11 Episode results for "Topanga Canyon"
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"Hey guys kristen carrying Mida. Welcome to our podcast. I mean why not cheers to this. Week's podcast okay you guys. I don't think I'm going to get over the whole thing. I'm so excited that we have a podcast cheers part content with the podcast right now. Just hey guys welcome to our podcasts who is so great. I love it so cute. I know I love it so second second week and we're so excited so excited so pumped minus. What was your week like Oh? How did you guys do this? I've had a crazy week. I know I do yeah like I'm kind of exhausted today because I feel like when I was looking back at my week I was like I went to Joshua Tree. I had some company company left and then I had new company and company came last night and company came and left and Blah Blah Blah but it was a very fun week to Joshua Tree. You're always having company. I know like you literally are like what do you call it like revolving door yeah in and out in and you know we Kinda love it. I know we do love it. We don't kind of love it. We you're listening for all the guests Kinda like I know. My mom always says she says three day Max she's like you're welcome to convince me anytime as though that's out one of our guest John Visser shout out Don Mr John says after three days it starts to smell like fish sh wow so we had two rounds of guests this week but we had are like sort of faith. Guess who come like every three months to visit us and we went to Joshua Tree. Have you guys ever been there. No after seeing your the pictures yeah see list correctable. Everybody should go to Joshua tree at least once in their life. It's not like an adventure well. No I take that back. It's very had been talking about your like climbing boulders mining rocks. Did you see any the footage and you'll in Jeff and Christian and Anna an Hannukah climbing up the rocks to the very top yeah that was amazing but no saint. I like. I can't do that no you can't. There's no way they have I mean is I'm way too afraid of heights like my way AM I. We're GONNA have a hard time. Driving up mountains like even on the little hills here in California like I can't seriously we went to cal we went to Colorado once drove. There went up to the mountains and I almost had a panic attack. I refu- I couldn't even look. I can't even look down the little cliff because when you're driving I'm I'm a slip. Never go there again is adding. You know it's funny. He's I remember. I don't know wherever you are. There was like a huge cliff. Drop off your driving. Oh as New York state when me Tom you know my cousin renee and her husband Tom he was driving and Rene was like having a full on just like you were explaining like the panic attack you drink. She was drinking literally out of the bottle of wine like drinking when she was to try not to know I mean in those situations I just have to close my eyes and not look because I can't no so one time the Little Topanga Canyon mounds of Your No. That's way too scary isn't it. Though Abbas accidents all the time it falls my gosh now. I'm really never GONNA I. I did that one. I've done it twice now and both times. I didn't really know what I was getting into. It was just a quicker way to get where I was going instead of going highway so I did it and once I was I was in the middle of it and I literally said thought to myself that I'm GONNA stop. I'm going to have to stop pullover. Call Josh and make him come. Get me because as I could not finish that dry obviously over. I know there was no that's kept kept going. I'm just gonNA keep going a little more until you know to get to a spot but I couldn't find one and I literally could not breathe. I think they have like P._T._S._D.. From growing up because my my dad he loved to be the driver on road trips all the time and he also had narcolepsy he were at fall asleep while driving and my mom would be like slapping his arm to wake him up in like car or wake up and we'd be driving on like so. I like when I'm driving on like those like what you're talking about happening things. I'm like literally like to know like so slow low that everyone behind me. It's annoyed and they start passing me and I'm like how how can you just feed by. It's like the solid double yellow line supposed to pull. They get so frustrated. I guess but my thing is why do they not why are they not all required to have the real L. Guard raise. You'll you'll go through some areas where there's no guard Cyrano rail and it's just a drop off in that okay we just totally sidetracked from being afraid of heights second next level because if your kids are up on mountain size of my kids are all in Jeff's up there with him and I'm like take that man's head off when he gets heart he is like an adventure well ventura soul and he like eggs on its kids doing does does it ever I mean I'm sure you've heard the stories of the tourists that go to the Grand Canyon to take fell and then they slip yeah and then they fall envisioned I seriously we went when we go. That'd be like nobody's allowed to get near like no taking pictures. Nobody's allowed and put the funniest video on instagram though this week because she was she did this whole video of like the boys as in Jeff like going up to the very top and she's like just for the record. I tried to save you. When you guys fall to your death I it was funny and the thing is yeah? It's scary for all those boulders and climbing up that for your family family but I'm looking at the footage of <hes> when the frigging snake that huge snake bit you guys posted how seriously we are in the backyard. We were in the backyard right by the barbecue. We were out by the barbecue ready to make like burgers or whatever and and this like. I want to say that Xabi home maybe I don't know said it was like a diamond head. Oh Gosh I don't know what it was but it was it was big. I was thinking that thing was like seven feet toes huge and where does say under was it like under the under the House and then in this house because there's a snake underneath me but he cites the snake and the heights and relaxing. It's like the chilliest it is very relaxing like honestly like we were like laying out in the pool. We'll just like Chilin during the day and then every single night we turn off every single light in the whole house in like we're kind of out in the middle of nowhere because it's a desert and we turn off all the lights and then like the stars literally like jump out of the sky at you so we downloaded this app where you can like point. You're on your phone at a star in it will tell you what the star is. You can see constellations nations. You can see like Jupiter it was amazing and we would be out there for like three hours just staring at the sky with like chill music going in the background shout out to Anna's playlist and it was just like so chill. We're just like drinking wine and staring up at the stars it was so recoils reminds me of like high school days like likes like laying back and just looking at the stars because we were camp counselors and we would all like sneak out over cabins. Leave the kids professional and that was when you were not canoeing. That's now cert yeah and we would all just delay we sneak out and leave the campers and the cabins. Oh my God I would kill if I knew that someone who's doing that to my child but we all just go oh and look at the stars. It was so fun that was like the best part of my week I on or sheer Chris. I have a I mean I'm in the midst of it right now we went and looked at homes and we found the one man yeah so in the midst. You know we just finished negotiating and that's so crazy like a smaller in negotiating I tried to be I came down real low and they're came back just like not really I guess I'll cave. Yeah and then of course it was Jack's twentieth birthday and I got super lucky to have him home is so they flew in from Australia Day of his birthday Davis Birthday and they get like five thirty six new street out to dinner and then he I went to one of our favorite restaurants the tussin without seeing in front who had like Garlic Bosch. I said I wasn't going to cave in my diet but you oh my God do of Carleen was so pissed at myself. I had three three no. It's okay upwards of like eight. If I'm literally. How many points do you think those are my two? Those roles probably ten ten points each. Maybe eight holly mean it's soaked in butter. No series read. It's bread dipped in butter than it's worth all your weekly points in one. You are doing weight watchers so we are killing it though I'm like <music>. I'm actually doing really good at the weight watchers part. I'm not doing well at the workout part. I just like the way watches because it's an APP and you it has all your points for you. In just like have been able to put my points in and know what I have left for the day for the week and it just works knob donkey. I'm very kito carries a carry kito and I did really well on Kito too but then after a while I just get to it's it was where I was wanting to continue but every day was like becoming a day for me 'cause I've really had to have carbs herbs and or sugar. <hes> inside just couldn't maintain. I I all week. Oh my gosh I did it again. Yeah I know well we went to Joshua tree and I ate like crap the whole week and when I got on the scale and I got home I was like Oh yeah we're doing okay. I tried that and I lasted like two and a half days. I know how actually I went five days on. That's the I can see in your face to in I mean I think it's an all of us once we lose weight. We're interface. It's either to break. Take a stall on Kito or it's too like jump start Kito again and so that's the way I was doing at this time. So I went I lost six pounds in no seven pounds batch and in like five days and the last night right I had like steak and Caesar Jeez and all that stuff that was still kito yeah eight last night like it was like my off of eggs all week so I broke this egg fast by eating like Kito Food and it was a lot of Yummy food and I was sure I was going to put on weight today and I was like another half pound down as they decide. Oh you're going to be fine as you don't eat your last time I did it. I was like once I went off of it. I went up another pound or whatever but it still like mostly stayed off yeah yeah. I don't know what's going on with my body like there's no way like I. I'm just like I've lost a few pounds and I'm just stuck. I really work out. Don't I guys <hes> yeah. It would help stem star I know but I I mean you just drop it. I think it's my metabol- night. I just drops it. I know oh my gosh pigs. Are you posted on Instagram Ohio. By the way that was one I can swear on anything in my life that that was not that was not like squished or trimmed or you're no you look hot your leg. I was like posting Damn I look good I mean I know it has been the workout that dead weight watchers has helped because it's portion control you know I still have everything I want but I have. It's a total portion control type of Diet pseudo-world hungry. Though I don't feel like doing all thing is that you can eat as much as you want right chicken as long as it's just like no skin and it's not anything just I can eat breast and even black beans. I know I don't eat black beans. Oh I love it so if I go to like a Mexican restaurant just have the restaurant in Dallas that we love half the SITO's. Okay let in the points you think that is a lot we decided when we go to Dallas next time we just have to like to go that rest the fried ice cream. It's Pappasito's Jose seriously women diets. I feel like they're I feel like women are always on a diet of some sort like we cheat for like a week and then we're like Oh. We gotta get back on a diet yeah but then I try to convince myself okay. I'm not doing a diet. I'm actually lifestyle change yeah. This is is it. This is the way my life. Don't you think that's the weight. Watchers is helping. I mean totally it really is like you're not depriving yourself not not at all. It's just portions ugly. I decided because normally like when if I'm like on this health kick fit or whatever all I'll if I'm writing down my calories points or whatever it is that I'm I normally will you know say I had a a scoop of like cake. Jack's birthday cake cake which <music> tablespoon I mean I'm sorry but one tablespoon of pure sugar like that's just a lot of point yeah and you realize you realize it and it was like one day. I don't remember where I was. It was like some get together something it was like you'd have a little bit of this this in a little bit of that in a little bit of rice and you don't realize that adds up to now. That's exactly it so I decided I'm I literally don't cheat in any way. Even though I'm like Oh that was just a quick little by like I literally write it all down S._A._T.. To visualize it feel like when you do that like you're so much more aware and that's that's the thing is now. I'm so aware with with and I think it's helping me make better choices now for sure. I'm learning about the choices for me Hito. I know that like if I I eat like Christian told me last night he's been doing egg fast thing with me yeah and he said mom did I break it. I had like five fries. I'm like yes. You're straight up car broke. It and he's like Oh shoot. What if I don't? I'm like here's the days slate back in your own Kito like you eat five. You are not in ketosis anymore and so it's like you're so aware sharing down the backside of five fries and you're like and then everything you ate that day that was kito now is right now. It's all just turned into carbs in Santa can't do that just got willpower man. No I just feel like for me. Kita works as a lifestyle change because I feel like first of all I love cheats and I get to eat like pounds and pounds of cheese so I I love all the things I get to eat economist the things I don't get to eat but I love all the things I get to eat and every time I stared down a car but I'm like. How many days is it GonNa take me right to get back into Ketosis so I'm not gonNA eat the five yeah it's not worth it and I feel like with you guys and in your points you're just like looking at like a shot of fireball? Maybe and say that's five points right. Is it really worth it. I'M GONNA do so put it in there and at this point yeah to do it. I mean it was worth it has to be we're right. It has to be worth it and have the leftover. You can't exactly you know when you're not on a diet. You're just like oh what's a piece of cake. What's a scoop of what are called scoop with a tablespoon of cake it adds up and so I feel like even the little things like the butter you cook with? No that doesn't matter for you with pita right so like baking basically like eat a slab or if I wanted to. It'd be good for me too. I love butter. I know so you know how I'm sorry. No Good so you know how Ellen Degeneres has like those she always has was funny. Pictures of you know like the beginning when she's opening up the show and she's like showing people's hair yeah yeah. She's done that several to know. Totally it's so funny. Oh do you have one well I do. I'll share it when we can. You guys style. Oh my God yeah it's holy but I have decided because I looked like a little beanie head. I have the smallest head like I literally put my head compared to everybody in the family you did like I put my head next everyone. Even I know this sounds so weird but like my head is so frigging small. I don't know why like if you were to put my head in Shampoo Bowl and you're like shampooing it with the handling he'd be like God. It's like a little little ball also ahead. I thought about that. No it's true though this little beanie head anyways so is my hair superfly Outta my head all the time. I look like I'm just like Greece down. I mean my here's clean but it's just it's so flat so I've decided to go back to the eighties ladies. I'm while as you know I taught cosmetology. I'm going to perm the top of my head just the top with big rollers okay. Can we yeah exactly. Exactly okay so he finish explaining I have to I have to just gonNA use the big like rollers round well that really stay and your hair like Seattle. Stay but I'll just give me more of like a lift in the roots and compared to just being flat. You think I should go for four yeah because I know so. That's what my thought is. If you know like sometimes when you damage the hair it will actually work better. I've already herlitz dry ride yeah but you know the next day your hair when his little dirty not like curled so much better thinking if I do that. I may have a little bit more volume but who I can do it yourself. I am yeah nausea help. Maybe can do my here. I've talked to now. I'm just thinking like right right in the crown area you. You be the Guinea pig on that totally will I bought it all like buttoned big rollers <hes> how fun made me think like we should all post a funny picture of us. We should I've ever my gosh worst picture dot okay. I'm I'm sure we'd have a good track but they might happy inboxes. I'll have to lie have a I was a girl of the eighties and literally this week. My hair in the eighties came up because I had to do head shots for Christian. Oh yeah those killer. I love this one. He looks like though handsome anyway I I was doing these headshots and I was sending him to my family. Like what do you guys think of this and my mom said his hurts does just like your hairstyle in the eighties so basically like Pompidou sort of and I had the almost mullet thing going up. Oh yeah that were posted to look like what were we thinking. You know cool yeah. Michael was to be Whitney Houston. I went and got like those tight. Curl perms try to be like that was like almost like a fro- I had a spiral perm forever remember. This never had a burn. I had a perm oh you did. Oh Yeah I had a perm. I had a perm remembering definitely need a post up. I'm trying to find it for sure I can picture it in my head so I know it exists but do you remember the bangs agreed user curling in Oh yeah and then the top part out no that's what I'm talking about Russia so it's all and then you put I heard on top literally who did not use Aquaman it right hold on to I I call them all being like my mall beings who are like I don't know like six inches high and the only way to get those babies to stay upright was awkward awkward and I remember I specifically remember my stylist showing me how to make my bangs really high. He's money. It's weird I Gosh I can't like you're going to take the blow dryer and you're gonNA pull it back in and push it forward and the way like okay. I've I've gotten a lot of steps down the wings on the side to wings yeah. I don't think I had the way I did. They were huge. Yeah Tokyu Wings whenever anyone says wings like that I think of that Tampon commercial no. It's a pad commercial. The way we taped on thing has wings. Oh my God I still like I feel like all regular size. Pads only have have wings. I go to the store. I cannot stand wings. Do you guys wear wing pads easily and I I but no I mean I have to all the time I mean a light day all the time. Oh Gosh up to I don't you know it's so hard for me to remember why hard. I know that like three hours at the D._M._V. Yesterday People Watch and it was in Hollywood so that people watch yeah so we had an appointment. The good thing is we'd and of course the having an appointment here in L._A.. Is like having a fast pass in like a door right you still on line. Oh Yeah so you you get to bypass everybody waiting in line to go right to the person and they look get all your documents and then you have to go and basically wait until they call your number you know whatever but <hes> we only had to wait really fifteen minutes. WHOA but three hours a process did you have an appointment <hes> but the process just took like at long time you had to go to all the different windows they ego to one window to show me documents and you've got to go to another window to do to do the application yet another window you know and it was just <hes> you know it's like you have to plan a day around the new and by the by the end you're so exhausted he known you know you know how you go? When you go to Hollywood boulevard with the where the stars are on the walk of fame and you see all the people out there and they're all like fun was right there? No it's right there but also the same you know it's just also like like it's just fun to People Watch at the D._N._B.. If people watching <hes> airport he no but it's yeah so that was what I did yesterday and it was exhausting and I'll have to do it again next week and and your office and it's just a high of a funny story about the D._N._B.. My funniest story about the was when I so I grew up in California. I grew up in Orange County. So I grew up here basically and I remember I got married. I moved up to Maine Hoover Washington and I thought I was moving to like you know little house on the prairie. I had no idea where it was really moving to and we went to the D._M._v. to get my license. A guy comes in in like overalls like he just came out of like little awesome very he came out and he came in with overall as he was missing an ear. He just the side of his face. I literally started crying and I turned generally. It's been married for all twenty minutes not really but like twenty days. Probably I turn earned him and I said where have you brought me crying in the D._M._v. because of a guy without an ear. It was so bad that I've lived in Vancouver Washington. I'm like where did that. Guy Come from like probably came out from the sticks sube like I don't know where he is like. Vince van grave the typical like person of Vancouver Washington. He just came out to scare me. He was the actress deliberately scare you oh man I._B._M.. Me Sorry so yeah John. Tom Jackson license just expired on his birthday. So now I have to figure out he crazy schedules how to go yeah and take the test because that's cutting passports for them. Yeah I didn't have to do that. Thank God I do Audu so we have to go back to the D._M._v.. Now you go to a passport office. That's probably passport agency Yeah No. It's pretty just as pretty much just as bad daniels still has his Washington driver's license because like I don't know he's kind of homeless right eh one but I got changed to what was that sound came out of my body. Where'd emerged from I have been like I don't know I feel like you guys are so different than me in the sense of like do you guys like binge watching shows I do but the problem is I don't have cable and they did yeah the? I don't have to APP thing that we have I don't I don't know what it is. We have to direct now or Youtube T._v.. Now and Hulu Hulu and Netflix okay so we have direct T._v.. Now and it literally lags into the mouth is like talking in his like from ten seconds ago and then it doesn't match up one of those crotty movies. Yes so annoyed better better yeah. I think I'll just cancel that direct T._v.. Now and just onto youtube I like the problem with me and binge-watching is like binge-watching his so next level for me so when I really get into a show like I was like yeah I know it's hard because then you feel so unproductive can you can get anything done like I. You guys have time you watch not really but but you're right though when he starts you when we start a show to binge watch we'll wake up going. Oh my Gosh Kim what to watch it. You know you wanNA watch her into the dark yeah but I've got to get like into okay. I like it a lot of the shows that you guys like you know the <hes>. What's the <hes> Barbara in one business amaze stranger things is awesome? I like all those starting ministry dude. I just saw I just saw an ad. Have you WanNa Yeah Oh good. Oh my gosh what is wrong with one in season two straight now okay and binge-watch those and you don't have any time to do that but find some time and but I I get sucked into like these reality shows and you guys don't do you know I lived a reality show and ever since then I can't reality shows on test. It's like a it's. It's like I just. I don't know I can't get an. Okay I I do watch bachelor and then I used to be in the Kardashians like I used to watch it all but since I've moved to California funny thing it's like you would think it'd be more into it because I'm not stuck inside. All the real housewives show I like danger. POMPA is is one of my favorite favorite and then <hes> but recently big brother is so that yeah no I've watched that one from season one like we love we always can't wait and then the most joined board with that one curious weather's autumn strangers have big brothers on right now in the quilting is it comes on three times. A week comes on like Tuesday. That's Asian maker week every game of thrones. Did anyone get into game. What's it about? I haven't Yeah I. I don't WanNa say anything because if I'm wrong. I'm going to hear about it but it's just a different era. You know it's <hes> I know but I don't know I can't. It doesn't look like something that I'd enjoy. Maybe if I started it. Is it like medieval state. It looks like it I like Lord of the Rings. I like like the crown or off the down the line away the movie. We have to go watch. I know it's coming up. We're GONNA get excited know how you guys got through Downton Abbey. I try. I try season I try. I remember the first time I started watching that episode because I had so many friends. Tell me to watch it. It was hard the first the first half was hard because what I realized is if you are paying attention to anything else like if your phone while you're watching it you won't you'll have to be you're going to be like okay. I can't decide what's going on the roads. You can have no line Downton Abbey at the beginning especially because because you're because introduced so many characters right kristen yeah. There's so many characters so you don't know who's who and what you know whose relationship to what is WHO and so if you're if you're looking at your phone and then you try to watch. You're going to be so confused. I forget did it. I can't I tried like I went out to the pop zone chairs here. You know what I'm talking to try to get away from it all and watch Downton Abbey. I was trying so hard. I think I'll watch it for my phone. You have to watch watching seriously. Seriously I agree with that. You had to be like on the catch and is known to it shout parenthood. Though did you guys that was probably my first real binge-watch show. I don't know how many times I cried legit like parenthood ugly to watch. We know it's a hobby. It's a happy tears like mostly says us. It's like this. Do you watch. I wouldn't watch these and I did not like this is us but I like parenthood. You don't like this. I mean I got tired. I don't know what it was about. This is us but I got tired of it very early on yes. That's how it was after it was like I watched the first season and then after that I don't even think I've finished the first season and then after that I just got tired I bit emotional for me like I feel like it was taken out of my life. You guys are disloyal to this is us well. I never was really loyal to it so it's one of my favorites like I look forward to the next season. You're like having over there the girls didn't you see younger John. I watched like a few years ago. Okay Josh Josh White Ryan watched it. We all watch this. WHO's the mom murals and my Gosh Laurel <unk> narrowly narrowly Sarah Grant Graham Sarah Graham Okay I met her? This is so funny and then another funny story. I'm in L._A._X.. This was probably like ten years ago and I sit down right next to her in l._A._X.. Oh yeah and I turned her. I remember faces forever urban. I never remember name so if you told me like her name get it like two thousand later so anyway sit down next to her and I turned to her and I'm like I'm sorry but you look so familiar to me. Have we met somewhere and she's like I am an actress. I'm like Oh. She said her name was it that way. No she was super sweet. She was super suit but she's like. I'm an actress. I'm on Gilmore Girls. I'm like Oh hi it. Was You guys right when we were on the airplane and you thought yeah was you when we were on their playing. Come back from Dallas. I think it was not what we saw who was adopted Ganger for sure of Melissa McCarthy passed. I said her name wrong. It's Laura Ingraham okay. Oh Yeah you saw and she's Super Swede. I met her. She was super sweet but I was so awkward I'm like do I know you Gosh Hi Rory in the in the show Alexis by Dell Um she's in another show that I was binge-watching handmaid's tale they tale. That's wow that is a you're. You're looking at US like we're dumb Reagan show watcher and then like lately and that was like a really heavy and intense hence show though how do you workout and how d yeah I know right. It's true that he stepped still have been studying for my real estate. Test might agent crisslow his long Asia Okay I. I am but I'm way behind. I get to take my test in two weeks. I'm legit or copy Arlington now. We'll see if we can get it right. Are you sure yeah go okay okay. We should leave we there. We go. We should label. Oh I know I need to get that thing right there. I should know we have these cute little buttons. They're colorful and everything and every time we push on it makes those took us. Only what six tries to get the cloudy yeah there might a so. I'm not a big deal. I'm excited <hes> excited to take the test. Let me know how it goes and then I'll be able to pass the cliff notes exactly did you into ever do that. I mean do they have. I don't feel like Oh damn league does yellow books and I never really notes why I never bought them. Did you guys don't you did buy them for sure in college. I think I did whenever yeah I wanted to reach four hundred dollars. Yeah Yeah ever actually read the book he just went to the cliff nurse so many book lavas choice to read and never read because I was like clip notes for sure I hated like in school. I love reading now. I don't know I mean I didn't get into reading. 'til later in life like in my thirties but during school I was just like I can't read this four hundred page book so I would always get the cliff note k all our teachers so as for reading I never really was a reader either. I enjoy enjoy it but I just. I don't know I think because I just never had time or whatever but the so it's funny because I've actually read one series of books. <hes> it's called what is it called the <hes> the so basically I had Isla uh she was born in like she's a little infant. <hes> and I would stay up all night long to read. That's how addicted I was and it was like kind of childish looks like that it was the twilight just going to say that because has the same thing the twilight series Oh my God oh my Gosh I feel like I'm such a teenager. <hes> I was working at the elementary school in the library at the time which was really cool. 'cause like Jack and Sydney would come in you know as so q. not the A._P._O.. Is just getting into school but all the teachers like all of us who talk about it and they bought like the movie passes like we weeks before we and he's like because they were so into the books to it was so crazy array series like a whole bunch of midnight release and it was it was I mean I had mostly boys in my house and like win. The New Lord of the rings came out they would be camping out at the movie theaters and gotten a lowering Lord Lord of the Ring Really Oh what about what's the one you know not Harry Potter the did you read those tone of the book with the Oh my God what is it called the thing with the gray. What's it called the Great McRae L. Shape? What's it called fifty shades of Grey that just tells you never got into that? I watched a movie about older women who read the book together and how it. I'd like their whole life yeah. Oh my gosh flight somewhere. Did you see on the boys. It's their favorite T._v.. Show at Sydney's to why Jonah Blink on everything says my age the Oh my God it's based out of screening. Why am I L. dollars off any yes where we're from and I can't even think of it anyways? The one woman was like reading the book of fifty shades of grey part of the show you know and like she was kind of of having shoes and like she was like listening to the audio of fifty shades of grey and like they're like there she goes again. Oh my gosh listening today. Okay so one of the things we want to do with this podcast is we want to like engage with you people so we are going to try to fit in as often as possible at like Q._N._a.'s segment and so we just literally tweeted out like five minutes ago Shudo some questions and we put it on our I mean media twitter account so if you're not following follow us on twitter go twelve questions social question we got caught in so we'll have some for the future we can save because there was really good questions coming again but one of them like no I would say one hundred of them. Were like what are you all doing. So why do I always go to have you do it. It's Alice so maybe on trying to go all old Texan. What all the stereotypes of what people think typical of Texas a few months time right? It's all bigger in Texas isn't everything sugar into everything yes big cars big big houses big hair and we think plans. Yes we really do and one of the questions we keep getting asks asks getting out of Texas thing is what are you doing and so honestly like we haven't even launched. This podcast asked yet and we're recording our second to share what we're doing. We're doing a podcast. You've always wanted to do that right. Yes we just labeled it creek or crick clapping clopping. We have these buttons that you guys are going to hear a lot of because we love. We love our button. So what else are we doing. So what else are we doing at. You just totally threw me off. What are we talking about the EH? Oh Yeah we're doing but we're doing a podcast and so that's just the start of what we WANNA. Do like. We have this brand now. We want it to become a brand. I guess I mean media and we're starting with this podcast. Someone asked us if we're GONNA GONNA do tours. It's I mean why not live right our socials. I mean me yeah so someone asks at Inchon here and here and here and can we get a tour for the moms and love to meet you all. I do know that a lot of podcasts do have tours. That'd be so fun I would love to do that. We actually went to one when we were in Dallas. We went live podcast and it was is really fun and we were saying to ourselves. This is like pre podcast recording all that we're like. We have to go on tour together so that would be so funny so fun and yes. We want that to be in our future so guys make sure you're listening because the more listeners better to meet us. Tell your mom's tell your aunts tell your second cousin right. Everyone everyone you know anyway so that's our plan. We're doing a podcast. That's how we're starting. <hes> it's called I mean why not obviously but we also like we want it to launch into other things like the tour that would be so fun to do meet and greets and do live podcasting all of that. Oh that'd be so fun. Live punk thing somebody ask me the question or us the question on twitter. Are you ever going to have internships right. Oh you definitely sounds amazing. I think that we can do that now that that'd be so fun it'd be great. Yes conventionally to get to that point out into the universe yes. We're going to have a company. We're going to have a business and we're GONNA have employees point to have fun. We're GONNA have the most podcast but the idea of like having in people to intern and having people to like almost mentor in life or whatever that's so fun right. I mean this this the teacher in us for mentors. That's what we do teach her in us but yeah we have plans to take this podcasting kind of run with it so big or go home building bringing out the Texan again. This is so easy I know I did you find a question might have I did. I have a question from its this chant <unk>. 'em Too and it's Chantey M. I forgot to say who my question is from but also at the end okay what's the best and worst part of your sons being in the music industry. <hes> that's a good one is is a good one. I think it's you know the best part I think I think we all feel this way. As we get to watch your your kid live is dream right as his and and everything he's been working hard for their been working hard for. They're actually getting to accomplish in you know for me that moment. I feel that moment every time I'm watching him onstage like I'm watching Darryl stays in awe he's careening. He's happy to sign. Oh my gosh just like all right stuff you knows worth and eating out and we're not there and we see videos that everyone shirt and you and you can see their faces and their smile little smirk Merck there and we can tell tell when when they're just like really legit having fun where if there's some you know if they are tired but like it's just it's just a dream to be able to watch sure kid like fulfil to this level so go says going to say so. What would the worst the worst me obviously is is? There's just so busy they their job takes them away so I don't think people realize how how like how much they're not at home. Yeah like obviously we we're very close with our boys and we talk to them pretty much every single day but just that they're they're only home for a short amount any no. They have their breaks where they're completely off but a lot of the times they're here and home. They're recording coordinator shooting video or they're you know writing a song and exact Daniel and I have this joke like all like over parent him in in like. I'll be like Daniel. You have to like <music>. I'm coming up with some random example like you have to eat all your dinner. Whatever I don't say that but whatever something like that and he'll be like oh mom? Are you making up for lost time because he left at like well I mean for me. It goes back to like when he was fifteen undoing American idol which is when Zach started don't you so it's like way back. You just feel like you missed out on so much of the years of parenting so I make up for it and say your dinner I go. That's sorry that that's definitely the hardest part and then so you know it's an and I always feel for Josh. I always think about him. Whenever we talk about this or anybody asks us this because you know he's he's our he's our oldest <hes> and <hes> you know he's our oldest in Josh was looking forward to that time Um you know and you'd be they become teenagers and he kind of helped helps helps him like become a man in like mo the Lono teach him things and so it was hard kids that part of me? He's still did obviously obviously there's still super close in and get to guide him through all of this you know but it sure is not having physically him physically homeless you guys home. Thankfully Josh has been able to be all the guys. Do you guys ever think about your son's in terms of the age they were when they left. You yeah like Daniel Seven so I have to remind myself. He's twenty especially now's x eighteen while I think that's where the parenting comes in. Maybe still because Jack. Always I'll text him all this stuff like checking into this this and this and hauled Dune like the all capital letter O K mom. You're being a mom you know like a main. Stop being a mom. It's like they they haven't had opportunities to do so much for themselves anymore anymore. Like on their own like figurine ah to write a lot of the little things that are that we do as far as like personal management. GotTa get your your license renewed or in your passport and things like that and it's different like I have two boys who went off to college and I don't text them all the time and say mom things to them like we chitchat and we'd like he they call and we talk about whatever's going on but I don't like parent them like I do Daniel sometimes and I think it's because like I still think of him sometimes like he's seventeen eighteen yeah very and I have to say Nana. He's like an adult. He would be like a junior in college if he went away to college exactly think in terms of like okay where he would be if he went away to college or something. Yeah sure. It's helpful so a lot of the questions questions to be able to do the Q._N._A.. Yes so did you have a good question. Did you pick one already. Did it between two the one wait NOG gotta look back at okay another percents tour. Oh Mom's going to oh that one became kind of the first like a blend with the first one but I have a good one that somebody asked me and I think we all have an answer. Yes what's the best and away ONA's say who asked the question Caroline know her her at is adoring avery Oh hey during with two GS eight years adorn so she asked what's the best and I'm just going to add and worse first thing about living in L._A.. Good question best worst is easy traffic. It is awful. I'm to drive two miles per hour window that we have today to even there. Sometimes it's still so much traffic <hes> the worst would probably the worst is traffic the best obviously the weather weather is an obvious answer unless you live on the marina yeah. It's been no. It's not as an are you kidding me all ear yes but overall. It's the best weather no it is beautiful. I guess it's like the perfect temperature but like it's been it could be a little chilly. Sometimes we because you moved away listen. I have seasonal depression like if it's grey out a the seasonal allergy season the weather U._b.. Gloomy yeah get off the couch. I'm just like oh who so. I bet that was fun living with him in Portland. Oh Yeah Actually Jeff how to do. I mean I have to have sun. I cannot go to a tanning bed just feel like he's been in for real because don't you need the sunshine but he would say would help like he literally got like subscribe like months I d I don't mean just the vitamin D but don't you dislike what's bright their ad when it's warm and bright yeah so it would almost like make you feel like you're laying in the sun and so he did that all the time in Brown because he literally hated the like gloomy dark yellow ready to move oh yeah I mean you to use like no cloudy rain or sunshine that was great right but remember humidity downs bag so we have that here which is known no Human Lewis for some good. What's some of the other best parts about living here being together gather that we have mountains which is like seriously seeking drive here you know associate with I would say I had pretty high pretty high? Expectations of restaurants fronts in L._A.. But I don't think you can beat some of the restaurants Portland you know it's funny is my sister. You Know Ashley. She moved down here as well from Portland and she said there's nothing no like Portland. Food like is just so much better now. It's so unique. It's so like there's all the different ethnicities represented there. They have food trucks with loud. I'd be like that here. <hes> I know I know and so when I got to L._A.. I was like well on the good food and there is good food. Here is something about like Texas Mexican food when we come back around PAPPASITO's up on us have those tortillas to allied show at pop really see great as as long. Hey bring us because I didn't order in the last time the Chiro yet all right. Let me to ours and to tease hooked us. Hook US up up. I can't even sit in. I'll have the fried ice cream ago Laurie. That's so good. I'm thinking we like food. I okay wait. Wait with our diet. How was the butter drip onto your fajitas? It was like a garlic whipped butter. Okay well dear seen how like Papa John's garlic not. I'm not saying it's literally like question like Oh my gosh no how excited we sound right are most like exciting passionate. Things undefined no way to get back to Dallas. I know the boys are going there tonio forever somewhere in the students at what we can fly into Dallas good. It's almost fifty minutes Pappasito's does he does like everywhere I look I don't know how long drive to San Antonio three hours. You know what else we go to Dallas what we should go to the Louis Vuitton store and I should find this purse. Yes you brought to me because it fits everything in it my laptops in it in my planner. All my tens planners three purses okay so it didn't we talked about the planner last time right. Oh our planners yeah I know but just bring Oh yeah oh yeah I had to say it. Yeah Melissa ordered a she does. She's like mom. I just earn some money and I'm going to buy the Guy Susan Hey guess what she's like okay so I know you've been talking to my mom at this planner and she's talking about it so much and I know how much you love. It and I just want to tell you that I just ordered one. She'll be so happy for you heard for the record carries C._B.. Does not get it. Oh and then carry C._B.. Tex the other day okay what time we meeting like where I looked on my iphone calendar and it was right there because I have a planner to it's an iphone. It's smarter planner. Hey Jeddah ask us. My smartphone got straight as in school real smart. I just doesn't do anything for me to put it in my phone. We're GONNA talk about changing changing the subject we can literally go on and on I anyway it's segment que. Did we get any other good question by the way did we cover the best and worst of L._A.. Do you think we covered that well enough. I think so. I think you know I do like someone brought up already but I feel like part of the best of L._A.. Is that we're all together. I mean including our boys including you know everyone's altogether here waiting for Corbin's family to combat. Apparently they're coming this week. Yeah I can't wait which is so cool. They're just fun to be together. I am going to be sad if this house actually goes through and what I have to leave the Marina. I'll be excited to be with you. Of course I do. I'm eating me honestly. I don't take advantage of all the amenities like I did. I know I know you do. Hey Daryn does every day. I think he's GonNa be weeping in the room like a little baby so you guys we live like a mile from the beach so we can walk to the beach. If we want and I mean it's beautiful we're on the Marina Blah Blah Blah and I told myself when we moved in I said if a year or two you down the road I have to move away from the Marina. I am not going to regret that I didn't take advantage of the beach and all as totally take him. I and I go for walks like we're getting. We're getting bad about it but we used to go for walks like probably three times a week and we do you guys have been on that. Walk the walk and we used to do it like two three times a week and I love it and I feel like we get to see the beach. We get to see like kind of the beautiful parts of living here.
Pop-Up Podcast in Topanga Canyon - Self Care Series - Aromatherapy
"Well hello world. This is maureen from quarantine command at you. Live with the pop up. Podcast here into panga canyon listening to a little bit of joni. Mitchell ladies of the canyon and surrounded by beautiful life forest great she great energy in the world and love and all the good words so today i'm inclined to carry on again with the healthcare series and it's a tad wendy appeared to so i'll try to go down wind So it doesn't interrupt our audio here. And i'm surrounded by beautiful as sage and flowers and greater role must so i'm moving into The aromatherapy if you will and just incorporating little baby steps not making it a big deal again sometimes. People oftentimes think that they need to get some Huge scenario together with regard to planning and scheming for a self care series which you can do it right here right now where your feet are. And it's a good idea again to i'm going with the natural organic aromatherapy here surrounded by just a gorgeous view so it's with our senses to this is great self care to give yourself the present moment of breath we've been incorporating the breath play. I call it and so with that Breath play today. You can incorporate the doesn't have to go on and on for a long time but to be aware of you very breath breathe in and out and feel your body with the light. The love the sunshine which i'm standing in now on this glorious day and two panga canyon got the joni mitchell of the canyon which i recommend and i'll incorporate that into my blog and on my website and so let's see here. What is a good idea if you can't get outdoors into the beautiful. I've got sage going on here into panga canyon and i'm walking during the grounding as well and the earth thing Again i have another episode on earth grounding which is important to to tap into the Again the beautiful energy of the earth the very earth itself. And so if you can again get outside for that therapy for the self care. See a few cam you know. Maybe grab i've got my corduroy back. Pack i got my quarter i backpack and and that means i'm out and about with the pop up podcast so get a little backpack if you can and just hit on outdoors to the beautiful nature. Something really healing about nature and it brings to mind all that organic essence of peace and love enjoying all the beautiful energy no matter what's going on in the world and so then. Our hearts are filled with those great words of gratitude forgiveness and and to truly breathe that in with we're incorporating now the breath clay and today again. Let's just stay with your own regular rhythm with the breath play in this moment to breathe in and out just your own regular rhythm keeping it simple and if you can a nice walk get outdoors I've got the sage going on here. The organic sage. And sometimes there's rosemary here in between and you can There's kind of thing going on if you find rosemary or lavender when you touch those leaves and be careful obviously With nature to in terms of knowing what your plans are knowing where to venture. and we're not too in terms of nature and going off. I'm not going on some wild pathum. Actually i have a beautiful three sixty degree view here and the mountains and the ocean is not too far away. So that's part of the therapy to that fresh ocean air if you can get to. And i'll do another series to incorporating all the senses with the ocean. That's that's great for the keeping it simple but it allowing you know senses of nature and the pine trees if you're near those or fresh air breathing that in really going to that place of what am i smelling. I've got sage here in gorgeous aromas and coupled with its intermingling with the salt air from the ocean and so there's that sunshine to beating down beautifully on the green green foliage here and we've got great trees going on and so different kinds of trees but it's also again knowing ooh their siege and something about sage is very healing to. And if you don't have the wherewithal to get to that perhaps you can get the aromatherapy there you don't necessarily have to get out. I know where a lot of us in quarantine. Perhaps you are not close to a place where you can go outdoors and walk around. But they do have Sage you can either buy fresh sage at the grocery store order it or they have aromatherapy. You can actually spray sage. And it's good for releasing all negatively all hostility or taxes and to stay with two non-self be true with that beautiful life that ci that energy and keep Being a walking meditation. And now we're incorporating again. We're incorporating the aroma and so i invite you to fine. Whatever it is that you've got nearby. I have here again. The just sage is a good one vendor the rosemary and then the different plans. Maybe you've got a rose garden. Maybe you've got Different things that you can have meant and just find what it is and each one. has individual Like again the rosemary and the Also the lavender is a great for just relaxing and to de stress and to Just go to the place of peace and slow it down easy. Does it naturally organically and breathing and again this is not mumbo jumbo whoo. It's there's a science behind everything. I put out here in terms of even the grounding and the walking and the line stein was into the great walks and the cycling as well and and it's important to incorporate this into our self care series so as i'm walking here to looking at the various plants and it's nice to get to that moment to steady keeping it real simple the different kinds of plans the check take a look take a look around and do a three sixty go outdoors again to this place of nature and breathe it in. Keep your real real simple. I won't go on but you could incorporate while you're doing this with your senses saying okay. What am i seeing. Take a moment to be right here right now with your breath and debris that love and and to really surround yourself with that to block out this blocks out any any attacks from evil or taxes city and and negatively and you stay in the place of love. And that's what's empowering this which real so we breathe it in. And that's what i'm sending out on a global scale here in quarantine and always being in and i'm looking up at this beautiful day this beautiful sunshine and so if you can say what am i hearing and again go to the place of your senses incorporating what you're what do you smell what what plan sir around and and maybe mint is a good one too if you can get with some nice mint and peppermint tea to there's different ways of getting to this place of roma therapy if you can't get to the great outdoors and the natural organic essence to but you can even have a nice cup of temperament tea and find what what your favorite is and all this is about designing it for yourself. What again. Some people don't like peppermint and you know maybe it's a lavender t maybe it's You know there's so many cool tease out there too and so do some research and then we're again all about what we are here. The solution in the world rather than negatively destruction and all that. There's a lot of that out there in the world that we do know of the bullying and then nonsensical much ado about nothing and some of it is just really a again with its no no use and as the song goes ain't no use to sit and wonder why right but we again stay in the solution. Stay in the love. And so i invite you to now with this aromatherapy self-care series take a moment. Right here right now breathing and keep it simple without any negativity any texas city resentment and anger and then which you can also do is go to the place in. Its immediate to forgiveness. Doesn't have to be some long john out lengthy ordeal of plan. Or i'm not ready yet to do it right here right now. Boom and it's done in forgiveness and you can say those words while you're reading in the sage which is kinda cool. I've got real like wildflowers. Out here in wild plants and and sage and you can put that rep that with your fingers to with lavender sage rosemary. And take that with you and if you can take a few of the organic plants Back to you to your home and bring that indoors so bring the great outdoors indoors in that beautiful way and so again you can say okay. What am i seeing now. And i see these beautiful mountains and it's a beautiful clear day because we've had these rains here and the rain is very healing as well and the sunshine is so warm here and just warm my shoulders and as the john denver song goes just sunshine on my shoulders. Makes me happy oud. Beautiful hop just flew by think. I'll take a picture in a small video. Wow how gorgeous videotape this Just surrounding me. And that's the other thing. Look for the beautiful. Signs of the birds and the animals eight totem animals and The seagull to which brings that sense of peace and rising above all the negativity and has still and angst out there and sending out the loves ending of forgiveness and sending out gratitude for what is for this moment and for the joy to be able to say. Okay good right here right now. Breathing and then keep your eyes along the skyline. I happen to be very lucky. Got this gorgeous. Skyline here three sixty in the mountains and overlooking the ocean. And i've got the sun the sky the the pathway to walk upon the earth this softer as the indian says. And i think. I'll incorporate again this a beautiful indian prayer native american prayer here. I've been Incorporating those into my last few previous episodes and again right here right now. what's going on. What are we seeing. Breathe it in the beauty all around. It's a beautiful day as the you chew. My best friend in new york city just sent me the beautiful. U2 song about a beautiful day. And i love that So i'm incorporating that too and our irishness you to song and so we can. It becomes a matter of being present right now with the optimism and the love and i saw a sign on the way up to about optimism and love and shining the light. And it's all indivi- order in a beautiful way and so i'm seeing ren- beautiful green plants and beautiful blue blue blue skies just gorgeous and again was listening to joni mitchell. Ladies of the canyon. How cool and so. I'm in this beautiful canyon. This this panga canyon and at one point lived in laurel canyon too which is another cool canyon. We got some cool places here in california. And so you wherever you are you can even if you can't get out to take a peek outside and just see what you do see and even if it snow on the window to take a moment to remember the kid in you to with the snow on the window and and breathe in all the good energy in the world and maybe see if you can find a nice cup of tea with some aromatherapy something nice age or something whatever Suit your fancy and then it becomes listening to. What are we seeing. What are we smelling and right now again is so important. I'm embracing this this sage gorgeous energy this lifeforce this Moment of of just moment to moment as i walk moment to moment of joy joy in peace and try to find that smile within if you can if you can't smile without and then bring that up and smile outwards into nature into the world and send it out as i do now here in quarantine sending it out on a global scale and and As i say to all you listeners to around the world i see you baby and i see you and i send out the love the light and all the beautiful energy that ci the life force here in the quantum field and always and so Then even now you can say again with your senses. You're walking as you're walking if you're taking that nice walk with the grounding and the earth thing and you feel so inclined to take your shoes off to actually touch the earth. It becomes a matter of that tactile essence to your senses. What are you touching. And if that's not a safety. I i always say safe wherever you are and you know. We don't go off again traipsing through the forest. Or what have you you know on our own and through fields have gosh knows what and and let's remember. The silliness factor. Never take ourselves too seriously. Ever let anyone steal your light your joy your piece stay there send it out right now saying that the love i look at the beautiful horizon and look at the world and again what are we seeing. What are we feeling. So you can touch. Maybe the rosemary the sage whatever. It is or the cup of hot tea. Yes what are you listening to. What are you surrounding yourself with. And then perhaps what. Do i have a nice beautiful bottle of water here and again i choose the mountain valley today but i have all. I'm now in the market for testing all kinds of cool waters to again water. I have an a podcast episode on water the importance of water. So give ourselves that. And then i packed up some dried apricots and Almonds which are great so fruit and nuts trail mix and i. It's just a gorgeous glorious day here in southern california. And so i send out the love and the light and is again part of that part and parcel love being Here right now part of the self care series to take this moment to enjoy the aroma where you are and if it's not open a window perhaps if you can't get out and find again what is suitable suitable for your own Essence and some people. Don't like sage again. There's so many different cool things out there and there's Whether you choose to go with candles or cute little baby lizard came by. They bring good luck to came to say hi to be aware of things moment to moment to moment. So what i'll do again is closed with the native american prayer. I'm going to carry on with my walk and my little picnic and breathing all the love and the great energy and remember again. It's all about incorporating. What are you breathing in. What were you saying to you so you can do it right now. It's not some forever journey and i- forgiveness is a big one gratitude. What words and it's underneath all of it that crate foundation of love that unshakeable love so with that said. This is maureen from quarantine. Pop up podcast here into panga canyon walking through walking the softer since they say with my blue corduroy backpack and thank you ocean levin it and i got my little picnic and so keep shining the light no matter what no matter who no matter when but to move forward as part of the solution in the world and to keep shining the light and not engage with the abusive negative nonsensical go nowhere because it goes nowhere. Negativity is an understatement. So with that said again. I'll i'll address the the native american prayer which is just glorious. So this is maureen from quarantine shine in the light. I thank you for listening and boys a glorious day here creator. Open our hearts to peace in healing between all people creator. Open our hearts to provide and protect for all children of the earth creator. Open our hearts to respect for the earth and all the gifts of the earth creator open our hearts to end exclusion violence and fear among all. Thank you for the gifts of this day and every day and that's the make ma prayer
5/17/21: 1,000 residents evacuated in Topanga Canyon and more news
"This is the l. a. Times brought to you by audible. It's monday may seventeenth. Here's today's news. We could see a little rain this morning. Otherwise it will be partly cloudy and cool with a high of seventy and a low tonight of sixty our top story. A brush fire threatened homes into panga kenyon and forced about one thousand residents to evacuate over the weekend. Authorities said the palisades fire was burning through old growth chaparrals that hadn't burned in more than fifty years. The vegetation was very dry due to a lack of recent rainfall as well as to longer term drought california's fire season has been starting earlier each year. Due to warmer temperatures and longer periods of drought separated by briefer more intense bouts of precipitation in other news on saturday. Thousands of protesters gathered in westwood to demonstrate support for palestinians amid violence that has claimed his spiraling casualty toll in gaza. A handful of pro israel protesters also gathered with police officers. Keeping groups separated. The protests started outside the federal building on wilshire boulevard and lead to some traffic congestion. According to the lapd injuries were reported and no arrests were made in gaza city yesterday palestinian medics said israel air strikes killed at least forty two people and flattened three buildings israeli prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu signaled the fourth war with gaza's rulers would raise on in sports at kobe. Bryant is in the naismith memorial hall of fame. The former lakers superstar was posthumously. Inducted saturday with his widow. Vanessa giving the acceptance speech in connecticut in the speech. Vanessa said she wished her husband were there to accept the incredible award. Bryant died along with eight others including his daughter gianna in a helicopter crash in calabasas in january twenty twenty bryant who won five mba titles made eighteen all star appearances and scored more than thirty three thousand points during his illustrious twenty year career entered the hall of fame with a legendary class that included rivals. Tim duncan and kevin garnett in food news. The l. a. times has revealed its restaurant of the year is an ambitious and quietly radical finding project conceived during the pandemic. It's creator mean. Fun is the chef and owner of porridge and puffs a bedrock of the food industry. The framework at kite is a ten course tasting menu though the uplifting mood is as important as the meal fans. Food is inspired occasionally by her family's vietnamese recipes but shaped mostly by her own culinary narrative. Yes there is porridge but the real heart of the evening is the moment. When fan comes to the table and sets up a swordfish course for each guest and in entertainment news. la's storied hollywood bowl hosted. Its first public performance in eighteen months yesterday. The performance gustavo doodo mel and the los angeles philharmonic honored the four thousand frontline and essential workers who were in attendance. It was the first of five free shows for essential workers do mel and the orchestra were introduced by surprise special guest. Billy eilish the bulls regular season opener is set for july third for these stories and more visit l. A. times dot com.
Why so few women behind the camera?
"From the Mon broadcast center in KP C. See this is the frame, I'm John horn on today's show, why aren't more female cinematographers hired to shoot Hollywood movies. Then we hear from the creators of casual concert series. Where songwriters are challenged to write a new tune about a given subject on the spot. Where playing these weird funny? Sometimes amazing sometimes really terrible songs. I think what it does is. It takes you back to the really puree. And you wanted to be a musician song songwriter and cellist yo-yo Ma deconstructs a Bach piece that has become one of his signature performances. All that coming up on the frame. KPCC podcasts are supported by Warner Brothers pictures, presenting the emotionally authentic. A star is born directed by Bradley Cooper. Starring Cooper, lady Gaga and Sam Elliot for consideration. And all categories if he see see podcasts are supported by FOX searchlight, presenting the favourite nominated for three Screen Actors Guild awards for best actress Levin Coleman and supporting actresses, Emma stone and Rachel vice awards eligible in all categories. Welcome to the frame, I'm John horn. Thanks for joining us with this year's Oscar nominations about two weeks away. Let's look back on a milestone from last year ceremony. When Sandra Bullock, presented this award. Here. The four men in the one trail-blazing woman for nominated for achievement in cinematography. One woman was Rachel Morrison. The director of photography or DP for the movie mudbound, while Morrison didn't take home the Oscar she still made history. She was the first female DP to get a cinematography nomination in the ninety year history of the Academy Awards, but Morrison is still the exception to the all-male DP rule frame producer, Monica bushman has our report why did it take ninety years for women to get an Oscar nomination for cinematography part of the answer. Is that there just aren't that many women shooting the kinds of movies that get recognized at the Oscars of the two hundred and fifty top grossing films twenty eighteen only four percent had women DP's? That's from the latest celluloid ceiling report fan dago state university has been doing for twenty years now. And in that time, the numbers haven't changed the reason for that isn't so easy to answer. I've never understood why there aren't more females than with higher. I that's ritual Morrison the Oscar nominated cinematographer. Herself is industry is all about empathizing and channeling emotion into visuals. And like, it's everything that women do. Well, so I've never understood what was ever seen as a deficiency. And why it's become this complete inequity in terms of, you know, statistically speaking, and the inequity can become sort of self perpetuating. Here's how actor writer director Zoe Lister Jones puts it it is this like terrible catch twenty two where the pool is much smaller of women with a certain level of experience in departments where they're never given opportunities. So they can't get the experience when Mr. Jones directed her twenty seventeen movie bandaids she hired an all female crew. But it wasn't easy especially in departments like Cameron, grip and electric that thing. Those were the biggest challenges and also, you know, I think a lot of our crew had to step outside their comfort zones because so many people women would say, well, I've been working with this dude for like ten years. That's my dude. And I would have to say you have to kind of work with this person who might be a little greener, but it'll be kind of a mentoring exp. -perience that then she can get that opportunity on the next one another factor in getting those opportunities, whether you're in the union on a Friday evening in Hollywood. I went to an event called navigating the Union's organized by a nonprofit called women in media. Why are we here? And where are we talking about unions executive director, Tennessee kick things off? So we hear a lot about how the aren't women directors aren't women, and like all these positions are no women. Right. No. I see a few women in the audience, and you're all doing work right at the Indy level. The barrier to entry is getting into the studio projects you can't work on a studio project unless you're in a union cinematographer Kristen deal yellow was there to learn more about getting into local six hundred cinematographers union. She makes a living doing nonunion work mainly web videos for companies like BuzzFeed, but she wants to do more. She has context that could get her higher paying job opportunities. But if it's a union job, she can't take. I do want to help. That's why also it's more important to me to be in the position where I can take a good job or something that they set me up with which I can't right now. So so right now Kristen's trying to get into the union, but it's a complicated process. She has to prove she's worked one hundred days of nonunion work within a three year period to do that she submits proof of her work experience like pay stubs and letters from employers to an organization called contract services. The cinematographers I spoke with say, it's time consuming and frustrating. Here's Marianne Williams and Leonova, I think the most confusing thing is what kind of days count, and what kind of days don't count the answer is constantly dip, right. There's always little rules regulations that you're not aware of. And it's such a strict process getting in becomes almost impossible. And well being in the union can get you bigger gigs. It's expensive the one time initiation fee is fifteen thousand dollars and on top of that. There are cordially dues. The fees and rules apply to everyone. But when it comes to actually getting hired. It's not always a level playing field for women. Chris realized that after grad school on her first interview for a job as a DP, it was a horror film and the director, and he said, he really liked my work, and he liked my real. But he wasn't sure about working with the woman because he already had a female production designer, and he didn't know about a female faith. He was comfortable that director ended up hiring a male classmate of Christians who she thinks was pretty much on her same level skill wise. And that was a really big wake up. Call for me that it wasn't just about my abilities. It was also about just who I am and certain things that you can't do anything about that. We're going to be a challenge. I think there's one thing reason that everything else stems from its systematic discrimination that cinematographer Alun caso who's worked on shows like six feet under the Americans somebody like me, white guy. Yeah. I had my challenges difficult for me to get into the union all that. But you know, now in hindsight looking back on when it like. For people of color and women. It's impossible hill for them to climb and I saw this. So I felt like I needed to say something case, oh said something in a pretty public forum last year when he accepted his lifetime achievement award from the American society of cinematographers meddling digging some doors for members of minority groups unin stone for good. Speech caso admitted that while he'd been talking about the need for diversity and inclusion he only recently recognized that he himself was hiring mostly white male crew members he pledged to change that and called on his colleagues to do the same. With a crew who looks like the real world. Not like an Ivy league fraternity. Use busiess me this. I know for sure is not as some game some meal directors have stepped up to Ryan Kugler had Rachel Morrison the Oscar nominated cinematographer we heard from earlier shoot fruitvale station, he brought her on for Black Panther to making her the first female DP of a superhero movie. I want to show people that can be done and and to come away with glowing recommendations for the future, not so much even for me. But just so that then other studios, go and hire female DP tissue. They're hundred and fifty million dollar movies. Maybe Morrison success with Black Panther will have a positive effect. The women I talked to who are still working their way up in their careers say they're committed to stain in the industry, whether the industry make space for them to move up remains to be seen for the frame. I'm Monica bushman coming up concert series about the songwriting process rather than the song itself. Keep CC podcast. Supported by. One brothers pictures presenting the emotionally authentic star is born directed by Bradley Cooper. Starring Cooper, lady Gaga and Sam Elliott AFI calls. The film a stellar achievement in its own universe and Owen Gleiberman variety calls it an emotional Knockin nominated for four sag awards, including outstanding performance by a cast best actor best actress and best supporting actor for consideration in all categories, including best picture and best director. Welcome back to the frame mom, John horn, most of the time when we see a concert, we really expect the songs to already be written rehearsed and arranged into set less, but what have you to live show around the songwriting process itself? Hi, good evening, everybody. So welcome to the Tanna comb and to Songkhla couple months ago. I moderated an event into panga. Kanye. Uncalled song club. It's an L A based performance in conversation series hosted by songwriters Nahra, George and aleni Mandel under the giant oak trees of the will Geer theatrical Tannock ten songwriters took a turn at the Mike to share songs. They just composed and some were finishing. There's minutes before taking the stage. The song writers were given just one requirement. Asong that sounds happy with Sadlier IX or a song that sounds or feel sad with happy. When I spoke with George and Elaine Mandel before the event Mandel began by telling me, how song club evolved. So I was teaching songwriting at two colleges and a prison, and I would tell friends of mine and mutual friends of ours. Oh, I gave the students. The craziest idea. Ha can't believe what I made them do. And every time I told the story to musician that's already working making records. They always always I could take a class like that. So I decided to start a club, and I invited a few people, and you know, once every couple of months, I'd give an assignment or are Alex gave a sinement one of the worst harvests most exciting, I write a political dance song. And then and then we'd get together and play them for each other. And talk about them is the idea to come out. Out of this process with something or to come out of it with a new way of working or thinking about songwriting. What is the end goal? I guess I feel like the end goal is to just exercise that creative muscle. And if you get it wrong, or if you hate it if you're in barest by it, or if it's amazing no matter what it's a worthwhile exercise. I think sometimes as a songwriter, you can get so precious about everything you do and to have a thing where it feels like club, and you're doing your best and you bring a song, and it may be doesn't even fit what the assignment was. It's like you still made it happen. And then hearing when everyone has the same assignment. And then you hear how many different ways that was interpreted. It's really really fun. Couple people were talking about like method of writing do you Stu on ruminate? Just let it rip. Spacing out. These. Look big go see with Mike Tyson and Tony mountain. It's been. Seen too many things can. It's just sort of funny and fun and everyone has a good time. It's one of the best ways to have a party. Because you know, we're eating we're having some wine, and then we're playing these weird funny. Sometimes amazing sometimes really terrible songs. Just having fun doing it in a way. I think what it does is. It takes you back to the really pure reason you wanted to be a musician songwriter, I think adding the audience might. I don't know if might actually make it even more fun because it's your kind of just like, okay, I'm walking out in my underpants. And that's hope this. Works discombobulated. Singer. Singing saying, I did think when I started doing it. I thought I feel like people would be really interested in seeing what this is like someone who isn't a musician here all the mistakes or the genius and all the different varieties. I think there's an assumption that younger less experienced musicians have a lot to learn from people who have been for a long time. But I just know from talking to veteran actors who are often cast against non-professional first timers that the veterans end up learning as much from the newbies as the other way around. Have you found that to be true as well? Lately, I invited Richard Moore who was a former student of mine. He's twenty one years old. And he listens to such different music than I listened to and right so differently than I do some writing. Lover. I don't think happened now. Very deepen some covers to fade touch my phone, and I found that cherries in spring. I feel like I definitely learn and get inspired by hearing what the younger people are doing because I've been doing what I do for so long. It's it's hard for me to break out and try something different and I invited Bella porter. An I saw her at this crossroads. She was a senior in high school this was two years ago. So she's I don't think she's legal yet to drink. And and she blew me away. I had such kind of like blind confidence when I was younger, and it's so exciting to see that in younger people, and how do you avoid the kind of open mic night issue, which is that. If you go to an open mic night with comedians who are trying to break it every comedian rooting for the other person to fail. So that they look better. How do you make sure that everybody is rooting for everybody to do? Great word is it how you cast it. I feel like it's such a supportive community and means are dark. Really? Really? But it's more collaborative in bands playing music together all the time. So I think you you. It's like it's ingrained in you to root for someone. I also feel like at the clubs that we've done privately everyone will say like oh years was so good. Yours was mine was the worst. No, no, no mine was yours was the best. We. Clue how. What about yourselves? I mean, you have challenged yourself to come up with something following the prompt. How much you worry about like what you have to do. And are you able to relax and just say I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. The chips are gonna fall wherever they're going gonna fall. I definitely think my song is very very cheesy. And I think that it could make me a lot of money someday. Especially on the wedding circuit. I'm going to slow it down. So it gets sadder. I think what I like best about writing for an assignment is that you can be totally free to make a fool yourself. And and you can say it was an assignment it was an exercise. I don't think that I'll necessarily put this song on a record. But if it's terrible, it might be more fun. I don't know if I really accomplished the assignment that I try really try my best foot forward. This is something. I just wrote. I finished it this morning. So I could get. Get a little rough around here. Should we say to our sons and our? Now that I'm doing the assignments I used to give them to students, and then just be like come on make it happen. Do it right now? I realize that while it's really hard. It's amazing to jump through hoops, very quickly. Like that songwriters often have a lot of difficulty explaining their creative process because sometimes it's something that they don't understand themselves and kind of the nature of this conversation is they have to talk a little bit about how they come up with lyric or melody is that part of the challenges well to understand your own creative process and share it with people. So that they understand how your creative mind works. I think that's one of the benefits of it is that when you're writing as self consciously as you have to because usually for me, I'm inspiration only. I don't try I wait until the inspiration hits. And then I right. So having to try and. Having to follow these parameters makes you think about in this meta cognitive way. How you work. What works how you make something better? If you don't like it when you know, you're finished all of those things. Was an assignment I'm I'm grateful to say that Alyssa felt license to use the word love although bitterly in the song. I don't know. I mean ladies in the same boat. She has two kids. But after having kids I found I needed to give myself assignments. So I could finish a song to a hammer. Everything looks like a nail. The muse does hit you occasionally. But when you've got to go grocery shopping, it really kind of gets shoved to the side. So it's drum. So I do give myself deadlines. If you own. You could try. Narin aleni, thanks show. Thank you. Thank you very much. During that segment you heard three singers who are not identified they were in order of appearance. Mike viola Beaman and Dan Wilson coming up yoyo Ma takes us inside his longstanding and deep connection to box cello suites. If you. KPCC podcasts are supported by. Fox searchlight pictures, presenting the favourite nominated for a leading fourteen critics choice awards including lead. Actress Olympia Coleman supporting actresses, Emma stone in Rachel vice acting on samba original screenplay editing production design costume, design cinematography, director, Yorgos length MOS and best picture of the year awards eligible in all categories. Southern California the home of Hollywood dodgers Disneyland sometimes it feels like paradise. But any second now that could change because big earthquake is coming. This will happen. There's no likelihood of not happening. We are not stopping techniques when the earthquake hits our world will be shaken what can you do to prepare? I'm Jacob Margolis host of KPCC's new podcast the big one your survival guide. Listen an apple podcasts. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn. And now an episode from song exploiter, that's the podcast hosted by our friend reshi case here way in which he sits down with musicians and has them deconstruct one of their songs Risha usually chats with artists from wide range of pop music styles. But in this episode, he sits down with yo yo Ma perhaps the most famous cellist in the world yoyo Ma was born in Paris in nineteen fifty five he moved. With his family to United States when he was seven years old and performed for president Kennedy that year, your mom played at Carnegie Hall for the first time when he was just sixteen and he's one eighteen Grammy's and has been awarded the presidential medal of freedom for this special episode of song explorer yoyo Ma breaks down a signature piece from his repertory. It's one of the most famous compositions written for the cello. The prelude from Johann Sebastian Bach cello, suite number one in g major yoyo Ma I recorded the Bach cello suites in nineteen Eighty-three. Then again in nineteen ninety eight now at age sixty two he's recorded them for what he says may be the last time for an album called six Aleutians Bach cello suites, the beloved cello spoke with Richie case here way about what has changed in his approach to this piece of music. My name's yoyo Ma. Really came into my life. When I was four years old. It was literally the first piece of music. I learnt I think I've performed the prelude hundred times may be more and fifty eight years later, I'm still learning from. Traduced this piece of music to my father. He loved he was in Paris during the second World War, and they had blackout nights, no lights and played violin. So during the day, he would learn the Bach sonatas partidos off violent by heart. And then at night because you can't do anything else. He played the music. So he started playing the cello and this music when you were four years old you must have had to play like quarter size cello. I sixteen size. Oh. Really cute. And I was so in Paris. There was no chair that was low enough. So my first lesson took place at the violent dealer's place, and I sat on three telephone books. The cute. So how does the four year old kids start play boss, which it sounds hard? If you actually think of the beginning of the sweet goes. These are open strings and put one finger down and then. Open street. That's a pattern that anybody can learn so that's day one out of forty two measures. So the next day you use two fingers, that's they to and so on and so forth. So it's actually quite simple. So ahead early start. And by the time recorded for the first time I'd already been playing them for twenty four years. I wanna play the first version that you recorded this in nineteen Eighty-three padded sound to you now. Very good cello playing the notes have very even you know, everything is just very measured. Very competent. Yeah. Good cellist. Feels like a backhanded compliment a little bit. Well, you know. Good playing, but I try to forensic musical analysis. Okay. When does this evidence say, what is this person know, what do they care about the person cares about having nice out this person likes to make things? Good. Good. But this music, it starts your magic nation going. Where's he taking us? And then I see well, there's the stop in the middle. Has that person thought about that great interruption? I'd say maybe some lemonade a little bit. But not something that is from center. It's basically, let's get this over with stop. No silence. No sounds let's go. But that pause. It's something totally violently unusual it screams out at saying something happened. Okay. I to play that same spot the moment where there's that break and your new recording in the Twenty-eight version. What does your friends analysis tell you about the person who's recorded that version, there's more tension to changing landscape? There's less emphasis on say, let's make a beautiful sound, and there's different kinds of texture greater fragility more attention to the bits of landscape. That's look at check that out. Like a great book that you read several times during your life. Each time you read it's the same book, you certainly get very very different material from the same story says, oh, I didn't see that. How did notice before? I'm not trying to prove anything other than this is the best. I can do I make mistakes, but I accept. I'm not perfect. The reason I want to record this perhaps for the last time is that I feel this is what I can contribute. This is the best I can do for the music that's written from my instrument. That was yo yo mall talking about the prelude from Bach's cello suites number one in g major you can hear a longer version of that session at song explorer dot net. And that's the frame for today. I'm John horn. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here tomorrow.
Part 2: John Hiatt and Jerry Douglas, plus The News (ACS May 25)
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Now wherever you listen to music. Good to see you guys lunacy. You is to see you brian. I always speak about john hiatt. But we'll brag a little bit Jerry douglas nominated for thirty two grammy awards. Winning fourteen of them has played over sixteen hundred albums. Recorded a sixty s deal with garth brooks aircraft and dolly. Parton was implying that paul simon elvis costello a lotta lotta range. Oh see ray charles fish. Wow it just keeps going and going so jon seven. My audience knows everything about use of. Talk that jerry for a second so How long so you you specialize in steel guitar and what. Well dobro is my main instrument. That's a slide guitar. Real precursor to to pedal steel or two lap steel or any of those. Mr dover was a company created by five czechoslovakia slovakian brothers in la in the twenty s in the late twenties because hawaiian music was all the craze. Um there's a little history lesson for you and if you've been in nashville your whole life feels like they won't let you leave. Looks that way to makes me tired. Here in that stuff but no i'm from northeastern ohio warren ohio and but i i ended up in nashville and around one thousand nine hundred eighty and started working with emmylou harris and Buck white and Some people like that and then fell into the session scheme. And that's what i've been playing on. That's how i got to play on. All those records are ever been at as a session. Musician has played so many sessions. Have you ever been just dead wrong about a song. Somebody handed you sheet of music. And you want this socks this. This is embarrassing. It's never gonna work. Been a big hit their their. You know what and it was a big hit. Well yeah probably. I mean i did. I do remember being in the studio with with a big artist. One one time and but they weren't there in the producer was there and i kept trying to play this song everywhere that can imagine and i said you guys really like this song. They said no. Not really i said why. Are we doing this. And we move to the next song. I'll really yeah you can't you can get by with it once in a while but it never came out so no. It was not a hit song. So john I mean i sort of witnessed the john hiatt transition. Because john was i learned about john. Hyde on k rock which sounds insane now but look i know. Hey rock out here in los angeles that i ended up going to work for that radio station for many years but the first time i ever heard john hiatt was on k rock because the dj's would just pick what they wanted to play and there was no real format other than you know what they were generally have a format but each dj was like his own shafts. They just come in and cook what they wanted to cook. And fresh and it was delicious. Yes and the last time that ever happened of a bygone allowed to do that now. Era yeah and so you would then defacto be exposed to a bunch of stuff that you just wouldn't have heard if they just had their suga. Corporate playlists gone. You remember those days. John i do fondly. I think i think i even saw john play out here for like maybe a k rock free concert. 'wow oh i think i did more than one atom. Yeah played a lot of free thinking out there. But yeah we're were you situated back then physical Lived up into panga canyon. Oh really yeah. Rented rented a place up. There rented a room in a it was actually a sort of a little Guest house small little bedroom. This guy Who had Five persians are living with him and he was I think it was some kind of teach our. They might have been english teacher. But had these lovely young persians Living guys and gals living with him and I at any. I knew one of the one that Run into a room from and and she said he's got a place open. And so so i lived there for the first. I guess two years. I was in la and then Moved down to culver city. Oh that's where. Brian is i. I remember seeing john play. Mccabe the guitar place Play an acoustic. Set it mccabe's and i'm trying to think i've said it on the show before there's an acapella band that opened for you that i have no idea what the baltimore's baltimore's yeah. What is going great. Yeah chris look around for whatever. The baltimore's are up to it. Was a from actually. I don't think. I don't think one of them was from baltimore but it is a great name. Yeah life guy. Missed the so. I've always followed john's career and then defender john. Hi point he moved away from what was kind of new wavy music into. You know what he's doing now. I don't feel like what you're doing now is different. I mean every albums different. But i feel like you got onto this in the mid early mid eighty s right and more like americana americana music. Yeah yeah well you know. I came to nashville. Where i live now. In one thousand nine hundred seventy one eighteen and Ostensibly to be a to be a songwriter and admit a guy. Who's a folk singer. Bob frank and He was memphis and he he lived here. He wrote for publishing company. They were paying them a little advance. Twenty five dollars a week to write songs. And i thought man. What can i get that game. So i came down here and with that model in minor wound up at the same publishing company riding sauce for trade publishing company. Really didn't they didn't know what country music was. Other than any hank. Williams and jimmie rogers. And i wasn't ride in country music. Got on a watch. It call it but singer-songwriter sort of just left oddball. Wave to center stuff and but That's how i got my start oddly. I lived in a rooming house. Just i've blocked down the sand street that this rca studio b. The famous rca studio b. Were we recorded. This record is and was even then. Although i didn't really know the history of mind so have you been I mean you've been. Gainfully employed is a singer songwriter artists. For i mean since you're eighteen or like yeah. Yeah fifty years yeah. It's really the it's the only oh we have something with the. Oh yeah. I got a note. I forgot for some reason. We were talking about The wreck of the barbie ferrari on this show a couple of weeks ago. Oh bless you which is a funny song. But i'll circle back to that. You pick the wrong amount of cylinders for the engine in the barbie ferrari you said it was a v twelve which is an. It's an honest mistake. As far as known for their v twelve but it wasn't in the bar before that was a three hundred eight and that was va. I can't really listen to the song anymore or research but but that's a good example of like a funny song like i don't know is how important is it to be sort of funny for lack of a better term in a in your songs you don't hear you know. Most people are brooding and serious. And i don't have a good sense of humor about themselves. I think it's for a shy person like me. I think it's critical really. Tell me about that. What do you mean well. It's i suppose it's something. I sort of adopted a youth as a means of survival. You know i was a fat kid. You had to be funny Fat kid or you wouldn't have any friends so i was sort of the comedian. Kinda got got me through so I used humor from a young age. And and i'm not intrinsically funny but i know what's funny. You're you're funding food. Yeah we're all leading to that but but in a way was like. Yeah i was gonna say. Is it a way for a shy kid in a way to sort of be a comedian but hide behind a guitar. Well sure. I'm certain of that. But i think humor is pretty important. I agree. I just wish there was a little more of it and songs i find. Find off around a lot more humor than like i don't know rock and roll and wrap you know what i mean like country ten itself towards a twist of a phrase or a punchline irony. Yeah well that's classic sort of southern tie a song. It was the same rhythm and blues. Came up about the south. You know there was always a little a little. You know accredit didn't go through. Those was kind of funny angle. I'm thinking about one of your have a lot of funny songs. But there's a really old john hiatt song maybe off your first or second album called. I think everyone cried the night. That kenny died. Yes andrew to store. It's a kid in our school. It's motorcycle run. Yeah larry the song. It's it's kind of a funny song. I can't wait to hear how now. John screwed up the on the motorcycle. Driving two hundred fifty one twenty-five five normally other than that other than the engine displacement which always fucks up in his songs So this is john during his sort of pop new wave earliest years his burgers in his desk anymore necktie through. Never wash this hair guy. This tocado leverage short you anymore but it says great line it was so touching all the girls that wouldn't touch him. You know what it's a. It's a true story in guy clark Famously said one time when somebody was saying boy. That's a good guy to go. Yeah you know you can't make that shit up. Yeah so it was a guy named kenny. Mr and mrs kennedy feel about that. I've you know. Yeah i didn't use last name and yeah it was like We're talking about the gatlin brothers were. Are we talking on the radio. Show to kenny rogers about this. The gallon brazil three of them. Yeah the guys that story. The gatling brothers right i. I've met very yeah. Yeah i know the guy record with gal. Oh what a shock how. What so in canada the county. It's it's funny and so in coward of the county kenny. Rogers talking about his the character's girlfriend becky being gang-raped in a bar and he says this wasn't funny. John would have made it funny but he said it was the gatlin brothers and there were three of them and i said there were three gatlin. Brothers why do you name them. The gatling broza look. I don't know. I toured without funding. We can we can find that one to max. Rat always makes me laugh. But i think he said the gathering brazil pissed rightfully. So i understand. Would you really could have picked any last name. Pick the gatling wilson and there were there. Were three of them. One was laughing. Did you play on this one. Jerry no visit day. The gallon boys slapped him when he walked to barroom one of them got to admit him. Halfway this is after the rape right shows is after all. I can go back straight. Refractory are salvatori. I for every and tommy is becky. We'll figure it out. It all had to be there. Sound one for everyone and his love. Is becky all right good for him and i put her arms. He didn't have to prove those men one day while he was working again. Bars came call in. How many of them were there. They turns becky. There was three of them. Train on just bats was the first turn out of there should be more humor. Can't he'll be missed. But not by the gatling. Yes i have kind of an odd question stab in the dark guessing here on both of you but john when i hear your music i for i acquainted with another favorite artist of mine john prying just in the sole fullness of it and you know in spite of ourselves you know eighty-four montgomery and all these wonderful songs did did either of you know him have a relationship with him at all. I knew him casually. Only but i was you know Of course love his work and he's a hero for sure. I think i met him the same day i met you on. That will the circle be early record. Yeah yeah and Yeah he's a really funny guy and had a drink called the handsome. Johnny was vodka and ginger ale. Ooh that sounds confer one of them he. He'd make you one right now here. Yeah jerry barely know him. He only played thirty one of his songs player. Some some parallels in my mind of the kind of music you play in the kind of music. I enjoyed from him so i was just curious. God blesses that's awful kind to be considered in that tall cotton so Want to get back kenny dying on his motorcycle so this guy is a guy who went to high school with really. Do you really died on a motorcycle. Yeah and you wrote the song little bit after that. Yeah when i was in my tournaments and i never finished high school. Oh you didn't know why not to devastated for kenny's dance. Yeah no it was just i just. I went through my freshman year. I was in a catholic high school and you had to have. There was a credits. Four per per semester and plus two additional credits for religion each semester. And i flunked religion so i decided not to go back to the i could. I could go to summer school. Get the religious credits or just go on to be a sophomore in a public school. So i chose that and you know it was just by the time i was sixteen. I just quit always know you wanted to do. Music was always the plan. Yes from tom's london. Thank goodness panda totally. I'm skilled are you guys able to tour and do shows these days. I mean i played some comedy shows in nashville. It's it's pretty open. Been there throughout the pandemic doing shows to sort of you know half capacity and stuff like that is their plan. We we have. We do have a plan to tour and it starts in august. So we're we're hoping that. And they're selling the shows that full capacity so and they're they're selling fast so i think people people want to hear music and we wanna play or do we ever and you know this has never happened before. We always figured we'd be the last ones go but we were the first to go. This time asked to come back. You come in anywhere around los angeles. of course we'll be out there. Okay good absolutely yeah. Yeah don't have ever listed in front of me. But i know we're in la some point in you're starting at starting the tour august. We'll definitely come out and come out and it was it belly up. Yeah well bell over in salona beach. I got the tour where yeah do. We're in san. Juan capistrano fabulous coach house. Were at the belly up for two nights slaughter beach. That's as close as we come down we can get has Here's a philosophical question. Yeah we'll come to you. We'll bring the mountain to mohammed okay. How much has this Shutdown made you appreciate playing May sound like a loaded question. What i'm saying this is everything becomes a job at a certain point. You get schedule your tour and you constantly travel and tour and the stuff that used to look forward to you. Don't look forward to as much because you're on kind of grind in an schedule and then everyone took a year off and essentially got rebooted. A did it and now you miss the thing that may be were taken for granted because it was the sort of monotony of the year. in year out touring. Do you feel like you're gonna come back and approach it with a little more. I dunno appreciation asking me. Yeah i feel definitely Super appreciative of of what i do and i like the way you framed it because you can get weary you know. From years. and years and years touring But you know it still the two hours you play. Every night is what counts and twas always thus and that's the thing i miss the most i think jerry would would agree with that when that when the pandemic hit. I was in a working in the studio here. But i just come back from california. Be being on the road plan and i was. I was burnt out. I really needed a break and this thing happened. And i felt kinda guilty for the first three months or so because i was feeling good about not being gone. Yeah not being tired but then it was like oh though. This is much bigger than that. So what's no-one knew it was going to happen It was it was definitely time to you know to face adversity with with with creativity. I think a lot of people took that approach in one way or another. We're talking about that earlier. Yeah john links something doing something you know. That's tack making something. Yeah yeah yeah john. Do you have like a writing schedule. Like they're people that write books that have a real strict schedule or wright jokes who have like a schedule and then they're people that just i wake up in the middle of the night. Jot shit down. And it's not good when i wake up the next day because i remember it but you just sort of walk around and wait for something to hitch here. Do you have like a schedule. The i the only real discipline that i that i've maintained. Is i pick up the guitar every day and play for minimum half hour more often. You know couple and if a songs are gonna come it comes out of that. It comes out a couple of cornerstone together. And then i'll start singing some melody and and if it's gonna stride then it's you just reached a point where it's time to tell a story or you sing some nonsense and something that's not nonsense pops out as you're singing scrambled eggs to dimension. What paul. Paul mccartney said yesterday was originally called scrambled eggs. You're singing things. Maybe maybe a an idea will come out. You'll actually singing intelligible line and as okay there's the story it's it's appeared in also. Let's so now then it's time to you know. Sit down right the ding. Dang thing had. Who's on first moment. Because when he said. Paul mccartney said yesterday really monitor low size. It was just here. Yes brian when you pick up that guitar and you're playing every day that discipline. How often is it working on a song. Developing a song versus. Let's just play and see what happens. It's more often. Just i just play. It's like a. I've been playing guitar since i was eleven. So just the act of putting it up against my body is like it's like a part of me you know i. I don't i haven't Expanded any on my knowledge i. It's it's still about to save four or five cords but somehow twist and turn around you. You come up with a song. While i'm going to start working on your set list from where when you're out here all right it would be. That would be good. We're looking for what i could. I need to hear dust down a country road. I think for sure. That's you know. I'm so glad you mentioned that song. That's that's a great one for us to do. I'll write that down. Thanks put your next door in this version of the live version. Can you not wanna shoot the dog one mile. When my wife was she was driving our youngest to school. Georgia was about i six seven and my wife would always listen to the first Test pressing of the cd in the car and let me know what she thought and it was that record. That song was playing and by the end of the she looked over and our youngest georgia was weeping uncontrollably and she said what's the matter honey said that is going to shoot the belong. What i need hear a little. That song is that song kind of written through what the eyes of the dog like. What the dog is seeing or experiencing caselli you. Might you might say the was living a parallel to this to this old guy reminding him of. Yeah never liked to excuse for along. Can play the mandolin jerry. I will time. We play this because i think someone's gonna have to pick up the mandolin on this. One was allow real on tangled in the sheets. House beeman End of the dodd. Ando that that'll table. I went to the malvo. Lash the story for us. The main labored at another couple of wall along the off stirred at the downtown. All right. i love that song so we don't have to shoot a dog but even that line is so great. It's he ain't much good for nothing but staring at the road like and he doesn't want to be reminded of seeing that as it's beautiful poetry burkey. Yeah did love. That saw all right. Hey jerry seriously about the mandolin. Yeah is that the ever play before. Is it just your show. But i never picked up was a mandolin right back. Yep yep we got this knocked aright. We'll be playing that one slot of each for all right. Well i will Of course make addition to play. But i'll give you. I'll give you a heads up so we might even try the night. Kenny died. Dude let's do under the obama. Love chris you ever it up anyway racing kind of bluegrass version. This is just the ticket we need more songs about cars and you ever find out what happened to the baltimore's released an album in twenty ten but there's not there's not much much else about them on the internet right now. Well we can't all be john hyde. Let me give you guys a plug website john. Hi dot com. Where you go and jerry. Douglas dot com. Where you go and you can find out a tour dates john. Hi dot com slash tore. So we'll come out and see a when you're nearby john kerry's do and the album leftover feelings. It's available now wherever you listen to music. John jerry thank you guys so much for joining. We'll see in person when you're when you're out here. Thank you thank you guys. All right let me give a little love to our friends. Over at apartments. Dot com apartments dot com. We've been doing everything from home these days exercising from home school from home. Wishing your anywhere else on the planet other than being at home from home with all the extra time. We've realized how important it is to make sure our place is the right place. 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The recent conflict between israel and gaza has generated a lot of backlash against american jews. Who found themselves the target of death threats and hate speech and violent physical acts. The anti-defamation league recorded an uptick a both verbal and physical attacks against jews in europe and the middle east and south asia north africa north america since tensions between israel and gaza hamas militants escalated earlier. This month i compiled this list. But then i found someone else who did the heavy lifting so reading them off. Here's a clip of meghan mccain. Going through a list of some of the recent Goings on episode of the view. In los angeles a grouper pro-palestine anti semite showed up to a sushi restaurant and said who was jewish here and then be cat began attacking people at that restaurant in new york city. As i mentioned on friday a jewish man wearing a kipah was beaten up in times square pipe. Bomb was set off in the jewish diamond district in italy. Hundreds of neo. Nazis marching and giving the hitler salute in toronto. A pro palestinian demonstrators lynched an elderly jewish man and a sexually assaulted jewish women in london. Pro palestinian demonstrators went down the street. And scream scream death to jews blank. Their mothers rape their daughters. This was all happening last week. And i would love if the energy that is being put on one crazy woman in congress and by the way if the republicans than the squad is the face of the democrats i would love. Democrats put that same type of energy onto what's happening on the left because quite frankly this is how people get red pelt so a lot going on in and i actually watched prager talk about this. I think it might have been on fox news but he said something to the effect of notice. That people aren't saying the death to israel they're saying death to jews and no please prime. It's like you say you know something like he acquainted saying like. It's not that i don't like italians. i just don't think italian should have their own country. That's kind of what people are saying about jewish. It's very very convoluted very complicated. We know that yeah. I like jews. Thanks go on at a distance report. I think if you're you know. I just sorta travel through life and i kinda go you know. It's kind of like. Who would you like your daughter to marry. You know this issue because They got a lot of good qualities. And i've always. I've never really understood any hatred of jews. i i am so brass tacks. It's like we're all in a big viking ship and some people are rowing and some people aren't rowing and My mom's in the galley leading your food while you're rowing and complaining about you not rowing hard enough and i've always just understood life that way right and i'm always been the jews are good rowers now and that's it well and that's the thing it's like you. Can you have any opinion on a two state. Solution are or not ghana's. I've plenty of opinions. I've been to israel. I hear ya i get it. But why are people using that as an excuse to take that out on americans. That are just kind of like having lunch at the i got. I think we've figured out there's a couple of things. Anyone is watched the news over the last year and a half is kind of realized that. Hey if you wanna bonk's someone on the head and the sidewalk really not that big a deal like it used to be something nice to get arrested or something you know. Yeah we're kind of referring ball in it now. You know what i mean like. Everyone's going come in and we learned that over the last several months year and several months that they go out and kind of do what you wanna do and and by the way bonker cop on the head like who cares like i was. I'm always amazed. Like i said there was that shooting with the cop and the young black girl who was stabbing the other black girl. I'm always amazed at but the dad or the guy was kicking one of the girls in the head while the cop was standing there. There was some skirmish with the palestinian guided. You and i don't know who was on what but the cops were like right there and the guy still came up like throw a punch to general breakdown of rule of law and the second decided when really fear cops and the second cops figured out that they're not going to be there anyway. What's in it for me. I i sit in this car versus get out there and have someone fill me do something despicable Kinda they're going to be a lot more that i think you're right and like when i read you that crazy d. m. the other day i've never gotten something that crazy before i've gotten some you know whatever but like i think like you said you'd is this something that you think has to do with the israeli gaza conflict. I was like. I guess it's just it's like everybody's is open on just letting you're letting off some steam this general kind of thing. Which is if. I believe that the jews and and vis-a-vis israel would love to be left alone and just fucking and get on with with their world. Well entries that surrounded. Israel is rich history of people that don't want to just get along and you can talk about borders and land and disputes and stuff like that but it is certain point you just gotta get you gotta get along and i just look at The jews is the jews. I look at them as i look at them as the Jehovah's witnesses interesting living in a neighborhood with marauding bikers in people are like you wanna stay with the jehovah's witness family and do all this stuff a you d agree with how they dress their daughter. Whatever and i go. No but i don't think they're the ones happen. The fence stealing the barbecues. I think they just kind of want to get along and have their life. And i feel like a lot of the neighbors. Aim down not down with that plan. So that's the way. I look at the neck of the woods because it would be. It would be an opportunity missed if he didn't play more of the view Meghan and joy got into it. Can i tell you know if whoopi goldberg had to do what megan mccain just thirty five seconds to do they would still be taping the show into the into the evening. She had to run off if she'd be like In flatbush rabbi could physically get through. No i you're right. She does get heated every once in a while. It's rare meghan enjoy got into it. They got in a little bit of a pissing contest about. Who's the one thing. that should agree on. Well yes and no about we. We're living in a weird world where conservatives are now on the side of israel and jews. Many jews who are progressive are not on the side of their land essentially which is something. That's going on weirdly. we've swapped. I have no idea. We did we limit the attacking of the jews further record allegation that well we did an interesting thing which is like the the right used to be all fbi and cia and the laughed was the one who don't believe these lives then. We got some period where the left was all cia and fbi and the rights. Don't believe these these liars and we kind of feel like we did that with israel to at some point. Yeah but anyway go ahead. I know yeah in this clip a lot to quote unquote unpack. So what they're arguing about is who speaks out more about antisemitism and here's how that bet little nugget went down. That's a hate crime. And i just wish we could bring that same energy towards hate crimes directed towards jewish people as we do with every other mind we break. We'll bring dislike for all. Hey i resent that. We just do that right mind. You sit which was that a lot of things. So we're even though we don't bring. I mean i've been talking about anti semitism on this show for twenty-five frigging years. Don't tell me what i'm supposed to be saying meghan. Okay you telling me to say. I know well aware we do separate things on the show joy a and i know you've been here twenty five years. I've been here for that's right. That's right should have respect for that. No nobody wants. Nobody wants anybody arguing. Nobody wants we would like everybody to stop comparing stuff or complaining. Stolman stuff whether you're on the left the right or in the centre wordsmith. Nobody wants things for them on people's a grievous out. Yeah never change. Because that's what people tune in for so they can bitch to management as much as possible. But i mean people love this. Yeah this is good now. Fine okay with the. i'm fine. Thank i feel they. Should i kind of they do this thing where they go like we'll make mccain's the voice of this but then i feel like the other four the voice of something that's not making mccain right and they should trade out one embiid another megan mccain in there so they can our it used to be what law elizabeth hasselbeck. Whoever the blonde is you know whoever wanted right right right. Yeah that'd be good. This is not calling it breaking but it did. Just come on my phone type. I was kind of interesting. Elliott page is radiating summer joy according to people magazine the oscar nominees. He's thirty four. Posted a shot of himself shirtless by pool on monday. Showing off his swim trunks and his avs check out at it. Now eliot wrote trans. Bb's i swim trunks. Hashtag trans joy. Hashtag trans beautiful. The shot is the first shirtless. One pages posted. Since having top surgery a procedure he previously revealed remaining pregnant so we can have a dad bod. Sergio works out pretty well. Look at those ripped absolutely a little too. well i was gonna say some say feeling ladies shaved. Yeah good for him. I mean looks great. Yeah what walking leg day once in a while. What do we do for what do for acting now as he rolls. I wonder if we're ever going to see him onscreen again or just not just pivots to advocacy instead of movies That's interesting. I feel like you have a lot going on. What are you thinking. I always get confused because at the he and the pronouns always get confused this should be how. Yeah now he looks good. And that's was allen. Page all right but not allen paid no too confusing to close. Okay okay so we're gonna movies Bryan this one's for you and you might have some extra info on it. I'm not sure. Kevin spacey is returning to the silver screen. The your favorite disgraced actor has been cast in an italian film called lomo che design your deal which translates to the man who drew god This species first acting gig since twenty seventeen with all the alleged sexual misconduct It's a low budget film. It's i think it's more of an indie film just to give you a little back story because we we always get confused about his accusations and allegations spacey parted ways with net flicks for house of cards in two thousand seventeen after at least twenty. Young men reported alleged sexual misconduct at the london theatre at the old vic between ninety. Five and two thousand thirteen then in two thousand eighteen spacey was charged with indecent assault stemming from an alleged incident with a teenager on untuckit island during the summer of two thousand sixteen. He pled not guilty but the charges were later. Dropped and the alleged victim in that case also withdrew his charges against him. Twenty kids between five ninety five in two thousand thirteen. That's five eighths of a kid a year. That's right it's almost nothing when you spread it. Seven eight amortize. Jetta look at it that way. I should be attorney absolutely right. Barely kit a year. You're yeah los angeles. We'll get into that by the way the los angeles district attorney's office ninety five and thirteen one point two kids or something over kid now. One point two seven five. Do you remember the massage therapist thing. Kind yes died so that lawsuit went away and then an anonymous man filed a lawsuit against spacey in new york last year alleging sexual abuse in the eighties when he was fourteen A judge ruled that he can't proceed anonymously in court. We talked about that. So one point one three five or something ask air. You'll know scary. What our has a calculator. Jerry's dad's accountant twenty guys eighteen years right. Yeah we'll we'll figure it out. Okay so you know. He's in a way. It's like i get it like. He's definitely lost his career but he's also of teflon one point one. What come on one play one. One one repeating. Oh okay all right. That's a little over a kid a year. It's almost no kids. That's one factor here right. What's what comes before one. He's a good actor. We need him back. I mean there's a pattern of creepy behavior sure that if nothing's been proven days court cetera et cetera and remember. He does those like creepy christmas videos every year and like one of them. He was being the character from house of cards. Use a weirdo doubt. The tell us doctor about your speaking of actors and allegations that seventies show starred. Danny masterson will stand trial for allegedly raping three women between two thousand one and two thousand three. A judge made the decision. Friday following three days of testimony from the women masterson has been charged with three counts of rape by force or fear which could land him up to forty five years in prison. He pleaded not guilty. He will remain free on three point. Three million dollars bail. And i think he has to give up his passport. during the here The hearing masterson lawyer. Thomas mazzeo by the way defended michael jackson. Bill cosby suggested that police prosecutors and witnesses were tainted by anti religious bias against the church of scientology masterson as a prominent scientologist and all three women are former scientologists. Never watched that show that much. Like a little out of my the middle seventy masterson. Chris i i never conditions the oldest right. Who's laughing now. Don what she said that seventy. That's but but they you know i was like i was around when they created that show and i just i always knew someone who worked there and stuff and it was just called that seventy show. 'cause they couldn't give it a title. It was supposed to be called like wasteland or something. Yeah they had a whole bunch but it's like a dog you get the dog and you go. We'll call him bows until we can come up with a good name and then two months later. It's bows it. Do you remember the short lived that eighty show they tried really co- been off Tuna do not recall in las slow. All right let's do one more all right. Well it's not my favorite closer but we have to talk about it. We gotta talk about benefactor for two point. Oh ben affleck and jennifer lopez are no longer hiding their renewed romance. They were photographed hanging out in miami. After benn arrived at the airport with a little duffel bag on saturday so we house guitar we have to we. Tmz we have to tmz the actor. It later surfaced at a waterfront mansion. Jaylo was at and ben was seen on the balcony for smoke facing out toward the cameras. Like uncovering clips from the man show or something like he probably just uber dare and then walked in and surf. The toilet anthony hall take are seed right rallies just drove. They're like human beings. They walked down a flight of stairs together in front of big smile and they've been hanging out in. La and big sky. Montana is the place to be. I keep hearing now about big sky. Montana i never heard of it before. Is that the new jackson hole. I guess i mean there's always. There's still huey lewis has his place there. I think she got a all the bookstore. There i think costner. I think had a big range. There always been kind of a. Let's escape. la. Yeah i think that i think now. More and more with l. a. become an la and covert and homeless. And i think people are skedaddle. Plastic once everyone got a smartphone. Any realize i can just do whatever i wanna do from wherever i am here. So reasonable living in belair taxes. So they were. They never were married. There were together right for a long time. And then uh love don't cost a thing video and then and then she was with a ride but there's a little overlap there with the a-rod yeah i think there were Do we call them love letters. Some correspondence when things got rocky with a no jump right back into it. Do you think. I can't believe i'm even asking this like i care. Everyone should live and be well as my grandmother would say give a shit but is is jennifer. Have what it takes to keep this guy sober building. That's what i'm saying is is. Is she going to be some use for his brighty or is it because someone like that. She's a she's a worldwide heavy hitter. She doesn't want to be embarrassed by somebody you know can't like keep it together at whatever she also doesn't feel like the kind of person you could crack a cold one with brunch and then have a judgment free environment to enjoy. I just feel like right if you ever put a car or beer or scott. I mean she's probably just drinking like himalayan water that has come from the tear. Ducts of a yakurr. Something right now and she's in some hyperbaric chambers thing and whatever right you probably wouldn't take to you go full king ralph right around that. That's what i'm saying around that house. She slept in sunday almost seven. Am with the fucking. Yes she's probably doing pilates at four forty five every morning right. You'd think so. Dry speaking of king ralph kisumu we just popped in my head. Do you guys remember she. Devil with roseanne. And merrill. Free and bruce willis ed begley junior bruce williams no he was in debt becomes differences roseanne just being Really love or something. Yeah and and the and her husband leaves her for meryl streep odd. Yeah just an odd pairing also nellis to a rule in the world. Yeah merrill may not have been nominated for this one. Oh come yeah goddamn. The log. Line is surprisingly resourceful housewife vows. Revenge on her husband when he begins an affair with a wealthy romance novelist. Was that being the junior. Yeah he was in anyway all right. Let's bring home queen ralph. I'm gina grad and. That's the news death to jews. That was the news with gene grad. We should all go out. And see john and jerry when they wanna come to town and Do a show that gives. That will go far away now. Where county salona beach. The belly up is san diego proper. Sandy the amtrak drops right off their no. Now we're talking. Yes and dawson when you're thinking about public transportation you think about Taking that flash that. That train always always. I let me tell you about Lifelock with the increase in remote workers cybercriminals have targeted small businesses with attacks on mobile devices. Important understand how cyber crime identity theft are affecting our lives everyday. Put our info at risk on the internet in an instant cybercriminals could harm your finances and your credit good thing. There's lifelock lifelock helps detect a wide range of identity. Threats like your social security number for sale on the dark web if they detect. Your information has potentially been compromised. They'll send you an alert in. You'll have access to a dedicated restoration. 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Muses EP 103: Laurel Canyon
"Tonight on a very special episode of rock and roll archaeology Ahmet Zappa does a promo. I'm feelin podcasts presents from Toronto Canada. News is and stuff with your hosts, John Kerry and link. The fountain network of. Loser. Culture. Technology. Rock n roll. So grab those dock stage passing. Let's get to the show. Great. Okay. Hello, everybody. And welcome to another episode. Yes of this podcast. But you're listening to. All about the muses. So how are you doing? I'm okay. April is starting off better than Martinez. I'll be completely honest March was very difficult for me. Yeah. For those listening who are in a cold climate to cold and grey climate. There's this little thing called seasonal affective disorder. Oh, yeah. There is sad. Actually, just watched the broad city episode. I don't know if you've seen it. But she gets a sad lamp, and she like keeps having to go to it to like reenergize, and then it starts to like not work, and she needs like more light more late. It was the most relatable episode. I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been it's been really difficult. But it's starting to get blue and sunny here not every day, unfortunately, but we've had a couple we can see that spring is coming just cluele slow. You wouldn't believe the amount of books and podcasts, I'm listening to to just change my mindset as well. So for the most part just having positively and like getting on the bus and looking the bus driver in the eye and be like, thank you or like walking down the street, and just, you know, sending blessings to everybody walking by me or just trying to like sprinkle magic dust on. I don't know anybody that's like working at a cafe or helping me out or anything. So I'm really trying to stay positive. But then like sometimes it just gets to a point where the gas tank just on empty, and there's nothing else left to do. What does that clay? Yeah. But we're we're slowly climbing out of it. Yeah. So we have a lot of really fun things to talk about one of them being that the newest member of the pantheon family. Yes. Guys. Miss P miss Pamela. Dip bar has a podcast. Yes. Miss pamelas pajama party. Yeah. What a great name and the cherry on top of all that is that she's on our network. We're keeping this whole thing in the family. She's got her first episode up her first guest is miss mercy. They got some great stories. She's a great. I guess I was laughing at loud on the bus listening to it. It's a great one. I can't wait to see who she puts on as guests on her show and what they get to talking about. Yeah. I mean, I there were some stories that I'd heard before. And then they were brand new stories. There's one point in the podcast when she says mercy that's private and then mercy's. Oh, sorry. Like needed never told anybody that. She's like. Well, I guess it's a matter fifty years ago. But like you you're learning new things. So it's really fantastic in that sense. So if you haven't checked it out ready, go check out. Pamelas pajama party. Also have some exciting news coming up for meet the music here. Yeah. Yeah. We are building a patriot. Yeah. So patriotic is a place that you can go. And if you loving what we're doing. And if you have been loving what we're doing and you want some more of it than you can go to our patriot. And you can get access to bonus episodes. There's going to be audio. There's going to be video we can send you stuff in the mail. We can Skype. We can do all these things, and it is going to be for whatever tier you decide to do. So it might be five dollars a month that might be graciously ten dollars a month or more. If you have more new are this like, you know, that you're abundant in you wanna give more than we'd love that. And remember that money is currency and currency is energy and anything that you put into us. It's going to come back to you tenfold. Exactly. I'm really excited for this. We've been working on some of the bonus material having so much. Fun doing it. That's certainly been a light in these dark ages of winter. So yeah, plaza gave us something a little bit new like a gave us a new take on what we have been doing. Because a lot of the times when we're presenting an episode to you we get right into it. We have a lot of stuff to cover. And so we're like, hey has going cool and we jump right in. Yeah. Whereas with these episodes, you get to learn more about us. Yeah. They're more fun laid back, but still very informative and interesting. Yeah, we good balance the ourselves little bit kind of relaxing and let loose and it's fun. Yeah. So I think you guys are really going to like that. It's not up yet. We will let you know when that happens. We wanna make sure that we're building it and that it's a quality thing, and it's ready to go. So we don't launch prematurely. And then you know, there are problems. So no for sure. Okay. So links does not know what I'm going to be presenting today. And I've kept it a secret just for funsies. So I'm gonna tell you why chose this topic. But I want to tell you the two topics that I didn't choose. Okay. So this episode was originally supposed to be about digit about dole Brigitte Bardot, and I even bought her book and everything, and I send links message, and we're going to do I'm going to we're going to do her. I'm going to do her. I'm going to present her episode in the future. But the reason why couldn't get to at this time around because she's kind of problematic. Yes. And we want to address her with. Thoughtfulness? Yeah. Essentially, that's it. Yeah. I wanna have all my bases covered. And if you know debate comes up about it afterwards, I wanna be fully and mentally prepared to deal with that needs to be a very well rounded episode, exactly. So and I haven't and I've been feeling the opposite of that. Like, I haven't been feeling well rounded for the last month I've been burning the candle at both at both wicks or both. However, you want to say it, and so I thought to myself. Okay. Well, why don't I just do something smaller keep it shorter? I was looking through myspace booklet spend the night together for some inspiration on all of the muses. And I was like, oh, well, you know, we haven't done Laurie lightning yet. And so I'm not doing her either. Because when okay. Yeah. Like, she's cool. I can't wait to present. Whoa. That's the thing. In like looking at me like we did that already. That's where my brain is right now. That's where my brain is right now, I wanna talk more about her. But I think it's maybe because like I want to interview her. Yes. And so before I even maybe went forwards and even start thinking like we've done that already. I was just like, I'm I'm not in the mindset to talk about thirteen year olds right now either. Like, I mentally can't handle this debate. Right. That's a heavier top. So let's shelve that. And so the reason why I'm presenting the topic that I am today is because it fills me with joy and it fills me with inspiration. And it's on my vision board, and it's not a person. But it's a place is laurel canyon. Yes. Yes today. I am presenting the story of laurel canyon. All right because it's a place that is amused. It's inspired many people has inspired many people. And so I have had this book laurel canyon the inside story of rock 'n Roll's, legendary neighborhood by Michael Walker for like ten years, and I've never read it. I have this book as well. And I read it like ten years ago. Yeah. So it's been a while. So we're gonna go through the story of laurel canyon, and my mostly just used this book on his Lee. And the thing is with like putting this episode off. I'm going to be completely honest with you guys again like you deserve it. We've been doing this for over a hundred episodes. I kept put I kept trying to start Jesuit. I couldn't do it a cab looking for other things I couldn't do it. So I honestly read this book and a couple of days. Yeah. It's a good one. And firing. I typed up the episode in another day. So here's the thing though. Is that I wanna be putting out quality episodes every time. I don't wanna make mistakes. I don't wanna get my facts wrong. However. And we know what happens when we rush. Right. We do we have to do corrections. We have to do these. So I just want to let everybody know that. I tried my best and I'm not a music historian. But I did read this book. I tried to get the facts right as much as possible. There's little things that you know, I got wrong. Go ahead. Let us know. Tweet us to us an Email, and I'll try my best to correct it. But essentially. Moving forwards. I'm going to be dedicating myself to this podcast. Totally a that's great. And you've dedicated yourself for one hundred associates. I mean, give yourself credit. Yeah. So I gave my resignation no longer going to be teaching. That's so excited. I'm finishing off three more months. It's going to be strong. I have a fantastic class and wonderful school. But it's not fair to have one foot in the classroom and one foot in podcasting. And so we're going to move forwards and a new adventure way. I'm not going to be sending the episode last minute to our sound engineer being leagues laureate. So sorry having such a hard time. You know, it's time guys. And maybe we'll talk more about that in like a patriot. Like, a more, you know, how it's been more personal thing. But let's get to the episode. Okay. All right. Let's go. So I've always wanted to go to laurel canyon. I've never been to California. I've never really been west you. You haven't either. No, not I- laurel Kenyans high on my list as well. Yeah. You know, we've talked about places that have been inspiring like Greenwich Village. But it was because we were talking about a certain person, and how that place influence them at the time, but never just the place in general. And so this place really like inspired a kind of movement movement as well. Yeah. One thing that you'll be interested to know is that Pamela, and Michael debar have hons of quotes in this book. So I'm wondering if they know the author if Mike Walker the debars him for sure, yeah. Are are buds. So yeah. This author's written a lot about popular culture. According to the about the author of the book, he still lives in laurel canyon. Nice. Yeah. One of the things that I found funny in this is an aside from the book is that one of my favorite current artists. Father John misty spent some time in laurel canyon. But he only ended up there because he thought he was going to panga canyon. So he has a song called. I went to the store one day, which is written about how he met Emma, his wife, and so he was buying coffee and cigarettes, firewood and bad wine when he met the love of his life is a beautiful. So I really like how it kept on inspiring as as, you know, not just a sick thing. Yeah. For sure fun. Fact, I found from an article in the citizen is that Jennifer Aniston used to work at the canyon store. Oh, yeah. I actually was thinking about doing. Just like the laurel canyon store as the music solve and like that's stupid. It was going to the whole the whole place where my mind was so David it's cough of the New York Times. Book review calls his book, a winding inviting portrait of bohemian quarter that played a prominent role in the foundation of rock music. Nice. It's like are women. No, absolutely. They played prominent role in the foundation of rock music. Absolutely. Yeah. The books fairly linear. So we kind of start off in nineteen sixty eight and to set the scene laurel canyon described as the slightly seedy camp lake neighborhood of serpentine one lane roads. Precipitous hills fragrant eucalyptus trees and softly crumbling crumbling. Bungalows we have lookout mountain in the heart of laurel canyon a house owned by Joni Mitchell where Crosby Stills Nash, I hang together a mile away at that time was cast Elliott better known as mama Cass of the mommas and. Apas not too far from one another. Yes. So as I mentioned, Josh Tillman father, John misty was certainly not the first one to write about this magical place. We also know that Graham Nash wrote our house about living in Jones cottage with her and Joanie wrote ladies of the canyon about this strange bohemian Netherland. Yes, it was a place where the right musicians. The right artists gathered at the right moment in music history. And some of these musicians were transplants Joni Mitchell's Canadian, right, and then other people would come to stop by Mickey Dolan's lived there of the monkeys the Beatles would stop by. We have that fabulous story about Marianne faithfull and Mick Jagger stopping by the Apas. So lot of people have stopped by hung out there over the years musicians who have lived there include Frank Zappa. And we talk about that a lot in a few episodes. Specifically, the Pauline butcher bird one because she was a secretary who lived there, but Jackson Browne Chris Hillman. Roger McGlynn Glenn fry Don Henley, Mickey Dolan's list goes on Jim Morrison. Well, this book says never said that he actually lived there. But maybe. Yeah. Okay. Because Miss B has great story about wandering in the canyon. Yeah. We across was that his home though, or was just like maybe it was pamelas made day bar. Yeah. Walker says the musicians flocking to the canyon at night, caterwauling coyotes and hooting AL's made you marvel that you were only five minutes from the noise and the neon of the sunset strip. Jackson Browne said that it was like a tribal life living there. It's exciting. Imagine being there in the sixties. Well, that's what I did. When I read this book, you know, I just really tried to picture myself there. Graham Nash felt as if he had reached nirvana he was in love with Joni Mitchell had this budding relationship with David and Stephen and they were living and breathing music. So yeah, like what time? It definitely attracted a certain kind of people and back, then it's my understanding that it had a reasonable rent prices every per back in the day at a reasonable price. With happening. So there is an incredible swath of popular culture, which is created in a very short time. And I really liked this, quote, he said that they're Sarran dippy was spun into gold. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a place a time when a handful of history's most willful and self absorbed. Young adults made such beautiful music together. In nineteen sixty four. So I guess I'm going back a little bit. Chris Hillman rented a house on Kirkwood drive. He would have no idea at the time. What an impact his music or his band would have on rock and roll history. And so the folk stars of the early sixties would become the new Rockstars, Mr. tambourine man was a hit that maybe got everything kinda rolling up on that mountain. Some might say, and then there would be that LA sound perfected by Crosby Stills. Nash eagles that would come later Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, and then they would dominate for the next decade. But Walker the author says that it all started in nineteen sixty five with the birds. So the book provides a great great back story. So for example, where Chris Hillman grew up and how he got there. And so because we're going to do the canyon like as an overall muse we're not going to go into quite specific details of every individual artist. But if you did want to know that and you wanted to get into the details of things go ahead and pick up the book I recommend. It was a good book was a great read. So Hellman was inspired by the Beatles. And this was at a time when the music industry was run by guys who were music guys, right? There is no corporate monsters. Yeah. Eating everything up. So it was an innocent time. Walker says it was the mecca. So it was in Los Angeles in the mid nineteen sixties that laurel canyon by unconscious lottery of the hip became the place where every heads up young musician just knew he had to live. Or or she we had some ladies. It was perfect for the musicians who wanted to live away for all from all of the hustle and bustle, but still be with their kind the like minded people. The rent was cheap yet helman's view stretch from downtown Los Angeles all the way to the Pacific. Wow. You picture that? Wow. Kim Fowley and early L A rock producer notch per Noor said everyone else in the folk rock community decided they move up there too because you could smoke dope and get laid and be an asshole with your Porsche, convertible, convertible out of the prying eyes of the man. All right, Kim. Yeah. John Phillips of the mamas. And Papas was the one to pen the lyric young girls are coming to the canyon. And boy did they so Pamela makes an appearance in the book within eleven pages. She's she's begun being quoted page eleven honestly, this is maybe where I read her name for the first time. Now that I think about it because I bought this book when I was in like early university before I had known about her. It's possible that I saw her name for the first time in this book. That's where that that just came back to me, and she's described as a seventeen year old proto groupie have we ever discussed that word before. No. I don't think we've ever heard it or set it before. No, proto groupie. She was the she was the group the first making model. Yeah. So yeah, that's new word. We haven't discussed which is kind of fun. So she would hedge hike to laurel canyon from Rosetta. And this we've told and she's told it it's an her book, but she used to call it God's golden backyard. And like you said excellent stories about Jim Morrison the back bend in the living room being governess to the kids and she would just find the addresses of Rockstars. And just go there this show up emotional roles where you could just do that. And be welcomed. Yeah. No. That's the thing ever almost welcoming back then too. Yeah. Michael do bar called it the yellow brick motherfucking road to Oz. Swear, he's such a word Smith. Yeah. And a lot of these artists ended up getting very famous and making a lot of money. It's interesting how in almost every kind of John Rao or decade there is that place. You know? In New York, like the punk movement has CBGB's Mexicans a city or you can go to Seattle for the grunge movement. You know, it's interesting. Yeah. And then this is like, well, we can say will this had the whiskey ago and like the rainbow, but it's I think what's really special is that it's like it's a neighborhood. Yeah. Homes houses. So I'm gonna read you little passage laurel canyon. Meanwhile, still in its idyllic phase as for the moment, the nascent peace and love aesthetic obscured. The mercantile distractions beginning to visit more and more of its inhabitants, the canyons rugged granite, walls and cool quiet night air sweetened with jasmine and acacia blossoms said that right only five minutes from the mammon of sunset strip provided a reassuring physical and psychological barrier for musicians steeped in the tally and eras e gala -tarian ISM of folk music and lately the back to the land ethos of the hip. 'these Hillman has an double memory of coming off the road in the winter most likely after the nineteen sixty six tour and supportive, turn turn turn and RIA climbing himself to the canyons rhythms. It was like January February and had just rained in LA. He recalls the cab stopped, and there was a eucalyptus tree down across the road. I literally had to climb over the tree with my bag to get down to the house. Wow. Yeah. So while it's beautiful idea. Like all these things there's a lot of fires in laurel canyons history as well. And hillman's house was one of the houses that burned down. And he goes into interesting detail, which is for music buffs about specific dates and about Hillman specifically like when he joined gram Parsons, the fine rito brothers. And if there's any young people listening who are like who are the flying burrito brothers. You should check them out truck of you should like go to your art school and be like, hey, guys wanna hear something cool. And then you'll be the coolest. So how'd y'all can't get his name? Well in nineteen ten in engineering speculator named Charles Spencer man, sold house lots half way at the canyon the steeply slopes. Land was thick and with shopper, all sycamore and California bay laurel adjustment. Like flour mix sense. Yeah. I love the name laurel. I think it's like a beautiful name except one time. I had this boy friend. And he started hanging around beautiful girl named Laura and I was like I think you like her and he was like, I don't like her. She's just my friend. And I was like, but I think you like her it was like, I don't like her. She's just my friend. Did he like her? We broke up. And then they started dating a week later. He liked her. He liked her. Of course, he would. She was beautiful and laurel in nineteen sixty eight the twenty eight year old Frank Zappa paid seven hundred dollars a month to live in a log cabin with a bowling alley underneath how much are you seven hundred dollars a month to live in that big log cabin. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We'll wait till you. Remember, what Gail says about it? We know people would crash there. They would play their Walker says, but in that brief moment the log cabin as it was known to every freak from Sherman oaks to Hollywood rages a rock and roll salon and denies and playground. Where groupies were gentrified into recording artists and talents. Is imposing Mick Jagger, and Jeff Beck, and as whimsical as Alice Cooper were stabled jam session fed and full lated while the undisputed master of the house reigned as freak daddy of the whole show. Yeah. It's hard to guess his tone because artists is in quotes. And then just being like, you know, groupies being gentrified fed inflated. That's interesting for share. It sounds like fun house to be in. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So it was huge cavernous. There are no locks on the door. Gail Zappa describes it as having the oldest eucalyptus tree in southern California. That overshadowed the property and also that it was insanity. Yeah. For sure there was never any parking. So people parked all the way up the canyons. But the cops didn't really seem to bother them there at that time anyways. There are a few pages of description of the GTO's and veto remember him. Yes. Also known as captain fuck and a lot of the same things that you can find miss piece book. There's a lot of overlap. Okay. Side note, there's a new book out that haven't read. But I've heard that it's almost exactly like miss piece book, but it's like fiction, and then there's reviews about it being late daisy. Yeah. And somebody picked it up for like a movie. Oh, yeah. But it's about like a female singer. I think okay. The details were technically musicians as well. Yeah. Oh, hell. Yeah. They were if you listen to miss B's first podcast. They play a lot of the GTO's music, but won't read the holy man. We should read it, and we should at you on it. We should and but it's being hailed as like this like new in like innovative and all these things and Pamela is just like hollow while she's still inspiring people. She's the greatest muse right Kalua. Where was I? Okay. So. Pamela, describes the kind of people that were hanging out there at the dime and talking about the freaks, and you know, that's like a good word positive. It was positive thing. Just groupie was a positive thing. So a freak with someone who put a lot of care and intention into their appearance. We need to do a photo shoot. Like, you said freak photo shoot photo shoot. Yeah. You know, lace and hair hair in clown makeup. Before the GTO's had that name. Do you? Remember what they were called? I don't the laurel canyon ballet company. Oh, yeah. That's right. They would wear diapers bids. Dress up like trees, and then you know, Frank them together. And he was like get you organized. Yeah. Let's make some music. And like, I said if you have never checked the music, do it. It's amazing. If they were playing music in two thousand nineteen people's heads would be exploding in a good way. So let's go back to Gail Zappa. She says laurel canyon has historically attracted musicians and people very highly involved in the arts. Yeah. For sure thinking we should stay there in laurel canyon. Yeah. And sorry was like I wonder if they have Airbnb, and they went I hope they don't have Airbnb must. They do. I found a place for ninety six dollars a night Canadian. Ooh. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We'll go apparently once Frank Zappa left his place air burden of the animals lived there. But the grounds ended up becoming seedier the drugs got harder. Things got louder and darker before the house eventually burned down nine hundred eighty one on Halloween night. Wow. Pamela, talks about how sad it was to lose that place and how she can still picture Frank up there. His striped shirt and flowered bell-bottoms with cigarette in his mouth. How fun would it have been to like got to hang out with Frank Zappa, though? Only in my dreams at this point. You know, apparently you couldn't time. Yeah. The subconscious mind doesn't know the difference between. Reality. Yeah. So I think if you just patriots it yourself there, then you're there. So the author gets into the culture of the nineteen sixties going back to like the modern revolt of the moderns revolt of the twenties comparing them both as rejections of Victorian past saying that the sixties where a slap in the face awakening, the slumbers of the fifties. And of course, rock music was the glue that bound this generation together again, like the Connectik circus in Chicago, the Fillmore New York in San Francisco and the whiskey gogo in LA, the musicians of this generation knew that they were in the right place at the right time. They were this book is really great for going on about how various members of various bands met, for example, the mamas and Papas like if you don't know how they got together. This book explains it, but since again, sober all conversation. We won't go into the Pacific details. But let's talk a little bit about mom casts. Let's. So her house was a neutral place which. You know in a place that many of the men like their egos were just kind of getting larger and larger and they were trying to sleep with women who were there whether they were fans or musician's themselves or like, Michelle Phillips or groupies. But because this is what he says anyways. Because mama Cass was like. A motherly figure the place was neutral ground. Okay. Interesting. So it wasn't a crash pad. Yeah. People couldn't just show up unannounced, but she always had food in the fridge and clay in case anybody wanted to drop in and people like David Crosby often did so she was respected as an artist and a singer. But also bringing people together she was one of those people who knew who needed to be introduced to whom and who would good sound amazing singing with amazing yet. There were of course, photographers at hung around. For example, Henry Dilts who did a lot of Eric burdens album covers so many of the count- encounters where serendipitous, but I'll tell you. But particularly star studded barbecue that mom cast had for air Clapton. She invited. David Crosby who invited Joni Mitchell and make Dolan's does of this. Where did we see this? Because this is exactly what I was going to say, I've definitely seen these photos. Okay. So I was going to mention that not only we seen photos. We've seen Mickey Dolan's is videotapes not tapes. But like he filmed some things, but the thing is is like in the background. There's like Joni Mitchell, and Eric Clapton and he's off to the side, filming flowers. Any and then leaders. You know, what I might even a hundred percent sure if it was him or if that was his Jewish in because we take in so much content. Honestly, it's hard to remember exactly what Jack. But I seem to recall like somebody had a video camera didn't think to capture the tingles jer. But it's like, oh, these flowers are so nice. But that was them just being in the moment to probably high and also. Hi, yes. Yes. So the next thing that I'm going to read is just a little bit about the passing of. Mum candlemas. Yeah. Her voice was so incredible. Yeah. Her death was devastating to those. She had nurtured in the LA rock scene in a canyon filled with footloose, emotionally dysfunctional young men and women she had fulfilled. Wittingly or not the role of indulgent matriarch, albeit a hip and acid tested one. Laurel canyon says burden was a place in the middle of this big city that people escaped to many of these people didn't really have families scenes of their own. They'd never had the experience of a family. I think people found in those early days the family that always wanted. Now, the bosomy mother who tended to them all wiscon-. Yeah. And then Nash says it's very interesting that she really didn't take care of her own relationships with the same kind of care. She took care of other people's relationships whenever things were not going, right? Or when they were we'd go over to cast his house. I was just drawn to this woman. She was a magnificent creature. Oh. Cast. Yeah. So Graham Nash says that it was because of her then he met his wife, and you know, how does kids. Wow, by nineteen sixty eight is becoming harder to embrace the sex love drugs and rock and roll lifestyle because of everything that was going on in the world. Yeah. Warned Vietnam assassination, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King junior and like full-on scale like riots things were starting to get darker. But I wanna remember Hillary canyon was and so we're just going to end the episode here the end and just getting. Will go on even though. So at this time laurel canyon seemed like it was a retreat. It was physical and spiritual place from the increasingly troublesome world LA was a hopeful place at the time celebrities were walking around everywhere. It seemed tain -able people could get a record deal. Even if it was only for one album, and it seemed doable. Yeah. So marijuana was really popular. And then LSD became really popular. People would take it make music go down to the store run into someone smoke a joint go to a club. The just followed their nose so to speak. Depending on who you ask. There are people in the book who called the artist's elitists saying that they were there were clicks. And that among all of the eucalyptus, you just had borne people with egos. They're. But on the other hand, you know, you had the bunk keys hanging out with turtles hanging out with the doors, and that's pretty cool. Doing here. A little bit about the day in the life or please a day in the life in laurel canyon, right? As these discomfiting social agendas, evolved. The canyon still offered the compelling daily pleasures of leafy surroundings unstructured lives and the new present fog of marijuana. Everybody would be in the living room with the stereo turned up full blast and wind bottle candle burning over the spool coffee table every now, and then someone would try to get the candle to drip, where it needed more wax. We'd pass around the joint someone would say. Oh, or somebody was it. They were hungry and we drive downtown where they made bagels, and you could go at five in the morning and get them. Hot Fowley sneers at the hindsight of beautiful sunsets. Lovely mornings with the secular smell of jasmine the meadows golden dreams, never ending. It's funny because I always picture Kim Fowley as like crazy rock and roll, dude. Like cr- help create the runaways. I don't picture him as this like lure canyon beer, you know, because he had many different phases in his life as well. Yeah. If we want it, and if you wanna think like, okay, what was the Royal Canin like before everybody moved in. Well, there is a couple of people in the book who talk about having grown up around laurel canyon and that the free loving unconventional lifestyles like weren't invented by these musicians. It was so secluded in full of nature and caves that you could just walk around naked. If you wanted to so. These days sorta found this place that was already special they make it special. Yeah. In the sense of like. It was always this Hedin. And then, of course, with every Eden, you know, changes so seventy spring also grew up in this area, and by h thirteen it was just another day to see Janice Joplin or start driving acid and she actually worked in the music industry, including electric goods and said this in nineteen seventy you could still hanging out at the canyon store. Sit on the wall smoke cigarettes and talk. There was always a Qatar. There was always an all night jam. Take me back. The author even talks to a young Rhody who at the time like just showed up and laurel canyon one day and was totally invited in the young Rhody says that one night he was outside the whiskey and a young woman appeared out of the strips nightly carnival. She just took my breath away. She was the most beautiful girl you would ever seen in your life flowers in her hair, gorgeous and sweet. He was Pamela. So there's a picture of the sky in the book, and he's also super cute looking and the GTO's ends up taking him in and hung out with him. And he was just like a drifter who found himself in the right place. And I like the idea of thinking about him as a Rhody because you tend to think about like Roti is like as like older. Dude. I'm so tired. Fielding soon when he stayed is. But they always have a heart of gold and knee who. Yeah, he says the trees would hang tough so tired. You could tell. Qaiser? He says the way the trees hang down with their big long leaves. It would be hazy smoggy with the golden light coming through the branches that hovered over the whole thing. It was just as magic as could be. I swear I saw fairies flying around laurel canyon because everybody had wings. Oh, so Walker toxic book the ever Lucien of the hippie manager to actual business people coming in and changing the music industry. So again, if you wanna more in-depth understanding of how music industry changed, you know, the record industry all of that. It's in the book, he has specific names, he has specific dates who's interesting had to leave it out as we know Graham Nash Joni Mitchell, Mitchell how to relationship so there's that romantic side of making us together being in laurel canyon together and just the camaraderie, the camaraderie of everyone else going up and around the canyon and just playing each other new music. Joni Mitchell has said ask anybody in LA. You know, where the craziest people are. And they'll say laurel canyon, and where's the craziest street lookout mountain? So there we were Elliott myself in a whole lot of us strung all the way through the canyon. The eagles came in later, and it was quite a neighborhood. Yeah. It was have you ever wonder what Joni Mitchell's house might have been like, absolutely? Well, I can tell you, please. Maybe it's a little bit different than what you would imagine. Maybe xactly what you imagine. But anyways, here's Mitchell's house was set back from the street against the hillside with the smaller cottage in front the exterior was covered with cedar shakes painted pale. Green the interior sported tongue in groove. Knotty pine ceilings and floors, a reporter from the New York Times visiting in nineteen sixty-nine described it as lovingly cluttered with two cats soon to be immortalized in Nashes our house, a Steph elk's, head stained glass windows. A grandfather clock given to Mitchell by Leonard Cohen, a king's head with a jeweled crown sticking out from the brick fireplace. Votive candles blooming. Zali is a Turkey made of pine cones dried flowers old dogs Victorian, shadow boxes, and an ornamental plate from Saskatoon Saskatchewan. Yeah. A reporter from Rolling Stone visiting the same year painted a scene of counter, cultural, domestic bliss Nash perched on an English church chair in the living room while Mitchell busied herself in the kitchen making crust for a rhubarb pie yet for two intense personalities on the verge of literally fame and fortune living in what was for all the Hanson hippie accoutrements a smallish gussied up hunting shack, the atmosphere was increasingly cost her phobic. Yeah. The Nash kinda goes on being like we shared the piano. Like when was it my turn than it was her turn? And yeah, it's lovely right. And so at this point things are getting like a little bit darker, and this was immortalized in Jodi mitchum song ladies of the canyon because she's getting richer Reich. Kind of everybody is of course, now me I play for fortunes and those velvet curtain calls. I've got a black limousine and two gentlemen, escorting me to the halls and play if you have the money, or if your friend to me, but the one man band by the quick lunch stand. He was playing real good for free. Interesting. Yeah. Point in the book the author outs into Charles Manson crew. So he provides the brief brief biography as we know we have the Tarantino movie coming out, which I'm really excited about and I won't go into the details. But just you know, this what did they have to do at laurel Kenyan they I forget the name of the canyon mighty start with a b Kenyon or something. But the family was. I guess committed the Libyan Tate Murray not too far from this. Okay. Plus a lot of them had had run ins with him. Yeah. Or like member, for example. Had an encounter like like a tiny little romantic count encounter with one of the boys in the family. So they were kind of around, and you know, this was while people left their doors open. Everyone was invited to parties people could just drop in. And then, you know, this guy who couldn't break into the music industry char- who still had followers took people to really dark and terrible place. Yeah, I guess it doesn't necessarily have to take place in laurel canyon to incite fear and all homes in LA at that point. Yeah. Areas like that. Yeah. Once Manson was charged paranoia increased and like a lurking dread appeared. So also like the darker times came like there was all to Mont cocaine started getting big eager growing testosterone was raging. Everybody wanted something, and it was Pamela is quoted as saying cocaine ruined. Everything. Laurel canyon never really recovered from it interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Different drugs. Incite different emotions in people. Yeah. And because laurel canyon was built on social relationships. What happens when people do cocaine does that really do much for social relationship, NAT really Michael debars was saying that at one point the drug dealers. Laurel canyon had valet parking have you ever seen the movie wonderland about? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good movie. John home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Val Kilmer. Plays him. Excellent soundtrack. It is. Jackson Browne actually, performed a different version of cocaine that went like this look at me now, sharp attack except for few billion, brain cells wouldn't mind having back. There was damage to the body damage to the soul damage to the quality of rock and roll cocaine. More Ghana Welsh say the right makes an appearance in this book. I don't know anything about her. Oh, I have her book. Okay. Do episodes. Well, one hundred percent I'm like do an episode, but it was fun to learn a little bit about her. And what I did learn about her the author describes her as white stunningly attractive over privileged and under supervised. When she got on the scene, even though she had looked up to the GTO's. And they were did you choose her inspirations? She considered them old and has-beens. So she was like seventeen she was sort of part of sable and lorries group. Yes. Yeah. So she was like seventeen Pamela was like in her twenties approximately I'm saying, and then she was talking about Laurien sable showing up who were even younger, right? And so funny enough because I was like, oh, I don't want to get into it. But then I'm reading this. And she's describing things in a really interesting way. She talks about the competitiveness, and that I contact photo of sable on the left Laurie on the right? Robert plant kind of middle. More gone. It had just taken a puff of her cigarette. And apparently photographer had gotten kicked out for taking that picture. Oh, really? Yeah. And then she was surprised to see like years later on somebody's living room wall. Wow. Yeah. So that photo was never supposed to be taken. And apparently Laurien sable jumped in at the last minute. Interesting. That's pretty funny. And they were saying like, oh, we'll rob Robert plant is looking at happy in it because his wife saw that photo. Yeah. Yeah. So that's pretty funny. So I'm going to read you a little bit just about the groupie path. But she had a real like a lot of really awesome and interesting things to say, yeah, she is a book cold Hollywood stories. I think we'll just based on these like couple of chapters. I want to know more. So she says that was the place our appetite Scott wetted, I think three dog night was one of the first bands we ever came in contact with the teenage fair and one of them went off with my girlfriend. So it was a place where young girls could get their look at Rockstars. And Rockstars could get their look at young girls that was my initiation into the potential for being a groupie that it was a viable path. Three dog night. Must have had a lot of groupies because my dad has told me a story about a friend of his back, then who was a huge three dog night thin and she had a goal of sleeping with the whole band. And should. Oh, wow. Cool. I'm gonna talk a little bit about. More about the groupie culture to and about the younger generation that was coming in. And this is the author writing. These new groupies as often as not barely out of outta leci- were aware of their complicity in the contract. And at least at first welcomed it. We loved the decadence says Moore Ghana Morgan a-, more Ghana. It was kind of economy because we knew in some ways we were very innocent. And that's where the whole sex thing came in being very sexual and willing to experiment sexually. There was a power in being able to provide fulfillment to fantasies of these men in power that were older than me. Sex was used as a power play and the more you had the more. You got. Interesting. Yeah. Definitely. We'll check her out somewhere and Michael Barr says at this is what America Pitta sought a pit him is to him. She also talks about how Led Zeppelin was attracted how attract how Led Zeppelin attracted the women in droves. And even the waitresses would try to get that. Of course, like they was spilled drinks on the other girl. She would get them found st- and more Gana said it was cut the wrote. She says it was territorial. These guys were big prizes. Yeah. So let's move on a little bit. Just like let's kinda start wrapping this up into the seventies early seventies. The glam seen New York musicians got laurel canyon drug dealers moving in post Manson pre-punk, but the musicians from the cannon were still doing amazing nineteen seventy four Johnny Mitchell had one of her biggest hits with Gordon. Spark Linda, Ronstadt had heart like a wheel and seventy four and Jackson Browne had the pretender in seventy six I guess, you can only really have that come rotary when you're not as big, you know, when you're not altering at the same time, and you know. You know, when you're younger, and you don't have families and everything you know, that was a special moment they that was their youth. That was you know, as they were building up something it nothing can last forever. Right. You got that? Right. So the music industry continued to change continued to change quickly, the peaceful, easy feelings of the eagles. I records group aggressively darker so people either pull themselves out of the CD's or moved in deeper, and like you said it's impossible to stay like that forever. People need to move on like Joni Mitchell could not keep living in a tiny cabin. And then as we know, you know, in the early eighties new generation of post punk Elliott bands began frequenting the sunset strip the whiskey, and I'm pretty sure Knicks lived in the canyon for awhile Gunson roses claimed rainbow. Yeah. But Walker says laurel canyon lives on and that to this day. It hasn't changed much it. Neither overindulge is. It's past nor calls much attention to its present. It simply is and we will end on a quote by Michael Michael Barr. Laurel canyon is a consciousness rather than a physical place like the Chateau more Mont or Karna. Street it transcends geographics. That's beautiful. Well, let's go there. Okay. Well, thank you for that. Those good no problem. It was it was fun to read. I just cannot wait for that sunshine. And so that was a big reason to I just like just tell just tell me about the lifts again. Yeah. When you read books that only the trees. Yeah. It's just so beautiful. It takes you there in you took me there. So thank you. No problem. And so hopefully that inspired a few people, you know. And I just I love you. I love you. I love you and love all of our listeners. And I think it's time to just go sit in a nice Epsom salt bath and stay tuned because we got some really exciting things coming. So we really do thanks for sticking with those things sticking with us through the good times and the bad. Now, what has it been bad? You know, how it is guys? It's life. It's life. It's a life. All right. Thanks for listening. See you next time. News. Toughest produced. Hi, sean. Tell them and being solar. Find all of our shows notes social N links at WWW dot pound field podcasts dot com or wherever you listen to great podcasts. 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UN Urges Ceasefire, Mask Mandates End & Tax Day- Monday, May 17th, 2021
"Today is monday may seventeenth what to know about some of the worst violence yet in the middle east and how the rest of the world's leaders are hoping to put an end to it. Also the highest profile trial delayed in the pandemic is getting underway at last plus what to know about tax day a chinese spacecraft made history on mars national chain stores dropped their mask mandates and we have an update about that missing tiger in houston. Welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news around ten minutes fast fair fun and on the go. I'm erica mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready. let's do the worst. Violence between israelis and palestinians in several years is getting even more intense. Israel's airstrikes have leveled some of the tallest buildings in gaza including a high rise. That was home to major media outlets like the associated press aljazeera. Israel's leader say militants from the hamas group working inside that building as well israeli airstrikes have also damaged or destroyed refugee camps schools and hospitals on the other side of the new york. Times says palestinians in gaza have now fired. At least three thousand rockets into israel. Israel has been able to intercept many of them so not all have done damage since his latest round of fighting started a week ago about one hundred ninety palestinians and ten israelis have been killed also more than twelve hundred. People have been hurt and about thirty thousand. Palestinians have been left homeless. This conflict has also stoked violence in israel between jewish and arab people who lived there and this weekend brought new pro israeli and pro palestinian protests. All around the world including here in the us president biden made calls to both palestinian and israeli leaders asking them to avoid killing anymore civilians and he sent a diplomat to israel in hopes of de escalating the fighting also over the weekend the united nations security council held its first open meeting about this conflict. The un secretary general opened up the talks by calling for a ceasefire saying the situation could spiral out of control though. It does not look like a ceasefire is going to happen anytime soon. Israeli prime minister benjamin. Netanyahu says it's going to take some time to take down hamas so for now. Attacks are continuing with full force like israel the us also recognizes hamas as a terrorist organization. But it's not just militants getting hurt and killed. Hundreds of civilians have been caught in the crossfire and both sides say. They're only doing what they can. To defend their people to be continued today. A high profile murder trial is getting underway. Again new york real estate heir robert durst is on trial for killing his best friend. You might recognize this case from an hbo. Crime documentary called the jinx that first aired back in two thousand fifteen it all started more than two decades ago. Though when durst friend susan berman was shot and killed in her los angeles home prosecutors say durst wanted her dead so she couldn't tell police she helped him cover up another murder. Durst wife was killed. In the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and prosecutors say durst is responsible for that one too but her body was never found so no one was ever charged well. Investigators reopened her case in the year. Two thousand and authorities say berman was going to talk to them about what she knew. She was dead two months later. Then it took. Nearly fifteen years for police to arrest durst for burman's death and it took another five years to bring him to trial then another unprecedented delay. The trial started for the first time last year. But after four days of opening statements and two days of testimony cove nineteen shutdown courthouses and jurors were sent home so today the same jurors will be coming back to court. The judge will question them to see if they can still be impartial. And go forward with this case. Durst lawyers say the long delay hurt his chance at getting a fair trial but every time they've asked for a mistrial. They've been denied. They've also asked for the trial to be delayed indefinitely saying he now has life threatening health issues including bladder cancer but for now it looks like the trial will go on anyway. Southern california wildfire is growing out of control authorities. Say it looks like one person may have started it at last check. What's being called. The palisades fire in los angeles county had burned through more than two square miles of land. Huge plumes of smoke were rising over the santa monica mountains and the fire was zero percent contained about a thousand people have already had to evacuate into panga canyon about twenty miles west of downtown. La so far. No injuries have been reported but this fire could still grow. Officially the cause is still under investigation. Firefighters say last night they were questioning a possible arson suspect. They promised to have more details later today. China landed a spacecraft on mars. For the very first time it happened over the weekend. And that makes china the only nation in the world besides the us to land on the red planet reuters reports. China's rover will in a similar way to nasa perseverance rover which is also on mars right now. China's rover will also look for signs of life on the planet and analyze the soil atmosphere for further research. 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That had a few months ago. If you live in any other state though and you need more time to file your taxes you can like any other year request an extension but those requests still have to be postmarked or submitted electronially by the end of today. If you've got your covid nineteen vaccines. You can now walk into several chain stores without a mask mask. Requirements for the fully vaccinated have been dropped it places like walmart publix trader joe's and starbucks unless they're in places with local requirements still in effect. Remember the cdc changed its recommendations just last week saying the science now shows that it's safe for fully vaccinated people to go without masks even indoors with that guidance expect to see more businesses with some new policies. How will they know who is vaccinated. Well most rely on an honor system and critics say this puts essential workers in harm's way unvaccinated. People do not wear masks leaders for two major unions representing nurses retail and factory workers are asking the cdc to rethink its mask guidelines. It's one downside of the world opening backup pets adopted during the pandemic are now getting return to animal shelters in record numbers. You may remember a large number of shelter. Dogs were being adopted or fostered when the pandemic started apparently people wanted to have a new pet to keep them company while they worked and went to school from home but now shelters are seeing many of them returned in fact one rescue group colorado says the rate of return to animals has doubled. Recently some people have said they just don't have time to care for their pets anymore or they didn't realize how much training they would need. Sadly now that these dogs are a little older. It might be tougher to find them. A new family still shelter. Workers say they much prefer you bring animals back to a shelter rather than abandoning them or selling them horse named rahm. Bauer pulled off a surprise win at this weekend's preakness stakes and that means no triple crown winner this year to win the triple crown horse has to take home the trophy to all three major races but a different horse medina spirit already won the kentucky derby in fact medina spirit held the lead for much of the preakness stakes along with another horse named midnight bourbon but in the final turn rob our caught up and took control ron. Bauer sped past the two leaders and ended up winning by four lengths. It was the first major win for trainer. Michael mccarthy the final triple crown race the belmont stakes and that is scheduled for june fifth. Remember that tiger spotted wandering around a houston texas neighborhood last week while it was finally found safe over the weekend and is now being cared for at an animal sanctuary. It turns out the tigers about nine months old and his name is in this whole ordeal started when the tiger was spotted on a houston lawn and a man seen with the big cat was later arrested yet. The tiger was nowhere to be found. It set off an that lasted nearly a week and got national attention while police now say the man's wife eventually surrendered the tiger and told police. India was never actually loose in the city. She also said she and her husband have had that tiger since he was a small cub though their attorney is insisting client is not india's legal owner exotic animals are allowed in parts of texas as long as owners get proper permits but they're banned within houston city limits. And that's it for your main news today but now it's time for money monday where we talk about one interesting money related news story but first thanks to our sponsor rossi's it's twenty twenty one and nobody has time for uncomfortable shoes right. That's where rossi's comes. 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These conductor chips are used to monitor engine performance control steering and automatic windows and manage alert sensors in newer models so the shortage has led to production cuts for example ford plans to put out only half of its normal number of vehicles through june and general motors is making fewer cars right now and using their resources to build more expensive vehicles like pickup trucks and large. Suv's cnbc reports. This chip shortage. Could last all the way until twenty twenty three all right. Thank you so much for listening today and making the newsworthy. Part of your daily routine. We'll be back with much more news to know tomorrow until then have a great day.
In the Dirt 10: Nutrition for Gravel Cyclists
"Hello and welcome to episode 10 of in the dirt from the gravel ride podcast. I'm your host Craig Dalton, Georgia be joined shortly by my co-host Randall Jacobs. This week's episode is again brought to you by you I've been stoked that people have been visiting buy me a coffee, I tried to find ways to support the podcast. It's amazing to hear from you. And so many International listeners that's been really fun. We've got people joining from Wales down in Columbia Canada all over the place. So we've got a few bonus perks for members over there, but it's also possible to just buy me a coffee. If you love what we're doing here at the gravel ride podcast this week on the Pod. We're talking about nutrition on the bike and giving you some resources and things to think about in how to fuel your gravel writing Adventures. So with all that said, Let's Dive Right into this week's podcast. Hey Randall, welcome to the show. It's good to be back as usual. Are we are by monthly routine page? Where where are you sitting now? And where are you heading next? I am in my three year old nephew Wesley's bedroom. The only quiet spot in the house with all these kids running around screaming just outside of Boston in Waltham, Massachusetts about to a couple of days away from heading back to the West Coast. So nice little stay in New England with family and escaping just as the weather is preparing to turn along with the leaves. Nice. You become soft. You need to be back for that West Coast weather. Oh for sure. Yeah. I I moved for a reason. It wasn't because I couldn't stay on a family. I love my family and it's been great. Seeing them. Now the winters here are tough for sure. Yeah. It makes it one thing I do miss about the east coast is a cyclist is that you actually had a cycling season so they're worth This notion that for some months in the winter. I was going to do something different. Whereas on the west coast. It's just seems like everybody's always going fast. Everybody's always going along because the weather is relatively decent all year round. So one of the things I loved when I was in my in my faux paux Pho Pro Racing days was I would I was in grad school at the time and I take a leave of absence in the spring and come out west and train out here and so by February March I would be flying and you know do a couple of West Coast races and I'd end up back on the East Coast say and like, you know a project so and I just be crushing it cuz I had months of training in my legs and everyone was just like waking up from the winter exactly. Like I knew a lot of Roadies who when they wanted to get their upgrade. They were just spend a few weeks on the West Coast or down in Florida and then come back up to New England and just crush it because everybody had indoor legs not outdoor legs at that time. Yeah, I will say that, you know you do song. Find ways to train out here. Like I've definitely written through I've definitely written through a blizzard or to or gotten caught out in one that I stayed up for too long. And you tend to find my trick was dead. I knew were all the Dunkin Donuts were on my routes not because I wanted to have any of their coffee gives her copies generally terrible, but because they have hand warmers in the bathroom that the hand dryer set go in there and you know warm up my hands that would allow me to go for a several hour ride and you know, five degree weather. I feel like you just open the floodgates for some people who are Dunkin Donuts coffee fans to send us hate-mail Randall. I'm sorry, but it's just not good. It's just not good. It's stale. It's burnt I used to think it was good coffee, and then I had good coffee. So, I'm sorry. It sounds very pretentious. But freshly roasted local coffee single-origin doesn't have to be expensive makes a big difference. I remember actually living in Boulder and the the cyclists in the mountain town. So like up in Vail Thursday. Similar sort of microcosm of what we just described where in the Colorado mountain bike series the people who lived in Boulder or more on the Flatlands would be going faster earlier in the years. But once the mountain guys really got their legs underneath them when the snow had melted they would come out and crush it. Yeah. Yeah Boulder is nice. You can ride I used to train there in like January February 8th, and because it's at six thousand feet the air is thin enough that it feels ten degrees or so warmer because the heat transfer is not a sufficient cuz there are just fewer molecules to bump into to sap your heat so you can ride there all day long. It's great. Yeah and they've got like three hundred days a year of sun. It's a it's definitely a great place to be. Yeah. Shout out to Boulder. Yeah speaking of that area, you know the Belgian waffle ride off your City Event actually happened this past weekend to have like the major gravel race is on the calendar. This was one of just a handful that has managed to kind of pull itself off. Your city is where is it? Located Utah and Utah. Okay. Yeah, and I was actually, you know, one of the gripes I have just kind of personally about the kind of types of events. I would sign up for would Belgian waffle ride in San Diego. Obviously it's a phenomenal event, but it's a hundred miles of Road and then 40-ish miles of off-road and for me that mixture isn't kind of enough to make me want to go do that. That's just not my cup of tea, but I tell you that City Cedar City Event hardcore gravel. I mean they were on the dirt 90% of the time from what I saw it was fun, you know as a fan of the sport an out the guys over at pure gravel were in sort of a 4 by 4. It's got a mini dune buggy and actually chasing the race and they what was awesome as they had both a Chase vehicle the men's group and for the ladies, so it was fun just to see it in action. I didn't realize sort of how much I missed just being a fly on the wall of some of these events and birth. In the action, so there's a lot of fun. I mean, I hope and it sounds like from talking to people who are there that they did what they could to be covid-19 safe. Everybody started off in groups of fifty. They had masks on for the first four neutral miles and then from there so, you know, I hope everybody who attended the race is safe and healthy afterwards, but it was nice for me as a fax to kind of see something go off. I do look forward to the days when we get to a place where we're events without restrictions are are a thing again, or at least a responsible thing again. We're probably, you know a vaccine and and so on away from that for sure but that that Festival environment that you get when you know before erase everyone's camping and after arranging one's barbecuing and hanging out and so on there's an element of that that I think it took for granted for quite some time. I think a lot of us took for granted for quite some time and now in this period of you know happy A social distance. It's I think we will learn to appreciate it in a whole different way and when it comes back together, it's going to feel very elevated very related. Yeah, you know and I know I have a lot of event organizers who listen to this podcast and I've actually got a guest I'm scheduling to come on board to talk about the things they did to make a Covetous safe event and some of the things that may just transfer going forward at the end of the day. I mean, we want events whether they're cycling events or live concerts. We want them all to come back and we want these best practices to be shared. So I'm excited about that conversation and just put information and dialogue out there into the world is actually a conversation. I've been wanting to have with you now that I'm heading back to the Bay because we used to host these big wonderful group rods and even like their understanding best protocols. I think that that's a conversation that actually would be very useful to the community at large. Like how do you organize a Cove? It's safe group ride, because that Community collage Development of of this, you know, this activity is so cord to the activity. Yeah for sure. Were you may have noticed since you're looking at me on video that I'm sitting in a closet and that's not my normal recording studio. So I completed my relocation down to Topanga and speaking of which is in Southern California Canyon above and above Malibu a little bit north of San Jose and one of the things when you were talking just about the community is I put out a bunch of things on various forums including the gravel ride podcast Facebook Forum this thesis slack forum and a bunch of public groups. I'm a part of just seeking information about the riding down here and it was frigging awesome to see how many people kind of jumped on Thursday and sort of thought to themselves. Hey, here's a guy who's not from the neighborhood. Let me throw some trails at him. Let me give him some tips. Let me tell them a good bike shop to visit. It was just really comforting to know that song. The gravel Community is out there if you put yourself out there and it really excites me like this general idea of I think that there's a there are a lot of different tools out there for say like finding roots and connecting with people in local areas and so on but they tend to be disjointed or they're on forums like platforms like Facebook, which I think at this point anyone who's not living under a rock is aware of the various, you know, negative aspects of being on Facebook, you know, all the distractions and things like that and it's something that I've been thinking a lot about so I know you and I've been talking about experiments in our online community that facilitates offline connection and I think that will have something to talk about with with this audience in the not-too-distant future with some of the experiments that we've been running off on the Facebook page and in the what has been till now a thesis community-focused slack group that we want to really Rebrand and transform into something that's more of a resource page. One who feels called, you know to join this community of ethos align folks. Yeah. I think there's just a lot of opportunity. I mean participate in a lot of forums and I'm off in referencing past episodes where you know, someone's like oh, do you have any experience with this suspension stem and I could say well why don't you hear from the guys at redshift listen to Steve and talk about why he developed that product and get a little bit of off his insight as well as insights from other Riders. So I think there is this huge opportunity to kind of just create a resource where people can go and and jump in share their knowledge and receive knowledge. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll be announcing the next phase of these experiments in the not-too-distant future and we'll we'll announce it on here and on the Facebook forum and in the thesis slack and so often but once we we put these, you know updated tools out there will definitely be very keen to get the feedback of you know, the folks who are engaged and make sure that we can make it as useful as possible. Yeah wage. Totally, you know, one of the things the last couple episodes have been kind of breaking things back to basics. We've been talking about gravel bike maintenance and then everyday carry we've gotten a lot of feedback that writers are you know, they're it's it's a great reset to just kind of check in with themselves and think am I doing what I should be doing in those categories to the other area we were riffing on was just kind of nutrition in general and I wanted to just together share some thoughts for for New Riders and maybe Riders who are thinking about taking their performance to the next level about how one might think about nutrition. I'll set the stage by saying neither Randall nor I are licensed nutritionist or have a PhD and exercise physiology or anything like that for those long-time listeners. We've had guests like dr. Alan Lam from scratch Labs on who's who's dug in deep on this subject. We also talked to Frank Overton from Fast cats coaching who stalks off. Winning in the kitchen and gives you tools for shopping. But Randall. I just thought I'd serve that up as a starting point and let's just riff a little bit on you know, how people can think about nutrition both on and off the bike sneak in in kind of what this will be a very in a personal conversation about what we have found works and does not work for us caveat already given that we're not professionals here and that we would want to fill this out with them further conversations with people that we can dive really deep on some of these themes with but these are pretty you know, the themes that you and I discussed pre episode are pretty well validated themes that we can speak to so I feel pretty comfortable with so yeah, let's dive in it's funny when I started mountain bike racing and doing longer ride. So rides longer than an hour where nutrition starts to come into play. It was quite funny. I remember may I go to kind of on bike nutrition was a sleeve of Fig Newtons? And with my crew that was pretty much all we'd always carry on us and it's funny in many ways. I've come back to that being not actually a horrible thing to be bringing out with me. It could be much worse. I mean, it's it's not any worse than the de-facto candy bars that some companies are selling as Sports Nutrition not to mention the the the de-facto soda water that they're selling a sports beverage. Yeah. It's definitely sort of buyer beware in this market and do your research. There's a lot of good products out there from good companies, but there's also a lot of stuff that's just kind of designed to taste life and and not actually deliver the punch that you need on the bike. Yeah. It's it's a it's a marketing angle to make you feel like you're drinking doing eating something good for you or drinking something good for you. But in fact, it's just the same addictive Sugar repackaged in in a you know in a different way with a different narrative. I don't know about you rental for me like I can get up in a ride an hour and not think about eating dog. Really when I'm sort of in the two three hour and Beyond mark that I really think about. Hey, I need to be eating and drinking consistently throughout the effort. Otherwise, I'm going to put myself in a dark place. Yeah, it depends on when in the day and it depends on kind of where you at where you're at with your diet and so on in my case I have been on a pretty hectic. Well, actually I don't that's the wrong word. I eat what I love to eat and it just so happens that I really don't like eating sugar and I no longer care really for simple carbs and that has been off of a practice of looking at my dietary habits and seeing food addictions and so on and realizing these things don't serve me so in terms of like when I bring fuel for a ride a jet pack have something in my bag, you know, talk about everyday carry I have something in there. So I don't Bonk if I decide to go longer or whatever, but my general routine is dead. I'm a huge fan of time restricted eating and if this is something that folks are not familiar with this is the idea of having a Time window during the day in which you do all of your eating off and so in my case my window is generally, you know between like 1:00 in the afternoon and 8:00 at night and that might seem extreme and certainly if I was going for a really long ride, I would fuel up like if you know if I'm doing my big weekend ride I wake up and make a big omelette and you know, I feel up and I'm eating on the bike, but for my day-to-day routine, especially if I'm not exercising in the morning before I'm up at 6:30. I have coffee with heavy whipping cream and there's no sugar in there and that kind of primes my metabolism for Fatburger and doesn't give me that kind of that that Sugar hit and that blood sugar Spike and I'm not hungry until 1:00 in part because my gut biome is no longer. You know biased towards those microbes that preferably, you know digest and thus call out for for sugar in the morning so that so if I'm if I'm going for a say like an hour run or an hour ride in the morning, I won't eat before I'll eat afterwards because you generally don't need a fuel up prior to that sort of that effort in the morning. If you're already, you know found to burn fat preferably so that whole topic of time restricted eating is probably something that's not heard on cycling podcasts a lot. It was certainly popularized in the Silicon Valley with a bunch of entrepreneurs who were quote-unquote biohacking and there was a lot about it. Why would anybody time restrict eat out? Because well, let's see so I have found so I have had issues with say like what might be described as like attention issues like, you know a d h d e Whatever you want to call it, which is essentially fight-or-flight, right low-level fight-or-flight all the time, which affects your attention in would have found, you know, before I started this mindfulness practice even is that I'm having a bunch of sugar in my system not to mention caffeine which triggers an adrenalin response amongst other things those two things would put me in this elevated arousal stage that affect my my attention and not to mention like you're shunting all of this energy and resource towards your gut to digest it as opposed to having that resource available for you know wage, you know cognizant and for Focus, so I I kind of fell into this by waking up in the morning and just trying, you know, black coffee or coffee with butter or heavy whipping cream and then getting off work and then 1:00 would come around. I was like, I'm not hungry or like 1:00 would come around like it's time for me to eat. And so it just happened in a real organic way and it worked super well, like I said The laser-focused for four or five hours at a time get all my creative work done and then you know eat, you know eat a proper meal around, you know after lunch time off. Yeah. It says it's an area that I've always been kind of curious about and and but I've never done it long enough to feel the effects. So I'm curious to continue doing research on that and and see if it's something that fits for me. I think and I I'd love to have an expert on the show to speak more than anecdotally about this but I suspect that you have to combine it with a like a lower carb diet and getting like General dopamine fasting particularly as it relates to like sugar and simple cards and how that gives you that hit because if you were if you have a gut biome that is, you know, optimized for breaking down sugar cuz that's what you feed it. Then those microbes are going to be putting out chemicals that in turn trigger home. And then you won't be able to think about anything but hunger which is why I like priming the pump with a little bit of like dents fats healthy fat in the morning is a good way to to kind of Stave that off the ignition to just avoiding sugar. Generally. I mean, so there's a couple of different categories, right we've talked about there's there's sort of short rides where nutrition really isn't a factor then there's a long ride where you're out on your own you're doing your own thing and then there's sort of event rides where you know, you are counting on nutritional support from Aid stations and you're not going to be able to control it. Do you sort of view your nutrition differently in those different environments? I'm not racing seriously anymore. I'll show up to events and not throw down but back in the days when I was if I was doing say a two two and a half hour events. Well one, I wouldn't carbo-load the night before carbo-loading is dead. A myth it's a way for people to justify carbohydrate binging but actually are just screw up your sleep amongst other things. Most people like a trained athlete can store about a hundred Keith 1,800 calories worth of glycogen that are available for burning which is not a lot. And so really your bias in fueling up for an event is to make sure your glass is topped off which is not a huge amount of of carbs, right? And then as you're riding that you are replenishing that glycogen through, you know, basically simple and and you know, a mix of simple and complex carbohydrates replenishing that as you ride as quickly as possible and there are a couple of things that have been shown to facilitate that for a shorter high-intensity events. One of them is actually having some protein in the mix. And so if you look at better fuels for like rate, you know high-intensity race days off. Generally a four-to-one ratio of carbohydrates to protein and it's not just that the proteins there for for repairing your muscles and your tissues are riding and kind of putting stress on them and causing some to break down. But it also apparently accelerates the the uptake of sugar and conversion into glycogen so that it can replenish those glycogen stores. So it's kind of a double bonus there in terms of both, you know, staving off that that glycogen depletion which ultimately leads to bonking while the same time also helping you get a head start on repair the interesting thing in my conversation with dr. Alan Limb and something that I learned during my Ironman Triathlon days was just the idea of the amount of calories the body can absorb any an hour. So being the importance being sort of make sure you're fueling constant birth. Not not binge eating every two hours cuz we certainly all been there in a long event where for whatever reason we have to keep the hands on the handlebars. We were cranking with a big group. We didn't want to get dropped whatever you didn't eat and all of a sudden you start to feel hungry feeling hungry is probably the worst sign your body is giving you because it means that you've left off eating too late at that point. Yeah, and I would go further and say relying on your feeling or perception to determine whether or not like you're fueling strategies is also, you know, not a great way to go especially for longer events like anything over two hours even a two-hour event high-intensity. If you're competing at a high level, you know as when I was racing thoughts I would have one bottle for wattle water and one bottle for fuel and I would drink a certain amount of the fuel bottle every certain amount of time and then that would allow me to optimize The specific ratio of macro and micronutrients and electrolytes per unit time as I was going. Well at the same time staying on top of my my water intake and being able to like throw a bottle hand off new water bottle with each lap. And if I'm if I'm understanding you correctly you're talking about a liquid calorie Source. Yes, and so in the case of a like a long event like a six-hour event. I was at the time using a product called perpetuum from Hammer nutrition and I would make it like a sludge basically the thickest thing that would flow through the nozzle and not have it one one bottle. That would be say 1500 calories or so and that would be my primary fuel bottle. And then I have another bottle with some amount of electrolytes and maybe some a little bit of sugar for flavor to get it down easier and I'd have some other fuel sources as well some solid fuels, you know a banana. I love peanut butter and jelly, I'm sorry peanut butter and banana on some, you know multigrain. Toasted bread. That's a that's funny. I got I got suggested perpetuum in my Ironman days. And I just could not joke that stuff down. I do know that those products have evolved a lot. Over the last decade and they're super tolerable and what's nice into your point knowing that you consumed one bottle of four hundred calories in one bottle of water or electric range. You're setting yourself up in a good place because you you knew that it needed to come down. I remember I was so nervous in my first Ironman about eating and drinking enough. I set an alarm for every 15 minutes on my Timex watch. Yeah, so it would just beep and reminded me and at this point, I'm I'm quite conscious of it so that I don't have to do the alarm thing anymore, but it's kind of a good hack as you're learning this if you're going out for a 3-hour ride just set a timer and and sort of make sure you're grabbing that water bottle or a little bit of nutrition every 15 minutes. That way you're going to stay on birth. Of it. I would I would throw in that. It's way more important for a race sort of event where you're at high intensity because those events you're you're generally much more or anaerobic vs. Aerobic. So anaerobic you're burning glycogen. Preferably you're using different fuel systems and so on and you're kind of this is where you're going into your Red Zone Red Zone, then you have your aerobic which is fat burning and this is kind of your base. This is the level you could run go all day and you're not depleting those glycogen stores as much and the average person even even a highly trained athlete has days worth of fat stores that they can, you know mobilize for for you know effort and so if you're going for like a long casual ride, this is not an excuse to be eat all the candy and throw down all the all the calories you can like you still should have in fact the lower the intensity the more you should bias towards real food. Like I'll bring a you know a bag yet with some night with like a Caprice a salad sandwich on a baguette. I bring that out on a ride and then likes it, you know for the nice view and and found it kind of two three hours in yeah, I think it's a good good reminder to just think about it that way because you're right when I'm just chilling on a casual ride. It's pretty easy to get real food down. The challenge comes when you're as you said when you're redlined and you're just scrambling to jam something in your mouth. That's we're sort of the package sports goods have come in to favor for me. Yeah, for sure. Yeah back in the longer you go the more you need to stay on top of things. But if you're going out for a two or three-hour ride and you're going pretty casual, you don't need to throw down six Clif bars. It's candy don't hate yourself off. Sorry. I did want a circle back on the subject of caffeine cuz I'm I'm not a coffee drinker, but I'm a tea drinker which obviously in a lot of cases contains caffeine. I do find that on my big rides. I am caffeinating through my Sports Nutrition products. So I'm getting a lot of caffeine throughout throughout those days. Do you have any thoughts about how do you use caffeine strategically? I actually got into caffeine because it was one of the few legal ergogenic aids for performance and there's a perception that the primary benefit is the stimulant effect. But actually it's it's much more that at least the last research. I read on this page and granted I'm not up to date. So if anyone in the audience contracts this contradicts this in in the forums, please you know, if you have countervailing evidence, please present it but my understanding is that the presence of caffeine will bias towards mobilization of fat the Spurs at a given level of exertion. That's pretty cool. Irving those limited glycogen stores and that is a significant benefit of caffeine during an event is that you're burning more fat at a given level of exertion and you have fat four days versus glycogen is limited. I'll use you know, I enjoy caffeine I well I enjoy a cup of coffee and I actually have shifted my my caffeine intake lately. I think I mentioned to you kind of done like a an inventory of of all of my addictions of late caffeine being one of them off and so like caffeine is can be useful for riding but it also you know, it bonds with your identity and receptors and keeps you from being able to get home. So like that's why I have my one cup of coffee very early in the morning and generally half-caff so that I don't have a bunch of caffeine in my system when I'm trying to go to sleep and thus interrupting the quality of my sleep off. It also was associated with adrenaline release which is not great because that is associated with anxiety and lack of focus and things like that. So definitely something to use sparingly, That's one of those things in my kind of big event days or stage race days. I learned the hard way was I would be consuming caffeine throughout the day. So let's say it was an eight hour-long stage or something. I would consume all that caffeine and then I could not rest. I could not take a nap before dinner and it was really negative effect change negatively affecting me. So my strategy in my last stage race effort was, you know would only eat caffeinated Prada products early on in the day and then I would make sure that off the rest of my day was you know, proper nutrition products, but it did not contain caffeine and I went too far and I do recommend this, you know when you pack your jersey if you're doing more jobs Off supported or you want to carry your own stuff in an event? Make sure to pack it in a way that everything's organized. So, you know, if you know, if you're wearing a Camelbak vest the left side of your vest has caffeinated products dog outside has has non-caffeinated products or if you've got a quarter frame bag just organize it accordingly so that you're grabbing the right things at the right time so that you're looking forward to after they've sent to what your recovery programs going to look like. There's also something to be said for the effectiveness of a given amount of caffeine being related to amongst other things like your home how much caffeine you're generally getting. So if you were on a if you're having two cups a day every single day of coffee then your Baseline is I mean your your life changes happen in your body and your synapses and so on that adapt to that level of this because your body needs these, you know adenosine to age. To these receptors in order to in that accumulates over time to trigger sleep. And so if those are pathways are blocked by caffeine, you generate new adenosine receptors and now you're back to square one, like if you can use it for the events, it'll be more effective. You don't need so much. Yeah. I remember I used to do that. I used to sort of go on a a caffeine Hiatus before a big event because I felt like it would happen more of an effect when I got to event day if I hadn't been drinking tea for the weeks approaching that yeah. Absolutely not to mention. You got better sleep probably. Yeah and which is critical for for Thursday for an event. Absolutely. I mean, I feel like there's another big episode probably with a sleep expert to talk about sleep in recovery. There's so much to cycling. That's why it's such a cheap citing sport to be a part of because there's always something to learn particularly when you've got big events on your calendar. You've got just things that you can tweak to 2 a.m. You have to improve your performance. When I was weird, we had a little bit of a technical hurdle, but I think we're you know kind of winding down for the episode rental. Do you have any more thoughts that you wanted to kind of bring into the conversation? Yeah, is kind of a general theme that ties both nutrition with general like wellness and mindfulness, which is you know, I have been I've had this wonderful window of time where I can really focus on all of my patterns and one of the patterns that a lot of people in our culture have and there's a whole food science Industry ready to you know, take advantage of this is agency to use food for comfort and really that's like you have some sort of feeling maybe it's a difficult feeling and you go towards food in Orange stress eating right or binge eating and you're eating not because your body needs nutrition, but because it makes you feel better for a moment, but then you feel worse afterwards and I've really been thinking deeply about You know, what are the foods I put in my body that perpetuate this cycle and then also the mindfulness of like, oh, I'm having a difficult feeling and I just opened the fridge three times and what am I doing? Why is it that I'm opening the fridge? Am I really hungry or am I just like anxious about something and if it's not time to eat if I'm not really hungry then I will replace that with something did not like I do herbal teas. I'll go for a walk. I'll call a friend. I'll do some push-ups or you know, I'll I'll take some time to do like five minutes of of simple meditation and soul breaking those those unhealthy addictive type relationships with food which our culture and and the kind of the all these food companies are are preying upon, you know be able to break that cycle. I think is core to one of the key goals of a lot of people in in getting into this experience which is taking care of themselves, right? How many people do you know that like got to a point wage? Lives were like I need to take care of myself and they got a bike. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a wonderful wonderful sport for that from that perspective. Just so good for you. Yeah. Yeah, an exercise like exercise is important. It's critical but nutrition and what you put in your body this idea of like Michael pollan's eat food not too much mostly plants and learning how to like cook and prepare simple dishes for yourself that aren't you can identify everything in them and it's not just a list of unpronounceable ingredients of refined garbage that you're you're shoveling down because it's convenient but really being mindful about it. I think that's if if anything comes out of that episode out of this episode, it would be to encourage people to like learn how to cook simple dishes and to be mindful of when and what they when they put things in their mouth and what they're putting in their mouth and and why yeah, I think that the the cool thing about gravel cycling in general is that it does force you to kind of look at all elements nice life because the events and experiences can be so big each year for a lot of people looking at these different areas. You definitely see a translating to being a better side job. List a happier person a better friend, you know it all kind of comes full circle. Yeah, it's it's nutrition is one aspect of of loving yourself. Yeah, it's taking good care of yourself by putting good things in your body. Absolutely. Well, I know it's probably about time for you on the outskirts to start putting something good in your body for dinner. So I think we'll sign off for this week lovely chatting with you Craig as always good to see you and safe travels back to the West Coast. Yeah, we'll see you soon. So that's it for another edition of in the dirt from the gravel ride podcast. We appreciate you joining us this week and every week next week, I'll be back with another one of them a long-form interview shows. In the meantime. I encourage you to find us on Facebook and join the gravel ride podcast discussion forum. We've got a lot of good conversation from gravel athletes all over the world going on. 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Helter Skelter Special Part 2
"Today's podcast is presented by pod go bad go is the easiest way for you to monetize your podcast providing podcasters with a flat rate for ad space. So you always know how much you get home you include an ad from pod go apply today to become a member and immediately be connected with advertisers that fit your audience that spot go home and be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about pug go section of the application? Welcome back to Cherry Avenue True Crime podcast. This is part two of a two-part episode helter-skelter Special. Today's episode contains details of extremely violent murders and other assaults listener discretion is strongly advised. The day after the murders on Cielo drive a couple of people from the family were watching the news on T in a trailer. They saw the people that were murdered the night before were famous. People Van Houten asked Patricia krenwinkel to tell her more about it. Van Houten said in an interview many years later to think that she was strong enough in her belief to be able to go and kill em, she said she wanted to do it to the next day man. Some gathered a larger group Tex Watson Susan Atkins Patricia, krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten Steve Grogan, who was then she called Clem and Linda Kasabian Charlie went with them and he told them where to go Manson went up to the door of the labiancas house with a gun. He forced his way in and tied up the labiancas off telling them. It was just a robbery and he wasn't going to hurt them Charlie went back to the car and told them to go in and do what text told them to be then spoke to tax and told him to make sure dead. Everybody did something. Watson krenwinkel and Van Houten went in Friendly go went into the kitchen and got knives for her and Van Houten Watson was armed with a Bayonet. Text all the girls to take mrs. Labianca into the bedroom Van Houten took a pillowcase from the bed and put it over Rosemary's head. She unplugged the lamp next to the bed and wrapped the cord around the pillowcase Rosemary could hear Leno crying out in the living room as he was getting stabbed. The lamp was still attached to the court and rosemary swung the lamp cord with the lamp in Leslie's direction of an outage knocked the lamp out of her hands and rustled her down krenwinkel stabbed her but hit the collarbone the knife blade bent. Van Houten ran out into the hallway to call Tex Watson went into the bedroom and both he and Van Houten stabbed Rosemary. Labianca, Rosemary. Labianca was stabbed 41,000. Meanwhile krenwinkel was out in the living room stabbing Leno in the abdomen with the carving Fort seven times. Then she stabbed him twelve times with a knife. She was the one to carve War into his abdomen Watson and krenwinkel took showers at the labianca house after the murders. Van Houten drink chocolate milk from out of the refrigerator Helter Skelter was written on the refrigerator with blood but it was misspelled Hilter Skelter h a t a l t e r Leno had a pillowcase over his head as well when the coroner's office took the pillowcase off. They found he had a knife stuck in his neck that went completely through the handle sticking out of one side and the blade out of the other. In the news and on T. The labianca murders were at first being called the copycat murders Hollywood was buying firearms and other forms of production such as guard dogs after first-choice murders and then the lobby Bianca murders Leno labianca was a well-respected family man. He had been married before Rose and had a daughter from that marriage still his daughter Louise said she was a good man and a good father pasqualino Antonio labianca was born in Los Angeles California to Italian immigrant parents. He was called Leno by his family his father Antonio owned to grocery businesses Gateway Ranch markets and state Wholesale grocery company Leno graduated from Franklin High School a year early. He was also a star on his school track team earning him the nickname flash Leno served in the Army and fought in World War Two in nineteen fifty-one. Leno was elected to the board of directors and was named vice president job. Gateway markets and state Wholesale grocery company after his divorce Leno decided to sell the wholesale business that he had inherited from his father and focus on the expansion of Gateway markets. He also graduated from USC with a degree in finance in nineteen fifty-eight labianca met Rosemary while she was working as a waitress the two fell in love and were married in nineteen sixty in Carmel, California Rosemary. Labianca was Leno second wife it seemed they had a special marriage. She was pretty and stylish his daughter from his first marriage said that she thought Rose and her dad were very good friends Rosemary labianca was born in Arizona her birth name was Ruth Katherine Elliott after her parents divorced Rosemary's mother found. She couldn't support her children and they were placed in a home and put up for adoption Ruth was adopted at age eight by a couple who had lost their daughter to an illness. They changed Roost name to Rosemary, which had birth First daughter's name Rosemary was married once before Leno and had two children from her first marriage. August 16th 1969 LA County Sheriff rated spawn Ranch at 6 a.m. They had a warrant to investigate auto theft Manson was the last person arrested him hiding in a crawl space under a building. They took everyone in but eventually all were released because they could not determine who was responsible for the two cars stolen that they had a warrant for. The authorities did not die together the labianca murders with the tape Murders At First and they did not tie Gary hinman's murder to either of them. A detective on the Hinman murder case called the LAPD to tell them he had a murder that he was investigating in Topanga Canyon and he thought there were similarities. He pointed out that Gary Hinman had been killed and then a little piggy had been written in blood at the crime scene. They apparently didn't want to hear it or thought it was unlikely that it was related. Speculation had gone crazy on the Cielo Drive murders. It was incredibly odd to have seemingly random murders committed in such a brutal way in exclusive neighborhood then add in how many people were murdered. This wasn't all by gunshots were one or two Intruders would come in and just shoot them. All these people were viciously murdered up close with knives and other weapons. He would think it would take more than one or most probably more than two to do this. There were many theories that they would have to consider. Because of the horror movie that Roman Polanski did called Rosemary's Baby there was even a theory it was devil worshippers looking at how horrific the crime scene was that wasn't some far-fetched idea the newspaper and TV news theories were endless. Of course, the news was speculation of murders being related to drugs as these were movie people and famous people and even a Harris Roman gave a news conference to try and put an end to the speculation. He said Sharon did not do drugs drink or even smoke cigarettes. He was very hurt by the horrible things written about his wife Roman became a detective in his grief. He wanted to know who was responsible for his wife's and his baby's death after the rated spawn Ranch. The family went back out to the desert a pull up. The girls started sharing what they had done. They told the stories as if proud for what they had done for Charlie Susan Atkins told them how share and had begged for the life of her baby. The other girls did not know about this and they were shocked they were shocked how easily they talked about doing it. They didn't seem bothered that they had done such violent horrendous murders. They told the birth family members they did it for Charlie. Charlie told them to some who thought about leaving before this were now afraid to leave knowing what they knew two of the girls did decide to go though. This wasn't the loving Gangnam that they had signed up for they laid down to sleep further away from everyone. So no one would hear them after they went to sleep. They waited to be sure everyone was asleep and then started walking dead. They headed up to the top of a wash and walked along there about an hour into their walk. They saw that the dune buggies had been started up and they were out looking for the girls and June buggies couldn't go up to the top of the wash, but they were still very scared. They were eventually able to find a road and got lucky when the sheriff was driving by. At some point in the desert during this time text had left no one knew where he had gone. In interviews in the documentary helter-skelter on Epix. One of the other girls said she had wanted to leave but there was nowhere to go for her. Two other male family members left with the gold miner at first the minor was just staying at a small cabin on the ranch in the desert and he hired the two guys from the family to help him go out mining each day while they were out mining this minor talked to them about the craziness of what they were believing and eventually they were ready to go with him instead of Charlie. That was their way out. Not too long after these followers went away the sheriff descended on their hide out in the desert. They loaded up the ones that were left in the pickup trucks. Charlie again was one of the last found hiding in a small van a cabinet under a bathroom sink. They were under arrest for burning the road grader that was out in the desert and had blocked their way. Susan was at first in jail with all the other girls, but then it was discovered. She had a warrant out for her arrest and she was moved to l a while until she gets talking to one of her cellmates song ends up telling her all about the Tate murders and that she was there this led to all of those involved being investigated. It starts to come out in the news how Manson is the leader and most likely The Mastermind in the killings Atkins was indicted in her picture was everywhere in the news as she was the first to tell the story and she readily admitted. She participated in the murders took a lawyer put out a statement that she was hypnotized. She often looked like she was enjoying the attention of the cameras. She smiled at the news men and women and had some indiscernible quips. Authorities were at the ranch looking for evidence of other murders. They thought the family might be involved in. One was Donald shorty Shea a movie stuntman who had met them when he was filming at the ranch. He had a disagreement with Manson and he was missing turns out Charlie thought that she had been the way to turn them in for car theft for which they had all been arrested. The first time the word was that he had been killed and then buried out in the desert Leslie Van Houten and Patricia krenwinkel were also offer dated along with Manson and tex Watson Linda Kasabian was five months pregnant at the time of the indictments. Tex Watson was born Charles Watson Manson gave him the nickname tax tax was well-liked in his small Hometown in Texas. He played High School football and taught Sunday school at copeville Methodist Church. Everyone thought he would do. Well when he grew up Watson was born in Farmersville, Texas on December 2nd, nineteen forty-five and grew up in nearby home till he was the youngest of three children in high school. He was an honor student and an athlete. He also worked as the editor on the school paper in 1964. He attended the University of North Texas where he became a member of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity. He discovered drugs and college and eventually left without completing his education. Patricia krenwinkel was born on December 3rd 1947 in Los Angeles, California to an insurance salesman father and a homemaker mother. She attended University High School and then went to Westchester High School both in the Los Angeles area. Patricia was often bullied at school by other students suffering from low self-esteem and was frequently teased for being a wait after graduating high school. She considered becoming a nun she decided to attend a Jesuit college, but within one semester Patricia dropped out and moved back to California. She met Charles Manson in Manhattan Beach in nineteen sixty-seven along with Lynette Fromme and Mary Brunner in later interviews, krenwinkel stated that she had sex with Manson the first night she met and that he was the first person who told her she was beautiful Susan Denise Adkins was born on May 7th 1948 in San Gabriel, California. She was the second of three children by her parents were alcoholics her mother died when she was fifteen and her father then abandoned the family she dropped out of high school to support herself and moved by herself to San Francisco in early 1967 while staying with friends Susan Atkins met Charles Manson and by summer they were all on a road trip. Leslie Van Houten was born on August 23rd 1949 in the Los Angeles suburb of Alta Dena. She grew up in a middle-class church-going family along with an older brother and two adopted siblings her mother and father divorced when she was fourteen at Seventeen. She became pregnant and was forced by her mother to undergo an abortion Manhattan's mother years later informed her that the procedure could not be called an abortion as the fetus was too mature. She instructed the girl to bury the late-term aborted baby in their backyard. Van Houten said after the she felt very distant with her mother and Harvard intense anger toward her. Authorities were looking for the bloody clothes that the family members were wearing that night after the murders Manson had told them to take the clothes to change into and they had done that. News reporters found the bloody clothes laying down the hill where the killers had thrown them out the window of the car as they were driving away a gun was also found but months after the killing off wasn't linked to The Killing until many months after it was found. A journalist went out to spawn Ranch and talked to some of the family members who were still there. He got the story about the race Wars and the supposed message from the Beatles about Helter Skelter. He wrote a book called 5 to die and got it out. Just a few months before the trial then in the trial the motive for the killings was said to be the upcoming race horse that Charlie was predicting and that he got the idea from the Beatles album The prosecution did not have to prove what the motive was for the killings just that they did it. Manson during trial and in days leading up to the trial interacted with the press and made quips to them whenever he was being led to and from Court rooms and the cameras were on him. He carved an x on his forehead and had the scab scar during all of this a lawyer said it was a symbolic gesture to say that he had except himself out of society at Large. Some of the girls also X their own foreheads and sat outside the Hall of Justice in support of Charlie. Some said that Charlie was The Puppetmaster even in jail. He had Sandy good and Squeaky Fromme talking for home saying all the good things about him. Ivor Davis journalist who wrote the book five to die was there on the first day of trial and he saw a Squeaky Fromme and she knew who he was and that he had written the book which did not say good things about Charlie. He said that she asked him. Do you know what it feels like to have a sharp knife slipped down your throat. He went right into the courthouse and called his wife and told her to take his one-year-old daughter and leaves house until further notice Linda Kasabian testified against Charlie in his trial. She said she was a lookout during the murders. She was only Twenty-One and already a mother of two. She had only been with the family about a month before the murders the prosecution give her a tentative offer of immunity if she would say on the stand and tell everything that she knew God by this time Susan Atkins had withdrew her previous testimony and denied everything she said before so there was no one from inside the group testifying against Charlie or the others. Linda Kasabian testified to being eyewitness to two of the murders. She said that she and three of the others had just climbed over the fence of the house on Cielo drive when Tex Watson shot a man in a car who was driving out of the driveway. She stayed outside and the rest went into the house. She heard screams coming from inside the house and saw people running out. She stated that was all unbelievably horribly terrible. She saw Watson stabbing one man on the lawn near the house. She also saw Patricia krenwinkel with a knife chasing a woman across the lawn Kasabian change when shown a photo of Stephen parent the teenager who had been shot in his car Kasabian said he had begged not to be hurt. Barbara void left the Barker Ranch sometime after the murders after the family learned that she was going to testify she got death threats from Gypsy and Sandy squeaky and Clem almost daily with Barbara Boyd testified that Susan Atkins had said Sharon Tate came out and said what's going on here or something like that and Susan said back to her. Shut up woman Barbara also said that Sharon was the last to die and had to watch the others go first. Tex Watson had managed to avoid extradition from Texas to California for nearly a year. His lawyer said he couldn't get a fair trial California eventually did have to come back to California for trial but it was after Manson and the girls were tried Gypsy real name Catherine share with Charlie told her to go to Beverly Hills Hotel and to intimidate the lead prosecutor who was staying there. She stood outside his hotel room window with a king snake wrapped around her when he came out. She asked him if he wanted to pet her snake. The defendants in the Manson trial had to be removed from the courtroom repeatedly and put in a room with speakers so they could still hear the trial going on. Manson himself had a complete meltdown and jumped up on the table in front of the judge while wielding a sharp and number two pencil. He told the judge somebody ought to cut your head off man. He started out by injecting the opening testimony saying to the judge you are trying to use this courtroom to kill me. You want me dead the judge told Manson to be quiet. He ordered him to be quiet or he would have him removed. The minute I see you are going to kill me. You know, what I'm going to do said Manson the judge said know, what are you going to do? Manson jumped up on the council table with a pencil and yelled. Mm. How about this? How about his head should be cut off and then he said I will have you removed if you don't stop I have a little system of my own said Manson, he then hurled himself in the money towards the judge the bailiff tackled him in mid-air. The judge said let the record reflect that mister Manson has made a lunge for the bench and is now being subdued by the deputies Manson and the girls were moved to another room with a loud speaker. So they could look up the trial as it continued. The prosecutor had other Witnesses who had been at Spahn Ranch come in to testify they talked about Helter Skelter & Charlie's prophecy that there would be a race war Terry Melcher testified wage. He was the one who had rented the house before Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. He thought Manson was looking for him and sent the killers to that house for him. He testified that he never offered Manson a recording contract and had thought the music was just average. Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins had left the family while in the desert and started to work for the Gold Miner they both testified for the prosecution as well. While still under Charlie spell Brooks had been told by Charlie to sneak into the sheriff's home and cut his throat post and said that he did not do as Charlie wished. Paul Watkins testified about hearing Charlie talked often about killing Rich whites in the suburbs and making it look like blacks had done it Diane Lake a former family member was scared to testify life scared. She would hear Charlie and he would intimidate her but she was okay and she didn't see him the way that she used to anymore. Manson address the court for 1 hour without notes. The jury was not present. It was said to be like a dissertation about his life. He did say at one point that he had killed no one and that he had ordered. No one to be killed. After this the judge said they would bring in the jury and said maybe Manson wanted to say something to them. He said he had already said it he was not going to testify and he told the girls not to testify off right after the prosecution and the defense rested their case Leslie Van Houten. Lawyer. Ron Hughes disappeared. He had been heard to say that maybe Leslie's caves should be separated from the rest of the families now Manson and the girls were having their trial together, but Tex Watson was not there yet. They were still trying to extradite him. So it was just Manson girls But when Manson heard about the separating of Leslie's case, he became angry Leslie had not been at both murder scenes. She was only at the labianca murder and there was some debate as to how much she participated in those murders four months after Ronald Hughes disappeared. His body was found in a river the attorney who went in to take his place was going to go in and ask for a mistrial for Van Houten when Court opened though a scuffle took place between the girls and the matrons Leslie Van Houten was refusing to have the new guy as her attorney. She refused to sit down in the courtroom and she hit the bailiffs Manson attorney Irving generic went on talking for five days with his summation to the jury. It was 42 hours of deliberation before the jury gave the verdict. Susan Atkins, Patricia, krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten smiled and talked to each other Charles Manson smiled. Then the verdicts were read California conspiracy off. Any member of a conspiracy was equally guilty of any crimes committed by his co-conspirators. Charlie was the obvious head of the conspiracy and that is how he was found guilty on all counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The girls were all found guilty as well. The jurors then had to continue to be sequestered for the penalty phase of trial to decide life or death sentences in nineteen seventy. There was still a death penalty in California Los Manson shaved his head and then the girls shaved their heads Manson also turned the X on his forehead into a swastika. Charlie gave the girls emission they were going to testify and confess and say that Charlie had nothing to do with it Gypsy Catherine share was in jail at the time and one of the girls from the family when a visit her. She put a piece of paper up to the glass and said that she needed to testify and this is what she needed to say. It said read every word. Charlie is going to be in the courtroom not listening to every word you dig Charlie always used to say to them you dig. In the testimonies from the three convicted girls during the penalty phase. They changed their stories from what really happened to blame each other and themselves, but not Charlie so that they could save his life dead. The jury decided on the death penalty the judge gave Charles Manson Susan Atkins Patricia krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. The sentences. He said for seven senseless deaths some members from the family went to visit Charlie squeaky was one of them squeaky gave asset to the group that was left and told them that Charlie wanted them to show the world how much they loved him. They started around the area of whisky a go-go The Whisky a go-go is an iconic nightclub where many famous rock band started out its near West Hollywood. They crawled all the way from San Diego go to the courthouse. There is film footage of the five of them on the Epix documentary helter-skelter twenty-twenty. They were crawling on the sidewalks and the people all around them looking at them or pointing to them. Catherine shares the police just checked them to see if they had Warren's she was glad she had warrants out for traffic tickets and they took her and Mary Brunner in but the other dog had to keep crawling on. She said that it was okay at first with the acid kicking in but then it became excruciating physically and to be crawling on that cement and four so far. The Manson family was most definitely a cult the kids thought they were in love and peace type family or commune but it was ran like a cult and the people in it had the cult-like devotion. They have loved and complete acceptance at first the love and acceptance from the leader is not conditional like it is in the outside world. At least at first then there is isolation from the outside world. No news or media type influence. Just the leaders influence. No books, except the Bible Charlie goes over the Bible with them. So they know how to interpret it according to him then after a long while there's a period of being treated badly by the leader weather forced sexual encounters belittling someone or physically hurting someone so then the individual is thinking whether consciously or not that they want to get back to that place where they were getting the unconditional acceptance and feelings of love that they were getting before so they are desperate for it and are willing to do anything to get that back to get back to that Tex Watson was eventually tried and was found guilty of seven counts of Murder in the first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. He was sentenced to death dead. All in prison. He became an ordained minister. Bobby bussola was convicted of murder in the first-degree for killing of Gary heinemann and sentenced to death. In 1972, California Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. Stephen Grogan Clem was convicted of murder in the first-degree for the death of Donald shorty Shea in nineteen seventy-seven. He told authorities where Shorty's body was. He was released from prison in nineteen eighty five five. Mary Brunner got immunity for the involvement in Gary Hinman Murder By becoming a witness for the prosecution Patricia krenwinkel is still in prison. Susan Atkins died in prison in 2009 Leslie Van Houten had a retrial and was given Seven Years to Life on January 30th 2019 during her second parole hearing van hit Van Houten was recommended for parole for the third time. But in June 2019 Governor Gavin Newsom overruled the parole board's recommendation claiming the sixty nine year old Van Houten was still a danger to society and had potential for future violence. She appealed the decision in 2020. She was denied parole again. Charles Manson died in prison in 2017 in the early 1980s Steven K who had worked for the prosecution in the trial teamed up with Sharon Tate's mom Doris long as he Van Houten had somehow managed to get over nine hundred signatures on a petition for her parole together Steven K and Sharon Tate's mom Doris collected over three hundred and fifty thousand signatures supporting them denial of Perl Dora state became a vocal advocate for victims rights for the rest of her life. She campaigned against the parole of each of the Manson killers. Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions after the murders unable to Bear any reminders of the. That. He called the happiest I ever was in my life took remained in Los Angeles until the killers were arrested in 1979. His film tests was dedicated to Sharon. A quote from Polanski since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary. My enjoyment of life has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy some people find Solace and religion in my case. The opposite happened any religious faith. I had was shattered by Sharon's murder it reinforced my faith in the Absurd bird. A separate note. I am aware of the controversy in Roman polanski's Life years after this happened, but I feel it has no place here. I wanted to represent the people as who they were were then when this happened as well as soon after or at least as best as I could based on the information I was able to attain The main sources for this two-part episode are as follows. The main source was the brand new Helter Skelter episode documentary that came out in 2020. It's available on Xbox FX. I'm not sure if it'll be available somewhere else sometime soon, but it's definitely worth watching. It's I believe it's six parts. So it's very long and there's a lot of detail and it really took brings you back to that time. What was going on and a lot of interesting information? Another one was Wikipedia, of course always using Wikipedia for lots of different fact. All that's interesting. Com slash authors Gina tomorrow all that's interesting. Com. Will Jack Folk House Key by Natasha. All that's interesting., Gary Hinman by Katie, Serena. And Jeff guinn author of Manson The Life and Times of Charles Manson mainly as he was interviewed in the epics documentary. Thank you for listening and always be safe.
Episode 71: Wellness Check w/ Tierney Finster
"Boss babe. Hi everyone and welcome back to another episode of Boss babe and doing Wellness checks on current babes past babes and all sorts of babes. But this week my wellness check is on T register. Hi, it's me. Hi, it's tyranny. Bitch. It's tyranny bitch. It's 10 a.m. Which I like doing that British more. It's to any bitch. This is a kind of Australian met Jimmy Jame. This has been a great time. I think I'm going to start watching. Saying like accent tutorials on YouTube and try and start just yeah need to dialects. It's so good to do that because you can learn something and like three minutes for free minutes three minutes three minutes. I used to watch videos. It was differentiating between kiwi like a New Zealand accent and an Australian accent and that is very interesting. Yeah, they're very different and Kiwis will get pissed if you think that they're Australian by mistake Australian. Yeah down and when I started practicing the QE dialect, I sort of lost the Australian and me it's really jumbled. I need to study with you. Yeah, I think I was like, this is a really good time to just like do accent work for no other reason than just wanting to do it. I think I was inspired mostly by Ben mendelsohn. I don't know if you were watching The Outsider at all birth. He oh my God. Is he the main actor? Yes. Oh my God. So so sexy it's unreal. I literally am so glad you brought this up cuz I watched that I've only half way through the season I started watching it a couple of months back and just wasn't urgent about it, but it's kind of boring awesome part. Yeah, he is truly a gift that keeps on giving the way he uses his mouth simply is just stunning and that lisp. I can't I like I'm actually like turned on just thinking about salivating. I know I'm literally drooling on myself. I walked around my apartment. Just speaking in a Ben mendelsohn list yesterday. I've never tried. I mean that was definitely the most enthralling part of the whole show, which a lot of my friends are actually really into I just felt like every episode was four hours long so I couldn't walk Really mow through them. Yeah, it's a lot. I was ending up on my phone for like a big chunk of certain episodes. And then I was just like I powered through cuz I wanted to get to the end and I was here for my boy bed. But like he was truly it was the best thing to come out of that and then I did a lot of Ben mendelsohn research cuz I was like, what's his deal? Like where did he come from all the stuff off and he's in the Army. He okay. So he's in a lot of like action movies like and start. He's plays like the villain and some Star Wars movies, I think and like or maybe not I don't know. I didn't like some Star Wars it like that shit like that, which I was like no like miss me. I love him but not that much like I'm not going down that road not enough to watch that. Yeah. No, but then he's in a movie called una with Rooney Mara and it's like an adaptation of a play called Blackbird about this woman in her twenties who finds a man who like molest wage. Her essentially when she was twelve and like goes to confront this man that she like this like they fell in love when she was twelve and he was forty and had this like fucked-up relationship. And so she going to confront him and the movie is like, okay, but he's like very hot in it as well. And he's giving I was going to say that storyline with your neurologist and you said already middle schools Gold. Yeah. It was really the doctor ordered and then I went further down Mendelson Kay Hall and found out that he used to be married to this writer who also dated she seems to be a wild lady. So she dated prior to been Colin Farrell and like wrote a whole bar about her relationship with Colin then she got with Ben they had a kid. They got divorced and she wrote an essay for like I think an Irish or a British publication about like the their marriage falling apart cuz she's a she's a writer director. So she directed him in an indie film with Jemima kirke, which I obviously need to watch it on a watch list, but she yes. Article made me scared. How about been because it was like you never really know what a guy's like until you've talked to like the women that have dated him previously and she painted a portrait. That was like at one point. She said that he wore like really unclear like waxy jeans and that's spoke to me and then she said at one point he went through like he was going crazy one day like cuz he had also is like I think deeply struggles with alcoholism and drug addiction don't we all but like it seems to be like have moments where he'll wild out. More than others and she said that he played the Skrillex song with ASAP. Rocky Wild For The Night like Fifty times in a row one. He loved that song. He loved it. Like he went like full-blown super fan of that song and played it over and over and over and made its way into the essay made its way into that say I'll share the s a plane the patreon link and I'll send it to you too, cuz it's a truly wild ride. I cannot believe it because I didn't know what are Ben mendelsohn came from before Outsider, but I was immediately like trying to tell Brian like this hot to me like he hot to me like I feel like almost you know, I've you get it, right? Oh, I fully got it. And I think it's fair in a relationship. You need to be able to tell your significant other who's hot and why but to send definitely and it's like Also when you should I believe everybody should want or desire all types of people like just because my boyfriend's not like Ben mendelsohn that's unfortunate. But it does mean that also hi. Yeah. I just not exactly either. He was like more I didn't know he had this glamorous Hollywood would like web around him though with you know, sharing women with famous actors as well and big-budget films life. I took him as more of this quaint American character actor. Oh, no, he is no like he is like a mad Playboy I saw wage was like creeping on like Google images and watching old interviews with him and I found a night out that he had with Bono at like Chiltern firehouse and he looked wasted and he was wearing the dog. Jeans and a tee shirt that said I'm a mess in huge letters. Oh my God, you know those diesel. I was like Ben what are you doing working? But it's like that's like, you know, if it Britney Spears would have worn. Yeah. And so then it makes me think like he must be the great. He's a great actor truly because I think of him as like a lisping sad detective like who loves his wife so much and yeah, I think totally was a party boy the relationship with his wife and his own relationship to family is like very compelling and Outsider and it definitely creates this Venn diagram of like who you mentioned Steve Buscemi Mark. Hello, like these kind of really empathetic like learned. They were hot later in life types. Hm that's revealing my crush on stupid dog. It's a big time. We all know that. What have you been watching or like doing to keep yourself sane? I need all the I need all the Tyranny tips and P, right? Okay, so I will admit that this whole year. I've been becoming more homebound than I've ever been at least since like eighth grade and so I sort of like it wasn't as huge of a jolt as it might have been six months ago, even or four months ago or something cuz I was already kind of bragging like I haven't left the valley for two weeks or only to go to Malibu like, you know, I hang out in Topanga Canyon and the valley and I'm like not socializing in the same way Baba blah blah blah. And so I do feel a sense of familiarity would like to admit I've long been wearing Ugg slippers most of the day, but obviously it's a lot different when you have to be here Thursday. I'm pretty into like surrendering. So I definitely get nervous about everything but so far luckily all my family and friends have been safe and healthy a Meg Corona Soul. Like I have just been tapping into that essential nerdy self of mine like the self that's usually too popular to be accessed. Know what I'm going to say, like, I feel like I grew up an only child like just entertaining and educating myself. So it's kind of going back into a lot of those patterns like, you know phone number one reading a lot actually reading books that have been sitting on my you don't want someone you really like recommends you book and you buy it like right away and you just don't get it right away. Yeah. I've been going through some of those. I just finished Outline by Rachel cusk have you read that? No, but I have that some reader sent that to me. And so that was their favorite birthday. So that's been waiting. Okay, cool. I'm going to read that it's super sexy and smart and it's just unlike any books that I've ever read and luckily. It's a Trilogy, which means I'm about to order the next one today. What else did I read? I read this book Exquisite Mariposa by faith in a Dunkin. That was a cool book. You might have known her. She was living in L. She's a ride there and she basically wrote a book about being a little bit older than her housemates and moving into this Koreatown apartment with like five young Femmes and sort of all of their like struggle to tell what's real in the world are not in like honestly a lot of the same themes as outlined, but just totally different style blah blah blah. I also read fleas book cuz I'm an LA Rock God. And you know, what's funny is like I'm like have a slutty side for the Red Hot Chili Peppers and the whole book literally never liked. I kept being like okay two hundred pages in and we still not to Thursday actually Peppers 300 Pages then we're not to Red Hot Chili Peppers. Well, we never really get there which it is just all about end-of-life leading up to it. That's amazing. Yeah song has these really interesting like kind of like in italics. It'll be paired this like flash toward the future. So there are moments where he's writing from the perspective of already having attained some success or whatever in the band, but it's never like we're never with him in the studio or we're never like on tour package. It's definitely not the key to this book, you know? Yeah, right and he wanted I think he literally wrote it Chic. I don't know if that's just crazy. Being naive but I kind of I mean obviously he worked with amazing editors, but I don't think he had a like another writer which not that it's bad too. But I don't know. I just feel like he wrote it off. That's cool. Yeah. I've been curious about that one, too. Okay, so I try to read in the morning and then it took me a solid wake when you wake up in the morning. Yeah, like maybe I'll p and I get back in bed and I am in and like I started a new book in bed today and then only the last couple of days have I been doing yoga at home because like okay like the rush to everybody going live streaming there Guru forwarding their coach is like fuck like it was just overwhelming. It's a lot of being invited to like five yoga classes and like three of them would be at the same time like 9 a.m. On the Saturday or I definitely think it's amazing people are offering resources, especially for your resources and stuff like that. But it just I had to be home for a while before I really gave a shit to do yoga. Yeah. I'm not have had like a part-time job. . At home, I think where it was like right when like, okay. So the last real normal day I had was like March 11th, March 12th, and then wash it all kind of the social distancing started to like really set in so I like stopped up on like wine and like decadent cheese and like charcuterie and then just like with like living the life of like a king and then I realized I was like, oh wait this is going to be going on for a really long time and like What am I going to like? I'm not just going to like eat cheese everyday, right? So then I just had to like so I'm now settling into like, okay, what do I actually need? Like do I really need to go get food or like get groceries? What do I have at home like sort of settling into like a lifestyle, right? Yeah. I stayed home. I started staying home and similar date and I I stayed solidly home for 15 days and aside from just walking around my neighborhood because I had been prepping a bit already like not hoarding or anything but just like, oh, I'm going to buy the larger size, you know, toilet paper whatever instead of just like I'm getting it as I go into your pants literally which one I say, I'm like, I've been at home more it's not cuz I am like anti-social. I feel it's wrong. as I've been literally wanting to like live better, you know, and obviously I'm super privileged to be in a house in the valley where there's like, you know, no one else cuz like my friend who lives in Let's feel as with like. Oh, yeah, I go and walk around my neighborhood, but it's like thirty people, you know, everyone wants to walk in Griffith Park or whatever, but it's really quiet over here. I saw a peacock on my walk the other day which was very beautiful and exciting and like yeah, I mean, I have an office in my house too. So that's where I am right now. So I don't feel like anyone, it's me Brian who's my boyfriend and my parents all quarantining together, which so it's been feeling like Indie movie plot at times is told I was going to say that's like a TV show for sure it is because it's like this way of like our relationship somehow. And some of this is my own like psychoanalytic right early like preoccupation with myself and my family Dynamics but like it's just crazy how like some one person or one relationship can become this like mirror or contrast point for another relationship. But overall I check in on my cousins and their families. It seems like they're all doing way more fighting than us. So that's like pretty peaceful which growing up I didn't always have the most peaceful environment with the same cast of characters. So it's like kind of been really nourishing and like wage peaceful to Travis go at it. And that's also why I like there's groceries, you know, like there's a like a cupboard like just different things. I took for granted, you know, like having a cover going up that's like a bunch of. I want to touch right like yeah some beans and macaroni and cheese or whatever but like just realizing how much abundance there is in these different forms and like being great job. For it and trying to share what I can you know, bring some old lady neighbors some food and I've been cooking a lot which I usually only do once in a while for fun. But you know Alison Roman viral us, but the Carrie Bradshaw of that is so sexy. Honestly like it is like jealous. Yeah, like she's she's a funny one, but my friend gave me her book club at the end of last year. And so maybe last week I made like four things from it. And it's been really fun because the book that I have is called Nothing Fancy and it's like flavors or styles of dishes that I wouldn't go to on my own or like same to construct but the way she does it and nothing is fancy. So it's like so doable especially baking. Yeah, it's really accessible. Like I've made I've made a chicken dish of hers that was like vinegar and like Olive kind of topping on like a one-sheet chicken Panda shove slash and then she has this bucatini recipe that's literally like tomato paste Anchovies and maybe garlic or something and then you just like mix it all up and then put up a teeny. It's really good. That's a good quarantine one cuz that's the kind of stuff in your house. Like like all you really need. I mean if I don't know how long With the pasta landscape and stores is looking like currently but right. Yeah, it's so crazy like how little is available. So I on day sixteen, I guess like maybe over the weekend. I went in the morning to the supermarket and the weed dispensary and those were both outings. Yeah, and I didn't let anyone go in with me cuz I just felt like let me just, you know get my gloves on and go out. So I walk into the weed dispensary. Nobody else is wearing gloves. Nobody is in a mask. There's no hand sanitizer. Like you would not have known as like, this is too much for me right now, Are they only letting one person in at a time? Okay. So in the waiting room usually I don't ever wait there. It's not like a bit it's busy but not in that way where you need to be waiting, but one guy song. Waiting so I thought that I guess that was my clue. That was the one thing they were doing for distancing. But so luckily there was only one guy there when I walked in but as him and I were waiting to walk in fact about for like four groups consisting of like five or six people over all walked in and we're all waiting in the waiting area and I was just like, oh God like involved shooting lavender light around me and all the peaceful the peaceful protection available to me, but it was creepy wage. Yeah, I would like I will go usually on Mondays. I do any sort of errands that I need to do which is either grocery store or post office and life post office feels, especially like just a hot bed for covid-19. Yeah nature people going in there like touching all the pens and like just every Thursday. Has been touched but I realized I like wasn't wearing a mask. I wasn't wearing gloves. I was like actively trying to step away from some men that would come in there and just like stand-alone home and I'm like hello like get a way like literally got away from me, but they'll people don't know. Yeah, some people just like aren't clear on what felt fun letting them know the schedule. I'm like just to like walk away from them and kind of give them a dashing stare. To be like what the hell is your problem? Yeah, I'd be like going to distance myself and I suggest you do the same and we'll both end up being safer in the long run. No, I'm an enforcer boss has in the front yard. There's like large windows from my bedroom looking into the front yard. Is that too much to declare public life, and I love I so my dad and many of it. We all do different activities in the front yard, which is kind of like a crazy Cookie yard. It looks like some hoarder magician lives there but there's like Garden area and some cars and like just I hate this idea that because we're off the front yard that were available to like talk number one. Yeah, but number two without proper distancing and so sometimes I have no problem asserting my own birth. Dreams, but when I overhear like my dad or my mom talking to a neighbor, especially my dad who I feel is more like resist. I mean he complies as he's supposed to but he just like hates the you know hate study you can do whatever you want. Yeah. I have to go look out there like a dog and kind of bark when he is too close to people and that's what gives him the opportunity to back up but I'm like geez you are like beforehand. I dropped my rose quartz for him. He's a chain smoker. My mom is over 60. I'm just like take no chances. Damn. Yeah. I don't understand parents that aren't taking this seriously and I like have a lot of empathy for other other people whose parents are kind of iffy on things because like my I don't think my family like my parents dead. Seem to be taking this very seriously. And so that's been a source of like heavy duty anxiety for me. Yeah. I literally there's nothing I can do. I cannot enforce them and it's just like I guess you have to let them just do their thing. Like I try and send articles or be checking in and stuff. But that's just very frustrating. It's scary because I mean, I hope that we can all come out of this like, I mean, we're not all going to come out of it that way but you and I clearly have been off, you know at home reading where your people who work a lot from home. Anyway, even though I know jobs and professional and creative stuff has been disrupted for both of us, but like It there's parts of this but just feel like a touch base for like the foundations of living which can be really interesting to explore and like iterate around but I just thought we can have that Vibe because it's a privilege to have that Vibe. It's because no one is so directly impacted right now, you know, yeah. No, I feel like insanely grateful for the fact that like my life has been set up the way that it is which is very conducive to like being ordered to stay at home for months on end, like right and like off on the spectrum of being negative negatively impacted like very low on the negative impact scale and also it's like weirdly it all feels very nice synchronistic in a lot of ways because I've been struggling so much with like working on a book proposal and carving out time to do it and it literally is like the universe is making it impossible for me to knock off. Work on this project. So it naturally is just like I'm getting like a lot of writing done as well. So and it literally tell you will pandemic and like a government order of stay home to get me to like sit down and write a single sentence you like don't die everybody. I'm cooking up something amazing here in Hollywood. I know well announced three orders went off and I hope that you all live long enough to at least pre-order the book. I really relate though because like I was joking obviously when I'm being like I'm so proud so it's hard to stay home. But it's like they're it's just so crazy how much time things take and I've you know me like from working like I've just always been such a like. I'm an overachiever. I have endless energy, you know, I can maintain careers that are like They work together, but they're kind of separate. You know, like I'm always been really comfortable feeling like I can do it all and only in the last year through like different versions of changing relationships run doing things. I'm like, honestly that's just shows how much I expect from myself and that like I just because I can like be a really busy person or a very booked person doesn't need that that's going to be the most conducive to me doing what I love the most the best, you know, or enjoying that process the most so I'm glad that you find yourself with more time to like walk right? Because I I just think that sometimes writing can be really quick and like natural and other times it can only feel like that after you've been spending literally hours getting in a Vibe and like and it takes you can't do that. It's going to take me I think a while to get into a Vibe We're Young. Like the voices in my head aren't ignited into like fighting the writing process like cuz it's so it's just something I haven't done consistently and so long like pretty much since I wrote the white girl problems book. So it feels like there's just so much doubt and like self-consciousness and all these kinds of demons that I have to like just mentally ward off but I'm glad to have the next month wish to just like get into the groove and prove to myself that this is something I'm very capable of doing again and like sit with discomfort and figure out what that means and like process it took my own time. So it's a real it's a real mental exercise as well as just like a habit forming exercise of like getting into a writing Groove exactly. I think year so capable and like you have such Amazing Stories to Tell and I think the big one it's just such a challenge to like sit and well, yeah sit and believe in yourself and also like for me at least I just want things to be amazing as they spit out of me and with writing you really know that everything we read and love Of so much or watch that has been taken from a screenplay has been worked on so much and like this. I think we're both in different ways working on first drafts of some kind right now. It's just like that experience feels just so thankless because it's not even going to be that good. Yeah, you like you just like work hard only to feel like such an idiot at the end of some like some sessions. We were just like am I even smart do I understand the English language? Like how did I get this far in life? Like it's like so many thoughts. Oh, that's a huge thing. Like, I mean this question of like am I I mean, it seems vulnerable to share honestly, but it's just like for any writer but maybe for any person the whole world like everyone thinks everyone's wondering if you're smart enough to actually do what you want to do and I think with writing there is an elitism in, New Jersey. Actualism like this I grew up wanting to be like a great writer and like I really valued some of these methods of like thinking and organizing reality and language education and aspiration. Like I just bought into a lot of stuff that I actually don't think I need to buy into you know what I mean? Like, I know there's just like a huge ego part of me that is so afraid to work on a book project because I just want it to be like a certain caliber of booked in my head or whatever. Oh the reality is fake. Like we love reading. I mean, I read like we I think he gave it to me like we both on a copy of stassi Schroeder's but like if she gets a but everybody's getting a book like I went into a bookstore a week or so before quarantine and like a lot of really smart brilliant friends, but like, you know you too and you already have extremely successful books, but just off We can look in a store and see a bunch of people we know with books in there. Yeah, it's like not I mean to even just have a book. It's an accomplishment. So but there comes a point like added pressure of having it just be like like you said you want it to be like the best like everyone is just like Blown Away by like how real and amazing and deep your suckers and then it's like I'll get in my head and I'll just be like, well, there's no way like, I just don't have enough bylines. Like I haven't written anything for the New Yorker like maybe I'm just a July cash it off like comedy like satire writer, but not even that like, it's just and you can spiral out into this like comparison of your project versus like other people's trajectory is the den just like will destroy me from the inside out. So then it's like you have to just remember What you're capable of and like the impact that your words have on people that love to read them because that's all you can really like focus on wage control. Hope for but play taking it really simply like you will love to read my book. Yes. I will love to read your book. Yeah, like it's really as simple as that and I think most people like we I mean for me at least I literally have imagined hater we've talked about it before like with writing especially like with screenwriting. I don't feel like I'm not as worried about being smart because I don't think Spike. I don't know. I think I'm smart enough to be a screenwriter, but I'm like do I actually know the language of like sharing these stories the appropriate way for this box and then I don't know just like for you like you already for books and stuff like you have a community that's listening right now. That's so down to read. Whatever you write Watch em. Ever you work on like listen to whatever you share and that's really beautiful. Yeah, I'm grateful for them. So we're check us out next year babes. Yeah, twenty Twenty-One. We all thought it would be this would be the year, but actually it's ninja gear which is kind of like it's funny. Like I had all these aspirations for like my podcast and like just posting events and like interviewing and live stuff right like installation and kind of Vibes events and everything and I was like them so fun. I really want that like I did a small version of it and wanted more and I was like, okay, I'm going to be turning toxic Coachella to your inbox at this tree types of this. I'm like, okay Siri talks at home. There's literally nothing like it's not this year, you know like these things that you were kind of maybe hoping to our all day long. It's like why don't you just see what it's like to write down a piece of paper something or open a Google doc and like what is Lara just want to write like without all the pressure of like Cuz I think you and I are similar where it's like even it's like you need to do the podcast you need to do administrative work for the podcast like in a typical time, you know, you need to go run errands or have me change things are like we're just all trying so much all the time and like I don't think that's conducive to the like writing as much as this moment right now. Not at all. It's like God I can I will literally do anything instead of writing like I'd rather just like scrub out my bathtub or like literally find any sort of chore to do so long to take away all those outside distractions and like even as podcast stuff and like the live shows were ramping up and I had like a trip planned like there were a lot of exciting stuff that I was looking forward to but all of it was going to come at the cost of not writing or turning in any work to like my book agent, you know what I mean? So right off it feels like an organic like let's just stop and also I think it's harder and you experienced this too. Cuz like I know that you you're writing is like really personal and like I think you said that you want to do that are really personal feels almost harder to take time and like write about yourself rather than like right about something else or write an article about something or research. Yeah. Yeah or review something the emotional aspect but it's I kind of wanted to ask you about that myself cuz I think I've done a lot of like this one specific thing. I'm really he's working on her. Like I had a really similar experience to you where like even before any distancing was announced. I was like no matter what I'm taking two weeks off of my job in April and I'm writing this every day because I deserved it off and just do you know all about like for me I think because this particular project is personal and is take its really like a reflection on the last ten years of my life. More in this way. It's like I don't have as much clarity as to just it's like the characters are the themes or the emotions like everything gets richer because of that but the task of organizing it into this like digestible container whether that's a book or a movie or one story whatever it's like life feels like there's so much. It's such a rich world and like Bank of experience that like dilute not diluting it but just distilling it into these forms is like it's so much harder for me to do than to like write a six thousand word journalism feature or something. Yeah, I think just the personal nature of it and you like want you know, the what you want something to feel like and like how you want a reader to feel but then it's also like your own life. So you want to be like representing wage. Accurately at your experience. It's like so many different things to balance together. She believed in and out come like do you believe in not someone told me one time like don't read the genre that you're working Within? Do you believe that honestly, I don't think so. Like I feel like it's good research to start to read other people's work that's like relates to yours to to kind of self teach because like I didn't go it's not like I went to like I wasn't like an English major, you know what I mean? Like I did not study writing in college and like certainly have like gone in and out of periods of writing but not enough to develop like a very like specific practice. So I feel like it helps to read other people's work for me. I mean, I don't want to copy their voice. That's the only thing I'd be worried about but I don't think that I could even do that with like writers that I love like I wouldn't be capable of that cuz it's just not my riding style. Yeah. It's interesting and also even like I've been reading a lot of birth. As and then laugh like I and you know, whether it's like a personal essay or a memoir something. I'm a working on them are but let's just saying like it's still could be close to what I'm writing. But I'm just hearing their voice so clearly that I'm not thinking about it as much you know, I don't know. I don't really think like I just read Cyrus Grace Dunham's Memoir. We have like that Year Without a name. It's so good. I really really love it. Like I don't know. I just thought it was really fun sexy honest like it has all these intense teams and intense life events and kind of like self reckonings, but it also is just like the way that Cyrus relates to themselves life the way that they share their inner voice is super enthralling and like like when someone can be that real with them self, it is something that I like. You know, I just like think its sexy when people are so honest totally and I think also reading like even what you said about fleas book how long there's italicized moments of flashing forward. I think stylistically when you see that kind of stuff like for me it inspires me to come up with my own like unique ways of stringing together ineffective. Yeah. So real like you just need to know what exists so you can play with it and like really trying to like work as a screenwriter more than I've never have. I it's not like I have specific scripts that I turn to every day or something but like it's really important for me to read and reference scripts because I have this whole like Patriarchal like feeling of separation from the four more like, you know what I mean just like screenwriting I think can be a very like broey segment of writing because I can be like people can be camera obsessed or like just the technical nature of like the formatting. It just makes me feel outside of it, even though that was literally off major in college, which is also stupid. But yeah, so it's good to look around. I like it. Yeah and especially for screenwriting. It's like it's all structure like you have to kind of know how to play Within that very specific. Yeah sure and right so even if I studied it, I don't feel like I know it. Yeah and like it's like you have to mince words so often and like find a way to say what you want to say with like as little fluff as possible, which is challenging. Walker's, like when I dream of like, you know, I would love to write a book of essays and when I do that, you have the power to include to be beautiful with the way they use language and you can achieve some of that like Grace or style or humor and screen writing but it's not about language being beautiful. It's about like a world beautiful or you know what I mean? You're you're just looking at it so differently. Yeah. It's a real show Journey instead of a tell journey. I do watch a lot of them come off that I've only been reading during this shit know, what are you watching? I need to know at all. Okay, so I have a private tree which is like going back to Bravo shows and this is a practice in general where like, I haven't caught a particular season or two. And so then I go back and re-watch it on Hulu and it's just so so long Painting for me and I've been watching season 7 of Orange County Housewives, which is when Brooks comes into the picture with the Vicky adrift your character. It's just so good. It's also the first season of Heather Dubrow being on the show. And you know, I just I just love her I love her. I love her and it's Terry, right? Yes. Yeah. I love her husband so much. Like I'm very totally three-way them. Oh one hundred percent off. I'm very aware. I love I hope all the readers know that I could play you like sexual T. You know, I just love you know me your triggers. Yeah, Okay. So yeah, I watch Tiger King very viral and I've definitely enjoyed that I love song. Groomed it's documentary on HBO about creative dog painters. Oh, yeah, I've been circling that I've like so little like picture for it on. Yeah. Yeah, I watch better things with Pamela Alden or Advil and I guess on FX. It's really good mother daughter stormed what I have my other main shows right now. Well, I watch a Bravo show every night of the week right now. I got to be honest. I was 11 below deck sailing yacht. I watch Vanderpump. Of course, I watch summer house. I watch Top Chef I watch I watch the new show Family Karma. How is family Karma? It's pretty good. I mean I love like I love a new group to get to know it's a group of people like Indian like thirty year old. I would say they're all like thirty-somethings with a couple of characters in their twenties that are off first-generation Indian Americans living in Miami, which I think is a really really sexy part of the show. I just live for South Florida Vibes in general totally off and then I also really like it because of the kind of the closed nature of the community there and also because some of them live at home that the parents are also life and Echelon of characters in the universe of the show too and they have their own drama with involving the kids and not and it's really good like well I may watch that cuz I was like, I've been intrigued ever since I started to see the previews for it and then I need a new Bravo show. It's nice. It's like feels comforting on Tuesdays and Wednesdays off. Have Vanderpump and then some our house but I need I need yeah. Yeah, and hey, if you don't catch it till the next day over lunch for one that's good too. You know what need to be prepped like family, It feels like an extra treat summer house used to be this way for me. But now I'm like really into it where like I I don't need to watch it the minute the errors long do some programs, but just knowing it's there for me right now is just like so good. Yeah. It's a security blanket. I also watch Shahs of Sunset as I may have mentioned in like I'm really in favor of Bravo expanding their repertoire of shows to include as many individual ethnic groups and subcultures as possible. So yeah, I can't wait really tell me up from here. It is only up from here for Bravo. I think they're really Thrive through this they have a lot of time to develop new ideas right now. So let's hope that they use their quarantine wisely. I would love to see an ensemble of armenian-americans on a Bravo show. Yeah, I would love to see like Bravo's version of like a Kardashian ask family. Yeah solely from Armenian perspective. It does not have they don't have to. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they're the bottom of the barrel of the Armenian community. We've got we got better SARS. Yeah, I'm I say we I'm not I'm not Armenian by any means. I don't want to watch a show of Irish people, which is what my ethnic background is. How long did you watch the new? Are you watching the new season of keeping up? Oh hell yeah 9 p.m. Thursday. Oh my God. I cannot believe that Kim and Kourtney got into a physical altercation. The best part is like crack me. I loved I loved it. I couldn't get enough of it. Can't wait for him to continue this coming week. But like I love it's one thing to just like react and hit somebody, you know, I mean not saying that that's typical but just like to be like like stop or something like that or something one or like a light slap if they're in close proximity and they're pissing you off is like I've done that especially I can see it among siblings who have grown who you literally like grow up being comfortable with that kind of thing. But the fact that there was already like a beat big and then Kim really got to feel like noticed the marks in her arm and was like, this bitch really is digging at me the fact that she likes printed at her and like when Relentlessly D'Amore. That was just everything that was shocking. I think it's I'm shocked and I think it's the most babe Behavior to get into a brawl like as an adult. I just I'm like, whoa, that takes takes a true babe. But then on camera to do that feels like a real like break from the norm. You know, Chris was so relieved when that happened because it made the Hawaii that something to cheese. Yeah wait, but also cause I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with Kylie just being like I'm sick and like I'm not going to show up to something that truly had to be like a huge business deal between was huge huge like that is not like a it's like a thing where unless you are literally on your deathbed you go but since she's a billionaire, it's like she has no they she doesn't give a fuk. He's like my throat sore not going and like, you know what I couldn't take to wait. Sorry finish know and then just Chris's desperation of offering her kids cash. I was like, wow. Well, that was incredible and hurting like I feel so weird. Yeah. She's like so weird asking you this law, but please do it. Like she would have literally given them like suitcases off. What about when someone says she should do it and kept goes. Oh, they'd have to roll her out. So I mean I thought that was ridiculous. I remember Kylie not doing it cuz I remember I follow like Victoria one of her her former assistant and friend and she liked them being haughty Instagram influencer, but that's the former assistant. Yeah. Okay Chris assistant good to know. Okay. I have a lot of questions but go ahead cuz this is now getting into okay go go down. Yeah, well basically like at the time that this happened Stasi baby her life, you know long-time friend and fellow Instagram and you know, they have matching body work done. Victoria and Stasi were in Paris and I it's like I don't follow the Kardashians because I just click on them for a digest whenever I feel like it instead of like seeing it all the time, but I follow these tracks even more nobody's and then I they were like, we're in Paris on behalf of Kylie Cosmetics. Kylie isn't here at the Beaumont show, but we are and we're going to be show, you know, like I'm not doing their best to like jump in and activate social on behalf of Kylie. And so when the episode started I was immediately like she's not going to show up. She's not going home. I remember how to like watching that show like looking on like Vogue Runway or whatever and like just reading that like Kylie wasn't even there. And the thing is when you do a business deal with literally anybody in this day and age, I mean obvious nature like even if it was with like a micro micro micro person who has found nowhere near the following of even if you know even to a somebody with 5,000 followers these deals when it's like just like multi-faceted like production activation page like they want no matter who you are. They want you there and posting and to be a face of it and like for Kylie like who gives a thought about Kylie Cosmetics that whole deal was really just to have I mean from Beaumont perspective is to have Kylie there. Yeah be photographed a billion times and like, you know have all that and moments all over Paris and probably suggesting parties and like generating dinners, really and I'm in still in a State of Shock about the not showing up dead. Even have a a camera on her like she couldn't have even selfie videoed herself. Like why the hell is that whole storyline when there's no app like Chris has to carry the whole resolution of the story on her own because Kylie can't be bothered to film herself saying how sick she is. Let alone have a real camera there. Yeah. I'm like home feels something. It's something ain't right. You know, she wasn't that sick. She was probably nervous to walk down the runway. She probably just like it was either nervous to walk down the runway or she had some sort of like my like conspiracy theory that I've come up with just personally is that she had some sort of procedure done, like maybe weeks or a month in advance or something and then something went wrong or maybe she got some sort of infection and that had to be dealt with which is why she couldn't even be on camera off. Cuz especially if it was like a facial tweak like say she got threads or something or like write a little filler touch up, but then like I feel like it's something along those lines that's really interesting perspective because it's like why can't you just show us and as for the site that was like the mini site before the real fight where Kendall insinuates that she can show up right or die babe. Nice. Try go watch the twenty years before you were around of the show like or like in an adult way because they're Kim and Khloe that you can say what you want about them. And so many ways like I mostly am sick of making their like that. They paint themselves almost black almost every day that kills me and Jose discuss me, but these bitches work hard they show up they go above and beyond for their job and that is a huge reason why they're so successful. And so it's like I get Kendall being laid off. You don't know I show up but it's like babe. You don't show up the same way, like know you'll never know what these two went through. Yeah, they laid all the groundwork like because they showed up to everything is why you are now doing what you do a hundred percent and like you will never have been as hungry for like you can I don't know I think like I just don't think you can be as ambitious if you already have so much available like you can still Aspire or have goals or whatever but like not the cardassians were like hacking for money or security or something. But like they just literally like weren't famous or weren't you know, chemists still like has I'm sure like marks that are like her goal to achieve. I mean, we see it with like the law stuff like I just feel like they when they were born on a reality show and so famous and so they'll never like don't like you already said she's a dog You know, why does she care about upsetting bomb on for 1 minute? And I'd like him who worked her ass off to be acknowledged by the fashion Community Kyle. He's already been known as like a little Swagger are whether you believe it or not, you know, so she had a one. Yeah, she doesn't know cares, but now after that episode then I've started going into like watching like Kylie's YouTube videos, which then has led me to Stasi babies YouTube channel. Oh, yeah. Now I'm trying to learn the whole cast of like Kylie's friends and their own know so Fascinate. Okay. Wait, I like cuz I'm trying to figure them all knowledge. I know most of them. Yeah, like sassy, baby. I'm now she's like her she's a conic also. She like I love her too because she has a YouTube channel. She like films blogs for but she kind of like she tries but not that hard and I think she doesn't really understand wage. You guys hey Vlog every day like it's saying like Hey to her Vlog which is like and you can tell that she just shoots stuff and sent it to an editor who like puts together videos for her, but I'm still obsessed with her home and like she she's on she has to be like on Kylie's payroll. Yes. For her I don't believe so. Okay, but there's unimaginable perks. I mean, I don't know like cuz her and Kylie have been best friends since like sixth grade or something and one of my entrance points into like this cast of characters is just like knowing that they were like, you know, they're definitely younger than me but like just Valley girls like they're all like calabashes or even like Tarzana like just Rich Valley girls. I forget what stassi's Dad does but he's like, maybe I don't know actually but like she comes from a wealthy family. I just like how she's like this like, I forget her full last name, but she just gives me like Eastern European pornstar, you know? Yeah, she's Greek her last name is like cat in iqaluit or something like that. But yeah, I definitely do like a Eastern European like and her and Kylie have exactly the same body work done. Yeah, and they go like, you know that they get plastic surgery together cuz Stasi will dock some of her plastic surgery Journeys on her YouTube and like Kylie went with her to go get Lasik once so I'm like the best thing in most fun thing to do if you're going to have plastic surgeries get it with one of your best friends. What should we get? I'm ready when you are. I mean I have this will definitely probably be like where I inject first, so I cannot wait to just get a hot load of Botox to the yeah offices all over and like just a filler which is like spray dick me down with filler. Well who doesn't watching people who have like, I love watching videos of people who don't get rhinoplasty, but who use filler to sculpt the knows. It's so miraculous to me. It's really miraculous. But apparently it's it can be incredibly dangerous because you have so really veins and blood vessels like in your nose that it's just not necessarily like widely advised. Like I asked my stepmother who I get any time that I'm like in Oklahoma. I'm always trying to like go over to her office and get injected with something. Thing and I'm asking about the nose jobs and that's what she was saying is that it's just like a lot of there's just a lot of blood vessels and veins that's crazy to be careful and you have to like and there's that's the whole thing too with any sort of injectables that you really have to know what you're doing so you don't like hit vein. Wow, I that's too crazy. I don't want it. Should I tell you a couple more? Yeah, I want to know. Yeah, Victoria Victoria has a sister right? Jacob Sartorius. Yeah, Sophia. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say Sarah but it's Sophia. Yes. Yeah. This is the bad bitches Club. You know, I mean, I I want to go to Cabo at these girls same I want to go and say hey, yeah and I do believe that Kylie picks up all the vacations and she provides them with clothes to wear like Saucy like no, I don't think so. She's getting paid by Kylie but in my she will Kylie has a habit for twinning which I do think is very editorial. So like for Instagram, you know, she wants to not just have a Chanel outfit for her if she wants one for Stasi so that they're in the snow together and they're both in the Chanel like that kind of thing smart. Yeah, Victoria hasn't been her assistant for like a year or a year and half But form really she was the assistant for like at least three or four years and probably when she was like eighteen or nineteen herself, you know on and then off this show is really really bad. But if you watch you can see her in episodes of Life of Kylie and then so like stubs his more her friend from like when her and Jordan were friends to like that old school group and then the cyst like Victoria came in and then now she just has her own platform enough where like she's doing bikini Colour labs and like she has moved on, you know, but she's still really close to Kylie which I think is cool because like Steph Shep or like some of those Kim's more Fame former assistants, like they they might be cool like in fate or Instagram land, but they're not like actually hanging out, you know hmmm my Facebook page. Of Kylie's crew and so yeah, Victoria sisters Sophia and she's really hot. Like I really like House of Felix. Yeah, they're both black hair. They're both quarantining right down with stassi baby, right? I don't know if they moved into her house or what other than yeah. Oh wow. And then my favorite is Yuri Spong who is Latina women who is part of this crew? I don't know if you've seen her. Yeah. I saw her and Kylie's most recent like most likely to say yo. Oh, yeah, we're there like isolated to fold up people like each other's faces. Also, they like love getting wasted. It's so they're so like perfectly twenty-two years old cuz it's still just like love to like drink and it's like fun, like you're not getting like brutally hung over to where you're questioning your entire life and like want to die. You're just like being hot bath shocking taking shots and like joking about being wasted. Well, they only drink like was it called 1800 or something like yeah, they're drinking like top shelf tequila off. Yeah. It's like in that pretty bomb at older, definitely not 1800 that's like actually like shittier. I think whatever they're drinking is like really looks good. I always kind of like phone number bottle that's like tall and triangular. I think it's 1942. Yeah, but it's called. Yeah Kyle. He's definitely fun just off. In a gossip way like we're doing you know, it's because like she drinks more than like Kendall per se or like I also like like Kendall probably gets drunk like a fashion party after killing yourself all week in Paris, right and like surrounded by the top tier of her industry and whatever and Kylie gets drunk with her friends in the stock radio at her makeup blab like in Calabasas, you know, like and goes home after like I love that about it and I Khloe and Kylie did a video where they're taking shots while doing their makeup. Hmm. It's super dumb. But I just like the cuz like Kris Jenner drinks so much like just show us how much you said everybody that would make reality t a lot more interesting. Yeah, cuz especially on Keeping Up with the Kardashians there rarely pictured like the only one that really like people lean into them. Drunk is like Chris and then every once in a while, like there was like last season. Chloe got drunk in Vegas or whatever. Yeah, but like it's not it's not like Vanderpump where it's just like they're mainlining booze at every hour of the day, which is just amazing like the way that those people can like pregame and drink and drink the next morning and then drink with dinner last night it just yeah, it's just not cold. Let's do a little bit of reader mail showing please am okay. My grandpa is bathing out Dear Laura long time. First time. My grandpa has me in our entire family in a place of Nuka off a very Boolean 88 years old and splits his time between a home and Florida and a home in Western, Illinois. He and his girlfriend. Also 88 have been live laugh loving a snowbird journey in Florida during the winter time. And but then Corona hit and they both started spiraling into total babe Ka hole for a few days. They kept hinting to us that they wanted to travel back to Illinois because quote at our age you need to be close to the medical facilities and doctors that know you unquote. We were all like no grandpa. That's fucking crazy. His girlfriend kept saying she needed to go home so she could do her taxes wage. They had tickets to go home today, March 24th. Take a peek pandemic hellscape, finally Sunday night. They insisted they would be driving home and we're going to stop at a hotel somewhere with my dad and my aunt. This is my paternal grandpa had been trying to persuade him not to do this that the risks were not worth it and was irresponsible. Apparently, of course, we're hearing this third hand his girlfriend's children things that they think it's a marvelous idea. My grandfather completely refused to even speak to my mom when she tried to talk to him. She is formidable and he knew he could not sustain the wrath of such a daughter-in-law. Finally my aunt and uncle said that they would leave it from Chicago in a rental car and meet them halfway and Chattanooga. So the four of them could drive through the night so they wouldn't be further exposed. But of course, they would still have to stop and use the bathroom and get gas then Instant Karma struck. My grandfather came down with a severe case of vertigo early in the morning before they were set to leave and had to be admitted to the hospital and is not safe to drive home. Even though I'm freaking out about him being in a hospital. It was so relieved the night before I was trying to convince my dad to hire someone on Craigslist to go over and slash their tires. So this is my question my dad and aunt have the same impression that this is all my grandfather's girlfriend's idea. This is completely out of character for my stoic rational conservative grandpa. So should I call this page. And shame her I want to call and ask her how she will feel her selfish demands result in depriving me my brother and cousins of our one remaining grandparent I'm pissed is this idea babe or a baby song? Help this babe in need. Wow. Wow, I mean, I think it's probably both of their ideas like it seems like they're both gung-ho about being psychos right now. So I would think it's I think it's easier to blame her since you're hearing third-hand that like she and her family are the ones encouraging this Behavior, but your grandfather also has the capability of being like, you know, we're staying in and like having a sensible reaction to this. So I'd say he's at just as much at fault. I would say call him and not to go off but to like I definitely am more comfortable with anger than like fear or sadness expression wise but like channeling your true emotion of concern fear and love for your grandpa and like really speaking him directly about that and how often leads into your considerations with Corona. I think it could be effective. Yeah, and I think that's the most that you can do like ultimately name is a really interesting lesson and how much control we don't have over anything but ourselves and right that's a lot to Grapple with cuz I know I hate like the unknown and like I'm very like risk-averse and a lot of ways and so it just is It's been a constant like confrontation of the unknown during this time. So it's a real like mental gymnastic. But yeah, I agree with tyranny call your grandfather. He's the one that you really are like having all the worried about. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, I mean, I also do really like what you're saying though is like emphasizing that you can only control yourself off during this time because I definitely struggle with like the legacy of codependency that I'm sure you can relate to that cultivates from like certain elements of your parents or whatever just being like crazy and then you're used to worrying about them or like worrying about what's going on or something and like for me that definitely creates a lifelong pattern of just like being so quick to like worried about not necessarily give advice to but like wanna correct the people I love the most because I'm like worried for them, but like birth That could just make you so resentful and anxious. So like just give yourself something extra loving today to like think about that shows just the part of you that's not connected to anybody, you know home. Mhm. Yeah Sound Advice. I hope that your grandpa recovers from his vertigo and then stays home in Florida where he belonged. If I had to buy one covid-19 handle, what would it what should it be assumed money is No Object. Thanks that kind of assumption fuckyour. Just feel like getting us both off right now dear reader. Wow. Yes, I love of money is No Object candle purchase. It's safe to assume if money is no option. Okay. Well, here's a news flash is that dip teak is doing there, of course in like a retail downward spiral, so they're not willing as most places are and offering like crazy discount. Well, they're not offering discounts, but they are releasing their archives starting yesterday when you guys will listen to the starting March 30th through like April 6th. So all this week they're going to be releasing I guess like old archived sense of candles that you can't get any more so than What I've been keeping an eye on I would say like wow by a handful of those and just try some new scents. Can we ask the like another version of that passion which is like what would you advise if money is like kind of thing on our mind right now because of all the work shed? Yeah, I would say. Honestly, there's good candles in like the PIAA. Okay. So the PF candles in the metal tins, I've really lost those. I find that they have a better throw than the one in like those little Amber mason jars. Yeah. There's some like say de France candles. That you can get on Amazon. I think they're in like the $25 range and those are really good. I always am recommending people to get the Japanese kin Scandal. Um, what else is good even like if you wanted to do like a small like the mini dipti cuz I think are only like twenty or thirty dollars, but even I'm now note saying I'm like sites like Poshmark. There are people selling them for cheaper than that and they are smaller. But if you wanted still like to feel a sense of that luxury, that could be a good option. Nice, I'm looking up. So I have I have like an Amazon storefront that I started and I just started like putting down every candle in. My storefront that I would like want to try. Let me see and make an idea less. So I'm looking now to see like what the more sensibly priced walk-ins are. Oh, I'm looking at this data France that your recommendation already. It's looking pretty good. Yeah, that's a good one. I've really enjoyed that. It's a great throw off like feels luxury to me. I'd say also like the volume Spa moso bamboo candle is one of my favorites and that ranges from like you can find out from like twenty to thirty dollars depending on what size do you want to buy and you can get for like $33 or something. You can get a huge one. I want to try that because I really like dead. Yeah, that line of candles. It's always done me good for most every cent I've tried but I haven't experienced the bamboo yet. Yeah, apparently, it's Disney's favorite candle. So he loves a cluster must be Luxe. Yeah, but also if money is truly No Object I would suggest a check out perfumer ages candles. They're like prohibitively expensive and they're also like they smell amazing. I know friend of the Pod XT is not really into them. So I've smelled a couple from them and he bought one called Ivy that's like insane but they are like $150 a pop maybe more in some cases. So if you're really looking to like Drop a lot of cash on one candle. That could be a good option. I would love to try a Frederic Malle candle. Have you ever had one of his I haven't and I've been told by a lot of trustworthy candle heads that they're top-notch off. The the perfumes are just so nice like amazing. It's a goal of mine to own one. So the candles must be pretty good too. And I think they're on the price you said? Yeah, I think they're like $90 which is a lot just because it's also like still a relatively small but I'm looking at says a summer night on the Riviera where the Milky comfort and spice of Gardenia and the day gives way to a green fruity freshness at dusk. Yes, please. Yes. Have you been have you been burning anything recently. So, I'm actually at a juncture where I have just like I gotten I've gone through so much like aromatherapy products and the last and like the first three months of the year. I thought I had a better Supply. I've been burning this field in sense or no yield in census. I got confused cuz you love the field. I love rainy. Yeah, but how are they filled in census? I was kind of underwhelmed by their candles. I have to be honest, so I haven't tried it's good to know because I haven't tried the candles but I've tried two of the incentives and I've restocked one of them I picked it up at other wild in La like the it's kind of a red dead. Box of incense and like I didn't realize that it was organized by different Architects. So like then I kind of laughed at myself that I'm like, oh, I love a Frank Lloyd Wright incense off, but but it smells like like they say like kind of like a Dusty Dusty Rose laundry. It's like someone's home in La Basin. I don't know like very it smells really good. And the other one I have is called like a Veals or so. That one's called. Right and that reveals is like I'm probably saying it wrong with like gloves and grass and something a little smoky and also maybe great crude. I think the long story short is I really really like the incense enough that I was considering the jungle. But if you say that they're not too impressive. I'm not going to bother they don't have the best throw and they're kind of expensive for what they are is my opinion cuz I think the candles off And from like I want to say like 40 to $60 or something. Yeah, it's like considerable considered like the Valeska and everything. Yeah. The incentives from right is $15 which comes with like at least? I think it's 12 or 15 sticks. So and it says luxury to me like I like spending a little bit more money on incense and then having them like like I Savor that and that feels Lux, but like spending money on a candle that isn't really doing it for you is like a terrible know. This is the most I've ever spent on incense. Like I was always pretty happy with like a $5 lavender incense or Japanese Jasmine or you know, some of those brands that are only like five or seven bucks. But yeah, like this is warm notes of Desert Rose sand and Amber. Oh, yes, and I just love it. This is my favorite one. The other one I tried is like the moral me1 and it's good. But this right it makes me feel like I'm in the coziest like sexiest Air B&B Fantasy song. I love okay. I'm going to do one more reader mail the yeah the phrase me chills and it will end on a high note cuz this is a great one. I just wanted to write you a love and light tail needs most trying of times about how babe changed my entire life for the better the Story begins almost exactly one year ago when I listen to episode you had with guest Chris black, but first a little backstory during college, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and developed a co-occurring bulimia disorder in an effort to manage my mood and cell phone booth with an artificial sense of control eight years later and I was managing the bipolar part of things but the eating disorder was raging on like a real Insidious bitch during the episode was CB he said well, I'm cussing him kicking a persistent and severe drug habit something along the lines of I stopped one day because I didn't want to let it keep me from doing the shit. I wanted to do it was one of those Light breaking through the clouds. Up in your tracks moments. I couldn't stop thinking about how my eating disorder was keeping me from doing all the shit. I wanted to do so after eight years. I stopped being bulimic like that day after about a month. I decided to go on a celebrity Tori solo trip to DC while there. I went on Tinder and matched with a bunch of guys who all felt exhaustingly high maintenance then after about 25 matches. I saw another one everything about him spoke to me from his cute glasses to his curly hair to his job lawyer his name also rhymed with mine which felt like fate I went to message him and sauce was over a thousand miles away. My heart dropped. I put the phone down and spent the next half-hour thinking about him. I finally messaged him because I knew I would regret it. If I didn't he messaged back and it turns out we passed each other in the airport with me flying into town and him flying back home to Texas to be with his ailing grandmother. We texted all night all day and by the time I flew home, I was pretty sure I was in love with him. After years of fearing commitment, I was suddenly telling my shocked and nervous mother that I had met the man. I was going to marry after a few days of talking non-stop. I booked a flight to Austin from Boston took a 6-day first date with a man. I'd never met in person before babe. He was waiting for me at the airport with flowers. And we said I love you to each other that night. It was the most perfect week of my life and he showed true depth of his Romance by standing in the laxative aisle with me. When I got Travelers tummy on day three, we did long distance for six months until my lease was up and I moved to DC to a Sheikh luxury apartment. We picked out to each other. It's been a year since I listen to that episode of the Pod and this year. I traveled to Europe with my best friend traveling with people with something. I was always afraid to do because of my eating disorder. I moved to a different city that I was promoted at work and just received a substantial raise and I got to fall in love for the first time with a supportive partner who was bisexual Brew positive and truly the cutest man I've ever seen, babe. Apologies for the long letter, but you and your podcasts have not only giving me laws but have changed my entire life and I will be forever grateful to you for that. My absolute Queen. Oh, can you even deal with that email? Chills and tears. I'm so happy for this reader. I'm so happy for her. She also sent pictures of her and her man's and they're so together. I'm dying. Wow. So happy that look at how that happens. When you show up for yourself to like you were celebrating your own achievement off top, you know, like and that ushered in so much and yeah, it's like even making like a tiny change which I guess stopping being bulimic is not know tiny change, but I mean, it's just like a domino effect. Well, it's all kind of like a secret change in a way because it's not something that you're like, it's like those are the kind of changes that are the craziest to make because you're not really the You're the one that can fool yourself or that can betray yourself without having to be accountable to others. So it's just that much more impressive and amazing that you're on this healing path and look how amazing that community of readers is. I love it. I love that gave me truly just like chill like full body chills. Thought I read it first this morning and then even re-reading it now. I was just like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with your life for you. You gotta raise babe on top. I know I got it. Oh girl. Boston are mixed. Right and that apartment sounds nice. Yeah really off on all cylinders girl Hi Well, Tierney and I are going to get into a bonus episode here in a little bit. But tyranny, thank you so much for joining me on a journey. I so appreciate it was so fun. Thank you for talking to me just feels like you're my wellness check. I think you're pretty well-off. I got it. You gotta do it over achiever. Can I shut up one reader quickly to us a shout out everything off one. Thank you to every reader who's ever talked to me. Like, I know I always tell Laura but I feel like having on babe has helped me mate, like so many cute Friends dog. Like people coming up and saying they listen and especially a girl. I just met at the Sam Buck show the other night. It was so fun talking but also a reader I believe his name's Savage. Yeah who I met and Ensenada over my birthday trip Laura. I was in a tiny tiny outdoor only Winery in like the Baja Mexico kind of Coast Area and I there's like a communal table and I met a reader who loves you loves babe and she had me crying and so happy and it was like my birthday trip and it was so cute. So I hope Sonia is having an amazing social distancing moment with her man or whoever else she might be hanging out with right now. Thank you for changing to me. Oh, that's so fun. I love it when like I was in Hawaii in January like on kind of a lark of a trip and in the Hawaii airport as I was about to fly back to LA I ran a game. A reader that was like I love the podcast and I was just like how does this even happen? So good life-affirming moment. We all just want to be recognized, you know, but the end of the day off literally I mean and for when it's like personal own emotional also, I was sitting at a table them that look friends of mine. So I was just having to be like I paid her like, oh no, you should listen to Tierney's podcast. Tyranny talks. It's on iTunes Spotify everywhere. You just did an amazing like tearing talks installation at the fries Los Angeles, which was so cool. Thank you so much for levels of shakiness. Definitely was really fun job, you know, I love a global curation and I'm going to have a new episode of tyranny talks out Friday and then all the free stuff you're mentioning is going to start coming out next week so long I hope you enjoy from your apartment. Well, we're going to hop off but sending everyone love and light, bye-bye. babe
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Cillian Murphy is as name Philly and it's spelled with the sea so it's very confusing. I probably speak French and stuff do you are you multi-lingual speak French. Okay okay good okay. So Kellyanne Murphy. There was a moment in one of the Batmans where he goes. Bring me the Butman and I was like the Batman late either say Batman. Well yeah I I believe. It was a real swallowing of certain vowels. Accentuating of one's that didn't exist but the point is is that the Batman just Batman Batman. Now where do you land on this? I do like when I think of the Batman. I think if he'd Ledger. Saying the backed Ma and I do like that I man I'm into I think it feels like simple and yet epic. Okay good strong okay. So I'm just taking some clues. One of them is the Tatoos on your arm which I noticed extensively in high fidelity last night either. You're still in makeup or those are those are yours. Their own all the tattoos and the only one. That's not mine is. Oh the dude's name you got to on you and now did you have the conversation with them. Because I I've done this but it's out of pure laziness which is if I'm going to be in a TV show which I'm currently on. I cannot do an hour extra everyday of getting these things covered. So you're just going to have to embrace them. So what was yours motivated out of? I mean I think I always try and think of the character I so most situations. I've covered them. Big little lies. I covered most of them in the Batman. I'm covering in the batsmen. But yeah in high fidelity just felt like I was kind of playing someone so close to me that I would fully believe that she had to the funny thing is is that high fidelity's the first time I've been able to play anyone remotely close to who I am which is funny because people think that I do things like speak French right. Well I know little bits and pieces about you and then of course I read about you and then I learned that you got married in Paris so I was like. I don't know your old man has a place there. Yeah and so maybe you spend an inordinate amount of time there and maybe you picked it up because you have a flair for that and wish. That was my story. I wish that the story but my dad has a house. There have spent time there but to be honest I usually just go to see my dad and end up kind of like not even leaving the House that much we go. We go to Paris a lot and stay in the house which is so sad. Because it's the most beautiful city we realized after a week like we haven't left the house we have to go somewhere and you're currently in in what appears to be a hunting cabin. Is that fair to say? It's like a ship. So Yeah I've been renting this house in London. We were shooting the Batman and now we were shooting about men anymore because Kovin were here. Still the Kelvin. Yeah this is a so yeah. We're in a very cute. Little Caveney House in Notting Hill. Looks like I'm in the woods. Yeah but knowing that. You're by the way I'm going to take a stab at the interior of the Topanga Canyon home did it resemble this at all. It's it's round my mom's house it's round. You know what I think I know that for I feel like I've stocked you. Okay Oh boy. These are all accidental things. So I know you love my mother. I know about this. Do you remember how embarrassed. I don't know if you remember this. I'll remember for life. Isn't that Vanity Fair? Yeah wait I wanNA hear her version. No no no no. Let's tell the real version because I don't think I fully did know what was going on and I don't think it could be a have been impactful for her as it was for myself so it all started at. I think this independent spirit awards or something were you. Were you were on stage? Okay and so what happened was my wife and I are watching and I go. That's Zoe Kravitz. And she goes. Yeah I said well. My prediction came true. That those to what I have always historically for now forty five years of said the most beautiful to humans to ever live on planet earth or your mother and of course your father and so I thought when they have a child this thing has to just be the most aesthetically pleasing creature to ever live and then you strolled out on stage and I said to Kristen by God. My prediction was accurate. She's the most stunning human I've ever looked at and kristen goes I know it makes your eyes feel good to stare at her. Oh my God bless you and I said something on the order of. You're the prettiest person we've ever seen in real life cut to we. Now see your mom and now now I'm going back because now your mom's been my number one since I was like I don't know nine ten years old so we mean we meet her and then my wife thank God. She's helping make it not feel insanely weird. That I'm saying this to your mom but I'm like you're you're the number one of all time. I don't think there's ever been a person prettier on planet earth and then you walk at the exact perfect moment and you say you just said that too writing and so I felt completely fraudulent and truthful. It was conflicting both statements yet. Obviously they both can exist in the same scene. You say that to one more person tax. I remember you coming up. And being very sweet and chatty and me and my mom walking away going there were some of the cool. You guys felt like a very fun unit okay. Great that's good feedback now. What happened was at some point. There was a dancefloor and I love to dance and so my wife says you WanNa dance with Lisa. Don't you and I said I would really like that? And she said you should asker and then I asked your mother and your mother and I fucking cut a goddamn rogatory upwards of forty five minutes she can dad's Oh rhythm exuding seeping out the pores She's at ten on the soul spectrum. So I'm not surprised. What's what's happening here you you've stumbled into another. Do you know the actress Joy Bryant. Yes okay so joy and I were married on television for six years together and we created this thing called the soul spectrum and we rape people bill Murray mean one of them I put story. Yeah and the nine ten Sam Jackson territory. Yes I Danny McBride Miami McBride I think is real high on that soul spectrum. Mr For walking. Okay yes very very interesting choice. Oh I like that. Big Time big. Yes so your mom is basically perfect. Ten souls back. Yeah I have one other really embarrassing liberty share with you okay. So I'm equally obsessed with your Stepdad Jason. I just love his physique and love his physique so much so in his hair and the whole thing I just love I love it. Gone is called. Rogo many times going point. Is We go to? The game of thrones like premier. I don't know what season maybe six or something. I wear a tank top that says starks in the streets wildly the sheets. That's my tank top. I've got about fifty tattoos. I've ordered off the Internet on my body. That are game of thrones theme Tattoos. And then I'm with Kristen. Who's dressed the exact same way? So I'm feeling very same tank top. Same Tank tops. Same Tattoos and I'm feeling super confident. Like oh we're killing premier. But I get separated from Kristen at some point and then I bump into your mom and it's our first run incense are dance party. This interview sucks getting mad loving it. This is all of this. Is the most human interaction has still long and I really really enjoy it. Okay good so I bump into your mother. I completely forget how I look. I'm just so excited to see her. And then I just kind of feel that she's giving me a once over and all of a sudden all at once. I realized what I look like that. I look insane and I panic and I go. Oh I'm not honey honey. I start panicked call screaming for Kristen. Social join me so your mother doesn't think I'm a complete lunatic and then Kristen's busy doing something. But she come. Yeah what is it I just wanted to see. I'm not the only per- okay and then that was it. I doubt your mom remembers any bet she ask. I can totally see her looking you up and down to because my mom. She's like she's just not very good at it. Faking it like she's very honest. She's at ten on the solar spectrum but she is like a zero on the bullshit spectrums. She can't hand. I think I agree. I think you're right. There's a inverse coefficient. Goddamn at Monica. Okay you and are the reason I asked is because anyone who likes the show came for me and stayed for Monica okay. I'm just the second fiddle so I just wanted to set that up. Secondly Monica is four months older than you and she's never older than a gas. This is a lot it hurts my feelings a little bit but it's okay okay for months and months. I know I know we're basically twins. You can do a lot of aging in four months a lot of age by the time. This whole thing's over I. Yes I believe that. I'm going to look like a different person. Back does have some substantially more wrinkles than ZOE's. My prediction is you will emerge from isolation at the age Monica entered. Yeah do the math facts loves fast math. Okay so any sense. Prediction is a four-month quarantine. So you'll basically leave quarantine the age Monica entered. How long have y'all been doing it in England? Well we started before they did it. In England the minute we heard it was happening in America. And what was going on in the movie shutdown. We quarantine ourselves. I'm sure you're experiencing waves. We are right where it's like this. Is You fork? I needed a break. I love it. I'm seeing my kids a lot and then I hate this house. I hate everything I hate so I wonder how it would be compounded being in another country like do you feel like it's a layer. You know it's weird being away from your home but you know. We do thoroughly comfortable here. America is a little scary right now and the president and just the energy feels a little gnarly. I feel so there's something actually kind of Nice being removed from that people are very calm here. So there's something comforting about that. I'm not tempted to see anyone because I'm a home anyway. So that's kind of Nice to. Yeah but you're right. I I went straight to England when this first started which was just thinking like Oh man. We're all panicking. That we gotta stay inside and stay six feet apart and they would just had bombs raining down on their city for months and months in the fact they all just carried on with their lives. I feel like you're you're with the perfect group of people to carry on is exactly the phrasing but I think they are starting to take it a little bit more seriously in terms of social distancing which is great a ha- but even though they're realizing how serious it is they're still very calm like the. There's no kind of anarchy feeling in I feel like New York Brooklyn feels like host apocalyptic. There's certainly some people screaming at the top of their lungs. It feels like that anyway in the true I mean also you know when the whole thing started going down and they were talking about closing borders. You know everyone was panicking and so many of my friends called me and said you have to get on the plane right now. They're gonNA close the borders and my husband started panicking too. And we're like okay. We have to pick up this house. And what are we going to do? And then we're like. Why are we going to AMERICA JUST TO BE IN AMERICA? Like that's just stay where we are and I'm not go to an airport and not be around people and Yeah I we. We realized we didn't even know why we were scrambling to get back into the country. Saying Okay but you long ago you were a little tiny baby in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight yes. You're a Christmas baby. Yes mom and dad got divorced at five t right a two two CAM. GonNa Sue wikipedia. You don't need to be troubled with that. I will have. The truth is actually. I don't know when their divorce was finalized but they split when I was two. I got you. Okay it's funny because you see you see pictures and stuff and you as you get older confused that with things that you remember but I I don't think I actually have any real memories of them as a couple. Yeah I just made that discovery by the way the my dad died a few years ago and I got some of his photo albums and I realized. Many of my memories were not memories. They were memories of the photos. I had seen it's crazy and especially now that we have you know social media and stuff and we're constantly looking at photos nonstop. It's it really does become hard to know what to memory and what's an image. It's interesting yeah so but you lived with mom from zero to eleven yes. I was born my my parents had me in Venice beach and they live together in New York for four years and then we moved back to La. And I mean my mom moved into Panga when I was like four or five but when you were little. Did you recognize that mom and dad were famous? You know my mom less. Oh actually because by that time the cosby show was replayed stuff but it wasn't the sensation that was in the eighties and I grew up without television so a right so I didn't have TV. So I didn't see reruns really until I was much older when I did see reruns. It was because my aunt had taped on vhs all episodes and seeing them and we lived we lived. We lived far away from everything and that was a different part of her life that she kind of didn't bring with her and my dad at that same time was the biggest he ever was. You don't fly away American woman all that stuff. Who's on the radio? I live with my mom. He would go on tour and he would come into town which was really exciting for me and he'd come pick me up and I was really excited just because my dad wind up seat in town and he wasn't settled he would come in like a hidden Pfizer Viper. Yeah like netted shirt like within literal BOA. No but he would come pick me up and like that but then also people so people would get when he was there and I remember one day going to the parking lot to get picked up by my father and the whole school was there and it was embarrassing and then I think that's when I realized something was up. Something's going on and then fly away come out and like I walk down the hallway at school and kids would sing it at me weird way in like oh boy. Did you go to school. Independent because over people who don't live in L. A. They don't realize like Japan Kenyans in l. a. But it's like being in the backwoods Tennessee. It is so it's the most removed enclave of La. It's in Little Canyon in the mountains. Yeah it took me about forty five minutes to get the school. I went to school in the valley. I went to the Rudolf Steiner to the school called Highland Hall. Okay and now. Here's what's confusing for. Most people who have no association with this so I think I think most people think Oh my God of all the kids in school thought. My Dad was awesome. I would like it but now having experienced it myself. It's probably just a shitload of attention. That doesn't feel comfortable for especially at that age out. Imagine I mean I think as a kid all all you wanNA do almost disappear. You WANNA fit in. You don't want to be different on either end of any spectrum right so it's not like being able to get into school without anyone looking at you whether it's like weird at your face your closer weird. You're too rich to poor you. Just don't WanNa be noticed because you don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah anything unique could could equal exclusion probably and so okay another side. That has nothing to do with either. I would see your mother occasionally at Kuku. I lived in Santa Monica. She would take me to cook like memory of Cougar. Like it's my favorite. I can't believe they don't exist anymore. I used to see your mom. They're not all the time but I bet three or four times I was. It was a spot we were like. We'd go to Kuker and I thought because I was in my twenties and I was like I knew it. Man where soulmates like. We're both hell fuck in. We can't stay away from Google. Ru Cougar had this leg bomb chicken. That had like this all orange sauce on it. Do you know what I'm talking vaguely barbecue. But it didn't taste tangy a citrusy thing to a lot of flavor profiles Oh yeah coup guru so funny yeah my girlfriend bringing. I used to go there and we were on the Atkins Diet. We would put the bread in her mouth and just chew it a couple of times and then just take it and put it back on the play Dr and it was like twenty three. What was why was he so worried. Okay but what's interesting is that you're actually a third generation performer. And that grandma on your Dad's side right. Yeah it was on the Jeffersons. Yes she's legendary. She's only the first interracial couple in prime time television. Yeah Roxy roker sweet story when they were casting the Jeffersons and they told her they were GonNa have am biracial couple and that was a big deal at the time and you know she additions and I think they loved her and they wanted to say you know just so you know. We're doing something crazy you know. You're going to have a white husband and she pulled out a picture of my grandfather who was white instead. Well that was part of the reason they were like. Oh she's perfect. But I love that story. I've been practicing. I've been practicing and then same configuration rates so then mom also mom's parents are black and white both Jewish and black on both sides yet. Yeah my mother's mother. Arlene is white. She is a Russian Jew and her father is African American tire of people's interest in that. No I think it's cool. I think the part that gets funny because both my parents have brown skin. People get really confused and they're like how are you mixed? Or how are we don't understand and sure? I think I recently said something on Instagram. About being mixed in some person commented like why are you so ashamed of who you are? Your parents are both black and you can't win. Five seconds of research say also that they think they know more than you about your own history and heritage like crazy and your relationship with Maritza. Shame shame filled or not. There's so many things that are counterintuitive. So Monica I've talked about this. A Bunch Monica constantly was asked where you from this bitches from Atlanta Georgia. But that's not what they meant of course understandably hearing it from her perspective. How fucking annoying redundancy in the predictability? Oh here comes that question where you from Atlanta. No but where are you from? I'm from what are you? Yeah exactly. It's almost like just ask me what you want to ask because then you don't really know how to answer answer correctly and they're like but no. I mean from from. Yeah Yeah but but but for me as a vanilla Heinz fifty-seven white dude. I'm like Oh my God the notion that women would be curious about. My ethnicity sounds awesome. Like yeah any fucking question you have for me? I'm GonNa Enjoy 'cause I just want your attention so previously I think I probably would have been like. Oh love people ask me what my mix is. Just because I wanNA talk about myself and you seem to be interested in me but I recognize that can be laborious and redundant. I think it depends on. Also you know I don't know when you were a kid. It was probably different for me. We were just talking about you. Know when you're young again just wanted to fit in so people kind of trying to figure you out can make you feel really uncomfortable. You know I had so many like specifically about my hair brown girls in their hair. Wipe Kid's coming up and asking like why does your hair look like that or it's kind of touch it. And of course the kids they don't they don't know what they're doing. But just highlights your differences. Yeah that's what you want at that age now so given that grandma was on television and then mom and dad are on television or on stages did it then seem natural for you that like. Oh I'll pursue this or did it feel like a family business. Did you feel like Oh fuck? I can't do this because it's not original because everyone else did it. What did you wrestle with to decide? I'm going to do this as well by the time I had to actually think about performing as a career I had been doing it for so long not even not professionally but just that was so who I was that it wasn't really a question you know. When I was a kid I would perform for my grandparents had put on shows. I would sing somewhere over the rainbow. I loved watching cabaret I love musicals and I was average. Student was a C. Student but I was in drama club. I would perform every play. We did so by the time it was time to graduate. It was really the only thing I knew how to do. I did look into John. J. College of Criminal Psychology. Because I was really interested in the minds criminals but I think that also ended up being a part of why I loved acting to kind of figured out how those two came together. I love murder show. We just watched the best dateline nights ago. Did you like dateline. Yeah I do it was. It was a woman who abducted another guy's girlfriend assumed her identity for three years was fucking with the family making them think she was still alive and on bipolar her face booking the whole nine islet was it was Korea. We three years years and we thought it was like three different people throughout like it was real knows Orion Ernie so at eleven you hear the call of the wild. Is that what happens or is it just that you miss dad or you like give me the fuck out of Panga Canyon. What am I doing in the dirt. I think it was a combination of a lot of thanks so when I was eleven. My mother was going through a really hard time. She was dealing with some health staff and she lost her mother and I think I liked. I didn't know how to deal with her sadness. And so it was me and my mom independent in the middle of nowhere. I'm not allowed to eat cheese. I'm not allowed to each other. And then there's my dad and I go to see him for a couple of days and there's like fucking. Tv's in every room and pop tarts and there's people everywhere all the time and it's just like these two opposite worlds and as a kid you're just like That one it's so funny because looking back. Thank God the time I did have with my mother. Because that's the experience that makes you kind of you know. I think a deeper person and artists and connected to nature. That's the foundation. Yeah exactly my dad asked if I wanted to to live with him in it was big really exciting and I also wanted to spend more time with him and I would only see him for a couple of weeks here and there and I felt like I wanted to just get to know him. Better and pop tart all the time. That's what I did and then just culturally to Miami is so different from La in general and then even more different from Tabango. Yeah it was crazy shift and I ended up not liking Wayne. Very much is funny like I had that experience and then when I was fifteen demanded that we move to New York where I went back to a Waldorf school which is where my mom. Put me in kind of return to my more wholesome holistic about Waldorf in my limited understanding of it is like the kids play with wooden blocks. It's very tactile right. They're working on social dynamics as much as anything that academic academically this bill yet so Waldorf is a philosophy that was created by Rudolf. Steiner and the classes are all very small. The lessons happen through conversation as opposed to lecture. Make your own textbooks by writing things down in actually like making a book. So it's also about Kinda physically using your hands and you learn how to knit and Crochet and draw and then you also learn reading and writing now at the ripe age of thirty two looking back preferrable. Oh Yeah I'm super. I'm so I think I'm thirty one yet. Shoes in eighty-eight. Yeah she's not four months. Shaw all six months only but I've been in quarantine for so long. You could tell you believe you own. Failure of vast areas the dateline episode. It was my first real. Big Failure of fast man is a segment. I do nonstop on this show and generally. I'm good at it but boy did I. Shit the bed on this thirty one okay. So from the thirty one year old vantage point. I'm incredibly grateful to have gone to the those schools and I made amazing friends there who I'm still in touch with you know. Just it was an creative environment and I. I knew I loved performing that I think also just being tapped into your creatine psyche in that way at that age creates a different kind of artists. And have you discovered any like gaping blind spots or holes in your like? You're talking to somebody and go like oh. We never even covered geography or anything like that. I'm not great at it at math and it took me a while to. My Dad took me out of the school. The first school because I was. I don't know how that I couldn't read yet away. I should we later discovered that I'm dyslexic. And that was a big part of it. Oh keep panicked and it was like you need to read. I am to where we're dyslexic siblings. Yeah and do you find that you can retain aural information really like abnormally well compensated for that by saying Yeah. I mean. I haven't really good memory like I can remember my dialogue like that. I can remember song lyrics all of that. My thing is just like with numbers. I can't remember numbers like if you tie. If my hotel room is lying. One one to learn something. I cannot remember and really slowly. Also if I'm writing down numbers I always like flip the first to always right. Can I give you my hack so when I checked into my hotel room bom take a picture of it on my phone you do that. Yeah I do I do now. It's great for the longest time I was just like. Why can't I? It's three numbers. Why can't I know it? Yeah also parking garage. I'm going to just bang a pedometer. Oh all very twenty twenty to drop a Pin Scott. The clock. Okay wow so I just. I got a hack on top of stay tuned for more armchair expert dare. We are supported by honey. Look we all shop online. I do almost all day long. Pretty much exclusively. Did you know though you can make online shopping? Even better you can with honey. Honey is a free online shopping tool that saves you money. Online honey automatically finds the best promo codes and applies them to your car. Which makes online shopping? Finally feel as easy as it's supposed to be now a commode went down in our home. Is You know that's not a good time. 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I've never lived in Miami only visited for work but I got imagine you went to some Miami. Yeah Miami Country Day. Thank you were the other children in there like Hulk Hogan's kids we actually unlike. Actually maybe I think maybe they think maybe yeah I think so. Okay if I was weird is very and again it was like I had this desire for this normal life. I went to let this weird hippie school in like couldn't he whatever and now I go to this place in Miami and it's like there's cheerleaders there's football teams there's like clicks and it's like a right total. I mean I don't even the the girls were doing it. Our Age Lake scary. These kids are going. To draw. Drugs transacts off young makes me sad to think about. Yeah I mean there's this whole rap music and like wearing shorts that are like way up your ass. But it's like you look back on your fifteen. Bro La La. There's a few times right. Came back for Christmas break. Or whatever and I'd come back in some like type resilient genes and like my rows were gone and my mom was like fucking kidding me now. Your mom must've been panicked when you would return. I mean it'll opposite of what she was crafting for you and I come back again like with like no eyebrows and like weird makeup on like a cell phone and like genes that are like way too tight and way too low had jeans that had like I catt pain in on the but my mom is just like no dude. No Okay so you ended up in New York and then you return to Waldorf thing and then things were honky Dory and then you went for a year to college in you. Studied acting for that year. Is that correct? Yeah I feel like I was enjoying high school so much actually which I know. A lot of people don't Relate to but I really would that all of a sudden you know school was ending and I hadn't really thought about college. That much and suny purchase had a person come into school and tell us about the programs they had there and the acting program sounded interesting and I kind of threw together pretty fast because again I wasn't really planning on going to college would aspect where you loving about highschool and this was in New York City is in New York so I just had this amazing group of friends. We were really really close because it was this wonderful small while the school there wasn't really any cliques and it was just like there wasn't a lot of drama and that kind of thing it was just like good group of kids all artistic in some way it was like this wonderful collection of people and we were just buds and we were just like we would make music sing and smoke weed and like. Hey. I'm the park and it was just like a really fun time and I think also kid when you're living in New York your free very early you don't need to jump on the train and like go hang out on stoops and it was just. It was such a fun time in kids. Grow up faster there too just because of the environment. What was the drug lecture you got you know? I don't think I ever got a dry lecturer. My mom is I was sixteen years old and I guess her and my father had had a conversation about the fact they knew I was smoking weed because they could spell it or whatever. It was Christmas visiting my mom and she brought up. We'd and I thought I was in trouble. But then she pulled out a joint and we went to the took a walk and walk to the Orchard and sat in the trees and and the high it was great and I think their whole thing was always. Just you know schoolwork. I would've took a crazy turn. Then she she pulled an eight ball out shopping she was like. I didn't know you liked to get wet. I I wrote the script details training day. Denzel character is actually based on my mother. So H- fun fact. Okay so you start working pretty darn quickly and you you do. Eight episodes of California -cation. I remember that and then you quickly you get into X. men. Did you embrace your name or did you run from it? I thought about not using it. I thought about just going by my middle name. Isabel as as Bella and I kind of tried to do it but it just like didn't stick can people kept forgetting and it just like no one responding to this idea. I had I would. I would tell my agent. It just wasn't happening. I also think I mentioned it to my dad at one point and I think I could feel that he it made him a little sad sure. Yeah and so yeah I just I just kind of stuck with it and I did use to be really insecure about people you know just associated with my family and now I love it. I'm so proud of them in school. It can be such a roller of thoughts right because I even had it like originally when Kristen and I would work together the most insecure side of my brain would-be telling me people are gonNA think I was only in it because she got me in it so I didn't WanNa work with her because of that and then then she was in my movie that I wrote directed and then I thought well people are. GonNa say oh. She did me a favor by being in the movie but mind you know and said anything it was all completely in my mind and I was like I enjoy working with her. So I'm GonNa fucking do that and stop thinking about it but even on a small thing like that I would get neurotic about what the perception was. Totally people would always say to me are never going to collaborate with your dad and I'd be like no and I'm like why ms why am I responding so violently to that idea? You WanNa you WANNA since that you've earned what you God and you made it on your own like it's very. I think it'd be saying if you didn't have those fears. No totally that. I think even in the moment you're not even clear about what it is. You're just like no. I would never do that. It'd be stupid you're now. I think I'm GONNA wait to kind of carve my own path like it's not clear thought like that. It's just immature. But when you got in this movie with Fast Bender and James mcevoy and then Vaughn's is great director and Rose Byrne was there are like fuck. I'm in the Big Leagues Right. Out of the gate. Did you have any kind of fear or you like bring in? You know it's funny. I just realized recently that that was about ten years ago. Which is so nuts when you were twenty two. I'm kidding twenty-one fucked up to and I look back at. I think there was a part of me. That was just like okay. I also never really thought was going to do movies like that. The kinds of movies that I always saw myself doing were kind of cool. Small Weird indie movies. I kept our booking. These big action movies. I think it's because those were the auditions where I was like. Yeah right and who cares? Yeah which I didn't want it and I also there was no way I was going to get either so yeah man so I came. I don't know I think I was pretty casual about it. Which is so funny and looking back it was a huge steppingstone for me. But I think I was like all right next venture I could fly. Did you ever Rob Yourself of experiences? I did this where I was too. Cool for things yet. I did them and then all I really did is I. Kind of rob myself being president experiencing it. I'm sure on that. Yeah I hope so. I'm probably doing it right now. A lot of people are so. Don't flatter yourself now. I had a couple of big questions kind of like overarching questions. Because you really go from most actors ninety nine point nine percent of the actors don't even work so let's start there them point. Oh one percent of them work and of those ninety nine percent of them never end up in a sequel and then you're in some franchises which is exciting but they're also really time consuming. You're also in your twenties and they're also movies that are huge and on location. So I'm wondering you kind of just touched on it but did you have the theory on what your career was supposed to be what you were trying to create and then also what is it like to just never be home through your whole twenties. That could either rule or in the period where you're kind of defining who you are. It could rob you of that luxury. I definitely didn't have a plan. I said no to a lot of things. One thing I realized I was very lucky about that. I had a little bit of help. It wasn't you know my dad gave me a little bit of money just to like start off. And he's always said he's really proud. I never asked for money ever again. That was the one time. Give me money. And they're definitely. There was a point where I was like okay. Fuck I haven't worked in a long time. I don't know how I'M GONNA pay my rent but I did have the luxury of being able to say no to a few things when I was younger which I think is really important. When you're trying to sculpt a career to emit takes multiple whole career to learn to say no and most people don't have the luxury they just need to fucking pay the rent so that was something. I was very lucky to be able to. I guess I did work a lot. But there's a major lows in between the things that you're talking about like I left college when I was eighteen Went from like half a year so from eighteen to twenty I was hanging out in Brooklyn heart out in Brooklyn. Doing anything went to London for six months however long to do X. men and then came back on them again just in Brooklyn doing nothing for another year or something like that before the divergent thing starts you know. Actually it was mad max and then divergent. Oh that makes sense because I probably took forever for that thing not Mexican out after divergent came out but it did. Because that's probably the thing you've been in that. I have the most questions for first and foremost road warrior define my childhood. I was on the big wheel every day. I was Mad Max. My brother was chasing me so with great anticipation. I see your movie. It delivers on so many levels. Entire movie is one big action setpiece. It never stops. I wondered how the hell he kept track of like. Oh Yeah what do we need to? We need nine shots of the guy with the guitar. I mean what a fucking circus in early in your career where you kind of like. Oh this is this is normal or were you aware of that. This was a spectacular experience. I think again looking back I was so young I was just along for the ride. I wasn't attached to anything really back home. I did have a boyfriend. And that kind of destroyed that failure right or South Africa. Yeah in In the mid via we were in this very small town called Swakopmund. And there's nothing there there's nothing there. There is some very very kind of poor shantytowns and then there's some weird kind of big houses that a lot of a lot of German people vacation. They're a lot of weird energy. There are all used to be a German colonial port. So there's just like weird like residual shit going on at that age normally. Think about it right. You're just like cool. What time is my flight? And where do I go and then all of a sudden you're in Namibia and you don't even think about like what this is GonNa be like. It was nine months. Oh Wow we're in almost every shot could we're just in the back of the car while we're always there. Were all away from our homes. We're living in these big houses but there's like nothing around it. There's one restaurant you can go to. It's just it was a really weird experience and then we spend all day in the sand dunes and you do start to go crazy like you all went in. We all went in saying you know and George Miller who just I love him so much. She's he's an amazing artist and he was so specific about even though we have very little dialogue. You know who these women were what they had gone through. We did a two week course with eve. Ensler she's amazing woman. She's a performer. But also has this incredible place called City of joy in the Congo where she takes in women who have been human traffic and mutilated in horrible ways. And she's just she's amazing women she also wrote the vagina monologues. These women were sex slaves so he he really wanted us to understand the gravity of that and the fact that he took the time to even go deeper with without especially when it's not in the dialogue. I think was really special. And he knew this story so deeply he'd been working on for so many years. I remember it. You know he'd come up and give you direction and he would close his eyes and he would start talking to you but he was seeing it in his head. He was seeing that he was feeling everything really deeply and he's really. He's truly a genius. And did anyone take you under their wing because it sounds like you were basically island fever. Yeah Charlene was really cool. She's South Africans. She felt way more at home when she would have dinners at her house and her mom was there with her and that was really sweet and and we also mean. Riley go way back in. Abbey's Debbie lease one of my dearest friends to this day Nicole. I had worked with doing X. Men So we have arrived ru but it was like summer camp at turned into like a horror movie summer camp a little bit but it was always scheduled for nine months or did you just keep going over always scheduled for nine months. Actually I was the second person they cast. I read with different actor that they had hired Tom Hardy yet and they were. They were kind of matching people up and they tell people it was me. I didn't really know DAX from our man. Look good in any of the year and then they can't they cast me and then that was when it was supposed to be shot in Australia and they were supposed to shoot in this place called God. I can't remember the name right now. But it was his area that was desert and then it rained abnormal amount that year and it started all these flowers and tree and grass started popping up. They were like we can't bucking chute here so they had to kind of crush all of the vehicles find a new location and the movie got pushed a year alone on the sounds like apocalypse. Now Yeah we just. Have you ever watch hearts darkness the documentary? Yeah Yeah I just showed it to Monica. Two nights ago for the first so crazy so crazy almost better than the movie going to say. It's crazy that the documentary is just as good if not better. What a ride. So yeah it was supposed to be nine months but it was supposed to be nine months a year before we shot it and in Australia Australia. Okay so then you do the divergent series and again you do three of them but these all came out like every year there was a new one. Yeah and so. It's not Lanta three to three summers. So imagine in a certain respect Ed probably felt like being on TV show. Did it a little bit like where you kept returning new season almost. Yeah it did I mean those foams you know all due respect. Those weren't my favorite films that I made. I think but as we went on the story really got lost in. No one really knew what we were doing anymore and that makes it really hard. I'm happy to go wherever if I know what we're making and why but once you lose sight of that it becomes really hard. I think it depends on what it is to when you're running away from something and you're like what and why and it's million degree. It's just like you can't see anything it's all. Cg rough that's rough. It's embarrassing right. If that's what it is a fancy taste you use probably wanted an apartment New York. Is that where you're aiming for? I want an apartment. You collect Rolls Royces to people. Don't know about the bog one. You have thirty where icees right and yeah and the real thing in New York is like where do you right? I thought you Bud Jerry. Seinfeld's parking garage Rolls Royce opens up at the bottom of his house. Right it's like part of his house or something. We're real baller. Yeah cool okay. So then you land right in another franchise you go into fantastic beasts. Well what I will point out that with the franchises. I've been depending on how you see it. Lucky you're lucky but got killed off in both X. men and fantastic beasts so cool though right. Yeah no it is you were saying you know returning over and over again. It's difficult and so I've got kind of lucky in that way so then the thing that we consumed the most was big little lies loved. It loved big little lies with the pattern. I'm recognizing is like just a bunch of real gunslingers. It you keep finding yourself in the middle so that show if there was ever a matriarch show like the most powerful accomplished ladies. And they're at the rains. Was that inspiring. Did you feel like I don't belong here? I any number of things could have resulted from that. I think I experienced a lot of feelings. Those being to them I think ultimately I just felt a very lucky to be here and it made me work harder because I would think to myself. I'm not going to let my performance ruin what these amazing women are doing because it really isn't on Somboon show and so there's one person that's not doing their job. I think the whole thing kind of falls apart so I really wanted to do well just to keep their amazing performances in Tina. Yeah there's there's two layers happening so your character on the show. Is this like of course anyone sphere. The man has left his wife now. He's got this much younger woman. There's a couple layers that could go south because you're playing that role. And then people like hunker under their character in a way that it's like a bleeds over a little bit outside of scenes and so I could imagine if I were you I'd be like I'm playing the other younger woman but I still have to be careful that I'm not triggering in any way that I am a young actress that is you know the peak of your youth powers. It's interesting that might be massage. This question can I just check myself? That might that might be. I don't know if I ask young guy. I won't understand what your question is. I don't think I fully understand question. Okay so my question is your character is basically a threat to these women. Yes because you'RE YOUNG BOHEMIAN IN HOT. You're also really young and Bohemian hot in real life. I'm wondering if I would walk into that situation as you being a little egg. Shelley of like Oh. I don't want to assume the real life character that I'm playing in this show That make any sense but I am wondering if I would ask a guy. I don't know if I'd ask a young dude that was in like those sylvester stallone movies. Or whatever I don't know if I'd asked the young guy like did you feel like you were threatening to those guys. No but I appreciate you possibly checking yourself. Be offended by your question. Okay Um but I appreciate you saying that. No you know it's funny. I didn't really think of the. I think the way that you're thinking of the character might be like a little bit more misogynistic than the way I thought about the character because didn't define Bonnie as someone who was like young hot and Movin- I was like okay. There's this woman who fell in love with somebody and his ex wife is having a hard time with that and she also has an abusive passed in life. What does that mean it out like why? She's in this relationship and why she's in this place in. She's constantly trying to keep her emotions in check and her anger in check which then at the end of the show. We realize she's not really able to do so. I think I was thinking about it differently. I was also very into the element of her that. Like I'm not as hippy. Dippy as she is. I'm not gonNA wear yoga close. I have my own house or in a yoga class. You know what I mean I find that annoying and so it was fun to lean into that you know it was really fun to pronounce Peru Bedrock. That made me want to pinch myself. You know what I'm saying so I was very conscious of of that element of Bonnie. Yeah I'm sure you could have drawn on your pango calls. I was kind of like channeling. My mom adds fun to do when she watches you. Does it tickle your mom? Did she fuck and finally by a TV so she could watch I link and you watch on. Earth still doesn't have a TV. No she really. She really liked the show. She was really into it and season two came along. It was fun to watch her. Get Addicted to do a show like that because she's so Not that person. But it's funny. The thing that she ended up Resonating with the most was high fidelity and I think it's because it was the closest to me as a person so she got to really see just my personality and I think she kind of recognize that yeah that would be cool because the hardest thing to learn to play in my experience is yourself. I never got an opportunity to because the characters I was planning. You know Bonnie she was she's not very funny and I think humor is is one of my strength in one of my both all my family. My mom and my father is well. We'd love to laugh. Earning means so huge part of how we communicate and how how do with pain and all of it. Yeah I'm with you now. So I watch high fidelity first and foremost movie right with. Yeah it was. Moving the junky second is also duck. John Cusack who was a kid he kinda represented all of us. Tall gangly guys. That weren't quarterback on the football team. So Paul White Dudes. That didn't have a voice. That's right that's right. Four excluded white males voice but so I haven't established for that movie. I was curious to see how the TV show would be. And the thing that I think they got beautifully or you guys got beautifully is as this like laid back pacing. It's more like slice of life. Easy I think specially in an era where I consume so much serialized content and I gotta see the next one and it's it's just like this great nostalgic reminder of like. Oh Yeah I love watching people fucking chill out and goes through life in like the little tiny specificities of just being alive growing up my favorite kinds of movies were those slice of life stories about nothing and everything at the same time I loved empire records in reality Bites and clerks in those. Were always kind of my favorite kinds of films singles singles. My so called life. Oh sure sure I just love. Watching people have conversations and I wanted to hang out with those people and that was I think a big part of the traction like creating an environment that people want to hang out. Yeah I think when I was younger when I was in my twenties I guess I was. I was really trying to figure out what identity I was going to hang my hat on. And those movies to me were providing these really interesting options for identity. Well this idea about like being a slacker. To which is a very nineties idea. But there's always been something really interesting about that like the slackers. They have something to say but they don't want to be part of society and they're stuck and it's you know we all identify with that and I think that's part of the reason why the pacing in the show is what it is is because you know it isn't about having a cliffhanger that you know you have to come back and see. I think it's just about like caring about the people and the notion ships and if you carry you want you WanNa hang out with them again. You know yeah. This is neither here nor there and I debated whether or not to tell you this or not. But I'M GONNA I'm GonNa because here we are so. I had sold something to showtime like four years ago. It was called the fictitious life of Daryl Hall. So it was. GonNa be about Daryl Hall from hall notes in the Eighties but an entirely fake version of his life. But then each episode would culminate in one of the songs that you know. But you'd be like Whoa. That's what Sara Smile was about anyway. So I wrote this pilot. And the CO lead of this show was this Jamaican housekeeper. That Daryl Hall had that he has this affair with that. She's really just tricking him. And Sarah Smiles about her. You find out in the pilot anyways I wrote it for you and we had this long conversation. My wife and I was like I've written this role for Zoe. And what do you think about that? And she goes well. I think it's very dangerous but I would want you to do it. So you have my blessing. I love her. I love you guys. You guys are such a your co- couple wait what I did. I ever get it. What happened. No what happened was they loved it. I want to do it. And ultimately things unraveled with Daryl Hall and getting his life rights and I was having breakfast is with them and it was like one day it was good and then the next day he was getting scared and he's like well. What do people think? That's my real life and I'm like what? But it's called the false history of Daryl Hall Bubba. So it ended up unraveling for those reasons but well. I'm very flattered. I don't think I've ever interviewed someone. I just blindly roll. Well you write something else for me. Yes yes I mean that okay. When I was writing that David Nevins who runs showtime I was like? Yeah it's gotTa be Zoe Kravitz. He's like Oh my God. That would be great. Then we're like can we get Zoe Kravitz for a TV show Blah Blah Blah so? I've had this whole experience where I have sat with other people debating whether or not you would do a TV show. And so I only say that to say that I know you have a lot of options. So how did you decide eighty to do TV and then be that it would be this project? Well you know they. Little is broke the seal for the thing and I think obviously television has evolved in a massive way now that we have all these streaming services. So I'm also very wary of the reboot as I know. A lot of people are because it can go terribly terribly wrong and I think a lot of people you know the reboots especially when you have a gender swap and thank you know what is the fucking point. I read high fidelity as a kid I saw high fidelity obviously when I got a bit older but when my mom was in the movie and I loved the movie like it wasn't because my mom was in it I just loved the fucking movie and identified with these people and the person who is GonNa fight with the most was. The John Cusak character was the rob character and so when I heard that they were doing this it just it sparked my attention because I haven't really seen a female character like that and of course there's there's fleabag and stuff but it was also about her relationship with music and pop culture and we live in this world for for some reason those cinemas sports music. They've been like put into this box. Where like mango and women aren't supposed to be passionate about those kinds of things. And I also felt really protective over the property because had such a love for the film in for the book and met with Nick. Hornby me and him have become really good friends and it was really really important to me to do this. Show with a lot of love and respect and I really wanted to protect the original town and keep the kind of punk rock feeling that you think you know. It's it's a romantic comedy but it kind of has like punk vibe to it and so part of me did this show so. I could protect that. Yeah that that male female thing is interesting. Because you're right. It doesn't really exist in media yet. Also say there is some truth to it like growing up. Boys get obsessed with like stats of baseball players. And if they like music they gotta know who the fuck in sound engineer was and I believe that that ultimately is all grasping at control I think so many of the things we all do has some element of control. So it's like if you you completely understand every single little sliver of this thing you're interested in it gives the illusion of control and even though you're character she wants to bring everything back to music and she's only comfortable when she's spouting off these facts and to me. It does feel like an exercising control in some weird way. I think you're absolutely right thing that you love the most. You can't control because it's not a person right. It can't do anything to hurt you. I also think that men are able to have sex with your baseball cards. You're obsessed with dungeons and dragons or whatever the fuck you're obsessed with you like you talk about it. You're like this is my thing. I'm obsessed with this thing and women. It's not cool to be obsessed with those kinds of things like you're supposed to just be like into guys or into you know brushing your hair or whatever the fuck people that women are into you know what I mean. I don't think women feel comfortable. Girls feel comfortable saying I'm obsessed with this. I love this. This is my opinion. I'M NOT GONNA change my opinion. You know what I mean. I don't think that's really something that society says you can do. Y- yeah I would agree. I was really excited to explore a character and try and create a character that people would love for a long time. You know might one of my favorite shows to this day. Sex in the city. That was a huge inspiration and and that was another reason. I wanted to do the show and I wanted to write a love letter to New York in the way that I think sex in the city was a love letter to New York but the thing I loved about sex in the city so much that I really felt like a captured the city I lived in even I was younger. I was still like I know this place and I know these like walk and talks and I know like just the situations and so I really wanted to do that for a younger generation and you know obviously sex in the city is problematic in some ways now we look back and look at the way that people of Color and then when there was a little weird but it was exciting to try and bring that element to a new world with people who are different diversities in sexual orientations and talk about like a different kind of neighborhood but still just like bring this place to life. I think was something. I was excited to stay tuned for MORE ARMCHAIR EXPERT DARE. We are supported by best fiends. Look we all need a break now and again. But why not keep your brain active while you relax? That's why I love the Fun Puzzle Game Best Scenes it is an oasis a fun. You can take with you everywhere. Look when you need some me time. 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And a while and my friend met Carl and fully brought him to his friend's birthday party at a bar so I could have someone to hook up with. He's wonderful he's in town like I'm GonNa Bring Him. You're going to have fun. Like post mates. It was delivered. It was Palestinian. Repos means so it was. It was meant to be a really casual thing and then we just kind of never separated. He was just so damn good and bad. You were like no. That didn't hurt but I don't know he's just one of the kindest people I've ever met. He's one of the most honest people I've ever met and I feel like I've known him since I was a kid even though I haven't like there's this connection where it's just like we've always known each other. We've always lived together. We've always like it doesn't feel like this foreign thing like you rejoined. Yeah kind of or just like we have a history. Feels like you know how some you have like a weird partier personality that like only your friends know from when you were young young have that same part of our personalities if that makes sense and then being together right now in quarantine has been so fucking great you know at first. It was like okay. Let's see how this goes especially being in a relationship where were constantly traveling and stuff? But he's just awesome. Yeah put it. Put a real real magnifying glass on some things that we had not been discussing. Because when you're busy you can just kinda shove stuff like. Oh Jeez you but maybe we'll get to that I don't know yeah citing really awesome about it though pushing the restart button. Yeah why I got. I got assume that this whole thing's GonNa make a lot of people get divorced and a lot of people have better relationships. Iran and China. The divorce rate went like skyrocketed after really surprised like an insane amount. All these Chinese women were like no. No thank you yeah. I don't think that Krizan I have been around each other this uninterrupted since we met twelve thirteen years ago. Like this is a whole new mind now we had a real rocky couple of weeks there but now on the other side of it but yeah. I got a little dicey. It's rocky for us. Only because I was freaked out when this whole thing started I was like the world ending. Like is this just break down and cry and then I would say we. We have to disinfect. Everything and then I would order a pizza and then I would cry. Ate The pizza disinfect. The box properly like it was. I was such a maniac and one of the reasons he so great is that he put up with my psychotic behavior. Really beautifully yes we. It's really fertile ground for these like kind of historic evolutionary archetypes that genders. So like me is the guy is like fuck this. Bring it on. I'll kill this virus. My wife is appropriately responsible and worried and then my attempt to make her feel safer ultimately makes her feel more scared. You know it's just really ripe for all these weird kind of traditional gender things dudes like to fix things like they want to fix it exactly. That wasn't big thing in our relationship early on I was like stop trying to fix things set because it makes me more upset. Yes it's so hard as a guide to listen to your problem and just recognize. Oh you just wanted me to listen to it not to solve it. I I feel like my role is to solve whatever issue exists and then we get more mad like. Don't tell me what it is. Just I'm just telling you what I feel yes hard. It's really hard even even when you learn that and recognize that pattern is still discuss pops up every five seconds. I mean it comes from a place of love and also feeling uncomfortable. Let me fix it. This is not like the way this feels just waiting our and we find. Do you think you'll have a baby and don't know that's a triggering question. I know it's a triggering question. Well Yeah I used to find it very triggering especially because well one when you get married or engaged the first thing people ask you is when you're gonNA have a baby. I think it's what they ask. Women not men sharpshooter right. So that's a little annoying. Also a lot of people ask the question. When are you going to have a baby? We're seeing things like when when's the baby and I really get offended by people assuming that that's something I have to do because society says so yes so I don't know now I right now. I'm certainly not in a place where I think I'm able to do that. Yes because of work and also just man. I don't know I like my free time. Yeah as someone with two kids you know. Go to every country you know. See You all do all so I don't know we'll see. I know I have a lot of female friends who have always known. They want to have kids. And I'm jealous of women who just know right the certain now. It's kind of like people who know what they WANNA do for a living and people who don't you know it's a luxury to know what you WANNA do. Oh you're heading so I duNno. Okay Well Zoe we love you. We Adore you. Were big fans. Thank you your mom are tied so I'm just completed that it's a nice sleepy one. I don't know your mom's got angel. Heart gone for months like fully the winter like we. She's fully the one because when I read about your husband at one of the things that came up was that he had been in a controversial movie with unseen which had never even heard that term until what was the term on simulated sex sex. Exactly I don't know why. They called it unseemly just say sex but ANYWAYS WHEN. I read that I was like. Oh the longtime a Hollywood war is that Mickey Rourke in. Your Mom had sex in that movie. That's true I've never dared to ask. I didn't even see it until I was in my mid twenties because it was just like fitting that I was like what bringing up kids. I Dunno probably but but I just think good for everyone the world you've picked up these rumors on sets by now right the other famous one right is billy Bob Thornton and Halle Berry out. Yeah you've heard that rumor right. I have heard that rumor. I also heard the rumor. When I was a Marilyn. Manson took out his ribs. We could seconds own remember ads. Yeah that was a big rumor in the nineties. That's great rumor. That's a fun podcast. Episode can do a whole just like rumor rulers. We could back when I was still a drug addict. I did a massive amount of cocaine with him so I do feel like I would be comfortable asking him. We'll do it in the fact. Check your ass okay. I'M GONNA have to reach out to another person. That's a connector that I'd rather not but I'll do it. I'll do it now in the show. I think you should do it. He knocked drug dealer for us. Here is the true so my best friend from childhood was just staying with us. We're all together by the way six of us. Can you have it? You have symptoms no no room or two that I had. I was quarantined. You were right. I know what happened because I had been in Texas and they were already quarantined. I came home in quarantined here in Monica's apartment for a week and then I was allowed to come back to my house so I think that's probably what's going on. The point is my childhood best friend. Aaron weekly was here who I've known since we were eleven and we were just last week. We were talking. I said well you did. Try to suck your own Dick Right. He goes a thousand times and I said. Yeah me too and it was so clear. It was never going to happen. Anatomically it just not gonNA happen. But it's like when someone tells you can't ever Lick your elbow on your fucking Ken and you just try. Yes can't try but it is. It's so weird for a guy 'cause I have to assume a high percentage of guys have tried that and yet you don't really think the whole thing through so it's like okay. What if I could get it in my mouth? And then what? Yeah my really enjoy that. I can't be so distracted aware of the feeling that Aquinas was in my mouth then that my penis was anymore. Yeah like if you're going to masturbate. It's it's the same thing in. Yes yes I think in that way. Who Cares you already? Jerkin yourself off saying who cares but also I just do think you'd be overwhelmed the sensation of Oh I have feel appeanas. You'd get over that quickly. Well IT TURNS OUT THAT MARILYN. Manson removed his ribs and it worked. I'm open to the procedure and then I can maybe can answer to questions. We've set up here. He removed his ribs just because he wanted to have a smaller cage and then realized after unintended benefit. Look at this check this out. Prey POKE collateral benefit. I liked that there. Aren't we adore? You save quarantining and I really hope you'll come to our attic in the future that thanks for having me. It's nice to see human faces. Yeah you can come and talk about the Batman. Batman will come talk about all right. Be well bye now. My favorite part of the show the fact check with my soulmate. Monica Batman. So you're having a glass of wine. Yes what time is it seventeen. Oh perfect perfect. Perfect six six seventeen in New York. I asked if I could and you said yes but it seemed like you were a little not excited about me have won those all in your head. Okay but generally. When I'm about to drink wine you get really excited Ado. Yeah excited for you. You didn't get excited this time so I got nervous. You said I'm going to have a drink and I said great but then you heard it's too early. That's what you heard right when I say great. Yeah I guess. Yeah. Let's reenact. Okay I'M GONNA wind okay. Yeah great is it too early. No you go. It's not too early. You have to respond as if I I actually said the thing you heard. I said wait makes sense. You said Okay Great. You said what you do so watch. I'll do it. I'll show you another version of this Do you like this t shirt. Yeah why do you hate it so much? You see what I'm saying. I heard I heard what I wanted to hear get. I don't think that's fair to me. Necessarily I didn't hear anything mean. I didn't hear that you said you hate it. I I just don't think he did. But let's pretend you heard it's too early okay to see how it goes okay. Okay I'm going to have some wine. Is that cool great? You think it's too early. Will you think it's too early? That's how I would respond. Stop telling me how Delta tries to tell people how to play house with her telling them what to say. I can't stand that wonder where she got it. I know I just wanted to see how funny it would sound. But you're not going to do it so that's fine. I'm going on see if it sounded really funny for you to respond. As if I said another thing. Okay fine okay. Are you sure know because this is peer pressure now? Now all do it okay. I'm going to have some wine. Is that cool? Oh great it's not too early in three moon. I said Great. No but you said great. Thank you for showing it to welcome. I did LIZ podcast today. Who I love. We Love we love. She's the coolest anyway. I got scared what people will hear it eventually. So they'll know but I had to do a little bit of a character you did. Why was part of it? Oh tell me more so I don't WanNa give too much away but it's called heart homework it's awesome. It's about the grief and I was in one of the episodes and so there's an exercise. She does with with each person. I think it's different. It's like tailored to each stage of grief and so anyway so for mine. She has a character called insecure Irene. Okay who when she feels insecure. She's like it's insecure Irene. Like giving it a voice so then we had to do that and then I started to panic so I was like. Oh my God I'm going to have to do a character do character right although you do you do. Metal Mike but yeah I do the the guy from blessed security and that's a euphemism there the guy who lets people drive onto the line of anyway. That's a nonverbal character do. It's all in the is re. Yes very physical. But this had to be verbal because it was the podcast so I started to get panicky but then I well with it because I'm cool as you are. Well you Jordan you rise to the occasion went like there's things you don't think you could do. But if duty calls you'll do them speaking yellow. Let's get into. Oh my well first of all I have to say a few episodes ago. I spoke at a turn. Okay is it a turn or out a term? Oh I don't know I got are both things. I thought it was out of turn as in like you win. Talked about sense. Would speaking out of term mean speaking out of turn. I'm wrong it's just it's turn it. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Okay okay phrase if you speak out of turn our talk out of turn you say something that you do not have the right or authority to say What had you said I stand by it a bit but I said that Chapelle. Oh is significantly more impressive than Michael Jordan. I don't think it says only but you said he's the Michael Jordan of comedy and I said well to me is even more impressive than Michael Jordan alright. Since that day we have started the last dance documentary on. Espn which is about the Bulls. The ninety seven ninety eight bulls season and mainly Michael Jordan. I just can't say anybody is. I just can't compare anybody to him. It's not fair. Well here's what a guy in the documentary said and I keep saying it my mind over and over again because it's the greatest sentence he said. Michael Jordan was as good at his job as anyone has ever been at their job in history. I just love that. It's the truth the truth. The truth is he. He's he just as the best. There's ever been at the job. Do you think I'm the Michael Jordan of podcast producers? Yeah sure because what could you say? Also you've been doing for two years and he did it for thirteen. And he got six championships. And what am I on Michael Jordan House? We also do say though that you had next to zero interest in watching a basketball documentary but that this basketball documents. So well done that. It's one of your favorite documentaries ever in assigning a topic you're interested. It's not accepted as soon as it started. I was like Oh this is like made for me because I love stories about champions. Yes winners in working. Hard and then achieving. I'm so drawn to those stories because Kristen missed the first episode with us and then we were talking about it and she was like what is it And then you're like well. It's a story about Michael Jordan and this and then I ran up nece that it's a story about winners and that is really what it is a story about an. I love it and I know you aren't GonNa like that. I'm saying this but I can relate of course. Yeah you've won state a state champion to two state championships. But I knew by the way there was one moment in the documentary and I said something I knew as it was coming out of my mouth that it was going to land differently on you than I intended. Which was he makes a game. Winning shot with two seconds left any jumps in the air in fucking pumps his fist. And I go God you and I will never know what it's like. We'll never know what it feels like to do. That and I know I won state championship but I was thinking there wasn't a was there. A singular moment state championship where the whole thing was on your shoulders singularly yes and no because in cheerleading and competitive shooting as your member from cheer. I hope if you fuck up you did fuck up for everyone. But everyone has that ability rats during the whole competition to fuck it up for every single person. That's what I'm saying. There was never a moment where you in the other team were tied and they sent Monica out there and said you have two seconds to win this for everybody. That's true that is true right like when you guys do perfect team. The team did perfect and you get a great score. It's funny because I'm watching him and I'm like Oh my God it's Mb Championship. It's it's a huge deal but whatever scale you're doing it it feels like the whole world of course it doesn't feel like this. Is the Georgia State Championship of cheerleading? It feels like this is my whole life and if we lose my life is over and it was for naught. Yeah it was like a big waste of time. That's what blows about sports in a Marxist. Point of view is that the vast majority of people lose. I know but not me. Yeah although obviously there's lots of the experience also worthy win everything. I remember the experience now. Yeah I don't I mean I do remember the feeling of winning but but the experiences where you gain all the lessons I would hope it's way more about the Sharing the experience with this group of people and having community in the trophies the trophy but even if you lost still had had that exact same experience with the community up until the moment where yeah. It's special sports are so important. Yeah I really do team sports specifically though we should have done it in high school. I was so into working. I wanted to be working every second I wasn't at school. I just want to be making money so he could buy a sweet car. All I cared about but now. In retrospect I wish had played football or something. I think you would like it. Why wouldn't she play basketball? Because I don't think it was good enough. I played in eighth grade. I was on the eighth grade team and I loved it but I was like are leading. Rebounder I was a good defender terrible shooter and because of the pressure panic now. It's not a good shooter. In fact one time I got a breakaway. I like got a rebound or block. Something and it was just meows out. Monica I was so far ahead of everyone. There is no reason I shouldn't have made this up. I would have never missed his lap and real life the because it was the game. Yeah I blew this fucking layer is the easiest so surprising to me. Well can in context. Yeah I never had played baseball. I didn't have a rim at my house. I didn't have a Dad taught me? I learned on that team like I try to. I had a desire to play but the other kids had been playing basketball for four or five. Just said you wouldn't have missed that shot otherwise you didn't have the ability second or third time. I had shot the ball game right. I'm not surprised you didn't get it in. I am surprised that you felt nervous. Under pressure doesn't seem to match with your personality will thank you and I do think I'm calm under fire but certain kinds of things I guess. If you want to hear sad part of it that I left the only thing my dad ever had come to see me. Do only going to add one. More layer against highland. Junior high are crosstown rival where I used to go to school. I started junior high at highland junior high. So sixers those returning to my song. My Dad came when she never ever came and I blew this so easy to make shot but it also is probably the reason it's not it wasn't just pressure in a basketball game. There was added pressure. Your Dad and then these other kids who made funny you well. Yeah well we don't do it any rate You know what's funny is if you would ask me that day. If I cared my dad was there. I would've said I would've really felt like I. I know but you did because I had long written him off in my mind but but now as an adult clearly I had to you of course did. There's one more element to the story. I believe what a big day. This was now that we're unpacking. It was also the day that I beat my brother up for the first time I was thirteen and he was eighteen and I fucking one pinned him. He conceded victory. Yeah so also. The most momentous thing happened on that same day. That's the most momentous absolutely if you've been fighting your brother for thirteen years and getting your fucking ass kicked and you finally win. Yeah that's a lot bigger of a deal than scoring appoint a basketball okay so this is probably why you didn't continue in sports. Why because you just said that statement. That was way more important to you to anybody who's now has been being. Who's been being physically controlled by another human being the day. They break out of their chains in their free. Are you kidding by yes and no I think some people channel a bunch of stuff into sports so for them making that basket movie they call it basket. That sounds that. Sounds like not someone who knows what they're talking about? So that feeling would be ways like for Michael Jordan. Yeah making that basket. How totally disagree totally? Because we saw we saw the documentary in the big flame under Michael Jordan's asses that he was super competitive with his older brother and he wanted his dad's attention ackley. So when I bet when he beat his brother in front of his dad I bet that moment might be as big or bigger than any game winning shots. That's my point it gets channeled. It's a different thing but it gets channeled into the sport and that that's the thing I'm gonNA accelerate. I'm going to be the best at. And if he beat his brother up that day and then he also made the winning shot. The winning shot is going. It is the same thing. It's just channeling power right but you can make any did. He made hundreds of game winning shots. There's only one moment where you finally victorious over your older brother. That's the one and done anyway. It's offend has documents. Couldn't be better. Okay Zoe Zoe crab. It's so he crafted. It's so at the beginning. We were talking about Kilian Murphy. Oh Yeah you figure sailing and we also have had this conversation before which is why. Can't we commit it to memory? 'cause the fucking see. I hate the English alphabet before we move on from last dance. I just want to say we were supposed to interview. Rodman a few months back and things fell apart. But it's one publicly say if anyone that's listening to be friends with Dennis Rodman. I desperately want to interview them. I do want to but also he owes me five hundred horse from what because I changed my flight remember? Oh I changed my flight and I left a wedding in Michigan at like four. Am Off and it cost me a lot of money to do that. And then he canceled about ten minutes before do it. You went to diarrhea or something. No Oh maybe because we've had diary over the last couple of suld that's true you just take a bunch of pets out. We do have a Attorney in the addict. That would be awesome if Dennis Rodman user toilet in emergency situations open door emergency. I'm so glad no one's had diary look forward to that. Because I feel like I would be able to comfort him like he'd be so embarrassed and I would just be able to cut right through that awkwardness and put a good spin on it. When I'd be up to bat that's I am game time now that we know that all he wants us to be liked and loved. I mean having diarrhea and the open door toilet was like the worst thing that could ever happen to him so I hope it doesn't but it could make a so close afterwards. Probably wouldn't selfish weight would have used. I hugged him while he was still sitting on the toilet. And I said this is awesome. Dude this weird fantasy allies okay anyway. Killing okay did hulk. Hogan's kids go to Miami Country Day. I don't believe so. Oh okay when I looked a Brooke Hogan his daughter. It said that she was on the cheerleading squad. So she gets it. She's very tall. Yes she's probably a back spot or base In clearwater clearwater Florida. Oh the scientology hub. It is. Yeah that's where the spiritual center of Scientology clearwater Florida. That's my God. That's insane. Well it's not when you think that l Ron Hubbard had been in the navy and that everything in scientology is based on a nautical maritime. Like that's why it's Ot this all. The ranks are naval rank. Wow and so. It's on the ocean. Wow Yeah it's a seafaring religion anyway. Sh- went to clearwater central Catholic. High School. Okay but it does say. She only saved school for the first half of freshman year. Now the sun the sun killed somebody in a vehicular manslaughter situation. I did see that in my research. Upsetting it is very upsetting. It's upsetting for the person who was killed. Obviously core and their family their family of for the son of a God yellow with that and then fucking the Hulk Sir because when you're famous and your kids fucked up boy. Everyone knows. It's already so embarrassing. That your kids fuck up but if you're famous then every interview is ever done since. Probably they're bringing up this this thing kid did. I don't know that it's more painful than any other parent is experiencing that. It's a different set of circumstance. Oh painful it's it's it's painful privately. I think any all these painful things are best done privately. When it's not private is relative right like the people in your community. No and then you feel like you're at the grocery store and you see the person and they know like it's that's why you want you want your kids to kill someone in New York City. There's so many people known but no one knows her neighbours. No one wants to no no one. It's no one wants their kids killing one. I'm just saying if you have to pick a city for it to happen. In privacy's your objective probably New York City or Mexico City or Beijing. These are the places. Small Town Rural. America you're right. Everyone Post Office knows that. Glenn's boy had a mishap really sad. Yeah anyway it does not seem like they went to Miami country. Days is my conclusion okay. There's like a whole bunch of country days you're Detroit Country Day Savannah Country Day. My aunt went their own. Really Yeah. I don't know what they're like elsewhere but in Detroit that was one of the premier private schools very fancy. So it's like weird. It's private but there. I guess all over are they all the same as a term like from the eighteen hundreds. I assume it's the schools have like it'd be weird. Yeah I don't know. I'm not an expert on fancy schools. Well we are into well. I am extra fancy colleges. I know nothing about fair. We're not experts on that. Were just a sycophants. Yeah Kiss asses okay. So you said a lot of facts in a row quickly said ninety nine point. Nine percent of actors don't work then of the point. Oh one percent work. The ninety nine percent of those never end up doing a sequel so hard hard numbers to compute. I think I might still be right even though Ospel impute here. Not because two percent of actress earn a living to ninety. Eight percent of actors are not earning a living. Well is that actors guild probably right so most of the actors in L. A. Aren't even in the guilt. I was an actor for nine years before it was in the guilt. I was going on auditions from backstage West. So is going NONOC or nonunion depends on like what do you qualify Wendy? You say that you're an actor when you're pursuing professional acting engagements all day long. I think you're an actor. You know mean you got in a conversation. I subsequently had this conversation with my dad because we were watching John Oliver. There was a guy on there. I forget what was happening. But he kept saying he was a geologist. Oh Yes yes yes yes. In the geology degree. He had a geology degree. He was not working in geology. She had another job whatever politician. I think that's what this must've been. Yes he was a politician he kept saying. I'm a geologist geologist geologist and I feel very adamantly that that person is not a geologist. Just because you have a geology degree does not make you a geologist and you were arguing with me and kristen was a little bit too and I just stand so firmly on that and then I brought that up to my dad because I wondered what his thought was because he has two master's degrees in he has one in engineering and one in Computer Science. Okay and he would never claim to be a computer scientist or a programmer or anything yet. He has a higher education degree in that. But let me ask you something if if you graduate from law school and passed the bar but you don't practice law. Are you not a lawyer now? And if you're a doctor WHO's passed the medical exam but you don't have patience or your doctor and your doctor now you're not. I know I guess you could say no. I would require so much qualification. I would say I studied medicine but never practiced like that is a practicing doctor in residency probably to get their medical degree as I had. I'm not a practicing doctor. Okay for me. Someone to me. That goes to medical school does a residency and then goes into the person's still a doctor Dr for life. They are yeah. I I don't if that person becomes a farmer they're a farmer who has a medical degree or doctor who doctor. I used to be a practicing doctor now. I'm not but I'm a Mea. I totally disagree. I'm a racer not currently racing. I am a stand up comedian. I am a sketch comedian. I'm an Improv comedian I'm not doing any of those things now but I am those things. I am an Improv comedian. I am a racecar driver. I am those things. They don't go away. 'cause I stop a cheerleader. I was a cheerleader. You're not doing something. I don't think you're that anymore. I have two degrees. I have a theater degree and one in PR. I would never say. I'm a publicist right. I just have an education. It's not the same thing anyway so it's an interesting. It's an interesting identity question. I think it is my friend. Duffy is a navy seal. He's not currently ABC. Oh but I'm on the things you do have for life because I think they're like stamps of like well. I don't know actually I don't know how navy seal I don't know anything about the navy seal which is crazy. You can take that away from someone like the Muslim possible thing to accomplish. But it's not taking away to say. He was a navy seal but he wasn't he is he went through a transformation. That will never go away. I I I. I don't understand the problem in saying I was like you have a problem with that. Because you can pursue all kinds of different things and you can put stuff down and pick them up and put them down to pick him up not racing now but my race again next year. I'm not not a race car driver currently racing car in. I'll do it next year. Not Not a stand up comedian. Because I haven't done stand up in a few years I might do it again. I just I don't understand why just like you can't understand why I think it's still relevant. I can't say how you think because you haven't done it in a few years that you're not that thing. I think it's different for hobbies but it's a profession. It requires that you spend a lot of time doing that or earn a living doing that. It's contributing to your welfare in some way if it's your profession hobbies do think that's a different scenario. But I I don't think I just like if I ever said. Yeah I'm a publicist and they'd be like would've you and be like done nothing. I've been absolutely nothing but I have a PR degree. Being a publicist as a very sliver of what people that major in PR would end up doing. So that went if you said I'm in Public Relations Yar no. I'm nine insane if I said that in that so offensive to those people who are who have dedicated their life or putting an effort who are interested in learning more about it. I couldn't tell you one thing about what's going on in the world of public relations will. I'm asking what public relations is made me. My definition is wrong. What's the definition of public relations? I think it's crafting I think. Public Relations is crafting the messaging in the brand tenants of a company public relations practice of deliberately managing the release and spread of information between an individual or organization and the public. So I mean quite literally you're in public relations. You are absolutely deciding what messaging makes it to the public on this podcast and you have a degree in that and it certainly things you learned in that degree are factoring in your decisions about what you do and do not released to the public and how you represent this brand armchair expert and how you represent. Kristen's brand you're managing prisons mainly you are hers. I would say more in public relations whether you want to say it and you have a degree in it. I don't know I mean I think it can work the opposite way. I think you can be a thing that you don't have a degree in one hundred percent. I think I think many people are things that they didn't have a degree in. That's how they spend their life but I don't think it works the opposite way where you don't spend your life doing the thing you just spent four years getting a degree in something and then you can just call yourself a biologist when you ended up being basketball player. Yeah I think a guy who Gets a degree in biology and goes into working on cars and a guy who gets degree in biology and goes and teaches at the high school and doesn't advance the field of biology. I think they both have the same knowledge. I don't think there's a difference. I don't think that's fair to the biology teacher learning on day every also these things evolve like the things I learned in two thousand eight are not the things are learning right. Now things have evolved. I'm just saying the degree of biology degree is biology degree. There's a core course that you have to take and you have to have a certain knowledge to walk out and say I have earned this degree now whether you take that knowledge and you go teach at high school or your mechanic. Both people at the exact same knowledge. What they've demonstrated is that. They have a full and comprehensive understanding of the topic. That's what makes them a biologist that my opinion then yeah don't agree that gives them a biology degree that gives them the ability to say. I graduated in biology. The high school teacher needs to say I'm a biology teacher. The mechanic needs mechanic the biologist who is learning every day who was researching every day. Who was putting this into practice can say I'm a biologist anyway. I wonder what people think. I think they're like who cares. Yeah Yeah maybe okay. So seinfeld's parking garage at the bottom of his house. It's a few blocks three blocks away. Oh his garage is three blocks from his house. Yes okay but it's a full building right. Full like multi story parking garage all these articles from two thousand which is when he started building. It It's twenty parking spaces. According to the articles I read all that may be sounds like just one floor and garage. Why do you know he sold most of those portions? So maybe it doesn't even need it anymore. Yeah did divorce. Rates in China's skyrocket after cove. It yeah lots of different articles said yes a record high in in business insider at set a record high number of divorce requests in recent weeks so with some districts even maxing out the number of appointments available at Local Government Offices. That's hilarious but health officials say. The increase could be explained by two factors. First offices have been closed for a month. Oh that makes sense will backlog. Yeah so are likely hit by a wave of delayed request now that they've reopened. Secondly many people have been quarantined. Close quarters creating and especially inflammatory environment for marital feuding as a result of the epidemic. Many couples have been bound with each other at home for over a month which evoked the underlying conflicts. It is kind of a little glimpse of what retirement will be like with your loved one. Yeah true another official told the Global Times that many couples regretted the procedure with many decided to remarry with an hour's. Oh I guess there it can happen like thirty to forty minutes the process. That's wow fasttrack. Yeah it provides an interesting conundrum for researchers who cannot decide on whether time spent together and close quarters is a good or bad thing for couples in two thousand eighteen. A study found couples who lived together before marriage had lower divorce rates in the first year but higher divorce rates in the five years after interesting. Another recent study found living together protected against divorce and found it made no difference Ultimately Balances Key Psychologists Rob Pascal and Lou Primavera. Phd said in the article for psychology. Today a mix of time with friends and family time together as a couple and separate time for each partner add to marital quality as does an equal split between our circle and activities and those of our partner Can we go back to the biologist conversation there if I had to put on a on a spectrum? How definitive I am about that opinion. We were just argue about. It's fifty three percent okay. You know there are some things that we you and I disagree about one hundred percent. Think that yeah is want to be clear that I think it's only a smidgen. I'm only smidgen in that category thinking that it's just I'm leaning a little over to the side. Where would you say you're at ninety nine? I don't feel strongly about it in the way that I'm like I think about it every day. And it's important to me. I just if that is the option on the table. I have like no wavering thoughts. It's very black and white to me and I'm not even passionate in that debate because I can see your point of view very clearly. I don't not see your point of view makes total sense. What you're saying. That's all zoe that was that was fun back. Yeah so it was fun to on so I got so excited about Kuku Rudy. Remember how excited they got a love? She loved it to miss. It was around still yeah never will well limited addition then my bringing back remember hoses went out of business and everyone freaked out in someone just bought. It's GonNa you. They they went under and they were. They were acquired. I assume in bankruptcy and the company should we buy armchair experts well? I don't think we don't have money. If they're dead in the water we oh Kuru we could probably distressed asset that for pennies on the dollar. Wow it's exciting to the rest of business our love you love you