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Hit Parade: These Are the Good Times, Part 1

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Hit Parade: These Are the Good Times, Part 1

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The bridge are bonus episodes with guest interviews deeper dives on our episode topics and pop chart trivia once again to join. That's sleep dot com slash. Hit parade plus. Thanks and now. Please enjoy part one of this hip parade episode. I welcome to hypocrite podcast. Pop chart history from slate magazine about the hits from coast to coast. I'm chris milan. Lanphier chart analyst pop critic and writer of slates wise. The song number one series on today's show forty two years ago this month in january nineteen seventy-nine there was unrest in iran. Gas prices reaching new highs both unemployment and interest rates spiking and the number one song in america sounded like a hedonistic party would never end i. This appears to be an instructional disco records with lines. Like have you heard about the dance craze. allow us. we'll show you the way and find your spot out on the floor. It invites you to freak out and even name checks story to new york nightclub studio fifty four but this hit lift freak by chic was equal parts party and protest it was a danceable lament against a nightclub. Yup that club that had denied entry to the songs to writers that denied due out were bernard edwards and nile rodgers. They co wrote les freak they co produced it and it was powered by edwards popping baseline and rodgers infectious scratching tong underpinning the commanding female vocals of alpha anderson and degray chic specialized in this club. Ready music the majority of their songs were danceable several. Even have the word dance right in the title repeated like a mantra however simple and plain spoken these lyrics sheiks arrangements were complex detail cutting edge and their name was truth in advertising in an era of bell bottom jeans and polyester leisure leisurewear sheikh. Were just that. Stylish natty elegant with rodgers edwards and drummer tony thompson in sharp suits and their array of singers led by alfa anderson in reinvented jazz age outfits. Chic looked like a very classy throwback but their music sounded like the future however unwittingly nile rodgers and bernard edwards of sheikh. Were helping to invent the sound of the next decade. There were bands that formed specifically to emulate elements of their stein. There will also records produced by the sheikh masterminds. they'd gave pop legends some of their biggest hits and and round nile. Rodgers returned certain rock icons into pop stars from the dawn of mtv. The dawn of the nineteen ninety s and sheikh sound is i chart topping bands that rodgers and edwards had no hand in producing dust and they even accidentally launched the most important musical shift of the last forty years. And you don't stop the up just the the rhythm today on hit parade. We will chronicle the chart history of what group co founder nile. Rodgers calls the chic organization. It's like a marvel cinematic universe of pop not just a band but a universe of acts indebted to produced an shepherded by the alumni of sheikh from the late seventies right through the first two decades of the twenty first century. The nights. she's on my god. You'd think a band with this much influence on rocks. Trajectory would have been shoo for the rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah funny story. Well maybe not so funny. I'll get to that. Perhaps sheiks feet with rock fans was sealed the week they scored their final chart topping hit. And that's where your hit parade marches today the week ending august. Eighteenth nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine. When sheikh topped the billboard. Hot one hundred with good times not only last number one hit but their last top forty hit one week later. Good times would be injected by a new number one that rock fans and nineteen seventy-nine regarded as a blow against bans like chic. But as we'll discuss bernard edwards and nile rodgers. Scarcely disappeared from the top of the charts. They kept the good times coming for decades. Thank you decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer a set of patio chairs and shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping or up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. The world could use a little extra love and hallmark. Cards are a great way to show everyone in your heart. How much you care about them. A hallmark valentine's day card gives you away to share all the reasons why you love the important people in your life. you already know hallmark. Valentine's are perfect for your partner but they're also a meaningful way to show appreciation for your friends family even coworkers hallmark has so many different valentine's cards from foil accents. For the love of your life to pop up papercraft for kids to side-splitting lee funny jokes for your bff. You can find a card. That's perfect for everyone. You care about with a wide variety to choose from hallmark. Valentine's day cards. Help you figure out how to say what you mean to every person you love whether you go with funny or fancy. You'll find something that delivers your personal sentiments. The right way and the message. You put in a hallmark. Valentine is something they can go back to again and again. It's a physical representation of how much you care on valentine's day. Love is for all so visit hallmark dot com slash parade to shop a wide variety of cards. And show everyone in your heart a little love. That's hallmark dot com slash parade. Enjoying this rock song. Hungry like the wolf. Duran duran's breakthrough hit in america topped billboard's rock tracks chart in early nineteen eighty-three indicating strong. Airplay album oriented rock stations. It topped the rock chart months before peaking at number three on the hot one hundred the members of chic had nothing to do with this duran duran classic but in a way she had everything to do with one common and misbegotten notion about popular. Music is the idea that a new style or genre will radically eight a previous one. The emerging musical format might become more popular. Might even make the older style unclean but the older style typically doesn't just drop off the charts for example the us breakthrough of the beatles in nineteen sixty four which spawned the british invasion in america. Did make it harder for easy listening. Crooners girl groups and duo but none of that music went away in fact several of the acts. That were hitmaker's. Before the beatles. Like frankie valli and the four seasons continued to be hitmaker's into the late sixties. And beyond your just too good to be. Can't take my eyes off the same went for the nineteen ninety-one breakthrough of nirvana soundgarden and pearl jam. Nineties grunge ended offshoots. Did make hair metal far less successful commercially. Little alternative rock didn't actually kill metal. Metal just retooled its sound for the of grunt it adapted to survive probably one of the biggest myths about rock history however was the disco quote unquote died at the start of the nineteen eighties. Let's be clear disco. Didn't actually die just a couple of years into the one thousand nine hundred. Eighty s michael jackson and madonna retooling disco as new wave dance. Certainly by the end of the seventies boom word discount started to become commotion poison in previous hit parade episodes. We've dissected what the so-called death of disco actually meant. I've talked about how the bg stopped topping the charts after nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine. But then berry give and his brothers became potent songwriters and producers on a variety of eighties hits for other artists. I've also discussed how donna summer was booth elevated and then dragged down by her status as the seventies queen of this but summer found ways to adapt to the eighties and still score big hits however no disco associated act arguably adapted better to the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and beyond than the members of chic work of nile rodgers and bernard edwards. Both with chic and with other acts collaborated with not only contradicts. The notion that disco was short-lived phenomenon. It also makes a mockery of the very idea that rock killed disco in the eighties absorbed and coopted the sleekness the instrumental polish and even the rhythms of discussing some disco was always part of rock and roll and it continued to inform rock long after the seventies rocker is from the eighties and beyond emulated the rhythmic suppleness of bands. Like she still the story of the sheikh university hits right through the twenty. Tens is one of both adaptation and underestimation. Their family tree branched out in many unpredictable directions. Perhaps the mutability of the chic sound grew out of the members cross cultural backgrounds. In fact early on the band's founders especially surviving member nile rodgers. Weren't really trying to play dance music at all. I read around nineteen sixty eight in the bronx new york. Fifteen-year-old nile rodgers was trying to teach himself to play this beatles song. The precocious teenager couldn't understand why a day in the life sounded so terrible on the guitar. He'd gotten for christmas in his autobiography les freak rogers recalls the day when his mother's live in boyfriend came home from work and taught him to tune his guitar properly. So that the chords in young niles beatles songbook would sound right crowder students. This impromptu guitar lesson was one of the happier moments in niles tumultuous childhood born in one thousand nine hundred fifty to two weeks. Thirteen-year-old better goodman young nile only saw his biological father a traveling musician named nile roger senior on occasion and then usually when his dad was inebriated his mother and his white stepfather both heroin addicts largely raised young nile. But for the first sixteen years of his life nile shuttled back and forth between new york and la and a series of homes belonging to relatives or his mom's boyfriends still young nile possessed a great deal of his father's innate skill and he grew up surrounded by music learning both the flute and the clarinet in school. Before trying to transpose. Clarinet cords onto his first guitar. Rogers later said that his ability to read music thanks to his years with wind instruments. Set him apart from other guitarists and got him gigs. In his late teens and twenties indeed once the teenager moved out on his own and settled in manhattan in the late sixty s he discovered stumbled onto an ideal seen for a budding musician. Nile rodgers began hanging out at legendary manhattan club. Max's kansas city. The home venue for the velvet underground whom roger saw multiple times by his own. Admission was not a soul man but a hit the and he was more into the guard and jazz music. His stepfather roger's actually played at max himself and in his book he compares his first band called new world rising a quote jazz blues rock fusion. Trrt band that was unfortunately never recorded to such groovy jazz. Inflected acts of the time as blood sweat and tears and elephants. memory max's. Kansas city was tonight. will rogers. what. The kaiser keller in hamburg was to the beatles the club where he honed his chops. He began studying with jazz and classical guitarists. And by the early seventies rogers was professional enough to score an audition for a touring. Gig this gig. Which nile calls. The moment he turned pro was with well again. Not the most predictable project since the hip. Pbs children's program. Sesame street hired nile rodgers. As guitarist for its live road trip he toward the country and met. The show's cast one sesame street cast member read along. Who played susan on the show got rodgers his next gig. The house band at harlem's famed apollo theater on rogers. Very first night at the apollo. He backed up the madcap legendarily theatrical screaming jay hawkins who hayes the new guitarist by chasing nile around the stage in skeleton makeup more seriously the old timers in the apollo band finally taught how to really play funk and soul with our and be notation to that point rogers was a straight classical and jazz trained player the apollo gave nile his group which he then poured into more club and session one night at a gig in the bronx by journeymen had a bar nile jumped on stage to join the band and he met a nattily dressed. Bassist named bernard edwards raised in brooklyn. Edwards was the same age as rogers. They were born just weeks apart but edwards was a more traditional. R&b plan what set him. Apart was his distinctive fleet fingered shocking approach on the base that night in the bronx as nile rodgers recalls in. His autobiography bernard edwards was dressed in a polished outfit of silk slacks and a pattern shirt. He was not terribly impressed. With nile. rodgers hippie threads in groovy vibe bernard or nord as nile came to call him. Had to admit that this hippie dude on the guitar could play when the band shifted into the meter syncopated funk. Classic cissy strut smile turned on a dime and played along. Two men became rogers says inseparable by one thousand. Nine hundred seventy three edwards landed a gig that would prove pivotal for the both of them. He became the musical director for an armed be vocal troupe. Calling itself new york city and new york city. The group had an actual hit on the charts. I'm doing fine now. Was a number seventeen. Hit on the hot one. Hundred in june of seventy three contrary to their name. New york city's sound was philadelphia. Soul the aren be style. That was in vogue at the time made famous by philly producers. Like kenny gamble. Leon huff and tom bell as the backing band. For new york city bernard edwards and his guitarist friend nile rodgers would need to play in these contemporary. R&b styles so they assembled an independent band to back up new york city and potentially other sanders edwards and rodgers called their troop. The big apple bank. This is covered his by the big apple. Band nile rodgers and bernard edwards. Fronted by a singer named bobby qatar. Even before the formation of sheikh fear they're playing styles establish themselves edwards patented shutting. They style is now complemented by roger who's equally rhythmic danceable funk and guitar and irresistibly syncopated style that edwards encouraged rogers to play to complement. His baseline band also attracted several other talented players. Their drummer was tony thompson and ace session player. Who had backed such bands as hitmaker's lebel of lady marmalade fake. Eddie mama several gigs. The big apple band was also by young vocalist luther. Vandross like nile rodgers vandross had gotten an early break on no kidding sesame street in the show's first season by nineteen seventy four vandross was rapidly emerging as go to session vocalist. He sang on and arranged the backing vocals for the album. Young americans david bowie's smash foray into me vandross. Intern would introduce rodgers and edwards to a potent female vocalist. Who toured with the spinners. And would one day be a soloist in her own. Right ms norma jean right to the gradual. The big apple band developed following of their own independent of new york city and for a hot second it looked like they would become a standalone. R&b funk act. They even recorded a single in nineteen seventy six credited to the big apple band called party and get on down for but then feet intervened this one thousand nine hundred seventy six smash a fifth of beethoven. A disco arrangement of the classical composers. Fifth symphony was recorded by new york based composer walter murphy meeting abandoning for his new single murphy. Coincidentally and much to the chagrin of nile rodgers and bernard edwards dubbed his backing players. The big apple band so once a fifth of beethoven now credited to walter murphy and the big apple band reached number one on the hot one hundred in the fall of nineteen seventy six rodgers and edwards realized their unrelated band needed a new name and the ever sophisticated bernard edwards proposed the name. chic nile. Rodgers wasn't so sure about his partners. Idea chic sounded funny to him. A bit pretentious. But he couldn't come up with anything better and nile did have some heavy ideas of his own about how the band could maintain its chic mystique. He took cues from a pair of rock bands. Mind joe while visiting wanted in early seventies rogers caught a club gig by the british art rockers. Rock scene music nile was. Wow not only by their intricate musicianship but by their glam style especially debonair lead singer bryan ferry then. When nile went to a record store to buy some roxy music albums he realized none of the band members appeared on the lp jackets only glamorous models like four. your pleasures covergirl. Amanda lear or playboy model maryland cole. Who appeared on the cover of rossi's lp stranded that gave nile rodgers one piece of the puzzle. His other inspiration. Though broadly in the rock category couldn't have been more different from roxy man. American glam metal band kiss were dominating readings in the mid seventy s and roger's got a kick out of their onstage gimmick most notably the fact that the band only ever performed in full makeup never revealing their faces nile wanted to invert what kiss had writing in his memoir quote. What if we played the faceless backup band professional on in other words. Rogers conceived of a band with the anonymous armor of kiss combined with the suave sophistication of roxy music. But he also wanted to play with the intricacy of the jazz acts he loved. It was a good time for that too. Because by the mid seventies leading jazz players whom nile admired or branching out into funk r&b including per behan copy and roy ayers by nine hundred seventy six even niles beloved roxy news recording rock with an arin be rhythm like their first american. Hit the disco rock hybrid. Love is the drug. He would combine. All of these influences urbane mystique theatrical blackness jazzy intricacy. But the secret weapon would be the band's skill they had killer bassist lead guitarist and drummer plus access to top shelf. Vocalists and their first recording showed off all of that nile rodgers wrote everybody. Dance as essentially affleck's a showcase for sheikh. It was a real workout. A base part. Rogers new nobody but edwards could play a relentless four on the floor. Beat that tony thompson nailed and the chicken scratch guitar. That had become niles own signature. Plus their vocal arranger luther vandross brought in class a vocalists diva gray robin clark and himself. Together on background vocals and on lead vocal. Norma jean right song would set a template for sheep. Simplicity masking complexity the lyric seemed dopey and decadent its chorus was just an ultra basic. Everybody dance clap. Your hands punctuated by a scouting. Do do but that seemingly mindless surface sat atop intricate vocal arrangements and instrumental shops. The record was catching even though sheep. Were not yet signed to a label. Local new york club. The night owl began spinning a lack of test pressing. The song wasn't even vinyl yet and the crowd yelled for the dj to play it over and over when nile rodgers visited the night owl and told them he did everybody dance. They treated him like a kid. Everybody dance was sheiks first recording but it would not be their eventual first single. Having found their formula. The band recorded another dancefloor directed general. This time nile rodgers. Wrote the song with bernard edwards. He was no nonsense and had a for simplifying niles. Overly busy arrangements still. This was another complex aren be track with jazzy chords punctuated by seemingly frivolous lyrics. It's titled dance dance dance and it's parenthetical subtitle was a jazz freeze dated to the roaring twenty s yauza. Yau's of it was the infectious dance. Dance dance gyasi yells that finally got chic signed to a label in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven the storied atlantic records which had already passed on the group previously. The celebrated label for by ertegun and jerry wexler was once renowned for its r&b. Atlantic was built in the fifties and sixties by such legends as charles common-law solomon burke and lest we forget miss aretha franklin built by the seventies atlantic had become better known for such huge selling white. Rock acts as crosby stills nash and young children yes and led zeppelin this perhaps explains the label's blind spot for a band like sheikh atlantic primarily black music mecca anymore but when the smaller label buddha records issued an early pressing of sheikhs dance dance dance single and scored immediate. Dj and dance floor. Buzz atlantic's president belatedly realised. The song was a smash the making atlantic signed chic and we issue dance dance dance in the summer of one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. Buy the fall. It had cracked the charts. Thirst breaking on billboard's dance chart which was then called action by december. It was number one in the clubs. And that's when she single broke into the pop top forty. Casey kasem counted down the saw. The tops the disco chart this week at number thirty seven on american top. Forty debuts. that's dance dance. Dance as a us by chic dance. Dance dance eventually. Cracked the top ten reaching number six on the hot one hundred in february. Nineteen seventy eight that same month sheiks self titled debut. Lp broke into the album charts. Top thirty true to nile rodgers vision. The album cover emulated. The roxy music approach no band members. Not even it's female singers instead. A pair of models with whistles in their mouths. I the camera seductively. You're the chic. Album was certified gold by march one thousand nine hundred seventy eight and it generated another top. Forty hit with the band's pearly est recording that club jam that had wowed the night owl crowd over a year. Earlier everybody dance. That single reached number. Thirty eight by jim in the clubs. The sheikh lp went deep a shuffling album cut called. You can get by. Featuring a rare lead vocal by bernard edwards himself followed both dance. Dance dance and everybody dance to number one on the disco chart much like their albums with varying players and singers on each track. Sheep saw themselves as a collective more than a band. In fact when they signed with atlantic rodgers and edwards formed a corporation the chic organization limited to manage their array of projects just months after the sheik lp came out edwards and rodgers produced their frequent. Vocalist norma jean rights. Debut solo album. Norma jean released in the summer of seventy eight norma. Jean generated an instant smash that sounded like an extension of the swab chic brand the number. Fifteen aren be hit saturday. The musical marvel cinematic universe of sheikh was already spinning off hits in its first year to the radio record stores and the clubs which made the origin story of their biggest hit ever rather ironic nile. 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Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping or five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Now that they were the toast of the club's nile rodgers and bernard edwards spent much of nineteen seventy-eight. Going to clubs for field research as well as pure pleasure. This of course included famed new york nightclub studio fifty four which had opened the prior year and was already at the peak of its influence and snooty exclusivity among the regulars at fifty four was the iconic classic model actress and singer grace jones who was just starting to score club hits of garrone jones befriended nile and nord and invited them to the club frequently on nights when she was there and was putting names on studio fifty four's legendary guest list but one night when jones was not at the club and rodgers and edwards. Were trying to get in. That's when they had some trouble the clipboard holder's didn't recognize them not even as the hitmaker's behind sheiks floor filling hits. Nothing they said or did could get them past the velvet rope. Not even as nile rodgers recounts in this twenty sixteen onstage live interview by trying on fake french accents so we knock on the back door studio fifty four and we say hello. We're personal friends of miss grace and the guy slams the door in our faces any says. Oh no no the back door studio. Fifty four was on fifty third street between eighth avenue and broadway. My apartment was on fifty second street between eighth and ninth avenue so we went to my apartment and this is the first thing that we wrote to books bernard edwards soon realized. They had an actually catchy track on their hands. Not just pissed tick. He suggested that there bomb could become the word freak. But freak off didn't sound much better. So nile who was familiar with lsd from his trippy. Hit as suggested quote. How about aw freak like when you have a bad trip so when you're out on the dance floor losing it your freaking out unquote and listeners. That's when the best selling single in atlantic records. History was more lip freak. As the francophile duo called their song was unusually wordy for sheikh. It was sung by alfa anderson who had taken on primary vocal duties. Now that norma. Jean had gone solo. Joined by frequent collaborator diva gray. And they have their work cut out for them. The chorus was once again. Just a chance like their prior. Hit dance dance dance but the versus were cheeky and sounded like advertising copy promising. You'll be amazed by the new dance. Craze quote young and old are doing it. I'm told just one try and you too will be sold unquote released in the early fall of nineteen seventy eight just weeks. After the singles from their first album had faded on the charts. Sheiks live freak. Took just seven weeks to reach number one. How big a hip wasn't here's some fun. Trivia for my fellow charts live freak pulled off a rare hot one hundred hat-trick reaching number one three times in december nineteen seventy eight when they free. I hit the top. The blockbuster barbara streisand and neil diamond duet. You don't bring flowers after one week. Out of the top spot. Streisand and diamond went back to number one replacing the freak but one week after that lay freak ejected barbara and kneels hit again and it spent two more weeks on top then in early january. Nineteen seventy nine. The number one spot was taken over by another ballot. The bee gees latest single too much heaven but sheikh done after a fortnight of the brothers. Gabe on top lay freak returned yet again to number one and stayed there three more weeks in total it. Six weeks on top was greater than the streisand diamond. And bg's hits combined by the time lift freaks chart run was over. It had been certified for sales in the us alone of six million copies. According to the recording industry association of america in the seventies a million seller was certified gold and a two million seller was certified platinum the r. i. a. did not yet officially have a platinum awards. Those would be invented in nineteen eighty s but unofficially live freak. Was the first ever triple platinum single. Since platinum awards were invented earlier in the decade as for the same chic album it was platnum. Virtually out of the box while freak was at number one the week of christmas one thousand nine hundred seventy eight says sheikh reached number four on the album chart remarkable for an arin based disco album by a supposedly faceless group even more than their self titled debut lp says sheikh represented the cutting edge of polished poised dance music. Particularly on the album's second. Cindy i want your love. A number seven hit in spring of nineteen seventy-nine with its chiming bells. Sounds i want your love. Forecasted the sound of new wave dance music in the decade to come like donna summer who two years earlier had spawned an entire genre of electronic dance music with i feel love she to pointing the way to the future before the seventies were even out to date. The chic organization had given themselves a constellation of hits and produced an acclaimed album by singer in their orbit. Norma jean right now. Atlantic wanted to see if perhaps they could work their magic on an act that the never met one. That hadn't had a hit in here. Sister sledge were true to their name a family force composed of singers and sisters. Debbie joni. Ken and kathy sledge. This nine thousand nine hundred seventy five single love. Don't go through. No changes on me was their breakthrough and a minor hit reaching number. Thirty one on the r&b chart in one thousand nine hundred seventy five but for the next three years sister. Sledge came nowhere near the upper reaches of the charts when bernard edwards and nile rodgers took on sister sledge in late one thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight well. It worked like a charm. But i felt my a guy out. And he's the greatest dancer was the lead single from sister sledge's nineteen seventy-nine studio alb- it topped the r&b chart got the sisters into the top forty on the pop chart for the first time where they reached number nine rogers had to convince the religiously raised sisters particularly lead singer. Kathy sledge to sing the line micron della crowned. Please take me home. Which implied a studio fifty four zero one night. Stand the sledge. Women had never even been to a disco but they sang the line as instructed and like the owned. According to rogers he may have even invented the now common hip hop troupe of shouting out brand names. When kathy sang staff who from the moment it dropped the sister. Sledge album sounded like a ashiq backed greatest hits album every track was a bang and many of them scored club black and pop radio. Airplay like the aren be hit lost in music and my all time favorite chic organization single thinking of you pal. Oh and i haven't even mentioned the album's title which might ring a bell. We are family. Uh-huh renard and nile rodgers. Wrote the album's title track specifically for sister sledge it belonged to the nation in nineteen seventy a feel-good single in a year of national leads. The song was even later adopted by the seventy nine pittsburgh pirates a backdrop to their world series championship. The we are family. Single went gold and brought sister not only back to number one on the r&b chart but to number two on the pop chart sandwiched between donna. Summer's hot stuff and need awards. Ring my bell. It was a great summer for black female anthems on the hot one. Hundred and sister. Sledge's hit was the most anthem. It of all you would think we are. Family would rank as rodgers and edwards greatest achievement in nineteen seventy nine not even close. She scored a hit under their own name that year. That not only brought them back to number one but remains their greatest legacy the baseline that launched a thousand ships when we come back. How sheikh helped event and how it launched them into the eighties and past the heaters. Non slate plus listeners will hear the rest of this episode in two weeks for now. I hope you've been enjoying this episode of history. Our show was written edited and narrated by chris. Milan fee. that's me. My producer is awful solution. Special thanks to dance. Music scholar christian john mccain for research assistance. June thomas is the senior managing producer and gabriel. Roth the editorial director of sleep podcasts. Check out their roster of shows at slate dot com slash podcasts. You can subscribe to hit parade wherever you get your podcasts. In addition to finding in the slate culture feet if you're subscribing on apple podcasts please rate and review us while you're there it helps other listeners. Find the show. Thanks for listening. And i look forward to leading the hip raid back your way. We'll see you for part two in a couple of weeks until then keep on marching one i'm chris.

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On thursday the day posts. This is the final day. Mercifully of what has been the most insane year of my life in fifty six years on this planet. And i'm sure for yours as well and it will be great to put it behind us. I think we all unfortunately myself included. Make the mistake of thinking. Well the calendars changing. It's a new year. Everything's going to be better instantly and we all know that's unfortunately not the case after ride out this pandemic for a bit longer but fingers crossed better days ahead for everything in every body healthy happy days ahead and i wish you all the best and have a safe new year celebrated safely and responsibly. As he can everybody given the times again that we are in so final day of twenty. Twenty final podcast of two thousand twenty here on post day and a happy new year to all you know twenty twenty was not done dishing out the bad news last week. Heard the news that leslie west passed away at the age of seventy five. Leslie was a friend. I was in touch with leslie. Very recently He is a guy that battled some serious health issues. He is a very influential guitar player and singer. He was in florida at the time he passed away from a heart attack. But that i think was just the final straw. In what was a large long laundry list of health issues that accumulated on him for a number of years. And like you said. I knew him. We had him on that metal show. I've had him on the radio show. He was even our announcer for season of that metal. Show if you follow me on twitter or instagram. When he passed away. I did post a photo from the set of t. m. s and just a great character to fun guy to talk to and a guy that was a huge influence on people. Like eddie van. Halen michael schenker and many others. So i talked extensively about leslie on my show on sirius. Xm on volume. But i did wanna make mention of his passing here on the podcast as well for those. They didn't get a chance to hear it. Speaking of my show on volume. 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You can get that on demand anytime. You'd like so what i have for you on this. The final podcast of two thousand twenty is an interview with brian wheat from the band. Tesla i have always loved. Tesla tesla to me is one of the finest bands to come out of the eighty s. I remember fondly. First time. I saw them and heard them on one of the mtv countdown shows and just being so refreshed to see a band with great to guitars and vocals and harmony and melody. Great playing and just looking like a bunch of guys in jeans and t-shirts kicking ass. Which is what they were doing and here. We are all these decades later. And they're still one of my favorite bands to see still out there doing it brian. We'd the band's bass player and co founding member recently released an autobiography called son of a milkman which turns out is exactly what he is. Read the book. you'll understand more. The book is out now. I had brian on my show on volume. I guess it was at the time you hearing this about two weeks ago. Maybe a little longer and we spent about forty five minutes talking about his story. And the story of tesla a his battle with drugs his battle with his weight on his battle with members of the band. And you know if you know anything about brian. Some people don't like him because they think he's a little smug or abrupt or has an attitude. It's really just the way he is. It's not an. He addresses this in the book. It's he he's just a a very straight very much a straight shooter and i always appreciated that. I appreciate that anybody. Somebody gives it to you straight and tells you how they feel and you know as a no. bs guy. and that's what i've always thought bryan was and is and a talented guy as well so the book is obviously very indepth things in the forty minutes forty five minutes or so of this conversation that you're about to hear i got to what i could get to but there's obviously so much more and i would encourage you to check out the book if you are a fan of the band. I also wanna remind you this being new year's eve my goodness couldn't be more timely announcement to be sure to check out goodies hangover because it's new year's folks and you might be knocking some back tonight and tomorrow morning you're going to need goodies hangover. Because it's got a powerful pain reliever and boosting ingredient. It'll give you fast pain relief and boost of alertness. It'll help you battle. The groggy tired feeling that comes with the hangover. 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I i did you know that. Move to up around syracuse And lately i've just been working with bands producing them. The bands on my my My development label. So i've been coming back and forth to california every other month or so and that's really. That's what's been occupying my time and and now promoting. This book is is got me busy which feels good. 'cause i don't like sitting around drives me crazy before we get to the book is that where did you get. Any tesla stuff happen in this down time. I know there was talk. And i know it's mentioned in the book about a potential bach said at some point or any other. I know it's challenging to try to record or right but is there any tesla activity that people would know about or anything cooking for the new year. Well i mean the way. Just put out that five-man london jam thing right. Wha- from abbey road that just came out when that corona thing kicked in This year was meant to be just touring and and taken a little bit instead of doing a hundred shows. Maybe only do seventy shows. We were gonna do in twenty twenty so we haven't been able to get together and write or record or do anything so nothing really. I mean i saw jeff. I had lunch with him yesterday. 'cause i'm in sacramento and i always see jeff when they come to sacramento. Heard much from frank. I think he's busy working with these young bands. He's easy on his thing right now. and troy. I think he's a national dave's giving guitar lessons on skype or whatever but it's been kind of slow in regards to this box set. This thing has been done forever. The only thing is we've gotta figure out with universal. Who was the parent company on on all that stuff. You know who owns what and what the deal is going to be and you know the logistics of putting something out like that. 'cause you're gonna put it out you don't want to put it out half ass so it's there i mean it's been you know in the in the can for probably a decade. We wanted to put it out on the twenty fifth anniversary so we couldn't get it together back then with universal and You know maybe we'll address that you know this next year But you know in regards to test so we're just kind of sitting around waiting to see when we can actually get a room together and do stuff again right and the last thing on this before we get into the book but this is talked about in the book is you. You have serious health issues that you've been battling for a while which you get into a book auto immune issues and things like that so given the pandemic and obviously vaccines are starting today. Thankfully so hopefully we're going to get to the other side of this soon but for you personally as somebody who is battling health issues. What are you need to see. How when are you going to be comfortable to go out there in an environment like a gathering of a lot of people shed show or i see you all the time on the monsters of rock cruise environments like that with a lot of people. What's it gonna take for you to feel comfortable going out there again. Well i i i. I think you know. We'll have this taxiing and you know. I think we'll see a lot of people probably wearing masks around as well as you'll see people who won't wear masks because it's kind of the fifty fifty thing whether some people think it's as severe as they say it is or it isn't You know i will say that. There's certainly off on the numbers you know. As far as when this thing first came out they were saying. You know we're gonna see three million deaths in the first three months. And you know so. I i don't know i mean it's you know in a nutshell this twenty twenties been real drag but i will out and play and and you know i will be careful you know. I won't be wearing a mask on stage. You know but. I think if you see me probably out you know after the show or on the bus or whatever the opera i i wear a mask because obviously i don't want to give it to anybody if i got it or get it myself and with someone asked me the other day you know. Would you take the vaccine. And i don't think honestly it's going to be a matter of will i won't i think i'm gonna have to if i wanna go back to work well especially given especially given when people read about disclosing what you deal with in terms of your health. Now I would think that well i think twofold actually probably a little difficult to determine. You'd have to talk to your doctors. I would think about making sure you can get it. And it is safe given your underlying conditions and then if it is you'd have to get it. 'cause gosh could really compromise you if you went out there and god forbid got sick. Yeah exactly. I mean right now. I'm fine i i've been. I've been cautious and careful. And and i'm okay. You know i haven't gotten it and i i'm feeling good. Knock on wood But you know to put us back that environment environmental playing shows and stuff who knows i mean i. I think it's going to start with. What are they going to do with the crowd you know. How many people are they gonna actually let in. And are they going to have to wear masks. And are they going to have to be you know Are they gonna have the vaccine to where they can become the show and the performers. They're going to have to have the vaccine. I don't know. I think eddie in three months. We'll maybe no a lot more in terms of that brought a personal level. I'm okay you know me man. I am hard put hitting you know me. Man yellow meek forever the beginning. Yeah yeah i i you know i. I'm okay i'm ori- i want to play good. Good good good. Well we need tesla and we've got very few real live rock bands out there anymore. So i always value. When i get a chance to see you guys actually just plug in amps and really sing and play. And that's what it's about so let me ask you this The book son of a milkman. It's out tomorrow. Is that the release date now. I think i think it's friday. I'm not kurt. I this week. Maybe it's tomorrow my crazy. With tesla is the is the subtitle of the book. And i gotta tell you. I loved it not only do. I love your band. Is you know. But i love the fact that you you laid it all out. I mean like. I said we've known each other for a long time and you've always been a very straight shooter. Sometimes as you alluded to in the book that's sometimes alienates people or people take it as being a dick or something but i've always respected that with people were very blunt and forward and straight shooting. And you do that throughout the book. How long did you work on this. You're the first member of tesla. I believe to write a book about your history with the band. How did why did you think now is the right time. And how the opportunity company you. Well i think i thought it was the right time because i turned fifty eight this year and i was getting older and as you know you've done many for several years and there was i talked about in the book. There was a couple of years ago that i thought about resigning because my health wasn't you know that good at that point in time and it just seemed like the right time to do it when i was in therapy with dr hirsch golf in the early nineties in new york he'd had said to me you know look with all these anxiety issues you have and stuff because he was treating me i signing depression back then you should consider one day writing book while i was only twenty eight years old and then we were only on her second album so there wasn't really no story which eleanor probably would. Anyone wanted to even read a book about brian. We in nineteen ninety so fast forward to two thousand and twenty now. There's this long story to tell this guy that's been in a band for thirty seven years right and on top of that the things that he's gone through two and also manage to stay in a pan a very hard working band that plays a hundred shows year so it was pointed out to me. Bye bye mike. Kobayashi manager when i first started the book it read more like an interview. Right it was more of a chronological order of. Maybe the history of tesla. A few things about me. When i was a kid but i didn't divulge any of the health issues or the anxiety. Or the you know my problems with weights or you know the bulimia stuff or any of that that came in the last draft of the book. We said to me said look why. Write a book. That's just like everyone else's where you sit there and we talk about the fights and the drugs and you know the booze and this that and the other. Why not go deeper than that. Because he knows me as well and he's seen you know me doubled over on the bus you know before i have to play show whatever my colitis is going crazy. Any sitter you. Would you be comfortable talking about that stuff. And then went. we'll be. i'm a straight shooter. I i don't know how to lie very well. So yeah i'll do it. I you know sure why not and it just presented itself at that point in time to la okay win. Let's do it. Now's the time you know as i approached sixty years old. Well we should tell people though that although you bring all that stuff into the book you also do talk about the fighting and the drugs and the alcohol and all that stuff so talk about everything. Yeah i talk. I talk about tesla and the fights and the drugs and the ups and downs. And and you know i talked about my personal life and pre tesla and all that stuff so yeah. It's very much but it's not. I tell people i see. Look this is how this is my view of how i remember how it went down in tesla. If you were to talk to frank he might have a completely different version of what i'm saying for jess. You know certainly tommy. You'll have a different version from what i'm saying. You know but this is just. This is how i remember it. It's not the law. It's not you know the definitive book on tesla. It's just my view of of of how i saw in how it affected me. And that's that's every autobiography like if you like. All the four original members of kiss wrote a road have written books and every one of them has a different slant because that's their view on it. I think by now most people if they don't should realize that that that's always going to be through your lens through the way you saw it in the way you interpreted it so and you do say that in the book you do lay it right out so let me let me run down some specifics in the book because being a lifelong fan of the band there waiting. I've been waiting for to do this interview with you because lifelong fan. And i know you're gonna ask me anything you want to and i'll answer anything you ask well but there's there's things in here that as well as i know you in the band. There were some things i didn't know like. You've always alluded to me about dealing with health stuff. But i was never completely clear on what you were dealing with. And that that's in here. But when i was stunned about is when you guys got signed together even here you are getting signed to gavin records. You have major management throughout the bulk of your career and like the most heavy duty guy still to this day. Heavy duty guys in cliff bernstein. Peter mench q. Prime metallica at the time def leppard i mean every all the major rock acts. These guys had and they still do to this day. You're not with them anymore but they do. But you've got all these things going for you all these things lined up and you talk about how it was difficult to find somebody who wanted to produce the first album to produce mechanical resonance that producers. Were passing on the band. I would think geffen records q prime management new young rock band. There have been people knocking down your doors to to produce a band like you guys. Why was it difficult to find a producer early on. I don't know. I mean look rick rubin passed on us. Peter collins passed on us. Max norman passed on us but lang passed on us. Bruce spare burn passed on us. Then we worked with a jim for rachi and chas sanford and jim for did the rat the rat i engineer the first rat record. Jim sanford wrote missing you joan way. Everyone passed on us they. They didn't think we were very good. I guess. I don't know it's funny. Because when i peter collins was doing my first wife sandy sarah's second i'll be said sh sh i regret passing on you. I should have did that. You know your first record. No no don't regret that because it wouldn't have came out the same way. It was meant to be how it was so you know. Tom tries telling the story toms that he he literally had to get. He got down on his knees and begs steve thompson and michael barbaro to produce the band. If you ask tom he'd say that that's what he did. But you know they. They've passed on us as as did every other record labels. So it's just you know i i. There's just part of the story that i felt. I should say you know. Look it was never easy for the band. You know we weren't like you know we always were pushed up against the wall and had to work hard Where you talk about a you have issues with the first record sonically. Even though it was successful the river bonnet is is too much for you. You don't like the way it sounds sonically. And that you'd like one day to be able to remix it. Was there any been any headway towards that. If you ever made any real strides towards imagine universal loans the master to talk about one in and remix or is that something that could be in the box set. We never know me. And steve thompson talk about it all the time when we talk even he says i'd like to remix it. You know there's too much reverberate. And and i like we'll we should do it. Let's do it so if we do ever get to this box set thing you know maybe it would be Something that would be nice to include in the box set. And you know i've never thought of that and you know what that's a great idea. Eddie i think i'll take that to the forum and see you know then then that'd be great. 'cause i would love to redo it with michael and steve and you know because i always say that psychotic suppers the most representative album of that time you know those first four or five three busted out of what the band actually should sound like i think we nailed it on on psychotic supper and i think we nailed it again on into the now those two records i think are really good snapshots at how i how i think we sound so Do you have brian. You have the masters because you know. Your masters are owned by universal. We know that was that big fire. Do you know if the test is survive. I'm told that you know. Our stuff was destroyed in the fire. But i don't know what is the actual. Yeah i i don't know if it's the actual masters as well or if they were backups. Or or what but troy says. He has a a reference copy of of the multi-track on the first album. Because there's only twenty four tracks was only on one one tape machine then everyone after that was on to tape machines hooked up and i think he busted that was on three tape machines at some point in time And then we went into pro tools where you could just have unlimited tracks if you wanted to so If troy has it that'd be a nice thing to do love to do it. Yeah you talk about speaking of troy another thing. That really jumped out at me. Early on is the fact that i love choice playing. I love watching troy play with you guys. I love the pocket he lays down. I love how he hits the drums. he's always been. I've always enjoyed watching him play and obviously hearing play but early on You guys talk about re having some issues there to the point that there was a the the i guess it was the producers thomson barbero. Talk toyed with the idea of bringing in tony thompson to play drums on the first record. Yeah i mean we didn't have an issue. Personally not banned i think thompson and barbero had issue. So you know thompson and barbero. I remember there was a few conversations between Zoo tied in my. You know obviously I i i got to. I was in a lot of those conversations. Because that was kinda like the key guide between the management and the band. And and tom and you know as i recall it. I remember steve thompson. And michael barbaro mentioning. Well we'd like to bring tony thompson and that's the power supply guy right well. He was from sheikh originally soon power station but a a tremendous drummer. Amazing pocket guy. He passed away a number of years ago but he played a he played with one of the zeppelin reunion shows. I mean right player. But i don't i don't see how like it was troy player. Then that he is now. I i don't think he i think he was fine. I think is something that again that you know. This was another obstacle. We had overcome because this was one of the things that thompson and barbara era were saying before they they I think agreed to produce the album. We want to bring in tony thompson you know. And and we sh we said no. Obviously choi's on there every liquor that album you know. I like i said in the book. I don't even know troy ever knew it but you know now he does. I mean you know it's you know. Maybe you knew. I don't know i mean also. I'm sure i'm going to hear from them once. He was anybody in the band. Read the book or do they have it or have you heard from anybody about it. I know it's not out till tomorrow. But there's advances out if the other band members gotten it. no no. I didn't give them to him. I mean tell me right whatever. Jeff said look brian white. Whatever you want it's all true. Okay frank I did run. One thing by frank that i that i put in the book because i wasn't sure you know how comfortable he'd be having his kids read. You know that made him doing this. Big bunch of cocaine At the time and he was like. Yeah that's fine my kids know. Is you know it's no big deal. Troy i i didn't i didn't hand copy to and and dave i didn't and tommy i don't speak with so certainly you know didn't send it to him So no they haven't read it but let me ask you last night. And i gave him a copy. Okay well let me ask you this about the early days as well that that is I've always thought. And it was one of the things beyond the music. That i i connected with when i first saw tesla i. I told this story many times that the first time i heard you guys and saw you guys being on the east coast was when you popped up on one of those. Mtv countdown shows with modern day cowboy. And here's a band at that time. That checked every box for what i was into to two great guitar players. Great vocals melody hardrock. Everything just the band just jumped out at me. Not only the music. When i heard it but the look of the band that i said to myself. Wow in this time where. Everybody's trying to look prettier than the next and these crazy outfits and the stuff that was going on visually at that time. Here's a band out there. Playing in jeans and t-shirts feel honest to goodness rock band with. None of that stuff going on was were you ever. Were you guys ever pressured early on coming out in the mid eighties with all this stuff. You had behind you. Gaffe management everything to pretty it up. Did you ever get pushed to put on the eyeliner. Poof out the hair put on costumes Yeah yeah we did early. And i think there's a photo shoot somewhere flying around. I don't know who did it With us with the teased hair and makeup and all that stuff and we just went we went. This is us and peter and cliffs said nam. And that's not you and you know that had a double edged sword to it. Because i also say that look. We never got any covers of any magazines. We didn't get a lot of press because we didn't you know we weren't putting on costumes and all that stuff so we weren't a real image kind of a band was more you know we were. We were judged more on our our our music. I guess then you know none of us were out. You know we weren't great looking guys You know that that know you could put on the cover of creamer circus or hit parade or we only got one cover in our whole career and Lawn friend put Jeff on the cover of rip when we put out psychotic supper and he's got this army home but on. You looks thrashed. It's it's great you know but There was never know image thing because we kinda resisted it and just kind of stayed true to what we were what we thought we were. Which is what we still think we are. You know and we. We just didn't do it and not that i'm knocking anyone. That did you know what. I i don't mean been. Yeah but it's just. They tried it early on. We did one photo session that way we went no pasadena and We just went back to doing what we what we normally do. Yeah i think. I think it. Although at the time it may not have seen like seem like a big deal. I think it was a very very bold. Move to make i think. In retrospect it probably helped you guys out a lot because you are viewed as a as a real just american straight up hard rock band versus being pigeonholed. Even though for years. I screamed people when they would put because i hate the term hairband but when people would put you guys in that categorization i i would. I would say what are you talking about. Tesla does not belong there. I've said that because you never fell into that even though you always going to get associated with it. Yeah i mean. I tell people we're more like the black crowes in the sense of you. Know they never called the black crowes a hairband and they came out here. Later chris robinson looked prettier than jeff keys. Ever did Right it's just the way they use that term in a condescending way totally. That's the thing that gets under my ass. Is they say it condescending and and and it's like well why are you gotta be condescending about it. Almost like they're trying to discredit the music and look. They're great bands in great records. That were made that are considered hair bands. So you know completely hungry complaint bullshit the way you know whoever you know the press or whoever you know the hipsters few will you know wanted to call and they called us but rock to. I never heard this. i remember. We went up north east and we were on tour promoting not and we were up in seattle and portland area. Whatever and we were playing you know places on our own larger theaters and did quite well. And they're like yeah usually but rock don't do good up here for some ridiculous speaking of photos speaking of image and speaking of visual the other thing that you're pretty you're really open about in the book in something. I can certainly sympathize with having battled my weight over the decades is your weight and your image and you being the quote unquote fat guy. Put them in the back of the pictures you know. It's your story early on where your manager. Whatever said it's okay. He's not the singer. Just put him in the back during the first photo shoot. There's a f- a phenomenally funny story about the first time you did a session with your friend ross. How often and in new york and the hooker comes by but read that in the book. It's fantastic but that's the photo session. He told us put them in the back. He's not the right so that so you you are very like i said you're you're honest about everything the book and you lay it out there that that's always been a battle and what i found interesting which i didn't know. Is you attribute that the roots of your weight problems which are now a lot connected to your health problems that you're dealing with but back then you attributed it to. You used to work at mcdonald's and it was the first time you had like free reign on food and you just ate a lotta junk food early on as a kid. Yeah well yeah. From the time i was like i think i was twenty one or twenty two when we made mechanical resonance so from you know i the time i was like eighteen to twenty one twenty two. Was you know had access to all this. Mcdonald's food which i never got as a kid. 'cause we we couldn't afford it so i i went kind of you know like the kid in a candy shop and went kind of nuts and it was when mitch that you know. Put them in the back You know he's not the lead singer then. I went away after that photo. Shoot and we were gone for six months before we started the david lee roth tour and i lost eighty pounds. Yeah you talk about how you did that. Yeah he pissed me off. And then once i got down to that way i struggled keeping down at that weight. And that's when i developed this kind of belichick thing you know for four four years. It's my career. You know up until probably bust a nut. And then i stopped. That and i was fine until two thousand one. And then i developed auto immune disease and colitis. And then i don't know people know about colitis an autoimmune disease but the only thing that really combats it is printed zone so i spent four years unprinted on which put all this on so my weight goes up and down up and down up and down too depending on whether or not. I'm taking prentice zone. And then the actual drugs the daily drugs. I take for the auto immune disease wanna keep weight on you anyways. They make you kinda a much harder to lose weight so it's a struggle. I mean i'm constantly. You know that's why you you'll see me one year. I look rounder in the next year. You go brian. You look better. You lost them away. It's just it's up and down for me right right. Brian wheat is my guest. The book is called son of a milkman. We're just scratching the surface on all these amazing stories. They tell of his His life story early on and also a bulk of it about his his time as a as a member which is still still happening With a truly great band tesla. Everything's in there the good the bad the ugly and you definitely want to check it out but in the remaining minutes that i have. It's two things i want to ask you about you. Talk about the drugs. You talk about the issues and how it manifested itself the alcohol and all of that within the band. You talk about for drugs. It's something you got into much later. And obviously you talk about the fact that for tommy ski. Oh it was his undoing in the band you you talk about the struggles that you had with him Giving them opportunities to come back even playing as a single guitar band for a little bit which actually saw one of those shows i. I was at irving plaza in new york. I watched you play standing with your manager cliff bernstein and as much as i love frank. Never forget cliff turning to me and saying what do you think. And i said i think the better find the second guitar player. 'cause they're great but all of this stuff was built onto guitars and his greatest. Frank is missed that other guitar. So we so you cover the ski stuff in the book is best you can but you mentioned earlier. You don't have a relationship with them and you don't talk to them anymore. Was it difficult for you to write about him in this book because there were a couple times in reading it where you allude to a member but you don't name the person was that because of You know i mean. I was reading between the lines. That was tommy. Because why else wouldn't you name him. You named everybody else. Did you have to skirt around some stuff with tommy in this book. I don't know if i had to skirt around it i i. It's funny. I i don't i don't i. I'm wondering trying to think what it was. Been around the time. The last action hero soundtrack or something. You mentioned one time. You don't blame the person well look Maybe because maybe it wasn't tommy at all maybe it was just for maybe it was troy or maybe it was frank. Maybe i just didn't want name who it was. It's probably why didn't say who was In terms of skirt around it. Now i just told i tried to keep my points on tommy. You know factual things he's already said. I mean he's old everybody. He was kicked out of the ban because the drugs you know and and so. That's you know that's where i say. Kicked have been because of drugs. I'll go on there and say look at a time. When he was great he was great. You know when he was firing on all cylinders he was great. You couldn't ask for a better guy than him but when he lost his way he was awful. It was horrible and You know. I kinda just. It's it's tough with me and him. Because i feel like me and him go back and forth at each other and interview. Sometimes it's kind of this. And i think even say that in the book i say look. I've said things about him. He said things about me. Some of them were out of spite somewhere out of anger. But you know when he was good he was good and i wish him all the best. Why don't you have a relationship with them now. You said you don't talk to him Do you ever hope to men that. Do you think he's changed. Do you think he's better ever liked relationship with him no. I don't think he's better. No it's not. It's not that it's like look i went around the world twice with him and you know he. They said some pretty nasty things about me and has attacked. You know attacked my bass playing and called me a fucking elephant and you know shit like that I just don't think he's a very nice guy. You know personally. And i don't know if i can get in trouble for saying that but this is my personal deal. I mean him. Just don't we don't jive. So i don't i don't hope to ever rekindle That relationship with him. I tried. I mean you know what he doesn't talk about is the whole time. He was back in the band. You know as he takes pot at me the whole time. He was back in the band. The second time he stayed with me and monique every single time he stayed in my house with meat and stay with jaffe. Stay with frank with trae. Stay with brian and me and him were great. We were fine and then you know. When he gets out of the ban the second time again he starts taking shots at me. And maybe it's because i'm the one guy that calls you out on your shit but you know i'll say this on your show the world. I am not responsible for him. Being kicked out of the band he was voted out of the band. Unanimously by jeff by troy by frank and by brian and by. You know tom's utsa. Who was our manager at the time. Everyone agreed that it was time to make the change so he targeted me as he as he does. And i've heard him say to people you know. He was escape. Go this sat me other. He wasn't a scapegoat. I mean it is what it is. It's it's it's you know. Sometimes things just don't work. I mean we bent over backwards to try to keep him in the band and it just got to a point where we couldn't do it anymore so that the business issue of it right the issue of do i ever want to be friends with them again. No because obviously the friendship. I had it with them wasn't real to begin with. I mean look you have fight. You have arguments with your brothers. And i consider franken jeff and troy my brothers but it's never gotten like you did between with me and him and you know basically him coming at me all the time you know making it. I mean you know you've talked to him. Probably several times. And i talked to him off record and he targets me and and just knew why why would i wanna go back to that well. He's never really done that with me because he probably knows how much i love the band and love all you guys. So i've never really had that experience with them myself. But i i can appreciate where you're coming from on it. I'm running out on on time here. But i gotta ask you about this somebody else from your past who you do still have a close relationship. Interestingly enough in the book is your first wife who you mentioned earlier. Sandy syrian now for people who are hardcore eighties rock fans. I still get a lot of questions. People ask me about sandy. She's from where. I live new jersey and you mentioned you helped her get a deal or you helped her get signed up with q prime when i look back on her story and you have over in the book you say your current life and you and her still friends. I think that's wonderful. Why do you think she didn't make it. With those two records. She had polygram she had q. Prime which you said you brought into the picture. Why do you think it didn't happen for her. I always thought that it's all in all that. I'll tell you i'll tell you why i used to tell sandy. The same thing the style of music. She was wanting to play and she was playing. I thought was very hard for a woman to front a hard rock band like that to the kind of success. I felt she could have had had she been singing stuff. Like pinker selene. Beyond or you know lady gaga. I think sandy would have been huge because she's amazingly talented. She's a great singer. But i think it was difficult you know. I think it's just difficult for a woman to front a hard rock band. Like a tessler. Aerosmith i mean yeah sure. Kristie hines in very successful. What that's more americana sounding mainstream rock. It's not like you know aerosmith kind of harder harder hard rockets if you will and i think maybe that's why i mean. She certainly any you know she's she was amazing looking and she could sing like a bird. And and i don't know why you know. I put her with clinton and peter and then they they had peter colon producers or second record and and we all hoped it would have done well but you know it just didn't do what everyone and had hoped. Yeah yeah We only have a couple of minutes. But i know this is probably an important thing you wanna put out and you end the book talking about this but you talk about your own struggles with health. You talk about your own struggles with mental health therapy all those things and you also put a really important message at the end of the book about suicide prevention. And if you're struggling. And i know that was something that i thought. That was great that you included that in. Close the book out like that. Well you know. I talk about in the book out when i the only time i ever met chris cornell i was driving him around with ross in. La and ross uzun. A photo shoot. Never met chris or anything but during the course of this three or four hours were together. Medium started talking. And chris started telling me about how he was having really bad idea tax. Which i and had. Since i was fourteen. I never heard anyone else in a band. You know tell tell me they had gone through the same thing so i kind of like you know it. It hit me. Kind of like whoa. You know there's this superstar frontman. Chris cornell he's got the same thing and then it wasn't too long after i met him he committed suicide. And then you know it was a big fan anthony bourdain and then anthony bourdain killed himself and then chester. I wasn't a big fan over. Did know him or anything but you know he killed himself. And i used to sit there and say look i. I don't understand you know how can get so bad for somebody with depression that they were just in their life and last year when we were up on on tour with def leppard in canada. I got off my anxiety medicine. I 'cause i didn't want to take it anymore. You don't wanna take pills. I don't know about you. But i don't i you know it's like so i got up this pack so and i was okay but once i i got off it and i got up on tour up there in canada all the sudden. Not having that medicine. Which i'd been on for ten years through in this just really fung Depression and i wouldn't. I would stay in my bunk the whole day and just get up to take a shower and play the show and then while i was on stage in canada supporting leopard in front of twenty thousand people i'd be having these anxiety attacks and trying to play right in the vision would get tunnel vision all this shit. I'm freaking out. And at that point i could understand. Maybe why someone would get so overwhelming for somebody that they the only way out would be to in their life. No i'm not saying. I ever contemplated suicide because i did but i understood it at that point if if i'm if i'm being clear hey music meets brian. I hate to cut you off especially in this important conversation. But i'm out of show there. They'll clip me. If i don't end on time so sorry worry. Were done man. But i love the book but the number there for people you know. I thought it was great. I thought it was really important. Okay hey thank you so much. Best of luck with the book. It's called son of a mill. it's out tomorrow. 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American Truck Simulator withJack Allison

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American Truck Simulator withJack Allison

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Until i can hit that That playstation head right to the vault if the playstation you're gonna you're aiming for a playground for jungle gym pride to roger. i got seventeen. Sammy b's looking for that. Good old echo cooler. Okay look i hope this is some sort of prank. Because that's the only way. I can fathom don imaginable horror. You've just described but no way they see the sirens. Oh my god there you are. You just passed me this this bill juice and then i head straight up through the red line in a eat myself. Some twizzlers and rainfall donkey that lasts for being. I'm getting. I'm getting feel and twizzlers from the gas station and i'm looking. We whole lumber from tucson reno swap way points for way stations in big rig driving game american truck simulator this week on. How did this get played. Hey it's out of the skip. Play the show where we discussed the worst and weirdest end. Weapons smith easiest video games of all time. Wow that third. W courtesy of at damn you vodka submit yours at get played potash hashtag www. before w nick wider along with heather anne campbell. I'm heather anne campbell. Every every tiny detail that is different about an grow yards me out and i can only assume it weirds out. Is that permanent now. are we just doing. Hey i don't know. I just thought i'd mix it up more casual energy. It sent me into a panic. Hi hello. I'm dan campbell. Along with next nearby. Our producer matt abadaka. Hello everyone hello everyone and hey back bucket. A side of something i threw in a. Hey it's instead of welcome to and you're saying that the vibe is completely off now. I thought it was fine. You're drinking he also. You're just chilling it. Summertime baby easy. Oh no and hey we got a. We had some. I'd say some easy relaxing gaming with this week's title. There's different than i did. Well we'll talk about it but before we descend into gaming held his first time to briefly touch on a game. We're currently enjoying my spending seventy seconds in gaming heaven. Matt take it away all right so i got the game and watch super mario brothers edition. It was a little handheld. I'm showing it on the screen. Here that was released for the mario thirty fifth anniversary and it comes loaded with a clock and mario super mario brothers and super mario brothers. The loss levels. Here it's listed. As super mario brothers to and game watch ballgame and i got it because i went to a wedding this weekend and i knew i was going to be alone for a little while because my girlfriend was a bridesmaid and i didn't know anybody at the wedding and i thought i need to get this thing because it's perfect. The form factor if in my pocket like if in my pants per didn't make a bulge and it's it's so fun to be playing. Mario but the thing that i forgot about mario is that it's it's hard. It is so hard. I was dying left. And right and then you can do a thing on here where you can get infinite. Lives which it's not as fun because he knows the challenge of playing it but doing it and going through them. There's there's a lot of game in this thing. And i don't know fifty bucks a good enough price point for it but if you can find one get him before. You can't get them anymore. Because i had a great time with it at this wedding. I have a question for you apodaca. Yeah do so. My thought about the mario game and watch which i guess i know the answer to. Because i've used a gameboy before but having a game as challenging super mario in your hand while the controller is also the thing that you're looking at did you find it hard to look at the screen while also inputting stuff. No maybe at first. Because we're like if you can see where the direction and the buttons for input are at the very at the screen. They're low so. I had to adjust to it but i can now not look at it. I mean i have to look at the screen of course but i. It took me a while to get used to the just to wear the buttons. Were but i really like it and it's a good. This is now going with me anywhere. Where i might seem like. I'm bored for even five minutes. I'm just going to have it on my person at all times like a child yet can absolute child with like a pacifier. Yeah it is. It is aesthetically pleasing. Just just a nice looking piece of art where it looks like. It's model on the many famicom skin of it. Yeah it's basically like that small it's like about as you know maybe about. It's a little bigger car. Looks bigger than the the game boy micro. It's pretty thin though. That's the other in. So just the fact i mean it. Just so funny. I was playing this all weekend even outside of the wedding. We went well past the clock but my girlfriend was making fun of me because she was like you like we're agonizing over getting a ps five and you're playing mario on a flat little piece of nothing. You can't beat the classes baby. It's true you can't and hey you can't beat our guest today. All our guest co hosts the podcasts struggle session in the twits show jack. Am which you can watch mondays through fridays. At seven am pacific ten am eastern at twitch dot tv slash. Jack am jack alison hijack. Hi there thanks for having me. Thanks so much for being here. Jack how you stream every day. You're streaming this is this is like your life you were streaming this morning. You go right into doing a podcast record. Yeah what have i done to myself. I created a disaster where i needed as much as the people who watch it needed writing the now. I am required to wake up at five. Am every day. No one asked me to do that and do a show. I've turned myself into truly strange individual. But it's a fun show and everybody should go ahead and check it out. I absolutely as a fun show. And i know you you stream a lot there. It's it's it's it's it's a talk format but you also stream both on your show and in general including today's game which we'll get to in a second but i'm curious like as someone who was a gamer you know. I know. A very very hardcore gamer for many many years. And then you got into streams beer casuals you know how did you how did streaming modify your gaming habits. Well to be honest with you. I don't know if it's like modified my gaming habits. I can't say that like there are better games to stream and there are like games. That are more fun to extreme in games. that are more fun to like play. You know what i mean like i screamed all of the metal gear solid games for for a bit and that was like one of my better experiences with it because like i've played those games enough that i don't really have to like be paying that close of attention. You know what i mean and you're kind of like this. You know you know displaying it for people you know but yeah it's an interesting. It's a weird thing because it's like you feel like oh you should just play the games that you like the best and that you're playing right now but like it's different. You know what i mean like is a kind of presentational aspect to streaming streaming now. A lot more like you know. Do you play dream. Daddy on your own time or is that just. That's just for funsies. But i have streamed. I did stream a game. We talked about on the podcasts. And matt's done some streaming as well but we're coffee talk and copy talk. I found was great for streaming. Because it's it's just a visual novel with some very light puzzle elements where you're put it. You're literally making drinks a barista but like that's just like you were saying so much of it is engaging with the chat and if it's something i have to pay attention to or something like where. I'm going to get frustrated. I myself. I find my attention diverted but matt you played some you were streaming something. What were you streaming. I've been streaming like my way through. Kingdom hearts kingdom hearts series. And i've been playing on my own off stream and then coming back in it so sometimes like one of my more recent streams people watched me like really stifle actual anger. Because i was just. I want them to see me this way and i don't plan on showing them that side of me. It was just. It was really really bad. They watched me do the same thing. Maybe ten times right. It was really humiliating. As as a non streamer somebody like. I have zero judgment for it. That's not why. I'm not a streamer but like it seems like the most daunting thing to begin like you set up all your shit like. That's that's three or four google sessions of optimize under streaming. And then like what. If feels i the only thing. I can liken it to which i don't experience is stagefright leg. It feels to me like uh stagefright kind of thing like how did you guys step over that line. What was your first streaming experience for me for me personally. There's a software called ob s. Which is open broadcasting software. And you basically just need to learn this horrible software. Your question like i already know after effects. And i know some editing stuff and stuff like that so that did give me like a slight leg up i know about alpha channels and how to create looping backdrops and things like that but then also you know like what matt was describing about being frustrated at the video game like you just have to sort of like inner yourself too like you are going to have some extremely frustrating and horrible times with the streaming software itself like sure. It's insanely hard. And there's a reason why television shows have a staff of one hundred and fifty people to stream out live stuff. You know what. I mean doing it on your own. Just sucks the thing. I will say though as far as the stress levels is like people like to watch that. That's the thing is like people are down with the stream to like grow with you and they're happy to see like missteps and like things being messed up because it's like fun for the audience to see it get better you know what i mean and so that's what i usually like when i'm if i'm trying to give people like nice advice about streaming as i'm like just fuck up and do it really badly and like just get out there and start doing them you know and you'll just kind of get better at it over time and frankly like people will will enjoy watching that process and it will also sort of let let alleviate the perfectionism from yourself i guess. Yeah i on that note. I will say that. Like so for instance i was streaming. A family feud for playstation four. On and i was like. Oh this'll be fun and did in. The chat can participate. We can get a crowd some of these answers and it was. But like i was like i was loading up the game for the first time i was like oh wait i have to create a ubisoft account and everyone was so tickled that i had to like soft account on stream to play this fucking garbage game show adaptations. Yeah people love that shit. I mean it's true like you know. Never get to see the hosts on the you never get to see quick. Chris cuomo be like how the fuck this is. Fix the teleprompter. How do i fix this fun. Also my brother's innocence. I came out of nowhere. You mentioned the middle gear solid series and originally reached out to you. it was. we couldn't make it work out but but we we couldn't make it work out. Because i don't check my g mail and i didn't notice the email for i think forty five days after so that's gonna be a big all my bad i was going gloss over that all that said you are a big hideo kojima fan. We wanted to have you on for hideo number. Because i know you have a passion for the metal gear solid franchise but also responded to death. Stranding i love that streaming. And you know i. I played a lot of death stranding during the pandemic and you know it's a very sort of meditative game. Yes it's also. I mean i- hideo came out reasonably and was like i was surprised. At how quickly death stranding came true you know it was like i played dead stranding and my first when i first played it i was like this little out there hideo like you know i get into all this stuff with the con- like conspiracies and the government and everything but like a world where everybody stays indoors and only delivery. Drivers are outside like that's insane. I don't know like it's weird because you know it was a game that kind of reminds you of the pandemic but also like. Here's what i like about about death. Stranding is it's like it's like being a gig worker but your work truly like matters that's the thing is like you're like a post mate where everybody is like thank you you're rebuilding the world and like you're creating the new america sam bridges or whatever like i don't know there's something satisfying about just doing tasks for people and i guess like being a hero for it. You know what i mean like for sure and i guess that also in some ways like kind of you know predicted or presage the like frontline responder of it all right as we actually were turning like ralph's employees into the troops to convince them to keep working for minimum wage and expose themselves to a disease like that is like kind of the very same as the way people treat sam bridges or whatever. Sam bridge is very much a frontline. Worker in-depth stranding. Yeah they and it's just like wait a minute. Did i really need to risk like my life. They really need to risk being executed to bring you like these old issues of sue stack of magazines like magazines. And you have like like to get there. You had to go through like living oil. That like a wave comes out. You know drop someone off like yeah like mad. Magazine's there's something which is truly like actually like as i look at it i'm like and that's how i feel about what it was like for everybody delivering fucking chick-fil-a during the pandemic for people had to go out there and to like a truly scary world to get people some totally frivolous shit so that they could all stay in their in appear via hologram. That's the other thing with stranding is it was. It's all leave at doorstep delivery. You know what. I mean just appears to you over video chat like a ring doorbell like thanks a lot sams later. Yeah it's such it's crazy and there's such huge moments when you actually do get to interact with someone in person like you know ma or you know hartman or whoever because traffic that young woman when you traffic that person someone's like i need my anime girlfriend and you have to like bring her on your back or whatever in a body bag give her a piggyback mistake conan. O'brien who actually means his like anime girlfriend brought to them or maybe it was a different guy with cone and maybe conan was just the cost player or something like that. Yeah right. I mean we've talked about how the how big the positive feedback over the top. It is and death stranding. That's just like such like a com but but it is like it's it's like a metal layer of like it's not just that i'm trying to get more stats in. The game is just actually getting praised from an. 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But i guess i guess you know i said a lie and by omission or anyway yeah so we i guess you showed me and even gillian gunn pla and i showed you the perfect grade unicorn that i've been working on for months which large enough for that. You might be able to step into it when you're wouldn't it be great saying it's one of the saddest things in the world to me that there actually is no tactical advantage to creating a man shaped like giant robot. Because it just is sad. I want there to really be mixed like this is what i was hoping for when japan was allowed to start building up its army again. I was like okay. Maybe mechta and super boring there was a company in the mid. Two thousand early two thousands. That would do demos at anime expo and they were building a real functional mech with their their desire to be. I think i've talked about this. On the show before their desire was to license the technology to the military so on a private level they were doing it because they loved anime but on a financial level. They were doing it. So that when they figured out how to make these weight-bearing joints that they could then license that tech. We love anime so much that you lied. That you like 'cause thousands of syrians to get gunned. I wonder what happened to those guys. I wish even remembered what the name of that that company was but yeah. Here's what i wish says. It's the umbrella corporation. I wish that there was recreational. Mec use like. I wish you could go to japan and sit in the cockpit of the life-sized gun them that they made. I know sit. Get your photo taken. Get out the next person sits in it. yes they should have. They should be like boats. You should be able to rent like a gun. Dumb like a ski. Do you know what i mean. And just like take out a gun to like a field or something to run around for a little bit like come on like are we not there yet. I remember at one point. There was a there was discussion. Got i think in the mid two thousands or the nineties during during one of the big vegas booms when they're just building fucking everything you know. There was discussion where someone had proposed a fifty foot tall. Walking michael jackson that would just roam the desert near las vegas and just like that. I can't believe that didn't happen. And that'd be the most amazing sunday. The michael jackson shows up to burning man and takes on the also discussed building. The star trek hotel would be the enterprise they were thinking about building. A scale. replica of the enterprise. That would be the hotel that you would stay in and it would just be sort of like docked on the ground. Which is i mean. Obviously impossible because they didn't do it but there were like plans designs that were proposed. I was really actually. I went to. I went to galaxies. Ed's recently and i've been watching star trek and i like actually bummed that there is no current standing like star trek experience that you can go to like there. Used to be one in vegas like the all been. His point is very very sad state of affairs and it's time for paramount to step up our friend our friends. Tony drew who we all know their last experience pre quarantine was going on star trek crews such a foreign experienced to what we like what followed they landed. Post pandemic right. They came back. I think so. Yeah like can you imagine getting stuck for like thirty days on the star trek crews like how the folks got talked with kobe. Like pantene. Just on the star trek crews. At least michael dorn would be there. At least so i it sounds like from the what you're saying about building gun plot and you know certainly playing stranding i had the same experience of it being kind of meditative and calming and i know heather. That isn't how you felt about today's game. But that's sort of what. I what i was playing today's game i was like this is why people play this. It's because it's just. It's the kind of gaming experience that. I've come to crave as i've gotten older. Which is something where i it's like. Easing into a warm bath is like this is something that's going to soothe me for a bit. This is not something that's going to make me more alert or more agitated or even more excited even like this is so fun that i'm getting excited. It's more just like this is something that's going to sort of you know. This is like putting on a pair of pajamas. I'm gonna. I'm gonna calm down while playing this and that's very much. What i felt was playing through american truck simulator. By contrast yesterday i played horizon zero dawn and it was such a hard difficulty that i gave my hand. I i hurt myself like the back of my hand hurts as if i have a sustained an injury from playing on the playstation five. But let's talk about american truck simulator. Americans are injured by wrist as well. I was gonna say this is why we need like gamers. Health insurance should be special insurance. Just for gamers horsehair could put it together or something like that like you have a neon card or something. That'll be nice. American truck simulator is a truck simulator. Game that was published by the czech company s cs software. I think it's important to note. This is not an american game game. It was released in two thousand sixteen games from two thousand sixteen. include overwatch. dark souls. Three uncharted for titanfall to final fantasy. Fifteen in the game american truck simulator. You are a big rig driver who is tasked with delivering goods across the western united states. As of this month the states you can explore include california nevada arizona new mexico oregon washington utah idaho and colorado so a significant portion of the united states that has been rendered at one to twenty scale. I think yeah and you do. Exactly i mean like i don't know how to drive a truck and it's real ish. That's the game it's like what if you what if you were doing this for real shoot. Yeah but it is and i. I knew about this game. Because i i know. Jack is sunk dozen hours into it and and streams it but like i always assumed it was a little bit more simi than it is not that it's not semi it's like it feels like driving a truck actually the vehicle physics are you know essentially controls smoother than expected. I thought truck would be more unwieldy but but it has arcadi elements to it's like. There's you know when you when you go to the like the way station or whatever. There's like an icon on the map. There's a skill tree which i was not expecting like you can get like skill in like transporting hazardous materials or fuel economy. You know like there are some kind of light. Rpg elements and make it feel more like a game but yes fundamentally is taking items from point a to point b up. Jack how did you get into american trucks. And i just in doing streaming. This always seemed like kind of an interesting odd one to do. I think that know the plan was to do one of these kinds of marathons streams you know people always do these twenty four hour streams and everything like that and i thought it would be funny. I'd streamed american truck simulator a couple of times. And so i thought it'd be funny to do like an actual the legal limit of what a truckers you know like daily schedule can be like and so what that is is. I think. Sixteen hours with a one hour break that can be like spread anywhere within that sixteen hours you know so i did a sixteen hour stream of it and you know as it turned out i kind of had you know the experience that you did. I was like this is going to be a nightmare. This is going to be like horrible and it is just like very very satisfying to take stuff from one place to another now. I will say this if you get into a little bit more of like the role play elements and if you're like getting into like borrowing money to buy your truck and everything like that because obviously you do wanna have a good truck. I think one of the biggest things that you know new players should learn. Is you gotta get a truck that has cruise control you know. And that's gonna take you like volvo. You're not getting that like one of the peterbilt trucks or something like that you know. You have to get like the volvo with the sleeper cabin. You know what i mean and it also is this weird it becomes an. This is not intentional but it becomes this bizarre thing about like. It's impossible to get your head above water like as a trucker like if you start taking out loans and stuff like that you're doing all these deliveries and you find that you're just always in the red but to answer your question like i just thought it would be a funny and weird game to stream. I mean there's always like the farm simulators and stuff like that and i've tried farm simulator. This i think that american truck simulator is like so much more playable than those games. You know like. I think that like it kind of exists in a world that we know from video games. Like it's all yours like it's almost. Gte ish in some ways where you're just like are driving on the streets and you have a checkpoint to get to you. Know what i mean like. There's something very meditative about it but still feels like very familiar as a video game and they had. There was mentioning which i find very interesting. They've released as dlc like almost like ten states now and so like there is something also interesting about traveling around the united states and they do try to make each place look like distinctively like the state like it is getting way to just go on like a road trip around america. I will say as someone who's lived in california his entire life. I believe like you as well jacket and met all three of us lifelong california southern californians and i like the two states. I've spent the most time in outside of california or nevada arizona and those are the three states included in the base game so driving around. And i was like you know. It's it's not. It's not one to one but it is like. Oh this is these are roads. I know i've done this this drive from this boring ass. Drive from la to san francisco so many times. This is fundamentally the same drive just much much smaller scale. I there is. There's a thing that another thing i like. The someone who's lived in california is a life is like when you go to a new area a new city. You get like a little like notification like you've discovered that so like you'll just drives field rolled into iron forge for the first time. One thing i did with this game and if you really want to go to the next level is there is a mod to do. Vr in this game and so doing the streams. I eventually got a steering wheel and pedals. And so i did one time. I didn't do it upstream because it makes people sick but just personally alone. In my home i set up the wheel and the pedals and i put the vr. In and i was like. I actually am like vibe. Ing like this is like taking a relaxing dry. Do you do you like it. Because i didn't mess around with the in game radio. There's some some work you have to do on a like to get that working but do you like put your own import your music library and listen to it. When you're playing on your own. So nick i have to. I have to be honest about you know then. There is a way to get even more hardcore with allow american truck simulator and it is it the my preferred way to play and it does kind of cut out some of the radio stuff. But there's a mod called truckers. Mp and what it does is it. Empties out all the cars from the game. There's no like traffic in the game anymore. But it's a fully multi-player arena where you're in there with a bunch of other truckers. And so i say the best way to do. It is play truckers. Mp and just leave that cb open because there are allow literal truck driving role players. Who will like try. Breaker breaker like. I'm coming with a big hall. Sounds good or whatever. It's hilarious to these servers are too serious. You'll get kicked for speeding. You have to turn on your lights at night real so to answer. I never loaded my music up. I think the better. Wow my experience of the game would be that. I would immediately be kicked off those servers because as i'm on the road driving down the five for my first delivery i was like maybe i enjoy this a little bit more if i switched cameras so i switched cameras and immediately created a blind spot in front of my truck where royd a family car like just ran off the road and also there wasn't a moment where i was like oh shit and had to break and nothing just suddenly ran a car off the road and from that point forward it's like oh i'm i'm role playing a criminal. What my experience of this is blowing past ways stations. Going into the red immediately. Like the was the anti-death stranding experience. Because i was making everybody in the game miserable and then once i played that i i was like well. I don't wanna. I don't wanna do this again. It's it's it's a weird game guys geared. One well. I think the so so to to your point i was really expecting like microsoft flight simulator. Expecting this this like okay. This is a this is a fifty minute drive from bar sto to stockton however long it his longer than that. I was like okay. This'll be this'll be the delivery. All do today in this session like this and then it was like oh wait. No one minute in game is three seconds in real time. You know like you were saying. It's one twentieth scale so but the other thing is i was expecting there to be things like. Oh i'm gonna get a ticket if i go over the speed limit or if i crash into something that's the end of my mission. But no like. I just like plowed through the sign. The insurance sign to get on the one. Oh one three way and there was just like find minus two hundred eighty five dollars. I think in the real world that would be career ending commercial driver's license but it's a game either. I have had the same experience. When i did it on stream i would and this was not on truckers because you get knocked off but i would play as what. I deemed the outlaw trucker. And so i try to break every lie could if it was nighttime i'd turn off the lights because that's a law and the non follow the law. And then yeah you just like haul ass and run people off the road like that's part of the fun of american you know there's also euro truck simulator. Which i think is came before. But i think it's a little lesser but i think that's part of the fun of american truck simulator is. It is a sim you get to decide. What kind of truck driver you wanna be. You know anything there's a. There's an element in this game. That i tried my my damndest with my xbox controller. They have hooked up to my pc and never got the hang of which is parking as someone who's sunk a lot of time to this game. Are you good at parking. The big rig fucking. It's so hard. When i got the like pedal and and like the like you know deer or whatever but it is insanely hard to and frankly i think that's probably the most accurate part of the of the simulation. Is that like it. Just it does seem legitimately like it would be impossible to pull a truck like straight into a parking space especially between other trucks. I have to salute truck drivers. You know sure able to do that stuff. It gives me a better appreciation immediately. That's what the game does by the way immediately. You're like oh my god. This job is impossible. First thing you do is just pull out from behind a building and it took me like when t- real world minutes i was so terrified of like hitting the edge of my before. I realized that i could kill people. It was okay. Like i was like okay. This is truck. Sam so like if i know that if i like damaged my cab. That's it so very slowly figuring out how to get my truck around a building was i. I will never literally never look at a truck driver the same way it'd be like you're doing the impossible. Sir i mean yeah like i also think you know. It's another another element that makes me respect truck drivers getting in and out of parking lots like there's times game where i'm like. How the fuck d- do this without jack-knifing it's like it's such a difficult task to get in and out of parking lots. And so i'm just gonna have to throw a salute. Whenever i see a truck driver along with the universal signal for honk that horn my friend. Speaking of the horn. I will say that's one of my few criticisms of this package. Which is the default horn. I was like man. I need a mod for a big old horn. Horn is so wimpy. Yeah that's why you need a better. That's why you need a better truck my friend. Trust 'cause i why that's why you gotta get yourself a volvo and you got to raid your horn. There's two types of horn word hailing with the like the push on the on the steering wheel horn. You can upgrade it to have like a earn horn. But that's an upgrade. You're not getting that on a fucking shitty little peterbilt my friend you gotta you gotta you gotta cast for that and maybe even man. I felt like a new. Because i got to the point where i bought my own truck and the second truck had the same hornet was like an oboe. Marcus john who is so fucking also look into the upgrade. So there's ways to bide right and then you have to get into the like all specific upgrades. You can get the mud flaps. You know you can really make yourself. You can really make pretty nice pretty nice truck out there. Have you guys seen the. I don't know the name of this subculture. But there is a japanese subculture where they like decorate big rig trucks until they are almost unreal like float in style like how covered in led's and like fuck feathered hats on top of your truck. I know now and it looks sick. I've never seen it before. It looks fucking awesome deck. Deco torah stands for decoration truck. Da ot o. Ara these kind of looked like like it's kind of transformers but also part like like be part of the electrical light parade at disneyland like they're just like covered with with a bunch of different lights but also at some point stop resembling trucks altogether. Yeah this is really a truck. Stop being a truck. It'll have like a hundred and fifty mufflers sticking out the front of the truck. It's a very strange deco. Deco torah deco toro. I guess we all learn something today. They need to have adecco torah maude. I'm now convinced we need the deco. Torah mod american truck simulator. Yeah wait till japanese truck simulator. We'll just have to wait to see what the folks over and check czechoslo of the czech republic. I also like a subset of the deco. Torah is deco chari. Which is where you decorate your bike. The way that you decorate a truck so they like take and downscale the but. I believe it's regular bicycles. it's not. Yeah you know. I'm looking at this and it's like a bicycle that people have put a bunch of boxes on to make it look as though and this seems like a common thing it look as though there's a bunch of exhaust pipes i've never. I've actually never seen and i kind of i find it appealing like the idea of exhaust pipes as like you know art decoration. You know what. I mean aesthetic just simply aesthetic exhaust by. Yeah yeah yeah hey speaking of pipes. What what my favorite route. I got while i was playing this game was i had to deliver a load of iron pipes to yuma arizona originating from the santa monica. Pierre what is what is this business. Starting basically outside a carnival. There's a wheel on the horizon. And i'm picking up a bunch of iron pipes to take him to yuma arizona. It's like taking a slab of granite from disneyworld to fuck in huntsville alabama. I mean i think for the folks over the czech republic. They probably thought the santa monica pierre has an active pier. I met they. There's there's a ferris wheel here but probably boats come. In you know the middle. It would be pretty great if there was that aspect to the santa monica pierre. We're like on the left. It's a carnival on the right. It's a shipping lane. Where are you a teamster or are you like a walk around character. Wow carney's teamsters going at it. I didn't try this in the game. Do you guys know of off road. Can you drive your truck off the road like into the desert or something so far. You can't go far it like blocks you at a certain point and tries to drive you back to the road but you can get off the road you can definitely fuck up your truck pretty bad and like jacket off on the side of the road but and which is hilarious by the way we should mention that like if you do that what you have to do is a tow truck and it just like costs a whole bunch of money and they like right. Tow your truck to like the nearest you know repair place or whatever but yeah. I don't think you can off-road this is really like a view of america's like highways and that's actually another thing. I actually do find kind of interesting. I guess about the game is i'm like similarly to grand theft auto. Which is you know. I guess they were a british. You know game game developer. And i think they've subsequently moved to america but those early grand theft auto zero like. Oh this is kind of like a british european. Look at like what. America seems like or something like sure and i think similarly this game is like a nice kind of eastern european. Look at like you know relaxing driving in the united states. You know what i mean like. This is a short started as euro truck simulator and. I do think it's interesting that they're like dude fully over time adding states as dlc. You know what i mean. And i feel like i just you know what's interesting about this game as you feel like maybe this could be like just a you know something that gets shuffled out really quickly and they could have repeated elements and stuff like that. But i do feel like. There's a lot of love in this game and that short and kind of feel that the developers have like really tried to make a very good and playable game like it's not just some like shit out there needs to be a truck simulator. Like i. I don't know i sense the love from our from our check developers in this game. That was going to be why we say we give a positive thing at at a on the show and that was going to be one of mine. Which is that it is. There was a game. I can't remember what it was. It might have just been called big rigs but there was like a legendary. Like piece of shovel wear like game in the nineties. Early two thousands when when game before the steam store when games are like all sold at retail and there would just be like. We'll just put a game with a truck on the front of it or we'll have like a game with a you know how we called deer hunter with a deer on the front. And this will sell to some grandpa or some mom whose kid likes trucks and the game can be complete garbage. It's a completely cynical calculation of like we're just making this fucking garbage pieces shovel. Wear to trick some parent into buying it to tricks. Some non gamer into buying it for their computer casual taking you know what they deserve it. Hello everyone do you wanna listen to episodes of how this played without the aunts that make sure you subscribe to stitcher premium for just five dollars a month. You can get every episode of how this played at free. you'll also get access to our premium. Dlc series you can get a free month by going to stitcher dot com slash premium selecting a monthly plan in entering the promo code plate that stitcher dot com slash premium. Promo code played. Your subscription helps support the show directly to so. Thanks but this game you're right. It's like it feels like they genuinely have at least a fascination with trucking fascination with logistics and. i don't know that that comes across in the design. Yeah listen. I agree and i think that like what you what you're both saying is corrected this is not like a hardcore simulator. This is not flight. Sim this is people who for some reason have a fascination with the realities of trucking and wanted to make like an actual video game out of it. You know what i mean like. It is a game with upgradable elements and you can win this game and do very good at it. Like i put like eighty hours into this game at this blount. I'm like i do feel. And i i play that much anymore but but i put eighty hours into this game and you kind of just like it's very easy to fall into. I guess i would say that. I've never like found myself feeling like totally bored. I feel like the game. Chore loop is satisfying enough that it works well on that note we should get to our final thoughts on american truck simulator. It's time for our review crew grew so each say one positive about this game and to give it a numerical decimal rating. I would say like i one hundred percent. See the appeal of this game. This is maybe not for me in terms of just like what i'd sink a bunch of hours into but playing a little bit. I'm like oh yeah at one hundred percent. Get why people would like this. I would just say. My positive is is how oddly satisfying the way station is just like a thing. I've always been fascinated with just from dry spending countless hours on highways. What's a way station all about and just to be like. Oh now i have to get weighed. Okay let me merge over and get on the off ramp and go to the way station waiting this queue okay. It's now my turn. I move up there and idle and get my weight. Oh i'm my tonnages. Seventy three thousand pounds shore and then get back on the highway. It's like it's just a very satisfying little like you're checking off something on a side quest. It's just it was like i think it. Just kinda gets all the gamification elements really well in just and it's a very straightforward presentation. We're going to do an episode about that on on a podcast. I've been working on called. How did this get weighed the episode. There i'll give this a ten four. Good buddy wow heather. What do you what you say. Yeah so again. It's not for me but also wasn't unenjoyable as some of the games that we played that weren't for me for me and also i don't like playing them but with this i was like oh this is nice and then i hit a car and i was like. Oh god oh okay. Oh no and it was still nice. You know like. I didn't get the experience of going to a way station like nick did because i the first one that i blew past not understanding that i had to do something from that point forward. I was like well. I'm never gonna fuck and fuck you like say what i way so. My favorite thing though is looking around inside the cab of because you have like a first person perspective in default view and like looking behind you in just looking behind you in the truck at what was in. The truck is not an expert. I've never seen inside of of a mack truck and it's always like. oh wow. so that's that's what this is and i really got a feeling for. Why trump was so excited when he was sitting inside of that. You can all judge until you sit at the wheel. Big rick so i'm gonna give this second nice eight point. Five is a good little game job. You did it very good. Score matt up daca something. Positive your review. I so when you're starting the game and you're like putting in all your information like where you live in like your name and you're picking your truck and stuff you also get to pick like an avatar and it's a question mark and so like okay. Well it's going to probably be some like in game rendered like avatar but it's just pictures of real people. It's the funniest choice i think. Sixty photos of truckers regular normal people. And it's like. I was expecting a drying. May not even drawing. You know you get to make your own approximation of what you look like. But i just sort of like i guess picked what i thought would be the funniest trucker so i just picked like a trucker person and i really really enjoyed that and it was like these who worked on the game or the actual truckers what. What's the story here. But i really appreciated that choice. Yeah i played. I played this steam. I played it with my. Ps four controller. And i was also very surprised at how well it controlled i. I had a time just with the first person of it all because like it was making me a little nauseous. But i did enjoy when i wasn't feeling like i was going to actually have to pull over but i i'll give it a. I'll give it a seven because it was a pretty enjoyable experience overall well yet. There's maybe not like an ideal third person camera. i guess yes there some there. There are some options. But there's maybe not one. I think just because you've got the long tail of whatever you're towing. Yeah it's hard to get a good follow him all right jack. Something positive about this game your view and your score. Look yeah. i'm a fan of the game I think that this is a very good one to kind of just like relax and go for a drive around the countryside. I think this is a great candidate for for example drinking and driving. You know what i mean like you should never ever do against in real life but like if you would like to you know. Have yourself a nice sunday. Put back a couple of drinks and make some deliveries like virtual drinking and driving can absolutely rock. And it's safe for everybody so this is the so those oats and for me. I would have to give it. You know the the game the game pro guy who's got his hair kind of like still brushed but it's getting a little spiky and he's got his eyebrows up and smiling which i believe is the four point. Oh one so. I'm not giving out to the fully spiky guy or whatever i think i have to go the four point sort of just normal looking man but not the one who's still got bangs on a ten point scale. I think i'll go with will up that to the eight point. Sure works for you. Yeah great well there you go well those those who are thoughts there but maybe we're wrong. Maybe we were wrong. We've got reviews that we've called from the internet and if we've taken a positive experience with this game we've got a negative review and if we had a negative experience we've got a positive review. It's maybe we were wrong and let me tell you. I've got a review from or that. That was as smooth. As i think i've ever done now close as i've come to actually getting that part right thousand i'm disoriented. It's maybe we were. Hey i've got a review here from the steam store a negative review twenty six hours on record all caps not the game. I thought which the name of the game is american trucks. Yeah what how could that be the thing that you're disappointed by like i can't even. I have no idea what this person was expecting. But this is exactly the thing that is the thing like you can't what i don't know. Maybe maybe they were thinking of the way. You can the wheels to skateboards or something like that. I have no idea on a similar note of got one from sows of from the steam store not recommended despite nineteen point three hours on record. Don't know why i got this. I don't even like trucks. That's a you album dude. What's called like there are bad ways to do criticism. You know what i mean. Yeah and like roger ebert said you have to kind of enjoy movies on the terms that the movies are setting for you. It's unacceptable to review a truck game and just be like i don't like trucks. It's not cool. What am my negative reviews years too long to read. It is substantial negative review on the steam store from a person named finch. Ninety seven hours on record come on so this person is played. A lot of it and the opening paragraph of the game is at the time of this review. I've spent nearly one hundred hours in this game. I even intend to pursue this career after college. Yes i understand that one hundred hours in a game does not translate to real life. But the point that i'm making is that i'm interested in this subject. Then the review goes for a very very long time and it the the objections to the game are basically that video game. Things happened in the game. Like it's like it's like. Where are the cars coming from. He's a snippet. The jeep enters the intersection intersection ahead of me. At this point. I've started accelerating in my sixty thousand pound truck on a slight downgrade. The jeep then decides to slam the brakes for no reason lights still green nothing else in sight and come to a complete stop like objecting to ai. Glit- and i it's so long you look it up guys. I also i would also say you know this guy's trying to be a trucker out there on the real on the road. Not every driver you run into is going to be a fully rational actor you know there are cars. That are stopped at the green light. And you know if you're really trying to get out there and be a real life trucker. You better get used to that kind of stuff. you know. Ram people okay. Yeah there was a guy. I was trying to get off the freeway and there was a another truck knows a two. It was a bus. It was like a tour bus that was turning laughed and it was like one lane and i had to turn right and he was just like it was just stop there and i was like oh this guy just froze up or whatever. I don't know what was going on. So his honking at him no response. And so i just tried to go around him and it was a disaster. Like i just like i. Just like side swiped him and also just like fell off the road it was like oh well i guess i in this situation that was not. That's not what a trucker would do got away. You'd have to wait this fucking bus out. that's why there's a sleeper cab. If things get really bad you know steph. In the back. I ever review. This is this is. This is a positive one is. I'd say like an extremely positive emphatic review. And there are a number of these from retirees including retired truckers. Who just absolutely love. This game. And i was like. Oh i like that this this existence demographic this one i'll read. This is short recommended. One thousand nine hundred eighty five point two hours on record why i am seventy seven years old and they spend all my days playing this game more. I play more. it's interesting. I play on three screens with logitech. Steering paddles choose auto transmission. And i can say it's really nice. I think i might have left that in the future. That's going to be like. I played this game for one. Fifteen hundred hours and i love it. I don't have a family. I don't talk to anyone games ruin. Hey it's time for the question block all right. This one's from josh lloyd on twitter and they write you can only experience something for the first time once if you could internal sunshine delete your memories of a game and played for the first time again. What game would you choose. And why great question. It's know it's a rare game that i haven't found also satisfying in its own way on the replay. If that makes sense like it's kind of like you know. I don't know if i really liked to gain the first go round and then playing it again. I'm like oh. I'm i'm seeing new things and a like that. I've experienced this twice. But i will say just from a sense of wonder and from a sense of. Oh wow this is what a game can be. This is really expanding my mind. I go to the super nintendo era. Because that's when i had so many. My formative gaming experiences and i think i would say chronic trigger. I think that game is just like oh this is such a this is that wow this is what storytelling could be in a video game. This is really really inexperienced. A to play for the first time even though it holds up on multiple play throughs as like fucking nineteen endings. It's staggering. I'm going to say so. I struggle with whether or not this is my favorite final fantasy of all time but final fantasy. Twelve was a really potent awesome experience. The game is so detailed. the environments are so rich and deep and cool. And i've perched it's the old is also one of the few games that i continue to doubled like i haven't on switch i it for switch thinking someday i'm gonna replay final fantasy twelve. I love the music. I love like i like that. You aren't you're kind of not playing the protagonist. It's really interesting. And every time. I sit down to like started again. I'm like like i can't rhino this already like it so i. It's also the most hours that i've put into a final fantasy game. That wasn't final fantasy online. So i think if i could play twelve again not knowing it. I would really really be grateful for that. Wow jack anything any game. You'd like to experience again for the first time. We'll so that's an interesting question you know because the question was like if you could attornal sunshine it and remove it from your mind or whatever. If we're talking about an experience that i would like to relive and feel that sense of wonder again. I would actually say like mario sixty four. Like that's like a time. I remember from like like trying it at my cousin's house when i was a little kid and being like holy fucking shit like this. Everything has changed. Like i was like look like at the end of two thousand one. You know what. I mean like see like the universe come at me. I'm like holy fuck. It's mario in three d. But with that said i'm like i guess if i had turtle sunshine myself i would have played all the games that like also are a lot like mario sixty four. So i don't know if i'd be able to get that feeling again but if we're talking about like just experiencing like one experience again or reliving something i feel like it would be that that mario sixty four for me. yeah this is when you really get into the logic of eternal sunshine. If i'm playing mario sixty four again. I'm like hey. This is a rip off of ratchet and clank would have memories of odyssey and why worse good this controller is. Weird is fun. Tell us your answers on twitter and instagram played. Bader citizen email kept played dot com or. Leave us a voicemail at six one six to play. That is six one. Six two seven five two nine three three music engineering or by our mvp bryant your volume on twitter at baffled gab gaps and our guest has been jack alison jack. Thank you so much for for being with us today. Thank you so much time for the show. I hope you can join us for a future. Addition of day oko gender and share your passion for the man and his works. Tell us about your show. Tell us about your podcast anything else. You'd like to plug. Yeah so i do. The podcast struggle session which is just kind of a. You know leftist look at pop culture. You know light on you know like the politics more just like looking at a pop culture and deep dives into like comic books and movies and stuff like that right now. We're doing the allen more. Podcasts which is were just doing a bunch of deep dives into alan moore works. We just read miracle man and we're actually going all the way and going to be doing a series on the jerusalem novel that he wrote the like thousand page novel jerusalem which is really excellent. Check that out. That's at sash dot. Plus and then. Yeah i do also jack. Am which is a daily morning show. Which is you know. It really is a morning show. We just fucking bullshit about the news. And i complain about what's going on on the news and i hosted with my spouse cade and who by the way one express and i'm not trying to come with beef or anything like this but my spouse cade is doing slutty crazy taxi summer and was very dismiss. Dismiss this made to see that somebody else got crazy taxi. Promised i promised i would mention it. It's not my beef bs my spouse. Kate is now wearing exclusively white and black checkered. Taxi outfit stuff and it's calling slutty crazy taxi summer but you have to check out that show. We have a really good time and yeah seven a. m. pacific eastern monday through friday at twitch dot tv slash. Jack am cool. Well there you go thank you thanks jack. Thanks for having me. And kate will have you on the future more sure and tell us so louise gave next week's game contra rogue core goodbye everyone goodbye bucket edge.

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These Are the Good Times, Part 2

Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia

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These Are the Good Times, Part 2

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That's perfect for every one you care about and the message. You put in a hallmark. Valentine's day card is something they can go back to again and again. It's a physical representation of how much you care on valentine's day. Love is for all so visit hallmark dot com slash parade to shop a wide variety of cards. And show everyone in your heart. A little love. That's hallmark dot com slash parade. Welcome back to hit parade. A podcast of pop chart history from slate magazine about the hits from coast to coast. I'm chris milan. Chart analyst pop critic and writer of slates wise is the song number one series on our last episode we talked about the formation of sheikh the swab disco era band conceived by guitarist nile rodgers and bassist bernard edwards as a collective of top notch players offering sophisticated jazzy and instrumentally complex dance. Music brings many of their songs. Even implored you to dance right in the lyrics by nineteen seventy-nine chic were not only about to score one. Last major hit they were going to set a musical template for the eighty s helping to spawn both a new genre hip hop am the sound of pops. Next wave sheiks all time. Most immortal hit the song that would inspire countless other artists and songs was itself inspired by an earlier hit in a story that may be apocryphal. Nile rodgers claims. He was trying to come up with a variation on his favourite cool and the gang saw hollywood. Swinging is a highlight of the gangs early years as a hard funk it reached number one or number six pop in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy four and nile rodgers loved it's relentless group. The guitar line that he came up with while noodling in the studio was inspired by. But not a copy of hollywood swinging as you can hear in this youtube recreation. It has the same strut the same chicken scratch chug but its own unforgettable melody now. Here's the amazing thing as catchy as niles guitar line is it's not even the most iconic part of the song that would be the percolating walking baseline the bernard edwards laid down in the studio nile. Rodgers claims that edwards came up with it on the spot that baseline the thump thump thump followed by an irresistible strolling. Melody made the song. Indelible and rodgers and edwards paired this sturdy melodic backdrop with joyous lyrics that were wistful and knowingly ironic quote. The country was undergoing the worst economic downturn in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine that it seen since like the great depression said in a two thousand two interview so when we wrote good times what did we do. We went back to the great depression. Straight up al jolson jolson sang. The stars are going to twinkle and shine this evening about a quarter to nine so our lyrics are happy days are here again unquote with stoler synchronized locals from sheiks to woman. One man team of alpha anderson lucy martin and pharmacy thornton. Good times was the ultimate expression of sheikhs jazzy. Future nostalgia vibe. It fused al jolson with george clinton cole. Porter with cool in the game. The roaring twenty s with the disco seventies and by august nineteen seventy nine. good times. The lead single from sheiks acclaimed third album. Risque had topped the hot one hundred with the most popular song in america this week as determined by billboard magazine here's sheik and good time of course if that bernard edwards baseline sounds familiar to you. It's because you've probably heard it before and not just on that sheikh song the good times baseline ruled everywhere most famously or infamously depending on your point of view on this historic single. Don't stop talking how we talked about. The seminal rapper's delight by the sugarhill gang three years ago in our def jam's addition of hit parade one of the first recorded rap singles and the first period to crack the billboard. Hot one hundred where it peaked. At number thirty six rapper's delight is notorious for borrowing or biting or let's just say it stealing the baseline from good times to be fair. It's not a sample at the direction of sugar hill. Records mogul ceo robinson who a sturdy backdrop for the rhymes of. Mc's wonder mike right. Big bank hank jackson and master. Gee o'brien the good times. Base hook was replayed by a studio bassist. It's either bernard roland or chip. Sheeran sources differ on who it actually was but even re recorded it's the same baseline. The sugarhill team meant to recreate good times. That was the point you know. Alleged must have been by the way the what should they said. I told by the name though is not argue that the ends justify the means but if as they say great artists steal than great art steals from the best rapper's delight established rap as a reported media coined the very term hip hop. And you might say made the good times hook even more immortal than it already was. Of course it was still musical larceny within months good times. Co writers bernard edwards and nile rodgers. We're given writing credits and eventually royalties on. The saw rodgers still to this day will throw in rhymes from rapper's delight into his live performances of good times it's hard to really blame. Sylvia robinson's team for biting that baseline. They weren't the only one stealing it barely six months. After rapper's delight peaked on the charts. Fans heard this from a british rock group. Not a rap crew pumping from their radio. Looks down the queen's another one bites. The dust topped the hot one. Hundred in the fall of nineteen eighty. You can think of this not as a sugarhill style recreation but iraq interpolations written by queens. Bassist john deacon dust borrows most of the good times baseline transposes notre to and creates a new song from it. But the lineages still hard to miss and this similarity was no accident in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine while recording their respective albums risque and the game. Chic met john deacon and the members of queen in a later interview with british pop magazine. New musical express sheiks bernard edwards stated with no small amount of shade quote. That queen record came about because that queen bass players spent some time hanging out with us in our studio unquote. Honestly the sheet duo could have spent a lot of time in court that baseline reappeared in somewhat less obvious contexts on other hits such as blonde eighty-one number one rapture another hip hop landmark or on grandmaster flashes turntable workout the adventures of grandmaster flash on the wheels of steel doc or a decade later on this rap hit by father mc fifteen and deeper into the nineties on this will smith hit song however you hear it whether from sheikh themselves or some other artists biting it good times will probably never disappear and hey thank heaven for that blue back in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. However the notoriety of good times had nothing to do with its baseline. It was seen as the last stand in a now infamous insurrectionist cultural go thaw go. They're not gonna show child. We've talked about the disco sucks movement on hit parade multiple times the careers of donna. Summer the bg's and countless other disco acts for chic in particular. It was awkwardly timed. Good times was rising on the charts just as chicago. Dj steve doll was organizing his infamous disco demolition night in comiskey park in july of nineteen seventy nine and in august of seventy nine one week after it went to number one good times was ushered out of the top spot by a song that rock fans were quite openly rooting for according to nile rodgers. This was not a coincidence. A polka my sharoni by new wave rockers. The knack not only ejected chic from number one. It spent six weeks. They're winding up as the top song of one thousand nine hundred seventy nine and upset victory in that disco dominant year whether through bad luck or this cultural sea-change chic never returned. Not only to number one but to the entire billboard top forty their next single the sterling my forbidden lover with the same triple team vocals by alpha lucy and fonzie stalled at number forty a lowly peak for the follow up to a number one hit happy days. Were not here again sheiks. Two year imperial phase was over however the careers of nile rodgers and bernard edwards. Most certainly were not over. They were bitter at the disco sucks campaign to this day. Nihil blames it for the change in their chart fortunes but even as their star faded as artists. Their next decade would only burnish their legend. And it all started with a new client. Who was a legend. For self a former supreme diana ross one of the highest profile stars of the seventy s but for such luminary. She had a surprisingly hit or miss chart. Career songs by diana ross would either hit number. One like ain't no mountain high enough or love hangover or they would miss the top ten the top twenty even the top forty entirely by nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine diana ross. Hadn't had a major hit in about three years but motown was looking to cement her comeback. They had just gotten her song the boss into the top twenty and they thought maybe with the help of the hottest duo in dance music. Diana could do even better enter nile. And bernard diana ross was easily the highest profile. Client the chic organization had ever taken on and rodgers and edwards were anxious to get it right the recording sessions for the album that would be dubbed simply diana reportedly went well friendly convivial but by nineteen eighty when ross heard nile. Nord's mixes for the album. That's when things got shoot and the petri you always think you what you're hearing. Is the original mix of upside down a future smash from the diana album but ross did not care for the cavernous busy arrangement and in true diva fashion. She wanted her vocals. Both better recorded and more prominent in the mix so over edwards and rodgers objections ross. Went back into the studio. With motown engineer russ toronto. And she both re recorded her vocals and restructuring the entire mix the new version of upside-down sounded like this. Especially would no. Here's the thing. Thana is a legend. For a reason she was basically right per retaken vocals were better and the remix sounded better more direct less cluttered perfect for the radio that said rodgers and edwards had written some killer songs arguably the best of her solo career upside down my old piano and my personal favorite a not so secret. Demolished to diana's gay fans that nile rodgers called. I'm coming out. But even that brilliant fanfare of a song needed a retail got diana needed to inhabit the sheikh songs. And make them her own yet again. The second week of i'm coming out with new vocals and a punchier next was much improved rodgers and edwards. Either out of respect for peak probably both briefly considered taking their names off the album in favor of ross toronto as the producer of record but they thought better of it when they realized their client. Diana ross was happening soon however bumpy. The journey the diana album was the best of all possible worlds. It combined brilliant. Songwriting playing and singing by the chic organization bernard edwards rogers and tony thompson plus backing vocals from alfa anderson. Lucy martin and fonzie thornton with sharp ears and pop instincts of the motown hit factory. The diana album reached number two on the billboard album chart its lead single upside down returned. Ross to number one on the hot one hundred and the follow up. I'm coming out. Reach number five a remarkable peak for a thinly veiled lovingly delivered. Lgbtq anthem in the year nineteen so for at least one post disco project team. Chic had kept the machine rolling. Like barry gibb and his brothers on barbra streisand's blockbuster nineteen eighty album. Guilty bernard edwards and nile. Rodgers had spent the first year after the disco sucks movement succeeding via a smash lp fronted by a classic diva. They were grateful to have something to tote up in the win column whereas the fourth studio album by sheikh called real people underperformed on the charts barely scraping the top thirty. Its lead single. The lucy martin showcase rebels are we tapped out at a lowly number sixty one on the hot one hundred although it did make the the aren be top ten for all its success. The diane how them only briefly postponed the sheikh production teams time in the wilderness. They entered a long fallow period where they tried a little of everything and none of it stuck. I don't they edwards and rodgers offered their services in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty one to crooner legend johnny mathis but after recording an entire album. The jazz inflected. I love my lady. The lp was shelved by columbia records in favor of a mathis. Greatest hits album tracks from the. I love my lady. Project would not surface until the twenty tents. And then there was this misfire the first solo album by blondie singer. Debbie harry called kuku should in theory have been a smash. It was the follow up to a chart topping string of blondie hits produced co written by the sheikh duo whose music had inspired their hit. Rapture harry's album was a cutting edge fusion funk rock and dance music maybe to cutting edge songs like backfire written by rodgers and edwards. Didn't connect on pop or rock radio and cuckoo's freaky album. Cover an image by sci fi and horror artist. H are eager depicting debbie. Harry's face with swords piercing. Her cheeks couldn't have helped kuku peaked. At number twenty five on the album generated no top forty hits and was off the chart in just three months. Say this for rodgers and edwards. They would try anything the producers of the one thousand nine hundred eighty two film soup for one. A sex comedy set in new york invited. The sheikh duo to record the entire soundtrack and once again the material was all corrupt early. Eighties dance pop. The title track to soup for lung performed by sheik was even an rn. Be hit peaking at number fourteen. On the soldier the soundtrack also gave rodgers and edwards. A chance to work with singer songwriter. Carly simon they wrote and produced simon's most left field avant garde single ever the tropical funk track why but when the raunchy poorly reviewed movie flopped at the box office so did sheiks for one soundtrack. It peaked at number one hundred and sixty eight on the album chart even when the chic organization did score hit. It didn't make much of an impact on the american charts. French singer sheila of the disco group. Sheila and b devotion took the rodgers edwards track spacer into the top ten across europe but barely scraped the us club chart perhaps europe and the uk would in fact be the key to sheiks comeback. Because through no involvement by nile. Rodgers bernard edwards. A new wave of pop in britain especially sounded a whole lot like durand around co-founders. Nick rhodes and john taylor conceived of their post punk meets new romantic band as a hybrid of quote the sex pistols and sheikh. John taylor's frenetic baselines in particular strongly echoed work of bernard edwards and andy. Taylor's lead guitar. Lines adapted nile rodgers per cussing. Discos style thanks. To the nineteen eighty launch of mtv in america new wave bands like duran duran and the equally chic endebted. Abc suddenly began. Cropping up on the american charts in short the sound of sheikh. If not chic themselves was becoming cool again without them. Do anything at all. And what were they doing. Nile rodgers at least was attempting a solo album a bleeding edge funk and world beat lp called adventures in the land of the good. It won a smattering of good notices. But it wasn't going to return. Rogers to the charts in his autobiography. Rogers said he felt like a failure circa nineteen eighty-three. He's seventy successes meant. He didn't need to work but everything he's done since. The diana album had been varieties of flop. Sheiks recent string of low charting. Lp's and the johnny mathis debbie harry and soup for one projects to numb himself nile was indulging heavily in cocaine and alcohol. He needed a rescue booth. Spiritually and professionally. Perhaps then it makes sense that the person who rescued nile would be an other worldly being a star man if you will you decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer a set of patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. 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Nothing excited me more than when she took me. And my sister to our local hallmark card shop. And i would spend every minute reading every card for the next holiday coming up christmas easter halloween and of course valentine's day one year. I saved up my allowance. And i bought hallmark valentine's for all of my aunts uncles and cousins. Everyone was touched to receive them. And i felt great. Sending them i still do. Hallmark has so many different valentine's day carts from fancy foil accents for the love of your life to pop up. Papercraft for kids to side-splitting lee. Funny jokes for your bff. You can find a car. That's perfect for everyone. You care about with a wide variety to choose from hallmark. Valentine's day cards are a great way to figure out how to say what you mean to every person you love whether it's funny or fancy you'll find something that nudges your personal message in the right direction. The message you put in a hallmark. Valentine's day card is something they can go back to again and again. It's a physical representation of how much you care on valentine's day. Love is for all so visit hallmark dot com slash parade to shop a wide variety of cards to show everyone in your heart. A little love. That's hallmark dot com slash parade david boat and nile rodgers. Met at a new york club in one thousand nine hundred eighty two and quickly took a shine to each other. Bowie recognized rogers as seeker and a restless spirit with immense talent he invited nile to write and record with him in montrose. Switzerland and as usual for the chameleon bowie. He was looking for a shakeup in his sound. He was out of contract at his label. Rca records and free to do what he wanted. Oddly enough for bowie. Freedom didn't mean another avant garde project like his trilogy of late. Seventies berlin albums david told nile in switzerland. He wanted hits. He wanted to write and record biggest hits of his career. I'll let nile rodgers himself. Tell the story from this. Twenty sixteen interview live at a google event so when when we were doing the album. Let's dance. he says. Darling i just wrote this last night. I think this could be hit. Go something like this to me this sounded like a folk song not a bad one but i just seen like and he was singing. Let's dance the so. I thought he was trying to see if i was just so sick of fantas wacky due to one of the paycheck or something so i said to him. Hey david can. I do an arrangement anyway. Sure i was like also so I wrote out some charts. And i changed my guitar part from just up a half step to say going. This is cool and i iron inverted the whole thing up an active i went and he was like wow. That's by song i went. Yeah and i'll check this out. It was very much like. Let's dance that you know and I remember asking him david. Do you think. I made this too funky. And he said the coolest thing i have ever heard in my life. He looked at me. And what neither dotting is there. Such a thing. I was like you are ver van. In short nile. Help david shape his song into a hit. And david gave nile back. His confidence and the finished song and title track from bowie's forthcoming album did did more bread. Suzanne in the summer of nineteen eighty-three. Let's dance became david bowie's first hot one hundred number one hit in nearly years since his one thousand. Nine hundred seventy five chart topper. It kicked off the biggest popstar moment of bowie's career. It even helped launch the career of a killer guitarist who took the songs. Searing solo. A young stevie ray vaughan. Let's dance album. Tested nile rodgers skills as a producer and arranger bowie would bring him songs from the album including an oddball track from a nineteen seventy seven. Lp bowie wrote with and four. His friend iggy pop called china. Girl nile rodgers reimagined the song from top to bottom layering in and interpretation of the stereotypical oriental riff and turning china. Girl from proto punk into pop. It too was hit. Peaking at number ten grand know david bowie album had ever generated three hits in america. Let's dance broke that streak when modern love produced by nile rodgers as debonair jet-setting dance rock reached number. Fourteen on the hot one. Let's dance. lp peaked at number four on the album chart bowie's highest charting album since one thousand nine hundred seventy sixes station to station and it was his first to go platinum in america. It was not only the most commercial. Most danceable music bowie had ever released. It also represented a new permutation of nile rodgers. Moving him finally out. From behind his chic success and making him the leading producer of a novel brand of danceable new wave rock music at a moment when that sound was sweeping mtv and top forty radio suddenly by late nineteen eighty three and eighty four nile. Rodgers became pops most in demand producer. He took full advantage of this new profile to produce an array of acts from the us the uk. Even australia alsi banned in excess. Were preparing their album. The swing in the fall of eighty three when they invited nile rodgers to produce attractive up original sin was a cutting edge dance rocks and featuring niles signature. Ruthie guitars rogers encouraged the band to make the lyrics about an interracial couple with the refrain dream on white boy dream on lacombe inspired by niles own raising in a multi-racial family. Though the song was only a minor pop hit it was a big club. Hit and it set up in excess for their american breakthrough in the second half of the eighties as a finishing. Touch nile invited american singer daryl hall to harmonize with in excess singer. Michael hutchence on the song's chorus line. Why was nile. Rodgers friendly with daryl hall around the same time nile was producing a remix of daryl hall and john early nineteen eighty-four single adult education rogers pumped up the hall notes track adding handclapping rhythms and tribal chance to make it more infectious win. The inaccessible hit the clubs. It caught the attention of the premier band of mtv fueled eighties dance. Rock the group that had wanted to sound like chic in the first place. Duran duran the fab five as duran. Duran dubbed. were busy promoting their smash late one thousand nine hundred eighty three studio album seven and the ragged tiger it led off with the very chic esque number three hit union of the snake by the time they got wind of rogers work with david bowie and inaccessible durant around. Were already promoting the album's second single. The number ten hit new moon on monday and the needed a follow up one of the catchy est songs on seven and the ragged tiger. The album's lead off track. The reflex had potential. But it sounded like an album cut. It had a good melodic riff. But it wrote it into the ground. And it wasn't dynamic enough to meek it on the radio so durant around higher nile rodgers not to produce but as with the hall and oates single to rethink the reflex backpacks niles remix kept the best elements of the track. But he rebuilt the reflex to sound like. It could be playing in a packed nightclub or as in. The song's music video. A packed arena. Duran duran's labor feared that rogers had made the song sound quote to black and at first the balked at releasing the band overrule the label. And they were right to trust nile. Rodgers the reflex powered by its remix became duran duran's first ever. Us number one hit reaching the top of the hot one hundred in june nineteen eighty-four then almost immediately. The band gave rogers another assignment producing a brand new track. Which would be a bonus studio caught on their forthcoming. Live album arena. It would have the tribal drums of niles. Remix for hall notes plus chiming sounds descended from his work in sheep. They called it the wild boys. While all this durand durand activity is going on rogers met and began working with another rising pop star. Whom like david bowie. He'd i met at a new york nightclub but unlike bowie at that time she was largely unknown. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer a set of patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping or up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Rogers was impressed with the young woman's drive. But it i even. He figured she'd only be a hit in dance. Clubs was easy to underestimate madonna. In nineteen eighty three her self titled debut album was eight tracks of free style and electro dance music like the number sixteen hit holiday and many critics. Dissed madonna's thin often high pitched voice but the songs were packed with hooks sire records. Her label expected great things from madonna. That she would be much more than a club act. They had even defied a song that might work for her. But it was rather quirky the songwriting duo of billy steinberg and tom. Kelly wrote hits for a variety of clients but even they weren't quite sure what to do with like a virgin this demo features. Tom kelly singing in falsetto. A warner thought that. Madonna like it and she did. She proposed that it should be the title track from her next album. And that nile rodgers whom she'd met the prior year after alive club appearance should produce it so sire approached nile to produce madonna's forthcoming second more confident after his david bowie triumph. Rogers negotiated a lopsided deal. That gave him a bigger share of the lp than a producer normally earns he later said the like a virgin album was the most lucrative lp. He ever worked on. Sire agreed to his terms and in early. One thousand nine hundred eighty four nile began work with madonna. Her instincts about him proved right. He knew what to do with that. Quirky song. nile brought in both of his instrumental peers from chic. Bassist bernard edwards and drummer tony thompson. To play on the like a virgin album he had convinced. Madonna that even though she was primarily thought of as a dance artist. One likelier to sing over. Cynth- melodies and programmed beats live instruments would bring the songs to life. He also coached her on how to sing both like a virgin and material girl. Two songs that were in a key outside of her natural rain between niles technical skill and madonna's legendary work ethic. They finally nailed vocal by the way a quick aside not only was rogers instrumental. In madonna's he was dead on about bringing in his old bandmates especially drummer. Tony thompson the drums on like a virgin are i would argue. The album's most underrated element seriously. Even if you've heard material girl a joint times listen to it again. The fresh ears. Tony thompsons backbeat and drum fills are monstrous like a virgin album was largely complete by the start of summer. Nineteen hundred eighty four but there was a problem. A good problem to have the madonna album. Her debut was still generating hits. Borderline took several months to climb the charts and by early summer eighty four. It was a top ten hit. Madonna's i sire. Records approached nile rodgers. Telling him the first album was doing better than expected and asking him what they should do. Rogers advise them to hold the new album that he just produced and keep promoting singles from the first one. The gambit worked lucky star reached number four on the hot one hundred by the early fall of eighty four setting up the second album. Perfect of course. By the time. Lucky star pete. Madonna herself had provided the best possible album preview with this televised madonna's fabled performance on. Mtv's i ever video music. Awards in one thousand nine hundred eighty four insured that like a virgin and be a smash both the nile rodgers produced album and the senate by december one thousand nine hundred eighty four. The song had topped the hot one hundred. Madonna's first ever number one by february one thousand nine hundred five. The album was also number. Both of these chart toppers cemented. Nile rodgers status remarkably. The like a virgin album was the first number one p. of his career. No chic album had gone that high nor had the diana or let's dance. Lp's and the single was his hot one hundred number one as a producer following his two sheikh chart toppers diana ross's upside down and david bowie's let's dance. If you count his remix work on duran. Duran's the reflex. It was his sixth and crucially from upside down to like virgin nile. Rodgers had scored the bulk of his number ones after the disco sucks movement had killed sheiks commercial prospects. Which by the way was ongoing chic. Were still in a slump. As late as one thousand nine hundred eighty three rodgers and bernard edwards were still issuing albums and singles. But none of them did well on the charts even as they tried to modernize the chic sound tracks. Like give me the lovin. Would miss the hot one hundred entirely. And peter out in the lower half of the aren beach on this strained relationship between nile rodgers and bernard at worst nile brought in his friend to play bass on both the david bowie and madonna albums but their interactions were more chilly. And business. Like nile shifted his attention fully toward his behind the boards career producing and playing for a slew of different acts as varied as mick jagger on his first solo album. Nine thousand nine hundred and five's she's the boss. Peter gabriel with a song. That was on. No kidding the gremlins soundtrack and the thompson twins. Who's next time was foundering after its lead single. Lay your hands on me. Missed the us charts in late. Nineteen eighty-four aristotle. Executive clive davis hired nile rodgers. To save the thompson twins project and in one thousand nine hundred five nile remixed the hit and turn the thompson twins. Here's to future days album into a success. Even one of niles old clients was benefiting from his newfound clout sister sledge mounted a comeback in england in one thousand nine hundred eighty four when a reissue of their single thinking of you originally from their nineteen. Seventy-nine we our family album reached number eleven on the uk chart striking while the iron was hot sister. Sledge went back into the studio with nile rodgers in one thousand nine hundred eighty five and produced a new album which spawned sister sledge's first and only uk number one hit franken golan's again. The comeback of sister sledge was a throwback to the peak chic era when rodgers and bernard edwards were still a joint chart colossus. But by. Nineteen eighty-five bernard edwards was finally making his own mark as a solo producer. And he did it. Just as one nile rodgers client was splintering apart. Some sort of the power station was a duran. Duran spinoff group. It comprised. The band's guitarist andy taylor. it's bassist. John taylor journeyman singer robert palmer and chic drummer tony thompson. The to taylor's formed the group in a bid to produce more rock leaning trucks than durant durant named for a famed new york city recording studio the power station tapped bernard edwards to produce their self titled nineteen hundred five debut album which eventually went platinum and spawned the instant number six. Some like it hot edwards did so well producing the power station side project that soon he was tapped to work. On the main event duran duran who had been tapped by the producers of the james bond movie franchise to record the title. Track from nine thousand. Nine hundred. and five's roger moore film of you to kill bernard edwards co produced the theme with longtime james bond score composer john barry when a view to a kill. The song topped the hot one hundred in july nineteen five it not only became duran. Duran's second ever. Us number one hit. It also gave each chic founder credit on a durant around chart-topper the edwards produced bond theme. Hit the top just over a year. After nile rodgers remix of the reflex at one point in the summer of eighty five hits by both duran duran and the power station. Were going head to head on the charts and both of them were produced by bernard edwards of you to kill and the power stations. Cover of t rex's classic. Get it on. Bang a gone which reached number nine then when power station singer robert palmer decided to skip touring if the project and focus instead on his next solo. He tapped bernard edwards to produce that album. Riptide went double platinum the biggest seller of robert palmer's career and in the spring of nineteen eighty six it generated palmer's only hot one hundred number one hit the edwards produced addicted team for the second half of the nine thousand nine hundred eighty s. Even if they weren't competing directly with each other bernard edwards was evening. The score with his former partner nile rodgers. Both of them were char- titans each producing a string of hits for a wide range of artists. Early in nineteen eighty six edwards produced a song on the gold soundtrack to the movie. Pretty in pink for british new wave rocker bluey some edwards also produced a top five hit in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven for the. Dance pop duo. Abc with their soul revival smash. When smokey sings he produced a track for jody watt lee's solo debut album. the top. ten hit. Don't you walk me and edwards produced the leadoff hit from out of order. Veteran rod stewart's nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight chart comeback album. The rocker lost in you. Meanwhile nile rodgers reconvened in nineteen eighty-six with duran duran producing their platinum comeback album. Notorious its title track was a number two v and though nile didn't produce it. He played rhythm guitar and appeared in the video. For steve wynn woods. Aren be flavored. Nineteen eighty-six number one smash higher love. Perhaps nile rodgers. Most unexpected success of the late eighties was the nineteen eighty nine b. fifty twos album cosmic thing we talked about this improbable smash in our twenty eighteen. Hit parade episode about the band from athens. Georgia the b fifty. Two's and rem suffice it to say no one involved with cosmic thin expected it to be the multi-platinum blockbuster it became that included. It's to producers who each took on about half of the b. fifty twos was not was bassist and co founder don was produced four of the album's tracks including the funk flavored party track. Love shaq nile rodgers. Produced the album's other six tracks including two of its later hits. Rogers harkened back to his psychedelic. Hippie past with groovy globe trotting room a number. Three hit aimed helmed the b fifty. Two's elegiac follow up single deadbeat club. A number thirty by nineteen ninety niles credibility in guitar world was strong enough that he produced the first and only album by brothers and ace guitarists jimmy and stevie ray. Vaughan remember stevie ray had worked with rogers in nineteen eighty. Three on david. Bowie's let's dance album. The vaughan brothers album family style produced by rodgers turned out to be stevie rae's swan song released in september nineteen ninety just weeks after stevie ray. Vaughan died in a helicopter crash By the turn of the nineties both nile rodgers and bernard edwards had each achieved enough success that they felt ready to reunite shock. They revived the band in nineteen ninety two with an array of different players drummer. Tony thompson was busy working on other projects and unavailable but vocalist fonzie thornton. Did return the ninety. Two chic ism wasn't a big seller. But it did generate to big club hits the self referential chic mystique which modernized their vintage disco sound and your love which blended the chic sound with the deep bass of nineties house news. The mid nineties was a time of rebuilding in general especially for nile rodgers having spent the last decade and a half abusing both alcohol and cocaine and after several near death experiences including a hospital visit where his heart had stopped. Multiple times nile finally got sober in nineteen ninety-four and remains in recovery to this day edwards to had burn the candle at both ends since sheikh success. Although rogers claims he did a better job of hiding his addiction in april nineteen ninety-six nile. Rodgers was invited to tokyo to accept a super producer of the year lifetime achievement award and he was invited to perform at the legendary buddha khan arena nile brought along the members of chic took you including bernard edwards to share the spotlight with him but on the night of the performance edwards was feeling gravely ill despite roger's insistence that they postponed the tokyo gig edwards insisted that the show go on as planned that night at the buddha khan even in his weakened condition edwards played many of his legendary chic baselines to a roaring crowd after the show edwards returned to their hotel telling rogers he just needed to rest. It was the last time they spoke bernard edwards was found dead the following morning the autopsy determined. He had died of pneumonia. Edwards was forty years. Old nile rodgers was devastated at the loss of his longtime friend and sheikh collaborator. It would not be the last time he lost a musical appear in two thousand and three drummer tony thompson succumbed to renal cancer just three days before his forty ninth birthday nile himself endured a twenty ten diagnosis of prostate cancer. But amazingly more than a decade after that diagnosis he remains both alive and sober. And it's a good thing. Rogers lived to see the last quarter century since bernard edwards pasic. It has not been a quiet. Twenty-five years for nile or his chic legacy nile rodgers and bernard edwards scored two more number one hot one hundred hits in the late nineties without doing a thing a pair of hip hop chart toppers to classic chic productions and took them to the top the summer of one thousand nine hundred ninety seven mo money mo problems. The puff daddy produced posthumous hit for the notorious. B i g road a sample of the diana ross smash. I'm coming out to the top of the charts and just six months later in early. Nineteen ninety eight by condemning. Dance the jig coupon. don't mind it will. Smith took a sample of the chic produced a sister sledge smash he's the greatest dancer and transformed it into his number one smash getting digging for his part nile. Rodgers remained active as a player and producer. He collaborated with durant durant again on their two thousand four album astronaut and it's club hit reach up for the sunrise and in twenty twelve nile received featured billing on the adam lambert track shady while these samples and credits for rodgers will rolling out something subtler but more significant was happening in twenty-first-century pop. The chic sound was flowing through a wave of electronic dance. Music and the torch was carried most firmly by french. Edm duo daft pumped after building an ever larger audience through the nineties and offs for their robotic throwback future funk daft punk finally decided to record a full album we turn of the eighties technology and they invited nile rodgers to take part in what would become their biggest album when the lp random access memories arrived in the spring of two thousand. Thirteen nile rodgers syncopated. Guitar lines were audible right from the opening track. Give life back to music daft punk ass intended to do just that and it fulfilled its mission on its monster. Hits sinclair get mucky was written performed and co credited to daft punk featuring ferrall williams and nile rodgers. It shot up the charts reaching number two on the hot one hundred in the summer of twenty thirteen it gave nile rodgers biggest hit in decades and it swept the critics prizes as the song of the year. Thanks thanks again thanks again. The critics weren't the only ones impressed both random access memories and get lucky. Were nominated for top prizes at the twenty fourteen. Grammy awards that night at the staple center daft punk for ferrall nile rodgers and special guests. Stevie wonder performed a medley of get lucky and wonders classic. Another star at one point in the middle of the song. They broke out into a few bars of sheikhs biggest hit you may freak then in an upset. The daft punk album and single swept the knights top two prizes album of the year and record of the year nile rodgers shared. These works even more amazing. These prizes including third grammy for pop group performance were rogers boarding academy prizes. Ever backstage the sixty one year old winner of his first ever grammy's was stahnke. Walk home with all. These grammys is weird. Because in my long career of making records. I probably have had ten twelve records. Wind grammys that the producer did or the writer didn't win the grammy in that category. So this is shocking to me. I'm really blown away. If the recording academy was a bit late honoring nile rodgers. The rock and roll hall of fame was even more delinquent when she first lp turned twenty five years old in two thousand and two. The band became eligible for rock hall. Induction the nominating committee. Put them on the ballot right away. Chic were nominated for the rock halls. Class of two thousand three not too. Surprisingly the voters didn't put them in that year few bands get into the hall on their first try but that was just the start of sheikhs frustration over the next dozen years. Sheikh were nominated for the rock and roll hall of fame ten more times. They're eleven. Nominations remains a record for the most ballot appearances without induction. The term the susan lucci rock hall has been applied to many artists waited years to get inducted especially chic but please note perennial. Daytime emmy nominee. Susan lucci did eventually win her. Emmy chic are still not in the rock hall adding insult to injury practically every year. They were on the ballot other ads. She was associated with were swept in ahead of them. These include blondie who deservedly got in with rock hall's class of two thousand six while sheikh were passed over two thousand seven grandmaster flash made history as the first hip hop act to be inducted while sheikh the ban that flash love to slice up on his turntables went down a third time in two thousand eight madonna on her. Very first ballot got inducted. While her producer nile rodgers did not in two thousand nine guitar. Wizard jeff beck. Got into the hall. did i nile. Rodgers produced him too in two thousand thirteen sheiks disco peer donna summer on her fifth. Try and tragically the year after her. Death was finally deservedly. Inducted a year after that in two thousand fourteen daryl hall and john oates finally took the podium to accept induction. Chic went unfulfilled for the eight time the next year. Two thousand fifteen. Sheikh were blanked a ninth time while nile rodgers. Late friend. stevie. Ray vaughan was belatedly inducted. In all of these years the rock hall nominating committee stubbornly but rightly kept putting chic on the ballot. The voters made up largely a veteran rockers. Who didn't get the memo that disco and dance. Music are part of rock and roll just kept ignoring that box and this makes chic officially the most snubbed act in rock hall. History there eleven. Nominations beat the prior record by solomon burke who got in on his tenth ballot. By the way your hit parade host became a rock hall voter in two thousand sixteen. And i got to vote for sheaf once for all the good that that did in twenty seventeen when sheikh were snubbed. That eleventh time. The rock hall organizers finally waived alight flat they announced that nile rodgers by himself would be inducted into the hall for his production work under the banner of musical excellence. a category. the hall organizers can use by fiat without a full membership vote that night at the induction ceremony at brooklyn's barclays center the surviving co founder of sheikh was genuinely touched. But he couldn't help alluding to the irony. Funny i was saying to ferraro almost everybody on this stage as a matter of fact almost everybody. Who's been in the rock and roll hall of fame. Who's in the rock and roll hall of fame. I've worked with this this award. Which is amazing to me is really because of all the people that have allowed me to come into their lives and just join their band. Be it mick. Jagger madonna bowie being the b fifty. Two's in excess. Bid dot com be ferrall williams being diana ross. Leads i mean just goes on and on and on and i gotta tell you thank you rock and roll hall of fame as for the legacy of sheikh. Well you've probably heard their sound on the radio. Just in the last year a wave of nouveau disco pop dominated the charts in twenty twenty including new hits by dosier cat lady gaga and most especially british dua lipa. Who's number two smash. Don't start is a loving faithful recreation of the peak chic sound. Don't show don't mean. I like to think that the world needed chic in twenty twenty between the pandemic and are divisive politics. It was a rough year even rougher than nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine. The year nile rodgers and bernard edwards kept. America's spirits loved by insisting that these were the good times bernard edwards spent his final night on earth in one thousand nine hundred ninety six playing his most immortal baseline at the buddha kong in tokyo. And however long we still have nile rodgers with us. I know he'll keep scratching out a rhythm on his guitar while his feet keep dancing. I hope you enjoy this episode of hip raid. Our show was written edited and narrated by christmas. Lampy that's me. My producer is austria solution special. Thanks to dance. Music scholar christian. John joaquin for research assistance. June thomas is the senior managing producer. And gabriel roth the editorial director of sleep podcasts. Check out their roster of shows at slate dot com slash podcasts. You can can subscribe to hit parade wherever you get your podcasts. In addition to finding it in the slate culture feet if you're subscribing on apple podcasts. Who's rate and review us. While you're there it helps other listeners. Find the show. Thanks for listening and i look forward to leading the hit parade back your way until then keep on marching on one. I'm chris milan lanfang.

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These Are the Good Times, Part 1

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These Are the Good Times, Part 1

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The bridge are bonus episodes with guest interviews deeper dives on our episode topics and pop chart trivia once again to join. That's sleep dot com slash. Hit parade plus. Thanks and now. Please enjoy part one of this hip parade episode. I welcome to hypocrite podcast. Pop chart history from slate magazine about the hits from coast to coast. I'm chris milan. Lanphier chart analyst pop critic and writer of slates wise. The song number one series on today's show forty two years ago this month in january nineteen seventy-nine there was unrest in iran. Gas prices reaching new highs both unemployment and interest rates spiking and the number one song in america sounded like a hedonistic party would never end i. This appears to be an instructional disco records with lines. Like have you heard about the dance craze. allow us. we'll show you the way and find your spot out on the floor. It invites you to freak out and even name checks story to new york nightclub studio fifty four but this hit lift freak by chic was equal parts party and protest it was a danceable lament against a nightclub. Yup that club that had denied entry to the songs to writers that denied due out were bernard edwards and nile rodgers. They co wrote les freak they co produced it and it was powered by edwards popping baseline and rodgers infectious scratching tong underpinning the commanding female vocals of alpha anderson and degray chic specialized in this club. Ready music the majority of their songs were danceable several. Even have the word dance right in the title repeated like a mantra however simple and plain spoken these lyrics sheiks arrangements were complex detail cutting edge and their name was truth in advertising in an era of bell bottom jeans and polyester leisurewear chic were just that stylish natty elegant with rodgers edwards and drummer. Tony thompson in sharp suits and their array of singers led by alfa anderson in. Reinvented jazz age outfits. Chic looked like a very classy throwback but their music sounded like the future however unwittingly nile rodgers and bernard edwards of sheikh. Were helping to invent the sound of the next decade. There were bands that formed specifically to emulate elements of their stein. There will also records produced by the sheikh masterminds. they'd gave pop legends some of their biggest hits and and round nile. Rodgers returned certain rock icons into pop stars from the dawn of mtv. The dawn of the nineteen ninety s and sheikh sound is i chart topping bands that rodgers and edwards had no hand in producing busted dust and they even accidentally launched the most important musical shift of the last forty years. And you don't stop the up just the today on hit parade. We will chronicle the chart history of what group co founder nile. Rodgers calls the chic organization. It's like a marvel cinematic universe of pop not just a band but a universe of acts indebted to produced an shepherded up the charts by the alumni of sheikh from the late seventies right through the first two decades of the twenty first century nights. She's on my. You'd think a band with this much influence on rocks. Trajectory would have been shoo for the rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah funny story. Well maybe not so funny. I'll get to that. Perhaps sheiks feet with rock fans was sealed the week they scored their final chart topping hit. And that's where your hit parade marches today the week ending august. Eighteenth nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine. When sheikh topped the billboard. Hot one hundred with good times not only last number one hit but their last top forty hit one week later. Good times would be injected by a new number one that rock fans and nineteen seventy-nine regarded as a blow against bans like chic. But as we'll discuss bernard edwards and nile rodgers. Scarcely disappeared from the top of the charts. They kept the good times coming for decades. Thank you decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer a set of patio chairs and shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping or up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. The world could use a little extra love and hallmark. Cards are a great way to show everyone in your heart. How much you care about them. A hallmark valentine's day card gives you away to share all the reasons why you love the important people in your life. you already know hallmark. Valentine's are perfect for your partner but they're also a meaningful way to show appreciation for your friends family even coworkers hallmark has so many different valentine's cards from fancy foil. Accents for the love of your life to pop up. Papercraft for kids to side-splitting lee funny jokes for your bff. You can find a card. That's perfect for everyone. You care about with a wide variety to choose from hallmark. Valentine's day cards. Help you figure out how to say what you mean to every person you love whether you go with funny or fancy. You'll find something that delivers your personal sentiments. The right way and the message. You put in a hallmark. Valentine is something they can go back to again and again. It's a physical representation of how much you care on valentine's day. Love is for all so visit hallmark dot com slash parade to shop a wide variety of cards. And show everyone in your heart a little love. That's hallmark dot com slash parade. Enjoying this rock song. Hungry like the wolf. Duran duran's breakthrough hit in america topped billboard's rock tracks chart in early nineteen eighty-three indicating strong. Airplay on album oriented rock stations. It topped the rock chart months before peaking at number three on the hot one hundred the members of chic had nothing to do with this duran duran classic but in a way she had everything to do with one common and misbegotten notion about popular. Music is the idea that a new style or genre will radically eight a previous one. The emerging musical format might become more popular. Might even make the older style unclean but the older style typically doesn't just drop off the charts for example the us breakthrough of the beatles in nineteen sixty four which spawned the british invasion in america. Did make it harder for listening. Crooners girl groups and duo but none of that music went away in fact. Several of the acts that were hitmaker's before the beatles like frankie valli and the four seasons continued to be hitmaker's into the late sixties. And beyond your just too good to be. Can't take my eyes off the same. Went for the nineteen ninety-one breakthrough nevada second guard and pearl jam. Nineties grunge ended offshoots. Did make hair metal far less successful commercially. Little alternative rock didn't actually kill metal. Metal just retooled its sound for the of grunt it adapted to survive probably one of the biggest myths about rock history however was the disco quote unquote died at the start of the nineteen eighties. Let's be clear disco. Didn't actually die just a couple of years into the one thousand. Nine hundred. Eighty s michael jackson and madonna retooling disco new wave dance. Certainly by the end of the seventies. Boom word discount started to become commotion. Poison in previous hit parade episodes. We've dissected what the so-called death of disco actually meant. I've talked about how the bg stopped topping the charts after nine thousand nine hundred seventy nine. But then barry give and. His brothers became potent songwriters and producers on a variety of eighties. Hits for other artists. I've also discussed. How donna summer was booth elevated and then dragged down by her status as the seventies queen of this but summer found ways to adapt to the eighties and still score big hits however no disco associated act arguably adapted better to the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and beyond than the members of chic work of nile. Rodgers and bernard edwards. Both with chic and with other acts collaborated with not only contradicts. The notion that disco was short-lived phenomenon. It also makes a mockery of the very idea that rock killed disco if anything rock in the eighties absorbed and coopted the sleekness the instrumental polish. And even the rhythms of discussing some disco was always part of rock and roll and it continued to inform rock long after the seventies rocker is from the eighties and beyond emulated the rhythmic suppleness of bands. Like she still the story of the sheikh university. Hits right through the twenty. Tens is one of both adaptation and underestimation. Their family tree branched out in many unpredictable directions. Perhaps the mutability of the chic sound grew out of the members cross cultural backgrounds. In fact early on the band's founders especially surviving member nile rodgers. Weren't really trying to play dance music at all. I read around nineteen sixty eight in the bronx new york. Fifteen-year-old nile rodgers was trying to teach himself to play this beatles song. The precocious teenager couldn't understand why a day in the life sounded so terrible on the guitar. He'd gotten for christmas in his autobiography les freak rogers recalls the day when his mother's live in boyfriend came home from work and taught him to tune his guitar properly. So that the chords in young niles beatles songbook would sound right crowder students. This impromptu guitar lesson was one of the happier moments in niles tumultuous childhood born in one thousand nine hundred fifty to two weeks. Thirteen-year-old bedroom goodman young nile only saw his biological father a traveling musician named nile roger senior on occasion and then usually when his dad was inebriated his mother and his white stepfather both heroin addicts young nile. But for the first sixteen years of his life nile shuttled back and forth between new york and la and a series of homes belonging to relatives or his mom's boyfriends still young nile possessed. A great deal of his father's innate skill and he grew up surrounded by music learning both the flute and the clarinet in school. Before trying to transpose. Clarinet cords onto his first guitar. Rogers later said that his ability to read music thanks to his years with wind instruments. Set him apart from other guitarists and got him gigs. In his late teens and twenties indeed once the teenager moved out on his own and settled in manhattan in the late sixty s he discovered stumbled onto an ideal seen for a budding musician. Nile rodgers began hanging out at legendary manhattan club. Max's kansas city. The home venue for the velvet underground whom roger saw multiple times by his own. Admission rogers was not a soul man but a hit the and he was more into the amount guard and jazz music. His stepfather rogers played at max himself. And in his book he compares his first band called new world rising a quote jazz blues rock fusion electrified band that was unfortunately never recorded to such groovy jazz. Inflected acts of the time as blood sweat and tears and elephants. memory max's. kansas city was tonight. Will rogers what the kaiser keller in hamburg was to the beatles. The club where he honed his chops began studying with jazz and classical guitarists and by the early seventies rogers was professional. Enough to score an audition for a touring gig this gig. Which nile calls. The moment he turned pro was with well again. Not the most predictable project since the hip. Pbs children's program. Sesame street hired nile rodgers. As guitarist for its live road trip he toward the country and met. The show's cast one sesame street. Cast member read along. Who played susan on the show. Rogers his next gig the house band at harlem's famed apollo theater on rogers. Very first night at the apollo. He backed up the madcap legendarily theatrical screaming jay hawkins who hayes the new guitarist by chasing nile around the stage in skeleton makeup more seriously the old timers in the apollo band finally taught how to really play funk and soul with r&b notation to that point rogers was a straight classical and jazz trained player the apollo gave nile his group which he then poured into more club and session one night at a gig in the bronx by journeymen had a bar. Nile jumped on stage to join the band and he met a nattily dressed. Bassist named bernard edwards raised in brooklyn. Edwards was the same age as rogers born just weeks apart but edwards was a more traditional. R&b plan what set him. Apart was his distinctive fleet fingered shocking approach on the base that night in the bronx as nile rodgers recalls in. His autobiography bernard edwards was dressed in a polished outfit of silk slacks and a pattern shirt. He was not terribly impressed. With nile. rodgers hippie threads in groovy vibe bernard or nord as nile came to call him. Had to admit that this hippie dude on the guitar could play when the band shifted into the meter syncopated funk. Classic cissy strut smile turned on a dime and played along. Two men became rogers says inseparable by one thousand. Nine hundred seventy three edwards landed a gig that would prove pivotal for the both of them. He became the musical director for an armed be vocal troupe. Calling itself new york city and new york city. The group had an actual hit on the charts. I'm doing fine now. Was a number seventeen. Hit on the hot one. Hundred in june of seventy three contrary to their name. New york city's sound was philadelphia. Soul the aren be style. That was in vogue at the time made famous by philly producers. Like kenny gamble. Leon huff and tom bell as the backing band. For new york city bernard edwards and his guitarist friend nile rodgers would need to play in these contemporary. R&b styles so they assembled an independent band to back up new york city and potentially other sanders edwards and rodgers called their troop. The big apple bank. This is covered his by the big apple. Band nile rodgers and bernard edwards. Fronted by a singer named bobby qatar. Even before the formation of sheikh fear they're playing styles establish themselves edwards patented shutting. They style is now complemented by roger who's equally rhythmic danceable funk and guitar and irresistibly syncopated style that edwards encouraged rogers to play to complement. His baseline band also attracted several other talented players. Their drummer was tony thompson and ace session player. Who had backed such bands as hitmaker's lebel of lady marmalade fake. Eddie mama several gigs. The big apple band was also by young vocalist luther. Vandross like nile rodgers vandross had gotten an early break on no kidding sesame street in the show's first season by nineteen seventy four vandross was rapidly emerging as go to session vocalist. He sang on and arranged the backing vocals for the album. Young americans david bowie's smash foray into me vandross. Intern would introduce rodgers and edwards to a potent female vocalist. Who toured with the spinners. And would one day be a soloist in her own right. Ms norma jean right. The gradual the big apple band developed following of their own independent of new york city. And for a hot second. It looked like they would become a standalone act. The even recorded a single in nineteen seventy six credited to the big apple band called party and get on down more but then feet intervened this one thousand hundred seventy six smash a fifth of beethoven. A disco arrangement of the classical composers. Fifth symphony was recorded by new york based composer walter murphy meeting abandoning for his new single murphy. Coincidentally and much to the chagrin of nile rodgers and bernard edwards dubbed his backing players. The big apple band so once a fifth of beethoven now credited to walter murphy and the big apple band reached number one on the hot one hundred in the fall of nineteen. Seventy six rodgers and edwards realized there. They'd band needed a new name. And the ever sophisticated bernard edwards proposed the name. chic nile. rodgers wasn't so sure about his partners. Idea chic sounded funny to him. A bit pretentious. But he couldn't come up with anything better and nile did have some heavy ideas of his own about how the band could maintain its chic mystique. He took cues from a pair of rock bands. Mind joe while visiting wanted in early seventies rogers caught a club gig by the british art rockers. Rock scene music nile was. Wow not only by their intricate musicianship but by their glam style especially debonair lead singer bryan ferry then. When nile went to a record store to buy some roxy music albums he realized none of the band members appeared on the lp jackets only glamorous models like four. your pleasures covergirl. Amanda lear or playboy model maryland cole. Who appeared on the cover of rossi's lp stranded that gave nile rodgers one piece of the puzzle. His other inspiration. Though broadly in the rock category couldn't have been more different from roxy music. Man american glam metal band kiss were dominating readings in the mid seventy s and roger's got a kick out of their onstage gimmick most notably the fact that the band only ever performed in full makeup never revealing their faces nile. Wanted to invert. What kiss had writing in his memoir quote what if we played the faceless backup band professional on in other words rogers conceived of a band with the anonymous armor of kiss combined with the suave sophistication of roxy music. But he also wanted to play with the intricacy of the jazz acts he loved. It was a good time for that too. Because by the mid seventy s leading jazz players whom nile admired or branching out into funk r&b including per behan copy and roy ayers by nine thousand nine hundred seventy six even niles beloved roxy news recording rock with an rn be rhythm like their first american hit the disco rock hybrid. Love is the drug. He would combine. All of these influences urbane mystique theatrical blackness jazzy intricacy but the secret weapon would be the band's skill they had killer bassist lead guitarist and drummer plus access to top shelf. Vocalists and their first recording showed off all of that nile rodgers. Wrote everybody dance. As essentially affleck's a showcase for sheikh. It was a real workout. A base part. Rogers new nobody but edwards could play a relentless four on the floor. Beat that tony thompson nailed and the chicken scratch guitar. That had become niles own signature. Plus their vocal arranger luther vandross brought in class a vocalists diva gray robin clark and himself. Together on background vocals and on lead vocal. Norma jean right song would set a template for sheep. Simplicity masking complexity the lyric seemed dopey and decadent its chorus was just an ultra basic. Everybody dance clap. Your hands punctuated by a scouting. Do do do but that seemingly. Mindless surface sat atop intricate vocal arrangements and instrumental shops. The record was so catchy. Even though sheep were not yet signed to a label local new york club. The night owl began spinning a lack of test pressing. The song wasn't even vinyl yet and the crowd yelled for the dj to play it over and over. When nile rodgers visited the night owl and told them he did everybody dance. They treated him like a kid. Everybody dance was sheiks first recording but it would not be their eventual first single. Having found their formula. The band recorded another dancefloor directed general. This time nile rodgers. Wrote the song with bernard edwards. He was no nonsense and had a for simplifying niles. Overly busy arrangements still. This was another complex aren be track with jazzy chords punctuated by seemingly frivolous lyrics. It's titled dance dance dance and it's parenthetical subtitle which was a jazz freeze dated to the roaring twenty s yauza. Yau's of it was the infectious dance. Dance dance gyasi yells that finally got chic signed to a label in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven the storied atlantic records which had already passed on the group previously. The celebrated label fascinated by ertegun and jerry wexler was once renowned for its r&b. Atlantic was built in the fifties and sixties by such legends as charles common-law solomon burke lest we forget miss aretha franklin by the seventies atlantic had become better known for such huge selling. White rock acts as crosby stills nash and young children yes and led zeppelin. This perhaps explains the label's blind spot for a band like sheikh. Atlantic wasn't primarily black music mecca anymore. But when the smaller label buddha records issued an early pressing of sheikhs dance dance dance single and scored immediate. Dj and dance floor. buzz atlantic's president belatedly realised. The song was a smash the making atlantic signed chic and we issue dance dance dance in the summer of one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. Buy the fall. It had cracked the charts. Thirst breaking on billboard's dance chart which was then called action by december. It was number one in the clubs. And that's when she single broke into the pop top forty. Casey kasem counted down the saw. The tops the disco chart this week at number thirty seven on american top. Forty debuts. that's dance dance. Dance as a us by chic dance. Dance dance eventually. Cracked the top ten reaching number six on the hot one hundred in february. Nineteen seventy eight that same month sheiks self titled debut. Lp broke into the album charts. Top thirty true to nile rodgers vision. The album cover emulated. The roxy music approach no band members. Not even it's female singers instead. A pair of models with whistles in their mouths of the camera seductively. You're the chic. Album was certified gold by march one thousand nine hundred seventy eight and it generated another top. Forty hit with the band's pearly est recording that club jam that had wowed the night owl crowd over a year. Earlier everybody dance. That single reached number. Thirty eight by jim in the clubs. The sheikh lp went deep a shuffling album cut called. You can get by. Featuring a rare lead vocal by bernard edwards himself followed both dance. Dance dance and everybody dance to number one on the disco chart much like their albums with varying players and singers on each track. Sheep saw themselves as a collective more than a band. In fact when they signed with atlantic rodgers and edwards formed a corporation the chic organization limited to manage their array of projects just months after the sheik lp came out edwards and rodgers produced their frequent. Vocalist norma jean rights. Debut solo album. Norma jean released in the summer of seventy eight norma. Jean generated an instant smash that sounded like an extension of the swab chic brand the number. Fifteen aren be hit saturday. The musical marvel cinematic universe of sheikh was already spinning off hits in its first year to the radio record stores and the clubs which made the origin story of their biggest hit ever rather ironic nile. Rodgers had envisioned that sheikh would be in his word faceless but he soon got a hard lesson is just what facelessness meant even in the new year. It's hard to start a new routine. But if you're one of the thirty four percent of americans who made a resolution to be less stressed head space is here to help head. Space is your daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations in an easy to use app head. Space is one of the only meditation apps advancing the field of mindfulness through clinically validated research. So whatever the situation head space really can help you feel better overwhelmed. Head space has a three minute. Sos meditate for. You need some help falling asleep head. Space has wind down sessions. Their members swear by and for parents head space even has morning. Meditations you can do with your kids. Head spaces approach to mindfulness. Can reduce stress improved sleep boost focus and increase your overall sense of wellbeing head. 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Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping or up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck edition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Now that they were the toast of the club's nile rodgers and bernard spent much of nineteen seventy-eight going to clubs for field research as well as pure pleasure. This of course included famed new york nightclub studio fifty four which had opened the prior year and was already at the peak of its influence and snooty exclusivity among the regulars at fifty four was the iconic classic model actress and singer grace jones who was just starting to score club hits of garrone jones befriended nile and nord and invited them to the club frequently on nights when she was there and was putting names on studio fifty. Four's legendary guest list. But one night when jones was not at the club and rodgers and edwards. Were trying to get in. That's when they had some trouble the clipboard holder's didn't recognize them not even as the hitmaker's behind sheiks floor filling hits. Nothing they said or did could get them past the velvet rope. Not even as nile rodgers recounts in this twenty sixteen onstage live interview by trying on fake french accents so we knock on the back door studio fifty four and we say hello. We're personal friends of miss grace and the guy slams the door in our faces any says. Oh no no the back door studio. Fifty four was on fifty third street between eighth avenue and broadway. My apartment was on fifty second street between eighth and ninth avenue so we went to my apartment and this is the first thing that we wrote to books bernard edwards soon realized. They had an actually catchy track on their hands. Not just pissed tick. He suggested that there bomb could become the word freak. But freak off didn't sound much better. So nile who was familiar with lsd from his trippy. Hit as suggested quote. How about all freak freakout like when you have a bad trip so when you're out on the dance floor losing it your freaking out unquote and listeners. That's when the best selling single in atlantic records. History was more lip freak. As the francophile duo called their song was unusually wordy for sheikh. It was sung by alfa anderson who had taken on primary vocal duties. Now that norma. Jean had gone solo. Joined by frequent collaborator diva gray. And they have their work cut out for them. The chorus was once again. Just a chance like their prior. Hit dance dance dance but the versus were cheeky and sounded like advertising copy promising. You'll be amazed by the new dance. Craze quote young and old are doing it. I'm told just one try and you too will be sold unquote released in the early fall of nineteen seventy eight just weeks. After the singles from their first album had faded on the charts. Sheiks live freak. Took just seven weeks to reach number one. How big a hip wasn't here's some fun. Trivia for my fellow charts live freak pulled off a rare hot one hundred hat-trick reaching number one three times in december nineteen seventy eight when they free. I hit the top. It knocked out the blockbuster. Barbara streisand and neil diamond duet. You don't bring flowers after one week. Out of the top spot. Streisand and diamond went back to number one replacing the freak but one week after that lay freak ejected barbara and kneels hit again and it spent two more weeks on top then in early january. Nineteen seventy nine. The number one spot was taken over by another ballot. The bee gees latest single too much heaven but sheikh done after a fortnight of the brothers. Gabe on top lay freak returned yet again to number one and stayed there three more weeks in total it. Six weeks on top was greater than the streisand diamond. And bg's hits combined by the time lift freaks chart run was over. It had been certified for sales in the us alone of six million copies. According to the recording industry association of america in the seventies a million seller was certified gold and a two million seller was certified platinum the r. i. a. did not yet officially have multi-platinum awards those would be invented in nineteen eighty s but unofficially live freak. Was the first ever triple platinum single. Since platinum awards were invented earlier in the decade as for the same chic album it was platnum. Virtually out of the box while freak was at number one the week of christmas one thousand nine hundred seventy eight says sheikh reached number four on the album chart remarkable for an arin based disco album by a supposedly faceless group even more than their self titled debut lp says sheikh represented the cutting edge of polished poised dance music. Particularly on the album's second. Cindy i want your love. A number seven hit in spring of nineteen seventy-nine with its chiming bells. Sounds i want your love. Forecasted the sound of new wave dance music in the decade to come like donna summer who two years earlier had spawned an entire genre of electronic dance music with i feel love she to pointing the way to the future before the seventies were even out to date. The chic organization had given themselves a constellation of hits and produced an acclaimed album by singer in their orbit. Norma jean right now. Atlantic wanted to see if perhaps they could work their magic on an act that the never met one. That hadn't had a hit in here. Sister sledge were true to their name a family foursome composed of singers and sisters. Debbie joni. Ken and kathy sledge. This nine thousand nine hundred seventy five single love. Don't go through. No changes on me was their breakthrough and a minor hit reaching number. Thirty one on the r&b chart in one thousand nine hundred seventy five but for the next three years sister. Sledge came nowhere near the upper reaches of the charts when bernard edwards and nile rodgers took on sister sledge in late one thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight well. It worked like a charm. But i felt my guy. He's the greatest. Dancer was the lead single from sister. Sledge's nineteen seventy-nine studio alb- it topped the r&b chart got the sisters into the top forty on the pop chart for the first time where they reached number nine rogers had to convince the religiously raised sisters particularly lead singer. Kathy sledge to sing the line micron della crowned. Please take me home. Which implied a studio fifty four zero one night. Stand the sledge. Women had never even been to a disco but they sang the line as instructed and like the owned. According to rogers he may have even invented the now common hip hop troupe of shouting out brand names. When kathy sang staff who from the moment it dropped. The sister sledge album sounded like a ashiq backed greatest hits album every track was a bang and many of them scored club black and pop radio. Airplay like the aren be hit lost in music and my all time favorite chic organization single thinking of you pal. Oh and i haven't even mentioned the album's title which might ring a bell. We are family. Renard and nile rodgers wrote the album's title track specifically for sister sledge it belonged to the nation in nineteen seventy a feel-good single in a year of national leads. The song was even later adopted by the seventy nine pittsburgh pirates a backdrop to their world series championship. The we are family. Single went gold and brought sister not only back to number one on the r&b chart but to number two on the pop chart sandwiched between donna. Summer's hot stuff and need awards. Ring my bell. It was a great summer for black female anthems on the hot one. Hundred and sister. Sledge's hit was the most anthem. It of all you would think we are. Family would rank as rodgers and edwards greatest achievement in nineteen seventy nine not even close. She scored a hit under their own name that year. That not only brought them back to number one but remains their greatest legacy the baseline that launched a thousand ships when we come back. How sheikh helped event camera and how it launched them into the eighties and past the heaters. Non slate plus listeners will hear the rest of this episode in two weeks for now. I hope you've been enjoying this episode of history. Our show was written edited and narrated by chris. Milan fee. that's me. My producer is awful solution. Special thanks to dance. Music scholar christian john mccain for research assistance. June thomas is the senior managing producer and gabriel. Roth the editorial director of sleep podcasts. Check out their roster of shows at slate dot com slash podcasts. 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"Yes yeah your own ways. Doing those charges running it is generally limited MINSA. I was in the war but I didn't see you there. I fought for people like you and I never got one. Definitely a thematic thing on the first side of traffic. But I didn't WanNa make too much of a thing about that travel along or something so I thought no Josue. You can't really covered. It was originally was a point where it's going to be cool. But he was also going to be cool planned accidents and just before he was going to be called despite straight lines which will win out of the window planned accidents. I think that's what we're probably uses an eastern again. Just maybe he's the terrorist art and welcome twelve and album with me Ostlund Muhammad. And I'm happy that you join me for what could well be an adequately amusing forty minutes or so quality Bowie Bats. So here we are. It's mid April here in lockdown London. And I'm hoping that you're listening to me in good health reasonable sanity also wants to shout out to all this future. Thanks guys I didn't I. You did it but you made it through all right so anyway in this edition well. I was going to begin this podcast with some sort of small. What Pink Floyd the Smiths Robert Palmer? David Coverdale fly all have in common but given that you've seen the title of this episode. He'll probably already know that. So I'll just mentioned a fact that only has bass player extraordinarily guy. Pratt enjoyed one of the most colorful careers and rock'n'roll Biz. But he survived. Tell the tale in a superb okay my base and other unwholesome which is one of my favorite music books and his thirty recommended. Especially if you've got some laughs and quality antidotes to tide you over this lockdown period. So I was delighted guy agreed to join me on the PODCAST. As is a ball. Reckon Sir and actually. He's been touring standup show. Based on the stories in his book is what is thrown many more. Which didn't make fun of cuts. He's also playing with Nick. Mason saucerful of secrets that Pink Floyd Drummer Touring Extravaganza. That revisits the era of syd Barrett. And the early nineteen seventy s in the band's history so when we spoke guy like all of us was at home rather than performing with the band who were actually meant to be playing the UK around. But hopefully they'll be rescheduled ICH those life date. So if you're a floridian a sit head all just love a big psychedelic rock and roll. Circus keep an eye out for that. Bowie himself was a lifelong syd Barrett Fan and it was actually at his final. Uk appearance with Dave Gilmour at the album full in two thousand six that he shared a stage with guy for the haunting form of Arnold Lehman and comfortably numb so playing bass with Bowie is just one of the experiences. Wickets be hearing about some this series of conversations with guy as well as his filling in for gale adding Dorsey pissing former members of the smiths introducing his months of Bowie. Stay healthy untorn Australia and being escorted from a transatlantic flight in a hog whimpering semi-comatose staple. Thanks to Jimmy page the album that we begin to discuss and to be honest. We don't get that far into this. First episode is lobster definitely fine and much-maligned record that actually offers a Helluva lot to of and we'll be chewing like anything as we get further into the podcast. A definitely this episode. We start on then. We take another few healthy bites in the next edition but for now please do join me guy as we meet up over the Internet and talk amongst many many other things. Ludger when you write a book like this. Do you clear stories with people before you put them in. Yeah I did. I did with The people you can kind of says quote from reading. The book you can tell who I want to have dinner with again. There's something I found this when I was doing my stand up show and people came to the show. It's kind of because when I did my second version. The Shirk David Gilmore was always a great supporter. Great Sporran show and poke fun in bitter. And when I did my second version show the opening and and and I actually thought by then you know what David's kind of his of my absolute best friends. It's it's. It's a bit uncool reaction so some in my second show. I didn't mention him at all and he gave it. He was clearly upset. There are some things I mean. It's it's the old Oscar Wilde. There's only one thing worse than being talked about talks about but it it's I mean for instance with Madonna's like she was never going to call me again and you there's some people like with David Coverdale where everything I say about him is. I'm poking so clearly affectionate. I love the guy what the things really interesting for me about. The also. The thing is that I've since I stopped drinking a year ago and and I kind of feel that stuff through a different lens now is like well. This is clearly someone who's is on a very clearly honor journeys becoming fully-fledged Alcoholic. And after reading about you and trim page on the plane then Him because obviously you know he's scared. Oh I always wanted to be a pussycat. But he's I everything are about him. I sent to him and said Oh you cool with this guy was willing to take anything out but he just never got back to me. You know which is classic Jimmy Slow all right. We'll sort it but then some people just like to be upset with you anyway. What is interesting though is when I ever flick through the book. I find that extraordinary. How much that stuff? I remember which I just go if I were that now. There's no way I'd remember that and it's almost as if my memory was holding onto it was holding onto this stuff until I could get it down and then it was like okay. I don't anymore that's it. You've cleared out the menu excite. Yeah once once you've backed it up once important external drive now have to worry about. And it's because I always used to find funny was when People Jimmy Page story for instance because as interesting. Did you watch quiz? Yes yes I did right. There was a really brilliant point that came up during the court case of that when the barrister says the thing of how memory is a memory of events members lost time. You told us I suffered from this so much with my stand up show. Of course the Jimmy Page Story and the Michael Jackson story where I told the story so many times that all I can remember is the story and it got to the point where I began going. I have no idea where any of this ever fucking happened. All I can remember is the story so I remember what Ross. Hyphen came up to backstage at gigs photographer and he said Oh. You're on the water. Then so yes. He said. Last time I saw you. You'd be wheeled off a plane in a wheelchair where I was Christ certainly did happen then. It is through the Michael Jackson hiding under the desk. I'm just like did he. What did that happen? I didn't even know that did that happen. You Know Blessing Michael Jackson. I've read other accounts of people worked with him and similar stories. They're again that that period he was he was hiding all the time in. Rosement for meeting with him and he was clearly hiding under the desk a knowledge of sat there until it so awkward. He just had to leave. But do you think there'll be another installment of memoirs including the Bay? It's it would be through. I mean I did start writing one. I'm probably got enough stories. I don't enjoy writing and I don't really like my writer. I I think I tend to use the same sentence structure over and over again. And it's there's US way too much literally basically ultimately. I'm reasonably articulate. Not My articulacy doesn't seem to translate to my writing much as I'd like it too. I thought you've got a very distinct voice and let you say your your sentence. Structures and the pacing is wonderful. I can see why you enjoy stand up. You can tell a story you can hit those beats perfectly. I mean I read in an interview. You signed this that you're not so fond of your rights and then I read. Your book is being very heavily edited. Or He's a he's absolutely fine to me. It feels like it's like having to play bass with only two strings so much of your awesome taken away. You don't have timing you don't have inflection. You don't have. That's why people like you know. Morrissey is probably a bad example. Because actually maybe he was never being ironic because the whole thing is is any sort of sarcasm. Army has to be so telegraphed. When you put it on the page because you just haven't got the inflection I think that yes more sealskins terrible trouble for that but of course I realize actually know who's actually just the fashioned thug all alone I think I I ever heard your name when I was a massive Smith's Fan. So Andy Rourke was fired you came on board to who held office of Craig. Gannon was the only threat of legal action I had over. My Book was because I described him in the book as a sweet simple that who would later freak out on the road. Yes yes and that's sweeping whereby publishers letter. Which is written in legalese written like it was like imagine the distress caused? Craig Gannon and his family because his granny was just running out of the abyss written like this heavy legal letter. But it's from sort of see Gannon sixty seven at hotmail. I am but my publishers. They took everything very seriously. They're really freaked out about it. They guy you know. We're GONNA have to pull him from the well. It doesn't matter it's let's just sentence and I'm I'm nothing against the guy though trying to be slandering but I thought watch I do watch. I thought I know Oko Johnny Marr right so Joni always knows what to do so I called John and it was pretty. Don't Jazz it's do about this guy as I said. I'm just Toronto Symposium let me Call You back eight so twenty Ma so Johnny Marr. And and so he called back off now. Obviously a fabulous pair boots. I says God about an I know for fats. The I've called Craig Gannon imprint. Stupid fucking puzzled drunken focus. You think it's the sweet he doesn't like you'LL BE A. That's when I first heard of you was doing that. And just thinking Andy Rule I think is a fucking great bass player. He's a brilliant bass player. He was amazing. He was there when I was when I with him. He was that he was seem to write about agency particularly upset or anything he was code. Yeah Yeah it was a very funny. Bunyamin lock South just off mad all the time but the baselines with brilliant. I was really because it was one of those things. Smith songs aren't like you. Janis very similar to Gary. Kemp's a similar thing with his songwriting. You hear these songs and you think that's the song it's that it's Gonna I bridge chorus in amid light and it hasn't so funny right with joy newbie showing you really around found. Something goes right so he got the intro suspense. The I I right but it's not been sentenced. That's the same as the I I. It doesn't reinsurer but not quite the same as the insurance. And then there's the chorus and it goes back into the injured but it's not the same as the other intro and then it's the first verse isn't the same as the ask. Every bit is slightly different so complicated. You mentioned that that is what I think. One of my all time. Favorite Smith songs. When I first met John I I play guitar. Which was a slight. What the fuck what. The fuck is going. Where's the other guy? You brought maslow's radio did you. For what was influenced Brian? Brohm into the money changes everything. Yeah but it was amazing was I was just thinking Michael. This is some of the best highlife guitar. Playing I've ever had heard. He had thumb and finger picks as those has done getting getting. It sounded like it could've been fellow Kuti's band I said man. You must listen to love African music. I've no idea no and it's very very interesting. How people's influences aren't necessarily what they think. They'll the way you play isn't that you don't hear stop and go. Yeah so I want to be that. If you've got musical talent innate musical talent then you will play in a certain way and what you think you are isn't necessarily what you are. As far as I knew he grew up around punk around new wave before that he was Rory Gallagher Keith Richards. Blues WASN'T US. That was that was his thing. But then when you when you hear those are Patios and the way he does finger-picking you think of Nick Drake but not Shimmering Tone. He gets as well. Yeah but it's it's it's I mean. He does the fun of him. And David Gilmour basically two sides of the same coin that both an orchestra when Johnny came. See Pink Floyd in Manchester and I introduced Janis. David also fail. John is GonNa be fucking boring on fire and Dave is GonNa be this young punk and that was it. I just sat there completely. Complete goes break. The whole night couldn't get a word in you know they've just and it was so solidly and thanks to me. Thanks to me. It's both of them together on a customer. Call some really which one on I think. It's a is one about waving waving drowning but yet the guitar credit is David Gilmour and Johnny Marr. Fuck yeah look bringing the legends. Yes yes I love that story about when you met Bryan Ferry. And he said Hello because I know shake soon. I thought you big daddy and Deborah is thing. I've actually being tool because they're never tool. I think of those plum. You thought you'd be taller the amount of times. I've said that in my head blindly. Beat Sola do you think is a height thing that they like actors? Movie Stars are all tiny. Yeah don't try because that's what best only street. It's what looks best on screen. They will have outsize heads. Apparently I never noticed that Trivia fans have you. Have you ever been in a film I have? Yeah I've ever had lows parts up because when I was doing music for TV in the nineties I was used to ask for his Co. Vian walk. Yeah walk is Minty in space. The Guy who sold socialist worker and then won the lottery and had spent all the money on new knees. I was pissed crap. Shag in Linda Green played. A sort of null gallagher character in instill crazy right. That's walked through with this lovely bill. Nye On that film made bill night. That's when he sang it being Gary Camper in charge of the music and we had the singer and everything bill. Nye came in and sang like he'd like he'd done it his whole life the amazing and that's what. I was in film last year. Think who burning men so she really really quite good. I like doing either. I'd like to be an on the record of they're only good if I've written it but I'm really bad. Hitchcock walk on then. You can have great for that. I was. Oh Yeah. Young Person's God's coming a rockstars an Amazon. That was that was really brilliant. Really big budget series in the nineties about this young Scottish band. It's so funny. And I was in charge of all the music and had greg guest spots. Chrissie Hi no gallagher. Also Keith. Allen was in a. It was really really good. Big Budget thing huge hit and Australia. Funnily enough but it's an and I go album of the week in melody maker for it and it was great because it was right in the middle of Brit pop and everything and I kind of nineteen banned. It was really good. Fun just reminded me actually. I didn't realize that you apart of fat. Let's have. Yeah now you were pretty much. Yes to families. No I wasn't. It was yeah. It was me the idea of making the chorus vindaloo. It was just the last verse that was basically it will. I think it was case. Forty third birthday or something in a load of them went often limited. See Fulham play in a cup match. Came back with this idea and sly Moore living in the GROUCHO and I had the stage at home. Paul Brown my house and off. We went Laris. Yeah Amazing 'cause I've read about it now extremes book he doesn't mention me he doesn't fucking that's that's why that's why. I was double tasting already. All three of US put out autobiographies time and and the coins and I'm only in two of them cavendish out but it doesn't Miss Utah. Now he's like he's we have too many names Tori cheese saying David Explores view quality of life as modular. Rca records boy was probably quite far down the list isn't it let's be honest and it's Because there's no. I knew that well to be honest but there is something interesting. It's a bridge rate. Isn't it says this thing of. It's the end of the of the Berlin trilogy even though it isn't was supposedly is because it's a last e-e-e-e-no and fruit one some and it has that sound to it. If you've heard anything about this but I read a couple of places that ENO in Bowie. Pretty much fell. Yeah I got off to doing that. Because it was really in charge of knocking. Imagine of like Radio Oblique Strategies again fucking straightforward strategies. Back the truck. I always wrongly assumed was interesting. That's not on this album. That belongs on. It is fashion. I always thought fashion was on this album. It's it's such it's it's it. Sounds like it was recorded in the same sessions. Boys keep swinging. Lyrically is exactly that same school of irony it. I've always found it hard to describe this. Brilliant thing that Bowie does that when he when he does that. Sort of cold ironic thing you get an. I guess it's kind of like come. It's like Paul Verhoeven like we starship troopers or something. It's minutes before because it's with valve genius by that you can take it either way. You can either go with the fascists or see what's really going on but So yeah I always thought. Also boys keep swinging. Here's the thing that really interests me about. That song is the apparently they changed instruments right. And that's call US Alamo playing bass now that is the most George Murray base line. I've ever heard in my life but it doesn't sound like him. Forget sort of Bass player in tackiest forbid. George had very distinctive. Sound that I shall do. I don't know what George Platt anything about as equipment but that base sounds like it was played on a music man with a thick. And it's so some once. I knew it was call us certain things about it the sound like guitars but the actual line itself is so Joe Smith. It was it's theory wise from exactly the same school as heroes as the heros. Yeah is saying you may know. Yes get edited. Visconti of adopt the base on that on boys keep swinging. Well that would again with that make sense but again. I'm not one hundred percent by read some of that. Yeah they all tried this thing of swapping instruments around Visconti of sleeping. A vase play himself. Yeah exactly that would make sense because there's one that ruined decadent the run down the end of it which is busy you can always do. Which sounds like a base pair with do that? Not because you can always tell you can always tell when guitarist to play. Bass for instance. Give David Gilmour Bass Guitar and here. He will play the most pedestrian. Nothing thing ever gave him a fretless. And he's David Gilmour again really and plays if you listen to that hey you off the wall and they says exquisite language kind of because you. Yeah Yeah Yeah you were saying that. This is not in the really wraps up the so-called trilogy. It's now from that transitional interesting about this. Is that compared to the previous albums this is Bowie. Actually quite human. He's gone back to a more rock based sound out of the electronic of the last few albums. He's gone to more identifying call it traditional but certainly there are more song based structures. Do you know what I mean. Listen to remind yes there is but there's also I think there's an interesting cultural point. Which is that. This is his first album. Post-punk right this is because it was heroes falls in seventy seven. Yep Joint in the middle of it. This is post punk. Are you GonNa Remember? Right for seventy for my generation? The only two people who came through punk unscathed were Bowie. The hope they're very to people who are like absolutely for you know you didn't have to defend at all Roxy Music had broken up. I think they probably would have made it. Brian Price should bear which which stiffed which he put down to punk by the stones with some goals. Yeah it was good but the stones were absolutely you know they were they. They were jet-set trash they personified. They were yes. You love the signs but you quite about it. Yeah exactly which. Which is the great things back. In time. In fact animals is actually as in keeping with the Times it could be. I mean it's it's practically. Give them enough rope. But yeah so that's why much before. Like on a on yes. Sassine for instance the fact that I was wondering because of its reggae thing because travel is so much the theme of the album and he's got the Turkey state but I wonder because that cord that core change that slightly flat. Flamenco Turkish is say eat. F- thing is something that we had become all the two-tone acts did hadn't been hadn't been of in any way prevalent in pop music at all until the daytime thing so I'm just wondering if he was referencing that or if he recorded it before so to me this awesome is really steeped in say more New York punk right so I think you've got a lot of talking heads. And yes well he probably because he knows steeped in all that long before so. Yeah well we know was obsessed with talking heads was how did. I worked with them at this point or is that yet. You would've never remember early on wrote. That song king's lead hat which was meant to be what talking heads would sound like if he produced them right. Yeah I think he'd been with them since. Like seventy six seventy seven so he in with talking heads for quite a while and and television low. That didn't work out apparently had been done something with Elaine Tony. I didn't know them with larger. Let's we'll start off with fantastic voyage and last time we spoke. We were kind of going around this one that it'll be at schools of trying to figure out where he was coming from. What what was your take on that? Well I said I now have. I have trouble listening to without hearing boys. Keep swinging because it's the same. It's the same song. Yes because it's very much about him isn't it is about here trying to get away from it was about getting out. Berlin really isn't it. I mean I think it could be fantastic for just life life itself. Life is choice and here. He is setting up this concept of himself as the traveler and so many ways the more I think about it. This album is a departure. It's like a gyro by Joni Mitchell. Something like the the idea of travel is is mental. Yes yes also. Yes and there's the Cold War isn't it? Yeah bombs nuclear potential nuclear armageddon and You know which goes coming from Berlin where that was that was on top of you every day. Why the move to Switzerland? I guess it's this sort of search is perhaps a search for safety of great safety from the tax authorities. Let's be honest. I think that pretty much Robert Palmer told me that when he moved bad things that you you do a deal with the tax authority's is the things you move there. When you have an optically goodyear and you say this is what I made and then you pay them that every year getting by I don't want to get into the intricacies of tax with no no no but I remember when he signed with the am I I remember. There was a big thing about well. And he's so apparent. He insisted that he got his advance in Swiss francs. Wow that's WHOA and it's like well. No he lives in Switzerland. Could he was just wanted to put it into his bank account. Surely so we went Bowie signs ear Mites must have been a lot of blow-black from the left from the alternative side about their man. Now showing up with this yellow bombs on his head in the fifty zoot suits and let's dance and Russia's no idea because as I said my book I loved it when that happens. When let's dance came out was because those musicians who open completely bewitched by disco and the whole thing everyone had moved from rock music to funk concerned disco and hip hop exist the days of hip hop so suddenly bowie turns up with like a sort of Punky version of Ashiq? Recode is like fucking game may takes every box. It's New York. It's I think this is the moment you tell us. Your story eighty-three yes. That's well when when I was in Ice House and we got all support him on serious moonlight tour and we were asked. He needs a halo. Go Yeah because it came quite. It wasn't long before the toll we got to do it and so the ban put together. This was only three shows. We just at Milton Keynes and Rotterdam and Murrayfield and so they put together this package. Because that's come from Australia where we did all these European German festivals. German traveling federal midsummer night's dream and came to see us. He came to see us. We I was in catering and all these flashbulbs going off and some need fucking house buddy and he just walked up and photographers. He said. I think you should be in this sort of why I'm standing there and then Tony Thompson. He's with Tony Thompson. And carmine rose and they put their arms around me. And I'm like what am I point and I look ridiculous. I mean the joke was was in the photo wearing this sort of incredulous expression. Because it's nine hundred eighty-three my girlfriend's fucking Kimono so liberty I think flies are on done as well and the image of a young Guy Pratt and a Komo no fly zone but the expression David Bowie came under slave denim jacket to directly to you. But but it's quite funny because the company's in desperately trying to picture of Bowie with either the singer from Ice House but died so I didn't speak to me for days and I was going to be there but yeah the follow up to this story is the in two thousand six when Barry came and sang with us with Gilmore. The album whole we did this team photo of the band special guests which is great actually because on the album is bringing it. Looks like it's my band. David Gilmour is Robert. Wyatt's nurse chair. Yeah he's holding will chat in the middle. Hey many so when we did the Patriots Brom Racer to the pictures Brian. I want to get my perks. Prowl pitcher with page my word yes and I went up. Save is High David. Murray sorry about want to try and recreate this picture that you and I remember. We had this pitch taken ninety three right and he stood next week. I saw the same thing anyone I remember that picture dow down I south Germany. Ninety three kidding when I was wearing the scarf for you know what I think. There was some haberdashery involved rush back to get the phone offer my mum's obviously and politics wasn't scoff tool Sharma. He was he was an absolute trauma he was did. He meet them again between two nights out with him on a night out with him in the bands of for some reason. I Yeah I just went down to the hotel bar the right time in Rotterdam because I was just all over Tony Thompson because I was such a Chia an he just wants to talk about John Bonham and Blah silently. And then Sonny's like Hager and outcome on those. I'm in the van. And then this club with David and I have a chat with David. Then it all goes mad his fan start trying to grab him. Some got the handwriting's throat. David Hudson Lee and apart they talked about this for years afterwards apparently was quite so. That's endorsing just another ordinary knights. No Big Ovalles. When I stayed at the College at Cal Sinema. Who's a real wisdom who said Yeah Gone Out? David's fine you just gotTa let him leave. It was also call us. Alabama said gave me this great advice which I never fucking hated. And it's an which is so true. She said at the end of any tall. Just go on holiday vacations. He said you should go and convict. He said don't go home. You'll no good to anyone for weeks. And he's so right. Yeah and I never took it because you just because I just finished a tour and I go home on the wall so it's causing. Didn't you're on the table going? Hello Wimbley Yeah. Who's holding the fantastic moment? I had was when we're playing at Milton. Keynes and my mom came backstage backstage. And the funny thing was we had this porta cabin and the band of course being Australian. We're bit bit behind the curve. So they don't just discovered cocaine so it was a fucking mess in there didn't want my mom is taking place. Which is my folks be Fab and so I just kept her outside. And we're just having a chat with us and it was all is Britain things where this limo pulls up right in front of this door opens out gets Bowie. Hurler Guy Shakes my hand. Oh Dave tests my mom tessa signing amazing timing. I'm guessing that your mom knew who he was. Obviously it'd be like who's that no no. No Mom's hip with Joe. Costa have was how Australian part of any toll was always great because you did all sorts of fabulous fun healthy outdoorsy things just because the because they make over drugs in a walk and there's nothing you want well. Let's let's eighty-three back to Africa. Africa night flight. Yes which I love. This thing went looked up a bit about him meeting with these German pilots. Yea Bush pilots. Yeah that's what he's doing and I'm going to include a little clip here now where he's talking about the some and that's exactly what you're saying. He was on Safari Kenya. He go and hang out in these buzz. And there'd be all these form fights pilots who are now doing tourist holidays and always drunkenly every night just going one of these days going to go back home but it's kind of like you know the the Japanese soldiers who would be in the forests for decades but stylistically. It's amazing isn't it? It's very my life in the Bush. Ghosts right exactly. He's always tumbling over the words he's pretty down live. All that stuff is again. He was always very fun. I believe he was full Marino. Oh can I make a point in? Which is maybe controversial. Which is the once he split with Mick Ronson. He never wrote a musically complex song again in terms of technically complex in terms of you look at the start up to a loud insane stuff like life on. Mars is so complicated so many calls in it after he never off to that period he never song with more than say six seven chords in interest of how much of that how much of that was. Ronson. Bowie would have obviously Super Minimalist Corp wise left on device. I'm not to disparage his writing in any way all of his best song written but they were never complicated again never musically complex which was come close then in terms of complexity and sort of dynamics. I can't think of any. There's none from say after landed sane up to Oslo said Yeah. I've actually the last time there's a couple of things like sweet thing on diamond dogs searching Sir. Yeah but there's but things like the chord sequence at the end of rock and roll suicide which is stunning unstuck. And it's it's. It's not until you learn to play. Go Oh my God. What's going on here and I never did anything like that again. But that would have been Ronson showed he wouldn't say that's what I mean. It's very interesting. How how how important some was for the just for the technical musical. Not Saying anything was was superior musically those little clip on BBC a few years back where they had rick Wakeman demonstrating. Yes or no listen. My son did it for his grade. Six piano really loved tough. That must be really tough because L- listen to this what he's doing here. He goes here and the new expected to go there. But it doesn't it goes here and then it goes there and he was marveling just the Unorthodox arrangement and just have that served the dynamic that song so beautifully. And it really. I can tell that there's an unpredictable moments coming up and it's like the Beatles is like any handful extraordinary composed. What was he saying? Gary skycams Guy Kemp's Mick Ronson documentary. Where he he gets a classical conductor and he gets a string section in to take you through. Mick. Ronson string part for life on Mars. And is he playing with Tony? Visconti spanned holy holy is seen. No no no no no. He's thinking when me with Nick Mason. Sola Secrets Shrimp Pants mixed up. Who's singing with ODI? Holy fucking I know. I know the story. I'm going to tell you you know when they did that. Thing in the Brits the other year where they triple AAA had his board. Yeah I did. I was the Bass player right performance. I did all the rehearsals. I was with the band when they went to that dinner for the for the documentary. I THE SOUND CHECK. I did everything and then Guy Landau see turned up for the show. I was stunned for that. I did. It was really ironic at the time. Time David Gilmour. We were sort of between legs of his tour and he decided he wanted to get a new band because he had moment. And I was at that point. I was sacked and I was cool with that was like David. It's up to you if you're someone I totally get it. Even though nothing and he'd ask Gail Dorsey and she was deciding whether or not to do it. And I was standing in for and the funny thing is. I was thinking if I was her. If about take someone's gig. They've had for twenty eight years. Maybe let them fucking do this other one did she do it did destroy said no? David David got me back. Very funny thing. All the women in my life in how are always right. My mom and my Mrs Just Went Jens Act. You know he has. His No isn't isn't and sure enough. It should be so you basically rehearse the band you filled in. It was gone fantastically well with the MIM party. Mike Garson speaks very fondly of me since then. Some very chuffed about He's amazing so such an amazing player but there was never any question that you would have been doing that Gig at the Brits. It was always that you know it was only on the understanding that I was. Yeah and obviously I`ve. I've never never wanted someone's plane to be lane so much my life. Yes she's just mad at the last minute by did get goodie bag. So what's what's good back. Oh it was a a well. Everything went to my son pair of Nice pair of headphones waterproof sense because you know. Jbl stuff when you when you were rehearsing with this band. I mean do you have a favorite Bowie track to play one? That's so well. The thing is the thing in originally being five minutes and they got cut down about ninety seconds. So we were. We were let. She took like thirty seconds of each song. Arcos most stars on forty five. Yeah radio which offer to do. I did realize after I made it real rookie era. I was playing under pressure and octave too low plan to do a fucking advice. Plan would expect that track of all tracks where it's the base. I didn't occur to me that it was. I'm very it's a communist. I have opted blindness sometimes anymore thoughts and Africa night flights or are we going to go straight. No not really I mean just. It's it's it's my life in the Bush cuts coming riddy. The Jess in the middle and yeah. What's that saying saying? Is that made them yes? It says it's ASENSIO body body body. Seventeen abandon abandon Nevada but does it mean something or is it does but then I didn't write it down so I don't know I don't know but one thing I do know is that Brian Eno is credited. With cricket menace to have you ever seen that and cricket menace is apparently the sound he made blending a fucked up drum machine and synthesizer for that zinc's noise so there you go. There's there's there's the fact of the day right. Let's let's move on with move on God. I should be on local radio. Now move on this yes now. Is this the one that was guy? Mitchell pod tastic voyage which we mentioned this time but yes just to bring that story so Guy Mitchell who signed she wears red feathers and a Hula Hula skirts. Yeah now you said you thought the cords might absence due and I actually have meal. I looked up that song. I don't think it is but I am partly named Guy Because of Guy Mitchell so that's wonderful. I don't know who I'm named after but it's certainly not as cool as that. It's actually Bowie. Who said that because in an interview that the song structure fantastic voyage? I mean not street wears red. Feathers appeared on the album. Locher two forms. I appears here and then further as boys keep swinging iron. That's what yes that's right. Both the Temple de I did this get on the album. Scary monsters proved nothing thinking about it guy. Mitchell would have done this song proud. That's right yeah no. I read that as well if there are other people who did that stock. Waterman wasn't that there's another track on the on the Rick Asti album which is the same backing track is never going to give you up really. Yeah these the whole backing track right so move on so the move on another one which I think is it's again I think it's that same so of irony thing and it's because it makes it very macho. It's very redolent of the Wandera. Isn't it all all all I'm Eric Burden of? We can get out of this place. You see you say I can't quite hear that. No no I can appreciate that. Perhaps Roberts tenuous a link but it says to me but it has got that very early sixties filter it. I love it. I love especially when you start. Listing places is brilliant. Could he sort of expand on that sixties? Five you're getting off it. Yeah well it's the fact that it just as opening lines and and the musical fail is just sounds. Quite is quite sort of already sixty. It's quite grandiose isn't it? Yeah Bitcoin I mean the sound is quite garage but even with those were big guitar coats. Jane Jane Jane are and this is sort of like the galloping. Tom's all the way through which are anti love. But that's the thing. It's that kind of that space surf and and he's doing east during this. This voice coming up in. It'll be as a scheduled fifties action hero somewhere. Someone's coaling ships the irony. That's already made that it. Is that same ironic thing. And it's slightly pastiches. Yeah I mean definitely here I mean. I think every one of these podcasts. I've done something. We have to mention Scott Walker. And now that's that's yes. I think that's the one thing I've been missing out. You're right yes both big part Scott Walker has that and science well. That's the two cornerstones of the voice of the vocal range is Anthony Newley and Scott Walker. Although some old people would say sit Barra yes yes and in this one of the interviews are so last night actually this capital radio thing. One of the students him What is it you do when you do this? Strange or dies voice and he goes. Oh well that's it. Totally hundred percent directly ascribes to sit by his a very determinedly doing his eyes in that SORTA strangled London voice. So yes theft. Is it so sit? The Holy Trinity of Amazon Dearly and Scott Walker whose those back in the X. Someone did there was some impressionist was. You did a Bowie. Think which I never had the original but friend of Mine Andy. Kane is brilliant singer. Who's actually one of the biggest Bowie obsessive of Easter? Which was really fun I could remember his impersonation of it which is who's got bus sausages. It's fun Italian Pasta. I get from his E. I know this singing. His new single wish my sausages sausage today. Funny Little Bits Majett. Sally I have you heard Adam Buxton's Bowie. No of course cindy that you'll live that. He's done a documentary using Lego. Men like a stop motion animated Lego things the one with the allowed insane a cover and everything one where he comes home to angie and she yes the Cotonou basing idea I'm 'cause yes character and call him couple of Bob. She's like Cobbler Bar. I've seen that one. Yeah Yeah socal good couches mar a and then he does another one as well which is not a nation of visconti inner and Bowie recording low. I've seen Tony Visconti. Doing rather than people might think. Okay this is Tony Visconti producing darn came back choosing so that was move on. We then come onto the track. We've already mentioned which is yes. Asan and obviously Bowie living in Berlin Living Kreutzburg where there was a huge Turks population for a Turkish took having been made guy campaign. I made a pilgrimage to the flower. Really when we were. Yeah we stayed in this hotel just up the road when we when we played that some four last and so yeah. Garin made a pilgrimage out there. That's facebook profiles picture me and Gary outside that and this is the Yaron savvy the Great Bass player and I lived. There could really yeah three years. Do you never knew very little might needed. No that makes you not fucking notice when you went to the coffee shop. Which is just a shrine to Barry. Every shop has got is just Bowie. But you'd be thinking something bigger in two thousand and four. Just after the next day came out I was in I was on. I was in Berlin Until we Brian and Brian was cancelling shows left right and center that tool. So we and my then girlfriend now fiancee Georgia just flow now and the gate got cancelled but we were there and they couldn't cancel hotel or anything so we basically just had to pay city break in Berlin and so we had a thing of trying to go to everywhere mentioned in the lyrics. No way of warily traits. That's Yup went to. We went to card away and I'd never been scarred away and fucking food whole for someone who's thin is Bowie. It must be a nightmare and instead of how he was talking about going there with cocoa and treating themselves to caviar. Oysters Coming back and then IKI literally wiping the fridge out. And there'd be a big fight later on from food and again it's just unbelievable the fact that and the food is just a thing of beauty. Even it's it's insane it makes Harvey next look like Oh I missed that lose so much and that was the first part of on logic chats with Guy Pratt and we'll have much more. That came from very soon and in the meantime if you made it this ball thank you and. I really do hope you enjoyed it. Please don't forget to share and review this podcast if you did enjoy it and of course boys comments over. Its album to album on twitter or facebook. Feel like because it's really nice feedback enforce from everyone so do feel free so till next time. Stay well stay safe. Stay Sane and we'll be back very soon. Thanks bye now.

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"They wouldn't how big the building this'll salaam written now. People Failed Hoxha Moaning. Everybody is past show Yay yes. Today is a wonderful Wednesday. Hopefully you guys are having a wonderful Wednesday. I don't know about you but it's been a wacky Wednesday morning so so far for me me too. Wacky is not the best term to describe. What's been going on with me today but at the same time? That's the only w I can think of as an adjective my mom. I need to work on my my vocabulary skills on some ruinous. W though not not not then I feel like I'm gonNA break into like a Disney. Now you know what I mean. No one knows best wacky world wind a whirlwind of a Wednesday so far a whirlwind wins that works that works to take that. I'll take good adjective. You know what I'm saying and for your kids that don't know what an adjective it is. Just playing I'm not about to explain that. That's that's crazy. That's just crazy anyway. Hopefully you guys are having a wonderful Wednesday. I know it is a little gloomy in this part of the world in our neck of woods. Let us know what your neck of the woods looks like like right now on this Wednesday morning for a little gloomy but at the same time we're supposed to get nailed with some some weather over overnight overnight. Okay we're supposed to get nailed with some snow. And I'm GONNA say this. Where's this? Where's the snow? Where's the snow? Shot Chad. Like to know. Where is the snow? I want to ask you whether you've been. Where's the snow? Who ooh yeah? I'm just saying where's this. No I'm asking you whether you watch because I'm not sure we re posted snowline snowed on last night overnight. Everything I saw. No I even mentioned to. You guys yesterday wasn't supposed to start until like quote this time tomorrow which is around ten or eleven which is still. It's supposed to happen kind of pushing it back. You've been watching watching that facebook where they're having you know. The the news did say that they were supposed to be like. We're supposed to at least get some flurries and snow. We wake up to a little bit of snow and ice. I thought that it is okay. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong the way it's totally fine. They're always there. Oh they're wrong all the tell there on all the time you want to know some interesting to today's National Weather Person Day is it really just is how funny is that like. Hey you're about to get nailed with some snow. Okay get ready everybody. Schools getting cancelled and everything by the way right and then all of a sudden. Where's the snow? Where's the snow a year? I'm just wondering where it is this a little bit of person precipitation. That's a big word for me to say today recip- petition Asian precipitation. You know what I'm saying. It it made it. They made a hail up in this piece. You know they didn't make your rain though. No I'm just kidding Vermont Anyway. Hopefully you guys advocate fantastic and wonderful Wednesday. Apparently were still supposed to be getting some snow literally. According to our national weather person's people here in our region but of course you know we'll see we'll see maybe maybe look as we'll be. Yeah Right. Yeah and they said it's only going to be a total of inch and a half when it's all said and done humiliation. I said right what did you. That's what they just said to day on. The when I was listening drive off in reading stuff straight from the national weather service can go from literally as little as one to two inches. It could be as much as six inches. I'm GONNA rely on. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa believe him you know 'cause he he is kind of nerdy a little bit timing dirty believe him. This is just what I heard like I five minutes ago on. NPR coming here so who knows. Maybe there's maybe they're bad at reporting weather and fairness I will also defend every meteorologist out there. I I hate it when people say oh. They're wrong they're always wrong. They're always wrong. They're not they can't really literally say this is going to happen. This is GonNa they are not mother nature not saying things can always change. They're they're. They're doing their best to try to give you an idea of what could happen job. Yes things definitely most definitely happened it it is what it is. You know what I'm saying but we do have everybody in the room. Let's get into it real real quick we got Lucas. Says he's been doing all this talk. Well well he's putting up. Well actually imaginary glasses off the bridge of his nose as well indubitably technically it's not really a big word really happening. It has not occurred today. It's supposed to happen later. Shot your face anyway. How you doing Lucas was good? Good good Strangely arrangement people were driving a lot faster. Today I'll see them like I. I usually see some fast drivers here and there but there are a lot of like hundred mile an hour for some reason you WanNa know. So why do you WanNa know. Why do you WanNa know why why why because everybody thought that they were GonNa get smacked smack in the face with stone? That's what they thought so they walk up thinking. Oh I'M GONNA have a slow day today. You want to know why because it snowed and then they walk in. And then it's like where's the snow. I'm serious just like you know what I'm booking. Where's the snow way? There ain't nothing on the floor. Nothing but my my driveway was a little slick in my deck was a little slick. Okay maybe some ice on the ground now one hundred miles an nine out isis. No big deal just blazed down the road go with God gabby with your Salafi yes yes yes yes. Hey Good Morning William Good morning. This is William Bill from billons. Yona one about the region be sure to check them out the really really great. They got their show on Saturday mornings eight. Am they're amazing anyway. Let's move on because you're not gonNA say anything fantastic amazing us. It's going to the Hump Day. Is that time of year. We're forgetting David the week. It is because I really football and tall because Wednesdays when the first practice start for the week and then it's Thursday and Friday when the the injury report. Come out Monday this Monday. Night Football Tuesday. There's nothing windsurfing. So what are you watching now. Nothing start this week in. That's new. What Oh that's the thing you mentioned the Xfl you gotTa do start start? This guy on Megan isn't she hosting that or think she's on air on us. An in game Somebody you Komo from hot one of four I think she she's like one of the endgame hosts. Yeah yes she just got Megan still city. Yeah Yeah Yeah I yeah. Yeah some nineties rb. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's a good day day to day is home. We're on. We're getting over the Hump Anyway. We Got Lydia Caesar in the House. Hail Caesar Hey happy Wednesday to everybody how you doing. I'm doing. I'm doing really good today. It was a a whirlwind of starts. But I'm doing great. I'm excited because today I am releasing a music video at twelve twelve noon. Oh Okay Self Promotion. Okay I mean look. It's right on the radio. This is what my day is. She didn't bother to go. Hey by the way he's K.. To two I'm just wrong. This knowledge on some people doing this is how I'm just playing. I'm excited I don't care what is the name of the song by the way. It's called evidence. Evidence Evidence Evidence Evidence So in Other Words Aka receipts. I need basic and my right. Yeah I mean it's like basically if you say you love me I need evidence you've got to show me. I need proof but you go. I'll so the video out Saddam excited about and I'm excited about going going to the gym today you're GonNa put that incline all the way to fifteen way all the way to her. I'm inside. It's a muscle sweat today. The I don't know why I'm just like today's going to be good. Jim Day I love those kinds of things when you get just you have that mindset that that tunnel vision you like. I'm about to walk in right. I'm about to just crush this gym. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Make Nope Nope I'm GonNa make these weights sweats these weights craft where you know. What I'm saying? Dan I love it. Yeah I like that too. That's good motivation. Like you know what I'm feeling. Good today I want to go in there and just I'm GONNA walk my butt off. I'm GonNa inclined just not stop telling you is so low key now but still. I'm excited to do it. That's good we got. Oh we also got my boy my brothers back. I didn't know if he was going to be in here today. Jackie Buck deterred Jacqueline Guan a wild Wednesday wildwoods wildwoods. Thank you you you were listening on the way in word you always listen. Yeah I was like top Fan Dan I was like is it a wonderful is why all whirlwind right wild. That's wild is a good one. I think the weather is going to be talking about. Wow knife right or something like that and then a song. It's something like that. I don't know on on those every knows ever made. It's unfortunately I'M A. I'm an encyclopedia. Karaoke machine yes I kind of am yeah. It's it's a blessing housing in the curse their songs. I wish I did not know. Listen when when you're not around I'm the US so yes and your worst your way way better at that than me everybody gives I stink face like you know that's right it's like I don't know no it. Maybe he played one time in a bar was in time. Dang you Oh trank kilo relaxed man. Sorry Taco Tuesday was yesterday on his home day. Anyway you don't okay doing well. How the kids doing well? They were sad that they didn't call in yesterday after I told them to like. Oh well oh well. We just didn't think that Oh come on religion call in talk. I was so excited about that. Listen Colin disappointed. I was so heartbroken. Broken yeah was there's always there always is today. There's always tomorrow to we'll see what everybody there is. Always Tamun everyone to call us every yes every day all day everyday not every day all day just till noon just from nine to noon central standard time. Yes I'm glad about that that's it that's good how you doing. Thank you for asking how you doing really good. Today was a little bit of a rush. I don't know well actually. I expected snow on the ground so I was kind of. I was kind and I'm going okay. The I'm sure it's going to be really bad when when I look through the windows and I didn't see anything so I was like. Oh Wow okay time to get going and then I was getting a bunch of stuff together. You know my mornings are usually just madness trying to get ready for the show getting everything prepared for pro WPRO prepared. I don't know why just stuttered like that but I did But yes I'm just happy to be here. I'm happy this thing out when I'm really happy about as well so we do have a very special guest coming in. He is actually his company. Called Kwame may building group is the group that is the company that is overlooking building out the soccer stadium. That's about to becoming out here in the next couple of years. Some very very excited about sitting down with Tony Thompson of kwami building group is going to be in the House today that year man I love it. I'm so excited because I've known this man for a long time and the fact that he is going to be the project manager overseeing the build out of something so huge for the city. I am just so hype about this and I mean I'm hype about him being on him and being on the show but I'm hype about soccer being here in Saint Louis. Uh Yes. That's going to be huge. Hey football yeah football as well. We're all you for all European people all right or if you're anything like like Lucas. Technically they call it then. Yes I'm excited for you guys to okay but I call it soccer for now. What do they call it? In Haiti Soccer Caulker. Go Pro. You in all my Haitian brothers and sisters out there you know. I grew up on soccer and I know a lot of my Haitian brothers and sisters out. There grew up on soccer as well so very excited added about soccer. Come into Saint Louis Major League Soka. I don't even know why either it's pretty good though God you're talking about smoker Edwin team. Yes I know I'm done with you to done with that base anyway. WE'RE GONNA go to a quick commercial break. We'll be back with let's talk. This is the Pascal show back that this is real from real Saint Louis streaming live are real talk. WGN YOU DOT com S.. Welcome back. It's the Pascal show. Show yes let's get into it. It's time to get into some stuff that's going on in the world is a lot of stuff that's going on man but you know something what happened yesterday. So it's tough for. Let's talk now. You've got to be in cookies case all right president trump just had his state of the Union address last night which was for a lot of people that are pro-trump. It was very epic. Let's just say that. I think his speech lasted so long. Because does he literally said maybe three words and there was a round of applause or standing ovation every three words. It was pretty crazy. which will of course? We'll talk about that in a little a little bit but the main thing. The main thing that happened was right at the end of his speech right when he wrapped up everything. God bless America. The whole nine everyone on stands up to applaud the president of this free world while that's happening behind him speaker of the House. Yes Nancy Pelosi stands up takes his entire speech that she has a copy of and starts ripping it apart literally tearing it apart right behind him as everyone else's applauding my question to you guys as this regardless if you are a pro trump or anti-trump supporter. Do you think what she did was okay. Did you think it was cool or did you think that was a little bit uncouth. Which means uh-huh not so cool all right so I'm going to throw it around the room but of course common down below let us know what you think and of course you can give us a call at three one? Four four eight eight zero zero eight zero eight drop a dime. Give us a call and let us know what you think on this. Do you think Nancy Pelosi's move was okay or not okay. I'm going to go around the room of throwing over to Jack Buck Jackie but the turn what do you take mine so I saw that video I didn't see it live but I did see you like And I guess it's symbolic for the Democratic Party right before ripping up his speech especially if she thinks that everything that he was saying was filled with incorrect statements Is there a law that they have to keep. It are half of those being thrown in the trash can anyway or is this something that like. You think that everyone. That's there it gets a copy. Saves that copy forever because it's up the official copy. It's his third copy. It's just a copy. Yeah I mean don't you think half does he walked walked out of room probably threw it away or she was gonNA throw away anyway. Oh yeah most definitely but it's just more it's more about the symbolic behind ripping up right behind him. Symbolically right right. That's the that's the thing I don't know if you made your action who's got the source has got a dictionary somebody body anyway the symbolic action. Yes was there. I think that it's a good political move But in general I don't think I don't. I don't think it matters does it. I mean I think I'm not GonNa say what I think but not right now. Obviously but I can see your point. Regards to throwing it out throwing into the trash right right shredding it and we're shredding it up. You know what I mean. That's what they all do most Michael or selling it on ebay anymore and smart is that even is that respectful folk. No no no. Obviously you're just trying to get you know you just trying to get on trying to secure the back real quick not in cool okay. Well that's your two cents right. It was actually said she should have sold that thing for like a charity. Auction should have done it in on camera kept implant for a charity auction Interesting you know. That's a that's okay. Because he knows someone be like paying some big money right some of the thing about some of the thing about okay okay. Because that's your thought thought video. What do you think I loved it? But and here's why a lot of people thought. It was disrespectful Matt. It's you know we should be above that. But I honestly feel like the president of the United States sets the tone for how things are in the country took the words right on my my mouth and he is. He's childish President who'll stand on will mock Somebody who is mentally I don't know what's the proper word to use for this year. When he mocked that reporter? who was like Special needs immature. Yes immature he mocked that person he he. He talked about a man who passed away and acted like he was in hell the stuff that Donald Trump does when he has the MIC is absurd. Some of the stuff is childish and like you said immature so for everyone who was saying all. That was disrespectful. She shouldn't have done that. The president has already set the pace of how things things are. So like Jack says at the end of the day was probably going to trash Anyway she's probably tied listening to whatever he said for all that time she was like. Okay let me make. It's a small enough to fit into the trash bin by rubbing it up and let me let everybody else see as well And I'm not mad at the symbolism. We're in it's it's the political season election is coming up this year. Politics is all a game once you realize this. I don't think things like that become soak soak to so many ruffled feathers. People really mad about it and I'm like relax. President the President is Donald Trump. He's the Reality Star lineup. Those are those are my thoughts. Wow Okay Lucas in the booth. What you think this is why I really don't follow politics? This is the whole thing's just a clown show like everything everything about it. I mean everything. Just simple I don't know how to put this two words like when I saw this I just lost my mind because because no matter what happens it always divides more people everything that happens when all this gets put under the microscope people will take one side to the other people were taking anti anti Bluesy side. People were taken Donald Trump side. Yada Yada everything about it. It's just a total clown. Show I I hate seeing everything about politics. I mean there's no professionalism professionalism anymore there's none. Everything's just funding gains. It's all childish like things you'd see you like between brother sister best friends when you're in like middle school or something It's sad it is really sad very sad and you know what I like. What Lydia said is is very very true and what you're saying right now true? It's it's an immature un-diplomatic diplomatic clown show. But this is you gotta remember. This is the person this is also the same person. Does the same vibe that this guy's exuding suiting every single day I mean it's a clown show it is He is un-diplomatic as all. Get out maybe he is. Maybe maybe he's doing good things for the country. Maybe he sang a lot of stuff. And what's funny is what hold up. What what's funny to me is what he was saying? Threw out the thing while he's doing his speech. If you just watch Nancy Pelosi in the background. She's rolling her eyes. She's just like because he's sitting there saying all this stuff and and of course you're going well. How much of that is true? How much of those facts are actually true? So that I'm going okay. I'm to me I'm going fact. Checkers please tell me if he's saying if these things are actually true so but the other thing is is then you see the house right the the the room the everybody is is split up which is funny because when you see how many people who are standing up and doing they're standing ovation clapping form half the room standing banding. The other half is sitting there arms folded just angry so I mean but it's the it's the vibe is. The world is the the energy that he is bringing out into this into this whole thing. He's not very diplomatic person to begin with. So of course you're going to have people who do big gestures like ripping up. Actually that's funny how ripping up a speech is considered a big gesture of a middle finger to type of thing but it's politics it's boring. There's nothing nothing going on. It's like watching golfing. Somebody scratching their crotch live on camera. That's a big gesture. You know what I mean. So it's like you see this and it's kind of like all right. She he ripped up the script or she ripped up the speech clearly to say something to him. You know she did. She knew what she was doing. And what's funny is everybody. WHO's it's been all the all the all the press all of media has been basically saying that wasn't scripted that was not a scripted move obviously wasn't a scripted? It didn't move. She was doing that to say. You know you know Middle Finger to you man as it. You know what I'm saying so here it is. I don't think okay so I'm on the fence about it all right. I don't think it was very in her nature to do something like that. I I would say like in regards to what she does in in the in the platform and on the in the job that she has the title that she has i. Don't I think that was something that she should have done. But I do love it but I don't think she needed to do that. Her everything else that she's been doing which is mm-hmm. The impeachment trials the whole nine is clearly letting everybody know how she truly feels about trump her ripping up that speech. It doesn't do anything except turn into a top page story that everybody is going to be talking about which we are talking about right now. You know what I mean so in my personal opinion I love it. I really love it. But what is that GonNa do for him. What is it going to go why you got no other choice? Chris what are you GonNa do stuck with me. You're stuck with me and you know what's going on. Do you know what's funny to think about this. That had ever happened to in our last president. No never know. But that's the thing that's because Hebrews in a certain type of energy of Class Heller factionalism shoot shoot man. I mean he's a great speaker the whole night. You have that thing. The thing set up real quick. This was literally like this was trump during his speech. You ready hold up. I drink water. Aw I breathe air I you have small hands this all. He did libby entire time like he only only have a few words in the entire thing if you put all the applause together. I'm sure that's half hour right. Did you like I. I didn't see it all but I saw a clip clip of him when he was I just randomly naming people at the end he was just naming like Like Thomas Jefferson and the land of Shirley Chisholm. His them forgot land of like. What are you talking about? He brought in Tuscon. Last surviving. Tuskegee to Tuskegee airmen. He brought in in rush. Limbaugh rush. LIMBAUGH got a a war in award the medal of honor. And here's something like that. And he was just like what and of of course. I would've been like what that's I only talk on the radio. But he's a huge supporter of trump. so He of course he's going to go and he just announced the fact that he's diagnosed with lung cancer so of course he's probably like trump's like hey I'm going to give you the best honor I could give you right now. Because you've been you've been pro-trump all day long you've been on my team you've been ride or die You been my bottom beat since day. One son you've been a one from day one so I don't know but that's just my personal opinion. It regards to that whole situation. I don't think she needed to do that. It was Gangsta. I I loved it but I don't think it's going to help anything in her cause and of course I don't think that's going to make her look good with Congress. Obviously there were some tweets that came out as well talking about. I heard ripping up the pages and all that and of course it was the same thing they were just kind of like. What's the point? Why did you need to do that? Was it was very UN American of you type thing right. So do you know that. The White House responded back like put a statement out about it. Wow on facebook you follow the White House on facebook. Uh I don't know it's the most propaganda e that I've seen before because it was kind of newer right so it wasn't you. It was used for like official statements and a few different things. But now there's constantly like basically trump's tweet. The style is starting to leak into facebook so but like he responds back to the things and stuff like that but The White House said Speaker Pelosi just ripped up the story of Tuskegee airman. A child receiving the opportunity to go this. Yeah the survival of a child born at twenty one weeks. The morning families Iraqi Jones and Kayla Mueller servicemembers reunion with his family. That's legacy debt. You want to know something about that yet. No no no no hold up. Hold up in her defense. She's not ridden up the she's not ripping them up. She's not ripping them right. She's this is them. This is those those people trying to turn it around the try to stir the pot to make her look bad when all she's sitting there going is. This is a speech filled with lies. Outside of everything else outside of the Tuskegee airman to outside of the honoring any person that's been reunited into feels so good type of situations because there was a soldier that was reunited with his family family. Right then and there like it literally turned into like an Oprah show right like it was like you know what I'm saying like every everybody was like I'm bringing people together. We're doing all this great stuff I'm wanted lie to you about a whole bunch of stats. I'm doing great things for the black community. He even had a black girl how much they paid. You come on girl going. Get your meal which is so messed up. And then you know she was just ripping up this like look at the circus that he's he's created look at this reality show that he's created right. You know what I'm saying. Man He was trying to make really great TV. She helped him he did. She was gotta do after two hours. The most talked-about thing is her two seconds at the end. I'm just saying man. But that's my personal opinion like I said I love that. She did it but I don't. It's only gonNA shooter. She's only shooting yourself in the foot by doing something like that. So that's kind of what I think on that personally selected. I don't know definitely calmed down below. Let us know what you think. Or if you're watching on our if you're watching. Our facebook page calmed down below if you're watching the youtube channel. Youtube Dot com slash the Pascal show. Don't come down below. Let us know what you think on that as well or give us a call at three one. Four eight eight zero zero eight eight zero eight. Let me know what you think I would love to know. What do you think are right? was that move okay or was it not okay. Common down below. We do have some comments though. Let me find this real quick. I want to hear what the people deserve. Oh this is so long all right one JEFF NATION SAYS JEFF nation says very cool. So he was he was totally in support of it. All right My my brother Ben. Jones says I think fueled trump's staunch supporters and validated their opinions that only reason Dem's are going after. Trump is because of a personal vendetta and not the actual reason of breaking the law. All right so then he said We even have. Republican can senators admitting that trump did what what he's accused of but don't feel he should be removed for breaking the law instead compl- amp instead of amplifying that statement to his core. What to an amplifying that statement statement who is core to emphasize that what was done was illegal instead of she instead she just gave them something else to focus on and double down on their previous? Vs Notion that the libs have have it helped for trump basically what we just said which is a which I completely agree. Sorry I'm reading the heck out of this and the people comment and all one big run on sentence so anyway so yeah I mean I agree. I don't know that's why I mean by feeling like she is shooting yourself in the foot and giving the Democrats not the greatest look. I love that she did it but at the same time I think she needs to look at the bigger picture personally. There is a impeachment trial going on. Still we all know how you feel about how we all all know how you feel clearly but there needs to be like we leave it on the court like you need to leave that situation over there yes as you might go ahead and roll your eyes all you want you can do whatever you want behind his back. But I think ripping up the speech was a little bit much just a little bit like like I said I still loved it though. That's why I'm so. I'm so torn because I'm happy unintended. I'm so torn but I I'm I'm kind of in between between you know I'm because obviously I'm clearly not a supporter of trump at all. But I also don't want somebody who's in the house shoot themselves in the afoot so that causes them to lose anything you see what I'm saying. Yeah any type of merit any type of credibility the whole nine so anyway calmed down below. Hello let us know what you think. We gotta go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal show by A. We're keeping a real all day on nine twenty. Am and one one oh six point nine. FM This is real talk. WGN You swap. A bag is the Pascal show would anyway. Let's get into it. You know that's some crazy stuff that's going on man. Yeah Man I like it too. Okay Yeah I was GonNa say we got some feedback bad going on you know saying Whoa. Anyway let's get into a man you know the other thing I forgot to say in. There's there's another mhm comment underneath during our what our. Let's talk segment. Dan said he district with the handshake and it was deemed hilarious. She pulled this stunt and it was deemed childish anyways. y'All think they the let me by a Koala with my taxes. I'm done I'm done Dan. He's a funny dude he's funny is but that's that's what it is. I forgot to say in the very beginning of the. Let's talk. He did walk up and she stuck her hand out to shake his hand rights and he just walked right on by he just walked on. I'm saying and this happened. I the handshake handshake happen. I will then the president of the United States search for the president trump and then president. Dj Trump wicked wicked and he walks out. What's up Yo was good? And she stuck her hand out as he's walking up and he just walked right by her. So that's the answer guy inst- It was a call and response. That's what he literally was ripping. It was a direct. I think a direct response to that. Oh yeah he basically got angry. Of course he's he's shaded her you in the beginning shade aide me and say to him as you shade more. Yes she was like. Oh I'm butter RIPTA. Hail out of your in your speech literally. Yup that's what that's what he gets. It makes perfect sense. Yeah this is more what I was saying about the clown show. This is my thing I'm trying to say like regardless so how you feel about trump whether you like him hate him love him whatever you think. This country has never been more divided. Since he's been president. Think about that. Ed is true. I mean you take you take away off. Its office whether you like what he's doing it or not I mean then you just think about what he's doing outside of that and how imp- non-professional he's been he's been and how everyone else's responding to that all. The leaders of the country are adding acting like him now not acting like him kind of Kinda give them a taste of his own medicine. I would say yeah give it him. He brings out the worst in people. I I hate to say that but it's the truth like every like everything you're saying. I hate being on social media. I hate like led. The conversations are no longer like like I used to be like okay. We can disagree on politics but we can still be cool and in five minutes were over it. People hate each other now. Politics hate like you can't be around me if you believe this an or whatever the word is it's never been so so bad this is the this is actually the world that we live in right now. I mean come on easy. Just think about it. Think about Yo he comes as in. We had somebody before that that was bringing the world together bringing the world together and now we have somebody in office. Now that's tearing it apart right and everything that he built everything that might forever. President did is now being demolished destroyed and then also the look on in her face when he said that he was going to do everything he could to remove obamacare. The look on her face was priceless. Heist Rice and you could tell that. She's just angry like everything that everything that Obama ever built and I'm not sitting here saying that he was the perfect president he wasn't is it. What president was perfect but he did a lot of things not only just not only just bring the country together but just for the country to and I don't know it's just? It is sad that we have somebody in office that man. But you know what I'm saying like I WANNA give I wanna give Pisa Lisa chance. You know what I'm saying. Like really do. But he doesn't do what he needs to do to make us feel safe to unite us to make us feel safe right right. You're right absolutely it's messed up man to go the next thing you know. We got Kanye West as President Lord on you feel safe. Connie I feel very safe does. And that's scary and here it is. There's nothing wrong. I'm going to say this out loud. Because I want people to know this to to all my black Republicans out out there right to all my gay Republicans out there is is okay to be a Republican and be a minority. I'm not sitting here saying that. So you have to be this is not a birthright. You make your own choice if you want to be a Republican go hit and be Republican but that is not my lane. That's not what I like and that's not what I stand for. You know what I'm saying. So teach their own right. We need to be able to respectfully disagree. Yes but oh you're you're you're you're not that serious that we don't agree less just still respect and love each other but it was. What's really upsetting to me? Is that it is. I'm hold my hands like this Lincoln Oil Mafele Americans. Now what's frustrating to me is. We can't bring like I. I know a lot of. I have a lot of Republican friends to right of all races and creeds right. Now what's very frustrating to me. Is that as soon as you go into a political conversation it gets very volatile like like that. It's two seconds. You're there than it turns on a dime all of a sudden. It's instead of going. Oh yeah the Super Bowl game game was amazing man. Do you see that thing with trump all of a sudden like Ryanair like they're ready to buy your face off like whoa man to drink kilo baby like it's all good. Why are you getting so mad? I'm just having a conversation with you about something. We can have a conversation. It doesn't have to be a fight. Why must it be a fight crazy you know anyway? People get offended really easily very especially something that they have no control over over right. They don't have control over the president that's why they're angry. You know what I'm saying. Yeah well that too. That is very true but you know it's like this president. This is this this. He's amazing or he's the worst ever whatever. It is whatever they think. And you're sitting there going okay. Well why why is he not so great or why is he so amazing. Tell me why he told me he's. Where's Gimme facts Jack? I didn't mean you Jack but just give me facts Jimmy the fat so so I want to know right you know. We end the conversation and have some pizza and beyond with are still. Enjoy the Strip club. Money cinnamon you know what I mean. We could still throwing money on the girl on the poll. It's all good. We're still enjoying our time right. You know what I'm saying. Why did I put in a strip club? I don't know why but anyway we just enjoy take time. It's a theme. What is the theme lately? Yeah like the Super Bowl had it. They brought the Strip club to with the man. That's America if that's not America I don't know what is Beautiful Beautiful Buti. I mean I mean it's it's J.. Lo Yo. Even that divided America that people were paying off the people really got into facebook. Fight over the half time. Did you see the maimed named him. Did you see the me. What do you see them? Meam of Adam. What's his face? The Vine Adam Devine Adam. Adam Levine. Why am I saying divine divine is from? He's comedian guy. Adam Adam Levine. Adam Levine. You all you're supposed to be helping me. You're not hurting me. Say The guy from five guy the lead singer for Maroon. Five Adam Levine. Okay they have a picture of him shirtless and there's literally girls grabbing his crotch. Yeah right and then they have a photo of the to the secure on Jaylo and they're saying MOMS in twenty one thousand nine hundred with a fire Emoji goes over. Over Adam Levine and then moms in two thousand twenty with two women with J. Lo and secure under like oh it was just to sexualize. These women to sexualize actualized yet. He was shirtless tattoos ablaze and getting his dangling getting his rub down. You know what I'm saying shirtless sweaty Eddie and we got a problem with it now yet. funding a good. A good on kids probably see worse honestly worse but like lease less close at a beach word. No but you're right that is very true and Jaylo wasn't even though. The poll was present. She wasn't like making a booty clap or she was literally like you can see what she did at a circus show. There is a very very technical and very pc term term instead of saying Budi cloud just you could just say twerk sorry twin. Just kidding wasn't she was. It was it was tasteful and and like I said you go to Cirque du Soleil they have polls in their dancing on them. They're using them the same way so it was to me. The poll uses what people's minds can't get around the concept concept of opole being on the stage and that's crazy I wanna I wanna find that mean because that is and I love it I will share. Oh Oh you know what Jack. Look it up really quick. We'll share that because of the word and and it pisses me off. That women are so upset. I saw a funny mean to that. Said if if your wife was mad at that Super Bowl from performance she probably don't do that thing you go were Oh snap. That's beautiful house so I was like word. Chill out ladies man. How can we be the ones so mad right at female expression Shen female expression like what's wrong with the way way way so so in other words so in other words if I go to a strip club I'm just going? Hey I'm just helping. I'm I'm funding these wonderful women to continue to express themselves i. I don't have a problem with strip clubs so I would say yes but but secondly I don't think that that performance formation's was comparable to a strip in the ship up there naked. Women had clothes on. They did have clothes on a clothes. I mean it was definitely definitely some shaking shakes out by the way there were no cheeks relief or nervous. Remember remember they see more four kids see more at the beach than what they saw. Bill Gate Right. Do you remember. Do you remember when her neighbor came Outta OUGHTA supposedly there wasn't like a female performers since after that for like ten years. When you look at it I saw somebody make a state like music through through? Maybe we can fat check that. We need to check. But I heard that after Jenny. Where where's where's where's team Beige over here? We'll actually it was only six years Yes Oh it just went away. It did it was something he was something you just looked at it and it was like oh I got scared of her face. Oh my God I know I love you. You know I love and I do remember all that crotch grabbing. Yeah let it all happen. He was a standard like like magic. Mike Mike just boom boom boom like he's letting go Mike Okay Buddy Maroon five so many hits that was a great super bowl really nice I. Everyone says it was really more. Let me see that a really quick. Can we put that on the facebook page. Look at we need to put that on the facebook find. Yeah I know you will have a Hey Hey hey drink kilo with you turn back. Let's those hormones. The hormone is the baby hormones. The baby's talking right now. Anyway we gotta go to a quick commercial break. We'll be right back as the Pascal show. We got some entertainment news coming up stick around a little bit of Yo you're on. Wgn You nine twenty am and one zero six point nine FM real talk for real saint. Louis Hey welcome. Welcome back to the Pascal. Show yes welcome. Welcome back we got so much for tuning in. If you didn't already know we do have a podcast. After this show every show that we have is turned into. A podcast is is on live as soon as this show. All of our shows are over. You can go to our spotify and check it out or you can go to itunes to the apple podcasts over there and you can type in the Pascal show and enjoy and consume all of the craziness that happens right here on this show anyway. It's time to go into entertainment news. You know there's some things are going on the world and then some aside from Nancy Pelosi tearing things up you know what I'm saying. And actually she wasn't tearing up a bowl of Spaghetti she was tearing up a speech. Alright y'all but anyway what's going on in the world. Lydia Caesar user what is going on Y'all list send so you boy Bieber is back in the headlines and He He is discussing in his documentary that he released on his own. He released it via Youtube. It is called seasons if you are a Justin Bieber fan and you should check that out but he really are starting to talk about some serious things and he talks about how a lot of his fans in the world didn't know actually how serious his drug abuse had become during our important. Yes Drug Abuse Lug abuse. He said that his security guards would check one him in the night to make sure that his that he had a pulse that he was breathing. Wow so how bad it was. He was living Keith Richards. Wow I guess yes. She was living that he was living that crazy. I think about like these artists. Why are they all drugs? No kidding I don't know how they all get on drugs. That's the thing I don't know why they think that and I think it's also have two different thoughts in my head but I think that there's a a part of it has to do with like they think that it's a right of passage like it's almost like you can't be an artist without being doing some type of drug mhm send you know to do to transcend to be genius to be a genius to be a creative genius. You must be consuming as much is much cocaine and as much drugs as you possibly can. Because that's going to open your mind and in allow you to do more and have more of a life experience and it's like no. It's not is now you can still be sober. You can still be clean in right and create really great art. So and if that's the case man is always urban. There's always gone. Yeah if you open up exactly and that comes from the ground just puff puff pass Dane. Leave the hard stuff alone. We are seeing more and more of how how really detrimental it's becoming. They're dying literally died. I'm poppin pills hot. They're popping they're dying from popping pills now is not from sticking a needle in your veins anymore. Now you just pop pills and you die. You know what I'm saying. It's scary and and you know the juicy world right boom right to see sorry juice world. I meant juice world juicy juicy world. Whatever I'm not trying to? We're not laughing at him at all. That was hilarious. But nobody right like that the fact that he and how he died supposedly he took the pills To avoid police finding them. It's just it's just a series of bad choices at such a young age and we've all made dumb choices at you. Know Twenty any and twenty one and twenty two but man most of us are able to live through those choices and learn really sad when those choices become the end view and it's all all in the music and it's scary because a lot of the kids today listen to it and then they wanna they wanna pop bills to them and they. They're during their parents cabinets. Getting their you know their dentist medication. When the the you know to give you those opioids for pain Ain and the kids are crazy? And it's it's sad. It's messed up scary. But so he has he has a documentary is like a documentary under series right. There's a series on youtube called season so check it out interest. I think it's really great. When artists like him who make it through Demi Lovato when they speak up and speak speak out and when they move past? I think that's awesome. I'm like every time I'm I'm really happy because it could have gone the other way they could. We could have been morning them so I think it's good that he's speaking out about this and at this point that's why he found Christ to. I'm telling you well you know what first of all Justin Bieber has always been from. When he was little and singing on youtube a Christian family he kind of fell from grace no pun intended? Yes literally 'cause he was always growing up he was a Christian and his mom was always talking about it and he will talk about it too when he was young and on Youtube but he blew up. I mean the kind of fame Justin Bieber attained and how fast It a mess. Anybody up would that mean. He's shot up there so fast and so he got he got lost in the sauce. Somebody can money loss of the sauce. I mean more than lost in the sauce. I mean he was he was starting to do some. You started using crazy stuff so so he's come back and I'm I'm happy for them. It's interesting how there are more and more documentary series type things coming out because I'm also doing a what the the hell designers watch review on another iconic figure which we'll talk about here in a little bit but I just think it's very interesting that documentaries the these documentaries are coming out and Kevin Hart art now. Justin Bieber is kind of turning into a thing which is very interesting so now I'm interested to check it out with all with all due respect. I think he's talented. aalto kid or at least I think he I think he has talent where he's putting it. I don't think his talent is where it needs to be but at the same what about you know. Thank thank you okay. I was going to get really nervous there on my you know sh no things. We're going to talk about this in a second. Okay Okay what is wrong with you hang good. It Ain't slit list deep dive into the psyche of Lydia seizure but why why okay. Okay so anyway I I think he's I think he's a talented kid. I think he has a lot of a lot of potential but I just think he just. There's a lot that's gone on with him that I don't know I'm interested seat. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go check it out. What else is going on? So fifty cents manages to stay in the news but you know now man okay so this is a crazy to me. This is. This story is just crazy so you know. Are you all familiar with Kierra Marie. Yeah of course okay. She was signed to Jay Z. Like a long time ago. She's longtime ago rate singer now. She's a reality star. I'm loving hip hop. which is kind of what happened? So she is she is. I didn't know Oh that for a lot of those. I don't either whatever's watch them either but I know she's been like on a few season. Okay so what's going on. So here's the story. She sued fifty cent a while back because he shared a nude photo of her however the nude photo was originally originally shared by her boyfriend. Ottomar Abdul Okay. He shared it first and the so. The photo was all over the Internet. oxo Bar yes Abdul Fifty. We sent because he's childish because he's fifty cents is he's a role seriously atro- Hebron he likes it on the love and he's also he shared he re shared this photo and you know he has a big platform so she sued him for for for sharing her a photograph. What fifty six has a great lawyer and she she hired Lisa Bloomfield? You know she's Yeah She's Bloomfield's she's like a big lawyer for like celebrity scandal handle so I guess she thought she was GonNa win this case but fifty cents. You know his money long so he got a good lawyer and they argued. This picture was already out there. All over the web's fifty cent didn't do any more damage than was already done. And he won the case setup leaving alone T- countersued her. Of course he did a thirty thousand dollars for his legal thirty thousand dollars for his legal fees. Anyone and of course he did so she just has got she. They just said that she has to start. Like initial thing is that she has to pay five thousand dollars in sanctions and then but she hasn't. She's been refusing to pay this thirty thousand in claiming that she's broke right no better because she's on love and hip hop for a few seasons now and he knows that she's not like a low level eleven hip hop partisan. He knows she's made at least one hundred thousand dollars off that show alone so they're requesting for her tax documents L.. I feel for this girl proves she she she. She attacked the wrong. Do No bad on we really elver ever happened between me. Fifty Cent I. I'd be very honored but second made it was like Bob. Will we be reading it but second I would never try to sue him at all because he is. He's like a black trump. Yeah he is. You know what I'm saying he's like Oh you're gonna you try to mess with me. I'm GonNa mess with you harder and that's about it. I don't mess with that. And the reason I feel so deeply I because the how it all started he shared her a new photo. She got every right to be said she got every right to was out. There you were. Would you share my newton minute this and but but now it's all backfiring on and I. That's what she gets. Yo what up. What's good be sure to check him out now? He's got his evening afternoon drive at five. Check him out and of course was Nolan was good man. Thank you so much for tuning in like I was saying tune into our show our facebook feed facebook dot com slash the Pascal show and Youtube Dot com the force last Pascal. Show all right keep the comments going and all that stuff. Thank you so much for showing the love love what else is going on in this world. Hey so in the little actually. Let's go I'M GONNA go with one. One more like fluff piece and then we'll go heavy. Shell Meghan stallion. How does she do now shit? Well you know she's known for like being all over the place when it comes to men in the industry they kind of call her like the the industry pass around which I think is not fair. I think there's not big the stallion. Yeah because she. She's ruined with with a lot. The different died. Well now. She's a rumor to be with. Jesus there's plenty that basically the industries. Tommy yes so did you see the video. I have not seen the video. Okay so there's that yes that's why the why the Geez rumors have even happened is because there's a video that she posted on her instagram. I think in her story. And they're laying down and like her legs are like wrapped around him like kind of like a print sold and he is literally like eating her face. Like I mean just her and she's Latina I'm telling you because she's you know she's she is is high flush great. She looks of made it. Looks great for you stupid. Like twenty five. No no I'm display's fantastic and he's like all on her little cheek and Lil. She's cracking up right and so she and I honestly hot girl Meg. y'All should know this. Why now she does this on purpose? y'All she wants to talk and Y'all be doing it because the interwebs have gone crazy. It works it works and so she has put out. She has issued a statement. Chill out. y'All I'm not bleeping. What he just liked how that taste? Okay so she clearly lying his sake to clearly library she clearly line. She's definitely. He's he's dupe. I mean you have to see the video. The video is Um So sexy I was like this. is they gotta be doing no. They're doing if they're not doing it. What the heck was that video about? It looked like the beginnings of everything everything they do that funky dope you know man. Oh Oh man you know what I'm saying where they definitely do the dumping come on now at jungle they ate they are not they are not not just doing that for music. Video right maybe beginning. Maybe was maybe if she shows up in a video with that then maybe maybe it was just like not are now. That's a lie. That's the consensus of the web. The web is also saying that's a lie. Well she's obviously trying to save face because here it is any any black woman that has ever dated outside of her race has always seemed to get a lot of backlash for dating outside of her race. I wouldn't be surprised. Oh I don't know but I'm just as as of recently Wi. With the whole situation the Serena of the whole situation with the Queen and slim actress. She's married to what's his name. Heathy Pacey from from Dawson's creek not a great looking couple but at the same time they're gained backlash from Dayton outside the race. But you know what I'm saying so I could see her going on. No no no no no no no no no. Don't think that I'm dating this guy because I'm not that we've been bombing ugly 'cause title 'cause we ain't but you know for a fact nobody has to know right you know for a fact bumping ugly and also see her just it just being that because she's single and environmentally and little girl monitored Google League. Right how I feel about it is if you are if you are single and if you are honest sleep what will you WANNA sleep with. Yeah for real. Like as long as you're not cheating longchamps keeping secrets against somebody who thinks that you know you faithful to them. If you out here just just living your wild free rich super famous life. Yeah go ahead system and do what you WANNA do. Yeah Yeah give me the like whatever you WANNA do. We don't care you don't care what you're doing in the in the dark right as long as you're not hurting nobody Eddie judgy regardless yeah. Exactly it'll be it'll be the the the the we've you got the shoes you wear whatever it is going to jump or just the fact that you're breathing on this planet landed what you WanNa do girl make a living her message shoot. Come on. It's easy hopefully. They'll catch anything. Ah So sorry so sorry. Real quick one last thing. What's going lasting? This is a little bit more. Have a heavy new piece. But so actress Shannen Doherty. I'm known from her legendary Roland. Donald tour no has just announced yesterday on Good Morning America. She announced that she has stage. Four war breast cancer hurricanes are has learned. She was diagnosed. I in two thousand fifteen. It went into remission and she's been in remission for three years but she she just found out that she has stage four breast cancer and she has issued a statement issued a statement on the show. She said that that she hasn't even really processed it yet that it's a very bitter pill for her to swallow. Yeah that's really. Oh I'm sorry to hear that. This cancer thing is with Dickie. It's coming to get is coming to get everybody. Yeah and stage four is the what is no joke. I'm just praying and hoping the best that she'll beat it but I've seen people bounceback I have I'm gonNA keep it straight funky with you. I've seen people bounce back even from stage four so and honestly breast cancer. I'm not gonNA say a light. It's all bad but it's all it's all terrible but there are I feel like I've I know personally. Plenty breast cancer survivors. More of those versus like other kinds of cancer I feel like they kind of have figured out a method on how to handle it right. I mean but you know. 'cause isn't it. Hasn't this returned. Yeah Okay it's been in remission for three years right. It's been remission for three years it has returned but the thing hanging is is that on on something on a positive I'll say at least it hasn't spread is a spread to other places so there is some hope. There's some hope there is definitely some hope also so real quick. I'd because we do have to go into a quick commercial break but I do want to say something else on another Downer. Unfortunately but today marks who actually today is Trayvon Martin's twenty fifth birthday. He would have been twenty five years old today if that whole situation in with forget Glenn Zimmerman I think George Zimmerman. Oh thank you. We'll swoop. Sorry George Clemen Liberman Zimmerman just match other NATO together in all seriousness. Of course it's it's upsetting it's really really upsetting. And of course our thoughts and prayers and of course we always want to give him just a a big happy birthday birthday and may he rest in heaven. Trayvon Martin would have been twenty five years old today all right happy birthday brother but anyway we gotta go into a quick commercial break. Is the Pascal show. She has a minute back. This is real talk from Real Saint Louis streaming live are real talk. WGN YOU DOT com. Yes welcome welcome back back at it again. y'All yes you're listening to the Pascal show and of course all of Youtube and facebook in Internet's the Internet's are losing their minds right now Lord. I don't know what's going on man but you so just be patient with us. We apologize I don't know maybe it's this this Phantom storm that's apparently supposed to be coming through a pair. Allegedly they just listened. Parents stay tuned. Pay attention to your phones. Pay attention to you. I know those the do school district has just called for early release day. So that's a half day for all of your little kitties and I'm sure that other districts will be following suit. Yes so out there listening. Yeah let's see like I said like I said I have no problem saying when I'm wrong. You know like when I just messed up the name. The the shooter's his name to somebody. We know right to somebody to do something someone locally we all know and God forbid I would never do that again. That was a mistake right but I was wrong. See so if it snows at all in this general region I will say I was wrong. I have no problem saying I was wrong but again. Where's the snow? Where's the snow? Where's the Damn Snow Snow is? It's nowhere no air. Where's the snow? No okay nobody nobody just wait for somebody to say what's going to be somewhere. They'll two kids at home. You Know Jack is going to be that that doofus to sit there and send me a a text a little bit later. It's their right. He's going can answer your question. I wonder where the snow is just right there. Well there there she blows third is. There's no what are you looking for a new another another. Oh a broke broke a headphone Jack. Jack Always Jack you broke your headphones. Owns a troublemaker. Say a headphones. No I'm about to buy a headphone a pair of a set of you. Know what I'm saying. How a pair a pair Eh said Said you can't you can't even say here it is you? Oh you really did break his day but you have you ever thought about that. You can't even say I'M GONNA I'm GonNa buy an underwear. No you gotta go. I gotta buy a pair of underwear or some hair. Why why is it a pair do not buying to to lag? You're not wearing new home. Got To you got to hold you know they. You don't say it just doesn't make no sense interesting. Hey welcome because you can say. I'm by shirt because the word underwear. There's not there's not a word underwears it's kind have a singular and plural one. One gotta get gotTa get an underwear from under but if you say lingerie lingerie as launch Russia Andrea sealer plural right. You're right you're right an underwear floral. There's no S. at the end acceptable bras there. Are you can buy one bra but you got to boobs. There's all kinds of issues here using double standards double double double double do the standard. Yes anyway you know. We're going to go into some we. We are still waiting for our guests to come in today but I did get a chance. SOC- something recently and so it's time for. What the hell did I just watch? You had rape the name I hear. What the Hell is headed isis? Watch yes the movie movie. I got to see actually the documentary that I got to see that was on Netflix. It was called Miss Americana the documentary covering Taylor Swift's life. It is a look. At the comic artists Taylor Swift during a trans transformative transformational time in her life as she embraces her role as a singer songwriter and harnesses the full power of her voice. Yes us and this was directed by. Lana Wilson Alright. Obviously this is a documentary series or a documentary that covers everything that goes on in her life when it comes to do how she makes her music to her rise to fame what she was like as a child to what she's like as a as a thirty year old woman all the way up to our thirty thirtieth birthday pretty much and well. I'll say this. This is the movie that I was was talking about before where she had a standing ovation at Sundance. All right so people really did eat this. This thing up people really appreciated how raw and candid. She was throughout this whole thing. You've got to see all walks of her life. Everything from her relationships with her mother with their parents to her team to the backlash she talks about the the situation with Kawhi. Okay when he walks up and goes I'M GONNA I'm Gonna I'm GonNa let you talk but I'm let you let you finish. But they had the best video of all time talks about her are like her the whole situation that the other situation in regards to Konya calling her asking her if he can put her name in the song called hold of famous and all that stuff and how Kim yea basically leaked the video where she was basically saying. Hey it's okay to do this. I'm okay thank you so much Musleh for letting me know and asking for for my permission to put my name in the song and all of that good stuff of and so it was definitely a very interesting interesting story definitely interesting documentary but you could clearly see that. It was geared geared to get people to a feel for her. You know yeah and then of course you see it that she wants to have a political voice. Start trying to find her voice politically. ooh and how she sits there and says. Hey you know what you can't in if you're a country singer you can't really speak out on your own personal political views if you do get a lot of backlash I e the dixie chicks for example when they said some stuff about President Bush. Junior the whole world basically boycotted the dixie chicks. And have you heard anything about the dixie chicks. Since then nope so I forgot so she got yes yes so her. Her whole team was very nervous about her. Getting out there to speak out as a Democrat. Because of course you've seen in country or is she was known to be in country now she's going into the pop world in all of that and so it was a very interesting documentary it. It talks about her issues with her eating disorder to her. Love Life to everything right so I do appreciate eight her doing the documentary. 'cause it was real raw and yes I did see a Taylor swift movie. I don't know why I did that. But you know what some real stuff. I wanted to see what goes on. I don't listen to her music. I'm not a fan of her music but at the same time it was interesting to see the person behind the art and just seeing what she's like in real life and it seemed seemed like she was real genuine. It didn't seem like it was forced and fake. ooh unless she's like amazing actress too that we don't know about you know what I'm saying right other than that. It was very nicely put together. I give it four stars. gave it four out of five so it was. It was really good. It was actually really really good way was on takes on netflix streaming. Right now on Netflix. Check it out if you get some time but definitely all you Taylor swift fans. You're GONNA love it. You're GonNa love it because you Taylor Swift fans you know what I mean. She can do no wrong. If you're a Taylor swift fan if you T- swivel tweak t swizzle fan you're gonNA love it Taytay Taytay that it to you know what the Hell is you know. They'll does seem like a pretty genuine type of person to me. I don't know much about her but from what I get. She doesn't seem like fake but that's her persona persona is genuine. Her Persona is real. I don't know how real that SONA is if you're coming off a certain waged just you kind of wonder how much of this is really manufactured case in point the Kim's video that got leaked and she said before that she goes. I I can't believe he just put my name in here and all that stuff then use zoom in you flash forward to Kim Ja leaking the video where he's literally talking to her and saying is it it. Okay if I put your name in this I love it. It's great. Oh thank you so much for calling in and asking and all that. She got a huge amount of backlash for that she. She doesn't really address the situation. Though in the documents in the documentary the documentary brings it up but she just kind of she talks about it a little bit but she doesn't really go in on insane. Yeah okay this is how I feel about the situation. This is why this happened so what I'm saying. She just kind of danced around a little bit and then moved onto the her. We're making the song me and all this all this other stuff. Just her going. Okay this is why I fell out. This is why I disappeared for year because it just seemed like nobody wanted me around so I just disappeared so it was interesting like like I said I. Don't you wonder how genuine is the genuine. In how real is the real. Yeah like I said unless. She's some amazing actress that we don't even know about. That's the piece that I felt just a little bit weird about it was kind of like all right. And how much of this real like I said about the the Kevin Hart Video Kevin Hart Docu series. How much of that is actually? How much of that is manufactured factored? You know what I mean like I said you could tell. There's a lot of things that were cut out on the Kevin. Hart thing where this one I mean. There's a lot of video of her with her phone just like a selfie mode and she's plunking out the songs trying to write songs and all that stuff so it like I said it was very very interesting Is She definitely talks about her body. Issues body image issues and how she's coming to terms with it and just saying hey this me if I want to eat I'm GONNA eat. You know what I'm saying. I'm GonNa you know if I want to put on some weight. I'M GONNA put on some weight. I don't I'm at that point where I'm trying to be okay with that. So it was really interesting especially when she talks about just being so skinny she. She looked after every single show. She just wanted to collapse because she was so tired. You know what I mean so anyway it was definitely something worth the watch. Definitely something to check out and so yeah check it out for your own self. If you like that stuff check it out so anyway that was think of was what the hell did I just watch our right. Yes I really did watch Taylor swift fad though you know what they remind me of the vh one behind the music. You remember that. Yeah yeah now. Netflix is just do exist. Basically doing the same thing right away and we were. Yeah True Hollywood Hollywood story you know what I mean. I love what I love about the remember those so you're talking about like the V. H. One's behind the music that kind of thing in their funny you whenever you watch those ones like for Def Leppard or something like that and it's like you know like Def Leppard was on the top of their game and then nineteen eighty hit it all came crashing down like it's just like that every time every single doesn't drugs then it's always the nineteen eighties. Everything's fine like Yay. Yea they're making money then. The eighties came and everything came crashing down like every time nobody wants to hear like hear. Happy Fluffy Story Laurie. Now we want to hear what when when when Britney Spears took the bald headed to call ball head and bashed a car and with the bat. That's so what we wanted to. You want to know some interesting about that. You want to know some interesting about that. Britney Spears story got some juice on that yes I think so but I got some juicy story got a juicy story about that. The reason why she oud got something good. Tell us I got some good but you know what I'm GonNa do. I'm going to use this in the next after this commercial break. I'm GonNa tell you. Why Britney Spears really cut her hair off really early life? I know exactly why she cut her hair off. And it's a really good reason tune in we're going to go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal Show but ah we're keeping it real all day on nine twenty. Am and one oh six point nine. FM This is real talk. WGN You right all right all right. Welcome welcome back to the past. Gal Show thing you guys so much for tuning in and a lot of people are still still at home hanging out there putting it on while they're doing work from home so I appreciate everybody. Who's doing that as well? And if you're watching this go check it out. FACEBOOK DOT com slash the Pascal show and also youtube dot com for slash the Pascal show. We'd really appreciate the support and love anyway before we go into our guests this interview because we do have some very special in the house. All right let me just tell you this story. Yeah all right so it has to do with Britney Spears and the reason why the reason reason why the reason why she cut her hair off her parents. Obviously if you guys don't know anything's any story about her. The parents her parents have been controlling her since day one. They have been drugging her since for as long as you can. Even for as long as we can even remember her drugging her as far as a psychiatric drugs. The whole night. Obviously haven't noticed that Britney Spears is kind of off. Yeah she's been off her. Yeah she's always been off like they've been treating her for all kinds of stuff now this obviously she had already had her children with K.. Fit and what happened is obviously the deep. Parents wanted to have more control over her. They wanted to have control over her financials. So the one of the ways of doing that is doing the drug test a hair drug test so because she's on so many different types of psychiatric drugs and of course. I'm sure she's doing all this other stuff as well. She runs to the closest barber and cuts her hair off ball. Because if she didn't do that she would have not only lost her financials. She would've lost control over financials and she would have lost her children why she cut off all her hair before that stuff went down. Wow yes I got that from a very reliable source interesting interesting. One of her ex husband's okay. He knows yes he knew. Because you know the Internet just made it out to be says she lost her mind yes and took a razor alike and it's and it's partly that I mean it's it's partially that as well but because of her the the the amount of drugs that she was consuming some of it over the counter and some probably not prescribed by anybody that she was just taking me me that stuff you'd clearly pops up in a drug test so she was real quick to chop all that stuff. Yeah so she crazy crazy but she's smart too smart too so she was like you know what am i. I don't if I don't do this. The everyone might think I'm crazy but what out but at the same time Ida won't have my children nor will I have control over my money because the parents parents literally wanted to just grab on and hold tight to her money because yeah they'd been grazing her investing in her. So they're like we WANNA make sure we secure the bag to south. Yes yes but this is the world that we live in. y'All and it didn't help this year that that she took a bat to her husband's got knocked situation during that time during that time. Her face like nick. Yeah is our unforgettable Hell hath no fury like a woman score Yeah you know who she was hanging out within two is is Paris Hilton. She's a pair of influence at that time. I don't know about. I don't know about Paris Hilton now with me ask you something does does does Paris Hilton. have any other responsibilities. Aside live from herself as Perez Hilton. have any kids. Exactly no no. We'll talk now. You right not at that rhetorical. That's an open question. have any kids no no she does not no she does that Britney. Now she's got it together she's got her her residency in Vegas. Okay whatever look okay what else let me let me Britney. And he doesn't Know No. We got all kinds of love for the brandy. Come on now you know what I mean oops I did it again. See I gotta say though. Just look at her instagram. I know she's weird. Take a look at her interest rates. Weird Oh bless her heart. He's Lupino because he's not loopy. She's just crazy but she still get nash. That schmuck. She's getting Nash. Money tails just she crazy. you'll secure in the bass like oh secure the bag but just use some other pharmaceuticals baby lease babies many Medicaid medicate. Yes go with God anyway that we go from Britney Spears to arts this gentleman that I have Right House man the owner of a building group. We have Tony Thompson in the whole. Yeah how you doing brother a high. I'm good why are you laughing at us. Clapping it you man we haven't you hear officiate. Events Guy get a get used to. This is funny. You're you're welcome. You're welcome this is A. We would have rolled out the red the red carpet. But we just didn't have time. Hey next time so so tell tell me man okay. I I've quantity building. Group is building the new soccer arena which is massively huge. That's a huge deal. Congratulations congratulations on that. I'm going to collapse regan all of that because what you're doing bringing a Lotta stuff to Saint Louis. You're doing something really big so I gotta ask you. How do you get the GIG? Yea Man well I was born. And here's the interesting about all of that. Is You know I. I've been grinding just like you man. I've been grinding ever since I've been in business. Let me give you a little bit of history because you know five ten years a long time in Indian industry but particularly in the construction industry so this is my twenty nine year in business as a construction obstruction management firm. Who is not like this is overnight? Right it's not like you just stumbled upon it right the the the the arena. So I'll get I'll get to that so I sold the company to employees about eight years ago. I'm fifty one chairman. CEO But a couple of years. Years ago I started working in Seattle. My guys were really focused in Seattle in north west part of the country. And I just noticed if you haven't noticed like like the last five or six years probably didn't hear a lot from kwami And I was I was not as involved in with the day to day activities and I really wasn't is it but I felt like we really need to focus back on Saint Louis our home base and in doing that. I got back engaged with the day to day. The operation of the business Officially took back over the presidency January two thousand nineteen and so in doing that. We're working on the convention center in Seattle so We've worked on a convention center here a few years ago. We worked on. Cardinal Stadium reported construction management team for that so we have built free decent resume of stadium. Real Rena kind of projects or a local farm not just minority from just local firm of ethnic type So they were looking for a program manager. Owner's rep to to help manage the entire process. Which is all we've been doing for the last twenty nine years and and I ended up with a gentleman who we work with on the Cardinal Stadium? A guy named John Lloyd who had a significant amount of stadium experience around the country and we just put together. I think a killer killer teams that beat out three or four national firms who went after work so it was it was it. Did this have anything to do with like the best budget wins type of situation. No believe it or not it was what they call a qualification based selection negotiated fees. After's word wow with no no no so break that down. What does that mean exactly? What that means? Is You put the proposal together. And they pick the best team and then negotiate the fee so it wasn't based on price. Wow okay man. I wish I love. I need that kind of life. I'm just dope. Come on what you know what I mean. Lean my laundry list of things I've done we lose. We lose quite a bit but when we win we win big. You know it's one of those so you know it's a gamble but if I were to ask you if you went back fifteen twenty years how many minority firms the entire United States of America America to have fifteen or twenty years experience. Doing what we do so now twenty nine years later we're gonNA pretty good position you know Not just as minority already owned firm but of all farms because Most people familiar with our work at the airport. We've been at the airport for almost twenty years. We've done working great Orlando's airport in DFW and other airports across the country so I've been able to amass resume of pretty significant big projects. Yeah and so. There are a lot of Competent firms here black and white. But when you look at the big firms that have a deadlines and complexity I think we we kind of stand above the rest. Yeah so kwami. Is the name to kwami building group. So why why Kwami will kwami building good. That's another story so I was working at Anheuser Busch when I actually started to business I worked for the corps. Were of Engineers Monsanto and Anheuser Busch. While I was trying to develop the business had a bunch of guys who were laid off from a Boeing was down Doug at the time that we run project for me during the day while I was working at a B and they would give me the information. I've give them their direction and I put together reports on the weekends. I would put together the cost reports the schedule scheduled to allow the technical things. Hire people to do now. I did myself and I did that all on weekends. Dusk kwami means born on Saturday in Ghana. The company was born on Saturday and at the time and my my cute little brother name kwami on Saturday so I thought it was catchy. At the time it was it was it was kind kind of Corny. But that's that's how I came up with. kwami means born on started. The company was born on Saturday. Known that makes total sense and of course it's a great name so essentially is about the name if I if I must you know you'd be surprised. How many people told me when I started this business that I should change the name because it sounded too ethnic see I would think that that to nothing? I would think that too but I'm just saying I I could have difficulty was but see now. People say it's like they don't they don't think ethnicity I mean when I hear Kwami today I mean we've been around long enough right. We've established ourselves at the time. Initially again twenty eight twenty nine years ago Kwami Kwami is like. Oh that's a minority Vermont Right but I've always had the position that you know. I guess it was Oprah. Somebody said that the best deterrent. Racism is excellent and so my position was nobody has Alberici to change. Her name. Is Italian. Rallo McCarty you know so to me. I just never even gave it a second thought. About changing right no I see. That's that's great. I'm glad that you kinda stuck to your guns and to stay with it. Let me ask you what what what was the hardest part. What is the hardest part about the business when you first started out you said okay? I'm GONNA build this but to put together this company kwami ability group. What what was the first? What was the hardest thing about stepping out? Okay a kind of two three questions. 'cause the hardest part about the business is a little different than the hardest part about stepping out. You know so there have been challenges along the way you know. Since I've been in business that I can go through as we was. We talk but stepping out Is is something that even my parents thought. I was crazy when I told him I was quitting my job. It has Bush to start my own business like what you know. Everybody's in Saint Louis trying to get in anticipation that was leaving But I've always wanted to have my own business and but I felt like that's why I did kind of on the side on weekends and I encourage anybody who has a spirit who wants to have numbers if you have a decent job keep your job as long as you can and you just have to sacrifice acuff ice and work long hours late nights and And my my position was I wasn't gonNA leave Anheuser Busch until I can no longer number four to stay so we got to a point where I had amassed enough clients enough contracts where I couldn't service them and do my job so I quit quit because I felt like I can make more money on my own but but but the last thing I say. I didn't do it for the money. I did for the flexibility and freedom to having my own business brought me because the first year I made no money the second year I made less than I made when I was a beat. It wasn't too maybe third. Your Dad was able to make the same amount of money that I was making. which but the the tough part is you have to prepare yourself paid off? All my credit card paid off. All the bills didn't have anything but my living expenses in. Oh my house. Note that Kathy so As long as you can manage that and you'd be surprised how little you can live off of until you're forced to write a Beyond you know not getting into the details. But I'd never looked back and I would never go back to that situation and I and I don't think I ever could have been able to accomplish some things that have accomplished head. I stay word I mean. Let me let me re. Yeah I ain't never going back to Rama noodles. I I going back. You know what I'm saying. That's motivation in itself right there. Noble Rama Noodles delicious though. Anyway we gotta go to a a quick commercial break when we got Tony Thompson in the house will be right back. This is the Pascal show. What's up Yo you're on? Wgn You nine twenty am. I'm and one zero six point nine. FM Real talk for real saint. Louis yes back to the show. Yes thank you guys so much for tuning in and being a part of the show. If you've got any questions for our brother Tony Thompson gives a call at three one. Four eight eight zero zero eight zero eight or comment on our feeds. We have our facebook book. Feed Facebook.com forced Pascal show and we have our Youtube Channel YouTube dot com forward slash. The Pasco show. We're watching all the bumps so please go comment below. Let I know you think we are here with Tony Thompson of kwami building group. Anyway we're just in the middle of a conversation during the break are right. Yes we do talk during the breaks too by the way. If you don't know Nagy no anyway we were just talking about the the arena and all the things that are going to be going down with this thing and of course. There's some things is that you can't disclose right now as a but I got some exclusives which is dope we. I can't tell you that sucks Lasantha anyway the arena. Obviously we can talk about like the location of the arena. Correct Stadium Stadium. Sorry keep saying Rena the stadium. So where's the where's the stadium. I'm going to be located at so. Actually you probably heard recently in Saint Today. Just shut down to the exit ramps of sixty four And that those are being closed primarily because as you come underneath the ramp and as you exit towards Union Station when you when you take that loop around that tire areas where stadium's going to be so it's it's North of Union station a little bit to the West but that entire bowl also with those ramps are around. That is where to stay. Wow between all of and market and twentieth and twenty six th street okay so let me ask you something to do you soccer much at all. I do not suck how you build some like this this kind of course ask you build airplanes fly. That is very true. I do fly. I am fly. The right you are flying eh airplane him build an airplane. But I gotta yeah like but but the the th. That's a good question so construction when you're acting as as as a project manager for example and you're overseeing budgets costs inspection quality estimates stuff like that. It's the process really that's more important. Yeah more so than the technical technical details of a stadium. For example. A soccer stadium is a little different in a baseball stadium. Or your football stadium. Now they're all stadiums but they have their own unique elements to them but the process is the same. Whether you're building a dog house where he's GonNa Taj Mahal. There's certain things you have to establish but you have to establish the conceptual design criteria once you've established that someone has to now think about okay. What is the best way to to build this? Based on the conditions every project is different And the fact that we did work on a previous stadium the fact that we were able to work on a train trained we're GONNA arena in in in Seattle Washington we've done some other smaller stadiums so we've had some experience but it's the overall all construction activities for talking about foundations. You're talking about steel. You turnabout roofing lighting painting electrical all the elements in this building are no different than elements in several other bills that we've done throughout our career right so you just kind of in a way PA copy paste now so we'll see the unique thing is why they they select certain architects so h okay for example is the architect for the stadium. Now H okay. They're saying Lewis. Office is quartered but they're sports division and out of Kansas City is actually the folks private primarily involved with the details and the conceptual design of this soccer stadium. So they have. It's like attorneys. You have attorneys but you have some specialized in certain areas. Same thing would architects. So you WanNa make sure who's ever designing this particular facility knows is what they're doing as relates to soccer because there are some unique qualities. Did you see in the stadium that I had to learn about you know Did you see in other states. For example the soccer fans are crazy. You know that they're doing with design. Your state is really geared towards the fan and that's great. Is this particular stadium. They want to keep the noise inside the stadium as opposed to trying to make it quieter. If you can believe as this is crazy so break that down how does that they want to keep the noise inside. Explain that there are a lot arena. CEOS they want to try to keep it quiet because they want people to be able to interact and talk and have you know but not not soccer. They wanted to be loud and they wanted to be to the way where you're saying. Oh the way. The design and the canopies and the seating and even the material on some of the seating is so far is such to increase the amplitude. Oh yes soccer. Soccer soccer fans are absolutely crazy in. Its as all get out. I mean you know. This hooligans is in all of this. You know what I'm saying. What is crazy the one of the things that I really think that people really appreciate about this stadium is going to be such an and I say I can't thank in in in and I don't think people really have a full appreciation for the Taylor family man until you cavanaugh? And the Taylor family enterprise. Now he's got what they're doing for the city of Saint Louis. This is a huge investment on their part to to take this endeavor on but they're also taking consideration in Facilities for for for example. Yeah they're going to be other activities that are going to be announced again to talk about that will be held in this particular facility facility that it will be unique to this facility. Only you can't tell us like not even that nat nothing. Yeah I love my life too much. Life is too sweet to Dan. You Know Oh man okay. But that's really great though knowing that there's other things that they're going to be bringing into the into the stadium regardless but you know outside of just right soccer. Don't think about this. I think the people need to realize is that this is not like they're buying another team and moving it to Saint Louis. They're creating a brand new franchise team from scratch in that crazy easy Jack. There's a chance there is a chance for you. Yes you could you could. You could be a pro soccer player any lease for a lot of people not yes the jobs. The opportunities the vendors that there's opportunity this coming with this brand new team being established and same which is what I'm so excited sided about especially for the city is that it's bringing it's bringing money back into the city is bringing jobs and all that you just listed I mean once the rams left you know the the dad that left to go get a pack of cigarettes that never came back and there's a lot of people still feel really salty about about that so the fact that that's soccer which is such a huge sport huge sport the fact that they're bringing that in about time International I. It's GonNa be you know I I was on. This isn't going to be people. Don't realize it now this is going to be so much bigger than the rams. No yeah believe it or not. There's going to be so much bigger for the city. As a whole now there may be football fans who may not agree with that but I'm talking about overall when you're talking about international and the type of money money and revenue attention that Saint Louis would been Be Become you know. Yeah so I know that your you said that you've been overlooking being other other buildouts aside from the stadium all over the country correct so how let me ask you how are you. How are you balancing that out? How do you know like this thing is being done over here? While this things being done over there are you able to multitask in that way. Those so big pro. This is not just legos. These are really big. Raja's I was in Seattle last week. I got to go to Dallas Variety. You know one of those things where I I started to slow down and now kind of ran back. It's kind of like a renaissance a rebirth of the organization And you know I can't explain explained it and it's like we ask you you multitask several things. You've got your music. I understand you do a lot of things. You're talented individuals so when you're passionate shit about something you make it work right but what I do ain't no buildings. It Ain't a stadium where thousands upon thousands of people are going to park their butts. There are a lot of people on the team we have. I have good staff. We have a great architecture firms. Great Construction there are a lot of people. ooh involved with this now. We're just Kinda quarterback if you will allow all of this right. And that's really when I started a business primarily wide shows programming construction magic because in my travels when I was with Bush and Monsanto I rarely saw any minorities in charge they. I've seen design firms engineering firms contracts but the project managers are the ones who are represented owners and are calling the shots and making decisions that will impact the tire project and as an african-american That was something that was appealing to me and when I travel for a be doing it. I didn't see anyone else doing something I can do this for myself. Let me ask you this then and especially being African American being a minority in the job that you do obviously times are changing to a certain extent but they haven't fully changed. Are you seeing any type type of backlash any type of tension. When I started while you're in the job right now like in the current state that you're in right now? Are you seeing any type of tension in or pushback in regards to just being a minority business owner every day absolutely and I think the people who think that is not. It doesn't exist They got the hidden saying. It's a challenge every single day. And that's why I said the statement that I made the best deterrent to racism is excellent so I try not to let it eat NBA. By now I just work harder. Yeah No But yeah there are people that don't WanNa see me in this field. There are people that don't think got should be in this field not to mention our own. We got to hate it being going on but but It's it's a huge market. Construction is huge. Immediate media. Buildings gone on everywhere you know but if I were to ask you or anyone in the studio for example how many African American firms can you tell me that are in their the second or third generation in the entire United States of America. You probably couldn't count on one hand So that's one reason. Why kind of step back into try to really Uh Be involved with recruiting. I flew a guy in yesterday from North Carolina. At to interview I'm looking all over the country for talent minorities and women to To continue another twenty eight twenty nine years. I'm not going to be there but I got to put the position and put my procedures and processes and everything in place so they can go on another generation. Oh man well we gotta do a little quick left turn a right okay but seriously your show congrats of yet is damn right anonymous plane. No Hughes congratulations on on this and everything that you've been doing is amazing but I also know you're a big music like a big fan of music and you create your own music so yes so tell me about your music man. I mean what what do you do appreciate it. You know but he should've asked me this other day and I would have brought my team using. You could've played before I came on air but we'll talk about that. Okay I ah next time you come on. We're music's always been my passion. A lot of people who know me from High School for example know this because I had a scholarship to major music when I graduated from high school. I play piano and Jazz Jazzman but I chose Architecture because k you didn't have The school that offered the music. Scholarship didn't offer architecture so I had to turn it down. It went on. I kinda banned it well a few years ago. You know. It's always passionate to get back into it. So I I invested some of my pros eased into into building a studio buying pro tools by and just kind of teaching myself all the stuff that's going on now with using a good time. Exciting time to be in the music particularly someone like me. WHO's been out of so long? I can make my own music. I can I I took some independent study class on audio production. I learned how to mix and master. I got selected to go with a to a program in France called mix with the masters I started with Jay z producing engineer young guru for ten days in France. That's cool so when I came back created Alma Santa my mind. That's it's on on tooth out of by platform platform forgot forgot instrumental jazz fusion kind of stuff but I have occasional Recorded for some other folks and some of my tracks on different albums music like they but my influences is more jazz and so until a lot of the younger people started full appreciation for jazz. You know they're not really because I'm not into the trap trapped so much I've I've dabbled but I get bored. I fall asleep trying to make trap music. I feel OK jazz. It's like somebody said one court is it's okay to coors is pushing it three causes jazz. You have an album out on spotify and correct I to donald my mind my mind. TB Oh part two part so we're part one. I didn't like it so much is out there but you can find you. Okay we're not gonNA talk about uh-huh some mind part two okay. Well Hey huge. Congratulations on this. Because I know I've written on your success Steph. I've seen what you've been doing here thank you. I know. You've been supportive of houses. Soul and cafe sold the building. And my hat's off to you. Yeah Man I appreciate it I appreciate it. I mean you know. We really love houses so shout out to Nicole Stevenson. She's she's incredible she's doing a lot of great stuff over there and of course we I appreciate the building. That's your building so that's building which is which is really amazing too. So hey congratulations on everything. And I can't wait to see more Quami everywhere you know what I mean I can see it. I'm mark. We're already seeing is already in like across the country already stay tuned stay tuned. You never know you know what I mean but big thank you to Tony Thompson for being here. Thank you so much. Thank you thank you so much. Be sure to check out. Quami building incorporated go. Check them out. They're really really great. Obviously they're building the new stadium for the soccer league. That's going to be here in Saint. Ain't Louis so go check it out man. He's about to do some crazy stuff for the city. I'm so excited. We gotta go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal show back. This is real talk from Real Saint Louis streaming live a real tub. WGN Dot Com. Yes welcome welcome back to the Pascal show. Thank you guys so much for tuning and shot the Tony Thompson for being in here. Being in the house was really really special really appreciated but anyway there's some cool things that have happened recently Lee. You know what I'm saying. It is time for things I find. Oh yes and in things. I find dope this past weekend. I was at the ray of Hope Foundation. Fundraiser event run in by and created by Ray Lewis. It was a really really special event. It was really hope but what was really cool was that I got to run into and rub elbows elbows and have a quick conversation with a very special person. You might know him as Gary v but he goes his real name is Gerry. Banner Chuck Huge Entrepreneur huge on social media and Youtube motivational speaker. He says a lot of great things that he said something really inspirational. Really Great in our little conversation saying that we had so here it is take a listen here with the man Gary v Gary Chuck Band Okay first off. Thank you office an amazing experience for me because I want to be for a very very long time. I gotta ask you open. Of course man. No thank you as you do a lot for a lot of people and everything but I gotta I gotTa ask you this really quick so you get a lot of questions to ask you something. That's been fifteen million times but first off when it comes to say that you're you're in making the move towards something I really love. You feel like you got colon. You feel like this woman that way then. Suddenly you start getting smacked in the face of all these kind of setbacks all the time you know what I mean. Is there anything you could save. People out there that are. What's the alternative to ask? You WanNa live your life in a way that makes you so happy and prosperous and lived at one percent life. It's supposed to be so confused. Accused by seven thousand times. Yes I lived Susan. Respect smell you lick it takes. It takes time when people are so used fire like the ambition ambition. I I don't understand what I'm saying like you don't like your path. You're making something happen all that good stuff awesome and suddenly illegal. Sometimes you're up. Nineteen that's the crowd and cheering. It's the problem with most people employed shooting too much makes them look good and watch yourself. Prosper liked micro heaters. Must Win yourself like the fact that I have no time. Chiro real winners have no. No kidding facts facts. Yeah you don't have time to do any of that next week. You're doing your Grenelle man. Listen what's next. Door was the big server. I anything I don't be sports sports cars. I'm your reactionary top really. Yeah so you just go where the wind blows wherever the wind takes. You know. Because I'M NOT GONNA I'm GonNa go where I see some but I'm not GonNa Guess what I'm going to see their embracement. I really appreciated on yourself. I love that yes so it was a really great conversation. Sation love yourself I it gets easier after that. You know what I'm saying like. That was the last piece that he said right at the end and I loved it. I mean he's a really great dude. the fact that even got a chance to to wrap with him when I did was really fantastic. Can I felt energized. Felt like you know what I'm ready to kick some butt and take some names. He's a motivational speaker. Yeah that's why he does what he does. And that's why he's Gary v Gary Bay Ner Chuck are I go and check him out. He's very very fantastic. And if you don't know who he is and you're sleeping under Iraq you clearly are not on youtube at all or any social media platforms at all. But he's a really great guy. Go check him out fantastic stuff anyway. Man asked what else are we got going on today. What's going on with the news? I know that there's some other things in regards to the impeachment impeachment trials. The votes are going to be are going on right right now. They're still waiting. We're still waiting. Apparently they're going to be making the verdict or making the decision today. Okay that's supposed to be going on throughout today so we're still waiting on that. We don't know anything yet. As as far as I know. I'm looking things up as we speak in like. Oh maybe they have. The answer is here even what is going to be but do you know what though it would be so cool. If we were shocked with the verdict that we didn't expect wow wouldn't that be I would i. Would I would be. How would literally do the worm around may an hour or at least try site -ment that'd be super happy? I'll be super high man super super high. What what we don't have the verdict yet? We don't have the answer yet so we're still waiting on that. Obviously Kansas City shut up the Kansas City because fight fight fans are lining up already for the big chiefs Super Bowl parade. That's going on as we speak right. Now people are super-hype it's getting crazy. Obviously nothing's being done no work. No money's being made right now in Kansas City because everyone is at this parade eight okay so much that there was an actual. What's crazy is that there was a car chase a police chase in the middle of the parade? I saw in in the middle of the parade. They're saying Oh we got the guy he's been obtained he's good continue partying which really really funny. uh-huh that's crazy. That's crazy literally driving down the parade driving through the parade just trying to get away from the five bow out on the Lam. That's true you think the way. What have we drive through this parade? Maybe maybe we can get lost in the parade in the crowd of people. You're in a car kind of not hard to find. Yes you're saying you're in a car. Maybe you've got out of the car started running in maybe the crowd you know you can have. You know what I'm saying. Get Your Oceans Lebanon. You know what I'm saying but anyway so there was a literally literally a car. Police a police chase a runaway car. I don't know I don't know what that was all about. The somebody thought Ooh let me just drive live into the crowd is stupid but anyway. So that's going on right now as we speak the parade people are getting lit. People really excited about it. I'm I'm excited for them. You know what I'm saying. Go chiefs you know. The team that I said was going to win one. How you like them? Apples paying good job man. Thank you Pasco's pick fifty chance to be quite honest man. Anybody could have guessed that the fifty fifty come on like your hair today. It's fifty fifteen looking as look. My feeling is my feeling they say. Blondes have more fun. Oh Wow I only halfway know that half of the time Rava the time you having a good time the other time is just terrible leak in dark barring bad. Oh Oh boy also it looks like what was I looking at something about union station getting fined for overcrowding. Oh Wow that's a good route. I lost it was right here and now because twitter is losing its mind. It's now gone day now. I'll find it at some point. Find It. I find the aquarium. I was GONNA say real quick. There are some birthdays that we have very is because it is birthday time. Some people got born on birth today other than Trayvon Martin. Yeah correct who would have been twenty five today correct. Rip What we do you have some other. He's not a celebrity. You know what I mean. Got Some other birthdays in the house who we got. Let's go ahead and stick with the soccer team today. started out with it This gentleman from Portugal thirty five years old. He's one of the top soccer players in the world. paling no he rose family's Real Madrid and after being required for Manchester United Eileen O.. A few soccer players. You're probably either messy. Yeah I'm Deanna. So now does something in the naive renowned. See we're GONNA move on R. and B. Singer fifty fifty one years old today out of Boston and he founded new edition. Oh my prerogative bobby bobby. Brown Brown he was is the one that founded the team. He was twice the TWAS I don't know if you know who this is or not But a rapper out of Baton Rouge a turned thirty four years old today Hit A two thousand thirteen. Mix tape the Luca Brasi story and he signed clinic records in two thousand Thirteen Kevin Gates. Oh okay wow does does ooh. He's the wall face Tattoo. I just say I just close it out not to look at five thirty four thousand five hundred make sense Let's see here. We have I don't know who this was. But from Nigeria or ambitious singer Released released her debut. Single without. My heart doesn't eleven. She's sitting co written songs with fantasia Barinas Collard Greens means in cornbread. Jerry you got you got me on the savage. Oh I don't know well her her yes. She was born today on. Yeah congratulations for walking through the Velvet Curtains. Yes and this Legendary baseball player Eighty six years old today out of Alabama and he is a right fielder known as the hammer set a record. Good for seven hundred and fifty five career home runs breaking babe. Ruth's record of seven hundred. Fourteen in nineteen seventy four guaranteed Babe Ruth. Oh thank Erin okay. Okay look at him. You know stuff technically. It's come hank Iran Iran hank a Ron. Anyway yes Let's see here fifty one years old today. Out of Wales This actor best known for his roles as Tony Blair and the Queen Gene and David Frost in Frost Nixon. He's also was Dr. William Masters Showtime Series Masters of sex. I know who it is. I don't know his name Michael Sheen Michael Sheen his last name Sheen is related to Charles. Oh He's British. Yeah the home. He's British British love okay. British love baby. I felt yes it is saying. PS WOW so. Let's see fifty six years old today out of Seattle Rock bassist best known for his time with guns and roses and Velvet Revolver bassist. He also served as an occasional writer fee for Seattle. Don't weekly Dot Com. Who knows Bass player's articulate? Betas right right the Duff Mackay Gin. Don't even you know who that is. Of course not because he plays Bass exactly no shave. We we need ya but we don't know your name. We don't know who the hell but we do need you. I always the tall lanky do the back does the killing the baseline is killing it but the head thing not good no shine no shine. No you've got to Victor Wooten though Victor woman vases tease. He's coal with it. And he's a famous base the basis. We'll see there's more to more Forty to play repeat come on forty nine years old out of Bougainville Wound Ville Missouri American country singer header nineteen ninety eight album. No place that far. And she's no no no no place so far she guest starred on Jeff Foxworthy's television show foxworthy's big night out. I don't know Sara Evans and I don't know who she Bob Evans. I wonder if she knows Bob Evans. Sausage Yom nobody. Nobody is yeah. So what's the gist. And I'll give you a dollar every name. This last person. Okay from Kingston Canada born in one thousand nine thirty four turning eighty six years old today. This Canadian Hockey Sports caster player and coach established himself as the voice of the NHL. The playoffs give me a break and commentator coach's corner only used to be in hockey didn't he didn't he didn't he retire recently. Hats perhaps he thinks long time ago. I know that's the stupidest question past. There's some guys that just hold on Mike for your cold hands I don't know his name Don Cherry jail. I heard I want to know if I would've known now to. I think he was in trouble recently. He wasn't really stewardess. There's there's something but he was retiring like. I think this was his last season or something like that. He said something Really Racist Racist City. Yes yeah that's why I remember his name. That's the only reason why that was just in November. It was just it was just recently and I think he's going going into forced retirement because of comments they won't yet he said something about. What did he say he sets African Canadians Indians or something like that or no no no he said something about? He says something about soccer players. Some I forgot what he said. Oh that's driving me nuts. He used a you people he said you people well love our way of life. Love our milk and honey elite. You could pay a couple of bucks for poppies or something like that. He's guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada. Oh no YEP. That's a quote. I was GONNA say real quick. This does not come out of his mouth I'M OUT OF CHERRIES NEW CONTEXT. He was just like on the air on coach's corner and started talking about that talking crazy and the network h. l. came out is like no if I'm correct. He was referring to something about like they were complaining. They were complaining about something in regards to like. Having not having respect to the sport and respect to the actual events it was going on on it was black people. And you said you people now because I don't think he was meant toward black people. I don't know what it it was I I I can't I don't want to quote anything wrong. You know what I'm saying and be rab like devastatingly wrong right. You know what I'm saying. I mean if you're talking about like some some people who are like rowdy in the stands and it was bad you know what I mean but if they were was what I've never heard anybody else. You referenced the Fr- The phrase raise you people less as black people over there right like that it you guys. What do you do? People is meant for something else. That's divisive Yes for sure you guys. It's not hey guys you people that's the Bison. Oh for sure Kim. You're sending people everybody. No you did. Not Oh you lying through your teeth through your dancers. The should've retired before before they had a chance to find you. Some Um Happy Birthday Don Cherry. Maybe everybody congratulations for walking up the Velvet curtains living in sucking in this wonderful thing uncalled life. You know what I'm saying. Congratulations to all y'all for being alive. He's alive y'all live all right moving on moving on from this from. Up we can say that because we we can say yeah we gotta go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back as the Pascal show. Hey we're keeping a real all day on nine twenty. AM and one zero six point nine FM. This is real talk. WD The and you. Yes the Pascal. Show baby working. Welcome back to the Pascal show. Are we gotta get into. We're really quick. You know we got some stuff real quick we gotta talk about before we end up. Wrap up the show is sad for. Where's the beef man Steve Yes? Today's where's the beef is against Terry crews versus this Gabrielle Union. Okay so some things have been going on recently with Terry crews may candice man ever just keep in his mouth shut all right so he was richly being interviewed on a show talking about his experience with America's got talent especially after the backlash that Gabrielle Union was putting out saying that they fired her because of wearing ethnic hairdos in all that stuff that she was being too ethnic. So here's a little clip from the actual interview. We should ask you about the Gabrielle Union controversy of course there are reports that her contract wasn't renewed because she reported a toxic atmosphere existed at the show. You at the show is is is there a toxic atmosphere first of all. I can't speak for sexism because I'm not a woman but I can't speak on behalf of any racism comments that was never my experience on America's got talent back. It was the most diverse place I have ever been in my twenty years of entertainment. Twenty the top ten acts or Asian women older younger black why it was everything in the in the gap. Now I have to say this too when you look at what. The allegations allegations are about it was given by an unnamed source. My thing is you know. It's funny because I believe you should listen to women. You should always believe women so I asked my wife what I should do. She was like first of all. If if it's coming from unnamed source because Gabrielle Union has not made any statement to this day about any of these allegations publicly. So she's talking to her. I have not I have reached out but I have not heard it so my thing was my wife said well. She hasn't made a the statement. And why would you said you know what I'm GonNA listen to her which we should know that. NBC is still investigating and they have said they will put new practices into place if necessary Okay all right Terry Terry. Come on man. Aren't you supposed to be looking out for your brother for your brother. Man You cystic system man. You know what I'm saying. Are you supposed to be helping the for the 'cause I know that he's all about he's all about equality he's all about the you know women's rights and all that stuff but then why why would you go back on that kind of situation. Why wouldn't you back her up? You see what I'm saying. The my personal opinion is like I feel like Terry says what he needs to say to keep alive like he's in he's in survival mode a Lotta Times. An Isa saying he needs to say so that he can keep moving it so they gained secure the bag America. America's got talent is of good bag to secure. And obviously it's putting him out there on a `nother another level other than just being Mr Muscles man. You know what I'm saying. So it's giving him a platform for people to look at them in a different light but at the same time you're using the platform in the wrong way my brother do you know what I mean. If she's saying something you should have a back man. That's what I think. That's what I think on that situation. You know know what I mean. He just doesn't want to lose his job. That's basically what I'm trying to say. Here you off you know. What are you trying to keep the door open for that phone uncall- because it was very that whole interview I just was cringing? all-time like us so yup. But then he'll go and he'll he'll speak on the the whole metoo movement and all that stuff and he'll sit there and go no you you know women need to be you know we need to empower these women and all that stuff but then she talks about all this stuff in regards to all the allegations of just the toxic environment that they that they are in inside of that show and he just kind of throws it all that out the window he really could have just he could have really kept it simple. He could have said. That wasn't my experience. However I do not discount that it could have been hers right and I'm standing behind her case closed? You don't have to go. I have never. They're the most diverse people ever in my life. I had them if you're listening and I'm here. He notice notice. These tap dancing marionette dislike technically across the stage. You know what I mean the Atkins could shuck and Jive look at me. But that's that's me I didn't I didn't like it. Then much politics he put out a whole bunch of stuff tweets to apologize the giants staying all those exact same things and then the Dwayne Wade was like. Hey someone take Terry crews phone I I this is this is not the thing you not real. It feels like it was manufactured in the nick cannon chimed in to and being like sometimes you know he's I understand you know you're part of the big working machine and you work for the man and sometimes you gotta be like. Hey I got a backup. Demand is the man gave me a job right well. Then then that's messed up man like that's not what you need to be doing like on some real stuff like you you you know. I understand that you want to secure the bag. I said I understand. You want to secure the bag but don't go back on your laurels. Don't go back on your own. Your own the your own integrity. You know what I'm saying if they WANNA fire you because of that then shoot there's some- you can talk about that you can make a fuss about you feel me. We feel you know what I'm saying. That was all the way Kunashiri. It was it was uh shocking. And Javadi wasn't a very good luck you could. You could end that in two sentences. I slammed behind her no matter what because she's my sister. I didn't experience is that but I'm with her on it and if she needs my back my support I got her back. And that's it you go into this whole tangent about the most diverse experience that you ever. I'm sleep there. I'm snoozing on you. All we got all this stuff and it's like no man come on now come on when he down with distant three just rearrange what your your mindset is real quick and just realize that you speaking on a bigger issue that you are a part of his. Well you're not helping the issue you're being a part of the problem. You and not being part of the solution come on man and I like Terry crews noninvasive I'm being a well-spoken Dude. You know he's very funny. He's a talented guy. But you trust me. There are other America. Got Talent gigs out there. If you were to say something like that or to say I have no comment facts. I can't speak on that works to just keeps it moving. That's what I think where you you know what I'm saying. Oh Terry it was embarrassed. Sometimes you just need to shut your mouth. No I loved Harry. But he doesn't eases shut his mouth sometimes just on awesome real stuff keep flexing those pecks. Yeah man no don't mean keep doing those old spice commercials wide. You know what I mean. Keep doing them push ups. It is waiting for white girls to three with white girls to to wait w crazy. Are they gonNA wake. He he put out some tweets awhile back about saying it down for it. I think the runway and Said said that movie made him though if it got enough traction that he'd be down for a movie will be made him a little later. That movie made Terry crews. What was the major terry crews done an identity And now I'm so done. The funny thing is that that song on will be forever and infamy just because of that movie and that scene you know what I'm saying but that movie made that dude so anyway all I'm saying is I would love for him to just Kinda cooled who'll them fans cooling. Now stay back you can still secure the bag but still be. You can still be supportive without saying anything anything sewer. I'm saying you don't need to go on that platform. Say That stuff unless they asked him to do that. Less is more yes less is a lot more but I keep thinking maybe they asked him to come in. And we'll talk about it because we need. We need something and you're new. You're new to the to the show. You WanNa keep that the job. Don't you talk about it. You know what I mean. Yeah so anyway. That's where's the beef today. Trust me there was a whole lot more. Where's the beef? I WanNa talk about as a gang of different stuff. I wanted to talk about today but I could not talk about it because we had so many other things to talk about tomorrow or I'll be talking about some crazy stuff. There's a whole bunch of stuff going on trust and believe on some on some other. Where's the beef? We're doing a big deep dive on some things that are going on on like the Johnny Depp Verses Amber Heard Situation Yes we're GONNA be talking about that and of course we got some else that has to do with Oprah era and that's another where's the beef segment for tomorrow so tomorrow be double. Stacked it'll be a thick steak AAC tomorrow with. Where's the beef so be sure to tune in about that but anyway we gotta get going? It's about that time right huge shutout to Tony Thompson and for coming through and being a part of the show I cannot wait to see what Komai Building Group Inc is going to be doing because they are building some crazy stuff here in town. That's going to bring a lot of money a lot of jobs to this great city. Anyway we gotta get going. We Love Y'all hopefully you guys are having a wonderful Wednesday. Be Good yourselves. Be Good to one another and we'll see you guys tomorrow. That's Thursday I'll see later but hey what's up yellow Buoy Pascal. Thank you guys. So much tune in for sure to check out our facebook page facebook dot com slash the pass cow show for all of our upcoming interviews games and are a huge giveaways a fantastic swag check facebook dot com ports last the Pascal. Show and be sure to tune in nine to twelve PM. Right here on W._G._N. You peace.

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Marie rajon t was a whistleblower in a big scandal and the state of tennessee. A big scandal that had just an astonishing ending an ending that we apparently as a country need to study now at the end of the trump administration because this scandal is literally the only thing i know of in our modern american history. That might help us out in terms of what's supposed to happen now and how the craziness we are living through right now is supposed to resolve and luckily this one isn't just history that we have to look up like in random. Phd thesis is and old newspapers. Trust me i have done that. With lots of state level scandals. Luckily this one really does have ac- space x movie all about it so you can cheat and just watch the movie. It's a movie in which the the new york times praised sissy space as quote effortlessly from battered young wife to a self possessed official giving yet another guileless radiant performance of unusual immediacy. You can cheat on this part of your civics dork homework. You can just watch marie. Soc- spacex nineteen five and the times praising her for her unusual immediacy in that in that role indeed that was true then it is unusually immediately relevant right now to what's happening in our country right now at this car crash end of this bizarre presidency. But it's worth knowing what happened. That became the basis for that movie in nineteen thousand. What happened is this. There was this. Dixie politician in tennessee named ray blanton ray blanton had been in the tennessee state legislature. That sort of an undistinguished run there. He ran for congress from tennessee in nineteen sixty six as an old reconstructed dixie crat democrat. He ran as a pro segregation candidate for congress in nineteen sixty six got congress. How a few terms did basically nothing but while he was there. Distinguished himself as an unreconstructed southern democrat inveighing against the dirty hippies and the anti war movement voting against the extension of the voting rights act was he was a real peach. Nineteen seventy-four that politician. Ray blanton got elected governor of the great state of tennessee and while he was governor. He gave his family's road-building company. A state contract and guys in his administration started selling off state owned cars to their friends and cronies discount. He was basically a terrible and corrupt governor but in nineteen seventy eight after his. Time as tennessee governor ray plant was on his way out. He was not going to run for another term. They held an election. November nineteen seventy eight to pick the next governor. A republican named lamar alexander. One that gubernatorial election in tennessee to replace rape lenten weren't blantant had had trashed lamar alexander. He called him a choir. Boy did his best to keep lamar alexander from winning. But lamar alexander one and after that. Nineteen seventy eight election right. Blanton is on his way up but he's in his lame duck period right so he knows he's not going to be governor for long. But is there for a little. While until the inauguration till lamar alexander comes in and in that lame duck period stuff starts to go haywire. Blanton gets hold in before a federal grand jury to testify an fbi investigation into whether or not his administration was offering pardons for state prisoners. Get out of jail free cards in exchange for cash. Bribes blanton himself. The governor himself got hold in to testify in front of the grand jury in that investigation. Three of blend staffers including his chief counsel got hit with felony charges. In that investigation for selling pardons in exchange for cash and this all happens after the election after blanton knows he's leaving office right when he's in this lame duck period before the new governor is going to get sworn in on january fourth during that lame duck period the local paper in nashville reports. That not only was the bribery. For pardons investigation ongoing. But the grand jury had heard tapes. Had tapes of the bribery exchanges. Happening people caught red-handed two days. After that appears in the nashville paper blunt himself admits to reporters that the fbi has told him directly that he himself not just his staffers who've been charged but he himself. The outgoing governor is a target of the fbi. A target of this federal bribery investigation. They said it's not just his. Aides is the governor himself that they believe was involved in selling pardons to state prisoners for money. And then something really amazing happened. Governor clinton having been basically caught in this scandal with his staffers under indictment including one who was arrested and frogmarched out of his office in the state capital governor rape linton having been told by the fbi that he himself was targeted this investigation. He just brushed it off and decided he was going to go whole hog. He was still the governor and he was going to get what people paid for. Just after eleven pm on monday night. And this is the last week that he's serving his term as governor. The inauguration of the new governor is scheduled for the following weekend on saturday. This is monday night. Before the inauguration between eleven pm and midnight governor rape lynn walks out of his office in the state capital and he announces that he just pardoned fifty two state prisoners. Twenty three of them were murderers. One of the murderers was the son of one of his major political supporters and donors. The son had only served a few months of his sentence for double murder. The guy had shot his wife and another person eighteen times. He put eighteen bullets in them and he did it with a two shot derringer pistol which many had to stop and reload that little pistol at least eight times in order to get all eighteen bullets into them when he killed them. He explained that he pardoned the guy because he thought it was probably a crime of passion. So the guy should just get time served reloaded eight times. The governor at this point has less than a week office. He is under investigation under federal investigation for selling pardons and he does this fifty two of them including more than twenty murderers. That happens late on monday night before. That saturday inauguration tuesday morning tennessee wakes up to this news and is somewhat astonished that he's doing this right while he's under fbi investigation for doing this sort of thing for money wall. His staffers are under arrest for allegedly being the bag. Men taking money for him on this so monday night. He announces these pardons tuesday. The state of tennessee is like what is going on. What just happened here and then wednesday the next day the us attorney top federal prosecutor. Leaving that case in tennessee all of thirty seven years old himself a democrat appointed by democratic president. Jimmy carter that. Us attorney gets a call from the fbi and the fbi tells him that before blanton goes before. The new governor gets sworn in on saturday to replace clinton the f. b. i. has word they have indications that governor ray blanton is going to issue a bunch more partnerships including all the rest of the cases that led to the bribery charges and that are the subject of the ongoing bribery investigation of which he is a target in other words between that day and the day. He finally has to leave office the following saturday. The fbi believes he's going to make good on the bribes that were already arranged for those pardons. He in fact is going to sell them off and wants. People were pardoned. It's not like you can do anything about it. You can't take it back so the. Us attorney gets this intel from the fbi on wednesday and the us attorney. Does something quite extraordinary that wednesday afternoon. He calls up the republican thirty eight years old. The new young guy who was just elected governor to replace plant and the guy who was due to be sworn in on saturday. He calls lamar alexander and tells him on the phone the way he quoted himself later to a newspaper describing when he said he said to lamar alexander. I think you've got to take office early in order to stop. What's going on inauguration for the new guys and supposed to be for another three days at this point this wednesday. The inauguration is until saturday but that day that wednesday when the attorney calls. Lamar alexander thought that totally uncowed brazenly criminal governor was going to deliver on his bribes in a way that would be legally irreversible and so the us attorney and the legislature that the leaders of legislature and lamar alexander and the democrats in office alongside clinton. Who weren't part of these schemes. They all spend the day scouring state law and looking into exactly terms. That set that inauguration date for saturday how farmers that turns out it was a little woolly. Maybe not that farm and by god they did it. They kept it wraps over the course of that day that wednesday they summoned to the capital. Press court the state supreme court that night without telling the reporters what they were coming in to see and surprise what they were there to see was the swearing in of this new governor. Three days early without telling the guy who still thought he had the job. They didn't tell blatant until after lamar. Alexander was already sworn in because they didn't want him to know his term was ending three days earlier than the expected. They didn't want him to be able to deliver those allegedly bought and paid for pardons before he went. It was absolutely bizarre and of course it was national news. Ray blanton expected to be governor of tennessee until saturday but the state hastily replaced him last night. By swearing in a new governor. Three days early because in blanton's last days in office he was releasing huge numbers of convicts a mistake. Prisons including murderers and plan to release. More kenley. jones was in nashville. These are not very happy days for tennessee. This is not a happy day for me with that. Republican governor lamar alexander was sworn into office three days early to prevent the outgoing governor democrat. Ray blanton from freeing anymore state prisoners earlier this week blanton commuted the sentences of fifty two prisoners including some murderers and was reportedly considering the release of at least eighteen others before he was stopped when blanton look of the swearing in last night after it was over he denied he done anything wrong and said he was hurt. There is such a thing as courtesy. And i would have thought that there would have been a little bit of courtesy. Informing me the action before it happened. Several officials batons administration or the targets of federal grand jury investigation into payoffs pardons and paroles of state prisoners. Latin himself was called to testify before the grand jury at a news conference today. The new governor said information given him by the us district attorney is what led to the early swearing in. He told me that he had substantial reason to believe. The governor was about to release one more persons from the state prisons. Who were the targets of the united states investigation and the payoffs to release people from our prisoners. He asked me to take office in order. Who had like zander. Said there is nothing he can do about the release of prisoners earlier. This week while was still governor has said he does not intend to run for political office again. A state legislature here was quoted as saying. It's a good thing because the people of tennessee will never pardon him for what he has done. The people will never pardon him for what he has done. Remarkable story right new governor surprise. Sworn in early to stop what was believed to be a crime in progress that would be irreversible if it was allowed to go forward ray blanton. Staffers did do prison. Time for their role in selling gubernatorial pardons for cash in the state of tennessee. Flinton himself that a couple of years in federal prison for extortion and conspiracy putting other official acts up for sale while he was governor. He was apparently also selling things like liquor licenses for the low low cost of at twenty. Three thousand dollar bribe slipped into his pocket and in one thousand nine hundred. a fair. To middling sec- spacex was made about the whole scandal with space starring as the head of the state. Parole board who blew the whistle on the scandal when she realized that parole and clemency was being sold. She's the one who called the fbi and blend of course did his best to destroy her for it in the end. Marie gianatti is the one who got the hollywood movie made about her governor. Ray blanton is the one who went to prison and then died young his last job working at a car dealership and selling prefab metal buildings. The united states senate saw some big interesting changes today mark. Kelly was sworn into the arizona. Us senate seat formerly held by senator. John mccain kelly's swearing in marks the first time since the nineteen fifties that arizona has had to democrats. And it's two senate seats at the same time. The senate today got a farewell address from senator named lamar alexander the same lamar alexander who was just absolutely flummoxed that call he got from the. Us attorney on that wednesday in january forty. One years ago telling him that he was going to have to take office three days early to stop that corrupt outgoing governor from giving out irrevocable pardons that were illegally bought and paid for. They needed him to take office to stop a crime in progress. Lamar alexander did not want to do that. But he did it at the request of law enforcement. Lamar alexander would serve two terms as governor tennessee. That weird start. He served three terms in the united states. Senate now eighty years old and retiring from public service. He made a plea for bipartisan cooperation. As his closing speech in the us senate today one of the things that speech will be remembered for. Today's that the top republican in the senate mitch. Mcconnell broke down in tears. Saying goodbye to senator alexander today mitch. Mcconnell was actually quite unable to compose himself who's very very upset and his his his remarks saying goodbye to his friend but it is just a remarkable snake eating its tail or maybe a puppy chasing its tail moment for history for lamar alexander to have entered the national spotlight in public life because of a brazen fearless outgoing official lame duck official accused of corrupting the pardon process for his own benefit. That's how he entered national news for the first time ever and now today. Lamar alexander leaves the national spotlight in public life amid a brazen maybe fearless outgoing lame duck official accused of corrupting the pardon process. This time federally for his own purposes after the new york times reported last night that president trump has discussed issuing blanket preemptive pardon to his eldest son junior to his second son eric. The blonde one to his son in law jared kushner and his daughter. Ivanka trump after that was reported last night for the new york times tonight we learned from court filing first reported by cnn reporter. Kyra scandal that. Ivanka trump was deposed yesterday in the district of columbia case brought by the attorney general there over alleged misuse of funds by the trump inaugural committee. You'll remember that the illegal funneling foreign money into the trump inaugural committee was already the subject of one of the successful federal prosecutions that derived from the muller investigation a man named samuel patten convicted in conjunction with illegal foreign money being brought into the trump inaugural now now this one in dc which yvonne could trump was just opposed. This is not a federal case. One brought by the attorney general in the district of columbia but the documents just released in that case show. Not only that vonk. At trump was deposed in this case yesterday but the head of trump's inaugural committee tom barrack huge trump donor. He was deposed in this case not two weeks ago. The documents released by the court related to this case today. Also show that first lady. Melania trump has been subpoenaed in conjunction with this case again led massive misuse of funds for the trump inaugural. Now i should mention this is separate from the new york state investigation that has reportedly zeroed in on the trump organization making allegedly illegal payments to ivanka trump and then writing them off for tax purposes. That's a separate matter entirely. But one. In which ms ivanka trump also appear to be in the crosshairs and it should be noted that the president can only issue pardons for federal crimes not for crimes or for kind of the kind of case that's being brought in the district of columbia over the inaugural committee here but in the past forty eight hours. We have learned that the. Us justice department has been investigating some kind of alleged cash for pardon scheme involving the president's pardon powers and clemency powers involving officials at the white house. We have learned that the president is actively discussing preemptive pardons for all of his children and we have learned that the president has recently been inactive. Discussions about also pardoning preemptively his made for tv lawyer rudy giuliani who was reported to have been under federal criminal investigation as recently as this past summer before we suddenly stopped hearing about that. And then attorney. General william barr fired the prosecutor who was overseeing that office and sdn why that was apparently leading that investigation. And now tonight. This is how the president started talking in a truly bizarre speech posted live on facebook that originated from the actual white house. It's been is a big investigation in washington and new york and anyplace else. That can investigate. Because that's what they wanna do. They wanna take not me but us down then. We can never let them do that. Everything's been looked at friend of mine. Who's very smart said. You've probably seen more than anybody else. You've probably been investigated more than anybody else. And for you to come out with a clean. Bill of health makes you probably the cleanest person in this country. Some people in this administration but fortunately not all have been beaten down in disparaged. they just disappeared. just disappeared. The people who you thought would protect you from the president tonight made this long rambling forty six minute. Facebook statement from the white house in which most of the time was spent Making wild and false allegations that somehow. He didn't just lose reelection but he did. And no before you ask no. They can't move up. The federal inauguration day for a new president the way they did for that governor in tennessee back in nineteen seventy nine. The presidential inauguration date is in the constitution. That's not changing no matter who wants to change it the only way. The presidential handover of power might materially change. This year is if president. Trump is persuaded that he needs not just pardons for his his whole family. But if he's persuaded that he needs a pardon himself the way he's talking about how he's the cleanest person in the entire country but the investigations just won't stop of. Sounds like he may be coming around to that frame of mind. Any president trying to pardon himself would be legally suspect would be the first time that's ever happened. And there's no guarantee that it would hold up if the president really believes that he needs a pardon himself conceivably he might decide. He needs to resign before january twentieth. So mike pence would briefly become president. In that short time mike pence could then issue a trump pardon mean conceivably. Try something like that. Which would alter the course. Of how the presidential handoff of power is going to happen. Something like that would be inconceivable at any other time but this is the time that we're living through right now and i think there's no reason to consider anything off the table if nothing quite that. Dramatic happens is suppose. We'll just keep stretching this out another forty nine days wondering about that. Justice department investigation into selling selling pardons wondering. What else might happen. What else he might try to break as he leaves it. Terms of the republican party's own political interests. This is what some of the breakage looks like. Tonight where's cello offer here. Where's david verdoux oughta be standing right here. People won't vote then they oughta tell you what we're excelling. Brian kamm get a special session of the legislature. Now to these full twice. This is georgia. We ain't dome. We're not going to go. Vote on january machine made by china. You're not going to fool georgia's again if you offer won't vote it. Gave him purdue your vote. They've got earning dave gotcha demands publicly rookie. Heatedly consistently brian. Kim call a special session of the georgia legislature. And if they do not do if kelly law for david verdoux do not do it. They have not earned. Vote don't you don't you give him your vote. Don't you give them your. we're not dumb. Don't be fooled twice. We're going to go vote on january fifth for those republican senators. This post election. Act by which rudy. Giuliani appears to be singing for his supper dancing for his chance. At a pardon from the president has now devolved into fairly crazed political environment in which the lawyers really are actively telling trump supporting republican voters including the guy wearing the mega hat. While he doesn't telling them they should not vote for the republicans. Who are up for senate seats in georgia. next month. they shouldn't go out and votes shouldn't get fooled twice. We won't vote the way. They voted in georgia. I mean those two senate seats will determine whether republicans or democrats are in control in the senate. They'll determine whether or not mitch. Mcconnell is running the senator chuck schumer is. There is a sharpening divergence. Now between the interest of the republican party and the interest of the president what he sees as his interests and what his strange and in some cases desperate lawyers are doing to try to please him given what he sees as his interests. Nobody quite knows what republicans are prepared to do about this divergence between what the president wants for himself and with the republican party needs to hold onto power. As the effort to defy the election results by the president gets more liberal and weird and more failed and also more dangerous to the republican party's interests the president could sort of let it wither right. Could let it sort of drain off into the weird facebook nether regions in which it lives now but he does appear to be trying to revivify it. This three quarters of an hour long screed from the white house tonight and yes. It had to be carried live on facebook. Facebook bless your hearts because who else is going to run this much. Dangerous lying designed to unwired the democracy of the united states of america. Facebook will do it. I mean that's what's going on at the top of the federal government right now. That's what this lame duck period is and you know this is. This is the united states of america. This isn't some podunk corrupt dixie. Crat tennessee governor selling off surplus state cars and liquor licenses and handing out pardons for his friend's sons for twenty thousand dollars in a paper bag. This isn't that this is the dressed up twenty twenty federal iteration of that in another lame duck period and in this case with no clear way to stop it and the most important difference between then and now between there and here is that. This time we're living through right now is happening while this is happening to. This is the hospitalization numbers right now. Nationwide we thought it couldn't get any worse than it wasn't a spring right. He's the numbers on the cova tracking project. This is today's daily duffle. Two thousand seven hundred thirty three americans dead in a day. We are very quickly heading toward three thousand. Americans dead hannah day toward the number of americans who died in nine eleven dying every day today while the president was doing. His energizer bunny destroys democracy. Speech at the white house carried live on facebook. I'll swear at the white house. We learned that. The coronavirus taskforce is now advising local public health officials that they should go rogue and they should defy bad local leadership at the municipal or state level if they need to because they now need to start telling the american people a very blunt message the white house corona virus taskforce now advising local public health officials that they need to tell the local population where they are. Whatever else is happening with local leadership. They need to tell people where they are. If you are over sixty-five and you have a health condition. Do not enter any public space where anyone is unmasked. If you are over sixty-five or have any significant health conditions do not enter any indoor public states. Where people are on mask if you're under the age of forty and you gathered with people you don't live with over thanksgiving. The white house is now telling local public officials to advise people under forty who gathered if people they didn't live with during thanksgiving that they must assume that they became infected over the thanksgiving holiday. You are now dangerous to others and you must isolate. Even though you likely do not have symptoms these things are happening all at once a careening proverbial car crash with no obvious and in the white house and no easy way to end it and country hitting a brick wall in terms of the sheer numbers of deaths and the sheer scale of hospitalizations. That we do not know how to handle all at once. There is not going to be a hollywood ending hair. No matter what hi. I'm trevor noah of the daily show. Trevor noah which is also a pod cost. Did you missed last night's episode catch up with the daily show with. Trevor noah is addition. 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Take all betting pool for supervisors and managers to wager. How many employees would test positive for covid nineteen now. Tyson seemed to respond to that allegation. The lawsuit quite seriously. They suspended plant managers at that waterloo plant. The ones who were allegedly betting on. How many their employees would catch this deadly disease. They also hired an outside law firm to conduct an investigation led by former. Us attorney general. Eric holder The ceo of tyson flew waterloo iowa to talk to workers there in person so this gravely serious allegations in that lawsuit the company with a serious response. Well now that same lawsuit has been amended with another new and dramatic allegation about what workers say happened at that waterloo. Plant at the height of its outbreak. The families suing tyson say plant managers at the waterloo. Plant deliberately gave false information to non-english-speaking workers according to the complaint the time tyson had knowledge that it was spreading through the plant. They instructed interpreters to tell non-english-speaking employees quote everything is fine and tell them that county health officials had quote cleared the plant to continue operations. Neither of those things was true. The complaint says the county health department told tyson around that time that actually they needed to close the plant ultimately more than a third of the workforce at that plant caught it. Now tyson's response to this. Newest terrible allegation is less forthcoming than that. It was the first one they have declined to comment specifically on this matter citing the ongoing litigation. They did say they provided cova training and education to employers in multiple languages though. So there's that question is what is what you told them in multiple languages what happened at that one plant in iowa more than thousand people infected at least six dead. We're still getting to the bottom. And just how bad this was but also becoming clear is that the disaster at that plant was exacerbated not just by the alleged very callous behavior of the company toward its employees but by the state of iowa to totally bought into everything. The company told them there's a blistering column in the gazette newspaper today in iowa just the local paper. They're written by todd dorman. That lays the blame for what happened to that. Waterloo plant. not just at the feet of tyson foods. But at the governor's feet as well governor. Kim reynolds iowa because tyson wasn't just telling its employees that everything was fine while the virus spreading rampantly inside that plant. They were telling the governor that too and she was happily lapping it up. When local health officials were begging tyson to shut its doors to protect its employees. The governor said that she opposed the plants shutting down around the time tyson. Plant managers were allegedly betting on the health and safety of their employees while they were allegedly deliberately lying to them about whether the county had cleared the plant for it to be safe. Governor reynolds said that she talked to the executives at tyson who assured her that tyson was doing everything they could to protect. its workforce. Yeah everything you know including a winner-take-all betting how many people would get sick and die the consequences of what happened in iowa earlier. This year didn't end when that tyson plant eventually did get shut down to try to get the virus under control by that point. Thousands of people were infected. The pork plant workers took the virus home to their families spread it to their friends into their community today. Daily cova deaths in iowa are near there all time. High november was. I always deadliest months since the pandemic began like so much of the country. Iowa is in trouble like much less of the country and we know we're a lot of that troubles started joining us. Now is tony thompson. Who is the sheriff in black hawk county iowa which is where the plant is located. He's somebody we check back in with frequently in april when so many of the employees that were getting sick chef thompson. It's really nice to see you again. Thanks for joining us again. This is my pleasure to be with you. Thank you let me just ask you how things are right now in black hawk county obviously so much of the country right now is looking at unsustainable numbers and scary numbers. How are things right now. You're part of iowa. I think it's the same as what the rest of the country is dealing with. You know obviously. This is a scary time. I'm and covert surging again. we we just have different culprits. Now it's more of a shotgun approach than it was one particular plant that was spreading it. you know in our community now it's everywhere in and that's frustrating on more of a global scale. Yeah and it's frustrating both strategically in terms of how you do it but also just because trying to stop it at. The outset wasn't enough. And you you were one of the local officials calling for that tyson plant in waterloo to close down when they were insisting on staying open now that that is being literally litigated in the families of workers who were killed are are bringing suit against the company and all these very scary allegations are coming out. I just have to ask your your response to some of these new allegations. That are coming out of this lawsuit about how tyson was handling the outbreak. Does it does it jive with what you saw at the time. It absolutely stinks. What we saw when we walk through the plant it syncs with what we were getting at my emergency operation center. Some of the the information that caused us to go into the to begin with It's you know y when tyson said yes. We had education training. Add videos up that we're talking about. Hey wash your hands in multiple languages and and wear masks even though less than maybe a third of of the plant was actually wearing masks When we walked through We had Family members of even usda inspector's telling us that Plant management was telling them that they weren't asks because it was scaring employees and and things of that nature so there was a lot of things going on that caused us in predicated us to want to be in the plant And visit the plant. Back there in october in april rather and so it certainly Syncs up with with some of that information back then. The accountability is part of this. But obviously it's not like this is over The response continues. Accountability is part of it. But telling the truth about what happens is the first step there Tony thompson from black hawk county in iowa sir again come back anytime. We'd love to stay a price on how things are in your neck of the woods. Thanks for helping us understand mercosur. All right Coming up next. We're gonna talk about something that is not getting a lot of national attention and i think ought to There's a lot of noise about the president is doing around pardons and his family and potential criminality right now. There's also the question of what the president is doing to kinda wreck the federal government and its way out the door. A big important part of that is the subject of our next story. Stay with us. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because i'm not famous but i did start a men's grooming company called harry's the idea for came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch. At harry's our approach is simple. 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I think it's not getting more attention. Is that. I think nobody really understands why it's happening. But i do think it requires some scrutiny. Basic question is this. Why with forty nine days left in office is president trump stacking the top ranks of the pentagon with forgive me a bunch of junior level. Screw balls you'll recall. Trump hosted his defense secretary by tweet less than a week after the election. He then put a new guy in charge of policy at the pentagon who says president. Obama is a terrorist leader. That installed three different guys that were at the heart of the whole thing. Trump said obama wiretaps trump tower. Three junior staffers who made up the heart of that whole debacle are now the chief of staff at the pentagon the top legal counsel at the nsa and the chief of intelligence at the pentagon and that last guy the pentagon intelligence chief all thirty four years old. He's now not only the pentagon's intelligence chief he's also in charge of well. You can't quite believe it. Trump's new last minute lame duck defense secretary appointee just changed the structure of the military. So that special ops special operations think like they all now report to that thirty four year old guy and now that thirty four year old guide. The junior staffer who's running the pentagon's intelligence special intelligence operations and special ops is name is ezra cohen. Now he's just been given even more responsibility. The trump administration has now suddenly without warning ousted. The head of the defense department's defeat isis task force. This is an intelligence officer who's worked counterterrorism jobs in the us government for two decades. His whole defeat. Isis office has been disbanded and his responsibilities have been handed over to trump's brand new junior level appointees as cohen and the obama is a terrorist leader. Guy those guys are taking over the responsibilities from the guy who was running the operations against isis. The official that trump just fired the head of the defeat. Isis task force The times notes that his office was quote in the midst of answering questions from the incoming biden administration about the status of terrorist threats relations with allies and counterterrorism missions. The elimination of that office. That central hub will quote almost certainly slow the flow of counterterrorism information to biden transition aides. Top of all this. The trump administration is also now saying that the annual defense budget should zero out all anti isis work. This of course is right on the heels of disbanding the task force that is supposed to be fighting isis and ousting. Its top official. Why is all of this happening in the lame duck. We don't know what the end game here is or why they're going out of their way in the lame duck to make these very very significant changes. That are getting almost no attention. I'm hoping that my next guest may be able to shed some light on. What is going on here or what. This might mean at least what to watch for next. Stay with us before. She became a member of congress. Elissa slot can served as acting assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs. She oversaw us policy. On russia europe the middle east and africa and the obama administration. She has years of defense and intelligence experience. Now as a member of congress from the great state of michigan elissa slatkin sits on both the armed services committee and the homeland security committee. congressman flock. joins us. Live tonight congressman. It's great to see. Thanks very much for making time tonight. Thanks for having me. So i have been watching with. Sort of quite consternation The changes at the top levels of the pentagon since the election since march espa was fired as defense secretary just after the election i spoke with a number of experts and a couple of them suggested that i talked to you to try to get your take on what you think. This might mean Or whether you see any sort of rhyme to this reason in terms of what might be behind these changes. Yeah when we see this many removals on it's like is one of three things right one. You can always wonder if there's gross negligence. If there's a problem with all of these different folks. I i i do not believe. That's the issue but there's always a reason why lots of people get fired out once number two is because you're trying to clear the obstacles to do something operationally that maybe those folks didn't want you to do an argued against and number three is just pure pettiness freight is that you know people stood in the way the president on his way out the door. He was going to make a point that if you weren't loyal to him if you work supportive of him he was going to get rid of you. Input in people who were a lot of arrows point to the last one but we do have to watch out for what the president might be interested in doing his last forty nine days. And i know there's a lot of people are concerned about it. I tend to believe that this is really mostly about pettiness though but it does have strategic consequences. Very few people know what the office of the secretary of defense is. It's the civilian part. The pentagon that provides civilian oversight over the military. It's designed that way for generations. It's been that way. And when you completely gutted in organization and putting people who are just loyalist to the president of it basically sort of undercuts that civilian control and certainly if you're a uniform military you wanna know that the decisions that are being made about have real oversight someone's really thought through them and thought about the consequences and i just. There's no way that's going on right now. With the folks that they put the official who was most recently ousted the head of the defeat. Isis task force his not. Somebody who's got a high profile name. It's even the the position is not a high profile thing. Christopher maher's his name. But the i was struck by reporting the new york times that one of the things that he has been doing is that he's been essentially point person within the pentagon briefing the incoming biden folks on counter terrorism matters about isis specifically but also more broadly in the biden transition. Folks are worried that him being ousted. Maybe some effort to try to basically fluster their ability to get up to speed on counterterrorism methods. Can terrorism matters in in. A seamless way Yeah i worked closely with chris maher. He's a wonderful civil servant. he's worked for both democratic and republican administrations. And i helped him set up the defeat isis task force so i feel very strongly about his capability and obviously this is horrible that this is going on for him. I don't know if there's a if the intent was just to make it difficult for the biden team to get their information honestly particularly since they're also trying to zero out the money for the defeat isis task force in those activities. It feels like the president is trying to burnish his sort of legacy You know what we took care of isis. That was on my watch. Were done with that. And it was more of a symbol in that way but it is true. I've been a part of two transitions now between different administrations and you need competent people who do the free things and the updates walk you through. Current threats and chris would have been fantastic. I knew that and it's going to be a big gap that he's gone congresswoman from michigan former senior pentagon official. You are uniquely placed to help us understand the implications of these weird moves. Thanks for helping us understand. I appreciate it all right. We'll be right back tonight. stay with us. I mentioned at the top of the show this late breaking news that we've just learned that ivanka trump was deposed yesterday in the case brought by the attorney general of washington. Dc over alleged misuse of funds by the trump inaugural Also learned from this court documents tonight. That first lady. Melania trump has also been subpoenaed in that case We believe that that case was brought by the attorney general there in large part based on documents and materials that were handed over to that. Ag by stephanie. Winston woolcock was longtime friend of lonnie trump Who wrote a tell all book called milania and me that came out earlier this year that case and those materials have never been more relevant than they are right now. We have just learned that stephanie. Winston walk-off is going to be joining us here. Live exclusively tomorrow night. Talk more about that. I was cnn. The show weeknights at nine eastern on. Msnbc hey guys. Willie geist here this week on the sunday. Sit down podcast. I get together with hollywood icon al pacino for a cruise around beverly hills and a conversation about his legendary fifty year career. You can get that now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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Local officials struggle with fallout of negligent COVID-19 response

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Local officials struggle with fallout of negligent COVID-19 response

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. Msnbc happy to have you with us so if you've been watching the show of the past few weeks you know we've been trying to stay in touch with frontline health providers throughout this crisis. I think that's sort of you. Know a no brainer. They ought to be at the center of our understanding of what's really grasping the country right now. What we're going through what it means to have over a million corona virus cases and climbing what it means to have had over sixty thousand Americans die from this Just in a matter of weeks without number still just climbing relentlessly. The president's son-in-law who is a senior White House adviser with no fixed responsibilities. Jared Kushner just went on TV today and called the American Corona Virus. Catastrophe a quote. Great Success Story for the trump administration. It is not obviously with the hugest outbreak on earth. Even though we had the luxury of weeks even months of warning that it was coming with now more Americans dead in less than two months than died in all the years of the Vietnam War. It is not a great success story for America. It is certainly not a great success story for the administration that has not been leading a response. So I mean you've probably noticed the pattern here right. We've tried to steer clear of the happy talk weirdness. As much as we can reasonably avoid from Washington and instead we have tried to focus almost on a daily basis on the American doctors and nurses and health providers who are in the middle of it who are really risking their lives to keep the rest of US alive they of course are also the ones who will pay most acutely for any decisions that we and our government make in terms of accelerating the spread of the virus again by stopping the stay at home orders and reopening non essential businesses. We don't have a vaccine for this. We don't have a treatment for this. The only thing we can do is stay apart from other people to stop the virus spreading so fast. That's the only thing we've got. That is really the only way we can piling dying Americans by the thousands and tens of thousands into the arms of our doctors and nurses. Who are doing the hardest work on earth fighting to keep people alive in the biggest corona virus epidemic on earth. So we've tried to stay in touch with them. We've tried to keep hearing from them on their own terms as much as we can but tonight. Here's one that I want you to see That did not come to us because we asked a doctor or a nurse to put on a on a Gopro or grab their their phone and make a video for us. This is something that we got from Waterloo community television in Black Hawk County Iowa. And I'll just tell you the reason I want to show this to you. Is That my God? If there's one thing I have seen in about a week that has made me sit down and try to figure out if I'm doing enough if there's anything else that I can do. I think it was seeing this. Maybe that's in part because I'm not sure anybody involved in this ever thought it would be seen outside Black Hawk County Iowa. Here's county on a map if you WANNA picture it Here's the Big Tyson. Meat Processing Plant there were apparently hundreds of people got infected on the job and the state kept the plant. Open any way through last week now. Little Black Hawk County Iowa population one hundred thirty thousand in the whole county now because of the outbreak that started in that plant. They've got over thirteen hundred corona virus cases in that county and they've got a climbing death toll and no they don't have a ton of healthcare resources in that county they just don't they're not designed for a pandemic but that is what they are coping with now and so. I want you to meet tonight. the medical director of one of their local clinics. Dr Sharon to close this Waterloo community. Television when you hear the the White House or Conservative. Tv your home. State Governor Brag about how things are better over this and this isn't New York City here and trying to stop. This virus is worse than the virus itself. Just introduce them to Dr Duclos in the middle of Iowa. Thank God there are a lot of people that have not been personally touched by this and thank God. There are a lot of people out there. That don't know somebody that has been personally touched by this but for people who work in the healthcare profession. They are the front lines of this and they've had to go through that emotional roller coaster a feeling the way that's coming initially. You know it's coming. You're watching New York City. You're watching all that that you go through but your distance away you're seeing it but not really feeling it. You feel sympathy. You're like oh my gosh. That's just so I'm so sorry for them. But you're still over here filling a okay and then it gets a little closer and then it starts to hit your community and then we saw the surge and then we felt that emotional. Okay here comes. This wave is now coming. Here comes as soon Nami and then you change a little bit more as far as working around how many positions cannot change to really take care of this wave of people that say come in and as you do that then you're trying to take care of your staff who start to feel like they start to get sick and so as a wave comes in and you have a portion of your staff? That's out because you're worried about illness and they don't feel well so you get over that and then people go into the hospital and then finally finally you start to see the death and I think that's the thing that really gets you. Is you see the impact on the family who have to sit at home and can't be with their loved one. Who HAVE TO FACE TOM as somebody is going through one of the most traumatic experiences of their life. We're GONNA facetime and that's the part that finally gets very overwhelming and I know in our organization that is what we're feeling and that's what I've been feeling and it's hard because you start to go through the grief of realizing again this is not a sprint. It's a marathon. You have to set your mind to work on your stamina. And the governor announces the opening now more than ever and especially in Black Hawk County Black Hawk County. The social distance thing is so important and for me it is I think about. What would the person say to me? Who just died from this? How would they advocate helping? Other people not go through what they just went through. So that's what I think about so for the other businesses churches restaurants. Think about your community and think about your actions and think about how you can best serve the greater good and really really work on social distancing because I can tell you it is a heavy load to carry in my biggest fear as I encourage my staff to come to work every day and be compassionate and help people. It's my biggest fear is I'M GONNA lose one of them and that I have to carry on my shoulders because I'm asking them to do a service that I realize. It is very hard and I'm asking them. I know they've got that pit in the middle of their stomach and you get up and you come to work and you think okay. This is today. So please work on the social distancing. Please help people out so the number of deaths that we have to endure are minimized as much as they can. That's my plead today. Thank you so the number of deaths that we have to endure. I memorized as much as they can. Black Hawk County Iowa Waterloo Iowa the impact on the doctors there. That's the medical director one of their clinics. That's what happens when you get a big outbreak of hundreds of cases that happens among the people who work at a meat processing plant somewhere in America. And it's not just a food supply chain issue. It's not just an issue of the economics of those plants. It's not even just the immense tragedy of hundreds of people from the same workplace all getting sick and a number of them starting to die. I mean these huge outbreaks of hundreds of cases in the places where we're getting big outbreaks at meat plants at prisons at big jails at nursing homes at all the places we now know we. Americans are doing the worst job keeping other people alive and keeping them from being infected all the places we are seeing these the worst outbreaks these are not islands of individual failure were these infections. Explosions are confined within the four walls. And these facilities. These are all outbreaks of a very contagious communicable disease that then creates not only immense infection inside the facility but a large outbreak of new infection and then mild illness and severe illness and ultimately death around wherever those facilities are and that is what then pours into and pours over whatever hospital and health and ultimately more resources there are in that area and that is why it is more than just bad that the places that have so many of these huge outbreaks often tend to be the places politically that want to open stuff up the fastest or who never shut down non-essential businesses and told people to stay at home in the first place has the incidents of healthcare workers coming down or testing positive for Kobe. Nineteen our operations and the answer to that is yes. We have nurses that are being exposed to it. We have lots of people that that that are are getting tested now and it's not just unity. Point Clinic Healthcare workers across the Cedar Valley. So it's every one of our organizations and the nursing homes and and anybody involved in health care that's where we're starting to see the numbers start to climb so that that's a major problem and as we continue to see surge in the hospital. We are moving more resources and more people into the hospital to try to address the the care that that our patients need. They're and they're doing the same thing. Et Mercy One So that's taking more patient or more nurses and staff and putting them directly in harm's way To Take Care of the patients that need to be taken care of. He's the medical director at the main hospital. In Waterloo Iowa they just had a built second respiratory clinic at that facility because of the high volume of patients that are now surging into that hospital in acute respiratory need because they are covert patients with that unfolding in Black Hawk county including now starting to lose healthcare staff as the patient numbers surge in the hospitals and the clinics with the Sioux city. Iowa area also being another place in that state with one of the fastest growing outbreaks on the planet. Right now with that problem. They've got in Black Hawk county with the problem. They've got around Sioux City Iowa. Republican Governor Kate Reynolds this week is ordering businesses and I want to open up and she has now threatened workers in the state of Iowa that if for some reason they are afraid of unsafe conditions at their workplace. If you're worried that the way your workplace is set up poses a risk of you. Get an getting infected on the job. Well tough according to your governor. You have to go anyway. The Governor is ordering businesses back open and going a step further explicitly ordering that if you believe your workplace isn't safe and so you don't show up for work. She will zero out any unemployment benefits that you have been getting governor. Pete Ricketts also Republican governor in Nebraska is doing the same thing to working people in his state as well but this is what's emerging as Republican Party policy or maybe strategy. Now that we've got over sixty thousand Americans dead. The New York Times today reporting on quote network of Conservative leaders donors and organizations that has launched a legal onslaught against state and local restrictions intended to slow the spread of the Corona Virus Times further reporting that these conservative groups mounting this effort have become emboldened in recent days by ever more explicit signs that us. Attorney General William Bar and the Justice Department may take their side to help them legally dismantle public health efforts to slow the virus and to limit the death toll. And they're doing this because because I well. They're this is what they're doing. Because that's how the administration and the Republican Party and the conservative media are going to want to go down in history here sixty thousand Americans dead. Yes sounds like a good start. What else can we do? It's it's one thing if this had been there take from the outset right before American started dying in huge numbers We're GONNA legally challenge anything you do to try to slow this virus or slow the death toll from piling up that we would be one thing if they are taking that stance from the very beginning but they didn't take that snitch in the beginning this increasingly is there unified position now now that this many Americans have died this quickly. Now that we've outpaced by four months. The date by which the favored White House model said. We'd hit this many Americans dead. They said we may be hit. Sixty one thousand Americans dead the first week in August well. It's still April and here. We are so now what they really want to put the screws to the doctors and the nurses and the hospitals. Let's see how high we can? Get the body count. Let's see how many people we can get infected all at the same time. It's just now now is the time. It's just incredible to see to live through this. It is hard to imagine what would be appropriate political accountability at the ballot. Box for people. Who are doing this at some point. But that's where we are. That's where the Republican Party is. The conservative media is the administration it so the president issued this executive order late last night. Mandating the opening of meat processing plants across the country. Technically despite the hype in the way they build it. He didn't really order meat. Plants to stay open. He basically just moved to block any state from being able to close. But just think about this for one hot second why how meat plants been closing all over the place and right. Why did he plants been closing? It's not like it's been some blue state plot to make everybody a Vegan or to make meatpacking look bad. These plants have been closing in all of these different states all over the country for one very simple very consistent reason because these facilities are in the elite the very top rung of the places in America where the most people are being infected. The most quickly by this virus they have proved to be an incredibly efficient location for creating enormous outbreaks of Corona virus and all of the subsequent hospitalizations and deaths that come from that mean to the point where otherwise STOIC doctors in the heartland who has never been known before to cry in public right. Medical Directors of hospitals in northeastern Iowa are weeping in public over the toll on their doctors and nurses right the public. Please do social distancing. Even though the governor's telling you it's all find open up now to the point where today the county health director there just could barely get it out to all the frontline staff especially our healthcare providers. Thank you for everything that you are doing. We value every single effort. You make to save every life. This is a very difficult time. So if you see me emotional. It's just because it's very difficult and I want everybody to take this very seriously cove. It has had a huge impact on the community. As much as I hear you know with the communication that things are opening up. What I'm asking for Black Hawk. County is to please continue to implement these preventive measures. I need you all to not give up. I know it's been very difficult but please do not give up by staying home. You are saving life. That's what is happening in northeastern Ohio. After the outbreak there that started in their Tyson meat. Plant which employs thousands of people there. But that's what's happening in America right now with this epidemic in Weld County Colorado where the local Republican Board of Supervisors is demanding that all businesses opened up and no statewide orders. Apply TO THEM. Weld County Colorado. They've got one of the worst infection rates in the state in that county in part because of an outbreak of unknown size at a six thousand person J. B. S. meet plan senator in Colorado. Cory Gardner has been bragging recently about his role in directing five thousand tests to that plant. They realized they had a real problem. There well five thousand still wouldn't be enough to test everybody who works at that plan but in any case the plant did not even try to test all of its workers before reopening this past week already. Five people who work there are dead already. The local health system in in that part of Colorado is is raising the alarm about the strain. They are facing in terms of the surge into northern Colorado hospitals because they've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases there now but the plant is back up and running in Minnesota. Today governor. Tim Walls visited a plant in the town Worthington. Minnesota that has hundreds of cases associated with it too. There's no reason for Nobles County Minnesota to have over six hundred corona virus cases except for the fact that they've got a pork plant there were apparently hundreds of people have been infected on the job because of the way that plant is set up in Dakota County Nebraska. There's a Tyson plant there that didn't report its first case until April Twelfth. Which is not that long ago. They had their first case April twelfth. They've got six hundred eight known cases in Crete Nebraska. Which I think is how you say it's C. R. E. T. Crete Nebraska. It's a small town of about seven thousand people about twenty five miles from Lincoln Nebraska. They've had at least four dozen employees tested positive as of this weekend and the plant had announced plans to close temporarily to claim the plant down and to try to come up with measures to keep workers safe but the plant reverse that decision and told the workers. Actually No. We're not going to shut down. We're GONNA stay open. And after they told the workers there that they had changed their mind. They're gonNA stay. Open the workers there at that plant walked off the job. An impromptu walkout not organized or approved by the Union. They just didn't know what else to do to try to get the company to make the necessary changes to keep them safe. There are actually fairly good up to date. Federal guidelines about how workplaces like this can be run without continuing to infect their workers by the dozens and the hundreds thereby creating large outbreaks of corona virus. All over the country wherever these plants exist and the guidelines are not rocket science but they are carefully derived by experts and they involve some expense and some stuff. The plants presumably. Don't want to do it. You know they tell them to consider slowing the line speeds down plans. Don't WanNa do that. Space the workers more than six feet apart. Don't have the workers work right across from each other facing each other. Provide everybody with maths disinfect. Everybody's hard hats and face shields every day slowdown or space outbreak. Times and shift times. So there isn't a time when everybody's cramped together in the same room or corridor. Let people wash their hands frequently? Hand sanitizer stations everywhere. I mean these guidelines make sense. They are certainly doable things. If we want to be a country that continues to have meat processing. They're only doable. With some considerable time and expense invested on the part of the people who own these plants. We know how this works at a regulatory environment. Right unless you mandate it. Unless you're require every plant to do these things you'll create a competitive disadvantage for any plant. That does this stuff. If the other plants don't because they don't have to because of that you have to make them all do it. You have to make a blanket rule. You have to make guidelines like that mandatory or not only will. There'll be some plants who don't do it because they want escape. You will economically disincentivize compliance even among plants. That might be inclined to do the right thing. You have to make these guidelines mandatory and universal or you will not get them and that is how functioning government would approach it. That is not what our government is doing instead today. We got a hold of this. It's the enforcement memo. That goes along with the president's late night executive order from last night which banned any state from shutting down and Meet Plant. This was the trump is ordering the meat plants open thing. It's really him blocking the states from shutting them down well since received the enforcement memos how they're actually going to do this and the enforcement memos says yes. There are these existing good. Cdc derived federal guidelines for how meat plants can operate without infecting all their employees. There are guidelines. There's ways to do it. But the enforcement memo for the President's executive order explicitly says the trump administration will not actually make any plant follow these guidelines quote. No part of the joint meat-processing guidance should be construed indicate that state and local authorities may direct a meat and poultry processing facility to close to remain closed or to operate in accordance with procedures Osha. We'll take into account good-faith attempts attempts to follow the joint meat-processing guidance. Just do your best you guys. I mean whenever really. It's whatever you think is best. Make a good faith effort. That's all we're looking for here. Give it the old college try when the h. One and one virus was rearing its head in two thousand nine. The administration decided That the guidelines for preventing the transmission of that virus would guidelines up in worked up by CDC and shut. The government decided the Obama Administration decided in two thousand and nine that those guidelines would be binding. You can do that through. The Department of Labor established an emergency temporary standard and you required in that case places like nursing homes and hospitals to follow those guidelines to prevent infection. Because that makes sense to do. You don't say these are the guidelines but nobody has to follow them that will ensure that nobody follows them instead. You create the guidelines and you make them mandatory. That's what they did with H. One on one and the Obama Administration takes a signature. There's no reason why the trump administration could not do exactly the same thing with the guidance. They have already drawn up for these meat. Plants that have infected theft of blue collar workers in this country and that have started to swamp the hospitals in working-class and middle-class rural communities all through the belt already they literally could just do it and likely save hundreds thousands arguably in the end tens of thousands of lives. They can do it with a stroke of a pen. Why aren't they doing it? We'll be right back ready to freshen up your hair-color Madison Reed has your back. They'll deliver a kit with everything you need including step by step instructions directly to your door. Each kid starts at just twenty two dollars and you can determine your perfect shade with Madison reads Color Quiz and online. Try on tool. How would you look as a blonde a Brunette? Maybe a redhead. You can virtually try on different colors all from the comfort of your home. 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It may not look like the normative experience we're used to seeing but that doesn't diminish its capacity. Were what I've actually delivered. Subscribe for free. Wherever you get your podcast a little over a week ago you might remember. We spoke with the Sheriff of Black Hawk County Iowa which is in the middle of a large and growing corona virus outbreak tied to the giant Tyson. Meat Packing plant in the town of Waterloo Black Hawk county at that point a week ago had three hundred and fifty six cases and three deaths They tied roughly half of those cases back to that one tyson meat. Plant the sheriff there. Along with the county board of Supervisors and the Board of Health and the mayor of Waterloo. They were all publicly begging Tyson. The plant's owner or Iowa's governor. Kay Reynolds to. Please shut that plant down. Given the impact that outbreak there was having on the surrounding community. The Sheriff said on this program last week quote. That plant is the biggest hole in our county defense right now and it's creating a risk to the entire population of my county well two days after we spoke to the sheriff last week. Tyson did finally closed down that plant. They closed it in part. They said because so many of the twenty seven hundred workers at that plant. Were out sick. The sheriff and the Waterloo mayor both welcomed the plant finally closing but both of them said they worried. It had come too late for their community. I was last week in Black Hawk. County here's the sheriff this week. Now that justice they feared cases have skyrocketed. I just said it was three hundred and fifty cases roughly when we talked to him last week now. The cases are over. Thirteen hundred one percent of our population is now infected. And that's the one percent that we've tested in that. We are aware of that. We know of we know. Certainly there are more a symptomatic and people that have not been tested. That are still out there. I hear Corporate Tyson talking about how this community coverted. Spread is impacting their operations. And it makes me want to jump out of my chair to say. Their operations is negatively impacted. The Cova spread in my community. You can't jump five hundred people in testing positive and not have somebody stand up and say listen folks. This is real. We can't let it sit without comment. Today should be that wakeup day. Because we're over. A thousand cases were almost double the second highest county almost a thousand cases that was yesterday as of today. Black Hawk County Iowa has thirteen hundred twenty six confirmed cases. There have been more than a dozen deaths already. The local hospitals are filling up one Waterloo hospital adding a second respiratory unit in the past few days to try to deal with their high volume of Cova patients. The county's public health director saying now that over ninety percent of the cases they've got in the county can be traced to Tyson meat packing plant outbreak in one way or another and now president trump says it's time to open that plant backup executive order. No more shutting down meatpacking plants. Open them all back up. With no binding guidance guidance in terms of how they should prevent their workers from continuing to get infected in huge numbers no binding guidance if Tyson decides to reopen that giant plant because of the president's executive order last night nobody can tell them no if they decide to. What is that GONNA mean for local officials and local hospitals trying to in a place like Black Hawk? County joining us now. Is Tony Thompson was the sheriff there? Sheriff thank you so much for coming back when you were here I said at the end of our discussion last week that I'd really love to have you come back in and a price of the latest. I am sad to know that it's more than a thousand cases down the road in just that week's time but thank you for being here sir. It is absolutely my pleasure. I wish we were talking about something more positive. I wish you could have an update that said that we were on top of this. Certainly it's It's now outrunning us and so absolutely frustrating for me to to know that my set we just lose his audio for second. We have a backup audio with the sheriff that we can grab on. Got Cut him on the phone for second. This sometimes happened with these with the remote studio that I man and he's joining in by sheriff. Are you back with us? We could do it this way. Absolutely God bless you see sure enough sheriff's always have another way. It's all right if not by. Hook then by Crook. Let me just ask you to Let me ask you to pick up where you left off there in terms of feeling like you're not getting ahead of this that it feels like running away with you it is. It's frustrating that That my citizens are so They're more at risk than than any other county in the state Any citizens mistake of Iowa At Contracting Ovid and we know that ninety percent of that thirteen twenty six that we're facing right now that are tested. Positive is because of the the The Tyson Pant. Ninety percent of that testing It incentives me And I almost feel like You know the the full plate ad that that John Tyson took out in the New York. Times about how operations are are being negatively impacted by this Kovic Spike or this Kovic spread was like a shot over my bow And and my citizens bow when when we know that it's attributable to These these inept Reactionary and dysfunctional responses to. What was happening in their plants from the testing that has happened at the plant in Waterloo. We know that nearly half of the test results they got back. We're positive showing something like forty four percent positive among people working in that plant. Do you believe that they could operate safely enough to prevent further spread to prevent more people from getting infected on the job there when their workforce has already got that many people who've been infected on the job we'll look the concern for us is? Is clearly that Tyson is is a big part of our our economy in in the state of Iowa in Black Hawk County. They're important partner for us and we definitely want them to reopen. We recognize those twenty seven hundred Employs probably live paycheck to paycheck. That's an important thing for our economy. It's important thing for those employees. But obviously we've got to do this safely and and I don't I don't have a good feel right now that that that's possible but I think with That that EPA that was released by the by the president that we're going to have any kind of controller say-so whatsoever at this point. I think Again if the good faith effort That I was seeing back on April tenth when I walked through that plant with the Department of Health If that's the good faith effort that they're putting forth from this point forward Forget about it the whole that they blew in in our front line of Defense I is already. The damage is already done now from the defense is in our correctional institutions. It's at our E. R. Front doors. It's at our long term care facilities in nursing homes front doors We've already were monitoring five long term care nursing home facilities. I've got a nurse and a food service worker in my own jail. But I've tested positive because of One was a roommate of Tyson worker. The other one worked as PRN nurse at Long Term Care Facility where Tyson worker was married to a nurse that brought it into that facility. I mean this is ridiculous And to have our governor opening things back up now obviously we're concerned about the economy as well but In Our county again. My biggest concern is my own citizens and their public safety and God. I wish I was chasing bad guys instead of chasing a virus. Tony Thompson. The Sheriff of Black Hawk County Iowa Sir I. I can hear the frustration in your voice. I know that you do not have to talk to national media about what's going on right there with everything else you're dealing with. I appreciate you taking the time and and I do want you to come back and keep a surprise. I'm really worried about your county and a few other counties in that part of the country that are dealing with similar circumstances right now and I feel like we need to stay in touch to let the country know what's happening sincerely my pleasure. Thanks for having me all right. Thanks sure we'll be right back. Stay with us. There's a panel of seventeen. Ceo's hospital officials state and local government officials whose job it is to advise the governor of Massachusetts Charlie Baker Massachusetts should do about that states sizable epidemic when it comes to trying to save and restart parts of the Massachusetts Economy the outbreak in Massachusetts bad. There's now more than sixty thousand cases in the state more than thirty four hundred deaths in the state already. It was three thousand four hundred and five as of four. Pm Today thinking about what to do with existing stay at home policies whether when and how to open up businesses. It's definitely a hard decision. It's hard for all states. It's all the more difficult and all the more consequential in a state that has a big epidemic already but in Massachusetts. They've also got a big really advanced health sector including on the academic side. And that's what makes it very interesting that there was another tool that can advise the governor now on what he ought to do. Mass General Hospital Massachusetts General along with Harvard Medical School and Boston University and also Georgia Tech They created a tool that they call the covert nineteen simulator doesn't stimulate the virus it simulates the effect of policies designed to limit the spread of the virus. It's a tool that. Basically lets policymakers play out. Different scenarios do lockdown businesses in the state. Do you lift all restrictions. Do you try something in the middle. This is a tool. That's designed to show you what the consequences of that decision might be given the state of the epidemic right now and when you might. WanNa make this policy change the simulator. Let you do this for all fifty states you can get online yourself and fiddle around with it. You can make yourself a decision maker and see if you could make good calls but just take a look at Massachusetts right which is currently under a stay at home order. The Governor says that it's going to be there until at least may eighteenth okay well according to the simulator. This is what it looks like if Massachusetts keeps doing what it's doing for the next few months if governor Baker leaves intact the measures that he's got right now. The state will go from thirty four hundred deaths today in those deaths will rise wall however level off over the summer until by the end of August. The state will reach a total number of deaths. That is right around forty nine hundred forty nine hundred deaths by the end of August with policy as it is right now but if instead restrictions are lifted by the governor. Let's say before the end of May soon after the current restrictions are due to expire. Well then what happens? Then what happens is that the death count explodes and by the end of August. Massachusetts would not have forty nine hundred deaths. It would have more than twenty seven thousand deaths. That's if they drop the policies they've got now before the end of May that's the difference for one st for Massachusetts between having solid public health policy in place and not between keeping things as they are or ripping off more than twenty two thousand dead residents in one state before the end of the summer. And that is just one model again. That's mass general Harvard Medical School. Bu and Georgia Tech. There's a whole bunch of different models out there but you know that's kind of a well sourced thing obviously it's scary for all the frontline reasons unless of course you look at those absolutely preventable. Twenty two thousand deaths decide. Well Yeah twenty two thousand dead but we really gotta get the economy going. That kind of thinking is what brings us to our next guest tonight and the next big mistake that the country is making right. This second. Stay with us today. We got another punishing round of economic news. The economy shrank in the first three months of the year by an annualized rate of almost five percents. Not only is that by far the worst economic quarter since the two thousand eight financial disaster. But we know the worst is yet to come. Economists warned that in this current quarter the economy could be shrinking at a rate of thirty percent already. More than twenty six million. Americans have lost their jobs in five weeks tomorrow. We're GONNA get the latest weekly report on job losses. Economists expect another three and a half million Americans to a file for unemployment this week. Americans losing jobs by the millions tens of millions across the economy it's from companies but it's also from town halls and local libraries from everywhere. This was very important headline in The Washington Post about this today. Mass layoffs beginning cities and states amid corona virus fallout threatening education sanitation health and safety in Dayton Ohio. The city's already furloughed. A quarter of its workforce including at the city's Water Department in Baltimore. The cuts are slated to include furloughs for police officers and firefighters mean cities and states are broke right now just like everybody's broke right now. But while Congress has passed roughly three trillion dollars in economic relief. Only tiny sliver of that has gone to states and cities that are facing these huge budget shortfalls. And maybe you don't care about that in the abstract but when states and cities go bankrupt they have to fire or at least furlough that people who work for them and the people who work for states and cities tend to be the people who make civilization basically possible. Unless you don't particularly care for or need running potable water or trash pickup or cops or people who will come with a truck full of water and hoses if your house catches fire. Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell. I said that states should just go. Bankrupt many said maybe Congress could help the states if the states all agree to certain Republican political priorities if the idea is to prop up the economy though. Why aren't police officers and teachers and firefighters and people who work at the water company seen as part of the economy and setting aside the politics of any of this? How is this not a disastrous decision in terms of how we as Americans live and what we're spending money on to try to keep our civilization together while our economy is in a coma joining us now? Is Paul Krugman? New York Times columnist Nobel Prize winning economist and the author most recently of arguing with zombies economics politics and the fight for a better future. Mr Krugman it's nice to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Glad to be on. Let me ask you if I said anything that seemed dumb there or if my frustration here is frustration. That you share. No this is. This is basically insane. We have There is no shortage of money the the federal government. It's running huge deficits but he can Right now we can sell bonds Washington console bonds at interest rates which are ridiculously low interest rates which just for inflation are actually negative. So there there's essentially. There's no reason why we should be suffering things that have to be closed. Restaurants have been closed giant. Sports events have to be closed. There's nothing that says that we should be laying off schoolteachers. That we should be laying off. Firefighters The money is there but the money is in Washington. State and local governments are required to run balanced budgets. So the obvious thing is to maintain these. You know unnecessary pain. No gratuitous suffering There's going to be a lot of this is going to be a difficult period but we should minimize the harm but the trouble is that because of the the rules of the game that money has to come from Washington and it's completely insane to say no. We're not going to do that. And to try to pretend that this epochal this great depression level. Economic Crisis is somehow the fault of the fiscal irresponsibility of progressive. The governments in blue states. When in fact it's nationwide and it's completely again has nothing to do with with lack of wisdom. This is a vast natural disaster. Do you see a way that this could be structured as a policy or even framed as an idea that could get broad Washington support and could move money quickly. I mean I'm you know I'm an American living through this just like anybody is but the idea that cops and firefighters and teachers and people who work as sanitation workers and people who work at the water department and other people who just do basic utility stuff that we need to keep ourselves together that they're at risk right. Now of furloughs gives me a great sense of urgency around this. I feel you can read the politics as well as anybody Do you see a way that this will be politically fixed. I think there's two things that may work in our favor. One is I think as this starts to bite people get a much better sense of what we're really talking about. P. Lots of people say. Oh I'm against government and you say we'll do you think we should have fewer schoolteachers. Do you think we should have You Know Colorado Fire departments. Do you think that we need to lay off policemen? They say and they say well. You know that's what state local government is state. Law Government is overwhelmingly education First responders public security highways. It's things that we all depend on. The other thing. Is that governors even Republican governors for the most part. I mean they're not the Santos but for the most part. Republican governors are aware of. What's really happening here? And if they have magin if Mitch McConnell imagines that somehow this is only a New York problem that it's over a New Jersey problem whatever. He's going to very quickly here from governors of of red states that it's there during this much trouble and it's always maybe even more trump. I'm looking at this a bit. The same look places like Florida and Texas depend almost totally on sales taxes whereas New York or California depend on income taxes and probably the sales tax wherever he was gonNA fall faster than the income tax revenue. So this is going to be. We're going to see desperate budget situations in Republican states and hopefully Those you know the governor's the legislatures of those places will be burning up the phone lines to the Senate as saying Mitch You know this may sound great to you but if you look at what's actually happening to us on the ground we need that money and it's not at all hard to do you. Could you could do this in a day. You could. It would be a perfect bill but you could. You could save us from what will be otherwise catastrophic cuts in public services really important point about those sort of coming political incentives New York Times Columnists Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. It's great to see if thanks for your time tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you all right. We'll be right back. Stay with US earlier in the hour. Tonight I called Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds K Reynolds. I have no idea why did that? I didn't even realize set it wrong. I apologize it's Kim Not k. That said I still maintain that her corona virus policies in Iowa our cray. So maybe that's what happened. That does it for me tonight. I will see you again tomorrow. The show we don't administered on MSNBC.

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210: Expiration Date by Jennifer Baker

NIGHTLIGHT: A Horror Fiction Podcast

33:41 min | 2 years ago

210: Expiration Date by Jennifer Baker

"<music> Hi. I'm I'm Tony Thompson Creator and executive producer of night light a horror podcast featuring creepy tales from black writers all over the world this week we bring you a post-apocalyptic story that makes us question who's really turning into a monster are authors Jennifer for Baker a longtime publishing professional and the Creator and host of the minorities in publishing podcast as well as contributing editor to electric literature. This episode is brought to you by the Night Light Legion special thanks to our newest patrons Sarah. Thank thank you so much for joining us for as little as one dollars a month. You can join the Night Light Legion just go to Patriot dot com slash nightlife pod you can get instant access to bonus content behind the scenes Info Anna shout out on the podcast I now sit back turn out the lights and enjoy expiration date by Jennifer Baker narrated by me Tanya Thompson so obvious own abyss. That's how most stories began in the books polars parents had read to her and her brothers when they were little or littler the youngest role would I would say it made sense tail should start that way now to once upon a time people weren't infected once upon a time Pilar didn't wake up at the faintest sound ready to swing the mallet under her pillow once upon a time she didn't spend most of her day staring at the boy in the basement unable to go any further than she and Celeste deemed necessary once upon a time a boy walked down the road that same boy remember similar stories starting off the same way or at least this is what he told Pilar when they first met my grandparents were good storytellers. He said to her and her alone. She folded herself on the dirt in the basement was on the ground so long. She didn't know if she was warming it or the ground her while listening to him recite familiar words she drank in each one Agua the Swiss whom those abrazos muscle mainos Familia polars fingers curl around the bars he still there at the bottom of the stairs his shadow slings forward Gordon back. He's taken to pacing last night. She saw the bald patchy made in the shape of a circle with the sunlight fading the swinging lightbulbs blinking. It's gotten harder to tell how he looks unless she gets up close. You're still visits him at night. Celeste used to take the day shift. The boy woke to bark scratching his back and Celestin Pilar staring down at him as if he just has been buried the sun emphasized his age a problem Celeste said side eyeing Pilar his youth was evident in the Pudgy nece of his cheeks in clarity in his eyes want those on use the Innis bill are asked ten was a state to her heart the same age or her. Oh was during her first solo visit. He asked if she knew what was going on with an arm out he stared at the chains linking asking him to a beam he was unable to hold back the quiver of his lips and his voice unable to answer or unwilling Pilar nodded see she said enjoying the emphasis of the S on her tongue. We're in the aftermath aftermath of what the old Pilar would have hesitated in an attempt to keep him hopeful but hopefulness had no place here especially if he was going to make it to eleven the the end I think Celeste had been the one to spy him. Coming up the road with afraid SATCHEL hanging off one shoulder a sorrowful mug drawn on his face in Truth Celeste hadn't actually seen him she had division and this boy with a bowl cut was featured player from the moment Celeste announced it her face pinched from the looseness and intensity of this latest image Balare knew it would only be a matter of time two two days past when the skittering of pebbles brought Celeste Vision to fruition the boy was skinny too skinny. It was one of the first tail tale signs for some for others. It was evidence of not knowing how to stay fed. He could have been easy prey for anyone coming around but Celestin Pilar couldn't be too careful. Perhaps he used his looks to his advantage. Perhaps he was speedy. Perhaps he was needy. Perhaps perhaps <music> perhaps chains hung off Celeste waste like a belt when he uttered Gomo coming down the road to the two of them waiting at the Gate Celeste frowned about Balare knew it had been months since she heard the words that her family neighbors and friends spoke Celeste new much but she didn't know another language didn't know the Camaraderie of family and how family came before everything because they'd understand you better than anyone else what Celeste new was the solitude of the before and this helped her in the aftermath. The boy hesitated watching them. Both the only thing that moved were his eyes when he spoke his eyebrow shot up and his head tilted ended at Celeste questions. The two of them looked to pull our for help. She served as a mediator something she hadn't done in two long. Celeste lips made a motorboat sound she turned to Balare with ahead of an axe on her shoulder in full view for the visitor hey to admit he's cute also looks like he could use a meal. The boy may not have meant to but pillar noticed the faintest nod. She asked him two days later if he could speak English to and the shadows of his new new home downstairs she saw and heard his grin when he responded doll vase. How long are you going to look at him? Seles asked from the couch. A patchwork quilt covers her to the neck. Her face is Ashen thin especially her cheeks were Palomar has the copper tone of her ancestors Celeste. Hokey Pallor is all but washed out even her afro is limp her coils matted instead of upright fighting for survival takes effort and at the ripe old age of twenty it caught up with Celeste we ll are only a couple of years younger still has the tenacity more so energy to get things done. The Home Pa- Larence Celeste share is a cabin easy to pass by without a lot of bells and whistles. There's dust clumps of it in corners. The furniture is would that creeks initially caused them to hunch in anticipation of being found a bar hangs in the fireplace this across from Celeste feet and pot hangs from the bar filled with water steadily warming up the setup is something out of a pioneer book Pelosi read where classifications of good and bad were made with people how the aftermath would be documented cemented would have to be different to include those partially alive versus those fully so if this was how her ancestors had lived then she didn't have that much to complain about when she used to bemoan her lot in life to her parents her brothers to anyone who listen about the responsibilities thrust on her as eldest watch her little brothers make sure the apartment that felt smaller and smaller the more her and her siblings grew was uncluttered while her parents worked. Coming home late expecting things to be done when they were PA- Lars Age they had to do much more with much less. This is when anecdotes morphed into lessons a family before them who had immigrated on planes on boats by foot some of these tales her and her brothers were certain had been modified to instill guilt and hard work ethic Obvio- Novus family came from the old country family was born in the new country three after a while the fascination grew to consternation and irritation with every utterance of those words Millar grew bidder at the responsibility on her shoulders. The expectation casting literal wait resulting in her friends friends teachers even prospect of boyfriends asking why she wore her shoulders as earrings her hands were dry and prone to cuts from the cleaning the powders and bleach spray to rid their apartment of the occasional roach boldly skittering catering from its hiding place when the lights were off what they had didn't seem to be enough then in retrospect it was more than enough just making sure polar replies yeah well don't make Tucher the taunt warning or an undercurrent in celeste voice polar stuff's her other hand in her jeans pocket and pinches herself to keep from seething more so at our own stupidity than Celeste Reminder of the one who was almost almost their undoing had celeste not had the axe and a great arm but that was when Seles still had energy and vibrancy to wipe sweat from her brow instead of PA- lar- bending over her frail and patchy body to do it for or her villar mouse. I co- knew it was one of her. Mother's favorites heard that Seles mutters she passes the less on her way to the Kitchen Millar size at the lists in her head. That part of life in the aftermath isn't so different her routine was running to do list that list hasn't shortened as much as become more specific each item critical rather than expected pillars body is is weary her without Celeste help though muscles are taught in places. She didn't even know existed another thing that's changed. She's learned not to complain as much what now role asked once he saw the last rise of their mothers chest she looked like she'd been inflated by a balloon her breasts stomach everything up and then deflated as quickly eternal stillness illness after that pros lips and Chin had trembled his is prep to Gush rivers that flowed within minutes her brothers the youngest ones the shorter ones rack themselves around her like a second set of P._J.'s <music> Ramon a year younger than her several inches taller stood by pillar shaking officially mute their parents had sworn it'd be okay they swore even when their bodies shut down their bones visible before skin bloated than puckered shriveled as though they'd been left out in the sun instead of the darkness of their apartment they swore this country had been so good to them and those who came before them they wouldn't be left to died because of a mistake this country the land of planty yet sure didn't seem like plenty as hard as her parents worked would protect all citizens not just the chosen few but like many tales her her parents stories were fabricated more on the happy ending than the real world like Crowe. The boy asked your order on that first visit holding up his wrists revealing the leash he'd been given during airing slumber pilar had to look away. She didn't know what was next for him. She hadn't for her brother's which she did know. In that moment he'd entered their lives Celeste huffing beside her was that the chains weren't coming off. They didn't bother to ask his name Seles said in two weeks time it might not matter anyway. Millar starts in on the Doshi left out to rise plopping the mound on the flowered table as she stares at the GLOB before whacking it with her fists and denting and flattening it with each pound comes a grunt. Nothing is a quick switch on or off anymore. They need matches batches for the oven and for the lamps lining the walls Celeste showed her how to make tender was still wool an old batteries when matches run out they have to check the generators to keep things running in the fridge and utilize shards of ice ice chips from the top of the freezer regularly during the unseasonably warmer days currently on the horizon. Everything is floral and smells musty like mothballs but at least it isn't the other smell the one polar had woken up up to in her actual home a year ago sour wet bitter like the worst vegetable she'd had to eat the sent infiltrated sinuses and settled on the tongue when breathed in it was an aroma Roma that sent the stomach turning encouraged things to come back up it was a smell she'd always associate with the aftermath because it had covered her as she hid watching people she knew turn other. She made a new home in a harshly burned out Deli. She couldn't stand the stench in memories of what was her home with a butcher knife in hand pool are summoned up the courage to cut the necessary vein to end it all another deep breath Celeste lest he found her just in time but what happens when if she reminds herself Celeste will be fine. She's not afflicted. Only weak polar has gotten better at this. She had to become accustomed asked him to blend this. Though smokey flavor is no longer incorporated in a dish on purpose but due to actual burning salt was hard to come by when stores are used as residences for some and breeding grounds for others. It was safer to stay alone or stick to small numbers. The beating in kneading dough has been a nice way to work off some of those late in anger issues Celeste said she needed to check just like your mother Celeste had said to her as she pummeled dough with an inch of its life just like now. What would you know about anyone in my family Celeste pursed her lips and pointed to our noggin which made Palomar Angrier and that Celeste predicted didn't help ONA vase anaemia piquet knew she trailed off unsure how the rest of the story should go? This was when role helped her while the others did boy things as her parents deemed it usually usually this consisted of beating each other with some object. I can only hope they're using something soft. Her mother declared whenever she heard the shouts in another room growl scrunched up his face never seeming impressed by his older brothers and preferring to be around Pilar. You're practically is mother. Her mother said it was a Rolpa Lar- was both exasperated by an prideful of Blur hacks bread with her butcher knife enjoying this a bit too too much the blob turns into smaller blobs. She stuff's these blobs interbred tins when she returns to the Living Room. Celeste is out cold a painting toenail peeks out from under her blanket poular sets the trae okay down on the table across from Celeste not making a sound knowing Celeste could still give a pretty solid wack balare holds her hand above Celeste mouth when air hits her palm pillars body relaxes so much she can almost feel. Oh that her blood has gone still slipping on the midst she removes the Pot and sets up the great above the crackling fire. The Heat Burns her cheeks initiates a line of sweat along her Bra and upper lip rustic she he thinks taking a glance back at Celeste. I know you're looking at me. Celeste murmurs if it weren't for the fact that below was somewhat used to this. She probably would have fell in the fire sending you love from afar. Can you feel it yes. She taps at her chest. As though poking yourself I can smell the bread. Pella wrinkles are knows it's not even baking it. Celeste opens one. I only one one creepy our thanks to this very day reminiscent of her mother. You know I know who are places. Each ten on the great stopped showing off. Stop being weird weird. I saw you in the kitchen. She lets her I close Ilar returns to the gate just to check. She tells herself not because I'm obsessed or anything the sunset the moon is no longer hidden it gives off limited illumination. The darkness means only the blinking glow of the bulbs his shadow hidden the only clue he's still there are his occasional tugs at the chain forming a Melody Celeste tended to <hes> to how long do you think Lara asks silence is the answer Celestis fast asleep again her mouth open her snores low but consistent Villar listens closely the boy he knows better than to scream or draw attention to himself. Watching him is almost like watching a nature show simply observing life as it happens but in real time and closer proximity the scent of the bread tells her it's done before she unlocks the basement Villar feels the pockets of the Hoodie that comes down to earth is assured she closes the gate behind her as quietly as she can each creek of the stairs announces ounces bar. She smells him feels his presence as she gets near she manages breathing through her mouth. He's ripe and his bucket needs to be changed. She'll have to empty it when he's asleep to. He greets whereas he rattles his shackles to read the skin underneath he wears a sweater stretched at the neck open source confirm another sign polar wants to ignore though the two bulbs above him flicker he still somewhat clear not so much an abstraction as still life he doesn't lunge at her like the girl before him and he doesn't try to spit it her like the guy before that his voice isn't the smooth and higher pitched one from their introduction. It's turned guttural role from dehydration though the hose coiled around his bucket and attached to the sink she can tell he speaks partly from fear and exhaustion a certain amount of crankiness a child from discomfort. This is when polar stuff's her hands. It's in her pockets and is thankful. Celeste hit the keys that set him free from her before she fainted and never really got back up. When Geeky eras comes from his mouth? She has an answer primed named in ready in her mind. What do I want for Celeste not to be sick for things to be the way they were for us not to have to be who were not just to stay alive for my family to be here with me for you? You be someone I can care for instead of be cautious of she holds out the bread still warm made with love and irritation as far as the lars concerned. He doesn't move for every step closer. He takes one back doc. Finally she tosses at his feet the boy scrambles and stuffs it in his mouth readily mumbling. GRASSI's is what hits PA- lar- him having manners doesn't make things any easier. You know what I did today. He asks innocently what I know you know. Excuse me you were staring. You're always staring. Sorry I just WanNa make sure you're okay. That's a lie. Her voice rises at the accusation of all things she is. She knows what she is. Not No. It's not yes it is you don't care no one cares not anymore. He hoff's drop into the ground instead of settling there as though he's perfected the Tantrum in the two weeks he's been with them in the ten years of being on earth even in the aftermath. A child doesn't stop being child do they. Of course I care we wouldn't feed you give you close tie me up chain chain of cuffs and chains polar practically dives to cover his mouth. She chides him spitting the words out in rapid fire that he needs to calm down visiting under her hands he covers his face with an oversize sleeve that muffles has shouts of leave me alone. Celeste insisted he must know how to speak English. They were in the northern parts closer closer to Canada and Mexico. How could he not even when she learned the truth? Pool are found herself. Irate not simply a little frustrated with Celeste. Her common incited those memories of what Balare heard when she went out with her grandparents grandparents as a kid then teen serving as their translator as young as four years old. Why don't they just speak English the spike from those words easy to comprehend at any age speak English English loud heckling expectant meaning? They wouldn't be served meaning. They shouldn't be respected meaning. They were less than no patience reserved for those who couldn't or wouldn't speak the language those were the people who were helped among others in the aftermath. Lars family needed to adapt not the other way around they did but that didn't save them. It didn't save a lot of people adaptation was what alarm was raised on. Expectation was what Celeste knew when polar snapped at Celeste. The boy must have thought he had an ally in her not just in tongues but in actuality she wouldn't let anyone namely Celeste hurt him she dam sure wasn't going to allow her to shame him. Instead of answering Celeste she spoke to the boy Esti- loca he smiled Celeste Grimmest. Don't think you can hide things for me because I don't know what you're saying the lar- wing to the boy his smile widened stop that she his him something will hear you and you don't want them to remember once upon a time. There was a boogeyman who eight screams he sought them out like mice seek cheese. That is one of the story she tells the boy it was roles favourite. She brings him close embraces him so he knows things will be okay if he lasts another week with no more signs Celeste may agree to unchain him looking at him. There's an ease in his face but she does notice his lips are as cracked Seles said they were in her vision. The last ones lips were smooth. She shakes off that memory the kiss and what followed when he snatched the keys through her to the ground and thankfully Celeste and the axe the slivers of wetness that spilled from his body and stained Seles close with each hack. That wasn't easy to forget. I just want to go home. He winds pushing his face further into. To her chest his words break her heart. I know it hit roles toes I which is why she didn't notice initially it wasn't until he looked like he had a case of the mumps that Balare thought about ending adding it for herself to she was no longer like his mother. She was his mother and she couldn't imagine not having him around that annoying shadow she'd come to rely on to get through the day as they buried neighbors friends friends extended family and then brothers leaving her and Rahul as the last two standing or so she thought I just want things to go back. Role had said like their parents so gentle he slid away too easily obvio- Nevez she began and didn't finish because he stopped breathing and her arms. The boy shakes his arm and the chain Ching Ching thump he pulls away from her scurries close to the wall to wipe his is the chains creator rhythm whenever he moves making it so much easier to pinpoint him in the fledgling light. You're mean and I hate you. Bleeding through the is was the worst of it that she saw close. Actually it was the worst of it when it was loved. Ones your little brothers tears morphing from translucent to rose use to Clemson. I'm sorry just one more week one more and we can let you go you can come upstairs where it's warmer all the time and not just when the sun is out you can come meant the Larussa polar sucks and breath. Maybe he isn't as bad as Seles suspected or envisioned again. He growled Liar spittle flies from his mouth building foam in the corners. Please is no she takes step forward her parents used to say Oh Trevisa or Travis Lard love for it to be true. The aftermath happened the way things often did in an instant with little understanding standing of how wars began or ended more red lane chain Ching Pilar doesn't want confirmation really isn't inclined to stop hearing or speaking the words she's grown up with but the aftermath is in about once so she takes out the miniature flashlight shines on his face to reveal the evidence up close. He tries to hide yet. She sees sees the foam. I'm building at the corners of his lips. Sliding down his chin creating a grotesque goatee as he covers his mouth plump fingers peak out from his sleeve distinct against the thinness of his face and the heavy lids of his is she sees Ramon jumping at her not ingest but out of a sudden animalistic urge to conquer this image is an fantasy as much as reality when the boy pounces on her to knocking her onto the stairwell shaking its foundation in a minute she's covered by his earthly and sour smell his fingers and feet kick at her in every way fingernails attempt to claw out her is spit drips onto her face unease wedged into our rid pushing down down down until she hyperventilate S- her spine has bit by the splinters of the stairs. Every limb moves at warp speed and citing more pain more stings more confusion of what to thwart Ramon had been just as intent enthusiasm turned accurate no longer human. She's unsure why he was the one that turned. I maybe because of his age that his body could absorb the change the quickest of her brothers as the oldest boy the roles were reversed. They no longer feared PA- lar- they were the hunters she the prey Ramon leaped onto her back teeth fixated then clamped on her shoulder the burn worse than if she'd been hit with a hot poker even though he barely broke in skin she throws him off than stuff's her hand into her Hoodie. BALARE MAKES A split-second decision with the butcher knife in hand and him a much easier target off her back the chain snaps and rattles in their struggle celeste nowhere to be found dead to the world polar pushes off with an arm. He fills twice his weight. The fury makes him heavier his actions. Make him more dangerous. The more speed he catches attempting to turn herself sideways and not make her ribs listen chest available for target practice celeste visions were accurate. They all changed she screams low Santo again and again same as she did. The day she made choices that that comeback to her nightly and sometimes in the day Laura stumbles upstairs her top moist with sweat and blood celeste is wide awake her skin G- listens and has slightly more color. There's an earlier they meet each other's is this time Celeste is the first to look away. I'm not going to say anything. She says you just did okay. What I am going? You say is it's not your fault. None of this is your fault also whether she pauses for effect or hesitation palabras unsure I saw someone else a woman older much older lar- nods on her way to the kitchen she washes her hands and the night gets another set of chains from under the sink. They'll need to be prepared. How this story begins and ends has become predictable at this point but survival is survival? Villar prefers that narrative than one where she isn't in it the next week will share interview with Jennifer who tells us what editors really want and what they really hate. Thanks again to our patrons supporting this podcast because of your support listeners around the world get creepy stories in their ears on a regular basis. Remember you can join the Night Light Legion by going to patriotic dot com slash night light pod you can also make a donation via via paypal at pay pal dot MI slash nightline podcast. If you're unable to support US financially word of mouth is the next best way to help give us a shoutout online on twitter or instagram at night light pod or like us on facebook facebook at nightline pod reviews are also a huge help so be sure to leave a few kind words on your podcast platform of choice audio production for this episode by me Tommy Thompson you can find me online at mystifying thing or at Tanya Thompson Dot Com and thank you for listening until the very end. We have a creepy fact for you. In the late fifteenth in early sixteenth centuries disease called the sweating sickness in England took over basically it would start off with people getting really nervous and then they would start to get shivers like sometimes really violent shivers than they would get giddy and developed severe pains in their necks and shoulders and arms and legs and they would feel really really exhausted now this stage of being really cold would only last about half an hour to two or three hours and then they would start to get really hot and sweating which is why it's called sweating sickness once they started to get hot they would start to get delirious. Seriously pulse will get really rapid. They start to get really thirsty and get heart palpitations and pain in their chest at the end of the day they would be dead aside from killing its victims really quickly. The other thing that was bad about this is that you could get at once.

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Eddie Hearn

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

25:48 min | 1 year ago

Eddie Hearn

"This is sports illustrated boxing podcast boxing. Boxing with sports illustrated's Kris maddox interviews interviews analysis. And everything going on in boxing and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting unpunished in the face. Part Eddie hearn. His here matchroom boxing. USA part of the zone. Man Eddie I work a lot like covering two sports. It's basketball and boxing. But your schedule men I. It's a lot like you whatever's going to match them in different countries across the world you just. It's always a plane man and I'm not just flattering. You here. I mean I don't know how you do it without getting physically ill twice a year. I get physically ill. December is a good time because the cold hits and it's this year has been a real rollercoaster. It's been a whirlwind and very lucky to do what we do. I mean even an Amodu of your job lot. We traveling around. We're working in sports and think of a lot worse things to do. So the Joshua win definitely helped Ma December and it was a tough middle of the year. You know at the beginning of my end of eight Peru true when Jerrell Meta foudy drug tests and then five weeks later got stopped at the garden and then probably five weeks off of that we had the issue of reverse and then probably at that point. I was just thinking odd. You know just I think I'll just call it a day. But then you you know you come back in we might define Saudi and he won the rematch. Then you just thought thinking at this point is and then you finish that far and then you get one hundred leads from the governing body sign. You got this far mandatory mandatory lawyers lawyers lawyers and you just has the ace sometimes the politics that makes you fall out of love of the sport. Oh and I guess that's the same for fans but sometimes you have to be reminded of our great. This bill isn't is a spoiled. I Love Cape Sign. My needs to my wife. The other night I'm going to do this for could be two years. Could be five years. Could be ten years but won't be any longer but you probably say made up Bob. Arum just monitor edibles. It's hard to give up. It's hard to give the addictive. I want to get into some things moving forward but this was the first full year of matchroom. Disown the partnership ship there. If you were going on a scale of one to ten one being total disaster ten being everything you wanted to be in more where would you would it down without breaking down into six month period so I would say the first six months I would say seven out of ten and then I would say the back six months at because he's had so much that back end and and ultimately we will only be judged by the numbers that we deliver at the end of the day. We can put on great shows. Put bums on seats. Correct social media hype but if we're not delivering subscribers he said relevant will pretty bad job and the platform might look another spot instead the back. Six months have been so good for US design and subscribers. He's ticked every box particularly seven or eight weeks with Cannetto. Cover the chaos. Oh I fought and Joshua race so the first six months were good and oversee June. The first was Joshua and that was a wild tonight. But it Kinda kick started from there you know like although that no that was a disaster for him it was a huge for design for the brand and we it went on from there you know and had some great nights including gluskin against their Vincenzo. One of the flights of the year and even outside of the US title game denier against Inoue we use IX heavyweight debut. We had Hooker Against Ramirez Unification. Now we had the Kaya saw I fought for it. We also had this week. Now Right Shabas Shabas so I phil. We've got great momentum and now I feel like there's a good strategy in place now design where we sign every month. We need a key moment so and further ahead we can plan the better but zone exempts would love made a map out for twelve months in January to December we own our. That's impossible impossible in boxing. But we what we are able to do now is to say okay. January on dryades ten farmer against D.. As Danny Roman against my live live and probably Jake Paul again Zinke that she that she January February. mikey Garcia Against Jesse Vargas March. Probably look doc in April and seeing Joshua my canal avarice. So if your that person that has ever spend eight hundred nine thousand one hundred dollars on one night a boxing and you'll get an all this action for ninety nine dollars a year. I mean the value is outstanding. And we get in to understand now the mindset of Evatt Brokaw sponsor. Because it's very different to what we've been used to before with. HBO Showtime Zip Subscription Based Business. But it must keep Creighton. I was K a monthly moments to stop the chairman and to consistently drive subscribers. Your two main subscriber driver events in the last couple of months have been Kassai. Logan Paul and Joshua Ruis did those two events deliver the type of subs you hope for what did they say. Many more than anticipating K.. Saw Logan poll more than anticipated. Maybe not quite as many as a UH secretly dreamed of but still really solid. I mean I keep pushing his own to release the numbers because they're really impressive. Now there was a stage when we started when they weren't impressive Z.. Because we came from a standing start. It's just that policy not to do it but I don't mind sane and probably get told off over. Those three fights Canelo cover live kyw Assad Logan Pool and Josh arrears drive into a million subscribers. And that's a phenomenal number. And the viewership number for Joshua Against Ruis was was. Oh Man I don't know nearly three times bigger than the biggest audience Joshua ever go on showtime as Whoa champ worldwide. I think it was one point. Six one point seven. The He's been in America you know. That's a huge number and one of the problems we had him recruiting fighters in the early days was all no one's watching design. They are more people watching weekend. Bigger audience numbers than Showtime Charles. Just boxed on showtime the three hundred thousand you go Jacob Chavez is he's going to do five six hundred thousand on design Joshua did NYDIA million so we need to let the people know because that argument about. Oh Oh you're you're losing your profile or lack of profile. It's rubbish now so it's another take on the box and we're just getting a better understanding standing of one the US market to getting a foot in the door a lot more with fighters but three understanding the subscription business. But when you've got a product you believe in I so believe in the design product in terms of the value for fan particularly the annual pass. I'm actually gonNA cited design often. You should bump the monthly fee up. Now let we call a drive people to the new pass. Nineteen dollars ninety nine a month my keep fifty bucks a month. We don't want you to come and go. We want you to stay. Pov this community learn more about boxing digest that content learn about the lots and grow with us. The as you look ahead into twenty twenty any you mikey Garcia. We talked a few weeks back. You said you believe Mikey. Garcia part of matchroom zone in twenty twenty. He has taken you out of the friend zone own and start a relationship with you now. The first one is you mentioned his February twenty ninth but are you looking at this as the beginning of a long term relationship with Mikey Garcia for show I I mean. I don't enter any relationship with view to do a wildfire unless you're an opponent and he's not an opponent he's always done a fight by fight they would've. PBC say so. I was happy to do that. But the difference with this deal is we have the security of nine. We have the ability to match any offer that comes in so if we really want to keep him we will keep him. The difference is when I first pitched his own Marquis Garcia. Not only did he think I was mad. This was a year and a half ago. He said to me. Who Am I gonNA find names? It was a good question because the answer was no and he would have had to take that leap of faith with us to try and lure other foxes to the network the platform. Now now. He's given us that trust as I used me to bring to the platform you know so now when you talk about Terence Crawford you took about many pack. Yeah you talk about Arrow spent bench to Danny Garcia their people if contractually available you can bring to design to fight Mikey Garcia and. He's a mega fine so I I he has to get past. Jesse Vargas WHO's obviously offend friend of ours in the end zone is going to be a great. Listen if Jesse wins. Ease the poem that we can bring out a welcome to the platform as well so but I guess one of the criticisms or comments that paypal mighties. Yeah you've got a great stable. Schedules cry but you did say you'd be sawn in the peak peak names. Yeah who's your big American nine will now Machi Goth areas. Now you have to really cise top five. Probably in terms of American drools inbox inside. We've got a really. He could go their design a very happy. We now have a little one hundred forty seven pound division which we didn't have before I I'm excited and Jerry Jones is reached out on. That's nice in itself that someone like that. He's actually come in and said we want that far actually made an effort to deliver that flight to Dallas you save afoot in the one. forty-seven Division One of the questions of Mikey was he got completely white washed. In the last time against their will spend went up against the best no question at one forty seven but he's he's not a very big welterweight. What kind of conversation you had with him about weight class? I mean where he wants you say can go at one. Four one seven monarchy's a very stubborn guy. I've spent Tom him over the last year. And a half you tell me calm. That's a major problem and I think he's GonNa be in his bonnet. That people felt like that was a bad decision and he shouldn't have moved to one forty seven didn't have they had problems in the build-up set for which he told me about what you never tell people about. Because he wanted one of Mike Excuses. But it doesn't mean you would be darrow spins but I just feel like he wants to prove to people that you can do it. Forty seven Jesse Vargas. Actually a big will You know someone that was was at one fifty four whites fifty four pack. Your slightly smaller welterweight pack arrogance Garcia is a great started started saying. Is that the dream for you for for Mikey because get another flight level Jesse. Yeah Bet if Mikey was to win that fire then I will be actively trying to make the money back okay. I'll just as a fan. I feel like that's an amazing fire and I think that if Mikey can get the credibility of a solid victory one hundred and forty seven pounds. That really makes that far even bigger. Yeah no question a couple of things. Anthony Joshua coming off that win as you mentioned in sanctioning bodies all over him now to figure things out. Do you have as we speak now. Any kind of clear plan for the first half of twenty twenty not really other than both the governing body's Telemedia next and I'm trying to get together to psych is like we have some common sense. We're trying to build tools and undisputed champion appreciate you've got a mandatory challenger Challenger but aj we'll fight them. Someone's got to be I you know there's a rotational system in place which chronologically you've gotTa tell me who is I and they're both signed signed us. which is bad for the sports variously by six pushing a wants it who loves pushing a hunter and we're GONNA have to make a decision so we'll start don't negotiate and we both see? Maybe someone wants the process himself out. Maybe someone really done quite one it. Yeah I don't know but he's fustrating because Oh we're really after is is an answer for someone site now actually historically has asked and so do I them or vice versa. I'M UCLA ON STRATEGY. He's not afraid to bill any my after but it's just frustrating because Joshua Jussieu huge whatever but as the undisputed. He's kind of dream. And I I think he's bad for the spoil the governing bodies could affect that by lacking a bit of common sense to say no. Actually this is how the older should go. And you have relationship with you promote Alexandra who's sick and you're saying he wants that fight next he's opened. It's not like it's just no that's the for and that's it but I think quite rightfully so on his behalf. He's kind of like a bird in the hand he's worth more than two in the Bush where he confides choose aura or someone like that but and then go to fight Joshua but Joshua gets beat Buddha or injured or want to the ball defy and then using MRIs out on the Joshua Joshua Fai so I believe needs another fight. I think he's a very dangerous for him. Find Joshua he's a dangerous fought with Joshua He's a great for if you back yourself and you believe in yourself. Think Joshua combine absolutely colossal fire and a colossal event on talking about November December. Still a big and he will do. I will do a million percent but we just really want to drop a belt. Just really want to be told what to do Robertson. Now it's us now. It's because he can't be both of you. It's impossible. So what how you doing you forcing us to vicarious bill that's bad for the sport mopping is it fair to say though like with the WBO situation you have a little bit more control. If you drop drop that belt you'd have fighting for it. Maybe does fight. You're sore by somebody else and it's still remains kind of a fight. You can make if you WANNA make Joshua USIG. Even if he's got the belt thanks you know. We don't know Arum you know he might lose his marbles and think Oh. I don't know that must be really difficult on a deal when I say no interest and then we get too might be by that bill. I Don a tough decision. Because he's GonNa take our or he's GonNa Fall Adam. Thank you for the Vikings off of that million bucks so any might get both of us. So it's GONNA come to a head it's GONNA come through ahead in the next three weeks six so the slide Christmas down a bit and it's kind of funny because when he lost on we lost the belts and now we've caught the bells always packs. Just it's just a pain in the US it. Might she start to think like what if both boats and just data. WBZ really matter. I mean still. Won't everybody Champi still going to be the biggest. You're still going to be fighting. Great fights and heavyweight division unless aggravation essentials those heavyweight belts. They'll mean some of these guys could teach seventy five bucks timely Andy Thompson twice as a manager challenger Emanuel Steward used to beg the I B F not to make Tony Thompson Mandatory Challenger. But I don't want to buy Kaya Belton. Yeah he he would. He wants to fight everybody but why I think he's unfair to governing body Sinai. Choose between bill when I talked to you in the ring after the fight and wilder eventually variably comes up. UNH Both said. You're not chasing him anymore that you know he's going to have to come to you guys to make a fight in in twenty twenty are you. He's scheduled to fight fury they now say he's GonNa find him twice next year. I mean are you just saying twenty twenty might be a lost year for that type of fight my mom it just pay for us or competitive The longer it goes on I mean we need off that you know like we've just you're losing against reasons it's all over now it's back on and it's bigger than ever bought along the white agreed. You WanNa be the difference is is that when we first negotiate. Gosh that fought fury and wall peanuts in comparison to Joshua and the no longer on peanuts design of force the market to pay those guys big money so that quite comfortable optical doing what they're doing but I think as Ansi said the other night I think he fury wins that for happens like that Joshua if all the wins is a little bit more complicated. Okay a few more egos more politics. You think it's that easy. I mean look very still associated with ESPN top rank. Frank Warren as well the differences as we fury's he will might things happen personally right if he wants that far. It will find a way to make you happen with him. An empty I I you know you go foreign really have an involvement with your anymore little bit on the Utah. Obviously top ranked MT K.. Driving it but fury's is man. He's I'm boss so it would just tell them the fallout but he's not afraid that feel like water is being told old what to do. That's the difference and I J bosses. Well if I jet engines. We says I want and then we have to Guy Mike and Mike. We haven't done agile. I I talked Cannella recently. And you know he's obviously dropped one hundred seventy five pound belt. That sounds like it's GonNa go to one sixty eight all roads kind of go through you. In that sense with your two guys were title Holders Saunders and Callum Smith Golob as well I mean have you had any of these discussions about Kello and now where do you think that funny because we were ten. And y'all away from Kevin Smith over there Joe Gallagher and I was laughing. We've Joe's today because he's in Connecticut and I said well I'm hearing is is next. Opponent will be caloms Mpho bijal news but it's not a conversation way you can just find out kinetico golden guys we really WanNa know you just have to wait to be told you got Willie wonka golden ticket. That's it and that's what caloms doing and billy Joel's do in his just waiting and if we right after white tuna who long. They'll fight each other and they'll uniform at one hundred and sixty eight pound built. Everybody wants to fight canal just like everybody wants defines gestures the big the big payday oversee canal will be wanting to sink it a mile now December January soon. They Mike the move. What do you say to go off in situations? Like this as his promoter. Now I mean do you say look we've got a you've said before we need to find our own plan and make your own kind of thing. There's a clear strategy for canal. Too Far off. Getting September are really believes seems to want to go to Japan though like he's talked a lot about Japan and Harada Kamilo. Yeah but you say that far in two thousand and twenty and but I think coming off the der Janko for a movies mandatory I think this era Metaphor Sephora slots in framing my in March off. And I think he's at pizza for timber and I'm happy that because also opens up my fought with one of our goes so is in a good place. I feel like the a contender in. That probably wasn't expected to be for the contender. Might be people people around him off a little bit. I think he feels good. I think he's GonNa come back far in two thousand twenty and You Call Not Canal owes two thousand nine hundred box. Danny Jacobson Botch says. Sergei Kovalyov in two thousand and twenty. Probably Bucks. Billy Joe Saunders or columns Nathan can I mean again lies resumes top joys or isn't it so by easing that position where you have to wait for the cold and then when it comes you have to negotiate and hopefully you get yeah. I think he's going to be a consensus fighter of the year choice based on on all that lasting when asked as you mentioned the numbers the Charles did in his last fight they stunk android. We both know is not a subscription driver for zone. I mean how many people have to yell to have android Fight Carlo before it actually takes meal. That's all the time I can't. I'm making t shirts. That's the perfect for both guys. Shallows not writing on showtime. We'll say about on dry that people presume presume that you don't sell tickets and doesn't drive numbers after say that I'm not saying he's a subscription driver but the viewership numbers Dimitrius a very strong we sell nearly the eight thousand. Tickets have probably did remarkably well. Robert Guy it was a great atmosphere so I'll believe they can be that that stand there but he needs a big fire. I mean he's fine Luquillo on very Welsh Marlon is number two in the WBO. It will actually basam fought bought a needs a needs the break half unfortunately silver co-signing needs to break half now wants to fine. downy while you're going to get someone to fought to matrices is a lesson. I knew the opportunities for wo taught so or significantly differently. Either by someone. We've now offer to follow a huge offer. One fought deal to fight the majors on trade in my undesired and I can't do anymore lie and if I want to replicate the offer I'll send Dmitri's over to the BBC to charter. And if Charles Obese android he can go back to the BBC or he found his own Cannella. He's a nice spot to been Bu- you know who you're talking to in these situations to look into the fi like do you get a sense that it's Oh so this is what happens. They get off by someone speaks on the speak to our speak to our announces. Now we got plans for you you the way you are. That's why Chris eubank can't be the plan but it can't be just like android in the next. WBZ There's there's A. I mean that's another problem. matrices is right now next week now. Tomorrow there's a final eliminator to be mandatory for dimitrius between Lynn Williams and Allante Fox. Resorting Billion Fox wins. Then he's got a rematch him you you know. And it's east frustrating but I feel like the whole Callum Smith really joe shoulders tomatoes Andrei Medvedev and Danny Jacobs. They've got a lot for each other. If Xichong Charlotte Charlotte thing is the most maddening thing. Yeah I mean. He's in his prime and he's a good fighter and I think we both agree the winner of that fight. It probably puts himself in a position to be in the Kennel sweeps. But that's that's why you've got tight you've got roll the dice on that fire because the winner of that is probably the strongest. The person in the middleweight division outside of Canal and I will say that from Dimitrius aside by. He's made some money now. This is his defense. We've US he. He actually wants to see goodies. He wants to test himself against the best Are you excited about twenty twenty two balls in the air really excited because I feel really good momentum. I feel like we've made some great progress particularly that all six moms we see now crowds consistently increase although that doesn't mean that much for zone that's a good sign yeah. We started to create brand awareness metro in the US. We definitely create brand awareness for design are like we are the network of the year lot bond mall life. If you said honestly to fans like tell me who's delivered the most value this year as a network has to win we have to have the strongest stable in the school from from a global perspective. And I really good position but we still go a long way to go. Call the right fights in the right venues deliver the right kind of marketing and promotion and just keep going and and like I say the back end that this year we've driven simony subscribers. Now we go camping. We keep adding. It's a bit like building a Sandcastle you know you know in the Sanz not quite ready to stick yet and you cannot this growing but a slide in the same time if this makes any sense so Chris and he's live Kate but if you keep the momentum that relentlessness it will keep growing. You should take a video of this in Miami beach there with. You could see what I was doing with the movement seat understand yellow and good luck. Twenty twenty first event is January thirtieth with a pretty terrific card. Seven Farm Joe D. That's a fight. Everybody in boxing wants to see. You've got Daniel Romano coming back and really tough title defense and Dimitrius Android who. I'm sure we'll make make a lot of noise. And that's I mean this is but this is part of the plan right Jake Paul and maybe you now you have a nice three or four hundred thousand subscribers that came in for Logan Pool Service and J. Paul Service them is the yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean. That's exactly the market. I'll say I'm on social media or open up my DM's on instagram is everyday abuses is constant. Listen you Pratt. When you'RE GONNA do Jake Paul Against Innocent Gabe despite the Joe Marcos Guinea all out we look forward to Eddie always always appreciate it? Man Thanks for joining me thanks.

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Oleksandr Usyk vs Derek Chisora Finally SetUsyk -800 Chisora +450

"Ss intended for mature audiences views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way those podcast partners sponsors or affiliates enjoy this is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing voice. Say Stay Hungry. Stay boy defending remain victory. This is it right here. Super just wanted to go on a great boxing also shows of man though neither to the best of what a great I love what Tyson. I became different. Be Crazy me as you said there so she welcome Back Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome back to another edition of the box voice radio. We had to come back. As Mario Mongia favorite fighter finally put some and to sign the contract and we have a fight honestly. I was going to title. This will make it to the ring on fight night but I decided to be nice and show you that. He's a minus eight hundred. Which means eight hundred dollars? You must put on him to win one hundred. This is your king. But we're here to discuss versus cheese. Oughta heavyweights collide in his second heavyweight fight after his first fight with chazz Witherspoon Zora definitely on a bit of a tear in the heavyweight division. Making a good account of himself. And we're hoping that he does that on. Fight night. Which is may twenty. Two thirds of the month of May getting stack may twenty third twenty twenty two in London. Let's go let's talk about if you know the place to be is right here and the number to call is one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice. European and right here on the voice of the people hotline. Because guess what you love that we bring you breaking news I mean. Where else could you go to discuss everything? That's happening right now. So don't forget to hit that thumbs up by an ad Mister Gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation let's head on out to Corpus Christi Texas to Marie among as you can need Mattielo. What is what is It's good. It's hard boxing because the day has gone a little shitty so This is a great topic for me. This will help perk me up a little bit Yeah Man I don't know I'm curious Look here's the thing. I think that everybody expects now after the last. Show what I'm going to say But I I'm curious to what everybody else thinks You know it's just Zora. Like in my opinion sores. That carving knife that helps shape That helps shape heavyweight boxers in Some of the some of the some of the would that these boxes are made out of it. It's too it's too doughy. You know what I it's not it's not firm enough and so they crumble sometimes against him but sometimes he shapes these guys and he puts them through hell ended up sending them out ready for the best ready for the biggest and brightest fight. So it's an interesting fight in a lot of ways but yeah I'm definitely interested to hear what a lot of people think about it. Well I'm at least happy right like if I would've got another Chaz weatherspoon and David Price I would have been pissed off. I at least feel like she's Zora. May Be able to give them a test because the problem is you never know which overcomes in is is the one that doesn't feel like chasing around. GonNa show up or is the one that was in tiptop shape in the second fight of the dillion white and the rematch. Is that one gonNA show 'cause I was watching. What is it born fighter with riches aura? And he was already saying. How is a dancer? He's going to be dancing. So the he's setting the breadcrumbs already for telling you look this guy's GonNa make me chase after him. Yeah absolutely You know he said quite a few things. So far in such a short amount of time but Yeah I I think that we're going to see what who six made out of in this fight. I think that you know sores. The Guy who he can put the He can put any fight and make it personal. He he's in. He's a dog in there. You know what I mean. He's the kind of guy who who this isn't a game for him. This isn't even really a sport for him as much as it. Is You know a way of living in in in when people see that people see sport like that. It makes them hungry. It makes them harder tougher in from a skill standpoint. Derek Sore is not you know a top heavyweight. He isn't but with all the other factors that go into big-time prize fighting. That's what helps to make him a top heavyweight you know he's not in the top three of obviously top five or anything like that but he is a top heavyweight in this in this He's loud right now. He's blessed to be draw because I mean. Ucla is in from the UK. And somehow they're going to do this in the O. Two that's a bold step you know. I don't know as an ally twenty thousand people. Oh I think so. Yeah that'd be up there in that amount so interesting to see them taking Lee look like Actually I have a PRE official press release. Let me see what price to Matt already let me see heavyweights collide collide which Zora the old to ticket surprised that forty pounds sixty pounds eighty pounds one hundred pounds under the fifty pounds. Two hundred pounds four hundred pounds eight hundred pounds for VIP now the little backwards E. or I know it's not easy but it looks very similar to a either pounds or euros on. I always thought that was euros. Yeah I don't know let me see. They'll tell us Chad if that's quit all right. So big nick is using the same symbol. I guess it is pounds. He says Uk You'RE GONNA have seventy five worth of pay per views. Yeah because sky you know I mean Look Cross your fingers that takes over for you guys man you know and you ain't gotta worry about. This is a haymaker and matching boxing. Co promoted event haymaker got himself involved in Derek or business right before. The second deleon white matching honest. He's been able to do good things for Derek dirges. Oil was feeling Underpaid and things like that in You know looks like Lincoln up with David. Hey Helping them with the business side has definitely helped his profile here. He is in a pay per view. Event for world title eliminator with you know who Mario considers the greatest cruiserweight since event. Holyfield so How tickets are available for purchase for the oath to priority members from midday on Thursday march twelfth via the oath to at the W. W. dot co two dot UK. You could also get five pass. Tickets will be available for purchase for matching box and fight pass members this is all UK stuff like little packages. That Eddie likes to put on for you guys. So you feeling good They say big. Nick says we use pounds in the UK is all right so I was right with that if you watch it on Youtube. Don't forget they hit that thumbs up by and helps with the visibility. Show helps US grow and you know. The more views means You know we don't need everyone to sign up to bring back us. So what about getting the show to a million views and then we get Mike back quickly. so look matchup wise. I already tainted my mind with sick. Running I'm being judgmental. I know it's early but I believe he's going to definitely tried to outbox the tough durable veteran inches or I'm I don't think we're GONNA have a typical heavyweight fight. That's not what he's here for Ya I'M NOT GONNA lie tainted my mindset a little bit too. I guess tainted the bad words so that doesn't really make sense but it. Yeah it's definitely affected the way I'm GonNa see this fight a little bit but at the same time it. Oh come on. We know the sport we you know we could have called that a little bit. Here's the thing though a guy like tear Derek. Zora he is. I think it'll be perfect for an but not not perfect. He's GonNa make it a tough fight. He's very strong. He's very durable in the ring. He's he's a guy that can take and give and and and an exchange with the best of them but my whole point is that his style I think will play into six ability to not look like a dancer quote Unquote Or runner quote unquote. You know it's GonNa make him look Maybe I wouldn't say it's GonNa it's GonNa be so so incredible. He's going to start to look like a boxer puncher in there or something like that right. Any kind of is a little bit but I would say though that Derek lines up for him perfectly so you know. This is his chance to really take away. All the shit that has been said about you know. His cancelled fights and his postponements. And you know not fighting anybody in the heavyweight division this is his real debut this is his real shot and so you know we'll see what he's got. I mean he's definitely gone through quite a few dates and even opponents may be absolutely. I'm excited slightly. Like I said I feel like I can put up a good tough rugged fight for UCLA. But I feel that. The boxing skill of are you know they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA they're gonNA prevail to be that that factor that gets him to win his just like. Zora was doing so good in that dillion second fight man and then bomb got was doing and I don't believe because that type of power I believe it was stay away from them. Stay on his toes. He's got good stamina. I look there's no reason for me to say this other than normal people fade as they get older. You know But but he's getting the version of Derek Zora. That is most likely to hit the canvas in the fight is most likely to make Aleksei. You know if he was fighting this version of Sora from what like even five six seven eight years ago. He's he's Never GonNa stop that guy you know. He's in there with a dog and he has a dog but at the same time he's not You know he's not as Gerbils used to be because he's older. It's simple as that and I wouldn't even say he's gotten old in the sense that most people use that phrase In boxing but I would say that you know he's aged he seasoned and If you're going to have ever have a chance against a guy like this to take him out. This is that version of him that he could take out. You know a man. How old is I always forget me? See Wah you look that up. How many cases is it? Four hundred and fifty six cases in the UK of Corona virus. I don't know I thought it was more than that. But maybe it's not. We have a thousand. I know that but I think four hundred is a lot. I don't know I didn't know they were the hot AC. The number could be wrong if someone could update me. 'cause I'm just wondering. Is there a possibility of this event being cancelled it is after is absolutely a possibility of this event Being canceled look a boxing is like we don't have a central centralized mind you know we don't have an NBA or or an MLB or an NFL right. So we're hearing from guys like Vince. Mcmahon the WWE MLB and and what's his name the Commissioner from basketball. We're hearing from these people and they're getting together and they're making Nelson's boxing like these guys are all scattered all over the place. I promise you that it has been talked about much more than we even know and and these guys are discussing how long they're gonNa have to shut things down for It's just that we don't have a centralized home base where these guys can get together. And beyond one message you know. Instead maybe goldenvoice thinking about suspending activities for a month and maybe The UK's waiting to get past a certain Hump in a but it's it's going to happen at some point these fight you're going to get cancelled You know it's just it's just where we are at this point Yemen. You know I'm just bringing it up because this guy has had very bad luck and you know he'll get the blame for this definitely from me if this event is county road Lever Corona. I'm just saying Bro. I I know what you mean I hear I hear. She was four hundred sixty by the way good. Good good memory Yemen That's what she said right. You said for sixty one in terms of viruses it cases yeah in UK Fifty-six is what were you. Were for off because someone sent me like one of those maps and it was so scary. It felt like I was in the resident evil movie and I had when I clicked. The link was alive. Update of the globe as the cases are popping up and on the left is like every country and you can just scroll and see. It's just like Geez Louise Brough. Iran had like fifty six hundred s managers. Did they got fifty? Six Hundred Day was the one that started over it. No one else has that many. I don't think I think actually I'm trying to find links. I could see where it's at now because It was a listener of the sodas. Sent me the link. Actually Yeah Because they because it has shit. I'm afraid I'm a fan of some other foreign countries hospital with. Nah I'll stay here and and look the first New Jersey man died or the first American. I don't know but he was like sixty died in Jersey. He was like sixty something though. He was already old with with his own pre existing conditions and stuff like that so hopefully it doesn't cancel this event. Man You know. I'm ready to see what is other than fanatics. Damn Italy has over. Twelve thousand holy smokes Italy's on shut down. You can't get in a row now. You can't that's always about handed. We're averaging three per hour we Americans really because the last time I checked thousand or Undergrad at thousand. No we're at thousand. We'd probably over now but we're at a thousand but we're averaging three new cases every hour. I forgot whose instagram I was following and I seen like yesterday. And he's like Yo. Everybody's acting all crazy over the corona virus when the flu kill twelve thousand people in the last ninety days. And nobody's going crazy because we all know the flu so it's nothing to panic about because we've heard in some if you were trying to politicize it you know what I'm saying and it's it's fucked up because they're some people trying to like scare people like all this shit could just be anywhere days after the person that had it was they're like no that's not fucking true at all. You know. This is just like a cold or a flu. You get it the same way you know you wanNA protect yourself from growing. You don't have to stay home. Just stop touching your face. Wash your hands regularly. You know use use a hand sanitizer keep shit on you. You know. Set an alarm every thirty minutes just walking. We want sanitizing washing smoke weed. It kills the corona virus from inside. I haven't heard any cases reported of Known Weed. Smokers just skips over exag-. There's this protective cloud in there. What do you mean? I don't like European fighters I love me. Some Gennady Lufkin. Who Else is European Billie Joe. Such a nice chat. Let let me and my friend Dove Cross into his Bentley in not make us pay. He's a great guy. He's a great mate. But anyway let me get out to these callers. Nancy who wants to talk the minus eight hundred six taking on the plus four fifty two Zora in what they're calling Heavyweights collide twenty third of. May the Oh to going out to the sponsors. You know the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right. Voices of people hotline. These calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com subscribe to YouTube dot com slash. The boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with Dole favorite fighters. Remember to write us. Five stars on Itunes. Right all right all right. Let me see. We're going out to dray up. Dray TRAE. In obey what up nest. We bought the have to listeners. We going out to Florida gone tonight. Roy What are without none much much I like this news man. I think it definitely gives his first real test that heavyweight The I'd say this much I think local win by decision. The only thing is He to me was picks it up too late man. He really doesn't get going to like four or five rounds in you know. Did it rebel? You Witherspoon And so's dog rough. He comes out. You know hot and heavy and the first four rounds we all know. Listen it takes one shy. Not seuss. Lustig equilibrium them. Legs get the shaking and he can't recover. I mean it could be in trouble big time early enough. You know so. I think we'll seek needs to pick it up early Not that he needs to come in and try to knock him out early. But just you know get more active in the in the beginning of the fight. 'cause if not You know to source a dog man. He's GonNa come out there and he's definitely going to try to rough him up he's going to you know. Try to introduce them to the division properly so You know I think we'll seek were winning but I'm not couches sort out you know. And I don't think he should be that much of an underdog either But yeah I mean that's all I got appreciation now man I think I think they're right. I think I mean look. Don't get me wrong. You're you're absolutely right about the belly fight That looked pretty weird unit. I mean like He lost some rounds. He got hit a little bit but in Belly. Two different styles belly so much straight or what his punches leukemia crouches down. I mean not. Excuse me to Zora Lucia crouches down and and just Let's hands go slightly less maybe than belew man belly coming up from a lighter weight and stuff like that let me go out to with looks like Boomerang in the UK cayote words. You know what's going on what's going on what Uptown Mario. Up What Up. Yeah Yeah so just to say 'cause you know national talking about this. Kate Elliott show when What's his name is actually came up heavyweight. He did not you fight Tough guys until about his third fight. I think the guy he's a guy called Jim Phillips how about setting losses And that was the first guy who fought when Kim's everywhere so I think we'll see whether at three losses not to buy from the only I think this is a good size. Lewis by Sunday firing so I actually peaking which is normally see cup. But there's going to be interesting. I wonder what the odds apple that Bobby speaking tours. A plus four fifty so one hundred bucks get you forfeit the we'll be back to you on your boomerang status unless you got anything else. Just what did you what what what did you think about the guy who had that I mean? Boxing wasn't what it is now bro. That's the difference remember. He probably fought with thirteen losses off TV. Six fighting Chaz weatherspoon. Cvs is different. The Times are different. Raymond savage is going to be someone. Raymond savage four to somebody something we're going to have on shows like five and all five of his side's been on TV ammo Williams. All his fights have been on TV. Tom's different we can keep comparing. You know the of yesteryear to this to this time because is just not the same anymore so a lot more demand on these fighters not only do they have to look and act well in the media and publicly but they have to have a clean social media profile and they have to just do so more so much more than back then and I think because of that. They're also more popular than back then. I know some of these legendary names. You know we'll always be synonymous with boxing and obviously we're not talking about them but the average fighter you know reaches more people now than back in the day like you can buy the fucking Washington posts if you lived in New York like how. How did you get it? You couldn't in the main so you news didn't travel as fast as it does now for this generation's point. I'm trying to make yellow me switch gears real quick while looking up the resume of vander just to see if he was. You know correct I saw the fight with George Foreman. Yoed why did you stop doing those shows where you would just pick a fight that hasn't been done in forever or hadn't been watching forever. I guess and member because we did that foreman fight I remember. I don't remember. He's a patriot. They man and just you know we. We look because we do so many spontaneous shows it kinda takes away from from doing those private patriots shows. But no you're right you know going back and watching some of those. Oh stoorikhel fights are always good. But you're talking about you're talking about you know dudes that are known to be. Bangor's unanimity VANDA FORM. And like you GonNa get crackers with dumb. No yeah and that's what I'm saying like there's so many other ones so many other fighters that You know to recommend what would you recommend? Man Amir Khan's probably one of the greatest crackers of all time versus laws non. Just listen no you know what we think. Amir Khan has Amir Khan's most greatest win and it isn't his greatest performance because of the adversity suffered in that town brown where arguably it could have been stopped if not for the help of Joe. Cortez and a point deduction for an elbow. May Donna never through. But that's as big as win. Which is maybe ten years ago not said not ten. I'm exaggerating good seven. It's probably pretty close. So yeah it's probably about seven or eight Yeah I hear you Mayweather the dude ironically. Enough guy that he's always wanted to fight makes his win his only greatest win the greatest has ever been because that dude the ring with fluid in and if it wasn't for that would we believe in and it was tough to what was tough the fourth. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah but what I'm saying is a mere gets more cachet because Madonna went on to beat Boehner and five fluid twice. Of course. Of course. You're no you're absolutely right That win it really ages. Well you know what I'm and that's what I'm saying my energies the same Bra. You go find a episode where hosts a CTO verses. May Donna Picco seat though or I was extremely surprised or excited. Those was like he was down south up like five. Nothing in my opinion then got stopped in a six or something like that like I never thought Donald I picked Ronin to beat Maidana in an I mean I I mean he made me look bad a lot. Don't get me wrong said with. Yeah no I actually real quick to. It's it's weird because it's like you look at the odds for this fight. And and and I think that the the minus eight hundred reflect a betting patterns that we're GONNA see But but I usually do like an inverse thing and say okay will is The opponent in eight to one dog. No He's not so. I'm not taking that money. You know what I mean. So it's kind of like a weird little situation there with the bedding. Yeah I mean eight to one is very you know. That's too much bro. Not really when you think Andy was twelve to one. Sixteen one. Twenty-one right like Zora was tested. More than Andy Andy only laws once but she has been in the ring with so many people unit amine. So maybe that's why he's holding a little more value. I don't know I don't know I just hope he puts up a good of A. I hope he puts book. Good enough fight because honestly for the way you guys high up sick. I would expect wider odds. I mean that's those are pretty wide odds. I think those reflect the The cult following that use gained. Nah I think does reflect it. Well you go back and you check some of his big brother's odds you know 'cause he's just a copy of Chanko in some ways Has been like a minus five thousand against people bro. Like check it he he. I'm I was expecting that lease on on a safe and you know what I mean. Wow maybe maybe twelve hundred. You weren't your hype in for fucking Youtube Bro. If Andy Sixteen to one and he only laws wants to Zorro laws nine times is how old you're supposed to look it up on my bed. Just thirty nine thirty thirty six thirty us. That's not bad. That's not bad credit. He's he's not turning thirty seven until the end of December so he just turned thirty. Six Yeah that's not as bad as I thought it'd be listen here. You know what the problem with Dude Derek. Or is the mother. Fucker looked forty when he was like twenty five. What I'm saying so like you've been watching them as long as we've been watching them. I mean he I think that he's gotten his fucking. You know birth certificate doc with Luis Ortiz. But yeah so no I I. Yeah that's another show right. Yeah I know it is my only problem with what you say is like are not problem but the only thing that makes it reflected my mind. A little different is that. I look at Dirk. Sora and he's never had the immature issues that any reasons hat in the ring. Yeah I'm not going to say never but he's definitely come to fight and he'll always fight with with with you know on the other side of the coin. You know you have a heavyweight. Who's just he's not trained. Well he's eaten a SLOB. He's just he's never had I'm not going. He's never had the disciplined but the discipline. It's faltered many times. So it's a me that might reflect the odds a little different but I could be wrong. I mean you know I mean I don't want to Piss people off because I just made a point and then I could be wrong but my man says Zoro never had a top ten win. I mean that's not true. His his his his robber lineas win looking. Beto did Eleni is knockout Zora. I'm amounted to Google this way. What did you say what happened? Where Lenny is Zora who won at a split decision Hilarious won a split decision. Though damn so maybe maybe maybe sit in Florida is right in saying that. Zora never had a top ten win. What about Maliki Scott Not Skinny now? I mean you know. Maybe that time he was top ten. Maybe I mean fuck was he sure. As fuck was undefeated. That man was under Scott. Did A lot of jail time may be. I know he was of the ring for some time. I remember his little story show buys but actually covered his first fight back. Believe it or not going about Sam Sexton Zoe's been domestic. I don't think he was top ten nationally but but he actually what he he beats sexton some going to agree on the green. Now I look through it all. I agree wow shit I think Maliki Scott is his biggest win. The only thing I can think of is I think Spilka was a better opponent. Tougher was accrues away. Moving up through wildly for that. They can't give to Zorro credit. But it's gotta be it's gotTa be me Scott. But she knows that second dillion white. That kind of reassess reemerged him back and putting laws for those I know Carlos Taegu's Carlos tackle his biggest win but I don't think Carlos has ever won a top ten five either like international top ten like universal top. Ten All sacraments definitely not because we can always find a top ten in sanctioning body the way that you know. Oh Yeah Yeh talking about like yeah. We're talking about like hardcore top ten in the heavyweight division rivals like general idea like even if somebody has white like as a number number one for whatever reason lizzy still have fury and they still have wilder and they start everybody in their top. He's got decent. Secondary winds are dispute. David Price Carlos tag on Maliki. Scott those are all decent B minus B. Plus fighters united mean depending who you arguing with That's it that's it man. So he's got a that's what I'm saying. He should be a bigger dog. He should be a bigger dog. But you know. I don't know they'd given Hella credit out of it. If for like I know for for heart I guess but let's go out to civilian eleven talk to me. You Hear Me Loud and clear my mute. It good yeah man. I'm I'm just happy to see the fight. Man I'M GONNA put my money on Move on my money on to Sora. These upsets has been Make me a little bit of gas money. Here lately. You know A homicide about it so You know I mean I gotta say man I I you know. She's the dog so I I don't think he's GonNa lay down so you know Hansel all right. Well civilian eleven. Thanks for calling in. We're going to sit in Florida. What up man. I'm over here in Tennessee. Today but Everybody liked the video. And then I feel like you saw like a gatekeeper. You know what I'm saying and I'm like I don't know what you think made up a heavyweight but I feel like he should be able to use that ring generalship and get this dude. Outta here because she saw always lost all his biggest fights you know so I mean it's going to be interesting while the last I'm going for usage by decision. I don't think he's GonNa Stop Them. But I got the decision and now everybody liked the fucking videos. I sixty eight legs with twenty two hundred people on. Come on Nash over its shown. There's some love that's all our government sill man thanks for calling. Zora is a gatekeeper. All admit this he he could be. Maybe but if he is he's that fucking ghostbusters gatekeeper urine. He's he's a leasing challenge. He's a decent challenge. But you definitely gotta be you know a B. Plus fighter. That's what that does resume says. Dillion white people arguably think he's a minus fighter. You know what Yeah No. I hear what you're saying. But it's like when you think of Gay Hebrew I think of guys like Miranda Geyser like tough but are supposed to be beat We'll obviously he's I mean he's not fighting anymore. But now that's listen at this stage of his career. Na Na at this stage of his career with nine losses three by way of knockout and he's been already in how many world title fights. He's absolutely a gatekeeper. Always making another run at it. He's making another run at it and this is an eliminator. This is admirable. But so let me ask you. He's not he fought fucking tyson fury twice like Bro. He fought Tyson fury twice. He Fought Vlad. He fought he fought. David Hey like he fought dillian twice like I mean Birla. He's he's what he fall poulet already he even for the up and coming Agit CABOT. Bill doesn't sound like he's been around about. How many total Pfizer we got. Damn thirty forty one. Oh you gotTA count the losses. You absolutely right. They go forty one feis man. He'd been around his block. But let me ask you a question. Butte in two thousand seven seven. I know I just saw that. I was like what the police but but let me ask you a question real quick. Okay so this is the way. I think of gatekeeper. In a way. So if it's a black box and that's why it doesn't sit well with you but as Durch Zora is if he wins. Is that at the top of the list and will probably more than likely win upset of the year. Absolutely how talk? Don't it's never won a top? Ten fight beat an undisputed cruiserweight and not get fired like e should get comeback of the year. You know upset of the year you know ship. Whatever else they could think of the D. give him at that point. Might as well get the key to the city. Honestly honestly bro You. I mean look. You can write a virus. Listen to me. You couldn't write a better story ADO born in Africa. You know somewhere in. Zimbabwe beats sick on Haber view. Ira He could. He could kick up his feet after that. It's over it's over because think about it. He's GonNa get so much cachet because UC go ready Bellevue so UK fans are invested. They notice guy now in an amine and they would they WANNA and more than the chair for Derek and get one back for the. Oh you know. Uk and all that but let me go back to Boomerang Cayote what up. Yeah now listen I think that I don't think she's all right. You keep a. I guess it depends on how you look at. I think that He's he doesn't have I mean for me is actually I think I think that For like decent competition and he's beat some like famed in who is ten eighty. Now you can be calling. I bet you once you call his over. I'M GONNA go to obtain and we'll say the most popular names tack them won't fit. Yeah I think I point. He was definitely talking. I mean he was number two. Ibm STOCK WHY AJ. At the time. Right I I it is number one is number one in the WBO and he taught nobody so you know that don't mean nothing that's why we say Hall Colin's Top Day. No reason why because number one because the view of everything is reason everything has is reason. That's what I'm trying to explain to you but what I'm saying you remember those a time. How come for What's his name. I perfected at the time of day can ever be. I agree with him that that that That Derek is not a gatekeeper in the traditional sense at all He's guy you could build your name off of it but that's not necessarily gatekeeper okay. I don't agree. That talk was ever top ten. Because I'm looking at it right now. Look they fought in two thousand eighteen. That was like two years ago. Needs to already ranked twenty seven in the world like Boxer egg but I'm looking at these names. I mean I would put at least twenty people ahead of them just looking at this. Maybe Norway tack them was top ten. Look Anthony Joshua Tyson fury. I'm not even a mention Nusa. Because he don't belong there. Andy Ruiz Deontay Wilder Dylan White Alexander. Pevec and pool lab Ortiz. Just saw you could go to resort or you go parker. Oh yeah that's what I'm saying is people that don't make the cut and talk them. It's definitely one so so even if you go to Zora then you go. Parker Hunter arguably be PEVEC was rob. Which way and even mentioned PEVEC and you know what I mean. Oscar rebus brothers so many people that there's no way those guys fit like top ten is tight tie would have had Kalanaki way ahead of him before the fight and after the fight I still have them ahead of him so quickly. Who has tackled? Let me click on tagged because this is what I'm saying this with the UK. Do they're trying to somehow no? Don't disrespect our coaches. Oh it's like come on Bradley. Would you mean if a dude ain't when he ain't win we can't make shit happen from UK but you know? Oh yes he is. It's he created from the UK the ain't here is in. That's his injury but I thought that was him just because he loves them. I did not. I mean listen he might be like Zora he might be light to Zora Nigeria. No African. But he's definitely from the UK. So I'm going to. I'm a screen shish too because you can't make these resumes up the way. I WANNA to prompt these dues up. His BIGGEST WIN MIGHT BE FIDEL MALDONADO. And he just got that under the old boy band. Star boxing. Common opponent with Zora Sinaga she but he lost the two zero loss to AJ Lost to Parker lost to PEVEC in law. Draw with Mike Perez. Tony Thomson Tony Thompson. He got a win over Tony Thompson. Back in two thousand and fourteen so I mean look man. You can't make this stuff up you go to you. Go to and even worse in an after the next call. Can YOU RE RE DI price the pricing chart for the fight after the next call? Sure sure sure. Sure I mean We just didn't you had it in front of you. A few more calls just seen some people pop going on Okay skype but really quick prices for the tickets or forty pounds sixty pounds eighty pounds hundred pounds hundred and fifty pounds two hundred pounds four hundred pounds eight hundred for VIP Brandon. Cincinnati Awesome Mario. I'm Audie I'm good. Speaking believe it received a chance. You say that my boy come back year man. I'm taking a USA in this fight possibly by stoppage of never been big on a decent but he's kind of like the. Uk's Hank Lundy Oh Jews. That's a fucking amazing analogy because they both talk good shit. They both pretty tough fighters but as good analogy dog nice makes for interesting press conference you know entertaining offers. No but he's lose. Would he price top guys? I got winning possibly even stop any late. No He's probably not going to be in the best shape at the ground six gassing who's GonNa probably stopping so I'm taking fight. That's my car. I have a good one man. That was the dopes call. Yeah so real quick Those because I wasn't sure what pounds how they Translated so that those tickets range from fifty to five hundred twelve dollars. Okay Fifty to five hundred twelve and the VIP is over a thousand which I don't really count. It's tickets because we all know that the people that buy are usually businesses and stuff and those are usually reserved for people that are buying in bulk for businesses Sponsors or whatever so fifty to five twelve all right all right all right. We're going out to new lease. Jt What's going on so actually over the make up really chiefly shifts. Hey you know. We're doing it the way I want to talk to you. You have a problem. Turn off your station. It was a nurse was up a Mario. A Whistler shopping about I'm glad you came on sick versus Zora is official may twenty third London o two arena. I got a Lucic in their fight and You know I wanted to give mirer little credit. I think You sleep in a little bit as as heavyweight. I think he wanted upbeat. Nancy Jackson that fight take Without still that's all you're talking about the topic a like I said I I was saying losing against Anthony Josh. That fight was to take place. I didn't think he'd beat him. He quit he is a better all around. I guess he might not have the power but he go have the skills in the wheel on the B. S. jostle stiff as but I mean that's got on a call with shutout the TV you know Let's see let's get Mike Back to God. I would love that fight. Jt Man. Thanks for calling in so so look so we got this thumbs up. Video Right I think bowl-a-thon made this. Maybe maybe belay the made this. Let me see it's at. It's an infamous Thumbs UP VIDEO. You know so it hurts the. Uk's films it's Andy Ruis going ham on Aj but you see us as hit that thumbs up. It's still called action right so PC jacobs like yeah. I'm GonNa send you a mean video of wilder. You GotTa play it and I'm like yeah as long as it says you know. They hit that thumbs up in an and can't just be clown in my man shit so he makes video and instead of saying hit that thumbs says man down come on how to play that it is in the call to action is down like you see how minds just say hit. That sounds up man down. I'm saying crazy man. You can't pay these people to make this stuff. I'm telling you they just off the top for them stone boombox in Colorado would up. Yes decent fight man to Zora. He wanted to do get respect for being too. Zorba to me. It would be more like trying to qualify to be a title contender not mandatory. So just a decent five men I I don't. I don't think he got the party. Lifezette them guys heavyweight he can beat a guy like Zora who's probably twenty years in a fine probably ten years past his prime so if we judging him off ten year passes prime heavyweights weighing on. Be doing much judge. He should win. This I'm Batman my best. I'm bringing back into this because they tried to compare. The imagine bird was fighting a thirty six year old well to wait the never won a top ten fight man. The energy never the same with these people is crazy. Nfl like you no matter what you might think he has be a person who beat a champion Jeff Hornby Pack? Y'All Jeff Horn held the bill which is or is not beating these guys. He he's not GonNa to do it definitely not now so but this better than sponge and teaspoon in autumn guys so I guess it is what it is. A sponge. Don't know how to lose with a spoon. Is Is Club. Show fighter at best sponge at Lisa's undefeated in boxing. Like I don't know man he got somewhere. Aj Ad that man. I would rather sponge. Man I mean look to Zora because you don't know why. We like Zora diversions. Andy we all know which is always showing up. We know he'd been coming in heavy sometimes. Two issues I know. I'm not I'm not going to judge him on his pass because he say he changed you. Say Turn Life over the guy. He don't drink no more allegedly. I don't know and that was a interview. Ask them do so. I don't know if anything has changed but you know he's got his own closet. Boomerang Troy I don't you know I'M NOT GONNA agree with everybody arches or because for two reasons. You sick is an editorial slow-starter. She's always a fast daughter and I don't know where people are getting their. Is this top heavyweight? What does he doesn't approve the top heavyweight and his friend for all his loss is. He's lost the top guys right thousand pass. He's Chooser is on what? What a six five. Probably Street where he hasn't lost right number four about four. Yeah four or five three three three I I just. I just think that the brother has found a purposes. I haven't seen he's still has that rage anybody's under control and I think he knows this is his last route to do something big. So he might. He might shock people just like he did with What's the brother to Champion right talk might be much shock people to him. Yeah so I mean. I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks USA cal because I haven't seen him do anything and heavyweight yet not not a blasted thing if he wins. Talk Troy China chummy up to me and shit pickings Zoro Vucic Let's see who we got. We got a couple of callers on blog. Talk you press one. You need to press one so I know that We're going to you. And but sure ray with the boomerang. That still just listening I we going. Then we're going to go up there we go. We got a Seattle Washington. Mr From the fights you believe win shot. I don't care what to do. Good I do take the baby man. I would love to see Lucic says he. Finally you know injured or some shit like that. You know it's funny. How efficiently make it up the Anthony Joshua but she wanted to four and I think I WanNa go for sure going to win because I can't have you no I ain't going to say but I can't have that happen so going for over one hundred percent all right to many mother fuckers when dominancy add. Thanks for calling in all right. 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I don't want to have to go through anybody else I just want you. You're not even like man. You're not even rain. I just want you man how come I can't just get you. I mean Communist. Aj How many people want Aj not necessarily man? You headed snake you. You're the boss of this and Nestor. I like him you out next to him in Boston. And I'm just busted bitch like you always say you know I need oxygen. You know I'm a coward because I use my heart condition I just want you. That's been rain get ranked. That's okay I I'm not GonNa talk to you about this anymore because I just want you. Activists and Delia white just wanted wilder. I can't do it with anybody else. Nesta Endesa fact not lying or anything like that. I can't make any fucking where you I could do it with you but I can't go through a bunch of people and have to fight. No you ain't got people you gotta get ranked though you can't even Loma Tank. Not having any other brother. That's what I'm trying to tell you. 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Use of drug boosted by Trump, Fox News not borne out by science

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:05 min | 1 year ago

Use of drug boosted by Trump, Fox News not borne out by science

"The show on MSNBC happy to have you with us here tonight The United States now has over eight hundred thirty three thousand confirmed cases of Corona virus. Our national death toll as of tonight is over. Forty six thousand three hundred dead and keep in mind. That's that's over the course of only about a month more than forty six thousand. Americans have died daily. Death toll is pretty consistently now over two thousand Americans dying every day and for the first few weeks of this epidemic. Of course America's death numbers and hospitalization numbers A. We're all really driven by what was going on in New York because it was so much worse than New York than it was everywhere else in the country but now we're seeing two thousand plus American deaths a day. We're seeing record. High new death numbers each day. That's happening while. New York's Daily death. Toll is falling every day. New York's death tolls pretty consistently falling everyday now while the overall death toll for the country keeps hitting new highs will why is that it does not take an epidemiological genius to see why that is. It means that we're starting to see the American body count now reflect rising death tolls everywhere else after New York went I it also does not take an epidemiological genius to see where exactly it is that most Americans are now being killed by. This thing doesn't take any genius at all. It does take an Internet connection and a willingness to subscribe to lots of local newspapers. If you want to figure that out because if you want to figure out where most Americans are dying now as American death tolls hit new highs. It turns out the numbers are things you have to go look for. Those numbers are hidden in the local news. And sometimes now. They're hidden on obscure state government websites. But if you go looking you can find it if you want to figure out where the most Americans are dying and as a corollary to that where we should look to try to save the most American lives. You can find those numbers if you look. You just have to look local. So here for example the Arizona Republic where reporters have ferreted out by their own reporting that more than half the total deaths in Mira Copa County Arizona. Which is by far the largest county and Arizona a majority of the cove in nineteen deaths in Maricopa county have been deaths in nursing homes long term care facilities state of Arizona isn't releasing that data. They are weirdly releasing statewide data about covert nineteen cases. That's broken down by ZIP code. That's how they've decided to do their data. But at the Arizona Republic newspaper there reporters crunched those numbers and compared the data available from the state with the data that they could access public source and films. That sure. Enough if you do that math if you compare those zip codes it turns out ZIP. Codes with nursing homes in them have a higher number of cove in Nineteen Cases. Then Zip codes where there aren't nursing homes and as I said a majority of that county's deaths are nursing home deaths. You'll find similar information anywhere. You look in the country Here's here's Illinois Winnebago County Illinois. A majority of deaths in that county are attributable in that case to one nursing home with multiple deaths so far skip over to North Carolina. The state won't do the math for you in North Carolina but if you crunch the numbers are now putting out daily you can figure out that so far. It appears that forty five percent of the deaths from cove in nineteen in the state of North Carolina have been Americans who lived in nursing homes and residential care facilities forty five percent of the statewide toll in Pennsylvania. Were there have been some huge outbreaks in nursing homes and where they've been the. They've started sending in the National Guard to help out in some nursing homes. The state governments numbers. Now show that a majority of cove in nineteen deaths in Pennsylvania are in nursing homes more than eight hundred deaths in nursing homes out of the roughly sixteen hundred deaths statewide. We reported last week on what appeared to be really large outbreak in beaver county. Pennsylvania which is one county out towards the Ohio state line local reporters and beaver county. Now say they believe that nursing home deaths account for all but five of the known deaths in that Whole County. Thirty one known deaths in that county officially twenty. Six of them from nursing homes Virginia is Tacky tracking with the state calls outbreaks of Kovic nineteen around the state They've identified tons of individual outbreaks. That's how they are tracking what's going on in the state of Virginia State of Virginia. Now says that a majority of the known outbreaks in that state are in nursing homes and a majority of the new outbreaks. Virginia's in Virginia are in nursing homes to at one Virginia facility alone at the Canterbury rehabilitation and healthcare center outside Richmond. Virginia they felt forty nine. Americans die already at that one facility in Connecticut the Hartford Current reports today that the Kimberley whole North Facility in Windsor Connecticut thirty five Americans have died state reported last week that they had nine dead at that facility nine last week this week. It's thirty five at the whispering Pines facility in East Haven Connecticut. They've had twenty four Americans lose their lives. The current reports that they've got less than seventy residents there but twenty four residents dead this weekend. Connecticut Governor Ned. Lamont ordered personnel from the state health department to visit every one of the nursing homes in the state of Connecticut to assess the needs of those facilities today. He said he hopes that mobile testing units can help get all residents tested in those facilities to Connecticut says so far they know that forty percent of the code nineteen deaths in the state of Connecticut are in nursing homes. If you look anywhere in the country this is what you will find in Michigan. The city of Detroit is trying to get all of its nursing home residents tested by tomorrow. Detroit's mayor says there's no point in breaking out which Detroit nursing homes have cove nineteen in which don't the city believes all nursing homes in the city have it so far the effort at universally testing all nursing home residents in Detroit has revealed that approximately twenty six percent of all nursing home residents have it twenty six percent positive and of course once this population is exposed to crow virus. They are the most likely to die from it. So if more than one in four nursing home residents in Detroit already has it. Forgive me but my God think about that for a second if think about transmission risks in nursing homes and then think about the risk of death for nursing home residents who get if more than one in four nursing homes in Detroit one in four nursing home residents in Detroit already has it my God. Forgive me but as a country that should be a clanging alarm bell that should signal us as a country to move heaven and earth to try to keep those residents alive in. Detroit nursing homes to try to protect the rest of them who aren't yet infected will be at such a high risk of death if they become infected in those facilities. I mean this is not front. Page news for some reason. But if you look at the numbers if you think about what? We're going to be accountable for as American citizens when we look back on this time and we look at the death toll the staggering death toll of tens of thousands of Americans dying for this. The number of Americans who are dying can be discerned big. You waited in a very clear sense. And where Americans are dying in. The largest numbers is in Nursing Home. So we can't just slough that off and let that happen and say that's inevitable. I mean this is where most Americans are losing their lives. Shouldn't we therefore use the most resources that we have in those facilities to try to keep those Americans going to try to keep those Americans alive to try to keep them uninfected to provide to those facilities? What they need to save the most people and some states are trying. We've been covering this for a few weeks now and we are seeing changes. We are seeing some states trying. We're seeing some cities for example. Detroit trying for universal testing of all residents in Detroit nursing. Homes that is very good if they have revealed that more than one in four residents in their nursing homes already has it that reveals a huge need for resources and help to keep those Americans alive to protect the ones who aren't infected. Now but they're living in congregate population where one in every four people around them is positive. It's one thing to have the data but with the data tells us is now we must act and we are getting more data. That has changed over the course of these past few weeks. We have been covering the states like New York. State and Illinois are are posting cases and deaths for individual nursing homes now if not daily then every few days other states are posting other more random slightly less useful information like ranges of cases and county countywide case numbers but not individual facilities. We're seeing other states. Post some stuff. Individual facilities giving us case numbers and deaths is the most helpful. The federal government has now told nursing homes nationwide that they should tell nursing home residents and their families and also the CDC if they've got a case of corona virus inefficiency. But that's a pretty non specific piece of information and nobody knows what's going to produce in terms of useful information for the rest of US knowing what places need attention and help what's going on right now in the state of Massachusetts in Massachusetts Nursing. Home deaths are fifty four percent of the state's deaths. And so if you've died from corona virus in the State of Massachusetts. Statistically you are most likely to have been in nursing home resident when you died say government Massachusetts said within the last couple of weeks that they would provide free testing for all nursing home residents and all staff at all nursing homes in the state yesterday the State Health Director in Massachusetts announced. That had gotten a little screwed up. Some facilities did get visited by these mobile testing units where the National Guard comes in and a mobile testing unit. They carry out the testing. That's apparently been fine but for some other facilities in Massachusetts with the State Health Department did is. They decided that they would just mail test. Kits male corona virus tests to those facilities. I guess assuming the nursing homes would know what to do with those tests in large part. They did not know what to do with those tests quote from the Boston Globe today. Long Term Care facilities appeared to be ill equipped to collect the samples properly. Officials said after sending fourteen thousand tests. The state says only four thousand tests were returned and many of those were unlabeled or in leaking tubes because of that. Massachusetts is now at least for now gonNa go back to just sending the mobile testing unit of the National Guard. Come in and do the testing instead of mailing these facilities stuff and asking them to do it themselves but I want to highlight that for a second for a few reasons number one credit Massachusetts for at least trying to test everyone that needs to happen everywhere and nursing home residents and staff need to be tested not just once but on an ongoing basis credit Massachusetts also for admitting where part of that effort went wrong. So that if other states decide to emulate what they'll do they're doing at least they will know but that part of it didn't work but also it's worth noticing what happened here in Massachusetts because we should learn from that one of lessons here with what went wrong in Massachusetts with this well-intentioned effort is that. I think it's really easy to overestimate the medical capabilities of nursing homes and long term care facilities since we have been covering this on this show. We have heard from a lot of them. And this is what we hear over and over again. Nursing homes and long term care facilities are the places where in many states most of the Cova deaths are happening but nursing homes and long term care facilities are not hospitals. Many of these places have minimal highly highly trained medical staff but because thousands of Americans are on track to die in these facilities unless we get them what they need unless we get them testing unless we get them help with infection control unless we help them with best practices and equipment to keep the residents from infecting each other and to keep the staff from infecting the residents and vice versa. One of the things that's going to need to be scaled up in these facilities is trained medical staff. They need people and I know. A lot of these places are privately. Owned the vast majority of them are privately owned and the companies are running these places we would hope would be able to scale up and ask people and add more trained medical staff to the usual roster that they've got a people but if they don't have that is that a reason for us to condemn the people who live in those facilities to death nursing homes and long term care facilities need people. They need more people than they would usually have. Under normal circumstances. These are not normal circumstances. They need extra staff to bolster for example normal ships for when their staff members are out sick themselves or when they're staff members are not coming to work because they've been exposed and they've been told to quarantine it's very important that people who work in nursing homes. Don't come to work sick. And that if they are exposed they do quarantine staff who are out sick or on quarantine should be paid to stay home. They should not fear for losing their jobs. If they're out sick or they've been told to quarantine therefore we need to support nursing homes with additional staff so that their regular staff can stay out of work if public health demands that they do. We need them not coming in because of short staffing because they're worried about their jobs or because there's no sick pay and yeah we would want there to be better facilities for that. We'd want there to be a better way of handling that. And all these privately run facilities. I get that. Let's reform them in the long run right now. Let'S TRY TO KEEP AMERICANS ALIVE. Who Live in those facilities. It's also becoming clear to me just in covering this just by reading local news reports around the country about this every day that nursing homes at long term care facilities also right now in the short term need extra medical staff that they wouldn't normally have on payroll and we have seen this and other countries like Ireland where they have prioritized the needs of nursing homes and brought in National Health Service staff to bring in addition additional medical expertise to these facilities. That usually not have doctors around or at least not enough doctors around. They're going to need now in a way. They usually don't need expert. Infection control measures supervision for implementing. Those they're going to need more trained nurse visits and trained. Doctor visits to help the staff. Put those things in place and keep them going and yes. I understand that seeing the numbers of deaths in these nursing homes especially in the ones where it's been hard to get information about how many people are infected and how many people have died. It's okay to be mad at nursing homes particularly ones that are aren't well run. It's okay to be mad at them in the long run. It's okay to be mad at them that they don't have the kind of resources and payroll and staffing and administration that can handle the extraordinary needs of this time including letting us know what they need but these are not normal times they have extraordinary needs right now and we as a country need to make extraordinary demands of these facilities right now because they house the Americans who are dying in the greatest numbers from this epidemic. It's no use being mad at nursing homes right now are blaming them. Put that off do it later? This is a time to help them. Keep Americans alive not to blame them and we're going to have to get over some of our feelings about what they should be doing themselves already the public reporting which is something that has been upped over the past couple of weeks. We've been reporting on this part of the pandemic intensively. The public reporting is going to make a difference. Commitments like Massachusetts and Detroit have made to prioritize testing everybody who works and lives in these places whether or not they've got symptoms. Yes do that that. It's going to produce important data but the data is literally step one once we've got that data and as we are getting in that data and even in the absence of that data the right response to recognizing the size of the problem in these facilities is to help them. They're going to need help keeping their patients from being killed in huge numbers. They are going to need help keeping their residents from being killed in huge numbers and that is an American priority. Right now they cannot be left to do and and helping those facilities keep their residents alive should be a priority of the federal government and it should take action by the federal government but honestly they are really not doing anything and again. Be Mad at them. Hold them account. Hold them to account for that. Please please. But in the short run try to keep Americans alive in the absence of federal action to keep the most vulnerable Americans who are dying in the largest numbers alive. It is going to take action by the states which means it's going to be fifty different solutions but hope your state is doing it right and try to make them do it right. If they're not beyond that honestly it's probably going to take action by regular people I mean. Do you know how many nursing homes are in your neighborhood if you live in a city or if you live in the suburb or more spread out rural area. Do you know how many nursing homes and long term care facilities there are in your county a lot of communities we have seen. These heartwarming stories. We've seen so many. Thank yous from doctors and nurses working hospitals about communities breaking their backs trying to get P P E and even homemade masks and face shields and things to hospitals for frontline health workers who are working in hospitals well in many communities. It's now becoming clear. We probably need to get that stuff to nursing homes and long term care facilities to because they are just as much the front lines since we've been covering the Nursing Home Lacuna in our national response here on this show. We've heard from a whole bunch of different people all around the country who have offered to donate and organize supplies for nursing homes and long term care facilities just near where they live. We haven't heard once about a nursing home saying no. We don't need the help. No we don't need the your donations of hand sanitizer. No we don't need your home made mask. We haven't heard of anybody saying no but we have heard a lot about nursing homes responding my saying. Hey nobody else has offered us anything and boy. Do we need it? So I mean how do we how do we do? This may be churches synagogues mosques alumni groups student groups. You Know Book Club Sports Clubs Indivisible Groups your chapter of the League of Women Voters of the Young Republicans on the Rotary Club the Knights of Columbus. Whatever you've got in your town in your life that is geographically specific that is for a specific local area at this point at the community level. It may be adopt your local nursing home time to find out what they need and then advocate and organized to get it to them. And I can't believe I'm saying this. I can't believe that has to be the way we respond as a country to the part of this crisis in which the most Americans are dying but the Daily News on the death toll in these facilities is not getting any better the more reporting there is the more deaths. We are finding the more testing. We're doing the more outrageously high prevalence. We are finding which has deaths waiting to happen. The Daily News on this part of the epidemic shows that just waiting for the government to get it together in terms of protecting these Americans who are most likely to die it is not working at least it is not working fast enough and so it may come down to communities organizing to support the long term care facilities and nursing homes in your town which is astonishing to me. But I don't know a better way and I'm not seeing a better way all right. We're going to be talking with one particular congressman later on this hour. Who has been leading the charge in Congress to try to get the federal government to do something about nursing homes to finally act to try to save American lives here. Illinois Congressman. Jim Schakowsky has been spearheading that in the house. She's going to be joining us. Live from the US capital in just a couple of minutes I should tell you congresswoman Schakowsky is at the Capitol Tonight and able to join us from the camera there because there's going to be vote tomorrow on the next relief bill for the Crisis House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leadership in the House had plans to allow for what would basically amount to remote voting by members of Congress tomorrow for that bill so they didn't all have to get together in that same place to pass the bill. Republicans objected though and so members of Congress will once again have to travel. From all over the country to get together in congregate at the Capitol to pass that bill and the bill I think inevitably will pass. But they'll all have to take the physical risk to be there anyway. Meanwhile the executive branch there continues to be just absolute chaos. At the top one of the top officials working to develop a corona virus vaccine has now filed a whistleblower complaint saying he was removed from that job and demoted as punishment because he spoke out internally against the president continually hyping an unproven drug as a surefire cure corona virus now. Multiple trials have shown serious cardiac complications and increased risk of death for people taking that Apparently we need to shut up than anybody was criticizing the president's and the Fox News Channel. Hyping it for weeks because now it's apparently cost the top vaccine guy in the government. His job we'll have more on that later but it's just a mess. This support is also the week when multiple red state governors are starting to end efforts to suppress the spread of the virus in their states. They're opening stuff back up and that honestly if we're honest about it that is because the president has egged them onto do so even though none of the states opening backup already states like Georgia Florida South Carolina Mississippi. None of them has met any of the White House guidelines for what you're supposed to have in place before you start to reopen. We think about that for a second. The White House's guidelines these are states that have not met any of the thresholds called for in the guidelines in terms of opening backup but those states nevertheless are opening backup anyway and the White House has been encouraging it. But why don't you put up those guidelines then people who don't meet the guidelines of doing it anyway. What was the point of a guidelines? I mean this is exactly the kind of chaos. This president has brought to bear on the crisis from the very beginning. Now that we've got over forty six thousand Americans dead because of it. The chaos at the top appears to be getting more chaotic not less tomorrow as members of Congress convene in Washington to pass that bill. Protesters are going to run a motorcade between the White House and the trump hotel in downtown Washington where they say they plan to dump bodybags at the threshold of the hotel. Seems about right right back. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with author. Rebecca solnit about the remarkable communities that get built amidst disaster. There are people organizing in most communities across the country and doing other forms of it in other countries to figure out. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways? And it's just extraordinary. Seeing both the intensity of this desire to help people you may never meet and the creativity in figuring out how to do it and that is a really important part of who human beings are in times like this that I think is always dormant latent within us it. It's as though it finds fertile soil to grow on in these moments this week on wise's happening search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe update for you on a story. We've been following this week out of Waterloo Iowa where large local a large meat packing plant has been the site of one of the worst corona virus outbreaks in the country on Monday. We had the sheriff of Black Hawk County where that Tyson Foods. Plant located here on the show Talk about the fact that he and other city and county officials had been pleading with the company that runs that Plant Tyson foods. And also with Iowa's Republican governor to please please close down that meat packing plant in Waterloo. Sheriff Tony Thompson told us on Monday night quote. That plant is the biggest hole in our county defense right now. It's creating risks to the entire population of my county when I spoke with Sheriff Thompson on Monday night. Black Hawk County had three hundred fifty. Six confirmed corona virus cases as of today. They're up to five hundred and eleven cases. That's the most of any county in Iowa. At least forty percent of those cases are tied directly to that. Tyson Foods. Plant starting to see obituaries. People who worked at that plant In the local paper will today after days and days of local officials putting pressure on the company and Republican Governor Tyson. Finally today announced that it is closing that plant in Waterloo Iowa indefinitely. Waterloo's mayor had been calling for that alongside the sheriff. He told CNN today that he welcomed the decision but he believes it may have come too late to stop the widespread the widespread spreading of that virus in his town. The Black Hawk County. Sheriff Tony Thompson told us this tonight about the plant finally closing. He said quote while we are pleased with this development. We recognize how late it is for many now. Our task is to react to the damage done and to get back on top of monitoring and testing without overrunning our healthcare system. So that's the update on the situation in rural Black Hawk. County Iowa tonight sort of a better late than never From the officials who've been calling for that plant to be shut down hundreds of cases there at least that one corona virus locus. That one plant is is closed today at Iowa but I have to tell you in neighbouring Nebraska. It's a different story at least eight. Meat Processing Plant in Nebraska have confirmed corona virus cases including one really really big outbreak. At least two hundred and thirty seven cases of Corona virus now tied to one beef plant in Grand Island Nebraska Grand Island's the third largest city in Nebraska the cases tied to that one beef plant in Grand Island count for more than forty percent of all cases in that area but neither that plant in grand island or any of the other Nebraska meat packing plants with confirmed cases has been closed and Nebraska remains one of the few states in the country without any kind of stay at home order. In recent days the rate of corona virus cases around Grand Island Nebraska has been higher than some of the hardest hit states in the country higher than Michigan's like it says in this headline close to Louisiana. There are now over six hundred confirmed cases and eighteen deaths in the grand island Nebraska area including four deaths reported just in the past day grand island's mayor and the local health director have been asking. Nebraska's governor Pete Ricketts for a stay at home order but he has refused. Local health. Director has warned that the healthcare system around Grand Island very close to being swamped. She said two days ago quote going into a rather dark couple of weeks soon. Join US now. Is that health. Director Theresa Anderson is the Health Department director Nebraska's central district. The central district is is right in the middle of that state about a two hour. Drive away from Omaha Miss Anderson. Thank you so much for time to US tonight for US tonight. I know you have a lot to deal with and it's a very busy time. Thank you Rachel for having any rights for having let me just ask I if I characterized things accurately as far as you know and if there's any other important developments that we should know about in terms of this. What appears to be a pretty sizable outbreak in and around Grand Island at the outbreak. is associated to some degree with the acting industry. But there a lot of factors that go into determining how severity outbreak in kids. We're getting a sort of a echo effect on your on your audio. I'm not sure if there's anything we can do to adjust that I know that's technically this is always. This is always a challenge to do these things. I can hear you though and let me just ask you. Oh let me seems like that might be better. Okay good I the great all right let me just ask you I. It has been unusual. I think I expected watching this from afar. That some of the facilities where there's been a large number of cases associated with an individual workplace that those might have been closed but as far as I understand it no meat packing plants in Nebraska have been closed including this one in grand island where there are a large number of cases so it the way that it's been evolving. Is that our plant? Here in Grad island has been. I'm going to say ahead of the game at least time wise and the number of cases and I'll give you an example. Last week we had three hundred sixty Cases in our three county area and this week we have six hundred and thirty a week later so the spread is within the community. And we've known for a while but it's been community wide. What happens in the meatpacking industry as that and you will notice that their close quarters people are working elbow to elbow They're changing out into their Work Gear and same locker room and so there are lots of opportunities for the spread of virus Certainly that was the case. A few weeks ago The the pecking industry has been taking some measures to improve distancing and the and the reduces the potential for this brain virus All across the state and most recently. Dhs's had some teams out looking at an advising the different plans and what they might do to better reduces spreader that they potential for this bread. I was watching what you were saying a few minutes ago. And in our instance it may be that We the cats out of the bag so to speak. We've got a wide spread of the virus and at this point Closing the plant may be helpful to us. I certainly think it wouldn't hurt But we've got spread everywhere literally when we do our contact tracings. We know that While many of them are related to J B s in some fashion whether the person worked there or their spouse works there. There were also experiencing other types of outbreaks Especially around our long term care facilities which is of course very Concerning to us in terms of that spread being everywhere including as you said Long Term Care Facilities where. It's so dangerous now that you're seeing the numbers that you are. And you've got the amount of community transmission. It seems that you have. I'm worried about your hospital capacity. I can you tell us anything about the number of of facilities who are able to treat people who are very ill with with Kovic nineteen symptoms and tell us if you're if you're worried about intensive care capacity and even potentially ventilators right so what happens when you get out into the rural part of the country is you'll find that some of the rural hospitals critical access hospitals and therefore they have no reverse therefore worms and they have no ability to care for patients while protecting staff so in our particular district. We have two of those community access hospitals and then we also have one hospital. That's a A larger hospital that has capacity right now with seventeen ventilators but what happens with us out in the rural part of the state again. Is that We have a limited number of staff so even when we're able to bring in ventilators from Neighboring or some from some distance to facilitate the process The staff isn't there and I I and owned IC- hunters from the old days and I realize how Technical the carriers for a patient. Bentiu later and those folks that need to be brought in or going to be highly skilled individuals So we have the challenge of bringing in folks into an area that's fairly active with Colby and then asking them to work in our facility Knowing that in our community there's a widespread Theresa Andersson Nebraska's Central District Health Department director. Who has a bear of an epidemic there to be dealing within that rural part of Nebraska Thank you for talking publicly the way that you have to explain to people of the seriousness of what you're facing in Grand Island. Thanks for helping. Us understand it on a national level and please keep us. Apprised of this is going ahead. I am worried that you're in for a few weeks of very dark days and anything that we can do to let people know national into get you any help that we can place let us know. Thank you Rachel all right. We've got much more ahead tonight. Stay WITH US. And it is a common drug used to prevent malaria. You might have taken it before travelling overseas if you were trying not to get malaria But most likely you'd never heard of this drug until last month when Primetime Fox News hosts and then the president started incessantly promoting it on a daily sometimes hourly basis as what they were quite sure. was a miracle cure for corona virus. There's no big deal for this corona virus. Then we've got a cure already. They promoted despite zero clinical trials next to no evidence of its effectiveness. But boy were they insistent. What if there's already a cheap and widely available medication? That's on the market. To treat the virus chloroquine. That's a cheap anti-malaria drug maybe effective intriguing krona virus chloroquine. I drunk she clark. Based on what I see could be a game changer. Hydroxy cleric when it showed very encouraging early results really encouraging early signs are for me. Reading Medical Research. I was impressed. It's very effective. It's a strong. It's a strong. I feel good about it all. It is just a feeling and showing surprising. Promise for treatment of Corona Virus. Drug-cheat Laura Quinn. I've been telling you. For a week about hydroxy chloroquine. Hydro oxy chloroquine hydrochloric. We're talking about hydroxy chloroquine. It is cheap. It's considered safe so in a lot of ways drugs. Chloroquine is the ideal medicine. I drugs clerk. Quinn is is a very powerful drug. Would you try hydroxy? Chloroquine is after all. I've read I would. I got the very early approval. From the FDA he'd never heard of hydrochloric went before we mentioned it. So drug chloroquine. I duNNo. It's looking like seven some good results. Please hydroxy clerk. What would he have to lose? Take it there are signs that it works on this some very strong signs. There's mounting evidence. Site that Hydroxy Chloroquine. May Work Hydroxy. Chloroquine is now looking more and more like an important tool intriguing. This virus or national stockpile is now equipped with nearly thirty million. Hydroxy chloroquine pills. I gotTa Clark is credited with saving lives. A friend of mine told me he got better. Because of the use of that that drug hydrochloric seems to be working. I don't know medicine from cosmology all right but the fact of the matter is it's working. I actually haven't heard a bad story. One another to normally it is good. Some bad ones. And you'd still give shot. I haven't heard a bad story. Beginning in middle of March hydroxy chloroquine was mentioned hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times on the Fox News channel particularly bites prime time hosts and by the president from the White House podium until about a week ago when those mentions by Fox News and by the president just dropped off a cliff. Just stop bringing it up and we don't know why that is but yesterday we did get the results of a new study which has yet to be peer reviewed but it's the largest to date involving the use of Haji Hydroxy chloroquine among Three hundred sixty eight veterans and veterans hospitals across the US In that trial the drug was found to have no benefit and there are actually more deaths reported among those who were given that drag those who were given standard care. The authors of the study said quote. These findings highlight the importance of a waiting. The results of ongoing perspective randomized controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs. Yeah you think. The president was asked about that study last night. He said quote. I don't know of the report. Obviously there have been some very good reports and perhaps this one is not a good report National Institutes of health panel also now weighed in on hydroxy chloroquine saying that was quote insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against it then late today the New York Times I to report but a high ranking doctor who led the HHS efforts to try to develop a rotavirus vaccine. He was transferred out of that position this week and demoted after he internally questioned the president's advocacy of that drug. Dr Rick Bright Tells The Times quote I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invests the billions of dollars allocated by Congress in two safe and scientifically vetted solutions and not in drugs that lacks scientific merit. He continued quote specifically and contrary to misguided directives. I limited the broad use of chloroquine and hydro hydroxy chloroquine promoted by his administration promoted by the administration as a panacea. But which clearly lacks scientific merit. Doctor is now no longer in charge of the search for a vaccine to save us from the deadly corona virus. Because he says he was demoted when he got in the way of the president continuing to hype an unproven cure that he heard about on the Fox News Channel. It is one thing to not have leadership at the federal level in response to this crisis it is actually a whole `nother thing to have the president putting American lives at risk. Every time he blurts something made up or that he thought he understood from TV into the microphone at the White House briefing room and that really is happening every day as a general. I don't have an opinion one way or the other about this president and how he should be treated alliance. Say That right here. I'm like I'm telling you I won't tell you my opinion one way or the other about the president and how he should be treated but as a general matter. I think we should all agree that there perhaps should be a more concerted effort to stop the spread of misinformation about this disease particularly if it is potentially deadly misinformation. If somebody is repeatedly misinforming the American public about important things having to do with this disease don't broadcast that. Don't listen to people who are lying to you about this disease. Don't broadcast their comments. Certainly don't keep doing it day after day when they've proven themselves to be lying day after day and honestly it doesn't matter who it is just some responsibility honestly joining us now live is congresswoman Jan Schakowsky of Illinois who is on Capitol Hill Tonight and joins us from their congresswoman Schakowsky. Thank you so much for making time for us tonight. It's great to see you. Thank you so much. For focusing on this issue of nursing homes appreciate it. I wanted to to you about it. Because you've really led the charge on this in the house. This letter sent to the trump administration demanding that they immediately collect and publicly report facility level data on nursing homes. They do now say that. They want to collect that information. Are they collecting the right information? Do you have faith that they're going to carry this out the way that it needs to be done you know. I definitely have concerns number one. They aren't going to be reporting fatalities. Only the cases and we we need to know about the fatalities in my district. I have a nursing home. That has forty two cases and thirteen people have have have died and we have many nursing. Homes were more than twenty have died. We need to know this information beyond that they're doing it by rulemaking. Rachel which takes a long time. They could just order it right now but that is not happening so I don't know. Even when data data collection is going to come about so there are a number of problems with the believe that it is in response to seventy eight of us. I let a letter to. Hhs antecedent asked to sing. You need to tell us not just the families not just the residents but also the public. What is going on in nursing homes where we don't know the scope of this problem and we need to have a picture of the relief bill that the House is GonNa vote tomorrow the reason you're in Washington so you can vote on that bill as far as I understand it. I'm not totally clear on it but I think there is about twenty five billion dollars in that bill for testing do you. Do you know if any of that is going to be for testing nursing homes. None of it has been officially designated for nursing homes is supposed to be for the high risk areas and I certainly hope that will happen and I want to communicate with the powers that be that fat be one of the areas with one point three million nursing homes in this country there are chronic problems but right now we really need to focus on those nursing homes and and make sure that we're testing as Nancy. Pelosi set from the beginning testing testing testing. And so I certainly want to encourage encourage my colleagues to say nursing. Homes needs to be at the top of the list congresswoman We're going to stay on the nursing home issue as long as it continues to be the biggest problem here because you have taken the lead on this in in the House. I'd ask you to just please keep us apprised and please come back and visit with us as this as rule making and policy making proceeds on this. I just feel like the the whole in the federal response here is just incredibly fatal and I'd love to stay in touch with you on ongoing basis on this thank you. I'd be honored to do that. Thank you carcinogen Schakowsky. Thank you all right. We've got a much more tonight stay with US congresswoman. Mary Scanlon tweeted this photo today of the House Rules Committee meeting us. Remarkable Photo Congressman Jim McGovern of Massachusetts. Chairing that meeting. While wearing a patriots facemask bracing sight to see Congress. Going about its business right now. Today seemed weird. Just wait until tomorrow when they're all coming back to pass the latest relief bill when you can't vote by proxy have to put on your mask and take your chances. That's going to do it for US tonight. We will see you again tomorrow night. The show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC.

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HR 3: Fireworks!

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HR 3: Fireworks!

"'s okay on espn la clinton as villain in here on a friday. What you need to know is brought to you by morongo casino resort and spa good times less than ninety minutes from wherever you are. Laura what you got man. So i'm not the biggest fan of funchal pops. But i am dropping the money for this one. My i guess. Like i was gonna say my little leedle which is like idol growing up for boxing hulas. Charges has little fungal pop and you can preorder today. Which i already did okay. It's a cute. I'm just not the biggest fan of uncle pops. But you know i got to help people out represent so i'm gonna buy this one and if you guys want it's on my twitter at unique you end you underscore and you guys should go by and support you. We will get so. I like that. I saw this alcopop looks cool. Got it's got. It's got the trunks that represent red band. Ooh you know what's going on. It's also he's got the headband says. Now i will tell you this. I'm going to send you guys a picture right now. Sorry i was trying to find it. I was in. I keep talking about the fact that i was in nebraska the past two weeks now when i go to different places. L. z one. Of the things that i made sure. Do you say like he used to work in record stores a lotta times. I go to record stores in every city but a lot of times. I'll just go to the mall in every city and i went to the mall in nebraska in omaha and there was in west road. Small a suncoast. I hadn't seen a sun coast in for ever if you don't know what his son coast is. It's basically a store that sells movie trinkets and back in the day they would sell like. Dvd's and laser discs in all sorts of other merchandise around television and movies. And i went inside of it. I thought it was greg. I thought it was like moonlight graham situation field of dreams. If i went in there i was able to come back. Because it's been so long and that's one and they had this whole wall full of funchal pops that essentially guys this photo. I've never seen this many pops. Gosh at a time. And greg seen the kind of guy that loved post back in the day. Yeah that's not me. I know it seems like something that i would i was i was not. I was not that dude. I'm sorry eddie lag. Come line hats bro. I wasn't known saying not what you call you. Call equates kirk uncle. Yeah i'm not a frontal get it. I don't understand the whole. I have a couple i have. I have a black panther. One there's gotta get. Do you have any of these. Okay as an aside. Sorry greg has derail the conversation here okay. So last night. I was watching the late show with james corden for those seen it. It's tremendous program. It's one of the late night programs. it's one. I like chris platt pratt. I forget his name. He's one of the guys named chris whose names i can't get trade anyway. He's on. They're talking about a movie and he did as a bit. James corden said. Can you do a rubik's cube whilst you promote this movie in under a minute now. It took him like ninety seconds. But he's still definitely did it. So i was telling you a story in the break in. Greg sent me a picture of a pre dawn. Or whatever a rearranged rubik's cube and then thirty seconds later one of it done. Am i supposed to believe you just did that. In the fourteen fifteen seconds between you sent of course. Of course you are clinton. Because i don't early. The video part of his phone wasn't working on the video. That's fine. I'll do it on there too but the problem like i was trying to do it exactly like you were doing it with With chris pratt. Where while i was talking to you. I was doing the rubik's cube. Okay i did about a minute and a half. But here's the reason why the video is crucial is because not just the fact that he did it but he was like z. His dexterity like using his third finger along with his thumb to flip the pieces in ways that i had never seen before. Like it's one thing to be like okay. You think of like sort of opening a can you know was like he was like he had all the fingers go in different places and ways that i'd ever seen somebody move a rubik's cube before so it wasn't just the fact that he put it together. It was the fact that he actually knew what he was doing for like a different technique. Kind of way. So i gotta see your technique greg first of all. What are you doing your third finger. Greg i don't use the. I don't use the e probably did there's a pinkie. It's the bottom part that he was just moving around and yeah so he's probably he's way better at it than i am. Obviously but use that. That's all like a whole 'nother move right. It's like a whole level of thinking. I'm like whoa. he just got anyway. It blew my mind of my third fingers as my wedding night going okay. I'm gonna leave that alone. No since i got the ring on. Oh okay well it was. It was very impressive. So greg next time we get to a remote somewhere. You're going to have to. Wow the people with your ruby. Oh that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go remote. And i'm gonna do rubik's cube. That's exactly where the people are clamoring for presents. You so much greg. Big of all time. While we're on the air while i'm doing overrated underrated. I'll do a rubik's cube at the same time. How about that okay. We'll see video. You know video believe it. How about that never believed anything. All right that's fine. That's fine now to me. This is this is pretty impressive. I was not expecting you to come out of the gate with this. That's why i had to talk about it on air. I did not know this is in your wheelhouse sir. It's not that bad. It's not that hard. Actually that he was good at this. I did not know that. But the fact that he's talking about with such confidence makes me wonder what else he does with confidence. And that's what i was gonna say. What you hiding greg. Where do you park your draft at night. He wants to be seen. He's getting place you don't need to know. Wow okay better this way. I like it better this way. Just think of me how you think of me on the air. That's totally fine. Where have greg is like underground rapper. Daniel says i don't. I don't think that being i do think though that like random feats of dexterity could be something that he's like really good like i happen to be a really good food ball player. You know what. I'm saying. Like for whatever reason i feel like this is something that greg would be good at things that require like the third that are you know in in tight spaces. You know what. I'm saying. Like i could see him. Being excellent. like axe throwing axe thrown. No i want to though a lot of fun robbing avoids and everything. Right down the street on tv. Wait this is placed on street from you. Let's go it's right on. We competitive act. It's just a bar where you can go and you can throw action bar. You never heard of this familiar with this this this form of entertainment for certain people doing no greg. After insurrection and stuff. I thought i knew everything but i still don't know y'all getting drunk and throw it access at each drinking. Let me ask you insight steve. I'll be like no not only that there's like when there's other cool bars that are right here too. Like in valley village north. Hollywood where there's on ventura place called the one up where you can just play video games. That's fine video. Arcades are fine. Is the drunken axe knowing a little bit confused detail. Why don't you know that doesn't work but you know what though like everybody. Every group has their ridiculous stuff. Right we all got our stuff right. We will have a full on brawl over like a store opened by a new jordan's that's stuff we'll own it and it's not right. It's embarrassing put my head down everytime highlights on the news. Boom i gotta assume drunken axe throwing has to be in there for you. I mean there's competitive dog show on. Espn dog like throwing fine. No go get up at the bar and object and throw it the difference between the people that are competitive and the people that are at the bar is not that far the competitive actually not like when you watch a guy played darts at the bar and then you see those english do to like precise on a level that you can't even handle no no no no competitive accident just the other people that manage to find you. Know it's amazing to me how popular it is like pickle ball who knew you know. What's your people's embarrassing sport or activity. What is my people's very i mean. I know what the competitive drunken accident is kind of hard to go. I will say beanie showed up. A gym. shoes is pretty high too. that's not. That's not quite the same but look okay. We got a listener. Who just tweeted. He said drafts donkeys. I'm writing into okapi. His ain't nobody spot. In my okapi anywhere is gonna give them. These things look great by the way they're very well camouflaged. Justice says they've got to get myself to the spinning sky lounge at the bonaventure in. Dcla for some fireworks watching. It seems like a lot. That's probably more than than than i'm going to do. Have you ever been there. I have not have not. Greg just sent the group. This expediting plays nearly tax. That name is terrible. I'm sorry lax. Like i get it when i haven't been there. That's why i'm just saying this just looks like it looks like fun last night everybody station. Who is most likely to be sneaking behind. Everyone's back and getting better and acts annoying. I'm thinking mace base. He no he is not athletically. He's athletic challenged. He would say he was good at it. I say he'd be trying to sneaking behind our backs trying to get good at it. Yes probably yes. He would be the one that it's okay so the one that would actually go out. Go ahead and i said the porna- says extolling bars or places where folks go to drink alcohol and throw heavy axes pieces of wood. Thanks thinking was that people. So i'm glad you clarified for me. Thank you but no. I think the donna would actually go and learn if if everybody was trying to do it. And we're like okay. Everybody is going to go to an axe throwing bar. We're going to do it in three weeks. He'd go every night and learn how to throw the axle hit gets there and he's like perfect at it every time and then he just picked it up for the first time. he's like. Oh my god. Oh my god. I through this and it just happened to hit the middle i feel like saddam also got the best like for whatever reason axe throwing physique if that makes any sense i don't really know why but i just feel like we're kind of procedure you need to throw an upper body. Strength seems to be a premium of his. You know what i mean and like you know. I don't know it seems like it's not like there's certain muscle groups that will make you better at that. And that lends itself well to sodano setup like i feel like i wouldn't be very good at accident because it's like two hands. It's weird like this is not natural motion for your boy. I don't like that. Or why are we still talking about. Because greg is going to be a professional throw and we're gonna watch them on. Tv that's third finger to solve a rubik's cube throwing an axe and ninety nine. Oh one handed doing the rubik's cube on the other hand. I'm gonna keep people's embarrassing situation better because we will we do now is like we pretend like we not drunk because we wanna keep drinking even though you got like somebody telling you need to stop. But we don't have like the crazy axe throwing situation. We don't we have a little bit more sense even when we drunk than they're going to be fireworks in drinking in your part of the woods. Laura we can't. They're late legit illegal. The capsule roll through our neighborhood. Where i live all those. Yeah you can't Unfortunately where i live with choline not firewood friendly or any. Those neighboring cities is the whole you know. Don't burn down our state thing. I mean i don't know. I'm video of the police. Finding the fireworks yellow never factory whatever. Yeah i mean look. It's somebody like came at me on twitter to the right direction. But i was like look. I'm not going to be here telling clinton where to go and find illegal fireworks okay. I'm not going to be that person. Especially i don't need to find them for myself wondering if that's that's what i'm saying like i actually In ontario which is in the somebody was storing them and it exploded in their house. They pass away but they you know destroyed a whole little area of the neighborhood so this is crazy. Like i'm not going to sit here and be like yeah. I mean they're cool for like a show you know but yeah it's it's a thing so ally love them so you're going to hear them all over like legit all over downtown where you are the. You can't miss them and they do look beautiful when you're on a show right but yeah earn fourth of july weekend los angeles remember. Keep your combat veterans and your dogs in mind when you're dealing with fireworks. I sent a note to clinton. I didn't see if he saw go ahead and read that read for me. I okay. speaking of big deals deals. It's a big deal. You call the right attorney when you're injured in an accident. Call my new friends at salmon. Angela eight hundred three or four thousand because you deserve. What's right greg. take it away much better. Thank you very much all right. So l z will start with you. this time. there was a report out. Today that the seventy sixers turned down a deal with the pacers that included malcolm brogdon and a first round. Pick for ben. Simmons is this a big deal or no deal. It's a big deal because a big deal because now is on. Now it's on and now you get to really see what ben simmons is made of because now it's like is no longer insinuated is known. Just kind of inferred is real. You can't shoot and folks like maybe we can make some moves which you so. What do you want. Do you want to be a seventy six. Or you want to be that dude. I keeps bouncing around. Because you can't shoot but you can do all a bunch of the things that people in the us like. what do you want. Because i'm no one's asking you to be ray allen or staff but i remember the great michael read came into this league and he couldn't hit anything outside out of paint either and he retired as a great three point shooter. Jason kidd couldn't get anything outside of the free throw line and he retired as a great three point shooter. Chris webber couldn't do nothing but dunk and should've hook shot. He retired as a great little mid range. Jump shooter. same thing mcconnell. This is a skill that you can work on. The question is do you want it. So i think it's a big deal. I think it's a big deal. But i think it's a big deal. Also because like you know he's he's he's already. This is sort of new more existential answer. He's already gotten his money and like if he doesn't want to change his game he doesn't really actually have to. And i think there's a question as to whether or not i don't want to say whether or not he wants it or not but like what he's comfortable doing as a basketball player versus what we think is supposed to sort of motivate guys to be on. The court is is endlessly. Fascinating to me because i said this at the time when he skipped the feeble world cup where he could've played with australia he could've worked on a couple of things in the offseason said. Now i'm good. I'm gonna work out on my own and then you throw up and he's just got videos of him. Basically do an open runs with his homeys. Run jute or at wherever i was like. Oh he i mean this is. This is not a priority in a way that we see we sort of assume that most athletes that the natural resource that you don't have to sort of motivate or work on is drive and he's not one of those guys and i just feel that like this notion of like can we teach him to shoot versus. Should we get rid of them. I don't know man. I think about this all the time. In terms of what athletes are he could retire at the end of this contract and be rich for the rest of his life. Does he have to change his game. Maybe you maybe. It's just not that big deal to him. I don't know it's. It's something that i think about a lot in terms of like what athlete empowerment really is which is now. I'm just really doing this. Because i it was kind of fun and i want to do it the way that i want to. And you're just going to have to live with it. I don't know greg. what are you doing now. I'm with you guys. I think that it's it's time for him to go. First of all i think i do. I mean i know you guys are talking about. But i just think that he is. It's time for him to to move on to somewhere else. You belong else. It's not gonna work where he is. So i was watching the dodge anyway. Clinton hersi miller son of masterpiece is an incoming freshmen at tennessee state and to go there to play basketball. He just signed a two million dollar deal with web apps america to be their brand ambassador which is now allowed under the new. Ncwa rules he is the first to do this. Is this a big deal or no deal. That's pretty big deal. I mean two million dollars is a lot. You know what i mean. But percy miller. Listen masterpiece ain't hurting for no money. You know what. I'm saying that do you can talk about people. Want to talk about all the time. How rappers going broken on so the stuff masterpiece. The exact opposite of that massive. Who was the kind of do head people in his artists investing in sort of tangible things so that when it came time for them not to be wrapping they actually had value in their lives. So i trust anything relating to masterpiece when it comes to money and let's not also forget massapequa. Play a little ball too so imagine the sun is pretty good. I like this. This is a big deal and this is a good thing all around chelsea. Yeah it's definitely a big deal for one echelon of person you know. Because his masterpiece he knew how to do it. I'm a little concerned about the people who don't have a masterpiece household can they maximize in the same way. So it's a big deal for the conversation but who the conversations really about. We're still waiting for that. Athletes get their money and their payday because the conversation was never about children are rich athletes or children. Rich people conversations always about the poor people so i wanna see some. That shine gets on a poor athletes. Furs then i think it's a huge deal okay. I totally agree with that by the way because there's not going to be anybody else at tennessee state. That's going to be getting a deal in any other state school like that. Getting some million dollar even million dollar not two million dollar deal so yeah. I'd like to see somebody else that does not have a rich father. Knicks ardell z. Dodger announcer joe davis. His wife had a baby last night. The baby song yeah. The baby's full name is theodore. Oral davis yes. The middle name is for orel hershiser his partner on the radio. Is this a big deal or no deal. How nice it. I love it granton. Wow quick out. i mean that's got to be a big deal because if somebody like somebody. I mean it's a big deal because it definitively defines like what the nature of your relationship with your broadcast partner. Like if you're naming kids after people you work with like y'all must be pretty good together. Work was genuinely enjoy being with that person. When you only getting paid. I somehow feel like elsie does not have anybody who's ever worked with that. He would name a child after. You don't know my son. L z isaiah. Ireland granderson shorter. I i it's a mouthful true. How did you. I was wondering how you landed on ireland out of all of that seem obvious in shock with that one very well plate next all right clinton. Dave grohl sat down with pharrell williams to talk about music in a new paramount. Plus show in it. He says where he got the inspiration for his drumming with nirvana. If you listen he says if you listen to never mind. I pulled so much stuff from the gap band and cameo and tony thompson of the band. Chic on every one of those songs. All that it's that's old disco. Is this a big deal or no deal. Why folks from black folks music and made it their own and acting like it was our own creation. What's new about that. i'm joking. But no dave grohl gods from dc area. I love nirvana but yeah it's a pretty cool thing because he explained it and the reason why it's a big deal because even hurrell was like yo like when you watch it. He was even impressed. And when it comes down to people who make music listen. I understand that there are certain things that have happened in history in terms of. I don't know the beatles who took everything they had in our elvis from black folks and made it their own and did not give credit a feel like dave grohl on the better side of that in terms of who we are and like the whole like everything is a remix. Culture is kind of true and this this. This does not feel slimy to me. I like the fact that he brought this up. And i like the fact that he talked about it in a music way. That was a pretty cool interview. I would agree. It's a big deal because he now need just said it. In a general way like oh bar from disco but he actually gave shutouts. Yeah which tells you the respect that you have these artists as well as educating people saying hey if you liked me you made love this. If you'd like me you can learn from this so smart and it's a big deal. I like dave grohl a lot. He is big and my household as far as generational sort of just impact. You know what i mean. He's a nice guy. He's been a part of a lot of good bands. Dude is really cool agreed all right. L z president. Obama was on the armchair expert. Podcast with dax shepard and monica patterson and he talked about a secret pickup game. He had at the white house he said for my forty ninth birthday. We had an all star game. That was just kind of for us. Lebron came dwayne wade. And derrick. rose all these amazing nba players. Each team had three nba players and to amateurs. All my high school friends came over. We have this round robin tournament and we had wounded warriors who we invited to watch. We signed autographs and gave shoes away afterwards. One of the perks of being president is you can invite people to to the white house and they show up. Is this a big deal or no deal. A huge deal man. Yeah hughes deal hughes deal. And that's all i'm going to say because if you ask yourself. Why a huge deal. Then you probably won't care. What the answer's going to be anyway. So well let me. Let me combine those things. Which is that remember. We're talking about the dodgers going to the white house earlier today. Do you remember when the cubs went to the white house and dexter fowler. He brought obama. Because dexter fowler is a nike jordan brand athlete. He brought obama a pair of custom. Forty four police. I think they were the aj threes. They were the threes. they were black. I'd like to believe that he wore those said. Pick up game which would be tight if actually true because obama's always been about you know you got a whole book about basketball basketball. An obama has always been to things that are intertwined but this is a huge deal because of the way that again he brings the culture of the game to the white house. There was a court there. You know what i mean like. It's not just about sort of basketball. It's about how we do it on the court. Which is i thought it was always a really cool thing about barack man he let it speak to who he was as more than just a sport but just sort of you know a large part of what the culture is black folks in for americans in general big deal big meal time for one more we do. Yeah nixed can we just say dodger to kicking but just wanted to say that. Yes all right. We'll finish it off with clinton zach. Lowe's reporting that. The lakers and clippers are both going to sniff around kemba walker in free agency this summer. One of one of them getting. I gotta do that to me every time you simply say. Bring him in sniff around. So i'm gonna take taking. You took where the word and say interesting and i. I was being genuine to what he said. So i'm just going by what he said so we got one minutes a real quick big dealer no deal if one of those teams get him. That's no deal for me. I think him but has got to find a different. I mean look the contract is one thing i just. His game is inconsistent. For as far as i'm concerned from interest standpoint as well i'm not i'm not. I'm not getting too hyped up. Just because one of those teams picks up. I like him. I think he's fun player. I think he's one of those guys. That again will probably never really reach the ceiling. We thought he could have l z. But i don't think of him signing with either one of those teams is a huge deal. I think he has reached a ceiling. And that's the frustrating part because he's paying the ceilings higher but he's reaching ceiling as a player because of his size just is what it is. I hope the lakers don't get them. Because i don't think that's what we need. I'm just being honest. But he's a good player economics. Everything makes it weird. Are y'all wanna take you off. Let me fill in on a friday. Here that's okay. Clinton he ate. Espn la fourth of july. Be safe safety i. That's what matters. See all after the break up. Everybody this lg greenwich. I'm here to tell you about my new podcast. Abc audio card life out loud. This show is all about preserving the history and honoring the contributions of the lgbtq community. each week. i'll talk to some of the most fascinating people paving the way for the more inclusive world these conversations can get heavy but this show is also going filled with so much joy. And i mean after all we are called gay people right so gotta be some happiness in there somewhere checkout life out loud with me. L z granderson. Wherever you get your podcast.

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Nile Rodgers and CHIC

The Rhino Podcast

37:09 min | 2 years ago

Nile Rodgers and CHIC

"Ladies and gentlemen, records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the rhino cast podcast. Brought to you by rhino records. Get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now your hosts with the most which may have and Dennis the menace on this episode of the rhino podcast, we speak with Nile Rodgers guitarist producer and founding member of Sheikh stick around. The. Hey, rich. Hey, dennis. We have had some amazing amazing guests on this podcast this one. This is royalty. There's no doubt about that. So very excited to have Nile Rodgers on the show Nile Rodgers live from his room at Abbey Road studios. Yeah, how cool is that? And what are we here? To celebrate. We're here to celebrate the chic organization nineteen seventy seven to seventy nine six disc vinyl version and five CD set saluting Nile and Bernard Edwards. And it's a signature addition remastered at the at forementioned Abbey Road studios. Nile was gracious enough to spend some time with us and give us all the back story about how it all came together. I think people are going to really find this conversation at indeed. And we're talking the first three she albums sisters wedges. We are family, plus twelve inch mixes. And seven inch edits from the air it. So there's going to be something for everybody on this one. Of course, besides just sheet he has such a storied career. He's produced some of the most popular albums out there these records. It's a lot more than disco. When you hear about Niles background playing at the Apollo and and how he and Bernard got together. It's really incredible stuff. And for example, for those who are listening who are collectors you can't buy things like twelve injury issue of sheikhs first single if you did find that on one of those auction websites. It would break your Bank. There's no question about it. And you can get everything here in one fell swoop. Yeah. This set has been remastered from the original Atlantic, stereo tapes. And of course, was the executive producer. He personally oversaw the remastering process with the approval of Bernard Edwards estate. They really took the extra steps to make sure that it sounded fantastic. For instance. The six disc vinyl version of this back set was mastered. At half speed and pressed on one hundred eighty gram vinyl audio this final is heavy in both content and weight. Well, I don't know about you. But I can't wait to share this conversation that you and I had with Nile Rodgers from Abbey Road. Well, let's get right to it. Would you introduce yourself place? I'm Nile Rodgers producer co founder of the ban chic and a whole bunch of other things guitar player. Arranger composer, all that stuff. Debonair man about town. You know? That last one's the only at parties. That's the only thing that counts really is introduce yourself and say, I'm Deb air man about town. That's all you need. And you know, you have to do it. In beat. I'm Deb air man about town. Bingo. Nineteen fifty three. Well, your mom in nineteen Fifty-three was thirteen is that correct? In nineteen five three. My mom would have been fourteen years old at the beginning of the year. And she would have turned fifteen in fifty three beat Knicks heroin artists. This was your normal. But that said there was a ton of music surrounding you lots of modern jazz. Right. Nineteen fifty seven I became sort of self aware. And I knew what music was I knew who I was a new my neighborhood, and all that sort of thing at that time, I was living on the Lower East Side and in Manhattan, you know, a block away from the Williamsburg bridge. That's sort of where the story starts literally got back from New York two days ago on some production. I state literally at Lancy. In Alan streets. Yeah. Bingo, Delancey attorney street. That's where I'm from. And when I say, this was your normal, you know, being surrounded by people shooting up. I mean that sounds like such negative, but everybody talks about the fact that that really was the musician culture back then. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that part of town that really was much more of the Jewish neighborhood. The sort of Bowery bums would have started a little bit further north the Bowery that far down wasn't really bummy was bordering on Chinatown was the Shmatko district Bowery bums. And and the heroine thing started a few blocks a little bit further north it got really hard core around house than street and places like that classical was your original jam. But I'm I think I'm right here that a teenage crush changed at all. Would you tell me about her and picking ATar to impress her pretty much everybody in? The New York City school system played some kind of instrument 'cause music was a mandatory part of the curriculum. I mean, just everybody learned music. Everybody learned art, not everybody learned it. Well, I happen to do. Well, so I played flute and stuff like that. And the final instrument I played in the Symphony Orchestra was the clarinet now a sort of lucky for me because I went from the clarinet to the Qatar and I play guitar almost on a dare I had moved back to New York from Los Angeles. My uncle was dating this girl's mom girl was like gorgeous. She had a ban in the band needed a guitar player. And I thought because I already play other instruments that I'd be pretty good on guitar, or at least could figure it out well enough to play in their band because they weren't really exceptional. They were. Okay. Oops. I was wrong. I I tried. I tried to guitar. I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't even know how to tune the thing. I just tuned into a place where when I played an open tuning of all the strings, I got something that was harmonic -ly stable and somewhat melodious. But I didn't know how to really get around on the instrument. Big Atari didn't make any sense to me it being flat. And having no valves or no nothing. It was like, you know, like piano, you hit the thing. And it makes noise the guitar you just pluck those strings in it. It was weird. I couldn't make heads no tails out of it. So is it true that a day in the life was one of the first things that you strummed? Yeah. Actually, what happened was I got a Beatles. Songbook and guitar songbooks have diagrams of the neck, and it basically tells you the proper fingerings for the. Cords for a song. So they expect you to know the melody and you play the chords, and you sing along. And that's what I did. However, when I figured the cords when I followed the fingering diagrams the cords never sounded, right? They sounded like something. Good because I had tuned it in some sort of extraneous obtuse way. But that the open strings would sound nice. But when I fingered them in the positions that correspondent to the chart. It didn't make any sense. My brain told me it was because I just wasn't fingering the strings properly that I had my hand in the right position. But my fingers were somehow not laying on the neck evenly. And that's because I was thinking about classical instruments. I was thinking about Ombu Scher and stuff like that. So I just kept trying over and over and over and over again thing in at sooner or later, I'm gonna get angle. There you go. That's how you gotta hold it. Anyway, my mom's boyfriend came. Home. And he heard me struggling, and he said Jesus Christ. Will you got this thing too? Like, I looked at him. As like, I don't know. I got it tuned to the point where it sounded good. And he said, no, that's not how you tuna guitar anyway, the guy tuned it for me. And in the first thing, I did was look at the Beatles. Song book in play the positioning that I have been struggling with for week and it sounded beautiful. It was like, wow. I. Nice. It was like the first quarter of day in the life. I went pruning, and it was like, wow. It was great. And I played the second chord at third cord, and then I went back, and I sang very slowly. I read the news today. Oh, boy, down doom Cotone tone about a lucky, man. Who made the grade don't don't don't don't. I was like into it. I was like, wow. I felt like the first person they'd climb Mount Everest. Yeah. But you know, the way you just sung it that was so Neild. You just made a day in the life your own which is a great segue to Joe repose. Oh, I mean Sesame Street killer gig. Yeah. I got my job with Sesame Street, maybe less than two years after I I picked Qatar. But when I played a day in life that day, I once the guitar was in tune, then I could practice properly because I had stacks and stacks and stacks of B-flat clarinet student books. I could read those books and read the music and just transfer that music as best as you could transfer to the guitar neck. And that was something that helped me a great deal because it taught me how to play guitar without looking at the neck most guitar players have to look at the neck to play guitar when I got my Gigot Sesame Street. It was my first day at Manhattan school of music. Which was the former campus of Juilliard I went down to the practice rooms in down in the practice rooms they had up on the bulletin board index cards for auditioning ATar players, and anyway, I got the gig with Sesame Street. So I never went to school. I took the game. I mean, come on. Would you go to school there? Would you take the gig? I took the gig as soon as I addition I got a call back when I got a call back. I got the geic powering at that time. I couldn't have been any more than nineteen. It's a little bit tricky for me because we could probably figure it out. We look up in Google or Wikipedia whatever the first year that Sesame Street was on the air. So I wasn't there. The first year that was Carlos Alamar Carlos Alamar wound up going in joining the young Americans know sorry about that Carlos went from Sesame Street to the Apollo theater to the young Americans. So I was probably would Sesame Street its second year or third year not knowing if the television year sort of ran. Concurrently with the Apollo sessions. Great segue. How long was it between Sesame Street and joining the house band at the Apollo. I can't really tell because my teen years are somewhat of a blur. And they're only learning chronologically. I remember all the events. I just don't know how long things took between events because just think when you're eighteen you only been self-aware for thirteen years. So everything seems like an eternity. You know? Just thinking about it. Go back to when you were eighteen it took for ever to turn twenty one. But once you turn twenty one you became twenty five pretty quick and from twenty-five thirty was overnight and thirty the forty I mean, forget about it. It's ridiculous. So being in a house band, you're basically handed the charts for the artist, and you need to play very much like, you know, the talk show bands have to do these days. Right. Maybe you get a rehearsal. So. So tell me one story if you can remember a good one about an artist you played behind the handed the charts, and you said, whoa. This is going to be this is going to be something none of the charts at the Apollo were hard. But what was really interesting was my very first day on the job that particular show was a complete review format where we had maybe five or six artists the first act was screaming Jay Hawkins. And I guess he was the opener because he only had one really big single which was called. I put a spell on you because your mind, exactly. And his routine was to open up with put a spell on. You. I didn't know anything about screaming. Jay hawkins. I didn't know about his stick with the barren Sammadi thing in the skull and the whole bit. So I just wanted to play the job. Well, so my eyes were fixed on the music director who was a gentleman named Reuben Phillips the song is in six eight and he. Goes to do. Do. Fellow you. Because. As soon as we hit the downbeat screaming, Jay's coffin opened up. Now, I didn't see the coffin being wheeled in because it was behind the curtain, and I was paying attention to the conductor who was to stage left. So my eyes were focused on stage left, and I was sitting in the first Qatar chair and the coffin was to stage. Right. And he jumped out of the coffin scared. The daylights out of me, I pull my court out of my tar amp and tried to run stage left, and they the Apollo employees had stayed left blocked. I couldn't get off the stage. Then I ran behind the band behind the drummer and went to stage, right? And they had that block too. So now I had to come all the way around the coffin. Now, I'm standing on the front of the Apollo stage. And it was the most embarrassing thing. Because the whole crew is in on it the audience died laughing because they could tell it wasn't a joke. I was totally scared and. Oh my God. And at that point when everybody was laughing, I realize oh, man. It's a joke. And I'm the butt of everyone's joke tonight. I sat down plugged in and played this show. And at that point, the old timers really took me in and taught me how to play and there were at least two good tar players if not three on that gig, probably two main guitar player who were in the Apollo ban and quite often artists that would perform would bring Qatar player as their bandleader because in those days are in be songs were quite guitar heavy because of all the rhythm and all the parts. Wow. So I'm holding in my hand my original copy of doing fine. Now, I've been to several copies forty five. But I've kept my original. Because I've I've loved that song since day one when I was doing Sesame Street. We would go out on tours, but they were doing the television show. So we would go out on the weekends or whenever they weren't. Shooting. So I met Bernard doing a pickup gig at a bar in the Bronx. The first time we played together. It was almost sort of like love at first sight and me he was the one of the best musicians I ever heard and he thought that I was one of the best musicians that he had ever heard. And we had decided that every gig. We got we would try and get that person put on the gig with us. So you would just mentioning I'm doing fine. Now, a few months after I met Bernard he became the band leader for the group New York City. And of course, we had the hit record. I'm doing fun. Without you be he when he got that gig. He convinced them to hire me as the top layer that was sort of the start of something really really special. It was the star of the Big Apple band yet the Big Apple band. So was New York City was the group signed to label called Chelsea records. Yep. Part of our CIA. Yes. Exactly. A lot of people don't realize this. But the CEO of Chelsea records was married to Christina Sinatra and Tina Sinatra named are ban is she named New York City, New York City. Also, I used to clean up the plane that was owned by her father Frank Sinatra and that plane was called the Christina. So I sorta had Christina Sinatra in my life since I was a teenager you toured behind Luther Vandross as for Simpson. And of course, Luther would prove to be influential in other ways to you music as part of the sheet choir moving forward with alpha Norma Jean and the others. So let's say way a little bit into Big Apple band into chic. A fifth of Beethoven killed your name didn't it. Yes. Exactly. So I'm working with Sesame Street. Then I go to the Apollo then I do New York City Bernard an eye, gigging. We're going all over the world with these guys. They put out their second album and the second album didn't yield any hits. So the group broke up and left me in London. The our last gig was somewhere in England. I think in hull or Google or something like that. And anyways, so we were based in London, and we would just ride off on the on the bus every day to the gigs. Anyway. So we were packing up the bus to go to the airport and somebody stole my bag, which had all my money in my passport. This was a Friday, and I would have to wait until Monday to go to the US embassy. You know, the old joke. What do you call a musician without a girlfriend homeless? Exactly, exactly. Well. Well, I haven't have girlfriends so I wasn't homeless. So I stayed at her apartment over the weekend and over that weekend. She took me to see her favourite ban, which was a group called Roxy music. I had never heard of Roxy music. And when we went to see them, I was blown away. I had never seen anything like that. I was obsessed with Roxy music because up until that time every rock and roll band that I had seen except for the early rock and roll bands, like Herman's hermits and the Beatles. But now during the psychedelic era, every rock and roll band that I saw whatever that ban put on in the morning. That's what they put on to do a performance in. I never saw a group get dressed up in Katrina clothing to perform for an audience. So when I went and saw Roxie music and Bryan ferry and this whole production. And also the audience was beautiful the audience was sort of like incur- clothing. I was like, wow. This is amazing. So I ran out the next day to section of town Camden, and where they had a lot of record stores than I found three Roxie music albums. I was like these got three albums, and I never heard of them. And I saw that they had playboy models and supermodels on their covers. And I was like, whoa. We gotta do the black version of this. I called Bernard up Bernard Edwards. And I said, hey, man, we gotta put the band back together. We got to keep the band together. We're still the Big Apple ban. And I said, but I got the concept we could be really sophisticated put supermodels on the cover. Not remember before they coined the term, supermodel. We only knew one model there was this girl named Twiggy. She was the only model that we knew by name that the world new name before Twiggy. They would just models. Right. You didn't. You didn't care you. Go see, you know, Chanel show fashion show. You didn't know the name of the models. You just knew the name of the fashion design. Owners. So now, all of a sudden these supermodels come up on the set, and we decided that we had to have supermodels on our cover, and we had to do the Roxie music thing. We started putting together a ban because our former fellow Big Apple ban members didn't believe in this sort of sophisticated look and sound and whatever. So the first person we hired was a keyboard player named rob Sabino, and rob Sabina was good friends with this band called kiss and kissed it and have a record deal either. And we were still a Big Apple ban. We went out and we saw kiss and we just flipped out. We're like, wow. These guys have a fan base. And no record deal is incredible. And we couldn't help. But notice that everywhere they had their logo, and it was all upper case letters k I s s and I couldn't help. But also notice that Roxy music was Roxie for. For letters so four and four we're starting to get somewhere. Anyway, the other big band that was signed to Atlantic records was a group called Alba and abaya had four letters, and they will all upper king. All of a sudden stuff started to make sense. I it's a sign. Yeah. It was like, yeah. It is. We gotta do something like that. We gotta get one word that is upper case. So Bernard said Sheikh, and Tony and I laughed at him. We thought that was the most ridiculous thing we have heard we liked being the Big Apple ban. But we were open minded, but we weren't that open minded until Walter Murphy recorded a song called a fifth of Beethoven, which was Beethoven's fifth done disco style, and he called himself well to Murphy in the Big Apple band. He was my schoolmate or would have been my schoolmate had I gone to school in not taking Sesame Street. So Walter had graduated from Manhattan, he knew me, he knew all we all knew each other. We all were in the same place. But he took the name gotta hit record. Everybody thought that it was Bernarda myself, including Luther Vandross who we worked with a new. So we changed our name to Sheikh. We cut our first record, which was dance dance dance. Hausa believe it or not I hate to break people's hearts, but Tony Thompson is not playing drums on dance dance dance. Because as I said, no one really believed in the sheet concept. So that's Bernard words, myself, the drummer is a guy named Jimmy young rob Sabino played on it. And that was the beginning of chic, but we got signed just Bernard myself because all of this stuff happened so quickly. We didn't know that we weren't going to be the Big Apple ban. We got the record deal and then a fifth of Beethoven came out. It was like, whoa. Whoa. Now. What do we do we became chic, and we did the whole upper case thing, and we even looked at the kiss logo. And we noticed the two S's and the K and the I and we thought wait a minute. We got to seize and I in age not far from kiss pretty cool will take the anonymity. City of kiss and the elegance of Roxy and bam. There you go. We have chic cool thing about this was is that we only looked like Sheikh when we were dressed in clothing normally people would not pay attention to us. And that's what we love about kiss is that they had a sense of anonymity. Like, no one had any idea. Like when we first met kiss they took off their makeup, and they were sitting in the audience with us where meanwhile, ten minutes before it was like complete pandemonium once they took off the makeup. No one had any idea who guys were. So we thought that we wanted that kind of anonymity. Because we didn't look like stars. We didn't believe we was stars. And that's why we put the supermodels on the cover. They look like stars. And we also about people would think those two girls with a group like perfectly fine with us. Just play the damn record. Dance dance dance really reflected the melting pot that was New York City. And you know, the moves that you found in a club when it was released and the syncopation of rhythms and the strings were unlike anything at the time, including that break in the middle with the weird crazy sounds in it. Right. How did you know when you recorded that when you record it, everybody dance? How did you know that you were onto something? I mean, obviously got played in a club. And you got reactions that we know that stories well told we had a pretty good instinct for what was happening in the clubs. We had seen a number of jazz artists that we were big fans of get hit records playing disco. And we thought, wow, this is pretty cool. We could play a style of music hold your head up high because it was cool and sophisticated chord changes. And I would do all the orchestration. And if you look at you know, the people playing on any chic record, it was always the cream of the crop of New York musicians. You know one day we will working for Luther Vandross. He was our boss, we cut our first record next thing. You know, we were his boss. He came out on the road with us. He taught us the whole vocal style. We got signed to the same label. Luther Vandross was signed to Atlantic. So he has to on Atlantic meter was his big as the first chic record. So we flipped the script, and he became our employees. So things will go in great for us. Right. From the start. We got signed to a singles deal. Only Bernard myself, we weren't called she we we made up the name after we got the deal we were only signed to a singles deal. So our record had to be a hit. So that style of orchestration that I was doing was across between what was going on with Barry, white and silver convention and stuff like that. But we didn't wanna go heavy heavy disco. We wanted our sound to really be about the ban about the rhythm section and really about the interplay between Bernardo with myself. I mean, you can hear all of the records really about the base in the guitar and the cool piano voicing, you know, like, the real cool, piano, pads and. Strings were important, but they weren't the focus. Unlike with Barry, white strings and his voice with a focus with us. It was the rhythm section. So I'm holding say she can my hand actually holding my original copy from back in the day. And I checked off some tracks things like Savoia fair and particularly at last I'm free, seven minutes and eight seconds. Yeah. So when people try to portray chic as a disco band. It was indeed about the composition about the tone about the sound. You're creating it wasn't really about disco. No, it wasn't about disco at all it was about the openness of disco. The fact that disco allow a ban like us. We thought of ourselves more like a cross between earth when and firing cooler and the gang more than we thought of ourselves like, you know, Serono or the village people. But you know, we love Ceron we love the village we love Donna summer. That's just not who we were. We were jazz musicians as sort of learned how to write pop songs like the people that we were, you know, proud of the Norman Connors Herbie, Hancock Herbie Mann people. Like that ROY Ayers, Joe Beck. All these people had big big dance records. And we thought we could have a. Dan, that would specialize in these sort of jazzy dance records, you only needed to boogie is an example. Yeah. Yeah. So by boogie, and I mean, a lot of bands with those type of things I mean, you think of all of the Philly stuff. He's all serious musicians. Who learned how to write really good pop songs. So that's what we were. And the only difference is that we went on the road. We gotta hit and we took it out there, and we were onstage with the hardcore funk bands, the same reaction that I had when I saw rocky music. That's the reaction people had when they saw Sheikh when they saw that we had girls on saxophone trumpet for girls on violins people had never seen that in our MB. And it was like unbelievable when we were out there with like some of the most hardcore funk bands in the world. It was pretty exciting to be a band during those early days of I guess. Maybe the last days of disco because unfortunately, those groups didn't go out and tour so they never had a real presence. I think that if those groups had performed the whole disco sucks. Movement would never really brought them down. You know, if most of those bands were like chic and could go out and play. I mean, hell we can go play any day of the week with you know, the stones or kiss any of those bands. We'd have been fine as a math right now. I always tell my manager. How come we're not opening for like? Like Elton, John Paul McCartney and and artists like that. 'cause we certainly can hold our own. So we wanted to be with a rock bands. Matter of fact, the rock bands were some of our best friends. That's how we wound up producing Blondie. That's how I wound up producing Bowie. The beef fifty twos. All those bands new chic as players. We were not just studio guys. We were people go out and perform I would be remiss if we didn't go down the road with Katie, Debbie, Kim and Joni. Yeah. So it was the head of Atlantic asked you to work your magic with them right because they were literally family to him and that became the signpost one of the most iconic songs of the era and for that matter today. Yeah. As a matter of fact, what happened is that the head of Atlantic was Jerry Greenberg at the time. And he thought that we really had studio fifty four fairy dust in a bottle, and that we sprinkle it anybody. He didn't offer us this sledge actually offered us the role. Stones and Bette midler and Bernard. And I thought well how we gonna produce the Rolling Stone. We do tell Keith and make what the sing in play. We had a formula. And we we knew that off formula work. So we said to Jerry instead of giving us somebody famous. Why don't you give somebody that's not famous and weaken make them fame, and we weren't cocky, we just we just knew what was happening in the streets. We said if we can prove to you what we can do wouldn't we be more valuable than just working with somebody. That's already bringing in money. What if we can take somebody that's not bringing in any money and make them happen? So he told us about this group. Call sister, sledge that was like family to the label and he dictated basically, what would be the lyrics to. We are family to us. He talked about how when they come in. Visit the labeled a stick together and this and that. We went home. And we looked at our notes we were trying to act professional. We had no idea what we were doing. We had instinct, and we had a desire, but we didn't know how producers handle themselves in meetings. We didn't know anything. We just walked up to the office and tried to act like we'll professional producers because we had only produced chic and we'd only produced Norma Jean right? So when he told us about sister, sledge, we just superimpose what he had said onto them believe it or not we never met sister sledge until they came to the studio to sing. And we basically had the whole album written and conceptualize before they walked in the door when they walked in the door. They saw scribbling out. The final words we are family, and they got a little upset with us. What are you guys doing? We hold on. We're almost finished. And. Finishing? We're family. And next thing. You know, we basically played their record. Coz when we did the demos. We had already sang the song. So it was like, oh, you guys got to do is sing on top of us. And we got it. How about that? Now Rogers Dennis seriously, I've been wanting to share this the friends and it keeps saying when's it going to be released. When's it going to be released? And I said, well, it's going to be released around the time that the chic organization nineteen seventy seven seventy nine box set is released and this box is in stores as of November twenty third of two thousand eighteen you can get at your usual record store online outlets digitally through your favorite streaming service. But don't forget folks that does come into physical sets. It's a five CD box set and six disc vinyl version more music than you can shake a stick at from the master of now Rogers H E and last, but certainly not least don't forget to hit that subscribe button. So you don't miss the next Rancho cast executive producers for rhino, John Hughes. Lauren Goldberg produced for rhino by. Pop cold enrich may promotions all rights reserved.

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Episode 107 - "All Gone Wrong" with Josh Guffey

Film Bug

31:11 min | 9 months ago

Episode 107 - "All Gone Wrong" with Josh Guffey

"Support filmbug by liking rating and subscribing on iTunes Spotify and all other podcast platforms. You can also listen to episodes on our website filmbug podcast.com. Hi, I'm Martin Jean. I am the Creator and host a film bug film bug is a space for filmmakers to give us a little Glimpse behind the scenes. It's about the process of filmmaking the nitty-gritty of film and television producing here filmmakers talk about the projects that put them through the wringer somehow they pulled through and still have the bug so join us on this journey where we discuss The Good The Bad and The downright ugly behind the scenes from film and television projects. They showed up the stud drunk. They were going to be handling some blank weapons. We had to fire him on the spot. Filmmaker Josh Buffy joins us from Saint Louis, Missouri. Well, my name is Josh Cafe Yumm. I'm a writer director. My day job is I'm a producer director and the company called digital media Production Studio based out of st. Louis Missouri. We do a lot of commercials and corporate video things like that animation documentaries. It's a lot of em, everything Josh started his trajectory and Film School where he shot a series of short films with a common theme know when I was in school. I did a series of shorts that were sort of based on police work because my my sister is a police officer and I needed to make short films and so I was like, you know, maybe I can pick her brain maybe I could talk to someone her superiors and talking with them. They were would tell me stories about narcotics policing and the eighties that were crazy and they started to map on to some of the movies that I was really get along. See what the time particularly like some spaghetti westerns like Fistful of Dollars and things like that where like a stranger walks into town and plays everybody off each other and that kind of thing. And so there were some real cases that they took crime to me that I was really fascinated with after graduating Josh spent years taking notes obsessively about undercover narcotics policing, you know, I was learning about civil forfeiture of how a lot of these units are funded all these small town narcotics units are funded by what they seize and so in incentivizes them to make small cases against people and agencies everything that they hit home because they can say it's involved in a crime and so all these kinds of elements started to congeal and and and so all of these kinds of movie Origins started to make sure all these sort of like documentary realism origins of my research and the product was you know, what we have which is the movie called all gone wrong. All gone wrong is about a veteran khong Overseeing an operation who sends a rookie cop into a house the rookie gets killed in the veteran goes on a personal mission to uncover what went wrong. So writing the script was an education, you know, like wage has gone through many many different iterations, you know, it's been kind of different kinds of things every single time. I would attack it and and write a new draft. I learned something new about writing and and and I were going out right different kinds of movies, but I would always come back to this cuz I I knew that there was something there and I always wanted to attack it and make something that felt like it said everything I wanted to say but was also just something that people enjoy Josh finally had a version of the script he was happy with about three years ago. I had an aversion the movie that I loved once I had that version which was about 2018. I got some really great advice that just said pick a date that you're going to start shooting and at that time I didn't have any money. I didn't have any investors or anything and so I picked a date months out. I was like an eight months off. Will be the first day of shooting and and then that that just starts to press the panic button for like everybody around you you start to learn how to pitch the movie Not only to investors but you have like pitch it to all of your collaborators to raising money for an indie feature takes guts and an uncanny ability to deal with rejection much like the entertainment industry as a whole and so we reached our investors that were locally here in Saint Louis. So it's it's I mean, I would say all of the movie with the exception of some other people that I know from where I grew up and things like that all the investors are Saint Louis locals suck them aren't impressed by LA or buy movies or buy anything there like, I'm an investor I make money in these other ways. I don't need your movie, but you have me intrigued like, you know. You'd have to really kind of raise your game a little bit to talk business with them and then there's other people that are like, oh, I love the idea of this movie and they want to see the movie come to life. Even though they don't normally invest in movies. Did yep. To making this film dates back twelve years and Josh did a lot of living during that time people who know me know that I have been trying to make this for a long time. You know, I used to live in L A for a number of years and I'm kind of a full-blooded proof-of-concept back in 2011 and then you know my family, you know, my wife I met my wife we had a son. I moved to Saint Louis where she's from and then when I was here, I shot even more stuff more proof of concept to try to schedule it for this area and and then finally all the pieces just fell into place. I got back around here to really believe in the project and we got the script to Tony Todd who played Candyman and is a great actor just a commanding presence and he agreed to do the movie and then that really kind of think snowball from their actor Tony Todd best known for playing the iconic. Candyman was a big win for Josh and his team, but how does Land such an actor when working with limited funds the character. He plays Lamont Hughes is based on a guy who owned a bar series of bars in a small town in Illinois. And he was he was offered to be in control of one of the largest drug distribution networks in the Mid-West and but nobody really saw him that often and he was kind of an elusive figure and the real case at the thought was based on was trying to NAB this guy and I never got they didn't get enough information or like, you know evidence on them or they never found anything concrete oil what he was always this like kind of boogey man. So when I roll back Lamar Hughes, I was like this is that kind of guy people talk about him and he's kind of a boogeyman and he's kind of this figures based in a small town and when I started thinking about it, I was like Mom used to freak me out as a kid and I thought a candy man because man, I I was so scared the voice how tall he is. I mean, you can tell like everybody looks tall and move. But maybe you just know he's like he's tall, right and so I was like, he's a presence and then what's also great is, you know, he's he's famous for this like horror iconography, but this is a different genre. So I'm like, maybe he's up a challenge and he was Tony Todd signed on to play Lamont shoes in all gone wrong, you know. I had a nice chat with him and just kind of old why you know, and and you know, he really responded wage that and then my favorite thing of my collaboration with him was like I would get these texts from him leading up to the shoot with him as Hughes and not try to be like, hey, this is Lamont or anything like that. I would just shoot him like a little bit of Intel or like, you know, this was something that I was thinking of when I was writing this scene or whatever, you know, and and he would respond is Lamont was great and then he would he would call me just kind of out of the blue and and just have some ideas and things like that and and just ask a little clarifying things. But yep. He got it. He was a consummate professional in quite a treat to work with he took all this stuff that was on the page. He put stuff in it just now he played at her how he how he moved and how long how you wanted to present things that I just did not imagine, you know, I I think people will see that he's he's at the top of his game. It's such a fun performance. It's one of my favorite things about the month, you know with the lead actors in place a successful Kickstarter campaign locked and several investors ready to finance the project Josh Was preparing to start production on his long-awaited feature directorial debut shortly. After that. We were getting set to shoot. We were like in pre-production. I think it was in like April or May and like we had a block of investors just kind of like drop out everything. I thought I had learned from encouraging these people to invest like, you know, sometimes these people just get cold feet, you know, sometimes they just don't want to bother the investors who dropped out left a big financial gap that job Needed to fill we had raised the full budget at that point. Those investors were were talking a big game. They were like, yeah, we're going to get the other people but then they decided we don't want to do that work. We don't want to go get these other people to close the gap. So we were fortunate enough to have enough in the bank from not only the campaign the kickstarter campaign, you know, I threw some of my own money and I wasn't planning on I have a family of two little kids like I'm not looking to spend that money like in a in a way, you know, I'm not going to mortgage my house. Like let's say that but I put a little money in and then we had we had another investor as well. The problem is that Tony Todd had already committed he had a contract and shoot dates and the production had to honor that contract Josh had to make a decision. So we had to shoot so we were able to shoot for 5 days and shoot everything with him as well as a couple of those things so dead. The production used the money they'd raised shot with Tony Todd for five days and then had to stop everything for a couple of months to raise more money to finish the film. We had wage do a lot of action and a lot of blank gunfire on the very first two days of shooting at a location. That was a closed down abandoned foyer steel Works in a part of town that was very difficult to get to and it's pouring rain that morning and like the ceiling of the steelworks is is open. It's like crumbling and falling apart. So rain is like pouring down on Thursday. It's my first day working with Tony Todd. I met him and I had conversations with him leading up to it. But I've only met him the day before I have to then Direct in the next two days sort of the biggest basically the the climactic action scene of the movie. The first two days were huge big scenes were scheduled star actor on set. So of course things went South a lot of birth. Tables and I'm just kind of thrown into the deep end and then on top of that, you know, we had a situation where r a d at the time decided to not be on set because they were worried about the location filter location had been scouted the add hadn't had a chance to inspect it herself. It was an abandoned still works. Cuz a lot of areas where like sort of concrete was woken up and things like that. You know, she felt like maybe there was like like when a building is sort of breaking down in certain areas or when when there's been demo in certain spots. It's just, you know, some you know, something might have been released in the air or something like that now we chose that location because it it's history was as a film location in st. Louis on many other projects and we had Sky out of the location before as well and we only went to places where we felt comfortable you made that choice and none of us questioned it really we understood it. Basically an independent wage. Was not the time to be a hero it there's so many cases where a film can go wrong you start to force people into these tough decisions and you see was very integral with devising the production plan and it's the only way we were able to really get the movie done was because of her expertise, you know, she's a very experienced a deed. She had not had a chance to scout that location off with the producing team and the and myself that had been there before when she made that call. It was like, okay, we understand we had shots that took place outside. She obviously a deed those those shots and then she was there she was present there all day Josh then had to confront the Grim reality of race relations in America Saint Louis is not the most racially harmonious city in America, but let's just say that and there were some things said by someone at the location to some of our actors that almost made them quit the movie a white Jack. And stepped into our Green Room said all right, who's playing the bad guy in this movie? I'll let me guess this guy any points to an African American actor. It was not something that I thought about until we broke for lunch that first day we almost lost that actor because they almost just quit the movie because of those words and so are producers, you know convinced him to stay and usually we were able to keep shooting but I didn't know any of this happened until I was told sort of to the side at lunchtime, you know, these are things that you can't you like all the prepackaged calls in the world are not going to prepare you for someone like that to say something on the day. We're still in the first two days of shooting by the way Josh akar, which he was also using in the movie as a picture vehicle was parked in an area that was needed for a seen. One of our producers asked me your car is in a spot where it can't be. Can I move your car off? And you want to move it kind of threw set inside the steelworks to this other spot. He drives the car in and then he turns and he doesn't see this like two foot wide concrete block with some rebar sticking out of it doesn't see it. He drives the car right over at the top of the car up on top of it and we can't get the car off and that car is now in the middle of set where we have to get this big sort of standoff climax with no tow truck in sight the crew now had to figure out how to lift the car and move it elsewhere. So we got like a 12:15 people and we just kind of like muscled it off. But then the the passenger side door stayed on top and then we had to like drive it off and scrape the door and so took my car was just a mess after we're done shooting. We're still in the first two days folks. So there's still works had been closed down and like the ceiling like the roof of it was like this, correct. In and steal that had been kind of rusted away and stuff like that. So it was open to the elements and it just started to rain it started to pour we weren't shooting any shots at the time where we were going to see the rain but because we framed what we were shooting where we were it was out of frame, but unfortunately all the sound that we got for that portion of the page has all this rain and so now, you know, it's part of part of what we had two eighty are here in post. But but what was great about it was it stopped raining before long time and by that time we had to block this big final set piece and it was like a free wet down. It was like almost like a water truck came in and had like given us this free would like look at this beautiful puddle here that we can shoot stuff with and here's like, you know, all these kinds of things and so it was just like how can we incorporate these wild cards into the scene production truck the long to get home? Is with Tony Todd and the can about five days and total all of the safety measures were in place for the actors to work with weapons and fire Blanks on set the actor knows when they have something in their hand that is that is live, you know that requires an entire person or a team on set to make sure that it's safe. Like when you have that on set it off like a real weapon in and and mostly times these are real weapons that are fashioned the fire blanks and you cannot fake that and I knew that the actors that we were going to do this with, you know, they're not used to that. So I had them trained trained with police officers add them fire live rounds in practice, but as a film fan as as somebody who loves crime movies and you know when it's not clicking and you know, when somebody's just like spending their wrists Back simulating The Recoil and then like, you know, some bad VFX just put some Barrel fire on, Georgia. You pull way out. There's no tension anymore in terms of the parlance of blank weapons. You can do full loads or half loads or whatever, you know, but we were doing full loads for everything because we wanted we wanted that realism and and it really paid off even with all the safety measures in place training and having weapons experts on set to make sure those scenes off smoothly there things. You just can't quite prepare for we had a very small part in the movie an actor that was coming into play a very small part. They showed up to stead drunk and not actually in an action scene. And so they they were going to be handling some blank weapons. We had a fire him on the spot. We couldn't have him handling the weapons and then luckily. Our armor was like dude, I'll play it I'll do it. And so the armor then got to play the part and he's obviously familiar with the weapons. And so he's even better than the person who we had cast off. First place Josh's close friend Jake Kaufman played the lead role in the film. He was one of the first people to even know about the script is the lead actor in the movie and he was the first person I even thought about doing the movie back when I was living in Chicago when I first started writing and so he's read every draft. He's worked on the character. The character was always the character and the in the lead in the movie and he was always going to play a game at the end of those first few days shooting with Tony Todd and Jake Kaufman Josh had an emotional moment after those first four days of shooting with Tony and getting through it and just seeing my home my friend my brother just sent toe-to-toe with him and he's scenes and like and I knew we were going to be okay because now we had Tony Todd in the can and I just broke down. I just broke down that day. It was just it was such a day. I'm just thankful that that we made it through those days as far as production goes. We had a slash our budget. And so and so then we're like hey, what else can we squeeze in these dead? Is and you start to and you start to really Rob Peter to pay Paul and you start to realize we gotta move lightning-fast the exit Central State of the movie is like, I don't know this movie is even going to get to production. I feel like Terry Gilliam in a Don Quixote movie where like everything's going wrong remember because the investors dropped out Josh decided to use with monies. He'd already raised and shut out the scenes with Tony Thompson. And then worry about the rest of the film later. Well later is here. It's here. It's now and luckily the one investor that we did have had also invested in an independent film song from st. Louis earlier, which actually recently just was trending was a number a movie on Netflix for a couple of weeks hold the ghost who walks one of their main producers was now a producer of ours and he he really was the key. He helped introduces to a lot of people a lot of film people in town that also had means that believed in the movie and so we were able to get there to get the money off. In production, they raised just enough to continue production and finish principal photography. We shop five days total and that first leg and then came back in August and September off for the very end of August and and through mid-september and shot another 14 days. So we shot nineteen days total one of the more expensive items in the budget was the armor the Blank Page Letter, a' and production needed more of them for this second phase. You know, there's no armors in Saint Louis. You gotta bring somebody in and they're bringing their own weapons and all that kind of stuff. So you want to get them in office as compacted time frame as possible and then get them out and so luckily, you know our lead actor Jake Kaufman. He's in it for the Run he's staying in he's staying in this room that I'm sitting in right now like over the course of reduction. I can get him back whenever I need him, but for the armor, I've got a shoot with him in a compressed amount of time. So once again, we actually deemed it where when we came back to production. Yep. You actually hear these stories about a lot like some bigger movies. They might schedule the first week or two as kind of easy to kind of get everyone's sea legs underneath them. But like we actually figured out that we actually had to shoot the armor first. So the very first day of shooting was a big action scene that we had to shoot all in one day. The action scene was packed with fights and gunshot spaces unit. And there were several more action scenes just in the first couple of days back in production and the next two days was another big action scene that we had the shootout and more action, you know, we have like a house shoes off in the drive while I mean all these things and like and that's also where half a dozen people and some of these scenes and so you've got eyelines you got however it you got all these kinds of things. And so now you have to react not only do the math on okay just to just to have a scene to cut with I need x amount of shots and then as the days goes on you're like man, what kind of coming in Shayan get off? X amount of shots like now. How do I combine set-ups? How do I do a switch pan here to get Sade and Shout be as as one, you know, like those kinds of things. There was another scene to be shot at a different location we get to location and it's it's at a is that a trash site? It's at a it's at a recycling center with like trap actually everywhere. It's like a really tough location off once again, and we have five hours to shoot this opening scene and it's kind of a dialogue scene, but it's outside and it's kind of kind of tough conditions and all of a sudden one of The Producers comes to me and says, hey, we're about to get some pretty severe weather. It's coming in fast. We're going to have a tornado warning here in about 30 minutes. I'm like what? You know, we're we're we're we are it's kind of fine, but then I thought it looks like you know Brimstone and I'm and it's just coming at us and I'm like, how long do we have to shoot this scene and they're like, you probably have 45 minutes and then it's like pushing it off. We're not even all there yet. Like it was a company move and we have the crew still arriving are actors aren't even there yet. And he's like you probably about 45 minutes from now to get this in the pressure was on Thursday menacing clouds approached. We did three takes one accurate and then we were in the middle of the one take for the other actor and the tornado sirens start going off. I turned the producer. I was like off on these Sirens go off will do one more take and then we gotta be wheels up. We've actually finish that take with the siren. I was like we get a tiara maybe we just got to get something in the can we can't come back to this location wage. And so finally we get that one extra take and it was like Wallace those days were challenging and they started to wear on Josh. I actually love that challenge man. I lost I lost like fifteen pounds in like the first like 7-10 days because I was like just so like adrenaline-fueled you're just like trying to go go go and so we shot all that action right away. And then I kind of a certain age crashes like we started to bring some of these other actors in who now, I have to like, okay. Oh now I gotta get up for this with a small budget and huge action sequences. The film was a colossal undertaking the more time you spend in pre-production putting together your shots list storyboarding scouting the easier it will be for you on set when some unfortunate event occurs or you're losing daylight or you're pressed for time. You know, I would actually turn to r a d and our produces and I would say how do you expect me to shoot this scene and this scene and then get into the next scene all before lunch time and and they would say you were in on these conversations like you helped schedule it. The only way I can do that is if I shoot this scene in one shot and it's like two people talking. Like two pages, they're like all right set up the shot a jam-packed schedule and multiple scenes requiring multiple setups over the course of the production meant Josh had to find ways to get the most honorable coverage with the fewest possible setups. There is an angle where you can sort of get along lens and start people in a long wide and they can do like sort of like a walk and talk towards camera or like sometimes they're positioning trades place is a little bit and you can actually get a full scene in it actually feels like coverage even though it's just one angle and you're just pulling Focus as I get closer to the camera off and Dad worked a couple of times and we kind of we kind of got out of there live like shooting a scene in 45 minutes actors who arrived on set on time and ready to perform can make a world of difference. We had a lot of experience actors who who could be on book run through a rehearsal a couple of times and then like and they're just nailing marks and then it becomes, you know mere as in the camera. For missing Focus or something, you know, the team needed one more location for another scene but couldn't quite find anything that worked the location needed to be dilapidated and run down in the owners have to be okay with it more destruction. There's an old brick house that looks bored enough and I'm like, oh, this is beautiful. I'm just going to drive around the block. I just want to take a look again. And as I drive around the house, it's in the back of that song. I see a couple that sort of about to leave and that house looks horrible. It's like the worst it literally has particle board boarded up inside the package of the front door because you can tell him and kicked in already and had broken windows and they had tiles missing off the roof and it was a horrible looking house and I was like God, there's people outside. I have to stop and ask them what's going on here. I get out of my car. I see them kind of like really kind of gearing up for a fight and I introduced myself and I say hey. I'm a filmmaker. I'm making this thing. I'm trying to talk a mile a minute cuz I'm trying to get my whole thing most should be allowed before they like tell me to get the hell away from there when I end up having to say is like, hey, we have this crime movie and we need a house that's kind of a drug house and we need to shoot it up and I saw this place. I see you guys and what you guys happen to know and as it turns out they were a couple they actually lived in another part of Missouri. This was the very first of property that they'd ever bought to try to turn it into an Airbnb. So they've just bought it and this was the first time they had visited the place and they had just gone after hours of starting to clean the inside. So they were the owners of the place. They had no emotional attachment to how it looked on the inside and I was like, if you woke me, please hold off on cleaning it at all. Josh's gamble paid off not only does he get to use the house. The owners came on board as investors in the film off. In a shooting at their house were actually shooting on the furniture that was left in the house. Like they had a fumigated because I was afraid that like a brown recluse is going to bite an actor or something and like was off like hospitalized somebody and yeah, it was a mess. I mean it was like trash was everywhere. You literally had to like walk the path on the floor like through all the trash and stuff off with principal photography complete Josh now had to find more money for post-production after we finished production in August and September we went back we had an investor event where we we we showed a trailer home screen that and then from that we got we got the money we needed to to go all the way sometimes it's not until you're in post that you think of all the other things you could have done with more time or more money. There's times where I wish I had gotten different coverage. I wish I would have framed things differently here and there I had been making this movie in my head for so long that it was just kind of muscle memory to be like, oh the cameras gotta be here. I wanted to feel like birth. Like if I didn't know something if I didn't have an answer to something I knew how I wanted to feel or I knew how fast or you know, something was going to come off. So I'm glad that my instinct kicks in and then sometimes you realize all of the beautiful shots you got and all of the coverage you got were not really necessary actually bubbling cutting a bunch of stuff. I don't know maybe there's just like a masochist thing. It's sort of a pleasure in having gone through a lot of trouble for something and then just go away cutting it out and then just you'll never see the light of day Josh's feature directorial debut was a grueling production, but would he do it again? It was all worth it and you know, you sort of forget some of that baggage, but I'm definitely ready to to give back into it because like, you know, when you when you do something so intensely with a group of people and everybody's getting really good through repetition at those jobs, but that's how I felt I felt dog. Was in a production it was like I was getting really good at what I wanted to do with the movie yet in your kind of done. I get really sad at this point because it's like I would only have certain Windows long time to work with the editor. So I go to his house and work with him, but then there are times where I'd be like, hey, man, I need you to come over and you would just set up this laptop and his monitor on my kitchen table and I would have to like watch the kids snacks and like kind of just be in and out. We're just making the movie like any way we can and I miss that I miss just like the familial feeling of it off and like, you know, I'm I'm a returning to Brett Brett homeboy the editor and just being like I wish we could be in this stage like in this like second or third cut. Well, you know the movies going to be okay, but you're not there yet. There's still a lot to do and you're really making it I want to be in this like this creation mode forever. You know, how can you not want to go and do that all over again, you know like unfortunate choice. This was a good experience. And I know I'm just ready for a letdown on another project. But I'm excited to try something else that was writer-director Josh Buffy. Thank you so much Josh or information on Josh's film check out all gone wrong movies.com and don't forget to like subscribe and radar podcast.

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Charcuterie Chalets

Forked Up: A Thug Kitchen Podcast

39:53 min | 8 months ago

Charcuterie Chalets

"Welcome to fort up your go-to podcast for all things pasta. Politics and pass scales theory of probability. I'm not holloway and michelle davis today. We're talking death. Gambles fanny towels and meet houses so stay tuned. You're about to get up. What the fuck is going. On every buddy. This is the day after thanksgiving. Hope all of y'all are staying safe in the you had a nice holiday next to american audience. The rest of the world does not understand thanksgiving mindfully rightfully. So it's a weird fucking holiday rest of the world dot cult. You're willing to die for a turkey you don't even life. Drives arche man footage. The air traffic control just broke my heart. Why you're traveling now. Global pandemic what is for. What an honestly if you're if you live in a family that the global pandemic isn't a good enough excuse to miss a meal. I need the most basic. Excuse me with my family. I'm car problems. Flat tire ran out of gas a jamaican. You can't get there that bubble. It's pretty windy out there. It's fucked up. I was thinking about it. I was like the fact that this is like the one year they'd like they're going to restaurants and bars or shut down so the service industry like people are home for the holidays and this is one year that you can't spend the holidays with your family that is fucking serapis industry. Bullshit right there. Yeah for sure. I mean grocery store workers are still having to work which i mean this is already hell week for social workers in the united states. And it's only been worse when i dude. Yeah when i worked retail i fucking hated the holidays. It's the worst time he had to be retailer. Listen customer service in general. You don't know suffering until you have over and over again on black. Friday organized a table full of g-strings. Right over and over 'cause in a soon as you walk away some twelve year old and i'm like you're being a weird shit. I mean maybe now let me tell you in the early ops. No no tween was wearing a g. String that being said. Hope you'll have a good. Thanks giving we still a ton of recipes for the next month or so. If you guys haven't tried anything highly recommend checking out our website. Bad manners dot com slash beasley feasts or fi or feasts. But if you guys can't find something on our website and you happen to have my my human phone number. Please don't text me so i'm google. This is an audience addressing. Texted me the other day concern. Yeah and she was like hey. I can't find your cranberry sauce recipe on the site. You told me. And i was like nah i should be there like we tested all those links and then i'm like fuck. I do something wrong. I was like wait. Who is this from. Like my mom i was like. Oh that's user error. That's nothing we did on the website and it was concerned was money all on twitter that there was a problem the site and it was just my mom and honestly i don't believe she looked. I think she just came to me for the wanted to link. She wanted you to send it to her as you put it up right away. Yeah jeez please don't do that. Guy's still a ton of recipes for you ought to try for the holidays. Do you have anything lined up for this. Weekend's that one of those recipes. I mean i'm talking in the past right now so i don't know but i will say this past weekend. I made the blood orange book which I don't know if on the speech. Yeah i just did it. Because i got some blood oranges the store and then i was like this super simple. It's literally what is its blood. Orange is gin and then ginger beer. Yeah that's it but it's beautiful and it tastes excellent and for some reason like blood orange bucket. If you'd like if you're doing thanksgiving or any of these holiday is just you and one other person. Oh i made some blood orange bucks. People like this exotic best so fancy. It's not at all but that recipes up on the site you can see it on the page or if you just search blood orange or buck on the website you will find it or you know. Text one of us directly. I'm not giving them a phone number beyond dam. That's as close as it goes and so we were talking last week about the turkey pardons so i caught a short little brief. Stint of trump doing the pardons this year and he was unintentionally whole. We're here today to continue a beloved annual tradition. The official presidential pardon of a very very fortunate turkey because thanksgiving is a special day. For turkey's i guess. Probably the most gardner very good one when you think about it. I just love that you could see him in real timing like actually turkey. Probably don't probably don't dig this day. He he freestyles most of the time that he's in front of a crowd of people. Yeah he you're right the gears turning and he's like this is a great day for turkey's actually. This is a fucking terrible out. Yeah i know. I said it i heard it then. I thought about it so but the turkey was pardoned. I'll say i'll say that it was gorgeous. Continues to be a strange thing that we just keep doing for. No reason we we can stop doing the presidential turkey. Pardon just one year. We don't have to do it like nothing's going to happen. Turkey nation would probably appreciate less pardoning more like humane treatment humane treatment legislation. Yeah lobbying on behalf of animals yeah it's bonkers also away. You know is trying to stop outdoor dining this week and people are losing their goddamn mine. Outdoor dining as it exists is comically not outdoor. We're talking about bubble dining. Yes we talked about the bubble dining last week but like here in la in bike lanes on the streets restaurants are building literal structures. Yeah enclosing it gazebos videos but it's it's like oh you have you've just built a room. Sure maybe there's like some windows and plexiglass but this is an indoor space. No the building itself as outdoors. Yes again. I feel like designed to do not picking up what we're laying down. It's the air guys. i'm so everybody is really furious. Right now at newsom and garcetti in everybody else getting all these restrictions or the newsom because in french laundry or something. He did something because that was a like a couple of weeks ago. But yeah no. And i got it but at the same time if we all just for a month. Don't do any activities that require us to take off our masks in public And then we only stay you know in our homes with the people who belong in our homes like we might not have to wear masks from fourth of july next year. Y'all hundred percent vaccine or no vaccine july fourth. We're wearing masks. Guarantee you that yeah so Particularly if we keep complaining about outdoor dining and all the stuff first small eating your fucking homes number two. Pick it up and then eating your car. I don't give a shit but like don't take your mask off in public. That's the problem. I mean i feel like because of the vaccine news. People were like being in like core pointing fatigue. We're all we're all tired like people were just. They're getting lax about stuff and that's why there's so much air travel right now because of the holidays. S why like. I walk my dog and i don't see fucking anybody wearing masks and i read something the new york times but it was. It was like seventy percent of people who walk their dogs every day or more likely to get covid because most people who walk through do without a man outside. Yeah that's crazy but you're right if we've been seeing since the spring but if everybody play by the rules for a short amount of time then we could return to some semblance of normalcy breath. We just this shit because everyone everyone believes. They're the exception to the. Yeah we all need to buckle down. Make a blood orange buck. Stay the fuck. Is this eat at home. Why i want to eat in a bike lane anyway. Like honestly i'm like look i get to. You don't wanna cook. I totally understand that. But like michelle saying you take away. Yeah i love these restaurants. I'm not telling you to not support local restaurants that is not what anybody saying. Support them by getting takeaway. Don't eat there. You're asking them to put both themselves and their servers lives in danger. And you're endangering the lives of your follow customers like don't take off your mask in public. You know not me. Roseanne apply to me. I'm not going to get covid. Doesn't apply to me. I i can travel across the country. I won't get sick. But i don't know what you guys doing to celebrate the holidays. Please be safe all right but fuck it. Let's get into food history. It is now time for this week in food history. This serious gourmet shoot. So i just moved into a new apartment and i have been cleaning and organizing like a crazy person madison. This firsthand Lunatic style And this has got me thinking why the fuck to have paper towels like we all have kitchen towels for drying dishes and like other odds and ends like everybody has that even. If you're like a crazy paper towel person so how did we get talked into buying another thing another toe. Yeah sure a number tell that we have to constantly rebuy well. It's a product that you're spending money on throwing away. Yes so short lived life it's constantly you're constantly repurchasing So as you might expect toilet. Paper is the origin of the paper towel. So the scott paper company was founded by brothers. E irving and clarence scott and philadelphia in eighteen seventy nine. They debuted scott brand tissue toilet tissue with a thousand sheets parole at ten cents per roll so business was good and they started building a family empire on toilet paper. You know the thrown the old fashioned way fashioned on yeah come to a member so then in nineteen zero seven arthur scott who was the son of earing scott and he was the second president of the scott. Paper company had a supply problem. He received an entire railroad car full of paper that he ordered his company. Unloaded it at his plant and they discovered that it had enrolled too thick for toilet paper. all right so instead of losing shit ton of money on shipping it back and then having it. Remade gap innis apply. That would've allowed rival brands to creep into his customer base. Scott decided to roll with it. Look a true hero through it. It's like it's like that mitch. Hedberg joke about pringles cans. It was you know. He's making bags of chips. The joke is like own. The cans showed up from like tennis ball. Company is like fuck it make you work. Yeah stack them in there. Fucking ship it out. So scott is like trying to figure out how to make this work. So rumor has it but he remember talking to some schoolteacher in philadelphia mentioned to him that she gave six students disposable tissue to use the restroom instead of using the cloth roller towels that were common in public places at the time so they didn't get that old germy hands all over make the whole school get sacked where they just had like a community dish. Rag okay sony nasty. And then that's that's what i was like. What the fuck is this like roller towel. So i had never heard of these but apparently what we used to use public restrooms and places like that was this long towel with rollers on both at okay. Kind like a picture and old-timey scroll so like with the sheet in the front and the two roles behind it and so if there was clean spot visible on the sheet you like schmear your hands on and if there wasn't you kinda pull down a little as you got like a little inch of clean towel just like inch it down and the bottom spool spoiled up dirty towel and the top one had more towel to come through. This is nasty. Yes so it was just like this community. How but then you know. They washed it and they put anyone on. So that's how you used dried your hands back in the day terrible idea. Yeah yeah i mean it was pretty cool definitely not sanitary And as germ theory got more widely accepted. People are definitely ncaa. This whole group towel thing. I'll say this as someone currently living through is terrible. Yes so that's the rumor. But i think you know he doesn't need to talk to some schoolteacher to kind of make this work in his head. So scott started marketing. His new thicker paper that he perforated polo paper as a quote sani towel and sold them to hotels restaurants and railway stations. For the next thirty years. You know so places like large public places Sold them to hotels hospitals restaurants railway stations for the next thirty years but you know capitalism. You have to keep making more than the year before so in the nineteen thirties. The scott paper company introduced paper towels for homes but they did not take off. Why would people buy these when they still needed towels for other kitchen uses and they already had the tells that they needed you know. It took decades of persistent marketing towards families particularly towards housewives stressing. How paper towels are cleaner more. Sanitary and reduce the amount of laundry to do and then paper towels finally made themselves a feature in north american home so it was thirty years of marketing. More paper towels were common in american homes. Could you imagine like back in the day. Going to someone's house and you're like man. They got money. You know how much money they got. How do i got normal towse. And then they got these other tells his fucking throwing away. Yeah they the salmonella right off that countertop little bit of four nine just throw that bitch away. I mean it's wild. You can see that like we didn't want paper towels foisted now. I mean the marketing still to this day. But yeah we'll get a paper towel. Commercials sustain fucking shit and thus a whole new market and a whole new part of an aisle of a grocery store was worn but only in the us for the most part so global spending on paper towels for use at home added up to twelve billion dollars in twenty seventeen and that was the most recent year i could find and americans counted for about five point. Seven billion dollars of that in total so american takes half so almost in other words. The us spends nearly as much on paper towels as every other country in the world combined. Hey where you say you say those fucking towns away. it's not it's not even close up in covid cases. Were up in paper towel. You smarttalk young america. Who says week aren't so like a shining city on the mountain and cova de has only made us by more paper. Towels sent me to my last paper dolls. And we don't recycle them for the most part and most of the paper products that we buy here in the us are not made from recycled paper themselves particularly not paper towels so all of this is ending up in landfills. Yeah so. According to the epa americans consume about six hundred sixty two pounds of paper per person per year a lot. It's a lot of fucking pay for eighty one percent of paper discarded in a given year in the united states could be recycled while only about thirty percent of that eighty one percent of paper is actually recycled. So we're missing a huge margin of paper. That sounds impossible like to actually recycle more well in germany in two thousand five so yes fifteen years ago. The paper recycling rate in that country seventy four percent figured it out. They figure it out fifteen years ago and they're still staying red around that numbers to this day. So it's a uniquely american problem. We need to stop being so obsessed with paper towels and the minor convenience. They bring us. They weren't created to fill a need like so many products which are always the products that we love the mouse. Because it's like. Oh we all needed this. Thank goodness that you made it. But they were made and then the need was manufactured the like we don't need them. It took them like forty years of talk us into it guy. The marketing is interesting that it was aimed at housewives instill when i see a paper towel commercial. It's a woman actress. An eighty percent of the time and listen. you know. i try to be a dirty hippie. But i fucking love paper towels a love paper towels but we can't keep this shit up. The rest of the world gets it. We need to wise up. So i say twenty twenty one like. Let's try to chill on the paper towels. Y'all we don't need them. Just have a fucking bucket under your sink. Put your dirty rags in it and move on with your life dirty rag book. Twenty twenty one twenty twenty one do not have a recall this week but i did want to briefly talk about sort of our collective mental health. You know a lot of people are struggling. I mean are. Would i would say. Most of us are struggling. Only the very fortunate or the very crazy are thriving right. Now is a litany of reasons soon point to that. I don't have to cause obvious. Even even in the best viewers like we all suffer from maybe touch a seasonal depression or you know the holidays or these tough time of year especially in two thousand twenty. So you know if you're feeling down or if you're struggling just to do basic things like remembering to feed yourself and to drink water like you know. It's things are tough and you're not alone. I'm right here with you. I don't michelle's right here with you. Things are tough. It's okay to give these motions some space and to be kind of yourself. Give yourself a little grace like the goals and standards that maybe we've held ourselves to in the past. They don't apply this year. Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah i think. I think this is good point. You know everybody's struggle is obviously unique. And i don't have any answers but i just think that it is important to give these emotions some space and remind yourself that you're you're a lot stronger more capable than you realize you know. Then you're living through a global pandemic the again if that is not an acceptable. Excuse your fucking ride. Like i don't know what is third so just just be nice yourself for the holidays are tough and it's even harder for those of us who struggle with depression when the sun sets of three o'clock in the afternoon or you know you love living alone most of the year but this time of year it's hard because You know everybody is gone or with other people. And it's okay to be down but just know that this too shall pass. Y'all know tyson foods. You know the same cartoonish lee evil corporation whose business model is selling carcasses. Put it the same slime balls that begged the president to stay open during a global pandemic against the advice of health officials and local authorities and then provided no p p. to its employees and then over a third of their workforce contracted the coronavirus. You know this. Same shitheads who successfully lobbied. The federal government increased line speeds because apparently one hog. Three seconds isn't fucking fast enough and then replace. Usda inspector's with their own employees. The same tyson foods. Who cut a deal with the justice department to admit no wrongdoing while also avoiding any consequences for price fixing over a decade taking money away from retailers and consumers were tyson foods would like to add immoral to their resume of evil after releasing statement last week. When news broke of a lawsuit against the company. Alleging managers and supervisors taking bets on. How many employees would catch covid nineteen the lawsuit which was brought by the family of a deceased plan employees. Like he's got some pretty damning shit. Oh man black hawk county sheriff. A named tony thompson went to the plan april and he said that the working conditions quote shook him to his core now. Like that's that's important to know because police officers and firefighters we check in medics. We see them on our worst days. That's their job. Every day they see the most fucked up things of society every day and just hurt and maimed people do so for a cop to go to a slaughterhouse. They're in a pandemic and say that it shook him to his core noteworthy. That's all it must be terrible in bed tom. Hart a plant manager organized the cash. Buying for other managers and supervisors on how many employees would catch corona virus like the worst lottery pool all time. Yeah you really got to sell your soul now. This is after plant. Managers began avoiding the plant floor out of fear. Catching corona virus themselves in responsibilities fell to low level supervisors who had no training or receive no additional compensation for doing their bosses job so they just made their employees work while like leading all of the danger and then betting on who would get sick and possibly die. Okay good buttoned up short. It gets worse john. Casey another plant manager specifically instructed supervisors to nor covert simpson. Saying it's not a big deal. He called it a glorified flu until one supervisor who had covert symptoms and wanted to leave work to go get tested quote. We all have symptoms. But you have a job to do for employees. That didn't miss any shifts. Over three month period tyson paid five hundred dollar bonuses which incentivize sick employees to show up to work and five hundred dollars is nothing to sneeze at e- especially during a global pandemic totally the lawsuit alleges another incident where an employee vomited while working on the floor. Enticing let him continue his shift. Oh i fully believe that. Every grow she started ever worked out with. Ups just rinse it off and get back to work yet. Did anyone did a customer. You know workman's comp jordan. It's also worth noting. Tyson foods despite being profitable during the pandemic also received one and a half billion dollars out of the forty billion dollars. Covert relief funds which is in addition to the hundreds of millions of dollars. Tyson receives and various tax rebates and subsidies every single year. They couldn't buy face masks for their employees. Okay tyson foods should not exist there unethical to their core. They sell unhealthy product to their bone polluting. Firemen there literally stealing from customers and they're risking their own labor force and then taking bets on it like satan has to be standing back golf clapping just being impressed with how fucking you can be really gilding the lily. Oh i mean you had one two years ago as satan apparently longtime listener first-time caller look. I know the most of our audience. Y'all omnivores in you. Just enjoy food. Which happens to be vegan. Like we know y'all are going to eat meat. I'm not trying to convert anyone right now. I am however reminding y'all of the power that you have is a consumer to make changes with your dollar. Stop giving money to these fucking slime ball. Just don't eat meat from tyson. And its subsidiaries seaview can have if there's a local butcher in your area that you could support or like maybe try meat alternatives. Do anything else literally anything anything company and they only exists because there's demand for it well and they hurt humans. They hurt the environment and the herd animals. Like fuck them. I mean i'll say just you and me. Michelle is papers. I'm fucking pissed that i'm having a subsidize these assholes. I don't appreciate it. I appreciate it. Only don't even buy their product. And i have to fuck and give them money on some scale adding on whether or not your employees who you've demanded stay at work are going to get sick and die from a pandemic. That's going around that your avoiding while you make millions and billions of dollars. I mean fuck you fuck all the way off. Sometimes food media tries to make something happen. That is so horrifying to me. That i have to speak up care way for this one and today is that there's a lot of bullshit i feel like food. Media has become a sort of go. Kereish thing where you try to up the ante just just for people's reactions and click beatty or it's just advertising companies Or i mean occasionally. There's a well thought-out deep dive piece but it's getting drowned out by bullshit. And here's some of that bullshit. I have seen article after article recently touting charcuterie and crew detailed gingerbread houses and i fucking hate them so if you're like oh with cookies now so it's like gingerbread houses like a house Built out of like crackers and crew detaille and like cheese or like the or. There's like little cured meats as the roof and like more meat all over like when you said that my mind went to those places i was like okay. So they're doing you know gingerbread houses but they make glacier cury like like a like a meat plate that you'd order but it's all ingredients you would use for a gingerbread house. yes and my mind was like no. They wouldn't use cured meats build a little house. That's insane. just i'm sending you a for in. Now is horrible. So number one. I can't imagine anything less sanitary during a global pandemic than eating a house made of sweaty cured meats that someone finger blasted for at least a fucking our as they built it at room temperature and then share it with a ton of people and their gross fingers. Have you watched someone build a gingerbread house. Think about how much they touch everything. This is a our saying how evil tyson was. But this is. This is manifest validity of meat meat house. It doesn't mean it house why they're horrifying to look at. What's on top of this mayonnaise. What is it. i'm guessing it's cream cheese cream cheese and then looks like salami. Yeah like salami bread sticks the pine trees made of rosemary. You i'll give you that scrolling houma god there's so much look at the bottom it's like it looks like uncle making around the house is citing a could be just thick per shoot. Oh what is it that does it. Looks like uncooked baking. Yeah and then those that's cheese. So then what do you do jim. You eat it so no and they put it back in the fridge when you know everyone's done picking at this was muscle okay. So food and wine and better homes and gardens recently ran the exact same article talking about this trend so probably owned by the same company. So i'm going to read you guys a little segment so quote. Yes you read that right. The latest holiday food trend involves swapping out gingerbread icing and candy for cold cuts cheese cubes and fresh veggies. We've even seen thanksgiving charcuterie boards but this tasty trend takes it to a whole new level. Share cury shall as as folks online or calling them aren't totally new. But we're starting to see more of them as we get closer to thanksgiving. Perhaps because more people are spending time at home and looking for new thanksgiving traditions to start this year. You'll never heard of a fucking jigsaw puzzle. Like what is this. This is a murder house. Can you imagine it is an actual slaughterhouse. Literal its slaughter the hansel and gretel had come upon in the woods they would have never entered. Hollywood florida hansel. Greta we desire. Were they find a meat house but imagine eating so you go go to your mom's house she's in your your fucking pot or whatever you go there and she puts it this shit out see. I thought that people were assembling this. And then it's like and then put in the oven for twenty minutes at three hundred fifty degrees at this is so wrong it looks terrible. It would taste terrible. It'll be a nightmare to eat. And it's profoundly unsanitary once in a blue moon if i happened upon gingerbread house. Nobody the gingerbread. I'm just got after them. Gumdrops this is a heartache. Gingerbread houses worst part gingerbread. We're here for the candy on the outside. Right here to look icing. Y'all doing this. If i see a single friend of mine on instagram post. Any of this shit. They're getting blocked immediately does is i mean the thing. Yes certainly thing. Please don't do this. Guys meet houses are fucking nightmare as cream. Cheese and everything else these monsters. They're using to make these houses. Like i hate it. I don't remember what it was for urine. I got invited to some party. I think was an industry thing. And i know exactly what do you do you know. Do we went. We went to this party without a fancy fancy hotel here very fancy hotel many famous people in attendance. I forgot while we were there. I somebody who doesn't we decided to go for that. We weren't working. We were but anyway so we walk in and you know it's typical crowd is fucking pop. Collars like super thin like models and shit. And they're in the middle. My chunky ass motherfucker. I i could have taken the girls restroom by force. No quest show. We walked in easily the poorest kids in their show. Yeah hands down but we walk in in the middle of the room. There's table a marble table yet. And they have what. I can only describe as leaflets of meat. Was a very finely cut very thinly cut like shuto but like a mountain of it. There was a laundry pile of. Just me yeah. He's a sinner. It just smelled like cured meat. It was such a strange event. And i'm like piles of cheese and it was very late. Medieval king did fuel sort of like a medieval knights. Kinda at the table was so fucking. This isn't even a vegan complaint. This is just knows it was a weird thing to see. I was like what the fuck is that and is sat there for hours. Oh warm. and everyone's talking and spitting all over touching it. Yeah slimy me. Can you imagine if in the middle of the pile of meat after ever picked off all of it. There was just a little murder house. Little charcuterie xiaowei gingerbread fucking know you. And i didn't even think we got. There was nothing we could eat. Yeah we ended up getting a cocktail. We hung in the corner and just made fun of everybody. You know what you did is. You're very good at this is it. You're like oh that sounds so like you see people when you're like. Hey remember that movie about the thing. Yeah that's that guy with her. Yeah you pick those people out of crowd like that yet. I i have a thing with faces. It's not just famous people. Like if i saw you at a hotel that i was also famous. Miss show recognize you in a minute. Yeah and i saw you then like where were we. Were in palm springs or something one time and there was these three guys are at our hotel and then we saw them out to eat and i was like hey. Those guys are our hotel. And i scared the shit outta did it with some people. They came to one of our mini signings. We had and you're like hey. Do you remember like those two girls and they came into signing like we talked about x. y. and z. And i was like. How do you fucking remember this shit and your anyways. She deemed the other day. How do you know how do you know. Blessing and curse. I'm sure it's remember every day. you know. I wish. I could forget that fucking shaved meet pile. I can't you when i go to bed tonight. I'm not going to be thinking about these meat houses. Your brain has burned into my brain. My soul was a crime against humanity. Everyone should be ashamed. Let me ask you this. How much do you think it costs like raw materials. I'm talking roofing materials talking drywall. I mean i think it really depends on one of these houses on how much you spend like like how what level of meat like because if you're doing salamis versus like you sure quality counts. I would see minimum conservatively on the low end. Thirty five dollars really. Yeah because meets this meeting cheeses expensive but you could for thirty five dollars. You could put together a much nicer like cheese and meat board with a little fig jam on the side and like some elements of union assembly. Yeah i'm not. i'm not saying avoid these things. I'm just saying. The thing is that people were building it into like a foundation and just again finger blasting them at room temperature because it takes people minimum in our to build a gingerbread house. I'm guessing with these new materials. It's gonna take you longer hot. Sweaty gross covert fingers. The concept of these houses of the health code violent build. The city will show up immediately. Just shut shut down. Shut your kitchen down s. They might shut down this podcast. That's enough fucking bullshit. When we we have to go in. Pick up our mini knives across town. We dropped off twenty one to be sharpened little mercury. We were rolling deep with ours yesterday. I had like a little tote bags step to looking looking. We got twenty one knives on us at any moment with the lady when we dropped him off the fucked you guys do for a living martyr so we had to twenty one look like it looks like when they arrested the joker and they're they're like all his threads accustomed had twenty one dollars on them but they don't forget to visit our website. We've got all your holiday food covered you now. We we've got all your drinks everything you need to get through. He's still got all that cranberry sauce. Leftover don't forget. We have our cranberry spitzer on the website to just go to bad manners dot com slash face and go get your knife. Sharpen maybe not all at once. You got to keep one. Which was a fatal mistake. Did i made. I gave all my knives to the pile and then i couldn't cook the pile demanded so it's just a friendly reminder sharp knives. She's doing once a year super cheap. Shout out to our producer. Sean merrick for dealing with this flamy fleming pod and for yourself. I got a. We'd cough that. Sean has cut him around fair enough shadow to the potty. And we've been getting some idea. Submissions for out in the world. And we would love to hear your assume. Dms on instagram or twitter. Some of your ideas and you might just hear them in an upcoming episode. I wanna do a whole episode. It's just like user submitted content. I'll give you all the keys to the kingdom. Y'all gonna have your own like all episodes. She's the days yes if you prefer one of us read them over the other just let us know when the cloud of our guys have a great weekend stay safe and mascot and we'll see you all next week.

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Chariots of Fire

The Red Box Politics Podcast

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Chariots of Fire

"Whatever business you're in growth is just about getting bigger at adp. We believe it's about getting stronger by turning data into insights so you can build teams that work as teams by using our technology to help catch payroll errors before their errors and by keeping a head of thousands of changing regulations. So you can keep ahead of everything else. Adp businesses like yours. Grow stronger everyday. Adp hr talent time and payroll. This focused on matt surely coming up. Should the olympics go ahead in tokyo this year. Even some false people think that perhaps it shouldn't so take a look at that. I kick off with our columnists panel. Is alex massie and rachel comey lying. Quite interested in lying. And when a law not ally. When is it a bit of spin and nonsense and sepoy lies form little white lies or we believe the time and it feels like the essence of try to detangle a lot of we got from dominic. Cummings this week. Alex is matt hancock ally. I well. I mean it's very difficult for for for for the layman of those sites site. The process to to really say definitively. In general terms has the the health secretary often delivered If you like an optimistic appraisal of where The way matters have been vis-a-vis coronavirus over the last fifteen months that has been at odds with the reality on the ground. While i think you have to say yes. He has quite frequently combat The question of whether he's he's lied to cabinet ministers light to parliament is in some ways somewhat beside the point because what the big picture from from cummings extraordinary evidence In this week is the. The government is serially incompetent. Time when you had to you when you wondered why the minute mister cummings. Will you know notionally playing quite a senior role in this You know it was almost as though he was sort of commenting upon a an administration of which he Had little influence of pinch yourself to to remember the you know. He was the prime minister senior adviser. He was supposed to be getting a grip on things and so to a certain extent. His testimony was An admission of extraordinary failure on his part. But that is only a small part of a more general system. White to use a very cummings type phrase Failure and that that it seems to be as perhaps more important than some of the the particular detail as to which politicians he is saying. Nice things about quick's politicians think bad things by the general picture is perhaps a bigger truth than than any of the the the this contributory details to that picture. What do you think Is it possible to know wolf sees a lawyer or is an an also. I suppose is if somebody said something at the time and then that turned out not to be the case. So it didn't work with wasn't quite the you know how the plan panda is a lie. The title was it. Just you know you've made the wrong call. You've made the wrong assumption. I keep coming back to that line in the Press statement after the harry and meghan oprah interview when the royal family was commenting on some of the things they said they said recollections may vary which i think it's a lovely way of encompassing vance. Human human memory is fallible but also you can say something that you think is true at the time or you sort of imply something you know that somebody else is going to take from implication that something is being done or is happening. Which isn't happening is is a lie in that sense. Is it alive you. You believe it to be true. You believe that it it can be true. It's it's interesting offically. Walking i think is interesting about that. Is he actually used the phrase lie. You'd matt hancock had lied repeatedly and he was sort of cooled down on that and asked if he had evidence to back that up and he said that he did so. I imagine that a certain amount of pressure now for him to produce some of that that that evidence because some of those claims were quite explosive and donning streets in a very interesting position because they can't act on those allegations without suggesting that a lot of the other things that coming said about the entire government in the prime minister being incompetent also true but if specific evidence emerges of a light at the health secretary told it's very very difficult for him to maintain his position and then the rest of the test and the get added credibility to so right. Now we're in a position where somebody is. Is misleading somebody because there are so many now on the record contradictory versions of events. Getting to the bottom of exactly. What happened was in the room when it happened. I think is unlikely at this point at. I suppose that's the thing. If too much of the effort is going into settling schools. You'll never get to the truth or sunday. Never learned any lessons necessarily about what we should do. If god forbid there was another pandemic if we spend our whole time to work out why easy it the dominant coming seems to hate. Magma quite exactly. I've been that that that is not really the major what you know. We should take them. Cummings is testament Does he suggested that you actually. We are not ready for a lot of other possible disasters. That may down the line. There was a remarkable moment when he said you know. I have seen the plan for what we do. If there is a major anthrax attack in the united kingdom and that plan is a good plan. You know it needs work. That's not let onto the for other contingency plans are in place the perhaps needs to be reappraised in the light of what we've learned from the covid pandemic you know. How prepared is the british state for other stressful situations of this salt. Because we know that that the will be future pandemics. We know that the will future unforeseen events you know. How ready is the government. Fold these things and and you know that's something that's been somewhat lost in the Sort of westminster -nology if you like as the trying to pause was meaning by what he was saying. The bigger picture is actually much more concerning the of that. Overstate also goes to the prime minister's behavior his character and so the extraordinary association from cummings the lesson. Boris johnson took from his own quote near death. Encounter with corona virus. Was the first lock dialing had been a mistake. Now if that's the case then you have a prime minister who subsequently finds himself following a course of action that leads to a second or third on the prime minister. Presumably thinks is the wrong thing to be doing. So you have a prime minister. Who is too weak to his own. Course or the alternative is that you have a prime minister who is in some sense. -pletely divorced from reality. Neither of those it seems to me a particularly comforting things to to to contemplate but one of them has to be true. And what can we. What can we do about liars. Rachel you've written about the question of if it turns out that dominic cummings has been telling lies about who else was was telling lies or maybe is just a reading depressing facts that if you look at Polling those fifty five percent of people don't trust boys johnson normally anyway and You know about that when he won't he's majority in december twenty nine hundred full ahead of wednesday. Fourteen percent of people said they would believe they would trust dominic cummings version of events on colonial suspect. That's changed because some people agree with him so but is it just a really depressing reality that we think people in politics lie all the time. I think it's a complicated questions. So i write this for the new statesman this week because i thought if it turns out that dominic cummings if it proved that he did give incorrect or misleading information. Shortly there are consequences surely it's like perjury or lying on derives on the answer is it. Isn't i spoke to some some lawyers about this and they said that actually there were. There are no penalties for lying. Select committee certainly not for nonmembers. For 'em pays for ministers theoretically if you're found to be in contempt of parliament. You can be forced to resign. Well we've seen a number of incidents over the past few years of revelations that various members of the government including the prime minister have not acted with quote honesty and integrity which is part of the ministerial code. Have there been resignations. of course there haven't and if it's not difficult to hold people to account when that actually people who have rolled in parliament and in government how he meant to hold people to account who were just members of the of the public you can't and what's interesting about dominic cummings did he has actually been found in contempt of parliament previously for refusing to appear in front of the select committee to talk about vote leave and facebook and fake news and he was admonished in the house of commons. Which is quite serious. You you you would think that would be quite serious. The house of commons saying this person has been found in contempt of parliament months later. He's an advisor to downing street again. No consequences whatsoever. He's gonna parliamentary pass. So the idea that we have this code of conduct but we expect people in government and public officials to just behave with integrity. Because they know if they don't the threat to their reputation is enough of a deterrent clearly operating in that world anymore utterly vacations. No there aren't do. We have any way of holding people to account unfortunately at the moment. No we don't if we want to how those legal whereas occasions that is going to completely change the ethos in the structure of our government system and we have to start writing things down which is something that we we don't seem to like in the uk but one of the person who's who emerged completely unscathed dominant cummings onslaught. This week was wishy sooner. Because he's just a slight touch. The gordon brown's virginia just disappear for large periods pop up the treasury select committee yesterday saying the treasury has got nothing to learn from the greenfield. Lobbying scandal in defended his text messages with david cameron dominant cummings heaping praise on wishy. Soon i even know actually will everything we know about what happened last year. She soon ac was against lockdowns. Wanted to end. Lockdowns wants to tell people to go back to the office. Repeatedly tried to end the furlough scheme before being told sir Continuing oppose the idea of School meals full Children were joined lockdowns to. And you know facet into it by marcus rush. Alex is is she soon any good. It's very difficult to say. I mean he's not been in post for long but you know what is what he is. Certainly good at is promoting if you like brand ritchie That i think the perhaps the chancellor might spend a little less time on instagram twitter promoting himself the the be the case i it is quite clear. The worst something to happen to the prime minister. God forbid The chancellor is the most likely the the only credible successor currently in the cabinet. And so to that extent there is a significant interest. The conservative party at a moment to ensure the chancellor's reputation remains intact and there is know i think some of the stuff about what the treasury's view on lockdowns on each tight to help by on free school meals. Some of this. I think can be just can be skype. The traditional treasury view that they the treasury is the grownups in the room if you like else wants to spend spend spend spend and the treasury from time to time has two point type. Unwelcome truths On some of the consequences of everybody else to play with all the toys. They what know. institutional thing vis-a-vis the treasury rather than the chancellor's own preferences but it remains the case that he has risen Su so rapidly the it. Is you know very few people. Really have much of an idea as to who richie sunai really is. And that is a very advantageous position for a politician to find himself because it allows people to project onto him their preferences their own preferences that our desires if you like i assume in some strange fashion the chancellor represents those preferences when will advance those desires and that is is a very fortunate position for a politician of wish to find himself. But it's one that can't last forever. Because at some point richie soon. We'll have to say who he really is. Do you know who he really is. He's starting to instagram. I i think his it in the petition. Because of the response to the pandemic on the scheme which was a triumph it was put together from from nothing and in place in a matter of Less less than two weeks. And i think a lot of people look advanced. I'm thinking that wishy sanok sort of helped them through the pandemic because they won't follow her hundred thousand people don't fight like he hasn't been tested on yet all the decisions where he has to take something away whether that's through a tax rises or a weaning people off that support as as the we come out of the pandemic and when those job losses start to hit a when people are no longer getting government support suddenly. I think he's going to be a lot less popular. He's been in this weird position of of being able to handle the sweeties throughout the pandemic. Because it has been quote unprecedented times. That isn't going to be the case forever. You have to start taking the sweets back. That's indeed on the select committee and green. I actually kind of think he's right. The treasury comes out very well from the tax with david cameron. Dave cameron comes out appallingly. Desperate in an needy. Please take my calls. Police say michaels. I'm the treasury. Says you know very politely. I keep getting in touch. Mr cameron to us. Women you this then does does nothing and not as i think the white response which comes then. Of course you don't forget you get yourself a tom. Subscription go to the top cut. Uk times fox up next. Should the olympic games go ahead Whatever business you're in growth isn't just about getting bigger at adp. We believe it's about getting stronger by turning data into insights so you can build teams that work as teams by using our ai technology to help catch payroll errors before their errors and by keeping ahead of thousands of changing regulations. So you can keep ahead of everything else. Adp helps businesses like yours grow stronger every day. Adp hr talent time and payroll. You're listening to red box. Podcast now time for this laid a year ago of course because the coronavirus pandemic now it's due to start in less than two months eleven weeks today. The tokyo olympics. Twenty twenty a jew to kickoff thoughts. Coronavirus is still costing shadow over the games. It's likely that tokyo state of emergency extended three weeks to the twentieth of june. One of the sponsors of the games and said that it shouldn't go ahead and tough measures could stay in place for about a month of up until the city is to host the opening ceremony go hand. In how different will it be a moment. Speak to some athletes Covered and former paralympian and olympics. About what they think should happen. But let's go live now to tokyo and speak to bitch. Lloyd probably asia editor of the times to get the pitch from their. Hi richard. hello there good evening from tokyo. could good. evening could often no good morning from london. I've just sort of talk about. So what is the latest in terms of the chance. All of the game's going ahead because it feels like even in the last day or two. There's been more pressure for not to go ahead as planned. Yeah well officially. The international olympic committee on the japanese in tokyo governments. Say it's fine. We confident we can do it. Safely but increasingly an especially in the last week or more pressure is mounting on the japanese government to to to cancel to sway the ifc to council and hour's time super the to prime minister willis announced that the extent of the state of emergency until june the twentieth which is just thirty three days. I think for the exemptions due to start. They've they've done this twice now extended the state of emergency. People must be wondered whether i'll have to do it again at the end of food. So you know. I think we can assume behind the seeds that very serious discussions going on within the government about the best thing to do is and they must find themselves in a difficult dilemma. And it was one of japan's biggest newspapers which is also a sponsor of the games. They've now called for it to not go ahead. That's right near the the flu. Big japanese national daily newspapers are partners as a sponsor cooled of the games and the asahi newspaper. Which is sort of centre-left guardian in japan came out at an editorial two days ago. Sang sizzling terms. Saying that it's ridiculous for these guys go ahead. It's completely unreasonable. And it's a threat to public house. It was a really powerful line. They took and there's also question marks athletes being able to go. America of if warned against america gazed. America's americans traveling there. So is it possible even if it does go ahead. not all countries will be represented. Yeah what's more mo- these sort of strange contradictions and paradoxes are popping up because you know in japan and around the world people are taking the pandemic of course very seriously. The cases are high japan moment but at the same time that trying to put on the chip lunatic face so as you say. The american government put japan on. It's it's great for list which is a list of countries where americans are strongly coach not to visit but at the same time the us olympic committee. I've been saying no it's fine are or athletes will be going. There are lots of things which are becoming more difficult to square just to give you another example of a small one. But i live close to a big park in tokyo. Your yorkie poke and yogi park. Has that building if started to build a prepare to build a big viewing stage. There where people join olympics will be encouraged to gallon ingo and worse. The olympics on big screens are together. But you can't go into the park most of it because it's considered too dangerous for the pandemic so that is preparing to welcome people to into the park at the time on the parks. You can't go on. This is happening more vulnerable contradictions. Coming to the deal struck. This week was no about plans to try to vaccinate all athletes who are due to attend so trying was that we assure us ratio. They've taken but also show the japanese public because public opinion has turned against the games as well. public opinion. Been against against the game since last year. Really getting stronger. That's what they're saying is that they will encourage all athletes to the vaccinated are not going to force anyone to do it. And i think that facts he jumping provided for that. But i mean there was an interesting article in the english. Mets gust doctors and an infectious disease experts reports out. That's all very well and athletes from from britain. From europe's in north america. Probably most them. We'll be excited. But this two hundred. Six countries take part in it picks in the hundred of those countries. They had their haven't got authorized vaccine so they just haven't got the veil ability. I mean of course there are the small poor countries but they're all be sending athletes as well another output that these vaccines licensed jennifer. You saw young people teenagers or younger. So the very young give. Nasa swim dolly. Those y- twelve. They would be nice it either. So that'd be plenty of people coming in richard. What's your hunch. Is it gonna happen. I wish you the truth. Is i think the truth is that they haven't decided yet. The ifc desperately wants to go ahead. 'cause exists so that olympics can happen. It'd be devastating. The japanese government. We'll be terrible for them to call it off. That they have a lot of other things to bear in. Mind and i think probably they. They're keeping fingers toes and lex effervescent crossed the hoping. In a month's time things will look better and it will be easier sell to the public but i. I'd be surprised if the japanese government is completely ruled out consolation. The stage which is lovely speech was never have a good evening. Because now if talk with you which probably the age ready to the times joining us from tokyo up. Next to hit. Form some of these spokeswoman many women themselves about how they feel about the prospect of whether or not. The olympic should go ahead in tokyo in just eleven weeks to twenty twenty olympics. Calls should have happened. Last summer organizers join up more and more colona virus rules for each individual sports tried to prevent an outbreak at the some games if they go ahead has thirty three competitions. Three hundred and thirty nine events held across forty two venues as the logistical conundrum. Never mind there's also the paralympics due to happen immediately afterwards with five to fifty nine events across twenty two sports in twenty one venues okay. Well let's chat to Some of the people who've competed in previous olympics and find out what they think about. Whether or not it should go ahead early. I suppose gail emms from a team. Gb badminton player. She attended two olympics winning silver medal. In two thousand and four. I started here. Just what it's like to go to your first olympic games like It's a nice you know. You are and then national vice k. I was twenty seven. I went to my best impact which in income schools people's tends quo. And you like you think about some guy. When he was like fourteen and then i'm twenty seven i missed out on sydney for your saudia by one place. So i think it was even more my show for me thing and And he just he just you wearing the tutsi walking around the olympics that you're seeing famous enough to famous sports star. I knew one of them. You pub this unique club of people which is something you can never really explain to. People is something that you watched on ebay and suddenly you of that on this. Yeah it's just your your emotions just comes pouring out because some it's real. You are an olympian. Do you. act cool. Events took olympia all news. Install asking me for selfish. Try always pre of media days. There's great i mean we just see at the old secret millionaire. Or i you know how you and that was more like coleman mother and taking southeast and i'm thinking patriots people but i don't think it was still old school time resign as well so yeah about some really good bite size but i think you have to. You can't see that respect that one. That one's got that jokester so you have to have this little bit of our you know you might be a messy on gallons We have the same level. 'cause he think oh my. Gosh oh my gosh is seven side. You have to be like watching this so they should absolutely so they should. And so what do you think about whether or not the olympics should go ahead this summer in tokyo. This last year Dc they should go ahead this summer. My heart and my head are really torn on this. Because i'll just say from an athlete quincy gave. He's been training in a single day for the olympic games. You're like oh my god this i you let it happen because this is what i've been training for. What was the pus. Otherwise but then you know knowing what olympics is like knowing what the olympic should be about knowing what you know that in motion the celebration the real reason why we have the olympics and now we shouldn't go ahead because they won't be an olympics it's just going to be sterile horrible events which people putting on just the second putting on some money and try and gain some money and the money in politics. I mean who share you know serving that we come at love. Then should we do it. Is it really the you know you want to look in the crowd and see gp slacks. You want four cow. Anyone see your mom is in the crowd because that the ones that have been supporting you all the way and now they call me back. You know all these things that you know. Somebody is fine because it goes the audience. Fill the stadium and everything not be impacting rainy. Ethan and i'm a real believer and if you can save crooked as i say i just feel so wrong but i ca- from the nasty. I must be heartbreaking for them. But i just wish that have made this decision. I just think they've been hiding on hanging on. I'm not just starting my what's gonna happen. I'm not also horrible for the athletes. Horrible horrible for the manages. Even the people you know events manages and and you know the japanese are helping out. It's just fails wears red a d. c. disconnect on the wall and we've seen this recently in football too and it was on the one hand fans and The athletes you know the the bowman's of the sports and all of that and the you know the patriotism and all the stuff you're talking about but then the flip side is though is you know. It's hard the money and the financial side and like you said in the politics and it's a it's a massive business thing isn't it. It's a lot of money riding on this g. See that that that is being put before the safety of athletes. I am not necessarily and say. Hey i tell you i do not believe that. The japan and tokyo and the cities will not do the best. They see they can't keep say south that but that's not what it is about. You just talked about that passionate emotion from fans every every place is going. Oh my god. It's awful playing fronts. Who and he stays in horrible. You know that's you you slapping glad. Cic and i russell play crying dots are trying to describe it. What it's like not about say he can hear the crowd and you just walk out and then he put on a performance. You wanna show the world what you can say how your scale or even strongest either best sought for school. She's about and those cheering you on that. Maybe there against you try and turn the crowd. That's what school kids. And they like that. You'll performing for the sake of performing because someone's that's that we have to do this because we pay by that. If we die again to just say oh could have been a say We need to scrape money. We know about money now because you know in school golf and tennis now when really that really not the biggest events for them so we know that it's about money but now it's just gone really is about money it really is. It's just no even you know it's not feeling guy it is how it should i. Yeah it's frustrating on. I just think they should just say and just put everything back for everyone guys talking on the four years to take care high sedan in twenty twenty four but now i feel like it's. She likes those games of a full mammal silver medal at the olympic winter. Two olympic games. She's saying that it shouldn't go ahead this summer. Well now to put some pretty sure. There's a hope but he does. Go ahead tom. Bosworth olympic a race walker. And you'll do to be going on. Tom selected and got my place on on the plane. So he could. We've also joined by bonus grey thompson. Tony thompson calls now. Crossbench paralympian anna holder of eleven gold medals from the paralympic Olympics tiny get is good morning baltimore. Thank you for joining us. I'll talk a about a way. You capable so tom at first of all. So you've been selected. We selected last year as well. How have you spent the last twelve months in a sort of state of preparedness hoping that the olympics will go ahead this year. Because presumably you wipe from went rio. You have four years of you know giving up for the next limits in two thousand and twenty. They were postponed. How's it been for you. Some sort of as an athlete. Yeah by so many different challenges of never faced before my athletic career. I mean to say that we had almost every day planned out from about the end of the two thousand eighteen season three to august. The fifth on twenty twenty is almost understatement. We had to prepare perfectly we. We can never get back on the daisy miss but then in march last year i ended up catching covid. Him was really unwell. So i was relieved to the game so cancelled an and it's kind of been a bit of a fight back from from that point but for me as you say went to rio and it's now been five years old. I'm i'm hoping to be at my peak right now in my career so it it is now whenever really for me and that's why i feel so strongly that from a selfish point of view i guess go ahead has having been in with a carnivores if you haven't had any long term effects i mean there's been lots of tools people this long cove just you know affecting them you know Physical health was a unit to be absolute peak at eleven weeks. Time If you if you suffered any long effects having it well. I don't think i really did have have long code. I did know the impact know. We're we're pushing bodies every single day. And i wasn't able to get anywhere close to that so of level and for for probably three or four months sense i even i wouldn't close is long. Covid it really did feel like suffering from a bad injury or saved similar and it wasn't just like recovering from from a code and then a couple of weeks later you're good at it. I missed the entire of loss last summer which there wasn't any racist anyway but it was constantly my mind questioning whether that would be out to get back back to my best but thankfully i have three this winter. Could need your despite all the your your pumped up where the fight up desperate to go. Well i mean. I can't be anything else. Four for an olympic games in the very best. You just have to vote until they. We're told otherwise. I it's going head and we're going to be fighting for those medals tommy thompson. What do you think should it go ahead. This summer Well the save said absolutely definitely statement at this morning. Same barring armageddon amid fears of olympic sherman headlines is quite contentious mean. Hindsight is absolutely amazing to have at this moment. In time you may be thinking it would be nice if the delayed it till next job but there's context around that which is difficult because you've got world's in your hands come wilson so the calendar is quite busy so i think at the time they made the right decision. But i think what it comes down to is is individual decisions when you're an athlete and you're on the cusp of competing at the olympics or paralympics and and you've got your place you've got to be able to you know as far as possible. Make that decision. Now i also said. Eighty percents of the village will be vaccinated. Some countries have prioritize vaccinating their olympic and paralympic athlete. Like italy. This happen so this does loads things to take into account. If it was me competing if i was you know that position i would want to go because you don't know how many games you've got the chance of being outs and ultimately secret that you've trained for a lot of years for yet you would want to know that it was safe and not just the social distance on the plane village in the transport and the dining hold. There's so much to think about. But if it was me i would want to be. That's the thing isn't it. Thomas never mind what happened in the last year you managed to go to rio postponed or cancelled together. There wasn't another one until two thousand twenty four for a lot of people that mean that possibly even the one and only shopping going to olympic games would allude them. Because you know you'll you'll physical peak can be quite honestly it depends on the sport. Yeah absolutely and i feel really passionate when i read these headlines or you know just consulate push it back. You're you're not just you know this isn't any normal line of work. He you've probably sacrifice sacrifice two thirds of my my life to to being an athlete to can in a handful of seasons. If that you know some athletes very short career they have an on it will. It will pulse them by. If these guys don't go ahead and they will never ever have that opportunity to call themselves an olympic athlete. And that does mean something you know to every single athlete out there on what they strive for. It's it's so easy just to kind of ceo counselor or post owners is the right thing to do. And that's what happens on is the right thing to do that. Then then that's what needs to happen but there is so much riding on this for for so many individuals a and tommy. You've you went to. How many went to barcelona atlanta sydney and athens. I did. I did five so so. I did sell to athens. Barosso demonstration races. I competed at four olympics. While says what is the best one as a when you were compete. Oh well boss loaner because we heard you know absolute stadiums. My families that have never been gail was saying is right. I mean. I've competed in front of three people in the dog which is kind of atlanta of one hundred and ten thousand people in the sydney olympic stage in the same night that cathy freeman ran which i prefer absolutely but i don't know whether it's maybe athletics. We're used to compete frontier. Not always that many people it would be amazing to have spectators and everyone and your family but also it's not moment you're on the track your in the race and wrote you you. You want to win the olympics paralympics. So it's it is. It is difficult i think. Actually for athletes the this is their first games. It might be quite different. If it's their second games. James i am it. Sounds i always feel a little bit. Sorry for athletes were london was their first games again. Well economy set the ball pre high here so you know an rio know was was better. I think than we all expected in terms of spectators and support. But it's. It's very hard when i think athletes going to have to make decisions way beyond what they normally would in terms of their friends and family and children and what they've had the vaccination whether they've had covert and this is athletes and making different. No one is known what it's like to have eighteen months with virtually no competition. There is no one in the world. That's got experience and the only people have had the ones were injured. And that's not a real experience because if you're did you can't train so this is unlike anything and i'm sure there's loads of people out there who think the olympics parents might be quite frivolous and it's not the most important thing. I kind of understand that because people are dying and have died from from covert but again the osama sit and complete basically. It's really difficult and also that you said it would be nice if it was practices for spectators but not having having happened. A toll is better than been from your cancer. I because i said it would ask you tiny. So you've got eleven gold. Paralympic full civil. Where'd you keep them in iraq. Well just like yeah. If you came to my house you wouldn't play or had been an athlete. I'm not anymore. Malcolm massively important and they're really really important to my mum me race was the thing that i wanted to be devastated if i lost them but the your day today basis talking. Go hard to expect. No i don't like that makes sense. And what about you how. How many gold medals are you gonna come back with this. I'm only racing in one one ratio. Twenty come this far enough me. But i don't know i was sick Five years ago. And that was kind of a breakthrough rice may and so. I'm going to do my best to finish higher than that in many places higher than that so i'll is not going to be easy well. Best of luck tom. We wish lots of luck so that you can come back and with your mental and then chuck it in iraq under the stairs like a best of luck is taking all being well fingers crossed in. Yeah he's olympic walker heading to tokyo this summer. Also about bonus tiny thompson to and we will always be big more as in when we hear about what bail may not happen in terms of the games are going ahead in tokyo this summer. Well that's it for this episode of red. Vox if you've enjoyed it don't forget. Subscribe wherever you get your us for. Maybe even leave us ratings. It helps with the mumbo jumbo charts. We release an episode every day. Monday to thursday featuring the best bits of my times radio show. You can see the whole thing. Monday to thursday. Ten to one is available on online via smart speaker own times radio app. Have you want to read more about all the stories. We've been discussing then go to times dot radio ford slash subscribe look. 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215: Breaking the Waters by Donyae Coles

NIGHTLIGHT: A Horror Fiction Podcast

35:18 min | 2 years ago

215: Breaking the Waters by Donyae Coles

"I I'm Tony, Thompson Creator and executive producer of night light, a horror podcast, featuring creepy tales from black riders all over the world. Before. We get to our story today. Just a reminder that all episodes are brought to you by the Night Light Legion special. Thanks to our newest patron. Mani thanks so much for joining us and a very special. Thanks to Schaefer, who decided to support night light at our top tier. Shaffer gets a free t shirt and our eternal gratitude again nightline is one hundred percent listener supported, so we need your help bringing you. New episodes just go to patriotic dot com slash nightlife pod to join the night light. Light Legion and get a shout out on the podcast earlier. This year I was a guest editor for pseudo pods artists rising when I read the story I loved it and wanted to select it then and after talking, we all agreed that it would be perfect for Souda pod, six hundred and sixty six episode, so we're releasing this episode concurrently. Would Ceuta Pot. Make sure you check out Suda pod at pseudo pod, dot, com, or you can search for Souda pod on Apple podcasts or your platform of choice. Now sit back. Turn out the lights and enjoy breaking the waters by Donya College's narrated by Sharia Stewart. quit content warning. This story contains depictions of sexual assault. If that's not something that you want to hear, you'll probably skip this episode. Buzi is what her mother called her. Only her mother ever she stood on the train platform, the air daggers of ice against her, cutting through her clothes, leaving her skin, raw and frozen Buzi. The man called a hint of pleasure curling on the end of her name. She looked up, because only her mother used that secret name and the man with no face, said it just right. Just like her mother. The man with no face wore suits, brilliant, white with a grey tie and black shoes that slipped and disappeared into inky pools of shadow from time to time she stared at him, as he approached his step, sounding hollow and too loud, blocking out the howling wind. It's so nice to finally meet you. He said reaching out his hand. Take Hers. She gave it without hesitation. He called her as her mother had called her. She said you would be here. She said to call you that WHO Buzi asked pushing back heavy dark curls of hair that the wind had snatched from beneath her hood. He smiled six-mile. Buti couldn't see it, but she knew by the sound of his voice. How his lips curled your mother. She was very helpful. It's a shame she couldn't be used for the program to Ole. Shaking his head, mimicking regret, squeezing her hand, before releasing it, and to did, she added wiping the gloved palm on her hands through the thick knit, his touch lingered crawling on her skin. The man with no face shrugged a technicality. If she had been younger, we could a worked around it then we would have had to. But you're enough your perfect Buzi. You were born for this. He smelled like danger ascent that echoed in the lizard part of her the part of her that letter see him at all a man with no face. Who should not be there? Who should not be anywhere at all the same part of her? That told her to stay still not to run now Buzi. We've been watching you digging through your trash. This is the perfect time the perfect time with the perfect girl. This is our proposition. You let us impregnate you. Use Your womb and Shrek your dreams before the things sinks its tentacles into. You get rid of it. Everything will be taken care of you. Just have to open your legs. You can do that, can't you? Buzi his voice sounded like honey, thick and sweep, but under it the sound of buzzing the reminder of the bees that made it. They're staying the thing. The baby she asked the man with no face, rocked his head back and forth thinking. It won't really be a baby, not really, but we can call it that if you would like if that makes it easier. She shook her head her train approaching. She could feel it rumbling on the tracks. What if I say no, you can say no, but the answer still same. The asking is a formality. Your train is here. The man with no face, said holding his hand out as the train pulled to a stop the door opening in front of her. The warm air spilling inside she stepped in. There were no other options. The man with no face followed her, are you? She started staring at the empty train cars at pulled sluggishly forward. He cut her off. No here is fine. Here is perfect just like you Buzi. Who's going to be the father? She asked the question felt stupid on her lips. Just me just like your father was he said, unbuckle your pants and bend over that seat there, you said my Mama Wasn't part of this. She said dropping her jeans and bending has told it was no use to fight. Did I know we are all part of this you can yourself. It might be better for you if you climax, but it's not necessary. I've never done this before. She said as he positioned himself behind her. His hands were. Were cold on her hips cold and damp as if they'd never felt the sun as if they'd never been dry, it doesn't matter. The act is always the same. And then he was inside of her, he moved and perfect rhythm. The rocking of the train had no effect. She thought about crying, but it wouldn't have done any good. He finished a few moments later released her. She stood and pulled up her pants twice more Buzi tomorrow and the next day. Then we're done. The man with no face explained brightly, are we? She asked well you and I. Yes, but you'll be hearing for my associates justice soon as that seed starts to grow, and if it doesn't, he chuckled. Of course it will, we've been monitoring you your morning, Piss. This is the perfect time you are the perfect womb. She nodded. There was nothing to say. This must stop Buzi tomorrow night same time same place. She could feel him still dripping between her thighs pooling in her underwear like honey. The train slowed and stopped. He left in his pristine white suit, his shoes, stretching into shadow as the car filled with bodies, pressing against each other searching for seats. No one touched her. No one sat next to her. The next night it was the same he came in his white suit, and then in her the third night he completed the process afterward he reached down and at her belly. I feel we've grown so close these last few days. Word of Advice Buzi get rid of it. When its done, you'll get a choice. Kill it. He walked out of the open doors, and the people filed in as they had for the past two nights as if nothing had happened, but it had not to them. Only, she could see the man with no face. She didn't tell anyone there was nothing to tell. Instead Buzi went to work and came home. She ate by herself. And by the time the moon ran its course. She had almost managed to forget about it, but her body had not because the body does not forget, her period didn't come, and she remembered as won miss. Day turned into two than three onto a full week. A knock the door broker trance, and she answered it revealing the man with no face in the hall, same suit same tie, same black shoes that stretched into shadows, the shoes that can walk between worlds. Congratulations, he said in his honey voice, a different man, exactly the same, but completely different I'm pregnant. She said Oh. Yes, we've been monitoring your urine. You're right on schedule. We're really pleased with you. Buzi much better than your mother. He said I thought my mother was too old. She said stepping aside as the man with no face bustled into the apartment. Did I say that oh? No, she didn't work out because she was dead. Age Isn't an issue. We can work around that. He said she nodded and followed behind him, as he walked into the bedroom and turned on the TV. Screen came to life with gray and black. Black snow the sound of static filling the room. It's time for bed. Buzi he said she opened her mouth to protest, but closed it again. It wouldn't do any good. He sat at the foot of the bed and padded the comforter like the other one had patted her belly. What are you going to do? She asked watch your dreams. It's all very boring. You won't feel a thing for how long until the beast comes until she blesses us with the waters of her birth, the milk of her many titty chest, as honey voice was light with praise with worship. Buzi closed her eyes the sound of static filling her ears. Her feet pounded on the ground. She ran the barking of dogs, echoing through the branches that pulled at her clothes, ripping at her skin, demanding blood for passage something ran with their just outside of her vision, the pounding of her feet matched another sound on the frozen ground, something like horses, but not as many hooves, the sound became louder deafening, blocking out the dogs and shouts from behind her, mingling with the rhythm of her feet from the corner of her is she caught it the thing that ran with her? The beast that Leptin skip through the forest blacker than the sky avoid. Avoid she fell frozen ground, thick roots, meeting world, hard and palms, and knees her to round belly, hovering just above the forest floor, ripping itself to pieces from inside what lay there still inside of her fighting to get out skin, stretched tight over her middle rippled as her body cramped around what was inside what had been put their her body finding itself in the perfect position for what it needed to do, the other the void also stopped it watched among the trees, the branches, and her horns, twisting together becoming one, she was the forest. She was the sky. The baby is coming. The thing whispered in an old language, a language not of her people, not of the men with no faces that stoler, and got the baby on her something ancient that no one spoke, but everyone understood a language from a time before time. Sh- the thing in the forest commanded, as her body demanded the same on all fours, the woman labored while the dogs barked lost in the thick darkness, their calls, a half heard chorus to her labor, while the creature in the forest watched with is like stars. The woman screamed as the baby made its way slowly achingly into the world her I still covered in the waters of its birth, plucked from between its mother's legs, before it had a chance to touch the soil of the world, the beast in the forest place the baby on. On her own breast before turning away, leaving the woman, her chest, heaving, as she waited the mess of birth cooling on her thighs, she was plucked by the night, carried by many hands, many unseen things to the river, where they plunged her into its Colt depths, pulling her against. It's freezing currents to the other side. The birth washed from her. As if it had never been, the sound of the dogs faded and disappeared replaced by the running river. The space they would not cross could not cross the price of her safe passage paid. Buzi woke the morning light on the walls. The TV still played static, but the man with no face was gone everything in her apartment, the same except in her, she could still feel it growing inside of her, not a baby, not a fetus whatever they had put inside of her, it grew moment by moment inch by inch, stretching its tentacles into her. She could feel it subtle, but they're real. She turned off the TV as she pulled on clothes for work. What else was she supposed to do? She stock through the aisles of the grocery store, aligning cans and perfect symmetry making where she could. After a week, her flat belly became bloated with its passenger after to. To her shirts, no longer fit. She showed the man with no face when he returned, he patted her swollen middle and said don't worry Buzi, soon as she answers are calls. We'll take that thing and go. It will be like we were never here all chin up Buzi. If your mother did it, so can you? You said my mother was too old and too dead for this she said wearily the thing in her womb, sapping her energy, as she crawled into bed. Did I know you're never too old or too dead for this? Now go to sleep. That many did ambitious closer now. He said turning on the TV. The static sounded like waves. It carried her away. She looks at her hands, clasped in front of her. As she walked the people across the street, screaming as she moved closer to the door, they new everyone knew and she could feel. There is on her back, heavy enough to make her bend their voices, following her through the door, and into the waiting room, the words replaying over and over again the clinic was crowded all these girls in their mistakes. Some were older than her women, but still girls because only girls were dumb enough. Enough to get knocked up by accident. Girls like her. The nurses did intake in the waiting room. There were so many waiting girls all waiting with their money in cash, she watched one girl and the nurse. Three crisp bills wanted her pocket. Hers were crumpled. Tens and twenties saved up over the weeks almost too many weeks almost too late to have it done. She wondered if the girl with the Chris. Bills was from town, or she had driven from hours away like her. It didn't. Here there were all the same just girls who made bad choices. She darted her is over the room. Some of their clothes were nicer, but they all had faces and shades of Brown white girls didn't come here. They just had accidents. oops, this was the clinic for bed choices. The nurse took her money her tens and twenties justice. She had with the crisp hundreds she signed the forms, and the nurse led her to the back. It All moved quickly a well oiled machine. The doctor was waiting. They held open her. Her legs and gave her a shot of something no warning for the pain. She cried and begged them to wait, but the Doctors Shush turned, told her it would do no good, no good to cry or wait maybe if she had waited before, she wouldn't be here now. And it was over, and they moved to another room, left her in another chair to wait bleeding. She would have laughed at how alike they were the doctor and the boy who got this baby on her, but it hurt too much to laugh. She turned days as the shadows from the windows mingled with the setting sun. She could see the beast watching her. The branches became her horns the sun. Her is the beasts danced. As she watched, she had watched her when she opened her legs for the boy whose name didn't matter, she would watch her on her next trip here with her crumpled tens and twenties, she would watch her when she couldn't raise the money in time and finally pushed a baby into the world know the girl said through her pain, please. I don't want to come back here. Help me the beast made of shadow and light thought for a moment as the called for her called her by an ancient name, begging for her, the horned one, heard her call, and granted the girls wish blood poured from between the girls legs washing away the future she had seen the beasts kindness done. She disappeared searching for something else to nurse. There would be nothing for her there ever again. busey's belly had grown swollen in huge. The skin so tight looked like it would rip far larger than she should be for three weeks, but it was not a baby that she carried. She could feel it digging. It's claws into her fighting for a way out. It didn't mean to hurt her, but that was its nature, not a baby, just a channel for the man with no face and she just host. They were not people just means to an end. The man with no face, patted her swollen, middle, his suit, blinding white in the half darkness, the glow from the static on the set illuminating her belly, where something pushed against the walls of her wound. Nod Long now Buzi. You've done so well. We are really impressed. If you survive this one, we may even use you again. He said nodding in the half darkness. No, she thought she shuttered in pain as the thing twisted in her womb. She knew how to ask now how to keep it from happening. It's time to go to sleep. You have been much better than your mother your perfect, but then his voice wistful, she was perfect to. Buzi didn't question it. The static turn to waves against her mind, and she drifted down down down no more awake only that deep dark space that wasn't sleep any more than what she carried was a baby, but there was not another word for it. She rolled through dreams that were not dreams tumbling from one memory to the next pain, chasing her like howling that our heels she bore witness to the dark history of her the beast, the goddess, and all the poor worshipper sacrifice to her cult. Just, like Buzi just like her mother. Boots he's is shot open in the light of the TV. Covered in sweat, her body was bare naked. She felt between her legs. Her fingers came back covered in liquid, thick and sticky, but not blood it pulled on her bed. She thrusts her palm's into it in struggled off the bed, her belly was pulsing in pain. The contractions steady, but distant. She pressed her birth covered hands to the. The screen the static replaced by soft waves of river, a dark impassable body. The man with no face needed her because he couldn't pay the price. The price for passage was a birth any birth fully formed or not, the beast saw them all the same forced, or given its own time to begin life, or to end one before it started, that was the only price the beast required. No ferryman, metter, maybe the man with no face is the ferryman she thought numbly as the water rose from the screen, and swallowed her whole splashing over her laboring body, dragging into the world of the beast. The river took her. There were no hands easier only the power of the current that pulled her along from her world into the next one. The beast wouldn't. Wouldn't come to her. And said she drew Buzi to her occurrence slowed, and she washed onto the shore, coughing blackwater, she pulled her heavy body up and looked around the world on the other side, was black and white, mingled with grey shadows, trees grew twisted and tall. They're white. leafless branches bore strange fruit, Pale, and heavy, as they reached into the pitch black sky. Buzi walked to one tree, her body, dripping a trail like a snail, she reached touching the trees, offering the flesh of the fruit, soft and warm, against her fingers, broke, easily dripping thick, milky juice, her feet lead her over the twisted roots of the black and white forest. She could feel movement just outside of what she could see in the fruit, heavy branches, the sound of it coming to her, and chattering barks something. A live and wild and its depths, her body moved forward, following its own path, picking through the trees, namely despite her awkward shape, her body new things that her mind did not, she had only two trusted as she passed through the forest, her belly, dully contracting the skeleton trees ended, as she passed into a clearing, dazzled by the mistress of the forest, before her Buzi saw many things as she witnessed the beast, the goddess in. In the awesome splendor of the beast herself boots, he's mine grabbed and held what shapes and forms it could make sense of in the twisting splendor of the divine great horns adorned her head, she was massive with many heavy breasts over an impossibly swollen belly. Her legs were spread, revealing something that seemed close to boots. He's own sex, red and wet with birth. What could be called? Her face turned to the sky the terrible. Terrible Gash in it like a mouth, open and panting, as she pushed, she moved shifting and squatting on cloven feet, growling and panting, staring at the ground, as her young poured from her its head, dropping, and the rest of its sliding from her still wrapped its sack, a bloody pile, she stepped back delicately her belly, still swollen, her tits, dripping AC- of milk. The sack moved twisting. Is the thing inside pushed against it Buzi stepped. Stepped forward to help, but stopped. Her body knew it was wrong. In this place, the body ruled the thing on the dried gray grasp, pressed against the sides of its prison, and gripping it in its sharp teeth, broke through devouring its birth, swallowing its cord. The thing the beast had birth was many I'd six legged with wet firm mattered from the waters of the womb. It paid no attention to its mother. Her work done. Sat back with her knees up. Her sex exposed still wet and read from the last ready for the next, the creature she had pushed into the world, stood and into the woods that would protect him. Raise him wild. He would meet with his sisters, but it wouldn't matter. Only the beasts could birth in these woods, only the beast, and those aspects of herself that had wandered back paid the price and returned. Buzi called her name the beasts, true name that scratched and it at the back of her mind from some ancient genetic memory. They're looking for you. Buzi says the Deity took her in her eyes, like stars set in the face to like boots zone the man with no face them. They're looking for you. The beast with an ancient name laughed sound shot through with the pain of coming birth close, but not time yet her words with a whisper of dry leaves on the wind. They cannot come. Come here they cannot pay the price. I left a trail Buzi said shaken odd before the goddess, a trail of leaving the water only flows one way you have come to pay all the beasts, said, running her hands over her breasts and sex. You have come to worship my glory with your sacrifice Buzi, nodded as her wound tightened the pain closer time now the. The dance she had started with the man with no face would be complete. Her belly rippled with the coming birth, the thing that was not a baby fighting to get out she squatted, as the goddess had done face, drenched in sweat, her breasts, dripping the pre milk, full of fat, running rivers from her nipples. Her womb contracted on its own. There was only the need. Need to push her body moved of its own volition dropping to all fours, she pushed as her uterus tightened drying to four south the thing they had got on her, she reached between her legs, feeling herself open in stretch, the soft pate of the thing coming through, she had no breath to scream only to labor to bear down to push it from her body. The thing that was not a baby was dropping from her its head, filling her palm, she moved her hand away pushed again her strength, failing then there was a release as it fell from her a wet plop on the dry grass. She fell back her knees up no grace in her movements. She did not dance in pain and joy work not done. The thing's still connected to her by the pulsing. pulsing white cord that led back to the part that fed it housed, it grew it from seed to this thing read and thrashing on the ground she bore down again in birth, the organ that had grown around the thing. It's job done. It sat on the grass. Useless Buzi breathed hard relieved to still be alive. Her purpose served. The things struggled in its sack, not like the one the deity had. Had dropped. She could feel the ancient is on her. As she moved to pick up the thing on the ground. That wasn't a baby. She poked it pressing her nail through the membrane, breaking it in digging in her fingers to reveal its face like her own it let out a cry piercing the world with sound. It's tongue, small and pink in its toothless mouth. She shushed it and pulled the membrane. Membrane back further until its body, a mass of ten tickles had reached for her body, spilled free baby, strong in needy, apt around her arms, as it screamed, and cried for her Buzi, left it to her breast. What else could she do? The thing latched onto her sucking and swallowing great gulps of the liquid that dripped like tears from her nipples. It filled. It's less mouth with her offering cooing softly. Looked up at the beast, the goddess, the greater part of herself, holding the thing that was not a baby, but she realized slowly was hers. Not There's the goddess told her great horned head to the side, and smiled her pleasure, terrible and frightening, the beasts children's slid from the confines of the forest for a closer look at what Buzi held cradled in her arms, the air, smelled of blood, and those milk fed things raised on the tits, soft fruit that hung from the skeleton. Branches of the forest were reminded that they had teeth. The smell pulled their focus back from the wonder of the thing in her arms. It whispered to them. Them that they were hungry between Busey's legs. The mess of the birth waited still attached the nursing baby in her arms. She popped it from her breast. The small creature, complaining she shushed it, rocking it slowly in her arms, as any good mother would, as she shifted it bringing it closer to her mouth to grip the cord between her own, he biting down, she severed from the useless Oregon that lay on the ground. She moved the baby thing to her other breast, still heavy with milk, the beasts young were coming closer, but she had teeth two, she showed them and they still as she scooped up her own placenta and brought. Brought it to her mouth, tearing into the thick vein meat of it, ripping away large chunks, the thing in her arms, sucked on her, pulling at her painlessly, but needy with long tentacles that spilled from our arms, and wrapped around her waist, growing by inches with each pull of its baby mouth breast, she pushed the tentacles away, finding its body in the mass arms and legs nipples over a baby round belly, she smiled, tickling the tiny feet, kissing the small hands, before checking between its legs to find both sets of organs, male and female nestled perfectly. The baby thing was so beautiful that it hurt Buzi to look at them, but. But she couldn't turn her gaze away. She burn their image in her mind. They were almost finished her breasts delivered droplets instead of Gulps not enough for them not for how big they would grow, she was never meant to be enough, and the baby was already huge, barely held in her arms, but grown strong on its mother's Milk Buzi pulled her tit from their hungry mouth, still so hungry they began to cry softly mule into her, as they pulled her trying to bring her back but boots. He's role was done. She should watch them again. Rocking them gently. They clung tighter to the mother creature that Buzi had become embarrassing it. She bent to their ear, and whispered their name to them low and secrets that are only they would hear it only they would know it. The secret name that their mother gave them as her mother had given her no matter what happened no matter what songs people sang in praise and terror of her baby thing they would also know this name, and she would only call them by it a gift, the only gift they could keep from her, she handed her creation to the greater part of herself, her baby, that was not a baby who was got on her by the man with no face, and berthed in a forest of milk, fed things with teeth was accepted by the deity before. The greater part of herself place the baby thing on her own giant breast, and it began to nurse Buzi New in the way that mothers know that her baby would grow and become great. She knew in the way that sacrifices know that she had helped usher in a new age that the baby thing would not be a baby much longer they will make with my sons and daughters. The beasts spoke her voice like a whisper deep in Boot sees mind. They will create an army. She said as she shifted to birth the next mutt stronger than these pitiful ones, this one will grow and dill. It can swallow stars. Buzi knotted realizing that the words were meant to comfort her, but she had nothing left in her to comfort. There had been so much taken her purpose served. The beasts had forgotten her. Her one small kindness paid leaving her to the children that lived in the forest. Boots he's body moved before her brain. Still half lost in the fog of birthing could respond run her feet, screamed as they moved, pulling her legs and body along back down the path she came the branches pulled at her, while the creatures slipped between them, snapping at her heels, occasionally, reaching out to grab her arms, but slowing at the last moment. Willing the chase. Chase to last longer, the wet paths she had left rose up to meet her, and her feet made slapping sounds as the water became deeper, it spilled over her feet, and ankles, swallowing her shins, and then knees, touching that source space ahead given way to her sacrifice, until finally it pulled her hips, dragging her under pulling her back to the world she came from. The? Paramedics were called by her neighbors. They found her drenched in sweat, tangled in her bed linens. Her sheets soaked in blood that stretched out making a pattern of branches in the FOLTZ. Her throat was ruined by the time they arrived later at the hospital when they. Why she had been screaming, she said only that she was not. I was singing them alibi. She said and now look again. Thanks again to our patrons for supporting this podcast because of your support listeners around the world. Get the stories in their ears every other week. If you want new stories every week, the only way for that to happen for you to join the Night Light Legion by going to patriotdepot dot com slash nightlife. And supporting this podcast, you can also make a donation via pay pal at pay, pal dot me, slash nightline podcast. If you're unable to support US financially, word of mouth is the next best way to help. Give us a shout on online on twitter or Instagram at night, light pod, or like us on facebook at night. Light pod reviews are also a huge help, so be sure to leave a few kind words on your podcast platform of choice. Audio production for this episode by Me Tanya Thompson? You can find me online at Miss Defying or at Tanya Thompson Dot Com. And to thank you for listening until the very end. We have a creepy fact for you. Women who have been pregnant are technically cameras. Mayor is in the medical sense contain another set of DNA within their bodies, and the name comes from the Greek mythological creature. Women who have been pregnant have both their own DNA and the DNA of their children in their bodies indefinitely. Women who have had multiple pregnancies can also pass their DNA, and the DNA of their previous children onto their subsequent children, women who have had multiple pregnancies can also pass their DNA and the DNA of previous children onto their subsequent children during pregnancy, as much as ten percent of a woman's DNA is four and from her child, and although a dropped significantly after the fetus is no longer part of her body. Much of DNA still remains. Another human with communism organ transplant recipients. So remember, thank your mother's. They literally hold a piece of you in their bodies. We'll see you next time.

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208: Double Episode! D is for Dancing + Roadside Assistance

NIGHTLIGHT: A Horror Fiction Podcast

34:23 min | 2 years ago

208: Double Episode! D is for Dancing + Roadside Assistance

"I'm Tony Thompson creator, and executive producer of night, light a horror podcast, featuring creepy tales from black riders all over the world this week. We have to episodes for you. First up is a flash fiction story that reminds me so much of a creepy experience for my childhood. I knew we had to have it on the show. It's such an authentic tail, and I couldn't wait to share it with you, all and make sure you stay tuned for a full length story coming up after that you don't wanna miss that tale of murder and mayhem, but before we get to our stories, I wanna thank our patrons night light is funded one hundred percent by our listeners, and it would not exist without your support. You can join the night light legion by going to patriot dot com slash night light pod. Or you can make a one time donation on pay pal. Going to pay pow dot me slash nightlife podcast. Thanks to those of you who left reviews or talked about us to your friends online and. Offline we were featured in the Austin, chronicle and book riot, as must listen to podcasts. So thank you for helping us spread the word now, sit back turn out the lights and enjoy d is for dancing by Ricky rivers junior narrated by sharia Stewart. Mom, and I were sitting in a living, I was on the floor. And she was in her chair looking out the window hot, summertime. In the cicadas were singing. It was peaceful the kind of peace. You don't appreciate until you're older. At some point mom spoke to herself. She said wonder where he's going. I left my toys behind and join her at the window. There was a man walking on the dirt road towards the house. He wasn't closed but recognizable enough to see a Bill without facial features. Who's that mama? I said, that's Mr. Mason. She said I remembered him. He was always a nice man, Mr. Mason, USA, mom outside with vegetables, mama. Always said he has strong back and kind is I didn't understand why he had stopped coming around. He and mama seem to get along well enough. I liked him too. He used to sing little songs while he worked I went to the front door to greet him. But mom. Stop me. Don't you move said, mama? I stopped my hand was maybe an inch from the doorknob. I was dressed. I had on shoes. So what was wrong? Strange said, mama. How very strange she was talking to herself again with at serious. Look on her face. Meanwhile, Mr Mason was getting closer and closer to the house. I went back to her. And then once again, looked outside. Mr. Mason was dancing now, a funny kind of dance back and forth in our direction saunter like in smooth. He seemed so light on his feet. The dance made me smile I wanted to join him. He looked like he was having so much fun. Mama. I said, can I dance with him, mama and say anything she kept her eyes on her nostrils flared and sweat trickle down neck, Mr. Mason continued to dance and move and silent rhythm towards the house. His dark suit moving in the breeze. His white. Shirt bright in the sun. They remind me of marionette. He was always thin as one very strange indeed said, mama, what's so strange. I asked Mr. Mason had almost reached our front porch when mama stood up and went to the front door. She snatched it opens in the doorway go back. She yelled, we don't want any trouble. I stood there staring at her. She was always so nice to him before. And he was always so nice to the both of us. So why was she yelling at him? Now she only L when she was angry. And she couldn't be angry with him. He hadn't been around a while I thought to myself, maybe that's why she's mad because he stopped coming around still she continued, Mr. Mason. You are not welcome here. Her voice was shaky. She didn't sound like herself at scared me. Mr. Mason didn't deserve to be screened at regardless. Slowly, but surely I saw him stuff turn and dance away from us. Now he moved in a kind of sad manner. I felt bad for him mama. I said that was rude. She didn't say anything. She just shut the door back to her chair, and sat back down. She wiped her sweat, and kept her is outside at some point. She began to hummed herself, an old gospel soul, she had always done this when she got upset, she said a calmed nerves, I wanted to dance with them. I said, but mom, just homed her is remaining outside. It was like she wasn't there. Finally, I said, I never knew Mr. Mason ca dance light, that momma looked at me and laughed. Oh, he was always a good dancer, a good singer, too. I said, yeah. Said mama, I would let you go out there, too. He was still alive. I felt a funny feeling inside my heart was bouncing around my stomach. I swear. This Kate as went quiet and hidden inside me. I stood there looking at mama, then asked if I could go on the porch my head felt heavy she said, yes, but not to follow him. I went out I didn't follow him. But my eyes did Mr. Mason was like midnight in broad daylight a man shaped dot becoming smaller, and smaller dancing all the way back to his grave. I don't know about you all, but I love a good ghost story now for our second story, which tells us why we should never take deserted road to work when it's still dark out and why we should always listen to our mothers sit back. Keep those lights off and enjoy roadside assistance by Christopher Brown. Narrated by Josh Carter. Sergio is going to be pissed that was the first thought Henry had as he squatted down to investigate the cause of his suddenly blown out tire. He fishing his pocket for his phone pressed, the flesh flashlight feature and shine the light on the flat tire. News, the middle of winter. So the sky was pitch, black rather than the Bruce blue of summer skies fog, swirled around his ankles, in Henry's breath coalesced in front of his face. He tightened his scarf around his face wishing he'd listen to his mom, you're gonna catch a cold she'd said stirring, a wooden spoon into the pot of grits. She was making put on a damn jacket. I don't need a jacket, Ma Henry replied. Besides Sergio says the cold air is good for me. His mall had rolled her eyes. The only black boy, I know working on a farm, you should be with me at the hospital. Henry had shot his mom grin animals are much better than people my, you know, that he snatched, his toast from the toaster kiss on the cheek and headed out the door. One moment, he was coasting along the mountainside to get to Sergio's fire and the next he was pulled over to the side of the road. Henry didn't see thing, maybe I hit a nail or something he showed the flashlight all along the stretch of road, but saw nothing out of the ordinary just gravel Henry cust in round the back of the car last he checked. There's a spare tire in the trunk. He popped open the trunk but all that there were retrenched Bex full of clothes, he had meant to donate months ago, DM it, he said he swiped, open. His phone in winter. His call list, he selected Sergio's name and pressed the phone to his ear. Unfortunately, the phone went straight to voicemail, Henry kick. The flat tire angrily. He didn't have the money for it toe. He looked out over the guardrail below he could just make out the faintest glimmer of glass and metal then Acropolis of cars, always frightened, whenever he saw he was one of the many reasons my hated that he had to go to the top of the mountain to get to work worse that he had to drive up the mountain at the darkest time in the morning. Just in a pair of blue halogen lights slash through the darkness the car. They belong to coming down the mountain fast not enough for Henry to draw the driver's attention but enough that Henry pressed himself, as close as he dared against the guardrail. He wondered briefly, whether this income car would join the pile of smashed automobiles far beneath him the guy had to be going sixty miles an hour at least can refigure the driver must have been from out of town. Or maybe the guy was just reckless. Henry looked again through his phone dropping down to Lawrence number. She wouldn't be up just yet. He was only four thirty but he knew she had her internship today at the radio station. Maybe I should call monster. He thought not wanting to bother his best friend, so early in the day you've gotten her out of plenty of scrapes voice at the back of his head reminded him. It's okay to call her. Reluctantly. With desperation crawling up throat, he selected her name, it ring once twice three times before she answered crackly hin. She started exhaustedly it is four thirty two. A M this better be important. I hate that nickname. Henry said thus my reason for constantly reminding you of it Lauren replied, he heard shuffling noise over the phone. She must have been shifting to sit upright because voice sounded clearer when she asked what's wrong got a flat tire. Henry said, Sergio's phone is off, and I need to lift a Cy I love to help you out in, but you know, I have my internship today. I get to interview someone on the actual radio. Besides I told you that working all the way up. The mountain was a bad idea, Henry rolled his eyes but couldn't help but smile good for you. Lord. Monot. You just try driving up the mountain. It may be flat. But you can still drive on it, right. Thanks lauren. Good luck today. Later, dude, she ended the call Henry slammed his trunk closed checked his tire once more and got into his car. He let out nervous breath as he shifted the car into drive and eased up the mountain path. It was slow going any hated how the rubber tire sounded against the gravelly road. Henry's car was inching up the road when it suddenly shuttered halting its upward momentum without warning. The car shot backwards. Violently. He tried to steer clear if the guardrail, he did not want to be one of the victims of the graveyard when his car veered towards the other side of the road. Henry threw on the emergency brake the move so said that his car swerved into the mountain itself, and he bucked forward in his seat. Head smashing into the steering wheel. Oh, he moaned? He went to his head and his fingers came away. Bloody. He strained to keep his eyes open. Mom always said that head injuries were dangerous, and then he should try and stay awake. If possible as is drifted closed, he saw another vehicle approaching faintly her door, slamming and someone in baseball cap sprinting towards him and his car, then blackness took him. The radio is playing country music any heard the sound of hand drumming against the steering wheel euro awake in unfamiliar voice said wasn't thinking you'd ever open your ass. Henry started away shrinking back against the passenger door who the hell are you? He asked taking in surroundings. He was in the cab of a huge truck demand next to him was dressed in faded blue jeans and a flannel. He had a dodgers cap on its head beat up and a little worn names Jeb. So you're crashes. I was coming down the mountain bandaged. Yup. But be careful with that head injury Jeb nodded his direction at shake your hand, but I'm a little busy at the moment both hands on the wheel and all Jeb laughed, it sounded raspy Mckee didn't laugh often in removed his hand to touch, his forehead gingerly feeling along the bandages there. Thanks. He said, I'm Henry. Where are you taking me? I'm a mechanic, Jeb said like that explained why Henry was in his truck, and coasting down the mountain try to open up your phone and call someone for you? But it's password protected, never did like these fancy new cell phones. I prefer flip phones. Maceo f-. Henry patted his pockets making sure his phone was still on it you mind. If I call a couple of people he waved the phone at Jeb. Go right ahead. Trucker said turning the volume down on the radio. Henry smiled thankfully, and dialed Sergio, the phone went straight to voicemail again. He hoped. The farmer was all right, next. He died Lauren, but her phone was off to he left a voicemail for her. Explain the situation in wish. Her luck with the interview he wouldn't dial Ma she was probably at the hospital by now melons answering their phones today. Apparently Henry said you could try again when we get to mash shop that's one hell of a flat tire. You got there in your back. Bumper is also messed up along with the side of your car, Henry pas, the use of the childhood nickname, but ignored it he wasn't going to complain to the man that saved him. He looked back to see the extent of the damage, but it's view is obscured by trash bags that blue faintly in the wind. The sunlight, reflected off something pale in bleached white. What's in the bags? He asked trying to slow the sudden quickness of his heart whatever he had seen reminded him of the stark whiteness of bones. Jeb glanced into the rear view mirror dead deer. He explained I make jerky sell at the farmer's market on the weekends. Bring in a little extra money and people really enjoy them without asking jet popped open. The glove compartment, Henry took note of the scars along the truckers hands. Jeb reached into the glove compartment and pulled out a baggie of what Henry assumed was. Dear jerky. This one is Honey flavored Jeb said, spilling, the banks contents into Henry slap go on Trask them, not wanting to offend the man, Henry took a piece and bit into it. It was a little tough, but it was pretty good. Not bad. He told you, he didn't touch the rest of the jerky, Jeb kept the radio low and the silence seem to be building up in the cab of the truck, Henry tried to busy himself by looking out the window trying to calm the. Bundle of nerves in his stomach and ignore. The fact that his hands were starting to get sweaty apprehension curdled in his gut. He grabbed his phone and shot a text to Ma got into a bit of an accident. I'm a little banged up, but the car is worse off than I am. He watched the message sent waited a few moments for reply when there was none Henry shoved his phone into his pocket. The silence was growing and comfortable finally Henri asked Where'd you learn to bandage head injuries brief stint in medical school. Jeb replied, my mom's a nurse. Henry said glad to find themselves on common ground at last. She wants me to get a job at the hospital, but I majored in animal husbandry, and I work on far. Wait did he say brief stint he cheated to glance at the old trucker address out to pursue a baseball career wanted to get to the big leagues? Jeb doffed his dodgers cap at Henry figured I can help this. Sorry, lot out, he explained ever since they got drafted the Los Ange. They've been garbage absolute garbage he punctuated the word absolute angrily. You like baseball hin. Not really Henry replied, slowly rubbing his hands apprehensively on jeans. I think it's boring. Play any sports jabs hands had stopped drumming against the wheel. And now they were tight and turning white knuckled know Henry said, Jeb scratch, the wisp of scraggly beard along his chin shame. Henry said nothing, you know, he began I don't need you to fix my car. I appreciate it. But if you could just drop me off at the hospital. Oh, it's not a problem hand Jeb assured him besides we're here. Oh, Henry looked at the lot jabs autoshop was painted, a startling white and had the words jabs auto restoration in bright yellow letters across the top. There were few broken down cars in the lot and a large shed that had a padlock on it. Nice place said Henry noncommittally, the mind help me with those trash bags in the back hand, I wanna get him in the freezer. So the carcass don't go bad. J was already getting out of the car and heading around the back to retrieve one of the bags. Henry move to follow when he opened the door of the cab his vision tunnel and he almost vomited. He recalled Ma saying something about head injuries and vertigo. He waited for the dizzy spell to pass before climbing out of the truck. Henry went around the back and went to grab trash back. Heavier than they look, Jeb warned be careful you're here, he had two bags slung over his back. Jeb didn't look that strong. In fact, Henry thought the man was on the leaner side, but he was more muscular than Henry assumed Henry grabbed a bag and hefted it over his shoulder. Something hard stabbed him in the back and cursed I got a few bucks in there, too. I used the Antlers Stu Jeb said hearing him swear. Cool Henry said they headed towards the padlock shed jed produced a key from his pocket and unlocked the door. He pushed it open and headed inside the first thing. Henry notice was the large table pushed up against the wall. There were large red stains, all over it above the table hanging from the wall was an array of gleaming, glinting blades. They looked like surgical tools. Henry glimpse, two, serrated saw, and a few machetes one of which still had old blood on the blade at the far end of the shed was a freezer this where you make the deer jerky. Henry asked. Incredulous Jeb said setting down his trash bags by the table. I'm usually at the shop anyway. So I do this while I wait for customers. Anyway, just put these bags in the freezer. Okay. I'll look at your car and see what I can do. Thanks Henry said. And then I thought occurred to wait how much do I? Oh, you Jeb waved dismissing Henry's question this one is on the house. In just make sure you tell friends about me, Henry smiled, and nodded as the old trucker left the shed his phone buzzed in his pocket. He fished it out. And so he had a message from his Ma are you ok? I can leave work now. And come get you Henry's fingers, flew across the onscreen. Keyboard. Someone picked me up a good Samaritan. He's a mechanic. He's gonna help me fix up the car. How much not he's doing it for free. Nothing is free hin. You know that be careful love you love. You till Henry return the phone to his pocket and hefted up one of the bags. He proceeded to the freezer. It took him a bit to open the freezer itself. The door was heavy and he had to strain harder than what he deemed necessary to budge the door. Yes. Jeb wants to make sure the deer really being preserved properly some sort of vintage Asian system was breeding cold air into the freezer and all the walls were lined with bags. Henry set the back down and went to grab the other bags. The one from before kept poking him in the side, as he dragged it along the floor fed up he opened up the bag and froze. He was looking down at a long pale arm with gleaming. Red fingernails. He staggered away from the bag with the cry of alarm, maybe his head injury was playing tricks on him. Maybe he did need to get to the hospital. He could just. Ask Jeb dropped off, Henry shook his head trying to clear his medal dots. I'm just seeing things Henry told himself did say that head injuries can lead seeing things. That's all this is. But when he looked into the trash bag again, severed arm was still there cleanly cut with surgical precision. Henry thought back to his conversation with Jeb in the car, pre stint medical school. I got a few bucks in there to use the Antlers in stews. I make jerky, Henry, Phil warm all over like he just taken a shot of whiskey his apprehension, return full force and his poems were slick with nervous. Sweat bile rose up in his throat like a damn threatening to burst and he vomited coughing. And sputtering until he was dry, heaving, every ragged breath tore out of him burning his throat. He had to get out had to get away without Jeb being suspicious. He heard the door to the show. Ed swing open her jibs footfalls, as his heavy boots tapped against the floor and your tires replace. So the cars drivable, but he stopped short, most of notice the open bag or smell, the stench of sick, whatever it was. It didn't matter. Dammit. Hin. Jeb said softly, the nickname sounded odd to Henry's ears now you weren't supposed to see that. There was a metallic rasping sound and Henry guests, the Jeb had just taken one of those blood covered knives down from the wall. He couldn't not face. Jeb when Henry turned the old mechanic had his sleeves pulled up there. Even more scars all along his arm Jeb noticed him staring. I've been killing for years in your just one long list, the machete, Jeb held glinted in the light there still blood on the blade and Henry wonder just how fresh that blood was Henry didn't know which startled him or the loss of jobs accent, or his dark, confession, he wished he'd listened to his Ma nothing is free. Hin. He should've just called her should have taken that job in the hospital. He should have done a lot of things for a moment. Henry saw flash if something in jabs is regret despair. He couldn't recognize the look. But Jeb lowered his dodgers cap over his eyes and the moment passed, you don't have to do this Henry rasp voice still horse from vomiting, Jeb was already coming forward and Henry backpedalled he tripped over the bag of body parts and almost hate his head again. But caught himself he rolled out of the way in time to avoid the ark of jabs blade. It's sliced open one of the mini trash bags and spare body parts disgorge themselves, a leg a hand in I Henry wanted to throw up again. But he's swallowed the bile that was threatening to worm its way up out of his Asaf against Jeb was backing him further into the freezer if he wanted he could have left Henry to freeze, it would have been simpler choice. The easier choice. Henry peered over Jeb shoulder, the freezer, wasn't that large, and there was still the gleaming assortment of sharp objects hanging above jabs, but your table he cheated to glance at Jeb the trucker was old. Yes. But something about the way he moved belied strength in Jill be that did not match up with his elderly appearance but Henry had been bailing hay and other laborious tasks for Sergio for years now, he may not have been as fast as jet, but he was certainly stronger Jeb came up at him with the bloody knife again and Henry dodged out of the way he show the old trucker aside. Bolted out of the freezer. He tried to slam the freezer door close, but Joe was too fast already charging toward the door faster than Henry would've thought instead, he made a mad dash towards the butchering table. Snatch one of the other machetes off the wall, despite its smallness the blade felt heavy in his hand felt awkward Clinton. His large fist when Jeb emerged from the freezer, his eyebrows knitted together, surprise. I didn't take you for the type in the type Henry's brain worked furiously how many others had fought and died here. How many had fought and lived Henry wasn't sure? He wanted to know the answer, and Jeb was advancing too quickly for his liking this time. Henry didn't run not immediately. He clinched his eyes. Shut swinging blindly at the old trucker. He heard Jeb swear as to bleed snagged on something, and the loud rip of clothing, as he drew the machete back if you're going to swing it someone Jeb said, glancing in his now, ripped flannel make sure you kill them, Jeb moved fast. Henry backed away thrusting the machete out at the same time, there was a gasp, no a choke, thought, Henry, and for the third time that day he had to swallow the acid, and sick that had risen up in his throat the hilt of the machete was protruding from jabs gut. It did not belong there in the way that the bodies in the free. Did not belong there. Jeb coughed up blood stained his teeth and tongue making the old trucker look, even more monstrous I. Guess you were. That's the coughing turned into hacking and blood spotted the floor and splashed Henry shoes, Henry stepped back realizing he was the only thing keeping Jeb from crashing to the floor Jeb pitched forward didn't bother to catch himself. Henry wasn't sure if he had the strength to do. So the machete buried itself further into Jeb stomach, and Henry could see the blade was jutting from his back went with fresh blood Henry was rooted to the spot. He knew he style. Nine one one he knew he should text Lauren or call Ma let them know he was. All right. He should call Sergio, the man had been in his fair share of trouble, but he couldn't move. Couldn't even will his fingers to reach force phone. He just watched fascinated as Jeb bled out on the floor ruining his shoes. Turning the cuffs of his long genes from faded blue to a bright red move here? Move move move. He headed towards the shed door throwing a single glance back at Jeb. The trucker was unmoving lying in a pool of his own congealing blood. He wasn't going anywhere. The air was wintery and biting he closed the door behind him and made his way toward the three garage doors. He and jet had passed on the way in his car was in the garage to the far left the remaining three tires were slashed Jeb was not going to help him after all by bother and hitching the car, Henry wondered, did you want him to find those bodies. And Furthermore to end Jeb cereal murdering spree. Does it even matter? I've been killing for years head. You're just one in a long list, Henry shook his head free of those thoughts and approach Jeb truck. The truck was off, but the key was still in the ignition and it was warm to the touch he could leave. He should leave. His conscience was telling him different Henry turned back to the shed. He couldn't leave without doing something about jabs body. Henry fished his phone from his pocket, but his hand froze in front of the dial. But you're the only black boy, I know working on a fire MAs voiced drifted through his head. Well he'd seen it hadn't. He he'd watched the news, he'd read all the horror stories situations like this didn't turn out, well for men like him. No one would suspect, Jeb of being the killer in this particular encounter, all fingers would point to Henry, and none would be the wiser for it. He slipped the phone back into his pocket. He pushed the door to the shadow open. Gingerly. As if he were afraid, Jeb would reawaken, if he made too much noise. This wasn't like the movies were the notorious villain would suddenly get up and vanish, Henry kept telling himself that as he headed into the shed jabs body remained, the blood around him had completely congealed. The freezer was still standing wide open the cold air emanating from it cost the temperature of the shed to drop slightly enough to give Henry goosebumps, Henry role, jabs body over being careful not to touch the blade that was lodged in the truckers, gut he was the price he hadn't vomited, yet considering all the blood on his shoes he glanced at the freezer once more as he picked Jeb up by the armpits and dragged him toward the door. He set jabs body down searched the old truckers pocket and came up with an old flip phone. He could have sworn. He saw the rise and fall of jabs Jess, but he figured his mind had to have been playing tricks on him. The drive was surreal. Henry had propped Jeb up in the passenger seat in buckled him in currently jabs. Head was turned to the right. The Michetti was still lodged in his gut and blood stained shirt, he was driving to the site of the accident. It seemed like forever ago when he checked the clock. It read five twenty five suddenly, Jeb, coughed, and been wheezed, pulling in great lung full of air, Henry nearly pulled the truck over right then and there, but he only tightened his hands on the wheel and continued driving, Jeb laughed at Henry, startled, reaction, and then asked where are we going? Henry said nothing kept driving every so often, he glanced to make sure that Jeb wasn't going to lunge across the small distance, between them and snap. His neck, Jeb leaned back in the seat, but Henry noticed kept his right hand near the edge of his wound fingers touching the hilt as gingerly as possible. After a few moments, Henry slowed the truck to a stop when he turned to look at Jeb. The truckers is were closed and his hands were in his lap. Well away from the machete protruding from his stomach, the morning air was brisk and biting for the fourth time that day, Hillary wished he had listened to his Ma he headed around to Jeb side of the car, intending, to drag him out of the passenger side of the truck and pull them around to the driver's side. However, when he reached the other side of the vehicle. Jeff had unsuccessfully attempted to wrench the machete free from where it was lodged in his stomach, Henry noticed a thin sheen of sweat on Jeff's face. I wouldn't risk it. Henry warned the blood loss would kill you faster than you could slice me with that thing for a moment. Job looked around tried to register where they were Henry was chewing, his lip furiously mind worrying attempting to figure out the scenario he now, found himself in jabs hands were shaking my newly as if he were trying to ignore the mess of blood and gore running down his shirt and pants this seems like. A fitting end said Jeb, it last looking at of the windshield and realizing where Henry had taken him Henry froze, at that he wasn't sure what he was supposed to say, wasn't sure if he should say anything at all Henry bit, his tongue decided then and they're not to answer let Jeb half last word, let him think he had one Jeb lunched forward with his grievous wounds. And the way he was positioned in the seat, Jeb wasn't fast enough to attack Henry punch, Jeb in the mouth, the truckers head whip to the side and jets slumped against the passenger seat. Henry, remove the machete from jed stomach and tossed it on the floor. Then grabbed Jeb and slung him over his shoulder. It was like bailing. Hey, if that haywar lean muscled, trucker covered in blood and gore and sick, he set Jeb down in the driver's seat, and remove the laces on his boots. He tied jabs foot down to the gas pedal tight as he could and then adjusted his body, so that it looked like Jeb was actually driving. He placed the pickup truck and drive and watched as a truck exceleron. Did slammed through the guardrail and tumbled down to join the rest of the poor souls, who lost their lives taking the curvaceous mountain roads too fast? He didn't hear crash didn't hear the sound of metal crunching against sharp rocks, nor heard the rumble of possible. Gas explosion jabs was a quiet death. The moon sized through the sky, the only witness to Henry's gruesome, deed, covered in blood and sick. Henry started home his gorge didn't rise Ma was waiting for him to come home. Thanks again, to our patrons for supporting this podcast without the night, light, legion, this podcast would not exist because of your support listeners around the world. Get creepy stories and their ears on a regular basis. Remember, you can join the night light legion for as little as one dollar per month by going to patriarch dot com slash nightlife pod. Or you can make a one time donation by going to pay pal dot me slash night. Light podcast audio production for dis for dancing is by Jin zinc audio production for roadside assistance by Tanya, Thompson, and to thank you for listening until the very end. We have a creepy fact for you. So there's this German guy named Arman Miwa, which I'm probably saying incorrectly, but he solicited people to eat their bodies. So basically, he asked people, hey, can I take body part from you and eat it? And someone actually. Volunteered to allow them to do this. So this guy volunteers to allow him to eat his penis, and the guy almost dies from blood loss, but the guy didn't consent to being killed he only consented to having his penis eaten, but since he was bleeding, really badly almost dying this guy Armand decided that he was just going to kill him anyway. And so he strung this guy up and decided that he was going to eat his entire body. Luckily about a year and a half later someone reported this guy to the police because he was soliciting more victims online. So the police come over, and they search his home, they found videotape and body parts, and he has now been convicted and has become a vegetarian. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week. Another.

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