody has the right to criticize. Because the thing about tyrod has always been said. He's not a winner without Lewa. What the funny thing is! I willing to argued that powdery. Within a competitive position to win before the good I just think that champions else in the perception of incident. Angry with New Orleans fire regard. The Predator that for Clare, but I think people start to really understand Kyri was twenty sixteen when they won. Because when he was at. The only played thirty games with the first pick. Just. Say. Hi. Everybody gets excited about the Steph Curry Klay at. The same wingels thirteen gains when you in high school though I replay like his all. When you look at the situation. Within a Cleveland. I've heard people say Sydney. The debt locker room That they were shocked himself that they won that championship. Six eight is a lot of. In that. Even these one three. Just guys, not getting along with found a way to win. And I'm going to say that some comes this auction. Reads Success. Also picked Rama's the type of person who is used to wise bowing is. Not that type of guy. I think it's a combination of. was that his whose father is who is support system is? I I was request when. Growing immediately Media, sermon Cleveland a reporter asked Avary of. House. Trigger for years life for. Before the anger. Recent Urban Mahara. Live. This perception that look the adults. And I think look. Was Cowards. So you know in those situations again think that I'm. It's interesting. It's interesting and. that. I think they were or five leadership as much as people make. I remained for leadership I think from a business. Perspective. I do think that the blonde caught on. I think that those guys are Are Bits benefited from each other. and. I think. The vocals win individually of will be. Agency debates for quite a while. Listening to Brandit soupy Robson senior writer, heavy dot, com. Brandon. Recent reports that just came out about the fact that the NBA's now working on creating a second bubble in the shy. I find it funny that they're trying to do that. Obviously, because of the fact that they want the players that aren't able to go to the Perth bubble to have their own games and to train for next season. At the same time it's intriguing location because he. was a hot spot. And we just got to a point where we started to level off and things. I've slowly, but surely starting to reopen. Yorker slow the. Getting into this thing of destination in that same route. and Stephen a Smith when I'll take actually recently and said. It with the rubble. Definitely being. On A, Potentially being a chaotic situation in Florida with the rising nineteen cases. He actually suggested they should move that bubble to new. York So as a someone that has a New York and Chicago. Do. This is the right move for the NBA to do, and do you. Think should New York Chicago. No Questions. No Keith? I think. I as. Something, south is serious that is. In a world where my own success and statute everything I don't think that we had over his on. The. The Cure or the vexing. We have not. This is. We just have enough things right. I think that. Conversation I had with Stefan Marberry. Scooping radio PICA back in April. How Charlie listen Chinese from. The worst silent on the Chinese side of the coast icon and checking boys play. He might attention that. When you look at. The US every state is different. Annoy Different Than Virginia. Virginia lawyer going to be different than Nevada. and. I think that when you look at the US and affected Illinois's numbers going down as new. York's WANNA. Keep them down and figure out what's going on rather than the. Somehow. In Nevada and I was looking at their ID story from the the words were walking around the Strip and not one last. Mike Wires not mandated he later. NASA manager. In China when I talked about Stefan Marberry explained to me. That are like where every state is different. China has the same protocol every clavel's. US starving behind the eight ball, because everybody was different New York New Jersey Pennsylvania Illinois air. In my opinion, because all of those things, mayors or governors, we're not this person entertaining personality with certain mandates, perfumes, eight, nine, o'clock, and more, but I also think that by riots at allowed to do with it. I have spoken to health professionals. Who told that will likely to? Have another quarantine or we allow another lockdown September. because. It's summertime for our fourth of July. Labor Day I mean. You know it started with Mother's Day will obviously memorial. Day people are not. Exercising those things, they're not taking it seriously and I think the emulated running that risk as well. Want to transition now to a specific New York topic that features. B-. Worldwide. West shut up the road west. Worldwide best. Jay, Z allocate those it sooner, did I wanted to talk about world West because obviously liked the bulls, the Nixon making changes in the front office and they got Leon rose. Now is the new president and with. With him, hiring road wide, wes being the guy that he is announcing a senior adviser for that team. Talk about any personal relationships comedy have overrun West and his relationship with players in general how this can be beneficial for the next week before. I've been. I don't know where West. I will tell you that. We made contact and Jordan brand pardon in Charlotte last year also. About I was ready to walk around with actually seeing Kadian. Thought that was more. I don't regret as with implicit to answer questions war, wild west, one of the things. That I've fascinating about him. Is that He. The wine ragging John Palette cowards for crew Memphis. And the way that they admitted I found fast so as you know my my my starting in the industry with during the ninety seven ninety eight overs last. Of words for the new. Jersey Nets in our area was the. Vice President of operations these fiery. Place Eighty. That following season allocated was an assistant coach with the Philadelphia Seventy sixers, underlying like a Mitchell of. Power and restless from southern New Jersey of Camden County ended his right across the river associates. And West and Our Harry developers before a fall of that. I found fascinating. I've been in and out of Philly February. I knew of worldwide west hiring. Huckabee's June worms of actually found out January twenty. On. Someone that is the sixers season ticket holder who has relationship with Monroe's? Who was also from South Jersey. And the thing that they told me was. Those guys like grew clear. Package there wherever one coast. and a relationship that West has with people fascinating. If you missed it all pictures A. Powers. WHOA wild west accident for fought lonner our metal off the court. He's got a wet suit orne. METRES JERVIS torn. Guatemala the connection that West has shoes. That's the ball number. One Game Road gave him the nickname wildlife. WW worldwide. Carry carryover by. Introduction to basketball was actually. Do. Dr J. Yuli, serving, westward at a sneaker store in Cherry Hill New Jersey. Cherry Hill is right next to have been frankly breads and Dr Janik phonetically. West to Michael Jordan then Michael Jordan know connected with. Hamilton. Confidante D-poland start over the honor. Many other people's is a very connect the guy with no incorporating well the issue issue. For West hopefully, this changes in some directions. Everybody right now. He listened to spooky. Robinson hosts scooping radio, a radio, show and podcast on school. Obviously the from the Knicks probable did make some changes as well within the front office, and with those two teams being top tier. Markets Become An. ICONIC FRANCHISES, Talk about how the Knicks hirings of Leon rose and now was. Prepared to. Arteries Karnisovas. WACKO AK for short and Mr Adversely Philadelphia Guy, and with under out brand as an assistant GM before he made a transition on talk about how those two is were the impact that these iconic franchise to bring them into real relevancy, especially if they start to produce talent needs actually get big time. Free agents to come to represent their cities could more members. Lease is underway particularly because of this connection to Nike I think while everybody assumes that Anthony. Davis is going to be signed with the Los. Angeles Lakers as you think the polls will be wanting. To potentially get and we'll see what happens. As it relates to averagely specifically. Elton brand has some raises and conversations in on the vicious is that is focused on record, cold, white and She No, I'll return my. Conversational with enthuse any obstacle urine our conversation. Koby said that he got goodbyes from mark the. Urs in that town. You know he's a guy. Somebody that. Seems to really care about the organization in the players in the future so. I think that it's a good start has connected take. Whatever business for the is the king? Your head, coach or P. Fire Him. I will say. That I did have coversation. With. Is expressed to him. That I feel as though one of the things that that I think is and today's NBA accountability. On as much as you take aim at, it's question breastfeeding a Frat, not abreast of a breath of fresh air. To See somebody hold people accountable, so you know they're still. Uneven this about whether they'll retain A. Appreciated that sentiment is shared with him. I hope to see him if he's not goals moving forward ethan somewhere where he was appreciated. quickly. Racist in the midst of looking for a head coach, and both attention may be having a head coach. Would you be candidates for both teams if they both are in both this Harrigan coaches? the two things that I think would be would be relevant for the New York Knicks. will be tips who again I was hearing about in January as well as low west. The other relationships. and I will also say to the also looking for some other off of woven that. They're looking to potentially bring Joel embiid highway. Fisher shared with. as it relates to the should those I do think that they should head coach the golden another direction. Remains that outs a need. Mostly notably. Mark Jackson and. I do that I. Know that especially there Mark Jackson high. You know I've been hi. Mark Jackson us. Awesome job. He definitely deserves it. For out here though man scoop. Everybody did what any latest. What's your latest projects? You may be having to come up where they can find those meted up of projects. Within everybody's pandemic shock Jamie Anderson. TIKI barber. A kindle, he'll. Base it on. Senior Writer Dot Com and I guess you could say I'm a writer emeritus still at Basketball Society Work My, which is also in a lot of. Things coming up in the next Marcus over the bubble, happening was TV opportunities and some. Of You. Look out for that as your. Of definitely man and obviously everyone to. Can listen to me. Listen to the podcast on. ONE ANCHOR AS LOSS! Of other podcasts platforms, and you can check me on on social media as well. On twitter at Jay Hicks reports to in its agreement. Josh. School. Always my brother appreciate you. Coming on the podcast by the has more than welcome anytime and hopefully next time will be real stone and. I gotTa make us goofy radio to man I. Definitely got. Shit pursue. McMahon in the meantime we radio DOT COM get a lot of stuff coming away. 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"This podcast contains strong language from the outset. Hello and thanks for listening to because he watched the podcast that comes up with brand new ideas for TV shows and movies. My Name's Rory I'm a producer is my job to identify an under-exploited video on demand category and gather some creative people to brainstorm some ideas in this episode heartbroken. Nanotubes TO BRING HIS SPOUSE BACK FROM THE DEAD. We hear the fiction. Lice story of the birth of one of our most useful medicines and the monster is created out of two innocent farmyard animals with bizarre consequences. Joining me to cook up. Some amazing ideas are actor and comedian will fraser comedy actor and writer. Deidra and rice and comedian Michael Strengthening. Hello how did they find Category this week valid? Very very weird so if the people at home that category was gory. Scientists horror movies which is a real real net flicks you can you can find that category yourself and for. Research to decide for research pitch an idea within that category you all watched from beyond from from beyond beyond this call from beyond the worst every second on the muscle in the back foot beyond men. Guy. Yeah Oh yeah the the footage good well I love. I love the beyond par coming from. Yes so if anyone who doesn't from beyond is from beyond is nine hundred. Eighty six American science-fiction body horror film directed by Stuart Gordon and is loosely based on a short story of the same name by HP lovecraft. Yes I yeah I thought it was like it was too tits away from being soft porn. What it was it was. It was really whether there was those It was quite a saucy. Well it attention to the machine. So basically the scientist wanted to design a machine mid people randy on want to eat. Brian's misunderstand purpose was a happy accident Zach was the top Partha concept on a I think a universal truth with but it just went even crazier from there when that woman when this woman went to the hospital or some sort of institute where loads of people were that have been treated that were being treated by dislike weird machine. There was like this gross. Seen with this man. Who is this woman? Look through the window in the. Little Cell Surveys. Talking with her reaction was the best thing. She subtly shook her head over time. David is completely unnecessary. There was no. I've never seen anyone furiously. Must've it wasn't a swing thought. I won't comment from here is so I'm quite interested to hear what you guys have got. Strategy what are you have to bring to the table of your so? Let's call Janet for Nice. Okay it's about God stage John Lewis or the other title. I was thinking of a scientist who invents a machine to bring back his dead wife. Okay but feels okay spoiler possibly a place? I'm so that's essentially top line. So you've got the scientists who is like leading wars leading scientists in Crisper DNA editing? Yeah so crisper is Let me just look it up. Chris is a family of A. Da DNA sequence which is found within all sorts of stuff is very useful rebuilding a bunch of stuff. It's used in all sorts of genetic science. So he's like he's like the leading scientists not at the moment like the people who do the Nobel peace prizes in there. What's up group of mentioned him a couple of times? So He's like Bill Prize. What'S UP Paul? But he gets obsessed is his wife sadly dies and then he just gets obsessed. I wealth I thinking that died and like it was a tragic sort of picnic accidents. And he crazy he give her like a baby bell not knowing that she was lactose intolerant. Like oh but to be fair to him. She did know either right okay. So she's going through a whole life having tragic taste definition you so. She's so accidentally killed his own way about. I'm the worst. It's not even really cheesy pitched battles how thinking should have a seat with him. It should only baby cry. I shouldn't have done that. He becomes consumed and by the idea of inventing a machine to bring her back or not to bring her back to make other people look like her. So So he's he's taking existing people take an existing people transform them to look make them look like in appearance. Oh brain as well. Well both I think like a lot of trial and error so is is we could call it transformers. He's just ruinously killing all these women killing them but he's like knows everyone so he he's taking. He's taking his ex wife. He's got his ex wife's DNA because she was like she malted everywhere just constantly multi everywhere and even six years later he finds on. Yeah somebody pulls out from the On the yeah. He's eight in my bowl so he's got plenty of DNA to play with too much too much too much. It means. He's sloppy because he doesn't have to worry about an hour so I could be a thing where he's the night of the chances but I think it goes through. I don't know whether he has a current guard friend that it keeps changing like make until like she thinks. I Dunno weight loss machine or something. Look younger but really. He's using a machine to make her look like his his dead wife or if he's like getting prostitutes like just bring the product. She's not still molting. I feel like there's a bit cross accident. You bring in someone else's head yeah. Obviously he's getting bits of the wrong. You know we see if you get in the school giants or someone who doesn't have to get down through and make this vis a vis blow make him into his wife. That doesn't work out but then yeah. The giants beard stubble gets mixed in with it. All the next one comes out a Fleiss nor the Jeff Gordon Jeff. I'm but Yeah I was thinking like initially so he he tried. You know he's trying to machine. He's gotten closer like she she starting to look like is as their wife like. It'd be something like he's got like a massive ear or like she's missing a leg or like it's just not quite right or she wore night or something but it just keeps keeps teeth does take was named generally The husband he he also gets a job as a janitor because it reminds name. Sure Jon probably yeah job things exactly. I'm like a Frankenstein situation. He used to get little. Bits of Frankenstein knows what I was thinking. I was thinking. Maybe he is always trying to is trying to get really close like she. S She is. Now you've got to stage for his. His current guard from looks pretty much like his dead wife put cheese. She's just she's got the same personality so he goes. He gets even more consumed and he tries to make the machine change your personality to make her life so I was thinking one one. One quality of this is dead. Wife was that she was an accident just is an accident. That's why should I if you owe. What's Janet like excellent as Washer like that was the thing she was known for? I'm prepared before it on a four. So there's a flashback. You'd explain this in a flashback scene. Where he this early stage and cheese? They've just had dinner at his house and she's like no. I'll wash up is that you know I love. And then she goes and she's washing. She's just washing up like this casserole dish. All these. He's hypnotized. He's like son. She's she knows what he's doing. I'm so the Free. The shots is that she's there at the same. Washington cuss ruled. That comes in from the side completely nick. It's like an rock-solid it's it's like a twist on the fife but it's been like ghost with a yeah they're making the padres so it was kind of sort of cultural scene moment people talk about it so he won't see so she was an accident dishwasher. I'm his current guard isn't and he's like. Let's try make her could dishwasher mess it up on the smashes casserole dishes. Well this may be to mental but I was thinking machine actually turns her into a dishwasher like an actual dishwasher bought. She doesn't the current girlfriend doesn't even notice. Like why are you looking at me? Funny Ms Nelson looking a dishwasher with have the same head. He's he's he's freaking. Oh Shit shifts. Yes he's coming. He's going that night and she's She's she's like she's coming into the room. Just come find anything that FITS JUST CUT TO DISHWASHER. Readdress or something. And he's like Oh don't worry about it squall lovely. I'm sorry go on to mental but I think it builds towards him going him then decided that he then doesn't himself he changes put some machine on himself on. The last scene is Him looking in the mirror as is dead wife and completely naked naked. There's a moment where you go as he's finally find this. This is you know as each is cheap goal. So it's just him looking pitch perfect pitch pitch perfect and then you hold it for a second and then you just start folding themselves to 'cause it's going out of China and then and then and then cut to black so it's like a long held shot with very still face very gentle Ivan. An explosive seconds and cut a black cut the black wanting more. Yeah so you don't know whether like he's just he's been keeping so consumed with that. He's actually turned himself into the way that you coming opened the dishwasher. She often like a recycling point at the light up and she's she's none the wiser. She's like what's going on. Why my wife actress? She's would she get out? You know when you said she was like when to try on addressing came back into the bedroom and stuff like she got like a Tomo dry feature where she just like vibrates all the way across the room. I'M NOT GONNA neither is holes in in the plus but the the the I think I think I think for the purposes of the audiences is stuck with yeah yeah especially for foaming and then you know. He's scoffing close combat. Didn't make sure she can't see. Yeah so yeah. It's range use you especially when she's going pg damages. Did you want to be dead? I think Notley Portland. I think she accident. No she's not going John and then current girlfriend someone completely like Melissa McCarthy or something and so we we see like strange approximations of Natalie Portman throughout throughout the film. Yeah Yeah Now. Parts of category again is gory. Scientists so I assume that some of the experiments PG wiggle room some of the experiments rather than big air. It's like they had noses but not where you want them or maybe we have a you know the narrow us notice quite a bit of fun without I guess I mean yeah if is like the fly on the SOFA gets in fly. So how would that work? What is DNA was is not like going to a garden and singing all. That's the same dead wife knows trump flight the flight. You've never seen the film by the so Jeff Goldblum wants to invent a talent. Visits teleportation machine or teleportation machine and two from one to another living room yes but when he does a fly housefly flies in Tula machines. And then Paulson just kind of Russia's them together the film them becomes about him becoming a fly. It's this popular film idea concept. Your film is better than exactly. Yeah usually becomes a fly in the eighties. They were desperate for fit him. So you just have to walk in and just pitch a top line and they were like you say guy who becomes a fly buzzing around in a flight such a great idea make it so. I mean the dishwasher in this room as well which is why I remember that one. Yeah so In answer your question the going this could come from the the trial narrow aspect of machine going wrong trying to make various different permutations of his dead wife. And did you see as being the main Guy Carter trying to create the wife Committee Move Fraser. I've had I guess either. A Antonio Banderas or writer Daniel Fifty nine years old. So we'd go. I ten tonio I if he says no you didn't you didn't ask Antonio but there's before me talk. We'll take mixer. Antonis off everything. Don't leave it on the cause because I'm also key tip in casting never go I if you've only got one roll don't go. I two two people at the same time because they both might say yes. Yeah Good Point Okay. So you go you wait till they say no then you go to the next person because say yes. Sir John It. And then we're furiously writing script going on. We have both. Who's more likely to look like? Can we make Daniel look like Antonio and just sort of shared? They've got a twenty nine year age gap but directly. We can cover that makeup of something. Maybe maybe he's just ways is shot from behind suit face down. You could be. The flashback scene could when he was younger only case we want to avoid we so we want to avoid any awkward. So we'll go at hand. Tony I see what he says. And then if he says no billable okay or even an slotting in his. Dm's rory. Yeah that's good and then I'll ask him not to tell Radcliffe about another place so just just in case you know hello again just interrupting for a second to let you know that you can follow us on instagram twitter and facebook. By searching for you watched part way you'll find additional content podcast news and exciting updates on my quest for the next big thing. That's you watch called on instagram twitter and facebook. Well that's that's that idea. Which is I quite. Liked the title to be a bit like Doctor Stranger. It's like Janet or a scientist who tries to bring back his dead fails. Yes because that's how you introduced that. Yeah it sorts does what it says. You know what you're going to say. There's no like you don't even need to see the trailer cinema. You go a lot is pretty self explanatory. It didn't lie. It won't be your I could say about it. It's got done right. Cliff Antonio the poster. Yeah yeah bombs on Sunday. The guy that came up with this clearly this through all right well. Thanks very much Will Yeah what is your going mad. Scientists horrible school spawn of SME-. Okay Spoon Boone of made. How do you spell me a okay? Thanks keeps me hanging to that second three days. Oh three okay. We'll have misread four. I think it's got like I've seen a lot of potential growth all right so the dog to me smeg is failed. Scientists belts. Megs ME SMEG NAME. Yes me SMEG. How many smack three gets stuck in? Cd's sneeze me one hundred years time. So two thousand one hundred and twenty. Are you going to say that? Twenty one ten to twelve to two essentially capon say okay. I'm basically run out of animals. We've as a mole. Yeah Oh God yeah Don newstalk. Well I'm not sure. Yeah that one. Oh three in the future so you just say in this time yeah. There's no animals left this left or they could be had gone tail when Matt Suicide Completely. Like be planet right not not like. Oh I'm Vegan is hungry choice don't dismiss. Meg is a doctor of Science. Okay and he basically was at school if not the opening. Have you seen the hangover? Where he's like he's like giving me on your money kids because like Vegas. He's taken not money. Straight months. Grown is half chicken. Half pig rescue picking okay. Ideas are welcome. Other ideas are welcome to shake cheek cheek. I think picking people mispronouncing sat a lot lower. Yes picking so he's creating this thing And basically he feeds it put in because that's all he's look the blood but hung plot Holda. Pigs do is raise over that. The only meat for source isn't plant. Is this guy. Stop powder loads of loads along like email keeps really well really. It really isn't a face it but he knows this. Picking IS GETTING INTELLIGENT. So this picking decides that actually. If I eat his blood I can multiply quicker so Dr Smith. Make that fix that. Mesler that yeah this picking him? But why did he create this picket? Was it for the food? The meat was it for money. Knowing that we we won't know. Does the pin have a kind of cute name like when we scientists they kind of have a name in pig? Okay well chicken chicken yes all right pickoff chicken how is this? How is this split? Houses Split Yeah. Is it like right down the middle dog off the pig and then on the other half is a chicken with this one leg not long enough really long skinny legs right hits the floor. And that's that's what it looks like. If if you imagine half a pig and chicken rory going for their okay so so so so for what I got from. That is the chickens. Mostly the back end. Does this thing legs plot twist It defecates Tofu. Nice ashamed if you call big slash chicken. You know more animals than you think you can have. Maybe we can have bacon again. Remember the history. Books talked about baking chicken. And then he's Tofu. Dotson who discovered. This shit was Towfighi. Well Dr Smith's apprentice just was like tone find out tall be played by Ben Whistle as he goes round to. Dr Smith might be sweet smack. I got the flowers you won't hit. It goes in then the floor on sees this picking. And what's this but the picking scared so shits himself? I wish goes wrapped. Fresh out of white truck right so a brand name food. Oh Yeah Yeah. We're not talking. Little white tries this by the concept of the animals. Left is a very. That's a great. That's a great top line again. How does he? How does he scratch together? The pig in the chicken day. He finds a rusher of Bacon and he finds a chicken drumstick and he puts them both together. Yeah and because it's science he based just because it's real science montage this break in Russia and this chicken drumsticks start to mate and rose. It's my little shop horrors. Yeah she not plan it grows and it grows and grows. This rusher of Bacon and chicken drumstick just grows and grows. And then eventually yeah and he keeps throwing gives them throwing black pudding. I just keeps growing and eventually a full grown pickin cates and total. What was his what. Why did he was he just wanting to try and recreate animals? That's ever thought he was doing it for the money right. It was okay this pick and bigger and bigger of interest began. He was getting okay magazine more offering thousands of photographs and stuff and there was no because actually he was doing it for the love of the traffic coaxes in a women's Russia and there's a rebell- rebellious doctor called Dr La Scottish Scott through his name especially Ms La l. and his last name is Scott if Scottish get of enough reveal the V. Visconti's so basically this is the film that shows how this was to show how laxatives were made you say okay so this is this was when everyone's mind this was pretty laxatives so basically Dr Scott. Yeah he was. What if you go to disk coincidence when you go up I want to study? Laxatives is like a scene where someone's like. What do you call this? Yeah let's give to exit. Yeah exactly one of those things. Yeah it just gets lost in translation in it. So basically his aim is that he wanted to create a pill to make all of like women fought like he wanted the Russian Russian woman to win Miss World and then so he wanted to make a pill to make all of the other countries. Yeah so but the thing is instead. All these women just kept shitting themselves at losing weight. So that our yeah. He won't big. We didn't actually so now. The factors swallowed Russia. And she loses. Because obviously it's all about how much she way and she was have always watch them. Just put it this way. Yeah but the thing is you know it was. It was still closed like she was a runner up because like to be fed. The other contestants were continuously shitting themselves. But they compete. They were still competing. But you know that white dresses would be soiled swimsuit competition like this. So this scientists he he he. He's being employed by the government to make Russia. I think he was just like a Russian rebel. He was like how come rust never wins. The winds of Miss World so America but yeah but yes. He was just a rebellious. Kinda guy was like no. We need to win Russia's the greatest country in the world and all women are you know. Say like let's just maybe maybe Dr Law Scotty depending on what you guys think should be a woman and she was mainly Russia. Did we achieve? It wasn't a woman says a lot about so she makes the pill which she believes will make them fat but it actually makes them shoot themselves and then and then she she spikes them all like is there some sort of mix up like how does this happen because you think she would test it one time yes even tacitus gotta call packed like twenty pills off. She goes. Yeah exactly. I think that's what she's done the math. She's very Ariza. Make you fat. And then she as she leaves slow pattern on the computer. And it's like oh I got to carry. The Wall is actually shitting medicine. Thing is then because of that she becomes a hero as the woman who makes people lose weight so then she was a boon. Yes exactly so. She is the first person to ever hold a degree instead of a PhD is called an mad mad spells Matt Matt scientists and the MIT actually stands for masters in Ale moved. Lockyer thanks so she did she. She hadn't invented laxatives onto la points so she wasn't aware no so she was about to go to prison. They thought we need your recipe and then became a star them from the police because they open up one point. She thought she was making a a pill. Mid Women put on we it. Yeah because she was really just a villain but she's now somehow flipped on the head. And everyone's like wow laxative. And then because she hadn't tested fool her like I don't know the long term effects on contacts but she went on went to the competition accidentally designed laxatives. Yes yes so. I think that would be. Maybe one of the main scenes in the film. I would think so. Yeah watching everyone and extended twenty minute. Scene movie can have all kinds of sound effects. It should be you know really intense as well like seeing all. Come out yeah. I'm thinking from the scene from one hundred twenty seven hours because of his arm a massive. Let's keep it guy. Yeah it'll be. I think certification. Let's maybe like twelve like don't be afraid to push the boundaries. Yeah we'll bring you learn something in. It could be educational. Maybe could run out to schools more money in that. Part of the genre is horror. I think this is a good time to get some of that. Yes so I think this is a good time. A good opportunity to get some of horror in their aside. I think an uncut just brutal. Yeah very like grounded gritty seen diarrhea of like twenty women. Yeah defecate comedy element because of the sense that I current company that very funny about diarrhea anyway so like if you say if you say like your boss it works. I can't commend one of someone's laugh about that. Someone's laughing about that. So what types. This pre laxed is what time period is a set scholars. Think nine thousand. Nine hundred eighty six six. Yeah laxatives were invented in eighteen twenty. How has been on for about two years? Was it by any chance? Invented by a Russian rebel called LASCA. Oh my God it was invented by Thomas Beecham. Now who do you think stars as I la Scott if or any all of the women shitting themselves Michelle Obama powerful woman valuable now so we just need to find out? Michelle? Obama can do of Russian woman. I'll I'll slide into and just ask would after auditioning oversleep. She's Yeah I think If you Michelle Obama let's Lou backgrounds. Yeah let's look at ideas we've already so it's not as off. We've got her name's idea matt is Set in Russia. There's a doctor. Called Lescott made well. Her aim is to make a pill that makes people fat to sabotage the Miss World contest. All the contestants who want Russian but shock horror. She does make the laxatives and accidentally makes all of the contestants thinner by them shitting themselves thin. She's held as a hero for letting people be a little bit more relieved and she is dubbed a master in anal defecation. All Matt next up. We've got Michael strandings ideas. Which is Janet or the scientists who tries to bring back his dead wife it fails. This is a story about a world renowned scientists in crispus science who accidentally kills his wife Baby Bell but uses DNA from her left around the house to transform various people into her himself out also says someone and Swedish washer pretty good and I don't think dishwasher involves is is in the equation. That was great. Then we've got the spawn of SME. Which is will's idea was a doctor of science called Dr Smith's Meg in Twenty One. Twenty one hundred years from now and it's a completely vegan planet and this doctor has decided to grow himself. A monster off. Pig IS HALF CHICKEN. It eats pudding and it gets a taste for blood before killing the doctor and running off. But which one do you like? The best will like the concept of new animals. Being you know Hundred Years in the future. There's no animals don't exist anymore and I think the goal because of the killing of Mrs Smith's. Meg Very definitely a motorcycle is being eaten alive and Ben we shall we show we show of goodwill I caught. I caught like how like absolutely random is an especially with the Tofu. So what do you think is do you think I should be should be the one that we take from? Hate trump. Bring picking out. Get THOSE GEARS TURNING. Make that a reality and thank you very much guys. I think it's been a very productive meeting. Thank you very much. Worry this episode of because she watch featured Michaels. Jenny Nimmo Daedra Will Fraser and me rory banks. It was produced by Joe Grace and Martin intricate.

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New Research Says Fasting Beats Cutting Calories  Leonie Heilbronn, Ph.D., with Dave Asprey : 781

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New Research Says Fasting Beats Cutting Calories Leonie Heilbronn, Ph.D., with Dave Asprey : 781

"Hey guys for the first time in history. I have decided to teach one of my books as a gift for you. When you decide to buy my brand new book fast this way. I will take you on a two week trip through the book with daily lectures daily fasting exercise in a community of more than ten thousand people. Where do three live. Qna's just as a gift. I want you to read this book. I want you to benefit from this book. And i want you to feel the difference in your life and i want to without being hungry suffering or tired fast. This way is the name of the book. Go fast this way. Dot com. Share your receipt with me and i have got your back radio station high performance. You're listening to bulletproof radio with dave asprey today. Were going to talk with a major researcher on fasting time restricted eating and things like that and even caloric restriction which turns out to does work although calories in calories out doesn't seem to work in any of my life experiences or any of my research but funny enough in a fast with restricted calories. Hey maybe there's something going on there. We're going to dig deep on that. Her name is leeann. I'll brown and she's an associate professor. Who lease the obesity and metabolism group at the lifelong health team of south australian health and medical research. That is a mouthful but basically. She's an adelaide australia and studies this stuff looking. At how do we turn down. Chronic diseases like type two diabetes with nutrition and she really looks at biological pathways. Which makes me really wanna do this interview. Because we get to talk about my cadre and all sorts of signaling molecules. We shouldn't get to technical. I promise i'll explain everything if you're new to the world of biohacking along the way if we use some weird analogies or whatever else but you will learn something here and we're going to dig deep on fasting. Let's get into learning more about fasting from a world class expert. Only welcome to the show. Thank you thanks for having me to thinking about a new resolution to get healthier this year. Yeah you're not alone. Gut health is probably high on your list. If it isn't put it there the vast majority of the chemicals and toxins that you get exposed to come in through your intestinal tract. And that's why i've been interested in. Dr edward group's research. He's the founder of global healing. He spent twenty two years making high quality supplements specifically designed around gut health. And we talked about cleaning up your internal environment on episode seven. Sixty six i regularly take oxy powder which is an oxygen based colin cleanser. That really works. There's really convincing research that this works via a different mechanism than other things like fiber and well. It just makes you feel really energetic the next day. And if you'd like to feel what it's like to have a gut that works really well go to global healing dot com slash. Dave used code. Dave fifteen and they'll save you fifteen percent off everything everything on the side is gmo. Free gluten free and vegan that's global healing dot com slash. Dave us go day fifteen to save fifteen percent and make your gut work better. How did you get into fasting right so this started quite a while ago and it was back when i was talking. The united states in louisiana actually And a we had read a paper About a mouse study where the mice were put on Alternate day fasting fasting every other day for twenty four hours and these mice really had the same benefits of caloric restriction that we know about so they had Reduce glucose and insulin levels reducing the diabetes risk marcus and they had increased Activation a lot of the pathways as well. They're involved with caloric restriction so it was kind of the first time we'd notice all realized that fasting paps was one of the ways that caloric restriction is potentially working And so we did a little study on sixteen people And they're all known overweight so just more regular twenty to twenty five to fifty five year olds. I believe And put them on. Alternate day fasting for three weeks And some people did amazingly well lost lots of weight and had great improvements in health over always so great improvements in glucose and insulin levels and also reductions in cardiovascular mark three weeks and There were people that really hated it. and didn't do so well but they still were able to maintain the diet for the for the three week period And yeah that was kind of alpha's little foray into alternate day fasting. Now you're talking about only having water for twenty four hours every other day. yes water. Only fasting twenty four hours every other day And we started the foss midnight to midnight. As well with that i study and so some people were actually fastening probably form city two hours by the time they went to bed at night and got up in the morning after fast. Isos long time and were these people working during that time or were they doing their normal physical activities. It seems like most people would get kinda blown out by starting out. Fasting that way Yet not everyone kit working ahead. We had one a woman on the study. Who was a kind of She was a big rana And she also did a lot of soccer and so she played two or three soccer games on fasting day. One time she was. She was high goal Most of us were did the study. So we it was the study literally with no money and everyone was an employee at the pennington just about that. That did the study so it was a con. It was a pilot trial Mostly fit young and healthy and Everyone pretty much was active as well in that trial so there was no there. Were a couple. Actually that were Non exercises maybe about five out of the sixteen six out of the sixteen when on exercises and the rest wakes sizes. It was an exclusion criteria. Will meet what's interesting about that. Is that s- those are people who are already reasonably fit and had working metabolism's because they weren't overweight and i've found that a lot of people a forty two percent of people who are overweight or have meaningful weights lose. They oftentimes get the angry hypoglycemia. No i can't do that and live my life when they start doing. Twenty four water fasting so looking for ways to keep your brain working while getting into that which has been a big a big focus But the goal would be that. You ought to be able to just do that. And he said water only but That was no coffee. Not know anything that at all this study. We did with massey's okay. So that was water. Only fasting And that was straight weeks in length so the subsequent studies we've done We've done the more overweight people nine in young healthy people so all of my other trials have been in in overweight people and we have allowed coffee and tea And that kind of we have allowed a limited amount of sugar free drinks as well during the fasting. Di really just to increase compliance So the and the subsequent studies we've done been three days a week and fasting And not doing alternate day. Just because it's a bit of a mess helping people when you're doing alternate day fasting. It's hard to plan your life because one day you'll doing you know monday wednesday friday and the next day. It's tuesday thursday saturday. So it's just it's more difficult to figure out to plan ahead. I'm whereas if you're doing monday wednesday friday or your choice. It's just easier to know what's going on win win to go out when to when to stay home with it it. It feels like getting compliance out of fasting. Look if you're really obese like one hundred pounds overweight. Like i was or you have high risk of disease. You're just going to disrupt your life to do it. And there's a lot of people like you know i've got a little bit too much going on but for that making it a workable schedule. Seems like a major challenge with compliance. So that's been a big focus of this where you don't have to always stick to a schedule so i i love the just do three days because then you can line it up and you weekends work in that extra day probably wasn't worth the trouble it's that how much trouble is it. That's a big focus for everything because we could do everything perfectly and then you've got to be out of do it in the end of the day. What are the other studies. That i'm super excited to hear about your looking at two hundred and ten people with obesity comparing intermittent fasting and restrict calories. How far along is that study. 'cause i i'm really hopeful. T see the results. But can you share. Yes so the last patient finishes november twenty one. So it's it's It's an eighteen month trial. So the the do a six month really active phase where we see them along. We help them out And that phases over And then they have a twelve month follow up after that period where we really let them go and say we say you know. Try to continue during this diet without hope And we bring them back twelve months to see how the going so that face does not finish until november twenty twenty one so probably not till twenty twenty two. We have the study at some point. They take a long time. But i'm looking at excited by the results so early results that are not. you know. Statistically vowed does one seemed to work better than the other or you have no clue We really don't have a clue yet. We have You know statisticians on the style. The blind everything And yeah we we don't we don't have a handle on that at all. Unfortunately we have done. No you know no analysis on anything so we have to wait till the end of the trial. You're super blinded them. Well does you for for doing doing good science. And i'm sad. Because i'm pretty sure that what you're gonna see especially with a one year follow up like that is the people who do calorie restriction gain all the weight back because i have to watch the biggest loser. It's a year out from everyone who loses weight on that show and they're all fatter than they were in my own life. you know. Those twenty pounds gained thirty. Lose thirty game forty. Most likely cause of ghrelin signalling But then you do fasting or do anything with keystones. it seems like it becomes a non issue. So i'm i'm very exam up to see those results. I'm i'm hopeful too. But i don't know so there's any one row trial will maybe as it to now that have done this in in large populations and i've shown that there wasn't any difference either between the restriction and intimate fasting groups. At at the time they've done twelve months eighteen month follow up toward now interesting. They didn't see any difference between the clara restriction intimate of passing groups. So i think that intimate fasting Really works for some individuals But it doesn't it doesn't hap- swick for all individuals. So there's there's that we don't let them choose when they do. These research studies. They get randomized into fasting or caloric restriction And they don't get to say okay. I think that i'd suit fasting bitter roy to calorie restriction. Better and i think that that some people. And i'm one of them. I prefer fasting and being able to Eat what i like on the weekends. Sort of thing and then go during the week And yeah so. I think that some people really suda and then some people get really grumpy during the fussing period and they just from what. I've seen adorned habituate so some people takes them a little while to get used to fasting and then some people maybe navigate used. Do you track what people eat before they start a fast or how. They end the fast like what kind of food they're using. Yes so we have done. We are doing that now. So the the last study that we did. We actually provided all the food to people so we wanted to really just control absolutely everything. I'll trying to look a lot of pathways. yes so we. We gave them all of their food on the calorie restriction diet or we gave them all of their food on the intimate. Boston died Whereas this new study. It's it's their choice. So we're we're doing dar es and and tracking that sort of thing so we'll have a better handle on that with the next trial. My working hypothesis. Is that the people who don't acclimate to fasting. Are eating foods that cause cravings right before they start and when they tweak. Would they eat to avoid that. Suddenly they can go through fast but if the the wrong stuff before the fast they're just our train wreck. I know i'm like that i can. I did a seventy two hour fast. A couple of weeks ago just because it was convenient like i've just got i did six or seven shows and i'm just i'm okay but then you know if i was to eat something that was wrong for me like a big old kale salad or something. I'm gonna be ravenous in is going to be distracting and then You know. I'm probably going to be less emotionally resilient i normally would be yep so Yeah i haven't studied that. But i don't disagree with you there i think that that is potentially potentially true and In yeah it's i. I don't actually know what the right food is to do that. Either so it would be interesting to to to lend that to see if there is something something to that. I will send you fast. this way. A few like to. It is not an academic book but has a lot of references I'd be happy to to do that just to give you some ideas to think about the direction of it. But i find. There is five big categories of foods that are triggers for some people and not others and this is from working with very large numbers of people over the last ten years on the bulletproof diet side of things which is like what are the triggers but electons are major trigger for some people in different types of electons for others and they cause perturbations in a ghrelin insulin and even like overall anxieties of inflammation from a nightshade vegetables. Because of your genetics. You're going to have a craving but the next person doesn't have the genetics eats them and they're just fine so it's really hard to tease out. You've got oxalates. Asset is another one That causes just environmental perturbations in people. Ross spinach and kale can be cravings. You've got a fi tate's And things like that of the whole grain for some people major issue other people not that big of a deal. You give one person beans or or rains. Find the next person's. Like i'm going to eat a horse and so you get into these buckets histamine. We'll do it too from into tofu. Full histamine people are assuming intolerant men. They're gonna need a cookie and like they cannot fast without into a jerk but then teasing those out in the final one is. If you're eating things like micro-toxins or high omega six oils. Both of those getting gaza can gaza cravings and people As well as being sturgis so for me it's been like how do i get a million people to figure out what's doing it for them so they can eat everything else. And that's that's been a challenge. But i do not publish studies the way you do although if you both worked on studies using the bulletproof guidelines but i imagine if you clustered for those things especially the first three or four. If that's funny people eat pork. Which is high in histamine in those are the ones have our time fasting and the ones who aren't eating pork before they're fast or process lunch meats or whatever. They don't have our time. So i could predict those clusters. I'd bet on it. But i could tell him you're too. I bet you'd find another cluster. I never even thought about yeah. I don't tend to look down at the micronutrient level to see what what's going on there. So when i mean starting some studies where we're looking at macro nutrient timing so you know trying to put carbohydrates in in the morning when you I guess most biologically ready to to have carbohydrates. You know you have be insulin secretion in the in the morning you most insulin sensitive in the morning sakaba hydrates. The probably the time. When you're gonna have come hydrates. She's prohibit them in the morning but we're studying that now and also proteins and maybe this some evidence of having later in the day. It's not great evidence yet but maybe Maybe that's abyss proteins. So there's there's that kind of timing of macronutrients and i think that's an imaging grew emerging field right away with timing of things. Timing of medicines is really exciting. Feel right now as well so all of all of the medications that people take Is beginning to be an appreciation. That maybe we're not looking when they taking the medications and and that could be we might not be getting the optimal best bang for buck and the same thing with with carbohydrates and protein so Yeah i think that that is interesting but I i don't look at the micronutrients. We just kinda focused on the the whole level Yeah the The time thing is something that you've definitely studied time restricted feeding and. That was interesting. Your i said he was midnight to midnight but no one. At least no-one health eats midnight on a regular basis. But it that way. That's sort of the time and yet no we didn't intend we'll start and stop eating. It was more like just go to bed and then wake up in the morning We actually had one patient in that study that did tell us he stayed up til midnight all the time at night at eight midnight And so but everyone else was pretty much going to bid And and waking up in the morning and having breakfast so at time for fasting studies With actually tried to do in the morning. so Eight am to eight pm. I'm an ounce they control would doing allowing it eating period of adam to to lunch lunchtime and then fasting for the rest of the day. so biologically is probably the best time to be kind of kick starting metabolism for the day And but there is nice studies. Were really trying to test that hypothesis. There is one Krista verde did a study where she was She gave people fasting from breakfast. No from lunch or from dana or they had breakfast tiny meals at breakfast lunch and dinner as breaking the fast And they didn't see any difference between the three of them so didn't matter but it was a really small study so it wasn't a lot of people in hr and so it really hasn't been tested. We're probably one of the few groups that have shown that fasting is better than calorie restriction for health And perhaps it's because we put breakfast fest so we run at breakfast to breakfast Rather than dinner to dinner which is probably the easiest thing to do. He says probably easier to biologically. You'll more hungry in the evening than you are in the morning. But we've rented the other way round End we see that intimate fasting In our hands beats caloric restriction In terms of health outcomes but Maybe it's because we've done the fossils from breakfast on it. It's a really interesting thing that the chronobiology Like signaling pathways that i've looked at It's pretty clear that if you wanted to do an ideal fasting window you'd eat some time. I was not too early in the morning. But sometime after the sun comes up until about two however most most people. It doesn't work from a from a liveability perspective. Some if you're really sick Do that otherwise having an early dinner early and get away with you know five five thirty and eating you know between noon or two and that it works but if you wanted to work a little bit better and be harder to do you shift eating earlier or if you have a hard time going to sleep at night. Protein before bed raises a rexon which is the same stuff that modano raises so protein before bed and high doses can be stimulating. So i i have found that generally moderate non sugar carbs in your last meal of the day. Tim to improve sleep for a variety of propose reasons but that people get more cravings if they have the carbs in the morning. Even though you're more insulin sensitive in the morning and it's it's such a mishmash right if you're doing any of these windows you're still getting eighty ninety percent of the benefits but there is an optimal window and you might be the person who most who is going to identify the perfect window. I of from what i've seen. Are there zero ahead of ahead of you and the publication schedule that your your whereabout. We did a pilot trial so we can pay Early time shifted. Fading delayed time restricted feeding. So we asked me to eat from eight till five We got them to eat from twelve till nine just because We kind of wanted to have a big gap. I wouldn't normally say nine o'clock. Good cutoff. I would say probably a little earlier Trying to have a reasonable length eating window And and doable eating window but also have differences between the two arms. And when we did that and you know this is a pilot trial. It was a week long. It was in sixteen patients. So there's lots of caveats we'd matter so both of them improved glucose tolerance Just as well as each of them and there was no difference between the groups. Oh both better than baseline and they they had though exactly the same improvement include his taunts so now hands very schmo. Trial it though both effective When you say that there was no difference in health outcomes how are you measuring how comes in the study. So what does that mean so a lot of mine. More focused around diabetes risk. So we do. We did a glucose tolerance test essentially so people families And looked at the glucose responses to that so they were both improved by around twenty percents quite big improvements When they did time restricted eating for just one week so they had these big improvements in glucose. Tolerance is kind of the order. Magnitude that you see when you do or it's bigger than what you see when you when you give metformin right. So met former drug. That people with diabetes take to help improve The glucose control And we saw that time restricted. Eating had at least as good if if improvement in that inaugural diabetes population. Now just didn't wait Population who had the roman with great big waist circumference. He's So they're in the diabetes risk factor range. But i didn't have diabetes. Why did you do all men. Only a third of fasting studies include women. I think when they're pilot trials. And this is where we're at with thomas dating. Is that the big studies. Have an this Really come out yet. There was one last year That was Steel and not a huge number of patients where they did Time restricted eating those as control as the first aid trial so Everyone else has been doing. you know. we've we've got to. We have to get the funding so we have to run all these pilot trials in in really small populations before we then get funded to actually run the big studies and so we're at the stage now where i've got funding ron. Tom big time she. Feeding trial was starting this year But it takes. It takes a long time so Yeah we tend to run behind a little bit just because it takes a long time to get the funding and the longtime today these studies and the big city that we will be men and women have okay good good. Thanks for thanks for doing that. So many studies done on college undergrads twenty years ago where it was pretty much all young reasonably healthy men for the most part. And it's it's fine early trial because you know as long as for sorting out for the big groups. Another thing that you talk about in your research is one of my favorite compounds. in ad. I've talked about this my aging book. And i've i've done intravenous. Ad can you talk about. What fasting or time restricted feeding does for any d levels. Yes so we have seen and this is Really just in mice at this point. But we've saying that That faucet thomas featured eating in this case Increased na m pt. Which is an enzyme. That makes an id. And so the fasting increase the levels of nasa p. t. and then we saw an also increase in an idea as a result so in mice in the liver we saw changed so there was a there was a good effect time restricted eating to to boost those levels. And yeah you can take things like nicotinamide riboside and things like that that that can that can boost those levels As well in the bud of definitely had a few guests talking about nicotinamide riverside nicotine nuclear tides taking a d orally and injecting it subcutaneous and with patches intravenously. And i've done all the above and i'm not opposed to doing the other nicotine. Related thing actually nicotine. That was one milligram of nicotine as an anti aging metabolic enhancing substances not tobacco. So have you seen anyone looking at the effects of nicotine during time restricted eating. Now i had not even aware that that did that. So i hadn't i hadn't hadn't looked into nicotine at all. Sorry can we meets the same receptors in in the brain that you're referring to but a guy from vanderbilt has been looking at nicotine and publishing papers since nineteen eighty-seven of showing that reverses alzheimer's disease and it raises. Pg one alpha. Which is you know that exercise. A mimetic thing So as an anti-aging very low dose substance. It seems to have efficacy. But i'm i'm sort of wondering that's something i didn't the no. It's not addictive at all. Commit it nicotine's addictive but without smoking and all the smoking additives. It has a three day washout period similar to coffee Where it's but smoking with all the flavorings and especially vaping. It's way more addictive than straight nicotine. So i've started stopped psycological aspect as well as the young for three days. You get cranky. If and i'm talking one to four milligrams a day. A cigarette house like twenty so very different. Yeah but i. I've always i haven't okay. Good deal retirement nicotinamide. I'm like hey that. I think that makes me makes me happy. Yeah you do have a studying overweight women though that you you've done as well right. Yea on tomasa so yeah we. This is the one where. I was just mentioning before. Where we we. We fed them. This is the one movie fed them all of the foods. So we had four groups a women. We had women who were demised. Intimate fasting with caloric restriction we had clark restriction grips without energy matched And provided all the foods and then we had a group of intimate fasting people that were not energy restricted. So no clark restriction. I and then we had the control. So the the intimate falling group faucet for three days per week from eight am so they had breakfast. And then they fasted for twenty four hours and then and then the next day eight. The intuitive fussing restrict people added about energy balance and that is providing. The same amount of calories seventy percent restriction. Everyday with these are all women though. Right just super. Okay that's really unusual because not that many people have done women. Fasting studies especially with the degree of comparing seventy percent of normal cogs one hundred percent of normal calories. Yep kinda similar as the results for listeners. Because this is really important science well. We saw that intimate fasting. Seventy so the court restriction intimate fasting really it outperformed caloric restriction in terms of weight loss and in terms of improving health. So it was unexpected. We did not. We thought the providing the foods to everyone and We did actually didn't wanna get weight loss. We wanted to have exactly the same amount of weight loss in both groups so we could see whether intimate fasting is beating caloric restriction without being different for what he way and you know. The science never wigs out as you planet. Exactly but so he did say that. The intimate housing group lost a little bit more white than coercion group and they had been improvements in the health coverage greater reductions in diabetes research markets and greater reductions in cardiovascular responses than the calorie restriction group so Yeah we we all of us but we do get a little bit more weight loss than we wanted one group so that makes us not be out of say. Is it the weight loss or is it. The fasting is exactly what we wanted to do it which is which is better so yeah it was a little bit disappointing in the end but The interest of the women in the study. The women the study though. It wasn't disappointed at all because most people are overweight are happy to lose some weight so easy to get a great outcome for the people in the trial but the hidde- from you that's funny and what we saw really was though doing great on the passing day so at ladies in that study You know was an eight week trial. It wasn't long long-term term. And in this case i think more than fifty percent were very happy to do it. I think intimate fasting was very new and we ran that trial too. So it really only just come at michael moseley's book Had was came out during the trial And so it was all over the media and are excited to be a part of this study And so i think that Maybe that had something to do with it. I don't i don't know. But they they were very Adherent and the had trouble eating on the eating days enough old food we gave them so they weren't actually that hungry now. They fussing day that you great on though really compliant Then they got to their eating day and they did needle the food we gave them. So that's why they lost that little bit more weight. I think than than the calorie restriction group. I didn't think it was magic thing that they had you know stupid. Metabolism's oil Anything like that but but maybe there was some appetite changes that makes them not be so hungry and potentially key potentially at grill on we don't we don't know That that the you know. Even then that hungary and lennox date the conflict con overeat ovary. You probably heard people saying you need to drink eight water day. But they don't even tell you how big glasses are and they don't tell you what to put in the water to get hydration the way you want it it turns out that electrolytes are really important especially as you drink more water which is good for you and my friends. Element are making electrolyte packets. That taste really really good. 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And if you don't like it they'll even give you a full refund without sending it back hunger suppression part of Of fasting is very interesting. When i was this about twelve years ago. I was working out the principles on the bulletproof diet which is a cyclical kito thing with intermittent fasting in a little bit of time restriction. In it and i said i'm mean. Eat forty five hundred calories a day on but generally Either have interim fast for breakfast or only have fat and nothing else at breakfast and it was so hard that much food. Because you're just not hungry but the reason. I was eating so much as i was trying to say. I'm eating enough calories to gain twenty pounds but i'm only going to gain three pounds. Therefore the calories in calories outy quesion is just flawed. But what i did was. I lost weight and i kept losing weight even a stupid amount of calories which this is not the birthday but the guys for your listening I don't recommend you overfeed at all. It's not good for you to overfeed. There's lots of evidence it's bad for you But i was just sort of trying to disprove something And i did it for longer than was smart. Because i felt really good and i had a ton of energy and i lost weight but you can do it eating when you're only hungry and magically you probably do get caloric restriction without noticing or caring which is the whole goal versus like when when you're obese saying. I'm just gonna eat a rice cakes and low fat puffs of something or another. You're just ravenous all the time. It's very hard to maintain compliance. Then you've messes with all sorts of things like blood sugar. So i know that there's like we're circling around with all this research that there's something magic that's happening here. But we aren't certain exactly what all the pathways are. not right. No not certain at this point and it could definitely be the key tones coming up and we know that you know from the lcd diets that are out there and and And and how that works we don't know but but but the elsie did. Is they really. Bring up the keystone. That was liquid calorie diets And you'll paleo type diets bring up key tones and they are in humans anyway. Suppressing hunger and How how that works really has not because doesn't seem to work so well in mice and so they can't mechanisms quite so well as i can do In a mouse model. Have you ever looked at a kitone levels directly during any of these Yes so we always measured tone levels With the women with the women steadiest. So they're definitely And they're up maybe a depend. I mean the longest the more they go up so when we did the first study with Olten fasting way back in two thousand and five and they actually fostered For more city. Two hours labels sevenfold. Kitaen stott come up at around sixteen hours after you stopped too fast And they keep going up from there so long you fast. The high your ketone. That will scar But it's interesting this a lot of variation in that so when we look at ladies And they you know they're telling us fasting And some some of the some of the ladies have big increases in canes with a twenty four hour foss and some of them only go up by that small amount maybe they got point one and some of them up point four point five and so you see there's a big big variation in individual changes in key chines and this is when we were providing their fruits to them so it wasn't what though eating the day before the other thing we were saying. Was that during the week. So when we get them to pass on monday wednesday and friday by friday they keep turn levels Kind of higher than they were on monday. So that sued fast in the week And they had And i guess they reset a little bit on the weekend but having that two days of eating so on that saturday sunday. Slow of back down again on that monday. So so i think doing that. The day of fasting per week I think that it. it's kind of additive. Along the way. I found some research I've put in a couple of my books. And i don't remember where it was done. But they were finding a level of point three eight In the blood for key tones was affecting cc k. and point four eight was affecting grellet so you could raise these point three. So i've always said look do whatever it takes to get your tetons. Two point. Five and fasting alone does it if not. Mcat oil works just fine but once you hit point five you stop thinking about food and then passing. It just doesn't matter what side. You're in ricky time zoe doing this was. That was a study. This was a study. I i don't remember It was without level with a point. Second decimal point almost has to be a blood kito not year. He can't get can't get good stuff. The idea there that for people who don't get kitone bumpier just at point one. It takes more willpower. And so i'm like how do i take. What what little we know which is way more than we used to. And turn it into actionable stuff. So people don't get angry during the day. Because that was always my issue when i was really heavy and i've heard from so many people and you know we're kind of getting these little illuminating facts. That are out there and then saying which ones matter. So what is your favorite. Or what is the most interesting of all of the metabolites are compounds that you're seeing affected by fascinating. Which one intrigues you. The most I mean the. I mean i think they all interact a lot of times too. I don't know that. I wanna hang everything on a key turn. I have So we've tried to so with without human studies so you'll try and look at things that predict the change so you'll say okay. Let's look at the change in the key chosen. Look if they correlate with the change in the way los angeles look at the changing fatty acids and all the change in amino acids and side do. They relate to those things you know. We haven't seen anything to may. That's gonna put me in one direction but you know again. I'm going to hang my hat on the new study coming off. i think because it's big And we should be. I would answer more of these questions. So i'm hoping that that that will do it But yeah. I haven't been able to hang a hat on something at this point. Unfortunately we dive. Or i the publishing papers. I think you're definitely arms but let's say that you had to hang your hat somewhere right. Yeah and if you're gonna you're gonna guess there's always the hardest thing for true scientists yet to answer. But i don't know for sure but you're going to place a bet like i'm gonna give you a million dollars and you got about on some. Where would you put it. Yeah yeah yeah no. You're right i One thing do you know. Because i haven't really measured it yet. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go back to the i'm going to get back. You are interested in yes. I think that that is a pathway. That's really super interesting That is activating a lot of things. But the other thing that we're doing in this study is is looking at towfighi. So gb autophagy as you mentioned before an and i guess it's kind of hard to explain but it's kind of like this Cellulose self eating process. So when you fasting. Or when you restrict amino acids you activate or you inhibit m torn. You activate tow fuji and autophagy goes around and up all of the broken bits and your cells and it makes energy out of them Now we know that autophagy is activated in mice when they fast. But we really don't know what's happening. And whether twenty hours twenty four hours will have many hours and search activate autophagy in humans on the other thing you need to look at is not just the marcus of tofte g bit how it is changing when you challenge it and so it taking blood samples from outpatients and where it challenging them. With chlorine linen Which inhibits autophagy. So we're looking at the ability to kind of quickly shut off towfighi or to activate tow and the flip side and so we're looking on fasting days and on eating days and in calorie restriction and fasting and so i'm kind of really excited about those results as well And so We've again we've We've actually finished collecting. Rudd's for that for that sub. Study of this trial End the going to be run. Hopefully this year but yes so All the buds are collected and they've been treated with the chloroquine and where it going to be excited to see whether we would changing g also in humans when we do austing. This is calorie restriction. Oh i can't wait to see the results of that study at. Have you ever personally used meant for. Men are rapamycin or any other advanced similar. Dick a tougher g kind of things or use her to leave that for the mice. Yeah no. I haven't i couldn't tell you what what they like. I have a friend that does make foam when periodically and he likes it. But i haven't. I haven't tried that note. I i went on metformin for about three years. When the first house came out in two thousand three said it was a caloric restriction mimetic and i met the team from biomarker farmer pharmaceuticals who had published that i research and i feel that got on it. And i. now there's some evidence that it inhibits chrome two or something. Some kind of mitochondrial inhibition in mile poison. Yeah and that doesn't mean it doesn't make you stronger but probably taking every day isn't good and taken when you exercise really that good and taking it during a fast might be good but i. I'm hopeful that over the next few years we get more info about the proper timing of metformin and these other things like rapamycin the The absence On metformin. i already lost a lot of the weight that i wanted to lose. And let's see. This was back in two thousand three so i was probably about. I think i was mostly would have been doing my vegan diet phase than which was a very bad time probably lost weight from malnutrition and excessive all sorts of toxins. That was not a good outcome Even though i was very careful vegan with lots of blenders and whatever So it was probably compounded that way but i i've gone on in office since then and i've never felt great on it and so maybe it just doesn't agree with me but i am happy to take at once a week but i said it wasn't a regular thing there's a there's a definite you know. Said they see responders and non responders with metformin in diabetes. All the time so there's people That just really respond And i guess genetics that don't really have a way to pick them except for if it's not working quickly they might as well try something else And so there is a definite Degree of responders in individuals with metformin back could be as wildness by some genetic things. Some microbiome thing and who the heck knows You publish something in the journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism just last year in twenty twenty talking about impaired lipid metabolism. Can you could reverse with caloric restriction but you looked at af versus cr. Strangely it looks like a twenty four hour fast impaired insulin sensitivity. Can you talk about what you find there. Yes so definitely We asked saying that. I'm not surprised. Really suit fasting always impairs insurance sensitivity. I actually thought twenty four hours would wouldn't be enough to do it. M this is Again in women. We tested this. Oh twenty four hours of fasting is enough to impair insulin sensitivity so you nature so when you're not eating you need to spare glucose and so one of the things that happens when you fast is you raise So you have lots of la policies. Lots of fat burning going on and you raise your lipid levels up You know you drop your insulin levels You had the the nautilus terrified fatty acids levels come up in your blood And there are lots of lots of things going on but you will induce insulin. Resistance in muscle It was transient. So it was gone by the next day when they hit So we saw this. Transient switch in insulin's since jeopardy insulin resistance and joel sensitivity insulin resistance And so i'm not terribly surprised. The tests that we do for that also is looking at maximal insulin sensitivity so you kind of looking at the is not a physiological test. We shop somebody full of insulin and you really looking at really high levels And so testing how. They how sensitive they ought to that. Insulin to that maximal insulin dose how they muscles a sensitive so it's not something your body actually normally sees so we re testing that using a meal taunts test in this study again so we're going to do miltants test on a fasting day. I don't wanna see whether we're changing. How the body is handling glucose in response to re fating essentially on that to normal repeating not the frappuccino with two hundred grams of sugar. Right right so we know what. We're still doing milkshake. So it's still a little bit abnormal but Yes so we're doing. It's quite a challenge. Still i think so. We we kind of Maxing the system a little bit. My shouldn't have gone sir. We done if we've done a solid meal as people normally would eight We might see something different again but we. We chose to do a shame. Because it's kind of easy to standardize in the lab. There is a recent big media blitz about the worst thing you could do for breakfast and and it had to do with drinking coffee before breakfast or after breakfast but their definition of breakfast was a straight. Sugar like glucose tolerance tests. I catholicos really coffee. Before glucose tolerance tests or coffee after glucose tolerance test. Which one was better for you but that was not a breakfast. Any human would eat even at a donut shop. So i was. I was surprised but it did look like coffee. Certainly was having a negative effect right before. A huge amount of sugar Any ideas on how important coffee as during fast. I know you allow it. And i know it doubles ketone production but kind of what. What's your what are your thoughts on that we can. We allow for to make people happy. I guess you never know if he if you don't get coffee when you normally have coffee you have a headache so you know it's it's like a it's just like nicotine like a drug and you will. You will have a caffeine with joel during your passing day. Which is already you know. Hard cert to allow coffee during that that day is is going to have a negative effect on people who normally drink coffee but it also gives them something to to fill their billy and do while other people are eating so they can have a cup of tea or coffee And that's why we do it rather than than trying to activate or double any pathways or anything like that. So it's more of a. We do it for a psychological aspect to help. People stick to otherwise fasting. I have found that black coffee absolutely helps with fasting adherents because of the social aspects. You just talked about and then. There's the caffeine doubling ketone production so that people are at point one might get two point to if they have a couple of small cups of coffee which for the low key tone responders may be enough to to feel the difference And i i just. I know getting against that will coffee. Drink is not the ones. That didn't change my dad i would want to know. Yeah i I i've always betting against coffee. In general is a bad idea. When i opened my coffee shop in santa monica book cafe across the street. There was a place called gunpowder. Tea was kind of funny because bulletproof and gunpowder but they had a big sign up front. That said no coffee here. And i'm like good for business because they're going to come over to my side of the street and the other store did close as well. Yeah we have bulletproof will make your macho with the mcat oil stopping it and also without butter. If you want it that way it was healthy with but sorry you've given shot at alive. He'll try it and literally. It's actually really big in australia. Bulletproof has always been a big there. But then you'll try it and all of a sudden you wanna run a trial on it because of what it does cognitively. It's a it's like the anti hungary thing for for during fasting there's certainly no amino acids in there Especially if you make it with gabe versus butter So it's not gonna activate break tafa g by amino acid metabolism. That's for sure and it doesn't raise insulin in third party studies. So there's that but you know there there's stuff we don't know 'cause there haven't been enough clinical trials saying you know what does it do for instance to the microbiome specifically in what impact with that have unfermented cuties versus bacteria dis which are independent factors. And there's all kinds of neat stuff to learn so give me time. I'll do some research. 'cause i at this point so many people have lost a ton away. I know the hunger affects but the why is something. I'm still circling. You also looked at in a study. I think you touched on it earlier. But i wanted to review it with listeners. You talked about this from the obesity journal You looked at time restricted feeding early versus time restricted feeding delayed attacked by and then just overall whether they did or didn't but it was interesting. Because you're looking continuous glucose monitoring. Something that i do as well with the levels health device and What did you guys find. A around his overall Time restricted fasting regardless. What what was the was. The positive outcomes when you didn't pay attention to the time of day. So i'm with the continuous glucose monitors sir The So that would dance. So we had reductions in Sorry that's donald study since we published yet were about to And the so with that. Study we saw overnight glucose levels would down definitely but thou up during the day so that we didn't see any overall change in twenty four hour glucose But really we saw a swing. Back to s- acadian patent. So if we looked at the continuous glucose monitors a baseline that will kind of you know just all over the place here whereas if you Did time you really a twenty. Four hour cycle back into glucose so that you had lloyd because levels at night and high glucose levels of the day and that's probably what we're supposed to in annexed study which Wifely have out soon. We did see that twenty. Four hour glucose Main glucose was was was him think it was significantly down Only by about point to mow cop translate that into milligrams per decilitre anymore is four oral five four five. Thank you bye-bye seventeen or something yeah. Eighteen yes so So it was it was down we saw Glaciated hemoglobin was down at now next study as well. So the diabetes responses are improving with Time time restricted eating At this point. I'm really comfortable telling people like don't eat after about five thirty and if you do that you're probably gonna live longer. Would you say that that's likely to Yeah i think that five five-phase tough for some people and so maybe we might need to be a little more lenient and say six thirty six thirty because you know by the time you get home from work sometimes. It's just tough so if you put too great a time pressure on people what i'm worried about. Is they go. Oh i have to eat by this time. I better stop at mcdonald's on the way home and grabbed my dino and. I'm pretty sure that if you did that sort of thing you'll be undoing. Some of the good things of time restricted eating. So you know elect time restricted eating. Because you know it's really hard to change everything about your life. Change everything leading to change You know to to to say okay. I don't wanna eat this. I don't want this. I have to change to be this dot quality And that's really hard for people to maintain for a really long period of time With shine lots of that lots of times when you have People who who stopped who get diabetes and stopped going to see dieticians have this immediate great response in changing a lot of their diets qualities and changing everything. They're eating but they slipped back over time. And so i think that thomas defeating is great. Because you don't really have to change everything that you're eating and you're still going to have some some really good affects But i think if you started to have bad behaviors because of time pressure. Then then you're not going to see the improvement that that boko you makes so much sense it basically saying if you continue eating whatever you eat now and you add time restriction. You're going to improve. But if you add time restriction and lower your food quality you might not improve which totally makes sense An and it it's that. Where do you get compliance verses. Were you get great data and it's always been the challenge unless you're doing timers defeating you know in a prison system or something and we are already so it got as already so mean to people in prison anyway and we feed them the worst food and treat them really poorly. I don't believe it's nice to experiment on them so we have an argument here that perhaps out prisoners achieved a better than nursing home folks. So you know the nursing home are half the prison budgets. And so what they providing those people. So we've we've got a big On our hence here. I think in australia trying to improve dot quality and nursing home residents which is super important as well so yes but Yeah the I think that if you improved your dot quality or at lea- stopped eating all the things that you used to eat and drink We thomas richard aiding You know you will improve dot quality a little bit anyway. So hopefully you know. Usually the things that people eat at nine o'clock at night or alcohol in Ice cream and jason. You know that kind of poor quality food. I think so. They are probably cutting that out with time machine. We don't on that people tend to move it. Some people do To move it from nine pm till nine. am But you know we did that for a trial that was just talking about elliott. Hasn't come out yet but we we did was moving ice cream from nine pm to eleven. Am so we fed them during the trial And they still improved glucose control just from having that moving that food around That's so cool. So it's it's when you eat as much as as what you eat. What do you do now that you have all of the benefit of all this research so but you have breakfast. Do you have dinner like like what. What's your average practice. When you're doing things the way you wanna do right. So i've just come back from three weeks of holidays where i've done absolutely nothing and i do need to reset. I think so i'm going. I haven't started yet. But i will and when i do it i will do When i decided i needed to lose five kilos or something like that. I will do like a three day week. period I don't do what i tell my patients to do and i tend to have a big kind of bowl of vegetables in the evening as my five hundred calories ish thank And so i. I would get a whole bunch of broccoli and cauliflower and brussels sprouts and root vegetables not potatoes and roast them in the oven and have them for my denham On a vaccine day so So i feel somewhat full when i do that The other thing that i do quite regularly is to have Breakfast and dinner and don't eat during the day cool so network that works for me also when you say three days a week. You're talking every other day. You're not doing three contiguous right now. I don't tend to a three year three days together. i tend to every other day And also i I daren't time restricted eating I mean i try. I have. I'm really tried to do it. Actually i should have. I have never really tried to go. Let between ten and six and I haven't done a more if i'm gonna i. I wanna go hide lose weight and go longer so what we see without time. Restricted dot says. We see improvements in house but we don't see a big changing body weight generally so You lose two or three kilos Butts some people do better. That's true some people do better but most people don't lose much weight but that's the exciting thing. Thomas juicy dating. I think because you improve health. Even though you didn't lose much weight this is more of a medic question for you. So i've talked with sachin panda. And he tends to go out and just try everything on himself right and he's like. Oh i told my mom to do time restricted eating and her you know her diabetes went away. Like who would who thought earlier. Danny would do that. But so many of the people. I've interviewed who are. Academic researchers have never tried the substances or the techniques. Or just. don't do the ones that they're studying the most. Why do you think that is. I don't know. I think that So you know. I i exercise a lot. I do a lot of high intensity. Exercise trying never studied high intensity exercise training but i hind tent city into training interesting and i Doodoo fasting as a as a way to stop to global christmas and potties in the new. Yeah so i. I do that but i just haven't done time. She should eating it. So you're not alone there by the way it lightly. No no judge monroe thing. It's it's just it's it's an interesting is interesting. i think it's a mindset thing about wanting to know with one hundred percents certainty. Before you do it and i thought you might have thought about it. Yes absolutely why did fasting. So i've done that. Plenty plenty of times Bucket but your favorites. And that's what you do because it works. Yeah yeah and i actually have also a little four days. A week So thousand calories five days a week and then eating on the weekend so i never studied that one never tested that one but that's an upstream frosting mimicking perspective Awesome while so you have tested a bunch of the stuff but not all stuff. I i hear you there. What thank you for sharing all this time and precious knowledge and also thanks for doing the hard work to get the knowledge in the first place. I genuinely appreciate your work in the world. And you're shedding light on something that we didn't know about and i think every year from here on out for the next ten or so years we're gonna just keep going. Wow who would've thought that you know this food at this time ideal. So thanks for being one of the pioneers. Thank you so much if you guys want to know more. There isn't a particular url for you to go to. You can go to researchers that adelaide dot edu dot edu dash profile the only broad. So that's That will be in the show notes for you. 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052219 Part 1

Ace and TJ

51:09 min | 2 years ago

052219 Part 1

"Welcome to the ace and TJ radio fail. Family, my wife and I went with another couple to south Florida spent the weekend, it was fun. We were at the pool. One day, and we'd been drinking from the pool bar eating food from the pool food service there the restaurant and all that and we were going somewhere else. So before we were gonna leave the pool they wanted to take a picture over by the view of the ocean and everything. So I said, I'm going to settle up with the bar here and then I'll be right over there. So I go over. And so I said, Jodi, because all of my, my wallet. Everything was in the beach bag. And I said Joe just give me your card. And then I'll go settle up on each over there. So I go up, there are bunch of people around the bar, these people that work, there have been waiting on us for two days. Now, we've gotten to know them kind of their cool workable. Hand them Jody's card. She runs it comes back and shows me on the receipt there in front of everybody that has been declined. And circle. The word declined on the receipt. The the, the bartender getting Kate. It was cash ame- out so their way on the other end of the pool getting ready for this picture, I have to walk away from. Oh, okay. Hold on. Let me go get another card walk all the way there. And I tell Jodi, can you give me my wallet out of the beach bag because they've declined to your card. She goes. Yeah. That's just that protection thing. They just sent me a text about it. So it should be fine. Now, just just go run mine again. I said, no just give me my wanna take a different car. Just give me my wallet, and I never just blow up and snap on I get mad, but it's never just like that. And she was continuing to argue it's fine. Just go back over there. I don't wanna go back over there with this car, just in case, I wanna take another car that I know is going to work in case that didn't go through yet to. It's they just texted me, and I just went. My brother. What did you say just said, that's what would it hurt? Nothing have to be proven that I needed to use her car just to show that it was. Okay, just kidding. It's right there. Hand me my wife. She goes, well, what is Rowley? Yes. And I'm already humiliated. Yeah, we're like on this, the and, you know, you just been breaking out in red watches, and most people would not people probably didn't think anything about it. But to me, it was that feeling of when your kid, and you want some cereal in the grocery store, and you take it off the shelf, and you run to the other end of the store, where your mom is, and you say, mom, looking, we get this, and she says, no, go put that back that walk alway back across the grocery store to put that cereal back where you got it. Multiply that by ten times of is just felt. I stared at me like hood, big spender over here. You get paid Bill. You got decline. And so I just wanted to, to get it over with didn't want to go try another card. I wanted my card out of the bag. Just give me. TJ connected, funny. Funny. Show. Go to that rule. Work at radio saviors, tell them where the ladies who worked in sales, not allowed to our pants head to wear skirts or dresses and the men weren't allowed to wear were khakis. Can they j yeah? But they have to have a jacket. Think they had to have a jacket all the time. But always dress pants are chino type pants which you should if you're in sales. Muhsin into people's businesses work for a radio station. You should be dressed better than jeans or better than, you know, teachers and principals these days, and let's face it, that whole that whole ladies have to wear ladies have to wear dresses skirts that should just be the real life in general. Really, there should never be a moment pants. We'll just enforce the Pentecostal lot. By the way, I'm kidding for somebody's into. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I want to get them out those leggings. Yeah. There to comp those leggings pants. Yeah. But, you know, when I was growing up not to cast aspersions on anyone. But when I was, you know, middle school high school all that stuff and the girls that tended to be from some type of religious background that required them to wear skirts or dresses at all times were always out of control, like wild. There's a whole batch of. Wow, that's crazy. They were completely out of control. The parents aren't here. Let's get wild. Imagine wearing everyday. Okay. I'm still on that focus on. Grossed out so uncomfortable kind of, like I am when I go into the city during the day, and I see those business people scurrying about trying to get from office to office and. Thank god. They're, they're you know, they're using holding up their part of the economy. That's not for me. I'll be mainly because I would be terrible at that. Not getting from office to office. But doing something productive. Once I got there. No idea. Explain something to me yesterday. It was so hot, you and your dog got into a fountain. Yeah. Well, they have the fountains that come out of the ground. Oh, okay. I miss read it. I don't know. What do you call that their jets of water that shoot out of the ground? But it's it's a pop up found. Yes, intially isn't it the name of the every now? And then it just. Yeah. Found for kids. Yeah, yeah. I think it's you're allowed to walk through it. But it was it was ninety five degrees outside, and we'd already walked a mile up there. So I was like, I'll walk through it. So we walked home looking like idiots shoes and socks and. My dog gets what he looks like a gross rat. So it was it was really a scene, and people were staring. Oh my gosh. I don't know why I mean other than we looked ridiculous. But yeah, it was ugly. It was gross. But it was so hard, this swimming, that's you don't have to dogs hair cut short. In the summer where he gets hot. They told me not to do it. Look, really. That's good. Yeah. That keeps them cool and says, tweeted something yesterday. I don't know what it is. What is wine country? Oh, it's Lydia net flicks is the best movie, right now that I'm obsessed with is it with those Saturday night. Live women the west. So good. It's a group of five or six women in their fifties. Celebrating a birthday and they all go to Napa. I know you would think like why. Twitter leeuwe. I've watched this movie twenty seven times says with with it's still on. It's just comforting movie to have on all the time. It's got Senator, right. Or the writers to, like, I think that weren't actors on the show. They're just a writers of Saturday Night Live. And then some of the actresses from Saturday night I thought it was a series when you've been talking about it so much I thought it was a series. I wish I wish there's more to the movie films. When moving maybe sit through that. Enjoy it. A lot of times. I don't like that. Amy Poehler and, and what's her name? Tina Tina Fey. She has in it. No, no phase. Clip is I think three minutes are. Yeah, but you can get to that. Yeah, I will. I watch it because I like lady humor. A love a good rom com. You'll know that. Rom coms, make me cry. Just as much as they make me laugh. I think there's a little more cry than lamp in a rom com. Here's a Joey usually at the end, when they're chasing the woman through the airport. When he finally figured out that he really does truly love her, and she's about to fly off to India. Mind herself. But he says I'm here might yourself at me, right? India socks anyway. Hayes Antija they've ever used that as a selling boy, I. Start with that. Hera by spending time on YouTube yesterday. You may have seen a music video that pops up with your recommended videos on the training. It's a month old but suddenly it has become. Has it become the thing are? They're trying to make people are trying to make it become the thing trying to make it a thing. It's a country song by guy named the party. That's part of delicious. Audio. Joe, WalMart, family mobile, check out their unlimited plans with no contracts right in the electrics department, at WalMart and see how much you could save on. Are you ready for everything and nothing all the time? Hey, it's as for my podcast ace, at large knew each Thursday at twelve noon through itunes and Google play. Looking for spectacular deals, the spring break in summer travel Email or travel, agent, Michelle at travel at ace, TJ dot com and follow Acer large on Twitter hashtag, as at large at Papa John's, we believe the best debates are pizza the bids. 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What buck and bass okay deer head in a bass. I like that. A lot. Shocking to see that on YouTube training, paid country music, especially something as kind of. You know, unapologetic is that rarely makes it onto that, and if it is a country song, that makes that it's got to be something. It's huge. Yeah. Blowing up or something somewhere Dickey's stuff like that. He's from Mississippi. I take it because he's wearing a hat has a Mississippi has the shape of the Mississippi State on. I did find exciting yesterday low Naza gave biller Cyrus a Maserati the oppose mates. Post. Thank you. They spent thirty dollars to make that song. That's crazy. Yeah. Old town road whether now making millions but yeah, he posts us out. It was everywhere yesterday. He, he posts mated Bill race iris a Maserati as thanks for what he did for this just fed task. There's one more thing, this kind of go making the rounds from politicians, yet, it's not really political Alexandria, all Cossio, Cortez AO, c and Elizabeth Warren doing interviews yesterday, and in between one and they started talking about the game of thrones finale, both a little upset how the whole thing ended, if you haven't seen it, yet this contain spoilers, okay? Here we go. Disappointed about it. I was just really. I feel like we were getting so close to having this ending with just women running the world, then the last. Like, oh, they're to emotional exactly the end. Like. I was even willing at the intimate a quick allegiance shift when Danny went nuts, rape. So I was over to sonza. Why was like Tian I will redo my shirts. Total thing and yet Sante picked up off the cuff of talking about it was it, though. Looks like war is never doing anything off the cuff at Elizabeth Warren is, is researching everything, somebody's telling her. She's not watching game of thrones just like in that when she announced her campaign for presidency, and she did it in her kitchen, and it was supposed to be this. Little impromptu video, I believe, I'm gonna get me a beer. In her husband, because here comes my Honey, Honey. Would you like a beer. No, thank you. It was all rehearsed stiff. And plus the both liar. So. Alexandra Casio Cortez and there's much liar as Elizabeth Warren. She didn't. NT jay. Our home market of Charlotte. North Carolina has made the national news. And it's interesting to everybody listening to the show, so we will bring it to you. Knicks. Donate and just one dollar to as indeed as radio. Family terry. We're ready campaign. Money on for immediate help members of our radio family might need at J dot com, and the as a DJ at the radio Family Dollar link to donate. Are you in the process of a divorce, and you finding yourself overwhelmed scared and confused with everything you need to know? 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Free store. Yeah. The video from last week's entries are on trays was Jodi now wife, I wasn't being the smarter. You can tell we are a well oiled machine around here ever. We got we got so much stuff going on. We gotta split up. Yeah. We got split them up two more days to, to get into this contest this week, okay through Thursday video then probably that's every week to all right now that sucks more than one hundred dollars a week my having to do something every week. I mean fifteen seconds may not sound like much. But a lot goes into that. Fifteen. All right. There is a story out of mint hill, North Carolina, which is right here where we live in Charlotte area. And it has made national news, because there's a firearm trainer name is Michael. Pilgrim p grim. He's now offering gun training classes to children as young as six. And obviously, you got a bunch of people freaking out about that. He says, there's no other class like this. So I decided to come up with. It's strictly to show kids how to safely treat a gun first and foremost that think the protocol is, he teaches the kids if you see a gun somewhere, go find an adult tell the adult, you know, an, obviously, never point, a gun at any, but it's classwork going through all of that, and then he goes out, and the, in the, on the range shows them how to shoot with Nerf gun how to aim do that. Then they graduate up to a twenty two caliber pistol. And if they're really good, like there's a nine year old they keep mentioning in the story, maybe that nine year old would get to shoot a higher powered pistol. I have no problem at all in the. That what happens when you when kids, see say they are at someone's house, and they see a gun and they've never known anything about guns. They wanna go play with it. So it's, it's teaching them to respect the handgun and how dangerous it is. And it's not telling them just go grab it and start. Hey, here's how you shoot it. But obviously there are some people upset about. I mean I can see why. Thank you. Zero problem with. I think it's, it's for their sake. I don't know. But they have to practice doing these things. Right. Officers bullets in the guns, but. Then that's even more dangerous practicing with the loaded gun kids, that's not gonna end will. Was already ending William lot kids have already gone through the program. They don't practice on their own. It's not like when you were playing sports and then you go softball, you can't go throw the ball off the roof and catches. You know it's not like that. They're in a controlled environment here within drunk doing is not much different from what my dad did with me. Oh, please don't this. Don't get. The main difference is this guy sober. J either way. We had an structure, how to handle it. I just knew there was no healthy environment where you were handling a gun. Oh, totally. Hell under fifteen. He was just having great while he was showing with these kids are better off. Okay. That's what in the world could have me interested enough in a story about Spanish squash, not the food. But the games squad. Devoted what my. Somebody is hot. Your long on the right path. They're details next. Want to save up to seventy five percent on domestic or international airline tickets. Then call low cost airlines for prices. So low, we can't publish them. Call eight hundred two eight seven forty seven sixteen eight hundred two eight seven forty seven sixteen. Coming up on the ace and JJ show. One of our favorite things in the world, is it only takes one snowflake to cave in the roof. It's very deep profound, and we're gonna find out what your snowflakes were, what was your snowflake the caved in your roof. We're going to ask you to put your warm thinking capsule. You people. I don't really even know what squash is. I mean, I know the, the garden variety of squash, and I know how to prepare it. But the game squash is that kind of like racquet ball, a I I don't really know. I just know it's played in a little room like racquet. Yeah. Yeah. Squash from okay? I don't call it a squash room, I think as opposed to the with the smash room mushroom Smith. Mushroom and squash room where lady in leather comes in and does things. Squashing. I don't know. But they had their lady squash championship in Spain. In these ungrateful women who won the tournament the championship are complaining because they don't like the prizes that they want. For example, the woman who won the Chaim ship, she got first place. She received a trophy and. A lady toy. That's the first place winner received a lady toy and Towfighi and she's complaining. Yeah. And then the second third and fourth place finishers got. Foot file thing. You know, one of those show, Dr shoal electric. Okay. But files your heels and stuff and some hair removal things. And they're complaining saying that's sexist. Well, let's be fair to the people that put it on in order to have great prizes like that are great prizes for such an event, you've got to be bringing in some money and nobody's going to watch squash tournament. Nobody goes to watch that unless you're like in China where they tell you everybody's going to the squash tournament today. Choice. Yeah. Wow. So, yeah, the electronic foot file in the in the hair removal wack. He gave her a lady with. And that will that was I pry. She was presented that in front of. Yes. No way the people and then here's what I don't understand. She says, quote, we were very surprised very shocked. We think it's very sexist in quote what? Oh the stick in the mud. That's really shocking that very surprise. No hold in the trophy. Yeah. They're not they're not holding up the trophy and they look so disgusted having to stand there and take that big was it? Sponsored by the that made that lady toy, I don't know. Even if it were. Why would you have them sponsor? Country you take whatever you can get. I always think about at no point anyone male or female, no one stopped and said, hey, this is a little inappropriate, nobody thought of that. They all said ou yet idea. Yeah, that's gonna love. Why women love these things give them what they want you? I mean, let's spoil them that class brother time. What? Coming up on now trending with Riggins the major drama is no longer between the dictator from North Korea. And President Trump Kim Jong Hoon has a new target in his sights in his eight, an American who is in the news today, and it's a Larry details in training in less than ten minutes. This is the show. The news, it's more portent now trending with ribbons on the ace and TJ show. We'll get to the real news, that is taking over the internet here, just a second, but first happy national pudding debt nila winning go. Oh, sorry. It's okay, but it's not chocolate, PU. Food. Food. And this is specifically vanilla, put Chaka jello. Yeah. I've never have put it always. Oh. Dan, hood into best though. Nobody's gonna be banana. But the base for the banana Putin is, but Nilo Putin. Real any those jello Putin's I'm all in on. You may have it home like that are making them used to make up with the kid, all the time you'll ever have snack packs, the pudding cups. Yeah. Super thought about buying them. And then I looked on the thing it said, no refrigeration needed, and I was like, what is that about, what does not need to be refrigerated out? I'm not that interested doesn't mean you can't refrigerator why, but why does it not need because because of you ever noticed how hard that thick thick foil over the top of it is off because it's pressured into there and it's an it's ILD like that. And also has preservatives in, I'm sure it's kind of sketch me out, but sugar is a preservative. Is it I didn't know that sugar and saw. And it's also national craft distillery day. So, unfortunately TJ doesn't enjoy home beers. But for everybody else that does seem to love him today's your day does that khloe. Passion have a new belly button. That's what the internet is trying to decide they, they said she had a tummy tuck and all this stuff, but, you know, khloe kardashian's real weird about bellybutton. She thinks her so gross. She doesn't like looking at anybody's bellybutton. She 'paparazzi caught her out wearing a, a shirt showed off her crop top like a crop top. And people are saying she has a new belly button after tell me, but, I couldn't tell you I don't know what a belly button looks like after we talked to a lady on the show, one time who had all that done in her belly button fell out in the shower. Oh store. Scoop it up and take to the doctor that's discussing for a checkup. They take out on. I really don't. They move. They reposition your stomach, the scan on it, and stuff and hers was an artificial. They tuck it into your home. Oh my God. That's what a tummy tuck is they take the extra stomach from your extra skin from your stomach and tuck it into your butt. It's weird strategy. I'll be out that way. When when you gain weight again, you, they can add the skin back to write for safekeeping got it's. It's. Where they got the word that I'm fanny pack. Hey, there, couldn't get that worked out of my head things thinker. The same concept of getting pants him d- and have not cut off the material. But just tuck it into the pant. And so that way you needed later, you need that extra making unroll it out of there. What a really? Uh-huh. Joe Biden was on the campaign trail. And he said, I President Donald Trump has has a history of cozying up to dictators and tyrants. And guess who that upset Kim Jong owned from North Korea who then called Joe Biden, who is a presidential candidate, a fool of low IQ. And he said yet, he is praising himself as being the most popular presidential candidate. This is enough to make a cat laugh. So the North Korea it's a weird kind of language is low low. I q though Joe Biden or Kim Jong that express Joe Biden a cat laugh because. Yeah, I get it. Weird. I mean how would a Cal you. Shot. I don't have. You're not gonna make me out to be a full. That makes sense. He may be saying that because Joe Biden say things like stand up chocolate, everybody. See you in a wheelchair and the crowd. Oh my. Oh, god. Love you. What am I saying? Everybody here, everybody. Stand up for Chuck. One of those is. Makes a lot of gaffes and President Obama uses. Joe joe. Joey, all those things are. All right. It only takes one snowflake to cave in the roof. What does that mean? And where are your snowflakes? We'll explain it all. And we'll find out next. TJ. Wanna hear the TJ show and stay connected? Funny later today as TJ twenty four seven is the show, replayed all day through the as TJ app. Sponsored by Papa John's downloaded on I tunes, Google play and Amazon now TJ. You know, only TJ show, one of the things that we are known for is helping people either fix their relationship or get over their relationship or get out of the relationship. Sometimes, we're good at getting people out of relationships that we were trying to fix. 'cause it's happened a few times, where we're not the best at it, but still we try and that's all that matters. We care about you, and we're not charging you. For this. Life advice, you choose to take our I told you, bro. So what do I favor? It sayings is how many snowflakes does it take to cave in a roof? And the answer is one. Because it's the final snowflake that lands. That makes the roof fall. And when you talk about things that you deal with in your life. There is a. A one snowflake situation in all of our lives that we've had happened things that have built up through time. Snide comment here a big betrayal there. And then all of a sudden that one little snowflake like he left a light on in the bathroom. Again, I wanted to voice the bathroom light was the snowflake that caved in the roof. He brought home the food, but he got the wrong thing for her, and it just proves. He doesn't listen. I can't take it any more. You said you're gonna get better. Now. You're not an I cannot do this any longer. He forgot his dress pants for the wedding. Yes. Riggins. That up. That was true. That was Reagan's relationship before. How how many things had how many other snowstorms were lying on the roof before the one snowflake of forgetting your pants to be able to go to that wedding with her. It was a hundred of those type of things there was never a major blow out. No infidel. Yeah. Nothing like that was all I forgot my pants of the wedding. You know, I didn't remember to do blah, blah, blah, I don't have your favorite dip here for breakfast. I forgot you like ruffles instead of regular laze. All building upon the snowstorm of you just don't pay attention. You don't really care. You're not in this as much as I. But the the one snowflake was offer got my pants. Yeah. So. We'll be the best way to do this. We have a list of, of snow storms, and then the one snowflake that later came along is like, comparing the size of the other things to the one little snowflake where people would go you broke up with him because he left the bathroom light on no broke up with him because data, and he then left him the light on in the bathroom when he knew I couldn't stand it. Yeah. So the one snowflake that caved in your relationship roof, I'm always curious from the snow storm, so to speak. What is the, the time lapse before the snowflake occurs that cash in the roof? You know what I mean? Like did they go six months two years? Whatever it was before it just built itself up. And that one snowflake occurred. You got to the point where I can't take it anymore. Well, I think a lot of the times the, the snowflake the one snowflake episode happens when, when someone doesn't voice, their displeasure all the time, they build up and build up. Okay. And they try to go on, and they don't say anything about it. And the other person is not fair to them, because they think of wait, what is where is this coming from? Because he just builds and builds and builds into their goes caving in all around us. It doesn't have to be a relationship with a significant other, either a romantic type relationship. It can be a relationship with your best friend or your mother in law. You know, I don't know if people realize this or not, this is this is new information that's just out, but a lot of times why and their mothers in law. Don't get along. They resent each other a lot of times, there's something that just happened. The very first response came in. Guess who the snowflake is that caved in the roof of their relationship us? Yes. Well, see, we're always putting things back together, or destroying them either. Where the snowflake that caved in the. All right. So. All the TJ show. The TJ show presents a moment with ace wrestling with. I'm just not no crazy maniac. Like type of guy, you know, I'm a guy very successful. You see what I'm jiving. This is this is a main thing. What's happening right now? The old adage, it only takes one snowflake to cave in the roof will was your one snowflake caved in your relationship roof. The first one we got was a lady saying that we were the snowflake they that caved in the relationship roof. She's in my husband called in about our throttle. Throw people is three people in a relationship, and that was the one snowflake that made me leave, I tried to fake it for so long that I was okay with what he wanted us to do. But after hearing him describe what it was supposed to look like I realized he wasn't doing that at all. So I told him he had to choose and he decided he couldn't stop that lifestyle. So the one snowflake was him calling the ace and TJ show. And that was a more show after the that we talked to him in depth, that they worked more show is, we do it live every for thirty minutes at the end of the radio show every day at ten eastern nine central, and then it's a podcast that posts at noon, every on, I tunes, Google play music at TJ dot com. It's all sponsored by Papa John's and their fantasy. Pizza. So yeah, the whole thing was that. He he the way he told it was he pretty much makes the rules of the, the throttle. It's him his wife, and another woman who is married, and they're all okay with it. And you know, the, the way it works and. Made it's made it seem like that it was that he called all the shots. And you know, how things were going to go and all that stuff. And so, when she says, I told him he had to choose meaning he had a either choose staying with a situation where he can be a throttle or choose her. And he chose the throttle lifestyle. And. Here's a here's a classic example of what TJ we're talking about a minute ago. Andrew says the snowflake that ended the relationship was. I got her the spicy chicken salad instead of the grilled chicken salad from Wendy's. She said, after four years, I should know she always prefers grilled over spicy. She said in her mind it showed I didn't care enough about her, but, she mentioned the fact that about our three new cars, because she can't drive without crashing, Dan car. Well, we'll, he should know four years as she what she likes from Wendy's. If they eat Wendy's every now but. There are also other other aspects to that. But you see the difference in the way, and I hate this because it sounds so Oprah like and dramatic. But that love language thing. Yeah. You know, her love language is one thing and his is bought you all these cars, I guess. Supported you in financially. Get you the stuff that you wanted. And then her's is he didn't even think of me enough to know that I like grilled chicks. You just wanted to pay attention. Yeah, here's Lucy. Welcome to the ACT J show, what was the snowflake that caved in the roof of the relationship. So my husband's got into a car accident, and that was the so flakes. What was it? What, what about that end of the relationship? Well, he had not been a good person for several years. And I was giving him money for his car insurance film. And then tooted money for full conference. Apparently he was a painful. And so when he wrecked his car was totaled, and we had nothing to. For the legal limit of liability, while taking the rest of the money you were giving him for full coverage and pocketing spinning and other places. And that just caved in. They looked you're just not. You're that bad of a person you're essentially stealing from me. I'm done. Yeah. That's a great with begs, Lizzie. Great example, here's another the one snowflake for me. The caved in the roof on my last relationship was my boyfriend and I were arguing about beyond say he swore up and down. She wasn't that talented. It was in that moment. I thought why am I with you? When we argue about everything that we broke up that night. So the whole beyond say conversation while saving silly on the outside to a onlooker it was just the build up of everything we talk about. We argue even beyond. Well. I mean in, in beyond say home divided cannot stay. No ever know. They have mile if my wife were all about beyond say, we wouldn't be able to make. You don't. Please. Keep anonymous the snowflake the end of the relationship after four years, sonic got his order wrong, and I didn't check the bag so he demanded I had to go back. We began yelling and I realized he tells me what to do way too often. So I ended up by saying, I'm leaving and I'm not going to damn sonic. All right. Here's one to just think about just came in. Keep me anonymous, he threw away ten years because I didn't. And then she names specific thing I didn't do this thing enough. When they were showing each other affection. You know what I'm saying? Is that one snowflake once? That an avalanche. Doing TJ show now. Eight forty one. Coming up on the ACT J show. Regret. The one you look back on now. What? What was I possibly? Going out with this person. Is she really go in? That's about thirty minutes of the TJ. So we're just getting bombarded. We usually don't carry subjects over like this, because we always want to leave you wanting more. And when we hear radio people say, oh, yeah. We do that for that one topic for three hours this morning. What in the world, are you doing? You probably boring. Those people to death. But we're just we're getting a lot more of these that are very interesting about the one, the one snowflake that caved in your relationship roof or as some of our, our radio family members in Missouri would say roof. On the roof, the roof. Okay. Snowflake the caved in my relationship roof. My ex boyfriend was at my house when a new wiz Khalifa single dropped. He went into the bathroom to listen to it and threw up quote, because it was so good. I told him to get the hell out of my house want. He listened to. Wiz. Khalifa. Through because the wiz Khalifa song he had just heard was so good. It made him. Oh. Wow, that's amazing. So this when she builds kind of story over the course of a seven year off and on kind of relationship, multiple, the you is golfing, on, Saturday's with the boys, which he driven all the way up to see him for the weekend that kind of thing, but she said. The snowflake that caved in the relationship roof when I arrive at the house for the weekend. He had all his buddies over I pulled into the driveway and he all kept watched from the port while nursing a beer as I struggled to carry in not only my bag for the weekend, but a thirty rack of beer, I bought for the house and bottle of Jameson, and he never even offered to help. Or the scumbag you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and get out of here. Laser Steiner watch me, no reason for me to be. Even struggling with embody at Jameson. I mean, not realizing the importance of carrying a bottle of Jameson, making sure that it's safe. Yeah. You gotta get rid of him, and this one's fun. We reading earlier about the snow flake that broke up a person's relationship was the ace and TJ show because they're her husband called in one day talking about this throw people that he and his wife ran in meaning there are three people in their relationship. Just a couple. So the poly-amorous relationship broke up because one of the women heard his call on your show. You guys read a message. I accommodate one day of from my ex boyfriend that I heard on your show. So if this isn't hard proof that people are listening to your show. I don't know what is. We'll try to tell you, we say all time. Everybody listens to our show. Who, who, who can, you know, some people don't have your. Good point. You right. I think the only ones don't listen. One more Goodwin. My accent, I broke up because we never went anywhere. We stayed on the couch with his buddies all the time for my birthday. I asked him could we please go out and do something special? I even offered to pay. He said he wasn't gonna let me pay and he could not afford to do anything like that. The snowflake was the next weekend when he took his new co worker out with a hotel and everything because I was getting married and he didn't have a bachelor party. That's not even a snowflake. That's just that's messed up. Okay. Now he was counting that money as already spent though. I'm sure that money was allotted for. So then he couldn't take her one week because he had already planned that the next week, he had this money put aside for his friend here, but she says she would pay. I'm not going. Yes, I'm not going. I am. I am not that kind of Maine, I can take you or I ain't going. And I also take you. Take. I'll go get tips. What are you on anything while? Either I can't take you going, and I can't take. Coming up on now trending with Riggins your mornings are already great because you have the TJ show to listen to every weekday morning, but we're about to make an even better if that's possible. Details now trending in less than ten minutes. The show.

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Power Project EP. 184 - Frank Tufano

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Power Project EP. 184 - Frank Tufano

"The. Whenever you already. I'm ready ready, Freddie. Let's do this ready with the spaghetti. What's happening? I gotta I gotta work out already in today. I saw that that you you popped in pretty early today came in here and a little bit of cardio session and hit up some dead lifts and some bantam rose and some late curls. Just moving around, you know, trying to good we're got again, I might I might work out again. Because like, you know, my workouts are a little shorter. So actually they're lot shorter. Like might only be like twenty thirty minutes long. So when they're shorter it's kinda easier just to get him in because you're not thinking about your workout being so hard. And I think that's a huge problem that a lot of people make when they're thinking about a diet thinking about exercise. They're thinking about man, this is going to be, you know, have to go Kito or have to do carnivore. I have to be gin or they think that they have to do something so crazy, and it's like, we'll were you starting. Let's let's figure that out. If you're starting from the couch, then a wa- simple walkout side would be fantastic progress and to do that for a few days in a row that would be a really excellent place to start doesn't always have to be so hard, right? Just change the simple things, I know a lot of people that when they first start lifting. They start like programs like two and a half workouts or two hour, long workout. So I'm just like, hey, no, you're not going to stick to that. They work at like six or seven days a week just start slow. Well, we know a lot of people to that that exercise frequently and that don't have nearly the body that they want or the strength that they want and these same people will, you know, on a Friday Saturday night, they might go and let loose and then they're like, oh that's it back on Monday. When Monday comes around cardio in the morning fasted. And then I'm gonna hit the gym at night. And it's like dude you really like you're setting up a really rough schedule for yourself. That's okay. That you enjoyed yourself. That's fine. Everyone should everyone's got the right to good for you. And just, you know, don't let just like Jay Cutler said don't be fancy consistent grad away to be consistent with it. If you if you're able to do fasting. That's great. If we're able to throw in some cardio that's cool able to mix some lifting some cardio fasting. That's great. But it doesn't have to start out that way you have to start out with a big bang right away. You can kind of chip away at things you can work your way into things. That's kinda why excited talk to today's guests because it's like how do you end up down this rabbit hole? Like this. You know, how do you? We got another carnivore guy on the podcast today. And not only carnivore, but he's like eating raw meat, right? He's a he's a deep savage. Yeah. He's eating raw meat raw liver you ever done that for. No. What about sushi sushi? Yeah. I guess it's that have carpaccio sliced beef just pretty much. I think the same things we're all a restaurant in Lisa's carpaccio. That was the first time I had that. But yo- like my household. We cook our army. We all cook are meat. So yeah, this is a Steph different culture shock, and the only thing I've ever had just polka. Yeah. But no now that I think about it is kinda odd that like, you know, I'm cool with eating like fish, right? Raw fish. But the idea of eating absolute raw meat like raw is kind of odd. Right. Yeah. Just kind of those two together. I'm like never thought of weird too. 'cause like Ross steak doesn't sound that bad, but raw ground beef sounds hor horrifying discussing or or raw chicken can even watch Neidl Keith wrought chicken. I think he does like straight raw red meat. I mean, can you just like, you know, grab a bird and try to just eat it or like those and go go by the cow. Substrate up eat frequent tat tackle him. True. Carnivore? Have you had like raw liver and stuff like that? Like two straight up. Have you done that? I don't think I have there's there's a video of him like he has large raw liver. Just to eats the whole thing. Just like. I would like to eat something's hard just to say that. I did. That'd be pretty savage. Yeah. That's like a Mike Tyson saying, I wanna eat his heart. I want to eat his children. Did eat somebody's ear. Well, yeah, it's a it's interesting. I guess we'll get to the bottom of it. We'll try to figure out why the hell this guy's doing. All this. Yeah. Looks like he's good to go. So you wanna hit them up? Yeah. Let's do that, you know. It'd be easier just to be born Nigerian. It would definitely true. And you just have perfect skin, your, handsome and tall and strong. All that stuff right laugh and everybody else. Hey there. He is. How's it going Frank? What's going on or you gentleman? This guy's got perfect teeth. Perfect skin is this from eating raw meat. What are we going on here? Little bit of a little bit of Columbia. I'll leave it at that. What's what's going on with this diet? It looks looks pretty crazy to see you eating raw liver and stuff. How did you? How did you even get into something like this? I imagine you weren't doing this. When you were five years old right now. It's it's it's actually a pretty interesting story. I used to be really big into bodybuilding, fitness that whole thing. And I did it from when I was about thirteen to maybe twenty. And at some point, I said this isn't for me. I never really wanted to take it to professional level. Never had a large bone structure. I was always like five eight like one hundred fifty one hundred sixty pounds. Even when I was muscular figured it. Just wasn't for me. And after taking a drug called Accutane, which I didn't actually know it the time that kind of ruined my digestive system. I was eating three four five pounds of sweet potatoes a day and had no energies. I was like, okay. This isn't working for me. How can I figure out what? I should be doing. I literally started googling what the healthiest is came across a few different YouTube channels and ended up discovering a book on indigenous civilizations, it was called nutrition and physical degeneration and this dentist went around early nineteen hundreds and he noticed one thing that was consistent across every single diet of these native people that was the presence of certain animal foods, and particularly particularly ones that were along the lines of organ meats, and even though we're talking about organ meats, and things that people don't deem as approachable other nutrients that are more approachable like some of these groups of people had shellfish crab molluscs, clams. They had dairy products. They had eggs. It's not just, you know, biting piece of raw liver out of alive animal, and I said, okay. This makes sense and upon further inspecting these animal products they had an inherent fats. I. Vitamin content, and I can get into the actual availability of that stuff in a bit. But the other thing I was thinking was okay, I don't have energy eating carbohydrates. And if animal foods are the most nutritious foods, according to what I've read here than wouldn't it make sense to eat animal fat as my source of energy and putting it together in my head made sense because okay, well, animal foods have the highest amount of nutrients in their most available forms and animal fat can be used as an energy source and Kito service. And then I read another book called primal body prime and at the time which was about over six years ago. Now, I kind of paralleled Kito diet with a paleo diet and said, okay, I'm gonna do paleo Kito. But that pretty much means that I'm only eating meat and fat. So my theory behind not including vegetables and fruits that the modern forms of the fruits and vegetables in a lot of cases, and especially at certain times of the year. Weren't necessarily as high in nutrition as they used to be and at the time, I didn't actually know about the carnivore diet, and there was actually a form zero car, but the time that's what the diet was referred to. And I came across it and upon reading what that dia was just muscle meat, and no real guidelines to nutrients, no real guidelines to macro nutrient ratios, I didn't really think much of it. So you know, three or four years go by and I decided to make a YouTube channel. Because one of my goals was to convey, the importance of these nutrients to other people and how good I felt an even though I took that drug Accutane twice. I mean ruined my liver ruined my body. I'm sure there are so many people familiar with the drug and how bad it is. Even though I took that drug twice it still didn't fix my acne. The only thing that actually ends up fixing. My acne was going on this diet and roofing lot of foods and increasing the nutrients, but there's a lot of the three. Main things I used to explain aspects of my diet are one logical standpoint to the anthropological evidence of our ancestors and three the scientific one of you actually, looking at the nutrient content of foods and the mechanisms in the body, and we can observe that through nutrient databases or even mechanistic studies your eating large amounts of potatoes back in the day sound like you said you're eating like three or four pounds of potatoes. Every single day nowadays new any carbohydrates. No. Back. So over my six and a half years now on this diet. The only time I ever consumed carbohydrates was back in less. You're April two thousand eighteen I started experimenting completely raw most of the time. I consume maybe sixty seventy percent of my food is cooked nocco. Sorry, sixty seventy percent raw. And then the rest is cooked. And when I mean cooked, even though I'm just cooking eggs blue rare a lot of the time. But that one time I did try carbohydrates was on the raw primal diet. I had a little bit of raw Honey, and I tried incorporating some dairy products again, and that I mean, I've always had a dairy allergy when I was younger so that didn't really work out. So well as much as milk products from a local farm, raw high-quality grass-fed. Although there's definitely some things you have to be aware of if doing that the difference between like those dairy products directly from the farm and the dairy products that you buy on the shelf in the supermarket. That's definitely a discuss. To be had. So my reasoning for incorporating anything into your diet is either nutrient density or energy and the role that carbohydrates grains, play in my mind is when we look at certain indigenous groups in the recent few thousand years when agriculture started, and we started producing readily available forms of carbohydrates, they replaced wild plant foods as an energy source and every single one of these carbohydrate sources can be addressed on an individual basis in regards to its composition is preparation methods. What the pros and cons are obviously something like modern wheat, which is made from hard red winter wheat, it has forty eight chromosomes. It's hybridize it's much more inflammatory than an heirloom variety of wheat like corn wheat has twelve chromosomes. It's something our ancestors would have consumed. So not only do you have to look at the base food. You have to look also at the preparation of it, are you naturally fermented that sour dough bread and breaking down the anti nutrient content, or are you just? Throwing that bread in the oven as is with a yeast starter overnight. And then there's a course a bunch of different grains, have different preparations from oats to rice bunch of grains of cross all indigenous groups, but one thing I did want to touch on as a final in. This regard is the sheer variety of foods. These people consumed and the variety of preparation is absolutely absurd. Imagine this you go fishing in a river. And there's ten different types of fish in that river, and for each of those ten different types of fish. There's ten different species. So you might have six seven different types of trout in one river. So just the amount of animal foods that our ancestors. Consumed was incredible hundreds to thousands, let alone wild plant foods imagine walking into essentially a jungle and seeing just the sheer variety of foods used to eat that being said there are indigenous. Is that only eight like some of them? Maybe they only had Swiss cheese. Red cells definitely something important to note. But what's even crazier is one indigenous group might have prepared one food in one way, and another group would do it in a different way and the amount of different ways. They would do it. You know, imagine, you could take a fish. You can eat it raw. You can call it smoke it. You can hot smoke. It. You can foil it like under a an oven. You could bake it in fire, you could roasted over an open fire. There's dozens of different food preparations that these people practice because it was their job. Their job was viral in nature and their job was to prepare food, and you can imagine if you have limited food access in your environment. You're probably going to start doing some interesting things to either change the composition or to preserve it. And each of these things serve different purposes. One of the few people I've ever heard talk about switching up the type of meat that eat was Charles policemen. I don't know if you're aware of his work. But he he mentioned that he thought it was. Portent that you you don't just always eat cow. Don't always eating elk you, switch things up a bunch. And do you think that's important to to have a wide variety? You're not just eating cow meat all the time. I think a good answer to that question is. Yes, there was a sheer variety of meats in in. The indigenous groups bought the one consistent thing was the quality. So when you have access to different sources of meat, it helps to variety them because tha very them as you don't necessarily know the quality of the animal unless you raise it yourself. So if you buy Grespin meat from one place and Gretchen meat from another place. I have pictures on my Instagram of this grasp at beef that it looks orange. But I'm sure you've never seen something like that in a supermarket. So the quality of the food definitely ties in here. And when you're only eating one type of meat from one source. That's where you start to question. Okay. Is this the highest quality source of meat on eating the only scenario where I would say, it's okay to eat one source of food is if you're literally seeing what that animals eating in its in its life, essentially, of course, there's a realism that we have to have that's practical to life that we can't always beating the highest quality foods at all peers of. Time, but that doesn't necessarily justify going to like a restaurant having wings and soybean oil every night when I'm when I'm hearing what you're saying about like food, you eat it seems that whenever you're looking at these meets and you're looking at your food as far as you Tilleke. Yeah. And you're looking like a big micronutrient standpoint. So what's going give me the move new nutrients and yet, so I'm curious because whenever I see people go from like, pure carnivore or pure vegan. Right. And they just cut out also informs of food and a lot of individuals that do carnivore a lot of people feel much better than when they were eating all these carbohydrates. But then I see a lot of vegans that claimed that they're feeling much better eating. No meat. How how would you like let's say bring somebody to the other side. Would you even think that they should if they're feeling much better doing something totally opposite to the carnivore deal? Okay. So the carnivore diet achieves one thing inherently that's the removal of inflammatory foods. Okay. The vegan diet can do the same thing. So the reason I market myself to the carnivore died is because my diet is technically a carnivore diet. But what my diet achieves is the micronutrient density, and before really going into a discussion of the vegan versus a carnivore diet and actually like analyzing, okay? Vitamin a in its plant and animal form of vitamin k two and its plant and animal form what we can look at is. What happens to vegans after they go to three or four five six months on vegan diet. So b twelve deficiency is obviously something that you can't ignore every vegan needs to supplement be twelve. And for me the lodge. Perspective behind twelve doesn't make sense because you're literally falling a diet that you cannot follow when they didn't have the supplements even forty fifty years ago. That's one logical thing wrong with it. And I haven't done an incredible amount of research on this yet. But I'm not sure if b twelve blood levels are indicative of tissue levels as definitely something out be concerned about what b twelve is definitely associated with neuro cognitive problems in the long run. And the second thing is the iron. I haven't seen any proof that vegans would not be anemic in the long run. It's not an issue in some people and a one thing that shows that before this was people have different genes that regulate how will they assimilate vitamins from plants. That's why some people last a very long time on a vegan diet and some people fall apart in two months one other vitamin that's not really spoken about is vitamin d three. And I think vitamin d three is the best argument against the vegan diet because the skin itself synthesizes cholesterol to absorb vitamin d three. So. So if you don't have extra cholesterol in your body, you literally can't achieve certain levels of vitamin d three. So I would make an argument that from an ideal health perspective, it's physically impossible to get your three levels to that amount on a vegan diet. So those are just problems with a vegan diet in general. I mean, the, but another thing to consider is standard American diet is so poor that when people refer to stand American dieters as meters the macro nutrient ratios in a standard, American diet are thirty percent, animal foods and seventy percent plant foods. So these meters are they really meters. And what's even more? Interesting is vegans always talk about Blue's zones. These owns where people have unusually high life expectancy, but guess what the macaroni ratio of blue zones. Are it is the exact same as standard American diets when we actually look at what these blue zone people eat, they might eat seventy percent of their calories from grains, and thirty percents more or less and thirty percent from animal foods, but the food. Quality is the difference. They're not eating McDonalds. Burger they're not eating McDonald's, burgers, and what was my favorite show when I was a kid was the cookie crisp like that type of stock. So they're not eating that type of stuff. These people are drinking sheep milk straight from the goat in their backyard. These people are eating the highest quality cheese, the highest quality, grains. They're preparing them in certain ways, and there's definite pitfalls in the context of a standard American diet that we have to kind of brush aside, the problem with the vegan diet is we're missing those main nutrients, but there isn't and I always tell people this, you know, what? Whether it's five ten twenty thirty issue. Now, these vitamins there's gonna be a big emphasis on them because they are really the most important things in Uman function. And I'm sure you guys have heard about the importance of item indeed three in the recent past and how doctors are even subscribing vitamin d three in larger amounts. And there was a study that I post on my Twitter like every week the vitamin d three RDA was based on. Typical fallacy the four hundred. I you RDA was actually supposed to be nine thousand. I you. So there's definitely something to be said about the importance of these vitamins going under the rug. But the reason I'm saying this is because I can't even convince carnivore dieters to eat these nutrient dense foods, how am I supposed to convince a vegan to do it. It's very very difficult to turn people off what I like to do is. I like to present information and let people make the decision for themselves. And the of course, there's a lot of things that go into that. An unusual man of things that go into that. But if someone really wants to make a turning point what I always tell people is if you do something, and it doesn't work. You you may you might wanna think about doing it in general. That's when I take vitamin d three when you go out in the sun to the beach, you feel euphoric, right? You feel amazing after going to the beach when I eat foods like liver and salmon Roe when I eat certain high-vitamin animal foods, I feel like running through some drywall go I can go I can go. I've I work is used to work as a bartender. I still do and some times I would go like two or three nights without sleeping, and then I have to go down to Manhattan work ten or twelve hour shift, and I'd still be running circles around everyone else. So there's definitely something to be said about optimizing your energy levels. And how you feel on your diet is a vegan diet better than standard American diet. I think so in the con-, but it depends on what you're eating. And it depends on how you are to be twelve deficiencies and deficiencies I think in the short run it's better than what most people are doing and in regards, actually, I mean, I don't really want to discuss how to supplement an ideal vegan diet because there are literally. Certain things you cannot get and that's that's a bit off topic. But it's definitely something. I can go into seems like everyone needs to have some sort of nutritional plan, you know. And it seems like the biggest factor in all this is, you know, avoiding junk food, which is all the same stuff. We hear all the time. So potentially if you're on a vegan diet, you may be voiding some junk food, but there's ways of doing a vegan diet where you're not avoiding junk food. There's also Kito Akito diet where you could potentially be avoiding junk junk food, but there's also you could be doing a Kito diet and having some kind of dirty Kito foods in their things that have sugar alcohols in them and whatnot. But whatever the case is whether you're doing carnivore vegan Kito paleo, it's probably still a better decision than a standard American diet. It's still probably we're still probably eliminating some excess junk maybe some excess sugar excess processed foods. And we're probably ultimately limiting some calories. Do you think calories factor into any this at all when you start to really look at the different the different diets and things like that. Interesting to one interesting thing to look at in the context of calories is how your body assimilates nutrition from plant food versus animal foods, what people notice when they go on a Kito died or carnivore diet versus Egan by the volume of food that you need to consume versus the amount of food. You expel is is drastically different. So the caloric intake when increasing your plan food consumption. It can definitely go down. And I mean, there are arguments going either way there are people that go on Kito, diet and gain weight. There are people that go on a carnivore died in gain weight. There are people that go on a vegan diet and gain weight. One thing to note on the vegan diet is the high anti nutrient content of these foods because of things like five Tate's, which inhibit mineral absorption oscillates also inhibit mineral absorption, things like electons can cause leaky gut. What this essentially does is causes your body. Not to absorb the nutrients in the food. Your body loses its ability to digest the food. So there is a concern about certain anti. It's in certain grains, and legumes specifically on a vegan diet. I mean, this can be alleviated to some degree by fermentation. Of course, it can be made easier by choosing foods with less anti nutrients. I mean, like carbohydrate sources like sweet potatoes and plantains and maybe for mental oatmeal would be better choices than kidney beans. That's an example of that. Caloric restriction ties into fasting as well. I I think the overall reason that people consume excess calories and don't lose weight is the lack of nutrients in their diet, and that's affecting their hunger signals, but restricting calories and is definitely a way to become healthier. Even if you're eating doesn't really matter. What you eat is definitely an improvement and one way to go about this is whenever you put something in your body. It's always a net loss doesn't matter. How healthy the food. Is it doesn't matter. How good the food is for you. You're always doing something negative to your body. Because either way you're putting stress on your digestive system. You're putting stress on yourself to eat something. So whether you put something in your body or not it just a matter of arguing how negative it is liver. The act of writing the act of eating itself causes inflammation, period. Yes. That's I mean, that's a very loose statement. And it's it's it's it can be using a negative connotation in weird way. Because. Actually, we need to eat food. But this is where we assess the inflammatory response to the food whether it's just based on its inherent profile of nutrients anti nutrients, whether you have an allergy to it as well as the caloric density of the food. That's you know, we look at the food is it going to give you issues was the nutrient density, two things really just inflammation nutrients so looking at a food like liver or salmon Roe if you try to eat fish eggs, you wouldn't get past a quarter pound of them. That's because of the nutrient density of the food, and that's a lower caloric restriction. So you. You know, you can make arguments that if people were eating a nutrient dense diet and had proper station in proper appetite that they wouldn't be over consuming calories, and they wouldn't be stressing their digestive system in an artificial amount. This also ties into lean body mass and bodybuilding because when you have a higher lean body mass, your body requires more nutritional more sustenance. So your body will crave protein macronutrients more than that or micronutrient. So when I used to lift weights or like, you guys even if you guys Villier micronutrient requirements, you guys are gonna want way more protein than the average person just from that your body. Your muscles are literally telling you I need protein. I want to eat protein. That's not the same case with most people, but fasting is a whole like that's a big topic in itself with the Towfighi and the main benefits of Towfighi is people claim that and it's not a claim. This is what it does your body, essentially recycles. It sells and heals itself in Towfighi. But my argument behind a nutrient dense diet is that. At the processes that regulate. How sales are made gene expression and cell differentiation are directly correlated to the cell health in your body. So vitamin a and vitamin d three in particular are the precursors, gene expression. Gene expression turns on and off certain genes. This literally tells your body what sells it needs to make whether it's a stem cell or red blood cell or white blood cell. I don't want to know. I'm not a biochemist physiologist, I don't wanna go into this too much, but one anecdote I like to make is when I had terrible terrible cystic acne take weeks acne to heal. And then when I had this terrible like nickel-sized blemish on my face that blemish would take. Three four five six months ago way. I did a video on my YouTube of I had a cyst it exploded. And I all this is a little girls. I'm sorry guys. So anyway, the point is I heal my skin and literally three days I went from a cyst on my face to pretty much clear skin. And the way I did. This was I fasted I consumed a large amount of retinal from liver, vitamin A. And then I went in the sun for five six hours a day. So what happened was the first day kinda got inflamed? And then it popped the second day started healing third day formed into a scab and the third day the second day turned into a scab. And then the third day. It was pretty much completely healed in the blemish was almost gone. So our body essentially is like a plant, and you know, when people are growing or growing, something they don't blame the plants genetics on it, not growing, they blame the soil. They blame the nutrient was given they say it didn't get enough water. We kind of need to look at the same thing for. Humans. Genetics are determined by environment over a period of years and years and years. That was a bit of a ramble from the question of, you know. Do calories matter. But I think I touched on it on a few different ways. I think a lot of people would be curious especially looking into you. Don't eat any vegetables or anything like that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Cool. A lot of people would wonder 'cause I I saw video where you you mentioned how fiber isn't necessarily that important. How how like how would you explain that to individuals in terms of do you get fiber from outside sources, or is is now into you all now so in in regards to fibers association with any sort of health benefits, such as reducing cholesterol was your social with reducing cholesterol, more consistent bowel movements, reducing rates abou- gander. That's not actually demonstrated in studies. But to me five or does play a role in the health of the gut microbiome and building a diverse microbiome. And that ties into you know, the thousands of and hundreds of wild plant foods that indigenous people used to consume. Yeah. So having a certain gut back to your gut bacteria is essentially specific to your while in in the case of let's say like a mother has a baby and starts nursing her child. The mother is eating certain foods in her diet that are in a way introduce. To the child through the breast milk the environment than when the child grows up the child would eat the foods that are in the mothers environment, and this is kind of what determines our microbiome? So the role that fiber plays in the microbiome inherently being in those foods that they needed to eat survive. I think survival is a big over arching thing here. A lot of the foods. We used to eat were really because we didn't want to die from from caloric standpoint. But fi- five or from a mechanistic standpoint in the body. The only thing that's hypothetically beneficial is feeding some sort of positive gut bacteria. Then in an actual cases where people have digestive issues, especially things like diverticulitis as well as IBS reducing fiber actually improves their health. What about performance we're talking about like lifting weights, or at let's what are some of your thoughts on utilizing a carnivore diet for these things and also make some sense for somebody to add in some carbohydrates at some point. Or do you think people don't really need them? So I've had con- conversation with an exercise physiologist about this. And he claimed that carbohydrates are not beneficial in any way, whatsoever that Amine. In fact, I it would be better. But I am not necessarily that is not my method of thinking my method of thinking is your body needs to produce enzymes to digest food. Whether it's Pep's in for protein lie pays for fat, the starch digesting enzyme does. Well at your body can only digest a certain amount of each macro nutrient Eddie point in time. And when you're a high performance athlete, and you're consuming an unnatural amount of food in regards to what maybe your body frame of your genetics allow you to do, you know, obviously, someone like Thor those strongman guys is what I think of when I think of this. I'm thinking, okay. These guys have very very highly body mass that require an incredibly unrealistic amount of food. Now, what answer what would answer your question is? Can we actually figure out whether the body can absorb only fat? And protein faster than it can absorb the combination of fat protein and carbohydrates. Is there a bottleneck on the peps in production? The body is there bottleneck on these pro- as spoke protein, adjusting enzymes, amylase, carbohydrate, digesting enzymes is the body bottleneck in producing these enzymes as well as insulin or can the body actually produced just as much of these enzymes as it needs in the context of animal foods based diet. I think this is gonna be Anik going to be anecdotal. If you're not a super, high performance athlete. I really don't think this will make a difference once you achieve a certain amount of activity in muscle mass. Then you might notice if you consume carbohydrates, and you're on a carnivore diet, and you notice a performance increase. I think you're at that threshold where your digestive enzymes cannot keep up with just the protein and fat diet. That. Yeah. That that actually makes a lot of sense. And I think you know, bodybuilding purposes, I think some people talk about like getting a pump. And a lot of bodybuilding coaches will say that's critical, you know, in in your training, and then from powerlifting perspective or strongman perspective. It's my belief that it's just important have body weight on you. So this may be against what most people are looking for most people are a lot of people are looking to get smaller or lose lose bodies. Yeah. Lose weight, but for a power lifter, or for strongman athlete or even some MA athletes. It might be important for them to stay in a particular weight class. So therefore, they might need some of the carbohydrates, and like you said, I think is pretty accurate account of what you said, basically, the carbohydrates could be a fast acting energy source could help them potentially recover from workout some people are doing to workouts day. So how you gonna get the fat and protein to really kind of like shuttle into your system. Maybe it does make sense to have. Some fruit or some coconut water or something in between workouts? Whatever whatever carbohydrate source you choose. We'll probably be appropriate enough to kind of replenish, some of those stores and get you into that next workout get you kind of repaired from the previous workout. There's so many factors here. Because when you think about what your body needs to recover and perform, you know, you don't only need protein to repair the muscle tissue. You don't only fat for energy. There's also nutrients there's the electrolytes there's a lot of factors that go into this. And as I've been on one hand, I really do want to know what would happen if someone like, you know, Brian Shaw or have to Bjornson when on like, a high neutral carnivore diet. I mean a hundred percent they're losing a lot of weight. The question is how much strenght would they lose? And what the adjustment period would be. Unfortunately, I don't think that's something that. Out think it'd be possible to do that in the context of these people because it would just be to jet detrimental to their essentially professional career. But I love to see some more research being done on this in the future because you know, the the metabolism of protein and fat in energy is definitely something. That's not understood by a lot of people. Yeah. We're seeing it more and more with kind of endurance athletes, people that run people that do rowing and things like that. And we're getting really good accounts of of what these people are doing and the response that they're having it seems like it's a good one. But yeah, we don't know what it looks like, you know, from an NBA basketball player NFL football player, or, you know, high level strongman athlete. Yeah. Yeah. I've been consulting with a collegiate basketball player, and what we do for him is we increase the nutrient density, but we still keep some carbohydrates in the diet. So we essentially have a very high nutrient carnivore dia, but then he has things like sweet potatoes. High quality, grains, maybe some more dairy products. Maybe Honey occasionally just things for the carbohydrate metabolism in the body. What are some of your thoughts on this insieme from having a bodybuilding background and being someone that does jitsu and you lift I mean, you have a pretty pretty busy schedule, you know, with the amount of physical activity that you have have you explored any this? Have you tried just to only eat the like almost Kito and and just only eat meat. Yeah. No, I have like for for the past two weeks, or so, you know, started messing with much much lower carbohydrates. I haven't cut my carbs out. But having probably a minimum of fifty or sixty day, which is much lower than I usually have in the past of my background each and intake, and unlike like, Frank like, I mainly paid attention to my macro nature and intakes make sure that I've been like I have intake for enough food to fuel my workouts because a lot of days, I'll come here. Then I'll go to jitsu afterwards. An oddly enough I found like having much lower carbohydrates but much higher fats didn't really affect my energy levels that much. I did feel a little bit affect in the gym. But at least in terms of my cardio on the mats. It didn't affect me that much. But what I what I really I'm curious about is something I never paid much attention to in the past has been my quality of meats of heard about you guys talk about this and lot grass-fed versus you know, grain fed meets I never made attention to that. And I'm just wondering how how important that is in terms of like potential performance or quality of meat because personally like again, I just make sure that I'm eating enough food. Right. Macaroni genetic. I do take a few supplements here and there to make sure I get my three and natural, bro. I gotta take no subs. But like like my d three it's cetera. But I haven't paid attention to like meeting. Sure. My meat is grass-fed. I know Frank that you you've talked a lot about like oh grain fed meets her not good at all. How does that tie in does that tie into performance or any of that? Yeah. I'm smiling year because this is like this topic in general is what my main focus is. So one thing to look at is if you look at those indigenous groups and what they ate and you analyze the foods by amount and the micronutrient amounts. We can assume that those amounts of foods that they're eating and those micronutrient amounts or what the recommended dietary allowances should actually be and things like, you know, the human body can produce one hundred thousand you of vitamin d three in the sun, the higher retinal content of these foods. So we can assume that humans have a higher nutrient requirement than what we've been told. Now when we actually analyze the nutrient content of the food. There's one thing that determines the neutering. Content of the food. Specifically what the animal was raised on. The example and cows is and cows have very in ruminant digestion is very interesting. You know, a human would actually have to have five gallons of fluid in their stomach fermenting to be the equivalent, but an ingress when a cow goes in the field. It has an incredible sense of smell, it might think clover tastes like ice cream. It might think we grasp is a burger and the cow will actually go in the field and choose the grasses, and the whatever that they like the most and this is because the nutrient content of those grasses varies and vitamin A is actually mislabeled on food in plant foods. It's beta carotene, they can label it as vitamin for some reason the carotenes in this grass convert in the cows body into retinal in its tissue. So cows eating the platform, vitamin A and converting into the animal form of vitamin A. Same with vitamin k there's vitamin k one in grass and the cow converts vitamin. K two in its body. And this is through fermentation, the gut bacteria eats, the grass for man's turns into nutrients in the body. So if the cows being fed a crude soy's feed of like corn, whatever guy cooked corn cooked soy things like that. It's not going to have micronutrients. And this is the problem. Also with a lot of vegetables in modern diets. Monash inc. Soil as in. There's micro new. Toil that aren't necessary for the growth of the plant or the animal, and there's macro nutri. There's macro nutrients in the soil that are not necessary for the growth of the plant or the animal, and then there's micro nutrients, so I'm sorry, I'm confusing. These completely. Unique macronutrients for energy. This is what you need to grow a plant micronutrients can be deficient in plants and animals, and they will still grow. So these micronutrients for soil are N P K. Let me just wants potassium nitrogen. And I was the other one it's just general fertilizer. So it's nitrogen phosphorus and potassium. So you need nitrogen phosphorus and potassium to grow a plant. So essentially, if you grow corn with nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus, and then you feed that corn to a cow. It's not getting those micro nutrients in it, the same thing can be said about humans in general and how we are raised on low micronutrient foods. So basically, how the food was raised determines the nutrient content. So if the cow wasn't eating grass and might not have a high nutrient content and in the context of granted versus grass-fed. Yeah. I mean on paper grass-fed is going to have vitamins that great at isn't going to have the fatty acid profile is going to be better. But you have to consider the muscle isn't really where the nutrients are stored the nutrients in the animal are stored in the fat. That's why they're called fat soluble vitamins, they're not called proteins vitamins the muscle tissue stores. Minerals and elements, and if there's fat intertwined between the muscle tissue. There is nutrients in those fat in that fat. But if you take a grain fed steak with a ton of fat on it, and a lean grass fed steak the nutrient contents going to be insignificant because there's no fat on grass-fed steak. This is where in you know, when you're eating muscle meat, primarily you're not really looking at a nutrient dense source compared to the fat. And when you look at what our ancestors ate RA by and ground beef didn't exist because animals don't actually store fat in those parts. That's because of how we've bred cattle other factors fat in the animal is stored on the belly on the brisket on the short rib around the kidneys, those fatty parts of the animal around the organ tissues. That's where we would have had to obtain fat and calories in nature. So the whole grain fed versus grass-fed debate. In the context of eating a steak isn't nearly as relevant as it is in the over. Diet and the primary fats, I will vitamins that were concerned about getting. It's not really I mean, you know, we have vitamin a in the form of retinol probably the most under appreciated vitamin the most important vitamin that's going to be discovered. I think really in regards to people understanding that you need to get in large amounts of vitamin d three. Of course, we don't have to touch on that anymore by K two as a big one of K two ties into vitamin d three in calcium metabolism saw in order to absorb calcium in your body. You need vitamin d three. But in order to move calcium around tissue, you need vitamin k two things called matrix glob protein, M GP moves it binds to calcium ions in the body and moves them around and vitamin k two. Vitamin k two is the secret of a lot of these indigenous groups and some animal foods because vitamin k two is only present in high quality animal foods, and what we mean what we mean by this is if an animal is not grass-fed or race properly, the vitamin k to content will be lower. But what's more important about gay to is its presence in fermented foods? So although foods like egg yolks and liver have some vitamin k two when you for Matt to food. It increases the vitamin k do content, and the one thing that I can't get passed in my mind is that there's a really good book the indigenous foods of the south Sudan, the fat of the land all of these indigenous people, whether it's the eskimos or the Africans. They purposely rotted their meat, and I mean, in modern society, we eat things like cheese and ham and yogurt. We eat a lot of rotten foods all the time. And we don't really think twice about it. But these people would literally take fish leave them out in the sun for seven days and. The need it. And you might say, okay. That's the anthropological evidence. What's the logical evidence? Okay. Maybe a hundred years ago. We wouldn't have had refrigeration was the scientific evidence. The protein breaks down it becomes more digestible. Well, there's there's three enzymes in meat fat. Hydrolysed enzymes, prolific enzymes and the Gleich lick enzymes the fat hydrolysed enzymes for meant the fat. The pro Olympic enzymes from the protein and the Gleich lick enzymes when the animal dies, the lactic acid the glucose in the meat turns into lactic acid. That's why sometimes people think liver has carbs in it, but that's not actually true because the Gleich lick enzyme breaks down the glucose in the liver into lactic acid when the animal ties, so these enzymes for meant meet in a way that's more favorable to the microbiome. So not only are you breaking down the protein. You're getting the fat, and you're turning certain nutrients into vitamin k to essentially, so. There's definitely a role in Ignace groups of these vitamins, and there's definitely an importance of these vitamins in overall health. But this is something that is, you know, we know as president in their diets, it makes sense on paper value perspective that you can't really obtain these vitamins in any way from plan foods, and anecdotally speaking, you know, when these foods and a lot of my clients when they eat these foods, they notice a difference when you sit down and you eat certain foods, you notice immediately. How you feel? So definitely I mean, you know, some people like saying, I speak out my ass on people like saying, but I try to give I try to give as much information as physically possible if I can explain it in any way whatsoever. I do it. And I'm also open minded to the contrary. But again, it's it's one of those topics where people if people haven't heard about it, and they come across all this information about it from someone, and this is not something that like, I read a book and. I started this is you know, when I'm on the street. This is literally what I'm thinking about you know, when I'm driving in my car somewhere. This is what I think about I have ideas and things I read on every single day. This is an accumulation of like seven six seven years of doing this. And that all that information is accumulated into essentially a five minute blurb on why vitamins are important. So that's why I like to say as I said earlier present the information let people do the research on their own. But there's definitely a lot. A lot of lot of if I could talk for two hours just on vitamin a you know, there's so much to touch on. It's just absolutely insane. When you are talking about these different for mental foods, how do you personally have permitted food? You mentioned that you have trouble with dairy. I think, you know, rented food, you know, one way to get it is through like, you know, yogurt or Keefer or, but what are some other options? People can look into. So obvious. I mean, if you guys have realized I'm crazy yet. I have they call it. It's called Hymie. And this is what the indigenous groups used to call because it makes you high when you eat it and me can actually be inadvertently rotten. So if you bought like, I e Corre or salmon Roe in a store, you know, if it was salt it unfermented, and ate it would give you that similar feeling obviously cheat. So the two easiest access foods for K to our egg yolks and cheese. Egg yolks have vitamin k two in the form of MK four. That's the form that's president animal foods when they're not permitted. And then it turns into 'em k seven when it's for mental MK seven k two is the fermented form. And there's evidence that you kind of need seven as well. So cheese has high amounts of MK seven cheese is really kind of the best source of food that most people have access to unless you wanna start eating duck. Sliver goose liver. And that's because migratory birds have a very interesting function their metabolism where they store fat in their liver for the winter. So in these ducks fatten up there, also storing vitamin k two in their liver. That's why EMU oil is a very popular supplement product. The oil is has a high K to content it has benefits to it. But cheeses interesting because I guess we could talk about quality of dairy here. So the difference between the dairy on the supermarket shelf and a raw dairy product is. First of all, there's no inherent nutrient content to the dairy product if the animal wasn't on pastor. So we can kind of cross a little off when the dairy homogenized. Much larger fat particle, then she milk goat milk. So when you strength down this protein particle, it can get through the gut lining and be more inflammatory to people that have cosmic allergies. And you're also pasteurizing the milk, although that can kill bacteria that the farmer might, you know, bacteria and milk and concerns about bacteria are generally from poor cross contamination practices like they didn't clean the milking machines things like that. So although pasteurization does that reduces the nutrient content, and when you pasteurize food you while you're cooking it and a raw food for Mets naturally, a cooked food oxidises and rots and forms harmful bacteria. So if you have a raw piece of meat on the counter for a couple of hours, that's fine. But if you cook that piece of meat, and you lay it out. That's how people get sick so cheese in specific aces. It's made with the rennet of the animal and baby. Calves have run it in their stomach that curdle the milk into cheese. Essentially, it's pretty interesting. I would mean not to be cruel. But if you cut open baby cow, there would essentially be cheese in their stomach and the way that she's made you take this ideally, raw high-quality grasp and milk product. You add the rennet to it it forms cheese. And then you age it and that aging process ED's K two, and if people want to get a good source of two in their local supermarket. There's usually plenty of raw imported cheeses. A parmigiano reggiano is a DO p its designation protection, which means they can only make the milk from certain cows and certain areas, and it has to be made a certain way, and that parmigiano reggiano DOP guarantees essentially that it is a raw cow's milk cheese that it is a very high quality source of nutrition. So that's a very easily accessible what generally any raw imported cheeses are what people should look for in the supermarket. But since I am allergic to cheese. What I do is. I I will take any really animal meat animal fat, and I'll put it in a jar. And I'll pretty much. Let it for Mets. And guys. I really I am not crazy. Like a lot of this came across in a weird way. So one time I bought some beef that from a farm, and it smelled like parmesan cheese. And I was like and then like, I I didn't eat it. I just left it there. And then I smelled like rotten a dead body in my kitchen, the they later, and I was like what is is that the fat? So I go open the fat out. And it's like a comedy, you know, it's cheeses funky. It's rotten. It really is. So I tasted this beef fat. And I swear to God, it was it tasted exactly like promise on obviously the texture was different. But I was like that's really interest you from if you ferment fat even from an animal any animal developed similar flavors of the cheese and a good example of this is people that dry age stake almost all stay dry Asia. But you go to a state. Yes, you have a dry age stake. It's essentially rotten piece of meat. I mean, obviously, the fermentation processes way different. But. But that's definitely an interesting element of my diet that I haven't really Inc for most of my carnivore dietary history, just the importance of it is something focusing on now, mainly because of the food access thing, you know, for me to have rotten jars of meat and do that is completely crazy compared to to go into a store and buy cheese. That's for sure and vitamin k can you mentioning basically how it can help? I guess metabolize calcium or hope kind of move along calcium, but it can be really beneficial to your heart is that right? Yeah. Very important in blood health. But when I saw so immigrants the actual metabolism vitamin k in blood health. I know it reduces blood clotting. That's for sure I think I'm gonna look up the metabolism of that real quick. But one thing I do like to touch on immigra- arts to blood health is specifically omega three fatty acids. So there's a really interesting book called eskimo diet, and the one analogy I like to start this conversation with is if you cut an eskimos arm. It would take them eight to nine minutes for their blood to clot an American would take three to four minutes. That's and you might think, oh, that's a bad thing. They're going to know that's a testament to how smooth their blood flows. So what omega three fatty acid consumption does to the blood is. It changes the structure of the blood cells and makes the more pliable they can squeeze through arteries, better blood cells are actually much larger than a lot of the tiny arteries, not arteries about the tiny veins and vessels. They go through and they need to squeeze in flexible omega three improves the flexibility of this, it reduces the five bridge in in your blood. Which is it makes your blood flow quicker and. It's really just an overall ability to bind to calcium the not omega three k two's ability is really that binding to calcium and taking out the blood is reducing a lot of inflammatory stress. I radically the video I did yesterday was on calcium and showing how calcium deposits in kidneys. And the heart are really result of not getting enough vitamin k two and one overarching thing that I say a lot is the calcium RDA and idea that calcium build strong bones is one of the biggest mistakes of our generation calcium RJ being high is actually a consequence of not getting enough of these vitamins and our diet. I have not consumed any calcium in six and a half years and my blood levels of calcium right dead in the middle. It's like nine point four on a scale of eight point two ten point six. It's so interesting when once you start to eliminate a lot of foods from your diet. It's really crazy how the work starts really kind of men together. And and almost like fix it self you don't really lift anymore nowadays, you basically just run right? And what's the kind of reason behind that? Like, you know, we we love lifting, and we we we also understand like, you know, the way that we like to lift we might be beating ourselves up a little bit. And maybe it's not gonna help us necessarily live to a hundred do it for long Jimmy purposes, or why did you kinda switch things up? Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot. I've been having this conversation myself with the past few days, actually, because you know, I have a I obviously marketing myself from a health nutrition perspective is also a fitness aspect. And if I don't work out, I don't lift weights. I'm kind of missing some sort of clientele away. So on one hand I wanted to lift weights again for that purpose on the other hand, you know, I mean, I work as a bartender. I do my YouTube channel I have another. The job that I work on the side. Getting I can get in the gym for an hour to a day. That's not too much of an issue, but the extra eating I'm gonna lose lose three four hours of sleep a day. That's my personal reason. I've always had really bad stretch marks on my arms. And I know that sounds silly. But that that's never gonna go away. So that's not actually a good reason. Because regardless of muscle. I always have the best stretch marks. I think what my small bone frame right now. I'm I'm like five nine hundred forty pounds for me. I have very small. I'm sure you guys familiar with the term small joints. I'm sure you could explain a better than other people. I have really small joint. So when I have sixteen seventeen in arms that's not like on on you guys. Like, you're probably like eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one inches. You guys are gigantic. If I when I have sixteen seventeen inch arms, I look really really big at least for my bone frame. And I actually did a physique competition back in two thousand five. Fifteen. I mean on my own I looked okay. But if you put me next those guys you'd be like, what does that guy doing on the state, so the bone frame, even if I did if I lifted weights, and I kept lifting weights my peak muscle tone for my frame is only going to be one hundred eighty one hundred ninety pounds max max, so with my small bone frame and how I looked like a like it's way too. Muscular part of that ties into. Fitting into my suits. That was honestly like a reason like I don't fit like I could retail all my sous. What then what if I don't wanna lift weights? Again, a lot of maintenance things regarding the actual physical reasons about why lifting weights might be detrimental. The only concern is to me you need to consume excess calories to put on muscle. And as we said earlier anything you eat is inherently inflammatory, that's one element to it. But there's so many benefits of lifting weights. It's hard to say that it's bad because when you go into Jim the people that are in shape or not on the treadmill. The people that are in shape or lifting the weights, and one fact that was really shocking to me. I I always knew muscle burned a lot of calories, but one pound of muscle burns fifty calories day. So if someone put. One or one and a half two year time span for natural. Was is going to increase a thousand fifteen hundred calories depending on the amount of muscle. They put on and that will literally help them lose all the way they need to lose. So there's another element to this is we are much less muscular, then a hundred gatherer, you know, these people would have been much more must go than we are now so getting into the gym and doing this weightlifting is a way to make up presenting Terry activity. If you stay, you know, if you're if I'm a bartender, and I'm moving around all day shaking up drinks doing this doing that. And I used to work as a personal trainer to. But the point is if you're active on your feet all day doing things building muscle inherently through endurance activity. You're going to have a decent lean body mass. What if you're sitting at a desk all day the only way for you to make up for that seven eight hour day of sedentary activity is for you to go in the gym and kill yourself for an hour. So I don't think there's any detriment to wait way training. Obviously if you're in the realm of you want to try to. Lift your house in like rip up some ply boards. That's a different conversation. Like I used to do that stuff. I mean, I I was never really that strong. I only maybe I benchpress like low three hundred and lifted like be in the low four hundreds after training for a couple of years. I was never in my brother's a bit more into the the powerlifting stuff himself. I think he Dallas in the five hundred. I don't know what his his numbers are part of your part of some triplets. Is that right? Oh, you know. This is this is so funny. I always forget to bring this up. But I being a triplet is a pretty unique thing. So we're all twenty-seven my brothers out. He he's an engineer works in aerospace. My sister, unfortunately is mentally disabled. So I do work with her and part of the reason that I do this whole nutrition thing is because I have a belief that, you know, nutritional deficiencies can cause things like that not to say that not to say that that was the reason my sister was I mean, the reason I mean that whole story about how my mother had kids, you know, they botched the C-section she ended up having to get like double kidney transplant that's a whole different story. So my sister isn't necessarily the reason, and my belief nutrient density is the reason but seeing modern medicine how we're living. Now how unhappy people are just even on the street. All of this stuff has been a driving factor in my message to just get people healthier in general. My thought is if someone's healthy if someone's energetic. That's part of the problem. You know, if we make sure everyone has a certain quality of life, you know, in regards to improving the world in itself. It's so much different. You know, I remember when I went one what did I do one day? I went into it just felt like everyone around me was on edge with size myself. Like, I went into a butcher shop. And I was like I'll just hold my house came in what's going on. Do you guys have? And he was like the guy was like freaking out, you know. And then I went then like, I'm driving my car, and these people act like lunatics, just the behavior that people per tray in general to me is so absolutely crazy. And I listen, I drive Manhattan. There's something wrong with say your New York. Yeah. No. There is something wrong with me. But there's like. A different level of anxiety. That people have that I haven't noticed in myself or healthy and reasonable people a good way to coined. This is a lot of people are emotionally driven. And that's part of the reason they also don't really care about their help too much. And if you can't if you can't fix yourself how you supposed to fix other things. I mean, of course, you know. I mean, they're nine was a nine percent of those people on this planet. Don't eat a healthy diet, and they're doing amazing things. But I just feel like out of context a lot of times when I when I go places and just seeing how how people act how unhealthy people are how unhappy people are. And that's hopefully, and I'm doing it. Well, so far improving people's lives in that regard. Have you ever seen Ghostbusters to? Listen, I I would I'm I haven't I've seen Ghostbusters when I haven't seen goes. So the second Ghostbusters takes place in New York City and underneath the city is all this pink slime, and as people are getting more on edge. And as people are getting more pissed off this pink slime is is rising up. And it's and it's mounting. And I think I think that the paying slime represents carbohydrate sugar and processed foods, and I really honestly feel that like this is bringing people to fucking boiling point. And I couldn't agree with you more on like the sanity of people like I walked through the airport, and I a lot of time just just in general this mile at people like every once in a while I have resting bitch face. But for the most part, I try to try to be I try to be pretty happy because I feel like if you if you smile, it kind of makes you feel happy on the inside and brings her brings your mood up and why not? Knowledge the person that's walking across from you. Or whatever what kinda give people a head nod or smile little bit people. Look at you like they just wanna punch right in the fuck and face. What's this guy's problem? Maybe needs get on the carnivore died. I don't know the I went to the UPS store earlier. And I saw this. I mean. Like this like maybe middle aged Asian lady walking out of the ups store. I walk into the ups store. I go out I go to the post office, and I see her the polls ovals like, oh, hey, what's going on? We both had the same idea. And she was like she was just she was looking at me with a death stare. And I was like, and then I went through. I was like, oh, no you would just ups. She was just a, hey, it wasn't even that just in a hazing future. She didn't even notice me. Right. I was there. And I noticed most people are in this Hayes of confusion, and is it the sugar carbohydrates the refined foods, of course. But I'd be curious to see if you increased if you if these people had a base amount of nutrients in their diet, that's probably part of it too. That's that's my main contribution. Before the show, we were actually talking about Romeo and eating raw meats, and you know, like, my family wouldn't f- with that like like straight up, you know, just like you cannot convince African family to eat like. But Andrew mentioned something funny that I never really thought about sushi, you know, and I. Yeah. You know, I eat raw fish. So what is this like adversity? It's like eating a raw a straight up Ross steak. Right. So yeah, this is a whole another big topic in itself, this is so for the indigenous example all indigenous groups eight cooked Ross, they ate all types of meat every indigenous group every single way raw, you know, every way logically speaking. On Anna scientific on a scientific basis. What happens when you cook meat is you're essentially you reduce the micronutrient content to some degree, the if you cook a steak well done which most people don't do. So the nutrient degradation isn't this aveer? If you cook a steak well done broil in the oven for an hour. You lose about fifty percent of the vitamins and twenty thirty percent of the other fats Ivo vitamins. Now, of course, if you cook a steak, rare that's not as big of an issue. But what you're doing by cooking the state because you're concentrating the calories. So you're sacrificing micronutrients, and you're increasing caloric density. This is very important for survival. Because. You know, when I tried the raw primal diet. I started craving meat. I started not meet I started craving cooked meat. I started craving salt. There's a caloric need and consuming only raw meat products. Like bottlenecks that caloric need in the diet. So when and if you're consuming, a carnivore diet, there's no indigenous group that was really they're very few that were completely carnivore. And even those that if an indigenous group had unlimited access to animal foods, they would still only eat eighty percent of their calories or so from animal food. So this means that okay? If you only need to eat, maybe thirty to forty percent of your calories from animal foods to get enough nutrition in the diet. It doesn't really matter. If you cook your meat and reduce the neutering, and by a certain amount because you're still getting the nutrients in, you know, does that make sense? So if you eat if you need to get a certain amount of nutrients and cooking, the food reduces the nutrients by half, why not just double the amount. That's what you can essentially do. So what you're doing is. You're getting more calories, but you're getting less micronutrients. I mean, there are some nutrients that you do like if you really cook a piece of meat long, vitamin c content loss and me does have vitamin c for anyone that doesn't know that. There's a couple of nutritional databases that do indicate that. And certain usually the water cycle vitamins are more prone to oxidation of vitamin d three is a bit more prone to oxidation heat as well. Now, the bacteria thing and the parasite thing is certainly certainly big one to talk about so salmonella and E coli salmonella occurs. Only in chicken, that's im- pretty important to note. Chickens, carry salmonella, I'm assuming it's because even though a lot of animals are kept in horrendous conditions, chickens or captain even worse conditions in E coli is present in. I mean, I'm sure more people get e-coli from Romain lettuce than they do from eating meat and there's a lot of recalls around, but this is all cross contamination. People don't realize that a lot of these very low paid workers literally have to use the bathroom in the fields. And sometimes that gets in people's vegetables. People don't realize what's going into you know, where the meat's go. What's going into that ground meat? I you know, I've never listened. I've been eating me. For six and a half seven years on this diet, and I've never been sick. Once from raw meat that being said, I've never eaten ground me from the supermarket raw. That is definitely a good way to get coli and another thing to touch on is the strains of these bacteria. So if aggressive animal has e-coli, the strain is different when you feed a cow grain you increase the acidity of their room in one of their stomachs. This makes the coli bacteria more resistant to acid normally e-coli that occurs aggress but animal is going to be killed in your digestive. Tract it won't be as harmful, but that acid resistant strain of e-coli that will wreak havoc on your digestive system. It's interesting how feeding these animals different foods affects their meat quality to since ruminants have different Justice system than chickens the omega three two mega six grain fed beef is far more favorable than the omega three to omega six in grand chicken. But things like chicken and pork are supposed to have essentially the same omega ratios as. Things like grass fed beef and wild caught fish. It's just to have those animals on that quality of passer is really cost prohibitive at this point. So the bacterial concerns have a lot to do with cross contamination and how we're raising our animals, you know, if you go out, and you hunted deer and you kill that deer. Granted it didn't have some sort of infection. All that meat is going to be free of any modern bacterial issues. So I if I need to touch more back to your I can, but the parasites or what scare people and on one of my raw meat eating days of video people are like, oh parasite has entered YouTube or something like they're making jokes that I'm going to get parasites, and as someone who's works in restaurants whose benefit Carter who's who's been cuts meat. I know what animals parasites in so parasites in ruminant animals. I mean has anyone if listen you guys listening right now, if you if you've seen a parasite interstate, please let me know because I've seen hundreds and hundreds and. Thousands of pounds of Eton. I have not I don't even wanna bring this up because it's not really a concern. But an animal can be infested with liver flukes, and these are I think it's like snails and marshlands carry these and then the couch the grass, and then they get liver flutes in their liver. But if a cow has liver flukes, it's not going to get past the butcher. They're gonna see the livers infected Lanham lls sick. It's not going to get the meat is not going to get past. I'm sure you could Google pigs have cancer, and you could see meet with cancer in it. And you could see stuff like that stuff. Does not get past the butcher, thankfully, the big concern. The only thing I have seen worms and parasites in is fish. And it's funny because people do eat sushi, but people will I'm sure I wonder how many people have oh, you're gonna get sick from eating raw steak, and then they go to have sushi the next day, and they don't realize that sushi is actually a lot easier to get sick from and. Yeah, I mean, if you freeze meet at a certain temperature, it will kill the parasite, but parasites in fish are very very normal especi-. In larger ocean fish, if I filleted openness, salmon, and I didn't find around warm in the belly or a nematode in the belly. I would be surprised the nematodes that occur the roundworms that occur. They're non segmented roundworms that occur in salmon aren't harmful to you means because they can't really borrow through the intestine they can cause stomach upset if they get through. But this is like if you get sold a piece of meat, and there's a worm in it, and it get it gets passed the butcher it gets passed your inspection. It's kind of your fault for not really looking at the meat carefully. Or and if you're not looking at me carefully and slicing it, then then you probably want to cook it a little bit to some degree, and the worms that are actually an issue. There are some segmented tapeworms, but those occur in freshwater fish. But salmon, do go upstream and rivers. So they can have tapeworms, but these tapeworms are much much much larger. So this ties into the Bush thing it's not going to get past the butcher, you know, when they cut open the salmon there's going to be so it's gonna. To be so infested that it's not the meat is not consumable. I mean, if you really want to get gross out anymore. You can watch parasite videos on YouTube, but a really good resource for this is the CDC center for disease control, you can type in any parasite any animal any disease, you're concerned about it will give you statistics on how frequently people get sick. It will give you the ticks on parasite occurrence on bacterial infection rates. What foods they come from? And you'll find that it's mostly plants. I didn't forget about trick noses as well as preowned diseases. So trick Enosis I think that's from feeding a lot of times from feeding animals garbage. But the main concern for trick noses is a wild game meat. So unless you're eating bear meat or wild boar meat. You shouldn't really worry about trick. Noses a pork used asterik Enosis because how how poorly we treat our animals. So if you're going to consume pork, unless you're raising the animal yourself, and you got animal tests for trick Enosis when you started it. I wouldn't start doing any report. But there are a lot of countries that. Consume raw pork and they raise animals specifically to consume raw. I mean same thing with chicken people eat, plenty of raw chicken about preowned diseases are really interesting because preowneds are mis folded proteins, and you can't kill these things you could he'd. You could throw. Substance in the environment. That does not go away. I mean, Joe Rogan had a podcast on this with an expert on diseases and chronic wasting disease endear, and these proteins essentially, these bronze folds tissue in your brain. And essentially makes holes in your brain now in the context of mad cow disease, and consuming it and having an issue. There has never been one case of mad cow disease in the United States all of the cases were from people who consume to meet in another country, and then they came over here. And we're diagnosed with the disease, I've heard many very shady stories about the origin of mad cow disease. What to my understanding they fed sheep that had scrappy, which is the form of mad cow and sheep, they fed sheet meal to cows. And then they developed the bovine form of it. I mean, you can also get a pre disease crucial the disease if you were like a brain surgeon. And then you look the scout. Apple. But when people think that they're going to get a pre entities from eating brain tissue, specifically of the animal. That's not true the preowneds occur in all the tissues of the animal, although they are more concentrated in the the brain and the spinal cord the preowneds or in the whole animal itself. So in regards to concerns about actually day-to-day physical concerns scrappy in. I think it's actually called scrapie. I'm an idiot today. It's called scrapie because what happens is the sheep starts scraping their bodies against the fence. So scrapie in sheep is non has not been shown to be transferable to Uman's bought as we said earlier with these sick animals, these things don't usually get past the butcher same. Then if I mean, if you cut open lamb skull, and there's holes in the lambs brain, it'd be don't eat it. Pork is actually immune to diseases. They have like a genetic immunity to priante interesting. I've I have not eaten I've eaten Cavs brain. What's also, interesting to note is mad cow disease cannot occur in an animal until it is pass three years of age because it developed over time in the animal. What other brains can you eat? I mean, obviously, you don't wanna go out and eat a deer that had chronic disease. You don't wanna eat their brain or something. I'm sure something might happen there. But the point is has hasn't actually been shown that you can even get pre-owned diseases from other animals outside of humans and cows. And the reason the calif- was transferable to Uman's is because it was a mutated form of BSE. And the reason you can get. I mean, you can get crucial the cubs from eating brain tissue. That has groups will the cops. And also, some people arm you to it in general. That's also you mentioned that you don't eat raw ground beef. So what's your favorite type of raw meat to eat? Yeah. I mean, I maybe I've actually gone to foods like twice in the past year end. Rog around me, that's on a rare occasion. That's the only time I've ever done. It. I go to Pennsylvania has some listen to Amos people. They're the shit, man. I sort of got these people raise the animals how they're supposed to be. I bought this ground veal the other day, and I this ground like what I was like Jesus Christ this veal. It was so amazing the fresh meat raised. How it's supposed to be. I just have local farmers. I ask them. Hey, what are the cheap off cuts? You guys have fatty stuff, and I just eat whatever. But you know, you might think a brisket or a short rib or something has to be cooked very long period of time to me. I could cook a brisk at media. I could cook a brisket medium rare slice it against the grain. I can still chew it. I mean, I might have to slice it a little smaller. And but. My favorite thing to eat from a taste perspective. The tastiest raw foods to me are obviously I mean, raw dairy is delicious raw cream raw raw milk, raw sheet milk, man. My one of my favorite most, delicious foods in the world. But Maguire foods, you can cut off of an animal. I really like the the bone marrow can be really tasty. But this ties back to indigenous people they literally had preferences for every part of the animal like they might have liked the lower leg bone marrow, raw the upper leg bone marrow. Cooked. They might have liked the the sheep had boiled and the caribou had roasted over fire, very specific food preferences. And when you start tasting these foods, and you notice what you like. Things taste different. You know, fat from one part of the animal taste different than other parts of the animal, but in regards to actual cuts of meat that most people are familiar with. Yeah. Of course, I love rebuy revise Alicia. If it's really fatty the fat on brisket has this very unique flavor to it the fat on the belly of the animal. Most people eat bacon has a very unique flavor to it. Every part of the animal has a flavor. I mean, that's the great thing about this diet when you eat you could taste if a steak is flank steak, if it's skirt steak if his New York strip filet Mignon, you can taste what part of the animal. The meat is from same thing with the fat same thing with the marrow. It's it's it's really interesting where should somebody start? You know, they'll say they're grossed out. They think you're disgusting. Eating raw stuff and eat raw brains and everything where should somebody start just to get some more nutrients in their diet period without having to beyond too crazy schedule. I wanted to be very clear that you don't have to eat raw food too. Healthy indigenous foods are sorry. Indigenous groups did eat both cooked raw fermented food. You can eat a completely cooked food diet. I mean, if you're looking every single thing too, well done the only thing I would be concerned about his maybe you want some vitamin C in your die from somewhere else. You don't have to eat raw products. If you're looking to source products. There's some excellent websites like eat wild dot com. Local harvest dot org where you can look into local farms and farmers markets and see what made you have accessible on a more on an easier, relatively speaking term. I literally can go to like all the supermarkets and local butchers in my area hall butchers will have lamb pretty much any part of I did a video where I tasted every single part of her all land that I slaughtered. There's meat that's easily accessible you just have to do a little bit of legwork. Okay. The the ShopRite have grass would by. Oh, ShopRite has whereby for nine dollars. A pound. It's pretty insane. Does hope I mean, whole foods is different sore. I can't afford to eat there myself. I'd probably probably go broke buying second foods, maybe you can do ground beef all foods, but you really have to look at it. We'll start from the easiest so explore your local options supermarkets, any any sort of wholesale store. Like, Costco, see what they have available for fish, local Asian markets are a godsend. These guys will have anything alive that you can imagine that you would eat. They have it there, and they will cut it for you. And I mean, even things these they have live kill Mark. It's like where I am in queens and Brooklyn of but the meat quality ties in here. Getting the hardest thing to do is to get a quality source of me, fresh and cheap. You could get frozen stuff. That's that makes it easier. And once you've export all those local options, then you can look into farmers markets and local farms, I literally call up forms, and I say, hey, how often do you abbatoir two abattoirs slaughterhouse? You could call these places up. They often do slaughter an animal. Can I buy X amount of meat per week? If you show people you're willing to spend money and develop these relationships than you can get these foods, obviously, no, I do consult a lot of people that don't want to do these things. So there is a way to do it. And like that I mentioned earlier raw grass-fed cheese. I mean, the problem with eggs is even if you're going to the supermarket and buying the best passionate omega, three eggs. They're still being fed predominantly grain feed, the grass and meat is not as fresh and good as it could be. So there is a slight sacrificing quality. If you do want easier access to food, but. I always liked to think there's to be something wrong with you to do what I do. No, I'm sorry. The resources for anyone that's interested. Eat wild dot com. Local harvest dot org. Real milk dot com is great for finding local milk sources. And then you can even just Google. I would just Google stuff in your area. Butcher abattoir farm. There's probably a ton of Facebook groups that I don't really mess with entry. You got any questions over there? She got buddy. No. Well, my question was exactly how do we get started? But the those the websites that you mentioned were great. So thank you for that one thing that I did want to ask. And we're talking about it earlier. You know, you mention indigenous people in our ancestors and whatnot, and I'm not trying to be combative or anything like that. But we were just to take like an AB comparison, and I'll just be super basic and simple with it. We are living longer now. So why is it referenced so much in something arguments? So I actually did a whole video on that the other day explaining that one thing off the bat. That's not actually that's not actually true statistic the lie the life expectancy now is not too far off of what we used to have the constituent here is the infant mortality rate. So there were groups of people who will literally have an infant or child mortality rate of fifteen twenty twenty five percent. But if you got past that young period of life, you would likely live to sixty five seventy seventy five, and if we look at life, I mean, we can look at blue zones in life expectancy by country and see what they can they consume general. But the main argument against that is the life expectancy the other thing I like to bring up. Okay. You could argue let's say these people did die at thirty five. Let's say some of them did because these people are surviving. How long do do we think any of us would last in the woods without modern rifles Ma? Equipment. The fact that these people were able to survive with a bow and arrow in the forest like like to me. That's the craziest thing general if these people can survive with a bow and arrow in the forest and procure calories in that way. It's completely amazing. And that ties back into if you go into a forest the only thing you'll be eating is animal foods because you didn't have your ancestors to tell you. This plant is good that plant is good. You know, what to eat? There's that element of these people were literally trying to survive they had very harsh lives, and even in these in these tribes where they were very skilled and adapted hunting, and they were able to your calories very easily. They went around killing each other. You know, if you Google Australian aborigines cannibals natives to Australia. There's some really really crazy stories that I could talk about on here about what these cannibals used to actually do and they had beliefs like eating the heart of your enemy would make you stronger eating their brain would make you smarter. And I mean, listen. The branches of an animal might have mega three fatty acids in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should go over your neighbor's house and have some twisted thoughts going on. But. To tie back to the their life expectancy, people don't realize in for mortality, people don't realize the elements of survival, and the I mean, the main thing is these there's no evidence of genital disease in these people. There's no evidence of diabetes as evidence of cancer. There's no evidence of chronic disease. And if you see what they looked like they're like per, they look like marble statues. They look like perfect physical specimens and a lot of these pictures. And and one interesting thing, I bring up is not to offend any people. Have you ever seen a picture of bald eskimo or a first national asking or a ball native American? These people didn't lose their hair either. That's one interesting thing. I'm yeah. It just it gets got me thinking, you know, looking pictures of native Americans looking picture of these indigenous people, you know, they all look the same in a way, they if you think of a species of people that are from a certain area, they kind of look a certain way, and whether or not they developed properly in that way is. Conducive to their environment that I answer that. Did you want me to touch on anything specifically on the life expectancy thing? No, that's that's just about it. And yeah, there's it's definitely it's kind of like the who's better Jordan LeBron. There's so many different variables there like it's it's impossible to AB comparison. But now, you I think you hit it right on the head, man. I think to like, you know, I think that were dying longer. What I said kind of before we got on the show like there's so many people are so sick, all it's it's upset and say all life expectancy is higher and people get excited about that stat. And it's like everybody's on like all these weird drugs. And I think I mean, I'm just I just go by what I see. I see a lot of people not feeling. Well, see a lot of people. Wheelchairs and just sickly and and just not doing well and having diabetes, and heart disease, and all these other things. So I think that the message is great, you know, if we can get people to be healthier. And I I like your message to because it's coming from a place of addition now. Yeah, it would be great to have everybody like wipe out processed foods from their diet. And it'd be awesome. If people could have the willpower that you have to ninety two carbohydrate for the last decade. But you know, we realized that that's not probably realistic. But can you start to get more meat in your diet? Can you start to explore? Maybe some of the things that you mentioned to get more nutrient dense foods of Ken people make some room for some dairy and more for mended foods. Yeah. Absolutely. Can absolutely. Can it's not hard to do anyone can kind of implement some of these things. And I think it's a great way to go about it is dish by subtraction. You keep adding convince people that they need to go on a walk or have some form of exercise convince people they need. To drink more water convince people that they need more sleep. They need to recover from their day, the need to recover from their workouts. And I think it's a good place to start. Definitely. And if if these types of foods are supported if people start and even the past years, you know, these big companies, whether it's McDonald's or processed food companies when they see people want healthy foods, they switch their marketing. They try to meet the demand. So if people want to be healthy and people want healthy foods, and they're complaining that oh it's too expensive to do. Well, that's that's a whole different story. Once we once we start becoming healthier start supporting these higher quality foods. That's when there becomes a drastic shift, and it becomes accepted as opposed to the opposite of the norm. Yeah. Should be seeing awesome. A fast food rotten meat places. The opening up around the country pretty quickly here. I think. It's funny that McDonald's cheeseburger. Although I McDonald's does sell essentially rotten milk on cheese. I mean, I think the actual cheese the cheese a McDonald's patties is actually completely fake. It's not legit. I think that's a funny thing. Like people say, you know, that you brought up the Ryan meet him Donald's. Well, technically speaking if that was if that was an aged burger and cheese. It's really my it's really about convention and perception to it's really interesting. Thank you so much for your time that repre- thank you so much. Where can people find you? Frank to final on YouTube. You guys can follow me on Twitter Instagram website. Frank dash afoul dot com as well. Appreciate it. Thanks again. Thank you guys. Okay. Take care. Very interesting eating all that raw raw food. Pretty cool. I think some things some things he said, I mean are are easy to adopt. I mean other than other than like diving in on some raw food. I mean, I think I mean, it's all stuff. We've we've talked about on this podcast before having some variety of meats. You know, we've talked before on the podcast about, you know, bone broth bone marrow liver. Our brain can eat some of those things can eat liver and heart and maybe not maybe maybe just don't dig it. Right. So don't make your life any harder than it really needs to be. But if you try something, and you like it, then maybe you found something that you can implement into your life. The biggest the biggest. Just getting over how unconventional it sounds. You're right. You know, like like we talked about fasting before like, you mentioned we thought it was the stupidest thing ever, we do it. Oh, it's pretty great. So just like again like just getting over L Rami that sounds bad like from as a kid. You just don't eat raw meat. Right. Right. So you just got to get over that. And maybe do some research. See what you can eat. Maybe give it a shots. You feel probably a lot of it's probably not that bad. Trying to think of like other than a restaurant where they've had some thinly cut beef. I don't think I've really tried a lot of like raw. Meet in that sense other than like, we said sushi. That's been about it. I haven't really at home. I haven't just randomly grabbed a piece I eat my food, pretty rare. But raw is a different ballgame is a little different. And what he said made some sense to like if you choose to cook, it, maybe you just need to little more of it in the same amount of nutrients because when you cook it, you're going to cook out some of the nutrients, so it's like, okay. That's I mean, a lot of what he said even though there was some things in there. That are crazy. And he least acknowledged that. Like most people aren't going to be able to follow and do exactly what he's doing. Yeah. I like what he said about, you know, eating basically twice as much because I know when I make a steak, rare it tastes so much better. But it kills my stomach again back to my ridiculous stomach. But when I cook it really, well, I it's easier to handle, but I'm also like damage kicked it a little bit too long. But then I don't wake up in the middle of the night with my stomach cramping the way, I did the other. Try to so bad. But what if you eat less of it, and it's cooked a little less. I could give that a go. Maybe try that. Yeah. I wonder if it's the fat content too. Because I know I got some some friends that I've put on diets before and like when I put him on a Kito Dodi their stomachs is they're dying. And I think it might have to do with just the maybe the overall amount. So maybe just try to eat try to eat like six ounces and just see what that does. Maybe I can't like keep up with the the demand of trying to break all that down in my stomach or so it'd be some people there's so many other things that factor into this. But some people's gallbladder doesn't like keep up with trying to digest that amount of fat. And so therefore, it could be, you know, making you sick or could be other influences. Well, but maybe just trying to eat a little bit less might my work. Yeah. My some good. But then I'm gonna wanna reach carbs. Yeah. I know carbs like other carbs, I know car. Beget carbs. Well, that's what I noticed when I've been fasting. I'm still doing it every day. It's still Levin it. But if I have something I don't know like I'll have potatoes or I'll have extra rice just because unlike tastes really good right now. The next day is really hard to get through that initial wave of hunger. So I I don't know if that's just me or if that's just the way it is. But it's been tough. I think I think a lot of problems get solved when you keep your stomach empty. I think that will continue to help you a lot. I think fasting can be can be great from that sense. And I think you know, what Frank was talking about with just eating less, and just, you know, the conventional American standard American diet versus some of the other types of diets people might go on the main factor, whether you're going vegan or carnivore which seem like total opposites maybe in both cases, you just are making healthier decisions. And maybe in both cases because you're on a quote, unquote, diet, your also choosing to eat less, and maybe the simple. The act of eating less can help make us healthier. And then also, you know, when we had marxists. And on the podcast. We've had other people on the podcast who talked about Kito genyk diets. And they talk about you know, your body's ability to switch over from being a sugar burning machine to a fat-burning machine. I think that some of these things are are misleading. And I think that in the absence of excess calories. I think the body works at self out and uses what's there as fuel? I think you're buys like pay. We got we got a little bit of sugar over here. And you're getting kind of tired, let's funnel that out to whoever needs it. And I think the body like, although it is it can be very confusing on how all all the stuff works. I think it's I think it's simply a lot of times just come down to you know, if you're if you're continually eating massive amounts of food. I think you're kinda Rican havoc on your system and causing a lot of problems. Yeah. And then my biggest concern, and you know, how we talked about it a couple of episodes ago about. Like fascinate doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I need to be eating way. More like this dumb, blah, blah. I haven't lost. Anyway at all. And I really only been eating one to two times a day and yesterday or Tuesday doing dead lifts trap bar dead lifts, but Markle's like let's go for a heavyset of six in to see what you can get like, you're probably still fill in strong from the meat and everything. So let's go go for it ended up pull in three hundred six times previous to that did three hundred once for a like all-time PR. So I don't know what that was all about. But it's I'm not losing strength. And I'm not losing weight, which was my biggest concern of all of this. So whatever the hell is happening. It seems to be working. I think fasting. Your body releases some hormone to help protect lean muscle. Mass body will lease them a hormones that will just help protect you in general. So I think it's you know, how long were you fasting that day fasting pretty long on that day. I don't know. Exactly. I just know. Also, I sure skip breakfast. And then I don't eat before one o'clock. So there's a good chance that was eighteen hours fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's kind of falls in line with most of the research that shows that you aren't going to really lose muscle mass. Now, you know, could you could you optimize your diet better towards gaining more muscle mass and towards by eating more. Frequently sure I'm sure he can write. But you know, from what I've seen in seem as been doing this for a little bit longer as well. And I think a lot of people are reporting kind of similar facts with fasting. That's great thinking it just six. Trying out because like like I mentioned shortly. I was doing it wasn't Kito because I'll still eating carbs panels eating less than about seventy grams of carbs day and still doing the same activity just to see like in the back. I was like I'm gonna feel tired. I won't have much energy. I felt fine. But I didn't feel at any less energy at all actually felt maybe a little bit better. So it's kind of odd. Because like when you look at a lot of like, let's say high intensity athletes, maybe athletes that do basketball soccer jujitsu. I would've expected to feel like no energy on the mats. Because that's what I hear from a lot of people that, you know, cut cut out there, carbs or weightless carbs. But I didn't feel any of that. So I think there's probably a large mental aspect to it. They're like, oh, modding carbs feeling tired. I think that a lot of that might not actually be true just might be literally mental. And you're pretty smart with all this stuff too. Because you've been doing it for a long time. So I'm sure that maybe when you look at it. You're like I'm gonna cut back on some carbs. But we more fat. I'm going to have. Yeah. I'm gonna have more meat. I'm going to eat more fat, right? And. I think that was Frank's point was like a lot of times if you're gonna eat carbs a lot. Maybe you're not getting the nutrients that you need. Maybe you eat a couple of French fries, or maybe you eat which you'd get like a little bit of like vitamin C and a little bit of vitamin a, and maybe some potassium and some sodium from that. But you're not going to get a whole lot more than that. But if you just simply eight more meat, you would get more nutrients you'd probably get a good amount of calories because you'd get more fat and you'd get more protein. So when you start to kind of break it down that way, you know, something like rice just is almost just carbohydrates. It doesn't really have a whole lot else in it doesn't mean that you can't eat rice. And doesn't mean that you shouldn't every rice. It just means that, you know, maybe maybe what we're looking at most of the time is not always the right thing. You know, we're always looking at the macro, and maybe we should be looking at the macro and the micro and piecing those together because maybe when when piece those together, maybe we have something that would work. Efficiently and work faster for us. So anyway. Some good stuff. It was. Yeah. I like that. He wasn't. He did say some crazy things and he does some even crazier convention unconventional. I'm thinking, you're good. With with words. But he wasn't you know, he said that he doesn't totally right off vegetables. And you know, he wasn't. So like, it wasn't like a religious thing for him. He's just like this is what's working. And this is why it works. You know, he kinda had a little bit of facts back everything up. He wasn't full-bore. Everyone should be eating meat. And you can also just you can utilize this knowledge for whatever you need, you know. So like vegetable somebody might say vegetables or kinda worthless. And like he pointed out vegetables can sometimes have anti nutrients, and they certainly don't have a lot of calories. Right. But now, let's talk about, you know, you're doing bodybuilding show or you're doing a physique show. And he want to lose a bunch of. Or let's say you wanna lose a bunch of weight. And let's say let's say you weigh three hundred pounds. You wanna lose weight well shit a three hundred pound person has probably over long period of time. Consumed a lot of food a large volume of food. So now, let's say, okay. You know, I want you to with every meal, I want you to have, you know, two big servings of vegetables because he want that person to feel satiated and you want them to get used to their food and you want over a period of time for to bring down their caloric intake. And that's where you can utilize vegetables to your advantage. And Furthermore, if you just like them, just eat them, you know, you don't need to make life that hard. I mean, if something is is messing up your sleep. If something is messing up your stomach if you're not feeling right then. Yeah. You need to reevaluate that. But in general, if you feel pretty good, and you like the foods that are in your diet, you're pretty happy with the results you're getting and I don't think there's a lot of reasons to really overly worry about the fights not against vegetables. If it's not against for fight against trying to trying to pull the reins and a little bit on these processed foods because those things we're gonna tend to overeat and more than likely those are going to be the things that. Give us the body that we don't want three just taking a little bit from everything. And just keeping it simple. I don't eat a lot. Don't eat a lot of sugar or a crazy amount of it. If you want to have a little bit here, and there and a lot of processed packaged foods, I've been staying away from that for a long time. Now, I just feel overall better and just add in what feels good you don't have to totally cut out carbs. If you feel better with carbs, but don't eat like, eight hundred grams pay liquid carbs. It's it's it can be very simple, but you can make it difficult if she a lot of unnecessary when used to eat more carbs, and even when you design diets for people what happens when the carbohydrate intake is really high. I would imagine that the fat content has to come down. Right. The fact there's a guy right now. John John Schafer. I think you've seen it before is really white black guy on Instagram. Right. He's eating like maybe four hundred he's white and black. That's why. But he looks white, but he's half black. That's why really white black. Anyway is in. Bagram name. It is Instagram. All it is is John. I think right now is eating like ninety grams of ninety or maybe hundred grams of today, but he's eating like an nexus of a four hundred ninety five hundred cards. Yeah. He does jitsu. Also, he's done shows. He's he's jacked. And this is like the Lena sees ever been, but the most food is ever been eating, and that's even a pretty reasonable amount of fat. A lot of times you hear even some of these high level bodybuilders that are big that are, you know, this guy probably weighs what two hundred pounds to ten to actually probably to ten to twelve. And the funny thing is is like right now, he's doing jitsu lifting. But what we were getting ready for his body building show think like a year ago year and a half ago Hughes eating like maybe his carbs are at two hundred and his fats down elect fifty sixty to get that lead eastern a lot of loans to cardio now. Obviously, he's doing much more work and for to actually feel that we're just eat a lot of. Food, but he's almost he's close to being show. Right met him before Barbara Reagan you've met him. Yeah. So I mean, if you were to right now like he'd be there in in six weeks, but like he's eating an insane amount of food. So it really just depends on the person, and like how much activity they have to feel their workouts? That's what I'm like. It's also a good idea. It's a good idea to get yourself used to eating more food is a good idea to get yourself used to eating less food. Right. I mean, if you were going to go back to bodybuilding, you might wanna think about like, you know, for lack of a better term. You might wanna think I'm gonna race up my metabolism. And I'm going to start to eat more often more frequently, and maybe you're gonna start to do today workouts, where you got a little bit of cardio in their little bit of pump sessions going on here and there, right? And so you might just switch stuff up just to throw your body like just throw a monkey wrench into it. And kinda see you know, how how you react to it. But you know, a lot of people that are trying to adhere. To a diet. They just try to always eat less and always eat less and always eat lessen the new start maybe with something like fasting, and then they're trying to fast, more and more and more and more all the time. And it's like well now, you might get to a point where you're going to start to rebound back from it. So we need to you need to kind of like an exit strategy out of these things like what what are the next couple steps gonna look like and what I shared with a group that I've been helping earlier today. I said there's gonna you need to have time for everything understand that you know, there's going to be period of time or you eat less and you'll continue to weigh less. And it's gonna be a point where your weight's stops your hundred eighty five pounds, and you're stuck there. And you wanna be one hundred sixty five or whatever you're gonna be stuck. We stuck there for a little while. It's okay to be stuck. And when you're stuck that's a good good time not to give up. But it's a good time to switch gears. A good time to say, okay, I fasted I made some progress a loss fifteen pounds. That was great. And I you know got. Of carbohydrates. I'm gonna bring fruit back in. I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring a cheat meal back in once a week. I'm gonna burn right? Like just because you're playing the long game. You know, you don't there's no reason for you to weigh one sixty five tomorrow. And even if you die even if we could figure that out you're going to rebound back hard, and you won't be in the shape that you wanna be in anyway. So because we know that we're playing a long game it might take a year to get there. But that's fine. The longer that takes us to get there at the longer you're going to be able to stay there and the easier going to be. Anyway, that's all the time. We got today. Strengthens never week this week this never strength. Catchy. Guys later.

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Coffee Talk: Bellator Japan and RIZIN 20 Edition

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Coffee Talk: Bellator Japan and RIZIN 20 Edition

"Really Cute Okay we we did. What do we this this is? It's a poor over so it's been ready. It's been ready. We mean it's been ready soon as so we doc. We're not doing. So here's Javanese even like a little use bags creamy powder I just put sugar in mine. Get my coffee black ice cream. Every Okra uh-huh okay. We're GONNA worse a little flabby. Americans the PHARISAIC embarrassing. Oh my God what are we drinking. What are we drinking right now? We are drinking. Pour over coffee. We're we're in Tokyo. In Tokyo. Japan there are five thousand. Great coffee houses around here but we don't think Japanese Panesar know anyone here so drinking coffee in a room here we are. It is Jane Way I Happy New Year and we're in Tokyo Japan and this is coffee. Talk I'm Casey Liden Westerlund and Um uh-huh yeah so on Sunday here local time around noon. We're we traveled to watch Bella Tours. I event in Japan. But let's go back a little bit and one of the first time that we we came born In Japan our time here was December of two thousand eight became for the K one. Dynamite New Year's Eve special so at the time has KAELIN DREAM CO promoting for their New Year's Eve show is December thirty first two thousand eight. Well the only thing I really remember from that was the okey versus Eddie Alvarez and over in Respond Hari and we saw sea vs Musashi. Yeah I'm sure there are other ones on revising a member on. That was the first time I'd watched. They have the under. Eighteen kickboxing matches. I I remember like families and I just I look like doges of nine year olds Cry US chain. That was part of the show. They had odd auguring teachers on there was like a sixteen or seventeen year old fighter. Name Hito on the card. He's like you know just. He was kickboxing. Saying it's crazy. There was a lot of like sixteen kickboxing and it was just super Yet so that was that was was was New Year's Eve news for news then maybe like two days later Sin Goku Riazan. Four days later some Goku had their New Year's new year's event and Dan The end that was just bonus because just by chance. We happened to be the same hotel with mayhem. Miller who we knew at the time we we met his manager and his manager. Also manage manage chemo. The Wall with time with only one or no to anno- but he was already being built as a big star Japan at that time and so we met Mo and then and they were like yeah become a I in basically they just kinda through the fighter bus in all of a sudden. We're backstage at at at another in the main event and I remember that just being equally the incredible that was I over a decade ago. And now we're back again and later years later ambulatory in cage business I tom. What was your experience? My experience was You know the the show itself is is still very much to our show But it was really nice. Crowd obviously very different The entrance ramp the use the same one as they were gonNA use you these later in rise in And just generally there is a kind of a nicer feel to it like it's a little more pleasant. There was a lot let there was a very a lot less hecklers or people doing zero. There's no bullying and there is There is not really like there was like one or two people like you could. Here are some random American dealing Americans. You're yeah but like It was it was really magical and I could in like a really good way that I could tell just by looking at all the faces of the people who worked at wor like I looked over as coker and he was just like ema he was so happy to be there. This is like a dream for him. I think tiff Steph. To promote an event here in Japan it Rian kick in at. I didn't really for me sitting cage side I didn't go. I didn't really go. Oh man this is really really awesome. It wasn't until the first it was actually go Clutch Hammer cheap trick. And as soon as they got in there you could hear fire every every step. I could hear both those guys breathing. I hear everything the corner was saying it was it was. You're never gonNA is never going to be that quiet even wash guys Sparta. Jim is other people talk radio plan. There's phones going off there's a beeper ring bells going off like it was just these guys in the Matt every loose ball you hear every everything it was. Just it's it's really I. Actually I get much. I had much greater appreciation for everything because every block every you hear you hear everything. Yeah it was just like Oh this is this is awesome. Yeah it's it's cold because I feel like in a sense that it's getting people get to watch the fight. The the crowd gets to watch his fight. Say How someone like me gets to see it. 'cause I'm normally am the closest person besides the ref the judges until I hear a lot of that stuff but I hear the things that most people don't get to here and That's that's the benefit of doing it. This way you know in terms of like it's quiet and needed to hear the corners and he gets here steps breath the blocks and everything and you know this thing lender not fade or rampage rampages. Skip to the main event. You know there were fun. They were fun fights up to them. But let's go. Let's go with what people came to see. It was it was it was actually a really solid bancard. Actually the How come over Miami I yeah I thought he translated wealth? The crowd people really liked him. he didn't celebrate this time the same way he would normally show but during the fight. Once you one right. 'cause that's what you do here You don't rub it in people's faces when you beat someone An people were. The crowd was appreciative. Should of that and they actually really appreciated his flair and style and Andy his nar two walkout so Yet no he definitely came while while on the crowd and people liked him if he loves having back fatal rampage. How many fate or fights have you shot now it right Rogers least Ville Yeah probably ten? Yeah I I think I think every American flags had except within Henderson fight every fight North America or by the states so this is your first time Ginny fader and actually Japan To me I wish I wish I wish he was on the rising card I want. Yeah but I but I enjoyed the walkout. I enjoy just seeing it. I thought rampage I I I enjoy the how the camera director like. Let's say the basically Kinda shot at the same way they know they have. The cameraman runs up the ramp. You know meet some in. I enjoy that. If they'll good I was Kinda Kinda bummer. It was in a cage like if I should have been in a ring But yeah I mean I mean personally I just Kinda hate around Caja General. That's just my there's too many posts it's hard to through blogs Razor just aesthetically pleasing. That's just a fact Obviously people have complaints about them. People fall out blah blah. That kind of stuff action has to get restarted every once awhile but there's no argument aesthetically obviously arenas more placing however They used the same. Re Lighting Rig as is it and so I thought That looked really great. Emit actually made the pictures. Look I think a little different softer The the lighting grid was really soft and then white like that. Exactly thirty two hundred Kelvin. I noticed that just the colors were adult even just Naked eye watching Jingyuan. TV But watching. Something seem brighter. The northern normal auditory there was little by little okay. This is my first time. I got this. He ran pay fater fighting a Japanese crowd. So like all those other shots that rampage was blocking the beginning ginning cameras you know. He's as we're at the Pie Tapani and I can hear everything I can hear of career. Yeah it's like I duNNo. It's like I was just like man Still Swings hard. He's still swings fast. Asked and it's I duNno. It's still he's still kind of Magic Watch he's not the same store but of course he's forty whatever now but it is. I still love watching it and just getting a chance to see him in that environment. Even those don't cage was awesome. An the shot that dropped rampage Twenty I want my watch the video. It didn't look as a racist temple but when I saw my eyes boom I was. It's like wow and then has rampage is going down. I don't see people talking about this. But like as he's going down I mean by right in the fight ends I can hear rampage. Tell the ref he didn't hit me with hit like obviously concussed face planet base wants his other replay. ooh Okay. But it was wild sues. That shot hit him before we hit the ground he was already gone. Oh no I was like man. That guy hits hard and like I don't gear. How fat rampages you don't rampage out of one shot to the head? You just don't do that and it happened and I actually I. I didn't think I didn't. I honestly think that was possible. I thought it'd be some kind of weird ground and pound thing eventually like maybe yes. I'm like that. I didn't think I didn't think it was GONNA be able to one shot kill rampage. The Bells remained cards starting at noon. Here which is ten PM Eastern in the United States Start at noon and they had their six card and then and then rising post limbs. How how did the? How did the reisen portion of the Butler the tour card end? Oh yes so. This is great so it was reisen roles in observator cage so that means there are soccer kicks in these on the ground and Lo and behold the very last night in the main event for the rising portion of the card ends with the soccer cake. You sketchy just soccer. Soccer kicks in the face. It was. It was violent like it was like it was crazy and then he came to the Afterwards both of them Yeah it was crazy. It was just a wildfire swinging the whole time running around the cage and just following all over the place and then that sequence he was Actually falling right when he got soccer kicked in the face so wasn't quite quite Mansa. But it's crazy it's like right across from me like APP perfect angle again. I never happened and I was just like well all right right so we're done jump on the train home very next day. We go to the fighter hotel and of the very very nice western Tokyo. And we have we go for the ceremonial Wayans for rising right then. Yeah so rice on. Only how ceremony want ceremonial lands. They don't It's not open to the public in how they have like official winds that you have in the morning and bells were does as well And Media and public are allowed to watch medium public are not allowed into these way for for reasons. Actual INS doesn't matter though there's another thing they have their show they they have ceremony went in like ballroom at the western and the way they do. This is actually. It's is open to the public but not to everyone it's just too ticket a VIP ticket holders. Because it's a small group. And what I really enjoyed Loyd about this and they did this actually Away as well because the rise in ticket holders I think got to go to both shows. they At the very end they make all of fighter standing on the stage and the fans come in and rose and get to take pictures with a cutest thing ever so like all these fighters they you know they just wait in their main base. aww I'm going to beat you up you know I'm GonNa beat you ever. And then they sit down and they bring him back up and then go okay and they sound a standard for about ten minutes. It just Rosa fans come in and they just like pose then another son just so adorable. It is pretty adorable It was just a fun experience it was just need to be in that kind of environment And just see someone you know another promotion doing doing things differently. Obviously they've actually been doing things the same in their system for for many years am it's just kind of refreshing. It's been a long time since I've shot a Japanese by all right so that was on that Monday Monday. So yesterday was Tuesday. We the jump on the train had Saitama around noon. You'll be left around noon again so actually for belts where we left at like ten in the morning or whatever 'cause we had to be there before name no let mine Never Max we left before nine. I forgot we had to be there like by ten thirty in the morning it takes a little over an hour for Ford. The rising card. We left at noon to get that one For three o'clock opening ceremonies terminate our three o'clock opening ceremonies that the payroll always gets that big boom the every every time. Everyone's Zoe like we're just mean. Just lie just but just we've seen this on TV and everything is just so cool. It is it's just because you don't know that that's always the no making how boring Ori Repetitive U. OF C. Events. Get you know exactly what they're gonNA show on the big screen. I know you know Zaki but this is like you have no idea. What with this with the themes gonna be everything was and they do the entire car top the bottom they bring all the fighters out it just opening? Tr packaging to see that. Yeah I thought that was really got the spray paint art. I thought that was really cool So they'd Stencil art for the For the opening graphics that was really neat and then they introduced everybody required. Everyone got equal out. So you're watching. You're in the ring. I'm right but I'm right by the stage and you know they come out and everything and I actually johnny cases only Twenty feet away from me. You know. 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They introduce all the officials adult motive. Here here all referees for the night here all the judges and then Oh and then they had lenhart up and then. The crowd cheered for her. They love her Yeah it's just it's that's a very formal But in a way that I enjoy the fights does a really solid part. Top Autumn was so amazing so started with the lightweight tournament Johnny case versus Towfighi inside the pit bull versus Luis Castillo both just like the end of their ninety seconds. And then both Winder Ninety Boom boom straight up. I felt like since both guys who every off for those fires new I think off off or the more you know what win or lose is first round because we have to fight again so those both vogue is is came out swinging Just too big knock outs and soccer kick knockout. Yes and then it was just fine and it was really the crowd Ras into it. And you know what I really might make. Favorite things is that when the fighters come out the ballot fighters especially when they come out through the big screens in the pirates. All turnaround and look at it. And they're like Oh kind of just like checkout where they are. I just feel like Oh my God my name has never been that big. My face is I can't take. Yeah yeah it is with the screens open up and then come back and it was like just like you. Just look at us. Guys like I hope they I mean I j m almost nervous like me how do you soak it all in but at the same time Oma guy again convinced by the two minutes so either you still get in. It goes works to your advantage or not. I don't know and then after the after the lights with Miyamoto versus Anthony And that was We're talking about the earlier in the sense that that was like the most Japanese fight on the card. Hard in terms of me I'm a motto is not a world beater. We all know this is not like the top. She's not top stronger. Adam later. Whatever weight class? She's fighting but that doesn't matter because she's on card for storylines she's on the card. Because the motive family outgrew Ramos Marlins family brother and so it was really a But that doesn't it's not a bad thing. She's she's also very good wrestler and he was just really They somehow made it I don't know it was a good competitive fi. They found you know AMP has actually fought in rise in a couple of times And I thought it was really nice to see it just It's it's an emotional side of of the fight game and the opening it was like all he will cry. Yeah I was we. We were allie package. Just Japanese anime. How they how they promote things I was I was watching it with? I'm the manager. I'm Dan Dan Dan Rubenstein and they were showing these lose. There's no tinging knocked out. You know by mayweather and things like that and I was like man. I love how they sell losses. Because it's all about how you come back that's what it's about. It's like anyone can win new one that they the the real story line is coming back in preser- we're very and those are just so different is they're just really just different totally different Environment and things being what they find important to fighter But yeah I just really enjoyed it. After it was after me was at mix and he looked super impressive. Impressive on how good is patchy mix pretty damn good. And we haven't even seen his striking at because people always grapple with And he's an extremely good grappler so Actually you can. Toya is a very good grappler so that was the surprise. I was actually ribs apprised of how quickly that was this yet. Like I've heard stories about how good he is coaches talk but like man. He seemed ready for. I am wants it like like they think he said he went Twelve hundred zero in eleven amateurs like a twenty something fight win streak in his mind Win Streak and He's like he wants bell. He wants he wants to being the rise about he'll get he wants about the Gerbil. Obviously organization. May I think I think I think he's going to be one of the top. Two or three breakout stars next year. Yeah I think he's that good in He's he's a exciting finisher in We have we have. He hasn't had to use his hands yet. Yeah Yeah was after that. So many. So many fights She she after that. I don't know I feel like there are there so many Cubans walkout was amazing. His Mercury Walkout Killer uppercut because the killer uppercut I mean just the action. All of it was good. It's actually so good that is my brain is actually overflowing in. There's just too much going on because we were at the arena till like to to a little past two. Am last night. We didn't get back to our tolerant until four. Lucas takes an hour yourself so yeah I was just about any time. We got back I think fights happened. I mean it was amazing and it was great and and I had like this This kind of joy And I want this something that I feel like I should say later but thinking of it now one of the things that happens to me after I watch a fight is noticeably. I'm really sad the next day like I'm happy. It's kind of exciting event or whatever for the most part I watched a lot of people get beat up in it weighs on my emotions and an actually makes me sad the next day a But this wasn't like that I woke up this morning even after only four hours of sleep in hours. Ready to go Because excited and I wanted to share everything I saw last night and just overall like the lightweight tournament with the ending with Towfiq in pit bull petrosky was Su- so such a good fighter so crazy when piggy fell through the ropes. He hurt his shoulder but he didn't want to stop fighting so they kept going. Just everything just like. Every element of it was awesome into the belts are so cool looking very odd. Formality of the the the Fire Bouquets for people pedal challenging All of that stuff jesse. Everybody was going when they hit the main card after the big intermission Okay intermissions real quick. Everyone loves the complainer missions and I get it man we we were those people we watch. We had suffer those forty five minute intermissions man but we are there live. You understand because basically what you've pay-per-view essentially they put intermissions missions little timid emissions air between every fight in Japan thirty second knockout or a full three round fight as soon as dance boom next video. Jio Package Hymns on so it just keeps going and going going to use their so the opening ceremonies you watch seven five six. That's three three and a half hours or so. Yeah Yeah you WANNA get up because actually it is. It's considered not rude. But unless you have to get up you gotta you you sit there watch also just want simple. Just sit and watch Chen. It gives them time you get up. Go eat at gathering you do all that stuff like you can actually renewed. Actually the budget restaurants right around on their hands. It's about a forty five minute breaks yet. People leave their they take their time. Yup come back in and It's it's a totally different unpleasant. They may not all of it so the brakes are built in on purpose. You on an obviously sucks for us when we're home it's like four or five. Am and you're all my God. I can't can't stand before. Watch forty five minutes of replace but you get when you hear and that's fine but yeah that that actually reminds me of the thing we were talking about though. Is that if your true enemy. Then you know people always like probably never die about people should make the pilgrimage pilgrimage out here to to watch a big Japanese event. Because I think it's just different if you're not if now if you're an anime fan save up couple thousand bucks in seriously come out here is you just have have to. I don't know if you're beginning of May van at some point no once every five years or so saving money go to Vegas go joe you. UFC Pay per view in Vegas Van Save Your money come in for New Year's see a big event inside timer you need you need. Both experiences assist goes there to their punching. Everything's the same But it's about everything around before after which are completely different and Yeah like I'm sure whatever you'd be if you dig you've experienced data but I think you need to fill it up. Yeah Yeah it's it's always get to have Just kind of a broader Palette pre. You can appreciate both. How both both promotions The other fights better absolutely then so Japanese on May has intermissions all kind of stuff. But when you're here live it totally makes sense we come back into the main card right and After Towfiq Messiah Messiah of Wins Wins. The lightweight tournament then Drina rematches with Lindsey van. Zandt who Lindsey vonn beat in New York Beltran York. Rei Walkout walkout was crazy. She has rappers and she was dancing the whole time and singing along and that's got to be a ton of pressure. We've not must be a ton of pressure but we also spoke with moe about this because people used to criticize her. Doing big walkouts in mayhem. TV's no this is like a welcome distraction planning planning this helps get my mind off the minutiae of the fight right. So she has this huge walkout and it's such a dramatic fighters there's been flow and are you saying is dramatic. What a dramatic? Yes and that's what I felt like all tat all Ovalles. Todd that kind of ebb and flow and just kind of this amazing like a just. Your heart was pounding And I dunno now is cool and then I then we actually so then. There was a later on the main card. I Oklahoma Sake fought so you have and that was Hello and welcome as frigging amazing high level dude. The two best hundred pound women are fighting in Saitama in front of was the Twenty Nine Thousand People Twenty nine thousand people. He's two hundred pound. Women are fighting in the the whole blazers totally engrossed in their HAMASAKI. Chant everywhere. And it's just like it was just it was awesome. It was like wow awesome. There are some how how much like why I keep saying that. Why want these fans that come over and experience it like you can hear some girl? The the nose bleeds. How much you'll hear here? You look at other. She is and it. Just there's no heck that many people that one person decided to go woo no the whole night for two straight nights but not a single no. I are a single woo. Boo Not a single put them in a body bag and I was single. Fuck him up and I was thinking I from from an American from an American you know if they find out I interupting we already know illegible much it was just so great sounds. We're talking about people coming over and stuff like yeah I know but but I just wanted to talk about how good the fight was in Just everything about it and also oh shit. Go back then rewind. I forgot to talk about the end of Raina yet because I saw online all early savage early salvage and actually the REF. She's in her. Didn't want to stop the fight at that moment view view hesitant but actually bandannas corner threw in Equivalent of the towel. It gives them a little colored baton. So no it's like a little bread foam baton for the Red Corner Blue And they just they threaten so let's see so the corner actually stopped by their fighters too much they. The drink is actually what happened. So that if that clears anything up for anyone out which I didn't at first but then I looked down and I thought he was the phone baton on okay. Wow Yeah that's interesting yeah I think that's really. That's that's really a day. If they're corner knows they know they know how much he had earned. They knew she was probably pretty tired. even though there was only twenty seconds fifteen seconds left they felt it it takes. It doesn't take very long predict some serious damage so I also wonder My my guess. Is that Reisen a pace flat flat rates not on show and win so the reason why is because I feel like a lot of fighters fight with abandoned. There's a lot less of big like conservative -servative grind out fight because You get rewarded for exciting bites here By being brought back so I actually think that that's probably why the corner was like us. She's just taking a lot of punishment. Let's just tossing the Not Worry about when paid so. Yeah Yeah again. So the money doesn't make him more or less money doesn't change. Yeah so that was awesome the Amway Championship. I was awesome measuring super goodbye tension. Oh Shit back. And she often tension towards kick boxing match in there. Yeah Yeah we just carrying all of the near shows artists in general. There's always like one or two inches logo the through the mayweather right. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Hey we'll be one of those people anyway. Tension is an amazing I would say flyweight flyweight kickboxer and he was is facing Rabata King of knockout Nazi promotion here a very good kickboxing promotion. And you know you saw this showed all the highlights forehand keys knocked knocked out a lot of people exposed punches and with leg kicks which is looks so painful a couple people. You'd see people falling over after getting kicks in Lake The intention make him look amateur was crazy. I remember hearing I buy them not super hardcore and hardcore hardcore cake box Libor. Like okay finally rises giving a good a good a good fight pretension. I disguised tough in the like. Oh well he made. He made that he made. That guy looked worse than some of the fighters F as tension kickboxing. It was like no I was interviews the back so I I may come out to the arena to see the opening ceremonies. I saw I think patchy mix wanted to walk out. I think it's a couple of walkouts breath but the only thing I wanted to see beginning to end tension so I came out during Oh I think Because right before it was Hamasaki Ham so I came out like maybe the third row was watching out Outta here the crowd. So I'm watching it back stakes places so quiet with they're paying attention back. I could hear attention back back. WACK admits I'm like I saw fans going is that it's just like so. That's quite as you can hear the echo so and and then I kind of look over and I saw tension kind of pace walking around and like I felt like I was like I should be looking at this again. I contact your wasn't he was mean mugging. He's about the night. You're just walk lab. I think Oh my goodness yeah. That was really thrilling for me It's high level. Kickboxing is so fun to watch and so fun to shoot And I got some crazy pictures of that fight and the it was just so thrilling to watch so skilled in so interesting and What what people? I don't know people solve this part because I don't know what the broadcast looks like. Whatever but one of the interesting things is like you may look attention and think look at that little punk? 'cause you know he's real young and his cool hair Iran whatever. It is very fancy. Robe any cell Not This guy. Any celebrates authentic the very end after that. He walked straight over to the guy. Roux we about Matrix was okay. Abbad has a twin brother who also fights you know made made sure he was okay and then he hasn't there another brother so it was just like him going to each family member bowing talking and it was just extremely extremely respectful immediately turned off by Modin go straight delight responsible martial ords mode. Yes I understand that. That's just kinda weird like clash of cultures. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Maybe it's just for me because I don't 'cause mation or whatever but for me I prefer this because This is why you got into swagger today sometimes this we came here for the first time eleven years ago on watch a fight And that's what really sold me on continuing continuing to work in emanate so we had just lost their jobs at a league. See in I was like that was kind of fun experiment. I think I'm going to go back to working production in Los Angeles but when I came out here and I got to experience what is here. That's actually when we started the site And doing the videos and stuff like that because it was so beautiful and aesthetics are so pleasing in this story lines were so deep that that's what made us want to continue in this field. Yeah it was. It was Japanese anime. That made us want us like oh I want I want to what they do here. I WANNA present my work. No your photos videos in the same vein. has they do out here. Yeah that's pretty much it. Yeah Yeah and I think that pretty much into this man by doing this but all cable awesome against. Hi Sikora crazy crazy. Why and I know for sure this is going to end up in their next highlight package park? The car was like all sitting there. Bowling Malcolm comes over in thanks. kisses him on the forehead and he's like serious for a second and then as soon as cape walks away he just starts bawling again but overall just like this is the that was rising twenty Japan to it would remind me of Also going back secrecy. To forty three twenty nineteen was a Europe events. That reminded me of why I was a fan is he is he is you breakout year but but I want to point out to people. Oh you just love Japanese. But he's amazing. Actually that love is I just love. I love variety and like I don't want everyone to be like I don't like this I I won't actually actually like that's why I love actually as a fan I love Shinya Aoki. Yeah even though. He's a Japanese fighter. He was an asshole. You guys arm and then give them the fingers. Whoa you don't do that Japan over here especially big move? But that's it's Kinda cool because it creates drama. It makes it makes a dramatic you know. That's Kinda and that's what the story lines are. Because I don I don't want everyone that'd be boundaries. Go if that's not you that's not you you know you're still good fighter. He can still be still and be respectful but sucker fighting but like yeah because because defying that really matters. I know it's more variety. Yeah say that I WANNA do this all the time. If I was shooting a only reasons maybe I would get tired of the way that they work. I don't know But for me it's a welcome change It's it's nice to see how other people do things and this is why competition is fun. Yes anybody was this the car of the year I one hundred percent thing rising twenty with only forty five minutes to spare before hit midnight here. Yeah was absolutely the CAR. The car the two thousand Nineteen fifteen invites not one stinker card. Ten of those vice were just looking. I rising card nearest card without out any kind of like Freak show fight or whatever and they sold out. They sold out just on good anime. That's a big deal actually actually is a a very undersold story here. Then I think this is good for Japanese promoters because I think they are always very okay. We got this random sumo guy out there. We got put some random celebrity. Speak out there. Otherwise the casuals won't watch it or whatever you WANNA call it But no this was every every was actually still. I put together for sporting competitive reasons. Yeah every fight and it's very fun and the fact that when the defense showed up and they enjoyed they they. They didn't need the the random though sumo guy or whatever By saying I offer all I would say. Is this pretty close to car the year. I'm I'm hesitant to say that only because I know I have recently bias. That's the last thing I remember you know I can't I have heart. I'm having a hard. Hi Tim Remembering the rest of the year because it was a year all fight full events. We went to Australia twice there. Were there. Were better better with by the a year on it was great by the yearbook solid from from the first fight till the end. And you just can't I I. I think everyone's like oh the was the thanks to thirty six with the two time fights yet. Carry those two title fights freaking awesome but go look at You forget the which was part of the here. But that's another thing I just. I love the card. I hope Everyone at home sit down watch beginning to end. Enjoy the hall aid our experience. Don't don't wash gifts in them and try to watch the whole experience. I are saving money. Play out the Japan. Come out and visit here and don't be an asshole and enjoyed it. Enjoy the culture out here. Yeah I think and and if you can't make it all the way out here no one's watching doing twenty bucks. That's pretty inexpensive for eight hour. Pay Per view. It's it's only worth it. This benefactor coffee talk. I want to sell went down all we were in here. Yeah I am so glad actually. We got to make it out to Japan this year. Since you'll see isn't having their nuclear show really opened opened up opened up this year for travel and to have in your experiences in and we're entering a new decade so it's really nice to have And I don't know how it cleanse. I guess this is great for a Japanese anime. This giant cast forecast in an open. Hoping forget things coming. Yeah well this. This is been coffee. Talk of E. Casey Liden. That's as you thanks for watching subscribe here. Click like Sean join our instagram. Bali wasn't Tick Tock Uh.

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Episode 2  Part 2: The Impact of Uruguay and Cuba on Two Master Musicians

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Episode 2 Part 2: The Impact of Uruguay and Cuba on Two Master Musicians

"Welcomed conversations on Cub Creek. A podcast situated in the hollows along creek west of Nashville Tennessee. Good conversation the Smart Passion Interesting Peop-, and great. News. Good. Thanks for spending your time with us here on the creek. Welcome to part two of our conversation with Uruguay uruguayan-born jazz pianist in regained bony and cuban-american bassist Ron de la Vega as always I encourage you to go back and listen to part one I if you haven't already. Otherwise. We'll begin where I pulled the rug out from under you. Asking Ron tell us the story of teaching Eddie Van Halen to play the cello. Let's get started. On evaluating all night to say this line, you taught Eddie van Halen to play the cello. How does that happen? Obviously very will because if you've ever heard play cello. Nobody. Always the teacher. So all right. Well, even when it said here, well, I'll be honest with you. We did less learning cello than we did drinking. Okay. So how did you even get to the point where he says come to my house will cello We had a mutual friend and he like I said at the apartment were co I co wrote with this guy for several years. I. Don't want to get into it. It was not a a Beautiful into a situation I. got you know basically everything was taken from me with everything. I put it into. Having written Simpson really hate to say but. It he was friends see they were friends in Eber become by when we're working on stuff and would actually blend some ideas. In might. Play a thing our forecasting we were doing at the time just kind come up with these things out he would put some in. So. I met him. You know briefly I'm I. Wouldn't say I could call them up and say, Hey, lescoe go you know whatever? But. Remember, we were going to his house one night and he was he said bring your cello I think everyone's too. You know so i. Brought my cello with me and by the way folks, is it the cello were? Remind people what kind of cello we're talking about. We're not talking about Suzuki Plywood show no to take Eddie van. HALEN's house will buy could've I'm not sure he would have minded. But the risk of taking this. No I took. This show I bought when I was age appropriate at one year of university fit they asked me to leave I bought it when I was a student here Place called burdens, violin shop in in Saint Louis. Missouri. They would cater to some of the schools they work the Saint Louis Symphony they worked with the Chicago symphony to they would actually do work for them. And they had certain instruments that they. Couldn't really prove who made them. This has a very bad fake trudy tag in it. It's not really a true cello. And they didn't want to go through all the paperwork thought this is not going to be one of the major challenges in the world, suck. Mr. For whatever gwen area, whatever. So they they would sell it to students at a reasonable rate that students sit starve whatever is definitely one of those. Take me to a meal please so. I was able to get there. It was a great deal You know I love it. I took it to his house and he wanted to learn how to play cello and. My friend was saying, you know he he likes all that Lula's crazy stuff employees. You know pull it out and play some stuff and I didn't he's just kind of. and. Then I thought that's not with the cello is a cello. llegado. Soul is the voice is b beautiful. You can do that stuff and I love it when it's done but that's not the main feature of its the human voice. And so I slowed down a sort of blowing stuff he goes. Yeah, that's that's what I like. Your he'd love the lush kind of Nado part of that. Very much. So we actually did some we did some code writing believe it or not I don't think I remember any of it. And I don't think he does either I brewing remember the night one night the first night. But. It was kind of he loved ambient. Soul swells and just the background stuff he loved texture and that's what he really wanted to do. That's interesting because when you think of at Van Halen and these ripping electric Solos, it kind of makes sense that he would love that 'cause the Yin Yang effect right very much so very much if we did and we kind of serve messing with that guy he. Put My name or Asaka using a good run is nobody wants to hear Ed, Van Halen even hail and doing. Anything besides when you know his crazy Qatar stuff didn't nobody want to seem like keyboard and he was actually a a a good keyword player any issue any picked up member that was that's what got us into trouble to begin with I. We he had something he wanted to play from is a song we bonded that first night we had talked before but that was the first time we really kind of became friends. And he said, I, WanNa play this song about the. But of one of his friends it committed suicide in any WanNa play this for me. It was like really deep on his heart and he wanted to connect. So I'm yeah school look for in house so we leave. The studio where they do all the reds. Go in the house and each room in the House that he would take me to looking for this cassette tape best back in the old days when they still cassette tapes, he was looking for each room in the house head. Either a keyboard or guitar leaning up against the wall with a bottle of generic vodka. Really like like low Bravo, you does what is what do you know you have to pay for that much money when you don't have to be that much money to get buzzed. Go cheap and he would every instrument every room we walked into interest. Or keyboard thing kind of. And put it down in Grad, the body was. Handed to me. Okay. You know. So after about the third fourth bedroom. I'm feeling. Pretty. Happy. Of Yeah, this is good. So we go downstairs So embarrassing Valerie. was kind of wearing A. What was a very is more of a sheer. Wasn't really like you know kind of look and I am a gentleman. I'm half. Cuban. Unfortunately. But I am a gentleman and I'm trying to look everywhere else. But there but I, it was just like a magnet. No. No No And I was like I. Knew I was turning red and she said excuse me second she leaves the room in keep talking because Bacon with this big wooly. SWITZER busted cover. and. And they both sort of laugh and she thought it was hilarious. She said. You've had some drinks because you're being a gentleman. She was in fact can I make you something to eat you know what you should have said you should've said had you had higher in vodka? I would have been. Last. Well. That that showed how they were as people, they were both very lovely people, but that was that was. A pretty amazing to that was that was my first night I it's like I didn't want to go back like. Ron You have a trio called amity three where you play primarily cello. Yes and when I was listening and looking through some of the videos, sometimes you play the cello liken. Upright Bass. PIZZICATO playing on it I've got a short clip of MD three here and not sure which one it is. But after we listen to this, I want you to describe kind of your band forest because i. think it really shows off use a cello player around Nashville, I think people know you I correct me if I'm wrong but I think we know you as a bass player especially because you're bass player who tends to be as good on electric as upright, which is not always the case. It does depend Nashville is a town does kind of pigeonhole you? There are some people that don't even know I play Bass. And there are some people who have no idea play cello. The. It's just been where I've been put in singles minds, right? Yeah. Well, this is your band amity three with you playing the cello. So, do you remember that that I'd take what can you tell us about that for before It's it's a group is a kind of unusual grouping of instruments. We have a classical guitar. Cello and drums set. which is Now, arbiters now saying less the most common bandon in Nashville but. It really is not as a very unusual combination. Yeah. what what I like about that band's guitar player is he has his masters in classical guitar, but he started off at Berkeley and did a lot of jazz and came steep from rock and roll early on. So he's got a a very broad picture of music. He's able to put a lot of things together and stylistically stay true to them. The drummer. I've played a gigs with him before I've done Jazz gigs with him before he is he's he's very studied was with how he plays drums. He's very disciplined in fact he has. His doctorate. In composition, he's also composer. This is a smart band. It's. You would think that I'm in it. Might change things. And I'm bringing the cello ended up that I'm doing melodic, and then I have to go to the base poor and that's what's kind of interesting renewal combination because it guitarist and I when I go to the melody, he's got to cover the the the base line as much as he can. So we we have to, we have to craft the music. So it it can flow from each person each person everybody in this band has to to. They've got a job they have to perform if one person doesn't make it. It falls far as part it falls apart. That's. Kind of fun to be in though because it's you don't feel. Even if you're not doing the Solo, you're not a backup player because of one person's off. Whole thing crashes. On all three of us is to fool shrill. All right. So Ron, you've got cello with Ya which is great We're going to hear another song by George and Ira Gershwin I think Howard Dietz was in on this song as well and correct me if I'm wrong. But I, believe it was first song in the musical. Okay. And not. Okay. But okay as in Katherine by Gertrude, Lawrence but who really made the song famous I don't really know that because I don't know Gertrude Lawrence. But I, know there are a lot of people that sung the song who are some of them that were the most famous you think. Sarah of organsied serve on. Ladders Gladys to this. That's probably A more famous yeah. Well. We've got Enrico Bony on piano and Ron de la Vega on cello plan someone to watch over me. A. At. Is a definition of classic. You hear that melody and who are some of the famous people that cut that thing Nancy Wilson Yeah. Did you say Sarah Von earlier? Probably Sign Jhansi Wilson. You had the quintessential cut on it. You guys sound great. When, you when you say von that reminds me of my teacher, I had also with the. Ray Brown but also Bob. Magnusson. Oh, yeah Oh my word, and we we became friends. And even though I was a student at this place, we would have these these different people coming in for class. What he's like is that interested in like not really We'll bring your cello in that day and what we would do we'd sneak off and and I would play we play duets of Bach whoever him on bass me on cello we would just spend like hours doing that while the seminars were going. Oh Went and also Bob was one of the longest lasting bass players with with. Buddy rich. In Washington DC actually right. Across the river in old. Town Alexandria called Kate's cellar pub and it was a very famous jazz room and the only time I saw Sarah von was in the basement there of Kate Seller Pumpkin when amazing. vocalist. I WANNA take a turn for just a moment i WanNa talk about politics and music for a moment I mean we are in a contentious election year here in the United States and arguably a culture war. And got me thinking you know music has played a role in this current culture war I think for good and not, and it got me thinking about the sixties and early seventies and how the Times affected music and how music affected the Times my question for both of you to jump in on thinking about the politics of Cuba, which are complicated and long. And South America which are. Equally complicated depending on what country we're talking about. How do you think politics and the particular culture of these countries have affected music there and in America and also for you guys. Did the political nature of this musical influence affect your life as musicians? In Uruguay we have. Some. Heavy moments in our history. Sure. Why don't the heavies ones in the modern history I was already out of there were you company? I was out was in Europe at that time. In the United States later. But In the sixties when I was there and I was working Tokyo nineteen, sixty five. The whole thing started to go down. That's why many musicians that we were leaving with music. We wanted to get out of there. I'm familiar with Chilean politics especially in the seventies and the military hunters and fascism is that what we're talking about? With your wife. Chilies in the West so sure. Kim. I I believe. That Promises started there and. There was A. High Trae was working in a pack also that time. And there was an intervention. Intervention of Central, Bank of Uruguay and the bank. I was working. And A lot of people were fired. And I have to be very proud to be the first one that I fought. They fired because I was making too much money. As as you know the back, it's about tobacco. Officer and they told me how much you're making six thousand dollars. Okay into which you're out goodbye and then there's No and I'm. Already. Right. Right. was doing good I music Scythian. CARE. Ron With Cuba, of course, you know we go back at least to Bay of Pigs we talk about certainly the Cuban missile crisis we talked about isolating Cuba. Post Kennedy Years and you can isolate isolated country without isolating culture, and of course, in your case, you had a built in because you had a Cuban dad, how do you think the politics of Cuba didn't have an effect on you personally within your family? Did it affect how you approach playing music with the Colt with that half of the culture in your life will be Yes again, I grew up in the United States so I can't speak directly to. The. Politics of COOBER. But my father was there. He he he quite honestly he was the the previous leader of Cuba was was Batista he he was this is this is second time being. Considered President or leader of the country. The first time he actually from what I understand breeding through history in some of the notes from the family was actually a pretty decent fellow. But I, think he became corrupt obviously when he came into his second time serving as the leader of the country, you know it was kind of bought and paid for by the mob. Who had all the? You know basically Cuba was at that time was a playground for the United States right and true Cubans who Should sit through Cubans Cubans it follows the the ideology of Hussein, not which was like the Big Cuban liberated. The nationalist side not sure what it was considered I don't know the terminology with that I, hate to sound completely. But just the whole thing was whole similar not was very much fought for the independence of Kula. Against Spain. And also against the United States he all he said very clearly. and this is maybe way beyond we need to talk about but he was. He loved the United States from the outside do not come in and try to take over us, which is kind of what United States seem to want to do. They WANNA turn Cuba and Cuba into the Rico. A playground they wouldn't keep de when my father and his family they were on the outs. They didn't believe in Batista's philosophies or life. And they were harassed all the time so they could not wait for. The Cuban Revolution. So they left before came about. So anything that's happened since then I can't speak that I know the truth to it because my family left prior to. Was Nineteen fifty-nine right exactly and they left before that because they could night it was it was I think it was forty six when they left but it was it was in the forties they could not wait for the change to happen because Batista, was was harassing the family. My family is actually a well to do family educated people education was huge to them. Everybody except for one of my aunts. Was a physician. My Dad was a physician mom, a concert concert violinist his father was a physician. His brother was a psychoanalyst. So he had his his medical degree and his PhD in. Psychology? His his my uncle, his brother but Esto was a engineer and worked actually on some of the Apollo stuff. Pretty amazing stuff that happened my my One of my aunts tick Loria was a professor of language at the University of Miami had her doctorate in in language in in foreign languages and taught that they're the only one that didn't have anything more than a masters. When they had the mashes was media Maria and she spent her life working with special needs children do they all leave cube our at around the same time with gas? What year? Are you think? Forty, six nearly forty you know it was in the mid to late forty sailors show. Did Kuban American politics play out in the home in Illinois? Yes Very. Much. So my father was free outspoken he was. I hate to bring all this up to the whole world is watching but you asked my father was not anti Castro which was a pretty heavy burden was kind of the opposite of what we know of American. Transplants from hoover, right right and as my father put it, you know you decide for yourself. He never told me how to think he always said you know the the ability to speak two languages and listened to broadcasts of news around the world, and in that you'll be able to assimilate. Some faction of truth that you can kind of put together. He didn't live under Castro but he saw the Castro was holding up what say T- believed in and cashew was BAFTA begins to wall when United States wanted to basically make a Puerto Rico and he didn't want that he wanted them to be free and he couldn't get help from the United States she got embargo. So he went to the only place that we give him money which was Russia and it became a communist situation was the precursor to what we saw. So. Did I guess one of my questions is did the politics of Cuba and America and within your own family did that inform your music at all? was there ever a either a? Nationalistic feel with you with Cuba's culture music or was it I hate to say it this way more pure love of of that music. As a younger person, it was more the pure love of music. As a mature. And more about more about it and search understanding things and try to get honesty in you know all this stuff about fake news and everything. You you've gotta listen to so many things to get the reality. Did it in in the end it did that politics inform your music or or was that really separate? No I, it became that. It did definitely game later on became their you started to. Get into the music. Is More deeply to investigate wadis all about exactly. That's what happened to me with understanding of the politics and culture came after the love of music is the point he happened to me the same thing with the music of my country that are the beginning because it was a jazz musician Iran kind of pay attention to who is in has the chance but the years the maturity you. achieve. In the years of experience plane and going back say ways sick. Let's see what he's in that. In there is treasure. They're the same thing like the treasurer in the clue Riester and other Cuban. Music Remix. Not. Don't understand or not. I don't know the particular politics of Uruguay at the time I am familiar with politics Chile of course, on the west side and the understanding of Gustavo Pinochet Yeah and Salvador. Allende being assassinated, which we pretty sure CIA was involved in his nation. And my dad was actually a an election observer during the Plebiscite Against Pinochet and I was down there. So I understand the fastest of South America I'd know the history of Argentina and. kind of the fastest Nazih Scape was Uruguay. Of that was at separate no Argentina and Brazil. Brazil lot. They have a lot of Germans in. Brazil. But again, going back to the CIA. was in Uruguay to. In. The Seventy S and we did you know that at the time of music, I. was in Europe at a time but when the Movement of Tomorrow's the. Revolutionary, moment in Uruguay see as. Somebody there to teach torture massage to the police euro sounds like a South American fascism during the seventies was American, inspired which. was honestly part of my question about politics and music with. with Cuba and South America for you at the time in Reiki back to you did the politics of the time realizing that you already traveling the the world playing jazz clubs in different places did the politics of Uruguay or South American general inform your music at all or was that something that you purposely separated? Well, I was at that time we didn't have. The DVD and the Internet we didn't have the. Information That we have today. Hey. It was just. I. My Mother Used To Send Me Glimpse newspaper cleats, and we were learn sometimes watching TV. But let's say I was in Denmark. What I WANNA watch TV or anything. Standard. Thing. So I was kind of separator with the world reality for. Awhile. You don't chilly at the time. There was a during the time of the the junta where Augusta Pinochet took over. There was a very well known I think people would probably call him the woody Guthrie Slash Commercial John Denver of the time maybe of Chile Victor Berra was his name and he ultimately was like so many entertainers and political activists. publicly. Well he he has hands cut off by the junta in I think in the soccer stadium Santiago as a cruel and graphic portrayal of power to say, we have basically the voice of Chile and we can take power over him and we cut his hands off and when I visited Chile, there were on literal donkey cart selling fruit and small five by photos of Victor Harris was still a little bit of an underground thing. This might put you on the spot. was there a musician or was there a song in Uruguay? That was a counterculture song or a several I mean I don't know any of those but there were. Movements. Musical moments of protest who was who were playing those songs I mean what type of John Are we talking about? Like a folklore mostly, let's put it this way there. There was a singer Colin Frizzell Sita Rosa was like the Johnny cash of your wife. Way And he was actually forbidden to sing by the Military John Tova is think publicly he will subside went to Spain and went to Mexico to. At that, what year we talking about that seventy s seventy at that point you were traveling. All right. One last question on this topic, balancing music and entertainment and social action is a difficult one especially now is impossible. It's almost impossible because on one hand as a musician of course, you realize that your audience is made up of all religions and political persuasions, cultural persuasions, and you don't want to alienate your fan base music business is hard enough but at the same time I this is my personal opinion. I think the idea that musicians because they are entertainers should quote unquote just entertain and not speak to social political topic hand is is wrong and I think we have a deep history to prove that point in this country that music and singers and songs. In parallel with politics moves the conversation long. So I, guess what role do you guys think having been musicians for all your lives? What role does music play in moving the conversation? Or should we shot up in his player music? In the United States, we have a rich history of folk music speaking about the injustices. Things that are going on. I'm sorry if you take that away from artists to be able to speak and sing. or say their minds speak their mind it's not fair. Your point is just because we entertainers that does not mean we traded in our ability to make a statement, hell no excuse me for being too good answer. No I'm sorry. You don't have to agree with the artist that you listen to. You might like the artist but not care for their message. That's fine too. But the artist has I think every. Right and more so has an obligation to. About the obligation I'm sure there's an obligation as a person to speak your mind. And say what you're thinking and if people agree with it great, they can skip your CD skip your record neil days. Nowadays, you have remote controls as pretty. Amazing. You can actually change the channel. You don't want to hear it. You don't have to you don't have to hear it and you know people are so offended by people speak in their mind I've a particular point of view. You can obviously tell where I lean. But if you shut down the other side because you don't agree with it I, don't care where your views. If you shut down the other side, you're as bad as the other person to. I'm sorry you have to listen if you if you put it out, you have to be able to listen to it also good point. I have no problem. I've got people all over my facebook that i. you know I seem posting stuff I complete like cringe. Things that they say. But they have the right to say I can't tell them to not say don't believe that whatever I don't have that right they have every right to say that I listened to the things that I completely disagree with because in there somewhere. I'm going to be able to listen and learn something. That hopefully, we can bring us closer together. So we can maybe start understand and get rid of this complete polar opposites rat at right now is ridiculous. So is your point that even though we know music is the thing that brings us together I think that's been proven time and time again decade and decade again, if it's a thing that brings us together, it doesn't mean that it needs to be this neutral vanilla no pointless entertainment. Is One of the things that we do here from time to time especially lately is just senior damn songs just cleared him. So yeah, we don't want to be preached to. I understand that obviously I have particular bent oranges well. But even if I had the opposite political bent than I have, I would still be supportive of musicians. Being the catalyst because we talk all the time we're fine by saying music is the soundtrack of life. We throw that out a lot. If it is the soundtrack of life, it's not just the soundtrack of a party. It's not just the soundtrack of a wedding. It is the soundtrack of turmoil as well, and we have to be able to speak it, and I worry that younger musicians because we because I'd say we not. I think younger musicians are driven by digital numbers, likes shares, whatever other category of that. There is the tendency I think for younger musicians is to not ruffle feathers with their music and I worry that we lose something as artists when we don't speak through music for the Times. I'm sorry. I. Don't WanNa step on. Right Steve but there's there's two different things we're talking about. With that. You're GonNa, young artist stating the peace of mind sitting with her thinking, and then basically cutting their a cutting their chances on getting anything publicly done. They're not established enough to to say exactly what they it is dangerous roll the dice it's evac dangerous roll the dice especially for an up and coming artists that has the ability that can go on beyond. But if they say something that some people don't agree with they're GONNA get. Shut down before they ever have a beginning. Do you think that's different from the sixties? No the sixties and the seventies well I guess part of it is what one of my thoughts is sixties and the seventies the what we considered commercial music in some respects was protest music I. Wonder if you could get away with that easier in the sixties and seventies, then you could now I don't think you can do it now though no, I, think you're right I was the case different today's very different. Everything is different. Today us. You think there's different pressure on musicians today. A. Navy any proficient in terms of not alienating people. We are all divided. Well. And if you lean way you're put into a category Humana e you know I it just it takes over your instantly. It's like I was saying earlier not the same thing but. You know Nashville's Pigeonhole town people don't know that I play cello people who I you know people. Usually aggregated easily you don't play Tangos or you do play Tangos you know. But the thing is you get separated and everything is everything's decided for you at that point by where you say you know and people hugh that you know. He was liberal with this so That's all he can do. Oh. He was right wing. People, you know people can be a mixture. We have the opportunity as artists though `specially music to be able to bridge that divide I think and maybe like you said, the word obligations pretty important Oh. So folks if you're listening no matter if you are a conservative or liberal or whatever your cultural bent is is you can't listen to. Rondo Vega play the upright bass cello and enrico bone play the keys and feel peaceful in a safe place. Then we got other problems. So I think although one of the expectations of music is that we move culture along the other thing about music is that we it's a sav we have a place of healing too. So hopefully listening to these. Master Musicians help you heal and so back to the music. Now as master musicians like yourselves, you can mel different styles and make it sound effortless that to me is one of the mark of a master musician is being able to do the dance that everybody else would go. Oh, that sounds easy inside your head you're going you have no idea right? You guys are able to do that in Rica. We had a discussion you know some months ago about the. First few pieces you learned as a young player and you talked about learning them straight off the sheet music right and then you learn to modify those pieces. As you became a better player. There were two songs I. Remember you talking about one was moon glow and the other was Laura. What I'd love you to do for the moment is, can you show us both songs I kinda how you learned in that I'm scared to death I want people to accept. Often, sheet music, and now I'm going to let it roll guy. Going to I sure this is a learn it. Handed down, read it perfectly, and that's more or less way played and they say, Hey, you have good conditions do. At the base you were horrible. But you didn't move us. So move us. Yes how is? Slow Laura. Sounds good. You'll the that's beautiful and you know the difference between those N. B. Examples that I hear is the difference between a sixteen year old trying to gain entry to the hot club in at least be accepted just the minimum and then the B section I heard was sixteen years later. The. Played in these blue collar jazz clubs across the world for you know dealing with hours and hours of playing the. Being. Musician whose in San Jose in there were just clubs but I also play in other. Have anything to. Adjust so I had to play everything. Row Control Tropical Music. Commercials, Disco Life Experience Informs conned the ability to take a song from its basic perfect nece to something that's musical. Right? You don't learn to play that way first time how? Ron Can. Can You let our listeners in on at least from a base perspective and I know we have our Mike kind of semi setup for your vocal but that's okay. Feel free to pick up the base at least respect. What makes Music Kuban is a groove as melody isn't no choice if you were take a baseline or groove and make it more Cuban, the not. The chain sound like explanation. Wise. In most of the music that is Cuban the base in the count one, two, three, four, four is the one for the base for is the one. Decca. To Canada to whom as four is the one of the accent it's on the accent is worthy. Chord changes is on the last beat of the measure before the next. A. One. Is Always on the. Essex. Show us a line maybe play us a baseline where it's not the accent isn't there on that four and then show us how you would transform it. So it's like one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. Four So as always on the four. Everything. One Oh four is always on the fours is what leads you in to the two next and obviously that's true. Even carrying let's say in a trio with A. Say you're playing with a trio with a singer Piano Bass player you don't have a percussion Blair does he come that and it still has to be that accent? Yes. So let's be there. And you have to have A. Case to the Peon is going. Goes with the cloudy. So. Do you think it's fair to say that Cuban music? Maybe South, American music to is based I in rhythm. Is that a fair thing or no? Very much so very much. So yeah, it's it's it's because what sets it apart it it well, I can't say that apart because a lot of countries in there are several. A. Lot of American music is influenced by African. African influence is still there in Uruguay. We have what is called Candy. Is there a reason? Comes from Africa and it was modified in the way. That it's three different types of drums. Their plane different things one is doing a repeat. Another the piano in all of them they have. Their function one is free doing luck improvisation but the other ones they do what is called the panel has to be repeated all the time. It's called Road Dombi. Like it's very difficult to show it in the piano but. Guinness where the accent, right? And that's very reminiscent of the Clavier was talking the cloth is inner. Stick, it to the tech deck deck deck is built into that and your arrive. Ako in the streets like fifty, sixty, seventy people playing in what is called the court. And they going carnival. They were is unbelievable. You have to leave it. And you experience to talk about it. It is just percussion no other instruments that's got to be a moving sounds many people unbelievable before we start wrapping up, you had mentioned earlier on to about a very influential piano player in your life. Especially, that got us some of those first jobs overseas. who was that why was the influential? Khokhlov. I told you about Horace Bar one of the piano players that influenced me. But the other one was. Hunting. Hampton. Hose he Hampton Hawes right Ha wes correct and he had a trio. Couple of albums that we. Just kill the albums of recently so much. and. He was from Compton California. Playing in the West most of the time and you remember the first song that struck you. Billy boy bit. He also played. country. Sounds. Somebody loves me. Listen to record. Our record was it because that record was at the hot club, which was already such a cultural hotspot for you or what was it about that record that turned you on He's piano player, his swing, his wing part feeling. And In Spain when it was in nineteen, sixty eight, I was a group that I live Montevideo Nineteen sixty seven, but I wasn't that happy with a group. And I wanted to take another direction. And Luckily, they called me from adjust club called Whiskey Jazz. and. The Piano player. From Switzerland to take a couple of weeks off. And they call another player from Spain to sell for him but he couldn't do it that piano player was on Colorado's Caldero. He was a composer of very popular song, but also a great just be honest, but he couldn't do it in the I. have met him before. This kid from Uruguay. Plays Nice Jazz Send it. So, when they play these couple of weeks with it, unbelievable group. Of Sex of player named Pedro. To Rally In. One of the best ring sessions I ever play with. Eric Peter in base. From Salon Orland and peer we borys drummer from Germany power they worrying in Spain at a time. And when they call me I feel like a four layer, his bench, all the time, and they have just for. Okay it's your turn to in who me. So I went and I played it the besides Gruden. Pro-ali they like me or not play those two weeks and the next. Piano player was Hampton host. In in the following week after I, left. So I and I had the recalls. So I say I'm GonNa go and meet the guy that it was. One of my best influences I. Sat next to the Piano Win early, Nixon? Piano and start looking at all what he was doing and of course I. Introduced Myself. We became France he went to listen to me play. He was so humble that He asked me can you tell me a couple of things what you do here and there? So he is fine. said. Can you explain to me where you doing this? Song like. was doing and he liked that. So explain that to him, we can France and he told me. When I told him there I was. Thinking of leaving this group and the Enron organizers told you where were you that Spain? And he's a I'm GonNa give you a hand. And later on months later, I receive a letter from these impresario singer from easily. say your friend. Hunt House recommend the you and I wanNA form a group to play in the fifty violent and Dev's So I sent my two friends from Uruguay Bass and drums and Sexual. Player from Argentina. There was a very good friend of mine. And we a trumpet player from Italy reformed acquainted. And that was. Cambridge. Ron So. Enrica head Hampton Hawes you've played with Benny Goodman you play Nancy Griffith storied a member of the Blue Moon Orchestra. and. Many others who do you point to as a people that you looked up to that actually help you. Were the first people mentioned was ray brown through base teacher Noah. And not just lose term I mean that's that's like he you know he mentioned a lot of us say least everybody when we knew Ray Brown was committed. No no, that's the top. But I'll I'll never forget you know enrico was saying one of the things. We had times we had her studio time when we got to play our stuff, get to mixture stuff and Ray Brown walked in. After we hit, we were doing stuff that I was involved with and he he went he's planning based on this aisle looking around the room and I'm thinking Oh shit I don't I don't WanNa say anything because it's like I don't want this. To. Definitely, one of one way I was thinking was like, Oh, I wouldn't be admonished right here you know. And I kind of sit back and a couple of guys pushed up. You know Karl. Sure. It was wonderful. Piano player was reverted a bunch of people. He called me Jive Towfighi. Try to see we easy way out sometimes he goes come on Dr Come on you did it. Pushes me up. It's like. Goose important moment though I really didn't like being pushed to the front of a train your strapped onto a train when ninety. Oh. We don't be here. Buddy Oh. Yeah. Just pushed me off the cliff. There we go. But he kind of you know did that and raise like. Some Sun if you played it, you own it. You say that is me. And I thought well, I'm going to see and you're gonna go that sucked I. knew it was coming next. You know that was the punchline oil waiting for the. Yeah. That was me he said some nice playing. Very nice. In the left the room I'm sitting here going out of Allah. Melting. Can ride on this for a little while all that was kind of a nice little pat on the back to say the least you know that was one of the Times that I hit uplifting question again back to your question I got cidre because that was no that was mind right away. I I mean guys. All three of us you as a bass player in us a piano player me as a songwriter. We've been lucky enough to have started our passion early and have adults in our lives that were. Big influences and actually helped us. So one of the obligations to having that luck is to pass it along. You know these are vastly different times from coming musicians. I mean the digital world alone and the changes of the debt has brought in making money making your name having gigs, playing live monetize in your art. It's a different ball game now than it was when. I was coming up and you guys were coming up. So with that in mind one of the things I want my listeners to know I mean we are sitting with too virtuosic musicians, not only from a technical standpoint, but from a having lived at standpoint and that. History is important. So I want to try to put you guys on the spot to give your best advice to that young player out there who is seriously devoted to making music with his or her life. What are some of your best pieces of advice either creative or business wise that you can give knowing what young people are up against now in ricky wanted. first of all for any musician I would advise forget about these little toys. Technology. Yeah. Appropriate about those. Those are when you grow up go to a piano is all this out of tune doesn't matter Goto Nice Piano. Or Bad. Piano. The Star without instrument that is tremendous. The basic of all music you have melody. Harmony, you have percussion too because you. Don't let technology of fool you into not starting with the basics that kind of part of one rice right starved from Sierra, L. and go slowly. Of course, you're going to get bored like guy. De. And I got bored and I told my mother after six years a piano sell that instrument I don't want it. But my mother saying you'll be pack and I did so find the passion I right? If you're pressuring, he's there. Mine wasn't at seeks. So what's your advice to that musician I'm thinking about a teenager or maybe a late teenager young adult who honestly is one of us. Quote Unquote one of us, but is really struggling to keep going what's that Lily Pad you can throw out to go keep going find him. Oh, the. Role. emburey instrument that's what I did with or silver hunting hose. Devour the records great word devour their rakers try to find style you're comfortable with. His Jess. Stroke. unrolled. Whatever. Bad Copy Solos know that you need to copy to. Copy. Later, and do the same thing. That copy understand what they're due to see worry leads you to run. What would you say to? Again we're talking about I'm thinking about the kid who is again one of US quote unquote who is bitten by the bug lifelong but with today's obstacles whether it's technology or fact now, especially in coded times playing live monetize ing music that whole argument that says you know why? Would you do this? What's what's your piece of advice for that kid? I will go back to a beginner when people ask me all the time. I you know I want to start my kid learning music. What would you recommend and I recommended exactly what you were saying it is the piano. The Piano teaches you melody harmony, get the Dick Sturdy and you have the rhythm. So, one of the things I'm hearing from both of you obviously is get to know and instrument your instrument from a technical standpoint learning devoured. As you said Enrica. Let me ask you this Ron from a emotional creative head space. There are a lot of reasons not to be an artist. There are more reasons not to be an artist than to be an artist unfortunately when young people that are listening to this run into that as they inevitably will the many reasons not to do it what's your antidote to that? You don't give up. If you're feeling something you need to share that with others. It, you know it's that strong and you it'll be that strong in someone someone will understand will receive it and understand it in get it. You may not become a huge international success. you mentioned Nancy Griffith she had a kind of a small a medium size. Following shared a built in audience always but she reached those people it was a built-in. Any album she put out was going to be devoured as you as a love that term by the way was going to be listened to an stood and people would love it. So you're not headlining. You're you're not don't measure yourself by the all Oh desk. The biggest problem I think people have is when you compare you're GONNA always lose view be you. Also we're going back to the piano after you piano and you understand what about you can become a trumpet player but you're GonNa have unbelievable advantage because you started there right? Because you understand the harmony, the rhythms everything you understand all that's exactly it. That's why I say any beginner in music needs to begin with piano. I interesting. Well, this has been an incredible conversation, which is what conversations on Cub Creek is supposed to be about Thank you both for joining me. Great Music Tonight Great Perspectives Ron where can people find you I? Know you have a new facebook music page Ron de la Vega Music yes. So you can find Ron de la Vega on facebook at Ron Da Veiga music. I Know Enrica you're not all over the socials I have found a few youtube. Videos of you, but I won't let people know that there is a facebook page for the conversations on Cub Greek same name and I'm going to be posting a behind the scenes, pictures and videos not only tonight but both these guys storied career. So if you WANNA learn more about Enrica, bony make sure you go over to conversations on cub. Creek. facebook page as well as Ron Dela Vega, and you can go to Ron facebook page Rondo Vega music can can elsa say police please look up in Reiki deboning the man is incredible. Well, the has you both in the same room playing music together I have to say there's a reason why this went from one episode episode that maybe three parts. In. Light is a play with him. Well it's been an absolute joy for me guys, and we we can't end before hearing another song. This last song I think is about Bossa Nova the dates back. Maybe nineteen, sixty, five we're talking about gentle rain. Can you tell us a little bit about General Rain in? Nineteen, sixty, five riders that. I know it was written by Reese Bowman far and sighing and playbay Lotta people. Where did you first learn? It knows So it's one of those songs that you just grow up. No, he's like you're playing jazz and these have our girl name Corcovado. It's a standard so. We're going to just do. It yeah. I don't know why it was always there. Here's Enrica Bony on piano and Ron de la Vega on Bass. Plan Gentle rain. in. I. Hope you've enjoyed this time with Ron and wreak as much as I. I'll tell you a little secret. I could not let our time together. Without, getting a chance to sing. So hang on I've got a surprise for. If. You have any topics you'd like us to build a conversation around dropped by the conversations country facebook's. And while you're there looking through show notes and behind the scenes pictures. Me a line with your thoughts. If, you enjoyed your time with us on the creek. Please leave a five star rating and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts. Thank. Little drama. We. 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Margaret Qualley - Fosse/Verdon & Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

Awards Chatter

56:28 min | 1 year ago

Margaret Qualley - Fosse/Verdon & Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

"Hi everyone and thank you for tuning into to the two hundred ninety six episode of awards chatter. The hollywood reporter's awards podcast. I'm the host scott feinberg and my guest today is one of the top up and coming actresses in the business tennis within one week this summer she received an emmy nomination for best supporting actress in a limited series or tv movie for her portrayal of an ranking the great dancer her one time romantic partner of bob fosse in the f._x. Limited series fussy verdon and she attended the hollywood premiere of quentin tarantino's film once upon a time in hollywood in which she plays pussycat a fictional member of the manson family opposite brad pitt and four which has garnered rave reviews the beautiful and talented balloted margaret qualley over the course of our conversation at the officers of the hollywood reporter the twenty four year old daughter of the actress andie macdowell reflects on her extensive background brown in dense and why she walked away from her pursuit of a career as a ballerina tried modeling and then walked away from that as well how she wound up trying and falling. I'm in love with acting the last thing she ever imagined herself doing how her early roles on the tv series the leftovers from two thousand fourteen th or two thousand seventeen in a two thousand sixteen spike jones directed for kenzo world perfume and in films such as the two thousand sixteen blockbuster the nice guys and the two thousand seventeen indie novitiate pave the way for her incredible two thousand nineteen plus much more so without further ado. Let's go to that conversation margaret. Thanks for joining us good to have you. We always begin with just a few basics. Where were you born and raised in wooded. Your folks do for a living thing. I think you may have in more interesting than some as far as that. I don't know about that. <hes> they give you having me. I was born in montana in missoula woah or i grew up like an hour outside will always called nine mile at first. You said one of my parents. My mom is an actress a very talented actress when version out <hes> andy mcdowell and my dad paul qualley is <hes> he's got a kind of unconventional job but he basically build houses houses by himself over the course of what's potentially five or so years because he does it by himself <hes> and makes these really beautiful beautiful homes yeah yeah so. I guess because of what you've ended up doing. I have to ask like growing up. Did you or your siblings. Was it sort of clear from the beginning that you had an interest in following in your mom's footsteps in a way or was that sometimes kids want to do anything but what their parents do you know. Where did you fall on that well. I grew up dancing and <hes> it was really serious about dance and my sister dances. Well and i didn't really have any interest in acting when i was a kid because the only thing that i really liked onset was craft service. We didn't have that much candy in the household now raid their candy in which sets where you on cauti- the one i remember the most. I actually don't know what movie it was four. We went to this island on the coast of italy really and that was really cool. It's a place called pana ray. I don't even know if i'm pronouncing it right but it was a on active volcano that i stayed there for two months and i was really little and i they just kind of wandered around because it was very safe and collected tile and i'm like named all the rocks in the ocean because i didn't have yeah you know like growing up. Were you aware of the fact that this was the sort of not only was this like mom's job when she was doing it. At a high level. She was well known people were seeing. We're using our movies. We didn't really grow up watching movies because it was kind of knows like your mom's. Tom zones kissing another doing strange stuff. We didn't really watch a lot of movies when we were little and then you know obviously when he got older a watcher sure she's obviously so so remarkable talented and all that we know she was just my mom was. I was really fortunate in in that regard. I think that was intentional for her. Are you know to have this be raised in north carolina and have just pretty simple childhood. I feel really privileged so one way did it was very important question. Why why did serve margaret become margaret called. Oh i grew up san mortgage for sure yeah and when he calls me murderer i feel like they've known me for a long time. It makes me like a little kid but basically what happened. Was i moved to new york when i was sixteen and they're really no. Let's say sarah or margin then i looked around the room and there's three pairs and migrate and i was like okay margaret it is i feel like an old woman waist my old woman name gertrude yeah yeah okay so i wanna come back to the dancing because there's sort of that was a big part for your life yeah and it continues to show up in the work once in a while. So why do you think initially just even as a little kid. You were drawn to that. I don't know if i can really express it properly but i i just love it. I get glasses morning. It makes me get out of my head and i love the music and i love just. It just makes me very very a happy and i think that's what it was for me. Initially and then eventually i got into ballet which is obviously amazing as well but i think once i started doing that i started did forgetting what i loved about dancing in the first place and it became more about just trying to be perfect and went off to boarding school for ballet and i was really doing it a lot. <hes> you know like six to eight hours a day and all that kind of stuff north carolina yes. Yes i think like maybe people's only reference point might be black swan tillerson leaning like how it is and so in your case instead of going off to a normal high school where you went off your fourteen. It's very intense intense yeah. It was pretty intense so tell me if you can league. Let's talk about where that turning point is as far as just to show how advanced you got with the and then why you walked away 'cause let's what did you do the summer before your junior year starting from eleven or so would go off every summer and go to like a ballet intensive. I've for six to seven weeks and so yeah it was. It was pretty much your whole life at that point but i did love it and i'm so lucky that i had that experience really so so so lucky okay but yeah so i was in new york doing american ballet theatre summer intensive is potentially into an apprenticeship north carolina dance theatre and drop out of high school and start doing online. Thank losses for my junior year and you were offered a practice ship. Yes people that you really really looked up to john. Thune patricia mcbride these the two incredible incredible dancers and i think a part of me was like got something that i've been working for for a really long time and then had a moment of is this and what i actually want is i want to do with the rest of my life and i heard there may have been an b._s. Out there as well so. I don't know if this is you might say like what yeah but you're basically having to do. Six days a week of dance and then there's the other day of the week and you were still choosing to do dance classes that you didn't have to do and there's something with a woman in a wheelchair that's true. It's very dramatic. There is actually a moment where you're like. Fuck this yeah well so yeah okay so i was studying during the six day week kind of thing and then on a sunday i would go two steps on broadway. I don't know if you're familiar but it's a pretty incredible place because you have some of the best answers in the world. You know better than i would've been me. No principles from new york city ballet american ballet alley theatre taking classes these classes and then you also have people that could be your grandma taking these classes and it's an awesome environment because of that i think but i was in my second class on a sunday and there was a woman in a wheelchair taking the same class that i was taking and she was having the time of her life you know and listening to music and enjoying doing herself and smiling so big and i was like wow this is amazing. She's not going to get anything out of this class other than just enjoying herself. She's not going to be a dancer or anything like that and i was pretty unhappy at that particular moment and realized that i was there for all the wrong reasons and that. I just wanted to be better on monday than i was saturday and were you trying to prove. I don't know i i just wanted to be perfect which i'll never we for the action which obviously not attainable of course yeah and i think that's something that's gratifying about. Acting is that you know not being perfect being messy and making those mistakes and being human is actually the best part on messy things all the mistakes stakes are people love and ultimately i think having the ability to lose control is actually something that people are striving towards within acting so it's been difficult thing for me. Wrap my head around at first for sure but we'll let's connect the dots. I mean so you are done at that. Class was literally the end it was. I walked out midway why certain crying and then walked out and didn't go back and i took <hes> the next time i dance was actually five years later for spike jones for that kenzo it okay so you at the time that this break happens. You're in new york. Your family is not and they as far as they know. This is is what you are dead set on doing so yeah. When how did you share the news that this was not going to be where you're going to pursue anymore. And what was the game plan at that point yeah. It weird moment for sugar. I <hes> so my dad was already. I left home at fourteen. My dad moved to panama. My mom was off working. My brother and sister were in college and i didn't really know what exactly it was i was going to do there wasn't really <hes> the north carolina. It seems strange to go back to north carolina when no one was there and i didn't really want to and i really fall in love with new york and <hes> so i i wrote my mom along email. Hey these feelings about dance. This is what i want to quit. I don't know what i wanna do but i can get this job. Modeling not meant for me but i <hes> was able to make a little bit of money remodeling and and that started already when you were just doing dance all very quick. I was hustling. I've secured a potential opportunity <hes> them to make money here in new york and i found a school where i could work and go to school at the same time and i've reached out to them and mapped it all out so it was really hard to say no to the plan you know and it would be the most stress free presentation tation of of the potential future and <hes> i was really fortunate that both of my parents understood in supported me well that brings us to the remodeling chapter which also it seems like it was again intense but this was not a long amount of time. It was like five months or something yeah maybe even shorter. It wasn't too intense intense for me just because i think i knew it wasn't i wanted to do but it was a great way to make a little bit of money and travel and have an excuse to say new york okay so i what i don't get and maybe it's because i'm never doing something at that higher level as what you're doing with dancer but like you just start modeling and and within that short period that you're doing it new york fashion week in twenty eleven paris fashion week in two thousand twelve who are some of the people you are modeling for. I was really lucky but but i think honestly you got just address nepotism in that field l._a. My mom was a really big model and i think if i'm being honest that's got to play a huge part in the reason why i was able to work in the capacity that i was able to work in that small duration of time well her most associated thing is loria right sure yeah so but this is like valentino who are some of the places you were actually wearing their stuff on runways. I did one valentino show anything nca- three chanel shows and then i like about it is it just i guess with dance. You are doing something yeah and here you're sort of. I really yeah. I really like working like i really having seen coin teeth into really like dances show rewarding because it's physical too you know you push yourself and it's it's kind of this this immediate result in acting definitely not like i'll never walk away from sat and be like wow i killed it. I'm gonna walk away feeling super insecure in going through all the things that i should have done but that said there's still work to be done around it and and someone that likes to do that. I'm going to read you back another it quote that came across the modeling period just to give because again. I think probably a lot of models. We're seeing if i wanna be models or whatever who are saying like that. That must've been hard to walk away from what could be the reason here. Was i mean one thing you're saying is quote with modeling. There's nothing to work on other than losing weight. I definitely had editing disorder close club. Okay here. We go yeah. <hes> this is true i think so i quit dancing and and i started modeling and i was living alone new york and i didn't really know anyone in new york. I didn't know anyone at all actually and the only thing i really had in my life at the moment was modeling in that was not something that was filling me up in any sort of way and i think i came from a very competitive background with dancing and i translated that into modeling which didn't make for a very healthy lifestyle and i definitely did you recognize somebody say to you like like this is just not worth it. <hes> i was alone for a while so i went to visit my sister for thanksgiving my sister raynsford and the very talented musician. Just go ahead and throw that in there and she's an actress. She's my best friend. In the whole world and prison angel anyway. I went to go visit her and she was. I saw her face <hes> super skinny at the time and she was really worried about me and i kind of realized i think it just caught up to me and that that was a big incentive for me to stop because it just wasn't worth it for me and like having a profession that is strictly based off of your appearances. It's just not healthy for me. Pro anyone anyone really yeah and i guess so. It was just fortuitous that around that exact same time. I'm probably at the same school you were referring to earlier. You wind up in an improv class. I was actually not at that school. It was someone that went to that school. Though oh i started dating someone and he wanted to bring me to an acting class and i was a little bit reluctant because sort of what you're saying earlier i didn't anticipate following my my mother's footsteps and i went to this acting class an improv class and i just love it so much i just had so many feelings can't do that too. That's a really good way to put it. I haven't really thought about it like that. Yeah you can't do anything wrong and so i fell in love with it and i was like oh jeez. This is what i really want to do. So i'm gonna try. My hardest determined detroit. Make that happen and so what steps do you take it up. Point being like this very responsible type person. I was like okay well. I will try to go to a good school so i went to rod for the summer and studied shakespeare and then i went to los angeles for bit. My sister was there. My mom was here at the time and i'm making of all this after a lifetime of you to do with this. She was really supportive and i'm really grateful for that and my sister is well because she's an actress and in she helped me so much. She's the person that has run every audition with me to date and she'll you know when i'm going on tape. She'll be the person that they could no. Let's do it a couple more times than its economy. Lucky stars about her every single day so this may be very random one but i came across something that i've got ask you because it sounds like something out of victorian england or something you and your sister in two thousand eleven major debuts god at all day the debutante ball in paris. We did both of those. I've always heard about it. I don't even know what that means. I don't really go be honest. I don't know why either of us were invited. Where the least <hes> it's actually just a bunch of real royalty like literal royalty. Go to this ball in paris and raining. I both grew up in north carolina and <hes> this is the thing in the movies. It's like now. Go get married right right yeah yeah <hes> but having both grown up in a really small town we both were invited to go to paris to fancy ball absolutely after modeling over those before that was i think justice i i it's about about the ten thousand eleven so it might have been in the would have been during before modern yeah yeah but anyway that was just a bigger so it seems like i don't know if this was the same person you mentioned that you were dating when you got into improv but now you're dating some another actor and go to visit a set and suddenly you first screen role. Oh yes i use the first person i've ever dated and yes i visited him onset of paolo alto and coppola directing james franco's stories yes exactly and g._o._p. So talented and cool and we became friends and she asked me if i wanted to just do a real small part in her movie and jose absolutely i do this was the girl you're playing who i remember seeing this telluride that year i guess takes away the attention of this older sire coach james franko from emma. Emma roberts also shouldn't be involved with right right. But how did you even know how to act for a camera. You'd never acted for a camera before well. Luckily i didn't really have have to do too much. I just play soccer and then i kind of like him. Teary eyed while james franco consoles me and that's that's it but yes she was generous generous in giving me that opportunity because i definitely didn't know what i was doing and as a result of that suddenly now you're on more radars it just a coincidence that probably right around the same time you get a call about a show called the leftovers yeah. I know those are related but i'm grateful. Regardless listened yes i. The leftovers was my first job in one of my first really big auditions and the super fortunate to do that to to familiarize people if they haven't seen leftovers on h._b._o. This was you're basically playing the daughter of just throws characters. Mayor who is got this family and you daughter obviously understandably troubled by the fact that two percent of the world's population has decided casual. You know there's gonna have an effect on the kid but this was from two thousand fourteen twenty seventeen three seasons for you. I just did too but it was three seasons correct and and just explain the chronology here because i know that you did go off for a little while to n._y._u. Where's the time com yes so. I got the pilot for the leftovers and i was so excited and i had a blast peterberg directed it and he was kind of a warped idea of what working on that's like because making television show where we we use like peterberg does to takes tops and so fast and it was all hand held l. dollars a great so this is quick but it was really lucky that experience do because i was so nervous and it didn't really give me time to be nervous risk. I was just thrown out there so yeah i did. The pilot of the leftovers moved back to new york to do that and then i went to n._y._u. Right yeah i didn't know if it'd be picked up up and then it was and so i stopped going to school and continue doing the show show is shot in l._a. New york new york's first season and then the second season austin texas okay and how many months a year with the show shoot approximately a lot of your time. Maybe <hes> i think four months okay so you did because i mean it was during that run. I was wondering how you'd have time but that makes sense that it was during that run. Though a number of other things got going including looting the thing that probably in some ways like introduce you to a lot of people which would've been this spike jones cleberation that is very cool called mutant brain which was a bad for the perfume kenzo world that this hidden twenty sixteen. Can you just share how do do you know how he came to know about you and ask you addition. I i was scrolling around last night and not only saw the ad but the actual original iphone footage adage from the i. I guess the first time you met him is also online and you had it pretty. It looked like you had it pretty down from the first. Hey it's like crazy. Just i guess i didn't explain the key thing is like you're dancing like a mad person right. Dad's me you can count on the spike. Jones value was it from leftovers. I think he was just auditioning actors that had some sort of dance background and and i was in that group yeah i remember getting a call actually was the day of my audition asking. If i wanted to audition for spectrums for commercial that would involve dance dance center. He was like absolutely i do and the only thing that they told me about it was that i could potentially end up dancing like a tree and i was like okay sure they apartment at this time and maybe dance like a tree and i was like you got. It won't be practicing trees tree dance for the rest of this afternoon but i got there turns out. It wasn't really much of a tree dance. He gave me a pitch of the concept for the video and then he was like okay. Well <hes> would you mind if if i just put on the song and video tapes you while you just <hes> we use them improv and it was one of those moments where i was nervous but like if you don't commit and go hard it's going to be more embarrassing than if you you know if i did it. I think it would ultimately hate myself more so i went for it and it was middle middle winter too. I was wearing a lot of layers and a dancing is department for probably like thirty minutes until i'm just covered and just shouting when you like your right hand doesn't know what the vampire and i'm like jumping on his tables and just making a mockery three of myself and i leave covered in sweat and my agents call me and ask me how it went and i was like well my either got it or i will all the i will never work with things. I'm absolutely insane. One of the two either loved it or really hates me. Now i fortunately fortunately i didn't have to suffer for too long and so the next thing is you guys are at lincoln center in lake. Actually the dorothy chandler opera house in los angeles. Oh it looked okay. Okay yeah. Okay yeah all right so you're dorothy chandler. You're wearing a very elegant thing but i'm assuming it must have been adapted. It's the you can dance now because i was like or maybe not maybe it was. Just a regular is i think that <hes> umberto and carol who are the designers for are kenzo made it specifically for this so it was something that was pretty real easy to move on yeah yeah. Some people should go and it was like with c. As choreographer ryan having having jen yeah he's super talented and just the coolest guy actually took dance class this morning at his studio so really nice well okay. That was one of the things that was going on during the run of leftovers another thing is a movie that was very funny called the nice guys for shane black. It's you and into you know up and comers ryan gosling russell crowe how did you i read something about like showing up to audition for this and understandably finding that a little little bit intimidating. Oh yes oh very scared because gossiping people. I'm sure city like you know brad pitt or leo that must have been then just terrified but like i would think demographically ryan gosling might be more. Oh they're all are terrifying yeah. I can't speak in front of any of them. No but i did get two that audition and i did not sleep the night before and i also had made the mistake i think of staying open rewatching kiss kiss bang bang and all these amazing chain black movies. It's really further petrified myself and then they got the audition sleepless and nervous and ryan gosling sling opens the door to the casting office and i'm just like man i immediately feel my face is burning red and i'm like i'm touching it trying to cool down and filibustering and i didn't always remember i didn't find out 'til that morning but news going to be there and then i was like oh great and i heard something about mce rune. Yes yes everything that could have potentially uh-huh macrumors. I think i sat down the wrong chair. I talked about my dad for an hour to try to calm down a certain point. They're like okay well. Do you wanna go ahead and i was like oh you don't wanna hear about my dad and panama another hour and so- lake aac you remember what you have to do because just to let people know you were playing in this movie when you did land the part a teenager who was kidnapped because she's mistaken for porn-star basically true so how does one audition for such a role <hes> it was a pretty generic and and i knew them real well at this point rainy run with me a bond. She knew all the lines that was a very successful movie the and then but like i guess a big experience must have been in twenty seventeen to go to sundance with two movies vanishing of sydney hall which is maybe the lesser known of the two then novitiate which is a really good movie where it was the first film directed by this woman maggie bets and you're playing a young woman who is training to be a nun under the oversight of melissa leo who is even more terrifying in this than she was in the fighter and just like as a as the reverend mother just after vatican two goes into effect terrorizing these young nuns are young nuns and training maggie bet said she had already ready seen forty girls for the part and was ready to give up because she was just sick of the process and then decided are just one more and has described her meeting eating with u._s. Quote one of the more euphoric moments with my creative life. So why did you to click <hes>. I did just instantly instantly really feel connected to her and i had a such beautiful experience for me making that movie because she someone who's so intuitive and yes she correct kind of and like no one i've ever experienced before she's really sensitive and subtle and says a lot without having to explain herself very much and yeah. I love maggie. She's very very special. It was also it was the first time that i've worked with a pretty much all all females you know because it was a female director female dp female in every department had an field producers and then obviously entire female cast ah except for one priest because it takes a convent and you're the leader phone for the first time at that point yes yes yes and so what what did you make of that and the caros thinking that you know in a weird way. The life of a nun in training certainly is not there are some similarities to being a death or training. There's no shortcuts. There's no you know all right. No i think that's really accurate and i think that's kind of the way that i thought thought about it and talked about it with maggie was was it similar to in the sense that they both kind of relish in punishment and you you know i've sinned exactly exactly no. It's a really similar mentality when you get down to it and just in terms of the. I guess you could call it. Methodology side of this was there. You know when you when even when the cameras weren't rolling was there some living the life of a nun in training well. I'm definitely not method or anything like that but it was an awesome group of girls that i was working with and we all spent a few nights in the convent and and abided by their roles in the sense that we didn't speak after dinner and ran silence silence exactly show phones no cell l. phones and it was really special experience and you become attuned to things that i think you generally miss a nice way of waking up in the morning melissa louis. Oh yeah you're waking up haven't awesome all right so novitiate goes to sundance goes over. Well gets <unk> distribution. How quick to think that that did you feel like that had a pop like that. In terms of you've suddenly you've got more offers or interests or whatever just from a career perspective. Did you feel anything after that. You know people ask that kind of question a lot and i don't ever really i don't know i just feel really lucky and i feel lucky to have any of the opportunities that have had any hope to just keep having the opportunity to work with people that i really admire but i don't i don't. I don't think we'll ever feel like who've all right. I don't think that's in my makeup. In this kind of in a way brings us to the current year because obviously whatever's come out in two thousand nineteen was in the works at least in two thousand eighteen. Maybe twenty seventeen as well and the first thing is fussy version which is so good f._x. Limited series people console. Go and see on demand. You're playing an ranking the dancer who was both a work and life partner bob fosse. Did they know about i'm assuming they had had to know about your own experience with dance when they came to you yeah. I think it was a similar thing in that. They were looking for actors that had some kind of dance dance background and had you heard of i would guess as at the level of dancing you had been dealing. You probably knew about and oh yes. I watched <hes> <hes> all that jazz many time in a back of a mini van on the way to various stands spots as a kid and i was a big fan of hers a huge vancouver's actually the and i've. I've always really loved fossey style. I think one of the things that make him so is so attractive as a dancer. Is that an offer or is that he doesn't hide the you know we were talking earlier about. How bali is this quest for. Peru friction in bob fosse's really really not that way at all. You know i think it's my understanding that he initially wanted to be a dancer and then had these various physical limitations in didn't have good turnout and and then other things that were required to be a star like a full head of hair and all that kind of stuff and he <hes> rather than hiding those things i guess he did hide is here with the hat but with the rest of it he really accentuated in his style <hes> he became the story yes exactly and he and he became famous for this asymmetry and for this awkwardness and for her highlighting the parts of body that that people had formerly and tried <hes> tied and i think that's so cool that he embraces. It's all things about a dancer that are technically speaking off about within the bali world or the dance world. So was it a huge process. I mean this was gonna be the a was five six parts. I can't remember seven part series. Whatever it is very long major endeavor was how oh how many hoops to jump through before. They said you know we you're in. I edition this having me a lot and they say no and then because then certain point they're like fine so i did and the thomas gale who is one of the most lovely talented amazing people that i've ever met oh my god yes and there is a small dance portion of the audition and we did a couple of mock scenes in and he was real kind in gave me a shot and in some ways people we'll save the scariest part is when you actually get the job and in case like this because now for the first time you've got to play a real person who is alive who you do care what she thinks someone that i just grew up no big deal because like you know she is around. She's sixteen. She's certainly got all her yup yup faculties with her and jews get see this yes so what are you due to prep to make sure that that says has a smooth process possible okay so i the i in troy had to prep was we manson trio and we'll just have to say i mean that is to perfect the mail right. I mean just only do manson related. Bob fosse was obsessed with nancy and sulfur pippen. Has this complicated. It's the madsen trio and you then go and do the mets and movie same year. I've been type guests. Um anyway <hes> so we i at learned the trio when i was working with original broadway legends like pam susa and and marianne lamb and all these remarkably markedly talented dancers that idolize for a very long time and then so that was my first kind of prep for the show and and then i met sam i and michelle and we actually because the first episode i have stopped to do other than dances is episode five and that kind of like a play so we were really fortunate to have the opportunity you go in and rehearse and so i got to meet sam michelle who i've also looked up to for my does not get better than that so yeah. It was a dream scenario on both ends in an i got i got number from michelle. I mean from sam and i talked to her on the phone about a week before i started shooting huzzah conversation go so we it probably two hours and i just she's really generous and let me ask her a bunch of questions and at the end you know shoes like i was basically just telling her how terrified i wasn't how much idolized her in how i just didn't want to mess this up ben and <hes> i got her blessing and that was meant the world to me and she was like an honey. If you need anything just give me a call and i'll give you even if it's just to give a pep talk until you to trust yourself and be honest and i think i definitely abuse that 'cause i called her every week rigorous of the show the biggest thing that she was able to help you. I understand that you didn't get just from the script. I mean it's i before you answer. I just have to say the thing that i would have been maybe perplexed by a little bit. <hes> and i think that maybe she was helpful. Here was like this guy as talented as he is is consistently treating on <music> women in his life. He will not deal with his addiction. He's not <hes> an easy character and and yet both gwen inverted and and for period of years were fiercely loyal and sort of defensive and propping up so they why do they put up with that. Yeah it is interesting because she just she's one of the most generous people i've ever talked to her heart's huge and she just leads with our heart in every the direction and she is just an enormous amount of love for both bob fosse and gwen verdon and i've never heard her say one bad thing about either them. You know i've heard stories but even the stories that she tells she manages to present everyone in the most positive light that you possibly can. She's really remarkable so i think you know i i can't necessarily speak to to the way that i personally would view view that situation but as far as having inside a to the character. I think a juice was wildly impressed by her heart. Just like wow allow you know wanna do everything again to try to tell her that and was the the physical aspect of the character in the dances that were required of you and whatever you know did you kind of just slip back into being into answer or was it. A lot of <hes> was a very challenging you know i'm sure i definitely could've done better because he doesn't get better than in writing but i ever since i did the thing. Actually i've been pretty consistent with aunts like i'm definitely not in the shape i used to be but at least i'm out there. You know i hate working out so the only thing i do really is class. <hes> so i'm not i i could be worse off. Worst prepared for for the part or it could have been worse but it is tricky fought satellites. It's like you know patting your head and rubbing your belly because it's counterintuitive in certain parts and it's very specific. It's more challenging than it seems to be honest but i had a blast doing. How long does a uh limited series like that. Take to come together for from you know. How long were you working on this. I think maybe three months okay yes so i guess just for point of reference. I guess you know movies are not usually that long but probably with quentin was probably longer shoot the most right. They had a long shoot for sure. I didn't have to longer issued. I had more than you anticipate because then you would anticipate just because <hes> the style in which britain wooden shoes because he can take his time which i think on any other set i could potentially be frustrated by because i'm a little impatient but on this particular i said i was grateful for any opportunity to be there. Just be a fly ball yeah exactly as also no one has cell phones there which is great so it's just everyone's yet cell. Cell phones are banned. I and i often leave myself and my trailer anyway but but i'm alone in that so a generally ended up reading but and this scenario no one other cell phone so so everyone forced to talk and i love to know all right so when along the was it during the fussy verdon period that you first heard about what's about a time in hollywood. I'd actually shot that. I shot the movie i i did. <hes> i did once in hollywood and the summer fall and then like winter spring okay so what was going on at the time. I guess that would have been closer to the novitiate like twenty seventeen two thousand eighteen eighteen when you are. I guess going out for this. Like how did you how did you even. I hear there's manson project. I auditioned for or once upon time in hollywood and layer said earlier with the pattern. I did not get it and you want to do got an audition for tarantino. Ask yeah so cool. I would think that would be like the big. Even if you know so what if you could say i'm with you <hes> yeah i was burruss. Dope stood in the first place and then. I deducted understandable. I didn't expect to and <hes> and your addition loaded. You know who you you were like. They say this is the character you are going out for and it's not a real manson family member but it's a com whatever clinton's imagination they actually there was a set asides and they gave you three three various manson ladies that you base your audition auditioned off of or do your own thing and then they also said if you wanna do something extra you can do something extra as well and so my my base it off of one of the three that they that they gave us and also did something extra i saying i have a terrible voice. I don't know why did myself. It's like my sister has. She sucked all the the voice out of the family. You always is always forever. Maybe that's why my initial feedback was new. I just felt these that they asked for something. Extra and i didn't know what else extra to do so i i found one of the old you know. I don't know <hes> charles. Manson has an album out. I don't know if you know that but <hes> not not like just come no no he did have like a strange music yes and so you knew that music before this did what is that about <hes> <hes> spotify here. Let's check came in and saying his song dake today. Quenton got that i think eventually he he watched the addition and saw and then we ended up singing in the movie at some point so okay. You don't get the part part. Don't get the party's crushing no because i didn't expect sake. Is this normal that make sense and then i hey i didn't really have anything going on at the moment and my father was panama and he was like oh. Why don't you <hes> book a ticket to panama because then you'll get a quentin tarantino nineteen. O movie was actually what he said. He'd made them not know that you would audition but his general philosophy on life is that you if you make plans than something great will come in the way of the the plan yeah absolutely he just drew a incredible director out of the hat and happened to be quentin tarantino and i was actually and i tell but i actually actually i did book a ticket of bantam on me and my sister and then our second day. They're on the beach. I got a call from my agent. Actually didn't even have self sort of so it was very strange aimed very kind of magical feeling and he said that i needed to come home and do a chemistry with brad pitt and i was like yeah. Okay sure i'll come right home. Okay so that you know you're coming back to do that first of all. There's a couple of things that i would. I would have thought in that moment but first of all it's yeah it's scary. Garrett's brad pitt take a chemistry meeting with brad. Who's a very youthful and handsome but like fifty something year old dell's guy and you are twenty three at that time correct. So did you know how this character was. Even could be interacting with this stunt guy played by brad pitt. I the decides that they gave for the audition for the chemistry dreary. Were it was in the car so okay those. There's no you cut right to the chase yeah so you're not previously interacted with brad pitt i. I didn't know we didn't have a casual friendships. Get there and take for that okay. They've already started doing movie at this point because i think it was one of the last people to be cast like. I said they didn't want to cast me. They ran out of options and then they're like well by and minerals. We've looked around. I guess is the best we've got so i went to the stages where they were in production election and i hung out until they had a minute to stop shooting in that time where i was waiting. Actually we'll quinton witten showed me around the set a little bit and meeting him was also. I was very star struck. I'm a huge fan and then he was like well. Honey unions go sit over here in just a minute and so i sat down on one of the chairs and i'm reading a book and then i stay stand up and turn around and i'm sitting sitting in leonardo dicaprio's chair and i'm like what is happening and <hes> and then ultimately we finally got around to doing the chemistry read and what do you do to yourself. Maybe now you're a little more immune to this bleak all right. You've got to do chemistry with brad. Paisley probably watch your entire life. How do you psych yourself out of being. I'm not immune to it. I'm sweating right now from a podcast. We're not breath. I'm still nervous. No it was i think one of the most special things about there's so many things but one of the really awesome things about him is that he is so enthusiastic about what he does. You know i was obviously wildly enthused to be there and <hes> and he really meaty right there. He's like a little kid on christmas everyday that he shows up to set so when i got there he he was you know taking me on a tour of the set and showing me all the cool stuff that he'd made and so it's the cool kids are excited. You know so. I can be unabashedly enthusiastic without you know feeling too embarrassed. I always feel but i'm just yeah and i even brad. Pitt's really excited had to be there because it's a quentin tarantino because not anyone that wouldn't be great stoked about that experience <hes> so that was disarming to know you. What did you help a lot out of time at the chemistry reader. It was just a quick thing. It was pretty quick. We did <hes> seen a few times and that was it how quickly you find find out. They put me out of my misery pretty soon to sell and now you go to work and actually before you go to work to quentin is quite well known for like giving coming out homework. What did he want you to watch a reader whatever he gave me a few d._v._d.'s <hes> the documentaries his to watch about the family and did that and he did not though give anyone except brad and leo the entire script from what i understand. So who did you know what the film was even really about. I got to read the script i did but i didn't get to keep it. I i went to his office and myself was confiscated and i went to a little room and read it and it was a blast to read. It's a even the ending was there. Note the ending so everything but the ending but i did find out what happened in the end was onset because i wanted to know what i knew. There was something up and it basically brad. Come on what happens in <hes> and he's like. He didn't tell me directly. Actually he said <hes> he said thinking glorious bastards and then that was enough. I was like cool. Okay so the the other thing you gotta do to before you show up there is to learn and then deliver quentin tarantino dialect which with the possible exception of aaron sorkin is probably the most like immediately identifiable but also complex. You're not going to go there and like improvise. I think right. Maybe there was a little nobody ever he gives you. I mean not that you ever not that i ever should have but i don't think anything ah anyway okay but no yeah is dialogue is is like a song it's like he's like a really talented jazz musician in like everything that he's really physical to in his directing like everything about him is like this one beautiful orchestrated thing. That's like has a rhythm to it that it's there you go there ego but it is. It's just it's a cost thing ever so the scene. You're in some ways like i'm trying to. I think it would be maybe your primary scene in the movie would be the one in the car. They shut down a highway to do the scene gene in with you and brad car the scene that you had read for to get the part and now the added element of a couple of other things feet feet which is a notorious quinton. I guess fetish would be the word and then also what i was kind of. I from reading up for this reading up on on you before this. I was sort of more spread that you were outsourced that you're more self conscious about the feet than having to have like a bush of armpit hair. Yeah just defeat ran liver cancer point shoes for far too long. Expose those guys is. I don't wear flip flops. I don't wear sandals at the beach or conversely until i get in the water yeah big insecurity for me and and now i feel like i've just had to you know at this point is like what else is i. I've shown them in the the biggest as possible way that i could also like i wouldn't go that far but whatever over and i if i have to be okay so read. You kept a journal during the shoot so if we were to get you to cough that up how would you have generally described this experience of the time. You're there with a cast that can never be really beaten with the director who writer director actor who's like generational once in a generation guy. I've reckon with the fact that every experience i have from this point on. We'll just be disappointment. They peaked was overall. You would have set the in the in the moment. I'm enjoying this or i'm stressed. Sure <hes> i don't. I'm not confident that i'm doing a good job or you know what. I'm starting to get like what would we see. They're definitely not confident. That's not a the word i would use to describe myself <hes> but i was just really grateful for every single day on set and mm and just it was a trip at the whole thing was just very surreal who is mind blowing in kind of pinching yourself experience and and and you know the journal was just to to kind of try to remember everything was happening because it was so exciting for me and <hes> on cloud nine and and trying to take al in film goes the can. I think you were working. You're unable to be there so you are. I like taste of seeing this movie with an audience. Audience was the premier which was on july twenty second a monday following a tuesday july sixteenth breath when you woke up your nominee for fussy vernon so how did you process that week a great week. That was a great week. No it was is an awesome weekend. I <hes> my dad came in from panama for the premiere. He'd never been to one of my premiers so that was really special to have him there and when i stay in l._a. I live with my sister so we were all just hanging out and a good family time and <hes> i ate. I had a blast at the premiere got see quinton and they give him and give him a big hug and everyone ruin in that movie so kind and so just the obviously remarkably talented and cool to be around and then <hes> the anything was exciting. I'm going to be the most stoked emmy loser out there and <hes> nominees probably ever in that category i that's super cool and nam and it was a very exciting leak awesome well last question i was thinking about it and i'm like you've got to be one of only a handful of young actresses today. Maybe another another zoey deutch where you are having your own successful career on the footsteps steps of a mom who has gone through very similar experiences and i just wonder having someone that close to you with the benefit of time and experience and so seeing what what you're getting into have you had any time to sort of just decompress and have a big picture conversation about like just what could be in store for you what you hope to do with this opportunity. Just what is next well. I think really lucky in terms of relationship with my mom because we just keep it very much be no. She's just my mom and doesn't we don't really talk about movie stuff too much which i like and then in terms of big picture stuff. I have no idea what any kind of big picture thing looks like. I'm just hoping that we're all still making movies. In ten years in the world is ending because the climate is in peril. We'll send on a real. No no i just towfighi working. 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How to Find the Real Cause of Your Disease and How to Fix It with Dr. Elizabeth Boham

The Doctor's Farmacy with Mark Hyman, M.D.

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How to Find the Real Cause of Your Disease and How to Fix It with Dr. Elizabeth Boham

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in terms of like very was this triple negative aggressive breast cancer undefined you will love her I had a lump I had a lump I was actually I was actually doing breast exams and has been working with me for Gosh twenty years now so I think we have at the ultra wanted center probably close to sixty plus years of following month it was and my husband was like you really need to get that checked out like really you think so he's like Oh yeah yeah yeah and he's not a doctor you know studying exercise physiology nutrition and I was in medical school I was in my residency but I was definitely practicing what I preach to you know I was I was trying to take as good care people get that disease and you know what was going on in my body and so just learning functional medicine helped me figure out okay you know who thinks a third year old is GonNa get breast cancer but that's what happens so tell us what happened yeah so I was thought I was really healthy as you mentioned I was nations in terms of your genetics and I'm not that great of a Metabol- detoxifier I had to manage some heavy metals of my body and your hormones have to be metabolize able to take certain foods so those fighter nutrients those amazing components of our our plant foods and tournaments even more healthy percents off your first purchase plus a free thirty day membership to thrive there's no minimum amount to buy there's no code checkout all you have to do is I would really like to come and do a rotation without asking you how she just knew that I just loved it there so when I got home and droid finished some more treatment I got I ended up hooking up with in doing rotation here and that's when I first met you and my hair was just coming in it was sort of like a little bit opponents that help us with metabolism and detoxification and so so it has a huge impact on our risk they've even done some studies because I was trying to figure out how to do on on women and my patients so I was practicing on myself not thinking I was going to find breast cancer but just like oh I've got to figure out how to teach maybe I was eating well and exercising not for some people that's a really important area that we focus on in terms of prevention of cancer but for me we needed to I needed to focus on I worked with a breast surgeon I wanted my rotations I had my my friends who are my attending so they just sort of brought me through the system really quickly which is which is good because I had a pretty doing things so yeah and I was on just crazy amounts of antibiotics as a kid which really unfortunately impacted so many aspects of my my health so looking at the microbiome breast tissue so when they compare rests cancer microbiome two women who've had you know abreast so when I went to the training in functional medicine it was like this big Aha right that every says in it really just was like okay I can I can use this way of and we also just to draw the connection we know that your gut bacteria play a big role in hormone metabolism and what's get absorbed the how the hormones get broken down as anybody who's kind of medicine and clinical practice thank you yeah that first week long course in in functional medicine and and anybody who's kind of gone with what I was doing because functional medicine really looks at Okay let's personalize this to the individual you know you may have breast cancer but the reason why you got breast cancer may be Komo had radiation which is important you need to deal with the issue or surgery whatever you need yeah but then the doctors go well we're going to active absolutely plays a big role in cancer absolutely right and I have a variation one of my jeans that impacts how I do that too so so we needed to focus on that in my digestives anything it's really inactive surveillance doesn't say why did this happen Yup and we changed the conditions in the human body that may prevent it from very different from why somebody else breast cancer breast cancers in the same right not at all and even if you take triple negative breast cancers right there be multiple different reasons why different gang this different way of thinking to help myself and to help my patients to to really add things to their care it's so it's and so when when I'm working with somebody who's had cancer or any disease but let's look at breast cancer for here you know when you take that function medicine approach you want to look at look good all aspects of their health to personalise their treatment plan for them so what can they do to create this healthier terrain where the Samedi two hundred sixteen thousand six hundred new cases of invasive breast cancer and on about sixty two thousand cases of non-invasive breast cancer and you know you mentioned system was a mess way too many antibiotics as a kid for chronic urinary track and we know that women who get any box a higher risk of breast cancer they do they absolutely do Shen and they've looked at their microbiome the bugs and their breast tissue it's very different so so even the even the of course the gut the gut bugs make a difference cancer's not gonna come back or where they can even attack the cancer they're dealing with now better so of course always start with those lifestyle factors right you wanNA make sure that they're getting good rest and sleep you're not no usually carrying husband he's just sort of sorta wakes me up sometimes and so I was really lucky because I had powerful and breast cancers calm one and eight women in the United States will develop invasive breast cancer over their lifetime and there's two thousand Nineteen Alan Canyon ranch where you know working with with you and toddler penis and Kathy swift and and Cindy Guyer and just was and nobody said well gee maybe there's something going on this one's bite it's making a good home for cancer how do we change that and make it inhospitable for cancer we're on colleges tell their patients that have ice cream milkshakes you know don't lose way right I mean it's feeding the cancer absolutely right and so you go deeper and then you go and look at you look at how all the different systems in the body are interrelated and influencing that terrain right so like we were talking about with recurring yeah and it's just like this blank space that happens after you had cancer I remember one came to see me she had three different cancers and yet guts mess at whole system gets messed up absolutely absolutely and and even our our our bugs in our gut impact how we're breath blood sugar and insulin we make sure that those that somebody doesn't have any signs of insulin resistance or that pre prediabetes that we know increases surveillance and that means they're going to follow the mammograms or Moore is or whatever it's just kind of watchful waiting as opposed to doing it but it's you know we're going to learn more about the bugs in all parts of our body fluence their microbiome in your breast tissue yeah influence cancer you know cancer all respond to higher levels of insulin and so the half of the people in this country have prediabetes and and get it making sure they're doing some movement exercise managing their stress we pay attention to the the the mind the emotional the spiritual aspect that abuse and even if somebody's not really overweight if they're over fat right if they're that Towfighi right but then on the fat on the inside if you're if you're over fat or impacts how the body is working how the body is is able to heal and then we look for all chronic disease so that's just like six go deeper right that whole period of time where there where where we were too many doctors are missing the Metabolic Syndrome prediabetes time where rate of his risk of cancer obesity and cancer link diabetes absolutely people don't understand that yeah and and even and even before somebody gets diabetes in the face of inflammation studies show that when CRP that marker for inflammation one of the biomarkers for inflammation higher than cancer is more likely to grow and and eating the right foods you know avoiding all that extra sugar and and refined carbs and getting a lot of fiber in their diet and sugar in refined doctors answer is much much higher so even blood sugars normal but the insulin is high the bodies resistant to their insulin there the bodies making more insulin than it needs we test for signs of inflammation and we looked to lower inflammation we also focus on what can we do to strengthen your immune system right how do we strengthen those natural transcend absolutely mushrooms and then we then we focus a lot on toxic vitamin D plays a huge role right in and yes you're you're in detoxifying genetics off so how did you fix that yeah how do you create a terrain in your body right that's soil where cancers less likely to grow and and then of course toxins right we know toxins have a huge impact on risk of cancer because they can lower the immune system function and I don't know it and I would bet it's more because we have about seventy five percent of the population overweight yup I mean it's probably three quarters of the population yet has some version of insulin resistance ooh that can per your belly fat grove but it also makes cancer grow yes and it's not just breast cancer prostate cancer and colon cancer and lungs Sir and we found all sorts of stuff to deal with that she had never addressed and that the doctors never thought about and that's the beauty of medicine and that's when you said for yourself you figured out your gut was killer cells which we know that can go and find abnormal cells and get rid of them you know how do we how do we do that with with a certain they can impact hormone levels in the body and they can impact the you know the the liver and the liver can detoxify toxins have this huge impact many aspects from the plastics were crazy exposed to to you know heavy metals to to pesticides and these things can act absolutely and then we can help figure out both through the patient's story and the test we get to determine where to work for that individual person where do they need you we pay attention to the GUT microbiome was we were talking about and we also looked to see is there anything causing inflammation in the body because we know that cancer likes to grow hormones and insulin resistance looking at hormone metabolism which is something that most doctors don't look we'll get into that in a minute looking at toxins looking your microbiome looking your nutrients status much weight around the belly there you're also at high risk for insulin resistance is killer it is a killer so we always focus on insulin and insulin resistance blood vessels from feeding a cancer cell teabag exactly you're losing tea but if that enzyme is too high that can help that can cause estrogen to get couple uncoupled and then that can cause that uncoupling allowing the estrogen as opposed to just getting released in pooped out it gets reabsorbed into the body resulting very low vitamin D rates. Yup Right 'cause they're living in this country and they don't they're not getting enough sunshine Africa Yup and yeah and so whatever we can do to make sure that there's no other reasons inflammation going on in the body that I think really important to focus on so Israel things we test here at the Ultra WanNa Center yeah right so we have ways of looking for these things most doctors just don't look at and you know what we find stuff which is amazing focus green tea is probably good for all of us because of because of how it is it's anti-inflammatory it's anti angiogenesis rated helps prevent those particles of plastic into your T. when you pour hot water over them I know right so you wanted to choose your loose tea what I say but so this is power I mean most doctors who are on college don't look at stool tests I mean if you're breast cancer why should look at your poop and we know how connected these things are even at Cleveland Clinic Estrogen is associated with breast cancer whether it's causing breast cancer causing breast cancer to grow we know that when estrogen levels are high in the body that can thank you and then reabsorbed into the body so if you have too much of this one enzyme we know that that ends up leading to higher levels of estrogen in the body and we know that study on the freaking teabags right those teabags that are the fancier teabags that are actually plastic and they're leaching micro certain people that it's even more important for right so you can we can then personalise care which I think is is phenomenal yeah one of the most striking things is estrogens and when it gets metabolize it goes down these different pinball pathways and depending on which one it can increase your risk of cancer or decrease it so tell us about that blake especially like the pesticides and the plastics they can act as they can bind to that estrogen receptor in the body and in the pack they call them call them Zeno estrogen you know the gut connection to because there's a group bacteria in the gut when they grow too much so we can actually look for and we can test through a stool test actually did you write foreign estrogens are coming and it's all these plastics and we're all basically says pools of all this stuff yes right right like in even they just did another other stuff when we do testing here looking hormone metabolism which is something pretty important but most doctors don't clue into because you're not just estrogen there are many chiefs jumping in a cold bath yet do that stretching Saunas I love all that stuff but I recently found something that has quickly become one I might be you to breast cancer right tell us about that connection well you know so there's this enzyme in the digestive system called Beta glue purana days and into hormone imbalances in men too so we we are looking for it often defy roy and heavy bleeding and all kinds of things yup and then we also look at actor terracing who's the head of the genomic personalized medicine a program there is very focused on the microbiome of the gut and how changes in that yeah and there's some types of there's some types of estrogens that are healthier for us and other types that are more concerning and you know we we can influence -regulation regulates absolutely linked to higher rates of cancer yes men African American men and pirates of prostate cancer it's often because the age and then free and it can get reabsorbed in the body and then you end up with these chronically high levels yes right which could lead to breast cancer in women but we also see because of more breast cancer so it's interesting to note that when there's a shift in the microbiome there there's a shift in this one enzyme Beta quicker oddities in higher levels of estrogen in the body deliver packages up the estrogen down to the POOP and it's supposed to just go out but this bacteria sort of unwraps it from its packet also what you're saying is someone who has cancer they just don't say well come back every six months or year for a scan you go wait a minute there's a lot of stuff that can be addressed your diet influence that based on some foods so broccoli is this amazing food like you're you're you're cruciferous vegetable since estrogen metabolism with a bunch of fighter nutrients which is really I mean part of part of why that metabolism occurs there's some of course genetic components but you can help with influencing metabolism estrogen and it's also been shown sulfurophane been shown to increase through epigenetics food I then you can actually produce it helps your body with the production of this amazing antioxidant detoxifier glutathione amazing when it comes to cancer but so often supplements are full of folic acid which is the synthetic form that is not good for us for for most had problems with this with these pathways and I simply gave her these components and nutrients and not only did her metabolites improve but her uncalled sixteen yep which is sort of one of those pinball pathways and not enough of the two has estrogen when it's metabolize Yep and what we did was we take out part of her cervix and she was very stressed about it so we did a bunch of testing and we found that she looked at estrogen metabolism and her genetics she had genetics ages how your genes express themself it can increase the production of this enzyme that makes glutathione which is this mass what we can help people modify those risks in a way that you did with your own breast cancer I know yeah it's it's it's pretty it's so powerful it's so powerful and full eight are anti-oxidants detoxifier so that when you take eat more Broccoli or take sulfurophane right but are eat more Broccoli we always go with beating sugar and carbs and alcohol which actually causes the cancer which is very strange to me anyway so this woman had this pathway that was causing her pap test to become abnormal her server pap test reverted to normal without any surgery right and I think at this is the kind of medicine we do here at the center where we actually can dig into these issues we can find out what's really underneath into sulfurophane in your your digestive system like a patented thing this by John Hopkins Breast Cancer Broccoli Pill basically yeah and that can recall cells to get precancerous and so I changed her diet and I gave her a lot of these b-vitamins like full eight B six and B twelve evidence there's nine hundred thousand papers published every reads them all most doctors don't and there's millions of articles and if you look you'll see there's evidence they just don't use it because it's the framework but this woman impaired her ability to accom- math late yet which is super important for preventing cancer sector be Biden's but she also is making high levels of this toxic Estrin chemicals in Plant Foods Broccoli Soy bean soy helps you make equal which helps with metabolism kills me as a breast cancer doctors will tell their patients with some of his development his coordination and his interaction with other kids but nobody had done some basic nutritional testing on children you know I had a ten year old who came in and he had like mild to moderate autism he was he was really struggling with comes from foliage right you're gleam green leafy veggies and you know that that's mostly methylated easy for the body to assimilate so that's why we're always telling us and a lot of people can't make active into the active form so you probably gave her the methylated fully yes yeah which you get from your plant foods fully essentially changed her died to help because rights sugar makes you have more sixteen starting to make more sixteen whereas all these things you're talking about like the and I gave her an extract of the Broccoli called denial methane which has been actually researched if you look it up on pubmed which is you know the doctors are where's the evidence whereas there's plenty Komo vitamin D or people who are having mood issues from methylation problems I remember this one patient and she had a history of multiple missy which I was just nobody checked his iron levels which you know that's something that every doctor can do and so why why wouldn't you check his iron levels and he had low iron which impacts is energy and is impacting him in terms of development it can make a heavy metals more toxic to the Oh and there's a lot of times we're not looking and saying we're missing some insufficiencies or frank deficiencies and they're not diseases yet crucial deficiencies we see and relates to not just cancer but other issues it's amazing the amount of nutritional insufficiencies we see when we start to look right and I think that's the and and yet we typically think of it as a brain problem right but Dr Martha Herbert from Harvard said it's actually a systemic disorder that affects the brain not a brain disorder and and you you mentioned a number of things you mentioned diet you mentioned in is there and so we really work to support his Andrea with extra carnitine the activated be vitamins Magnesium Co Q. Ten and with the the the the lead to function and make people feel bad and people don't often connect the dots you know I think whether it's people who get fatigue and fiber her pathways that allows you to actually fix this chronic I'm amazed at sometimes when people come in to see us how little testing has been done we see this ton with autistic what you said is really true and it's not just like a wacky thing Suzanne go I'm sure you know from Harvard is a Harvard neurologist pediatric neurologist who studied through very fancy testing published in the journal American Medical Association that these a lot of these kids have mighty contra problems in the brain and so giving these mitochondria helpers drugs so powerful case I had woman in years ago early changes that were going to lead cervical cancer so she pap testing wanted of kids on the autistic spectrum because we see significant improvements now we we don't always see improvements I mean we have kids that don't improve one hundred fifty then one in sixty nine I think is one in thirty Boise it's pretty frightening and it's not just better diagnosis actually a real thing which is terrible it's the worst kind of neurological defect and she read an article I wrote on methylation online and she asked her doctor for the test for her genes that affect shift in his diet giving him some iron you know giving supporting as my Qendra he really did so well I was just talking to his mom the other day and she was just impressed Khanjian like this kid improve now kids autism don't get better that's the that's the basic common and census among medical professionals and yet so I should say we often see improvements we don't always see them totally reverse totally normalised right but there's so much we can do and we get a lot of kids who act marriages yet and multiple abnormal birth defects you know we have neural tube defects Shit Anencephalia baby which is like a baby born with basically without a brain we're just basic nutrients that the body uses that they have insufficient levels of actually helps these kids get better yeah it's it's phenomenal I you know I love working with they help with taking your food and turning it into pure energy and so when his we looked at as a country we look we saw that he had some deficits rain and and so we replaced his iron and of course we cleaned up his diet took them off you get them on a more nutritionally dense they come in young when we get I think because of the inflammation right the young the the earlier we can get rid of the inflammation that's causing problems terms of brain development I think the the better so I had a child is talking to his mom just the other day he's five now but when he was two when he and that around fifteen months he had this regression and he started losing the words he was already saying and he was losing autism has been on the rise for decades I think the numbers keep getting worse and worse he used to be one in two thousand and one in fifteen hundred and one and and a bunch of antibiotics but then he actually needed IV antibiotics so he wasn't getting better and so he needed these Vienna Botox as well so Tori foods for him but but then we just replaced him nutritionally you know who we did some more testing on his mighty Andrea which you know those are the powerhouse of your cells and they help Tori foods which basically autism if you autopsy an autistic brain it's inflamed it's inflamed they mentioned this on kids who died with autism we said Okay we've got to focus on the digestive system here and we did a bunch of testing and we found that he had these the people you know getting your eight to ten vegetables with some fruit day you know we really more vegetables but just just to get in all that full late so true there's so many actually our psychiatrist don't look all that stuff and that's what we do here and you said was that you did a few simple things right changes diet optimizes nutritional status fixes and their brains are on fire they have high levels of toxins they have massive nutritional deficiencies ninety percent of them have got problems and yet you know most neurologist don't is to they brought him in and which is great so when they're I feel when when they're younger we even have we can have more impact but so they and when when you took his full history we realized that at around one he had this really bad pneumonia so he was given have significant improvement right away and then you know we of course gave him more Omega three fats both through food and supplements vitamin the system and how well it's working because that's really win the whole digestive systems getting formed and and the intestinal barrier getting formed and so he had this major shift in his thanks so much better at school he's interacting more with other kids he's he's he's he's improving energetically to all on headline news here so mental issue whether it's learning disabilities add whether it's asperger's or various forms of autism and in the problem is took them off a gluten dairy and his mom started to notice really improvement right away I mean he didn't go right to normal right away but but he started yes and ninety five percents he's gut issues and they can't break down these proteins and then that's when they caused these reactions right and so when when a child and we're going to actually eighty bipolar schizophrenia. Even that's actually where functional medicine originated was through Abram Hoffer who basically started thinking about the biology of Schizo for food more nutritionally dense foods got him off of yeah we got him off at sugars and the and the food coloring and stuff and took away of some inflation changed to help these kids brains work better and whether it's Alzheimer's or autism or any brain injury your mood issue we actually have a way of helping people whether it's depression anxiety glued morphines theory Casey morphines these are the components from gluten and dairy that can cross the blood brain barrier an impact the opioid receptor in the brain and impact school is integrated into normal school now his he's speaking he's interacting with other kids he's not as irritable you know the school doesn't have him he you know we don't really have any great treatments for this and and I think that we in functional medicine pull back the hood and look much deeper at things that are modifiable what can be that can show that can help with eye contact and we we checked him for heavy metals and we help support his detoxification systems. Abiam that caused probably inflammation I'm suspecting and resulted in these these glued Emerson Casey Amorphous so again we changed changed his diet we metabolic or nutritional or the other but most of these patients you can find stuff and whether they get ten percent better fifty percent or better one hundred percent better uh-huh and really helped support his immune system with with zinc and vitamin A. and he really you know I was just speaking to his mom now he's five and he's in a regular you know when she insults antibiotics we hear the same story over and over and he was bad was nonverbal talking disconnected and we just reminded me of this kid I had years ago came in his two and a half and he was really a mess same story yeah fine fifteen months and a hat in almost thirty years who had autism I couldn't find anything wrong right and I think it was a genetic cause I couldn't find any right your child's or an adult for that matter but our ability to focus and our energy and all the time yeah you kind of have this brain fog and sixty-nine published in Science magazine talking about how we can use nutrients to optimize brain function so we see this and it's it's pretty striking and I remember one patient only one patient all of his language and he became really moody and Irritable and just the they were they were really distraught so they brought him in phenomenal because it gives us that map to do things in the to think differently to personalize the care right and to look at all the chilly normalize as well you know I mean I find it amazing era yeah it's crazy right but it's actually something we do see yeah and especially Menia and using high dose nutrients to improve the function and the first paper ever sort of to be written about this was the Ortho molecular psychiatry by Linus Pauling and relation problems magnesium deficiencies zinc deficiency and we just started working on all these things systematically and it takes work on the dietary change so because it's got estrogen which actually isn't acting like estrogen it's a it's finding this receptor but at x can block the effects lower estrogen in the body actually and then they they don't tell them ah is really worth digging yeah and so often they're just told oh go to this therapy which can be helpful but that's all that's done and it's so it's amazing to me ask for these in the Euro Yep which is what we found in him and when a child has high doses of antibiotics at a really young age that can really change their digest this is something that is not being treated in any rigorous way by traditional medicine it needs that comprehensive approach rate so that's where functional medicine I think is so when when he was two and he had that really typical story he was developing really well he was a beautiful child doing great starting to have words hi Mary doctor and everything was Okay and then she went to a Gi doctor because she was having all this she was having a lot of Gi issues she had them her whole life bloating our time with digesting her food she felt she didn't really feel good after she ate she had some intermittent coma yeah some intermittent also looking at yeah like I had this I had this woman who was thirty eight and was was really struggling because she had gone to a penn so much wrong with him as got super inflamed he had bacterial overgrowth at yeast overgrowth he had heavy metals he had severe vitamin issues. We do have good drugs like autoimmune disease drugs but you know it's like using a sledgehammer pound a nail and you have to figure out what the issues are Korea and constipation and she's tired of course and she was having a hard time with gaining weight which you know we actually get a lot of patients with that here at the ultra in the center systems in the body and and and then focus on what's important whereas that important area to work on for that patient is really it's really made for you know it's really great geography we people want to lose weight but we also get a lot of people who really are struggling with gaining weight and so she was underweight but she had this belly that would bloat and so she was she super diligent and did absolutely everything which is not easy because he's not easy to work with them they don't Wanna eat this don't WanNa take that they don't wanna swallow this but if you are diligent and you work with these this feeling tired and when we started getting that that good history and looking deeper and learning all about her story and then doing a physical exam I mean she was all right and he went back to normal and we see that it's it's it can be so impressive and marijuana the impression that we can cure every case autism but I do think it's she started telling me Oh you know my nails my nails are all week and peeling and and I can't put on muscle and I'm just feeling tired and much going on your body there's literally thirty seven billion billion chemical reactions every second and how many of those are we testing well we test not all of them we test a lot of the relevant ones bridal cell antibodies and was amazed when I found they were positive so bridal cells are the cells in your stomach that make acid which is necessary thousand her stomach and so she was she that was really the cause of her not being able to produce enough acid so she couldn't breakdown or protein his and he found that their normal and he so I'm going to give you full like ask you see no no doctrine says take this special form full a method Foley as she fixed sorry for breaking down your food and protein particularly xactly Yup digesting your poteen so you can absorb it and then pulling your minerals out of your food and hired and Moody and Irritable and so what we purge amount so the reason we get these is because the guts amiss have that diagnosis anymore per score ccable yeah yeah you're right I mean I think you know we see a whole spectrum here and one in six kids has some nerd is in the small intestines and it also resulted in her nails being weak and peeling and her hair shifting so so actually done a CBO test to test for bacterial overgrowth Yep and had treated her with with a medication for vaccine which helped but then for absorb protein gain weight like she wanted to do and also not having enough acid in her stomach resulted in her getting this overgrowth of bacteria and her intestine have an increased risk for having infections in their stomach right that's small small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or just pneumonia for that matter because the are and how people get to that and that's that's really filter on a center what we do differently as we really look at those underlying factors what are the root causes how do we test for them and again I I'm always amazed at the things like iron levels not checked or or leads not checks it's a brain problem why check any of that stuff cells in the stomach acid yep yep and it's actually common yes it's amazingly common like we check for it all the time and I'm amazed most doctors don't ask and connecting the most doctors don't connect and actually seeing how all these things are related one body one system yes yes adverse symptoms came back and so she was really frustrated and when she came to see us I started putting everything together and ended up testing her for these Downer food but then we also ask the question why is she making these antibodies and is there anything we can do to calm down that autoimmune process in her body autoimmune disease to the kids this kid completely normalized and I was like holy cow and it might have conjul function was off and all of his labs went back to normal so we we ended up replacing the acid in her stomach we used to supplement called Betaine Hcl so when she ate she would take some acid to help her and and and you know what she just she started to her digestive system started to work better she could digest her food she was able to get rid of the bacterial overgrowth sort of put together so most is look at your nails if you have a stomach problem right right but they're all clues medicines all about being a medical detective and asking questions will you have to give extra nutrients right so we gave her some some extra mino- acids and things to help with healing the digestive systems zinc and gloomy it system to use when working with kids or adults any anybody with anything that traditional medicine doesn't really work well for even things ages getting my gluten dairy and Gloria morphines like you said we detoxified them over time we got A and B twelve shots we yet as nutritional status optimizing that parents Oh yes yeah amazing so not only you ed doctor an exercise physiologist but you're also a uh I went to the GI doctor he did this in an endoscopy and everything was okay and you're the structure not the function yeah and he actually the doctor actually certified registered Dietitian right in our D. which is kind of amazing a rare breed and you have actually been if thinking that figures out the root cause like a medical detective and then uses different strategies to help optimize a system so you didn't give her a drug you and you know we had to give her some extra nutrients for a while 'cause she wasn't really breaking down and absorbing and sometimes just to help the digestive system he to treat her again but but she was able to get rid of it then it didn't come back and you know her nails started to improve and our hair start to improve and she just felt better and have more energy in your body absorb b twelve and she had these by the way all the drugs that are given out like candy the acid blockers like purpose they all stop that whole process I know so that's fine it's really is like being a detective most someone you go to the doctor you go to a doctor that's a specialist in a particular thing we're really lucky here at the ultra center even though my even though my background's in nutrition we also have four amazing nutritious who we work with and every new patient who comes and may have been trickier triggering this immune disease caused hundreds of autoimmune diseases so then we took off of that and then we replaced the stomach acid and broccoli cauliflower cabbage Kale they have what's in that they have some fighter nutrients like glucose innovates which gets converted onto digestive issues using food as medicine is amazing and and the side effects of medications and there's so much we often I find it and then and then if we find it early then we can prevent the B twelve deficiency that comes if we you know didn't find it for years and years and years and one of the leaders in teaching other physicians about how to use food as medicine so tell us about this whole concept of food is medicine and how that relates to working with patients her things to support her stomach acid which has been used for centuries in S- in bidders right which has been around as medicinal cocktails of herbs that help you digest your food and that's what they did Ultra Wellness Center I think foo- using food as medicine is amazing because there's so much we can do we can we can prevent disease by shifting somebody's so so so then what happened rate so they come on with the punchline so then we realized that she had an issue with gluten and that may be differently when you go to the doctor you get like you know your lab work done and you get oh my tests are all normal thirty forty fifty tests maybe well there's is in after they see the doctor they see the nutritionist which really helps me because they do all the all the practical stuff like actually how do you do this brand of the yeah I'm going to go to a specialist in my stomach right he's not thinking about all these other things Yup and functional medicine we have a different way of asking questions differently acid in their stomach is not is not is not prosise 'cause they can absorb calcium they do that too yeah so this woman had these antibodies against the price can do and so I think side effects yeah good side effects right and we just we need to personalize it to the patient diet you know and we can we can treat disease by using food as medicine everything from from diabetes to heart disease to autoimmune disease this crates how they work by you don't be twelve museum zinc mantra side effects yeah yet and that's why people who take acid blockers yeah product here right and how do you make this practical and doable for the patient because sometimes we ask them to do a bunch of things for us we do this right but the the Tristesse really make a difference yeah yeah and so but but but what it's amazing to see and I think allegation of nutrition is is where it's at and can be really helpful for people and I think sometimes people because be successful and move forward as powerful for sure are let's talk about something else which is something we treat a lot here and it's something that I personally experienced it'd be cravers and carbohydrate addict's and and help them learn how to fix that absolutely where do they need to focus so it I think the talk me to my knees almost thirty years ago and that's heavy metals and to me it's remarkable how much the savior issues aggression and so on and we know if you eat way too much mercury or your poison that's an issue but as low level chronic genetics and how that influences what Diet we should be on sweet tooth gene you can tell we're going to be more likely good history from our patient gathering all that information seeing what they've done in the past looking at biomarkers what are they dealing with we can determine lawrence whether it's over time you know aging or because they're eating the wrong foods or maybe there's toxins in the environment you know we Zim Blind spot in medicine yes just like off the radar like lead we know okay lead can cause things to go wrong and kids can be leading to be and and I mean of course every patient we want them to change to a whole foods diet and get off the junk you know and get rid of the processed food with the added sugar deeper and deeper but a lot of times just by making you know personalizing the plan for the patient personalizing their diet for the patient that can really help them improve hydrates right like do they have do they have signs of that prediabetes we were talking about earlier that insulin resistance and they do better if we really lower toxicity is something that is just off medical radar and yet it's something we see all the time can you talk about you know what what it does and what we see and how do we yeah and I think that that's going to be really the future of nutrition right is how we can personalise the nutrition prescription for that patient the bottles that's the way to go or glass right yeah so you know so so then we can determine you know based on getting and you're saying it's not as simple right it's about figuring out what's right for you so how do you little about doing that with nutrition talk about that because you know you know so many there's so many camps of nutrition and diet wars out there and everybody's fighting everybody Paleo Vegan this stat there carbohydrate intake or carbohydrate intolerances like gluten gluten intolerant yes and they they develop carbohydrate in time treat this yeah it's all about the toxic load right so we're so we so focused on is there one toxin that's crazy high levels and then we know it's a concern but we're learning that BPA for example that hard plastic not only does it increase risk of breast cancer but it increases risk of insulin resistance and everyone on your credit card Lucy's on your team receives after I met you all those years ago was it really twenty years but at some point you looked at my mouth oh they just read about nutrition they get Kinda confused and overwhelmed and I don't know where to go and what to do and so when you help to really personalize a plan that can really help bottle that's BPA free is not the answer because it's going to have some other plastic that's like slightly modified so they can get away with saying it's free but it's I'm Sh- you know probably impact to come out is we test and we can test to see if a lot of that mercury levels in their body and we can look to see as a lot of that where and how to manipulate the Diet for their best health insulin levels yes their right hormone yeah information and food coloring and additives baseline eat real food yeah and then then we need to figure out okay would they do better with lower carbon klay money at little kids and and it just seemed overwhelming to me and and I worried you know what would what sort of family yeah I definitely listen to you and you know had them safely removed right they used a dental dam so that the mercury and oxygen so the right or we know that when there's low levels of multiple different toxins they can be additive and they can really impact so many different systems in the body they can impact your immune system Richard is linked to cancer definitely for me I know that it impacted my immune system because once had them removed and detoxified own in a binder and some nutrients that helped support my body's production of of Glutathione and a c. and the sulfurophane we were talking and and you know weaken your immune system they can impact your neurological system they can impact every system in the modern absolutely you know I remember did I was more prone to colds and Flus and viruses and you know it made a huge difference in my immune system and also and Liz Really got to get rid of those so I had a mouthful of silver amalgams right and you to cancer but in so I really did the test you could really see that you know and I see that all the time with my patients where when we look we can say okay these feelings should be removed or something don't you WanNa Center so those are the kinds of things we do that are quite different absolutely and it helped me go okay you're you're mercury you've got your Mercury's coming from those amalgams and and my immune system really improved but I remember you looked at my math and you're like you gotta get this taken care of and I'm like Oh really so much work you know I had little exact mercury coming from the amalgams right can help determine is it more fish or is it more fillings that the by the mercury is high and how is the body handling that mercury okay this is obvious then you know which was with me this is obvious you really need to have these replaced it's a calculus if you're really healthy and you feel fine and you're levels sensitivity testing Danny Diet test which is mass it's really interesting and I think that we're going to learn more and more in this area in terms of yes and helped so many of our patients like I had I had a woman Who I started seeing maybe two years ago she was fifty and she had chronic sinus infections she was she was getting antibiotics at least at least three times a winter sometimes even five and in fact her doctor just gave you know your body is not handling them well and as I mentioned earlier I missing one of these glued Afyon producing jeans and genetically for kids out earlier and and as I was saying earlier it made such a huge difference to my immune system I was somebody who had those chronic urinary tract infections as a kid this on your gestation those in touch how and I don't know why we would join them like no thanks another plastic intestines or skin or urinary system right those are the first line of defense against getting another infection so you take antibiotics science of how to do this sound like Oh detox like it's some kind of quiet you think your body actually has a detoxification system is well described the good stuff so then you're more prone to getting another infection which is what happened to this woman right she was just getting sinus infection after sinus infection and some difference you know in terms of my neurological system I noticed the shift in terms of the brain fog aspect in terms of my ability to think more clearly I was pretty earlier? Yeah it's fine it depends on the microbiome of your mouth yes pens on whether you're grind your teeth or tobacco or yeah that whole toxic load right and and our genetic A. and Vitamin C. But we checked her heavy metals and she had high levels of heavy metals and so so action they take antibiotics which wipes at a lot of the good bacteria which is our first line of defense right so those good bacteria that line our nasal passageways or stomach yeah well I mean I was seventy five at a mouthful fillings yet I tested him and challenged him he had no mercury and a system he was able to get rid of it we needed to she had she actually had had her fillings removed a few years ago but when we did some further testing that provoked tests as I say to patients you know what I don't really you know if you want if you have somebody who can safely remove them in a in a in a maybe that makes sense but if it's not really worked to to really mobilize and lower those heavy metals in her body with really assist systematic approach but a really comprehensive approach verbal you you really need to be removed safely and you know what helped you know what I do with all my patients when I'm trying to make that decision of does this these fillings aced yeah and I remember when you went through that after many years it's so powerful I'm what you're saying is there is her prescriptions so that if she felt one coming on she could just go refilled rates rebels for augmented so became this but vice science there's ways to activate it and optimize it and help it do its job you mobilize the toxins you get increased circulation get rid of them you can actually up regulates right so that really helped me you know had the pattern that was like okay you're not going to get that test your regular doctor that's a special and quicksilver we do that here not uncommon we we sort of laugh about it but it's unfortunately not uncommon that people get into these chronic infections right they just they just their body gets one in fish and we got my feelings out and I'm going to be okay yes and that's not necessarily true because what happens if you about a lifetime of feelings or even which causes a lot of mucus we cleaned her diet of course we supported her immune system with all those nutrients that are really good for the immune system Asian mushrooms zinc and vitamin for mentioned it is and so you know genetically I'm not that great of a qualifying producer detox you know so we found that her heavy her her mercury and even her lead was a little bit elevated and you know I was suspicious that this was really impacting her immune system so we I was doing all my normal functional medicine tricks and nothing was working and I'm going to so I remembered what my mentor Said said Bakers lifetime at tuna canned tuna it's GonNa accumulate your body and it can store near tissues it's not in your blood yes so if your blood tests were fine you don't know that you're fine in a mentor for a lot of us in functional medicine he said you'll have done everything I can for this patient is there something I'm missing something missing so went back to the basics you know you know the way when you go to the ent doctor check your sinuses they don't check your heavy metals right so we did a lot of things for this woman right we took off a dairy. Why is that overdoing this probably ten fifteen thousand of these heavy metal tests is that it's so variable how it affects people in one person in order next year right and how it all comes together so I had them removed and then went through this whole a detoxification process where I supported I took extra glued Afyon impression of the person to sinus infection personnel Alzheimer's and other person cancer another person gut issues and it just goes on and on autoimmune disease and focused to help them get well so good I you know one of the things we do here that's a little different and I really helps patients and something that I personally those pathways that cleared from your body can bind in your gut to make you poop it out and yep it out so there's a real science to this and it just this thing that's a biggest blindspot medicine we need to focus on personalizing healthcare right and working with that individual patient and I'm having the time having the time to be able to is heavy metals and it was off the chart and this guy couldn't gain weight he was had weight loss blood and the stoves really quite sick and we got rid of his heavy metals and he completely normal we didn't get back in my system you can't just go to regular dentists to take him out I'm GonNa make you worse I know a guy was a doctor and he ended up with heart failure yeah you really need to have them number transplants and yet we're doing things that are a little out of the box but seemed to have profound benefits so talk about the benefits and how intravenous nutrition works and Racer Dietitian but as a family document to a fellowship in nutritional medicine and what that generally means a lot of IV nutrition but not the kind we do here and you have to do a very specialized test that most doctors don't do which is a challenge test ask acuity pill and your urine for six hours and that's the kind of stuff we dig into and what's amazing to me is clinicians to get to know our patients and get all that history so we can determine where we need to go you know and and and where we need to would it be wrong and you were like you really should get those taking care of two years later you looked at my math you should really get those taken care of that was working to get a lot of fiber that helps it helps bind to the heavy metals we used we actually use some key leaders with her we used the yet we don't think about looking for that when we're diagnosed with these problems and often that's the number one guy who had all sort of colitis France like the NFC in sulfurophane and we increase clue to file we were talking about exactly which helps her detoxify gave her glutathione which you can give a Somali to get help when they've tried everything else and nothing works but you don't have to wait until you've tried everything else you can come here I so in terms of in terms of your your vision for the future of healthcare what where do you think we're going and what do you think the future is going to look like well you know I think that I think we just we used to get better from chronic illness is intravenous nutrition and you know you were trained as a not only and help our patients he'll so you know there's a few reasons why that is so when you give something? IV intravenously through the vein then he's got it's not agreeing with his system usually it's a shortlist toxins infections or microbes allergens poor diet and stress and we checked yep exactly so so it can be really a powerful tool and you know so it's fun to use and really see some of our patients that have been okay I'm just not ability to digest and absorb their nutrients compromised we can bypass that and use nutritional therapy to give them the nutrients their body needs and how is it different from what we use in the hospital and how do we use it with patients. IV nutrition can be really a great tool to add on great because we can give higher doses and sometimes sometimes higher doses are necessary when somebody's really depleted or CIRQUE YUP or they're really sick you can be can also give it IV what's really interesting is you know something you just said which is that she had her filling out and she was still toxic so a lot of people I'm going to stop eating it's whether it's B. Vitamins or magnesium or glutathione her there's so many things we can vitamin C. Yep and the other reason that Ivy's then you can bypass the digestive system so if somebody's digestive systems it really working great memory all the people we've talked about so far if they have inflammation it'd be vitamins and things that helped me deal with that and recently when I got sick for mold poisoning my gut was a mess because that had any botox for bad tooth and that caused colitis you have these symptoms it doesn't tell you what the real causes and that's what's so different about functional medicine it's so different about what we do hit the ultra wellness center and we we see people from all over the world who come or we're really using nutrients actually as as medicine or treatment you know so we're taking it to another level and so because of that issue can be really really powerful and they can really help some of our patients turn the corner when they can't really do it with with with pills like they're like okay we know they're B twelve deficient wised so that doesn't mean to say that everybody also Clyde has has mercury right because I was just because you know the name of the disease doesn't mean what's wrong with you right it doesn't tell you anything except via another great way that you

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Episode 281 - Legal Cannabis and Keto Diets

The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

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Episode 281 - Legal Cannabis and Keto Diets

"We need to talk about ideas. Good ones and bad ones. You need to learn stuff about the world. We need an honest intelligent thought provoking and entertaining view of what the hell happened on this planet. In the last seven days we need to sit back and listen to the iron fist. And the glove. Welcome back listener episode two hundred ninety one of the on fist in the velvet glove. Podcast something that would be different for you. d listener if this is the first time chained into our humble podcast. Normally we have a little panel discussion where we talk about. News and politics and six and religion. And there's normally a gang of priviliged widen solving the problems of the world on this cajun three privilege. White men sitting around solve specific problems. Aren't i the iron fist with me on this occasion is my good friend. Dez welcome aboard is. Thank you very much going to be here. Not and this is gonna talk to us kind of his oil and the selling of it legally and what you need to ny all about it. So that's the sort of topic of discussion amongst a bunch of other things that will probably get and also with me as lies is jared. Goff is looking after our technical stuff. Welcome again john. Evening all right so we will be having a zoom call in if you want to at some stage joel. Put that up on the screen and you can hit us with your questions but d listener. I've mentioned a few occasions that i play squash and different things in life are being a lawyer and nestling supplies and i've been around at fifty six and some of the most interesting people i've met have been people of through squash and there's no exception to that rule so we were talking about the say. Well we'll get you on the podcast talk about stuff so you own a pharmacy and and it's an unusual pharmacy. And so we're going to get into the ins and outs of that. But the case of of it. That i wanna talk about is selling cannabis oil right. We are the moment. Yes bain for the probably lost threes right in so booming business. The sal kind of a an increasing. It's very competitive with that. Wave increasing volume on coast. I've worked out a system with regards to dispense face taping affordable for the patients Wearing mainstream pharmacy. That seem to be doing that. They just putting on a big fee and We're trying to keep it low so The patients and get the most out of it Where non pbs pharmacy. Which means we don't get any money from the government wrong So we do private prescriptions and compounding businesses compounding and so with fat. I thought it was the good fit with medicinal cannabis and actually fits in without integrative medicine model that we do. And it's not all about medicinal cannabis because part of therapy is the overall approach to it. Not just taking a medicine of whatever it is. That's what we like to try and do it. The practice say About with that we have the it's getting we're doing more more scrip volume I've had lots of discussions with a lot of the wholesalers. Because i liked what i was doing. What my model that. I was doing and getting busy and busiest from people. Contacting me me wholesalers of cannabis oil out day. There's lots and lots We deal with probably ten. Probably double triple at with that. You can see them all on the Cd of the drug control website. That's the licenses are given. Oh that's the they. Despite all allies have the rights to import or manufacturer like some of them just imports and some of them would be actually growling it here yet converting it. So of the three years that. I've been involved festival all bicycling coming from overseas money. Money canada. It was money being imported. Now which has its cost involved with that. So that's what keeps the price of that much as more. I've been up here and more product comes in. Competition starts happening more but also the last as being some probably perversion here for probably two years. But now and over the next twelve months much of those companies will have the crops being harvested right here in australia and basically processed So that will even bring the price down even more that can happen in any state. They can broaden with the laws from each state to state but know in queensland. It's one of the Guess relaxed with that. Not that it's easy to do There's a lot of things hoops to jump through. That's for sure. Roy went up china's the wholesalers. If there's a lot of regulation out they said the pipe away growling it. Not that i don't know too much saying the wholesale day money all endorsed climate controlled. It's all automated so computerize. Its it's amazing. It's not a backyard job and then because everything's going to be standard always all the strains and still going to be tested and the difference between what you get a pharmacy versus what you get straight is pharmacy will gripe. Everything's being tried and tested. We've had people uses all people who buy stuff on the street. Then they have different products. We got lots of different wholesalers that we use their products and just the consistency is probably the best word. So the effects that they're getting from versus something straight could be high all over the place. Yeah pesticides all sorts of different things. Residues that's what makes a difference to pharmaceutical grade getting that consistent dose so. I had a friend who was balling stuff. I believe Because his partner was having chronic back pain issues and he was indicating. Maybe there was problems with consistency. And you get a batch and you just don't know what to get and so so you're saying that people that you talked to in a similar circumstance the fawning with wall the pie the money to know the guys every month goes by yes because it's almost on parody with what straight value is really. Yep so they do have to pay for adopter and get the script and tj approval but price per milligram cannabinoid always getting very close to that and getting pharmaceutical quality. So that's that's what's happening so so then you getting that quality of product because we've had the masakasu in at the start of the year. There was a professor there they go and grab all these samples off the straightened test them all wrong and something. That was supposed to be one hundred percent. Cbd so people got walking drive on. This had had lots amount of thc in which it shouldn't be in there with your product doesn't have any thc in it so there's always saying when it could be low in tac or the residues that are in your promo code laws and other things that using pesticides and stuff. So there's all those sort of issues you better explain the cbd thc okay compiled a or cb is kind of a dial cd is the Delta nine it's tetra. hydro can't have annoyed though the tail see from so that's there the two main. There's hundreds of different cab annoyed. These are the two main ones which have the most purpose. But when i say that you these dunk work well and you. They studies out there which that. Cbd isolate does not work as well as a cd full spectrum so when i say full spectrum. That's when it's all the other pains flavonoids and that didn't they. That's what gives the Cannabis oil it's a roma enticed. All the to- pains what code is a entourage effect. So if the say is giving you psychedelic cycle. What do you call psychoactive so active effects. So what you're selling does it have. Thc in it. It does right so what we have so. Do you want me to go through. What products like the phones. I come in. I guess might be the best said april nine. What's because there's probably thought that all medical cannabis was probably not going to have a psychoactive companion. That would be thinking you're not gonna get high on it. They can and people do if i get did. Cetron roy to try and talk about. What was a cannabis oil the dry so we have dried flower and different grades or something. That's high in thc low. And cbd all the way through an equal all-wise fruit to grow to get the various. That's why all the way down to join cbs lohan thc. And it's something that i Veep that smoke such as different in combustion there which different benefits stuff that people fight oil. It's droid forbidden thoughts. Because i've never been into cannabis at all at once. I think seventeen that was it for me. Never touched at ryan did infrequently. My understanding of vaping is if you're not a smoker and you're not used to inhaling spike it's really awkward inviting just doesn't kind of smack but it releases via the oils viper is up and then you embrace viper getting that smoky. Coffee is the difference between which they say has a lot of the the argus bad effects associated with smoking marijuana. If you want to call it that Is those other toxic chemicals that come through the high combustion in spiking this vaping. It all comes down to temperature and there's a difference in what vaping machines actually using his. Let's get back to oil so you do people agony. Thc is going to give them a little bit of a high lord. I guess the problem is he What's average what's normal sort of thing on if he could take my. I'm cain on people with a chronic back. Pine is the sort of person. I have in mind as somebody who could use this sort of stuff and i'm just trying to think of what's typical for somebody like that to experience if they're gonna guy through this path of legal so if we were doing doing that let's say what thought processes could be happening. They could be dosing and getting them. In nation the medicinal cannabis so starting from scratch. It is a tj approved processes get approval because these medicines are all money unregistered at the moment they will become registered over time. More studies and evidence coming out from the wholesalers. Put everything together to the say. Yes you can now trade it for this this and this and that at the moment. That's why you've gotta go through the tj decide. My patient has. This is on the approved list for that. Yes it's okay to be treated with this and then have to at least tried the mainstream medications for that disease. So that's a tick in the box to say yes go. We ask people if that's one of the first questions and say i don't wanna try mainstream medications but you have tried. Yes that's ticks still. I even tried in the past. They may not have to be on it now. It just prove that they have because that's part of the process of tjs. Okay so something like something either law or it doesn't work for me and i you've tried that now you're and for whatever reason it's not suitable now you'll mice there will be doctors. I now you good to try. Yeah so they could be on n. Dined lyrica gabon. Hinton emma trip to them all these other pine taught medications which in that case. We don't site stop. It's all about tied trading medicinal cannabis op to be able to get a c. Symptom relief once. You've got that and this is all done on the with your help if you found his new doctor money doctor for that but the pharmacy can give. Advice is basically then taught trading the other pine medications down. And i might be able to bring them right down and come off completely or reduce them right down and would people typically do this through the normal jay pay or do they normally end up. At some specialists canvas dr specialized medical cannabis clinics. But you can do this ria. Jp but typically what would happen. You seeing many sort of wouldn't suburban gp's to dabbling in it. People tend to get to a special and more and more doubling or interested in it whether they then refer them onto like a specialist clinic We have our own clinic. with medicinal cannabis as part of an integrated medicine. But they're all plenty of other clinics out there as well. And i guess the advantage of that is that these doctors know they were in the tgi. They've got templates. And now it's all set up. Some are even authorized prescribers. Which mean they don't have to do the the tj approval anymore because they've done so many of them that have applied for special status. Decide that i understand this medication. This disease state the now that can then go and just write the write the prescription. Because i've now got authorized per prescriber status and every six months. They just report back. Saying hammond unite prescribed united. They may get an order that sometimes something on that but that's the beginning to clinics to foster process because they're experts they know better but gp can do it it just it might take them out to try and work at all the pipework that's associated with it and you you'll you'll still walk out a without a script. It does take because my stage priciest with him. Did you go to apply for the. You've got to get all that tickle. The boxes and then if if the backside now rejected all plays provide more information so the doctor will have to provide more than then. We'll get approved mindfully and then the doctor will write the script so then you have to see the doctor get the script. Then you've got get pharmacy order. It get it to spend so it's a bit of a process i can. I got back. Pine i've been through the prices so you've got this saturday and you've got this. Thc up the ladder one giving giving you. The high does the proportion. He's talking about the proportion shining either time as you. What would necessarily be on a high proportion of wine rather than the other end is at heart so site so with those and you look at how both of them work Thc tends to work on. Cbs one receptors the cb. Once there's a lot of other receptors but they're the main ones tse works on cb one and a little bit on cb to Nc between is is So that's where they tend to work and the cb one is more in the central nervous system and that's where the very helpful in getting into their and helping with pine run. It's not that cbd's not good with pine. It is good with pain. But it's more to do. With periphery and the immune function run. Saw say somebody with holly inflamed arthritis. That is painful. But it's an immune function that would really benefit from a combination of both thc ncb and overtime and the whole thing is starting on low doses. So it's not like everyone's sitting they told at a at a class went to that. It's it's a quivalent to adjoin. Is like twenty times. As strong as what someone's dosing in medicinal cannabis the law. So the flooding the receptor straightaway. We starting low tightening up the smart change every two to three days by very small amount. That why you're gonna get less side effects happening in your mind getting the side effects from the. Thc a lot of people don't notice too much on the cb the side effects and that's reminding get the side effects as in someone's try to quickly so they are getting that euphoric effect and the guard. Dont feel feel a bit strange especially someone who is is elderly. Who is we got a few elderly patients on this. Nfl doing really well now album at i. It's hard for them to try. Because it's not like dr to said take one capture element was it. This is trading the dice up to see what works for you depending on your disease state and what's happening so we've had frankie or on the podcast to legalize hemp groups and one of these stories was the band is expensive. It is for people who are getting the legal version as opposed to the illegal version. Save already mentioned that with the illegal versions. There's a problem of consistency. I guess if people were growing their own they could start to get a feel of consistency for whatever they're growing themselves if they grind sign plane. We'll talk but they possibly done much of anything about growing. But what i have been told is different strains to do and when people are into it they're doing but are being entire like you can get a different strain but really grows well grows its to its fullest extent indoors versus something. That's outdoors was all the different weather environment so it can make a difference but that is a bit much that now. This next question is going to be like. How long's a piece of string which is the question. This is a custom body to say beyond this. What's what is it got. Chronic back pain. Sally need a hit at nighttime to help me sleep and not the mind sort of thing. I guess so mom what people facing in dollar terms cut couple of years ago. It was five to seven hundred dollars a month for just the basic. It was just really expensive. It's come down a lot because there's a lot more competition a lot more product into the market in that time. Lockout cheapest product for forty mil bottles. Probably think it's ideal for forty mil bottle of something. The twenty milligram of a cd asked six seven cents per milligram of cannabinoid. So had would say something contains one hundred milligrams of cbd per meal and it's a thirty meal bottle. Let's got three thousand milligrams of cannabinoid. So then you times that by six cents to get a rough field on how much it is but it all comes down to doug's someone on an epileptic is going to take a lot higher dose versus somebody else who is going to get relief bicycling on lower die. So that's why it's tied. Trading taught trading up getting symptom relief after wall. I'm gonna be out of come down. Say to the dice. Dan it just to see how that goes with them as well. Eighty nine dollar bottle. You mentioned yup. Helen's echina- last me. If on and i know it's difficult question because everybody's different. Yep but would you say i. I wouldn't be surprised at that last two weeks. Four weeks like something like at it all comes down to dicing the twenty milligram per meal. We see a lot of people on laced one meal twice a day with that. So i forty meal bottle. Twenty die supply ryan. Yeah can there's a lot of health insurance companies. That is giving some rebates back now. I'm at the they weren't before but now we've noticing a lot of our patients are getting being able to climb back from the medical insurance so that's a good thing and it all comes down to quality of life. What i'm seeing is compared to mainstream medications. Which may get covid on the concession and be cheap and only pay very little. It's the side effect profile. It's a quality alive that enables them to do more so therefore they're willing to pay more for it and that that's the sweet spot with regards to all this finding what works for you because we do have people silo come. The side effects that the mainstream medication is giving me. I'm now not only being able to get my pain under control but when you got your pain under control. And because of medicinal cannabis is what i call multi modal. It works on various receptor systems in the body. Unlike just one receptor system if you're trying to target pine there's a lot of other things in the body that just get better. Your quality of life gets better. And how do you really put a price on that. I know you can. But it's i thought for some people. You could have a nine dollars bottle that lasts a couple of weeks at least like less than what you spending on coffee. And obviously they're going to other people with karnik pine other issues with just enough xactly which could be hundreds of dollars a month with with with that and that is the price like we were quite happy. tell people we're set dispense fee. It's set. I tell people that's how much i buy it in. We're not making loads of money. They ended that. It's thirty dollars the first bottle five dollars for the second. That's it pharmacies. A charging fifty sixty dollars per bottle as dispense fee if the product cost me one hundred dollars to buy in on three hundred charge. The same dispense fee. Yeah so it doesn't with regards to that. I'm trying to get it to the patient. So it can be more affordable for them and you'll patients assigned the ones that have been balling stuff illegally. Assign really. i'm kind of getting to the point where it's matching the up the street price. That's what i've heard. Because i'm not on the street. Buying it does neither. That's what i'm being told with. That and i cannot believe that is that are telling me with regards to that information. You have the nicer the grand god's to to that but it's Somethings like that then. You are then getting that pharmaceutical grade. The difference in quality has to make a big difference. Then you know some people go. It is if you haven't had that disease well if you haven't been diagnosed with the disease state haven't tried any other medications. It's hard to get to hanes on there. For people will go to the black market to do then but having a professional care under a doctor especially one that does know their way around medicinal cannabis Definitely does make a difference with that because there's a lot of different things that just do get better. And you're saying that personally for you if it was legalized people who drive themselves really wouldn't affect your business at much. You feel that people will want the monitoring and i will want the consistency and now the whole sort of advice package that comes with. There's always the other people go and do the right thing because it all comes down to education some people are really switched on how much people do know the patients and there's others that don't know anything and they they're looking for that advice and other things that they can do to help the Therapy and that's where you can get that advice from a health professional and and maybe get it right the first time rather than Trawling era miccosukee. I've heard of some ingo. Thought you give something a try. Just with tr- Trial and error. That can take a bit longer to get to your therapeutic approach where you wanna get to To be able to get symptom relief but yeah definitely having a pharmaceutical grade versus some that you don't know is what the quality is also just the advice from a pharmacy. Poignant famous point of view but also from a doctor as well especially those that arcade up in it and because it's not like to see there's a lot clinics out there that that's all they're selling is just medicinal cannabis. That's all they're doing. I don't think it's It definitely helps a lot of things but it's not just take this and everything will get better. It's all i believe. It's a combination with dot and lost all stress and lots of other things that that build up this whole. Okay i'm gonna try challenger bussey the full. Your and i was explaining what we're going to talk and said something to the effect of well. Does the medical evidence really backup. Declines like euler bit sort of because you just said well it does work to some extent is is is there consensus of scientific opinion that the cannabis oil works is that the consensus like climate change or is there a divided scientific community on this issue. I think it stone divided because you do have professionals that are saying this is the way that medicine is Watch this thing that's coming in. It's been there for a long time such but now that it's legalized to be able to use it. A lot of doctors are on the slow up tyke until i see a patient. Go away from them. Then come back and go okay. What's happened to you. And then they want to get more involved usually comes from a family member themselves or another page or patient of as is gonna wind comeback. That gets the more involved. Because i just don't want to believe it's easy to say not enough studies. There's lots of studies worldwide y-. We're doing a lot here in australia. There's probably about thirty or forty on the go right now in australia wrong. That's getting more evidence towards these disease states but it's really interesting. The list of disease states that do well out of it. It's not just targeting. One day state ron. So if you wanna fond of a scientific paper the denounces it doesn't work that you're gonna find a hate beside does the and more and more overtime i think because we couldn't study it before now we can study it. So that's why the studies are a little bit behind with regards to that timing. It takes time to do this. I would study. You want a fair amount of tolan So that guy with the ones that are overseas bring them in then. Some reason every country in the world has to do their own studies. Prove something works. So we're doing all the studies here And dialogue becoming the next probably three to five years. And that's why we'll probably see more of these initial products get registered with tj as opposed to be not registered at the moment. I can't say family. Dishing out this stuff or donna. Dozen there everywhere. Don't but your place is a little unique. Because because riot we have good arrive on tells the robot so the robot ate We've had it now probably installed about two three months. It definitely makes a massive difference to our workflow. We hopefully will be the first community pharmacy to be certified to store and dispense sites Control substances like indiana medicinal cannabis and things like that from the robot. So i there's a couple of hospitals that are currently doing sites via the robot and it's illegal to do so so we'll be. We've had to jump through a lot of red type to be able to do that. And it's got to make it worthwhile for a streamlining of processing all our scripts but the robot just because we're in the pharmacy in the city. Double anywhere when we're off my health compounding pharmacy and medical one fifty seven. We can terrace in springhill where to level business basement and ground ground level and surrounding any tiny compared to the big box pharmacies. So robots wilma basement and we have a defense system called fred. So fred and wilma. And so we have system of lifts and conventis that link old together between upstairs and dan stays five dispense pods that people can be dispensing at and it all comes from the from the robot saying this mechanical arm just travels up and down the narrow corridor after coming in because a lot of people. Just think it's this thing with arms but basically it's like a shipping container. It's got to convey about way with the scanner. Scans everything that knows what that product is the anytime you use the barcode after that and basically the rival guys and picks it up puts it on a shelf it knows where all the size of the shelves all the spicing between at all. It's so super fast. Adjust whizzes around and guys and pisces. A product is basically puts all your stock away for it planes. The shelves for you does dyke checks. Does everything else that which do because no one likes doing it but so it does all that for you. I can do ordering for. You is when you're when you're in the pharmacy as a customer. Can you see. We've got it on a big screen that they can say connex because it's down in the basement camera that can say yep so they can see that in action and then all of a sudden lift takeoff draw drops it onto conveyor from the robot when you got to dispense it wants to dispense liable gets printed. The robot looks for the product. It'll go and put it on a conveyor belt conveyor belt one goes to the dispense pods. Dan stays the other guys directly to the lift. It's a very fast. Lifted shoots straight up to the conveyer upstairs. And then there's a couple of different arms so it all depends on which spiral you're working from and then it pushes it off to that spiraled and it comes you grab it scan the barcode then to make sure it's the right product. Dispense liable. check it all. Stop to stand the plug in olean and comes danamon uncle. So it's amazing feisty feisty spending dispensing still talk to the to the patient while avai robin have to search for shells and search things. You can see what stock levels you got. It is really efficient. On or i'm glad i got it even though covert hit at the time. But the government's giving us some Actually that so it's quite good. He's is it. Jim in might eighties. German might video again and people can just drive through and pick up. We do have a dry tree. Yep that will hopefully be a robotic. So they scan a barcode or a pin number and then they product to be released to them at the moment. It's just all done by human by a lab. Ticks down the lab. We press abaza. It's all going to be prearranged. Say you've ordered. You paid with counsel them. We sent them a texas. I when it's down the latest. Come through and pick it up now. Just getting back to the cannabis prescription. Somebody's wants that. You can actually price to yes. It's illegal to get through the system security. It's going to be so it's not just general post i k- it's going to be expressed signature attract. Not so as long as it tracked. It's von he's been a little bit hard with covert because they have been left at some places which the patients on happy about but because people assigned what we bunket you to so in fort in. So i'll be glad when he's finished because it just doesn't make it a little bit safer sending it through the post that way with signatures with tracking but yeah that's that's all fine with with mining days. Mike i'm writing and they've under slightly different topic still within your fantasy. If i did a guy they're gonna give me some weed. Cato coffee or something i can do. If you wanna kate coughing. we do. General normal coffees as well right. What's keta coffee. Coffee is a blend of we do. Grass-fed unsalted grass fed. Butter mc t. o. would meet in china triglycerides from coconut oil. We have a blend of amino acids this little come together through through. Bulletproof is basically where the idea stemmed from. And i thought would mind trying to make that. As a few years ago we had amino acids as part of our keanae program and then the burston mucking around. And let's put the amino acids into the mix and that just happens to be two of the amino acids just happened to be a sweet amino acids so they're actually make. The coffee tastes so much better. That's why al qaeda coffees the best coffee anyway. I think rather than milk it's oil. It's a shot of cato. It's basically short coffee or two shots a coffee. We have how we do that within. Twenty thirty forty sixty grams if you would not designed to go a sixty gram straight up. And that's the amount of you're having so you having in that fat mix. It's basically like i said unsalted grass fed butter. Mcat all blended together with the amino acids in that scoop dad inside twenty grams. Throughout general kid coughing ron popped in filled up with water and then basically through our neutral. It's it's emulsified on and it goes nonprofit got milk and it looks like milk. Yep entice kind of reminiscent of milk. And we're gonna pay coffee drinkers. The night just preferred akita right. Doing keita right. Yep and the healthy fats. Real good fares. Nothing wrong with nothing wrong with. Mcat oil and we've got a lot of supporting studies with that because we've been wrong with our dog boss with a lot of things a lot. Well this interesting thing like We've i was telling you before that on this podcast. We've had some big i. I've things like covid lockdowns whether they work or not. It's quite annoying that. The science is divided on this to the extent of these. I think it's relatively strong. Mean five markdowns being appropriate but there's a significant number of seemingly well credentialed scientists who will say the complete opposite to a number of other will credentialed. Scientists have what you'd haven't in. I'm a big fan of saint harrison. He makes the point when it comes to diet that. Despite all the efforts made it science for generations. We still don't have a scientific consensus on. What a good diet. He's it's so hard to do. I go thin. Let's see a blinded study. You have to lock people up in a room which you can't do that anymore. Lock them up and feed them certain things and see what happens. It's just not possible and to control only other factors out and to get most of bicycling down with insects set of questions. What did you eat the last week months six months. Can you ever remember. Most of the time so i like the way the down to just look at by chemistry really biochemistry. Marcus want with disease states. What is mark is showing when it's worse when it's better and if you've got to dot that can influence that too shy that that's what you're looking at with regards to health and longevity and if you've got a diet that can one it makes that worse one it makes it better. That's quite good. And there's a lot more evidence coming out with regards to. I'd probably more lower carb. There is kato sort of things but lower cobb just getting that inflammation down processed foods down with that going vegan pilot and all the other movement cetera out bay if all those groups just get their cobs down and gate more natural sources. Everyone's half would be better and then you can go off into different if you want to go. Just an extreme form of cobb. Es you gotta be at least twenty to thirty grams of carbs died to get into keith hostess and the like what's called lake keta so basically you cycling carbs in your actually going then. Indicate hostess same over wake. You might do that. you're just planning. Your dice are a lot of people. Aren't doing a minute fasting. Two days a week in that. Tom fall indicate hostess. There's parts where you can actually do. Extended fasting say five to seven. Days are much more than that and i think the gut needs food but that is definitely beneficial before the taj effects that you get from that and there's lots of guys won nobel award back in. I think two thousand sixteen for towfighi. There are different phases over tougher g. Well you can't get it just from doing a sixteen now fast. But i think you get the more beneficial effects when the full spectrum of has been unlocked the potential when you probably getting into three to five die fasting different. It's actually when you get into sus. Hold that for them. Put up on zoom if people are if anybody wants to zooming with a question about anything talking feel free to zoom in and have a checklist. So kito sus mean what is. Your body is producing ketones. Let's take a fat from effect. You've got your triglycerides fatty acids. They made up of Bliss role and you fatty acids fatty acids go and get made up into your Kittens and your guest role to join together to form glucose. You don't actually need to eight cobs for your body to mike cobs wrong. If you're a cop fueling your body weight my key tons right. Something's how four starvation and things like that. It isn't a why but it's a trained. As opposed to not be an acre someone stopping you there is a method around it and knowing what processes in your body that you switching on and switching off So anabolic processes kalibbala prices as in building up cadillac building building. Which is what happens when you're in a toffee. Your body will go through and search for all. These useless sells really. That aren't doing much good on the lower rank. You go to the good ones outperforming them. They basically the body guys in scavenges and guys in eight allies in recycles them in batam off energy on a weekly isis. Planning at this sort of fasting and and chinese dots. Much what i used to. But basically i don't eat breakfast might be once a week. I eat breakfast. I do foster to lunch every day. And then with that sean explain. Try inside the people. It's all about you by chemistry If you can eat certain foods to get you by chemistry to do a certain way. That's what i'm about not a certain type of diet and that's what low-carbon kahlo happens to happens to do by doing that. You set up a cascade of really beneficial pathways in the body. Let me just say eating. Lots of high. Cobb processed foods sets up the cascade of inflammation and all air flannery disease states that we have today. You can reverse within a week within a week which is amazing. Now at the medicine can do that on the pharmacist. It's quite interesting. Some people find it hard to do. Because of if you're a high cobb ada and all of a sudden you go you stop eating carbs and your just concentrating eighty on protein veggies and fats your body because you set your ends. On system up bacteria system up all year receptors. All set up to do a certain thing and then all of a sudden you want them to change that takes time and long usually anywhere between a week to two weeks and also what we find also way primary. Have kate i program way. Give people the ends on fuel to help end on. Stop making the. Kate hines for them behind you. Baby hydroxy be right. We actually give them beta hydroxybutyrate for the first ten days right. It's just a kick them along their bodies got in their system. It's getting used to it because that it's very hard because your body has to use all kitchen there's a lot of processes happening And you Heading to have like a linear law. And you've got glucose fueling at one end kato in the at the other. They opposites of each other in the middle. You got that passover point and people over that ten day period pasta at that point and some people got. I'll just have a little muesli by. It's healthy isn't it. It takes you back into the glucose fuelling. You'll feel good for half an hour. But then you'll feel crappy again so you're moving away from your target you target. You should've eaten probably chunk cheese morbid a protein and you'll head more towards the kito which way want to be once hit kito sus. It's quite amazing the The feeling that you have in your body your brains which is on your body stops aching. That's why this actually revs up the cannabinoid system. Would talking about tonight your prices with that. Because you've got an end system you've got all these receptors and by switching on these different pathways in the body. That's what's happened. Tie theory is it again. Dislike with the canvas theory. There are bunch of scientists. Decide this works and there's another bunch decide. This guy doesn't like it all it's another divided. Profession type of thing is with that. Because how do you. If you've been saying something for so long as this harry suddenly change on and i'm quite happy to look at the research that's out there and change my views as i see the research changing but there's a some professionals out there that just won't change it no matter what Because they've been doing for so long. Had you actually then ceo was wrong. You don't want to say you were wrong. You looking at research back then but then you start looking at other research. It's a hard one for professionals. I say that another one is industry cannabis industry if your specialist. That's backed by some other big pharmaceutical company. You're going to keep wanting to talk about that. Pharmaceutical company cannabis just happens to get people reducing their dose of a lot of mainstream medications under the guidance with dr But it has that potential as well depending what the medication is but also as a challenge to the existing structures. Yeah it is. That's what i definitely see. That definitely see that in in Politics with regards to the food industry. Look at the food. Industry that the subsidize. That's all that subsidy that is basically going into making a fat. As far as i'm concerned with the high cobb processed foods and that's all the grind vice industry and everything else that it is quite a big industry. That's going into making those processed foods and it's all subsidize a definitely makes it cheaper trying to go back to fresh organic if you can but less processed possible veggies protein. Good healthy fats. That's the basis of of healthy healthy living for the body to function so just to question he can put nine of his business and website. Up plays yes. I'll do that in this show nights. They'll be a link so we'll do that again. What else do we want to get through. it'll Do you have any questions coming from this. Nobody wants zooming by the sounds of things as see anyone. That's good. what do we still get it through the did me. I think we got to answer that tidally. So we have the dry products have different amounts of txz and cbd. We have products that have all thc and very little cbd is in oils that have high thc and low cbd and then some people that because of driving they don't wanna use txz because it is illegal to drive with txz in your in your system. Yep that's all being spoken at at the moment but it hasn't changed yet hopefully in time it's all about in payment the saying if you had a dice within four hours you pretty willing paid to drive. I've fallen so active. When people tested a ride saw drug taste. Yup it's testing just for ti tse. He doesn't know it. I see as asarco active. That's why they're interests. Because i can in pay driving but it's like alcohol alcohol alcohol on your breath but what limit what amounted having the and. That's a bit unfortunate. Any they can test for that at the moment. It's either there or not now in canada. They've got if you have your dose the night before we can draw the next day because you're not impair the next day if you had the dyson night before but still system in so if you had one dice right now it being assistant for probably one to three days if you're consistently dosing you'd have to stop four and depending on you saw your body. It is highly felix into fat. You could stand your body up to seven to ten days. And that's a long time It's still get done done done for that. Ten days off. head. Joe las dos. So it is an issue for a lot of people. I see people that do after dry for living in that. It's really hard for that but also see other people that just go quality alive bates this so i'm not gonna draw because i need the. Thc to have my quality alive and that's up to the person we've seen people go. I do not want. Thc and the doctors because if someone's on trade pine cbd is good for pine better and having a balance of that is good so we see people move from cb they say on feeling some effects but not full effect so therefore to go on some will definitely help they do act with each other from tacoma did at the start of the year. The best thing i got from it was thc. You've got inflammatory. Saw declines in the body. So there's in lucan one to six. I think there's i fifteen seventeen and twenty three they inflammatory ones. Your anti inflammatory ones. Ten eleven thirteen you test. These sorta coins they're inflamed in the body Implying that are said so say in pain that's highly inflamed so. Thc helps bring those down right. And what cbd does is bring up those good ones that i said ten eleven and thirteen so i by bringing up that balance. And that's what that's what. The camera system is cold and cannabinoid tyne. So it's about time being balance. So most people who have some sort of chronic disease tight or something. The bodies known imbalanced by the system is out of wax i by varying these doses of the thc and the helps bring it back into balance depending what they're trying to train taught them up how to bring the dose down to la. They were when costume as much. Because i've got that tone back and especially if they have done a lot of other lost all modifications as well it can definitely help With with all of that. So we've got someone in the chat room. We got someone in the chat room or in the chat room. Sorry i can't put them through a safe. We can tell you there actually yet but is yet we got. Don't done don long long time. Second time as i don. Today's question is always a few months ago. I was diagnosed with diabetes so dependent babies. Now it means. I'm looking at a means of top macabre roy back of a lot of mistakes back and for the first few months. I was just hungry all the time. Nemo bodies adapted to it I'm finding of loss of loss of tunnel item. Going from one hundred and seventy kilos to log. Naughty four six months just from watching what. I'm eating eating more protein and cutting down on the bad fats and everything is is. Is there any particular type of fluid on. Should specifically be avoiding all should be eating that the diabetes like didn't tell me about. Is there anything else that could meeting. For example Been eating a lot of proteins of junior and stuff like that need multiple leafy salads and having Having processed djabel touted mashed potato. I'm actually making mashed potato out of a single potato. Also cut back moi mom meal soldiers from two or three thousand calories about four hundred calories. But i'm eating five tons of night so he's sort of the key touched us in you're talking about or is this enjoyed having a mortgage completely different because of the doctor by he said keep going keep adding fluid always eating and eating within six months. I'll be blind impotent. Postal be limbs amputated and got more tension fairly quickly without and that. That's where the talked to diabetes kenley lead to eventually with that if you don't do something about it and look you've done a great job and what you're doing you probably in the middle of where we see. We get a lot of their clients. Come to us because they've read all the cato blogs and donald. Listen donald locate cookbooks and stuff but they never actually get indicators. Or they're not there for very long or going limiting your amount of calories coming in yes you can lose weight doing that but actually changing how you burn your fuel going to fat-burner does make a difference. You don't have to eat five meals a day as i do sane diabetes. Your blood sugar level will stabilize. It's good it's h h three major meals and snacks in between. I think that's nice so i don't get hungry old nine reason that meeting times a day. So it's For example breakfast Thing even for example breakfast of Of gov moving or six weeks time to having two or three with a cup of milk of the three cups of milk uneven nets even initially always always hungry in your body just slowly adapted until cobb tip picks all together. And you won't be hungry. yay try. Try having spike kanai coffee. You don't have to have k- coffee you can fossil. You're going to have bacon and eggs for breakfast then as better for you to wait big. I've told you that three days a week syria would be recommended rather than wait. Picks of the best serial to have is non No there is no good cereal out there. i'm not i. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about what what it's doing to your blood chemistry we could we could have. We could check your You won't be in chitose. That's for sure our if you're eating that stall but we can help try and with that but basically what it is is we'll we can issue blood sugar levels. We can see them. Go up as you wait for up to ninety minutes afterwards and it comes back down if you've got good control but you can see because i've worn blood glucose monitors continuous glucose monitors on my. I'm not a diabetic. I like the science. I like to see what different foods. What alcohol what being in kito does to my blood sugar levels. And then i'll test cater ends at the same time. So when you're doing that if i have a ketogenic meal my blood sugar levels might guy from four point three to four point five if i eat a high carb meal guy from four point three up to six point three and then back down again that spiking that up it's still within a controlled and what they say normal but you can see the effects of food has on your blood sugar levels and we don't need that excess because it's the yes we use of energy but we can also use fats for energy a lot of people. I like to explain it to people like say you've got two pathways. One is being cut. One is really well. Warm the glucose on the cob fueling the other one is got covered. I've of leaves. it's there it's a process in the body can use. You've got to uncover that and where it dan. Just as much as what the glucose one is so basically when you can choose to jill fuel your body then Instead of relying just on one way of fuelling you jill your your body and you're setting yourself up for the best health that way. I don't believe in full term key. Toasts all the time with a stolen enough studies to say if you're in kito six full-time because you're setting your pathways up to do certain things in the body and doing anything for too long. I think because we have homies isis in the body. It is not a good thing. i think. that's why change. I like cycling things. The body has an amazing way of adapting. Once you get into a routine talk once you're in a routine that's the hard part is at i ten days but once you're in cato. Sus by tracking testing it is the white guy because then that when you go to eat something uganda. Then we get people to track things on an upsetting and see how many cobbs rating and you'll be surprised. how very little twenty to thirty grams of carbs. His it is a very small amount. And how can you. How can knock you advocate on you. That was measuring your blood. Sugar levels Saw was that a difficult thing to get. Hold of a simple thing to just two hundred bucks. I think it was a loss lost. All was cold glucose monitor and hundred bucks. You connect to wi fi. You punch it into your arms. Got a little little punch. It in doesn't hurt and then you keep on there for two weeks wrong. Takes out to calibrate and so basically as long as y- you tap it so many times a day have a look. It's just really useful before your agent during after even. If you're not going keytar what i like to do is you can set your blood. Sugar levels in the so had mindset at the lowest. Wouldn't go anymore. Lower than three point nine nine was lower than that. If fabian thanh specially when i was in keita's and i'll go now issues with being that low it stable so you can set for people that go i want and give give them some homework to say because it tracks it all tracks hatred one. See what it's gonna be as it gets more data you can actually tell people i want you earlier on behind adjusting to cobb's i fifty percent of the time. I want your blood sugar levels to lie within this range and use this The next week you can set it so even even more stricter with that And you can cycle. Let's try and build up to sixty seventy ninety percent of the time. I want you within that range. I reckon that would work well for a lot of people because when you're eating something and you just kind of not having any effect at all whereas if you're seeing something on the screen telling you what's happening with your blood sugar levels. I reckon that would be just dividing today. It makes a massive difference and you can see what actually changes your blood sugar levels stress. Have anything blood sugar levels goes up. It's really interesting effects at At the same time of bull down and doing whites again and back on the treadmill that solves improving this whole process as it does But one of them said in the past reduce your keller increase. Exercise is get it with some but not for others. It's understanding what's happening in the by chemistry and how you fueling your body is the biggest thing. And that's why we like to do Some blood tests on people just to see what's happening with their inflammatory markers. What's happening with a blood lipids to see what is their triglycerides. Doing and we now know that cholesterol is not going to kill us. It's a for fuel for our body and a fuel to make sex hormones so basically we need that it's ldl. it all depends on we. Can we can do all different analysis on our. Ldl you contest in one blood test test. Total ldl we can break it. Down into seven sub fractions. And for someone's dot. I can basically now predict what that graft is gonna look like. And if they're in a high cobb dot that of a big red patch rod over the top of the other markets. In the in the ldl. Segue cold bad. So i don work just to call back in two weeks and tell us Eve stopped eating two weeks morning instead. Having bacon and eggs low and nothing back. You're doing well with reducing portion size. That is that is also good. Yeah as i say for the first couple of always just constantly hungry but after bet a third month have hungry anymore. And i'm just a sitting around watching tv. Just feel snacking as much as i used to. because also the body's going into some sort of weeding of you don't need to be eating every five seconds so and it is trying to body without but also you buy chemistry being key talk. This is definitely helpful and by testing. Then you know exactly where you are so on turnkey toasters. You tend not to get that how it works. What we see with moist people. If they're eating the cubs it's getting into their bloodstream. Insulin's trying to get it into the muscles and everything care sells the rest then has to go and be made in stores. Fat energy to be used for lighter on Is it is worth noting next home against the same doctor for more next. Follow up this worth getting her to send me a reference to someone like you to get all these extra tests done would j. Just send me an email. I'll give you the list of tests that will usually doing. Just get your doctor to do it. But it's understanding. It's understanding the new approach to cholesterol. The new approach to inflammatory markers to actually understand because a lot. just read within the brackets. You within the brackets you're okay. We look at optimal biomarkers optimal health. So yeah we we look at that because if someone says look you cholesterol's too high. We look at cholesterol can be too high. There's different polymorphism states but We look at having high cholesterol than than the general guidelines off. Full that for that reason because they're actually fuel system and they make you six months. We also know that it's not the cholesterol that actually clogs your arteries. It's the actual gleich hated. Ldl glided ldl. Comes from having too many cops by these glucose every time you eating those high cops cops bad we do want to eat some of our good cops for sure but keep them But at the same time. We don't wanna glide kate that. Ldl the the ldl. Because it's like highlighted the liver's got receptors on it for the ldl. It won't allow back in switches flex around in the bloodstream. It actually gets into the blood vessel wall. It's very tiny gets in the proper approaches for that to be cleaned up and be turned into deal which is considered the good cholesterol within that the ldl. Say let's just say it happens two percent of the time in a healthy person so it's never going to call me arteries but imagine it's happening twenty thirty forty fifty percent of the time in unhealthy people. That's clogging the arteries it's forming mass cells. They'll get calcified and that's what's called the arteries that is a normal process. Should occur inside. i don't know what percentage that is but in the lower amount it is healthy process that that should occur and then. Hdl comes at the other side That's not a caring and that's most people have high triglycerides have high. Ldl's of the wrong sort and they have low hdl's because their processes and working for them. If you understood a little of that. I congratulate steve since since his daughter. Bernice thing And i understood that ninety percent of what he's saying what he's saying is h. a. The type of few you put into your system means the performance you get so for example if you'll driving site a seven series. Bmw and you put your regular fuel in it. As opposed to the premium fuel it's gonna chug and fought and spluttering duels with the now. See stuff if you put the premium fuel in it. It's it might. Running is hard performance engines. So go putting the a bit of fuel. India system. means you're gonna get a better performance. Wasn't analogy that that you can mike. Yes yeah for sure. And i i like to look a lot of people. Don't realize the food that does go into your body does make a difference because it's all by chemistry and how it's switching on an off pathway switching on and off air jeans and that's why there's tons to talk about in here epigenetics all the different pathways day switching them on and off and that's what is responsible for a lot of disease days done. Put you off and we're going to have a lincoln the lights where you can get holidays and expecting to see that within end the tracks. La doing pretty well on stop will be very good. Thanks john next on thanks. I can't now nelson the zimring. I can see there was any particular questions that were going on in this. The only him was around the organic. You didn't. I didn't really get that because you don't really sang canucks on its Look there's i prefer probably like a spry. Frail is natural as you can. I do think the main reason if your system is working at its optimum always insecticides and everything else going into your system clog up as much someone who has a highly inflamed system all these different environmental toxins. Lloyd them down even more so by eating organic you taking some of that load off and just trying to but also believe in having a look at what your systems actually doing now and how you can operate yet as well so you'll saying even an organic wait. Picks is a bad week. So that's the point way. Big any sort of muscle. Whatever roundabout lightly pesticidal bacon and eggs in a truly organic Wait pigs to choose probably better fhimah biochemistry. Pot liver is good. Talks a filing. Yeah the residues and everything yeah listen to days. Assigned heating breaks here and has a pizza. Okay so we had the other night. And i'll just mention in passing that your other climbed define these before you became a pharmacist. You're schiff yes. Yes and i was for gosh twenty years say well yes dying if people today walking to a pizza. Capers established in order painter. Some of the pizza recipes were created. Yes well. I develop the gluten free pizza vice many many as a guy. That was interesting with that. At the moment i'm trying to do. We already do kito pizza basis but something else that we're doing at the pharmacy to help still healthy stole food. But something in a rap song keyed. I talk Develop at the moment. But yes the pizza capers. Did that did a lot of the pastors. Their sources back bonani had joined them when they head to restaurants. I'm not too sure how many they got now i. I couldn't handle stock studying renovating houses looking after three kids and running running running that side of the business as well as something to give. Well i reckon we've come to the end of a pretty good ride. He is anything that you wanted to get out of bed that you bet any of these ideas that we've missed the need to cover or gaps in what we've said in particular. Maybe just to recap on medicinal cannabis. The change of saint in my patient population has been quite amazing. Is that a study now but the doing studies but i can say that for more mainstream medications. I dispense every day as well. I don't see that change. It is a massive change. It's making a big change in the body because it is a multi nodal effects either the body versus just working on one receptor. But it's not. Just hey take this and you're going to get better at does work for a lot of people that way too. But i'm definitely into changing dot lost as we have discussed it. Does mike it. Synergistic effect just like having the full spectrum of medicinal cannabis has that entourage effect. You having having a whole lot of things at pie which altogether helping rather than just trying to use one thing. One magic pill medicinal cannabis. Isn't that magic pill but very useful but definitely in combination with all those other things discussed and also with your health professional to be able to go through all those prices with you because there is a fair bit to it once again. I'll put it in china nights where where's your fam- see again. What's the nine is it again. Okay so it's my life my health compounding pharmacy. One fifty seven wickham terrace in the city was also good medical practice for my health medical. We do medicinal cannabis in integrative medicine. They got a coffee shop at the front which kid coffees doing low carb nutrient dense food at the start of next year. Well headey crappy coffee and have the right inside the saints. You was era as good days on very good. Thanks for coming in. And yes i changed into the podcast normally panel discussion. We talk about news and politics and religion quite to this. Go through the back catalogue heavily while we talk that. 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Ep 91: A Pop Culture Mega Storm ft. Daryn Carp

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Ep 91: A Pop Culture Mega Storm ft. Daryn Carp

"Okay guys we just finished recording with darrin carve. This episode is definitely longer than our regular but there was just so much content and we just have so much with her so i really really hope you enjoy. We had the best time hi guys i'm emma and i'm julie and we're the girls behind comments by celebs and welcome back due to one of the most stacked episodes we have ever had cracked or not. Oh my god how every week every week we had to bring in the big for this one because it was too much for the two of us which is y we are so excited we are joined by the host of martinis and murders podcast bravo personality and andy cohen assistant darren car. Hey guy a sly. I'm so excited to be back with that. It's like you never left. I'm intimidated by the forty. Five page outlines that you guys have dropped on me every time i come in just because i'm like i learned so much. It's a lot i get my education from you know and i get class. It is a class like i'm like wait. Who's kim k. and you're like okay here. We go no but what i appreciate about you. You is that you take it so seriously we sent darren. Tricia pages links to videos not expecting her to watch it just like to show her. She comes into like i watch the i know i like. I took notes yes. I'm sorry put you through that. I i can't believe she's my age. I know we're going to get to it but like lots of questions. Answers okay all right so just give you some of the topics. We're talking about today. We're doing a full the breakdown talking miley liam tricia what else really tommy other thing. Oh my god like we've got the jamie foxx split home. I can't wait to get into that justin hill. You set their wedding day. Apparently oh that's a good one. That's a good one. Are you excited. Oh i meant for all of it. Oh all of it yes and for that definitely wanna get invited. Are we talking bethany frankel okay. We're talking bravo would we. We invite you here and not talk about the new free. I think that you guys invite me or to embarrass me about how little i know about the stuff that you guys now. No you hold your own. I hold your it's also it's also worth noting that our first and only live than we ever do that we work and darren was moderated our panel of us and so many people had so many like member that tristen something happened like that so everyone came in they had so many questions and i was like i have no idea what's going on. I want to talk to them about their careers and all about it was the best day was cute. Yeah okay. Let's get into a guys. There's so much we are starting to be as because obviously i. I have to just start by saying. I genuinely believe that liz. Oh is goddess like a gutless truly. I kind of our generation. That's no exaggeration. When i say that that you're right i was true or false. I was sitting there last night in awe. She is like after ten years multiple times. Woken me up and been like i'm just so inspired by it was okay to actually there was a mean going around. I saw it was like fuck. This shit like i have to be competent to myself and stop disappointing eliza idea that hits. I saw that i saw that it yeah. I feel like listen live outside of just being a really good artist. Take the music aside hers. A person is just iconic. I love cheese bigger. She fucking plays that up like it's just it's everything a woman should be. Yes wow right yeah. You're so right. I know one time. Darren told us that our account was just re tweeting instagram. Oh my god you guys looked at me like we. We never thought about that and like you anything for five minutes. It was the smartest thing anyone ever say. Thomas edison was shaking shakey. I literally say profound anytime you speak. You're so smart. You said that one thing of tweeting birds cigarettes so true hilarious. There are a million other things. I want to just talk about lenny kravitz for a second because he walked on the screen and he was sexy. I mean okay. Let me tell you that julian. I spent a lot of of time talking about jason. Momoa yeah which is obviously his wife's husband and just about like what he would be like in bed and how badly would love to sleep with all these things and then lenny kravitz. It's comes on and i'm like wait. Jason who like genuinely forgot for a second does the opposite of what lisa bonet went through by the way. I know i granted. I'm gay but i like lenny. Lenny kravitz is sexier than jason. Momoa and jason momoa was like man leave with lenny kravitz a sexier like if you can play an instrument or feel like you know to move your hips apps facing tomorrow doesn't autumn hips no but he lives on a bed correct but then you like tag team lenny kravitz to like do the motion in the ocean. Oh you see how okay smarter than the smarter than not be a harvard professor. You blow me away. I also wanna talk about. There's so many things okay j._j. And bella on the red carpet first off let me start by saying that there was so much tation going in tonight that was gonna come with tyler cameron obviously from the bachelor com desperate as her date which she did and she ended up walking the carpet with bella bella. Did you see how amazing they looked. They they look. I mean they're always look like they could be wearing sweats and they would still look like perfection. I hate them because of it last night. Just jealous yeah yeah don't actually hit them. Last night was another level though the whole. I don't know it was just a vibe. There was something about there's an energy. There was a glow like a halo around them like goddess lee just walking down like airbrush brush and wind in their face looked great. They did which we're gonna. Talk about separately but we may as well do now. Which is the whole tyler g. Apparently we've gotten confirmation from multiple sources. They were at the after party together and apparently very touchy the whole night yeah like making out the whole night but can we break this down because like okay. If i'm tyler yeah i'm gonna be mpg and teaching hadid is like flirting with me. I'll be flirty back yeah but aren't are they kind of like playing in like. Do we think g._d._p. Really likes him. I have to say i'm not one hundred percent sure but i wouldn't be surprised if she did. I mean i feel like everything we've seen of. Him is like points in the direction of like why wouldn't she. He's super handsome. He's super this like super that but she could also get anyone so. I just don't know how genuine it is but can i make a counter to that. Which is anyone like. You look like g._d. Circle right so like all the supermodels. She's not the most clout chasing one by any means like she's very low key. Even if you look at relations was ian who's are much more famous than tyler. You know what i mean. I think she likes the privacy. I don't think she'd be doing it for that. Honestly right i mean i feel like the public loves it so much and we're so standing for it in every single way that we like we wanna see something. Could you imagine in that. He's just like a contractor goes on asher at an dates g._e._d. The way i feel about him well two things i feel like she was cloud chasing. She would've brought him to the v._m. As i feel like that's that's just such a no. That's true yeah that's true and the other side of that is the way i feel about him is that he is so unbelievably good looking that it's almost like it would have been a tragedy for him not to go on the bachelor and get noticed because it's like what you were just gonna live your whole life and not have the whole world know how handsome you are of course you had on reality t._v. Yeah and totally understated about you. He never knew how good looking he really. Yeah is never knew that now he knows a he's got more followers than his two point one million followers which is way more than most of the other like pre from years and years and years. He's the most popular guy that's ever come off of a franchise best looking objectively. I think he's going to completely break away and just do. I think in kabul now you're gonna forget that he was. That's how he started. Yeah i agree with that. My i pray that he's i don't and i don't think he will be the bachelor like i really truly think that would be the biggest mistake he can make heat. He's not going. You know we can get anyone. Why does he need to like. I wanna say settled but you know what i mean. I think it's going to be you think yeah. Why wouldn't it be peter. I hope for peter peter's a pilot he super cute. You know i feel like he kind of not a bad rap like handed in. I thought he was going to go to the final two anything if not win and he didn't everyone know he's got the sexual prowess they had sex and a windmill more times o. <hes>. I think it's going to be him. Can you a question though and you know we're not super into the bachelor nation one thing but i'm learning more 'cause we started the conversation count yeah. A lot of people are saying derek. What are your thoughts on that. The only reason i think people are saying derek because of what's been happening on bachelor in paradise and derek retreated demme who sort of came out about paradise with such gravitas and just exactly how when you're telling someone this really personal secret about you and and he responds. I'm just happy you trusted me enough to tell me that as an adult and as a man i think the world was like wow yeah i'll take a page from derek paths book and right in what world are we taking a page from derrick pitts book derek so i can make fun of him yeah. I think that's like sort of a sign of the. I think just like a popular thing right now. That's in the zeitgeist being like oh look. We just want derek to be happy but i can't see him being about listen. I don't know i i grew theon peter one. It's he looks exactly like a bachelor needs to look like i know and i know that's kind of sad. I wanted to be mike because mike was so smiley. They need a black guy on there. I like yeah are forty. Whatever it is like diversity. I mean jesus your lord but he's been a bachelor in paradise and i don't know if he's like interesting enough to carry the whole season. I mean that's the thing too is like you have to be kind of well. It's kind of like for example clay so handsome so good looking. There's no way that most boring person i've ever come in contact with. I gotta tell you just don't really. I have to tell you something about this. One episode sort of aspirin paradise helmet his i know because i am getting into al was nicole right when he was sitting down. He said maybe ten times like you know. You're just a very attractive attractive girl very tight i was i started screaming that it can say but then when he another guy he was like you know she's obviously a really boost bibiana like she's obviously a really attractive active really pretty really hot girl and i go you just named three symbolize that have nothing to do with anything other than her looks confused. I was like supposed to like a good guy like do you like. Do you think she's funny have good morals. Nothing nothing. You can always tell the people don't go deep conversation yeah it was. It was fascinating okay so we got so off track. I don't know i know sorry on yeah. We'll get back to bachelor. <hes> i want to talk with the jonas brothers for a second. Please walk walk. Walk everyone through you really experiencing like you're having a moment when they are performing you were i was because i feel like i've been having this moment. Recently with the jonas brothers where first of all we were at your cousins sends and they were talking about we're at cousins and they're like little they're like five and two and they're like we're only allowed to play soccer on alexa once a day like because their their parents had to limit them because they're so oh obsessed with them and i just think it's so funny watching this generation having like a same but completely different experience with the jonas brothers and growing up with them because they were of your generation yeah they were generally yeah like the we're like nine obsessively twelve year old being like sogo rather south in like sleep with the jonas brothers tonight. I'm i'm gonna wear leggings and a skirt shorts others gonna want. It's crazy that the difference of twenty years you can have an experience with the jonas brothers and they're still like twelve years old now. It's so so good looking at like. I can't like we thought they were good looking then. Oh my god joe jonas fuck me up. Jonas fuck me up last night when he walked on julia's like fuck me the thing i mean i know we're gonna get to lizzie mcguire but even that coming back was really of my like i grew up on lizzie mcguire home. I got back the kids now five year old cousins. We're going to be experiencing that. It's like it's nobody hilary duff's in younger now like hillary. Duff is like a mom of two. Not you know a twelve twelve year old girl playing like a famous singer like it's kind of crazy how these stars and now when i look at like disney stars or look at young stars. I'm like oh. That's an expert spears. Oh that's an ex- jonas. It's like it's so child stars. It's crazy to see it really is. That's a great point. It's so interesting though i know obviously you're not attracted to any of them but i mean i can appreciate you can appreciate so what do you think between nick and joe why having not included in this. I told you i think he's very handsome and i'm not saying he's not but i think i i think most people would say between the two. I think let's throw them a bone okay sorry but his name you're right. You're right so between the three of them. Who would you say is the most attractive active. I think objectively nick jonas is the more attractive one but i think personality with looks jonas. It's always i it's always joe jonas anyway. We were happy for you guys. You killed it last night and sophie the whole soviet thing there. The hunt obsessed with sophie obsess. I'm obsessed with her. I think like that is why i liked joe. Joan makes much more with the personality he got. Sophie like he's got to be greek is actually he's got to be quick. Their relationship is so fun whereas with nick and priyanka. I feel like it's so serious that i ju- i almost don't believe in yeah. No i 'cause. It's not that goofy. I don't get any sort of like. I don't need to see p._d. P._d. but i don't get any sorta personality from either of them. Let me tell you something. The only personality we got in the beginning was mutual to accommodate each other's instagram like hubby heart wife you heart. I think they cook these large bills at that was not faring well with with the public. It was like to try hard and now we see nothing nothing right. Although she did just post that picture that was taken of because she wasn't there last night so there was a picture taken of kevin and danielle hugging kissing after they won jo and sophie kissing and hugging after after one and then nick was just standing there alone so she posted a picture like photo shopping herself into it being like but even that was serious like she could have done it so funny but he was like i'm always with you. Neck the fucking joe because just kind of yeah. It's like up divorced already like that's so much more funny than anything else when you don't have any humor in a relationship i feel like none of us believe it i know and again and what who the fuck are we right. We know nothing but it just from the public. I think is really some more so the stark contrast between her and sophie that that's the issue. You know what i mean. Absolutely if joe was with if someone a little more serious this wouldn't be as much of an issue. You know what i mean. I was at a knicks game and i saw the jonas brothers there and it was just after we got married to priyanka like awake later and it was his first public appearance and you know joe was with sophie and nicholas there by himself and i was like didn't he just get married and and then we had like so many different conspiracy theories like ripping off of that anything that in my mind maybe kind of sketched out yeah i so got it i so well you know. We talked about a lot yeah. I don't have a personal. I mean whether to believe it or not. I just don't have a personal connection relationship whereas i feel very invested in jo and sophie and wanna see every single thing that they did it right where you're like. Save their sex to they've been dating for a while. Then they got engaged and then they had like a vegas wedding unlike so just so comical whereas nick it was like i didn't even know that they were dating before they had this huge wedding in india and then they came back and and that was it like there was no like building to a relationship like oh my god. I'm so excited and they get married. I didn't even know they were dating before they did. I listen i i know devil's advocate is like they don't know us anything in which they don't but we're just explaining why we don't feel connected iraq correct correct but going off of that we have to talk about is all of their responses and like the world's responses to sean and camilla's performance okay. What do we think about this. What do we think about the relationship with performance <hes>. I want to really relationship but we can start with the full. Why don't we start with with you because we only only reason. I say that is because we've set. It and i just want to hear what you think before we get it. She's testing the waters. I think she will say well. I don't wanna seen anything too bad. I don't want to like i don't know anything's conjecture but i don't like. I don't think i don't think that sean <hes> is the person that he's i don't think he says the sex symbol that he's trying to portray that he actually is interesting. Yeah yeah yeah no no no. I don't know like the piece you way to say something like that but i i don't. I don't think him in comilla are together. I sexually i totally agree. She'll manse you know. I think they're very good friends. I think you have a deep love for each other and a soul connection and you know what someone messages and said. Do you guys think there's a chance that she's falling for him. And potentially i just do not see this as a real relationship and aside from anything else and we always say is that their name another couple quote couple that famous that is that is photographed that much it is to publicity stunt right. It's an all came out of nowhere. Someone saw them holding hands and then the whole world just like blew who up on them being in a relationship i maybe it's just because he looked so young to me like you looks like he's if teen where i'm like how could he be and i i know he's hot like i know he's unlike calvin klein. You know buff guy. I know all of that but he looks like such a baby and i i'm. I'm hesitant because i feel like he doesn't know who he is yet yeah well. That's how that's what we were saying like. Objectively looking at him like that is a handsome young man. Hundred percent is ajar line cheekbones that you could not pay for and i. I learned that from stone. I also feel like i have this thing where like if he grew a beard. I'd be like oh my god. Have you heard about this shawn mendez but i'd be like ken sean and no judgement and no girls here like how i interpret it from fans public point of view you you know what i want. I don't really i don't see them together. I think just so easy. It's easy to have a business relationship in the public eye. People do it all the time for those relationships. Aren't oh my god. I was the comparison i made. Oh fuck she. Mitch is what what was it. She was such a good comparison. I said to write it down. It was like the people who believe shawn and camilla couple are also the same people that believe blink. It'll it'll come to us. I know everybody wants to talk with their performance so we should do that. The the performance was on fucking believable dabbled. Saw talent are so talented there so attractive like i was so into it as you could feel the energy but the end tall we fucking wanted was make out. I would have done six shit from you saw sophie turner. She was waiting for that she was like she waited her whole life for them to kiss. I don't even and then they do. The fucking eskimo knows robots like are you fucking with. Don't you think all the press around them as a couple led up to that performance being so good like obviously they're talented and they're gonna put on in a good performance but i think all the rage behind their performance and like wanting them to kiss like waiting for the climax of that was built up from p._r. Before him of choral i don't we talk about the article thing. Oh so listen. I and i'm not saying that this is like a reason to fuel our belief in this but did did you see that entertainment tonight. Accidentally accidentally released an article ahead of the v._m. As that was like sean and camilla getting very close during their performance of like very spicy performance of senorita which granted a lot of publications probably do this where they just like assume of course they were going to but with the speculation of them not being a couple and that article being released. It's like that's not such a good. That's good man fucking all marketing man. It's all marketing. That's crazy also big big big mistake entertain tonight also missy elliott. Just we have to just honor that performance on goddamn icon icon well. That's the thing is we're. We're talking about louis. Oh it's like yeah. Lizards amazing kinda like missy elliott started that all elliott almost created that platform for liz oh like women helping women in that sort of way but even even that type of woman who just like fucking bad ass and like so cool and you like everything she drops and puts out and always reinventing herself and missy elliott kind of went away away for a little bit always in the spotlight she went away for a little bit and then came back with a bang and i look at them together and i'm like yeah they're both great. Icons like nothing bad to say about euro and when cardi hardy introduced missy. That's what she said. She was like you pave the way for a lot of ways yeah. It was amazing the whole i have to say as far as chose go i was entertained for the majority of it yes because the reason why is because it was ninety percent performances yeah and the reason i other words shows have gotten so boring because it's is oh my god we get edit. You want an award congrats yeah congrats. This is like oh my god great. It's a show it's a concert and also some things are being given out like that's why the grammy's is always are always always like far more watched in far more appreciated than the other ones like you have to watch the oscars because they're the oscars right exactly when has fun watching the oscars will yeah yeah or we want to see a mistake like once. We know who wins best actress. I'm done. I don't really care that say for the most part i know but obviously so i grew up on the vienna's and they were hugh grant now v._m. As were lake what our emmys would be in television now. You know like v. oscars now. I don't get that is there because i'm like two old. No it's so they lost their yeah gene allow or whatever well i mean think about it also what m._t._v. was like when you were growing up when we were growing up it was music television was now it's music videos and jersey short and the hills and that's fine. You obviously have to rebrand when you're growing with the way that t._v.'s going but it's hard hard to have a music like award show based around music for mtv when your brand isn't even music anymore right. Don't show any music videos at all and then they rebooted tehran like no washed it. It's like there's no like any person can take the mtv music video words and have that on their platform and not have be m._t._v. There would be no difference in like the weight that carries in my it could have been youtube video awards like if youtube decided to put the cash behind it but you could also have like you know vine leinster's viral video people that would be the biggest thing in the world yeah similar like streams in a way. It's like a combination no for sure <hes>. I know there's other. There's so much stopping. You guys go ahead. No no you're amazing. I wanted just talk okay. We've been super transparent. No we are not taylor swift's biggest fans but i just want to touch in her speech. It was amazing mazing and i didn't see it. Can you highlighted yes. She was just talking about the equality act and the importance of that and she got really put pressure on on government and make make something happen. I always liked that. She makes a statement yeah. I think i want to thank my manager. It's like we know yeah. Make a state assume manager for fans of ours that are also fans of taylor know that we're not what you just. Please know that yes we totally respect about move and good for her. That's awesome good for her okay. Let's talk. Let's talk miley. Okay okay. I i just have to say objectively separate. Everything that's going on her personal life. Everything going on with liam every opinion that you have about like whether the song was tactful or whatever for that performance was incredible and i think her voice is so special and i look. I forgot that you did and you said you said it last night. Julie turns me. She's like i forgot how un and fucking believable. She is no yes. She's not like hannah montana or whatever anyway. Her voice is so i can appreciate this because that kind of deep voice for girl but the way that she can go really deep and raspy. She's kind of losey and he ever think of her like that. They think of this party drug are all. She's kind of the opposite of that like she. She smokes weed and she talks about it. That's literally the only thing that she does but i have to say like with a lot of her. Recent music came out like especially the the. She is coming album album that was released and everything else that she's been doing. I so much prefer this music and the way she's doing to showcase her voice. I think it showcase their talent her growth everything and when she does other like songs yet they're amazing and they're option. It's what the radio wants to play in. All those things like oh my god. I think there's just no comparison said she is so much more depth than just being pop star not that being a pop star yeah. I don't wanna be misconstrued. It's like oh. I'm just pop star but she has a lot more to say and she's so much much more interesting. I saw her do a performance on saturday night live where she was doing fifty ways to leave your lover by paul simon and i'm a huge fan of miley cyrus paul simon i was it's going to be butchered. I watched up performance. Maybe once a week just the way that she carried the tune she did it justice and miley cyrus which sounds weird to carry paul simon it was beautiful. I compared to arianna guerande. I think arianna ground is so much more talented than people give her credit for because she's kind of stuck in in this pop musician thing and i think there's this common misconception that pop music doesn't showcase your voice correctly or not everyone who super talented in vocally as a pop star but like they have the other qualities that make them pop star arianna guerande has one of the most incredible voices really does that i ever heard and i think that the same waist gets hidden because of the pop star label right and like party girls whatever does did arianna have a presence yesterday knows how she wasn't there she did she want anything. I don't remember know anything about her. I almost forgot about it for a second. I was like which now that i'm thinking about in the amount of music that you put out. It's very weird that she didn't. She has the most nominations nations just wasn't there but did were. They wish she's spoken about. I feel like she didn't even have. I don't even remember nations. Besides like billy. Irish wasn't there but she was spoken about yeah. God i love her. She's like a i. If they weren't fourteen year olds go into her shows. I totally go to work. I feel very upset that the music industry is making me choose between lazio and billy bush. I don't wanna choose. I want them both to win. Best new so pissed last night with the fucking choose yeah because like liz. Oh is is not a new artist. She's just new to everybody else everyone but she's not a new artist. She's been around for decades. I mean she was super popular ten years ago yeah just that people who are listening to music weren't listening to lizotte ten years ago. She came with bang. I mean she came back with force. Yes gusto gusto as they say uh-huh you open the door yeah no for sure <hes> i have two. Can we just talk. I just want to get more than anything. I know you were going to do it second but i think that this is a good transition kind of just 'cause i wanna talk about the performance more. Let's just talk about the headlines that were going around surrounding this that we can think more about the performance so last wednesday which was august twenty. I it was when people magazine obtained the documents that showed that liam officially filed for divorce so he cited irreconcilable apple differences and they signed a pre-nup. Apparently they've no community assets so it's going to be a smooth divorce. <hes> allegedly and liam will allow milo to keep the animals. This is julie rates once he went to a burning house to see she can't really can't get which is seven dollars horses too many horses three cats and a pig. Where do they thank you. I don't know they must have the barn can think about as liam wedding into a burning home and carrying too many horses out under his arms but that's why mary miley cyrus. Don't you love animal hours. I'm just such an animal. Take i love the horses and regular horses. I know the minis weren't enough right. Wow what people were saying that the reason that he fit like they were on the rocks walks and the reason that he officially decided to file was because of the picture seeing the pictures of hearn caitlyn on the boat yeah. I don't know how much i believe that but still interesting so that was also on wednesday the same day brody jenner receives the bouquet of weed as a birthday gift from my leeann kaelin and it said we w e we'd like to wish you a happy birthday love you miley caitlyn so just put that in context okay your ex wife who is now hooking up with her new girlfriend the two of them together percent you a birthday gift that you are now posting on your story. Do you always have fucking crazy. This all is are. They definitely dating well. She was there last night with with miley enough so that means anything but did you see. She walked in with her and she had her hand in her head and they were at the after party together because i own i can't tell what's like them capitalizing on press and and what's real. I'm all fired up with anybody the difference between those things now i yeah i'm like okay miley. I feel like i have more to lose then caitlyn would because i feel people only knew caitlyn from brody's. They were married right well. It's not technically but yeah okay but like okay <hes> so let's say wife whatever <hes> because miley is like obviously the more popular yeah <hes> but like i don't want to question i as a lesbian. Just don't want people like being gay because they think that it's cool right. Yes and i'm not saying that that's what they're doing but if they are doing it i will literally. I hate them. Both forever yeah well you. You have much more qualifications arena to speak than we do. I just personally never got the vibe that it was like for. Show like that just because has miley has been so vocal about her sexuality for so long he's she's like half out or whatever she's bisexual or wherever she comes out so i know that that sort of makes sense. I'm here for it if they did it. Legitimately and also listen you. Bring your best friend and you can make out with your best friends and you can just do it doesn't mean you're like girlfriend and girlfriend's yeah. I don't know i think the way aide they classify their relationship as like a romantic friendship that they're not they're not rushing to put a label on. It was what i've been reading but there's definitely something they're i any listen. He's been very vocal and like her attraction to women and i think honestly it's a huge reason that her divorce liam having in the first place. I think that you know from what what i've seen with her and what she's spoken about. I think she is more attracted to women than she like. Maybe in that's why her and liam didn't work out like that. Maybe she realized at the time that she got married or whatever we remember. She did the whole article which i'm very very attracted to women this choose to be my partner and when talking about leeann right so i mean listen. I've no no qualifications to say like yes. This is for show. No it's not yes. They're doing it because they think it's cool. Just that wasn't the part of it that i doubted personally but i mean i don't doubt their relationship. I just think that like when you do something like publicly. Send your girlfriend's ex husband a bouquet of weed from the both of you yeah. That's a really like p._r. Move and it's too much for me but that also says to me. It's a move that also says to me that it's clearly not why like anyone. One got divorced or broken up with. Everyone might have a really good sense of humor about it. I don't believe that because miley was making out with her. That's why liam and her divorce because she's been open about liking women and they're so famous that it's like. You're going to jump your wife because you may not with a girl on a boat. I can't imagine that i'm not blaming you. If that's what you think but then like descended descended brody. I feel like they're all just could friends. That's the question is liam in on it because that's the thing so if liam's not in on it then it's really like this is kind of this is kind of sad just from the perspective of like it's so new he's he would still be so wounded then. You know what i'm saying right so i don't know it's just something to think about. Although devil's advocate could say listen they broke up a while ago and they only had to announce it because of the pictures coming out so who the fuck knows that's true too. I can't see my lee doing it. Maliciously and i feel like if liam we're so hurt by her relationship with caitlin. She wouldn't have publicly done that thinks she's a really good person. On eighty degrees i think her parents have a lot of respect for each other and i think that she was raised right and a lot of ways and i think are just being so open about drug use and her sexuality takes balls and see her doing anything maliciously like that. We need to read this. Should we choose you go. I the state though all i was going to say was i think miley. I don't think anything she does as militias. I don't get that vibe from her at all. I just think that sometimes she goes through. These phases is like miley. I which is fine. Everyone deserves to have that and i just think that maybe she's not consciously thinking about the way her actions are being either perceived by the public or perceived by leeann. I i mean also. Let's just talk about in general. Even if you're a new couple that's been dating for two weeks to put both your names on a gift regardless of who it's going to that's kind of a crazy move. Okay wait wait. Hold on and i agree with you but the back to that is miley. Caitlyn and brody had been friends. That's exactly so we know that forget. I'm not forgetting that. I'm just saying thank you are recently hooking up with. Somebody and it's like public that only as of two weeks you guys have been together yeah and regardless of who that gives going to regardless list of how long you've been friends you sign it from the both of you. You're signing it as a couple but that's why i think it was kind of like them being like fuck you to the public right like okay like together. We're doing join us like yeah. We'll send everything together. We'll take fucking christmas picks together. You know contact. I'm sorry it's kind of i just realizing in this moment sending a fucking we'd bouquet ucare as as this couple to one of the girls ex husband is a very bella thorne tweeting her own nudes move. You know what i mean like. Fuck it. I've now our our exact. We need to make sure that brody stories. It's like i'm in control of this narrative and like if you guys are all going to follow us like <unk> and how cool did low farms probably feel the fact that they were involved and all this that either way little farms deserves all the best that our lives so if you guys are listening fucking love your joints fleece anything like me to all of us yeah all l. All of us collectively use them. We the three of us do very well. I i come up with great statements or comments isolate retweeting sweet thing to happen unachievable. You know my jaw dropped how they're not using that for every outs of marketing. They have darren. I swear to god it's not right. It doesn't it isn't it. Isn't that andy's favorite. He meets always streets. We have a good relationship so i need to read. Thank you okay. Miley tweeted this and she also posted on instagram. I'm going to read the whole thing. I know you guys have probably seen it but as i always say i think carries a different when you hear it so she said i can accept the life i've chosen means i must live completely open and transparent with my fans who i love and the public one hundred percent of the time what i cannot accept as being told them lying to cover up a crime i haven't committed it'd have nothing to hide. It is no secret that i was into partying in my teens and early twenties. I've not only smoked but advocated for we'd. I've experimented with drugs. My biggest to date is dancing on molly and snorting lines in the bathroom. I fucked up and cheated and relationships. When i was young i lost massive walmart deal at seventeen ripping among i got kicked off hotel transylvania for buying line lima peanuts cake for his birthday and looking at i swung on a wrecking ball naked. They're probably more news of me on the internet than maybe any woman in history. Bella thorne's like that yeah but the truth is once leeman. I reconciled. I meant it and i was committed. There are no secrets town cover here. I've learned from every experience in my life. I'm not perfect. I don't wanna be it's boring. I've grown up in in front of you but the bottom line is. I have grown up. I can admit it to a lot of things but i refused to admit that my marriage ended because of cheating leeann have together for a decade. I've said it before and it remains true. I love liam and always will but at this point. I had to make a healthy decision for myself to leave a previous life behind. I'm the healthiest and happy i've ever been in a long time. You can say much working. Pot-smoking milking foul mouthed hillbilly but i am not a liar. I'm proud to say i'm simply in a different place from where i was. When i was younger. Well said statement. Well say well fuck can said and you know like it makes me sort of sad for people who were so. We're like hating on her. I mean obviously everyone hates trolls but it's like she was this with this person for ten in years. It isn't like this is a showman like this was clearly a loving relationship where they had their ups and downs and being humble guy let alone has to be impossible possible but like give the girl a break like people grow up and they move on and they and they recognize their younger self. I mean her to even admit that she lost a huge walmart. Not over ripping that takes so much fucking guts. This girl clearly does not have anything to hide and like for the public to just kind of be shaming her about. I don't know being an independent woman not really even sure why they're shaming her. <hes> is just completely ridiculous. I totally agree with you and i was gonna say just like to bring it back to the v._a. Angle is that because she's such a massive singer and she's also such a massive figure in the pop culture world. I feel like one of the reasons that the performance was so riveting was because as we all feel like we're we've been with on this journey. We could feel her emotions because we know she just released a statement a week ago right and it was all happening simultaneously. I really felt a coming out of. I know what it was the same feeling when she sang the climb after coming out as hannah montana. I've yes it was the same energy to so. You're so good at analogies like your if you needed a resume which you obviously don't but like you. That's what it sounded like scared me. You knew her as hannah montana hannah you know a young kid we all with she's been in our whole lives and to be so transparent. I don't want to talk about the worst thing i've ever done. Yeah no does blatantly talking about the worst thing she's ever done in front of billions of people will. That's what we were talking about. In an episode a couple of weeks ago or two weeks ago on this first came out was i personally feel like no matter what she he does whether i agree with her. I don't whatever i find that people. All of us are just always rooting for her. No matter what i think that she has that type of personality we grew up with her. We've watched every every step of the way good bad whatever that you've just stick with her at a certain point like my whole point in this relationship ending in the way it did was not the fact that it ended is not the fact that she's with kayla atla now it would just kind of the way it was handled after fell to me a little insensitive to liam you're also it's not our place to be like you're being sensitive to liam and now we're all upset about it because it's the only person who can say that is really liam. Yeah and i also think that has to come from the source if you look at miley like i don't think that she would be purposely being said we're making these judgments of not knowing these people personally personally but hey that's what we all do but that's all right. That's what we do all day and so. I don't want to speak for her. I just can't imagine a world of she would do that. Especially after this statement i know i said nothing thing bad about him and she was just like respect me in my private life in our private life. I couldn't see you're doing anything maliciously titan. No i don't either i will say though that the <hes> the the we'd bouquet situation that we can move on because i've been talking this forever but the weed bouquet situation my first of all dream gift i think it's so like funny and shows her personality but on the reverse part of me feels like it's this joke that the three of them are in on that liam just isn't and that's part of me. That feels a little uncomfortable by it where it's like. I'm so oh happy that caitlin and brody can be friends joke and laugh and they can send him and he can story but it's like you have to wonder like what's liam going through right now. There's two the people involved in this divorce. Either of them are obviously like ecstatic to be in the situation but one of them from the public perspective is clearly thriving more than the other. It's also interesting that most people think it's majlis fall yeah. I don't know whose fault. I don't know if anybody's fault actually the first thing the first like rumor that i ever heard about got it when it went down was that liam was really into heart. This is like ozzy would hurt it was like liam was still under really hard. Drugs and miley was in and it was a really bad point of contention in our relationship attention and they divorced and she wanted to support him but she wasn't in that life anymore and i was like oh. I don't know if that's true. I don't really care. I feel bad if he's under heavy drug use but then all of a sudden that was the only time i ever heard that it could be liam's fault but until her song comes out and then the lyrics in her song is i want my house in the hills. Don't want the whiskey and pills so who the fuck knows. I don't know we can't there's you know we're just gonna get keeping talking about this by yeah my ending the thing that i have to say julie do not going to be about brody what video which video oh my god okay oh gosh yesterday in the podcast we on on the crash until we talked a lot about sofiane scott and their age difference and how like we can understand how some people think that it's too much but we never viewed as creepy brody is around the same age. I believe he's let's say around thirty six and he's dating josie can saco who is twenty two and so okay people are like yeah. This is like the rebound girl that makes sense he. He posted the story of her last night. It is just you guys should watch it if i don't know if it's still off of her in the bathroom getting ready like she's in full like she's fully dressed in yeah and she's putting on our highlighter and he's like you do it and then at the end she like does this vary porn-star you move where she puts her finger in her mouth and i trust me. I'm the least like i can be as dirty as anyone but this was it like your finger in her mouth suggests that she was putting on her highlight with her fingers and then like when he's like edgar on in the background she liked takes her finger on like and she's obviously deductive lii and it was just like a weird story. He was just weird. I just i don't know it just hit me the wrong fucking way and i post it in our patron group. Everyone was like i was thinking the same thing. I don't know it. Just i have to tell you video after that's that's like overtly sexual yeah. There's some things that it's like private. Fins does just because of the not not for the regular in sunday's fucking looking fence to that you do or snapchat. I can think you were a beautiful couple and it doesn't wanna see like suck in each other's dicks. No i feel that and then there are some like i hi literally want to see you sucking featuring her. We understand you love. There are so many more john talk about literally all all and i talk about sex eight mile caitlyn broke. I would watch that fucking sucks tape heartbeat yeah. That's all we do about telling what i want to watch them and sank state. We should give the clause. The clause is that is obviously not like it's fully consolidated. We give you like a little thing. This video was leaked their consent. Both parties consented to this video being shown want to us in a public art like i i would wanna see not for the sexiness but like alan and poor shows because i got to know how they have sex categories of sex saves. If you wanna see shawn and camilla i need your proof. Wanna see something go down and i just wanna know but then there are ones are like sex as you would get off justin haley for us. They have any real couples. Yes well no no but they don't feel what. I typically talk about couples that yeah yeah the way yeah nobody no. It's easier to think of either curiosity or like. I could literally got off to that. Okay curiosity foreshore ellen porsche getting off would be anyone one. Probably that like case do was dating. Margot robie was dating yeah sure. I don't even care who's hetero yeah. I prefer lesbian but like i could do that. Yeah maybe ruby rose sh- it's pretty hot ruby ruby ridge case together here for it. Oh that's a good one in or when carbonated saint vincent vincent that would've been great for me. I love to see the sexy and listen just listen. We're straight but let's be important. Streakers watch that alzheimer's hitting the number one looked up as the world yeah that is literally the meme. It's literally no one every single girl in america you know. Let's be important the most yeah it's so true. It's true. I've had that conversation with so many people. It's crazy sensuality aspect of it. That's a whole their podcast. Oh yes don. Don't forget to remind me to contact sorry. I just want to be part of that. S like a sex therapist. Oh i'm i'm just sitting in the room. I know i know have the best time <hes> okay and i'm so i know her a little all over the place but i feel like you know what we're just gonna. Both etc envy so jamie fox and katie holmes split after six years together and that was my number one girl for ten years by the way i look like did did you got that a lot. I get that a lot and then of course katie holmes was your number one to themselves and i was like well forty. Would you like like <hes> but like were they actually together. Okay so here's the thing honestly and i say this is a bold statement. I believe that they were the most private couple in hollywood hunger percent. I more private than benjamin and cameron because i think benching cameron is just like they want to be off the grid verses. They're hiding their relationship. Whereas jamie and katie holmes literally were never photographed. They don't even let them us coast. It is so wild. Should we go through a little a little time. There are definitely picture them together and we've definitely seen a little bit but not what you'd you'd expect and you know why. It's kind of weird that we've never seen anything about them is because it's not like jamie. Fox is the most private guy in the world him so he's not he posts on instagram he comments he's active. I think this is a crazy. Do you think any of it has to do with tom cruise association. Let's why they broke no show prize maybe she just wants to be private and how in the public she was in twenty eleven twenty twelve whenever that like every single people us weekly weekly and stars was her and surrey every god barron sorry where the iconic mother daughter they literally no joke blue angeline and chill out of the waters the scientology was still like lee remedy was coming out like trying to that mole in like scientology was untouchable than and everyone's like what's going to happen with syria so we're your short timeline starch which is august twenty thirteen to respond for the first time dancing together in the hamptons. I remember that but i just remember thinking like that's a really weird couple. Yeah like oh. I don't really understand understand that at all like i don't get it although i don't think she's in scientology. No she's not and that's the whole issue. Is that like oh. My god knows we do on this whole scientology and celebrities things things but that's the whole question of. Does tom cruise ever see surrey because technically because she's not in the church and katie's not doesn't by the lov scientology he wouldn't be allowed to but i was having this debate with somebody. I've had this debate a million times where it's like. I can't imagine a scenario in which tom cruise isn't seeing surrey and just keeping it so under wraps and so private so that no one gets in trouble because i can't imagine tom cruise and the guy he is not wanting to have relationship with his daughter. I'm sure that tom cruise this. Who's basically like the head of scientology at this point certainly the face of it yeah i mean <hes> it can do whatever the hell he wants and i'm like scientology needs needs tom. Cruise scientology go yes so i'm sure he can see his daughter. <hes> that being said if you are part of a religion where it literally is telling you that that you shouldn't see your children because they're not in scientology. Why the fuck are you still have her but that's an entirely different point i mean i think it goes to show like what a shitty religion. It really is if we call it a religion but <hes> there's a lot in the site. There's a lear remedy deserves a like a nobel. We were just saying we have to have been around the podcast. Good abby get her. I just wanna meet her and hug her because she has done so much for opening up people's eyes towards that community mm unity. It's incredible work and for her to be brave enough to do that. Yeah literally yeah. It's not just the you know interviewing people. It's dangerous thing that she's gotten on herself into exposing this stuff and i think that people i don't know she's amazing the whole scientology thing. She asked millions in that oh yeah dana shelter life people lose literally their hope. I mean that's that's. The whole thing with tom. Cruise is if they lose tom cruise. It's like okay. Public perceptions kind of shot even though it already is and and it's crazy that tom cruise is still in this people kind of you know just accept it about him in stiller fan of them which is a whole other story but that's what i was saying is that you know they could never have publicly tom cruise and surrey together because that would just destroy everything that people know about scientology and everything that you know tom cruise is supposed to stay on for. I just can't imagine a scenario in which he isn't you know behind closed doors seeing his daughter but a lot of people think that he's not honestly i. I don't know him <hes> <hes> and so i i but i would say that he loves the religion more than he loves his family which is carrying an almost seems pretty clear that that's the case which is why when you were saying that such confusion about when she first started dating jamie to me it makes perfect sense because i think she wanted the exact opposite of in every sense of the word first of all nobody loves their daughter with the exception talking to my dad may be more than jamie foxx. He's obsessed with his daughter trend in the best way like truly and like. I just think everything about him is the opposite of tom and i think that's why she infatuated by him. Did they ever confirm the relationship and then they ever do not. Did they ever confirm a break-up. They there was a there was a period where they denied a break-up up. Where a rep for katie there was a rumor in. I wanna say sixteen seventeen. Maybe that i when i was reading this even put it in in this time like because there was just so many tiny i knew little things that she that there was a rumor going around that they broke up and her rep had denied it and that's the only time that it was that it was hinted at that. They were even together but they never confirmed. I mean in two thousand nine hundred rape before this break up a couple of months ago. They made their gala debut. They didn't walk the carpet together but they see you know color coordinated and took a picture behind stage where he's wearing a purple shoes to match her purple dress and it's like listen. It's not a red carpet debut but when you're wearing purple shoes to match katie holmes purple dressing. That's in your rumored to be a couple. You're a couple at the fucking met galileo yeah yeah. You're certainly not doing going to deny it in any way clear of it. I think we have to explain to everyone the reason that for the break-up apparently so this this happened this month so what happened was jamie was seen with another woman. It was on august sixteenth. He was spotted holding hands with singer. I'm gonna fuck up her name seila vay. She's twenty one and it was out in l._a. That happened and then a couple of days later. The reports surfaced that him and katie had split so this woman <hes>. We're gonna call her sale. I feel about it. I don't know how to pronounce it. She posted a video instagram and she explained that it was it was a video of jamie explaining any that she had post yeah but she posted that he jamie saying that he simply taken her under his wing and that according to him he's mentoring her as an aspiring musician and he did it for an academy did it for sheeran apparently certainly they like slept on his couch in the early days of his career and he was kind of just doing that and her post was captioned quote for the people who care here's the true story for everyone else. You can keep talking calling me a whore slot. Home wrecker thought golddigger that i should die and whatever else you want these. It doesn't matter to me. I'm out here to work and do what i love. Most first of all who's doing someone to die because she's like outsing thing. Which we folks you would be shocked by what people right on the internet looking. That's why i avoid twitter like <hes> each. It's amazing. I'm amazed that people book care so much about like whether or not they're together or not but then again to tell someone to die when you're like seen photographed with no it's absurd horrible. It's else no. It's not even funny. It's like no. It's thickened can't stop looking. You're not thinking that you will surrey crew. No she is sorry. I'm forget. I didn't think about the whole time. A really funny story story is that i have friends who were in fire island like i just i stayed with them a lot. I've been over and they were taking a family photo and fire island and they asked us little girl probably twelve to take their photo and she gets all the angles. She's going down. She's going. She's getting wow what an amazing photographer and she walks walks away. The dad's like look like surrey crews and they're like okay rob like wait a full surrey crews out. They go into the market ten minutes later. You hear you hear surrey and katie. Holmes are in fire island for this summer. They're like oh my god. We just had surgery crews literally. Take our family portrait for forty minutes. Why did you guys ask a twelve year old trafford ah katie holmes because twelve year. I don't think she was there. I think she was it was like her and a friend so it wasn't katie. Holmes was there and there were like oh katie holmes. It was just like literally surrey crews at her friend and of course horse. You're gonna ask a twelve year old. They fucking no shirt then they know the angles. I can't believe that syria crews took the family vote. It's fucking amazing. I want to mess cedric the entertainer to take a picture of russell simmons. I swear to god to gary jannati wait. Did he do it. We never i told you this story. I don't know but i love genetic. He's the best best but years ago. I was in sag harbor like years ago and i was on the street and it was andy and and andy brad grasping gary they were having lunch at its with my friend and i was like oh my god like i have to get a picture and very you know respectfully went up to them and i asked gary to take the picture of us with brad and andy and when he came on the podcast i was like i have to tell you something and it was like oh my god i i was happy to take it but it was just so funny to think about now. I you know i idolize him. In a lot of ways he's is literally the funny yeah but he's much more behind the scenes what makes sense why wouldn't facially know him. You know his royal commentary though is one of the best thing. It's one of the best things things on. It's okay. Let's go to hell you. Just obviously you're gonna talk about this so they have apparently picked out a date and location for their wedding. They are allegedly set to be married. In south carolina at the montage palmetto bluff it is inbetween hilton head and savannah. It's on a short and on twenty thousand acre property. I'm gonna just read the resort gordon companies and extensive nature preserve walking trails a vibrant village marina restaurants and a jack nicklaus signature god you are so bad at hayes tells us sneh check those john nichols signature course a combination include spacious cottages guestrooms suites and village homes of course mindy weiss will apparently be planning leading the event of course mendy weiss does that mean they haven't had sex yet. They're legally married or legally legally married. This is like there are like christian ceremony and party. Oh what do you think about them as a couple listen. I think what you're in a relationship with one of the more more known people in the world. Who's like every single when justin bieber brushes his teeth. He's on t._m._z. or whatever <hes> and her herself. It's a gorgeous <hes> but i think that their relationship isn't something to like. Admire it. So young happened really quickly. They clearly got like fully engaged to like have sex which do your thing. I'm not knocking doing that but i haven't heard. I believe that justin bieber who is like this party boy did all these drugs was pissing on you know bill clinton in in a bucket. <hes> is now all of a sudden like a god fearing man. That feels weird well. There's not there's so much. Wait hold on. I just want to say to the point about it could be wrong. No you're not you're not i have so many opinions and and it's just like so weird my opinions about how much i love them almost overshadow what you're saying while still a hundred percent acknowledging that you are correct like you love them. You want that like you. Love them as a what we love them physically. That's that's what i think it is alive. It comes from the fact that physically together we are obsessed with their chemistry and then like true torture from the perspective. I am willing to admit eh that i am obsessed with every aspect of their relationship fascinated. Maybe the better term but i if you said to be if you tax the neck tomorrow i just got inside information formation haley injustice break up i would have to like i could've got tied for a week i would be i would be destroy is it. That's a relationship that you want at all not at all. It's not what i aspire fire to be for myself. It's just watching them. There's just something so hot. There was this odor. Nobody it's everything it's just like. They're so hot together. They're so a young. I feel like i can't even explain it. It's it's not for me. It's not just physical for them. But do you think it'll last 'cause. She's what twenty two. I would be shocked if it lasted but i also would like. They're still religious that i just don't know like i literally don't know when i look at something like that. It'd be like okay. You're gonna get divorced in ten years. Most people do when you get married that young and you're that yes but then i look at them with those religious aspect of it like maybe they wouldn't like. Maybe this a whole new leaf and there's gonna go off the face of the earth and like go live on an island they could. He could retire right now. You know what i have to say and as the big point that that missing in just talking about them physically is that when i look at like the way he looks at her or the way he writes about her like what he does. I genuinely and you only and maybe it's just this young twenty year old thing. I genuinely genuinely believed that. He does love her as much as he says he does and definitely there's no doubt in my mind. Are they gonna last note but i believe so much that they love each other to the extent that they say they do that. That's why i would be upset if they broke up not because they're a couple that i want to be not because i aspire to be them not because as i believe that they are in it for the long haul and they're the couple of a generation that everyone should aspire. I just believe that they do love each other as much as they say they do. I would agree with that wasn't department when we watched the <hes>. What is it like the seventy thousand modeling we all watched that god for god and i think also that interview view which is actually pretty decent like there was just a little bit. There's just no depth there yeah but then it's hard. Maybe somebody always voices are so awkward to begin with there. I don't know i just wanna see. I just want to see every single tiny little thing that they do know. Okay the the aspect that i feel like we're forgetting all of this is that y'all were obsessed with them together but i think that assuming the girls incredibly attractive because i do think that a lot of that has to do with our our fascination i think because of the way the justin bieber when we were growing up was like the sex symbol and still is. I think we'd be fascinated with anyone that he's that and i know you're gonna say we weren't with selena breath. He's never been married julie if he was married and he was posting in bed with another girl like he does with halle. I'm not saying that we wouldn't be asking but i want to say. I think one of the reasons that were so interested is because let's not forget haley. Bieber was a fan girl. She went to meet and greets her. Dad's stephen took her there to write him so i think that continues because there's a lot of ways on a very subconscious level. We're all thinking like oh my god meghan markle. She got she did it. She she was the fucking girl wearing limited to to go to nick jonas. Honestly she ended up marrying too fucking long. I think for me the thing that i wonder about them as like. What do they talk about. Yeah i don't know what are they saying to each other. That's what i want. I want to know everything that you're right right right. Because i grew up and i was the justin bieber girl i was at the first concert on sort of the first world tour that he ever did it ever. I cried his star. Not cried like that probably since then but like yeah that's probably a huge piece of it is that i feel so connected to him but i never had that connection. I never liked them together. I never thought it made sense. I always thought it was really like detrimental to him and to her him and selena yeah yeah well and i just feel that this relationship is different but on the reverse of that we did richie deep dive yesterday where we were talking about all all of like nicole richie hurls story already and then we were talking about the two months that sophia richie and be together and you're right. I probably would have been as invested in that relationship as i am with him. We're right yes hugh. Yes thank you. Thanks guys. Is those nodding. I've i'm sweating. I get so worked up talking to them okay. We you have to just quickly talk about taylor swift because it's it's already like surpassed. All the records album called lover eighteen tracks. I did listen to it honestly and i i've always i like her music. I'm just not a huge fan of hers a person but you know what grave hershey killing it and as far as like her. I'm very connected to a lot of people that are like die diehard fans of hers and according to them. It's like one of the best things she's ever done so i am like so supportive of it good for her listen good for her truly either way tariffs wrote in her google. I thought they responded okay. So how how do you say the golfer that mispronounces niclas nicklaus jack nicklaus. Oh jackie is i'm thinking of the best golfer of all time you're thinking of the actor. Yeah gas very confused very young either very john no but she she looked at me like a fucking said it wrong yeah but you're like it's jag nichols da said throng but also so how can we supposed to know golfer embarrassed. I only know love his drake love. I know tiger woods love his second exactly okay now. Let's talk bethany franken. I'm i'm i'm so happy you're here. I'd like to know what to say. I'm just so happy you're here. I'm sorry i'm just i know i know yeah. I'm on the taylor swift and just for second because they didn't realize renuka here. New song has a dig at leonardo. Di caprio apparently so is it. Is it this line because if i was a man that it'd be a man they'd say i'd hustle put in the work. They wouldn't shake their heads in question. How much of this i deserve what i was wearing. If i was rude could all be separated from my good ideas and power moves and and they would toast to me. Oh let the players play just be like leo in sancho pay yeah got. It makes sense 'cause he's like but why leonardo dicaprio. He's an easy target. I really i think interesting. I'm not a huge fan of this whole dig stuff that happens in so. I don't know i say at least her fucking music as a message yeah listen. At least it has messenger. She's making a statement choose her platform okay bethany frankel tha you you just you tell us your thoughts health. Why don't you lead this one okay. We'll listen listen. I mean like a lot of people ask me like oh. My god is a true like what's going on and like she made a statement. <hes> i think to variety i think she broke it variety <hes> really even before where i had known about it but listen negotiations happen the talent those people have to agree with bravo and bravo has to agree with them and it's it's a contractual obligation gatien that we have to agree upon and if the terms aren't met you know you can easily walk away for me. I like to say never say never in terms of her like you never being on the show again because one she's gone off before. She's definitely come back. It's a definitely a different bethany than it was when she was doing her spin offs. Bethany getting married bethany ever after which was an entire our lifetime ago which hoppy but we'll see how the show is without her. Sometimes that changes people's minds whether i'm bravo side or whether i'm bethany aside. I'm not too worried about her. Being there i def- i listen. I definitely think she's an important part of the franchise but i also feel like how before it was when she came back. Dhirendra and ramon awareness huge players as they were then even luanne like carrying storylines now. I don't know if she's going to be as missed as people would assume assume that she would be. I don't know so. I i agree with you. I think the bark is worse than the bite is going to be in a lot of ways. I mean listen. I think she has i think she's is a massive presence for sure and i think view sent to in my opinion. She's clearly the smartest among the cast and she really has just a wit to her that a lot of them lack very entertaining but in terms of like the intelligence and like the witch she really brings it and she's a humanitarian. Let's not forget she likes chartered. Fifty fucking plans to go to puerto rico and she's doing the same amazon yeah it's unknown it's unbelievable and she really has built. I mean listen. This woman has built a massive career. I if you think back to season one of real housewives when she was hakkinen in the supermarket in this tiny little freakin freakin apartment her chef i mean it's a whole other world and what she went through with jason and then with data i mean she really went through a ride right now. She seems the happy she's ever been with that guy paul. I know nothing about him other than he seems like like the perfect guy for her. Yeah i saved her life with super q super handsome wealthy low key but fame adjacent like i could not if someone said to me dream up your perfect guy for bethany he'd be from boston not everything he's yes spot on her wrist game. It's just insane. I don't know if you saw the cardiac like sorry. That's just the style. I don't doubt that oh my god but anyway when i was at the love everything but she's the one for my girlfriend to. I got her the love yeah yeah with a screw with yeah. We're fucking gift. Keep your ladies around dated you. I have a timex china. Seventy dollars. Papa bought myself. Some and all black babies never buy me love bracelet. Sorry actually my girlfriend's. Birthday is coming up up by one link. I'll ask you guys what i have to ideas. Oh my god corner yes. Yes yes like ours already picked out by the way this is like literally. You'll okay so you like. I have to get this gift for somebody like as well then. I got an email from issues like i sent you three links. It's so true but what i was. I've forgotten you know. It's gonna say about her. Oh what you think about is there. The jobs aren't thing in my life to ask you that or allow me to okay. Let me rephrase question. Did you see that the video posted it was a video posted she was doing a. I don't know some sort of event and she asked the crowd. What do you guys think about. Jill coming back and everybody started cheering and jill comments on it my question to you. This is a fair question okay. What do you think public perception would be in a hypothetical world. Like what do you think people think about the idea of jill coming back. I think people are here for it because ah despite your feelings about loving jailer hating jill. That's what makes reality t._v. I think so good and i'm a fan of a lot of reality t._v. Or unscripted and i watch a lot of been housewives aside. I watch a lot of reality t._v. And the people that i hate the most and i know it's a competition show. I'm like oh my god. I hope they voted off. They get voted off and then when they don't and i'm still so pissed. I watched big brother a lot and i feel this way about some of the the thing is like that's what keeps me coming back every week so jill because she's so polarizing rising. Everyone knows who she is. Everyone knows she's been off the show for so long like she's a vintage o._j. Which is what we call her. I think people would be <music> excited to have her back for the most part and i think the excitement could also come from them being really pissed off and i think you'd watch it. No matter what i i sometimes it's okay to piss off the fans. When it's great television i agree with everywhere that you just said and i also have to say with the passing of bobby lobby which was obviously very tragic episode when they did that at the funeral you know and earned bethany at that moment. That's the realistic. Could oh my god beyond but i have to say say. She is now in a totally different place in her and she was so. I do think it would for a couple reasons one. I think it would be a different story line. Just logistically. She really is different but also i think her. Her perspective has probably changed so much when you lose someone so important to you and you don't realize you know what i mean so. I think she'd be a different person. I think it'd be very interesting mix. I just that's just my thought on even if she were the exact same person which is impossible but even if she were the exact same person. It's still be great. Yeah like i listen. I don't that's not bravo. Speaking that's darren aaron carps <hes> but yeah. I think love or hate her. Everyone was jobs air. There's no suggest she's the only one that's been off the air for so long any franchise that i can think of that people would be nick omay iowa wandering the mac. I can't think of anyone else but you know to your point. Even about the bethany think i kinda thought that way about lisa vendor pops house beverly hills going to go on like vander pump his hander interpol <hes> and then you know kyle endure read and like they kind of took the position like yeah and it flowed and it worked and it was a great great season and i i'm always surprised by how much we rely on these one people to carry a show when you take out of the equation like oh this is still pretty interesting people to step up so much like vicky being demoted for example exactly the milk and she's still part of it part of it yeah but she's not shannon. Storms door is here and more than ever. This is is the mother fucking year of shannon. This i swear to god storms is is hit net. She's killing killing how she's kinda. She looks insanely. Amaze insane. I mean i support her b._m._i. Like she's friends with gina. Now yeah be friends with a new yorker. I know we talked with eliza mcguire reboot but just to tell are you guys are disney confirmed that there will be a lizzie mcguire reboot. It's obviously started starring hilary duff. It's a series and it will stream only on disney plus and it basically is going to just catch up with lizzie the hillary as she takes on adult in new york so apparently it's going to pick up on lizzie thirtieth birthday explaining quote. She was there for everyone in their preteens. She was their best friend fan and i would love to try to embody that for her in her thirties and going through those challenges i. She must have gotten paid so much money to do this because i thought thought that she was almost a little embarrassed by liz. What like i think she embraced it that that's obviously if she got famous she has kids now. I know our son to see her lizzie mcguire but i didn't think she would ever our. I almost think they are a little bit embarrassed of their child stardom. You know what i mean to go back to it. She must have gotten boatload of money. What i have to say about hurry. I agree with you you to an extent where i have to say about hillary though is i think that she loves to hold onto that one thing that she was the child star that never went through any scandals that never had any. I never had anything that was in the news. Even remotely that was like hillary duff so i think that because she had such a positive after disney experience that most people well don't get to have but i think she's less reluctant than most people to return to that. I think that had they tried to bring back lizzy mcguire in the same way they brought back raven and words like on disney channel. You are now. The mother of the kids going through. It and you're not playing lizzie anymore. You're playing the like different. You're playing lizzie bits in a different different role in a different capacity than i think like okay. This isn't for me but i think they must be marketing it in a way to her. That's listen. This is a completely different vibe. You're an adult now and we're. We're gonna treat that show as such. I completely agree. I'm here for it. I think the nostalgia factor israel especially with our generation. We want to go back to being kids but also accepting the fact that like oh we have to go to work now and we have to pay rent and like i think the reconciliation with that is going to be really interesting to see fully agree <hes> okay to other things before we get into the awards. I just want to very quickly touch on knots. Get into it but yes dennis quaid sick. I don't want to talk about it just saying he destroy like homo with twenty six year old girlfriend end at apparently they've been dating for a couple of months. I'm nothing else to say either that to get removed from the narrative of the dennis quaid everybody's messaging we obviously openly talk about being into older man madam pockets all the time yeah so in the picture surface. We got so many dams like julia's wants you to keep you in my prayers or or conversely truly. You have a shot. He's into the four julius. Fucking shaking taking was one person who said that i am shaking is sixty five of the age that you would work with dennis quaid as the person that i would go sixty five way too old as has katy kirk reminded me one episode. We spoke that she's like dennis quaid as we too old for you. Please don't and then i got home. Mom was like dennis quaid. Its way to alter handsome so hand sign fine. He's too old. I get it but at the same time he's dating a twenty six year old so like yeah but it was just so funny because we both openly talk about and then all of a sudden we're going. He's inbox. When did everyone remove me from the dennis quaid narrative. I'm like honestly i removed from it along. She's commuting your mic for days now now on this podcast. You know what i will gladly let you have this truly. It looks like neither wait. Who would you like if you could have an older man right now. It would be john stamos. It's yours yes yeah. I would say most is every johnston would be yours. Please question. There's no question a bit. It's like marshmallow hello. I'm like oh my god. You look the same. I know it's so true like the avenue jack sam. It's at all quaid stay. Most who else do i always say joe joe manganiello. Hello oh man. I love about him. Recounting joe manganiello was like an older man. It's not in an older man that we're saying. I george clooney yeah. Oh my god it come on. I seventy. Oh my god that jon hamm rescue bought it brought up jon hamm on this podcast. I was like wait shit any minute like i forgot. I truly forgot how oh my god. You think of those guys like to me. It's like sixty plus is to me an older it guy. I guess we're also we're also. There's there's an easier between us. No yeah yeah you guys are mid twenties right. I'm going to be twenty-five so okay. It'll be turning twenty three. I feel like a little kid. Who's again but i'm turning in november. Your birth offering ten years older than you to me. I'm your there man. They can be a little like it right. Do you want to date. I wanted to the guardian cartier baby a three frankel wrestlemania so my shaking in other revenues. I don't wanna talk about i just wanna mention it for one second the whole thing with lala and randall's ex wife you know about this with the pictures yeah yeah. What do you think anybody unaware basically last monday. <hes> she randall's ex wife amber childers she put put up an instagram story which she said <hes> lala had been posting a lot of randall's kids what she always does and she wrote while i appreciate your love towards my children but until you're officially their their stepmother please refrain from posting my children on social media. I hope you understand where i'm coming from. Many things my thought on this was okay yeah. It's a little weird like the fact that once it's official you're okay with it but you're the mother and you know what if that's how you feel. I think that law needs to respect that. I do think there's a chance that randall's in her ear like fuck. It just dude anyway but i still think as like a woman to woman respect thing technically. You're not their mother. Yeah and i don't think it's your decision. <hes> i agree with that. I mean i wonder i'm curious. What randall thinks also it's i find it to be really weird when people post their children on social media at like when you have such a public account like that <hes> i guess it's because i do a murderer podcast where i know kind of like the dark web of people can take pictures of young children and and what they can do with them and the renderings of them so special because you're not an official parent yet. I do really really agree with the mother on this case. I especially because they're five nine. It's not like they're eighteen like they're. They're not gonna be able to make that decision so knowing the dark side of the web. I absolutely absolutely agree but yeah we are telling you guys about the best toothbrushes literally ever. It is the best way to simplify your morning or evening. It's the simple electric tre toothbrush from quip so like are these not the best the s okay. 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That's your first refill pack for free at g. e. t. q. u. I. p. dot com slash celebs. Okay we are going to get into the tricia betas thing and i promise it's going to be concise but some people are messing us. This is what happened. Okay the whole all thing started. Tricia paid by the way is a very controversial and very popular youtube star. She was formerly dating jason ash who is a member of the blog squad and arguably david dobric who was of course the leader of the blocks best friend. They had a very tumultuous relationship one. There's a huge age difference and to she just has a very out their personality and she didn't really vibe with everyone else so she's miodrag thirty one. She's thirty one and he's about forty seven. Okay okay so when they first started dating. Oh my god he's having a midlife crisis than it actually started. They just seem kind of serious and all hell broke loose. She is on very bad terms with all of them. Because tanimoto who is a twenty one year olds also youtuber she was in the same scene and a lotta time she would be featured in david's blocks and one of the jokes david jason tricia ex-boyfriend would riffle 'bout was that david jason wanted to have a threesome with tricia and tanna right and she's young and try number one. She's young. She's twenty one but i don't even think that was what it was. It was more so tricia admittedly admittedly has a lot of very deeply rooted securities and the idea that her boyfriend was publicly proclaiming the fact that he wanted to sleep basically with this. You know very attractive. Young girl really did not ought to her well. She continually ask them to stop making the joke. They wouldn't stop making it and that's what caused all of this. When they broke up she made a video basically destroying them and it got really nasty because she brought in his ex wife really fucked up stuff. She apologized for that but that's where they stand so they're not on good terms. Okay okay so in a youtube videos uploaded really recite. Gotta say the youtube video watching blind not even knowing that invasion you gave me no. I watched a blind like i i like now. What i watched makes so much sense right knowing what you say we gave you know two weeks ago. It's the way to do it. Honestly i have my master's in this quite frankly so anyway so in a new video recently tricia mentioned how she was she said one of my ex french and say the name ignored her at a starbucks the person she was referring to was this guy named jeff wittig. He is a member of the squad and he is known as the hot guy. That's like his thing he also is a he was formerly incarcerated and that's it's a big storyline in the blogs that he like was this quote convict. I hate that word but that's kind of how they play was arrested for. I don't even remember seeing other drugs or could've been dragging calcium on erupting. Kill yeah no no it could have been like a minor assault. Maybe or some sort it wasn't like it wasn't it wasn't the big guns yeah yeah right. He wasn't yeah so he he was on. This podcast doesn't matter with scotty sire another member and he talked without saying her name about how he was in a starbucks and you know someone someone he saw that publicly disrespected his friend referring to jason and david was there and so he just decided to dip he left. He's like you know what i'm not one to not. Make it awkward and say hi. He's like i wanna make it awkward. He's like i was going to leave. He's like what listen. I can't go around assaulting people so i can just make it awkward and like that's my best. I she uploads video in response. Okay the title is in all capitals how david dove and the log squad ruined my life five days ago oh she is you thought going fucking off on jeff. She's playing the clip from the podcast. You motherfucker like you piece of shit. How are you to just say that. I that i did jason wrong. Nothing just really defending herself and quite frankly was whether or not you want to say that what jeff did was wrong the way that she went about it. I was watching it being like tricia. Come on. Have you learned nothing you cannot react in the moment like utilities bathing you totally totally and the thing is i know i'm going through this fast but it's important to the whole thing is that david dobric is the ringleader of the vox wedding and that's a known thing but tricia makes him out to be this like villain and i think the reason that her message doesn't stick because no one else views him as this villain. He's a really good guy from from public perception so she's basically fighting a battle that she's not gonna win. That's her first that he's going fucking off the next video. She uploads is four ladies leader and says everything wrong with the wlac squad part you in this video. She must says i'm not out to cancel any one which i was like first of all bullshit you literally may two videos with the titles trying to cancel number one a lot of what she was saying is valid in the sense that tricia was committed to a mental hospital recently and in this podcast geoff said had you know it's so crazy that people can be in a mental hospital. They can be a psychopath can still have this platform and they can be saying things and she was saying like how dare you stigmatize mental illness like. We're not allowed to have a platform life-form let hey let's reverse the roles for a second. You were former convicts. Should this what she said. She's like you were former conflict. Why can't we say that you shouldn't have pot for him so she was like basically going on and then she went on to say that it was white male privilege and started listing all of these allegations against the vox would while simultaneously saying but i wanted to cancel culture not to cancel culture number one a number two they didn't. It didn't happen to me so i can't. I can't vouch for these people but this is what's happening in my d._m.'s. The whole thing was very contradictory. A lot of her points were valid but the way she went about it was just wrong so basically long story short. If you're curious what happens she's waging again another war on the blocks while trying to tear them down trying to tear down the association between david and and fan fan joy is the merch company that not only supplies david with the merge but also sponsors so many of his videos and she is basically saying thing that by sandra supporting him that they are supporting this this white male privilege in this these people going around saying they wanna saul people she took that one sound bite from joe from trauma jeff's interview by assault and it was like that's how you deal with things like this is such this is such a serious issue and you're gonna treat it like that and she kind of just blew it up into this much bigger thing. I'm not saying some of her. Points were invalid but the way that it went about to me lost all credibility in her delivery and i think that's why people are having a really hard time with it because they're like listen. If you want to signal out one one person in the wlac butter you have an issue that's fine but don't stage an entire. Take down while also saying. I'm not trying to take down. It's just not right right so that's what's happening for everyone. That was curious. Was that concise enough. That was super concise. I now i understand understand it kind of what you hate that you know i i hate that. I understand that well yeah yeah. I mean listen. I think the her mental health is definitely like an important issue here. In one of yours one not to be overlooked but at the same time i also it's like okay. If you have mental health issues it maybe it's better for you and your mental health and i don't want to speak for her but like handed off line because the opposite of love is in hate. It's indifference and if you were like. I don't think about you at all you know. I don't want to respond you at all. That would have been the most empowering message that she could've thought to those guys not like. I can't believe he ran out of me. I can't believe he didn't even take a starbucks cup. I can't believe i can't believe that. I don't blame cancel culture if she was just like i don't think about you yeah for or not even mentioned it. She would have come across so much better and especially. If you have mental issues i can only imagine you're getting all your fans feeding that and then you get all your enemies also feeding that who's winning exactly it's a lot in the last thing i will say it is that a lot of her critics say that if you look at the views on her videos anytime she mentioned the flock squat in the title the views skyrocket so while she's he's saying she wants us to be the end. She never wants to speak about it again. One could argue she's she's pushing that narrative and but what i have to say the reason that she really does have the shit end of the stick here because as much as you want to sit on them or whatever the wlac squad is the most influential part of youtube right now and she's really fighting a battle in my opinion that she's just not going to win and i think like like you said kind of removing removing herself would have been the best move. We'll see what happens. I don't know i i the whole thing was just. I certainly hope mentally she's okay. I swear to god. I hope nothing bad happens to her and i hope she can have the confidence confidence but like girl. Just get yourself out of it. Get out of it is making bad exactly you've got i wish how badly would i want to therapy with her like i would love to sit her down and be like let's just let's get to the root of it and then we'll move past. It would love okay. I'd love to set you guys. I know leave me alone. Okay awards ceremony it or just let me tell you are winners for best clapback. It was chrissy teigen. She was in a target or in some some store and not wearing a raunchy rates. What do you think i'm looking at and someone writes abroa- brock will get you on and she responds. Allow me to save you for my titties as a free the nipple advocate. I was offered that one right i'm i'm. I'm all for it and grow so she doesn't need a bra. She's good then ryan reynolds this funniest he posted this is so funny for blake. Lively birthday he posted a cloud of just like the worst pictures of her although there's no such thing as a bad picture of lake but all her eyes is closed and he made the captain happy birthday to beautiful blake lively and she's obviously very pregnant when someone commented get that baby out of there and he responds. I keep whispering stay in. I love them as a couple talk about a couple of justin haley. It's like this is a couple of just looks like they have borne towfighi but i exactly like i don't question about what they're talking about with each other. I know that these guys have like just inhalers like total but these guys are like they had so much fun together like you. Uh and i think blake lively is gorgeous unreal djelic yes for sure legua yes. I'm getting it. I got it. I'm up the area so watch i watch around the sexy yeah but it was about to say or when she like gently kissed anna kendrick in a simple favor my girlfriend like grabbed my hand and i like lost circulation in my arm for ten minutes and i was like okay all right. We can youtube the two businesses who saw no. I fully get it as like a fully straight woman. I get it you get it. Yeah okay lettuce transition to it acting kim. I want you guys to know the energy in this right now for everyone even isabel and turns off off. Mike are like everybody intense right now and a really good way. Don't you helpful. It's helpful okay. Let us start with sophia's twenty-first. We got into it a little bit yesterday but holy fuck. Let's talk about it. Should i start at the beginning. Yes okay so i'm just so excited. We've been waiting for me when she like. Where else are you going to start. Them obviously started the fucking day. She liked prepped herself. She got herself situated raided like moved back in her chair. She's okay like masterpiece theatre. I've never been so ready. Okay sofia turning twenty one and she was going to vegas. The way we found out she first is off. Let's start with the morning. She started her morning out with a video of the two hundred thousand dollar aston martin that scott bought her we know because the catherine was wild best boyfriend ever and the music in the background playing birthday sex so if you tell me that you wash that didn't envision her and scott having sex potentially in the aston martin like you're just lying which is fine what i say to you also know most top five turned on and i've ever been in my entire twenty twenty eds nineteen looking in san second when they first started yeah. It's yeah i mean i so i she post that then she posts a new range rover that she got then. She puts her breakfast which was beautifully set up. Okay which i believe was that scott's house we then see kylie post on the private jet. It's kylie stops vic kylie's former assistant iris who does the star lash extensions and amber. Who's a photographer all jet ready to go waiting for sofia. Sofia pulls up in the aston aston and she gets on the jet in their hype so ready to go. They get off in vegas and they go to encore beach club for the day. Kylie is nowhere to be found. We heard from a source most recently that kylie for everybody that was curious and we got so many messages apparently kylie wasn't at the beach club during the day and she came to the event at night which i'll get into second scott was at the beach club during the day but but every picture he's in he looks miserable which again we'll get into. They take a break and then they go out at. I think it's excess as it's called. I don't even know how to say it's one of the nightclubs in vegas and they have a a criminal. You don't know any of the nightclubs anywhere. They used to seem. Real like vegas. Club goers definitely not your m._b._a. Thirty literally my worst nightmare yeah me too and and the holy sophia and all the letters the girls carrying it whatever they have that apparently kylie was there. We didn't see much and they got out of there at four a._m. Back to calabasas and that's where she's now in in <hes> venice but it was a very quick trip. The curiosity came about two things number one where the fuck kylie she was there in the morning and then it seemed like she dipped a number to scott looked miserable. I like to talk about those things and give you a chance to you. Seem like you need it. Why don't you take us yeah kylie. I i don't know but should we say that there is there could be speculation about her. Not drinking for a reason a lot of people think she's pregnant which wouldn't be surprising using. I mean she's still smoking yeah. No i mean i think she was there. I just think she just didn't. I don't know it doesn't seem like her. I don't know her seen anymore. She was there. There are definitely there are maybe she just when you're kyle you can just like okay. I'm skipping this friday birthday but will come to the next part right. He asks for scott which i think is much more interesting piece. I i first of all. I know what you're saying about the age we had a whole thing yesterday on the on the podcast about how you know we really believe that when you have a couple of this and there's the age age difference that big it's like so not your normal twenty one year old like when you measure age and you think of a nineteen year old or twenty year old you're thinking like high school college. That's what they're doing but she's at a different different fleece maturity wise than normal nineteen to twenty one year old that i think it just makes her older and therefore makes the age gap less drastic to me how old he he's thirty six wchs. I mean listen it. It's not bothering to me just like a nineteen year old no matter whoever they are. I'm just like that's young yeah. It is is young it it. I don't know maybe i'm wrong that it doesn't bother me. I don't know it's not the age of others it's like. I would be in a different place in my life. If if i dated in nineteen year old right that's a whole place in her life than most nineteen year. Which is why i think the misery it's like yeah think about what scott disick as seen in his life. I'm i'm sure he's like miserable. That's not cool not cool to him. Only so far past i know old like if someone is thirty one like you get tired i tell are you personally as a twenty two year old that for the twenty one twenty two of all my friend's birthdays turning that i have gone out for probably all of them have been equally as miserable will being out as scott was doesn't mean. I don't love my friend that i was going out for that. I wasn't happy to do that for them but i was fucking miserable napping in bed yeah so i think that's just horsing scott's obviously obviously has a very long history of his behavior being vegas centric and he's obviously moved on from that and i think that a being there probably brings back a lot for for him be brings back a lot from that. He's no longer able to or probably wants to even participate anymore over. He's he's some. I don't know if he's over but he's definitely not. He's not the same scott not like shoving money and waiters mouth and drinking and taking shots like i think he was happy to be there and i think he wanted to spend her her birthday with her but i don't think that he is going to have the same enthusiasm for being in vegas that he would have five ten years ago right. That's i agree fully. Maybe see but also i don't th i i just don't believe that we can skip the ad aspect of like i said yesterday. It's much easier to forget about the age difference when it's not so in your face when she's celebrating her twenty first and he knows the pictures that are taken of her with her giant twenty-first candles and he's sitting right there. I think for him for a second. It was a perception issue. He's shit. Can't we just get past this. Mike get onto her. Being twenty one like why does her age needs to be the focus because i think there's a part of him that not that he feels creepy but he knows that he is seen as creepy and it was so so brought to the forefront in that moment. You know what i'm saying he had to be there. Porter also kind of weird listen. I'm not one to judge things based on social media but i do think it is a little odd that he didn't post anything for her. Just interesting. I i would have expected a story or something he didn't do any how fucked up is that that you have that belief that he should have posted for when meanwhile he bought her a car. I understand stand julia. I'm talking solely of this little fight you know and i know it's i'm saying solely from a perception issue for personally believe believe that it's fucked up that he impose from not at all. I'm saying i could imagine if you are weird. I could just listen you. You're not talking to regular person here. You're not gonna regular person that bought their girlfriend scott disick every single thing that he does gonna make headlines so i so i could imagine her potentially. She made sure that she's not being upset is like shit. I'm gonna get yeah you bought me. The asked like you know everybody's going to be talking about the fact that he didn't post not saying there's anything wrong with it but that wasn't added that the media ran with i could just an interesting decision it was it was a conscious decision. Let's put it like that and i wonder the reason for it. It's so easy to throw one story. It was a controversy if they do they do social media everything it is kind of weird being like even like a blake lively. Even if it show happy birthday babe like check out the gift i got you i. I don't think scott post like that. Scott's not a birthday instagram our for for chloe only for chloe he doesn't he doesn't pose for courting anymore for him. No are you sure we have to look that up. I wished i had the i don't know just something to think about. Yes i'm just. I don't think it's off brand for him. I don't i i personally didn't read into that. He's not he. She is much more active on social than he is. He doesn't often post her where show post tim show post videos and every so every so often hill he will post something of her but it's not common and i don't listen. I think from scott's perspective was yeah. I'm spending your entire birthday with you about you a fucking i'm with you. I'm buying when i just don't see a reason. I'm not saying it to you because i know that you don't believe it just like from a public perception or for even thinking that it was a conscious thing that he didn't do it. I think he's just at an age where when you're thirty six someone's birthday your first thought isn't always let me on instagram for you. It's twenty twenty nine talapity. I agree with you except for when you are living in a life at every single thing you do is so curated yes coming aw that's what i'm saying like. He knows eric fight or the public. I just felt like he didn't want. That's what i'm saying. I felt like he was like. Let's fucking do this thing and then get over with. Get it over with. You know what i mean like. He bought her a two hundred thousand dollar car. There's no there's no part of me. That doesn't think that he loves her. I think he totally does and is so into. I'm just saying i do think it potentially was a little conscious that he didn't put that all over social media. That's all i know. He's not that guy. I'm just saying i think it's possible and i don't blame him for it. I just think that maybe eighty who knows once he's here. We'll ask him. I know he's going to be here one day. That was probably the most intense but we've ever gotten into ever right. That was a real fight. Yeah we've only got into one fight ever and it was when julie uploaded in around jessica parker picture that had to watermarks instead of one dollars it wasn't you did the two watermarks. I did two comments. What's what whatever it was. What's worse and i don't know you guys vote because it's clearly the to literally like only ever and it wasn't even a real fight but i've has your best. We both fists. <hes> we were both is because i was because the thing is the thing is i'm explain this quickly and i know that you're tarrant. I'm so sorry because we're inviting. He's fucking. Just do whatever you wanted us episode. The reason i i was so pissed about that is because you sent me forty instructions disappearing voice memo and stuffed into the halfway through one of those notes was take take out the other comment that you had already formatted already okayed as to thomas yes and then change my mind in the middle of a disappearing now. How the fuck did you not take out. Okay okay. Ah let me be the thirty one year old reason. How good is your life where we're arguing talking mazing. That's our only fighting visit. We spend and three days a week together at our only out of justice is what i tell people at work all the time when they're freaking out it's p._r. Not the e._r. No one died fucking meant that one <hes> <hes> okay. Let's choose to other crashing subjects that you really want to dive into. I'm you know i mean i like. I don't even know what to ask you you pick one and then i'll pick one more that i wanted to go so i would like to do obviously sunday. Services was doubly important. It was really beautiful that he did that they do that. I love the criminal justice stuff like i think like people not k. All the time for it. I know you guys have talked about this before but for me like if it's doing something that good who the hell it gives her shit where it's coming up right <hes>. I'm totally for it and so kind of just to explain to everybody. Kinda did his as you know. He does a sunday service every week but this week he did it. In dayton ohio to benefit an honor the victims of the august fourth mass shooting there it was part of something that dave chapelle had also put on and and kim was there and obviously was there the north and saint came with them and it was just like really beautiful. They had a livestream. I believe they did merge that. They're selling to profit prophet for <hes> benefit for the cause <hes> and kind he did like the most incredible performance of jesus walks. It was just special special. No was ah yeah i mean i i. I've nothing else to add other than it was really special true. It's nice to see that there. I got to be especially the kim faction of the kardashian vaction action. It's nice to see that they're taking their platform a little bit like we were talking about with taylor swift. It's like they're doing it to push the needle and not just be like oh my god look at my boobs like how scott disick used to be yes. They're doing it to change the world yeah and my let's. Let's not overlook now. My thing was is that like the reason i think he's so so confusing to a lot of people's because obviously he went through that whole wearing the red hat thing which was just like not an never support him in that and i'm like very vocal and saying like part of being a fan of somebody is also being able to criticize them but if you look at the actions he takes and the things that he speaks it doesn't represent what he's saying and that's why i think people are so confused by him that that whole year or two when trump i got elected like twenty sixteen two thousand seventeen whatever even last year when it was really and i feel like cam was like yeah. Gotta calm calmed down honey. You're having like a psychotic. Break the red hat thing. I mean listen. I think that you can be a good person and still support trump. I don't believe that trump supporters a bad person like i do think that that's it divides the country so much. It's like we look at him doing that and he's an artist and he could have been doing it to get press somewhere something sometime <hes> i think he just did it as a publicity implicity son. I don't personally shameful news. Yeah i think he was doing to be controversial anything. He was showing that. It's a red fucking hat that was causing all this craziness. I don't think he was like i love trump. I didn't get that impression of him wasn't like he was at the rallies really or anything like that and i don't. I don't think he donated his camp. He just wanted to write to love trump was and you know what i agree with that like i agree. You should have the right to love trump. I you have a right to be an idiot this country in what makes america great yeah. No pun intended no no that literally is what makes us great but he himself like i actually. I don't know how i feel about him. I don't think anybody knows how they feel. Buttocks except for me yeah. I just think that the way he talks like his ego and granted. He's a really smart guy but i don't think he's coming second coming of christ i i just i am so yeah but the way people talk about him. I'm like yeah he's. He's a cool like artists but he's not. He's very pleased. He's probably i would say probably the most polarizing person in hollywood them as a couple for sure. I mean him alone yeah but like you can even argue her along. Yeah like dem together. It's just like why. I didn't even think they were gonna last. Churning l. babies left and right yeah they went to a cheesecake factory twice who talk about cheesecake north right it online somewhere and demanded ended to cheesecake factory sales right now have to be up twenty cake factories at home in this goodson streak in them while you gotta fight with me a cheesecake yeah that's so true true to cheesecake factory fucking around by the mike guy by the way cheesecake factory is amazing. I've never had more options in my life that the avocado auto eggrolls. Can we get. The luau is literally not a salad. You know that the horse yeah that's literally what a lewis out was like oh yeah. I'm gonna lead going into the office and i'm out no. You're fucking not you're a one time cracker literally one time cracker with lettuce but whatever that's a whole other thing okay my last cheesecake factory. No i just wanna acknowledged everyone that message us obviously we saw the picture that kim instagram'd of her and salmon one. She literally was glowing. I love him with no makeup. What's her name. I sent you that thing. Azalea banks had the nerve to comment like you look so much better with all that black makeup like something like really whatever it's a lot like. I don't know they go to talk to talk about her makeup please. She looks beautiful. One way or another number one and the second thing that i wanted to say was i just want to acknowledge publicly khloe the trip that they went on obviously lalla kim and chloe went to the bahamas with their kids. Some of their kids and chloe really has taken a lot of heat all of their kids no all of their kids but not all of their kim only took chicago. No all of them were there but you didn't see the picture that you most of all four of them on. She said oh you're right. You're right. You're right yeah you're right. I forgot what i was thinking about. One picture but chloe really has taken a lot of people are so mean to her about true and it's a constant thing with in the comments constantly and i just feel like the way that chloe's handles it does like deserve some sort of public acknowledgment because she's so graceful in the way that she handles these evil people the comfort her kid and and we saw that a lot with this trip what are they read parents like no really disgusting mean things about like her skin being so dark in the sun and all this stuff and chloe. We posted a khloe clubs back at yeah. What do you mean her. Skin is beautiful and it's really discussed the comments. It's like it's one thing to commented on like. A picture of someone's child title puts have even the thought processes just like the most confusing thing in the entire world to me. It's just it's really really disturbing. Honestly i would never do that. No thank you have a you're a normal human being even even with the most like the bottom level of morals. You have to be below that to comment something like yeah. The the anonymity of social media is killer. It's a killing it is wow what did you want to really wants to say is well two things one. Obviously we're gonna watch the traff sacremento coming out but the misguided thing shall we say quickly. I don't think supporter okay wake. Kim was on the cover of vogue arabia. Yeah oh and can honey do the interview. I i haven't read it. I was trying to find out online. I'm not sure if they released the whole thing but there were like certain highlight questions that kind you asked her about like fame fame and our siblings and and who the favorites sisters. She said that her and chloe really been bonding this year but i'm yeah chew looked insane on the cover. I got to look that up. That's awesome good for. I heard good for vogue. Yes good for all of us good for all of us bambi. I'm in it yeah for sure wow. This was like a ride. Do you guys is ever sell your show notes to your fans well so we signed copy do it because i was just i was just going to outline line and i was like oh man. I'm sure people would love to see like what we did or didn't talk about and just like your reactions to things like just like little comments that you're putting like wow icon wow they talk about it like you should totally do them. Show the fans love it. We should we upload a visual guide to patriot on <hes> for every episode like just pictures and stuff what we talk about. Which maybe we should have to. I feel like if they do give enough money or something like you. Sign it. You know what i mean. Just maybe just teasing that was amazing. You are listen. The thing about darren is that aside from being like an amazing person. We also happen to know her like as a friend and she truly is everything you would think like taylor. We get along so well. I always say it's like so nice to like meet new friends i kind of randomly and just hit it off and clicking women helping women and all that stuff but like i love you guys just as people regardless of any platform. We just have so much fun together much fine. I love the los angeles on and you guys. Give me such an education today. Oh well i really leaning to like you couldn't have lived your life without knowing about tricia patriots. You couldn't have no now that i and i like the twelve minutes that i spend. Doing that really opened my eyes. You'll never get those children back. A really you know what that's totally fine no fucking one well-spent tricia hello and don't forget darren's podcast martinez. I know a lot of you already listen because we got a lot of feedback. Get a lot of good good stuff from that. She is amazing and we love you. Thank you for being here. Love you guys <music>.

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EP. 317 - Joel Greene

Mark Bell's Power Project

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EP. 317 - Joel Greene

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DOT COM at checkout enter Promo Code Power Project for twenty five percents off your order. If your order is ninety nine dollars or more you get free shipping here. God's going to be holding your book All right sounds good to me. He's probably CO author. I'll probably he may have. He may help them someway. There does not physically but probably spiritually originally. He probably assisted Johnson and wants to be part of the book to go. Get it all set up on my guess would be amazing. Hug Tokiko completely you wrestling fan. I used to like some wrassling when I was a kid. I yeah yeah I think wasn't right and I know I know some. I'm a couple like professional wrestlers. Chabot Guerrero Oh yeah no yeah Super Nice Guy Super Nice Guy. I hung out with him and he tells me stories and I just I just like I just like his story God. Yeah those those old school wrestling stories of the best more stories. Yeah they're crazy like I'll just go through. The list came on what about Roddy. Roddy Piper is like really crazy. He's crazy that's so funny. Somebody like that. You're trying not to be a fan like you're trying not to be. You know they call it a mark wrestling mark. You try not to be a mark and you're but you can't help I can't yeah. You can't audio about the Iron Sheik Man pissed off all the time. Yeah Yeah yes. That's that's true and he can't help it. What are you doing here nor cal? It's great that we had you stop by We've been talking about getting on the podcast again. So it's great to have you here again. what what Brings you out to the norcal region little business a little family business and a little bit of a little bit of business business but I I mentioned for the show. I have a brother who has down syndrome and he He's Kinda been up and down with some things and I brought him down to my home in southern cal few months ago and it park you know. He had Parkinson's on set and I just threw like I said I threw the kitchen in sync at him and like literally was miraculous. Within like seven days he went from shaking ace into matic. He went from not being able to walk like twenty yards to walking six flights of stairs every day and walk and a half mile and and probably the biggest thing was his mood in his in his sort of brains than metabolic function is brain went from going into these states being kind of catatonic to who almost one hundred percent normal in terms of his personality. I even even film part of it. I why not monetize this right. No I mean I'm just kidding. Yeah making money on your now. I took him to a a testimony. You WanNa show other people like what can be done through nutrition right at Man. Yeah I think so it's it's You gotta be careful about the kind of thing but for me is more personal. It was just more about you know I'm going to do whatever I can to help him. And so so he was really good and and he's kind of relaxed a little bit. Some GonNa work on them again so So the Dietary changes and just some exercise that assisted it was a host of things So the Parkinson's symptoms are very much to do the with Gut Dispute Haussas where be vitamin production declines and at the same time Serum Vitamin D is just in the toilet. You can fix those those two things. what I found. Is that a lot of the symptoms. Went away actually one hundred percent away and you find that is a subset of aging in general so as you find in general is as we get older or be vitamin production. Just goes down and it's going down because Basuto bacteria is going down in the gut and and it's one of the things that tailback area does. Is it leads to be production and so just correcting. That was a big deal and the other thing that's on just getting him to sleep more and get in getting him to make testosterone all. He's sleeping so he went from sleeping. Like maybe four hours tonight to twelve sixteen. Wow and that was huge was he. Receptive live to like. Was He like game for like. Yeah I would like to feel better. Wasn't on the list is an option. Like you're you're maintain this take that take on on him like every every hour and a half you know like yeah Combat Sports Academy Is a gem that my friend Jesse verdict works out. He runs like powerlifting program and they have if cross fit they have 'em a Really Really Cool Jim But they also have. Is They have a guy there. That trains Many people that are that are down syndrome. Oh I think. Autism things while the changes in the advancements advancements that people are having he you know he doesn't really try to do too much dietary intervention because He realizes what uphill battle that would be man and it's hard with the caretakers and people that never these people do parents a lot of times. You know it's hard to get them on board with you. Know you got to kind of be mean to your eleven year old kid that has down syndrome. You can't feed a Mac and cheese anymore you got kind of like make him eat this other stuff but there has been a few individuals there that that have progressed a lot faster than the other ones when there was some dietary intervention How like how important is you know? A dietary intervention for a lot of Americans that are just suffering from different ailments. Sometimes just I think maybe the general public isn't even aware of how how bad metabolic disorders can kind of bleed into a lot of other things and really not only just happy ailments and be Kinda Nixon things you're dinged up with but they can also be eh affecting disease really really profoundly. How much of an impact is your food? You know have on this sort of stuff I would just from my own personal experience. I would venture to say that You know percent wise it could be quite quite significant to one hundred percent and it just depends on what you want to look at but on what I think is starting to happen. In the medical communities unity's a little bit more awareness that gut related issues particularly due to species and different tax in the gut mediate a lot of things and and so the growing awareness of that is kind of opening the doors to accept that A lot of things that are sort of disease defied can be he powerfully ameliorated at least the symptoms ameliorated through very specific protocols of Diet and and different inputs food. It and things like that. So yeah I I'm I'm in the camp of like you can do a heck of a lot more than you think you can so and then when it comes to like the Gut microbiome oh by only hear people talking about that so much. Do we need to really be all that obsessed with that. Do we need to continue like study. that a ton or now we need to wait for more research IPE Better No. I talked about that in my book. there's a lot of myths that have grown up about the gut a bunch six exp big ones diversity and a bunch of other ones but but the net of the gut really is that you need to bacteria and you need to focus on to bacteria the the first one is pathetic bacteria and the next one is Acre Mansi. I'm using Alpha. Those are the two that you need to focus on. And if you focus on those two you'll get diversity in the and you'll get the right kind of diversity in the gut on and you don't need to worry about much else and feeding. Those two is not that hard. It really wants understand in how to do it. It's not that difficult to do. And that's really the the kind of the gist of it. Like if I was going to boil it down a couple of things he commenced and bacteria and it's easy to prove you can you can have diversity and if you don't have those two Victorian the you're gonNA be sick guaranteed on conversely if you just focus on those two bacteria correa you're going to be healthy not only going to be healthy. You Probably GonNa live longer and you're probably going to be much less of a risk for a number of disease the states and so in in terms of those two that mainly be supplementation or is tricia pro yet nutritional protocols how was your son I I mean I know you've probably talked about in the book if viewers could understand. How can they attack that today? Yeah so keyword is order of operations you you things go wrong in a specific order and one of the one of the reasons I wrote. The book was there so much confusion right now about what to do and and everybody I talked to so confused and one of the reasons are confused because they don't have a framework they don't have an order of operations based on what's really really true about the body so in the case of your these these specific bacteria the first thing you let me just walk through the order of operations. The first thing you need to go after is acre man. Okay very first thing you need to do and what you need to understand is that there's two ways that you can replete Acre Lancia. Ancia the first way you can repeat dementia is through fasting and it has to do with the concept I put forth in the book called Bacterial Guilds so what people are just starting to grab onto the idea of substrates. The idea that very specific foods can speed specific bacteria. Okay okay that's kind of level one but the next level Commun- level beyond that is the idea of what are called guilds and guilds are different bacteria. But what they have in common is the way they get nitrogen or the way they get carbon so you can have completely different species and they have have something in common. It's the way they get nitrogen so in the body nitrogen you can get it through the Diet okay so you can get through high protein diets for example or if you cease protein then the body will secrete it internally and when the body secretes nitrogen internally that seems to Acre Mansa would it needs so this. This is one of the reasons that you'll see a little bit of a bump when you when you fast a little bit of improvement and got health is that you're making nitrogen internally now so the big shift the big heat understand understand. Is that individual foods feed individuals species. Okay Mac rose feed guilds so macro sphere entire entire guilds of bacteria. And there's been some really interesting research on this when you look at like Like going sort of all protein camp. There's there's pros and cons in my book. I call it the map of guilt and I list a little map and kind of show you the pros and cons of pro and con of every Diet Right. And that's why like I worked with with you before and you gave me a lot of great advice and you had me shifting kind of in and out of different things step right. There's there's there's going to be it's just like lifting. It's a lot of great benefit benefit bodybuilding. But maybe you're missing out on a string component. Lotta great attributes can be acquired through powerlifting. But maybe you're missing out on some fitness or or conditioning additioning right one hundred percent hundred percent. Yeah I WANNA finish answering your question But I'm guilty of rambling lots. I'm trying to be a little more succinct. Yes so one. One chapter in the book that I devoted a lot to was the idea of balance. What's the highest truth of health? And that going to just list all these disease states and every single one lists the word lack of Homeo- stasis and if you just substitute suit balanced for that what you get is basically every disease you can think of. As an imbalance so imbalance is disease balance is health and so with with this. There's the idea of what's called chronobiology. which is that we really have to factor in timing so we have to factor in days weeks seasons? And there's truth to all that there's whole bunch we could talk about darnold rhythm but there's also weekly rhythms and then their seasonal rhythms. So there's there's just sort of an easy to buy into idea that historically we had seasons go ahead seasons of plenty of we had seasons of lack. We had seasons of high protein midseason to have any grains because there wasn't any protein because all the animals were gone. And so once you get this idea of seasons I it's actually very freeing freeing because you can have a season just eating all meet and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But then you can have a season of cycling off that and doing other things and throw through seasons we we get balanced and that is kind of the highest truth of health. And what we'll do is a little bit later. We'll we'll translate that mechanistically into how it it works in the body so the question and if so if we You know another some people listening that are probably enjoying some of the science and some people that are going. I don't I'm starting to really get lost right away. If we if we have a healthy diet which I'll just it would be Eating things that are natural To this Earth as natural as we can get them I guess fruits vegetables and compete and. I don't know if there'd be much more else in there but if we stuck to kind of eating some of that stuff Would we be on the right. Track to being healthy August in eat like process stuff Yes and no which is shocking to a lot of people but yes in that? Modern Food has a very specific effect on your body's natural inhibitory control on eating modern food. What happens in modern food is when you push the energy density of food beyond a certain level it breaks the bodies controls over both Td End Hunger. Hunger heads a great way of saying that long so modern food has a very special property. It breaks the bodies heating controls. So there's that the other side of that is that there's no getting away from it for people there just isn't and one the things I talk a lot about in my book is that the modern era fitness is mimicking seasons of famine and feasting. We're just accidentally mimicking feminine feasting. And so what happens is when you get done with the getting shape. Phase I e the famine phase then comes the feasting. We just don't call it that which call off track. I gotta get back on track in other words. I gotta go back into my famine. Okay so what. We're doing over time as recycling and famine and feasting so rather than a four something. That's worked for me. And it's it's it's worked for a lot of people that I've put forth to is that it's much more important to understand how to offset the effects of modern food than it is to completely avoid it because most people like if you really really listen to what. They're actually doing their Kito Monday. Through Friday and then Saturday A. and Friday nights kind of a break. That's kind of what's going on so you need. You need to be offset that did. That's kind of the long answer to that then expense. That's six hundred words less than than my standard long winded answer. Your mentioned earlier the impact of walking. You said You know twenty. Two minutes of walking can kind of help you know radio of this What what are the impacts of Even just gradual exercise such as walking Life changing life altering just from the perspective of In the modern era fitness we have conflated the idea of working out with a daily exertion. They're not the same going in. Busting your routes for two hours straight right. They're not the same thing. If you look at your historical analogues of what people always do. You were just kind of exerting yourself every day you know like Go get some water. That's the rivers a mile away. Go get some water okay. On some butter chop some wood so daily continuous exertion was was this thing that people just did and it doesn't really take a lot of time to do that. It doesn't take that much but the key is that you're doing it every single day every single single day and so it's very easy to do daily exertion over time what I've witnessed is that a lot of people have a very hard time maintaining Workouts Year in and you're out across the seasons of life but you can exert even people that love working out. Yeah even when people that love working out they struggle we see it all the time like man. I've been on a sorts for a little while I've been out of the gym for three days three months. Yep Yep yeah. That's that is is a massive driver of the problem trying to find easy way to stop saying Oh in my book but I referred to as much as they want people to grab a whole lot of great information I use this analogy in the book of A car so if you could have if if you were locked into one car for your entire lifetime and you had to pick one on you factor in a lot of things you think might. Sometimes you have to go off road. Sometimes I want to go to the track Sometimes I WANNA pull up. You know to tell you in fact a lot of things in the car on what you wouldn't do is park the car for six months months and not started and then take the track and raise the crap out of it and then park it for six months and then take it to the track because both of those things are going to destroy the car really fast The best thing you could do would be. You're walking everything would be to just drive the car everyday. The car will last much longer doing it. That way and with the modern era has done is replicated aided the park the car and then take of the track and this will people do over time. You know you hear this. I'm out of it and I gotta get back on track. And then they get back on track Diego hard they do cross they do a lot of things is it get injured. And they're out there in route and just played a cycle out and that cycle is really destructive long-term now along with that You know keep ing constant active activity every single day. You mentioned sleep with your brother and we talk a lot or we talked a lot about sleep on this podcast is. I'm sleeping with his brother. But as it pertains so's brother Commas verbiage all of this yes strange comments. Yeah how you You help to sleep now. You know they've spent a lot of like books Matthew Walker and Shawn Stevenson books on sleep. But I anticipate that you probably we have a different view on how to optimize individual sleep because a lot of people you know getting sent outside a lot of things. There's probably more that you can do to optimize your sleep. So what kind of steps can people take simple steps or even more advanced things that you've known towards to get better sleep each night Let me run through through list. Things so No particular order here one would be. I have a chapter on this in my book would talk about sort of What I call peak human sleep and optimizing that I was the first thing is try to try to mimic the ancestral sleep pattern which is basically kind of in in bed by around nine or so and up like five or six and patterns seems to be associated with abundant energy? Okay you know and so just give it a try that would be sort of one thing and there's a pull up here. There's actually a graph in here that talks that compares ancestral sleep to modern sleep. Because there's been some research on on communities you know if you guys see this research on on Communities like the HA's on other ones we can kind of see the differences between the two and their things like so they have they sleep on hard surfaces. We uncomfortable uncomfortable services. They wake up a bunch of times night but they go right back to sleep. We wake up and don't go back to sleep and so there's all these sort of interesting differences a lot of stuff in your cupboard to eat. You know that's why that's why we that's why we stay awake right. Yeah well that brings us to the next thing which is controlling food food cycles. So there's been a lot of debate about out What exerts more control over sleep is it? Is it light dark cycles or is it food. What is it and so the easy concept to get is that it light? Dark cycles are controlled in the brain by their kit. Nucleus sleep cycle controlled by the organs are controlled by inputs. It's like the yeah. The winner is the organs. Okay the organs of the winner actually and it's easy to keep if you want to prove it to yourself. Just eat six thousand calories after we're done today and then try and stay awake Curious girl knock it out and try and stay awake Very very tough. Conversely there's there's there's actually a meal sequence in there I can give you to induce starvation. Yeah and translate translate when you're starving. It's really hard. Oh yeah no one. Ever if favor dual-pronged fast. It's hard if I try to do it the second day after thirty six hours or whatever. I can't sleep. I have to eat something. Wrestle Marketa fall asleep right so that gets us to the next thing is a food. Patterns and food cycles so on controlling inputs of food is one of the easiest effective things you can do to induce sleep so there's some new research now about small inputs of food at night to create sleep onset and so the example using the book is a girl g sandwich. I are the grocery so very small inputs at night. Things like salad. We'll help sleep onset. Wise wise like that together specific quite why that work because it's delicious together makes you like so a lot of it just has to do with the peripheral clocks in the body the way that they're activated by pulses of food. That's that's a big and we all know this is true. It's like when you have a certain type of meal or a big meal or the right kind of meal on is a cheese example. Because has anybody can relate to that like if you have a really good grilled cheese you kind of feel a little drowsy afterwards sleepy. He's like probably two kids in daycare and stuff. I you gotta slow down a little bit. Yeah shut them up so the food pulses will induce sleep. And there's a lot to be done John with Food pulses during the day to control sleep. And so there's a lot of different things you can do in that realm like like big meals at certain times of the day We'll either advance advance. Sleep on slept onset or disrupt it in combination with that and this sounds really hokey. But it's like pure science it's take your hands and your feet in in diplomatic hot water like ten minutes before bed. Yeah I sounds like snake oil. But it's it's like sci valued thing what happens is if you dilate the peripheral arteries. It helps sleep onset. So that's another big one does that Somehow maybe help kind of Cool you down because your hand got hot and your feet got hot. It's just it's just is the dilation deletion of the arteries okay gotcha Probably the biggest thing. Though that I don't think he's talked about enough is inflammation so if you get inflammation formation down you're gonNA sleep a heck of a lot better and that ties into its sort of partner and I think the pedals on a bike. There's two partners and one is inflammation and the others hypoc during sleep. Those two things will disrupt sleep more than anything else and they'll disrupt your health more than anything else. They'll promote cancer onset inflammation all kinds of age related problems from from hypotheses during sleep. And what is what does high poxy poxy just means that your your tissues or certain tissues these are not getting enough oxygen so when that happens is a very key protein. I built my book around that and macrophages called H. I F. One poxy and usable factor after one. There's three is a form of this protein. One two and three the one that we concern ourselves with is called H. I. F. One and the way H. I f. one works is it's it's neither bad nor good. It's essential the issue has to do with the excess accumulation of it within cells particularly during sleep particularly early in the brain and when each one begins to accumulate. Then what happens is it's a major gene activator and it translates into the nucleus inactivates all these genes associated with absolutely nothing good so clearing access. HIV One and ameliorating hypoxia during in sleep. And that's going to do is introduce cancer risk It's going to increase your energy. It's GonNa Knock inflammation out. Nothing inflames me. More than not getting getting adequate oxygen. When I'm sleeping like it happened the other night I didn't wear a breathe right and I went to sprint the next day and I was like really soared? I remember how to do that. Breath right shift can help. What about something like taping your mouths yet absolutely yeah? So there's there's a there's a sequence of things you can do it's called. The first is called the Seattle Protocol. It's very simple it's mouth. Taped breed writes a few things like that. Then I got like so much stuff on my head when I'm sleeping I got Yep I got the breathe right strip going. I got the mouth tape. I got shit blocking out the You know I got I helmet knocked about. It's the the era the geared up like Bil-. You should see my wife. She's she's just like stuff going on. Yeah it's like you try gotta get get a kiss and you can't get nothing right unless you WanNa kiss tape right the next level though which I think is is is underserved is a moth appliance. And you basically just go to a dentist custom fit you. And then what does his advances the jaw your sleeping. And now it's like a mouthpiece by I sleep or something like that is what it is. Yeah it's a mouthpiece but it just what it does so in advancing the jaw which you can use your open the airway up and by opening the airway up property single biggest biggest thing you can do for your health above anything above. Anything would be that. Because you're you're just oxygen much better during sleep and in terms of like probably your list of Bang for the buck anti-aging. I do that first before identity. Just go to a dentist. Dentists know about this. Not all I happened to no one Greg Greg Cliven who is down in Irvine who he lectures at Ucla and way way way into this. It's like you need mouthpieces L. Pieces over here. We're living in the past also going to say because I've happened on I've seen like devices that are like shown like infomercials. Were they like have have the diagram the Chin coming forward at the same thing or they have to be a specific thing for each individual. I've asked Dr Clive in about that. And and what he's communicated to me is really WANNA custom. FIT The thing for a number of reasons none then it gets into the structure of the mouth and the jaws. Not something you want to play with gets fascinating topic when you start digging into this thing. Yeah what about mewing. Have you heard of that which is this mewing? Is like the formation Mation of the roof of your mouth pushing into the roof of your mouth and you can Help change the the structure of your of your jaw. Line can help with breathing and yeah they they can help you be better looking because he could have more stunning features but I guess is that what you did. That's what I that's what I've been doing this whole time time. We've been talking. I've been pushing my tongue on the roof of my mouth now as I'm talking more handsome by the minute look crazy. Push my tongue into the roof of your mouth. Well handsomer ause pause. We haven't practiced enough. Andrew maybe maybe we can pause and you guys can get more reps in some people that have like a forward head posture and some people able that. Are you know. Mouth Breeders You know they. They've gotten some benefits from getting Kind of what you're talking about heard heard people talk about that before and just Getting better oxygen right getting more efficient. I guess with your breathing. It actually starts during childhood. And it's a really deep robin hold but it's pretty fascinating You can make a really good case that a very big contributor to obesity begins in childhood with with apnea with locking going soft foods with the proper improper formation of the cheekbones and the jaw in the mouth and all that stuff and what you'll see is with childhood obesity high incidence of things like Sh- noreen happy and boxing. All this stuff and it all comes back to chewing soft foods There's there's a picture of my book from a conference that I did with Question Titian Beck in seventeen and Ron Penna the Yeah we know Mr Quest. I did his handpicked kind of list of you know who he thought were. The thought leaders brought us all in a room and we just share ideas and there was a seventy year. Old Man that That had an appliance. Long Story Short. This guy regrouped bonds of his face. Hell is crazy in fact their pictures in here somewhere the fact that I think. That's why can't that. Yeah in this picture here. That was just from growing of his face and doing that at such an advanced age is super impressive to yeah. It's so there's A. There's an emerging belief. Life are not believed. Excuse me there's an emerging view which is a very big part of this book is the idea of what's called mechanic. Biology guys familiar with it. Now we're not familiar with anything. Apparently this is this is insane. How long did this take him about a year? And that's wearing the mouthpiece or some other device he he had a very specific appliance. That is geared to sort of reshift that the Palette of the mouth but essentially it's hard to healing and if you saw that like in the actual original picture we were just kind of all sitting there in the like with our mouths open. What do you mean by by saw the chewing of soft food so getting back to this idea of mechanic biology? There's this is this is this is sort of a not an option option to not understand McKenna biology going forward. The emerging view is that cells are programmed and they are programmed from the outside in by by physical forces. Okay so a lot of the programming for cells is mechanical in nature so shearing stress traction stress different kinds of mechanical stress. Actually reprogram cells and in the case of the face the McConnell that McConnell biology of the bone structure of the face is related to chilling. So what happens is if you look at in social societies now. They're always doing this. And they're always ripping off and they're always shoe and really like a dog. Yeah yeah what does it stimulate. It's an epidemic signal stimulus genes that cause the bones of the face to grow up and it causes the pallet the form properly. It's no different from some of the studies we've seen about like Just you know jogging her pounding and it makes bone stronger. That must really play into a lot of different different things. Now that I'm thinking about it because you know if you probably don't even get we probably don't even really make those faces anymore like the face that you would make to tear Keren like a rib eye and try to rip the Damn thing apart and then when we make certain faces we know like if you smile more. You're tend to be a little bit happier right. It's it's gotta be sending a lot of CRA- it's got it's got to make a huge difference actually over such a long period of time right. Yeah you know the case that That the strongest Chris Cases is made with childhood obesity in June soft foods and our culture. So we've just eliminated hard. Chewing and by limiting Harchoun is gene activator. You can take that idea Eddie and trace it all the way to the obesity epidemic. If you really want to pick a position I see. I was misunderstanding. The chewing of soft food is bad. Basically Innocence Yeah. Because you're eliminating a major jeanette. Yeah Yeah so so let me ask you this like I was GonNa ask you when you mentioned the mouth piece with this and I know it's like all over the world. Oh but with this mostly be like a first world type of issue because of the type of food that kids eat here because I know like I have a lot of relatives in Nigeria. The foods that they eat Aren't like that and like the family over there. It's it's very different like they don't need dental work. None of my family over there is ever needed any type of wisdom teeth removal or dental work or anything like that just because of the nature of the food that they've been eating does not surprise me in the least I It makes sense. I don't like directly. No have any data about it outside the US. Yeah just estimating like would you say that. Their facial structures a little more pronounced. Yeah especially up here. Yeah that makes sense percents yeah actually so like fouling gum is. Would you suggest that people pick something like that up or or no. I think it's helpful. Yeah I think it's I think it's helpful the act of the octave just chewing on things that require the facial structure and the bones the Fazlur Berkshire do a lot of work is really the missing ingredient. I do. I do all either chew raw green beans or there's actually. There's actually an appliance that I have that You put it in the front of the mouth and you can work out the bones of the face but the trick with that thing and and I again I got with a dentist on this and asked him is. You've got you've got to do it. You gotTA pull it out. Chew it on all sides because if you don't you're GONNA over-develop one part of the mandible plate and see just just rotated through the mouth and you get held a workout on that thing. You gotTa grab that what. What should our children Be Eating. I realized that the giant in question but How can we you know what are some things? We can do to help against childhood obesity. Because as you were pointing out earlier this kind of concept except of of Feeding bacteria that's that's what I see with children. You know they they are so excited about you. Know Ice Cream and things like that and it almost seems like and I realize there's multiple reasons for it but it almost seems like they're like in a trance like hypnotized by some of these suites. And some of these foods but It appears to me my observation That the gut is kind of overriding. Any sense that you might have even as you get older of Kinda slowing down on some of those foods. How do we kind of help our kids? Yeah hundred percent so first thing is to understand that the the dominant species in the God is GonNa Program Your brain to feed them what they need to live. And you're gonNA think it's you on my brother. His wife when she was pregnant and was eating a lot of spinach and her son was born craving spinach off. Yeah I've had people that have done my veep nutrition system who who were junk food junkies and in eight days got nauseated on junk food. So the awesome news is the GUT is rapidly modifiable and in the process of doing that. You will completely reprogram what you crave so when kids are craving like gatorade or you know sweets and all this stuff on the idea is you can rapidly reprogram their their their their gut so they don't even crave those things anymore. It's just getting through the pain period of it's about seven days to do it and you know there's ways to do it in an easy way to an easy way to start them off is with things like I call it a I call it a In my nutrition system. It's basically a Frat pay you take yogurt. You take. Honey you take raspberries you take banana as you take all these different things and you put it on a hung on mega really sweet mayor really good and just sort of start. Giving those types of things will start to recall an is a little bit and then you can kind of win them into other things that help with that interesting. Yeah what what's the deal with like You know we got prebiotics -biotics and probiotics. I mean we hear so much about you. Know Yogurt and stuff like that. Is this stuff. Is it really beneficial. Harmful What is it what is what it probiotics? Oh by Alex. What are they doing for us or not? Doing Force Me Personally I would not take probiotics. What is going on right now as it sort of an epidemic of CBA which is the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and my personal belief is that it's due to people taking too many probiotics? What happens is can't hundred percent control where those things opened up up in the gut? And so what you're getting is good bacteria in the wrong place The thing with probiotics is there is a place for them You know in certain cases like very specific conditions. That's something for a practitioner. Who really knows what they're doing to kind of administer but there's really no reason to God of our our way to eat probiotic gain and maybe they're not necessarily All that negative as long as we're not consuming them all the time. Yeah you'll probably do more harm than good. The other the other side of that is the gut is so rapidly modifiable through food substrate that. There's no need I mean you can you can completely elite con in totally recall gotten about five to seven days. That makes a lot of sense. Because that's what people are taking the probiotic four right. That's what they think it's doing okay. Yeah makes awesome. Yeah and it's also it's easy to prove so if you WANNA prove it in the opposite way on just go eat a bunch of junk food and watch out badger gasses and Stomach blows up right. Well that's fermentation so the key idea is fermentation makes bacteria for every hundred hundred grams. You ferment. You'll make thirty grams of bacteria. It's just a question of which direction and that's how obesity works so. Obesity is meal to meal reprogramming programming of the gut bacteria based on substrate. So you're reading this junk and what it does is it's your fermentation bacteria that make you crave more duck and then it it just sort of snowballs you can do the same thing opposite direction and you can rapidly firm it. Do you go to anything in terms of this book and in terms of people that have. IDs Because I know a lot of individuals that no matter what they do they're IBS. Go Away for a small period of time. Boom it'll flare back from that. They're doing the same thing. So what what I guess. In what direction can individuals go to to to deal with something like that. Yeah so the first thing to understand is you've got to kind of get into things he's mechanistically looking at looking at. IBS on the first senior stand is that if the gut lining is worn down normally under normal conditions like like a a healthy gut the metabolite Buta rate is kind of the bread and butter. The it's it's what feeds the colon directly the QUANTA sites in the colon and in the in the intestines it helps restore the gut lining by making cross reactions that feedback area. So that's an a healthy gut. What happens in a compromise gut? Where are you already got sort of inflammatory issues going on is that the main transporter for beauty rate is impaired? It doesn't work okay it's called. MCAT one so when that transporter is impaired Buterere cannot rescue the gut. So what you'll see is people that have issues in the gut. And then the fibers in the issues. Get worse okay okay. So what's going on is those fibers fermenting. They're making material that may eight and then the Cantonese beater right okay. So in the early going if you've got like you know serious serious issues in the got kind of a good protocol is to marry a combination of fasting with things like orange juice. So what you'll see in the gut so drinking orange juice fasting in that period or outside of that period you fast for a while and then you have a little bit orange joke. Okay and you start to introduce that in a little so what you're dealing in his two things number one. What you'll see in the impaired gut just see a high degree of oxidation and a gut and so in the lining of the gut? You've got a lot of reeboks action going on so score. Bait helps heal the gut. And you'll see you see. Lois scoreboard in the gut. So if you can replete a scoreboard and so you can get All this reebok settling down at the same time fasting will help acre man to restore a little bit and so just sort of as a starter protocol You can start on something like that guy that was talking to that. Got This and we put him on that and it's working pretty well so far is up more like can you WanNa you wanNA get your out. Good Question Yeah Yeah. Fasting has definitely because like I've struggled with IBS in the past last time you're on here. We were talking a lot about my gut and everything everything has gotten significantly better and I think because of fasting it has improved even more so since then so I was actually going to ask you about that but yesterday right away so like I mean is it as simple as that. Like fasting with orange juice is there any other Other steps of protocol that we can implement yes so the the the best. The Best of all worlds is a combination of fasting with very specific feeding. So what you WANNA do. Is You want to rebuild with a bacteria in the Gut Gifford sort of bacterial levels up allow fasting to build comanche up but then feed it commands either directly through sort of feeding the fit of bacteria and then one of the one of the things I use in the book is a so pecking Apple. Skins can It's one of the very few ways to feed Acre manziel directly. Another thing to consider is is How much nitrogen? You're getting in the Diet so when the gut is compromised on you have to be very careful about very highlighted nitrogen loads from the Diet. Because what you're GONNA DO YOU'RE GONNA change up nitrogen utilization from internal to external in the gut and that feeds entire different tax bacteria so game protein protein intake down combination of fasting combination things like orange juice and then very specific patterns of feeding very specific things so just to walk through a list. You'd want to look at things like apple skins to start. You'd WanNa look at things like very very a key things like human milk soccer rides they are. That's what you had me take to get over being lactose intolerant. And then a we're not only did they go away and never came back to ask him about that too because we lasted out of their took Baby Eh formula and put it in my protein shakes for like a month gone forever. Yeah they had. What was it called again? It's like what's it called. It's called the US or something Oh it's HMO human mccalla. Yeah Yeah have. A section of my book called carb training and it's a chapter called the three genomes. Where long story short all these things you think are diseases like lactose intolerance and gluten intolerance? No those don't even really exist. Just what you have is a bunch of missing bacteria and you can train in the ability to have any kind of carb just by training in the bacteria that digest those cars. So there's this paradox. The foods that give you the problems make the bacteria that solve the problem so you have to figure out a way to maybe get in small doh very very small doses the thing so what people do typically is just you just start with a thimble full of whatever you're you're saying so let's say it's lactose you start with a symbol full of cheese. You know just like this much just very small amounts and then combined with some of these other protocols you just start upping it just a little bit. What you're doing every time you do that? You take it in it's GonNa ferment. And as you from and make a little bit of bacteria and then you just start conditioning conditioning the gut and you can train in just carbs in a little bit like period. Ization in your training Y- each time you go back to Jim Right. Yeah it's it's just it's for me so so then you just perked up a bunch of people's ears by talking about possibly getting over like a gluten intolerance so can you explain a little bit more on that. Yeah so basically everything you've ever been told as wrong. Completes the prevailing belief is that the problem is the foods that's based on an incorrect idea. It's Base I just avoid all I avoid all these things. That could be problematic. I'll be good right. Yeah and so from that you get all this stuff like the fog map diet and all these other things. That's based on an idea. That's not accurate. It's based on the idea that the human genome controls car metabolism thought accurate. Your body works on three genomes. It works on the human the Mitochondria and the bacterial genome and it's the interplay of those three genomes that dictate the active state of your body. So you can acquire the jeans you need to digest all those things and in the specific case of gluten. There's there's a bunch of research I listen here like one study after another that shows when you replete with a bacteria and people with gluten intolerance. The words that they use in the in the research is sidesteps. Sidesteps Gluten intolerance how do you sidestepping intolerance is because it was never though to begin with the issue is just simply that you're missing the bacteria that have the genes to digest those things and what there's a growing body of research on shows clearly that when you put bacteria levels in the gut gluten intolerance goes away. Yeah Rob Wolf used to be immensely sick from any any any SORTA dairy at all And he was that way with a lot of other things. I was to gluten issues as well. And that's how. He came along with the Paleo Solution. And and that's how he's you know he's written books he does seminars and does all kinds of stuff but I spoke with him a couple of days ago and he was telling me that he's drinking milk so no I mean there's there's definitely there's definitely a lot of proof In in what in what. You're saying you kind of think so after listening to what you just said right there. Do you think that you know I hear people they always say. Oh you know. We're all so different you know. There's not there's not one diet that's perfect for for all of us and I always kind of think it's bullshit. Oh Shit because I think that we are so much more similar than we are different and I I understand that like okay. Environmental like the way that you're brought up and so yeah maybe at this stage agent her life. Let's say to individuals both forty years old or something. Maybe we have become different but we have access to most of the same things hundred percent. So there's was this big push towards personalized nutrition personalized nutrition do or genetic nutrition candidate. Take someone else's it is. Yeah so the twenty three and me and it's so. Here's the thing the the the the macro nutritional drivers are more important in most cases than the individual ones example There's massive commonalities driving the aging process intentionally related. I mentioned be vitamin production and Vitamin D in those two combined. If you fix those two things you will get a bigger bang for the buck than you know your massive individual nutrient analysis Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah the commonalities or whether bang for the buck is when you fix the big common issues a lot out of the personal issues go away. Overeating be in that category. As like the Kinda the macro thing like the people just they overeat I mean. That's a huge driver of a lot of these diseases. Correct on that that's a big topic. really big topic. It's it's difficult to give a single answer to that but A lot of what we think of as over eating in the modern era it's driven by fat loss it's driven by the mechanistic outcome fat loss. And there's all these things that happened post fat loss that people are in the jet wash of and so we've we've been looking at it like you've got to do something and take charge and solve the problem. What I've seen over a forty year period is it's not the lack of trying? That's the problem like if you go interview the general population again you guys are in the twelve percent of people that have metabolic health but when you get outside of that and you look at the average person it's not like there's there's lots of trips to the GonNa GonNa make a change. Well people that lost a lot of weight but then gain it back. I've got a guy right now. WHO's I'm on my partner? Robert reames working on a guy. We just did yesterday Dr Phil Show on this guy. And he's MAZING story but attack. He was set her pounds. He lost four fifty holy Shit and then again back all back. Yeah Yeah and so. It's not like a train. That's not the problem. What there's an unacknowledged problem? And when you begin to survey the eighty eight percent of the population you go. How many of you tried weight loss program? You're going to see mostly like ninety nine percent of hands go up. How many have you tried two three four? The hands are all up ten. The the hands are still up. Okay so the issue isn't like try and there's another acknowledged problem and it's the consequences of fat loss. That's a big big driver of what's going on. One never been quantified. It's never been talked about but it's the irony this entire industry that's based on something that's not true the what they're telling you is if you just shrink fat cells. You've solved the problem. Well the irony is none of. That's been based on what happens when you actually shrink fat cells. It's never even been inventoried if you start in the inventory in her carol show two guys. I remember you kind of painting this picture for us of I. I think you were talking about almost like a spiderweb type effect where the fat cells shrunk. Because you did lose weight but they still have that flexibility to go right back to were they were right. It's almost like they're being pulled on even when they're shrunken right. Yeah you can see it right there. So this is what you're up against okay. This is on one side of the equations. Fat Loss us on the other side is everything that happens as a result of outlaws. And then when you go through new inventory every one of those things it's a reset the sorry. The the biggest driver of the whole thing is the mechanical biology of shrinking fat cells. And it's never even been talked about her inventoried Royd. When you shrink fat cells you reprogram cells through sharing stuff and trucks sharing stress and traction stress and the net result of that is for most people people to lock in weight gain and part locking weight gains overeating? It just doesn't happen until later in so we're not linking it to in what you did two years ago right so it's not just losing the weight. It's at the end of the weight. Loss trying to deal with all of these different things that happened like getting rid of them so that you don't have to so you don't gain wait back pretty much. We use these words like weight loss and you know Internet fast and fell off your body. All your body sees a shrinking vessels shrinking about sells for the body has always the just one word. The body understands his starvation doesn't matter what you call it you can call it you know. I got shape. The body just saw shrinking battles so the body has thousands of years of programming to defend the defend you against dying from shrinking battles and all that stuff comes into play so you you may have. You may have programmed yourself to. Let's say way around three hundred pounds and so I guess maybe a simplified version of maybe what you're saying and you can correct me if I'm wrong. Is that if you made yourself two hundred pounds. You're still have that programming inside your body to be three hundred pounds. Yeah no yeah no. Yeah no I guess the way I would put it would be that. Think of Feast and famine so so there's one nutritional constant throughout all of history for all mammals and that is famine and feasting all mammal share that all mammals share survival defense ends mechanisms to protect against famine. So you guys again being in the twelve percent that actually have metabolic health. Here's what you're seeing so you'll do a contest or you'll do something you'll you'll get in shape okay and so just think of like a Think think think of like a a seesaw here. Okay so so you you reduce body fat. Okay okay now at the end of that. All these mechanisms start to kick in the job of these mechanisms is to restore body fat and usually does this now in your case. What you're actually mimicking is if you abusing ancestral narrative and you go back? There was a starvation We finally you know killed water. Buffalo ate the whole thing. You know so wait. Came back on but there wasn't a refrigerator raider lying around so we needed to go back out and exert ourselves and get more food again so there was continuous exertion. After putting the weight back on you guys is are mimicking that through your lifestyle. Most people can't do that and so what you see. Is they dropped the weight but they don't have the means to replicate continuous exertion. It's the way comes back and it comes back and and actually what you're doing long-term is you're locking in long-term weaken so in terms of continuous exertion. 'cause I mean I've I've heard that you mainly work out one time a week right now or is that. Do you still work out more than that. Exercise was no. It's been about I keep trying to but it's been about once so oh quite some time now longtime so in for like do you think that how would you I guess. Tell the general population or help them with figuring yeah how to do continues exertion of maybe just walking lifestyle. I'm guessing is how you deal with not just going to the gym and exercising. Yeah there's a idea putting the book called the integrated interval and it's the idea that that young bodies have very distinct differences from old bodies. You work out a lot and and take a bunch of stuff and be jacked and still have a whole body okay. Young bodies are very very different like a young body. We'll do it afterwards. We'll just warm up. We'll go spread. Okay nobody's buddies can do that like all kids and teenagers just without any more Bam take off on as you get past a certain age. You can't do that kind of stuff. So there's a concept in the book. I put called the integrated interval interval. which is if you think about? Just if you've ever run an all out quarter an all out quarter one has the power to wipe you out for a day. Yeah like like like a full out. Quarter okay well if you just took that and broken into twenty second intervals. You're getting most of the same benefit the trick is to do without all the other which is getting dressed and warming up and it's just twenty seconds? Warm up back to what you were doing. Twenty seconds back to Jin and integrating Grading that throughout your day every day. And if you'll do that the bodies adoption is he got really strong really fast and condition you to stay in a certain state and and then hanging onto youth is just really about hanging onto that little firm any number of continuous exertion every day through these little twenty second intervals. So I'm always doing these little twenty second intervals intervals and I just. Don't warm up. I just go do them and I go back to whatever so that way. The exertion night you're able to put in isn't going to be that great not warmed up. I mean it's still hard. Yeah right and I'm sure he got used to it and you probably got better at it but his that kind of the idea behind it you're not going to be able to go one hundred percent right. Yeah pretty much But to your point too you get Kinda used to it and you know when if I'm out of it and I start doing it. My my closest has maybe sixty but then if you're just doing it every day yeah you're sixty becomes ninety and you just go out and you can do a ninety. Sorry just vicious look like because in my head on picture you walk down a sidewalk just normally takes us just taking getting off to a sprint kind of looks like like you just do you do something else do you go fucking. Oh Yeah. How's that look? I'm just thinking you probably can't do. Ah God carrying a purse interesting. Did you touch a small here guys issue. You know. I'm a nerd. Most of my days like this in a computer and then I'll just put it down. Go to my thing come back. Just go back to it where it really matters. Most though is is at bedtime. That's the one that really matters so at bedtime. There's a there's a subset of that which is just a couple of things involving Really flexibility and circulation and takes. It's like brushing your taste. I use the analogy of brushing your teeth. You put a minute at night. Two minutes indicate carrier teeth. Allocating a minute or two at bedtime to very few things has has a difference over time. That's gigantic so you mentioned flexible. So what are those few things like doing. One of those. Maybe sprints stretching what what are those things a couple of yoga flows with an ancestral plot. Squad just nothing big just all due to four at the time with with the ancestral squat inch. I'm sure you guys do not need your. I need this book and it's twenty. You're twenty seconds sprints. Are you actually just kind of going. Outside and sprinting. Are you going to attract. I mean you you mentioned like that. You don't need those things so you're not really changing your clothes or anything like that or you. Getting on the only thing. I would wear different shoes but yeah no. I'm just they do that often here. I just bounce from here I go right in the gym and I just start working out in whatever I have Just to you know I don't like A lot of barriers to. It's too slow me down or stopped me from doing something. So I'm like F it I'll just go in there and just the way I am right now start. Training sounds like fun going and suicides on the turf every day handful all times and then twenty seconds why the twenty seconds sprint y y that That's that's kind of your your twenty second interval from hit training and it's about it's about without any warm up. What's at the edge of safe to do right now? It's the repeated attempts where you're going to get injured so if if I'm really tight and doing it then I'll run within my limits but there's some days are better than others and I'm just like Bam out and get it and and good but what the distance in mind usually about you know shooting for two hundred meters but not that fast and I go through periods where like everything's as clicking and I feel like I've still got it and then have a bad week and it's like no doubt but so there's all this research about sedentary lifestyles now. The real problem is your blood. That's the real problem and it's the quality of your blood and it's the mechanical chemical nature. What's going on in the blood and all these different factors? It's where your blood is being created from is a credit from stem cells or is it be being created from medical recess and it's the actual deform ability of blood cells with age. So the real problem is that the blood itself is sort of going downhill. And so because it's going downhill when you're sitting for any length of time you have blood. That's path as efficient as it was when you were younger. Which means hypotheses as sort of a way of existing is sort of taking hold and so by integrating these little things throughout the day? You're pushing that clock back a little bit. Okay there's a lot there in terms of the sedentary lifestyles that like for example the blood. Can we talk about that for a little bit. How does one I guess? Address that I mean other than like you know not sitting all day you know right and getting saying whatever. How do you address? Is that issue. What people do there? It's a IT'S A. It's a big topic. It's a kind of an emerging field and there's a lot of things that are going to be rapidly coming online just to twenty seconds scope of the problem. What's happening is when you were young? Your blood had a very specific composition and ratio of types of immune cells to red blood cells. Okay and it's sort of optimal and you get older. You get fewer red blood cells and fewer are types of immune cells and more other types of immune cells. The blood is essentially mimicking giant injury. Is What's happening okay. And so what. Your blood is starting to do is be a pro inflammatory medium as you're getting older that's kind of what's going on. And and that affects muscle recovery so young muscle and youngblood are two sides of the same coin. They're both related. One of the reasons you see muscle recovery every decrease with age is because the quality of the blood itself is decreasing. So there's this field compare BIOS where we're looking at we're looking at young blood transfusions and the effect that has on the body Couple of keys. That seemed to play into all. This one is timing two is massage Three are there's there's a host of small molecule activators and keep blood proteins that seemed to be emerging that we can target get. If we can rewind real quick when you say timing timing of what so as you begin to age there are very specific proteins. One of them is called your K.. Eight one half and it is a growth protein and basically what it does is it controls the stem nece and the growth cycles of muscle. And when you're younger what happens. Is You get done working out shoots up like this okay and then it does this when you get older. Sure it does this and then it does this. So what's happening. Is this Guy Sore. Recover this guy. No recovery just sore. That's that's what's happening with age. So Getting E R K up higher post workout is one of the ways that we can. We can start to hugh begin to turn turn the clock back a little bit with that one of the ways that seems to work really well. It's super simple. Anybody can do massage so there. I was talking to Ron ten about this. And Rhonda's Bodywork Watt. And if you're around Ron he's just always pumped full and he gets pissed at you to if you don't get body worked on you getting body work done you it worked. I didn't spend my five grand this week. I e. That's his tip to be healthy to be really really you got to be really well. Yeah did you get your five Thousand Square Foot Gym in your house. You Know Ron. I didn't sell a food company by the way. Did you go see the pop tart. Yeah Yeah Yeah legendary food. Listen to this. He made a pop tarts. Yes listen to listen to this. I have a tax on my phone of me. Sending Ron Penna a text. Probably about six months ago saying he needs to tell the powers that be to make pop tart really and he said and he said Okay and gave me like a little thumbs up. I sent him the screen capture of that last night. And he said I did tell the powers that be and we got pop tarts. When when you guys told me I think you told me Andrew that they made a pop tart than Andy told me I was like I think? I'm pretty sure I told them you need. They make pop tart careful because I remember like we were talking to them. And you're like what what's the deal. Where's the pop tart? And he's like they can't say too much but he was kind of like I think he said something about how you can't make one or something to right. He was like probably totally screwing with run. Pinot works in mysterious ways man dairy foods pop tarts is going to be all over the place fix. Oh I'm going to see if I can survive off just that I haven't tried it. Oh my gosh. She gave me one a couple months ago. The funny thing was in target like a month earlier with my my wife and I was like pop tart and then so sure wings it tastes like about part. I'm GonNa live on the thing. That's huge is gonNA flip tip. The fitness industry down all talking about pop tarts forever. Yeah that's huge thing. Ever I really do. I would love to just be in the room when Joel in Ron or speaking to each other because I had imagined over probably like one and a half hour mark you guys just start speaking in Code Mike Mike. Yeah yeah just like making sounds like what happened. Did they break is like no just in their own language. Now we have these we always. Yes we have these crazy mind melds just like yeah we'll get together at this Secret location and we'll just sit there and Kinda get down the rabbit the whole and sometimes it's too much for us you know. And then we got to translate. It transitioned into something else. Something nerdy but yeah. He's He's a brilliant wink wink awesome deal. Yeah the pop tart thing is you mentioned something earlier about testosterone and sleep which I think a lot of men's ears when they heard it but it was never talked about What what were you talking about their exactly brother sleeping? I sixteen hours or something like that right. Yeah so the sex hormones are just have a lot to do with staying young mhm and it makes sense just from a a like in social narratives but we have to remember that. They're not facts. They're just sort of stories that we tell ourselves awesome can change but they're helpful so an ancestral narrative is just the idea that it as long as you're sexually viable your of Certa you're kind of a benefit and your body's going to keep you young and so keeping the sex hormones working has a lot to do with keeping the body young if you can keep the body a young you'll solve a lot of problems so getting testosterone while you're sleeping is a big big deal a big big deal and it's not that hard to do you can do it with a combination of Feeding patterns sort of high fat at bedtime and a very few simple things stupid simple things like Eczema and vitamin D and things like that. Okay is there no negative impact of eating before bed. You know some people think that you should eat you know well before you go to sleep and stuff like that. What are your thoughts on that? Let fits into what when and how so everything should fit into what one in. How and there's A? There's a if you get away from the absolutes and then you just kind of quantify functional outcomes like my functional outcome right now as I wanNA have a couple of nights of making colostrum okay. Great so in order to do that what do I need. I need a lot of fat while I'm sleeping in need. Vitamin D needs minerals. And you get a few basic things and so I'm going to have to three nights. Maybe maybe even want two nights a week where I do that on and there's indicative downside which is if I have to big meal I might disruptive Towfighi she later on during the night but the other side of that is I can fast in the morning a little bit and sort of offset that and so when you put it into a functional outcome So there's there's always negatives to everything you mentioned to me in the past I mentioned to me if I remember remember correctly Having having some issues with fasting and how it it Kinda screwed up So we talked about fasting quite a bit on here but I also I warn people. You know if you're new to a diet diet in my opinion there's no reason to even try to really mess with fasting until you can get a handle on on starting to implement some nutritious foods and get used to the get get used to the Diet that you selected and don't really worry about fasting for a little while And then also I've had my own issues with fasting where I fasted Intermittent fasting you know just doing a sixteen or eighteen hours fast or something like that and then two or three days later I found myself you know at the bottom of a ben and Jerry's You know fish fish food ice cream or something like that. So how can we kind of You know what are what are some of the negative impacts of fasting. And what did it do to you. Talk a lot about that in my book. I'm here because of the negatives I experienced with what you would call time restricted feeding investing in the early nineties. Quick back story in the early nineties. metrics came out. Jefferson was a big promoter and Jeff did an article talking about how he was just eating one meal a day in the evening and so I'm just like okay. Well that's what I was that same guy who read the Corey huge. Yeah Yeah So. I started doing that and I went on metrics and one of the things in biology. Do this in short term and then this and the long term so what happened to me was I was ripped to the bone for longtime about three or four years. I Oh isn't that advice giving stage. What are you doing here? Spent going ahead it figured out and then about year four metrics packet a today's your for your five. I started eating uncontrollably and like I just I you know but there was a burger king. I was there and I didn't know what I don I was like. Yeah I've never done this in my life. I'm just eating all the time. What's going on? And that sat me down this path to figure out what I had messed up and it was a long road. Fix It in a longer longer to figure it out. I feel like it may be crazy and away from a food perspective is this it was the weirdest weirdest sort of thing it was just like just just never never satisfied and it took me years to figure out what I'd done. The research wasn't there yet on the gut hormones. And all that stuff. But I I had a great short-term benefit massive long term problems and so I talk a lot about the book about right now. We're in the era where everybody's jumped on the fasting. Bandwagon and Shannon about the body is that there's usually most things have a long-term effect that opposes the short-term effect. I'm it's true of drugs you go on. Sri reuptake inhibitor. Your great for a while and then you start taking down and it's true. Food is true anything and so you have to know where the road ends before you jump on it you know so you can avoid the pitfalls then for me. It was huge huge. I'd never had problems eating and I just couldn't stopping and were you. Utilizing intermittent fasting or redoing more prolonged faster in today's language. It would be probably time restricted. Feeding yes I was eating any one meal a day in the evening and not if I was hungry pachyderm metrics during the day. But what I realized later on was that there were entire hormonal Maine's I was depriving the body of so one one of them was TD in other words. Fullness in other words flavor and the all the bodies sees is shrinking fat cells and starvation and the body has very specific defenses against keeps track of that ship it up regulates. Yeah no it takes. It takes a while it took years. Was this more so because of your food choices when you were eating or because of the like the act of time restricted feeding time restricted feeding. Okay Yeah so then for people that do utilize time restricted feeding like myself. How do you combat that potential long-term effect is? I haven't felt that yet. But you have me very scared. How long have you been doing it for for Probably like close like a year and a half year close to maybe two years soon yours. Oh you're in the safe zone still. Yeah yeah so I'm just like yeah what what like and also when this happens he was fairly sudden thing was gradually. You just started going to Burger King and then going to Berkeley graduate. What I started seeing was The the things that have worked so well stopped working as well. It just weren't working as well as wall and then the other side of that was I was just eating more and eating more housing this man on and it was. It was a weird thing. I started doing it in about nineteen ninety two and it was really about nineteen ninety-seven that it started kicking in and it took years for me to fix really Ed. How do we avoid that? Just we maybe be a little bit cautious and understand that like if we are going to utilize some intermittent fasting that it would be a great idea to take a little breaks from it and things like that short answer. Yes long answer or abbreviated long. Because I know among wanted could be. If you're going to follow a strategy edgy. That is not based on. What's about your body? You're not going to be happy when you get to the end of the road. That's just the truth. So you have to understand how the body works and you have to understand the effect of quotes starvation on the body. The body has very specific Makhanik defenses against starvation and inventory them in in the book and I go through and we look at them one by one and so you're working against all of these things so the the short answer is you just have to essentially hack those things by mixing encounter points so there you did when you did your post post competition thing right things you did. Were actually designed to counter most of those things so there was a a gut by intervention. We did with you. There was a left intervention where it was specifically designed to counter. The Post fat loss slept shift. And so you have to inventory how the body works and then you attack. Each point is what you do and that's a lot of what you did. Do you still suggests suggests fasting or do you know if you're not sleeping okay. You mentioned it a little bit but sleep is a problem. That wouldn't be good idea now. So the reason we a fast is to get solit- let's break it down. So what are you getting from. Fasten your getting top aide. You're getting stuck. In addition you're getting amp CAIN cert- one activation H. Dhaka's what by the way Histone deacetylases K.. So what's it real quick histone deacetylases so you have. The body runs on. Data runs on information instructions and the body has a couple of different ways it gets data the reads data and a couple of points points. That data is moved around micro Arnaiz are one. DNA methylation and other histone deacetylases ambitions. The other it's probably the most most important and really what it is is in the science these giant words To confuse people it means on. That's what it means. It just means on. Oh we can read it. It's on okay great so while you're fasting. DNA becomes readable readable. Okay that's it's a big topic but becomes readable. So these are things you get from fasting. You get any completion. All those things are present during sleep but there are stronger during sleep because we are diurnal colonel creatures and those things how they natural home in what's called the genetic rush hour. Okay Ju rush hour is in deep such a night. Roughly around four Graham and that's when all of the most important genes in the body are activating for keeping your body. Young so sleep is intermittent fasting. It's just in their a perfect timing so right about that stretch of the night. All those things should be going off with age. They start to decline for a number of reasons which we can talk about. But if you're not sleeping you have to fix sleep first before you fast because fasting can disrupt remm sleep so remm sleep disruption. There's and not agreement on this in the science but there's good reason to believe that it's very important so if you're not dreaming big deal now you did mention an older individuals and a lot of older people mean they all report. I can't see it as much as long as when I was younger. Sleep is more disruptive so I mean a lot of people find it difficult to ripe to fix that. How how do you go about that? So there's several steps order of operations to fix that is part of the reason is due to a decline in NASD so so For the audience is a lot of talk about any lately and just for the sake of going over it. A D. is what motor oil all is to your car. It's not a fuel but the engine won't go without it okay. It's what powers the reactions. So it's an enzyme and it's made from Niacin and and you need it so as we get older. A couple of things are happening. Basically the bodies treating aging like it's an injury so all the things that happen open an injury or or kicking up this and those things are cannibalizing. NHCD okay so specifically immune cell populations almost so what you see is as you get older not sleeping as well you tend to be more inflamed and then you get this sort of cyclical thing. That's happening where the less you sleep less energy you make and it sort of becomes this wheel so so repleting and restore in is is step. One reducing inflammation is step. One repleting eightieth step two for very good reasons and and then stepping the body through restoring the things that are lost so specifically bacteria vitamin D. All these sort of dials that just this go down. And they're very simple big things which is why said that the macro things are bigger than the individual things. And I'm throwing stuff out there. Sorry but this is great. You can dig into it. Yeah so so. Then how do how do we control inflammation. Then how do we get that down. Because you've mentioned it twice now being really important with sleep it's probably the most important thing. Yeah so spinning leaned on inflammation is a skill. In fact I just came out with a course on it called how to age better. Let me kind of walk you through the steps of it first thing is do not supplement with until you get inflammation spun down. The reason is that there are very specific immune cells that use energy for fuel. And they're all inflammatory related so a lot of the research is suggesting a very specific operations to follow before supplementing with any D- The very first step is you gotta get inflammation down because otherwise what's happening is taking. An idea can actually fuel information because it's fueling the The immune cells that need energy to proliferate okay so so let's sort of step through getting information down step one is your dietary factors are probably your strongest controls to help down so in easy. Basic basic pattern is to combine spinning up fit in the body. So the way you would do that I call it the two decor powder. Tom Is on the on the day. One you're sequencing very specific foods in the right order so generally you're dark fruits in the morning On and then more resistance arches in the afternoon. And what you're doing is you're spinning up till during that day and what we're doing is we. We are amplifying fasting signals without fasting by getting the body to make the bacteria that make Buta rate while you sleep during the genetic rush hour to amplify all signals so those signals are inherently anti-inflammatory at bedtime. There's a number of steps to ensure you sleep really well a really great tool is called Liam I'd Liam I'd is works on the works on the CB one and economic one receptor and that in combination with Melatonin and a couple other little hacks can help you get to sleep but spinning inflammation down through the production. Shen of key. Bacteria leading into fast amplifies all the signals of fasting without actually having a fast and then a pattern of fasting asking sort of in an amplified state. So one of the one of the ways you can do that is as you begin to fast. On the second day there are lots of different tool sets you can use to help spin down inflammation one of the easiest and best is molecular hydrogen. And and there's a number of reasons why that's true but molecular you guys have looked for now. I'm thinking where do we get that same place. We get a flux capacitor from running too fast. I'm just I'm taking notes and I'm like I'm going to have to Google that later. I remember when you were talking to me about fasting. Asking you had like foods you don't I was like isn't fasting just like not eating food You had things that are still mimicking fasting in the body and still getting the benefits of fasting. Yeah one of my my. My first project with quest was was creating foods that mimic fasting this was before there was a fasting. Mimicking Diet Diet was was looking at. How can we get the benefits of fasting without the downside without the sleep disruption without all those things so when we look at fasting? We'll look at what the body needs needs during fast team. There's a very key idea that pops up it's called PEX OFF AJI so PECs off. Aji is a tough Aji of the PAROXYSMS Rox Oems K.. Proxima are these little tiny organisms within cells that primarily process long chain fats and this gets into sort of a modified view of what drives aging long story short as we get older. There's very specific changes happening in the PAROXYSMS that are switching on a pro aging program and the irony of that is the process homes control and anti aging program. So there's a switch in these little organisms in once you understand how to switch it. You can actually switch on the pro aging program or excuse me the anti-ageing program. The way that's done is by learning how to initiate Peck softy. What he he does is it clears proximus out to get rid of the ones that aren't working and you multiply brand new ones? Keeping the PAROXYSMS young. A lot of inflammatory issues will go away because they mediate so many things so amplifying fasting is a thing of spinning up very specific bacteria prior to fasting then during fasting taking in very specific foods. So one of those your mega fats and a league acid it. So you've got you a mega threes and you've got your Meghan. Is Your your first step. Is you're a mega threes. Because what those do is they. Make paroxysms proliferate okay. So if you're fasting and then having a mega who's on top of that not MCAT's but a mega threes zones have to process those fats and they're going to proliferate okay and then coming into second fasting you can begin to shift substrates into oleic acid switching to your megabytes. And what's going to happen even as you continue to feed the process oems these fats. Is there sort of getting tuned. And then long story short coming out of that and switching into Glucose Glucose will induce sexology. So what happens is the proximal are tuned up the proliferating. They're they're making new ones triggering. Monica Andro. biogenesis you're fasting. Inflammations going coming down and then a period of excessive feeding following that really what we're doing is mimicking. Feminine Feasting Blows Lows Inflammation out turns. PECs off and that's what you did after your after your your that's awesome. This sounds like something. Obviously you mentioned that this is going to help with inflammation But you mentioned this is like maybe two or three day process. Is this something that one has. This type of issue would do every few weeks once a quarter order like or is it. Is it like how like a house at times. Everybody should do this like everybody. Everybody's life skill. Yeah this is everybody should learn how to do. It's very simple to do like a really cool thing. If you step back and look at this I I'm throwing a lot of big words and a bunch of stuff and it's a little intimidating but the end of the day all I'm saying is each stuff in gene pattern. That's all I'm saying. So is this like a weekly thing. That's what I'm talking about is. How often do you do this process of eating or is this just a way you should be? Ideally eating all the time This particular piece for targeting paroxysms Probably every two weeks. Okay you know you can do the what the case making the book. A foundation for optimal peak human health is combining combining fibers that produced the right bacteria with fasting with the occasional. Big Meal. All in kind of a sequence that I lay out a book okay. We had a doctor. Tony a huge on the podcast before and he talked about psalms and he was talking about the things that arms can kind of turn on or stimulate and he was even though he is is like the guy that brought to the forefront. One of the guys who brought to the forefront he just said look it's not a good idea to keep these things stimulated all the time it's good to move in and out of it and sounds sounds like you're saying the same thing but just with yeah Move in and out of different things. There's different reasons to do different things at different times. And while there is a great benefit it to fasting Maybe we don't WanNa take it too far whether it's great benefits to this and that we got to also realize there's kind of again a Yang to each thing that we do right. I would agree with that. Yeah Yeah there's I tried to. I tried to do a Master's thesis in the Book of giving people a foundation. That is the single best foundation in for health by balancing out a lot of different things. But then the thing that makes it. Unique is the sequencing. And the timing and the matching to not just journal Rhythm but Circus Upton Rhythm which the seven day rhythm and then even seasons and so once you get that ending sorta sinks in. You've got this thing you do. But it's built with the idea. Yeah that offsetting getting off. The reservation is just built into it and I give these examples in the book of like okay. Here's here's kind of a perfect way of doing it. You did it. But then here's here's dinner with pizza and ice cream and the offset pieces just built in the next day. So don't even worry about it and and then if you WANNA have season of being kito you can do that. You won't have a season of being cardboard you. I can do that. Yeah I remember when you're here last time you talked. You told us how we could eat ice cream and how we can eight pizza and Kinda offset. I remember when when you and I were doing some stuff together. You were saying that you kind of you like to work in threes so you have like the meal that you just had but you know what did you eat beforehand and then like what you know. What's next meal GonNa look like a new? You tend to balance things out In that way and you were talking earlier about how balance you feel is a key component to this whole whole thing's so that's what you're really trying to do trying to juggle all the hormones in the body and and try to have it be the most beneficial without ending up running into a brick wall of the negative aspects of even something most of us would think Is Smart to do which which is fasting but you could certainly overdue Some of these things and things that are good for us can end up kind of biting us in the ASS along. We're not careful. Yeah I I have a chapter in the book dedicated to balance. And there's a couple of concepts in there that I think are probably worth talking about so we'll just kind of read some of these. It's it's interesting when you when you look at like this. So here is these are just quotes from quotes from the research okay. A chronic inflammation deregulates cellular balance and can drive carcinogenesis cancer. A hallmark of aging is a decline in metabolic balance loss of balance in cartilage contributes to the Development Austria Arthritis disturbance. Systemic iron balance causes two major classes of disease the disruption of dynamic circulatory balance mediated by the brain Causes Heart failure so I could have listed harp pages of this. But what what this takes us into the camp of is what I offer is. The single highest truth of health which is balance is health imbalance is disease and it brings us to a super interesting question which which is will sustained input of healthy things imbalanced produce health or disease long-term. ooh It's now think about waters healthy. What happens if you imbalance water? You got you yeah. A grains are healthy. What happens if you imbalanced grains got injury? Cut Injury protein healthy. What if you what happens? If you imbalanced protein now yeah now. We're getting into pissing people off territory. Let's just kind of diamond so proteins healthy but if you imbalanced protein what can you get. So you can get you can get an imbalance bile acids in the gut which is inherently Genyk Brock listener attributes his opposition to bouncing protein. Here's the big one. Fats are healthy. What happens if you imbalance fats? Long-term so I make the case in the book that Even fats well first of all. There's a ton of research shows like excessive fats right. Just it's like fats in the Diet if you imbalanced so there's a whole school of thought that or excuse me a whole school of research shows High fat diets are cancer promoting doing so. Then what about like keough diets. What about that's from Keto diets? It must always be healthy right right. Is it not question. Yeah the question is it's worth talking about so it turns out I make the case in the book. There's a key compound produced by KIA diets. It's what's called an oxidized phospholipids but it's basically it's called four hydroxy. No Neil Okay and when you look at four Hydroxy Nino it's probably the mechanistic reason Zain that explains much of the benefit of Kita diets. And what happens is within the Mitochondria. There's a special fat called Cardi. Eleven when that gets oxidized is it produces what's called an electro file. It's a highly highly highly highly reactive molecule called four hydroxy. No Nino and when you look at four hydroxy no It's a cancer promoter but you're seeing Keita. Diets is when you're going to diet. OXIDATIVE stress goes up. Then it goes down so what happens is four hydroxy no Nino gets produced and the body regulates production in the Medical Andrea. So you actually get improvement in oxidative stress for awhile but then the thing about four hydroxy no is after while it accumulates and so when you see four Nino when it begins to get past small mall amounts in the body it does some interesting things. It's it's a direct cancer promoter. It kills it explains why queued that's can kill some cancer cells. In other cancer cells they are able to diffuse four hydroxy known into adjacent cells where it can promote cancer In high amounts it makes cells explode explode. So there's some research now that is beginning to bubble up that shows damage within the Medical Andrey in animals for long-term Keto diets. Yeah so it gets to this issue of thank you. It gets to this issue of healthy things. When imbalanced over very long periods do they produce healthier disease? Juries probably out. Yeah but there's good reason to take a look at it so sort of a long winded Joel explanation for I mean and even like lifting you know we know that lifting is you know has some benefits but if we if that's the only form of exercise you ever do we don't really know we don't really know how healthy it is do. Do you feel like there's enough information Do you feel like we've been around long enough with the right correct scenarios to even know what the perfect perfect diet is because you know caveman and people from thousands of years ago they They had a diet that had less of an influence wins of things that would negatively impact their metabolism but they also didn't live very long but they died for different reasons. Now we don't have those same Same type up of threats but we have a lot of food options in front of us to make the correct choices but it. It almost seems like up until now we didn't even have the opportunity to really explore explore. How long someone can live in? How how long someone can live a good strong healthy life? What are your thoughts on that? I think that so short answer. No I don't think we have. I don't really have the answer to everything. Definitively speaking I think that And we're we're we we're getting inklings of better versus. Not but I think again that issue comes back to you have to come back to. What's most is true about the body and balances the thing that's most true and so when you look at inputs meaning food you have to look at what? What is the imbalance that can result from sustained overdoing it from anything and far from being restrictive? It's actually quite freeing. Because if you incorporate the idea of seasons into that gives you a lot of leeway and it makes a lot of sense th- there there there are seasons when maybe tons of meter available and and it's fine on there are maybe seasons when other things are available like you know maybe certain types of fruits are season things like that and what we find. Is these things balance each other out up where you can begin to get an inkling of of how things work is some of the newer research looking at the effects of things that we think are good or bad had an good example is a mega threes. So newer research with super long live people Shows that high Sierra mega threes. He's in the blood. Actually die faster and the reason is because you get oxidized fats in the blood from High Surma magazine again that probably it doesn't mean that Omega threes or bad it doesn't mean about right it doesn't mean they're bad but where you see that stopped becoming an issue if the Mediterranean Diet while. There's there's high fats in that Diet. Nobody's got a cholesterol she. Why because it's balanced out with females in those females offset the oxidation of fats in the serum? So the the other extreme of that is if you look at Fi- If you look at fiber and protein and we mentioned earlier when we were talking to your brother about there's a there's a there's an addict produced by the fermentation of meat in the gut cell fiber ferments in the gut. Meet ferments in the Gut. It's easy to take a piece of meat. put it out leave it out for a few days then need it okay. Bacterial firm it on that. Well there is a cancer promoting compound. UH-HUH SIX METHYL TO WANNA sing that forms in the gut when meat from ensign the gut when you had fiber in with it fiber acts like detergent and it doesn't isn't form so there are mechanistically reasons to look at when you begin to balance things out a lot of the negatives of everything go away now that does not mean you have to beat the four group food groups at every meal. It doesn't mean that but it doesn't mean that over time things have to balance out. So then how does this translate. Because you know the people who do it like there's a carnivore died. uh-huh how do you feel eight twenty three world kind of our month. Yeah so how. What should people be thinking about using the carnivore? Diet as a way Dropping body fat etc.. What should he be thinking about long term? I think it'd be highly useful for very functional purpose. I think it'd be highly useful for season of really wanting to put a ton of muscle on I'm just in a camp that thinks that nothing is GonNa be me when it comes to putting muscle on. I think it was very good. REASONS TO WANNA put muscle John for periods Particularly older Particularly overcoming age related issues with muscle one of which is intramuscular fat fat deposits. You really need to knock those out as you get older. Okay on. Because they create a feedback loop with fat that shrinks muscle Any any idea of Like the body. Fat Percentage of you know some people that are like a hundred years old or some people that live long as you know we talk about this you quite a bit like we don't really see a Lotta like jacked people like you know really being like older you know Above the age eighty or Obviously like you you know it's life is GonNa Kinda like wear you out at some point and shit will fall apart at some at some point but a also even like You don't really see like someone like six. I five or six seven six eight. We'll see a lot of like large individuals so even in the case of like getting muscle. It's probably makes sense to have like some muscle mass but maybe that could also be. Maybe maybe not something that you're seeking out all the time. There's some really interesting research on muscle mass protein intakes age and inflammation So just to kind of sum it up. We're we're looking at loss of muscle with age we're also looking at Age age-related increase of intramuscular fat fat and muscle share some common signaling Molecules Interleukin one and some other things what happens is as fat begins to deposit in muscle. It creates a signal feedback loop it suppresses muscle growth with age so we have to hack that we can hack that with feeding patterns and you know a lot of other things but at the same time what's going on is the body's reacting differently to protein intakes at with age so there is some evidence that suggests lower protein intakes in about the mid fifties probably going to be less uncle genetic in nature. You probably have a less cancer risk but then as you get above a certain he's like you get above like late sixties actually need more protein intake because things flip and now what you're seeing is is like sort of your past the past kind of cancer cancer onset phase. And now you're into the phase and now you actually need more protein and this is the I mean this is something I've never heard anybody even talk about but That makes so so much sense that you would have you. Would you would have different. Nutritional needs at different ages than we do talk about it like with like a toddler or something and then an infant. And then we don't really ever talk about any further that don't unit. Oh Yeah Yeah. If you're over the age of sixteen it's like you know you just start eating kind of all the same stuff Yeah yeah hundred percent in fact so when you look away proteins canes and way performed very differently in older versus younger populations so yeah there's very different needs as as you age. Yeah this I mean this is all crazy crazy fascinating You and I talked about Crate him In the past a little little bit and Isla sharing with you. I was like you know. I'm not really sure why but man it's helping me a lot with With my fasting Do you have a hypothesis on that at all the have a you know. What are your thoughts on why that might be happening? I wish I knew a little bit more about it. I haven't looked at it that much but it just kind of what I do know is just an economic receptors so the the cowboys Sigli and has a lot to do with. How will all you deal with fast? And and I think critic probably works on that pathway but I would first prisons. I am not an expert in that. Haven't looked at it enough. Really say anything super smart so aw go and begs the thing about aging south yet ga.. There's no way to make this short answer. But you're talking to the right guys uh-huh okay so like when you look at individuals twenties thirties forties fifties sixties. Like you mentioned you know at fifty might need a decrease protein is sixty minute. Increase it for different reasons but when it comes to like other groups like carbohydrates et Cetera. The way like. I know that we're not that I know but you know a lot of people report that all used to be so many carbs in my twenties and thirties. I'm getting fat Like what do people need to be thinking about as you're getting older in terms these different groups number one thing is rate of aging and Cobra. HYDRATES insulin production. So number one thing is a school of thought that the number one thing driving your rate of aging is insulin production after age. Forty five so that like above any other factor You can make a very good argument that how much insulin you make pass forty five is going to kind of like you know the the course of what's left so that's a that's the big deal to think about and the types of carbohydrates that you're eating and All those things on the other side of that is that you also also have to think about maintaining the bacteria in the gut and your best way to do that is through very specific types of fiber and carbs. That are for the most as part insulin sensitisers the actually make insulin. Work better long-term and so all that comes down to kind of a master's thesis of went went. Do what an and that really is the key everything. It's the question everybody has is what went. And how you know some getting out of the good bad fiber good as bad plants. Good you know getting out of it's just everything has a what when and how your big one though nutrient wise would be would be that the next thing the next thing is looking at a kind of kind of Fat Intake in when you're doing now and what kinds of fats specific to to the functions. I talked about like so PECs off Aji. She is a really big one. Most of the emphasis on anti-aging in the fitness communities Ben on mytalk Andrea function. I'm of the opinion that needs to rethink just because has We don't really hundred percent understand how the mighty Andrea Work and targeted medical andrew with the antioxidants may not be a great idea long-term But something that is probably a little easier to control is a and proliferation of paroxysms and that can be controlled through types of fats and fast and A. and so that's a big component in things. Is it a little bit hard for you to get your message out because You know you got guys like Marxists in and Dave asprey Rob Wolf. Have you have people that are. These are brilliant people and they're all sharing Those guys have some things in common. But there's a lot of people pull in the nutrition space They have like a they have like a cold hard stance like this is what we're doing right and you know I wrote a book called the war on carbs and maybe it's maybe maybe it's easier to get behind like all right. I'm just not going to eat any CARBS. Like it's such a simple concept Do you think sometimes you have a hard time may be getting your message out or having your must be clear ear With sharing this idea of like balance I don't know yet that's why I wrote a book I wrote this. I've always been really concerned with truth and I have a lot of people going like you think you are thinkers expert on and sounds like a halfway there at least to be an expert. I kind of have to explain this from the preface of I have literally just been then that dude at the front of the line the consumer like going you know like I could put half an inch on day. I work twelve hours of curls. I'll do it. Aw Dude inch on the arms in one day done the program I did it. Did it work for me. I got I got source gave me like Like grabbed Oh you know the arms it made my arms woven but they were like you know so. That's been my whole life where I got some advice from someone and I did it. I did did that exactly and then I was explaining these guys a little bit about this program. Remember remember much about it. Does everything so late. Eighties early nineties. Is this kind of got to put this program out there. This is real. This is real in one day. Yeah so late. Eighties early nineties. Is this kind of like weird time. For what what we call fitness and there's just a lot of bs so there's there's this stuff called hot stuff. There's all hot stuff I think ended up having like Diana ball in it. Pretty good puffy wrack raise. Yeah Yeah Yeah. There was a lot of that going on so there was. There was a magazine article that came out it was eighty nine And it talked about a half inch on your arms in one day so I grabbed like four pounds of bananas and I parked at the gym like at eight. Am same thing and then left like eight o'clock that night. And I took a year to get my arms back the normal after that I just it just totally screwed up you. So you'd work biceps and triceps like periodically like the whole day and and I brought a bunch of food to the gym. I had like bananas and I had hard boiled eggs. You'd camp out Jim Rohn. It was like a twelve hour thing I mean it was. It was absolute insanity. Who else did this one Ron Ron? I'm sure we all on the same day the the same month. Yeah so you got to relive that we gotta go down. Iran's Jim and it'll be fun all train together and put an inch on the arms in one day I wouldn't last more than ten minutes but that's my whole life has been listening to stuff like that and then years of problems from listening to something you know where someone else made their money and I was shocked out so that. Got Me to this place of like Nick. What's really true versus what's not? And so that that was a big impetus with this but the other thing too is today what we think of as this whole thing. It's very it's in a place very similar to nineteen ninety two martial arts so you have these different schools like no dude. Karate is the best no Dude Kung Fu shreds. No Dude like boxing will kick your ass any day of the week. No two Kito crushes okay. That's where we're out today and what Hulk Hogan beat the Shit all those people and what was really true then is they all have one thing in common none of them were dealing with reality not want and then along comes mixed martial arts and redefines the map and sometimes what happens in an endeavour. Is You get so far away away from what's really true that there's this loud snap back to truth and what I just saw was that as a whole the industry had gotten S- has has gotten so far from what is actually true. That was the big impetus with this. And it's like you go. Category by category man like I have four chapters in your the body fat because the truth of body fat has never been laid out. Never like okay. So you reduced fat cells. So here's here's what happened. The Extra Cellular Matrix is going to up regulate Collagen to plus Collagen six college. Those it's also going up break regulate matrix amount of proteus not as eleven and fatty acid binding protein four. Those are going to reprogram fat cells. And what's GonNa Happen. Is You'RE GONNA get all the shearing and traction stress on like w this has never been okay. That's how fat cells really work. And here's the consequences and also like what. What is the ideal human body fat level so I'm sure there's some variations with some genetics and things like that. But that has the planet to intuit to write that has to be a big. That's a big big factor. If you're you know if you were I don't know let's say eighteen percent body fat most most of your life and you're like man I'd love to make some changes and now you're living in single single digit body fat land. It might be very stressful on your body right Very much. So there's there's A lot of new revelations about what's always been true for example. This is really interesting on as the body gets super. Lean colleague where you were at for your contest New Fat cells start to get formed and the reason they start to get formed. Excuse me new life. Droplets start to get form. The reason they're getting formed is that there are carnitine within the Mitochondria Andrea. They're getting damaged and these damaged cartoons are very destructive to the Monica Andrea. So what happens is a fat. It turns out is longevity regulator and what happens is all this damage stuff Overwhelms the detoxification ability of the south. So it gets sequestered into body fat into Leiper droplets the life of droplets. Just kind of act like this nuclear containment facility for all the toxic aggregates and so it kind of protects the body from it and so as you're getting super super lean. It's kind of. It's kind of kind of saying. Like how long are you really going to do this for dude. Yeah you're getting sort of negative points and the body has a backup mechanism for that. So there's there's I I believe that we're walking into a new era where we're going to really look at how things actually work and get away from a lot of these narratives. Have you ever had an opportunity to work with a body bodybuilder. Before yes yeah and then like how do you I know that you have worked with me and in my body bullying show But you know I was. I was on a very as specific diet and stuff like that so I didn't flirt without too much but you helped me after the contest What about you know Somebody going into into a contest some contest on test. Prep like what are some things that you may have done with a body builder. That looks different so that people can kind of avoid what. You're what you're talking about cannot avoid it if you're trying to get super lean. That's not an area that I ventured into. I think there's a lot of dudes that do pre contest. Prep Hall lot better than I would do. It hasn't really been my focus. I do have my areas. Where like you know if I want to get really lean our own help? Somebody get really Lena. I'll do that I'm I'm coming at very differently than a bodybuilder. Would yeah so. I don't know that I'm qualified qualified to the intuition that they have on. Some of it is pretty crazy. Like where my coach was like you know go out tonight and have a bacon and cheese burger. It was he would see something in my body where he thought I needed very specific foods. And I'm finding commonality between you know what you're saying and what these guys are saying. It was probably exactly just to offset like he knows you're in a deficit knows your body's craving these nutrients and now your body's going to suck a lot of these things uh-huh. Yeah Yeah. I mean that's Gosh against show on that when so you and I also discussed asked you're mentioning ice cream pizza and stuff like this and you kind of already touched upon a little bit but What about somebody just just you know? He's talked about seasonal. What about some kind of taken a diet break and they and what about the influence of some processed foods and stuff? We know that this is going to exist in the Diet anyway because it's uncontrollable there too. Delicious things tastes too good But the does this make sense From a health perspective this makes sense for people to just just say you know what for the next two three weeks. I'm just GONNA. I'm just going to relax on a diet a little bit and I'm GonNa. I think you need some rules for yourself and I wanna be he carefully especially if you're heavy but do you think this is a good idea. Yeah this is interesting. New Research starting in two thousand fourteen on the benefits of sort of the other side of dieting on metabolic. Speaking so on. There's even very specific proteins. That are starting to kind of be identified Circulating Cadillac factor other different types of proteins. That are induced by overfeeding or just sort of kind of like changes in food patterns and the net of these things so you change things up. You're you're going on this thing. That sort of the outset seems like why would you do that. Dude you're GONNA get fat but the net result is you're actually up really regulating keep proteins and things in the body that actually help you stay leaner so There's a lot of benefit that can be can be We have a rap sheet here and the the guy that made it said that he eats eat primarily fast food is that legit. It's one hundred percent true but it's not junk food. Okay okay. Yeah no I I actually. There's this funny thing with people that know me Making fun of me like when we go out because I will. I'll eat you know I'll I'll if I WANNA celebrate I will yeah I actually very healthy vache actually really healthy. It's just that I number one. I don't do any meal prep I do everything on the go with healthy sort of fast food for the most part. No when you say healthy will like what does it entail like when you go to a certain place. What are the things that you get? What are the things that you avoid I I I won't avoid anything if I want. Okay what I do. A lot of is I eat for function on the go. And and it's so here's the crazy crazy in fact when we get done I'll put you guys on it just for fun is it's actually healthier than just about anything and you can do because what we're doing is where you can get so isolated on like You know the the the minutia of the food like yeah but but was that chicken can raise Brazilian grass. was he eating like with long ancestoral mouse. How's he taking care of? You can get so obsessed on that that you're actually getting away from some of the mechanistic aspects of food so So what what. I have like Sort of a list of of Places that are you know on very specific days very specific times I'll go to and I can do a a meal. Specifically to spin up the fiddle back Tiriac area and then maybe the next day I can eat very specific types of fats just on the go without even having to do anything and because all these things fit into to sort of a connected pattern of like I'm spinning with about material pure. I'm inducing a tough issue here on is actually a healthier as crazy easy as it sounds no meal prep and it's actually healthier and I'll be us but I didn't do that to be honest. I it just came out of necessity. I had this period in the mid two thousand dollars running. This company grew multimillion dollar company. And I went from being five body fat at the start of that job to two hundred sixty pounds fat. Okay I mean I was like our revenue curve of my weight where identical and it really really bothered me because I had thirty years of fitness in at that point and I just found for me that all that collapsed when I put the ecosystem of the Real World War on it I was turning forty working. Fourteen hour days He I remember you. Tell me the story to you. This is how you kinda landed on. All this stuff is that you suspend Basically your whole early lifetime like training. Yeah and you know eating correctly or correctly as you thought time and then once I was kind of taken away from. You didn't have that much time to put into it. Boom you gain a bunch of weight. Yeah when I found out I found out the hard way And it's it's a it's something that's never really talked about and I and I think You know for people that are sort of in the business of helping other people. I think a really important shift needs to happen which is to understand that there's an ecosystem difference in that ecosystem different crates probabilities. That are very different in both ecosystems and so we WANNA have solutions for any ecosystem and if you have a solution it has to be designed for that ecosystem that that you you know your client is in for example for example somebody has a nine to five and they are at their desk all the time. Maybe they can't do. You know the hundred and fifty different exercise. You want to do every single day. Yeah and so I for me how to create something that that worked in that ecosystem and what I found over time was that most most of the advice coming out of the fitness ecosystem. Just didn't translate and it didn't translate. Due to willpower time management it was probability it was the probability of where your minutes go at. I just needed that for me in that ecosystem and then that turned into this thing where like a realize what most people were doing over time was they would try and adopt the fitness ecosystem. And then they've failed time probability constraints overtime and so- so hacking that problem became Kinda like thing I got obsessed with was walk us. Walk US through this. You go to McDonald's in the morning and then for lunch you go to Chippewa. McDonald's you're talking about these fast foods so what what what does it look like. What exactly are these foods that we're talking about? Oh so you mentioned Patel Dude. That's a that's a good. That's still kind of avoid like McDonald's Burger King that kind of stuff yes absolutely. Yeah I eat healthy all the time. The only difference in me is like I don't hold out from celebrating if I want to offset it after I do know and in fact if you compare me to the average person. They're doing the same thing they're just not offsetting adding it right. That's all they're they're they're convincing themselves. They're strict but then they're doing party on the weekends and then they don't know how to offset and there's some people that are trying to offset it but also in a very unhealthy fashion because they're like all right. I'm going forty five minutes on the elliptical. I'm going hard. I'm starting back on Monday. Getting everything back on track and then they kind of continue to do that. And it's definitely that back on track thing is what most people are stuck in And I think I figured out a better way which is that If you look at how the body really works on Multiple Times a day. You're burning fat. Storing fat burning fat storing fat the smartphone. So if you can take the periods where you're burning fat and make the curve bigger and the birds where you're storing fat and shrink it okay on then you you are going to increase your probability of getting what you want. It's not a panacea at you're you're GonNa always have seasons where you gotta get back into pull more time into it. It's never going to go away but what you can and get rid of is over time we've seen is maybe it'd be more beneficial. Did Not even think about being on a track you know like people say they got off track. Maybe it'd be more more beneficial to just say like this is I'm going to implement and employ What I can what I can stick to for a lifetime Yeah ext so plug my I just came out with this Course called how to eat and it's all this stuff in the book it's just more more of it on but let's take to your website. Had A lot of great stuff on it too and you're sharing that with me when I was It had like the meal plans and everything. ooh Yeah all that stuff So like what I would do. Is I would do that the day before fast. And what you WANNA do is it. Is You want to get a black beans double portion no rice put them in a separate bowl. Okay then in a separate bowl from the black beans you WANNA put in double chicken double scoop of hot peppers and then a bunch of hot stuff. So like the grains of salsa put that in there little a bit of cheese. The cheese is going to help fat oxidation. Then what you do. is you go over to the ice machine. You dump ice in the beans okay and then you stirred up turning turning thing into a resistant starch. Yes right yeah what you're doing is you're taking you're not feeding you. You're feeding the bacteria so you're taking the chicken the black beans and you're turning them from from a substrate that feeds you too. Something that feeds bacteria so then you just drain out. All the water dumped dumped the beans in the other pictures seeing him at this interplay. You're trying to get your soda. And he's like I don't know it's it's a condo piece like I'll be. I'll be in Paul. Doing this and people are just like kind of doing this like yeah. Like yeah and then you take some hot sauce and put that on there. And Wow like you're gonNA feel all afternoon all afternoon so it's a gut bomb and everything in that Burns fat and makes bacteria and so. Here's the thing where people get derailed is is poor tag on Kat with Mike their hands in their path not triple organic de Saturated it like you get into that whole thing. Who Love that voice? I love you get into that whole thing. And but what we're leaving out of the equation is foundationally speaking. You have to come back to order of operations and so keeping keeping Bethesda. BACTERIA SPUN UP. Does all these other things long list of things that it does. And so you know the trade offs in terms of like you know grades of like chicken chicken meat and you know all this stuff is offset by the fact that mechanistically your timing production back for bacteria to the genetic rush hour. So there's a functional tool there. Okay I can do that on the go. And there's several other things like that that I've just developed that eliminate meal prep bean lean and all that stuff is actually healthier. It's healthier are. Are you concerned because you said extra peppers right So I 'cause I looked into it too but I guess they cook the Sauteed in rice. Bran oil is that concerning at all. So there's always pros and cons. Everything's everything's a series of like pros and cons There's there's like the there's the benefits and then there's the negatives sugar like sugar is not all negative right right. Yeah AH so. I talked about this in the book. I call it baby talk okay. The the the baby talk is the what without the win in the House and the the analogy is words. Like if you're a baby and you cookie you might get a cookie okay but if you WanNa get elected president or you want to win the heart of that special person or get a job learning to use the right words in the right time in the right way has a power nothing else has food works exactly like that so once you get how to use the right foods and the right time and the right way it's a power and and it's true of anything health anything so we're we're the industry's out right now. One hundred percent is you know just through the voice plaster bad meet meet good fiber bad to marks works in here. You know you're in this. You're in this. Nineteen Ninety martial arts. Good bad sort of thing. That's not how things work. The reality is. Anything can can be good or bad on. It depends on what's what's the objective and then when and how timing and how it's used and once you get that it changes everything changes absolutely l. e. everything so the negative is that they cook it in these types of faith but then the other side of it is Yeah but you're going to be spinning up key you you're giving keep bacteria right substrate at the right time in the right way when you most need it which is at four in the morning when each dock and all these other things are going off. So where's the way off there. Do you think a lot of the science that you've learned a lot of things you learned over the years. Do you think that it's possible that maybe some of it might be incorrect. Correct In Association back to Depending on what style diet someone's Following so let's say let's say for example that we just say okay Meet can be Carcinogenic right let's say we say something along those lines. Would that be true if somebody was to. Tom Predominantly only eat meat like do the rule starts to change when we don't have so many dietary. That's a fantastic fantastic great question So the history of science is the history being completely wrong while we were sure we were right. The Earth's flat. Yeah that's the history of science in fact it's just happened with cholesterol. You know in the last year or two we were wrong it's not hd it's not We were So I always just try to come back to a place place of a EMPIRICISM is extremely important but you have to also look at does it make sense does is it kind of fit a loose central narrative and then observations have I seen this work on a lot of people and then and then even then you. We need a little bit of balance in there. And so that's why I keep coming back to that idea of balance that you know In the right time the right way just about anything on the table and I think that makes sense and I think that's reasonable. I think you know while I enjoy Akito Diet and I enjoy The Diet that I'm on now a carnival carnivore style Diet Diet. I'm also like I also a firm believer in in eating the things that you know the natural foods that were put on this earth for us to eat which I think would include vegetables. I've talk about it all the time here on the show problem against vegetables This is a little bit more of an experiment for this month to kind of this deep into it. I also think that fruits can be gray. Great I also think that Potatoes and rice. And I think there's a place for a lot of these different things In my diet I don't know when I'll go back to Mix those things in but if somebody somebody wanted to be on a carnivorous style diet they wanted to follow that what what is something. They should really really aware of what's something that maybe You know people are just kind of diving into it. 'cause like mark you've got lean so I'm going to kind of do it with you. What's something that maybe people should Should know ahead of time time. Is it going to be important to spin back out of this. Is it going to be important to adding fiber while you're doing the Diet where some of your thoughts on that. The kind of high level I think I always like to tie things to serve a functional and I think that there can be a lot of positives to that in terms of actually bringing inflammation down so that could be a goal and going after or adding muscle. That could be going after on so I had number one would put it to a functional outcome like so what I'm GonNa do. Is I have a period here where I'm going to leverage the power of meat to put some muscle on for a while and that's a it's a really useful thing or or I need to spend information on someone. Combined fasting with sort of a period of a lot of me. And it's going to help with that I'm I'm GonNa add this little thing here. Maybe these specific fibers to sort of offset. Maybe the potential Genetic aspects of meat from any in the GUT Joey only move the opinion that in the short term. Nothing's really that big a deal like a short term being even trying it for a year or two or or I actually ordered periods on I only vermin probably about six months is kind of my idea the short term and I think a lot of things Keto Diet Karm can be very beneficial in in those time prints on the other thing that that I would throw out with that is Stop do not pass go to you. Understand how body fat really works when you reduce it. Because that's that is the number one thing what happens is when you're in your twenties. Have a quote my book from Joe rogun-ri Talks about a weight cut and he and he said he observed that just it seems like after a while the body develops a resistance and he hit it right on the head so we just think that losing fat is just this thing. You can do it anytime you you want but actually when you look at what's actually really true about how fat works overtime. You body build a resistance to fell us and it's and it makes sense if you think about just from starvation relation perspective we call it fat loss but historically its called surveys so the more you starve the body gets better at it holding onto fat so I think you have to understand how that actually works and and how to counter all. The mechanistic adoptions to it. I think that's a really big thing. My own personal experience. I've been the universe what I see. A lot of the people who are in their forties and fifties and they did it all the body for life they did you know What Atkins they did everything and now? They can't lose weight because of all the everything that they've done up until that point who's made them so resistant to that. Yeah they have a very hard time losing weight and in in the book. I explained the mechanism behind that. So what happens is body. Fat is not fat. Body fat is a system when I say system what I mean is that you have a number of components so you have that sells but then you have immune cells a number of immune cells. What then you have a stem cells? Then you have the extra cellular Matrix. Then you have very specific colleges and then you have very specific proteins and then you have micro Arnaiz. Okay all these things work together as a system. That system has multiple configurations. Okay one in particular talk about in. The book is The Secret Tori associated phenotype. This is a mode that you're fat can go into where it's essentially acting like a megaphone putting out senescence inflammatory signals across the body. So you have to understand higher fat works and once you understand how your works and how that system works now becomes about keeping that system optimized and you have to understand the mechanisms in the levers of your fat so when you lose fat you are you are creating an injury. We don't think of as an injury but understand at the cellular level if your liver got kicked out a place. That's an injury. Okay on in fat cells when fessel shrink. They're they're tied to the Exercise Matrix. When the fat cells shrinks it breaks away from the Exercise Matrix? Okay so so what happens is McKenna biology. shearing stress happens. Where if that was a house and this was a brick and this was the mortar and the brick shrunk from the mortar all the way to the house we transfer from both to just the mortar? Okay House might collapse. Same thing happens when you drop fat so you create a McKenna biology effect where sharing stress transfers from the structure to a whole to just the GM. So that's an injury and then to fix that injury. What happens is very specific fibers grabbed the fat cell and pull it back in position? Well that creates attraction stress. It'd be like if I pulled my whole body right here. If I pulled your house from one cable I might get your house where I want. But I'm GONNA injure the House okay. So in response to that fat cells McKee heat shock proteins to fix the damage and you have all these injury related processes that kick in you have shifts in immune cells shifts in college. And if I was all these things that happen and long-term the emerging view is that fibrosis or stiffening of the. ACM is not just an obesity problem. It may just be the way fat operates and so we are coming into a profound shift of this whole picture in and understanding that repeatedly reducing body fat may be one of the biggest drivers of the problem long-term. Wow so people need. I did this I guess to kind of some some of that up. People just need to if they let's say someone as three hundred pounds or listen to this right now fuck man. I don't have any hope because his he's telling me not to lose weight. But you're not saying I'm not saying they but it might be really smart to try to do it in stages right it might be smart to say. Hey like for this month I'm going to focus on On dropping weight next month I want to focus in a little bit more on just feeling really good. I'm not all that concerned if I if I lose that much weight. was that kind of some the concept like that Be something that would make sense. I I would probably add onto that and say you've got to become aware are of a new way of thinking about this problem and there are checkpoints. You need along the way So let's take some of the things that you did on. One of those is is a Leptin checkpoint so as federal shrink Serum Leptin Goes down and that setting you up to eat more long term so as fats coming down we need these checkpoints that kick in okay so by the time you get to the bottom instead of Leptin being here appear. We've created the opposite effect. Okay so we've hacked that one aspect okay. The next aspect is the the gut by completely shifts when you drop fat and in most cases you're left with actually a a week game sort of interior type or gut bacteria. We've got a fix that problem. I think we did that. One with you too as well so you've got all these checkpoints that are not even in the discussion right now and the the really like kind of why put so much four chapters in here. The hard part of the book to that because this in my opinion long-term is is really messing up and once you get the check points. It's not that hard like the things we did with. You weren't that hard. It was like okay dude. Here eat this here. Eat that and make sure it's at this time and make sure it's is gigantic and that has a big impact. You had very very specific foods. And I think it'd be really cool We're going to try to take up too much more of your time. But Ah this is just so fascinating and it's such an honor to have someone here who speaks so well you know about nutrition. Let's play a little game here. Let's let's throw some food tortoise Joel here and He can give us a scenarios of what the food can do for us from beneficial standpoint. or You could shout. aww Hey tacos or something and see what How he would spin away from eating a quote unquote bad food or so all kind of started it out and all I'll kick off with cucumbers? What are the net cucumbers could do for us? You are really good to start to start up a period of fat loss so if you combine cucumbers with Avocado and asparagus right at the very beginning on you're GONNA get a lot of things that are extremely beneficial. uh-huh Mechanism Avocado is going to actually suppress insulin output. There's a special sugar called mental health yellows in Avocado. And what. What I've seen is when you combine that with cucumber? It's incredible what it does for fat loss at the very start so it's kind of a natural cleanse big. You mentioned having having that even before you have like a meal right Yeah Yeah it's very useful at the very start of a fat loss program And I think also to last last time you're here you mentioned that Cucumbers could potentially help against Being hung over something like that right was that was that was the spirit asparagus pairing muzzle roll roll into that. What was a spurious is kind of like a Swiss army knife of foods? I mean it's it's highly highly utilitarian. One of the interesting things about asparagus is that it actually helps regulate a couple of enzymes involved in alcohol metabolism so space is a really good food to eat around the consumption of alcohol and you know like none of these things are a panacea. It's not like you're gonNA eat asparagus and you're good. It's not like that at all. It's you're going to get a a couple percent impre it but if you learn about six seventy these things. They're super easy to do you. Just add these things in there so this is also a fantastic tool to offset with One of the things that I do a lot is like if I for gopher reservation we gotTA cheesecake factory. And I really shouldn't have eaten it but I did asparagus at bedtime on sort of helped check the destruction a little bit because obesity from Gut by perspective perspective is a fermentation issue. You're fermenting the wrong foods meal to meal the meal you can take that same concept and apply it in the reverse and you can even use it to offset foods. So so you can. You can ferment in a positive direction from it in a negative direction than from in a positive direction meal to meal sequencing so asparagus at bedtime after you've really blown blown it is fantastic for that. What about celery? That got popular not too long ago. I have no use for salary for the most part I mean there. There are some functional Aspects to it it just hasn't been like one of my things too much Yeah Dick Offend celery. One of the things about is it makes you really hungry. And there's there's times when being Hungary's good but there's better tools to to induce hunger got it what's a better tool to induce hunger because some people want to gain some size around here too so combination at night While I wouldn't do it at night we'll keep you up on lunchtime lunchtime. Do a combination of raw broccoli with avocado auto with black beans and tuna. Do our together as far bomber instead of raw coffee no rob Rob lockley brock yet. Raw Rob Rockaway with Nice try. Let me let me let me go through this again. Rob Broccoli Avocado a little bit about Kado Some some black beans not heated and then in some tuna steak like lightly braised and you'll be obsolete. Starving are black beans. Just you know that you get from store those resistant starch. Just by the way they they are as long as they're cold cold. Yeah On the livestream Airbus asks what about Lemons. Limits are kind of a great little add onto. who like a a a whole food cleanse? You know. They're they're good for that I haven't used them too much myself for anything other than that or Lemons with Citrus mic for a really good kind of natural salad dressing. When you're there there's a couple of a couple of like mega fat loss like meal combinations that I've done with people and you just need some flavor somewhere in there and lemons are really good for that if you have too much flavor deprivation wire experiencing fat loss? Your mind goes you you regulating the archaic nuclear brain and then you just eat like crazy so do you Lemons help Do Lemons help you digest Collagen a little bit better. I don't know the answer heard. Somebody say that maybe vitamin C.. Might plan to it so some people talked about squeezing a little lemon some bone broth but what about lost Something like cereal. Thank you that I was. Just that is. That's why I asked because I think number serial which will I love cereal for sure. I guess I can't really do a top three but the top three that come to my head is Cocoa Pebbles for sure. I mean. Come on the cinnamon toast. Crunch yes madrazo basking Ron Ron to do that one. Yeah Yeah and then it's a tie between legit just regular. Cheerios and backed fruity pebbles The place I would use those There are times when there times. When you need to to ex- calories and it's it's it's actually very good to do so again? One of the ways you can maximize muscle growth is to amplify starvation signals. So the more more you get the body signaling starvation the more it's GonNa put muscle on and it just makes sense if you think about it like if you just run through that narrative kind of makes sense and then in a practical sense it actually works so coming off coming up a very specific kind of fast where you've been amplifying the signals of starvation. In fact you can even do it with food. You need to X. Calories for about ten days and it's very difficult to to ex- calories sometimes and so that's those things can be kind of perfect perfect in in that space that can be really useful in that space to do that and it's very beneficial because they have to combine it with a training a lot heavier to axiom calories and other things but during that period fruity pebbles a very useful so this this is like ice cream and stuff like that all of that type of stuff clumps together correct. Not Necessarily sometimes you just you just go off the reservation. Yeah sometimes you just do. And there's there's just no rhyme or reason to it and that is a a section book talk about The new science of meal sequencing. And it's it's actually a pretty fascinating topic. It's it's basically like once once you understand how meals are working on. I give I give it very easy way to to understand it. It's if you've eaten a big meal on your just much less likely likely to have dessert. And the reason is the previous meal has dictated what you're gonNA and you're just not gonna eat dessert versus if you ate You know like cucumbers and an avocado for one meal. The next meal. You're much more likely to Not just eat more. But he thinks that have a ton of flavor. Okay so and that's exactly how obesity works again again. So another aspect to ability is the signaling meal to meal is creating this snowball where it's making you meal to meal. Want more things that are worse worse you can take that and you can make that work in reverse okay and so one of the ways you do that is by understanding. How meal sequence wants together and it's idea that here's your pizza and ice cream meal okay? And then there's a meal before that that is doing in a bunch of very specific things like setting offsetting the damage to the gut bacteria bunch of other things and then the post meal is also offset in a lot of that damage so and then you can go down the list. It's like okay. Well Gut bacteria we have to fix this check. insulin function. We have to fix this. Check check check. And so you can use meal to meal sequencing to to increase insulin sensitivity increase or decrease energy harvest from food so decrease the calories yielded from food. And all these other things that are all part of the new science of of meals sequencing. Do you think that because we talked a little bit about this before. There's some people that they can have a little bit of these foods and have great self control and there's some the people that if they do have a little bit of foods they go off the reservation Which is why they just choose to abstain but your idea of balance is if you want it have it? You know how to deal with it. So can this kind of I guess. Help those individuals that feel that they have to abstain get control of that. Is there a way for them or is that just a personality type of idea on I. I would say that it's not a perfect answer. But to give you the general parameters of it there are mechanisms that are within your control meal to meal Again coming back to the gut bacteria so if I have the pizza and ice cream meal. What that's is GonNa do is the way? Obesity works is going to ferment bacterium. I got that. I'm GonNa make me want more pizza and ice cream okay. So one. Technique is prior to that meal. I can push the gut the opposite direction. Okay and then after that meal I can push the gut the opposite direction again with that it does is. It's going to blunt some of that not all of it again. There's no panaceas there's just there's ten improvements of five percent that's what they are in each one. One of these will give you five percent so going to blunt some of that. The next problem you have is the effect on insulin. Function and the effect of energy against food on the body's controls over and all those types of things. Yeah you can hack that through timing. So there's certain times where you can insert those things and and the effect can be warranted so a lot of sense and how would the timing Work just a certain amount of time you know beforehand. You would eat something when you mentioned to me Positive Effects of having I think it was way protein shake and some oil thirty minutes before a meal. Yeah that's that's one way to do and people think this is who like silence like crowds. You know you just. They just haven't haven't haven't really heard of before that's part of the reason why. Yeah Yeah I get some of the some of that like some of the like shade thrown last time was like certainly just never heard it. You know really like people. People are listening to people that are trying to get bigger for like body building powerlifting. And you know you hear a little bit of talk about performance but you don't really hear about Functional Food Not for function of like you know how your body lifts in the gym and stuff like that which I know that this would still have a huge benefit on that. But this is to improve improve the function of the way that you're digesting and the way that you're consuming in the way that you're absorbing the very food that you're eating and we've just have never we've never had anybody else on this podcast before talk about any of this. This is very new to a lot of people. That's why a lot of people might be like. Oh my God this is such bullshit. Yeah they're not believing. This Guy Smelly doesn't either Garbanzo Bean. I get so the answer to your question is circus upton rhythm for for that piece of it so if you look at. Monday's would be. He told me I think I can't. Yeah no they're very functional. So one of these you can do with. Let's go hang. garbanzo beans are actually They're super fantastic tool number one If you're a Vegan they're like your go-to for protein source like forty five grams of protein and in a couple of our bonds at the end there. Yeah there's ton of protein and our bottles but the next thing is they have very unique Alexakis in them and they sensitize insulin. So if if you know you're GonNa the Pizza and ice cream meal garbanzo beans at the previous meal. Actually help insulin work a little bit better. You're going to get to a couple of percent bump on the way insulin works. So they're very very very very functional. And if you've got So cool how about a question. That a lot of people probably have Before working out I think you do some super specific things but how can they what should or yeah. What kind of things should they potentially eat before having a workout or yeah before workout to make them perform better it depends on the time and the type of workout and all these different types of things? But let's let's just go down the list So go to. I don't think it's new to probably most people in this audience is is that work out on the morning of fast okay. Let's start with kind of most important on what I would add to that. Discussion is that you have amplified bacteria prior to that and you've amplified the genetic rush hour prior to that so you're getting all this sort of signal induction for aunt case or one and all these things we want to activate then coming into that workout A few things just really stand out above others which are on if you want to train fasted then coming into that AH small. Molecules can be fantastic so `boring for example coming into that and very specific types of fats can change things quite a bit so so it would be boring to burberry and is going to help activate the MTA pathway. Okay it's going to activate the the youth extending life extending benefits of that facet workout. Your your ancestral narrative is freezing your ass off in the morning. Hunting food sprinting and carrying something heavy okay so star state. Freezing deadline essentially sprain those those are Kinda like that rings the lead lifted in the snow. Yes yes yeah which eliminates ninety nine percent. We invented society to not dead left in the snow. But so coming into that work out there. So sprinzen dead. Lifts chiefs are like a hugely beneficial Give a lot of reward points for keeping everything young in cycles like you. Don't WanNa do that all the time. Sometimes it's sometimes you. You need to cycle coming into a fast Fasted but then other times giant meals are extremely extremely useful particularly particularly post workout. Coming out of a fast or even going into after a fast and just getting a completely different type of workout so you can do the same type workout coming off the fast with either faster or giant meals and you're gonna get different outcomes sometimes. You need massive inputs food to spin inflammation down and I think that's a mistake. I made that mistake. I was in the early phases. Two thousand eleven ten years fasting all the time it's always and it was only wasn't only had a big meals in started started getting resolution of inflammation down. What are your thoughts on feasting like Really you know get after and packing in a lot of food. Is that when people do we. Is that a smart thing to do. Some benefits to it. I mean you're mentioning some of them. Yeah I think it's essential. I think I think feces essential for weight maintenance maintenance long-term I think you have to long-term periods where you're feasting and they are best accompanied in fact I have it in the really Kinda. Fill yourself until you're kind of uncomfortable. Comfortable type thing coming off of starvation so what you WanNa do is amplify starvation signals and then come into feasting and then the body puts muscle crazy in putting muscle on is very very very important for longevity. Hugely important. Don't you end up doing that like yes. Oh absolutely I the yesterday I had I had Tikkun steak pork eggs and Bacon. I just John You know. Enormous amounts of it was so good. This is an often the stuff we break the rules of rural carnivore. The not doing that necessarily but I went to five guys. Got To four by fours Had some fries with that. They had had a rabbi at home and I had some. I didn't get to eat the Goldstone because I wasn't hungry enough. So that's I'm saving that for later on tomorrow. Day Cake Yeah. Yeah yeah so like. That's not something I do very often but there are days that I like I'll eat way more. Just feel after eat so much more food just because it was like it'll help me feel better than how long's it take. Eat that amount like what do you. Sometimes I sometimes will eat for like two hours straight almost eight minutes yesterday but you recover much better. I feel great. You can kind of like you feel it when you're eating your like I definitely need more food right. Yes it's in your head. It's and you're still feeling uncomfortable and once you get that uncomfortable feeling like I think I think I got it exactly. What in the past that uncomfortable feeling? I'll just eat through it. Yeah now that's outstanding. Yeah have that mindset. Yeah are you familiar with like these car. Partitions there's or like these Is something that you can take before a big meal and it will supposedly pushed like the bad carbs like directly into your burberry. Does that had to some extent helps Yeah guns disposal and all that yeah there. That's yeah I mean that's a I would say that It's a small piece of the equation region but there are some very good tools again. It's all what when and how so Bergreen is like the big gun the bullet in the gun and don't want to use it. That often like you wanted to save that one and for like like you really messed up looking some help but the some of the some of the lesser ones like golf lipoic acid or some of those things are are very a good little additives but I would combine them with meal sequencing and it also combine them with just understanding the different mechanisms so the gut by on insulin sensitivity. Not all these other things. Combine it with that and I think that's the misnomer of the environment we're in right now is like everybody's looking for the what like. Oh now it's beat dude. Repeat what no man dude like it. Just it's amazing and that's not the truth is like nothing works that way. It's so what you can do though is are very useful tools and once you understand what when and how you can use those tools to get measurable effects measurable facts and then I'm fifty five on anything. You know pretty much. Whatever I want that much and I managed to stay fairly? Lean year round And it's because as I'm getting these little bumps in things I'm not getting one hundred percent but what I am getting. Is this this thing that happens over. Time for most people I'm pushing this down on an pushing the slant down now that doesn't mean that every now and then I still have to kind of have a few months where I spend things up and push this here but what I'm not getting. Is this thing that happens to the populace over time. Are you able to chase down a bad meal or do you have to do everything. Pre Bad meal. No It's before and after got it. So yeah it's you you're coming into the meal you can. You can set it up on A. There's a check box. You can just set the check boxes up and then after the meal you can do the same thing you know and end above that pattern in the book I have. What's what I call the two decor pattern That inherently offsets just about everything just just by the nature. Sure what is so. You're cycling one day to the next and there's a bunch of mechanisms all interlocking. Just you know so if I did one unit of it like morning and then lunch and then dinner was this you know cheesecake and strawberry cheesecake and soda. Whatever then the next day will offset a chunk of that out awesome man? There's a lot of great lot amazing information which you got. I don't want it. There's one last thing now. I keep keeping here for four hours or something about the industry focusing on like minded conrail efficiency like that. And there's like I have a red light machine at home I use that Do you think that's beneficial or no or is it because you said there some risks and that piqued my ears a little bit. So I'm just wondering what are your thoughts on that stuff fits into the against the the good bad paradigm is Red Lights. It's good blue lights bad. Good meets bad blah Blah Blah on red light is extremely beneficial in the context of what and how so by itself is not a Panacea Zia. You'll talk to people who red light therapy than they swear by it. As the greatest thing on so by itself it is incrementally utilitarian and if you combine it the right time in the right way example would be you amplify fasted signals a day before. You're taking some small molecule activators at night amplify I signal pathways. For MK. All that stuff. And then you're coming into your fast the next day red light on top of that now. You're really talking. I mean that's fantastic. So yeah it'd be very very right very useful. I think what what would it do like like. What would do exactly to ample just amplify everything that you've been doing or what what is exactly so it's just another? WHOA you're coming into inflammation from another angle? Got It okay. And so everything else you're doing is helping inflammation and then you're adding another layer to help help but without and I. I believe that twice a year. Everybody should do what I call the inflammation spin down and it's A. It's a very specific five day period of just knocking inflammation down on new research. So there's a lot of. There's a lot of confusion about Aging and there's new concepts in the air right now DNA methylation and one of them. And you know what I've done for a number of years is looked at different researchers. And what you see. Is that when you look at different researchers. They're we're going to give you a different worldview and doesn't mean they're wrong it just means that they're just doing research down this one sort of laying and when you look at a different researcher looking at something entirely different you get sort of a different worldview and it doesn't make either one of these guys wrong but what it does is give us to this place of like we don't we don't know oh like we don't have all the answers yet so we're just looking for you. Know the scatter graph of like where. Where's the center? We can all aim for so what you see is when it comes to aging the the belief that's bubbling up right now is that while it's telomere length and DNA methylation. That's that's the thing man. That's the thing if we just hack that we're good well counters counter to that there's research now with senator in so people who are over one hundred years old and it shows that telomere length is not the driver is not the primary driver inflammatory. Markers are more of the driver. Pass a certain age and what sanitarium seemed to do is they have this sort of low grade inflammation that's acted hormetic way with with them that other people don't have so they've been able to up regulate their inflammatory response and that's why they're able to live so long In terms arms of measuring biological age There's this idea that well. DNA methylation is how we know biologically age. Now there's other ways there's there's a serum cans which were blood sugar proteins There's new tasks that that probably more accurate. And there's even more recent us now looking at different types of blood proteins in the serum that show Oh distinct phases of aging so thirty four sixty and seventy are the three major waves of aging and we can measure those by blood proteins not related to DNA methylation relation. So all that says that inflammation relief driver of a lot of things and immunity is. It is kind of the crux variable equation. We don't have all the mechanisms figured out and we don't even understand a very key aspects of the Mitochondria like hypoxia induced factor. We don't really understand and all that but we can kind of start to gather around some generalities and do some things. It kind of makes sense around that and spinning information seems to make a lot of sense makes a lot percents So yeah I remember you talking about having like you know specific days in your diet or specific meal. Plan on your diet for He he kinda like anticancer and is that we kind of talking about when you talk about inflammation is that that would be probably anticancer. Yeah there are two sides of the same coin so I've never heard anybody talk about their diet terms to know it's yeah you can do very very well. It's my opinion. I think that very powerful things are possible. Muscle through dietary modulation to reduce risk of cancer onset and a lot of those mechanisms Target inflammatory things and at the end of the day. It's just it's just to us that's all it is. It's just different lists. That's all do you believe that. All diseases are metabolic and can be fixed maybe through nutrition or even avoided altogether. No No there are clearly there clearly. A range of issues that drive disease Some of them are metabolic. Maybe more than we might even think. But then there are other things related to some things are just purely hereditary other things or environmental. Oh so it's a mixed cancer fall into that cancer. Cancer is cancer first of all cancer. Cancer is a disease of growth. Okay that's what cancer is without growth. There's no cancer okay. I in other words cells cannot divide. Then there's no cancer okay when you look at growth and what drives growth on metabolic factors are probably much bigger than has been taken into account simply because of the signal pathways that drive cancer. So there's a very few specific signal pathways involved in driving growth and those have very specific things he's like food like like like food is very important in driving cancer But then there are. There are very specific. Junctures in things that happen on one of those is called the epithelial transition and it's where cells in the in the field I am in the blood. SORTA detach you know and kind of float around and become oncogene Iq so arresting cell cycle growth has a lot to do with breath. Cancer onset or prevent onset and a lot of that is metabolic it can be controlled through controlling signal pathways controlling food so on not one hundred percent Some some things to do with cancer are driven by a very specific proteins in signal. Pathway cascades that turn on on on on and then one gets locked talked in an odd position doesn't go back off so on but I personally think Cancer is one of those areas that the metabolic component and the the inflammatory component related to reeboks or oxidation probably is a much bigger thing than generally we give it credit for. Did you work with Ron. On on the The Kito pet sanctuary at all. No not no. I know you had that with the the dogs on the Keto Diet. Yeah Yeah I mean. He's done some amazing thing. I mean really amazing things We were having lunch couple months back and start talking about that and he was telling me like got cancer incident rate with dogs now is is i. I don't remember the exact number I don't want to quote him but it's death through the roof astronomical and is related to food yeah blew me away cool I mean hopefully they can find more research. Is You know I know that. Plagues millions of people What about something like like Autism you know it's something we hear quite a bit about and it seems like it's it seems like there's more and more kids are autistic. I'm not sure if it's They have more ways of diagnosing. It or I don't really you know what's going on but Will food intervention Assist these kids from maybe perhaps no longer being autistic or we'll just Assistant system maybe in some other ways like how powerful would it be. I think it can be extremely powerful. There's there's clearly There's clearly a a gut. Bacteria component on it related to autism and the presence of certain species Seems to really play a part in autism on so I I think that Food and very very specific patterns of food and substrate targeted to grow species. And they got. I think I think it'd be very very powerful for the. Does it all have a or does you know what the mother during during pregnancy have. Any effect on the onset of autism Actually other some really good research on that on so there are and we. I can't remember the name of this I actually had this in my cupboard it's there's a darn it. This is gone blank but yes So the the administration of certain prebiotic elements during pregnancy potentially or even even just shortly after birth potentially has the ability to To definitely dramatically impact on set and. I'm just blanking on the substance in the study but I actually actually went and bought this stuff as a result of it. So yeah definitely that gets into what's called Trans Generational epigenetics on I did a podcast on this a couple of years ago. there's a world view that you can explain the entire obesity epidemic purely by So many germline by what mother eats passed on in two children and programming. Metaphorically programming the the egg and sperm for food preferences and it takes four to five generations to fix. Wow ooh yeah yeah so if you look at what. Somebody's doing themselves right now. During pregnancy can negatively impact. I guess I'm totally makes sense but to put an I put it in perspective like this you could be negatively. Impacting positively impacting five generations. Down the road hundred percent. Yeah so shit. Better Watch law do yes very well. It's a it's a burgeoning field but So what is new information is wow. It's it's crazy right. It's fucking crazy. Yeah you can actually explain the abuse if you go back and you look at the onset of certain types of foods in the American Diet in the fifties and so made a germ line transjet generational racial Genetic you can make the case that the obesity epidemic sprung up there. And it's just playing out right. Yeah it's interesting speechless. This episode one of the best. Damn can I go real quick back due to sleep. Yeah have you ever messed with the chilly pad. No It's a pad to keep you caught night to keep your body temperature down for about that. Yeah Yeah So. I'll just curious about that. Are there any special tools that you use other than Potentially not there any of the tools used for sleep outside of you know the nutrition and everything You mean like things to sensual appliances. I WANNA build a Faraday cage. That's like on my list to a Faraday cage. Yeah what is that So it's just You can get sheets now. There are lined with copper and then you can completely block all. Em while you're sleeping. And I've talked to people that have done. Nisa can block out what all electromagnetic and people that I've talked to you that done this whereby Greenfield doing this. Yeah faubus walking all the Wi fi signals. I definitely want to play with on a guy who So you had mark on a certain protocol when he when he lost a ton of fat and then he came out of it. What what did you get? I mean I know awesome because I was eating some of this like similar things that he was at that time and he's just like text me. Hey have you have bill hamburger have fries and then finish that up with the With with a grilled cheese sandwich. He's a but not like homemade like cheap. One go to restaurant have that thing in have at it I'm asking because I actually dropped the most body fat fat that I ever have in my whole life recently. This is at the end of last year. So I don't know if like I missed my window of like recouping but he is asking permission for grilled cheese sandwiches right now. Ah but genuinely like what would be the best way to recoup after dropping so much body fat went. When was it when this was right before Christmas so I want to go exact so good diamond? So first thing you've got to jump on is this is a little tricky. Just timing wise but So start with Lepton so so Leptin drives food intake. And you've you've gotta you've gotTa get that backup while not gaining weight so there. There are some very specific patterns. You can implement one would be in your case you WanNa you WANNA shoot for you. Want to shoot for bout of two three day period of of two senior calories. kind kind of in a sequence so breakfast would be super huge. Like you want roughly thousand calories at breakfast fifteen hundred before breakfast. You need to set that up with A couple of things so before breakfast start with the way protein protein shake that small cinema. That wait thirty minutes okay Kick a little bit. I would probably do an Alpha poke acid or maybe `boring pry up a protein in Olive oil and cinnamon is helping to regulate blood sugar from what you're about to eat and help with insulin or something like that. Yeah what we're doing is we're we're going to shift the post-prandial Glucose pick a little bit with that. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA drop the we're going to drop the highest peak going to push it back a little bit by having that thirty minutes prior then at breakfast there's there's a couple of combinations are ways you can do. This one is healthier one is less healthy and will do above so the less healthy when you do on Sunday morning. The more healthy one on Wednesday morning so the more healthy one what you WanNa do is. You'RE GONNA get in about thousand calories stories K.. On but you need out a few kind of healthy things to the mix so A really great start or foundation is steel. CUT OATS RAW K. A. Puts Water and put them in the microwave for like five seconds. Add a little bit cinnamon at honey to that okay. That's that's Kinda like to start then throw in probably ten egg whites three or four eggs Then you'd WanNa throw in giant giant plate of blueberries like more than half plate three fourths of a plate in that range. So what you're doing with that is WANNA GET WANNA get females in your blood up. Yep Okay we want to get your serum females with it's GonNa do is it's going to create a buffer zone to offset oxidation of things. We're going to put in you later. It's also going to help keep you from getting fat again. Because serum females in the blood they have very specific effects on gene activation when it comes to strength out probably two two slices. This is a toast along with that I would do. sourdot throw some butter on it so covering about a thousand calories. That's that's the healthy version of that. Okay then as you're getting getting into midday that Travolta meal I gave you would be a really good one to do And then prior to that Chapel Hill We have a couple of cheese sticks to set it up with And then as you get into dinner the trick here is you need. You need a massive amount of food. But it's got to be functional One good way to do that would be spaghetti. Squash meatballs Cheese like a really giant spaghetti dish but using spaghetti squash kind of as the base for that. And so when you kind of look at that whole day ton of calories but it's very healthy but what you are getting you're getting a ton of flavor. Okay you're getting stomach distension on at but you're also getting a lot of functional properties. Okay what this is for is. You're going to set up now Sunday with that. None Sunday morning. Repeat this but instead now you're gonna go for flavor so okay. pancakes eggs bacon now. He smiled so double take home. Yeah Yeah it's got to be very big meal so what we're looking to do with this year is we're looking to create tremendous amount of city tremendous amount on fullness guy And just a tremendous amount of sort of like pushing back against Leptons. I WANNA GET WANNA get Serum Leptin Levels Kana kind of where they should be okay then coming into lunch neither preloaded meal prior to that so she sticks or whatever you want to have soup okay so what you wanna do is soup. Soup is incredibly credibly Filling driving to eat a foe. I'm like what the Hell is flown. Type yeah ty soup I guess right yeah. Cellphones amazing. What we're doing here is we're we're stocking one after another of like t t t t we're trying to push Leptin backup but we're not doing it really in a way that for the most part is going to a lot of fat and you if anything is going to have actually the opposite effect hopefully will want to get some of the some of the feasting eighteen blood proteins going with this kind of thing then at dinner with that? I would do giant bowl chilly with cheese on it. Okay all right. So that's that's kind of like a starter kit for the post fat loss Leptin bonds to check but that that gets you down that road of an and very often when you look at failure rates for fat loss. It's at fifty percent of it is two things. It's the energy gap meaning metabolism. Ms Lower leptons higher So you're going to eat more and you burn. Less Guelfi can push leptin down. Keep you from anymore and they get metabolism up. We're going to to offset good chunk of that so that gets you in the in the universe of beginning to really hack that that that's crazy. That's that's exciting for one but I I wanted to ask because like so seema's doing all my nutrition help and all that he's coaching me through it and you know He. Obviously after I had a photo shoots after that was over it was like okay. Let's get you have a little bit of freedom now and so that little bit of freedom led to a little bit more eating than I should have been doing and what's happening happening was like Oh man I I look terrible. I feel terrible. I probably gained at least four pounds them so I dropped down to one seventy one. I'm at least at one seventy five. I checked on met one seventy two and then even today I dropped back down to one seventy one and the only reason why I like. I'm really concerned is because like I. I lost the look but the weight stayed the same. But I didn't know if like it's because I added fat or I lost muscle like I didn't know exactly what was going on on because I definitely look different but I weigh the exact same just Just sodium along you know would account for some of that so so you know I would maybe training motivation to pumped. You know to to go in there and totally. Yeah Yeah and then I think the energy levels to have dipped down but I think I think that's also like just the motivation and the mindset. Yeah energy gets into so generally speaking when when the bodies very lean you're gonNA have higher energy and you're going to be especially when you're burning fat you're GonNa you're you're W- specially when you're bringing key towns you're gonna you know energy and then slamming all this food in there and all the substrate and kicking insulin up again like that. You're going to feel a little bit of a dip but I. I wouldn't worry too much about that. I think it's I think overall like so if you make if you make make the most important thing you know the shredded absolute for life which has no bearing reality than anybody lives in other than you know someone that's all you do. The other side of that is to really. We just maintain the benefits of what you've achieved forever and so there's all these counter points. You have to start checking the boxes off and we haven't even gotten into like all the genetic activation when that happens post post maintenance. Yeah you're almost out of the woods too because it takes about six or eight weeks to kind of be in the clear of like having your head be normal and a bunch of other things and then one of the things that got me really excited when I first talked to Joel He was he was more about like the end result. Like like. What's IT GONNA look like two years from now three years from now four years from now and that's the thing that's exciting is that you know you you go through different spots now and it's easy to get like up and it's easy go down In terms of how happier excited you are about the results or a lack of results sometimes But you're always going to be moving towards the bigger picture. Sure which you have been the entire time so you know that's and semen. I usually just tell you to chill the fuck out and usually everything's good because we know that you're going to be consistent. We know that things will come back around for you annual it. Just it just takes time but you know that's what I love so much about the principles you that you're sharing with us like you know if if people can look like like this in their in their mid fifties then then that that's the goal right not not just to be Jackson her twenty s and then be fat. When we're fifty absolutely Louis Marx? Totally right I'll come in tune. I looked terrible. You look the exact same sure terrible feeling to have a day where you just feel fat or flat you you know or not feeling bigger going on here. Yeah thank you for that. I mean think for everything but especially that it was really cool. Yeah sure Oh cool man. Thank you so much Where can people find you? VEEP NUTRITION DOT COM Get the book book there. I get it all peaked human. Yeah you should you should get it all there you go. Is it a question as Amazon or will it be it will. It will be not yet I'm I'm in the process of like really learning the publishing market and with the book like this that was so science intensive I really wanted to get my feel on the the buyer and then like feedback and be very close to the ground in the early going here are so. There's no money in books but it's This I did more because I've just I've been been on the receiving end of just stuff. It messed me up for years and It kind of came out of that. That whole thing so you know hopefully people find it beneficial Do you have a youtube channel and social media and stuff like that. Okay so I just got an instagram. I need your help. Everybody please come like from me because I feel like a completely family Loser doing that now. I need for me and then I don't have a youtube channel yet. What's the instagram name? Oh a real job green okay. Yep and now don't have a youtube channel yet. I'm probably going to start one I I just I know you need to in. Today's is environment. It's that whole thing of like once you commit to doing. It becomes what you do. Yeah and you're married to it now kinda stuck to it. Yeah what about. Maybe maybe Doing like a podcast or something like that. Would that be something you you might do. Because I think the main thing is just to figure out a way to get your message out there. I'm sure you're aware of like someone like Peter not familiar with that name just You know you have in a microphone setup and speaking in your microphone about something in particular that either popped up in your your head or I mean you talk for fifteen minutes like that's a that's a great piece of content That the world could really use you know so I encourage you strongly to try. Try to jump into something like that because I think it would really be. It is a pain in the ass you know is asked but In whatever least amount of pain you can handle you know try eh either do youtube or potentially do like a podcast type of thing. Yeah thank you for that. I I need to just jump on that now. I getting this thing done took so much outta me to to get it done that. He said like three years right three and a half yet. I'm just coming online now for like you know the rhythm everything else. How in the hell did you learn stuff I mean? Are you like a food scientist. Are you a professor. Like what's your Goddamn deal. I got that one a lot sooner magic you know me and mean and Seymour being meat heads and we're talking about like our diet you know and this guy chimes in with some of the stuff that he knows maybe like what is going on over here. How do you know Shit? Nah I just I just think it was necessity not really I just necessity I Along the way I created this software program and we started selling to hospitals and stuff and then they started you know sticking checking the PhD in front of me and had to sell out dude and so is love. It was necessary but then a lot of it too was It's just kind of been this thing. I've always been into you and I I just I got Benbouzid so much. For so many years I just got appoint rise like yeah I just got. I just got to learn this for myself. You know I just remember. Nineteen eighty nine. Remember this champion nutrition absolutely. Yeah the Guy Lives in the area. We're supposed to have him on the PODCAST. The Creator Okay so metabolic all too had. MCAT's the fat-list fat on the label. And I read that and I was like that and that was the era of no fat fat fat started. Like you know looking at. MCAT's 'cause 'cause that was just unheard unheard of matinee and then Vince McMahon did the WBF and they put everybody on the Kito Diedd and you know so all this stuff like I was just kind of on the front line of like what the hell is this houses work and trying to figure it out and Probably for me a lot of the issues. I had just running into problems with things really drove it. You know my own personal issues of just what happened happened because I was doing things that people were good for me you know. Are you like By name like a nutritionist. or no doctor or no. I don't make any clients I'm the consumer that's what I am. I consumer who just finally just said enough's enough. How'd you get involved with Ron pennant inquests is nutrition because it seemed like he he brought together kind of like a a superhero League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Hannah thing that he had going on over there yeah well Ron's an extraordinary extraordinary guy he We were We we were both in the technology industry back in the mid to thousands and we both were running these companies and he was one of my close. Moore's actually I didn't even I. I was talking to Mike. Mike Osborne I didn't even know that that So long story short I was friends ends with one of his guys and just purely by a fluke like in two thousand twelve. We kinda caught up and I didn't know I didn't know about about clothing. I was like Hey Michelman is pretty close man. Where where'd you get those? And he's like jaw. Come on down. The protein bars kicking button. I'm like with talked about. He's the man quickly request your so next thing you know I actually. I'm in front. Of Ron. And I had created attrition system and Ron was really passionate about nutrition and literally gave me thirty seconds. We got in a room and he tried to blow water. I started and I went into some bio babble. And he's like okay. Ah So next thing you know we start talking just led to like literally years of talking about stuff and then twenty fifteen sixteen eighteen We got on this condo about finding restriction that I was into and and Ronald Pretty fascinated by that. That's our thing that's what we're GONNA do. And so that led to come inquest and being part of that whole sort of magical picture for the time that it was there which was just like man Talk about like being being being part of a thing where you know everybody there is just some genius at something that nothing about and you're just kind of like wow. It was pretty cool. It was really cool and that was that was all wrong but not together. You have any travel coming up or any seminars. Coming up No nothing. I'm just getting out into the market to start to Start driving all this. I just I just literally got. The birthing was done and now I'm you know off off off to the race. I remember you're on a kyle. Kingsbury podcast so Hopefully we can set you up with some other podcasts. People so we can keep getting your message out there and people can learn more about this book. Thank you so much I really appreciate it. Where can people find line? Andrew you guys GonNa hit me up at Zee on instagram. Make sure your fall in the podcast at Mark Bells Power Project PODCAST at NBA. Power Project on twitter witter and Tick Tock and make sure you're subscribed on itunes and please leave a review. And before I forget a huge shot piemontese beefed for sponsoring turns podcast. That's Piedmontese DOT com. That's E. M. O.. N. T. S. E. DOT COM at checkout. 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