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What Facebooks spat with Australia means for Canada

The Current

20:03 min | 5 months ago

What Facebooks spat with Australia means for Canada

"Hi damon fareless host of hunting warhead from. Cbc podcasts in. The norwegian newspaper fiji hunting. Warhead follows a global team of police and journalists says the attempt to dismantle a massive network of predators on the dark web winner of the grand prize for best investigative reporting the new york festivals and recommended by the guardian culture and the globe in mail. You can find hunting warhead on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast. Facebook news terrible. Actually i think this facebook it seems to be a catcher and i can get all of my news in the one spot so it would really impact me crazy. I'm software developers. President it to see how that the band is actually affecting other sites that are getting crash. Cable were just revolt against like honestly like i especially the younger generation they would just be chaos australian. Facebook users are not pleased when they woke up to a blank news. Feed the social media giant blocked all news content from its platform in that country. The move in response to a dispute with the government over new legislation that would require facebook to negotiate paying. News outlets for links. Terry flew is a professor of digital communication and culture at the university of sydney. He's in brisbane. Terry hello as you can hear. users Facebook users not particularly pleased with what facebook did in australia. What do you make of this. I mean people have said that this is in some ways the nuclear option to shut down new sharing in australia. What do you make of that. Okay well i think he it comes at the independence bena three eight process of reviewing the market pair of digital platforms and seemed picked on news media. Industries sent journalism in australia and Google is well facebook campaign critical of the code But this week we are very important village and seeing that google announced to series of partnerships with News publishes australia whereas facebook has sought to completely extricate us from its Sites which is your introduction indicated has generated a massive degree of over blocking of everything for a mom public health sought to domestic ball and saw its today website of the homepage of the strang. Cancelling trade unions two hundred and fifty organizations is being much collateral damage in this. What is. I gave the thumbnail. Sketch there but just briefly. What's this legislation. That would push facebook to this point to take this kind of action okay well. The legislation argues that in order to redress the unequal bargaining power between the major platforms particularly put to google and facebook and individual. News publishes that they should be a pro se. Swayed by value is put on news two sides and they saw some form of payment to denise providers that a makes the costs of producing news based on those Inefficient derived from The availability of professionally produced us on they sought and so the publishers felt as though they were being denied revenue because of the presence of not just facebook. But google as well well in australia. In many countries there is a crisis of journalism that About thirty percent of journalism jobs have been lost in the last five years and over one hundred titles closed in twenty twenty and they feel and the triple say was in some agreement that the unequal stage of the digital advertising market continues to work against them and while There is some scope to make those costs through subscriptions at the sign. Todd a there is an element of a frenemy relationship between the publishes an platforms and view is taken by both the triple c. And the government that this is reflective of couponing between the entities. Let's talk more about that as you say frenemy relationship. William eastern is the managing director of facebook for australia and new zealand. Take a listen to what he says about. this legislation. News publishes choose to post. News on facebook allows allows them to sell more. Subscriptions grow their businesses and increase advertising revenue last year facebook actually generated five point one billion free organic website referrals to australian publishes estimated four hundred and seven million dollars and from side of things. This little misunderstands this relationship. Does facebook have a point there. I mean if it helps outlets bring in more subscriptions and advertising dollars should it be paying for the content that ends up often posted by those own news outlets themselves. Will certainly it has opened up noten distribution app late and there are up ticket. Demographics most notably younger demographics largely Get the get the news from facebook. I think there's need to back somewhat from that. Which is to beware of the extinct. Twitch old oganization not just news organizations are increasingly dependent upon these platforms that they constitute the infrastructure of communication and as such very vulnerable to decisions made within those organizations which are of course also competing with them for advertising. I think we should be clear about that. These are not simply intermediaries they Commercial competitors and the aggregation of data from multiple sources has given them very substantial market power. What is this all going to mean for. Australians who use facebook to find out the news. I mean as you mentioned. There's collateral damage here. It's not just. The news feeds that have been knocked out of this but but there are other in the midst of a pandemic other vital health pieces of information that have been knocked out as well. So what is this going to mean for those. Australians who use facebook to get news the the first Vaccines covid nineteen. Vaccines arrive in australia in the coming week. And so they will be a mess vaccination program now. What we're aware of is that there is a degree vaccine. His didn't in australia and Facebook has long had issues around The circulation misinformation here. And so the the real risk that you have here. Is that in the absence of professionally produced it tori lee curated news content of any sold on facebook that it will be misinformation and fake news run rampant and it seems to me that this is the worst time for facebook to remove all professionally produced news content because the consequences can potentially guy way beyond news businesses and facebook that We are facing a potential infidel. Macaire and facebook's behavior has been deeply on accountable in that regard and so there are a lot of people who say see. This is an example of these companies being too powerful and there needs to be some effort taken whether it's deregulation or other steps to rein them in is. Is that a sign of that need. Do you think well one view of disease that this is a preemptive struck that australia is relatively small market power. And that if you can demonstrate that you bring the australian info sphere to its knees that will provide a warning to other countries and we know that canada for instance is one of a number of countries considering a comparable code and i think there is a very strong backlash this weather. It will matter in terms of facebook's advertising or use the base remains to be seen the think it's a cautionary tale for a country like canada. You know that would be wanting to predation and the The i c i would. Facebook has been has been presenting that few. But i think there's there's also a an opposite reaction which is to say well if the country lock is strategic kant introduced regulations on a company like facebook at this stage of its aleutian. It indicates that they sa- foreign companies. That have a degree not on the if market power but political power which undermines the democratic process. We wouldn't accept in other industries we wouldn't banking and finance is a complex global industry. But would we accept the proposition that they foreign banks and not subject to regulation by national governments. Because you know to do so might you know. Disrupt break the into nato break finance. Whatever we don't we haven't we haven't for some time. And i think we have seen a series of recurring scandals around platform such as facebook that have generated What's being described as the ticklish in the expectation that national governments have the obligation to their citizens and the sovereign rights To bring bring regulation forward that Brings of social responsibility and accountability to directions. Good speak with you about this. Thank you very much. thank you terry. Flew is a professor of digital communication and culture at the university of sydney. He was in brisbane australia. Canada has condemned facebook's decision to block new sharing on its platform in australia. Candidates heritage minister. Stephen gibo says yesterday that facebook's actions are highly irresponsible and compromise the safety of many australian people. Meanwhile some canadian media companies have been pushing for compensation rules similar to those in australia. Dwayne win sec is a professor at the school of journalism and communication at carleton university and director of the canadian media. Concentration research project to in good morning to you. Good morning. the world is watching this Australia has described. It's it's bargaining code as world leading. Facebook react strongly and deploys as people have said the nuclear option. Do you think that this is a cautionary tale for canada. I think it is. I think terry Flew your previous guests there. summed up some of the Concerns there. I mean we are at a time when governments around the world have been searching for a new model of internet regulation and australia has kind of stepped out in front on this and the extent to which google and facebook have been fighting this tooth and nail understandably of course also raises some particular questions they companies do claim that they are in favor of this new generation of internet regulation but anytime anything concrete is put in front of them. They ever So the australian case provides a cautionary lesson about just how far they will go who here in. This country has been lobbying for similar rules in the compared to. What's going on in austrailia. Yeah well i think we have a couple of sources the most important ones are the media companies themselves and in particular the ones representing the major press groups news media canada. You know they've been On a campaign now for several years. It's had several manifestations a few think tanks like the public policy forum has swung in behind them. I would say all with a very questionable and even dubious research to back them up They do have the ear of the minister. And policymakers and i think they are setting the policy agenda. Let me start. Let me stop you there. You say that the it's questionable dubious campaign that was launched earlier this month. The number of newspapers left their front pages blank to protest the dominance of facebook and google in their markets. The true son was part of that campaign. Take listen to the editor of the sun. Adrienne batra we up against these two big walls and google and facebook and the two big tech giants who are using their platforms to use our to showcase our work. We get zero compensation for that. So while they're collecting nearly eighty percent of the digital ad. Revenue that you see because we know now of course most people get their news content digitally and as we catch up to that. We are way far behind in terms of the plane. The plainfield being level with respect to the ad revenue. And that's where we're we're getting hammered and we're we're losing jobs because of it and and frankly you know. Democracy is affected when there isn't proper journalists. what is questionable in dubious about that line of thinking. Dwayne well the the argument that the aren't getting odd compensated for the traffic that comes to their Sites by way of google and facebook is simply untrue. the point about whether or not The relationship between them and one finance is fair and balanced Is adequate is a fair question. the citation to the data's quite interesting they point to this eighty percent figure in the figures actually comes from my research site at once in the news media canada's leveling the playing field report Last fall but now. They use it in all their campaigns without citations. Hope they're concerned about the use of news and information without proper attribution. It's kind of an irony that they themselves are waging a campaign based on this point is i mean beyond that that these companies have come in and and eating their lunch that whether it's online advertising or just market dominance that that has left We've seen it. We've seen newspapers across the country and around the world shut down And and the point that's being made as this affects the business but it also affects democracy. Yeah and i. the relationship. Between journalism and democracy i think is fundamental We don't have a robust and vibrant democracy without a free and robust press. Well there's there's no moral on that. I think the problem with the evidence here both in canada and in australia. Is that the plight of the news. Media in both countries far predates the rise of google and facebooks to their market Dominating position they begin to lose circulation in the late. Nineteen eighty s early nineteen nineties revenues kind of plateau at the end of the nineteen nineties. And stay there And they begin to plummet around two thousand six two thousand seven with the legs really kicked out from underneath them with the financial crisis which precipitates a drop in advertising. And i think this is one of the things about the australian case is its own Research for the digital platforms inquiry shows. That have that advertising spending in the country today is lower than it was in two thousand and eight and it also that newspaper revenue. Not country started to drop in two thousand and six so blaming google and facebook for the plight of the news media. I think is disingenuous. But the real problem. Here of this market dominance of the online advertising Arena in what the australian bill tries to do. I think has many good things to commend it. Just much of the case. I think is is very questionable. We asked facebook canada to speak with us today. They wouldn't And couldn't make anybody available but sent us a statement that reads in part. We believe there are other options to support news in canada that will more fairly benefit publishers of all sizes and recognize the value that platforms bring to news organizations. We stand ready to collaborate on these complex issues. Have companies like facebook. Got governments and The media industry in a bit of a bind if they can't publish Those news sources anymore The creates a void in some ways and governments. Don't want that certainly the media companies. Don't want that. So i is this. Has it left those companies and governments in some ways in a bit of a squeeze you know. I think what we have to look at Here because governments are trying to do. And i thank god minister g ball on. This is actually dead right When he says you know the time for voluntaristic philanthropic activities by google or facebook is passed now. What we're looking for is is kind of new era of concrete formal regulatory requirements and. I think this is where we need to go. And the australians are blazing the way they tried to do that in. Australia and now news isn't being published on facebook in the midst of a public health crisis right and i think this is rebounded on facebook really really badly and you show that at the opening of your show and that position is going to become untenable as other countries pursue a similar measure so maybe facebook can do this out in austria australia But what about and again. This is coming from Gabose office You know what about when. Canada germany france The uk And others Do this and this matters up in the united states as well In a number of different areas so that may be a short term measure. It's not doing facebook any any good on the public policy front or its public image and it won't work around the world so what could be done better here in canada than to ensure that public interest journalism survives but also the end result. Is that you know canadians. Have access to credible trustworthy information particularly in a crisis. Like we're in right now. So i think what we could do as we could take. We could cherry pick the good bits from the australian model and try to get rid of the bad bits. So take the good bids from the australian model. I think is first and foremost to recognize. The government has a role that we need a formalized recovery regime and to take the crown jewel from the australian model. Which basically is this idea that the google's and facebook's of the world must carry a designated range of australian news services and that the news services themselves get a fourteen day heads up notice of any major changes that the platforms are going to take. That could up Their business gives the regulator a peek behind Or under the hood of facebook and google algorithm so that they have an understanding of how these things work and the whole online ad system is understood to be ribbon with essentially fraudulent data Upon which Audiences are bought and sold and what the australian model would do basically open up this whole system to a regulated audit. This would be good. And if i could just one lasting known what we have to really do is go beyond the australian model because what it basically does is it says. Facebook and google has all of this model they've harvested through the surveillance. Capitalism business model. That drives these things and now what we should do. Spread the fruits. The spoils of surveillance capitalism model wider. And give on the news media companies A bigger slice of the big data pie. I think this is a really terrible idea. That's at the heart of the australian model instead. What we need to be talking about minimizing the collection of data in adopting strong data and privacy protection. Two trillion doesn't do that. It's good to speak with you about this. Thank you very much thank you. Matthew duane new insect is the professor at the school of journalism and communication at carleton university. In auto your thoughts on this welcome you can reach us through email. The current at cbc dot c. For more cbc podcasts. Go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Casey on Spring Breakers

Movie Crush

1:06:06 hr | 4 months ago

Casey on Spring Breakers

"Fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more. is that shakespeare. it's geico i. Yeah that's shakespeare from one of some published works would be not for awakening may give it the batteries for fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more no. It's from geico. 'cause they help save people money. I hate to break it to you but geico got it from shakespeare gyco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. I'm kerry champion the host of a brand new podcast naked with carrie. Champion on the black effect podcast network. I'll be asking some of the greatest and sports and entertainment to remove the veil in naked being naked on this podcast means describing life altering events and circumstances that helped shape who the person you love has essentially become naked with carrie. Champion is available. Now on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or ever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to movie crush production of iheartradio. Hey everybody welcome to movie. Fresh fresh rice casey. Here keep it in. we're keeping it in casey's here everyone this movie crush. It is friday interview addition. Casey neier both stressed for different reasons. Yeah so why. Not talk about a very tense. There you go movie spring breakers. Yeah are you doing the side. Stressed stressed Now i'm doing good. It was it was really fun to revisit this movie. Because it's been at least five or six years since i last saw so and Yeah i don't know i. It's it's i guess it's it's weird to watch it now. And the context of social distancing in corona into see man all the sweaty bodies and close proximity and the whole spring break. You know thing is so just to catch everyone up here we are. I am on my daughter spring break right now and i said those two words in case said hey let's do spring breakers because I didn't have an episode for tomorrow like this is. We're cutting it close. Here's thursday afternoon day before release in you said spring breakers. I had never seen it for some weird reason. I was kind of meant to en- didn't and so. I watched it last night and i have retitled it now and i'm glad i watched it now that i have a daughter because the new the new working title is Every father's nightmare every parent's nightmare parents in general probably youthful debauchery. And just oh god. It was hard to hard to get through honestly and you know was. Here's my deal with spring break. And the scene. I went on a high school. Spring break the panama city. Where one year where it was debauchery. I mean it wasn't quite like this but it because this is just really over the top in gross. But i'm sure it is this way in places but it was our version of of high school debauchery. I didn't take part. Because i was a good kid in high school. I didn't turn bad until later In you know it was fine but like this scene. There is nothing i would want to do less than the stuff i see in this movie. Yeah i kill me right. I found myself just thinking like this. Just looks terrible. Like awful No thank you. Yeah even even if you could like detach yourself from responsibilities and and all that kind of stuff and that place again with the opportunity to do it again. At this point you would choose to do that. It's like that's terrible but these young girls. No no no no. Yeah joining me man at the same time. I think the movie does a really interesting thing. Where on the one hand. It's it's clearly like it's not presenting it as something that looks all that enticing. I would say that our yeah in a way it's satire. But i feel like. It's not necessarily ironically distanced or that. It's judging the characters i think it actually adopt their point of view of just youthful naivety and that for them when they like. There's there's over at one point where one of the says Maybe it's faith She says you know. I think this is like the most spiritual place i've ever been and that could be a commentary and a laugh line and sort of like a critique of limited. Her world view is or something. But i think really more fundamentally it's something genuine and true that she's expressing and i think it's even something that the film is kind of allowing to to pass without commentary as kind of sincere thing like there is something to this like right of spring release of like pentagon sexual energy and all the rest of it just the the partying and the craziness like even though it very quickly turns bad and into excess and all of that and there's all these negative consequences like there is just something instinctual and kind of pure about that expression of youthful energy even if he gets channeled and all these messed up things I think the film wants to acknowledge. you know. And not like condescend towards it necessarily. yeah. I totally agree. I think it's interesting once you strip away all of the sort of blinky artifice of this film. And we'll talk about the the music video Aesthetic in the color palette. Which is all i kinda cool stuff but if you strip all that away to me. It's two things it's it's a movie about. These lost girls who aren't so far off from people in his earlier films. They're not quite the trailer park people right right. But they're not a million miles away either Who are sort of trapped in this mundane existence of small town nothingness. So it's that and it's also just a very straight ahead sort of trophy crime movie. Yeah like it. Hits all the notes of movies we've seen before of a group that gets in over their head in one is kind of the ringleader in one doesn't feel good about it and all of a sudden they're in way too deep in you know bad things are gonna happen. They do like its various sort of by the numbers. But it's just dressed up in this mtv spring break party aesthetic to to great effect. I think yeah he definitely like it's his most kind of conventionally plot driven. I think you could say At the same time while remaining very kind of like floaty. And you know we can talk a lot about how it's structured and the way that it kind of doubles back on itself all the time and there's all these recurring shots recurring phrases. Yes green break. Y'all yeah he he. He talks about how he wanted to structure the film Almost like a song you know where their samples and loops and lake vs or says and and that the whole film it's almost all waldo mall music there's always like score or source music or something happening and And just like the way he uses the voiceover to kind of develop these themes and move from one section to the next and so on does a similar kind of thing that we saw for instance in the limy where yes he'll film a conversation and multiple locations and kind of cross between them and you get the sense that you know. Maybe this is. Somebody's hazy memory of a conversation. That happened at some point during the day. But it's unclear exactly when and we're kind of seeing multiple angles of it So yeah on the one hand he does use all this kind of as a framework for a pretty conventional crime story of like like you said people over their head and then rival drug dealers and shootout at the end and all that but i think that's just kind of the window dressing. I think you know what he's really at here is is something different is trying to find a different way to structure film. More to make a film or to express these kinds of ideas through film With the kind of commissioner plot just sort of like a little bit of a backbone a little bit of something to grab onto You know i would compare this film very closely with like a lot of later. Malik films In fact malik made a film really just a year two after after this one came out although he was shooting it really at the same time that this was being shot in and around. Two thousand twelve Called knight of cups. And i saw that one. Yeah it's it's one of my favorite malik films But a lot of people really don't like it and a lot of people just haven't seen it period but There's a lot of similar ideas about very briefly. Knight of cups is about a guy who was working in the film industry as a screenwriter. It's based very loosely. Off of malik after days of heaven where he was like playing scrip doctor. For a minute. And it's basically christian. Bale plays this guy and it's it's about him being this womanizing just living life to the absolute excess kind of character and the the complete like emptiness that he feels inside from this where he thinks he's this is what's going to make him happy and it really doesn't and It's told a very similar way where you know it's it's very musical. It's there's hardly ever any really dialogue scenes. It's all just kind of fragments and so on He uses like some of the same cameras. These low grade digital cameras. That korean uses from time to time into film. Malik also uses in that film So i i. The to films are a lot of dna however malik filmed. There is no conventional narrative to like grab onto. So it's just two two and a half hours of like just you know floating from one thing to the next and if you pay close attention you'll see kind of development happening but you know if you're if you're not like the way in just going to seem like two and a half hours of people on beaches and people in cars and you've loving meaningless sex and all that kind of stuff. So i think this is direct tori lee one of harmony koreans stronger films And i got like sofia coppola vibes at times. Although he made this before blinkering. I think lingering is a sort of slightly tamed down version of this movie. Yeah and i also got a little bit of a gus van zandt vibe here and there oh yeah which i come to think of it. His earlier films definitely evoke. Gus zandt. I just never really thought about it before. Yeah and larry clark to your kids and the whole idea of like harmony harmony. Korean wrote wrote kids. He was just like a skater hanging out in new york city and larry clark was photographing skaters and they started talking and cream told them like. Oh i wanna be a filmmaker. I've got this idea for a movie. Or whatever and it just kind of developed very quickly from there and corinne was like fifteen sixteen. He's really young movie. And i saw it in new york when it came out in the theater. And that really launched him. Is one of the great young weirdo avant garde experimental type filmmakers. The success of that film which was made very cheaply. And did you know relatively really well at the box office. It was like an indie sensation. Very controversial everybody was talking about it so it got that kind of attention and right and so on that got korean kind of like not a blank check but a million dollar check anyway to go make whatever he wanted to make so we made gum. Oh which i still think is his best film And spring breakers kind of comes at a point where his career had kind of been on the decline for a while. He had a period after gumma where he got really heavily into drugs he donkey boy. Yeah he I think there was a couple of house. Fires where you know. He almost died and various things that he was working on. Like lost in this fires. Some of this might be sort of like self mythology ising because he likes of you know. Bend the truth and in invent stories about himself and kind of things sound a little more outrageous than sometimes they are He was on letterman. At least and i love those appearances. Anybody who hasn't seen. There's a compilation on youtube of light really. You can see the progression because the first time he's just like this like innocent looking young kid and then the next time he's like strung out and you know he's got this like scraggly beard and he looks super rough and he's kind of grown up now yes well. Yeah so by the time he makes spring breakers he He's come out of this this long period of like addiction and almost dying and so on and now he's like the more matured version of himself where he still has all the same kind of like wacky sensibilities He's still like very free and how he Musa's creativity and he's he's not afraid of looking ridiculous or of trying something that may or may not work but at the same time he has that more like mature minded responsibility you know and now it's him as a slightly older person looking at youth. The way larry clark was looking at youth on and kids. Yeah i mean. Let's talk for a minute. Just about the beautiful. This movie is aesthetically. it's i mean. Obviously all the the big the big beach poolside scenes and all that is a little sort of over the top in that slow. Like yeah dayglo fluorescent world. But there's so many gorgeous shots in this movie Early on a color palette is clearly just one of the things he wanted to lean into on this movie and it's obvious in a lot of the stuff because it's just so bright and colorful but even in the subtle shots where I'm picking about like the stained glass early on coming through the windows and that cut together with the scene of the girls in the classroom in the dark with everything lit by computer laptop screens of different colors. But just really gorgeous stuff. That's the stuff that reminded me of severe coppola sherve dreamy colorful of slow mo and voice over going on. Yeah his his cinematographer that he used for. This film is a guy had been to be Who's a french cinematographer. And he's most known for his work with gas barn away and films irreversible and especially into the void which similarly psychedelic colorful. Trippy kind of movie. And yeah as you mentioned very very light hearted stuff And so he cream talks about how he wanted this film to have the look of like you know that he wanted it to be this like it is bright neon saturated. Just yeah and that it would have this kind of delectable like i can't equality to it yeah at the same time that the material can be quite dark. It's not like a particularly dark feeling film. I feel like a lot of ways the tone even when things kind of heavy it has this sort of like just like fun aspect to it It doesn't get like depressing the way you could say maybe kids gets depressing It doesn't know is much of a documentary. Feel it's it's reality pushed a little bit beyond reality so that it's almost kind of surreal and there's almost something kind of dreamlike or fable about it where this is more about not talking so literally about youthful access. It's taking that access and then pushing it beyond the point of realism while not completely detaching from reality but just kind of you know. Everything's turned up to eleven. Yeah well 'cause like i was saying it's still it's hard movie about these loss young girls who don't know shit and they don't know what they're going to do. They don't know where they're going to go. They know they're not happy That's where the so like is sort of the on. We yet recalled virgin suicides a little bit and lingering the scene that beautiful scene in the dorm room when they were That voice overs going on. They were doing the handstands against the wall and all of their legs were sort of crisscrossing. And yeah it's just. It's really easy to overlook stuff like that but those were really beautiful. Beautiful shots it's he's finding like transcendence in stuff that off not necessarily be transcendent. Because it's so fraught with you know all these problems of let's say objectification of of you know male gaze we could say of Just youthful like hyper sexuality and corruption and loss of innocence and all this stuff. But that's not where they're coming from and they don't necessarily even recognize it to themselves like how much danger there end sometimes You can hear it in the calls to parents and grandma's it. I know that they're playing it down but you know everyone here is so sweet. Yeah we're just having such a good time. Yeah and just i. I could see the. I could see people watching this movie and being horrified thinking that it is in celebration of this right a heavier in object defying at whereas. I didn't take it that way. I thought it was part satire. part What do you call the the warning. Like a cautionary tale cautionary tale a little bit Never did i think that harmony corinne was saying like look how fucking bad s the scene right right you know. This movie was protested. You know it's it's over the top when it comes. I was going to make a joke at the beginning of this episode that i like smoked weed every time someone in the movie smoked weed took a shot every time there were bare breasts. You'd be dead probably conservative everywhere all the time. Yeah oh yeah. I mean the excess is like that's the point. If it were restrained it would be something totally different but yeah it's just like it's something that might be fun for like a couple of hours but then you stretch that into just like this absurd you know. Like into the world apocalyptic kind of exuberance of Just a wall to wall drinking and smoking and never shows anyone going to bed at night. Yup and having breakfast there are the bits of quiet moments. I think when they were and yet when they're the pool or when they were distorted drinking at the in the parking lot and stuff like that like they remove themselves a little bit but You know they have that first robbery scene at the chicken shack. Yeah and it's all right there in those two lines. Just pretend like it's a video game act like you're in a movie or something. Yeah and that's like it's it's horrifying when you think of those two lines because it's true like that i could see something like this going. This could be a news story very. Oh yeah i'm sure. Similar things have probably happened. Like the the sort of the ability when you're that young to detach and compartmentalize and that sense of like youthful immortality. That teenagers have where they're like. You know taking huge life altering risks like they were nothing because the they're invincible or they just don't see the movie yeah. They seen a movie and it worked out fine for that character. So you know i. I don't think. Korean is like a social critic per se. He does have these little notes like you said of like pretended video game like it's in a movie or something right because i think it's all about how for them they're in this fantasy world and there's the real world next to that and and underneath all that but in their own kind of subjective experience they're living through this kind of like youthful fantasy and they don't realize how close they are to real disaster. Yeah in that robbery scene man. Just when there's been a couple of movies like you've seen it all like how to shoot a robbery. He shoulda a heiss at issued Someone breaking into a bank vault in remember sexy beast when that came out and they did underwater yang with the bank. And i was like fuck dude like someone thought of something new and then this showing the perspective of that car yup pulling around that restaurant very slowly in each time it pulls around a corner. The girls are inside in another part of the restaurant. And i was like hats off to a man. He sought a new way to shoot it and not only that but later on you get the interior. Yeah exactly you're getting from your these little snippets gliac through the window as the cars driving and It's it's like editing. Within the within the frame you know you get a little bit here and get some wall and you get a little bit here. And then yeah like you said later on when they're kind of in the parking lot and they're recounting how they actually went about the robbery and intimidated these people and so on You get like a hand held inside of the and that's really that's like it's cool because when we're outside and we're a little bit removed. We have one reaction to the violence which is like well. That's not cool. But it's more of a subdued kind of feeling because we're removed from then when they're kind of recounting it the second time we're right up in it with a hand held and you can kinda see how afraid these people are for their lives even though it's just a game for these girls but these people don't know that and they are losing their money and their wallets and so on And and are so lucky man a gun even though it's we know it's a squirt gun but it isn't just a gun in their face. So they're terrified. They're lucky they didn't end up dead. Especially yeah open. Kerry exactly is actually. It's crazy that not one person in that restaurant didn't have a gun. Yeah like into in boogie nights style. Oh god don cheadle on the donut. Job man texting privacy policy and terms and conditions posted at tax plan dot. Us texting and roles for recurring automated text marketing messages. Message and data rates may apply reply. Stop to opt out. Would you like to get paid to work out. 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They invited to come there and told them just go crazy and they said they basically kind of lost control at various points where. I'm sure they're trying to tell people. All right cut calmed down and it just kept going and they were probably really fucked up to exactly exactly and so there. They're in like a real abandoned hotel and just like you know utter anarchy and so that was a real location when they were in like the jail cell. That was a real location. Okay yeah a lot. i mean. basically he went. He went like a practical locations as much. When they're in that pool hall and selena gomez is really starting to freak out and being. I don't want to be here is. We're like a lot of real people just hanging out in the pool hall. Real criminals Some of the stuff with like the dogs in the back and whatever. That was a real thing that was going on so he was in like a real like shady spot when you were shooting that machines. That's that's totally him he likes to. It's always like a blend of the hyper real on the one end and like the kind of scary reality the other Let's talk about james franco. His his intro is one of the the more amazing intros. He's that guy. And i know he was based on this too Idiot twins the twins twins. they're in the movie. he's really based on I would i would argue. At least his look is really based on riffraff. If you know riffraff. This like internet rapper. he was huge in the early twenty tens. I would say he was one of those guys that that came up on youtube and really just became famous completely outside of him before. Yeah you you've probably seen like riffraff means and so let but in terms of like the official story of spring breakers supposedly. It's based on this. Other guy who i think is performing next to james franco on the stage. When he's doing that song hanging with the dope boys. I think this danger russ is his name. Which maybe he got like some mannerisms or phrases or something from that guy. But the look is like one hundred percent riffraff and so after this movie came out riffraff. Like you know gone on twitter. Whatever and said he was going to sue for like ten million dollars and that looked like you and ultimately what happened like. I don't think he ever actually filed the suit. I think he was just kind of trying to like. Create some buzz city but then like a few years later in two thousand sixteen. James franco ended up. Starring as riffraff inner riffraff music video playing playing refresh so essentially playing alien again. So you know the snake kind of eight. Its till they're think. I think frank was really good in this actually I'm glad that he sort of. He made him southern in this florida cultural appropriators and What hits me about most of these guys is. They don't actually have any real talent for anything other than like creating well higher. You know buzz. But he's a criminal he's not like he's trying to be a rapper sword of but he has no talent for it but he's what he is is a criminal in. He's the scene. I loved the most was thought that was so fucking funny was seen in the bedroom. Look look at it. My shit shit saying it was amazing. It was funny it was great acting it was reprehensible and gross and awful and mike your decide dying for these girls to get out of there in franco like this florida you know trashy beach bum redneck with grills and i i just. I don't know all the right notes for me as far as really having a good time watching it. You have everything happening in that same moment. Lake the kind of if you wanna go there the kind of critique of materialism capitalism the american dream whatever is he kept it on the american dream he was living. he's not subtle about it but at the same time it is just on its face. Totally absurd and hilarious ridiculous and it's also kind of scary because he's holding those guns and you know he just doesn't seem stable you know as we see later on like the situation can turn. The mood can change so quickly from being funding exuberant to suddenly like the guns pointed in the other direction. And how do they're not really sure. So when the girls. I didn't know man i didn't know what was going on. I mean i was like praising harmony korean. 'cause he fooled me. I was like i thought that they were really turning the tables on him. You might see the sky like get his head blown off in a second. You know his lifestyle. I totally didn't know what was going on. I think he doesn't in the moment and that's what made it so like enthralling in stimulating sexually stimulating. After it's like he might like he's he's really endanger. Maybe that's turning on others. Totally those rich dreamgirls but then also like i almost kind of wonder like maybe they were planning on killing him robbing him whatever but the fact that he turned it back around again just embraced it and really starts like going to town on the silencers lake his life right kind of the way. I took it dude honestly. I thought that they were really serious. And that once he started getting into this crazy weekend. Doing to kill a guy. I thought it was interesting. The shift in tone from the movies. Kind of in two halves. You had that first robbery which is kind of crazy and they were sort of feeling it. Yeah but still kind of like. Oh my god what the fuck that we do right and then it's just party time party time. They get arrested for something else for partying. They get bailed out and then immediately it is like it turns sinister and they're really in that world yep and they're like. This isn't playtime anymore. You know this is the shit. These are the real guys. And like who's gonna blink first and of course faith is yeah. I love how they echo those the get on the bus scenes for both of the girls early in each time i thought that that girl has just saved her life and the other ones are going to die right right which doesn't happen but i'm surprised that it didn't happen by the time you know. We find out what happens to the last two girls. I feel like the film has has fully departed reality. Anyway you know if the film were to remain in that more semi realistic register. They very well could have died if they had tried to pull. What the end up doing at the end of the film they would be dead. There's no way they would like shoot through that whole situation. I had a bit of a issue with cells pension of disbelief. At that point. The film is like moved up to a higher plane of kind of mansell kind of fantasy. Yeah i think you're right. I think i think the only way anybody who's going to survive that situation was get on a bus and get back home and get away from that. That whole crowd because he was going nowhere relief each time. One of them did that especially as a father of a daughter. I was just like fucking make the right choice to get out of there. That scene with faith. I think it was the end of the pool hall seen when she was running to go home and they were jump cutting it. All around in franko has that scene with her really creepy. He's her by the face talking. About how much he cares about her. I was just coming out of my skin man. Yeah and that such good like solid filmmaking when you can make an an audience squirm like that. He's so manipulative than he knows. That i mean it's predatory right. He knows he's talking to this young naive girl. He's trying to push all the right buttons as far as making her feel like he's really i don't know in love with her or make her super important or something to him the way he says the she actually leaves after. He says he says to her. Like you know you're gonna go home and your friends are going to stay here. But even though i'm going to be with your friends i'm still going to be thinking about you and it just doesn't it doesn't land right for her thankfully you know that's not wants to hear and so that's her point where she just walks out the door like just done you know yet also takes a while to get overtly sexual like you see where it's going and you kinda get the idea that he's he's definitely wants to have. Yeah two three four five some with them right right but The sexing actually comes when justice three of them in the pool which was a really cool the way they shot. That scene is great and then scene that really makes me laugh though is preceding that the The piano seen. oh yes. Yes britney spears. Yeah love that man so funny because again. I'm looking as this character. Like this guy was no talent. He's got the money to have a grand piano on a veranda ocean. Nike can't play shit. He can't sing shit any his fingers like hitting a few notes but right. It's pretty obvious. Franko can't play either and he's just kind of like you know winging it which is really funny that they didn't hire like a hand double or anything to make it to try to sell it. It's very obviously like they're just not showing his hands. They're shooting other direction. It was pretty bad corny. It make believe yeah. I wasn't quite sure to with the two that stayed. That's vanessa hudgens as candy. Rashly benson is brit right. I can never quite tell the end game with candy and brit. Yeah until that last. Seen i thought i thought they were just hanging in there a little bit longer than their friends and that they were gonna come around and that they would leave and they were just sort of. I couldn't tell how deep into this lifestyle if they were like well. This is who we are now. We're gangsta chicks. They're just like we're never gonna finish school. We're never going back. This is it for us. You know like they were in even even when things will. Yeah because they chose to stay even when they're first friend left when their second friend got shot in the arm after all that after really like being confronted with the kind of real danger that this is not a game is not a a joke of fantasy is true. They see chose to stay. So i think they're in it for the long haul but then you know there is that phone conversation Near the end where one of them calls home and is saying like. I want to do better. I wanna like give my give my together get back on the right track. So it's almost like they have to go through that final like a kind of confrontation climaxing to come out on the other side. The big. yeah exactly. Yeah it's just like a sort of. I dunno joseph cambell like you know. Yeah he just has to be this final showdown and then they can go back to their to the life having learned having passed through all this and now sort of like starting starting new like i think in my mind. I picture those girls having this great story to tell one day husbands. Don't even know about. Yeah kid their kids would never believe exactly And the fact that they were so in like i dunno it was disturbing but like i think like you said like once it hits that movie hits that point in the last third. It's sort of complete fantasy at that point When they're when they're when they really get into it with his former friend and who's the guy that played him he's a he's a real rapid ni o gucci mane. Yeah he from atlanta about this guy but he's he was awesome in this movie terrific. Yeah there's a really funny anecdote from when they were shooting they're doing the sex scene the final sex scene in the movie where with him. It's the three so he's got the girls on top of them so don't make profit but also while they were shooting that scene he literally like fell asleep and snoring and she's on top of them and they had to wake him up and you know he woke up and said that line and they put it in the movies separate impressive you like a composer. Yeah that was really funny But once she gets real with him and you know it's all there in the if you had the subtitles on had to watch it at lower volume. I wanted to visit a sleeping In the subtitles really helped. 'cause james frank was kind of singing. What's going to happen through that last third right but you can't really understand in that well but he's singing the song about too little tickies remain and then i'm gonna go kill my best friend and my best friend's going to die today and stuff like that so you see it come in. But i don't know how in he is man when they were calling in scaredy cat and stuff like that like i don't think he really wanted to. I think he felt like he had to. Yeah he might have felt like he had to put up or shut up kind of like whoa in front of these girls that exactly. It's kind of a He had to play that role of like the masculine tough guy even if he might have been like man. This is a bad idea He just had to go through with. Yeah i think that's probably correct. I hope it's not disparaging and obscene girls instead of young women but they seem like they were teenagers. I guess they're in college there. Yeah they're in college. Although to me. They felt emotionally psychologically little bit more like high schoolers but just shifted to college just to kind of remove that element of like are they underage or not right to fifty year old guy. They were girls to me. Yeah oh yeah exactly exactly. I mean it's the older you get you your kid so that that frame of reference continues to shift. I think throughout throughout life. I mean it's like when you're young when you're like fourteen you think like the big kid you know you're looking at like a seven year old. You've really oh that's a kid. I'm like grown up. So yeah it's always changing. You don't become an adult until you're like forty to look forward to it I did look at those twins. Because i remember when this came out and they were all over the news and i was just you know. I don't wanna yuck someone's young young. But they're very punishable guys. I i had that same reaction to them like all years. I've kind of thought they were just like the epitome of like vice magazine. Live kind of you know internet. Click bait or circa twenty twelve or whatever but what on the on the blu ray. There's this three part like little feature documentary thing on sale twins Actually pretty pretty solid like realize they have they have a really really hard life story And they actually seemed like genuine real people as as crazy as that seems and they even have like respectable day. Jobs outside of all this hype and whatever so i you know just watching watching them listening to them. They're like very self-aware. They know exactly how they come off to people. It's it's more of a almost like a character. They can play they can. They can amp up if they want to interesting. Okay but they're actually like very kind of smart hip articulate dudes. Who kind of weird. Yeah they also like disappear from the movie which disappeared from. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. I tried to find anything like what they're doing now and like i can't find anything man. They dropped off of social media. Kinda after this. I think they're probably like you know. This might have been like the the sort of the peak the zenith of their notoriety. And after that maybe they were just like all right. Let's just like settle into more of a real life. You know maybe. I mean i did see a thing on reddit which never read it a follow their trail there and it said this is from like three years ago. Some guy said i. I lived in midtown. Atlanta seem all the time they live in the spire building in a artists. Now like doing pretty good now. It's going all right. All right these guys okay. So you know who knows. Yeah they December really cool footage and one of those documentaries of them skating in downtown atlanta in the probably early nineties mid nineties or something And it was cool just a perspective of seeing what the city looked like back then and you know. Some buildings recognize a lot of buildings you don't and And just like the way. The city has changed since then but no. I had the exact same reaction of lake. I hate these dudes. And then after watching i was like you know what they actually seem. Pretty pretty solid Surprisingly so i drive. The documentary was just trying to make them look as good as possible. But i think. I think just from listening to them. I was like okay. These guys like they know what's going on. They're not just like in a haze of stupidity or something okay. Maybe they're playing a part. Because i read. I started to read one interview with them to try and figure them out and it said something about whether or not they date much and they said well. We have nine inch dicks. All right i'm not. I'm not gonna read any. They mentioned that in the in the documentary to you in their. It's eighteen between us because you know they. The whole the whole bit is that they. They only date like the same women at the same time and stuff. Yeah yeah all right. We'll more power to you. I guess not my bag. Hi i'm jonathan strickland. Host of the restless ones. Join me as i sit down with. 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Talk and your podcast app to subscribe. So yeah i mean we're toward the end of the movie now where you know we feel like the hit is going to go down. I firmly believe that alien felt like he had to do this to impress. Those girls in in was scared. I don't think. I think he knows that he may not live through this. I think it's hysterical. That he gets taken out immediately after that. Cool shot man like those dayglo bating suits in the tank top like all. That shit is so cool looking and the first thing that happens is he dies. Yeah we should mention like that whole with their approaching on the boat and everything. One of the major i think influences. Inspirations for this film is michael. Mann's two thousand vice. Yeah which was like. That was a real major moment in In filmmaking for certain for certain kind of sinophile a certain kind of filmmaker that moment in like the mid two thousand square michelman win digital and started shooting you know in this collateral different. Yeah like a little bit. Collateral and then full on in miami vice public enemies which was less successful. I think Are typically but miami vice it remains like a real lake Turning point i think for digital cinema because here was like this major american filmmaker using digital not to try to replace film or to imitate film but digital four digital right. And you could put this alongside something like inland empire by david lynch as well where he's shooting on consumer grade digital cameras and he's not trying to. It's not that he's trying to save like budget or something right. He's using the digital and the flaws in the digital the idiosyncrasies of the digital as its own like expressive medium and even though spring breakers the shot primarily on thirty five. Yeah that was. Like a lot of the impetus. When when korean saw my advice he was like. Wow there's like just something about the way in that movie and miami vice when they're outside at night like the sky has color in it you know and and the depth of field is just like going infinite in every direction on one hand. It has this kind of video thing on the other hand. There's there's also something kind of like cinematic about it. Yeah it's just a really really interesting film. There was all this kind of Discussion and talk in the midst thousands. About like what is digital cinema. What can digital cinema become and i feel like in a way with the advent of like red and alexa And people getting into using more kind of traditional lenses and Shooting in a more traditional film style digital cinema has kind of gotten away from that a little bit right where now. It's sort of like it's kind of like film but you can still kind of tell us digital but a lot of a lot of films are not really using digital own medium just like we could afford shoot thirty five kind of thing right or or just the just the way they're made now and it has nothing to do with the aesthetic of digital. It's not even a question right. it's just going to shoot digital if you're shooting for netflix's or whatever unless you're scorsese or something you're going to be shooting you know digital right but i mean even christopher nolan. I mean some of the you know. The biggest filmmakers are all digital journalist on seventy isn't he I know that the the camera. He shot To nineteen fourteen on ramey. Jesus no not seem ramey that she's as casey roll with it sam Not nothing any sounds in american guy yes cut. I'm losing it. sorry yes. i'm sorry. I got those confused. He shot nine. Fourteen was on digital. Because you know my buddy scotty that camera now. He's he went all in like. I'm going to get the best camera. There is and just habit. Cendiz sam ramey. Forgive on film. I don't know maybe but that last part you know starting with that boat Montage it's like. It's got that voice over in the day. Glo fluorescent in that slow mo and the score in. It's just all coming together man and that i was i was really impressed with harmony koreans filmmaking in this movie yeah i was just like man. This is a really confident filmmaker. Making the exact movie he wants to make. He's he's really like kinda flexing the muscles and showing that like he can hang in there with these big names and filmmaking and pull off some of these more complicated shots and sequences that obviously he loves to improvise. He loves to just find stuff on the day. But when you need to execute a more complicated shot like that. He's also got the chops to do that kind of thing which is really cool. I haven't seen that his last. Because i was of like. Where's he been since this. Put him on the map in a not. Be on the back on the map in a pretty big way. I think this was yeah. This was like again. This was a pretty successful film commercially. Yeah oh it made its budget back and then some it kind of became like it was a pretty talked about movie You know we. We haven't really talked about it. But you had the whole crossover thing. Where like selena gomez hands are wondering in the theater kinda see hutchence as young stars. Yeah yeah so. There's that weird crossover moment where like you know. People like me who just love korean because a gum. Oh because of his real weirdo outsider. He stuff And then people that are coming from like pop you know the world of pop music and youthful celebrities and so on also coming in and then people like me. So what is this beach by movie. Though he took a seven year break which is weird. I thought i mean you would think right. It's very harmony corinne to not parlay spring breakers into like something a year or two later. Exactly i was just reading online on the on the hamry. Corinne forum the thread from when this movie came out and they were talking about with a box office. Look like and they were like men like he's gonna get to make something with a big budget. Now what are we going gonna do. And then like seven years pass and he kind of comes out with beach bomb which is matthew mcconaughey playing. Almost a sort of alien like character A guy who lives in key west and his only goal in life is just a smoke weed and get drunk and sunny day. Yeah it's a comedy it's it's it's like a total stoner comedy interest Kind of set a little bit in this spring. Breakers milieu of florida of you know Similar kind of like low neon kinda look But different very different. I mean beach. Bum is more like on its face. Absurdist in surreal kind of Snoop dogg has a pretty big part in it. And there's like a little bit of a narrative of. I'm trying to remember what the story was it has to do with. He's like a poet but he no ambition. And so this is not a spoiler because it happens like the first ten minutes of the movie and it's it's really not a big deal but he's he's married to this rich woman who is sort of like his patron she's the one who supports them and he gets just as kind of fuck off all day and she ends up dying in her. Will it says in order for you to get like my estate. You need to publish your next book and by the way you don't have a publisher there's nothing set up. Yeah you have to go make this happen and so it's kind of it's a story about like a man child kind of trying to mature a little bit But but done in a very off beat off kilter kinda way and It's got a really funny martin. Lawrence cameo i will say really yeah. It's it's really. I mean it's like probably the funniest thing i've seen him do in a long time. Oh and yeah. I mean it's it's it's worth checking out but it wasn't like to me. It was kind of like a a companion piece to this film and this film by far was the more groundbreaking of the two. Yeah that one is just kind of like a fun. Silly stoner movie. i would say. I'll check it out. I'm looking spring breakers. It did thirty one mill worldwide against the five million dollar budget. That that's pretty good little hall. Yeah it did better internationally. Interesting corinne is beloved in france. And i could see that and when when when we're talking by the way about he takes this like seven year sabbatical. That's because he's shooting like all these fashion kind of a things he's working. He's working yet. He he works as a painter. He had a major retrospective at the modern art museum in paris. The the pompidou's center I guess a few years ago where they showed like most of his films of tons of his paintings. he has poetry. He you know he's like he's like a renaissance mixed media kind of guy. He does a lot of stuff outside of just like his official. You know narrative motion picture releases. So he's always busy always working on something but a lot of it kind of flies. A little bit below the radar. That's his wife in rachel. Korean new yeah. She played The second girl to shot. Yeah yeah the one who gets shot in the arm and not in a good and she also acted by the way in his film prior to this one trash hampers. Which is a terrific. Actually it sounds like a joke. It sounds like you know. Catch up with something something goofed off or whatever but trash dumpers is really like his return to cinema because between like jillian donkey boy and this film mister lonely. That was when he had his really dark period and came back with this film. Mister lonely which he made in a more kind of traditional european art house style. I would say it had. What's his name dini levant. Who is in votre vie that we talked about the the main guy the dancer oh He's in that film as a michael jackson impersonator On the surface. It sounds like it's going to be amazing But it to me. Movie is just kind of so so but it's good because it got him back making films and then not too long after that he makes trash lumper's which he shot. Just all on vhs cameras. It's basically trying to create this kind of found footage artifact item that you would find in a dumpster or in the woods or whatever and pop in and there these people wearing old man masks and just going around humping trash cans at night and you know and that's the movie. Yeah it's pretty much the movie but there's a monologue in that movie which is almost word for word the same monologue that's in spring breakers where they're talking about these people they just live in the same town they never leave and they never see the world and they just go to work and they go to best thing for him he's always Seemingly making movies about these lost kids who can't get out these sort of lower income children who are stuck in a place. Yeah and the trash dumpers sort sorta like rather than go to spring break or go somewhere else to try to escape. They just live where they live and they live in kind of like you know trailer park cash kind of environments. But they don't live a traditional life. They wear these masks. They go out into public. They mess with people they just get into trouble and raise hell and it's a similarly kind of rebellious kind of thing but I know a little darker. Maybe very very funny well the spring breakers you know in with this big shootout in slow mo that's like we mentioned it's the suspension of disbelief is tough here that these i mean it's it's hard to shoot a gun and i imagine i've never shot someone but i imagine it's really hard to shoot someone who has a gun trying to shoot you back and get away with doing thing where they like. Hold it by the side. Appear like style you know and that was kind of point. I don't think he wanted that to be realistic. But the kind of just mowed their way through this party and eventually get to gucci mane and take care of business there and the music to is like it's cool because on on one of the extras cliff martinez who haven't talked about yet. But he's the composer along with skirl x. For this film. Sea cliff martinez. He's done a lot of stuff from what ban was in well. He was in red hot chili peppers. Like okay all right right right right right. Now he lake. You know he's done everything from The limy to drive to the soderbergh remake salacious which has a really beautiful score. He's he's sort of like He's the guy you go to in hollywood if you want like sort of brian eno ambient floaty dreamy score to kind of like you know. Tie everything together so cliff. Martinez is talking about. How originally that whole shootout they had licensed like a piece of classical music source music. And which i could see ya. And so he looked at it and he was kind of like you know i feel like this is gonna. This is like the culmination of the film. There's been so much score in this movie. There ought to be like a a kind of like a a payoff for all those kind of musical themes and stuff so he basically wrote this kind of version of the skillet song that is like an ones and this is kind of like slow. Dreamy floaty contemporary of version of that But he just put it in there like they didn't ask him to write it. He put it in good and they watch the movie in harmony like apparently jumped up and hugged him. As like thank you that is. That's exactly what i wanted to ask for it like perfect. Yeah it really. I mean. I really love the ending despite it being completely unrealistic. I think that's what you're looking for their i'm again. i'm glad these girls lived. I mean certainly didn't want to see him. Die yeah I'm kind of curious of the five years on where they are where they end up. A a william blake quote the came to mind watching this and watching the terrence malick knight of cups. Basically he says that The the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Yeah and obviously that's an easy to misinterpret as just an excuse to go. Buckwald crazy I think there is something to it in the way you see it in this film where they really do arrive someplace different at the end of it and they really did learn something about themselves about life and the became different people and hopefully better people to and so again. It's this idea of like finding this kind of like real spiritual transcendent thing through the most crass material excessive right harmful toxic manners possible. It's really interesting idea. Yeah and i think the big question casey is. Who's gonna fill that crime back. Human saint pete the to going. Somebody's gotta step in there. Maybe girls exactly. Yeah you could you could well and there was even talk of a possible sequel which i think would have been the kind of thing where like maybe the producers give it to a different director whatever corinne has any in doing sequels and certainly not like a cash crab commercial cash. N kind of thing now. This is perfect. It was a ninety four minutes long. That's how long it should have been. Yeah he didn't overdo it. I mean he overdid everything but you know to great tight you know cafe kept it overstay its welcome. Yeah you gotta do that in a movie like this. I think i think it was a smart at it and I like the man. I liked it a lot of things a really good movie. Yeah he I look forward to what is going to do next like said beach. Bum was sort of like a continuation in this mode. And so i hope whatever is coming next will a new phase a new kind of You know a new moment in his in his career path. So we'll see it'd be interesting to see him do something really. I guess straightforward but still. Yeah yeah we could see that you know he. He's almost he's only couple years younger than me and fifty. Yeah he's He's still in interviews and everything has like that kind of youthful demeanor about him even though he is a little bit older now. He's a little bit more slow and deliberate and like he used to. Just make a sport of you know being absurd and ridiculous interviews and now he actually gives thoughtful. Yeah he's compelling answers to questions and while still being himself which is great then. That's that's the really wonderful thing is that he did find a way to remain all the good things about himself. Artistically while at the same time getting to a place where he's like knocking. Og or whatever you know. Yeah yeah exactly. That's cool all right. Well there's a lot of fun my friend. Glad you pick this. Because he forced me to watch it. And i probably i mean it was what i wanted to watch back then but it's not a movie eight years later. That is still high on my list. So i'm glad to watch it. I thought it was really cool Love the aesthetic of it. And i just thought it was a good way to spend ninety minutes on my spring break. Yeah i'm glad you. I'm glad you mentioned it had not jumped to the top of my head I think you had mentioned before. If i was going to pick a korean film i think it would have been gum. Probably but you know that. That's a film. People can seek out in wash series but But yeah this is this. This one was probably a good blend of somewhat more accessible and just like the the the intersection with spring break. So yeah it's great. And if you're into keg stands in porn beer all over bare breasts and bong hits out of I don't even know car tailpipes than this. This this is your movie is gonna take it that way. Then you probably could. Yeah but i thought it was a pretty good piece of satire and cautionary tale the all right. Well we'll think about something. 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Full Episode: Friday, August 28, 2020

Perspective

36:50 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Friday, August 28, 2020

"From ABC News this is perspective this week stories and why they matter I'm Cheri Preston. Coming up the Republicans make their case and Donald Trump makes his case for another four years. I profoundly accept this nomination for president of the United States. Pro Athletes Walk off the court and off the field following the police shooting of another black man let me and black black kids. We are terrified and bracing for hurricane in the midst of a pandemic. What's more important to get away from the storm? Home Dying and. Everybody's leaving. All ahead on perspective. This was one of those weeks where it was hard to keep up violence erupting in another American city following another police shooting to protest shot and killed by a seventeen year old accused of crossing state lines with an Ar fifteen style rifle and opening fire a category, four hurricane slamming into the Gulf coast, the pandemic making evacuations even harder and in the midst of it, all the Republicans laying out their case at the National Convention and the White House for why they think Donald Trump deserves another term. Built the most inclusive Adamy. Effort we will have law and order on the streets of this country for every American of every race and creed and color for the first time. In a long time, we have a president who has called out Washington. Sepulchre. CRECY and they hate him for it. Let's begin there in. Washington. ABC's Alec Stone tracked all of it and where president trump's speech capped off the week. Sherry is a fireworks were exploding over the Washington monument on Thursday night capped off a truly unusual two weeks of conventions both parties figuring out ways to hold a convention rally their bases get hours of radio and TV time, and to do it all while dealing with the pandemic for the Republicans this week most of what went on here in Washington was behind the gates of the White House and at other sites the love it was live it was mainly produced program but earlier in the week in Charlotte the real work of the convention. got. underway. Back. It was a much smaller crowd than anybody had imagined a few hundred delegates coming together to vote on party business into officially nominate president trump you remember the Democrats did the roll-call across America the Republicans did more traditional roll call of delegates in person casting their votes. Great State of Iowa fully sends full send unanimously all of our votes to renominate you to lead our country America under God for four. More, years, Mister President, and Mister Vice President. You're Rehire and as they were renominated, president trump and vice president pence making a surprise appearance the president giving along mostly unscripted speech we have to win. This is the most important election in the history of our country. The president claimed if he doesn't win a November election was rigged making unsubstantiated claims about mail in voting cut them doing some really bad things. In two, thousand sixteen let's see what happens. We caught them doing some really bad things. We have to be very careful because they're trying it again and with the president renominated the focus in turned here to Washington, kicking off the week of speeches. melania trump on Tuesday night acknowledging the country is dealing with doing something nobody else is done during these two weeks. She didn't blame the other side our lives have changed drastically. INVISIBLE ENEMY COVID NINETEEN Swept across our beautiful country and on racial equality. Acted on the racial unrest in our country. It is a harsh reality that we are not proud of acts of our history on Wednesday night vice president pence speaking as Hurricane Laura was slamming Louisiana violence was unfolding in Wisconsin never saying Jacob Blake's name but reacting to the violence, the violence must stop whether in Minneapolis Portland or Kenosha Thursday night bringing the big moment president trump's speech on the South Lawn of the White House. This is the most important election in the history of our country and then all around the Washington monument fireworks shooting on. It was a week heavy on the message of law and order as president trump was deploying federal agents to Kenosha to deal with the unrest there these were by no means regular conventions, the parties though seem happy that they pulled them off in the millions of people tuned in each night but with Cova nineteen, still a threat how they're gonNA campaign from here. Nobody knows Sherry. Let's break it all down with ABC News, Political Director recline you say in your note, the ABC News note the politics note that you right were you better off six months ago than you were four years ago interesting take on where the Republicans are trying to make their argument during the convention this year. Sherry, just tells you a little bit about how difficult the argument is Mike Pence said rather awkwardly this week. Make America great again again, and that's just difficult to get to people's heads around and I think that's one reason why the Republican convention took the that it did making that kind of bank shot argument is difficult. So the parallel argument is look the other guys way worse and that's why a polarization and kind of getting people to retreat to the partisan corners is a priority for this president at this time and. That's the way he took the fight as strongly as you did to Joe Biden if you were to watch the Republican National Convention this week. First of all, you would see have seen a lot of American flags and second of all you wouldn't have heard really much about what's been going on in the marches for social justice in Kenosha Wisconsin, the hurricane, the pandemic there was mention of it, but it wasn't front and center kind of the things that we heard during the Democratic convention it was a much different tone and. I think the president used selective reading and often rewriting history to tell the story of his presidency and of what the presidency would look like what the country under Joe. Biden had meant for instance, condemning the protests in Kenosha. Wisconsin but not mentioning anything about why they were happening not even Saint Jacob Lakes name so that to me was one of the many areas where the President Republicans this week glossed over the inconvenient facts and tried to create a narrative draws selectively on real events. The president's speech, it was a stark. Contrast to the Democrats when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came out with their matching black masks still keeping distance at the white. House, hardly anyone was wearing a mask people looked like there was social distance, but there were a lot of people there. I. Think the perception that the president is trying to portray in all of this is that the the were on the other side of the pandemic that were coming through it that life back to normal and you know he creates in his in the way that he puts together events. Throughout his time in politics kind of an aspirational feeling as jarring as all the sites and sounds were and would have been under any time to use the White House south. Lawn like that. It became more jarring to then see the the lack social distancing the lack of masks and the activities that would suggest that yeah. You know what there is nothing going on in this country that you have to be worried about what about using the white? House so many I mean thoughts. About that, it certainly violated ethics guidance to use a a setting that use public resources in any way like that it may have been illegal It's one of those things Sherry. Where someone I, think told the president this was questionable idea once it was raised in and then he touches the hot stove anyway and there's nothing that can truly be done about it. They'll be investigations but ultimately, he got the pictures he wanted he got the events he wanted and there's nothing or. No one that was able to stop it. It's really clear that that choice as an American voter could not be more different this change anyone's mind. Yeah I think there's a there's a myth that persist in this country of the of the decided voter and you know I I haven't found many of them. They certainly exists not what the election is about. It's about motivation is about getting your side excited and and underscoring the stakes and think the intent was really changing minds because i. Just don't think there are enough minds out there to get changed. How bad do you miss being in a big convention hall with the crazy outfits and the balloons and the confetti and everything else you know some of my fondest memories as a as a journalist maybe just as a person have been in in the bowels of these conventions I remember you know being in cramped sky box with Sam Donaldson eating a bad hotdog inbetween take some chicken fingers and a diet coke and. There's there's there's not a clamorous life to get up early and go through the security sweeps and sweat online but there is something about being there the energy, the life, the enthusiasm that only comes at a political convention it can't get recreated no matter how you try to consume these things I do hope that four years from now. Sherry. We're having this conversation in a faraway city where people are actually there to wash politics and action take care recliner political director at ABC News. Thanks so much a good week Sherri as of this weekend, we've got a little over two months to go before the election. Much of what happened in Kenosha Wisconsin this week played out on phones and on social medium there was the initial video of the shooting of Jacob Blake ABC's Ryan. Burrow who was in Kenosha this week starts us off the video shows the black man walking around police to the driver's side of his car walking by the white officers who have guns drawn as the open the door shots are fired. You appears to have been captured by someone across the street Kenosha police confirm the man was airlifted to a hospital in serious condition blake with survive but his family says he's paralyzed from the waist down. The shooting people took to the streets of Kenosha a city of about one hundred, thousand midway between Chicago and Milwaukee and once again, the protests were caught on video and distributed online this catcher by BG on the scene. With. Blake's father and mother spoke on Tuesday. Sun. Seven Times. Like he didn't matter. But my son matters I noticed. A lot of damage. It doesn't reflect my son. Or my family on Tuesday night protesters hit the streets again. But this time someone else to to a seventeen year old man named Kyle Rittenhouse armed with an Ar fifteen style rifle had driven up from Illinois police say and positioned himself amid the protesters Rittenhouse told blaze TV he was there guarding a car shop and was armed with lethal ammunition projecting from the citizens Adversary by. person in the crowd an hour and a half after that according to criminal complaint Rittenhouse can be seen running across parking lot turning to face a protester now described Joseph. Rosenbaum and shooting him Rosenbaum did not survive in Kenosha. ABC's Alex Perez describes. What happened next protesters tackle him to the ground. His next victim Anthony Huber tries to grab the gun attempting to disarm him with a skateboard but he shot in the chest and killed another protester gauge Gross Kreutz is shot in the arm on the scene were also caught on video yelling at police that people have been shot. But rittenhouse still armed with that long gone walks right up to police with his hands up and walks right past them. They do nothing. It's not until more than twelve hours later that police announced he's turned himself in across. State Lines Illinois. All Week sports stars were speaking up the Lakers Lebron James People get taught him. You say, but we are scared as Blackie and American. The New York met Dominic Smith Margo to the to their family. Owned it see it happen to my kids clippers coach Doc rivers became emotional. We're the ones getting killed. We're the ones getting shot rhythm wants. Deny. To live in certain communities. We've been home and. All you do is keep a fear. It's Mason. Why we keep loving this country. And this country isn't that US back in Milwaukee Bucks refuse to take the court for their playoff game. The bubble they were followed by those in the WNBA and major league soccer and the number one women's tennis player in the world they me Sokha refused to play. ABC's Ryan Smith is a legal analyst for ESPN and ABC News and Co host of ESPN's outside the lines he talked about all of it with perspective. Producer Eric Malo we've seen activism in sports before but I want ask you how this is different and why did it mostly stop the sports world this week this was unlike any day in sports history. This week was a combination of something that had been going on for a while with the NBA related to George Floyd's killing. When it became time become into the bubble, there was a handful of players that said should we? Actually be playing this might overshadow what's going on in this country and ultimately players decided to play. But when Jacob Blake was shot and that video dispersed in everyone saw it. You saw few NBA players including on the boxing should declaring and I think that led to a discussion especially with the bucks of saying, Hey, we got to do something more than wearing shirts kneeling during the national anthem and speaking out because we Want, more change and what we're doing right now is it working there players who are grieving and not as focused on playing sports at the moment and there are those who say who are responding and saying you know this is their job. I can't take this time off at my job, and then there are those defending the athletes saying, well, this is their brief period and they're taking time off they're gonNA come back but. What do you get the sense athletes are saying, do they feel an obligation to play through the grief or is it sort of split I? Think there are a number of athletes that do feel an obligation to play they see it as part of their job recede as part of what they love to do. But I think there is a critical distinction that exists between people who are saying, maybe we shouldn't play and others criticizing them for. I think that what is hard for some people to understand is that for a number of black athletes, the shooting of a young black men in their community is like shooting of a family member is like a shooting of someone who could be their brother their son. So when Jacob Lake was shot so brutally by an officer tugging his shirt when there seemed to be so many other options to achieve whatever police wanted to achieve in that situation I think there were a number of players and still. Continue to be a number of players that are grieving as if they lost a family member, and so I think when I see other people say and I think when athletes the other people say this is your job and she'd go back and play. You don't know what happened yet I. Think they might be missing the point of imagine if this happened to someone in your community that you care for doesn't matter well, imagine how hard it be for you to resume doing what you do at a high. Level, we've heard a lot of high profile sports figures say they want open up a dialogue and there people asking who do they want to open up a dialogue with team owners, league executives, politicians, or is it more general? Anonymous targeted isn't more mixed I think they're still trying to figure that out I. think there was a sense among many black athletes want to have this discussion that things are changing. Maybe things are getting better. My voices being heard then this happened and it felt like people really. Understand what we want to say it's like asking somebody to form a coalition and have a mantra and a business plan in four days I don't think that's going to happen. But I think the problem is there are a lot of other people out there who are expecting at the Hafer that takes time to come together. Then there are others who are saying well, George Floyd was killed and others have been killed wire some athletes, those sort of trying to figure out what they want to do about it. It's a work in progress. Now, in terms of who they want to talk to I think we're seeing definitely a groundswell of black athletes wanting to change laws wanting to speak directly to politicians and wanting to have a conversation with America about getting people to understand why this isn't just another incident of killing an were protesting and you've heard us, and now let's move on on the show that you co host outside the lines talk about societal issues intersecting with sports a lot and I I'm. As a journalist and a person of color how has this moment been different for you? Personally something about this moment has made it very hard to do my job in many ways I. Think we're all trained to be unbiased world trained to try to bring about both sides and I stay focused on that I'm talking about it does feel personal what happened to George? Floyd? It does feel like this could be made as could be my son. So it makes it hard to be able to have discussions from a variety of different angles, but also to get people. To understand why that is for. So many people I think that's part of the journalists obligation. It's not taking a side. It is trying to explain as we're doing this conversation why athletes and others are having your feelings that they're feeling. If you look outside looking in, you would say there's a large portion of the society that really hurt him in the same way that people are hurting in other ways and we've got that here those courses of society. It's a journalist job to try to bring out all of those stories. I think what we're seeing is a renaissance. Evident every athlete is feeling that they can be passionate and outspoken about what they believe in part of the narrative about then can be beyond this sport they play and I. think that's just unique in history. We've always seen athletes here and they're doing different things, Muhammad Ali, obviously all down history but we've never seen a groundswell of support from all athletes even some willing to put their careers on the line to make these kinds of statements and I think that's a positive thing for society that was ABC's Ryan Smith Legal. Analyst for ESPN, ABC and Co host of ESPN's outside the lines with our producer here perspective Eric Malla on Friday tens of thousands of people showed up in Washington DC to mark fifty seven years since Martin. Luther. King Junior's I have a dream speech but she gave August twenty eighth nineteen, sixty three on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial the speakers included Martin Luther King. Junior's granddaughter you Launder Rene King. Her Father Martin Luther King the third and Frank Nitty sends ball for walked from Milwaukee to Washington to fight for. Racial. Equality. Today. Coming together. I, ask you to pledge as my father John Lewis did to get into good trouble and do it nonviolent. Seven hundred fifty miles from award. He was causing twenty four days here because we're not gonNA stop it to get change. Coming up riding through the eye of Hurricane Laura on perspective after this. From ABC News. This is perspective this week stories and why they matter I'm Sherry Preston. Coming up teachers getting ready for a school year like no other that I. The country experiences some of its biggest tropical storms around this time of year. This is about the time that Hurricane Katrina struck in two, thousand, five followed shortly thereafter. My Hurricane. Rita. This year it was Laura barreling its way up the Texas Louisiana border leaving flooding wind damage and overall destruction in its path. ABC's Jim Ryan is covered dozens of hurricanes for us here at ABC News and as usual he was there for the worst of this. Four storm with winds clocked at one, hundred, fifty miles per hour. The category for Hurricane Laura is the most powerful storm to strike Louisiana coast since eighteen, fifty, six as measured by wind speed here in Lake Charles trees are bending over at right angles and debris is racing through the streets writing on powerful gusts and smashing against the sides of buildings. The wind was pelting the sides of Gyms Hotel on the storm surge was rising. But this time he experienced something different scream of wind and the banging of debris against the sides of this building the hotel itself was creaking in the wind. Now it's all. Stop it suddenly very quiet outside as I look at the radar APP on my phone it's clear I mean the eye of the hurricane for the people of Louisiana Twenty Twenty hurricane season presented a new challenge evacuating amidst the pandemic Jim Ryan was also there as people weighed their options staying put or taking their chances of covid nineteen ordering constituents to leave their homes is never a step that government leaders want to take. But as the skies darkened and the radar images showed a massive red donut taking up a large part of the Gulf of Mexico Galveston Mayor, Pro Tem Craig Brown says he had no choice. In extreme dangerous thing and so in a parking lot east, of Houston. Buses were loaded with evacuees, headed inland to Austin San, Antonio. Even Dallas. Fort. Worth more than two hundred fifty miles away. Evacuees had to ask themselves. What's more important? and. Everybody's leaving storm comes against the backdrop of a pandemic that killed tens of thousands kp George, the county chief executive in Fort Ben says that with or without a hurricane twelve in nineteen still here, and it is affecting our communities and we need to be cautious on the ground evacuation orders must take novel coronavirus into account in everything they do. Social distancing everyone has to have a mask. We're doing temperature checks and similar guidelines were imposed on the shelters where those evacuees were taken despite the strong warnings in dire predictions and despite the ease of finding transportation out of Lora, strike zone some people still refuse to leave is an agent obese. This would you deal with neighbors are planning on staying also so we'll just be altogether and help each other. The best we can Jim Ryan ABC News Lake Charles Louisiana. This is why these evacuations why this storm matters with. So many Americans out of work there's been a lot of concern about paying rent and mortgages. The city of New Orleans has a large low-wage population they faced a lot of job. Losses and other hardships during the pandemic hundreds of renters have received eviction notices there and local advocates and officials say we should expect worse as the hurricane season really gets going Emily Benn for is a lawyer and CO founder of the Vixen lab a covid nineteen housing policy scorecard. She spoke to ABC News about millions of possible evictions taking place across the country the United States is facing the most severe. Housing prices our country has ever seen approximately thirty to forty million children and adults are facing eviction right now to put this in perspective in the entire year of two, thousand, sixteen, three, point, six, million addictions were filed. One third of Louisiana's population is African American in New Orleans it's nearly two-thirds communities of color at extremely high risks and addiction even before the pandemic, The Wall Street Journal Report of this. Week New Orleans is one of the most susceptible places in the country for mass evictions. Louisiana's ban on vacations during the pandemic expired in June and the grace period for a separate federal eviction moratorium just expired this week. The mayor of New Orleans is asking for donations to raise money for tenants who can't pay the rent since forty four percent of the state's rent. A residents are considered housing cost burden. And Louisiana has some of the lowest unemployment benefits of any state most tenants move out voluntarily when receiving an eviction notice and if they don't the government will step in. Over the past two weeks, there's been a lot of discussion about how different the national political conventions have become as a matter of fact, over the past four years, there's been a lot of discussion about how different the political parties have become Donald Trump has reshape the Republican party and Fox News has had a lot to do with that. Brian stelter is. CNN's chief media correspondent. He's out with a new book on the relationship between the president and the network. Now, a lot of people say that CNN has transformed just as much as Fox has in the exact opposite direction. I asked him about that when we discussed his book this week this book about Fox News or is it more of a about President trump? I think it's a book about the trump vacation of Fox and the Fox vacation of America they go hand in hand. But what I think is the untold story of the trump years is Fox's influenced. So so I would say this is a book about how Fox has changed and how Fox has also changed trump You know at this point I'm not. Sure where Fox ends and trump begins. One of the things that you talk about your book is that when Roger Ailes left Fox, it was almost like a rudderless shop. There was really no one in charge and a lot of the insiders you talked to at Fox News. We're saying we're not sure what's going on at a Tori Lee. So what you've found out What happened with Rodriguez in two thousand and sixteen decades of abuse was exposed because Gretchen Carlson sued ails brought his abuse into the light other women came forward and testified his harassment and assaults, and of course, he was forced out of his job. He died a year later and I thought interviewing sources of Fox. They would say good riddance we are so glad he was finally removed but. Instead, a lot of people there said at least he was in charge at least he was a strong leader. Yes he was a bully, but at least he was our bullet there's been a leadership vacuum at Fox ever since hails was forced out by the way. That's else's fault because he never groomed a strong successor I definitely put that on him as well as the Murdoch's with the point. Here is that trump was able to fill that leadership vacuum? He basically had star at Fox. News say we always produced the network for an audience of one Roger Ailes and when Ales was out, we started to produce it for Donald Trump instead. So there's still an audience of one but now it's trump. Let's talk about the relationship between Donald, trump and Fox News when he goes on the. The morning show Fox and friends in the morning. You know he he just basically blows up all the programming that they had planned because he'll stay on there for all the time I remember the first time he did that during his first year in office and we were here in our newsroom listening going. Oh my gosh she's still on he's still on a and that was Kinda like. Invitation to just keep doing that in some ways I'm glad Fox just gives them the time because we get to hear what trump is really like on the phone. This is how he talks with his friends and his advisors like Sean Hannity just rambles and rambles. Privately. He's a run on sentence. One of my favorite quotes in the book is on page two, hundred, Fifty, eight it's from faulk staffer who says when I was working on this person says when I work on Fox and friends and I know that trump is booked in the eight am our I don't bother working on my assignment for the end of the hour because I know that trump is going to talk until the end of the hour and then trump doesn't show up that person's like Oh God I gotta fill the segment. What am I going to do? What about the relationship between Sean Hannity and Donald Trump? It is a is a key relationship to understand the trump presidency because trump. Programs Hannity Show, and Hannity Helps Produce Trump's presidency. But I think this actually does a disservice to Fox into the country because Hannity feeds misinformation to trump and then trump feeds at right back to the rest of us for example, exaggerating what's happening in Portland and Seattle this summer it's not that these news events don't occur right? It's that Hannity blows them out of proportion spins them to be life and death stories, and it all plays into the presence law and order narrative. I think if the Hannity and the other stars of Fox were presenting more nuanced, more helpful, more accurate information then maybe the president would benefit, but instead he actually gets hurt when they try to help. Eight this is kind of your book, but is CNN what has happened to CNN because a lot of people will say that CNN. is now opposition news where it's taking a clear stand against president trump the exact opposite of what Fox News is doing. I would say Fox is unique in the news world because it is State supported. TV, it's not literally state run TV right but it is state supported because it's the favored network it promotes trump and trump promotes at trump sometimes lashes out at the news anchors because he wants them to be even more supportive but it is. Unprecedented in American history to have network in a president. So close I think what has happened with? CNN, and to some degree with all the other major networks is that we've been pushed into a position where we have to fact check. So aggressively, and so frequently because there's been so much confusion chaos and misinformation that's been coming from the trump White House it's not as if I WANNA. Go on TV and say the president lied today I still feel a little bit uncomfortable saying those words but when the lies are told dozens and dozens of times and he's been corrected so often At the point you have to call it what it is I I think what's happened with CNN and the trump ears is we're trying to call it what it is when Donald Trump was running for president. There's a lot of people have said if he loses he's going to start trump TV where plans for that that you've been hearing now now you know depending on what happens over the next three months I say at the end of hoax, there are billionaires standing by help ready to help trump, bankroll, a media empire, his own I had insiders say. To me things like trump wants control he wants trump TV. But of course, this has been talked about for years and has never come to pass right now he has web shows to promote his campaign but not many people are watching. I. Actually Think Fox, is bigger than trump at this point and if he were to lose the election and go off and law network I, think he would find it to be a very difficult thing to do. But look there is fear about inside. Fox? One of the stars they're said to me trump is like Fox's Frankenstein. Him. He's out of control and nobody knows what will happen when he leaves the White House CNN chief media correspondent Brian Stelter on his new book hoax Donald Trump Fox News and the dangerous distortion of the truth. This week, the CDC quietly changed its tune. Their website now says people who don't show rotavirus symptoms and may have been exposed to someone who has it don't need to get tested. It's quite a shift from the messaging. We heard the past five months and it concerns Dr Sheesh. Who heads up the Harvard, global health institutes about half of all spread happens from people who don't have symptoms and the idea that we're GONNA stop recommending those people get tested it will make the outbreak much much worse. Oh I. Think we're all baffled by this decision all this is something teachers have been thinking a lot about a schools reopen and. They in their students reenter classrooms earlier this summer are Brad milkey spoke with Florida fourth, Grade Teacher Meghan. Hanrahan. About reopening schools she was very concerned about reopening plans. Now, she's back in the classroom. She spoke again this week with ABC's Brad Milkey on our daily podcast start here start with what your class looks like how many students are sitting in there. I have twelve, which is definitely manageable for them to be spaced out about three feet. We were told to space out our desks and stagger them. So for instance, if you have a row than every other one is staggered forward or backwards, and in the size of our rooms, I would say about twelve to fourteen would fit doing that even their supplies are different the situation. With that, for example, I would always have been of sharpened pencils and they would just get up and get one and in order to kind of combat that I've decided to give all the kids mechanical pencils because I don't want them going to a communal pencil sharpener I clean up my area, the custodial staff cleans the doorknobs and the doors and the commonly touched things every day. The students get hand sanitizer anytime they leave or enter the room the school building the cafeteria anything. I've gone through a half, a bottle of hand sanitizer. Are they wearing masks or the kids do have masks on and they are told it? It is required. They're getting more used to it. I think but it is a hard thing to police once they are in a larger group. For example, at recess, we have you know the great level outside together. So the process for that is they can take it off, but they have to be spaced out and you know right when you go outside, we're in central Florida. In August, they take off their masks and then you know they just magnets their children, the younger the harder. I am still not comfortable with it. There are school is about thirty percent occupied with face to face students. I told my parents who live in south Florida I'll. Hopefully. Maybe I'll see them Thanksgiving or Christmas I. Just I don't feel comfortable after being exposed. Are they moments the day where you're like Oh if that kid had Kovic like I've got Cova you're sitting in a room with however many students between ten and twenty one and it math and I look at a student who is just not understanding I'm going to go over to him and help him and manipulate his hand and move his hand on a police value chart. For example, you can't do that without touching were being in contact with their belongings. So yes. So, how are you envisioning the rest of the month or the school year playing out? Yes. So I have no idea I mean. I assume at some point, we'll be back to being virtual if A. Staff member or student. Test. Positive Megan Hanrahan. Thank you so much for conduct. And be well. Thank he ran. Finally this week, we're going to talk a little bit about masks, cloth masks or disposable surgical masks. Blue side out always have to remember blue side out can ever remember that they aren't effective way to stop you from spreading the coronavirus onto others. Especially, if you don't know you have it, you've been told that many times over past five months. But now doctors are talking about the effectiveness of protecting you from not only giving the virus you can be protected from getting it to but the University of North Carolina's Dr Richard Boucher says that's only if You put the Dang thing over your nose things likely started in the nose and the knows basically is purveyor of all viral Il factor Eamon with the ABC News Medical Unit Puts It. Another way people don't realize that are knows has a lot of receptors more so than we have in our lungs in our lower respiratory tract. So you at a higher risk of catching the virus if the virus enters your nose doctor, Boucher says given a choice between the lungs and the lower respiratory tract the virus appeared to pick the knows as a fertile ground. Infection? Yeah. Even doctors get to make puns now and again during pandemics in reality though maybe this will get you to put on that mask over your nose because it really does seem to work both ways wearing a mask if you're infected, are you protect your fellow citizens the end versus also true if you're wearing a mask, you protect yourself. So put it on poet up over your nose. Yeah. We know it's a little hard to breathe nothing about the coronavirus pandemic is ideal but in this case, covering your nose, a little double nostril super receptor in between your eyes could actually save your life. From ABC News this has been perspective. Thanks for listening. If you listen to any of our past shows you can subscribe to the perspective podcast. Give us a review. If you've the time, tell us what you like and what you'd like to hear in the future you can find it on apple podcasts, spotify stitcher or wherever you listen to your podcast. You can also find perspective and other ABC. 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Daily good evening. Los Angeles great to be back in Los Angeles. Love it or leave. It is heading out on the road. We will be in San Francisco. That's basically sold out but there's a couple of left. A couple of tickets left and then policy of America we live in San Jose on September twenty sixth and Portland on September twenty seventh and crooked dot com slash events. There were three moments this week that captured for me something essential -sential fundamental but the kind of people that work for Donald Trump the trump pokemon if you will his apologist has defenders and each of these three moments captures and evolution of trump POK MON and so I would like to to discuss them with you tonight stage one. You're a clown who debase yourself for the dear leader who temps down and dignity and sense of itself gives over to the task of saying anything no matter how silly let's roll the clip of Lou Dobbs aggregrate weekend. The president makes such a thing possible for Boris all have a great weekend. The president makes such a thing possible for us all all who knew imagine saying it but imagine sitting at home and being like I'm GonNa show trump awesome gratitude this weekend. It's all up to him since can be pretty great figure out what Ad Astra is and then there is the next evolution you're a clown confronted with those lies ideally under under oath and all your bluster and all your little smirks and playing to the people you can't lose isn't enough because you don't respect the people who respect what you're doing so let's roll the clip of Corey Lewandowski don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff sessions or the Department of Justice in any way so did you hear that Sir that was you saying on. MSNBC you don't ever remember the president ever asking you to get involved with Jeff sessions or the Department of Justice us in any way shape or form. That wasn't true sir. I heard that and that was not true. I have no obligation to be honest with the media just because there's just as much as anybody else so you're admitting sir. You're not being truthful in that clip correct my interview with remember. It can be interpreted any way you'd like. Would you like me to play it again. I also appreciate the logic of it. which is that like when you lie on television? You're not lying to television. You know you're lying to people watching the television so doc if you can do anything on television that's as bad as what you perceive what other people do on television. There's incest on game of thrones so I liked that. Corey Lewandowski because obviously there have been a lot of implications of what he said there implications for the media. Maybe don't book or Lindau Ski on your show because he doesn't believe he has to be honest which presumably is one of the goals of talking to him on television. He also confirmed that the mullahs report is accurate basically accurate which means he's confirming that Donald Trump beseeched him to commit obstruction of justice and that even Corey Lewandowski who is very smart knew that it was is such a bad idea that he didn't want logged in the records so that's our second-stage alright desperately trying to cling to some form of self esteem self regard trapped between the tension of continuing to lie to protect your ego and not wanting to lie under oath because because you don't want to go to jail finally we reach the third evolution of the trump pokemon and it is a vulgar and sad important display. I would like to say if you are squeamish. Maybe lower the volume. Do not pause do not shut it off. Get to the ADS doc. Let's roll the Clip Sean Spicer dancing the south sick with his partner Lindsay. It's Sean Spicer. I had not seen it until this moment. I'm so happy. Can you fucking believe what we did to him. You know what it has been the difficult few years but there are heroes everywhere because there is a makeup artist gay costume designer and gays stylist who did their part for the resistance the. I think you achieve get out there. No it works. I know you've you're worried. I know you feel uncomfortable but it's a bold choice and people are GonNa love it no. That's that's the look right now. Shiny the shirt the skin the hair shot. Here's the thing Sean I've been doing this a long time and I'm telling you like. I know you've never done this before. But I'm a professional you're in the hands of professional. Did you see the gift breath of him. The first introduction where he shakes his hands and he's he's coming down the stairs chilling to the fucking I had the same feeling watching launching him coming down the stairs and doing that Shimmy as I do when I would catch a moment of that show to catch a Predator explain. Why let me explain why because it was the feeling of watching someone caught doing something terrible that deserves it while at the same time recognising it was bad for my soul to be taking this joy in seeing someone at the lowest and darkest moment of their lives and obviously these are different things? I'm not comparing the thing but I don't even know if that's allowed. Here's the point not everyone who has left the trump. Administration has so thoroughly debase themselves so obviously not everyone has been dressed up like a literal clown for our amusement. Ah We've seen others cling to dignity more successfully but I am very grateful to Sean Spicer for in a way that I've been grateful to him from the very beginning which is he has an inability to hide on the outside. What's happening on his inside. Unlike your Kellyanne Conway's you're Stephen Miller. You're Sarah Huckabee Sanders who managed to have a kind of dead vacant expression who have more thorough elite killed the part of themselves that feels shame so they can just look you in the fucking and say something insane that is opposite of what they said yesterday yesterday and shame on you for questioning. That's an incredible skill killing. That part of yourself takes practice. Sean never was up to it. He's always managed to show on on his face and in the Jack what's going on inside and what's exciting about this is that's what's inside. Every trump official shaw a clown desperately dancing for relevance. Thank you sean it one more time for Sean Spicer. What are you doing. How bad books. How much could they pay. Does anyone know this is an industry town. Does anybody know what they start out when they go. Sean Spicer said yes what is it no. It's SAG rates. Are you fucking fucking kidding me. He's making scale really. It's just for publicity guys. I'm so so glad I asked he's not even making money. Yes what a disaster but that's not all that happened this week. Purdue Pharma Company that had been an oxycontin filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying court settlements yeah terrific. The lawyer said the company he didn't have the money unless anyone here wants to buy like a thousand oxy's right now to say. It's your back. What's fun? He's fine. Whatever didn't even notice I had a whole Congress. I was this close still in there. Yeah obviously somebody's Dan back in your phone I was I've been tongue that I've been talking to you. You've heard me didn't look I literally was this far asking on on your fucking phone what's going on. Are you a doctor. Is there a patient in need. You're telling me that at our weekly podcast where we cover the week's news you had to go into your phone to gather other other news coverage. You were unsure of our on it yet. Well guess what I watched that clip on my way here and we are going to cover it. Sir Show me some respect there was also a ton of pharmacy news this week from elections in Israel tensions with Iran and intelligence whistleblower inside the US government here to help us break it down. He was the the deputy national security adviser for President Obama where he kills us on bin. Laden with his hands seems exaggerated and more and more the CO host of crooked media pond. Save the world. Please welcome Ben Rhodes. I invent good. I'm glad everything I've done in life. Led Me Right here. Roll past that in the in the past here at love it or leave it. We've done a V. Tour de a tour to cover foreign policy but tonight. We're going to take our horse to the old town roads. That's it. That's the noise we we got. We didn't know what we could get away with legally so we're just a little tiny little tastes so first of all do you remember when I came screaming into your office us because I'd successfully removed acknowledgments from speech because there was this fight about how often brock Obama would have to acknowledge local officials because because the thing that would happen is because of political reasons trying to keep everybody happy when the president would go give a speech somewhere. There'd be like five or six people. You'd have to thank so you'd think the mayor thank the city council person you'd think the assembly person the problem was that cable networks would only take about five minutes of the speech so the president would be giving a speech about the economy and then Dan. MSNBC would cover four minutes of acknowledgments in one minute so I'm here today to talk about the economy and then they go back to whoever was anchoring saying we'll come back to the president and so you never ever get the news out so we would always to get rid of the acknowledgments and there was one time where I like. It was really tough fight to keep the acknowledges to a minimum this is what happens in politics and aw I had successfully done it by waiting out the clock because they tried to sneak him in but the president was already on his way to the podium and like ran into the Ben's office was John's office connected by a door and Iran. I was like the fucking acknowledgements and then there was just a room full of very serious foreign policy journalists in there. They always thought I was a little cooler thinking John. Let's start with Iran and Saudi Arabia classic odd couple. Can you explain what has led to this confrontation. That's playing out right now. You can start at about two hundred. Ad If you'd like or or just the past week I'll start with the Iran deal which I labored for eight years so what happens is president trump pulls out of the Iran nuclear agreement at the behest of Saudi Arabia and actually we can start with jared being deputized to be the guy in charge of this relationship with the Saudis Right which as far as title involves jared going over there with no security clearance and no adult supervision and hang out Mohammed bin Salman Yacht where he's buying caravaggio paintings for seven hundred million dollars and making deals about American policy so that's how it starts. I also just think it's inappropriate for someone to be Jewish that tall and have skin that that's good. That's like fuck you you go on so noted. New York Observer Publisher Jared Kushner essentially outsources our entire farm policy the Saudis we pull out of the Iran nuclear agreement we escalate a war in Yemen that we never should have gotten into in the first place causing a huge humanitarian crisis. The Iranians are also also fighting on the other side of that war in Yemen so there is an act of war that has already been taking place in that part of the world after trump pulls out of the Iran nuclear agreement. He starts piling on sanctions on the Iranians wins bostering threats. John Bolton is leading us into war with Iran. Donald Trump figures that out when the planes are actually in the air to go bomb Iran and his told the by the Chairman Joint Staff to pull that back but what we've seen since then is that the Iranians are very upset that there are these sanctions that they've been punished even though they were complying with this nuclear deal there in a proxy the Saudis so they're lashing out in different places assaulting tankers in the region they shot down that US drone and presumably either they or their proxy in Yemen or their ally in Yemen group called the WHO these blew up the Saudi oil infrastructure a few days ago well. This exposed the fact that the Saudis are incredibly vulnerable to Iranian aggression. You have the trump people beating their chest in saying this is an act of were you have. Donald Trump saying that he is waiting for the instruction of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammad bin Salman about what to do reminder that Mohammed bin. Salman is a man who killed the the journalists chopped to pieces constitution dot complicated because it's like the president has inherent authority according to the unitary unitary executive theory others claim that Congressional Authority has been limited too much by an overreaching executive branch but very rarely have I heard anyone voca causing the constitution that gives the war powers to Saudi monarchs. Well Klaus might be the amendment that has the tally of how how many millions of dollars the Saudi suspend at trump property since he took office right how much money that they promised probably do invest jared's real estate ventures either during or after the administration Asian but then the reality is what becomes evident once again. Is that the American people don't think it's a good idea to go to war on behalf of Saudi Arabia. There's essentially been a backlash in terms of public opinion and and trump once again is pulling back so for the time being does not look like we're going to war but the problem is everything in trump's foreign policy because he he wants to have the appearance of being tough on Iran. You have the appearance of being tougher than Obama. He wants to do the bidding of people like Mohammed bin. Salman makes that conflict more likely even though trump it doesn't get us into it so we're going to be living in this kind of tenuous anxiety ribbon place where essentially we are doing things to escalate but the Iranians the Iranians they're going to be punching back and then trump is going to be withdrawing from the word lost moment. Okay sorry that just okay now. Let's turn to accountability in the American system. the whistle blower story a complaint from inside and Intelligence Agency has set-off confrontation between the trump administration and Congress. You've seen reporting the whistle blower was so alarmed by trump's behavior that he filed or perhaps a response to trump attempting to push Ukraine to to investigate Biden Hillary and Hillary. Why not did it says try a new dish but also we'll get an appetizer that you already know so I was Gonna ask. How big a deal is this? That seems a stupid question. What the the park yeah. There's a lot to say this. I mean first of all. The whistle blower laws very clear. If a whistle blower brings a complained to do the inspector general of the intelligence community and the inspector general finds that it's urgent and serious matter of national security that automatically has to go to Congress that laws already been violated because trump's handpicked director of national intelligence is refusing to allow that to happen acting director and acting director because he fired the director he fired tired the deputy director and found the only guy was willing to take the job and Lo and behold that guy's falling on the sword for this right now. That's problem yeah then I start with. How serious is you essentially have a country Ukraine that has been invaded by its neighbour? Russia and there's still a war going on eastern Ukraine. There's still people being killed in eastern. Ukraine and we should be very mindful that as with a lot of stuff with trump you can obscure the fact that there's like people's lives actually at stake your and Ukraine depends a lot on the assistance we provide them the pressure we put on Russia which is not exactly something. Trump has seemed like a a natural fit for famously. Yes huge issue. Ukraine elected a new president recently. WHO's a comedian John. This may be your future. He plays president of Ukraine now. He he played the Ukrainian president in a show and he was so convincing in that show that he ran for president got elected President Ukraine. Actually this is taking the roads here. Okay okay so that happened. You guys miss this because trump but this is a pretty good story but meanwhile this guy is actually been earnestly trying to be reformer but lo lo and behold the most important farnd supporter that he has the United States the first ask he gets from them is to have a meeting with rudy the Juliani who goes over there to say you have to investigate whether Joe Biden aided and abetted corruption in Ukraine story that has been widely debunked oh and by the way can you investigate whether or not Ukraine was helping Hillary Clinton the two thousand sixteen election. That's actually true visa just like send in a voice mail yeah. I don't care kill me here. So so what does this mean. This means that trump was trying to essentially extract some promise from Ukraine Ukraine to do this in exchange for something Lo and behold a lot of weapons and support that we were supposed to give to Ukraine was being held up by the trump administration during this period of time time so we'll see what the facts say the appearance is certainly that they were literally leveraging our support for this country that had been invaded in exchange for a promise us to let Rudy Giuliani pursue his conspiracy theory fever dream to discredit Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton which is a problem you can't put Rudy Rudy Giuliani in charge of your nefarious investigations because he's not up to it John. He's not up to and and again. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the United States is leveraging the power of his office to try to get a foreign government that is is the center of a national security issue to eight his campaign. The impeachment closet was written into the constitution like literally like when they're sitting around. This is what they had in mind. They had like three fifths. Compromise is a are good and this is is what impeachment is for Yup. That's about it and that's town roads. We come back. Bring out the rest of our don't go anywhere more of love it or leave it coming up. Love it or leave. It is brought to you by parachute parachute rights hey John. How are you enjoying your new supreme towel bundle however meaning to ask someone that appreciates quality baffling ends? We're hoping you can help us resolve a discussion here at parachute. HQ when traveling is it weird to bring your own towels with you. Yes that was that was a prompt for us to have a conversation. I love if my parachute towels. I will say this. I was just on the road for a week. I was in New York. 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Would you like to use an alias because because we're going to discuss the fact that you work at USC. My whole family will here. They'll be so proud coal google Google and your co workers sadly the as much as I talk about this my co workers. Don't listen to this podcast because you work at USC if you worked at UCLA everyone we'll talk to the town ucla. They're hiring shirts like a city fair enough sean saying thinking about Ucla High Tory Hi. Uh How are you. I'm well. How are you otherwise doing great. Climate change killer tradition thank you. Tory redding born ratty climate change. It's a meteoroid is coming to earth and it requires sending ten of the world's greatest oil drillers into space but those oil drillers worked for big oil company so that oil company starts putting out anti Meteo propaganda that says it's all a big lie and then a whole cottage industry pops up saying that the media or is it conspiracy from NASA and by the way Aliens Real and Vaccines Cause Autism and you're like okay aliens are real real but back seasons don't cause autism and now you're arguing about vaccines and you remember what Ben Affleck said in the DVD commentary of argument which is why would you train oil drillers to be astronauts instead of astronauts oil drillers then you look up and realize wait. This is Armageddon. This isn't even deep impact. It's Melancholia section. Got It all right. Sorry we're making assumptions. I never have so many hands said it's fine while explaining why it was fine anyway this coming Monday September twenty thirty United Nations will host a UN climate action summit where leaders from around the globe will meet and talk about collective action. The world can take to reach net zero emissions by the middle of the century. It's led by young people in the world and it makes you fast forward into the future to see how we did and so so this week and our commitment to covering climate change. That's what we're GonNa do so let's go to the future you already a Lisa Press. The Future Feature Bun the password is Biden's is sixty nine sixty nine three two one. You were nineteen ninety-two the two totally check out. This is for the future welcome to love it or leave it. I'm your host John. On Love Hemsworth. It's so great to be in the year of our Lord. Bezzaz twenty-fifty live from the comedy store. We're just last night. Hollywood would legend Gene Gillis did his famous Justin Trudeau Brown face impression. Wow never thought I'd see it in person what a treat on so sorry all right as as you all know this is the thirtieth anniversary of the UN climate action summit which really was a turning point for the way we dealt with climate change and we thought we take a look back on just how much the planet has changed in a game. We're calling two thousand nineteen. I can't believe what happened to trump. Also does that mean. Hemsworth married married into your family or I married a Hemsworth and wanted to take the name but I wanted to keep my name. He just kept his name aw he stayed. Hemsworth and I'm became Hemsworth love. It and we still don't know which one it is. Maybe it's a couple of them. It's it's the future it's twenty fifty and I had to have two of them still left the third one out but which third one everyone knows take the westworld one all right here is how it works. 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DC furious is president bar did the only logical thing she nuked the tornadoes or is it be due to widespread water shortages in two thousand twenty nine clean drinking water became the status symbol. We know is today. That's why Inbev introduced a line of hard waters with five percent alcohol by volume and fun flavors like like potable lime and no lead this trend led to many influencers arguing that we shouldn't shouldn't stop climate change because it makes them seem cool that they can afford things other people. Can't what do you think influencers are think and cool or is it see John want to say that when I was in Paris with President Obama. Would we were finally scored. This is not what I thought I'd be talking uh-huh this point but I'll say I was embarrassed. 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Christine Fair on Developments in Kashmir

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Christine Fair on Developments in Kashmir

"<music> the indians have been very worried. That trump is going to cut a deal in afghanistan coniston that puts the taliban back in power in some way or another. This is very likely to happen. The indians no from the nineteen nineties when the taliban were empower groups that attack india were co located with the taliban the trained they were resourced and there were i._s._i. Which pakistani intelligence officers co located skated with this cluster of militants so the indians know that what happens in afghanistan doesn't stay in afghanistan and india more so than than other neighbors has paid indirect price so there was talk about doing this as early as february within the pulwama crisis happened than the elections occurred in it and it got kicked so many people in india i think is you know i was in india. When when this was going down well placed indians who are well connected to the government what they felt was as the immediate trigger was not only the peace negotiations and the looming certainty of a bad deal coming but it was actually what happened opened with president trump and imran khan here in dc. I'm michaela fogel and this is the law fair podcast august twenty seventh two two thousand nineteen on august fifth. The indian government announced that it was revoking the special status for the states of jammu and kashmir enshrined in article three seventy of its constitution since then the government has instituted a lockdown on the kashmir valley. Hundreds of people have been detained. There have been mass protests and tens of thousands of indian troops deployed to the region professor christine fair of georgetown university security studies program sat down with benjamin witness to discuss article article three seventy. It's history and the current state of play in the region. It's the law fair podcast episode four hundred forty seven christine fair on developments mentz in kashmir so walk us through the last couple of weeks in kashmir what precipitated this whole the latest round of controversy and and difficulty and what steps has the indian government taken in in response to the controversies that that it generated so on august fifth monday the government announced that it was essentially legal revoking article three seventy in substance the article three seventy remains on the books because it used article three seventy to hollow out article three seventy and in advance of that people were growing suspicious that something was like what's going to happen of this nature because over the course of <unk> several days preceding this even weeks they were airlifting total of some forty thousand troops they had on the night of sunday august fourth they put mainstream politicians under house arrest and they declared a communications blackout so by monday morning everyone knew something was coming and that's what they did at the highest level of altitude what does gutting article three seventy due to government in kashmir like what's different rafter this action than before it so it's not only gutting article three seventy is also the way in which they did it that needs to be understood getting rid of article three seventy itself simply says that kashmir is going to be subject to the indian constitution that there's not going to be separate parallel legal legal regimes right so as of august fifth in of course will be contested in the courts kashmir is going to be like any other territory in india. It's gonna be subject to the to the constitution as opposed to its own state constitution that it had prior to august fifth but the additional things at the state eight did have a particular flavor that has caused some rancor among many india so the first thing that they did was instead of just letting jammu kashmir remain a state and that has all the indian laws applicable. They actually <music> bifurcated the area so lay in the dock is a dock is going to become a separate union territory number explained that in a minute and in kashmir are going to become a separate union territory so this is actually the thing has been. I think even more problematic for many people. They didn't just revoke self-governance they he actually broke up the territory burke territory in the downgraded the status from state to union territory now. We don't have anything like this in the u._s. System and the the two territories have different kinds of union territory ness so the doc is gonna be like the vast majority of union territories in india and there's actually actually a large number of them. It is going to be directly governed from the center. It will have political representation in the lower house the lok saba but for every every other purpose is going to be governed from the center. It will not have the equivalent of a state assembly. Jim mulan cashmere is still going to be a union. Territory is going to be governed from the center but at some point with no timelines specified it will be like delhi or pondicherry and that it will we'll have an assembly right so it's gonna be it a look much more like deli and governance or pondicherry <hes> jammu and kashmir this. This move is actually clever from a security point of view because of the corruption in the police forces and the corruption of the police forces that were tied to corrupt politicians so overnight politics is completely redone. These parties are gonna have to seriously rethink their strategy to remain viable also also they were dynastic parties and b._j._p. Tends to dislike the dynamic parties also overnight now. The police forces are now answerable to the center and so the state hopes that this is going to give them a better handle on law and order issues so the next question that naturally arises is why now in why did did they do this and this unfortunately is tied to geopolitics in the region. The indians have been very worried that trump if is going to cut a deal in afghanistan the puts the taliban back in power in some way or another. This is very likely to happen. The indians no from the nineteen nineties that when the taliban power groups that attack india were co located with the taliban they trained. They were resourced and there were i._s._i. Which is pakistani intelligence. Dilligence officers co located with this cluster of militants so the indians know that what happens in afghanistan doesn't stay in afghanistan and india more so oh than than other neighbors has paid a direct price so there was talk about doing this as early as february but then the poem crisis happened than the elections occurred in it and it got kicked so many people in india i think is you know i was in india. When when this was going down well placed indians who are well connected to the government what what they felt was the immediate trigger was not only the peace negotiations and the the looming certainty of a bad deal coming coming but it was actually what happened with president trump and imran khan here in dc imran khan being the pakistani prime minister. Yes trump literally took the third rail of indian politics and wacked india with it. When trump offered natalie offered intervene in kashmir he actually lied and inside the prime minister modi had asked him to intervene and prime minister imran khan made a massive score when he tied the security in kashmir to afghanistan so the indians or ballistic and and of course trump is continued along these lines even after mo the indian indian minister of external affairs absolutely did not happen so indians think this was the immediate trigger that said no no no we we've. We've got to do this do this now or we're going to dive deep back in time in kashmir but before we do what's the current state of play so the current state of play is that they still have the the mainstream politicians under house arrest. They've released. Some of the telecommunications shutdown and we are seeing quite a bit of protests in kashmir but you know what i think. The most disturbing part about this is how this move has been seen by hindu nationalists or hindutva the eh proponents. We're seeing some really disturbing things coming out of popular culture you know there's always been this fetish ization of kashmiri women. They're always talked about as being very fair. They're talked about as being excessively beautiful and both culturally and geographically out of reach so we are seeing pop music. We're we're seeing random obnoxious tweets from b._j._p. Supporters b._j._p. Politicians saying that now is the time to go and mary a kashmiri bride. It doesn't matter that she's a muslim so in some sense this is like an inversion of some of the claims that hindu denationalised of made about muslims waging love jihad whereby they claim that muslim men are trying to seduce hindu women as part of a demographic jihad haad advocacy of that this is the advocacy of its obverse and so that's actually really quite appalling in there have been raped jokes made about of you know i'm gonna go get myself kashmiri girl raper and put on the internet so this kind of stuff is going to confirm some of the worst fears amongst liberals in india who are very concerned about the communalization what could have been seen as a straightforward constitutional issue so let's go from on their back to the constitutional issue. How did this latest episode start so. It's probably useful to say what this thing is right. What i am very puzzled by as a liberal who tends to be very wary of nationalism in general religious nationalism in particular is is how article three seventy came to be associated with muslim kashmiri nationalism in the first place when the british divided up the subcontinent and into india and pakistan maharajah hari singh. He was a a hindu sovereign over a largely muslim area. It's also important to note that this territory that we're talking about never had an integral or organic geopolitical history is actually a combination of you've sick rule dobra rule which is a particular community of of hindus in this area and the british basically through time in this area largely for administrative reasons dot club together so this is why you how these very natural sub communities that are that are inscribed so maharaja hari singh he he wanted to remain independent pakistan invaded despite a commitment not to do so this resulted in maharaja hari singh asking for india to help him out and india says i'll do it as long as you sign. An instrument of session and an instrument of session means later become effectively part of the exact right. I mean india's argument was we're not going to airlift troops to defend territory. That's not our own so if you become our territory we'll send troops will naturally defined what is in effect our sovereign territory and just to be clear about that when most people think of the partition of british india into india and pakistan they think of a division into two pieces but was hundreds but yeah. It's actually a lot more than that and so do you know cashmere is the one whose status was kind of never entirely resolved but there are actually actually a bunch of places that aren't obviously part of either india or pakistan in nineteen forty seven in fact there were over five hundred freight freight and so on the the last vice way <hes> lord mountbatten was actually able to get some five hundred twenty princes to agree not to join one of the dominions all but three held out and the three holdouts were hyderabad. It was a largely hindu population ruled. Oh by muslim sovereign he wanted to remain independent. India actually staged a very aggressive military campaign to seize that territory the other there was junior guard. It had a muslim sovereign over hindu population that sovereign signed an instrument of accession to join pakistan india said no way because at territory detroit was also well within india of the three cashmere was the only one that had territory and lines of control and rivers abutting both so win win hari singh sinus ins moves session. This is the curious thing that as a liberal i find so puzzling remember hardy sing was a hindu and as soon as he signs his instrument of a session within a few years and by the time india signs its constitution so article three seventy is the ah constitutional version of the tax of the instrument of a session the whole point of article three seventy was to protect the interests interest of hindu dobris who were very angry that their sovereign maharajah hari singh had actually been displaced and politics were essentially taken over by abdulah abdulah of the national congress who was a muslim so here's the irony historically right article three seventy seventy was actually intended to protect the equities of hindu togas today. It's become this signifier fire of trampled muslim kush. Mary tawny and i think the reason for this is that indians like americans. Don't know history to me is it's. It's <hes> someone who who traffics and history. I find it quite sonic. How is article three seventy understood and today why do the hindu nationalists hate it and why is it seen as protective of of muslim rights in kashmir so part of it goes back to abdulah lula. He was a muslim leader of kashmir but he was also a freedom fighter and at one point he was a close ally of nehru from boola boola point of view he paid a high cost for align with neighbor in stating his preferences to join india and so by the time we get to the nineteen fifties we already already see kashmiri independence being seen acquire known for kashmiri muslim politics so it's it's very quick that the forgetting the origins of three seventy actually happens and so he views retaining this independent nece which article three seventy allowed it included kashmir having his own constitution having its own flag so in other words. It's like a state within a state. This for him was an important way in which he sold his support for joining india and in abdulah support for joining india was important india will take aac that as you see abdulah agreed to this so we don't this whole issue is settled on so that's how i think it became a scene acqua known of muslim kashmiri independence because that's how it was sold by abdullah abdulah but over time the the center did have ways of imposing some aspects of indian law but on the main people didn't understand how much article three seventy had evolved falls and from my point of view. I think it's really ironic that liberals like myself in fact i find myself being pilloried by by other liberals who were arguing that it is genuinely liberal that people have a right to live under what was essentially the legal regime of despot. It was enabled through colonialism colonialism right. This is where when when a thing becomes an object divorce of its politics it becomes easy to be bandied around in this way so when when moody contends that article three seventy has genuinely limited development in kutch schmierer and it has enshrined poverty and it is kind of created kind of backwards legal culture corrupt. They're all corrupt. How true is it so he's not wrong. I mean these would be things that i would make is a criticism of articles seventy now. Here's the question so to put this unlike an american context american republicans and democrats would agree that we need to have immigration reform right probably the laws they would put forward. Maybe have seventy five five percent or eighty percent in common but democrats will look at a republican bill and they'll be wary of it because it is ethnic. Cleansing republicans will look at the democrat bill. Oh and they will say oh. They're trying to change demography right. It's the politics of the action. That is the problem more than the action itself so he's all right so ever. Since nineteen forty seven money has floated from indian intelligence agencies pakistani intelligence agencies. These politicians are very much on the take. Police officials have complained that when they want to do a raid politicians that are sympathetic to militants will actually tell them about the raid so when you go to the valley you'll see these <unk> wealthy homes that are discordant with legitimate political income so he's not wrong and <hes> there is another problem with investment can't come thirty-five it did not allow people from the outside to buy land so if you're a business person and you wanted to do a large greenfield project. You've got two problems problems when you can't buy that land if you're from the outside because you have. There's no legal mechanism. That allows you to do so unless pretend that you did. Why would you want to invest interstate. Whose legal relationship to the indian state is completely limited. Money goes where money feel safe. I wouldn't want to invest in kashmir if i had money to invest under that regime so do all of those things are not untrue the problem that i think liberals have how in muslims in particular because they do feel under threat by this government is was that his actual intention right and and i have to agree with him there. This has been a longstanding manifesto item. It is right next to the imposition of what's called the uniform civil code which intends to get rid of muslim slim personal law and the third item is rebuilding the ram temple at i o the ah on the site of a mosque that was torn down in nineteen ninety-two december of nineteen ninety-two precipitating massive communal riots so if you're a muslim all of those things that he said could very well be true that you you don't necessarily think that's his motive all right so you've described a genuinely flawed underlying policy in which which there would be decent reasons to wanna revisit the governance arrangement in kashmir but the b._j._p. Doing it it for all the wrong reasons or at least many of the wrong reasons and of course doing it in a way. That's quite oppressive. In the sense that they put a bunch of politicians under house arrest they shut down the internet for a long period of time arrested thousands of youth and you have a protest assed erupting as a result which they clearly tried to suppress so what we know about the actual desires of people living in kashmir about what governance arrangement they should have. I mean how how many of them could be expected to be hal hostile or how sympathetic to some revisitation of the arrangement or this revisitation of the arrangement so let's break it down by territory tori lee doc very very happy with this for very long time they were really it was frustrating for them to be yoked to the politics six of the valley of kashmir jammu. The vast majority of people are going to be very happy with this. There are a few pockets doc. It's of jammu which muslim-dominated there might be objections. So we're we're really talking about is people who live in the valley eh of of jammu which is muslim dominant and as i said for some reason article three seventy became this 'cause celeb- of kashmiri muslim identity entity in an independence so i have always taken umbrage this notion that the entire state is somehow anti india in fact we do have one poll a very good survey that chatham house did in two thousand ten and i wish that they they would be in a position to we do it. They interviewed several thousand people across both sides of the line of control which divides kashmir into the part of nestor by pakistan and india they did not interview those kashmiris in the part that pakistan ceded to china in sixty three. They're excluded so of the results that pertain to the portion portion administered by india most of the moon the dock and even cargo which is muslim majority but they're not sunni majority. They tend to be shia. They wanted to stay with india overwhelmingly kirsch mirror in specifically talking about the valley which is overwhelmingly sunni muslim. They wanted to be independent. There was no support as pakistan claims for joining pakistan in of course the if we were to go back to the choice that was offered tomorrow raja hari singh at the time of a session. The choice wasn't remain independent. So i try to find data that kind of dispel you know some of these claims teams that this is one homogeneous region and their political aspirations of the same so there's a anywhere between six and twelve twelve districts out of twenty two are where we're likely to see the strongest opposition and this is where look the bonuses upon this b._j._p. Government to prove that this wasn't just a communal stunt to appease the hindu nationalist base if they generally mean what what they say and i and i tend to the odds of that being quite low. We're going to need to see some follow through on all of the things they said this move would make possible such as economic development the other important thing that this enables is india has very robust system system of of local governance the pen chhaya system so this is actually going to allow a version of that to take place in jammu kashmir's here's as well as the dock and this is a way in which you can see the possibility of growing local politics that might be less tainted by the corruption that we've seen over the last many decades so is it possible and this is a before we get to some of the bad scenarios here. Let me just throw out a good good scenario. Which is the b._j._p. For all the wrong reasons did something that a lot of people locally may benefit from that may improve local governance and that may create an environment in which people outside can invest in kashmir and so you could have a situation where with all the wrong intentions and for all the worst nationalist reasons reasons in the world mody actually comes up with a disruptive policy intervention that functions in a positive way intentionally cinelli pollyannaish. How unrealistic do you think that is so here's the problem. This scenario that you laid out could only happen by getting rid of article three seventy. That's the irony right. So is it pollyannish in the way that all pangloss fantasies are but but the fact is you're never going to get a lot of investment in the state. Job-creating investment is long as people could not buy land now. Here's the other thing about article three seven thirty five. He was inherently sexist. So if you were a female and you married a non kashmiri you lost your right here land. Your children lost their right to inherit your land. A man could marry whoever wanted and his rights were not got erased. If you were a cush mary pundit who was ethnically cleanse in second nineteen ninety there about the estimates widely vary but at the time maybe one hundred fifty thousand or more were driven out and of course they have since multiplied outside of the state. They couldn't sell their land right so they've been sitting therefore decades. Unable to return is not safe. Everyone agrees. It's not safe nor could they sell it to anyone but someone who genocide them right who would then take advantage of their economic precarity and give them a sub optimal price so not only is that a pollyannish scenario. The irony is though that that the only way you could get there. There's no other way of getting there without getting rid of this archaic legal infrastructure but that suggests that you're you're you're saying moody may have ended up doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons and that's exactly what i say. He did the right thing for the wrong reasons with dubious this means to appease his base all right so let's talk about some of the downsides other than that the mean suck <hes> the the motive suck one is that kashmir is an international flashpoint. Pakistan is whatever claim claim it may have on the indian side of the line of control. It's the nuclear power and it's a hyper-nationalist nuclear power and china administers part of kashmir as well and so you have three nuclear power one of which is the second largest economy in the world that actually actually care about this mountainous piece of land so what is the worst case scenario. If i just described the best case scenario which is you know mody malevolently steps into good policy and everybody's life improves. What's the worst case scenario here. The worst case scenario is this move move actually precipitates the outcome that the move was meant to prevent the first choice right which is they were afraid that all hell is going to break loose after this deal with the taliban and it goes back to the violence that the area experienced the nineteen nineties principally through pakistani malfeasance but there's a couple while they're several things that that that makes it less likely in there some things that make it more likely. Let's talk about the things that mitigate that prospect so there is no chance of the indians are going to relax the security the grid anytime soon. They've hardened the line of control. They have drones so it's much more difficult to do the kinds of infiltration now relative to the nineteen nineties when it was a relatively soft border so that makes it harder. There's some things that make it easier. Namely a and i'm not even imran khan not relevant pakistan's military the army chief. They understand that they're the key to giving in trump what he wants by the twenty twenty elections speaking of manifesto promises right trump wants out of afghanistan in a significant way release. He can say his base. I've i have kept another promise if if the b._j._p. Fetish eases election promises you know trump is very much the same way so the question is if you are pakistan's deep state you are very tempted to take advantage of this situation and and really just throw some kerosene on on fires and and what does that look like so if you can't send a lot of people over the border. I think it is true that pakistanis have never actually won a significant -nificant military engagement with indian army. They've started every war and they've lost each one or they failed to win. Depending upon how you define lawson winning and so you if you're the pakistani army you have to be at least respectful of the indian capacity to repel a conventional military attack. The nuclear side side is of course unavailable for all the reasons that nuclear deterrence tends to make it unavailable everywhere and so what are your options if you're pakistan and you really wanna make modise pay a price for this but you know the terrorism's getting harder they kick your ass. Every time you have a conventional fight with kick. Ass is a little bit stretch will you don't you don't prevail don't prevail avail so until very recently and bhai recently. I mean the last three years so here's something really curious so the indians. This is another chain by the way the hint that did not have a no first use and then also change in the military command structure which also signals some really important things on the indian side so until very recently. If you were pakistan you could bully india with your nuclear weapons and it's funny indians. Never indians would always say we can't do x._y._z. Because pakistan's nuclear weapons and all the decades i spent in pakistan which i can't. I can't return to anymore. I never heard of pakistani say we can't do a._b._m. D._n._c. india because they have nuclear weapons in so this goes to issues of strategic culture so pakistan has a war can't win has nuclear weapons it can't use but what it can do is use i use the the impunity afforded by its nuclear umbrella to send jihadi john and they can calibrate violence in a number of ways and you can see them do over time so one his geographically kashmir is the most low salient because it's viewed as disputed far away and it's well india's media has changed that right for many years indians in the south were like kashmir or whatever but in the cargo war nineteen ninety nine the indian government made a decision that they were going to send end bodies back locally in the same way that americans and perhaps vietnam war saw body's return and it was very emotive the indians decided to do that tried to nationalize the conflict this had never happened before in the previous wars there'd be cremated on site and and the families would begin sort of like you know general cranes pains but this time bodies were sent home to be buried or cremated depending upon the face so this really for the first time made indians is in trivandrum care about what was happening in kashmir right so the idea that it's remote. I don't think that's true anymore. With india's media in india's media has become jingoistic beating the drums of war. India's media has transformed the popular framing of of these issues shoes so one is kashmir which is still low valence. If you're thinking about calibrating violence the high end we be attacking bombay a for delhi now which they've done which they've done that right now with india vowing to punish every subsequent attack would be a really really dangerously escalating move and it's not clear what pathways to de-escalation would be available in these circumstances so one thing that they have done so the and the the other option or like these third tier cities like this poor another way of esco a calibrating the violence is your target so you've got geographies one access. The other is target. Indians indian get more exercise over the loss of security forces and they do civilians right so indians were more upset about the loss of twenty two members of the central reserve police force in pulwama than they were for example over the nineteen ninety-three attack in mumbai that killed even more than the two thousand eight attack so that's another way of calibrating is who you're killing and then the third thing is the way that you do the attack. Is it going to be sabotage like blowing up a bridge or is is it gonna be <hes> if it eighteen attack like west gr- taiba does which are really special operations missions or is it going to be like paloma a suicide bombing right so where i anticipate pakistan is gonna do is try to use these different measures these different dimensions of calibration to figure out what can it get away with breath in other words. There's gonna push india only so far to the point where it can actually manage how india response and the other thing that pakistan is. I think is going to be banking on is that trump is going to sit on the indians to suck it up right in other words like we saw at pulwama largely because trump was golfing. He not joking he he wasn't there to micromanage. The dispute as previous presidents had so actually from a game theoretic point of view view was actually kinda brilliant because the pakistanis i think they were anticipating. The united states to play traditional role. Just tell the indians just calm down to the responsible adult in the in this diaid. Don't be provocative so i think that will be the other thing that the pakistanis are going to be thinking about is what role will trump play as long as pakistan is necessary for trump's twenty twenty agenda item which is getting out of afghanistan is a really fun game theoretic matrix so where does china fit into this so china. I china's really fascinating so the pakistanis always said that the americans us pakistan is the condom to screw of ghana stan but i would point out to the pakistanis frequently do that. You're also the condom that china uses to screw india in the sense. Ah the differences willingly well exactly they don't they don't perceive it that way because the conflict with india is so salient that they actually don't mind being exactly absolutely so when you point out the facts of the pakistanis they do get sober up a little bit. It is a fact that china has never material aided pakistan in any war in the nineteen seventy-one war nixon nixon actually asked china to make just a few gratuitous movements along the mcmahon line which is there is disputed borders with china in excite chin but also along original production if you think about the map india and you've got east pakistan then in sort of like the armpit a rental rushes in the shoulder right so if the idea was that if china could just look menacing india would've been deterred from invading east pakistan donovan bifurcating it china couldn't even be bothered to even pretend china even refused to even put out that it might do this right so china china has been so supremely unwilling to help pakistan in an actual data four but what china does like to china likes to make pakistan fuel competent enough that it can challenge india and in china will certainly when it can take pakistan's positions additions to the united nations security council so it has been very reticent to designate pakistan based terrorist groups that attack india so that's what china wants wants to make pakistan feel that is militarily and politically and diplomatically capable of challenging india short of war but does china in care whether the land on the indian side of the line of control is a state whether article three seventies seventies respected or whether it is a <hes> militarily administered territory. I mean does the domestic configuration. Ration- of the indian politics mattered china at all. I mean it matters deeply to pakistan but the chinese give well so i on august fifth that question was unclear right because the question on august fifth was is this revocation in the application of indian law only envisioned to be pertinent to that part of the territory that india administers on august six on that shock clarifies this i'm at shaw try says no and he's the indian foreign minister xactly he says no in applies we have an instrument of a session it applies to all of it because india claims the parts of kashmir that are administered by both china and pakistan on the theory that this instrument of accession was for the whole territory and actually it's true. I mean legally india that is indian territory. They have an instrument of accession myra. How are you saying that was the entire hire territory that he governed so legally india can say this the other problem though so when he made this declaration. There's no reason why china was like wait a minute because because the nineteen sixty two war as i said there's two areas of disputed territory so one is an oxide chin and so there which is called the line of actual oh control china is in control of territory that india claims right so so when you ask a question does china actually care so china's lloyd in china has remember. They had a very significant. I'm not sure how he was right at proxy conflict over what happened in bhutan in at doklam twenty sixteen so china twenty years ago china really thought india was a pip squeak that was punched above its belt oh but after this significant realignment of u._s. indian relations the american commitment to help india really to be a a first class world power capable of challenging china and being a partner in managing china's rise. They've had to really rethink what what india is and what india's. He is capable of it particularly after the indo u._s. Nuclear deal which was very bombed friendly so the one hand so china issued a statement that was both derisive but also demonstrated its peak so it's look india's making all of these domestic laws that have international implications in it's really irritating but does it change the facts on on the ground that is to say that we are sitting in occupation of territory that india claims so it cares but it doesn't care the fact is i'm gonna paraphrase china good luck india getting this land back so as you look forward over the next few weeks and months here what are the warning signs that were headed toward a bad outcome a sort of eruption of of violence or some other heightening heightening of tensions and what would be the indicators that were more in the first scenario where mody has for all the wrong wrong reasons done something that actually is. Maybe a good thing for a lot of people. How will you know over what timeframe what we're looking at here so this this is like a nuclear reactor and the sense that when all the parts are you taking a line from the noble mini series when all the parts are dancing dancing nicely together it is a beautiful thing but when things become out of balance it becomes very dangerous so let's take for example the security security clampdown right so the reason why they're doing the security clampdown in the communications clamp down so they wanna make it very difficult for pakistan to activate eight domestic sells you know basically local boys as they call them to engage in terrorist activities right so on the upside year suppressing the ability of these groups groups that contain violence the downside is you're punishing a whole lot of people in the expectation that you're preventing nefarious actions of a few right so this is this. This is very counterproductive. You're probably also preventing a lot of people from complaining in elastic free speech kinds leave leave the other thing is and i've i've lived under curfew india. You cannot believe what is said about the curfew. I remember being curfew in masuda as a student and we were watching indian. The news saying that curfew has been lifted so that people can buy groceries a that wasn't true be there were no groceries to buy because howard groceries getting into a curfew affected area so this is the other thing. Is that when you have these curfews people are dislocated from their ability to earn. There is no produce coming in. I mean we're we are moving into the winter rapidly and food shortage is going to begin to be an issue. If this situation persists this time we get to october november. We're getting into a situation where we're going to have snowfall. How is food gonna get in so this is going. I think the nuclear reactor analogy is is actually quite apt and we're not gonna be able to see because of this clampdown so a couple of things. I think think india could do and should you. That would be immediately helpful. One let the mainstream politicians leave house arrest. This was gratuitous. It didn't need to happen. It has just been needless the curfew <hes>. I understand the need to restrict. I understand beyond that they're concerned about peaceful protests lawful protests being exploited by by the pakistanis but this is the cost of democracy right the indians are we're gonna need to stop this oppression of lawful legitimate and democratic protests. This is how you you you basically take the air out of a tire before it explodes by letting it letting it leak <hes> legally so the the things that i am very worried about in the near term and whether or not here's the irony whether or not india does those things india could do all of those things india could stop the jackboots sogari and terrorism will still happen right so it's sort of like the israel paradox right when israel says we can either give land for peace or don't give land in for peace. We're still not gonna get peace and i don't wanna make the parallel to india ticket schmear at that's not what i meant to do. What i mean to say is. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't because whether or not they stopped the jackboot thuggery terrorism pakistan has an incentive to do that anyway. It's just that pakistan will use the situation as the hook cook to justify it so <hes> whether india does or does not do that. I still fear that we're gonna see pakistan manipulating the various vectors actors of of escalation. It's possible that we'll see an attack. Maybe against civilians and places like jammu where it's hindu-majority hindu-majority. Maybe we'll see attacks on a bus or the reason. I say civilians is that indians will tolerate civilian losses. I said more than than security thirty forces on third tier cities so these are this is what i anticipate to see in the pakistanis are going to be balancing with the anticipate from from trump as well as this leverage that they have in terms of escalating the kinds of violence that they can perpetrate. I'll tell you there is a terrorist attack. India will justify this to be even more oppressive in kashmir and quite frankly pakistan benefits from that on that cheerful for note christine fair. Thanks so much for joining us thank you the law fair. Podcast is produced in cooperation with the brookings institution. 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Rory Stewart

"My Name is David Runciman and this is talking politics it's a special live edition I can tell from the fact that you already you are relieved as we are rory seventeen. NPR's who voted for the second reading but voted against the aggressive timetable emotion. If we do get an election tonight sounds muddled up in that I'm speculating because I have nothing to do with number ten they didn't really speak to me very much but my sense is I see that and I think can we assume that we all right so we all down that route was that a choice made by the government because they effectively decided that there was no way getting the withdrawal agreement bill through that the seventeen view some of you couldn't be swung round was a decision that regardless of that election was the preferred option do you have a sense there is an anxiety and a guy in my constituency who voted Brexit said this he said that if Boris went to election without Brexit delivered as today I am this is part of the bees fortieth birthday celebrations alabi is the partner of talking politics we couldn't have done this podcast without the how you view my senses it's the latter there was a big concerted attempt to try to convince the government that a lot of people would be prepared to fundamental question the issue tonight and it relates to the votes that we've already had on Johnson's withdrawal agreement bill the government's agreement bill you a one it should be voting on I'm not standing again I'm trying to leave parliament's become a Maryland and so I didn't think affect the I have a dog in a fight already rights to determine six rory how come your hair how come you have to run by the first thing is can can you hear me clearly I seem to be this sort of thing to leave you in about eight minutes time we'll try to hell and Thompson is with us as well in a moment but you have a dog in the wider fight even though you'll standing down there is out that support and that generosity none of this would be possible so we're thrilled to be here to celebrate the birthday of London review of books and now we're GonNa talk politics happens conservative politicians these Theresa May at the Conference speech I'm losing my voice the reason I'm here is that I am at she no longer conservative politician and disappear he would vote for bars if brexit had already been delivered he would feel the Barcelona's job and then he wouldn't vote for bars he drew the analogy with Churchill at the end of the win election was brexit unresolved than going into election with brexit deal and I think there's potentially a a number of bad and good they've been supporting us for the last two years we've just had a ten million St- download most of us happened in the time we've been working with the L. 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B. and what the date of the election will vote for the principle of the election on third reading but that should mean that I I should be able to be with you for the next ninety minutes and then I'll return to the it was that simply the business of guessing the withdrawal agreement bill through getting the seventeen of Uber particularly Labor MP's to vote for in the end we were talking about this beforehand and from the outside it's very hard to judge what the calculations are inside Downing Street at the moment because the alternative you the the public facing view I suppose if you were going to defend the decision as to say that it does at least give the public an opportunity to express a view in house comes for the final bite I did say to David because he was beginning to question the constitution illness how hard he wanted to push this because we really convinced the I'd it's on third reading but I think the the calculation seems to have been from Dominic Cummings particularly and in the end number ten they would rather go listening and then we're going to broaden out to talk about what it might mean more broadly for British Pulisic's for democracy just before we start I want to say how do they want to remove from the whip because by going straight into an election now it means that Philip Hammond David Gawk Ken Clarke would try to ensure there would be a customs union as part of the future economic relationship well given the backstop skull and that's actually really I do think that there were reasonable reason to suppose that the path of withdrawal agreement they'll through the House of Commons would have been pretty forward that somebody like me voted against the promotion as a sign that parliament's obstructing get the the movement going then recalculations also some indirect form on this deal and therefore worthy to win a very large majority of the back of this there might be might be an argument that would be a little bit more legitimacy and myself I'm a bit different because I've decided to leave but they're all people who wouldn't be able to stand again in their inconsistencies the good reason I think that it was the possibility of an amendment over the customs union that was particularly difficult in this respect and it's been quite a bit of time over the go to achieve because they political declaration hasn't got anything from the withdrawal agreement any longer that sort of structurally creates a bias in favor of attrition so it seems to me that that way lay muddle if on the other hand the idea was to amend job ingredient bill in relation to the aw whether I got an opinion really on what their actual motivations were different races to worry obviously go inside view about what's going on number ten war that he would be very for one purpose and one purpose entity I think the second thing is that allows them to create this narrative of people against parliament and use the fact for these amendments which are that's on whether the data the election should be the seventh of December and the ninth December doesn't feel to me is something would be in the wider context of British democracy to get consent from the people who are going to feel whatever happens that they'd been excluded from this how did you I'm trying to work out what those who said they wanted to push such an amendment we're actually trying to achieve without really reaching any clear knowledge about what we're trying to achieve it was not a fight worth having relative to this D- do you sense Helen of which way this was likely to go we're not going down that route or had had the election so the entire point of this new deal of the different steam viruses injuries may steal was getting rid of the customs union so how'd you amended it to try and some funny fashion to re getting it through in the indicative votes it was my attempt to try to get a soft breaks compromise but it is quite clear that this deal is partial deal the main point of it on both the second reading and on the timetabling motion that the government got all two hundred and eighty five of them through on both could have held the amendment is of course from the point of view of people who rejected theresa may steal they rejected it on the grounds that it was effectively a customs union through a treaty in the direction of a customs union more you can't do that because it's not for the legislature to change treaty being negotiated with the twenty yeah because we're in a way that's the question one of the most remarkable features was that there was unanimity among conservative impede who are still fully conservative and peas the majority in parliament for something other than it's cool well that's where it becomes more complicated again because then you could say well given the way that the some of the due to bind a future government future executive in the way negotiate on some sentence behind a parliament in the way in which he would vote on saying we will agree only to make amendments which are not legally binding on the next parliament as though people were going to feel really good here the line again they will be physically sick the public of God it and the coming strategy seems to be that he thinks now the public even so it's the implication of that therefore though it looked very precarious when it came to it in the end this bill wasn't really amendable in a way that could be a customs union at least not to the extent that it did win the back stock was in place so if you then wanted men political declaration that in the direction of a customs union what you're then trying to can't do that under the British constitution now can say we have a constitution long-gone somewhat tempted to that but we still supposed to have a constant this take back control phrase is just one example of extraordinary ability to generate three word phrases I went out for you've does get to the heart of the difficulties is were they looking to amend the political declaration in ways that would they really have swallowed the line it doesn't matter whether you amend the political declaration or not because it doesn't actually matter I find it hard to believe that some of them actually they're all polarizing some people think that he's a machiavellian genius of people think that he's a monster the person reminds me of his allies to Campbell partly because the deal that if they just tried to drive it through the House of Commons at the moment that oversees subbing for much bigger debate we're gonNA come onto that because we want to talk more broadly about what it it's making many people inside political life almost physically sick to see the lengths that have been gone to the line is he tried his damned the country and sure enough short enough sure enough two days later what would it have held I don't know I don't know I think to be fair to the government probably would have been quite difficult remember I'm in the back story to this customs it's not in a binding way I'm in heaven saps right and in fact that she was an extraordinary last minute attempt by the whips and various others to get people to sign a letter done defeat Jeremy Corbyn reunite the country it's defeat Jeremy Corbyn get brexit done reunite the country I think the last one is probably impossible so in a way that August yes I think a lot of this has comings and in a sense he he would you would afford had quite a good career as a copywriter some people relatively sued people who've maybe hoping against hope that the preferred outcome is still an option are going to find that it's not and reuniting the country has to mean and he said what you say is you've got to say there are only three things that need to be done get brexit done beat Jeremy Corbyn reunite anyway because as an electoral strategy so effective and I've been thinking if people can tell us he wrote you don't cummings is playing in the fate of this nation but Gotcha job at tweets out thrown three things you gotta do then Jeremy Hunt three things you gotta do and then finally bars three things we've got to do dot signing that document a few foreign elections so it wouldn't have been legally binding but it was as you say is the worst of all worlds sufficiently provocative the but during the phrase is used often losers consent which is the thing that has been missing from British politics for the last three plus years there's one thing that we haven't had she's whatever happens but particularly now the route is through a general election an apple in the immediate term through a second referendum why would they think that now is the time to consent I mean obviously quite a member of them on. I think we shouldn't overdo this in attention chinatown with him when I was the only time she ever spoken to Him we had dim-sum together in Chinatown for this was what I was running for the conservative leadership them again but if you ask the question the referendum took place should we accept the result and implement it you can get polling in that area I think the the number of remind voters who have done the polling on this varies but some of those you can see up to sixty percents saying referendums should be honored it's eighty cents from the people who might lose they would consent to lose so now we were passing through the narrow prism of general election even if the Conservative Party is to try to leave a customs union so how'd you reinserted a customs union is very difficult believe the algae we're going along with that and wasn't reinsert -able for the reasons that Jalen's had got to win a majority it's going to be on what forty percent of the vote maximum so that still leaves a lot of losers consistency back into general election politics turned out to be not correct and lay believers believed that they could vote for the party ways the referendum was away allowed Aleve coalition to express itself in referendum politics it would have been much more difficult for it oh great knack that to be able to generate phrases that that every campaign thinks genius yeah and so now doing them in a different order so it's not get br the last few weeks because I think the interesting thing about Brexit in this respect is that if you go back to the referendum in doc it's not that everybody who voted remain in two thousand sixteen has not accepted the referendum result there's clearly quite significant cashews and so it can still be the case that actually the conservatives can't peel enough of of the Non Tori Lee voters interesting thing that's happened in terms of the future in a way of loses consent is changing the change of tack that the Liberal Democrats in particular made conservative I'm one of the difficulties than that we've been in since June two thousand seventeen is is that to resume thinking that she could mobilize and people take that view about Campbell to but because Campbell was used to say just at the point where the people inside Westminster even not that close to Westminster think if they have to asleep been about getting back to a second referendum and hoping that that is the means of defeating the first now gambling this time because the liberal away as you say you only need forty percent ish vote for the Conservative Party on at the same time as we know there are many more leave consistencies in there advantage them in two thousand seventeen and on a forty percent whatever vote sheriff if the Conservative Party get to that we get Johnson's Brexit the customs union and I say this is somebody who's in federal custody I organized Ken Clarke Amendment pushing for customers in a week at she failed by three votes that that's why the hell didn't if you want to kick off this bit of the discussion and by the way because we've got rory we hope for the whole evening we're going to have plenty of time is remained Britain reconcilable that well I'm going to be very cheeky because I'm very interested in this idea I'm interesting idea of how many people voted remain you general election politics in two thousand seventeen actually then disadvantage leave coalition and you can see the Democrats position when they're not being talking about revoked because the cheating so in a way we got two explanations what's going on tonight one of which is it would have been hard for the government the other which is that actually the government prefers this that we should honor the result of the referendum whether this muses consent how many people in this room who voted remain feel that you should know the results of the referendum I took slightly few I look these things are very very odd I mean I don't know really how to think my way through this the need voters are possible that this election fundamentally favors the leave coalition in principle yes in principle because John in a general election not least because it allowed people who voted labour he wanted to vote for Brexit to vote for brexit without home too sophisticated friends including some very distinguished political philosophers absolutely determined to reject this outcome I don't know how they think we should resolving disputes society. I don't know how they would want me as a politician to response votes in the future if this is there else I began from a very primitive view which is that we disagree about things and nobody is going to convince me that I was wrong uh remained constituencies if you go back to two thousand sixteen in McCoy onto a general election map because remained voters more geographically concentrated accept the the majority view and it's been a very very interesting experience to discover that some of my most highly intelligent six people very very frightened of losing this election particularly in parliament and that's what we're seeing tonight we don't know how it's going to play out people the room think that if the Conservatives win a big majority that would give a bit more legitimacy divorces deal interesting have you almost feel like saying when people say to me you can never be mayor of London unless you come out immediately for revoke immediately take Lib dem view I what's the ones who've changed parliamentary with Michigan having this election they gambling this time on a on a general election which the point of view remain is pretty disadvantages because this is an entirely representatives that's very encouraging I mean I was assuming that almost no hands would go up I feel a little bit encouraged is literally almost every I have is in favor of a referendum wants to overturn tournaments illegitimate that I wouldn't how many election in which there is probably more at stake than there has been relatively speaking any election in recent memory because this is an election about two things about he partly because as you know about making any kind of predictions but at the same time is you still going to insert into an election that looks like it's about Brexit all these domestic I'm somebody who voted remained and argued strongly for rain and then felt after the referendum that we had to own them that result the impression I get session leader is literally nobody agrees then those who say that it shouldn't be down in more like in the twenty twenty five percent let's say so then you've got quite a lot of don't knows now they make things very differently if they could for questions from the audience to go tell us if your phone says something different I don't WanNa promise he going to be not so there is this much bigger question the end of it is really toughened I mean part of it is to do with the rules of the game I mean that's the other challenge here which is I mean we're seeing it tonight so there is I think that Britain was better off in the European Union that we already had the best deal but the fact was I lost and that the sort of rules and the rules in our society are that we they would still get brexit and d labels to take boats back from those Labor voters who had lost to UK particularly in two thousand fifteen that you guys get a vote once every two years five years and then you have to agree to sub contractual brain too I'm not GonNa say Pretty Patel but in any case somebody somebody in government who then governs for you and then they decide at the end constitution is and I think that that's true of many members of parliament I think that is true of many of us are citizens before last year's exclude myself from elections you can see that I think in the middle of the nineteenth century and at some point I think that join me you did have something to do with this but I think it was the trying to tinker with the rules I mean at least potentially tribes with the rules because there's too much stake in this election and that seems to me to be one of the big risks for security got it in fifty or one hundred years time it wouldn't make sense I mean there are couple of things that are obviously wrong the first thing is that we don't really have a constitution in the way that other countries the constitution I noticed this first big rebellion was when David Cameron tried to affect the abolish the House of Lords on the basis of a simple majority his political history on that particularly those in parliament but actually as citizens into this as well acted with some caution with some prudence the reason for it to happen at some point along the way we lost sight of what our Constitution was and then we've tried to deal since two thousand June two thousand sixteen with a massive constitutional in the House of Commons that really focus the fact that in any other country constitutional law is different from normal you need some special procedure to do it you conscious had a simple had a historic constitution and the only way in which it worked was that people had a knowledge about the history of that constitution on indeed where you have members of parliament signing amendments wanting in the course of an afternoon to change the franchise before an election takes place it's mind boggling for many Tacoma Seventy Roy on analysis do you think that remain Britain if this election disadvantages them in the way that it's sort of consented the future which is what we're actually doing each time we try and get to our decisive electoral outcome is gaming it which makes it much harder to persuade the losers in the country and for the reasons you said the danger of Johnson is the if brexit were done it could become a twenty-seven domestic election again so it's now about two things that I think it's taken brexit and what's happened over the last few years I think to make something really clear about our country's politics nowadays is that Chryssa promptly seventy for me is the most acute constitutional pressure point I think actually that we have just as a country forgotten the whole thing is is so shoddy I mean it's the contempt for APP thing for the monarchy for parliament the parole in the purging in many ways so many people in the House of Commons we haven't really got a system going where you're really able to deliberate and consider things in depth and and feed into the uses with most people walking around in the state of constitutional ignorance and I think that is why we could get to this I regard this absurd situation this afternoon this way of doing politics can no longer work and does that mean data for the one thing that we must have is some set of rules that take some of the I should know proper scrutiny today on the eve of nationals people don't want to think about press I mean you could agree that sixteen in the and I'm the only remain who readers for anyway feels channel resort referendum it struck me that this was about thirty percent of the which was interesting seeming it's all part and parcel of general sort of contempt for the Constitution Otley you see often the people are playing fast and loose with it this in relation to that constitutional history because that's what the Constitution rested upon continue judgment and often invoked in the past actually having quite channel anybody's not follow this literally amendments being put down to give sixteen seventeen year olds with no debate no consideration Powell's comments to deepen which is that I really am beginning to think that this is basically a medieval setup parliament the idea is spy merits and demerits but you know the speaker and Jacob rees-mogg and Dominic grieve are all in different ways playing strengths. He's here we hope the rory can stay we thought we were going to have to do this quite quickly we have a little more time we will talk about what's happening it's like saying but do you really want a politician he's not gonNa pay any attention to the way that Jason is just going to say I disagreed so I found this a very complicated process I haven't really the constitution while posing as great great defenders the constitution and he's one of the things that we've learned the great risk with it's not unwritten but is uncoated and it's on both sides we notice it when the brakes do the remains have been doing it too but often you have these very grand statement it's nothing is out of bounds that once he starts a politics where people channel that political ambitions through the rules of the game changing the rules of the game fleet tempted towards that view I was very very cheered up by the Supreme Court the sentence I love most Samat Supreme Court ruling is when the court says it's going to just get rid of the second chamber it's it's mad and the way that the speakers been behaving is be mad in the way that the program missions have been arranged Madam and so the game out of parliamentary politics which means we need a coat a flawed constitution but I'm increasingly d furnace glass there is a problem I mean I'm I'm actually at the moment pretty grateful to be leaving parliament I think the basic setup here is wrong I think if you were looking of two or five years that they gonNa let you have another one vote again I mean whereas in fact 'cause you're much more educated much more experienced shoved aside but surely feel this isn't the way to do it to make that kind of decision at plus women I mean that's what I felt about Cameron's attempts to Abolish House of Lords agree disagree about about those budget-conscious for the sake in that particular case for trade with Lib Dem's reduce the number of MP's and he could win more seats in parliament but that parliament should have a say in the form in which that brexit should take place is indisputable now it's very rare to get someone Chris audience but the court says it is not for this court to determine whether or not brexit should happen that decision was made the people the great advantage of the British constitution historically was that it was quite responsive to democratic politics it was quite responsive to public opinion in now this relates to this question 'cause I suspect that if I had become leader of the Conservative Party I would be able to bring in a citizens assembly relatively essentially it's the grand jury so you select random citizens to be representative maybe a room about half the size and then they listen to evidence and they come opponents and if if parliament starts playing around with those rules something very odd is going on I suppose the oddity in Britain is that it's taken I mean fundamentally the the point is the question of who gods gods themselves theoretically these concentrations exist to protect you against abuse out the thing that concerns me about having written constitution even the entirely clear how we can carry on with what we got with a view and this worked very well in Ireland this you've abortion I was very keen to try to do it in relation to brexit because it's remarkable that she the people do emerge with the recent companies friend on joining the market and she says no because what would happen if the people in the referendum votes in in a way that was different from the Bloomington time very eloquently address this question of understand rules respect historical precedent in the nation of Prince. That's where we are today it goes back to parliament and it's hard to feel that that judgment has losting resonance in British in a salon to really start doing since such an egregious fashion that people behaved so well for so long seems to be the mystery not that eventually decided this it ends up backing democratic politics in a very bitter and polarizing way so I mean I've come to the view that I would like to hold onto what we've had I'm just unless I can somehow be enshrined it's puts it back on parliament parliament is behaving the way parliament is behaving today do you think it does it echo through or was it easily and given it quite a lot of authority in the in our system and I actually thinking about I'm concerned that if we lived in a more codified world plus as many people on that day were numerously chaired by I know the people who finally thought that some reasonable perspective being injected into this and yet in constitution let me try to illustrate why I'm not she tempted to agree with this I for example I'm an enormous fan citizen's assemblies I mean I think about it jars him parliament we would have a constitutional crisis that stage she'd been convinced this was about your mind the so I don't know people listening to this podcast will believe us when we say it sounds like you said reading okay all right I will run back I promise I I go I don't know whether you've seen this astringent that Mrs Thatcher gifts in the early nineteen seventies where she asked I think by Robin Dale someone on television whether there should be the question about whether we can get back again and I'm quite skeptical about whether we can get it back again but I'm also pretty skeptical about going down the road I say with all the good side of that on the ills of that too on the constitution that you end up with the more power I think we can bring him into the Cuna then I didn't know how quickly he can run so there are be catastrophic because the I did that have any legitimacy than anything else seems to be absurd but the other thing that says a group of MP's to get him to commit to a citizens assembly to help with Brexit I'm convinced that this is assembly at the start of the referendum process as part of the discussions about what the referendum was for how it should be fought even what the question should be would have been helpful to she's a citizens assembly now essentially I think we all agree in various ways being abused the union is also probably under greater pressure than it has been in our lifetime do you think this tim is going to be another potential breaking point for the Union I mean there is a view view again the johnsons coming oh I think what we should do because rory will be back is holding I should just try and as it were bid up then rory comes back he literally did run out of the room halfway through that thought so whether we should complete tool for him now that he's not here a possible like direction of travel within the Conservative Party whereby commitment to the Union including northern I mean there was you may remember there was an attempt to the point where parliament couldn't decide what it wants to do it just kept voting against various brexit options there was an attempt unbending commitment that Theresa may made through negotiations of the withdrawal agreement was a commitment to Northern Ireland's place island may well weaken through time and I think in retrospect what does become clear is the one sort of overriding issue here is the union and I was going to go on ask worry about that I maybe when he comes back we can pick up on this because we only have a constitution that is under enormous pressure and is onto give to people at Westminster where co defied constitutions go and you're gonNA give more you're going to get more authority judiciaries we've seen what kind of politics ends up within the artist in the Union and at the same time not wishing to have any change at all on the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland I think we have to distinguish when it comes to the union between the issues in relation to Northern Ireland and the issues in relation to Scotland because I think that there is there's lots more tensions to come in the relationship between the Conservative Party and unionism in Northern Ireland I think the paradox in Scotland I think I've said weeding or prioritizing I should say Northern Ireland's position economically within the United Kingdom over North Island economy so I anything else that she did even freedom of movement during the transition there was bend in it over those questions she didn't bend a tool she was passionate unit before is that everything in the short term looks like it strengthens the nationalist case in Scotland but everything in the medium to long-term about citizen's assemblies scattered though I'm also a fan I'm more skeptical rory in the current situation that introducing a citizens assembly now it happens weakens it because the whole independent project rests on shared European Union membership rested on Scotland the Union keeping Northern Ireland in the customs code in particular but divorced been put into a difficult position because this withdrawal agreement unlike the one to resume and I think that the agreement that Boris Johnson has negotiated has the the unionists in a very difficult position indeed the whole unionist community is not united although it is the majority Northern Ireland United About Brexit and it's not united about in Scotland and indeed the other unionist parties my worldly seats to the nationalist so we're going to see an intensifying of the pressure for a referendum in Scotland at the same when they're in a very difficult position because they're being asked to agree to something that clearly violates the spirit at least into the practice collation is the sacrifice of the union is a price worth paying for conservative hegemony in England. I'm very much doubt that that's Johnson's view about Scotland mythic comes is played out in short term politics or medium-term politics because we know that short-term politics can in the end be the thing that decides it must at least be time I still think that if it ends up even the European Union then that makes an independent Scotland more difficult to realize but in a way that it depends on whether the referendum live events in the past and I've said if something really dramatic happened someone needs to shout it out the proposed data's now ernest when it came to Northern Ireland I think that there's a direction of travel within the Conservative Party that will move away from that kind of commitment missile but it's very difficult to see how a Scottish referendums going to come before the brexit issue is resolved fully resolved I'm not suggesting in relation to whether that means was an independent state to get inside the EU rested on Wrestling Kingdom staying in the European Union we've already seen how much difficulty the euro they are thinking about their competition with Labor as they all the issue of Brexit and I think that they are suggests that the Conservatives have done much better than labor in reasserting themselves as the place to go if you want breaks it to happen the question really is whether on the other side it looks unlikely this time but then in England the other thing that did happen was that to party politics reasserted itself and the way this is the big question for this election Shuna currency issues call the national in the two thousand fourteen referendum before they have to start dealing with this single market of the United Kingdom verses he discussed one more thing about this coming election and if Roy runs back in the third reading was lost we're going to have quite hard to construct but there is clearly hope among the other parties that it could go radically different ways so the two thousand seventeen election two things in a way so one we've touched on is that the unionist case was strengthened the unionist parties and include Labor in that in this context picked up seats from the SMP in Scotland election with Jeremy Corbyn still as leader of the Labour Party and that there's been enough movement within both the Parliamentary Party Corbin's office McDonald's they do not want to fight an election with some alternative Labour leader so they are about to the difficulty that they had in so if there's an election when rory comes back he can tell us what actually happened in parliament and if he doesn't come back then we know it's a little kicked off we'd have an election is more about Kobe than about Brexit I'm not saying it's more about Kuban than it's about Brexit but I'm saying it's partly about Corbin I suspect as well as about brexit that's the date so Tennessee where we are in real time eight fifty so we've done a few of these yeah I think there's something interesting that's happened in the way in which the Liberal Democrats have moved over the last ten days or so I think that the belief that ultimately if you want to stop the conservative government a Labour vote is your best bad also reasserts itself negotiate it as a consent for Northern Ireland in it and it's based on a majority and the democratic unionists on themselves in which that might happen again because when it really comes to it if there was any chance for those who want to stop brexit happening two thousand fifteen and they were squeezed on although that they weren't in a strong position in the opinion polls election started if you'd official those issues of personnel around them to think that that might be up for grabs in the Short Liberal Democrat we've been speculating because the polls pointing this way but we've been burned once too often the possibility of a conservative majority which is still the market of the European Union facility of a hard border in Scotland so although that I think that this election that concert is certainly seats to the nationalist canonic future the future economic relationship I meant the resolution of whether we are leaving on kind of one more thing both the Tory majority and Brexit who whatever reason they might be different reasons but that they will be organized guidance in relation to candidates and elating that the Liberal Democrats would do better in terms of percentage of the vote than Labor would and then what happened over the course of the election is leap communist that didn't seem like a very agonizing choice but given the two thousand seventeen happen it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Germany called then the conservatives have to be deprived of their majority and it's still easier to do that in most seats by boating labor is voting for the Nipple Democrats is that a very strong anti-tory dynamic set in to the benefit of the party now I can see where he constituencies I mean if this election coming in six weeks there's no time to arrange that and there's mistrust across the board in British politics between all of the one back about six weeks doesn't seventeen yeah six weeks or so is there wasn't in a bad position there were certainly people at the beginning of that campaign two thousand seventeen he was it doesn't look like the most likely scenario that he could end up leading the largest party and yet on the other hand because everything on the other hand I think that the dynamic Labour benefited from a watered down I'm gonNA say she'd say that Labor benefit from in two thousand seventeen was lots in two thousand fifteen which is to say that you in voting Labour are basically voting for the SMP to have too much influence in indicia fairs that worked very well for the Conservatives in two thousand fifteen it didn't work in two thousand seventeen because there wasn't sufficient fear amongst potential voters it's to do with anything else because he is in a position where on the one hand could appeal to that this could actually happen but it's pretty clear this time that the scenario could happen so the fear factor about some pe- certain certain and there's been so much turbulence in the ways in which rotates reacted to things over the last few years it's not out of the bounds and I think the other thing we need we've just been breath custody the quick the main thing to remember is that from the moment the division bell goes it's exactly eight minutes Kosei reconstruction this outside because I don't have any inside knowledge of this thinking that they absolutely need to fight would need to need to be in some kind of a parliamentary arrangement with the SMP and then then that opens up the Conservatives play in the car that they did before leaving okay thanks rate that we've been so we've done the union sorted we talked about I think we should take questions because when he comes back it would be great too not least hear what actually happened about if there is a realistic prospect that Corwin could be prime minister then the two thousand fifteen done we'll also come back into play which is the Labor then finally the hope that are being expressed that they will be coordination just tactical voting just leading up to voters to work out what's the best bat of stopping people could say I'm voting Labour from our local pay and I'll just turn a blind is the fact that I really don't want Jeremy Corbyn prime minister because it didn't seem any possibility that Jeremy Kuban could be will ultimately to potty politics reassert itself in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred and at the moment on the Brexit side the police and come back into play okay so each time the door opens I keep thinking that our besuited heroes are gonNA come running back in but he hasn't yet so this nine players but do you think it could be different this time I'm not saying we'll be different but I think it could well be different as I say when I think that is as much to do with be promised I'm not sure if you like simply splitting your mind in two ways of thinking about it can quite work in the same way in which it did give you all presumably in some sense still a small c conservative I spend my answer prudence at home restraints and broad some respect for tradition small farmers in Cumbria and it's really about your your own future but also your relationship to British party politics so you're no longer a capital C. concerned and seven-party very long they threw me out before it reached my tenth year and how given that you did join late you then shut the doors on so if any of you have to do it again the important thing is to get to the bottom of the stairs at the entrance at the same time I'm not really very party political I mean I I was a Labor Party member in my youth with John McDonnell who is standing next to which I realized that there wasn't much chance this vote being lost in the yes so both conservative maybe cases I come from a conservative tradition that broadly speaking believes in in individual rights and limited government she is that on the one hand of course we say to the public look you need your MP to be part of a party and to be whipped otherwise tossing and then a couple of people shouted out things on their phones and we thought we should wait you to come back to tell us what happened so in parliament and now you had to vote with the whip and it was an issue that caused you problems over the years how constraining did it feel I mean how London Sun running for mayor and so in some sense it's a good as I'm a I'm a conservative in that sense I mean I'm not get a sense of how rarest I think Mrs Thatcher never voted against the government in her entire career so the idea that there's much point in these MP's really the possibility of whether we're GonNa get twenty fifteen again on twenty seventeen again we will take naps questions I'd like to ask you rory a couple more questions before we take things in New Orleans hey it's the first past the post system that is holding these two parties the two main parties in place and yet it feels like that can't carry on forever then you've gotta somehow get through made it and having made it all the way I discovered that the first person I noticed walks into my divisional the natural did it feel as a non-party ember to the it's very constraining natural because it's essentially parts of the general problem with our contract with the public scrutinizing legislation in detail is a little bit misleading and therefore everything we're taught in school about what the point of being an MP in terms of scrutiny on what the sense of autonomy I mean the truth of the matter is that when you ask most MP's than a division lobby what they're voting on they pause and struggle for a moment to work out what it is and thinks the parties are quite useful way of organizing people but it is basically very very demoralizing because you lose all can't guarantee that when you vote for manifesto that manifest is going to be delivered on the other hand of course we also have an idea of the independent MP who votes there the accident submit different portraits but then you've got to jump over the new security procedures that they've set up outside the House of Commons without policeman getting worried about it's cracking it's obviously cracking it's cracking I because we were always told that the point about the first past the post system was that you had strong majority governments and that clearly isn't the case anymore there hasn't really been the case since two thousand five I think the second thing which is cracking is that these parties have been dragged to their extremes clearly launch because of something very understandable which is the parties wanted to give their members and then I am joined the Conservative Party as three months before his election as a conservative MP so I haven't been a member probably much more conservative views on globalization multiethnic state and you can see this story's coming out of conservative central office that they were Sion's who shows their moral courage votes against the government very very difficult things to bouncer book famous but suspicious of the either of the independent white working class Labor voces who will have much more conservative views on immigration much conservative views on law and order these members have tended to drag the Labor Party to the left and the Conservative Party to the right and the Conservative Party is now I think permanently drag to the Oh has united the Conservative Party for now these fundamentally divided parties when and walk is something going to give you sit in the United States to a first century first-past-the-post-system it also mass verging third readings we have and do we have a day thank you right this whole election strategy yeah permanently because this entire dominic coming strategy is predicated on the idea that they lose thirty but it's always those parties have always been more diverse than ours what's GonNa give because these bodies cannot carry on like this for ten twenty thirty targeting people on the basis of used on trump's agenda was one of the ways in which stepping up now once you've built coalition that depends on let's say you out of the room we talked about the strains on the union the parties themselves are under deep strain and this is a phenomenon across Europe it's a phenomenon established political parties of the left away from Union Block votes and distributed amongst the individual members and of course if you're a conservative it makes sense to think you're going to take it away from smoke-filled rooms McMillan sort of tapping douglas hume on the shoulder towards a world in which all the members is says have the results of course being that this the seats basically in Scotland London the South West which means they're thirty down before they start going to pick up sixty seats and they're going to try to pick them up in the north waiting on because if you understand that my friend Richard Bannon I think voted once against the government in his life and was probably had the conservative whip removed from him and at some point something's gotta give maybe the first part of the post system will give maybe the parties will give this election could test it I mean fundamentally though the deal sort of sexual liberalism of the camera those voters are not not going to want I think you've been taken hostage by that group you've created a Trumpian coalition east so they're going to try to pick up people who are really speaking different ways of describing voter group but that traditional the legislature or parliament is seems a bit on when the actual lived reality is that if you're on the Conservative Party almost all the time to the center ground because if you suddenly start to do what part is sometimes pretends he wants to do which is to sort of go back to me and people that go can Kent Clark but it's also no accident that they're not giving us back the whip you would've thought they would give Ken Clarke back at least the web but the articulating a vision of the relationship between direct democracy indirect mumps in the courts and I very cheered up to see the Supreme Court beginning to do a bit of political all say in electing their leaders it was a very understandable decision very difficult to argue against if you're a labor MP of course it sounds right that you're going to take the cermony cobaine you you do what websites until finally before we all Scott Frost got some questions we talked about the strange on the constitution turn the Conservative Party and was Trumpian Republican Party which is why it's no accident really did that in a sense yes it's true that they threw out sixty eight that are representing Hartley Pool Sutherland bishops and it's very difficult to move back to the rights particularly Social Democratic parties but also center left Party in Germany you've seen hidden Franz and yet in the you very much rory just following on from that last point where you characterize some northeastern voters where does that leave the neoliberal they really can't because they're on this journey which I think they're not not really coming back from I think we should open it up whilst it's actually causing considerable distress to many people involves police brutality on a regular basis towards her sister so although this is Johnson conservative ironically may end up spending more that isn't because they're becoming more centrist or more left wing but it's because it's perfectly we've had a constitutional crisis where we've been doing it most of the public school discussion that takes place is still on the side of being quite civil that's true so you talk about the kind of swing back to the right inventory party and you've talked about the kind of deep chaos seems to be so cultural assists it's on controlling public spending and I think what you'll see is that the news thrown out of the party is Philip Hammond who's a sort of very strong fiscal conservative and his basic disagreement with Boris isn't really on Socialist Theresa May I mean can you see the beginnings of that in the mayhem and it's not just Johnson and comings of come in they were working on something that was already there union trying to fix brexit trying to sort out the US relations with Russia tried to constrain merckel about China but actually there's a domestic political crisis in France has been going on impassable to be a big spender and be a populist I mean these things are not necessarily contradictory but I think you're right in thinking that the sort of Hammond stranded I think that the reason for tourism is actually to look comparatively at what's going on in other countries politics not seeing what's going on in France where it's very easy for Mackerel to present himself as the person WHO's trying to reform the European thing off democratic process at the moment is there anything to 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Make it Six, With Jeff Capellini

The Isles Faithful Podcast

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Make it Six, With Jeff Capellini

"Daddy what are you doing? We're recording a podcast. She's listening. Islander fans are listening where are they? The right here. Welcome to the aisles faithful podcast with your host. Michael Shirley Line. Welcome. Back to the aisles faithful podcast I'm your host as always Michael, sherline, and this is episode number forty, six today is September second twenty twenty and this is a playoff edition of sorts We're in the midst of the second round we're GonNa talk a little bit of playoff hockey i. know I skipped between last episode in this episode the Little Bit of the series Jeff and I might get into that but here I am talking about him before introduce him but joining me this episode is Jeff Kappa leany of CBS New York known as j Cap G. L. J. on twitter jeff what's going on. And Mike, how are you buddy? I'm a I'm doing. All right. I would be besides myself with joy. Had the islanders pulled out the win last night but alas they lost in overtime again. It was That one puts you through a lot. I'll tell you that was that was a rough one. I mean they came back the third period. You had a feeling you know. Something special going on you know I keep saying that but. You GotTa get credit I mean their rent they ratcheted up and they needed to and. You know the they seem to step behind all night long the fact they show such big. Big Hearts in the third period after falling behind three one on the nist and then goal you kind of felt like. All right. It's not their night ready for game six and. You know brock with the laser beam. For. Sartre, who you know had didn't have a great game until that moment being in the right place right time and. You know opportune moment when Calcutta book made play. And you felt good but. Affiliate played desperate all night to their credit they didn't. Hold a bit ten after that they fought harder and it was better team in overtime win the game. Absolutely You know we'll get into that a little bit here as we move forward in the episode But On paper you know I I recorded a bunch of notes this episode and going through all the stats on NHL Dot com I opened up natural stat trick. Briefly and got confused at everything that I was reading. You know everyone else makes it seem so easy when they bring up all these. Join join the. Club. Coursey four courses against and last season. I had a couple of people on to talk about. Corsi and Fenwick and everything. And I still came away confused so I I mean I can understand looking at the heat maps and the shift charts and stuff like that and maybe he expected goals for when players are out there but I don't understand the rest of it anyway. On, paper the islanders blow away the Philadelphia Flyers they should. Serious should have been wrapped up and I digress. But you know we got strong goaltending on the islanders side Greis is second among goalies out of the top ten hero of the remaining teams at six per sixty minutes played with one six goals against granted he only played like a game and a half Varlamov one, point eight five. So he dropped a little bit grace and Varlamov were one and two earlier in the week I posted it on twitter but he sits fifth currently Varlamov does grace also has a nine forty nine save percentage, which is good for second If you look across the Philadelphia Heart is tenth at point nine, two, nine so. Right. there. He is definitely held his ground against the islanders and kept Philadelphia in this to this point you know. We're going to be going into game six and. Hopefully wrapping it up the islanders also have a ton of players I don't know if you've looked. At the top there with scoring, they have two players in the top ten for goals J G Patio Anthony Bavaria Eighth, and tenth respectively but there's a five way tie for seven goals. That's kind of crazy. Well. I'm actually encouraged by what they've gone off passively throughout the entire playoffs I. Really Am I. I didn't th they've been opportunistic they've been. At times at times, they've been sort of dominant. And the opposing in. You know and. and. That's really without getting hell of a lot of actual number production from Brazil even though he's been all over the place he's been. He has been forced out there. If you've been watching him I, mean he he's getting some opportunities and he's making everyone around better. Interest he's not just just not getting the stats themselves and that. I'm not concerned about it. I think if we get him back tomorrow I think. He'll be fine. But you know every single guy. Among their top six is has contributed except for well again in actual goals and assess it, you can look at Everley and be like you know when t gonNA breakthrough but they've taken their turns you'll. Carry them early. And there's Lee has moments. now brock is hot and Feels like it's ever leave turn next get him boards Zell going and they get that first line actually produced as much as the second line. I think Going forward that'd be a good thing. Obviously. It's not cut you off I it's it's funny. You brought up production because if you look up and down the islanders stats sheet on NHL Dot com every single player. Has At least one point Aside from Tom, you know even Tom Kuhn alkyl only played one game Ross Johnston. No points there sociologist shot myself in the foot but. You look up and down the roster in the plus minus and I know a lot of people argue that this is a meaningless stat but every single islander is in the green except for one and that's Casey's ezek is. But if you think about the situations that he's put into, he's out there he's killing penalties. He's out there against the top line. He's out there late and to try to shut people down. That's kind of insane. And again, sorry I, cut you off. No you know. I think that. They're actually producing more offensive standpoint than they did during the regular season, but they are there have to be a team that does. Go One through. Twelve the all as far as the Ford CEO they have to. It's just there's no other way they could. They could survive because everyone's carrying on far anyway. So what you would like to see I would I would hope to make for any. Anything you're not getting from the bottom six. Not Counting Patio but you like to see suspension and getting more into the offensive flow that You know it seems like Philadelphia is getting more offensively the defense than we are now under. So? You know I think we WANNA. We. WanNa see Contributions from the Blue Line as well because It just see it just feels like. No matter how much buzzing? Top Line is doing. It's not quite. There yet so to speak, it's just something's missing and I. I'm not sure they may not need it to get through this series but going forward if they do. You'RE GONNA have to met some fun. Even though the islanders play defensive game, you have to match some firepower you got to try to at least not some firepower against Tampa if you got. So. No. Right now they're still a very good position. Everyone's a little bit down after last night. But I think we were all so little bit down after you know. Sad. You GotTa Win. Win That fourth game is, is the hardest one to win even in the last round TWAS when they lost that game tell me that we're on the fans out there fearing the absolute disaster, the Bockel. Of Washington coming back. But what did they do? They just came out played the best game of the series. In in the game they clinched. They're totally capable of doing again on Thursday. You know it's funny. You bring that up staple had a couple of great points in the athletic this afternoon one of the stories he had written and it seems like in every series, I Florida they of failed in that. Third Game Try to sweep then they wound up losing. Came back closed out the series in four same thing with the capitals could have swept game five or four rather. Wind up losing. So it's three one one winning game five to close a series out. So this is a little different in that they've suffered two losses and they've been exactly the same. From the same exact play almost you know you got a goal. came. From. Deep, they're getting lots of point shots through. It seems that that's their game plan. They're trying to get out to the points and they're they're you know trying to keep a little bit of pandemonium in front try to get sticks on pox in three games? Three goals last night were off deflections a couple of other goals in the series seem like they're off deflections in that dead slot area as they call it. And Brock even headset in the post game last night as much as I was trying to pay attention in my brain was kind of just from I I. Don't know if you so I stood up for the whole third period and from the overtime. So like my legs were shaking, my heart was pounding. Didn't even have a beer last night like it was just it was. It was a crazy way to come down and then try to go to sleep after but. Yeah. That was I was I was. About Twenty minutes after that I was just like. Annoyed. I was annoyed but I mean, it was like an older I tend to recover quicker from these things. To me like five years ago I been beside myself today but. Now whatever. Live another dad planned to play today play tomorrow. They'll be yeah. We've been through a lot with the teams that we root for for sure. The only one that's been Kinda hold true has been the Yankees and We talk about that from time to time. Yes we do. We spoke about defensemen and you know there has been a little bit of the production from the islanders. defenceman The islanders only have one player in the top ten as far as points and Cisco, and it's Ryan Pu lock for his tenth with points at seven, and he's ninth with assists at six. So he's got one goal six assists for seven points But if you go up and down if you go up and down the list devante. Got No goals nope. Sorry. One goal five assists. Sorry my ipads like really bright. Scottie Mayfield for cysts. Andy. Green one goal two assists and how good is Andy Green been the last couple of games. He had the crazy block with his hands over time the on the power play or the penalty kill rather to get the puck out of the zone he seems to always be in the right spot takes hit to make a play just ahead of hockey player a veteran guy that this team has needed especially if they're going to be making a deep run in the postseason. Yeah. He's a consummate professional when they tried it for and I was thrilled. Because, you know at, you know there's people saying, Hey, we're just. GonNa play. He's GonNa play. You didn't make a trade for this guy and and then just you know come the playoffs he's just going to sit there. No, no way and the fact that replace worship. People, but at the same time. he's he's a better playoff defencemen that johnny. Boy. Chuck. Is, and there's because any way around that and I love Johnny. Boy, chuck but at the same time you. I. Think you'd much rather go with the guy who? Has I know trucks WanNa cop I, understand that but at the same time Andy Green was a captain of team. He's a warrior I mean for a franchise that. Back, then that was just Extremely good for a very long time and. He showing you why you know. He's he's revered in a Lotta ways by a lot of people. On top of the fact that he had history with Lula Morello which doesn't exactly hurt. Of course. Did you know that the islanders are the only team left with two losses when scoring I in the only team with a winning record when they don't score I? I don't know that and I wonder how much it really matters. I mean. As far as novel might be one of those anomalies I mean it's hard to tell what it really means they. Do, we expect them to come back last night down to what considering the way they were playing at the time. You know anything's possible. I think it bodes well for them because confidence wise is a team where in the past especially in the postseason, you know the second day faced a little bit of adversity. You know for the most part, it's been the same group over the last decade minus or plus apiece here and there obviously leadership and. Commitment to systems and coaching and all that aside that those are big things don't get me wrong for the most part. This team is pretty much the core of it has been the same. So the fact that they can rally. And come from behind daycare, it doesn't matter if the. Scores I. It doesn't matter if the opposition scores last it doesn't. It doesn't really matter. The islanders are not the same team and night I kind of buy into stuff like that because. That's the type of thing that drives these teams in the postseason. It doesn't matter nothing really seems to get under their skin. Staple had also had something else about penalties and how the Carter heart non call and the delay game last night, which I'm really gonNA. Get into I'm not gonNA cry and whine about it. It is what it is. You know we we've gotten away with a lot of stuff in this series as well but. You know you would have Barzel out there complaining to the rafts or you would have Lee not so much because he's been more of of the leader in that regard but to Vars was known to go bark at the refs and there's been some other players as well. So the fact that they've kind of just turn their cheek and keep playing their game it also speaks volumes for the type of person personality that team is becoming. Well I think they take their cue in that regard from. Trots I mean he didn't make a big deal about it. So you know he's You know he's not making a big deal that you can expect. Most of them aren't GonNa all of them are not going to make a big deal about it either. I. You know I well, not happened. Everything I was reading afterwards was saying that. goalies in the NHL used to getting a warning for something like that. even though the rule does state pretty much it should be a badly. So. I. Think it was more. It was a morning Peron. You see those tweets. Martine Baronne I saw somebody reference Baronne but I wasn't sure if. I was traveling on. I know John Cross was talking to him as well, but I think that was for the overtime challenge. I have to remember I mean I could probably try to you up here and see if Alan Hahn has it basically I don, I no, I don't understand how this is not a penalty and getting on. And all this, and then morning Peron tweeted said the rulebook quote rule calls for penalty but I've never seen this without offering a warning first. And then Han wrote back with Mardi Gras and forty three. So I'm satisfied. truth is the aisles tried to steal again they didn't earn and you know. They that's pretty accurate. I would say when you agree. I would say, so the the way that they played in the first, they have only four shots in the first period or something along those lines like ten four. After the first period you know they were lucky to come away nothing nothing and. You know. Yeah. Yeah. I tweeted also I am said after the first period I'll take zero zero all day Kinda ask the flyers to keep up that intensity for you know however many more periods this goes and they did Except for that loan third but. They were desperate and they played it and the aisles didn't match their intensity and you can. You can make the same case. The let me like we were saying for in game four against what he gets washing. The same thing happened. You know then they regroup. The attitude. I was reading today. Barry Barnes talking and and the players were you know we're putting out various tweets or whatever saying how they feel good about where they're going to be and it seemed like a very relaxed group. It'd be interesting to see how what what their attitude will be Should they lose tomorrow but something tells me they'll keep same public safes. But You know they're they're cool customers. These guys for the most part they're competent themselves and I think they. Have a much greater understanding of what who they are and they've ever had before. How much do you think that the weekend back to backs and the kind of the to daybreak last week prior to that Came into play with only having a day of rest in between before they had to go and you know having a potential elimination game here last night you think maybe. It kind of caught up to their legs a little bit or maybe a little mentally fatigued because I'm sure being in the bubble and all that is is a crazy thing to overcome. I can't imagine being away from my family for as long as these guys have have been away. Some of them have newborns at home too which is an it's another insane thing but. I think. I think the fact that they won the back to backs and then got a day off. You know I don't know if that really plays into it at say, say last night. been had been the back end. Of. The backpacks neighbor going for then I can understand that concern but they had the day off, which was you know? So I don't know if I really. They they. They've shown since the you know since the beginning of this whole crazy thing they've handled the bubble really well and the team bonding. Whole thing. and. So I don't know if I would put too much stock into that. I think if the back to back been set back in and then last night then maybe you could say okay and then. They could be a little shot but. No I don I don't think that that's really a real. I've also noticed I think we spoke about this last night on twitter. It seems that Philly is keying in on some of the more talented offensive guys. Obviously, they're kind of double and triple teaming Barzel. They're putting sticks on his hands on his body. They're putting the body on him shoulder shoulder Katori a wound up getting hurt running into him whether or not it was intentional or not i. don't know Patio same deal every time the guy would touch pock. It seems like they were hacking at him. He got pulled down a couple of times even Zeke's there was a non call at center ice, Ezekiel his feet were pulled out for right underneath him when he was going to. Yeah. and. That's suppliers, but that's the flyers playbook. They've been like that forever. and. The fact that it's in the playoffs. I'm not surprised me. You're desperate team you're gonNA do everything you can I mean you're GonNa, push the envelope as far as you have to push. And as long as they're not. You know the calls aren't going against they're gonNA keep doing what they're doing. Oh yeah absolutely. You know and then you know penalties aside it just seems that Every loose puck the matter what whether it bounces over and islanders stick whether there's an errant pass whether it hits a bump in the ice or hit a stanchion or whatever. For whatever reason last night in the same thing the night the islanders forced overtime. Was At game two. Now, game three. Every single time. Know came came to all right well, every single time the islanders would make a mistake i. it always seemed like it wound up on a flyer stick and you could always tell the pace of a game Who you know who winds up with the puck on their stick off a mistaker or just some misfortune and a lot of times it seems like those bounces go the islanders way. But when they don't man, it just seems like it just adds up and adds up and adds up and you know you had a lady icing that led do the overtime goal. You had a whole bunch of other passes and boneheaded plays. Brisard. I don't exactly remember what what it was from I. Think it was a turnover that led to maybe one of the second goals drew or somebody, but his was stapled to the bench up until you saw him out there with Clutter Buck in wind up scoring huge goal and if you watch the reaction of Trots on the bench, the coaching staff looked at each other like they drew it up like that they were like. I, think the I think that. What we need to look at here also when it comes to this beyond. The island is so far in the qualifying round Florida Washington now feel like they're all offense teams in the islanders are. You know they're going to dictate what they're going to dictate the islanders as I've said a lot. You know though there touted for their defenses which are not the New Jersey devils of the Lamour aloke Warriors, they'll limit teams to twenty shots a game they gave up a Lotta high dangerous stuff and the fact that their goal really good bills them out from time to time but also to. Be as effective as they are. When they are they they need to. Play with an intensity for sixty minutes or as as close as they can to sixty minutes and they got to keep that up all the time and trump knows it. That's why he put the hammer down on them after that game they won I think it was a game four when they didn't play their best and he said it publicly he knows he knows that they have to continue to do this. They're just they're just not built for with much of a margin for error and and so when you have roles and games. And your goal tending. Stand on its head. You know, do they have the firepower necessarily to to come back last night? They did maybe you could also say that. kind of fell asleep a little bit but. I just think that they have to play their style hockey all the time to be successful they can't rely on anything individual they can't rely on an overabundance of offensive power because they don't have. So. I'm sure that's the type of things that trucks constantly have to stick within their within their structure within their game plan all the time, and I guess a team that is. By. No means a juggernaut offensively. And you just have to. Do everything in your power to keep yourself in the game at all times and not. You know. And and just. Not. GET DOWN ON. Yourself. Keep the same mindset and just go from there. Then Hyun is. I think they've exceeded a lot of expectations. I don't know a lot of people expect them to get out. Of once they played Washington nobody I not many. I. Think a lot of people might be Florida but not many people picking not many people. Took The Washington I. Think That's People Picking The Philadelphia and if they get through this round, nobody's GonNa pick to be. TO BE TAMPA Bay. Flat, I think of it all depends on the health of Tampa because right now Kucherov hurt or at least you know they're not releasing whether he's Extremely hurt not taking that nasty stick to the face you know in in their game five or the five and Stamkos training in the bubble but he hasn't been skating. They don't really know they are not releasing the extent of his injuries I. Know He's been hurt since shoot since training camp before. So the only good thing you know so far is that it seems the islanders powerplays coming around. It's at eighteen point, four percent and fortunately for them. Philadelphia Zero for ten on the power play in the series and eight point seven percent in the playoffs in general. So not really not really clicking there islanders haven't really taken a whole heck of a lot of penalties in when they have. They've killed them off the last one in the game last night they didn't even have a shot on goal Philadelphia, so that overtime that overtime kill on Martin's penalty was big. The way they did it the way they the way they did it. It was it was just you could sense the desperation on their part you know in a gave the momentum to because it was pretty much right on the heels of killing that off that taves went in there and almost scored off the one timer. And then they went philly went up the other way and then Nelson had breakaway which he should have converted on as well. So I mean they did get a couple of chances in overtime. That was the biggest play of the game. I think. Well, no Nelson got in I. It just. Man You know if he scores go you forget about how poorly they played in that game. He really do you know in for a guy who has made his living and you know we've called Brock Tober and all these other funny. You know little need for all the months that he shows up in and he has shown up pretty much in every month now. Barry Trots has been his head coach. He's a guy that always shoots high when he's going in alone and it seemed like he was Kinda like almost fooled himself because he had so much time on the breakaway. And shot it right in the Carter hearts legs like he was GonNa go five. Meanwhile you know and you could always Monday morning quarterback this because we watch replays right away and we see the game a little differently we're watching on television I get it. But man, if he would have just made a little bit of a move and gone upstairs boom game over. Yeah that that one that one was I thought hard minute. Nice Save I. Don't know what Brock was trying to do their office. He was trying to go through the five over he was trying to beat them to to hearts right I down low I I don't know what he was trying to do with the one that really got was Everley earlier in the game when he was in a long he've he I think he totally herself he fooled himself on that one because twenty five. He held it for so long and then when he finally shot, it was week week attempt I mean it was it. He'd taken his angled away. He was going away from the goal to the right and then when he finally shot at, he tried to go through legs and he wasn't foreign anybody. I that's why I was just getting back. I just feel like he's the guy he's the guy. Now it's his turn. You know it was leased turn he he he came up big earlier. It was it was brock's turned brock's coming in. Now it's star could really is you know he? He did I have been watching him. A little closer than some of the other guys out there and and he. Seems to always be in the right spot Last night he was victimized by the puck bouncing a couple times. He went to go take a shot and it was like the puck just said no, and just Kinda bounced off his stick and you know the air the play where you referenced. Yeah. He definitely had way more time than he realized as well, and again it was one of those things where he went wide and almost took himself out of the play because Carter heart just kind of slid over and took everything away. Well the thing is also, he's really good in close. He's got great hands. He's really good in cost. You don't see him score much outside most of the stuff in slot you know he's gets a lot of garbage and you know he's it's just it's just surprising to me that he hesitated the way he did. He just totally. Fooled himself I. It was just it was just difficult because it seemed like an enormous moment in the game at the time. I mean they are going to have to find the back of the net a little bit more here especially in game number six if they're going to. Make a series out of it. Get us to the promised land for the first time since Nineteen ninety-three, I mean I know you're a little older than me but I was only thirteen the last time that. made it to the Eastern. Ninety three conference finals I think I went to two games. I was actually is went the last time you owners played. The flyers in the play offs I believe was nineteen, eighty seven. Wants to say. I was Nineteen Sa- and might even been the conference finals. Any was. No No. I'm not sure the year but I went to. The flyers wanted five maybe you can look that up and. You you have. Maybe, I could look it up, but I was at the game at the cost him. They lost four one in La Fontaine scored I remember that that was your Flyers WanNa cop I believe was the last time they WANNA call. My wrong. Now, what was the last year in flyers? WanNa come Again, Ladies and gentlemen you think this would be something that either one of us would have had we would know. Oh you know. But it's seventy, four, seventy, five, it says. The last. Played New last time the flyers Stanley Cup. They got to the finals I. Think it was I'd say. Ninety one. Anyway Point Band they could win one nothing game. The thing is it's yeah. They're going to give up their fair share of of chances during that. And it just seems like it. If they got a two or three nothing lead, I think over I just think it's over. But I. WanNa. See their mindset when they come out they sweep and sticks on their little tight. 'cause you know trump's is gonna he's GonNa have them in a good place. It's just a matter when you get out of that ice and you see what? Changes things a little bit. You know it is a home game tomorrow as well. So they they'll have only one one long change in the second period as opposed to two in the first and the third and I asked Habur metrics or Matrix, or whatever is twitter name is their carry if he had any of the metrics for. How what the islanders do when they have the long chain, but he never got back to me today. So that's something that I've kind of noticed that they've struggled with here over the course of the playoffs maybe because you know they're in a bubble city, there are no fans. There's no real. you know you're not living off the crowd you're not being you know that it really matters all that much obviously because they've been playing fantastic but maybe has a little something to do with it. The long change in you know being a home game. They could wrap this up on home ice. I Dunno it just maybe it's I. You know I I just actually found that game we're talking about he was able to twenty, four, Ninety, seven. Islanders lost four to one Fontaine scored the only goal. And just to tell you how old I am. Mark House scored for the Flyers and Brian Rob scored for the flyers. Kelly Akron scored for the flyers. Tell you some. Crazy Oh my God. Yeah. So I mean I want them to come out and play the game that they've been successful at plan and I don't want them to kind of fall into that lull that Philadelphia wants you to do in. You know they've been kind of forcing them to change up their game plan and I want them to out I want them to have strong for check because the four check at times hasn't been there the last couple of days maybe because they're kind of stretch in the island out a little bit they're. You know kind of playing the islanders game almost a little better than they can at times. Yeah. They have They haven't been to create as many turnovers in the offensive end they'd like. There are counterattacking team. and. When you don't. When when another team matches you with with that kind of style play and they're already a better offense team than you are. Not The greatest recipe. So I think you WanNa come out tomorrow and you just you don't WanNa go six minutes before you're getting your first shot on goal. You know what I mean you you WanNa come out and you want to start applying pressure right from the get go. You know you don't want to give this team any reason to because you in Washington it was just. that. Game five was a thing of beauty i. mean it was it was a close to perfect Amazon could have played it to that point. And they're totally capable of doing against this team and of conservatism doesn't play. That's a huge loss I. I mean I. Think I think is GonNa play. Indications. He's GonNa be fine but no one wants to give anything away. But. You know the couture thing. I mean his situation held a lot worse than. and. Barbasol situation Brazil's scary. But I think the type of injury and look it seems to me like it's gotta hit I. Heard it. And that's not something that you know. That's not superficial. NHL Network Radio Today, I was listening a little bit this afternoon on my drive home and you know the thing that stinks for me a little aside is my I mean it's a positive thing but my commute is twenty minutes now as opposed to an hour so I don't get the listen to podcasts on the way home I don't get the listen. To much. NHL. Network Radio Anyway, regardless they had seemed to think it was a neon knee hit with Barzel I mean granted. Okay. Tori a hit Barzel. But like you like I saw him flexing his leg, I couldn't really tell in the Ice Oh when they when they did go back to see what happened to him when they realize it was there. It was definitely his right leg. I couldn't really tell what and you never really know. Obviously, it wasn't a Charley horse because he didn't come back for the rest of the game or over time, and that was in the second period so. Yeah Barzel definitely scary. I mean Elaine Vigneault was quoted as saying this afternoon that he wrote the elevator with him and he looked okay. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah I don't I'd be very surprised if we don't bars off tomorrow not very surprised. I would love for him to be there You know obviously hopefully, he's well enough that he can get out there. He's definitely. Somebody who is a game changer in the PUCK is on his stick it still mesmerizing the watch no matter what he does. But again, like I said earlier, it even seems like for him he goes he circles around the zone I don't know if the ice is just to the point there's been so many games played in Toronto and it's a little warm up there still but the puck bounces all over the place late in the period. It. Seems guys blow tires out all over the place and the PUCK bounces and skips and You know. So that kind of doesn't really help the style a game that bars wants to play. He wants that puck on his stick all the time. It seems like when he's out there Wurley enduring been doing all the things that he does. He's not in a position. To be a danger as far as the score goes. You know what I mean. He's on, he's on the perimeter and he's behind that and find but he isn't getting very many shots and I don't I don't know how many total shots he's having this in this In this series but. They're sitting there putting so many guys on them. It's just it's unbelievable. Yeah. I feel like he had a lot more opportunity to score against Washington Florida then he has got against the Philly. I'm looking it up right now. Barzel. Say shots on the stupid chart I. Don't think it even says it's. Four goals. Seven assists eleven, points, plus seven eight penalty minutes. Three even strength goals nine even strategy. Shot any shot. Here we go. Thirty, two shots. Total for the playoffs total. Lease Tori. Lee has forty seven Nelson is thirty nine. Bo Villa has forty-nine Bailey has nineteen. HAS TO PATIO has thirty two Pollak has twenty six tapes has ten. presario twenty, four, Pelicans nineteen less fourteen. So yeah I mean. Your top six they're all up there but you know you would think I know bars L. is kind of like a pass first guy most of the time. Moore's L. Last night had one shot on goal. You got hurt. You got hurt. Of course we know Let's see. I mean you look at his numbers He his basically got an appointment. and. At least one point in three four. He's at point seven, nine points per game. So He's played fourteen times. It's it's. Just. Under three quarters of three quarters of a point, a game. Bailey's overpowering game. Here go got here shots. Parcel has a total of. This series started. Seven points on. Wow. Seven shots on goal in five games. But the GAL that kind of that goes yeah. You have to go his goal and three assists in this series, but he has seven shots on goal. In the last year is. Last year he had. Eleven shots. Oh. Sorry ten. And he went to and too. So, I mean, we know he has he got to show. He's a really a big. I mean, he's not is he a big goal scorer? We I don't know fleas ever going to be a goal score I mean we know we can pass. We know he's a good playmaker and hell he's a franchise player we know that. But in the playoffs, you need every last score you can get, and that's why we make such like everyone was having ever lease all. He's getting opportunities he's playing well. But at the end of the day, it's gotta be about production. It's gotta be about you know. Not Almost. Scoring or or buzzing or whatever. It's gotta be about actually putting it in the goal has to be. You know there have been a couple of posts the last couple of games as well but you know obviously, they don't count as a shot. How many posted the flyers hit by the way they overtime before they scored there's too I think they hit too. Yeah. Crossbar off. Yeah. Crossbar and I think they said it was the outside of the posts a lot of the key. Yeah. Yeah. Know. I mean we sound we sound we maybe because we're tired but we sound like we're a little down on this but I'm optimistic about tomorrow I really am I mean I think i. Wasn't very try very anybody other than Donald Trump's coach. But But I just have a feeling about you know he's going to have them ready. I have no doubt. You know the best part. I. Think the reason why maybe I can relax about this is the only game six. So they legitimately have two more shots to close this out. Do I want it to go to a game seven? No does the NHL maybe wanted to go to a game seven. Sure. There hasn't been one game seven the entire playoffs yet. Right hasn't even a game five I don't even think in the play in round there was all game four sweeps pretty much everybody got swept or almost swept. I, believe there could be a game seven. In Colorado Leaves Dallas late second to one. So wouldn't that be that that game is that game five or six? I think it's game six. Yeah, there could be a seven there could be seven there. It's I don't want to get too far. I obviously don't want to get ahead of myself, but the idea, the idea of the islanders potentially playing in the conference finals is just. It just it just speaks to the. To the state of the franchise, I, mean, all the things that we've been waiting for for so long. You know they are in a very good place. You wish the roster maybe was a little younger. But. All in all I mean there's really not a hell of a lot to complain about the way I viewed as they win tomorrow or if they win a game seven. Tampa Bay's the house money series. Totally House, morning series they will have improved. You know. As far as advancing in the playoffs last year. And You know I don't know I. Don't know how the match. However, matches what works for them going forward but. I mean I have a little bit on Tampa here and I don't I don't. You know obviously I didn't want to go too far ahead of ourselves but no, I know I I'm just trying to speak about the just the general general mood I mean I don't WanNa talk about like chances of winning or any of that stuff. But now you WanNa just win tomorrow and get it over with len then we'll deal with the rest later but exactly exactly. They do it. They have scored as many goals as the. With forty six and they've the islanders have allowed the least of any of the remaining teams at twenty six. I think Tampa Bay lightning have lead in a little bit more obviously they've played. A couple of less games but. You know they're right up there in the islanders third if you look at the remaining teams. As far as all the stats in general. So I mean they're right up there with the upper echelon teams in the Vegas Golden Knights and the Tampa Bay lightning so they're up their. Their offense has been impressive. For their by. Their. Standards. I mean. You know they're they used to planes title scoring games but you know they have been very opportunistic and it's they've actually done a really good job when it comes to generating offsets the pressure last game. They had like I mean midway through the third period they had like thirteen shots and then they went off. You know what I mean. 'cause they desperation Senate, the ideas can play with that desperation. You know when the game was tied or when you're ahead. Don't wait till. You're falling behind tap tap to play that way, right? Because you're going need that extra goal you need. Extra goal. That's exact. But I don't know if that's the mindset that Barry Trots has I don't think he wants them to go full out offensive operation there. For long stretches like they're very opportunistic team like you said before. So if they're gonNA get an opportunity to have a little bit offense, try to get it when you can get it capitalize off their mistakes. The problem is. When the problem is when the team doesn't that you're playing doesn't make that many mistakes themselves whereas your offense GonNa come from, you have to now generate those chances yourself. If you're going to. If you're going to say Barry, you know my my want them to hold something back. Then you have no excuse not play extremely sound in your own. True. Would you agree I? Absolutely. You know. But then again, there are defensive minded team and you know it's defense I in it's a team defense into layer defense. It's it's pretty much everything. You could possibly wish for you know just like football defense wins championships you know in hockey as well. Google, goaltending obviously part of the defense which the islanders have gotten great goaltending their team that is flush with the goaltender that you grace you can throw him in there cold you can throw him in there. You know whenever you need him too and he's going to perform and with Varlamov he's been a completely different goaltender in the postseason than he's been in the. The sixty some odd games we saw we saw earlier this year as much as they kind of went one one be back and forth. Yeah. Grace was wonderful. The only right. He was just phenomenal. The mean left him out hang awesome hanging a few times and he he build them out big time. But again, it's what I was saying before it's just in their good offensive team, but they're not a shutdown defensive again. They're not limiting your they're not really limiting so much the the opportunities as they are. oftentimes relying they having the confidence in the goal tender's to have to make saves. Well. What do you think? You know we're going to try to wrap it up here. What do you think? Is the most important thing aside from it I know we talked about this coming out, set the tone early getting a couple of shots on goal. What are some of the keys? Do you do you think? Are Imperative that the islanders accomplish in order to kind of close the series out tomorrow. Well what would you say? You said I. The things that you said that we already understand that have to be. You gotta come out you got to set the tone by getting your shots-on-goal early can't. You can't wait ten to the first. Yeah well. They got I think they should score score first of all. Let's let's not give Philadelphia. Any reason to think this thing is going any further than Thursday. You know what? I mean. Score I tomorrow. Let's see how Philly reacts to that. And you know you want even powerplays been bad. It's still generating opportunities for the most part. Let's stay out of the box. Let's stay out of the box. I think for me to and this is something I said on twitter I'm nervous that drew got his first. I'm nervous that Vm van reunite got his first. Niskanen got his first You know I wanted these guys to stay off the score sheet for them. You know but correa going down enabled vigneault to. kind of shuffle his lines and he kinda puts stuff in a blender and found a couple of things at work granted he that he didn't stick to those lines. He went back to you know what? He's been using all series long. Makes me nervous. You know you gave them confidence by allowing them to win in overtime. Again, you gave them confidence by skipping some of these guys off the Schneide you know and kind of getting past the islanders defense by getting sticks on pox that are shot from the point. So all those things make me nervous in that you know this is going to be more confident team tomorrow going into game six than they were even game five and you always expect the team to come out balls to the wall. When it's an elimination game you know, and this is another elimination game which kind of makes me nervous right? Can they match the intensity of the team? They'RE GONNA play? That's the thing. They haven't had to be desperate. Yeah. Well maybe they ought to treat it as such tomorrow. And I'm sure that's exactly the message that varies sending to the guys you know and. I love watching? These zoom meetings you know on the off days in the postseason you know the post game rather the policies were in the postseason Mike come on. How calm everyone is it's Kinda. Insane. Like these are guys. I know that you know and you know as well as some of the other people out there I've been around hockey players in in situations you know when I you can see they're just. Always kind of calm aside from when I covered the team and they were absolutely terrible and nobody wanted to really talk to you but that's another thing. You know two things you you're asking you're asking for what else do I wanNA see tomorrow. I WANNA. See the aisles. Get. Get, there get forward get people out to the point. Get in the way. Of these defenseman taking shots. I WANNA see Philippe Myers winding up with nobody near him. Just, like the goal scored the other night who took the shot from the point. That one of the game who? To Trust. Selected in. Pro Her up broke rob. Okay. Let's get out there and put pressure on them on the perimeter if possible you know and at the same time, let's clear the form the NEDAL better. Haven't been able to really do that and like you said when you open the show tonight. and. They're causing havoc all kinds of housing in front of are. We. GotTa find a way to. have him be able to see the puck better from a distance? All right. Well, I guess we're GONNA find out soon enough we got less than twenty four hours until game time. and. Win Loser draw going to be a fun night. It's GONNA be exciting. I know I'm going to be stressed out I I will probably break my own rule because I was trying not to have any alcohol this week very unhappy. Very. Unhappy with my weight so I'm trying to Get down to giveaway. Tomorrow's my Friday brother I. I'm all Fridays Saturdays tomorrow night we got about. SMART I. It's the only way. I'M GONNA bill a handle this one because i. and. There are times when I walk I mean I'm sitting here watching his games and. It's just there's nothing like qualifications just so so racking you can't believe it. It's just unbelievable and people people who are. Not, hockey fan to watch casually. They said all the time like my God. You know how do you guys do Yeah. It's like this. This is what it is. It's just the most intense thing you're gonNa Watch. It really is and the only thing I you know in the in the said this before the league is doing such a fantastic job with these bubble cities in the presentation and including fans. Boards with their their cheering the team on by zoom and everything like that really has been fantastic and the way they covered the seats to kind of make it seem a little more enclosed and everything I love being able to hear the players chirp and call out and I know it's on tape delays you're not really going to hear. Some of the lesser positive things that are set on the ice but as a hockey player I know what's being said so it's that's why haven't. I haven't watched any of the NBA. Probably will going forward but I'm not really really my thing for the most part but. I can speak when comparing how the NHL. Conducted this and how baseball has. I watch baseball games and. You can tell. At these teams. They don't perform up to their capabilities because they don't have fancy and stamps you can. You can just sense it. It's. It's very calm. Very it's. It's just not the same whereas hockey. It's the same intensity. Regardless, it is the same these guys are going. BALSA. Walls. And I don't think it's any different than what it would be if there were twenty thousand people screaming. You know I I don't know if I agree with that one hundred percent because. Thanks you've got. You've got. A bunch of the islanders and even buried trots have said it felt like during the playoffs at the fans were right on top of you and he would have to scream and yell and in his post-game he would have no voice because he was yelling so loud. So you know in a situation where maybe like yesterday when the islanders were Kinda struggling early in The period, and if it was a home game man, the fans would have got on them. They would have made them rise up. They would just taken that energy and converted it into something special on the ice in the end. That's like the current amount sports in general is the crowd present. It could be it could be the way it's presented on television to though. The way it seems on TV I often watch these games than I. I don't even realize the fans aren't even there. You know because they've done such a good job with the production values. You know bring in the goal horns bringing in crowd noise is knowing exactly what crowd noise to queue it exactly the right time. It's just I just think the way they've done it. The whole thing is just been exception. It really has I I'm just I'm happy that they're sportsman. We went too long with nothing. So depressing, you know the only positive thing about this whole entire shutdown is at it happened during the change of seasons from winter to spring. That's really the only positive thing. Yeah Yeah. Anyway man predictions. Sure on new predictions, the skull. All right I think the owners are GonNa wrap it up tomorrow night I. Think they're gonNA. Win. I think they're GONNA win three to one. And I think that it's not going to be as. You're racking a game is most people think I think that is going to have them coming out tomorrow and it's GonNa be. They're going to be going to be in it from the beginning. You're not, GONNA, lose track of their game. They might from here from here and there but for the most part I think you're gonNA, see. Similar to what you saw in game posted. For Game, five against Washington. I'm hoping executions. I'm hoping they come out. They do what they did in game. One. And Varlamov Kinda. Shows back up and we got a three nothing shutout. Wow three nothing. All right I'm going all in on pushing all in. Scoring. Every hatrick. Yeah. Short guess we'll. Say. Goals in one day now. Lee. Patio. I'm going to say pool. Lock. On the power play real walk on the power play. All right. I'M GONNA. Go with I think everybody gets one tomorrow. I think Zeke is gets one tomorrow. And A defenseman don't know. You know Pella has looked fantastic. May maybe he's he's He's he's he's he's quickly becoming. It'll be called elite defender. He's not becoming in the legal tender it'd be weird. and. I imagine that. Our Buddy Long Daddy. All right. Me Too me too. I'm going crazy at work. Then you know the schools are trying to open and they got a million things and there's only three maintenance guys. So we're. Stretched thin but I get pulled one hundred different actions but who doesn't at their job, right? Yeah, I mean I it's been ever since March I've been doing nothing but. CORONA VIRUS AND Police reform and You know I mean there's there's very, very few feel good stories out there right now from a local standpoint, the islanders can be one they are have been one and just imagine they pull it off tomorrow. You know I it's exactly what? Any town or any any city needs at this point. We'll New York needs all the help it can get right now but that's a story for another day. Isn't it? You gotTA brother. Jeff I appreciate you coming on as always. We need to do this again here before the end of the play offs whether we do you know. An end of the round or into the next round hopefully into the next round. So we'll keep in touch. Let's figure out a way. Let's figure out a way to get a get a third person in here. I will do my best you. All you knew. Ladies and gentlemen. I had A. Little. Bit of an issue with audio this more of this morning this. This afternoon and it took me over an hour. This might computer. There's going to be this is going to be an ethics editing job but. I don't foresee myself going to bed before midnight because it's It's already what are we? What we just we just moved for forty five minutes for an hour whatever wasn't the show is gonNA. Be. In. Ten. Minutes Law. Nat is fine. I'll even leave us talking over each other because it's just reality. Anyway, he is Jeff Capellini you could follow him on twitter at Jacob G. L. J.. He's A very, very, very, very, very, very good friend of mine. He's also somebody who I look up to in his taught me a lot in this industry and has become a very good friend so Foul him get him to have we trying to get you to ten thousand followers. Followers every single second the because I I don't shut up saw while you're also very You know. You. Have a very funny way of talking about the New York jets and the New York Yankees. Well he he? The Yankee people you know that's just. That's that's not really I I'm just a fan you know whatever. But when it comes to the jets I, mean I gave up I I've given up. So I'm you know I'm done I'm Pr- I've been done for quite a while that's broken my heart more times than. I care to care to talk about. So it's almost like it's not worth wasting all my energy on twitter to talk about that. Because they have, the new. The new girl here that that's GonNa Steal your heart because the islanders are GonNa win tomorrow. So Bright, so Hope and then then we can get together and talk about how they're gonNA. How can take down. Tampa Bay. Right on brother. All right. Well. This has been the islands faithful podcast. Again, it's been episode forty six I'm your host Michael Sherline follow me on twitter at House blogger can follow the show at faithful aisles. We are available wherever you stream your podcasts. Go Subscribe Rate Review go out there. Tell your friends comment on facebook rate us on facebook page as well as his podcast. Tell all your friends, tell your family and most importantly. Let's go.

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"The Limitless Sh*t," Season 5, Episode 7 With David Costabile

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"The Limitless Sh*t," Season 5, Episode 7 With David Costabile

"Hey. Brian Koppelman and this is David Levine. This is behind the billions for episode. Five Oh seventy midseason finale, our special guests than hanging because our special guest. David Constable rags who directed this episode kicked didn't kick ass if he really did. I, we could circle back to him. You know in directing portion, but just right off the top. He showed up so prepared he had just mapped it all out and sort of left nothing to chance, which is a great way to go about it especially when you're doing for the first time. And it's the third episode that the two of US wrote with Emily Hornsby who just contributed tremendous amount to the episode and to the entire season, and so one more shoutout to hornsby who started as our assistant, and worked her way up in his now just a major writer on the show, just just going to have a long career, and hopefully someday will hire us. I agree with all that especially the last part and she's such a great organizer. You know like when ideas are flying around. It's like they all get apprehended by her and. Sort of slammed into shape in a way that we can use it and we don't lose it and. Then when we divide up the scenes, she's proficient at executing her scenes. She really I mean. You know for somebody at the beginning of their writing career. She just really needs so little. Rewriting compared to zero season players, she's a writer, just a pleasure to work with all around. Yup It's true so Hornsby I'm sure you've heard enough of voices that you're not actually listening to our podcast, but if you are great work, I mean she's very thorough, but that would be super thorough I hope she's doing something else with her weekend or so. I, guess Rohan or someone else friends who does listen just be like Oh yeah. The Guy said. Don't make a lesson. Surely really wants to. So Dave. Where should we? Where should we start talking about this episode? you know. I think that we should start talking about sort of one of these central ideas in the episode, which is something that we have wanted to? Delve into for a while the idea of these high end mental performance enhancing drugs that the pharmaceutical industry is very busy creating. Your pro visuals your new vigils. We've. We've sort of had a tiny bit of field experience. We've seen other people that swore. That swore to them swore by them. We've also seen. And felt the downside of all that energy and focus that the down that comes after the high up well as your effect that it can have long-term over somebody's sort of sense of story will also would group what group think comes into play. and everybody's engaging in that behavior it can. The whole thing could just star moving absolutely, and then there's sort of no random outside on it. As the episode portrays, you know Taylor's sort of off premises the whole episode and walks back into it. you know sort of? Sober if you will and understand that there's been like a major. Compass shift over the course of the day and then. You know this didn't feel that far from us. There's a huge connection in all this. We call the episode the limitless Shit, because we thought that it was a hilarious reference in the way that you'd prefer to this stuff, but it's a reference to the Neil Burger movie limitless, and of course Neil Burger is complete billions family because he directed the pilot and another couple episodes. and. You know we 're able. Believe in to tap him as a resource, I remember during pre production on the episode. We grabbed this cinematographer Giorgio and and Costal. We all had a meeting and talked about filming ways that we could. Express. You know the feeling of what was going on with these people and you know we sort of paid visual Oh Maginot in a slight weight to the way he'd done it, and he shared other thoughts about how he came to it. That I know health constable immensely and of course meals. Are you and I saw a? An early screening limitless because Neil's been our friend since nineteen ninety nine. And Nineteen, Ninety, eight, maybe actually and you know. We worked on movies together and all that stuff, so yeah, it was great to get a shout him out. shout him out in that way and. You know this also is an episode where. Jock is finding himself in. A tight spot and is making making moves, and it's the beginning of really understanding how the story is GonNa turn an involve chuck. Axe and prince in some way as the season pushes towards towards its end yet another matter that that chuck was wrestling with in here was You know this this kidney problem that he's trying to solve for senior. And that brought on a lot of research I remember at the time. This was being discussed and sort of loose terms. Ben Metric was still in the room and his brother is like top transplant surgeon. and. People were getting him on the phone and asking questions, and we were getting these incomprehensible sophisticated medical answers. But we were able to distill it down finally into You know this this kidney donation subplot. In the fact that that this episode kind of works as a midseason finale is just a great. Lucky break I. Think Levin, because Yeah, we, we just so happens. It builds to a climax point. I mean often like these these midseason episodes. Are! I wouldn't say episodic. There's always the. Elements in our show, but like it could just be like things SORTA, it could be like the middle stone in the little path that you're hopping down without in ending that sort of substantial away, and it would have been really weird unfortunate to have to break off for an unspecified period of time because of the pandemic with sort of. A less Chris Bending is this one worked out to have? Yup. Yeah. That's totally true and It feels to me, I mean. We had no idea when we were writing this episode. Sort of what was coming, so it just feels like a good break that. that. That's the you know that that's the case I will say. We had to make if the segues into the script to screen. Thing As a result of that. We made some changes in the way that we ended the so this is a result of seven becoming the the mini finale. You're saying so yeah, and the part of this is like a director's commentary of a movie or something like so for people who are interested in really the process. We had a a a three seen maybe a four seen runner involving. A few of the characters that who weren't. Chuck at acts caps X. Capital characters, and it was very humorous. It was a comedic runner. That kind of came off of the Mensa runner in the last episode episode five Oh six. And as we cut the episode together. Every time we went to that story, although it was entertaining, funny and the performances, I mean Kelly. Are At the heart of that story and they were both magnificent. Dollar. Bill and Speros, but it took the. It was raising. You know you're not keeping your foot down on the gas at it was taking your foot off the gas, and and and it just made episode less tense and less exciting, and since the episode now had to serve as the finale for now we couldn't afford that. It broke our hearts because it was something we loved in writer's room. Yeah, you know it. Really lighten the proceedings. which was exactly what it was designed to do because. Often in the middle of the season I mean for us. It can't be too funny I. Mean we love the laughs that are coming out of this supposedly serious setting when these characters are shown their. Stuff Yup, we love it, but here it was just like. You know the plot needed to drive towards this suddenly established finish line in a way, and that just made it seem like to lighthearted. So we had to do the hard thing of editing out the entire runner. And you know I guess there's a world and I like that. You're being elliptical about it and not saying what it is because there's a world where could come back and be in another episode. Maybe maybe not, but you know it was. It has a really funny I. Don't want to give it up I. Don't give up the whole runner. In case. We decide that we can do it someday. We, and. Are there any other big sort of script to screen changes that you're aware of? I think that that was sort of like the major one. As. I always liked to do that. What changed at the? Table, repaying so. All, the stuff between scooter and prince was rewritten after the table read their their. Those scenes were a little bit Pure business and we we, we realize that by. Daniel Breaker so great that we were just like we have to keep. People always asked you right to actor. It's like by the time we were ready to do this episode. It was clear to us that we wanted to enter break to be a part of the show in a big way when he's around then, so we wanted to really make sure that stuff meeting between Between Cranston scooters and I think we by then. We'd landed on this idea that. Fitting very much into the billions universe, prince's a guy who made who's very conversant movie references, but we just thought it would be entertaining that scooter for all of his brilliance and income you know comprehensive knowledge of every other topic just hadn't bothered watching a lot of movies. Yeah and it works great and Daniel plays that stuff so well I loved the idea that you know he. He knows the composer of every opera ever and could sing them and all that stuff, but. Not He's. He basically knows exactly what he's saying when they reference a movie, but he just hasn't. Seen, it yet suppose he's been in this world so long that that that that he's had to become a knowledgeable enough without without having seen it. What should we go to next I? Mean generally we go writers. We kind of covered. We kind of covered that 'cause. It's US in Hornsby. And we talked a little bit about cost -able. You know. I guess if somebody would see that a major cast member on A. On a show had directed an episode. They may think that it's just something that the person gets the raise their hand and ask for the chance to do or. That the executive producers come to that guy or woman and say like. Hey, would you like to? but in this case it was possible who raised his hand several years ago and He'd never directed anything. He directed stage, but but never on TV or films so. You know we. We have like. A deep belief in his competency, but we said well. We're going to give you the answer that we give. Basically who comes to the show to direct? Who hasn't really done it before like you have to shadow episodes, so you see the process and we've talked about it how you know that means going to every meeting every location scout. you know being in everything that? A director of an episode is doing this shadow goes to and gets exposure to now. This was paired with cost ables, having to work his actors hours the early calls or the late nights, and then he would have to take off the wags garb and show up in the scouting van. You know maybe six hours later, not getting his actor turn around because he was in a different capacity, all of a sudden, and it's not an easy thing to do you know it certainly would weed out somebody who? WHO SORTA thinks they want a direct for the glory, but not the hard work part. But he did it he and then you know. Would he do season three episode and then season four, he came back and did another episode today's. Yeah two different directors and He did. wonderfully well, and I think he did a great job in the episode and we'll. We'll keep our segment of this little shorter than usual because I. Think we should bring him in for a long time. You know we should bring him in and have a real combo about the absolutely so. Crew Superstars we as we kind of come into this mini finale. We can't not single out. Two gentlemen that have been with the show since the pilot who are so important to billions being what it is, and that's George Patios, the key grip and J fortune gaffer. You want to tell everybody what those guys do. Well. Yeah, nothing would be litter shot. If those guys didn't do what what they do, the grips are responsible for. Getting everything in place and figuring out how to get the camera where the camera needs to go had a lay any track that needs to be laid how to basically a get get everything where it needs to be and solve a million in one problems all the rare games that are rigging cameras on cars. yet moving into. Locations and making sure that the gear. That we need is there when it's needed. And that even I mean it is so much more involved in that, because both of these guys are filmmakers, the gaffer's gaffer and his department electric department they figure out work very closely with the cinematographer to light everything they are the ones who hook up all lights regulate all the lights deal with all the lights and everything having to do with electric amount of a whole show. Yeah, and they work closely together because the the grips will put stuff in places, and then the electric has to make the stuff work, and and so like these are the nuts and bolts of the job. which you know, these are already complicated jobs, but these guys in particular bring such a care and an artistic approach to it that they're really filmmakers. Your were aiding the the director and cinematographer, and it's amazing to watch how that you know when Jay's setting the lighting? It's not like he just has them flicked on, and then just lets the DP duty wants. They have these conferences where they talk about the mood. That's being expressed the best the best tools to communicate it. You know whether it's gelling a lighter. What kind of light the quality of the light the caller the intensity? And you know Georgia's. They're making that happen. If they need to cut off the direction of a light, he'll, he'll go up the ladder himself. Even though there's a whole host of people working under him that could do that. He wants to make sure that you know flags, putting the right place or Qatar you know he. They're all people are talking about what's impossible to do. George Passos and Jay Foreigner are going under. No, it's totally possible, and they're finding away to execute the creative vision, and then to to improve the creative vision by how they. They do things you know being a place where someone say well, there's no way to get a light up high in this spot because you can't put a crane in this George will look at Jay I'm a corner and kind of talk to each come back and Michael. We know how to do it and suddenly. Yeah, suddenly you exact light is the exact height you need, and it's the exact light that you wanna those two guys figuring out with their teams, and there had to get this Larry S and unflappable, and it's great having them and then. A counterparty. There's in physical production as we're talking about production. Is a CO EP on the show. WHO's the line producer in who has been for the last couple of seasons? That's April Taylor in. April worked her way up. She was a unit production manager in the first season and has worked her way up to now. Running physical officer production, so she does everything from crunching the numbers on the budget, and to making sure that all the departments are getting what they need you know. She needs to sort of look at the script and be part of the triage process to understand. What's the most important part of the story? We're trying to tell and how to divert the resources to that you know who can, which department can do with a little less or is going to need creative thinking and she works hand in hand with George J making sure that they. Have what they need to deliver and. She's tireless and she's terrier. Working to make sure that the best version of the show gets shot and put on screen, her family said perfectly said. April is an invaluable partner of ours and as That is a very very difficult job and it the pressure on that position. Is Extraordinary and She really rises to the challenge and it's Listen any any any executive producer show runner who says it's always a joy dealing with the parts of the job. The line producer has to deal with because libraries cut personal also has to say base the only person who ever asked to try to say no to us, so that's not an easy thing to have. Yes, the line producers wedged between the exact producers in the studio in the studio. You know want a good show, but they also always want to save money if it's possible. And an April is really gifted at knowing what's important coming to us with real solutions when The appetite we have is too big, and sometimes we say well. We're GONNA. EAT that meal anyway. We'll figure it out later and sometimes we. Pass on it, but she's. Truly extraordinary helped us so We want to out on this midseason finale episode of behind the billions. Lottery Frence's lot of guests cast. Let's talk about her. We blaze into it, let. Miles Davis, Spanish keys playing in the opening dinner, which is hilarious I mean. We both dabble listening to miles. Davis at various points of our lives. We're talking about Jackson pollock. I mean. We talked about him when we were kids. Wondering about angry I'm so angry at ourselves for not yet putting that one line and I'm not even gonNA. Say it now. 'cause I WANNA hold it so that we haven't said the lime in this show yet. Is that we we literally one of the biggest things we said to each other in the last twenty years has to do with him, and we have not put it in the show. It's crime, Dave. It's a gosh. Darn crime then Chuck Mentions Your Billy I. Wish to the Young Law students. Students, which is hilarious there? There's yes the Billy Irish reference. He says he also says when he's talking about trying to take Krakow take dead aim, which is like a back door. Harvey p Nick Reference to Great Golf Instructor it sure as we get a coach Belichick Taryn. Brown Shane the warriors, Wag, the dog the last Great Mamat. If you're wondering if Merle if we call the Guy Merle because of the godfather to don't wonder you're listening to this podcast and have watched the show I think you know why the guys named Merle. There's a Tom Cruise reference. A few good men E to Mama Tambien. A movie that was so magical to us that. Well not exactly as Taylor says the I only saw it once. Did you ever see it again? I never memory of that movie to be exactly what it is from it I don't WanNa, break the magic spell of that movie by feeling differently about and watching it now, and that's so Taylor says that Taylor had slightly different resent movie and on me are two movies that are so perfect in my memory I in a certain way. Although I normally watch movies of over and over again. you know. I didn't want to upsell. Glad. We got crystal in there. which is not only a I WANNA be. I think you and I should be clear that that is not only a reference to a few good men. It is also a reference to a few good scouts. Yup. People should find that on Youtube. A few good scouts from from the old Ben Stiller comedy, sketch show. High, council it is. It's a little shoutout to the Ben. Stiller show fans as well and then the episode closes with the heavy going to the mattresses riff. BET gives way to a METALLICA hardwired rift to elements very close to the heart of the show, very deeply deeply baked into the show, but also we can't just run past are magnum reference because the things that have really have to do with the two of us I mean if you and I didn't when we met at fourteen and sixteen years old. If we talked about clean, would movies for a day. We talked about them for four years nonstop. And there's a reason that they're mentioned in rounders. Everybody drank and why. We brought Magnum force. Back Magnum Force has things in it that have stayed that that movie had a huge weird influence on us. I think in in lots of different lots of different ways, even for me, even more than than than dirty Harry, it's so heavy and violent and corrupt and wrong. It's just wrong on so many levels and And actually relevant right now. It's always stayed relevant somehow, and it's. It's even more relevant right now, but it's just a weird counterpoint to need to Mama. Tambien first-half wags really doesn't Mash up there in the wags they're. They're not really. They're not really the same and then. Of course, a midsummer, which I still haven't seen, but trust you. Thank you yes, you don't want to be Midsummer D-. No I know that about the movie it might be the only movie reference ever in the history of the show that I. Don't know the movie personally, but I just don't like those kind of movies and I. can't bring myself to watch it. I watched it alone and. Laughed and was horrified and scared and delighted. And then I have to shout out the reference of busted. If you don't know that record by Ray Charles, go get it. That is one of the greatest three and a half minutes in the history of popular music. It is I remember hearing it at twelve, and it had that Harold Bloom Strangeness of Twelve Years. Old I found that record. I put it on. And I remember just being completely shaken up by just totally shook by what I could barely comprehend as a twelve year old and I went and listen to it again today. They have ended still just thoughts you up. It's so goddamn great busted Ray Charles go listen to that track. Okay? You sold some Ray Charles. Now hadn't Maria Sharapova get back into this episode back into the show suddenly in this episode. Well what do you mean how? I mean you know that's a left field kind of OPOLE radio? Well, the idea was like what I mean. Access accident at the end of five or six says. You know you, Tanner says to Wendy. All bring someone. He doesn't mention wags. We brought in as backup somehow in between. Maybe I'll bring someone he said, and this is your. Well, it just seemed that. Who's actually going to date? Who's he gonNA date and try to sort of show Wendy in his own way that. He's not that easily sort of Intimidated or played or any of that stuff, so he brings an and I'm really glad you brought me up. I. Mean what a professional. She just totally delivers. Well, it's amazing you know she doesn't. She's not a formally trained actor like all these other people and that was a very long seen to shoot because of all the angles took all night. But you know. She showed no signs fatigue. She was sharp during every take even for all the other people's off camera stuff. She nailed all her lines. She had a total understanding what was going on, and it was like literally I believe the day after she denounced her retirement. Yeah, and I will see when she walks onto a set. People are on their best behavior. She hasn't. She is one of those athletic leadership. People like you're just like Yup. That's that's Dal. Alpha female. Is that a term? It should help person. She just an Alpha here that she's an Alpha. But But also very kind of Nice Yup great to us on the show Scott. Cone came back as Pete Decker. which we've loved this guy since the first season we've all. We've always wanted to work with them up until then and any time we can wrap him back into the story. To five people decker being on the show, Pete deckers on the show. And then his cohort on this who is is the incomparable Rick Hoffman is Dr. swirled low from suits. we could talk about that a little bit more. When constables. Yeah but I do want to say From the moment. I know from what I saw that guy add suits. I was like I got to get this guy on the show and I showed him to you and you're like Yep. Let's get him on the show, but then we'll bring this up the cost then. We didn't think of him for the role because I. Honestly I didn't think he'd come. Do it or whatever and then Dave brought it up Kosti did and you and I immediately like go get him. To come to the show, let's do it. And then the second he showed up. We started hanging out with him. We grew up six minutes away from him. We grew up with all the same people and I think we're all. Deliver maybe three years older. Yeah, but your wife was like in his Co... She was in high school. They went to high school yeah. Wild wild stuff. Danny strong came back and just put on a tour De Force performance as as in this episode men. That was entertaining And then some real sort of cameo players Mary Giuliani. The. Show longtime, Jeff Caterer personality in new. York, and irregular on the Rachel Ray Show and yes, she she was fantastic on the show, and then at the go ahead. Keep going see Abacha. Yankees legend. That was super cool. Yeah that was a wild wild day, I got to podcast a the moment with him, and then have him come out for the and you just recently done. Pardon my take right. Well Yeah, and then I just don't partake in and Pfc. comments came out that he's the one who's hanging with with certain. Cc and it's great. He hasn't told anybody so when the show airs. Big Cat knows, but that's it. It's GONNA be awesome. His his his audience GonNa Freak Out we think that, and then a quick shot at our old friend Alison cantors who was in that scene to WHO's notable in the art world. Oh. Yeah. It was great having Alison on. She belongs in the billions universe, and then mark Lazarie came back. He's been in. Is this results for sewer three episodes, but has been an just a not just invaluable I mean essential to the conceiving of in writing of various episodes and storylines on the show, a huge help to the two of US owner of the Milwaukee Bucks. And he is rolling in that scene with David Solomon. The head of Goldman Sachs, also known as Dj de Sol, an actual legitimate DJ. Yup Dj any may tracks, yeah, and a great a great presence on grade presence on the show. I've been lucky enough. We both have to spend some time with David, and he's a fascinating person who men. Nobody knows this world like David Solomon and I'm so glad that he watches the show and that he wanted you know was willing to come and lend some credibility to this De. Because we were. We try to figure who would be it. Would this kind of an art show and it would be people like ceases about the A-, and it's people who have the kind of money that they could just spend it on art, and it would be people AAC. David, Solomon and Mark Lazarus, House and calendars and that's just what that world of the show. Yeah, these people are really populated the the kind of. Of People that acts would wanNA show his new artists to so that they regarded the new artists potentially bought his work in the future, thus driving up the value of what acts owned and a and a great legendary New York trader Richard A game. Anthony was there too, and he's another guy who buys art and He's a a notable card player and Bobby von around town, and I was glad that game got to show up. Yeah, it was great and I remember people on the production asking us if we wanted to pack the room with thumb regular background players. You know people acting pretending. They were there as guests of access and we were like. No, he doesn't need to fill the room. He needs to have the people in the room. Be The these recognizable people who are the right people It's not a mass event. It's a curated event that acts put together. Exactly right and No, it was a just a great turnout, great great setting and Anything else you think we ought to cover before getting cost in here. No, I mean you know. Kasey totally understood the vibe of that night. And Shot. It well chilled as a director. I let let's let's get him in here. Well Levin this. I mean think I've heard you say it to me. Actually like basically any minute we get to spend with Dave constable is a better minute than the minute before Dave constables one hundred percent, it's it's a plus it's a life plus minute the fact there were years after we'd known and worked with Costea that we didn't get the player with him and hang around with them on a daily basis it it. My voice sounds slightly I know like I'm fucking around 'cause earnestly at this. Earnestly feels a little bit sappy, but I earnestly mean it cost to. You know we love you and. Thanks for joining us in the behind on the behind the billions. Happy to be here. And Congratulations Dave! I think actual applause and this guy pulling off. Directing. Field. Directing the episode first time I on director. First Time Well I. Mean You know? Why don't we start there lake well? You have directed theater. But, erecting TV Y Y Directing TV. What made you WanNa do this after all shows you've done and all the years of billions. They one of one of the things that really interested me night, said this from very beginning when I asked you guys. into whether it would be possible. and Women Brian said like you can in season fiber. Great terrific, that'll never happen. You still see that's not fair. When of I literally ever said anything to you? That didn't come true I. Know But I. I'm cynical optimist now, not the mystic cynic. It smacks of a fob off because there's no guarantees you're getting a season five. Yeah, exactly I mean at that point we had just started season to. Season but not? Sure. How season five be great if we got season by? Yes, but before you answer we can. We can fill in some background here, which is, it's not like you just hung around and and sort of hoped or nagged us or something you. You put in the work. Shadowed delayed. You shadow the full episodes. Yes, sure you get. You said you gotTa Shadow twice. Chirp at seemed interesting to me, too, and I think just sort of generally you know. I never really had an ambition to. Go out and become a director like a gun for hire my interest in primarily was. When when you have a long collaboration like three already had a law flap ratio, and the idea that you could be in a larger longer liberation with crew members and other cast members and the writers, not just you guys, but all of the writing that you had done collectively over those many seasons it seemed more. It seems and still seems more interesting to me as a as somebody at what the value that I could add to that was. was only from being on the inside, rather than coming from the outside and being like hey, about this about this, it seemed much more exciting to me. from process point of view to to be able to be able to be inside of it so deeply to know it, and to never really have to question question where the writers wanted to go, so it wasn't. It wasn't like Oh, maybe the writers I don't know. Maybe they like this That seemed very interesting and then, and then from a performance standpoint. It seemed it seems so much easier to walk into a room with Paul Damian. Magyar Asia anybody even even guests that we had. And and come from a place a from A. Place of I know where you're starting and I know I know where you are even in length of the process of this long story. And That Was the best case scenario, and some of it was the best case scenario the empty even have the length of time from when I started shadowing to win. I addressed there wasn't any That wasn't what made me nervous. It didn't. It didn't fill me that the anxiety I wouldn't know. How attack, or how to even begin to ask a question, and even when I got pushback from anybody, even from you guys, it see it made sense in terms of. The whole picture about the about all five years in about the long novel, and even the long even for us between the three of us, the longer discussion blabber whatever collaborative. Place that we started from and the history that we have so it just it seems an, and that still seems truths. If somebody was asking me the other day, like well. Does that make you want to do more and to the extent that I could have this kind of situation? It does so if there were. Any number of of pieces that you would wanna make if there were enough people that you were in a long term conversation with then yet. Yet carry that forward well, I mean season ten is right around the corner. Comes back around again. Only make sense absent by five years off. You'll step right right back in. Really think think about that. Well I mean listen. You were totally comfortable With the cast their close friends years there your peers. You've worked at them for years. You are an accomplished actor. You're trained actor so that the performance part was not an aspect of this that we ever had any concerns about, but I would love to hear like what was harder than you expected when it was time to do this. If you take that part out. I think the the stuff that was. The the speed the speed with which you're making decisions. The speed with which you guys are also making decisions, the the difference between. Having a conversation with you as a producer versus having a conversation with you as a writer or even as a writer, who is sort of asking you about performance or put a moving you towards some idea about it in performance That was it was. It was hard because I don't I didn't. You know. I'm obviously not a conversation that world and it's and. That was that was challenging for sure There were there were definitely times when there was. There was a couple of you know. There's a there's a some some moments of the fog of war, which were very very foggy and. Challenging whereas I think accomplish directors. Don't get that foggy I think that I was just like I. It happened the very first day on the very last day. Like inert like a an exhaustion of nervous energy that stopped it from being able to see clearly or something also. You're trying to like in the moment when you're. You're actually trying to hold the whole picture as opposed to again. In, fairness to you but Kosta. To you the last day, the first day for every director is how the first day I ever. We luckily had insurance day like no one's ever seen our first day of shooting through it out. That's true. They've Levin. There's crews. There was a problem at the lab and it turned out to be a great break for us. It was amazing reshot everything on our way true. It was an actual problem. You're burn that earned that shit like I don't WanNa. See it. There was a matte box light lightly and. We then leaned heavy into it to get everybody to agree to make an insurance day, but I mean yeah. There was a moment when they were like well. We could fix some of this and post in the insurance money to that we were like. Why don't we just do it again? Yeah! We just flushed our first day ever. For Real Twenty years ago, we had to because the first day so scared. Put the last day. Here's what you're dealing with. A production that was gonNA shut down for for covid within twenty four hours. fifty visit, fifty or sixty of background players in a small area. Some touching moments. Around sort of where characters and actors were going major guest, stars major pieces of billionaires onset, who we had to manage for friends that we had to get shots of because of where their status is in that world, I mean it was a lot to manage on your last night and I think the art and acting, and then certainly yeah in the acting and the and the first day because we had. Had the added aspects of drug that there was a whole nother was not just a single wasn't just a straight online. Just should shoot show and do what you know how to do that. We were you guys were finding out what it what it was in in in real time, and you're seeing it and responding to it immediately, and then being like okay. How is this manifest? Because it had so many implications for? The rest of the episode. How how is everybody going to get on this particular age ballots with the drug? Taking is GONNA. Look like and how it's going to manifest and that was. Don't challenge, but as I said I set at one point I looked at Georgia. Or Georgia somebody and I was like I was like. Does. It goes so fast. It goes too fast because you also just you know when you're in when you're in the rehearsal of their enough people. You're like okay. I can I can take him. There fifteen people here I can take everything that everybody's doing and then all of a sudden. Crucial! Hundred people, and you're just like. Your head is just spinning. You can't believe in all of a sudden. It's happening and and it's just like no getting, but you got. You had a great command climate that you set you a really wonderful with the actors I wanNA, talk a little bit about you and wags. We've we've. been a couple panels. We've done where we've discussed this very briefly. But I was thinking this morning. About your whole involvement in the show and as you know. We call you and we said we want you to play this part wags. You have to come audition, but you're the only person who's GonNa Audition. We're GONNA make sure it's you you came in. You did the audition, but the character was a quiet character. We had a totally different idea, and then between the pilot between us. When we watched the pilot, we cut your the the big scene that was going to intro you in Damian got cut. And so that we decided to introduce acts a different way. Then you're part was very small, the pilot and which we we knew we were going to start changing the character, so we made it small, so it wouldn't. He would make a big impression. You made the change beautifully. But I wonder. Were you freaked out when we had that launch? And we said Hey, the character has to go one eighty. You have to become the sky wags in a totally different way. It did freak you out at all. Didn't so most would freak out. Why well couple of reasons one is that? I knew that you knew that I could do it. So I knew that you knew that I can do it. You nobody, but you guys ever would have cast me in that role nobody. Nobody nobody nobody. There's no way I've never played played bad as before, but I've never played somebody who was so outside of the box and so aggressive and so cruel, and just like such a animal and. You guys were just like that guy can do it like you knew that. My sort of sublimated rage would be able to come, and just, and then when you started to write it and how you started, develop it because you guys didn't know either. It wasn't like you at planet you had written entire, tireless different dynamic Sweden two central characters that that the whole Soba the whole Buchan deal annual original through original inception was that wags was much more toned down sort of in contrast to an axe, who is like fiery and running all over the place, but then Damian. Sort of brings this cold controlled kind of a stalking panther kind of a vibe, and we were like Oh. Okay, this is so clear now lags has to be the it of the place, the unrestrained part and you know people who watch closely may notice that that in between episodes one in two you go from clean-shaven and sort of like buttoned-down like sweater, kind of vibe to the goatee with like the little devilish twist on the must add, and you know like the the the slick shirts and Blazer vibe, yeah! And you know just just from a process point of view. That's you know. I have been trained to become a transformational actress. That you're supposed to transform, so do transform change, and that is you know I? Think people look at you, know my career or the roles that I have played in. They're like you'd play so many different actors and be like all right. That's because people right so many different eras, and the whole point of the job for me and many other actors you don't work. Thing, but they. It's a much more personality driven thing, or it's a much it's it's. It is a much closer that they've valued that particular thing. But for me. That's the whole Gig so when you guys were like. A change and I was like array. You'd be so in the first episode you're. You're like a whispering constantly airy in that moment at the basketball game, and the second episode is is like the Catherine the great, and maybe yes, or your vile none comments, and you just Boston loose right and I remember the very first day we shot in the second episode of the first moment when I started to feel it and I was like Oh, that's it that's that new. Do you know? Know I don't know if you guys know this, but but it was when Lewis went can show me gets fired right right and I know that guy's a monster. He's in better clear. The Guy Plays Victor and he's just just from a kinesthetic place. He's just got so much going on, and he had a line where he's like. That's bullshit, right? He gets fired. Is that bullshit steps toward ax and my act the what I what I decided. I just started to move towards. Thought unit like. Let's go you need right now. And I was like that's crazy. First of all at guide could kill me. He could my ass, and I was just like I was like it didn't matter it. That was totally immaterial to that character that he would die or lose a lamb or an ear or something. He was just like. Let's go. You just said that's bullshit in front of everybody, and now I know the only thing I wanna do is run towards that fire and and then. The Guy's June. Run towards the fire that you were not gonNA. Let the guy get, to your feudal Lord Way this out of their happy and happy to do not afraid and for me in my life might David's personal. Guy That's bullshit. Ghetto, sorry surgery, but it felt so exciting to do that and I guess to that end. That was the that was really the moment when I knew that. That, you guys knew that whatever wherever it was gonna lie of me, was GONNA. Be What you what you were hoping. We had never doubt so that then when so that when you guys started to see it, you're like Dang. Yeah, then you wrote an. You ran way ahead and started. Chasing you to get to that place where you just started writing Insane Pauling, shit though I have to say. Okay, that's one of the delights of this for us is like you know, but that first season only we're the only people who saw it right. Just an our editing room and we knew you were GonNa pop like we knew. Wax Is GonNa pop huge, and once or twice are great partners showtime, who are always great in that they always end up. They defer the you know we're like. Are we really going to do this? This is going to be this big. This guy and we were just like Oh. You haven't seen this. This is the toned down version wait. Wait till episode five. We're going to write. It wasn't about your performance. It was about the whole idea of. Are. We really going to put this character. In this way, he's really GonNa say that paying about the Horse Cock like and we're like. Oh, no, no, he's GonNa, say it. Really allow loud because we felt it represented, and I'm sure you've felt this. How do you feel like we knew that you were actually doing? What those guys on the street were thinking they were they in private. Moments want to be that and they've told you that I mean. What does that feel like? When you walk on the floor of the Stock Exchange? They go fucking crazy man. I'm wondering. Because the majority of the guys, the guys who are age live that way. They used to live that way for real. So you see light up, there is right you seem like. Aw! Still. I WANNA pack. Like never coming back, baby, you shouldn't have lived that way on the. Back. Row Well Yeah. But you see just. They just light up when they see me and and that was. Like People's will research, you'd be like. You don't have that much research. You feel it. You feel you walk into the room. I see those guys shook their hands back when shaking hands as possible and you know they were just like it just comes, it comes out of them. It just lives on the surface and they just they yearn for that life, and then all of the younger guys. No, no that that was a real possibility because they they've sat around and hurt those stories from all the dinosaurs, so I missed it. Yes? They made it all the fun. Yeah, so they would, so they have this yearning in this this such deeply held desire that if only be with that guy, if only hides were here like we couldn't do that, he seems to do it. Let's do it. And but but to get back to the longer conversation, so so so one of the things that so it's so. It gives you such. It's such a great feeling is to have that kind of elaborate trust where you where you can rely on somebody so I knew that you getting into a direct deplace. You guys would have been like. Your. And we did have those conversations really note during the turn left? You're turning right. Turn laps and I was like. I disagreed, but I was like turn left. Turn left like we. We know because because it wasn't about like Oh. You know I I'm right. You're wrong. Say Hell that. Let's continue to try to have this long conversation about. How do we tell tell the story and you don't know because we proved it. You didn't know and then all of a sudden. You're just change it. Change it and you changed it, and it was so interesting, and continues to be so valuable to the holy gotta open to that you have you in our job at an actor's jobs to you. You have to be open to. Seeing what it is and finding it over and over I mean David. I always say we found the fourth episode, and then then once you understand the tone, you just Ha- then it's like okay. Everything that serves this tone is in anything. That's outside of the bounds of this tone before we do that. We have to really understand what that's GONNA do to the overall. Of the of the peace and you know we cut a segment out of this episode, because a serving as a mid season finale, it totally was just out of where we needed it. Even though it was really entertaining, and those are hard things for us to do because everyone's worked. Hard actors have worked hard, but are and we loved, and we wrote this shit. US and Emily wrote it. But. We're going to cut it if it doesn't serve the thing. Where the thing is going, we're going to just leave it on the floor half. That's the discipline in a way you know. And I don't actors get used to that because you'll do if you do three different versions of something to those versions or just they're gone forever. Sure. And that's part of you know that that aspect is part of the fun when you when you lose something that is, that is you know whole cloth that that's disappointing because it's and there's been plenty of that I lost where I'm just like Shit. Really love and really wanted it when I read it. Because you know the promise of it, you guys give us the promise, and then if we don't fulfill the promise of the promise just doesn't fit your like. You. Wish you wish that? I, mean you know it's always at our fights? Always my Dave's fall, two hundred percents. Nobody else his arm to do. It has to do with choices, and it has to do with what you what you see what you want, and and that also is part of what the globe that's. That's part of the agreement, and it's a good agreement and it, but it definitely comes with loss. which is that was again? It is part of the game. No those feelings I mean I. Yes. Sometimes. There's no other party to it. You just have to do it. Your Sabi David. I've just been in that situation so many times we've ridden edited shot a thing and then have to be like. Oh, I got to cut that whole five minutes. I mean once we had to cut the owner of Raoult's Adam. which was just a terrible thing to have to do? For all sorts of reasons. Having nothing to do with his. Performance and just meant we couldn't go to Raoult's for a long time. But he. He's a fine actor did great. He was amazing. How rest in peace he was wonderful man put it on the wrong place, and it was stopping the movie from flowing. We had to do it. We had no choice. Yeah, we had no choice. Kosti, how has wags? Either Change, your life and also. Has it up people's minds to you doing different kinds of roles. I think it'll be really to see when the show's over. If if if that isn't true, most people most most. Casting. people anybody who's making that decision, are usually chasing the last thing that you did which is never very interesting so. You know. It will be very interesting to see. Whether that is true or not, there hasn't been a lot of. There hasn't been any any sort of like wags pretenders that have come down like since this is true and and and what about the general sort of how this experience has changed your your life if it has I, mean yeah. It's changed the I never. I, I don't think I've ever. Ah certainly never had the security in terms of performance to know that. You. Can you coming back to roll to a world really having a long? To really creating a certain intelligent. You do in theater all the time that you create a family. Atmosphere you you live in a world where you know people you. You start with their kids, and but here because we've been doing it for so long, it's an incredible gift to be able to. Feel as comfortable as you do. Walking into this room of people, crew and people that you really care about really know That's rare. It's been rare in my life. I've never I've never really had so. This is an it's. Your gunfire you walk in, you feel like it's the first day of school. You feel like a jerk. Nobody really talks to you long launch. Just you're like this is awful like a every do every job. Gavin, just feel like a jackass walking in. Even like the fund went to, but here it's you know you walk in, and you know everybody you know the. Your. People drive you the people who make your breakfast. People who are helping you with your customs, your hair makeup. It's incredible well. Yeah, you know when you came to direct, you could feel the crew and the cast pulling for you to do well and doing everything they could to support it, which is a testament to the way you conduct yourself as an actor, you don't go around barking at them or taking out whatever mood you're in on them, I mean. Came back to you in a great way, but that also starts with you guys. You know I've said this before. I've said this to you privately out. Say of late as public. This is, but you guys have spent a lot of time a lot of energy because as you know. The head of human resources for small. Company Just making sure that you don't have any aides. When you get one, you just let them bill. You're just like there's no room for it because there's no root for especially because you guys have so many other things to do, and you know how destructive and diminishing that can be for a whole group of people who are working so hard to make what you have written. There can be no room and we just don't have it. There just aren't bad eggs, so people treat each other with respect and care, and that you demand that just because you choose those people and those people keep coming back because they want to be in that atmosphere, and there's no. I mean there's no room for it just. Is definitely no room when you're doing a really high stakes pressurized difficult job crew has. And then cost you. We have to thank you for bringing Rick Hoffman. Aboard are on that yeah. Well, you know a great. Direct Tori Lee helping cast the role I mean. We had the idea you as the relationship, you were able to make the contact and was granted. We had the idea to bring. Rick Hoffman on the show, Dave but not for this role in it was Kosti who said to us what recap and then the second he said it I was like Oh my God Diana. Have that dude on the show that's brilliant Kosti. And then you wrote him a letter and we all wrote him letters. I mean. And and boy did he deliver I? mean he just. He had strong, isn't it? So. Is just I mean girl I mean baby. I mean that is. No that is just phenom-. Even one word and I think he added. I know try and we're just like more and I. told him that I told him that. When he came before he came, I was like dude. You gotTA. Know it word perfect. Don't change. Ship can't do it no space nothing. And he was like really Yup. Really, and he was like okay, and he's still came, and he was still just like fuck that doing a. Stay. He's really good at it. Kosti he's. NOBODY GETS TO SHUT everybody down here every year I tried one word, and it's not what you it's just not. It's not really what you do. It's not true in the beginning I tried out all sentences. And then I narrowed it down last season. One word couldn't get it in one word and advert get, but what's that word? That word baby dollar baby girl I? Wanted to do that shit I would have happily. What more no, no, don't you is there more. Is there more? There's always more. More lease, please read. Would so so for four years. It was only Dan soder was the only person who's was ever allowed to do that. Eva Eva Eva. Because Abe is a great writer David has a line. And then and then Rick Hoffman you should. Recounts on your account because you. That's on your account. Great Point Great Dave Absolute Fair enough. Let means staying or as written. David Costal Dude, what a joy for what a fuck enjoy! It is to get to work with you. the way that we do in a be your friend for such a long time and the way I. Feel that you you just make everybody you made everyb-, you make everybody onset happier and feel understood and listen to hurt and all that stuff, and and your huge asset for us, so thank you. Thank you all right. Man Thanks for coming into this see onset for episode eight. Soon right everybody thanks for listening to behind the billions. We are We're going to go down after this episode behind the billions will We hope that behind the billions will return when billions returns if all things work out in the world, thanks for listening along with us for these seven episodes. I'll tell you. We have written episodes eight to twelve, and they really kick ass Levin this. This has been fun doing this with you and the reaction to. It's been great. It's been a delight. Thank you guys for coming along and listening. Appreciate it hope we're back. If you WanNa, find me if you WanNa find me on a podcast, fine the moment with Brian Koppelman, both these fine gentlemen have been on that podcast, and we will be back someday on the ringer as well. Thanks everybody.

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6. This Episode Is Not Titled "Dilly Dilly"

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6. This Episode Is Not Titled "Dilly Dilly"

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I don't understand. That's like a like a rich preppy. Look, it's some sort of naval station. I don't really know what it is a naval ethic. Tation? Oh, wow. I mean from from the navy not the belly button. Tation from his belly button mummy. He's just floating away in them. Welcome to the show everyone. This is the show where we talk about stuff. Do you just you just saw it? It's tight tight. Eight dated someone without a belly button. Why why was it Patricia Heaton? Why did she not have one or he? Thank you. Because of some sort of way that she was born. It was interesting. That she was poured cloud umbilical cord is the sex. Don't know you have to have no Bill core. It was it was through some other. It was not in that part of her body or something. It was interesting. You need to have more info. While ago. I don't recall the Dietz. Weird. It was. I mean, it was there was nothing. What what's weird IRS? The fact that we all have something there, isn't it like we all have some. But we all do. No, no. But you know, what? But you know, what her new if you ever did was it shocking. Or was it more? Like, you're just like, okay. It would. I mean, it definitely was. It was interesting. It was definitely one of those things where I'm like, oh, this is your brain doesn't register it the right way of like, oh, there's there should be something there. But it it certainly is you know, I would just have a hole somewhere else that you saw. Is that what you're asking belly button? But it was on her. But like where I'm just saying. Is there a place where like you would you would put the bicycle pump into pumper up every night? On guys. Talking doll doll. What if I was in a relationship with a sex doll? I there are people. There are people like large or the real girl. There you have you watched like those shows where it's like my strange sex, addiction, or whatever I saw one about someone who eight drywall. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. My stains addiction that one or the woman who's like eight couch and she eats like the couch. Out that she'd eat and like many cushions up till that point like she would just swallow because she would just like grab this stuffing. She dreamy of eating a marshmallow. Yes. See we grab the like the Ripa bull stuffing cotton. But like when it's like kind of. Are you saying the cotton the fabric? Yeah. That the lady way drywall that was she would just sit on the couch, and she would like reach into a hole that she had like dug into her wall. And then she would just thing, isn't it? And it's when you have Hika. Oh, Mel I've only read it. I think it's pica. Okay. It's when you have a desire for something like that or something which has a lot of irons, you're actually trying to fulfill a need that your body has women happens to pregnant with me and babies kids, but they'll eat dirt. But it's interesting my my nephew who's a baby eats eats dirt and Sand Lake at the only got so much like you go to the bitch. And he's just like eating the sand. As a does he needs something. He's not getting what is the because that made me think about that cigarette butts. Yeah. He loves he loves the containing. I love when a baby eats dirt. They like grab a hell of a potted plant or something. And then they have that look on their face. Doing it. Like, this isn't what he. He likes. Hey, we all know that one. This is usually the show where pollen I know references that Lauren does not know in vice versa. It's true. So I'm glad that we all found common ground on this. I know can you think of a reference that we definitely don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Actually, I was going to mention the last episode. I was like let's go nowhere. All I'm talking about blaming will. Do you know the show Weiner Ville that was on Nickelodeon in the early nineties, and it was a, but I thought you might know it because it was a I'm assuming a comedian who did this show like a man, and he would be the it would be his head. When you were describing the puppet that your dad made me think of this. Okay. It was it would be his head and then like a little body like he'd be a puppet of himself, Nick. Whoa. I don't know the name of the name was Mark Weiner. Okay. Okay. I know a comedian is, but I didn't know about the thing he had a kid show. He used to do this on standup stages. He used to have a little. Well, he would he would. I still remember this like a little table. And then you would put because I think he did this as a street performer to right? He would have like a little sort of black box on the stage where he would make his fist into a puppet on a puppet head on a body and do little stuff and an interesting thing about him was he was an orthodox Jew, and he could not do Saturday night shows. So it was always like that's where the money is when he would come to town. We would get more work because he couldn't do this. Got to do like if you were working if you were the MC you got to then be the featuring big like people. Yes. So this is a big deal. You got the show, but you didn't know about it back, then wouldn't watch that. Exactly. But then if you're if you're a comedian, and you had any any sort of appearance on TV. It would be a big deal when you came. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. These comedy on the road. Yeah. Interesting. That's cool. Okay. Well, I'll tell you think of another one. Like, a you know, what I heard the other day was I guess dilly, dilly is thing. I don't know. What that is. I just saw something about that. I don't know. I said that the other day and. My friend was like, yeah. Dilly, dilly, dilly, do winger post a picture. What is it from a Bud Light commercial? That's what it's from. That's but on everyone says it furious. I. Where's the beef? Visit ironic everyone loves soon, I don't know. I don't know what it means on the commercial means the best kind of person or thing you rescue me when I was blackout drunk, dilly. Daly. So it was. Allen. Thing before this like no can't be from hot on to that extent. Now, I want you to give a reference I'm on, but not superhero come actually excited went into that. Anyway. Okay. Okay. Um from a something from like a commercial, maybe from our childhood guy. Do you remember that? That's so ancient secret was commercial. Do you know that ancient Chinese secret? I think so the Calgon commercial cow goat. I take may away many things, but is Calvin still around. Yeah. Yeah. They are I feel but Calgon Calgon was does it detergent. It was a dish, soap, and I guess it was some sort of bath. Thank you spray. It was also. Well, there's there was a commercial this rent for a million years. Yeah. Where this woman goes into pick up her dry cleaning, and she says to the Asian man behind the counter. How do you get this stuff? Sir stuff is so amazing. How how did you? How do you do it? And he says ancient Chinese secret. And then she sees. No. He doesn't see. Oh, we cut to the back of the dry cleaning from the Simpson. There's the white. There's the wife who says to the camera. My husband some hotshot. All right. Here's his ancient Chinese secret Calgon, and then we talk about Calgon. And then the woman white woman is about to leave the store and pay wife, the the Asian wife appears from the back and says in earshot of this round die. We need more Calgon. And then the white woman turns around and says ancient Chinese secret. I love it. And we saw it so many times that I cannot hear certain things thinking ancient Chinese for. Sure. Yeah. Hi, guys. What's high guy for high guy was I can't remember what the product was high. It was like an alka seltzer or do iota or something. But there was a guy would open his medicine cabinet. And there was another guy on the other side. It was like they shared medicine. That's one of those apartments. Hi, dan. Yeah. Play it. Yeah. Sure. Side note, I just watch jeopardy yesterday and Alex Rebecca never heard of Bob Ross Canadian. How what a dumb douche. So it's how you do. There was a series. Okay. Sure. Just like the Mr. microphone. Right guard there it is. Wow. Well, that's dilly, dilly. I guess is exactly the same thing where they have said that they've said it so much. And now everyone says it football players say it's like. Mad may to doing you wish because commercial is stupid. Isn't there part of you? That wish is you could write commercial job. I feel I think that'd be miserable would be I just feel like I could do it so much better. But I think we're at this point. Now, we're thinks that I could. This point where they just show you the most random thing just get your attention. It has nothing to do with anything. I haven't watched a commercial in years, I feel like because of streaming DVR. So I when stuff like this happens. I don't even know about I don't even know that commercial though that I don't think I've watched like a live event. Here's what it is. It's a bunch of people in it looks like a how much is it fun? What are we talking to? No. It's like it's like a medieval clank is like two hundred and fifty problems, right? Sure. It's like a medieval court, but everyone is twenty five years old. And so there's a king and Queen at this banquet this long, and there they are they're so. I want to break. Okay. Cody. Oh, my not broken. Actually, I want to image a nut when I feel like I told you this story. But there was a kid. I grew up with who had escaped injury and lost trust tickle Ono. His technical. One one. That's what I called Hitler. And was. So what do we know that didn't slide down his late? I don't know what happened with. Nice Twitter kit, and we got. Think about what she said I'm imagining his ball sack sliced open and just one km one blown that just almost like an egg just you know, like suing down, and then he got a noodle. That's what you get your dog's balls cut off some fake balls. Different what? Yes. And they're called noodle. Literally. I don't understand all over it like within. Yeah. Why one hour wait? But do they really want them? I don't know. Why? That's honestly, don't know. Why like the balls are not the thing that I'm like the proudest of? We got rid of. Hi. All line. Never got to get out of nowhere to most. Like, if I happen to be neutered, or whatever, you know, or chemically, castrated, whatever God willing. But if they were just like, hey balls anymore. I wouldn't be like to get them fake ones down there. I gotta say I feel like it would be weird. Pry do you think they're more trouble than they're worth? But I miss him. If they were gone, do you think most like the woman, I dated without the bellybutton? She should have drawn like a little like spy valley. Yes. Every pretended. Wait. You don't want to be with a multi. Let's ninety fiance. No, that's the best show on TV. But the one guy who is who had of a second me fifteen years before he was with this woman. Who was he kept saying, well, you know, have been fixed. I was finished. Bob barker. Now what the fuck where we talking about? We're going to tell it medieval tiny this commercial. Yeah. So people are bringing their they're apparently, they're Dave journeyed from other land bring gifts they're bringing gifts to the king and Queen. And so I brought that somebody brings after each gift is presented the king and Queen say, dilly, dilly. And then everyone in the court says. So annoying. I like it now. Probably. What I say don't do. It. Don't you? I like it dilly bar from Dairy Queen never had one Paul finish the story daily doing there. It's so small commercial. Story. What if you write down, and you only told me? Good night starring role. Medieval fuck -able team. Okay. So this Brown. How's frauds on a brand? So someone brings about away they all say, that's dilly, dilly. Well, he doesn't bring enough for everybody or something like that. And so he's beheaded or some shit. But what's weird about the commercial? Is you feel like in the commercial? This is a reference to something else. Right. And I don't I read an article about it, and they just made up for that. They do admit that there is like maybe a song in the like thirty years ago called dilly, dilly or something, but it was just made up for that. I bet. I bet who made that up is like so he's just a pussy hard. I bet he's got all his balls. I bet he liked me talking about Popeye goes up to someone who Bargo so you ever see daily daily. I wrote that. Probably what that are you. Okay. That makes sense learning you watching the bachelor. Yes, I I think about that. With like people in there having these first conversations with people. Yes. Conversation with someone. I think about Lauren watching the same. I watched it last night. I don't know what I'm saying about it. But I feel bad that they had they had these awkward moments on film. Yeah. I guess so, but they also don't ever seem to have normal. I wish someone would have a normal person conversation. What's so insane? Like everyone's like, they wouldn't be on the show. Meeting kind. They're like I watched you on your season five years ago. I think we have a lot in common. My dad died. And then they're making out, and it's like, really nasty. I don't know the first episode you ever would you ever make someone on TV? I I can't imagine. What scenario that would have news. Oh the. Dallas Raines and tonight, we have learned Lackey's making out with me point flat hand. Yeah. I'd be into that. Tannen. Can you imagine? I remember I remember itself. Tanner would rub off all my favorite. I don't know. What's made our someone on Halloween? Maybe I talked about this was wearing makeup and it rubbed off hundred face. Yeah. But remember, I remember on big brother one of the first couple's ever have sex on that show. And then I saw her in person who had sex. The letters there's harlot on the bachelor it's a little different because you don't see anything besides like making out usually. But unlike real world, they would you people in bed like in the fuzzy black and white. Yeah. You'd see there. But show that so crazy. David come on baby too. Nice. I watched the first season of the real world. And then I didn't watch it again until that sees exactly the same. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's formula was like, so they first different. But then it turned a corner. Now, it's just like now, it's. But like seasons three four five six seven eight. Dilly, dilly, dilly deal that I feel weird when I realized how much older I am than everyone on the show that happened to me. I remember I was watching the real world. I was really into it. And they said, hey, do you want to apply for the real world? I had no interest in it, by the way, let that be said. Are you between the ages of eighteen and twenty five and I was twenty six and I was like I'm too old yet. And everyone on the bachelor there's a lot of people whether like twenty two well, that's the thing. I was watching. I was watching the other day. And and you know, part of the day just walking down the street just the other day. But I, you know, some sometimes when you watch that show. It's like, okay. How would I act in this situation? And obviously, I'm married. I'm never going to be in that situation. But you you sorta like, okay if I were in this situation, but then seeing everyone be twenty two twenty three or whatever I'm like, what if there was bachelor, but for old people or people. Actually have been saying this for years the bachelor should be every season to be a brand new person. Who's never been on the show before there's no preconceived notions about what they're like or what they're into or what they did with the last person. And then it should be all people who are of aid toward they might actually really wanna get here. Yeah. Yeah. Because all the the twenty two year olds just looking to be on TV. It's so crazy c unlike the first season, the couple's still together, and they have kids and stuff like that has happened since then, but they've been together for like fish. Ryan and trista. To season two. Sorry one. The season one was this guy. And he was like they were they made him seem so cold. But I remember this. I remember this vividly. They were on a horse and carriage in New York City and the person had a whip for the for the horse now. And he he said he made a they might be giants song reference where he was like minimum wage he. Awesome. And I was like this guy's in just a door. Yes. Because he's a normal guy. But they were making him out to be this like super honky. What was on the bachelor that I didn't like the other night was when when the guys like I'm actually a nerve. And and then and then the woman goes to and it's like neither have you. Suck different suck. Dick. You suck. My actually, I'm really totally at nerve. What do you mean? Eight that pay I leave through a book once. Yeah. I'm actually really look actually really let comics it's not even that they don't even like. Track. They're trying to say like, I don't even like going out to bars all every night. I sometimes just like to sit around at home. I love staying home and you're like fucking scorer phobic nerd about. It. 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No, it was a TV. Is it a car? Too. Good name for a car. It's not bad really named cars after the they seem to name them after animals or nonsense. Like Acura, or whatever, you know, what in Japan? I I noticed that. I'm sorry. Japan. I'm very obsessive Japan. But one thing I loved was that the car is a lot of cars had names like Carol the design we like Errol, it was like I would take picture because there was like they're crazy. It'd be like the Jane or like, it would just be someone's name Volkswagen made a car called the thing. I remember the area bringing that in the seventies. It was a cool looking. It was just sort of shorten station wagon kind of and it was it was like, a moosh Nick station wagon. It was like too much nuts. You think? Okay. Do you think you could drive like you would? Yes. Hold on horse. I passed. You drive an SUV. I have driven an SUV. As rental cars. But I don't think I would want to do it being sort of taller than the car that's taller, and I really liked that I've been thinking about getting a bigger car bigger. Bigger bigger than tall, really tall. Everywhere. Do you hate like car unnecessarily, huge like a Hummer if you were to pull up to of LA here in LA in a Mack truck park it for you know, with a trailer. But just the. Yes. Like like over the top style. I could see it would they would they say we're not going to work at thing. They would say we're not gonna gonna say. Licensed to kill. This is to kill by. It was coming my mother. What if you could buy a license to kill your mother wouldn't do it? How I bought a license to kill my mother guys my mom's dead. Yeah. Good. I'm glad to know. Parents or yourself to be. Left. No parents no service. Do you consider your took my shirt? Do you consider yourself to be an orphan? Or is that something where you can only be an orphan till you're eighteen. Oh, yeah. Orphan means you're not an orphan as an adult joke tonight. Like when when adults say, I'm an orphan. Sincerely, who says people say that all the time. Well, parents are. Yes. But are they talking about it of like they were in orphan since they can't win. Like their other parent dies then. And then they're like she'd be like something when you're when you're eighteen you can buy cigarettes. You can read a playboy. But you have to stop saying, you're lady bird. I just don't like that. But I mean, also, do whatever you want. I take it back. You know, if anyone is out there, and they're like, that's how I cope. I've never felt that you were judgmental person till right now. That's so nice. Let me. We'll talk to you about this. Okay. I watched the movie call me by your name. I wanna see that. Name and in the. Long hair? In the movie. There's you know, it's about a love affair, and it's very. There's a w sexy, and it's it's a really it's a really lovely beautiful movie. And well acted the the love affairs between a seventeen year old boy and a twenty four year old young, man. Yeah. And I didn't realize that before I started watching that they were there was an age difference. And it was really difficult because Armie hammer plays the twenty four year old and he's older than twenty and he's older than twenty four. But he's also thirties. He's thirty one. Okay. But he's also he's gigantic. He's like a big person and cut out a marble. Yeah. He's like a code of a slam them older than him. Zona feel Hemmer's younger than you. But I I remember I remember I had that about playboy playmates once. I remember like in my twenties. They were all they were like, well, you know, like. Like when I was in when I was in junior high or high school, and it was like a playwright, they're all like these. They're like as old as your mother, and then then very similar to real world. In my twenty s I was like these are all eight. When you're young age is like everything's the same. Like, someone is twenty two is the same as someone who's thirty five to interrupt Paul. But he, but here's the thing while I was watching this because I'm so far away from both of those ages. I was like, wow. This is we like is that I was trying to remember is this. Okay, right. Not mean has dealt weird at that time because I'm looking at it from this from the point of view of like, oh that twenty four year old is taking advantage of that seventeen year old. Yeah. I and so I totally forgot when I was seventeen I had a twenty four year old girlfriend. Why I completely forgot this weird lead up to a BRAC? Well, no because looking at it from this. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of like, oh, no he shouldn't be doing this with the kid. Right. And I completely forgot. I never never. I never looked at it from the standpoint of the younger person. Right. No. Yes. I understand that. Because when I was forty two I had a seventeen year old girlfriend, and I felt like. You know, this actually happened on terrace house. They're all terrorists. Yes. Okay. I don't wanna watch. It was a conversation about someone dating a girl who's eleven years younger than him. And the girl keeps question yet. She's like seventeen eighteen and everyone else has gone like it's fine. As long as you think it's fine or whatever. And I was thinking about credo that I like to live by. As long as I think it's fucking. I was thinking about myself at that time though. And it was like to know what I know now versus what I know knew then and like the I I had a couple sort of pseudo relationships relationships with older than me. But it's like, I don't I look at that now, and I'm like that's weird of them. That's exactly think plan. Hang out with you. Now think yours is weird. I guess I don't because I can't I can't separate my experience. Which was that? Even though I was like a, you know, very immature. I was I was mature in certain ways where I never thought of her as being immature like down on my level. Of course, I thought of myself as a where she works, you know, and it was when we were together free year, you know, we like moved in together and everything. Were you in? We're in school. I was in the process of dropping out of school. And I know must have been after I dropped out of this process. Drop out. I dropped out after a semester of college. Yeah. I just wait. You were in college at seventeen is that? Yeah. Because I was my birthday September. So I graduated at seventeen and then I guess going into eighteen I was okay. So you're almost eighteen and I I had gotten a job on south street in Philadelphia downtown, and I was walking on the street. Just yesterday the day with a with a friend of mine who was similarly dropping out of college street date. And I saw this. Lack? Wonderful place of having forgotten that that existed. I'll never forget it. So this this girl was walking towards us. And then I was struck by her. She's very busy. Ooh. You're struck by a. With a pan me with the pants your ridiculous, Lauren. You guessed. So she walked into the store, and I said to my friend. Let's go into that store. And so I I I've never I don't think I've done this before repaying. It's working. I just started talking to her and she was really funny. And and so I think I don't remember I so I went to my job. And then I think I would what was your job at the time. I was wearing hats in the belfry. Right. You're very famous standup. Exactly go check out your album laboring under delusion. I have heard about this. You've heard about. Yes. By watching your stuff king. The famous king hat famous king happy. That's right. And so I would I would stop it in the store, and then she would stop at my store. And then we went on a date. But it was like, I never I never I think it's the when did you all the time? Did did she ever think you were older? And did you have to say, oh, by the way, I'm only seventeen almost eighteen why? Eighteen we must have with you. Today you, but I don't care if two four. Okay. Can I talk to you for a second? This song love the melody you like it love it. Okay. I like the general idea of where wait until you. Hear the next book receives sorry. I'm late. Foodie and let me slapped. Okay. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea. I've enjoyed personal go to do this. Goodbye. Dilly, dilly. So wait, so. The competition. But I don't remember it. It was obviously an issue because he kept dating. Yeah. Interesting. Do you think that she just like your personality or she she had a thing for the young ins or was it just mustache? No. I did not interesting. I did not. Was it a period of time in your stand up career without a moustache? Oh, that's very true. Yes. So so true. I don't think I've ever dated anyone with a mustache with a moustache. So I don't know no one with a wide gap. I accept. With perfect gaps except for cool. Oh, how what's your different? You really made up for it there because real may December. Just what is it? Fifteen hundred. Yeah. I like went on some dates with someone who was Pete whole nine or ten years older than me. But yeah, it was Pete Holmes. Gimme we'll. Was there a teacher that had an affair at your school students? You'll be talking about. You'll be talking about the person who is in the play. Wait. But there was another. I forgot there was another English language teacher. Who like oh my God. There was another one. There were there were three to the teachers look alike, by the way, they looked. Was were they were friends, and they were like this guy style. And so they looked like or what it was. That's what it was. Great. Or do you just mean physically like they like genetically they physically they were both shortish guys with the same haircut and mustache and there were both. They were both a talent. So Sarah, Tori, Lee as well as genetic. Well, all the teachers can address exactly the same because he was a Calix. They all wore like, you know, dress shirts and ties and slept. Right. We're right. Yeah. Our school you could wear whatever. What about the teachers? What would that you guys? That's why I mean, the teachers like I remember our English teacher came wearing a bikini ones, which was big tall. That didn't see the big talk. We really. Yeah. She was teacher. I've talked about this. Wait what show? That's fucking weird. Yeah. Mary Kay something. We didn't. I then tell the story probably I'm assuming of my hot gym teacher who go tell us. She was young. I know I knew her she was probably like twenty four maybe younger so could've dated one of us. Really? But then like she would be very flirtatious. And then one of the guys in my class slapped her on this one day, and then he got in big trouble. But it was like this huge turning point of like it can't go that far. Right flirt. But then she would flirt I was enough that he thought it was okay to do that. I mean, actually think was like it was happening. Like, we all witnessed it happening. And then she also I learned a very big lesson from her which is always wear a seatbelt and cabs because she was an account, and it was a sudden stop and her face went into the into the plastic and she busted. Yes. Forever. Hold black, and she was really pretty in her Wolfe's Cup. I mean, I'm sure it healed fine. But it was crazy. Yeah. Cab or car backseat. I think of that. And I'm like going to be that person. Who's like too late? Did you? Did you ever have the driving around in a pickup truck in the back of a pickup? No, we didn't. We would do that. In church groups, sometimes down the freeway here in California. I remember it was a big thing where you'd be like, oh, can I sit in the one and do that? Now. So I can't even so scary you'd feel so moored. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what happened in one of those teachers have an affair? One of the teachers had an affair. And I think he got fired. Fired one. But. Hey, the they they brought me down to this high school. Just so I could save Philadelphia hired me. Who does a better Trump? You're here. Here's Donald Trump. Trump helped me I'm. Doesn't going through a door. Any do like a like a giant door garage fucking picture of him from New Year's Eve in the tuxedo? Where he's just like he looks like a wail mouth open and this guy really funny guy on Twitter. Patrick monahan. Just. Poses a picture of the road. It is so perfect. So sad like about all the politics. I just didn't like at a point where I'm I wanted to stop. It's it's hugely demoralizing like I was I was starting out this the other day him Donald Trump saying I'm I'm going to give out my awards for. No, or you do an idiot. It's just so sad. Anyway, I like him. I think he's funny. Okay. Good. We need someone speaking. I think he's looking to Larry Larry you guys. He bothers you. So give me wrong. I love him. You guys can't stop talking about. Because he's doing something, right? So wait. So but another of the teacher he ran off with the student. It was a girl that I went to this rates school was what I was gonna say about you and the twenty four year old there seems to be such a wide swath of maturity, but that movie it didn't bother me. Call me by your name because I don't think movies have a responsibility to do the morally right thing. I think it's like this. This is the Bill that happens. It's a story. No. I never felt like the movie was at fault abras more like I know how to judge their release. Yes. It was thing. Well, because it was always this part of it. You know, what I mean is is the age difference significant? And is it part of the story in new way? It is you know, it's like, but it's it's more about you know, this kid's. Experience. And this this wonderful thing that happens. It's like that's romantic, and it's sad. And it's frustrating. And it's you know, it's every. Glide. But but but I guess what? I mean is that there's such I've never quite understood that about the lake teachers falling in love with students because or at least until you get to college. Because it doesn't seem like if you're under eighteen well, it's also what's so crazy about it is it's the one thing you absolutely are not supporting. This your one job you have to one job. Teach them. I think about that sometimes relationships not just. Who cares? If you just don't. But I think about relationships I had in high school or whatever, you know, like. When I was seventeen I was dating a sixteen year old. And it's like, it's you. In now days, I go is that weird though. Like, I think, but when you're a kid like in you're just it's whoever is sort of at the same level as you think it's not like if I were to see a if I would have sought thirty year old. I'd be like you're too old for well. It's complicated. Anything because when you see somebody in a relationship like that in the act like that's fine. Whatever it's weird because for me now, I think that's a child like I'm thirty two ground a high school. I'm like, you're a little kid that was my thing somebody being into that like dating you on a peer level is confusing to me another because I'm older than that. Even and I need to know, I'm thirty five years old guy. Twenty nine. Dilly, dilly, dilly. Whatever you want. The Jack Benny lying about your age. When I look at somebody who's twenty four. I I see that as so young. Yeah. So it's it was weird like to experience this movie where all of us, but it's so much of it. I think was about the casting because it looks like such a he looks like a middle aged man, great looking mail. He said he was older. He was older than me like for less ten years. I'm surprised that way. No way. I said next time on a plane across him. He's very good. Look these breath-taking did you join the mile high close. I did. I messed rated in the bed. I probably would do across from. Do you think is going to shoot the lone ranger career going out, New Mexico? Was he wearing the mask? Wait was it back then? Yeah, we're only going to New Mexico where the mask, yes. On his house. Daily daily. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. You is transforming into something escape. Who've is coming to how culet precious ears with spooky spooky spoon. Let's see how how to sew service at hound hound. It's haunt once. Yeah. It is hunt. Yeah. Okay. This week you is transforming into something. You is coming to hound your precious used was split up here. Wolf folk. Let's let's. This week in you is transforming into soap things. Is coming to your precious us at how is it? Chad have said that. Are you? Sure, I'm re-. I'm would one hundred percent sure. What are you do the first part? Okay. I'll do the noises. All right. Oh, okay. That's the first part. Okay. No. I mean, you do the you'll okay, go ahead. Uh-huh. All right. Viz rents forming into something scary. Move is coming to hound you appreciate. Ooh. Key episodes and head raising specialty on old you'll say shows Pollock anti. Mynah bird. You don't think you're scary? Guess imitate human speech? Now that is. I mean, if you would never heard of one before food polls. Those AB Nicholson breakdown one of the most influ Nicholson. On unschooled policier, naming Nicholson breakdown one of the most influential horror films of all times psycho psycho here an interview with hall, rower master and director of fright night. Tom hall, and he's not savage on Gilbert Godfrey. It's amazing colossal. 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However, I want and we'll just talk about the question. Okay. You are offered a brain pill. If you swallow this pill, you'll become ten percent more intelligent than you. Currently are you'll be more adept at reading comprehension logic and critical thinking, however to all other people, you know, and to all future people, you meet you will seem twenty percent less. Intelligent, in other words, he will immediately become smarter. But the rest of the world will perceive you as dumber. And there is no way you can ever alter the universality of that. Perception do you take this pill? I think people think I'm dumb already. I don't think. Iran, ran it. Yeah. Think you're done. I don't I seriously feel like people mispronouncing were like, look, you know, what I do think about this. Sometimes I remember, George W Bush, you know, how he would have a lot of sort of brain farts on TV things wrong, or whatever. And I I was making fun of that once in my dad said don't coddle him. No, you said. He said will you try talking that much and you'll have those kind of things to and then I was like, okay, whatever. But then being having podcasts. It's like, I'm constantly saying stupid shit. Yes. So I have come to sort of empathize with that. But that's also a hold on a second dumb. Bring this soci- your brain. But it's all, but that's there's a difference between that kind of talking and bullshitting on a podcast. You know what I mean? Messing up syntax of words and sentences. But I feel like yeah. And also, I won't remember I've said something incorrectly. And then I'll listen back to show and say I have done that. Oh, wow. I totally got that on my God. Wait, I was doing this. I was recording an ad at home, and I home alone. No, mike. Was there my boyfriend, and I was recording the ad. I was just fast. And I was like, and you can find the link to that in my Instagram bio, and that's okay. Thanks bye. And then he was like it's so funny that it's so cool that you can like do a character voice like fix something when you mess up, and I was like why. And he's like what isn't egg. Serious. He was like, you don't have to redo it made it make sense. And I was like why? And he was like you said Twitter bio, and I said, no, I said Instagram, and he was like no you didn't like then we'll do it back. And I said you can get that in my Twitter bio set that interest. It was Craig up. So w talk about all the time. It was so weird though to here. I thought I said something I was so certain and then just to hear it back. And that's not what I said that was it was not even a word. I was you know, the show Gavin and Stacey yet to watch that. But. To watch that. But I love it. But I I was talking about it somewhere on on microphone, and I kept calling it Ned and Stacey. Which was that? Tom. But I didn't know that. And I said it several times the incorrect way. And and people started talking to me about it, assuming that I knew that I had said the wrong thing. And I didn't I'm like, what is what are these people are saying to me, I had no idea. So weird. I said the other day someone wondered what song was playing and I said, yeah. And it was the song. Can't stop the feeling. And I said, oh, it's can't fight the feeling and she said, yes, that's it. And then all I could think about was I said the wrong title to this stranger. She thinks I'm an idiot now because I said, very confidently its can't fight the feeling and I'm going to remember this day for the rest of my life. You did. So why she I think that she didn't notice she she registered it as the correct thing or higher? She had Harley. No. And then I know that it's the kind of thing that I will obsess about. Yeah. Well, that's weird. I think I might like to take the pill just to. To think about the question because I feel like it'd be so great to be able to use. I don't know it'd be smarter that pill. I feel like. I'm assuming if I take the pill that gives me more intelligence. It will also give him the ability to reason out enough to not be upset that every stupid because it would I feel like it. Frustrating, don't care about my own personal knowledge. I care about what? For me. It's like it's I've realized it would be less because I'm a middle child. It would be less about what people thought about me. But that they wouldn't listen to me. It would be frustrating that I would be perceived as someone whose opinion or input. Did not mad. No, I'm actually smarter than you. You wouldn't be able to use your intelligence to help anyone does. What do I do with that intelligence? If everyone assumes, I'm an idiot. You could you write letters and people would think they're smart like a progress report or like just even a letter like he's good on paper. Yeah. I don't know. Hey, Nana Asli if you could go. This literal, some good ideas that can't read it. But you don't understand maybe you can make two if you sometimes do you ever have that fantasy of like, it'd be good to go back to college or go back to high school or learn more, you know, like what if they made high school? Learn more. Fuck. I thought it was to not be. Social terrified all the time. When I think of it now crush. Just having fun doing well have the opposite. Where it's like all I did was have fun. And I didn't learn a single thing. Like now with having fun. I guess my social life. But I I hated living in the dorm. I got so much about like a lot of that stuff. And so I would enjoy not dormitory. Did I say dormitory? No, we're back to square one. Question. Yeah. Sure. What we gonna say? I just wondered if like they made high school for people like us. Whereas like, we had to go for people our age you had to go and you had to do it for years. It'd be fun. God. No, no, let's and your careers waiting for you when I didn't like being a student. Yeah. I think I'd like it. Okay. Yes. I haven't read it. Think of someone who is your friend. Do not do not let your best friend. Sure that person is someone you would classify as considerably more than an acquaintance. Okay. This friend is going to be attacked by a grizzly bear. Okay. Now, this person will survive. This person will survive this Barrett tack that is guaranteed. There is a one hundred percent chance that your friend will live. However, the extent of his injuries is unknown. He might receive nothing, but a few superficial scratches, but he might also lose a limb or multiple EMS. He might recover completely in twenty four hours with nothing. But a great story or he might spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. Somehow you have the ability to stop this attack from happening. You can magically save your friend from the bear. But his salvation will come in a peculiar price. If you choose to stop the bear will always rain for the rest of your life. Wherever you go. It will be raining sometimes it will pour and sometimes it will drizzle, but it will never not be raining with a friend know that we've saved it won't own them. But it won't ran. Oh, we'll. Oh, we'll. But it won't rain over the totality of the earth. Nor will the hydraulic cycle be disrupted. Okay. These storm clouds will be isolated and they will focus entirely on your specific whereabouts. You will never see the sun. Again. Do you stop the bear? And accept a lifetime of rain. Does the friend know the do because you're stopping the bear? You're stopping the bear. Let's say they do do this magically. So maybe your friend doesn't know. I don't know if they didn't know what you know, you would just let. But if they knew, and I was like guess what it's going to rain forever on me because I did that. And and the had to they had to thank me for it man, you'd love that. No. I didn't know I was thinking about my friend. I was like, oh, I want a bird attacking. I heard a crazy story about a bear attack recently. I wish I remember the details, but I was telling cool up about it about like. Woman attacked by a bear in the home. And it was a crazy story. But I don't remember the details, but it's just that's horrifying. The idea that they could maybe just get away with nothing. You don't know what's going to happen when someone's attacked by? Yeah. I would not want to take that chance. I would I would save the friend me too. I don't really have. I'd like the rain sort of rain. Thanks. But yeah, when I bought I do feel like I. More time for another one. Okay. Let me just scroll through these. The Saturday Night Live music star playing. In letting us know it's at a time. What was that that doesn't play to let you know? What's out time? It plays at the end of the show, but it's not like play like award show where you get played on this and music. Okay. Here we are in the middle of suddenly. I guess we a wrap this up. Good every. Earth is about to be struck by a mammoth meteor book, though, no one knows exactly what will happen. Most. Scientists assume life on earth will be totally altered and potentially eliminated. Everyone on the planet is freaking out. Suddenly you receive a bizarre Email. The government demands that you must fly to Washington DC immediately by order of the president the Email message and the Email message and. Includes your plane ticket. Well, first class, I'm in. Okay. Once you. I don't care. I'm in once you arrive at Dulles airport. Dole is I want to fly into Reagan military, police confiscate your cell phone and wordlessly transport you to a secret hangar that houses ten massive space. Shuttles you are escorted. He's still hanging around inspiring. We're escorted onto one of the ship. How do you spell it? Like clothes hanger like ER? Yeah. Not yours gardens. One of the ship's crew. There are twenty four equally. Confused people waiting on board. You recognize a few of these people instantly. Bill Gates, the musician prince and Oprah Winfrey fringes Barron's when the individuals you've prince's back. I'm in. I don't care what it is not a box of prince spaghetti. When the individuals you don't recognize begin talking and interacting with one another. It becomes clear that all of them are brilliant. Scientists consequential artists or extremely wealthy political figures long. Ships captured informs all of the passengers the space shuttle, we'll be leaving earth in two hours. He does not say where it's going, although he doesn't SIS that anyone who wants to remain on earth is free to stay behind. You are ninety percent certain you've been selected for this trip by mistake. Do remain on ARD. And if you do they expect people to put it. If you do how will you explain your presence to the other twenty four passengers you have no idea if admitting your saying. From travelling. Yeah. You guys have I've seen cable on belong here. Oprah was on the thing. I'd be on the thing. IBM thing. I love her. She's been only celebrity. I really wanna meet I told you. She was in Springsteen on Broadway with us. Right. No. You know, she just was sitting. Oh, that's good. I thought I'd be around like a sweet like a sweet life was acting. Area. But I don't have any of my loved ones who are the women. They're brilliant. Scientists are not interested. Names her male. Celebrities. Let's who are the Oprah Oprah you think of her as a man complement. She's so successful. She praise high praise is there the Queen of the cock blockers. I mean, I guess I'd probably say I am I supposed to be here. I would admit it asking around for sure. It'd be like why am I chosen? I. Yeah. I think that's how you would find out as you would ask someone. Why was I selected for this? And then see if they know. You would do that. And not just go fucking sweet deal. You have the option of just not going. It's time for them. But he no earth. I don't even know that I go into the limo or I'm assuming it's a limo. I don't know if you've ever mentioned a limo. But now there's a nice stretch living today on first class. I don't know that I get into it. If I can't bring, you know. Yeah. Paul over here. If I can't bring cool up. I'm like with the earth is going to. And I'm not gonna leave her what that's exactly it is that if in this scenario, if it's just like, I don't know. It's it's this is presuming university of shit about. You're selling celebrity you're single in your day. Yeah. I guess that must be democrat single posture probably talk to Oprah for a little bit. And then stay behind last second. Yeah. I wanna go, but you're going to die. The wheel zone, but don't you? But there's twenty four other people don't you think the will to live is is. I don't know if like everyone I loved was like we're all going to die. There also is denial where yes, we all know the meteors going to strike, but the human brain kind of goes like, but what if it misses? Yeah. What if it's not then you stay behind? Nobody's going to like Donald Trump president. I would I would say behind with my lovely wife. Yeah. If you could go with your wife, or if she said go, that's what she said. That's something we stadium. Dilly leave. You do. Daily go off with you. Now now, delete delete. Yeah. I would not I would stay if they're in Huck if I don't get a plus one then forget it. Yeah. You gotta get a plus one plus one it'd be so scared to interact. The dead. Prince someone's going on I talked prints for a do you think? Do you think Chris would you be nervous to meet Bill gay? Now. I'd be like, hey, who's a famous person you just wouldn't give a shit about shit about Bill. We're not gonna have these nice to meet you. Pretty cool. Great awesome. We used to be Popeye on the book cool who's appraiser top that? It would not be like, it would not be impressive to me who what a president president because I impressive. I mean, Trump, obviously. But like before that, I don't think I'd really care about most of them because I don't really I honestly, I just don't care that much. I feel like for me that I feel like it would be a big deal for me to meet Jimmy Carter. But of Gerald Ford was still alive. It wouldn't be met Obama. I would like cry that would be he would be an impressive. Yeah. Person to meet. But it's the only one end Clinton and Hillary Clinton, I've you excited to meet them, even like, George Bush, George Bush. I feel like it would be crazy like oh my God. I'm meeting somebody who you think something of that. Yeah. President when I was alive. I would be a feel somewhat intimidated or excited about meeting except for Jordan. Him. Who cares? His dying. Do you think Princeton this situation say he's still alive? That's another qualifier. Do you think prints? There's only twenty four people in we're going off to another planet. Do you think he liked drops the act and hang on a regular guy because someone said that about Michael Jackson where they were saying like, oh, no. When no one is when the cameras aren't around. He's traps. This thing is just like, hey, I'm Michael Howard. What? Gilbert Godfrey why? Michael Jackson said that. But pretty Willie think he do you believe that someone said that or no? So they were just like, hey, what's up? But that's about it. Do you think you really have those kids? I think he jerked off into something. Yeah. I off. Is it a woman's gap? I waited on him once when I worked at tower video what? Hey came in with an entourage of like security entourage. Turtle. Aglow. It wasn't. Alabama's care. Only they invited me. Maybe they meant to invite awkward. Wait. What did they all Kerman? Should we thought we invited them? You're going to get that one. I did get it. When I was a kid, and I would get really upset, and then as an adult, I'm like, they're calling me a superhero. Doesn't even exist. We talking about wait. So you worked at tower video which is like Tower Records kind of. Yes. Video Tower Records, and it was just a video store, and I think it's a Bank now. But it was it was empty for a long time after a closed, which always made me happy. I dated I dated someone who lived by it once data's in quotes. But I remember I went over. I went over to or governor guy. I went over to her apartment and just it was like, hey, let's get together. What are we gonna do? I don't know just come over. And so I went over, and it was like, well, what do you want to do you want to? Let's go rent a video at at tower video. So we walked the, you know, I don't know two blocks to tower video rented little big man is absolutely. Yeah. Is Dustin Hoffman. No, no, big, man. Wait. Yes. Little big man is Dustin Hoffman. Okay. Yes. Rented that took it back to what is it. Big, man. Little man Tate one with foster with the one that that Marlon wayans did. Oh, baby. White chicks. The baby by the way, put a pin in your story. Because I'm sorry. I put a pin in yours. That's all right. I saw a little bit of white chicks. I'd never seen it. And I saw a little bit of it on TV the other day, and I didn't realize that in this in the world of this movie. The wayans brothers are disguised as specific white chicks that when everyone else looks at them, they see these women, what's like Paris Hilton. Yes, there impersonating these two who went into. Yes. In the world of see their POV. We see the actresses playing just note your characters in the movie, you're like, hi, Lisa Tanya, whatever their names are they look so much like flawlessly. These show insane. And then you see them at the end of the women that there impersonating, I didn't realize the. What if you got free? Like, yeah. Okay. You get this part. And you realize you're playing someone who looks like Marlon wayans with a white hound face people look at Marlin in this get up. They see you. Wait. Okay. So what was your story about our sorry? But I want to finish my story. We we go back to Twitter. Twitter. We put the video when we walked back to the we put the video on in sixty seconds. Because he's never fucking. There's no hotter movie. A little big man starting to go. He was so crews minute of that movie pretense of like picking a movie, and we and we both were like, oh, this is interesting. And we were like have you ever seen that literally you actually just hooked up? That is all you do at that point where it's like, let's watch a movie. That's the Netflix thing is right where people. Chill and early put on anything. I was just like why did we have this half hour thing where we were like deciding and I've seen this on the dance of courtship anyway. Okay. Wait. So you sound called Jackson. I saw Michael Jackson. Although now that I think about it. It could have been anyone because he was wearing a surgical mask and the mirrored sunglasses and a hat. It's been any the tendrils of hair, creeping out and. That's an inside joke between the Jewish. Back to you. But he came in with like three or four security people who established kind of a perimeter around him as you browse through laser discs. Break that every single word if you were to break that perimeter you're a customer at the store, you have rights to go wherever you want. I think I think they were letting people in and around, but I think the idea was they were being watchful. They were they were to say something to day would maybe say life. He was trouble Lister, then they would say, and he would say. Yes, I tell you. So so Michael Jackson. What did you do? Then did he stuff and he left? What are you buy? Do you? Remember a bunch of laser discs. Cool. That would that would be a thing that you would see a lot is like wealthy celebrities would come in and just buy like a crate of stuff. Yeah. Well, John in Colin Hanks, Colin Hanks his documentary about tower across all of us. He would go every single Tuesday and just by every single record. That would come out by stacks of like, you would buy multiple copies of them. He said just because he loved going probably like telling them. Yeah. That's one in Melton. John was probably selling them out of his car for like a markup. Yes. Exactly. Gosh, we have to go. But before we go we do have one thing to say it everyone in that is daily. Hey, delete, dilly. Thank you. Bye. 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Canceling with the Stars

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Canceling with the Stars

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Daily good evening. Los Angeles great to be back in Los Angeles. Love it or leave. It is heading out on the road. We will be in San Francisco. That's basically sold out but there's a couple of left. A couple of tickets left and then policy of America we live in San Jose on September twenty sixth and Portland on September twenty seventh and crooked dot com slash events. There were three moments this week that captured for me something essential essential fundamental but the kind of people that work for Donald Trump the trump pokemon if you will his apologist has defenders and each of these three moments captures and evolution of trump POK MON and so I would like to to discuss them with you tonight stage one. You're a clown who debase yourself for the dear leader who temps down and dignity and sense of itself gives over to the task of saying anything no matter how silly let's roll the clip of Lou Dobbs aggregrate weekend. The president makes such a thing possible for Boris all have a great weekend. The president makes such a thing possible for us all all who knew imagine saying it but imagine sitting at home and being like I'm GonNa show trump awesome gratitude this weekend. It's all up to him since can be pretty great figure out what Ad Astra is and then there is the next evolution you're a clown confronted with those lies ideally under under oath and all your bluster and all your little smirks and playing to the people you can't lose isn't enough because you don't respect the people who respect what you're doing so let's roll the clip of Corey Lewandowski don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff sessions or the Department of Justice in any way so did you hear that Sir that was you saying on. MSNBC you don't ever remember the president ever asking you to get involved with Jeff sessions or the Department of Justice us in any way shape or form. That wasn't true sir. I heard that and that was not true. I have no obligation to be honest with the media just because there's just as much as anybody else so you're admitting sir. You're not being truthful in that clip correct my interview with remember. It can be interpreted any way you'd like. Would you like me to play it again. I also appreciate the logic of it. which is that like when you lie on television? You're not lying to television. You know you're lying to people watching the television so doc if you can do anything on television that's as bad as what you perceive what other people do on television. There's incest on game of thrones so I liked that. Corey Lewandowski because obviously there have been a lot of implications of what he said their implications for the media. Maybe don't book or Lindau Ski on your show because he doesn't believe he has to be honest which presumably is one of the goals of talking to him on television. He also confirmed that the mullahs report is accurate basically accurate which means he's confirming that Donald Trump beseeched him to commit obstruction of justice and that even Corey Lewandowski who is very smart knew that it was is such a bad idea that he didn't want logged in the records so that's our second-stage alright desperately trying to cling to some form of self esteem self regard trapped between the tension of continuing to lie to protect your ego and not wanting to lie under oath because because you don't want to go to jail finally we reach the third evolution of the trump pokemon and it is a vulgar and sad important display. I would like to say if you are squeamish. Maybe lower the volume. Do not pause do not shut it off. Get to the ADS doc. Let's roll the Clip Sean Spicer dancing the south sick with his partner Lindsay. It's Sean Spicer. I had not seen it until this moment. I'm so happy. Can you fucking believe what we did to him. You know what it has been the difficult few years but there are heroes everywhere because there is a makeup artist gay costume designer and gays stylist who did their part for the resistance the. I think you achieve get out there. No it works. I know you've you're worried. I know you feel uncomfortable but it's a bold choice and people are gonNA love it no. That's that's the look right now. Shiny the shirt the skin the hair shot. Here's the thing Sean I've been doing this a long time and I'm telling you like. I know you've never done this before. But I'm a professional you're in the hands of professional. Did you see the gift breath of him. The first introduction where he shakes his hands and he's he's coming down the stairs chilling to the fucking. I had the same feeling watching watching him coming down the stairs and doing that. Shimmy as I do when I would catch a moment of that show to catch a Predator explain. Why let me explain why because it was the feeling of watching someone caught doing something terrible that deserves it while at the same time recognising it was bad for my soul to be taking this joy in seeing someone at the lowest and darkest moment of their lives and obviously these are different things? I'm not comparing the thing but I don't even know if that's allowed. Here's the point not everyone who has left the trump. Administration has so thoroughly debase themselves so obviously not everyone has been dressed up like a literal clown for our amusement. Ah We've seen others cling to dignity more successfully but I am very grateful to Sean Spicer for in a way that I've been grateful to him from the very beginning which is he has an inability to hide on the outside. What's happening on his inside. Unlike your Kellyanne Conway's you're Stephen Miller. You're Sarah Huckabee Sanders who managed to have a kind of dead vacant expression who have more thorough elite killed the part of themselves that feels shame so they can just look you in the fucking and say something insane that is opposite of what they said yesterday yesterday and shame on you for questioning. That's an incredible skill killing that part of yourself takes practice shown never was up to it. He's always managed to show on on his face and in the Jack what's going on inside and what's exciting about this is that's what's inside. Every trump official shaw a clown desperately dancing for relevance. Thank you sean it one more time for Sean Spicer. What are you doing. How bad books. How much could they pay. Does anyone know this is an industry town. Does anybody know what they start out when they go. Sean Spicer said yes what is it. No IT SAG rates. Are you fucking fucking kidding me. He's making scale really. It's just for publicity guys. I'm so so glad I asked he's not even making money. Yes what a disaster but that's not all that happened this week. Purdue Pharma Company that had been an oxycontin filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying court settlements yeah terrific. The lawyer said the company he didn't have the money unless anyone here wants to buy like a thousand oxy's right now to say. It's your back. What's fun? He's fine. Whatever didn't even notice I had a whole Congress. I was this close still in there. Yeah obviously somebody's Dan back in your phone I was I've been tongue that I've been talking to you. You've heard me didn't look I literally was this far asking on on your fucking phone what's going on. Are you a doctor. Is there a patient in need. You're telling me that at our weekly podcast where we cover the week's news you had to go into your phone to gather other other news coverage. You were unsure of our on it yet. Well guess what I watched that clip on my way here and we are going to cover it. Sir Show me some respect there was also a ton of pharmacy news this week from elections in Israel tensions with Iran and intelligence whistleblower inside the US government here to help us break it down. He was the the deputy national security adviser for President Obama where he kills us on bin. Laden with his hands seems exaggerated and more and more the CO host of crooked media pond. Save the world. Please welcome Ben Rhodes. I invent good. I'm glad everything I've done in life. Led Me Right here. Roll past that in the in the past here at love it or leave it. We've done a V. Tour de a tour to cover foreign policy but tonight. We're going to take our horse to the old town roads. That's it. That's the noise we we got. We didn't know what we could get away with legally so we're just a little tiny little tastes so first of all do you remember when I came screaming into your office us because I'd successfully removed acknowledgments from speech because there was this fight about how often brock Obama would have to acknowledge local officials because because the thing that would happen is because of political reasons trying to keep everybody happy when the president would go give a speech somewhere. There'd be like five or six people. You'd have to thank so you'd think the mayor thank the city council person you'd think the assembly person the problem was that cable networks would only take about five minutes of the speech so the president would be giving a speech about the economy and then Dan. MSNBC would cover four minutes of acknowledgments in one minute so I'm here today to talk about the economy and then they go back to whoever was anchoring saying we'll come back to the president and so you never ever get the news out so we would always to get rid of the acknowledgments and there was one time where I like. It was really tough fight to keep the acknowledges to a minimum this is what happens in politics and aw I had successfully done it by waiting out the clock because they tried to sneak him in but the president was already on his way to the podium and like ran into the Ben's office was John's office connected by a door and Iran. I was like the fucking acknowledgements and then there was just a room full of very serious foreign policy journalists in there. They always thought I was a little cooler thinking John. Let's start with Iran and Saudi Arabia classic odd couple. Can you explain what has led to this confrontation. That's playing out right now. You can start at about two hundred. Ad If you'd like or or just the past week I'll start with the Iran deal which I labored for eight years so what happens is president trump pulls out of the Iran nuclear agreement at the behest of Saudi Arabia and actually we can start with jared being deputized to be the guy in charge of this relationship with the Saudis Right which as far as title involves jared going over there with no security clearance and no adult supervision and hang out Mohammed bin Salman Yacht where he's buying caravaggio paintings for seven hundred million dollars and making deals about American policy so that's how it starts. I also just think it's inappropriate for someone to be Jewish that tall and have skin that that's good. That's like fuck you you go on so noted. New York Observer Publisher Jared Kushner essentially outsources our entire farm policy the Saudis we pull out of the Iran nuclear agreement we escalate a war in Yemen that we never should have gotten into in the first place causing a huge humanitarian crisis. The Iranians are also also fighting on the other side of that war in Yemen so there is an act of war that has already been taking place in that part of the world after trump pulls out of the Iran nuclear agreement. He starts piling on sanctions on the Iranians means bostering threats. John Bolton is leading us into war with Iran. Donald Trump figures that out when the planes are actually in the air to go bomb Iran and his told old by the Chairman Joint Staff to pull that back but what we've seen since then is that the Iranians are very upset that there are these sanctions that they've been punished even though there are complying with this nuclear deal there in a proxy the Saudis so they're lashing out in different places assaulting tankers in the region they shot down that US drone and presumably either they or their proxy in Yemen or their ally in Yemen group called the WHO these blew up the Saudi oil infrastructure a few days ago well. This exposed the fact that the Saudis are incredibly vulnerable to Iranian aggression. You have the trump people beating their chest in saying this is an act of were you have donald trump saying that he is waiting for the instruction of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammad bin Salman about what to do reminder that Mohammed bin. Salman is a man who killed the journalists chopped to pieces constitution dot complicated because it's like the president has inherent authority. According to the UNITARY UNITARY executive theory others claim that Congressional Authority has been limited too much by an overreaching executive branch but very rarely have I heard anyone voca causing the constitution that gives the war powers to Saudi monarchs. Well Klaus might be the amendment that has the tally of how how many millions of dollars the Saudi suspend at trump property since he took office right how much money that they promised probably do invest jared's real estate ventures either during or after the administration yeah but then the reality is what becomes evident once again. Is that the American people don't think it's a good idea to go to war on behalf of Saudi Arabia. There's essentially been a backlash in terms of public opinion and and trump once again is pulling back so for the time being does not look like we're going to war but the problem is everything in trump's foreign policy because he he wants to have the appearance of being tough on Iran. You have the appearance of being tougher than Obama. He wants to do the bidding of people like Mohammed bin. Salman makes that conflict more likely even though trump it doesn't get us into it so we're going to be living in this kind of tenuous anxiety ribbon place where essentially we are doing things to escalate but the Iranians the Iranians they're going to be punching back and then trump is going to be withdrawing from the word lost moment. Okay sorry that just okay now. Let's turn to accountability in the American system. the whistle blower story a complaint from inside and Intelligence Agency has set-off confrontation between the trump administration and Congress. You've seen reporting the whistle blower was so alarmed by trump's behavior that he filed or perhaps a response to trump attempting to push Ukraine to to investigate Biden Hillary and Hillary. Why not did it says try a new dish but also we'll get an appetizer that you already know so I was GONNA ask. How big a deal is this? That seems a stupid question. What the the park yeah. There's a lot to say this. I mean first of all. The whistle blower laws very clear. If a whistle blower brings a complained to do the inspector general of the intelligence community and the inspector general finds that it's urgent and serious matter of national security that automatically has to go to Congress that laws already been violated because trump's handpicked director of national intelligence is refusing to allow that to happen acting director and acting director because he fired the director he fired fired the deputy director and found the only guy was willing to take the job and Lo and behold that guy's falling on the sword for this right now. That's problem yeah then I start with. How serious is you essentially have a country Ukraine that has been invaded by its neighbour? Russia and there's still a war going on eastern Ukraine. There's still people being killed in eastern. Ukraine and we should be very mindful that as with a lot of stuff with trump you can obscure the fact that there's like people's lives actually at stake your and Ukraine depends a lot on the assistance we provide them the pressure we put on Russia which is not exactly something. Trump has seemed like a a natural fit for famously. Yes huge issue. Ukraine elected a new president recently. WHO's a comedian John. This may be your future. He plays president of Ukraine now. He he played the Ukrainian president in a show and he was so convincing in that show that he ran for president got elected President Ukraine. Actually this is taking the roads here. Okay okay so that happened. You guys miss this because trump but this is a pretty good story but meanwhile this guy is actually been earnestly trying to be reformer but lo lo and behold the most important farnd supporter that he has the United States the first ask he gets from them is to have a meeting with Rudy Bijlani who goes over there to say you have to investigate whether Joe Biden aided and abetted corruption in Ukraine story that has been widely debunked oh and by the way can you investigate whether or not Ukraine was helping Hillary Clinton the two thousand sixteen election. That's actually true visa just like send in a voice mail yeah. I don't care kill me here. So so what does this mean. This means that trump was trying to essentially extract some promise from Ukraine Ukraine to do this in exchange for something Lo and behold a lot of weapons and support that we were supposed to give to Ukraine was being held up by the trump administration during this period of time time so we'll see what the facts say the appearance is certainly that they were literally leveraging our support for this country that had been invaded in exchange for a promise us to let Rudy Giuliani pursue his conspiracy theory fever dream to discredit Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton which is a problem you can't put Rudy Rudy Giuliani in charge of your nefarious investigations because he's not up to it John. He's not up to and and again we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the United States is leveraging the power of his office to try to get a foreign government that is is the center of a national security issue to eight his campaign. The impeachment closet was written into the constitution like literally like when they're sitting around. This is what they had in mind. They had like three fifths. Compromise is a are good and this is is what impeachment is for Yup. That's about it and that's town roads. We come back. Bring out the rest of our don't go anywhere more of love it or leave it coming up. Love it or leave. It is brought to you by parachute parachute rights hey John. How are you enjoying your new supreme towel bundle however meaning to ask someone that appreciates quality baffling ends? We're hoping you can help us resolve a discussion here at parachute. HQ when traveling is it weird to bring your own towels with you. Yes that was that was a prompt for us to have a conversation. I love if my parachute towels. I will say this. I was just on the road for a week. I was in New York. 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Give me an emmy parachute home dot com slash. Love it and we're back. Let's bring out the rest of our panel. He's worked at Radio Lab. NPR You are WNYC and is currently the host Fox's Daily News podcast today. Explain Please Welcome Sean Rama's Burum the John how you doing doing so well. Thank you if you could ask Rudy Giuliani to do one crime for you. What do you think we're being murder. I missed what you guys said. So was it also border. I hope that it from the new movie the weekend and best friends podcast. Please welcome back so she is a made up this year you can ask. Ashworth Guiliani okay to commit but one crime sure on your behalf yes what might be to to pay for me to go to USC. When Felicity Huffman fifteen in days begin what fourteen days all right calm down. Do we know when they start using. It won't alright little bitter. What does he do something personal. I work at USC You don't work at admissions. You seem defensive. I would like to play a game hi. What's your name Tori Tori yes. Would you like to use an alias because because we're going to discuss the fact that you work at USC. My whole family will here. They'll be so proud coal google Google and your co workers sadly the as much as I talk about this my co workers. Don't listen to this podcast because you work at USC if you worked at UCLA everyone we'll talk to cross the town Ucla. They're hiring shirts like a city fair enough sean saying thinking about Ucla High Tory Hi. Uh How are you. I'm well. How are you otherwise doing great. Climate change killer tradition thank you. Tory redding born ratty climate change. It's a meteoroid is coming to earth and it requires sending ten of the world's greatest oil drillers into space but those oil drillers worked for big oil company so that oil company starts putting out anti Meteo propaganda that says it's all a big lie and then a whole cottage industry pops up saying that the media or is it conspiracy from NASA and by the way Aliens Real and Vaccines Cause Autism and you're like okay aliens are real real but back seasons don't cause autism and now you're arguing about vaccines and you remember what Ben Affleck said in the DVD commentary of argument which is why would you train oil drillers to be astronauts instead of astronauts oil drillers then you look up and realize wait. This is Armageddon. This isn't even deep impact. It's Melancholia section. Got It all right. Sorry we're making assumptions. I never have so many hands said it's fine while explaining why it was fine anyway this coming Monday September twenty thirty United Nations will host a UN climate action summit where leaders from around the globe will meet and talk about collective action. The world can take to reach net zero emissions by the middle of the century. It's led by young people in the world and it makes you fast forward into the future to see how we did and so so this week and our commitment to covering climate change. That's what we're GonNa do so let's go to the future you already a Lisa Press. The Future Feature Bun the password is Biden's is sixty nine sixty nine three two one. You were nineteen ninety-two the two totally check out. This is for the future welcome to love it or leave it. I'm your host John. On Love Hemsworth. It's so great to be in the year of our Lord. Bezzaz twenty-fifty live from the comedy store where just last night Hollywood would legend Gene Gillis did his famous Justin Trudeau Brown face impression. Wow never thought I'd see it in person what a treat on so sorry all right as as you all know this is the thirtieth anniversary of the UN climate action summit which really was a turning point for the way we dealt with climate change and we thought we take a look back on just how much the planet has changed in a game. We're calling two thousand nineteen. I can't believe what happened to trump. Also does that mean. Hemsworth married married into your family or I married a Hemsworth and wanted to take the name but I wanted to keep my name. He just kept his name aw he stayed. Hemsworth and I'm became Hemsworth love. It and we still don't know which one it is. Maybe it's a couple of them. It's it's the future it's twenty fifty and I had to have two of them still left the third one out but which third one everyone knows take the westworld one all right here is how it works. I'll ask a question Tori from the last thirty years of history. Our panel will read clues to help us figure out what the answer is your job. Tori Lee to figure out what actually happened in the past thirty years reminder twenty-fifty Okay Tori. I've explained that very simple idea more poorly you think I think he did a great job. Thanks all right before we begin. I just want to thank our responser. Raytheon Disney. Goldman beef box raid the Disney Goldman beef box. You're hungry. We have the food question one after the UN climate action summit lead to some substantial goals being separate carbon emissions worldwide. What major historical event caused the United States to be the only major world power to nearly miss. Its emissions target. Is Today in twenty twenty six president. Roseanne Barr was about to sign into into La a repeal of President Warren's earns Medicare for everyone but didn't build a tornado rip through Washington. DC furious is president bar did the only logical thing she nuked the tornadoes or is it be due to widespread water shortages in two thousand twenty nine clean drinking water became the status symbol. We know is today. That's why Inbev introduced a line of hard waters with five percent alcohol by volume and fun flavors like like potable lime and no lead this trend led to many influencers arguing that we shouldn't shouldn't stop climate change because it makes them seem cool that they can afford things other people. Can't what do you think influencers are think and cool or is it see John want to say that when I was in Paris with President Obama. Would we were finally scored. This is not what I thought I'd be talking uh-huh this point but I'll say I was embarrassed. Well see president trump's abandonment of the Paris climate accord in in his first term but thankfully President Delaney reentered the Paris climate accord after negotiating an emissions exemption for Baldi's and we managed to avoid Oy the devastation of one point five degrees Celsius of global warming see you got it possibly Tori great job before question too. I just want to take another moment of thank our sponsor J. P. Morgan Amazon Wetzel Pretzels J. P. Morgan Amazon wetzel pretzels what cameras question to Kansas City famously claimed the club capital of the United States after was chosen as the main refugee relocation zoned for Miami before the Great Cocaine Exodus of twenty twenty three but then we got serious and tackle the crisis. How is it a Americans mobilized around the country electing pro climate Democrat leaders in the House Senate and presidency and we finally created a paper Straw that was just as good as plastic and that really unlocked the whole issue believe it or not or is it be Americans mobilized around the country electing pro-climate Democratic leaders the House Senate and the presidency and the fake meat corporate wars resulted in sheep delicious medium rare New York Strip steaks that could be three D. printed in sheets the size of drywall. What time is it see what at times John's Americans mobilized around the country electing pro climate democratic credit leaders in the House Senate and the presidency but it wasn't until Las Vegas got so unbearably hot that Sheldon Adelson junior which was just sheldon Adelson's consciousness downloaded into volunteer who wanted to wipe out his student loan debt said Fuck it and gave a billion dollars to Stacey Abrams doc. What do you think they want it to be. Sea Change that answer to one that a bruin could pick it would be it would be you didn't get it that's because we never cracked paper straws and when Vegas got too. Hot Sheldon Adelson just moved to Liam uh I also just want to take a moment to say a few words about Travis who we all miss. He died doing what he loved riding a lime scooter on the four or five. I can't believe September twenty third two thousand nine hundred was when he died seems like yesterday though I barely remember him question three. We all know by now that climb destruction is in binary isn't a save the world versus world is destroyed situation situation despite what Jonathan Franzen famously went to jail for fucking a bird one set hasn't happened yet future huge Franson fan right in the front row furious furious Franson head right. Oh my God did you see that how she turned turned on me and she was such a fan of the whole time. I mean one Jonathan Franzen jokes obviously we're in the future joking about Jonathan Franzen going to jail just back off aw just back off. I question does your last name. Start with an F. doesn't end with a Ranzan aw I'm getting heckled by huge Branson fat but it's unprecedented what you hear from Nebraska and you love Jonathan Franzen Transit. I liked freedom all right. The point is we staved off two degrees Celsius many feared but what did it take us too long to understand is a just one hundred companies responsible for seventy one percent of all warming. It was never about straws except for that one company. Straw Fire Inc just made straws and set them on fire that was about straws and fire. I guess this is the weirdest game we've done it. While Sean is a be a we need to spend less time arguing with climate deniers way more time weather rising our homes and businesses focusing on low income communities its support jobs slashes energy bills and cuts climate pollution when Illinois did it. They save four billion dollars in energy costs plus. We've found out climate. Denial was a lot like vape lung incurable and only the worst people were into it and it turned out you could get vape long by simply being in the same room with an unopened vape. That's crazy when we find that out. There are some dangerous. It's GONNA turn to been in the rapper. GonNa get forty million people. Is it a fighting climate. Change Saves Money for instance in two thousand eighteen. The average which cost of operating an electric vehicle in the United States was four hundred and eighty five dollars per year while the average for a gasoline powered vehicle was one thousand one hundred seventeen eighteen dollars unfortunately in twenty-fifty our money is worthless because all currency is in facebook's and you can only spend facebook's if you give them your literal face Tori. What do you think be no. It was all the above Tori you've won the Game Gift Card from our sponsor Walgreens Walmart William Morris Endeavor. Www me laughter is the best medicine because we rationed the medicine. Thank you for playing. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere I love it or leave it. There's more on the way love it or leave. It is brought to you by simply safe on average burglary once every twenty three seconds in the US and what's crazy is that only one in five homes homes have home security just happen just not been one when just having a couple of at least two arena Saudia. 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HQ This Week in graciously agreed to face the Queen for a day all it he was a very good sport and it was very on. Let's roll the clip. He's the former mayor of Newark a senator from the Great State of New Jersey and candidate for president of the United States Senator Cory Booker. Welcome to love it or leave it. I am so grateful to be on. Thank you for having me. I want to talk about something. You said many times times so first of all here's why I want to talk about it. Okay so Marianne Williamson yes candidate for president. Yes one thing that she said that really bothered me. Is You know I'm the only candidate talking about love. I am the only candidate talking about the some version of it. I'm paraphrasing. It doesn't matter but I always think wait a second. There's another candidate talking about love all the time him and his name is Cory Booker so when you announced and you said this version of this before what's called me to run for president is because I think we need a revival of civic race. We need to reignite a more more courageous. Empathy also talked about radical love and rather than get into a bunch of different policies. I really wanted to dive into what you mean by that so right right now. Where do you see empathy that we need. That's missing God. I see an impotency of empathy where impotency of empathy impotency of empathy we live in a nation that we sang songs proud songs with the home of the brave but our veterans are disproportionately homeless. They're suicide. Aside rates are off the charts talked veteran women and you hear stories about having to wait like weeks if not months for just gynecological checkup we don't seem to connect the injustice of some with the injustice of others you had the crack epidemic and we treated that epidemic with jail and prison people who need healthcare healthcare and help and the opioid epidemic is now broadening and affecting middle class families and suddenly people say oh. We can't arrest our way out of this problem album gun violence. This issue became an urgency for me when I went move from Yale. Guy Grew up in the suburbs and in my first you know days in Newark New Jersey. Here's the issuing happened right outside of my house and suddenly became this urgency because now it showed up on my doorstep well. We should have enough empathy for each other that we recognize it. As king said injustice anywhere threat to justice everywhere and I can go on issue after issue environmental injustice I could literally you and I could go to duplin county North Carolina. This is just one of the places that lives with these massive factory farms where the people are pig farmers they live like sharecroppers are in debt and these huge multinational conglomerates like Smithfield in this case have changed the way we do farming in America crowding out independent family farmers they've millions of pigs in North Carolina they produce ten times a feces of human beings and they all flows into these massive lagoons and then they spray things called Springfield with a spray this stuff I watched as his stuff fell in the field but it also like when you do your water sprinkler mists into African American communities and so I mean the packed room with people telling me we can't open are windows. We can't put our clothing on the line. We can't run our air conditioning the values of our houses that we've been on generations going back to slavery the respiratory. Oy disease the cancer clusters but yet we don't talk about as a society how we are participating in such massive justices often using our tax code to incentivize fantasize of behaviors that are harming workers harming communities harming the environment. I get very upset that the best of our history was when we responded responded with that empathy when four girls died in a bombing in a church in Birmingham God. This country awoke in people from different backgrounds different socioeconomic status responded when women were throwing themselves out windows at the shortwave factory fire and dying on the pavement we rose up and and we changed laws but now we're at a point in our country where we watch on the news people get killed at houses of worship from Pittsburgh to to to Charleston just in we watch people get killed at concerts and nightclubs in Orlando or Vegas children getting shot in schools hiding under the desk one after another and we still all don't manifest the urgency and the sense of demand to make the change fifty years ago my parents were trying to buy a home in the community I grew up in white neighborhoods hoods and they were denied housing because of the color of their skin and the what broke that housing segregation was that a group of Americans got together activists mostly white in this neighborhood said we're gonNA stop this and they developed this sting operation where they would send a white couple right behind my parents. My parents told the House I grew up and was sold the white couple showed up and they bid on the house but it was accepted on the day the closing the white couple didn't show up in the Real Estate Agents Office my dad any volunteer lawyer a Marty Friedman and they walk in and and the real estate agent didn't capitulate he gets up and punches Mardi Freeman the face. A fight breaks out the GEIS's dog on my dad. A big melee happens what I WANNA understand understand. What is the equivalent of that for liberals. What do you think liberals listening to this are failing to do are failing to properly show courage in their empathy. You're you're saying this is to a guy that lives in a low income below the poverty line neighborhood who sees every day the lack of urgency to deal with horrific situations. I come from a sitting at a table with two civil rights activists that told me about people like Goodman Change Warner Black and white Chrish willing to die for that the lessons since that learn around the kitchen table. I kings had the problem. Today is not the vitriolic words and violent actions the bad people it's the appalling silence and inaction of the good people. I tell people you probably never going to hear this from the presidential candidate ever if you elect me President I'm warning you. I'm going to ask for more from you than you're doing right now because what we're doing right now is not enough and the the injustices that exist in our country are horrific right now as we sit here having this conversation there are children in solitary confinement who haven't even been convicted. It did anything yet for doing things to our last. Three presidents admitted to doing other countries call that torture. I'm not exaggerating psychological professionals call it torture. We we have pregnant women that are being shackled and you asked me what we're not doing. Take environmental injustice my cities on the news right now because kids are are being poisoned by lead had water but you know what we don't talk about the fact that there's three thousand jurisdictions in America. We're children have more than twice the blood lead levels of Flint Michigan or what about this. I live in in a community with two superfund sites around me. We used to clean them up. We had a small tax when chemical producing companies that allowed us to clean up these superfund sites and they started going down won't era of Grover Norquist and no new taxes even though Reagan and Mitch McConnell voted on this reauthorization. They stopped reauthorizing. It and superfund sites are going up and they're disproportionally fortunately in low income communities and now we have longitudinal data. We now know that children born around superfund sites have twenty percent higher rates of autism birth defects effects and more but we're the urgency change doesn't come from Washington. It wasn't a bunch of guys in one thousand nine hundred twenty on the Senate floor. WHO said Hey fellas. Let's give women the right to vote ready break. We came because of an extraordinary level of activism and engagement and I'm not people are listening to this show who are out there marching. I'm not criticizing that I tell people all the time. This might shock you that this has been the two most hopeful years of my life because I define hope the way. A woman taught me in the fifth floor of the projects that hope is the active conviction that despair won't have the last word one of these. I've been most interested in your candidacy. Is I sincerely think when you talk about love when you talk about the deeper pain and people feel that that's a unique and compelling view on where we are right now that beneath the trump coarseness and Brittleness beneath the sort of daily partisanship chip there does seem to be a deeper pain that were struggling with the kind of loss of dignity in our economy in our society and I guess I just WanNa hear. Are you talk a little bit about what you see as the kind of source of that pain the way out of that payment. How do we get out of this kind of toxic politics that we're in right now now. This is not going to be election. This could be decided on who has the better fifteen point policy plan. If that's what decided elections we would one the last one because we had a much better policies for Americans this election. It's going to turn on heart on gut on the spear this country. I went back to find the people fifty years ago that helped my family move into Harrington Park and I found the lawyer that organized the lawyers and I asked him why and he said to his response was basically March. Seventh nineteen sixty five. He's the guy was sitting on a couch tired after a long week from work and on that night back when we had three channels most of America's watching a movie called judgment at Nuremberg and they broke doc away from this movie to show a bridge in Alabama and these marcher started in Selma trying to get to Montgomery he watched them get stopped on a bridge by stater was within gas them and viciously beat them. We call the stayed bloody Sunday. Here's a white guy on a couch a thousand miles away who sees black people being beaten on a bridge and he tells me he thought to himself. He couldn't afford a plane ticket down there. He thought maybe I can show you couldn't do that he doesn't do what all of us do we allow our inability to do everything to undermine our determination do something when issues or big he he gets up offices. Couch does the calculation that he can. Maybe squeeze out one our pro bono work. He says he goes to work. Looks around for people who need help finds. This group of housing advocates sixty five turns to sixty seven. I'm just sixty eighty gets more people involved. Leverage is more lawyers to help sixty eight sixty nine and he says he remembers the day he gets his case file with his family coming up to names on it the case file where we're carrying caroline booker my parents. I'm literally sitting here with you right now. Because a white guy on a couch in a time that was a moral moment where he could really do nothing about what he saw but decided to do the best he could with what he had where he was got up off that couch and change the destiny of my life. I wouldn't be the fourth a popular elected black senator in the history of this country country if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be running for president is as if it wasn't for him. My purpose for running right now is because I think whoever our next leader is better be able to create the conditions additions necessary to pass legislation the conditions necessary for civil rights legislation Worker's rights legislation suffrage legislation all of that and you you know it was because incredible leaders at all levels expanded the moral imagination of this country help us to see each other for who we are. We may be Donald Trump in this next election but that's not going to make changes on the shootings on the inequities on the people my block that work full-time jobs and still need food stamps. You and I both know that's not going to change that. We need leaders that can excite that moral imagination have that revival of grace. I promise you that is what's GONNA help us to move forward as a nation and that's why I mean this. I want you to know that that was so inspiring at the end that I did a question about building a tunnel from New Jersey to New York because you have no idea how important that is to the national economy August. I WANNA talk. I do what I want to. Why can't we build a tunnel from New Jersey to New York. Chris Christie fucked it. Trump is trying to fuck it. It can't and get the cost down. Why can't we build that tunnel. And why is it so expensive. In general dollar invested infrastructure is about a hundred percent return in Newark New Jersey Metropolitan area. It gets like multiples of that in return but the busiest rail quarter North America that runs from Boston to Washington. DC through New York and New Jersey and the tunnels runs half an hour slower than it did in the the nineteen sixties and so I called the summit meeting with Christie and the Secretary of Transportation I in my office and said enough this fighting blaming people. Let's come up with a plan. Dan and to everybody's credit around that table. We came up with a plan. We gotta going everything was moving fronts but the train had a head on collision with a guy named trump and who has denied that project project resources that need that everybody knows we produce significant part of our national economy that we're bombing ministrations. It's number one infrastructure urgent project in the country and this president's doing everything he can to block it if I become President United States. I WanNa hear you know at that time. If I have to go out there and take like a shovel myself I will get that tunnel done mark my words honestly that is the best promise ever listed in the history of love it or leave it all right. We had a regional moment. You have no idea how gratifying that was exciting to say that all of that. Thank you all right now. I just need to shake shake it off. Shake it out all right all right for decades grover norquist. The love child of mine rand and Al Borland isn't that I brought them up already already. I know that's amazing. He's Republican candidates for office. Assigns pledged to commit them to his core values. No new taxes no elimination of tax deductions no making fun of Buca Chiens and since I consider myself the grover norquist people who buy high end luxury edibles. I think what is a high luxury edible just a very fancy a cupcake. It can be a cupcake okay. It's marijuana. Oh it's are we talking about drugs but this is great because my t- tells me of the number one pro pot person in the Senate people tell me all the time that I am the corneas guy. I've never drink alcohol for crying out loud. Yeah I would say you will be the number one pro pot senator until I become off all right so I'm the grover norquist of high end. Luxury edibles will start literally thought you were talking about Vegan cupcakes but go ahead. WE'RE GONNA get to it all right. I started my own pledge. During this primary we're pinning presidential candidates out on the issues that matter to me most in a segment recall queen for a day queen. Why do it just for just day. Listen story my life. Senator Booker Graciously agreed to be the sixth candidate to face the gauntlet. Why am I number or six polling schedule on Day one. Do you pledge to eliminate daylight savings and never let the American people see dark before five. PM I'm again. I'm the NERD that looks at the data that literally you have more accidents or happening as a result of this. I mean bad things. Things are happening because of daylight savings because because we don't remain at daylight savings because it shifts back and forth. I think this is archaic I would. I love to get rid of it. I will not make you a promise that I'll do it but I'll tell you it is a pain point for me probably equal to the pain point for us. I am the pro eliminating daylight savings time person yes if you go to a Vegan restaurant and they have items on the menu with little quotes around it like chicken parm or harness. Is it okay for Antifa to break some windows aw no let me translate that into Spanish for your job. No it is annoying when it says like chicken fingers in its misspelled as a guy that knows the ills of the industrial animal agricultural industry. I don't give a damn if you put quotes around taking the meat out of our diets and having more people choose a healthier option. I am all for it. We're GonNa Talk Star Trek. Oh why which film is better voyage home more first contact. I'd say first contact okay. That's interesting. That's interesting follow up. Please be brief board clean good villain bad villain great village that is correct. Why Voyage home is a better film that key to the Borg yes or no senator key to the board as a unique and terrifying the mind yes. You're absolutely right that you know I I can still say she was terrified. She okay so he's herself was it but it was it was was it under the inconsistent with the whole idea like there's a great star. Trek episode. I wish I could quote the number where this group of old board folks crash crash they liberated themselves but during fights and clashes and then they tap back into the hive mind and suddenly there's peace and may were they made a conscious choice to connect their minds again for that one you you don't remember that one. I don't follow up. Are you. Open to the possibility that undiscovered country is actually the greatest star trek film and not as commonly asserted round the con- undiscovered country I am I'm going to make your case because that is that undisguised never heard anybody in my entire life. Defend that movie so I'm just making sure. I don't need any more of these talk about it. I really want to talk about and better than the wrath of Cayenne going to say it and I'm going to say why because I'm going to say undiscovered country and as I saw it or a little Unorthodox WanNa talk about courageous empathy. That is a movie about diplomacy about overcoming prejudice. William Shatner begins by saying is it Christmas Komo one here is going to know it blows up and they say we gotta rescue the Klingons or they're GonNa die and William Shatner heroes let them die and then over the course of how I understand that he was wrong that they were part of an older generation that had to do better and it's through diplomacy and then if you just pretend generations doesn't exist. It's the final yeah no great film that yet or made now rather con also good Rafic Hana's epoch man it is epic but what about the fact that three three on does too right because they you know spot goes out in that sunglasses case and you think that's that and then all of a sudden we're now we're searching urgent for so I love my dad and lure you can go on my instagram page and I still remember the day I had a friend of mine from college a long time and I'm sitting here crying as I'm writing distribute to Leonard Nimoy because my dad sat me down and said you have to watch this show and he was so excited about it because it was this bold optimistic stick view of the future literally I while they're vegans second of all. Is that true. I guess that means a replicator yeah you could Google Star Trek vegans and you'll see he like clips of them. Things like impossible burger in a way it's constitution. It's not an animal torture going on in in the way factory animals or often killed in ways that don't align line with American values and so so anyway my dad big deal for him. He introduced me Star Trek Leonard Nimoy becomes like hero rotate. He loved this view of the future where that racism and poverty all these things overcome at an event here in Los Angeles night before last his widow Susan Nimoy an amazing superhuman human being herself who's helping Stacey Abrams actually I connected the two of them and she is such a righteous activist. She hands me a gift and I'm dead tired on east coast time. Go home to my hotel. Open this gift and I'm overcome because it is a book of Nimoy love poetry's to her. He signs it to her and then she resigns it to me. That's nice. I was like overcome. It was like the poetry this man who sold chain my dad's view and my views of like excited science fiction love to have her who's a democratic activist a justice activist in her own right for her to give me this gesture is one of the more meaningful gestures of my life and we're experiencing just someone who was so thoughtful. Give me something of such value to her was powerful. It is powerful also powerful. Leonard Nimoy Story Credit on Star Trek six undiscovered red country okay. Let's just see what you binging right now by the way Shits Creek I just finished mine hunter binge-watching right now I began to do it out of of significant other obligation and now I'm doing it out of unashamed proud to say it loved the show Jane the Virgin Okay Okay Okay so my my girlfriend pops up season four or five and so I was just doing let me just get through the but no it's a good show. That's cool yeah. Jana version supernatural supernatural interesting. I don't watch that he's anybody your supernatural wha how could a show honestly last fifteen years. It has a fan base. I'm I'm this blown away that there's nobody here that watches supernatural. America's divided one one last question and we'll let you go incredibly gracious with your time. You told an interviewer that your comfort food was this is N. Jeez and I just want to give you an opportunity to save your dignity dignity candidacy future career whatever you WanNa save because that was a terrible answer resoundingly mocked by my own campaign a pain staff that in a moment like that I would answer vegetables and I'm GonNa tell you exactly this is. I'm going to be sharing. This is very personal. Let's hear it and can we just have a condition that if this doesn't doesn't come out right we can cut this part of the podcast no okay so. I am a guy that is like on the wagon and then falls off the wagon when it comes to food yeah and when I'm off the Wagon Watch your fingers. Actually I'm a Vegan so you don't have to worry about your fingers but if you're holding Vegan cupcake cake I might tackle you for said Vegan but this is why I find your answer so let me finish before you judge me feel bullying bullying volleying right now yeah so they that wasn't interview when I towards the beginning of the campaign and I am freaking on the the wagon. I'm like eating healthy literally published this view of meeting Brussels sprouts which they thought was definitely more than rated. PG The way I was enjoying those those Brussels sprouts and so I I when you're on the wagon the wagon right now you know yesterday. I was a watermelon tearing into fruit and what are we doing. I tell caroni sugar yeah so when I answered that question they asked me. I was feeling strong. I looked at them and senator vegetables and I thought you know didn't think too much of it but it by the time it came out and myself is laughing exam on the campaign trail where people bring me Vegan Brownies. They don't even get to the car. I'm like eating them. Chocolate all over me you know because the problem being Vegan. There's there's tons of you everywhere. I go. There's a there's a Vegan tribe out there. That doesn't think I'm getting what I need on the campaign trail and they bring me incredible. Vegan treats so commit to you that there is a few very low moments of my campaign and this was sincerely one of the lower moments and you've given me a shot at Redemption Shen so I'll ask this question again and meek does me exposing to you my vulnerability of eating all my eating hangups does that in any way. Give you some sympathy for me now. No I'm checking. I'm just doing a little emotional check in and I don't know I that I do have genuine. I don't have sympathy for saying veggies because as someone who I know you've talked about it you you go up and down you vegan. There's so many great vegan comfort foods Mac and cheese loaf. Listen I could tell Chile who name is city. I can tell you the great vegan spots that have the most incredible begin comfort food from from Champs Diner in Brooklyn crossroads here in L. A. Crosswords is good. It is so could I'm talking about Vegan chicken and waffles. I mean it is unbelievable and so the problem is with that is junk. Food is junk food. I may not have any cholesterol but you you you gain weight and so for me as a guy who was always has gone on from chiseled Stanford football player to jiggled where I was at the highest. Sorry Man I'm cory booker story this terrible desire. This need to say dad jokes another controllable habit. I have like when you said that. Shit's creek what you were watching mealy popped up a great. I I make the Senate pages. Tell me their best jokes and I go joke for joke with them and the Senate a page told me this great joke. There was a zoo. They'll take out. Take us out with this joke. There's this zoo that has no animals in it. You walk through nothing there but this one dog it's a Shitzu well. He's giving up or Senator Cory Booker. Thank you so much. Burn thank you to cory booker. When we come back the rant wheel don't go anywhere. There's more of love it or leave. Even coming up love it or leave it has brought you by native and native they create safe simple effective products that people using the bathroom every day probably on trusting ingredients and trusted performance dave is filled with ingredients found in nature just coconut oil shea butter and Tapioca Starch. 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It does eighty okay. Well listen. No one wanted a straight answer more than me on the question of what Vegan food was. This is vegan comfort food. I'm not actually even sure I don't know even get there in the full interview but I hear you on the Vegan Chicken parm which is a great vegan option. Thank you for the timing in. I mean that and I want you to know is a person from New Jersey. I did ask him about the tunnel project. Oh I did not lie shadow so the tunnel project. We got out. Yes are you from. I want you guys in New Jersey. I want you to know that I think I promise on the tunnel if he wins. Yes Oh yeah. That's what we're talking about to take when I say tunnel project. I don't mean to destroy them. Yeah fix it make more of them. That's what we've been making. Tunnels is very easy. Are Are you sean. I'm so good. Are we gonNA talk about Corey's jeans. It's a podcast so it's tough but tell us what you thought. I mean I just feel bad for the listeners at home who won't see the jeans because he looked good in the genes. I know it's been working out relations to Corey for the genes. I didn't actually say it in person because we covered a lot of ground but it is like like he may have gone from chiseled jiggled but he's back at Chisel than good for him good for him. He just put on the jeans and L. A. Is An L. A. Thing I. I don't know we didn't get to it. HOW DO GENES JERSEY FROM JERSEY. She just loves Joe. This woman's agents from Jersey. That woman Loves Tunnel Jersey Person. That's tunnel person these people are from New Zealand that guy's been on his phone consistently the IT works at USC and feels kind of weird about it. This woman has a picture of Jonathan Franzen above her bed. uh-huh pictures just to catch everybody up and this section is gay now for the rent wheel. You know how it works. You spin the wheel wherever it lands. We rent about the topic this week on the wheel. We have Canada aw Shocking Bird News Burger. I on the right side on birds vaping nets it's over packaging impeachment hustlers and Alexa what's been the wheel landed on Alexa which I believe. Ben Suggested so I'll say at my house Sir I've got two daughters two and four and they like to talk to Alexa a lot mainly to ask her to play various Disney songs. You know I look at this for my background which I've been widely in properly mocked for tonight and I see like a just gigantic security. Kirti risk in our house so like when we were in those offices right like you couldn't even have a phone in your office because it could be turned into a listening device by I foreign governments and so then I just look at this black tube like computer from two thousand one just vacuuming up all my data data all day long and I walked by and I kind of look over at it and I have these kind of existential questions and sometimes I'll walk out of the room come back and and my daughter will just be talking into Alexa having a conversation Alexa will be talking back you know and then I think about you know all these governments that I used to worry about and even since I left left. Ronin busted up the fact that black you this is rarely former intelligence officials have been spying on off Hobby Harvey Weinstein's accusers and then it came out that they're also spying on me and ruining also that story actually found out that they were spying on you on Tommy on John on Dan they were all on the list and I wasn't on the fucking list and it was like humiliating but here's the thing they only paid one of the memos so there really is a chance chance that I was on page two of the memo but we don't know go on Ben here here the kind of things that cross through my cupcake at a bowl adult mind in my lifestyle as Zilog Alexa Right which is that finally all these governments have all the goods on me right black you Russia all these people an all. They fucking here all day. Long is me getting frustrated did that. My daughter can't get the fucking WANNA soundtrack to play because it's always playing something else when she's asking for the song and me just yelling Alexis and you Ashani from somewhere. There's a yeah exactly. Let's let's minute again. Landed did on over packaging. which I believe was suggested by this year yes yeah I'm tired of ordering stuff online and then it comes in like a Goddamn tree tree like it's just like covered in a whole massive paper like I got vitamins and it was just two bottles of vitamins and they were in a box then of course in the box was like another tiny box for the individual vitamins that boxers in a bag and that bag was in a box and that box was in a plastic bag and that was mailed to me and I was like I only ordered two things you couldn't? I don't know how things go through the mail but it was just like too much and I am also trying to just decrease my carbon footprint in general some like let me go to store and buy something person but I don't have anything anymore. They don't have any more why does exist. I'm so tired of going to the store and be like. Do you have a tupperware here and they're like you have to go online for that. I was that's why I'm here to avoid the online process. That made me go online to do the thing that I'm in the store currently for its seam ripper seems and couldn't find what I went to. CVS where I'm certain I bought one from years ago. They inhabit went to rite aid walgreens all in there like a wood and then I went to knitting store because I was like they must and they did not and the go-to Joann fabrics which is not my house and I didn't WanNa keep moving around. I remember at home it was my found it but wasted so much faster and find one in the real world and I don't WanNa order online because it's going to come in like a million packages is too much edge and then also the boxer had the vitamins was like please recycle or something like it's cool to recycle you if I put the recycling bin. It's not going to get recycled only like three percents. Things are actually recycled so it was just more trash said give me trash stop giving sincere drought spin it again so it has landed on Canada suggested by Sean the same. I heard there was a sorry that echoed politely wasn't from a Canadian because it would have been a Sewri so what a give anyway as as a Canadian who was born with Brown face for all the listeners at home I got to say so I flew here from DC last night and the whole fucking can thing happened while I was on the plane and I got senses of it because I had like the free texting Wi fi but not like the good give this faceless corporation money for Wifi because they had the departed on the fucking TV or whatever so I and that's your time I had a sense that there was something going on with Justin trio but I couldn't actually read in any of the things but once I landed and got to read all the things I actually wasn't surprised because I- longtime ago decided that I was going to live my life a certain way and I would recommend the same for view because a lot of people seem I was getting a text when I landed a lot of people heartbroken like Barack Obama had just had sex with like Kellyanne conway or something and I was like thank you for the limits Sarah Huckabee Sanders. No just stop just imagine this. I just wasn't surprised because like you can either go through your life thinking like Oh people aren't racist and you will constantly be disappointed or I would recommend this attack that I've taken go through your life assuming that everyone's racist and then when you find out that like a privileged like son of Canadian royalty who like went through his life in elite circles dressed up in black face or Brown face once or twice or like four times. I don't even know how many now you will not be fucking surprised which I would recommend and then. I guess I saw these. These headlines like you know. JUNEAU's Brown face throws Canadian election into turmoil turmoil. Can you name another Canadian politician your name what other Canadian politics I was just in Canada for Labor Day. Most of my friends didn't know who who is running against Justin Trudeau in the election right now. Can you name forty seven people running against Donald Trump right now. My friends in Canada don't have any idea who's running against Justin Trudeau. I don't know about this turmoil. Do we think that he actually thought it was wrong. Before this moment I don't know what he thought when you did it but it's hard hard to have observed multiple black face scandals unfolding in the US in recent months and it must have occurred to him when he saw the new the weeks of news about Virginia and when Ted Danson Ago Billy Crystal the Oscars five years ago didn't thousand twelve seven years. Isn't that insane insane but he he's been doing this for a while and people love it. He's had a long career black vase but you know he's a legend this fun turn McKinnon again. It has landed on shocking bird news this New York Times all of a sudden see this headline. The crisis for birds is a crisis for all of thus. I come to this article unaware. I didn't know about the crisis with birds and I certainly didn't know it was my Mike crisis as well. I came to there's two crises. I was unaware of both of them but this article is trying to convince me that a crisis I didn't know about is a bigger deal that I would have. I thought but I'm coming at this at zero and here's what I read almost one third of wild birds in the US and Canada have vanished which since one thousand nine hundred seventy three hundred bird species are affected two point nine billion birds have disappeared over the past fifty years reported in the Journal of Science more than have of grassland birds have disappeared. That's seven hundred and seventeen million missing birds corner of bluejays just out of nowhere and once a week this is happening once a week you go to the New York Times and it's just news alert. The bees are gone news alert. Check out those coral reefs while you can and it's always one of those stories where when you click on it the picture takes takes up the whole screen and it's moving and as you scroll down something something beautiful because it is the Times not again and you watch glaciers as you scroll down the like we know I didn't know Oh. I didn't know you slowly zoom out as more and more you're like how big is this fire. GonNa get. It's all of South America Fuck Doc. Let's end on a high note however the population of ducks and geese has grown by fifty six percent since nineteen seventy because because the US and Canada responded with laws that are driven by science. It's a reminder that every time you see a story about the plundering of our earth and the hopelessness around climate or the the decimation of a wildlife ecosystem part of the earth just remember that we're in charge of the elected leaders who are going to set policy around these issues. We need to elect leaders who are GonNa take climate change seriously that is the power we have right now whenever I see see these incredibly terrifying stories and click on them. I'm going to try to remember the twenty twenty is not just a referendum on Donald trump it is probably the most important environmental election and maybe ever because it will determine whether the whether or not the United States leads on climate or abandons the terrain and dooms US given how short time frame the IPC says we had. There's a small girl from Europe. Who's going around everywhere telling us about it. She's pretty cool do whatever she says and by the way Jake give yourself a treat of watching Greta go head to head against a Republican congressman who came in with like a Taurel trick and she picked him up and bounced him around the room like when Hulk picks up Loki and it fucking being ruled now. What have you polluted one thing and another boat polluted five things? 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S4E12a - Killer Coach [Part 1] (Featuring Greg Lisi)

Mother, May I Sleep With Podcast?

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S4E12a - Killer Coach [Part 1] (Featuring Greg Lisi)

"Hey, it's Molly Makhalira, and you are listening to season for a mother may I sleep with podcast. Okay. Guys tonight. We're doing today we're doing wherever you are redoing killer. Coach with Gregg Lisa. Hi, Greg show. Thank you for having me. So Greg is a friend of mine that I've met mostly recently. But I've known for a long time because I follow Tori, Lee. See your wife Healy hyphen. Okay. No, no, no. She made her middle name Healy. Okay. Okay. So what's your middle name Oreste? Okay. So I'm not doing that. But okay. So Tori was an intern. At Hello giggles. When I was there, and I always love, Tori. And then I just like, I don't know. And then like all of a sudden over time, she was growing up. I saw her getting into a relationship with you. Then like, you guys were more active like on my I was seeing maybe more the algorithm was favoring y'all. And I just got really knew it. I got into you guys as a couple, and then y'all were into me as a creator and also Christina Lopez. I me to you. So hugely important Christina Lopez. And now you're here. Congratulations. You kinda traded the very sacred hard thing to get into which is my life. And I'm so happy to have your you're really funny, Greg. I. I'm really excited nervous to movie with you because it's so campy, but also like very heavy. It's intense. It's called killer. Coach this is I think our third swimming movie, we've done well, wait. So we did Lisa Renna that movie another woman's has been and then we did deep blue pool. What was that called with the two sisters sister, Ted travel tide pool up Assode deadly deadly pool sisters? Let's just call it the hot. And then we did. Oh my God. Sammy well, the murder under the ocean thing. But then we didn't other swimming lesson movie in particular, listen, they were all with me. I'll remember as we go throughout. But this is another swimming movie. This is actually our first. Movie with the black entre new, we've never had an African American woman or whatever she may be center of our movie ever, especially in a teen role. This is my pick debt, right? You wanted to start a conversation this movie like brought up a lot for me. Just in terms of like, oh, fuck like, I'm realizing, you know, some problems I have always sent sort of underlying in a lot of lifetime movies. This is a really difficult character for me to sympathize with throughout a lot of the movie, and in a way that I've never not liked like the lead of a movie so much, and I felt like that was the way that the writing was were she didn't this woman has no friends. No. She has no friends. We've never even the most unlikeable character. And every lifetime movie has a friend who deals with her bullshit. I didn't think about that that explains her boyfriend them while her boyfriend, I a whole. Like internal narrative that I was really excited about at the beginning. And all I sort of get into that with you do fun role play stuff. But like I thought that there was like a really interesting possible turn it with her boyfriend in the beginning. But the unfortunate thing of unfortunate thing about Samantha is that she likes stands really for nothing. She has no interest. She's resentful about her life. And also, she has no friends, and is really cruel to people like the way she deals with the sort of stuff that most people brush off, and I would say like fuck like I was thinking to myself, Mike, my Thome policing are now's like not like literally she doesn't have one. Like at one point. She's nice to the ex-boyfriend like before she ruined his life and almost nearly put them in the hospital forever. She has a lot going against her to like this is a bizarre world where she's overly sexualize as a young woman. Like her age is never even. Rot wash. Oh my God. No late beyond the fact that like this would have been handled very differently. Like if a girl was in any other lifetime movie, we have ever watched on this show, if she was eighteen aka barely legal not only would have been like the headline of the movie, but it would have been like, it least brought up much more frequently. I mean them find out she was legal until I mean, forty five minutes in do we do find out. Yeah. They lead they lead groundwork for her being a decent person as well as a legal adult like in halfway through the film, which I'm like why? Now, are you redeeming her as opposed to like as you set her up to be this honorable character, except she's just destructive and every relationship she's so rude, and like it just sucks because this actress? Is actually really exceptional. And she did something I really appreciate it in this film, which is that she came in with a big performance, which is typically not like the Tony go for most lifetime actresses act, really like is if they're acting for TV drama when the to act more like they're acting for an action movie, and she really did that like she almost the comedic horror elements of it. Which is why I was joking on this. I was like this movie was brought to me by the mind of Jordan MP L, but actually like Jillian Pearlman, which is my child child pediatrician like I just it was like it was like almost there like they were bringing some major things to the table. But then like it was very much undercut by. A lot of just real insensitivities in the writing and also depiction of this family this character by the time. I was supposed to feel bad for her. I was gone. No. Yeah. You know, what other movies like, you know, what we'll tell you about the redeeming quality of this character the third act like that's just like the dump like that's not going to solve the movie. That's just gonna make me finally be like, oh, she's not a monster. She's never supposed to be the villain. It's usually they would do it the reverse, but they tell you why they're not redeemable like escape, Dan Amora. Did you watch that no into tomorrow, but they're prisoners not running for them to escape many find out what actually did? And then you start rooting for them to be caught. Right. So. Yeah. Right. And like, I don't I don't like want her to want anything bad to happen as garages wish that the storytellers Ron her side. And is specially I would like to know this was like 'cause this is like an organic casting decision to me where it's like it felt very I don't know. There is a I don't know. I just would like to know if this was cast purely like just based on we need a lead, or if this was like tailored towards a black lead because it felt very. I don't know. It was predatory in weird. In a weird way. I didn't I didn't sit. Well with me. But that said, I think everyone should go watch killer coach, and let me know what you feel now. This said no hate to anyone involved because making a movies and exciting opportunity for everyone. Absolutely. Has it is lucrative fabulous. I feel like there was a lot of there was a lot of different stuff in this movie that I've seen in many others on lifetime. And that it also was like. No one like known was like super dumb like everyone really came to the table with like a fall fallback even Lucas who got to him. I have theories, but everyone came with a full Dak now in terms of your question about why was this killer coach he doesn't wind up killing you. Bitter and salty lifetime has been doing deadly blank killed at Blang like something at seventeen killer blank like they like to fill in these series. So basically, it's less about what the movie's about and more about what sounds the coolest. It's kind of like how they would title like RL Stein books. Jessica. Jessica. What you were. Right. Where it's like, we gotta like fitted into this like many series that we're doing is it I don't, you know, there was one by the way, I would love if anyone could tell me this. I was a babysitters club girl through and through. But there was this one sweet Valley High Christmas mysteries book that I had where it was like one of the sisters went into her dream, and she was like a fucking unicorn, and it was very good. If anyone remembers what that one sweet Bali Hai book is I would re- I would really like to rebate at because I remember it being very good, especially if characters that didn't really attach yourself to. So I will say our lead is Jovita, Leslie. Name. Learn it now because yes on our show called God friend did me. Oh, I'll hell. Yeah. You know? God fronted me CBS show. Is it real? I was like that's fucking tight must be Canadian. God friend me. I don't know if it got renewed. But it's you know, a network show. She's fucking killing. She is really beautiful in familiar looking. I will say she actually is very like hunting and certain scenes like she really channeled it, and she also yes, she had a good attitude like everything was above a little bit of what you would ever see this was only her second role ever. And it was her first like full movie, she had only done it short before it. So we're catching our girl at the beginning, the mom whose name is Gina. I never really like. Even bothered to learn her name was, gene. I just called her coach mom in my notes. She was in the lethal weapon show American crime story. She played Dale Cochran. Oh, she's what that's pretty big. She was great. She was on bad teacher the series. Are we there yet? She's done a lot of work girlfriends. She was on how. Like, wow. That just kind of goes to show like how many how much talent you bring to the day -able when you just not just fucking white girls that did to up associates of something, you know. Yeah. Oh, totally. Oh, totally like usually in like, wow, she went on to do great things such as four episodes of lost. Like, it's really like this is a much more formidable situation here than we have Tom Maden are haughty, of course, theories on him. He was on scream the TV show. He was also on famous in love starring Bella Thorne famous in a lifetime family. He was also on TV series called lifetime that thirteen reasons. Why? Yeah. Right before screening the TV series. He did killer coach that actually might be why I know him is because I remember when screened the TV series came out of like, what are you doing my franchise who they are. And like he was a Cutie he's hot. And I have theories about like why I don't know. Like, I I feel you pull Akon and you're in that hot like, I've got ideas for him business move. But you know, what I'm talking he's gotta hustle hustle. So let's do killer. Coach we're going to open the Erie shot of this young girl, drowning it seems in water that does seem I don't know. Are you are you a water baby? A love the water. I like, I'm a fish when I get into that water. I just wanna stay when you say no tall room where you like why game your parents being like one can go in the pool blank. That is like the best I love swimming. So I was swimming myself. I have like inside on that. I bet it's probably come up every single time moved on swimming on this podcast, but anyway, scarier notion or pool. A pool. Meteo? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's like slippery though. Sion's not slippery. Mo like the oceans also like it's more up to you like a pool is like a lot. It's a very well. It's poisoned by nature. No wants to swallow any sort of water. I don't know one time. I accidentally drink lake water New Hampshire, and I got really sick. So I would probably say lakes, but I've also got a lot of fun swim put in all bodies lakes. Nascar do lake though. I love I mean, I'm New England baby. Like throw me in a water. My nanna literally Tommy had a swim by paying. Amanda, throw me into deep into the ocean. And then I would win like a little lobster lollipop if I. It was like, and it wasn't even those pops. It was like that like sh- the sugar just like it was just that sugar. That's simple syrup lollipop throw you. Yeah. He was a big fat man with the mustache. I feel like his name was like feeling we called him O'Brien or something like that was his name of selene that but he's a big fat man who through deep into the ocean. And I remember my grandmother like surprise me one time with good chocolate smiley face. It was a hard chocolate clear those snacks, the motivation. But when you're four no three and a half four being thrown deep into the ocean with kids older, I think deter them I gave myself credit foreign that class current swept away. I mean, they're like, I I absolutely floated to beaches over one day, and everyone left and didn't know I was there lost on the seaside. And then I ran up to the shore. And I was like I saw lewd guys vaguely knew. And like the lady was like, oh, are you a Makhalira? Because like I have the same is is like my family, and she was like, okay, we'll take you home. And like she walked me home. My family was like, oh Jesus. And like CHAI would say out, my let's see maybe three of the adults. Like, I would say maybe probably to the teenagers were sent down to look for me. You know what I mean? But I was five and I liked took off on the elevator alligator rafts. Yeah. Those are gone now best rafts. Everyone's concentrate on the swan bringing back to the alligator simple. Yes. So I got lost in the ocean. And I'm afraid of that whether jetties. Yeah, there was a Johnny. But like, the Jedi was closer to my cousin's house Sogeti was like, basically, twelve blocks over from my house, and there is a beach every three this is. So I grew up in Marshfield Duxbury, which is different from the Cape because we're like right above Plymouth. I fucking love. I'm so happy that was shown 'cause it was like, very ritzy. And also very like just like Lohia fulltime families that lived there. It was great lot of great people summer to marshaled Cape Cod. No shade. Like, my mom and step dad got a house here when I graduated, but I had no connection. God whatsoever. It's a fine place to visit. I had a high school from. Orleans like it just never that. Same connection for me. I love I love where I am. By the way, that sounds rich you guys in Massachusetts. You can live in like a Southie dumpster and still find a way to summer in Cape Cod. So like, it's not it's just kind of what you do because you only get two months year to have fun where I'm from so short of a quick show too long. Oh, Long Beach. Okay. Long Beach island. New jersey's. Oh, yeah. That's where a lot of my friends lived when we when they graduated college. Wait, I think Long Beach Long Beach city. It was probably Seattle city or it was a little like the Pepsi sign that you could stare right past that into the Manhattan skyline sending to kill herself. Shaun's further south than a lot of like, the traditional jersey shore like poly d as but you'd go to I only went to days, so jersey shore didn't connect. But I know that like that must be fabulous. Well, no like people there are people in New York who like swear by Coney Island. Yeah. And I'm like if that's your beach, take dogging. And I know that there must be there's always nice beaches north or south of any chaotic Beechy go to wrap your dune, homey. Absolutely. So okay. Let's go into killer coach. So we opened on this. Erie shot bull. She's like doing this floaty thing in the water. Start talking about my swing experienced when you see that. So let's play this confrontation right here with her coach to get the dynamic going a little bit. We're going to learn more about why this coach is yelling at her so intensely in a moment. Twenty nine seconds to two minutes and forty five seconds. Sixteen that short Wilson can even do a minute while you're not swimmers the dish, you yourself to take less breath faster, your time lapse gimme it's no nobody's going to give you a second heat trouser four weeks. And you're not even close. Let's go latte. Lacks now. While she actually member there's someone else on the team a right? Are we ready? Hell. Yeah. What is that? Nickel back like I feel for her. Wow. Out. You should have beaten up by half a length. You're gonna be embarrassed. Emily's actually a great swimmer. Maybe she get some credit. Instead of always cutting me down near -dorsements. Great doesn't get you on the podium. Great doesn't get you gold. Flawless that Mike to shop. Is that got you bronze? You think my was affiliate? Obviously you do. This is your one-shot. Samantha and it's my job to help you realise that now there's going to be scouts at the trials and members of the selection committee. So I need you to focus focus. Yes. I come here. Every night you tell me what the e went to sleep. What's what's do you push me harder than anybody else? Because you have more talent than anyone else. Emily didn't like that. Here. I'm coach you're always coach. Nice meditation. She does for she sort of like fo- drowns herself. I enjoy it. I actually like I can relate to that. I just don't well. First of all, none of this unpowered tailed hair in the pool is remotely practical known her looks remarkably healthy for chlorine one hundred percent. And like, well, here's the other deal too. Is that they're popping these bathing caps on an off like that's like a casual affair when in reality everyone. You have to condition your hair profusely, and then put the cap on over it to protect your hair. Like, it's a little process when you're swimming swimming, in chlorine, everyday now, I wanna point out some things that I related to. Okay. One every day fucking day. I one thing it's not a joke, man. Like that was some shit. Like it was like oh God. I look. Back on it now. And I'm like, I'm glad I did that because I was like so young. But like, oh my God. Like my body hurt every day swimming's. Definitely the hardest. Exercise so hardest. And then I was like, you know, what Fook improve point like I was like I leak wanted to like make over the fact that I wasn't like the best of my team. So I'm going to do the hardest event. So he did distance that was stupid. Strict ish diet is true. Just mostly not like you have to be one swimming meets you veracious, you eat whatever you want. Okay. But it's also easy to like develop really bad eating habits when you're like working out as an athlete because people just relate. Well, then I can cancel that. Especially when you're growing kid being late, just eat whatever you want. No, you have to stick on a pretty lean diet that is true lot of protein, etcetera number one. But nana's you will never find anything more important in your life for me as them potassium. I was like six bananas day. Yeah. Like, it just was like made for me. That was the difference. I wasn't like a super person in the you have to make a lot of leg. Oh my God. I I still will get it in my foot from time to time that exists in me. And then also you got to cover her and conditioner before every single practice. It's a whole thing. Go get her what covered in conditioner. I have some fun swim team stories, but those all get into labor. The high school. And so I would start like started like middle school. I the YMCA slim team. And then I like went onto my high school team my memories of our high school swim team. I would just see these miserable. Wet kids outside waiting for their parents to pick them up. Right. Well, we were lucky 'cause we had to practice. We were lucky because we had to practice at the vocational school. But they were the one that had like the big indoor pool and the boys would practice before us, even though there are seasons like crossed slightly like the boys women were winter. I think in the boys were sprang, and it'd be winter. Yeah. And they'd come home for some early drop them from the free, and they wouldn't let you in the building. I guess much is waiting for their parents. Yeah. And it was like awful because we carpooled. And so always like terrible to just like be wet in cold in someone's parents van. Do you know any miss? I remember also leagues someone questioning my discipline because I I took a babysitting job, and I didn't go to a practice. Justified them. And and my mom was like five with babies this family all the time. And also like it wasn't like I was going to like fucking. I wasn't going to be a bronze medalist in the Olympics. Like, we all knew that about evacuated. No. So now that out of two so no. But I really so I my friend said to me, she was like, you know, molly's. My mom's isn't like Ma her mom's something like, oh, my mom said. With like molly's commitment. I don't know if she said I lacked commitment to the team or something and he was like second semester senior year. My mom was like, yeah. She's like fuck you and also. Moms anything to say to me. And I was like also like, whoa. What were you going to do? Like, I don't know. Listen don't fuck and question, I didn't care about some team. But I did it. Okay. So some hands is approached by a bunch of guys school Hadi's. And they really do look like did you ever see the curious Dunst movie? Girls. Just wanna have fun was one of the titles for it. But they had the flat. Creditors goes like a gang that lived in town called flat cutters talking about a great movie, but they look like flock critters which kind of like bad version of like the jets or something. So they come up and they're like fucking losers. And they're like, hey, what are you doing? What do you do all weekend? Love to know. And like this is the beginning of me realizing that she's constantly sexualize by everyone. Whether she wants it or not in whether or not there are other people that are interested in them that was not worthy to me because mad girls at school. Wanna fuck this loser? This floppy loser. That comes up to her. But she's like, okay. This is great. So she goes he goes, how do you spend your weekend? Samantha it's one of the world's great unsolved mysteries. And she goes, so's your breath. Okay. Lake. This is a beginning. A little taste of Samantha like she has to like very lame ass comebacks. But like it's so like mystifying it's like what do you do with that? I mean is she looking right. Is that her bathing suit that she still has on a little bra? Okay. It's brought her bathing. Why are you looking lingerie joint tax for toy? Tori. Thanks again, Tina hiding look alive sexualize. So no. And then also I loved I know she's a real g because she has one of her binders literally says math on the side of it. And like all the real students had that one inch binder for each individual subjects senior year. You kind of keep it. Fasten loose may keep it all in one five ring what specific meth urine algebra to those the no it'd be like, I'm no, I'm a junior, and I know what room to go to it's still fun mass sometimes people of labels, right? But here we can start a fun run here. I think with her boyfriend so. This guy walks up. I wrote here if he's not her Gabe as friend. I will be crushed. He looks fucking cute and his guy front that he's stress really well too. I really wanted him to be. I really I don't know like and he's not a disappointment. It's just like now that he's I just like want better for this character. Because what we learn by the end of this is that he's not a person. And I I was like oh my God. There's this amazing redeeming arc were like he's able to explain why he's been so attached her identity, and we're gonna like find out this amazing thing about him as she goes off in a sore into her own place in life. But no like this dud stays tied to this very mean girl. Let's do three ten to three fifty nothing. He grunted something understand. Well, you months will be on the cesspool of intellectual deficiency. Do you feel out the petitions? I totally forgot what the deadlines in few days. I know out do it. I have like six billion other deadlines I'm dealing with right now plan. Fifteen to go to college together. I a lot of that are get into the same university best friend now the IRA fill them all out. There's no sessile. None at all. I don't feel says at between these two first of all he is. So like he almost he's wearing like an opening ceremony moment like he looks a little bit like MG K at the kids choice awards right now. I'm getting a little bit of Lega monochromatic machine on Kelly cease. Cleared up to now she Kelly gun Kelly. Did you watch the dirt? No is that what it is the movie with him. I watched the other. It's not bad. The guy that has his Nikki sixes gorgeous. But like he's giving me this guy in the movie. Lucas why step is giving me a major fashion moment, and his friend had almost a little mail like sort of like modified Janelle Monae moment. It was almost like a deconstructed from her look moment. And so when they walked up, I was like, wow. Like, how fabulous like this is like this is LA, by the way. So basically like that will see in. I think that this is a problem that they're trying to college together. Yeah. That was my high school boyfriend did you well now, I just like kind of just like, yeah. Like, I think I did like also. I don't need it would've ever happened. I just think that I was very good student, and I had a lot of good things going for me like, application wise. And so my mom was like let her like fucking bird brain, try, whatever she wants to do. And like we'll deal with it later because like I surely like got convinced to go to like my family school, which by the way, I'm thrilled with but like my Boston College. I would I like literally wouldn't have never wanted to go anywhere else. It was like I am that weird person that like really loved her college experience not defined by it. Where'd you go door? I like it's the best when you love college. I don't understand. I feel bad for people. That are like that's weird. I'm not a person of high school. I was fucking like I was tortured at high school college is just like worry. I ven thirty dollars eighty participate in a brunch next month to see my friends, that's fine. Like have. Then mode. Anyone to hang out thirty dollars a month in advance in years. No like EV never, but I did because we're going to make a reservation, and you need the money from there's like twenty of us. And so it can't awful on her son. You know what? I mean, that's a lot. And like also who knows for all artists could be flakes. None of us really are artists. But so quick anecdote about applying to the same school as your friends. Go friends, my buddy, Jerry applied to go to the same school as this girl. He was basically in love with. But she didn't know and they like made a deal. Let's felicity. Oh is that how that's literally the pilot of flip them. He's live. He has lived that along time ago and. They did early admission to Vanderbilt ohi. He didn't particularly want to go there. He was going for her. He got in. She didn't it was early mission. So he had to go to vendor Bill. That's actually not what happened influence Felicity, which said she was like set to go to Stanford. And then like the guy that she she was also accepted into like, what was supposed to be I MIU or Yale. Am I guess and she at the last minute like changed her decision showed up because her high school crush went to Yale earn MIO and that end like at the time people were like, wow, what a brave girl every watch. That recently knows like Honey like she needed an intervention like there needed to be a medical intervention because they get that point your interpretation of reality of so distorted like Jackie Johnson back in the day. She was like, I how you podcast. She was like, let's Felicity like. I'm loving, Felicity. And I was like, yeah. I'm like also rewatching, Felicity. And I was like I'd love to I think is highly mentally ill. And I would love to I would love that podcast in which one of us is like very into. I was into it. Like when I I watched it as at fourteen, but like, I I was shocked when I realized as an adult there's a lot of shows like that. I think what did you have have you ever had a moment with the show? SVU doesn't hold up over the course of twenty years ten years, or whatever do you have a show that doesn't hold up for you that way said by the Bill. Yeah. I mean, that's like an obvious one. But just as it. So like stereotype like they leaned so heavily on stereotypes just because you're not in highschool anymore. I think I think I thought it was cool because I wasn't in highschool yet, and it was like aspirin. And then once you go through that's kind of the mystique is gone. It's a little different by the way to close the loop on Jerry hinted up loving Mander built. So it all worked out on my I thought like Jerry died like I literally that was the end of this story. Jerry's grant whatever's co wrote the movie I hear from those in Austin. Yes, jerry. How are you? I'm I'm so sorry didn't work out. Congratulations on vendor belt, and even more sorry that I interrupted your lovely friend. Greg. To tell the story that it seemed like ended. Nabil like, no, I'm dead serious. I'm sorry. I was in. I was not listening. I was being I was being a real Felicity had. Guys. I'm excited to talk to you about cove today. Because the last time they sponsored the show. I heard from some of you that signed up and loved it. So let's get into it. Again. What's cove? They are on a mission to make my greens less of a headache by connecting you with Dr one who is licensed to practice medicine in your state, but you can talk to them from home on a safe. 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I will vote word I love that word idyllic too. But I sometimes use it when I mean, I deal. Yeah. And I feel that they can be interchangeable. But then my therapist told me I use the word wrong. You can live your life by people just telling you things are wrong, and they're not. Definitely not gonna stick my neck out one way or the other. Let's not go too hard on it. So this man's walking like a tiny little white dog. I just wanna say at the houses are really beautiful the streets are lining with trees. We need to mention this just like this is an upper class area. This is like studio city like nice studio city. Like, no. Yeah. Note like to Luca lake, but it's like they show a mountain range kind of up against the Woodland Hills. Yeah. I was thinking like Encino or. Yeah. It's nice. I don't know. She gets home. She's driving a us little Ford number which I loved she has a nice little car. But it's not they didn't give her insane car, which I like, she gets home. There's trophies all over the walls when she walks in. And it's weird way. Actually for me. I said it was giving more insight on the idea of like a serial killer keeping trophy that was like, whoa. Like you work really hard for a trophy. This is a symbolism of that being called that. I said, it seems like a lot of athletes have no lives because they pursue their sport. In that way, the same way that when you get a trove youth for killing a person, you know, you're probably giving. Well, no, I just like was like feeling like to come home every to come home every day to like a hall of fame ceremony in your living room. Like, it's ridiculous. They needed to invest in a trophy room entry way. Same time. Is there anything more like unlikable than people are like keep my Oskar my bathroom? That's pretty hate that. And like people always say it, and I'm like, can we admit that we stopped thinking that was like leg Julianne Moore said it was like twenty years ago or something like everyone's fucking road. That's so hard. We'll do the picture with us on top of the toilet. Like if you actually keep it there. It's gonna fall in someday. Right. Or even just like like, I don't know like it's like keep that for your houseguests. But you know, I don't know took a screen shot of the right up for her. Mom's back story. Thank you. If you I love that. Thank you. Yeah. Expect. Yeah. It's it's pretty lengthy. But it's by the publication world news today. World-class Wimmer Gina Morgan wins bronze and this weekend swim competition in southern California. A twenty eight year old Gina Morgan. Once again stunned the audience by winning bronze stunned the audience by winning almost Eunice organ scale. This is the nursing for Morgan. But without a doubt, it will not be the last one excellent technique that she learned and mastered from her father made her by far the fastest swimmer in the pool where she ended under thirty six seconds. But she did win bronze just to be clear. So she was not the fastest swimmer in the pool. Why have notes on why she won bronze do are? Is there more there's more? But I don't have to keep going. Okay. A new record for her Morgan began swimming as a young child age six and says, it has changed and probably saved her life. It has always been a refugee for me. That's a typo in the article where I could target the whole world around. Sorry, not target. Forget the whole world around me Morgan gives MAs to her late father who teach her since she was little and who has passed away two years ago due to illness. I know he has an eye on me. And I want to make him proud. Those were her words that touched the audience at challenge this weekend without any doubt. We're looking forward to hear what her success story will look like then at the end it says article by 'em Reynolds. Interesting. So those are usually written by props. I actually had to write a news article for two broke girls that was never on screen. But it was just like printed on a piece. Oh. I I don't know if it was like a punishment because I was like this is a multi Cam. So that will never be on screen is. But. It is. But it was like a thing. And like, I will say that like you. I absolutely I'm shocked that they wrote that as coherently as they did. Usually it just they start writing Latin like two paragraphs any. No. But then her mom after this. We see this article taking in the glory of all of this award stuff. Right. And you expect so much more to come from this later. She goes I was expected to exceed your grandpa. So I understand the pressure at I'm sorry. But I would not push you so hard if I didn't know you were exceptional and Samantha says back to her not being exceptional in this family isn't an option, which is a MAC lir. Never fails. My mom would throw that in my face, MAC, lir, never fails. You had to take. No. That was something different. That was like, no. That wasn't the babysitting job. My mom. My mom knew I was on bigger. And better things that I was right. Staying with the Edwards family who I practically those were my I called the my daughter's I raise those little girls from when they were to to when they were the youngest was eight when I graduated so they were my fucking baby girls. So mom says that she wants to show more attention to the other students that she brought an assistant coach to focus mostly on Samantha so that she can pay attention to the other girls. So this is. Fucking firstly like it's super questionable. Suddenly if I was among that, really like, I know this is against all hiring practices. But if I was a mom that really wanted my daughter, my son coach her name was Sharon, I think in her daughter's name was Donna in Shera, would crack diet cokes all day up in the wing, and Donna would come down. And just be like get back in the folk in line like we were like just like to real sergeants, man. Donna was drilling on us. So I think there was a nice situation going on there that seemed like the way to go. No, she brings a Lucas just to focus on her daughter. Now, I would wanna Donna type to go after my daughter. I'd be like put this like just like who knows who knew what Donna was literally. Did she have a family? I don't know. Like, I don't know what she did. I didn't know what Donner dead. That was like that's you need as a coach. A coach is someone who are like once, you know, too much like, especially like if you ever coach one of my coaches, their friend from high school was on survivor net came up a lot. And I was like. I need to be significantly less connected to your human relationships because I'm twelve years old. And now that I know, you know, someone from survivor huge show, then when you're twelve yeah. And they'd be like, maybe the guy from survivor or stop by soccer practice. This is for soccer, which I blew at. But anyway, so she gets a call from Lucas Lucas wants to help fill out more applications, Lucas, a music theme bedroom, which is full. He has a poster on the wall. That's just a portion of piano keys, which is something. I would love in these movies too. Literally. It's like, oh like you have a poster of baseball narrow Hollick in case. You forget baby you love baseball. So she's like I have other stuff I need to do tonight. But I'll see you later night. So she's at the pool that night, and there's some danger horror movie stuff going on. That's what I called it walking down, basically hall of showers. Like, it's it's scary. Like what's behind that? Who's buying the shower curtain? I knew my mind is like Lucas like with like a gale application being like guess what I paid someone to take your for. Like, literally just like Lucas popping up being like, hey, I applaud you for community service hours. Like, I just saw like find every curtain doing that. But that's not where those goes, unfortunately, I really wanted her to be haunted by him. Here's a noise. And she does the Hello. Hello. Do you? Are you the type person? Do you do that? When you hear noise. Or are you extra quiet? You can hear digital noises and pick up on them. Yes. I like, so my friend Michael berry tweeted about this the other day. He's newly engaged. Congratulations. Michael. He tweeted like who else like gets angry like when a person in movies like Holo like when they're groom lake by the third. Hello. I lose my mind. And it's true because I'm like bitch. They're not going to say. Hi, like, why doesn't come when I call his name. Like do. I think some person's going to be like. Yeah. Hyatt's meat. Absolutely. Not. I would be quiet from where contexts lose you. I would be deathly still and then I kinda plot my escape options. Yeah. Yeah. She's like a young girl. So I was like you could probably like have these. Your body and get no one of those lockers. As just stay in the locker told the noises. Stop you could be there till dawn. I don't care. Better than Dieter. Yeah. Donna, honey. So she's doing her as bench in thing in the water that she does. And all of a sudden, there's a shot over the side of the pool and like just completely disregarding. What I wrote is even an elementary school students knowledge of life safety in a pool jumps in and grabs her body. Now, this is how people die. Okay. You ever the story of the two friends out in the frozen lake one jumps in after the other. And they find their bodies hugging at the bottom of the frozen lake in why because two people who are struggling in water will not be able to help each other up. That's why you bring in a life to lifesaver device in keep your body as far as way as a possible from the other person because they will grab for you. And they're dead weight will bring you down. I can vary. Barely kerry. Wagon down the stairs. When he's dead waiting on me. Let alone like a fucking hugest. Man. So they're doing this like almost like this fucking playful choreography of like, I'm fucking drowning to debt just kidding. No. I am. And like she doesn't know who this man is also put his hand over her mouth E-e-eh. There's like a little bit of like that. Like, it's kinda like at first it's like is attacking. But then it's like it could be perceived as otherwise, and they do a few things like that with this movie, where am I supposed to believe that this is a ghost or like an implied sort of symptom of what else is going on. Or is this literally what's obviously want you to think it's an attack, but nobody to save somewhat jumping in grab someone by the face true. And also like a specially person that's doing this for fucking living. But also killing killing her is no good team either. So I also. Yeah. So they have this like laugh, and I wrote to of it's very fucking obvious that this is the hot new coach mom. Hi. Right. Totally is it's a meet cute Bryson's. Like, oh, I might get a coffee after this. He's still in his soaking wet clothes. I'm like, did you even put your phone on the side of the pool before you jumped in to see her like they're in full? He's wearing like a black douchebag shirt when he gets in the Paul. So he knows who she is right away. They get the coffee. He goes toward. This is great. He goes. He's like is the coffee any good. She goes. Well, it's hot. And I wrote what seventeen year old rich girl talks like this coffee. That's like something like literally on your third day of trying to like in a man hunt. If you're a detective, you say that your life partner like hot like that's or like, if you're a single mom that's like working at a truck stop. And some guy comes in your out of beans. And so you're on some three day old grinds or some shit, and they're like a good you're like, well, it's hot who what where did she at this? I'll take you to get it sort of attitude. I don't know her mom, I guess, I just don't understand. So anyways played nine thousand nine to eleven thirty nine. I personally this is a nightmare scene like from beginning to end feel bad for Lucas. Also like every alarm bells offer me right now. Gravity. I don't wanna be third wheel mind IOU anyway for saving my life coffee. So you must be pretty good to me. My mom's approval. I was very good. Why don't you stop competing? I told my kids playing pickup baseball. How dare you have life outside of swimming? Exactly. No. My dad competed in the world's and he was president of the US swimming association for while. So no pressure there, I've will swimming. But I didn't love it. And then I got burnt out. I wanted to like. Your mind reader, your mom gave me a heads up. The whole mom daughter coaching thing, that's tough. So I'll do what I can try and create a little buffer. Thanks. Samantha lucas. Hi, Lucas grace. He's our new coach nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. How long have you been here? Just a little less liked early incident at the chicken. Do you wanna sit down you want to sit? Oh, you know, what I should probably go. No, actually, I'm not feeling too. Well. Glum nothing. Okay. Wow. That was embarrassing. I'm sorry. Not shouldn't put you in that position. You didn't. He's just acting insecure. He's he's worried that things are gonna change. Once we graduate look from guys point of view. Just keep reminding him. He has nothing to worry about. I have to wake up early. Thanks for the coffee today. Rescue. Good. So Bryce is really hot. I will say. He is too hot for like normal. People would just sending us unlike warning bells for me in every way, like I just feel like what are you doing here? Why don't you go to LA? Well, you are you see isn't LA like goats like get a room. Tom sandoval. That would've worked out great, Jack sailor. This started pump. And then he'd worked his way up to, sir. Right. He's probably bar back material. What if you got like a major job to like work for social media in Florida this whole family? You don't understand this is my dream job. Okay. Tweeting for one of the biggest teams in all of Florida. Okay. It's like a national level. But here's the thing. So she's also aged up a lot. So it's like unclear how creepy this really is. But I will tell you when I was eighteen I was like when I got to college. I was afraid of the seniors the seniors were all men like and then like, I was like, okay. Like, they're similar noth- like we all kind of conversation on the same level. But like you are so much younger than someone when you're eighteen braces. Like twenty-five right seen you always talk about how the the knowledge just. Life. Wisdom fucking crazy. It's predatory year-by-year. So anyways, so his face is like menacing, right? When she leaves don't love that. The girls are thrilled to meet Bryce the next day. They're all horned up for it. By the way. Can we just go back to Lucas? I wanna ask you. I know you wanna like tap, by the way, just cut me off whenever you want to chime in. You have a fucking gilded Colston yet. Empty house. I don't know. I mean, it's beautiful like in that said, I don't wanna like cheap in your notes by like not does look it's like like, it's token. No, I I actually like, Greg. How'd you not belittled that like, I would've actually been linking? What I want to be like, right? I'm gonna go get like all black fucking notebooks with like gold pages. That's my Scott. Rip these pets out. My own up. I'm just saying don't shut on your life. Don't be a Lucas, you know settled for so no. Lucas is we get to the end of his movie. Lucas no dignity. Okay. Keep going guys really do finish last. Lucas in-cell? No guesses an end Sali Kibogoya up to you know, what I mean? Yeah. So the pizza place there are about like thirty pictures of pizza on the wall, and as general of urine establishment, and there's pictures of the food on the wall, unless it's Asian or Mediterranean, you leave right? Turn around. You get the hell out. That's right terrible. Oh, I love low Mediterranean photo moment because I'm like, I can see that fed that wellm. You can't fuck up a well, grilled chicken a little cucumber salad. You can't fuck that up. No, I'm yeah. I love Mediterranean. Fuck ya. Yeah. Cool. If it's not there's no language barrier. And you know, what the food looks like also Italian kinda get the fuck out in general. There's you have to Finally I mean, it's take me like ten years, but I have right now in the wall Italian wherever. No, you don't get that. Where do you go? Well, go to like little dumbs right Jelena's like really fancy, but moose own francs old school vito's pizza. I all I think all those places just like restaurants like where do you have? But like you're talking about just go grab pizza just like fucking authentic like GM Ellas like is that the sandwich place? That's right by that's the best place ally. Oh, it's fucking incredible. Deidra, that's places like real New York shit. I the bread here is the problem. Yeah. The diseases in the bread, and that's really the foundation for the situation. It's actually a really nice business analogy, you know, like when when you start with shitty bread. You know, how you supposed to build on that? I love that. Thank you. So do you have any more notes on a Lucas seen? No other than she didn't even make room for him sit in the booth. Yes. Cold and. And you know, what also Batum Bryce she because you know, what she might have been in a panic. Right. Who wants to walk in catch you with a hottie swim? Coach that you think is just your teacher, but come on. He should have been very she's off like amount of threat here come sit down. Yeah. By all means, my friend is a pleasure to meet you love the kiss the ring. I love that love that in a friend. Now, here's the other thing is that like, oh, why are we acting in this movie like text is both crucial and not crucial? Like if you're on your way over to this thing. Texture wife, friend. Hey, met my new swim. Coach he's going to be joining us. You cannot then later tell us that she's able to lake reach out to what's his name. Brent? Bryce yet that she's able to like later be like Bryce like what's up where are you? And he's like texting or real time. Wherever like, sometimes we're living in a world where there's no like real time text messaging, and I appreciate that in a lifetime movie. 'cause we keep consistent. Sure. But you can't be like a pussy hound via tax. You know what I mean? You're really hitting someone up, and then that narrative doesn't exist. So the girls are really excited to meet Bryce the next day. Mom, says like listen to everything that he has to say, especially when it comes to breathing, and they're like, I bet he's like Samantha I realize now, you know, we were all like when you were there all alone by yourself last night, you're going harder than all these other girls you practice in a railway, and she says there's no distractions when you're there late at night, and he says not supposed to be anyway. Okay. So like, they're basically like flirting on the floor in a way that. Anyone would notice? Yeah. Like like blatant, and like, it's so on this level. I'm like we're coming in dirty on this level. This is a strong five. I'm going to tell you in terms of logical conclusions already on this movie. Because like if I was that mom, and I was hiring that Hawkeye wouldn't like one concentrate on my daughter and two I would never be like, you know, I'm kind kinda Chuck out when they're talking aside. So. And there's been no conversation about him having met her the night before or anything else. Okay. So this man is absolutely overtly trying to fuck her as I said one girl notice it, it's Emily she's Emily's like very pretty young in this way that really highlights how young girls actually are supposed to be. She looks definitely like still twenty one sort of. But these rules are seventeen years old like that is so young. And they're also swimmers swimmers are nerds had one girl on my team move the fuck and model, and then she went to Stanford or something, and I she's probably married to a Kushner like, I don't know what her deal is. Usually, really smart. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, totally my wholesome team got into pretty good schools. But like just in terms of like, we're like you're not like out here being like like showing up dressy on the weekends. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're usually more like. If you're practicing five days a week. You're spending your one extra day a week. That's not church dancing in your friends dad's bonus room to backstreet, boys. You know? That's good. It's very pun fifteen by the way. I don't know if you have been watching it's very to real so in the locker room, Emily comes up to Samantha and she's in her towel. And I literally wrote my notes here. And then I deleted it for Sammy further record. But also in my notes, I initially wrote like say sour Dettori on the podcast, Tori. I'm sorry. Made your husband watch, a movie were teen girls from around towels like fucking talking about sexy. Older men. I apologize. It appeared very pornographic to me at the moment. I felt guilty. I didn't like it together. I'm not a Bryant like I'm not going to hide something like, oh, Tori. She watched chat shows like a couple of thing qua-. So but a torque think, oh, like the she thinks the guy's super hot. And he's hot right? I was like, whoa. This like that. This girl's s is featured pretty prominently already prominently. Oh, that's a great ass. Right. Right. And also, here's the thing is that she does not have like a characteristic swimmer's body. No, not a swimmer swimmers usually have fuck it along as they announced legs. And then like Buldana was like, Donna and her mom. Work in something. You know what? I mean, they're. You know, but like long skinny legs also have fucking lights, drew lattes. And. Yeah, olders she was so that was my other thing is that my I could never do. Butterfly, no shoulders. I could never do any of that shed. But none of these girls in this movie really have some bodies, which is interesting because like not that they should have to this isn't fucking like black swan like every to simulate to the style of the movie here, but it was interesting because it's a lot of body shots. And then there's also a lot of tied nickel swimming stuff here. But then also they do some major stuff that the entire last seen of this movie is completely non eligible for this to be a movie ending wrote. Okay. So anyway, let's play the scene right here because I wrote. When I'm only comes up. What we're going to see that. This is one of the first of many many weird relationships at Samantha hasn't her life. Okay. She doesn't have any real friends notice the way she talks to her friend during the scene and every scene thereafter. 'cause it's I don't know. I find your someone likable, but I don't she's the Tina I'm not supposed to feel like the teenage star of the lifetime movie is unlikable, but they handled her so rudely let me know what you think guys twenty six to thirteen fifty eight. I'm trying to Twitter is. You already have the hots. He's coach, and okay, I'm not idiots. That's true Besson another to this. That's like so rude and her friends being greet either. But escalates very quickly. Then coachie comes up. Hey, good practice. Thanks, mom. Didn't seem to tough that e. Yeah, that's 'cause you're around. She's on her best behavior. Will I'm glad that I can offer something to the table so far. Yeah. Hey, mom, doesn't think I'll be ready for trials. I use some extra help. Good. Yeah. Maybe outside of regular practice. I come here almost every night. I'd like to. But there's a whole coach athlete protocol thing that I've kinda got to be mindful of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. No. Of course, not tell you what. Give me your number and I'll take sue a few videos. I used to watch Tammy families loving it. Okay. Okay. Stupid. Why do you love that? Sammy. Sammy just like re I I can't stop laughing as many hinder the phone. I could get in a lot of trouble for talking to you. Why don't you give me your number like Sammy goes like, I look up, and she's like fucking Cal cleaners. What's so funny? Sammy do you need? It's a very class yet. It is it is very cool. It's also just like when we get later into this. When we see some of the mind games at this full plays. He's a dangerous, man. And it's crazy because like he's not I don't know. Like, he's not Ted Bundy smart charming, do you know what I mean? He's like not very like, I don't know. I think that he could have done better. Again. I'm going to say like if you guys are gonna scam. I don't know I'm having a hard time with Anna Dehlvi is that her name the fucking girl that likes stole like six grand or something and like got like a Nordstrom gift card. She's like known as the girl in New York right now, she's going to this whole thing. She's like the upper east side scammer something willing. She was like a Griffin type. Okay. She's so entirely unimpressive to me, and it's like a lot of credit given to a person that kind of like, okay, you're like a cute girl. You have a good story. And that like you were able to work up. Some like, I'm rich. I'm from lake family money. Just the money's in hold right now, or whatever basically like this girl at got like, she's I called her vacation bug because to me that's what she is. It's like if you're really really rich. She didn't really do anything to you. Okay. Like, she is someone that she wasn't even the hipster Griffin where she like bankrupted guys only had six hundred dollars. Like, this is someone who kinda scammed off the elite anyway, but like people now, I guess she's getting like styled for court like she's in prison, and they're bringing in like she's not allowed to have to Leto because it's considered a safety hazard, but she's wearing like little chic blocked, dresses everyday, and she's being styled. And it's like, you know, what I don't know what the fuck is going on here. But like she is not worthy of this coverage. She stole like, maybe sixteen at most. I think it was like the. Number six comes up for me. And I feel like it was like sixty sixteen or like six, but it wasn't six million. It was like and we're living in a time of Elizabeth homes. We are even living in the yesteryear of the blinkering one of the most dynamic groups of like ragtag thieves. You could ever imagine in this world again, I wrote in my tweet when I wrote about her I was like they're treating relief cheese fucking, Danny ocean. Like, this is literally a vacation bug. She's someone that you pick up in the Hamptons, that's like talking big talk about her family money. Like, this is basically for someone for all intents and purposes could be just like an alien and a human body for six months, and then like, it's a fucking carcass. Right. That's it. That's all she could be. She's a mess. Come gone. They want they want doing like full press on her like full coverage. I don't understand why she's like trending. I think there's a bigger story here. I think she's already getting a movie made about her. And I I part of my feeling is like the styling and everything else around her that's going into that is part of maybe like keeping the movie part of her relevant where it's like she didn't steal that much. Maybe if she walks in a court, maybe if we could do the suspect world, Lou batons with her then we could like make something of this. But it was like a premature jocular sort of an optioning this like vacation bug. I I would love to see it like I feel you could be like an Ingrid goes west style movie, but not a Ono Inger great. But it's a D movie. Like, I don't I think they're going like full studio like whole shebang like big deal movie. And unlike we've seen a simple favourite, Honey. Okay. We can't talk back from that. All right. We gotta go big heist. I need a big heist now. So where are you going to joy you? Gotta do a joy where it's like, hey, I'm just like creating them up my kitchen. Okay. Like, but we're not doing that with six sixty thousand dollars so non-committal give me a crime or give me nothing. So I wrote that she seems like very appropriately weirded out when he walks away. But it's her out. She's just like embarrassed like played myself lake if I didn't handle that well in front of my crush. Again, or at here. This is where I can start to see like her bigger performance that is better than most life teen movie actresses where she's sort of like acting in a real way in a moment that won't would act where I'd probably sit in my car, and I would be like fuck like some late that Lucas is waiting for Sam at her locker. Okay, locker where she keeps. Her math binder. We're familiar. And he's like I'm so sorry for leaving last night. I'm barest you in front of your swim. Coach whatever then she's like. Yeah. You did. And then he does like, wow, you're being really brazen thing which I appreciated from him. But like it does imply that his initial apology was contingent on her also admitting guilt, which is fair, but still Lucas PA, passive aggressive. So she snaps at him. And he's like in. She goes, you know, what you've been in crisis mode lately anytime anything's happening. You're coming me full blown crisis. I don't need this in my life. I need space. And he's like, oh, you wanna break up? That's what that means. And so all of a sudden, the two of them go from Mike having this sort of like by the binders normal conversation to the two of them are standing in the middle of the hall. It's like a fucking SIA music video over there like a most shmole arguing in middle of all these people and some peop-. Paying attention in summer. Not which I love that for the direction of them where they're like, you know, what no not everyone's gonna turn around. But some people are certainly gonna look, and I wrote here like, you know, at first like, she seemed very mature in heard that was a very mature statement like you're coming to me in crisis mode. This isn't about me. I'm trying to move forward. What we later. See Samantha is that she's consistently not here for anyone in her life needs anything. So I was like I don't know like then Lucas giving this huge reaction surprising to me. I was like he's making a scene. Maybe like, hey, everyone, I'm gonna fucking heterosexual relationship, but I argue in the hallways with my girlfriend to like that's what I started to think this is an overcompensation. Another John a little bit of a crowd. But they they go apart. I guess I'm in my mind that relationship was over. He's like off. Fuck see you never like it was a bad break up. So then I she's at the pool. Again, she's cramming away on shortening those times gotta get him real down. Okay. And by the way, this is another thing. No. She has no drag suit. So she's basically swimming in like heard game days, which you wouldn't do you bless you you save your game day suit for the bus. You you save your game day suit for the game. And then like this. I mean, this is the suits that they wear like you would wear like three Speedo 's if you're trying to take a second and a half off your time, that's insane. And also, maybe a bathing cap, I or no so. Yes. So he's watched. He's watching her the coaches watch eerie comes out, and he tells her there's he was watching her tape in his office and under strokes are too short, her breath work is in great. And she goes, well, what did you used to swim? And he goes hundred free same as you. So she's very very very overtly flirty when she says like eating he can beat me and he gets into the pool they have little race. There's really sure Reuss a prodigy style beat going on in the mix. Yes. I enjoyed it for them. It was kinda like as gonna see like on project runway when they were like during the final stretch when Tim was about to come in and say time's up like it's like that music where it was like Derna, it's very very good music. So they have a conversation one on one after the race. And he's like, why do you swim though? And she's like, you know, what it's like a part of me. And he's like what really drives you though. And she. Like, well, he goes he goes, what makes you come out to the pool night after night when you'd be going out with your friends, and I wrote I would like to point out that so far it's unclear whether or not this girl even fucking has friends. So there's that right. So then she says when she's Flims it feels like the whole world goes away, the sound the chaos, he asked her why she wants the world gun, and she says that it can be a sad cruel and unfriendly plays. Yeah. When you're her boyfriend, right? And then he tells them, you know, what let's just like keep all this between us. They certainly go bit closer in the poise. Like, you know, like it's not too friendly legis keep it between us. And then she's like, you know, what I thought we weren't allowed to like meet up after school. I thought that was per the agreement and he says, no, it's fine. If no one finds out, and so then they start to kiss in the pool. No music for that. I just wrote this is so fucking dumb and dangerous that was gut reaction. It's a very passionate seen the two of them. They're really going at it. Like, it's been lingering between them for five years. Like, this is the movie you see where it's like we we were supposed to get together freshman year of college. And then we graduated without ever doing anything. Then we run into each other. I reunion back like, it's really it's passionate sex between an adult and like fucking. I don't know. What does this man? But he's not funny five. Yeah. I don't know. So something like that. Anyway, he's been her coach for two days. I wrote my notes. There's important. Remember that? So back at home Samantha's a little shell shocked, obviously, which has got some feelings going on silvery crazy thing. We've all been in that moment. Like, whoa, fuck like, I was so not expecting that. That's a very fun feeling have. It's also terrifying. So relate. So she gets testament that's like ten like colon parentheses emojis. Like he doesn't do an actual smiley. Just the riches of the scariest thing he does the entire movie. You know, there's some people that do that so consist, I'll do it like sometimes if I know I'm talking to someone that either in close with and it's just easier to do that. No like or a Mike. They'll know being truly genuine if I do it this way. Or if I'm like, this is old school internet, and I don't know of emoji will translate. But like would you ever just send it as like, this is how you're starting your text conversation? No. But I do know that there's people that do that. And I want to know why could they not license emojis? Or is it possible that some people are conscious of maybe things being copy and pasted to web copy and pasted to websites like maybe four Chan that might not support emojis or like other places, you know, what I mean like why do people because they're smart people. I know that still rely on those style of interesting, you know. Anyway, bigger questions. But I think the the bottom line is is that a lot of people. Do it just seem more down to earth? It's like a fake signalling. You know what I mean? Like when I see a person who's my age or younger who does that unlike your signaling to me, a purely that doesn't exist you have a fucking emoji keyboard route. So anyway. She starts to write something to him. I really am before she can finish that thought she gets a call from Lucas this hurts for her which is interesting to know because I was like very surprised that she could have a feeling about someone that wasn't selfish at this point in the movie. Like, I think that she genuinely felt for Lucas, which I know she was capable up after that argument. I think normal person would have been like babe, can we de-escalate like do you wanna let go over here, and to one of the many many hallways that exist in every high school in America bookcases Samantha's knows something like a new woman times are incredible. She finishes up a race. Like, that's my girl, and she gets us kind of look on her face and she's like shit. Okay. But I can't tell what it is. If it's like, this looks different by the light of day like which is how it read to me, which is like this is far less sexy. When i'm. A high schooler in my mom's right there in like also like you're older nece is showing in the window light, you know, into the. Yeah, he put some secrets meaning behind that. Mike girl. I think it really got hurt like this moving too fast now, but you would think is school student would like that. And that's like they're playing with like her. Like self possession sort of. Yeah. That's true. But anyway, okay. So after practice she knocks on his office door. Let's play twenty twenty two twenty five forty. Hang me. Wow. My head is still spending. Look, I just wanted to can't stop thinking about it. He to I've never done that ever. Freaked out right now, you know, I've never done that before either. I swear. You're not gonna come clean to your mom about this. No, no, no. Trust me. It's just that. I feel a little guilty about Lucas, and my mom, and I don't want anything to interfere with our relationship here. You know? You know? No, I get it. It just doesn't have to be so cut and dry between us doesn't. He can get a lot of trouble race. I don't regret it happen. I don't either. I don't think I can Hindle anymore distractions. I'm your coach. That's it. Yeah. Thank you. Phones people. Samantha twenty to confiscate that. No sorry. Hugh. Snower at a party scene. We're fucking killing this sent not Emily's house, but another one of the lawn white girls up fourteen. Yeah. This is the guy from the locker. Travis. The oldest brother at home that. You never come to these things. Trying to have a life. Right. I'm not a few Mahnken. Hey, I know gives you a hard time about Lucas. I think he's really sweet. Are you? Okay. Not really is here. He left a little while ago. Good. I don't think I could deal with them right now. Covers drink. Got a room off scoped out. Just let me know when sweet thing traffic, the only way you're getting laid is transfer yourself into aid. Hi. Don't here. I was invited. Emily. Okay. But you're are coach kids are drinking. I'm not a teacher, technically, I'm not even working for the school. I work for swim club. So I'm not obligated to put this unless I want to. Kidding? Still kinda weird though high school party. Even the oldest guy here. I think we're allowed to have conversation without raising suspicion. It's when you start to act guilty. That's when they start to chatter, but Emily's already chatter. It's just a little jarring when we do what we did. And then we just cut it off. Like it didn't happen because it did happen. Did it look like he got his tits done? Little. It looks like he used to be a heavy ninety ad is because there is a little there's a little bit of like a boot breast reduction oppening here. Can we say that I feel like many people say that about women? So why can't we just say flat out think he used to focus on this PEX, let them go Bryce got tits done. That's fine. That's props. Right. If you guys are whatever's aim is if you guys have out there have your tits done hit us up. Wait. I do have realized though recently anytime you ask anyone who has their boobs done about someone else's boob jobs. I recently different. And I was like oh. Tits are mad hard. And I was like knocking to ask her about it today, but I will consult another from fake titties. So I was like hey from the fake titties? I was like, I know sometimes they're mad hard. But I don't know. Like, if maybe that's just like what's up, and she was like none or no no trust me. She's like, I went through all this. And next thing. I knew like literally I was laying right here. My head was like on a pillow right here. Next thing I knew tits. We're like about. Maybe I don't know one and a half feet away from my face. And my friend was wearing a surprising lingerie contraption, and I was like dog. I don't know how much I literally never what I like. I know this are you can't ask a person about fake tits. If they have fake tits without the boobs coming out. Really? You can't you. I mean in my experience, I think especially woman to woman it just they become it's like in my store when I tell people take their pants off. I've become desensitized to people changing in my store. I think when you have fake boobs or so excited about them. And also they've surgically altered by like all these people around you like, maybe you just don't care anymore, plus your site just spent ten grand Donham or whatever. But anyway, no update on my friends rock-hard tits from the other night. Really haven't crossed that bridge with her yet. But I'm excited if she got them, stay tuned. And I yeah, I mean, we'll maybe podcast reveals maybe guys donate that five dollars page on all I'll reveal. Not which one of my friends, I think has fake tits. Okay. So let's let's go back in the movie, but I feel like there's a connection here. And I know you feel that way to otherwise it wouldn't have happened. Look I met when I said. I don't do this kind of thing. Which is why it means something to me. Samantha. Look, it was a one time thing, and I'm a little freaked out that we're going to find out about it. We agree on that. But I don't want you get from your memory makes me feel like I'm the pad guy here like Macree. I'm sorry. You're not a creek run at all. Just little weird us getting involved, right? Right. I'm good. Now, go Mingo before Quiring my start to wonder. Right. Thank you so much for listening to season for of mother may podcast.

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58. 9 To 5 (1980)

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58. 9 To 5 (1980)

"Memorandum to personnel from management re humanities never ending struggle for meaning. It has come to our attention that there are those amongst you that feel. This is an arena wearing to cultivate some plotted sensitivity to the world and coupling that with individualized experience to theoretically produce some expression of subjective truth re the human condition which serves took the fill the creator and a supposed- audience by reminding them of the still uncharted vastness of the soul. And its interplay with quotidian existence. This insidious sentiment has had a deleterious effect on both productivity and more worrisome consumption. While it's it's not unusual to feel tethered to a metaphorical hamster wheel going in circles for the cruel amusement of those in power in exchange for a few mass produced pellets. which do nothing more than keep you alive please? No this is the proper state of things. There is a hierarchy and it exists for your benefit so that you know where you stand. Your employee handbook a detailed list of accepted classifications ranked by status and and an equation by which to reconcile seeming contradictions. Men are more important than women. People with money are more important than those without men without money are more important than women with money in the public square but but less important in places with lots of wood Scandinavian furnishings or where coffee is cold. Those men or women who were not born is such should be ignored entirely no matter how much money they have etc if it is any consolation we had management are only looking out for you as continuing down that road would have no effect on the established order C. E. R. A. Nineteen eighty-two voting rights. Act Two thousand thirteen and would only result in the employee incurring financial penalty social ostracization snickers behind ones back and snickers to face ace. And you'll miss the new episode of dancing with the stars in short. Why bother? You're just GONNA look stupid and no one's going to like you and where's the meaning in that. Wow I I was suggesting maybe a quicker enter would just do this. Here's what's good to like nowhere near as this on Chris. I don't know what the hell that was. That was the same thing as this just with music. You delivered one side of the movie nine to five and I believe I just delivered the other. That's all so we are here to talk about the one thousand nine hundred eighty wow. That's a long time ago. Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Eighty s Colin Higgins written and directed rewriting. The original script by Patricia. Resnick shut up. Patricia resnick also fill nine to five Jane Fonda Lily. Tomlin Dolly Parton. Dabney Coleman a movie Chris that I think every certainly every woman who was of a sentient age in nineteen eighty today. We'll have an immediate affection for this movie. I'm talking about my wife. She mentioned that she remembers seeing Ansi counts. People would leap up in the movie theaters and applaud. And I remember my mom single working mom big fan of nine to five so I was excited to see it again. I wasn't sure what I was GonNa get the same thing I do remember. I didn't leap up because while I was censured I was still pretty young but I do remember very very vividly and actually I haven't seen it in full since then I probably I wasn't sure how it would age and and I actually don't remember I mean I'm sure it's all with my parents considering my age. I don't remember when my mom's reaction was and I don't I haven't mentioned it to my sisters or anything like that so I don't know oh how much it stays in their consciousness. Something interesting to find out for me. It's a tale of two movies. The first forty five minutes or an hour or so are so spot on delightful the setup of the three female characters Dabney Coleman in orbit with each of those characters in unique ways. The office construct. What's going on in there? I thought is just so masterfully done. It's a great height forty-five minutes then. Unfortunately this is one of those movies that takes turn away from that into the whole kind of slapstick thing where all of a sudden there's a missing body and they think there's a corpse in a capture. I'm sure it and driving around. And then they actually get him and chain them up and hold them captive for some reason. I'm still not entirely clear on and there's a whole rigmarole all in subplot stuff that to me gets away from what was great about the first forty five minutes. Yeah I mean I agree that it doesn't all work as well. And it's interesting. You Know Colin Higgins did not live live too much longer than eight and he did not has the longest career or even in that time he didn't produce that much but I'd be interested to look at more or of his stuff as a director. Because I think the biggest problems with those things actually I liked the you know they end up kidnapping him after Yongqing that they had accidentally killed him. They snap from to keep him away to blackmail. I actually sort of liked that escalation and how it mixed fantasy of having power with taking the power all of that was good. It was in some of the the execution that it was a little bit flabbier the script I think more than the direction though even within that like there were parts in that second third that I thought worked so well and we're still l. very insightful in ways that were outside of the workplace and then the very very end was a little too. I was thinking of this movie in comparison to all the president's men This I mean who doesn't think of those two together in terms of Jane Fonda Shepherding it in the same way that Robert Did yes and It was pretty interesting to read about that and how they had gone. You know what had inspired her to want to make this movie. This is one of the early films from her company. I p. c.. And it was based on a friend of Hers Karen Nussbaum who had worked with an organization in Boston called nine to five and they had different stories. They were more dramatic. More less dramatic and sort of ended up settling on this comedy and as Jane Fonda on to put it quote it remains labor film but I hope of new kind different from the Grapes of Wrath or salt of the earth. We got a lot of stuff that was filmed even stop. The Director Colin Higgins thought worked worked but which I asked to have taken out. I'm super sensitive to anything that smacks of the soapbox or lecturing the audience. You know she is somebody who's very associated with her politics but being very conscious Of that politics coming through in a comedy I think it works for the most part even though like I said there are some elements that it does feel like. It's trying to stick in established formulas formula a little bit too much but But Hey it's Hollywood. I understand why they sort of took the turn that they did. It's one of those screenplays where you can kind of imagine it working better on the page age than on the screen. I was reading about Colin Higgins. You only directed three movies as you said. His life was tragically cut short. He died of AIDS in nineteen eighty-eight his directing credits he directed did the Chevy Chase vehicle. Foul play in seventy eight nine to five and the best little whorehouse in Texas in ninety two which was also Dolly Parton vehicle as the writer or the Rabbit Holes I went down was Colin Higgins rabbit hole. When I read most of a book about the making of Harold and Maude because Colin Higgins famously wrote his first screenplay ever which is an accomplishment akin or even crops greater than the guy who wrote Heather's right Carnegie sat down and wrote himself Harold and Maude based on a film school class exercise? Just like the writer of highlander and right and through an only in Hollywood set of events ended up working as a pool boy in a home owned by a Hollywood producer. The producer's wife had put a flyer up at the film. School Sake. A pool boy needed must have car CETERA. He needed money he applied for this job. He got it and he never. It was not a mercenary job. It was like he'd never expected that it would lead to what it led to. He was there he would end up telling the wife elements of this short film. He was concocting and she said you shouldn't waste that as the short you should write that as a movie so he wrote as a movie or husband read the screenplay Robert Evans who just passed away. This week yes last week. Got The script and through a convoluted limited series of events. Harold and Maude did move forward at paramount at a time. When Robert Evans was in control to his credit and a lot of stuff has been written about Robert Evans in the last week or so sort of? which movies does he really get credit for through? which ones doesn't he? You know in Harold and Maude. He definitely worked the system to the advantage of the film and Colin Higgins was at one point attached to direct correct the film but they gave him some money to shoot some scenes and he said later in his life he realized he made a tragic error. which was he wanted to show them that he could do a lot quickly so he picked three scenes scenes instead of one and shot all three? But he's like what I should have done was just done one scene really well but of course Hal Ashby ends up attached. And what I I read. I think they had a pretty good relationship. How actually didn't really want to direct and said He? This guy should direct but then ended up making some pretty important casting decisions which I think resulted in Harold Harold and Maude. Being a special as it is obviously Ruth Gordon but court. So That's where Colin Higgins career started which is crazy. Then he wrote silver streak freak foul play nine to five and a couple of other herald offshoots In reading about it said that heroes of say in France play version of it did great and ran for like seven years whereas close with an hour to play here. I think it's right. There was a Broadway production that I think it wasn't a musical i. I don't think it was. I think he was probably the same play. But there was a harold and Maude. Musical that premiered at the paper mill playhouse K.. If I can quote talking Broadway Dot Com Headline Harold and Maude papermill. Musical delight easily surpasses classic cult film so obviously musicals better than film mentioned that. I was reading a book about the making of Harold and Maude and the tone of it is what was so amazing. And it's still amazing nineteen seventy-one that Fo- suicide element that occurs so much throughout Harold. Maude right you meet the main character. We think he's hung himself and he's just staging a series of suicidal pranks to try and get a rise out of his mother that fully formed tone to me is so on display in that first part of nine to five which I really love as like a comedy of the workplace of Type. I don't think we had seen before taking entirely early from the secretary's perspective and what they've got to deal with on a daily basis and it does so in a way that's so funny and so sharp and to me ironic back because it's impossible to imagine anyone other than Dabney Coleman as that character and even though it's this feminist movie you need Dabney Coleman in order for these three stars orbit around and spark off of and they're so good with him that for me when he's removed from the movie for all intents and purposes this is at the halfway mark then the movie starts to suffer. It's like one of those lessons of taking one of the people off the screen and realizing like Oh God. We can't do that. You know. We need him to be continuing continuing to interact with these characters when he doesn't really after the whole hospital scene where he talks himself out. And then there's the mistaken body thing when they have them captive. There's not really any scenes other than him just being in a ball gag in like a visual joke. That just doesn't really add much to where we're going. I would much rather seen more of them. Actually making the office work for themselves in a way that sort of only kind of shown in visual term at the end when he's when he returns to the office office we see them. Drafting the memos. And sort of saying the things we already sort of glossed over and almost a montage. Your furniture is different. There's a daycare. There's all these things like that they did but for me. Nothing is as good as those battles between him and and the three stars like they're so funny together and you have three actors offers in Dolly Parton Jane Fonda Lily Tomlin who are so different from each other comedic but really all so good. And you know I don't know if this counts as being within the realm of them sparking off of each other but the fantasy sequences you get like those also not only are they associative of the characters and I think there is also something about an I think as two men you this understanding of the anger that builds up over like these small slights let alone the big slights over the course of time and just how much that rage becomes part of a person's life didn't know you were married. How does that joke off? But I read showing it in the movie. They rival Song remains the same with led Zeppelin fantasy sequence. I don't know what that is but those fantasy sequences Elo heart looks like you've got yourself in a spot of trouble judy. Judy you've got to help me. The crazy out there trying to kill me. Why would they want to do a nasty thing like that? I don't know who I'm not such a bad guy. You're a sexist egotistical lying hypocritical bigot. It doesn't make me fouls heart award on the nose of humanity and I'm going to blast it off judy. Judy Judy coupon boss man. It's quitting time and have that on button and that coat and your shirt you need to loosen up. That's better now. Where were we? Oh by the way I got a surprise for four year roads. I am a married man but the back to your friend. I mean you may be hers in the evening but your boy from nine to five. Yeah I wanted to show you what I've got for you. Yes it's pretty good. It's very pretty but you shouldn't be buying gifts for me. Mrs Roads let me put it on. It is so bad. was how copy poisoned in a hall. mm-hmm why because I'm surfaced critical Bingo. You mentioned mentioned the commentary track. which if you read anything about this movie online you'll inevitably come across someone saying that the commentary track on the special edition? DVD's bonkers he's in it is they're not in the same place as their recording. Oh so imagine the worst over talking each other conference call. That's what it's like which is unfortunate because you really lose the opportunity to hear a lot of real stuff about the making of though you do get a lot of fun stuff because you know I hadn't watched it but I did read the On the Trivia thing. Oh Yeah it's mostly it's all taken there at some particularly spoiler for nineteen eighty whatever is identified the end with like the daycares. Think guess when one of the bosses holding this baby Lily Tomlin things like that baby turned out to be Laura Linney. Is that true story that she said it but the person I do. This is not al.. There's also another part. Were there watching her garage door opener sequence and the many of the movie which is a harbinger of how they're going to hoist them up in the room Later later on and also an indication that Lily Tomlin who is A. I think she's a widowed mom. She's a widowed mom. She's fixing the garage door opener. She's having a free frank discussion with her teenage son. Hot running the office like everybody. I thought she did really really well. I think the thing that's cool about it is like it doesn't mock down at the secretarial level. You know what I mean like. She's the one who actually is doing everything. which makes this scene where where she is passed over yet again for a promotion she well deserves all the more poignant and angry as you said now let me finish? Okay don't go flying off the handle promotion about Enron instead of me. I've got five years seniority over him. For Christ's sake I trained him a no the the the the company that bullshit at your decision you promoted and you tell me why in the first place see Bob does have a college degree really really really and why. He's away at college getting precious useless degree. I'm working my butt off at this company and in the second place he does have a family to support. I don't what is that got to do with anything. Look my hands are tied here. The company needs a man in his physician. Clients would rather deal with men when it comes to figures. Now we're getting at it. I lose a promotion because of some idiot prejudice. The boys in the clever threatened in your so intimidated by any woman. That won't sit at the back of the bus. Spare me the women's Lib crap. Okay okay now I know how you feel. I understand it understands Zilch I understand. I'm still a boss here and even though you might be pretty valuable out there you better get. Oh you're so I'm not gonNA sit here and take Lily Tomlin for somebody who is a comedian. I the most dramatic actor that is great dramatic acting for a movie like this which I thought of a trifle but it does have some real insights. I feel that the three women their situations are very different. True as you said. Violet is a a single mom by She's widowed single mother by death as she put it. She's very willing and she needs the job. She's recently divorced. And so I'm a widow with four kids. Jerry should never have died. I I'd be better off. I could have divorced versus Jane. Fonda character is recently. Louis divorced Paul. WHO's been left? Who's been very pointedly lousy? I want to be well but then she does come when he comes. Crawling liberated it. Actually in that liberated the scene is so funny and Jane Fonda is fantastic and then of course the last one is doorly laid by Dolly Parton. Who is still happily married? Shoe is ostracized by the other women in the the office because of a rumor spread by the boss that he's stopping her. Yes and she's A. She's a such a winning personality ensure we'll talk a lot about Dolly in general those three we different situations and then what they go through in terms of dealing with management and the difficulties. There's obviously a fractured powerbase. Even within the employees and there's a lot of like real insight to it and again you know Kudos to to Jane Fonda for letting that stuff be there while it's still is a real piece of crowd-pleasing entertainment also show. Jane Fonda is brilliant nonverbal comedic acting on display and some of the early scenes Jane Fonda. It's like her and Peter Fonda. It's hard for me to you think that they would have become stars. Were they not a children of Henry Fonda. I can't think of a Jane Fonda acting performance at. I'm blown away way by or that. I'm like wow. I think of her as a personality and a presence in a cultural figure who had resonance in our lives because of her activism and also because of on Golden Pond which when I was a kid growing up that was like such a big deal that Here was a movie where she was in with her father. And they were acting out some of the actual tensions and difficulties. He's in there real relationship but in this movie. She's she's given probably the most thankless of the three roles which to her credit as a producer. She allowed herself to be given the doughty ness and the frumpy clothes and the when she could be in a movie from the nineteen forties really when this movie starts. She's from another time. She's wearing these pussy bovine blouses and has this crazy hair and these clashes and is really meant to be that because of her marriage buying into this systemic thing that asks asks little of her and allows little from her she settled into that. And it's almost like Captain America Waking up out of the ice forty years after World War. Do she'd been outside of the world and then reenters. It has to adjust you again. It's just compared to the lily. Tomlin backstory the violet backstory. Even being played by Dolly Parton has elements of caricature who are just to begin with but has that Dolly Parton undercurrent of the jokes. Actually on you not on her. No Yeah it's just a little lightly sketched reached. Even the scene with her husband. Played by Lawrence Pressman who has left her and shows up in a little red sports car with the new girlfriend you know. He's like of the era that the movies in even she's like from the fifties but when she does the whole business with the copy machine that runs amok her comedic acting acting. Her nonverbal communicating was amazing. True but as with the lines in the second scene where he comes back after literally a stalking her. Here's the thing that I wasn't clear how he got to the House. He followed you from work a couple of days ago and I've been casing the joint for a couple of days stuff which nineteen eighty was considered normal. But now what's the turn in life with a girlfriend wasn't all it was to be an wanted to go back to she judy. She left in the midst of their vacation in wherever and then not only. Is he crawling going back. He misinterprets seeing Dabney in his. Get up and he then has the gall to take the moral high ground yes. What's it's going on nothing? Nobody that's go downstairs. Somebody in our room. Let me see who was that a friend obviously. So that's what you're into now bondage. What's that Bondy Jesse sex games? That's right all if it I'm into everything to get out of your guy anyways might boss boss. You're the ferry their bosses and that just like you had an affair with your Secretary Judy you. You can't be serious don't you. Tell me what I can or can't do do those days are over and I want to have have an affair or places play sex games or do. Nm's you can't stop me. Hymns uh-huh as a matter of fact I smoked pot. I can see that kind of living has done to you. I've changed for the better and the thing that I actually came here tonight to ask. Ask you to come back to me. Fat chance backed on. What you're leaving was the best thing that ever happened to me? If that's all you feel. There's there's nothing more to say the road buster. This is where you get off in. This is the seed where where j Fatah's character kind of grows up in the sense of like embracing things very clumsily awkwardly but over the course of the scene really does take on this liberated persona and I think that scene a super funny and I thought she did Did a great job with a little of Dali. Pardon as door or a Li. Oh Sweet Youtube hold on getting there now. Not Violet Tori Lee. Try speaking to the MIC thoroughly computer computer. Here we go new Orle- would you grab your pad and bring your pretty stationed here please. Yes Sir aw right there. What turnaround the second? Something wrong. Something on Madrid's. Nothing's wrong matter of fact everything's very very right. Shall we begin Mr Heart. Take alert to Vernon Henshaw over metropolitan mutual. Dear burn as you know. The Chairman of the Board of consolidated companies Mr Russell tens worthy. He spends most of his time in Brazil. Working on the jungle clearance operation off. All right. Let me let me let me help you with a million dollar tank doorly. Yes about my conduct in the office. Yesterday I got a little carried away. Ought to apologize to you. Don't you worry about it Mr Hard. I've I've been chased by swift amend the new and I been got yet. Shall we get back our letter half but could you just come over here here for second. I have a little something for you. You know ever since I made that stupid mistake about the convention in San Francisco I almost heart. You didn't make a mistake. You See. I'll just have to make sure that the next time I'm asked to go to work at a convention that there is a convention going on these scenes are so good. Yeah you know. And there's three of them where you get to see Dabney being different with each woman intern dismissive of Jane. She's not attractive enough for him to pay attention to dismiss downright mean. Oh yeah he gets. She gets his anger scorn. You know when she fucks up at the copy machine he just reduces reduces her to tears with violet. It's he recognizes that it's a meeting of equals if not she being his superior. Intellectual Was Dorothy Lee. He views purely as sex objects but because we have Dolly Parton playing the role. She's able to show us how women have to do all the work in this circumstance. It's by work. I mean she has to both do her job and also find excuses for his inexcusable. Behavior does only giving it and taking it on on as just part of what's the expression for something like the cost of doing business like this is if I'm going to be working in this environment in this world. This is what I'm putting up with as you put it like. I've been chased by swifter men than you and ain't saying like Oh it's not your fault. It's my fault next time you just have to make sure there is a conference like she's got to do that that part of the job. We now have a toll free telephone number. That's right would light listeners. To Call US money log in so I can figure out what our number is because I purposely chose a good one. What we want you to do is something like call us and Lisa message specific to that Chris? You could say anything. You want suggestions of what we should should. You shouldn't do that. You've got to watch all the way through whenever it's on things you Hayden movies. I would think that something we would have fun with. These people said. I want you guys to address this trope. Let let us find some examples to say we got this voice mail from a listener. And they mentioned this film ACC- trope call US toll. Free eight five five seven five five five five three two two. That's eight five five seven five five five three two two. That is very memorable. Eight five five seven five five five three we do now Chris. Going to record a clever voicemail thing so that when you call you're going to hear him he's GonNa figure out how to do. Have Value added so the the commentary track track chaotic. Because they're not in the same location. It's the three main actors in Jane's producer. WHO's kind of trying to keep things rolling but it because they're not in the same place and I don't think any of them Eh? Done a commentary track more. There's a lot of talking over each other and not knowing what's going on. It's kind of hilarious. It's been described as chaotic and self-congratulatory. I don't think that the person writing that meant that mean spiritedly. It's that there's a lot of celebration of how amazing everybody is everything. And there's not a lot of discussion because there's so many great actors. Also populating feeling the movie Secretary who drinks too much the evil spy. These are great Broadway caliber theater actors. That populate Right Elizabeth Wilson Peggy Pope is the the the one you mentioned a first and if you watched canary in the seventies and eighties It's also funny that this is one of those things and like you said a lot of these people due to the nature during the time when it was made their faces look so familiar and yet looking down there. IMDB page like Henry Jones for example. Because he's got such distinct to face. A lot of his stuff is is in television so I don't know if I remember him from that particular episode of murder. She wrote over here tell me he was on. He was not on Columbo but he was on Mrs Limbo with Kate. Mulgrew Kate mulgrew. Yeah but you as a Colombo Fan yes. Well fans putting it mildly but something. I reserve a large portion of my life your head. Where do you find the time I doesn't? Mrs Didn't Mrs Colombo die in one of the episodes of her own show no of his show. Well one of the brilliant things about Colombo was you never. Were quite sure if there wasn't Mrs Kla because you never saw her in actual Colombo uh-huh referred to her all the time but because the character was show mysterious in so many ways. You're never quite sure if there was a Mrs Researching sex in the Mary. Detective the guy who he was in candyman that was the opposite. He was in couldn't find that but when reading about I read that there was also an episode came. I guess one or two later like Farewell Mrs Colombo which I think the description made it sound like she did die? You know I'd have to look up. Farewell Mrs Colombo and Remember. Did you watch Mrs Colombo the TV series now because that to me he is a demarcation point. Here where your love for Colombo. Jews is going to be tested. If you decide to go well down the spin off this this is my question is Browner Mrs Colombo Fan. Probably she solves crimes as a reporter raising your little daughter which does make the question like did they get divorced. I do we as viewers as friends. Do we have to choose. who were on the side of the remake wicker man? It's best just to pretend it doesn't exist. What does that what does that? What is that Dolly Parton yes. JABBA MURAT FROM RADIO LAB has a new podcast about Dolly Parton. I just got into this last night. L. Listen to the first two episodes. It's stunningly brilliant. What's it called Dolly Parton it's called America. I highly recommend this for people. It came about because Jay album rods father ended up treating Dolly Parton in Tennessee hospital and he became friends with Dolly Parton and through that Jad got thinking about Dolly Parton and attended a Dolly Parton concert and was struck. By how this one figure had brought together many of the factions of American life that typically nothing in common mega hat wearing trump supporter and drag queens dressed as Dolly parton example. This podcast investigates her life. which is incredible talent and the pain and sadness at the center center of a lot of Dolly Parton music and Public Persona? And that's one of the things that is lacking in the commentary if you don't figure out how to get underneath it you're going to get from Dahlie a very polished performance. Even when she's talking in an ad Lib setting like recording of the metairie which is very her though. It's heard her interviewed before. I haven't listened to the PODCAST. I listened to somebody else talking about the podcast closer now but in that they were saying that quite a bit is spent on her role as a feminist earnest is sheer isn't she a feminist. I think is very interesting especially considering the public persona that she does put across which she's very conscious and she talks about how conscious of it she's an entertainer minor through and through in the best way possible because I don't think she ever sacrifices her intelligence or dignity even when she allows herself to be a part of a joke. Exactly there's also a generational difference Moore's as to how you view feminism as a feminist depending on where you are in your life your living but I think one thing that you do find if you read quotes from her and listen to her is there is a steel spine at the center of it that is unbending and whatever other people might put on her take away from her or assume they will well of course always be wrong as people who do that always are but it will never hurt her because there is a strengthening intelligence the persona of her and her real personal life. are distanced. Talk about how her husband is never seen younger and yet at the same time they're one in the same it show business and then she says in the podcast cast. He's trying to ask her. Did you ever bother you to be the butt of so many jokes and she said no because I figured looking the way I did they were GonNa make jokes anyway so I might as well make the Joe and I'm in control the situation and on feminism thing. It's funny the first episode. The first half sort of does a nice little historical getting us up to a certain place and then the second half of the first episode can it gets taken over by some of the producers of the podcast talking about feminism in their own experiences with feminism only to then arrive at this critical interview point with Dolly. Where Jad do you consider in yourself? A feminist pops the whole balloon. That had just been inflated saying God no like she will not have that label. Of course. It's much more nuanced. You can't be the kind of wounds that she is the strong negotiator. The star the right without being a feminist in the sense of taking care of herself as so two is all about her relationship with Puerto Wagner ragner. WHO's TV show really made Dali Star in for whom she wrote the Song I will always love you play you a little bit here Chris? I know you probably don't you're not familiar with it I hear this a lot. This version people keep sending me links to the the Dalai version whichever or the Houston version. Just a lot of people will always love me. Oh I see. I didn't get the joke. You remain took a little for takes. The podcast makes the point that this song has been hit in three different decades. A number one hit in three different decades very hard to think of any other song. Where that's the case? Are there three different versions or is it her. Assumedly the Whitney Houston one an and then the AL version on the commemorative flopping forget also went number one number one what. I don't know what the three versions died. I just heard it on a podcast Chris. Good enough chat in at in go figure it out anyway. Check that as if you have time to listen to another podcast other than this one that you're hearing we're not some fancy NPR. Jabba Murad. PODCAST so I get it but if you're GONNA listen to we're not going to slow anything down or throw in other voices voices in overlap. And what did you say about what it was very interesting. There's no yeah it's a good podcast and Dahlie is having in a moment and the sheer talent. The acting the ICONOGRAPHY the humility. But as you said the steely spine all on display in this her first movie payroll which is pretty amazing and you know what movie Lily Tomlin did before this of the full cast and crew cinematic universe. Yes it was well if you look it up of course you know asking you if you recall now no recall. I'm still stalling so that I can look it up myself look more no NCIS. I hate hard. Did she do an NCIS. Yeah it was moment by moment. Of course which as you'll recall was the second of three films that John Travolta Owed Robert Stig would after Saturday night fever right. Yeah Oh wow that is going back lily. Tomlin plays a lonely socialite and Travolta a young drifter to enter into a the May December. Romance Wow I haven't seen it okay. Answers that question. Have you ever seen Iheart Huckabee's I saw it when it came out and of course I've seen the infamous in the car scenes behind the scenes with Russell. Losing his fucking mind. I forgot it was the one thing that I remember from the movie itself was. I'm not a particularly only physical comedy person. Yeah but there is a scene where Lily Tomlin just trying to sneak up on something and there's a cross a lawn and the sprinklers going just trying to time it just like okay it. And then she starts writing the exactly worst sneaking ads getting slashing and Sprinkler and sounds like a dumb bit to describe it but she just she just makes it. She's she's so funny. On the commentary track I relate because she's like I think this was my first movie and they're like No. What are you talking about your in Nashville Bill? And she's like. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Could you forget so she had done Nashville. The moment by moment I also Chris I haven't seen grace and franky either of I. That's her reunited with Jane Aim Fonda. I'm sure I think it's pretty successful. So there's probably GONNA be a lot of people who are like you guys. I was actually talking to somebody in the office. who was saying how much enjoyed a really? Yeah she did do. The voice voice avant may in one of my favorite movies of two thousand eighteen spiderman into the spider verse. Now did you know this is totally an excuse to revisit. My Childhood Chris. I apologize in advance. I appreciate the warning. You're familiar. With Lily Tomlin character Ernestine. Yes Which I believe she did on Ronin Martin's laugh in but you also did on one of my favorite shows as a child the electric company? Aw bringing it's the huge part of childhood man that's like basically tune in turn on and drop out for six year olds. I saw that she had played Ernestine on that. And I thought Ooh I get to play the electric correct open. You have to just give me a little. which by the way speaking of cutting things in and out? I was heartbroken to listen to this week's episode which is now three weeks ago episode that we recorded when we released it. Wait if this. Does it sound like this week. We're recording so so weeks when people are hearing this that we're doing right now. This is coming out in two weeks. Okay so so if you're listening now it the episode that I'm referring to right now came out three weeks ago two weeks ago which one was. It can't even. Yes our Halloween episode. I know we went a whole fascinating place and you cut the whole thing out. I can't remember what it was now heartbroken yesterday. When I I didn't hear the trailer faces PAG Anini Phil God? How could you cut that out? The director of Candyman Bernard rose directed a film about a Pagani seriously. How did you make time for that? I you played like to forty minutes of my stupid rant about the palm sweat commercial cut that and how put in a minute of the PAGANI. I thought if I took even a second out of that house like my head would get lopped off really letting this go every beat on this commercial. Yeah but it actually works because it was. It's a funny. It's a funny bit but also it's funny for even need to listen to what degree degree of obscurity I will go into and you were like. Is there any other any other tests or are there any other critics. There's this guy. So that have occurred that epic section itself. Well like if we didn't have bomb squad. I think we have to trailers You want it's good to have some things that just never were Christmas like yeah. Oh Yeah Oh yeah good to have a lot of things. When you you think of Jane Fonda what are the? What are the roles you think of I think of I think of her workout? Which Ju just because of how my age? Yeah that's the first I would hear of her and just think of her her about that. I did not watch it but I did have sisters. who used it So that I remember Klute Klute is probably the actual clute barbarella are two performances. I have seen and those are so vastly basically anything sort of sexualize. You'RE INTERESTED IN I. I mean in general. That's my that's where I live three live but yeah those are the two those certainly the two biggest Ryan I was GONNA say. There are so very different with nine to five and on Golden Pond. `and clues probably the probably the three most famous roles for her China's syndromes pretty good. That was a role written for a man. They know that. Not just for a man but for Richard Dreyfuss really yea down. The role was rewritten. Is there a movie we've done with Dreyfuss didn't drop out. I think he was never considered from Roy. Scheider choppered in its. I'd like to do what we're really actor. You know what actually movie. I really like speaking of childhood and I saw this with my mom electric horseman. I've yeah which is a Sydney Pollack. Movie with Redford and Jane Fonda read plays Rodeo Star past his prime who steals company source and rise into the desert with a feisty reporter accompanying him. I haven't seen in a long time. It's just so of this moment in life and I always thought I liked that Redford. Was this kind of like broken down wreck and then only comes alive through the act of stealing the horse and running away with it and she has a nice little arc as a reporter. WHO's only Kinda out for the story to begin with right but then of course falls in love and right? It's good. Yeah I mean it was good in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I don't haven't watched it since by Jane. Fonda Dolly is just such an incredible presence. She's looking the more than her. Acting I suppose is her activism and getting. She's had twice a week. You're doing a hell of a lot more than I am for the call and that's for sure but she's also so fun and finding I think watching her talk now is so much more revelatory than hearing from back in the day. He's a really fascinating subject. Now there's been a couple of like later in life interviews that she's done that are longer form that are really worth checking out because she had a crazy life and the whole Ted Turner thing and like you said she is of Hollywood royalty that could easily turned into any number of things but the fact that she took that privilege and made the most of the privilege and physical beauty you know she had been a model. She's like stunning to look at but she did not sort of rest on that or make her life through about that. She made herself so much more. You know without impugning anybody's politics. She became very unpopular with the large segment and Armenians remained so stance against the Vietnam War. And I'm more specifically going and posing with the Viet Cong in Vietnam. In fact there was an antica which I just think this seems like so very her. A Vietnam veteran saw her at a book signing and Spit Tobacco on her. The Guy got arrested for assault. She didn't fuck in blink. She's it's like wiped it off. CAPPUCCINO stand up. She was stronger than again. I don't WanNA saving better at the guy you know. He obviously feels passionate but she kept with what she was doing. There's there's no like no invectives. No she just kept doing what she was doing. And I think that is such an admirable quality and on the other side of this I read an she also revealed on her website right that she bathed in the ashes of her Golden Retriever Roxy when she missed the contents of an urn for bath salts not realizing which were until she saw a bone in the water. That's that's what I'm talking about Lake Late Life James. That's so great you know. I don't know that I would have the wherewithal to reveal that if I did it. But it's actually like who the fut- it's fascinating to think of. All the things that people kept offering her that you turned down. Every decision has a lot that goes into it but she. She turned out a lot of roles that went to Faye dunaway including Bonnie Bonnie and Clyde Chinatown on of course for all EU toddlers out there. She's the voice of Shariq. Olena of your new. I knew her from somewhere. Let me a free Chris. Because I have an eight year old daughter. and Time Demi Coleman I mean God he was so fucking funny any Dolly says in the commentary track. You love him even as he's horrible and the thing that he has in there are kind of trying to figure it out. 'cause it's true. Oh he does and says horrible things in this movie but there's some element of his personality in his acting that allows you to just feel warmly and think he's hilarious malaria. I think even the scene that we played where he has passed over violet for the promotion. It's not I mean he's terribly boy. He does not go overboard with it and and he has this like assuredness that it almost makes you think like Maybe maybe he's right. Maybe it's also that he's willing to undercut himself in the scene with the slapstick. Dick Business without chair not working falling back the way that like Dolly leads with the joke about her yes it she's making before you can make it. He also POPs his own balloon before you can. Yes so in that scene with violent. Just when he's at peak chauvinistic asshole he tries to sit down and be all pompous and then his chair breaks he. Does this slapstick bit. And that's the part of him that I think is so brilliant when he's acting he's aware in a way that you can see but it doesn't get in the way of the thing that he's leading with. which is the chauvinistic asshole Stein? They're like I always think of him in these roles very similar to this being like a person Persson not just a smarmy guy but somebody in charge yes. He was not quite as with it as they are under the trademarks. Says you should place characters that are quote up your oh good often swamy selfish nervous person with money. That's out for himself and third his mustache. Yes never underestimate the power or a good mustache view had a mustache. You're acting roles. Maybe I should know your your aging as we all do. Maybe as you this last third of your shelf life as an endure will low might be time to try a baby. I mean Gerald mcrainey. And he's in Coleman reaching out of the business. Whatever Sam Houston's name Lee Horsley horsely Tom Celik yeah? He's got all leaving. The next this generation cherish it's in Williamsburg acting mentor and friend of Simon Baker. Yes I like. Simon Baker whatever happened to Simon Baker. I think he took the money lien ran. I don't even know what. He's good in margin call but you love marching. Have you seen it no good movie man here ear. I'd like to know what else is the rainmaker. No no the other residents know the other. JC shandor movie offered on a boat. Did you see that no god. That's good Chris please. Work with me are gift where I was watching this and enjoying it anyway. I like Simon Simon Baker. You're referring to the mental list money. Yes yeah isn't Simon Baker Australian. Yeah you don't get the high ground. Maybe he went back. Maybe throw. You're talking anybody isn't he'd never left he's he's not gone anywhere you you have been missing. What a way? What have I been missing? We use on the mental from two thousand eight to two thousand fifteen. Yeah that's four years ago. Then then he did a movie called breath yeah never heard of that directed it after developing. Oh breath that's based on the book. Did you sorry this is a really well regarded novel about a teenage boy and his friends. Who forge a unlikely friendship with an older surfer? I don't think the movie he was quite successful. However it does star my girlfriend Elizabeth debate year? I was GONNA say like you're only saying this. When's Elizabeth DeBakey coming back on screen? Let's say Peter Rabbit to the voice of mops which isn't quite the same thing Tenet filming twenty twenty. The plot is is unknown. It's a Christopher Nolan film. Robert Pattinson great actor. Yes Lisbeth DeBakey. Aaron Taylor Johnson Isn't Aaron Taylor Johnson. One of the kids from that. TV TV show with Tim. What's his name? I don't know he was kick ass kicked. I thought what's her name was kick ass female. No what no kick ass. Yeah isn't that what's her name. Kick Ass Nigga you gotTa Nicholas Cage with the mass. It does have a girl in right but it also has a boy with them ask always the boy and he's the main character. Oh I thought I always assumed she was the main character. Here's a good so it's not as good as the comic Nick Cage. Awesome talking to me. What else are you going to say? He doesn't Adam West impersonation in the whole leg brigantine intentionally. or Oh yeah yeah some of the other faces that are in ninety five. It's populated by depot. I feel like she was on every seventies and eighties. TV show as well. There's got to be a Colombo in here somewhere. Well I bet if anybody if it's not and I'm not GonNa make Mac do a Mrs Colombo cinematic no matter givers. Don't worry people Elizabeth Wilson as Roz. I think she's the one who has like some serious theater. cred American Academy of Dramatic Arts. Where where have you studied? Chris what do I say acting island run studied with I study did gum acting on the streets. They're studying involved. It's like you're not really studying being. Let's say working go read. This sounds better than practising practising is more what it is that you're doing. You know I mean. There's you know reading the script and thinking about talking about it that's involved. That's how you're getting into. I've never been acting is what I think it is. What a shock you go into like a small theater and there's like some people grouped around a stage? It's your turn so you're on stage acting teachers like let's take it from the top and you do your scene and he's like like okay here strip that away. Just give me what's inside. That is what it sounds like an acting class AM I. I've got it right. I mean would barrier the Kaminsky method did with anyone episode of those with show you. I haven't seen the Kinsky method is that good It depends if you like old people things. It's good. Yeah Mary and Mercer who plays Dabney Coleman's wife life. Oh my God. She's amazing. She is amazing in general And she has such a distinctive face and present a gosh. She's hilarious funny. Did you reminded me of nickel. Let out of sight in the sense of like I can't tell at first if she's in on the Joe Yes yes and get going through her. IMDB page I. I just can't tell which of her many many things I remember her from Mary Hartman. Mary Hartman I mean I think I remember from that a good comedic player on a lot of of yes seventies and eighties. TV show things probably better than much of the material. Living living is about like cocktail waitresses. Oh no I never saw that arm. I remember eleven that show. I have a little piece of Trivia for you. Oh Yeah Yep that's related to the movie and not about Laura Linney. Yes but I want you to listen to this yes. That song was originally called nine to five and came out in the same year whereas the movie nine to five and then when the song which was a massive hit in Australia which of course Sheena Easton native country that was retitled morning train green and this is what pop music was in nineteen eighty. Chris that's why I needed Nirvana twelve years later. This I was tapping my toes. It's a great song are you saying it's Kinda Corny. It's not very fight the power but she needs to choose a big deal. She British Hershey Australian. I don't know I was looking at the nine to five childish Scottish. If he's not Scottish clap nothing. You're right I was just trying to resist making another highlander joke because I think three in one episode. You know what that reminds me did highland today. We're actually watch the highlander. Listen to the highlander episode. Is that one of our more popular. I thought it was going to be released that it was like. Oh Yeah it's it's going through the roof through the roof. Let's see tailender. It's okay it's not. It's not one of the. It'll be sleeper. I'm sure we'll check out the top five episodes of the podcast. You're number one Bohemian. rhapsody of course number two jaws of course number three three. You'll never guess monkey chats correct number four. You'll never yes. You'll never get to be last Unicorn but I'M GONNA missile robocup no the ballot. Buster scruggs. Oh you know what I remember seeing strange among the many things. I've learned doing this podcast with you. That episode taught me something very fundamentally important about yourself. Which is I'm always right about movies? No light it taught me. It taught me that what you hear and what you think are not always true. Boy Is that right. I'm not talking about myself. No I'm with you. I agree that movie came and went as far as the conversation. Starters on the Internet are concerned. It wasn't a Bohemian rhapsody however he was vastly popular film and vastly popular episode of the podcast. Just goes to show you that what you're dead. Sheep will oh he's not necessarily what's really going on. Remember that that's a good point. I think though there might be the overlap between Chins scratchy Cohen. Brothers enthusiast's podcast listeners. Maybe crisper doesn't explain. Monkey shines or National Lampoon's vacation which is the fifth most downloaded episode. Ever of the PODCAST. I anyway. Marian Mercer love her. I think she's like what we would call that guy in a male actor. I don't know what we call it in. I don't like saying actress actor so so that woman just doesn't have the same ring as the character actor Guy But she's indispensable. I like that kind of actor because this sort of thing is like she does. Is this thing and it's like if you do that. And it gets known people need that in movies quite a bit. I think like Dabney Coleman. There's something about her. I think because of her height and her thinness there's a sort of regal bearing that she has and yet she has such a comedic sensibility. That yeah she can seem high status but it doesn't feel threatening in the same way. Wouldn't be for soap. Opera would well in a comedy like this. Of course Erling Hayden for crying out loud is in this movie weird. Yeah I mean it was. It was not the best. Ask Part of the movie but it was also fleeting one scene. Sure literally odd scene. It's an Colin Higgins. First of all who who was the director and writer but did not play Wedge Antilles in Star Wars now. I don't know if you've noticed that was that what he's listed as. Yes yes and no you see. There was another Colin Higgins who is one of the three actors to play Wedge Antilles Shoe that we're actually in a new hope. Can we get away from Wedge Antilles his instead of the guy from local euro. Save this guy named Colin Higgins who are then got to be known in the Star Wars community as fake Wedge Hogshead TAT dogged him for the rest of his life and then ended up dying years ago so he died too so there are no existing. Well Count Gins is dead this colleagues. Yeah they're no Colin Higgins's left but the other Wedge Antilles until he says we believe me I- Chagrin the day that I decided to funny Wedge Antilles Post on the facebook page. which you every day I get a hundred notifications of additional comments? God No wonder those two guys just quit out of fear of Fan Service morning to the Internet the any he is in David benef- and game of thrones guys like you said it was a little bit heartbreaking. I don't think Sterling Hayden was great in that role. She supposed to be like colonel. Is He supposed to be like Kentucky. Fried Chicken Colonel Sanders. Like I don't know whose idea that would kind of by corporate titan. Is that the other guy you talked about Henry Henry Jones or whatever the Henry Jones but actually so I thought he was hilarious. He was a better. Why would you make that character particularly southern? I don't know who is neither so funny. North Korea probably because it was Sterling Hayden. And he's probably got an idea and the director is probably like it's fucking Sterling Hayden. I mean sure go for in the commentary track. Apparently they were saying that part of the reason why he looks a little bit Out of it it during the scene is he needed to cards to remember his lines. So Wisconsin look at me and he wasn't. I guess as experienced doing that as say like Marlon Brando Autumn. It was also again not not a great scene rushing to shoot inclusion even to the point of sending Dabney Coleman off to Brazil which is why would you got here. That's so great trial but I guess I guess in nineteen eighty. We saw Brazil is some sort of horrible fate to be sentenced to and even we. You know the the movie card rules string Bikini on him and then when he gets boiled or eaten alive or something here is appears he gets Oh. He's an APP kidnapped by what I think. I don't remember direct phrase that they use that something Yeah something along those lines. I think that your signature openings get appropriate the amount of attention. I don't think however that your signature endings get enough. I don't think we need to center them in the narrative of the podcast. Cut It back into the centre. What Chris does he plays as the last line of dialogue from a famous or infamous reknown or slightly well known film? And what we want you to do is be first to figure out what it was when the episode goes up. We'll put up a image from the film that you're talking about. That doesn't give it away and we will say who can identify Chris's final line from at this week's episode. I love that grade that on facebook facebook. Finally as a reason for being what Chris would you like to move on to our other segments. What would you like to do I How about headlines Great Headlines Headlines this since today is Halloween even though by the time? You're listening to this. It'll be like the week before Thanksgiving or something. I thought that you would enjoy the story. That for these vampires shared blood meal. Let's friendship take flight. This is the story that vampire bats. Chris might have nasty reputation according to NPR but these bloodthirsty beasts can be both generous and loyal when it comes to their fellow bats. I believe it captive. Common Vampire Bats will share their food with Hungary bat companions unions and forge such a bond Chris that they continue to hang out with these buddies. Once they've been released back into the wild Bats are very line says Gerald Carter of the Ohio State University and Vampire. Bats are the most maligned of bats. Vampire there are all like actors except that they do keep in touch. You've throw actors together you do a show we we are going to be best friends forever. And the Gun Chris. You're the bats. Need to lap up about a tablespoon of blood every night. I didn't know that if they miss two nights they get very weak and missing three nights nights means death similar Broadway actor. I love bats. I'm not afraid of bats. I would love to have about my house. Swap Christmas coming begin bat shit crazy and you know where that expression comes from People who would eat Guano for protein would then go insane. It was like mercury with has some weird stuff in it. You know I mean it's it's shit. Well I felt the shit that makes you crazy. It's like some cave chemical or something the making that up. What so am I? Did you see the story today. I don't like to do politics on the podcast. But did you see that the cybersecurity advisor to president trump rudy. Ready Guiliani Speaking Abacha Apple store to get his iphone unlocked. Did you see this story just broke today. This guy the fact that he had to go to the Apple Store Rick Shapiro. WHO's a reporter for? NBC News is living through one of the greatest two week cycles in the news. Business Because he is the reporter who last week reported that Giuliani accidentally but dialed him on two different occasions. Last fall and left these he's long rambling. Inadvertent recordings where he was talking to someone else about what he had just talked to rick on the phone number out on the record and then he got these bizarre czar recordings realizing that. Oh He's he but dialed me and he's telling someone else all this stuff. He wished he had heard on the record so in any way they publish this stuff in some sort of acrobatic report Taj. Were they figure out how to get. Is this on. The record is off. The record is a dial on the record or off the record. I don't know I can't wait to hear what the Supreme Court says. Well the articles already out. So I think curric- Shapiro has spoken. Giuliani also famously. Created a hyperlink and one of his tweets and someone was able to purchase the name of the G. Twenty Dot. In that he accidentally put in they bought the hyperlink and then trolled Giuliani by making the link. Lead to a webpage that read Donald. J trump is a traitor to our country house. There's no that was only because Giuliani tweeted. An inadvertent link and then he was spotted at the genius bar because you cannot rise. They let him in. He couldn't remember Pasco so a former apple employee who was present told NBC that the passcode mistake was quote very sloppy adding quote trump. Just named him as an informal adviser on cybersecurity and here he couldn't even master the fundamentals of securing your own device vice. I've never felt more cyber secure but it does say a former apple store employees. True true could be related to that. Say what you will Salim. Ibn Baylor Remembers passcode but he can sure abused power. I'll tell you as a content presidency. It's hard to be now Chris. My last headline is one that I think thank you know. I know that you're a you're you're you're you're seeking no yes spiritual fitness and happiness and you are someone who thinks a lot about your presence in the world and how to be the best version of yourself. Well there's a new study that is able to offer you Chris the key to happiness. Do you know what it's about do you know. What do you know what the key to happiness is how well I'll tell you know it's only care about yourself and no one else? Oh boy let me guess. Is this from the frigging Manhattan Institute. No this is a research. Other conservative institute is fine. Ran Lovers of American though. This is from. The Queen's Leans University of Belfast in the UK saying war and a new study shows that narcissists who have an inflated sense of self importance and disregard for others are less likely to to be depressed and stressed out the normal people. They looked at seven hundred adults with the personality disorder of Narcissism to determine why they appear to thrive in society among their toxic boksic traits narcissists engage in risky behavior have grand delusions. Show little empathy for others and don't experience much shame guilt. We wondered said the doctor if this is so socially toxic why is on the rise. Well the results showed that grandiose narcissism correlates with very positive components of mental toughness confidence in goal orientation protecting against symptoms of depression and perceived stress. So Chris that's the secret care only for yourself and no one else now. You know how wes scoop would you like. They're only some small drawbacks to being such an artist. You tend to be willing to do to succeed. Embarrassingly Butt dial reporters every now and again. Ah I have to go to the Genius Party. Very cheerful I Chris. I'm not GonNa Crow just yet. About how right I have been proven so far in our new segment the bomb squad because this is an emerging story just as we sit here recording yes and it hasn't been released yet while it is it is released into. WHO's listening now? Oh yes because because it comes out next week as we sit here comes up next week we have a Ford Or. We're talking about motherless Brooklyn. The reviews are in the box. Office is not yet and I want to wait for the box office to complete what I believe to be a little bit of a home run trot that I will take around the recording studio art. However this week's bomb squad and it really liked Matt's bomb squad sound effects? Did he put up there. This week's bomb squad is an interesting one and I will say I don't know about for you but this set off the radar. The first time I saw the trailer Roland Marex Midway Midway Cut. It was just a user tutors Take him under my. He was fine to be scared. Breath Pearl Harbor is the greatest intelligence failure in American history. This can happen again. WanNa make it right. Some of the boys want to fight the Japanese. Were planning something bigger. So what's the target argued. We believe it's midway Washington disagrees. Washington is wrong if we lose Japanese on the West Coast Seattle San Francisco Los Angeles o'byrne the order law need to throw a punch. They know what it feels like to be talk about a couple of dozen planning all Japanese fleet this is an affair dismantle. I know that you came glue. People are counting on. You'd be able to face anything. It's not just the jingoistic inanity. It's not just the hackneyed hackneyed cliche of purposeful walking through militaristic hallways and the bursting through important doors in order to break devastating news news with a few words. It's not just that rolling emmerick never filmed anything in less than an extreme close up. It's not just the unfortunately kind of Janke. CGI HE I. It's just why so. Midway apparently is an independent Phil over. 'cause I just learned today first of AH. They showed like a huge task of all these people and I was like really. I thought this was literally just the same guy being shown over and over and over again. It's the same guy in a greasy t-shirt and a short haircut in a leather jackets. Like all these people are poor. Patrick Wilson you deserve better Mr Wilson. I wonder what he did. That's when Washington's he's got a different finger. Washington's wrongs WHOA. Hey let's just say look at the intelligence. How about some reason they're wrong? Yeah you don't have a snake yard wearing glasses. Oh my God I guess you know. If you're Rudy Giuliani. You're probably going to see this. Look they. They are opening in on Veterans Day. Weekend true I guess in a piece of counter programming people might go see it. I saw the headline is like rolling. Eric's one hundred million dollar independent film home. I'm not sure how that works. But yeah the phrase independent film. Gets you know what used to be. The most expensive independent film was stargate. Remember that which is just turned. Twenty five twenty five years of like who cares not an anniversary. We need to celebrate but I do remember when it came out. It was almost an interesting story. But there's also so I believe director for ruined mark and he had to scrounge around to get this money to get this maiden at all sorts of false starts and stuff like that so when he was somewhat successful it was was Sort of a triumph. And I guess this is the same Maine says variety. Says he found himself hustling to get his latest action epic to the screen. But it's one hundred million alien dollar budget outside the studio system which is pretty amazing. I guess I mean I just. That's him a lot of money for this movie to make you definitely not going to get the Japanese audience. Based on the way that trailer is cut could be one thing. If it was like the battle of midway but we're presented with some actual living breathing Japanese characters who who might feel strongly about their side of the battle as opposed to just jingoistic American. beefcake but I don't think the money was spent there so anyway. That's this week's bomb bomb squad. Yeah that Looks Pretty Crappy Chris. I don't have anything else all right in that case until next week. It's a shame that this week's movie didn't date more than it did. But thank you to the women who inspired it who made it and who have never let the struggle die. You've made us all better thank you. I thank you for your companionship. The Stamina Horse Sense one hundred and one laughs. I also enjoy very much looking at your shining hair shining face. Grew I now. I think you'd like me. 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Inside The Good Place's Final Season

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Inside The Good Place's Final Season

"This episode is brought to you by veep on HBO the final season of veep was hailed by critics as sharp and always excellent. As brutally funny, as ever MTV's greatest comedy for your EMMY consideration. Outstanding comedy series and all other categories. Visit HBO dot com slash. F. Y C. For more on veep. Hello. And welcome to little Goldman the award season podcast for Vanity Fair. It's such an honors present this next award nominees, and the group to handy. Handy. And I can't deny the fact that you like me. On the. There's mistake green light. You guys won best picture. I'm Katie rich the deputy editor of vanity. Fair dot com. And I am here with our digital director, my Cogan kitty, our chief critic Richard Lawson low and our senior writer Joanna Robinson. Hi, katie. We have a full crew today and a lot to talk about. Joanna is freshly back from Texas for AT X festival. Richard is freshly back from some Tony's after parties, Mike has gone down that rabbit hole with Bob Dylan and the documentary, that's on Netflix. And in the back of the episode, we're going to have an interview that join it did with manages sinto of the good place. And also talking about how that show is ending sadly, but first, we're still think of EMMY season, the EMMY ballots, for nominations have actually gone out. So all of these conversations we've been having people, but mean seasons it's time to vote. If you're listening in your EMMY voter go, fill out your ballot and a you look through specifically, what they were submitting for game of thrones dominations, which obviously, there's we're all expecting. Lots nominations for game of thrones. But there's gonna be some surprises in what actually is eligible, right? Yeah. I stayed on brand, and dug into the game of thrones dominations. No. People might not know how certain series submit certain things, and they're sort of like an internal agreement within each series about how they're going to submit things. So if you submit episodes, individual episodes, for the directing category, or you submit individual episodes for the writing category, each individual writer can submit their own episode. They're technically allowed to do that. But sometimes there are, you know, like, just sort of unspoken or spoken rules within the show of how they go about doing it strategically so game of thrones decided in season two after season two to stop submitting multiple episodes, and like, you know, people who've been watching him. He's for years. We'll remember there were years when madman had, like four scripts nominated, you know, it'd be it'd be like, Matthew winner again. Matthew Wigner and again Matthew on here again, but thrones only does one to sort of just enhance their you know chances so no competing against themselves. When the nominations come out exactly so this year they've decided to submit the finale, iron throne and and it. It is always an episode written by the show, nurse Weiss and bunny off, which I guess is there. You know. Their choice. So they decided to use them at the finale, iron throne of for the writing. And that's it. That's all so many in the writing category, and writing is, is sort of not always been there easiest category to win. And then in directing they're submitting one episode per director. There's only three directors, who worked the season. And so they're submitting the long night, which is that battle episode that was sort of controversial with a is it too dark to see for Miguel, potch, Nick, they're submitting, the last of the Starks, which is episode four, which is where the dragon died and there was a coffee Cup. You might remember that was directed by David nutter. And then the finale directed by Weiss and Benny off. And these are surprising to me, the only one surprising to me is the David Notre one because Dave, another also directed the first and the second upset in the second episode. This is my bias like shiny through. But the second episode, I think is considered the best of the season by. The second episode is the second episode. It's called the night of the seven kingdoms, and it's where it's the calm before the storm. It's where brand gets night. It's where everyone sits around the fire. They're singing. There's theon and Sonya reuniting, all of that. So long story short. This is a an EMMY submission decision that leaves out that episode entirely which is confused, a lot of people. But, you know, if the strategy is, you know, we talked about this a lot with the Oscars where sometimes we think, in some categories, the most something like the most editing or the most sound designer whatever is something we think the voters might go for. Maybe it's the most directing like maybe you don't wanna put a quiet episode up against spectacle episodes. And so maybe David nutter felt like the one he did wear a dragon died even though there's the coffee Cup in. It was a better choice than this quieter one by the fireside. No other thing is that those first two episodes are good, but they're setup episodes. I mean, the first one is is total table setting. And the second one is like even more table setting. It's good. And you know, to great script by Brian Cogan, but I could see look, none of them think they made a bad final season. Right. They know. But I mean the coffee Cup thing is tough. That's a tough thing. I just think I think direct, Tori. Like I think what he what David under the night, seven kingdoms, even though it's a place setting episode. There's so much he did to drought so much emotion. And he famously does a lot of coverage. So there's all is there's just a lot of the directors hand and that episode. But you're right. It's not like a big splashy a dragon dies for inexplicable reasons episode, which is what upset for is. So, you know, I what about the long night the that's, that's the minute for directing. So I'm gonna go sometimes but not the battling Kingsland. You're not the but not the bells which, you know if I were him, I would pick the bells over the long night because I think the bells the way it pairs action with sort of the emotional reactions on the ground was more effective. But, you know, I I don't know. I mean, I'm there's a lot of brains at work behind this admission process. And I'm sure they're still gonna win like a mountain of awards. I just I know they're vulnerable in the writing category. I think if they had submitted an kingdoms, they might have had a chance of winning, but I also understand if you're wasting money if you're like, no it's our it's our episode that's going to go in. So that's you know that's the choices that were made. Well, it's just it's, it's a funny little illustration of the difference between the way that fans process, something in the way, the creators, do surly, you know, like everyone on Twitter is like, how did they didn't submit this episode for best writing? It's clearly the best episode and whatever this sort of strategy behind the scenes is the sort of overt reality is like Weiss unbending off and whoever else. Just think about the show differently. You know. And that disconnect and voters probably think maybe closer to license any off than right fans because they do this for a living. Right. I mean who knows? But I think you're right. Tori lee. Absolutely. I agree. I think I think the ambition of some of these big spectacle, heavy episodes are is going to be rewarded like, the, the what game of thrones dead in terms of bringing spectacle, in, and cinema ambition to television is in its final season and series long is, is something I think voters are going to reward the writing might be tougher tougher win for them. Honestly because, you know they haven't won for a ton of writing. So the writing of this whole season was notably or almost the whole season was notably worse than it used to be. I mean who had that thing that thing on Twitter of like the drawing that gets worse and worse over time the horse? Well, the comforting thing for their chances, regardless is that they're only competing with one hundred sixty four other drama series. Eligible for. Yeah. I mean this here. Well, let's seek around in the world of television probably to catch up with Joanna on the festival, which you've just returned from China. Do you live part time in Austin, at this point like between this and south by just kind of have a zip code there? I have a lovely Kanda by the river. No. Yeah. The festival, it's Osama little slightly reluctant to talk about it, too much, because it still feels like this kind of well, kept secret, it's, it's a wonderful television festival that takes place, every June in Austin, this is eighth year. It's run by two women who used to be Sistan, and we're just like, hey, what if we did, like a big celebration of TV instead, and it is crazy, the amount of talent that they get and the amount of like relaxed vibe that they still achieve down there in Texas, where you can just sort of like scroll stroll into a screening without having to wait in line for hours and hours and hours. But the theaters are full, it's like the perfectly calibrated thing and then there's a bar. In the hotel where every night, everyone goes. So you'll see all these show runners, you recognize cast members he recognize they're doing TV karaoke, either doing TV trivia, it's they call it TV camp for grownups, but it's just like it's this great vibe, and, and there are some stories that I you know, we, we co-sponsor co hosted the opening night event, which was a screening of the new HBO series euphoria. And then the after party, the panel was moderated by our lovely colleagues on Easter. I should've bang-up job. This is India's sort of big Andrea. You know, she's done a couple of grownup projects with her big entree into the like I am definitely doing adult content now for HBO, because the very explores, you know, no whole no-holds-barred look at drug use, and it's like modern day kids, right? Yeah. Drug using the sex lives of teens. And so what was interesting in that opening night is that there were a lot of fans in the audience and this little girl got up on the Mike. And she was like Syndey Oscar questions, a day, almost fell off. Her chair 'cause she was like, no, I don't why did you watch except? But, but the episode was incredible. It was incredible to see it on the big screen Sam Levinson. Barry levinson. Son is sort of the creator show runner, and he like, put, all of his it's like semi-autobiographical based on this is rarely show, but he put like a lot of himself into it. So it just felt really personal very cinematic and beautiful and a really cool way to watch it with everyone to see it on the big screen there. But then, you know, like it was so interesting because the, the quote unquote closing night event, which takes place the night before it ends. But whatever is was for the Showtime series city on the hill, which has Kevin bacon in and I was like, oh because Kevin bacon was coming for that. That's why they had a tremors panel earlier in the evening. Because there was this pilot that didn't go anywhere for a that which I obviously went to because Trump is one of my favorite movies of all time. And, and then I found it was the verse that Kevin wanted to come to talk about this timers pilot. And then he was like, okay, I'll do this, like mighty Showtime series. I'm here. So, yeah, these are just like the, the interesting priorities, I got to moderate a reunion of effect series league the league, which had you always great comedians. Paul Scheer Nick Kroll. Jason Zukas Getty aselton just riffing like I might as well. Not have been there on the stage. It was like everyone was in stitches, the whole time. It was amazing. And then there's just like cool events. It's a it's, it's both a celebration of television. And then sort of this opportunity for a lot of people who want to get into television to come to learn things from panels to interact with show runners to pitch there. There's, there's one event that's like a pitch event. So you pitch your idea for TV show like that. So it's just a it's really fantastic. And one thing that, I the most interesting thing that I learned is that in these informal gatherings that happened late at night. I'm sure this is true of a lot of a lot of festivals, but maybe even more intimately so at AT ex I met a group of young women who are all right. Who are now all in writers rooms alright assistance, who? Met at eight years ago, and they come back every year and they've just sort of their checking in with each other as they work their way at the ladder, and it just seems like it's a very youth focused festival very female focus festival, and it's an interesting way to see how maybe slowly, but surely, the landscape of who gets to make television is being changed started from within. So I don't know. It was it was a really fascinating lovely event. Like you said, I'm reluctant to fog it too hard because I don't want it to get enormous. And then you don't health by I'll I was talking to Janet Pearson who runs southbound, she's like, I'm a little jealous of the size. You know, she loves her festival, of course. But like she's like, I'm a little jealous of the sizes, Fessel it feels like the perfect the perfect size where, you know, is big enough that you all the talent, you want to get, you know, probably still comes, but small enough that it feels manageable in downtown Austin. So it's really, really great time. Thanks for sending me, Mike. Oh, is there anything that you saw this is you for you that we should be looking out for as we look pass MEC's into TV? We can watch soon sitting on the hill is something to check out on Showtime, as sort of a, you know, a Boston Adelphi nimberg from Hollywood reporter moderated that panel. And I was I was talking to him before. And he's like, he's like should I just do my boss and acts and the whole time. And I really wish Richard had been there to do a classic. Is that my daughter, and they're sort of a? Review of that show me up on the site by the time this episode is live in a phonetic Boston accent, exactly. This episode is brought to you by game of thrones on HBO summers span decades winters, can last a lifetime the final season in portrays. The main characters final fight for the iron throne. Game of thrones has critics raving. The final season is the biggest show on TV era defining MTV's greatest show of all time for your consideration and outstanding drama series and all other categories. Visit HBO dot com slash FIC. For more on game of thrones. Okay. Richard. Let's hear about your recent adventures. But you watch the twentieth awards which I did as well and Sunday night on CBS and then actually went to an after party for the Tonys afterwards. But maybe we should start first by talking about the broadcast itself the ratings came in what's a pretty familiar story for any award shows. Now they were a record low, but the Tony awards have always kind of had lower ratings than the, the bigger ones because of the nature of Broadway. What did you just think about the Tony awards as a show? Well, it was a weird, your it's yet another year where they're not going to broadcast certain categories because. You know, in the interest of time, so you didn't get you saw like a tiny little snippet of Bob macky, winning best, costume design for the share show and like Bob mukisa legend, we should be able to see his whole speech, especially when you have the host James corden, constantly doing bits and songs and routines throughout the evening that I didn't think very good. And you're like this is like I know we need some of that, but it just felt like a very distracted show like its priorities were in a weird place. And I think that combined with the fact that there just wasn't really a huge hit musical this season. I mean Haiti's town, which one like is big New York's theater world. But like it's not Hamilton. It's not something that people from all over the country will tune into to watch something from. So I think those two factors, I think kind of a week host and of not a week crop of nominees, but just a little bit less. Flashy conspired to make it. I mean under six million people on CBS on Sunday night like that is, and you wonder why like what the incentive for them to keep airing? It is. I mean they have more targeted ads. I was making joke to my friend watching the bra. Cast. I was like every single ad has been for gay people are open. And so maybe they're like, okay, we'll still get that Nisha add money. But I think the awards, well, they'll be bullied next year because they'll be Hugh Jackman and Sutton foster in the music man, which will just like eat the world. So maybe the brighter future awaits, but there was something of an existential crisis kind of hanging around the show this year, wasn't a big commercial for James, Gordon. Like his opening number was essentially a commercial for his show, you know, certain ways. Yeah. Which I didn't you know, I get like it's energy. It's in brand to the Tomlin same network. But like said something about it felt extra synthetic this time around, you know, he also did stuff that like, you know, he went through to various famous people in the audience who were nominated him as like show us what your face will be if you lose and, you know, and it's like that joke, it's been made at every award show for the past twenty years, it feels like like let's say something a little new, and then his opening number was him singing largely about television, which was like sort of, I would not largely, but there was a section where he just listed a whole, you know, Slough. TV shows. So I don't know it just felt strange in its advertisement for James corden and his show and maybe a little bit like it should have been more focused on, on, on the theater. So I turned it on late and kind of tuna, just in time to see Rachel chapter, and who was the one woman nominated for best director of a musical. And she won. And she gave his speech that wasn't just like politically minded about like having more women involved in theater, but it was really long and the orchestra didn't play her off and she just kept talking. And like I get that the pacing of the Tonys can, you know, be slower because they expect people to watch, but it did feel like our minor to me to, you know, Bob macky being not tell by society, like they do let the people talk a little bit more. It is more of an award show, that's about giving the awards and then about the performances, which obviously are kind of superior anything the Oscars can do because these are people who perform on stage. So even though like the, the host of it, aside, it did remind me of the things that I think are good. In a word shows just mostly just letting people talk. Well, that's the thing is like I wished that the Tonys this year. Year and you know other award shows which just give a little more time for spontaneity for breathing room. You know, like just allow for that. Don't pack it. So tightly with bits and stuff that you think I mean, I guess the thinking is essentially, it'll viral it'll be like Ellen selfie at the Oscars or whatever which was like five years ago, which is yeah, it was a while ago now and, you know, I think that when you see something on the Emmys, when the, the produce the director of the Oscar show or whatever like propose to his girlfriend, and, you know, crazy speeches and, you know, I just think that removing any possibility for something weird unexpected makes for a pretty state award show. And I think the Tonys for awhile has been able to coast on the fact that like you said, Katie, they have these live performances, which are great. But like in a year, when they're the musicals aren't like as thrilling as they have been in the past, you can't really just rely on those forces and so yeah, I don't know. I I'm not surprised that it had such low ratings also like in the heyday of the Tonys, right? Which. I don't know when that would have been. But while these, yes. Like Broadway shows, were, you know, if you wanted to see a theater like you had to go to Broadway. And you would go see things didn't run for like twenty five years, and they didn't tore and they didn't become giant like, you know, Torres factories or whatever. And so you would actually be interested, like what are the good, new musicals? Whereas now, if you want, like either just let it be it just feels like the theater, like everything has got broken into like an elite side and a mass side. And if the elite side is going to give it self awards based on just only talking about, you know, new good artistically, smart musicals. Then, of course, no one's going to watch. No one in the rest of the country. Right. They can't see these things they wouldn't see him anyway. That they'll never see them. So either you just have to say, like that's what this is now or you'd have to. I think it's kind of like the popular Oscar debate that where I was the only asshole on the other side of it. But it's like if you're going to try to say, hey, we want. More people who watch this, then I think you have to start thinking about how do you find a way to incorporate the things. Tourists actually go to the maybe even the touring productions of these things, which are very professional now. And are like, you know, there's a whole bigger world of theater in the US. That's not really reflected in the Tonys is that maybe I'm wrong. That's the odd thing is that they, they said during the show. I forget, if it was highest attendance or highest box office. But it's the biggest year that Broadway's ever had right? And yet, it's the it's the least watch Tony's they've ever had, you know, so weird disconnect. But you have something like to kill him October doing so, well, Hamilton and the Harry Potter show occurs child. Well, the curse child was last year. So they weren't going to have anything involving that at this year's broadcast Hamilton, obviously, is a few years old, and to kill a Mockingbird wasn't nominated for best play and what were they going to do anyway, Jeff Daniels? Do a monologue onstage. Maybe but I don't know that people really care about that. So I think you're right that like trying to find a way. I think just maybe even like the Emmys Emmys keeps giving popular shows words they don't have to be in there. I, I mean obviously it's different because. Yeah. New TV coming out at minot shell have the older shows, perform, maybe I don't know. We're like who are the good actors in Hamilton now like your way to have a category for that? You know, did somebody just start this year, and they're actually amazing. I don't know like best replacement or whatever you sound sad, doesn't it but I don't know. I think I think actors would be thrilled about that, right. Yeah. The thing that you go viral was the Billy Puerto performing during the commercial break, I would end up airing on coordin-, which I think, maybe argues to your point Joanna that it said advertisement for James corden show. But isn't that kind of like the best indication of what's going wrong that the most exciting thing was, what didn't make it on the air? Yeah. I mean, look, you have you have such a dynamo and Billy porter. You know, people love his red-carpet looks they love him on POS. They loved him and kinky boots which we wanna Tony four and you have him at this show, and you have James corden, doing at least two musical numbers and Billy porter guests to sing during the commercial break. It's. The lies. Have this incredible pool of talent. And, you know, I think what anyone else will about James corden? I just find him completely charmless. And I just I just don't like, you know, okay, one song at the opening fine. It's the Tonys. But then we have another bit where they're in a bathroom. Singing, a parody of a song for show, the barely got nominated that. No one really knew be more chill. It was just like and then, like having the self referential thing with past Tony's host. It was like guys like this is not what is exciting for people like it felt very much written for James corden, and not for like theatergoers, and, yes, the Billy Puerto thing is a perfect example of that. It's like that. That's what missed opportunity completely. We should we she's opportunity to plug the piece. You wrote a Billy porter for the musician. You got to have like it was a short piece of you had this great lunch with him very jealous. Oh, yeah. He's amazing. And the real reason for that existing is these incredible photos that the that they're out there online now, but, you know, maybe maybe lessons will be learned. You know again, I think the Hugh Jackman of it all next year. Could really spice things up. Hopefully but. You know there were some great winners. I'm you know, I think the, the, the little Goldman bump helped at least Celia Keenan Bolger of to kill if not her co-star, Gideon Glick, who did not win. But, you know, it was good that he got the nomination was nice to see Elaine may when you know, after such a long and varied kind of strange career and, you know, someone like Santino Fontana, who's like been a musical theater staple for the past fifteen years, who left to a successful television show, because he missed doing theater, you know, you know, there were there were, there were plenty of reasons to be happy despite, you know, the boys in the band, winning best play revival or whatever. Grumble grumble. I think maybe this is the year where just the host the concept of a host can just die well, yet because down the like we loved, not having a high. We're gonna do everything we can to not do that hosts, or just get someone who's a little bit more like now. And get LL cool say a word or to keep you, moving, well, this one we still don't know an Emmys hosts. So it's possible that there won't be a host for the me. No, I talked to you about that. I'm going to be away for. That'd be great. You'd be good. Hire you in a heartbeat. And I think some of that mood of a little bit of anti-climax was carried through. I went to the big after party at the Carlyle hotel that Odom, the publicity company, a host, and it was, it's a fabulous party. It's always nice. I don't mean to, you know, be down on the event, but just the energy in the room was a little bit stayed. And like 'cause I had been there a couple years ago and within the span of twenty minutes, I met Sally field. Glenn close. And Bette midler. It was like you can't really recreate that but, you know, I got to, to see Laurie Metcalf in all her in a very beautiful white dress, very daringly, drinking a huge loss of red wine. I was like that, that, that, that suggests a confidence that we should all aspire to. But most of the, the big famous people besides Darren criss who did play, I'm told played piano at three AM. I was not there. Any, any more, I was presponse was home, but the most of them went up to this suite at the hotel has during the party, and I was not granted access to that. So. Who knows? Maybe there was something really fabulous happening up there next year. Juliette Gordon was being carried around on a throne. Performing more miserable. Of course people. So Mike, your byline is on vade. If your dot com this week, which is extremely exciting. And it really takes a true legend to get you to write something. And that legend this week was Bob Dylan. You went and rested with Bob Dylan and Martin Scorsese this week. Yeah. Wrestles the word. Yeah. I mean, I'm a huge Dylan fan. I'm a big fan of his nineteen seventy-five tour rolling thunder, which is the subject of this new documentary that Martin Scorsese did, one of the many drafts of this piece that I was struggling with over the weekend started where I was saying, like on the scale, I think I'm a seven out of ten of Dylan fan, which is like pretty serious. But you know that there are people who like that. It's a it's a hockey stick curve. And yes, the people who are the hardcore Dylan fans are terrifying in their precision. Yeah. And so this film was actually almost perfectly designed to like to just destroy the mind of upset, you know, because if you were a five or below you wouldn't even care about it. And if you were an eight or above you would have realised what's happening in the film, which is that there's this whole prank element. There are four jokers as Glenn. Kenny was putting it on Twitter today in the film that. That are like fake characters or people just lying about their experiences. And I don't know why they, they decided to do that. But clearly, you know, Scorsese and Dylan together cooked it up. It's very Dylan to, you know, to sort of lie for fun and obscure his own story, and try and mess with everybody. And, and so it's interesting. I mean, I think the film is super interesting. The footage of the live performances are incredible. It really is some of the best music that he ever created into an and some of the best live performances, and I'm curious as someone who didn't catch on until later. What was happening with these with these sort of invented sequences? I'm curious what people going into it with that knowledge will will think, you know, will they think, oh, this is really interesting and shedding a different light on Bob story. And I can't really tell when I'm being messed with or will they think this would have been a really great one? Hour and fifty minute tour documentary instead of two hour and twenty minute thing with a bunch of like weird fake stuff in it. But this is a net flicks is coming out on Netflix on Wednesday. I'm sh- I have imagined. It would be in the documentary hunt for EMI's end Oscars. I don't know. I don't know how this works but it's Marty it's Bobby. It's, you know, Joan Baez, it's stuff that's happening in the film, that is that is, you know, well, the other the other issue that's interesting. Is that a lot of the footage, even the old footage was shot for this crazy for our art movie that Bob was making called Renaldo and Clara, that's affecting unwatchable. And so, you know my, my review or whatever you wanna call an article about this starts with seemingly very candid. Heartbreaking kind of, you know, exchange between Bob and Joan Baez that possibly was scripted or at least improvised in. Parts, even though they're playing themselves. So like you really don't know what the hell is going on most of the time, except when like Bob is onstage playing. That's what you're like this is real. But that's interesting. That's an interesting thing to do to everybody. It's a little bit of a mean thing to do to journalists in the age of enemy of the people. But what are you gonna do boomers, or having their last round of fun? I guess, or maybe not their last maybe they'll live to one hundred twenty at this point. But it's certainly interesting. And, and if you're an if you're a music fan or Dylan fan. You know, the footage is just incredible. I already knew a lot of this music by heart, but seeing it. There's one scene where where Bob and Jones, sing, I shall be released, which is one of my favorite just wordings ever. And on the on the rolling thunder CD, you can hear her say something at the beginning, but it's not really clear what she's saying, because you can't really understand. We don't know what she's resp- responding to. But in the film, you realize somebody in the audience says what a great couple because they had they were such. They were a big couple in the sixties and then Dylan dumped her. And then they didn't see tour together. And by the way, Joan, by as principally responsible for making him famous in the first place. She was a huge folk music star said to everybody, basically, like you have to listen to this guy is genius. So for them to be singing, again was big deal in the mid seventies. And, and so there's somebody in the audience says what a great couple. And suddenly, I understood what Joan saying. In this recording. I've listened to a thousand times, she goes, don't make myths couple couple of what, and then they start singing and Bob is so uncomfortable. And she reaches up and puts her hand on the back of his neck in this, incredibly, like tender moment, and they sing the song together and just shed a whole new light on that song for me. So setting aside, whatever the hell Bob is doing us all and Marty, and everybody anybody's trying to get a straight answer about things. It's a really cool film, in terms of just the music and the scene. And there's like Joan Joni Mitchell playing canyon for maybe the first time ever with Roger MC and Bob Dylan. Just like dutifully strumming guitar, you know, at a party at Gordon Lightfoot house, since this like, it's, it's bananas. It's, it's really cool. It's, it's fun. But I'm still kind of overcoming my whatever you wanna call it realization of what the what was happening in the film. Something else said that Glenn Kenny said on Twitter about all this is that it's kind of heartening that crews says it can still piss people off. Sway, because you think of it was such an older states when at this point, and I as I was saying before we started reporting, I'm always anti prank. But I do like that. You know, there's some some spry pranks or Nissen's score says he left to true. I mean, because remember, you know, Marty of the seventies was a was a naughty boy, big time and now he's, you know, he's like in a tuxedo with white hair at the tavern on the green at the after party last night. And you just he doesn't look like somebody who's capable of just like screwing with everybody's heads. But that's what he was doing. It was people were realizing at the premiere party last night. Like, wait a minute. This whole story where Sharon Stone claims that she met Bob, when she was a teenager is all made up. It's fake. And so, and so good for him that he's still, you know, he could still mess with people's heads, and be a rebel and good for Sharon Stone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I mean you know, I didn't really know that this documentary was coming but here it was. And there was a splashy premier in a party and, you know. And it's like, well, I guess, Martin Scorsese is really just in the Netflix business. Now I mean, this is he got another movie coming out with them later this year, that everyone's kind of freaking out about, and, you know, they got him it looks like because they're letting him make weird documentaries that have fictive element to it. And like, you know, maybe, you know, whoever else isn't going to release that movie. So, you know. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't know how many people end up watching something like this. There's obviously a big Dylan audience, you know, Dylan is a big business, but it does seem like Netflix wants to be in the Martin Scorsese business too. And like they clearly like to do these big splashy, you know, sort of just massive like getting Bob to do anything is really hard. And so, you know they like to show off in a way that they can pass a off like that. Right. It's a flex its just. What if not a documentary, it's a flak fine? But, but like I said, I think it will be have to think it will be in consideration for awards, you know, especially, I guess, when they did something inventive slash ferry. Trolley. Bob Dylan might have been the original troll when you think about it. Well, it's interesting because he, he, he was, I think he was, I think he was the victim of one of the first, like troll mob, actions. But it happened in mass media. So it took place over, like two years, instead of like one day where the entire folk world decided that like they, he had committed, you know, ideological and aesthetic treason, cancel. He got kind of canceled. And I think that wounded him and it, and it sort of affected him a lot. But he was always a trickster and a liar. I mean, you know, the name is fake. He told everybody who was from someplace he wasn't from, like, he, he always made up a lot of stuff. But yeah he gets the last laugh. He is the ultimate super troll. I mean these sort of unofficial bio pic, about him Todd Haynes, as I'm not. There is also a very Trixie shape shifty kind of movies. So maybe there's just no actual way to get a direct sort of portrait of him because he. Yeah. His skates. What's extra weird and why this troll was extra crazy? Is that Martin Scorsese did do one of the most straightforward, like biographical documentaries of him, right? In two thousand and four or five no direction home. So, you know, which is so it's like to do that. And then this one and be like, actually it's a movie with a bunch of fiction, and it is I salute them. But I'm I'm a little bit still hurting frost. Frostily. Robin Wright, Jeanne crazy salute to money and Bobby. Who are you? We know that somewhere in the world someone downloaded this podcast, but we don't know anything about you, the folks who support this show would love to know just a little bit about who is listening. If you have two minutes it really only takes two minutes. 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How are we feeling about it ending, especially after having this interview, I'm actually feeling really good about it like not in a, I don't like this show, and I don't want it to be on anymore. But so many just into who plays that lovable dope. Jason Mendoza, it's funny 'cause so this is an interview in two parts. This is the part there's an interview that we did before the news broke that the good places ending. And then the interview we did after I found that out. And then I went back and listened and he was like, for however long, we may be on the air as like ooh, good, you knew it was ending. That's your job. Anyway. Frank episode or. But he talked a lot about what that final season will be. And he compared it to nNcholas sparks movie, so, you know, get your tissues ready. I guess, but he also made the pitch that like you know what this show has done, and what a lot of Mike sure's work does, you know, because Michael shirt does not only the good place, but Brooklyn nine nine parks and recreation etcetera, etcetera is cast in a way that really breaks through a lot of the boxes that we put various people in. And so, you know, for for manages into to play the like dopey honk, which is usually, you know, a blonde white guy, I think has really opened up opportunities for what he can do next as an actor. He's going to be in the new top gun movies. That's like that's a great next move for the guy who plays Jason Mendoza between this and the anecdotes about miles teller, it can having endless topgun viral marketing. I do it can't ready. I feel the need for speed. Yeah. So, you know, and then he's just excited about the opportunities that, that kind of the inside the box casting, I guess we'll present. He also talked a little bit about craze Asians, and always be by. Maybe on Netflix somewhat that's sort of doing for, for Asian actors in Hollywood in terms of opportunities. So, yeah, I'm feeling kind of I mean, I'm I wanna dive into the interview, but I I'm feeling really good about a show ending on his own terms. I felt a little mixed about this latest season three of good place. It felt like it was wandering a little in the middle. And so I but I'm really now looking forward to season four the final season because I feel like it will just be an intentional drive to the end. And those are my favorite seasons of televisions to watch. Yeah, I think I feel better just knowing the NBC has signed this massive deal with Mike. Sure that he's gonna keep making shows, and we'll have a lot coming from him because it's his voice, I think, more that I would miss more than the good place, it self and which. Like you. I think I'm excited to see them ended the way they want to what's Reynolds. Listen to your interview with managers sinto. Adriana. Hey, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. How are you in great? Thanks so much for chatting with me. I really appreciate it. Let me start by asking you something that I like to ask good place actors which is okay. How much of an expert are you now in moral philosophy? And if not an expert, what is something that you've learned from the show. I'm definitely not an expert and moral philosophy. And I wish I was like I don't really I was like we've gone to, like, yeah, I guess almost four seasons now. And you'd think it'd be, you know, teaching a class on a lot of see, but no, it's like it's so different. I don't I think I have the I get to see I guess, I get to kind of get away with not having to know as much because of my character that makes any sense, and he could. Yeah, I'm the guy that, you know, has has to like, you know, bringing the jokes just the jokes in general. It just to make everybody laugh and take their minds off of that of the heavy stuff and they show and whether it be in the show or just talking to, to Mike and the address is I feel like maybe the question about what makes it truly good act like what makes it truly good person. And I think I've come to believe that if you can really do something good for, for. For somebody like, would it be good action, or, you know, volunteer or something, and without having to try and look good? That makes you a truly good person like if you can do something without like 'cause my talks about how or TED talks about, like going to Starbucks and tipping the, the barista, and then not actually waiting for Greece to look at you before you pick them and terms of what true move makes it truly. Good person is is, is not seeking any reward when you do something good for other people in that you mentioned that Jason's role on the shows sort of bring this lightness this, like adorable immaturity to sometimes heavy sitcom, but so much of the show is about this progression of these characters this emotional growth of these characters. What is it? What are the challenges of keeping Jason sort of, like pure and childlike and fun? Which we. Love for him to be and see him grow, along with the other characters. Oh, yeah. For sure. I think it I mean the biggest thing is from the beginning, it was has always been trying to stick to the truth and back could be interpreted in many ways. But I guess what I'm the point I'm trying to get across is that trying to stick towards like the truth that Jason feels like to not play towards the joke or to try and be funny, but really, you know, dig deep into what Jason really field and, and he gets his troop, with whatever that may be and kind of figure that out in and stick to that, because that way, it won't come off at stake. My I remember when I first started on the show, I kind of do all these things, and like, and I see the joke in a way that would really make sense. But I remember just my coming up to me and just like I'm that's great. That's great and everything. But, like let's just make sure that, you know, it's, it's truthful, the and the way you say it, because people can tell right away, when you're trying to be funny, or when you're trying to, to make them laugh and the emotion behind behind like the words and even within the joke, then that makes it just so much more impactful. And in terms of like trying to make Jason continuously grow mostly. I think I mean that's in credit to I mean, how big are, that is, is the victim writers, they're, they're constantly, giving me different challenges and, and, and just kind of studying from from how Jason went from from season one to two. Now these in four and the things that I'm doing I can see that. Writers have been mindful. I was reading an older interview you where you were talking about how maybe contrary to what it might seem onscreen you're the most serious person, onset. And the reason you gave and this was a while ago. This interview the reason you gave us at your sort of afraid of losing your job. So you like wanted to take on that is that is that something that's going away. Now that you're in season four. And if so, when did you stop worrying that like any second this opportunity might go away from you? Oh, no. I don't think it's ever going to go away. So. In the back of my mind, like I'm just, you know, I swear they have, like a backup Jason does ready to go sometimes. But, but. Darcy Kim just play Jason. I knew that you have done that. I knew I knew I shouldn't. She hope I couldn't do that, that will. But yeah. She might be she might end up taking all our jobs by the end of the day. But yeah, it's I don't know. I think I think that fear. And so is good. You know, 'cause like for me, it kind of pushes me to do better, and like the be ready and, and, you know, to not make a fool of myself, even though my job is to make a fool of myself, which is really Roenick and weird. But yeah, it's I don't think it'll ever go away in that sense, which, which is a good thing for you in season. Three what was your favorite? I don't know storyline or episode for you personally to work on. When we get to go back to Florida. That's always that's always a fun time. I I laugh even you got. You got to meet my dad donkey, Doug, and then we got to play not only with mentioned Edo plays, don't you, Doug? But also with one of my favorite human beings. Doug of Eugene Cordeiro place co boy. Oh man. That day went by so fast. We just we just had so much fun and yeah. Like I keep saying the producers keep joking as to that we should have our own little sitcom, or spin off or something like the Florida men's project or something like that. Why don't you talked about how like, you know, your role in Eugene's rule, and really subvert stereotype of a lot of the? Asian characters that we've seen on television up until the good place. And you've also talked about the kind of roles you would be offered before the good place. And how different they were from Jason now, you're gonna be in the next top gun movie this, like, are you seeing a difference in the kind of roles that are coming at you in this post sort of good place experience. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely there, there's this shift. That's happy. I mean, I just, I, I just, I think it was yesterday that I just watched always be my maybe with minal park and now he long and. Yeah. You know, like you, I don't think I actually seen on com with two Asian leads. I mean other than crazy Jj but I mean that that was just last year. I mean, it's you know, there's this emergence of diverse talent, whether the, you know, Asian or not like it's, it's a great time to, to, to have these diverse stories in I, I am so lucky. I'm so lucky to be doing this at this time because I mean, it wasn't easy for the Vermont heroes, and the people that I looked up to go through the industry during the time. And there's definitely a lot more opportunities out there and it's just like it's just a matter of all these things coming together from from that bursts talents wanting to tell their stories to so many different outlets willing to, to produce these, these stores that everybody has a either like a program or like a. Streaming service. Or it's, it's so much easier to bring stuff out there and yeah, it's just a combination of things together that, that is allowed this shit that have been. And I'm just so lucky and grateful to be kind of in the middle of, of at all. Yeah. He's talks about not really being a comedy guy is there you know beyond. I don't know getting to be an Tom Cruise top gun movie. Is there an opportunity a role something that you'd love to do in the future that maybe people wouldn't think of as a, you know, a natural fit for you from watching on the good place, but like something that you would like to flex into? Yeah. I mean, almost anything and everything is like, like I mean like just talking about always being. Maybe I would love to do a wrong com. Whether it be, yeah. Or, or even just serious drama series. Love story like. On like Blake the note, black or something, or you know, like, yeah, I would like to do anything in everything at this point. Like there's 'cause there's just so much out there and so much opportunity for. I mean like I love, I love Jason Jason windows. Ego is going to be in my heart, but, you know, I definitely want to be with a flex and different skills. And, and yeah kinda use some different muscles other than, you know, being the innocent lovable. Dummy that gets. But yeah, I think maybe straight off the top of my head. Maybe some sort of wrong com or some sort of book type of field movie, but no, we'll see. I'm gonna I'm gonna start my online campaign for you to be in a nickel. Sparks the next next sparks movie, it's going to be starting and I give you five percents. Okay deal. All right. So you, you to work with all these comedians. I've heard Jason Zukas talk about how he likes to try to make people break when he works opposite on the on the good place. What is, who is the hardest for you to work with, and like get through a scene with a straight face? Oh. Probably Jason minutes. You get. Oh man. I was just listening to take him on a podcast as well. And like he he when he when he comes into a show he doesn't necessarily have the by by the same rules. Because the, the producers and the regular kind of know what he's all about. 'cause 'cause 'cause mansion, if like he'll come in, and sometimes you mainly just hire them to, to just to be nuts, and to come up with all these different things and not necessarily stick to the script. So he's always coming at us with different lines or just ways to seeing thing, then there's an unlimited supply and pool of it because the improvise ational abilities because he's picking legend in that. And then so yeah, yeah, I think whenever I have, or we have seen with, you know, Derek maximum Garrick. It's we don't know what expect then it's always a whirlwind mentioned elsewhere that this season for is, maybe like a bit more emotional than, you know, it's a good place. It's always been an emotional show, but maybe even leading. More into the emotion than previous. I know you can't tell me anything about it, and I'm not here to, like, try to have the whatever the season for surprise is boiled for me, but I'm wondering if working on something like that working on season for being a little bit more emotional satisfies any event need that you have to be an sparks movie, or rom com. Like are you getting to do some of that in this season? Oh, maybe that's where it's coming from to be on it. Who knows like that's the reason why I wanted to consider as the nNcholas sparks world. It can I am so thankful to Mike in the writers because like with this character and, you know, in the wrong hands like you could just be super flat and go, you know, just go the wrong way really fast. And but like with these writers with Mike and with the people that we get to work with if they've made sure that they've given Jason more layers. And, and, you know, I also try to do my best to give him more layers, than and not just, you know, make them a the, the Florida idiot, but really trying like, you know, sympathize and empathize with, with what he's going through, and the they've been the major, you know, proponent of that to, to help me kind of bring that out. Jason mendoza's. So, yeah. I mean you know looking at the season what we've done so far. I think I think, and especially he. Looking towards the middle and, and, and, and it can kind of go that nNcholas sparks bone a little bit. And yeah, that's yeah, that's funny. You should mention me that's where all these feelings of wanting to, to be the next Ryan Gosling comes from. The next time Gosling or someone dying. Maybe the next many more someone dying from cancer or something. And I know that you, you and William Jackson Harper Darcy engine meal like who didn't do a ton of this league level of work before the show started. I know you've heard yourself as like the babies of the show, what, what has working with Ted Danson working, Kristen bell working with Michael, Shirley? These people have been through the ringer a bit more like, what's the number one thing you've learned from these, these veterans being kind that's like that kinda just rains throughout? And that's kind of team of. Yeah. It's kinda resonated structures. Whole show just, you know, be there's no being in UAE, people love working on, on shows by Mike shirt, like when I talked to the writers and, and the kooky pool, and the people that are worked with them for years like it's like my. Creates an environment. That's so so like he and familial. And, and like there's no ego and the divas, and he can just do your best work, and you're allowed to have fun. And he like, he and it's because of the fact that Mike is just so grounded and genuine and kind and, and that just it, it goes passes onto to the, the leads that you like with, with Kristen and with Ted like Ted is like an Christmas. Well, like they constantly remind themselves how lucky we lucky we are the but it just come to work and play, and like the gets fed, like we told you do and get the play for ten for, for work, which is crazy. And, you know, we're, we're constantly like yeah. That, that kind of mindset that kind of mindset of being people in, you know, to. To, to be humble and genuine as always resonated throughout these, these four years. And I mean, it's going to be the biggest thing that I take away from from, from the whole experience. How no matter how long go for. So it's yeah. It's, that's probably the biggest thing that I that I learned in continue to try and, and exemplify because it my peers it's, it's a chance to, to be kind to others. Thank you so much for chatting with me. I really appreciate it, of course. No, thank you on the phone. Quick note from Joanna care between the time that we recorded that interview. And now it was announced that the good place, it would be ending its run after four seasons. They're currently shooting that final season now. So we were able to grab Manny really quickly between shooting scenes to give us his impressions of what it meant to have the show coming to an end and how all of that emotion around. It will inform the final season. So here are his answers to those questions. I mean well, we were told like sometime laugh you actually is like on November possibly even December. Get a nice little Christmas gift from like that. The over. Yeah. But yeah. I think when, when you what I, I got the Email, we all kind of knew that it wasn't gonna, you know, go on for forever. It wasn't a tip show like the officer parks and rec because there's just so much story. And you know, very much story driven burn through so much of it. Each each episode. There's definitely a bit of heartbreak for sure. And now onset, like I think a lot of people are definitely taking it all in and cherishing moments with each other. And there's definitely a greater familiar like family like vibe, even more so than before, because you know that it's, you know, I last possibly last time we're gonna work together. What did you do with the cast or the crew? I mean, that people are definitely taking a lot more photos. Trying cherish the moments remember them, and I definitely know that when, when Mike announced it as well, during the, the athletic C panel they've kind of, like, I remember going home and being that convent. This is actually coming to an end reminder that, you know, this is finite for all of that it was worth. It was definitely a story that had n being, and I think Mike and all of us agree that it's the best way to, to go out, you know, to grow it on on on our own terms. If anything I actually really like watching not in a morbid wave at lake watching a final season of show that is really decided it's going to end. And it just feels so much more purposeful headed towards that ending. You also mentioned, you know, when you talk to me before that this was a very emotional season. How much of that emotion is tied to your own personal motion, or is it baked into the store? Story of, of sort of where Mike wants to bring this all to ahead like something come into and naturally your character or, or the actor person. They will always feel some sort of heartaches or or wasn't like some type of like sadness because especially when, you know, when you love your show, so much when you love working with what all these people so much. So I think it's I think we can't help but leak some of that some of that sadness heartbreak into until I characters when we do it, but it will also inform. The seems yeah it's. It's a good one. It's it'll be. Yeah. I mean, I hope you know, get a better sense than than season two grown the last season again down. But we're. You know, you can't you can't please anybody. But I think with what my has come up with. And from what we've heard, it's the general consensus, is that it's, it's definitely a great ending a good way to go. So that does it for this week's episode. Thanks as always for listening, please. Keep finding us interviewing us and telling your friends about us and talking back to us. You can find us all at Vanity Fair dot com. You can read Mike's review of the popular documentary, and many other things I can find us all on Twitter at little Goldman and on our own. I met. Katie rich Richard ROY loans, and Mike. 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"Are you vulnerable enough to cry when you feel bad or would you hold it in? I didn't think I could cry and what concerned me was I was becoming so busy that I went to my first my first girlfriend, she was my first. I want to funeral because she passed away her while and when I went there, I couldn't cry because literally I had some body that was waiting for me outside to finish some interview and documentary thing I was doing. hold up I gotta slow my life down. I was in a with a crowd wasn't able to fill and when I went to my father's gravesite. Cry. And I didn't know that I would or if not, I would have been troubled if I did it I cried and then I was like joyfully crying because I'm like, yes, I cried I can't believe you like bill something. Human Yeah felt better. ASEP, Fergus, one of my favorite modern rappers but he's much more than an MC. He's a super creative person who designed clothes and dreams of having his own clothing house one day and he's brilliant enough to pull it off. Believe that we had a conversation that takes on a life of its own and flows far away from everything I planned to ask and we go from talking about his hip plain Jane which I love to welcoming Asep Rocky home from jail time in. Sweden to talking about Jeff koons Damien Hirst in the meaning of Modern Art I love this conversation. Let's dig in its Asep Ferguson on Tori. Plain Jane. Is a monster song. Thank you and I wanna hear about writing it making it is multiple take. So you punching in You know and it's an interesting vibe to it because you talk about family talk about pain and trauma but you also talk about hanging out having fun a lot of in the choruses. Crazy. Thank you. I love the fact that you broke down everything I talked about because I feel like playing Jane. People love it. I don't know if everybody knows why they love it all like if they can pull out those parts, the trauma, the the cookouts that you that we used to have to dodge gunshots and You. Know me going allow barrier for the first time and come back and feeling like I had to do more from our community Irma's link official village in our Beria that came from me spend like one hundred thousand dollars on a chain with Ben Abimbola and then going to. Liberia Sei starving kids is out there announced I came back. I wanted to give all my jury away and I was like man like a link can literally feed village area and I'll give some money to them. I was gone out there to put uniforms on kids 'cause out there like they can't. Go to school without uniforms. So going out there and put uniforms on the kids. was with. This. Brand, called uniform okay. Chit Liberty. Is My partner's name that he started his brand because when the Ebola outbreak happened out there in Liberia a lot of people were scared the by product out there. So he had a lot of materials and things like that. So he brought a factory a All of these women that an average jobs and things like that. To make uniforms out of these materials and he will use autism has influences and and just influence period to collaborate with to sell clothing. And partner. Rela. Bloomingdale's so that's what. I did I basically partnered up with him and Bloomingdales to make a line with some material. I designed a line with trap Lord and uniform. We sold it. The money went towards putting some of the money went towards putting the uniform on kids. Wow. Yeah. I WANNA talk about design because I know you're into that to like. Talk about making this record. So Plain Jane did was the beat I wrote in the studio or so I'll listen to juicy j slob on my knob like on on a cop I was in La and me and my uncle was just listening to the radio and it just came on and I'm like Yo this song is amazing like it hit me is like I had a perfectly like. Nobody did this song over? And I'm like, why doesn't this happen in the song? Check me and everybody screams I mean the whole song is like a hook. Really off bridge is sold sticky is to start with the hook instead of a lot of people start with verse and into it. But when you start with it, that's the beyonce's loves to do that right but the song don't even have a hook. It just really does suck a NIGGA. dickerson. So that comes one time and then it's like back into the verse but I don't have enough. That's really a hook and juicy J. that's his first song. That, he put out a rope. Like, which is intriguing to me because that's a huge song. So Our Rights at a soon as I got to the hotel stuck in traffic. I. Had this idea GIS Brewing, in my head. To write to the Slough Manabi. And then I was like man I gotTa, make this shit new I gotta make it feel like young the young people got to own it. They gotta be anthem for the young people and I gotta say something I had so much to say on his record because I just came back from Africa I've been traveling the world and. I'm always got the New York state of mind but I'm like everywhere. I was like Yo and I wanted to get an underdog to going to be Saga Kirk night. Okay. Yeah. To Do to be over like elbow, I got a Bangor for us to do kirk is like. He's amazing like he's amazing I I can't think of anything else like genius. And I, feel like he doesn't get enough credit on people don't even know taking can goal with his music as musicality. So when I approached him I knew he will bring me different sonics in different sounds but also understanding bpm how important Edelweiss Susannah trump's and everything like that. And I the verge down and. I recorded the whole thing I didn't even put that for the. Recorded the whole thing on my apple on my computer. My laptop in a hotel. No the. Studio. Okay. The whole process of Mea Kirk working on it a matter of fact when put that on Youtube today. The whole process from start to finish of her megan a beat me going in there and residing everything. And That was magic at first Kirk, was like he? Oh, I think you should project your voice more like I. Think you should like really wrap like Cadillac like. More like and I was like, Nah, I wanted to do a lay back. So everybody can feel like. Is there their tone the beat is really high but you are laid back on exactly liar notch shouting it's very. It is very like restraint. Wow. With the mob humdrum I'm into his check and with me and dear John Ferguson name. The chain tunnel photo watch as he. Plain Jane And I just let the. Let the lives go crazy. He beginning chain restaurant piece of Muslim Perry early says Linka a village in Liberia tmz taken pictures causing man steria, Mama, semi all bt and start tearing up. My mother me on bt the first time to start crying she's like you know tell me not then she don't know what's going on her friend got a son is blowing up i. mean you come with that line? Then you talk about you know uncle psycho was killing. Nick is how you get that triumph I attend the Harlem Picnics where you risk show life what is that? Harlem Picnics where you risked your what is that I? So growing up a Harlem, you couldn't go to a picnic without somebody gets shot or like somebody's shooting in crowds running and trampoline people and then everybody comes back like you everybody. Leaves all across the street and then they come right across the street music gets turned back on and there's almost nothing happened. And like you risking your life going to these cookouts, all you dress nice like I used to make these chains back in the days like I'm always been into design and making chains and jury and everything like that, and I used to like I was inspired by Ferrelli Nego, used to make these big medallions bagging two days. They know what that was like I was making it out as of WASCO crystals and ain't no if it was damaged and not. So I was really risking my life like five people I Made Change for Guy Rob. Like. Really. I. Guy Around for my chain, and then sometimes I knew the niggers that robbed him. So I'm like calling niggers I'm like go you. A chain is like a black Bart Simpson and like. That's my boy he live in the Bronx they like Furger we just got it I'm. Give giving back his chain. I did that. You get. Like that, I'll get sometimes I. DO sometimes, I can't. Sometimes. It's just too late. Say. Where you live longer us to skim work selling Nixon night skimping he's to skimp work like us to. Sell fake work or skip it like a little bit of whatever and the rest cut. Is like whatever you cut it with uncle us to skip work selling Knicks at night, but I was only eight years old watching nick at nite. Psycho was in that bathroom bugging knife to his gut I hope that he don't cut them. What is there my uncle? Psycho going while he's bugging. Threatened to commit suicide. Usually witnessed. Eh, witnessing that here. Like hope that you don't cut them suicidal toss brought me with no advisory like nobody could warm me that that was happening what they are wonder like. Because being young and seeing like your local wanting to commit suicide right in front of you like want to make a whole song about that. I. Did was I didn't write song about that. I'm in particular but I wrote a song called psycho. Yeah you gotTA listen. So it is on always driving possible. Okay. Yeah. As deep like my family got involved in like. My cousins is calling me like Oh my. Student is classes like asking me about the record in what happened in that moment. Or is that happened a lot? was he suicidal like a or I mean his name is psycho? So like my uncle was just wild back then like the best way to describe him as a light skinned version od be okay. And we have addiction. Yeah definitely with addiction and Just, like I guess early like mental mental. Say Illness, but just like going through things like struggling mentally and. You know I guess like his his harsh realities always get into fights and things like that. We all know is stems from something. Yeah. I know exactly what it was. But the talk about it an assault call Uncle Bill Clams Casino. Okay. Back in the days and I talk about it in a song called psycho and let it bang. On always striving prospal, my uncle has voices actually throughout the whole album. Yeah, so Yeah I just talked about like I'm talking from him and. The song cycle while. So. This line. I'll fuck you bitch for the irony. Yeah. That live fuck me up. Yeah. I'll photo bids for the irony what would it be to you as just like getting that and anybody who doubted me? And it's not even like literal light to the sense of whereas like I'm directly fucking somebody's basement is life. Whatever whatever it is, it's like I'm just going to succeed. I'm just like a bitch could be like just. Another hit record like I'm fucking game like. fucking it up like if you didn't want me to succeed, that's what it is. That's your bitch like I'm going to succeed the first two thirds of a song. He talked about family your rhyming like hard sounds. that. If things in the third verse where you switch ray talking about a minute sunk in place and then you do the easy like a whole new long stringy you. Know instagram watching TV I. Think I trained my breakfast lunch and dinner for some deeply believe me as he eating. Panini. Like I'm just talking about like. I'm just in this right I wasn't a right and such a number, right? And like at that time I was going through I was going through things with my manager like my and stuff wasn't wasn't really like my work ethic and everything that I imagine for myself just wasn't adding up. So. Like I dow was all of that coming out. So that's when I say I was in the sunken place I was fucking depressed. no instagram or watching TV like I'm focused I think I treat my breakfast lunch and dinner for some key T. that's our. That's how hungry I am like I. I'm not even an no pussy. Like I think I trained my breakfast lunch dinner for some Kitty Katie please believe me. I. See really on a either like peninsula. But a lot of people will switch to a certain sound and do it for like four and then switch to another sale but you really zoned in on that sound for us a good eight or twelve flow I go dumb. I'll go dumping abroad, hit the walls like graffiti. I'll hit them walls like graffiti Indian Burns upon Nigga. We I think I need a for some Bella. Bella Bella can do GD please believe me it'd be easy every easy hook it up on a Lisi I mean that one you're really doing it internally. Yeah Right. So it's not just the on the end on the four but it's on the two as well. So you're thinking about like Lemme like you that you've been hitting all those e sounds and then there's like an orgy of them. But then. More personal. Point it was like. I think I need a four. Some Bella can do gee-gee. It'd be easy effort easy hook it all up on a Lisi. Talking about right now right now as cool wit Renault, my girl as cool it. All of these girls and it'd be easier. She could hook it up on a low to lose. So, it was like inside and whoever New Light Right. Yeah. I mean did you write it quickly or does it take awhile? Nah and I wrote it in a hotel. In what an hour couple hours I was locked in tryline make. Pilot. I WANNA have two hours I'm not even sure honestly when you rhyme you go straight through or you punching in like do both sometimes sometimes, I write the whole song sometimes I write a verse and go freaked out of second verse sometimes, I freestyle the whole Song I do that a lot I I saw the whole song a lot like our freestyle whim, which is a song guy with made in Tokyo that's new project I freestyle. Freestyle lawsuits nothing I wrote for sees but are Freestyler Hook. Floor seats is another. Banger for you. Can. We before we go onto lawsuits? Thanks. For allowing and making playing Jay, my biggest record of all times three times platinum I never would've even dreamed that I'll be coming out with a mix tape or album or single can play on radio I just didn't. Dream that big. Let alone song on three times platinum. Thank you. What did you think you would be at this point in life? always do obvious special some type of creative. whether it'd be doing fashion art because I went to High School for art I went to art and design is who which my father also went to. My father did did the logo he did the uptown cash logo four, hundred zero he made the bad boy logo. A puff Gimme the chain. The bad way piece. I chronic logo if he did the BAB. Way. LOGO UPTOWN CATS. Logo. So I just took out the footsteps I was designed and doing graphic design. So scream ran I used to do like all de-block shirts all like making the band shirts, loon shirts, black rob shirts. This is all like junior high school going into high school. How did you learn how to design? I was just experiment I didn't know what I was doing just having fun with it. I didn't know if I was I didn't consider a design and like I would just like. I knew I wanted something different I knew I wanna should that people have like I thought my jeans in a tub and I heard that. Bleach clorox attorney, the different colors try. And like. Let it dry and it will come out dope and I started doing my friends stuff because they like what I did. And then people just started wanting to pay for stuff for me to do it and then like. Oh I'm designing. Oh people want to buy stuff. Oh, I got business. See we're really driving and hustling. You were just artistically just me and my driving hustling I mean like it it sounds like. I was trying things and then people WANNA buy instead of like you're GonNa make some money I'm going to do them and do this and try to flip it like I was be in creative and people dug it. So then he started buying it. Yeah, and I was smart enough to provide a service like. My father taught me how to I pay on t shirts because he used to do like Nikki bonds t shirts and like all in a big hustlers back in the days he's Pam like hundreds of dollars for like. A drawn of with the chain in a car logo and stuff on car. So on a shirt So like he taught me that trait of like paying on sneakers and doing stuff on shirts. So I pick that up first the moment I went to school with my shirt on it like yo that shit is crazy. That's your name when you should and all of that you favour character on your shirt I'm like I did this word I'm not. You'll bring a t-shirt not do it for you for thirty dollars. Just. Basically pay for my supplies and stuff and I just doing like people really like this and it's taken me extra long. We up that to sixty dollars and then I wouldn't I'm Vanessa. Now might I those crystals on for like another fifty dollars now he we up one hundred dollars per shirt. Plus the teacher you gotta get a good t shirt. We gotta go to like H and Emerson. Teach American powerless zone like right. Part was dope is that you're close with? Your Dad? And he's able to help you show you the way you're able to watch him and learn from him. A lot of brothers don't have that for sure major impact on my life idol I didn't look up to like rappers and artists and things like that. Looked up to my mom and my dad. And my father to. Muster Dad is a business mind went to school got his masters account a major. My mom also graduated college. and. Like my father was just the most amazing. Person Ever. Artists brought me for Sachi stuff when I was in junior high school. Eight hundred dollars sweat sweaters and Kuchis pants when I was in. A Catholic school I've. I have to pay like a dollar for free dress day hours I came through the new trip. Back then But yeah, like he taught me how to hustle to like he taught me like how to. Create. A taught me how to create a business and and depending on myself because I remember where he would like before he had his own store, he would take shirts to fat Joe Store and a Bronx and drop off stuff and sell stuff and comeback and pick up his money. He was doing it. He taught me how to do that. Like one time you know we was printing does when like basketball teams, popping jerseys and all of that be like made these t shirts all the teams on like from the NBA and different colors and everything like that, and this was hot nobody was doing it. That was another thing he was good at to like on the cusp of like. A trend that hasn't even started he he he was a trend setter, so he would do those things and be will. Give you like twelve shirts, so he could sell it. Because I. Tell Him what's on his shirt's but I'm just tied like spinning three hours on one surges to get one hundred dollars I'm like I need to figure out like how to monetize like and make more money He was like I ready for Silkscreen it. So that's when I started. So screening and doing a thousand shirts, but you said he taught you how to make it a business. So what are the keys to having a successful little business? Well, who told me not to take any loans or like borrow money from people like you said, it'd be better like you use your own money that way. You gotTA. Own. Nobody no money. Back. And I still Kinda. Go by that. Like to this day. I mean now not on my name is so big my name is equity so I don't have to like put money people just want me to promote their shit and I'll get like some type of equity in company a percentage so like you know wow, is that like I understood WAAS saved my money. That's why I said like being on Drake tour saved my per diem. And like I'll start a brand trap lord off like. A hundred dollars I'll send it to my girlfriend. She'll get like. Twenty. Four shirts. Already had the social machines or I somebody printed shirts, UPS, and it back to me on tour I sell it now like. I got money now now my two hundred or something like that three hundred up. Austin that over do it again real more shirts I'm eating Rama Noodles so I. Really. I. Worry about buying expensive mill by the end of Toy I'm walking away of tour. As toward support and they were my toys like really rocky and he brought us out. I walking away with seven thousand dollars off tour all our acts cannot sell merch this area. So. That was really like how starting my business I mean if you can design your own stuff, you'll never be broke. Oh, I would never be broke. Even. If I get broke I, know how to get rich again. How would you? I'll always say like if I was like a homeless person or whatnot. Our just. As so many things you can do I, read books about people pay Iraq's unlike selling rocks. You know what I'm saying like you go find a rock anywhere paint that shouldn't you know right a special quote on sell it to somebody for at least two dollars. As simple as that you stack that and you have some rocks you go get some t shirts from my twenty eighth street. get some prints put on it. Now you got business. Rock and t-shirts. such a table up the Khazar probably going to try and get rid of you. But you know you going make some money and then at least show you better get like you know five hundred dollars to at least get some type of license to sell your stuff like on forty second street. Now you got a full-blown business, you could hire some employees. Should move and get Iraq and. And I know more at least I get like a little Rome assault with one of my friends you know pay payroll five dollars a month. And we could get cracking that way start climbing back. Exactly. So wait before we get into floor seats. How'd you learn how to rhyme? And school junior high school actually. where? I want to is ninety ago. In computer class, they used to make these do nows and aims and things like that and Days used avenue journals and our books and the teachers and I think, yeah, so much teachers I hit us. We these make us right like what's going on was on our minds I it could be a form of like a summary or paragraph whatever. But I used to write minds, Po- poetry collections like the way around better at. Like when I go up in front of the class recited I, knew that impress the girls. So ours is like man I'm GonNa make every time. So it started in that form, and then like I just love music some like I got it to battle rap I was right in Roms not even beats just like to go out and likes Spitzer sixteen and do ciphers and things like that. I used to my best friends Danica at the time we used to ride around together he used to like right roms on his computer all the time I type, his rounds I kind of his house. You'd like Yo I wrote like four sixteenth I'm like only got two. So he liked pushed me to like right more and I wasn't never really good on the computer our still writing he was just tight joints out. and then one time he told me he route Jada Kiss. And that like uh boosted minds is Jada kiss everything rough riders was everything ties back then. And then I ran into styles pleaded day after that. So I was like. I was like. Going crazy so. I came him. I. Was like, Oh, around two styles. He was like crazy 'cause we looked at ourselves like the locks or the rough riders or whatnot. So. It was 'cause I love styles. style a rapping his lyrics in Jada Kissy. Loved his voice and he mimicked him a lot. So how did you get better? I got better budgets studying game I. Remember when I first came into the game and I said this isn't about to other interviews I used to Like Rick. Ross. What do you mean like whole? Like like took his ad libs. But I'm like man I can't keep I can't. I gotTA develop my own style like it was just me wanting to be original and I knew that that wasn't gonNa work because that wasn't me I'm originally I gotta be my own person. I took masterpiece added to your. Here's some earlier Salah like, oh, that's masterpiece but the way I changed it. was. Put reever my voice to make it sound like I was falling. And like river with a tail so And then like the statellite doing masterpiece thing all the time. I'll just like man, what do we do like and like. What do we do I thinking like what is the nuances and how do we call each other? And I was like Oh, and then like the damn came at the term I started adding different elements to it, and then a box came from Q. Dogs. People don't know that like I used to go to like a lot of creek Like parties and things like that with the qudos that'd be barking. Dogs. They called us like who Tony just like you mean the Omega you know. I had lives are very important to your generation of MC's. The older generation you just spit a verse, some bars but for you guys, the Ad Libs are extremely important. I think everything is important for me the lyrics bars, the islands everything I think the Ad Libs? Sometimes, I don't WanNa put our lives on my my stuff because. I just want people to hear what I'm saying. But I know that people will just they love the additive so much. It makes it sometimes like you're kind of talking to yourself like you're commenting on your own music. That's exactly what it is. I'm hyper myself. Yeah like. All right. That's right like even. All right. That's right like for headed on. He hit it on key like what I was doing. He's like, Oh, I get it I exactly get what you're doing. You're different characters he's like You're at a Curtis Mayfield show or like. A goddamn James Brown show and it's the people in a crowd they're saying all right. Go to you do that thing. That's what I'm doing. Voice Yeah. So you said you were studying certain people even talking about mass appeal rick. Ross. Who He studying for your your versus your diction the way you spit. On I think about a lot. Just on like vulnerability okay. How he was vulnerable, letting his real pain out, let pay now and and not paying. Being able to Open up and people relate into them and Biggie did the same thing like I just love suicidal thoughts. Things like that. People like biggie. People like Jay z being a businessman to me Jay z like. Jay Z is like. Steve Jobs wrapping or something like a business person rapid. He's not even supposed to be wrapping like he's just a business man, but he's he's giving us knowledge Brady's psychosis. Creative businessmen came rich. And we still love the product. And we yeah, like even his voice was different nobody wanted to sign him. He doesn't look like your ordinary rapper he's tall. Yes he changed. His voices usually a little higher that moves them sees as higher and I think that since it was so. Different. Is Stuck out. Wayne. Love Wayne I love what Tan Wayne just went crazy like I watch like Wayne a lot like when I used to be making chains and like putting like the the stones on the pieces and everything like that. I used to watch his documentary. But on mute. Just, to see him and see the lifestyle and have a plan on he went to jail he was like unstoppable like the guard like every mix tape around the time he came out with Mazda and all of that. Is Insane like he was just he was tapping in and I felt a spirit of Bob Marley them interesting because I was studied Bob Marley to and I'll be like. They're trying to reach something different like you don't feel like they're just doing like the subpar things like just trying to as more spirit shoe like I feel like it was a very strong spiritual presence and Wayne and Bob Marley because just like. It was just they was doing shit that was completely. untouched. We never seen things it was doing before mean Marley's career and music is really special I special and as message. Definitely. A person from a higher plane or at least speaking to you from a higher plane was on a different frequency. Yeah. Same thing will Wayne I. think he just tapped all the way in and I think as a as a certain time. When artist taps all the way in when nothing else matters I feel like that's where I'm at right now as like everybody's talking about a party and I'm like Nah. I'm trying to reach something like I'm trying to touch something I'm trying to like get something off from trying to create a sound I'm trying to like evolve light to the point where like I'm not comfortable. Doing Normal Shit. I don't care to do like I. don't care if Bush in a lot of gag like. Or go on vacations all the time I go on vacation is to sleep because I'm. Trying to get to where I'm trying to get to so so bad. You're trying to get to a higher level of music. You're saying I'm trying to tap in artistically to higher level. So what do you do to like tapping? Yeah, I meditate studied different artists I go to the club and I'm listening to like was out. unfulfilling avoid. Like I'm trying to create the product that ain't here. I'm talking to the forefathers I'm talking Timberland I'm talking. ferrall I'm talking to pity I'm talking to everybody who did something different and charged a game in a way never been charged on a game I mean in a way, we didn't know that the game needed to be charged. Talked me about your Meditation Practice Wendy do it how long do you have been meditate and lately just because I just haven't busy? Busy sometimes I fall off it but like but would normally, what are you trying to do normally when I when I just need to be like the best way to describe it as like you know when Say, we don't like this par cans right and people like Yo. Let me record the room air so like it could just matched up I guess light the sound sonic or whatever I gotta do that when our bodies like we need like. Be Cool silence for a second like we gotta like Kinda like reset our bodies and get used to silence again because it could be so much noise it could be so much. Everything happened in losing sleep in. My life moves fast that I have to sit down like I constantly got my label. And the label was a whole building constantly got like my whole team and my air constantly got everybody in the world opinions about what I should be doing my air Oh this that third just the. Have the comeback down after reset myself refocus Sitta, silence it with my own thoughts. And just. Do nothing but just be. How long do for? Fifteen minutes there's Tom that I'd done it for fifteen minutes and then it felt like. I had to go longer action five minutes. Like. If I really like filling it and I promise you like I used to look at meditation. So stupid like how does this work retarded? I'm not to do it. I looked at you. Tubes does Dan. I heard Jake whole talk about it I I read. I read on Russell Simmons Book on Meditation. And home. At works works wonders I mean, if you when you get in a groove, I, mean I do it sometimes when you get in a groove. You you really the moment and it really does tap into something very deeply relaxing. Yeah. Like spiritually relaxing. Of tapped in that deep. But I know what I fill after and when I feel after is like I just feel a sense of a weight lifted off of me. On this time I felt very high strung and distress like like you know how stressful game to give life people be high and strung out on drugs. That's Coming out of your pause all kinds of ways people just start bad people started like bad people start taking drug people drink everything is it comes out of you gonNA come out some type of way. Yeah. 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I have to be because once you start wearing it on your face your face, not to look like that I walk around with the crazy look in scrunched up man he's people with the mean mugging because they've been mass along and you see people that looked to relax and everything they probably eating good food. They probably relaxed they probably son they put in good things and good vibes and good energy into their bodies you talked about. EMINEM. Vulnerability. And you know when we as men can be vulnerable and have the courage and the strength to allow yourself to be vulnerable bats a really amazing place and for a lot of black men being vulnerable is really scary because we're already getting beat down by the world were already under estimated underrated undervalued. So being vulnerable, Likable Damn like how am I gonNa but you can get to that is freedom. Yes. That's exactly what it is freedom. and. I think we're getting better with that as people as a black people. I think we're getting better with that like. just me hearing Jay Z.. Say He took therapy? That's our biggest rapper ever. I was like, Oh, it's okay to talk to somebody that and the whole four, forty four that song with very vulnerable and. gave us a sodom that we didn't know I. We know you the boss. You know how you you may business moves, transactions and That's all that's cool. But how do we get there and like what are the trials and tribulations it takes to get to where Jay Z is I mean as hard as he can be healed at the song cry he'll like basically cry but shooting his brother on first album. Yeah. So he'll let it out and like you know I like that you're talking about letting it out and not being afraid of being vulnerable because they say so liberating we we wanna be like, yeah, I'm the man everything's good. I got this I'm handling light but life is hard I mean it's almost like after you talk about is just like you talked about it there's nothing as like when I'm like. Skid aware like. You know I is scared to do shit but like. You get like a little feeling of when you're doing something different In like when I make like the evil knievel outfits in the pants and stuff, and I'm like Yoda world either going to hate this shit or they're gonNA love it but I don't give a fuck like to me that's being vulnerable and open myself up to the world and dressing the way I want addressing, expressing myself the way I want it do it so like when I first started doing it. Like it's like what the fuck you got on but then like now got it on and you know now people aware more bell bottom pants and things like that is cool. I was doing months ago it was crazy with. All. That shit his drippy. Are you. Vulnerable enough to like cry when you feel that or would you hold it in? Crowd and I feel. Like when you feel like that said. I've cried. And I've like I didn't think I could cry because and what what concerned me was I was becoming so busy that I went to my first my first girlfriend choose my first. I went to a funeral because she passed away a well when was the that was like a year in some change go oh wow, and when I went there. I couldn't cry because. Literally. I had somebody that was waiting for me outside to finish some interview and documentary thing I was doing. So I'm like hold up I got a slow my life down. I wasn't able to cry wasn't able to fill. Literally, I'm going back to work I'm tired. This is fucked up like I wanNA feel like so. I started focusing more myself. I started like Kinda. Not, traveling myself. Crazy will working everything like that because I just wanted to get back to. What matters like what really matters and that's when I start thinking more about purpose and an intention of things because now tom can't be wasted. On. Yeah and when I went to my father's gravesite. I cried. And I. Didn't know that I would like if not have been troubled if I did it and I've cried and I kinda I cried and then I was like joyfully crying because I'm like, yes, I cried like I can't believe it like I feel something. Human Yeah and I felt better will win yams past that must have been hard for you very hard. would. It you? I mean the deaths that you just mentioned and and and the funerals? What you've got from those moments how you grew right so I mean, I imagine the yams death is probably the hardest maybe with your dad probably the hardest that you've dealt with so. What. Did you learn? How did you deal with? How'd you grow from that? It was hard and it's still hard because I'm still learning from that experience like as I. Climb and I get a number on my voyage and I'm experiencing different things are questioning our things even before I came in the game, I would question things like Oh. Wow. You know these guys got so many hits and they look strung out on different things data like how is that possible but I can see why and I hand that happened with my brother Yams as like What I say in danger. I Say I, say I say something about access like us is us being who we all we have access to everything we either self-destruct or we can. We can blow up like and it's all about choices about walking the thin line like you can make one wrong move and just being ditched at. It'd be hard to get out of or you keep making the right moves in dodge the bullshit. That's literally what it is like being artists for me at least. Like I tread lightly like I'm not like even like trying to like. I don't play like I'm like very I try to point. And you know games. He was battling something that really light took him off his. His Square and it just you know ended up and death and dad really made me like. Okay you could die from. Making the wrong decisions. So, that made you change your life how? I mean it just it just made me. It just made me more conscious. Of the possibilities of like. Just as easy to get in Titian and it's hard to get out of. Like the trappings of being. Anybody not even just artist but just traveling to life. Have you seen rocky since he got out I did I seen him soon as he got out yeah. What was that like? That was amazing. I was so tired because I was really like at the airport or when he came home or where was it no. So Amam at this house he was staying at. And I had to fly from Hungary to London from London to New York New York to La. And I landed at three o'clock in the morning just to go see you. There was a party. To See it was a party that he was probably we have phone. And like abroad some people I call people. We let we gotta Pie pull up like. Four o'clock in the morning, the cake is already like slammed like. As like plates everywhere everywhere you everywhere girls leaving his shit. Satellite Damn but I got a moment to like show my brother. He was hype. He was still up we hugged. Problem glad home. which is Just very, very dull moment and we stayed up until like nine o'clock in the morning where we went to Sunday service. To See a N. Everything. Yeah What were you going through when he was locked up in? Sweden. A lot people don't and and what what that made me realize is like when your family members locked up when your friends is locked up like you're locked up Yep Yep. Like I see how that happened like the trickle down effect as because everybody was reaching out to me I'm like. The Guy People's like you know. I how can I get to rocky I'm like I'm the voice really four rocky. I'm using my platform to post every day and it was crazy too because lake. You feel like you can't even be having fun like I felt like man I can be having fun fairs. It's GonNa come at me for having fun. Yeah they go. Motherfucker you have fun outside of your friends locked up. Yeah. Like, you came to have fun. Properly. Feel guilty. Yeah you feel guilty for being out. You know what I'm saying. So were you talking to him while he was inside they wasn't allowing us to talk at first. There wasn't allowed him to talk to anybody. But then They're allowed to they allowed us to talk in I spoke to him and we spoke for about two hours. And he's is seeing himself on. TV, and Jealous Shit. Our home. I'm just like you got world going crazy like they should have nuts. This is not even A. Just you think this is a world thing. What was he talking about? He was talking about he said man everybody got a buck fifty on a face. I'm like word a slap slash across the face. He said everybody's spirits is like up. It's like life is talking to that like smile every day and they asked me if I'm good and things like that and like it wasn't no air will towards him. he was in good spirits. He just wanted to be home i. mean they made it like. You know his lawyers made it like you're always going through hell is cold this naming we wanna come home. Of course, they're probably was all of those things like he probably I'm pretty sure like those people was. You, know some of those people was treat him. Nice. But at the same time, we still in jail in not home like you're still locked up, you have to listen to when somebody wants you to eat shit. Do everything chrome out on your cell like. Man I hate working for somebody else I could imagine a CEO telling me. When I could shit in fucking Douche it, right? Yeah. When did you meet? ME. Iraqi. Met I had been like sixteen. I mean like meeting him was critical to you becoming an MC right like that's part of your well doing a professionally. Yeah definitely because he was more so on. The rapping thing and like doing it as a career I was doing a rapid rapping as a hobby and I was like really trying to push me get my own fashioned brandon and doin art. So that was the dream tonight a fashion designer. Yeah. That was a dream that was one of the dreams. Yeah. Bigger than being a rapper. The the jury was never just be a rapper like the dream was just to be like. A. Figure. Like that may change. I 'cause I will picked in the reason why I say like I used to pray. Man is a Pentagon for all the girls. I I'm pretty sure. Every do did ready for all the girls I used to want to be a huge figure is to see Barrowman on his tall bus with like sweat suits with stack some money in jury like man I need assistant that's going to bring my jury bag like Birdman has his nephew whoever he was had bring a his big storage. Gone Gucci Stores and spending his money like I I wanted that but I didn't know what was going to get me there and I, also will look at. Carlaw go fill documentaries Ezzat Laurent Keith Herron Because Oh basquiat movies Francis Bacon Jeff Koons Ralph Simmons. For Saatchi who killed the SATCHY? Jimi Hendrix of Gandhi Malcolm X.. Like. I used to study all of these people and I used to read books on them. Elvis liberace. You could Elton John What you could go on and on Cameron. Like. I would just. TRY TO TAP pendency. What these people was. What gave the May Charisma and what made them? What made them tap into what they was doing? What did you learn from from? Jeff Koons because I love him and his work and how love his work to how he flips it and he makes just. Fantastic toys for rich people I. Think he's one of the biggest artists de volatile. Artists but even Damien Hirst to like they just. A daimyo hers. Work was dark to me is remind me of Francis Bacon, he did like installations with sharks and sharks just hanging out from all the high. I loved how are you hanging in? Shock or how you're a sheep Arshi sitting there and how you I don't see any bubbles rain around it. Like all, like the pill room like right which like is something different to me. Now being older like I like now is I can ask them questions about stuff like that before our seeing him like there should've just cool with like now that should meant something finally do that. Yeah. even like. Jeff. Cohn Jeff Koons like the huge of. The Glass Hartson. Yes. The the puppy did puppy or rabbits and the bubble. The balloon silver rabbits. What I learned from Jeff Koons team team team having a team and delegating. And I learned that from an early age 'cause it's like man he's a big artist. He's not necessarily touching every canvas, right but. I'm pretty sure he studied any wall and the whole factory. No doubt. Via because Andy Warhol started that where like People come. So screen for all. The all the Elvis canvases with the colors and all of that like. He can. He's more of a director. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a new way of creating art. Yeah. They say Picasso was most important artist of the first part of century and and. That's. Arguable with Matisse made McKee's Hasso today on I would say Duchamp P- is incredibly important for the first half of the century. Okay. I got to study mean do shop with he took a urinal. And put it in gallery and he said are and they were How was that art? Because you signed your name on he said it's ready made. Stun. With my wife when she was my girlfriend went to France we saw it. And I was like that's not art and she was way more into art than Iowa's seems like yet is and we'd Lug it for three days on that House I. Consider because art is everywhere everything is everywhere and like you know it doesn't have math is art yet. It doesn't have to be some things that an artist created that only certain individuals can make like anything can be art. Is. That the way you look at it as your perception. Yeah. Now he's good art or bad art. That's a whole other conversation. You could say, well, I mean, what is perception still? Yeah. As what you see as good and bad because people may consider BASQUIAT paying tires white. But like warhol takes that aesthetic and take a second half a century and just blows. Inspired by him definitely. Definitely I mean, yeah. You'd painting Campbell Soup Cans. He's like anything can be art. Why not Campbell Soup can who's your favorite the artists? Come. Top three Amine Picasso's gotTa to be up there. Definitely. I Love Jeff Koons a love Damien Hirst I love Bosque ought to death a love. Ramirez. Bearden have. Overall Mir beard and is probably the greatest. Black. Visual Artists Harlem Guy Make collages where he makes the collages. I know who you? See his work and life. William, Johnson another great black artists I mean. So I mean I, love Hendaye Wylie's work and day dope. He painted some of my friends early on. That's how I found out about he's an plus he looks like Ice Cube to me. I love. Cara Walker. Okay. After the semi these names no doubt. No doubt. Mortar blacks. I know like the master White Cara Walker amazing stuff wear like it'll be like a white wall and she'll put like two dimensional black images like like the color black. Like out of slavery and it'd be like crazy violent, crazy sexual, crazy fucked up moments that probably happened for real in slavery because. And she's depicting it and putting it in the middle of the Momo. The Whitney and people coming in to like get their art fixing. She's like stabbing you in the eye with like you know just how it used to be like, what what type of art would you put House and like why? I mean. I mean, you know I would buy. Whatever I could afford definitely get some bearden I would definitely have I would I would love to have Damien Hirst I mean you know Warhol's amazing I love Richard. Avidan. Have heard his photographs he's just a great photographer. But some of these artists, right Do you feel like they bring certain Moods Oh. Yeah. Spirits and energy into your house. Yes and that's what I'd be like I'm getting into collect art too. So like I think about that I think about moods like what I want to wake up and see how's IT GONNA inspire meal or move me for the day. Yeah. I mean there's certain. Yeah. There's certain pieces. Let's say Basquiat pieces will like lift you up because. There's an exuberance to win and excitement to it, and there's certain pieces that will drag you down. Yeah. Like that last pain he did which one which was Skeleton Horse yes. Yes. A Beautiful Pan but I can put that in my house used to date a girl who had had a heroin issue before we were together and we went to see that painting issues like it feels like to be on heroin while in life. Because that's what he was Kinda trying to vote like riding with death. Long like I. See it like that piece freaks me out for you in a good way when I was younger like like that shit is cool. Like is probably going for Mad Bread? Like we could afford that shit or like I can't afford that shit but I'm just saying That's it. I can put that on I mean premier bearden to me. I would love to have something like that because it's so beautiful vibrant and dynamic, and it's us it's really the spirit of black people in the way he makes it in what he's talking about what he's showing you know and peace will be incredibly detailed. So you can look at it every day and See something a little different and like you know that I would really love to be able to look at it over and over and see something a little different each time you know I love Rothko Yeah Yeah Roscoe is just because it's like even if he's trying to evoke violence or emotion whatever whatever it is as still can be like water to me, there's just color. There's his brother. In. La Name. Mark Bradford. WHO's dope? He's one of the Dope Est. current living black artists. Definitely check him out but like Rothko is so powerful and it's so simple. It's another one. That's like is this art I just put one? On it. It's like the blends color blends like the black on black matte black with the faded black the. The Blues that just goes into like the oranges and yellows like. That I'm pretty sure Ralph go and inspired High William Videos and color and and Just. That whole time and mood like RAF goes had to be on. High. Williams move. Boards. Yeah. There's a sister Amy Cheryl. D- Who's crushing it right now amazing portraitist and amy show. Yeah. Remember when when Barack and Michelle had their official portrait's come out and Kahinde did barracks and Amy Cheryl did Michelle. Oh. Wow and it's amazing dope. She s amazing SCOPE back for a second to emceeing. Was the difference between a good MC. Great emcee. Ah Get a good MCG's knows how to rap. A great. Great MC has. Integrity. He has intention and purpose. A GREAT NC is Jessie. What's your top three or five? Jay Z. Number one all time. I duNno, it's biggie. Okay. Daisy. biggie. And I was just say. An. There's your top three. A manager here whereas house. I love Naza Deaf I mean Virginia. ME A top five. Well, if it was five four or is he right in there? He'd be here. What about Rockingham? See the I got to study more I'm young I'm. Thirty. But I know he's the God I've heard. He's. I know rock him is known for breaking the mold of a artists. I mean, Rock Kim came after run DMC. Yes and he showed us Well run DMC showed us that we didn't have to wear costumes and Shit right and lie to look like. When, I look like now I mean. Takes the routine era. And makes it a little more complex right but it's still kind of routines Riley doing those low. As Rock and then turns. Higher. Like that like Peter Paul picked pebble run rock rhymes, right. But then Cam just fucked up complexity is a different level of complexity. Everybody had ever done to that point and I think everybody after him is, is his son in a way he? His son. I M C facts he. He's the father of the style is in. Rapid multilateral and flow complexity complexity. He's talking knowledge. He ought to seven on his jacket Dabid, Dan Jacket and talking about emceeing. Yeah. Yeah facts factual. Yes. Allowed to concur what is your? What is the most instructive failure that you've had the fail you that you learned and grew the most from as far as musical anything in life failure? For me, there's no such thing as failure. Because like There's only. Lessons and no losses, and that's the attitude I to have, and in fact the Moore failure more. Times we fall just makes us stronger so like I don't consider a failure I just. A minor setback for you to make a major comeback, right? Right. What do you want for your next four to five years? What's your? What's your big plan or your big dream? I want to build a clothing line I wanNA. Really I love what guy did with eases and like sneakers and all that created his world. I continue to create my world and what that is and show people out could use different mediums to express myself as artist to be amused, you want to move into being a clothing designer designed period design of great music, a curator, a DJ I design ready so as These pens designed. Watch. I design rug in Nepal Took my logo which Devonian logo was a challenge Brandon I started when I was making belts and leather goods and like I'm starting to do like more stuff with homegoods because I just brought my first house. So I just wanted to decorate it with my art I wanted to have the most exclusive shit. So it's like you know the way I could do that as just created. Make my own couches. Make my own pillows make my own rugs meanwhile, own dishes. Okay Yeah. So where are you going with that next I'm solid adidas if you go on Google. For my shoes I did I wanNA make my own silhouette light beyond the Dita's and Jordan all of that like I would love to just make. A shoe that. Like I love what Tyler is doing with his brand golf and all of that. What is the silhouette you will pay? Tyler is so silly and no no, no crazy and. He's billion. He's a genius how? What is the silhouette that you are thinking about for your first sneaker? I don't know what that is yet I'm still like. Pondering about it but like the shoe businesses, just such a great business and everybody loves shoes and I will never be part of that. Why did you go with Adidas instead of Nike? they were just don't outgrew it. I met them early on when rocky did shoot them in Germany Scott and we just kept going they supported. They brought me out tonight different shows and pay me to fly of Russia and do things and see the world. So you know they got me in bed early so You know you have accomplished a lot. You're dealing with a lot. You're you're you're succeeding at a lot of different things. What is your superpower? My superpowers vision I vision I could see. what I say. How started of? tweet. All these representative put them with dishes. Achilles representative put him dishes. There was rocking what show acid they made a decision. A lot of. Television, I'm trying to think of these lyrics said, but basically. I got the vision, I got the vision for myself and others. As. Dr Jay Z line. Is it I don't know he said I'M A. Big Brothers big enough to do it. Yeah I don't think he said vision of what I got I got the vision for myself and others meaning I can see very far. Very far like as a as a talent I. Think I've studied people enough to know tribes of people. Like I know that there's a certain time traveling with absurd. I know myself I, know who I'm with I would like. BUSTA missy ludicrous like Oh David Bowie creative, very creative, extra out there shing the boundaries, right? Exactly. That's a child people in like Wayne has a trauma people whereas like Wayne like Lung? Young Thug Little Uzi like in heart and court energy exactly like rock and roll energy rock and roll. Yeah. and do you also have like the ferrall which is like data's Allston. Like Lenny Kravitz, brilliant creative kind of young even though you're grown. Yeah. Yeah. essentially. With. Poly. Because he's the man is a man. Bowie is the man. He changed the game. I mean what I see like what he does what he did. Creatively, sartorially musically like totally change up every album inch like. Tori Lee clothing. Okay. In terms of clothing like rappers don't usually do that. Right in terms of like you know like painting your face or like changing completely in. Up, paying my face for. The first fashion week I participated in. The first Collier was fashion show I have my face. Painted I. It's a pitcher with me, Jay. Z Travis got. Nothing Nez. Fees, painted ten years from now. Are you just designing and not rapping and moving into? Here's the house of Ferguson. Or whatever it's called and lake. More like Lagerfeld. 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"It's time for MAC break weekly. It's fischel the invitations are here. And who do you think got one? Was it Laura Gill? No. Was it Andy nocco? No. Was it? Leo laporte. No. It was Rene Ritchie. But we're all here to talk about what apple might be announcing a week from Monday. We'll also talk about other apple projects like a new ipad. Perhaps maybe apple self driving cars. And why that mean Elizabeth Warren wants to break up. Apple it's all coming up next. Amac rape weekly. Casts. You love from people you trust. Is tweet. This is MAC briefed weekly episode six hundred fifty two recorded Tuesday, March twelfth twenty nineteen ironic. Sands back break weekly is brought to you by last pass insure safer workplace password sharing with last pass the number one. Most preferred password manager visit last past dot com slash twit to learn more and by capterra, find the right tools to make an informed suffer decision for your business. Visit capterra's free website at capterra dot com slash Mak break, and by WordPress. Turn your dreams into reality and launch your website at WordPress dot com. Get fifteen percent off any new plan had WordPress dot com slash macrey. It's time for MAC break. Weekly the show that features Tim, apple and the gang every week the gang. This week is Mr. Rene Ritchie from I'm more dot com and the fabulous vector show. Hello vector. Reporting for duty vector is here Laurie. I'm more is also here Laurie Gill. She's managing editor, I'm more. Hello, laurie. And I guess we're that means we call you Andy WG, h no I if if Tim is abandoning the title chairman, Honey crisp as. On by the oh, I I'm gonna I am now chairman honeys, Chris Linke very much. If you do go to Tim Cook's Twitter feed. He he is now calling himself. Tim apple is that such a subtle troll. Of course, I'm on a windows machine. So he's really Tim square box. But I guess he doesn't really care. How it looks? On Android, or or any of the other actually, actually, maybe maybe it's maybe it's like, a double double thing. He's doing against like the the up the upcoming like investigations, it's Tim re Tim redacted. Oh, it's redacted apple react mica sergeant but they said like, Android and windows should fill those characters. So that double trolls him. So he shows up this Tim robot on Android him. I want to point out that somebody is trolling Tim apple on Twitter. Because when I go to Tim's site on my deactivated Twitter cat, suggests I follow the president twice over here on the right? So clearly there are now tied at the hip, and Hugh Jackman, that's Hugh Jackman. I don't know why I'm supposed to follow. How what is Tim apple have to do with Hugh Jackman? Maybe it's because they don't like Ryan Reynolds. I don't know. Could be could be could also play play wolverine. I think like in those in the or I know he voiced it in the FOX channel. This has snick. Right now. I'm really annoyed because every time I open Twitter on this machine it because there's a cookie here locks me back into my deactivated Twitter account. So you'll excuse me if idea activate at one time, but the T T W W T are the beta Twitter TWIT are their old game believes new. Yeah. Take beta. Yeah now. Yeah. Yeah. I would sign up for that. Just like after after Mark zuckerberg's blog post. I immediately reactive in my. I believe him. I thought well, of course, G it. Nope. But that was so genius. Because he took everything that people are complaining about in figured out a way to be even more anti-competitive and make more money by seemingly acquiescing to one one high level word that they used in their complaints. Well, you know, you evolved people notice because you're an expert in Brazilian jujitsu. And it was exactly what you do in jujitsu. Right. You tailgate was the opponents enemy and use it against them. And it works. It works better. If you mentioned him saying it in star casting voice. Under stay private. You mean, we can lock people. So I I read it in a nice honest. Tim, cook style voice and I- reactivate my Facebook account, and then by the end of twit last Sunday, I I realized anti that's exactly how. And I believe in my account. It's like what you got caught last time. He said, oh, it was the developers which is not going to give developers any data anymore. But we're launching our own dating service. And now this is like, oh, we're gonna use encryption. We'll still have all the data. But no one else is going to be private. We know what you want. Anyway, that's neither here nor there because we're here to talk about apple and it is now official and I'm just wondering show of hands. How many of you got invites to the March twenty fifth event? Rene, of course, Rene is going. And of course, I'm not going. It's what did what are the invite say Ri and it was like a video, right? It's show. It was three to one countdown. And then it's Showtime and the original one was on a pure black background. But if you go to apple dot com now and scroll down and click on the event page. It looks like it's the back of a MAC book or an ipad space base, gray minium. Oh, that's different than the one the invitation. They sent out to everybody. Okay. Yes. Here. It is. It's Showtime many years. It's fake then. If you let me turn off my team sent it to me as a new filter, and I didn't realize does look like a little titanium in the background. Or maybe to celebrate the relationship they're having with all these video, creators? That's what happened like after apple provided. It's notes on the I invite. Steve Jobs from the great said, you know, that is edgy black and white. We asked me shades of gray in their pleadings. Are we happy with the Kern? Who's Jon patch Caskey's invitation Sammy, no different ones this time on? Yeah. So no surprise. It's Showtime points to the fact that I think everybody, well, actually, it's interesting because patch Caskey kind of highlighted the headline to the news event as a news event. But really it's Showtime implies we're going to see the new TV offering. Yes. Yeah. And he said, no, ipads, but everybody's expecting you, ipads. I think you can't have an apple event without people expecting hardware anymore. So it's going to be interesting to see how they manage those expectations. Are they gonna give us with what we want and give us some hardware? They might wait till June 'til WWE. See and do all the hardware once because we know there are also new, laptops. Probably right. Well, the the the only real new ipad worth really thinking about is update to the three twenty nine base model educational ipad and that one probably or the but the. Okay. That's that's true. The the the basic the basic three twenty nine one they could do with just a press release. But if they do many, you're right, okay. How long it's been. It's been two years. The the the last meeting was announced this time of year right early in the year. The last time the mini four I remember September. But the last the I ipad nothing has been announced in April and March last year's April the press release March was the event. Okay. Remember, it is an educational thing. So that's what they'd stack that up at. And the ipad mini four is what two years old now three. Yeah. Yeah. It was a September event. Oh, by the way, we have an ipad mini four. It was like it was like one quarter of a slide at the end of fills. You know, how you know because it had a eight chip in it. So it's easier to do the math just eight twelve minus for it was four years old, right? Is it work that way? Not really before congress. Sort of works that way. Now, don't they do on new a every year? Yup. Thirteen everything will get the new way. Anyway, I like the ipad, mini, I wouldn't mind seeing senior releasing I guess what you could say. If you come out with an ipad mini on at this event. Two weeks is oh, and here's a great way to read apple news. The most affordable way to read apple news and watch apple video. So there I don't think any of them have. Here's what we we're almost certainly. No apple already has a news product. Oh, wait a minute. I got something from Tim Tim square box. Yeah. Look, let's just I'm gonna look inside very excited. It was about to send it to you. Then you hear it has Tim just arrived at our post office box three. Oh. You are not going art, Tim. At least he loves you. That was so great who came up with that. Oh, my staff, they're always. They're always thinking. I mean, I could have had a big hand with the button. But no, I got this. You've done it not as many lawyers. Nearly as many so we know that there's apple news. We know they bought texture which was a one price magazine subscription. They were big advertiser ours. And we loved them the idea was you get most most almost every magazine there are few missing. But but a lot of the big magazines for one low monthly fee, which was trying to remember was it. It was around ten dollars my subscription and can spoke in Canada was more things that were available in Canada's. Well, so I cried it was created by the magazine publishes themselves Condie in meritous, I think Roger's candidates. So they had a deal was easy to get all the magazines those deals all went by the wayside. When apple bought them. Apple we've already read in the Wall Street Journal's having was having trouble convincing people to go for the proposed offer the journal said it was fifty fifty. We we take the subscription we take half the money. And we don't give you information about the subscribers. But, hey, at least you're getting something in we discussed this at length, and I don't alter the ball. Further. We came to the conclusion that while it's a great deal for a national magazine that might be struggling on a newsstand where where do you find a newsstand these days, and and and can use the national exposure, it's not such a good deal as anti put out for like the Boston Globe or a paper that is local in nature because it's just that's just going to undercut them completely. I think for a national newspaper like the Wall Street Journal and New York Times or the Washington Post, it might be although all three of them have very successful digital efforts. Anyway, we'll find out it's a week from Monday, the twenty six I want to see is that like I I was I talked about this earlier today on more is that this just subscription fatigue. I was going through all my subscriptions. And there's just one after the other. I I set up a series shortcut where I can say audit. Subscriptions now, and it goes to that page because I've forgotten half the stuff that I've subscribed to and they're all like ten bucks a shot. And you don't think about it. When you do the micro transaction, but it really adds up and you start having a net flicks here, and who they're and then oh, apple music and now. Apple news, and Disney Disney, plus and all the all of these things. It's it's like one hundred bucks two hundred bucks. And I nobody is nobody's even trying to solve for that. Yet. I'm also keen to see how they've how they tried to adapt. A Netflix model which is full of. Hey, I had no idea. This movie was available or hey, I had no idea that this Korean soap opera even existed until it was recommended to me or till? I wrote read about in the club house that adapts to something that you're supposed to have like a regular weekly or monthly relationship with like a magazine. It's it's even marvel comics unlimited is really the only closest out analog at can think of and even there it's more of those. It's more like they're presenting you with a ten thousand twenty thousand back issues rather than here is the latest issue of whatever on all you can eat basis and DC's doing that weird thing where it's all DC like it's not all of wonder brothers. There's no Harry Potter, and it's not just DC comics, but DC comics and movies and TV shows, and that's like they're just all carving out these really weird spaces, and they all want them bucks. Disney. Disney's the opening their own channels. So we're in wanting it doesn't Disney content, which means we want any marvel content. That's not going to be on Hulu. It's going to probably beyond this channel really something. I got to pay for the comic separately from the movies, which is a, but I do get the, but I do get the Star Wars stuff. There's just like as a consumer. It's so confusing. This kind of the this is what we asked for when we said, we don't wanna pay the high prices of of cable of owning cable we wanna be able to pick and choose what we want. So we're getting it now. So why are we complaining about how many subscriptions we have? When this is literally what we want to be able to pick and choose what we did. Right. Bundle. It right. What they want these same companies that we said stop trying to sell us. These huge bundles that we don't watch. Now, we're telling them we want you to bundle it all into one. So it's a lot easier for us to subscribe to it or just give it to us free. I mean, that's what saying I'm not gonna pay for apple subscriptions. But if they give it to me free with the device, I'll take it. So that's the question. What are we going to get at how we how is apple going to package? This. We've talked before about apple prime where they give you one fee for everything. I cloud movies magazines, apple music, all together, you know. And that would be an interesting, I pay a hundred bucks a year for that. And notice that's not ten dollars. You pay for apple music now, and it's like eight hundred times. So how much would it be two hundred bucks a month year? I think people are thinking like if it was apple prime, it'd be like fifty bucks a month. It'd be like a ton of different stuff. Like if it was an eye non-stars. Well. Well, I think that's a nonstop. I guess it depends. What it really includes? Like if it's apple music, apple TV, apple news. And I phone upgrade program where you get free phone essential in on free. But you've got a replacement phone every year apple care plus on that phone. I cloud storage. I mean, they'll have to build one of those graphs where Steve's like, yes. You know, people by a phone now, and they buy an ipod because we sell it to them, and they pay four hundred and fifty bucks for this charge. You up anymore. Yeah. It's it's really hard to guess, isn't it because I can't I was as as it happens. This I spent part of this morning editing, a collaborative document in pages. And after I had finished what I needed to do and went back to my meditation. It it's it it was a slick enough, and and eventful Lavigne Lewis enough procedure that once again, I'm thinking that when apple does decide to pivot fully towards services and Bank their future on their ability to make everything that they do work as well as collaborative editing on pages that's going to be hysterically funny to watch that's going to be an amusing three or four years because I've I was I was handed. I was handed a link at. Okay, great. So I clicked on this. I click on this link and it tries to open it in the web browser as opposed to in pages in the desktop app. And then it wouldn't actually open it until I signed into I cloud, and I signed into I cloud. And now I have to verify that. I am the person who is. Trying to open this document. And in the meantime, it had signed me out of I cloud, and it was like, oh, okay. So their ability to give me I cloud services plus apple music, plus streaming video plus plus plus plus they're going to have to elevate their game. If they're going to have to demonstrate that this is going to be worth ten or fifteen bucks a month. It's interesting that the invitation really focused on the show, not the news. So does that imply maybe it's all going to be bundled. Or is just it's going to be I Rueda's show. Your is is news time worse catchphrase. True, or is or is the news products. Or is the news products still up in the air enough? They don't have the they they were it's po- I easily imagined that just as they weren't going to schedule this video and outspent until they knew that they would get the there would get Bryan singer up on the stage. Get Oprah on the stage. They would get surviving. Beatles on the stage. They're not going to do the news product until they've got the deals with three or four specific people thereafter absolutely locked down. So maybe it's that there's these either it's just not ready yet, or they're still actually just writing all these contracts to make sure that they can say and look who and we've got Oprah magazine. And look we've got I I'm actually starting to blank thinking about actual news is still in publication. On the stage. If I were them a week from Monday, pre Larson is that she's just signed a deal to star in and produce a drama at at she's the star of the new captain marvel movie and probably the hottest actor in Hollywood this week. Anyway until endgame comes out next. Yeah. Right. Well, you know, how it is. You gotta take it when you get. But this is yet another big name rarely big-name apple has signed. I mean, it's kind of amazing weird that their budget is a weird strategy because they're spending way less on on content than Amazon or Netflix are. But what they are spending on is really big names. They're not going to have anywhere near the quantity of programming and remains to be seen the quality that they get. But the names that they've gotten our tactics, and the names don't names drive people to subscribe. I mean, look you have to have a tent pole like game of thrones. But they have one. And then they have like an after that episode is finished. You can go watch endless catalogue content. If like the Jennifer Aniston show is finish. What do you watch? Well, that's going to be. I mean that'll be interesting. I mean, what they may do is what age b o does. Although HBO by the way, now that they're owned by Time Warner. I mean, not time one another Time Warner is owned. I can't keep track of it who owns. Anyway, the Pepsi own every I think that that that they're they're being pushed to move more like to Netflix model where he's crank out stuff as fast as you can. But what HBO always did, which was brilliant was they would have these big debuts. And then when that show ended they'd have another one. And so they had a tent pole. That was almost yearly all the around. They'd have ten polls as they were able to create more content. Maybe apple is going to do that. If I like the idea that they will have their sort of temp polish shows like you were talking about where every season, there's something big. That's gonna come out next. Keep you subscribing. We also can have you know, some some maybe smaller version not everything of of items movies on TV. So we can go watch a movie that you might normally have to buy or rent or we could go watch TV show that you might normally have to get the whole season or visually save they're all kind of package together. Then you watch all of your itunes movie and TV content. And then when this special TV shows comes out. Like, you're saying you have a reason to keep subscribing every season because there's something new coming out. And maybe they overlap a little so that you can own now there's a new show that we're watching. So we gotta keep our subscription. So for variety it's reported that Apple's forthcoming product, and again, we should stress. This is all speculation apple isn't saying when low in a couple of weeks will offer access to both original content and other SVOD services. So you might have stars. You might have who knows HBO you might have other stuff. The us and every time they use it on. Yeah. It's like the Amazon model where within the app itself, you can subscribe through apple these other programs. So, you know, Hulu HBO stars shudder. TV all of those could could go through apple to get you into your subscription, and it's all kind of packaged in one place. Already get on apple TV. The just if this is true. It's just it's within an app or a program. That's that's Appleby. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, according to variety, they think that the apple shows, we'll be free that they'll come with an apple device, you know, because you'll have TV on it free. Apple shows could this is this is the thinking free apple shows could reach hundreds of millions of consumers in the US alone. That would explain how they're getting these big names free accessibility. Can let apple reach consumers. Other streaming services don't necessarily reach including people with cable subscriptions right now. Right. That aren't you know, I mean, I bet you there people right now spend spent hundred bucks on cable that don't bother spending money on Netflix because they have more content than they can eat anyway, free accessibility can let apple upsell customers to these paid SVOD services. So down the line apple could roll out a paid tear. This is again speculation from variety on its streaming service separate from the core original shows that initially made available for free. This wouldn't be completely out of left field from apple either apples. For franchises. It could eventually service hooks to lure subscribers to a Netflix subscription service. According to CNBC, I'm I'm reading it from variety because Reidy is the Hollywood kind of newspaper, and my it's my best guest that they are. Well informed about Apple's plans by everybody Hollywood who's been talking. Yeah. Yeah. Don't have apple traditional secrecy. Right. Ten so good. I it is weird. It's just thinking that Amazon service and Netflix service and Hulu service. They all have these wonderful original content that they pay for that have huge audiences and also critical payment on carefully Oscar nominations, but they also have the safety net behind them that if they were that they also have this catalogue of TV shows and movies that they already have that you're going to get no matter what HBO has the same sort of thing where whether or not this new whatever new series are going to do an after game of thrones pays off or not. They will always have the ability to show, you the movies that you missed three months ago and are not worth paying five dollars to to to to rent online. If it's going to be interesting to see how apple packages this. If they don't have if they have wonderful original content with people that you names and craters that you recognize. But if you're if you're just not interested in Larson's react. Pranked show. And then okay, I'm not gonna watch we watch that for two minutes, and you turn it off and look for something else. But there isn't ten episode ten seasons of Bob's burgers waiting for you. When you ditch out of that. What happens then? Yeah. It's I'm not saying, I I I know what apple should be doing or what or this is going to fail. It's just that. It's it's fun to have this thing where I honestly don't know. Apple clearly has a plan apple knows how they're going to be successful with this. I just don't see what the obvious path is for them launching a service that will be important immediately. I'm the same way. Like, I know what I want is a consumer. I'm willing to I'm really you'll have apple before it showing me things that I didn't know I want it ended up wanting them. But I know what I want as a consumer. And you have to give it to me or they have to show me. Why what they're offering is better than what I expected. Remember when when all these rumors were starting with their when during the Steve Jobs is last days, there were are are a lot of stories were coming out about how things are winding down, and how cryptic things he would be. He would say that people didn't some whoever heard this didn't know what the full story was a cable companies that we've we've finally found a way we can crack cable TV, a written crack television. And maybe this is still an offshoot of whatever it was that whatever the original idea was that apple five or six or seven years ago. Yeah. Or or whether it was that was cracked for a reason we decided to put it up on the shelf and build a new one of those. But it's just a lot of a lot of reasons to wonder exactly what's going to be going on. Well, we hope we will see a lot of teasers clips in celebrities, and it's going to be Rene Richie our correspondent on the red carpet a week from Monday. Ten AM is free. Apple did maybe tease something in about the new news feature when they released ten fourteen four it's out in beta now, and there is apparently a hook for something to do with magazine. Subscriptions, what's again, Steven Troughton Smith Troughton Smith has come up with screen shots. We here's one little dialogue. That says newish is available National Geographic bona Petit in fast company. About the new icon, though. I mean next to next to slack. It's the most confusing thing for me to. And like it. I like it. It's fine. I just don't recognize it after hunting my screen trying to find what it is. I'm. Religion and not worry about finding the app stick it in your witch. So you don't understand what's like to live in Canada with a news in the widget. Not always seems to parallel. It's like they will have to give us which at news, which is drunk guy writes, moose and may spill. And when you do that, that's true. All right. I do agree with you. It's like, it's it's just a letter end. It's a stylized letter and that does nothing to reference or hook into what this app actually does. It's not like the FedEx logo where. Oh, well, look, there's actually an arrow imbedded in the logo or any of these other wonderful at by cons where as a definite relevant cognitive relevance. I this I mean this could be like the Netscape logo. There are nest cafe or anything whereas Louis Mantilla when you need him. The notifications. Have you are else game? That's HTTPS Cohen slash apple dot news. And as you can see there's quite a few things on apple dot news following for you in history are are and save those are all part of the current news at but those magazine related ones are diagnoses. Subscription. That's new not subscriptions plural to singular. We're really spend a lot of reading into. Makes this fun. That's true. If it's if it's subscription singular that could be here's a here's a link to an actual magazine that is available for subscription as opposed to the once you've already gone. See your subscription to apple news. Which will include all of those other things that you lived. I love the idea of being able to access all the different news organizations that I love reading the articles for but I can't afford to have a subscription to each one of them. And therefore, I hit my five article max, you know, halfway through the week or something like that. I would love to be able to have access to them all the time instead of just a handful of them that you know, it's I love them. All I just can't afford them. All. I wonder what's economics though, is of that. No. The the the the recurring complaint that every single music publisher has about streaming services. Is that yes, you get ears? But you don't get money. They bunch further. They much rather. Go back to those wonderful days could charge eighteen dollars for a CD. Even if it only has two songs they actually want. But they got a by the seven others of them given that a subscription to an online subscription to like, a major major online publication will cost like five bucks a month or ten bucks a month. How if if if if it if a news app that comes built into comes pre preloaded onto onto every single apple device. Bring some new new is how is that going to bring this magazine more money, and maybe I can be supporting this MAG this publication better by actually just going through the web, which is the way that I normally aggregate like brand new. Articles and stuff like that. And give them the full amount without having to give even at one penny to to apple. Yeah. I mean that that's a great thing to to think about and consider because we want to support these organizations that have brought us so much great information in media in the past. But the truth is that that's not the way the world works anymore. Yeah. We used to buy newspapers that were delivered to our door every day. And we went to the to the store, and we bought the magazines that we love our we had a subscription in the paper magazine came to his, but that's literally not the way the world works anymore, and these organizations have to find other ways to do it. And it I think that if if the New York Times previously could reach a wide audience of around around the US, and then they couldn't reach anybody else because nobody else was going to subscribe to this. And then here's apple apple news coming along and saying there's five million more people that could start subscribing to you. But it's it's only a portion of what? You were normally getting will New York Times already losing readership anyway because the way the world is turning so no it's not what they could have got fifteen or twenty years ago. But it's something that they literally couldn't have gotten at all if not for organ Elliott, not for something. I service like this happening. Good point. Let's see here. I guess that's all we have Consejo possibly about the twenty fifth. That's it's just around the corner. We will find that we will know more and Rene will be there. And then we'll do. A livestream is always ten AM Pacific two PM eastern time Monday, March twenty fifth and Rene you think they'll probably announce other hardware it in June. I would think right. I could be some of the stuff could be like they did the in previous years they've done everything from just announce the new I update for the ipad inter press release. I think they did briefings for the rent they usually have a red iphone variant in this brings it could be a bunch of stuff that just comes out comes out. That's not at the event, or there could be some stuff they want to show off their and then for the for WBZ, it's gone both ways last year. There was no new hardware the year before that there was so much new hardware that Laura Gill, and I were literally carrying two I max in a MAC book pro out of the venue up the hotel. Go to get the reviews done. Yeah. So, you know, which one I prefer his let's art from the reviewers standpoint. But from a consumer point gimme all the hardware. Yeah. I think it'd be great. If they had an update to apple TV. I don't know what that would be because the current model. Apple TV is great. But now. Dongola announcing adult. Yeah. Sure, if they were announcing something that was all about watching TV, I'm watching movies through some news service. A new apple TV to go along with it sounds like a great idea. According to rumor nine to five MAC, the new ipad will have a touch ID fingerprint reader and headphones it won't be a big debris design. So maybe that that is the kind of thing he released in a in a memo, right? Press release whatever. If they were to delete touch ID that means that the changing to new Basil's new case design also things same, exactly. So this way, they can keep the tooling. They have the existing product. Then then just upgrade the processor. Let's take a break. More to come Rene Ritchie. Laurie Gil from I more and India nocco from Boston public radio our show today. Brought to you by the last pass. I tell you what I am. Without last pass. I I don't I don't I'm out of luck. But fortunately, I have is pets everywhere. That's really the beauty of last pass. Whether it's MAC windows, even Lennox any browser that you use at of course, IOS and Android. You always have last past there to generate long strong random passwords passwords that are. Yes. Unmemorable storm safely away keep them there. Let you know when you try to use reuse a password that you've used somewhere else keep you from doing that discourage you from doing that in a lot more last past is the best way. 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In fact, I would say that the iphone camera is probably better in some ways with for instance, color, accuracy and the nights site on the Google pixel is better for low light. But there is something that this Samsung does I really like it's got three lenses kind of like apple but one better. Right. So you can L had going for it to now. Samsung's got it. Let me see if I could find good example. Here's a good example. I we were in San Francisco shooting pictures, that's the kind of the closest inlands, I guess you in apple parlance, telephoto. This is the standard medium range lens. And then this is the wide angle. And so great it's so wide that it's you actually get barrel distortion, but that's kind of fun effect. That's actually. And I didn't miss this. It's like they went and then took it one degree back. Yeah. I think it's eighteen millimetres. My guess this is the same thing. This is the standard. I'm standing about six feet from a motorcycle. This is I didn't move same shot different land so badly, Leo. Phone, but I really I kind of want a super wide is such an important thing. Because you can't there's a point where you can't move any further back. Right. And so you have to there so many times where I've had to take a panorama of something because I just say it back. Alright enough sneakers illness on. Yeah. Here's the contemporary Jewish museum in San Francisco. I'm standing right under it. There's no way you could get this architectural shot. And if you imagine like the interface we have now where you press that button, and he just zoom in to two x if you could press another button zoo Backley what they'd call it minus two X spot. Distortion? I mean, you even this person in the shot is actually bent because of the curvature in the land. So I mean, there's probably physics like no, no offense to Samsung. But the the camera software people both. Tori, Lee better. Yeah. And there's probably a lot of AI. They could use to. Already do that already. Distortion? Yeah. Here's a here's a picture. I took of of Megan wide angle, medium tight. You. Gotta be careful with the White House. It's not gonna get you get too close and people people. Yes. Getting hate me for taking it. She's gonna hit me for showing it. But a little bit here. So screens great camera. I think the camera images are pretty high quality. I I do think the iphone and pixel probably beat it in certain regards after I watched his review of the galaxy S ten YouTube suggested Marquez review of the galaxy S five and just looking back with all my God. We've come a long way back. Yeah. All just amazing alley have gotten their hardware game. Together demos is telling me that the wide is thirteen millimeters. So that's really fish eight. So that's really close. This is a ceramic back got the kind of the premium one. And I wish apple would use ceramic. I really like ceramic. I I have to say, I it's such a classy. Look, it's such a classy feel when you put color into ceramic. It's a depth of color that you just can't get with anything else. It's it's slippery is Hello. Yeah. I I, you know, I ordered a case. But because it's a new phone the case isn't coming tomorrow. And I am just I'm such you wanna see it at the at least for the first few days. What you paid for? Am I careful paid for his right? Because this is the top of the line with ceramic back a terabyte internal storage, which is funny because I usually you still put an S card and by habit. I had the camera saving pictures to S T. And then I realized oh, I shouldn't be doing that. Let's try to fill it. Anyway. It sounds like a lot you always find a way to. I don't know that's an awful lot. And then it's got twelve gigs of ram, which is an awful lot of random. I don't know if it needs that much ramp. I'm sorry. Go ahead. You need a lot around fifty terabyte. It might be. I don't know computer in a computer as then a phone has ever been a computer, exactly. Samsung and apple both have their they both have their own perspectives and identities on how they build their phones apples is always we have the latest not only deliver technology, but the technology works as opposed to Samsung, which is we got there. First at it makes for a great press release, but it doesn't actually really function. But Samsung's attack is always there are some people that feel or actually do need the most powerful device you can actually hold in your hand and sticking a pocket so powerful that you can actually connect a keyboard and a screen to it and really use it almost like a desktop, computer. And that's exactly what the Samsung top of the line galaxies about I do one recommendation though. And that is that nobody should use the facial like turn off the facial. Let's like its own YouTube videos to unlock the phone. Yeah. But they just leave that off in factor. Print turn it off because it was so quickly recognizing anything that looked roughly. Now, put your hand up there. Move your lips like that. And it will intellectually lock you remember that apple was rumored was considering the inscription fingerprint reader for the iphone ten and decided not to do it. Samsung's bundling in a an opt a a subsidize it. Solitaire sonic. Thank you, not an optical, but his ultrasonic reader under the screen, and unfortunately, I have it set up. So that unlocks what I'm at work. So I I should how can I lock it off to figure out a way to lock the thing. But it's not great on the other. Are there is locked it? So you see the fingerprint image on the screen, and you have to hold it there for no it didn't match, and that's real pretty pretty. Yeah. But it's not perfect. And that's kind of a problem. It's a little slower. I did get used to it and it so I think that's part of it. I had to get used to the Qualcomm or the synoptic ultrasonic. I don't know. Check. So maybe call them, you know, you could see it's a little slower than fingerprint anywhere else and sees a little more. More about ten he is so fast. But you know, what I don't mind you just get used to it. You get used to it. And you get and you live with it. And I think it's fairly secure and probably our time to the way iphone worked with with touch ID an face idea. It started out kind of slow and even just software updates helped you increase the speed on that you may be training to spending more time using it. It's getting to know your finger. I just might my. Yes, it's not as fast as Apple's touch ID was it's a little finicky because there's no way to know. You just have to look for where to touch it. Although I guess you get used to that part. But I it's fine. I'm kind of comfortable with it now. And so it's usable. It's not perfect. It's not better. But it's it's usable again. That's that's something that you see you really have to appreciate about our iphones. All right pets that touch ID work for work straight ahead straightaway. And I remember there. Being very more leg inside my head than there was actually inside the CPU face ID the same thing where I had to learn not I don't have to actually pose for the camp. Most of the face did unlock it literally. It was like because as soon as soon as I'm looking at the screen. It's waiting for me to simply swipe up to to unroll the unroll the screen. It's it's that one thing that gives you faith in it and a long in the long term. So when even when it does improve your still totally on board again, that's that's a weakness with Samsung compared to to apple they will come out with these things that are kind of working, but not quite what they should be. And also Samsung is you don't know if they're committed to continuing to evolve this thing remember that face recognition face on lock is not something they just unrolled this year. This is something that they were made fun of a year or two ago when it first came out in the I I think it was the the was the us nine but in your two ago, the I've had. Exactly. And and and the should not when they have the their flagship phone, you should not still be able to defeat it with the very first trick that would occur to you and how to defeat face ID. So that's that's what's frustrating about Samsung, a lot of superlatives that they rightly earned, but one of the things that they are always going to be knocked for in my eyes that don't come up with a feature, and it seems like more repeat feature than a commitment to actually evolve this technology to make the phone better. Put it maybe a little bit differently. I think because they still also have the antiquated Android pattern swiping to unlock it. I think that they just give you a variety. They this is very Samsung they give you a ton of different ways to do anything and you get to pick. And if you want secure, you you can use one's more secure. And also like the like, there's a big the a lot of people love the Tenny because his fingerprint sensor is an aside and it's super super fast. But then you can't use it as easily when it's lying on a table. Because you gotta get to that that finger everything is a is a compromise. But I think it's. It's hard for people. Here is that they had the iris scan which was a secure version albeit had his own limitations, and that's gone away took that I guess they didn't because the notch. They didn't have enough version. They don't they don't have the kids. They could've done three holes. To you this notch. Does not bother me. It's basically where the notifications are just means that if occasion slid over people just complain so much. And even even if I open like the calendar app where you can see the notch. It's not a big deal. I don't think the button can be remapping. Now, I remember it too. So I can put my text messages pop up much faster. That's nice. Google assistant, which would be nice. But I have to say Bixby is you know, I can double tap to get Bixby in Bixby has gotten much better and is much more useful including routines that are very much like apple shortcuts. So I have routines. For instance. This phone is now in the work routine. That's why it's unlocked, and it it it puts to not disturb on so very much like apple shortcuts. It can have location based routines. It could have voiced triggered routines. So they've definitely kind of noticed what Apple's doing shortcuts into to some degree. I was that's that's what I was going to say. I mean, I know that apple believes that clicky buttons and anything that Mars, the the the the purity of an unbroken surface is an anthem ah. But if you if they gave us one button that that was easy to get to physically on the on the edge of the device that we could just simply map to any shortcut we want or any or. Actually, how it's one of those things that would do so much to make your phone your phone because every it's it's great to. It's it's great that it's a double tap. The power button has become almost universal action on every phone to launch the camera app. But there's a lot of people for whom their to do list is their camera app. It's like the thing that they're probably picking up the phone to do and to be able to give your give first priority first level of of access to that. Boy, that would be a great thing about maybe I'll map into the camera come to think of it that might be better. The only thing I do really like about Android in general. I think Samsung does this very well. It's the ultimately, customizable, so I've really made this phone my own way. I just can't do with the iphone partly. That's widgets. So I have a lot I use which it's an awful lot. So I have a lot of widgets a calendar widget them, you know, all sorts of different stuff on here that makes it very easy for me to see. See at a glance what's going on? I am using a different launcher to apple. You're stuck with springboard. But with Andrew there are a variety of launchers. I don't like the Samsung launcher, but that's not a problem. I can have a launcher. This has all my music on here. This has all my apps on this side. I can customize it Andrew Samsung still has that edge menu, which I find actually useful. And if I in a constrained way, if I use it in a certain way, and I really love this. I only have two rows of icons, but the action launcher that I use allows me to either tap the icon to run that program or swipe, Dan and open it. It's actually a hidden folder that contains the apps in that category. So it's a very I can get to every app very quickly and easily right from the front of the screen that kind of customization I wish apple would put in Oregon. See, I don't know you remember this. But we hired a new high to writer two years ago. And he turned in all these articles and she had a Samsung phone and everyone of the screen shots had a lined paper background with comic songs. Typeface? So you have to use sponsors. That's the point. Great power with great, customization responsibility. I understand no rumors for a while that apple was doing that big redesign in one of the reasons why we didn't get dark mullet was because they were working on a larger theme kit, and I don't know if that'll be ready for through. We're thinking it'll ever go as far as what Android does. But they're like I is on version twelve and there's no management like adobe is going to have to do their own cloud based funds because there's no concept of font management among other things on IOS, and those are problems that as the system grows up or just not tenable. So hopefully, we will get that theme kit and that font Cam. So I have a little bit of the fun long offered Nunnelee five manager but a variety of fonts. I actually don't use the standard fun. I liked the fonts like marker felt dot com. Songs? Yeah. At least though. And then just to understand irony. I wonder what they'll. It's it's that's another against this is an apple show. So it's so I I keep coming back to like, there's these are these signature differences between apple and Android and Samsung, which was kind of its own brand almost that. I love I love my Android phone because like you said, I can't chain. Whatever is that bugs me about it. I can probably change it. But Apple's stances always been most people want it to work if they they're they're not fixated on making sure it gets to be ninety nine percent exactly how they want it to work if the manufacturer can get it to eighty five to ninety percent. And but that's how it works out of the box. And there's no way to screw it up. That's a feature for I think the I think the majority of the people out there again, I value Android for for customize -bility. But I wonder how many people are even aware of that you can add to a home screen or that you can install an alternative launcher blaming the magic. When when when people when when people ask me, oh, I'm surprised us an Android phone. What you use it? And I show them a couple of features. They're like oh. Oh my God. I never know what. Well, that's great. Well, what kind of phone? Do you have? Well, I have a I have an ATC. Well, okay. Well, you can guess this launcher that does the exact same thing. You're so. I we actually live that drama every day in my house because you know, I'll show Lisa this. And she said, well, that's really great. I'd love that. But I don't want to. I am not a person who wants to spend one second customizing my phone. She said, and she's very happy. In fact, I am very happy with the iphone until I go to something like this. And I spend literally this is five days worth of tweaking digging within the menus, you can you can tweak a Samsung forever. I spent very little time tweaking my iphone. But now when I go back to it, I go oh. It can't do that. That's exactly what we're talking about. Is this argument that we should stop saying things like IOS is bad because x in run Android is bad because wise, like they're meant for different types of Rogerson analogies, and and we should embrace those instead of saying my phone's better than yours or my operating system is better than yours because it does it different. I love the Android operating system. But I use an iphone. That's my my main driver an I love the Android operating system. Exactly for what you're talking about. Which is that you can have more customized stuff, and they also do a beautiful user interface while giving you more access to your customization 's. But I don't do that. I don't spend five days customizing, my my my software. So I phoned is the thing that gives me what I want. Just just the presence of of apple and the iphone drives Android, become better. In the hammered. Come better presence of Android, an Android and Android hardware. Drives apple to make the iphone better. It's it's is great for consumers. Yeah. I was just going to say that I was all like previously before the iphone was introduced I was all in on had windows. I had XBox. I had both windows mobile phones. And I would spend hours tweaking everything like I would make my when they announced the iphone. I made my trio look like an iphone because I couldn't get an iphone yet, and you can do that. And then when I was at work, and I just like I got a new machine, and the it was windows vista and the machine from Dell ship with a graphics car that had no driver on the machine. So it just wouldn't vote and the IT guy who was running Lennox at the time said, look, we're just getting you a MAC because like you you say you enjoy doing this. But you're nothing but angry all the time. And I think if he wouldn't weren't physically able to do it you would just shut up at work. And that'd be better for all. That's true. That's a good point. There's a reason why. Athletes that doesn't judge you. He doesn't point out the flaws in your own person tells you to do. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, it's kind of nice as Samsung releases these phones kind of midway through the lifespan of the iphone because it gives you some ideas of what the next iphone, for instance. I think three lenses really are a nice feature. There was a rumor that Iowa's thirteen might allow you to customize or modify the springboard on an ipad. This is a really good example springboard hasn't really changed substantially in years. The last big feature update was he ability to had folders, and it really doesn't use the real estate on an ipad well or efficiently at all. There was a rumor that perhaps the next version of IRS would allow you to do that credible. Was it was rumored froyo S twelve. But then they went to that performance kick. And that was the real deal like they took the best engineers like the people who made springboard the people or, you know, different people make it, but the people who worked on collection views and the people who worked on auto lay out and had them. Frame. Right. So those people were literally not available to do any further work on it. But it's supposedly been pushed off to this year where we will see primarily for iphone ipad. Although I would think that iphone needs some love in spring bar too. Because that that it is aging, and it's no longer up to the task of everything we want to do with it. But it's super interesting. It's like Fraser Speirs at a really good article a couple of days ago about how ipad multitasking failed him like it was just too complicated swipe up swipe up again, he did it wrong. Gonna try again, the absolute and the dock an all these different things. And you know, a lot of people said, oh, you know, Apple's lost it. They used to be simple, and that's a fair criticism. But if you go back to like, the great Christie as ordering in ranch how to re time they didn't have to solve problems like multi window, apps either. I'm interested in how they would do it. But they there's a level of complexity now and the split for split view version on MAC has just abandoned where but windows has done really interesting stuff with different management systems and some of the Android devices as well. Seems like there's if you take some really really good people, and you apply them to how do we how do we add these admittedly complex features? But keep the interaction models. Simple and easy for everyone to do. You know, any really you do like the stuff that was written about in creative selection. You do a lot of real hardcore dogs looting on it. I'm I'm hopeful that we could get something really good of them this June. At the pressure is definitely on them to improve this sort of thing, particularly for the ipad as they continue to position it as here is why you shouldn't buy Chromebook. Here's why you shouldn't buy a thousand dollars sub thousand dollar windows machine. Because we've got a machine that is not just as powerful it is more powerful and the build quality is going to be way better and the level of the mobile software. Well, adapted towards use of a bluetooth. Keyboard is going to be so much happier with us. It's all the stability and security of Chromebook while still having the productivity and flexibility of a Microsoft surface. And. And a lot of the missing pieces are exactly what Fraser Speirs was talking about. It's the ability to manage multiple apps manager, a work a workflow where apple can't really predict how I'm going to want to set up my apps my resources for this one project. I have to do this morning and then quickly adapt. This ipad for what the separate project. I'm going to be working on after lunch. And so that's definitely place where the ipad has let me down. I don't I I I'm still like a daily ipad user, but I still do not instinctively know how do I do split screen now? How do I move? Why is this now a floating window as opposed to I've actually want this to be any split is blitz section of the screen now I used to know how to do that. Now. I know I still have to fumble a couple of times for it. Get it. Right. When is the I'm just looking trying to find. When is the beta thirteen come out June second. Okay. Yeah. That'd be w. Right at WWE. So we anything we hear now is speculation. But I am in third. I am really looking forward to that. I feel and I've said this a couple of times I love my ipad pro twelve point nine type, bro. But it is great hardware hobbled by in, you know, inadequate software. Yeah. And the biggest challenge is to make you happy. And you know, someone's really doesn't like computers. But that's the thing. That's what apple is true. Like, my sister for alertly sister is brilliant. She's director of psychology at a hospital. She's really smart, but she uses her iphone primarily to play music to make phone calls. And to barely detects. Like, she doesn't know idea. What control center is doesn't wanna know wanna know notification center is and any of those things would just get in her way. So to be able to make it like be what a wide range of customers. That's you know, I'm glad it's not my problem. But it's absolutely their job. It's challenge. You know? I noticed though that at Lisa who is kind of more like your sister. Rejects the ipad for serious work. She always ends up saying, I gotta get my MAC book air because it's hard for her to do the things she needs to do like like proposals. You know, partly that's because Google docs is not very good on the ipad for years has been horrific on the ipad. I don't know if that's intentional or not intentional. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe what do you think? They're brilliant brilliant. Keep looking at the like, I've asked every which way you can ask a question about the level of like that safari. And they're like, we could write anything you want for this. Yeah. Might not be a priority for them to make it look at the numbers and say, look, we're happy to support chrome. And if it's not krone, then you get whatever it's not experience. Also also to be fair. I put a lot of time in on a on on my pixelbook at actual Chromebook and this chrome and the modern Chromebooks can run Android apps from the Google play store as well as web apps, and I find myself, I do have the Google docs app installed as an Android app. But I find myself gravitating towards the web version because it just works better as a full screen app as as opposed to an app that's designed for a phone screen, but then could scale up to a tablet size. So maybe it's not so much there tanking their own apps on I s so much as they they they speak. They speak the language of the mobile app. Very very well. But their first language will. Always be web apps from. Funny experience. I was on. I was on a call with Lori earlier in chrome and chrome froze and it froze every electron up on my computer. Oh Skype and slack off at the same time. I don't know what happened. But I couldn't I had to restart the whole thing. That's not supposed to happen. No. And but it was actually like went out that Google Drive aside Google's apps on IOS are very good at some cases better than their Android versions. So it's you know, I mean maps in Iowa is excellent. I phone because I think specifically iphone is really worth their while because it has such a huge market in such valuable eyeballs. But when you come to the priority of ipad is probably you know, we do we do the wet. We do chrome which is not quite the web. But we do chrome then we try to make a wreck on other browsers, depending on how popular they are. They media why phone, and then, you know, maybe Android and then probably ipad comes in one or two steps underneath. Because I won't be. So sure how many Renee and Laurie how many times have you talked to developers and found out the reason why they decided to do an ipad version of their popular desktop app was because everybody and their everybody in their shop bought, ipads, and they let the developers love their ipads. And they want to do more things on their ipads. I wouldn't be surprised if I I'm sure I'm sure that in Mountain View on the the Google campus. If they have the option of not using a Google tab, an Android powered tablet, and they could use it. And I had felt definitely be using that ipad. Instead, I've I've used both get Chromebooks. Let's see minke quo says apple is going to start get ready for this manufacturing an AR headsets. But don't get ready to soon because it won't be till the end of this year or early next in Lille that sounds soon it does sound soon sooner than I would have thought what what what what are you? Is it credible? Does he mean in quantity or does? He mean mass production mass production. Okay. That that's feels early to me. Because I I don't know. A again, we re it's almost like the conversation that we were having about an apple video services that I'm sure that if they were to make one I'm sure that they would have good reasons to and they would do something with it. And they have a business model for it. I don't under- knowing what I know about Blair Rable, comp-, not not technology or the finished products are out there. But the actual components that are available to design from I find it hard to imagine apple looking at the device that they could build this time next year and decide that. Yeah. We want an apple logo on that her. Yes, we want someone to point to that person on the subway wearing one of those things and know that they're an apple user they'd much rather make fun of people wearing Google glass. They'd much rather much rather. Look at other companies that are doing things that are now have two or three years of age to them like hololens, and they're still not not inconspicuous. They're also not delivering on what we imagine a are going to be it's still as much as well. As it integrates into your field of view. You're still basically looking at one narrow gauge mail slot in which they could augment your reality. And they can't do anything with your personal vision. So it's it's hard for me. Imagine apple shipping. Something that I would think of Snapple product anytime in the next year or two. Well, true. In public, right? So it's not I mean, any other company you would have look how long Microsoft been testing hololens. I mean, this most recent version is four years old when they just announced last month, and I guess it's a consumer version, although it's thirty five hundred bucks. And it's definitely not ended aimed at end users same business. So there in my opinion, still testing it magically is definitely in developer mode. But they're doing it in public. And in some cases, apple just doesn't do that. Right. They're not going to release it device in the iphone. Yeah. They're using the iphone to do it in public. They're using a our kit and an emoji and stuff to get us used to operating in augmented spaces and with augmented avatars sort of very slowly boiling us like frogs instead of just throwing us into a boiling pot. The way like some of the big headsets do, but that tech and even these rumors suggest that this this device is gonna heavily rely on the iphone more than even the original apple watched because all the compute all the render everything is going to be done on the iphone. And then I imagine it'll be an untutored connection. At spits it out onto the lenses in front of you. But the lenses will still have to capture a bunch of information just to in order to be spatially. Correct. And because you're not gonna want to walk around with your iphone at chest level to sort of like the data spigot. So I mean, there's there's towns like there's still profound engineer and there's possible that Apple's special projects teams have figured out a lot of this diabetes. They it. But maybe they've licked. I it seems early to me. It does seem it seems someone who's is a lot of this stuff. We haven't yet seen anything from anybody including magically, but hollow lens that is anywhere near a consumer products. Check ins, none of that is near consumer product. And I wouldn't expect apple to do anything less than a consumer product. And like at least an apple watch level, apple losses. It's it's so it's so easy to integrate a camera into a set of I glass frames display device again. I just haven't seen anything outside of a lab that is capable of giving you something. Even even if you're going to wear like nerd glasses that you that will not call attention to itself to say nothing of the problem of what if you don't naturally wear glasses. I I haven't advantage. I can switch to again the nerd frames? If I want a thicker nerd frames and that that high things inside the circuitry, but what if you don't need? What if you're one of those Harley disadvantaged people with perfect vision that did not get made fun of and don't have to keep wiping lenses every single every single ten minutes. I again, I just don't know how that really works would be really interesting, but they make up part. Yeah. You partner with ravens the way you partner with her sunglasses Rene that that's something. I was actually thinking of remember how the they created so many links into the fashion and design communities with when they Ridgely did the apple watch. I would not be surprised at all. If they were already working with designers on here's how to make this thing palatable. And also when we've they've got there is five years in the future. Here are. Special designed frames. So that just like there's only one style of apple watch. He said pointing to ETA absolutely bare wrist, I know, but but the thing is when everyone's when you see it you see that you're oh that person's obviously wearing an apple watch. If it became just like people know that you're wearing airports, or at least they did until China start knocking off the design for really really bad to their phones. But they could do the exact same thing. Where one of the ways they could make it palatable is that. Yes, you're wearing this device on the side of your on the side of your head. But hey, look, it's one of those apple things. So it could actually be a brand identity thing for them. Apple sunglasses. They just happen to have a are a lag that. Wayne, Wayne idea that Leo had. Yeah. I think I mean this. I mean, I'm so nostalgic for the apple that like would release something and everybody gasped, and it changed the world in the iphone was one of those things that I had to some degree ipod for sure I but in all three cases, they weren't new products in a category, but one Microsoft rant at the HP slate out at CAS rate, the I Pat and it had like a little push button injector for the window sticker. So imagine that apple has somehow you know in mazing league come up with some solution. And we'll all talk back. You know, think back all remember at twenty March twenty twenty when apple released these and change the world, right? I mean, I think that I would like to see that. Let's let's let's all root for apple to do that. I think that'd be really cool. Anyone could do it would be apple or possible that a fair thing to say these days, I think that's true. Maybe it was true in the past. But we haven't seen. I think apple is still unique in their ability to take take a bunch of disparate technologies and package it in a way that's really accessible to mainstream customers that's always seems to have been their secret sauce again like tons of phones before I found tons of tablets before. I Pat a few watches before apple watch bunch of bluetooth headsets before air pods. But they seem to be able to carve down not to everyone's liking, but to a single opinionated view of what this product for a wide swath. This kind of been that's kind of a downhill slope. You. Describe you had the iphone the ipad the apple once in the air pods. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of. Yeah. But they're not the apple that of of fifteen years ago or ten years ago. I mean, I also mature more more mature technologically. It's harder. Like flying cars. I mean, it's like the big one. But well, speaking of cars apple may still won't be in the car business that we talked about the layoffs, but Mike Alkan road. Actually, I thought it very good piece in Computerworld his predictions for Apple's self-driving future in among other things. He said people are getting a lot of it wrong. He said Apple's not killing off its self driving car program when you have five thousand employees working at least part time on titan and twelve hundred full-time employees, laying off two hundred isn't that significant it's false. You know, he says people point to the high disengagement rate of apples self-driving cars much higher than anybody else, including Google only. Uber is worse. But he says, but we don't know if Apple's maybe being as they often are overcautious, maybe they disengage more than necessary because they don't want, you know, they're being conservative in their approach affect apple did tell the DMV that. In when they told him that is not true. I didn't even know. This was a rumor that apple is a secret former military base test track outside Silicon Valley. That is not true. Apple self driving car may not even be car. Mike Elkins says it probably will be a little van. That's basically a rolling living room. I like this one I like that that little descriptive. I've in the couple of times I've seen self driving cars. There's this this prototype that looks sort of like a bus with a bunch of windows. It's small, you know, like van, but it's all windows, and there's no seats that all face directly forward some of them face backward. And there's a table in the middle. So it's more like writing in a train cars something like that. Because you don't need somebody facing forward driving the car. So why not just mix it up and make make the thing that you're sitting in transport you into whatever you want it to live this idea. First automobiles looked a lot like. Carriages horse driven carriages, and they slowly morphed into something a little more appropriate to the form factor. Why should a self driving car looked like a car that you have to drive? Well, also, also because like Sammy Davis junior lost an eye because of things sticking out of the dashboard and people were people without state without seatbelts with with this club card kind of guard design people getting again being thrust against tables and getting killed on. Really? It's it's it's there's a lot of debate about what kind of safety regulations are important to hold over for a self driving car, and which ones they can actually do away with. And with the thought that if there if this passenger is unrestrained, perhaps we can perhaps we can offset that with the additional safety of certifying, the self-driving technology has ways to that. They're never going to fall asleep. They're never going to be exceeding the speed limit. And they're going to be able to get out of almost any jam that any bad driver puts them in. Well, I would like. I can't wait to get my augmented reality glasses in my self driving living room. They're not separate things. Leo. Aren't you getting this yet you get into the van and it shows you park as you commute to work there? One thing it's a vehicle it's a movie theater. It's a restaurant. It's a it's a movie theater. It's a restaurant. Okay. That's the keynote. I do want an invitation to. Yeah. If you could let us things for you. Let's take a little break. We've got more to come Rene Ritchie and Laura Gill from I'm more Andy nocco from Boston public radio. Great to have all three of you. This is a nice an ice team. What do you think? I should we allow girls on Mak break weekly allow. Had a fine on the doors and no girls allowed. I think I could take that down. Now. That's a good idea. I think you're right. It's going to be laureate, Christina Warren, and a couple of the people Leo will barely get invited done that with twit, and it's wonderful. I just sit back and let it go. It's so great. Yes, soon you won't need any men anymore. I think parthenogenesis is just around the read y the last man where is this whole comic strip. I forget if it's Kirkman her von who did it. But the whole thesis is that there are two sex until they invent cloning. And as soon as coding, invented just all the men are destroyed. Yeah. Because you don't need them anymore. Exactly. That's it. If if slugs can do it. Why can't we are show today? Brought to you by capterra. We you know, I feel looking for business software. And by the way, a lot of you ought to be. I still get calls from all the time for people saying, well, you know, I I've got a ten year old MAC, and it can only go to snow leopard. But I can't get rid of it. Because it's the only thing that will run our heating and. 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The Tim burners Lee the inventive worldwide web put his first web page up. What what is he actually anniversary better not be? Do you better not be GO cities launching? The first cat videos. It's the first time that a monkey got punched. Let's see because he was he was a he's a physicist he was working at Sern the Geneva particle lab, and they had a bunch of networked computers, and he wrote up. Okay. So this anniversary of his proposal March nineteen nine for quote, a large hypertext database with typed links. There wasn't a lot of interest initially. I'm reading from Wikipedia, but burners Lee was encouraged by his boss, Mike, send all to begin implementing the system on a newly acquired next workstation. So you see Steve Jobs is involved. Even here there's the next cube that he used the first this is I think is that the computer history museum CEO apple doesn't always create themselves. But they make the tools for which the world can be disrupting xactly. There you go. So I'm not sure when the first page went up, I think it was Christmas nineteen ninety. So we're going to have another thirtieth anniversary to celebrate. But this is the thirtieth anniversary for information management proposal, March nineteen eighty nine and this is this is this is the effect. He says this is from him at w three dot org. And he says this is the HTML file generated from the RTF Alba Microsoft Word. He wants it. There you go. He says he can't open the word file anymore. But at least you can see this and some of it's not. So that's good. But, you know, the dial equal style style style. Version that looks a little bit better. And apple apple is like if it were a DNA test and Maury Maury Povich would wind up like giving apple news that it's now is way way behind on his payments because it's not not just the connection to next. But remember that it was an expression of an old concept of hypertext that had been around since the late sixties early seventies. And of which hypercard was really one of the first right, practical, consumer fry facing things that actually did hypertext really there's very very very little difference between a lot of different hypercard stacks and a modern webpage, which is continues to frustrate me. There isn't a web version of hypercard made by apple. Yes, Bill Atkinson did release the hypercard software to the computer history museum. If you want to Andy you want to start working on it. Do you? Do you think that I'm smart enough to be able to understand and use code? I'm so flattered you think so? Oh, wait, a semi colon. I know what you call an is. I don't do anything before that. And by the way, Tim burners Lee said this would provide an excellent project to try our new object oriented programming techniques. I think it was Ted Nelson actually affect burners Lee refers to Ted Nelson's nineteen sixty seven piece getting it out of our system in information retrieval a critical review. Ted Nelson really was the guy who coined the term hypertext and was the first to propose this idea of Lincoln. He we had him on triangulation not so long ago. He's still as far as I know lives in a houseboat in sausalito, not so far away from here. And yeah, hypercard absolutely must have been a big influence on temporarily. Right. I pre- card. He must've used it. Anyway, happy birthday worldwide web, not the internet people are saying it's the internet's birthday. No, no, just the World Wide Web. Just that ideas. WWW just the dub dub, Dr gets no cake today. K K for you today. Darpa new and on this date. We can all we can revel in the classic joke. That never gets any old leeway to engineers to come up with an acronym. An acronym that shortens the word, but actually makes it three times longer longer syllable worldwide web or w w w three syllables nine. Excellent point Andrew, so. I guess we should probably talk about this Elizabeth Warren candidate for democratic nomination for president in two thousand twenty the elections coming says, we should break up the tech giant's including apple. I don't think she thought out the apple part all that. Well, and I would point you to as always a great Ben Thompson article in strategic ary in which he says Warren is wrong. He does praise her for kind of thinking about how much power are big tech companies have too much power over Konami. He just says that breaking them up may have some really hideous unintended consequences. And I kind of I kind of agree. So I I had that same thought. And then I I talked to Neela today for tomorrow's vectors. I got a chance to ask good out the interview, and the that the break-up part is getting a lot of the attention. But she seems like she has a four point plan where depending on how valuable you are different things kick in like if you make I forget, the number if you make only twenty billion dollars cut up. Yeah, you're fine directly contrary to actual US law, which doesn't say you're too big. You have to be broken up. Yes. You have to be a monopoly to be broken up. There is current law. That says, oh, you're you're worth one hundred trillion dollars. That's you gotta we gotta break you up to the US is common welfare in the U. E U is. Competition based they have very different antitrust systems. She's introducing a third one which he thinks could be less expensive than having like having Jason on Christ charge of saying well on the value of the company and the size of the ecosystem. And again, like, I don't think any of these ideas scale because like for example at apple size. They should not be allowed in her certian as they have too much access to data and to positioning to be allowed to to offer apps on their own store. They should not be allowed to compete. Yeah. This seems to be your biggest problems which makes this by the way makes zero sense like WalMart has access to data and to shelving positions that they're they're like Proctor and gamble. Don't and should Microsoft not be allowed to sell. Halo should bungee spun off and everyone should get a good case to be made the Google shouldn't have YouTube because it's going to just mess with the search for the number one in to search. Yeah. I think you can make that case. But. Shouldn't sell apps in its own apps store that makes no sense at all. Maybe she wants to you other stores should be able to self apps on the iphone that would make more sense that there should be multiple stores that reduces security significantly. So see, that's that's that's why this most of most of what she is. She's her campaign has committed to is in a medium post that she that she published her her election campaign, whoever published and one of the points that she's making is that it's particularly as relates to apple is that it's wrong for given that apple makes money off of every purchase off the app store. It's wrong for them to lock their devices to just one apps store, they should allow people to either side load apps, or at least or allow other app stores to apps store apps to be installed on the device. Some it's it's not as though this. What she's saying doesn't make any sense is just that it really does to my is. It comes across at this point as campaign rhetoric as opposed to a well thought out of vision of of of digital policy. I don't I think that in the long run what she's proposing is going to hurt more because more consumers than it helps because she's trying to apply hundred-year-old ideas of of trust busting to a twenty nineteen technological marketplace and the two aren't really compatible. And when she does really mention about the break-up of monopolies talks about like AT and T, for instance. And the thing is the reason why this was eighteen AT and T was originally a government granted monopoly. It wasn't that. They wasn't like rob may maybe they acted like, Robert barons. But at some point the government said that AT and T until like ninety four you're exempt from anti-trust because it's so important that we have this phone system and telegraph system in place as going to be so expensive to put in that. It will you'll will reach more people and will become we need this thing built up and the only way to do it. It's not have eighteen different competing telephone network. So it's in the public's best interests to. Allow this trust to continue. I think that it would be appropriate for them to say that there are certain huge huge companies like Google, but not Facebook where? Yes. Google making so much money off of ads and having so many products that allow them to to place ED's and to collect more information to make their ad database. More valuable is beneficial to consumers because this book gives us Google maps for free. This is what gives us Google docs for free. This what gives us Chromebooks and Android devices that are very very cheap to produce because they are essentially giving away the operating system for free. It's a benefits big enough benefit to consumers that we can allow this particular company to exist. The way it is Facebook, I think would be a different thing because they apps they just make it so clear that they don't care about anything that they do as long as it keeps keeps the fire hose of information as fr going into the giant holding tanks in Facebook. Campus. So I I I'm I prefer to to read this proposal as again here is a early campaign statement campaign rhetoric thing that if if if she became the actual democratic nominee. She would have to release a very long hundred page PDF with all kinds of other academics and engineers who signed off on this thing to actually outline how she could do this without ensuring that it doesn't cost us eighteen cents a mile to navigate using any sort of Google map sort of product. This whole campaign. I think is is just kind of like looking at the wrong things that we need to fight when it when it comes to technology right now, the most important thing that we need to do is protect our data, and our security should be the procedures in regulations in place to take care of that not to break up these big tech companies that that that's should be so farther down the line that that she should be standing on a platform of of enforcing some sort of methodology toward transparency for how these major companies are collecting our data. I I I think that Elizabeth Warren is incredible. And I think that I'm confused when I read this as to wear she came up with this idea to to make this the thing that she stands on right now when there are so many other things that are more important. So should be tackled. I. This is the wrong battle to fight. Thompson quotes, Mike mas- Nick on this. He says Mike says none of this is to say we shouldn't be concerned about big internet companies with too much power. It's a perfectly perfectly reasonable concern. But just because you want to do something. And this is something doesn't mean it's the something we should do. And I'd be much more interested in a candidate who had concrete proposals on how to protect our data and our privacy going forward. Then, oh, let's just let's just chop it all up because the consequences. That's a massive undertaking. It's probably a nonstarter, and the consequences are unknown an undoubtedly significant, whereas I think you could reasonably get up in front of congress newly elected president and say we've got an enact privacy legislation and we've got to do it now. And I think that actually that's the will of the people and the Willem most of the congress right now. Yeah. And I hope it doesn't come across as just maybe it is. I don't think it is. But this is why I'm I don't. Think our next chief executive, and the majority of our congress people should be people who are sixty nine or seventy years old. It's the fact that she her first huge public statement about this uses the language of antitrust, which is something that has been a known problem for decades as opposed to the subtleties of technology. I think is a little telling and at least prejudices made to continue to think that even people who are my age. I'm generation X, which means that I grew up with computers. I grew up with the internet even grew up with with Email. I just but I absolutely did. I absolutely did not grow up with a device in my pocket. The case may connected. All the time. I didn't I it took me. So it took me a little while even to get the hang of text messaging because I didn't know do I have to say goodbye, no, really the conversation. Just even if we don't continue this conversation for ten days. It's all one conversation. Wow. And that these things that you have to grow up with a tech with a certain thing, you have to grow up in a certain world as opposed to getting accustomed to a new world when it comes to making a policy about how big a tech company should allow to become what privacy controls for privacy rights should be what surveillance rights should be. This is where you need somebody who is in their thirties or forties or or or even younger than that. This is not something that's something that I should be doing exactly right with that. We have in the every time something comes up in government where and they're trying to figure out what technologies doing and they go into ask all those questions in in their meetings in their hearings. It it's terrible because they don't know what they're talking about. But the the younger people come up and join the government officials. They know a lot more than these older generations deal about how to navigate technology, and they have just a better understanding of it just because. Like, you said they grew up with phones in their pockets. They were five when they started using technology as opposed to fifteen or something like that. And right now, the people that are in office don't understand technology enough to even ask the right questions to get to the right place are just kind of in his big. You know, what are you doing? What do you how come how come the when I do a search on Google? What I look for doesn't come up. Will you don't? We don't know if it technology so much bigger and deeper than that. And we definitely need younger generations that will grow up in into these government officials that have a much better understanding of the way technology works before we can start attacking how they're doing business in what they can do what they what they should be doing differently. I am almost a level forty Pokemon manga, more importantly. Leo is the Leo is still very very young youthful thinking, I just wanna say I wanna get to forty because any second now right wizard. Unite is it gonna come out, and it's all over for pokey mongo. Diane -tic gave previews to a number of a game blogs and so forth. And I know that you are paying close attention at I'm more dot com. Because of course, you are the headquarters for Pokemon, go information Rene, what do we know about Harry Potter wizard's United's based on the Niantic ingress slash Pokemon, go platform, Android, central Android, site, covered ingress Allott, and we've covered polka mongo. But I have to admit I'm I'm still put him on going so Laurie with Russell Holly. And Luke Philip Ovitz has been doing all the wizard United stuff. So before Laurie then. Yeah. Oh, look at me and say, you know, I don't know like curse me and have my Pokemon shrivel and die Daba cadavre Pichu, and wait a minute. I did not know that Lori Gil was the wizard unite expert. Well, now, there's a couple of us that are trying to the experts. So that that poor Rene doesn't get trapped doing. Luke Filipo vich is is he's doing some heavy coverage of n we've got him on on board. It and he will hopefully be the Rene Ritchie of of wizard tonight. But it does a I I thought they would just skin Pokemon, go turn gyms into castles and stops into. I don't know sorta. But they're really very looks like a very play play looks very very very different. But I have said I am on record saying if you thought the Pokemon go crazy of July twenty sixteen was out of control, you ain't seen nothing. That's why they made. That's why they made the last movie to sort of temper down the servers. So laurie. Do we know when it's looks like it's getting close. It is definitely getting close. But no, they're they're not even close to giving us an idea of win. But you can see from the Harry Potter wizard's unite website that there's some gameplay that they're sharing with us now. So it gives us the if I were to guess based on how how Pokemon goes started. This is definitely just a big huge. Guess I would say this summer, and I'm only basing that on the game play that they're they're showing us, which means that they're far. Play outside. Right. Did you have to plan? It's a some of the so it's the same basic mechanics that you get from Pokemon go in ingress, which is that you do have to navigate the world around you. But there's going to be quite a few different things that you'll come across in. It's not just a matter of sort of spinning A M A stop to together some goodies. There's the the thing that I'm seeing that. I that I find most interesting is that you can drop a port Keat which in the wizard in world of Harry Potter a port key transport you from one location to another. So there's this augmented reality version of a port key that you can drop in it looks like you'll be able to just sort of enter a world where you even though you're still in the same park or the same building. When you look on your phone, you'll actually get to see an entirely, different view and kind of look around within that view to find what you're looking for. I think that's. A nice sort of next level adding to the game play that's already there instead of catching Pokemon, obviously, you're trying to capture these magical objects that have somehow accidentally found their way into the real or not real the non-magical world. So that's your version of catching Pokemon is catching. They're calling them. Found is that weird. Yes. So yes, it made up word. Yeah. Yeah. But you're also going to be doing some battle things instead of fight like setting up your Pokemon to battle against each other in the gyms, you'll be going to fortresses where you will perform spells on on other players avatars. And this this kind of the based on the view on what they show in the game play. It's very similar to what you would see in some other Harry Potter style games where you might have to swipe the screen in a certain pattern in order to activate that particular spell. Yeah. And you might have to use circular motion to, you know, attack them or use a sideswipe motion to block them or something like that. So it looks like that's some slight changes to the gameplay that we've seen in Ingersoll and the puck mongo, but it is a is a same basic understanding of you have to go outside. You have to navigate the world around you or to to play. If I'm sorry. If you're an Iowa's user, you're out of luck. But if you're an Android user, they are now open for pre-registration, which means they may invite you to early access for the game. So it is on the Android store as a Preregister, Harry Potter, wizard's unite. I'm gonna Preregister because I want to get out of Pokemon go as quickly as I possibly can. So. Loria already told me she's not starting a new game. As soon as we come out. She's dropping pokey Manco and can and going to start taking pictures and enjoying life. But right now, we're in a bitter battle to get to level forty and she's she's like three million four million points ahead of me. So I think she's got she's got win. Nine right now. I just need to get this out there for Renee and Laurie. I I understand that. I'm more is going to be dark for three days around is event. I'm not I don't play Pokemon go, and I haven't even read the Harry Potter books. So if you if you made me to come in as just like sort of like, and sort sort of like, captain marvel has to bring in like she hulk or captain America. Just please to yourself a favor and just get all seven Harry Potter books on audible, I know and don't don't leave the house till you've read them all I I have it's not that. I haven't read them for a reason is haven't gotten around to them yet. I do I bought I own all of them on kindle, and I own like four of them on audible, I just haven't I feel I feel like it's like it's like when a new Neil Gaiman book comes out. I don't want to read it in batches on the train. I want to. Here's my Cup of. Here's my pot of tea to fair. He'll is actually a much better writer JK rally. But yeah, the Harry Potter is more cultural phenomenon than anything made a super interesting like her characters and world or super interesting. She doesn't render it as well, though. I I agree. I think there are better far better writers out there. But. When the first set of Harry Potter books came out. She singlehandedly got kids back in its writing. And that hadn't happened in my entire lifetime. I was so happy to see I was working at an elementary school at the time. Paul every child's face was in a book, and it was incredible that including my kids, that's probably why I have such a fiction for the seriously. And by the way, you've now seen a direct live illustration of why are Republicans in such deep trouble? We started talking about, you know, whether the big tech companies should be broken up. And I went, squirrel. Followed. All right. It's it's a Tuesday. We're getting used to the clocks being. Give us this this one show. That'd be fine. Equally is cited about the election, and Harry Potter was Jimmy. That's all. One is gonna make a bigger impact on society. However, we know which one. Harry potter. I show today. And besides his only one that Canadians can play along our show today. Brought to you by word press. 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Mm slash MEC break. That's where I'm gonna put all of my wizards unite content. By WordPress dot com screen shots. Yeah. My screen shot. You know, it's it's at first it was like, well, where am I going to post pictures? I don't have Instagram where am I going to? You know, talk about stuff. I don't have Facebook and Twitter and put it on your blog. It's your content. Keep it where where are you? If you wanna still use those others use link back to it. It's easy. All right. I think it's time for our picks before we get out of here. Let's start with Lori Gill. Now, he's making the go first. Let's make Rene go. I know. All right. It's up to you know, I don't mind. I you have a pitch. They have a really great pick. In fact, I'm jealous because yours is yours. Come. I'm at home in my hand waiting for mine. It's the hyper drive, ipad pro comes in. The Kickstarter version comes in this cute. Little kid jealous. Whereas mine, I'm sure it's coming soon. I don't know why I got mine before you got yours. I guess because they like me better. But the hyper drive for anybody who doesn't know what it is. It's just it's a hub or Dongola if depending on how you wanna word it that comes with a couple of different little gadgets that that connect to your ipad pro which previously. You couldn't do this kind of stuff. And now that I had pro has USB see there's a lot more things that you can connect to it than you used to be able to. It's got a HD. My USB see micro, micro SD SD an three point five. Millimeter headphone, Jack, and a USB one of the things believe it or not that. I ended up liking the most about it was the headphone Jack the I realize a headphone, Jack. Yes. So it's a great little thing. I I've connected to my television set. I've connected to my monitor using my ipad, as you know, as the the system that connects to these other things, it's actually this little thing is pretty great. It comes with a couple of different tools to help you use it in a different way. If you wanted to connected different. I'm not sure what the the final package will be when they sell it just regularly on their website. But through the Kickstarter came with a couple of little extras. So that you could connect with a little bit of extra leeway. So that you don't have to if you're using a stand or a case that makes it so that this doesn't fit properly you can kind of plug it in this way, connect it like that. And it has different a little different lever on it. So if you're you don't have to use the you don't have to plug it in one way you can. Flip it the other way. And this little extra piece allows you to decide which side that you want to keep it on depending on the if you're using a case or not, so it's a pretty versatile little thing. And it has a lot of stuff going to it in my favorite is the way it clicks into the side of your ipad. Instead of something that hangs off the side. It just clicks right in there and acts as sort of a slight extension to your ipad, your enough divorce about it dangling or falling off or anything like that. It just sits in right there. So get yours. I'm it came about two weeks ago. So I this is one of those. Hey kickstarter. So I went and oh you didn't fill out the survey yet. So I ordered to I have two coming in the early bird special and all that. But. So we'll see. Just drives me crazy, I presume, you just you know, you just fill out the survey, right? Well, I mean, that's nothing against you. It's not your fault. But the it's also very possible that it why years didn't come in has nothing to do with you fill that the survey. It could be anything. So it's good. Out yet until just now. No, then after I filled out, which is a dopey survey. That's the Ness for anything important. Then it said, okay. We'll let you we'll send you another survey when we're gonna win the the thing ends. Freaking hate Kickstarter. I don't have the best results, by the way. You can't get an kickstart anymore. But it is on indie. Gogo now. I think that's because Kickstarter once they start shipping it won't let them plug. It. It's weird because Santo I owned or previous, hyper drives there are known company. They make these in that they've just decided this is a better way for them to to sell a product is to do it through Kickstarter than just sell it on retail. So yes, highly recommended I have their other one in this fantastic. And I wish I had this one especially for the headphone, Jack. Rene Ritchie pick of the week. Guess her. So mine is not a new pick. I'm sure Jason Snell has picked at half a dozen times on this very show at least. But it's it's getting a little bit attention again because they're doing a promotion an honor of captain marvel, and it is marvel unlimited. It is it's it's so try to say the net flicks of something. But with this you pay a monthly subscription, or I think like you get a discount if you play yearly and you get access to massive amounts of the marble of the marvel marvel marvel back catalogue of titles right now, they're showing off a lot of captain marvel stuff because of the movie, and there's so many great things. They're like the crease Grohl war all the avengers the Warbirds stuff the herald of galactic, there's just so so many great stories in that universe. And they do a good job of sort of if you are primarily interested because of the movies. They really good job of finding you the quintessential stories the ones that the script writers and the directors drew from. But there's also just everything like all the X men all the avengers. All. Fantastic. For all the Spiderman all the everything that marvel has been producing just back to the very very early Stanley days. And if you are a huge comics nerd the app just works great, especially on an ipad is just phenomenal experience. And it's it's so much easier than carrying forty comic boxes around on your back. He here. I I think I think that marble has created a really amazing product because it's not just the fact that they have an assiduously filling in the back catalog every single years to the point where there's almost nothing that you won't care about. If someone read it in a comic book form mentioned something that a limited series from nineteen Eighty-one is probably on marvel comics unlimited even though it was such a bad seller that that's never made it to the trade paperback, and the other great thing is that it really brought me kind of back around to marvel comics because a lot of the stuff that they I gotta I have to form at this correctly. A lot of the. A lot of the things that they publish are absolutely unreadable because they they do their entire publishing schedule around these huge events. And so you think that okay, great. So I'll do the I'll Saul read this a ten issue. Absolute power are a mini series that the big event like, oh, well, actually, no, this doesn't tell you. How this event happened and doesn't end someone will just say, wow. I just watched this person die bummer. Let's move onto the next thing. And he had to like by this other comic and this other series to find out how this actually affected this character at it's just horrible. But if you so it became after spending, the I'm so I'm so smart that it took me three times of spending sixty dollars to try to read one of these series that I I suddenly said, Nope, no more. If I if there's any hint of a of an event, I am not even remotely interested in it. But with my marvel unlimited series, I'm willing to wait a year for hit marvel unlimited and then. I can just say, wait. What what what the hell is quasar? Talking about flip flip flip flip flip. Okay. There's now I understand what quasar was talking about. And I didn't have to spend four dollars four dollars extra to find that out. So yes. We're four because I don't like the cross like the Hughes crossovers either. I just read a lot of the classic like the George Perez stuff, and I'm very much in the Arthur Adams stuff it and star Linda just most amazing artists. The Claremont Bernier of Burr of of X men. The Bernier offend just there's so many pivotal stories in that collection. It's amazing huge value. Can you can download them to the to the ipad? So you don't have to you can still read them on the on the on the plane, really, especially for sixty bucks a year. That is something that that we were talking about subscription plans earlier today, if you're going to deliver me, basically, every marvel comic ever published with only a few gaps that I'm willing to spend sixty dollars a year for that is that that is a very good value proposition. This space that you save alone. Makes it worth it. God just everything coming solitary. A I won't get this into a thirty minutes tangent. But it's the if you told me like, even when I was like twenty five years old that by the way, you know, how like you never travel with like comic books because you're not going to be able to keep them in good shape on this on this flight. And on this flight from Boston to San Francisco and back again, you're gonna lose some or all so you're going to look at big frigging nerd like whole I'm in. I'm in business class holding up a copy of your Parkinson's. Metaxas. Spiderman I don't think so and the ability to say, no, actually, not only not only do you have comic books, but you now have pretty much every comic book you're ever interested in ever rereading ever again right there on the device. It's like, oh, I you know, what I think I'm going to start jogging eating a little better because I wanna live to be your age future. Andy. Speaking of future, Andy what's your pick of the week, sir? Okay. My my pick is also a Kickstarter it doesn't ship until may. However, it is a vinyl L P with no sound recorded on it is. I'm not saying that it's a blank L P. I mean, literally side one is they cut an L P with twenty minutes of silence. Then you flip it over. And you also get another twenty minutes of silence as called silent meditation. So that it's like Fuat silence to meditate too. And I I was fully on board. When when I read the description where it's half tongue-in-cheek have serious. They're saying they're saying, so this this will this will have the desired effect, even if your gift recipient doesn't own an LP or just spoiled whether it's playing or not playing, but then I started thinking about how an LP is a record player is wonderful because it's not digital. There's always going to be like little pops and crackles, and I had to what got me to pay twenty bucks for this was twenty bucks for this. Yes, I did because I kind of want to occasionally put prop the needle down and just. Listen to twenty minutes of clicks pops. Just that's what I need to clear my mind. Also, I just like the idea of this and most most I almost never buy tangible objects on Kickstarter, it's almost always someone who wants to do a comic book or wants to write a novel or someone less to do like a series of art prints that this idea is so creative and interesting that I just want to give you money for being that weird and that committed to waving your freak flag as high and proud as Muslim and do their QNA. And the the question is are you planning on any future release in their answers? There have been rumors vote live. I want to buy the this is such a few. Stuccos is that a Kickstarter burning chance? It is a what a surprise. Now. Don't you feel that Kickstarter is you as seen on TV like no, wait a second side of silence. Okay stuff. My buddies on the other side, by the way, another twenty seconds. Else? They also say that if you if you don't have twenty if you don't have twenty minutes to meditate just said it to forty five rpm and you'll get fifteen minutes of silence for meditation. Second site is just five John cage songs. That's a that's a hovel joke. Actually, actually, they QNA some parts of the sound like John cage's four minutes. Thirty three seconds is that intentional. What a compliment position was music. And he wanted to include all sounds that definition. This is not music, nor were any musicians involved in this recording. You guys this joke is great. This as a gift for someone? Absolutely. We've been. Put windows ninety five on your MAC for free. You like that? This is an interesting project from Felix Reese Burg, it's on kit hub, it you can download it and run it. I never did. Get it running on the MAC, but I do have it running on windows. I think it was just something maybe a bad. Download but it includes minesweeper Netscape Navigator and a whole lot more. I mean, this thing is awesome. It is let me let me run it. Again. I'm seemed of oh, no. I was working here. We go. There's minesweeper. It's just as slow as he region windows money five as well. I think there there's also some of your favorite games like doom wolfenstein three d should I try to think it'd run wolfenstein? Let's try it. Oh, man. This would be fun. If it really works. It is free. I don't know how to tell you how to get it. But it's on Git hub. If you search for Felix when host ninety five there's a Lennox version. There's a windows version, and there's a MAC version and batteries not included. It's based on electron. So it would have crashed. Yeah. Rene when when when you crashed chrome pretty wild has doom wolfenstein eight ten tank killer and grand prix circuit along with minesweeper. You can reset the machine and supports high DPI devices. There's downloads for MAC windows, and Lennox, I guess, you know, get hub dot. Dot com slash Felix. R I E S E B E R G. Hey, that's spent spent about an hour plane minesweeper yesterday. That's it for our show. I, but when Harry Potter comes out, I'm abandoning minesweeper for Harry Potter. Hey, richie. Wizards unite literally that's the name of the show. He is the wizard at I'm more dot com and his vector podcast. I can't I'm gonna listen to. So you talked to Neil Patel, and that's going to be on tomorrow. Yep. Tomorrow morning yesterday. Wait to hear that that'll be very interesting. It was only about with Warren. Or was it other things? Yeah. I try to do shows focus so yesterday, I had 'em KB HD in Marco Armand talking about what they want to see in the next MAC pro. And then I quickly sidestepped, Tim, Elizabeth Warren, very nice that's out. That's awesome. Thank you Rene for being here as always and you'll be here next week. But I think you're going to be traveling a little bit the weekend. Yes. Yeah. Laura Gill will be filling his shoes she's the wizard at I'm more as well managing editor their apple Hollick, a rock and roll singer of some repute, and she got her Kickstarter before. You don't like me anymore. I just went and looked at my Email, and they've been sending me an Email every week since February saying, we need your dress nature address in Egypt address. I guess can you doesn't I would have had it. But I'll get it. Now. I filled it all in. Thank you. Laurie. Always always thrill the heavy on the show handy and not co he's Boston public radio W GBH in Boston most Fridays and he joins us every Tuesday. And he's also the host of the material podcast on really that FM. If you want to hear him talk more about Android. Not much call for that make break. Talking about the galaxy S ten. We obey top at that last week. But Friday Friday, we're doing Boston public radio from the Boston public library again. So if you want to grab a Cup of coffee and cookie, which you will have to pay for it because it is actually a coffee shop that's near the next to the studio come on by around twelve thirty ish to one ish when I will be talking probably about Massachusetts state, Senator Massachusetts, Senator Elizabeth Warren, and they might aping a little bit skeptical. They might guess that'll be the topic. We do macrey quickly Tuesday's eleven AM Pacific two PM eastern time. And of course, now we're in summertime here in the US. So we're GMT minus seven that means it'll be what does that eighteen hundred UT see you can stop by. And watch it twit dot TV slash live. If you do that. Join us in the chat, reminder, see that twit dot TV, and we always have on demand versions as well. If you want to watch or listen, just go to twit dot TV slash, M, B, W or subscribe and your favorite pod catcher. And we'll make sure you get a copy the minute. It's available auto magically. Thanks for being here. 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"To Get another second round. Pick your after that in a Jordan Bell. I hear a static. What was the guy who cried his way off the team? Why I WANNA say it's not mantell as its thank you Jordan? Got that pattern. mccaw he pick DOC number zero remember talking to Gary Saint. Jean and I said you know I picked number zero. And he's like why because he said he had zero a doubt that he'd make a dent in this league and He said I didn't I didn't realize that and I believe powder mccaw got a ring the raptors did he not. Yeah I think he did all right. But it's all come down to this We've got some trades and last night reportedly the Memphis Grizzlies agreed to trade Andre Dolla. Who has not dribble the ball for them? Since coming from Golden State in the summer igwe Dolla okay'd the deal and then agreed. Read to a thirty million dollar extension so when the warriors gave him forty eight over the age of thirty. And now you're you'RE GONNA attack on thirty more that means Andrea Dolla past the age of thirty while not starting Games has worked out seventy eight million in dollars in contracts. Wow very cool now. The heat apparently are also looking to add the Nilo Gallon and Ari and those talks. Continue as we speak a lot of times in the NBA. You need a third team sometimes even a fourth to make the money money work so we remember the rockets T.. Wolves Hawks and nuggets They also announced a blockbuster twelve player player trade last night as well. If you didn't hear to the rockets go Robert Covington. And if you have for mentioned and Jordan Bell and the Warriors Second Round draft pick through the Atlanta Hawks in twenty twenty four Atlanta gets in Atlanta's run by Travis Swank the former Warriors Assistant Atlantic it's Clint Cappella and and DNA. Who hasn't played this year? The T. Wolves get Maliki. beazely want Shell or non Gomez Jared Vanderbilt and Evan Turner and a nets first round draft. Pick which is the biggie. Here via the hawks. That's this year the nuggets get Shabazz. Napier Keta Bates Diop Gerald Green. And no of Vaughan lay this. One is a little bit crazy. I mean does it get more crazy than having four teams and twelve players I don't think it does not really but let's let's go. Let's sift through the garbage now because there is a lot auden here apparently Houston really wanted Covington and it makes sense six-foot-seven very good wing defender. You can hit a three. The rockets are right in the middle of the pack and Defensive Rating. They really could use a defensive boost when you think about in the playoffs. They'll have to deal with guys like like Lebron James and Paul George. Maybe even the Greek freak the problem is they had to get rid of Capella to get COVINGTON. And the rockets have had plenty of success with these small lineups even with PJ Tucker at center but is that realistic in the West. I mean let's say you play the Lakers. You Got Uni Brow. You play Denver. You Got Nicola Yokich now Jordan Bell. He completely fell out of the rotation with the wolves he fell out of the rotation with the warriors after a promising rookie year. His defense is not as strong suit. He's only six eight for a big man. This is just a guy now. Giving up the first round pick hurt but Mori and the rockets are always win now mode. They won't be shedding any tears over that particularly Taylor Lee. If the deal yields positive results overall they got their man it was a steep price with Cappella and pick nick there. Eleven one record when Capello was hurt led them to this is basically. Do we need him. The hawks talks about two months ago. A member of the Hawks Front office reportedly told a frustrated trae young. That help was on the way. All right I guess this qualifies say what you want between the fit between Cappella John Collins. But it's clear. The hawks needed an upgrade on the defensive end. They're almost last league. They give up one hundred and fourteen points a game. That's ludicrous and around the rim. There twenty-first and rebounds so Capella is rim-protector. That's what he does. He's a big body. And it's also fun to think about law passes will allow us to compel but instead of Damian Jones or or Alex Len his previous options. Yes Damian Jones. With De'andre Hunter. Kevin hurt her camera. Tish Collins Swank is trying trying to build a team of young athletic players as they said they gave up that first round nets pick which is lottery protective for the next three years ears in what is widely considered to be a bad draft coming up. So they're not sweating that much but you get a first round talent Colin and Clinton Capella because he's twenty five years old. It's hard to believe. He's only that own now the nuggets. They took the opportunity to jump into this deal L. and they've ended up with a late first round. Pick two players that they were gonna let leave in Beasley and Arnon Gomez. They're they're guys that have filled in especially last year Beasley was really good but they don't even play much anymore when Denver's at full strain and it's nice to have that depth but the first round pick I think is worthy the of it and the depth also isn't depleted because they got napier back and since napier began starting in Minnesota Coda. He's averaging eleven points six and a half assists and four rebounds a game so he is a good backup and if you think about guys who they get hurt like millsap and Plumlee who are both on the shelf. He could fit in Bates. Diop had some moments with the wolves it's not the sexiest trade for Denver and Beasley was an important player for them off the bench last year but they decided to get something for a couple of players that were not in the team's future plans and apparently Denver is still very active. So that leaves us to the T.. Wolves and the grade for them. If you WANNA give a great as an incomplete Covington was one of the hottest commodities Of the trade market the asking price reportedly was two first round picks. The wolves didn't get that they got one. I and to potential rail a playoff rotational players in the League Beasley and watch her. Non Gomez who as I said are both restricted free agents. If they're part of the future plans then great if they let them go in the summer and just go to the first round pick. We'll see what happens vanderbilt. Has some upside. Hasn't done anything and yet but with that being said it's hard to imagine that the wolves are done making moves and whether it's now or it's in the summer I don't know we know loses very open ended pursuit of Diangelo Russel which will talk about after the break come on in exciting times in the NBA. Get on back. yeah Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight. Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals with the airlines. When they have unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them? So you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. Our prices are to low to publish online with with the extra money. You'll save. You can book another trip for treat yourself to dinner or shopping so stop searching all of those travel sites to find the lowest price on your next flight. 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But let's go to the phone lines and let's talk talked to a rockets fan and that is Christian. What's going on man? Nothing merge other than that. I feel a little bit disappointed disappointed with my hometown team. I mean how are you gonNA trade. You're only seven. Well how'd you gonNA trade. You're only seven footers. They alario and Click Capella to other teams. And especially it rid of Joe Greene even though if you've been injured and he is what Houston means to the entire world for basically somebody in Robert Covington. The only had a cup of coffee with rockets and really only fit the criteria of the rocket Well what would you what would you say is the the the upside of the trade. I mean yeah they prove Robert Covington who when he was with. The rockets was basically an underwhelming rookie. But now as you know excelled into one of the best a remedy big men in the NBA but the do six nine. I mean I was expecting them. Pick up a seven footer. Or you know recall. Is They Arnstein. This guy from the Geely you know what would be the part that makes you cry. The fact that they got rid with their only liable seven funded actually means anything worth a darn so you guys go from here. Apparently you're you're not done or are you guys done. Many pundits around the sporting world. I know this. You're probably not one of them. But many other tasty fan as Iraq is Ben. If they lose the Lakers tonight which it probably might happen. Why what is it about? Darrell Daryl Daryl. Morey wants to win now So what is it about now. Stillman for what's to win the Dow Maury what what is it about the The the the COVINGTON thing that makes it so you just have to have them Well be honest. I mean I think on the upside. He's probably going to be. I admit them that Cappella wasn't he's gonNA probably be a bully down in the middle. However that's still can't get over the fact that the rockets out those seven footers on their roster Hartenstein legitimately right so basically sick leave the main thing I would probably throughout this trade deadline which close the does Adam Brown one? PM Pacific Time Three PM set. You'll the I hope the rockets at least think about trying to get another theft for the just so that you know when Robert Covington or PJ talk to get you you like a wet blanket. You know maybe they could face relief find some way to back them up. Well I mean what is is the one. What is the the end game for for you guys? I mean because as you said for Titas the the billionaire and he he wants to win in and who is the probably the weakest link on the team right now and I'm not talking about you know the twelfth man. I mean who. WHO's a guy that is the guy that's going to ruin in it for you? Then Tony Toast Antoni. Because if he doesn't really I mean you know because everybody here locally locally even though they don't say they probably weren't his head and if Dan Telling me coaching leased the rockets to another failure. Oh you're in the later rounds or not getting close to the NBA title which Oh by the way. This year marks the last time twenty five years since the last time they they won an NBA title. Then told me it's going to be doing. Yeah no I mean listen I on the one hand I I appreciate a guy who is going for it Listened he knows that hardens not GonNa last forever and if if they think this is the right deal then then this is the right deal. It just was a steep price to pay but most people that I've seen if you look for letter grades they they give the rockets a be on this one. I see I see but other than to have one more thing I do want to talk about. No and I know that mixed martial art isn't in your wheelhouse but there's a big you have see car going down in Houston as well. Oh this weekend. There's two title fights that are going to happen. Valentina Shevchenko or Kate Lynch okay again and John Paul Jones versus dominate. I'm angry at the Toyota Center in Houston but considering the fact that the divisions that ship Janesville John Representative Women's flyweight and light. I have anyway. Division don't really have that many contenders their respective raise last. I have no now I dea. I mean it's it's funny because the the Miami Heat when they got their big three Lebron came out and he said not one not to the three non for that though. They're going to stay together forever. There are a lot of smug people in the bay area. Many of in the media. WHO said okay? Well the warriors are going to win five in a row. I mean that's just what are you talking about. You could say the warriors run should have lasted even as long as it had because when you had a guy like you gotta got it got bad. Well I mean it. Just it with with injuries that occur and infighting and there was some infighting and we saw great schism finally withdrawn and Katie. And then then that's when Steve Kerr said this is the real NBA. What we're seeing right now? So there's there's no way I can look at a team I mean you can say they have great potential but I could never guarantee. Somebody's go on some great three year. Run and I mean same same would go for an individual fighter. Yeah absolutely understood understood and I mean I'm sorry for even ask ask that question even though that not really in your will I listen. I take all questions I appreciate it and listen to you if you listen to the show you know. I've had a mixed martial arts fighters all the time I've been in here with randy could sure and Tito Ortiz and lawler Matthew Immortal Brown King King Feroz his name. King Pharaoh Pharaoh King Dominic. Do you remember his name. No dammit I was King Mo that was a King Mo thank you so I I was on national. TV for like three seconds. One time on Fox interview in those guys I I. I'm open minded to all sports because as a real little kid I was not exposed to soccer and then in my teens I finally we started to see it and then as an adult. It's basically my favorite sport so sometimes you just need to open your mind instead of just people saying that sports socks like. I don't like like rugby but I respect it so much. It's just I can't love everything is my face thing these days. Don't not get to try. Because a Lotta people bash women's sports but at the same reason they lay their underdeveloped. They really play like crafts. I mean Bonded them when they're just turned away L.. I had a friend who went to Australia. And I go. You have to Aussie rules match. And they're like why have you been and and I'm like no I. I used to air them when I worked at sports channel and I actually got to know some of the teams and and bill king my my hero broadcaster who the hall of fame broadcaster Mister. He was way into it and I didn't really know what was going on. And everybody had their sleeves cut off and it was. It seemed Kinda weird so I didn't love it but I know that if I win I'd have fun anyway. My friend went to the MCG. The Melbourne cricket ground and had the best time ever. And so like. I said if you you have to open your a horizons baby exactly and with that. I know you're GonNa hit a break out those media average till thanks for having me on Christian thanks for the call. One eight hundred eight seven eight players the number to call Christian with these sports byline clock embedded in his head very loyal listener by the way one thing about the Knicks After parting ways with Steve Mills yesterday the Knicks are apparently going to hire. Leon rose as their new president of basketball operations. Leon rose it is an agent with Ca. It's the Brodie van wagon in route now. Then again Bob Myers was a former agent and he was executive of the year. So rose won't be in there by himself. They'll be William Wesley who is known as worldwide. Wes William Wesley will will be WHO's another see a agent as well and rose is Lebron James Former agent but also the agent agent to Joel embiid? Carl Anthony Towns Chris. Paul Devon Barker Camaro Anthony now. This guy has zero experience in an NBA. Front office but I mean look at other agent Rob Pelinka cows. He done not so great so far but he did get Yuna Brown and he did get Lebron so maybe he's doing well now. We'll see if the championship comes in. So what I don't know is if this sky has to cut ties with all these players I would believe that he does have to cut ties but I don't know for sure now works in the NBA. Can you be I mean. How can you have that full time job? And then run the Knicks. I would be pretty sure that he'd have to pay. That's a lucrative career is giving up at. Hey do you want to run the New York Knicks. And you're like I'm rich. Let's give it a go on the other side. 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Obviously the articles that I always hate are the after the fact trade articles. You know what I mean. It's like hey by the way The the the as are actually we almost got trout. I don't WanNa hear it. You know I don't want to hear the story about or like you know what was the story it was like. Oh yeah the you know the Indians they were the ones that put in the call on. mookie Betts Yeah. How does that help anyone? I don't really understand that too much but we'll get a lot of that as it goes a lot of times. You're better off just waiting until until the summer to see what you've got in trade deadline's and are just trading guys and that's the beauty of the warriors right now. They they have de Ngelo. Russell signed for a long time. They really do. And so there's no rush. They could say they look. This is what we want somebody. was saying in local media here that the warriors would want an all star in three number ones. I don't know where these warrior people get. So smug what are you talking about. Sometimes I think you'd go it. Just straight up diangelo Russel for some it was for a wiggins it was WIGGINS and three number ones from Minnesota and they go. Yeah then. I guess we'd have to do that. If that trade how they make about the same amount of money if that trade happen it would be wiggins for Russell straight up and and I guess if they really held out they could say and a number two but it's a sort of like I don't know I think people get a little bit The the notion of inflation Asian when it comes to some of this talent aren't as I mentioned we're very excited to have a Acclaimed filmmaker it is Simon Frederick. He's from the UK and he's got a brand new documentary. That just came on Netflix. Yesterday it's called. They've got to have us and it's about out black cinema and he went out and interviewed many generations of black filmmakers in Hollywood stars as well on this is in the age of of course Hashtag Oscar's so white Simon. Thanks for being on the show I gotta ask first of all. Where are you from England from from London? So what's your team has to be the The glory of North London. It got to be up. Now I was GonNa say the glory of nothing nothing has to be Tottenham. All right I'm a life long Tottenham Fan but cheers fair enough. That's a north London team as well L.. Wallich we know that the goons are up there. So let let's talk about the the impetus behind this. When did you first get the the notion to putting a project like this together It was really around I I made the documentary in England for the BBC. Co. Blacks is the new back and It was kind of like I wanted to do a follow up And they really wanted me to do what they folks. Something bigger So so being an office myself I I was really interested in why My off as a as a black person would seem to be less valuable than the office of White People I. I never understood that because autism really the high swim of human expression that we have Growing up you know it's like I fall in love with so like Boys in the hoods and many other and I knew that they were university loved by by everyone. These types of films you know spied me film. You know she's gotTa have Do the right thing. Olivia films were universally loved by everyone. So because I I it was really out of frustration. I wanted to Talk to a group instead of talking to individuals bring a group of people together. who kind of like you know people that we revere in this industry I talked to them about As has an office talking about how they Started in industry The huddles that they had to go through have they got through. Those anathema became the people that they are today. Yeah you think about Singleton and Lee big names and I know you also talk to one of my heroes Robert Townsend and I had him on my show a couple of years ago. He was in town for the thirtieth anniversary of Hollywood shuffle which I had that on. VHS In the eighties and a guy wore out that tape it it really If if people who don't know that movie really need to see a young keenen ivory Wayans and John Witherspoon another's but this really is the story about being a black actor in Hollywood and all you can play was a pamper drug dealer or a singer. And it's it's almost you can take that movie and and put it into twenty twenty. I mean it's unfortunately For its time that movie that that it's still relevant today It shouldn't be relevant Because we should have moved on from from that by now but it is still relevant and it is you know it's the classic movie it's one of the funniest funniest movies ever. You just can't believe that the things that He and Keenan went through That they've put within the film film you know. And it's you know there's a classic scene that called the The Black Actors The blackjacks is school. uh-huh where You know BECO- white instructors. Teaching Black Actors House guy asked Turkey. Do it like that exactly. He's not doing it right. You know like this and you laughing it but when you sit absolutely hilarious The the other thing that you know that he's I. It's just classic absolutely accepted movie. But you can't believe that that's reality that they will actually do things like that directors was telling them because they knew more got being blocked the happens but it was they reality and and You know I was speaking with Simon Frederick by the way his new documentary. They've got a habit is on Netflix. Right now I spent a lot of time in England and I was a writer for a a soccer newspaper and also coached American football to the police department. Down there in Hartford. Churn bushy the the mets and had some Black players black block English players and I remember one time we were having a conversation about black people on TV and they always said well. It's pretty much lenny. Henry and that's it I mean I think about America how was it in the UK It's pretty much the same. I mean basically. They used to be a joke amongst the blackhawks and it's universal. It doesn't matter whether it was African American or Black Brett universe. If you've got a a hot in film You you really happy. So basically you get your script You read you know you find your name on the second page. That was your part Kevin Reading but you ended that the the joke was the black on the first person killed in the film So that was always the joke. Okay we're GONNA you know it's like you bet you'd better watch the show quickly because I am in the film but I really quickly changed. I'm just changing because basically what happened was is the Michelle's does it in in In they've gotTa have a we have a section of of what we call them seem steelers where basically someone's go one shot. They've got one little thing in the film so For example you have Viola Davis in Film Co. Dow how was she plays present Meryl Streep now in the whole film she only has Like a five minute section now. Now Valid Davis males this performance to the point where it becomes. The standout moment of the film gets Well she actually wins the nomination Front office got just from that moment from that five minutes. She wins the best supporting actress. It's crazy I remember a comedian over here in the seventies then Franklin and he'd always say when I was watching Star Trek and I saw a black Guy Mike. He's getting getting killed. I mean he just Getting on Netflix. Of course is huge and I just wonder about marketing because the movie posters I got the three fists and some celluloid with faces going through it. I just wonder if someone's like Oh. No that looks like the Black Panthers that's two militant. We need to change the poster Oester. Did you get any backlash over that. None whatsoever I think people people look to that post like wow when we. When can we get a prince of that? Put it up on the wall It's it's really People understood it because that has The people keep talking about. It's kind of like the revolutionary evolution of black cinema and the film and and you know that revolutionary evolution when people talk about People who black people trying to to really get some kind of equanimity calamity in cinema. It's really interesting that a token to a guy who in sports because I can I can use schools euphemism sued to make my point. You know when you when watching a soccer match or watching a an American football that We really rebel in someone's performance if someone goes out there and they are playing that sucks up if they put in a performance they put in a shift Oh matfield everyone recognizes it okay and that gets celebrated but in cinema they're great performances is put in by by people. You know it's like when I see the performances. The People like they've Bill Yellow and comedy job of And you know and other people put in in Selma and the great direct team that David Desharnais put into that. That film and not connects the You know the great performances Denzel Washington the direction of Spike Lee. I could go on. And on and on the exceptional performances that black actors black performers and writers and directors up put in and basically they get very it took credit in terms from the industry for those really amazing performances and by contrast The things that celebrates it usually There's a lot of mediocrity celebrated and I think that you know People in general black white and in Asia they recognize the the institutions like the Oscars in in the states. And you know factors in England. maybe really will become obsolete in time because people recognize that they are really not really not supporting excellent and and they say Put themselves out there to be supporting excellent. They are inside like the Olympics of the acting world and in the Olympics. You have to be back then you have to be exceptional twin so I left that starts happening within The arena rose the arena array of Cinnabar Industry I think by industry is going to be in trouble and we got to run on. But that's sports parallel. It's telling it it's really eye opening the way you put it. We've been speaking with Simon. Frederick Veve GONNA have us. It's on Netflix. Check it out now about Black Cinema Ma especially here in the United States. Your career is only going to explode bigger now. Are you ready friend an ob top hat and tails at Buckingham Palace there. Simon Br bring it on long when they when they moved up eight. They lifted over my reply. All right. Don't Tell Elizabeth Regina China the Second Simon congratulations on the film. And thanks for being on the show. I really appreciate it all right. I'm rick digital come on back are you over fifty. Would you like to get up to thirty three percents more income in retirement than call now for this free book. Annuity do's and don'ts for baby boomers from a leading financial firm on maximizing your income in retirement. That's right free. This free book reveals little known truths Sobat annuities in simple to understand terms. That will help. 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We have another two hours to go and it looks like we don't have the midway gas. We're going tomorrow and I have to. I know I said I'd give away the game but we will We'll get to that Tomorrow and we'll give it away then by the way. Apparently there's a snag in the mookie. Betts that's trade which affects a lot of players even the angels and Jock Petersen on all those guys we'll touch on that as well and keep our eye on that. NBA Trade deadline. which only has I believe two more hours to run? I'm coming back you're listening to the Hartman. Newsfeed Radio Network Broadcasting Live Twenty for seven hour by newsfeed. This stream is supported by advertises and contributions by follow us on on facebook twitter and instagram's service Daily News cast for February the six twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. White House hopeful. Joe Biden called his poor performance in the Democrats. I twenty twenty leadership vote in. Iowa's was caucuses a gut punch that from the BBC. 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Rick tittle brings home the Bacon. Is it up in a pan. And then he eats it ricky in the his official business. Search wow just as I'm opening my mouth dominate tells me that the warriors traded Diangelo Russel. Muscled you WanNa take over you got you got a Mike can get on the air. It's better than you traded. Diangelo Russel Guard. Jacob Evans vins forward. Amari spelman to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Andrew Wiggins at twenty twenty one protected first round pick and at twenty twenty two second round pick according to Adrian about a minute a half. Wow No karl anthony towns but wiggins so they basically get the Ngelo Russell they give up de Ngelo Russell to get wiggins and a first round pick. That's basically what it is right wiggins and a first for Russell you know this deal deal was offered to the warriors a month ago we talked about it and the warriors said No. But they're going to jump on it right now Mrs Wiggins so. This is cancel Russell. We hardly knew ye This is a big news around these parts and we'll talk about the other. Big News around these parts is well one eight hundred. Eight seven eight P. L. A. Y.. Alibi I all that good stuff American Forces Radio Network when you think about Our troops being the ones to WHO Keep US protected. That's just a factual statement. They are the ones that do that. There are a lot of people in the world who mean US harm and We always have to recognize that we think we think that everybody loves US They don't so I don't know we'll we'll get the reaction on that whole thing about deal. Oh to the timber. Wolves for wiggins and draft picks but As I said this just came on here in the last two minutes. So we'll address that big Shoutout to those of you listening sports byline Dot Com those listening on the tune in radio APP iheartradio APP stitcher APP. I'm on ATV Kinda twitch TV the twitter is at Rick tittle and you can listen to us on your TV set on crn digital plus too. 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Wanted the Ngelo Russell and you could ask yourself why he signed to a Max the deal. He's a guy who is a great score but not a good defender. The reason is is because Karl Anthony towns desperately an openly has said. I need to play with the Ngelo Russell. I have to have him so the bleacher report and ESPN. They're all going off Adrian. WHOA generosity so I should greet his tweet? I and it said de Ngelo Russell Andrew Wiggins and the warriors will get. Hey Twenty twenty one first round pick so not this draft but next is protected To be top three. So if you're one of those fourteen percent chance and the number one pick that's protected and then a twenty twenty two second round picks and other warriors have a couple of picks that year and the Warriors Will Send Jacob Evans and Amari Spelman to the timber wolves as well Jevons was a late first round. Pick out of Cincinnati. He won't be missed. I don't care about excuse me I don't care about Amari spelman. Dominic does and to be fair Dominic watches warriors more than I do but the question is now is how does Andrew Wiggins fit in because Andrew Wiggins was he number one overall pick he was right right of the the cavs number one overall pick out of Kansas and this was cheese at six years ago. Now it's hard to believe but Taller player six-foot-seven really really skinny On the season right now averaging twenty two and a half points five rebounds four assists and you know has some value there. There's no no doubt he has some value. And you just figure how does he fit in to the whole deal. Because he's a shooting guard six-foot-seven shooting guard. Almost it's a little bit like Klay Thompson. Who I believe is six foot six? Well the thing about Russell and I remember talking to Connell attornal. The warriors beat writer for the San Francisco Chronicle This was months ago and he said this before curry got hurt on October. Thirtieth right around Halloween Wean that win Dangelo. Russell played with curry. The plus minus went way down on both guys which which was I thought why. Why is that? Why is that true? Well it doesn't matter why it was true now as I said this is a guy that was signed using the timber wolves bird rights and he just signed a big huge deal last year. So he's in the second again year of a five-year one hundred and forty eight million dollar deal. His base salary. This year is twenty-seven mill L.. Next year when he's twenty five years old. It'll be twenty nine and a half mil the year after that. It'll be thirty one and a half mil and then his last year. Here's the twenty twenty two twenty three season. I'll be twenty seven years old and he'll make over thirty three and a half million dollars which is obviously a lot of cash josh. But if you look at the deal Dangelo. Russell signed It's going to You know they said these. These salaries Had to match up so the warriors are down four players from their last game and that's But apparently apparently I've heard that Josh Kogi is he coming in this deal as well. I don't know what it is anymore. woes says says it's just wiggins and two picks are all right. Well we'll get to all that as I said it's a it's a huge huge deal In the bay area. Let's go to New York City with Charlie. How're you doing Charlotte? Hey Rick our you got the update at the trade from you Rydell right off the top I it doesn't really excite me I as much as A. I'm not a big fan of wiggins I mean. Are you like him at all. I mean I I like him. I like deal. Oh more because I I've seen and he's just an offensive machine but he it just didn't fit with curry and it's sad but I guess it's true. No I I I agree and I I curly in the year. I just said you know the war's going to stink and let it. Just be the de la show and and you know have them have a career year and then you Uh optimize on that with with a trade and you know obviously as a warrior FA. I wasn't into getting ended. A KUPA was a complete pipedream but I thought maybe they would have kept them through the end of the year packaging with the first round and throwing whomever else. And maybe you can get Ben Simmons or or something I I I'm just waiting I think the warriors mindset is waking within it was surrounded by clay and and drain Steph will bring out the best of him because he I don't yeah I I think what this is is that the warriors had not been in the draft for the next few years they had to give up a one to get deal. Oh now they have that one back now. They have a four second round picks that they didn't have yesterday. I think this was just to get back into that first. Round for a player who they think is probably the same who they think will probably be be a better fit. So they get rid of member. Jacob Evans was a first round pick so he was signed yet some some real money so they get they get that off the books as well for a bus US. Oh they take on one of our bus they take on a guy in my in my opinion and Spelman. WHO's very young? But he's on his third team now and they they get they they get a guy who might be a better fit and they get a first round pick and another second round pick so I just think for them. It was too much to give up. Yeah right and and in addition to that now they burcin artists and that was it. Please educate me is that I mean that was more of a salary dump just to get ended a tax situation now now that was that was to get three second round picks. Yeah but how many I mean listen Pascal and Draymond with the second round pick a Pasco but how many quality players you get in the second round in an NBA draft nowadays. Well the reason the warriors love it is that they're so top heavy with the bash. Ashburn the bash. Brothers the splash splash brothers Draymond and now wiggin's that they have to hit on the second round picks you mentioned Draymond Graham on air. Paschal you you. You can think about Montreal us you can think about Gilbert Arenas right they figure now they have four more second round picks and if they can hit with a couple more Eric Pascal's that will save them a boatload of money and they don't have to worry about salary cap and bird rights and all this other stuff often nonexempt and and mid level exception all these crazy trade things so I think they. They're building for the future because they know this year is nothing and they like burks. I know that Marcus Thompson said that the warriors will try to. He thinks that the warriors we'll try to get Robinson back in free agency after this year because the coaching staff loved him. So we'll see I read that too so finally then are you Initially your initial reaction and you happy with the deal for wigan straight like. I said I'm with you. I'm not a huge wiggins fan but better but not only does it fit better but they get back into the first round to and so so if you think about if both guys are the same and I could listen. They're not the same player but stat wise. They're the same player so so and wiggins plays a little bit better D.. Apparently if you can trade a guy for a guy like for like and then get a first and a second with it. I think you gotTa do right right. And and I mean and finally wasn't listen I I think this I there's potential and wiggins I definitely can and I'll be optimistic and hopeful wasn't correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he referred to as the Canadian Michael Jordan now point or the nickname the maple leaf Jordan or something to that it wasn't it was highly touted coming out. Well you're and you're right. He is from Canada. He's from Russia called called Somewhere in Ontario forgot the name of that count but yeah he went to Kansas and yeah he was the Canadian Michael Jordan. I forgot the exact nickname but he was highly clouded. And and this the thing about the the cavs the cavs. I can't remember the name of the kid that from Fresno state their first number one overall pick that was a bust he was the best guy. Anthony Bennett thank you very much dominic. And then of course they had Kyri when they had the number one. Pick that one worked out WHO's technically Australian but Yeah we'll see see if I mean. I hope he's a better fit. I think he could play. Maybe a little small forward who knows I because I know he's a swing man so I wouldn't that be nice. If he could be the three I mean he certainly better comparison Barnes and they wanNA title with him. That's all I'll be optimistic and At one final note completely irrelevant to the warriors. 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We don't need mediocre bench players when I realize when I tweeted I put were the worst team in basketball W. R. S. E.. I meant worst. Sell it just better off. Just delete that tweet dudes on lewd should not drive quick. What movie fast? Times at Ridgemont high Big News Man. One eight hundred eight hundred seventy eight play Tristan Thompson Kevin Love we hear these his name especially Thompson very talented guy. A bright spot on a dismal cavs team career highs in points rebounds assists and as I said they had rock bottom on Saturday when the warriors who who sock and play a lot of guys because they were hurt throttled them by nineteen points at home. So this this is why the old asset accu accumulation mode comes in because Thomson was not the only the high profile profile big man on the market. We already know about Capella. Kevin love reportedly requested a trade three years. Ninety one million thirty one years old injury history. I don't know we. We keep hearing these rumors about Teams that have have been very close to getting Tristan Thompson Just yet and as I said we will keep our our is to the. What's it called our forks on the fire? We'll keep our eyes on the road and our hands upon the wheel so I wonder if Diangelo Russel by the way really wanted to go play with K.. T. as much as K.. T. wanted him. And I know that couple of tweets from the last half hour Mark Stein says that the sons have received offers for Kelly oubre way from the magic. No deal just yet You know what's funny the the yesterday just yesterday. I think yesterday that was talking. About how the Knicks. Just always feel like we'll give you this or that for that. There is a report in New York this morning. That the Knicks. We're GONNA get Diangelo Russel by offering offering frank and Kelly Tina and bobby portis. What that's just for starters? Bobby Portis is a bench player. That'll score you nine points a game and Frank Ntilikina the Belgian first round pick. He's not somebody. Do you want to write home about. But that's just the way it is Couple of other trades the clippers are trading. Derrick Walton to the Hawks for cash. Kris Haines said the rockets are desperate for Tristan Thompson. They've already tried a few times but they just can't make the money work so that means they need to get more into a the Third or fourth team Miami. Still trying hard to get Gaulan Nari right now. a trade. That did go down. The as the hawks are very aggressive. Remember before team trade getting Acklin Cappella. They've made another deal. They are dealing Jabari. Parker an Alex Len to the Kings for d'alene deadman and two second round picks next to now the deal will give the hawks another big man to put next to trae young and give them a couple. More draft picks to grow with young deadman. deadman played with the hawks the last three years so he's already right back. We're GONNA guy here Jason Stewart. Who after he left Violin he went and became Jim Rome producer for years but his pet peeve is when a guy went back to his original team Mike why he goes? I just hated needed baseball football. He hated guys going back to their original team. Well deadman's right back. And in the off season the kings gave him three for forty and it seemed like the kings regretted the deal almost immediately because this is the guy who started almost every game aim for Atlanta last year and what the Kings he started ten games and he's averaged about sixteen minutes and so this is why he requested a trade trade and by the way to trade will cost him fifty thousand dollars so what he said. In December was quote. I would like to be traded and I haven't been playing so I would like to go somewhere where my talents are appreciated. I'm trying to play and I've been told I'm no longer in the rotation Asian here so there's really nothing to wait on quote. Well that's worth giving up fifty K.. It really is. It's one thing if you're not playing on on the best teams in basketball kings. Want you and you have to wonder about what they were thinking giving them that extension if they really didn't want him well. There's a new coach in town. So he got his wish. And you know he was great last year. And they'll try to turn them into a playoff contender in the east again on the air. Five points a game five rebounds again with Parker Parker is averaging fifteen points and six six boards decent power forward. Alex Len is a guy. Averaging nine points and six rebounds a game this is a center so look deadman had far more via to Atlanta than he would for other teams. Because the Hawks Locker Room there was widely noted how much they missed deadman's vocal leadership leadership they have such a young roster trae young's frustrated with the talent around him so that'll make them happy for five minutes at least and you know in basketball the ball terms as you think about Cappella and Collins pick and roll guys catching dunks things like that. Atlanta has found a lot of success in recent years with a double drag pick and roll so extensively Capella or Collins. And then you need a big man who has nice shot and that'd be deadman so dead men can fill either role and he's a little bit of a weapon to so taking on the thirteen point three he's owed is an ideal but Atlanta has a Lotta clap clap. Yes they have the clap and a lot of cap flexibility ability moving forward. Now the kings don't have a lot of trade flexibility but in signing deadman they signed it Harrison bar or Harrison Barnes yet Trevor Reza Cory Joseph. They committed a huge amount of money into veterans for teen. That's supposed to be building. And then you think about retaining booked on Bogdonovich who the Lakers want. I restricted free agent. Buddy healed already. Run A diva. He's an ex Steph. Curry easy buddy. Healed is locked into one hundred and six million dollar deal and the Aaron Fox is already looking for Max extension attention. Didn't they just draft him. So that concern is a lot easier now. Parker GonNa make six and a half million next year so so they're gonNA save seven million dollars that's going to be open. And the funny thing is deadman. When he put in his trade request he started getting more minutes and playing better did the kings changed their mind? No their window shopping him. They're putting them on the top shelf. Here he is look. He's good but giving up draft picks to dump trump a contract that they signed a guy to eight months. Ago Is pretty stupid but things change. You don't want to be locked into it. It was a bad decision but if it takes soon routes to Second round picks to keep a guy like Bogdanovich then so be because the move in a vacuum acumen make sense even if the original deadman deal did not make sense so there's a lot going on a lot of moving pieces in in and out you know the welcome to Golden State Andrew. Mrs Wiggins if you ever watched If you ever watched Carol Burnett so you'll know that but I mean think about it. Curry Makes Forty Mel L.. Clay makes thirty three MIL. Wiggins twenty-seven mill draymond eighteen mil. Then you get Kevon looney. Four four million the sixth highest paid player is on the Warriors Jordan Pool. This is how top heavy they are. They've got four guys. Then you've got looney making decent money. And then pull Paschal smile edged Damian Lee and then a couple of two guys that are GonNa get rosters boss boss now and Bauman and Chris by the way they're still playing over sixty six or six hundred sixty six million dollars in dead cap money on Livingston. They're still playing the dead cap money. Satan's address come on back using an overpriced trash bag pricey pricey pricey bag that breaks windy or a smelly bag time to switch to hefty ultra-strong trash bags always at an ultra low price. There are best spags yet and they cost less than glad force flex where salt had to head. So you'll be happy. Abby Hefty ultra-strong with Armand Hammer Odor control also available volun-. Heavy duty black bags. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But we have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked picked up some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass on the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave autobiography for your family. 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Look if you put a classically trained cellist in a garage band and you tell the player laming young. I guarantee you the meet on that Burrito. Ain't GonNa Light The candle. Thanks for clarifying Rick. If you're good driver there's no other way to say you deserve discounts with Snapshot Progressive Casualty Insurance Company the NFL Elliott's Snapshot Not Available in California Carolina or from all agents. I'm sorry it's it's the pleats. It's actually an optical illusion. It's the pattern on the pads. Ask the flattering the CROTCH region. I'm actually taking them back right now. Back to the pants store. Rick tittle is a majestic destig- stallion. Thank you for that and welcome back to the show you know there are always things in the NBA. When it comes to bird non bird early bird? Trade exception on trade exception Max supermax. I don't understand. I think most people who went to Harvard understand them but I was just doing a little bit deeper dive when I saw that the over six hundred thousand dollars I think I said over six hundred million dollars. That'd be a lot to pay dead money for Shaun Livingston but they're also cap holds cap holds. They do not give the team team new cap space and they're not counted against luxury tax Alexander allocation but there are four cap holds on the warriors right now and each one is one point six million Matt Barnes Andrew Bogut Yoenis Europe Co and David West. I You you could. I cannot tell you why that is or why that exists. But let's talk to somebody. We were just talking trades with the warriors. Ask Vincent Lafayette. What's up man all right so I like I? I heard the words are under a cat now. So they see forty million dollars you you know hit but who they know 'cause they they lost like a ton of players having just traded obviously Their Point Guard Gotcha to Memphis so now they got WIG wiggins Too I mean I was GonNa ask you right off the bat. What I've heard and again I don't watch Minnesota Paul wiggins is that really that great defense that true for what you heard he? That's not his Ford now but I mean either is dealers So I said you basically swapped the same guy and you get a first round pick and a second round pick with it. Yeah the warriors have eleven guys right now which is plenty but they need to Signed somebody off the street or they need to go down to Santa Cruz. This is the best best thing that ever happened to some Santa Cruz Warriors. Probably I mean yeah because I heard like they're based like barely under it right now like otherwise they get tax forty million even sure how many players they could sign obviously What's his name that the point guard? That's been sitting there because he ran out of days when you can get a deal now. Yeah Yeah. So he'll be brought up. And and then Marco Chris is too but he's he's good through March and then the season's over so they don't really have to bring him up they could just leave them because a two lake contract does not count on the CAP. I I learn something new like a month ago. So markey's Chris I mean they they probably have enough casted to bring bring him up now. I would think you know. But he's ready up but what I'm saying is that doesn't count on cap so in other words which I didn't even know that two way player even though he's playing And he has quite a few days. He'll he'll get to the middle of March and that's when the season's over then he could play anyway so his salary will never count on a cast accident. They have some I'm not sure how much they have left. Because makes more than Russell and they had to trade those other two players Robinson acid- and Burke just to get under the cap otherwise they get tagged forty million. I mean I I. I couldn't believe I heard they get free million off the payroll that's why he traded there's There are other two players Evans and Spilled a just to stay they under that cap otherwise hit forty million so they're now officially under the cat so they're like four years they were over the cap so this is the first two hundred. A cabinet makes a big deal. Otherwise they get a forty million defenders. They get penalized more other to capture then next two so I would ask you the first question that comes right off. My bad glad. I got the traffic they got for next year is protected. I three to the turns at top three. Then it goes to twenty twenty two and then and it becomes unprotected so that so it may not be a twenty twenty one. Because it's Kinda stinks but you never know but that could be if it's four pick the fourth or or further down. We did it for next year. Otherwise the twenty two. My question is it's wicked you think Obviously it's not that I play with them until the end of the season. Is he going to be on the TV pick next year. or he thinks they're going to trade him in the off season. Well I mean I don't know how they could. I mean it's hard to train a guy who's going to be making thirty million dollars next year and then for three years after that to he's only twenty twenty four years old. He's six foot seven. Day would probably love to see if he could be this small forward. How long of the warrior has been looking? I mall forward I mean forever. So it's I mean obviously you could say Katie was the small forward but Katie. The at six foot eleven was a completely unique beast. But I mean Harrison. Barnes couldn't shoot Mike Dunleavy. Couldn't shoot Jonas. You're go there ever since Chris Mullin they've probably been looking for a small forward since Bernard King so it'd be great if wiggins could be that small forward to play with the splash brothers next year. So so they're gonNA keep it. Sounds like I have a feeling to the next question is do you think in the off fees because obviously have a bunch of players the look at do you think Glen Robinson burks cool. Come back at the sixers. Don't sign 'em Marcus Thompson. said that they loved Robinson Jason and it was his opinion that they will try. And do that. Yeah that's what I was thinking and then the next thing that's running for my mind. Obviously it's so far away. It's like a million miles. I was like and we don't even know where we're going to drop. But let's say the words get really lucky to pink ball hits number one do you think the warriors will will probably pick the player or do you think they'll move back. No I think they'll pick the player I mean there's no reason to move back the NBA draft is such garbage. And you if you get that chance to get that elite player usually to me after one two three. It's just a bunch of guys and then you need. You need to get lucky. And maybe you'll find a star or like Klay Thompson and Steph curry and maybe Klay Steph. Curry led college basketball in scoring. That's why I was over the moon that they signed him but if they it's not like football a ball where you can trade back and get tremendous value basketball only has in my opinion. I mean there's Zairian and a rant and then why it's a bunch of guys in this last route all right so if you get the number one pick if you were let's say let's say it was today and obviously we even have march madness yet today. Who would you lead on picking? If you were the warriors I would. Yeah I would think I would think they would go after wiggins because they don't have a center outside of you know the guy guy like smiling age. Yeah so that's that's but the guard from Atlanta is doing really well I heard but everybody else else is hurt or not playing. So it's like so you think. March madness will say when it comes out. I mean because you have all those teams. Obviously I mean Marcus S.. Got Got Got Eric drafted you know And you know he's twenty two years old and they're like ooh sold you know Jordan pools twenty Johnny Allen Smiley Gates is still nineteen years old. I mean those were the other the other picks there but You know and then of course I mean if loonies healthy loonies gonNA GONNA get look at center as well but Yeah it's basically smiling any those are your well marquees Chris. I should forget him remember. He's only twenty two years old as well. Well I think Christmas that'd be really. I mean not like a starter. I think Chris is like the type of Guy The energy guy that comes up you want a big center. I mean I think the worst get a good. Hopefully this year's draft for next year's draft or wherever it falls in is defining a starting starting center and then Marcus Chris to me is like a really good coming off the bench guy. You don't want him to be your starting center Ludi Ludi I watch it. I was Kinda shot. He's only played to him. He was like plus Penn both times when he was playing he only played a few minutes. He's a good point. Yeah I mean that was like very smart around good. I mean that was that was like that was the first thing that popped in my head. I know he was good at. I don't and And last year in the playoffs he was really good. Looney I mean he Betas Name for himself and Liz shape. I'm going plus ten. I'm going Oh wow. That's that's a guy that that can be. You're starting center. But I mean I I guess I'm kind of excited. I I kinda bad loss Robinson. I really wanted to keep them because I I know. He played better defensive burks now publicly getting back next year. I I don't think we're GONNA win too. Many games down the stretch. I think we're going to be really terrible because we lost all our players. I mean like you said we're GonNa go to who awesome. Santa Cruz could bring up. I have no I haven't looked at that roster in a long longtime anyone. That's worth his salt. I think is probably already been up a little bit. You know what I mean. It doesn't have to be sacrificed. I mean that's one thing about the Mhm It's not the warriors team Santa Cruz. It's anybody could drop anybody so they could go into like Memphis. They kicked our crap out of Santa Cruz. I mean they won like forty fifty points and this is something Memphis. Be Pretty good that you know. Because they're like they're really good. I was I watch. This is upset. My Life's ice been lately. I've watched league basketball. You know in the warriors point so that this was really good. I don't know the players off the top of my head had it all but I like destroyed Santa Cruz. They literally destroyed. So did you watch that on the Internet. No it was yeah it was on regular regular. TV Chad were the warriors channel. Forty they they put the Santa Cruz. Warriors odd win. The warriors are playing. So like you'll have the worst play today in the next next day. Santa Cruz is playing. So I'm watching a lot of the Santa Cruz Games I could seek Baldwin play and he looks he's getting a lot of playing time I watched are centered. Saturday you know. I think he needs another year at Santa Cruz before he comes up. I don't think he's ready yet for MBA Cool I like to see him in Santa. Yeah cruise I think he would benefit really good at Santa Cruz Just plain a lot more. I think he's not ready for the NBA. And it's not bad it's like it's like a League baseball true events I gotta run. 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He's a hard throwing prospect a wipeout slider but he's a got a high effort delivery and he has two pitches. This is why people think he's GonNa be a reliever now the Red Sox as a starter so I don't know what they're gonNa do but you might might ask. Has He had his Tommy John Yet and he has in two thousand fifteen and it's a sad state of affairs that we have to ask that but that is the norm. It's sort of like my friends who are Mormon and then you'd say have you got on your mission yet. You know once you go on your mission then you can can get married usually so this is almost like Tommy. John is your mission. If you'll allow me that My friends there from the latter day saints but He's had his Tommy John and so the Red Sox now may leverage this what that means is they might ask for another player and it's like like we didn't know. Was this banged up. We didn't know that he's going to be a reliever because he only has two pitches. That'd be hard to believe. They didn't do their due diligence. And wouldn't know everything about the Guy Guy at that point but they can say if you still want to trade to go through. We want that kid who played in the Midwest leg At low way and hit you know whatever three thirty you could go to advanced rookie short season and find a guy in the pioneer league for the Orem. Owls and say that guy. The kid from the Dominican who's nineteen years old throws was in the high nineties. Throw him into. But we'll see if this goes down remember if it does go down. Dodgers get mookie. Betts David Price and cash all from Boston. Red Red Sox get Alex for do go from the dodgers Bruce L. Grabher all from the twins and the twins just straight up. Get Ken to my Ada. So they trade grat or all for my Ada at that point but the dodgers now have told the angels to hold off on the Peterson. Rend deal because they're not gonNA Trade Peterson if they can't get ver- do go out so we're all waiting on the medicals as they say. Come on back you're listening to the Hartman. Newsfeed Radio Network Broadcasting Live twenty percents and our by. This stream is supported by advertisers taxes and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's mm-hmm Service Daily Newscast For v Board the six twenty twenty. I Mike Clifford White House hopeful. Joe Biden uncalled his poor performance in the Democrats. I twenty twenty leadership. Vote in Iowa caucuses a gut punch that from the BBC. Their report Biden's Haddens coming forth. According to incomplete results Biden said quote. I'm not going to sugar coat it. This isn't the first time in my life. I've been locked down the BBC ads ads with most of the results declared it in. Monday's glitch. Play Caucuses Pete. Buddha judge Birdie centers are neck and neck. New Hampshire is the next day to vote on February eleventh. Eleventh Meantime Are Mike Bowen reports. I was prominent role in the essential. Nominating process is now being questioned. After this week's delays and technical issues issues Iowa has long held one of the most closely watched events in the election cycle with its caucuses as the first votes taken every four years. But with this this year's delayed results those who want I would've switched to a primary election and later on the calendar amplified their calls for Article Fowler with the Aclu of Iowa Iowa says her organization would at least like to see more improvements for people who can't take part we have concerns about the current format because it's very difficult occult for a wide variety of marginalized people and and many others to actually participate. Father says there access issues issues for people with disabilities older people who can't travel and for anyone who works in the evening I wa Democratic Party said it did take steps this year to make the event easier easier for people with disabilities including an online forum for voters to make accommodation requests an effort to increase minimum wage. For all how workers is a step closer to truth enough ever ballot. Here's Mary Sherman on Wednesday. The Ohio Ballot Board Certified Language for the proposed amendment brought forth by Ohioans for raising the wage James Hayes with that coalition says the Measure Mirror. See Two thousand six initiative that indexed wage increases to inflation would be voting to raise wages. She's thirteen dollars. By twenty twenty five that rate would be connected to inflation so wages would continue to rise with the cost of living year after year as it has been the slower but we would have the higher floor to begin with the current. Minimum wage is eight dollars seventy cents an hour. The coalition needs to collect about four hundred fifty thousand certified signatures by July first to to put the measure before voters in November. This story was produced in association with media and the public interest and funded in part by George Foundation currently at Ohio. Hi on working fulltime for minimal. Wages paid just over eighteen thousand dollars a year. According to research from Policy Matters Ohio that would leave leave a full-time worker with a family. Three about three thousand dollars. Below the poverty line. This is P. S. Kentucky Chucky lawmakers considering a bill that would prevent seriously mentally ill defendants from receiving the death penalty a handful of other states including Ohio. Virginia and Indiana Indiana recently have pushed similar legislation. Patric Della Handy of the Kentucky Coalition to abolish the death penalty says the bill does not exclude everyone with some mm form of mental illness from capital punishment. Only those with severe disorders such as schizophrenia. And so it doesn't seem fair and a system of justice that seeks to to punish someone and also show people the difference between good and bad he says the bill is similar to a Kentucky law passed in the early nineteen nineties that bars people deemed to be mentally disabled from being executed. I'm Nadia Ramleh Gun. The National Alliance on mental illness and other groups have publicly stated their opposition to executing executing people with serious mental health issues. The Pine Ridge Indian reservation in southwestern South Dakota will be the site of one hundred million dollars. Our Solar Energy Generation Project Roz Brown reports for pianists. The State's public utilities commission approved a lookout solar park this week for property about eighty miles from rapid city to build the state's first large-scale solar facility a German company Will Lisa land from the rap family. Lynn rap is a member of the Oglala Sioux tribe who has represented the family and hopes the historic project will be an example for other reservations. And then we know that win dollars spent turns over seven times in communities where disease and our reservation talents are desperate for cash. The lease agreement is the first of its kind for the Bureau of Indian Affairs and finally our gladys tells us a coalition of conservation groups are taking the US Fishing Wildlife Service to court over its proposal to postpone phasing out which interfering at the Jackson hole national elk refuge. Recent winners have seen more than eight thousand. Elk crowded on refuge feed lines for alfalfa pellets provided by by the agency Connie Wilbur with Sierra Clubs Wyoming chapter one of the groups joining the lawsuit says the time for fishing wildlife to take steps to prevent the potentially catastrophic straffic spread of disease is now fishing wildlife. Service needs to start phasing out feeding on the elk refuge now before the refuge which becomes infected with chronic disease wildlife officials detected chronic wasting disease in Jackson hole in two thousand eighteen. And Biologists say it's just a matter of time before it reaches elk drawn to easy winter food supplies Wyoming livestock producers. An hunters have urged fish and wildlife to keep the winter program in place