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Semi-final Matchday 1 Recap

Stoppage Time: Champions League

26:55 min | 2 years ago

Semi-final Matchday 1 Recap

"Ah? What's up everybody? Welcome to the start of stoppage time. I am your host max Baril in this podcast voted to the Champions League semi-final time and joining me to break it all down. It's another trio episode will the cats Baril, how are you? I'm good. Thank you. So happy to be a trio tonight and the third the third branch on this beautiful tree. Mr reed. Ryan, how're you doing? I'm great just one game day. So you know on focused on under job. There've been a lot of accusations flying my way about you know, giving out false information that both games would be played today. I take no blame for that is ESPN's fault. They only recently changed their schedule that one would be Tuesday Wednesday. Fortunately, I'm glad we didn't have to watch two games simultaneously. But we had one kind of a cracker of a little game here. I asked one getting the crucial away goal. Tottenham Hotspur nil losing in their brand new stadium before we get into the game though. Can we just talk about the atmosphere in that new Tottenham stadium? It was out of control. They looked fantastic. I read did you. Did you catch that before the game? Yeah. I haven't actually seen any images of the new stadium. So this is my first chance to catch a glimpse. And it was I mean, it's awesome. Looking it's really beautiful. The the stands are are just they look what they're crammed with people. But in a good way the chance of songs, it was a crackle. I believe that. And and and they kept it up throughout the entire match, which was impressive. Even when there were. There were distinct periods where Tom didn't look great the atmosphere was constant consistent throughout now Willie. When it comes to the soccer world, you tend to like things that are new and flashy and you're not necessarily aligned to anything with legacy and substance. So are you going to be aligning with Tottenham from now on I I love them. You're there my second favorite team in the Premier League of said that all along and they play well, they made us. Tab. But men age was really something else. You know, the stadium is fantastic of. But are not doing particularly. Well, they've lost four games in a row to against Munster city than the surprised defeat on Saturday. And now this one that gets Ajax in so they're not really rocking. It. I don't think. So though, I like the very much they're sucking a little bit of air right now. Yeah. It was an interesting game in that regard. I do they bounce back. Well, but it was done a vanderbeek in the fifteenth minute who I was one hundred percent sure it was off sides. But it was good old friend Kieran trickier who was kind enough to play him on side. And the the the VAR camera was kind enough to show us that that it was all his fault. But I mean, a calm cool collected finish when you're just staring down goalkeeper in the eyes, and you can make him fall on his rear end. And then just calmly put it into the back of the net. It was a great first goal, and I ex were dominant in the first twenty thirty minutes of this game. It really looked like Tottenham. Couldn't didn't stand a chance that this game was going to get out of hand. But Tottenham found kind of their mo- Joe they got their streak back. I don't know Willie. What did you think of this game? The first minutes, you know, useful exuberance. I mean, it was just an amazing this play of energy. They were soul so fast as they was all over the place. Amazingly. Well, let me think I mean, they really pass that bowl in such tight spaces. I've felt there were overwhelming thumb across the board. I mean, they really look. Doc, I fought very old. But I have to say this is serendipity. Right. You have this collision of heads of Dunkin has to get out. I mean, I don't think he would have been substituted under any other circumstance, and you bring his soco and suddenly the game changed completely. For the better for for buckman. But the first thirty minutes, I felt were still electrifying. This team of his age extreme is up -solutely untested and. I don't think but they're going to lose our mo-. Joe I think they're going to go into the final. And if they can just play half as well. As did today. They will be in the final. Excellent. Excellent display. Beautiful soccer one more time. I think we're being treated too. Really, stupendous football, stupendous. You mentioned that injury Vertongen. He's apparently. Okay. But it looked it was a grisly injury. I mean, he took it right in the nose on the back of all details. Head and then was sent back on immediately seem to kind of ask to be taken back off. It seemed like he was almost about to collapse felt like he really the the doctors were little cavalier sending him back on. And you've seen that a couple times in big games. And it's it's always a shame. I feel like by the time. You've lost his blood is he did in the head. Maybe no matter how good the player is probably shouldn't go back on. But read this game definitely felt night and day different. The first thirty minutes for the rest of the game. What do you make of it? Yeah. The like Archer Cheeto got this wrong. You know, they won yamba was so exposed than feel. Every be passed right around could have either getting no influence on the game whatsoever. When he did get the the ball, he missed places passes straight to I Iraq. It was so obvious that. Midfield was just hollow. Essentially, there was a ten minute. It's like ten minutes period where I had divall entirely in Tottenham path. And like we said for injury was there dip, they got to Brid to soco rearrange the formation. And really, you know, create some structure where there was there was a total absence of that in the first thirty minutes. I thought it was kind of funny that the the back three Tottenham back centre back all used to play for Iraq was which was quite funny. But generally, I thought I really you know, they were on the back foot for the last sixty minutes fifty minutes, but they did another to to win. And we'll see, you know, son. I think is back for the next match. Yeah. I was. Is going to be I think a game changer. You know, cotton of issue one of their main issues was they didn't really have that fishy, and touch, you know, to start Lorenza. And I mean, he was okay in the beginning. But then totally disappeared and the couple of chances are a couple of opportunities where he got the ball the top of the box. And if you know if a true finisher true striker of the ball was a Methodist, and they would've took a shot, but he just held it up and try to get some of the other players to to make run. So he could put it onto them on top of that. There wasn't a real service to have trivia looks completely out of form e oh it's been a real precipitous decline for him since his glory days last summer at the World Cup. I, you know, this is this is the point in the season where you know, would have been really nice if there if these ton of squad players had a little. Bit more rest. There's a little bit more depth than this is that we talked about throughout the entire, you know, Champions League run that there was always a concern that they never read course, that they never brought anyone in and starting to show, you know, Kane son or out, and they've got a number of players who are just completely out of form. And you know, we'll see in the second the second leg whether or not son who's been their best player over the past couple months, whether he could make a real impact. Yeah. I totally agree. Son coming back. I mean, you felt his absence in the biggest way today. I think, you know, don't count them out going into the second leg 'cause they're they know that it's all to play for and it's all on the line. And I think with sewn back it, you know, he's such a dynamic player at the same time. It's what both of you guys talked about. I couldn't help especially those first thirty minutes. Right. I asked are such a proactive team and Tottenham are such a reactive team Tottenham. They pass the ball. Ball. And they then are looking where to play the next ball. And as you said often times, whether it's one Yama or even better players Ali and Ericsson know, then they give the ball away because I asked just closed them down so quickly versus I asked the these players amazing to watch. But they already know exactly where they're gonna pass the ball before they've gotten the ball. The ball moves so beautifully amongst that team. It's fantastic to watch. And they just have so much energy. Chasing it down read. You're talking about your enta-. I understand he's a slow player. So he's going to be kind of a hold up striker who can then maybe feed the ball to another player. But you gotta pass the ball better. If that's the kind of player, you're going to be because he was he would get the ball. Someone would make the run, and he just wouldn't be able to complete the past. You know, I think Willie last time one of the last time we talked about Tottenham we talked about Lucas, and it would seem today. Like all of a sudden he was just like thirty minutes into the game. He was like I'm going to. Playing now. And all of a sudden he was like electric, and it was kind of the changing point where he was able to find space and Tottenham seem to realize that set-pieces we're going to be their best friend, and that I ask are tiny and not up to the task. I don't know. What do you feel Willie going into the next game? How the chances live. Well. No, I agree with read the book, you know, put your team started with a with a really very optimistic view of back three. And I think you learn very I mean, he I don't know why he wait, wait, thirty minutes too. Change the the formation. But there were painful to watch. I do think that now they have a much better sense of called to defend the Ajax. I think having song bike end will give them, you know, the middle range shot, but they didn't have today as you said, they cut the rely a lot on this said pieces. I mean, you're very good for that. I mean, very good about also scoring goals with his hands arms elbows. But you know, he he is actually very tall. And he he was tall his by a few inches. So very dangerous on those said pieces, but I don't think they going to win with us at peace. I see sawn with his speed. Running around. Blind. And. Shooting a little bit more than they did this time around. I don't know. The actually I can never remember really how many shots another. They hid several very good. Heather's they miss it by but not much. But I I don't know how many shots actually on goal. I think they were maybe ten or eleven from the most of them were actually with the head. I think that they miss son. I think son will actually bring a dimension of abandoned that they didn't have this time around. But you know, I I don't know. I I don't see how they can beat Ajax. Really? I mean, I after seeing the thirty minutes that the Ajax plead today and remember they were playing this is what's amazing of the steam Royd guys the accurately beat Real Madrid four to one in Madrid. Then they they actually went and be Juventus at at. In their house right now, they go to heaven. They then I cannot see how the going to lose in Amsterdam. They're going to be so pumped. Yeah. Talk about. Sure. Yeah. Enchaine funny. Talking about the atmosphere like we did this morning earlier about the game in Tottenham stadium. I think Tottenham did a little too job about creating a stadium where the atmosphere really bellows because at the end of the game. The I x founds were so loud that I was like are the Tottenham fans cheering. I don't get mad like no I x fans they were. I mean, it was crazy how they were in. Yeah. I mean, I can't even imagine what their stadium is going to be at home defending this lead. I mean, I feel like Tottenham looked far more dangerous as the game went on. But redo think Tottenham are on the upswing, and they're going to take it to or I XE the type of team who are so fearless that they're going to be pissed off that they let it off after thirty minutes, and they're gonna come back resurgent as ever in this next game. His fearlessness in something Paci. No is going to look to use as a as a tool to defeat. You know, there were times when some of the I ask players got physician. Happy said, there's a two positional fluidity I ax, especially with the midfield and four words where they're just constantly rotating. But I think that there is a. Youthful, this that could lead to I asked his overconfidence or cavalier. Sometimes there is, you know, runs from deep that might not be necessary that might not lead to productive productive passing football. But the players are encouraged to take those, and they don't necessarily know when not to I think Paci no might be able to, you know, tell his players be disciplined and patient, and there will be space for you to export. But that's much easier to do when you're playing at home tartar to do when you're going going away and your down a goal 'cause patience is is in not gonna get you two goals on the on the Rudd probably. So there's a distinct disadvantage here and the the sort of counterattacking. The calculated football is may. Maybe not the best football to play. When you need to score a couple of goals. Yeah. I, you know, you know, the one that goes to the one that has to show up is Erickson, I have never seen him less effective is such a great player. I think he cut a horrible horrible gag Rick. Yeah. That's and you know, if Ericsson is not on on top of his game because young soccer. They're fantastic job. But he defends right? I mean, he distributes game Ericsson is the one that really moved forward. And and he was Bisbal today. Embezzle? Yeah. So. I think they're generally just was not a collectively between the the the back level of the of the time of midfield the front. They just couldn't get things. You know, they managed to get both school by putting forward. But there was no real build up play. And that's where Ericsson excels what he's you know, could take it from a halfway wine or collectible the distributed to the to the wings. But most of the time the public is getting the ball up, you know, getting up from from Danny rose punting upper hundred it wasn't it wasn't a real cohesive build up, which is working works against I think. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I mean, which I exit team, you know, I feel like I've been saying since I don't know the round of sixteen other group stage when we've been talking about them that it's like, well, they're so fearless there. So, you know dynamic, but maybe that's going to catch up to them in this next game. You know, they're finally going to get overly cavalier. They're gonna. Get a little full of themselves. But then they just come out to come out in the semifinals as fearless. As they did in Tottenham brand new stadium. I was blown away. I don't know. We'll do you think that this team is has a psychological breakdown in their future or they or they just there to I don't know they focused for that. You're right. They're fearless. I think that's the word. They don't become more energy. You know, really? I mean, I pry them as exuberant have is. It's youth. Completely irreverent? The supposed to be nervous. They're supposed to be scared. They're supposed to actually pay respects to to reality drid to Juventus, you know, and the they just don't them in. It's fantastic. I don't see them really rolling over playing that circling that home next time around, and you know, this players that they have are are fantastically jetted. Right. That'd be I don't see how they going to actually be less. So at home, right? And I mean, the like is I delight will report pun. But. Defender is absolutely fantastic. I see Frankie the young oversleeping credible. Donovan that beak what a game today. Believable. I don't see them really slowing bad. I mean, certainly not at home. I think that they're going to have a bad gain before unquote was going to be today in the tappan. Yeah. I think you're probably could've could've been up. You know to now if it wasn't for the the shot hitting the woodwork and the towards the end of the match I thought that had gone in for sure. I believe David net is I. I always call him. I always think of his name is Rueben narrates to who's Rogan narrates because it must play somewhere for wall. Probably. I re I in the moment, I thought it was for sure to nothing. This was going to be done. And I just I watched that replay. And I'm just like, I I think it's gonna go in every time, and it's just like heartbreaking and you see his face afterwards. And I. You know, read I almost thirst to cry. He does. He does read. I know your team. I XE all the way, we'll the you said, you're. You're partial to Tottenham, but you I know you love axes play who are you rooting for with Willie in this in this little duo. Ajax? I've first of all they have done to fantastic things for me. They beat Real Madrid. That was already reason enough to be behind them all the way, and then they took care of row now, though of Cristiano Renaldo that's like they I love them. Those those words to fantastic feats, which may be happy. And I'm going to pay them back with full allegiance to see them through the God, if they win if they manage to go all the way that would be just so fantastic. I read any big thoughts on this game. One of the players that I think is not gonna love is the goal in the Ana he he wasn't really challenged didn't have a ton to do. But he distributed. Well, when he was asked to to make a couple plays in the box. He really did. He did a good job. And we've seen a lot of poor goalkeeping lately. So as to see someone be competent for one. Yeah. He had a few passes out of the back that were made me nervous very early on. But he he got better as he looked more and more confident to me as the game went on which is always good. And he you know, he's young as well. So young goal is always could be a little shaky especially like that. But but he held his seat. Most certainly does not seem intimidated by the by the stage at hand. So that's good Willie. What any big final thoughts on this game? This first of semi-finals just live up to the expectation. So think the first thirty minutes were tastic, then became a tactical game. I really felt that we were treated to a very fun game though, the score was only one to zero. I really enjoy watching the game. I was very entertaining very tight level. And. More please more more more. I I'm going to be honest with both of you. I am one hundred percent behind. I ax all the way. I love the way they play. My gut says that Tottenham is gonna come back and somehow win this thing, and I don't like I don't like that feeling whatsoever. Maybe it's just the new cynical Manchester United fan in me where everything goes poorly. That's the best. I got. But I feel this sinking feeling that Tottenham is gonna come back, and and steal this thing in go to the finals, which would just not that a huge district tight like for Tottenham. But I asked to fantastic I would be sad. Number two bland, actually, dislike or feeling one way or the other just. Harsh words. Sorry, Spurs fans, and we just got fifty one star reviews on I tunes. Opinion. It's it's hard to give too many awards of his -ly goal of the day goes to Don van too. But the real question is read, and I went went rogue and gave our predictions for the semi-finals. Now, this is already underway Willie. We've got your thoughts. But tomorrow Barscelona Liverpool enlighten us. What is your insight into this matchup on them believable game? I won't be able to watch it. So so incredibly upset about that. I think is like much of mating Shelvin Barcelona is super relax Mercilon. Jos wong? The league. There are I think writing a super high. I think they going to win tomorrow and think thing going to go through I don't like the play I in in new, but even with the advantage of for libra pool of playing an Enfield next week. I do think that we're Celona is just to relax and LeBron pool is getting a little bit of light being second too much through city. The big I think they have distractions of this weekend is going to be a an interesting game for them. They're going to be under pressure of our salon has absolutely nothing now to play for in Spain. They won't want it. They're going to be much more relaxed gonna play the B-team or the seat team or the team on this weekend. All the stars will have a full week to recover. I think or Salone. Goes through. Yeah. I'm sticking by. My prediction of the same thing. I really don't think. I don't notice the extra emphasis you put and that extra little pause after saying that Manchester City were in first place. I know you're trying to just remind Liverpool wasn't in sano. You said said behind Manchester City and with extra emphasis and a little pause. You made your point. I'm muting you for the rest of the show. Anyway, it's that was a good start to the semifinals as you say Willie tomorrow is going to be something glorious. I think and and I'm very excited for it. I hope we're back to our normal schedule gentlemen next week, and we'll have you on Tuesdays and Wednesdays to see the semifinals off in all its glory. But it's always as always a pleasure. Thank you willy. Thank you read. You fun -tuni- next week. See you next week. Tune in tomorrow episode on Barcelona and Liverpool that should be a blast. Follow me on Twitter. Tweet your thoughts at max Baril pods and keep up with us throughout the semifinals. But until tomorrow's episode that is the end of stoppage-time.

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LADS#91 - Will Rivard From Tottenham Hotspur World

Loud Americans Discussing Soccer

39:15 min | 3 years ago

LADS#91 - Will Rivard From Tottenham Hotspur World

"Oh. No, no. No. This thing of our guys. Welcome in to allow American scuffing soccer podcast. Or lads podcast is podcast is brought to you by stadium. Zine dot TV the best place to find the best parking, restaurants and bars for your favorite sporting events. Today is Saturday special and I am joined and honored to be joined by will from Tottenham Hotspur world. We've done several other podcasts together. I believe two foot. Talk a bro. Socking soccer. We've I've never I've been trying to get will on the podcast. He is the arch enemy of me as a as the arsenal supporter of lads. But we're we're good friends at relief. So, you know, our put that aside I'm very excited to have you on will. So please tell the people at home where people can find you and talk a little bit about Tottenham Hotspur world. Awesome. Thanks, kevin. Nice words from arsenal supporters. That's always good especially after the day. We just had. But anyways, guys, you can find me on Twitter at world Hotspur You can also if you wanna check out my blog online, it's tough. Them Hotspur world dot com. And basically what I'm doing my sight is I'm trying to cover Spurs from every angle. So recently we've been doing articles on under eighteen team which is undefeated right now. The Spurs ladies richer undefeated on top of their league as well. And under twenty three team. They're struggling a little bit right now. I think they're in like fifth or six, and of course, you know, the first team, but basically with with my sight, you know, the name of it says it all Tottenham Hotspur world, whether you're in the United States, whether you're in Europe, whether you're in Africa wherever you are on the planet. We want to bring you in and makes you feel a part of Spurs. And that's no matter what club you support or what part of our club you support. Whether you're under eighteen hundred Twenty-three Spurs ladies fan or first team. So that's me. All right. Awesome. Well, will I'm not going to mince worries going to cut around the edges. I wanna get right into the action that occurred today in the Champions League Tottenham versus PSV, correct? Yes. That's correct. Okay. What the hell happened? What's going on is Tottenham falling out of the Champions League. Obviously. This was a rough draw. Correct. Yeah. I think this draw was actually worse than last year. If you look at last year was really tough draw, you know, had an adrit Dortmund apple well from Cyprus. But I think you know, if you watch them play I think I heard today they have outscored their opposition their league twenty something to one the season. I think only conceded one goal in every dizzy, so they're obviously a quality opponent. We had a tougher draw. That's not really excuse though. And what what I would say about our match today is a microcosm of our season. Okay. We had missed opportunities that came back to bite us just like dating wokv, erred and Inter Milan. We had costlier by Hugo Hugo lorries, you know, the red card late in the match. I don't know what's going through his mind. I played keeper. And I haven't had a moment. Obviously like that in a major game because I'm not that good. But you know, another mistake by him. And just our inability to close out games. I think has been really troubling. So far with some of these big time matches. Yeah. I think there's been a certain lack of edge with that be fair to say where like it seems like some teams like Liverpool right now man cities got his together where these games they'd usually draw or lose their now winning you've seen that recently Liverpool in the league. They're getting these one nil win such as like hundred field over the weekend and playing these gritty matches. What's what's going on? Is it a mentality thing is it? I don't I don't think it's a quality thing. I think you have quality over the pitch. What do you think it is? So I think it's a factor of so many things if you look at Spurs we beat a West Ham over the weekend. One nothing in London stadium. You know for for them. We are their biggest rival is their Cup final. It was not a pretty game. But we saw out one nil. So you take West Ham and no disrespect the PS v. We can beat west and one nil in West Ham hostile conditions. We should be able to see out a win against. PSV? So I think another culprit of this. And I think you're gonna see this a lot teams in the league is fatigue from the World Cup. You know, we had nine of our starting eleven play all the way into the semi finals and in the final. So you know, we played our base. Are starting eleven is basically played that many extra matches this year, and that's not a total excuse. But I think that plays a part in a lot of these clubs that had a lot of team had a lot of guys play heavy minutes in the World Cup. Deli alley is out. I think. I wanna say November December the hamstring injury for Tong in. He's out 'til November December, you know, Danny rose all these guys play major minutes in the World Cup. So I think that's affecting our squad in to your point some of it isn't entirely, you know, I feel like it Spurs we take baby steps every year. You know, the year Lester won the title that was your Mark for us to win the title. I know you guys came in second arsenal came in second. But I think this team that we have right now with one the tie. Will we came in second Chelsea the year after last year, beautiful Champions League run we get undone in ten minutes again against you. Venezuela. Just terrible marking and stuff. So I mean, that's I think it's combination all those things. Yeah. Which is. So it feels like other teams may have been taking more leaps and bounds. I've seen tremendous leaps as such as main city since the lesser city and Chelsea winning the Premier League. I've seen now Liverpool take some leaves. But like you're saying it seems like a very gradual incline from town the more I feel. There's a growth, but is not as exponential. As those teams. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I totally agree. And I think part of the issue with Spurs right now is you can look into the transfer market. And we didn't sign anybody enter that's a big story. But I think there's parts of our team we can upgrade like leftback, Danny rose. And he's on one of the best in the league. But when his fit, you know, been Davies played today. He's Welsh Sunday you like that. Oh, yeah. I just don't seem. He is the top. He's not a good enough leftback from Champions League standpoint. I mean, he's done great for his trip here. I think he's great with his free kicks and stuff. But you know, surge aria even call Walker. Peter's have a much higher potential than than cure in trickier. And again love love trickier to death that this this is he will never be better than he is this point right now rose those other two guys I think can be better than him in our midfield. You know, little of Mussa dim barely. But we have to start looking at. We have start spending some money at some point in upgrading our squad a little bit. If we wanna take the next step of DiBa leave it is lack of financial aid. I know you are dealing with a whole stadium move. You're like a team without a home stadium. Really right now. Do you think that weighs in some factors arsenal is still? I just got done talking James Copeland from Sunderland. He was speaking about how arsenal has just just paid off the Emirates. I mean, do you think that weighs in a bit like the lack of home stadium? I think it plays a part. I think I think our guys will come through at Wembley at this point though last season. I think you could see early in the season, we just it's so different because White Hart Lane. I think they got a special distant dispensation where that pitches a little bit smaller in. So if you're oppressing team like we were we were there, you could you could press people to death and get the ball off them and win. Really stadium. We don't have we did not have that. So I think we had to change the way we played last season, which might have hurt us a little bit. So to answer your question. I think that plays a part, I think the financial aspect, you know, Daniel Levi's, the chairman, and he's a lightning rod one way or another lots of Spurs fans love and lots of them hate him. I'm kind of in the middle. I think he's done a great job building our club financially responsible from financial standpoint. But last summer when our main target is Jack relig- from Aston Villa, and we can't get that over the line. I think that's worrisome, and I think it was just over like five or ten million hinder here there, and I agree with you know, he's he's been good in the championship. I think with the manager like potted Tina we've seen when he's done with talent. Like Delhi alley. Harry. Kane Danny rose, Carl Walker young English talent, I think he can take jet Grece to that next level. And if we had him right now, he would probably be hitting his stride either. Now or. January. So I think that not to say that jet greenish. That's our answer our season, but stuff like that. I think is what's holding us back. Okay. Yeah. I've kind of noticed that names that haven't been you know, in the past couple of seasons. It's been the dailies the Harry hurricanes Ericsson's, those are like, you know, there's been your bread and butter the past couple of seasons. I've kind of noticed some other names names that we were kind of familiar with. But some have stepped up such as Lamella. I've got that. Nice goal the header for West Ham this weekend. He's kind of stepped up. He's had some injuries over the past couple of seasons. Also, look Mora has been a face. That's been popping up a lot. What are your thoughts on that? Like what's going on with Harry Kane? He's kind of like Tottenham kind of been kind of like, you know, good. But not like just kind of like sneaky kind of good. You know, what I mean, not not like been kinda quiet. Yeah. I think I'll start with more and will Mel. Lamella? I think he missed almost two years. He had a couple of different hip surgeries and stuff. And I think he is. We're finally seeing the player we thought we bought from a Roma a few years ago think that supporters you have to be really patient with lamelo he did not start today. A lot of people were saying why can't we start him and all this which have to realize this guy. He's come back from injuries healthy you really have to manage these players minutes when you have all these fixtures. And so he can't start every game where he will get hurt again. So I think he's playing great to the supporters that wanted to play ninety minutes every day. I think he can get there. But I think we have to be real careful. Deli alley. The reason he's not playing right now he had a hamstring injury. He came back for the care about game against Wofford hurt it again now he's out an extended period of time. So we have to be really careful with these injuries. Lucas mora? I think I think that's the blueprint for what I think Spurs must be trying to do in the transfer market. Bottom last January. You know, we played a little bit last year. He finally kicked on you know, you look when he against United. You know today against PSV. He looks like a like a totally, you know, gist racehorse of a player can run his socks off. And all that. So I think as far as those players go that's kind of where we're at. In your Harry Kane question, I think a lot of that goes with Ericsson Ericsson missed two or three games. And if you if the match today here Kane has to have some service here, and there, I think he's a great player. He's great linka play. But when you're missing Christian Erickson deli alley in that midfield you unless you have Harry winks in there. You know, we don't really have a pure playmaker back there. You know dim Bailey bulldog beast. He's awesome dire. We know just about took out Sergio ram a couple of weeks ago. So I think. We're just missing someone to get came the ball. And I think the World Cup has a little bit infect on him to events us questions. Yeah. I think there is like you said before there is a lot of fatigue in that Tottenham squad because they both like Belgium England going so deep into the World Cup. You even see with players like most lot who only played three games. You know, he's still trying to get his own rhythm after going deep in the Champions League. And then followed up by the World Cup. He was also done by injury. So do you think there is no recovery from this PSV draw? Do you see yourselves somehow getting continuing your campaign in the Champions League? Or do you think it's like all right back to Europe elite? It's as our that's our home. That's gotta have gotta go back home. You know, I hate to say it, but I was going to bet on it. I just don't see how we get out of this group. You know in for us this Champions League season the Inter Milan game. We had a one one though league going into like I think we can see the equalizer in the eighth minute and gave up the game winner in the ninety third minute. And so you look if we somehow out that Milan match, we've got four points right now. You know, we're sitting pretty even if we pick a draw in that match that is absolutely huge. I don't see anyone taken points Barcelona. They have messy today, and they still be enter. You know for us to get out of this group. We're gonna have to take maximum maximum points and hope that PSV in Barcelona take points off enter, and I just I watched interplay this last week in and they, you know, it's funny. We played them in the Champions League. They were like, I think thirteenth in the table. They were just floundering terrible season. They beat us, and they have been unbelievable run ever since they beat us out. It's kind of the turning point from both of these teams as far as Champions League goes the season. No. I watched the Milan Darby myself and e- Cardi while he's just phenomenal. I would and the rumor is he might be heading over to Chelsea to replace Murata. They're going to bring in a real Halfa finally to play I think Murata salt. I think he's probably I'm not saying, he's not talented. The guy is salt is butter. It's like, I don't I don't care from her outta. I say they start to rude as much as a paint me. I have an arsenal. Drew jersey hanging in my class. At also have a Sanchez arsenal. Jersey hanging in my closet. You know, I got the jersey curse right now. But I would love to see Cardi weekend and week out on the Premier League. But I think you're right. I think it's going to be quite the uphill battle for Tottenham. But I'm just saying if you had into Europe league, and if you guys somehow poff or your leak wind, I think I'd be a successful season any type silverware like I don't want to be that asshole. I don't be that dick he talks about the lack of civil where. But I think your opaline. That would be phenomenal for you guys would and you and you know with Europe, you do get that automated Champions League spot. I'm sure we'll talk about this later. There are no guarantees in the Premier League in the top six will unite. It's not going to be there. Sorry, Martin whatever. But the but the other five, and there is no guarantee how that's going to play out. You know, you look at how tight everything is. So to your point yet winning rope leg this year that is huge because you get that spot for us. I wonder if we get into that how much we're going to prioritize that I think some of it will have to look at the fixtures. You know, we have counting the match today. We have six matches the next seventeen days. So that is an Abbiati. And back to your point on the stadium. So we were supposed to be in the new stadium. Will there's NFL game at Wembley. This weekend's we're supposed to play city on Saturday. We play city on Monday. We turn around play West Ham care about Cup on Wednesday. So no. So that you know, you're gonna have to rotate the squad fully, and I don't know what kind of squad West Ham's gonna bring. So the care about Cup. If we can get past them. I think we've got a shot there. But I think you have to prioritize prioritize the league between those two. So yet to your point. I think the rope league if we're there we do need to go into that strong. And and try to win that tournament and not just look at it. Like a Thursday night curse. You know? So let's move into your goals for the season. I think we brought in their Europa league. Let's move into the Premier League. You guys are sitting right now in fifth. Tied with arsenal. Correct. But his go differential believe you guys are goal differential. 'cause you're banging them in for fun at this point. Yeah. I mean, it just Bobby on just getting sitters, and it's amazing. It's making me so happy. But no, this is about Tottenham. I don't not going to talk about arsenal. I'm not I'm not going to talk about arsenal. Anyway, it's crazy because all the accurate right now have been about the top three massively Chelsea and Liverpool, obviously. And then arsenal is finally after their ten game winning streak. I'm not gonna talk about arsenal. But I'm just saying you're tied on points. And you're not far off one in two right now at all in the in the table. But like it feels like those four m mantis United because they're just a mess. But no one's really talking about Spurs. But you've been like low key like really good. So what do you think? What do you think that stems from like, I think you guys have been gritty you obviously had the loss to Liverpool. That was the big loss, right? Really the what losses they're really damning one. Because if you look at that, we had a one nothing lead. I think they equalised in the fifty or sixty minute and they win ahead. Four minutes later. And if we win that game, we're in first place right now, we're first place in the league Liverpool loss I can live with that one their their tremendous team. They're gonna be tough for anybody to beat. But if you want to win the league, you have to beat the teams you're supposed to beat what for this started off hot. If we see that game out. We're in first place right now if you look at the table so that to me is the biggest disappointment of the season thus far Champions League. And that's and that's Premier League champions league's a whole different animal. But I think I think for us our team is growing because we are seeing out these one no victories we did against West Ham. We'd be Cardiff one card. If can't score, you know. I mean, they just they just can't, you know, they'll be in the championship before we know it. But. The team is becoming more mature, I think from that standpoint. So again baby steps for us were right there. I don't know if we can contend for the league. But you know, if we city on Monday night, you know, look out. Hey, hey. I'm just I'm just it's just crazy because arsenal Tottenham are only two points. Off the top two and tied with Chelsea for like a three way tie essentially sides. Takeaway go differential, you know, what I mean? I just think it's crazy that no one is talking about right now. At least at least I'm looking at like social media. The big talk spin man city Liverpool. What is doing of Chelsea what doing with arsenal? So I don't count them out. I think it's going to be a really tough tough fight for the top four. And I had you guys hand to God. I had you guys at the beginning of the season. You people can go fact check me go actually, go give us a couple of more downloads on leads. But I had you guys in my top four at the beginning of the season. So I can easily see you guys getting back into the Champions League next year. I mean, not easily, but I see you in the Champions League next year. I think so and maybe what we need to do is we need to convince Paci. No, I am ready to just start tune on cigarettes because obviously starry that's working. I mean, I don't think the cigarettes would go to well-fed Hugo, Boss suit Paci. Nowhere is not think I don't think that's Emory style. Just start chewing on cigarettes, man. Hell. Probably probably Marlboro deal in there somewhere, you know shit. Sorry shipping over Copenhagen long cut and winter green. And you know, what is bring dip actually, we should start English coaches dipping. I mean, they banned smoking, but he lets you know, what's chewing cigarettes or not dipping. You know? That'd be actually I think the English media would lose its God damn mind. If like Emory are Paci no had like a fat lip in their mouth. I would just it would just be the weirdest thing. I remember what's it called my roommate's from BMI? Because the I went to military school dipping was the big thing. They actually sent me over dip to England because they don't sell it over there. They don't even know what it is. So I think people would just be like what the hell is going on is he just like sucking on cigarettes knows just you know, just just dip and thinking Sam Allardyce dipping. I mean that's perfect for me. Gum like a crazy person. Just putting the chew in their man. Yeah. I'm very Harry canes going to pop what's Ericsson's healthy. You think he's going to go like because I had him along with. I think I had a Bobby on which is kind of a long shot. And maybe I have most Salah I think I had them as like golden boot contenders canes going to get back into the swing things. I think he can I think, you know, Spurs in general if we can get through this tough fixture list of fixtures. I think we can get there. You know Kane is in phenomenal shape. And you know, I think he I think we can get there. We just have to put away our chances. You know, I don't know how many games the the one games we've won this year. We could have won every last one of those two three four to nothing. It's just putting away their chances. I don't you know. And I think I think he'll round into form. I don't know if win the golden boot made has our hate say, I mean, he is playing great. And then so I don't know has been. Unreal. But even when he went PFA player of the year. I think he only had like fourteen goals in like twelve it was like he had like almost as many goals as assess. It was like I see him more as having that kind of goal to assist ratio than being over twenty goals. A season kind of player. You know what I mean? Oh. So in terms of the top six who has impressed, you the most is a man cities way that like to blow out teams by like five goals or as been liver pools. Way of fixing up their back end and fixing the defense because reme- I it's almost a toss up. I know man city has a goal differential of twenty three goals right now compared to second place Liverpool at thirteen which is ridiculous. But anyway, who's impressed? You the most this Premier League season. I know we're only nine weeks into it. But who do you think's been your biggest like, wow? So I'm besides Spurs, which I love Spurs. I'm gonna go with three actually the two you mentioned an arsenal. And I'll give you the reasons for each Liverpool. I think kind of like a Spurs. They're figuring out ways to grind out games. And get get a result. You know this this past weekend. I think do they play was hundred field. Like, you said they won one nothing. They probably have scored more goals. But this is a game in the past that sometimes I might draw might fail to score. So I think from maturity standpoint, I think been diet plays huge role in that on that back line. Do love ring. He can. Be the best defender in the world in his own mind, but without Virgil Van Dyke back there. He's nobody, you know. I mean, I just don't think he's saying player will quick real quick. I just wanna say. In the James Coppola interview, which I just did which I know this uploading Saturday swear to God. I just talked to him two hours ago. He said the exact same thing that Virgil Van Dyke makes Lauren amazingly. I'm not even kidding. You could probably play those clips next to each other. That's that is 'cause I thought about now I have two people. So I bring on the experts. This is why you know. That's that's amazing. Like, it's crazy. How one player can just enhance another stock so much. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think he was worth every penny paid for him. And you look at having a top central defender look at United. I think the main one of the main reasons they're in shambles is because you've got Phil Jones kicking the ball back into his own net. Sorry again, Martin and you know, small eating. I mean, you know, you got lintel often, you know, what the hell he's doing. I mean, the best part of that backline this year's been Luke Shaw. But getting back to what we're talking about city. I think the big thing with the Premier League last few years as we haven't had a repeat winner repeat champion, and I think, you know, pep has got those guys, you know, it's it's fun to watch them play because they absolutely suffocate teams and just destroy them. In a to me the other really big surprises arsenal because you arsenal. Lost the first two matches. And I'll be you know, that's a that's a tough start for any manager in arsenal. Very easily could have beaten Chelsea I think they put away some chances in the first half that that game could have gone either way. But to turn around in win ten is at ten in a row is oh baby. So to turn around and win ten and a row with all that pressure on you. I think is impressive. And so I think Spurs arsenal really aren't being talked about as much because we're all in namrd with sorry. And all this into be honest. Chelsea I think when they start playing some the other big boys they're gonna fall down the table a little bit. He's gonna have to heart on the cigarettes. You know? But I don't know. Yeah. I feel like sorry has been a little bit exposed you think that's fair to say like this super possessive back and forth passing. You know what I mean? So I I'm still confident in Chelsea because they have so much talent. It's unreal. Yeah. I think we're finally getting it's been a while a close title race. And I really hope it is I've been talking to so many people were praying that it's going to come down to like the final weeks in like April may where it's going to be maybe something determined on the last day that'd be so exciting compared to like Chelsea running away with it man city last year running away that even Lester towards the end. Yeah. I mean, no sorry for your Tottenham. I know right there. But like I left her kinda ran away towards the end of the season. Yeah. I think I think these had three games left or something like that they clinched it pretty early yet. So I'm praying. I hope it comes down to Mansi Liverpool even them I'll say Tottenham that it comes down to a close title race. And I'm kind of hoping to Premier League has another resurgence in Europe as well. I hope the teams can do something in the Champions League either ripple man city. I'm hoping Todd them can make a strong comeback. So I. I have a couple more questions in terms of Todd who'd be your star signing four-tonne davita to pick one right now. If you were you had a blank check, and you can sign anyone who would be your star right now, you'd pick like reasonable signing that you'd really like, okay. I'll go with reasonable because blinked check we could go we go. I said that I went that's just say like Messier someone right? So reasonable signing you'd really love to have at your club. So who I'd really like in? We got linked to become a lot less or less thing. Anything happened. Give you two of them in one. You've heard of one you probably have obvious one is Anthony Marcio from United. And the reason all say Marcial is I you know, he's been he's on great. Former not uniting no scored both goals against Chelsea over the weekend. And he could till two roles for us. You know, the biggest role we have Spurs. We do not have a backup for his Harry Kane when he goes down we have to put sewn Lamella somebody else up front and it works for a while. But Arshi off can also play out on the wing, and he's young I'm posh teen could take him. I think to the total next level as far as being a star. He's the most obvious one the one I'm going to say that most people haven't heard of is a kid who plays for I XE. His name is. Matthew Matthias deliver? It's the Elijah GT. And what also about him this kid? We were in frame last summer. I didn't wanna sell him. You can see our track record with aks, you know, Toby out of your tongue in Sanchez Erickson, all from I XE everything I have seen in heard about this kid the lit eighteen. He's youngest captain. I ex history city. Everybody's in Barcelona. Everybody is in for this kid. They did not want to sell him last summer. And I think they can sell in this next summer for probably anywhere from fifty to a hundred million depending on who all's in for him. And he if you've seen him play he played through an Aldo when Netherlands play Portugal last year, and you probably going you to find some clips, but he was phenomenal against Rinaldi. He's big big centre-back ball playing center back similar to you know, plays with the lit actually on the Netherlands dreicer. Though what we have at Spurs. So either one of those two would take in heartbeat. I like that. I like, you know, kind of a big signing kind of a low key signing. I like that was good answer. We'll congrats. All right. Let me get into some Tottenham s questions. I'm just going to tell you Saint totting ham totters ham say is cantering him give this. Yeah. I'm canceling that as the chief arsenal Representative of the world. I don't want even if arsenal ever comes above Todd him again. I don't ever want anyone ever celebrating that again at is officially done. It's like, you know, how we used to have Christopher Columbus day. It's now indigenous people day like. Now, you better tell arsenal TV ex arsenal fan. I don't know. Guys. I don't even wanna bring up, you know, Robbie and whatever their names are can't I I don't even get in to arsenal fan. Tv is just like it was a joke when it started. And it's always been a joke. Like I used to watch it. And now, I just it's like the jersey shore or like the Cordech or what is that the keeping up with the Kardashians. It's just train wreck. It's junk TV, and I just watch it because I want his here the ridiculous ship. People say, I I think I heard someone say play Jacques as a left back the other day on their. Yeah. I do the shit. They spew an arsenal fan. Tv. It's it's almost like listening to the farthest left or the farthest right person this day and age. It's like what are you saying? Like, you're not like, you're you're not making any goddamn sense. I. Well, you got me all worked up. Okay. But but I do appreciate you cancelling Saint tottering hymns. That's that's that's beautiful. Yeah. If I anyone celebrating on Twitter Amelie blown them up. If I see anyone even mentioned it, I it's canceled. It's done. It's dead. It is a fishy dead. How how are you with bottling jokes? How's that going for you? I've heard all man. More out. But I I don't have any are you like immune just numb to them at this point? You know, being a Spurs supporter. You know, obviously everybody wants to win trophies. I mean, you know, that whether you're arsenal-spurs Lester Huddersfield, I mean, they're not gonna win leading hate to bring to you. But, but, you know, so I think with us, you know, I'm really proud of the way teams progressed Pocchettino, maybe win a trophy this year. May we won't if we can keep the core intact. I think only get things happened with this club. So I mean, I don't really pay attention to all the bottling stuff. And all that. I mean, that's just that's just as they say banter, you know, so we can roll with that. Yeah. I was almost it. I was one of those dick heads used to make bottling jokes. And I've matured I'll say it, I've matured, and I don't I don't make those jokes anymore because you know, all it's done is just I've gone hit right back with arsenal. And I think there's this long karma. I became an arsenal fan right after they won their last like league title back in the events. It's like the two thousand sixty thousand seven era. So I. I picked like the worst time become like an arsenal fan. So I I have no room to talk or make any of these jokes. Like, it makes me feel good for a second. But then like the harsh reality sets back in and I just fall Deepak into that depression. So. I have one more question. Now, probably have a few more will Pasha Tino. I love the guy phenomenal manager. He's brought the -bility to your club, and has created a sort of culture. Would you say an identity? Oh, yeah. Definitely. When you watch our team play. I think he's been there this year, and to watch them grow and mature in and just like take deli for instance. Okay. Like when he first broke on the scene at Tottenham. Great player, but you could wind up very easily. You know, he got a red card in back to the euro police. He got a red card in a knockout round Europa league game. I think just for ridiculous tackle. And you know, your guys were started last year. He's diving all over the place and all that. And to look at him the way he carries himself on and off the pitch and the way. His performances. I think that's a microcosm of what Pocchettino don't for our club. I was going to give an example. I might have your own pudgy new has on a phenomenal job. I I mean every year he's rumored to go to Madrid or somewhere else in the world. I mean my question to you is though let's say this year. No trophies. Let's even say next year. Notre fay's. Do you stick with Pacino? Do you have do you do you trust the process as Philadelphia fan myself, you hold on thinking that he's going to deliver you to glory, you know, at such a tough question. I think you have to take a look at if we're talking to seasons on the road powder this season progress, you know, because to me if we're in the champion if we're in the Champions League places both of those seasons. You know, what I think you have to seriously consider keeping him because if you watch this team like they loved playing together, it's like a band of brothers. You know, gray showed up ratio. But I think if you. If you look at them as long as we're making steps for now, if we let's say we finished like, hey in the league, and we crash out of the Champions League with no points like have a really bad season. I think you can start to think about it. But I think to your point if we were to get rid of punch, Tino who do you bring in? You know, I sure as hell don't want Josie Marino because that would totally destroy, you know, the way we played football and stuff. So I think you're kind of caught with that too. And you say, okay, if if it's not pot who can we bring into take this team to the next level because just like the club or the team? I think he's growing with this in as far as how he manages coaches and stuff, you know. So I think we're all growing together. And I think really we went one trophy. I think that will put everybody ease you know, whether that's the League Cup. The rope league FA Cup Champions League this show, obviously but Premier League. Stuff like that. So I mean, I I would wanna stick with him until it's not working if we if we turn into Manchester United. You know, he's gotta go as far as how they're playing this year, the turmoil and all that. Yeah. I think the Premier League kind of like the NFL has gone very trigger happy when it comes to pulling the trigger on coaches. I think it's like win. Now when Amelie I mean, I look at organizations like the Steelers or. The patriots, obviously or other organizations who hold on to managers and just let the process happen like Sarah's, Ferguson Arsene Wenger. I mean, there's obviously very long tenures. But I like seeing a familiar face a coach who can keep a team relevant team stable and I've seen progression. So and that's what I've seen Tino. So I think I, you know, you start acting managers left and right? You might get you know, what's going on Manchester United right now. Just a lot of chaos. So all right. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's been a lot of fun. Please tell the people at home where they can find you one more time and about Tottenham Hotspur world. Okay, guys. So again, if you wanna find me on Twitter at world Hotspur, you can also find my side online. It's Tottenham Hotspur world dot com. And again, the name of my sight is kind of everything Tottenham Hotspur world, you know, whether you are in North America Europe Africa Asia anywhere in the world. You know in your Spurs fan. My writing is trying to speak to you. You know, no matter who you are whether you just started watching Spurs or even Spurs fan for decades, and what we try to do is cover every every aspect of Spurs. So I guess I've written articles under eighteen team under twenty three team the undefeated Spurs ladies team. And of course, our first team who's playing well this year. So that's that's what we're all about. Wow. That's awesome. I, you know, I'm not a Tottenham fan. But I love your work. I think anyone who can appreciate just good American footy talk. And I think you do an amazing job. So will thank you so much. I appreciate it. Kevin. Thanks. One.

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Mourinho's Tottenham Blueprint

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42:40 min | 1 year ago

Mourinho's Tottenham Blueprint

"Welcome insulate submission of ESPN SEM down. Thomas on my Craig Burley Alley Moreno and shake. HISLOP's the will be joining US shortly Josie Marino. The new coach of Tottenham Hotspur remember the last time and I was shocked news time today. He's very charming. said all the right things. Journalists were laughing only. Maria's jokes sounds familiar. It's very true. We need a happy one blah blah blah. I did like the John Lewis asked him about. Do you think they could have been a fatigue from Tottenham losing to jump Musique final yet and he said I thought no never lost the Champions League. Final boom box office is I talked to yesterday because I watched the show. Hey Gopher seasons albeit was eleven colon small number two. Well I'm intrigued. I think as an appointment it's intriguing because the oxygen delap was changed sports. Because one of them's going to have to change Daniel Levy or Joe Moreno now if we believe everyone spent money and I think I've already said been huge chunks stadium of the lesson expanding Johnny Depp. Believe then he's going to change from what we saw in particular my united because he wants to he has to accept did he must have accepted what he has there at. The moment is pretty much what is going to have to work with. He's been quite know that he's going to do in expe- said quote late. This is interesting because protein has been saying we don't have enough so it's GonNa be very interesting to see what he can do for the remainder of the season with the same employers that I've struggled at the start of this season checking. You made the point. We've seen this before this challenge. I saw it up close and personal. No yes AH yes did I. I really did. But that's just Marino didn't return your coal forgotten. But that's the statue is how how we speak to people relates people jaws you it in all honesty and but whether whether spoons win Games are not as not going to be dependent on on how he deals with the media and people who show up at this press conference is going to be what he gets out to this and I think that's a big question as we sit here. I'm I'm trying to think of whether Marino came in to any job Sydney not recently. I can remember kind of mid season. He is no an unholy had to deal with a current and squad. That was totally under performing. This is this is a big ask for visuals and marina and one that we haven't seen him have to have to answer before I I don't know I don't know how this turns out Natalie. Well but that's I mean he draws you in and then just quickly spits you back. I found that most and so I think that's that's the key here. Is that yes everybody can fall into the trap and then you have to be ready for what comes next ax and what comes next. What we have seen over the last few jobs that he's had is that chaos is the war that nickel? UCS Today it becomes everybody everybody else's fault except his. It's everybody else's responsibility except his. It's about the players is about the boards about the fans is about everybody else except him assuming that responsibility and so what I find hard to believe is that a man who has built his career not only on the success that he's had on with with everything that he's been a part of he's also built his career on that arrogance on believing that he is the solution to the problem. Well the truth is is that over the last couple jobs that he's had he's been the problem and and assuming that he's now taking a good look in the mirror and saying well. I am the problem I can remove myself from the situation. I have mature and grown up. Yeah that'll last a while. And then the true colors come out as we have seen from him time and time again. It's no more interest. I guess it makes everything sites you watch it a big club but haven't had much success as trophies. Tell you that it makes them on even more interesting awards this God. These resume trouble as he still is. He's got that infectious ability to change plays. It was a struggle from it. Mind United's albeit probably with a WAAS team Marco Dental yesterday's one the euro politically won the League Cup. Yup Did you need to tell you that Judy Martin to tell you but I think he was making the point you argue. A valid argument was was a united. Yes or no. Did He have success. Yes but Mars point was he a hero it spurs if he won the Karaoke up a messed up. I think that's I think that's a strange but I think we'll find out if the last last two to three years in the marine your character or whether this flaw is just GonNa carry on all the way no because he can't again is has to change last chance. Well maybe at club level where each has to change. We'll find out quickly if taught continue with US run. We'll find out quickly if he has. How do they have to change? Well thank demeanor has to change. Because you can't demeanor Maya Nathan. The end was destroyed so much doom and gloom just drag drag deputy. I understand. It wasn't all his fault but he. It's all right Gordon. There with Amran people hug it shake Hans and get nailed manager left for the first game a two months three months please so he will have to change the thrown under the bus which discussed Justin Beer. That cannot happen here. There's Club because it won't be able to go out and spend the money that even resemble explained what about style. He says he's going to stick to the same style. Can that work. On the thickness Tottenham team of agree three players. That can play much definitely right to be honest with you go attack in place. They've struggling in the middle of the woman and dumbly has been I don't expect them to pay rose deeply. I don't expect for him to play because he's been entered exposed to be available. I don't expect in diety play t-ball I don't know We played in dumbly. You wind and dire has been toying Grampian marine. I try to get died. Didn't realize well Eric Dial plan a little bell right right. And and so her and our goal I think Christina I personally think Christian Erickson might come back in. Yeah because a law is going to probably leave the club club. Marina is not stupid he knows in the best in the final six months of the season he can pull strings for Taunton. It can post hurricane he can pull strength without the nor PROB. There's no point continuing with him setting undecided. No He's not been playing well but part of the job now for Marinos to get the best hab. Because that's Tottenham team needs someone that can link midfield and the Tuck said Lo with us it of course during his time Madrid when his crown started to slit. Wasn't it fincen you fail. He's always been battling to silence his critics. Do you think this could work. Well I mean though as you say let's start with the Roman context of this and and it has felt from Madrid at least something change with his time here that the way that ended the the way that it was more than a year into fall but it was certainly that final year was year too much. He didn't want to be there. No one really wanted to be there and it felt like something broke then carried a calls into his return to England in terms. uh-huh Connie's work. I mean obviously. I'm no different to anyone else. which is on the face of it? He doesn't look like a natural fit. In terms. Of the way that Tottenham buy and sell players don't it's blind so plays in terms of the construction of the squad in terms of the personality and so on but it is true that the Spurs and I say this is someone who who's from north London almost all of my best friends Spurs plans and all of them are saying the same thing and it's been quite interesting to watch them shift as they've realized that this reality and they're all saying well look let's let's give it a go now will you've only won trophies. I think in thirty years if he comes in and wins something in this about as much of a guarantee of winning anything with marina is with anyone else. So let's try and if it's is not so exciting if it's not the kind of fought with spurs known for we don't care if we win something of course the floor in that. Is The assumption that we've Marina. You definitely will win something goals. That's yet to be seen. We mentioned it before. And he said in the press conference basically that no one's going to be coming in in general very unlikely however the Daily Telegraph Braff England reporting Brahima. Vich maybe could make a short term move to spurs is possible said. Well I must say I think this is a signing that from my point here at least feels like it makes sense. His plan that Marino has wanted and before I had him at mansion he won't admit row Madrid. Is that very much suits. The style that Marini applies but I suppose the question really is more a question for for all of you there in the US which is wherever not so. That's still good enough and I honestly you just don't know the answer you watch the less I don't so perhaps it's passed over to the studio then Gentlemen Alley I think's Latin Brahima. which can I'm be useful to anybody about twenty or twenty five minutes? Will you be happy with that role. That's exactly the question and that's where I was getting to that. You have to convince him that slot you have to play a little bit part. You can be the guy out front. You can be the superstar. Well Good luck convincing him of that Josie if anyone could you and I'm saying if he can convince them of that and can say you can still play at this high level but I need you for this time. I don't I don't media to be chasing people around for ninety minutes. I need you for thirty minutes at a time and you can do something different that this guys cannot do because you have that kind of ability if Latin is willing to do that they don't see a problem at all coming in doing thought that the shore getting paid the same morning and going home full of it. Is that a hint of some. We've gotten moist as long as you know last week. I mentioned Liverpool with. Lon I wasn't I wasn't jokin because I honestly believe that he showed enough here and major league soccer. It still has to do something different. And he's still fair enough and I did feel an. I do feel that offer some Liverpool. Who Haven't got a big choice when it gets? It's not going to live without spurs as you think could potentially. Is that good enough to play. A par is certainly spells again. This is I think it's making a statement. It's autumn here and one of the most successful managers and recent history and Josie Marino. And here we're going to bring into Aden or top straker. One of the biggest pain football over the last ten fifteen years. I don't see it as anything of a Gumbo. I agree listen to us. We've discussed what the future holds says. lattanzio innovation clubs were linked with him. It was never adult that I think he he goes contributes. It was always. Where does he go and play ninety minutes? In which teams does he get straight into the starting lineup. But to your point I think Jus Marino is probably the only manager and maybe alongside Yagan Club in with football who can convince last Ibrahima Bitch to come and play twenty or twenty five minutes right. Only start it in the car about the COBB but that kind of competition. I don't feel Latin. Does that for anybody else is usually can convince him as much I'd have as many euros with warning plea ninety minutes all the time right. It'd be quite frank with you. I think an hour for five half an hour. You you know helping the younger kids. He's bright enough has body's not going to be able to take you know. Play Ninety minutes twice a week and so I don't demand management but would be surprised if this is a move that happens not there's a perception of certain eagles Latin and it's what we have seen ask public figure that he is but he's smart. He's an intelligent man and when he says what he says he does it with a purpose and I think it's the same way that he approaches the game. He's an intelligent player so he can help a team like spurs and he can do it for short periods of time but he's also smart enough to recognize. I cannot do it for a full game. So it's whether he's willing to accept that role and that's where the ego battles the what his brain is telling him. He's hard may say. I'm I'm the superstar by then. Just take twenty minutes. And that's it but I think what Marino wanted to and I think most managers want to do this is try and bring somebody because the lesson let's be honest. The borough the majority these tottenham players have been moping around. You can blame poetry Tino and say he's been saying this and saying that and he didn't WanNa be there but that doesn't excuse for moping around his waist have been almost like an easy excuse and what marina will want to try to is bring some. Then that's going to make the dress celt take notice. Yeah right and go okay. Well of a bonus is having him here. We need to get out. So it's like somebody walks and even a something goes well. This is a good good half. Meanwhile said where next partic- obviously a lot of talk about Madrid considering the previous office. He supposedly had buying a favorites Monday night at five. Three hundred sixty one. Yeah I mean looking at this from around your point of view Of course protein. It was the man that Rahmatullah They and went and spoke to him but when they discovered that he had an enormous buyout clause at Spurs. They decided not to follow this fruit and they decide not to follow this food because they knew how difficult it would be negotiate chat with Daniel Levy and also and this is. This is a point which I think maybe more significant than than it first appears they felt like Patino had been foolish tying himself to a big blowout clause and they felt that in that sense that it was kind of his mistake. It was his mistake. He hadn't done enough to make himself available to row Madrid and there was a bit of a sense of that point. Well well you've blown it. This opportunity doesn't come round again now. Of course we know the a one point. It doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily come around again. It doesn't mean that they don't have have that same sense that this is a really good manager but of course he is a manager who hasn't won anything that Spurs an unfamiliar with just wanted you that significant and the manager. Who's now had this difficult? What was it five month period of this season and actually I suppose if you ever look the Champions League final? Which of course is a big things we would look? They are actually pretty poor for the last season as well so I have absolutely no doubt down that. He's on Ryo Madrid's radar that some of the rooms are interested in but as a site there is a certain bit of hangover from the last approach. Which means that? They are more reluctant then they would otherwise be by name. Hasn't won anything. No Silverware Kenny. Kenny Resting Room. If we SORTA carryings when we listen less than a NICO verge you the Nickel Kovacs what a Parchin Maurizio Portrait Sinoe. anouilh's not one but by the Bio Munich dress restroom set up and take notice of this guy. They know they understand what you want them. These players they took them Champions League final and also as two cents. Point is going to go somewhere somewhere where he started to put trophies on the board right it can't keep throwing up and from their perspective. The options for them at the moment seemed to be relatively limited. I you can see. We're going to wait till the summer and we'll do not but things have changed. Come in as I don't understand all we want something that can speak German known since upheld before you want something good manager and these clearly a good manager who is a bit jaded looking for a long time manager. Why wouldn't you go there? And if it was good enough for Gladioli go. There is good enough for him to go and try and rock up some trophies. We'll say goodbye to you now. trae young in that won't happen. Brendan spares this week. Really good aren't over on the website be shown again checking out. -nology truth brought to you. By geico truth. Your Cost Stereo will always sink to the most embarrassing song on your phone. So the reservations already. What was that weird must've sync with an thereby cars something truth? It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at GEIKO DOT com. You just the way you like smooth jazz smooth Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more games coming on Friday members Bruce Feldman gains four. Meanwhile Anita's ps she play Talil Gareth. Bale this flag has caused a series. You can imagine in Spain Wales go from a trade in that order of course is that you held up all comes from from Panama. She said Elliot in the end. The first thing he thinks about is Wales thing go after that Real Madrid. I spoke to him. That's how he comes across else now. Bay and the flag off to the game thing. I've heard it the way I was trying to challenge especially when I was on the bench and the boys were laughing. It's a good bit of a fun. Hasn't been received as a good bit of fun as you can imagine in Madrid media. Assaying bailed digs a hole for himself. Mark going football. No critical of bail saying disrespectful misguided ungrateful in that order Does that sum up the feeling of the rams fans right okay. Let's let's try and get to the bottom this feeling ailing of some Real Madrid fans know all of I think some have embraced. This idea is a way of trying to remind people trying to express the the starting point of all this as you saw. There is comes from peggie math on on air radio in Spain and there is a sense that it's been overlooked by a lot of people that actually the starting point here is the media that this dig at the Media Rothman at the club now. Actually I think it's a little naive to say it is purely that because of course there is a club element to this but some rounded fans have have actually embracing. This is proof of what we've been saying for years that the media is a problem here. There's not necessarily about the club that we've got the media against us now. Of course the media isn't against realm. Take anything that's not not entirely several for some people get seen as being against the I'm but yes of course are a lot of fans that are very very unhappy with Gareth Pal. I really think he's he's just about the flag it's more about the context of this is more about everything that's happened over the last. What was it three months since the start the season when of course they fought he was gonna go China He? I thought it was going to China Z.. Dan China and he didn't and he came back he was given a second opportunity and didn't kick on from there. When I think there was a sense that it might probably the easiest way of expressing the way that funds or lots of remedies being fans feel about this Gareth Bio has played four games in the last? What was it month and a half and they've been for Wales and I think that is the key to this that he gets into wells wells time he comes back just in time life whilst John Now he says he's played when he's fit and he would have been playing around? How do you fit in time for light to play around with it? And of course the first of these two games I think you only lasts was fifty default sixty minutes buckle of Madrid fans people image of the saying. We're just aren't by this anymore. We play games. Yeah I think he. It's it's curious it's because what Madrid have done over the last. I also is to try. And soften this a little bit and of course Real Madrid quite like the idea of this being expressed does because as you know. This is against the media really against us against the media so that suits them in a way because it and I was into a smooth the edges off a little bit of course they recognize that they in theory at least he's a very big asset so it doesn't really help to try and punish him on not lame play again that he might be useful so therefore they might as well use them. I think this has reached breaking point in so much as the relationship is difficult. Won't be fixed now but that was true in the summer and he didn't go anywhere and of course it's not that easy to find someone for him to go the everyone except they. He'll accept the wages. The club will want him. The railroad will accept the departure. Wherever it's in terms of the transfer fee or the client? Kind of club he goes to him reinforces and so while the problem is there and it's not going to be fixed is not necessarily going to be resolved by him leaving so I think in the meantime I think Madrid's out to Judas can be useful. He's going to end up playing again. Scrape interesting to see whether he's available for the next game on the on the pretense that he said pointed out that he's only ever played for for Wales. It was recently. Yeah I think it was. I think it was as I mentioned before childish an encore for you. Got To try. And you'RE GONNA try and rise above that kind of stuff but I get the feeling that got bill said. She's not get the feeling that he's he's consort Madrid laughing all this frenzy about however getting doper borough and feeling is actually not that bothered. which is the problem in itself self and it's a shame it's all coming? This way seems to be so it going this way I think is going to end one way eventually. And that's clear it'll be bailing Madrid Economi in one way. Let's be honest especially given what we've seen over the last few few months but I just think and China's approval would for it. It's calling attention. Turns your falling out that I don't think these I think are well wherever his next port of clueless. I'm just not sure. What is there to gain in? What already was negative environment before any of this happened to create more hostility? So that when you come back to reality and it's Stephen Moore Hall style than it was before not sure that you gain anything from that. It's great mentioned. Be Interesting to see if he features this weekend roundtree take on real social. Look good so far this season as an amateur with a chance to go to the top if you're paying attention yesterday when you came to the announcement of the ESPN APP see one hundred trophies but not our laissez what I know. A lot of people people were concerned about how messy I proud recipients of the best afford in the world. CFC One it gave him a percent. I wish they sent a I wish to send us. Meanwhile a lot of shocks debates in particular the inclusion of people like. I don't know who but check it out over on the website search Caserio. They look Saturday. Atalanta against events that game live on. ESPN news followed by ABC. Moana Against Napoli Torino and sending into those games back to back on. ESPN plus on Sunday. Take on currency nerve goals. We expect it part of the stadium to be banned for that game. However ver- that has been overturned? That ban is now being suspended. This all leads back of course. Racial chanting that was aimed at Mario ballot. Tally the Italian. Fa once again seeming very soft shot. Yeah as disappointing as it is. It's not surprising. I think Italian football has gone too softly on those who are willing to abuse players of colored racially and at the same time there seem to victim blaming and victim. Punish you give them everything. That Italian football has jill. How does explain themselves? Even Johnny Fantino coming onto making comments about Italian for on their reluctance to act on it yet still despite all the noise immediately after this incident on the threat or the supposedly closing of that part of the stadium that that has been suspended. And it's ridiculous because they they don't seem to want to find a solution for it and as a result result as a player of color especially Italy give them some of the discussions. We've been having over the last couple of months. You're left no other choice but just to walk off the field as much as I want to do it you you. There's nowhere else to tune because nobody from from the authorities seem to want to make this a priority and unfortunately it's not just in Italy you think back to the incident in Ukraine where Tyson of course was receiving older enough. The ball kicked into the stands. The referee then took them off the pitch for five minutes. Anyone they reappeared. He was given a red card for his actions. And according to the Ukrainian that read count as being upheld how he will be suspended for this is doubly ridiculous because first of all. There's no doubt in my mind that Tyson doesn't act this. We defers time. He is the the abuse similarly the referee acknowledges that the abuse is not real but significant in moving the players is off the field and into the dressing room which is supposed to do but then you come back on and show Tyson a red card for kicking the ball away again is victim blaming it shows an absolute look of common sense shooting and just refereeing and dealing with the incident and go back to what I said earlier. If you want a part of the solution. The raffray wasn't in here. You're part of the problem. You create an EFI upholding not not bond. Despite all the evidence on show says exactly the same thing about them Tom. Meanwhile in the second tier of Dutch football we have of course so the excelsior forward Moreira Abuse Receive Racist Abuse from sections the Dan boss supporters. He would then eventually score against them. But this is something that we've never seen this one. This one caught me totally by surprise. Just give them the cultural and ethnic diversity dot the Netherlands enjoys just in their regular everyday communities and societies. I'm not so also also reflective in football on those apply their trees in Dutch football from from the irony visiting all the way down through not just professional amateur football. So it's a see this and especially on the back of a display by a J J Reynolds and young for the for the national team afterwards afterwards. The instant hair isn't it. They see coming together. I thought this was timely. This was poignant not because I think ducks football I thought doc duck football had an issue but European for more and indeed were football on issue. I'm here I thought the players were leading by example and I thought is walk. The game needed yet. Still tune the Dakota bright in Dutch football we having to deal with this issue yet again. No we'll Z.. And here's here's a big problem for me as much as we took him. What individual is not taking action? And they're being again as I say part of the problem I think that can also be knocked up the Fuji if you wait for do nothing about it and indeed do nothing about it. The also every bit as compliant in and I'm endorsing the abuse and that's a strong would but the the the quiet for me is worrying. I'm sitting is worrying for all players of color now. Plays place in the top. Two divisions have trouble with stand still for the first minute of matches this weekend as a protest against racism including our feature match over on. ESPN unfussy take on Eric. Leigh's one twenty five eastern on Saturday international flavor the shackles rankings. Still as terrible voice. Ever being terrible inspired by check shocking. Thought he'd have a go being a hockey goalkeeper. It's very smooth very often. It's tough to prove that I was just trying to start. Up is hard. Eight to get dressed spoof. Fifteen minutes right now is when you live it. The goal drought playing soccer against you. Did they take some prominent show. Yeah they have the puck and took some prompted show. Just dropped your. Ah I know what the guys would tell me as the place. The woman that's saying. Thank you very much they're Welcome into extra-time. Thank very much tweets a lot about Marine Partena if marina wins the FA Cup. Does that make him a bigger success than punch. Yeah no not yet. I still listen I I. I'M A fan. And I think given as resources given the fact that spruce three best finishes in the League or him under under Poetry Tino and ultimately you judged On on League for I I think winning the FA Cup fantastic accomplishment. But I I'd like to see a little bit more steamed consistency and on for a time because he was nice swimming Jackson. Yeah they bonded in Orlando as well and on you too old to be calling anybody punch. Yeah you're honestly you can just a number usually in the rid code name day to over that is Think of Wigan Athletic One and two thousand twelve. I'm relegated lever season. Yeah because over. The course of the season couldn't get the job done. A knockout competition occurred. So I think what would be dispelling. Four to five five years could walk in Portugal Valle Verde deal with bosses defense to save his job. Said said it was interesting because we were talking about Marino and I quote that you gave saying that I would never coach Chelsea because I love Chelsea team today and he said well basically that was before I got the sack never coached them because all of jobs to picks up a little bit put bluster. Tina said he'd never coach Spaniel without ever change the but he never thought is not well said. I don't think you'll make sure uh-huh sorry. What was the question the question I ever coach? Despite the fact he said he never went because when he was on. Oh I think when you say something quite as directors that I think is very difficult to think in some ways. He would be a very good fit for Barcelona enough but now I don't think so. I think bear in mind that he wouldn't ever coach Barcelona. He says there is one of really really really big teams by and I think that's the one that he hopes will come along. I would you have not play for a club after the same. Rangers came in did tain. And did you say no. Yes because you knew what was going to happen I didn't come in I when I left Celtic to go back to the Premier Amy League I got a phone call from John Lewis Friend but six to twelve months later he was asking for the monitoring the time. Would I be interested in trying to go to rangers and I said no but it was not because of the football it was because the lifestyle would have been compromised. Because you know we mow Johnson did a LA eighties is like bomb threats and everything though it's gone we're pie stop. It's gone pasta but we still have been a big Joe so that would've been the only reason shock end mill. Will anyone be met me. Yeah that's very true. Yeah I have your phone on June the expansion draft off by the way just in history. It's usually around this time. What do you mean? I'm moving in in the expansion draft all the young kids as well. You can protect US X. amount you can protect certain amount of players and usually a combination nation of the younger players cheaper players. The guys that you don't think that you would think the other teams would be interested in and so there were a couple of times when we tell us not protective it does quote unquote. I was too expensive. What's what's the draft where you're going to go there you go? That's the combine combine nice to one stevie. Yes said Eh. It went and said well I'd like everyone was with laptops. Fox's Steve Your marriage with a with a bit of short she's who's he spurs finishing the table so now where are they. Fourteen will be willing to finish. They're going to finish six cents Do you follow the fingers. I'm on Johannes tons three points. Wow He's correct you show. I'll say I I well the other day and correct win an international break anymore correct. Hey allie whether finishing they're going to finish in fifth position just outside of the questions All right those craig understand other Scottish people who have deep hanks and someone like ally mccoist was on. CBS They Am. I can understand him at all but I do understand Craig and Stevie all the time well Ali was. Yeah I'll eat worked for US in two thousand and ten World Cup right. SPN and I do believe there was some issues with understanding. But I'll is let basically lived in Glasgow all his life so he still strong Glaswegian accent. GLASWEGIAN CREGGAN STEVE OFF air harder to understand when they when they have when they married tips on the Scottish as well you could imagine to them. After a few people understand Dan you better than Stevie just in January. I do very very low bar I think stevie and is is is. We're both. I left home at sixteen thousand nine hundred tangled right and so when I went to London talking and the way it was obsolete nobody had a clue you refine fight. Iraq sent and over years and years and years is seen by the fourth branch on today. Passively involved uh-huh Bailey. Recently show host. Steve and Craig is still waiting for Shankar in lead to join. Wait wait a second. Don't put me except yeah. Yeah Yeah you and you're more likely. Paula Gobi Social House. I'm just heard stories. Govan Joel those and it was last week. I think we're getting the final MBA's of the goal from this winter and Steve Did something on the T. and Tom to Joe I said something to me. Anyway Ah Stevia. Mario Kempes uh-huh very short one day the F. D. J. Boys used to do the show straight off. The bucket and Mario campus walked tend to do the show. Marios English is not the best but lakes. TV's Steve Tried to have a conversation from where he said. Hey Mario did. Did you play in that game for Argentina. How did a nine thousand nine hundred seventy and Mario and ha sorted right all right? Let's say why did what did think about. Roberta Moreno's departure from the Spanish. National Team could have been dealt with better. Well I mean this this is this is the thing is that the Spanish national team has had five managers in in seventeen months or five managerial spells. Seventeen months none of the problems of really being there making the question is whether they could have been handled handled differently one of the things that Louis Be Alice. The President of the Federation made very clear the other day because he refused to talk about it. was that the reason this happened was we always always left the door and come back on the face of it. That's something I to celebrate. He's very good news. The Louis Riel everything that's happened to him with the tragic death of his daughter now now fills strong enough and ready enough to come back and work and feels like he has the enthusiasm for the for the job again vocals. We come back and robot mode. I know who had been his assistant assistant. Who was one of his best friends? Were then step aside and work with him but somewhere along the line. Lewis and Ricky has decided that is not the case. He doesn't want Robert Moore and it's continue articles. The President of the Federation is in a position. He thinks about him believe it. I'd set this up to make this mover. When he comes back it all kind of just falls into place and it's all very nice now icons and he in a way I mean he could have handled it better? I suppose but I think it was put in an almost impossible position really fun questions. Question said any chance of a book. Count so needs a few items to the holiday list for the MISSUS' We'll do a deal right if one hundred thousand people right and with that same message annot promised to buy it for the Winter Albright went. Well if I go a month the book in a month Considerando Stevie did. Didn't he do shout. Why don't people are interested in your life? And his holidays Yeah laws wouldn't unclear it. Craig's will be fun futile but Scores boys for many a year. Now we've been too many brought down with included more importantly Mike and so now really a diary of Hamill's draft days ace. I was also part of the Combined Davies back complaint. These retton was our colleague Donaldson. Who wrote the book going around there and eat cookies? Basically make yourself at home. It did. And then Steve You ring them up crazy o'clock because he denied idea for the Book Donaldson said you've already told me I just remember. Just remember this story with Kennedy Glitch. You've told me I'm sorry I'm a statue that's going someone who's been involved in these kinds of processes before that's very hands on from Steve. Love applies their mentality is okay. There's a deal signed with a with a publisher that involves me. Maybe meeting the journalist. Let's say for argument's like picking a number of what's the head ten times the free hours and then just let him get that. Sounds like Steve. She she might Smith said you did. Luis Suarez. So I can't imagine that fifteen buds odds before he found you on some revive. Its things go if things got someone working very book and I can't complain about biscuits he's got be giving a bit more than biscuits based on it was a full servants multiple times. Okay wrong or not is eh done. Hey we will be in Wisconsin tomorrow. Oh I'm hoping here laugh. What you're saying lil the? That's the one.

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Caught Offside: What did we just witness???

"Caught offside with regarding and JJ Davani. Yes. Caught off side from the Upper West side of Manhattan, hands gulling and JJ Davani. What's up man, you're alive? I am alive. Seemed like a lot of people were wondering about that. I had to make video and if I didn't see it I explain to everyone you were missing in South Carolina. You had gone incognito in the sense that your phone are being turned off, we're uncontactable. So that that made me realize that DVR was in play. And then I tried to tell people, you know, don't text on tweets. Just let them let them then at midnight. He reemerged with one of the grit Tech's of all time. What the bleep have. I just witnessed couldn't believe it. Yeah. I decided yesterday because my flight was at five thirty and so I kind of decided like in traveling with three year old like it's not like I could go to an airport bar and just watch until my flight boarded. I mean, but it's mass not couldn't there's just no way. And so I said, you know, what I'm just I'm shutting off I'm shutting off, and I turn usually I'll go into like airplane mode or something like that. But this time I said, you know, what I still wanna be able to have access to like, my g mail or whatever or do work or whatever. But I still wanted internet. So I showed off text messages completely. I didn't even know you could do that. But I shut them all down, and I just disconnected. And when I got to the terminal I saw the game was on at like some corner area own one. But I made sure I put my. Back to the screen. Oh law and at one point I heard a guy scream, and I still there was like in my head of thing. Okay. What could that have been and in having a heart attack and having now watch the game? I have no idea what I'd love to find that guy. What was what was that moment that I heard that man being murdered? Andrew his back was watching the game. He was in one of the spots where he was doing that. But I love to know what it was because my God there were so many moments from that Tottenham Manchester City game. But you gotta walk Hawes people to just scream, but the great thing is you got to watch it in purity. I had no idea. I truly had absolutely no idea when I turned it on her about ten fifteen last night as to what happened. So like, I always say to people if you're willing to disconnect it can be done. Yeah. It can be done. Going off the grid is not for Alex Jones fans and Survivalists alone for soccer fans soccer fan. Yeah. Oh my God. JJ? I don't I mean, the only thing I guess I could compare. Two for how your feeling as a fan? Such a different game. But probably the the agony and emotional changes of the USA ALgeria game. In terms of just the way, I felt when was over just like this feeling of like just like your spent just ran a marathon or something. And I think that's really the only other one that. I I remembered your drained on your sweaty after it, you know, you actually you feel tired as if you played some physical part it that was that was not to game even for the neutral. It was unbelievable before we get kind of incident. Nitty gritty of the game. It's kind of fun to like talk about the fan aspects of it. And you know, obviously, I said on the podcast earlier this week that the ten minute stretch from minute fifty two minutes sixty of Liverpool. Chelsea was the ten most exciting minutes of the season. So far if that's the case, then what are the first twenty minutes of that Tottenham Manchester City game. Now, I got bashed for being called a PFM. But I treat it out straightaway. I said this. This is wildly enjoyable, but it's author chaos and silliness, and it was utterly silly. It was every time somebody went forward and attack. They scored I because I was making notes, and I was also trying to live tweet it because I do recognize the fact that a lot of people. They don't have the tying DVR and watch it at the end. They may be can't get out of work in the middle of the day. Although it seems as if most of New York just takes the Champions League days. All I know you do. Yeah. But I mean, I can do that. And and so I'm life tweet, and I basically look up and I see the smiling face of sun like twice. He's scored twice. Good lord. It was wild. It was one Asli it was really wild. And I mean, just to be a montage of keepers falling over and going the wrong way for a while. Well, I mean, if you wanna get into the game itself, I would say that look Manchester City's let's be honest for sick for the most part, Manchester City, were brilliant. They were like watching that game as a Spurs fan. They were terrifying. Well, Kevin debris was incredible Rame. Sterling is now in the conversation. He's looked met. What mess? He's doing is just kinda thing unto itself, of course, in that next here believe beneath messy sterling there. Now. He's fantastic. That first goal was everything that a matches the city found would have wanted to seen in the first leg and was denied it by the. The eccentricities of a manager who will get to later in a bit of death. Put two point drives at that. Spurs defence slips the ball out. The minute left is boot Andrew was in was just a brilliant brilliant goal now. I don't want like the achilles heel for Manchester City on the reason it was two two after what ten minutes was basically. I'm Erica port who on the first instance, that's a really tidy Spurs move nice inch interchange put the ball back. And he just he's off balance is is the most forgivable thing I can say for him and he just this week clearance pass. He laid it off beauty heated up for sun on Edison has committed himself his wits all going the wrong way on he can't keep it out. And then he does it again. But the second one was on forgivable where he steps this hugely heck. Veto ch. Which is in the worst part of the worst bought Spurs break. No, that's beyond a Spurs. Break was devastating city would have been proud of that break sewn shifted onto his right foot and cars, and I mean, if we're talking about the echelons of Raheem sterling wears son in all of this, you know, own believable. Yeah. His star of the game was incredible. It was after the way city started with the quick Gulf from sterling the response. I would say the response from sun. But you're right. He got equal help from LaPorte to make that happen. It was just the worst thing that could have happened for Manchester City. It was so deflated for them to the point where they then allowed it to happen. Like you said immediately after the second goal on you're so conscious of away goals at that point. You're like we are killing ourselves here. Then they go down the feed with, you know, a brilliant brilliant move. There was a ten minute lull in few grind call the low and they go down the field on. It's a quick free kick, and it's everything Sadie are quick and incisive dot ball from. Kevin Dubrow was that raking pasta fire post for Ryan Starling? It was laser-guided. It was absolutely magnificent uninsured his range of passing his football brain is again, we're talking about echelons of messy and starting to bring his brand is on a different level and he picks him out. And starting does the need for at the back post, by the way, even before Brown his pass. I just thought that Bernardo Silva's little backheel to debris. No was great that whole move leading up to that goal. Was it was classic Manchester City. It was beautiful. I don't know what you're if you're a city fan. What do you? I know from my perspective at that point. I thought oh like this is just way too much time for them to only need one more goal. I think Manchester City fans were probably thinking the same. I felt like that goal was coming. I felt that way. I was like this is not a task city will find onerous. And then as the game develops you see a central midfielder for Spurs being. I mean doing his best to stay on the field. Such was the need for him to be there. When Soka went off Andrew it was over for me. Because to bring a kept getting in behind. You had basically known orthodox midfield failure midfielders like son to do things that which he did excellently that he's not really built for and d- decision. Not to give the teenager shift. The his introduction was brought up. Yeah. Skip excuse me. Skip was probably vindicated by bringing on your end. Boy to broin kept finding spots. Abso- deriving Starling. I thought actually Andrew the game was going to get away from spars and city would win comfortably. If. Oh, yeah. There was definitely a moment after guero scored which by the way, it was just like. It was just like a carbon copy of his goal against Queens Park. Rangers to win the league not the past. But I'm saying Aquarius finish from where it occurred from just like. Yeah. The way in which he shot it almost looked identical. Sam Borden was tweeting about it. He you know, he was trying to kind of figure out whether there was blamed to be appropriated to to Hugo Reese for being beaten there. And I think nobody likes to be beaten at his near post, but at the same time, he's absolutely Leatherdale. So hard. But demand thing for me from that was the Kevin Boina Ron where he just slaloms. He takes off Andrew annoying can get coastal beats three or four players really before he sides it in to a guero on. And it was a really great finish. And then I'm I'm like, that's it. That's it. They will. They will prevail. Tottenham had gone along point up to that point without really showing signs of life. And you just felt like, you know, because then you start thinking about the way in which they scored those first two goals, and they came off of Manchester City mistakes. And you just started thinking city are not gonna let that happen again and our Tottenham in a position right now where they're able to create their own opportunity without needing needing to come. From knows mistake will know because of losing socal bringing in your NT Spurs were sitting much much deeper. Erickson was way too far away from the city gold, and it seemed like a manful effort to get down the field. Now that said you rent a still had that chance they header which Edison saved a pri- prior. To his goal, right which and then so the header happened for your rent, a he didn't convert it and then Manchester City went right back down. And that's when they got the goal, right? So you feel as if it's going to take the missed our chance you feel like there'll be one more chance for spars law of averages. But that's it and back corner kick if they don't score off the elbow hip. This game is is completely be on them. So maybe we should talk about that. No. Yes. Sure. Yeah. Man there. I'm just looking at things I wrote down here. And there are so many angles. I wanna get to we'll go to the VAR decision right now on I that one then the the real at the end. Look, I'll be honest. I I think you have to say that this is now the standard for Vars impact. And what it can mean you look back at the first leg and Manchester City benefiting from questionable decision on The Danny rose handball, which they were not able to convert boy, did you ever think it would come back to bite them quite like this and then VAR coming to to save Spurs? Here's the thing. I don't know. I can't sit here and tell you exactly what it was the referee was seeing compared to what we were seeing from what I gather fans were seeing more than what he was seeing. Which if true is it's shocking. If I were Manchester City fan, I don't really know how I would come to grips with that reality all of this with far it's all as I've said from day one. It's all great. And I fully believe it should be instituted. But here's the thing. It's all great in theory. If the technology hasn't caught up to the idea of it, then it's a problem. So if for whatever reason for if the technology is not allowing the official to see pitch side what we're seeing on television. That is a problem and to me that means that it's not ready to be used. Correct. I think if you look at the angle that was replayed most regularly that was the angle that the referee saw Craig birdie on ESPN AFC pointed out that the other angle from Vare the one that shows it hit the elbow. Then hit the hip was not, Sean. But the other thing is Andrew the humble rude. His arms not extended. He has it talked in. It's not like some kind of natural language. Although again that phrase does not work either. But also doesn't the handball rule change in this situation as opposed to if you're a defensive player for a penalty? He's not he's not trying to propel the ball into the net with his arm or his hand. Honestly, I thought if it was your arm in some way. Aides in the goal being scored which in this case, maybe that's up for debate. And in fairness, the referee off of what he was seeing his reaction was was the correct one like he kind of shrugged his shoulders Wayne from the monitored said 'cause I talked about it last week. If you can't tell after certain amount of time, then you just have to go with what it was on the field. We can't sit here forever them. But the problem is if he's not seeing every angle. Well, then that's a failure of the technology and the technology's not ready to go. And so we don't have it. It was very close. I do believe if it when everything that I've seen I think it's I think you can now say like new replace of have zoomed in on the other side. I think you can now say it is it's fairly conclusive that it does in some way touch his arm. Yeah. From the. Decide we saw on TV versus there's a side. No that's been re tweeted about one hundred six times on that site, which the referee did not have access to shows clearly hits the elbow arm area. And then comes onto the hip and into the net the complicated legacy just to get off air for second the complicated legacy of Fernando your intake continues. Eight is I don't even know what to say about him. I hate him. I love him. He's my favorite player. He's my least favorite player. You're right. You're right. We'll talk more about him. Because I have here. I do wanna get to there were so many like heroes goats in this game. I do wanna get to that. But let's stick with our first second just go to the last one. Yeah. Because this was really the moment. So after I I'd say from about the sixty fifth minute on. I am now standing in my living room by myself a can't sit on pacing. And like I said on the podcast earlier in the week. I didn't mean it to be funny. I just trying to relate the feeling of Tottenham fans as all of this. This whole run is going on the sense of doom. That's coming people really responded to that. But yeah, they 'cause it because I really think if you a Spurs fan you can resonate with with that comment. Yeah. I've really think that we're as Tottenham fan base. We're all in. That together. And we all know what that feeling is. Because we've seen it so many it's like me on a hot June day and someone's handing out free ice cream. It's exactly what I need. This is a glorious moment the ice cream is made of sharp glass. Exactly. Right. So for Manchester City to then score for him stone the score that goal after Christian Erickson just commits one of the brainless errors of all time. Just a Nuff with like it's fancy time is over. All right. Just smash the hell out of the ball like Victor one Yama. He he was making great tackle after great tackle. And then he didn't care where. Just do that for him to then pass backwards have deflected by Bernardo Silva. And then like nothing I didn't need to see anything else. We all knew how that was going to ask God for that defection. Well, yes, you could obviously say that dot creates the off site if there's no defection is off site. And so the goal goes in and it's just it just all felt so stereotypical. I to the point where I almost it almost felt stupid like this is just to this is to following the script and then the goal goes in. And I just I walk over to my basement door God, and I just rest my head on the door. And I'm just standing there and the TV is on kind of in the room next to me. And I I'm just motionless with my head leaning against the door about twelve fifteen at night. And then I'm listening to the TV and I hear this from. Danny higginbotham. Yes, I an analysis. Shared factual zone goal. Wairoa is side. I don't know. I heard that. Because in real time. There was no part of me thought there was any any saving this through VAR. And I heard that and I lifted my head off the door, and I just looked over. And I thought oh hang on. And then this. Churn. Factual zone goal has an argument Wairoa he'll side. I don't know what. In that situation. Is there a possible offside with Wairoa mutt? Goodness. Assistant took all. Go short term. I was utterly stunned because I used deflated for you. But more than anything I looked at the Spurs players on. I looked at them fall to their knees. I looked at him heads enhance looked at viral who looked. Crestfallen. But I looked at them through the prism of all these years of things like this happening, obviously, not as dramatic, but of naira tive, and I looked Podger Tino. And I looked at a broken, man. And I thought is might this be the end of the run you're so right. My was thinking the same this it how much more can you take? It felt like it was going to be a seismic moment in their his like a bookmark to the end of something that was almost great for spark. Because they've you're right. They've dealt with deflation many times before and how many Tottenham games have we walked away from where we've talked on this podcast where the neutral applauds them for their effort. But at some point, it's just that's not enough. No, it's not. And this was just going like, you know, we we heard earlier in the four two against Barcelona. We've heard it in Chelsea FA Cup semifinals against Chelsea and Manchester, United and. And it just felt like this was going to be the ultimate in that. And and I don't know how much more that players can take the manager can take that for that announcer to say that it almost hit me. I I don't think anyone you can hear the crowd. It was it was armouring with confusion. Silence. It was like an awkward guess murmuring. Is the right word not even a roar from the Tottenham away fans. I don't think even. The magnitude of that decision. I don't know if it really hit anyone know until play kind of resumed. And there was just the stunned feeling through that place. And I think through every supporter of both clubs that were watching that. It's our first Tare in the goal celebration. Continuum our first real Tare in that from Vare because Donyell story who we've had on the podcast twice. He was incensed by what the not so much the decision. But rather the way it came about what it did to that that whole moment. But we I don't wanna go down that road again because we go into Jj is a theory will I continue. But yeah, he was he was I mean, I from Manchester City fans point of view. I can't imagine a worse way. To lose the dream died in silence. I cannot imagine a worse way to lose. You think? The way pet is celebrating the scenes in that in the hat. I don't think we've seen those seen since that Manchester City QPR Matt now. Can we talk about peppermint? Yeah. Are doing. Here's the thing. I do want to kind of list heroes and villains from this. Okay. Feels like there's a lot to go around. And if you wanna start with pep. That's that's fine. One of the silent visions of the night was LeRoy Sanei on the bench for for Seoul long. I when he came on he at an impact, Andrew, you know, he is a player that you wonder how how much longer he's going to be at Manchester City for no other reason, certainly copy performance other than that. There's something with the manager. That's not quite right. How he stayed off for so long. I don't know when his his especially when Spurs lost the center of their midfield was ripped away. No, I don't understand. I'm when he came on. He said up going to gun for a very good chance, which he reached taken a torch. But let's talk about pet, and let's go back to the first leg Andrew where this all began where he leaves. Okay. You saw the impact of the broin tonight and over the weekend and over the weekend it every week. He plays every time. He does anything. No last week. We talked about overthinking situations and last year when the same thing happened to where chaos ensued in a game against Liverpool in the first leg there. There seems to be an inability for pep to react because he is such a systems based man, this is from Barney Ronin in the guardian this morning. There is a theory that Guardiola the master of control and systems just isn't suited to the intangibles of one off knockout football nights, where an entire campaign can be thrown away in a fit of human frailty or surge of irresistible emotion. There is an awful lot in this that I subscribe to he. He over thinks things he is paralyzed by analysis. He tries I don't wanna say choice to be too clever. He pays the opposition too, much respect and we end up with situations. Like this his ability to think on the fly in these moments of chaos is extremely worrying in a competition about is now in its current guise once upon a time it was ruled by cruel and cold calculating motion and mostly by the Italian teams catenaccio under. I can't tell you how many nights as young fell. I watch pins league quarter-final second legs of first eggs about were as dull as bejesus. There was very little of this kind of mass chaos and and everybody stick to a rigid formation. This is not the time for it. Now, you need to be able to just on an Harris the emotion on the chaos pep. Can't do it. So in terms of his over thinking things, I think the reason I you're really left with no choice, but to agree with that is like, look, it's one thing to over think it in terms of the formation. You wanna play, you know, the style. Do we press against this team? Do we not do we sit back and defend a little bit more? Okay. Fi. There's elements of that that I can certainly disagree with like I did in the first leg when he's playing with an extra defensive midfielder. But to over think it to the point where you opt to go not just with the defense the extra defensive midfielder. But do that at the expense of your best player and Kevin O'Brien? Like, there can just never be a scenario in a game of that magnitude where he's healthy and not playing and I don't miss mean to disparage Gunderson from the first leg, but we've seen this story before. No lesson was learned from the Liverpool game, you know, play play playing. Gonna is good player. But but sacrificing the broin a-. In a first leg. There's no need nor disrespect to spars. It's. I can't understand it. I think spars were there for the taking in the first game. I'm pep came away from it that we created a few chances. We did this. We did that it was such a muted performance in the first game compared to what they were able to conjure in the first half at the at the idiot yesterday just makes some of it comes down to just some some unfortunate luck for him. You know, are we saying this grow scores? The penalty are we saying this if VAR doesn't allow for Nando your rent as goal are we saying this, but he's left a window open for the ripen. Absolutely. Right. Amherst laporte. Like, what is what is pets opposed to do about that the guy's been a reliable defender form for most of the season? You know, some of that is is hard to legislate. But you're right. Look your day. Does score the goal in the seventy third minute eleven minutes. Go by before LeRoy Sante steps foot out on the field. How can that happen? Why? How can that? How can that be a low to happen? And look folks, you can come out me an unsafe. Hey, well, you know, he likes to do extra. Why he likes to you know, he's very this is a guy who is so rooted to the system Rony goes on his pace to say this when he started at a Manchester City there was that video, you know, videos leaked of him on the training field, which where I believe this kind of coaching should happen. I seem do it after games. I don't like it. He's in starting face. He's doing this pulling strings he's doing all guys guys guys guys when we get the ball, sit down drink water, relax. Sorry. That was halftime. And so he is very much systems and position orientated. He painted a white dot on the side of the field during training, untold Starling to to stand on it. He is so bedded to the idea of with who can give you devastating with in the English game better than LeRoy Santa arena. And now, here's the thing. I can't necessarily sit here and tell you who sonnet should've played instead of because you know, every for the most part in attack everyone in the second leg from Chester city did their job. Yeah. But you can Bernardo Silva. I guess would be the guy. But you know, he scored and he was great. But thinking the fly Andrew this. This is what you're supposed to be able to do. Yeah. You're right. I I don't know. Maybe so fine. You don't wanna start Sunday. That's one thing. But when you know you still need goals late in that game after your rent scores that goal into wait eleven minutes. Those are crucial minutes that they allowed to take away deal. It's I don't want to sit here and say, it's unforgivable stuff. They could still go on and win the league epoch fashion. You know, pet is still a great, man. I'm not meaning to say that you know, that that he's not greater worthy of of what Manchester City are paying him. Yeah. But but it's certainly fair to ask questions. He's not perfect. He said last season after Liverpool in the league, he said, we can allow to go, you know, we can allow to go to one, but we mustn't lose control bay scored. And they lost control last night. That's another thing. Yeah. Control is such big part of what he does. He can't afford to lose it. When he does lose it. He has no way to react in terms of other villains in this one. We mentioned the port. I don't really have much else to say about horrifying night for him yet. Simple as that Christian. I mean, I kinda he was bailed out and any Erickson admitted that in the view afterwards that he basically thank God that that it played out the way that it did with the VAR decision. But just his decision to play that back pass. He would be one the the heroes for me. If if pep is a villain. I think Pasha Tino has to be a hero in that. The thing that I said on our last podcast. We were previewing this game was that. I hope taught them still go out and play their game to a certain extent. And look they score two goals. Yes. They were opportunistic goals, but they did score early on and more. So when soco got hurt to bring on to have your rent a come on and to re with two up front to reinforce what you have up front. I thought that was a shocking decision. I saw Davidson Sanchez warming up on thing. Okay. He's gonna come on. And they're going to go. They're going to go all out. Let's defend now because we're worried that. So, you know, so soco does a lot in pushing the play forward and picking out that pass to Erikson once they lost that I thought it just be defended cost now. So for puch Tina bring on your rent who validated that decision in not just scoring the goal. But like we said nearly scoring one before that man that was a bowl old decision by him into pay. Off moment. We're talking about moments that that in a Cup competition. Like, this can swing one way or the other. We talk about reports mistakes. And we talk about the miss penalty in the first light. But one moment for me was Danny rules when the gold was gaping for Bernardo Silva. He got his body. It's the save and remakes say rebound right in front spills it and his Roydon front and rose. What an excellent piece of defending to get his body in between an an ocean away thought that was just wonderful. So he's he's a hero for me as well. I taught one Yama was excellent really do think sawn. There's one reason I can't call sauna hero. Andrew never let it be forgotten that he did this ship was on triple. Yes. It's an advert for ice cream. Shoop shoop. Cohn. Call the visual is very important in that his little dance that he does and the t shirt. What are you wearing what year was that? From I need to speak to my sister, and my career and sister-in-law that was done in nineteen eighty three. I'd say, okay. It's still weird. But I get it that couldn't have happened recently. But he is he's quite something. He is a hero. And yet at the same time. Why why not do something for coffee? Do a cool coffee. Are a Cairo advert ship ice cream. Look great. It looks it looks like a carnival. Yeah. I guess final thoughts on this one before we move onto I exited Venice this whole run the Tottenham on right now. It's easy to forget. Where this all began. Remember the first Champions League match for them against inter when they have the lead late and give up two late goals for entered to steal that. Then the Barcelona game where it was the ultimate, you know, all little Tottenham like oh you played. Well, we're proud of you. But messy was incredible points after two games. And then PSV this like the next one. Okay. This is the one now where they really need to do some and they give up the eighty seven th minute equaliser, just one point from their first three. Then it starts to turn the to you know, kind of thought it was over they played PSV in the next game at Wembley and Harry Kane scored two late goals to overturn the goal. That was scored in the second minute from Idaho van Cain scored in the eighty seventh and eighty nine or seventy nine and eighty nine something like that. And it was a fun win. But even then I remember thinking, well, okay. It's nice to win. It's not going to be a total embarrassment. And then you get the inter game with another late goal for Tottenham to win that. And then it comes down to the Barcelona one. And you get Lucas more with the lady allies are coupled with PSV helping out Spurs, you know, it's it's a run that really almost never should've even happened the help that they needed to get to this point. And the way they've taken advantage of it. They they kinda bossed Borussia Dortmund with a four nil aggregate. They lose Cain there without Eric dire. They lose the soco links Harry wings goes out with an injury before this game. And yet they beat Manchester City, and they're into the semi finals for the first time, I wonder, and I we we've got so much to cover. So don't wanna go deep in this. But I wonder is the smaller squad. That's Burs are operating out of does that create a togetherness in a resiliency and a fight. Yeah. I don't know because I'm sure it does. But I, oh, that's a slippery slope into the are they better off without Harry Kane. And I like I said, I can't I just can't. Zoe innocent, it's nonsense. Let's save I'll say as a Tottenham fan. I'm prepared to move this to the top of the list for me for best Tottenham game I've ever seen. Yeah. By the way, Spurs are in the European Cup semi final. I will deal with what people have been saying that in my red cards in my man of the match section. Also, I it does move us one step closer to my nightmare scenario the caught off site Culp European. I can feel what they're talking about about ready. I don't want people are. I don't want people are demanding another Radha battle, by the way. I used up all my material on on that that one I literally pay for Nazda Goeman here and take you on in my stead. Let's let's move onto. I x events is which probably would have been the headline grabber from these past couple of days. Had it not been for what happened with Tottenham and Manchester City on Wednesday. I think with I XE. Here's the thing that some people are having a hard time with we don't want to I really feel like you. And I are trying to go out of our way to not be patronizing of I because they are three time European champions. Right. And because you know, what they are legitimately a great teams are wonderful. But here's the only problem that I'm having a hard time with in balancing that feeling with the the feeling of will what are they like they're in a they're not running away with the device. No, they're in a dogfight. Fight with PSV Hoven right now. But they are absolutely built for these Cup competitions right now in the way that they played the fearless way. Andrew the result. Absolutely flattered you Venice. It should've been four one. Such was I XE dominance in the second half white chick Hsieh's ni oh what a save multiple amazing blank range with one arm where he gives up no rebound. And what about the one from Zaire? Who who by the way is the shock king of the world. He he is the guy in nine aside on Monday night soccer, where you're like we just pass the ball. He loves his shot. And you wonder if actually the wastefulness this might be the thing that's going in there. It's going to be inspired favor in the semi final near Ziad tach. Always chances all in favor in fairness detach, his west chances where he centered it where where he should've shot himself. Maybe that doesn't count. I'm own believable performance. JJ had one move up. The field result in a goal. But what was it like a fourteen pass just pink bumping open up the movement? Del Piero spoke after the game, the events legend about the mazing thing about them, and he talked about the youth, and etc. He said, it's it's none of that. It's their awareness of space. How they get between the lines how they get behind you. They create triangles. They're like, I mean there if if you own cry God rest and was there. This is the kind of football. He would want to play this kind of football. He instituted a Barcelona. Yeah. It's a thing of beauty. It is absolutely gorgeous. Did you miss key Leaney at the back? I think they missed his leadership. But the way that midfield was passed through. I wanted to talk just a quick thing about. Rinaldo and spending eighty million or whatever was on getting him in because he is money in the Champions League. That's a good decision. But if you look at the under performers in this team, Dibaba and underperformer Emory Chan not an underperformer shouldn't be any event jersey matisyahu. Workmanlike? Good player. Still was a bargain by piano. I mean, he had a coupla good moments. But otherwise, the second half were those guys should be taken a grip of that midfield. They were totally vanderbeek Zayas narrows, Frankie diong shown pass through them. It was a masterclass. It's an indictment on anomaly Encarta Lodhi, seventeen points, basically, decide own believable. Yeah. I really think that it's. I almost don't even want to sit here and speak negatively of events. I know because I really think that if the only reason will do that is because it's I hate to say this book because it's I acts like if I asked that same exact performance, but they're wearing like, Manchester United jerseys. Instead, we probably wouldn't have any problem with you know, L. Yeah, you've just aren't as good a team. It started. What your Klopp after the Aropa league final in twenty seventeen when United won it? And he said will we put severe who are battle-hardened Europa league finalists and United played only. I ax in the final. Well, let me cut this down from here on in. There is no more only. I xe. This team has been building over the last three years on the discharge ship of them. Mark Overmars and technical staff there. This is the team with a plan. And I'm telling you, Andrew there's no reason they can't win the whole thing up. There is no reason on Spurs are obviously very aware of that one thing that stood out to me. And I said this before but I have the perfect dropped are. Company at a one point. I'm watching Tadic Joyce dice and slice. This event. Is back line would own believable passing on. I'm thinking the absurdity of Southampton. Letting him go for peanuts out of the Premier League. And all think of was we are. It's it's nonsense. Where's your scouts primarily the guys only thirty thirty one? He thirteen million euros was is out of the league. And he's in European Cup semi final. And he will be in my team of the championship. One hundred percent credit great. Remember his performance against Real Madrid second leg, and he hasn't stopped. He hasn't slowed down from that. By the way, on in terms of encapsulating the night last year. It was Peter jewelry when Roman knocked out Barcelona this year, it's Peter jewelry with a lovely little kind of Mont. Not montage his thoughts. Summation? Yes. After the game insurance. Boys, kicked out of your old lady. The upstart establishments. The. Our semi Champions League for the first time since nineteen ninety seven. For your the Waco told you has had its day who says who says could they brilliant cross accents. Who says this is? Do me a favor. No more. It's I XE. No more. This is the end of it on also no more talking about the fact this team is going to break up soon because it's heartbreaking. I don't look. Now, you're totally right about that. I think that there's you can go a little bit deeper on the Rinaldo stuff the referring to not just him specifically. But I guess that that whole experiment from event, but he's doing his job to be fair. Titi scored the goal once again did anything for them in the two legs. Right. But you know, there's part of me that wonders about that is is he is that because he's there you make very good point the final for the forty five minutes because I watched the first half United Barcelona. I I wanted to get testable the final forty five minutes was them belting balls to Renaldo, and you your adament would be that. Maybe that new or someone like the bottom certainly him. Yeah. Is it stunting the growth of certain other players now, by the way that is not Rinaldo fault. No that is on each and every one of these other players to find a way to make an impact the only player that look like in the second half was Moi's keen who came on for develop for time for and he was he? He's going to be great does just trust me. He really well. But he had a great chance was the ball breaks, the only real chance in second half. Not the only one, but the man chance in the second half and delivered out of nowhere just comes across this nonchalance, lightning tackle recovery tackle. They're awesome. Yeah. They really are. I wonder now for events is because they went all in. I mean when you spend money on Rinaldo, and you do so at the expense of some of your younger players the goal. Here was not to win Syria, which they're going to waltz to once again the goal. This was about finally getting that Champions League that they have has alluded them for a while. Now, do you know, what's delicious? I x and teams like that in from smaller leagues, the Agnelli's who the owners of you vent. Stay are at the forefront of this European Superleague idea, which will be a closed shop, which will get rid of the LeicesteR city's the Rosenbergs happen. It can't happen. Not have. No, it shouldn't be allowed. This is too much fun on. It's just wonderful that he is to sit at home. Thinking about Dussan Todd age I narrow and Frankie Dion and all these. Yeah. I'm so curious what happens to the event is now because there's no turning back Renaldo is there is a four year contract. You're spending that money on him. This is like that was the alternate in win now behavior they're bringing an Aaron Ramsey, which I don't know. I I do like him doesn't put the more of the topic changes the way I feel about them. But it doesn't necessarily mean that event is can't just because they lost this year too. I it doesn't mean that they can't go out with a similar team next year and win, but they need better players. I honestly think they've looked at Renaldo and said, this is the missing piece and they've brought in like, I still don't understand the Emory Chan signing on I don't want to hear from Liverpool fans. He was was not up to power for us in the Premier League apart from vice kick against Wofford, what makes you think he's going to stroll into the event and do anthem for them. You know, maybe maybe guys like deba- panic as being a very good player for him Juno. What's nothing? Andrew will age is also going to be back. You line is. Well, they've got a real there. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see where things go I'll tell you what we still have to other games. Well, we can I I'm going to be like a Senate subcommittee hearing. I I see see my time on Liverpool because you will you will see your time next. We still have Liverpool. Porto United Barcelona mailbag men in the match red card still allowed to do. Don't go anywhere. Geico presents yet another voicemail from your roommate? About the kitchen turns out when there's a grease fire. You're not supposed to throw water on it. Wouldn't own right anyways. The fire department is here, and it's totally cool can call back when you get a chance co insurance agency could help keep your personal property protected. Like if danger is your roommates middle name. Visit Geico dot com to see how easy it is to switch and save on renter's insurance. Oh back now on caught off side. Hey, we just want to remind everybody to check out laughter permit. It truly Foudy for new podcast, which I guess isn't necessarily even so new anymore. It's really often running seven episodes in Sydney route wire this week. Check it out. It's it's a podcast. That's very good. Nice so. Yeah. Laughter. Permitted. Which will you can check it out on the ESPN pod center network. We have been talking about the Champions League here. We've already talked about Tottenham advancing over Manchester City, and I ex over event is still to other games mentioned Liverpool and Porto that was on Wednesday. As well Liverpool in the end, rob to what appear to be an easy victory. I don't know if it was quite I don't think it was easy as the score indicated, but Porto's inability to finish in the first half. I think sealed their fate the battered for thirty minutes. Porta needed the score in that window. They did not Liverpool. Get one chance the score albeit via I think that was was that that was the first vire review goal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was mono- who was adjudged to be on site. And that was that really. I know they got a goal back Bush that was quite comfortable for men and read the boy there, I know you mentioned about how fresh they appear to be right now. And you see a little bit of that. Now, they're still it's gonna get interesting for them because they they March on in the Champions League. I remember we were joking about this a couple of months ago about whether or not they even wanted to and yet here they are going on the semi finals. And it's Manchester City who are desperate. Why is talking about liberal Dogo chapters impervious absolute I mean, it's on it's on right now. So we'll see if that catches up to them because Manchester City this it's hard for the season for me to envision this season ending for them without them winning the league or champion ROY Smith going to go full bore Rory Smith things the worst thing that could have happened for Liverpool was Spurs win in on. On tweeted, such and I subscribe to both versions seeds of doubt have been sown might be psychological barrier. But also, they may roll up their seize on a wounded lion on just go crazy. It's truly amazing by the way that Tottenham and city play this weekend at the hot once again. Yeah. Right back. I'll be curious. We'll city come out just furious and just like ready to tear them apart with a six nil. Or are they now have they taken a punch that they are not gonna be able to recover and embolden urine test scores a hat trick. But the thing with Liverpool and this title challenge. Look, obviously, Manchester City can now focus solely on winning the league. But it's not like they're playing Liverpool. Every week Liverpool aren't playing against Manchester City. They still play who they play Liverpool doesn't have to be pretty. But as long as they keep beating the teams that they're beating it only. It's only gonna take one moment for city to potentially slip up, which we're now seeing is a thing that can happen. We talked about earlier this week that city probably the more difficult schedule the rest of the way. So they can focus quote, unquote, focus on the league all they want. It doesn't necessarily change. What the outcome is going to be before we told United Barsa people have been giving us credit for our mystical proclamations. Yours was that PS gee, could mess up again. And they did mine was not there would be a ton of goals in mind city, aren't Mancini's Burs. And there was also one you get another one though because you said not so fast there your way of depends. Let me when I said the Brighton would. Probably end cardis campaign. Not yet not yet. And it's a weekend Warnock for Liverpool and the game a little bit different. It's on now. It's relegation races on now. And then willa will close out the champions look with Manchester United in Barcelona. Yeah. I know maybe the first leg was closer in terms of the score. I don't think anybody can look at this and necessarily be shocked. Leo Messi was his usual self. David Hale was not allowing a goal that you just typically don't see from players like him pushes himself into the optic stats where he is in the. He's not he's not at the top for goals concede our mistakes leading to goals, but it's way higher than he'd like it to be for the season. Yeah. It was it was a bit of a mass. They started so strongly you had rash for clip in the crossbar scooped it up. They had a chance then we Makamba who miss kicks. They could have really wrestled at toy back. But they didn't. I'm once Barcelona got hold of things. United did not have a midfield that could cope first goal. Actually, young mix mistake. You should kick it over the inlay just kick it out. Don't give it up there. It falls too messy who gets on it with. He had a point to prove not a point to prove. He was you know, the anger from getting getting his jaw cracked or whatever in Old Trafford that residual anger rare to Ted in the new camp skins Fred scores wonderful goal. And then again, it's turnover but more or less turnover in front of the United goal and the hey, let's dribbler under his body. And that's it Andrew it's game over after that. There was some horrific not safe for work images of messy running at Phil Jones where the bondage on it was honestly said it was sad. It reminded me of Gary k hill, they're messy running out of once where he just gave him twisted blood. I believe is the term wasn't good, by the way in fairness. Debit ahead. The way that move ended with surgery Roberto's shot from point blank range under different circumstances. It would have been like one of the saves of the champion so far, right. But because to already had the howler and because that goal whether went into not wound up not even really mattering. We knew at that point at the matter and then continue comes on second half on just Ben's one into the top corner on Cope's Xeres, not at the Man United fans, but of the buyers of friends who don't like him. So there we are. I don't know what I don't have really much else to say, I guess the only thing now is to say that the final four that we're left with it. Probably wouldn't be the four that you might have guessed before the Champions League began. I think Barcelona Liverpool you wouldn't say are necessarily shocking certainly are Celona Tottenham. And I ex I think you would have to say are. Fairly surprised because the fact that I have been great throughout just in the the knockout stage. He right. But you still you still thought about side will be populated by somebody else. That's fine. But we're past that now because we're at the semi finals. And I I think what you're left with is a pretty compelling funnel fourteenth here. I if Barscelona won't fear Liverpool live while they might fear. Aspects of Liverpool Liverpool fair aspects of Barcelona back game. But you just said that kind of nonchalantly Barscelona would be foolish to not fear Liverpool. I know I they absolutely do that from three's going to frighten them Macy's going to frighten live force. It's really Tito for for quite again, wouldn't like to have to actually call that one. 'cause I actually think Liverpool can be bashed on equally. I think Barcelona can do job on Liverpool. It's soul finally poise and beware. I mean the trip. There's so many angles for the Tottenham my ex game that we get to explore next week. Yeah. There's there's more to get into that. It's funny. Because Tottenham are loaded with former IS Erickson for Tongan outta viral Evanston Sanchez. So I mean, it's almost been a feeder club for Spurs over the last several seasons. Yeah. I have no idea how that one is going to go son is suspended for the first leg, which is absolutely massive fraud. Sherry Kane will I'm sure not be available for it for either one of of these upcoming matches. So you're looking at Lucas more for new your rent, a probably try power on the bench. I don't know. Maybe I mean, this is what they're dealing with right now with some of these injuries that they've been dealt even with that though. You know, they've battled through it. I don't I don't count Spurs out. I don't know who I would say is the favourite. Maybe I don't know. I was gonna say maybe I actually I it's pretty close to fifty fifty. It should be fascinating dilemma LA passes to parrot. It's the final moments. Parrot stands it up your rent. Just like they thought it would be man that was fun. Oh my goodness. You have a mail bag here caught off site pottage, Email dot com. That's your soccer pot on Twitter and caught off site ESPN on the Instagram's where I do some things at guys Graca sixty five we start off with this. This is for Andrew just have to say from one Spurs fan to another that this feels amazing not only is the greatest accomplishment of the Pacino era. This is the greatest Tottenham result of my lifetime. This doesn't happen often for us. Let's enjoy it. Cheers. There's one thing that that you do have to think about everyone has become myself included. Everyone has become so wrapped up in Tottenham inability to win a trophy during the Paci no era at Spurs. You can't help but see things like last night, and where Tottenham rat in this competition and realize like progress doesn't mean tain we can't always obsess about. Okay. They didn't win a League Cup. I mean do value that over what Tottenham are doing right now in the champions. I I have to say no-one swap last night. So you can have lifted leave cope against Bradford or whoever you would have been the last few years. I mean, it's an easy thing to say today on the heels of a game like that. I know I wasn't saying similar thing. When and went out of the League Cup. So, you know, whatever. But yeah, what they're doing right now on this stage. I yes, who who was it that sent that Email he's right in enjoy this don't obsess over trophies. Because sometimes there's more sports than just who wins a trophy. This is really fun Francisco Ramos. Your pot is grown on me. Like a weed since the second half of the European season. Grit stuff heard your last podcast and comments on the CAC who incident in Kansas City. Agreed. It's not canton esque, but the man. Hit was my Buddy's father. Oh, my God owner went ice surgery. Seeing Florida's in his vision and may have a concussion. Sure his intention wasn't there. But short he deserves an antibody for that. No. Well, yes. Yes. That that part is true right away. I didn't mean to I didn't mean to minimize what actually happened. Oh, I was just responding to what someone said on Twitter. The only reason that now I feel terrible that if it was taken the wrong way. No. I was the only reason we say it wasn't canton is because I don't can't look at a guy in the stands and assaulted him. Yeah. Kung FU kitten? I mean, this was I do believe for as bad as look I really do believe that Kaku intention was not necessarily to smash the ball into the crowd. I think he was trying to probably hit the end board just smashed the ball. You know, you don't always think about the intentions there, and he probably showed up, but ROY dolts matter, and what happened here was really bad. And he does deserve it. Particularly Francisco scene is you have contact with with this guy. Can you send our absolute best wishes, and I hope he hope he recovers quickly. Josh Lewis before we step into this miss. Ably. I'd like to say, I love the pod the energy and friendship between you topped with quality soccer news is unmatched. Here we go. The good stuff. Why don't all caps? Why don't you ever talk about how good the Seattle? Sounders have Bain it's always LA this in DC that it's disgusting. On how often you avoid the Sounders talk like it's a pleated. He misspelled plague. Nobody likes this Xouli sponsorship. Donna what that means. But all we all love the soccer. We're seeing I'm aware the previous pod was prior to the two Toronto Seattle game. However, they are playing very well at the moment. And if they are not mentioned in the next pot. I will be very upset which I'm aware is not your concern, but you can expect more emails while let's those emails in half. We did give Seattle some props on the last podcast. So he sent that Email before the last podcast, then I would tell them to listen to the podcast we did. But he. Yeah. But he didn't say send an Email in the intervening time saying might my passion has been say it probably. I mean, we did talk about the game. It probably wasn't enough to to satiate him. But. Whatever I don't know doing our best here. Key light Quincy. You'll JJ Andrew every time you all talk about Latin and the history of clubs club. Do you? Think of when you think is Latin. You guys do seem puzzled we were briefly puzzled I got I get homeboy was a mercenary Stiller's and all that. But I hear you both in Milan I've heard it more than once so JJ Cam down and don't say, Oklahoma. We said that one's go to dinner with a woman Irish accent. I mean, what I think I think he he's trying to say that my response would be Okuma on we camped down. We did say before why don't you get out more kind of thing? But definitely go for dinner with a woman. I'm not I'm not telling you. It's a good thing too. You guys never say PS. Gee, I am new soccer fan been watching since twenty seventeen issue. Our new so me bloomer. But it was wondering if that was you all forgetting that there's a rift or a spot that I missed my studies. Just curious. Also, the wraps were good Andrew came with energy. Like, a young meek mill JJ. Are the back flow, but Chaplin like a young fabulous. Love the pod. Love you to their key lie. He brings up a good point. So is that town. I I thought about it on a looked at the stats Latin was brilliant in Paris. And it was by a year because he spent four years there his long stay from twenty twelve to sixteen that was at the start of the PS g Moni movement owner and thirteen league goals in hundred twenty two games as pretty great across four seasons. So yeah, maybe we. We don't focus on on the French league. Sorry. We don't think about the French league enough. I guess and so maybe his time in France was a bit of a rumor to us but one hundred twenty two appearances there. Yeah. His leaks. Yeah. Yeah. His next closest being Inter Milan. With eighty eight. All right. Look the fact that it is I don't know. PS g. I I guess by default. That's because he spent the most time there, but it's not like he spent a generation with that club. And then bounced around later in his career he was in his prime. He was in a bunch of different places for a relatively similar amount of. No, not his okay, fine. You're right. PS G is if we have to assign an answer to this question PS G is the answer. But it is it is a question though. Yeah. James in Asheville, North Carolina. My name is James I live in Asheville, North Carolina. And I've recently bumped caught off site to the top of my weekly podcast, fair Lallas and mossy are still good don't know who those people are Martino and his producer roulette or good never heard of them when he's not sat in here with us. Don't be like that. The bearded one when he's not ranting about Marino. But you to have become a new goal standard. There's what I wanted to hear. And that's why Andy jayjay it's up to you. Go find some balls racists. The people who think it's funny to make monkey chance throw bananas and sing coot songs directed Mosala and get them on the show have conversation. Find out what's really going on their heads asked him about their childhoods. Ask them their opinions on race relations asked them if they give to dams about fines or stadium bands, ask them their favorite flavors of ice cream. Whatever takes just be careful not to give the racist too, high a pedestal. I've spot in my heart for cripples unbroken things but not for racist. I don't understand them. Help us learn about the races. So that we can anticipate their actions respond effectively and beat them. All right. So it's challenging question. And so I just taught about it. And I've nothing very long, but why we won't be doing that. What a appreciate the passion of which you speak. I think you're misguided urging people to have a conversation with other people on important issues is exactly what we should do as a society. But that is based on an intellectual acceptance that there is value or merit in hearing both sides of debate with racists on racism that Groening simply does not exist. Firstly those who abuse for example, Moi's again would not come on a show like ours. And if they did what is the point of hearing from them that they'd pink kyanne by virtue of just the color of skin is inferior worthy of abuse and degrading treatment. This is absolutely disgusting. And there's no debate on it. It is wrong should children on your ba- thought about inclusion diversity and the equality of people of all coders colds and orientational, that's a resounding. Yes. But if we've learned anything from the last two years of mass. Media. In public debate alone people platform to air garbage serves no purpose other than to debase public discourse. On the podcast. We will continue to highlight and help others to call it racism. But there is no way we will allow somebody to use our platform to simply amplify it. This. Both sides ISM does not extend to racists are Nazis. It. It's got to be that simple. They have nothing value to say they and the first amendment allows them to have free speech. Take it somewhere else. We're not having any conversation about race relations by doing that. Couldn't agree more. Well, said my friend, right? Is that it that's it from the mail bike caught offside potted gmaiLcom at CO soccer pot on Twitter. You can join us on the Instagram's if you wanna be hip kid caught off site still hip, or is that just now such an accepted thing that I mean, I don't know. Yeah. The cash they do a lot of it. I don't know. One of them is a KENDALL Jenner. I think is now the youngest billionaire youngest person to reach billionaire status seems like an impressive feat. Let's let's not go down that road card. I'm gonna go first here. JJ Alex McLeish? Oh, he's been sacked as manager of Scotland. After a brief stay took over in February of two thousand eighteen topped the group in the nation's lease right, secure them euro twenty twenty qualifying playoff place, but then lost to Kazhakstan three nil and follow that up with an unimpressive to nil win against San Marino. Now, here's I'm gonna read a snippet here from an Maxwell who's the chief of the Scottish FA? He said the decision to part company was not an easy one especially given Alex's status. As a Scottish hall of fame member he goes on goes on he says now ultimately the performances in results as a hole in the past year. And in particular, the man. Owner of the defeat in Kazakhstan did not indicate the progress expected with a squad we believed to be capable of cheating more. So I would ask you this. Yeah. Alex McLeish is firing on the back of by. Ian, Maxwell's own words here essentially, one defeat they topped their group in the in the nation's lead they won't away to beat Israel and one away at Albany, which are big results for Scotland. Is that is that a fair firing? Should he have been given a chance to I guess like teddy build up enough collateral with the nation's league group topping that he should be given a chance to make up for a couple. Recent unimpressive result resounding? Yes. For me. Okay. Yeah. And he has also good track record when he was previously in charge and he left to take job at Rangers. I don't think this is this instability is not going to help. It's knee-jerk reaction. I wonder if this is one of those moments where and granted they do have some players now Andy Robertson like there are some guys who play for Scotland who are who are good players yet. But I wonder if the fan. Base is maybe now look they should never lose to casick's stand. I don't care what the situation is on the team Scotland should be better than that. But I wonder if the fan base is getting carried away in in believing just how good this team is and in doing that putting you know extra pressure on a move being made. Like like, you said a knee jerk move being made to get this guy out because of that loss. Yeah. And also, the nature the nature of international football. They had a bad start in the nation's Eagan. They turned that round in the last three games. And did really well. I don't. I think it's mistake mistake. You have red cowards. This is moving on from the Argentinian fans are crazy part three thousand part two thousand nine hundred ninety nine was last week dead skeleton with zooming your relative to the rousing found that exumed his grandfather school to go to the obelisk to celebrate a River Plate fan got the QR code of a YouTube video showing river-plate goals against Baca juniors tattooed on his leg. Now. I might weird that I thought that was going to. It's well, it certainly doesn't rise to the level of of the skeleton. Here's the problem. Oh, YouTube took the video down. And no does not linked to anything. Why? What's the Hugh are co just what's the problem? Oh, you mean on his leg? Yes. Oh, so now it's so now he's going to have to try and upload video to that site. To get it back. Why did you take it down? Visit some kind of rights violation that that highlight AM been just the owner of the video of maybe the guy who runs the videos account it down. I don't think he linked it to his own account. No. Feels like a I hope didn't hate that one though. No me neither. It's kind of a cool idea. It's creative. But you gotta make sure it's your account with the goal, right? And you have the right to be in control because. Yeah, that's a problem. Now caught off sides man of the match is very specific JJ does South Korean football players who played on Wednesday. Now, we all know what Sunjay and scoring twice for Spurs in their Champions League victory over man city, but he was not the only South Korean with a big day on Wednesday. You wouldn't have pegged game against L AFC is a spot for Vancouver Whitecaps to get their first win. But that's exactly what happened yesterday when they beat LA FC one mill thanks to a twenty seven th minute goal from in bomb. Hong also of South Korea. Here is what that sounded like on ESPN type down the life space. It could get round the back shop. Comes back. From PC. Late in against say. With his Cova. This is first goal for Vancouver. And he's actually been a good player for the season. So he I would say he's deserving of that it has been a difficult. Go of it. So far for Vancouver. That is their first win in seven games. And it comes against an unlikely opponent in L A FC so good for Vancouver. Getting their first win. Good for inbound. Hong scoring his first MLS goal. Twenty two years old South Korea national team player. It's awesome. Somebody to keep an eye on my man of the match is men of yesteryear who again are going to get forgotten a little bit in the wash year. So a lot of Spurs fans believe that this is the first time that they've made the European Cup semi final. It is not in fact, Bill Nicholson and the Tottenham team of nineteen sixty two they made the European Cup semi final against Ben fica and took them quite close. This was the second leg from Pathan user u at White Hart Lane, and okay, they didn't win, but they brought they got the semi final. And they took the eventual champions who were. Insight right to the wire. Lane. Then fica otas of the European Cup glass out in 'em at the officials and any Slough lots to talk goods biz belittle that was the question sixty thousand fans out themselves as the white Shuki taught them heroes dome. The Portuguese go area Jimmy Greaves gay goal. Tepa parameter touch the ball already to goes down in the semifinal leg. At Lisbon does need to win this match by a marginal tree to be in the final. Peter Jackson on that. If he can like they shall not grow old those videos could do wonders for soccer prior to the year nineteen sixty five. Yeah. I mean that was probably compared to the Spurs team. No. That was probably one of the last best burst team was certainly one the one that won the lead. Yeah. With Greaves and Blanchflower double. Yeah. Bobby Smith will Greer's wasn't there for the double. Right. Was he not was he did he sign the following? Oh, I don't know. Maybe you might be right. 'cause check that he played in that game. Yes. The footage is pretty cool. Yeah. And I love Pat, then usually they just use the same voice guy, obviously for everything. So he's not I wonder well the goal in the goal area Portuguese goal area. Bogus after the right? Look at Bobby Smith. Look at his thick cops as they run down the line. That's how it was taught in broadcasting school. Oh, there was a BBC voice on. I'm sure there was a path unusual voice. So you know, the way the BBC is taken in all sorts of accents. Now, you hear them New York share Irish all sorts before it was Hello. You're welcome to the BBC tonight on the BBC. We'll have to shipping forecast. Very important forecast. Don't miss the shipping forecast. Well, hey, this was a lot of fun. Can you indulge me? Can I listen to this one more time because this is a moment that I'm just gonna remember every part of it for the rest of my? Zone goal has an argument Wairoa is side Dona wetter. In that situation. Is there a possible offside with Wairoa goodness? The. The cook. Goes sure I'll just never forget that feeling of bring my head off the basement door. I've one more thing to say, yeah, it's fitting that your most memorable moment as Tottenham supporter is a moment in which no football was happy. That is very funny semifinals it's going to be so much fun. Hey to you. I say I'll see tick. Listening to cod off side soccer podcast.

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Are Tottenham Hotspur Genuine Premier League Title Contenders?

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Are Tottenham Hotspur Genuine Premier League Title Contenders?

"How far off Tottenham Hotspurs from being genuine premier league title contenders after six games. They said two points off the top spot given their league leading goal differences of plus. They would be first had they won either of their home matches in which they dominated but drop point the one one draw against Newcastle that is taught me didn't get anything in the paper straight to the office with three points out of this one terminated procedures and the three three calculation at the hands of West Henry three weeks later Chris well again, Take it away by wings. Original head Sensational for The Sensational doing terrible taking points away with us. That's just crazy wanted in the first quarter. Now, they've lost it in the last ten minutes the Western bench of absolutely the same thing. They could have woken up in mid-table yesterday morning had Harry Kane not clear Jane Krakowski header off the line and Mondays one zero win over firmly such as a fine margins at this stage of the season the state wage Tottenham one and can smoke outdoors and an interview with Sky Sports of doing something special this season. I think it was just a stage where we've we've been so close for so many years. Now a lot of us have been together for four or five years. I think the additions this decision have been great just have around the change room on the training pitch just more leaders in the team. And yeah, we just all getting a bit more experience and we know with the team we've got and the players we've got we We can do something special. So just that took governess. Just making sure every game like when you come to places like this you're fighting for for every point every result with no really a couple couple of points slip last minute goals and off. Obviously, the West Ham game was a disappointment but it's a bounce back and get grind these results out. These are the ones that count coming into the season. So yeah, we just got disabilities. Okay. So cavernous cuz it's going to be a long long as was reflected a growing sense that Tottenham should at least be in the conversation when assessing who could win the Premier League title following the interview with Kane Gary Neville said he expect this first to finish in the top four, but that he didn't think they had enough to tie. Those are they can win the league I really don't but I think because Josie Marino's that there'll be an element of him thinking he can do the unthinkable and they have got some unbelievable attacking players and it is a strange season, but that don't think they can win the league just purely because they haven't done before at that game tonight could have sworn off. Wake, you know burn the credit score that from that corner in another week and we've been in a situation there has been talk about two feet. But I think that it was finished third would be unbelievable. So ahead of you know asked all mention a sofa top them. I never thought they would be in that position. So for me, I didn't have talking to my top four oil that you did at the start the season when now including them within our top floor, so that's a massive shift of where we've been out only four of you represent a consensus of the spirit a good team, but one lacking the required quality or consistency to match Manchester City and Liverpool over scratch beneath the surface and there are Hallmark of a title-winning team. They have the credentials to push for a top spot or are we getting carried away after a good result from first-past-the-post? I remember Muhammad and in this episode will look at what Tottenham need to do to become tide chut pictures. Trying to set up a restaurant and lounge and were you thinking like video games and blinking off and everything. Let me know like in a meeting at 2 in the morning drinking make time horrendous time depending on what happened Sunday. Let's start with tight defense and grinding out wins. These are the areas where Spurs have really struggled over the last year or so and why Mondays results was so precious all fit go into the Twin planets song turn it into the net. I'm told them what's going to take the leadership more. This is the kind of match with all the ingredients to lose Point head coach Jose Mourinho said afterwards of the scratchy victory that was squarely in the winning mold with Stoke City long since relegated Burnley away on a cold weekday evening has become the gold standard for craziness and the Spurs came through the test impressively yesterday, especially after the defensive Horror Show against West Ham and their previous Premier League match regarding the defense Spurs had not kept a clean sheet in their previous ten matches before their 3-0 Europa League went over last month and made a good run into the channel will try and get it into Lucas Moura the boiling perfect and the Finish is turn from Lucas Moura a superbly constructed goal to blame assessed on his home tournament first debut and firstly Bojangles in L. It's Gareth Bale intermittent issues on gold another counter-attack from Spurs, bring some ago Gareth Bale heavily involved. Options are driving around the back post to an issue is headed down. It's a brilliant header and saunas made it drink keeping two in a row was a big relief, even if it was just the start rather than prove their defense. It's fixed aside from numbers. It was heartening to see that outer form Toby dealing so well with bearnaise opposing strike force of Chris Wood and Ashley Burns sticking out tough away when that internal staple of Champions has not been Spurs forte in the recent times in 2019. They went almost ten months without winning away in the Premier League between February and the end of November and register only five or from 26 on the road and all competitions last season. So it constitutes a genuine Improvement to have already registered three away wins from three matches this season only the second time in Premier League era off Spurs have won three straight away games. The last time Spurs manage the 1-0 away win in the league was almost two years ago when Hogan void header defeated Crystal Palace name. Hurry up 2018. Let's move on to the second one beating top clubs. This remains one of the unknowns this season given that Spurs are yet to play Manchester City Liverpool or Chelsea and the league the six one win away and Manchester United last season third-place team was hugely encouraging but when that Liverpool or men City would feel even more significant Spurs record and big matches has been meddling under Mourinho since he took over in November. They record in primarily games against last season stuff or clubbed go like this unfortunate went over City defeat by Liverpool two defeats by Chelsea and a loss I draw and win against the united in other words black 712 drawn one last for the Run of games and November and December that takes Manchester City at home Chelsea away Arsenal at home Liverpool away Leicester city at home in the space of six matches will give us a good indication of how seriously we should be taking the idea of Spurs title challenges as it stands. It's worth remembering that five. I was first six opponents so far this season finished 10th or lower in the 2019-2020 season. Okay. Next is Squad Deb. Tottenham's when yesterday came without bail Sergio Delhi Steven, Carlos Winx surge or Sanchez playing a minute in the second half Mourinho could call on Erik Lamela and drove off from the substitutes bench to help swing the game in their favor in short Spurs have our scary amount of depth in their squad allowing them to comfortably compete in the Premier League and Europa League for the next month will especially be valuable given the congested fixture calendar the season you would back a second string spur site to push or even beat a Liverpool or Manchester City's equivalent. Okay. Next Thursday is star quality and Trophy winning pedigree. In Canaan, son who combined again for the winter at Turf Moor Spurs have the Premier League's to most informed players off a little bit more cash down a lovely backheel song surging and storing tree over Burnley. It wasn't pretty but in the end the Sonic Kane combination proved to be worth three points, once again now world class and already have 13 goals tennis has combined in the Premier League decision. No means it's incredible School for Girls in the Premier League is long as I'll be gone a obviously a score four goals, but without the team and with this guy for amazing assistance calling goal. I think he deserves one of the match for me today. Yeah. Definitely. We spoke before the game in the There's going to be space in behind and we're still in talking to Sonny about getting in there if I drop deep and and yeah, one of the parties I didn't even really look I knew we'd be running behind. So it's just that put it in the space so long connection. We've obviously been building up for a while now, so it was nice to see him finish him off and obviously proud of him for his first batch with an option for calling Bill once he is fully up to speed and Spurs have a terrifying front light in the Outfield appear less. Hello all have potential to be really Premier League players, but they haven't performed consistently enough to be considered at that level yet defensively there a little way of wiggling is the only one who could have a shot of making it into the Premier League best eleven, but he is still an experienced level also suggested the fact that Spurs have never won a premier league will count against him in his true that there is a lack of Trophy winning pedigree in the squad designing a bell helps this in regard as does the man in The Dugout with three Premier League titles and a stack of trophies to his name never did admit them are in his presence wage. Possible despers could pull off something Unthinkable. When asked by the athletic whether his team were in the title fight wherein you said, I will never consider ourselves title considers. I assume that every match we play doesn't matter where or against who we can go to a last day would have to be in the right place at the right time. A little luck does have to play a role winning the Premier League this season who would make offers the most surprising champions in the divisions history apart from Lester's in 2016 for a surprise like that to happen a team need a lot to go their way unless jurors case. It was the coincidental off current crisis of both Manchester club and Chelsea provided the opening Arsenal and Spurs then stuttered at a vital moments to leave Claudio Reyna site without a serious Challenger for Spurs that. Declined reps City alongside the unfortunate injury to Liverpool's Virgil Van dijk could be the Catalyst added to that is effective playing matches behind closed doors, which may end up being overstated but could be a factor of birth. In the least volatile start to the season thus far it's vulnerability that every team has shown combined with tottenham's thrilling attacking play that makes a title push feel genuinely possible six games into the season. It is too early to say whether Spurs should be considered title Challengers, but Monday's result, if not, the performance certainly offered encouragement and hearing Kane saying afterwards Thursday. We need to take each game as it comes certainly make Spurs sound like a stereotypical title Challengers if they are to live up to that description picking up six points from the next two matches that can write in an office permit is certainly a prerequisite before that horn in November and December. Well, that's it for episode today. 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LADS#81 - Saturday Special featuring Jake from PhillyBlues and Bryan from PhillySpurs

Loud Americans Discussing Soccer

1:24:21 hr | 3 years ago

LADS#81 - Saturday Special featuring Jake from PhillyBlues and Bryan from PhillySpurs

"Hey, guys today is September twenty nine twenty eighteen Saturday morning. Manchester United has just lost a West Ham. I just got off the phone of Marin. He is crying, but it's going to be fine. That's why we have alcohol. I want to give you guys a little heads up about this episode. I'll be interviewing Jake from the Philly blues have a really fun interviewed him at Tiernan nog of bar and grill Irish bar and grill and center city. Philadelphia, great location. I'm heading there actually right after this. Go watch Chelsea Liverpool game with all those guys and also interview with Brian who's the president of Phillies Spurs. So you know, I was in enemy territory as arsenal fan of the podcasts of overly fund interviews set the time. If you don't wanna listen to one or the other, I recommend listening to both. I'm trying to this whole series where I'm trying to get people to know like where is the American soccer culture, how is in where to go and Philadelphia or really like what's it all about? You know, get some like exposure. I do have one thing though. You can skip this. Okay. This is just me. I wanted to say something because it's near dear to my heart. So if you wanna press plus, fifteen plus fifteen, skip this next next minute. Go ahead so September is suicide prevention month. I'm someone. Who I've friends and family who've been affected by depression, major depression. I just want to say like if you have someone in the, I'm not trying to bum you guys out. I'm not trying to fucking bomb any of you guys out. I know it's like by just had to say something. Depression to something as though you're being slowly rolled over by steamroller and there's no escape. Please know that this is like any disease. The best way to describe. It was yo, like if your arms like cut off, you need to go get treatment. And that's how I think about major depression like you can die. So. All right, that's enough bum you out. I just want to say, if you see someone go out, help them reach out, do something, you know, just don't think there and think, oh, like, should I should. I not just take some action, everyone matters. So. All right, not our vows grade by guys. No, no. No. Welcome to out Americans Cussing soccer podcasts or lads podcast. I am in tier the nog Irish bar. We just got some shots getting into this. Yes, I am joined by Jake from says Philly, blue sedan, Philly. Blues, early blues, Chelsea supporters Philadelphia. So Jake, how you doing? I'm doing good, but cabinets? Yeah. Tell me about yourself. How'd you get into soccer so far? You a soccer football guy always got ask that question. You know, it depends. I grew up playing soccer hanging out here and hanging on my English boys over the last decade or two. I call it football as well, so. Okay. All right. So I was gonna make sure because some people really know like I viewed the man city guy. He's actually from Manchester English. He has to call it football football, I, it's a bad look. You know what I'm saying? So there's tons of stories as to how the acronym started and whatnot it we're in the states, we call it soccer. Okay. Well, so tell me about the city blues. How'd you guys like? Why did you pick tear into nog like how long's it been going on? So it's interesting. The Philly blues incorporated originally. Backing ninety? Nine hundred ninety six ninety seven dickens in. Okay. That's originally where we started watching games guy, but the Bill Jordan who's real skinny. English guy started just started to like show up and like started making t shirts and stuff. And we had a bunch of guys up on like four or five guys at the timeframe and hateful, yeah. Yeah. Handful guys would go down there and hang out. Watch the matches. So that's, that's that's the original Philly blues. Unlike a friend of mine over here Tamie we started to get involved back in like two thousand two thousand two thousand one. And that's really when the clubs started the the, the support has started picking up some some steam that we got like maybe like fifteen twenty guys back today. And this is before Brahma. Vici was. Come money. So you Chelsea fan before? Yeah, I, I. So I started. I started becoming a Chelsea fan in highschool at the time frame. One of my girlfriends her father had one of those old school, satellite TV dishes back into his house, and he could pull down the English broadcast signals like the BBC and whatnot, and like we go over there and just part of my football team, we all live in the same same same area. We'd go and just hang out there and just watch random games because really back in the day, like you really like duly team that'd be on is like Manchester United, so it. Yeah. So you're, you're grabbing the BBC feed and air motor down from satellite. And at that time frame like ninety six, that's when Chelsea was like on that pretty big. FA Cup run. Zola had just come to the club, their net old school cores. First off, I miss the old jersey so much. There's so sick. The lion on the? Yes. Right, but going. So it was funny back then like I didn't have any allegiance to any type of club because like internet was in its infancy. You really didn't get much information. And if you did get information, the only channel that had football back on that day would like PVS and you would see like maybe like two or three week old German game or an FA Cup game. Like I remember back in the day, like kind of win the Premier League. Start at ninety two. Kind of knowing what Blackburn was dealing with Alan share of the Rovers guy. That's a throwback I love. Absolutely. So you get like snippets of like highlights or games like, I remember when Wimbledon went on their FA Cup, Ron like, oh my God. Is, you know. What's the guy from mean machine? Oh. Oh. Grab Paul debt grab gas going nuts, Chelsea to create his name that I it honestly bad radio by us right now. I just, you know, I'll put it in the link, put in the link put again, Vinnie Jones. Sorry. It was Vinnie Jones. Thank you. Doc to smoke about. That's a better analogy growing up, like just catching glimpses of football back then and myself growing up as a kid, Irish Catholic background, and my dad hated soccer, but that sounds very Irish Catholic. We, we grew up in an area in the northeast that was like lighthouse make like, you know, we're the bars, Steve. The bar family grew up like soccer had been played. My dad just hated it and he was a basketball player, but I was shit. Basketball player was really good at football when I got out there, you want to call. So. All right. Well, that's awesome. So and it's you guys are officially recognized, right? Because I've had it with the other supporter clubs have gone to Man United their unofficial yet main city. Their official. Yeah, so so right now with the way the club works on the secretary Baratt around pod is the president. So when we originally incorporated back in the early two, thousands, the club was hanging out at Tim's in which was the pretty much only place you could watch soccer back in the day. Then in and around, like the early two, thousands tier Tanag opened up a couple of other soccer specific. You know, you had Fidel open up our club kind of fell that away side and. Guys got married guys, guys were in town have left on back to you k. people got married and we kind of fell apart a little bit. Then Garad in two thousand ten incorporated here at the nog. So he incorporated with Chelsea with the help of Mike neat and some of the guys New York loose. So the New York lose the biggest Chelsea fan club on the east coast. They help us incorporate it back in the two, thousands. And when are when that kind of fell aside guys got busy with like getting married and having kids and all this stuff Baratz a little bit younger than me. He came in and kind of filled that void started the Philly blues. What we are now today at Turner, knock. And that was like I said around, like they started incorporating like started getting involved two thousand six, two thousand seven, but officially incorporated with with the club itself in two thousand ten. Okay. Well, you picked a good time. Two thousand six. It's like really getting things going. So since then you guys are like the patriots or I always call you guys the Blackhawks every. Other year. I'm like, they're probably gonna win it. So. Yeah, you know, we you get a as a Chelsea fan, like there's a couple of things you you. You're constantly thrown at us like, oh, you know, you're only fan because Abramovich came in, you know, you guys fire your coach every other year. I was like, yeah, but we also won the primarily five times on the last, what twenty nine years. Twelve years thing is city man city is taking all the heat from you, so you so you gotta think like they're you're there, the new scapegoat there, the new oil money where envisages Russian money. I don't honestly don't know what his industry is so that that's a whole other podcast as gas and oil as well. Yeah, with a minor bit of mafioso thrown on top of that, do I'll get the more bound vich talk, but that guy's a wizard. I don't know how he picks a new manager every year and they just win the just win baby year. So I mean, we, we kind of have some. We have some interesting ties to the club, and then I brought myself have hung out with Neil Barnette and people in hierarchy, and it's it. He's cutthroat. I mean, look, you don't do a job. You don't win to get you get the sack. I was like, no offence. I don't. You said your arsenal tattoo, but it's like. As much as I respect arsenal, they probably should have gotten rid of anger, four or five hours ago. I've been on the winger Al camp. I'm gonna. I respect them as a manager. And as I referee, I still play the guy changed the game when he came in the early nineties. He absolutely changed the way that football's played. But you know the last five, six years. It made like it's almost kind of like watching Marino now at United. It's it's looking at me in there. It's getting game is passed both those guys by. Yeah, I mean, I was done with winger back when we like ship pumped. Like ask the Bill of four, nil and FA Cup. I was like, all right, go out on a high. No, just and then when he beat Chelsea net pickup, no fence, I don't mean to bring up bad, but I was just like, all right, this is it. He's going to finally, and you know, so you just don't know. You don't know when it's ups for some people, they think it's going to go on forever. So how is that fear here? How how big is it? Now? How big is the city blues when Philip Louis, Billy blue Star Wars. So on weekends, on average, we get like twenty five thirty forty people out depending depending on the games is mid week. It can be kind of tough because you know getting people out of the office. I am lucky enough to work two blocks away and been at my company for fourteen years. So. I can come out here. Yeah. Whatever on six and walnut. So I just like ran over here. It's cooked possible. I was like, I gotta go do an interview. I work at a law firm, so they're like, is everything done? I'm like, yeah, sure. Yeah. So that's awesome though. And then like, so how's the League Cup today? Like pretty good turnout? Yeah. I mean, we have like ten, ten, twelve guys come out today for, you know. The League Cup match, which was Liverpool? I mean it. Yeah. Yeah, you're playing Brentford like arsenal. Who are we? We're not playing Brentford or we weren't playing Darby either. Yes. Fair. Well, you didn't lose the Darby. That's true. Darby super Frank pulled went out over over Josie. So you went from dickens to hear what was the choice on that just because it was just another Cy it was bigger or so it was interesting. Like I said, like back in the day, like the only real game to watch soccer back in Philly around that timeframe was dickens in because they had this Tanta license, which is fairly expensive back then and to watch a game back then before, like I said, Tiernan I think it was like two thousand six, two thousand seven for does like two thousand four. Those guys, you had to pay like five to ten dollars sometimes twenty dollars to to watch a match back then. Oh, citizen was like a premium. Yeah, yeah. So like dog now they have the rugby on would watch rugby match here. Like if you say you're here for the rugby, they charge you five dollars at the door. Oh, yeah. Okay. So it depends. Like you know, like back in its infancy like there was no railway watching it. Like, I mean, I remember two thousand two dickens in which is dickens, which became darkhorse, which then got bought out by Kavanagh's which is now cavenaugh south street. Okay. They used to have a every year. They'd have a FA Cup, final breakfast, and it was a fifty dollar buffet and you get to get to watch the match and pay for beer inside. So that's a pretty good deal a deal. It wasn't a bit. I mean. But if you ain't anything about dickens dickens's like very, very at the timeframe, blood still is very boxed out like yet different horrors. Okay. For different seating, he like they're yes, they're very much like an English dart dart league place, but they only place to to watch soccer. Like I remember back in the day being there and we were sitting down, it's like a Saturday morning. Chelsea was. The early match and I'm looking at my one friend. I'm like, dude, is that. Darren Aaronson sitting at the bar so Tottenham striker darn Aronson. Yeah, no, I just got a wide item like, yeah, go one hundred ten was hanging out at dick in what? Yes, that's so he was of course injured for Tottenham and he was having his niece scope. Yeah. No, that makes sense at Jeff. So these guys, they, they'd come over and they knew the only English pub in the area was dickens in like, do you get like Chelsea supporters from all around the country? If they're traveling to Philadelphia, there's ads. Will they come over to the Philly blues? Yeah. So what's kind of cool right now, Chelsea launched this new app called the fifth shed. And in that they like link your GPS location to supporters clubs. So we they had originally, they had launched this like in beta, like a year year and a half ago, and we're working with the club to get our information set up there and make sure we, you know, hey, we got a got a nude or got a message. We can reach out to people like Chelsea. The website does a good job of like saying, hey, you know, here are the locations of all the supporters clubs. Here's our information. Here's our Twitter, Facebook, and you'll get, you'll get people to reach out to you that. But you know everybody having their phone in their app days like this, this apps pretty cool and that boom, you could put a message up there. We'll get her notification jump on there and respond to people and get them to the pub. Wow, that's crazy how they make it so connected nowadays. That's, you know, we were just talking about how you had to go, what's it called back in the nineties. They deem Joe the games now, it's like, yeah, we'll tell you where exactly now to go. To go back in the ninety s if you're trying to Google like Chelsea fan club in the United States, there there wasn't what they're really wasn't. No. All right. So I have one more question before we start talking some footie socks. I'm Chelsea. Have you ever had people come here and be like, oh, Philly. Blues. Like this is a self help like club like people ever come here being like, oh, I'm here for depression. I mean, you know, it's I wouldn't say that. I mean, we've. There was a couple of years there where Abe was like arrested development when he's like going to the blue man group like, oh, this is not. This is not the same. This is not not try made though. We, we've had a decent rep in town if of, no. I mean, I just kid, I can't. So let's move on to Chelsea, obviously. So what are your expectations for the season? I feel like you guys ever year. So when the league. So you're coming off. Two years ago of Antonio Conte. So expectations for the season. So I mean, right now, I think any any any Chelsea fan with any type of wherewithal and looking at the league would think, hey, finished up for secure Champions League and make sure you can. We can occur, you can say, whatever you want. Jake. Curse fuck and make sure we make Champions League. So you re signed hazard because he just got a fucking great, golden egg against Liverpool. That's the kind of intensity that I wanted Jake. Yeah. I I actually did not have Chelsea my top four, but I didn't have arsenal either that makes you feel better. So, but but now, sorry. I mean, you've got to be loving. Sorry right now him in him and Instagram. So well, his, his tiny, tiny, tiny seventy. It's us on today. He was relaxed when you as well. I don't know. I thirty minutes at a game. We look good in the last twenty five thirty. He's gonna think Sturgis going to score. No one is going to score star. He scores against Chelsea. He'd get rid of them that come back. They score against, you know, I mean, look, I mean, I think any any fan has to go into this season saying, we're changing the philosophy of the system dramatically going from a back a back, five to a four, four, three, three, or four, four, two, four, four, two switches up. I think the goal this season just has to be, hey, if you win the league great, but finished up for a make sure you can attract top talent because arguably, you know. Row matured comes calling and hazard. Didn't leave. Yeah. Courtois is a bit of a different situation because he has. He does have two young children that live in Spain that are with his ex, his ex partner, any. I could understand somebody leaving to go there and so you were okay with the Courtois departures? Yes and no. I was okay. Everybody any anybody that was in the wherewithal knew he was gonna go at some point. He was gonna. He was going to go to Madrid. The question was when and where and. You know, he pissed off a lot of athletic, oh fans because the first eight he got on that Real Madrid people yet. He was kissing it and athletic goes like they were. They we- they got a good old block is pretty good. So this is a good. I mean, look. I understand it was his representatives pushing that that move through or maybe pushing through. He hasn't supplant Nava says the number one right now. I mean, he he will. Yeah, but I mean, he's goalkeeper of the year. So yeah, I mean eight, a great roads which is so bizarre because it was like the Heo was in the eleven, but he won't go keep your of the year. And like I've always said her Courtois top-five goalkeeper I don't know. So I, I don't know if I were considered a number one. So for my perspective, Krotov is like the amalgam of all the top five right now. Like I think or Twas probably like on his day. You know, like one a one b, one say like if manual Noyer's healthy, you know, he's probably the best sweeper caper in the world to, hey, is by far the best shot stopper is up there as well. You reece's he's a mental mistake waiting to happen to give the ball up. You don't really doesn't. Do I mean outside of fluke? Charlie, Charlie Adams goal a couple years ago because he ever live with the Hathaway of the halfway. Yeah, we're we're, he got caught out of position, but I was actually studying studied abroad in Swansea, but I was actually in London during that game, and I was watching in a pub and I went Charlie fucking out of it was that was unreal. I mean, it just that's going Adams's on talksport a lot over the UK and I he was on after that game. Like doing interviews when he goes, oh yeah, we saw we saw it in the video. He's like, trois likes to come out a little bit too much. And we thought if I had a chance that if I'm behind the why of why the hell not just give it. I mean, Adams has got a great left foot, a clocked it. So he's also really ugly. We talk about, he's not. He's not the best looking man Scottish not gonna. Do I mean it just genetic Arto mice. Got his friends. Yeah. No, it's fine. We, we don't really. We have more Irish. I think to appreciate that. I did have a question, so your fantasy? Sorry. And I like his tactics guessing back and forth. Like I feel like this weekend against West Ham, kinda got exposed where you can pass it back and forth a lot, but you gotta take some shots. You gotta get it up to your front three. So I mean what? What you could see West Ham at certain points in time, we're seating possession to Chelsea and letting them. Letting them have have have have the ball in the front, half the field. So the way, sorry wants to play. He wants to play triangle football. Similar to what Barcelona does, TAC, toe type stuff, pep Guardiola, headquarters. I think sometimes you kinda like, yes, I understand you wanna play that system that might well work in the in the Champions League. You know, your Roper teams went to actually play play, tacking football, but West Ham was struggling. They had just gotten three points. They didn't want to get blown off the pitch. So they sat back and sometimes you do need to play route one football to kind of open up the field. And I know like for west Sam, they're literally playing for everything Pellegrini's on the hotseat already absolute. So for them, I mean. And plus they don't even have their stars. What's it called Arnautovic as out on under which was injured, had a any. So I mean, it's it's weird like in soccer, like a draws a draw, but the draw feels more of a loss for Chelsea at this point. I mean, you only you're only two points off Liverpool now you haven't lost yet. So it's like I've been lost yet, but you also have to imagine like I have a bunch of friends, friends that are west fans, and they're just giving me stick all the week going up. Like we're top of the table. We're going to win. We're gonna take the three points on, like you guys are going to be sitting back. You're not gonna. You're gonna. You're going to try to hit us on the break, and that's that's what they do. Will Leicester City trick the one the league? Yes. I will say I may point to the implicit first-half mcallen Tonio had hasn't played much this year probably should have scored one goal or maybe even two and Chelsea. I mean, look Maradas I don't. I don't know what to say about mirada right now. I actually have a lot of questions about morale. I mean busts, can I say bust? I mean that's harsh. All right. All right. At seventy million pounds. Yeah, at this point. Yeah, it's it's Jerusha better signing. We'll drew links up better with with with hazard. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like Jerusalem. The World Cup was phenomenal. Didn't score fucking goal. But I mean those shots on target without scoring a goal ever in a World Cup just that's that's such a crazy saver Mestre. Jerus- hold up play to be able to deliver out to the wings like William and hazardous nominal. I mean, that's what happened with me. Bobby ingredient. And you know what I mean? So, but I feel like you need, we brought this up. You need that Diego cost who terrorized to my arsenal for years. Like literally the bane of my existence. The past like three or four years has been Daego Kosta the elephant man and today, Diego cost is like an old school like an h. l. player Matthew Barnaby who played for those news. Yeah, everybody, everybody fucking hated him, but you love him on your team. Now. Problem is Barnaby didn't scores much. That's cost the cost us lethal if you give them a shot the box. I mean, if I'm a centreback like I'm terrified. Yeah, CASA, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to have a bad day like, no, I'm going to have a rough day and I feel like you're missing that Ed. So the the champion's league semifinal in two thousand and twelve twelve, twelve thirteen where we were playing athlete at the bridge cost is on that team, and he was just running ramp just just just just pushing everybody pushing k. hill. And Terry, all over the field at one point towards the end of the game before they got the penalty to have cost the score like him in him and Terry, like face up against each other and they're like, yeah, you know. Say we want to say about John Terry. He's he's pretty hard hard on nails, dude, and cost ahead. No problem. Just looking them into phase and putting his head NBA like, fuck you, do let's go all right now. I mean, I mean, say what you wanna Parana MRs Murata doesn't have that in his locker neurotic. He's very, very pacey almost like very beta esque. You know what I mean? One thing. I will say Maradas much better than the air than cost to ever was. Oh yeah. By me, CASA, which is not the guy down, it'd be like there there wouldn't have to knock you down at stamp you on the foot. Yeah, CASA would have the jump because the guy had already on the ground, so, but I've have heard rumors about meter vich since he's doing so well that that's big rumor coming down. You might be coming over to Chelsea. You know, it's speculation right now is there. Oh, here's another question. Who's been your favorite signing over the summer? Like Dzhergenia kovic. I really like kovic competition is playing really well. You know, I had seen a bit of him, but he's been off and on at Rama drid. But you have to say, junior the way the first couple of games when I saw them play the preseason all wasn't quite sold on the move. He's so silky smooth with the ball in front of the top in front of the back four. Hilarious. He liked calms the midfield calms midfield down when he allows allows Kante to kind of people beginning contests from stick about his funnel. Final ball on his final pass, but he allows continent it further up the field and actually close in on people and do what he did in LeicesteR. Like if you go back in the day, when watched Lester when they had drink water drink, water was vision. Sorry, I love sitting sitting sitting down low hitting long balls to Vardi and Kante was the guy further afield breaking the press, breaking the ball out of out of the front on the breast to allow that stuff to happen. So it kinda suits contests position. Now. My thing about neglect Conti is he's like one of my, he's probably up there like current favorite players. Kante is nothing but grit and just so hard working like it's like, I remember the quote from hazard. It's like it's like, yes, like four lungs or something. He's like there's two of them on the pitch at one time just to the quote, was to people on the pitch of the same because like it's he's so overwhelming. You know what I mean? Like you're saying, like, Danny drink water. Also the most English name of all time, like being able to just be like, all right, Leconte to sit up a little higher and he'll just take the ball away. I mean, like I remember the what's it called arsenal game. The guy two years ago when he guys when the league just bullied oats sill entire time. I mean shout out to being a ghost, which is nothing new county that day really made him look bad in Nagoya Kante just such a humble, essentially the whole World Cup all the chances stuff such a humble guy, dude, still drives a mini Cooper and Iraq's up to France training. But he tries a mini Cooper treasure mini Cooper. He's still driving a mini Cooper Iraq's up the training for France on a bicycle. Wow, that Billy, we're gonna come back and there's going to be all these crazy stories. And I'm like, Yep, that sounds like Nagoya context. I mean the funny story, two weeks ago before the national break, he was trying to take a train back to France. Miss the train, went to a mosque and was just hanging out the Moscow guys. It was an arsenal fan goes, hey, we're going to go back to my house and just play some faith and you wanna come because. Yeah, nice hanging out with some Randazzo that and Marcel blows just sitting there like smiling in the car in the corner, and they're playing like it's like, hey, I just won the World Cup. I've won two primarily on the FA Cup. I did the impossible of lesser city and then went back to back. I mean, the guys had such an MP player of the year, the guy the that one, everything. Now people eleven. I mean, yeah. So who's your current favorite player on Chelsea? You'd have to say. Well, my favorite of all time would definitely be Franklin part. My little Boston terrier is definitely named after him. Frankie shutout I thought you'd go with the lamps, but I like Frankie Frankie. Absolutely. Actually a perfect name for Boston. Terrier it is. It really is. And as much of the West End fans wanna call him fat. Frank. My dog is rather lean. He's a lean, twenty pound Paulsen tear thick, thick. Okay. Now he's, he's got a thick chess through the mid section. Favorite player right now is definitely hazard. I mean, guys skates on the pitch as you can't knock them off the ball guys. Unbelievable, it just turning people and just like perfect example. Today we were, you know, I don't wanna say we're predestine, but we didn't really have that killer killer instinct them. And the final third has comes on the pitch, not makes two people to score the final goal against Liverpool and just put as put some aside. Just classic hazard clearly is just classic hazard. You know, it's funny like you could see. Like, like I said before I referee and I referee all kind of different ages from over thirty two, you ten, you nine Jordan Henderson. At one point today, you could see hazard was getting into his head Henderson committed. Committed a couple fouls that were, you know. A referee could have let it go or call it be could see hazard was Begum Begum Begum and eventually just pulled him in. Try to blow pass them and Henderson just came in with this nasty tackle, and it's just like still couldn't get the ball from, and hazardous is like, all right, boom, done. Yellowcard, you're, you're out. You're not gonna get nothing like there's like, you can't you. You. No longer can take that type of challenge on may the rest of the game. Because if you do the referee's command and Kevin friends going to give you the red card, I feel like a lot of teams there tactic is like we need to shutdown hazard and he just gets bullied like the beginning of well, and they're trying to set a tone. I mean, I mean, it is amazing how well he can hold possession hold the ball up and it's like the as even though he's a little dude, he's Superstock easy. He's got, he's he's got a wide berth on. He sticks at asset and you just can't get around that ass. I mean, you got, I mean, I it's, it's, I mean. He cuts it the way he cuts in from the left. It's very like, I don't know how he does with his art, very Renou to s that cut in when he likes sweeps in on my, he's going for goal like he's not passing like when I see that and it's and he scores like. I was kind of upset with the people Levin like that's a law, wasn't in there and hazard was, but like this season for hazard right now. He's, I mean, we're talking. I mean, we're, we're in week six approaching week. Seven like he's got to be in conversation for PFA player of the year already. Yeah. I mean, now he's in six games. He's six goals. I mean in all competitions, efficient someone say, yeah, I mean. Look, I mean, if you would ask me like some of the biggest regrets Chelsea have. I mean, there's three guys off the top of my head. I'll say right now to Brunei Saleh and Lukaku. Yeah. Now letting cock ago was dumbed. That was. I mean, they they, they still haven't found a replay I don't because now because the whole Twitter debate now is like Lukaku versa. Murata who's better who's worse. I vaguely Kaku has a slight edge now, but it because I feel like Murata because the social media world is just like shitting them or out to so much. They're, they're like, stats are pretty similar. They are. But I mean the the other thing you have to take a look at it. Like I think both both strikers in their current system really don't fit the type of football. They wanna play now. So. Yeah. I mean seventy million pounds sixty some odd million pound for Lukaku. They're over inflated prices, but. I mean, it's all over inflated. I mean, I saw today that Paul book go for two hundred and forty million. I get the fuck out of my face. I mean there's ruin out of my face Barcelona trying to come in for a hundred million pound for Kante as like double that. Maybe add fifty. Yes. Yeah, it's like you're you're, you're not coming close. Yeah. All right. So I have a couple more questions before we this. Your first question. What is the hardest thing? This is non Chelsea related was the hardest thing to get Americans into soccer. What do you think what about it is like? Because there's a big stigma against it. So, I mean, it's kind of like, you know. It's always like, you know, there could never be a good zero zero game. That's like, I hate that shit. It's, it's, it's it's low brow. It's dumb, it's stupid. Why does sold the titans and the Jaguars play on nine six game. And I've been way more enthralled by nil nil like Tottenham United game. You know what I mean? Cleveland Pittsburgh in the first game in the NFL. It's like really there's been tons of ties and again, NFL's trying to copy us. If we're being honest, I look as somebody that's played the game. Grownup still plays, you know, you can. You can have zero zero match where people are knocking the hell it I've each other hitting the post and it just might not go free. It's it. Yeah, your day. So I'm a fresh American, like I don't know anything about any team. I'm trying to get into soccer, sell me like your salesman. So me on Chelsea. Why should I be a Chelsea flight? Why should be a Chelsea? You're just be a new. I'm trying to be a soccer fan and premier leagues the best league in the world. But. Lollygag whatever. But anyway, so my own Chelsea. Why should I be a Chelsea fan? You know, it's good question. Thank you. Yeah. Swipes you beach? Well, first off you're gonna win the league every other year. Okay. United Mike, Pippin there in a city might get in there. I liked this known as the argument against the other teams. All right. I like I like walk. I mean, you can. You can have all the you want and try to be an arsenal fan. I play the game the right way, have a one shitting years yet. No, I get that. It hurts. That's things my favorite one of my favorite movies all time in bruise, you know, Tottenham weren't really that good weren't really that shit, you know, like Tottenham that saw them. That's actually not too good. Not too bad, not too good. Not too bad. We had a great period in the eighties, still haven't done shit in the primarily. So. I mean, I'm I'm bias. Just me, we're, we're the most biased podcast, but we're also the most much as much as Chelsea get shit. They have an owner that wants to win and you Cheney's winning without you. That's important. When you have good management, it starts from the top. And if you have it from the top, it works its way down to the bottom book. I mean, I've a lot of friends that are Tottenham fans. They were pissed off this year. They spent zero on transverse verse. I'm just like two thousand three, right? The first club that's first insane and sane also like Pacino's, amazing. And it's like he has anything botches Lapakis. Great coach really thought he stability. He, he's going to get you in the top four. But then again, you've got to have that Arsene Wenger question. Is it they? I mean, we have questions around our stadium in how the new one might be funded a might not be Tottenham has same questions right now. Ken Lee can Levy. I don't have your teams in the World Cup to the quarterfinals, and you're expecting that team to come back. Fresh song is out in Asia trying to win the Asia Cup, so he doesn't have to go and have mandatory military service your, that's I wish I could do. That's insane. That is so insane that if he does not like life or death, there is a gun to his head like I don't win. I'm going to have to be in the military. I might have to be deployed. I'm going to be deployed. So back in the day, there was this kid Ben Sahar Israeli who's kind of similar situation. Song is much better player than than Sahara ever was. But I don't know. I haven't seen his tape. So maybe this is we're talking about ten years ago where he's like, he's like one of these young phenomenon kids at Chelsea discarded or do you kind of. Yeah, and being Isreaeli he definitely was going to have to have mandatory military service Abramovich being Jewish made a couple of phone calls. It doesn't need to do that. That is the most Russian Abramovich story ever that is like, no, no, he's fine. He's fine. Okay. All right. Well, the Israeli government said, you're good. Go, go play. Go play football for Chelsea and see what happens. That is. Sorry, that's the best story I've heard on this podcast. So Jake, thank you so much for coming on this end. A lot of fun. So. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Cheers. All right. That interview was brought to you by stadium. 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And I am joined by Brian, who is the president of Phillies Spurs. So Brian, how're you doing? Good. How are you doing today? Thank you. I'm doing good. I'm doing really good. So I, this is the new series I've been doing. I just got done talking to Chelsea yesterday. I'm obviously in enemy territory right now as arsenal fan of the podcast. So are you okay with me? I'm actually wearing my arsenal. Like when Baker right now, are you okay? Is this thing. You might be the first person to wear arsenal in founding fathers. I'm, I'm the founding father of wearing arsenal in founding fathers, maybe. Okay. All right. Do you ever get that here when people come to you this? Is there ever like like like like the Philly? Like, fuck you, like any arsenal fans come here? Yeah, we we. We've never had arsenal in the house. At least they've been smart enough to not let us know that they're here, but we make LOKI. Yeah, we, we have had a few people that come in a fans of other teams. We try to be inclusive in that sense and welcome one or two stragglers. One thing that doesn't go over well is over cheering for the. Yeah. Yeah. And once you do that, then then we'll lay in a little bit. I mean, it's desert. Come into my place. You come into my house in like eating my food, like the kind of rude? Yeah, we, we give you pass until you start overtly cheering. We have one of our guys. His brother is an Everton fan and came when we were at our our old bar and came out to a match, and I forget what it was. I think we they went up early on something or we were up three, nothing and gave up a late goal. I think that's something something to that effect and he, he jumped up and I was like, yeah, that everybody was like shut up and thrown just deaf stare. Just like get the fuck. Yeah. And then he just sat back down, he's like, all right. All right. Got my two cents in. All right. We have that. And I think one of the last games I was at, we saw some people that were obviously here with a friend that was someone was wearing. Dortmund shirt and someone else was wearing some something else, maybe as Spain shirt or a Madrid, a little Rando going on yet. People that are, you know, kind of. Maybe new to the game, maybe fans of other leagues that are kind of popping in with friends. Tottenham fans just to check out the game, and then they're usually pretty welcome. Okay. Well, so so I'm allowed here. Right? Do not wear wear. Do not show up for north London Darby here because I will add Italy escort you out. I didn't plan on it, but. Okay. So Brian, tell me about yourself. How did you get into soccer or football? You soccer football guy? I'll do both. Okay. Either either or you swing both ways. All right. Cool. Yeah. When talking about, you know, the US team or MLS. I usually go with soccer when I'm with friends or whatever, talking Tottenham in a during a game day or something. I'll usually say football, I'll use them interchangeably in don't have a problem either way of of someone calling either one, but I guess I got into it. I guess the very beginnings of it, my first exposure to it was probably paying fica. That's a great gateway. Now it is. I mean, this was back in probably like two thousand three, two thousand four planet. My my one good friend and roommate went to Rome for study abroad semester and came back and was talking about it, and he's like, we're going to start playing. We're adding soccer into our to our video game. Yes. So we just kinda got into that. And I think. You know, I think that was my first foray into this murders at that point in time. And that's like my little cousins, like all them like knew these soccer players, they don't watch it, but they all play feta. And that's how I got really exposed to in college. I mean like, oh, we're going to have a fief nine. I'm like, what do you mean? We're going to play against each other and just switch off controllers for hours and we're probably gonna drink and I went. That sounds amazing. Okay. And then I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. And I think has done so well to just really like the say what you want about NBC sports. Everything I think has been like probably the biggest proponent of like boosting popularity in America. Yeah, I think that's undoubtedly I don't know if I'll I'll say biggest or or anything like that, but it certainly certainly helped. And I think the availability of soccer on TV now making it undeniable that it's a huge, huge moneymaker huge growing commodity in the US so, but I got into it. They're kind of playing. I think when we started playing, we started playing national teams and I, I kind of, you know, I'm Irish so. Glommed onto Ireland real quick. And back then it was Robbie Keane. Oh, scorer. And he was playing for Tottenham at the time. So when we started dabbling into the clubs, I went over there because I was like, I could score goals with him all the time. It'll be fine. Yeah. And you know, so that's that's kind of how I I got into them. And then by the time, like World Cup, two thousand six rolled around, I was like, okay, this is fun. This is like legitimacy ramped up a little bit. Yeah, it took it to kind of a different level. And then by the time, probably around. It was about around two thousand eight. I was still kind of watching it occasionally getting into it, but I wound up getting sleep apnea in two thousand and eight. And so I'm so sorry. I was I was not sleeping for about eight months, so I was up early on weekends and watching. I think at the time it was ESPN had the early morning, seven thirty kickoff on the east coast, seven thirty kickoff game every week. So I was up. I just there was no cartoons on then. No other sports. I mean, yeah, nothing else that was worthy of time. The only thing live and I could just put it on and watch that in the morning, and I started really getting into it and kind of went back to watching Spurs again as I was like, oh yeah, that's the team I used to play in fief again. Often, a lot of people they say like, oh yeah, it is really like playing this team and fee for a lot of my friends now, like, all right, like one of my friends die hard doorman phantom, like really like, what? What about dormant was like when Klopp was there like Lindau skis like, no, I just picked him fee for that. I thought they had really fast players on Mike. Okay. All right. Yeah, so so I got into it there and I want to say, I really got really got into it after that. You know, I had gotten into it with that and then started buying the Faulk soccer package when that was the TV on and back then just got into the English Premier League more and more and by the time, two thousand ten rolled around, I was all in on Spurs at that point in time Rafeh Vanda Vartan Gareth bale only God djing Luca module, which was was there around that time as well and watching those guys and Champions League and stuff. Really. I was just in crouch e, right? Peter crouch and crouch, e got classics per he. He's. He's one of the funniest guys I've ever seen on the podcast now. It's it's so good does he ought to check that out? He's hilarious. He's he's a really funny guy. Oh my God, everything I've ever heard my favorite interview question of him was someone asked him once. Yeah, I think he was in like school. Someone goes, oh, what would you have been if you weren't a professional footballer when you grow up and it was. I think it was in high school age or something. And his director response was a virgin. That was, I always been a fan and after that and especially scoring those goals that got them into champion. So. You know, and around that time, the World Cup came back around again at twenty ten and I was, I was done. I was in, you know, that was it and had a stranglehold on you, you're this, is it. This is done in, I'm going with. So I started going to Fidalgo to watch matches because I'm just kind of like a catchall soccer bar for lack of a better term here in Philadelphia, and it was the jungle juice of soccer, just like just it was just melting pot. Everybody altogether watching that just for on the morning. So I go in and catch the catch the Tottenham games and there'd be a decent number of Tottenham people there at them waiting time and. That's basically around the time that the Philadelphia Spurs started. So yeah. What was the year that Phillies per started? It looks like they were. We were officially recognized back in two thousand eleven. Okay. I guess it was the end of the two thousand ten eleven season that they put the effort into get recognized by the club. And so we were, I think, officially recognized starting with twenty. Twenty twelve. No two thousand eleven two thousand twelve season at officially recognized. I wasn't a part of that effort back then. And I wrote these guys names downside HR give them a shout out wrong. Yeah, the guys that kind of really put the effort into getting organized where Eric, Nash, Aaron, meeker and Frank O'Donnell. Okay. And those guys really kind of kind of jailed the group at Fidel for a while. And we've been like an officially recognized supporters club basically since then. Okay. Yeah, because the thing is like for a couple of the ones I've interviewed like Manchester United, I believe Liverpool as well. I can't remember their unofficial so they don't have like dues that people place your members plate pay dues and are officially recognized by like Tottenham, like back in London. Yeah. So. Yeah, we, we basically earn official supporters club recognized by Tottenham so you go to their website, you can find us, they're, you know, listed on, you know, with all of the different clubs around the world, they have a few hundred officials, supporters clubs, scattered all around. And what that meant for us was basically having theoretically having a board of people together to kind of run the club and then having at least fifteen people registered, let's say with Tottenham because they basically issue like a what they call a client reference number and sign up and get one of those. So you can just register with them and then get on there basically get on their Email list. Okay. There were kind of at that point in time we just pulled together. I think it was fifteen people's what we needed. So we just pulled together people's reference numbers that point in time and sent them back to London and said, these are our people, and I think they cross reference that make sure it wasn't made up and verified. Stuff and trying to guess damned. We were officially recognized as a club by them. At that point in time. So that's kind of how we did it. But to go back to your original question, we do have people pay dues. It doesn't go so much to paying Tottenham or anything like that. But what it does is we have membership scarf every year we have. We did this year. I think we did a keychain bottle opener with the Phillies Spurs logo and stuff on it. Oh, that's wicked. And we also have membership cards that actually you get a discount here at founding fathers when you come in as a as a member. Okay. Do you guys also have I know a couple of organizations planned trips as well as a as a as an organization. So you guys have gone over to London or or like we've never done a full group trip with that. The way that Tottenham does their ticketing. They do have ways that we can do that, but we've never really taken advantage of that. Okay. Yeah, because it was back when it was the White Hart Lane. There was only thirty six thousand seats or whatever thirty, two thousand seats, whatever it was. So it was actually a difficult to do things like group ticketing. And so that's obviously still up in the air because we don't have a home stadium at the moment, but. We'll see how that goes in the future. If that's something we can do, we'll obviously try to do that. But we did do we do kind of organize more trips when they come over to the US. So like last summer we took one hundred ten people up to red bull arena when they played Roma in that farce of an ICC Cup or international Champions Cup, which cyanide Armenia passes. But you know, that's that's another. There's another story. Don't know. I don't want to get into it, get contentious. They're atrocious they are really know. We can sit there really bad. Okay. So you're now at founding fathers was in you originally Fatos, correct? Yeah, we were at Phedot whatever. Yeah, we were back there for a long time and then I guess it was probably. Probably around the end of the fourteen fifteen season. Maybe there was a bit of there was a lot a lot of people there. So they were showing a lot, you know, showing the Tottenham on the big screen. A lot of times. And there was kind of like a. You know, maybe a faction within the group that we're like. We need our own bar and so with with the twenty sixteen season, Fidel was actually closed for the first two weeks of the Premier League season because they were doing all of these renovations after. During the summer, they had to postpone it because of the democratic national convention that was into who cares about that? Yeah, the soccer's on, right. So everybody was kind of like, what are we gonna do? So full panic mode basically? Yeah. So at that point, someone someone in our group, Josh Orlinsky stepped up, and he was a bartender back at another bar that we were at at the time had been there for a year working and stuff and was like, hey, come to my place. And so that became our home bar and we were there for about a year and a half. Unfortunately, after that first season, Josh and his wife moved. Moved out of town for for his wife's job and everything. And so we kind of lost that in at the barn and we were working with them. We thought we were doing pretty well with things up until we had a north London. Darby that kicked off at seven thirty in the morning in November that year primetime yeah, prime time and we had we were expecting like one hundred people. Oh yeah. You know, hundred and fifty hundred and twenty people something like that. And and they didn't open. They weren't open in time to let us in or do anything like you make it to the second half. It was a riots what happened funding Darby, you know, that's that's like this. Like religion like it was the clues church off problem. Yeah. So we were where we were. We were centrally downtown and luckily enough we just kind of at about quarter after seven just made the executive decision. We're not here today. We gotta go to Fidel and so we woke walked into Fidel and I don't know. There were definitely people that didn't go with us and there were a lot, but we rolled into Fidel at about seven thirty with about sixty to seventy people. And you should like. Ace air. They were like, they just looked at us and one of the guys on our board had new their management well, and he's like, we're really sorry. But this is what happened there like Amman, no problem. At least they really accommodating. Yeah, they were. They were actually really great us and I can't thank them enough because they kind of serve as our interim home for a while while we were homeless for a little bit. Yeah. And so we lost SE. We were wandering much like our team currently is get to that. We'll get to that. Yeah, but yeah, so we were there and so we kind of launched a search for a new home bar in eventually wound up here founding fathers. Yeah. So I gotta say, this is my first time at founding fathers and nice one guys. This is a really nice bar. This is like the cleaned is looks very modern and like lots of TVs like, that's, that's my big. My first thing I, I will not miss a game or miss any part of the action when I'm here. Yeah, there they have been fantastic. I Greg and all of his staff here Greg's the general manager. They've been. Fantastic with us. You know when we when we first approached them about coming here, they were really open. To listening to us and what we were looking for, what we wanted in an in a home bar, and they are really honest with us about what they could and couldn't do when they wanted to kind of work on, let's say, build their relationship between the club and the bar and. They've just been fantastic since we've been here. You know, we the, like you said, the places is always clean when we walk in God. Yeah, it's, you know. Got great light big windows in the front that opened up once the weather's warmer atmosphere does seem just like when I walked out of my, yes, I could see myself coming here, not in any arsenal like attire, but like just coming here like not doing game day. My friends would be like, 'cause I live right here in point breeze like, so I'm not that far away, but let's go to founding fathers. It's on you like a boost cruise down south street. Yeah, no, absolutely. And, and you know, they've got a great lineup of beers. They've got a good food when the kitchens open, you know, it's, it was really the total package. And when we were looking for and like you said, if you've not been here before for for a sporting event, this has got to be like the highest ratio of televisions to to space and super, that's in the city at a sports bar. In my opinion, you know, it's just everywhere you look is a television with stuff on. And when we've got our games, it's just us on the TV, which is really nice. So, yeah, it's basically everything that's playing. We did. We did run into a couple of, I won't even call it hiccups because nothing kind of overlap, but are I. I want to say four of our first five matches that we had here ran right up against the eagles playoffs last season and Super Bowl and everything. You were in and out and little problematic and running up and you know some of the some of those eagles fans that came in had no idea what they were looking at, but you just saw them when we started cheering and singing in the match. You know, some guy's plus it out phones to like cellmate, you know, just watching us gone talking to us after going. Yeah. What are you guys doing? They could have walked in on like a Chinese, like a Buddhist meeting, even the same to them. They like this. What is this religion? I'm looking at right now. Yes. So is this how is that mystery here during match daily? Are you guys sing in like hairy k, he's one of us. Are you guys do? We're doing the songs a win this Burs go marching and. Arsenal fan is kind of I can murder gonna. They might take that jacket. Yeah, I might get excommunicated arsenal so, but yeah, you know, there's some singing and chanting and stuff like that and everybody's having a good time. You know, we got a pretty wide range of of ages of people that come in. You know, there's people on on some of the later games that come in with their kids, and the kids are singing along with us and stuff, and. You know, hopefully they don't hear half of the words coming out of most of our mouths, let to see words. Pretty good with that. That's a word that mean many people just we hate it. So we don't see next Tuesday. No, big fan. No, not at all. So you know, our Facebook groups and stuff. We actually don't tolerate a lot of that language because as much as that's a commonly commonly used word in England, and it's in so many chance that, oh, yeah, sings, especially directed. Just guys, we'll do. We'll do this one, but not that we can't. Yeah, exactly. So we try to just stay away from that and we try to be inclusive earlier, try to, you know, there are women that come out to almost all of our games. You know, there are, yeah, come out with like little children to a lot of our games. So that's that's one of those words that. Just I, I don't like it. Yeah. No. I mean, it's a very inappropriate. I use it like I curse like a sailor. So for me, but I could see by wouldn't do it in front of a like. A mom or like someone if I see someone who's like, could be my sister. I'm like, I'm not gonna. Yeah. And so you know, our usual bartender, here's a woman on the weekend, so I'm not gonna tell we don't really like that hanging around anybody that may say, let's visiting or anything else. You know, they're not gonna get thrown out or scolded or anything. Hey, hey, kindly don't. Let's not sing that one today, please. Let's just not move into some footy talk. This has been great. Thank you. So what our expectations for the season, what is what is as Tottenham fan, where I know we're, we're poaching week seven of the problem. You've gotten some Champions League action. You've got some League Cup of all right. Well, Brian sick, a big sip for all our listeners at home. All right. Here we go. So what's what's going on with Tottenham yesterday was way too stressful. U. Darby though we didn't Darby did not lose. Yeah, but. I think the expectation this year is. You know, like the absolute minimum is finished top four and get back to Champions League again. I should also add to that getting out of the group Champions League, getting to the round of sixteen is sort of the absolute minimum. You guys won the group last year of just saying we did. We did win the the group last year. So there is a bit of a, you know, expectation again, hang that up. Hang that up. I winning your group is great, especially the group of death, but you know you, you wanna see more from that. You want to see, you know, silverware bottom line. So I talked with some people, and I think that's, I think that's the expectation is it's time to take that next step. I don't know if that's a League Cup. If it's an FA Cup. I think there's anything general on, tonight's not the IC. Okay. Did win over the summer. So I mean, that's trophy. Put that in the account that that one does not. I don't count it because we weren't invited. So I'm going to just throw that one out of the Tottenham is because they didn't. They denied our media passes understood it. Like I said, they're dreadful. I went to the game, you know, they did this stupid thing called dynamic pricing. So they quoted us prices purchase tickets. And then they said, well, no, you gotta OS more now that was last year so. And they also basically put it together that we had to collect all of our money within four days people. So we actually last year for that matching in New York or Harrison, New Jersey more appropriately. We actually just kind of went around the and didn't deal with them and actually dealt directly with someone had a contact with a ticket rep up there, and we just dealt with them and got. Tickets right in the supporter section. So we were all in that atmosphere and had a good time. But yeah, the the pricing thing was a mess. And it happened again this year when they played, they played this year in. San Diego Los Angeles and Minneapolis and they did the same thing again where it's get us your money in four days for whatever tickets you want and pay us and for these five around for five times, what does that ninety? Nine these five times pay this. You'll highway robbery. It's ridiculous. That said, I still paid to go to games this year, so. Okay. All right. But yeah, so it's just kind of a, it's a bit of a joke it, they're terrible, but what do you think? So for me, when I did my top before my preseason, this is my top four. I had Liverpool one city to United three which is changed now, and then I had taught them for and then I had Chelsea five and then arsenal sick. So I'm just my unbiased top sector. Now I'm having you guys probably at four still, so I'm having like Liverpool city now, Chelsea, I don't think United even makes four now unless they somehow ride this ship, and then you guys like four is that does this reasonable. I think that's about where I would. I would put us to. I don't know if Chelsea will stay up there or not. You know, one thing Tottenham watching Tottenham all those years. You know, if you're not if you're not ready for the grind of, let's say the holidays and once the Christmas schedule, Christmas schedule comes, which isn't bullshit. And then once the, you know, the Europa league stuff kicks off. If they get out of that, then they've got a big fixture congestion again after the holidays and you've got FA Cup hitting up at that time as well. You know, you're going to struggle. So I don't know if they'll if those guys will necessarily be there with, you know if they've got that or not. So like you said I more or less have what you had is a top five. I think it's gonna be city, Liverpool. Oh, you think city posing up? I think I think so. I think that sounds like liberal. So I'm mostly mostly, I say it just to spite the smug Liverpool fans, but I mean, okay. But yeah, no, I still think city is probably the better team overall. And again, I think it just it comes down to who manages their squad better and in the grand scheme of things, I think pep is just a bit better than than urine Klopp at them. Yeah, you know, I would definitely agree at the pep is a genius. I mean the guy literally just like he's a century and he broke on your points us year. I mean, what do you what I love watching like NBC break it down with the two Robbie's when they do like this is how he sits at the same and this weird grid. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't even see that. Like in the how he's like, yo, he could be five five, no up and he's still yelling like, no, you're not in your right. Perfect. Perfect. Because he just wants perfection. You're just like rock and roll. Let's go pitch. So so. Yeah. I mean, in that sense, I think city may might be better off long term in that sense. So that's why I kind of moved them up and I've got Tottenham Chelsea in that three four area could flip flop. I don't have you seen new Niamey's he's he's cooking gas, low key winning the past like three games or so. So in a row, I'm not convinced arsenal are going to be there. Neither am I. But yeah, so we'll see. We'll see what happens there. So what do you, what do you think the biggest thing holding your team back? What do you think the biggest thing from competing for the title or competing for the Champions League right now? I think I really think it's a true home at the moment. Wandering ghost of a home right now that Sautin don't even know what would we call ourselves the wandering Hotspurs wandering Hotspur. I dunno wondering, wolves. I mean, that is a team, so so you know, it, we need. We need to get into the new stadium. We need to get that home atmosphere going. I really thought that you know, from from a squad standpoint and everything the way that they were kind of aiming in the way that they were making moves in the transfer window. They were aiming for this season to be a season to win. Hardware open, open the new stadium, make it this fortress and really capitalize on that. And right now, I think that's that's struggling a bit with the players. I really think that a lot of the guys are fatigued after the World Cup England was Tottenham be. I mean, it was literally just nothing, but Tottenham players, nine nine. We we sent twelve players or thirteen players to the World Cup. I forgot the number now and nine of them were in the semi-finals. Oh, yeah. So there was no other, I think squad no clump squad that had that many players go that far into the tournament boy. Like for me, like I don't support autumn, obviously, but the World Cup, I was like curing chippy and Harry Kane, daily. All those guys. I'm like, these guys are my best friends. Now I love these guys when he scored that free kick against Croatia. I was like, I'm going to get him tattooed on me on the player, like loved them. All those guys played great thrower. In our Belgian trio as well. And Hugo Louise was lifting lifting the trophy. Yeah, as the captain of France. You know, they've played a lot of football over the last couple of years, you know? And then now you throw in this stupid league of nations or whatever the hell it's called in UEFA, and they're now playing more meaningful games again. And so you know, I worry about, you know, fatigue from the guys and just needing a break. That's probably one of the things I think's holding them back right now. I think once the season gets in and they get more into let them that the the rhythm and the squad rotation as more matches kind of pop up. You know, it'll it'll probably get better. You know a lot of those guys that didn't come back. Anybody in the semifinal didn't come back until like ten days before the season started. So they've kind of just jumped right back into recalibrate at that point. You gotta be like, what's going on? Right. Would you like to apologize about Hugo Reese and is drunk driving because he's not been in my fantasy team and he's calling me points weekly. I just wanted to comment. He is hurt at the moment. Okay. So he is. I think today they said from too much alcohol? No. Not that no, I mean, but he's he's been hurt. But yeah, I mean the the that that DU is embarrassing for all right. Wayne Brady Wayne Rooney had like ten. But yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna. I'm not going to sit in a glass house and throw stones or anything like that on on that. You know, it's a mistake. You know, he's been. He did all of the usual things that happen when when something like that occurs and. You know, that's one of the things I don't wind up jumping on anybody, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Life's too short to encompass too much of a bitch. I've, I've, I've made way more mistakes. You're absolutely me like a more like more relatable. I was like, all right. Yeah, I, I keep behind this guy. Yeah. Have a good time out celebrating, I forget what they said who he had, but he had like jerus- and, oh, I mean it was just anybody else in the car with them and it's Jude. Convince the cop with his good looks like look at me don't anyway. Also another thing with the fall. Eleven awards very surprised that or the fief awards just happen that Courtois like again, I'm not saying I'm Tottenham Homer at my sound like I am, but I thought Louise's bettering Courtois in terms of the year. Right, you'd think am I crazy? I can't even suffer Real Madrid. Does he listen three goals against the via? So, yeah, you would think. A lot of people commented on a to that, you know, as great of a year as Luca Amodu Chad winning Champions League finishing second in the World Cup and all of that in ball. Yeah, he was. It was still one of his worst years in the last couple of years. He was a better player several for the last couple of years better than he was. Let's say, last year. So I mean the fica. You know, and it's allows with most things with fief. It's kind of like a crock. It with a grain of salt. It's either corruption bullshit. I don't. Yeah, I I really can't get a read on ever, but I brought up in the podcast. I was like every time I bring, it's never good heads literally every time. Like if it's a video game micro transactions. Here we go. What who's your favorite player on time? It's a great question. You can do current and of all time. Would it be keen ooh, no, probably wouldn't be keen. I think the one guy. That I just. Key. I wasn't watching the team much when Keane was playing too, too often when I first started watching them, he left the team like very shortly after like, so he was probably my favorite video game player. We are choice, but you. But it's probably out of out of all of the guys that I've watched and I, I won't go back and you can say, you're, you said you're Clinton, that's not okay. No, my favorite guy to watch when he was playing for Tottenham was probably Rafeh van of art. Oh, I just I loved watching him play. He was a guy when I started watching, you know, when you start watching soccer football, you don't. You look at the guys that score the goals. And so van Davar did that, but he was just everywhere. And so I watch him move. And I think that's the first time I really started noticing off the ball movement. How you position yourself, how do you decision yourself and how you decide where and when to run. So watching him do that gave me a better appreciation for the game and realizing that there's there's so much that happens off the ball. People don't realize, don't realize if you're only watching the ball, you're missing three quarters of the game. So he's, he's probably my all time favorite that I that I watched. You know, Gareth bale is a very close second before the man bun premium Bon Freeman Bundy pre man bun before he got his ears pinned back before he grew his hair out, hey, I, I studied in Wales. So for me, like I, I love my Welsh dragon. So again, you got me again. Well, why am I saying? I'm like all these players you guys got like your closet fan. I no, no, no. This is. Maybe are. Okay. So current current favorite current favorite player? In the moment right now, it's Eric lamelo. Real lamelo. Really? Yeah. I mean, he hasn't been blamed for a couple of years. I mean, well, he was well. That was, I mean, one of the reasons that makes him one of my favorites is that kind of comeback story. You know, he missed the full, think it was like fifteen months or something. He was going almost two years. Yeah. Yeah. It was almost two full years that he was out when he started playing this year. I was like, oh my God. I remember playing with you in like twenty fifteen and it's been great avenue combat. Yeah. No, he's he's just playing really well right now. And like I said to, he's a guy that, yeah, when he gets the ball, it's fun to watch, but you watch them off the ball to you. He makes just smart moves and he's he's like sneaky, dirty too. So that makes them kind of little gritty little like Philadelphia Flyers pretty. You know, the other guy talking to Philadelphia is is dire. Eric, dire. Oh, you know, I never played soccer past like five years old at the Wong like every other American most other Americans, my age. So so dire dyers actually, Philadelphia Eagles fan. And so this really he is why are you making me like Tottenham right now shouldn't be doing that. You're just admitted that we are more likable than arsenal? Well, I mean, we damn it. I'm not going to do it, but we're red breads, my favorite color. So you got me there also also, that's also the wrong answer. All right, never. That's best. Cool. I didn't know that. That's yeah. So so Dyer's dyers eve Nash. You also have CD's Nashes there. Yeah. Yeah, you know, there's a good bit of. You know, famous people that are taught them fans. Adele, you know, she'll talk. We got Egypt's Elba to saying. So yeah, you lose. He's the next JAMES BOND. You can't. All right. All right one, I'll give you that. Okay. So I've three more questions for you. Sure. Tell me about your feelings about Baccino. I love potch. Are you a big posh guy. Yeah, I like potch. The other, the other managers that we've had since I've been, you know, been a fan. It was really from. Oh, god. Harry Redknapp his name just completely escaped my head at the moment, but from Harry Redknapp on have been a little dicey say. So Pocchettino has been been really great. So. You know, he, he just he has a great report with the players need, gets them in fantastic shape. He loves signing extensions with them. He's right by their side every time with that, you know? So I like potch you know, he seems to have me. Seems to have a really, like I said, a really good report with the players. He seems to be pretty good. I do question some of his tactics sometimes. As far as some of the substitution that get made and some of the positions the players are put in. But you know, he yields results to. So from a, he canceled say, totter Somdej Tottenham's I can never say tottering ham. Damn. Are you so happy? That's not a holiday anymore. I don't even recognize it to be perfect. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, it was the only thing we had for years. So I think I think we jokingly. We're calling at Saint arsons day expert after that for a little bit. So that's, I think happens pretty much people forget for places a trophy and arsenal. It's it's not in Tottenham. Okay. Just remember that. Okay. How remember that take it might be in Woolwich or wherever the hell you guys are now, but it's not top also. Fun fact. Arsenal was never in north London. We started in south London and we invaded your territory. So to be fairness, you're the original nor fund and team. We are the north London team. I mean, are you the team of London? Yes. Well, I mean, who's the last one to win the title? Chelsea? So we're both in how we're both on the hot seat and we were the top finishing team in London last season. So shit, London is ours. Yeah. Okay. Well, winter is coming winter here for you guys, so. Okay. Winter came and it was just gone. All right. I got two more questions. What is the hardest thing for Americans to get into soccer? What do you think is the thing holding back Americans from getting back from flopping from foot ferries two games ending, zero zero. What is in your opinion? The biggest thing holding us back. I, I don't know if. All put put it this way. Stubbornness, I think is the first thing. And I think maybe the only thing holding people back from it, a stubborn American. I've never heard of stubborn American. That's just like, no, that's no, no. I mean, there's I think Americans are going to Sar, like you said with the FIBA stuff. You know, my cousins, eight year old kid comes up to me every time. I see him talk about Harry Kane because he's playing by watching watching games when they're on TV. People are. They're, they're seventy thousand people showing up two games in Atlanta, pretty much regularly. Now sixty thousand people in Seattle or whatever in Portland people are there the the games. Are there. There's just so much of it. So maybe maybe the fact that it's so splintered in that there are twenty Premier League teams in England or twenty four in or whatever it is in Germany and whatever it is in Spain than people go to different teams. So it's not a centralized focal point the way something like the NBA is the NFL is or major league baseball. I guess it is like if you're outside a soccer is so hard to explain like, okay, well, there's five main leagues and then they all play each other in a champion sleek. But then they have their like, you got to go through all the like exactly the dirt to get through everything. And then you throw in the something like the World Cup and you're like, wait, these guys don't play together all the time. Like what's happening here mentally every four years. What are you? Why? Why don't they play that every year because it's only every four. That's why. Yeah, this it's been. So I mean, I think it's, I think there's a, you know, you look around this room. This place was packed for the World Cup final. I mean standing-room-only like not letting people inside anymore type of grounded, people come out for soccer for big events. You know anybody that says it's, it's not a big deal is a little naive. Yeah. You know, I think ignorance stubborn Americans, Brian. I never know. I mean, one of the things I do think that hurts like MLS. So I told you before we started that I'm a bit of a disgruntled former former union season ticket holder. Yeah, I think people recognize when you know, let's say the informed person recognizes when it's not good soccer. And when it's not being played right or not being played? Well, I should, yeah. But it's, you know, and we have so much available to us that is played well, like Champions League, like with what molest for me is like going to a family event. I don't want to go to like watching. I'm just there. I'm like just dreading it the entire time. You know what I mean? But I'm there because I have to be because for me, I'm like, I'm gonna watch soccer. Yeah, but you see the drop in talent, right? You notice that, you know, if you watch enough of it, you notice it for me. I stopped paying because it was just it was more of a hassle to get there than anything else because Philadelphia union or not in Philadelphia or not in Philadelphia that that hurts. Literally, they built there. They built their stadium between a river and railroad tracks. So it's. And makes it complicated on getting in and out of the area and Chester is not exactly the best area is it. So I have no problem going to Chester driving through Chester going to the stadium, but the traffic leaving is just dreadful. Ninety five is is the worst. It's not even ninety five, it's getting to ninety five. That's a pain. Oh yeah, it's getting in and out of the ninety five. Yeah, it's just it's getting in and out of there. It's, you know it is that noticeable depreciation and talent and for so many years I was just handing them, you know, handing the money every year and they were terrible. They were bad. Yeah, and it just got so frustrating that I stopped wanting to go. It was no longer fun. And I started resenting the fact that I had to go. So you know, Brian can't let that build up, man. I'm proud of, you know, I mean, just it was about three or four years too long. The same same. Same amount of time that I suspend knowing that it was the wrong move to have Phillies season tickets for awhile. I've been in relationships like that Brian. I totally understand so so. So that was that was what it was. But I think things like that hold. You know, attendance numbers back from people like the union. You know, when they had a decent team, they would pack the house and it was fun now, but they have a decent team now, but there I think people they've just the rooted that trust with the local fan base that people don't want to invest in it bottom line. I mean, if it starts at the top, you know, it really has to be like quelled from the top down. All right. So last question Brian. You ready? Okay. I'm a blank slate American. I'm trying to get into soccer. I have no allegiance to anyone. Sell me on Tottenham. Why should I be at Tottenham fan. Well, first thing I'd do is I'd probably say he wanted to come come to a game here at founding fathers, sit with me by a couple of beers during the game, and let's talk unless you watch the game and talk and we'll watch players. You know, ask me about them asking you have me a beer, but going, I know it's easy way. I don't know if you're familiar. There's a guy that is very involved with the American outlaws that started the free beer movement, many years ago. No. So the free beer movement was. Come watch a soccer game with me and I'll buy beer. And we'll just talk the game and you'll be an, I hope you'll be a fan after that was that was the whole Genesis of his idea. So, oh my God, I'm sold I off. So it was. It was brilliant. I have somewhere at home. I have an old free beer movement t shirt that was fantastic. Oh my God. I need to find that find that on the internet. I'm so excited. I mean, that's what it is. So. All right, but anyway, blank slate, American. If you're like me. You don't have the attention span you you ever had. There's commercial suck. There's really like every ten seconds is when you have to pay it to every twenty seconds is when you have to pay attention in football is baseball still happening? I don't know. So slow. Phillies still suck. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, there's no TV timeouts. It's ninety minutes in your home and you're done. Soccer game starts. I know what time it's going to look with a football game or Facebook. Basically go ten hours. I'm glad you don't like baseball either. I used to love baseball. I love going to the ballpark baseball game, but I can't watch it on TV. Show grandfather does. I'm like, he's like how it's rough. Yeah, but you know, yeah, just come out to the game the games in and done. And if you're like me. You realize that European soccer is kind of the pinnacle of that, and they're Li, games are all played on the weekend mornings for the part. So like you have a still have the rest of your day. Exactly. Or then you can go watch more football American football and they can watch college football in the afternoon. Saturday that NFL Sunday, let's go signing. It's just the perfect thing. If you don't have like kids, it's an excuse to drink in the morning. It's oh God. It's a great morning. Boy. Why can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning? Yeah, that's might as well start here on the east coast at seven thirty in the morning with us, we'll Bryant has been a lot of fun one more question. Are you happy? I didn't make a bottling joke. All right. Thank you so much coming on the potty. The potty, a lot of fun. Appreciate it. Some.

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Semi-final Matchday 4 Recap / Final Predictions

Stoppage Time: Champions League

52:56 min | 2 years ago

Semi-final Matchday 4 Recap / Final Predictions

"Ah? What's up everybody? Welcome to the start of stoppage time. I your host max Parrilla in this podcast devoted to the Champions League in all its glory with me today. The professor will the cats Baril has your pulse, dissipated or are. You still Rockin out on all every cylinder. Unveiling my pulses still fast. My hands are trembling. I mean, it was my voices little bit horse. It was unbelievable game. One of the most exciting games that I've seen and man, you know, this team the Spurs have really giving us to incredible games. Right. This one and the one what a month ago against Manchester City same thing slick hard to really come down that what is the maybe five six hours ago when the game was over? And I'm still my head is still spinning totally. I couldn't agree more. I had to watch the highlights just to verify that it all really happened that in fact, Spurs go on a head. I I got to say I felt badly yesterday Willie because typically you're on the show on Tuesdays, but you were traveling. And so you missed out on this epic. Liverpool comeback four goals. And I was like, wow, poor Willie. I mean, you know, he really missed out on something truly special and then Tottenham come in here. And and say hold on here. We'll also decide to overcome our own three-goal deficit, but we'll do it all in one half. We don't even need the full game. I mean, I didn't think it could be better than yesterday. And then today comes along and just seems to blow it out of the water. Somehow. I can't believe I just can't believe what we watch today. Well, two miracles back to back. The miracles event-filled. And the miracles of answer that I know it was really I really didn't think it could happen yesterday was painful for me Barscelona fan. So in a way, I'm glad in quite watch. Because that it's like demolition. I know that we're here to talk about today's game. But what happened yesterday? Still puzzles me that a team like were Celona can actually be beaten so badly with three goals on their side coming to I'd undersigned me. I'm still I I was already reeling. Even before today's game. My hit was already spinning. And then what happened today was like on believable amend this days? Today's soccer, the I don't think we've had back to back days like this ever. I don't know. You know, I'm old enough for remember lot of those dumplings game semifinals. I don't remember to buck to bag games. Like what we had yesterday and today unbelievable on it's been a surreal forty-eight hours to say, the least this is a low blow. But you know, they say I ax in Barcelona really share. A sporting DNA. And I guess we saw today and yesterday. That's harsh I'm heartbroken, but I'm also soa polluted. I so many emotions, but we're going to kind of get into it. I feel like there's a million different storylines. Hopefully, we'll touch on all of them today might be kind of a meandering episode of thoughts as we process all of this. But it was I XE to Tottenham Hotspur three making it three three on aggregate and Tottenham progress on away goals things looked like they were off to a rosy start when Dilek scored with a thumping header in the fifth minute. And then things really seem like it was under control wind Hakeem Zeke scored absolutely gorgeous goal in the thirty fifth minute making it three nil on aggregate. But the second half was a different story, and it was the little blazing Brazilian. That's right. I just came up with his nickname Lucas Mora with goals in the fifty fifth minute. The fifty ninth minute. And then what's that the ninety sixth minute one of the last kicks of the game to make it three two and give Tottenham the win. I mean as games go, can you think of two more different halves of football? Unbelievable. And you know, I think that we've talked about how incredibly compose and really amazing show of cool heads, the young players of a ex have been displaying the coolness that know togetherness, and somehow you know, that youth came to to buy them in the second caffeine. They did something that was very unusual for that. And that is a sat on the lead. Now, they came back out of that first half where they look beautiful. They just continued the same attacking football festively flowing full of there's in the first half. And then the second half for the first twenty minutes, the just watch thug and play and they were sitting back, and this is not a team that gun really see. Beat back. And they were I think by surprise. They lost a little bit. They're mo-. Jill they lost their momentum. And. There. Let's let's, you know, Jill like Barcelona was saying, you know, how can you two goals? Tree goals really in the Bank lose a game in forty five minutes. I mean. It sounds impossible for a team that beat Real Madrid Juventus hard to believe that second. Have your up salty ride was Ying Yang. It was so white and black was a different us to have of soccer could be I I mean, it's it's shocking. I mean, they started this game. I'm looking at it saying, okay? I XE are totally in control. They're just cruising. They're playing their game. Tottenham look tired. They just look out of it. They're just caught off guard again when they scored in the fifth minute, you say, okay. Well, it doesn't really change Tottenham story. They'll still need to goals to win either way. But then when scored in the thirty fifth minute, I was like this is done. It's over Tottenham look lost. I asked look so calm and cool. And then my question to you Willie is which of the following things solidify. Guide the curse against I ax. Was it their players smiling going into halftime? And then smiling coming out of the tunnel at the start of the second half. Was it their fans singing way too many on cores of the three little birds? You know, just all worry in the stadium ringing out. Or was it me saying that this is the team of destiny because at least one of those three things solidified it, and they were doomed, and I'm not sure which one I think it may have been the fans seem don't worry. I think this is on you. I'm gonna blame you. I mean, I'm gonna tell you. This was my least favorite matchup for the final in order of preference. I was hoping to see Barcelona Manchester City for the fire. Okay. Well, now, you're just going back to many steps. Alternative reality. That was my second. Agreed my third leave her pool. My fourth and last choice was lever pool. Thought mean come on? It's an all English old Premier League final. I was hoping that this was going to happen them gonna blame you for calling the team of this. There's no other explanation for the collapse of the steam on the last in the second half of the game is still bad is really related to bad. I mean. You know, what is is that this team? And those you said there are so many storylines to really Bush forward here. One of them is this team is being know it's going to be broken apart in this beautiful team is now being you know. Sold in parts, and they will never come back together. They might be another yaks. It will be terrific. But this one that really delighted us for you know, the whole Champions League season. This year is going to be gone and not to be seen again. And it's it's really sad that they could not culminate the beautiful soccer. They played by being in the final. You're you're correct. It's I mean, it's it was a heartbreaking loss. I can't think of a worse way for this team to lose. I mean, I feel like it's a trope with me. And in in this game of thrones world, we live in. I don't know if you watch game of thrones will, but this is like the viper in the mountain all over again in terms of you know, finally for the first time in the second half of this game. We saw I XE give in to that a little bit of era. That's a little bit of that naive. Easy, and it just took one half. And they were and they're done. And you've next thing. You know, you're out, and it's hard brain delivered says, you know, this was a nightmare. It's a nightmare, and it's gonna haunt these players, and it's going to haunt so many of these players. I mean, you think of Zeke hitting the post late in the game. He had law Reese beat. I mean, so many different opportunities where they could have maybe even gotten a fourth goal, and it just didn't go their way. I marvel though at first of all we talk about. I XE totally being a different team in the second half. You gotta give credit to Paci Tino of all players to bring on Fernando, your enta-, and he just was able to provide that kind of suction where he draws enough attention to bring other players into space. Totally changed Tottenham. Obviously their attitudes seem to. Find that belief and there's nothing worse than giving up two goals in quick succession to really get a team doubting themselves. And so Luke scoring four minutes apart. But all three of Lucas goals Willie. I watched the highlights of these goals, and I like just in terms of physics. I'm not sure how he gets the ball on all three of these goals. It just speaks to his speed his quick ability. He's tremendously fast, but his ability to take a shot so quickly with so much power. All three goals. He just he seems to get to that ball in a way where you're like. No I x player's going to get their first. But he just gets there first and then gets a shot off. It's it's amazing. All three of these goals. Outstanding. I don't think that we're pretty goals, but one of credible desire to go after the ball. Right. And I'm gonna tell you the ASX was the biggest loser. Obviously second biggest loser of the night of the afternoon, depending on where you were watching this game to me is Harry Kane. I mean, it would miss. Not at all. I'm can you being put Schettino? How can you not start? Lucas Mora for the fine. And you not this guy got you there. I you know, I heard a very very moving story. It seems like the the Spurs came out of the end of the game to take photographs together for for for the team book. And when they went back to their local rooms every single one of the players started to applaud as more, and it seems like he was in tears. It was just a very very moving moment where all of his teammates were in all of what he did. How can you not start him? If you're Patino. Against lever pool on June. First, you know, and I think I read Cain is going to have a really hard time coming back onto this team of what happens night. I disagree. I mean, I, you know, obviously, we have a month. Now, roughly just under a month. They there's conjecture that Harry Kane it'll be enough time for him to be fit. And so let's assume he's fit. I think you see what for Nando your anti did giving Lucas space, and I think Lucas, and Harry cane can coexist. It gets tricky in the sense that obviously you're going to face Liverpool. We're going to talk a little bit about predictions and our thoughts on the final in a little bit. But you know, I think Lucas you have to start him. He's clearly brings something so unique to the team Harry Kane. I I mean when he if he's fit is. Is indispensable. So the question is who drops out of the midfield potentially. And that's a tricky conversation. Probably one Yama, but. But goes, I mean, he was terrible today. Yeah. I mean, I think that made the whole the whole turnaround possible for Spurs. I mean is one Emma. I thought it was very it was a weak link. Yeah. And your ent- as you said made made a huge difference when you came out you gotta feel good for Lucas, though. I mean as you his his career. I mean, he started this kind of super talent of these young of this young Brazilian wave. And it seemed like the whole world was a head of him. And then maybe he kind of got classified as Justice speedster and not necessarily someone with the same technical ability. And he kind of went to PS Jeevan never found his place, and you know, went to Tottenham and to see him have a night like tonight as got been truly special for him. And you know, we'll see what he doesn't future. But there's even the first game against I actually they lost. You felt at Lucas was really the only bright spot, and he at least made some runs and tried some things, but I'm I'm as you say. They're not pretty goals, but they're pretty in. How in how he's able to manage it. Given the second goal. His ability to keep the ball. I mean, obviously, you feel terrible because Nana and shown up both get in each other's way. It should have just been done. But you know, they trip over each other the ball gets put back into play. But the way Lucas keeps the ball at his foot dribbles around, you know, two players in the tightest of scenarios, and then finishes unbelievable on the the calmness to do that truly special Hume, really really, you know, he reminded me of socred song like basketball, but still, you know, he reminded me of those moments where a Michael Jordan. You know, Kobe Bryant, you know, I actually takes the game by the neck, you know, or and starts to actually on their own just turn things around and Luca's more really really took this game. You know by this rough of the neck. I mean when he's scored the first goal his the guy that went to the ball run back to. I mean, he really wanted to win. And and and it was really I think is energy and his spirit that gave some cope, you know. I think the Spurs weren't really believing in this and Lucas more made them change their mind. You know, and and it was really terrific. I mean, he is so fast as you said, I have never really seen him as a. Of the leader. You know, I have always seen him as a player that that that is a team player, but doesn't really come through as a leader of the team. But man was he the leader today. He really did an unbelievable job in. In giving Spurs of desire to win and the reality of winning unbelievable. You know, what a game we had there were. I don't know how many shots I think less the district that with thirty four shots between the two teams. It was an unbelievable game. And for someone that Lucas ward to really scored three goals in the in in this game. That was going back and forth and back forth was crazy. I remind me also little bit of those NCAA again, a little bus goodwill analogy what they come to mind. But you know, you see sometimes when there's like a minute right left on the clock to collegiate teams. They're really young. There's nothing leg these coaches can do it under the UC the coaches of this team's on the sideline going crazy because you have this. You know, eighteen nineteen twenty year olds at are so excited about being their own coach Rable the tactics. Go out the window. And it's you know. Whatever happens on on the court, and they sense a little bit of a craziness less. Ten minutes of this game with like, the coaches in exist. You know, the strategy the tactics that they had went out the window. And it was like twenty two players like if it was on, you know, sort of a old amateurs pickup gang where everybody was running. After the ball trying to kick. It was really really fun to watch things got chaotic to say, the least that's the word. But it was it was so amazing to watch. I mean to have it win in that fashion. Where I mean, literally one of the last kicks of the game. I cannot imagine what both sets of players and fans are experiencing, you know, tonight. I just can't you know, the heartbreak the I mean to say a gut punch is to put it so mildly to act. I mean, it's it's devastating and then for Tottenham, and this is where starting to think ahead towards the future. But Tottenham they qualified for the for the knockout rounds on the last day of the group stage. You know that? You know, that it came down to the last day and everyone's been kind of counting, including me on this show saying they're going to be too tired. They're going to be too tired. They don't have the players. They don't have the depth, and they just keep finding away. And now they find themselves in the final. It's gotta be fork beyond belief. You know, when you think about I mean, you talk about eight jugs being team of Dustin e book, if you really go back, and you see what has happened in the last month here and just think of the Sears against bent sister city. Him think of they are team of destiny. I think, sir. Hugh a wear. Doesn't miss a lot of penalties. Right. And he missed the penalty on the first leg United like it was the first missing the long time for from penalty shot for him. Then obviously that's four to three game. There was also chaotic in math house river four goals in the first twenty minutes was a crazy game. Also, they score. Remember rented calms of very controversial goal than the last minute. It was the reverse remember last minute Manchester Ceuta scores a goal the offside the emotions of this team the roller coaster emotions that the tutton ham players and fans have gone through. I mean, I don't live anybody's keeping track of heart attacks and then in the emergency room in London. But I do think that there must be some incredible. The incredible emotions that this team has actually generated for for their fans from despair and complete frustration to elation and euphoria. I mean in in the space of a few minutes. Unbelievable said the games against Manchester City now against Ajax. I'm rooting for them. So am I. And that's you know, obviously, I'm like I'm not gonna root for Liverpool. But I've always you know, you what Spurs have been doing over the last several seasons has been quite impressive to watch fun to watch. I mean, as you mentioned the emotional rollercoaster. They've been on so beautifully displayed by putting at the end of this game talking about heart attacks after they scored and he'd collapse to the ground. I thought he was having a heart attack. I was like oh my God. He get him to the hospital. He's done. It's his heart has exploded in his chest. I mean, I love the the his watches falling off. It's become buckle. I mean him after this game. You see the pictures of him. So fired up. You see him in his post-match interviews, totally in tears. It's beautiful. You see how much all of this means it kind of brings us around. Now looking ahead to Tottenham against Liverpool in the final. We're going to do some predictions. But I feel like there's so many storylines all around it as you said, I would have said the same thing. Tottenham verse Liverpool. That's my least anticipated final match up. I'm not gonna go so far back as to bring in other teams that lost multi several rounds ago like city, I mean, like forget it. But let's deal with the four teams in the semi-finals, and that's purely because they play other all the time. I mean several times a season A B the beauty of a European tournament. I love seeing teams from different leagues come head to head in the final. And you see kind of that stylistic clash culture clash all of it. So to see two teams from England. Not not necessarily my first choice having gotten here though, and in the manner in which these two teams have gotten to the final. I couldn't be more excited for this final. I feel like it's going to be so fiery part of me wants to say I Liverpool are the better team. They're going to win. But at the same time it's one game and Tottenham now believe in themselves to the max Liverpool believe in themselves to the max beating Barcelona. I think both these teams are gonna have so much passion belief. No one is giving an inch. And I'm so excited to see how it plays out. If things go the way, I hope they go Liverpool is going to be looking for the only silver where this year actually lose the league. They will be really looking forward to some vindication by winning the Champions League for Butch Dino. As you know, he's been criticized so roundly, I think so on fairly but roundly for not having won anything with on him. And it you know, I my second favorite team in the Premier League. I mean, they're I love them. I think that the for the resources that they have the place. So so well, I hope they win. But I think labor pool is going to really come out in with some some anger frustration. I hope I mean, this is Mike hold of winning the league. And I don't know if they can be stopped but game to me for the reasons that you mentioned rides it's Champions League. It's European league. It sounds. A little bit parochial. Scott been many times before in a very frustrating to see a lead to go the Madrid play reality rid Byron that against stored you. I mean, it it actually I think takes away a little bit of the interest of the game. When the the final is between two teams from the same country. But it will be sucker the very highest level. Would we saw yesterday? What it was? So today, I just hold the final is half as good. You know will be a fantastic game. We'll be a little bit onto Clem attic. I mean, this two games were so of soul extrordinary, right? The volition Barcelona and that what happened in this game of back-and-forth of this game today. I don't know how they're going to tell this. It's going to be really hard. Yeah. You're a you can't help. But feel like maybe we're just destined for zero zero penalty shootout after all of this. You know, we'll have finally have our first game. Go to extra time go to penalties. And it'll be you know, kind of a letdown. I mean as you say it feels. Unrealistic to the maximum that you're gonna have a game that's going to beat these two semi-final matches. But as I said, I didn't think that today's game stood a chance of even getting close to yesterday's. And here we are. I'm marvel at a few things Willie one as I loot it to a little bit that both of these teams. I think came out of the two most difficult groups, but they both are the second place teams. In those groups, I find that to be amazing. I'm not sure why. But it's just you know, it speaks to a challenging road. I think teams kind of speaks to that adage where it's like you have to beat the best. If you wanna win at all if you wanna be the best, and you look at the road that these teams have gone on Liverpool beating Byron Munich beating Barcelona, and then Tottenham beating Manchester City. I mean beating I XE that this team that has taken the world by storm and has beaten two of the giants of the game. You know, these teams, and then let alone going back to their groups Tottenham, overcoming dealing with that difficult group of Barcelona and inter NPR's V who are dangerous and then thinking about Liverpool having to deal with PS G and NOP Alie. It was like Fook, but these teams have been battling since the beginning. And here they are in the final and. Credited. I mean credit to their mental fortitude to their mental fortitude to be here, obviously, the physical skills, you know, something else, but I can't even you know, it's hard to wrap your head around. Yeah. I'm not surprised that lever. Pull is to the final mean. You know, I had the most one of my favorites to make it to to the final. But as much as a like, the Spurs, I rarely I'm surprised that they're they're, you know, they're in my book top ten in Europe. But not up for in my book Liber bolt is. So you know, I find that that the ham is actually punching a little bit above their weight. But, you know, more power to them as you said, they haven't had really an easy. Road. They have been very lucky, and you know, that to me is a good omen. Now. You have to be lucky to actually win any tournaments of this complexity, and they have been very lucky they were very lucky in the series with monsters city, and they were lucky thank today. Well in the last week, and you know, I mean, there were very good, but also lucky in, and as you said, you know, that the AXA a shot against the against the post goes on the game is over it's a couple of inches to the to the left would've actually made the Fords zero would have been over. You know, it's it's a game may be a as we said of a acts. I mean, I think that thought bam is a game of destiny and possibly they will they will win all. I didn't expect them here. And it's fun unexciting deteriorated. You don't expect to actually make it to the final. This is now where I kind of sit back in my armchair, psychologist view. I put on a put the pipe in. I I on time my bowtie, and I start to think about the mental side of this game. And you know, it's all I end up doing his canceling myself out because this is where my thoughts have gone today at first I say, there's there's no way Liverpool. Make it back to the final for the second year in a row and lose again. I think after last year they're playing around Madrid there, you know, this is there I kind of step onto that stage. You get a little intimidate you get a little bit bullied. You don't have as good a goalkeeper things conspire against you. And you lose, but you pull yourself back up by the boot straps, you get back to that final. You have. All that extra experience. That you know that they're going to take care of business. The second time around then, you know, at the same time. I it's easy to say. Well, Tottenham I mean, they haven't made it far into the Champions League in a long time. And so they're in the final they might be a little bit starry eyed in the final just like Liverpool were last year. But then I look at these players Willie. And I've look how many Tottenham players made it to the semi-finals of World Cup or the final. And you say, I don't think so these these players have seen so much at the highest level. They're not gonna be intimidated. Now, it's a lot of English players for, you know, between the English Dutch and French contingent on Tottenham, you know, the but still I mean, they all made it deep into that tournament. And I feel like well, you know, that counts for something. Then there's we're making predictions before the Premier League ends this weekend. How is that gonna factor in as you say? Say I'm very much hoping that the pool certainly do not win the league. And then who knows how that factors in are. They do they lose the league. And they're all the more fired up to win the to win the final because it's all they have maybe or are they totally dejected from having lost the Premier League in such a tight race. Maybe if they win the Premier League vice versa. You know, the same two ends are. They are they feeling a little too confident. Who knows who knows? I literally I'm gonna make a prediction going in. I still I flip flop back and forth. It means nothing. I feel like it's the any given Sunday adage that either of these two teams can win the final, and I have no idea. You have to say that labor pool will come in as a as a favourite. And I think that the government gonna be much more, relax. I think that they feel that they really got a lottery ticket here. They they have to feel like the can win anything. I mean labor Bulkin say the same of turning three zero four on their favor against worse Alana. But the truth is I think that the birds are gonna come in to the final loose without really a load of nervousness. They have absolutely nothing to lose to me again, as I said, they're punching way above their weight. They are delighted to be that final your rights in could actually work against them in the sense that they already made it to the final. They're happy to be there. And that's that. But I think that they're going to play much looser than league report. I think report and club, particularly they don't win the league will have to prove something and whenever you have to prove something. Thank you were you you play much more tight and not as creatively as you could have otherwise. So in your of playing psychology here, I think that it's going to come in much looser really having nothing to lose and playing I think much more open soccer than labor pool wheel. I I would like them to win. But you know, who knows it's going to be a difficult game two to predict they think, but I really will love to see them win after the series of Munster CNA. I think he will be a really culminating streak here. Beautiful. You're done. Quarterfinals semifinals. It will be terrific. You know lever? Had you know, I walk through and beating portal. They deserve oversleep everything they God, by beating Bush along the way they did. But I think having on much more. I mean, can you think of two more more exciting games at the four three and the street to win some in the loss of two four three loss against sisters and his win of three to think they have provided to the best games this season. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No way to be grateful to them. They win the final. You're right. And I think your your to your point of playing loose with nothing to lose. I think you you saw little bit of that today that all of a sudden, you know, win Spurs down three nothing. And really at that point. You have nothing to lose. You gotta go for it. They started playing so much more electrically and dynamically. And so I think you're right that Tottenham very well. Are going to play much looser in the final. And that's very interesting. And I agree that Liverpool might have a little bit of that added weight of expectation as they will certainly be the favorite going in. I imagine. Last point before we make our predictions. It's a it's a great turnaround for English football to to you know, to their teams in the final. And I think over the years, you know, it's been so dominated by Spain obviously round Madrid Barcelona English teams really just not having made the that final cut and so much of the talk has centered around. Well, you know England has such a grueling season. You know, every every one of those teams in those twenty teams in the Premier League has the chance of winning on any given day. You have these hard fought battles. You have two different domestic Cup competitions. You don't have a winter break, and that that was really hampering these English teams, and I can't help. But feel now that we're here. None of those things have changed that really. It's the Premier League's these teams investing in better coaches that have really made the difference Klopp coming in punch, Tino, I think I really think that that is. Is our or y'all. Yeah. I mean who remembers him? I don't I'm not sure I'm not quite sure. That one of the quarterfinal teams. I'm not sure I don't remember that far back. But, but yeah, absolutely bringing in these elite tactical coaches, I think is what has made the difference. Now why we're seeing the Premier League resurgent? I don't know if you agree. Not only the final of the Champions League. But the yeah, the Europa league we might have Chelsea against arsenal. I mean, if that happens, I will be I don't think he ever happened. I'd I, you know, I need to go back and check oversleep, but I don't know if four teams from the same country have ever played for to the top two on cops in Europe, you know, and that just reinforces what you just said, it's the dominance of of the Premier League this this year has been amazing. How does it feel though Willie that the only two teams not present in any of those finals are the Manchester teams? I mean, really what we're saying here is that man city are pretty much equal to Man United. Almost I think they're like thirty points a park in the league. But yeah, you could say. The same. I mean, like you're having a conversation semantics now at this point. Yes, yes. But you know, it's amazing. Right. That. The this floor British teams English teams from air league teams are put actually the final Valencia Frankford. Lee shot of to what we saw today. You know, everybody has a shot with so yesterday incident. Everybody has a shot turn any score round. But that will be really world dominance if they make it to the final. I do think that you're right. I mean, it's a matter of of coaching. There's no doubt that the best coaches are right now the Premier League. But I also think max that, you know, the the huge contracts that they got in the last couple of years with the TV rights the primer league nab being the richest of all leagues they have now attracted without a doubt. The best best talent around the world. I mean, you look at labor pool. You look at. You look at Manchester City. I mean, can you think I don't know? I mean, it's like an embarrassment of riches, right? This are teams of twenty players. That are fantastic. Not good. Not very good antastic. And and to me there is no doubt that the combination of excellent best in the world coaching and the biggest and fattest in you checkbook accounts in in in in football of combine to make the Premier League. I think the the Premier League literally in the world. Well, exciting well said so Tottenham they got here without Harry Kane Liverpool, they got here without Sala. And for me now, I mean should all those players. I mean just out of. Respect for the game. And the contributions they should all sit out of the final. Right. I look I mean what Liverpool? It's hard rising. Goes it was I I don't know. I don't see this for me. No, they're Saleh. I think that the it's a little bit easier thanked to maybe bring them in in into the lineup. I really think hurricane is going to have a hard time a gun back into the lineup for the for the final. I'm sure he will you know, just we he is such a star. But it might actually destroy the chemistry. You know, you have always been a I have to give you full credits. Max, thank you always been a fan of Lucas more. I have to say about fast keys, and so forth. And he deserves to be there in. I thank you, bring Kane and Kane is very different from your answers. May we're talking about your this really of. Trucking, a log of attention unite again, I don't know why I'm so basketball central today's thought really sport I full of closely. But you know, how those big centers was getting the key in wait for the bowl to come. And does your entity having his very very big guy that actually pushes bag, right? He he has his back to the goal pushes one or two defenseman back makes a lot of space for for Delhi Allio. Oh for Lucas more to to really make this runs. Cain. Those played like renting Cain does you? So will no place much more from the back. His he he he is he plays more like lead like the ten that he is. And I see came coming in and disturbing a little bit. The the style of the chemistry that we sold today on the pitch for Spurs. I would I I don't know. I I'm really going to be very curious starts the game. And he'll obviously have no games between now and the final kind of play himself back into form either. So that's you know, he'll be a little potentially rusty obviously world class player. But we shall see. We shall see. Predictions time Willie Liverpool Tottenham who's winning the before actually before predictions. I would like to point out in our conversation last week that I said that while I hope that I actually was going to win that I felt in my guts that Tottenham we're going to somehow come back and win. I just want that on the record. But all right. I'm the first one to give you full credit for that. You know that I really like, and I didn't think they could come back. So, you know, full credit to you for having that instinct that they could no, no, no, more applause. I put my pants on one leg at a time. Just like the rest of. All right. Predictions time Willie Tottenham or Liverpool who wins the final. Unfortunately, labor pool. But you know, that my heart is would, but I'm gonna make the prediction that lever pool is gonna take it all I mean, taken poem, and I'm going to be very unhappy. Because I don't want them to fair enough. I I reached out to our co host read, obviously, not on the show today. But I wanted his opinion in all of this. And he also predicts that Liverpool will win the final re willy. And so you know, if I were to then also vote for Liverpool. The three of us would all be saying Liverpool. We would surely jinx them. But guess what? I'm not gonna do that. I thought you were going to vote for Tottenham, and that it would balance out the other way with read voting Liverpool. I am going to be the sole prediction for Tottenham. I'm leaning into the idea as you said that they're going to be playing loose. They have nothing to lose. And this is the big this is just the big beautiful night for them. And I think the they've had luck on their side. No question. But I don't know I'm gonna condemn them. Really? This is the worst omen. I could give them, but I feel like there the new team of destiny. Well, I hope the goal all the way I'm gonna tell you. Another thing the hell the best uniforms in the business if nothing else for fashion sake, I cold they win. That's unfortunate. I look for. I mean, you know, it's just one more criterion to use in your burn interesting podcasts, as you know, who has the right to win because of the statics. I think aesthetics are count for everything. I imagine that. They're there to kits are so different that we won't get to see those Tottenham turquoise uniforms that have become so Connick and the last few few rounds. But I think we'll I think we're in for good, you know, red versus white and blue. That's really what the the end of the day. If European soccer is about nothing else. It's about red teams playing blue teams. And that's that's what it all comes down to. So we've got American politics who we're so relevant. We're so relevant Willie. Are you going to be free on June? First are you going to be joining us for our final episode? You know that I part of my disappointment of what happened. Today is that on June? I I am an answer them as I was hoping to be watching it. Yes, play Liverpool in Amsterdam that that would have been some sort of infant tastic. So I will have the the pleasure of conversation with you and very late. They will be three o'clock in the morning for me. But I would love to be part with you in the and read just to to bring some comments to the final. That will be awesome. Excellent. Well, we will we will find a time. You hope it won't keep you up too late. But now, we need the three of us altogether for the final it's been a long road, and you or my l-, my, you know, I couldn't do it without you. So we will have to combine forces for the final and the next three weeks with no Champions League. No soccer. Really? I mean, we'll have an FA Cup final in there somewhere. But it's all you know, the Premier League ends this. This weekend in that should be fascinating. But we're gonna have to go couple of weeks cold Turkey. And so we'll be all the more amped up when the final comes Willie. This was an excellent episode. And there's no one else. I would have rather breakdown this absolutely thrilling game with then you thank you. So so so launch. I mean, you know, I had prepared the goal of the day. I wanna hear it. We got to give it to me. Today, you are actually not interested in this these last two days, I'm too emotional to give awards frankly. But I would love to hear your goal of the day. I mean, you gotta give all the credit to Lucas. But my goal of the day was Z in his goal. And and what was your your best stop of the day, man? I mean, I can't help. I mean, I feel badly because you know, it didn't go his way but own Nana had a few excellent saves including the one where he saved it. And then I it was one of the defenders who then cleared off the line. That's my that's my play of the facets place today. Yeah. Was when Joel Belbin it was Belton. Okay. And I thought he had won the game for Ajax at the time by by clearing the goal line. But it really did feel like that was that was it like you that was the big final and they survived. Yeah. And I just wanted to ask you, you know, the fashion is always part of this conversation. I mean, you think that put should Tino. And the eagles seem Nonni have the same the same fush niece to Taylor asking you a question that the that'd be of interest. What I find your listeners. But I I was wondering if but the fascist black the, you know, this little tie, very thin tie and might be actually in their Jin. Teniente twist that we don't know of and that the more and more people are gonna start wearing I think you might very well be right. What I find. So interesting is despite the similarity of their styles, the two men Simione and chino come off so differently. Really almost flip sides of the coin where puch Tino there. He looked fantastic. He's lost weight. Eight he's almost on the bond, the JAMES BOND side of all black versus Simione a- is like the bond villain who looks like he's going to kill you in a gruesome gruesome way, and I think really in the scheme of things the real problem for for X was to hug, he's he's zipping his sweater to high. It's has to go. That's what are a couple of things where Joola us to really good rid of the goes to give him for Christmas or something a different sport into where. And. Cuss to Chile worse thing else. I think he's going to go places. I don't think is gonna stay Jackson. And I think that whatever he moves to a bigger team. Somehow he will lead that go. I really think that can need to some fashion advice. She will listen to a were but cast. No, he does. He he text me regularly that he enjoys the show very much. And obviously he won't be so thrilled with our fashion comments about him today. But we gotta we gotta speak the truth Willie. We got Spitzer truth, speak the truth. Well, anyway, the money, and and and put Schettino or elder eagles in some way. But you're right me on it. Looks more like car, exactly. But. Yes. Anyway, it's. What a thrilling day and and. I it was released to remember for. Sure. Yes. It was a day a week to remember. I mean, as you say, I don't think we've ever had such a glorious forty-eight hours of football. Hopefully Premier League's final weekend doesn't let up and that the the excitement continues it most certainly will continue into the final of this Champions League on June first. So you won't have any episodes between now. And then, but we will most certainly be coming at you with all all forces presence enthusiasm at all time high to discuss Tottenham versus Liverpool in the final Willie. I can't wait to talk with you and read about the final in on June. First looking forward to bio means tweet at me at maks Baril pods. Share your thoughts on the final to come and stay just stay loose until June first. But until then. That's the end of stoppage-time.

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Round of 16 Matchday 2 Recap

Stoppage Time: Champions League

19:07 min | 2 years ago

Round of 16 Matchday 2 Recap

"Ah? What's up everybody? Welcome to the start of stoppage time. I am your host max Baril, and this is your podcast devoted to the Champions League. I have no co host the evening but bear with me. I think we can still keep things relevant and entertaining my pillow but of shorter episode. But if you tuned in yesterday to the our coverage with the professor Willie cats Baril, you might be saying in what max I could do with the shorter episode because you guys meant for over an hour is today on just two games. But I don't think I can do do you an hour long episode all by myself. But don't worry we've done this before we have some experience. Hopefully, those weren't miserable experiences for you. And we have some right ends today to keep things moving along. And we have to particularly exciting games to talk about. So I hope you stick with us. But unfortunately, read who is scheduled to be on the show again today is quite ill. And is and is apparently drugged out of his mind. Now, I said this was probably actually in response to Manchester United's massive loss yesterday. And he's just. Totally knocked out. He says he has a Lexus censh- as Itis the symptoms being completely impossible to move or really get a hold of anything. Anyway, let's talk about today's games will will run through Tottenham Hotspur verses Dortmund and I ex against Real Madrid. And we'll get ourselves ready for next week with more fascinating games on Tuesday and Wednesday. Let's start with Tottenham three Borussia Dortmund nil. It was song in the forty seventh minute who opened the scoring for Tottenham Hotspur with a fantastic volley on the cross from Tongan. And then in the eighty third minute was ver- Tongan with a lovely volley. On a fantastic cross that he was on the receiving end of. And then who of all people does my reading the scoresheet correctly for Nando Yordan Tei in the eighty sixth minute made it three nail to Tottenham haw surprise Kelso. Prize twist to say, the least I guess maybe unless you're or Tottenham fan, and even then I'm sure you were maybe a little caught off guard. Let's get into it at not a real person on Twitter writes in and says max, you predicted Dortmund would progress and the Tottenham would be too exhausted. How are you feeling now while you're right at not a real person? I meet my words, I mean that humble pie as our Dortmund. I certainly caught off guard. Today's game was the first half a little cagey Dortmund had a few chances. But. All the credit to punch, Tino and his managerial work there at halftime. Kind of reset his squad had his team pressing higher up the pitch put that pressure on Dortmund, the that they were just frankly, not able to cope with realize that if Dortmund are kind of sitting on the ball that they're feel good about themselves. But maybe aren't quite as a quick to handle a little bit of pressure. And it showed one hundred percent extremely impressed with Tottenham today and with Paci. No specifically because I think today was a a coaching masterclass from him. And I think that was kind of really the big decision maker. Although I mean for Tonga and playing a left wing back son who's just filling in for hurricane like, nobody's business. I mean, he looked so amazing since he's kind of returned to to Spurs since the Asian Cup. He's on fire. The team really looked solid. I mean, Lucas had an amazing shot early on that was just. Seem like whiskers wide would have been a third fantastic volley that he volleyed up to himself, and then you to feel good for your intake who has kind of been a punching bag as of late Pocchettino saying he does no real future unless everyone is injured then yes, you have to use them and credits him forgetting that. I mean, what is a crucial goal to say you going up three nil. They've got to feel pretty good going back to Germany now, obviously Dortmund is a team you can never fully count out. But I, you know, our Tottenham really going to give up three goals to send this all to extra time or four goals and lose outright. I don't think. So from what I saw today Dortmund, or you know, are in for some trouble on the home leg as well. It'll be fascinating to see how they adjust. But three nil is a pretty big hole to to climb out of. I don't know this. This this approach with goats as like false number nine leading the line. He's just not fast enough to deal with that kind of role. I don't think he is suited to it. And it showed Tottenham credit. I think they looked as I say the obviously watch better in the second half. They had a few risky moments in the first half a few maybe kind of lapses in concentration, but Dortmund were the ones who really suffered with the lapses and conversation concentration. And if you bed choices very impressed as I say with Tottenham, they didn't look tired in the slightest. They looked totally in control. They looked quite deadly. I mean, this isn't necessarily game. You would say felt like three nil. It was kind of like all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom. You're up three nil. And Dortmund, I think are gonna pay the price quite. I think this is it's just I think it's too much to come back from but never count anybody out especially a team like Dortmund who are playing very strong. But this was a surprise. It was a fun game to watch all credits at Tottenham and their fans. It seemed like Wembley was Iraq Rockin. And so I am excited to see. I'm excited to see how adjusts in the second half neymar after jeez win yesterday, saying, you know, this is really all just halftime now. Right. You can't play scared in the second half. You can't get to defensive over a lead. And I don't think Tottenham by the type of team to play overly defensively in the second game just to protect a lead. But it'll be interesting to see how both teams adjust but Tottenham in all. Applause all around you. You certainly certainly pulled through in a big way. It's gonna be fascinating. Now, as it seems like their Champions League March will go on and their Premier League March goes on as well how they're going to keep up with these two extremely important competitions. But pretty good start so far anyway, needless to say, clearly, very impressed. Very surprised, and I was I was very entertained by the game despite in the end a lopsided scoreline. But but an exciting game nonetheless. All right moving on reality. Drid two I x one. Kareem Benza opened the scoring in these sixtieth minute on a fantastic finish after a kind of diverting run by Venecia's junior that he picked the right pass at the right moment. It was a great finish really fantastic. Build up play Zeke level things up for in the seventy fifth minute with a nice finish. But Marco Asensio sealed the win for Real Madrid in a potentially you'd probably say controversial game. I ask thought they scored in the first half. But their goal was ruled to be a foul. I believe if I understand it correctly. Vare overturned to me. I think I act scored I think that's a their first goal was a goal. One hundred percent. I don't you know. Yes, there player with standing in front of the Real Madrid goalie, but it seemed it did not seem like in any sort of. It didn't seem like a foul or impeding play per se to me. And it doesn't look offsides to me unless I'm counting the players incorrectly. But. Yeah. So I dunno. I disagreed with the to me, you know, maybe it's a spirit of the law letter of the law situation. But to me I asked deserve that first goal. They the fans I mean, you could hear in the stadium in Amsterdam. The absolute fury over the decision at halftime at fulltime all the time. They were absolutely furious. And I think rightfully so I mean, they're clearly the underdog going up against now, you know, champions multiple times over in Real Madrid. And to to feel like you get a little bit of bad luck. Like that is is unfortunate Real Madrid. You know, didn't look super great in the first half. And then when I asked when I thought I accident score. I really thought we were in route for my prediction, which was you know, this Amsterdam. I XE victory Real Madrid being outclassed but Real Madrid. They showed their little bit of their own class and metal. In the second half credit to them for that. I mean, the the Benza goal the lead up to it. And the finish was was quite was quite excellent. You know, they were saying on TV like, oh, you know, they're really playing the champ, you know, the champions. I don't think so, but they played well enough in the second half and credit to them for Nino seeing through to make sure they actually were victorious Benza looking good Venecia's junior. Looking very good bail. You know, not really seeing much from him. Anyway, it was a little I I wanted. I x to win. I think Real Madrid. I think this felt like a tie. At at best case scenario, I think this felt like a tie the referee kind of took that from ex, but it is what it is. I think I XE are certainly not out of it. Although giving to away goals to Real Madrid is never good. When you think that they're going to have to now win to nil in Madrid? In order to win. A one one nil is not going to do it for them. That is that's a big task for them. Not to say that it's completely out of the conversation. I think you know, they're a team that does clearly like to push forward and can play with a lot of bravado swashbuckling style. If you will. But. It's it's gonna be a big task especially with Real Madrid. You know, they have so much experience in these situations that have the lead I think they know how to protect it in the right way. But we'll see the they also have a lot of young players that you know, a lot of their players have moved on. And so we'll see. But, but I I don't know. Let's see we have also on Twitter at I'm making these names up seriously is road into say Todd itch almost scored in the first half of the mazing bending shot. It seemed like, sir. He'll romo's pushed him a little bit from behind was that a penalty. Max, I think it was well on making these names up I have to disagree with you. It seemed pretty light people like to pick on romo's because of his some of his more nefarious moments. But while it was almost a fantastic finish. I don't think it would have been a penalty. So. Anyway, let's see another right in here. We've got a message from at seriously, no one wrote in and I'm just making up names said max Real Madrid had the lead. I xe. Are they are you sticking with your prediction? Well at seriously, no one wrote in and I'm gonna have to make up names. I think Real Madrid are probably gonna carry it. They have so much experience. But if I x and I wouldn't count them out completely. I could see them winning two nil. The next game. I think they have enough of the ability to score those two goals. Will they have a tendency to give up goals? That's the problem. You know, you're already behind. You can't give up goals, especially with the. You're down to on away goals. Not good. But if they do it's going to make their Cinderella story all the more spectacular credit to Courtois had a few amazing saves wants politically on. Franken young that was fantastic save every every key save at this point make such a difference. But. Yeah. I feel like I it's it's tough to you think you've had this break breakthrough. It's a huge emotional moment. And to have that taken away. I think that hurts. The morale a little bit hurts them a little bit. Anyway, let's see at killing time says maximum about the x fans being arrested outside Real Madrid's hotel for setting off fireworks. I did at killing time. I you see this every year typically around the final of one group of fans tormenting the hotel of the other of the opposing team trying to keep the players awake. Not letting them sleep. I think it's such a classless move. I hate when I see those kind of articles. It's so stupid like these these fans trying to take into the so desperate for their own agency over the situation like they are going to help decide the tie. And you're trying to watch your pl- two groups of players some of the best players in the world. Play a game and see the skill and like to see these kind of just childish moves. It's it's annoying to say the least but glad to say they're actually caught and arrested for it. Because they deserve it. Anyway, Real Madrid. Take the lead as as Tottenham. As I said Borusia Dortmund, I think it's a near impossible task not impossible. That's hyperbolic to say the least but a series uphill climb. I certainly uphill. But you know, it's reachable you can see the peak and happy Zeke finally got a goal. He's been you know, as we know from the group stage blast shots from left. And right. Glad he got on the scoresheet. And I'm still rooting for you, I, but I think probably a little too much giving up two goals at home. But we shall see. And that's what makes it also exciting. All right. Those are today's games only two games and only not that much back and forth here obviously fairly straightforward. I'd love to hear even after the fact what you think so by all means tweet at me at max Baril pods just like at made up name at I'm seriously making these names up and at killing time did earlier, so. Share your thoughts on your favorite team or your least favorite team or any team? Love to hear from you next week. We have the other half of the first round of games. So of course, Tuesday and Wednesday the nineteenth and the twentieth. Obviously the nineteenth got Liam Barcelona and Liverpool Byron Munich. I'll be watching that one with everything I've got very curious to see how that turns out, although Barcelona Leone, I think could be a very exciting game as well. And then at let's go Madrid Juventus on the twentieth as well as shelter and man city as we were talking yesterday with on the episode with Willie. I think let's go Juventus has the potential to be a kind of overly, you know, tactical. Game potentially frustrating game fouls. I don't know. I'm not expecting a high scoring game. Even though you're gonna have so many amazing players on the pitch. But who knows maybe they'll blow the doors off of it? So you'd almost say, well, I watch the other game it might be more exciting. But shall command city feels two lopsided? So let's go Madrid Juventus, we'll have obviously extra attention. But that game. I mean, really I think my other than PS G Man United which turned out to be lopsided in its own way. I think it let's go Madrid Venice is the title watch. I think those are two teams that have semi-final potential and one will leave in the round of sixteen as you have to do. So we shall see. But I'm excited for next week. It's nice not to have any weeks off will be right back with you next week. And then of course, we fast forward then into March March fifth and sixth and then March twelfth and thirteenth and I'll take us through the round of sixteen. But of course, we'll be with you through all of that as well. As through the quarterfinals semifinals and finals itself as I said feel free to tweet AMI AmEx Baril pods at any point share, your thoughts on the Champions League action of the day or just the cumulative effect. And I might read your thoughts on the next episode. Give your your best wishes to read for a swift recovery. We need him back next week. Ideally, he'll be on Wednesday to. Doc, let's go Madrid event is with me. And we'll have the professor back on Tuesday to discuss Liverpool and Byron Reed. Can't stomach a Liverpool day just in case they win. I might be biased. But at least stick with you through thick and thin. Anyway, I wish you all fantastic weekend. I hope the Champions League has treated your team. Well, of course, it can only treated half of your teams. Well, but you know, what I mean, and I'm excited to talk with you next week and keep the momentum rolling. But until then that is the end of stoppage-time.

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Caught Offside: Caught Offside Cup

Caught Offside

1:18:34 hr | 1 year ago

Caught Offside: Caught Offside Cup

"Caught Offside with Andrew gumming and JJ Davani. Oh yes caught offside from the upper upper west side of Manhattan Andrew Bundling and J. J. Devaney what's up brother. It's quite weak Andrew. Flight Week McGregor sironi Oh espn Saturday night. Not that I'm GonNA fight with you. Okay no because people have complained that people had the podcast. Course I think people have had it. I don't believe that to be the case but they do want us to whiteness. And it's not a contrived thing we re genuinely just disagree. Look I'm I'm not GONNA start pretending to agree on things just to appease people I don't. I don't think that people want that either so I don't know whatever the show has been it's going to continue to be now. I'm sorry you say what it has been what it will continue to be. People are looking for a segment. Andy's life problems. Yeah and these issues. I saw tweeted a poll about that people wanted wall. I'M NOT GONNA force that every week doesn't happen every week. It happens a lot though. Well well maybe I am telling me a lot about certain things. We'll be walking down the hallway and you go. Weirdest thing happened today. Actually I did have one today. I'll do it real quick because I wanted wanted to get to know. Say to the end all right all right market me. Write it down because I'll forget. Yeah this was actually quite annoying. The gold it doesn't happen all the time though. But it happened today on the train You know what I was GonNa say at the start of this. PODCAST was kind of dreading this podcast. In particular. And Look I've grown immune to doing these shows after Tottenham losses to Liverpool in the cough side. Cop It doesn't even move me anymore. The game ended did and I was pretty emotional about it until you obviously had to text me. GotTa do a show on Monday while this is fresh. Our heads can't wait to talk about it. Yeah me neither UNBELIEV- but no but the only reason is I already know I've been getting the tweets of people who are tired of US arguing about out stuff and I already know before we even start this podcast that we're going to disagree on something and I'm already I'm just preemptively annoyed about it and so I don't know what else like. Let's be calm and rational then. Oh yeah well. I think we always try to be that. It's just I guess you get annoyed at my passion and then I get annoyed at your contempt for my five us and your smugness on my opinion genuinely. I'm not that way. I'm just just believe that I am. I know you do Yeah so we'll we'll talk about the caught Offside Cup Sergio Guero has to be mentioned of course The US as we speak. I don't know if the press conference has wrapped but Brian McBride is now the GM of US men's soccer so they he spoke this morning him and Ernie the store. I think there's we'll we'll go through some of it because I still don't know if there's total clarity over everyone's roles here no now So we will talk about that. Maybe in the second half of the popular even what a general manager will actually do and he he does lay it out. I don't know if you've seen some of this. But he does lay out some of his responsibilities but I just sometimes him and Ernie Stewart I just worry about overlap versus collaboration ration- I duNNo. It's kind of feels a little bit. Like unchartered territory. which doesn't necessarily mean that this is bad in the past different in the panic after not qualifying for Russia twenty eighteen? It does feel like there were jobs created to address issues but they are now the same job job one create time machine and Reinstall Jurgen Klinsmann and as manager because we would have made it to the semi finals of the World Cup Let's see here all right. Let's just start with the big story from the weekend. Of course on this show Tottenham Verse Liverpool One nil it goes to Liverpool. They just simply they don't lose even when they don't play great It's just the way it is Tottenham. Were Kinda just very Tottenham E in this In certain ways in fact here I have. I don't think we're talking to me at all Tom. Well well in that. They lost to Liverpool in Austin that they struggled to create well they had a few legit great goalscoring opportunities but when when they decided to play after around seventy minutes. Yeah but for the most part like if you go back to pre Marino Pocchettino really like second half of last season. Listen Positano up. Through now Tottenham have kind of been this team that are not possession based and are counterattacking based and. I think that that is again what they were yesterday. I would disagree with that. They also were also even in the midst even in the midst of that Collapse at the end of last season in all in everything but the Champions League in the midst of that you had a trip to Anfield where by anybody's admission. If we're being totally fair you should have come away with the minimum of little probably with three points. Considering the chances that we're spurred there was every chance. There is every possibility that that should have happened. But but but anyway this is what they have been. Counterattacking signed that is not possessing the ball against against teams that are of their quality or better than even against Iraq's they allow. I mean it was all their goals. Were counterattacking goals. This with with patterns of play things happened. There was interchanges this is this is where I knew it was going to go so I have my observations. I want to hear from you. You're the spurs fan I will. Here's here's the issue that I have with with people and you happen to be sitting in that chair so it's going to feel like it's directed at you but it's just kind of a narrative at large people hate Josie Marino. And that's it and they do and so because he's cocky because you know because of the way he is because people don't always love the brand of football that he plays people have decided over the course of years that they don't liked him and so they are going to fit their narratives about him into a box. And this applies to Tottenham fans applies to non Tottenham fans and I feel like there is a sense of not being totally fair with our judging the way things are progressing right under I mean. Let's forget it's Josie Marino there. I mean look at the way that team was said. Open that first. Half Total and utter submission. It was at times there was six at the back with four in front of it. When they got the ball eventually law of averages they got the ball back they well-needed needed up anywhere? What was interesting the couple of times things came? Offer them where they pressured Henderson with his back to them created added a chance where there was a mistake by Gomez they created a chance but like for most of that half. It was total an author submission and they still conceded a goal. Right now the stats are around. You Tottenham have never ever ceded control of again like this to annual their team now. Oh here's here's a Liverpool Fan. Liverpool are an excellent side right now but taught them didn't even try and test limitations of that midfield test the fatigue of the aside until twenty minutes towards the end. But that's not what Marino wanted. Marina went into this game. Hyping Liverpool praising Liverpool complaining about his lack of options person's and and just sit seeding the game to Liverpool beforehand until the second half when I think there was a dawning realization that Liverpool weren't quite data's it was only one nil at halftime and Tottenham player ten fifteen yards higher up the field and started to get some success as Liverpool. Tired more more more than that though. You know we have this manager talking about options this dot look at the difference assessable made when he came onto the field. Like I contacted Ontai of it that you have this player. That was sort transformative in the Spanish league on so coveted by the previous manager and he's left idling titling on the bench when the impacting mid equipment that made throughout the entire game would have been amazing but look. This is what I said at half-time tell him I tweeted. This out. Marino was expected to set up this way. He didn't disappoint that said. What a bleak on imaginative game plan? You know. Maybe I'm the idiot coming on here. Complaining about what I and everyone else who's watched him for the last decade. saw coming down the tracks. This is what you're gonNA get with from him against everybody except except the absolute wreck on we should just get on with it. Maybe I should stop complaining. Then you need to tell me. What is the right way to play against this Liverpool team? Because they're beating everybody Marino sets up into defensive style. He didn't play one point. Is that's up in defensive style against them for one half he concedes just one goal and then like you just said with your own words he had half time he's and then changes things and they get themselves back into the game. So what is the reason that everyone is doing at the acting from position position of look. I'm I'm telling you what you have is not good enough. We don't have Harry can apart. From the fact they went to a Champions League final. Got Two champions apposite. Finally Without Harry can you don't have. There's no other way what he says you is. There's no other way this can be you. Adjust your expectations nations accordingly and at the end. We've got a tweet like this from from Brandon. Who seems like a lovely guy I must say the game against Liverpool was the first time I saw a proper Marino performance? uh-huh Tonga is the future of this back link. Thought he did well but he was playing as the second of two fullbacks in the site right Sanchez played arguably his best game in a spur short. I thought I'll I'll read was good as well Even though we came up empty there are a lot of positives to take away on honesty. Honesty I don't see them. It's going to be against the big sides and it just seems just seem so wrong from from what spurs where beforehand which was oppressing team a team that tried to get on the phone even if it lost. But I'm telling you they haven't been that in two years. They weren't that under Patino either either. And this is the same squad and you can brush aside Harry Kane not being there that matters Tangy and Dunblane not being there matters even Ben Davies playing ten ten Ganga because they have no choices Ben Davies not being there matters Mussa Soco not being there matters anyhow any hangs with Liverpool one nil where they have to legitimate scoring chances in the last twenty twenty minutes and people are still finding reasons to hate him. And that's what I'm saying is people are not judging him fairly. They're playing against the team and Liverpool that are crushing everyone but he hangs with them and nearly beats them at the end and we still want to do it. Andrew it was clear from early on that Liverpool weren't quite and yet nothing changed. Nothing changed until it was clear. You're from early on Liverpool weren't added. You could sorry taught them how to chances in the early stages one from a turnover from Henderson. The wasn't the fluidity in that midfield whatsoever. In fact in the second half Liverpool's still had all the ball and kept giving it away. It was an absolute travesty. Not something to be praised. The Tottenham didn't equalize. This is what I was sorry. Andrew twenty-seven percent from Jonathan Lou Ceylon young men are best attacking player did not have a single torch in the Liverpool half between thirty art minute and the sixtieth minute none of which would stop Marino attempting to spend the basic poverty of ambition. Assam Genius Master Plan. If we tried to play the way we did Marino. When you say in the last twenty minutes from the beginning I think we will collapse because the players are not used to playing in this style and they are not adopted we did the maximum we could do and unfortunately wii believe to be the case? I believe more in your team than you do. Well maybe that's true but I've also watched my team more than you have and I've seen them for two years now play like like that at a certain point. How many times can you see them? Play Competition of Liverpool's caliber and play this way. And you're going to get the next time I mean this is what is it. Four your window to nine league games now you know. It's not just against Liverpool. You're going away to Norwich and your and your drawing you know. The manager was brought into Duke something Andrew and he's not doing it and I don't believe will get any better and for what it's worth to like for this continued criticism they're not trying to. They actually outshot Liverpool in this game. Absolutely yeah so then. How can we argue both ways that you know he does not? He's not trying to win looking out shooting them in the process. Andrew Andrew what you and I know you have to watch the Games. Yes and you can't just go onto dry stat and you're not gonNA. You're not going to say to me watching that full ninety minutes. That oh shots. Equal Spurs dominance and that ties. Is it what we saw on the field. It absolutely does. I just think it's not fair for us. To Watch. Liverpool Rollover Everyone Tottenham being what they've been for a year and a half come into that game and then US criticize them for playing defensive style and trying to score goals on a counter. What anybody else would like to? I think. Going back to Brennan's too Brendan's Suite at the Classic Marino performance. I mean a classic Marino performance was When KLOPP went there to Old Trafford in the spring of twenty eighteen when Liverpool were were rolling at that time into the Champions League and we were beginning to see the genesis? The team right now mostly lower scoring all these goals on. He stopped them playing any one two nil. It's just diminishing returns as we saw united he would something will go wrong in night and he would say it was still go performance in what we tried to do in all this I just. I don't think it's going to work here. Andrew over for his style of play. And you you don't have to face Liverpool every week. But I just when when he doesn't get the results like he didn't against Norwich like you almost didn't against Brighton. When you when those things start to happen like you heard the Tottenham Crow yesterday? Yeah I mean from about the thirtieth minute like screaming at the team to do anything other than just sit back six four zero that either me or you could have come there is i. I I believe that there is clear. goalpost moving with him like we are. We are reshaping the boundaries for how we can find ways nowhere to size and he has. I know I'm saying to find ways to criticize the things he does. He gets there all. Well now it's Marino. He's never gonNA play young players well. He just gave a youth player his debut against Liverpool yesterday. But nobody's going to praise him for that instead they're going to praise them for being too negative. I think you could have had the classic marie-noelle job with the Los Altos School. The I mean I don't know how he missed. And it would have been one mourn and Tottenham fans will be buying what he said. No one is saying the things that they're saying about Marino today. If Lasalle so scores that goal or if son score I I I I. I couldn't have watched that game people with annual their opinion. I'm telling you people will finish their goals. Entrance to one to Tottenham. People are taught all classic Marino. Job What he does. They defended against the best attacking team in the world. Then he found a way to score two goals. It's a brilliant Marino performance. But these guys they didn't convert their chances but again it goes back to what I'm saying. He's not doing what he used to do. And I mean we saw it at United as well and it's followed through and look I don't know what else to say. I just know. Oh already do you feel good about where this team is. No but I didn't feel good about where they were six months ago either and feel good about the direction in which the manager can you see things that he's doing when we think not yet and what are the. What did I told you for every week? The last month that people have started making their judgments about Marino before he's even had a January transfer window before he said even had a full week until this week this was his first full week without mid week matches for him to be. You know getting his team. Ready for late He needs more than three months than to. How long has it actually actually been three months? Three months take taken over. Two months has taken them. It's taken a maximum. Two Games to make spurs look exactly like Manchester United towards the end of his tenure. But yeah they weren't coming from a place of strength. I don't understand how people believed that. No things were the same exact team that we'll have a couple of months ago and team that we have now and like everything was going to be completely. He advanced them into the knockout stage of the Champions League and he brought them back into the race for top so the the only way they can be is what they are. No there can be no other way you know. But I'm just like I'm saying more than two months of him being there to find out what they can i. Just you're making a judgment. After Liverpool after a Tottenham Liverpool game. This is Jewish. Madonna is a goal that you're right everyone. Everyone has judgments on having to having to watch the Brighton. Game where Spurs fans got upset and. That's another thing. He's brilliant at like he kind of just. He has a way of uniting the fan base behind. What I don't believe is anything anything watch and the performs against Brighton? I remember I tweeted. I can't watch spurs anymore like I'll have to give this a swerve this dreadful and you know people the jump on you for what you mentioned before about Lasalle so not playing like this is now a narrative that's exploded out of nowhere. Everybody thought Christian Erickson Eriksson should be getting meaningful minutes and now we saw him play games. Then who who's the guy that should be playing Ericsson's to Erickson's credit. He played one of the most prescience passes of the entire game. He bad yesterday or was he playing for most of the game in this like deep lying defensive role with everybody else backs to the wall kind of job I mean he's not GonNa Thrive in that position. Anyway it was. That team was never said up to be any good. And it's not either or you can play on him together and Ben onto saying that. Who's WHO's The guy that Lasalle says playing over and we'll see it now? He's going to go into the starting eleven now because he had a good twenty minutes that he came on. And so they're gonNA they're gonNA see where that goes but like is he doing i. I would be surprised if he didn't start playing more. Certainly I thought he thought he came on and played well. We thought the same about Valium and we don't know he's heard well. I mean that's what we heard from him but Marino will kind of intimated that he wanted him to play more regardless. Or you know we don't know where we are with this guy for marinas frustrate within dominate. Because he wants him to be playing and this guy can't stay healthy and that is frustrating to a new manager. WHO's trying to figure out what his team is in dumbly would be perfect for this team? A defensive midfielder who pushed the play forward forward. They don't have that now so they're gonNA make the top four no. I felt that way for a while. Now I don't see a top four side when I watched them play. I thought I don't put that all on him. I thought in the second half and I was exchanging texts with a friend of mine who is a higher coordinator profound but will never ever be afraid to text back and say when they're when we're not we're not up to it and he's like we need to get out of this somehow. We were absolutely gassed. I that was that was outside of. There's actually a couple of moments against uaw-ford where it were always worried. Were offered Chaddesden scored but the chances two chances in particular that Spurs Car Cardis Open. I was like that's the thing with Liverpool. Is I think now. They're they're reputation has become more important than their actual performance. And by that I mean like with Tottenham in the the first half of this game teams are now entering games against Liverpool and submitting just expecting in some ways expecting the worst and teams are. I mean look you can probably count on a couple of hands the teams that have gone at Liverpool in the League. And come away victorious. Aureus I mean how many. How many times has that happened over the last two years any once? Manchester teams teams who've given to decided to really go at them and one doing doing it bombing. It's probably lost any games so it's probably more times at team so what I'm saying is it's probably more times in the last two years. That teams have gone at Liverpool and gotten utterly embarrassed again. Yeah but if you look at the run the run of the last few games android I mean Liverpool have had ten one. Nil draws are sorry one new throws when the wins over the over. The course of the season they blew the second place team Leicester Away but if you look at the last one games who else did they blow away. Nobody a lot of teams have been in it right to the end including Blackford at home. Oh so well yeah I mean that look. That's a sign of a great team. We say sometimes that they're able to not always have and they continue to win. It is a sign though that it's is not exactly like they've had it their own way. Look them away at villa where they had to get it right at the death and that is where you come back to you. Look at the spurs than you think they should have add more go. It's it's really that simple again. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA disagree. Sad forty five minutes of playing defensive of against the world's best team to me is not an egregious error reassess at halftime came out more attacking. I just don't I just don't understand why that's unusual. The people hate him decided. Yeah but once upon a time there was he had this thing about him where he could sit in a little block and then he would cut you open open and where was it but I also heard this. Also he didn't have a center for. Yeah he's he doesn't have those players but again even even rash for he was able to do something with Cochran rash for that day against KLOPP and get the goals any needed. I different Liverpool today. It's the best team in the world and it's not close okay. So all right. Well I'm not trying to convince you I didn't realize I actually thought we'd have. I thought you'd be a little bit closer to me and how I saw the gamble. No I'm I'm just not ready. Look here's what I'll say like because I know the majority agree with you on this like I said I wouldn't think so the way people feel about Marino I soon I see the things people are saying about him. I've just grown. I feel like this is just too reactionary for me to hate this guy so early on his and I asked you to you do one thing stop seeing hate. Hit The guy that is ridiculous. I in fact his Internet version of his team. I absolutely love it. I'm saying he's been the subject subject of mockery for a for a while. And you know what I said myself. It's being unfair. But we his his just his attitude towards the game now is not in sync with the trends of the game right now and so what. If he's noticing some people say well it. The fact is the problem with him. Be Noticing. Because it's not working anymore and here's what I will say if there is a day then when I agree with that I will say that lay on I will not just universally love him or however it is that I I don't I don't but I'm just saying that like this amount of time coming off of this game against that opponent like it just felt like I I read. Maybe it's because I read Nick Miller's piece at ESPN NFC where he just crushes him for decisions made in this game against Liverpool. And like I just feel like nick. This guy has been there for such a short amount of time. And you want to wait until he's played a team. Maybe as good as any primarily team we've ever seen potentially and you WanNa wait for that moment to crushingly I think he has failed with Tottenham. I will say it but I just don't believe that it's fair to say that yet. What I'm seeing the Games when way is on a meeting people who Andrew Drew Games before this were calling were saying this is this is late stage Marino already? Okay we gotta move all right. We'll move on to Manchester Chester city. And really there's not a ton to say about when Manchester City beats up on Asamoah when six one. There's a bit in the mail bag. We gotta discuss okay The the only things I want to say about it well. I'll get Sergio Aguire on a SEC. Because he's he's incredible but also want to talk about Kevin Debrecen real quickly. Because I say all the time that there there are different types of assists not every assist is created equal and he in my mind continues to be the king of the true goal scoring assist. Do you handle the one ball. He Played Gabriel J. Zeus were all Jay Z's has to do is just walk into it and put it in the net. I feel like no one. Does it more than Debrecen. He's is incredible at it. And it's it's really really fun to watch when he was the ball to the back post right right hand technically across. But I think it's a new type across. He saw aw accurate coaches and in the past and even managers who go on. TV Andrew would say he's done well. He's just drilled it into that corridor of uncertainty between goalkeeper and last defender put. It seems much more. It seems less heat and hope than in previous generations. It's like he's actually actively picking someone out any the as. Oh Yeah but there's degree of difficulty and the the regularity which with which he does. It is just stunning and today I mean the weekend was set up for him. Yesterday was set up from to go wild and he didn't he didn't know he was great but really it was raptured into heaven. I've heard people say that before But really the story of this game is well. The Positive Story of this game is Sergio. Aguayo hat trick. He now becomes the Primer League's all-time foreign born player liar In terms of goals scored passing and now causing people to start debating whether or not he is the greatest striker in the history of the League. I won't say the whole first division but will say in the primarily era. Yeah and you know his numbers on his level of consistency over a number of seasons. Means if you're being fair gets in ahead of of Luis Suarez or someone of that and I have no qualms without whatsoever now now. It was interesting I read Mark Ogden. who was kind of saying well? He doesn't get the credit he deserved. And we've talked about that before. He's only made one the EP l.. All eleven and that wasn't until twenty eighteen I mean. How many great years did you have before that? Right and Marikina goes the angle of you know. We'll why is this the case he's he he wrote. This does not seek publicity or use the media to his advantage. I'm playing for city. has also impacted on a state has beyond the United Liverpool and Arsenal Are Much bigger clubs on a global scale and city and Kamar Command far greater media. Attention the also fire deeper reservoirs of supporters who help raise the profile of their star players. It's so true. I mean if you're looking at the clubs in the top flight right now. They're Arsenal Manchester. United unlivable historically with deep fan bases around the world and that does make a difference but also I think from my point of view why I think of Anri. I'll think of shearer before him is because with the city he project we're all the money came in there. Was this totally unfair. In my view view of well they paid all this money. He's doing what he's supposed to do I. I don't think it's your right but it's wrong for me to think that way. Not Wrong for me. To think city are what they are because of money but wrong for me to just expect him like it shouldn't diminish his talent or ability but I think you're right in that that perception exists and it's why he doesn't necessarily receive the athletes because has when when he slashed as a team. Do something well. I almost feel like there's a a general boredom with it because because like you said it's just what is expected expected. If you're going to do the things and put a lineup out there that they have. This is what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah and and and and any kind of thing or any kind of piece of art that's described as a project. Are you know some kind of long term plan is kind of diminished. It's not not organic. We don't think of it in the same way as we think of other teams and that's probably correct put. It should not take away from what Sergio Guero has done. There had been big transfers was coming to clubs with lots of money Mataya Kashmir and. I'm looking at you at early stage Chelsea and what happened there. Nothing Yeah Mark. Ogden said in that article that if Aguayo had done this while wearing read the perception of him would be completely different. That's fair ops. Probably true his goals per minute scores a goal in the premier league once every hundred six minutes that is of all players who have come through the League who have scored at least twenty goals that is by far by far the best scoring rate. Harry Kane is second at one hundred twenty one minutes per goal and then on one hundred twenty two. He still has eighty five odd to get close to shearer. Well yes that's I mean what's that that's another another three seasons worth. He's going to be thirty four. We'll catch what is Wayne Rooney at two eight zero eight Andy Cole. At one eight seven. So he's going on Lampert at one seventy seven so he's going to go past Andy Colour would imagine look Lampard for midfielder. Yeah right up yeah always arriving late. It's just it's the consistency from Guero more than twenty twenty goals in six of his eight seasons. So maybe there's a boredom with that too like he never has this kind of like forty goal season but he never sinks below like fifteen. He's just kind of like solid every single year. I think the fact you don't hear him speak very much at all. It is is a thing like Alan Shearer in the midst of the Blackburn days as Mike in front of his face after again Newcastle. The same a guero. Not so much. He leaves a kind of A. If you saw the the Amazon Prime Documentary Chan City. They cleaned up a closeted life. It's not he's not out in a boat that much. He certainly not like autumn. Mindy putting pictures in the Mur looked like a Halloween costume. Assume he thought he look Sean. Bruin put the the lyrics from crazy town. Coal Milady Qom Qom Malate sock. Because he didn't look like a guy from crazy Yeah let's stay with this game for sack because I know you've had some thoughts on Danny drink water. I was monitoring your twitter account or the show's account as this game was transpired. Inspired both okay. It seemed like you WanNa get some things off your chest about them but I I feel bad for him first of all because the the first three goals that ushered the people out of Villa Park were you know he was at fault. You could pick fought with them in nearly all of them and in one of them he registered an assist. I think it was Myers. His second goal where where you try to turn in the box look. was anybody going to go in there. And Stop City in that form. Maybe not but just that Dean Smith Myth. You know his comments. This isn't a gamble. How can you expect a guy who has not played any minutes in almost two years to come in and and make an impact against a downhill city is just oh my God? I mean everyone saw this coming a couldn't believe when he was starting now again. What what options did did they really have? Not a ton but even still the way he said it up Connor Horon not the most defensive of midfielders and drink drinkwater beside each other screening. Back four and trying to stay compact no and we know the results were simply what was jarring was him trying to track Brana. You'll gassed debris with breezing by him and it just goes to show his lack of games. I mean things are getting kind of hot and hot and steamy therefore Dean Smith at the park Some other quick hits before we take a quick break here for Arsenal more or frustration. Another one one that they might have been fortunate to have any play down a man for in the end. Yeah roughly a the third almost half an hour but they were very good for the first half Andrew. They scored a excellent goal through Obama Yang and then should follow it up with a goal from Nicholas Pat Bay but he he had a bad. I told when he told me two things. Both you mentioned both just now that I wanted to mention you see the for the goal that Arsenal scored and like I can just. I'm not an an arsenal fan. But it's in moments like that where you can get in their head 'cause like that is the brand of soccer that I feel like they believe. They should be playing consist of like what they were in those Bergkamp on three years and just when van was at his best like it was it was great. It looked easy on the eye. And so like you can just sense the frustration creation of. Why can't we bottle that? Why can't we do that? More often. I guess it's just simply that they don't like anyone can bus that out. I guess every once in a while but they don't don't have consistent talent to be able to know I guess their managers trying to get them back to that. If Pepe doesn't take such a heavy I think he scores a low with ways. Being the season you're not guaranteed lead of that no but he's there is a maddening element to him. Yeah and you can tell your right like it's sometimes. I hope this doesn't come across too unfair. I see what Saudi-omani is now and he's he's maybe a top three player in the world but I try to remember to what he was like three or four years ago and I feel like he had a little bit of that. You're likely you used to call it all the time. You said he was the best most frustrating striker in the league. And it's not that long ago it's eight fifteen months ago. You said that all right maybe and I feel like you know pepe as a lot younger But you know there. People are going to get frustrated with now when they see stuff like that happened. But I'm telling you like. He does a lot of the hard work. It's the end that he just can't seem to get right. If I were arsenal I would stay with it. Stay with it. Fans tried to be patient with him. He's young he's raw but you can tell that like he'll figure it out at some point I really. I really do believe that when he does. I really think he can be a tremendous player but the red card for a bum Yang. I thought it was right Yeah and people are making parallels between that and the Robertson Tackle on Tonga which also listen could have been could have been but you have to see the difference. Difference between the two whereas Obama's tracking him he can see him Robertson. Takes a heavy touch on. Wins the ball and then goes follows through now look letter the law. That's a problem but I I think there was more malevolence in what Obama Yanked. I mean if we want to put them into tiers of Red Cards yes bombing is is probably more of a sure thing but like players like. I don't think taking a heavy touch should be. You should be rewarded with. Not Getting he nips and then gets the ball right which which proves to me again. Intent doesn't matter and look if you WanNa say it was a card. Yeah okay but I don't. It was a follow through anti-gang As opposed to tracking him seeing him and then just hacking him like Obama did also one other thing from this arsenal game. We have Louise. I'm not saying like can I be fair before you begin what you're going to say I hate cutting across it blah. Yeah you saw him step into Midfield Them Ping that pass into begin the move for gold. We saw another chance earlier on where he plays a lovely ball over the top. That puts I think it was Pat Barrack Obama Yang in and he plays collapse snatching and they have a chance or whatever like he he was doing good creative things but they needed David Luiz things like it was his Leroy Jenkins moment like or have we got that drop. I don't know but like if you've never sure people have seen it it's like a fifteen year old reference awesome. I'd never known it until you told me. Yeah but like you know. We're setting up a set piece. The game is tight like people are getting into position and then he just like up steps Leroy Jenkins not. Don't worry everyone. I got this any fires. One forty yards over the net into the Standards Laureus because it never had a hope it was rising all all the time and it was just like everyone screaming Yay and he turns onto. It's fine. It's fine what are you doing like from that distance now. He's hit some some really good free kicks from decent distances. He did one at Anfield. He did one for Brazil against Colombia. I think in a corporate America or World Cup car remember which but put. That was well that must have been sixty fifty five year. If you're going to do that if it goes right then you just the goal of the year but when it goes wrong and you've tried it you're GonNa get made fun of especially when it's that bad. NBC Did a great job. They just tweeted out that free kick. It was perfect. It's everything Let's see Chelsea in the united. They each grab must needed wins Didn't see the Chelsea game but presuming. It was fairly comprehensive in that Burnley. Were kind of bad again. I actually didn't see that game either. I'm not GonNa lie but what we should probably not out of. That bunch was the United Game America's Rash Andrew Brace to take his league tallied fourteen working so far. It's twenty two years of age. That was his two hundred appearance for united unbelievable. Yeah crazy he gets the quicker than Cristiano Renaldo. Oh and Wayne Rooney but still ranks behind Ryan Giggs George Best and Norman whiteside but that's great company to be. Yeah and you wonder now if this young player pipeline will continue because Mason Greenwood starting to look more and more comfortable I I keep saying that someone along the line manager if if things go as expected expected with Greenwood and Rochford on Williams saw indeed the signing from Swazi. Whose name escapes me right now? James James. Why did that but if things go the way they should go for those players another manager is going to get the benefit of those players and won't be social but he should get the credit for bringing them through Yeah he's given these guys chances. I don't know who that other manager is going to be. There's when I was going to bring this up when we talk about Spain Spain but if we're talking about possible united managers now just say that. There's weird stories out of Barcelona now. We're just like behind the managers back. Other managers US are being approached by one particular. Why Javi though apart from being is managing currently and he's a Barcelona legend attire? Well Yeah but I'm saying put those like he's probably being much the way that maybe Franklin Park was being groomed to one day be Chelsea's manager like it's not crazy to think that a club legend legs Avi share method. But like but then I also read. Pacino was approached by Barcelona which would be supremely interesting after he the manager Spagnolo and said never he would never manage Barcelona but I don't know if football's like that though. Yeah yeah football life. They say makes separates out of all of us Let's see two other things the good and the bad right now in the lower half of the table what is going on with Southampton is truly impressive of And it is. I think you have to. You mentioned this and I would echo it that You really have to give some props to the the board at that club for staying with. Hasn't who it all through the disastrous nine nil threw a terrible start to the season and seeing it through and now they go back the team that beat them nine nil they come back around and beat that team and I'm sure this felt particularly good for them. Yeah Hasenhuttl said to BBC Radio Five. Live that the neal was was a big chance to do everything different and finding a way to get back to our fundamental is our philosophy to away of playing. That is really nice to watch so so he kind of looks at it as a fresh start a blank sheet after nine. There's no lower you can go. And obviously the team bought into that He spoke about Danny ings as well and he said that he's changed. The way plays not common deep as much and he's operating off the shoulder which you can totally see and that's what works. It's best from arriving into the box onto the ball. As opposed to dropping off and getting it and look at the way scored the winner that Ronin in on putting it between sh Michael's legs away away to get torch. You GotTa Give Credit Credit to the board on Housing Hotel because that is not what boards usually do after nine new no no Oh and he. He did acknowledge that in his interview. Like not too many people get a second chance after nine. No but clearly they saw and they were paying attention to what was happening at the club so credit to them because It's going well there however also on the South Coast Bournemouth. It is not and this is now. This is now truly become worrisome. Worrisome after really they just get torn to pieces by WOFFORD which can't happen to any club let alone one that coming into the season pass seasons we think somewhat highly of born with now four points for a possible thirty three over the last eleven matches and kind of the thinkable. Because Eddie how is like an institution there He's a God with that club and like there's murmurings now that maybe it's over for him. I would tell you that that would be a mistake. I think so too but I do think that there was something in in his post-match Conference press conference that worried me too. They talked about. Well Eddie what do you think. The turning point was and he goes the first goal which was in the second half off and it was the young goalkeeper travers. Playing out getting it back then shanking. It Watt for pressing and getting and getting a goal out of it which which Wofford did well all day long and fans are just shouting behind not anybody in particular but shouting at the team to stop playing from the back. And how was asked about voted. And he said I'm paraphrasing here. No so please. Don't he said How's post-match comments He more or less said they were punished for playing the way they think is right which sounded just so pompous to me. No mean you we have talked about this ad nauseam and we agree one of our rare moments of agreement. You do it when it's on no not every time you've got to read the room and if they're gonNA plan this way it doesn't matter. I really believe there will be a time down the road when we look back on this era era and laugh about the playing out from the back all the time and look. I get that certain teams can do it. Yes Manchester City can do it the US men's national team can't can't Bournemouth probably can't I respect the want to try but yes there are like yes. Pick and choose your moment. You can't do it all the time. These players are not good enough to be able to do that. And I. I've said it all the time about playing off from the back. If you make a mistake like playing the ball long somewhere in midfield like you can afford to make a mistake somewhere else but if you make one mistake playing out from the back you're immediately up against it but you should also not do it as a robotic motion. You should read where the pressure is almost like a quarterback if you're the goalkeeper putting that ball down read where the coverage is and I guess it's a lot to ask of a very young goalkeeper to do the one thing And I know you you find this interesting Sarah Winterburn on football three six five. She talks about the really bad transfers of eighty. How over the past eighteen months and boy dominic Solanki hasn't scored jarred Naib wasn't even the matchday squad not injured at the weekend and expecting them to be good even they never really showed it at Liverpool? Jefferson Laura. She doesn't mention but I- mentioning him. Harry Wilson part from free kicks as being good from open play. I don't think so callum Wilson and hasn't scored from September at Ryan Frazier's drop off like tank Born with last year you think Callum Wilson Ryan Frazier. Were two huge pieces. That have David is injured. Yes is it. Any wonder during the hasn't played wants the whole season. I don't think which y yeah and he was kind of a revelation for them last year. Too So yeah there. It's it you're right. Ah You look at all that and it shouldn't necessarily shocking that they're in this predicament. I'll take a very quick break when we get back. We're GONNA talk about a couple of things happening in Spain while I guess they didn't really happen in Spain aimed but they involve. Spanish teams will do that. We gotTA mailbag quick what to watch for. Don't go anywhere. People pass in the moment is some Mason to reward them sync you on. We need to be really now for this game Sunday and then to prepare the final autumn. I want your banking mentors for me for them the principles that will keep for the rest of my career that I cannot. I cannot change one of these principles opposes. I don't like to talk me elegant because what I'm saying is true. I'm it'll be champion so I'm not one one of the bottle and I think I'm a special. You had to hear that again. You I thought you did a great job. I'm I'm we're still in the midst of that succession. Some of those words are quite quite haunting. Look arrogant we know who he is. I I want I. I feel bad about the opening to the PODCAST. So Do I. I don't mean I don't mean to do sometimes berating you and it's not just you know well. I don't need your pity and sympathy Fi. Either I mean I. I don't feel bad for feeling of you know I. I've said it for we don't have to rehash it but like I'm just I'm just GonNa wait until I'm ready to judge him Let's see Spain I want to talk about the The Super Copa The Washington span no it was in Saudi Arabia And the the format of this has now changed a little bit the top two from Copa Del Rey facing the top two from La Liga With caveats depending like Real Madrid finished third. But we're still able to be included because Barcelona were runners up in Copa Del Rey. Tocaka CAF champions it is leave heels a bit like this is another one of those things that falls into the category that we so often talk about of Tanf a little too much football football but still this was this was a rubbish game. That was enthralling rubbish which I think is it became interesting. It took about one hundred and seventeen minutes but it became truly interesting when Alvorada was in on goal one on one with the keeper and he was taken down From from Federico Valverde and who was obviously obviously red-carded and ended up going to penalties as it seems all games of consequence quince between Real Madrid and athletic home and dread do and as those games have turned out in the past. Real Madrid. Do win it in penalties for one. Sergio Ramos getting the winning penalty. But all the talk afterwards was about Out this foul this red card on Valverde I'll just say in fairness to him. Even he'd feel great about what he did he said. I've apologized. which is to Murata? It's not good to do what I did but I didn't have any other option. I'm happy to win the trophy but I'm left feeling bad about that Maybe not shocking Diego. Semi Oni was actually. Okay with how played out not not a shock. At all right vow he said Verde won the final. It was the most important piece of play. It was probably going to be a goal. I told him that he did we had to do at that moment. I don't think it was going to be a gold because I look for the verdict. Couldn't have known this especially from his angle but murata rises he's about to be hacked. Act takes the most awful touch the ball flies right ahead. And if he if Valverde's taken out of the picture and doesn't make that tackle oppose rolling right back to courtois. Aw I think actually Velvet Murata favor the idea of the Faldo why he did it. Because some people are upset I saw what was the The publication was. As or somebody one of the public sports websites or something Refused to give him man of the match for doing what he did because they thought I guess it was so against the idea of what the sport is about which may be true however this is a show where you and I both sat here and had no problem with like the way. Portugal Riggle played against France and the European Championship final. You do sometimes like the job is not to be pleasing on the I. Sometimes the job is just to do what you have to do to win. Especially especially in one hundred and seventeenth minute of cup and I guess we went through a a period of football where we didn't see money of the cynical challenges but this was an epidemic emiko called the professional foul right through the nineteen eighties and into the nineteen ninety world. Cup and football was what are we going to do. It's ruining the game so when you see it rare Ted again you uh-huh well it's carded now. I mean like you know even ones that weren't like this. You still get a yellow card if it's one that occurs a counterattack like it's not. I wouldn't say it's an epidemic the way maybe it was. No it isn't but it's just it's it's still common. I mean you still see. I'd say once a game somebody does something cynical in the middle of the park but this was an extreme circumstance and I was generally fine with it so I'm watching by the way trippy. The only athletic player to convert his penalty. If I told you eighteen months ago Karen trippy would be our trivia. Rather would be in Spain. Yeah we get killed for saying his name that way. I know I can't help it. I don't know well we just give it a little bit of probably were originally came from Normandy in France for the trip but anyways If I told you he would be scoring the only penalty for lead against trail Madrid in the Spanish League Cup final in Saudi Arabia. You would not believe me. Nah I saw a couple of things about him on spurs dispersed twitter. And I think in the end like people say like look at the situation for Tottenham at fullback and look at he's doing right now at Athletico Madrid and and I think a couple of things can be true on that Just because he's playing well now doesn't change history. He was not playing well in the in the wake of the World Cup We had had season. He was not playing well for Tottenham so like you know did spurs give up on them too quickly given that they didn't really have much behind him at that position maybe but but it doesn't change what history was and I think they thought we can get rid of him and maybe Walker Peters or somebody will step in and be ready to go and it hasn't turned out that way yes they probably are regretting it now. I was sat beside a Kansas City chiefs fan so they were switching the TV's in the Blackhawks Byron Brooklyn. And I'm watching the end of the Super Supercopa but I'm also keeping half an eye on what was turning out to be a very interesting first half of the AFC divisional game check this. Kansas City chiefs fan turns to me and he goes he split. He just looks at me on the sideline black garb and whatever's going on with his hair these days and he goes. Hey is that Tom waits musician and I thought what does Tom Waits when you have to remind what he looks like. Oh my God uncanny eights seriously. Tom Waits Nice. Diego semi only see for shallow shot for ever been on. This podcast is Tom. Yeah But yeah so Real Madrid do do win this sets up. I don't know how much you Wanna read into the winner of this. What it means for the rest of the season But I would say that. Barcelona are now with out Lewis Wires for the next four months after he had to undergo knee surgery. So it kind of I mean if Barcelona truly are Leo Messi or bust. I'd be a little bit worried. I think that like the time is now for agreement. He's had a chance to acclimate but Suarez his out and they paid a lot of money for him. And so like they need to St- I think if there was a grace period which I think is it's fair Alright but kinda thrust into the fire. Now that grace period is probably up more expensive trinkets are going to have to come to the fore. Yeah it's GONNA be interesting before laureates in the mail bag. I just WANNA quickly talk about the Brian. McBride stuff because that happened over the weekend. He's the general manager of soccer now among some of the highlights from from his press conference of SORTA like scanning back and forth between twitter accounts Brian McBride Talking about the job. He said this is from Jonathan. Tanner walled on twitter. McBride right says this is very much a job that requires me to be present build relationships to understand what's going on behind the scenes. I look forward to that experience and also getting to know each player in our player pool What's also important? He made a point of saying that part of his job responsibilities are very much Dual nationals and recruitment in that area. That's good yeah yeah I think that's you know. I think someone of his stature of his presence of his resume of his just American can good looks. You need a guy going in who is going to give a player. WHO's on the fence? You're saying we are best face forward. I think he well. They do think he is that though. And I don't mean I was GONNA say. Give them the hard sell. I don't mean that but you know explain lean why selecting the United States as your national team is is a good move. Yeah and in talking about some of that. Ernie Stewart actually said head that essentially it's important and good for McBride to be a public figure in his role as the US men's national team general manager. They do want him out there. the friendly face of US soccer. And he is that yeah and he was a great player both in England and certainly for the. US THEY'RE GOING TO I. I can see him. I don't mean to be cynical. But he'd be wheeled out for important kind of showy events he's GonNa be front and center and in that sense and Cordeiro and all the others will get on with the the the grizzly business of of of running a massive like that. I'm not going to be negative about. I don't know what is I. Don't know the one of the tweets I read from the scoff podcast. They were on the call and the guy said that he has no experience of being. GM am which he hasn't bought that he does have some business chops. So I'm not sure how that that world that wouldn't surprise. Asked me if he was more on a business side than a personnel side. I'd have to another thing. That they talked about was essentially aligning Sort of the youth team with the senior team To which I said wait. They haven't been doing that like so have different. Things have been happening at different levels of this program. We haven't been like in line with young players and senior level players throughout so young players could presumably slot right into the steaming. Where you what you should be doing if that's the case And then perhaps most importantly because people are wondering like sort of what has been intimated a little bit kind of what we were talking about. Is this just some sort of figure head. Is this like I. Such as putting the best face forward McBride said if I didn't think I could make an impact than I wouldn't be the right person and I shouldn't have taken the job The only thing I worry about here is too many cooks in the kitchen between bear. Halter McBride Ernie Stewart. Sorry busy his business management shops. Okay all right good. I'm sure that helps. In some way I don't know I don't have any outstanding interpersonal skills. which are going to be very important for this job? Also strategic thinker if you WANNA go to scoffed for that threat Pretty good. Yeah so look ah I don't I can't judge this yet. I don't think anyone really can. I don't know how long it will be. His contract. Runs through the two thousand twenty two World Cup if we are to qualify for it as. Jj looks at me before. I get an electric shock. I can't do that again. So yeah look we like him and I'm willing to give of him whatever chance That that I would say he deserves the are kate. MARGRAAFF has the similar position on the women's side and it does sound like Ernie Stewart said that she has kind of of more free reign on the women's side than what mcbride potentially has on the men's side which is a little bit interesting all very vague. Yeah it is. It is because because I really think that it's it's it's vague almost intentionally because it seems like they're going a much more collaborative route here where there will be multiple voices making decisions decisions and they trust mcbride enough to be one of those voices so who knows. I don't really have any huge judgment to pass on on something like that just yet except to say good for him I like him. I'm happy for him. Never works out. Try and get him on the pot. Yep mailbag injustice sect. Jj But I. I want to tell you something I want to tell you. It's a new year perfect opportunity to take your business to the next level by hiring the right people. Finding qualified candidates can be challenging. But that's where we help ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash offside makes it easy. That's right ziprecruiter. ZIPRECRUITER sends your job to over one hundred of the Web's leading job boards. 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Follow us on all of those things and We will keep you up to date in the fashion that the modern kids used to James Lawrence. WHO WAS OUR KIRUI KANGA contacting Australia back to us Heard podcast gave us an update as it stands Regarding the fires the only real unaffected stretch. Bushland is right where we are. Oh my God. Southern Sydney there have been a few small spot. Fires flared up but have been contained quickly. which is what you mentioned on your twitter find during findings on the show unfortunately an area an area all you hold dear to me got hit hard on New Year's Eve Lake CONJOLA? My my family and I have been going on for over thirty years as a holiday destination. Not only that is where the hell are. Champion celebrates retour. It's been pretty heartbreaking aching to see send us pictures of Jeez ruin after of the controller. So it's just it's just so awful and terrible and Yeah Yeah Matt. Graham who's been more successful in the premier league so far Christian Pulisic streaky. Success at Chelsea Armageddon Moran with consistent slow building successive Newcastle. Seems like you've answered that for Yourself Matt Thank you. I don't know which one do you value more. Thanks for your outstanding work. Math from the upper east side of New Jersey Willow politics has had his progress shunted by an injury so but I I thought to be honest which I thought was building nicely from the get golden not everybody. Nobody shared that view. He fell out the site for a month. Came back in and had a cameo against accent. I'm Kinda built from there. It's been really good. No He's been injured. I Moran has been asked to do things. Probably by Steve Bruce that he didn't do before and his main contributions Newcastle up until the last few weeks have been really really honest hard-working running an often. His final passers final ball. Is that down a bit. But he scored a brilliant goal at the weekend against wolves. He's he's a quality not player. I'd like to see him in a role that allows them to be more in the attacking passenger fee consistently. But maybe that's happening. Know under Steve. Bruce I don't know Both of them my gut would be say pulic. Yeah but I don't know if if it's a slam dunk Western. Here's more difficult to answer questions. Luke styles relatively straightforward question here but not a straightforward answer. Who is the worst player in your opinion and your opinion to be playing regular football in the premier league? Right now I think over the season I said it before with his showings by the way these are all top-class Athletes Roberto at West Ham. I don't understand like just so he did not look goalkeeper that was playing at the highest level. I'd have to look up his appearances. I mean has he made enough appearances. You think for us to say he's getting like regular what are the regular. I probably not. I'll have to look. I could be wrong. I did the fact. He's in Premier League team and has started as a replacement for or five Yankees crazy to me Based on what I've seen I feel bad saying this. I don't just want to be anti arsenal but like it's hard not to look at Mustafay and I've kind of been on the the Anti Greenwich Jacka trained for a while Mortgage Snyder land on at at Everton. Dominic Solanki aforementioned Jesse lingered trying to think of these are all regular enough teamers. I would think so Robert and South California so I tweeted out Verona Rona James Harden Horncastle. I retreated this Verona. Genoa will kick off fifteen minutes late because the lines of the penalty areas are wonky and need repainting Syria area in two thousand twenty and I just got it. Sounds familiar reminds me of Montreal. A couple of seasons by it was the Canadian. Darby the playoff game between Toronto Montreal. And this he's delayed a little over forty minutes. Robert said that it happened as we were recording the show and we commented on thread wreck because there was a guy out there with like a ruler. Yeah and string and and it was on tariffs was a pot of paint man. Yeah good times I'm Tony and Portland. It feels like you guys said if not now when for PS G.. But did you see. They're defending the three three draw with Monaco at the weekend. Monaco were very very good. But yikes to. PS G Monaco very good. I think it's important to know that and the Benita goal here was just phenomenal title to put them to one up in the first half a couple of forays into the box of this is how robust Moreno wants to play. This is fantastic. Here they come again. Baldi disguises. This this has been the hometown of quiets the parked Lebron's that's Phil. Shane and Gary Bailey. Early on Sports Phil was allowed to get his goal. Calling Nice Yeah yeah I I suppose if we're talk because when we say if not now when for PS es g we're kind of talking about them making a run in the champions. I'm not talking about what they do in League so yeah look in fairness to them They've they've given up thirteen goals all season in their league and three of those occurred yesterday. So it's not like I don't know if I could say that they've been just. It's like a consistent disaster in the back throughout the course of the season they got caught opened yesterday and a copy of the goals. But I guess what you would worry though is that that's set some kind of template yes Champions League opponents I think that was the point of what twenty s Mitch Car perhaps question for the podcast. who was worse hair who who was a worse hair dye job rather greenish Sergio? Guero any chance for longer mailbag discussion on the long standing odd presence of peroxide which is the substance that turns your hair blond in football Between those two one isn't peroxide. It's more just like a job. It's coloring highlights like if you English looks good. Well that's the thing is like if you had never seen Jack Release before and then you just saw him looking the way he looks with that. If you WANNA call it a dye job okay you probably you may not even know. I know that he had anything in his hair. You might just think that that is natural hair color Search Your Guerrero not not quite the same Now he's if you WanNa long read on on Peroxide. It's not that long. Actually there's a there's a piece on on Vice I remember this vividly the remaining team and at France Ninety eight it before if they said if they if they beat England and Columbia no small feat dade qualify other group. And if they if they won't both those games they would do something as a team. As a bonding exercise they dye their hair and so they all did but some of the players were saying how the people whoever did it for them. In France at the World Cup was just dreadful and their scouts were burned all some of them had bald patches and spots and it was okay for the guys with short hair but the guys with long are here it was like really noticeable and they drew their final group. Game with Zeke and the manager said it was like revenge from God for for being sold like pompous as to get something done like that but Paul Gascoyne at Euro Ninety six at some point men in their twenties not play football do that. They just bleach their hair. You did it. Yeah Yeah I was out here in America. Yep just put the bleach through them here. I don't know some people loved loved it and thought I look nice and other people thought it was some kind of a crime what I don't I'm not Oughta Fan and it's not a thing that I would probably due to my own hair. Finally Andrew got some very interesting feedback. I tweeted out. Is this ever okay. A A video of Aston Villa fans leaving in droves leaving Villa Park on the twentieth with minute of their hammering by Manchester City on the question I put out there was is is this okay like within the football fines and passionate and twenty eight. Th Minute and supporting your team is it. Oh No no not in the twenty eight th minute you said yes no. Yeah they're going out of the ground. Twenty eight forty two and they're streaming the exit. No it was interesting so unless they're trying to make some bigger point unless there's some kind of protest. Oh test or something like that okay. But if it's just purely of I can't be bothered with this anymore. So Eric tweets. She said my dad and I left a high school football game with the two minutes left and then we walked out of the parking lot on my team scored and one also as a former cheerleader. It really sucks to see people streaming out of the stadium for whatever reason like John Conte. Dante says it's not okay. Then we got a lot of what was I would call cleanup transactional stuff grit basin Jason. Bare said. I paid for the tickets. I can leave whenever I please group. No yeah you see. Of course you can but whether this put you on lower wrong fan is is. I think the question a lot of people were very very you know kind of it. I don't know if you WANNA lower rung long a fan but you just gotta own it if you then this history like you were talking about the Kansas City chiefs game before. I wonder if anyone left when they were down. Twenty four nothing. They then came back and won fifty one thirty one like if view left. Because you quit on your team then you gotta own that. I quit on this team that it has to be a learning experience and yet villain come back and win that game but like. I don't know that doesn't make you less of a fan but there's something about Keith. made the point How people interact with their clubs completely up to them? And I just said absolutely and I wouldn't dispute that but there are certain modes of behavior. That Harcourt finds engaging and that and in that context leaving after twenty five twenty. Eight minutes is verboten. I think that's too early. It is too early. Have you ever. What the earliest? You've left a game in discussed. I can't I can't actually think of time. I started to Ireland. Nil Food Germany six. Well I think it was six one in the end I sat through the whole of that. I mean you P- sometimes like I feel like it's kind of almost your responsibility as a fan too bare so you have to punish yourself. It is part of it. Yeah yeah is that it smelled like all right there. You Go Let's see I will give you my my very quick thing that happened today that I had mentioned at the start of the show dis life. Problems Bump WanNa tell you about. I WanNa tell you conveniently about other life problems. Jj I want to tell you that sixty six percent of men starts lose their hair by age thirty five. Once you've noticed hair it can be too late. Is that hairline slowly starting to move backwards any bald spots get the best way to prevent more hair loss to do something about it while you still have time like Davidson did where he took all the hair in Europe and put it on his head. It was jarring when he went through that that phase of of baldness or whatever when it was yeah jarring to see him that he's come back and I would imagine there's a man in Spain going around where the hair has been taken from. Well it's time to grab the New Year by the follicles. Here's to a year of personal growth. Why guys turn to weird solutions or they do nothing when they can turn a medicine? Jason and science the Solution J. 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I was like you know this whole train. Car like fumes just everywhere. We can't open a window you know. I don't know just a little thing I was like. Yeah we didn't need that know commute in. I mean the New York Doc city subway you can see people do all kind of ablutions they will you know. Cut Their nails. They will What's the other one I saw? Oh Yeah knows haired the guy with the northern tremor on the subway. You like though it's last subway. It's almost part of the character of the subway. Getting hit by shrapnel. Tore part is is almost like an experience on New York City subway with bring food on the subway. Okay right. I've never eaten on a subway. If you're in a rush Asia you've never grabbed a slice brought it downstairs. I got takeout and then I can tell you. I've never eaten food on the subway. That's interesting I might have had food with me but I never actually ate it there in front of everybody. Yeah curious to me. That is the right thing to do. I I think you might be right. I've seen people the entire Chinese in front. Like Oh my God it's also messy because you know people just like leave there you should guy with the chicken bones. uh-huh oh my God. He had a chicken book. I'm them and then into the mouth and give it kind of pulled every last resolve and then lick the fingers and go too much. Yeah let's see super-quick what to watch for. FA Cup replays on Tuesday Two forty five eastern time Newcastle Castle and Rockdale much Wilbur him of each another chance for cameo for him after he scored the equalizer in the say. Say the first leg. It's not really new legs. You have to win that. Yeah Yeah and then. Also Tuesday three or five Tottenham and Middlesbrough the return of woodgate and Robbie Keane to do well a new a changed white. Hart Land Is there any nostalgia in this in this game for you do look would get and Robbie Keane and think of early days. They they both have made like even Jonathan Woodgate in a relatively limited amount of time made a big impact. He scored the winner for them against Chelsea in. What was then the Carling Cup? Final at at Wembley in extra-time Magic Juande yeah and obviously Robbie Keane is kind of like a club. Favorite people love him. So you wouldn't mind well. Well I don't WANNA lose to them like I enjoy them. But I'm not willing to concede this because I like them. Yeah Yeah I always wondered how would get viewed at various clubs because he he was injured so often. Yeah I will say though Sears not better win this because their season to me is kind of now in that place where it's going to be defined by what they do in cups whether it be this one of the Champions League they camp out in the third round of this competition And then one. EPL game wanted to mention Still kind of a ways away. It's only Monday but this Sunday Monday. Just know everybody at eleven thirty. Am Eastern time. It's Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield Yeah there's a massive Asif game it doesn't matter how liew go ahead. Are Ho fire backs United Fall. It's just such a big game if feel look I. I don't I don't know exactly what I think. Think of Manchester United. They're certainly not a great team. I don't think they're a bad team But there are limited feels like there are limited opportunities for Liverpool will to slip up and lose that allu- have that elusive loss. Appear if you're someone who's ruth for the They've had a blind spot against united. Certainly away from home. I mean KLOPP has is not being good at Old Trafford. Certainly not in the League dot said it's Anfield. Yes so where. They use the expectations. Dr That united will be. That's the expectation anywhere beaten. Yeah I don't know who the opponent could be right now. That Liverpool could go up against were. That is not the expectation dictation Champions League included. There's no team that they'll be faced against in any competition where they'll be considered an underdog they lakers. I guess if they're playing basketball than yes that's what we're at. Are we in a better place than when we started the podcast. I'm by no God and I resent the question. Here's here's what I hate right now. I kinda hate talking about Tottenham because it's it's become there's plenty of listeners who were just love of never did but like it's just become such a force of negativity and so like that combined with just all the stuff that I'm seeing and like all the I don't know I feel like the discourse among within the on its own fan base has just become so divisive And it's just I don't know like they just become like frustrating when it was. We're not that far removed from when it was like one of my favorite things in life was talking about Tottenham and watching the team play now just like just feels like a chore. But that's where it's out with them and I'm sorry I don't mean to take it out on you. We just. We just happen to disagree. I'm about to offer offer the olive branch. What is the need to go and see one thousand nine hundred nineteen together possible? It's playing at a theater beside the nighthawk and packed slope where you can and I'm not GonNa go to your you can come on. That's not fair. That's not air heath food together and I was talking to someone about that recently. That does nothing for me. They Komo alongside Lloyd places I've been to those places before I don't know when I'm at a movie theater. You're right they do it as discreetly as they can but everyone knows when it's happening and when I'm in a movie theater I don't want like if there's a guy four rows away from me who just goes to SOS much check a text message let alone like that. Annoys you even the glow of his screen. Now I'm out of it. Don't don't break my immersion okay. I don't know where we hurting for like a two hour window where we couldn't have a full meal in front of us that badly CIGNA's need to exist. I totally get what you're saying but this place is so much fun like in the lead into the movie they don't they. Don't show you trailers. They've somebody's somebody's chopped up interesting pieces that pertained to the movie because in terms of What was it? I saw the last time I saw there. Oh Oh well for example. I'll take the The Dick Cheney movie from last year they had all these these reports parts and pieces from the TV from what seemed like forever ago. But it's only really like fifteen sixteen years ago and they spliced together and they and they they play pop culture moments from that era at the time. And it kind of sucked you into that. That's uncut you ready for the film and I thought you would like that you would to my neighborhood and you WanNa come to my neighborhood I'm trying to know what that would connecticut I'm trying to think though of like the actual time we'll be we'll go to We could go lower. East side is good movie. Cater donors hundreds of movie theaters. Can we go and see to get this weekend. Is that desperate to see that possible. What it's we'll find a time he'd be saying it's better than than you could have expected just won best picture at the Golden Globes and he won best director? Well this was fun man. We'll be back with you next week. I guess to look back at this Liverpool man. Something major happens over the next few days. I'll donate that we we put up the bats. Of course we'll hey do you. I say the Foam Balsa take care listening to caught off-side soccer podcast.

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Tottenham Tumble Out of UCL

ESPN FC

33:27 min | 1 year ago

Tottenham Tumble Out of UCL

"Welcome INSULATION OF ESPN AFC down. Thomas joined the studio today by shocking his love and Ali Miranda Malkin and frank leboeuf will be joining shortly as we kick things off in the Champions League. Lifezette taking on Spurs today and this game was pretty much over started. Remember LEIPZIG ABOUT ONE NIL. Lead going into this second like they would school three today against a very lackluster spurs side. So the Bundesliga team took place in the quarter-finals going through four nil on aggregate. This gain kind of happened as you would expect it to the team. The first like proving once again. They're the best team in the second leg by big margin this time round the new question come into this would be what would be given that they had to overhaul. A one-goal deficit had key players missing. Which everybody I'm show. We're mentioned in Sun and Qian have do you sit back. Try TO SOAK UP PRESSURE IN SCHOOL. Lead on or do you get going from the get-go and the end. This was all about Leipzig. They got to go after. Ten minutes. two nil after after twenty one including having one ruled out it was as easy as as could be for them and spruce really had nuances. I saw an interesting tweet saying Leipzig where and have an easier game in the Bundesliga. This season I think that's testaments out and spurs on it was lifeless from Spurs. No point that you get the sense that they were truly into match and that they had a sense of believe that they were truly in the match and so well when you give up a gold ten minutes and you're almost kind of like well there. He Goes Yeah. And and that sort of if you just look at the whole performance and really the attitude of the players and the feeling around. Spurs. That's sort of the feeling that you get that. It's well it was over. We knew so. We're GONNA have to show up anyway because we're supposed to be here but we've been truly believe we're going to be able to pull this off and you're watching the game. You just got the sense that they could have played for two hundred minutes. Three hundred minutes and spurs were never going to screw up their their one. There wasn't anything about this team that truly gave you a sense of what they have a plan they're gonNA execute that plan. They're really gonNA force live sake into making it a Hong comfortable for them. There was no plan and you can say that about. I not only in this game but you can say now for the last month and a half or so mock open it was interesting because we have the UK feed on the we were watching and obviously they're trying to sell it stirs to make the Comeback. Remember what they did against Iraq never in a million years watching this match. Did you give them any hope of getting back? Into it. No and Tottenham to roll look a lot last season. The Champions League the Muncie game to afford to go through thanks to our couple of strategy sessions the game again was a free performance a freak result in Amsterdam. They desire to file of course but they kind of put the look of it and I think this is not looks worn out and you know there are lots of reasons. The injuries like Shankar says Cain son Steven Burg violence. Come into well easier as well. And then the last season spurs that legacy and that kind of run steam. They needed they needed new blood and partee wasn't happy at the time and they didn't bring in the wanted he left off with the season. Marino comes in. There was a little bit of a bounce. It's not looking good. I was one of the guys at the start that I thought Marino was a good. A good fit for Tottenham bought to the mall after. Say That probably bud call. Because he's got in there and it's not really worth the slipping contention for four in the Premier League. They were awful in the Champions League today. They were often the FA Cup against us. We can start the season so end when he does end. There's no guarantee you'll get any better because the the problem with marina is when the summer comes your wants to spend a lot of money to bring new plays in his record his last COUPLA clubs that Chelsea united suggests that when Josie Marina has money to spend wants. When it doesn't usually unwell mark. Why were you so wrong? All everything else. When he went in I thought that Tottenham needed a manager that would demand more than the particular not demand mobile. Have that winning mentality that would raise levels res performances. I think China would contend if he's tether with the players in the squad I'll put marine go in there and just give everybody kick up the backside and made them Tofu and hard about. Maybe he's able to be too Fra Harder. Maybe put cinemas right there. They couldn't go to another level because the mentality that isn't quite You know you you need to have a special mentality to play for really big club at Barcelona around Liverpool and Spurs at that level to get that level any of those plays the. May Bill the spurs players capable of going from where they are where they need to billion nothing. Marino's finding that now and your problem as well on your mark in a sense you mentioned bringing in players in the summer you got to keep hold of your star player and shortly hurricane and you're watching how things over the last few months. Despite the fact he's been so committed to spurs in the cars you have been thinking. Juno Watt Name. I have to leave here. If I'm going to get any sort of success. I agree completely art. Hurricane years ago hurricane is probably are. I think he's not miss the chance to get a big move because if you look back to three or four seasons he does pick up. Injuries Pixel Injured Keith. Met for two or three months at a time these hamstring injuries is kept him since. I think December early January is not yet. I don't think a big big claw. Blackbox remedy events is going to take a gamble on hurricane at twenty seven twenty eight because the injuries beginning at stuck up so maybe missed a chance to get the big move. From Satnam. There are other players at Tottenham. That might fancy move some. I think deserves a biggest stage. Deli alleys plus Tottenham. He's not really move is not really progressing. So it's a big some of its army right. He does have a battle keeping his best players. But I do worry about in the sense that Josie Marina when he's got money to spend spend it causes. It causes problems you know. He likes fires in. Iro's people I just figure if it's not in the summer I think it's going to be a very kind of acrimony is summer. Because WanNa love plays in and Tottenham as we know. Don't spend money in place so I don't think Marino get what he wants and the problem is that you've got you record signing and of course he's come out and criticizing in the media as well if I'm a spurs fan. I'm just worried about this whole house collapsing in front of me absolutely and listen. Here's a tooth. You show a good team in about you and I are very good team and spruce quite clearly young. And there's an arrogance around spurs that. I'm not sure offers Borno to English football and preemies league mentality onto what you saw from them now season or the fact that the WHO manages five games in all competitions all season long spoon have lost four games in the last three weeks. I'm not sure why this result is much of a surprise and as a result unless something within this club changes drastically between no one August maybe Marino is a man to leave the strings and make spruce into genuine contenders. Who THEY GONNA shine. That's the program is looking to rebuild. What DOES I? I totally agree you show that this January. Everybody knew that espen would to real estate realistically content. Not just in the Champions League but to push Finnish four down they would have to spend money in January yet. There was nothing of significance when the did spend money last summer. No that play. You don't Beli as you mentioned. It's probably looking for a wheel. If you're on the outside looking for a big club a big move a big opportunity and spurs come calling as much as that may be interest if there is anybody else even close in terms of size of club an opportunity all of a sudden sprays find themselves a little bit lower down. The pecking order. And you're mentioning as part of that future. I'm saying he shouldn't be here to begin with. And this is something that we discussed when he was first appointed and so forth spurs fans out there. I tell you we told you so. This is what's happening right now. It's a conversation. We had at the very beginning when this appointment happened when woody new was brought in the concern was what this is going to last for. The first two three weeks is going to be great. Everybody's GonNa be happy. There's going to be a reaction you you're gonNA get excited us a spurs fan and then reality is going to set in and once reality has said in. We have found that he goes back to things that were troublesome I meant to say united and so people are getting thrown under the ball players. Are we going to be put out there? And every everybody's getting blame exit and yet. We think that you know what he's going to get the summer and he's going to get the players and he is going to get better. Why where where in the recent history of December in your can you tell me? There is a track record of success of putting a team together rebuild an and actually working in a way that you would expect a team to work. We don't tell me about inter. Don't tell me about Porto. Don't tell me about let's. Let's look at the recent history and let's see and evaluate. I coach and manager. Who has had difficulties in getting the very best out of their team and the reaction cannot be blaming. Everybody else except yourself. You know the material that were to. Of course in this they did excellently one simply exceptional got the result in in London as needed and again just as you wanted to see what would be. I wanted to see how they would come. And they didn't do anything about their identity. They would scare the Spurs. That didn't play within themselves. They wouldn't try to defend a lead. They were very good value for taking the lead up to ten minutes. And then this game being over after twenty they have been simply outstanding outstanding over over. Two legs deserve all the credit that they just remind. Ya missed the show. You can download our daily podcast. It's available on the website or if you prefer. You can go apple podcasts. And subscribe the other Champions League Tie. Today just Goes Valencia. Three of four energy getting all of the goals so that visitors advanced the quarterfinals. Eight four on aggregate. The crazy thing about these two legs is eight. Four is probably quite a low bar considering how many goals could have in school it was. It was like a game of fevers crazy. It was fun to watch. Yeah for those of us. Neutrals fantastic to watch and Atlanta in particular. I would just say this when they go to one in this game and you really think okay at this point maybe start knocking the ball around. Maybe you just take it easy. Defend you keep the ball in front of you. It's never gonNA come back and you just keep it at that. Not No no no. It's not in the personality of this team. So they just keep attacking they just keep going after. Valencia goes up. You think okay. Well maybe now we'd really have to defend a little bit better now. Now we're GONNA get after you and we're GONNA score goals and we're going to win the game. It's fun to watch. I don't know if you can sustain that in the next round buddy who cares at this point. If you're at the London and Tarento fan you should be very proud of where you are and how you got into this point. Tremendous performance exemplifies twenty minutes ago. Valencia could have scored three and obviously advance. Which is ridiculous. You think well why was even going to happen but the game was so open that for a moment there was a possibility Atalanta player. Listen we've been retained for this Atalanta bubble to boost. It'd be last couple of seasons but simply hasn't when they've had every reason to and they've just remained to to themselves yeah. They've remained to to to the game that brought success during the course of last season. Got Them into the Champions League does brought the relative success I know not thing is as much as whatever happens from here on in Atlanta. We'll be praised. Typically we hopes money. That's almost w warming for for anybody who comes up against them because at this point they have absolutely nothing to lose. Four one from the first-leg you'd expect most teams would go and sit back and not give too much away. You wonder lap after two minutes and you simply do not stop attacking and as much as you can see again at no point to Atalanta starts. Don't themselves who they are? What they're about and the result again was never uncertain an inch appropriate plan very much so and more calls and you have that kind of talent and attacking towns all over the field. I mean Gomez is a great player Do about this coming off the bench and so there is enough talent to trouble somebody in the attack. The problem is a defensively. They got their issues but they don't seem to care. This is like the Anti Maureen when you see at the land up your we can win scoring goals. We can do that. That's that's that's bedding has said and it's fun to watch an exciting. You just got his right there when he says they know who they are and they're comfortable in who they are. There is an identity. You know what they're going to do they're going to. They're gonNA get after you. Good luck trying to defend against them. They're going to have to defend a little bit better in the next round. Who would you prefer live cigarettes Atlanta in the next term? Lonzo I feel I can score goals and then as of trying to keep them all but I just feel Leipzig mobilised meanwhile to ut Samara really good Champions League Games of course is PS g taking on at Borussia Dortmund. That'd be in front of an empty stadium and livable taking on Athletico Madrid at won't be a capacity size crowd at Anfield Athleti slight favorites to advance. But let's not with PS. Gee let's welcome Frank. Leboeuf into the show to discuss this frank. Obviously this will be played in front of an empty stadium to one lead. That Dortmund has going into. This is the second leg. How do you say going well? It's a she should be the advantage of only one. Go to a to score even if it's in front of an empty stadium. I think the players good enough and better than the dot wound but she will have to have to show mentality. That didn't didn't have in the first leg. They will have to make sure that they did give everything they need to win that game so we should normally see what they call the four fantastic's if is back after he's a little less but name all Caveney I think had been paying demeo should play with Marquette and gay and midfield and we should see a backup central defence so again the de. Villes rules are there. Well we'd be. I think so I think so but they will you will have to to to show it to the to the crowd even is NPR to show it to the in front of the TV. Psychologically how are the play is going into this game given the fact that obviously Manchester United last ship also before that? I'm sure the sports media haven't forgotten what has happened in. Being reminding the players in the build up to this one. Well there is. There is a fear of could. There is a fear of what happened in recent years. A and they want to go through that they won. They are very superstitious so they they think that everything is going before the game. What before the price where it coming during the game. So they think it's the different. Air Iran and maybe that the NFL the bad luck for various but Tamaki News just said before that a the fact that the funds they were and there was again something bad for the for the team but they would fight to show that they can even cope with the situation and and beat. The superstition quickly. Boise if you don't don't feel peercy shoot themselves in foot yet again. I'm thinking that overcomes this superstitious That frank is talking about and this feelings from years past disappointments from years past and talent takes over an about the name on the wrestling. Do just enough to get past. Meanwhile as I mentioned the other game at Anfield Liverpool taking on Athletico Madrid as we recalled this will be in front of a fool crowd for Liverpool. A lot of question marks obviously about the fitness of two key players. We know the allison will be out once again go. He is not look comfortable has over. The last couple of matches Jordan Henderson is the other question mark a Mohawk. The reason of course that he is being so it's been so obvious how they missed him over. The last few matches yeah well. He returned to training on Sunday after three weeks out with a hamstring problem. Jordan Henderson has suddenly become the best play by not playing in the last three or four games because they really missed him in that room where they've lost three or four games. Obviously he played in Madrid. Came off injured. But you know he's the glue that holds that team together many ways. I'm not sure that KLOPP will risking from the start. This thing that at three weeks and the game is going to need a lot of energy and how intense against let's go Madrid. Can you afford to have Jordan Henderson? Planes first game three weeks and again that really matters now. Klopp is a bit of a governor at times but I think on this occasion. He's got enough midfielders. Tacoma Henderson Start on the bench book. I is a huge thing for Liverpool. This game going ahead with with funds in the ground I mean we all know wh unfilled me so Liverpool and what it means European and if this game is certainly being played behind closed doors it would've taken a massive advantage away from Liverpool and I think they've all the teams could've played at. Let's go Madrid Diego. Simeone with the one thing. They probably wouldn't want to play in the sense that they would it be phased by outfielder. It will still have any facts it. It makes Liverpool play better. It makes their players just rise to the occasion even more so it's a huge advantage to have the funds in the ground so for me it gives them the edge. I think if it was an empty stadium the athletic over there to go through but I think the funds there. I think Liverpool favors frank. If you go through and this one I would go with Mark. I think we defines Liverpool. We go through the steel very angry at the what the player said the Spaniel Player said after the game. And what did what what happened after discussions. You know in in some press conferences so so I would go with that. I think it was not easy but we live with checker. I'm going to go live with Liverpool. Never saw Liverpool. I don't think this would be high scoring fear. I'm going to four one four to somebody that to how to Liverpool K. I would love to say it but why they were in a better position last year against Juventus where they had a bigger advantage and this was a better defensive team last year than the one that we've seen this year so while people want to say they went bad too old school that they go in the first game against Liverpool will the recent they haven't been able to do it consistently because it doesn't come natural to them plan what what's going to end up happening so you're going to depend on auto mode out to be holding the ball love and trying to relieve some pressure. Well if there was a guy that I could pick to hold the Bolo for me to release some pressure when we are defending as much as thirty go. Maria is going to be. It would not be so I just have to say I. I don't think has enough takes over to fascinating games than in the champions the tomorrow of course on the next edition of this show. We'll be looking back at them. How Red we'll Stevie Nickleby. The final tally will be with me. As will frank leboeuf Beech order join us? Good Ron hasn't that light. Manchester United Win Against Manchester City. Means that are unbeaten in their last ten games. Winning seven of them Mark Ogden. You have been one of the harshest critics of united over the last few months. We wrong about this. As well were turned kind of silicone side with the around the Brune off. An WHO's been an absolute revelation. I think he's had some fantastic quality himself but he's brought the rest of the players. The level is made. The midfield is play. Bats is brought to. The strike is at the shell a little bit and all kinds of knitting together now miley concerned about united grain recently the beaten city the game at the weekend after they played games against teams in the bottom half of the table now until recently the really struggled to beat those to Burnley Waterford West Tom. Newcastle developed visits to the season. I think the arrival of Fernandez will help them break these teams down what we still have to see whether or not you can take advantage of teams that rather than settling so low. It's been a great turn around. You have to give Sasha credit because when loss of Burnley about six or seven weeks we saw. This comedy was real impressionable. The silent offenders is being exceptional a lot of understand why they sign him at the beginning of January the end of January still the government the end. But you know I think right now. United probably favorites together full spot because there in fall but I just think the caveat that they have to stop beating the teams in the lower half of the table and how often enough. That's interesting you mention that taught full race. The bookies disagree with you. They've got Chelsea favorites. Eleven eight on united seven to four. What do you think is then about Chelsea? That's going to go wrong to let united in. I still think that third places. Chelsea united all the other less to Warren Moon starting at Leicester could be caught by the teams behind them. So you know Chelsea familiar being very flaky racially. They had a good one. We can but still Chelsea Wolves at home. They got a Liverpool. This'll go play man. City Chelsea run. Think United if they can find a way as you say it's a bit those teams in the bottom half their softer ruined so I think united have the advantage of Chelsea but just keep an eye unless because they'll be in Villa. Monday lester of you know until I got it. Lost Four of the last seven games in the League so they might slip up yet. Less to the small squadron and had about run the hour five points tells the moments just to remind extra time always available stats making an appearance epecial to check it out crispy. And then there's crispy try our new and improved Tyson crispy chicken strips crispy just got crispy huge wing around so shout out today beating by two goals to one meaning they move up to fourth in the table now. That game was played in front of an empty stadium as will the next to match in Spain. That was confirmed today by La Liga. Of course taking precautions to stop the spread of the corona virus around the country. We've seen other countries of course take measures as well Italy in the most extreme suspending own football of course until next month. What's interesting? Mark is older leagues the UK. The Premier League seems to be the less proactive. Yeah now the premise of the FAA both basically waiting on the government to advise and what to do next history left in the hands of the government so the UK given a different approach to it so whether they want to try and delay the outbreak of corona virus in the UK. They believe that basically carry on US normies by washing your hands the best way to do it now. I've seen a few recently and privately. They're all expecting pretty soon to have to be played behind closed doors. Now whether that's out of this weekend's games or the following weekend nobody knows you but also those in England Italy game at Wembley on the twenty seventh of March which is to sixteen days basically. Now the official foreign affairs advice for people in the UK is not to travel to Italy if they can avoid it and also if anyone returns to the UK from Italy. Any part of Italy have to sell currency for fourteen days. Now if that's the case in days does that mean it's going to fly tomorrow self quarantine for two weeks? 'cause he wasn't so there's an expectation the England game will be called off and the demagogue don shooter. We called off. I think by this time sweet will all be the not play behind. Closed doors are about to play behind closed doors because there's inevitability about is beginning to spread it just today it's espn kind of disclosed by Downing Street. The one of the health ministers got corona virus. So is beginning to affect all levels of society so I think it's only matter of time before the primarily on the follow suit with the rest of Europe. Meanwhile was refusing to go to Greece for their tie against NPR or smart. Yeah now they feel. This is put into what kind of pressure and risk on earth on their players. So we'll have to see how that plays quite late breaking story that one on this evening so whether UEFA except for threatened to punish we don't know yet early in the day for our book. You know you'd have to say that if wolves figure that they're play get corona viruses. It's a risk worth taking. So I think I'll Wednesday and Thursday. We'll find out what happens. Obviously united playing in Australia's in US no behind closed doors as well. So it's all over. Europe thoroughly is and it's interesting to see what the ramifications will be long-term regarding euro twenty twenty and whether or not that actually take place as scheduled member unique tournament this time round. It's not focused in one country but many across Europe plus just hearing as well. It's half a said. They will not travel to Milan to take on inter in the European League as well of course to keep out all the latest on this as it develops of course go over to ESPN F C Dot Com. But for now. Thanks very much to shack alley tomorrow. Answer Frank till tomorrow welcoming tax time. Thank you very much for your tweets. We'll be quick as what I just said. Rackliff is it. That was the first question would be if you're visiting player. Would you prefer to play in front of an empty stadium or a hostile crowd who who definitely knows tie crop because he may be getting angry therefore better rights e gives you the the the power you WANNA show them? You WanNa make sure. They're going to be quiet if you have an empty. I mean. He's not fooled. Oh how they choose. Hey what's going on? It's time for tweet. You got to be quick shot Joe. We didn't sleep last night. Hang out no. The first question is for you. If you're a visiting player would you prefer to play in front of an n? T. Stadium or a hostile crowd. Aw definite the host. I you know I. I wanted to make sure that Would BE BIT. Quieter legalized core goal. And give you the concentration. The Stamina I mean you you you. We play football because we WANNA play tough fans. Even they're not often. We WanNA play with the atmosphere. So yeah the second choice degree. I've never played it from the stadium. But when as Newcastle Second or third season under we funds for the job with Sunderland Right. I'm I'm a front. The away funds out to the atmosphere it. Just there's no knows it just doesn't feel right. Allie when you play for chief say him and he wasn't fun host. I feel. It wasn't great. It wasn't a lot of fun. Next week is from gobs Nemo Tattoo all. Hello just does doesn't have any secret tattoo. Hello something no no no four. He has to get only. Here's the guy. I talked to him somewhere. No definitely some sort of Tattoo of Gab. Somewhere Oh okay. I'm just saying back if they play Atlanta in the quarter-final who goes through I would say lapses because they demo balance the very good defensively but they know how to work together. They play high on the field. That pressure the open where Atlanta is playing gay team. They WANNA play. They WANNA play but they don't really think about The defense so I would say like frank would you do a fringe version of Ocean's eleven with the ESPN AFC crew? Please even be epic. Yeah Yeah why not? Why NOT We'll have to choice. The crew was me well. Yeah I think we would all do it with you on the phone lines and I could tell lead a bit. There will be no. I WANNA know I wanNA know would play George Clooney and we would play Brad Pitt. Well I think you can do Clooney. Couldn't you you've got? He's got the dot com on the ice. So classy isn't down. I know you're supposed to get excited about this movie. Okay turn it down Mal Colston if Adam had injuries with they have advanced yes hurricane. So Newman Stephen Bergman coasted boy shocker. Not just answer to no. No one knows seem marcus. Too Far in the force He's he's he's over there primarily. Oh I see so. He has to somehow make an argument. That spurs would have been better than life and the truth of the matter. Is that even with song and Kane. There was a point there. We're willing to look all that great this team and this coach right now. They're going all sorts of directions and it's not the right direction. Get Out of the forest. Alt-right Horse Ridge Amok Ranger Mark. That's final question. Who was the blue jacket better alley down? Of course you. Won't you're payload blew off saying it's a very blue jacket? Was obviously my blue jackets better. But that's GONNA come loose Blue Blue Blue. We don't always plenty blue. I demand a side by side. Look at some okay. Well maybe we can organize now some time slow a day. I'm just saying you are the director the producer and I'll show. You may have to make it happen this week. Shack. Who'S HE GONNA pick which which go down the road? I have no job by the way. Just the pay's going she'll final. I the NFC. We'll be back tomorrow. Brilliant Day. Isn't it tomorrow Jay taking on Dortmund Livable against plenty even city against also as well be sure to join us all right.

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Caught Offside: Champions League Semi-Final MADNESS!!!

Caught Offside

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Caught Offside: Champions League Semi-Final MADNESS!!!

"Caught offside with Andrew gumming and JJ Davani. Side of Manhattan, Andrew gumming, and j j Batty, what's. Oh, yeah. Spurs are on their way to Madrid taught them's got it too. Happening. What's going on? This is actually happening five years ago. When we started this podcast, right? Let's get. That's where were we I. So I actually right before our first ever episode. I had just returned from a trip to London where I went to White Hart Lane. It was the Tim Sherwood year. Like, that's where they were Liverpool. What were you eighth? No, no, no, no the year. We started was the year of Liverpool's title race. Oh, that's right. That's Ross like within within a few months. Suarez. It gone Bonna Telia been signed and Rickie Lambert on it was just a a pretty miserable slalom under Brennan Rodgers until we ended up. Here's a better one so four years ago. Twenty fifteen the pod wasn't was approaching its first year anniversary, you Spurs be knocked out of the round of thirty two. Two of the rope league to fiorentina at the Sada moment, and we got knocked out to shift. His like the soccer gods. Have given us a five year anniversary present that we never could have possibly imagined? This is think oh turgid Spurs were in the group stage. Oh, look think of that night in Zagreb when Liverpool. Sorry Belgrade excuse me, where Liverpool lost until we thought. While there. They'll have to focus on the league. Now, you know, like just oh my God. Did we get here? I don't know a caught offside Cup for the Champions League. If a if this happened in like a Europa league quarterfinal, we would have been like this Liverpool and Todd this is a big deal. We gotta make this is for all of Europe someone that by the way, your tweets have been unbelievable I've been dated it's impossible to like our reply to all of them. But somebody said this is for all the marble. Bills. I just like. I just couldn't stop laughing all say that. We'll talk about both games in great detail and just a few moments. But there's just like this is just sports emotion in like all its glory. These games were just it was just every part of you know, every feeling that human being can feel encapsulated in ninety minutes windows. It's it's high intensity a motion that the likes of which we haven't seen best be honest in this competition in the last few years that has swung around on. We're starting to see more regularly some of those Real Madrid at Madrid finals were truly riveting. We they were riveted, but they weren't like day. There was just an unexpected nature to the way these games played out that adds an element. That is just I think the fact that once upon a is Jonathan Wilson tweeted, I remember time when three gold lead mattered going into second leg. And those those are. You know, what I was going to say it still does matter. I mean more often than not even today when you have three goal lead. You do advance. Just remember the ones where you Hello going one goal behind and making it into a three goal lead and having to climbed that mountain within an hour of football a couple of housekeeping things before we get into the games. Like we've been saying for the last couple of weeks five stars for five years five year anniversary go on our our I tunes. Give us a five star review and in your five star review. If you have a favorite moment from the five year run of the podcast put it in there. And then starting next week. We're going to start combing through and then at the ends of podcasts will will shout out who the person was that one of the moment and will throw it in there as kind of like the final scene of each podcast. So please keep doing that. We've gotten a lot of responses already in their great. It's fun actually reading them. And just like remembering a lot of those moments from over the years. Also, I gotta say this please now more than ever subscribed to our. Pacific caught off-side podcast feed. We it said that if enough people start subscribing them will put in specific content just in that feed not in the ESPN FC feed where a lot of people get access to our show. Well, we have already acted on that promise because lo and behold Liverpool goalkeeping legend Bruce Grobbelaar was in-studio with us today to talk about yesterday's incredible Liverpool game his incredible career his incredible life story. It's thirty minutes. And it's it's great stuff. So Liverpool fans and non Liverpool fans. Like go into the caught offside podcast channel on apple podcasts. However, you get your podcasts, we have our own feed find it and you'll find that that is exclusive contents of that you won't find it on the ESPN FC feet, and you won't find a goalkeeper that's gone from the Rhodesian civil war to Anfield. What you will? You'll find one he talks about all of it, which I mean, it's incredible any talks in depth about how he. Sumed yesterday's Liverpool game Ling's, and why nights at onfield are so special told him I flat out said to him that I hear people say it, and I roll my eyes. I thought he was going to come across the computer at you and quiet. There was should I have said the man is crazy. Yeah. He's he's he's such a crazy guy with a with a crazy story. But he was great. He was in promoting the Western Union Cup 'cause Liverpool or going to come into the US the summer. I mean that ticket just became as if it wasn't already going to be a hot ticket going to this JJ, shall we shall we do this, shall we shall we talk about the thing that I never thought we would be talking about. And that is a Liverpool Tottenham Champions League final coming up. Right. Let's begin with Spurs in. I'm stir down. Necas? Lucasville. Mike. God in heaven. Guy Mowbray on the call. Who was who's been? He's great. But he has been sensational this competition. He was on the Tottenham city calls. He was on. I think both legs of this. He's. Wow. Listen credible. He would tell you that the drama presented itself. And he just called it on what drama what a second half. I'm possibly one of the greatest individual performances we've ever seen inside a forty five minutes of football at this level. By Lucas Maura which we'll talk about on a sec. But I do wanna start in the first half because you know. I mentioned the quote the other day for Mussa soco who had said, we know. I xe. We know what they're going to do. They're not going to sit back. They're gonna play their game. And in some respects that is a tip of the cap to. I axe that they believe so staunchly in their way of doing things and it has worked for them. And it worked for them today. Sokaia was right. They did come out. And I mean, the first ten minutes was it was dominant. I mean, it was really frightening watching how how that was just spiraling. So quickly for Tottenham. I XE jumped out to the quick lead as has been kind of Tottenham M O as of late and you felt like this was going to go bad quickly. And then I give Spurs credit because they gathered themselves. I think they understood that one nil didn't really matter. They're always gonna need to goals or look, obviously, it would have been nice for that goal to not happened. And one nil for Spurs could have been on in play to get its extra time, but they pretty much always. Do we need to anyway? So let's not lose ourselves here. And in fairness to them. They did rebound, and they probably could have had three goals in that first half. And you start seeing you know, I I said that son was getting a goal while we certainly had his chances, but a weak attempt on net. I it just it just wasn't quite clicking for them. You know, son put one off the post, and you see it gets a Lucas more. And he just can't quite get his leg around quick enough. And I'm thinking this is the difference right now. I'm watching Liverpool yesterday and Jordan Henderson's first goal. You know, Liverpool needed to score early Henderson puts one on and the bounce happens to go right to a reggae for Spurs. It just doesn't quite fall at Morris feet on the rebound. Like, those you start thinking about those little things and saying these are the things that need to go your way to get the win. And in the first half for Tottenham. They were certainly not going Spurs way. What was going in true Champions League? Style was the bizarre start the FOSS start by IX where you had a goal very very quickly. I like you said it didn't really change. The task at hand for Spurs. But what it did say was I XE mean business again and Spurs are in trouble here. Trippy failing to pick up licked that whole kind of that move there. I mean that was on conscionable what trip you had. And then later in the half for him to overcommit and be able to position to get to lose possession of the ball on for Todd. It's to get down the line to square to desire shoe finish brilliantly. Honestly when the net rocket with that, what was your thoughts? Oh my God. It's only I I didn't text you. But because I've been texting with another buddy of mine who was pretty hardcore rootin- for Spurs in and my friend Jordan, and I just I just texted him straight out of said game over a hotel you right? That was it for me when that happened. I do wanna go back to the first goal, though, the delectable 'cause at halftime on TNT. They were talking about that wasn't a foul or not right because well, look, here's the thing. I mean, I'm not surprised that it wasn't called. But. Look for tongue is clearly picked off of he were blaming trippy. But maybe the plan is for him to let delivered go and for tongs to pass him on yet. But over Tong and can't do that. Because he's who was it. For exit was blocking them off. It went to peak vanderbeek. Yeah. I mean, it seemed quite clear, I wasn't know. It was one of those where I wasn't gonna throw a temper tantrum at halftime when I saw it. But I do wonder if maybe trippy is taking a little too much flack because the plan was for tongue into eventually pick him up, and that was bad as that was definitely look at it as a mismatch and think even trivia goes with him is he going to be able to stop him. My biggest problem was there was a moment. Twenty one minutes on someone tweeted in response to what I'm about to say, whoa positions. Fifty fifty where I XE just dominated possession pass the ball Ronin in these triangles. I'm were quoting Spurs open on Spurs. Couldn't get the ball. All on as Jonathan Lou alluded to in his his match report, which he's done to tremendous match reports on the whistle over the last two days in the work going back and reading, but he said he made a midfield of Spurs. That is not slow old. Look, slow and old. And I just thought what happened in the first leg? Second second half won't happen. Again, can read you something. So this is a guy who I felt you on the run who came up short. I know I'm jumping ahead here. But I wanna talk about I XE hair this from Reuters on the their manager ten hack said this after the first leg, the is the is the quote our minds or a bit too much undefended the lead ten Hayek said, but it was also a show of strength by Spurs at showed. We have to cross another frontier tomorrow, we are confident we can do it. We are fit, and we are eager now for me, that's recognition which also made his post-match comments of them sitting back in the second half and allowing Spurs to build up momentum one. Once that happened. They couldn't take it back. They couldn't stem the tide. It's like having your finger in in in in in a damn once you take it out on the floor starts building. In the pressure starts behind the wall, the cracks appear, and it's over a coordinate believe that I would play that way. Again. There was a moment in the first half. Where happens I was enjoying himself so much that he pressed the spars fullback droopy trip as a back to lorries, he sprints note. This is this is like roadrunner stuff. He sprints any goes in on lorries the repays the ball out to the halfway line of the fire site on. It's picked up by saw a can't remember who it was a midfielder on sprints all the way round to press him. I'm like, you're going to be absolutely gassed, what are you doing? Well, they were running on a Drennan if it was total abandoned. It was chaos football on. I say chaos. It was organized, chaos grit. Triangles moving Spurs out of the way. But. To name not to our to complete seem to forget how to do that in the second half unfold back toward your inbox. You're you're eighteen yard line your own box as unconscionable. I counted understand it one of the things that surprised me most about this match which kind of speaks a little bit to what you're saying right now in watching that first half, and maybe I got sucked into watching. I x play that way with that much energy. And from having watched Tottenham over the last month, even against Manchester City, which in in the Champions League, which turned into one of the greatest triumphs. But that second leg, it's kind of a miracle. The Tottenham got through being disallowed at the end on kind of fluky bounce off Christian Erickson, I've watched Hutton lately. And they just look done. They just looked worn out whether that be through injury whether that be just through a long season in a number of all those things I'm watching the first half. And especially after the goal goes. In. I just think they just it's not for lack of effort. They just don't have it any. They have hit the wall. And I think Tottenham fans have been conditioned to feel that way. Because it's how the last few seasons have ended for Spurs title challenges that petered out. We've seen this from them. And so I think you you've seen it before you're watching this in front of you right now. And you just believe they can they just can't go any further and you want to applaud the effort and then the second half happens and like. What what what it Lucas more a take at halftime? I mean, we'll hang on a second, though, if you wanna pick a consistent thread throat, these two games for Spurs a piece of hope from that forward line, which was bereft of ideas at times, it was Lucas Mora in that first half even against I XE Andrew when in the first leg when he drove and got on the ball. And drove at that defense. They did not like it. He was immense over both legs over one hundred eighty minutes. His speed that he showed really on everything he does. And he has no like he has no other gear. He is always full speed all the time. And I give them all the credit in the world for that. But like the afterburners that he turned on to get to the first to get the delis ball on the first goal to threat through two defenders and still have the composure to finish at the end of it amazing dot com as I can I say something as well. Can I add daily into the mix there the way on his passes for when he was involved with the more goals, and he fed son? In the first half. And when sun kind of had a meek effort on net deli. Allie was sensational to probably should've had a goal himself. If not for an incredible safe from ONA on the on that volley from Delhi alley dot close one. That was well known Spurs didn't score that I thought it was still too. You're right. It's another one of those moments. I mean, I'm watching the game while work, and that was I feel bad for the guy who I work with who kind of sits in front of me. You can't see me. And so, you know, he's going about his doing his job or whatever. And then every once in a while he must have been terrified because he would just get like these bangs at infill wear, and like sudden like yelling and cursing for me and just like then taught him start scoring and sudden screams. It must have just been like what is going on behind me. Now, he was invested to sure he got seems like the whole country was. And then the second goal for Tottenham to get it to to to you know, again like like with Delhi moment shortly before that for an Endo your intake had he not had he not score. But this miscommunication between own Ana and the defender Shona and Shawna. Like these little moments in the ball squeaks free and Lucas Moore. Who dribbles between defenders get space whips one around on the goal. I'm afraid in the replays that we'll see in the future. It will all be the winning goal. And quite rightly because that was that was the pinnacle moment for Spurs in the game. But his feet in the box to dig out something to leather at home between a felt like it went between someone's legs are like the brain is fried. There was a gap there, and he found it was just unbelievable. And then you're thinking this is so on well, then yes now the world is reinvested in a game that it had kind of given up on. And there's always that voice in the back of my head. It's spurs. It's spurt like this is what they do. I said to you before we started recording that there was a point when we got to the eighty seventh minute on the corner kick and the ball falls too for Tongan former I XE player bloodied. Face in the previous match able to go in the second leg chance to be a hero been with the club forever. It feels like literally amassed avenger. Yeah. And if falls to him in that moment to be the hero. No one near him six yards out and heads it off the bar comes right back to them. Second attempt. Put on net cleared off the line. And that's the you drop your head in your hands moment. And you think it's Spurs you knew that they were gonna suck you back in. And you just knew that. There was going to be that moment where you thought you had at one like against the event is in the Champions League last year when it fell off the post in stoppage time like and this was that moment, and the fact that. Like while the while fans around the world might have put their head in their hands. They never did. They never did. And once again long ball in the ninety fifth Moro. Okay. Okay. Let's back up there sparky right before that. There was a beautiful. I won't vindication for a man. Who's being highly criticized the Spurs goalkeeper Zayat again has the chance to finish it. It's over on Ugo Reese, pulls off one of the most important is probably the most important save in the history of Tottenham Hotspur football shop the most I'm happy to say that because that goes in. You've done. It's over. And then it's a long bowl lumped towards your enter another man who is. I I don't know. I don't know how some players on this team will be viewed in the future, but he's written his name into Spurs. They're all gods now. Right. And he flicks that on perfectly into delis path on what's required. There is just ice in your veins, a cool nece and he slides a perfect bowl into Lucas Mora. And what's even more amazing as we see in the replay? There's two feet there. Two defenders. They're ready. Andrew nine times out of ten that's blocked that stopped. He doesn't hit it particularly. Well, but he hits it right in the corner, pasta, Nana side-netting and histories written. Terms to Lucas. Two. To the jerk. Make them I ring tone. I think I think the gift we should all share for the coming month is Tino on the grass the man of five hundred dollar who Bossuyt just in tears, a hit the emotion from him was maybe what was most jarring of the whole scene at the end of the because that's not really who. He is. He's and I won't say that he's he's not stoic. I don't know that that's the right word. But there is this kind of way about him that he's just always kind of measured. Yeah. You know, even when things are choppy there, and you know, he'll say things that maybe you don't always want to hear him say, but his general way about him is is fairly even keeled. He doesn't even get. I mean, it doesn't get as ready as your Klopp gets on a regular basis. You know, he's I dunno. He's stoic isn't a bad word. I don't know. Why you don't like it? Because he 'cause he's not like a dull. Oh, man. I I don't want to give off that know that feeling of him. But just to see him this outpouring of emotion from him. And you understand why? Because these last few years for Tottenham have been wall. Great. There's been this kind of like tinge of disappointment that has an era of overshadowed a lot of this era, an air of sadness. Yeah. And he jobs on finished. Right. And he's had to kind of live with that the stadium situations. You know, the inactivity in the transfer market. He earlier this year at the center of the Manchester United managerial rumors he's dealt with, you know, decent amount while he's been at this club. And I think this was just kind of even though they haven't won a trophy here. It just felt like this moment was a culmination of like, a validation basically of this entire era for Tottenham under eighteen I think he's he's been fighting within the club in without you know, he's fighting other teams on on a daily basis trying to keep Spurs in that Oprah action on while a new stadium Gozo Poile. He has no money spent on transfers, and there was a real sense of like the only one the only incoming player to Tottenham Hotspur score. The hattrick in eighteen months. You know, there is certain there's something there. It's crazy when you think about Lucas Mora scoring this hatrick becomes just the fifth player in Champions League history to register a hat trick in a semi final or final which you like to give shot at the others. Shoop aegis power on gummy Rinaldo in two thousand seventeen for Ramat in the semi's eleven doffs key when he was at Dortmund in the semi finals in two thousand thirteen she's learned four of each of which for buyer Munich in two thousand in the semi final. And then Alexandra Del Piero for events in the ninety eight semi final and Lucas Maura. I mean when your name is written up there with Pierrel pretty special Rinaldo Levin Dossena help gyro Mora. Now, look he he was already kind of etching his name into Tottenham Laura when he scored the goal against Barcelona at the camp now in the final group stage game now gets on though. Well, not on maybe not on more like an international basis, but among the Tottenham faithful I think that was a moment that would never be for. This is not a first name on the team sheet kinda guy. He's a he may Harry canes. Becky may not even start the final. I I don't want to jump ahead time. We have time. But I will say there's beware. The DA go cost syndrome from twenty fourteen the talismanic center forward who is not one hundred percent fit on new stardom and take him off much better to bring him on with fifteen left than it is to start him and take him off. Then honestly with the fluidity and the way that from three complete together. I'm not changing a whole lot. If he's healthy. How like how do you not start him if but you're right? If he's healthy, we'll have to wait and see. Should talk about I exited the bit. I've I've I've something here at you. You ask what happens next for the losing team? And I jumped on that because I saw a line again from Jonathan lose match report that sums things up. It's a little bit grim. I XE dominated large sections of the hundred minute the hundred eighty minutes of this tight and against the about is flawed aside as you can realistically expect to face at this site of the competition looked good value for their first Champions League final and more than two decades. But the closer got the harder they seem to grasp at it. In defense. They dropped deeper trying to thwart Tottenham. But instead offering only encouragement in attack chances came and went agonisingly, agonizingly begging. It will take them months years to get over this perhaps they never will. Well, they won't because as a collective they'll never play again to get together. I do notice what he saw. There was this gaping hole on Tagliavini Tagliaferro daily blend side that opened up Spurs just drove into it so regularly. I'm like, where's their fullback? Where did they they played on one side? Like they were down to ten men in that second half at times. There is a sadness about this. Because in the modern game a team that, you know, the bottom side in the Premier League will take in more money than the champions of the DOJ air Davinci, you know, in a time where your break in your kind of regular transfer rules to bring into do Santana JR. That was seemed like something of an extravagance to them. And that was thirteen million in this time. It does feel like something that's sore Ganic put together and that it's failed at this point. It does really it. It's jarring. I'm not saying that they're not a great club. But what they've done here is a little bit like catching lightning in a bottle. And now you're gonna have to ask them to do it again. It just seem you're right. It seems there is a sadness to it. 'cause we thought for one moment we thought, and I still believe on we'll talk next week when I get a chance. Out about teams like taffy and on the champ is, but we still believe in the LeicesteR cities. And we still believe in teams the Rosenbergs teams that can come into this and compete, but. It it does. It's it's jarring fair or not I can't help but continuously compare them to Monaco from a few years ago who reached Champions League semi final and didn't advance. And look the state of Monaco. Now will I XE go the same route? I don't I have no idea, and it may not be a fair comparison. But I I just can't help. But look at that as the model for kind of a club of that stature, I know I is more of a global brand in his head. You know, a great history of European success? But where they're at now. Yeah, you're right. It's going to be very difficult for them. Like, you said, we know diong is gone to Barcelona delivered his most likely headed somewhere how they keep. I mean, they're narrows who didn't play tonight as being linked with nearly with Liverpool. Liverpool Spurs on Chelsea, although Chelsea have Haddon pretty well transfer ban was held of so tough. That's not good for them. Yes. Zayakin? Will he I mean pick a name quite other than maybe daily blend? Or I would imagine could you see tach making another move. No. I don't think. I think so this has been such a rip roaring success to go from Southampton and the struggles of the bottom of the primarily to the Champions League semi final. He will be he will be Harding tonight. They all will. And I think, you know, there's a lot of characters they're Edwin vendors czar, Mark Overmars on even the manager who who have endeared themselves to people on this run that they, you know, there seemed to be building the club the right way, and it sat and I don't want to make the sound funeral for I XE because unlike Monaco, it would be nothing short of shocking for I XE to at least not remain at or near the top of their domestic league for the next decade twenty years thirty or four forever. So you know, whereas Monaco had this plummet through league. I don't see that happening with X. So their Champions League days are far from over. They will continue to compete in this competition. They will continue to get out of group stages, and there are still great days ahead for them. But this was a team that could have won a European Cup. And that's not. Going to be an easy feat for them to repeat moving forward. There's no question about that. But it is taught them go through before we get out. I did want to play for you Lucas Mora after the game because he is now the deity now there's going to be a statue of him outside of the new White Hart Lane at some point be statue of him in your front guy. I can't wait for when you gently what's on your nightstand. Is it a picture of your child a picture of your wife lamp and a clock? All right is there. I mean, I pictures all over the house but not on my nightstand. There is going to be a picture of your wife replaced at some point with Lucas yet here he was after the game on the win. I always believed that it was possible to come here to win to go. To the final. And we fight we fight. That's what we need to put our intensity in the second half was was amazing and ever run. We did really well Hansel engine joy this moment symposium, which is playing. I still don't even don't even really know what happened today. Tottenham are in. All right. We're gonna go ahead. We'll take a very quick break. When we come back on the other side. It's your turn my friend, Paul in one of the I mean, these are really to how you rank these in terms of like on the drama scale. It's just been back to back days of the greatest soccer that you could hope to witness, please don't go anywhere more coming right up. This driving on the go reggae. Chakarit? Incredible. What? Quickly. Two. Take this. It's paul. Mother of God. When did you think when did you think that it could happen? Can can I can I say something can I admit something? Oh, no. You didn't believe before? I kept it kind of quiet because you know, sometimes there's nothing worse than than believing too hard and believing in fairy tales but early on in the game Shaquir, he pulled one a shot across the gold before Aridjis I school. I'm like, they they look rattled. What are you doing that? They defending the reaction of their centrebacks the looks on their faces what it's that easy to get at them tonight. And I thought okay. But when I really felt it was the double punch and the double punch was when Allen goal followed by the Alan goal. You it reminded me of. And again, I always. Go back to it of what we did last season. I know it was later in the game. But the rapid fire goals pep said about the league game where we beat Manchester City when it gets to one, okay, we must not panic. This is okay, we must. We must become buyers were anything can the minute that second goal goes in their panic it, they're absolutely panicking. What you gotta do button down the hatches. Make sure there's not a third the third inside two minutes. I know I'm my head explode. I was this is on they've they're bottling it right in front of our eyes. They are bottling it go at them co for the job dealer. But I never taught never thought that the third goal would are the winning gore. Sorry the fourth goal to the goal to take us to to the Champions League final. I was looking at extra time. I was looking at penalties. I never thought they were concede off. Corner in the fashion that they did. Well, you didn't think a twenty year old kid with think to do a quick corner with the tire Barcelona team just asleep on the field? That's not a normal way for Champions League to end. Can I tell you first of all I want you to play the BBC radio five live audio which is one of the great calls in Dennis on Alan Shearer, drink this in east on the east blocking in. Peaches. You'll repeat. European. Trend. Which is go to sleep. He lives in this new. That's what route. Own believable. And it was a look like a look across the dance floor. He was leaving that for Shakira. And as he walks out. He catches he's on. He sees them. Arguing now Simon Hughes in the independent roared. How Liverpool's video analysts had noticed that Barcelona argue a lot on free kicks Carnac, stay complained. They moan, no. It was unbelievable that finally this kind of the kind of nonsense that we hit from these teams, the the griping and the moaning a caught them out the goalkeeper tear steak and was looking down the field. And the the defenders were I mean, they were in some kind of conclave. The other thing is I don't want to overstate his he's a professional football. I'm aware of that Trent Alexander Arnold to go back and whip the ball from the angle that he did with the accuracy that he did for latte to land right in front of a reggae. That is so hired to do nine times out of ten you're training to quickly, and you shank it. It's a moment of clarity. It's a moment of vision of total perfection from the kid. I went absolutely not actually tell ally. I couldn't really understand what I see. I was waiting for VAR. I was waiting for you took that too quickly. I was waiting for just some kind of stoppage to explain the complacency of back Celona. Incredible. It's funny because you know, so much of the game. We talk about you know, tactics and match ups and things like this. And sometimes it just comes down to nothing more than a great, footballers intuition. And instinct Alexander Noah, you say that maybe they had said that Barcelona argue on free kicks they had on and that was in the scouting report. But whatever like ultimately his half Steph to execute this happened this this happened without thought really this was just Alexander owner who quickly saw something like you said a quick glance from diva Caridi. Two guys who were just on the same page. And like, I think it's the kind of thing that you can't give it thought. Because if you give it thought you'll start to overthinking say, no, no, no, let me just play it safe here. Let's get who was it secure. That was going to carry what this is the thing. This is just pure instinct. I see it bang going for goal. We just won the Champions League semi final. It's just it'll happen. So fast last week Graham soon as was on Champions League, Judy in the UK and. For some reason he launched into this tirade about people. I guess the Stotts people, and I guess the Jonathan Wilson's of this world. Who are you know, they talk about tactics, and they believe that tactics and desire and commitment are all netted together. And soon as an ex football mine rails against that. And he said be first to the ball. He said if you're one sentence he said if your first of the bowl, you can make things happen Liverpool were I to every single bowl. So let me tell you about my evening. So I watched the game yesterday. I'm coming out of my office. And I'm I'm clammy sweaty with joy on a mess on. It's the night before my bartender said I'm cracking open about law of wine sent to us by a listener Lee, Starling remember that it's right sent a molten in that bad boy, by the way, wonderful on. I'm gonna sit down we're going to pay to ninety-nine to report. Oh, you did. I'm gonna watch the whole. Thing again, Andrew. The relentlessness of Liverpool. We talk about this kind of pressing. And and this this hive heavy metal football. This was something beyond. This wasn't heavy metal. This was Pantelleria. It was actually it was beyond pantera. It was trash metal. It was. All right. It was separate showroom at. They're just their angriest. For ninety minutes. There's a moment in the eighty first minute where Sergio Bush gates who has been kicked and cluttered round the Anfield field for eighty one minutes, and he gets the ball in what you would describe as a semi safe area. He's dissenter circle on his side of the Barcelona site out of nowhere combs this bottled of head Jordan Henderson. Smashes them and wins the ball. There was no leisure base was the most unbelievable. Victory for that mentality that we're going to go out there, and we're not gonna let you play and you may have a better midfield. And you may have the greatest player in the world. But guess what you won't have time to breathe we're going to suffocate you. It's so true. Like, let's break it down. Yeah. That's midfield that consisted of for being who who is a good ball paying footballer. But who who did more? I've never seen tackles out of him and Anderson consistently all night. It's not just that for being it was yellow carded in what minute hence eleven early. He played the full ninety. Did he not he did? And he's dealing with messy and Soir like he's dealing with these Katina. He's dealing with these players all night, and he managed to make it through with a fairly flawless performance on that yellow car. I mean that was that could have been potentially dangerous for them. But it's just like Trent Alexander Arnold on the second goal. He gives away the bowl. It's sloppy gets a right back straight back and wicks a bowl to an album who scores when out and who was raging. When Alden who was probably full of of. Kind of rage. That's Petur have live on stage because he wasn't starting. I'm look what he does come on the head or just own believable Josie Marie-Noelle who is just brilliant on television though, sums up what this game was about. And some that open one man's name. I didn't expect told impossible is nothing. I told if sports Sibal I'm feel this one of the places to to make impossible be possible. But I have to say that for me, these Ramon Tara has one name Jurgen. I think this is not about tactics. This is not about philosophy. This is about heart and soul, and fantastic empathy. That he created that group of players. They they they had the risk of finishing a fantastic season without nothing to celebrate. And now, they are one step from being European champions. And and I think you're gonna deserves was remarkable about that to me Andrew is he's just outlined everything that he was not much just United point. He can see it. So when we talk about Marino wanting to live in a constant state of fear. Maybe he doesn't have the charisma. Maybe he doesn't have the ability to make players want to die on the field for him. But there was a time. I mean, you hear from former Chelsea players that adored him Damian doll says it all the time he would have run through walls, but maybe somewhere along the line. He's he stopped doing that. Are he can't project in the way he used to? But but back to Klopp this is a unique chemistry. There was a moment. Right at the end where James Milner who? Is the to me of coaching Klopp coaching that he's taken this reared transfer that I trashed. And as made him into this warrior on the field, and he comes over, and he picks him up this utility, man. This man for all seasons. This guy that can slot in at fullback that can start center mid the compay anywhere for this team. And he picks him up. A Miller cryan like he he it was almost I thought he was going to rip him in his arms and do go full officer and a gentleman with just carry him off the field, but he was exhausted through the the the empathy that's created between manager Marino summed it up perfectly. You a lot of people roll. There is a lot of people roll their eyes about Klopp, the charisma the laugh, the hugs all that this team is fighting and dying. And it wasn't the first choice team will that's what makes it so amazing. And it's something that I I actually mentioned last week that I wanted to bring up again today because I said one thing for Liverpool is that you have a team of unsung heroes. You know, when Sala is out when from you know, is out. Income's diva Caridi. Who scores two goals? Like you said when Aldam not starting the game comes in as a sub at halftime scores. Two goals like. If I told you before the game that liberal we're gonna win four no with I mean, maybe say Riga gets one. But like who's guessing that these are? Here's you think maybe Monica it's a hat trick. Maybe milliner converts a penalty like this is for these two guys to step up in the way that they did it's it's a testament not just to them. But it's a testament like you said to your who he instills this in every member of the team. I'm watching when that game ended. Because the game was was riveting unto itself, but you couldn't turn it off because the scenes that Anfield afterwards really were truly memorable. And you're watching Uragan go from player to player. You know, you get players who are as meaningful to them as Alison and Monay. And he's hugging them. And then he's going over to people that you, you don't know you don't even recognize these people and he's hugging them in the same way. And like you can tell every person on that club. Feels a sense of purpose. A sense of belonging. We have in our interview with Bruce Grobbelaar. He talks about Liverpool. When I asked him, what is this feeling this? You know, these European nights? He says the thing about it is it is truly a family. And I don't know if that if there was a period of time when it went away. I don't mean for that to be an indictment on the managers who have been there in the year since some of them are former Liverpool men this. But for whatever it is that went on in those past years your Klopp. If there is this family. Feeling around the club. He has brought it back. There is no question about it. And you see it on the faces of every one of those players after the game. No, I totally agree on them. It was really emotional. Because there's there's such a connection between the fines and the players that has somehow endured in modern era where the players don't live down the road from you. And they don't go to the buyer, and they don't go to the same shops as you. So you have to create something some kind of link with the team and somehow Klopp has managed to do that and Klopp is very aware of this. Remember when they used to come on the field. Remember they had a draw last year against West Brom when they're fighting for top four a droll, and they they snatched a draw from from defeat regular season game. And they go down Klopp Concon, and they clap the cop, and you're like, Oma, Godin burst. Like, it's West Brom. Come on guys. We're. We've got to be bigger than that on me. I'll take the criticism when he jumped on the field after the regal showed that passion and hugged was it DeJean Lovran are whoever was he picked up on you got flying, obviously. And I looked at that. And I thought small-time way we doing this. But it's all building towards something. I care about you. I care about this job. We are a family. I care about the history. I care about the people who come to the games, and he alluded to the fines as well. The atmosphere was red hot and Klopp was asked an interesting question about the kind of symbiosis between the fans and the victory last night. Yeah, he was asked if this would have happened in an empty state while I thought was a request not a chance we know that this club is the mix off at fear emotion. Desire and football. Quality without you cut off one. It doesn't work. We know that said it before. For me, disrupt after describe it. It's a big heart and tonight. It was obviously like crazy. What is it? Doing this pounding pounding like crazy, and you could hear it probably and feel it all over the roads. It's just unbelievable. I'm so happy that could give the people. This this experience, and I'm really happy about having another chance. To get the things right from our point of view. I think he started there by saying no chance that he said he said no chance that an empty stadium could produce that. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. No, I'm I'm one of the first people. Didn't it primarily grounds are not what they used to be three o'clock kickoffs mundane games, they're not like as regularly raucous, but they can be, but they can be an it's there, and if you harness it it can be something amazing and at Liverpool. It is a real living breathing thing. It's it's such a cliche. But it's a twelve twelfth man. It absolutely is an drives them on under so much the history of the club. The heartache in old people went. To get them livable matches and never came home. And there's a sense of ownership of the club by defines. But there's also a sense of responsibility from the players, and I think that maybe under so managers that responsibility was not properly. Addressed I know New York and Klopp. It has been certainly has his honesty is refreshing afterwards. This was this game was madness. For to go down the way that it did against Barcelona of all teams to have done this Klopp was asked afterwards just about the game and people who are trying to set it. How do they do it? How do they do the manager? Didn't even know how they did it. He said the whole game was too much winning difficult, but with a clean sheet. I don't know how they did it. He doesn't even know the. But that's the point Liverpool. I told you before we don't have appeared low. We don't have a voice gets in the middle of the park, a guy who's going to control things what we have is latent aggression. What we have is when I smash into attack of that ball's gonna break somewhere. We're going to be on it and things happen in those moments of chaos, and then we have the quality to execute a pass to execute a Finnish to do something special. That's what that is. Yeah. Now on the other side of this. We do have to mention Barcelona. Here because you know, you're talking about the aggression from Liverpool, and it was clear to see. And it's why they won four nil. There's no question about it. The you know India, and I think the right team won like you look at the aggregate score of four three. And if you just flew in from Mars and saw that scoreline, but you know, you knew these teams were good. You could say I could see that you never would have thought. It would go the way that it did. But in the end, I think Liverpool beating Barcelona four three over two legs is that's feasible, but for Barcelona to concede these four the way that they did in succession, I don't they will get up from it there. Maybe the greatest club in the world with the greatest player the world has ever seen who is still in his prime. Make no mistake about that. But this is two years in a row now where this has happened last year against Roma which may be looking back on it was more inexcusable than this. Even simply because I do believe this Liverpool. Teen is an all time team. I don't know that we're saying that about last year's Roma. No, we're definitely not for this to happen. Two years in a row to this. This edition of Barcelona. Are people going to pay for this in their with their job? Or is it going to be massive turnover? In terms of the roster like this. It's great for them to win the league while Liga's. No, that's no small feat Atlantico Madrid. You know? That's a great thing. But I mean, who are we kidding Barscelona aspirations are simply higher than that. They believe they should be winning this competition every year, especially when they see what their biggest rival in Real Madrid been doing over the last five six year. Now, I can't be guaranteed that it would have made a difference. But I thought Vilvorde a picked a lumbering midfield by plane pairs like data Fidel actually had a decent first half. But second half hundred. This seemed almost like Spurs did in the first half against ex today like kinda slow and old and off the pace and also on able to deal with the aggression. That was being forced upon them continue is going to the reports out of Barcelona continual will be a sacrificial lamb for this team. He is. I mean, it's opened up a dam of. Oh, he does. Don't train. Well, he's not a Barcelona player coaches of being unhappy. The commentary was just I don't know, man. Some of this just feel so reactionary to me, we're we're not in it day in day out with Barcelona. We don't cover the team reporters who do see things differently. So I will defer to them, but you know, they are waltzing to a league title. And what are you? What is it you always site as Brian Cluff who always talks about the true barometer of teams greatness is probably how they perform in the league what he's always said whether or not that's true, we can debate that I think most people look at the Champions League winner typically as the best team in in Europe and in the world, but Barcelona or waltzing to a title in the league, and they do the seemingly every year. It feels like right now are things that bat was this just one bad night on the heels of year ago suffering from one bad night. Well. Let's look at it. They did create chances last night. Really good chance did. And they did not convert them what who's mon- belly scores in the in the first leg to go. Put that a I mean, you think about some of these miss chances while it's true, no Liverpool. I think it wasn't for three nil did not reflect properly on Liverpool in the first leg, but equally it could have been foreign had them belly. Don't his business, and you wonder about the debts there. He got for messy messy Clinton new. There's there's the three new left the door slightly open, especially if you get an early goal as Liverpool did four nine it just it would have put them in a kind of an insurance zone with that with that fourth goal. But with the way Liverpool play you would you would never have known. Maybe they could've got like five if they had to anything seemed possible anything's possible. There's one guy not to cut you off. But I do wanna call someone out because you're buying large. I thought Barcelona did have moments where they were decent in this game. Like, you said three no may not have properly. Resembled what the first game was. I don't know that Barcelona were worthy of being four nil losers in the second one either. But I gave I feel so dumb. I gave all this praise to Jordi Alba after the first like I chose that moment to suddenly come out and say, hey, this guy is unbelievable. He was so bad in the second leg could not believe I was watching the same player, and I wanna credit Henry Bush Nell on Twitter. There was a moment in the first half. I believe when Barscelona our bombing forward. They have numbers in attack and the ball comes to Jordi Alba and JJ he's one on one with the keeper. And I didn't even really see it in real time, but Bush Nell on Twitter account, if you go back, and look he has like a freeze frame of the moment. Jordi Alba is one on one with the keeper. He has an angle if he wants to take it. He could score this goal, and he chooses in that moment to play it back to messy rather than taking himself, and he plays it back to mess. It gets way. And nothing. Comes from it. It gets Nick. Yeah, I've talked by virtue of how it ended. Yeah. And I just look at that. And this was after the first goal where Jordi Alba was at fault. And you think ok his confidence is gone that moment early in the he's rattled. And he's done, and you continue to see it throughout the course of the game. I don't wanna put it all on one guy because a capitulation like that is hardly one guy's fault. But man it stood out to me because because I proclaimed him to be this great player. And I still think he is. But he was so bad. He was so bad that the first goal the lax days ago the header what does he think? Oh, no. Again, Trente Alexander earn losing the bowl there. Okay. You can you can argue that that shouldn't automatically to go. But with the way Liverpool are playing it does. I thought I thought Alison had a really good game that he made a save from was Jordi Alba's well towards the end of the first half he made a brilliant amid of very solid stop from Cotino early on. When when Barcelona were big inning to click. Remember that a rages one two between rackets and messy right at the end where it's basically a one too. But it's over about twenty yards and messy finds himself in the back post. No, he doesn't get the best connection. He's ever got volleys at the near post. And he's gotta make a save there as well. He was excellent. He really wasn't. He was a calming force in that whole Liverpool defense which in the second half. I mean, sparse Lona they've got to create more than that. They didn't. Because guess what every time that tried to do anything? It was rage rage. That is angry music if I've ever heard it, but it is true. It's it was to meet that kind of that level of ability of Barcelona's unto just suffocated. This is just hasn't even sunk in yet. I should tell you and everybody listening, whatever I'll tell all of you. You're all like family to me. Anyway, I was this close to crying at work today. Have you ever cried at work? Lot of question. Probably. Here's a frustration working with you. No, no from me. I I thought of a few people yesterday. I'll let you do your crying. Let me talk about going for one we second. Yeah. Yeah. At fulltime. It was you did always even when I was when I was talking earlier on the podcast here. I'm I'm trying to keep it together. Look, I'll say this. I don't blame you. Because like I said when the game ended and you watch the players line up in front of the cop. The players are crying the fans are crying. I mean, you've heard a lot of dishes that song. It was one of the most full-throated seeing songs that I've ever heard from that from that stadium. And they've had a lot of good ones over the years. So I could see why you would brought me back to Kiev last year. And there was this weird moment of silence when we kind of knew the gig was off and we weren't going to lift old big ears. And it was a lot of people just kind of housing yard stare stare note onto the field. And there was this moment of silence couldn't hear anything and the liberal funds were utterly. Utterly quiet. An a breeze came in off the river, and it was like warm summer breeze. And I was like. We might be here. Again, we might get here again. And then you're walking out of the grown and. You're all together. Like and people were talking, and they just had so much faith in Klopp was his. It's unbelievable. He's like a benevolent called later. Like, an amazing guru people talking. I'm coming down the steps with a guy you've never met. And I said all right. We've needed the chance to keep her for a while though. He will address it we need we need to sort out something in the midfield. And he will signing was for being yo-. And you just you felt like good. But you didn't know if you'd be back again, it was this weird melancholy, and and your back and you're back, we're we're more than back. This is back to back finals where we're back in the lead of European football for the first time since before the ban like we haven't being consistently I know to back to back finals in the mid two thousand we went to earn doing no two and three years, but it never I don't know it didn't feel like European dominance. And then we went into the wilderness journey the the years at the end of the gelatin Hicks era before if his Tiki man, this feels different Liverpool and Tottenham are gonna play in the Champions League final this next three weeks is going to be incredibly fun as we build up to this a promise to everybody listening who are not Liverpool. In fact, we're not gonna be insufferable swear to you. We're gonna talk about everything there's US women's World Cup to get ready for there's Gold Cup stuff for the US. I saw the Andre Ettlin, unfortunately has had to have surgery and now we'll be doubt potentially for the Gold Cup. So we are still going to do all that MLS. I did actually have all the stuff for MLS that I was ready to talk about today. FC Cincinnati made a managerial change there were trades. Justin Maram is now a member of Atlanta. United f c she's actually have all this stuff here to talk about. But it just today is just not the day where people are itching for that stuff. No today's day of their games and analyst tonight. I know I know before I will do a quick what to watch for before that I do just want to say that for people in the northeast or the New York area. We don't know yet. But we do wanna do because it's just feels this is just too unique to ignore not like Liverpool. This happens you guys like I said you guys were here last year. And I could see you being like we've said repeatedly throughout this run by Tottenham. You don't know when this is going to happen. This is something truly uniquely different and special. So we desperately want to do something uniquely different and special for the Champions League final whether that be a watch party somewhere, we're gonna we're gonna think about this over the next week, and hopefully have something for you. 'cause last year it was it was JJ in the back of taxi go into his go to his hotel and Kiev, and that was fun. But you were like the anchor. This is such a weird feeling right now because here you, and I are, you know, you've got your Liverpool jersey on I got my Tottenham jacket on and when you came in tonight after the the Tottenham game, we gave each other big hug, and we're cheering with each other the way we started the podcast and screaming. Oh, yes. At the same time. Like, we're we're United right now in this mutual joy that our teams have gotten to this point. And that we're gonna wake up tomorrow, and we're gonna realize wait a minute. I we're playing I'm playing that team. Now, like, this is I'm almost worried about a mutual watch party with you a me with fans of Spurs and Liverpool almost worried because like the emotion of which just went down in the semi finals is just at such a fervor for both of these clubs right now that. We got a little nervous. You got any operatic music because I feel like this is a trailer trailer for film operatic music plays this summer to friends two brothers tour apart by final. They never expected in a year. That's been something else for the Champions League. And then it'll it'll cut to me and you having this. This this joyous moment. It'll show our HOGAN slow MO torn apart by the clubs they love, and you and it'll show you then caught you turn around. I loved you, man. What have you become? I will I'll make a promise you right now. I swear I'm going to be as good during this time as I can possibly be. I'm not gonna be a d a promise a promise it's going to be very hard on such a bad guy. It just didn't you? You don't think at any point? I'm just going to go, look, this is the culture club versus the little imposter and all that kind of stuff. You know, what I'm at a point right now where I actually on on embracing that I kind of enjoy because when Tottenham had these moments along the way when they were in the title challenge against LeicesteR. They weren't there was they weren't the underdog the fund underdog story that was less. There were like why aren't they doing better even going into today? Like, I asked may be a better team than Tottenham. They I know Tottenham went through, but they re I really might be. But even still taught that made it to Champions League semi final. And they still couldn't really own the fund underdog story that was still I x now we can have it trotting against Liverpool. You're clear favorites. You may end up winning the league who knows come the end of this weekend. So if you wanna if you wanna take that tact, I will own that, I'm enjoying the underdog role in this can I mentioned Christian Erickson very quickly because Ireland of Demer regularly. I've I've seen his post-match. Brutal honesty, it is brutality. He does. Not mince words. He is the kind of guy where you know, if you came in. He said, oh, man. I love this new jacket. What do you think about new jagged? I'll go. Yes. So great jacket, even if I think it's horrifically Christian Erickson will go it's horrible. Take it off right now burner. Never speak of it again tonight. He said I XE were definitely the better team over the two legs. He said it came out and said it straight away, and then he goes, and then he was asked about the comeback. And he goes what we had to do something. Like, what was he said the other option was we'll have some of his quotes here, read them. He says today, it was non tactical more of a fight and heart performance heart and Lucas Maura. He's how we won the game. He deserves it. It's been a roller coaster of season for him to get us in the final. I hope he gets a statue in England after this. We are blown away on he's so honest that he. He probably will call up Daniel Levy and say how's Lucas statue coming on? Oh my God. We have a mailbag. So we do. Yeah. I've a quick one. Because by the way, we're in the thousands of I don't think I'm going to be able to get back to everyone who who wished us, well like in this tribal moment. Football has never been more weaponized in terms of rivalries of fines than in the social media age. But a lot of people who, you know, give us a lot of abuse during the regular season have been almost human about what happened over the last two days. But anyway, join do quick mailbox super-quick 'cause I still have what to watch for. All right. Okay. May first of all at this is a very well intentioned message that was sent Twitter tweet Ishmail. This is we're looking at. It's amazing how important and influential a football notch can be this is from the house of Commons. And the first voice you hear is Jeremy Corbyn leader of the opposition. He is referencing Liverpool's amazing win as a way of a I guess a jibe the Prime Minister Theresa may view of the amazing performance of Liverpool last night. Perhaps the prime minister could take some tips from. Yergin cloak on. How to get a good result in Europe? The Liverpool win over Barcelona Knauss night. We'll shows is that when everyone says it's all that you'll European position of. The cokes king down. It's time to can see defeat actually be considered secure successive. Everyone. Sick burned or friend. That is just so horrific. So that's what it's all about. So I smoke goes. It's amazing how important and influential football match can be there's nothing more important than football. But it's utterly worthless. When these people are talking about it, it's it's when they're using it for political. Yeah. It's a meaningless attempt political point scoring, and it's a cynical on these are people who are bringing the country to the point of it might actually be hired to sign players for Liverpool and Spurs, and because of Brexit, and I just want to hear from them when I was in fifth grade. I ran for student council president, and in my speech, an unreal, man. I referenced the Mighty Ducks and the way they came together. I was in fifth grade these are professional politicians using the same essentially insert Liverpool with Mighty Ducks. They made the same speeches me if I did win, by the way. Oh, I bet. Mr President is really what you're probably referring referring to me. I bet. You're ever lose as your policies were week. You were a week later on. There was a military coup in the school, and you are ousted. That'd be held up in the in the boiler room the tanks rolling in at feed. Al cash flow to three cat, wait to hear the smog. Andrew Goodling and exceedingly self-satisfied Jada divinely barely keep it together and share joy only to gradually turn on each other. When they begin analyzing the looming final this will be the true test of their partnership. So it is fun. I wonder I wonder how many people out there who are fans are Everton fans who thought you know, what I'm curious what they have to say about I'll listen, and they heard the way we started with a screaming. No, I can't do it. Shut it off. There's a few of them. All right. Joey are. So if I judge it Vanni and. At eagling both flight Madrid wash their teams. How are we going to have a podcast the next few soccer pas are going to be absolutely mental. Well, that's why it makes sense that we have a watch party and do something along those lines here in New York. We've got a mobile the way guys if you know of a buyer that will be full that is not parent is on let us know. Let's get involved. Let's let's start some kind of conversation here. Please get in touch. You can get us on Twitter soccer powder caught off site pod at dot com. Spaceman six nine does. This mean the end of the pod for good. And you said because this is what I haven't referenced that. Now, my this was my nightmare. This was always my nightmare was for Tottenham to wind up against you lot in the final me lauding it over you. It's happened at Garcia George seventeen Liverpool. Spurs UCLA final. I'm in Philly. But I'd love a cough side, watch party in Manhattan. That is the way we are thinking kale Wilson the most anticipated pod since Trinidad I mean, I guess funny. Someone said that because I think I said the same almost the same words tonight that I said that night, but for the complete opposite reason, I remember the sort of the Trinidad podcast, I said, this is the podcast. We never thought we do because the thought of the US not qualifying was crazy. And I said the same thing tonight with this is the podcast. I never thought I'd do Tottenham in a Champions League. Final against Liverpool. Yes. In parallel. It is interesting after Trinidad you went into paralysis of the mouth and here for twenty minutes. Twenty minutes staring at a screen refreshing hope hoping that something was wrong in the table. Yeah. It was no let's not do this again, by the way ahead VAR existed. The US would have gone to the world and at any it lane at laimi, oh two thousand while your podcast will be fun to listen to. I was going to enjoy the misery. I thought but now I will enjoy the elation snick tunes questions. Remember couple episodes go when Andrew said he'd quit the pod of Tottenham loss than the ultimate coughs I- Darby in the Champions League. Final law JJ. How would you feel if Tottenham on the final could the pod go on now? I love this too much. I love what we do too much. I would keep it going that podcast is going to. I'm saying right now that's gonna be a really truly difficult one for someone. But we're professionals are we we are what is this. I hit when you do this. How in the moment of the greatest joy. Can you be this work to fans look at us right now being were wearing we screened like like children at the start of this. What's been professional about the last hour? Fifteen minutes sent you. Let joy into your heart for y so filled with joy right now. You can't even believe since that will not happen because we all know you too much, and I know deep down you bought love each other. All hypothetically speaking, though, who solo he's hitting up. He's doing a Mike and the mad dog on us who hypothetically speaking, though, who solo pod would be better. Get more listens. If if you just couldn't stand each other anymore and split up as always love, the pod, Nick, you are an instigator. Well, obviously mine would do web of the two of us are only I have actually done the solo pod on this. So it has happened. Yeah. It was an amazing episode. Probably our best that happened once. Yes, incredible. I let the side down you went back home. And he said, I I haven't watched games you have to do this alone. I was like I I felt like Garth in Wayne's world. Oh, that's right. And he's just staring at the camera. This is having a good time. Right. But then I gathered myself, and it was brilliant. Not a bad idea from who was that that we did that. Which would you take the call or the offside total name-change speaking of which I'll remind people once again that we have nothing to do with the website caught offside. Yeah. Whatever whatever. Whatever slurry. They're putting out this week at home. I'm not just saying that people seem to think that we get messages from. Hey, we want to write for your website. No, that's not our website. We just happen to have the same name. Plus, we can barely read or write super-quick what to watch for. Thank you to everybody who did send in messages. We only got to read a like a small fraction was actually sent to us. But we'll have time over the next few weeks. That's for damn sure. Let's see very quick what to watch for feel bad JJ that I've given like real short shrift to the rope league semifinals with Chelsea and on-track Frankfort one one second leg for Chelsea Thurs. Both these are Thursday, three o'clock, and then Valencia and Arsenal's it goes back to Spain for the second leg three one arsenal with the advantage there. I would say that there is a very. Strong chance for all the people who you know. Sometimes message into us. Oh, you talk too much Premier League. It's too. It's too Premier Li eccentric. It's not even the best league. Look, I will plead guilty that we are to Premier Li Centric. That's just the way it is. And I think people who listen to this just you just kinda know that by now, but to the people who don't think it's it's worthy of that. We are staring at the possibility of both the Champions League final. Andy Roper league final made up exclusively of Premier League teams in a season. By the way, when it felt like there were only two good for merely teams with Manchester City and Liverpool and only one of those two will be represented in a final. So how bad is this league? Why do I feel like one of these teams, and it looks like probably arsenal going to Valencia that doesn't seem on his not kneeled on even at three one. You don't think I don't know arsenal are gonna with with the fact that top four is now probably not definitely, but probably out of there remained the in in yours. There has to be a desperation. In there for them to this is it now their season will be defined by what happened hair of the narrative by being awful. And by the way, what has happened the last couple days is exactly why I will not concede the top four like with arsenal. And tottenham. I don't care what that goal differential says. We just watched the insanity of the sport. I'm not conceding anything. That's why I'm not conceding the primarily speaking of which here we go. It is the final weekend. Like, I feel like this in itself. It should be a full podcast the final weekend of what has been an unbelievable season this title race, which we have been riveted by since August will culminate Sunday, ten AM, Brighton and Manchester City Liverpool and wolves. Here's what you need to know. Essentially, a win is the simplest way for Manchester City to take the title a draw or a loss combined with Liverpool. Win would swing the title over to Liverpool. It's worth noting that they draw will not be enough for Liverpool. They have to win. After an that is what is at stake. It's not an easy assignment for Liverpool. I know Manchester City are on the road at Brighton and Brighton have fought admirably recently against arsenal against Tottenham but pep is hard for me to sit. Pep was asked about the squad. We're bringing everyone I'm we're going to attack attack attack. So he's gone full game of thrones. Like his hip, he's bringing the entire battalion on he I guess he has the he can't he can't take any chances Brighton. Breitner on the beach, though, literally. Well, I'm Dave they have fought recent. I mean, they were on the beach car hit assured Brighton that they'd be staying guesses as new so and they fought like hell against arsenal. So who they look this is this is a chance for them to make their Mark in in some way in a very unique way. So you say they're on the beach. I don't envision them rolling over. They have a chance not saying that the impact Tuttle rates. That's all kind of a potentially a once in a lifetime chance for them. Chris hard of the store shootings, a total pro they've got, you know, decent centrebacks in Donkin dough Phil tremendous last week. Yeah. Just don't know. And then the only other race really going on. Like, I said it is the the fourth and fifth spots are still at stake. Burnley will host arsenal. Tottenham will host Everton a win or draw seals fourth place for Spurs. They can lose this game as long as they don't. Completely s themselves. Which is could happen. It would be in keeping with this season for you guys to poop your pants at the weekend this season. And crazy. I think that's it. It's not think I've run out of words championship semifinals guys. So if you haven't been keeping up to speed leads are in the middle of an implosion that would make the top four blush, but they are taking out an on Frank Lampard's there become t and in the other tight. It's Aston Villa verses West Brom soul leads are on the road. They are going to the baseball ground. Our excuse me. No longer the best book on Pride Park Saturday. How do you? How do you forget Pride Park because baseball which was cooler name. I don't have the rest of the lyrics isn't is next line about them into fried body. Go into pock. By he that's when Robbie savage was Derby County player and decided that Twitter he was gonna make Twitter. He created Twitter for footballers. Bye. Two. Getting denver. So leads go there, and I'm sure what Robbie song ringing in their ears. 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Conte the Answer for Tottenham?

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Conte the Answer for Tottenham?

"Welcome insulated espn nfc. Stevie nickel with me in the studio today with a lot of talk about later on. We're talking about return. To the international thomas miller and corinne benz but we saw by welcoming in line. This is your julianne laurent on august fields off an gab. Markazi discuss all those managerial rumors During the rounds and the moment starting off without vacant java spurs because according to the bouquets antonio conte is now all zone to taint charge ahead of maruti are pochettino gob. I want to start with you. This obviously has snowballed somewhat over the last twenty four hours. Is that any sort of truth to it. I think the indication is that there is. I mean the the the key to this. Is that fabulous out. Who is you've as director of football. Still his contract expires at the end of the month. I'm gonna we'll find out more because he's addressing the media tomorrow. He's leaving his job a you've it. He's been strongly. Linked to tottenham tottenham have spoken to him and part of the idea would be. That would be the man to help. Bring over on your qantas. Well now. But i did. You may come even if konta doesn't but the idea is the to of course worked together with took over you for those three years when they won three straight titles and the idea is that they would be into. It enjoyed himself but he was in the primarily. Of course you won. The league with chelsea won the fa cup the following year now. There's some big hurdles here one is called the salary you'll recall that when he left dead. He was paid half of his final years wages. Straight up as a sort of a a leaving president if you will and the other one is gone says ever loves the word project and it's going to be about. Who can they sign what their budget is. And i think the appeal to spurs is also that they think a big name manager like kante might help persuade harry kane to drop his idea of going elsewhere to win things as a team. You're going to says representative on the panel. I feel drawn to you understand. Why antonio conte ticks all the boxes for spurs but. Why would he go there. Yeah i mean. I was really disappointed by decision. Obviously to leave into a moment where into head stability obviously one Italian scudetto the championship. It was a tough year for him there because they lost in a in a champions league italian cup and then this decision kind of came as in a moment. We're actually everybody really was happy. Milano people were happy. They thought okay. Now we're going to get kind of more stability and we go into the next year and me we attack europe. They'll and that was the overall kind of sentiment in in milano by all the inter fans and and So that's how. I look like but then he decided obviously differently and he walks out and now he walks if he would walk say to lundin. Flying always would take de job. I mean it's really difficult to comprehend because spurs at the end of the day had a catastrophic year. I mean they were looking so strong in the beginning of the season ever even in fourth place and things were looking really full of sunshine in london in north london and then it turned into a nightmare entire season and now obviously the try to figure out. What's the next step and going out to tony. Quanta who comes from from winning a championship in italy. Yeah kind of makes make sense. But i just cannot understand conscious decisions in the first place to leave into jill's. Let's take a look at this scenario. About how am. I play out. Conti comes in so hurricane for one hundred and fifty million there it is. There's your war chest you spend that as you like. Get us up the table. Battling with the big boys all is antonio conte comes in puts an arm around hurricane and say look. I can get the best out of you. You start with the second option and you start to try to keep him. Because as we've seen in every manager you need. You need this superstar. Strike a really if you want to win things and even if you set hurricane good luck to replace him with someone as good as him or even with the potential to become as good as. Am anytime soon so you try to keep him. That doesn't work and if really he wants to go he's desperate to go. And you get the offer from that monster whoever else then you already think about replay reinvesting money replacing him with who and you try to go for who you think. He's the best we saw with. Maluku amazing work really down to no contest on. This is an intere- so there's no reason why do this. Maybe we someone is replacing hurricane. I'm sure that the first the first option would try i move. We try to keep him at the club. And i'm i'm thinking well. Why the rush. You lovely payoff gab. Mentions say goodbye. And it's why such a hurry to get back into management especially team. Let's not forget who isn't gonna be fighting for the league next season and isn't in the champions league because most coaches have got syndrome. There miss themselves all the time. They want to be back. And that's what that's what they're passionate about and we'll see how many vacant jobs there are available also for the big names He did fantastic in london when he was there with chelsea the whiskey would count as a quad interest. We only talk about konta. Going to for tottenham but it's also to were worthwhile. Discussing why is tottenham going that kind of manager. I mean they just had more your. I'm not comparing marina will counter. But he can't. They're inside his worse. He is very depressing and taught. They need someone who kind of mirror their way of thinking. That kind of club that they are. I've been on the interview. Konta sometimes just what felt. When i've done the interviews. I have to cold someone to see if he's okay and so. I think that i think that's often. It was just kind of club they want to be and the consequences of that would be to get the manager type that they need and you say that came to win things where things are. Trophies and tottenham is so far away from trophies at the moment they have to build that up. They took marino into win things. Well things didn't happen today. We think saving dish doesn't fertile taught him nor nor question as absolutely a project. The qena timmy. The by two wheeler where when portugal took over. So i think the need the manager like tino your manager. Who's going to be given time. Who's not gonna be complaining of money but who's going to be able to build over a period of time because until you county does not want a project whatsoever. And if i'm on to new conti i wear and do the old. I'll just have a year off right in a year's time if we get the funds bike for the full season then clubs are going to have some money. Then you meet your we bike. I don't think he doesn't know because it doesn't seem to go. That fence had the way he manages. History solis conti likes to spend money that he wants money to be able to go out and get the players that he needs. Spurs isn't necessarily the clube thinking of when you think of teams that spend money frivolously gab. No not at all and obviously that is one of us concern and the guys make make really good points there on the flip side. You'd be getting five your productivity. I and you'd be getting somebody worked with before. Somebody who supposedly is is really good in the transfer market where people think is and i think that's important. I think content. let's not forget. Content took over chelsea team. That under you. I think it finished tenth the year before and he won the title straight away. He took over you vent aside in two thousand eleven That haydn one city out since two thousand three or they would say they'd want to up but obviously didn't so they were relegated second-division of done nothing and and he won three straight titles in a row. So is a guy who thinks he's himself as somebody who can who can build a team over time. Well obviously their relationship with daniel is going to be crucial because we know that that's when things went south at chelsea as well in his second year. But i also wanna remind everybody it's not like with all due respect. He's joining jilting him. Spurs in december will no doubt remind us were joint top of the table. Then things went wrong but if you can channel some of that. I think there's an argument. To be made that tottenham with the right manager. Aren't that far away from from top four. Finish carry kmarts. You can't you can't see. Less year was absolutely incredible. Year full of show many ups and downs so many crazy things them miles away in fact them tone on. I mean we if we were talking about. It's four next year would you. She taught them going to be in the top four. Because i don't i don't settling wouldn't well i don't. I don't think anybody else group leag. Krieger anybody else would see. Tottenham is going to be in the top four next year. Can you say the not that. Far away miles away. The whole bike lane needs redone. They need the need no question in the middle of the park many players and might lose hurricane the miles away stevie stevie in december not in england had more points than they did. They were level with liverpool at the top of the table in december. Then everything wentz out. I'm not saying they're dead. Search to finish top four. But there was something good going on there after joseph marino took over from pacino the year before i think they had the third most points the rest of the season so there are good players on the team with things that were done manual fell apart fell apart staking. Ten men behind. The ball is a good thing. Whatever anybody when on november not just like we're talking about a talk four places. Success for spurs discount one that and a pin not opposite success after winning big titles. Obviously coming into this that victory for ends and you go into a scenario where you'll trophy as a top four finish. Well he's only believe can be to go to boost and win something right away. I mean and a winning in england means it's the primarily first and foremost so he has to be convinced that this is actually doable. If he would consider a move to tottenham tottenham biggest problem right now have no identity anymore after the disaster obviously on the playing field but also disaster that the super league. So there's a huge problems they are and the fans just questioning. Okay what are we. What did we stand for. Tottenham always famous for entertaining the fans having outstanding creative players. That make a difference and and really entertain the crowd. You know this is the talk them. Then yeah if you win something at the end of the dates. Great and it's job. But the thomas the spurs fans are very sophisticated. They know what's really going on on the field so now after this negative chapter with marino they. They want to see a manager coming in that. Make sure that you know he's looking. Also the defense is looking after what fans would like to see and this is entertainment so so it's a really tricky point right now. It's not all of it is about okay. You've got to come in and you've got to win the title. It's more than that. So it's gonna be really interesting. How how you would see something like that. And if content really is confident in after come in at spurs and say you know what i know what spurs is all about and on top of that going to make you win a trophy right away. That's going to be a difficult one ceo poetry. Tina it was simple. Just just a choice recess you choosing to be your coach of spurs no. I mean he had a great relationship. Vala players really kind of got them better in every position. You know he that team and then he was let go at a moment where he himself was totally surprised but they wanna to make the big bang move marino and got the big bang and they give me dig amazon documentary and all that stuff and all. The marketing side was looking looked. Really amazing debating side always come after the football side. Football always would come first. And and i think there was a couple of mistakes made if you not choose a manager for the future of this club i mean i think you have to choose the manage based on the tradition. And based on the identity of of tottenham hotspur. And i described it before. This is what. I think in in mastermind behind roy did with barcelona created this persona based on an idea of football total football. Obviously it's called a taking minded very very highly technical fast paced very aggressive going forward all the time. He graded and then since then janklow at barcelona. All the managers came off the on based on net style of play. They came in and had to commit to that style of play. It may be a manager. Game didn't follow that style of play that was described the style well. He was sacked after maybe six months later after twelve months. And that's kind of. I think the first question need to be answered. Why todd lane is what type of football standing for. And who would have thought jewels that. We'll be discussing the possibility of mutual patino coming back. Obviously over the last twenty four hours. The news is continued to snowball that he wants out at. Psg not really. i mean you. People reported not being confirmed by him or the club or anything this yesterday last night again. He was discussing the transfer window and the style of season. Psg so of course levy called them. And i think there was. Certainly an idea from tottenham point of view to try to bring him back to the club. But that does happen. Really the two clubs. I've spoken spurs leonardo and and has been saying again he would be with us. We not going to let him go anyway. So i think was maybe another option. Maybe the first option. Maybe the second enough to put you know. But i don't think we will happen. What's going on the plan that the fraser. No smoke without fire comes to mind because if it was a simple as that budget comes out and he says i will be here. I don't know these stories are coming from. I'm committed to psg simple. Why not just do that. Shut everyone up and we. We'll move on to question. The only thing he did was posting photo of himself on social media with a phd. Show that saudi did not enough for true. I think he's clearly unhappy by inside that club and probably not so much. He's relationship another. Been more with you and others assistant. He's number two. Who is very influential within the club. I think being so lax discipline everything has to be structured. Everything has to be square and not certainly not. The case in paris hasn't been the case in the last six months. Join the club. So i think on that level. He's been be disappointed by the things that he's seen even sometimes it's not involving him the notice from afar and i think there's a lot of things that he wants sorted out before the next season starts and and we discussed with gabon's well maybe these where to get a new did because that's certainly something. The declared the died he was he was hinting for. Yeah but the. I just saying that john what a young is talking about. We are actually talking about two different candidates down very very different so the two candidates taught them will have is not narcan. I mean whole can you start to have an identity a culture at the club. And then you will. The consequence of that identity is opportunity. No i mean that's never happened then should have two or three candidates kind of kind of signed kelt culture and that is what i think is unbelievable. Encounter comes in for tottenham. Do you have to build up a winning culture and we've seen this week. Chelsea go dubbed makes it very good point that after the tenth place for marino he managed to win the title for chelsea through but they have a cultural winning trophies. Talk now doesn't have that so we need to build that out and then you have to ask yourself as a club is the right one to make the culture of two three years. The answer is probably no on it. Just shows you to candidates counter or patino. Oh please gabby. Who is polish jews that this is. This is nothing isn't even a story. We'll be next season. I mean that was linked with round. So if me like woody tantrum and say you gotta let me go to madrid short but with all due respect to talk hotspur. They're not real madrid. So i think my reading is very simple. I think it's about we've got judicial. It's about the new deal. He's got a year left and you could say just work your contract. We'll see about it later. But you know he would argue. Look i had a good run in the champions league and whatnot and every manager of a top club generally has more than one year left going into the season It gives me more. Authority is shows more faith in me. Give me a new deal. Give me another year Give me some insurances. Maybe vis-a-vis imbaba and whatever and i think that's why he's not shooing away. Those stories linking madrid destroyed thinking of the spurs. I'm not sure i. I can't imagine him. Frankly leaving power says your man now with unless something changes at the club four tottenham finally gab. Oh boy of course presented as the new coach rare madrid today. I'll tell you what if he wants to about koji he could whip around with tv as well. He said every single thing right in this press conference. Great time here. Great relationship with the president. great to be back evolved. The takes every box. He also said something which i think was pretty indicative. Which is i know what it's like to manage route madrid. Because of course he's done it before. I'm not i don't think he's even said it. In the past he left on great terms at the club except for florentino floating. Tina was on the verge of sacking him when they were in the champions league final the ultimately one and then obviously sacked the second year. Because you know manza football genius and he brought in rafa benitez and then sacked rafeh six months later of course. I think that that really stick stuck with him. And there's nothing wrong with changing your mind. It's a sign of intelligence. I think he's a sign of humility from floating day. I say to to go back on on his previous views. And i never thought i'd say humidity in the same sentence but he's right and said look. I made a mistake before now. Things are different now. This is the guy i want. And you're basically getting think he sees him a continuity candidate with zindedine sedan guy. Who's who's a lot. Legs it dan. In many ways maybe a little more extroverted but in terms of managing the older players in terms of being able to play different systems in terms of having delivered silverware. He takes those boxes and like you said he knows the club and of course what else is going to say. Joe's for all of those plans that we've been questioning over the last couple years gareth bale iskoe and has ought. Hey no. i've got faith in one of these players. They are going to be the best on the me. All the winners were automating echoed upset. Thomas fantastic strike ball. What defender was amazing. Kids gun santos. I'm sure you could be set madrid. But but certainly in is management. That's where he would be very good one that they don't want the club he can easily say. Listen you know your time is gone now. This is this new cycle everything you would find the words for everyone. The one who are coming back on loan from from the loan soviet garrett bane he would have been fired up again. Zahn hasn't worked up to season. This is newstalk. This is a new manager. You know that qatar will find the right words for every single member of their squad. The younger one luke why did before also debut to love them and so it would be perfect for all of them. And i think for that just takes the right boxes all the time and a lot more on that appointment of course. Plus much more malays sedition and began gills podcast. 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That could make a big impact on your budget tomorrow. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates comparison rates not available in all states or situations. Prices vary based on how you buy plenty of friendlies in europe today. let's take a look at some of them. Bit more detail dutch. Can you manage a two two draw against them. This depa getting embrace in that game. Meanwhile sack i call for england. There's enough to australia by one goal to nil thomas. Mother attends to the gym and squat but couldn't inspired by a victory. Get on the united states. One one draw against denmark. Meanwhile franz's the convincing. Winning ten man wales in the dan delay on the scoresheet. Let's stop the world champion showy jewels. I suppose with regards to the big story going into this game was carrying. Ben simmons return you. Ride on people have been talking about to be fair for the last ten days or even since the squad was announced and today he made his debut. We come back the first time in five years and two hundred and thirty seven days or something. I done gouda shop. He missed the penalty. He deposed as well so he could have been even better than what it was. But what we're all looking for was. He's in the sending them in greece. Men and if they were not making the move not working on each other's toes and i think for third get together for first time together for seventy minutes or something. They look pretty good. They were all just just looking each other understanding each other. The movement battery together and i think he was really promising. Even if we're down to two men because the referee decided to ruin the game by sending of nicole williams when he didn't really need to as a strange decision wasn't considering a friendly and it's all supposed to be about preparation for the year is jill's france. Thanks when you look at that. You've got to win this otherwise it's a massive failure. Thanks for the pressure. Think if you if you carrying beds amount to an already world cup winning squads i think of course it makes them even stronger and we today. I mean he. He's thirty three. He was so good. The movement the first third. She's always amazing with kevin benz. And there's so much more to come. I think because the more we will play with them by agreement by byu command bailey. Contact of them the better he will be. The better team will be what the full three one two one. I'm also sure. I'm not completely convinced. Green as number ten. However there's so many possibilities options solutions to problems even can change through the game. We saw today. Dan billion common coming on a good impact on the game too. So it's really really promising and really exciting. Meanwhile you had been returning for france yeah again. Thomas miller returning to germany correct. I mean everybody's returning you just need to be over thirty and you come back for miller. Favorite number twenty five. They created three more spots now in the european ten up to twenty six so they can squeeze thomas that no no. I mean joking aside. He looks good. Tomas-marella meaney played outstanding season for bio munich. And and he's a team player seems knows exactly what to do on the field. These a leader. He can give really a lot of support nag sonnet the youngsters. Upfront there And he's he's feisty he's a fighter in a winner and So i mean. Overall performance was okay from germany today against denmark the majority of the game for them they hit to posts niagara hit one one in the first half then begin the second half there should have actually won that game. Denmark was waiting. Almost i wake up call for the and goal and then they came and impose is goal from a passionate and kristin erickson pretty much the only chance that denmark had in the entire ninety minutes so overall was okay performance and it was very important obviously for germany to reintegrate thomas miller and my mind who moves in the back. Line the looking child. Yeah i'm what have we learned about germany into the arrows. Well data yes. There were a better side against denmark but still a fantastic crews and ericsson opposed goal on the last game. They play was north michael dolan. Yana lost in germany. And if you have a look at the group. They were in with the with hungary. Portugal france germany could be knocked out after the first round. And i'm not saying that. I of course hope but they have to find himself. They have to use these days very good. Normally germans are good at doing that preparation. I had big championships. But i am a bit doubtful of their defense. I mean sooner or not that is best. Who is a great football player. Not the best defender on day conceded today again. So i think we're the germans would say hoping to talk with his team. I'm not sure where they go to find. Just one point connects neurons. Can you just make sure that the magazine or whatever is behind you. I don't think. I don't think anyone needs to see you with beautiful majesty the queen you lifting the trophy which of course should have england back in ninety six. I'm really sorry not sorry at all. That's really take somehow volume in germany coming into this tournament while it's as you said i mean it's there's a question mark as a question mark there. Obviously it's twenty five years since the last time and that's a long time and so the germans kind of that's part of our nature. We're very impatient. So they have to prove a point. They really have to prove a point ahead of disaster in russia three years ago and they have to make people forget that disaster on one side. The other side of this is really that that a group of players now they have to take matters in their. I wanna hands and they have to get through this very very difficult group. There were friends and portugal. And not to underestimate guarantee so anything can happen already at the group stage but the goal is very simple and i'll because the expectations in germany are always the highest because of football nation is and what they did in the past and so forth so they expect germany to get someway somehow into the final and a yogi live wants to have a positive farewell of his time as head. Coach of the national team has been now the coach for fifteen years and obviously won the world cup in two thousand fourteen in brazil. But but there's aggressive bogging. I agree of young steamy. Let's talk about england showing what a performance against australia. Well if there was one team in luke didn't particularly take this game. They went desperate to. When you've three planning this game. Who are not going to be in you squad. That tells you exactly what you think the importance of this game. So england palestine because they had players missing because of the champions league europa league commitments. Yeah i think. I think the fight. The startling gov is taylor everybody. The training game right and the truth is he's probably a good exercise. Breaks up the monotony of the hotel. Big manati of of the trainer. It just it just gives over body a different look. Yeah so as far as this game. There is nothing from this game. The guy get antique right through the us absolutely zero now. Let's go from soccer. I take to get well did. Does we ask them to say something. Something positive about is nothing absolutely. Ronald injured overseas the negative. And the problem. When you don't take things seriously enough visit chance that somebody will get injured. Unfortunately muscle injury which is not good for him said jack relation positive or negative way. No i said that he is kind of player that you need to get going. I think that this is england. Agree that there was a bit running through the motions. But i still think that you take something out of it. Sakai's nineteen scores his first goal for england and taking goal. Good pass from from kane going forward. But i think england will be desperate to get get a mcguire back henderson back to get balancing the team because at the end well it's unbelievable australian score a goal the boat so you take something out of it but what i mean. Was jack released. I think when you go into a into a championship like you. Do you need some player to have that little extra. He has the potential jo. How to potential data that you can be taken off after one hour those kind of that. Those kind of plays. You still needed a championship. And i think that that is a key to england. England success because when you have a look at england you see a lot of players are more or less similar similar qualities than that's why you think when they want something happen against them a lot of them will fall down you know so then i i think that's you need those kind of players but it's so important. Begin the get get. Those balanced play a vacuum for the tournament. On very unfortunate for for arnold on i guess south southgate new way. Two to six the right. Meanwhile you can argue. The biggest chunk of the day joel's the dutch could only manage a two two draw against scotland. Deboer continues to work. His magic completely useless again. I mean the formation. Just incredible he keeps trying to play with three of the back. Three five two formation created. Everybody buffum here in the whole work. And he's not working he's players don't like it don't players is saying let's go full three please. Someone needs to have a word. I mean i'm happy to have a word with him and make him understand that this is so wrong. He's got such a good squads that some good things with one on kumon and then he took he takes over and the whole thing is a shambles. I really don't understand. They were solid and went. Organizers should have won that game to be fair if he was freaky at the end that was not frequent. By the way i mean the board has just its incredible. I think how you can ruin squads and chance of going. Fine and competition is why complicate things so much. Tv when you have sleep time with the team. I have no idea. The england game was a. Nobody's taking. This is absolutely both sides with taking this idiot and the board has to talk about a guy that can win a game whether it's domestic or international football and as you said plead plane three you know when you play three the pike with five in the middle and my opinion having the five in the middle should meet us. Stronger should make it hard for the opposition to get your light. That didn't happen and certainly going forward. That really didn't create and if you take dhipaya site. I have no idea where it goes. You're coming from because nobody even as show listen to it. S to regardless of that history. Not in my opinion and it will close to be in favorites or even dot corsie's it's incredible rarely credible those kind of coaches and i think there's a very good point because you have to with with the time you have. Don't complicate it have have a squadron have talked about doing on divorce still lack of credibility have he has got from all his jobs where you can fire the last year. So he's go for simple simple things but the fact credit also respectful scotland. They will they would love to be in the championship. they'll play england. And i will be one of the highlights again. I love those kind of games. I'm no egypt. But frank de boer jewels should have a talk with him. But johnny will probably end up hired aboard as but is used to that as as we say later. Yield trades no piggy. Today's theme you can check it out over on all youtube channel. It's spain against portugal. On friday as the build up to the euro's intensifies that game live on. Espn one twenty-five ason. Which are you more willing to pay the commitment to prepare your workforce for the future or the cost of inaction. It's a question you can't afford to ignore. Introducing pro edge appear wc product. It's the revolutionary way to upskill your people and prepare your organization for tomorrow proactively owned your digital transformation with your existing workforce. Prepare your workforce for tomorrow visit pro edged p wc dot com slash podcast learn about upskilling citizen led innovation and the workforce of the future as we mentioned already previously later this week on journalists have put together a great article about their favorite moments of the european championships. One of them. 'cause back in nineteen seventy six shootout between the czech republic and west germany czechoslovakia of course winning. Its own penalties. Thanks the peninsula. Let's welcome in showy yergin and gab. Gab you all the mine. I believe who chose this. You'll special euro moments. I did and i also had the privilege of going to prague visiting palanca the real live pening spending time with them even for a beer. I just a remarkable character. But you know this final west germany at the time nineteen seventy-six. They were the reigning world champions they were the reigning european champions. A lot of those guys that played for played played for by munich would won three straight european cops. They were the overwhelming favorites. And then you get beaten by this moment of genius from peninsula who then not only told the story of it but also explained in great detail how to take a ponente correctly We've been having a bunch of bills passed. 'cause and judging people did right and what people did wrong and I think if people miss because recently might want to I wanted to go in and learn from the master can. What was your reaction as a a much. Younger yorgen watching. This plan was twelve years old. But i remember still that penalty shootout obviously peninsulas. Penalty was very provocative confidence techniques. The technique that he's using is almost with the inside of food not even the toughest is. It's beautiful to watch. I mean absolutely gorgeous but we obviously be. Germans remember from their penalty. Shoot-out obviously the miss of urness very very different different approach to to his penalty. then planning now and And that's what i remember. And i think that's really remember because they still can't find that ball from english. European competence stadium still always was huge disappointment for us. But you gotta give all the credit to peninsula. Yeah yeah. I think that is a very valuable point. I mean not only skill the technique is doing. And you've seen a lot of mrs well. Depending companies actually do in in a final on his never been done before but he probably done it. Before of course and his career i came to rapid vienna and eighty nine. You left rapid van. Palanca in eighty five still talked about this guy who was just hanging around in games coming to free kicks and penalties would always score and as the years gone by. He's getting better and better. On the was a year ago we had some trouble. It was taken to a hospital and i think thank god and i think that he felt the warmth from the people in and around the world because of this what he did in seventy six. I was nine. That's this time he's listed. I i remember define of seventy four but this was the first kind of championship by full of very very closely on as urine is joke in confined out bowl. Where is that both from earlier. And then panetta comes up and do exactly the opposite thing. I mean unbelievable looking like a western hero from one of those spaghetti westerns coming up. That is i against. Except meyer on that great great job and team at that time in seventy i mean. This is one of the moment in football history. Truly incredible thing with us over the years has been the cross town ronald dana with all the staple all of these things and the next day. Everybody always feel doing it. I don't remember him ever do this. Do anchors to scared. That weren't good enough of the ball for it right. I mean we've seen we've seen we've all seen videos of the pin anchors. The the goal. Yes but the truth is there's not that many people will get the ball to do it right never made and a final running around with kill anyone if you schooled would give you a school right and if you missed it smartly across the back of the head into an inca so that's the thing like if it works. It's almost foolproof. isn't that because it keeps commits. It's how do we clean the psychology of the confidence and your own number one ability to do and the psychology of being so confident that you can do it. It's such an important moment. I mean those two things together. Make it so difficult and that's why you don't see very often yoga. Did you ever try. Would you ever did no. I never tried it. No how does that tell you as an anchor. One of the greatest goal scorers of all time telling us y'all silly but we have seen it and we have seen people attempted and obviously it's worth you think back to what pillow gav i remember scoring a crucial one. Way heaping. it ends and dan famously. As well and we'll recently the negative side of it. Obviously guero in clash against chelsea in the league. This is pillows. God i would this right in the peninsula level. Oh actually really similar but it just just show actually gap. What did he say to you about the preparation for it. So basically he said two things were really important other than obviously the the execution and the giving the keeper of the is all that he said the angle of the run up was really important because he believes a lot a lot of keepers judged how you would finish based on the angle of the right up and there's a certain angle where you if you are going to try to put you have the best option of both point you have to get that right and also He said you have to get the speed of your run-up correct Because it is it has to be a fast run up Because that is going to prompt the the keeper the doctor about how like the keeper always has a certain timing And if you do it correctly you can disrupt his timing and you can send them whichever way whichever way you like. He said he made about ninety. He said he did it. Something like fifty times in his career for club and country and i think he missed four of them so even after panetta became anka he was still fooling bulky of course own similar double his holy penalty from as you're watching it and watching all those elements but any little bit of it goes wrong. It makes you like a fool exactly. And that's why. I said when we saw pillow during as well you kind of think who will be as successful palinka penalty tanker and he. Will you want to repeal their. You know pillow will do it on de but i. I agree with this tv. It's unbelievable you penalty against anka. Go cable and say we'll do funding now. No pounding would do. But it's just like unbelievable. A maybe the fact. Is that this final. So this is the inventor here. He had probably done it before without nobody seeing. But coming to that final except meyer or a goalkeeper. We're never think you could do it. So it's maybe. I've seen it in norwegian league. I so i play a did it on a goalkeeper was just having a smoke. It was just waiting for the ball and that is so embarrassing. But i think that's the main thing here. I always eat inventor and he's doing in a final and check republicans actually winning rose against west germany. Their great great west germany. It's like unbelievable. And when i was coaching the new england revolution. The player took penalties peppy can sela and they did it knowing again right. We played columbus home. Got penalty kick the dependency. Goalie dies ten minutes later. Get another panel again. Goalkeepers realize you said to dropbox. Let's fast joey. Two thousand and four. Where greece just completely upset the whole apple caught of schools went on that one. Nil rampage one. All the knockout games bidding france being the czech republic and then be imported in the final to clinch. Then i have a european championship. Maybe not as fun to talk about as the gap but obviously just as relevant when it comes to european championship history. I mean i think this is still has to be one of the greatest underdog stories The greatest underdog story for me even even greater than denmark ninety two because then market how some outstanding players Greece players who did outstanding things goalkeeper became outstanding so the tournament. I'm jewish got. There saw up front the back so many of these guys became for the tournament was made possible by manager auto ray hogle who who is jermaine who. I don't think he was one hundred years old when he was coaching them. And you just kind of and he had a very distinct no frills. We'll play to our strengths and we'll just kind of wear you down by having a lot of people at the back and defending and we'll send a big guys up on onset feces and words and i think what they did was was really special and people focus on the final and like the football. But you know if you're a grease friend. It's just a fairytale. Right down to the semifinal where of course i think dallas scored the goal late in injury-time laden an extra time where. They felt that they were going to penalties. They were sure to lose and remember afterwards dallas. Telling me like the score because there was no way. We're good enough to beat these guys these coast. You played on the ultimate hog. Oh just tell us a little bit more about them. Hogle was fantastic. Manager is just a wonderful human being and the way he guided greece obviously to the title is absolute fairy story. He was very successful in the boondocks. To one of the most successful coaches ever bundesliga history. I had the pleasure move into by a munich. Winning the uefa cup of by munich founder. Him no is just fantastic. Character is always looking after his players. Look after entire staff. He's always there for others. You know so so the way kind of people look at him still. Today's especially in res. I mean he's he's like he's like the king of crystal he cannot even go there. I mean if if he shows up at the airport in athens then people will go crazy. I mean what is achieved and two thousand four with that. Greek team is just cannot describe it. It's how big it really was. Yeah there was part of football though. That didn't want them to win. Because of the style in which they play thing happened like that. I think that is. This is a fantastic started by lofta raglan. I agree with you. And this is one of the nicest man in football on the audience to wife who toll of all the time and when he signed play as bad to accept them things like that and on. We'll talk modell. I've played a few nights. And we have these big greek young guy in the squad. But he's always trouble with his back and we played backgammon all the time. We learn some tricks in backgammon. Coming fast forward seven years. He windy european jeopardy for grades believable. To see this kind of team. I seventy oh well. He's played their auto. Ray hug your what he did. At that time he's man-management yogi will will the i guess. We'll agree on that management what he did especially in vada brandman he to players they need a striker. Your manfred books. Malay- must have been thirty eight when he took him on bremen score goals for fun for them winning winning championship. Winning the european cups is just like a one of the best mon- managers there that the football. He's have seen great stuff. Can i thank you very much. Of course it's not long now and still the euros. A kickoff remind as live on. Espn and abc. Every single game all stocks on june lebanon. We'll qualifying percents. Come about this week. Of course brazil in a great position after four matches perfect argentina unbeaten as well. Let's take you through the upcoming fictious. And of course a place that guitar a year at stake he'll be bolivia venezuela uruguay paraguay argentina chile peru against colombian friday resumed to maintain that perfect star as they take on ecuador. This command alley moreno. Our those marches ali which one in particular catches. Your eye does even israeli. What a great story behind the relieve your venezuela that one case first time that says set of what cenfighting former coach of the venezuelan. National team is welcoming venezuela. He'll pass altitude. You don't wanna talk about that. Then it's exciting. Time for the. And i and i enjoy enthusiasm towards eight but away from aches managers and heights and the many storylines yes look. There's no question that the big game is dina taking on chile and talk about storylines. This game hasn't even been played and there's already been all sorts of things going on there's been reports of course the national team as they were training there was a drone above them and they thought well this a spy is in argentina and spy. They're trying to see what we're doing. And so why did they send their own. Drone dugong take down the potential spy drone only one problem minor minor detail minor detail that other drone that potential spy was actually a chilly. Power company vein work so no spy at all. They may have gone wrong so that in itself is creating a storyline around the game. Then there is the story who reportedly had a party a little get together a little something something and then guess what. You spend said positive for kobe. He's been hospitalized and now he will not be available for the game against tina and you cannot talk about hint without mentioning. Yeah no leeann. Ended messy kovin. It and not huntin. The reason as to why the copa america has been moved to brazil was because of concerns and yet this game goes forward being played in that close to the border not just generate an uncertainty about a match by the argentina national team that quite frankly they do not need unanimous available sky loney as published his starting lineup and the messy will of course feature on account moreno as always. Thank you very much for more. What's going on in south america at the moment. Be short at checkout tim. Victories article in particular. He breaks down why the of america has been moved to brazil warning while now sidelines. The emmy and peabody award winning show tackles the most important issues in sports history time. What college athletics going colloquially taking you beyond the headlines to every women's sport is your important. But you're not as important as the mental with perspective from the best analysts in the business now for the first time the dallas cowboys. Heavy black quarterback who is one hundred percent the face of the franchise outside the lights every saturday at nine. Am eastern on espn. Hey that's it that us the end of today's show. Thank you very much to everyone who is being on beaches to stay tuned. Extra time we go back in time. Tv when talk who wants to be millionaire and twenty four as well. Yeah you wanna watch. Ain't now welcome insulated sedition of extra time. Thank you as always feel tweet. Stevie nickel with us here in the studio. We also fuelled and gamma coffee with us. How big to the guys feel the chaz amaze between franz author kozel mozelle. I'm chas of shots of treat you that again. Like a fool guys feel. The chasm is between. France and england is top favorites. France's three plays of canes quality out. Front with ben zimmer and emba- pay as we'd failed on a solid defense it does not feel close. Now people get angry when we talked about this because they say how can espn have england anywhere near favorites along with francs. Nothing to do with us. It's the do with the bookmakers. And the don don. We've had that discussion before. Let's take out her gaze. How can you. I agree with kassim. My i agree with him. You have england. France and don't come you book his own opinion. It's the book as ya. It's you you are you. Are the you taking this information out to the viewers. Yes i say this you do it. Because if i'm going to call someone. The favourite i go to the soil. Switches the bookmakers and they will tell who the favorites where else that is wrong with this society that you go through the bookcase goal to your own. Mind my friend but my mind can't even say chasm or chazan ride so in your mind. Should you your mind shouldn't say england's you being the same favorite kind of club or whatever like franck fact. It's the fact. No he's not. As i know he's not as is to is to book is who didn't make that seat him do something up this on the program. Yeah bouquets make a lotta money. They must've have people. Listen to you. Say okay hey comes. The voice of reason missed the mouth causing all right. I will explain the chaz them here bookie how gambling markets work bookies. Don't make money by getting the odds right in terms of who's likely to win. They make money if the same number of beds go to one side or the same volume of that goes to one side or goes to the other side. That's how they make money. So you wanna come up with odds that people are going to find attractive now. If you go to english bookies who mostly operate in england and you add the fact that in england. There's more people betting in other countries you'd probably have more people or going on people they know and the teams they like. And that's why england. But it's not just england england manchester united real madrid talk to any anybody enthusiasts. And they'll tell you they don't have much shorter odds than they should have seek up. I know nothing about that right. So why not find me. And my tiny of brin if you team coach people tibet. Then don't put them at three one that the and then more people meet comes in and you have to pay them if you win right. So that's why there's a lot of money in england. The odds are going to be shorter and is more gamblers. English bookmakers in england More money's gonna come on england and that's why they're odds are shorter and then they should be just england. Like i said it's united it's real madrid biron biron. It's most big teams with lots of followers. Forgot is the possibility of fast line of being excluded from the champions league next season something that messy is considering before signing extension. I don't think so. His contract is up on. The thirtieth of june is no way that barcelona's exclusion from the champions league is going to get through the court of arbitration for sport. Before that date or the for next season you're going to know more about uefa. disciplinary tastes. Probably the next ten days but even if they are somehow throw now and i don't think they will be they can always appeal to the court of arbitration for sport. European draw is on the end of august august. Twenty six quarter of arbitrary sport moves slowly. And there's no way. I think that they'll have that decision place before the start of the season. I mean it really would be in record if they manage to do it so not mostly it would never happen. It would be the following season and it's highly unlikely that it's going to happen. And i'm going to go off topic millionaire the oscar winning movie that you watch tv that you enjoyed a produce a hated it throws which got me thinking about phone a friend obviously important part of that gombe. Will you ever anybody's found a friend who is your be giving you. One of the small is people. I know. i suppose it would depend on the topic. But i think my phone a friend would probably be shocked up because especially anything to do with even dot com sleep with garbage phone frame. He'd know the onset take the whole time up ten in you the reason behind the ons of just kidding how did you end up at madrid. All of a sudden go for him at time. I think he's there because they want him to do. What is it. Dan did the last couple of years which is win Not create trouble nine inch the older players. While they have a lot of older players are a lot of veterans. Don't embarrass the club with the media. Donen blair peres florentino and squeeze as much as you can out of the veterans and if the rebuild it's going to be in a couple of years somebody else but who knows i mean. I think we'll be in his late seventies by then so that's the thinking. I don't think there's a great long term. It's all about the here now around madrid and that's fine to decide right rip up the the architectural finds posted and it's going to cost a lot of money and the depressed transfer market or brought to you what i can do for another year or two and see what else i can get out of the squad and i think that's the idea and and i think there's a good chance he can deliver when you look at the state of barcelona and madrid. We're ten points back again. The last season it's interesting with with real madrid when you end up when you need a new coach after sedan some some juniors between between you go sit down again. No you go from that you. You've seen over the years by munich for one time. The only one who can coach was dula tech. And then there was hold my heats. Then it was you pine kids and always wanted. We got into trouble just getting these boys and they will sort it out. Of course. it's short term. Vasilis safe secure. I challenge to lock. It would be a great ambassador. For rapid defenders knows that also safe and his position. You don't need a young revolutionary coach. Yeah how much how. How must ham is feeling after fourteen to everton is not likely to leave the club. Did you ever experience anything similar to this. In your playing days when i wasn't real madrid something like this will never happen. I know i mean you. You've seen that. I haven't may be experienced that way in minnesota short period of time. But you saw it in germany. This season i love the play mark rosa and ardita to to frankford and you talked him into going into projects than you think. Now i don't wanna go to everton but okay is there so he would stay for a while. He sailed this idea to me and then he just Go away from you I always i always swapped clubs. When i was in england i was at the sixty s and are four different clubs so i never had time to know the name of my manager so i just moved on myself. Everyone who will thing came too late was when i left. Liverpool joined homered candle at notts county liverpool theft. Three or four is still play another year in the league but he called me he had just taken over knox county who are going to be relegated from the foster version. Which was the league creme league and he called me up until completely be with me. My coach Being transferred talk to nick. Take the next step in years right in your life which was to be a coach. Thought you know who better to i. Candle yeah so took the job and then within turnoff months he sucks. Why was then the interim coach okay. I didn't get the job. And the space of six months. I went from penn. Me to the subdivision has no even as it was it written in the stars. You're going to get site considering. They were getting relegated when he took over the job. The the idea was to bring them back. I see but the things that went on. I'm sure young woman was found grilled chicken saving. What song this what someone was number. One in the charts when you on the european cup no finally blue blue via tips of dover. Let's hear it for the boys. Oh we got we talk. I want to pay the royalties trying to place it for a long time but dan. Thomas is a double gang. Gov jack bauer kiefer s to possess. That was good twenty. Twenty four you could brilliantly. Does you want utah. Well did you have these voices the same a breath like every single scenes exact seen. He's not fully played. You could say chaz right Celebrity lookalike This could go down a very bad roussillon. Every needs a sorry. I thought the question who is a celebrity do celebrities need celebrity. Lookalikes rollo mcdonald apply laws. Question has gone done modeling in his younger years of age. Like a fine wine. Oh you thank you. Rachel sending in that question your i will. I have to admit. I got it improve. My highlight as a muggle in the cease. Ninety nine two thousand. I was the fourth most sexiest man in german bundesliga. That's my drove me. How how bad was the looking. That was calm down. Don't don't david do you remember who is above. You who is the three match was up there but So he was too much. But i i was quite good to be in the relocation. I think that i was. I was out. Do trump ceska munich munich. Complete restroom has said so. There's a photo shoot somewhere. Yes yes and you will find find. The top. three wanted would've wanted okay. I think that's enough. We will be back tomorrow. Came murray will be head. She'll be able to read the questions properly fair. Not as i'm sure the international talk will continue. This is he's rewards and albuquerque. Check out my podcast. The world with insight and analysis on the top stories in the nba adrian forging ascii are insider extraordinary reaction breaking news. This is the latest world rob an in depth conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks again i'm good. Thanks for having me. I guess yes. Thank you always appreciate. 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"Caught offside with every gumming. Jj If I remember my family is for them to eight people that were passed in the moment is so many simple to reward them. Sank U We need to be really now for the next game Sunday on and then two bedroom. Final teaser. Joy Tonight. So congratulations broker. Oh yes offside from the upper west side of Manhattan Anti Grumbling and JJ. Danny that was Marizzio. PACI Tino on May Eighth of this year. The night that Tottenham knock I x out of the Champions League in the semi final and advanced to a Champions League final for the first time in their history and here we are on November nineteenth seven months later. And he has been fired by Tottenham. And for me. We've done a lot of emergency podcasts. It's some fun some not fun. We've done the urine Klinsmann. Firing Josie Marino's various firings over the years But I don't know maybe it's because of the personal nature of this for me but I don't know if any of these emergency podcasts. have been quite as stunning to me as this one. I always knew there was a possibility of this but I don't know for. You texted me today. That was how I found out and it just it just hit me like a punch to the gut I I couldn't believe it on me being the bearer of bad news probably. I couldn't wait to send knows it. No I got it so I was actually in the doctor surgery. I was in seeing a neurosurgeon more of on God an and I get out on my phone blows off because I know reception inside and it's just people in in disbelief and asking for an emergency podcast. It's it's a weird weird time for this to happen. It's interesting because yesterday. The independent like the noises were there but I was thinking in the end of the season like this would be he. Would you know he would do this season. That would be it The Independent has been told that the situation has reached such a level that intermediaries have started to investigate potential replacements. That was yesterday. This clearly escalated at a rate that now I think no even his biggest detractor was not expecting now. What we know was there? Were meetings very high level meetings of the board and Levy and Tino Mace to discuss what was going on and the form of the team and all those things and something must have happened in those meetings where there was not an agreement but where Levy clearly sentenced against this wound. Get better we need to move now. But it's very very strange time to make this move. Yeah I'm only glad I guess that it was just a couple weeks ago where I finally had my like on the one. podcast where we talk about Tottenham recently and I had my sort of revelatory okay. Here's my official position and on Positano and laid it out there that I believe he should not be fired and that he should be allowed to see this through and I sit here today still still feeling that way I still feel unchanged in that stance and part of that is why I am so shocked by this because I really truly believe That he helped bring this club to a level that was just kinda like previously unthought of For Tottenham and and. I just think that there's merit to that. Ah Valued bare minimum the remainder of this season and in my opinion certainly a another transfer window another summer. Transfer window where he's backed by Danya Levy an and quite honestly another season But we'll get all of that will go through various elements of this firing by Tottenham And we will later on the PODCAST. We will talk a little bit about the US men. They're playing Cuba as we speak. They scored scored forty seconds in. You and I have the game on a monitor next to us here. Yes we're watching that Really not even so much to talk about what happens tonight against Cuba not to be those guys but we kind of expect a certain result in talk. We'll talk a little bit more about what happens. Canada and just kind of the state of things As this portion of the nation's league winds down but yeah right now it's it's Tottenham and it's mutual Pocchettino. I saw this tweet. Jj from Gary Lineker he said Michio. pockets you know has been sacked by at Spurs official. He helped the club to punch massively above their weight for years. Good luck with finding a better replacement. Ain't GonNa Happen that I was Gary Lineker. Yeah I mean I I right now as we sit here. It's very hard to think of somebody who can just come. Come in and do what he's done. It's been amazing again. I I want to Before we came to analyze exactly why this may have this. This firing may have come about. It's important to look back and to and I'm sure there's listeners who are sick of me saying this but he turned spurs into a bit of from a bit of a joke. DOC will that. I'll take umbrage with that but I get what your point is. Well they certainly were not viewed in the light. We always talk about the lads at Spurs. You we always talk about that comment. And that was kind of how they viewed a good club but one that the the biggest clubs in the League always felt that they should be beating. Yeah and people are going to go to me and say well how you can't on say that because look at what Harry Redknapp Padona. Yeah but look how you had not had a nice little bubble where there was champions. League qualification and the team were kicking king but they are a pale comparison to what Murchio Pocchettino built Michio. Pacino did something that hadn't been done I I mean we're talking since. Bill Nicholson in terms of consistent achievement. Were talking about a top four establishment. Team they were never never that no and they became under Pocchettino. This is an incredible legacy. Sorry I can't believe I'm talking about legacy here company's gone. Yeah but that's what he did was was amazing now again people say oh you know trophies wouldn't FA Cup would a League Cup of made any difference. I don't believe so I really don't. We've moved on in Footba we've moved on from that. Was Regular Champions League qualification and it was. It was a European Cup final. Something to cope had never done before. It was what he's done as being amazing so the thing that we always do on these podcasts. After manager manager gets fired as we sit down and we hash out the million dollar question which is always was this deserved. So I've kind of broken this down into two categories Gorey's for your just your base Info on Pocchettino and I I just have the good and the bad and then we can kind of come together and reconcile reconcile the two so the good to me are the obvious. Ones Champions League final runner up in the League Cup. His first year with the Club third-fastest manager to reach a hundred permanently wins at a single. Oh Club only behind Alex Ferguson. And Josie Marino Led Tottenham to their three best finishes in the Premier League second third third navigated them through the Wembley years with Zero drop-off dealt with the first transfer window in league history with zero signings and an underrated. One that I don't think means a ton to non on spurs fans but really means a lot to spurs fans. Went unbeaten at home in White Hart. Lane's final year including a win over Arsenal and win over Manchester. Their final game at the old stadium. And I think that's that will be those will be moments that I think Tottenham fans hold dear almost in the same way that they hold dear. The Champions League run of Lassie's he's now those are all nice things but you've left out the most important to me the identity of the team on the field. They became a team. That was good at the back. The exciting going forward. That pressed that young talent that that brought through one of Europe's most consistent strikers and England's most most consistent striker since Alan Shearer. There was so much good there. Yeah now the bad oh no trophies of course after several close calls. But let's be honest like you just said that is not what this is about news not being fired today. Because he hadn't won a trophy at Tottenham that is we I honestly think like you said if he had won an FA Cup or League Cup. Stop he'd still be getting fired today. What any of this has to do with This is about the end of last year. And the beginning of this year Tottenham Fourteen points twelve games are the club's fewest. Since the. Oh Eight. Title Nine Spurs Spurs is fourteen points. The season are thirteen points worse off than the same stage of last season when they were fourth with twenty seven points from twelve games. They were eliminated from the Karabakh Cup in a shootout. After failing to score a goal against Fourth Tier Colchester United blew a two nil. Lead Olympiakos ended up drawing that to two in their next champions. Champions League game humiliated by Bar Munich. Losing seven two after being tied one one at the half club is winless in its last twelve premier league away games last away. Premier League League one came in January of last season against Fulham. Tom's twelve game primarily winless streak is the club's longest since May of two thousand listen to January of two thousand one. There's a lot of bad that has happened in the last year. Say Nine months or so can add something. Of course somebody wanted onto me. Some people on on social media wants me to pour fuel on the flames religious to to get out. y'All fair game tonight now. I don't want to do that by deserve this for this one stood out to me from opt Joel. Eighteen no ever-present primarily club meaning. Founder members. Never been relegated has lost lost more games in all competition in all competitions. During two thousand nineteen then Tottenham Hotspur have under Murchio Pocchettino eighteen dismissed. I and that's I think really what it came down to. The manager looked at the overall. It has to the team on the field and got very very freaked out and has made a decision and we talk about Psychos and phases and Miguel Delaney has been on top of kind of what's happening that's bars for longtime though and a lot of what He. He talked about his come to pass. He did an article in September about the state of the club scene. I'm interested to see what you think of this. He talked about the message going stale. Well he talked about players inside saying it doesn't matter Pacino. Does everything the same way. No and he talked about his idol. Who is Alex Ferguson? Listen and Sir Alex. He had a call every four years. You were out and the senior players that needed it to move be moved on your batons. Possibly you're out of Arabs. Possibly your Ericsson's they never come to moved on and there was a frustration from Pacino that he couldn't replenish the team in the way that he wanted to because the club was negotiating. The Stadium Move The D. Chairman was clearly involved in that and also so the chairman is is a very true operator he wants value for what's being sold and sometimes you just have to take a loss. We see that with Edward at United big-time big-time wants big money for guys who are under performing instead of getting them out and getting them off the payroll and so you what. You had was discontented senior in Europe rules hanging around the club and it just. It's fed onto the field it's fed onto performances. They don't play anything like USA in their heyday. Which would have been what sixteen seventeen and this is where we are no and like I mean you always say you can't fire twenty two squad players and sometimes the message needs to change their for the manager needs to change? Yeah I I think. That's what happened and I'll be honest. A lot of what. You're saying rings true in terms of the players in this four year cycle that Sarah Ferguson always talks about and you know what if we believe that to be the case and I feel bad saying this because Danieli has certainly played a large part in Tottenham also Getting to this point I. It's not just by Kane. Daniel Levy is also responsible for their success. But you know what Paci knows. Firing today is also in part because Daniel Alevi failed. I'm Rachel Podger Tino. I don't think there's any other way that you can see it because you're right. There was some sort of refreshing that had to go on in this club. And maybe you didn't see the negative effects right away of Tottenham not making any signings In the transfer window two summers ago. But I think you're seeing it now And you know players who like you said. The messages message has gone stale with that needed to be moved out. That weren't and I think that's you know that that's a gift and a curse. You WanNa keep teams together. You WanNa keep course together but you also have to recognize when certain players are just not buying anymore and and I think we are seeing that certain players at this club. I don't know that it's Ericsson in for tongue in and out of rail but we can guess that a lot of these guys who are in the final years of their contracts attracts who talked openly about wanting to move on are probably some of those guys and the fact that they weren't and the fact that they're still there and maybe don't want to be there. I think we're seeing now that it's in park costs this manager his job. And that's that's unfortunate and I was saying you just before we sat down to record this that I'm really having a hard time reconcile in this situation because in my heart I really unlike truly sad that that came to this today because what this man has meant to at this club. It's you know He. He's just so interwoven. Now in the fabric of Tottenham history like you mentioned Bill Nicholson. He's he's now like he's not bill. Nicholson in terms of what what Nicholson mentioned the club. But he's he might be the second greatest manage hammer keep birkenshaw like yes. That's what you're talking about here if when you're looking at the history of this club you're absolutely right right So like it's honestly sad. No one wanted to see it. Come to this and I really truly believe that what he's achieved over the last several seasons he's earned the right To have some sort of you know summer. Transfer window to rebuild this to try like I trust him more than anyone else to find his way Out of this mess that they are in but I also for all the people who wanted to tune in to this podcast tonight and wanted to hear me yell and scream and freak out out on those who believed this was the right move while I disagree with it and I wouldn't have done it. It is also hard for me to sit here and call those people. Morons are idiots and say that you're completely off as I mean a lot of those numbers that I read off over. What when is the right time to fire somebody? How bad do things need to get? But also it's for me. It's do you see signs that they can that they can be better. We seem blips managers have blips and you think that was a sticky patch. It's no they're they've they've straightened out there on the right road again. I don't see this getting better. No this is. We've said for for honestly for months now that this is more than just just a blip and the champions. The run of last season papered over those cracks. So like we it would be hypocritical of me to sit here tonight and not understand at all where something I've been. This is coming from. I just think it's unfortunate. I just try. I just have a trust in him. I've seen him too many times. Dig totten out of holes when people said Oh. They're you know they're out of the race and then they find on their way back in at sure. They didn't win a title over the past several seasons. But how many times did it seem like they were buried and he brought them back into the race and Champions League you know. I asked Manchester City. I've seen him beat Real Madrid. Borussia Dortmund on a few occasions in the Champions League. I've just seen him win. Too many important matches and come on big and too many big moments for this club to think that he couldn't he couldn't do it one more time And that's that's the difficult part in this temperature on on twitter by the way we were flooded and are we continue to be floated in our mentions which is very nice people very concerned about you. First of all got a lot of Housi- dojo zone. Yeah Yeah which which is nice. I know it's very nice Lot of people though are off the opinion that this is the wrong decision and for example my favorite name the word by the way Dalton Vanderberg. They've had an awful stack. This year cannot believe they fired him after Champions League Audibly gasped at work when I saw this Komo Bartlett. Spurs fan wound. Brendan brazely ridiculous. This man taught him a world brand. He wasn't giving the money the to revamp the squad by our Penny Pinch chairman and he gets the sack where we are still batting in the Champions League. This is disgusting worst decision ever. There's some people genuinely win the fee like this. I won't tell anyone how to feel with. This is such a like I don't know again. I keep saying this but it's hard for people who don't support this club I think to understand how Tottenham supporters feel about this man just simply because like we like you said I mean you used the term joke and like I said I was like I said I don't know if I agree with that but I get what you're saying. And there are people that view Tottenham. Is that in the end. Like a person who does that that take something that is viewed as a laughing stock and makes it into like you said at a respectable brand competing regularly for major trophies. A thing that was never on the radar for this guy. He's held in regard that I just I don't know what else to compare. Hair him to for for other clubs now. The one thing that I was looking at That I almost myself felt like a bit of a hypocrite. When I was going through this how can I sit here there and say how dare you fire this man? When only a few years ago I was sitting here saying Leicester City half to fire Claudio? Rainier Um So people who have listened to this podcast for a long time that remember when we had those conversations because that was controversial. When you and I we were we were one of only a couple of voices out? They're saying that he should be fired. So I felt like I needed to at least address these seemingly hypocritical nature of that comparison and the only thing that I can say about that is Lester. Situation was dire. Tottenham is Worrisome Navy. I'm underselling selling the nature of Tottenham situation. But let me just take you back to where Leicester City were first of. All it was late February. Alright PACI being fired in in mid to late November. They were the reigning champions. This they were also the reigning Lester. With reigning champions Tottenham Reigning Champions League runner up But the thing with Leicester City like do people remember what was happening. When Ranieri was fired they gave the man every chance to try and work than that club out of the situation they were in? They were one point clear of relegation. They hadn't scored a goal from January. First all the way until Ron Carey was fired at the end of February almost two months went by without scoring a goal on the league. Their situation to me was on a level. That is different than that of Tom's. Tom's not getting relegated. This might be a lost year but like Paci Tino could still find his way out of this. In some way next season like there may not have been a next season for Leicester with the way things were going coupla things you're gonNA get killed for the reigning Champions League runner-up comment you're GONNA kill. You just threw it in as as it was a useful device to describe the situation. I also think Andrew you've got to look at the time span in which are near. He was in charge urge Rainier. He took over from the Sergeant Major General. Who got the sack at the end He took over and you know within a year had transformed transform the team. Do you know what I mean like. So he I'm not saying he could build something at Leicester he certainly did. Did he built a style of play excetera. But he didn't do what mercy Pocchettino did over a five year span so i. I don't think you have to worry about that. Comparison I think calling for I thought I thought about it as I I was sitting here saying like how could they could they do this. He deserves the right to turn it around. Well that's the same thing. The people were sitting near the return. Yeah I know. I don't think they're comparable How much of this is on the players versus the manager? I think a huge amount at I think first of all an obviously these players get a pass. The the players there have been significant injuries at times. That have heart spurs. There's no question about that even you know bringing in New players who haven't Kinda slotted into the team straight away that's kind of being a frustration for for Pocchettino The players have not been added A lot of them seem labored on the ball. I mean you could never expose. Sawn is one of the one of the exceptions but some of them like for example look at the goalkeeper are who was unfortunately injured right now. Not exactly leading by example. They've being weak at the back. Look at it. Look at some of the goals that they've conceded in terms of look at the experience experience. Terrible there fullbacks. Just now. That's where I drift into the area. You know surgery signed by Pacino. You know The Celso in umbrella these guys you know were signed by Paci. Nonni hasn't really integrated them into the they were hurt. Yeah exactly so there's injuries there. That's I guess he gets a pass on that. Sally was hurt too as consistently hurt Hurricane has kept scoring despite the fact he is maybe even diminished from injuries that he's picked up as well so these are mitigating factors to have. I don't know how old I suppose in key positions may be the full backs the signings. He's made him worked out But it does come down to the players but with the players are also prepared by the manager and we co we often see you know Erikson on the bench. We're not sure why that's happened. Was a period. Need at the end of last season were out of errol just disappeared off. The map wasn't that he was injured. We didn't know where he was. And that was something to do with his contract to so legitimately. The manager pays the price for the players. But I do think that there's something what a lot of journalists saying that the players were out potch thirteen out. There was a tiredness to the message. Yeah I think that's what happen and look we're not in and we don't play for a team like I can't. I can't relate to what it's like to have a manager who has great as he is just great on new to the point. Where you just you shut down and you just kind of go under this assumption? You know what I'll be hereafter him so I don't have to. I don't have to work hard. But one of the quotes from from Miguel's Dell's piece in September was that's just pocchettino shrug of the shoulders and that kind of suggests there's Malays in a club job and they have been a Zombie club all like there was grit among think a motion carried them to the Champions League final. Never giving up strokes roques of lock strokes of gene credible lock strokes of genius in the in terms of Lucas Mora. There's no question about that. There was a lot of again. You say yeah I mean yeah a stroke of genius but also necessity. CAIN was hurt. They were carried along. I suppose it was the perfect example of why cupful policy dramatically different from from from the league but D- aiding defeats across all competitions. And but can I ask you this. When's the last time you enjoyed watching them? I'm not talking talking about. Put the Champions League in a box I was gonna say I haven't hated these Champions League matches against Red Star Belgrade. I know they've been like putting the numbers the feel-good Redstar feel good ball grid But no telling me like a game where you looked at the thought of ood. That's good play. They're playing nice. Well I mean the second half against I xe in the Champions Music Semi Fun. I know it's put the minutes. I've put the Champions League away. Leagues Your Bread. Other leagues your bread and butter like well. Then I mean all right. The last Great League game may be on a missing one but last season against Chelsea that performance was so dominant when son just own George Sanyo It was such a dominant performance. It was such a great name was not by San January. I think it was before the New Year so I think it might have still been twenty eighteen. Oh Yeah it was definitely in Wembley not at the new stadium that though come on and look I might be missing like some. Yeah I don't know but that's one that was to me. The high point of last season physical. Yeah no no look. You're right I saw. I mean Sheffield United needed. I'm watching them and I don't know what they're trying to do with the patterns player. Just weren't there. You've been outplayed by shifting United Brighton. Newcastle like yeah. We know we know that there are major structural issues within the club. I just I just felt that. Maybe this is naive but I just. I can't can't separate myself from this feeling that he earned the right to see them out of it and Dan these players that got complacent. And smug like you know I. I don't I don't like seeing then rewarded. We will if if we do find out in the coming days that they wanted him out. I I love these players. They've done so many great things but damn them forgetting their way on this product. Just I hate that. I mean all clubs are symbiosis between manager and players and if wound part of that breaks down. It's usually. He's he's usually the manager of the as we said all the time like you said earlier you can't fire the players. I saw this for Mark Ogden reading directly from his article he said sources told ESPN AFC. The pocchettino methods began began to great with senior players with one clamming privately that is demand on the training. Pitch would not be accepted by players at a quote superclub like Real Madrid Manchester United or Barcelona Because they were methods that would be accepted only by young players making their way in the game. And that is when Tottenham were at their best. When these players who are now aging players were young long players and again that goes back to the replenishment but the replenishment of never happy didn't was being replenished was the stadium that's what happened? It never happened and I had one more question for you before we kind of discuss what happens next to both casino and the club And this is one on having a hard time with. And maybe I need a Non Tottenham Fan to answer this question from the time potch arrived to the time he left. Has the term spurs eighty changed in any way waist shape or form I don't this is how seriously I took Tottenham in those years that when the people when they would have a slip up and people will go. That's all spurs right. I'm like you don't know what you're talking about like I didn't use the term anymore it didn't it. It was redundant to me because they were consistently good on the slip. UPS were just magnified by people who are in a kind of a twitter football club turf war and I didn't get involved of not so it did change for me. Yes yeah I want to agree with you. But I don't know because you don't feel like what is happening here is so S- revitalize the term spurs like here we are we thought taught had reached this. Sean and like overnight. You know it's like Cinderella like turning back into the ugly. He's stepsister or whatever it was that she did in the end of that movie like it just happened immediately. It's like this all just a dream and now here. We are their fourteenth in the table and their managers fired and they're a disaster and it's just like at all but but you see for spur again. I suppose with a longer Lens I look at Tottenham Tottenham Spurs is hiring Christian Russian gross. Who Does the press conference and in the middle of it to the horror of of Alan Sugar. He pulls out his train train ticket. And and does this mad rambling about. This is the ticket I've taken and this is the ticket that old fans take to the stadium on. I hope it's my ticket to success or something mad adler that and everyone's like. Oh Jesus that's Spurs Juande Ramos coming in and like always the hot. He's hot new manager he does and it just being absolutely really terrible. Hey you WANNA trophy. Well Okay Rav yeah all right okay but ultimately it failed. But you're right. That is that right. There is the proof of why winning a trophy. He is not like like what did that mean for. Juande Ramos his legacy as Tottenham manager as opposed to what. I'm Rachel Pacino's all right. Also lasagna gate dots. That's so spurs you know you're on the brink of the Champions League mass poisoning. All you've got to do is beat West Ham other west time. We're good that year under under under house appears but you just got to beat them right or get a good result and you get beaten. What three one or something? And what's the reason. Mass food poisoning right a poisoned poisoned. lasagna I mean that was spurs to me so that's so sad so what's next now faced. Okay I gotta I gotTa bring bring you behind. The curtain here did deflation. Because I know this man. I've looked into his eyes now for the last five years during this bike as I know when he's just like orderly drained and deflated by something. So what happens next here for PACI TI no is this like soul. Shire gets the domino effect associated job. Tomorrow Paci knows that united. I don't know what it is. A Real Madrid decide on. I think it might be spanned. I think it might be spanned. Because does he want to go into the situation at Manchester United. Where you've got powerbroker like Ed Woodward who again will be Prince of the purse? He will be. Aw I wonder I wonder does he wanted. I thought for a while that that's the fit I it's total. It's total rebuild. That united now is not attractive for manager like Maurizio Pocchettino at this stage in his career is he surely not so look what he did in span ban look at what he did with Southampton right and look at what he's done with Spurs in terms of elevating clubs. Is it not now the the moment for him to walk into a Real Madrid one hundred percent or a Bass Lona job not a fixer upper. Sorry United you're a massive club you are not a massive job on on the fee right now and I'm I'm wondering if it's I mean what about Verde. Here's the thing. Hold on for a SEC. With valverde he pocchettino has said before because of his his ties and his intense loyalty with Espanol. He will never manage parcel. Okay but never in football is. I'm taking out of the equation. I I really believe I really didn't have okay okay So then what are we talking about. If we're talking about Spain we're talking about really one club re in Real Madrid. Maybe Athletico. But I don't see any reason why they would be making a a managerial change anytime soon. So if that's the case you're talking about one club with Real Madrid Being on the table in Spain the other one I'd be looking at look. He played you know. We made seventy appearances at PS. Gee If anything were to go awry there for two. I don't see why that would happen. You know their their place like they seem to be doing fine under tootill lately so but again you know the demands of of that club you could be right so but like so really you know what are what are the options. Not Manny really for us. He's willing to take like you said a fixer upper position or a job that we may view as as beneath him. I suppose when you when you panted like that then United Compact into the right they do come back into the frame. I'm just I again. It's I can't remember who tweeted this they said is the situation with Marino and united where marina arena supposed to be man united manager. When David Moyes got it and he would be Kinda in the sweet spot of his powers? United waited and probably appointed him to live. Is it a case case. That united are in a state of just disrepair. Now that it wouldn't be right to put Patino that scenario it wouldn't be the fit. It was when maybe eh right at that moment when they finished second under Marino and they weren't great but they had a bid at something right I felt like a hollow second. It did feel like Hollis second but they were at least least in the conversation right there. Maybe that was the time. Look they did win What was it a League Cup an ear open a rope a league? Maybe that was the moment that you bring in a manager like like Chino. Maybe it's moved on too much for united now but like we hold him in the esteem where may be like. Maybe we hold him such a esteem. That we've limited the clubs Bayern Munich does that. Maybe would he want that. Sure again. A lot of guys both him with a lot of power. You know huge powerbrokers in I wonder if Byron look at that and say we just beat that guy seven to. I don't know that we want him here. I don't but yeah I mean look I hold him in that Ashkelon of manager that he could handle handle being at a club like that like I said the guy just finished third in manager of the year. Not that that means everything. But he's he's an elite level manager right what he's done at this club and the way he you know. I joked about it in my in our rap battle but like he made pure Karen Sharpe England's right back like he revitalized Danny Roses career. You know there's players that we just really I. I don't like guys. Look what he turned Harry Kane into you know he got a Lotta guys really really rich So build something there. He definitely been something there. Yeah and then I guess the other side of that is what does it mean for Tottenham. Where do they turn now for their next manager? Well well I if it was yesterday and you read some of the newspapers who were foretelling that something might happen? Specifically the independent they talked about Julie. Niggles men at Leipzig by. I'm not sure he wants to move. There was a lot of talk of Bose Who was in the frame allegory? And now what. We are learning from the interwebs specifically from skysports where he works currently that. What spurs are locked in negotiations? Their words not mine with Josie Marino. This is unbelievable which I do not first of all I put the affiliations with Chelsea site. are not the affiliate it's a clear affiliation between Marino and Jesse but put but the animosity between the two clubs or second and think about what he is as a manager his values as manager. This would be D.. Anti Patch. It will be antipathetic to everything that spurs have built up as their lore. What's the lure Spurs? There's excitement free flowing right wing. Hack minded wingers sometimes traditionally goalscorers Jimmy Greaves Hurricane. Gary Alien Occur Paul Gas going in the middle of the this is not this is not Marino this is not what he will do he will come in and the first thing he will think about. Is God what to do if we use the ball and that's that will be a short term. Fix Talk about cycles. Three years is is not what he does. First season comes close. Second season wins third season toxicity and explosion. You can't be happy about this. You can no he he would not be he would not be on my radar I just can't help but like think of how many shows we sat here and did at the end of his time time with both Chelsea and then again with Manchester United where we just week after week the circus the train wreck. You know the idea you know. Hearing from players that once loved left him that talked about how the game is passing him by. The things are changing the players respond differently. I mean look I could talk myself into it and say oh well maybe this time time away from the game this time away from management. He's had a chance window. We've had a window every week on sky where he he is shown us like. He looked talks about frank. Lampard's team he. The he talks about the young players right and his worries about the young players. And how they they need to be more you know he worries about their defense like he is singularly minded towards stopping other people playing rather than playing himself now. He's he'll we'll have senior pros he definitely. He will have the kind of players he wants in terms of defensively. I've no question there and My worry would be healed. Sign a lot of older guys. This team will change because we know what he likes. He likes guys who are experienced right and that is not the DNA of what's bars. Sabine by the way the DNA of Spurs doesn't even involve buying players period. I mean what kind of relationship is Joel. Merino going to have Daniel Levy. You talk about toxicity. There's going to be a friction between those two Marino. Even when he gets what he wants. He's not happy. Remember all the centre-back cities buying from Manchester United and then what happens at very next transfer window. He's complaining about not being able to buy a new center back because the ones he bought failed to me. It's a bad idea if I had my pick of any one. I don't know that it's on the table I know I. I can't help but have been really impressed from Eric. Ten Hog of axe right I think the way you know. Just watching them the Wa- watching the way he he has brought along young players. which again is part of the Tottenham DNA on part of the war? And how many times have Tottenham gone digging into for their talent correct watching the way he's played performed in the Champions League how they've done domestically I I just think he would seamlessly fit. With what it is Tottenham do. I'm Roy would it be good to watch we right back so you know he would be my number one choice. I've seen a lot of spurs fan sort of echo that sentiment along with knack celery. Whose name to the best of my knowledge is not even being brought up as a possibility can ask? You seems like it's Josie or bust by the time you listen to this. He he may be their manager. They're not GONNA do the. US Men's national team and interview view. Like one person are who is no. It wasn't them that did it. who was the who was it that interview? Just some club talked to one manager and that was you'll remember number. I'm a blanket. We're not that far removed from the US. It when they were going for their manage their new manager opening installing all of the restrictions that basically weeded out like ninety percent of legitimate candidates like Tom Martino couldn't have been considered because of like certain restrictions put around. I'm going to apologize to One of our listeners. Who tweeted this very early in the after the announcement on I want to gauge your thoughts on it? There is a young manager who is English who has developed a team from the championship. I know what you're going to say. Who developed him from League one? Excuse me An as being part of it and plays football football in a way that we all love and has been. I wouldn't say he's been he's been looking for move. I don't know that he has but certainly there's the feeling he may have been looked over for a couple of roles. anyhow What would your thoughts be on which I mean you should interview interview? I think Yeah look if you're talking about managers within the League. He would be like the managers that we've been most impressed with well. You'd have to probably look could guys who have overachieved with clubs that are punching you know beyond their weight So the fact that born with have remained a viable EPL l. side for this long. Of course you have to look at Anyhow Burnley. But no I don't watch on Daij as Tottenham Manager. I just don't think that's right. He's yeah so you know like mystically. How much different is he from He's I I mean am I crazy. Crazy for even suggesting Brendan Rodgers or like what Rafa Benitez was doing at Newcastle. And now I mean he brothel. Would he'd come back. Roger secretly if Rogers has the Eagle that we kind of get an inkling of every now and again in his proclamations like it's submerged under all this management speak if rodgers has that Egwu Andrew he would love of a shot at the spurs shop. I'm sure and he will be obsessed that he really can't go out I don't think he can Last bit here here too. Low to funnel things for one you and some other people also kind of asked me about to be nostalgic and relive my favorite moments of this era. Yeah for Positano. I do have three here. Can I go through them very quickly. Though I want to hear them absolutely mighty my number three November first two thousand seventeen. The Champions League Tottenham Three Row Madrid won the defending champions European champions Real Madrid going into Wembley after Spurs had drew with them to to back at the Bernabeu and Tottenham just played so well since right in here the spurs the swiftest. The when you talk to God it was just one of those nights where just felt like all of this. Everything Patrocino is doing here. It's all crystallizing and we really are a great club like a real European team to be reckoned with remembered a pep talk I gave you in. That draw was made and you were like. Oh now it's Real Madrid and Borussia Tort Mundell Mike Yard and what happened. They won the group. I told you get in in. This is what it's about. The glamour ties. You're right Next one JJ number two for me April twentieth two thousand seventeen. The final north London Darby at White Hart Lane has given the penalty. The talk hurricane always scoring against Arsenal. What a day that was it? It was just the precious painted in at the polls there was one. It was a penalty that was eighty. Right after Delhi Alley had scored then Tottenham they had all the momentum. The crowd was just at a foale throat. and drew a penalty converted the penalty. It was just such a great day to be Tottenham Fan because not only did they beat arsenal that day a but it was the day that also clinched tottenham finishing above arsenal for the first time in god-knows-how-long sat. So what's your what's your number I. Can I ask you so I hid interrupting doing this. Do you want the news from the INTERWEBS. Now are due to play your moment had says it. Is it done. Let me play my number one first okay before this is happening before my podcast changes advice. I feel terrible not having anything from Manchester City city Just kind of group the whole champions Ron last year together but like how. How can you go with anything other than this? Lucas due to the right may eight eight two thousand nine hundred now kind of has to be looked upon as the last great night of the pocket Tino Dynasty. These were fun years. Definitely the most fun I've ever had as a soccer fan has been supporting this club under this manager. Oh no question and I and I'll tell you it was your joy was visible all through these years it it was great for human and Yep here we go for Brizio. Romano of skysports Josie Marino is coming back on firm. Oh my God Tottenham confirmed Tottenham Job Daniel Levy decision and the situation right now. So he's he's posted a link to his instagram. I'm not going to touch it. I'M GONNA go back edit. This is bleacher report. Football verified accounts taught him and Josie Marino have reached an agreement for him to become the club's manager according to ritual Ramana so there the fact that they are tweeting. This outgoing with it Well look you only fire a manager like like Murchio Patrocino if you think you have somebody of equal or better status who can get the job done correct. it's up to each each individual Tottenham Fan out there to decide on their own whether or not they feel like this move achieves that I do not I feel like this. Is Daniel Levy whether you want to call it. star-hunting I if maybe he thought this would appease what would surely be an angry fan base after having just unser somewhat unceremoniously fired fired a legend I think that's a total miscalculation I think there's just been too much bad and too much negativity and too much circus atmosphere around Josie Marino to think that he can come in and fix. What's wrong with this club right now but also I think a lot of what do we say? Prior due to his appointment of Man United and Probably Lazy Analysis from me guaranteed winner GonNa win you trophies but ultimately he be out after three years in a blaze of recriminations crimen nations and And a refused to speak. I cannot comment I I refer you know all this kind of nonsense study. Does impress conferences conferences. Where he he won't one word answers and and all this stuff I don't think this is good at all and I don't think he's guaranteed winner anymore. which his wisey there? Then I mean before pot Schettino. There was obviously the brief Tim. Sherwood era but before that was. AVB who was you. Know a Josie Marino underling and look those. It wasn't a bad moment in spurs history. They came very close. Meanwhile fine for a Champions League but let's let's look back on what that wasn't I'm not saying that Abe Marino are the same but like now in terms of style. Gareth Bale put those Tottenham teams on his back. I don't actually actually know how Great Tottenham was and if you look at some of the players that they had then there is a team probably should have been better than they were Is it going to be AH recession back into that kind of style. Just defensive-minded and hope to Eke out one nils. I don't know if you can do that right now. Between the way Liverpool play and Manchester City play and what Chelsea are building right. Now if you're trying to just go to those places and and get yourself nil Nilsson one. Nils it's not gonNA happen. Look I hope to be wrong long. and Josie Marino has this philosophy of giving me two years. Maybe this is early enough in year. One where this will count and the next season after having a window To work with and by players that will be the year where they can really kick on and do something but man. That's just boy. It's not what I would have done for club can't believe they're firing Marie. So Patrick. Thirteen O for Josie Marino. This is the thought of Marino. Now like manning the Tottenham sideline. This is why you know what I do for your. What does this do for you right? Now that's check skysports news all right because if they're if they're corroborating all this no they're sticking with their wound from two hours go that representatives are locked in talks locked in negotiations. My guess is by the time people listen to this. It will be done. It feels like there's this this sense of inevitability over it I don't WanNa go too much longer. On this non Tottenham fans may be Maybe reaching their end. A lot of non Tottenham fans though chimed chimed in and wanted to know how you're doing and this wasn't just disgusted right. This wasn't just some firing. This was this was. This was a pretty landmark moment in this season so far my last bit on on this. I got a tweet earlier today. from at apocalyptic underscored doctor. He said can you help fell out. who only began to follow? Tottenham Tottenham in November. Two thousand. Fifteen I WANNA follow club. The plays good ball does not buy whatever they want. I suppose I still have an attachment to some of these players. Is it enough. Not enough to tolerate Marino Reno What I would say to him is I feel your pain? I understand that Positano had established a connection with this fan base however the club persists no one man is bigger than the club. No one man is bigger than the shirt it's about the badge and the supporters because players and managers. Come and go. That's right. And then it's a part of community you know it's part of other Tottenham fans like this is what persists in these moments like you said players managers. They come and go but you know never never shun. The Jersey. Never shunned the team under traditions. Can I can I make a deal with the devil a month. Obviously not a real deal yet. If I were to offer you Marino or go back to somebody who brought some joy what would you do. It's Marino or the many mighty name as a wheeler and dealer much. We no no no. No no Harry. Now no groveling Harry but he was laughing on into. You've you've made your name as a wheeler and dealer now off you would have Harry back in a heartbeat over. I don't think I would over Marino. What is Harry Redknapp Doing Sondra done at the beach? I'll take I'll take my chances are and we'll see. This is wild absolutely. When's the last time we had all breaking news on a podcast? Probably when Suarez bit someone remember that. Oh you mean during during yeah this is unbelievable. We take a quick break. Let's do that. We'll talk a little bit of us soccer and who knows what other news will have come out in the in the time since. Don't go anywhere were as we watch these suburban garden gnome carefully Kathleen without disturbing it. Notice that it moves like not at all it's inanimate and utterly without brain function but despite that when it got known hears about how Gyco not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's is clear to them. You should switch because yes. Switching to GEICO is a no brainer on second thought. Maybe don't watch garden. gnomes to carefully people might talk. Scott go to the points are revenge to code owned by Gregg Berhalter side. That's right Gregg Berhalter still alive. Servino PA steaming in cold plate of revenge. That's right as we sit here right now. The US are leading Cuba. Three nil at the half. We're still getting messages though. Oh you Gunar Brian A gunar. Seriously all kidding aside is Andrew. Okay I mean people. I've posted posted a video to Asaka pot on twitter. Just to reassure people that you're okay. Sure it wasn't humiliating at all I have this vision a view because for the last five minutes since we went on the break from the first segment. You've been shaking your head and going Marinho so my worry is you're in some kind of a psychotic moment so when Amanda goes to the store on Saturday and leaves you with the kids she will return. Turn you being the coroner with like Sweaty Bandon on your head and bottlers Jack Daniels Sing Marino. Why Marino and the kids will be covered in their own poop because we've let them run wild so like Lord of the flies will will break out inside of my house kind of every man for himself self anyway? Let's focus on the US. Ticking off it it's just so stop. It's so weird. Like talk about our nation. Come on Yes the US do respond if they defeat candidate this field. So I wanNA talk about any of this. Oh come on what we're doing it come on four one Currently currently winning three nil at halftime against Kuba so I guess from where people were like the depths that people are reaching after the candidate loss a month ago To where we are now look you have to be feeling better I'm not GonNa sit here and say that it was a master class at the. US put out against Canada. But I'm also going to say you know. Some people need to ease up a little bit because it still even after a four one win against Canada the other day there was still such negativity about the performance about the away the US looked and like I said it wasn't wasn't a thing of beauty but like we were the same people sitting here a month ago saying you know what maybe candidates are better than we give him credit four were in this moment of rebuilding. And so like for for all of you WANNA be like that. I say take your electric shock. It's a four one win. Like who are we right now. Now all right four one wins are not just being thrown around left and right for this team so like take it it. It wasn't it wasn't a bad performance. Like certain guys are starting to play better. I want. There's two guys I wanted to mention to you that unlike I'm now coming around on who have kind of been like you know? MLS stalwarts that do they. Are they actually go players or are they what we classify. Jj as just guys I actually think that Jordan. Morris is a legitimately good player. And if he's starting or he's playing meaningful minutes for the US. I'm fine with that lady. Look at he gives everything he he scores crucial goals e sets them up office. We as we've seen he's hired working like I said he's. He really does embody so much of what Kevin Kilbane had for. Ireland are how I remember it. He works hard. He's decent technically he and he's GonNa give you Everton. I agree I know the next guy. You're gonNA talk about Yes Sebastian legit. Who loved him? I've been high on him for a long time and unfortunately injuries he's have affected him at at just the wrong moments And so now you know getting say an extended look but just I don't know I I feel like it's very very rare when I watch him play for the. US come away from it thinking now. That guy can't play I I never feel that way about him. I know he shanked one shot in Canada game where he maybe had a chance and could at least you would like them put on target. But he's neat he's tidy. He's technically good. He moves the ball he links up play. Well what's not to like. Yeah can I ask you something though. Sure like it just general. Play what you saw what. You're is outside of the goals. Now possession believe me is a metric. That can can be unhelpful. It doesn't always tell the full story but the US were at home. Canada had sixty four percent That is huge number. It's massive. They had five hundred twenty passes almost twice as many as we had. What they didn't have was cutting cutting edge Her the manager Herdman did a few things that I was kind of curious about particularly the position and of Alfonso Davies Sorely Agree But that worries me and concerns me and we'll can I address the possession thing for a moment I think the status slightly skewed Because the US courts so early Jordan Moore scored in the second minute and then they got a second one in the twenty third minute trout. The Game I think the once you go up to nil and it was three nil in the thirty fourth the. US Aren't going to be like. I think they're content to let Canada. I don't think I I don't think either got tactics right in terms of of the press. We pressed more for sure. WE WON'T MORE TAXES THAN WE DID in Toronto for sure but there was too many times when I saw Scott are field on the ball Andrew. INA kind of in the pivot position picking passes moving the ball create trying to create chances. The problem was they were very blunt and we were actually. I thought Tim ream had very game. I thought we actually won the kind of fifty fifty balls. We intercepted a lot of stuff in the box. Wchs but I just I'm looking for this coherent berhalter style and I'm not seeing it And tonight you know. Were playing against Cuba on a pretty off of feel. It's it's about as bad field as I've ever seen and it's just. The ball is bouncing round bobbing everywhere. It's a high school field. Looks like they're San covering certain divots from what was probably the shot put competition seeing as there's war so arrogant you're arrogance knows no bounds. No but Your good friend. Arthur Arthur Cogan who is a good barometer of of US fans. I feel a probably more a the once a educated Baltimore it is. It is a great fall. I saw the video he tweeted. He's not happy. No I saw any says. He doesn't matter what kind of surface or does matter. What team you're fan against? This kind of play is not good enough and I would. I would agree with them as as well but Just focused on the Canada game. There's a lot of player there were thought we are. We're minds is off Canada in terms of just the techniques of possession and patterns of play. Not Good I'm sorry I hate to be the one of the power to you. Says there's a rat the sausages or the wine isn't good but that for one was them didn't impress me. I mean yes I. I don't know I guess I understand that you you're looking for them to to truly dominate a game and yeah just take a game with the scruff of the neck being controlled. Well the the temple. We don't do that and you know what I've said for years but was there any moment in that candidate game where you felt like the US were under any real threat. A new control four percent possession. Did you really feel that way at any point I thought Canada's final. Pass was what let let them down their Their inability to breakthrough that the lines. Now we played possibly with a deeper with lower block. And we're looking to plan the break. Maybe that was the plan. Yeah I don't know. Oh Oh maybe we defended. Well I mean John Brooks in Arizona deserve. We're at home. Well that's another thing to talk about. We're not really at home. What the crowd and look? I know of the combination of rain and not really a all that Glamorous Morris fixture and in a tournament that I don't think I don't know if people care all that much about it certain star players not playing dot game was built up it. It was the Greg inning. You know something has to happen in it. You're run into. It was disappointing to to see that there was no atmosphere in that. Oh Wow and I like this team is going to have to prove reprove itself to this fan base before the fan base comes flocking. Back to them. I know which is I know. That's hard for like Ireland or a soccer nation when ardent of being bad which has been for the last five or six years you know a lot of fans turn up at the Aviva for games against even qualifiers if but they're still more of an atmosphere. We still fill the grown to better than than what are Arlanda twenty-five thousand Andrew for for what should be like a dairy began between Canada against Canada grudge match. I mean the American outlaws filled field behind one goal and made it look the behind. The other goal was just wasn't in the second level. Yeah it was. It was despite wasn't pretty. Yeah it was disappointing. Yeah it was. I don't know it was a game that they just need wins right now. BERHALTER needs wins play. Certain players need to rebuild their confidence. We need to find out. What our centre-back partnership that would be an and if it turns out to be air long and John Brooks then I'm okay with that So yeah like this is still all part of this rebuilding process. It's not going to be. I don't know when I feel like we can say okay. Now's the time where we need to start coming up with some pretty wins against decent competition But I don't think that I'm there yet. I understand you know A more looking at certain moments like moments of you know Weston mckennie hitting surging no desk in space desk desk with a great opportunity on that just kind of puts it a little bit wide. He was disappointed in himself afterwards. He said that's you know when I get that chance again I'm going to score You know so little things like that. We're we're starting to just like played with each other. I agree with you. I'd like some of the players that we have talked. Desk was good as well But you know I just want more from. I know everybody. Nobody wants more. No one's ever happy. No one's ever satisfied. They're going to host a World Cup. Nobody no one was happy with. Joel Ellis is. She celebrating winning a World Cup for the second time no one. I don't know what we want Ted Cruz. Who says he's Woo? Ted Cruz can't read the Senator I was reading the handle it's rude. CJ says. Tell him that we are praying for him. Although Ted Cruz would pray for you would imagine people are very nice tavern about say a lot a lot of Nice let a nice things being said about. Yeah you should feel good in this Just not just never expected today. I don't know it's it's it's literally creeping into this podcast to the point where we can talk about other topics I I really don't care about. Is there anything else for the US. Men's national team. I'll be honest. I don't really have much now. I don't think so either tonight they're going to. I won't say I suppose crews very hard to cruise on that field andrew shock me netting rose even Ted Cruz on that field can you. Can you shock me. I'm making comments about the field. I'm being arrogant as the. US Soccer Fan. You are everything that's wrong with this country. All right I did want to ask you about Ireland and there's one other thing I wanted to mention to you. What a complete jerk? You are So I went on twitter. I don't know I wasn't very active on social media yesterday so I went on twitter. Witter this morning and you know how sometimes it'll show you like other random tweets. Let's say twenty three hours weeks. You might have missed right and I see one and from the official show account. That's I don't remember exactly what it said but it was something to by the way for those wondering not a peep from Andrew. I haven't heard anything anything from him. Any sort of condolences. No not even a good look beforehand nor a hard look afterwards but what I years later. What you who sent me a text our worse? I am somebody who after a horrible loss. I don't want to hear from anyone. I like the dust to settle. Lose we all. We always draw one one but I mean in spirit but I'm saying so what what we're talking about is the Ireland game. Marlins say that art and Denmark Ireland had won that game they qualified automatically. They didn't because we always draw. And now we go into this Mad Jumble that is the nation's they so I thought I sent you such a nice tax. I allowed the dust to settle whatever emotions you were feeling you know. I sent you a text message later that night. That said you know if you need to take your mind off of what was a tough result today. Let me suggest this new documentary. That came out on Netflix. That I think you'll really like thought it was heartfelt. I put thought into it. I I really thought I was doing a nice thing and then to see that I felt like it was such a stab in the back but our friendship is ranch. You tend to ten I right. I need the dust settled nine fifty one the do you I want. I want you to jump in straight. I think of all the hours we've spent here lit. Trent D Trans back one. Am in the morning to the hood all the hours. The sweat the blood watching the US play. Kerr sow right. All I wanted was just a a little bit of love from my homeland and gave you one. I just didn't realize there were time constraints on when that love needed to be given. Yeah it's like if if you're very complicated project when you're dating garb and you feel like it's over a period of months and you finally just say I love you. There can be no gap now football. I need condolences latest. He's like you you went out on a date with a girl and you're hoping that she'd text you that night After the date and she doesn't so you think Oh to hell with her but then instead she sends you a text messages the next morning to say how much fun you had but you've already written her off. Why haven't done that before? How do you sustain any relationships? I don't know what I'm in right now. I'm putting putting pressure on for sure book out with me or with your actual girlfriend full of your kind of the same. I will say this I wanted to ask you the Ireland Denmark rivalry one of the most bitter and out of nowhere. I'm trying to think of other random. s rivalry yeah. I don't know how this one happened. We just kept Klay them all the time and they in their in their English they just tell us how much they think. Were boring and bad and stupid. Stupid can early on second captains did. I wish I'd come up with this. Analogy he goes. We're like there's a there's a barbecue Denmark or having a barbecue and Ireland earned vited to it and they're like no we don't want you here and like we get drunk and we trashed the place and they're like having intellectual conversations stations where we're crushing years before joining kooning right like they don't think we're part of the upper echelon you know Peterson's Mike in the tunnel said to the Swiss players you play when when when the Swiss were beaten by Denmark. WHOA nil he said you guys played an unbelievable game? Don't worry are you beat Ireland there so so bad like these aren't afraid to just come out and tell you there's none of the diplomacy. Nothing they tell us where crap and then they beat us. It's such a weird rivalry. It's emerged from nowhere. Why do you play them so much? Well first of of all we had them in the playoffs. They beat five one over the two legs in and then donations league happened and Lo and behold we had them in that and then we have this other qualifying and we have them in that by the way the qualifying. It's the it's the funniest rivalry ever by the way. The qualifying is so terrible so in our group every like the top two google into the finals so that Switzerland and the Dane Right Andrew Ourselves in Georgia and Gibraltar are the teams that make up the group. Only Gibraltar are not still in this thing like it's never ending. It's like the the line in the hotel hotel. California Relax said the Nightman your program to receive. You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave. It's never over by the way. Here's the confirm mm playoffs from Dale Johnson of ESPN. WHO's the only man on planet earth? Who understands this qualifying process Iceland will pay Hungary Romania Bulgaria or Israel. We'll play Israel are hungry. Don't know that works. Don't care be. Bosnia and Herzegovina will pay Northern Ireland. Slovakia would pay the Republic of Ireland. So so we play that game. We win we go into a semi we we go into a final see. Scotland vs Bulgaria Israel. Romania are hungry Norway Norway versus Serbia. That's in potsy. Poti Georgia versus Belarus North Macedonia versus. What's your they're still in it? Pardon my ignorance this year. Nobody goes out. You can never leave so you'll be qualifying for the Hash. Should Ireland Defeat Slovakia. Who Will they then plays that known the winner of Bosnia and This is unbelievable winner of Bosnia and Northern Ireland. So we could have an all. Oh my God yeah. And that game that that final would be at Windsor Park Ireland versus Northern Ireland in to go to qualify for the European champion literally the biggest game since we pay them in nineteen ninety-three too by the way. Look the temperature is much better. Our country's moved on that will still be. They'll they'll reheat that old. That'd be nasty. Oh my God real quick before we close out this podcast One other note. I don't have much else to say about European Championship qualifying. Although I do do want to say one thing I WANNA give a little bit of credit to Italy I know they weren't in the world's most difficult group it's Italy and Finland that wind up going through but in ten qualifying matches Italy win all ten scored. Thirty seven goals only allowed for only Belgium. More impressive in qualification Italy kind of like the Netherlands Our team that a lot of the world has been sort of down on over the most recent cycle or cycles And you know I. I think there's been a little bit of a transition period that has gone on there and I can't help but wonder Italy. You're never GONNA be down for long. No and I never know exactly what to make out of qualification but ten wins from ten games with that sort of goal differential over the course of those games you know if Italy were still down yes sure they would have gotten through but I don't think it would have been quite as impressive as as it is. I wonder if maybe whatever transition was going on. Maybe it's kind of happened and maybe Italy to a certain extent are back and art to be considered some sort of threat when this tournament actually happened speaking talking of back. The Netherlands are back at a major tournament for the first time since two thousand fourteen own convincing nil at the aforementioned Windsor Park Belfast but still By the way ordinarily Mr penalty they were dominated by by the dodge but they still missed a penalty. Michael O'Neill. The Norden manager is no manager of Stoke but he will be manager in March for the playoff against Bosnia. He says the double jobbing will be easy. It's certainly not hard in the video game Wales whereas the European Championships to know win. Over Hungary you Venice's Iron Ramsey rebulk goals. This is interesting whereas beat Azerbaijan to kneel at the weekend and terrace chant by the West fans about Garrett bail drew a lot of media attention in Spain in Wales Gov Madrid. They're singing which is kind of alluding to what pray drag mihailovitch at a Real Madrid slightly suggested was may be the order of priority for Gareth. Bale so this was discussed on football shows on on TV. Marco of course this is the kind of stuff they love. And then bail compounded things tonight by holding a wedge flagging Cardiff saying well Wales Gulf Madrid. In that order America had their article very quickly. So it's kind of funny game. He doesn't give a damn now at this. Point is collecting checks plan. Brilliant for Wales doesn't really play for Real Madrid let's see. Jj before we get out of very super-quick what to watch for primarily this Saturday. Well they get right back at. And how and how Tottenham go to to East London to take on West Ham Saturday seven thirty. Am I hate the seven thirty. Am Game. Because I just know like if you lose that Y- I like the that means your whole weekend is ruined writers. No there's no light brief period before the game okay. Let's go like it's like you wake up and you are. It's nine o'clock in the morning and you're angry on Saturday that's it. What if Marino's sat there? This is London stadium talking about remedy. Tida I don't know man hoped to be wrong. This is one where I because we've got. Obviously we've got connections to West Ham fines having had them on supporters. Groups was on this podcast. Yeah one of our one of my favorite in the clubs that we've done. Yeah that was excellent So I'm following their accounts. They are revved up because they have a manager. who was honestly if someone was going to go in this period it would have been mammo Pellegrini? I would have expected him to get the sack because they they've been wretched now. They've got injuries. They've got to get up for this spurs. Have to be up for this. If there's nobody sat in the dugout if there's nobody there they've they've got to do the manager bounce. Why gamed come into and then Saturday? Twelve thirty. Your game of the weekend Manchester City and Chelsea Chelsea seemingly on the rise is Manchester City. I don't really know what what to think of them right now. They're kind of In a bit of a dark place clan to grips with the new reality that they are probably not top top dogs in this league while okay. continuing your theme of Liverpool. Being champions for a third time this season at city obviously struggling with injuries Chelsea Chelsea Kim up over the international break with something a little bit fun which I want to quickly talk about before we get out ill discipline. Did you see this. This is the range of fines that players can accrue Chelsea. So you can be. You can get five hundred pounds sterling if you're late for team meetings one thousand if your phone rings join team meal or meeting a thousand reporting in wrong attire for travel matchdays. Okay so thousand. Not that much late in the gym for reactivation is a thousand five thousand thousand for not traveling back on the team coach without forty eight hours. Notice five thousand for a refusal slash not turning up a corporate slash community events ten thousand for not reporting illness or an injury ninety minutes before training and twenty grand twenty grand. For if you're late for the start artem training So there we go one last thing a promises lasting Saturday three PM Eastern Copa Libertadores final Brazil Zil versus Argentina. Flamengo vs River Plate for mango returned to the final Andrew for the first time in thirty eight years after battering fellow Brazilians Gremio meal. Six one in their semi-final river dispensed of Boca to win over their two legged semi final. which was probably hundred eighty minutes of the worst football I have ever watch? So I'm hoping the clash of cultures will will be a good game will prove of Google for this final previous meetings Twenty four tomato. Two Thousand Eighteen in the Copa Libertadores Doors river-plate Nil Flamingo Nil first match twenty eighteen flamingo to River Plate to hoping for that kind of game in this final Gabriel Barbosa Bolsa for Flamengo is the top score going into this game In the corporate stories on loan from Inter Milan. He's got seven goals. That game could be tasty but but I'm sick of hyping up these games in the liberty stories To be disappointed. Yeah to be honest with you. Well there you go man that. Is this podcast this emergency podcast cast. We weren't planning on being here tonight. This was supposed to be a Wednesday pot But things have happened as they tend to do in the sport. I'm still in a state of shock. I'm going to go home now and just go on twitter and just scroll twitter for the next twenty four hours basically. You should jump on the account and respond to some of the Nice Mess. Yeah you're right. I definitely should do that. Because people have been very nice. And what I would say the Tottenham fans is like. I'm sure I said a lot of things on this. PODCAST THAT PEOPLE TOTTENHAM FANS may agree with. They may hate me for. They may think was was Asinine I would say in these moments spurs fans feel however the way you want to feel this is a very weird moment to be at Tottenham supporter and if you disagree with me that is totally fine. If you I agree. That's totally fine as well. There is no right answer right now. Nobody knows if this was the right move. Nobody knows if Josie Marina will wind up leading this club to the the sort of heights that Pocchettino Patino could not who knows. This is all very weird and kind of feels almost unchartered. I know they've made manager moves before but not from position quite like this not not so close to having been the European Championship final. It's this these are weird days. These are weird days. But I tell you tottenham fans there will be good days ahead this will not the PACI. No years will not be the last good years of this club. Stick with the club. Always stick with the club. Jj to you. I Say I'll see you Andrew uh-huh.

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Tottenham Tumble out of UCL

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32:13 min | 1 year ago

Tottenham Tumble out of UCL

"Welcome INSULATION OF ESPN AFC down. Thomas joined the studio today by shocking his love and Ali Miranda Malkin and frank leboeuf will be joining shortly as we kick things off in the Champions League. Lifezette taking on Spurs today and this game was pretty much over started. Remember LEIPZIG ABOUT ONE NIL. Lead going into this second like they would school three today against a very lackluster spurs side. So the Bundesliga team took place in the quarter-finals going through four nil on aggregate. This gain kind of happened as you would expect it to the team. The first like proving once again. They're the best team in the second leg by big margin this time round the new question come into this would be what would be given that they had to overhaul. A one-goal deficit had key players missing. Which everybody I'm show. We're mentioned in Sun and Qian have do you sit back. Try TO SOAK UP PRESSURE IN SCHOOL. Lead on or do you get going from the get-go and the end. This was all about Leipzig. They got to go after. Ten minutes. two nil after after twenty one including having one ruled out it was as easy as as could be for them and spruce really had nuances. I saw an interesting tweet saying Leipzig where and have an easier game in the Bundesliga. This season I think that's testaments out around Spurs on it was lifeless from Spurs. No point that you get the sense that they were truly into match and that they had a sense of believe that they were truly in the match and so well when you give up a gold ten minutes and you're almost kind of like well there. He Goes Yeah. And and that sort of if you just look at the whole performance and really the attitude of the players and the feeling around. Spurs. That's sort of the feeling that you get that. It's well it was over. We knew so. We're GONNA have to show up anyway because we're supposed to be here but we've been truly believe we're going to be able to pull this off and you're watching the game. You just got the sense that they could have played for two hundred minutes. Three hundred minutes and spurs were never going to screw up their their one. There wasn't anything about this team that truly gave you a sense of what they have a plan they're gonNA execute that plan. They're really gonNA force live sake into making it a Hong comfortable for them. There was no plan and you can say that about. I not only in this game but you can say now for the last month and a half or so mock open it was interesting because we have the UK feed on the we were watching and obviously they're trying to sell it stirs to make the Comeback. Remember what they did against Iraq never in a million years watching this match. Did you give them any hope of getting back? Into it. No and Tottenham to roll look a lot last season. The Champions League the Muncie game to afford to go through thanks to our couple of strategy sessions the game again was a free performance a freak result in Amsterdam. They desire to file of course but they kind of put the look of it and I think this is not looks worn out and you know there are lots of reasons. The injuries like Shankar says Cain son Steven Burg violence. Come into well easier as well. And then the last season spurs that legacy and that kind of run steam. They needed they needed new blood and partee wasn't happy at the time and they didn't bring in the wanted he left off with the season. Marino comes in. There was a little bit of a bounce. It's not looking good. I was one of the guys at the start that I thought Marino was a good. A good fit for Tottenham bought to the mall after. Say That probably bud call. Because he's got in there and it's not really worth the slipping contention for four in the Premier League. They were awful in the Champions League today. They were often the FA Cup against us we can. I think everybody. It's startling season. So end when he does end. There's no guarantee you'll get any better because the the problem with marina is when the summer comes your wants to spend a lot of money to bring new plays in his record his last COUPLA clubs that Chelsea money united suggests that when Josie Marina has money to spend wants. When it doesn't usually unwell mark. Why were you so wrong? All everything else. When he went in I thought that Tottenham needed a manager that would demand more than the particular not demand mobile. Have that winning mentality that would raise levels res performances. I think China would contend if he's tether with the players in the squad I'll put marine go in there and just give everybody kick up the backside and made them Tofu and hard about. Maybe he's able to be too Fra Harder. Maybe put cinemas right there. They couldn't go to another level because the mentality that isn't quite You know you you need to have a special mentality to play for really big club at Barcelona around Liverpool and Spurs at that level to get that level any of those plays the. May Bill the spurs players capable of going from where they are to where they need to billion nothing. Marino's finding that now and your problem as well on your mark in a sense you mentioned bringing in players in the summer you got to keep hold of your star player and shortly hurricane and you're watching how things over the last few months despite the findings being so committed to spurs in the cars you have been thinking. Juno Watt Name. I have to leave here. If I'm going to get any sort of success. I agree completely art. Hurricane years ago hurricane is probably are. I think he's not miss the chance to get a big move because if you look back to three or four seasons he does pick up. Injuries Pixel Injured Keith. Met for two or three months at a time these hamstring injuries is kept him since. I think December early January is not yet. I don't think a big big claw. Blackbox remedy events is going to take a gamble on hurricane at twenty seven twenty eight because the injuries beginning at stuck up. So maybe he's missed chance to get the big move. From Satnam there are other players at Tottenham. That might fancy move some. I think deserves a biggest stage. Deli alleys plus Tottenham. He's not really move is not really progressing. So it's a big some of its army right. He does have a battle keeping his best players. But I do worry about in the sense that Josie Marina when he's got money to spend spend it causes. It causes problems you know. He likes fires in. Iro's people I just figure if it's not in the summer I think it's going to be a very kind of acrimony is summer. Because WanNa love plays in and Tottenham as we know. Don't spend money in place so I don't think Marino get what he wants and the problem is that you've got you record signing and of course he's come out and criticizing in the media as well if I'm a spurs fan. I'm just worried about this whole house collapsing in front of me absolutely and listen. Here's a tooth. You show a good team in about you and I are very good team and spruce quite clearly young. And there's an arrogance around spurs that. I'm not sure offers Borno to English football and preemies league mentality onto what you saw from them now season or the fact that the WHO manages five games in all competitions all season long spoon have lost four games in the last three weeks. I'm not sure why this result is much of a surprise and as a result unless something within this club changes drastically between no one August maybe Marino is a man to leave the strings and make spruce into genuine contenders. Who THEY GONNA shine. That's the program is looking to rebuild. What does I? I totally agree on your show that this January. Everybody knew that espen would to real estate realistically content. Not just in the Champions League but to push Finnish four down they would have to spend money in January yet. There was nothing of significance when the did spend money last summer. No that play. You don't Beli as you mentioned. It's probably looking for a wheel. If you're on the outside looking for a big club a big move a big opportunity and spurs come calling as much as that may be interest if there is anybody else even close in terms of size of club an opportunity all of a sudden sprays find themselves a little bit lower down. The pecking order. And you're mentioning as part of that future. I'm saying he shouldn't be here to begin with. And this is something that we discussed when he was first appointed and so forth spurs fans out there. I tell you we told you so. This is what's happening right now. It's a conversation. We had at the very beginning when this appointment happened when woody new was brought in the concern was what this is going to last for. The first two three weeks is going to be great. Everybody's GonNa be happy. There's going to be a reaction you you're gonNA get excited us a spurs fan and then reality is going to set in and once reality has said in. We have found that he goes back to things that were troublesome and meant to say united and so people are getting thrown under the ball players. Are we going to be put out there? And every everybody's getting blame exit and yet. We think that you know what he's going to get the summer and he's going to get the players and he is going to get better. Why where where in the recent history of December in your can you tell me? There is a track record of success of putting a team together rebuild an and actually working in a way that you would expect a team to work. We don't tell me about inter. Don't tell me about Porto. Don't tell me about let's. Let's look at the recent history and let's see and evaluate. I coach and manager. Who has had difficulties in getting the very best out of their team and the reaction cannot be blaming. Everybody else except yourself. You know the material that were to. Of course in this they did excellently one simply exceptional got the result in in London as needed and again just as a you wanted to see what would be. I wanted to see how they would come. And they didn't do anything about their identity. They would scare the Spurs. That didn't play within themselves. They wouldn't try to defend a lead. They were very good value for taking the lead up to ten minutes. And then this game being over after twenty they have been simply outstanding outstanding over over. Two legs deserve all the credit that they just remind. Ya missed the show. You can download our daily podcast. It's available on the website or if you prefer. You can go apple podcasts. And subscribe the other Champions League tie today just goes three of four energy getting all of the goals so that visitors advanced the quarterfinals. Eight four on aggregate. The crazy thing about these two legs is eight. Four is probably quite a low bar considering how many goals could have in school it was. It was like a game of fevers crazy. It was fun to watch. Yeah for those of us. Neutrals fantastic to watch and Atlanta in particular. I would just say this when they go to one in this game and you really think okay at this point maybe start knocking the ball around. Maybe you just take it easy. Defend you keep the ball in front of you. It's never gonNA come back and you just keep it at that. Not No no no. It's not in the personality of this team. So they just keep attacking they just keep going after. Valencia goes up. You think okay. Well maybe now we'd really have to defend a little bit better now. Now we're GONNA get after you and we're GONNA score goals and we're going to win the game. It's fun to watch. I don't know if you can sustain that in the next round buddy who cares at this point. If you're at the London and Tarento fan you should be very proud of where you are and how you got into this point. Tremendous performance exemplifies twenty minutes ago. Valencia could have scored three and obviously advance. Which is ridiculous. You think well why was even going to happen but the game was so open that for a moment there was a possibility Atalanta player. Listen we've been retained for this Atalanta bubble to boost. It'd be last couple of seasons but simply hasn't when they've had every reason to and they've just remained to to themselves yeah. They've remained to to to the game that brought success during the course of last season. Got Them into the Champions League does brought the relative success I know not thing is as much as whatever happens from here on in Atlanta. We'll be praised. Typically we hopes money. That's almost w warming for for anybody who comes up against them because at this point they have absolutely nothing to lose. Four one from the first-leg you'd expect most teams would go and sit back and not give too much away. You wonder lap after two minutes and you simply do not stop attacking and as much as you can see again at no point to Atalanta starts. Don't themselves who they are? What they're about and the result again was never uncertain an inch appropriate plan. Oh yeah very much. So and more calls and you have that kind of talent and attacking towns all over the field. I mean Gomez is a great player Do about this coming off the bench and so there is enough talent to trouble somebody in the attack. The problem is a defensively. They got their issues but they don't seem to care. This is like the Anti Maureen when you see at the land up your we can win scoring goals. We can do that. That's that's that's bedding has said and it's fun to watch an exciting. You just got his right there when he says they know who they are and they're comfortable in who they are. There is an identity. You know what they're going to do they're going to. They're gonNA get after you. Good luck trying to defend against them. They're going to have to defend a little bit better in the next round. Who would you prefer live cigarettes Atlanta in the next term? Lonzo I feel I can score goals and then as of trying to keep them all but I just feel Leipzig mobilised meanwhile to ut Samara really good Champions League Games of course is PS g taking on at Borussia Dortmund. That'd be in front of an empty stadium and livable taking on Athletico Madrid at won't be a capacity size crowd at Anfield Athleti slight favorites to advance. But let's not with PS. Gee let's welcome Frank. Leboeuf into the show to discuss this frank. Obviously this will be played in front of an empty stadium to one lead. That Dortmund has going into. This is the second leg. How do you say going well? It's a she should be the advantage of only one go to a to score. Even if it's in front of an MT stadium. I think the players good enough and better than the dot wound but she will have to have to show mentality. That didn't didn't have in the first leg. They will have to make sure that they give everything they need to win that game so we should normally see what they call the four fantastic's if is back after he's a little less but name all. Caveney I think had been paying demeo should play with Marquette and gay and midfield and we should see a backup central defence so again the de. Villes rules are there. Well we'd be. I think so I think so but they will you will have to to to show it to the to the crowd even is NPR to show it to the in front of the TV. Psychologically how're the play is going into this game? Given the fact that obviously Manchester United last ship also before that. I'm sure the sports media haven't forgotten what has happened in. Being reminding the players in the build up to this one. Well there is. There is a fear of could. There is a fear of what happened in recent years. A and they want to go through that they won. They are very superstitious so they they think that everything is going before the game. What before the price where it coming during the game. So they think it's the different. Air Iran and maybe that the NFL the bad luck for various but marquee news just said before that a the fact that the funds they were and there was again something bad for the for the team but they would fight to show that they can even cope with the situation and and beat. The superstition quickly. Boise if you don't don't feel peercy shoot themselves in foot yet again. I'm thinking that overcomes this superstitious That frank is talking about and this feelings from years past disappointments from years past and talent takes over an about the name on the wrestling. Do just enough to get past. Meanwhile as I mentioned the other game at Anfield Liverpool taking on Athletico Madrid as we recalled this will be in front of a fool crowd for Liverpool. A lot of question marks obviously about the fitness of two key players. We know the allison will be out once again go. He is not look comfortable has over. The last couple of matches Jordan Henderson is the other question mark a Mohawk. The reason of course that he is being so it's been so obvious how they missed him over. The last few matches yeah well. He returned to training on Sunday after three weeks out with a hamstring problem. Jordan Henderson has suddenly become the best play by not playing in the last three or four games because they really missed him in that room where they've lost three or four games. Obviously he played in Madrid. Came off injured. But you know he's the glue that holds that team together many ways. I'm not sure that KLOPP will risking from the start. This thing that three weeks and the game is going to need a lot of energy and how intense against let's go Madrid. Can you afford to have Jordan Henderson? Planes first game three weeks and again that really matters now. Klopp is a bit of a governor at times but I think on this occasion. He's got enough midfielders. Tacoma Henderson Start on the bench book. I is a huge thing for Liverpool. This game going ahead with with funds in the ground I mean we all know wh unfilled me so Liverpool and what it means European and if this game is certainly being played behind closed doors it would've taken a massive advantage away from the when I think of all the teams could've played at. Let's go Madrid Diego. Simeone with the one thing. They probably wouldn't want to play in the sense that they would it be phased by outfielder. It will still have any facts it. It makes Liverpool play better. It makes their players just rise to the occasion even more so it's a huge advantage to have the funds in the ground so for me it gives them the edge. I think if it was an empty stadium the athletic over there to go through but I think the funds there. I think Liverpool favors frank. If you go through and this one I would go with Mark. I think we defines Liverpool. We go through the steel very angry at the what the player said the Spaniel Player said after the game. And what did what what happened after discussions. You know in in some press conferences so so I would go with that. I think it was not easy but we live with checker. I'm going to go live with Liverpool. Never saw Liverpool. I don't think this would be high scoring fear. I'm going to four one four to somebody that to how to Liverpool K. I would love to say it but why they were in a better position last year against Juventus where they had a bigger advantage and this was a better defensive team last year than the one that we've seen this year so while people want to say they went bad too old school that they go in the first game against Liverpool will the recent they haven't been able to do it consistently because it doesn't come natural to them plan what what's going to end up happening. You're going to depend on auto mode out to be holding the ball love and trying to relieve some pressure. Well if there was a guy that I could pick to hold the Bolo for me to release some pressure when we are defending as much as thirty go. Maria is going to be. It would not be so I just have to say I. I don't think has enough takes over to fascinating games than in the champions the tomorrow of course on the next edition of this show. We'll be looking back at them. How Red we'll Stevie Nickleby. The final tally will be with me. As will frank leboeuf Beech order join us? Good Ron hasn't that light. Manchester United Win Against Manchester City. Means that are unbeaten in their last ten games. Winning seven of them Mark Ogden. You have been one of the harshest critics of united over the last few months. We wrong about this. As well were turned kind of silicone side with the around the Brune off. An WHO's been an absolute revelation. I think he's had some fantastic quality himself but he's brought the rest of the players. The level is made the midfield is play. Bats is brought to the strike is at the shell a little bit and all kinds of knitting together now. Miley concerned about United degration. The beaten city game at Tottenham the weekend after they played games against teams in the bottom half of the table now until recently the really struggled to beat those Burnley Waterford West Tom. Newcastle developed visits to the season. I think the arrival of Fernandez will help them break. These teams down what we still have to see whether or not you can take advantage of teams that are. GonNa sit deep rather than Satnam so low. It's been a great turn around. You have to give Sasha credit because when loss of Burnley about six or seven weeks we saw. This comedy was real impressionable. The silent offenders is being exceptional a lot of understand why they sign him at the beginning of January the end of January still the government the end. But you know I think right now. United probably favorites together full spot because there in fall but I just think the caveat that they have to stop beating the teams in the lower half of the table and how often enough. That's interesting you mention that taught full race. The bookies disagree with you. They've got Chelsea favorites. Eleven eight on united seven to four. What do you think is then about Chelsea? That's going to go wrong to let united in. I still think that third places. Chelsea united all the other less to Warren Moon starting at Leicester could be caught by the teams behind them. So you know Chelsea familiar being very flaky racially. They had a good one. We can but still Chelsea Wolves at home. They got a Liverpool. This'll go play man. City Chelsea run. Think United if they can find a way as you say it's a bit those teams in the bottom half their softer ruined so I think united have the advantage of Chelsea but just keep an eye unless because they'll be in Villa. Monday lester of you know until I got it. Lost Four of the last seven games in the League so they might slip up yet. Less to the small squadron and had about run the hour five points tells the moments just to remind extra time always available stats in appearance. Epecial to check it out crispy. And then there's crispy try our new and improved Tyson crispy chicken strips crispy just got crispy huge wing around so shout out today beating by two goals to one meaning they move up to fourth in the table now. That game was played in front of an empty stadium as will the next to match in Spain. That was confirmed today by La Liga. Of course taking precautions to stop the spread of the corona virus around the country. We've seen other countries of course take measures as well Italy in the most extreme suspending own football of course until next month. What's interesting? Mark is older leagues the UK. The Premier League seems to be the less proactive. Yeah now the premise of the FAA both basically waiting on the government to advise and what to do next history left in the hands of the government so the UK given a different approach to it so whether they want to try and delay the outbreak of corona virus in the UK. They believe that basically carry on US normies by washing your hands the best way to do it now. I've seen a few recently and privately. They're all expecting pretty soon to have to be played behind closed doors. Now whether that's out of this weekend's games or the following weekend nobody knows you but also those in England Italy game at Wembley on the twenty seventh of March which is to sixteen days basically. Now the official foreign affairs advice for people in the UK is not to travel to Italy if they can avoid it and also if anyone returns to the UK from Italy. Any part of Italy have to sell currency for fourteen days. Now if that's the case in days does that mean it's going to fly tomorrow self quarantine for two weeks? 'cause he wasn't so there's an expectation the England game will be called off and the demagogue don shooter. We called off. I think by this time sweet will all be the not play behind. Closed doors are about to play behind closed doors because there's inevitability about is beginning to spread it just today it's been kind of disclosed by Downing Street. The one of the health ministers got corona virus. So is beginning to affect all levels of society so I think it's only matter of time before the primarily on the follow suit with the rest of Europe. Meanwhile was refusing to go to Greece for their tie against NPR or smart. Yeah now they feel. This is put into what kind of pressure and risk on earth on their players. So we'll have to see how that plays quite late breaking story that one on this evening so whether UEFA except for threatened to punish we know as early in the day for our book. You know you'd have to say that if wolves figure that they're play. Get Corona viruses. It's a risk worth taking. So I think I'll Wednesday and Thursday. We'll find out what happens. Obviously Monday not playing in Australia's in US. No behind closed doors as well. So it's all over. Europe thoroughly is and it's interesting to see what the ramifications will be long-term regarding euro twenty twenty and whether or not that actually take place as scheduled member unique tournament this time round. It's not focused in one country but many across Europe plus just hearing as well. It's half a said. They will not travel to Milan to take on inter in the European League as well of course to keep out all the latest on this as it develops of course go over to ESPN F C Dot Com. But for now. Thanks very much to shack alley tomorrow. Answer Frank till tomorrow. What rates x. Time thanks very much for your tweets. You've got to be quick drove minority job. We didn't sleep last night. Hang out the first question is for you. If you're a visiting player would you prefer to play in front of an empty stadium or a hostile crowd off definitely host Prov? I want I wanted to make sure that Would be quiet. You know because I scored a goal and give you the concentration stamina. I mean you you. We play football because we WANNA play tough fans. Even if they're not the offense we wanted to play with the atmosphere. So yeah the second choice jewelry. I've never played it from the stadium. But when is it Newcastle Second or third season the under we funds for the Dhabi with with Sunderland right in front the away funds out to the atmosphere. It just it even though there's no knows it just doesn't feel right. Allie when you play for chief ask him and it wasn't fun it was you feel. It wasn't great. It wasn't a lot of fun next. Tweet is from gaps Nemo Tattoo Helo Insert. Does mom doesn't get home than any secret tattoo. Hello suddenly not no no to trump four. Only here's a guy out somewhere. No definitely some sort of Tattoo of Gab somewhere. Okay I'm just saying FRAC IF LEIPZIG play Atlanta in the quarterfinal who goes through. How we say laps ish. Because they've the more balance the very good defensively but they know how to work together. They play high on the field. That pressure the open where Atlanta is playing team. They WANNA play. They WANNA play but they don't really think about The defense so I would say. Frank would you do a fringe version of Ocean's eleven with the ESPN AFC crew? Please would be epic. Yeah Yeah why not? Why not? We'll have to choice. The crew was me well. Yeah I think we would all do it with you. Do we ever fully minds on. I could be. The consumption is bit space. We need to be there will be no. I WANNA know I wanNA know would play George Clooney and we'll play Brad Pitt. Well I think you can do Clooney. Couldn't you you've got the DOT COM on so classy? But you sent down. I know you're supposed to get US excited about this movie. Okay turn it down. Mal Colston if Tottenham had injuries with they have advanced yes hurricane. So Newman Stephen Bergman coasted. Boy shocker you will not easy to no no one knows. See Marcus too far in the force He's he's he's over there primarily. Oh I see so he has to somehow make an argument that spurs would have been better than lighting and the truth of the matter. Is that even with song and came. There was a point there. Were looking all that great This team and this coach right now. They're going sorts of directions. And it's not the right. Get Out of Forest Horace Ridge Amok Ranger Mark. That's a question. Who was the blue jacket better alley down? Of course you will. You'll payload blew off saying a very blue jacket. Was obviously my blue jackets pants. But that's Bruce. Those Blue Blue Blue plenty blue. I demand a side by side. Look at some. Yeah okay. Well maybe we can organize some time slow a day. I'm just saying you are the director. The producer now show. You may have happened. This week shocked. Who'S HE GONNA pick? Which which go I know? I know I always joke by the way. Just the pay's going she's your final fantasy. We'll be back tomorrow. Brilliant Day. Isn't it tomorrow? Ps Jay taking on Dortmund Livable. Even against well be sure to join us all right.

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Breaking Down the City-Spurs Instant Classic | Ringer FC

Ringer FC

41:12 min | 2 years ago

Breaking Down the City-Spurs Instant Classic | Ringer FC

"If you've ever stopped at a railway crossing signals are flashing, and you don't see the train or it looks like it's moving slow, and you're thinking, maybe you could get across the tracks before the train comes think about this in two thousand eighteen alone two hundred and seventy people were killed at railroad crossings two hundred and seventy stop trains can't. Take. All the faces. Uh-huh. Welcome to bring Graham see back on a Thursday. I'm your host Donnie with me as always main man, Mike Peters. What is up with it? We're also joined by Shuckers soman what's going on man. I decided to wear my most obscure jersey day. It's great one. Is it? Oh, Detroit city f c I wasn't even looking right city f c we got a fourth tier American sports team from the NPS L got the big Chevy dealers lake on its is actually I'm kind of you know, Hayden right now a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. Shocker never disappoints. We are recording on a Thursday and not a Wednesday because I was traveling. And so I missed what was possibly the best Champions League match ever. Would you guys thing? You know, I actually put a poll on Twitter about this immediately. After the game was over because you know, it was light headed in the room was spinning and I said was that crazier than the two thousand five final and Istanbul between ACL on at Liverpool. Half of it was from from three from three thousand two hundred ninety two votes. Fifty three percent of those were get some sleep. I mean, there was definitely a he buys thing. But I mean to be fair the two thousand five final had no lead changes. And although it did in the penalties. But it featured. Yeah, for it was worse. If Stephen Jared, and a very a fairly outmatched Liverpool team, which is what made it so amazing. I was gonna say something about any penalties kind of almost disqualify. Although the stakes are obviously higher in a final it feels like in a second leg when like a victory or defeat is instantaneous. It's like huge discounting fighter VR penalties. We are of course, talking about the Champions League quarter-final second leg between Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur at the dotted finished four three on the night to city four four on aggregate and Spurs fucking Spurs advanced on away goals, the match had everything I kept hearing. Everyone say the match at everything one thing. It didn't have that weren't really any like handbags or fights or anything that kind of you know, like, Roy Keane. Patrick Vieira moment. I feel like you you might you might have been the only person washing this game. And like sitting there thinking damn somebody bite somebody and make this throw the hand. I thought I thought actually in the very beginning. Of course, let me put everything in context here. I miss the match. Totally. I was on a plane on a Korean air plane flying back from Seoul. So I only could catch you know, the score when I landed. And then I watched the replay this morning there wasn't moment in the very beginning. Where Bernardo Silva kind of bundled into our push Danny rose, and he popped up looking for the smoke. But nothing happened. I think I think no fights because half of Tottenham team was out, including Cain who I would have pegged immediately. As this gal throw some blows. Video after the game was over. It was just kind of like a dist-. I mean, he was yelling co wal. Boy, I love him or whatever. But it was more. So just like it. You could see the sadness in his is used just like damn without darkness mild. I let's just quickly summarize the game. I'll summarize it real quickly. There are four goals in the first what twenty minutes five goals in the first twenty one four in the first eleven a better way of summarizing. Was it took eighteen minutes before there was an attempt on goal that did not result in an actual goal. Great stat. And as the game, you know, so Spurs came in with a one no lead. And as you know, they were trading scores. It was like city were up city were through Spurs scored two goals, and then city needed four, and blah, blah, blah, kept going back and forth where the deficit as the deficit changed or as the scoreline changed. It was like city going through or Spurs going through all the way until the very end which will get to first of all I put together series of questions here for you guys to answer about the match. We talked about the first twenty minutes, the first twenty one minutes, and in the final twenty minutes, they were to our incidents, and of course, Brahim sterling's goal disallowed at the very end in stoppage stoppage-time, which did you? Find more exciting. The first twenty or the last twenty. I take definitely the first twenty if only because so, you know, coming into this game in past pep seems like he's a tinker hill over tinker sometimes to his team's detriment. He definitely over thought in the first leg, and there was more of that in this leg. I mean, like, no. But continue like, yeah. No. I just met like he came out the the eleven that they started the game with seemed like a smart eleven you would start the game with there wasn't any weird. Exclusions for the most part they weren't attacking four three three that under weirdly shifting to like a four one five and it worked they scored three goals in twenty one minutes. Unfortunately. There were also just I mean, the defense was I mean on both sides was a shambles. I mean again, I was joking about blaming this all the jersey combination. It was the teal jerseys versus the baby blue ones. And I was just thinking that like it's it's exactly like if you're playing. Let me pause on that. 'cause the football ramble. I would just listen to their guys. They mentioned the kit clashes well as possibly responsible for some of the defensive errors and even the referees being unable to identify the players from each other. This isn't like Ma Micheals wild theories. This is a real thing. People are talking this head to this. I've come on. I just have to say that like these ethnic manufacturers are, you know, millions tens of millions of hundreds of millions of dollars for these shirt sponsorships, and for you know, like these manufacturers to make the jurors they make fucking like four kids a year. How's it possible that two kits on the pitch at the same time or even remotely close to each other isn't that the purpose of a change kit? This is genuinely like WI fi or six came out. We brought my game cube to Syria to my grandparents house, and they only had a black and white TV. And so we could never use two teams that had jerseys with the same kind of white on their shoulders because. Why the fuck did Spurs not wear white. It makes no sense. Okay. So anyway, continue sorry is an after Labor Day. You're not supposed to do that. There are no rules anymore. It goes menswear. But anyway, like like I was saying like they're. Sure if you want to blame it on the kit, calm the kick clash shore. But also, I mean again like cities defense was ashamed. And so was Tottenham. I mean like in the first twenty minutes, I think I'm so report perfectly laid off the ball to to sun. Then also gave up like got dispossessed by Lucas more at midfield which set up the second. I mean, like Vincent company was a bystander the whole time. Kyle Walker got sold a fake on the second. I mean, like everybody it was a mess. It was an absolute mess. Here's all you need to know is that. City scored four goals in this game. Right. Kevin Debrecen ahead, three assists. I'll Merckel technically had two. That's a good point. But I mean, like if you're going to go the first minutes, I guess I have to go the last twenty minutes just because I have never seen a Finnish. Like that. Like it is. It was absolutely. And the thing is that in slack after after city pulled ahead. And it was just like, oh, well, you know, like funds over Ryan sewing scored again like cities going through the semi finals. It was miles. I think mall Senate first Muslim I used. It's like now I kind of feel like there's going to be like a trash goal in the eighty eighth minute. It was the seventy third, but it was but he was right. Kevin Clark chimed in and agreed before the game started my buddy who has done do about the game. He was like, no, you know, city is going to have a city fancied. He's going to have it look at this Tottenham bench. There's nobody on it that, you know. And I said, well, you know, I remember you're being pretty good. And he's like not you're wrong. He's trash. Renta? Of course, it was only in the game because Mussa soco picked up a not in the first half. And it was like getting pants by Kevin Nebraska, again, a little proof positive there of Tottenham kind of shallow bench that that was the that was the substitution that he may. Anyway, this leads into the second the follow up question, which is again VAR interrupt on VAR. Should we go over both decisions? All right. Let's talk about the Laurentian when I it was ruled a goal replace shield, and they were showing in such super slow MO that you could see actually the ball like his arm muscles reacting to the ball. I guess a rippling a little bit as the ball kind of nicked off his elbow from another vantage point, it looked like it kind of went off the port. Did you guys think that was a good goal or a bag? Oh, so I or a noble, so I I have some kind of some issue with the review here. And that they apparently only let the referees. See one angle of this goal. And on television. We had an extra angle from behind the goal that showed his arm tense up which is already to me. Like what the fuck if if VAR is going to work the referees need to have access to every single angle possible. Anyway, sorry, none of your find. And I agree completely. It was one of those things where I was listening to the ESPN NFC pod this morning before I came in, and it might have been like Shaq, a Hislop or something who basically said, you know, in the past it might have been fine that you know, it bounces off his arm, but it's inconsequential. But the way that the rules are written. Now, if any part of his arm touches the ball before it goes in net. Even if it's not on purpose it to disallowed goal. Real. Isn't that that that wording of of the rule doesn't go into effect until next season? Right, possibly I. I'm taking it out. Oh, okay. Well, I was just saying that the intention like I I've we talked. We talked about that on this. Mark asked about the they were removing intention from the handball rule, but I didn't think it was supposed to go into effect until next seas. Not not to further confuse things. But I feel like that the intention part is removed only as it applies to the scoring of a goal. Okay. Not at not as a defender turtle. And so like to answer your broader question in on VAR. I think based on the angles at the referees had for both calls. They made the right call in on VAR. They add rather they get it wasn't enough to overturn exactly which we see in every other sport where we have review my issue. Lies more in that. If we have these other angles that are available as viewers why aren't the referees getting these same angles? Why can I on a laptop stream bootlegged off of like seven different servers like an icy the rippling in don't tell on yourself. Exactly where a resume. With the sterling goal at the death, which would have put city through a guero was a hair off side. It was basically a suicidal pass by Christian in that was deflected by Bernardo Silva, which then made a in in off sides position. But it was really this goes back to the ROY Smith opinion about offsides with spirit of the law in the letter of the law. I think he was yes, technically, you know, a hair shoe, whatever toenail offside, but seems unjust to me. So maybe I'm not actually out on VAR more so out on the side law on on. What do you think? Like, well, the thing is that like what we're talking about is a what VAR would you know in a perfect universe mitigate which is endless debates over refereeing decisions. It's only intensified like what we're seeing is the positive the language around the rules of the game like safer. He said well said that's a sounds like almost like a writer. It's. It's been known to happen from time to time guys. So like the also defense as it's written now is a player in an offside position. At the moment. The ball is played or touched by teammate is only penalized on becoming involved in the active play by interfering with play by playing or touching the ball passed or touched by teammate or interfere with opponent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, bubble language. I don't think of where was off side. See the thing is is that like there is like a small there's like a smidgen of wiggle room in there. And technically there's not enough if it was ruled on the field off side to overturn that which doesn't feel just but because. It really wasn't pretty it was a pretty goals a pretty celebration was a great moment in the stadium. I'm total neutral here. So. Yeah. You know, but to ours credit, we've talked at length before about VAR, and how it seems like an inter minimal time for them to make a decision and this one they didn't even you know, the ref didn't even really have to go to the TV. I think it was just like an earpiece because it it it just appeared on the the overhead screen like everybody in obviously I wasn't at the game. But the the the stadium mood was crazy. After after they announced the goal was disallowed. It seemed like the entire stadium was in. This will not in the entire stadium. I guess Spurs fans to I mean, everybody didn't know what to do. They were in disbelief because they had just watched you know, the city players and pet reacting so joyless joyously to the goal ending the net. I mean like Todd fans inside of of their stadium. Head lived and died many times by that point. So. Just they like it was the the crowd reactions house for just of disbelief like and on. Did you guys happen to see the end of the the I h f women's hockey final between Finland in the US? No, no. I didn't. Sorry. Okay. Reminded me of that. Just long story short is that Finland where the home team. Actually, they scored in overtime, and they had a huge celebration. Other overtime sudden, death and all the players poured off the bench. They were hugging kissing everything. And then it went to instant replay. And then the goal was disallowed. So it's like super cruel to to have the celebration. And then have the decision overturned. I think actually Billy Hayes Lee wrote a column on deadspin about you know, VAR may get it. Right. But it ruins that moment or it. The best moment in soccer. I guess is. When a goal is scored in now every time anyone scores a goal. There's going to be this question. I mean sure that was like a like a refrain during the World Cup is that like they were reviewing everything. And it's just kind of this awkward, no man's land. Where you can't celebrate. And then once you can it's just like, well, I don't really wanna know how it's still rather. Be right. I would rather like you would rather it be the correct decision. I actually kinda disagree. Also with Billy as least premise not for the first time because I feel like in the South Korea, Germany match if you remember the last goal scored I celebrated with my friends, and then it was like going to VAR and then the goal was upheld. And then we celebrated again, doubly hard. So you get maybe an opportunity for two celebrations. If the calls in your favor that and just one last thing on talking about like the stadium. I feel like I think back to a sentence. Andrew DARA wrote on the ringer dot com. About the bills. Yeah. What do you call a miracle? When you the victim of it. If I'm a city fan, I'm thinking like what do I call this? This is an amazing moment that I'm suffering through a tragedy. One other topic in a follow up here that we've talked about also at length on ringer FC away-goals. So of course, with feel wiggles rule and Tottenham carrying a one nil lead from the first leg, they advanced. If there were no away goals and was just play straight up. They might they wouldn't it still be playing that have gone to extra time and then possibly penalties time still out on away goal. I don't ever want to hear you criticise windows. Absolutely. Not never again. Not after yesterday. Can we ever talk about the away goals or will? It would have been watch them play. You started this podcast asking is this the best Champions League game of all time. And then you're saying what if one of the things that made this unbelievable didn't exist where they would if they traded, you know, couple more goals in extra time wouldn't have been amazing might have been might have meant left. No doubt that this was the best Champions League match of all time. I don't think the game would have been as open if there was no away goals rule city. Wouldn't have had any reason they're willing Bush hard. Yeah. Tottenham when they were down for two wouldn't had a reason to push his hard. Okay. Well, you might you mentioned earlier when we talked about the opening flurry of goals, and maybe the match overall that there was a lot of bad defense being played. But that's one way to look at it on the other hand might we just say it's great offense. Or that this era of football is the great offense era in. Sure, you could say that. But like I mean, it only takes looking at any of those goals kind of closely to see that it was shambolic defending on other side for the first half hour. Laporte mostly the port mostly the port in mostly care. And cure and trivia. Yeah. I mean, I mean city did a really good job of with their attack up the wings, basically, forcing all of Tottenham defense to kinda crumple into one side. And then because they were essentially running four one five could send Bernardo Silva untouched up the wing, and it's like, oh, cool. He's pretty good. He's and like when Kevin debris in a like, I said, you know, three assists had like four big chances created like when you have him directing traffic. It's it's not when you directing traffic, and you also have only Victor one Yama to throw at him Victor. All right. Well shock or do. You have any final conclusions are stats from this matching wanted. I mean, just one basically, I think we can talk a lot about our wiggles or whatever. But to me the biggest reason other than Enrique LaPorte not being great right now that city's not going through and Tottenham is Kevin Brennan didn't really play in the first game. Kevin debris played a couple minutes in the first leg of this. He in that time in the entire game. You know city looks lost on offense in the time that he comes in. He completes three of three passes in the tacking third and one in the penalty area in like two minutes in this game. He creates like I said, he three assists four chances created like a fourth of his team's chances created. He is the director of all of these big moments. Where was he in the first game? You have the most dynamic offensive attacking midfielder in the world right now. Probably. And you're just like, no, we're good. So peps reasoning for that was what? They were resting him for what FA Cup head. I don't remember squad rotation. Whatever the reason was that. He was overtaking. Yeah. I mean, like the same deal for leaving lira Sanni on the bench until that if you need if you're chasing a game come on and get you know, there's a Premier League raised. There's a whatever you have to live up to the expectations of last season. But if you're in a position like city is where last season was historically one of the best of all time. The one thing that you have not been able to do as a team win the Champions League. This team isn't built to win the Premier League they've done that it's built to try to win the Champions League. And you leave your best player off of the roster in a game. And it comes back to bite you obviously hindsight's twenty twenty pep forty L is still the best manager in the world. But. You know, not that comes back to bite you. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of interesting how I mean, let's not forget that couldn't miss a penalty in that first leg. I blame his bleach blonde hair. Listen, I think we've been talking about, you know, the city quadruple for the whole year now. And now it's down to Ouaga's could still do a trouble. But if they don't win the league we can look at Mahrez miss penalty against Liverpool. The fact that a glare missed that penalty in the I I obviously things could have changed in throughout the rest of that match and the second leg, but I mean, it could be to miss penalties that doom city to only the care about Cup physician. With that note. And it's only right that we bring in the only Spurs fan at the ringer. Kevin Clark, Ken where are you calling from? I'm calling from Orlando. What a shot to Sean you. This is Sean you eraser. Wow. Who is worn his sunny jersey for every Tottenham Champions League game to the mall. Like when you out, you know, like when yell Ming was on the rockets, they were y'all fans and rocket fans like a filet, Sean you as a son fan, not a Spurs fan. If son went to Barcelona he would become a Barcelona fan anyway. Kevin where were you watching this game? And in Orlando, I it's funny. Yeah. I was Landau, and I was watching my family's TV. And it's funny because the last game of any kind I watched on television with was the chiefs Rams Monday night football game, which is amazing because this was the chiefs and Rams of Docker. I mean, we're just like gold Gogol goal. It was awesome. And so this TV has magical powers and now I need to watch every game on this TV. It's blessed. You should watch every sporting match on that TV. What what was your reaction when sterling scored the goal that was eventually disallowed? Will you like Ono Spurs e again? And and like, yeah. No. Of course, I I would like to be very honest here after sterling goal. I turned the game all their coal with something. Like, you know, sterling global superstar, whatever I was like, I I've seen enough this, and I didn't find it off. And then and then I I did something I forget what it was. And then I got gotta bring a water gun new copy or something, and I came back, and I was like, you know, there's two minutes up it might as well, gee, I might as well see make sure they're not going to score them their Google and turn it back on and it said four three and I was just in. My is is is my cable box. I think I have no idea, and then I kind of figured it out. And then there was a final whistle. And I it was it was so surreal. It was almost like a twilight zone episode where usually turn it's like, I turn soccer off, and then turned to back on again and everything was fixed. Much like Moussa soco. Actually, I don't know. If you read that he didn't know after the sterling goal he thought that Spurs were out. And so he he didn't know that they had one until after I guess people were coming in the locker room celebrating. When I got is that Kevin is Moose's Oko. I've never seen them both in the same room at the same time. We were we're watching. Kevin as a longtime Spurs fan is this is this result. What you would call like a game changer for the club. Or at least the modern era of the clip it maybe I mean, if we lose to I act from the semi is. I think that is this is obviously going to be one of the best night's ministry of the club. But I think it's going to be a little bitter. Sweet. If we lose the next shot, I think there's no shame whatsoever and losing to to Barcelona in the final if if that have happened, but I still feel like there's ways to go to a race sort of the broader perception of Spurs. I've never I sort of thought that the whole Spurs thing was was always a bit overrated. I never really bought into it. You know, if you really wanna rag on teams, there's a lot crappier teams than confers especially finish top four and have won a lot of big games and beating a lot of big teams. And so I I think that from the sort of worldwide perception they have to close out against. Ax for the the book to be closed on that sort of narrative now for Daniel levian like for fans that are constantly calling for Spurs to buy players by players because they never do just getting to a championship semi final possibly final impossibly lifting. The big old jug years mean that they don't actually need to buy players. I think it had buying players better than now by player. Okay. Like, I just having extra guys is good. We bought the soco for a club record fee. It took him a while to get in the mix and and for him to become the best player in the world. But obviously happen. And so, you know, I believe in the development of much chino and ends you can sort of really make anybody better. I think I certainly muster their the top top top by your your. I think you're making better on the project. We've we've seen that in the past. I I think that the buying takes a little Bank system is important. You know, Paci said before he'd rather play youth players. Than new signings, or whatever 'cause before sort of system and work rate over certain types of players. And you know, we saw that in the remarkable thing I think is both zone and lamelo have both been on the verge of being sold because they didn't look like a system fit until they were. And so I think that pots working these guys in is really valuable. But I also think that if we go out and buy we get into sort of topped your player market that can only help I don't think that we have to go out, and and address certain thing, by the way, we have not to arson banger this, but you know, next year when we get hurricane back. You know, whenever Eric dire gets back, those are like new signing. Okay. We might win a champion. Who you might win the Champions League without Harry Kane. I mean, it's it's kind of incredible. So I'm sort of on the fence about signings. I sort of I Lord knows that I'm extremely comfortable saying, I know more than someone who works for a team or whatever. But I really do trust Marie THEO chino to to build that swat assuming he's don't care. Now, he's going to be there. Kevin I need to run. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk after Tottenham crash out against. I don't think we'll be taught that happens. I will not be calling up at. He's got. And now in the studio we had a Spurs fan. Kevin clark. Now, we have a city fan. None of the name Tyler times your what's up Thailand to perfect too. Pretty. Y'all. No, do you. Did you watch the game? You know, what happened? Tyler also turned it off. Sterling Goldwyn him. Just we played it on feet. So it's all good. She was great. Tyler I'll ask you the same question. I just asked Kevin how did you feel after rain sterling scored in stoppage time? And then the goal was disallowed take me through the motions. I say if you'd think her all right and over him sterling is your favorite player to VR races. All right. It's anti-black. Let's start there. I said stance. For. Racism, you know, our respect Kevin Clark. She's crazy. Podcast firing here. Now, this is a mild start. Mall star. All I'm saying is time a fan, I met his either bought a broke. So I don't respect. I I'll go to to to Kevin is neither but continued. Don't ask him about that. You know? I'm just telling you the streets told me, I was real sad, man. Because you know, they call right hemoglobin for star. And you know, I I was happy put some respect on the prince that was promised. Yeah. But that was really crushing. I took my pants off for no reason. Strays with what did you think of the call itself, we talked about earlier before you came? But did you think that that was just lead overturned? No. I mean like beyond like if you wanna throw the racism out like from a practical standpoint, it was bullshit. I mean, I just would never do that to somebody is pretty is writing deserve that. All you gotta go to New York Times talking about fans leaving him alone. Y'all wanna take this man this his hat trick? That's corny. Yeah. I mean, the fact that it would completed a probably what would have been infamous hat trick is honest. Tattoo his face on my belly. As as a city supporter. We're looking at pep Guardiola now since winning two champions leagues with Barcelona. He's had what would he never wanted it with Byron? Nope. This is three straight seasons with city where he's you know, his team city have gone out before the before the semi-finals was the round of sixteen is first season quarterfinal last season against Monaco. I believe quarterfinal this season. Have you lost any faith? No, man. I mean, he just got his regular flaws. Right. Like, he only like, no African players weather. No. But pip out here ways affinity scarfs getting poppet talking about his beef with your tour like every black player that's ever existed by Madison wanna play Sanni at all which you know. How do you? How do you explain sterling? Well, you know, he transcends. So it's it's different out here for him. You know, they don't just light skinned by players may. I don't know. I don't know all too. Don't know. There's definitely a problem with over-simplification here. My man loves the start slow, which is why we got ran by some corny players dot com. In a one zero game is so over simplification of his tactics at times in the Champions League can be very frustrating. But I mean, we got oil money. Yeah. I hear you got inside the lose to a bunch of eighteen rules. So I mean, that's embarrassing. Couldn't be me. Do you feel you feel you'll be somewhat vindicated because city played Tottenham again on the weekend on Saturday going to be there, would you will you feel something to -cation if you win like five? No, or I don't I don't really need indication because this isn't hurt my feelings. Right. You know, if if a loser club wants to feel good about beating the big dogs, you know, power to you. You know, it's it's like when Larry Bird beat the Lakers that one time like all, right? You know, let's cool for your mantle. But like for me we about to win the league baby. So Mike and shocker you can't see this. But like a single tier just roll down Tyler. Did he say he got upset and took his pants off for no reason? Hey, man. He's a few. Is it a one by? Are you? I I get the feeling Todd takes his pants off the reason. Know breathe out here. All jokes aside. I think you know, pep has won everything he can with city city of already won the league. I think this was like this is the one trophy that I feel like the board and he wants to win badly. So I knew crashing out at this stage. Especially the way they did is going to hurt their psyche. At least so how do you feel about, you know, the rest of the leaks? So they're two points. Back of Liverpool with a match in hand so five matches to go. How confident are you that they're going to win the league? Again, if they don't if they don't wanna league, I'd be sad. I mean, obviously, I, but I don't I don't feel like they're going to lose the league. You don't like there's no trouble, my heart. I mean, it's sucks to lose Champions League game to racism, but we're gonna win them. So I mean, you know, why wouldn't they have disallowed sterling's other too? Yeah. He's trying to make progress. Which I Tyler since our time's wrapping up here. Let me ask you would. I'm curious which player on city, you hate or or would wanna ship out. Laporta? Honestly like, I do not. Oh, yes. I usually he should. His name. He is has a very good reputation for being a ball playing center back. But has I mean like if you really think about it has looked suspect defensively? More like more often than you would find comfortable for being at at the at like. He looks like the dream distributor centreback only sometimes because he kinda can't match that all the time. He makes boneheaded mistake. So he did against on him. He also occasionally it's like the poster child for not for like, not using nicotine. You know? So I I I hate him his hips don't work, right? Like him on my team, you know, like let odor many run into people for for ninety two have Otamendi chasing, Lucas more and sought around the pitch in a disorganized defense. Did you walk? Did you see how how badly that strategy work? Fraction. Dana here. It was trashed. But I mean, listen anything's better than than young, man. I mean, I won't even say his name respect too. Well. Gentiles only Tyler doesn't respect LaPorte or Kevin Clark or on you or showing you, oh, nausea or or Spurs sports. Verse fans who are invariably bald and broke. I mean, this y'all words. Anyway on that. No Tyler thank you for joining us. Appreciate. He's great. Becky, I'm just glad that had Chelsea fan as someone who was balding and broke. Tyler is left Kevin's off the phone shocker at to run off. It's just me, and you might go. Yeah. It is negative you go. I was going to say as I mentioned I was in on a plane returning from Korea while this city, Spurs mattress happening. I was also in career for the other Champions League matches which unfortunately because of the time zone were happening while I was asleep. So I wanted to give you a couple of minutes to talk about bars Barcelona's first ever win at Old Trafford beating United three nil. Did you have any hope coming into the second leg that you could overturn the deficit, and how did you feel about the? Yes, I did has moved that. We could overturn the deficit. It was a fragile hope. Just because if you really were watching the first leg after Barcelona's score, they kind of looked like they could be got at. I mean, it didn't I I don't know necessarily United was the team to get at them. But it was possible, you know, going into the. Second leg yard stuff about Mike falen talking about Paul pug buzz saying that you know, like he's unfinished as a player he has a lot to improve like you need him step up in this game. And you thought that maybe, you know, this would be it. There's a there's kind of a feeling that maybe they could overturn it. And then you get punched in the dick twice in the first minutes with two goals from the best player on earth. You know, like, there's there's no accounting for Lio. Messi also is just that would ever are the change of circumstances have been at United with ole as appointment with these changes in the coaching personnel. So on so forth. We are still going to be suffering from the same problems, which is that we are starting Phil Jones and Chris bowling it that that's still are most stable centreback pairing, which is a problem. And also Ashley young playing meaningful minutes at outside back and getting torched was again, a problem if field is it fair to say that kind of like the afterglow of the. Lay you know, manager bump and and fulltime appointment has subsided. Now. I mean, yeah, we've lost five out of the last seven. It's an EMMY like it's we like, it can still wait until the summer to have anything definitive to say about it you. I mean, like I said before you know, like there's probably going to be a deaf after he gets the contract bright. Two points out of fourth. I mean, I would imagine top four is kind of mandatory, right? I also don't feel like it's going to happen. A feeling we're going to be a Europa league team next year that's gonna make recruitment difficult. I'm really just hoping this point that we get Paul Mitchell for our sport, the Rb light said sporting director for our director football because I was not the Australian hair product, dude. But yeah, like, it was you know, I like you said you're sitting here expectations low respect, which I think I can't remember if it was Barney Rony the wrote about this in the guardian or maybe it was a piece of the telegraph. But kind of thinking of the ole appointment as lowering fans expectations like making us. Okay. With not being like what we once were. I mean, like because I mean, if you think about it we've had much of the same problems that we had before he showed up, but we feel better about them. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Let's quickly talk about I XE. Shoutout to our daily departed rhino Hammond who call Dayaks in the chipping semi-final here. They are man. I again, Legos like this had the most potential to be the most lake I exercise rob Madrid. They have now bounced event as an rail Madrid. They slayed the vita Chris charter all although which was. So wildly satisfying. And it wasn't like again, it wasn't there there. They run into the semi-finals has not been fluky by any stretch. I mean like they have they soundly beat both teams. And I they are just such a joy to watch. Let me like they play with no fear. Yeah. I think you know, the Spurs. I XE semi final is going to be is going to be the one that's kind of like to team to teams that are punching above their weight a little bit. So should be exciting. We should mention Liverpool. Went by Puerto with ease. Unlike what I predicted so Spurs an eye sliver pool. Barcelona who's going to be in Madrid in the final Spurs, and I ex Barscelona. I think it's going to end up being you know, what I really do think it's going to end up being Barcelona Nayak's. Wow. Wow. I'm gonna say Spurs in Barcelona. Maybe I'm reversing Spurs. We should quickly mentioned European although European according to five thirty eight Liverpool as the best chances of winning the Champions League title game. Those are all Liverpool fans low. That's why. There. You wrote the league semi-finals are said, I know you're excited about that mica arsenal. In valencia. I should say Valencia and Chelsea an Amtrak Frankfurt. Those are the two semi-final Soviet still looking like we might have an arsenal. Chelsea euro believed final. Let's close this episode, Mike, I'm gonna give you a trivia question. Hopefully, it doesn't take too long for you to answer. Okay. Are you ready shoot? The in the Champions League semifinals. Those four teams I mentioned Tottenham. I ex Liverpool Barcelona there are eight former Southampton players. Can you name four of them? Eight former Southampton players on those teams. Yes, an Evan. You can cut out any of the dead time as Mike is brainwave on Gilady undulate. Victor one Yama correct day on Lovin. Correct. Dussan Todd each correct and. Oh, I guess I can just say Adam Lana, correct? Wow. Ding, ding, ding for marks to you might go. The other players. You didn't mention, of course, Liverpool's saudi-omani and Virgil Van Dyke Tut Tottenham backup keeper Paolo, Gonzaga and Tottenham defender Tobie Aldebaran. So proud to the south Hampton academy, and we're not even whole Mitchell. That was his doing. We should also mention Pacino former Southampton manager and Alexander Klay Chamberlain who hasn't played a minute in the Champions League this season. But is also a product of the Southampton academy so props to them anyway, Mike, thank you for joining me when we when we're back in two weeks. We'll talk about these semi finals as well as the final matches of the Premier League season. So thank you. Of course, peace everybody even tweets. Here's good news. The number of collisions involving train at a railway crossing down eighty three percent from its peak in the nineteen seventies. Here's bad news. There are still more than two thousand incidents that year stopped trains. Can't.

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CL Final Matchday Recap

Stoppage Time: Champions League

48:42 min | 2 years ago

CL Final Matchday Recap

"Ah. What's up everybody? Welcome to the start of stoppage time. I'm your host max Baril and this podcast to voted to the Champions League or what's left of it. Joining me to read Ryan and Willie cats Baril, gentlemen. How are you doing today? Why max, thank you will. Yeah. Read. I'm I'm happy, a bittersweet day bitter sweet. Yeah, I guess that's a good way to put it Willie. You're coming at us from the Netherlands, you, were you were hoping that I actually be in the final, but you bet incorrectly. Went to the wrong country, all together. You should've been should've been watching in from drid or from Liverpool. Of course. I mean that really would have been the the cake. Right. They're read coming at us from New York City as always. But, you know, we don't live as an exciting life as Willie does. But read, you know we have. If only bladder had kept into personally deny our press passes. We were be there with with everyone in Madrid celebrating. But of course, we're up read. You're absolutely right. Fans of the show. You should know little behind the scenes. Look, here, we did we petitioned hard to fica to get us to wafer specifically to get us press passes to, to do the show live from drid. They denied us. They said we were not a legitimate outfit, which, I mean, it's it's a little too personal. It hurts a little bit. We know a little bit corrupt organization. There was some talk about back door bribes and things like that. But we're upstanding organization we weren't prepared to go to those depths, but we could easily have the trifecta Mani for me. No. And saw here on the show with us right now we inority had it lined up. So just blame. Feta. With the three of us. We're going to go to train it until bag. Or we arrange something there. I don't know. We might have a little things happen and true tobacco when it comes to world soccer, Willie shells. By world soccer Trina tobacco baby. We would have gotten lost read, and I would have ended up in Trinidad and you would have been in Tobago. Can't you know, it's too. It's too confusing is too confusing. I'm kidding. Of course. All right. Obviously, we are going to get into today's final all come to this. But before we do that, we've got some big stoppage-time announcements, you might be saying, what is the future of stoppage-time, the Champions League is over? I'm going to wait all the way until next season to hear your beautiful voices again. Well, no, the show is taking on a new format. So bear with me here for a second before we get into our recap the show is going to become a weekly soccer show. So we couldn't stand these long breaks three four weeks at a time without talking about the sport. We love. So we decided to make the show weekly, and we've decided to make it a little bit take a step back if you will, and talk about the big picture issues facing the sport today, it's going to become a weekly talk show, me, and one of our esteemed co hosts bring. Being one topic each to the table that we would like to discuss and then the two of us will get into it, obviously listeners if you have topics, you want to discuss, I think we'll have ways for you to submit those, maybe those will get entered into the conversation, so it's going to allow me and my co-hosts to talk about a more diverse array of things in the in the world game. So we're gonna continue right on through the summer, you're going to get the first episode of the new version of stoppage-time this upcoming week episodes will probably release on Thursdays, and we're going to go right on through the summer because guess what there's all sorts of exciting soccer topics to be talked about. We're going to reflect on the season past. We're going to be looking ahead towards the season to come any big signings over the summer. We've also got things like the Copa America the women's World Cup. So there's no shortage of great things to talk about over the summer, and then once the season starts up, again, it'll allow us to jump depending our topics, whether it's something to do with the premier. League Lolita the boondocks league Syria. You never know. And of course our beloved Champions League will surely be a regular topic of conversation. So I, I ask that you that you stick with us in the weeks to come that you give us lots of feedback on how you'd like to see the show evolved, because it is going to be a little bit of an evolution as we find our feet in this new format. But I think it's gonna be very exciting. It's going to bring a lot more content to you the listener, and I think it will give us a wider array of things to talk about. So I'm very excited for it, but the show will become less of a match recap show and more of a big picture. Lively, debate conversational show. So Willie Reed are you excited for the new stoppage-time come super excited? That's going to be great. That's that's good because read night, we're going to be coming at you in this first episode this upcoming week. And we've already got the topic line the two topics lined up, but we're going to keep a little bit secret right now. You're just gonna have to tune in on Thursday. And see what that topic just happens to be. But that's that's days away, we've got a Champions League final to discuss Q the dullness and the misery. Because guys, you can't have it. All you can't have a thrilling Champions League tournament and a thrilling final. This was a little bit of a dull affair my wrong. It was very goal was Clem attic. And we couldn't expect the game. I don't think of the caliber of the Liverpool Barcelona the dot com. I was expecting. However, something a little bit better than what we saw read out like. The. The Champions League writers ran out of steam last round all the drama and, and elegance and incredible finishes to those magic sort of tired. Tired the Reivers out and we were left? Sort of drab fare. Well, you know, read it's because the Champions League script writers are actually, the game of thrones writers, and they brought him in just for the final, and they couldn't they couldn't do it. They couldn't finish strong. Didn't want any extra time. No god. I texted with you read during the game that the only suitable thing would have been, you know, maybe an Eric dire goal, just to force us to watch thirty extra minutes of extra time that would have been. Not too exciting but it was Liverpool to Tottenham nil Sala converted the second minute penalty off the soco handball. We'll get into that. And then diva kore- the unsuspected hero, the hero time and time again for Liverpool this season in the eighty seventh minute with which was actually quite beautiful goal. And then. Pretty much nothing in between. All the congratulations, go to Liverpool. Obviously, they've had a fantastic season. I'm sure this goes quite the distance to making up for their coming in second place in the Premier League. But I mean, here's my take, and I don't know if you guys both agree with me. But to me, Tottenham looked so poor in this game. And then the fact that Liverpool got that early early goal off Sasako, which I'm not sure what he was doing. He's sticking his arm out like he didn't realize he was in the box. But Liverpool got that early goal. They said, all right. We can defend this, and then Tottenham we're just so bad that Liverpool just didn't have to play any Horder than kind of your basic jog from that point on. And so it just kind of brought out the worst in both teams. I mean it was across the board. It was not an attractive game. Read, I'm curious your thoughts. What, what start real quick with the with the penalty? I denounce were griping after the call saying, oh, you know, Rex are making it making it so that every little in practice now going to be a penalty. Oh, it's, it's so hard to play defender in the modern game watching that soco's arm was up for no reason. The he should I not. He shouldn't have been in that position where he could have exposed himself through a potential penalty. And good teams get into position where they can get penalties money mmediately charge. The box probably Tottenham a little bit off guard, and they were able to advantage. So I you know, I don't see any reason to feel sorry for soco there he made a mistake that was dumb, and it cost him his aide. Really? What do you have a goal that early? It destroys whatever game plan watch no had put into place. It's, it's really hard just to, to, to come back from that. I just really disrupt everything. So it's a little bit unfair to us as viewers to, to have what could have been really tactically engaging match where the teams felt each other out really be turned on a pen and instead where we've got like you said, liberal pool not having maybe only eighty percent and Tottenham having to be in a position where they. They worked better on the break and suddenly day, there's no opportunity for them to break because they had possession. There wasn't a lot of attacking impetus from Liverpool late. You know, Tottenham had possession from sixty five seventy percent of possession, but it was not good, especially with all in their own half and negative negative patterns from socal and you know, they couldn't connect, midfielder forward. I know I'm kinda ranting. I'm all over the place but I think just sum it up. What I'm saying. I the same sentiment that you do where just disappointed in how it developed because of that early penalty William curious your thoughts, because as far as I could tell the game plan for Tottenham was, let's practice passing the ball around in the box, but in our own box. So in the event that we get the ball in their box, we'll be prepared. What was your take on Tottenham in Liverpool? No. I don't think that don't play that badly. I mean they they play horribly in the last twenty yards. But the way they actually moved the ball the way they pass the ball. You know, the really cut Buttle up labor pool for most of the game. The there were sewing effective in the front that it made all the possession read was talking about useless. But I thought it were really playing very well. And they brought the game to Liverpool immediately after they were score on. And I, I wasn't as appointed in them defending and bring the ball from the bag. I just think there were so horrible front, and they rusty Caine had played for a month. Both teams play for three weeks. I don't understand why they waited social long to bring this final on. I think both teams suffered from it. It just would have been much more exciting. Tottenham been a little bit more effective in front. And there were really not just a comment on the penalty. You know, I think he Socha was turning around and he raised his hand. It seemed to me to point to then he rose only hind him, you know, to actually cover Saleh and sent to you have to give it to, to Manet, McHugh really saw that hand. I mean, it's the big guy that arm sticks out there for, you know, maybe five good feet and he's shown to directly to his arm. It was really thought. Very smart head sub game. I mean, the play from an he really didn't really passable. He shot as Sohka's hand. He was only been looking at the bulk of looking behind him to again directed defensive play. So so good for my name. And I'm sorry that the game started that way. I think everyone everyone except for labor pool fans were deflated by start of that of that nature. It's hard to recovers hard to really have any tension into game when that happens in the first minute. Yeah, I agree with you, and I, especially agree with you about money, though, because he did totally agree with you. So coz pointing his arm to direct his other defenders, but you're in the box, and you're leaving. I mean it's just like it seems that you need to be aware of not to do that in that moment. But I agree with you that Monay. It's it does feel like he's like, hey, here's an opportunity at a penalty. And it's such a split second almost intuitive move of seeing seeing that opportunity and taking it getting that penalty, which is really I mean money this season. I've been just so impressed by him. He such an electric player. But as you said, I mean, they're Tottenham had a few glimpses. I feel like but I feel like I can count them, not just on one hand, but on maybe just two fingers of opportunities where you said, Tottenham really looks like they're executing a game plan of build up play where they were really passing the ball, will quick, little diagonal passes, and they ultimately fizzled out, but yeah, I mean, it was really Bill. We're mainly only in the second half itself. That's true too. And frankly, I mean, you, you mentioned Kane I think Cain is to important to Tottenham and two good player, even though he's he was probably a little rusty or just a little out of groove with his teammates. But I would have liked to maybe see deli play a little bit further back, and I just don't understand after everything, Lucas has done in the semifinals, how he isn't starting on one of the wings, try and explain. We know that Trent Alexander Arnold push up pushes up. We know that Robertson pushes up there's gonna be space and Lucas is the player best equipped to explain space so to not have him, come on until over the after the sixtieth minute. It was just like that feels like a missed opportunity, and I get that, you know, it throws it all into wack because of that, as you said, it was the worst possible thing to have that penalty right at the start of the game unless you're a Liverpool fan because it just totally sucked. The life out of the game and could have sparked a game. I guess into into overdrive with Tottenham were just then pushing and Liverpool or pushing, but it just didn't manifest itself that way, review think starting Cain was a mistake. I don't think starting in was great. I agree with you that, that not starting to lose, this was one of the things that they really lacked. Number lacked was pace they want, they need to push the, the Liverpool defenders, and that just didn't happen. Virgil virgile, matching smothered the center of the park Cain was. You know just totally taken out of the out of the game. So required Tottenham to like I said before it gets them. Attack mountain attacking pressure on the break. Breed up the wings and they just. It didn't happen. They needed a player like. Lucas in there, especially when Ericsson just wasn't doing anything. There wasn't that create the creativity that graves, spark in the midfield. They're looked at the disconnect between the build up play and the forwards. And if you're creative fulcrum is not gonna bring it, then you need to rely more on just athletic physical, prowess and a player like Lucas can do that. And he also has a little bit creativity. I'm not saying he not saying doesn't, you know, I disappointed there on in, in that respect. Now to e you know, we're talking a lot about Tottenham how they played. I mean to Liverpool's credit, I think not that they played particularly well today but I was super impressed in the second half when Tottenham game too little bit of speed in just, you know you hold that one lead for a long time Tottenham or ineffective for such a long time that I think it would be easy to have switched off in this game. I was super impressed one by. Van Dyke on running down. I think it was sown. No, or was it Lucas at that point? Now, I don't remember but he had, it was son such a great run down to the ball. I mean stride for stride doesn't switch off her second and Allison with a few clutch saves not least of which that save against Ericsson's free kick, but as well against Moore who's wasn't a great shop. There are few opportunities but not losing your focus as that game goes on that Liverpool really deserve credit for Willie. What did you think about how Liverpool play today outside of how Tottenham were? Virgil. He's an incredible guy. I mean, the truth is that every time I see him play has such a commanding presence is really. I think the best central defender in the world right now. He he's a real presence to, to reckon with, and then Allison is just a an agreeable. A calming influence thing. So the back is extremely solid. You know what I found interesting and may be one of the telling frictions for next season was how Monday was getting frustrated with Saleh couple of moments where he thought Sela was hugging the ball could have pass it to him. And I saw really for the first time a frustration. Bad seemed to show, you know, fragility this team team where great grade. You know, we're all together here, it seemed to fracture a little, but they're great team, you know. Good. You're right. The sustained a pressure very well. They absorbed. The pressure very well in the counter attack the seem to be dangerous. You know, humble sewing effective in the front and I don't know if you'd was because there were a liberal was defending so, well, I like the two of you would have liked to see Lucas Mora instead of Lee in the front. You know, I would have liked to see Lucas Kane and song, I think would would have been a more problematic tree som for labor pool to control. But Unilever pulled play a very very solid game. They didn't panic. There were extremely composed, and the absorb everything you know as little as it was. They absorb what him through their way with with tremendous amount of. Level hill. Knows very cool. I've played a very professional uninspiring on exciting. But ver- professional. I guess it's just yeah. I mean we've had so much God the games have been so good this whole Champions League run. And then this final was a little bit of a Downer. But obviously Liverpool fan now diva Korea. I mean this guy, you know in January last summer. I mean, the talk has been all about this guy, leaving the team. I mean you can't get rid of him now. Can you? Can't actually, I agree. I think that once you win a champion bleed the kind of signifies like an end of the cycle, they're going to be great squad and great players. But it's the perfect time to jettison players that you don't necessarily want. It's like, well, thanks for your service. We won the Champions League now. You know, your values probably never going to be higher. What's, what's move you on? And we'll bring in some players, who we think might be better suited, or might be some fresh blood just something to my things up. You know, whatever excuse you wanna use. So they probably get a the probably get more money for him now than ever be able to in the future. Disagree with you there. You know, I just think that I mean can they get someone better most likely they certainly have the money, but, you know, this guy is like a good luck charm. I mean this guy appears less than minutes of a game and somehow make it's happen. Right. I mean it's it. It's amazing. I mean he's core. The the fourth goal for against Barcelona. You know, he we're talking a little bit before the program started. He's gordon. Unbelievable goal against Everton that gave three points rather than one to Liber pool in the Premier League. He has had this flashes. He doesn't play much, but, you know, he seems to be a lucky guy for labor pool. And you want those guys, you know, when everything seems to be going wrong, or nothing. Seems to be going right to bring someone like him, I think adds energy. In adds a certain amount of optimism to the team. So, you know, I don't think they might actually want someone else they are. But I think we're gonna keep him just as luggage arm. Definition of, of a squad player. Well, I'm gonna tell you one thing, and this matters a lot than soccer because really good care. He doesn't. That's true. You can't argue with that you can't argue that here of the hair of about teen. It's amazing Virgil had good care Saleh's. Good hair Manet, has good hair, and I think, you know. Has the best care of all your lights. We've been to session statement that guy wouldn't get rid of him. We've been giving we've been giving hair awards since our will World Cup rendition of the podcast. So if there's one group of people with understood the importance of good hair on the soccer field. It's the stoppage-time podcast on the flip side. I mean. Tottenham eek. You can't I mean this was their last lifeline. Obviously making it to the final something they weren't expecting. I mean it's kind of like this golden experience despite how it ended. Now you can't help it feel like well what was this season for Tottenham? I want you guys predictions right now before I don't think he's giving a press conference yet to make any big announcements is Tina staying with his team or is he going to move on? I, I would stay, you know, like the team. I mean, where's she going to go to be cap here as a new fantastic stadium? He is playing European soccer next year. You know, he is top for he has really to a very tough competitors over xlii next year report mentions their city. I think that for him is making the money. I don't I don't see where he could go and come more fun. They're not. I think it depends on whether or not. Review going to invest additional money to the team, if if he has to go into the next season with maybe one more player and or no changes in the squad. It's going to be tough for him. And I you know, I think when he sees a feeling and maybe the feeling is a champion league final, but I don't I don't think they're going to get back there again. They were lucky to get there this year. There are so many times in the in the during the run where we counted them out and thought they were dead and they managed to somehow make it back. I'm unless they're gonna put more money in the team. I don't think punching Tino stays. What are those? What are those go read? I mean. Yeah. You know is, is there a better team to go to PS? Jesus is out of, you know, the Jones renewed to show their see. Dan, is unveiled by dread. Now seems like salaries leaving Chelsea's to go to Juventus. Board said they were going to reevaluate Valverde, I think they're disappointed with how things turned out at the end of the season with the COPA loss and the Sarrasin leave finish the champion. So maybe that's I don't know. He just doesn't to me feel like Barcelona coach. The one that I find puzzling is frankly is Juventus. I'm not quite sure why they want sorry so badly. And to me, if you're Juventus, I would jump at the opportunity to sign Pocchettino. He looked so good in all black on the sidelines. He'll fit right in perfectly. I puch Tino to Juventus I think, for. We've seen Kinman white and black all black. But. Does to toured the white. He just you give him a white pocket square in his all black suit and you're fine. It's fine. He looks he'll look fantastic. And I think for him, you know he's this. He's this coach that everyone thinks is great. And his criticism is that he's never won any trophies go to vintage, where the trophies are almost assured you rack up a few domestic tr-, you know, cups and league titles. And you've got Cristiano Renaldo for at least one more season and I think that's your best opportunity to make to make a run into the back to the Champions League final. I mean, if I were him I don't know. I think I would as you say he's, he's already been kind of in the fight for so long and you look at what Klopp is doing with Liverpool and Guardiola's what they're doing with city. I don't know. Maybe it's the lack of competitive edge. But I mean you know, it's Juventus are fantastic team with fantastic players that opportunity. I don't know. It could be exciting for him. But it does obviously, it does seem like the winds are blowing saris direction, but I'm not quite sure why. You know, I dunno life being third making a ton of money you have a really nice stadium agree with read, though. I think that he's going to require. He I think he has some leverage. Now a couple of new players may be more. There is absolutely no doubt that the they need reinforcement than, you know, if you think of the Liverpool by law that loss last year against Real Madrid in Liverpool today. I mean, the, the reinforcement the club broads Lieber pool made a huge difference in, I think what you could do the same. You know, say, look, this is how far we went. We need better. I think. Levy will will actually for once I think, led the, you know, some of the money out of the purse, I mean he has no excuse. Now the the stadium built. So I'm hoping to see which tina's stay think he is a, a tremendous addition to the Premier League and tried to fight one more years. He what he can do with with the team. I think for for the sake of the Premier League would certainly be a benefit if he stayed. And as you say with some investment, and a little bit of rest and depth for this team Spurs could easily be a contender, and we'll see how far they make it but they do. There's no question they need investment. You know, so clear today how, you know, just devoid of creativity they were when pressed up against it and, you know, they need a little new energy. My question now for you willy since you were watching in the Netherlands, I assume what, what language was being spoken by the announcer, was, this was this Dutch TV, or what, what, what, what was the channel was dodge TV. All then let me tell you Willie cats. Real. You missed out because Reid Ryan can attest that Biard TV live. All they brought the fire in the fury today with two British announcers clearly they were like you know, Steve Nash isn't cutting it. Anymore to have a basketball player. In the in back in the studio, we need to old, British men to really convey, that sense of importance to the game. So we're going to bring out these two guys and they're gonna make soccer sound about as interesting as the PGA tour. And then let me tell you Willie if bad weren't worse, if it weren't worse, already one of these guys has the sniffles and for ninety minutes. He's just sniffling into his microphone. So I'm just listening to him breathe for ninety minutes and whatever direction, they're microphones are pointing in the studio. I can hear the French announcer, and the Spanish announcer, just as well as I can hear these two British guys. It was a disaster. I assume be our TV have the rights again for the Champions League next season. God help us all, but you guys need to get it together. I'm saying stoppage-time is available will come in and announce for you. And then we can. Announcers, I didn't understand single word, but I would clearly improve on them, you know, since you're talking about some ancillary themes here. Yes. I just want to hear your thoughts about how in the most important game of the year this year leasing soccer, you have, again, someone running onto the field. And this time, we think all agree was a good looking person from the onto the field, but can it be I mean, I cannot understand how with a calendar of this. Yeah. But this is so it's not like the first time and you know, this was a very good looking not particularly, you know, a weld clouded the women. But, you know, imagine this is a guy with a knife or. Or a guy with a one of those, you know, of flares. I mean you know you can really hurt one of this players. I mean it took this woman, wasn't particularly fast, right? And she actually was intercepted midfield sheet was on the field for fifteen twenty twenty five seconds before she was stop in to me, the fact that, that this an event of this magnitude Ganilau Vada breach of security is really upsetting. Really upsetting read any any thoughts on this, where where was the security out there in Kiev in Madrid. Excuse me. I don't know. It was. I think they were just they were undone by her her apparent good luck. And they just didn't really get it. They were I don't know. I hear the first of all when it first happened. I mean those curvaceous good looks Willie. I I thought it was read I was like, oh my God he is in Madrid after all he ran out to center field. But no way. What would I know that read is good looking, but I mean, come on. I mean. Yeah. Clean be Keating. Second of all, I want you do. Let me tell you do. I've got to follow ups one is, I think probably the stewards around the outside lines. I mean it's nervy game you know, you tackle her in the wrong way, and you've got a sexual harassment lawsuit against you and third of all I agree with you that I don't understand how you can't do a better job of enforcing this situation and is incredibly dangerous for the players, of course, in her situation, if she had a weapon, I think there would have been a lot of intrigue of where she was gonna pull it out from. But I agree. I don't know how you let that get to all the way to center field. Like I mean. Not like an Olympic level sprinter here, and that was a huge I mean, and she and she was running in from, like one is the goal and the stadium. So he's got like the long way to go. And she gets all the way there. I mean it is I'm telling you, you got a higher stewards who aren't soccer fans that way, they don't have any temptation to turn their heads watch the game. They're just eagle-eyed on the fans looking for those streakers ready to go. But yeah, it's it is kind of ridiculous that we are still with kind of dealing with these situations read any, any ancillary, things jump out. We really had to almost kind of turn to these level this level. This tier of inner taint -ment to really keep things. Interesting today. What about you? Did you find anything fascinating to watch on the sidelines? You know, it was just seeing all the. Nothing a single real neutral look like all the fans in the in the in the stadium were either little with Tottenham panned, which to me seem like a good atmosphere there, which is great you, you like to see that especially compared to the league vital which with a disgrace. So, you know, at least it was entertaining match for all the, the real supporters and all the people who were enthusiastic for both Tottenham and Liverpool. And you know special moments all the players, of course. But this, this isn't gonna go down as a as a legendary final by any means. But I enjoyed watching it nonetheless, just because I knew I get to talk about it with you. Thank you read. We'll you're you're foreign correspondent today. I'm curious I'm a little. It's a it's just a theory. I have no way to prove it at this point. But, you know, I, I can't help it feel that perhaps obviously. You know, read talking about no neutrals in the stands. I'm sure Liverpool in Spurs fans travelled in droves. I mean you see you saw the Liverpool fans before the game. And then God help Madrid afterwards. But. I wonder I think this final was like heavily anticipated obviously in England, and I think you're in the United States because we get such good Premier League coverage now with NBC having the rights, but do you think having a all English final kind of hurt the intrigue and the interest in this game in not outside of England in the United States? I mean, I know you said that you were had a lot of Liverpool fans around you in, in the Netherlands, but where there are a lot of Dutch fans watching. I mean I just I wonder if fans in Germany and Spain, and Italy, and let alone other countries around the world. Did they care quite as much as if it's Real Madrid against Liverpool or something like that? I'm sure it really interests. I mean, we were actually surrounded by English people or at least English speaking people, you know there were very few dodgers. You said I definitely think but decreases the, the attractiveness of of the game. And particularly, I think, but the certainly outside of England live. There's a lot of them supporters. You know, I think there's a bunch of reporters around the world, but not so much for them. So, you know, I think the interest the in Europe and globally thing was much lower than could have been a X or a, you know, our salon against Manchester City, you know, a multi national or condole national game. It's, it's, it's still bad. You know that there is no way to avoid this from happening. But I think we. We'll talk about this earlier, you know, it has happened several times already Madrid Real Madrid was an awful game. I mean very, very tense all the way to the end. But also, not a particularly great final. You know, when, when doored Muth and Byron played same thing wasn't really very exciting game. You know, these are teams that know each other that have played it at least a couple of times against each other before I think the drama is much less when. When two teams from the same country play against each other. I am the. I think he throughout today's game that this felt like you know, the third Saturday in February or, you know, November where you're just like, okay, you know, it's important because it's Liverpool in Tottenham, but it's not a it's nothing special. I'm going to tell you I wanna hear what we said about this. But the Tottenham you know, to me was not one of the stories of the season and they actually deserve totally and completely to be there because they beat Manchester City and they beat a Yixin. They really didn't in the wonderful way. But you know, they didn't really have a great season. It wasn't a team that I think after a little much nation. The did you know with the two of fine at the quarterfinal semi-final games. But otherwise, you know, I don't think a lot of people followed them, so it would have been, I think, much more interesting to see other other other teams in the final, I was rooting for them. Again, unites Holly were big underdogs that had, you know, they were punching way above their weight here I wish they had one but, you know the interests of the game was, I think much lower than it should have been. Read would would determine to make their biggest mistake by not wearing the turquoise jerseys. Horrible. But they do active good, camouflage cameras laws. So, yeah, probably would have been a smart to wear them. Yeah. Really? I always thought the only reason I knew Thomas. They were everything they did was so, Spurs -i, and they were kind of a running joke, but they were also the, the, the, the team that supported the Jewish population in Europe or in, in England. So that was like, what they had going for them, but not I think you're right in the sort of like a regional club. They, they have they don't have the prestige, that Liverpool or the Manchester United or Manchester United matches the let's have. What we would recognize a team what, what which one are United? Willie. He'll big boy. Willie I will to right now. You'll never be saying other word on this show. You watch yourself. Not careful. They're gonna be playing championship soccer next year. Truth. Go silent both of you understand. Through this island's. Yeah. You know, it was it did have that, you know, didn't have I asked Barcelona. The the two teams from different leagues playing to history plane Tottenham had a great story, but sort of Liverpool and Liverpool is just more icon ick team here. So it just felt like one the big English team beating up on it on its little brother. You know, you said something earlier, I wanted just to comment on the, the sometimes winning the Champions, League is, is the closing of a cycle. But you know, to me, this is the second final Liverpool. Makes I could see them deep run a next year. You know, a Real Madrid that what? Ford times in five years. I mean, I think, you know, Lieber pool is on, on on, on the run here the Champions League. But that I don't see them stopping all that. All that easily. I think they have been the start the Champions League while the the star the Premier League and the Champions League. I think is one of the few tub three or four favorites to win it all again. I think I mean I didn't see anything in labor pool. The told me that the in there, that's the end, you know, this is not what happened is here with Real Madrid. Coupled team was already you know, packing their bags and this is a team, I think, but is gonna come by hungry. There's been a really a contender next year again on oil hope the gonna do well, but know who knows? But labor pool will be there looking offense labor pool will be there next year. They'll be by Bill be just as strong as they are. This year. Maybe with a better attitude. They'll be very serious contenders for sure. I agree. I agree. Yeah. I would think the only I think they're potentially even gonna be better next season. This will you know had them flying high. The only question Mark, and it's, it's one that, you know, you have to read very in between the lines and it's it's fuzzy. But really, it's your question is, is there any kind of resentments or bad blood between this trio of attackers money for me? No in Sala. You know, there were there's little moments where you kind of sense, a little disgruntlement or feeling that, you know, maybe one is being slighted over the other. And I would think that, you know, if if that's not the case, then get out of their way because they're going to be dominant, but any internal strife is, what seems like the most likely thing to stop them because they are super talented team of. Young players who are only gonna keep getting better. Read any closing thoughts on the Champions, League two thousand eighteen nineteen. You know, I thought this, this whole this whole champion really lived up to billing besides the little bit of, of dull final. It was just totally captivating. And, you know, I'm just excited to see what happens next year already geared up willy, how you feeling you know, we're about this. But I think summarizing the last month of a month and a half of Champions League, soccer is really a it was an amazing quarterfinal series. It was amazing semi-final series. You know, think of a XM run against Real, Madrid against your bentos. You know, the game of mine sister CDN thought series thugging ejects Barscelona lever, pool Sears. I mean we were really treated to some amazing soccer in any feels anti climatic, you know, I think this final importantly were ending with a little bit of, you know, hump hump taste. But if we think what happened, you know starting with quarterfinals what on them believable series of games. I think four or five of the best games the less twenty years for sure we're really packed into, you know, if four week period. We were really, really spoiled, it was a real treat, we can only hope for, you know, for the same from the year. I agree. I mean when you think back to even the group stage. I mean you know, just thinking about Tottenham getting through on that last day. There was so much excitement. Even in the group stage, let alone in the knockout rounds. I'm pretty sure the whole tournament ended. When Manchester United beat PS. Gee, I mean it was of the greatest finale. Two Champions League ever and nothing happened since then. And that's just kind of high, we've all been writing on right, guys. That's the final in my book, guys. But no, this was Willie. As you said, we've had some of the great European soccer games of all time in just in just this Champions League alone. So even a slightly. Lackluster final doesn't take the luster off what has been an excellent Champions League. So excellent it, you know, you can't even repeat it here on stoppage-time. And that's why we're going to start moving to our new format this next week read. We'll be talking in just a matter of days. I episode of the kind of the new format of stoppage-time Willie. We'll have you back on, once you're back in the United States and just a couple of weeks. So I'm excited for that listeners out there. You don't have to do a thing it'll steep the show will keep coming at you on your podcast feed. It will it will just lose the Champions League as part of the title of the show. But you don't have to do a single thing, the show will continue right on. Through to you this upcoming week as always, you can tweet at me at max Baril pods. If you have thoughts on the new show, and the biggest thing you can do to help us is leave us a five star review on apple podcasts that would help the show. Find new listeners and kind of let us know how you feel about the, the new version of the show, but we're gonna get to that next week. 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Caught Offside: Champions League Final RECAP

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Caught Offside: Champions League Final RECAP

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We had less than a week to really promote that we were even doing that. Yeah. So the fact that has many of you turned up as, as what was there was, it was shocking, and it was so cool. And I hope I got to speak to everyone who was there. But if I didn't I apologize and thank you for coming. Yeah. There was some people I didn't get a chance to properly have a drink with an thank them so much for listening and turning off. But it was incredible. I like me mcgirt friend likes me. And now I know other people like me. No. They were great. Absolutely great. And some of the words that were said about the podcast were way over the top, and inaccurate was actually blown away. Some of it was crazy one that really nice people. Yeah. And if that's if the Andrew, if that's just a f- flavor of the listenership that we have we're doing okay. And I will say to before geez. I can't speak just plea. Everyone just bear with me. This. Before we before the podcast before we made the decision that we were going to do it. There was part of me that a was a little bit worried about watching a game of that next to with you. But then there was also part of me that was like, well what about everyone there? If half the bars Tottenham and half the bars Liverpool. I hope it's going to be okay. Like I know you know, we're, we're all normal people, sometimes it only takes one that isn't a normal person. Caused things to go wrong. Because usually you and I gotta say that everyone. There was so cool. They were everyone was like, the, the fan base is co mingling was great, and I don't know it's just all other than the game itself, which was even for Liverpool fan who won. I think would look at that game and save wasn't a great games a bad game of football so take that aside the day itself was so fun. So hopefully we'll be able to maybe this was kind of a test case of like, okay. Can we do this and have people actually show up? And I think the answer was a resounding. Yes. So hopefully, we'll, we'll be able to really do more of these now and properly do them with real promotion with real promotion. And maybe some swag thrown in, but obviously, you're tuned into this right now. Not to hear us talk about the event yesterday but to hear us talk about the game and how it went, we'll get all aspects of it will break down every element of it. And the end of the podcast. I think you know, we're still in the moment of the game itself. But it is time to now kind of start looking forward for these two teams and what the future will hold for them, which is probably a little bit more of an interesting place for Spurs than for Liverpool. But we'll get to that a little bit later on in the podcast. Let's start, though, JJ with, we'll go chronologically. And what makes most sense was what the whole world was waiting to see an hour before the match started? What would Tottenham team sheet? Look like will hurricanes name be on it, it was and let's talk about the impact that that had on the game for me. You know, I was I was abundantly clear on our preview show that it's not what I would have done. Am I going to sit here and say, it's the reason Tottenham loss? No, no. I certainly don't think it is. Did Cain play. Well, no, I certainly don't think that he did. Now, some of that will never know if it was fitness, or if it was dyke, or maybe it's both. Is it? Fair to ask a guy that that is coming off an injury that hasn't played in that amount of time to now go out there and be expected to play up to his level against the best player in the Premier League. Maybe none of it mattered. That's the other point I'm coming to know there's, well, we could have had Lucas more on from the start, but things were so disjointed across the field. You had Spurs players trippy Stein's out just kicking the ball away, giving the ball away in, in crazy scenarios. The passing wasn't crisp the movement wasn't Chris. There were two occasions. I think when Spurs got him behind with human sawn in, in both scenarios, but really that was it for the first half even though Spurs dominated possession. So put Lucas more in there gives you a different kind of movement is definitely fitter than can. But I'm not sure it would have made that much of a difference. I've come to the place where he plays are he doesn't similarly with Roberto for me. No. I'm not sure either of those cases make any difference with the way the game Pondo hurricane in this game had twenty six touches that was the fewest of any player on either team who played ninety minutes Kate had just eleven touches in the first half. If you're Virgil Van Dyken you see a half it Harry Kane coming onto the field. You're feeling. Okay about that about that macho whereas if maybe if you have again, to wasn't good enough patterns of play for me to say that Lucas, more would have benefited, but maybe Lucas more gives him on gives that back line in general because he's not going to say essential, he's going to go wide, he's going to drift. He's going to get in behind the full says. Well, maybe that makes there's no way of there's no way, we'll never know. Look, Lucas more does bring something that's different than what hurricane branch or not saying that he's a better player than Harry Kane, I think hurricane is a top three striker in the world, but they're different players, and for the way that Spurs played in this game you know, a little bit more long ball passing. That was interesting. We mean you talked about that at halftime. We did not see that coming. I got it completely wrong. I think maybe the conditions the heat had something to do with it. But there was not the pressing the high press from Liverpool that we expected, they dropped off a bit on Spurs looked to kind of go over the top, and equally Liverpool looked to go over the top. How many day I can balls. Do we say on Tallinn's a lot of them poorly? His a lot of them though. Not pretty hit pretty decent. Some of them pretty decent. But what would come after? That was I know not good. Don't we was so disjointed? I've never seen the ball. Go to play so many times, look finals are often maybe even generally bad. That is true. I thought that was a trend that was changing. Yes. I thought I thought that to the World Cup final was way more open with France and Croatia. Yeah. I guess the European championship going back to France and Portugal. You know that was that was rough. But that was by design with Portugal, and who knows what kind of plans changed once Rinaldo got hurt in that game. But we've seen some FA Cup finals that have you know League Cup finals. I feel like that have been interesting. Yeah. But there was a general I told you yesterday the vomit juicing. First European Cup final that I watched Marseille and red star grid cook God nightmares before we move off of Cain. Here's Craig Burley on ESPN FC talking after the game he was pretty strong with how he felt about it. Now. Harder cane. Kane didn't do anything wrong. But he didn't do much right? It clearly wasn't fair and the five to inject a piece into the game, it pays that Liverpool have in this occasion. Lookers Mora the heart trekked here of his semifinals branch. I actually think that was weak and knows had lost credits aged that was weak management from Portugal. He, he got hung onto the hirees Hari styles brigade. The only reason I can't fully disagree with what he's saying. Because look hindsight, is what it is. We all watched what happened out there in Harry Caine was totally ineffective so, okay. Like he's right. But I just have to feel like in all the training leading up to the game. Like I love Craig, he's one of our favorite guys, they have on the show, but he like he wasn't there to see what Kane looked like in training, Pocchettino. So for him to just say puch Tino got caught up in the if he's fit he plays. We'll positives been watching him in training for the last, however many weeks, he like I don't, I don't know if that's totally fair indictment to put on pockets where he got swept up in the media. Attention. We are we going to level, the San occasion that Jurgen Klopp who played Roberta for me? No won't manage your soul. These guys and decided that they were fit enough. The problem is for me. There was three weeks of just training. They didn't have any games there was nowhere to test anything, and so. So you're just going in with what you've seen in five sites. Six ascites seven two. Whatever they do in, in, in training situations, which is never never a good are accurate barometer for match-fitness. So then the game started and I said on the podcast, the other day, and I had no idea quite how prophetic the words would be the Mike Tyson, quote. Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Who would have ever thought that, that punch would occur within the first forty seconds of the match whatever plan Tottenham head or Liverpool had a handball in the box, forty seconds in goal for Liverpool all the sudden in the second minute, they're up one nil. Like those plans were now like crumple up in a ball and throw them out in the trash like everything changes in that moment. Two minutes into the game now we know Liverpool like fast starts, but, but that was ridiculous. And I mean, everything went downhill after that, really that was the most frenetic energetic moment of the game. Probably outside of the last few minutes. Didn't you think after it happened? So obviously, I couldn't have been more despondent in that moment. Right. But like if you were a neutral watching, you might have been like, okay. Forty seconds in chaos second minute goal. We are in for what is going to be a wild ninety minutes of updates going to open up. It's going to be a class like oftentimes that early goal is just like okay. Here comes chaos. Lay, you know. Totten. We're gonna push forward. They have to score now. We can't get ill nil. Get into extra-time goals need to happen. And it just it just wasn't now before we get to the rest of it. Let's talk about the handball decision it self because it was clearly it's the most controversial moment of the of the game. And one of the more controversial moments of the entire Champions League season. I think you would have to say. I hated it. I hated that. It was called, but I saw its we. So Stu holding tweeted out. He just basically put it out there. Correct decision or not like he didn't really give his thought on it on Twitter. He just said, he put it out there for everyone to respond and Brian ching, former Houston dynamo. Striker US men's national team striker. He said this, which I which resonated with me. He said, I say it's a tough one. Yes. Penalty by letter of the law, but I wouldn't have given it big game. No real advantage taken away came up the players chest first unintentional don't like to see a big game decided on a play that would not have even resulted in a shot. So like everything he's saying his sentiment. I think like the bomber that it was to kind of have that moment, loom over the entire match afterwards. Like I felt that way too. And I, I bet a lot of neutral fans did too. But like, I don't know the we know how handballs are being called now. So. Soak goes arm is clearly in an unnatural position. I know it hits off his chest. But his point he's, he's jockeying and trying to guide the defense beside him. It was such a freak thing came up rebounded off, and I hit, his aunt, no Jackie Audley time fairly tweeted this and like I said to you honestly, not a penalty for me. I wouldn't if I'm the referee there, I'm not giving it it's it's it's too early. It's but is that a reason though? That's what I'm saying like it's too early is not really a reason. I know it's not put I felt like it hate him. He could do nothing about it. It flicks at his arm. I thought he was I thought he was super close to him as well. That, that matters for the things that we've always been led to believe matter. Don't really matter anymore intent doesn't matter any, right? You know, spacing as we learned when with Danny roses Hamble called against Manchester City doesn't matter anymore. This is what Jacqui Oatley tweeted out straight after you UF is head of refereeing. Roberto resent he in January twenty nine thousand nine. Regarding to Champions, League knockouts digits. So we're being very specific air clarifying handball when the arm is totally out of the body above the shoulder. It should be penalized. If the defender is making the body bigger in order to block the block the ball, it is not fair. Reside. He continued it is different if the defender is challenging or playing the ball and it rebounds, but if he is looking to block across or a shot on goal on the players trying to spread his body than it is a Humboldt. Now. Are you read that back and said, okay, well, then under that guideline, it is a handball it is a penalty. See, but I hear that I hear that. And I think it's not because what what's the line in there again, you still have it up if the defender is trying to make himself bigger to defend or blog a ball if wasn't no he was. He had his arm out because he knew across was coming for Mani, and he's pointing to L Durant. I think to get to the back post like he's not his intent. There is not to defend. He's. Communicating with a teammate now, I guess, that's using all version of semantics is the arm out. Like, does that matter if it's to communicate or to defend it is different if the defenders challenging or playing the ball and it rebounds. I mean, does that does rebounding off himself onto himself count, Holtom Italy, I think I'll just have to settle on the called it. And I guess I understand it if they didn't call it. I would have also understood it, I think it's just one of those and as a Tottenham fan I just happened to fall on the wrong side of it. It's just it's just frustrating because like what branching said it's, it's frustrating to have this moment, change a Champions League final when it would nothing was gonna come from this like mono-. It almost looked like Monty was trying to induce a handball. Can I say something to you, as well? Think of the domination of Spurs possession after this think of the whispers ease their way back into the game actually Spurs were okay for the next twenty five minutes in the context of this author be utterly. So par performance from both teams. Spurs did. Well, okay. Yeah. They had eighty eight minutes. Idiot minutes to score a goal. They really didn't come close. They were they were impotent -ympia and the thing, too, is with this early goal that Tottenham gave up. This is kind of who they were throughout the Champions League. Look at the stat from talking t- HFC on Twitter. He says Tottenham Hotspur now conceded eight goals in the opening fifteen minutes of Champions League games this season. This was a constant problem for them which time and time again, they managed to survive, but it just felt like they were always in this uphill battle the fact that they were able to, to make it work for them against Manchester City in the second leg. They were able to come back, but Liverpool or was was just a different animal today Liverpool's defending his is that much better maybe than some of the other teams that they faced. The report were so disciplined in the way they defended. And like it was just too big of a hill for Spurs to climb. The biggest thing you can save over whose performance on how it affected. Spurs. Was there doggedness? I mean they weren't playing well but they still did the right things they defended. Well, the goalkeeper mid saves when they needed to it was a disjointed performance it, it wasn't trash metal. It wasn't black but it wasn't heavy metal. It wasn't even, you know, just feel like. There is so many possessions, it felt like where okay Tottenham do what they do. They're going to play it out from the back. Liverpool press them, a little bit caused them to maybe half the panic a little and wind up playing at long anyway. And then you had this, like, pinball Ling in the mid field header header. Somebody gets it knocked out of bounds. It was just like the there was just no flow whatsoever. And then even in the moments where it looked like Tottenham might be able to threaten like there was one plane particular deli. Allie gets the ball on the left side in the first half and like son is streaking down the middle and alleys ball into son is just terrible, and it goes harmlessly over the line for a goal kick. Like there was just a lot of those moments. Now, one thing that I said to you before we started recording I went back and rewatch the extended highlights and like it is funny. How in a game that I know was a bad game. It just was. But it like when you watch the highlights again, you can almost trick yourself into thinking, actually there was more stuff that happened than I than I really remember, transplant exander iron of flashes won't pass the post Andy Robertson, drives forward, enforces, a save for new lorries when in actual fact, it was ball's bouncing in the midfield. Henderson nods on gets it to for me. No, for me. No miss controls Burs have it back. It goes to the full back position ship as shanks it out a play. Throw a ball bounces in the air. It was terrible. It was tough. It was really hard watch. And I gotta say the, the rhythms and the flows of football. So when please just take this for, for me trying to reach into into the arena of professional sports, but. We were kids at school, and we go on break for summer holidays. We used to play. So think about it. We played every day in the yard. We played soccer sound so old. We played every day in the yard but we did we kick the ball around all the time. And in the summer, we actually played less football because we weren't all together and we lived in rural Ireland I had to, like, mix seven phone calls to arrange game, the torch light. Begins. Oh JJ wants to play. He wants to play. He's making the signal or is that the signal that the British coming, just don't know. So I come back from school in September on what was hilarious to me, my legs were jelly. I couldn't trap the ball. I couldn't control it might pass as we're going behind people like when you when you have such layoff from the, like that the sheriff twitch muscle fibers everything that you do the fast, which most of everything seems to just kind of coagulate and it goes wrong. And that's what that was yesterday that was JJ and the ad in September not being able to make a ten yard pass. So you put this down to three week lay-off, I definitely do, I it's a mixture things for me. Right. First of all you're playing in a stadium. You, you probably none of those bears played them before. All right, whatever. Right. You're playing in thirty degrees. There's all this pressure. It's not a two legged ceus celsius. Sorry. This is it right? Everything's on the line at there's been a long, long build-up. Like there's being you don't have up like this for even Champions League semifinals. It's much are much more compacted, so that clean of weighs on you. It's on your shoulders. It's, it's building, then you've all you've had training games. You've been in my bay in the sun. You've been wherever you've been. It's, it's just so different. And then there's imagine dragons beforehand, and you're wading through that. There's just this waiting on it all bills, the tension bills. It comes down from the stands. We heard the commentators say Liverpool fans have been surprisingly quiet in the second half. The songs haven't been flowing even the fans in the stand were disrupted yet, all you rhythms are gone. And you get that. Yeah. See, I wonder you're right. I'm sure there's some of it now, typically, I would think a long lay-off is helpful because anybody not just for the canes. From you knows. But for the guys who are trying to fight through injury. Like so it gives them a chance and you want for game of that magnitude you want as many top level players out there, healthiest possible. I get sad. But think about this. Henderson gets absolutely brutalized in the first half his Legos normally gets a dead leg against Barcelona the first half of the second against Barcelona, but it's a Drennan Lynn. It's, it's, it's everything and you get open, you get on with it. All that's broken by three. Here's the couple of things that I would put it down to. I think it's a combination of several things some of what you just said. I'm sure is true. Some of it that goal happening for Liverpool early on changes. How the game is going to be played. I think Tottenham do well on the counter attack. And I think Liverpool once they had that lead where they were just not going to allow that to happen. They dropped off. Yeah. So, you know, maybe that has somewhat of affect and the other thing, too, which kind of gets forgotten because of how Tottenham wound up getting to the final with the thrilling comeback against I XE with the. Comeback against Manchester City but let's actually think about Tottenham in the in the latter portion of the season. You know, one nil loss to Manchester City, a one nil loss to West Ham, a one nil win against Brighton at home that took a last gasp goal from Ericsson one nil loss of born with Tottenham even I asked the first leg one, no loss second-leg didn't score until finally it was like guys this is in score goals now and they finally did. But, like Tottenham over the last couple of months of the season in terms of their attack. They weren't that good. So, you know, we can put it down to, like, canes fitness, and this, and that and the settings and not being in the right stadium. But some of it is just like, you know, I hate to give Graeme soon his comments any credence because I think there are largely nonsense, but like some of it is true in that this team did lose nineteen. Now twenty games this season. Like they, they were a flawed team who struggled to attack and score goals late in the year. So part of it is. Like that version of Spurs, crept up, I think there was hope from Tottenham faithful that when push came to shove late in the game when Kain son your rent a and Lucas more are all on. I think there was this hope that, okay? Well, they got a score now like how can you have those four guys out there and not even get chances? But Liverpool's defense is just that good. And like I think that's just kind of it aren't there, not another in a final, but they're not great put look look at the Liverpool team in two thousand and five that we talked about just not good loose a Crystal Palace. That's hers power ninety Johnson penalty. And then you're going out and beaten Adventists in Sharon. You know, it's our brother and onfield. It cop football's different. It's weird on Tottenham road there. Look road that absolute. Just amazing Rhone of belief and they got it all the way to the final, and it just didn't happen for them on the day. It's couldn't get it going. And I mean some of the moments too, like it's not just about them. It's like I said, Liverpool are really good son finally, in some space in the first half one on one Alexander Arnold, just pokes away, brilliant defending how Van Dyke similarly. I mean he just he owned cane. He just did that he's he's tremendous player the season man of the match and a Champions League. Final like kind of central defender. Is it even possible for a central defender to have a better season than what he just had? No. It is isn't any any. He's such a Rolls, Royce. The guy doesn't sway. He just glides across the tar fits. It's unbelievable. And also, we talked about it in the second half and, and there were a few more openings for Liverpool because potch pushed his chips to the middle of the table. He took off winks basically Erickson started drop in deeper. He's not going to do that kind of defensive work. There was a hole there because because he had. It so much to attack on, I think what would be disappointing like Liverpool created a milliner dominion chance which was probably outside of Morris chance better than any chance bars out. That's the disappointing thing that when, when they did split everything on black it, they didn't create enough. They didn't give you enough. And I, I really think. That moment Lucas more Haas to score. There has to score there and look his it's a little tough because that whole sequence was really the only sequence were Tottenham threaten the son shot. It started with sons shot from about twenty two yards out, which Becker Allison did a nice job burying away. But Tottenham regathered was a Danny rose. I think who got it and then played it right into Lucas Mora. Who you're right. I mean you can say he's got a score there, but he's fading away kind of as he kicks it. So his momentum. He's not able to put momentum into it. He maybe he takes it a little quicker than he needed to right. So if you want to criticize him for that I guess, maybe that would be the one thing. But, you know, that was in the eightieth minute. And it just I know they had, Danny rose fouled right? On the edge of the box in the eighty fifth minute dining, Rosetta gamely, tone. Yeah. I thought so too Erickson, then on the ensuing free kick good safe by Alison. He somebody who also should be mentioned here Liverpool were in this game a year ago. Why did they lose a couple of reasons? You know rail. Madrid are good. Obviously most solid got hurt, but also Laura's curious was a complete and utter train wreck. Yes. So what did Liverpool do they were, you know, backed by f s g John Henry. They put a ton of money into a position that doesn't always require ton of money, but they said, we can't have those mistakes, come back to bite us in a similar situation and Allison was great. He was great wall sees law. And specifically yesterday on and I was just so confident, I think it's a, it's a standard save for a top-class keeper from the Ericsson free kick. But I'm telling you, I am not convinced that either Manila are carriers. Get to that and do it. I get it away. That was an accident where he turned around the round the post the free-kick he's an accident keeper. And it was an area of knee Liverpool couldn't go on penny pinching in that position like they paid very little for carriers. Minneola, obviously was legacy. He hold over from from Brennan Rogers. You're right. I mean you can it's a great story for Liverpool to do what they've done. But they have invested in getting to this point, western like, like it's very easy. It's amazing. The bit of business. That Katina was, you know, you get inversion Van Dyke, and a goalkeeper for them for that outlet that when you think about that. And think about what Barcelona fence. Think of Cotino right now, wait to get rid of them. Absolutely incredible. Yeah. It was. It was just you looked at me. I think toward the end prior to the original goal. And you just kind of had this emptiness in your eyes as if we could be here till next Tuesday, We're not gonna care vote enough chances to, to win even at one note. Now, I will say this, the relief I had when orig buried that one right into that bottom coroner was was really positive. I felt great about it because I did not want people going in to the police match talking about a humble yet that would that would have been the entire it was already maybe the story of the game, but that would have been light and it wouldn't have been. Yeah. I would, I would not have enjoyed it because I would have used it for the rest of time. Oh, well, yeah. You got you got another typical BS Liverpool. Call going in your favor and you want to champion. Look the way the way I see it is. Yeah. That, that's how I felt. That's how that's always still feel. And it, it kind of I still say they'll shoot eighty eight minutes and all the bowl, the Aridi goal, I want to ask you a question about it, because as I have said, I have a p brain that can't comprehend. The sports sometimes, and I need a European brain to help me. So prior just prior to him scoring obviously, it comes off of the corner. Yeah. The ball bounce around. But even prior to that the reason for the corner. Do you remember what happened? Refresh my memory Andy Robertson plays in a ball into the box, and Danny rose kind of sit out if no one near him right now is he you tell me sport, your whole life is he doing the right thing? They're on the percent. That's a thought he apologize. I thought he said he my bad afterwards was there. Well, I don't think anyone was nearing didn't need to do it. The ball was going to go out. He did not need to do it. He does not know what is around. So should lorries be saying, let it go. Let it go like Louis should give him shout there. That is where your goalkeeper communicates. No, he either did an in the noise, it wasn't heard or Danny rose took an executive decision which allowed to defenders do you often see goalkeepers going like this. And he's like, I didn't know I made a decision, he took an executive decision on that one. I did not obviously either here are ignored the shout from the Reese one or the other. It was brilliant bowl in there was no one on the end of it. But it was still a good ball in dangerous. One had a lot of pace on it. And for me he's done the right thing for me. I love I love de Niro. So I will I will set a long. I thought he had a game as well. Yeah, generally. I remember watching it in real time, thinking, oh, well, I hope this doesn't come back the buttocks. And then watching the highlights again today, I was like, oh, like you wanna reach through the screen knowing like how. History is going to unfold afterwards. It'd be like, no. You wanna push him out of the way. No. Let it go ones near you. The proper football man to give you familiar. Well, he's done. Those wreath quite right doing that. He's no. He's folks safety. I Andrew always in these in these things on site is twenty twenty vision. That's what you would hear. That is very proper India. Thank you. PFM. Devalkula. Reiki. Like what else can you say about this guy's pension for the moment here? I saw this stat late in the second half scored the goal to seal. The win for the reds Regan scored which with each of his three shots in the Champions League this season all three in the semi finals and final scored four goals in his last four games for Liverpool after entering may with just three goals in all competitions this season, one of which, though was like the goal the year against Everton like this. You talk about a super sub, what more could be asked of this guy. Really the David Faircloth in the nineteen. Seventies, when the lore of Liverpool was being wrote written he was considered the super soap on devore. Gi is no, the not ginger David Fairclough. It's unbelievable. To me, you want to hear the tweet. I saw two different. Daniela story story, said, Liverpool last July were quite happy to release Caridi to join holders field. In an incredible. I said this to one of our listeners quite emotional yesterday about it. It's amazing his journey. We saw him kind of burst onto the scene with Belgium in two thousand fourteen World Cup. And you and I it was just at the start of this podcast said we bought like him, he's a good signing for Liverpool and he just kind of fell by the wayside. He had loan moves. You didn't score twenty goals on loan. Didn't even start always on loan and people would ask me. What do you think of deliverables squad? And I said, well diva Craig is still in the squad. You know, we're still we don't have the debt, we need to be able to replace players like him. But there's something to be said for for for letting a guy be involved with clearly good. Footer letting him develop he's still young. And he is just taken every opportunity. He's been given off the bench and grasped it, and that was brilliant finish across Laurie. Oh, yeah. Really good. Now just inside the post was perfect. It's just not getting to that. He's not get into it and. Does he snatch at things? Yes. Dozy. Ron dome blind alley whiz. Yes. But Klopp has done a really good job in coaching him because he is better than he was now Willoughby grit striker for Liverpool. I don't think what's his future. I don't know. I heard a contract was on was offered to him. I heard this a month ago. But like if you're him. I mean obviously he's on top of the world today. In this moment, he scored all these big goals, and he's a Liverpool legend, he may never set foot on the field for them again. Who knows? But he's he'll go down forever. With these goals scored like, if you're him and the dust settles from all this excitement do even want to stay there. I feel like he scored goals now where he like he's gonna wanna be a first team player somewhere, and he's just he's not gonna be that at Liverpool only gonna Sola share after nine thousand nine it was, he's going to Tottenham. He's too good. Looking at me scoring goals in European Cup finals. He's going to taught him. He never did he kind of took that role as a super soba went with it. I think he's more cultural and will work harder than Daniel storage and Klopp wants him because he will do what he's told he will run. He will press and when he gets in the box, he's a decent enough finisher. Do you think that the fact that he is willing to give himself up to the team? The fact that he's willing to work. He's not as talented as some of the payers, not as talented. Security is not as talented as Sturridge but the fact that he is willing to do those things run the hard yards for Klopp may be something that keeps them at the club. But let me just ask you. So let's say like one of the things that hinders him is that, you know, a lot, I don't from, you know, dealt with some injuries at the end of the year. But like Monay Sala they didn't get hurt. But even even if they got hurt at some point this season, so, we'll Oreg then start up front, or we'll Klopp reshuffle, his formation and bring in like an extra midfielder because I don't think all the sudden rigi becomes a starter. Even if one of those guys goes down, it's only really being in the last six to eight weeks, the Newcastle game, the r- the obviously the need to play against Barcelona. I don't know. Man, I really don't know what future is, but he is a gold plated, legend, no at Anfield. And he may he may want to stay on right out that legend status and see where takes them. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I'm curious about that. There's other guys too for Liverpool for all the like the stick, I give you about Liverpool's. Sometimes there are guys on that team that I it's overall. It's a pretty likeable team. I would say that if you're a Liverpool fan you you can you can root for this team pretty easily. Like I was watching a clip last night, kind of like seeing stuff on Twitter, Jordan Henderson's embrace with his father was incredible. I mean how can you not like? How can you not feel that when you're watching it, I feel huge gives about the way I've talked about him over the past few years, like do I still think sit here and think he is the perfect, midfielder is either midfielder, that, you know, is even in the top ten midfielders Liverpool have had in the last twenty years. I wouldn't I don't think so. But what he's done. And the way he has Klopp has helped him and he's just -bility to go. Yes, I'll do that. Applies six. I'll play white on the right. I'll do whatever you need is just unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. He's only twenty eight and Jonathan Norcross. The journalists spoke to Graham hunter of ESPN AFC for one of his podcasts, and he talked about this on it resonated with me. He said Henderson was always the guy that was going to be moved on. He was a throwback to the KOMO Lee, the Stewart downing the Antequera signings that didn't work under Kenny Dalglish the early effigy years, and he was a guy who was bought on stats, he'd run harder than everybody else is. Pass completion was pretty good. But he was he I never loved him until, and then you see him if that European called, I've saw happy from I've, so because he's, he's a general he, he's a soldier. He wants to do what's best for the team. And we have we seen earlier in the season when he was taken off by Klopp, and they had that I think it was at Manchester United. They had that back and forth, where he just wasn't happy and yet he rolls up a sleeve goals to work every week for the team. He's extremely likable as a person and. He lifted the European Cup. I get my head around, you would told me when he stood there with those, those other signings at Anfield twenty eleven can't believe it's it is. It's an exercise in persistence on just getting a boat. Your job. Unbelievable. Solas another one to like I talked about how the penalty this year was the punch in the mouth moment last year. His injury in the thirtieth minute was the punch in the mouth moment. Whatever plan Liverpool had went out the window, and it was as a neutral was unfortunate watching that game last year without Mosala. And you know that kind of leaked into his World Cup performance, which was a bummer. You know then this season as good as he had a tremendous season but you still hurt. But what was the that one week? We got a tweet from somebody suggesting that Liverpool should move on from a detailed Email that saying that we should cash in. No, like insanity. So you know for him to score a goal in this in the Champions League final year later from having suffered that injury. I think he's somebody. Feel good for Dell. Definitely. And Gary Lineker did an interview with him. There's so much good content in the long lead up to the open final. Maybe I should be so critical about it. But he didn't enter interview about him, and he talked about when you left Chelsea, and you went to Italy to, to, to restart career and he talked about him scoring goals at Roma. So we started going goals as a white pair Roma fifteen goals in a season before he was bought by Liverpool. I carry Annika goes, well what did you do while I got goals, and I built a half field? Guarantee goes Guo's wear. And he was like at the back of my house. And with no goalkeeper on his own outside of the training hours he practiced finishing where he built a field behind his house pretty much dot is that is what I took from it. I don't know if it was behind his house, but close to where he lived, and I'm like, dude, you've got a, you've got a training ground at Roma just stay there. But no, he wanted to be I guess immersed in it. He wanted to be able to like he'd be cooking, pasta and stop and go and play in the backyard. This is what it seemed like any. Practiced finishing for hours. He said it a bag of balls a goal and he just and dot is, you know, you seem again with another high goals, you know another season. Not as money's last season. Obviously, which was a freak. But again, giving you goals, it's all hard work. It's all a story that's led to last night. I was delighted for him because you could see when he slid after scoring the goal to celebration was, he's got this, this weight off his shoulders after what happened in Kiev last uh summer. Yeah. Yeah. So in the end like you said it is Liverpool for the six time European champions, just how satisfying was this because I know so much of this season was like have to win the league for me have to. But you weren't alone in that I think, you know, we joked after like the group stage when Liverpool got through in the final game like it felt like there was this underlying group of Liverpool supporters that almost would have been okay if that had not happened. But in the end here you are the final game of the season, you know. And it's, it's you hoisting the Champions League trophy, and I have to believe that a lot of those feelings that Liverpool fans were so downtrodden. And after the Manchester City league success. I gotta think some of that melts away aiding lists. It definitely does I I've been getting texts all day, wound from. For my friend column whose huge red. And, and he was saying it would have been, it would have been terrible to finish. What ninety seven points in the league? And then go through the European Copeland not win. This trophy is like a vindication of the seasons efforts on I tried on you called me on you. Call me on my BS. Couple of times. I tried to tried the Klopp line, it's tops job to temper expectations going into a finals was team can purport perform at the optimum. But he was saying, you know, it's the journeys the amazing things ah trophies cool. Put if we don't have it nonsense. This was everything last night, and we needed to do it, a Miguel Delaney wrote about the if we didn't do it. There might be neuroses. We might have this hang up about finals and Klopp certainly would have it was, it was a vindication. I want to speak about something about Andrew that kinda, I was watching the scenes there. The parade is going on though in Liverpool and how much it means to people. And in the lead up to this final I, I watched a documentary about about Heisel on. The nineteen eighty five highs the stadium disaster. And we have Bruce Grobler sitting this very studio and talk about it, this Liverpool journey, and our association association with that trophy, it ruined soul. Soul deep. It's. You know, people have there's been massive tragedy in this Liverpool story on I just feel like. The Monica this means more is coming to smog. I the club puts it out put I'm not saying it means more than it would to I XE fans are two tot on finds. I just mean, there's such a weight of history. So many things have happened Sean Cox, who was attacked by the Roma fans last year, and it was put in just a terrible position fighting for his life. Sean Koch Cox was released from hospital to watch the game. He was able to sing you'll never walk alone wearing the jersey that was signed by all the players. It meant soul much to see all of that. You know, come together Jordan, Jordan. Henderson lifts the call. I thought of so many nights watching the report it wasn't just last night. It all together, maybe I'm just being overly emotional. But yeah, amazing amazing cathartic sakes. I can't believe it. Yep. Only. You and he's your guy ever going to stop talking only Real Madrid. And as C Milan with more. Yeah, incredible absolutely incredible book ourselves on. We're in Lee company. Now what we're back back to back European called flying lists Liverpool are back in a way that they have not been since the nineteen ninety start is a fact. Whatever dip there was no pre Klopp. Yes. I mean, forget it. It's been blown the wall. My goodness. Absolutely blown. I'll tell you what. Let's take a really quick break. When we come back, there is now kind of the future to look towards how do these clubs get better? How does Liverpool sustain this? How does Tottenham get back to this point, again, which feels so daunting? But I want you to hit oh, it is indeed a bright future. Oh, it is a bright future. Sounds so convincing. When you hear hear me say that optimism is not your strong suit. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. They always told will he was too short to play basketball, but will never listen. We'll let his work do the talking for him. Always Jim always running drills. We'll new where there was a will there was a way and he was will. But then after a second child was born he realized the pros were all way better than him. So we'll give up and buried his high tops in a tearful ceremony. But one day he heard that gyco could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome. Who back now? On other drop. Look, my so I had a I had a sore throat all last week. Yeah. You were. And then yesterday like the game ended, and we hung out at the bar for another more hours than I thought I was going to and like your bar voice is not normal speaking voice. You're shouting at everyone. Yeah. For several hours and this is this is this is the end product is the net result of that. Yeah. And also, those, those shots that listeners bought US Super nice of you, very nice, but definitely doesn't help deal voice. No probably not one thing. I wanted to mention to you. You mentioned the Liverpool parade going on. This is not a Liverpool issue because every club who wins, does the day after parade. I gotta say, not a fan of the day after parade, all of these people who paid, like God knows how much money to fly to Madrid to get a ticket and watch the game in Madrid and support the team, they are pretty much all not able to attend. Most of them, this is a travel day back. Maybe some people got super early flesh. But most of those people can't be there, and I feel like that's kind of a I don't know. That's not okay. We got the Red Army follows you into Europe and you leave them there. Now, what about the guy who bought the skull de car? So he couldn't afford the flights because of course the flights were absolutely hiked. So the flight was eight hundred pounds which is wild to go to Madrid from from London, wherever it was. So this Liverpool found a scored a car for forty pounds and drove it to Madrid. Wait a, what a Skoda it's a, it's a brand of car. But this was he bought it for forty pounds. So you can imagine the state. It was in like an really old boxy late eighties. Early nineties Skoda. Yeah. He drove it he made it to Madrid. He has to drive that back. Yeah. He's definitely missing the parade well, he bought it for forty pounds. Right. So let's think about the idea of having to drive that back. I say you drive, it, they're rolling off a cliff and get yourself a one way plane ticket back. So you made it to Madrid for basically, half the price because you're only paying for a one way flight leave the car you paid forty pounds for it. It's like a it's like a hooded sweatshirt cost the same imagine he that was the cheapest car he could get. That was still was, where do you find a car for on EBay? Like, where's that even available EBay? There's, there's a site called Don deal in Ireland where you can buy cars and stuff private private sales. Yeah. That's those are the places. You get them. Who knew? And it was this thing was falling apart. A Skoda never heard of the thing that goes to, oh, it's old school a really. I think they were a German car that were big in east Germany in the eighties. Real box roof functional utilitarian. Oh, yeah. You don't flash. Don't even think about it. No, no radio. You wanna radio fancy boy? No cigarette lighter. Remember that, that used to be big? None of that note, just a seat and a wheel some wheels. Let's talk about where Liverpool and Spurs go from here. We'll start with Liverpool. If if nothing changes if every player returns, if they don't make a single signing the summer, then I would enter next season thinking Liverpool can win another Champions League. Now here's the question because there's more to it than the Champions League Liverpool. They have their sights set on even higher goals. Like I think they believe they should win. Double next season of some kind with the league being the key, linchpin society Oman, if we're going to win. We're going out to win the Premier League in the Champions League next season. Why should why shouldn't? They think that right? So the question is do like where where can they really improve? I think you almost just have to assume we've got a great squad that will be great again next year. And like man city can't do that for third straight year. Right. Like I feel like they're kind of you almost have to Bank on, like city, not being able to sustain that, while we have to see what city do in the market. I mean they have they are there are project like we haven't seen before. I've said this ad nauseam, but, you know, their funds are bottomless, so I would be shocked if pep Guardiola does not strengthen again. I'm not changes. The dynamic further liberal would also have to look at, at their bench. And we're Suming like what does Daniel starch do there's rumors that he's moving to, to MLS? We've been hearing that what happens with diva Caridi, Sheridan cheery. What happens with him? There's questions there Andrew, but those guys are rotational play. They've got to be replaced on look at look at the way they've impacted this season. They have they've been they've been crucial. So, but like though you're right. They have to be replaced, but that's, that's more feasible to be than saying, you know, we need a an attacking midfielder, who can what change everything for us like the structure in the foundation. This is good. This is it is lifting. It is definitely. But, you know, you have to be again, it's so strange for me saying that's the midfield with forbidden. I like him a lot James Miller as well where what happens to him. Wh how does his role change? I think he's fairly happy at this point in his career with the role. He's got does that continue that way? Do they do? They upgrade in the midfield. Do they change thing? What, what where does cough wants to take this now? Well next season it'll be interesting for navigator in particular, because this year it started brightly, and then it fell off a cliff, then he got hurt when it started to look like maybe he was actually going to be playing well. Again he scored a couple of goals. Yeah. So I think a lot of people may. Give him a pass. Okay. First year took it some time to get acclimated head injuries next year. Like, I, it'll be time for him to perform up to what they thought they were getting when they bought him from Leipzig in the first place. So sure he's like he could change. He could change a lot of things for them next season in the midfield. And that, that puts another guy who's who I mean he was bought to be a starter. So what happens some guys are going to get pushed down the pecking order? What happens there eight? Yeah, there's more. That's good that there's competition, the squad is strong. I still think Klopp is going to want to push forward and push on, and he may react to assigning city, make there may be that I'm not calling it a weapons race. It can't be. But there will be okay. City will do this. Do we need to strengthen somewhere while doing need to because I do feel like they are when you look at ours, you look what's happening at Chelsea Manchester. United. These two are Liverpool. City your soul fire head right now. Are you surprised that all that because like Liverpool are definitely buying club now? But there is always that Real Madrid Barcelona tear that lowers players away. He is even the highest degree buying club in other leagues. Like I feel like I don't even hear Andy Robertson's name or Alexander Arnold's name or virtual Van Dyke. There are no, there's no hint of a rumor out there of rail, Madrid coming in with some crazy amount of money for one of these guys. I feel like I don't know. I feel like this, this club was just going to continue forth with these great player and uncloth is very forthright in his interviews. He goes, he talks about the difference between Bush dormant and Liverpool say Rodgers era Liverpool. And he goes, oh, well, you know, Bush Dortmund we had one or two seasons where we were you know, right up there right up, there winning championships, and then everything was taken away from us. We're plugged and the same at Liverpool and Suarez. And then you he said that won't happen though. That's the position that Klopp is in where he's never been before, is that these players aren't going anywhere. And look, some of that is Klopp, and, and definitely atmosphere, that he's created there. And some of that is ownership like, they, they need to be getting for this American ownership group that didn't know maybe it's Hon about what they were getting themselves into when they took over Liverpool, and they and they had a few rough patches, or on, after two thousand ten they have righted this, and like, from the renovation of the stands there at Anfield and their willingness to pay guys like that. We'll talk about Tottenham in a sec, but that is always the fear with Spurs with Liverpool. I don't know. I feel like they'll, they'll be competitive with other great clubs in Europe that they'll, they'll pay these guys. They soon snapped out of the idea of well, we'll get Ragnar klavan for. For three point five million, and we'll get carriers for five million and bears, your centreback Culver. And there's your goalkeeper for nothing. They soon got out of that idea that, that can work and that was interesting. I also think the appointment of Uragan top was so important for coaching. We saw with Liverpool, and we see with Tina was well, I must give him credit for that cushions important under, like you it, this solution on top said, sometimes you have to buy virgin Van Dyke analysis and other times you've got to get guys up to speed and make them better. And he's not. I think what Henderson. I think he's done it within their he talks about how he he freed Miller's decision making now at thirty three so different to what it was at twenty eight or twenty seven when he was at Manchester City that's thought his coaching on. That is brilliant, and that investments in Klopp is an investment in your players know yeah, it's a good way of putting. And then there's the other side of this with Tottenham. What a weird season for them in the. End you have to look at it Champions League final incredible and managing to do that, while still finishing top four. Amazing wall also navigating playing half your mo- half ninety five percent of your season in Wembley a place that Tottenham fans and players view is basically having played road games for the last couple of seasons. You know, they navigated a lot. But I say it was a strange season because good Lord. I mean, there were, there were moments of true frustration for them along the way, especially in the league mainly in the Champions League, too. But they, they always manage to battle their way out of those situations the thing for them. Can they get back to this point again, is what I keep thinking about in my head, and what other Spurs fans at the bar yesterday were asking about Ken Cantat in them really do this again. Yeah. Yes. Who's to say that? They can't, of course they can. But. But, like how hard is it going to be for them to do it like, I just think about their road to have gotten here and just the fortuitous of the way things played out at the end of the group stage where interim Alon couldn't better Spurs result at home against PSV rice that had to happen, the craziness of a VAR decision allowing them to get past Manchester City, the insanity of the second leg the last forty minutes against I acts like a lot. A lot had to go right for Tottenham, which don't get me wrong is an amazing new feeling for a Spurs fan because we're so used to the other side of the coin when everything goes wrong. So you can take the term Spurs -i and throw it, right? The bleep out the window. Sure, I think that they completely have reversed that narrative, but man like to do this, this, I think they can do it again. And we've seen like I said, we've talked about you talked about the deficiencies in this first team still went to which I'm Z final. I've talked about Liverpool in the past still went to Champions League final. There's other teams that have done this. I think Spurs can do it again. I think they have the quality to go on the run like that. And we've seen that, you know, in, in the group stages in the past two seasons where they've had teams like Dortmund and rail Madrid. They're not scared. They're not cowed by that. They're not afraid of it. What, what I'm interested in now is what happens. You're in your new stadium. Right. You, you have to buy. No, right. Those no question about it. That's just like they can't possibly have another transfer window with zero activity right now possible. But here's you've built a billion dollar stadium. I don't know when the NFL revenue starts coming in, or as I don't know how that works. They don't have that revenue stream is going to work. Like is, is their money to be spent. Yes. They're one of the biggest clubs in the world. And how can there not be the money that the Premier League makes the money that they made from going on a run this deep into the Champions League there, there's what you spent Betty without going near without going near a player? This isn't like man city spending a billion across ten years for players. This is just a stadium. I say just the stadium it's a beautiful stadium. But it's a stadium. I is there the money to invest in the squad? No. Well, here's the thing that I worry about is will the money to invest in the squad come at the expense of say, a Christian Erickson who rail Madrid have reportedly shown interest in will Tottenham just have to relent and say, okay off you go. And then now okay, now here's the money for us to spend. That's the thing I worry about because I think if they if they can keep this team together this group of players, this is this is a uniquely great Spurs, who's indispensable who can't go anywhere. Who? I can't go anywhere. Well, the manager right to me is number one on that list, then after him the center by I look, I look at the centre Bax with, I mean could one of them go. I don't know. I would say, boy, that's a tough question. I wanna say Cain. He's he's their best player. You know when he's on his, they're, they're almost unbeatable daily alley. He's. He's not indispensable. No, boy, I feel so cold saying this because I I was talking to guys at the bar yesterday. And I said, I know that Tottenham just lost this game and they looked bad doing it. But my God I love every single one of those players. I know I really like even you know, there's moments where curing trippy drives me crazy. But the to see him after the game, the first place he went when the game ended was into the stands to basically hug Tottenham supporters. And like I just I truly believe that these guys care deeply about this. I think so too. And I think pockets, you know, his instilled a lot of that in them a run like this galvanizing for for for players. This is being this is a net success for Spurs, when everything God of golden to leave the memories that I, I hate these people because they do exist. There's a guy I work with here at this radio station of ESPN New York who will oftentimes remember, great. He's a Mets fan. He'll remember like moments in Mets history. Yeah. That were amazing. But it didn't. End in a win and he says, well didn't happen, then forget it. I'm like, I just can't sports and supporting team is just it has to be about more than than just hoisting life life. It'd be like that. The member like just reflecting yesterday talking to people about the wave of emotion that went through me when the cameras pan to the screen at the Eddie had that said the goal has been disallowed like that feeling it gives me goosebumps, just remembering it like, the, the Lucas more goal remembering how I reacted when that happened like these are things you take the stuff with you for the rest of your life. You definitely do you have to I had a snarky comment there. And I held back. You know what I was going to say, well, so now you're gonna say it anyway. So maybe you should sign the screen at the yet. Maybe the moment of the season for them. Yeah. But the thing I wonder about what Tottenham in terms of their future is okay. It's very easy for us to sit here and say, well, they have to buy they gotta buy players. They got to improve the squad. And yes, there's a couple there's a couple areas that I could identify where that would help mainly again, trippy like, that's a fullback would would be helpful because I just don't know. He's good. But is the Champions League. Final good. I don't know. But, like, okay, let's so let's say that who are they get like, that's the problem for Tottenham the only guys that can replace a like do you want to replace son or cane or Ericsson or the soco just was there player of the season? Like so who the only guys who can do that and replace those kinds of players are, let's be honest guys that they're not coming to Tottenham those guys that are going. They don't know. They're they're looking at bigger clubs. Then Spurs Real Madrid. Did you know men city Barcelona? Who knows what kind of money, Manchester? United are gonna throw out there. But like there's guys around the world that, you know, United is a bigger club than Spurs. I get that. And so that's their dilemma. It's, it's very easy for us to say out Daniel Levy, he so stingy. I can't believe he won't open up his pockets. The team is so close, but it takes two to Tango, and Daniel Levy could be willing to throw a lot of money at guys. But they have to want to go to Tottenham and are those guys of a caliber, that they're going to be willing to do that rather than go to a bigger club. I don't know. I don't know. And that's, that's their problem because Tottenham earth this moment in history for them where like it can go down to roads right now arsenal are down. United are down. This is this is Spurs moment. Chelsea have probable transfer ban coming up the season. Right. You know this is a moment for them if they decide new stadium like the future is bright, this team we are still all in our prime even have a young player starting to come. Up like Harry wings, go for it. They're so close. And will they do that? And that is the question that will plague them this entire summer until we start seeing the kind of moves that they are gonna make I don't know could be long summer for Spurs fans but we know how Daniel Levy does business. He waits until the eleventh hour. He wants quality for the money. He spends we, we know that much. Yeah. He will not burn burn cash. Yeah, I don't know. I think look, I think they'll be really good next season. And I think they have another Champions League run in them that I don't know that, that means getting to a final, but I expect them even with this team if they made no signings. I, I don't care what group they're in. I would say they should be getting out of the group stage. But is this team has presently constituted better than Liverpool? Or Manchester City to contend for title in the league. No, no. A resounding. No. So it's now it's time to decide are you a Cup team that wants to win an FA Cup and make another Champions League run. Or do you want to do you wanna battle Liverpool and city in the league like that's that is where they're at right now? It's going to be fascinating. Because everything's in place. Now we're not talking about stadiums. We're not talking about cheese rooms while I am. But we're not talking about, you know, patches. They're the vacancies being filled at Manchester United. You've just been in the Champions League final. Like you said the road is wide open on which road, are you? Two. The road less traveled. Poem, that I know. It's going to be a fun summer. I know we hate dealing in transfer rumors but we do because hopefully there will be action and we can start to see what con because the Premier League right now is like remember, we did the nNcholas cage game a few years ago about the Premier League where it's like this big box office thing that has no substance where I that's not true. Now, this league is great. And these teams are great you had you know four English clubs competing in both European finals. It's gonna be fun to see will. They start to steal away some of the guys that PS g Madrid and Barcelona have been taking like could this league still get even better? Will we see wolves in the Europa league final, who's to say who's to say I think that's about it, man? I'm trying to think of some something else, but fears a dotted that's the end of the season though we've ended with such fireworks. Maybe not on the field. But in terms of. Of the caught offside cope. I think we I was thinking about it this morning when I was getting ready. I was like, we kind of just have to retire the caught offside Cup as a thing. I mean, honestly, how could it ever matter again after these teams just played in a champion sleek flying, we meet you in the league, it's going to be unless we're neck and neck together for like second or far star something like that, it will feel quite small, it was. I mean they could meet in in the FA Cup final next season. And it'll be like whatever wake me up when they do it again in a Champions League. You heard Jordan Henderson mentioned, the coat of site cope maybes ice, Jordan. This must be the pinnacle of your of your career will. Yeah, you know, it is winning European cups amazing. And you know, obviously it being the caught offside cope with makes it more special. I, I think you're right. I let's put it out to the listeners. Look, we're not going to retire at it's not just like a camp possibly flee. Years is going to have to do something with that graphic, though. So Matt is an OG listener from backing when we first started this podcast. And he's kept score on the caudal site. Cope in a nice little graphic, I want Matt, to do something a little bit snazzy with that graphic because now I've got the Champions League you could beat me seven times in a role. It won't touch that. So you say today. What if I can't wait for the fixture list to come out? What if Spurs and Liverpool meet on the final day of I just like I all kinds of insanity at stake, all really the only thing all the permutations? Yeah. That's it. Are maybe we honestly even the Champions League final. This is this is like unless some special dispensation comes in we're Tottenham and Liverpool. Can compete in a World Cup. What are we doing beyond this? It's crazy. You sound like that a journalist in the Chicago one's swine stagger with signed do think Chicago can win the World Cup though. If you ever compare me to that guy, again, isn't it enough for you, that you've won the championship a unique to get some, I know Honey and lemon, or something for that voice? I know your voice is pretty much your, your moneymaker can't be my face. So this is it. Like you said, this is the finality God. It's been so much fun. It's almost even having lost this game yesterday. I, I'm still almost disappointed for this just to this chapter of like, I'm I pumped. How nervous where we before kick-off yesterday? It was wild. I know we gave each other hug beforehand us up on a stay over on thrown. I loved it. And you did not. No, it's not. I belong with the people, but thanks to Glen, and the Harry lemon for being such great hosts. Yeah. Everyone had a lot of phone. We were there, right until almost the Anthony Joshua fight. Yeah. And how about that. Oh my God. Good Lord, look at the new heavyweight champ of the world. He looks like a friend of ours. Does he? You can't say, oh man. Well, hey, this was fun. Congratulations to you, and to all of our Liverpool supporters. I know we have a lot that listen to this podcast and to all the guys that were there yesterday supporting Liverpool at the bar. You were all great. Honestly. It was a great environment to have watched a game like that. And to the guy, the rather tall, gentlemen, who walked in wearing what looked like a match worn. Chelsea jersey from twenty twelve with Lampert on the back just didn't care. Care, their Europa league chancy deserves the celebrate imagine if he's been out since they're opening final, and he just wandered in there. Yeah. While this may be the end of the season. This is far from the end of things because the women's World Cup starts this week. The US under twenty men have qualified for the the knockout stage of the World Cup. Yes. And we wonder how that's gonna work goes. We watched the game against Qatar. We wouldn't want to nail it should have been too. And we won the group and now they face France, which will not be easy. The Gold Cup. Start soon. Obviously MLS is continuing. And like before, you know it, honestly the Premier League is going to start again, August is not far off transfer like the transfer windmill is going to start blowing real fast, and we'll be talking Premier League in like the blink of an eye. The football is officially going on forever. It really and truly is oh, and less, we should say you mentioned that there yourself. You did an MLS. You said, MLS is obviously still continuing. Okay, good. Good. So yes, this was a lot of fun. Hey honestly truly. Congratulations. Man, you deserve it. You're such a great fan of this club. Oh, you deserve it. I'm thank you very much for. You've been very I tweeted out, I said, because people were asking on so I did a little video. I said, you're a true sportsman you genuinely are. There's no bluff, or bluster, which you about it. You know how to take defeat, you know, to you understand what it means. And I appreciate that. Because I think a lot of people thought we were going to throw each other off that podium, we were on out of that was well, I we're going long. Now, talking like belaboring this. But I actually think that the nature of the game helped in terms of coping with it as a defeat if that game was just ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding wild. You know off the post, like if there was just craziness happening. I think there's more moments that I'd be looking back on today and being like oh my God, they hit the post in the eighty third minute or like. Stuff like that. But like you said, Tottenham were just they were pretty impotent. And it just kind of like, yeah. We lost that game. We probably should have this was an amazing run. I couldn't possibly be more proud of this club. And like I can kind of be happy with how it all win. I bought you a commitment, a commemorative gift from the European Cup final twenty nineteen that just sums it up perfectly. You're gonna love it. It's signed it's Karen chirpy. Shanking the ball out for throwing earned the right. You are in the right. Hey, we'll be back next week with plenty more, of course to you. I say. Take care. Listening to caught off-side soccer podcast.

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