18 Burst results for "Toro Rosso"
Past Gas
"toro rosso" Discussed on Past Gas
"Debut said was 19 years and 53 days old. Someone had to figure that out. They start with the day. He was born one. This is a leap year. I got to start over. Oh, yeah, you got ferret leap years. What? You got to add leap years. Yeah. Wow. It is kind of hard. I know how I would do it, but it would take me a minute. The youngest driver, because you got to figure out if he was born on a leap year. Yeah, and you can't just go back on a computer, you have to find old calendars of each year. Yeah. 'cause you don't know if it's accurate online. Yeah. He was the youngest driver at 19 years, 53 days to take part in an F one race weekend. But he quickly proved that he could hang with the big boys. Drivers choices age. Vettel stunned the field when he recorded the fastest test time in his first free practice at the 2006 Turkish Grand Prix. And then did it again at the next GP in Italy. Veto also set the record for collecting his first penalty. 9 seconds into his career. As the driver exceeded the pit lane speed limit on the way to the track. In 2007, BMW promoted Vettel from his test driver role to replace Robert cute bitsa at the U.S. Grand Prix where he started in 7th and finished in 8th setting yet another record as the youngest driver to score a point in Formula One. That youthful record among many others has since been broken by Max Verstappen. Who will talk about more later because if we didn't talk about him, we'd be bad at our job. After his stellar showing with BMW, Sebastian moved to Red Bull's F one little sister Toro Rosso, where he took the 2008 season by storm, actually, by storm, might be a little generous compared to what he was destined to do in his second season. But his rookie campaign was good, okay? Despite pissing off teammates, competitors, and everyone officials more than once, 21 year old Seb became the youngest driver to ever win a Formula One Grand Prix when he took the Italian stage by a whopping 12 seconds. Again, Max Verstappen would eventually shatter this record as an 18 year old but Sebastian's win was still massive. And led to him being named rookie of the year at the 2008 out of sport awards. He was also dubbed baby schumi after the goat, Michael Schumacher, by the German press. That's what people call me too. Baby shoe me? Yeah, 'cause I kinda look like Jimmy Schumer. Yeah. Kinda looks like an adult baby. Yeah, and you come full circle. You can imagine how much of a baby I look like. Naturally, red bull decided to promote Sebastian to Red Bull Racing for 2009, where Seb got a long, famously with Adrian newey's RB 5, and won the Chinese GP with teammate Mark Webber, finishing second. Mark, voila. Down from there, you son of all right. So he's drivers climbing that thing. I know it's fun, it's dangerous. It's wet. Training, you're getting struck by lightning, web. Mark Webber's your brother, right? Yeah. He wants to distance. He's like a strange from our family. So he edited a beach to his name. That's why your parents didn't let you do karting because Mark was such a racist. This was Red Bull's first ever race win. 5 more wins followed as the team dominated the last half of the 2009 season. Seb finished in second in the driver's championship while Red Bull finished second in the constructors. Nice. You know what's weird is you're also a Lewis fan, right? But they have been winning for so long. Likeable as winners, whereas Red Bull is kind of unlikeable. What did they want was just kind of greasy. Yeah. Absolutely not exciting at all. I actually feel bad for max because it's like, you're not going to be like, no, I don't want to win. It's just like kind of a crummy way to win. Yeah. I mean, I feel bad for max. He was rightfully fired after that. How's he feel? I'm pretty good. It's tainted. You know? He's probably sitting in his weird bachelor apartment with no furniture with his sim in the corner. Complaining about the Wi-Fi. It's so funny that's in the corner. Anyway, the 2010 RB 6 changed everything. The team took 15 out of a possible 19 pole positions, and at 23 years old Vettel became the youngest world drivers champion in the sports history, a record that still stands to this day. Adrian newey became the most successful F one designer ever when he won the constructors championship for a record third team. The next season, Vettel and the RB 7 were nearly untouchable, scoring 11 wins and 15 poles while Weber took three poles and one win of his own. Sebastian ended the season as the youngest ever, double and back to back world champion, and the team celebrated their second consecutive constructors championship. The team was on a roll, guys. And then they threw him to the sharks. So many old garbages. Actually, in 2012, a band on the exhaust blown diffusers in 2012 complicated the development of the RB 8. But brainiac Adrian newey way to go brainiac. Continued to push technical boundaries. He drew his fair share of controversy over additions like floor holes and engine maps, but in the end it was all legal, and the results spoke for themselves. The team claimed another constructors title Mark Weber took two checkered flags and sub took 5, including four of the last 7, which sealed his third consecutive driver's release. Adrian newey would probably say, controversy, controversy, controversy. The 2013 F one season. The 2002 fed flintstone. I'm a brainiac. Last time I checked your door to your office, didn't say brainiac on it. Mine did. So why don't you cut a hole in that floor? Why don't you watch some old episodes of Fred flintstone and tell me I'm wrong? Yeah, have you ever seen how fast the flintstone gets to work? The 2013 F one season was a bit of a roller coaster, but fantastic on the less. Nui's RB 9 was supremely fast, but even after Seb won the first two races, he and his increasingly jealous and agitated teammate Mark Webber suggested that tire issues kept them from going full speed. After knew he made some magical tweaks, Weber and Vettel utterly dominated the second half of the season. Vettel won the last 9 races and won the driver's championship in one of the most dominant performances ever seen in the sport. Nui wrapped up his fourth straight constructor crown while Sebastian's driver title streak of four put him alongside racing icons like Alan Prost and Juan Manuel Fangio. That's quick. Yeah. Let's put this in perspective, Joe. Formula One is the most difficult, most expensive and most prominent racing series in the world. And a team that didn't exist less than a decade before is absolutely thrashing teams that have been there for over a century,
Past Gas
"toro rosso" Discussed on Past Gas
"Show? Or the Weber family has a burger place in the mom is a real. You better watch out. You're gonna kick your ass. I see a character called out of breath Mark Wahlberg. You're like, hey, this happened me over dinner. You have any spoken? There's a bottle of wine. Who's Donnie here? Red Bull finished O 7 with a respectable 5th place in the constructor's championship. Showing the world that they were a team on the rise. We're a team on the ride. That's the Montage of them doing well in the movie. Team on the rise is Red Bull Racing. Honestly, Austin, you know, there's Red Bull. That's really episode crazy. I had a cold brew. On the way to I did a band. I was like, it'd be funny if I just stacked all these Red Bulls up in front of us. You know? They're very tempting. They're tasty. They drink like we talked about this before. They taste like zots. Yeah, they taste like a Zach. And you look like a thought. By the halfway mark, that host over there. I do have the biggest cake. You got a dumpy. Joe walks into a room and his butt comes in 5 minutes later. Bag it up. You can see it from the front. By the halfway mark of the 2008 season, Red Bull was in contention for fourth place in the constructor's championship. David kuthar finished third in Canada, but the team scored only 5 points in the last several races, dropping them to 7th overall at the season's end. Additional salt in the wound was that Red Bulls Renault powered RB four was being consistently overshadowed by its Ferrari powered sister team Toro Rosso. Oh, that's not good. And not good. You can't have the apprentice overshadowing the master. It's like Nolan getting more views than me. No one just did the Kermit meme. Makes me want to chase this Red Bull with a bullet. Over significant aerodynamic rule changes came in the 2009 season, which meant newey was allowed to basically start from scratch. Time to go to work, chaps, all right, new time to show them why they hired you. This clean slate would prove to be a massive turning point for Red Bull Racing. And so would the promotion of a Toro Rosso driver named Sebastian
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Straight line, and it was great at spar Monza. Did it. It didn't have cursed. No. But on a different day, that was sliding doors moment. It would be talking about the force India vijaya mo two on this podcast rather than the Ferrari F 6. It's probably worth mentioning as well that 2009 has the smallest spread of raw pace from front to back of any F one season in history. It's a pathetically small percentage covering all the teams. So that's another reason why it's kind of in at ten because there was no actually there was no particularly awful car across the whole year in 2009. So it was quite an interesting rule change that one. There wasn't really a sort of de facto backmarker team let's say because super guri had gone bust at that point. Toro Rosso was it was the last year of true customer cars and they still had basically the same car as the Red Bull. The force India maybe was the de facto back marker at the start of the season, but they really got this thousand to gear. They had the McLaren package in the back of the car as well. So yeah, it was a very interesting. I remember that season very, very fondly. Not just for the button, title triumph, but for the rest of it as well. But yeah, it was a good year. All right, moving on. In 9th place. Yeah, number 9 is the shadow DN 8. It's Richard was the 1977 Austrian Grand Prix of Milan Jones. It's best other result was third and it finished 7th in the constructors championship. So that's like if Aston Martin last year through 7, if they'd had randomly managed to have a win in there. So this wasn't a particularly terrible guy. It wasn't absolutely horrendous. It was just very mediocre. It was a bit overweight. It was slow in a straight line. On a good day, it could score a point, which in those days was top 6 on a bad day, both cars failed to finish. But when Alan Jones was in 1977, it did have a few good moments. But by far the best one was that race earth strike ring. He started 14th, but it was a wet track. He started on slick, like a lot of the other runners, and he just came through the field. Kind of giving, I suppose, a little bit of a hint that this guy actually had some real potential, so he went on to be world champion. And he was running second to James Hunt. It was good in the way as well. But then the McLaren's Cosworth DFV blew up with 11 apps ago and Jones came through to win by 20 seconds. So actually quite a quite a big win, really. One of those one of only 20 odd races that we won from outside the top ten on the grid as well. So it was just one of those situations where the car was all right, held together, stunning drive in difficult conditions got it onto the list. Why did it only do the first four races of the 78 season? Was it because the D 9 wasn't ready or it was so bad they were like yeah in those days they'd introduce cars when they were ready. So the DNA had actually appeared in 76 and was all right and then was all right in 77 and then they just think that yeah it was just a midfield a midfield battle really, which would normally have been forgotten by history much more had it not been for had it not been for whatever that win. Striking car of the era, JBL what are your thoughts on the DNA? And I think it was interesting period foreshadow because they were very, very strong in the mid 70s. By this point at which Joan got Jones got his win, they were sort of falling off a little bit. We're still a year out from the split that eventually created arrows and obviously your favorite subject. Indeed and I could talk all day about that, but we'll just mention something in a minute. But let's remember that Alan Jones came in because Tom price had his face waxed and one wonders what he could have potentially achieved later on in Formula One and Alan Jones comes in and marks himself out as the champion that he would become. A shadow sort of looking relatively, let's say, underfunded, I think by this point they'd lost the UAP sponsorship. And then that means backer Franco ambrosio at that point, he walked out with Jackie Oliver and various other technical members, including Tony Southgate and formed arrows and then the DN 9 that followed it up. The arrows FA one was almost a carbon copy of that because South Gate had used intellectual property. That he thought he don't. And he was actually intellectual property of the shadow team. And I think the high court found that the two cars were pretty much the same. And I think arrows had pretty much had to go and build a new one because they kind of knew that they were down and out in that court case. Yeah, they knew they were going to lose. They already had a car pretty much ready to go. Didn't they? Which also looked very, very similar as well. Okay, let's move on in 8th place. So 80s of the Toro Rosso STR three, so this is the 2008 car that won the Italian Grand Prix in what I regard as Sebastian Vettel's greatest victory of his 53. And the STR three was being a bit simple, but it was kind of like a 2008 Red Bull with a Ferrari engine instead of a Renault one. They didn't start the season very well. They struggled quite a lot, but they had a B spec. Sorry, they started the season with the B spec the previous year's car. They once they got up and running with STR three. Second, I know of course Vettel was a hungry young talent coming along so, you know, kind of battling and they put strong together some really good points finishes. Obviously the basic car wasn't a terrible, so again, that's why it's only 8. We'll get to some really not very good cars. On this list. And of course, it had its dire days at Monza. They'd move the weight distribution back so that helped with traction out the chicanes and in the wet, Vettel was on it. These only real rivals is Hamilton. They went the wrong way with the tire choice during the race. And Vettel reeled off that wheeled off that win. But the best result of the car had outside that was a fourth, so I didn't get on the podium anywhere else. And in the constructors they ended up 6th. Although that was factoring in the B spec previous years car. So again, not a terrible car, just one of those sort of midfield Y type cars that managed to get onto the wins list because of conditions in a virtuoso drive. So a 21st century version of the shadow, if you like. And Sebastien Bourdais couldn't do too much with that, that car, JBL. It was this point in the board a not quite match up to Vettel because he'd had those four champ car titles in a row and he came into a flying we thought finally somebody else that can sort of maybe
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"But then he had a he had still had some things to overcome because he was ill. He'd had a virus infection. His hands were blistered because of the steering wheel because obviously in those days the cars didn't weren't quite so well tailored and Palestinians are now. And I think he had some engine cutting out as well. So he had a lot to deal with. This is round Monaco. And held on to win. So it's kind of perhaps a rain affected race rather than the classic wet weather kind of its torrential the whole time. But as you say, improvisation, that's what it's all about thinking on his feet and also early in that season when the big regulation change had come in. When they had gone to flat bottoms and the FIA dropped that bombshell, the previous winter and the teams had come up with a cut and shut jobs basically on most of the most powerful Gordon Murray came up with them, the amazing BT 52, of course. But that Williams, I always loved that Williams. The short term. Sort of archetypal late era DFE car, really. And he made the most of it that day very few occasions that year he had a chance to be the turbos and he absolutely took his opportunity that day. He's great to watch in 1883 as well. If you look at some of the old footage, the body language of rossberg in the races, he's always, you feel like he's squeezing every last ounce of performance out of it. He's late on the brakes. He's throwing it and he's doing everything he can to keep up with the turbos or get around them. And I know he only won one race in his world champion winning year. But I'm sort of quite pleased he was a world champion. And when you think about rossberg and The Rain, you've got to mention 78 international trophy as well, which was one of the wettest races ever. Even facilities and standards and everyone's skidding off. Including Mario in the lotus. And keke, who was barely known at the time winning on a Theodore, and that was kind of put himself on the map that day. And yeah, so he's got more than one rights of passage race, I'd say. Yeah, that's true and actually that's probably worth clarifying that this is world championship races, but if you were including, I mean, if you're including non chapter on a race, you'd probably have to bring in Jackie X's win at brands hatch in 1974, which is his last big good F one drive, I think, probably. Well, the non championship British race is the race of champions of brands in international trophy. They were early in the year, so they were the chances of a wet race quite high. Or snow on the snow. Yes. Hypothermia. Top ten snow. All right, let's make this a little more up to date now. Well, who's next? Number 8, Sebastian Vettel, 2008 Italian Grand Prix, and I think it's probably Vettel's best win of his 53, and it was his first one. And I think it's a Toro Rosso. This was the feel good factor as well at the time. So remember at this stage is up and coming on German talent. Toro Rosso, which was obviously the old minardi team, never won a race. And it just, you know, I think all sports headline was introducing a new F one star. And that was absolutely correct. He nailed qualifying. I think the car was good in those conditions. It was malleable, but he drew it with such confidence and panache. And I think there was an assumption that in the race, vet wouldn't hold on. But he had everyone covered. The only one that I think could have challenged him. Perhaps predictably given what happened over the next ten years, was Lewis Hamilton starting way back. But it basically rested on a tire change and how the conditions went. And they went the way that Vettel needed. And so they said to pit again, it was all over it. So it's a very well taken victory is out of the blue. And it was kind of, I guess, a warning shot for everyone that this guy was going to be someone to be reckoned with. Slightly left fields analogy, but I always think a little bit of Elvis Presley when I think of this win. It's like Elvis and 56 and some records Elvis when he was when he was cool. He was sharp. He's wiggling his hips and the songs were absolutely mint pin sharp, great record, rock and roll records to lay era Elvis when he was overweight and he was at Las Vegas and he was wearing stupid jumpsuits and he was nowhere near what he used to be and Vettel late year of Vettel I think he almost lost for me he lost he lost the spirit of what was Sebastian Vettel. He lost he lost his mojo completely. I think during the latter Ferrari years Aston Martin we saw little moments of the old Vettel come back and it was lovely to see, especially in that last season. And when he was released almost from his F one career, once he'd announced it, it seemed to we almost got an inside of Elvis 56 again, you know? And that's 2008 Vettel, he was just awesome and he was young and he was fresh. He was hungry and he was just everything that was great about a new young driver bursting through in a minority. I agree with that. I would say that I'm just to back that point. I'm glad that vessel did this to you as Aston Martin as we left F one after the 2020 season at Ferrari. Where I've been blown away by leclerc and the car was terrible. That would have been rubbish, but actually he had some performances at Aston Martin that made you think, oh yeah, there's there he is. The clippers are still, I think he retired on his own terms in a much better way. In 2022 than he would have done at the end of 2020. There's a top ten in how drivers leave Formula One. So I'm slightly obsessed with how drivers pretty world champion.
Box of Neutrals
"toro rosso" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"Did an interview with Elle confidential Spain, I assume. And he said he has nightmares still about how much I should lie because he called it a traumatic. But he says he still wakes up crying. About remembering Helmut Marco telling he's not good enough. From the whole traumatic Toro Rosso experience as it was at the time. Says he's sure other drivers like Sebastian bae has gone on to make a successful motor sport career. It's having the same traumatic episodes because nothing was ever good enough in Red Bull. He said often he'd get better, a more congratulations from rivals than he would from his bosses at Red Bull. He does tweeted more recently in wonder wanted to clarify that he was pleased to be in the Red Bull program. They're glad they gave him his dream shot, which is true. But nonetheless, he's really painted an unattractive picture. Well, he ever writes that in a Red Bull car. So Toro Rosso was his weapon of choice, and then after that, it didn't really go right. It didn't even do the sort of I'll just become a reserve driver. No. Somewhere else. He just decided to buy it. He did, and there was a fairly big gap in terms of his rising credentials and he even has this, of course, I'm going to the great source of Wikipedia. So what is the great downfall when you were literally in 2011 in a Formula One says? Finished items from the Canadian Grand Prix. He's an auto racing driver from Catalonia. But we're in 20 13, or in 2013 already had a phone with only participated in the cik FIA world Kay Z championship where he was 9th. So he went back to Kathy. He was too big. Too heavy. Getting trolled by a helmet marker over his BlackBerry at the time just going through it and you want to be a Formula One driver. Oh dear, it's just like. Full black man, you know, he's a successful DJ these days, I believe. So it seems like he's having a good time. So in 2000 22, aguas took part in something Troy if you're finishing 16th after climbing 14 positions. Oh, that's all right. He did it. Yeah, well, that's awesome. He also returned to participate in the Spanish casting championship. So you're telling me, if we go to the Daniel Ricciardo Wikipedia entry brought to you by Elon Musk, the entry will be Daniel Ricciardo racing in the western Australian radical cup series at papa Gallo. People would pay good money. You see how excited people were to think about the prospect that Dani Ricciardo would raise a NASCAR incredible. I've never met anyone who actually watches NASCAR. And I know we've got a lot of Americans this thing, and they probably all do. Yeah. But outside of America, I'm yet to meet someone who watches it. What NASCAR is to me? Talk about a jpeg. I am impressed by what they do. It's a great show. But it's just not formula ones like Seinfeld. It's easily the most. It blows everything out of the water. Then you've got moto jpeg, which is like Friends. But also very popular. Popular. But it's just not there's a ranking. There is a hierarchy in those things. NASCAR, want to say it's here we go. This is a fox neutral Discord, which. Favorite 90 sitcom unusual is your favorite category of motor sport. Yes. You say you would think an obvious number three. The hierarchy is Seinfeld Friends, Fraser. But are we putting NASCAR in the top three? NASCAR's not Frazier. Let's be honest. Formula E why no, I mean like there's, I mean, I don't know. Well, let me know. So Indy car, surely? Oh, IndyCar's Fraser. Perfect. Everybody loves Raymond. I quite like everybody loves ravens. Becca. I never watch pickup. So that does work for me because I've never seen that guy. Let us know, Discord channel. What 90s TV show are the various motor sport characters all together now? 100%. W tasty. You're listening to Greeks on the roof. Before we wrap this up, Singapore Grand Prix this weekend, you've waited for Formula One for two weeks. Yes, we're finally going to get there a couple of things to watch for this week. Hey, actually, just before we do that, it's been three years since the last Singapore Grand Prix 2019. Grand Prix. I wonder how it's changed. We're going to get there the circuit's going to be different than the great no, it's exactly the same thing. Has he left it? We just start remembering what that one remembers. The last time we were here, this is how long ago it was. Sebastian Vettel was a winner in Formula One. Now this is a time capsule. Yes, he won. This was, of course, you might remember the moment of tension between him and Charles Leclerc, leclerc one Belgium and Italy. Remember when he screwed over Sebastian qualifying in Italy, then beat Lewis Hamilton in Monza. And then we finally got his win back in Singapore. This was the last time he's ever won informed a lot. Was this will race three years ago? But of course, that all unpleasantness meant that he didn't get a new contract at the end of the year. And was dropped at the end of 2020 that very unhappy 2020 at Ferrari. Ever listened to this time capsule of his sentence again from the great source of Wikipedia. The free encyclopedia. Food Polish. Race. Daniel Ricciardo, George Russell made contact at turn one on the first lap causing Russell's front, causing damage to Russell's front wing. Nico hulkenberg, Carlos Sainz, junior collided at turn 5, Russell hulkenberg and saint subsequently all made pit stops at the end of the first lap. Russell and Ricardo doing racing one another. While Ricciardo was disqualified from qualifying because he had a he exceeded the indie UK power limit during Q one. Brought to you by the sonova vitamins. So well researched when I go on Wikipedia. It's great and hard. Now I know what it's like to do this stats for the footies. And then what do we go? I forgot this was a thing. In 19 qualified 19th for the knocked out in Q one, the only person in a one minute 41 was Robert kobita. In a Williams Mercedes as well. That's how pre-pandemic this was. Nico hulkenberg was on the grid. Sergio Pérez was at racing points. Oh my God. Do you have a Nazi was still on the on the grid? Kimi Räikkönen was still on the grid. Kevin Magnussen. Hey, we got there.
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"But the Williams, I think, is very well set up for the high-speed nature of spa, so it should hopefully what's their advantage and yeah, give him a good shot at staying in the top ten. Matt, you spoke to Dave Robson, Williams head of vehicle engineering after the session. And he went into detail a little bit about what was behind Alban, obviously great in the car great performance from him. But a bit of a bit of unconventional work from Williams on the upgrade front to get him that result? Absolutely. I tried to put it polite as politely as possible, but I basically said to speed this weekend, it's all coming in that first sector. Alex Albon was fastest of anyone all day in that first sector. I basically tried to say, is that a deliberate setup? Or is it that's just reflective of the car not having any down force? So it cuts a nice clean hole in the air. And they said it's sort of somewhere between the two. So what we know about the Williams is yeah, it doesn't produce that much down force. And the way the way Dave Wilson, but it was quite crude. He said it's a cheap upgrade. We've just cut off a bit of the rear wing, and that's why we're more slippery in the top speed is good and then really efficient through that first sector, but there was also a bit of micro analysis as well. And now Bond actually after some setup changes they weren't too happy with an FP three. In qualifying, he was so good at getting on the power out of the sauce and then carrying that speed all the way through. The other thing is we are at spa and it could change. I'm looking at sky now and even though the light's fading you can tell it's quite cloudy in dark and there might be rain up there. But the weather has been fairly stable. The problem with the FW 44, one of its several problems, this is has been a sensitivity to win. That's what I think Latifi was on for Q two in Hungary. And the wind sort of just picked him up at the final corner in spanner. And Alban had a mistake there too, and it's particularly sensitive. So without that, they've had a really consistent, nice car to drive, and it's not all about what they're doing on a straight, because yes, that dominates the first part of that, but then the rest of its medium speed, and they're still picking up pace there and staying round about. You know, I have to consider, obviously, with driver ratings that Alban's ideal time was 7th and he only got 9 and say how much do you count that against him? I'm being a bit flippant there. And actually, actually, Q three, I think, was his slowest qualifying lap because he ended Q one and 6. 6th and was tempting Q two and then basically for Q three, they were like, with grid penalties, we know we're not coming out of this any lower than 6, which is what he got. So flat out, it was a bit ragged few mistakes clipping the gravel in a couple of places. But they knew he wouldn't qualify any further up and it's also why their strategy was a bit offbeat. They Williams thought that the track evolution was still playing a part, but it sort of plateaued. So they sent them out early in clean air. So that meant no toe to maximize speed, but they knew they were already quick on a chemical straight. But they were also like Mercedes. They've had a really big problem with getting their tyres in a window. So they thought, nope, we're going to have the track all to ourselves, no traffic, no doubt yet, and we're going to manage these to perfection, and it's what they did. It's a really, really impressive lap. The best of his best about one's return to F one. And he I was looking doing some number crunching bet and every managed at Toro Rosso. And the only top grid spots was four lots of fourth places at Red Bull, so to do that in a Williams. And yes, I know Russell got a second here last year, but that's a really, really impressive result. And they are expecting to go backwards tomorrow. But I maybe a slight prediction. I reckon he can gain a place come look on because if he's quick out of resource, if he races well into the first corner for his good on the power up there, with that low drag William and a bit of a what's in 6th place. So what's quadruple plus one? That much of a toe. Maybe you can pick up a place in a braking zone into Lake on, but it was a great performance. And this comes as well, sort of, you know, coming into this second part of the season with effectively having really cut his ties to Red Bull and signed a contract extension at Williams, and announcement, there was sped up because Williams wanted to take him off the driver market and amongst all the sort of Alonso and Vettel funds. So yes, lots of driver market fund, more of that today as well. Our colleague Adam Cooper reported that Alpine are looking at signing Pierre gasly for next year, obviously has a contract with AlphaTauri, but as we know in Formula One contracts are often only worth the piece of paper, they are written on could lead to IndyCar stark, Colton herson, may be coming in at AlphaTauri. So yeah, definitely lots of interesting stuff going on there in the market. So yeah, really stress you go and read that story up one also sport dot com. And Matt, thank you very much for joining me. It's been another really good day at spa, a jumbled up grid Max Verstappen quickest in qualifying won't be on pole, but from 15th on the grid, I think it would take a very foolish man or woman to rule him out of potentially winning tomorrow's Belgian Grand Prix. Make sure you join us for tomorrow's Belgian Grand Prix
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"And he just wasn't doing it. Now he's unlucky in Bahrain, Oklahoma tapped him around at the start, actually ends up having a big impact on his result at the end, right? Miami, crashing into Sebastian Vettel, that was that's why he's rankings loadouts. Why is down in 19 in the pure numbers average, right? Because it was just a lost his head at that point. And then you have a massive accident again in Monaco. Is the Saudi situation right? You can't crash massively like that and not let it affect your score. And there was big pressure on him, and I think the team were very honest about that is that we have to see something soon. He has to he has to finally step up, or he was in danger there. He did do it. He was brilliant at Silverstone. It would have been a very unfortunate if Max Verstappen's defense and his sort of half half attacking had all gone wrong. What's interesting there is that I think it does unfortunately show what kind of Schumacher he is. I don't think that's would have defended as he did against his dad. And also Michael would have just gone in a minute. What are you doing? I'll have you off the road and it will be your fault. But Nick wouldn't have done that. So he sort of interesting there. But still, let's take the positives as I've said, we don't think there are any bad formula on drivers, they're just different rates of good, right? At least he has seemed to have stepped up. He is made the most of some of those opportunities and well done to him. Yeah, I thought his Austria weekend was very good. What he was qualified well, then in the sprint he was kept saying that I'm faster and faster, and there was a little bit of needle there, actually, between the two half drivers, but yeah, and then I think executed it very well in the race and you look up performances like that and you're like, okay, you can do it. That really, I think, has proven a lot of people wrong about sort of saying, oh, is he ever going to score points? And what is he doing? So I think now in the second half of season, he's got to really get the update from spar onwards on that car and really just sort of say right, this is my seat. This is why I'm on the grid. This is what I can do. And deliver it week in week out because we've seen glimpses of it this season, but it needs to be a bit more consistent. A Pierre and Yuki at alpha tauri, how are they doing? And they seem to be having fun if that counts for anything. But what have they got to do in the second half of the season to make this a good year do you think? Lots as a teammate powering now. They're collectively bottom bottom as gasly 16th tsunoda 19th. Tsunoda, some massive shunts and big arrows even at the weekend spinning over hungry. Okay, it's sort of an anonymous one, but your ship's three places and you shouldn't have done it. And in the same way that Norris and annihilating Ricardo helps his hopes his order, the fact that das liens and sonoda competitive are all can flip quite often in what is, let's be honest, it's a really bad car with the ATO three. That's what bought them both down together. The fact that gasly a race when it hasn't distanced tsunoda, but cenote is not having a great season either. So they've held each other a down. What they're finding is that it's a far less consistent cards what they had last year and gasly compared it to 2018 when he was with Toro Rosso. And some weekends, the car would absolutely be hooked up and perfect, and we saw that in the second race that season in Bahrain where he finished fourth and everyone went, oh, this is Red Bull's great new hope and Honda of finally made it work and everything. And the highs are high, but the lows are pretty low, and they're more regular. And yet, we haven't seen that kind of Pierre himself like he's very pleased with the job he's done this year. And he's trying to be more and more of a leader if I answer. But they are really, really struggling. They waited for so long for those updates and put them on the car, and they've not really done a lot. And there's still really confused by what it's doing. Sonoda, he actually asked him in France when we spoke, so what would you rate your season out of ten? And he said, I'll give it a 7 before, he said, I'll give it a 7. But before silverson and Canada were too bad weekends, he gave 8.3, which is quite precise with him. By wonder what now after France and Hungary as well because it's sort of, yeah, it's a bit of a slide and you're kind of wondering at the beginning of the season. You seem far more consistent like you knew a bit more what he was doing, which is something he's said himself. But now we're sort of seeing a few of those arrows slip in again. I think with gas these leaks, the inconsistent car is reflected in his driving and unfortunately that reflects poorly on him like, for example, making that track limits mistake in qualifying in Hungary, right? But with sonoda, some are the areas of being shot. It was just straight out of the pit lane. He's really poor, like really, really poor. And then Tapping his teammate around at Silverstone. It's like, what saves him really is that we tend to say three years in the third season, you expect a massive step from the driver. So if this is still happening in a year's time, because we expect him to carry on an AlphaTauri, let's face it.
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Sort of got walked back a little bit and then last weekend, and I was saying, oh, we're fully but publicly saying fully behind Daniel Ricciardo because he has a contract here. Like why wouldn't be? Wouldn't we be? Surely that would be seen as a failure, that two years at McLaren will just be a failure because he hasn't got the grip of for whatever reason of this car. And it would be, if it didn't work out at Aston, then that would just be what could have been potentially an amazing career potential world championship winning career. Kind of squandered with bad decisions. What do you think about that Ricardo leaving McLaren now thing? Well, if his career were to end with a two year stint Aston Martin where he doesn't win a world title, then he gave up the Red Bull. Red Bull wanted to keep him. They offered him the same deal that Verstappen was on in 2018 to going into 2019. So then that would logically play out that it was his decision making that costing the chance to be in a world title fight because Red Bull did come good, but it was Verstappen's squad. I can understand why Ricardo made the decision he did. But in terms of McLaren, I mean, Andrea said, I have so much respect for him. He talked to anyone, because anyone who worked at him, Porsche, back in the day and BMW now with McLaren. He just leads that race team and that squad so well. It really, really, and a really nice man as well actually, while we were having some difficulties with a security guard, not understanding how time worked at the French Grand Prix in an access to the pit lane to view the car presentations to see all the updates last weekend. Walk past the McLaren garage. And Andrea said it was there on our colleague Oleg from GPS. He said Andreas. Can we please walk through your walk through your garage to get into the pit lane? He was like, yes, of course. I'll lead you through, so it was a mark of the man. He's a very, very, very humble man, really good. So of course he's going to back Ricardo. The problem with cardo had last year was the sort of the breaking and what he was doing at corner entry, finding it really, really tricky and I suspect my understanding is that that's what's been still not resolved. The breaking is different with these new cars, the understand that's inherent with the new pirellis and the fact that venturi tunneled ground effect cars are just awful in the slow speed corners. I think he's struggling with that massively. But it's what that Brown saying above everything else as the ultimate boss of McLaren that should really worry so really, this should really worry Ricardo fans in terms of seeing him at McLaren because you don't make the comments that he made around Monaco time. If you really are fully backing your driver and you also don't load up your junior program with impressive Indy car drivers and offer them F one tests and keep talking about their potential to be in to Formula One. Lando Norris is key committed his future to the long haul. That seat is sewn up. If Ricardo was also signed up in McLaren's mind, okay, you want to have a junior program, but these aren't exactly 16, 17 year olds racing in formula formula three and formula two. Established stars in their own right and they're very impressive. So it doesn't look good for his McLaren future. He does have a contract, however, but as we know, let's not talk about IndyCar contracts because that's a massive controversy at the moment when it's fully. But Formula One contract, if McLaren want him gone and Aston Martin want him and arrangement will be found. It just will. With the McLaren also, it strengthens their IndyCar hand, doesn't it to show that pathway, like they're becoming like a cross Atlantic power. So it would be great for F one. It would be great for the team to get someone in from America from IndyCar to join the team. And I agree with Alex. I think the relationship was Ricardo. I think both parties are actually quite sensible and have tried to make it work. But for whatever reason it isn't. So it's a bit like throwing good money after bad, isn't it? He shouldn't stay just for the sake of trying to make it work. Perhaps it's time to there's an obvious slot that he could feel. They can throw in someone that they've already put that put that first sort of olive branch out to. I think it makes the more I think about it, the more I think that Ricardo goes to Aston and you get someone else into that second seat from North America. Well, I hope for Alistair that we have answered more questions than perhaps we've asked, or maybe that's a whole bunch of stuff you're thinking about now. Before we go, we can't leave without a word on Sebastian Vettel's career as a whole from that Toro Rosso arrival on that an immense win in the wet and those world championships. We'll start with Alex come to you first for your thoughts on his looking back as a career as a whole. I mean, as a career as a whole, what a career. One of the great Formula One careers. But it's got the caveat of it's not the greatest Formula One or one of the greatest Formula One careers, right? For several reasons. I mean, just think back to the Red Bull era when he was the up and coming kid. He was superb. He was going on Top Gear and doing impressions of Nigel Mansell and he's an Anglo file and things like that. He really, people really liked him and then he became the winning machine and people stopped liking him, which is a very unfair of course because what was he supposed to do? Not win with the quick whilst clearly the quickest car. But just thinking about he's been interesting thinking about Vettel's whole career and how things develop. It always used to frustrate me when I was still at school and for university. He had that reputation of not being an overtaker, simply because he won from the front, which is, of course, of course, nonsense, go and look at the 2011 Italian Grand Prix in that party putting on Fernando Alonso. Go and learn. There's a race. It might even be the 2011 Australian Grand Prix as a party makes into what that obliterated. He could do it. Yeah, okay. He made mistakes such as spa 2010, but I always found that reputation undeserved. Yeah, I think I took 2013
Box of Neutrals
"toro rosso" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"Magic number 6 9 three. Follow us to 6 9 three. Neutral. A couple of news stories to get out of the way in wrapping up the Azerbaijan Grand Prix this week. One is related to a country that is, well, it says connected to Azerbaijan as azerbaijanis to Canada. So I guess it's not that funny, but South Africa is on the well could well be on the calendar for 2023. That's the story anyway, stephano Dominica flew to presumably Johannesburg because that's where Kyle a means and he's chatting. Maybe over some tea or some coffee who knows a local delicacy perhaps. About the return of the South African Grand Prix as soon as next year, which seems very sudden, very sudden, not enough time for the South African equivalent of to be on the steam roller too. Personally, turn the first sod at the construction site. So, yeah, it's remarkable to think that we almost need promotion relegation with a lot of these things. For every one race that we throw out this three waiting in the wings and go, oh yeah, because we did this one, we're going to just have another three Grand Prix because it's clearly the calendar is the calendar. Is that false? That's why this is occurring. Yeah, and this is the thing. So we're 22 races now. The maximum is 25, even though the sport has said the maximum in theory is 23. Let's ignore that for a second. We've got 22 now. We've got China's men to come back next year. We don't know if it will, but it should. 23. Catarrh, 24. Las Vegas, 25. South Africa, 26, something has to give. The races we know that are out of contract are Monaco, Spain, and Belgium. Are we going to lose all three of them in one year? Yeah. I feel like the, as you know, Michael, the Monaco Grand Prix, and the Monaco to have a director go hand in hand. Director. There is no Monica Grand Prix. And imagine the history and presage of the Monaco Grand Prix just literally at the hands of the teve director. Imagine that rotting that history book one day. If I make people don't know the name, they're not credits in the formula on broadcasts. I wonder if someone I want to humanize the tape that direct to show Monica. So that's how you keep an eye out for maybe in the next week or next couple of weeks, the South African Grand Prix who knows where it'll appear on the calendar. But that'll mean Formula One races on every inhabited continent. Well, it's a world championship, so it's so it should, so it should. The other news, close to our hearts, or will be close to our hearts, is Oscar piastre, who needs to have an announcement made about his future soon, or else as is reportedly the case he can leave Alpine and go and find his own seat. But Alpine have apparently secured him a seat or about to our very close screwing in the seat. Ash Williams in 2023, presumably replacing Nicholas Latifi, although neither driver Williams is confirmed, so theoretically could be anyone, but probably a nucleus that he could use in it. Which means next year, probably, or presumably, while at a minimum, there will be two Australian drivers contracted on the grade. Yes, which we haven't seen since coincidentally when Daniel Ricciardo and Mark was. In law. Obviously Dan was at the then Toro Rosso squad. So it was, yeah, that will be how I feel about it, but I feel like William is at the moment, obviously with their other side where, well, we can obviously bankroll a lot of the other stuff we don't really need someone to come in. Wave a checkbook around and walk around and tell me all the mechanics and engineers how to do that job. Like every great motor sport period has ever done before. So they're very much at the moment quite. They're self sufficient, but they've just gone off Broadway. They're just doing their own thing. They're not making a big song in dance about their performances that letting it speak volumes out on track. And it's remarkable because a team like Williams has almost, I want to say revived Alex Albon's F one career, but it's almost repaired his reputation because he had an outstanding reputation in his first stint at a Toro Rosso. The AlphaTauri. So, of course, he's confident gets whacked with his early time at Red Bull in the sandy team and now he's just slowly chipping away. It's an interesting one, isn't it? You can make an argument either way, and of course the signing of Sergio Pérez has really thrown a spanner in the works of a lot of other drivers because of the way the Red Bull pipeline is intersecting with obviously Alex Albon and all that kind of thing. So it's more complicated than that. And then, of course, we've got to wonder, well, that presumably means Fernando Alonso sticking around, which is no great surprise, but for how long. And then Esteban Oakland, you have to pick up the pace. The driver market feels really ink in the interconnected at the moment. The next couple of years could be very interesting. Yes. Just my robs to drama is predictions on then Ricardo to come to fruition, reckon the color green. Very.
Past Gas
"toro rosso" Discussed on Past Gas
"So how is Carlos signed seniors experience and legendary status as a WRC driver, set Carlos signs junior up for success in Formula One? Well, for one, junior grew up around cars. He was doing donuts in the backyard in an electric cart by age two. At age 5, he had an indoor go kart track at home. Okay. One of his first memories in a race car was riding in a rally car with his dad in Portugal around 5 or 6. That's pretty cool. Junior recalls being shocked by the speed and not being able to see over the dashboard. He said it was like being in a roller coaster without knowing what was in front of me. By age ten, when junior was old enough to show his own interest in racing, his dad had retired from WRC. So junior spent most of his time watching another Spaniard compete in Formula One, Fernando Alonso. Carlos senior took a son to the Spanish Grand Prix. Fernando Alonso won the event and junior got to meet him afterwards. It was at that race that Carlos signs junior asked his dad to help him become a Formula One driver like his hero Fernando Alonso. Man, I'd love to just be able to ask my dad maybe a Formula One driver. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Junior describes his decision to drive Formula One as, quote, 90% about his own choice and 10% may be influenced by his family. He grew up around rally cars and racing, but he also watched Formula One with his dad. So how does rally driving compare to driving Formula One? Ayrton Senna once took a weekend off to drive rally cars, and he described the difference like this. In rally, you're improvising the whole time. In an F one race car, you know exactly what to do at any given corner. You know where there's a runoff area where you have to go over the curves, and you know every undulation because you have to do everything 100 times over during a day of tests. In a rally car, everything is much more instinctive, and there's no margin for error. My only problem was that I didn't want to stop driving. It was the coolest day I had since I moved to England. I want to try a rally car real bad. Dude, I want to, did you see that video of the Ford Raptor? Doing this little, it's like a 50 foot jump, but it looks small, but the driver broke his back. Oh my God, no. Like, broke vertebra three times. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, last week, and I went out to Iowa and drove those pontiacs around. Yeah, that looks so fun. Kevin junkyard digs his little improvised Rallycross course in his backyard. And it was a lot of fun, but I was like, damn, I gotta try this unlike a faster car, or maybe just another Pontiac who knows. It was a good time though. Whatever the case between rally and Formula One, Carlos signs junior fell in love with F one and his dad approved. Senior describes himself as a proud father who helps when he can, but admits he mostly follows his son's career like any other fan. Somehow I don't believe that. Yeah. By age 14, Carlos Sainz Jr. was serious about racing specifically go karts. He won the Asia Pacific KF three title and got runner up in the Spanish championship. In 2009 he won the junior Monaco kart cup and was the runner up in the KF three championship. Do they do carts on the Monaco F one circuit? Or there's got to be a track, right? Probably. Because I would love to drive a cart on the Monaco. It actually would those hairpin turns would be fun. Yeah. Oh yeah. Instead of the bane of my existence when I play the F one game. He was a guest driver at the formula BMW Pacific series it's a pain. He was ineligible to score points because of his guest driver status, but his second and fourth place finishes landed him a spot on the Red Bull junior team. Oh yeah, forgot about that. I did not know he was a Red Bull guy. Yeah. Makes sense 'cause he's a bullfighter. 'cause he's a Spanish. We're boiling things down to one aspect right now. Hey. Hey. By 2015, Carlos Sainz Jr. had a seat in Formula One driving for Toro Rosso, where he stayed for two and a half years before moving to Renault. That's right. He was Max Verstappen's teammate at Toro Rosso. Carlos is pretty easygoing. I wonder what their team dynamic was like. Probably cordial. Cordial colloquial. So he stayed for two and a half years before moving to Renault, McLaren, and finally Ferrari in 2021, where he remains to this day. He's doing all right. He's had some bad luck. Doing all right. Getting some good midfield finishes, but this is a fast car. He should be getting top three. Yeah. Carlos Sainz Jr. showed steady improvement through his 7 full seasons Formula One, finishing 15th, 12th, 9th, tenth, 6th, 6th again, and 5th in 2021. His first with Ferrari. This year he's reached the podium in each of the first two events of the season. And as of today, he's currently in 5th, this is being recorded before the Miami GP. So please don't send us corrections on that. We are in the past. Although I'm really excited for their Miami GP looks very fun. Probably going to be a hoot for anyone who goes. Junior describes his second place finish to leclerc, his best finish to that date as one of his most disappointing days in Formula One, because he finished behind someone driving the same car as him. Yeah, I could see that, man. Yeah. Nothing to complain about except your own driving. Carlos signs junior is firmly in the spotlight these days. He's known for his work ethic. His tenacity and his ability to adapt to conditions and think outside the box to get the most out of his car. People said the same thing about his dad. Junior's career is just taking off, but Carlos signs senior isn't done yet either. Since his retirement in 2004, senior has been competing in the annual Dakar rally, a grueling off road endurance race which signs has won three times, most recently in 2020 at the age of 58, making him the oldest driver to win the rally. In 2022, he drove for Audi and became the first driver to win a stage of the Dakar rally in an electric car. In extreme E I watched that race. That was cool. Yeah, he's in that as well. With Carlos signed seniors showing no signs of stopping and junior just entering the prime of his career, it seems the signs family isn't going anywhere. Junior has even talked about doing the Dakar rally himself one day. Quote, the Dakar, I will give it a go, but by that time my dad will probably be over 70 years old and I will hope by then for the health of my mom and himself, he's still not racing. So far, neither of them has shown any signs of slowing down. Both determined to keep driving and winning in their respective fields. Like father, like son. Sort of. I feel like junior has had bad luck this season in Formula One. He keeps getting smashed into, it's not even his fault. He said he definitely, he's just a run of bad luck. Yeah. Hopefully something changes his form because it's hard now for me to root for one single driver. I root for all the guys at the same time, but I just want to see him do well because he does seem like a pretty deserving guy and he's got a great work ethic and he's never on the radio talking smack about the car or his team or whatever. He's just a solid dude. A lot of these drivers are rich kids obviously who feel entitled.
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Sort of saying, I could be like the big Australian success story if you get the Red Bull seat because yeah, you lost the ashes and everything and he laughed it off quite well but yeah he's been brilliant I think for I think for both teams like in even Toros I mean he I think did very, very well. He wasn't like a million miles ahead of January vern, but he was more consistent. He was a better qualifier and I'll say that careers have gone a very different path since. So yeah, good ranking. It also, for me, he fits what Red Bull, like Red Bull refund team. I think maybe you could say it's the pressure at the top of art maybe. I think F one was lots of things last year, but it wasn't fun because it was too much angst and whatever, but Ricardo. He's just always a smiley happy kind of guy. You want him in F one in 18. And he fitted the Red Bull, we're coming in, we're having a joke and a laugh, but actually we're really serious as well. And he kind of that's what he feels like to me, a fungi, but wow, he can also really deliver. And I think Red Bull has lost something a little bit with him with him going, both in and out of the car. He likes my surname. Oh, he does like your surname. Made a point of saying press conference. He doesn't have to type it into the magazine every week. Do you have to do that? Is it not just I always say in the top of your name for one reason or another? When we check into hotels, I always get called mister Smith and Alex will get called mister Alex, because I don't mind that. As someone with, we got very boring. If you were to Google yourself or someone at the old spot was now, they were like, oh, find yourself on LinkedIn, and I put in Luke Smith and obviously, I was like the 50th Luke Smith. Well, actually, just before we come on to the top two, I think it's worth you mentioned John Eric vern there. Were there any other real contenders to making the list? From the really early days, not cleanly. I think a little bit like way me really similar sort of way in the algorithm that didn't quite and probably vern and way me the two that had the best careers. Subsequently. So yeah, if you're doing a red ball list as opposed to one, I think they would be stronger candidates. He was certainly a certainly a contender, yeah. Jeff is one of my sort of big what if moments for drivers because obviously he kind of fell through the gaps a bit after Vettel announced his exit and they sort of had to quickly scramble because I think by then they'd already announced it was going to be out and Verstappen at Toro Rosso for 2015 and then they had to quickly rethink. So Jeff already knew he was out so they couldn't really go, oh, we're going to now put you into Red Bull or what are we going to do? And he's claimed that he was told that if Vettel were to leave, then he would have got that Red Bull seat. How true that is, obviously, we don't know for sure, but it does sort of make you think because he wasn't a million miles off Ricardo. Ricardo was clearly the best driver. But you do sort of wonder like, had he had they gone? Oh, no, we don't want to give it to you. He's not had enough time. Let's put jev as Ricardo and Jeff rebel in 2015, how different things might have been for him. Again, a big what if question? Yeah, it just shows you sometimes it can be just a minor thing or a little bit of time in one way or the other. I think it's great that he's gone and had a champion in formula E and whatever. So he's a professional racing driver and all that sort of stuff. The bigger what F is the effector doesn't leave when science doesn't come into Formula One. Presumably we never have a career in Formula One because we know Red Bull got him in. Let's move on to the top two and as we usually do with the cars that these podcasts that we've done these lists, these rankings in the past and we did last time with Ferrari, we'll talk about our announce that the order before Kevin explained why they're in that particular order. And this one would annoy people on Twitter because they misunderstand that it's not about who's better now. It's about who's been better and had a bigger impact for Red Bull. So number two is the reigning champion, Max Verstappen, raced for toro ros all through 2015, partway through 2014 before getting promoted to Red Bull caveats expenses. We've said he's completed a 141 races. That's 23, we told Ross 718 with Red Bull one 20 times and of course that incredible title last season. But the number one Kevin your ranking of top ten Red Bull drivers is Sebastian Vettel. Race Victor Russo in 2007 and 2008. 2009 to 2014 with Red Bull. That's a 138 races in total 25 to a 113 Red Bull very similar numbers to Verstappen there. 39 Wednesday, so Vettel comfortably leading the way there. One of course famous seafood tourists in the wet Monday 2008, 38 for Red Bull and those four titles. Is that ultimately what it comes down to, the difference in a number of titles? Sort of, yes, it's kind of all tied up into the impact with the team. And Vettel will forever be the person that was the first driver to win. Well, the only drive on this is to win for both tour also and Red Bull. It gave ripple its first win red bullets first title for consecutive championships, double championships. So if I was doing a list of greatest racer drives, I would probably already have max ahead of Seb. I think Verstappen has already got to a point where he's better than said, was it his peak?.
The Autosport Podcast
"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"But yeah, I think Webb is contribution to Red Bull was like a match if you like for D.C., but his results are also better. Before we do anything else, a ton of feathers, I mean, I know a ton of bricks. It's the same weight. But why feathers? Well, because they're soft, aren't they? It's still a ton. Have you not heard this sign before, my shame my age? Have you not heard the come down in life on the feathers? No. What's that from? Perhaps people that wears that older ways for us just to say. Yeah, we're kind of bricks. No, because they didn't come down to them hard. That's my point. They didn't come down on Vettel. Throwing some sorry about that. I'll update my metaphors and similes lists. And for a younger another list that you've written, there you go. Okay, what should we discuss number three? And then we can see whether you agree with the order. It's Daniel Ricciardo. Joe Toro Rosso between 2012 and 2013, Red Bull 2014 to 2018 a 139 times across the two squads that in Avatar also a hundred nice round figure with Red Bull 6 7 wins and he is the problem Red Bull really prayers is getting there but I haven't been able to solve in that he's the superstar he was there able to make the difference in races like Hungary 2019 where gasly couldn't. So why is Ricardo number three? Well, he's because I think he's mega basically. And I think we've seen he's actually kind of, I think, gone up in my estimation since he left Red Bull, not necessarily because of what he's done at other teams although it's great. It was great to see him win it Monza with McLaren. But because of how they have struggled to replace him, no one's got anywhere. The Max Verstappen is an incredible talent. I won't say once in a generation because actually I think we've got two or three potentially on a similar level, but the next big thing. And Ricardo beat him in 2017. I quite comprehensively okay max was still making silly errors and things. But even at start 2018, it was max creamed into all at Monaco Ricardo wins the race with despite a power unit problem. When they had that opportunity in China, it was max that decides to try and drive around the outside and lose Hamilton in a high speed corner goes off the road Danny goes past passes everyone wins it. He was showing max how to do it and I think that him being there and being that good probably did help make max a better driver because you could see what the other car was doing, which is something you have and you could say it doesn't need now. But I think Ricardo really he's worse the reason he's only three at this. This is timing. He blew Ethel into the weeds in 2014. If he'd been around four years earlier, could he have done what he did in that car? I think he probably could have done it. I think he was good enough to be a multiple world champion in environment, but he's between great Red Bull periods. So it's what 7 7 wins. Almost all of which were mega. He's definitely a winner of great Grand Prix. So yeah, I think he's the driver that Red Bull is still trying to replace and it's what we're into the fourth season since he left. Leek Ricardo three Weber at four. How do you feel about those? I think that's absolutely boss on. I think that Weber, yeah, he was, I think, I agree, probably the best number two driver that you've got on this list. And I think that I think 2010 was when he was at his peak and I think I'm pretty sure he said that himself even. He did a very good podcast with Jay comfrey, sort of talking about mindset mentality and stuff and he said how sort of 2010. Yeah, he gave everything and that was where he really peaked and that it was but as you said and stuff, it just didn't give him any confidence in the team to sort things out and he had their backing. A bit of a what if for you? So remember interlagos in 2010 because Webb was the lead Red Bull and driving the points and Vettel one and then they could have sorted them around. And they didn't, which with hindsight now looks like gene genius move. But if they had done that and whether it would have been further ahead, would the final race to play out differently. Or would it have longs I beaten the both of the championship? I think they would have and I'm pretty sure web's addresses himself as well that they didn't, they could have backed one horse and basically said, write everything behind you to go for the title. And the fact they didn't, yeah, did they lose that championship because they were so focused on having sort of like both of the minute on keeping vessels of the one the kid, the guy they've really put us through. I mean, in the end, he was effectively a distraction for Ferrari. He was focusing on Weber that allowed vessel to just he actually drove a normal race. A normal strategy for that Grand Prix and Ferrari got there, got the neckers in the twist chasing after Webber, and then they both got marred in the book. But anyway. But for Weber could you not take it back further to the crashing career? Yes. The championship really was lost. Even if it doesn't win that race, that's what really cost them. Yeah, they definitely. But no, I think it's a fair ranking. I think Ricardo, I think we've seen the difficulty that they've had in replacing him. I think that yeah, all of his performances through that time at Red Bull were fantastic. Yeah, I think you put Ricardo in last year's car and they pretty comfortably win the constructor's championship. Oh, completely agree. I'd be interested to know max Windsor drives though. Interesting. Because is he close enough to, I mean, I think in a way, it was a smart move. You can see why Ricardo led he could see that he wasn't going to be the prodigy. The Red Bull was already leaning, even when he was actually matching max than the momentum within the team was shifting. Maxwell's obviously going to get any worse as a driver. He was like, I don't maybe he didn't want to be in the Mark Webber situation. I'm not going to put me away. Yeah, but it was like the Baku accent. That's what he put in drive to survive, that he just didn't feel the team handled it very well in terms of resolving that. And yeah, it was quite clear to him, I think the writing was on the wall. So sorry, a good time to go out. The parallels in the way that they handle Vettel Weber and Verstappen Ricardo, I think maybe it's an Australian thing called Red Bull anti Australian. That's not a theory. No, no, no, I don't think that's it. That theory doesn't really stand up now. No, I think yeah, absolutely spot. And I think that I really enjoyed my first few years in F one were when Ricardo was at Red Bull and I think he once made a drive at him about the ashes when he was in a toro so media session, he gave me the middle finger and I was.
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"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"I think that and not even necessarily because we have had quite a debate about whether the amount of time he saved actually made the crucial difference and it kind of boils down to how much time you think they'd have lost behind the safety. It's quite nip and tuck and it just made it hard for Mercedes in a cypress situation. It's the nature of the way we put up a fight. You know, I think that the criticism against Bottas Mercedes is that he's a better overall number two. But when it comes to wheel to wheel stuff like the number of times he fell out of the way of Verstappen during this. In fact, the best defense I can remember been doing to a FrontRunner all year was when he held Lewis up in space. Where his Perez turns it on at those moments and I think that's bought him a bit of time over overall level of performance hasn't quite been there. Yeah, definitely. Such is the one that stands out when both Bottas and Verstappen had those penalties and it was Bottas starting ahead of his app and so basically he was going to be the blockade. He was going to keep max back. And then he simply didn't. I didn't do that job, whereas, yeah, Perez did when he had to do. I think we mentioned turkey earlier as well. I mean, that was some really, really bold defense against Lois. And I think, yeah, we've, again, we've seen glimpses. I'm excited to see what Jacko can do this year, but it is just a case of like, who's on the rise who might be there to take that seat in the future because it is a top team and yeah, you've really got to take advantage and seize the moment when you're in that position. Well, let's move on to numbers 7 and 6 because we'll do those together so you guys can have a nice argument about them. I'm really intrigued to see why you've come for number 6. Anyway, at 7, it's Pierre gasly. His team is handful of races in 2017 for what was the entire Russo race for them in 2018, promoted to Red Bull for 2019, but demoted back to Toro Rosso slash AlphaTauri, midway through that season. In total, he's comedian 86 races with Red Bull squads taking victory in 2020 Italian Grand Prix, no titles of course. And then at number 6, it's Carlos Sainz Jr., who only ways for Toro Rosso, erased from them between 2015 and 1920 17, 56 races, no wins, no titles. Why have you got science at number 6? Why is gasly at 7? So I suspect that our nature disagreement might come down to how much the waiting of the time at Red Bull is, because if you go based on just their time in the B team, then the gasly argument is very strong. Obviously you want a race for a star, but it's not just that he's been at a high performance level. But I think he's so spectacularly missed the mark with these chance at the a team. And yes, all the things we've said already about being Max Verstappen's teammate apply, but he didn't get with the program. He really accepted being in that role, I know he upset people in the team. He not only was he a long way off in qualifying, which you've seen with albon and Perez. He also he didn't race as well as albon did, even though he had more. He really like that that was an enormous he smashed it over the bar at a penalty that in my view. And he's tasted that at the front. And he has been brilliant at Torrey. But Uzi had alongside him. He hasn't had anyone to really worry him. We hope he's got some potential if he can stop driving into solid objects. And I'm glad he's got another chance, actually, because he's really likeable guy, right? But who's he being measured against? Now, if he went and put Max Verstappen on Lewis Hamilton in that car, the last couple of years, would they like, how good is it? Maybe it's really good. It's really difficult to gauge where it's at. Whereas if you look at science, we do them together. Yeah, he didn't get a chance. Well, I think that's down to circumstances. I think if he's a couple of years earlier, he predates the Verstappen situation. If he's a couple of years later, he joins now. He's their solution that they should have. But he was at the wrong time. He was there at the site of Toros at the same times of stepping, out qualified him ten 9, had a bit of bad luck in races over staff and school more points and obviously there was the Verstappen in science families weren't getting on great and there was the whole Verstappen put pressure on Red Bull to get him in the car, right? So he gets the Red Bull gig. Caveat steps down and science completely destroys him and is a brilliant midfield performer in the way that gasly has been, but when the midfield is further away. So he's driving the Chinese Grand Prix I think it was 2017. He was 7th. Miles ahead of the midfield, but that was a time when we had the big three and they were a lap down the road sort of thing. So for me, science is the guy that got away and Gaz is the guy that they don't really want even though he's performed in the B team. McLaren M Ferrari's gain with science, am I thinking that you would have them the other way around? Yeah, I would definitely flip them the other way around because when I saw this list first, I thought I was going to be Red Bull drivers like as in they've driven for Red Bull Racing and obviously and science is the only one on this list. He didn't drive for Red Bull Racing. And I therefore I think you've just got to compare them on the AlphaTauri sort of contribution and what they've done and avatar also. And for me, I mean gasly has been, I think he's just been fantastic ever since he returns to that team. I think that his performances through 2020 and 21 have just been brilliant. Okay, he's maybe not had the strongest opposition, but he had I think he had a pretty solid teammate in caveat through 2020. And he was a step ahead of him. And I think in last year he was able to regularly take the fight to the McLaren's and the Ferraris basically single handedly scored more than a hundred points in the AlphaTauri, which I think was a really impressive feat, given it was the 5th or 6th fastest car. So I think he's done a lot. And I think, yeah, okay, it's time at Red Bull it was. It was very, very difficult. And he didn't perform and he should have done better. I mean, particularly in races, I think his last race in Hungary got lapped by Verstappen, which was a pretty galling thing to watch, and but again, we saw him sort of like he was clearly struggling. His head dropped, and it was a similar thing to give you that way, he just loses this confidence. But then he got back to Toro Rosso, after he now. And it came back and he's really, really at home there. And I think that he's been able to fit so, so nicely. And I think he's contributed more than science did in his stint with the Toros. Yeah, that's all that's all fair. I mean, I was one of the things I was looking at is how they compared to Verstappen when they were teammates doing science did better, but then you said, well, max was early on in his career, so it's not straight. Circumstances. I guess my question for gasly is or about gasly is, is he a haunted old friend, Giancarlo fisichella guy, who's really good in the midfield and driving car that's a bit meh. And then they get into a top car and they're just not really there. Or is it just bad timing and if you've got another chance, would you be brilliant? Whereas I think we've already kind of know the answer for.
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"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"He still steered. He did. Incredible. It's instilled in the air. But there weren't any, I don't know, there weren't any performances, but we like even with album. I mean, I think it was China. I want to say we had a crash in FP three and I think then had to I believe. And then he was able to really charge back up the order and he put in a really, really good display. And yeah, although I think there was some weekends where you were as Kev said, it's a bit of inconsistency. He was, I thought he was very good with Toros, so he earned that promotion to Red Bull after the decision to obviously drop Pierre gasly back to Toro Rosso. And then yeah, I mean, okay, he was in yeah, probably the second quickest car on the grid. So he was always going to be competitive. But the fact is, I mean, with Alban as well, we could quite easily be talking about him as a potential Grand Prix winner. I mean, obviously we had the incident in Austria in 2020 when he got clipped by it by Lewis Hamilton when the tyre strategy was working towards him. You think of interlagos as well in 2019. Again, he was looking set for that first podium and again it was Lewis Hamilton who may contact with him. So yeah, so I think that although he's probably hasn't done enough with Red Bull's justify being any further up the order. I think that yeah, I think definitely ahead of blaming algebra, I think P ten is probably a good spot for him. And I'm just really excited to see what he can do back on the grid. I think it's going to be really interesting. We know how difficult that rebel was to drive through 2020, so I think seeing with Williams and a chance to reset. I think that's going to be really cool. So yeah, very please see him on this list. I do think it would have been a bit of a disgrace how do you want that first race in 2020? Bearing in mind it was the safety car that got into consideration how far I had them say he's stuck at 11 was the Red Bull. But nevertheless, it's still in close circumstances in front of you. But let's move on to number 9. Kev, you've got Daniel. At number 9 for this list. This is going to take a little bit of the team years is going to be slightly complicated for me to explain because of all the Red Bull Toro Rosso alpha tower drivers. He's been shuffled up and down more than any of them. 2014 makes his F one debut of Toro Rosso. Immediately promoted the following season when Sebastian Vettel leaves for Ferrari. Carries on into 2016 before Max Verstappen is thrust into the Red Bull limelight. He's expense that will stop and gets his big break. 2016 rest of 2016 and 2017 spends a Toro Rosso, but again, you know, there's Brendan Hartley and everything going back into the frame, Pierre gasly is on the rise as well. 2019 and 20 at Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri. But that all adds up to make a 110 Red Bull races in inverted commas 89 for toro ros slash AlphaTauri, 21 for the Red Bull senior squad. No wins and of course no titles. But why is that at number 9? Why is he not potentially lower? He's very hard to write because he's so inconsistent and I think he's one of those drivers that let his head go down. After he was demoted from Red Bull and Max Verstappen promoted to Rossi wasn't it wasn't really at the races and he got completely thumped by someone else's higher up this list. But it's hard to overlook in completely because Red Bull known for being overly generous and hanging around if you're not delivering. The fact they've effectively given him three different opportunities. You think they must see something. And I think he's a classic case of flashes of, oh, that was good, but he just can't unlock it. His head goes down too easily, et cetera, et cetera. So, but he's in there partly for longevity of being on the program, but also he's the third highest scorer in the advertorial Rosso history of those teams. And the other two drivers are up on this. So he's kind of got to be there, but I can't see any reason to push him any higher, really. Leak cafe will give you a 9. I think that's fair. I think it's perhaps close between him and album for 9th and tenth, I would say, but I think now that said, I think that's a fair assessment for him. And yeah, he's kind of one of these drivers who I think got his chance with Red Bull really too soon because it was just a case of, yeah, the circumstances with Vettel leaving and surprising. For both of them. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it is. It is very true. There are similarities there, and I think even by the end of 2017, I want to say, I think he'd never finished a race for photograph so any higher the 9th and you had already had these starts for Red Bull and everything. And I think that, as you said, when he got demoted for that sort of 18 months where he was back at Toro Rosso before they let him go for the first time from taras. He wasn't the same. His head had clearly gone like it wasn't in a good place and he really did struggle. But then when he came back in 2019, he was really solid and consistent. I think through 20. Yeah, his performances were really, really good. I think imola stands out as one of the really, really strong performances. I think he finished fourth, I want to say, yes, I've been in the hunt for a podium. So yeah, I think that he again just maybe just didn't have the right timing, maybe didn't take advantage of the opportunities that fully came his way. But I think that he's a really solid driver obviously now working with Alpine as their reserve and sort of helping with development and stuff. And I think he's a really good asset for them there. And yeah, kind of one of these drivers that you do want to sort of how might things have found out a little bit differently. But no, I think yeah, good to see him on this list as well, because he has contributed a lot. And obviously the famous torpedo moment with Sebastian Vettel in China, all those years ago as well, which I think was quite funny. But yeah, he's definitely contributed a lot. Would you like to know that Luke and I have both raced Daniel kvyat? Yes. Oh, please tell me that he beat you. Yeah, I think he was past me before I'd got off the grid. Straight past me. There we go. But then he got blacked flag, I think, on the penultimate lap, obviously to bring him out of the race. So I was driving along and then saw Fernando Alonso over the pit entry like with this pit board and the black flag for number 26 to get out of the race. Obviously he didn't win for good, but yeah, he was just on another level to everyone else. Thanks to our people organizing that very fun event ahead of the Abu Dhabi. When, of course, we're working hard on the top 15 and I'm hearing about this. We also get on record Alex out of the two of us who qualified and finished further ahead as well, please. You did. Thank you. Yeah, it turns out I'm not a very fast racing driver. Who would have thought? Anyway, let's move on to number 8. And I'm interested about why this driver is at number 8, especially considering who's coming in. I'm so excited to reveal them together. Maybe that would be helpful..
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"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Ready to disagree? Maybe shout at care food bearing mind is your boss. He's wrangling. I don't know, don't worry about that, but I looked not person that shouts. I'm sure he'll put a constructive elegant eye than ours. He shouts less than I do, but he does have it in him. I'm talking normally. No, why did say to Kev just before we started, came into the room to record the podcast that, yeah, I said, are you ready for me to, I'm not going to do any spoilers, but there was one that I've already seen them be like. I'm not sure I agree with that. So yeah, but no, I think it's good to look back on Red Bull's history, even though it's only been what sort of 16, 17 years since I joined the grit, and as Kev said, just a huge contribution that they've made to motor sport. I mean, it's what a third of the current F one grid has come through Red Bull's ranks and there's some sort of affiliation to them, which is, yeah, massively impressive. So yeah, definitely looking forward to getting to it. I think the number one ranking that was always going to be, I think, probably between two guys as we'll get on to and that's going to be very interesting, but yeah, a good look back on all they've done. Well, hopefully it's another nice fun way of looking at these things, obviously we're looking at the same sort of things a lot of the time and the last year we did the cars. So it seemed fair to do the drivers and look at some of the stories around them. Absolutely well. Let's get into the top ten ranking. Just explain again for each entry came yoga and explain why which driver is in which slot and then leak you're going to examine Kev logic and reasoning and explanations of why it's put them in certain places. Then although plenty of them will come up as we go through the list, we'll assess the drivers that didn't quite make the cut. A little bit harder with Red Bull because there's just fewer options to choose from and out for a tower in Toro Rosso as well, of course. Let's get stuck in at number ten and it's Alexander albon, who drove, of course, made his F one debut, with toroso at the start of 2019, halfway through that season, moved across Red Bull, competing in the 2020 season before he was dropped or Sergio Pérez coming in in his place last season. 38 races in Formula One, 12 o'clock, so 26 in Red Bull, obviously he's coming back with Williams in 2022. No wins for the team, no titles for the team. Bit tricky to do that considering where people didn't have the car capable of challenging to the title during the time he was with that team. But Kev, why is albon at number ten? Yeah, tens always one of the hard spots on all these lists because by definition you're deciding who's 11th and not there for, isn't it? And I think in this case, it was probably it was probably between Alban and Sebastian Buemi. It's easy to get colored though with blame because of what he's done subsequently that isn't Red Bull. Obviously, formerly champion wet LeMond in terms of most sport on a whole, of course he's had a bigger impact than the now but you know, you can argue that. But in terms of what they did in F one, why we never made the ultimate top 50 while he was in F one with Toro Rosso. So that you normally really outstanding midfield runner does get into that sort of 50 right. So I know that's just one criteria. But also, if you look at Alban situation, you know, one minute he was a formula E driver. Then he was thrown in at Toro Rosso in the Daniel Ricciardo domino effect happened. And then he was thrust into the Red Bull, main a team. You might say what he was disappointing, but I think he was better in the races than Pierre gasly was. And actually, if you look at the points he scored compared to Max Verstappen, he compares quite favorably to Sergio Pérez last year. He wasn't perhaps up at the front enough, but then of course the car wasn't as competitive then. So actually I think Alban did consuming his lack of experience. I think he did a really good job or a solid job, and he's got an opportunity to come back to F one and see if he can have another go at it. He's a little bit inconsistent, so that's the thing he's got on out. But the reason that the other reason he got it over by him is ultimately the Red Bull junior program is to get someone into the 18. Boy we didn't make it an app on this. Yes, it's circumstances, but that is a fact. Yes, key point there with me not being promoted to the Red Bull team. But I also think it's worth considering albums complete lack of experience when he turned up in F one. In 2019, Kevin said he was one minute he was a formula E driver. He never even got that far because of the contractual wrangling that came out between the nishi dams and then the Red Bull skiing. But he was then the first time he drives an S one car he's in that test and start of 2019. I think that's a point that he's quite keen to make when it comes to his F one return in 2022. He's actually no, I know what it takes for us then I was still learning. And even while he was still learning, he earns the promotion to Red Bull halfway through the season as Pierre gasly was underwhelming. But do you think that therefore that's enough justification to keep him ahead of the special blow me or even join the algorithm? You also mentioned potentially Kevin could have taken the number ten spot. No totally. And I think that even if you just look at the performances for the sister team themselves, Alban for me stands out a lot more than way me or agus Warren did. I mean, honestly, for Sebastian, blame me the most memorable thing I think of his time in F one is the China when the wheels blew off his car like there weren't any and.
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"toro rosso" Discussed on The Free Agents
"Don't want it to be like that. I want our team to be a little bit more less tension You know working together and then handing off the torch eventually. Honestly i don't i gambled gabaldon is in this sport to win. I think that he fully intends to continue to compete for titles. I think he sees his teammate. As somebody that can take away critical championship points from him and if you look at the relationship that he had with nico rosberg which was just absolutely venomous it. I think that. I'm not sure. Will i think they'll pose both parana. Better public face than him in nico. Did i think that him in russell will do a much better job with the pr management of all of it and you'll certainly a russell's a guy that hamilton's known for a long time as a young british driver who's come up through that system now. He has known the kid for real time. But i do think for right now. Hamilton is not interested in seeing russell succeed. He's interested in succeeding awesome. I can't wait to see that. Actually go down starting next season. Our final headline is from motor sport. Dot com williams signs looks elbaum for formula. One return in twenty twenty two. Is this news. This is absolutely this is easily for me. The biggest shocker of the signings. That happened during silly season. It's it's for a lot of different reasons. First of all once you fallen out of the sport of f one fighting your way back in is incredibly difficult. So i think a lot of us wants album got dropped by red bull presumed that that would be the end of his formula one career as much as i like the guy he just didn't perform at the highest level the way that his team expected a but rebel stuck by him. They fought for him. They fought to get him back into the sport. I think this is also a really interesting choice by williams because what it does is it signals where they see themselves headed which is that. They want a young driver but a driver with experience in a top team who can hopefully help them fight further and further up the midfield. This is a very different than going with. A guy like bowe toss who is towards the end of his career album could potentially be here for many years depending on how things shake out so i thought i thought to me. It's it's of course. Album took any cd. Could get but what i think is most fascinating is what this says about the williams organization and their priorities and what they see as their potential with f. one now they've already had a pretty solid season this year. You know getting on the podium getting points even latifi. It's been and points. I think they got their first points. Maybe at hungary right before the break and then obviously russell ended up on the podium at spa albums. A legit f. One driver he struggled big time with redwood the first time around i do think he is a legit f. One driver. I think that he had the it's a it. I think that a lot of it's more mental than pure talent and that you know. Hopefully that something he can transcend here. I think that the raw driving talent is there. He showed that throughout his use. Any showed it. You know Earlier in his career when he was with toro rosso. Atari i forget which was a guy then and then he you know i think i think the thing we underestimate and we saw this with gaza we salt with albion and now associate with peres is how hard it is to be the number two driver matt red bull. That car is designed in every single. Facet or max verstappen. I think max or seven is incredibly intense guy to have as a teammate and people have always famously complained about how difficult the red bull car is to drive. Sometimes wonder if max is outside is talent disguises just how challenging car that is to handle. It's not surprising because he's so many guys flounder in the number two seat there. I personally am excited for album to have another shot and think you'll be just fine. All those deals are in place for next season deftly added layer of intrigue that all this happens during the current racing season because i don't know like boathouse signing with felpro. Mayo he like heck. I'm just going to go drive my best. And i think that's really awesome. That's all for next year for right. Now though i'm going into the number two seat to look like a total four grading your message me the other day saying you wanted to ask me some formula one questions for once in our lives. I'm ready to look ridiculous here. I know you got some sort of quiz prepared for me. It's f. one trivia. But are we seen or in a test trays knowledge. I've tried to some of the challenging sound. I think you'll know but we've got twenty points twenty trivia points on the line here so let's see you know. One of them are multi points. So let's let's ten questions. Twenty points at stake let's go. We've got three categories in a bonus round history terminology in the current grits starting with the history of the sport with seventy one races. What f one course holds the record for most grand prix held at it. It's seven nine. What are gonna guess silverstein. The british grand prix is that right. There just seems like there'd be a lot of driving there that is in crowded incorrect..
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"toro rosso" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"David them stealing contact with many as a at the person to From to learn. I mean to have as a teammate. But yeah it was a really good in politics also a great driver. I made an amazing character. These what was missing my initial. They've learn a lot more from now. You didn't get to do your first. italian As you mentioned you had the submariner going praise as you'll type you didn't get In jerusalem five you did into dozen. Six with the new system team are site. Which as you mentioned was was in transition from from Entity that year and it's an interesting quote because toro seventy thousand six was the last teams racer of ten engine in formula. One you'd think on paper that would give you an advantage racing retain against the affirmative but of course the The the engines rushdie picked back on performance so they couldn't beat the The engines the new engines from the other teams and close the size of it is she has size of the compromised aero-dynamics so You never managed to qualify than twelve. And then you've got the one pointed indianapolis What are your memories from out first year on your first Race experience monza because Attainment transition where. You will the rookie teammate Probably a bit of another wins really where you couldn't accurately benchmark again also against anybody else with a completely different engine packages well. Yes definitely wasn't difficult era longest because we had the kind of an unknown and unexpected car obviously vapor our lay had Really great but the restriction. We had on the hair scoop and rabs it goes everywhere raving maximum on fourteen thousand wraps And basically the performance were pretty week. We had quite a decent toll. Tortora both of me the of the acceleration but then Basically we were driving happe- and that's why we had not a top power in it was not paying off. We hope that it was a good solution for this season. By the hand of the day we allies of afghan capital of racism. That unfortunately was not a great. They're back in jail but anyway the only the only back in we believe us for the season neko's was a last minute the decision basically when they Both the it was time to feed this at. Va engineering this guy So it wasn't transition the year for a little also a wasn't expediency are for their for the deem and after say they work pretty well. The god of two thousand seven but indianapolis was amazing to score points for us more team. That was steal them. a branch of the Back edge it was always amazing. They were coming from thing. We know by the old to go with the red money. Support was an amazing step up and after saying that they love the team. 'cause every people whether the really passionate unique and really love with the sport and they were really is leaping and the working at twenty four seven for putting the afghan that on track so it was really amazing to give them their first point by their unfortunately was not an amazing packages without at the beginning of the year. Now obviously red bull then signed webber upon t save two thousand seven when christian klien leaves over the in champ car turns it down so he's replaced the last few races of our six by roman dome boss who is the reserve driver and then web comes along for seven and this view of toro rosso being defeated team. Then doesn't transpire was the kind of the end of your dream of getting to the red bull senior team or did you still hold out. the even. though couth autumn weber. Were in the senior team. If you like the to robert chance further down the road. I think until a certain point i always had the transition goes. Even though it wasn't a total rosso demanded. I used to make a lot of development for red bull racing and through a driving a lot of basting session But i think that after My lasting silverstone where for a programming the kyle basically we destroyed one of the one of the red workers in superstar Magazines after that they think and then you way lost a little. Bit of the.
The Autosport Podcast
Albon Replaced by Perez in Red Bull's 2021 Line-Up
"First topic for discussion today. Something actually we chat about quite regularly last year. But i haven't had the chance to go in depth on the costs over the christmas and new year break. I'm not reports driver lineup. Now of course we now know that. Sergio perez has been signed to partner. Max for slapping while. Alex album is team last year. And so the second half of two thousand nine hundred has been made. The team's reserve driver album also compete in the revamped. Dm category in twenty. Twenty ways efan commitments. Allow this and we understand. He'll be driving a ferrari. Four eight eight. Gt three alongside rebel genius liam northern. How big a hit. The think being mighty back to reserve driver an out formula one in terms of racing for at least a you know a whole calendar year. How do you think that how big hit that. he's f f one ambitions. yes he can. I think that it is so different when we saw by pierre gasoline daniel via meet similar fight when they were sent back to toro rosso and that them released the chance kind of rebuild that career and keep racing in athlon keeps it of all not rada christine made clear a few weeks folded station and the end of the season. That if alvin didn't get a rebel safe next year he will be our. Beth won't completely on on the sidelines. Although the team has said he's gonna be undertaken an extensive testing and development program with a view to twenty twenty. Eight doesn't really give much of a chance to actually sort of show. Boy he can do in really strike back and before about something the by them caveat when he made his his second comeback with taurasi s scoring podium nine and of cpi guiseley to an enormous two great right away three twenty twenty that were both able to rebuild and get these big results. The made everyone go. Oh well they're still decent. They're still performing and day. She for the albany. He doesn't really have the opportunity and going into a very sort of new. Dtm series with the gt three rules that they're updating ultimately not raced in ten tops. Ever i don't think so. I think that's going to be a big change for him and yeah i think it's just a it's it is a real big sat back and i think the full red bull i think just got say i don't really see what he goes from hits bonus nothing gets allows useful. Okay he's going to be playing such a big role in that too much to development. I think unless peres absolutely stinking year in that say realistically red bull going to be looking out. But if someone's come back with twenty twenty because are they need. Wii the perez goes beyond the initial one year contract. He signed or they'll look further into janea program if he's not has an amazing first year without tariff some let your e bits really stand out. I don't know me album just seems in this way. It's sort of purgatory state right now. I don't know where he's actually gonna