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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 11 with Aaron Jackson

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 11 with Aaron Jackson

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off. I can sell you the our ASE. I everybody in welcome to the RHA. Bnb for episode eleven of survivor winners at war. We are here to talk about Tony. Tony Tony and a few other people to it was a jam packed. Tony filled episode. That led to one of the biggest outcomes through C. And not only the season but I would say of recent memory on survivor. Let me bring in this superstar pain to break it all down. I of course Liana. Boris WHO TONY IS NOT SPLITTING UP. Anytime Soon Liana. How're you doing? I'm good. I'm hoping to Nabi extorted on this podcast but you never know you gotta always read to the bottom of the notes extorted feels weird as like a past tense verb in one be extorted. I was I was extortion. Is now pushing. Feels better like portioned. But I feel like that's not the way that verbs work so we're just inventing an entirely new language which makes sense considering that we are bringing on a very special guest. This week is not only an actor. A comedian and author as well. He knows his way around words specifically most recently with his recent release of his book. The astonishing life of August march a novel so happy to welcome Aaron Jackson to the. Bnb How you doing. Hello thank you for having me here. I'm doing well so before we get into anything. That's a jump the gun too much but I'm sure there are a lot of people that that would love to know who you are as a person and also as a survivor fan as well at the sort of see. What's your story as you walk through the hallowed halls of this? Bnb that has been quite empty for some time recent circumstances. Yeah Well Mike's beautiful introduction was correct. I am a comedian and an actor and also an author. And so yeah. What else is there to me? Those are sort of my. My moniker is yeah I do. I do stand up. I came up in that Improv scene in New York City where I still live and I was on a a comedy. Central show called the opposition with Jordan boroughs a correspondent on that show and then I also wrote a book and my survivor. Life is that I've watched every season of this forty season. Long show since it aired. I've always really dug it so here. We are now that you say that out loud. I feel so much more proud of myself. I'm like yeah have already these like we build the opposite. I'll say my friend. Amy Howard is how I got injured so I just watch it sort of like ashamed cocoon alone and all that. I talked to about where my ninety one year old grandmother But now amy introduced me to other people of like I guess my generation that enjoyed the show. And that's been nice. I'm not completely alone. We exist. We DO EXIST INTRIGUED. Like what were some of the ninety year old grandmas prevailing opinions about survivor conversing with her every single season. And she's been watching since I've probably since Australia or Africa because I got on board. And but she every season it starts and she goes. I don't know I hate this season I hate. I hate all of them. I hate every single. One of 'em and then we get to the merge and she kind of remembers people are now and then she's always like what they're just all idiots every single and then she wins and I can't believe she's still watches her opinion on. That's amazing she's consistent. You know does she do you? I guess she or do you have any sort of big favorites either in seasons or people you've had over the years so I don't know about your Krim seemed seemed like who's the least big idiot from perspective so she's from originally will not originally She lived in San Antonio for a long time. So she is Kim Spradlin Fan Stony Upland with San Antonio and I'd say for me. Generally speaking for me survivor seasons are sort of a wash in less. A woman ends up winning the show. I've always pro the women contest on sand like this season for example going in my my a favorites and no particular order. But I wanted Sandra poverty. Natalie Denise and Kim to do well and I'll tell you that that double booed of Poverty Sandra First Week Quarantine. That actually did hurt me in a deep way. No like setting the tone for quarantine and this is going to be a disaster like this is the last major thing you'll save before you cut yourself off from the outside world unforeseen about a time. Yeah I like the women and I also do. I love it when a gay man can sneak in there and win it too. Yeah so this has been rough for each year I am. I do love Kim Denise Alliance but they can I mean. We'll get to that but I never seem to get on the right side of that vote. Yeah I don't know we really have been seeing Leon like Kim. Saddling is fully inform and winters at war. Even when like after wasting an idol? He's okay I'm finally in on a plan. I'm going to screw over Jeremy. And Lo and behold due to Tony's MAC nations. She's left out once again. All my gosh though. I was dying with Kim being on the money every single to on the fire token every single time. Jeremy Tony's playing us. He's playing you and her calling Tony Outright is face. All of that was so bad. So bad ass. He was so bad. I wrote like Kim knows all in all caps I was that was one of those moments like this is like what straight white men feel when they're heroes are out there like kicking ass like my heroes out there kicking as as loving in empowered as I can do anything am guilty of anything. I can do anything because his also my hero too. She's a lot of like hardcore rooting for I. It's not gonNA go well. I don't think and these next couple episodes for her for her. But this episode or I would love this. Reunions could be weird for many reasons but I know how Jessie like. Little Kids love. You can just imagine either Kim coming out. Jeff says these women in their twenties there just are they love you so much. They're all over. You go to me and the audience. If that was a thing they go to me on zoom exactly like when they used to do like The signs from the contestants hometowns and that person wanted so. You're you're one person celebration at your apartment. Yeah it's like me trying to get my cats involved. Hold the sign. Let's let's talk about this episode because I spoke about at the beginning but what an interesting episode of survivor it's storytelling in particular has been very interesting throughout the entire season but really for the first time in what. I feel like it's been a fairly evenly edited season. We got all Tony all the time. I mean he was so crucially involved in everything to the point where he was the one that made the move. He was the one that found the idol. He was the one that you know had to overcome extortion. And you know I've seen people go back and forth as to whether or not they liked this episode overall Aaron. What did you think about this hour of Tony? So I as I said I do tend to favor the women but Tony is one of the men that I have enjoyed on the show. I think he is very fun to watch Usually I would be so pissed at survivor an episode. Like this. I'd be like Gimme. GimMe a break. But he really. He found an idol he wanted. Mutebi was extorted and he kind up with a plan. So it's like it's sort of his episode. I Dunno Mike. What what were they supposed? How could they have edited around him to make it more balanced but I thought it was spotted? It was he in game changers. He did such a bad job of changing his strategy and he really did do a better job. This time of laying low and it all came flying out. He's like back onto the original island like doing everything and say betraying his own alliance. He's GonNa next week. You know. Try to do damage control. It's like Oh my God he just. He immediately turned back if he loves it. But that's the thing that was he says last week and that secrecy like I pleaded really slow because my wife and remind me that I should do that and then like as soon as wife left. He's like okay because away the mice will play. Let me do everything that I did before and I guess Leon it's just a matter of like I mean it gets a dish showed that patients pays off to a certain extent but I guess at a certain point especially when you're someone like Tony you have to rev up or maybe there was just so much pent up Tony nece inside if cork was gonNA pop off at any point. Yeah that must have been the case because there were even things. I didn't even remember that. Tony did and this episode until I ever watched it Tony. Finding me idol completely forgot about that and what. I was re watching it. I was like what is he digging for. He doesn't dig for the extortion like disadvantage and those. Oh Tony I found an idol. I couldn't even believe that and then I think we're just GONNA get the continuation of that story next week when we have. Tony in his treehouse. Despite shock thing away Tony Moment. That was so funny was when he was reading the extortion clue he and he enters the scene like sliding into home like rounding. I I was like this is insane. I love it because I run away so nobody would know that I was pretty sure people saw sprint. Like Hussein bolt out of Camp Toda. You can't really hide when you're just dashing mile a minute and the noise that that must have made too late not only. Is he running breathing? Heavy and then sliding through all the dirt and sticks and leaves and stuff. It's very obvious. But that editing of that scene was so good because like I also at the Mo- like didn't know exactly if it was an advantage or disadvantage because I kind of miss some of the language the first time I was like okay. Does he get to use it as an extortion. Or is he being extorted by the people on the edge so then by the end it was like this is being played against you. That was so amazing. Oh my God yeah that has to be. I think the shadiest writing an advantage that I've ever seen aside from when Sarah. Apparently said offscreen that said. Don't use the votes deal in the way. Stephen Fishbach did but to like build you up so much of light. This is great. This is what disadvantage will do. Also it's being played on you I guess I guess. I sort of had that last season to write with like Jamal reading through his note of like. Hey you learned a valuable lesson like sometimes you know a good. Somethings are too good to be true. By the way you won't be voting like they really like these sneaks surprises with the survivor writers so shady and sell mean but I love it at the same time so and I think it was good because it was it was ups and downs for Tony. There were there were levels to the performance. It wasn't just one note which also made it really enjoyable. Yeah that's the thing is that I do agree with that. I think this is not something I would like to see every single episode. Because then you get like survivor. Samoa or to go international the most recent season of Australian survivor and that's just not great storytelling but considering how integral Tony was to everything in this episode I could see the editors wanting to have a bit of fun and go a bit unconventional with giving him I think eighteen confessionals or something but I can understand that if people earn fans that they wouldn't necessarily see that but at the same time I feel like we saw enough of everyone else that we got like a general says that's what was happening. It helped the vote was pretty straightforward before. Tony mucked up the works of like okay. We're just GONNA split between Jeremy and Michelle and I mean. I think we have totally for many reasons on the season and one of them is. I think he was able to prevent a pretty. You know. Ho- homage Jeremy Down the line. Vote by taking out arguably I would think someone who was playing one of the best game so far this season I felt bad for so I I have. I liked the other alliance more. Obviously since Kim Denise Fan and so I have been rooting against so fi but Yeah it was sad and I think we've seen this sort of editing pattern throughout the season where it's almost like the episode that you go out. You actually don't get a lot of content which we didn't really get to see a lot from Sophie this episode and that was kind of sad except for at the end which. I don't know how to do this. Baller moment. I mean I know. They're all winners but like still. She's never voted out so one on their eighth time plane so she actually yeah exactly between that and her like walking out saying she needs to take the idol out of her crotch like she just like through. Tsa Away from Jeff and that's the thing as well maybe it's because of like my own brain. I forgot that Sophie had an idol. I know she mentioned it beforehand. But yeah I mean it's it's always tough to track the advantages and I think that Sophie has had that Idelson episode five or so and Lord knows a lot has happened since then right and I thought her whole Michelle's been getting more of it but like I was a lesser winner thing which I don't remember. I haven't rewatch her season because I was. That was the era where it was like. Everybody was getting brought back at every moment and I was so over coach that I really didn't like that season. But I remember loving that. She won and thought she was so deserving so it was. I didn't realize that the fan base sort of hey again. I'm talking to my grandmother. Who thinks they're all idiots? I didn't realize that she was not a beloved winner. Because I was like yes. Soviet rule that was surprising it up. It's interesting and I talked about this actually in my alumni chat this week with Albert who was like one of her partners in crime in South Pacific and he vocalized a similar thing. I think for me comes down to two things. One is that you know she wanted into the finale with as you put it out errand more reputable players in coach and ozzy the you can expect more. People would be rooting for them inherently. Because they've seen more of them and I will say that I think whether because of the people around her or just a story line. The season really was not about her. She got a good amount of airtime. But it really was about Ozzy Coach. Cochran and brand enhance and everyone else sort of had their moment. So when you have some of those people get overwhelmed by character like Sophie in the end it does let Peoples Express this opinion of like why her she didn't deserve it because we weren't told why she won so I can understand why she feels the way I mean. I've certainly seen a good amount of survivor winner. Rankings where they've had near the bottom but I think it's always a good reminder as well of like how winning a million dollars didn't does not necessarily erase all feelings of ill will you have towards your time or towards the fan base. There's a really great secret seen this week of Kim and Sara Sara gets surprisingly emotional worship essentially like it just breaks down to Kim about how she didn't want to nearly come back for this season because she was afraid of things getting too personal because in game changes things got way too personal and they lamb Bassett her for it and she felt terrible because of it and Kim is such a perfect person and comforting force to her in this time. But you know when you when you win a million dollars. I think everyone thinks like. Oh Yeah you win survivor. And like all your sins are forgiven or like any sort of you know mental health issues. You have go out the window. But it only magnifies it sometimes especially I can imagine when you're being compared against other people game changers. Sorry go ahead. I was just saying stop lifts thing as a perfect person. No sorry go ahead Erin. Who was a rough season two as a fan to watch? It just seemed like they were there like on the clock like doing work. Yeah this season does seem more saen like they're having a good time. It seems like more than the fashion show. You know. We're seeing more of it but it seems a little less like game. Changers was depressing to me to watch the second depressing all around south. Maybe that's why Sir is really been swinging into like the. I'm going from COP. Criminal fashion designers like she purposely wants to make fun. She wants to be like the camp. Counselor Yeah Yeah. I love the fashion secrets and they. They spent money on those camera tracking shots and I was like damn we gotta Dahlie in here like it was really well do you. Do you think that the person like the music that they played do? We think that's yet another verse of the famed winners at worse. Or do you think they got like the same person to record like random. Fashion esque song to play. Is there rumors that SIA? It should be? That's her donation. This season she's got other players. You're not getting money instead. You got this lovely song that played during Sarah's fashion show. The fashion show was was was so wonderful. Just because you also had that balance or that Takata between Tony and Sarah as well which was so funny I love. I love Tony being like I think my pets. Your skirts. Any Day of the week never made pads. I WANNA see Tony's pants because I bet they're like haphazardly. Has Ladder there barely. It's like bored out of their minds. I was so confused when he didn't want to watch he's like I'm not watching this like. Are you gonNA stare at a tree for two hours instead of watch? The fashion show. That was so cute though Ben was like yeah like clapping. Like do it now. I've always again. I know that I'm talking about the characters them as human beings. I'm sure they're all lovely. I've always hated. Then but then when his kids came on and then he was so lovely during a fashion show is like Oh. Don't make me like them. I am really loving Ben because I'm going to say I love Ben when he's angry but like the Ben rivalries have always been so much ben character and I cannot believe Liana that we have a substitute for Adam already knew. Adam is Jeremy from the very beginning of the episode when Jeremy Approaches Ben and champions like why did you get rid of Tyson? Who is going to be the the big Big Shield Guy Now? But just goes you really. Yeah the Jeremy has his meat shields apparently bend just needs somebody to get into some sort of fight with every episode like he needs his enemy otherwise he doesn't know how to play the game and I love that the episode also that had that staredown between the two with them like Jeremy votes to them just kept staring each other. Unblinking and then. The Sophie votes kept coming in and they kept staring at each other. Yes I'm good. Well good well. You know sad. That item has gone but happy that Ben his new foil. So yeah this. Is Ben Second Island Wife Right now? I guess third if you Count Christie in there Oh yes adam was so fun. This season he was he was for that Weird Second One. Tyson thought he was gonNA quit. Oh yeah that was a beautiful moment looking up at the back. But he's probably looking for an idol. Oh yeah I I yeah. There's something tied up there. Something like that. I can see that he sees a floor to Lee. At the top of the flag polling starts inching his way up. You should just be like. Can I play this whole problem? I brought the flag like the play the flag and I love a clue just sort of like in a piece of trash like a wind. Bobby poverty poverty is like over. Somebody had wine like she could very regarded as well. Someone had a good time last night. I just have to walk again. Left behind the whole extortion admitted wasn't even hit and it was just sitting next to the Rock and not only just picks it up trash here man like climate change and garbage. It's like it's getting all over the place through a major things through it back into the ocean. You sound like we need to get this off our island domino's box that's a good idea. They should hide the clue in like a piece of pizza box. Or like I don't know inside like a used condom or something like some former refuse didn't Carl who had to find a coconut like a random coconut like floating in the ocean limited time limit. Like before you get washed away. Find this random doping. Yeah the add that to the list of Lake Rando advantages. Well let let's start talking about. We spoke about a bit. Let's talk about the shock boot here from this episode. So Liana going in. I know that you and I had a part of the round table that spoke about sophie coming in but she was you know maybe one of the bigger route wildcards. Jeff said she probably changed the most in her time between seasons maybe. She considers herself a lower tier winner. How did you think that Miss Clark was going to do pre season on season forty? I said that Sophia was going to roll her eyes on the island. Approximately one million times. She would create a tight partnership with the Danny in the game and then after the game they would team up to create a scented candle line based on the smells of survivor. I'M GONNA assume there was something in the pre press. They gave me this idea because reading it. Now what the Hell were you on? Both I have no idea what. That's what said candle where you huffing came up with that idea. I don't remember anything about that about scented candles. I don't either. I've no idea so I don't know Blue Harvard. Co Harbor Cove is the candle. I have right year. Maybe it was that one. I don't know I also said that she would come up with the new hotness analogy of the season so Aka like the pilots and passengers type analogy. I would say she did that but I will say she was like the Queen of like the metaphors this season like when she compared edge of extensions of that trip that she took to the prison in high school. I think with all the things on her resume tracy sleeping election and basically I mean knock the hell out of whatever just was trying to do with Lazy Susan this episode so weird then I also said that she would have a modest forty one fire. Toga and fifteen confessionals. Her ally was Danny and then completely missed. The boat on this one enemy was Sarah. So I mean to be fair Sophie was one of the people that had written down. The CERVO. Preseason right she was one of those. I believe the vote actually said like. I don't know what comes. After copping criminal we all found was fashion designer. And we all found out that Sarah Sophie would become one of Sarah's closest allies because that swap tribe so many questions answered now. The question is what scented candles are gonNA come out of the season. I mean they could still start a business together on the edge of extinction like did say something about candles like wh. Where did this come from another go back and rewatch their preseason press just to find out would you fight? Kennel that smells like the edge of extinction. You know maybe does it. Smell I guess it depends on it. Smells like it. It's not like it's not like flag and trash it empty wine empty wine bottles flags and like a bunch of firewood for forty logs of transport. So I thought that Sophie would get targeted early in a close vote. Don't know what that means. I said she would get taken out by somebody playing an advantage. I mean Tony did an advantage. And her blunt confessional. Delivery will make her the low key star of survivor social media. I set her. Closest ally would be Kim. I did say her worst enemy would be Tony. She had a sixteen confessionals and five. Fire Tokens okay interesting. Yeah so I mean the Tony Thing is pretty spot on out I think and I mean most pertinently. This has been making the rounds on social media. I think just came from the fact that Sophie was one of the main players to really predict. And Call Out Tony's game back when she guests during survivor Coug I on and I think she said basically like if I was on a season with Tony that someone I would not want to play with. Because he's too chaotic so I felt like it only makes sense that she sofi was known for being like really slow and steady in her first season that I can imagine that someone like toady of any any out of the Tony that we know is just going to be held for her but yeah the the big the Big Moo. What was it the It was big movies. Been wanting to take credit. Yeah there was this whole weird discussion. Go a got at tribal council about like it was all about big moves right. It was this idea of light yielding a resume and the double edged sword. Jeff compared it to a Lazy Susan where it's constantly spending and you don't know who's big move it is or who's taking credit for it and then I just love Sophie calling it out being looked. Yeah there's resumes but like quality not quantity. Yeah they were. I loved them. Sort of like pushing back against modern survivor production neglect. Sometimes you just like you're just in a good alliance and you should vote with them rather than screwed over for absolutely no reason to build a quote unquote resume that at low. Help because you're screwing over the people that vote for you know. I thought that was really fun for me. Yeah but I think Tony was just like I don't know if you had some music in his head or something. He just was not listened to that whatsoever. Tony of course exempt from that. We'll speak Tony so let's get into our first game here. This is a game sent by Robbie Biz to us where he called this game. You think you know with Tony quote so like I said at. Tony had a whopping eighteen. Confessionals the most of any contestant on a single episode of survivor including Finales which can last up to two hours. So yeah lot of lot of Tony concentrate here just very very pulpy. Orange JUICE. This week in survivor. So robby took a snatch of Tony. Quotes and blanked out some words to how this is going to work is. We're going to go back and forth here. I'm going to read you a tony quote and basically you're going to have to fill in the blank. The blank is always going to be about one to three words. And you're going to have a choice here we're going to. We're going to twist it up a little bit here if you think you know the answer without needing to see possible options you can guess outright and if you do you get two points if you would rather have some options will give you three multiple choice options but if you get it right it will only be one point so risk reward a constant survivor moral dilemma. Leon I know you re watched the episode getting that Tony Content. Let's see if it pays off here and in the points. Can they please be called? Fire Tokens yes. Absolutely point will be immediately into fire. To- case you so much okay. Good when can I extort someone special extortion round? Yes random person and ask them to give you invisible. Fire Tokens gained for another answer. Okay sounds good. Well let's start with you here so again. I'm going to quote you have to fill in the blank two points if you want to get it right outright and a one point if you get a choice of three options here we go. This is in chronological order with the episode. Awhile everybody's always tired of tribal. They're exhausted. They sleep like blank. Yeah I'm GonNa need the options okay. Is THAT LLAMAS LOGS OR BABIES? Oh shoot let's go with logs. That is correct yes. Tony said that everyone was exhausted. Sleeping like logs and that was that was how he was able to get up in the thick of the night and look for an idol. Even though I guess. Nick was a little bit more of a light sleeper or log. I suppose less log like more vampire like were you know that. I don't know what Tony was thinking before. We move onto more funding games for take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. Let's keep on keeping on Erin. Here's yours speaking of Nick. Well I'm looking. Nick shows up and he's blink. I'm like this is my area man. What you hear on Kinda Wanna I'll take. I'll take the options please. Is It cramping my style messing me up or invading my privacy? I think I'll go with a crimping my style that is correct. Yes Tony Accuses Nick of making him look cool and cramping his style. That's his fashion. Show looking for the idol and the dark. That's right yeah maybe maybe off to do his own fashion show like you said Aaron him looking for idols. Night where it's Cammo. Tony Brand Bentley. On a I went to work I was looking at local. Looky looky looky looky looky looky scratching scratching blank look look look looking idea I need the options. Was it a looking up. Be Digging digging or see moving leaves. I'm going to go digging digging. I'm sorry it was looking up all the road. I went right to work. I was looking looking looking looking looking looking looking scratching scratching looking up. Oh looking looking for Yes yes. Yes of course or score on the ground when he was digging digging. I think that the probably the seventh looking is when he actually found the idol. Yeses right Aaron question for my real job never undercover like this. The real birds are way more dangerous than getting blindsided on survivor. So right now. I'm having all the fun out here on survivor blank. I'll take the options. Was it a world be planet where see land having all the did? I hear the end of the course. I'm so sorry but right now. I'm having fun out here own survivor. Blink Server World Survivor Planet or survivor land. I'M GONNA say Survivor Planet. I'm sorry it's the newest theme park the nation survivor land. Oh they are classic whilst that I. I think Tony would actually build a theme park. It's sort of like the. We bought a zoo like we bought an amusement park. And Tony we. Try to flip into survivor. Land. We bought a piece of Fiji yes and turned it into survivor land. I'm picturing though more from Beau Jack. Course than I don't know if he goes watch the show. But wouldn't todd makes his amusement park and it's like a flaming tires and like Greece buyer alive. Tony Land Enter survivor. Land by Tony Energy. A LOT OF PLACES TO HIDE. Maybe like to watch the ride from the garage. Yeah that's what the QR is like. You can watch things from the trees now. Construction crew get to work. And what you dig. Dig Dig dig. Dig Up dig all right. Let's go to Yuliana. Yes I'm going to extort somebody because in real life. I can't do that but I know it. Sounds like fun when I'm watching the movies the mobsters extort people for money or they're going to break your legs or break your blank if you don't give me this and that so I'm excited I'm just GonNa Guess Rake your back. I'm sorry it was. Break your fingers okay at least narrowed down to a body part yeah you were basically moved from extremities the mobsters either extort people to break their legs or their fingers on the other. Not Options were kneecaps. Funny Bone or your pants. Yes I'm gonNA break your seem like the fashion wars that Tony is going to set his goons on Knicks. GonNa come rip up. Sarah's close Aaron. Let's go to you okay. I'll tell you what man if this is real life doing some prison time. This is extortion. Code Blank. Something I know. It's a criminal code. Extortion is illegal in the states. I don't know why it's not legal. Here in Fiji. This is ludicrous. I got three talk. They want six. This is extortion code. I guess for the Thrill this is extortion. Code Code Red. Sorry we were looking for a number and a letter in this case. It was to see coach. Tony just tries to site I think law and just forgets into the code for it is actually a real thing or is Tony. Just making stuff up. I can imagine like in in like a police handbook. You know a code for every sort of illegal activity. I can't imagine there you go. That's the number that some sort of crime because it's a song or twenty quite famous the mouth. Of course I'm looking at what five one five. Oh means temporarily involuntary psychiatric commitment of individuals who present a danger to themselves or others due to signs and mental illness. The ending of that. Maybe you know what to be honest. I just made that up. I guess at any numbers and I'm sure it would have been some sort of police code. Onis Toni's approach as well. Well now I'm looking at titled to see the New Jersey Coda criminal justice. Oh okay so I think this is about. Let's see I'm seeing rules of construction which is very on brand for Tony. Yeah it looks like it just looks like a lot of yes. A two seat looks like a precursor for reporting some sort of illegal activity. He just forgot the rest of it. Got It okay. I'm so impressed especially at your brain mush at that point. I can't imagine how many numbers he must remember let alone like an actual prefix for a legal code and he had done all that looking and looking up so much worry. How can you remember? All those things should have looked up to. He should have looked up. The right code formerly all right Liana and then so this. Is Tony Talking to Michelle? Who really tries to like sneak her way out of giving a token to Tony. Clean and says Tony. I spent my tokens on an advantage. I say wow that great Michelle. How much did it cost you? She said four. Or Five Tokens. I'm like WHOA. The price of blame just went up advantages. I'm sorry the answer was milk weirdly. I we had you know it was milk. Aaron. I just remember it being so funny. I was like what is he talking with? Up delivered by drone especially exactly pays service charge for that. But Yeah Tony I mean. Tony was likes to make a lot of like store. Metaphors like remember when he saw the fire at the birds. Would you have to go to the Bodega? And you can't even afford a stick of gum like. He really likes this analogy. That he's sticking in the store and so he talks about the price of milk going up worse. Of course all right Erin. Everybody's very calm cool and blank and you're tired of all the talking chattering like hey we're solid. Let's just talking if they want to stop and slow down. That's better for me because I'm not stopping and slowing down. I'm always thinking win. They're not I was guest collected. Ooh that's a trick question. The answer was quiet. Tony got a bit of derailed and didn't finish the actual phrasing zoning I would love to hear it the book of Tony Versions of phrases so calm. Cool and milk yeah right. It's just a list of all these phrases with like the ED part missing or some sort of mistake like a stitch in time saves saved your life. Oh my gosh. Yeah Lake early to bed early to breakfast. A few chocolate chips short of a Crayon box. Exactly like Oh. He's not the dollars. Crayon up the kids knows the just Tony `ISMs across the board all right Leon back to you. I can't believe it Jeremy's blank. I'm trying to save him at begging him to save him. Chevy's blank all right. I. I'M GONNA play it safe. I took some guesses. They were completely wrong. Let me hear the options stupid reluctant or Delusional Oud Delusional. I'm sorry it was reluctant. Oh I bet delusional. It'd be like a very tony word calling someone and delusional. Yeah I do love that. Tony just like I'm begging Jeremy to save himself. I know it's hard for him to say like listen. I've been trying to get rid of you but right now I don't want to because yeah you gotta get episode Tony. That was so fun. Yeah we'll that whole interaction was just so funny because it was like the entire time. He's playing Jeremy and then the one time he's not playing him of course. Jeremy's like I don't know about that. Yeah yeah he was playing like a day ago his plate of the bridge. We're going for Jeremy next to my best friend though the next day is like I don't know about this. So how could Germany doesn't believe me I will say. I also am impressed that Jeremy is still in. I'm impressed by Jeremy. Still in the game I've got piled friend. Yeah good for him especially because you know remember that he lost Natalie the very first episode and so for him to stay this long I think is impressive and also remember that at the merge he might have gone instead of. Wendell had he not want immunity that time it has been a surprisingly slippery slope for Jeremy. Considering like how rock-solid he was in his second season a little bit of a complicated this one. This has to Blake's the less trouble with a bit blank. Everybody was mentally exhausted physically exhausted so he put a plan in blank. We were like okay. Let's just take to it to tap today. Everybody are we good are we are we? Are we good? Everybody said yes. Yes yes yes. Yes and we took it easy. I have what I would assume. A normal person would say but I don't It's milk and milk exactly. That's the pits. Bilk only put a plan in milk and got a very soggy. The tribal was chaotic. And they put a plan in motion. You know what I'm GonNa give you a point because most was one of the motion was one of the blanks. While the other one was trouble was a bit hectic. Oh that's synonyms. I think it counts. No it doesn't count. What am I saying? Don't count. No Yeah I think only one fire. Okay well the good news is you didn't need much. Because unlikely on US predictions we were surprisingly sparse. And Fire Tokens despite the price of milk. Going up but Aaron squeaked it out right there at the very end you have won this game two to one clearly. You know Tony WLAC goes but I think we've all learned that. The man is as unpredictable in his win. Manner of speaking as he is as a survivor player. Congratulations I feel. I feel blessed by some peanut butter. Blessed and highly favored. Alright I want to speaking of Tony and speaking of Fire Tokens Tony. Burrows FIRE TOKENS FROM JEREMY. From Ben from Nick I believe. And so he does require tokens and he earns to fire tokens by winning immunity. This week so I want road alla t you guys Mike. Who Do you think Tony is going to pay back? We'll pay back anybody. I guess. Maybe it's the first question and if so who you think he pays back. I I also want to say the extortion advantage. I'm not a huge fan of it. Like created some fun moments but. I'm still not sure how I feel about like I don't know for some reason. There's a difference in my mind between sending players the opportunity for an advantage and like forcing players to do something or else. They get penalized. Because of it. You know and I feel like Luckily Natalie in poverty wanted tokens so the only quote unquote only charge six. But I feel like in another world if you have like a bitter AF person on the issue this thing. They could be like great. Twenty Fire Tokens please. And then that person's just absolutely screwed so I'm glad it worked out here and I think this is actually a great proving of Tony Social Capital. He was able to gain so far that he went to Nick. Ben and Jeremy guys from basically three different contingencies and they all were able to give them a token because he was able to like make everyone believe that they were on his side so I give him massive Kudos Internet sober. He deserves Kudos. Kudos Kudos. That being said my first instinct is that he paid back Nick and Jeremy so that they had an incentive to vote with him I was GONNA think that he may be paid back. Nick and band just to like keep the alliance feeling safe and just get. That is confusing. Maybe he did pay back Jeremy. But you're right. Yeah well my original thought was oh. He's going to. He's going to borrow from Jeremy because then he's GonNa vote him out so I'm like you know. Take care of her. That was definitely the plan. I think walking into that immunity challenge so I think that was very easily his Mo and then for some reason. He was just struck with inspiration. Maybe it's because he has the necklace around as the one and he had an idol also in his pocket so he really does have. He does have room to be a little bit Hasty or not he Stephen Rash Swagger swagger play more chaotic. You know 'cause you have stuff that you can fall back on yeah. I think it's interesting because you know we kind of saw a little bit in the preview of Sarah being mad af so I do wonder if it's like okay. No I will get rid of Jeremy this week and so he won't bother paying Jeremy Back because it's like okay. We're going to get rid of Jeremy. Do you think you can give her fire tokens. If Sarah Fire Tokens I'm sorry here. Like recompense ooh. Yeah that'd be interesting but I wonder if it's like a debt collector kind of thing where it's like nick comes to Tony and Tony's I. I don't have the money man like go to Sarah. She's got all my money and then it's just like a chain it. He does if he is able to rain all his Alliance of Sarah and then he will be playing his original game and they vote out Jeremy and then he screws one of them over. It wouldn't be wild. It'd be funny to see if they all fell for it. But they're all they're all smart so what he did. You know described over one and went back and screwed over wine and went back. The interesting thing would be if he votes out. Jeremy Ben Dick than they are like crazy. I Know Tony. Has Fire Tokens? Let me sell in this advantage. Yeah yeah the let me just go. You know 'cause I wonder if we're GONNA see another kind of punishment I doubt it but another sort of like punishment disadvantage come from the edge of extinction. Because you know now maybe people are a little bit more but her like might send stuff to Tony being like screw you. Tony like out. Yeah I do wonder I guess out of the people on the edge of extinction right now. Do you think would have been most likely to use the extortion advantage for malice. Rather than gaining fire tokens. Ooh That's a good question. Who Do I think? Out of all of them Let's see we'll Tyson was Kinda mad cause. He flipped entire table off when he got voted out so but I feel like he would have calmed down. Maybe by the time he got there but if it had been right after. I think that could have been really fun to watch. Yeah the people. The most recently voted off are GonNa be the mom or dad or maybe Boston rob would be mad at ban. Yeah I'm trying to think. Yeah I think this does feel like pretty truly move and I feel like this is something tiresome with. I mean before this episode. I would've said Natalie and Natalie even vocalise is that in this episode right. She's like I don't have any allies like I could very easily. Just use this mess with somebody. She was excited at the opportunity to do so. But the fire tokens was just too bright and so her and PARV collaborated together at the squeezed. Six Tokens Tony Slash Ben Slash Nick. Slash Jeremy I wonder if production like okay. Let's say Tyson gotten it or or whatever. It doesn't matter who we'll say God and it was like I'm GONNA ask for Sixty. Nine fire tokens bet or check or whatever like what would have been like alright over. It had to be the only the amount of fire consider in play but even still that would be so many but surprised. I thought can't you can't ask like Infinity Fire Champions? Yeah just like you will not vote. He will not play an immunity so brutal. And not even. Just you're out of your immunity challenge but you also don't get to vote is so that was a but he did it. He pulled it off. Yeah that's that's kind of interesting okay. Would you change the advantage in some way to maybe make it like one or the other like Mike especially because you know you're not the biggest fan of his advanced? Well I don't even know what to call it this advantage. Yeah Do you think like give. It have been one that would have been better or just like not at the concept is losing haute is so bad. There's not that many people APSO that's huge. I don't understand. I agree with Aaron. I don't understand why they didn't just the island of the idols thing you fail. You lose your vote instead of having a pile like Angelou's immunity. I guess they really want to push people to try to overcome this extortion. But like Erin said this is a key piddle vote especially if it was initially set up to be five versus four that some people thought that like people are going to work their asses off to overcome that extortion. Even if it's just for one thing Yeah Right. Yeah very true okay. Well let's let's switch gears a little bit although we're still talking fired Hogan's and kind of a little bit still talking Tony But we were thinking you know. How do we make an extortion game? And I've had these thoughts or something happens that survivor. Like how do I make this into a game? And there's no active figure it out but we got kind of close. I think this week we are going to be playing survivor. Deal or no deal instead of extorting you I will be making. Some offer is as the banker to play our version of dealer not L. so in traditional dealer no deal you have cases that are packed from one dollar. Well technically all the way to one million dollars and you will try to get the most amount of money of course today. We are playing for fire token soon so I have sort of a board for you guys to please let me just like go ahead and kick things off a little bit of a Howie. Mandel inspired scripts helped wheeler no wheel. Okay so here we got just didn't I? Okay hello everyone. I'm your host Lee on abortion. Welcome to deal or no deal where our lucky contestants are hoping to leave. Today's podcast with one million fire tokens but will they be successful. This game is a slippery slope. Put Twists and turns keeps you on the edge of your seat that quote. I did pull from the intro of dealer. No deal upset south sound. It's not too unfamiliar from like something. Jeff probst would say tribal council. Oh yeah all right so you know what was it. Shoot a drink before. War is always a good idea. Free SLOW PIT OUT AFTER THAT. Right full of twists and turns Okay so this is GonNa work. We have twelve available cases. Each packed with a different amount of fire tokens ranging from one to one million fire. Really just trying to make this happen so today the way this is. GonNa work is Mike and Erin. You two are going to be playing as a team so the very first thing. I'm going to need the two of you. To do is to agree on a case number that is going to become your case so please make a number between one and twelve Aaron. Do you have any affinity for any numbers between one and twelve. Seven seems lucky. I don't know why Okay Mike. Do you think about that. I mean listen. I'll go with seven. It's like halfway between sure. Okay Oh okay also. I don't know how this board. Dj Lebel client at this last time again. So number seven is off the board and it is now your guys his case. Okay so what we're going to do now is I'm going to need trying to tie this into survivor. Is Somehow you have to vote off three cases aboard? And then you will get your first banker deal okay. So we have to vote three cases off. Are there any that you don't particularly like Erin you feel are threatening to to is striking me as suspicious? Yea well ever. Since I saw nine on the boat I was. I just had a bad feeling that they turn on me at some point. Yeah I'm I'm cool to get rid of nine to nine and let's pick an element of. Should we go with the minesweeper approach and go with like one around seven to see you? Don't think it works like yeah. Maybe six okay. Two six nine okay to sixty nine so you have pulled to six thousand nine off. So we're GONNA do is. I'm going to reveal the values in those cases that you have pulled off the board so drum roll at early okay. Incase number two. Let's go ahead and have our model Aka me open case number two it is. Oh no the million hoops not great. Not a great start guys. Okay but that's okay. You saw the half a million dollars. Half a million tokens or on the board. And a million million fire tokens. It's too heavy. Spend it on milk acting now. I mean come on come on. It's the price of milk is gone up sky-high. Don't need that all right. Let's go ahead and open up. Hase number nine it is. Oh No that happened. I guess we're just have bad instincts about two nine. We thought they were so bad but they were working out for us. We they were suspicious. They ended up being the big ones. Something about them was off in the wrong way instead of the wrong direction. Unfortunately okay well we have one more. Take off the board before you get your first. Y'All and that is number sex. Oh that is B. E. thousand dollars down and fire token container. Okay Yeah Okay not ask that. The quarter of a million fire tokens up. They're not going to lie to values really kind of hurt you bet but that's okay that's okay all right so oh rate should've made. I'm getting a phone call from the banker. Okay Yeah Hello Yeah I don't I don't know if these guys have stamina to go all the way. Yeah Okay Yeah. Are you sure that's what you WANNA do? Okay all right guys. The banker is note. The edge of extinction is prepared to offer you. Forty thousand one hundred and eighty five fire tokens. That is already thousand. One hundred and eighty five fire tokens. I will leave it up to the two of you to debate and discuss kind of blue this round. What are you thinking? Should we keep pressing our luck or should we take the really random deal we can take the the random deal but I do feel like we have to pad are resume and makes them more moves exactly this Games one on big moves? You know you miss all the shots you don't take so we're slamming the coconut shell over that but in the Liana no deal no deal and then the lights like Oh ten the okay no deal all right so now you have to eliminate more aces off the board all right. Let's talk over the opposite. Aaron I'm feeling good about eleven so I feel like we should take eleven off. Yeah that's what I say we should. Our instincts are clearly wrong so yeah. Let's take eleven. Okay all right. Let me let me before you continue. Let me go ahead and reveal that way. You can know if your strategy is working or not. Okay we're going to go ahead and take eleven off aboard. It is the one hundred. Wow and getting off the ones you like Erin okay okay. Now what do I feel good about? I guess they feel good about threes. So maybe we vote off three all right. Let's do it okay. We're voting off three. That is oh my gosh. It's the fifty. Wow Wow okay this is the this is a string of good luck here. Ignore your instincts. Is the moral all right all right? Let's see I'm going point at a number eight and I'm going to go the opposite of that which is five getting rid of five. So do I don't remember. House works on the show. Five hundred how okay. So this is overall a really good round for you guys. Aaron how are you feeling? I'm feeling good. I'm now certain the one dollars seven because that's what we picked right away. That's true but other than that. I feel good okay. Other than that. You feel good all right. So let's go ahead and call up and see what the banker banker calls me. Hold on such a stupid fit all right. We're done with that all right. The bankruptcy called the Bait. No extinction texted me. Did you like the challenge? When you're like. Hey guys we got a text Motorola phone from extinction you could open. And it's like an excel. She liked music video. Yeah okay a great. So the edge of extinction via message in a bottle is prepared to offer you guys. Sixty thousand one hundred and sixty. Nine Fire Tokens ooh slightly higher slightly higher. I don't know I mean we. I feel like at this point I could go down in flames. And and just keep playing keep picking the baskets the briefcase baskets now are. They should've been basket. I should made this little thing. Survivor did not. So let me let me just recap free guys. What's left on the board? So you do. Have the quarter of a million fire tokens. You have the a hundred thousand fire tokens and then you have the ten thousand one thousand ten and one had left on the board. Well that's the thing I wonder if W- because if seven doesn't need to fire token which I totally believe we won't get the opportunity to switch it out until the end so I guess the question is. Do we stop now or do we keep going until we get that opportunity. It's tough it's really tough. I've never really been more nervous in my life than I am in this we could take it and just and then. And then what? What is the rule we get to switch our case out? And maybe make more money. Is that what happens now? So if you take a deal the game is done but if you keep playing the game so next if you if you say no deal you only have to eliminate two cases before you get your next offer okay. That's huge now. Yeah matters but if you do all the way down to the end where there's only to the case that you guys picked and one case on the board you do have the opportunity to swap. Hey says this is. My heart is pounding if only there was lights and dramatic music as well sedimentary conditions. Let's just eliminate two more for the sake. I'll throw your alive exactly. We need a little bit of tinge in our system so slammed on a coconut. Shell no deal. No deal did okay. We're saying no is that are those that music or sound like a motorcycle running down. I don't know Right now you have to pick two more cases so let's go ahead and open up one case off the board. Are we still going to stick with the reverse strategy all defect to you for this first one? Okay it's like. We have a lot of even numbers left on the board for for those against see but we only have one odd number which is one so that one. That one's scares me that odd number. So maybe that I can't remember scares me means that we should this is like the reverse reverse reverse. This is the princess bride. Yeah yeah this is going to drink that let's limit. Let's eliminate one unless you don't want to buy. No let's do it. It's all your call. Oh God okay Yup okay. We are eliminating one off. The Board Dow was the ten thousand fire token K. Is exactly whereas could be worse? He still have the quarter of a million and the one hundred million one hundred million. If I'm only one hundred thousand fire token case left on the board okay so I'm closing my eyes and I'm moving my finger around. This board could sniff frantic faction wherever it lands. I'm going to go the opposite direction. Oh yes e okay all right. I'M GONNA choose case number ten please. He's number ten. Okay let's go ahead and open that one up it is guys. It is the one fire token. Yes the board not in your case. Congratulations that's huge okay. So one from the upper tier and one from the lower eliminated. Yo that's right. Yeah okay so we're getting down to the wire here. There are four total cases in play. Your case may contain a quarter of a million buyers. The other cases are the hundred thousand. One Thousand Fire Tokens or the ten fire tokens. Now I am getting. Oh what what. Oh is this a is this a sound effect? I'm trying to play on my phone. Maybe guys to hear that no. It's the softest phone ring in his pocket. Deep inside of it goes in. My other. Purse always stored as phone backstage. And he's gotTa go get it all right. We are getting a deal from the banker. Now let me tell you. Banker is not happy. You guys that you knock one fire again off the board but the banker is willing to offer you. Eighty seven thousand. Seven hundred and fifty. Three Fire Tokens Up The two of you say deal or no deal now. Let me throw this out there. If you say no deal you only have to eliminate one more case. Wow so what's it. GonNa Be Gang Yale or no deal? I mean. That's a pretty high. Amount of fire tokens a lot of peanut butter. It's like the would be like second place and survivor after taxes exactly. Yeah Yeah third-place money which is like pretty good when you convert assuming it's one token for a dollar. Yeah you'll probably get invited back for another season because you did pretty well unless you were the goat but even then cast made it back so I take maybe just for another option of another all right on. I'm taking the coconut Shell. And I'm eating it which I think means. We're taking the deal or taken the deal. Well congratulations. You both have earned eight hundred. Eighty thousand seven hundred and fifty three. Point Tokens. Which is I? Don't even know how you're going to get that home. Because when Tony was holding sex it seemed to already like a lot of all closed. Own personal belongings. No matter you're just carrying all the Fire Tokens at your carry ons. You're going to have to fill the Boston. Robin Sandra heads. Full of fire tokens ship them back to the United States. Now let's see whether or not you made a good deal in case number seven your case there was one thousand. Fire Tokens. Okay you earned. I guess. Eighty six thousand more fires again that you would have gotten so well done. Congratulations the audience plotting from back. I'm using my fire tokens. I'm taking a one way trip to survivor. Land enjoy enjoy hiding in the trees trees and not watch a fashion show right. That's strictly forbidden and survivor lands. Well well done. I think you guys did much better than any of the survivor's would've done so you know. His you have more fire tokens. So that's how I was going to say. Do you think that any particular people would do? Well for dealer no deal considering how high stakes in nerve racking it is yeah. Tony has to be on dealer no deal. I would make big nerves. I Dunno Tony kind of looks like Howie Mandel. Who could take his place? Yeah yeah that's that's possible also sort of inside baseball comment so the way that I did. The value amounts is essentially. Just take the average of what was left on the board and the fact that sixty nine thousand one hundred sixty nine came up as I kid you not the actual average of what was left made my life and I was like his being cheeky. Legit the average so horny little game. This song came in the Marta. Who would have thought dealer? No deal or Neha game out there. Well as we file away. Our Fire Tokens. I WanNa talk about something. That's a Middle East sort of survivor related but sort of not Because I saw a tweet this morning Liana that you have introduced your sweet booth thing Infra F- Akili to the world of flavor of love. Have you not so I have? I have so. I watched all of the flavor of Love Rock of love. I Love New York. I love money. Daisy of love the weird one with frank the entertainer. Real chance that love. I watched all of those. When they were in their heyday and come to find out the person I want to spend the rest of my life with has never seen a single one. It was time to correct this gross injustice in the world and I made him watch the entire first season of rock of labor of love. Yesterday we watched the whole thing. It was essential laziness. We Ate Pizza. Nice cream and watch flavor of love on the couch. It was amazing. That sounds incredible so before we get into these survivors very thin application of. It doesn't hold up because that aired what initially like two thousand six or something. There is definitely some comments that would one hundred percent. You would be cancelled today but surprisingly you for what I expected. So yeah I would but overall I mean in terms of the drama and the entertainment of it absolutely holds up it is iconic Aaron. Have you have you ever been a fan of those? Vh1 CELEB- reality shows. I would say that I in college watched some of them in sort of a college hayes so I like them but I usually like the ones we'll but people did win this one as reality shows that usually like when people win and lose his head. I mean technically yes. There was a winner but that being said no one except for the audience really won the shows. Everyone's lost I was. I was not an avid watcher. But I did watch and enjoy so that being said I figured out what we could do. Is You know if Liana wants to put on her viking hat once more after her hayes from yesterday and see if we can assign some of flavor of love esque nicknames. Some of the people from this caste for people who don't know flavor Flav for some reason. Maybe it's because he just doesn't remember people's names would lines up. All the girls at the beginning of every flavor of love season talks them for like thirty seconds and then comes up with a nickname just based on whatever might be on where they're from and might be how they look in a random fact about them. Liana. Do you have any Favorite flavor of love nicknames. Over the years ooh okay. That's good so po. Pumpkin not pumpkin. Pumpkin Which again. I don't know exactly why she was called Pumpkin. But that's a pretty good one Let's see so classically you know the woman who is from Georgia is called Georgia. But I think what really stands out? Is that usually there's Z. At the end and Kinda got weirder as the seasons went along. I'm looking at some right now that I really love. I love the season. Two toasty with threes. At the end of that season was my favorite. I think it's spelled pay. I Y Shins as age. I N T Z. There's also is really weird nickname but E. I. E. Y. Apostrophes Z. At the end I also love. I think my favorite though overall it's a simple one might be tree ceases three. There's just a really tall woman who came on that flav dictator tree. It's so good so that being said I would love for us to sort of have our creative juices flow and see if there are any nicknames. We can use to come up with some of these people all under name here. I and he's sort of been top of mind. Hopefully this'll be easy. Do we have a nickname for Tony that we can assign from flavor of Love House? Cue Ball Yeah but it's got to be like Q. Hyphen Mall this episode specific. It's like extortion. But spelled with an axe like torsion. You know yeah or let's see I'm sure there was someone called chains with Z. As I don't know that feels the COP thing change changes that's like Dean from last season. Let's see because usually it's based on like some some like physical attribute I would say is like most of the time because also on I love New York which is a successor is supposed to flavor of love. She also names all of her contestants New York and so they get the you know. Like twelve pack Or like white boy or Mr Boston. Those sort of classic names of I think my favorite was pootie. Dude or Gee we'd there were a lot of t's there was like T. We t-boned team money. I remember there was one guy who is I remember was known for being very well. Hung and his nickname was a wolf. Are Wolf's famously Hong. I met many wolves to know. Great Lake Wasn't like I dunno like Horace. Don't make those. I think the worst thing is that these people try to build like entertainment careers off this like thankfully like frank the entertainer but imagine being like. I'm Greg Wolf Harris. And please give me your cameo money all right. Let's move on here. How about Ben? What's a good thing nickname for Ben Well the first second someone is cowboy. Because that's kind of like. Would it be spelled like the contestant from survivor Cook Islands with the I? Yeah we're about like a bomb. Yeah it could be bomb. He was heroes. Hustler was he. A Hustler was a hero. He was a hero. That doesn't work like UH slurs. Somehow it'd be a great name Ben. Yeah it could be. It also could be like just straight up like Ben bomb. I could see now at Namm. Yeah Grudge. He always says he could be like grudge. Ya and that's a very fitting for Ben. Okay what about what about Sarah Lassina? Should it be like? I don't know like seem or skirt or like about fashion. She's so our so famously. A criminal I mean that was her winning season. So how about how about sneak but like a? Oh Yeah you need the double E. I was also thinking like stripes is with a Z. Right so she's a criminal so you know. She's got our stripes designer now. Oh and she's a designer so it's like a dual meaning because we all know these nicknames. Were so creative. Especially when flavor flav named the twins thing one thing to uniform she can be sneaking stripes or stripes and Snake Tomac name. Yeah Yeah how about Denise what do you think? Denise? It'd be like shorty or something. Yeah you're right or if there's already a shortage shortly to like very uncreative. I like shortly to Maybe she'd be like pint-size or something or no shortage. Ooh The lion. I like that a lot. I was GONNA ask if if flavored you would take advantage of her being a sex therapist and do something I like I like to. I'm just having now. This mental image of Jeff probes colleague on people at Tribal Council calling them by their nicknames was one world with Troy Zan and Tarzan battle. That really did feel like a flavor of little. Bit of drama there too. And it's like I can't believe it he's Tarzan. I'm troy. That bitch stole my nickname. Like one of the first episodes. Oh my God it was so funny and then when when he votes are like when somebody gets voted out. Be Like you know like I'm sorry your time is up and then otherwise you get a clock. That's like you know what time it is. What do you think it would be? Would it be like you did a torch instead? Yeah I guess you would get your tour. Yeah you get your torch and we'll be like shoot. What would be his catchphrase? That is like my like your your. Your life is still burning in the game or something Yeah he's we used to make sure the tribe has spoken is good but it feels almost like more of Jeff conferring this like thing upon you so it's like you're fires burnt out or like your fires still burning or something like that. What about Michelle Fitzgerald? Who might find herself up? One of these dating shows nowadays. What do you think her nickname would be parallel? Let's see what is I mean? Mccown it mechanic. Michelle is iconic. Because she's such a queen so she could just be like Yaas Queen. Jeff probst being like Yaas Queen. How'd you feel about that? I saw you roll your eyes your screen so you roll your eyes. When sneaky strives to said she wanted to vote you out just to confirm grudge. You're playing this idol on Yasser Queen. Yep that's gotta be. Her name is yes when doll. She's definitely yes queen plane. What do we think all right so I'm going to put one? I mean Nick is going to be an interesting one. Right like you could go with Dracula. Yeah Nikola what about like whisper? Because he's always so like just POPs up. What the wind did Sandra say to him at the beginning like you're the newest winner so everyone thinks you're sneaky. Yeah he's sneak to snow sneaky stripes and Sydney key to even get like another sticky to. He's sneaky vampire. I like vampire though but it'd be like but be spelled horribly wrong lake. Let's see Vam No I can't even do it like yeah. No It'd be like V. H. M. Yeah. Why are wise? And they're yeah p. y. r. e. or something like that. Yeah that's good. Do we think that she would nickname Boston. Rob Boston Rob would he be that? Unoriginal? It'd be Boston. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Oh for sure because like sometimes you get like that one person. It's just like they can't think of anything to describe them by so it's like very obvious so Boston rob would obviously at something Boston themed. What about Adam? Client CLIMATE SOLICIT RATIOS. Shorty Watch shot. Saudi want shorting to. I can't remember who I think you'll would be numbers but with my bs three CS professor with busy in there. Somehow the E is a three. Because it's gotta be numbers like the upside down all right. I'll come up with one. Final one here Natalie. Anderson what's Natalie Anderson's flav nickname or? She's a twin. Yeah she's one of. She's winning thing. She could be twenty. Which yeah I totally sear being twenty. But like she's just by herself like she's just twenty like there's no on this season at least other number. There's no number right. Yeah Okay Yeah I think that makes sense now. I don't understand why they're not targeting. Sarah and nick sooner clearly there. Because they're sneaky stripes and sneaky vampire only God yes. They are a pair. Yes that totally makes sense. How high is really cracked? The code here also. I feel like we've really need to institute nicknames on every single show from here on out like I don't care what it is American idol top chef. The voice. Like give me like name. I mean I would like to say like depending on the guest that we have on like we should institute shorthand for everybody week after week. When we're like you know let's talk about the move. That grudge made and whether queen saw has a chance to the end does institute our very own language for everybody. These these are the names. We now decide to call them. Well if if you all out there have any nicknames. I'm sure please send them our way. We are super receptive to them and speaking of submissions. Let's finish off this week on the BNB with how we in every week on the question of the Week. Of course the segment where we send out a question out into the survivor ethos when we get back a bunch of lovely and fund responses from the fans at large last week's question the week when we thought that. Tony had his maximum airtime for the season and talk about being fast and sloppy or than slow and patient. Used to worse to describe any survivor of your choice. And you know we've varied a bit in terms of the number but we stayed in a roundabout range. Let's start with John. John Three words to describe Russell Hands. Terrible Jury Management John. John that's going to get you blocked by Russell. Hands I think yeah. Did you see the thing on twitter with somebody got blocked? And then they lay tweeted out the the people that got more jury votes than Russell. Hands like survivor quotes X. Account where they post a really great account for any survivor fan to follow where they give out a bunch of different quotes from survivor periodically because they got blocked by Russell heads. They proceeded to post every single person. That has more jury votes than Russell. Hansen there ever career like fifty three people. It's amazing I love that Tomas says because Chris Underwood one after coming back from the edge of extinction this describing came in two words as edge Lord Count. The Edge Lord. Yeah let's take one of those. I don't think that means what you think. Danske says two words to describe Rodney three CS or after Tony. Apparently it's cool calm and quiet season A. Q. Or is just quiet. That could also be a nickname. It's quiet but with a C. C. Essay W I remember that's knicks like underhanded. Dick Dave see once they get rid of sneaky vampire. Parker Schindler says Thai Chicken Man. Shane crazy. Uncle ream ream daily and Joe Main. A- A- Tony. I love how I know. That ream dailies name is rimmed daily but also redeeming daily is also rim daily. Never thought I'd say the only name that's also a recommendation rule number one or whatever. It was ream daily. Alright Logan says Nora Salman is healthy and exciting or so much I mean personally. I would've preferred zesty thrown in there because I was personally one of my favorites from when she describes herself If we ever talked about this on the podcast by Leon. I don't know if you've listened to his deep dive Do you know the origin behind that. Finale that confessionals. She had in the finale where she described herself. Because it was your soup question right. It was apparently she said in confessional like I remember this guy asked me preseason about what by was and I described like I'm healthy and lively zesty and they sort of cut out the part where I ask a stupid question. And that's what made the episode by. That's amazing I've never been more proud like this. Parents must feel like when their child Bach. I don't know my my child is soon to walk. So I'll see if it compares to my soup question like sort of offhandedly getting referenced on a survivor Finales. Okay sorry zesty also. It'd be a great nickname if I would be hers and finally the Great Jacobs Weinstein. My two words are for Adam Klein willing to try anything and clever enough to use dashes to get around the two word restriction and yes those were all in dashes smart stay. Listen you've got to push the rules. Push the word count for next week so we saw this extortion advantage so something that we came up with for questioned the week. I want us all to put on our producer hats. Come up with an advantage around something. Illegal like -cribe like the mugging advantage or the embezzlement advantage. Because I'm still so mystified by this idea that I would love to see what other illegal activities code to see. Something are going to be able to show up on survivor reasonably speaking. The door has been blown open now. Guys like crime is apparently legal in Fiji on the survivor islands. As we now know and now WanNa see this taken to the Max I love the international waters that apparently Fiji as and when it comes to extortion Fiji going to have to put out some key essay. Afterthefact talk it's okay to travel to Fiji not be mugged. You will not be dealing with like embezzlement or extortion. We promised I I too. I remember when I was in college a totally random story but I do remember that one of the leaders of like our study abroad program always had this first session to introduce the study abroad program to students but she always treated it like it was like a scared straight program and she was infamously known for like every four sentences or so just emphasizes that we would be robbed like if you go to. This country robbed go to Europe. Robbed Australia robbed. That's what your civic yourself to this is why I she. I guess she wanted to make sure we were there for the right reasons to get robbed. Yeah STRAIGHT TO JAIL. Exactly just putting just turned away as soon as you get off the plane because it's pretty much gone anyway. We'll come up with the hashtag robbed advantage and a bunch of other stuff next week. Send us all your advantage. Ideas that deal with illegalities. You can always email them to us. Rha P. A. B. N. A. B. gmail.com use HASHTAG RHA on social media super excited for next week guests so it's super criminal to lose Sophie. Here I really do feel like she was playing a fantastic game truly a fallen angel next week. I'm very excited to welcome our most recent fallen Angel in survivor. The fourth place finisher from survivor island of the idols. Lauren Beck is going to be joining us next week to repack episode twelve super excited for Lawrence. She's a great personality. She's actually hosting her own Youtube series. That recaps island of the idols. This welcome back a bunch of survivor alumni as well. So I'm sure she has a lot of autumn AC- if there were any more uncut soup confessionals that hit the cutting room floor. Can't wait to hear it so excited for now. Aaron thank you so much for coming on you. Leave these of being be with forty. Plus thousand fire tokens a bunch of nicknames. And hopefully some stuff to take back to your grandmother and then some of our people who want to follow what you may be talking out there on the Internet. How can people follow you on social media and and give us some details about your about your new book about the astonishing life of August marked for People? Who might be interested in it? Yeah my my book is a comedic coming of age novel about a boy who was born and raised in New York. City Theater is published by Harper in early April. We had fun quarantine publishing but it's better. Everything's been going great. It's but it's a fun. Read for these times where you're doing nothing at home anyway. Might as well read. It's Breezy Little Fun Book. And then you can follow me on twitter. I'm Aaron Jackson. Eight five and on instagram garbage. Troll Ga all surprised that was. That was good now right okay. You've broken Mike. Go on this how much. I didn't realize that was just Garvey. All right well. I'm very excited to make sure you check out this novel guys. I've read a little bit and I have especially as a big feeder fed. I have very much enjoyed it. I believe it's available. Also in audiobook format is that right is that is correct. Yes Liana what do you have going on in the past week in podcast land? Okay so first of all before I give my plugs. I I have a request to ask of the listeners. So if you're still listening and if you have a twitter please at tweet at br no at Cohen Brian Underscore. That is Brian. Cohen Co host of the challenge. Podcast he and I are currently feuding and I would appreciate if you tweeted at him to please say that the BNB rules please spell it with a z. So how shock RHA P BNB rules. Which should we give a nickname to Brian? As well as they can use refer to him. Yes we should give him a nickname. Okay what would Brian's nickname let's see so he is a co host. The challenge wrap up. I don't know if that helps inform anything we could call him bonkers. That's where they're currently living this out. Since he loves Johnny Bananas You can call him like plan. Tain or itty-bitty Bananas Okay. Nickname not required. Just tweet tweet at Cohen Brian Underscore. Okay it's Brian. Cowen twitter and just tell them that the BNB rules okay. All that's my request. Even if like five of you do you have made my day so Other than that you can find me on twitter at Liana R. H. A. I am podcasting about the massacre with his and Vakili and we also took a little bit about flavor of love so this is me I think pushing to get him to watch it and then next week we'll probably have a little bit of our thoughts on it but anyway we also talked about the massing I think at some point and also drag race so brought welcome. Altamont adamant and you're talking about routes Paul's drag race and talks about the political episode this week so that should be up soon and look for that in your feet. Follow me at a Mike Bloom type. As I mentioned I did. My alumni interviewed this week spoke with Albert destroyed from survivor South Pacific about Sophie's game. I really really highly encouraging. Albert had a lot of really great about his thoughts on Sophie's game. How she did her second time around. How did you first time around? And the whole perception of the lower cheered winner stuff so check that out. Parade Dot com slash tag slash survivor. Also doing as per usual every week. The top chef recaps as well as my episodic lost rewatch podcast with Josh. Wailer did a couple of other scripted stuff. This past week I'm appearing on Hausky cast to recap the first ever episode of Riverdale. I've ever seen with Kirsten McGinnis and Mary could Hausky. It was God. Damn Dick euless But I really enjoyed it. So we get into everything in my My incredulity with the naming conventions on that show mostly going to be on the choir room. Podcast with Matla gory. Going on Edwin to talk about the season one finale of glee which was another show that is similarly felt very ridiculously. Went off the rails. I'm happy to connect back to two thousand nine Mike to see what he was feeling at the time. Oh my Gosh I can't wait. That's going to be good. I thought about watching the riverdale episode also because Digi new. Did you meet sweet? He I heard he was on celebrity drag race. He was he was indeed and he was a lot of fun so no sweet sweet. Tea was not in the male prison that archie found himself had a pickup football game. Man Talk about all the nicknames they can have their. Yeah what what. He met mad dogs. That's really one big one. She'd be take out her teeth for him. So if you have game suggestions are like the Great Robbie Biz did with the Tony. Tony quotes game. Absolutely send them our way. We are dame for Dame's of emailed in Tunis Rha P. B. NBA. Or if you have a small idea you can tweet them to us as well. We have our antennas up everywhere to pick up anything everything. I cannot believe. We're only a few weeks removed or approaching the end of this seat and this is coming very quickly down the line Like a fast hurdling trade but considering what just happened I cannot wait to see where we're going from here special. Thanks to Scott saint-pierre for editing all this behind the scenes or head writer Paul. Also send Wolfram America for his fantastic theme song. Aaron Jackson thank you so much again. Be on a great work as per usual. We'll be back next week with Lauren Beck from survivor. Thirty nine to breakdown episode of survivor winters at war for now. We'll check you out at your next day. Some day right off sounds as the R H. Hey peyton manning day and I can sell. You are three.

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Led by Merkel, E.U. leaders agree to major bailout package at contentious summit

The Daily 202's Big Idea

13:15 min | 4 months ago

Led by Merkel, E.U. leaders agree to major bailout package at contentious summit

"This daily to to podcast is sponsored by Nokia Nokia's helping. Drive Five G. FOR AMERICA POWERED BY NOKIA BELL LABS are innovations accelerate the nation's future. Learn more at Nokia. Dot Com slash open to more. We're doing a listener survey to assess our whole suite of podcasts, and we love to get your feedback to help us. Please go to Washington Post. Dot Com slash podcast survey all one word Washington Post, DOT! Com Slash podcast survey tells what you like what you don't and how we can better serve you again, Washington, post dot com slash podcast survey. Good Morning I'm James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily two Oh two Tuesday July twenty. In today's news president trump threatens to deploy federal agents to Chicago new. York and other cities led by Democrats Michael Cohen alleged in sworn affidavit that trump made violently racist and. Comments. And hundreds are camping out in Oklahoma's unemployment lines. But I. The big ideal early this morning European leaders agreed to a vast spending plan to rescue. The economies of coronavirus ravaged countries, overcoming deep-seated divisions on the extent to which rich European. Nations should commit to helping poorer ones. The deal on a two point, one trillion dollar budget and rescue package came after a marathon four days literally ninety hours of ending discussions among members of the twenty seven nation block faced with the prospect of the worst economic blow since World War Two the hammered out a compromise, our Brussels bureau chief Michael. Michael Birnbaum Berlin bureau chief Loveday Morris have been bird dogging would have been really fascinating negotiations overall Frisco breakfasts music French fry breaks late-night haggling the European leaders fought with one another using increasingly bitter rhetoric, but then they cut a deal. The main disagreement was between the leaders of a handful of self-described Frugal countries The Netherlands Sweden Austria Denmark and Finland and their peers over how much money should go to hard hit countries like Italy and Spain and how much oversight donor countries out of over how funds are spent. In crises, the EU is typically offered loans, not grants and demanded economic reform in return the frugal as the fiscally responsible countries call themselves wanted to keep it that way. The others didn't of course offering vision that would be a small step closer to a federal European Union that more closely resembles the United States. Where rich state subsidized poor ones to appease them the portion of grants, the deal kept getting trimmed down in the objectors were granted billions and billions more in rebates from their contributions to these shared E. U. Budget. There were tough tradeoffs because money was then coming in the Europeans are making deep cuts to projects, relating to healthcare and refugees in a big win for Hungary and Poland stipulations that tied access to funds to upholding the rule of law were rolled back in the final draft. Both countries have been censured by Brussels as their leaders have moved against their political opponents and stripped the independence of the judicial system. French president, Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel teamed up back in May propose five hundred seventy billion dollars in grants to respond to the contagion with the German leader, abandoning her held caution about handing her payers money to poor countries without asking for it to be repaid. Miracle called IT A. But a lot of analysts have dubbed it. Europe's Hamill, Tony Moment a burst of centralization that would forever hand more power to Brussels. On an ambitious plan react to the crisis, drew leaders together in person on Friday despite the risks as they attempted the biggest and highest level gathering of world leaders, since the pandemic largely grounded the world to a halt four months ago now. They had met by videoconference from their capitals, but diplomats say there's little substitute for face to face discussions to resolve sharp disagreements. Leaders began meeting on Friday with careful adherence to social distancing rules. Many wore masks. They went in a vast room built to seat, three hundred thirty people. Miracle was even photographed, admonishing Bulgaria's leader for allowing his mask to slip off knows. But then the masks started to come off. As the discussions devolved leaders, ambassadors and advisers huddled closer and closer together to examine budget figures in new formulas. Some smaller negotiation sessions took place on outdoor terraces and balconies were the risk. Viral spread is lower. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte in his frugal allies, said countries like Italy and Spain are to blame for pre pandemic difficulties that left him struggling to pay their way out of the current crisis route. WHO's up for election next year? And who's tough stance is good politics. Back home leaned hard into his bad cop approach with some accompanying theatrics as tensions rose late Sunday evening, mccrone French leader, thumped his hand angrily on the table and screamed at leaders, including Austrian chancellor, Sebastian, Kurz whom he derided for leaving the room to take phone calls, even though other leaders were speaking. It got tense, but then they figured it out. Miracle has been increasingly thinking about her legacy through all of this. She set to retire next year after sixteen years in power as undisputable, the most powerful leader in Europe and one of the greatest statesman or stateswoman of our time, her careful style is made her a dealmaker who will not be easily replaced leading some to suggest that she's trying to hand more power to Brussels to keep the balance of power after she's gone. and. That's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar. This Tuesday number one. Department of Homeland Security. Officials say they're making preparations to deploy federal agents to Chicago while President. TRUMP THREATENS TO SURGE US law enforcement personnel into other democratic led cities trump made that pronouncement, as he defended his administration's use of force in Portland Oregon where agents have clash every night with protesters and made arrests from unmarked cars, calling the unrest. They're worse than Ghanistan. It's not trump's rhetoric. Rhetoric escalated tensions with democratic mayors and governors who have criticized the presence of federal agents on US street's trump said he's looking at doing the same thing in Chicago and New York and quote other cities run by Democrats D H S has been making preparations to flood Chicago with up to one hundred fifty ice agents as part of a show of force in an election year. Normally politics is not supposed to drive law enforcement decisions, but here it is in Portland. Federal agents remained to defend the Mark Hatfield courthouse and other nearby federal buildings that protesters treated as a proxy for the trump administration in response to the President Calling Portland protesters, anarchists and insinuating that local officials were afraid of them. Oregon Governor Kate Brown Democrat said this is a democracy and not a dictatorship, and cried the feds for acting like secret police, abducting people acting secretary Wolf, and went on Fox News to attack local leaders, saying quote I. Don't need invitations by mayors governors to do our job. We're going to do that whether they like us there or not. DHS officials say their tactical teams in Portland had been flummoxed by protesters, using black bloc tactics to disguise their identities and working in coordination to confuse agents. One officials says protesters of the weekend arrived to the clashes, armed with leaf blowers, using them to disperse tear gas and direct irritants back at federal agents who were firing them? Meanwhile, D. H. is authorized its personnel. Personnel to begin collecting information on protesters, who they say threatened to damage or destroy public memorials and statues, regardless of whether they are on federal property that's a significant expansion of legal authorities that have historically been constrained to protect landmarks from terrorist attacks. Someone leaked a secret memo to our reporter. Shane Harris which refers to apparently ongoing federal intelligence gathering operations against American civilians. Number two. A book manuscript that's been drafted by trump's longtime ex-lawyer and conciliatory Michael Cohen alleges that trump often privately made quote violently racist comments about Barack Obama and the late South African leader Nelson Mandela and addition to disparaging Jewish people. Cohen's legal team says that his home confinement was revoked because of his planned to put out that book before the election, a new court filing that Attorney General Bill. Bar sent back to prison this month to stop him from talking the filings from Cohen's attorneys seek his immediate release from federal custody, following his rearrest on July ninth less than two months after he was allowed to serve the remainder of. Of his sentence at home because of the coronavirus, the lawsuit alleges that comes. First Amendment rights were violated when he was detained at a federal courthouse in Manhattan during a meeting with probation officers who asked him to sign a gag order prohibiting him from speaking to the media at all or publishing a book and tell the sentence was concluded cones. Lawyers say the document. He was told he needed to sign to avoid. Going back to jail was written uniquely for him by the Administration. The Justice Department says Cohen was taken back into custody because he refused to wear an ankle monitor. That's a claim. His legal team strongly disputes. Number three. John Jolly, never thought he'd be sleeping in his car, awaiting unemployment benefits, but there he was the owner of a once successful advertising agency, taking a sweaty nap in a Subaru station wagon in Tulsa Convention Center. Parking lot at one forty five am the other day. The pandemic, his business into a freefall, and now John wanted to be the first in line for an unemployment claims event beginning in five hours. He barely does afraid that. If you fell into a deep sleep, he would miss the early morning. Hand out of tickets for appointments with state agents. There will be just four hundred tickets handed out for that day's event when those ran out, there were before hundred more for appointments the next day. In Oklahoma one of our porous state's unemployment, which reached a record, fourteen point seven percent back in April has pushed many to the point of desperation with savings depleted cars, repossessed and home sold for cash. The backlog is created unprecedented delays. Thousands of people's claims have been pending for months. The Oklahoma Employment Security Commission staff has tried to combat these delays by holding mega processing events at large arenas in Oklahoma City and Tulsa with masks. Social distancing required so far. They say they've managed to help. Sixty two hundred people, but dozens more sat in that parking lot overnight with. John Jolly unable to get their questions answered through the unemployment, agencies overloaded phone system. Some said they were notified that their claim was denied as fraudulent. Shelley's while the interim director of Oklahoma's unemployment agency told my colleague any gallon that the state's systems are using get this. They're using a mainframe computer from nineteen, seventy eight, and that it was quickly in totally overwhelmed by the volume of claims. Nineteen seventy-eight many who showed up at the Tulsa Convention Center Navigating Government Assistance for the first time. Sarah Miller twenty nine years old. A single mother of three was told not to come back to her job as a nursing home aid after she experienced symptoms consistent with Covid, nineteen in March. Her unemployment claim has been pending since April twelfth. She says she's not the kind of person who would ever normally seek any help or handouts from the government. But she says she needs to feed her kids. And she says she's run out of all her other options. As the number of infected Americans surges to record highs. Trump's approval rating plummets. The president announced yesterday that starting today he's going to resume his five PM. Daily coronavirus briefings and get involved again in a hands on why with the crisis and a dark portents for US movie? Theaters Warner Brothers. Yesterday postponed the release of the Christopher Nolan, movie Tenet with cases surging no major new films are likely to be released in our country until at least September, probably later and Canadian truckers are increasingly scared to enter the united. States at all. Dan Carson an Ontario truck driver who has stopped making regular runs across the Detroit border says Americans don't seem to be taking the corona virus seriously enough. He doesn't trust the American government to do the right thing, and he just isn't willing to put his family. At risk. That's a remarkable indictment by our northern neighbors. And that's the daily to go to for. Tuesday. July, twenty first thanks for listening. I'm James Hillman. Stay safe. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Survivor 40 Episode 2 This Week in Survivor with Taran Armstrong

Rob Has a Podcast

1:15:24 hr | 10 months ago

Survivor 40 Episode 2 This Week in Survivor with Taran Armstrong

"The stock about to take a quiz so we can smartest we Value Yeah that's right. That was the sounds of will from America this week in survivor for episode number two of survivor winners at war. Very excited about this one today. Of course let's bring in the man. We could not do this weekend survivor without him. He is the creator of the this week in history quiz the gray Jordan Kayla Ish. It's it's a sad week when you finally get someone back from survivor Guatemala. You've waited years Scott almost half your life and then she's gone after two episodes yes survivor. Guatemala you've been talking it up for a year as the hype the hype machine out of control. It was the potentially the curse of the chicken that they After that ceremony Danny didn't even eat the second so it's not fair but I think in the end anyway Damn Okay. All right and now of course. We're very excited to have this person on with us to talk some survivor because he in addition to His duties covering big brother Canada. Coming up here in a couple of weeks. He has taken on a brand new undertaking talking about this season of survivor. Eight a new podcast coming Thursdays on the wraps. Let's welcome the robot here. He is the host of Karen's survivor. Update Mr Taryn Armstrong. Darren how are you? I'm great. I love that? The name of my podcasts gives away who I am before you're able to actually introduce yes. Okay Taryn Very excited to get to talk to survivor with you. I always feel like that whenever we have that Opportunity. I hear from a couple of people say boy. I'm glad I get to hear from Tarran. I don't do the big brother but it's so nice to hear from Tarran but now you're giving people away. They can hear from you every single week. Yes as a way to thank those couple of people yes okay. So now everybody can get their share of Taron with survivor and big brother going on Taryn so nice to have you here on this week in survivor history. They're very excited to Twi- shit up. Yes yes this is You know I feel like of a fun parent because you've never done this weekend so I have a history quiz before correct. That's not true so many on board climate once upon a time in Reno Reno in Reno Taryn is the the one twists guests to record from Reno that is not on winters at work. Yes taryn have you been targeted yet as part of the poker alliance as a person? Who's been Zarina? Oh I mean we'll find out we'll see if if people come from me after this podcast. Okay all right so Taryn I have enjoyed your podcast coverage of Tarrin's survivor update through two weeks of course Tarran does that show live. Do you have a regular time slot yet? Well right now. Big other candidates still not on. We're kind of doing it like a normal nine nine. Pm kind of time but by the by next week for next Thursday as in the one after this one it will be a little bit earlier. Probably around five o'clock or so. But if you follow me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn I will of course be tweeting it out and you can always find it on. Rob's a website DOT COM and. See what time it scheduled for and all that stuff one of the interesting things that Taryn is doing on his podcast. Is that in addition to a recap of the episode talking about a lot of the strategy going on that Taryn has invented a legacy ranking index. Allow the legacies of these survivor. Forty players are rug going up or down a little bit of a stock. Watch for the legacies of the survivor. Forty players. Sarah. Can you tell us a little bit about why you thought that and how that works? Yeah well I mean this is always been something. I'm really interested in. Is You know from season to season. Who's the Best Player? Who's the best winter? It's very very difficult. Nebulous concept to nail down. But I really enjoy the attempt right comparing people's games comparing people's winning games. What style of play? Better all that kind of stuff. So when it's an all winter season it's for me For many people even beyond just this reason but it's the most important season that survivor has ever had because it's the first real chance to cast twenty different winners against each other. It's the most direct comparison will probably ever get to make in history. And so the idea is that you know one players come back to play for a second time for a third time. It often can impact how we see them and winners in particular are the people who most standout in our memory apart from. Maybe like some some. You know other standouts from the season but it's usually the winter and we remember their game and we usually have an opinion on it and so Week to week. I figured this is probably a good chance that how we remember these players as winners how we've seen them for up to seventeen years or whatever that nineteen years or even more survivor. Numbering system can make confused sometimes But it's going to be changing and week to week. How is the episode impacting the audience's perception of the winners and their legacy? Do they change how they see them? Do they. Now see them as a lower tier winner a higher tier winner all that sort of thing and so So far we've seen a lot of movement which I'm really pleased about. I think that it's a lot of sort of reactionary movement and I expect that we'll see things start to like level out after we have time to sit with it but but in general. I think it's going to be something that You know we really see the winners. Play this game and And how they do is going to impact how we see them. Moving forward now. Jared how is the legacy ranking index compiled? Is this by the listeners of the PODCAST. Or do you curated it at all. So I so I I put out a survey on twitter and people can fill it out with all of the winners and they just choose are. Is this a legend tear winner in exactly a middle tier bottom tier and take those and I average them out? And I've been just showing the the audience's reaction and then I will sort of give my opinion on whether or not I agree with the move and so that's that's kind of what we're GONNA do moving forward. It's I think it's pretty fun. And did you start off with the fan? Rankings of the. Who is a you know certain tier of winner before the season started? Or did you start from your own baseline of where you thought people more in the first episode? I sort of gave my idea of where I thought they might be. And then following that podcast. I put out a survey that said. Where did you see them? Prior to the premiere. And where do you see them? Now after the premier so we didn't get like the cleanest cut from prior to this. But but I I think in general it looks like it makes sense and there was a lot of movement from just the previous to the season Opinions to the premier opinions. So we we have. We have three different sets of data so far so through three hours of survivor winners at war. Who were some of the biggest risers that you've seen heading into week three while we have seen You'll definitely come up a bit. He briefly made an appearance in the legend tear. Actually saying this episode right. After the premiere of the of winners are war. You will actually jumped into the legend tear. Which previously was poverty? Sandra Rob and Kim and so what happened after the premier is that came out of the legend here and you'll jumped into it however after this most recent episode he fell back down. He's kind of straddling the line. Right now So I think that depends on how he does each episode. We'll we'll see some some potential changes that he's definitely gone up a bit. We've also seen at work. We respond to that for. You'll that this is huge news to have made legend teary even just for a week Jordan. Yeah I mean I've I've always looked at you'll as a fairly legendary winner. Just based on the strength of the game that he played in Cook Islands but I think the problem is that he. It's a season that wasn't all that popular and it's also you know. There's a lot of controversy. That's that people talk about with his win because he had the super idol and he definitely did use that Subaru idol to get himself very far in the game. But I ve always been someone who kind of looks. Just at his skill as a persuader as a survivor player at the creativity. It took to use that that supermodel and become kind of a mob boss out there sort of doing it again now. So I've I've always kind of put him not in the you know with as it went with Sandra Boston Rob Poverty because I think they have transcended you know they've transcending just being players and is like the biggest characters to ever play the game but I mean I think someone that I'm looking at. Who's really impressed me and I was always impressed with her as a player anyway. But I'm this season. I think Sophie. Who's very closely aligned with? You'll is is one of the people who I really would bumper stock up just based on the last two episodes and if she continues to play the strong of a game so move up on that ranking as well yeah tarrant highs Sophie fared in the legend rankings. She has she has done quite well as well as she started out. In sort of Middle Tier winner category and she has actually climbed up to the top tier in the most recent episode. She's actually now just behind Kim's Brad Right. So that's that's like she got out Tony's ladder and went all the way up a couple good weeks. Congratulations Sophie the best player of all time. A couple more weeks of her in confessional. Talking about how bad was that the move for Sophie to go out there and then if she ends up talking about the other players just like knocking them down a few pegs on the legend. Here exactly yeah. She lives in doing you know. I think it's really hard for the one time players to really like before this season to really be on on the same tier as when we talk about. You know the three names in the in the ten years. I've been doing this podcast. It's Sandra and poverty and Boston. Rob I mean those. Those are the people that you know. We have not just had a lot of success on the show but it had like deep runs in multiple seasons. I think that you know just even coming into this season. I think I probably would have Sirri. Then as like the fourth person who has had like these multiple deep runs of course? She doesn't have the win that those other three should she? She should should but she doesn't. Sandra has to so I think she's probably if we're looking at like the back of the baseball card stuff for that. I think she's she's probably four. And then you get into other people and I think it's hard to place the prior to the season the Kim's annuals and other people who just had like a amazing run one time out so it does give us a lot of great data. We talked about Kim a lot. So far taryn. Just how bad have things gotten for? Kim In the legacy rankings. Is She has fallen behind. Four people from where she started. So you'll Tony Tyson. And Jeremy All Sebastian. Wow Yeah my mind. Indeed Cam not great. I really think look I. It's hard for me to look into episodes of survivor and say that that that Tim doesn't have the same legacy that she had going into the scheme. The reason why she's in the minority is because he played such a strong game in in one world. How dare you yeah? And yes is giving the hinted idled Sophie. Potentially a mistake. It might be especially when you have sophie saying it interconfessional that if she were in Kim spots you shouldn't trust her right now but it can also be the kind of thing where maybe she gives half idol someone in power so so if you start to think oh wait Kim trust me. Maybe I trust her going forward at least for the short term. And maybe if it becomes the kind of thing where the tribe split into two factions of the Tony Sarah Sanders Group and then like the UN Sophie Group. Maybe they're able to bring in Kevin. That's just another number for them so in the short term. I think it'd get. It could potentially hurt her. It could also definitely screw around. Maybe that would hurt her like I. It's it's I think something that I'm really finding so far at least is that it is. The people who have played multiple seasons are lot more stable. They see much less movement from episode to episode than players. Who won on their first? Try and haven't been back yet and it's something that we talked about on the podcast. That is basically. There's more data. There's more historical data for those people so individual movements in the episode is going to impact their legacy a little bit less. And whether or not you think Kim deserves to have her legacy tarnished to some degree at least I think the thing that I'm interested in is will it be anyway I think? Jt was a great example of somebody who had a really really fantastic legacy. His first time around had a poor showing in the second time he played in a lot of people were like. That was terrible. How embarrassing that. He gave an idol to Russell but then there are other people that said no. It was a good move. It just didn't happen to work out. He was really the second time. James Right man did him in but I think what I'm saying. Is that what you size over the course of time? Even after that second time there was some uncertainty where before a lot of people like very he's great and then by the third time when he again didn't do particularly well. I think there were some people that were like. Yeah that's actually not too surprising going happening here as villains. I think one of the more one of the most interesting things about this conversation. Also obviously there's you know Sandra is going to be at or near the top of the list. No matter what she does for the rest of the season because she's already won twice but after Sandra's first season I don't think anyone really considered her a legendary winner. I mean I think there are definitely people out there who were impressed by her wind. She did have a unique strategy that you know she was able to articulate as the as long as it's not as long as it's not be strategy but think it really took. Sandra winning twice to put herself in that conversation and I think it's really the combination of her two wins in the fact that she's the only two time winner that's really what puts her over. The top end makes her a legend. I think if you were to look at either. One of her wins by themselves. Every win is impressive. Anytime someone wins survivor. They're accomplishing what they set out to accomplish. But I mean she's never been someone who's really controlled every single step of the game which is usually what we talk about when we you know when we're trying to pick out the the and who the best winners are. It's the fact that she was able to do it twice. That puts her in the spot. So who's going to be the next Sandra who's going Soo- potentially when the scan it could be satisfied could be the first three time winner but who who is going to be able to win winters at war and was we'll see how that how far that is able to get them up on the list? Okay tear one last question about this We Danny voted out of the game. this week How much of a hit deed Danny getting voted out in this third hour of the show? Do how much of a hit to have on her legacy big hit kit. She started in the Middle Tier around sort of Middle Tier. She started to climb. Actually after the premier just a little bit but after her boot episode she actually fell all the way straight down to the bottom. So basically what we saw was that after the premier amber who was just above Ben at the bottom actually fell below Ben. And now we've seen Danny go down below amber. So ben is actually third-from-last now he's just surviving here. And we actually also saw natalie fall from the top tier to the Middle Tier after gun. Wow and again. That's another one word. We're Natalie had one of the best comeback wins in survivor history. And now she's on tribe with her best her biggest ally. Ever Jeremy. I mean it's to me. It's it's hard to not be targeted when you're in that position so I think it's a I think it's a fun. Exercise like looking at what the fans perception of the winners are when it comes to to their stock or how legendary they are as a winner. But I don't think it's necessarily fair to now say oh Natalie's just the middle tier winter because he was the first one voted off as it poop. Luoyang Tarrin's brewers. I'm not doing it and I think. I think that it's an interesting idea. I like I like Matarese. Bring him on for you to trash. His legacy ranking trashing the rankings. It's the it's the votes that control the votes. It's not it's really not meant to be a definitive tier ranking. It's meant to be a response. It's meant to be a measure of what the audience or at least our audience is thinking reacting to based on what they're seeing in the episodes. I'm sure and so that's where I feel like it's it's journ and I'm most curious to see whether or not this sticks like if we continued doing this throughout the season and then we do another one a little bit after the season ends. Maybe catch up on this every once in a while. We'll natalie stay down in the Middle Tier or will this sort of understanding that like. Hey maybe there wasn't much she could have done to be prevented her preventers being I out and so she come back from the edge and win. Whoa that's certainly that as well but I'm very interested in all of that one finds looming in the legend tear. We have seen a little bit of movement as well where poverty started out on. Top followed by rob and Sandra. We've actually seen that. Sandra has been falling a little bit and we actually saw rob rise up above poverty. He's been he's been on the rise. I think that people basically I think a lot of people saw Boston rob as okay took him four tries to win and he won against really bad competition on redemption island. So he shouldn't get that much credit but then he comes out on the island on winners at war and he's treating the winners like he treated the people on Redemption Island and it seems to be working so far and I think that this is sort of solidifying to a lot of the viewers. Okay maybe he is actually at least kind of almost as good as he appeared to be on Redemption Island. Yeah okay so We'll see how it goes. I think you should also put into the polls all the winners. That aren't there and then sort of like okay. They shouldn't be moving so we can. Now Oh no okay well. This person has fallen below Bob Crowley point. Somebody's somebody's into the Fabio zone gets arrested another just so we know like where the watermarks are for people that are like moving up and down. Just how low is Danny? Real has fallen here as she. Yeah she she down at You know the bad the bad places. I don't know I mean Danny. Get a fire joke in next week and then she could go up a couple of spots. Okay all right. I want to talk a little bit about the Scenario that we saw at tribal council with Rob and Adam and the bag I guess before we get to that. We should stop down on atom at Tribal Council and so we saw had having a little bit of an issue with getting his torch into the rights spot. This was a moment from the episode. It looked it looked like it was not was not a whole for Adam to get the torch into Jordan. Yeah well they say if it doesn't fit it probably doesn't belong there and I think he should've taken jeff probst advice in found found a hole that he could have actually put his torch. Yes okay Taryn you were talking about this on Thursday on on survivor. Recap about it possible was it. Is Adam getting into like I? Was this as Jamal would say. All a smokescreen was Tatham intentionally. Having these issues at tribal council us I it was also mentioned in Dalton. Ross's article from week one. I think the issue that Adam had at the first tribal council was his torch. Wouldn't light and this. This wasn't shown in the episode. But Adam storch he is. He's having a lot of performance issues with those march. I mean look. I think that you know Dr Mike. I'm here is is pretty good at torch management. But that's that's for adamant Dr Mike. But Yeah I mean I. Basically Adam had talked about how in his previous season he would do dumb things on purpose in order to make. It seem like he didn't know what he was doing. Like just going to drink some water without it being boiled I or whatever and people would have be like. No Adam. Don't do that and he'd be like Oh look at me. I'm so dumb. And so he talked about that as a strategy that he you know potentially intended to incorporate into the season as well and so the speculation is. What is he doing this on purpose? He publicly having trouble with something so relatively simple in order to sort of manage his perceived threat level and normally. I'm pretty skeptical about this sort of theory. But because he explicitly talked about it right before playing. I was I actually. I could see this being drew. I could buy this however based on what I've seen of like Adam sort of social media. I think maybe not the case. It seems like he's he's like making fun of himself about it. Yeah Jordan. What do you think about this? I mean I can see it because it's Adam I don't think it's necessarily the case that he is he's just playing dumb and I guess that he probably just couldn't find the whole didn't know exactly where the torch was supposed to go but I don't think you know the fact that it's Atta makes me think it's possible that he's playing dumb. I really don't think that's what's happening but I do think at the terminal. I do think though that is really impressing me with his game. This season where he went from being the first boots and now I think being in a very good spot. And it's try. Yeah he's come in unlike his torch really hot and has had to play very aggressively in this season It's been a lot of fun. To watch him go. You know it's interesting I I. I don't think that this is the case. I tend to think that a lot of times that the simplest answer is probably the right one hair that he just like Couldn't get the torch to light and then you didn't know where the whole was for putting the torture but it didn't really help Stephen Fishbach when he's like hitting the wrong targets in the challenges that because other people are invested in that or should somebody else like be going around and having like all of these like like Mr Magoo Klotz moments and nobody will think they're capable of doing anything well in that situation. Stephen was actively helping another tribe win a challenge. Right so yeah This was a little a little more neutral in terms of a gaffe here. Okay all right. Let's talk about the the dumping out of the bags at the tribal council. Because I think that that was really the historic thing from this episode. That we're GONNA remember for quite some time. Karen do you think that This will become a staple travel council of. Hey everybody. Let's dump our bags out. I think it's it's definitely possible to the point. Where maybe they'll introduce a new advantage called the tribal pre check. You don't actually have to open your bag You don't have to take your shoes off or anything like that. You're you have a free pass here. Okay I like that. I like that as you know if this 'cause I think about eighty-five fire tokens but certainly worth it. If you're in a hurry Jordan. Do you think that we'll see more players trying to do this? I would not be surprised especially since it's Boston rob at some something. That like few Sur- survivor. Forty one and forty two people or or watching. And then they're like Oh. I look up to Boston Rob. I'm going to do this and even though it didn't work I mean Adam and denise both had idols or half idols and nobody saw it. I think it's something that people might try to do. And I think the fact that denise and Adam are returning players they're obviously both people who've won the game and they're they're very smart they were able to conceal it. But maybe you'll be able to get a less experienced player by having them dump their stuff at tribal council. I I think it's a it's an interesting move. It definitely was the most interesting thing that happened at tribal council this week and it was almost a it was like a very aggressive form of what. Alan Ball Midge. Ab Hills AVEC DO Yeah so I think it's like it's like going. It's taking Alan Ball strategy in and taking it to even higher extreme you know. I don't remember where I had this question from. Tarran do you think that Adam and we've talked about you know whether or not you know heap potentially on the know it alls was giving too much information to rob a when he was saying. It's ridiculous do you think. Was He trying to divert attention from denise? We know that Adam Klein is usually of somebody who does not have the idol in his bag. He was one of the people who are really coined. The crotch idle terminology that it did not seem as though like the camera was just all in on denise is it possible was trying to divert attention away from where denise was. It's certainly possible but I don't know if it's the best sort of exchange here that if they catch denise with something then okay they think that they now know the denise is something but if he's making a big spectacle of himself in making it seem like he has an idol then the trade off is that now. They think that he has an idol which is theoretically the lesser of two evils. If if suspect that Adam has an idle versus they know that Denise has one but if you're Adam than you're probably going to be a little more self interested and you would prefer that people know denise has one then suspect that you have one so I'm not sure it's even a the greatest move if it was his intention. Yeah so much of this week turned into trying to get inside. Adam Klein's head and denise head about what's going on with the idols so denise this week had the opportunity to give half of her idol away to somebody else and so she had that conversation with Adam about maybe she should give the other half of the idol to poverty. Here's Adam setting up what's going on. The good news is denise has found immunity idol news is Ben because then is a wild card so in that conversation that we got the denise says we should give maybe half the poverty. How do you feel? I think that's terrible. Okay what a drop. So going back to the idea of could with denise trying some sort of like double reverse psychology on Adam. This is something that has come up from a few of the listeners. Did Denise really think it was a good idea to give the ISLETA poverty? I do think the niece thought it was a really good idea. And that Adam Dr. Out of it. Yeah that was the impression I got that you know. Apparently I think I've heard that Poverty and denise did have some sort of relationship on the tribe at this point and that she probably felt like this was a great way of drawing poverty in now remember when she found the idol with Ben. Ben said. Don't give it to me. Use it to pull somebody else in like use it as a tool to pull somebody in and so. I think that she probably felt like I already have Adam. Why don't I use this on somebody who I have connection with? But maybe not. I'm not super solid with so I can pull them in and thinking along those lines. She thought about poverty at which point Adam was like no. That's yeah I think one of the more interesting confessionals of the episode was denise after she found the idol with Ben where she said she actually trust Ben more than than she would have if ben asked for half the idol since we got that confessional about her thoughts with the idol relating to one player. And then I think we would have got the confessional about Adam if she was trying to use double double reverse psychology on him to try to gauge his reaction to giving it to poverty so. I think we would have heard that from denise if that were the case I think the nieces of very good survivor player. I think she's a very good winner. But good winners are and good players. Sometimes make mistakes and I think this would have been a mistake that she she would have made but luckily as seemed to be a pretty good team I think to people who could bounce ideas off of each other and this is what happens when you have strong. Lions people are able to talk you down for making bad moves okay and Taryn one of the things that I really liked that you were talking about on Thursday was that you felt like that Ben. In the way that he was describing the old school alliance had the feel of somebody who was a conspiracy theorist who might have learned that his theories actually were right that he was I went to go. See The sonic the hedgehog movie and I think they had a guy who was a crazy. Carl I forget who it was but that you you like the idea that nobody's believing Ben. Well I mean. I haven't seen the sonic movie yet. But Yeah my sort of theory on. This would be like if that guy. I don't know if this is his character but if he saw sonic but by the time he pointed sonic out no everybody looked and he wasn't there anymore because he's so fast and so then he'd be like no they're seriously. There's a blue hedgehog and it'd be like you're crazy. Why are you being so crazy? Crazy Pete or whoever and and he would be like no seriously and there it is again. That's right there. And then they look and it's gone again. That was ben hearing about the old school lions from Danny and then from views like you just said it old school that was that was it that was. I'm telling you this is the thing like what are you talking about? Ben. I don't think you know what you're saying. No crazy carl crazy. Carl is character in the sonic the hedgehog movie okay. So after. That was very fun. Also okay we also I I know you have the legend ranking poll of the of the legendary wins. We have our own R. J. P. R. H. A. Pollster twitter account going asking some questions of the listeners. After each episode we did pull the audience who is playing the best game so far and I thought it was a interesting that we had such a runaway forty percent of the audience the people who took the survey said one person Jordan. You have any idea who it is. My guess is just based on the fact that to me. It's between two people. They're both in the lions together but Sophie is now the one who has half of an idol and I think we did see a lot more of her this week than we saw. You'll it's at least one account came to strategy and not breadfruit. I'M GONNA say. Most people said Sophie selfie forty percent forty percent of the audience of polled said Sofi Twenty one percent. You'll and then Ataman Boston Rob Ten percent we asked the audience which cops are us. Three Point Zero outcome is most likely Sarah Betrays Tony. Tony Betrays Sarah or neither Tony nor Sarah turn to each other or turn on each other. Taryn what do you think is the most likely outcome predicted by the audience? It has to be Tony betrays there. I mean they the whole portrayal of them coming back together. Cops ARE US was like. Hey remember the time. I betrayed you in the salon. Sarah's like Oh yeah but hopefully. That's not going to happen this time because I know who you are right. And he was like totally and she's like well as long as it stays secret. We're going to be fine and it really felt to me like they're setting up. Tony Outing the Alliance and somehow getting Sarah voted out or maybe even actively betraying her so the audience who voted forty four percent said was most likely Sarah Betrays Tony at some Paul. I I don't know just this whole thing. Cops ARE US three point zero. Karen. Just how creatively bankrupt is. Hollywood to have another sequel. Cops ARE US three point. Oh can we come up with something? Original Look Rob. This has been going on for a the buddy cop. Two movies have been very popular throughout cinema cinematic history. And you know when when Tony is a lead character. You can't go wrong you just use throw as many titles. Adam as you can. Maybe they locked into a contract inserters milking what's a worse idea cops three point. Oh or bad boys for life well. I'm liking cops arrest report if it means that tone is able to get farther in the game then he would without Sarah. I like it I would say. That's the better idea than bad boys for life. How many that This is the third one I two. So who's who who's Who's Martin Lawrence? And who's Will Smith you think I've seen that voice for an ordinary. I mean I like will Smith better than in Lawrence. Tony's vote Smith. Okay all right if you say that Tony based on a little bit that I know of the bad boys franchise. I think that Tony is more of the Martin Lawrence. I know nothing about this franchise. I'm just going by which ones I think is is a better actor. Yeah I think it will. Smith is more of the By the book bad boy and then Tony is more of the Off-the-wall wild man Martin Lawrence. Yeah so this is like the the llamas strikes back. Yeah I think Sarah sort of like the straight cop in Tony's the bad cop crazy he's on probation. She's the probation officer. I think they're both police officers But maybe he's on the brink of being fired like the chief of Police. F- Lachey in my office. Now Oh my God I had no idea you know. I don't play by the rule book. I you time after time. You keep this guy on a short leash or you all. Have you guys work in the Jaywalking Crosswalk? Oh my God. Please give us one more chance and that ladder I saw was a violation of every safety protocol that we have on the fourth had the handover the construction worker permit amazing that. No one stole Tony's tools when he was making his ladder. Because that's apparently what happens when you have tools you turn around and it's gone. Yeah that's one of the issues. Okay all right. Oh One last Tony Question that we survey the listeners. Will Tony's ladder be the craziest? Tony Moment of the season Taryn. What do you think that the audience said? Tony's ladders that going to be the craziest Tony moment of the season. How what part if you have a sense of. What percentage of the audience thought that? Maybe that was going to be the craziest Tony. Moment of the season. Like less than ten percents seven percents. That would be the craziest Tony Moment of the season. All right I feel I feel good now. Yeah we're not going to be emboldened by the fact that he did not die houses Gal Alive. He's going to be emboldened by the fact that he didn't die in the ladder. We see him in the previous for next week holding a shark running around with the sharks so that could potentially end up being crazier and then the fact that he has already eclipsed the the amount of time that he was in survivor. Game Changers I think you really feels like the longer he's in. The game is kind of like the Costanza where you just The longer that he's there the long that he can make an impression with people he stays with people that are going to like him more and more and he's going to be able to get crazier and crazier to the point. Where he's making spy shots and spy bunkers again and talking Lama. I think we're GONNA get full full on Tony. Amer giving it more and more as the episode episode role on not to mention who could even imagine what he's capable on of on the edge of extinction. I think I think we need to be worried for Tony's health. I think that the pattern here is that what we saw from. Tony and his original game is that he did whatever wanted strategically and he never got punished for it. You never got voted out. And he won the game so then he came back to game changer and he can do whatever I want. And we saw the tragic results and now the same thing is happening but with his physical safety. He's making ladders and he's climbing and he's like Hey. I don't have to invoke the latter clause in my contract and so I think he feels like he can do anything. And you won't be punished for it. You won't die. Tyson with the ladder clauses At some point. Okay all right. I anything else that you wanted before we start to get into social media this week Taryn I just Check out the PODCAST. It's a fun all right. Well we got a lot to do here. You don't have to go get until plugs yet now. Look you asked me for a thing. Okay all right all right. So let's go ahead and get into everything on a busy week over on the survivor. Social Media. Let's bring in the Great Jacob. Sager Weinstein there my messiah. They're better than Tony. Whiskey Private Messiah thing in this episode. I don't so but it does right and it was breadfruit right now but he did say Papaya again. They had papayas doc young. I don't think that Tony has learned. The new staples of Fiji also is private. Messiah thing anywhere not. I don't know I thought he was gonNA arrive it with Kasai that would that would make even less than okay. We can look it up on the urban dictionary. Private Messiah could be Caitlyn. Harmonised I think so Taryn so the Big Story of survivor social media that none of us could have seen coming heading into this. Season was the force that you'll Quan has been across all the major social media platforms. Yeah he was like. Hey I'm just gonNa make one of these social media things I don't know what I'm doing and then he just Kinda like oh man I just. I'm so I'm so good at this. Everybody's loving my my stuff. What a coincidence. Yes it was not unlike when Taryn Armstrong joined instagram. Ch- yeah yeah I mean that was the strategy You look you and I think share many qualities. Yeah so you'll really. He did not have a lot to do in the episode but even that could not slowdown. Yul. Kwon on social media. When on February nineteenth he tweeted simply breadfruit. Yeah which then went on to have almost two thousand likes and thirty five thousand one hundred sixty retweets for your Quan who then? I can't believe this was my most popular tweet. Ever the twitter verse is such a weird. Actually almost responded to that tweet because it's actually so true like I will spend five minutes typing something that I think is really clever and then I'll tweet it out and like crickets I'll type like oh man. Tom Green is so funny and like boom explodes. It's my most popular tweet. It's pretty atrocious. Yeah Okay so you'll is really killing it with all the with all of the breadfruit. I had like an instagram post. Where he was calling out Nick Wilson for not looking him directly in the eyes. He's got off so much content about the breadfruit so that you'll ability is to make something out of nothing including this potentially inappropriate tweet that he says everybody seems to be having a good time except for me. I think this might have been because I couldn't sit up straight because dot dot dot as he is like lying face down in the ocean Jordan Rodham found a bad hole. Yes yes what's going on here? Well I think he heard about what a Boston is making. Do on the other try. They're all like they have to take everything out of their bag of tribal councils. I think he's just concealing an idol. Okay all right God idol perhaps. Yeah okay all right then Kim Spradlin you know she is falling on Tarrin's legacy ranking chart of that. She tweeted that rob worse than the. Tsa talking about emptying out your bags from Kim Spradlin Wolf. Also that's why you need the pre check. That's why you need the pre check absolutely and then also Kim Spradlin Remarked that nicest Texan in the world wasn't easy but I did it. You're looking at her. So congratulations she's wearing that title that so he gave her as the nicest Texan in a world. Ethan has also been very prolific on social media that he has a really been posting different scenes from old seasons different scenes from this season. He posted a couple of times about this clip dude. He sucked today that he also was posting about this scene from the episode. What is your conversation with rob the other day? He said he wanted to stay old school. Strong short conversation. You know he's mean. Yeah so very funny Ethan Moments But it seemed like that Danny boat right took some exceptions to Ethan's posting of these moments responded on Instagram said and at Ethan's on why don't you share the real truth of what went on before what is happening here in this clip or you just throwing me under the bus again. Hashtag saying Shrug Emoji. The truth will be told. After the season one hundred emoji fist pounding Emoji and then Emoji with like a like bashful face and then my hands by the side of. I don't really know what that one. Yes they even have. Emojis Danny was on survivor. The last time so it's amazing that she's she's a delivered user of them and why if anybody knows about telling stories after the season is over it standing yes she also so yes that's right and also she said further down Loads of story. That happened before this fact would have shown why I was scrambling and one hundred percent emoji. So shaken So I noticed in reading. Some of Danny's response is Jordan. She loves the one hundred percent EMOJI. That's her favorite emoji scan emoji. She's a lot really emphasizes that this this statement in particular is one hundred but maybe previous ones were maybe ninety. Eighty announce yes. There should be other percent emojis. I think yeah so Danny says that she has a real story to tell after this season Taryn and so we'll have to wait until we The season is over. She says she has a lot to say about. I guess you know the edit is not always what it seems. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I liked the story. She told after Guatemala at sounded cool. She didn't she didn't fly under the radar. That story. I I didn't trust the producers so she didn't want to say anything about her game in which he was doing and so there was actually a lot more happening behind the scenes. That makes that makes sense. Because that if you have if you have a plan you shouldn't tell the producers the plan now so you are you. Are you telling me that survivor? Guatemala could've been even more interesting and compelling that. Yeah that's that's the class I don't know if it's possible possible. What about Boston rob? Should you tell him what you WANNA do? I don't know yeah I mean it's I don't know I feel like if he's asking you. Yeah I don't know maybe you tell them I feel like that's sort of. That's what I've seen at least okay. All right so we'll see we'll see if Danny versus Ethan. Or anybody else starts to bubble up again. Speaking of Boston Rob and dumping out the bags. had a good response when somebody tells me to empty my bag at tribal council. She has the a a Gif of Hankas area as brock. Meyer giving the Middle Finger to do if Boston Rob told her to dump out her bag. Yeah interesting response from a cop to cease Andrews reaction. Yes I think Sandra we're just not play along at all she'd probably just just like Like shut up. Yeah you would think so. You would think so. Even if she didn't have anything. Yeah did you catch the The conclusion tools Why am I not sitting down? What was the final answer? Although there were four options yes breadfruit excited by. Tyson's main there was in his crotch and then the real answer he says Needed Preparation H. Barely walk much less spite lots of advice. He couldn't master the art of the Aqua. Okay too much information. You'll that's an over share the very free you know. This is new to him over. Share their for for. You'll yeah T. bird. She couldn't watch the episode. This week can't watch survivor winters at war until tomorrow trying so hard not to see any spoilers. Just hoping that my at Ethan's on at Wendell holiday at Jeremy to call that Adam Scott Klein goofy Gal one one seven one Edinburgh and bitter nap Lan sided at Jeff. Probst that survivor. Cbs and and none of them. No she didn't mention Titus Tyson should've socially episode. She's better better. Watch OUT NOT MENTIONING TYSON. Talking ABOUT SPOILERS. Taryn is that the best way to avoid a spoiler to Tweet a bunch of people and he's ever twitter account That you're not watching. Well I think the it's it's an effective way. But the more effective ways to tweet people insulting them and asking for no spoilers. That's that's the best way to go about it. But you know she came close okay. Australian survivor all star Nick. Danza said if someone attempted to initiate a widespread bag dump a tribal council. All it would do for me is throw further suspicion that they are the one with the idle because and try to follow me here hockey. It's just okay Jordan. What do you think of legendary? Wish Guest Nick. Danzas theory of whoever smelt. It dealt it. I think it's a it's a real would be a really good idea for the person who has the idol to be the one to pull this off because if they know that everyone's opening the bags if they had this plan going into tribal they'll put it somewhere else they'll either put it in. There had earned their soccer and their crotch. Wherever so in this Situation Boston. Rob Was not the person with the idol. But I think that Nick has a has a point here and I could see you suspecting the person who makes dump their bags having as having the idol. If you're someone who has one like I if you if you do have an idol in your hat or even worse in your pocket. I don't know if opening up the forum to be like all right. Let's search. Our bags is the best idea. Because you might think I'm so clever. We're all searching our bags and it's really in my pocket but then after you don't know how thorough people are going to be. After searching the bags they might be. Oh so let's turn our to and now who's laughing? I don't know if you WANNA start that chain of events. Yeah all right. What's next cavity? Search tie that that would not work well for for. You'll know you'll maybe that what happened to him. Mayfield okay all right and then finally one last one Jason Gates. Of course the brother of this weekend's birthday girl Shannon Goss had a tweet about Tony. Do you want me to talk ladder to you. Also hashtag chaos cast is a ladder. I would like to add to that somehow. That does that. Make Spencer. The young ladder Aaron Robertson. I are currently writing on a sign. Guy What does the latter say? Okay there you go. Sure plenty of Tony's ladder songs coming up in the one-off this week so Be on the lookout for that of course Before we get to some of the this week in survivor history quiz. Let me take a moment and thank a sponsor. This episode of the PODCAST. Those are our friends over at Brooke Linen. 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The whole time is just you got more points in the in the first round so we have another set of questions here Taryn has taken on this week. Yes and I'm going to read the categories for you. Let me get. Tarrin'S BACK STORY ON SURVIVOR. Trivia Tara Tara. How do you grade yourself as a survivor history? Buff if if my big brother. Trivia knowledge is a ten than my survivor. Trivia knowledge is probably a hundred emoji. No it's it's too emoji to Emoji. I've I've seen all of the seasons multiple times but do not remember it nearly to the extent that I do like brother also I feel like that you have to load so much into your brain for every like parent season of big brother that I feel life. There's probably a lot of stuff that you are not accessing regularly that just gets overwritten. Yes very much so okay. I'm also terrible remembering names in general Okay all right so Jordan. What do we have in store for today? Okay our four categories. We have temporary immunity Dude Amazon women and almost a perfect game and tarrant as the guests. You get to choose the first category. Almost a perfect game okay. So we're going to survivor Fiji the episodes called. It's not thrive if it's not survival it's thriving from February twenty-second two thousand seven. Thirteen years ago. Earl Cole swept the Fiji jury and only had one vote cast against him for the entire game. Who cast this vote at the Third Tribal Council of the Season Costing Earl perfect game boy and as you can get the multiple choice options but then you'll only be able to earn one point if you go for to rob conceal point? If you're wrong all right can I? Can I get a multiple choice? Okay was it a Erica. Derogato- be Rita see Sylvia Kwan or d. Jim Joyce was it. Was it read it. It was and you get a point Rita one at one of the first of contestants ever met during during. Here's versus villains The R- the Rupert boot episodes he was he was there at the viewing part anyone to There's also I am at back so yes. Rita is very very nice woman. She you voted for Earl and picking up all those names you dropped on the floor Jordan. We don't get to hear a lot. Americans are associate or Soviet client. And then Jim. Joyce was not even a survivor player. He was an buyer who blew a Galarraga's perfect game day. We said Jim Choices. Like which trap was he on not to be confused? Jim Lynn from survivor. Yes Okay Rob. You get the next category. We have temporary immunity dude. Amazon Women Take Amazon women. Okay women we're going to speak survivor. This is this is like you need Adam to tell you which category to take you told the needs not to give but luckily with as you'll see from this question rob was not on the same beach is one of the night in. The episode is called storms from February twentieth. Two thousand three seventeen years ago. Who through who? I threw suspicion onto Janet. Cough that the Granola bar wrapper belong to her Not necessarily an easy question for even for someone on that is yeah I I will say that it was gene so maybe it was an easy question for someone on that season. Yes two points two Jean. I think they all thought it. But the first person I see really throwing it out there as as the culprit Louis Jordan. Does this because really gets the audience very riled up about shorted? Kale issues ability to run the this week in survivor. History with well I think I think my best case scenario here is being the rob goddess of of survivor this week and whatever history l. Man I messed it up to town you Taryn did have the first choice of category and it is fairly clear that that was going to Amazon question. But also I definitely wouldn't wouldn't have gotten that one right now and get yours right so it's it all worked out but rob does does get two points there and Taryn. It's your question again and we have temporary immunity and dude. Let's go with temporary immunity. Okay we're going to survivor Palau. The episode is this has never happened before from February seventeenth. Two thousand five fifteen years ago which two players won the individual immunity necklaces at the start of survivor. Palau guaranteeing that they wouldn't be Jonathan in Wanda Man Can I get this? I feel like I might need. I think I'm GonNa need a multiple choice. Okay was it a at Tom. Westman and Kim Mullen be Tom. Westman and Jolanda Jones see in Rosenberger and Mullen. Deion Rosenberger Enchilada Jones Latte. What was the last one in Rosenberger? Angela Jones I think it's that one you're correct and you get another point there. The game is tied to to to. I and ROB has has one question left. Yeah Ian both got immunity in the first episode but it was really only for the draft in July and ended up getting voted out there in later in the episode of Tribal Council. So rob less one is dude and your guest. This week was rimmed alley. We're going to the edge of extinction. The episode is it. Smells like success February twentieth. Two Thousand Nineteen one year ago. Besides her jury vote which sent sorry. Let me start that over. Besides her jury vote which went. Underwood ream daily. The greatest I boots in survivor history. Don't ask me has only cast one vote in her survivor career who holds the honor of being the only person that read his cast a vote against believe it was Kelly Wentworth. Yeah Kelly went. Worth is correct. They really didn't get along there in that in that first episode of edge of extinction. Sarah you have a perfect points going in to the final round. Attaran you can catch and as I may have hinted before. Rob Was thinking that a survivor. Guatemala IS A. It's a fall season. How could we? Be Touching survivor. Guatemala but if you last week you know that we talked about survivor. Send Mondale served. Because Natalie was voted out We are going to be talking a lot about survivor. Guatemala for his final round robin. I sent you some terrible. I decided I'm going to be a little bit lazy on this game. I'm not even GonNa read the questions to you. I have a special a special guest. Who's going to be reading the questions rob? I've sent you a bunch of audio clips. I would like you to play the clip. That says intro. Okay all right here we go Jordan Kayla is. He's got something going on here. I'm GONNA take a nap all right. So here we go. Uh Let's let's start. Hey it's brand carden from Sir Robert. Guatemala robber history. I've baited Jordan into letting me ask you questions about our survivor. Guatemala Queen Danny Boat. Right Jordan might be gold but you know I'm platinum. Okay all right all right so the way that this works. Brian is going to be asking the questions. He's going to be answering the questions after you guys are giving me your answer. So Taryn as the the person who's trailing here you get the first question so rob. I want you to play question number one question. One portion of Guatemala Danny was a member of a just in the room. Be Just Your Shah. See both Nicole. And you shaw. This is for Darren. I'm GonNa say see both your the answer up okay. The answer is C. Both Nicole and Danny was a member of Nicole for the first travel council. The season which Jim Lynch was voted. How eight one. That enjoys the same vote tally. She was on the wrong end of this week. And when there's a war she wouldn't return to travel council until the famous Blake Towels Li boot as a member of yasha catch later Golden. Boy Okay. Yeah that might be that the the episode. Where is you know trying to throw people off the scent of the idol? Those are probably my two favorite episodes of survivor. Guatemala Rob you afford to three lead. It is your question so you get question number two okay. All right question number two about survivor. Guatemala from a great Bryant Cardin questioned to Danny correctly voted for the person voted out at a the Gary. Hauge boot be the Jamie Newton Gook see both of those boots okay Well Gary Played His idol. Wish she one of the people that were going to vote against scaring. I'll say I'll say just Jamie Newton all right play. Play answer to okay. The answer seeing the only travels were Danny voted for someone other than the player who went home were the first draft of the merge which she couldn't bring herself to turn on allies. Brandon and Bobby John New only reason should turn on Gary was as well the writings on the wall. So she sent. That landscaper back to Michigan. Yes she she was on the right side of both of those votes for. I think actually voting for Gary. Who was probably her. Biggest ally in the game is what ingratiated herself with. Some of the other people left on the tribe and that's what was what allowed her to get farther in the game and eventually win. So what happens here? Rob Still have a four three. Lena Karin. If you get the next question how right you are tied. Rob Doesn't answer any more questions here on this round. Because he's got a question wrong. That is the rule US. Attaran if you get one we are tied and if you get the one after that right you are the winner so really on Wednesday night you know my complete buzz of euphoria. Oh poverty is staying. Oh this is great. That Danny went home instead of poverty. If I would've known that by Sunday I'd be immersed a drowning in survivor Guatemala. Honest where does this five? This five usually go and when I when there is an excuse to talk about Guatemala ICED. I tend to talk about it today. You get question number three. Okay all right here. We need to get this right to To stay alive question three unfortunately Danny was part of a coalition. I voted meow an episode six Guatemala. Who Else voted for me at the tribal council which I went home a amy. O'hara be Brennan bellinger. See both amy and Brandon turns like When sequester becoming bad I would feel both of them because I feel like it was a it was like it was unanimous. Vote Right Well I don't know but let's lets you would rank us all right. That's all I'll say that. So what answers at c? Okay both I feel like it's too many season or other. You're both amy a five one vote in which the three of them plus Gary Imbaba. John all voted for me so much for bleeding gash on blue. Thanks Guys Yeah Okay and Taryn. If you get this question right you win the game. I if you get it wrong we go to a tiebreaker. So rob play question number four. Okay all right with all due respect to Brian Corden. Who's done a great job here? But we really you know. We're very far in the weeds right now. These are not easy questions. I will give you that. Honestly one of my favorite cities tired Dr. John. Lewis and Brian was one of my favorite players on the season right. I mean like we're we're we're coming up with stuff that you know that are we in like double digit people. That know the answers to these questions. Okay Question Four Danny. One are criminally underrated season. Earning spot on winters at war on these jurors who did not vote for her to win survivor. Guatemala a Rave Judkins being Lydia Morales. See Bobby John Drinker a Rafe Robinson. Did I have a question because you got the question wrong? The rule is that if you get a question wrong tearing us to answer. I'm so I'm I'm I'm beside myself because Danny screwed him over and now he's in charge of the the wheel of time adaptation on Amazon. I know these thing yes well. Let's let's see. Brian will read the answer. But let's see. Rob was actually just like buying three dimensional chess here and trying to put the wrong answer. Entire set dancers a rape junkins all the other. Six Jurors voted for Danny over Stephanie La Rosa but I one hundred thousand dollars. They're going to get a lot of flaming. Yawn Pizza G G. There you go. Hey Karen wins the game. Five to four merged stay this weekend in survivor. History Quiz is over. You'RE GONNA disrespect. Brian Corden like that he comes toward is great. Bryan coordinator is great. But this was Survivor Guatemala overload. I think if you were to put me in the winter rankings of this week in survivor history. I'd probably be down at the bottom without much luck. I got questions. Yeah getting the Guatemala questions. Okay saying you. Bergen Nicklaus. Yeah I got it. I got immunity. Basically okay all right Jordan. You've decided to break format on the quiz this season. I think that's a terrible. He don't like the format though. I think it's best for winters warmer that we're we're doing trivia about the winners who get voted out and I may switch back. You never know like I'm a wild card. I'm like that I'm also like entry. Bergen so Taryn another game that we like to play. Who's WHO's the first survivor winner. You've followed on twitter Tyson. Yeah correct okay mic. That you're asking a same answer. Is Jessica lease? Actually Tyson was also the first winter. She followed yeah and we don't think that too. Many winners are going to be on twitter. I think you're gonNA find that. Most People's answer is going to be Tyson. I mean it might be some people that join twitter like in the last like five or six years. It might have follow like Sandra or rob but most have been on twitter for a while. I'm going to say Tyson Kevin Martin. He's Big Brother Winner Who Else Oh Tony. Zara also a winner at life. Yeah that's all right. Second was second one or evolving twitter. Yes all right Taryn. Of course that if people wanted to check out the tarrant survivor update what should they do this week? I make sure you tune in on Thursday at around nine PM Eastern speaking of Kevin Martin. He should be joining me to talk about survivor winners at war. So Tune in for that. Of course if you want to participate in the the legacy watch than stay tuned on twitter at Armstrong Tire and you can follow me there. I will tweet out the survey as soon as the episode ends and you can give your immediate thoughts as to how that episode just impacted the legacy of each of the winners and then we'll go over it the following night and it should be a lot of fun okay all right. Of course Jordan is on is on twitter. You follow at Kayla anything else you WANNA I mentioned Jordan I think You know I got an episode of curb tonight got better call. Saul coming back so I'm busy busy. Man You gotTa Watch. Tv Yeah and I think here's my prediction. I think people are going to to light this final round. Just like they liked it last week when I broke format and talked about survivor. San Juan del Sur. And an all start. So we'll see last week. You gotta season that you were on in the final round. So I'm not I'm not. I'm not just gonNa feed sometimes bro Guests. Sometimes it's pro complaining that the questions worrying geared towards me specifically complaint is that the questions are not geared to anybody but you Harris correct on all all of his final round questions and he knows who the first survivor. We've on twitter. All I'm saying is that that perhaps that if you're saying that we have you know we have already completely done any sort of like answerable questions for the audience may be twist has run. Its course that so. That's what I'm positing to you. I this point I will find more answerable question. I think these were mainly answerable. There was an answer. There was a question where retriever Aus. What's the answer and to Erica? To roadshow is one of the fake answers. She wasn't even on that episode. She had been voted out already. So yes I am pulling some people. I think I also mentioned. Kim Mullen is one of the fake answers. I'm one of these so yeah we're talking about people we don't get to talk about all the time who cares. Who Cares? Who Cares is exactly my point that I think also did some guessing the first time around so I don't know if it's really changed all that much for me. Okay all right so Jordan. Thank you for all the hard work that it does not go. Unnoticed Uruk okay. All right we've got still a whole lot of survivor to talk about this season. We're back with the survivor. Know it alls as well on Wednesday night. I just kicked off doing these survivor. Pre-game Shell on Wednesdays's well so if you are a Patriot you could join us at six forty five pm eastern that for more information over to rob his website dot com slash hatred. Take care everybody a good one I

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The Interview - Turkish Lira: A Recipe for Disaster?

Adventures in Finance: A Real Vision Podcast

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The Interview - Turkish Lira: A Recipe for Disaster?

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We start talking about. The global macro and specific about Turkey. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I. Head of portfolio. Management and macro strategies. Record Currency Management previously I remain a absolute return currency fund for over fifteen years. What I'm done is bring my currency for Return Fund under the umbrella of record. And we've also started a macro fund. It on July one. And I was just also say before we start that the views here are the views of the macro strategies unit, not necessarily all of record currency management we have a number of different portfolios that we construct. And manage for various clients of these are for the currency for retirement macro strategies read. So let's talk about first of all, how you see the world, the macro settle and was tune indies. You've seen in huggies thinks things play out. Look. I. Think. Mike, as we discussed yesterday in in the pre call. The key thing. To look at in in the way we structure the portfolio. Is We look at what's happening on a long-term basis on both macroeconomic geopolitical framework. And we've developed a number of proprietary scorecards and methods to analyze that framework in from their look on a more short-term nature as to how best to express that view. What instruments? Where what country what Prox-. In doing that we came up with a number of different trades in emerging markets being Turkey others being South Africa and Brazil in when I shared this with role we thought there should be a good point to kind of discuss where we are now in the world and how he came to these conclusions and perhaps how to express these views. And I think one of the overriding factor is recognizing how howie came into. Two Thousand and twenty. and one of the key themes was that we've had an explosion. In debt. Where debt as a percentage of GDP. Has Risen from about one hundred percent in nineteen fifty. To Two hundred and twenty percents coming into two, thousand, twenty, the pandemic or covid nineteen really was a catalyst just know viruses exposed the weak points just as you're playing a game of checkers, you're playing a game of chess and you have A. A night running around unsupported or open up a whole winner checker position. The virus opened a weak spot in the global economy. in one of the studies that we came across very early. Was a study I believe that you cal Irvine that the San Francisco Fan ticked up. And if you look at pandemics going back over multiple centuries. You see that endemic tend to depress real rates of return for prolonged periods of time you know ten plus years. So I think. When when, when you look through that and you think about what's happening now in September two thousand twenty, you look at the response from the central banks and from the fiscal authorities and you look at some of the contemporaneous data. In context with how we came into this crises. I think we're at a turning point now where the dollar is going to rally. The dollar is not going to lose its reserve currency stands anytime. if you look at the spreads between mobility indicators in the US and Europe. Are Moving in the US as favor right now, the e C B. This week is likely to recognize the strength in the Euro in downward impact on inflation. In addition to some inflation indicators, we've seen come out over the past few weeks. the US election now has the race has clearly tightened where I think it's more likely that president? Trump. Wins. The race is little unclear what happens in in both houses of Congress? and I think if you look at the positioning indicators. Clearly, they're slanted to people being short the dollar and long euro. Now, if you take this in context of the emerging markets. It's amazing to me that despite the dollar's weakness, many of the emerging markets have not rallied. So if you think about if the dollar rallies and you have structural weaknesses in some of the emerging markets, these currencies along with a decline. In the v-shaped recovery over the next few months I, think we can see ten plus percent depreciations. If not larger moves as we recalibrate what the growth trajectory is is gonNA look globally for the next year. So just to recap because he said. You the statement that the A. Virus was was intrigued or not the cost of the broadened agree with that statement the. Things. Occurred because it goes a trigger in nineteen did not cause this whole. Situation we're in right now is this. something. Absolutely this is going to have been one way or the other. Endeavor you never quite sure. Exactly. What the catalyst is going to be. We. Can See in hindsight all we can do is set up a picture of what we see in terms of the Macro Economic Outlook what the geopolitical outlook is. An probabilistically, how we think might evolve in where the weak points are. But we're never quite sure exactly what it's going to be. Okay and the second thing is you believe the dollars go higher I tend to agree with but we've seen during the past few months the dollar weakening significantly across a broad basket of grinches obviously there those who believe that the dollar might go lower. I tend to agree with your statement that the voter should go higher just because might you? Clean a shirt out because he took luke are not let there are more problems in other. than the dollar. So I think the dollar should go higher now were interesting in what you said is that. Usually when the dollar weekends emerging-market currencies tend to the world. In this case there are some cases where even though the door has weakened. Some. Emerging market currencies have not done well till him currencies immigrants who don't. Have Been. weakened. why did he? which currencies are not which one are you looking at and where do you think this happened because if you're faces right and the dollar start trialing, imagine what game currencies which I've been weakening during a week boulder will bubble happen that? It's it's a great point and I, think that's really one of the salient points in terms of thinking how the markets may evolve from here. particularly in em this really is not that different than. What's happened over the past ten fifteen years in global asset markets. If you think about it, right we've had one of the greatest financial booms ever in history. In this period of time you know US Capex for example, positively has has declined as finance financial engineering has taken over. In the same way, many of the emerging market economies came into this crisis with a relatively weak position because their debt levels have risen. Right. So we talked earlier about global debt levels rising particularly dollar debt. In emerging markets have enough nate. Bowler debt vm is approximately Doklam. Exactly but it's it's roughly four trillion dollars I believe. But global debt as a percentage of DP has has around two twenty. and. In in countries like Brazil they came into this crisis. With debt to GDP at around eighty percents that's like to go north of one hundred percent. The budget deficit is blowing out to around fifteen percent of GDP. In, Turkey. There are negative reserves when you account the liabilities in the banking system can you elaborate a bit on about because most people will say they get these reserves that happen the they don't understand what the Turkish central bank has done. So if you know if you were making people by their interesting. Sure, sure I think one of the slightly Outcomes of the the. Slightly Unorthodox policy in Turkey. Has Been in order to defend the currency. in stop from depreciating sharply. The Central Bank has drawn down on the reserves. and they've used the Turkish banks. To assist in intervening through swap lines if you take that into account, it means their actual reserve position is negative. You know somewhere on the order of minus twenty to thirty billion. So in the most recent data I looked at prior this interview has slightly changed that a little bit. And all of is not up to date but net there is a liability within the reserves of. Turkey. Thank the. Dollar deposits in Turkish banks. been completed because they've been used by the central bank to defend the girls is correct. That's correct. Okay. So You think this could cause also back in crisis winning Turkey how do you think this how this plays out going forward because if Turkey right now is having negative reserves them if I'm greg today earlier. Around seven, forty, nine or seven fifty versus the dollar being Gigolo if I'm not mistaken correct. It moves up the currency's. Falling graduate small because I guess Central Bank is winning. But if they have negative reserves disconnect call for long means, they will mean either dollars. I. said, I would think vs walk limes. Fed if that, we're because. We speak. This isn't happening. This is the Fed hasn't given Schwab to the Turkish. Or how if they if that doesn't happen obviously this You know what happens for from going. I think those are all the absolute right questions. I would turn it slightly. differently. And in some ways, view this as an opportunity, a window of opportunity for Turkey to come out on top here. I had a conversation about two weeks ago with the deputy head of one of the largest Emerging market countries central banks. In. He made it very obvious but somewhat startling. Admission. When I asked him about the pass through of currency depreciation. To. The, inflation rate. and. He said, you know it's there. But our output gaps in terms of the demand shock that we've seen from covid nineteen is so large it's barely impacting. US Right now, and he wasn't very concerned about it and I think. Unlike the Euro which those countries are in a straitjacket where they have severe limitations on what can be done fiscally. And monetarily, to stimulate individual economies in were Italy now is less competitive. Than it was when it entered the euro, Turkey has a great opportunity here to use covid nineteen and the pandemic. In the current environment to its benefit. Using the output gaps using covid nineteen in the shocks to GDP letting the currency depreciate. There will be definitely some pass through to inflation given the open economy. Keeping rates relatively firm hopefully getting them positive right now because real rates are negative. In through doing this through weaker currency through higher real rates, there's a very good chance that one the export economy will become more competitive to they will attract capital. into the country and That ultimately could be an advantage, for Turkey, that many countries like the euro. Doesn't have right now the alternative in terms of you know potential shocks what could go wrong and cause a massive appreciation. Turkey. Possibly swap lines from the Fed possibly an IMF package, possibly some unilateral support from the US but I think these are low probability that's right now they may occur further down the road in a time of crises but there, there are ways off right now. Very interesting points question about easing the fact that. Right now dirty corporates, our moral law controllers I think the next twelve months in eatery offering around a hundred billion dollars within a week and. We in currency, make this repayment art and being turn on economy. I understand completely that wants to currency dividers it helps experts and. Growth can come from abroad. Even that. We've seen the Kobe delegates has been coming up again and we might a second wave in that second wave by because again, the slow economy I is the external growth coming for Turkey second do you think that the currency fault what's more important experts going up or some Gopnik not being able to pay their dead because crunchy, full and third hobby? Think the banks are affected in this a matrix where they've lent money in the Turkish courts they're vulnerable from all sides in their bodies being used to defend the currency. So I just. To sum it up I. Hear you're you're a point and I think they're very valid. I'm not sure who wins Star War in terms of tricky being better off on the next day or maybe Maybe, we have a short term. Crisis. Would cracks short-term and say pressure on the economy but then what you just? Said lays out I. You know the sequence of events is the more troubling. I don't know about you see this. Look I mean. There's no doubt It's a very challenging situation. In the numbers are the numbers you know rates are negative. Real rates are negative. credit has been exploding. Real reserves are negative. The dollar liabilities are there the geopolitical uncertainty is there and is rising on multiple frontiers you will know being Athens. Is With Greece is with Russia. It's with the US. Namus fought there. There is significant geopolitical uncertainty that is rising. Falling. In it's a challenging. situation to get out of if you break down, you know another interesting fact is fits into some of the themes on real vision of Bitcoin gold. I broke down the balance payments and the errors in admissions interestingly in terms of when you look at the balance of payments, you look at the current account, you look at the capital account and you see where the flows are and one of the big challenges in Russia in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight was at the and were particularly hype is a lot of flight capital. if you look at the past few quarters in Turkey. The emission show significant amount of flight capital out of the country some of which given restrictions, and monitoring is probably going into things like bitcoin. Okay very interesting I'm the that's that's why I guess goal having going up a bulldozer I. Think they've been purchasing goal within Turkey. Entered somewhere a the Goldman picked up with intriguing maybe it's a form of flight. Of. Currency. The country even county out by heart the doesn't lose its vagus. Correct I haven't seen those numbers up that that would make sense in terms of what you're seeing in detail the balance of payments. in terms of what it means in terms of the dollar liabilities of the Turkish entities, the banks in corporate, it's clearly a risk but if you look back to late July when we first started putting on some trades Turkey At the time, the Lira was pinned through intervention likely around the seven point zero Lil. As you said this morning, it's at seven point five. So the risk is a disorderly depreciation that gets out of control without international support. if you look at the currency since the last crises in August of two, thousand eighteen. No by our calculations on real effective exchange rate basis which which looks at. inflation differentials, versus the competitors. Turkey is ten to fifteen percent overvalued right now, which would imply that would have to depreciate ten to fifteen percent from here. To visit as it was in August of two, thousand eighteen. Seven fifty. s correct. And just to let one or the other I think the was at the beginning of the year off sex right? It's being from. Six to seven fifty. Nine months already Pratt. So it's a pretty sharp appreciation, I would say for For the timeframe we're talking about so. The way you would express their trade would be the other currency or do you have other ways of doing this trade or or or how do you see the macro landscaping What's your risk reward in terms of looking at this looking laying devaluation in? Right. Right that. A is always a challenging question. Be. It's particularly challenging question in Turkey given liquidity given the volatility curves in given the geopolitical uncertainty in given the negative carry. I think it's always important when you're expressing a trade as I said to take a top down perspective to think about how you expect. The world evolved from a macroeconomic geopolitical standpoint. Then to compare how the rest of the world expects. The market prices to evolve. And if there's a gap there, you can derive what I would call very perception in in that gap is an opportunity. In Turkey the way we have chosen to express this given the market dynamics is to put on dollar call spreads. So put on dollar calls spreads we're we're buying a dollar call and selling dollar call at a higher strike. In the three months to six month time period. We're minimizing decay. Through the volatility. we're minimizing some of the long vague through being short the options what we're limiting upside. But. We're still generating options where the risk reward is between five to one in ten to one of the Prima network's spending. And we've calibrated the strikes to be roughly in line for maximum profit based off our analysis of previous. Devaluation periods in Turkey. If you go back in time. Over the past ten or twenty years you find that the average depreciation of the Turkish lira during periods of weakness is slightly over thirty percent. So we structure options to derive maximum benefit should happen with great risk award. It were also operating under the belief that in this is the challenge for Turkey in the challenge for the dollar liabilities markets don't move in a linear fashion they move in a parabolic fashion. And that's the real risk here. That's the real payout in her option structures. Now one of the tenants know I've always followed is you wanna find the most direct expression. Of An investment view. and. Not Get. Too scattered or die death thousand cuss with thirty different positions when they're all correlated in the case of Turkey here. You need to call somewhat what's been audible need to be a little diversified taking into account, and this is what we talked about yesterday. Is Turkey. Is Part of a global view that's been evolving for ten plus years in terms of debt levels the. Lack. Of the emerging market countries to take advantage of the ten year plus bull. Market. In the world economy's not correcting the fiscal deficits not addressing. The spending issues not building up reserves I for a lot of emerging market countries, not all of them. But also to think about what we mentioned earlier about Europe. In thinking about. Okay if Turkey. Comes under pressure. Who else besides a Turkish banks in Turkish corpse might? Be impacted through feedback, mechanisms. you know the many cases you have a small event you know Iceland, the crisis in Iceland went time kind of the butterfly flapping its wings. Let's impact globally with long term capital came under pressure because of their. Some of their dishes had reverberations throughout the world. In this case, there's large if you look through the bank exposure of European banks to Turkey France and Spain particularly stand out. So going along with the Turkish view but backing. Into, the flows liabilities, and thinking about euro view we've also expressed his trade through short positions. In Italian bonds, French bonds, and Spanish bonds versus both the US. And Japan balloons. We also are expressing this through the euro short Europe positions very interesting. So you think that. There was a a let's say Bali. Currency devaluation in Turkey which will trigger a domestic crisis in Turkey dubbed the knock on effect would be first in Europe or any M as you know. Going look at other countries I you think would be first. Let's go and see ransoming to be there exposures and hedge or reduce our position because they could get affected. Immediately so or do you look at both? How do you? How do you see this? Well I'm not sure the exact order. My my estimate would be that would be impacted and just we saw the other day in things like south? African rand. In the next compay so I think the the first order effect would be through emerging-market currencies outside of something specific happening in in Europe. Now, we know with the European Bank index has been doing. For the past ten years in terms of kind of pulling. With a very large gravitational pull to to lower numbers. In terms of share prices I expect that continue this would definitely. Bait that. but I think the first order effects in the immediate effects would be in the in the emerging currencies the the story in South Africa and Brazil are slightly different right? All these things you have to kind of paint a picture and see what the weak points are the weak point. In Brazil and South Africa are the fiscal numbers in the dollar debt numbers. Numbers and trickier high but not quite as bad as the other countries. Okay. So let me see viner's Greg you would be. You based on. Your in this makes an even stronger gains for your bears this or is a bear Caesar's in Europe, which is derived entered. I wait take it one step higher on the global chain. And get back to your earlier point about the dollar and you know the best of a bad bunch I think the dollar is the best of the bad bunch. The US economy is the best of say a hurting bunch in terms of the impact their in nineteen. Now we have the US has the highest potential GDP It's it's the largest economy in the world it's got. Higher, productivity levels in most countries particularly. Europe as a whole and I think the US will be the leader. and particularly some of the contemporaneous numbers. And Some high frequency indicated we've been modeling. Point to the US doing better here relative to Europe and I think you're seeing that in some of the confidence numbers, industrial production numbers, inflation numbers coming out of Europe, as well as the covid nineteen mobility numbers. That leads us to view on the dollar. The overall issues in Europe on how the euro has evolved since its existence in the decline in Italian productivity and competitiveness in the rise in debt levels. In the package that's come out which was described as Hamilton Tony Moment, which I think is as far from the truth as you can get. In that only addresses ten percent of Italy's needs over the next few years. And that ten percent is contingent upon meeting hurdles which are unlikely to be met. that. Leads us to a Europe view versus the dollar and a peripheral view within Europe. The linkages in the feedback mechanisms and what's happening? In Turkey idiosyncratically fit into that kind of global food chain of opportunities in terms of how we think the markets are going to evolve. Okay. So I I'm mostly what we're saying your easiest I agree my question is what go wrong. What would go wrong in this case is the way you see. How could watch watch for things going way for example, what would you need to see change your view? Oh. Look I mean there's always a lot of things that can go wrong and and part of the game here is. What we've been very good at is structuring a portfolio that is disciplined in focus in is, is said honing in on what the right questions are and structuring portfolio that is most directly benefit if you're right. But at the same time, if you're wrong which happens more times than I can count minimizing downside either through disciplined in terms of getting out of positions or in the case of Turkey structuring this in the way where you've got great risk reward. But your downside is clearly defined by what you spent on the options. now in terms of what can go wrong? Look, the Turkey could get. A big investment from a foreign country cutter could could provide more Catholics Turkey The US could decide Turkey is a great place for us to continue. Our peace talks in the Middle East It helps in terms of creating a buffer to Russia. In terms of the. Euro. Perhaps, there will be a real Hamiltonian moments I see that as highly unlikely. A perhaps are major disruptions in global supply chains. In inflation becomes an issue which I don't think is the case right now but that's a risk. In the US badly manages that process inflation spikes in the dollar which I think will ultimately happen just not anytime soon, the dollar losing its reserve currency status begins to you know accelerate. Lots of things that can go wrong there's. A constitutional crisis in the US election. And people flee the dollar? there's all sorts of things but I think we have the portfolio structured in the way that were so insulated on have identified with they could be a no had reacted if in fact those unexpected scenarios happen. Thank you joan having. This has been great analysis. I think for for viewers real vision. Is there anything else you would like we try missing or? Haven't. Dug of ask it said these at sobbed because you've structured. You showing everyone what the downside the upside is I what to do, what could go wrong and what the the benefits of the. A. Call spread is I think investment find great useful anything else you would like to outdoor. Look I. Think Michael The key thing for investors. Here at whatever level they're at retail, institutional, and the key thing that we are focused on in the portfolio in structuring investments. Is Up by any stretch whether in terms of US doing an interview here now on sky at her homes in wearing masks or looking at the global debt numbers or the fiscal numbers. Where in an extraordinary environment and that is likely to lead to extraordinary price adjustments in the global financial markets. Currency is for me. I was giving a talk. About a year ago in Alberta Canada. In at the time given where monetary policy was you know gravitating towards zero? In given where equity valuations were. You know I coined a phrase which I think I think is original. That currencies are likely to become the last Greek equilibrating mechanism in financial markets. If. You. Look back through history not just the past ten years not just the AM crises. But there have been many many. moves in currencies and I, think you know we're right for many of those over the next few years. And it's important to think about. You know what they could be how they can transpire and really think outside the box. Okay perfect in Wick. The just. Drink straight out the next within the next three to six months. If I'm greg. From my timeframe for for Turkey is the next three to six months. That that I would expect. In a good way for the levers of allowing you know an open economy highly dependent upon tourism. Impacted by the shock. Of covid nineteen to gradually. Have currency depreciate the risk is. A parabolic move is, as you said, some of those liabilities in weaknesses in the macroeconomic structure are exposed in a less benign global economic environment. So thank you John Thank you. For watching it was great talking to you. I think we should do this again in three to six months to see how this dream. House. I'm I'm on your side straight I think it's GonNa work out the only respected. It's maybe not remarked maybe six months because by experience has shown that takes more time to play out usually but look great having you write it always takes longer but when it when it goes, it goes faster and farther than he thought. Before Nice. Thanks so much, Michael I've agreed to chat with you.

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Daily Briefing - May 29, 2020

Adventures in Finance: A Real Vision Podcast

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Daily Briefing - May 29, 2020

"Hi I'm row. Pal Co founder and CEO Vision. Thank you so much for listening to the revision focused at religion. We pride ourselves on providing the very best in-depth expert analysis available to help you understand the complex world of finance business and the global economy. If you'd like what you hear I set my invitation to try real vision membership for thirty days for just one dollar visit real vision. Podcast DOT com today and join us as we navigate the financial well together cheese. A It's Friday may twenty nine twenty twenty just after market. Close here in New York. This is the real vision daily briefing. I matched Bennington here in New York joined shortly by Ed Harrison in Washington. Dc But first Peter Cooper with the latest market news things ash. I'm going to talk about Canada. Statistics Canada released a new report today. Concerning some of the country's most recent economic data and how they have fared in light of the coronavirus pandemic in the first quarter of twenty twenty Canada's annualized GDP contracted eight point two percents. This number is slightly better than what was expected. Economists were predicting a ten percent decline but at eight point two percent contraction candidates GDP on an annualized basis during the first quarter is steeper than the US whose output contracted five percents statistics. Canada also released a preliminary estimate for April output which showed a drop eleven percent following a seven point two percent contraction in March. This is the most severe contraction in Canada since the two thousand eight financial crisis. And it's expected to be the deepest contraction of the Katie. An economy since World War about three million Canadians lost their jobs in March and April in over. A third of the labor force is now unemployed or experiencing displacement such as reduced work hours. According to a report in The Wall Street Journal as a result Canadian household spending fell two point three percent in the first quarter which is the largest quarterly decline recorded during the same period. The household savings rate went up to six point one percent in the first quarter as opposed to three point six percent in the previous quarter statistics. Canada also reported that Canada's consumer price index for April fell by point two percent on year basis which makes Canada one of the first major economies to be under deflationary pressure for consumer prices the Bank of Canada expects the GDP level to be fifteen to thirty percent lower in the second quarter from the end of two thousand and nineteen. The Central Bank had acted early in March when they cut interest rates from one point seven five percent two point. Two five percent participated in quantitative easing for the first time and the Canadian government also responded with fiscal stimulus package worth about two hundred and forty billion Canadian dollars and with that handed over to Ash. Welcome add. We've made it through another week. Yes I'm happy for the weekend. I gotTa tell you I feel like we've been on camera twice today. Is that right? That is the case. And you've been the host both Tom. Yes. Yes I have You know this is It's been Another weekend in markets. Let's take a look here at what's happened so you know. P's up about half. A percentage point to the thirty forty four level Dow basically flat up zero point. One Percent Nasdaq a little momentum. Up One hundred and twenty points plus one point three percent yes and you know. I think that The news from President Trump earlier today the markets actually reacted relatively positively to the news Which included a stripping Hong Kong of some of its special status and also pulling out of the W. H. O. Both moves which were basically against China from the United States perspective. Yeah not a slow news. Day by any means. What were your thoughts about those two key stores you. I mean the the way that I was looking at. It is as confirmation of this thesis. That the what was a trade war before the coronavirus hit has become a cold war of sorts Now that we're seeing escalation and so the first thing that I thought to myself was what's the likely salvo from the Chinese on the other side and I think that the likely salvo is a further escalation of sorts Some sort of tit for tat. I don't think it's going to be a escalation in terms of okay. Now we're going to buy more of your stuff to fulfil our agreement on on the trade front. It's rather going to be acrimony of some sort and so a furthering of this cold war mentality that we're seeing Ya. Unfortunately that seems Lizzo. Eight may be the case You know it's been a pretty big news day when The president signing an executive order potentially limiting some of the protections that social media companies have You know when that doesn't even make the top two stories. It's been a big news day and unfortunately a lot of it is geopolitical which is outside of our wheelhouse certainly You know I don't know how to react about The riots that are going on And what that means from a market perspective. I think that it's a net negative for the likes of Google Amazon. And and and all of the tech companies what happened in terms of the social media thing. But let's see how that plays out. I have more of a of view on China just because when you look back at the last global recession that we had the Chinese were very instrumental in terms of the amount of stimulus that they added in terms of the booths that we got to the economy and so to the degree that we're now in the Cold War type situation that's going to be negative for growth and I think that It's it's going to put a headwind on a risk assets and it definitely does have a market impact whereas the other two I think are less. It's less shoe war. What the market impact is going to be very good points. I think the short back of the envelope answer is probably additional risk coming onto the table in the form of you know potential political and social instability and obviously a potential headwind for Fang stocks. And certainly for for twitter but you know before we go too far down that rabbit hole. I just wanted to say I especially enjoyed your interview with double on capitals of Bill Campbell. This week it was just really interesting to hear him really unpacked some of the mechanics of what's happening in Europe and also in China It's just incredibly tied to a factual analysis of the mechanics of how public policy monetary policy fiscal policy trade policy get implemented in those regions. What were your were your takeaways from that interview. You know what I thought was that it's amazing. How how broad their focuses and I just so you know I mean You know this already. That double on is run by Jeff. Gun lack in. He's the CEO of the company Bill he works hand in Glove with Jeff in terms of making decisions. So you know this is bill. representing double on in terms of what their asset allocation is. So when normally we think of double line in terms of you know what they're doing in the United States but bill was showing us is basically that they have a much broader scope in terms of what they're thinking about both in terms of rape policy and in terms of bonds and that's a and very sophisticated outfit in terms of their coal listrik of where you can invest Where there's relative value to be made? I think that it was a great understanding. Both of What the market risks are but also what's driving those risks from a political economy an economic perspective and you have to know that if you're dealing with global markets bonds and fx. And so I that's my that was my takeaway. Yeah very well said. Let me just ask you to your two points that stood out to me and I'm curious to get your thoughts on them The first was that he had very nuanced way of thinking about The EU aid package the potential for debt mutualisation or potentially The you know the possibility that may not occur. And he said you know he basically said that The new a new five hundred billion euro package that they're putting into place is not a permanent fixture of the EU budget and he called quote clever way to skirt the issue meaning of not creating a true fiscal transfer and he said this is not a Hamiltonian moment. I'm curious what your thoughts are about that. Yeah I mean I think I'm known to be somewhat skeptical of the ability of Europe to get it in line over the short term though I think over the long term they do get in line. You know when push comes to shove they understand what what's on table. Merckel shows that but they're not willing to make the next move until it's existential so I largely agree with what he was saying. What I would say is that in subsequent days since we did that interview. It's clear to me that Yes he's correct that. This isn't a Hammel. Tony moment that in fact this is something that is a special program. It's it has a sell by date and when it goes away it will go away. It's almost like the border controls within Europe that is is is that during this corona virus period. They set up border controls. There's no way no how we should be thinking that that's going to be a permanent fixture of how the market works. It's just for this particular time that the Schengen agreement market is closed down in that way and I think that you could say the same thing about this. This isn't a Pandora's box. That's being open until eventually the frugal four will fall into line. They'll have some sort of fudge and then we'll just move on from there. Yeah you know. That's such an interesting metaphor. The Schengen area is not going away and permanent. Mutualisation of fiscal policy is not here to stay. I was thinking when I was listening to. This is really just such a perfect interview for at Harrison to be doing because these were so in your wheelhouse and the second thing That he said that. I'm curious to hear your view on because it's also So in your wheelhouse was he was talking about what it would take for China to develop a reserve currency with the UN and. He talked about effectively. I think what he called them were institutional requirements. They said look you know the. Us has deep liquid open capital markets with decades even centuries of history The US has robust reporting standards disclosure requirements for corporations and and and perhaps most important of all. We have an open capital account. These are all challenges that door just sort of a placement along the development continuum. We're China has not yet gotten an curious to hear your thoughts about that when you look back on it and reflect. I agree with him and I think it's. It's a view that other people have made that is is that you know. The dollar is the best currency of Fiat currencies. That are out there bar none. There's no imminent threat from any other currencies and if you think about other standards that we've had were there. Were other reserve currencies. Let's not talk about gold per se. But you know when the British pound was preeminent a lot of that had to do with their flow that is the flows came through the the UK through the British Empire and that vicinity that Greece the engines of trade. And that's the position that they held the the Chinese they're closed economy relatively speaking and as a result of that it makes it very difficult for them to to serve that liquidity function when we're always talking constantly about the Fed the Fed this the Fed that. Is there any way shape or form that you can think of where the PBC would be performing the role that the Fed is performing now in the next five years the next ten years? I mean I don't I don't see it in any way shape or form and so therefore I don't understand where the the bid would come for using you on in any sense because the dollars facilitating that role. You could call it. My liberalism bias. That is you know. Free Markets Open economy. Those kinds of things are the sort of thing that are facilitating the dollar in that role. And if your economy's not as open then you aren't going to be able to play the liquidity role that the US dollars playing. Yeah I think that's exactly right. And it also sets up the nice flavor for what happens over the course of that interview. If you haven't already seen it do check it out because it's a. It's a really strong piece and let me make an analogy. I think that goes back. Some of that Roger was saying about You know let's call it the Frankfurt versus London of Paradigm so what happens when the EU and the UK are separated on a permanent basis. Because you know the the Frankfort not a replacement for for London in terms of what I would call flows that London has developed a place in the world that allows it to have flows. Run through it to the perfect infrastructure. So you know when when everything Is is done with the EU and with the UK with regard to Brexit. London will still play a very important role just because of the infrastructure set up and I would make that analogy with regard to the US dollar and the role that the US dollar plays in the reserve currency status similarly. You could also look at going back to China Hong Kong vs Singapore. I think that what trump did. Today you is the first nail or the last nail whichever in the coffin for Hong Kong as a center in Asia that similar to the center. That London is for Europe. I think that you're going to see an increasing number of flows go to other markets Away from Hong Kong because it. It's not a place where you can expect the rule of law to prevail important points about Hong Kong and we can pick up on those again in a moment but I'm curious to hear you sort of unpack for people who don't follow international capital flows as closely as you do what are some of the characteristics or parameters that make. London's such an ideal location currently for international capital flows. I think it's Intellectual Capital It banking infrastructure a historical. What I would call the establishment of Of Protocols you know when you think about British law as an example as being the law where a lot of debentures are Are Based on. That's because of a history of dealing with these kinds of things so all of these things built up actually before the United States was the world's reserve currency the U. K. You know has actually afforded self this role because of its role in the past because of flows that came through and built up history that it has whereas Frankfurt as an example is a city of you know five or six hundred thousand. It's not even one of the top five cities in Germany in terms of size and so in many ways. It's not really a place that you could say. Rivals London in terms of its infrastructure architecture and its preparedness four Being able to take over the role that London plays to the right. You know it sounds like the the simple answer that is that it's basically It's basically human capital the human capital stock to use a phrase that Kevin Hassett recently got in trouble for saying can a slightly different context right and and you know so when people talk about the UK leaving the EU permanent live whether it be a clean brexit or negotiated agreement is going. GonNa be Paris instead of Frankfurt There a lot is going to be You know Switzerland. I think that Roger. He made a good case for not being Zurich it's being Continuing to have a lot of flows go through on the one thing that I'm certain of. Is that all of those? Great European capitalists are going to be competing aggressively to be the next center for capital flows. Because it's going to mean tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in the years in decades to come for the country that's able to supplement even if it's only a portion of the capital flows that get transferred on a net basis out of London after Brexit. And you know. Let's think about that in the context that I mentioned before. Hong Kong Singapore into degree. Shanghai other places. I think that the Chinese want their find with Sacrificing Hong Kong and moving The the center onto a the shores of China in some capacity having the flows go through a Chinese city on mainland China. But then you have Then you have Singapore as as a potential rival there and so the sense that I'm getting is that for good or for bad is that you know we're in a world now where the Chinese have decided that it's clear that they had their sphere of influence and the United States has there's and it's there's no more Chai America. Were not join the hip anymore. There's a rivalry there and it will. It won't go away and it's only going to escalate and they're prepared to do whatever is necessary in order to continue their growth. Continue their employment in that in that new world I said on the Ama that we did today That I thought Russell Clark he made a good case for the Chinese being prepared for that eventuality having the The export channels in to be able to master this This transition well you. You have two different views. You have a view that says that the Chinese they have too much debt the to externally dependent and therefore this is gonna be a hard transition for them and therefore they have no good alternative to a negotiated agreement with the Americans. And then you have the view that I think Russell Clark in the interview that he did with row that came out today says very well that actually know the Chinese not only do they have rolled materials at their access in in your in Africa and Latin America but they also have export within Asia in fact because they are Asian potentially they could create a sphere of influence in the exact same way that the United States is done in in the Americas so that is a potential outcome from this new Cold War. That's happening one of the things that you said. That was rather interesting to me. At least was the idea of potentially moving the banking center to mainland China. I'm the question that I had is you know might say that in five years Hong Kong will be mainland China. There will be distinction without a difference. The Shenzhen River that separates the two will be no more material barrier than the Hudson River is for those of us here in New York Cut off from mainland America. I it's hard to say I mean I would think that that is a move that would be fraught with peril. People talk about the same sorts of things. There was a Chinese general who talking about Taiwan in in the same fashion. But clearly you know win. There's turbulence globally Pandemic economic turbulence then all sorts of opportunities open up that country's want to take advantage of and nothing's off the table over the medium medium-term over the next two to five years. And I think that's what you were talking about five years ten years. We have no way of knowing what's going to happen. And and so. There's a lot volatility in in terms of the geopolitical situation but facing US going forward. Yeah and that volatility driven In in large measure by the complexity of the issues that are involved here. I think that your points queued. That up rather nicely gives you a sense of the complexity in determining and interdependence of all of these regions and just how complicated is to attempt To project forward over a period like five years and have a a reasonable. Similac of what you think is going to happen. It's just very challenging. So I mean yeah. Let's think about it and break it up into four. Four buckets will call it. emerging markets China Europe and will call North America forgetting about Japan for second in terms of where the excess growth is. GonNa come going forward as compared to say two thousand eight or two thousand now in the too early two thousands in periods pass all of the incremental growth coming out of global recession. Came from the United States It the first time that we saw that was not the case was in the two thousand seven to two thousand and nine recession and then the recovery where it was really a supercharge infrastructure charts. Chinese stimulus lead recovery. That brought us out of that. So in the absence of this. Let's say Where the world is not benefiting from that as one potential outcome as a result of the Cold War than we were there for looking to emerging markets or to Europe or to the United States again and with the debt levels that we're seeing in the developed world that includes the you EU and the US. It's very unlikely in my view that we would not see significant de leveraging. Meaning THAT WE'RE GONNA see slow growth over the longer term so that leaves you only with emerging markets for any sort of growth. And then you have to make a bet about specific countries their ability to have wherewithal in this particular environment. So those are the kinds of things that I think when you talk about the indeterminate sees that were you have to think about that? Are going to affect trade flows. They're going to affect markets both equity and debt as well as currency markets. So let's talk about that. You suggest that there's a if growth is going to be driven by emerging markets and emerging markets are not a monolithic bloc. There's GonNa be some heterogeneity there in terms of those individual stories. What are the particular emergence emerging markets that you're looking at and why will one that? I'm looking at that. I think is not going to necessarily be a leader is South Africa as an example because You know they're now just getting hit by the pandemic a very hard way There's increased economic insecurity. And I would say income inequality in the country as a result of the policies over the past number of years but in addition to that you have to think that they have huge debts that they have to pay going forward and they're one of the fragile company countries in the emerging markets Obviously the same thing's true for Turkey. Same things for Argentina So I would say that It's very difficult. Unless you're an emerging market specialist to really go into specific countries that you think will come out better on the other side and I'm not an emerging market specialist. I I couldn't say You know who are the the shining stars? I can definitely tell you who are the countries that I would avoid in the and those are three or four right there? Yeah at times are avoiding some of the worst performers in some ways better than being a believing that you can pick the winners i. It's really such an interesting point that you mentioned about covert obviously Cova now. ravaging South America. And it's going to be interesting to tease out whether or not these are are seasonal effects. It's obviously a terrible impact on a human level and on the day today that That that President Trump has withdrawn or is moving to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization. Do you think that that is a a you know? A significant immaterial. Change in terms of global health. Preparedness or do you think. This is just a political statement. That doesn't have much impact IT A. That's not in my wheel can't really either. That's why I'm asking. I just have no idea you're right. It's on its face. It's it's very political. But it can't possibly be positive in terms of global preparedness to agree that the World Health Organization played any positive role in terms of global preparedness. Already so withdrawing is only going to inflict pain on the World Health Organization and trump believes therefore on China but it's not going to help global preparedness. Yeah that seems right to me too. I mean clearly. It's it's not going to be a help. I guess the question that I have just because I'm just not knowledgeable about that particular sector is how great a hindrance it's going to be. Is that something? That's just a you know a marginal impact or is this something. That's really substantial. I just don't the answer that question and you know the reason. You don't have the answer to that question. The reason that you're asking to begin with is why this is such a difficult situation especially today today in points out. How much Not just policy but politics. Geopolitics is driving Events Right now on the ground and what. I'd like to see actually had real vision going forward. Is You know US thinking about? Who are the right players to tell that story from a historical context? What is this similar to in terms of the Times that we're living through Just from the upheaval. Is it As we have postulated many times similar to the great depression or is there. Nineteen Sixty eight scenario where? There was a lot of social upheaval. Which makes some relevance I'd love to hear a historian talk about the The the relevance of politics in terms of the economy The reason I bring up nine hundred as an example everyone knows about the secular bear market that we had from sixty six to eighty two. Actually sixty eight was really. The top for the economy in the United States had rolled over. We had a recession in nineteen seventy and from there. We had that lost decade in the Nineteen Seventies. So I think that there is something to be said for the economy and large social movements having a mutual effect on one another. Yeah I agree with that completely and it's so interesting here. We are two markets guys having a conversation about markets and we're talking about the World Health Organization that in itself tells you how far outside the traditional parameters of markets we have gone with the events that are on the ground but the reality is exactly as you suggest at that if that is driving. Us sentiment if that is driving a pricing. We're GONNA cover it and it is an interesting question about how we're going to do that and you know. I think the one great thing about religion is that we're we're nimble enough to figure out ways of doing it. We can change on a dime. We can have this conversation on a Friday and then new something new on Monday. It's going to be interesting to see how we do that. And I'm actually fascinated by it because while these are obviously very difficult times again generating a lot of human suffering You know they are also you know intellectually compelling to understand how these things function how they interact and how they cause the reaction function and price discovery in markets. It goes back to something that during the day amid the Roger was saying about developing frameworks and tweaking. Those frameworks or even throwing them out or a remodeling them entirely based upon understanding that you glean from other smart people who are looking at it from a different perspective. So you know there. There are some historical perspectives. You can look at whether those be in terms of Secular and cyclical patterns but there are also technical indicators that you can look at in historical times and put this in that Measure Roger was doing that with regard to financy retracement up to sixty two. Where you know was only the ball. Magadan where we went to the seventy six level. But what about the intersection of You know political science and the economy. Is it true that the economy leads the social interaction? Or is there some sort of reflexively? They're at specifically very momentous times in world history. I'm thinking in particular as I say that of Neil House. An example in terms of his fourth turning it he someone who. I spoke to earlier this year He is a very interesting point of view on this. Yeah and it's also something that you know is obviously it's politically sensitive but we have a significant bellwether election coming up in November and there's going to be an impact from that and how we think about the and the impact it has certainly GonNa Reaction Function on markets without a one hundred percent. Yeah I would only add to that it us your ideas in the comments. Were curious about what you're interested in. Hearing about. What frameworks you think. Apply here I am. What are the questions that you have and who can answer them In terms of being able to build up a framework And a viewpoint that adds the most value to the way you think about markets you know just adding onto that over the near to medium term. Let's out to six months really. We're talking about the pandemic now so I think that we're at a Inflection point where we're at a pause where it's not clear you know how much of a a second way we're GonNa get whether or not the pandemic will move from the Southern Hemisphere back to the northern hemisphere in the fall and whether or not the reopening is going to adjust very well so we're sort of a of a pause. Were taking all that information in but at the same time you know you and I would just having is about the longer term the two years five year time horizon and sort of these secular trends that are developing that. I think are going to be very important over the course of the next cycle that that we're going to be living in so there two time frames at a minimum the to think about a even beyond the immediate present. Yeah the the timeframe very much remains a question. What are the things that I've noticed a lot of friends who have kids who are in college or going off to college and I've been watching on facebook? The wide divergence of opinion about when schools are going to reopen. When I saw it was last week that Cambridge University was canceled classes until summer of twenty. Twenty one I thought it was a Typo by. Bbc's run with that story. It's a it's out there and it just gives you a sense of the divergence about how institutions are about opening or not reopening and what timetable. That's going to be on an obviously. Those different outcomes are associated with dramatically different potential economic performance if you think about them as being a proxy for the Broader Economy. But you know here's a question so what is the framework that you use to to model that out in terms of just from top down perspective how to think about dealing with that level of uncertainty. I mean because the way that I'm looking at it is as economic friction and you know irrespective of what your baseline is for the economy. That whenever you add economic friction then on an overall level you're going to get lower nominal growth and then the question is who are the winners or the losers and right now. I think the markets are generally talking about the winners and losers with the likes of Microsoft facebook Apple. Google being the winners. And then you know the likes of The small-cap two thousand being the losers. Yeah you know. Sort of my cynical interpretation is because that's what markets do markets are about picking winners and losers and you know that may not be as you suggest in terms of framework the best or most edifying framework to look at something like how we're going to reopen economy Markets are very good at picking a relative winners and losers for example in particular sectors. Where you can make apples to oranges. Comparisons but this is something you know. We get tired of using the WORD UNPRECEDENTED. But this simply no historical precedent for anything like this and trying to figure out what the role which direction the direction out of it. So how the economy Feeds into markets and also how markets are going to be some sort of index are indicator of future economic progress. All very complicated questions once again had another full conversation. Thanks for joining us. Please have a good weekend everyone.

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The Future of Europe

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The Future of Europe

"Welcome with i'm sorry. Brief delayed to a virtual general meeting of the council on foreign relations on the subject of the future of europe. I am michael mandelbaum. And i will moderate the discussion. I will ask our panelists questions. Throughout half an hour and then we will turn the virtual slower over to council members and through carey. You will be able to ask questions of the panelists when you do ask questions. Let me ask you to identify yourselves and direct your question to one. Or more of the pantelis. Our three panelists are a first professor ana jamala busey of stanford university author of several books on european affairs including redeeming the communist past and rebuilding leviathan. Second ambassador both gun issue anger former german envoy in washington among other important positions that he has now an ambassador wishing her has just published this month. A new book entitled world in danger germany and europe in an uncertain time. I'm tempted to say that. This book is available in all fine bookstores. But i have the feeling that most of us are not spending much time in any retail outlets these days in any way bookstores of almost all disappeared. But i can testify from personal experience that this book is available online from amazon. Our third analyst is professor. Mary soroti of johns hopkins school of advanced international studies in washington author of several major books on europe including the collapse and nineteen eighty nine currently at work on what will be the definitive account of nato expansion which will be published next year by yale. University press let us begin with a compound version of an obvious question on january twentieth a new administration in washington. We'll begin my question for the three of you. Perhaps responding in the order in which i introduced you is what does europe expect. And what can europe expect from the new administration. And what can the new administration expect. And what should the new administration expect from europe are professor. Jamila busey the floor. Thank you very much. I'm you know. I think at this stage europe will will probably wants and what can expect is greater predictability and consistency. I think that's the number one item on the agenda to have a more predictable foreign policy. When this more consistent one that allows i'm greater predictability. I think would your would like is sort of a resumption of things as they were before. I don't think that's possible. I think the biden administration will now be paying more attention to europe than the current administration has been but that's not entirely uniform gays right and making four western europe. It'll be more resumption of things as they were before for some of the countries that have made them more authoritarian turn like poland and hungary that attention will be highly unwelcome and in fact. They're already noises there about how they're not looking forward to biden administration had been very reluctant to congratulate president biden on his election president-elect so i think it's a mixed bag. I don't think things will go back to where they were. Before i think would ideal scenario europe would like institutional guarantees of future consistency and predictability and those are pretty much impossible to achieve for any presidential administration in the united states. Thank you ambassador wishing her as you answer this question. Let me invite you to begin with a very brief summary the benefit of our audience of your new book. Wealth first of all. Let me say how how privileged i feel a participating in this discussion with the other panelists and with you as as a moderator. This is an important moment. i think in the evolution of The transatlantic relationship and my book is really not a book for a professor of political science or of history. My book originally published in the german language was intended to be a book for the normal citizen interested in foreign policy at one of the problems in making german citizens understand how foreign policy especially when you're talking about Questions of war and peace of the application of force etc. germans hit to be. I hate to say almost like americans often quite moralistic and they want to know that They want to know which one is morally. Sound a decision. They want to be on the moral high ground and part of my book attention. Writing the book was to explain to our citizens that very often impractical decision making in foreign policy. Whether you're sitting in the white house or in the german chancellor or in in the eu commission in brussels not about simple black and white decision where one option is great and beautiful and moral on the moral high ground and the other one evil often. It's about shades of gray. It's about choosing the least bad decision. among a variety decision so the book was intended to explain where we're coming from after a unification of our country germany where we're going and the intention of the book was to into the germans that our future outdistance nation. Our mission has got to be building a more capable and more resilient european union especially as we are looking at a period going forward that will not be a period of Total global peace and quiet. We're looking in my view. And i hope somebody's going to disagree with me I think we're looking at a period where there will be a great power rivalries. There will be continued conflict. Hopefully not in my own neighborhood in western europe. But we've we've just seen a few weeks ago. The outbreak of one of these frozen conflicts in nagorno-karabakh between armenia and azerbaijan and of course all the conflicts in the middle east. So i think we need to build a stronger europe and that was the intention of the book to explain where we have to be going that there is no way to go back into a policy of relying on the nation state alone. Especially if you're from a nation state that has five or ten or twenty of or forty million inhabitants just too small to matter in the world that we're moving into a Variety a what can and should europe expect and what can and should new administration expect first of all again. Thank you to everyone. I'm honored to be here with such a great panel. And thank you mike for those kind words at the start i when imagine if trump had one imagine if we were having this event after trump election it would obviously feel very different. I used to get asked. What would a trump reelection mean for transatlantic relations. And my answer was well. I think europeans are giving americans for years but they won't give us four years in a day. If americans re-elect trump there will be fundamental transitions in the relationship between the us and europe. So fortunately for my point of view President biden has one and in some ways. Biden is even more of a traditional atlanticist. then obama was It's an exaggeration. But if you wanted to be provocative you could make the case. That trump was the second president in a row in the united states who is relatively uninterested in european preferences. I think biden will be more focused on europe. Perhaps even than obama but despite all of those reasons for optimism. I'm skeptical that there will be a snapback and i'm skeptical for three reasons. The first this is known to everyone in the room zoom room. The us is not what it was in two thousand sixteen. We've now had four years of trump and america. First and seventy million americans and counting said yes. I'd like four more years of that so any foreign policy is going to have to take into account. Also europe is not what it was in two thousand sixteen. There's been also brexit battles. There's been democratization. In hungary and poland. I see on the front page of the t. There's worries about bulgaria. So there's just not going to be a snap back to two thousand sixteen and if europeans are expecting that then than they are expecting too much There's three reasons they said. I don't think there'll be a snapback. The first is that neither. Us or europe is what it was in two thousand sixteen. The second is that a president biden. We'll have a lot of damage to repair before. He even gets on his first transoceanic flight as president. How many presidents in the modern era has come in facing the challenge of getting back on speaking terms with canada I think that relations with canada and mexico are hugely important. I was speaking to fellow council. Member bob zelic recently and he was saying that binds first visits to foreign countries should be canada mexico and i agree. I realize we're talking about europe here today. But i think we need to keep that in mind. Just the the the issues the sheer number of issues that are going to face biden and third and finally of course the. Us election is not over. The january fifth runoff in georgia is hugely important because it will shape leadership of the senate so us foreign policy may depend on the outcome of the vote in places that don't usually get mentioned that the council like baldwin and washington counties georgia which bind one by less than two percentage points. So we need to know what the shape The outlook will be in the senate that actually will determine a lot of the room to maneuver so for those three reasons. I don't think europeans should expect an immediate snap back. And i think the biden administration will also need to manage administer manage expectations as well. Thank you let me follow on to that question. The senior foreign policy positions in the new administration will be filled as far as we know so far by people who are basically being promoted one wrong up the bureau aircraft ladder from their physicians at the end of the obama straight so they will be very familiar with the jobs that they why it's been for years and my question for all of you is what is or are the most important changes in europe with which they will have to contend which they will have to take account when they assume office in January nex. Why don't we go in the same alphabetical order to me. I think there are two obvious and very different aspects to this situation after twenty. Sixteen the first of this is of course brexit the biggest partner in europe beasley. No longer in the you still struggling to exit. The negotiations are ongoing. And it's looking like a real mess and secondly there's also sort of the when the degradation of democracy within the european union there are now two countries that are no longer fully liberal democracies poland and hungary and they are basically acting undermined the democratic unity of the european union from within the ongoing budget negotiations for example they have basically decided to stand fast and argued that any kind of tying of tying the budge to rule of law. Specifications will lead them to veto the eu budget. So i think that you in europe in general looks very different than it did for those two main reasons since twenty sixteen. And that's something that obviously will have to be taken into account. Well if i may a allow me to add a comment On on your first question namely What is the level of expectation in your As we look at the future biden administration. And and let me say. Let me start with the good news. The good news is that there is i. Think a well-founded expectation in europe that we will see a return to classic multilateral diplomacy that's good that means that we will not be called we europeans by the white house a full. We be called a partner. So that's that's on the positive side however I read really with what mary said earlier. I would say curb the my fellow europeans curb. Your enthusiasm don't expect a president biden and his future administration to bring you all the goodies that you may remember from years past and led me. I don't want to go through the long list of of issues and grievances but let me focus on one rather important point which is a tough one you see for the last fifty years or more you can say. On the seventy years we on the european side thought of the united states as our reinsurer reliable and therefore eternity always present always reliable tight to europe through the nato the washington treaty et cetera et cetera. Totally reliable even with us nuclear weapons on european territory to make the relationship. You know materially Close and and and Impossible to unravel now. What has happened through. The four years of trump is that a level of doubt has now started to creep into the minds of europeans. And i will If you bear with me for one more minute let me describe the doubt. The doubt is this so going forward. Are we supposed to rely again on the dominant western power of the united states when it comes to Let's say the climate the paris climate accord when it comes to such issues as the jay z. Peel the iran deal when it comes to the reliability of the united states as the nuclear power that offers a nuclear umbrella guarantee over western europe. Can we actually believe that that will be permanent. What if in four years The next American presidential election might bring about a little change because we have noted we on the european side that are more than seventy million. Americans who did not vote for joe biden but for a continuation of the Rather unfriendly policies as far as europe is concerned of the trump administration. So the doubt is how sustainable. How reliable is this. Can we really tie our fate to america in the same way that that was the case for the last seventy s and that is in a way. I don't want to driving dramatize it but that is a game. Change now last point if there is one team Where i would have full confidence that they are the best equipped to deal with this kind of doubt it is. The people is first of all. Joe biden himself who knows everybody europe. He told me last year. I wasn't even there at the time. I was just young diplomat. He participated in the munich. Security conference when it was still called akande in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Believe it or not that is exactly forty years ago. He has met all these leaders over the years and the decades and his team including tony. Blinken and jake sullivan. They're all well known throughout europe. There's a huge level of trust. So they are the best equipped to deal with this. But it's going to be a lot of work rebuilding. Trust your building on that. I actually would be interested in hearing more from you. Vote gone about the reasons why you're having to tell people curb your enthusiasm. I'd be interested to hear what people are saying to use ensure about the best connected person on the planet uncommon following up on what you said I agree very much. You've put your finger on the core issue. There is this element of doubt that has come into the transatlantic relationship in a more serious Significant way i think than previously now obviously transatlantic squabbles. Are nothing new as a historian. I always have to add that caveat but this this level of distrust is i believe new also the the level of concern about trump was of course knew it was a very it. Was it an excess. I think of previous levels of worry about transatlantic commitment and thomas wright has written a wonderful piece in the atlantic. I'm sure many people have read it and he says and i think this is absolutely right. That one of the biggest challenges facing bein and dealing with europe is is a need to shock proof. The relationship shock proof. The relationship is so in other words. Try to ease the doubts of europeans. That somehow in four years you could. Have you know. Somehow a second president trump either himself or someone in his mold who could create that similar sense of doubt once again this yo yo effect of going backwards and forwards is very dangerous and i think that will be an important element in transatlantic relations and i think particularly key to that will be the relationship between your country wolfgang in mind the united states and germany. Of course the the country. I know best. I lived there for four years. I've got the berlin reichstag behind me and germany is of course the fourth largest economy in the world. I don't need to tell this. Audience that major nato ally major eu ally. I think it's really crucial. That relationship has highest priority on biden's europe team. And i think that's actually one of the themes of your wonderful book where you talk about the importance particularly of Security cooperation For example you talked quite a bit in the book about how a german army has taken command of one of the four multinational nato battalions sent to defend poland and the baltics those kinds of practical cooperation building those out. I think we'll be hugely important but if we have two seconds i'd be interested in hearing from both gone what why look needs to say curb your enthusiasm people wondering what they're saying to him. If you permit own means professor issue would you like to respond. And then we will turn the floor over to the council participants. Of course i. I can agree with everywhere. The marriages resent one. I think one important point it may it may sound to a to all of you as a psychological point but it is not an unimportant point. You know for europeans. It was very easy to resent policies by president. developed presented by president trump. It was very easy to resent president trump and therefore it was very easy to say no to president trump. it was very easy for example for for for germans to say no when it when president trump said you should pay your two percent of gdp for defense etcetera. It will be much harder for all of us whether he's berlin or paris or other capitals in europe will be much harder to say no to joe biden so when the when the biden administration will show up in europe. And i'm sure that's what's going to happen and we'll say here is our our expectation. We need you to come up with aveiro kind of burden sharing arrangement. You can't expect us. United states to carry the ball forever fully do more. It will be much harder for us to say no so. I expect what i expect. And what i'm telling my countrymen and my friends in europe is. Let's not make the biggest mistake. We could now make which would be to sit back and wait for the biden administration to come with a number of requests and expectations lettuce instead. Come up with a european offer of transatlantic cooperation. And i'm delighted to see that just over the last day or day and a half we have seen at least the first outline of a of plans of this nature developed by the european union commission. I was on the phone just yesterday. With president michel the president of the european council. And i know that he and salah funded lion president of the commission and certainly a significant. A growing number of leaders are trying to put a package together. That would would look attractive from an american bond of you. Not only welcoming the return of america to the paris climate accord and hopefully also to some arrangement regarding the iran deal but trying to demonstrate to the united states that we are actually now trying to behave like adults and no longer like a bunch of children that needs to be that needs to be taken care of. That's the anc you let us now. Open the floor for open. A virtual floor for questions carey. I turn responsibility for this over to you. We will take our first question from peter galbraith. Hi my question is for ambassador is singer a twenty. Five years ago we were at dayton and That was a time of of american leadership. I wonder how you see the dayton agreement. Twenty five years on what the prospects are for the western balkans and what role you might see for the united states. If any in that part of the world under a biden administration remembering of course that joe biden was from ninety one through nine hundred very deeply engaged in in bosnia a very senior members of the senate foreign relations committee. Am i supposed to respond right away or lease respond. Yes thank you very much peter. Thank you for for for the question. of course. we're we are celebrating this fall. You know twenty. Five years of The dayton accord. And what i would say is this. You and i were both present. The those who were present understand very well. That was hammered. Out in ninety five was what was possible to arrange between warring parties parties. That had been shooting at each other until quite recently so that was a success because we ended a war And that was an important success story what we did not do however in my view was. We should've actually collectively the united states and her allies we should have gone back and confronted with the parties with deserves of grow odds at the bosnia. Three to five years later and invite them to Review the the dayton agreements and and try to Come up with a dayton to with a with a new and improved version that turned out not possible which is why to this day. Bosnia is not a happy country. This is why to this day. Other problems in the region have not yet been overcome including the recognition question of kosovo including the remaining tusk of opening the you know they a european access road for the for all the countries in the region. We've now been working with North macedonia and albania but as everybody knows there are obstacles on the road. So there's work ahead and peter. I believe that the european union of course needs to be in the driver's seat going forward but we will probably not be able to do this job alone if we're not fully and strongly supported by the united states because the fact remains that the united states is the one country that enjoys and this is of course due to the activities during the clinton administration etc the united states enjoys a vastly superior reputation in causal among the bosniaks in other parts of the balkans and that is why without full support and active participation by the united states. I think we will not clinch the final deal of creating in the western balkans zone of stability and cooperation with a view of integrating these countries over time over time in the european architecture and into the anc you. Let's go to the next question. Take our next question from jane harman. Please accept the on mute. Now got it good Good morning good afternoon And and readings to my special friend. Wolfgang the list of participants on this call is a huge tribute to you and the other participants. No question But it's a gigantic list of everybody who matters and certainly you do Here's my question. We're devoting enormous time to europe in the us and the transit line relationship. And i agree with you Wolfgang that europe needs to Repeat itself grow up in addition to working on the relationship which will improve under president biden. But should we be focused on europe in the us looking. Outward anticipating that this will probably be remembered as the asian century not the transatlantic or the european or the american century and that with this increasingly Multipolar world china may be moving ahead of us and other countries in asia may be moving toward china and to remain relevant. We really have to look outward you let me invite both the ambassador. Issue nerve and professor jamila busey and professors sorority to comment on european attitudes towards china and the possibilities of cooperation with the united states in asia and toward china. I can be. I can be very brief jane. I think you're right on the mark. I believe that china will turn out to be the single most important long-term challenge to the transatlantic community. I believe we can handle the balkans more or less. Well i think we know how to deal. I hope we know how to deal with russia but we have not yet found a sustainable manner And and and and method to to deal with russia we need a serious consultative framework across the atlantic to discuss not only questions pertaining to the task of nato etc but we need to focus on china and that is something that lorries not only knee and many of my friends because what we need to bring to the table as we started transact transatlantic dialogue and china is and a european union position on china. You the americans. You will not be happy if you have to deal. On the issue of china with twenty seven different little countries with twenty seven different views in china that would be enormously frustrating. Therefore our job is to get our act together and come to you with at least some agreed strategic ideas and then consult with you and hopefully agree on on a lot of overlap and a lot of common interest. Thank you Professorship i would agree with all that i would also add that anything. There are three areas in which building common alliance might prove especially difficult given what china's doing right. And i think you know. The first issue of course is china's economic dominance and the fact that new even imposing trade sanctions that president or the patients that president trump did who had very difficult and painful second late this china's use of sharp power as larry. Diamond calls this deliberate use of basically going after going after unfavorable press coverage. You know what's happening australia. For example trying to buy off and peace that abusive sharp power is difficult to deal with. Even the united front and i think third. There's something that has happened while we're all busy looking at other things. And that is the fact that china has built very strong networks in both economic and political dependence and trade in both latin america and in africa. And it's clear. Just how much reach either the eu orleans saints together or alone can do to counteract up. Thank you professor. Soroti san question. Thank you for your question. Yes seconding everything. The previous speakers said obviously relations with china is an area where the us european relationship will be very important hopefully the That will enable and foster cooperation because it will concentrate in mind the importance of working together. I mentioned earlier. That thomas right article in the atlantic Tom wrote that. The inescapable political reality in washington is that competition with. China is the only way to persuade a trumpian republican party of the benefits of international cooperation. So that will have as you well know. Having is your background that have domestic political Instr- domestic political uses well as usage in transatlantic relations and hopefully concentrating minds and fostering cooperation. Thank you next question. Take our next question from joanna shelton. Please accept the immune. Now thank you very much for the very interesting session. My question perhaps is best addressed to dr. chris mellow boost. But perhaps the other says well. I'd like you please to talk a little bit more. About the stresses caused by the turn away from democracy and the rule of law in poland and hungary and the risk that this trend and you mentioned bulgaria but also we see in informer. Jeremy there are certainly strains of has set are so. Please talk a little bit more about that stress within europe. Sure after nine eighty nine widespread liberal democratic consensus across most of the jets and the idea basically was that new elites would stand shoulder to shoulder around these joint projects of a shift in the market of eventual accession to nato and eventually session to european union and would that lead to is basically any kind of a lack of internal critique or internal set of criticism that was politically expressed. And in that situation. I think you know what we've seen is basically a wave of populace that capitalized on this lack of debate and lack of criticism and this is wave of liberal populace has over in hungary and twenty ten than pull in two twenty fifteen in check. I would see them. In bulgaria romania the white spread over the region in facts. If you know the average vote for kinds of oculus parties is over. Thirty percents Across the former communist countries. And the problem. Here is that because of members of the european union as they make their shift towards increasingly illiberal domestic politics they introduced stress within the european union as well their objections to any kind of rule of law in the repeatedly objective rule of law to any company international treaties for example on the rights of women and domestic abuse and so on and curling. What's happening. Excuse me this place. Role in the european eu eu politics itself. One of the reasons why feed us. the ruling. Hungarian party has been able to get away with so much is because it's one of the leading members of the european people's party in the parliament and basically the leaders of the your of the people's party in the european parliament have refused to castigate have refused to basically allow any sanctioning hungary and so because for fear of losing their so priority in the european parliament and as a result of that kind of putting party over the you what we see basically is hungry especially growing increasingly more illiberal and at the same time more powerful within the european union it has gone unsanctioned and you basically have servino a fox within house you have to highly liberal governments who have no commitment to the rule of law in fact currently holding the budget european union budget hostage over those kinds of issues. Let me invite either or both of our other panelists to comment either on liberalism in eastern europe and or on populism in general in europe. Mary ambassador okay. Well let me let me put it this way. Let me talk about the general populism problem. Yes it has grown not only in hungary and poland and has grown throughout. even we in germany have bob. What is called the imf which is a right wing populist body which enjoyed Laurie some to most Considerable support up to lock in local elections up to almost twenty percent. But here's the good news i think. In in the majority of european countries of you'll member countries the fallout of the covid nineteen crisis which we're still living through will give a boost to those who are trying to explain to the european voter that there is no solution to these challenges if we try to solve it on a national basis as Dr ted rose from the w. h. o. has said We're we will only be safe if every once everybody is say and that will lead. I believe to a Due to growing support for the very idea of integration for the idea of europe and let me remind those of you who have followed events in europe that took the covid nineteen crisis to finally reach a point which we reached the beginning of this last summer. Where against you know. Years of opposition finally member states agreed that the european union could actually Enter into a debt arrangement for many years my own government was opposed to that and others were opposed to it. We have as some have some have called it a handle tony moment. Equality the jump by the european union forward into a new phase of of integration. so simply what. I tried what. I'm trying to say is a as worrisome. As these waves of populism are there's also a little bit of good news there and i think we will overcome soroti. Would you like to comment just briefly. I know many other people having questions coming. I thank you michael. You mentioned a my forthcoming book. It's on focuses. On the fight between the us and russia over nato expansion in the ninety s and as part of the research for that book i read a very interesting recent article by pulp host and alexandra. Chinchilla came out in international politics. Dumber and it looked at the connection between namely the arguments for nato expansion and post inch had a very interesting finding which is that. What's promoted democratization was the hope of getting into nato not nato membership itself so while that was being dangled out there there was motivation to make the kind of hard changes you need to make but that willingness decreased once countries were actually in nato and so That's an interesting finding that suggests that the it's really the process of trying to join international organizations rather than being inside them. That makes a difference. And i think we're seeing that playing out and that's re flooded. Joanna shelton's question why is Being in these international organizations not yielding the lasting democratisation. We hope for in this post. Finding i think my provide part of the answer. Thank you let me a note that we have a bit less than fifteen minutes of our session remaining. And so let me remind of questioners panelist to make their remarks with the sickness that they have done so far and for which council meetings are well no next quest. We'll take our next question. From james gilmar please accept not button great. Thank you very much I had a computer problem a few minutes ago. So i'm grateful to have the chance to get back into the queue. I am the united states ambassador to the organization for security and cooperation in europe located in vienna of this organization meets every week with fifty seven ambassadors fifty seven countries and state are a positions and to negotiate I meet regularly with for example. Our western european friends in the quad. In fact. now. I'm meeting sometimes two three times a week with the british. The french the germans and the americans and the clod this is an organization that allows us to negotiate with the russians And to carry out. American policy i mean this very day. I already met with the russians. The turks of the germans. The french the the The english and belarus ambassador. So could i ask you to get your question. Please i will. My question is are the three people here aware of the and what it does and the question is what role do you believe that. It plays in the security of europe and north atlantic region since we are very active in that organization. Ambassador ambassador gilmore. Thank you very much for the question of. I am certainly not the only one in berlin who is a constantly aware of the important role i would add of the potentially even more important role that the oas e has played should play and hopefully. We'll we'll play. I chaired four years ago. Five years ago. I chaired on behalf of the A so-called panel of eminent persons trying to describe ways to strengthen the european security architecture and of course you and i know The weakness of the ee decision making process which because it is based on on the consensus requirement. But i have seen with my own eyes in twenty fourteen. When i served in ukraine as as a special invitee of the chairman in office of a hissy. I've seen with my own eyes. I experienced how the chairman-in-office can use this particular function. A if he has a little bit of luck and a little bit of enterprise to the benefit of solutions in crisis situations and. That is exactly what happened. Wendy fourteen when the swiss Then foreign minister traveled to moscow convinced president putin to to allow the creation of this monitoring mission which still operates in eastern in eastern ukraine. So i think the oecd all the support. We have as. I'm sure the the participants in this call here are aware. My government recognizing the importance of the has over the candidate for the important office of secretary general was and and to my immense pleasure Helga schmid who has been working with the european union. For the last ten or fifteen years was just recently nominated and elected to this office so we attach great importance to the oc. And i. i just hope that the consensus requirement will not stand too much in the way as as we were trying to go forward. Bill depend. I would imagine on how you're going to manage your relationship with your russian colleague in vienna anc you up because our other panelists are renowned specialists on europe. I think i can say with confidence that they are both well aware of the sea and the good work. It does so. Let's move to the next question. He will take our next question. Laura please accept the mute. Now button. I good morning every well. Good afternoon everybody So my question is related to region. That i noticed is not talked about a lot in european circles which is africa and sorry and i work at on the committee on homeland security. I'm in washington. Dc and so my question for any of us so since people tend to talk more about china is how could the us europe cooperate on issues related to africa. One big thing again is that we saw a lot of migration and continuing migration from the african continent in two thousand fifteen at onward at coming from the mediterranean and then also twenty fifty one in four people in the world will be african. And so i wanted to see if you have any thoughts on how the us and europe could cooperate on issues related to the continent. Thank you let me offer Our panelists the opportunity to answer that question in alphabetical order and let me emphasize that each of you is free to pass. Professor jamala busey in you. Thank you for the wonderful question. I you're absolutely right. Africa has in the developments in africa. Had largely been neglected. Not just on this panel. But it's more more broadly in when we talk about european and news corporation. I would end briefly that these issues are not going to go away. I think you had questions of regional stability during peace and immigration going to get all the more critical with climate change and the fact that that's going to force millions of people to move from regions. That will no longer be inhabitable humming. That's going to hit africa person from us. So i think the urgency for cooperation is higher than ever on. The stakes are higher than ever. I'm not sure exactly what the best set of policies would be. Yep yeah as thank you for the question. As i as i said at the outset the focus here today is on europe but the list of challenges facing the by the ministration is long and includes many issues. We haven't even touched on today. We've we've actually barely talked about the pandemic which will obviously be a huge issue in relations around the globe. No country will be unaffected and so dealing with the distribution of vaccines how the developed world coordinates. The developing world will be hugely important. We have time to do touch on things like digital regular latian. We haven't talked much climate change. There's biden's call for someone dermatologist facing the incoming vita ministration times where. I'm deeply grateful to the man. Joe biden for being willing to take the job. i think he's probably going to shorten his life span by by becoming president and obviously the issues that you as important to. It's you know there's just more issues than we can deal with in the short time we have here today. Yes go ahead ambassador. Just just very briefly. I just wanted to add when thought to this africa especially africa south of the sarah will need all the help. America and europe can come up with together. The secondary effects of the pandemic are going to be devastating. Half of the country's others zahra are at risk of becoming failing states if we do not Come up with better ideas about how to bail them out. And for those among you who are interested in these secondary geo-strategic effects of the pandemic check the munich security conference website. We just released a long and detailed report under the title paulie pandemic because we believe it's not just one medical pandemic it. It is a multifaceted major crisis which will keep us busy for many many years to come. Thank you thank you. We're near the witching hour. I think we have time for one more very brief question. And one brief response our next question from andrew. Rasic glad to see so many great colleagues. Here i'm wondering if we shouldn't be a little bit more optimistic There's an incredible trans atlantic convergence on priorities and most of these are global and not european issues to speak to jane. Harman 's question. I mean look. What's in that commission document. That wolfgang talked about climate in green technology digital revolution global taxation closer cooperation among democracies globally diffusing global trade disputes ukraine. Russia renegotiating ran more cautious policy on china. Both sides. No you can't reach total agreement on these issues but it seems like the most promising forward-looking global agenda for transatlantic relations early an administration in my lifetime as any panelist have a comment other than man. I'll many andy as always is right. I hope andy is right. I hope handy is right. As i said i'm i'm i'm trying to be cautiously hoping for the best and planning for Planning the worst. But hopefully you're right in okay. Well i think we've come to the end of our time. It's been a fascinating discussion One might infer from something ambbassador. Shing your said. The covid will kill populism europe. Although i don't think that's a reason to be grateful for it even if it happens and from something. Professor soroti said the way to promote democracy in eastern europe is to kick fending countries out of international organizations. Said exactly any event. Let me thank the council and particularly the council staff involved in this zoom meeting who have organized it but we the panelists for their acute comments. Let me thank all the council members were zooming in and let me close with the hope that we will all meet next year in person. Either in the herald pratt house in new york or on f street in washington or both. Thank you meeting jer. And you very much. Thank you so much.

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I just feel like i've i genuinely asked people like when i'm like at the grocery store or like i don't know just anybody that i know like the cashier or something like a stranger sir. I don't know but whatever like you know some people just like our good there peop- some people just go through life and just don't acknowledge a like people that are working. Maybe like four them. At the moment. I guess i don't know how to say it And i guess. I don't know i feel like i've always tried to make a point because i have also been that person that has felt like i'm being ignored while i'm like literally transactional. Yeah i like to add a little. It's a trader joe's they always have great conversations with them every single time at the register of it. But i think they that's part of their ed's part of the thing. Yeah yeah. But i do it every any other tradition. That new york. Oh yeah no. I'm when it's hurt when they're in a hurry. I'm like okay fine. I'll just like be quiet. I don't know rise. I think that is really noble. And i do agree with you. We should treat people in the service industry with a lot more respect than people them now. The fact remains that these people are still strangers. Unless you know you're you frequent your seven eleven or wherever you go. You always get domino's pizza every day and you do it long enough that we don't do it for a day. They send out a wellness check because they concern for you is permits. That happened not to me. On was there was an older gentleman or yeah i think that would always get the same thing every day and so one day. He didn't little pizza I think it was dominoes. Daylight sensibly and the the personnel like got an accident so us up the pizza the regulators. Yeah that was that was the on their own version of the can't get a life alert. Oh how long helps to. It helps to frequent one specific place. Like is there a place that y'all go to on a regular route you have a regular I mean i would say like cross fit. But i actually just had to take a month off. I know this no. I included guiding quit. I'm just taking a break. My shoulders giving me a lot of hanes lie and a. There's there's something to be said about people that like are athletes and have done sports like especially someone like that like. Even when you're a little i started so young that when i would have like a sprain or like something her i would yell at jammed finger. I would just play through the game and then later wrap it up an ice it and so now as an adult i actually see this working against me whereas like i continue to like lift heavier or like you know work out a little extra and then like the next day. I'm like yo you're not fifteen anymore. Your body is not going to heal like overnight how it used meal i had to take a physical break unfortunately By the you listen to your body because you never know. It's like if you didn't listen to your body and kept doing your hab a would have messed you up irreparable a rep. Think about profit is another lot easier hurt people because they want to compete. They put themselves in person. The like i'm at i. I'm not off by saying this isn't a cross. It is definitely a place where you can get hurt easily. Because you try to like p are like you're like oh i can do this wad with the what is the the work out of the day or whatever is on mount. No not what what things that you're like you're like oh you're like oh i can go heavy for this all fifteen minutes and then at the end you're like fuck. I must have like hit something weird or done something. But i've just been struggling with their shoulder thing forever Yeah i don't know taking a break. I'm thinking about doing yoga. I dunno. oh i heard about the ladas but it's really hard right now via zoom and stuff like that's the one i'm doing a little research on it. I'm not gonna lie. So if anybody listens to this episode and you have a somewhere in los angeles that you like Hit widener be like an outside easier to do outside. You know what i noticed. There's people in my building. And i don't know if it's through the people who live here but there's like an entry way on the side where usually like delivery vehicles. And then they set up like a whole cross fit in a circuit. A lot of people have been doing that on the outside. So i'm sure that you can find something for yards. Yoga's outdoor yoga for sure thought yeah but goats with the goat's hole. I wish. I wish i'd be happy to do any exercise. I wouldn't be so paranoid. They were pistons shit on me. And i know my luck and i know that it would happen. But also i'm wait- ed pages. They'll say they'll say that you were blessed by the goats if it pisses and should you which means there's a precedent and has happened before which to me means. It happens all the time. So i yeah no. I had cool rather not thank you. Nice novelty i guess people that do yoga literally. Exactly what i miss. Drive mr treadmills so much why. You don't have a treadmill on your don't you don't like on little it's close. It's been closed since the some people they don't open it. Don't open the gyms they don't open the the little gyms here saw my god. I didn't realize how much i 'cause i could do. Insanity and i can do weights and stuff but like running regularly on a treadmill. Because i already have done to assigns go outside but i feel like twenty thirty minutes. I can get everything i want. really yeah. Yeah though the fitness is it feels like so superficial but it also is like it is like i've said before many episodes like it is like i need to do like it's mentally like me for an hour just escape at least and feel like i'm putting in work on something else that whatever feels healthy you know But yeah definitely i went. I have a. I have a funny jim Thing to add. I guess when. I was in miami You guys know my niece. Amanda she Was going to this like little like bucci looking. Jim had never been to it And she was like it's really like they don't let a lot of people like it's everybody like cleans or whatever and she'll she's so funny 'cause shows like we're the only two bitches that are going to have real butts in there and i was like what are you talking about. And she was like everybody has a fake. But and i was like no way dude. You're like the girls. And i was like no way. Amanda will follow it brown. We walked in everybody's ass. Look so good. They were plumpy mostly fake they were real plumpy and there were there were yet. I mean they were like. I don't know i don't know like i was like i was like man at my sit is i've like i like was like so proud of my body. Like being sold like natural natural from cross bait and just eating or whatever and alison there and like the cleaning lady came up to me and she was like they haven't managed to you like a place where people immediately look at each others butts. And that's jim that's jim. They'll everybody if you go to gym and someone looks at your body like janitor. You'll be like commemorated out. Because she was we were we were holding the she was talking to amanda because she knows amanda so then she she like pretty much. You'll say to with david to her. Amanda no fun. I don't know it's so mind yard. And this is inherently my issue gyms. Yeah all everybody keeps body scanning terminator stone. Like yeah for somebody like me. I don't want to go through with that. Yes but here's the thing. I that's why i also don't like that's the thing and i did but that's something that i did it because i needed. Brian needed to leg. Lift something in lake. Let out some stress and whatever and so it was so funny because i was like damn damn. She wasn't wrong all right. Go ahead girls and there. I mean it was just like it looked like a bunch of influencers from miami. Those like the celica bunch of latina influencers liffey like booty miami. Then that's that's the miami. Oh yeah oh yeah everybody his is. I mean it's just it's cheap. You go to another country you spent a couple you know you go to columbia ali domain dot com back below edge. But i you guys. I you know i could fit outfit oscar. Okay okay okay because we literally had no picot. We just wanted to catch up on whatever so. I don't know if you guys know this. When i was in miami. I almost thought my boobs done. Have none no when i. When i lived there when i live just wet. No i was like i was I was like. I think nineteen years old and i i went. I went to the best doctor. And i was gonna get them done and everything and then i like chicken dow and i'm so happy because what was can i ask. What was the reason behind. I'm i've never had boobs in my. I still don't. My boobs are really little. Which i love. I really do like love proud. So proud of the body foot when when i was in miami like everybody had fake boobs and it was like yeah how to explain the. Yeah well no. Yeah in high school a bunch of girls like had them or they would go away for spring break and come back with them and like which is fine. Like i'm very much like. I'm totally for whatever you wanna do with your body as long as like that makes you happy on. It's safe but like it's so wild. Like when i went back there to like you know like back to the gym i was like oh my god like now. People are doing their butts more because like before everybody just had like a big old fat ass. I don't know lakers natural. It's in your genes. I guess but like now. I feel like it's different. I don't know. 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No but fact you working out. So i think here's the thing i i hate working out. I don't like doing it up. But i i like moving my body dan. The sad state of affairs is that my favorite place. My sanctuary the sweat spot was closed down. Unfortunately i am so i am. I know traumatized by it. However i discovered another place. That is incredible. It's a little dance church. And it's a seattle based company a long trek. Yes it's worth it. No they have this. They have classes online. Just go to dance. Church pro dot com or just google dance church every wednesdays at five. Pm pacific standard time. They have a our class and it's a movement class and you don't have to be a dancer to take these glasses. they're just movement classes. You will sweat and that's promise these instructors are asked. Each instructor is unbelievable. And it has the vibe of dance that has attracted me dance from a very early age. The community based Just celebrating different bodies. 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I'm not exactly sure if it's very gross thing when you put in someone's but others inches yes but when did you also then why would you. Why is it call. No you wiping them. I can't we're going to need some help. Why is it called a dirty sanchez though lane and you get a mustache. That's thank you. cody again. Okay a but why is. It called the dirty sanchez rules and probably racist because only like lat next people can get mustaches It's what maybe maybe would be french. The french you have a moustache. Yeah yeah but you know what. Because i'm thinking they were doing it because you know like the big mustache show like most of the most attractive asda's came from. I'm not. I mean i'm not speaking for or against it. I'm just thinking it would make sense. Yeah she's doing that. she has like a little. She doesn't like a little french mustache. Yeah and then. This is rachael. You guys can see him down here. he looks like the boy dog from lady in the trump. he's such a good boy. 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Make sure you post the pig and tag us and slurp slurp slurp me we are back from governor cdo break with an amazing multi hyphen it. Guest actor writer singer producer activists easy machen award nominee for stars as vita said. Thank you wound all of the wearer. That was such a good intro. Also add a fashion icon to the list. That hat deal had though the said you have like. Where do you get your fashion inspiration from 'cause like honestly you you got some serious reds like your outfits are on point well thank you for noticing a pretty much probably In there yeah definitely like about that. Like the diaz. Let me tell you last. Like it's i can't even the clothes that we find in their club giant. Its yeah where wear the me. When my godmother's cuban cuban dress me a so some of the stuff. I were in the red carpet long ago. Our something that's so on style. I think cuban music. It's a tour in my mother at one point. Dress need lights really. They would make all these dresses under my mother my mother and they would make all these dresses from me and one time i was really happy when she dressed me at her because she wore a one piece leather suit. A grey one other suit light pointed like our by take posing. I wasn't model at like four hundred or whatever five or to build. We can look forward to hosting instagram at some point back. Tv debut taper. Tvd tv t option third. So one of those people that we see all the time like all the time we when we even around are you just mentioned before we're recording. You bumped into tony pecan and like all like the latter next events so it feels like you're part of the media and i just wanted to like check in like how are you doing during this wild wild duck in time of world that we are living in favor. Seriously i love. Y'all you make me laugh anytime. I see all the social media or your chosen Just your energy. It's always let. I feel i wanna have around me when i was created the next people especially you know. Or however you identify you know within the diocese however were called were but these are asking. It's been a wild ride like you said it's like a roller coaster it's embracing and it's also lied us not getting back. Been doing the stuff of getting back to my roots are getting back to literally the roots in the ground. Like how can i grown food. Or how could i add. It's been something that i've always wanted to do. And now it's like the quarantine was allowing me to say. Hey it's true. I was right this whole time. I've been doing the work now. It's like i really do it. When i moved her here on the balcony or something like how can i put a grow some food but it's also been resistant to sort of all the shock doctrine. All this dog dose all the stuff that goes on every day from for years that we've been going through and For for many many before that though it's also like you know this is this is really like the the kind of every single day attacks is like triggering so much and it was just i. It's okay i'm like everybody else. Weird naturally delaying all these emotions. Because we're being like you know we're being triggered all the time and it's only natural for human beings to respond in the way that do the remind myself of that and check in checking in with folks in an isolated wave. But mike safe flight china. Do you know these kinds of these on zoom or facetime and from a distance and stuff but yeah. It's been tough you know. And i need to laugh. That's why i'm so happy. I started doing like i did like a little comedy joke. Workout with ida. are you on. How on her live shows and stuff in and i it was funny but so it's kind of like. Oh how was in such my. You know just laughing at a good time. Even though i'm working out materials usually the most nervous. I'd ever be you right. Especially i like her comedy. Som- just like allergies. I'm finding and it's okay to mess up really embrace that. It's okay to make mistakes publicly that we could. We could own that. And i just you know we should. We should have just council people that are within our own community just because we make mistakes publicly like we have to be accountable and show. How do that. So i've been doing that too and everything. How are you also recently. Recently i made a mistake about things something about the emmys and was like oh my god. There was all these next. Romney's this is what i said and this is this. Is emma. say this is what the emmys were. The did nominate on the about a america record are i think i think a lot of people though I think that's a mistake that that happens as well. Because i mean i don't know how you are you guys feel I feel like a lot of like the afro. Latin xers that are out there and are on shows like we don't know we don't we don't maybe know that they're even laden next. Because maybe maybe it's not being publicized when they go and they do these red carpets or you know the promo and stuff like that like i totally get like not knowing you know what i mean. I think i think it is part of this twenty twenty year like we're we're all still learning new things like as much as we want to be like you know super woke. It's hard it's hard i think. Also our culture is changing and we're adapting with a with a quickly growing culture so it's okay to make mistakes along the way but said about what you said it was. It's like you own up to it right and that's the big thing instead of ignoring and being like i didn't know who said that for exactly because we're only human. I think that's the big thing we have to remind ourselves. Like we're beings like yeah. It's inherently humans make mistakes so That's right. I wanna learn from one of these panels that i attended with zoe. those on on Canals with even mentioned this thing. This pointed out the fact that denim. Not seattle's don't have that the nets are afro lucky now known as you know Reps however call it journalists on the scene but newscasters stuff Excetera weather anchors to call. 'em happening. Yeah yeah well. That's there's so many on. There are so many like pulse. That i see of a lot of people saying that we should be talking to like are are like elderly family that are loud and next because like on the the the not sales that listen to which are usually on alamo. No pakistani financial landau. A black lives matter. They only being the they only. They're only for example like the like the bad media stuff like luding years on. It's like okay like there's so much more to this like there's so much more compassion that needs to be shown on not seattle's because compassion is something that these elderly people might connect to at that time. Because you know they they will go back and think about times in their life before when they were held at certain situations that are similar. But if they're not showing them they're not on instagram own like that parents. They're republican in the simulating when they immigrated to the not seattle's would get all the information in islands there like after a while i've also grown up in a certain point i would say things but it was like that's what their bible was like their new source with light legit. Yeah and it does that and you don't even know why you're doing it. You're like twisted it to make it like that. They can't even may not even prove that it's black lives matter or it was directly now and and so it's interesting because then i start thinking well where the gender non conforming gender fluid transgender people. Also there aren't there. You know how many times you know for myself like having to walk into face fluffy next. I've realized this time during the quarantine through disclosures will the documentary. The like as i was navigating my relationships in social media. That my friends are like Necks people even if they're progressive and everything just feel more comfortable seeing what they want to see that when the or when they see and that it the goto default of like everybody And i'm specifically speaking next so it's just really like one of those things that i'm like interesting because when it comes about gender variant or a man of if it's assist man that is active summit or it's Masculine ish like they'll say the north avenue all yeah girl okay. I told all the time from doing sports that i give off super masculine energy. And i'm like tight like i. I don't think that's a bad thing. And then like you know. I remember like even like growing up like people would say like all your lesbian or you're going to be a lesbian or your butcher like those kind of right right and it's it's so wild because like i like it never really bothered me. I was just like the other team because they didn't want you to play. But you know what i mean though. But it's it's interesting especially like i'd love to even dig a little deeper. Where like when you started speaking about You know a nightmare being nonbinary. Like how do you feel That that you know that affected your your world in hollywood as you would go into your auditions as you. Would you know be casted beyond said well before. Be the hollywood. Well hollywood would come to me. Because i was doing solo. Peter and i was doing my thing and i wasn't in doing television. Auditions was stop. This i knew was gonna take me internationally. I'm gonna be making money off of this. That's what i was going. You know in eventually. Maybe i could make a movie. If i could permit you know and i didn't really see that. A television work mapping. As i was working budda they came in. They would come and see my show than east high came and saw my show then. It was like a buzz that this invite you know kinda like the character and then they asked me to come in no agent. No nothing You don't have an agent. I'm like no. I don you know and i had to negotiate my own contract. So it's like. Oh wow thank you like rough like it was like a. I'm gonna be you know you get like we're your whatever it's called but it's like dang is i'm getting to know what this and i had to you know it was. It was a different kind of contract and it wasn't. It was like a contract. But i don't really know like you can't just go to an agent. It'd be like now that. I got the job you could. I mean a lot of people. Do i hire somebody. They're basically say. Hey i got this thing. Free money for you done john that but like i was like this is not that much. I'm like you know kate. Will it be you know i was. I was able to just not really get much or they will go talk to the lawyers and that was interesting. I really appreciated reps at that point because they have a whole other. Language is kind of like that whole thing of like if you do it because then fucking on method up too much. It's like a doctor operating on a family member is like when it comes to negotiations at least for me. I'm like little. Tell me they're not gonna get mad. Okay us for more. I doubt working. You have to pay you. Take out liberally offering this amount of money. Okay i mean no i. I kept doing at that point. You know then. I was able to do more tv but it was just like at that point. They were ready television already ahead of theater. And i couldn't get lit. I couldn't at that point. I was like dang. I have to figure out how good as book my my my mind solo theater show. But it's so hard you know because with an award-winning solo. Show that was hit in la. If like you're competing with everyone else loves a solo show to make an income from it and solas lying. I liked that where i'm going and i still have to hustle hundred percent in theater to get my own work and then it was like i couldn't really do that because now i was choosing television because it was hot like wait now. They're opening the door. I kept knocking. They're like no not not no those like now and it was like they just came. I was i went in and then would be that too. I was doing theater in tiny came. Father play Eddie and i was like what you i you know. I didn't even always said okay. And the nettie from the theater you know but it is true though because it's really hard to make money for theater especially in la. Because i lay by nature. It's a it's a showcase towns so evenly out stand up as well. You don't really make the money in la When you do live performances you create some kind of momentum so that you can go outside of la in the make money in terms of life theater but also that life theater earl's propels you to eventually have a jump in tv or film or whatever so it is it is tough hustle. So yeah it's a lot. Yeah yeah and then also it was like that. I realized that you know workshop being done about inclusive in theater. And i'm looking around and i see myself as the only leg and i was like the only one for a long time and so if debris like lonely but you know i did also learn. You don't not to want my own self to want life This is how i determine my relationship by you know. Like how much support on how i want you to support me. So that's kind of like also. Because even though i had my community that was support me when i was doing. Solo theater You just never know who's gonna be there for you and it's a real conservative person or sometimes it's like you never know near so that's what is to light jozef to be president in ready to go at all time since you never know. Sure yeah what you know. Once once the whole theme of gender Became more of like a you know. Talk about non binary the daniels it was it was it was different at that point and so now i'm just i feel like i have my much thin hand. I'm clearing ways with other folks. And i'm like hey somebody else said they have a much before me on the podcast. Gas sake girl but Okay so hurled by the way. I'm they damn but you know like a girlfriend or like. Oh yeah you know those expression yet. We'll because like you know. Like i mean i i always be calling. I told my boyfriend girl be like girl who actually takes back. Sometimes like i do like the b word. Yeah i get in trouble again in trouble. Because i'm like oh my god. I don't know if this person even cares that. I call them like you know like sometimes you say no. But that's another thing that i think it's like. Yeah is how you pie. I wish i wish Okay yeah So you brought up the which obviously Is such an amazing amazing show. You know we had. We had you guys. Aw on a show. I forecast show that we've ever done. We lose huge huge legendary. The tickets sold out like in a week. People couldn't believe that we had you know the show runner and like the lake all the cast. I think except for god yeah player. I guess i wasn't that memorable cuckoo. So v that is has a. It's you guys. Did this as of now like a final season for stars of you guys have any plans for trying to get it on another show or have they wrote it and she she did it so it's like who knows what's gonna happen because she was that no. We're sure know those lifelong what do you do with that. If you're writing the end do you say. I really artists to know that you guys really wrap that last episode perfectly because it can also feel like wants so much more and it's just like way to open it up in the future. It really felt like all. I'm satisfied with the wake of time shows and movies. They don't do that because they always bet on or they don't not talk to chose so they leave you wanting but i think it was such satisfying and in that same time. All i'm ready for another. You know sorry. The continuation of this new relationship with the sisters were like getting along and all that so much to grab so. I really appreciate it. Yeah yeah it's still isn't it like it could be. Everyone can have a spinoff like the leaves are mighty and like you know eddie and then who knows what life and he's been having so it's cool but yeah i wish he could have been done more but that's how it is Situation where we have one day at a time was able to take it to pa Now to see the as anti inviting but they also had already had already had that in the contract saying hey this is us producing it or sony singer it we did. You know it was the stars produced. Show so keep them. There's no pressure for them to do anything about it really. It's that decision not to move forward so for pm. Super grateful obviously lied to have have gone like from doing like like to locating aquisition able to make that much of a living was like driving uber. Luckily i gained forty pounds because then to look more like a areas. I like i was looking like i was thinner and i look like i'm twenty something. I'm like sometimes that other workout for your young. But when i gained weight not put on. Certain clothes Acted like Sort of was like would what was perfect in the in learned to trust that and win anytime anything comes like i didn't get that. It's like we'll ask because it's not meant for me and was proof that michelle was supposed to play that role outpost to play daddy roll like it all came together even though whatever happened like it's just it's out is but it's it's sort of like what's meant for you is gonna come to you and keep working hard. And that's how neat need it. You know But yeah i can. We ask document. I mean i. I did a little bit of a documentary but the the message in the documentary is so important. I'm really proud. That is it went to sundance. Did really well and being it's campaigning for the oscars for documentary and that's cool because it's like it's like the first time ever data any trans non or gender non conforming. Filmmakers are at this level. I'm i'm s- like blessed vietnam. A life ending rodriguez Like from less likely next community and he sees some Just from people. That i know is luna's mom was in life. She's a young trans actress is gonna come out in the craft. The new film. So did i know the graft the little you know now the crock. Yeah they're bringing it back but it's yeah she's so it's like i saw her mom. There was like this whole thing. 'cause join clips of of of of things in the end of television documentaries these just media that represents On by people. And so i'll friday. This is like an honor like like to say my chest is for real. Because i'm like i'm i'm there cutting it and i'm like a hundred percent and it's also it's amazing to the visibility that you have now in pump culture. It's incredible the amazing thing about is that it's a beautiful story but it is so modern all the representations like so today but the storylines are universal. And like your contribution to the show is. It's like you've left a legacy set like that's like your contribution to pop culture and then having you timing like seeing you in the documentary was like so great because it's like oh my gosh. I know that they're here. And yeah yeah and be that and be lake to lake your character and like everybody's character. I feel like it's one of those shows that like especially as the next person. There's there's there's been different moments. When i would watch the totally relate with melissa and this moment right then totally relate with year michelle or whoever it was even like you know who ever even a male character like something to happen to them. You know because it's not at that point it doesn't matter the gender because it's at to me i'm watching. It just is lighter next you know. And and i know you know there's there's also like a whole thing of like us i calling shows these just lat next because we feel like that might be on that might not be beneficial to shows and so i wanted to ask you. How do you feel about that. Because i think that's something that has come up a lot with With different shows. You know you're that carlos is on hint defied. There's one a time we have these shows. That are yeah. Sure they're they're all lat next. Cast split some latin x actors and show runners and producers writers etc are also are are against calling it a ladder next show yet definitely. I was definitely one of those Just from Be eight hours of back to back interviews twenty minutes long you know. You're they're talking about. They're asking the same thing over and over again became nauseating and it was like mia rover would be like and i'm like old reputation. It's exhausting because it's like if i it's just it's just it's it doesn't really It puts you as the artist in the show or working on the show like a hind. This this glass where people are are going to zoo is like oh look at the lat next people and this is how they off are here is still there. And so it's sort of like having the experience the audience that are all different races all different genders Appearances backgrounds. they're connected to and wayne Are light surprising. Because retie bad the defaults to us relating is white white people. And so i. I feel you know that because it's so much of a rusher it's marquis marketing and publicity need a spin to sell a story. It has to be a certain way in the press world that isn't served as because community foam of us don't even recognize our own selves sloppiness. Next people say the word termite next Totally disregarding their history indigenous people as well and so it's sort of like you know and then there's like well. I one time you know if i talked to. What was i talking to someone that was on like. I just didn't understand. Why ask someone on twitter. Why are you hitting the show if you're cuban because doctors are cupid and but at at that right and i'm like i get it i get it but it's also that's just our culture in what me as a as a us marketed. Consumer is population has to understand. There's a difference between our identities being talked about enough expressing and the Coming in trying to sell our show to our own people is numb. Been working to though. I think does not talk about it but talking about it in a way. That's like this or through but win. The astros pointed questions. It's it puts you as a lackey next artist Behind that wall also. I don't know if it happens to you but it's probably happens with all the shows but there's a there's a narrative that you have to be in competition with all the shows like when whenever the question about a show rises always like. Well tell us why we should watch your show as opposed to Nobody's asking to pick. It's such a narrative that actually happened not only in mainstream media but also in the lat next media like it's it's inherent in that whenever latin next show comes out has to somewhat be pitted against each other. And i think. I mean i'm sure that you you got that but i thought that was very interesting. What was happening with that. The fight and it really bothered me. And i just would actually stop and make sure that they knew that. It wasn't a competition in his own right now. Because i think it's like you have to be the only one. And that's a result of like our. Our structures are competing for jobs. The legal out is then like oh you got it in but then becomes the only one brown people only have the one that was kinda like molded that way i feel so it's it even if it is. I'm trying not to be that like yeah. They'll like become. It's you are in the we're like working in the hollywood or working throughout every day. It's like you know it could be that we can become that in that is hard nazi. Cause it's like you can be like. Oh there's that one there's so many of us we have to have to definitely break that that mold that was set for us instead of make it make it enough i we especially the cast were very Very intentional with how we were viewed as the cast and what we did with each other because we always wanted to show that you don't have to hate each other in order to seat lords climbing up Tear someone down like the crabs in the bucket and that kind of thing. I've better fact. I found the black community to in hollywood are able to to to to like have the network strong network support. They buy each other's theater theater for their shows. They trade off you now when they're going to do that and i'm seeing that lucky. Next artists are doing that and Starting to do that more. I feel like i'm not like the expert of knowing right Not their homes. Woody really don't break into peoples houses and asked what some people think that. I'm not you know but But you it's like that's kind of like another final how i feel like it is. Yeah yeah and we. I think we all can relate to that as well because you know a lot of times even especially because we are an extra doing comedy and you know we were in such different genre. Sometimes and like we we get we. Do we do get a lot of we reach out a lot. Because they're like okay. Well we couldn't find any anybody else we found you are. We only heard of you guys. Are that kind of thing. And in the back of my head. I'm like man. I could give you a spreadsheet of all hundred latin. Next improvisers right now. I mean i'm not going to because like you guys contacted us but but you know what i mean like we. We are out there and we get that. It's it's a nice sense of pride when that happens because you're like oh my god thank you like great but then at the same time. It's like well also you can reach out some me for like your english speaking stuff like your like angola markets the like we. Could we could do that to you know like we don't need to only in that little box. There's also the narrative that there just isn't enough talent to go around. That's the thing that also as long as we little by little we're breaking that like like you said said like we're Breaking the mold but that essentially is what we need to strive towards so that they can't use that now of like well. We just can't find and a talented. Sorry that's not real. That's not true. I would say to like when observer of what people are doing obscene eleven women. Hollywood has shown a lot you. Y'all are doing it here to the you know the men in the latino men here next mid and like for me like i'm building bridges with the latinos But i would like to build more bridges also the emails because john number. I'm like a little bit of both. You know or or a lot of both or not or like you know it just depends you know like but i feel that in that part of it too because then we we think about latin latino about the next but then there's also like you know you have to really kinda like decolonized or work out what we learned about gender to really truly include more people within our own community like even able. Isn't you know in other kinds of other other. People that are being excluded from from that representation. So i love that. We're doing it. And i'm so proud like i'm seeing you know and i love the shows that are obviously like the fight in one day. The time like said and to see how there's enough with branching and now there's a list that they've been building for years and like we're the bike ryan. This third line building. Sarah where we are so happy that we finally have you on. The pa Is there anything that you want to plug from. All black work we can. We disclosures on netflix. So right you know when you're right now he likes. Oh good testing much. I get by. I say that as my go-to now whenever but when some people have asked me about gender what do you see you know because it's so like people it's new for some people that are also wanna be open and they are open but they still have come from learn having learned the these you know what these beliefs are about Or general for me. People though i think is like the perfect documentary watched like this is the basis like this is why we are here in this time. And thinking this way about our transplant on binders And really just mind below blowing by myself. I realized hey. I was ignoring so many film. I drew a blank when the phoenix event. Hiding our right. I haven't watched that many jones. I'm an actor. I don't watch. Smells like and really difficult. But i you know the things i've mainly talked about. Were you know the the whole With a colleague. Jerry springer type shows vividly growing up and i did talk about that of comedy. But they didn't didn't make it into documentary bud off that of comedy for a long time But it's it's on netflix. It's it's it's incredible. And i know that that lebron cox is in it and there's all these wonderful trans nonbinary mainly trans people mom in the documentary talking about their lives experience. The filmmakers are trans and queer. A non binary like a mix of from the pa's makeup everybody and so it was a beautiful community that put it together. nasa point. 'cause you could feel it Much documentaries like there's no flowery nothing it's boom you're right in it and we're going to tell you it's very precise it's just it. Just these everyone. Stories opens opens me up to like. Who am i got. I didn't even know that. I forgot about that or i didn't even know that happened. Why do i matt like locking from memory. And it's because it's very to go out into the world you treated the way. We see transit on barrier treated every day through the media. That will see so. That's going to happen. You're going to be met with violence going to be met with ridicule or the butt of the joke than why be you know and so. It's kind of like but if you to to see that the a transplant makers like that. I didn't know where translate are into like the the creators director of the matrix which asking siblings. It's i had no idea. I remember the movie. But i didn't really watch it much. I don't i didn't watch it. But now i watched it. And i was like whoa. This is about this l. Yeah so so. People can check you out on disclosure on netflix and also v on stars. It's still there if you haven't watched watching on amazon where yeah and then where can people follow you on instagram and on twitter you can follow me on. Twitter said the f. r. a. n. z. O. a. T. e. g. r. On name baby. So don't worry though we'll tag it we'll tag. I know probably it out and you guys can follow us at spanish presents on instagram. And you can follow me at reisali say on instagram and on twitter. Of course it's carlos on instagram. You can follow me at ozzy mo- on instagram and twitter. He can follow me at my What my that's it sounded out. Carlos and tony rodrigue on all the things really quick before we say our goodbyes. We're gonna take a picture so don't leave yet. We're gonna pretend we're leaving. I forgot the that. Okay here's us leaving club komo. These sales guy europa sale. Thank you thank you so much for coming down for coming onshore virtual spirit. Thank you so much. Thank you for making space for hearing me out for sharing this than laughing at the moment is the best medicine. The best experience have so. Thank you for for give it to me. Rameli hill on castro secretary of housing and urban development under president obama and a former presidential candidate. I'm now hosting my own podcast series with lemonade. Media called our america despite growing up with modest means. I had the chance to pursue my own american dream. Unfortunately my story is too often the exception facing poverty hunger and sometimes discrimination. Many americans don't even have the chance to dream. I think we can do better. Are america a hopeful. Humanizing look at how dramatically the american experience shifts from one person to the next hour america features the perspectives of everyday people as well as community organizers big thinkers and cultural icons. Join us as we explore why the odds seemed so stacked against so many. 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"Snow Angels in April"

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"Snow Angels in April"

"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. It's four Pete. I'm on the right side. It's port be dead in its four dead in. I got the last part of that round one guy. There's two people who make and won miss. And now it's for me to go back out one more time, and I miss I hit. I thought I'd get a great. But again, I hit it to the right and guide comes up to be later and says you take any time on that part at all and fates tiger. Thanks. This is General George Washington. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser. Alrighty, then we're live at chatter, which is at the corner of Jennifer street northwest and Wisconsin avenue northwest full service for profit restaurant emphasis on the full service and the four Brock. There's really nothing else emphasizing that particular comment, and we're open now. We've got David Aldridge here, and Tori Clarke here. Michael Kornheiser here Nigel's here to run the board produce the show do the news. But Nigel is leaving us on Friday. Where are you going priding? I have a court hearing taking a slight vacation take vacation. Vacation actually going down to Florida to see leopard. It's ten, but you never know. So so Nigel said, you don't we sort of agreed not to do a Friday show yesterday. Karen is taking orders, and it's in our ears because it's orders. By the way, she's at the table count is at the table with Joe arrow and Steve Lipton who are fabulous performance. Everybody should get to two of her best. If a Karen, right Karen's birthday. Take care. So where am I? So you're gonna take off and I decided not to do the show. But now I've decided to do the PTI. So I may as well do the show. So we'll bring in subsidy produce and Michael will do the news Michael has knows how to check them my flight and see. No, no, no, go on your trip. Have a good time. Tom get your plane right on time. I know. Do we have the producer's name is Wallace pip? Do we have the Cinco de Maya menu? This is this is our special menus Friday. I'm sorry Saturday and Sunday this week Komeito, which means food. Yes. There's chicken too key. Does there so pace which are not Filipino soup as Chris cillizza ridiculously said yesterday, there's soul a Verde dig polio. Which is a green sauce chicken there. Chiro fries bananas foster Chimi Changa and nachos dul say and the Chiro fries and the nachos. Dul say are are adorned with Mexican chocolate dipping sauce, which is to our restaurant. What corn syrup is to Bud Light. Yes. Or Miller lite or cores light or whichever one uses it. We're favor of corn syrup because for three hundred years. Everybody used it and we are in favour of Mexican chocolate dipping sauce. There are Margaritas. There are dizzy fizzy rita's which. Cuervo traditional silver tequila, fresh lime juice mint simple syrup, and Teijin rum. That's nine bucks. That's great. There's bottled beer, corona and Modell, all the twelve ounces or five bucks. That's really good for a right, Michael. That's good. Sure. Five bucks and the thirty two ounce. Corona familiar is nine bucks thirty two ounces. If you do the math twelve times three is thirty six thirty two is close to thirty six. Yes. So that would be fifteen dollars worth of beer on the regular bottles. But only nine dollars on Saturday and Sunday at chatter in other news from Denison university from Mike Croly, Michael please, explain my Croly micro is a freelance writer who works mostly in the Gulf space, but also in the travel world in the travel world as well any rights enclosed, you'll find a copy of my short story collection any other place. I'm aiming to be the official short story writer of both the podcast and chatter since we all know that literary fiction, especially short fiction is Luke. Has owning restaurant. I became a fan of yours. When PTI first premiered later found the show when I worked at a deadening job in Richmond Virginia that literally required me to cut and paste company descriptions into an access database Reginald could perform the task better than I since. Most of my morning was eaten up listening to you and looking for other jobs on the internet after brief eighties of listening to you over the air. I'm happy to have the podcast, and you and your crew friends back in my life. It's been a great source of enjoyment and a bonding point for my older, brother. Tim shout out in me. I'm hoping with a push from your show and its legion of Little's literally baby. I'll be able to have a reading politics and prose and finally be the lone author who can get to the bottom of why they shut down your dry cleaner or maybe, Tori. We'll just take pity on me and have me on her show to talk about books, including my own. The other copy of my book is inscribed. Michael has been kind and friendly to me talking golf the last year. I believe more golf less hockey is a winning formula for the podcast, meaning unleash, Michael so politics and prose, by the way in the news. Not simply for. Or closing my dry, cleaner and ruining my life. Not simply for that was rude. But for having they had a guide to a book, talk and white nationalism Nazi show. Yeah. They showed up and tried through megaphones to shout. Everybody down. Does this story in the post today, I handled it very well, Bradley Graham who was worked at for many many years. So I commend that story to you. But yes, yes, micro only can indeed be the officials short short short story writer, and Tori. This is a segue absolutely to into chatter on books who did you have last night? How was it? Did we have a good crowd industry? We had a crowd the beginning. I'm not sure where they all went. But we had a very good show. All others four. There was all the others. We had four of the authors of a book called. Yes, she Cam just ten stories of ten young women who worked in the Obama White House, and we had Andrea I'm going to get this, right and Nita and kalija and Taylor and one smarter and funnier and more engaging than the next. They were really good and really interesting, and we had a really good debate about whether or not it's ever okay to ban. Books generally, not good show. Well, what did you decide generally not only that doesn't that doesn't mean? That specific Michael the smart one at the table. Professor Kornheiser was talking about how Innis the there's a difference in in school. You have to think not about banning books, but what books are appropriate, and what books can you really use in work with to teach people, correct? Yeah. No. We were trying to figure out always making sure you have a why as to why you're teaching something or you're introducing it to a group of students or an age, but we're really trying to figure out the question ban is we ban such specific word why you might want to use that word or that idea over just introducing books at a certain staged or procreate time. So no that that that ended up being interesting with with the young woman who came in. It was the first time I felt excited about listening to political talk. There was still an energy that had not seen in this city a longtime. Yeah. Energy and passion, and they all work. They work for Barack. Geico Bama or Michelle Obama, Barack Obama. Okay. Yeah. Areas places and various positions and yet they were absolutely delightful. And we thought it was gonna be difficult to have four of them. But he got great cooked Nigel crackdown. The loss. Knew very well. Good. Monday. And this was this was marks idea. And I believe Michael your idea Abby Maslin young woman from Washington DC. Her husband several years ago, tragic accident he was attacked coming home from nets game and beaten badly brains severe brain injury. And she's written a story about what they went through his injury. What their marriage went through? It's really very very compelling. And she's on next week. There's too much of that. There's too much at sporting events. Now the guy at the dodger giants. There's just two people get angry, and they get drunk, and they pick on people and leave them in the parking lot for debt, you know. And that happens with a sort of increasing rate now at games, and it's just they're cutting off the hall, sooner sooner. Yeah, you know, this was this was a straight up rubbery. This is on his way home. It was Jayme related. Yeah. All right. Let me get into the actual show here. Which is we'll start with the NBA Philadelphia. This I will say the surprise me I have to pay attention to this because we do a television show, and we'll Bonn is in love with basketball. And so I have to have to be aware of cognizant of what's going on which was not hard with the Golden State Houston game, which I thought was a great game last night. I I sort of got out of this game because Philadelphia was up by a lot early by the end of the first quarter and into the second quarter, and I drifted away and went back to the nets game. And so I missed a lot of this. I will say I am surprised. I'm surprised that Philadelphia won this game. I understand that in the second round of all playoffs. It is more competitive than the first round. And so you you don't often see for four one in the second one you do but not often. But in this game, I didn't think that anybody could cover co Leonard. And in fact, co I Leonard had thirty five points. But it was pointed out pretty early in the game that Philadelphia win. Leonard went to the middle which he likes to do two and three people got his attention. So although he had thirty five he had to work for the thirty five. And what let Toronto down was they had Marcus Sahlin Danny green played sixty seven minutes got eight points. Their bench got two baskets too baskets the whole game. Well, David a well earned victory for Philadelphia. Surprised me you like you said second the only eight teams, and they're all good. So surprise, you would've wins. You know, so no they play. Well, they played very well. They did did a really good job of not just making quite work for his baskets. But they didn't turn the ball over as much Toronto. Didn't have nearly as many transition fraternities as they had in the first game, which is really their strength. Danny green did not shoot the ball. Well, had a chance to tie the game. Actually, Ricky Rubio shot hit nothing. Yeah. Wide open three to tie the game up at the end and didn't didn't make it. So but Philly played much much better thought Ben Simmons played much much better than he didn't game one and Jimmy Butler showed up. I mean, he didn't shoot the ball rate. But he was much more engaged in the moment in the game and scored thirty and hit a couple of big baskets late when they were hanging on Embiid. Embiid hit NBA, so they plan in laughed and his press conference as he does every single very scatalogical. Description of why he wasn't feeling well, Google it. If you want, but they played much better and Phillies a good team. Now there I don't think they're effort comes and goes their their focus comes and goes if that makes any sense, and so they were focused last night and play much better and Toronto didn't play as well as they played in game. Now, they did not sorry that I was a little bit surprised. Maybe I'm not supposed to be. But I was the other series is a series in the west in the in the lunch time forgot this is the series that if this was the NCAA's this is the series that would be on. Tru TV this is the one that nobody wants to see because Golden State and Houston is compelling sucks. The air out of the Western Conference. However, and I mean, I'm not going to watch this because most of those games are going to be on very very late. They do introduce you to players and the guards and Portland have been around a long time. But they don't don't get a lot of run. Because they start their games that seven ten thirty in the west and Denver Denver is a team where you can't you gotta be a fan to name the people on Denver. But they got this kid in the middle Nicoli Yokich who's very beefy sorta guy and God, he's good. He's really good. He he doesn't dunk. He lays the ball over on off the rim. He had last night thirty seven nine, and you don't have been who he is. No who. You have to be a basketball fan who know, David. Yes. Damian Lillard they're both very well school. He's he's he's from over there. I would get it wrong. So I would say Croatia. But I'll get some general. Louis mangas. It's good. It's a very compelling series between two very good teams, and people are very interested in your not interested into that's fine Sangram. Nobody's interested. Erica big basketball. If you ranked the series in terms of star power, you would rank this fourth Golden State and Houston would be one. I suspect alternately that Boston. The walkie would be to the Philadelphia Toronto would be three. And this would be for the thing about Denver is they were the easiest team to say, well, they'll lose in the first round. Well, they didn't and people need to remember. They finished second and for a long period of time. They were ahead of golden status. So very whoever comes out of this series. And I think this is Barclays point wherever comes out of this series is going to face a team in either Golden State or Houston that is emotionally depleted. Yes. Because that's that's. That's duke. Michigan state. Sure. And so the team that the Denver team or the Portland team twelve thinks and said so before the playoffs start that Portland was going to come out of the west. Well, again, they're very good team with very good players. They may and Lillard is a all league. You know, second team all NBA probably this year. So I mean, these these are star players don't now. Well, they. Yeah. I mean, I understand Charlton's point. But that doesn't mean that Houston Golden State wouldn't be favored because they went, and well, they should because they've done it before they bring they're used to playing emotional Golden State. Sure. Sure. And so they're used to it. And so, but it was a great game last night. I stayed up stupidly and watch the whole game. But it was a really good game between those teams, and it will be a really good series teams. I didn't watch. That's just me. We'll take a break. We'll come back. Jason lockenfora CBS will join us. I guess we will sort of wrap up the draft. If there's not allowed to do this on wilpon will not he will not engage. We will not engage. He will say the draft is stupid all reaction to the draft is stupid part of that is his belief that it's stupid. So that the NBA is more important. Pairs did not have a pick in the first. Mitchell Trubisky so sore. Draft. Everybody knows that. All right. So we'll take a break. We'll come back with Jason. I'm telling Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Tony kornheiser. This is the books ad for mother's day. Don't know how long we're going to have this Pook sad. Because of the way I'm going to read it. The introduction says this mom for the win moment is brought to you by the books where the mother's day flowers. 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This is Tim Wildsmith Nashville Tennessee song bones from his album, little armor. He said I sat down to write one day. And this song came out of matter of minutes when my girlfriend at the time asked if it was about her I did with songwriters have done for generations. I told her that was. This show, please give my best to the guy. That's a great Email and tells the story of rock and roll Tim Wildsmith playing in Jason lockenfora of CBS. Let's talk about the draft. Because thank God you will in wilpon. I I'm going to assume that the overall headline was Murray is that the most important thing in the draft. You have something else. I mean, I think it's the quarterback. So we can try to over think it I could sit here and try to give you a cute dancer and be real men. But like, it's the most important position. And there's a lot of drama and intrigue and subterfuge about them. And. I, you know, I think Murray has all the talent in the world and could be very successful. But you know, a quarterback of that size. There's there's not. There's not a ton of of empirical evidence to say they can succeed. There's not that many that have so that adds intrigue to it and makes an incredibly interesting. I mean this kid's a top ten pick in two sports. You've got no cliff. Kingsbury air raid is that going to work on Sundays, and then the corollary to that is obviously they Josh Rosen out a calendar year after moving up two tenths overall TIMMY would no conviction to draft them. And then obviously you throw in Daniel Jones and Gettleman and now he's under siege. In New York, understandably, so and you know, the Redskins take another crack at it. And then Elway finally gets his guy at the top of of day to so. Yeah, I think that will probably go a long way to telling the tale of this draft. What did you think of the way rose in went to Miami? With that lovely video just really really nice. You don't you're not only don't often. See you don't see it at all. What did you think of that? And I guess more importantly to his career if he had come out this year where I have been. I I you know, I mean how good is he he's definitely picked before number sixty two. I mean if you the Miami Dolphins. Whether he works out or not, I think that you have to nobody knows right? Nobody knows or the first fifty picks would I'll be home months here. Here. Right. It'd be the fifty best players out of the two hundred eighty or whatever. So the reality is we don't know. So I think what you have to analyze is the processes, and the, you know, the the sort of think tank that went behind this. And and where were they coming from and as groupthink, or is it somebody doing their own thing? And where was the value? And and is there sort of a method to the madness if you're Miami, and you really probably like next year's quarterback class more. But you're able to do your thing on Thursday night. And then on Friday, you're able to pick up extra picks from New Orleans for the future. Which is what it's all about the future. They're not the president and get last year's tenth pick at pick sixty two and the young man didn't get arrested. He didn't he you know, he didn't beat somebody up. He didn't lose his job. He he didn't throw a tirade. You know? He didn't throw a coach under the bus. He didn't demand trait. He just got caught up in the wash of an organization that was completely rudderless and adrift and was a mess from the general manager on down through the entire roster. You know, head coach included coordinators included. So if I'm by me, and I could buy that loan. Josh rosen. Yeah, it's a complete no brainer. I think the teams that should be kicking themselves right now the team Cincinnati. You'd takes a project tight end in the second round. And then, you know, Finley NC state top of the fourth to probably career backup at best. Why would they not take a flyer? Josh Rosen for less than two million dollars a year. You've got his rights for at least three more years, and he may be better than any don't. I don't wanna like overly dwell on this but cliff Kingsbury, I mean, he he's got a losing record in college. I know he had Patrick Mahomes. That's a great credential because that kid is fabulous. But they are they gave him everything everything. And as you say, and I wish Carla Murray all the best. But if he gets hit hard, I mean, everybody chasing everybody in the Washington area thinks of Robert Griffin just cannot help but think of Robert Griffin and kings berries. What do you make that? Well, the office of line was a complete failure last year. I don't see how it's markedly better. Now, they would say well, yeah. But it's a different type of quarterback into different types of you know, there's protection built in and there's his escape ability and all those things, but that's also when you get into trouble. When when you know when you when you do absorb some kill shots. It's when. You're outside the pocket one in around trying to extend place. We just don't know. I mean. We don't. I mean, the one thing I think that bodes well for him this. He has that baseball background three was attract guy. He was a straight. He didn't have the wiggle. He ran into kill shots. This kid is like a smaller. I say smaller like in the trunk more than like size because Russell Wilson's obviously. No behemoth when he to me is is got more. Russell Wilson them and knows when to slide in his natural slider knows how to get out of bound, and and and just has more side to side lateral looseness. I think he's a different type of athlete than RG three who was like a hurdler. But, but we just don't know. I mean, it's I think it's improved football team. But if he gets hurt, you know, what I mean God forbid a week four we five weeks six how much patience does ownership show there. I I don't know. Let me go to another quarterback quarterback. You know? Well, Joe flacco who has a marvelous record in playoffs mud. Hasn't done much last few years Denver. You know when John Elway signs him. He says he's just entering his prime and everything is great. And then he drafts this country. Lock is already in trouble in Denver. Yeah. He he had the same thing happened to two years in a row last year was picked thirty two this year took forty two doesn't for fly. It doesn't really matter in the end. Because while I think they want a red shirt drew lock if if. You know, Denver sitting there middle of the season. And it's a middling offense. And flat goes what he's been the last four five years, which is relatively beat up. Bottom five league and yards per attempt. Not super accurate. They're gonna make the change. You know, I just believe that because Elway in his heart of hearts, he looks at some of these prospects and season self and his love affair with drew lock was well documented for quite some time. You know, he's under some pressure to win games now because he's John Elway. And all the cash that comes with that particularly in that community. You get an incredibly wide swath to do your thing. And the fact that they don't really have an owner right now, certainly works in his favor. But yeah, they've got tight end. I right. And they feel like they have some pieces on offense not a whole lot of wide receiver. But they did run the ball filled. Lindsey. They have a good defense. They think they're going to win some football games. And if flacco. Looks rusty. And really the problem for flacco is now but for years since he got through a season. And I I don't know that that portends and ascending player or you know, somebody you can count on. He's certainly been beat up the last few years. I would say I if they play lock to suit they do so with trepidation because he's not ready. But my hunch is he plays football this year. Flacco goes from the frying pan to the fire place. The other Jason was there a draft you loved or draft. You hated where you'd say this team stupid knows doing. There was a lot. I liked there. Really were I found myself kind of nodding along a lot of these picks. And then you look at it within the context of what they'd already done and what their needs are. And with the market forces were, and and when the runs were coming on certain position groups, and you know, I kind of liked it a lot of teams New England. I really like what they did Baltimore. I really liked what they did. I love what Miami. Did. I even I love what Arizona did the kids got to be a player. But if you look at the totality of the draft. I think a lot of things fell the place for the deal out of things to teams stuck out his teams. I I didn't really like what they did Houston. How he rose for Philadelphia jumped them to get their tackle they panicked. This kid at Alabama state who who may be a great left tackle two three years from now. The problem is showed Watson maybe in a hospital bed vade need. How rightly big Dow. And they. Need to start winning games in January, and they made it known for weeks that we're going to move up where interested in moving up at somebody else moves up to take your tackle a couple of spots ahead of you down. And now the positions been been fairly picked through and you kind of reach a couple of times when you have immediate needs. And you know, your quarterbacks seriously injured two years in a row. I don't know about that one. I don't know. What is it Tampa as well? I know they love that linebacker, but they've got no outside pass rush. They didn't really address that they took some okay, you know, pieces for the back end of their defensive the defensive backfield. But nothing that stands out moving up. Take a kicker in the fifth round. You know, they took some projects. And that's another team Bruce Arians. I mean, he retired just a year ago because of health issues, you know, and now he's back after one year the booth, but he's trying to win. Right. Bleep it down. And I'm not sure how much better they are again, given Gerald McCoy away. I. I wasn't loving what they were doing. There wasn't overshadowing of the draft with the tyreek hill news. This is the second large star in a row for Kansas City to be involved in something. This has no video like Kareem hunt where where they cut him in twenty four hours. Where are we with tyreek hill, and and you know, what we're are. We with Kansas City will also signed Frank Clark was tossed out of the university of Michigan's football program for domestic violence. You can take it back a step further. I mean, this December first twenty twelve Giovane. Linebacker on their team, right chills. His girlfriend Cassandra Perkins goes to the team facility Neal's buying a car blows his brains out. You might think at that point. If you own the Kansas City Chiefs. Hey, I'm not sure I'm playing the football game. The next day. They did. But be you might think that at that point. Right. You huddle up and say, okay. No one saw that coming with this young man, but we can't ever go down that road again. So we're going to be super vigilant about individuals. With not gonna say character risks. But how about guys who have established histories of violence? Maybe we need to be super careful about who we bring in here. And let's try to go in a different direction. Even though no one saw this coming with with with Belcher. They've done these act opposite. They have had an open door policy with guys with characteristics. And even when they cut Kareem hunt. Go back and read the statement. It's not just not for what happened exclusively. Because he lied us about in the moment over how dairy it's not wait a minute. We can't have our best players kicking women in a hallway. They couldn't wait for tyreek hill situation to be adjudicated, or at least to get some clarity from the DA's office before they had a deal replace for Frank Clark. So what what what am I to believe about the Kansas City? I just I just know what I've seen for six and a half years now, which is an organization that continues to find itself in these situations due in large part because it's willingness to do things that will put them in this situation. Why is why wasn't tyreek hill cut a suit? As the thority said, we need to get this three year old away from him. He has no visitation rights even supervise we believe a crime was committed here. We're letting the mom see the child. With with supervision. We're not letting tyreek you'll see him at all. We don't know what we could prove right now. But if that like that wasn't enough to get cut immediately. You know, the audio of child saying that he did it. Wasn't enough. And they're introducing Frank Clark last Friday. Within what twelve hours the DA, saying reopening the case? So that I would what am I think of the Kansas City Chiefs. What matters and what does it matter? And I put all of that. And I wrote a column about this yesterday. I put it all quite hunt. The owner, he's the constant people. Like tyreek hill who punched his girlfriend in the face choked her and punched her in the stomach while she was pregnant in college. They don't get in the building and let the owner lets them in. He's awful lot of draft board. He was drafted in Kansas City. So what's the league going to do all venture put him on a Commissioner's exemplifies to some other such designation to try to, you know, put this on the back burner for awhile? But I mean, I believe in second chances and all that stuff. But but. Tyreek hill has no place in the NFL. I hope nobody if this is all the biggest hoax around in which case, I'm assuming we're gonna hurt from his lawyer by now, right? If that's not his voice, if this is Dr I'm sure we would have heard something by now. I hope he has no place in the NFL ever. Again. I can't imagine. He's back in Kansas City. But if you're if you cut him Wednesday, Tony can the owner now having just given Frank Clark over sixty million guarantees, can you now come out and say what we take this very seriously zero policy was your talking about how do you walk? All this like, how do you visit continuum there, and I'm not blaming him for these actions. But when does the Wendy you go out of your way to try to sure you get away from these people? They certainly haven't done that. How is the dog has copper? He's he's resting here on me right now. He's doing all right. I can't complain. That's better than the podcast these days, and I don't know what a little bit hiatus. I was gonna say. I was going say, where's you podcast? I talk to Jerry Coleman. We speaking. We gotta have everything. Come in here any day you want. I appreciate any. Thank you. Post draft. Thank you, Jason lockenfora who actually is not that I get stopped. But if people talk to me about the podcast, if there's any guests they mentioned, it's Jason they love Jason lock. And that's why I love that. He's still so passionate great. And by the way, you miss always saying goodbye to him on the phone. This is all I heard. Good Santo a couple of very much. We will come back with news. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Admitted you think that cybercrime is something that happens to other people. You may think that no one wants your data or that. Hackers. Can't grab your passwords and credit card details, but you'd be wrong stealing data from unsuspecting people on public wifi. 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Let Tony know about a fun local show coming up that I think would be totally up his alley if he can drink enough to stay away on may eleventh may eleventh is coming up in two weeks from Saturday. I'll be joining seventeen of DC's top vocalists to perform Joni Mitchell's blue and Bob Dylan's blood on the tracks in their entirety. His shows produced by new Meyer flyer, and that'll be at the Hamilton. That's downtown free. Tissues at the door, fun fact producer Ronnie new Meyer, really sent you a new mail bag thing that you've used a couple of times anywhere. Appreciate the continued support and be awesome. Tony mentioned the show to the locals every time you play some of my music on the podcast listeners who come out to shows. I love meeting them and discovering the connection. This is from her album or so it seemed and this is a song called what do I know? Inspired by the many, stupid, sexist comments. As a female musician, which is so lovely if people like Sarah curtain. If they want to have their music played on this show in its entirety at the end of the broadcast, which is usually better than the entire broadcast to skip to that. How do they do? So Michael, send us your music by emailing it to jingles at Tony Quinn other show dot com and the Hamilton is a great place. Yes. Yes. That's downtown Washington DC. Yes. And that is we'll plug that again because that's may may eleventh. Yeah. Week from Saturday. Okay. Do you have news? Yeah. I just wanna point out to Mike Crowly who is now the officials short story fiction, author college went to college. There's no copy for me. There's no gifts as tribute for me the book, that's a mistake. Yeah. That's gonna make good with me. Yeah. Yeah. But we love Denison. And we're very happy to have him on board. Tony has stone out with baseball stone of wealth for the nets last night. Did not end. Well, they the bullpen didn't blow it. Yeah. They score on the 'nother manager would have taken the pitcher now earlier six. Runs in the fitted. Yes. Yes. Hit hit hit hit. And they lose six three by the way. This is after and I was driving home by two outs blame Nigel entirely for this. When we are driving home from the book show, walk a walks in a run the pitcher walked walk. How graded bat get. Great it bad. So I look at look at Nigel saying, you might have to come over if the ship turns this, and I did not so wild pitch. Four hits Corbin was out there a long time in the fifth and nobody came in to help him out. Nobody relieved now usually say, well you you hate the bullpen. I do eight the bullpen your starter is it's working. Yeah. It's it's so clear that it's not working at that point. You gotta get out of that inning. They were up three that. It's only runs were only scored in eighteen possible. Half innings runs were only scoring two at some point. Don't you have to say it looks like the other benches picked something up in your delivery because they were hitting him hard. You know, I this is going to be a recurring theme for me at some point. But I don't know that the manager is on top of the circumstances. I just don't even those who are not major sports experts. I might be able to guess at that stage the game time to take this guy out. Why would he possibly leave him in? He's rate lefty starter spent a lot of money on each drawn to be eligible for the w you want to try and give your cleaning and you have to get through the fifth inning. It was the fifth end. This is a four-game stretch. And then you're going up to Philadelphia again, they lose the first clean meaningful series nine. And so yes, we've had two two outings where the bullpen has been spotless. But what is this? What is the impact going forward over the next six games that are still very important games? So sorting out the bullpen possible turnaround. The berry spoke of today. Will you had the chance when the eighth inning? You have bases loaded. Two outs and your favorite second baseman, Brian dosier. Who's now, I think kidding up close to one nine ninety. Pops up weekly goes out quietly pops up daily. Team. And I understand that. I understand that this show is a local by turns. I watched their games. I look at that team. I I don't have a whole lot of confidence that the right move is made at the right time. And that includes pinch hitting for people that seems one moved to late. Yeah. That's learning. How to win the last war? That's already been formed. Just that it's so early in the season in early and you can't make any judgments because it's really I think you can't get in the water to me, and it's April it's not too early when you have four teams competing for the east, and they from the start we're likely going to be separated by as few as four or five games. And now when you're already four or five games behind you have to start looking at months like may neighbor'll thinking can they go six above five hundred. And it does not look like they have the firepower to do go. And you have this thing with in dome. Where you you you wait, and wait, and wait and wait and never put him on the DL and he hasn't played in the weekend. And he played one game. He aggravated the injury. Why did you put him on a deal for ten days? Let alone up thanks where he has her hand up. Are we missing a certain someone with very tall hair? I believe I I know I don't want to. I was one of those people who said it not have to sign him. Not that it has to be done. But I think you're gonna miss them. And I feel that we miss him because that is a bad that everybody is afraid of account. Forty comes up that doesn't strike ask. Is a threatening band. And I don't know. Now, there's guys were hurt Turner and rend owner hurt. I don't know that they have a regular foreign five times a day threatening back. I damn well do. No, they don't have it like him. Yeah. They don't Harry, it's the threat and you look at who has been in that spot. It's going to be one. So to who's still so young. And you look at how he's responding whether or not throwing the fastball and when they do throw their essentially throwing it at his head like they did. Yes last night. And he is he is in a little over said he still producing, but it's not the threat to have the game change because he was protected last year by other people in the lineup. Advertise hard. I. Not sure I'm not sure got to spend three hundred fifty I understand. And I'm not sure the record in terms of wins and losses would be that much different. The games would feel different because if you had eighth ninth innings, you don't have Brian. That's all just tore. You were reformed for into Bryce, Joe Scarborough, bellow the clowns. Was stay with Washington DC. You're about task some compadres on the wall on the Wath the wall same right field. Some new inductees would just start off with that. I think everybody in this room is the most excited about former Washington Post fortress and komo's any buyer who will have on this week because the Kentucky Derby Saturday. Yes. Andy on this week. Yes. For a lot of years as the David love, Andy. So so happy he's in the wac yet. Tom Brown who played in the NFL and major league baseball another. Joining you Sasha when I'm going to mispronounce his last name Serov sqi. He's the men's soccer coach in Maryland who has. Very well, three national champions. Tom Dolan, women Olympic swimming swimmer. Why didn't know is from here. Danny ferry. Absolute late Redskins coach Ray Flaherty dome. Charles men longtime defensive end for the Washington Redskins. Kevin payne. So Charlie when he quit. I look I got really annoyed because that's McConnell. Hey, would come into the lock of C, Charlie man, and they would pal around when you're on deadline is nothing. When you were talking to a deep. That you need to talk about Charlie would go at. Hey, you know, Matthew, mcconaughey? Else? I'd so I couldn't stand that. But when Charles me and quit. He literally said I want to become a celebrity endorser. He got a job on channel nine however briefly. And he just wanted to do celebrity endorsements that was his goal in life to tell you to go to f h for if you had an electrical problem, and he did it for a while. But then it dried up totally totally dry. Highs on his pizza dot com. He could have done something like that. Peace corps, my favorite my favorite is northeast Ford. But that that was his goal in life and more so than being on air to do the sports it was to be a celebrity endorser. So, but does he deserve to be in this absolutely Kevin Payne also in that leaves Kevin Payne pretty much brought soccer to hear? That's good. Maryland's women's lacrosse coach late tennis instructor player alley Ritz Berg. Yeah. And I I they've named the team the team he had a caps as the first the first woman ever won while they were in business team. I think Shen they get that. So they all friends of distinct friends. Oh is that? So let me be lonely. It doesn't look that up. But yes, so you've got company up on the world will this is this is the note that I wrote it said David can verify this. That's a full wall. Now will they just take names off Michael guard against? Check on really go on to let them take pictures at the palm. Eventually take recheck for your name every time we go out to the baby. You know? I don't know. What's going to happen down the road? I don't know. Congratulations to Sloan Stevens Josie outdoor. Yes there. Yes. Player soccer player. Yes. Very happy for both of this. Another guy who's happy is Chris beard, Texas, coach a little league. A little league contract this. There's only two college basketball coaches who make more money now than crispier, Mike. She chefs get John Calipari now, I would point out spirits doing a lovely job at Texas Tech, David how many national championships does he have zero all those? The correct answer. Where's ROY Williams has three and Jay right has two. And a Tony Bennett has one and Tom Izzo has one in Jim boeheim as one tubby Smith has when these active. Yeah. I don't know. It's surprising. But I mean, I'm no they they must know that he would leave otherwise they have to pay him so much money that he can't leave. It's a football school. I know that's the problem so football Smeal. Yeah. You know? I don't care how great text. It's not cancer. It's Bill self Bill. Now, Bill self is. He may not have a job at some point. But but these guys have won national championships. Crispy has done a great job and third-highest a lot. What would you talk about Mike Tomlin? Oh, yeah. Mike Tomlin had an interesting quote. The getting rid of Antonio Brown and living big chest. Just call me mister big chest. He he didn't send a nice video. Like Josh Rosen new on Bill. He said this is a direct quote. There's been a cleansing if you will. That is word that a lot of us can't say, no, all the implications of ethnic cleansing. But there is also this is this is Mike Tomlin saying of these two players. I am so glad they are out of here. I with stand them, and what they did that this team, and we're going to be just fine without you. Now, I don't know if they're going to be just think. I think I don't know if they're being as I think they'll be good. I think actually be good without him. Because it was such. You'll be happier. And I know I have remanded notions of the Steelers, and we are family. Yeah. I it's probably nowhere near what it used to be. But they were it was a picture rear. Ms, right. They kept the guy who is who's in the middle of this stuff to. Yes, they kept the quarterback who is very critical of a lot of players has he earned it. I believe he has. But you don't wanna hear it when he says it Ben Rothlisberger is not the kinda guy who says Hughes where I screwed up and noise. Not Tony's got to. He does to to got to. He's got to so, okay. Can I make a quick recommendation for hit out? Sure. Back to baseball, MLB dot com and read Richard Justice piece on yelich and Bellinger and the MVP race at is heating up and the back and forth numbers. They're posting. Cheers had an unbelievable April for the dodgers. Dodgers are good in yellow for dodgers have been good for for years. Then that should sign yellow because only does hit home runs against the cardinal signed him to get him here tonight. Seven o'clock, we'll send you money and couple of let him for the week. You know, again, they miss I miss that guy a little bit just just say, we up the worst thing. I want to put your mind at ease. I know you had plans to to the Macy's in center. Rosa today. I'd seen I saw the mountain line. There was a mountain lion. A male amount line was napping in a planter right outside of Macy's. So vicious was not an insignificant cat fifty pound mountain line. Yes. Wow came in. They don't like to kill the animals. They liked to tranquilize them. And then place them back in the wild. There's snow recent to kill the Anna. Right. So they shot. One. Didn't take him down to three took four trank dots to known as me, bro. Yeah. He couldn't go down right away. But then then they grabbed him him. No, no, no. They released him. They think he was from a an era where it was. Yes. Creek near Santa Rosa plaza. So and they say often young males will do this because they don't have mom. They don't have the boot young girls. They do get same old shaggy. Yes. He can't shop online shop. Yes. Yes. He's working. He was just trying to get some trying to get an early do more walking. All right. We'll take a break old guy radio when we return a bunch of very small stories. I'm going to challenge you for the group coming up and Olga. I don't think you can name all the members of the band. We'll say I'm telling you. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. This is old guy radio for the day. He's at that point the young rascals, not even the rascals. Spend suggest that I can't name the rats. Dino Dinelli on drums, gene Cornish on guitar. Feels Cavalieri on the large Hammond organ any brigade with maracas. I've leave I've named at the rascals. Why we playing this song because this date in nineteen sixty six fifty three years ago? This song hit number one. Now, it was originally recorded by an honest name. Lemme b good. Who's actually really lemme Snell? And let me be good. Yes. Lemme by Johnny be good. Yes. Yeah. Let me be good like world b free. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Then is recorded with slightly different lyrics by the Olympics, though. I know you fixed and then in western movies Cavalieri heard the Olympics version of it and said, oh, we should try this to a alive thing. And it was a big hit live. So they recorded it so fields Cavalieri and gene Cornish still sort of tour a little bit as the rascals, and my friend Tom Jones, not that Tom Jones. Did a gig with them a few months ago and brought me back an autographed, you know, sort of like the brochure pro that they give out and both of them signed it cool. Fact Felix Cavaliere said he'd like to be on the podcast. It's hard to just put a, you know, I don't really know him to put him on the podcast, and then I would just sound like a fan boy. Let me get to a couple of things here. George mitchell. Vich who comes to the show every once in a while on Tim works in the US Senator George and is affiliated with writers series in Boston and Denver and San Diego. But he's lived his life in San Diego. He's San Diegan. I think that they are called. He wrote me I think San Diegan gone from anchorman. Dear. Dr k you said on the podcast Padres are bad team wrong. When Tim and I came to the show a couple of weeks back. Michael ask me about the Padres. I said the Padres will be surprised team in the NFL twenty six games in. I've no reason to change my mind, they have in in order one of the best defensive catches in the majors. They have gold glove winners at first second and third at shortstop. They have the games number one prospect who are twenty this is for not junior twenty in every game demonstrates why he's a brilliant fielder in an outstanding hitter. They have five outfielders any one of them could play for any other major league baseball team. But you only get to play three their bullpen is number three in the majors. And don't we envy that? And Chris paddock. They have one of the game's best young pitchers now. None of this. You know, because as we know your show is DC Centric doesn't keep me from listening every day. But it is what it is. However, the way they compensate for that is to read my notes, I try to cover it all is baseball notes fabulous inviting Michael wilbon, remember. Boy foot boyhood friend that was touching that was really nice and that was from yesterday's show remembering Kenny Arnold. But in fact, my sense is that the that the NATs they had a bad series against against them dolphin dolphin Moreland series against and I thought they were all terrible. But I guess the Padres are not terrible terrible near second place this yesterday. Right. So, but I'm just I'm just bringing iterating I'm bringing it up. This is more important than that dad's going through his phone in the call right now, I'm going to things to say one is my friend. Jody force dot who was a doctor in south Florida. Who listens all the time? Jodi said he called me yesterday. And he said I've done my due diligence. And I said what what do you mean? He said I have a lot of Canadian patients who come down for the winter. And I asked them about Toronto. And I said is it a mid western city. And they looked at me apparently apparently Canadians don't define their country in the way that Americans do with east coast westcoast mid west or any of that Canada stretches the length and breath of Canada from east to west is much bigger than the United States. Right. Yeah. Much bigger. Go willy to Prince Edward Island way out there Newfoundland way out there. So they have different geographical terms. I guess. But what he said was troubling to me because he said, well, I asked them what city do you most identify within the United States? And they said Chicago. Wilpon? I may oh will on an apology. What do you think is impossible the Canadian? Well, so what does that mean, they are Canadian ones that favorite jokes? What's the difference between let me get straight? What's the difference between Canada and yogurt? I don't know. At least yogurt has an active culture. That's good Christian. I love Canada. All right. Tell them a listenable. Melissa Moulay as you know, does the traffic early in the morning, dresses, the girls table point that out. Yes. So I'm I'm a big fan of the early four news with onion, and Melissa Molay an Aaron Gilchrist and Chuck bell often. Now that chino has left us fell was on scene of announced just chopping. I watched that show all the time, Melissa malay-. Is it fair to say Michael has been has been trolling me has been critical of me. I said Keshishian chess you up if you will she and yes, she and Chuck Bill salivate at at the notion of big snowstorm, knowing they business she wants to stop the sleds. She wants to go outside with her kids. Do snow angels in the snow and has said number of times on Twitter or insta- face. Whatever what what is the book? She said, you know. Like, Tony Kornheiser shut up because people like snow just because you're an old, man. And you don't like snow shut up, and Chuck bell has pretty much the same thing. 'cause I've been critical of them. I have been I thought they were doing the smile new. Killing me. So I get a note on Thursday night. I see it on my phone Thursday night at about seven o'clock, I'm home from PTI and on my phone, something forwarded from Gary Braun to bunny berko to me from Melissa Malays husband whose name is Jake shallot. He's a lawyer in town and said look Melissa turning forty on Saturday. So great if you could do something for it be very appreciative. It would be a great kick for her. Well, this is you know, this is Thursday night at seven in two days. And I can't really want you to come to the event. Testimony. Video in video. Normally what I would do is. I would write a script like we did for Tommy Friedman, Mike, and I would record it and Mike would do this for Melissa malay-. Although to be fair easing, though. Ideally, she is because he's not up at that hour. He's not watching that news. But I couldn't do that. And Bonnie was going to be off on Friday. So I couldn't do that. So I emailed her husband Email this guy. And I said, look it. It's pretty late notice. He said, yeah. I appreciate that. I, but if you come into the PTO show tomorrow, if you bring your phone, I'll sit on the set, and I'll say something so he did he came in. He sat on the set. I said rather nice husband had the phone. I said something to the effect of Melissa. I know it's you fortieth birthday. I want to wish you a happy birthday. What I really wanna tell you is how great it is. Now that we are into deep April. We're not gonna have any snow. Sorry kids the back into snow until. An happy. We're not gonna have because people don't want to be in the snow slows garb. I said a one do what people done in America for hundred years. Go bowling. That's what I said that what's great. Is that morning we went out and play nine holes. And we talk through what you might say in this video and all week long. Listen, I are planning to take Buzi down to the show. So he could parade around and take on Friday. He likes to take photos behind the heads on sticks to see if we can identify the boy standing up now the weather forecast had storms that afternoon. So I use that as the excuses. Why we we did not go down? But in reality, I was afraid to meet Melissa Malays husband because I thought he'd find out. I have a crush on her on on his wife is that right? You do. I'm sure not the first. Now, we know. So I get this Email from Melissa Molay. Mr Tony, I cannot thank you enough for participating in my birthday shenanigans. It was such a surprise to see you pop up in the video, and it just made my night, you a really sweet to taking the time to do something. Like that as I'm sure you get dozens of requests every day. Actually, I don't thanks again. The team was there and really got a kick out of it. So that was. Drag her kids into it. Kids. Making snow angels. That was nice nice this on the air. This other one that your show. It's your show outta Mandel data Mandel rights as the the he writes this dear Dr Tony I will keep this brief details to follow. This is something very special. I'm on the board of the Joe Nemeth legends of golf foundation tournament. This is the fourteenth year the event now you can't be my age and have grown up where I grew up there without idolizing journeyman. Those not washing news channel eight the entire history of the jets franchise can be summed up in this. That's all there is pointing the right finger in the air after that's all they've ever had one day. That's it. Joe name at number twelve with his index finger in the air. I did a story on Joe Nemeth many many years ago for now defunct magazine called inside sports, I met Joe name has spent a lot of time with him liked him. Very very much. There's nobody that I know much like Arnold Palmer. Nobody thought Joe Nemeth was a bad gun. They thought he was a nice guy and a good guy. I have a picture at home. Home that was taken in Phoenix airport of me, Joe Nemeth and Al Roker. I, you know, I'm happy with that as anything else in the world. So if you tell me there's a Joe Nemeth legends of Gulf down day interesting. This is the fourteenth year of the event is held at Bethpage state park. I think you know, it Zuno it, and we take four courses, and we have over one hundred celebrities we make a million dollars per year. Well, previously for the March of dimes and now for the Joe Nemeth foundation. The event will be held this year September eleventh and twelve attaching last us, brochures, can see what the heck I'm talking about. This year's brochure will be available shortly and says I'd like to invite you to join me, and my family wife, and parents at this year's event I've much to tell you about when time permits now, I do get invited to these. I never go to the I I don't go. 'cause I gotta work. I got this job. I got the job. I don't even know when September eleventh twelve but nine eleven whatever that is this year. But but but there's say last. Line in this. And it says, oh, by the way, I worked for Jimmy Dunn, and Frankie Alasia is a good friend and colleague of mine here in Durso is a golfing buddy of mine and my club on Long Island now. So is the lawyer right day longtime SPN lawyer, and I know him to say Hello. But but the great Jimmy Dunn, and Frankie Alasia Michael do you wanna tell that story you go ahead? Okay. So Frank when I was starting out at Newsday. I covered high school sports because that's what you do when you start out of new of big newspaper. You know, if you're a kid, you're not good enough to do anything else. And one of the great basketball players on Long Island. I was twenty one or twenty two years old, and he was seventeen or eighteen years years old at Saint Agnes, which is a great basketball school on Long Island was getting frankly, this is Rockville centre on Long Island. He was all Long Island. I team he went to Saint John's he started every single game for four years. He was not tall enough or good enough to go to the NBA. And so he went into. The money business. He went into the money business. At Wall Street. I had not seen Frankie Alasia and still have not seen Frankie Alasia for close to. Fifty years close to fifty years, but a couple of years ago, we were at the house of the great Jimmy Dunn who was taking Michael. And I in the great check volume into play Long Island courses and Frank you'll Asia's name just came up out of the blue and Jimmy Dunn says, oh he works for me. And he called him immediately. You can describe the rest of it. When dad goes down these deep dives into Long Island history. I it's it's only matched by somebody can go point for point name for name street for street. Yeah. Jimmy dunn. Immediately gets some on the phone, and you guys are transported back fifty years. Yeah. Essentially reading the box score high school. We're talking about how the town of Rockville centre, which had the public school south side and the private school Saint Agnes produced like nine or ten d one players in a given to your period good players. And it was a great thrill for me to just talk to him to just talk to frankly on the phone. And so the fact that atom Mandel knows him knows the great Jimmy Dunn knows all these people could convince me to go look wins in Thursday tough. That's tough. You miss some PT is now Wednesday and Thursday. You don't miss the NFL because the NFL days Monday in the NFL day is Friday. So I could probably do that. We could probably train us some more lay right news. We speak to let's say on TV. That's right right now. I stress. Yeah. Nice dress nice color. That's all I really had to say. I did. I don't have a though you should go on your deathbed. You're not gonna go. God. I'm sorry. I missed that. One Mellon not. I'm not a, but I'm also I'm not. Going to say, gee, it's too bad that I never went to Hawaii. I don't wanna go to Hawaii easy easy show to miss. There's no MBA. Right, right point. We'll we'll. All right. We'll come back with Email and jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. Back. That's running new Meyer, and Tom Lofgren that goes to the Beatles and the Byrds playing us in just fantastic. Let me thank Chason lockenfora CBS sports coming on with us today. Let me thank today. Sponsors express VPN and boots. Remember, listen and subscribe to an archived episodes of the Tony Kornheiser show wherever you listen to podcasts including apple podcast Spotify. Google play radio dot com. 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Truly a man of the people the people at a country club dropped in everything is television show in sports. Have mercy Tony have mercy. From James, Paul hunter oak park, Illinois, dear Dr Kornheiser after thirty five career as a high school English teacher. I recently retired. I voted you. Thanks for a couple of decades. Plied my craft by stealing you witticisms, phrases asides and using them in class. I used your animal revolution theories to amuse myself and keep the kids engaged as an adult in a room of sophomore honor students claiming that squirrels are centuries in the animal revolution never gets old. So thank you. Additionally, I had a sort of Mr Tony moment this weekend. A friends recently moved to the upper east side, my not retired English teaching spouse, and I had never been to the Big Apple together. She complained that if I did not agree to see a play with our during our visit her colleagues and friends at school would be gas. I suggest that there was opening weekend at Belmont. Thank goodness. You went to Manhattan burn this rock Kylo Ren onstage with the greatest female assassin of all time, and no doubt or don't call long. So the matinee followed by dinner at the writer's room, the former elaine's perfect memory. And I am a hero because of my loyal little status. Did you? Notice that Keri Russell stood on her tiptoes every time she stood near Adam driver. Thanks again for the recommendation. I did notice that because she's five one or so he's seven threes. Beak gotta yoga, Jack, syllabi and Falls Church Virginia to Tony actually. Sincerely question. Why people would see a movie like vengeance. Four five times. Remind me get him. Anytime. You've seen the eagles ocu- mentally. I'm not paying forty time on TV. But I understand from Steve the sycophant, Chris Eliza in a midnight blue tuxedo. Be still my beating heart out today. The my old tux for one in sparkling blue, Mr. listen, no longer has either. I how much is the tuxedo. I do not less than. We'll we'll months. I didn't mean to rent it rent. Andrew Weizman of chagrin falls, Ohio first time longtime as loyal little and current freshman Yale University. I feel obligated to clarify a few points regarding conversation from last Monday's podcast regarding the renovations at one of our libraries first of all the books removed from one library, not the entirety of Yale. Secondly, I certainly support those students who have protested the moving of the books, but I have to side with Michael and regrettably, Mr. cillizza on this issue, while the concerns of the students are genuine he'll currently lacks large space truly design for students to work collaboratively. And as Michael correctly pointed out, the wilpon hated analytic show that many of the books have not been checked out and quite a few years. 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Ice Cube Interview and more

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Ice Cube Interview and more

"The Morning You Talking About to experience a morning show in my. The honor! The Hub Culture Bank club is my morning. Fit I need it. Really, not popping into new brushes carbon waiting, come to show men that'd be a big time celebrity behavior. Envy and she'll and Charlemagne the. Breakfast Club. Good Morning USA. You're you're you're you're you're you're you're your your Yo Yo, Yo Yo. Yo Yo y'all yo yo Yo. Yo Yo Yo. Yo Yo yo Yo. Yo Yo yo Yo Yo yo Yo. GIRBAN is Lee. Ambi Charlemagne Guide. Piece to the planet. Day Guess What Day it is all. I happy Wednesday. Yes, it's Wednesday Hump Day. What I'M TORONTO? was happening was happening happy to be here another day? Man, absolutely above ground is a blessing. K.. All Wide Manning, low duval and snoop, Dogg said if you breathing you, achievement and tonight is versus rights new. Dos Right Snoop Dogg de mix. I'm here that tonight. Eight PM Eastern time, so it's going to be I think it'll be a great battle. I think it'd be a lot of fun those both those guys are legends in Con- so it'll be shown each other respect. Yes going to be highly entertaining to the best characters ever in hip hop to to very contrast to carrots to write dear Mex-, high energy, loud Snoop Dogg laid back. You know cool, calm collected, but snoop Dogg should win that one easily I love the Amex but yes, no dogs to win that one easily snoop. DOGG got too many nuclear bombs, man, nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction like it's. It's kind of not even fair musically to be honest with you. Think be agree bad. I can't wait to watch it. I can't wait to see and hear these brothers music, but listen to them for so long, and they're both legends in You know both snoop Dogg in India. Mix of of help me a lot in this industry, so these are the things that I. Just I love to see and I can't wait to see tonight at eight. Right. INSTAGRAM and on Apple Music No. That's an I. I'm tired today. Yesterday I had to do the motown countdown, and this was celebrating Andre Hurrell and uptown records and the top five songs, which is a hard thing to do so Yeah, it was an hour long yesterday. Yeah, usually half an hour, but last night we had to go for an hour. Towns top five records. Yup. What was number? Two, well from the list because they give us nate to choose from. I, picked Mary J. Blige Israel love. number-one uptown route that's that's not a bad when you. That's a very debatable one not bad at all though. There are debatable though and you know they. They gave us a list of eight to choose from, so I think You know it makes it a little difficult number. Two I had forever my lady Jodi. Not Not a bad one at all. Yeah, so. On. Overcoming Well. That wasn't on the list to choose from. His eight to choose from, but yes and you know I'll be sure steady. Both he wrote both come talk to me and forever my lady. What about Guy Likes Guy I like on that I. had that number three? Okay okay with four or five. It was Albie Sore night and day, and it was heavy. D and the boys I'm so out of I can't even remember the song heavy and the boys. Was Wrong with me. Was, the biggest heavy Danny boy sung. If it good to use a good to you. Love I'm drawing a blink to on his. Beloved. I Love Found love not that we found love I mean listen. That's a good top five. Sorry kids, uncle and aunt talk this morning. All right good morning. List of Candy Rain. Song. Yeah that one hundred Erdo now he's. Dreaming. Yeah yeah are. You could have made it. Day. No. I. Wish I was show wasn't the Indie Ice Cube will be joining us this morning. We'll kick it with ice cube. Can I do it? Oh G. Tube. is join us. We'll kick it with ice cube and we got front-page News. Make sure you play a little baby record after this the balance all this talk all right. Our? Martin baby and rick the baby alrighty rich. Okay! Balance this out. We got you. I'm so we'll play that drama. That will play. Future Drake. That'll work pretty close. That's pretty close. From as news. What we talking about well, let's talk about the NFL. In fifty nine players have tested positive for corona. Virus would tell you what they're planning to do. If the test climb above a certain percentage all right, we'll get into that next. Keep it like this. The Breakfast Club. Good Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela. Ye Shall I mean the guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's getting some front page news. Where we starting. Well fifty nine players in the NFL have tested positive for corona virus. Initially, they said that ninety five players had tested positive, but that number actually was amended because that included on gnome positives across the League so necessary. The results of what they are saying is that they're agreeing to corona virus testing protocols. Before, training camp starts, and they said they'll be tested daily for the first two weeks of camp. If that positive test rate falls below five percent after the two weeks, then they'll transition testing players every other day, and if it does not dip below five percent, then daily testing will continue until it reaches that mark. Yeah I don't know how going. Keep the spread in the NFL simply because they're not contained right I. Mean I'm I'm assuming. Own Individual Arenas going to be traveling back and forth at home in a bubble like like the the NBA. GonNa do that I. Don't know how. But the NBA yesterday they showed the black lives matter paint job on the bubble court, so you can see that's going to be there. And they decided to split that message that all three arenas that are used inside the bubble, even though there won't be any audience members and he fans players can still watch game, so they can be in there, and there have the Michael Jordan Japan Man Logo on some MBA uniforms next season as well so all thirty NBA, statement edition uniforms for now feature that Japan logo starting with the twenty twenty. Two twenty twenty one season. That's why the NBA is important to. Everybody was trying to say the NBA was going to be a distraction which I never thought simply because I knew those brothers could use that platform to continue to shed light on. What's going on out here in the street if you haven't noticed, the media has moved away from the protests. Are Still Creek protesting, but the media is not really really talking about it at all. So you know you see what the Harris and you know. Cj mccollum de yesterday is going to be a lot more of that in the NBA season, so they will be bringing awareness to what's happening in the streets. IRA later on, we'll get into some more. We'll talk about Donald. Trump because you know they resume those corona virus, press briefings, and so we'll tell you what he had to say in the next hour. He's only doing that because he can't hold rallies right now. That's all for trust me. He's using those press conferences as his way of addressing the nation every day because you can't do those those those rallies at the moment. I right with that. Is Your front page news all right? Get it off your chest, eight, hundred, five, eight, five one. Oh, five one! If you need to vent, hit us up right now. Maybe at a bad day yesterday, or maybe you feel blessed whatever it may be eight, hundred, five, five, one five one. Get it off. Your chest is the breakfast club morning the breakfast club. Pizza, Planet Charlemagne God here. 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Your soulmate does you know is willing to? Bank out for seven thousand dollar back. A New Dad Yeah. I listen I listen to podcasts at very very great park. Women is like gets me and my woman talking about a lot of things, but yeah. What you mean! You mean in like ride like riding for a long time. Yup Yup was only five. that. You got pick pays fees. Young Man. Shift. Gears envy. Thank you for listening to the PODCAST. Hello, who's this morning club? This is the Sean and I just WanNa congratuations out some myself. I graduated with my msw from Your Sheva University from the Bronx and I just wanted to say I'm blessed and highly favored blessing. and. That's so we need. We need your workout here. Thank you down congratulations and thank you for calling Mama. Get it off your chest. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, five one. If you need to vent, hit us up right now. Is The breakfast club good morning the breakfast club. Tally. This is your time to get it off your chest whether the man. Eight hundred, five, zero, five one. We want to hear from you on the breakfast, Club. Hello WHO's this? Shonda Hey Sean Duffy Chess Shonda hello I just WANNA. Say hello to everybody I love you guys. I got every single day and I wanNA. Shut out my birthday, my birthday, you August third I am Eleo okay. I like Leila's also WANNA shout out my company Allure Planning Services Dot COM I noticed. Everything is jacked up from the damage. I'm a wedding planner event. Be Dazzled convers and I'm to finish it. So you guys. Go check out my website. Okay, allure planning services dot, com Amazon and Services I, right, you better get up here. Promote Alabama. Hello, WHO's this? Data and Good Morning. Get it off your chest. I have a metal service, talk and things like I. Don't go anywhere or do anything without being. I get harassed telling their kids actually try and look at. And it's just it's highly annoying in using more people would know you know not the. Distract the service dogs, but nonstop people try to call them distract them I'll be walking and people will be trying to get into early down to the actually within. Highly, annoying says it sounds like you need a more focused service dog, your service. Dogs easily distracted. By need to get you a new new canine. Eat both. The Okay Me But the people. Running up on all the time kind of patio, and not in here you. Did you say you blind? Yeah, he is a migrated. Peter Alert Refund Gotcha. Four out one God should get assigned for your dog. That says I am working. You need to tell these people when they try to pet their dog. This is not for recreation. His dog is on the clock. Had those signs. Please don't touch. It's working dog. That's definitely what you should get. Off. On his that the do not pay one of them that. I'm working. In another one that says I'm not year. The came in here to see my job. That's right, yeah! We'll. Get it off your chest. You know yesterday you not do my bike rides. I was doing. We did our bike ride yesterday it was four five was brothers riding bikes twenty six miles in the heat. Yes Oh men. Would you like to come to the next one? Would you like to ride with nickel? Five guys riding in the heat I like. Let's go in. Would you like to? Tell us tell us more never spot opened, but they as finished the two thousand six mile ride. There was a a you know a guy. Walk with the dog and Hey, can we take? Can you take a picture because we finish this and the guy was blind. And I didn't realize he was blind and there was like she said it was people petting the dog and he was trying to maneuver way to go, because he he didn't necessarily couldn't figure it out and people bothering his dog. It was getting his dog on track. So that's why I asked him if he if she was blind because I noticed that yesterday with the blogger. And then when I realized he was blind, I, said No. My Bro- I get somebody else to take the picture. And he thought he wanted a picture with him, so he actually jumped picture. Pretty cool so. That why you posted. Is that why you posted a Selfie sky because you let them take the pictures I. saw you post post pitching and says Selfie, but it was the sky. They would get it off your chest. Hello, WHO's this? Represents Savannah Georgia seaport, but I'm living here in Atlanta one brother Gandolfi. So positive in issue today so this time I met you boy. I was in the hotel and so we had to do a welfare check, and so I had win and make sure. Yeah, yeah, so sometimes we have situations where people don't wake up and you know so. To the room and do a welfare check to make sure they get him. So, so we had how me more. When you open the door. What you see all right now? Where get crazy, so I always get nervous because I always think like the person might be dead or something. No like I went in the door and I'm like you know you know all up. You know woke up on. My all met Open I. Did anything. Wrap up? So I am Snore so my. Everything's good, so I go in the room and I turned the corner any land, but make it in the middle of the Psalm like Oh snap. On the stomach. Ended this. Position. So so I kinda like. Go against the wall like it's homage does that you've gotta wake them up, so I decided you know. Yeah I, knew I you know so so after that. I smacked the side of the wall. I'm like all right Bam smack in the wall. So. All of a sudden, he wakes up. He's like. Head I'm like all right. You know what I'm saying. You know! Charlemagne experience where you Whoa Whoa Whoa tell me. You're never. I never had a wellness check in my life. Tell me. You wanted a toothbrush like twenty twenty fourteen. A soda. Jails to. Listen I mean here? So it a like before I started like checking out the whole breakfast club because I've seen so. Let me and I heard you name before, so I didn't really know you like that. So I went to the room and I wanted to give you to us, but you know you went by your real name, so you open the door I'm like what I noticed cat from. They WanNa do from Savannah, and you look at me like thank you and then I. AM, maybe not maybe I went to Savannah State. Do you snatch toothbrush out of my hands? Slam to go. Wow you got to. Me To heart. You gotTA tight. How did they don L. story in short chocolate would. It is anywhere screaming and then you know eventually you. Okay okay, it's. Not Left and is that a good? So you saw. Naked, penis, yelling, screaming and I. I I just don't Ashi cheeks tonight, just turned around the corner. At least two nickname. does happen maybe like year to go by the year two. Zero, upper Jesus Christ. Up He just sleep, no, he was not Justice League screens guy. We should have everybody tag it on. I'm trying to think of a good hashtag right now because he would wake up, so cheats attack Ashi cheeks. Everybody hit del Don L. Rawlins and just put coming. Ashi cheeks then you can do to instagram to last picture. Yeah. Yeah, go to diagnose laugh. Pitch on Instagram, and Hashtag achieves cheeks as she shakes. my God. I can't talk and this is GonNa, be a good all right. Get it off your chest. Eight, hundred, five, zero, five, where we got room was on the way. Yes, and we're GONNA talk. About Wendy Williams has show is back. In All right, we'll get into that nexus. The breakfast club good morning the breakfast club. This is the rumor report. Angelie on the breakfast club. So Wendy Williams twelve? Th Season is starting September twenty first. She said I can't wait to get back to all of you. Into my amazing staff and crew I'm so excited to bring you silly, Funny Glamour, and hopefully brighten your day during these crazy times that we're all living in even if just for an hour I miss you and can't wait to get back in my purple share and show you what we did to the set I love you for watching I feel. I can't wait to get back in the studio either different kind of magic when you actually in studio whether it's. Your TV studio your radio station. What I'm going back. As September, two thousand I I'm not that excited I was excited at first, but you gotta think about it. Right work with so many people do so many different things that are out in bow. That's travel and you know do I want to be around? Is there safe place to be around that? Where they let us know? Pause Post, live through the back door. You know there's so many different things like I don't know if I trust. WHO TRAVELING I'm in Mexico right now. That's the only person we got to worry about right then we keep you go. All Right? That's the only person we need to keep. Everybody else is fine. I'm taking advantage of the fact that I don't have to work of I can work somewhere else remotely. I. Don't know if that will ever happen again like that so. Data other deejays in our studio like you just don't know. If, we don't let everybody back in. The personalities I'm serious. Morning shows everybody else stay home. I right now let's talk about the real. Everybody's talking about tomorrow. Mary leaving no real, and what's the reason for that and people were saying it was a salary reduction well. She talked to Madame Noire and said I'M GONNA. Say this once. I've explained it I've been on the real for six seven years. I'm just ready to just try new opportunities and spend more time with my family. That's. That's it I am doing a hallmark film. There's new opportunities kind of just popping up out of nowhere, and I'm just grateful. Grateful grateful, so she said it's all positive nothing bad somebody came to my DM's asking about salary stuff. It had nothing to do with that and nothing no more explaining about that. Everyone's good everyone's on good terms. Life is the best that they can be right now. Why do people think that you just can't move on from a situation? Sometimes you just outgrow something. You just feel like you know. Your time is up there. Why can't people just walk away from something to? Six or seven years. Yes, that's it all right now. It's an opportunity to meet. Somebody else would speaking of the real. Let's talk about Adrian bylines. She said that people were coming at her. Because she has in publicly, said anything on social media about Samar and his attempts at suicide, and here's what she had to say for me everything. Is it for social media? Also think it's important to know that real life is so much more important than social media so for me I hold myself to a higher standard in real life so I absolutely want to encourage people to pray par, but in real life. That's what I'm doing. Adrian but. I want to I want to ask you something when you post, you know praying for such and such. Make sure you actually pray for the person. Ask Yourself. Did you actually pray for the person before you post? It just be honest with yourself and ask yourself. Do you really pray for people when you put the Hashtag Pram for such and such a when you put prayer hands? Make sure you're actually doing it. Because majority of y'all are not yards, just performing right. Yeah, and I'm with her to be. I posted at least probably at all of us on social medium early even on there, so you know it's really for work for me. I right. When they don't see in on social media. It didn't happen, or is it the real like shut? Sometimes, you got real relationships with people. You're not having that conversation social media performing. people be mad. You'd in post them like on their birthday or you know. Oh, you didn't give me a shot out. It's like a spoke to you. We did something together. Why why do I have to post it to? Birthday dooby hitting different though I'm not gonNA lie. Booby. Alkaline is nice, but if somebody in real life, Charlemagne is everybody, birthday is because. Everybody, Oh, Sorry Blade Damn. I don't be you know what let me show. My people happy birthday, because because people be waking up dead man. You got to celebrate folks. As it's called people and talk to them. Happy, birthday Charlemagne. Now ABC News Executive Barbara Edita has been fired over racist remarks about Robin Roberts and sunny hostile, and they did an internal investigation and found that she did participate in making racist and derogatory remarks at former and current staff, which included Good Morning America's Robin, Roberts and sunny hostile from the view, so what they did say is She made some comments during a twenty eighteen salary negotiation robin. Roberts was asking for more money. She got upset and said what more could she went? It wasn't as if the network was asking her to. To pick cotton, and then she referred to sunny on the view as low rent, so they said she was often abusive, and she spewed racist remarks, and you know those who marks were unearthed where thirty four sources comprised of former and current staff spoke on the record, and that's why you should get all you can out of these corporations, because that's how a lot of those people at the top view as how a lot of those people at the top sees and be mad. Are Feel like you. You shouldn't be shaking shaken him down. Every coin you, can I write well I'm Angela Yee, and that is your room a report all right, thank you. Miss Ye I now when we come back, we got front page news. What we're talking about. Yeah, we are going to talk about these corona virus briefings in what Donald Trump had to say all right. We'll get into that next keeping. Lock this the breakfast club good morning morning. Everybody is DJ envy. Angela Ye shall guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get some front page news. Where we. Start. We're starting with Joe Biden and now he was on MSNBC's real on the read on the readout, and he was talking about considering his running mate, and here's what he had to say. Are you committed to naming a black woman as your vice presidential running? Mate I'm not committed to naming any, but the people I've named among them. There are four black women, so that decision is underway right now. Now Black supported me my entire career. You all act like all of a sudden. There was an epiphany in South Carolina I have had over ninety six percent, ninety four percent rating and the state with eighth largest black community, the United States of America Delaware, and so they're the ones as it all saying goes the brought me to the dance I have been loyal. They been loyal to me. Good he needed assistant now he needs something to get people enthused and his campaign because nobody likes Biden. We just dislike Donald Trump and his sad. When over the weekend Donald Trump guy soundbites kanye west soundbites, Joe Biden has no soundbites killing the game Joe. Biden. Vice President until you right now. Joe Biden said L. Name, his vice presidential pick in early August and that's going to be before the Democratic National Convention that Takes Place August Seventeenth to the twentieth. I was going to add. They usually make that. Heck. Do they make a lot earlier or do they usually make it around? August is you as usually before the Democratic National Convention so so around? Around that time, but I I saw list of The the California California delegates put out a list of women that they wanted to be vice president, and it was on Karen Bass and Senator Nina Turner and that was interesting I was like Oh sending turn. Go vote twice. If Senator Nina Turner is on the ticket. Drop one violence in Indian internal. Ira Joe Biden and also put out a third pillar of his build back better economic policy in a speech in New Castle Delaware that happened yesterday, and he's focused on creating three million new jobs in the areas of caregiving in education and also that plan. You guys should take a look at it. He's talking about. How he's going to do it. And where that funding will come from as well so has your economic part to it, also your yeah, what hot songs he got okay. What flash this? Put Out all right. That's conde wants to know. This on you. Without no song no flats. Don't want to vote for him. He never lied about that all right now. Let's talk about Donald. Trump's first corona virus briefing since April and one thing he did was talk about wearing a mask. We're asking everybody that when you are not able to socially distance, wear a mask whether you like a mask or not they have an impact. Yesterday, said wearing a mask was an. That is the case. Why don't you do it more frequently? Actually do it when I need. I mean I carry the mask. The mask right here carried, and I will use it gladly. We have experts that have said in the recent past. That masks aren't necessarily good to where you know that, but now they've changed their mind if they change their mind. That's good enough for me, so I wear it when appropriate. Comes only doing those daily briefings because he can't have of rallies. That's why back to doing the daily briefing, but wouldn't IT BE DOPE IF DONALD? Trump took to pay off in water out of the mask. Wouldn't that be? I don't feel like that will keep the. From flying out. But. That's just the way to say real. I'm really committed to this face covering my goodness. And, then he also talked about the next emulates package. Also working night and day with Capitol Hill to advance the next economic relief package. We're working very hard on it. We're making a lot of progress. I also know that both sides want to get it done. We'll call it phase four I think we're going to get it done. We'll protect our workers. Our schools in our families and protect them very strongly. My administration will stop at nothing to save lives and shield of vulnerable, which is so important. And everyone got no I. Wait till I think people have I think people have boy the way people about. Yes, they said they said the stimulus checks popping. Simply guy more than that first wave. If you know what I mean all right, any said things will get worse before they get better. We are in the process of developing a strategy. That's going to be very very powerful. We've developed as we go along. Some areas of our country are doing very well. Others are doing less well. It will probably unfortunately get worse before it gets better. Bre Things Ben got worse. You mean they're gonNA. Get more worse than they've already gotten. You already path I second stage and things getting worse. Hell is wrong with him. They get worse. Things been worse. Every day. Exactly, what are you talking about? California I think has surpassed. New York with the cases. All right well manly, and that is your front page news all right now. When we come back, ice cube will be joining us. We'll kick it with ice cube when we. went to go ahead. Did it already? I will kick I. Hear you when we come back. Is The breakfast club Good Morning? The Breakfast Club. Envy Angeliki Charlemagne together. We are the breakfast club. You got a special guest in the Belen is killed yard. Kill these Q. Sandwich minimal good? How Y'ALL SERLIN WITH! Mess with all your money kill. They invested with the Big Three because Co.. Movies. Hauling. Good you. got. I got enough mean to survive so I'm really worried about people who don't have enough. Cuba our sitting back. thinking okay a creative like yourself, you know you probably sitting around writing scripts, and you know right and TV shows right and films. You said. Nyah fall at a Mariah contract. For Black Americans. Yeah, you're not thought it was important to a to try to put on. These issues in one document is far from perfect, of course not we're going to go out there and steal you know find some of the people who've been experts in all these feel who've been working on all these fields, but we needed a jump off to me. We need is something that people can rally behind from from all walks of America and try to rally behind document and try to get some don across the board, because if you just do police, reform is gonNA. Be Abuses picking up another areas. You know we gotta do out. Only cleese performed, but justice, reform and prison reform and. Taste for men women is still you know a allows for slavery when it comes to being incarcerated so these Danes need to be fixed, and it starts Saban a lot of the problems that we have in America planting. I like what the base before the mandatory malpractice insurance that you talked about because that is something that when you hit people in the pockets, I think that really does make such a difference, and so the police officers just like a lawyer or a doctor. If they you know, commit malpractice. Then that's something that the police department has to pay for and I think when somebody keeps. Keeps on doing things and they keep getting sued for malpractice. That is something that will make them say okay. This president has to go. You'RE NOT TADAO NS face a lot of pressure off all these you know I'm not Da, you know you want Da's go after police, but they need police to to get on the stand and go against non testify against you know suspects, or whatever so you know, it's a fine line, and this would take some of the pressure off of the you know the a money thing and also. Why should people pay taxes four police at now? You have a police abused. Power and then the person sues the city somebody Sioux City and now here again the taxpayer has to pay again right well. The lawsuit so for cops behalf to have insurance and have to have malpractice insurance stuff like that. I think it would pinpoint blame where needs to be and it would get in a capsule excessively have these complaints and have these losses not forcefully take a monster force because it would just cost too much of the residency requirements right which requires. Requires. What was still insolence of Lebanon community that they believe was enact tape like I always tell a story about my block. It was a kid that had down syndrome, and when the cops call the dating his kid and he was wildly out, they might pull out the gun. GonNa. Try to take a more charter. Be Naty note that he had problems, but everybody else enable. The new at the kid had problems in a goal. Is Mom all his POPs in that? A lot of problems. Yeah you know it's It's always a difference philosophy. You know I think. Police live in the community or Lisa a large portion of them. You know lease. At least sixty percent of that force some more needs to live ten miles or less to that station. You know when you've got people coming thirty miles into a community don't really care about their community, but you know when this people you know in the community. Grab people that kids go to school with an audience type things I just think. It makes people care about body a little more cube I. have to say though respectfully. A lot of that is NWEA's for Mattel you why people in the community don't WanNa be police, 'cause y'all say police and community don't respect the police. Put that out. You can't put that on Nwea people that way way before end up. I think they need to provide financial incentive for people from the hood who choose to go into law enforcement, and then live in their community to police their communities like you should be like a extra bonus from law enforcement for. Taking less taxes away make me so if you live in a community, extra police take less taxes in no one thing I will say though I grew up with the police officer. He told me he didn't want to work in the neighborhood where he was from our lived because he was dangerous for him, and so you know even though he was a black man, he was like I'm working here because I can't work here, too. Many people know. And, if something happens or I have to arrest somebody, everybody knows where I live. That's not safe. That's an issue, too. That's a big problem, but I I think. Even, if you try to find a happy medium with that, you still got to have people who associated with the community. Not Community now. People are just who have no real fill INS for. The people in the community is just job. At the community service I best be part of the requirement where they do things that aren't interacting with people on a negative faces or something bad is happening, but a lot more community service programs as part of their required hours. I agree not thinking. It's the healthiest both ways you know the officer like like you said, get a chance to learn the community, but also see the community in a different light. What political action that you put behind the contract with Black America you like who you presenting it to what we're trying. Trying to present it to everybody, you know WanNa presented to you know people who can give behind you earthly support from the community for Mine Taligent people in the community to look at the document to a you know comment on it to you know raise questions that we didn't raise and just make document better and once we got something i. think is strong enough. We don't present. It's the party's candidates and we're GONNA see who gonNA, get behind the man who going to support it and make it a reality. Point with thirteen percent of this country more are taped with five, and we deserve thirteen point five percent of the Pie. You know in a in a Organiz Way, I? We got more with ice cube when we come back. Don't move the breakfast club good morning. Morning every everybody stj Envy Angela Gisha into guy we are. The breakfast club was still kicking where ice cube. Look at a lot of these other communities. We were talking a TI yesterday and I drove into a Jewish community yesterday and in community into things, and they rely on themselves. They have their own schools teach their own history their own way playground. They have their own businesses. Ma Supporting job. You know. Save with the Asian. Community at age Minniti have their own schools teach their own history an ace on each other. Like! Our community is the only community that we don't have our. Ignored have our own. Don't teach our own history. We don't invest back into our own communities. Do think that should be the main start. Start feature now known and matches HEC. is to s Canada about from kindergarten, preschool elementary. You know I think it's a situation where those communities are financially stable. Financial institutions that could keep the stability bear to support that. We've never been financially stable as a as a community here know individuals. We get a foot up, but as a whole community. We never had a financial structures in place to do that, and even if we put them in plays, is a Lotta sabotaged with our progress. You know if you've seen the history of of Tosa in Jacksonville. You know there's been a race riots that stop you know great progress. and I think the contract will black America that stability start being injected into the communities. Like I said just finance you know all the banks in America only long three percent money. The black homeowners and small businesses you know even in the government pensions. We pay our taxes, but they government stood on US black. A contract is a black businesses. VC's venture apple investors. You know only a best one percent of their any black business so this would put a foothold in our community where we can start taking care of our own schools because we know they don't WanNa in undoing. Do too much far schools because of our ZIP codes, which is a travesty you know should be per student. Each dollar, not state takes so much money. They got so many students. Divided up fair per student. What what what is Neil restriction you I know you talk about that. In the in the contract reconstruction mule reconstruction them. Sorry, young reconstruction. Reconstruction is actually a section of the debt was. Produced by Christmas Card and a guy named Rob Jones when I put out a contract with Black America. A lot of people reached out. Some say y'all. We got similar things we got A. You know could coincide what you're doing or in enhanced what you're doing and we're just trying to get people behind it. you know we got a couple of great? People that prominent in economics in civil rights. Just want to build a wide coalition of people that A smart at great ideas now wanNA. Make this a better country, so is really you know. Chris and ribes part of a contract of with black America called go reconstruction, which really says breaks down numbers. You know My fame has brought. You know as broad strokes, only really nee- people who've been working on this stuff for years to dive in there, and and give us the real data that we need to present the gun. When it comes when it comes to police reform you, how do you even? Staying current Dr inspired because Y'all have been talking about the excessive force from the LAPD in the black community for ever, and now all these years later, nothing has changed. How do you even staying? Kurds are inspired as some kitchen. Do. See The changes you know before we did. The police police could do no wrong now. You've got police on trial now. You had NBN questions. Now you find, have them be found guilty so the program has pushed. You see things happening now with the chokehold is being banned in a lot of cities, you know people are rethinking policing and how police approached to community. Community and without his camera phones right now and social media I think it really does help so much to bring attention to what's going on because this thing back then people didn't have that unless there was like surveillance footage or something like that, there was no way for people to see what's going on. and not that it's perfect at all, because obviously we see videos. Police. Officers are still not being held accountable, but now we can see what's happening and so there's no way you can deny. No way you can deny it, so I don't understand why. Police still try to instill do it. And it's probably because of the qualified. Just. You know that COP. Who was on? Or those. Cops on George Floyd. e-e-e-e-no he wasn't. GonNa get in trouble. It's too much power force citizen. And it needs to be really in a little bit with qualified immunity is one way. It's a real any real fast everybody. No, you know, don't do it because you can. You can be charged. Threaten accomplishment prison, taking away his pension health think twice when Dan excretes, or even his whole like if somebody gets into an accident on our property, somebody can Sumi, and possibly take by Muhammad if he kills somebody able to take. His pension is assets when he goes all that you know it's. It's an issue that I. think we just gotTa. Deal wit and not be afraid of even talking about the spike in crime. Crime was always bad. You know rarely visited captivated. Stop somebody from getting shot. They usually had come clean up the mess, so they're highlighting. That is always more balanced. 'cause we're not bear, and that's just not true. I got a few more questions for you. Q elaborate on racism being recognized as a public health crisis. What is your not just think You know racist encounter. Does something to your chromosomes in a slap you fill it from the past and I think it not only affects the person being abused, but the abuser. You know it's something that makes you think you're better than a person. Just because you was born with wide skin that she didn't take so I just think it's to. The point is a health crisis because people are killing each other on the racism. Niagara with you is called a wrote about it in my lab book called Netted Trauma and it's the idea that trauma can leave with chemical mark on on a person's genes, and they says is passed now from parents to kids, the actually a study on on Holocaust survivors, and their children and they found like the. Jeans were like disdain and the children didn't go to the same conditions as the parents, so it was passed out. I got more what ice cube when we come back, let's get into is cute. Mini mixes the breakfast club morning. That was an ice cube mini mix morning. Everybody is DJ envy. Angela Yeesh Guy we all the breakfast club still kicking. What is q. g and another talk about as representation right in the entertainment, industry and reparations for that as well as I would love you to expand on that, because obviously, that's something you know way more about than all of us. Talk about Black Studios. In black studios is virtually all the studios who? Contributed in our, narrative. In our in our pain in our misrepresentation. Instill in our history and giving it to you know white people forward hundred years. You know so I think these studios that we normally love should kick in a studio that's ran by black people with no outside influences and WHO's. Movies and projects our own by those black people, those black artist, those black directors and writers and people put the project together should own the projects and and studios, aching license projects, the movies or TV shows, or whatever or they don't have to you know can. We can put them on our own streaming services, but I just think it, you know it's a form of reparations from the entertainment industry of they all had to invest a certain amount of money into. The studio each year as payment for our damage. They've done to black people because you're not a real artist were not. On controlling the narrative of your art, every artist on no every great actor, director or writer has ten projects. They can give me because some by people don't understand what they're trying to make. And that's a shame, so we need our own place and I know were doing it. You know extremely proud of of Tyler Perry and what he's doing. You know, but man had to do that with his own two hands. I read Kareem abdul-jabbar article in her, which ought had to say in essentially talking Hollywood you know they said some of the things you said were anti-semitic would have been the response from from you'll. Hollywood connects about that. I mean first of all I. can say one thing and say anything you know. They can't point out nothing I said you know they're Kompany. Everybody together instead of looking at everybody as an individual. We're all clumped in this way. People think said would. Sign posted beautiful bait shine said with Nick Cannon Eight nate posted with the shop post. Stephen Jackson. CEO would said it is we're all in this way in? We're not look at his individuals, so I just think that's unfair. You know 'cause I just say. None of my Jewish people called me concerned. You know saying what happened to you know everybody know that. Being caught in a way it is is unfortunate, but got. A Aero's because of the contract with black. Do not get a twist is because I have a bigger plane. I have stumping that can really. Changed Things financially for black people and a lot of these companies are what I call cookie jar. COMPASS COOKIE JAR COM music companies were we caught show hand in Goddamn Cookie Jar and we know you've been making money off our our pain, and you're gonNA pay for it alone every company down. It's been doing it unless you come up with a plan to. Pay For you sands, and that's really why is attacked so know they got my brother Karim to do the article. and Charles had his things to say and you know I. Accept what they say. You know what I'm saying. They might l., but you know I don't like everything they do either. So you know pretty soon. They passed. At this moment that we're. We've been in the past three months. Has It changed your? Since the purpose now really always been on the same Tet united, just always felt like I was ahead of the curve some time. Just need to wait for the moment so. I wanted to put down entertainment and take this John. When these generals out here, you not one I want to be one of those channels who figuring out a plan we can execute. That has shot to work as a black man who had accomplished so much, do you? Do you truly feel free in America? No. Snow Way to fill friend America a Y. You know you ever watch the show like ridiculous snus in these dudes is fallen and they hit the head. Hitting the head on the concrete and arm, and you feel that it like you know you feel it in your bones. Data feel when I see. Something happened to one of us in the street, and you're not feel like that can happen to me. That can happen to one of my son. That can happen to my daughter can have the my nephews nieces, my father. To happen to my. Mother, you know what I'm saying. It's like how the hell you don't feel free in this country. Just 'cause you got money. You know that that. I mean it's what you need, but it don't. It don't bring. Freedom is my final question to you. white people seem to care about our issues now. America's seems to care about our issues now. Urban philosopher named Doboy once said, either they don't know. Don't show I. Don't give a damn about what's going on in the earth. So so, why do you think they can now are acting like deakin? Before boys in the hood interaction with cultures when Ned when then much in you know Ames just starting to interact. And in the ninety s would have pop. It was just an. Astray Integration of cultures through the nineties and hip pop. You know people started to understand a man. You know actually I got black heroes. You know I'm saying put black guys on the wall as my heroes or or or female seniors, or you know you know athletes so. We just. We've known each other now. We know that we feel each other. We can understand each other and as is nor generation. WanNa put the OS behind. It's like they got. You got our generation in the middle. You got the older generation, saying one thing in nor generation San another thing and we're in the middle. The younger generation rating to grab. POPs shut up. I'm saying we in the middle. And we gotta make sense of for both sides gotta be like Yo. POPs is a new day Yosano new day is coming. In, so they want to be a part of the new debt. You know in a nutshell they understand how long have been in why, but countries feels the wave feel because of the darkness? Ascend the hearts of some of the people in our country. And they ready to give passed, so that's why I feel like they're. Just, as interested in getting past this moment. To the other side where we're all treated, you know. Fair, and and so you know they down with us, you know we. Like we in down for every week. We're the best. America's in the world. You know I mean on this. In this country does is so much, and we still willing to be down with it and so. They WANNA be down with dead. That's then love. That's magic. Talk about. Kill. Appreciate you checking in this morning, Bravo. That contract for Black America. Man With a website is something you. Can hit my twitter and you know you can get. Get link off my twitter. IS TO DOT COM and get it and I appreciate your having me on you not know we know jozy talking about a project, but this right here is most important thing that I'm on right now. It's always appreciate the breakfast club for, but let me come on site. My piece in Australian things out when things is is You Know Crooked Anna. Are Much much SPEC and I keep going dormant. People need you. To, stay face. Yes, sir, I salute! All? The report. The rule report with breathless. RECAP KANYE! West was in Charleston South Carolina where he kicked off his campaign rally, and he said Harriet, Tubman never actually freed the slaves. She just took them to work for other white people. Well one person who responded is Harriet Tubman niece and here's what she had to say. We were left alone. We will be an entirely different ways in what he needs to understand if. If it weren't for people like I'm here. especially her because she was selfish, she was already free. She didn't have to come bet, but she did it countless times in. If it hadn't been for people like her, he was still beyond their plantation. He would not be able to be out there, saying things. He says he wouldn't have the money as because they would have. She's. She's a great great great niece. Right though and you know, listen to think about freedom, we know as black people in America we will never truly free and a white supremacist society, but it's like a baton. Rouge Harry did what she had to do in her time liberate. And she passed the baton to the next generation, and the next generation passed and on, and so on, and so forth absolutely closer and closer to true freedom with each generation it will continue to carry on tradition until we get to true freedom. I right Tina Wyatt. That's the great great great niece Harriet Tubman. She was TMZ lives. If you WanNa Watch that whole thing you can see it there now. In other news, be kind. Yeah. He was on social media again and he said MD told you about Tommy before they killed him Kim Save my daughter's life in the name of Jesus is God's choice. Only I will live for my children Chris I'm in cody. If you're not planning another one of your children's playboy shoots, then he said white supremacy. Highest no cap and he posted a screen shot of text. Messages that he sent to Chris this year. You ready to talk now. Are you still avoiding my 'cause this way you WanNa talk or go to war? Then he said all positively when the devil attacks. Even if I never see my kids to, they are eighteen, 'cause you believe why people on God north never with never be exploited by the system of white supremacy. It goes on to say come and get me larva, and then he puts like a puzzled face, and he said in Jesus name, no more cap, and then he puts drake, then he says, should I name more ted to fly in with two doctors to fifty one fifty me. I've been trying to get divorced since Kim met with music at the wards off for prison reform. I got two hundred more to go. This is my lady tweet of the Night Chris. Jong Owen low baby, my favorite rapper, but won't do a song. Me Meek as my man. Man It was respectful desma dog. Kim Was Outta Line I'm worth five billion dollars more than that through Christ, but Sol ain't listen to 'em day, and now y'all believe them. Crescent can put out a statement without my approval. That's not what a wife should do. WHY SUPREMACY SAYS THE FUTURE PRESIDENT! Yeah! I mean listen this yesterday. I'll repeat what I said yesterday in a different way. Kanye West probably needs therapy would also needs a divorce. All asked real. He hates his marriage. She hates Christian. and I'm glad he's getting that off his chest. I wish you would handle it a little different because you do have kids and your kids are on social media show. Two older kids are just certain things. You just want to keep yourself in. I think they should handle. Yeah? Envy Envy, yeah, the Kardashians who have been putting their life on blast for the past decade or so should keep something himself sure near, but not when you're talking about you not now when you talk about your wife. Guards, if you love hate or whatever it is, there's certain things you don't want your kids to see you deal with that private. If if there's other things that you don't like you do, but you don't want to disrespect you realize you normal, agree with you in normal circumstances, but that's the energy. Their family is given out all those years for now. That family is getting that energy back. They put everything else on blast so I can't. Why can't it all be on blast? 'cause going? You don't think it's going to be I. Don't think it's going GonNa be on the new season of keeping up with the Kardashians. Let this, go content. Go to waste, please day. Chapelle went to go visit Kanye. West and Wyoming and county posted this clip. Jokes by. This spirits. Still, my First Cup of coffee. Good to. Tell you. Think. Lifting jokingly, Right. Back. We got dude it. Awkward. Clip was definitely awkward. Jesus Christ. COMEDIANS. Tell a joke teller. You, tell me a joke on the spot and then I can't come up with one. You fake industry. Laugh at what I'm saying. Debut so funny and and as an artist CON- should know. How can you imagine? People told him to wrap everywhere. He goes R R rant everywhere. He goes like stop. I'll do people man I can't wear to. I can't wait to hear Dave. Stand up about this situation. But you know you got on. Their private jet went to go see his boy. That's interesting that little baby won't work with Kanye was interesting. Piece what's interesting about it? He just don't. We don't want to do in his piece. Low baby is protecting his. I'm not mad at that little baby I am. On the cover of rolling stone and we're going to get more in depth than that article in the next hour on room report Angela Yee and that is your room, her report all right. Thank should for protecting his piece at all Charlemagne given that donkey to Matt for after the hour. We're GONNA talk about protecting your piece man, some of your needs. Some reminders on how that keep you piece protected as a lot of peace. Disrupt his out here. Okay well, let's talk aggressive. Aggressive all of a sudden gee! This is just energy right here. Okay? I give out the energy I WANNA receive back. Don't think just because. Four that it's a negative. Yeah, you know how when you on a hill envy and you know you got to switch gears a little bit and you gotTa. Stop pumping a little bit harder when you ride yet. You're not angry, right? No! You feel in good. and. What at that moment? When around up the hill depends? On top of that Hill. Aren't you see what's wrong with you man? Were released donkey today's index next the breakfast club good morning. He added. Our. Start but don't. Give. I'm a fat and all that. Want his man to. The top of The judgment. The day they chose you. The Breakfast Club itchy. WHO's donkey? The day today documented day for Wednesday. July twenty second goes to a twenty nine year old woman in Louisiana named Geno. Lisa Lawrence now generally lawrence is wanted for attempted second degree murder. Her bond is one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and police believe. She fled from Louisiana The Dallas, because that's what she's from. The thought she's actually turned herself. Instance then second degree murder. Well. What did this young queen due to catch that charge? Well Geno Lisa is what I like to call a piece disruptor agitator of ours, the type that cannot allow a spirit to just be still. Oh, yes, we all have those kinds of people in our lives. Do you understand that forty two years old? All I WANNA do is protect my piece by any means necessary. My mental health diet is very important. If what I'm taking in does not nourish my mental health. I don't allow it in my space. My piece is non-negotiable. I'm not going anywhere. I don't WANNA be. I'm not doing anything I don't want to do, and I'm damned showing not gonNA. Talk a be around. Anyone I don't want to be with the some people like Gina. Lisa just want to argue I noticed. Noticed tight the into your space and can't wait to get into a back and forth with you now love me a good debate. Okay that, but sometimes I'm saying I don't and that's why sometimes when people tax you certain things looking for a debate argument of back and forth whatever you WANNA call it if I don't ignore it completely i. just reply back, okay. That's growth for see. That's not enough for a piece disruptor like. No. No, no people like that will not stop until you go back and forth with them and a wise man name. Little Duval once told us I'm living. My best life ain't going back and forth with shoot. That ain't going back and forth. Part is very important, but once again a agitator of ours Jenna Lisa she not having she won't stop until she transferred that negative energy that exists within her into you. That's the law of energy kids start. Isaac Newton said it best. The love energy is energy has never lost destroyed, just merely transferring from one party to the next, and that's exactly what gentle Lisa was trying to do. The according to actually news to in Atlanta GENTA. Lisa was upset because her boyfriend refused to argue with her. Did you hear me generally was upset because her boyfriend refused to argue with her generally. Do you know how many women would love to have a man who doesn't? Them, do you know how many women would love to have a man who didn't pick a fight about every little thing? Some women driving to work right now. Listen into donkey at a day angry. Because they're man picked a fight with them last night our first thing this morning. They was arguing about something stupid I. Promise you this quarantine. Has Tested the strength of so many relationships has to patients and so many relationships, and so many people have sat around and ask themselves repeatedly. What are we arguing about now because they have a significant other, who absolutely positively always has to find something to argue about meanwhile Genoa Lisa. You have a man who doesn't want to argue with you. He's probably chanting to himself. Spiritually disciplined brother. WHO's trying to beat a best version of himself. Okay, attempting to have heightened energy and more sensitivity towards others knife compassionate Buddha chances listen. Yes. Just, protecting his space, okay, protecting his truth, protecting his piece, and then how? This happens. Let's go to KFC. KS L. A news twelve hundred report police. A man is fighting for his life tonight and the woman police believe is responsible is twenty nine road gene Alicia, Lawrence, she's allegedly the estranged girlfriend of a thirty four year old man that was shot Lawrence allegedly shot him following a dispute. She left the area and a Green Honda accord with primer on the left passenger side front door right now. Police have a warrant charging Lawrence with attempted second degree murder. That's right. gentle Lisa. Shot her boyfriend simply because her boyfriend didn't want to argue with her. You see negativity works. Do you see how negative Energy Works General? Lisa's boyfriend didn't do anything to her. She wasn't mad at him. She was mad at herself. Whatever hurt. She had inside her. She passed on him. Because that's what hurt. People do hurt people. Healed he'll people hurt. People hurt other people. I respect the boyfriend. Because clearly he's father along his journey of healing than she is because she likes discomfort so much. She likes disruption so much that she was upset. Her boyfriend wouldn't give her back was she was trying to serve him? Oh, you just GONNA walk around here peaceful. You just going to be happy in my presence was going so good in your life that you don't want to argue at me. What is this Kuna Matata thing you talking about? Let me tell you what that is. Generally, it's called making a choice and when you are protecting your piece, you have to make the choice to not. Not, allow anybody to make you angry. Don't let them disturb your peace of mind. Our of set you don't give your power away to another king or Queen. You decide your mood, not them jealousy. You tried it in every other piece. Disrupt out there. I'm a pray for you I want you to get healing, and to all my brothers and sisters out there that are attempting to beat the best versions themselves living their best lives, protecting their piece i. want to tell you please please please protect Joe piece to day in every day. Rise above any ignorance and don't allow someone else's misery to steal your joy. Please give generally some lawrence too sweet sounds Hamilton's. Go! All, right well, thank you for that donkey today, Charlemagne. That's right I when we come back. Ask against you thought about it. You were thinking about something to try to disturb my piece. I saw you low bauge mine rattling. I was I was just teasing. ASCII, eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five one. If you relationship advice or any type of advice, ask yee call now is the breakfast club good morning? WHAT YOU ON BABY! Mama issues needs to words of wisdom up now for. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five one. Oh Five! Want the breakfast club. Komo. Relationship Rice. Personally, advised the real. Up Now for. Boarding. Everybody is DJ envy. Angela Ye Shall Nagai Guy. We are the breakfast club is time for ask? Ye Hello, WHO's this? Movie. Face Stacey wish of course be so I was engaged to this guy in one still engaged to him, and I went through his offset and I found naked pictures of men. That your IPAD. Excite. The he got discover. took us up. Another one bites the dust. Off. So. What were these Nikki? Where were these naked man pictures of the? Sexual what was going on? Day. Private I mean some of them with southeast, but most of them was. APPEANAS Selfie. Are so go ahead, so what happened? About these of naked men. He just said that it was a faith like it was something that he was doing. 'cause he was born so like I'm guessing. In the people and then Their pictures. Like that. He's not by special or he's not gay. And I don't know what to do. From there you know it's been five or six years, so he's never engaged in any sexual activity with the man is what he's saying. Yes, okay, do you believe him? I mean I. Don't know okay. This is what I'm saying. When you start off this conversation, you said you were engaged. And now you're saying you still you, but you still are, but it feels to me like you. Saying that shows me the in your head. You already not engaged anymore. I don't know how to go about the situation like you know He. He's telling me that he's not gay or bisexual, but the picture the pictures are telling me otherwise and any like he goes back like I could go back the pictures in it date back to maybe to the beginning of our relationship or even farther. Right and you know listen. It might be hard for him to have this discussion with you so first of all you need to let him know that it's a safe space for him to talk and that you're willing to listen to whatever it is that he has to say, and law has any regiment now it is safe space, though right and if things don't work out because look. If you decide that a year sure right now so to me. If you're not sure there's just can't get married, because marriage has to at least feel like a sure thing right, but I also think you should let him know look. You can talk to me about anything is between us is confidential and I. Just want you to feel comfortable enough to feel like you can do that, and then we can decide you know what's going to happen with US moving forward, but it'll be US deciding together and I just want us just if you're not comfortable with something, don't do it. Why would I believe that? She will keep yourself with you on the radio right now? See the nine. Now. I. was raised. You know I'm not judgmental at all like I felt like. When he would have came into the relationship in via. You know this is who I am, then I can accept you for that I. Can accept you for who you are, but five years worth of lies. I don't know if I can accept and I just didn't know how to move forward like you're telling me that you're not bisexual or gay. How do I know that that's just not a cover up. You know like you're not going to. Make sure that we still stay together and we get married and your have undercover relationships I. Just don't. Know what to do. And he he just might not be comfortable with himself, because clearly he's not out if he is and so there has to be something that he probably has to come to terms with you know himself, and so I'm sure it's. It's difficult for him all around, but you can't be lying in your relationship. And now he's been discovered. So I think you know the thing. The only thing you can do is say look what bothers me. The most is dishonesty, and that's why I'm asking you. Let's have this conversation. I mean he might just be curious now. What have you know? That's just his version of bird-watching? She said it's a pitchers. We'll get a lot of birds. That's the whole point you go to the park. You want the a bunch of birds. Maybe he's just is his version of bird watching I don't know, but if she's not accountable and she doesn't believe that it's the you know. He's being honest. That's an issue. To find out lamb on his stomach and give them that knuckle test. Joe In bb using when he buys her eyes and give them that knuckle. Tell us. About this enough protest. Not Not knuckle tested. Knuckle tests. I don't know nothing like that. You know Charlemagne and ask them about the past and good luck with that do that. He can come do it for you. From. My goodness all right, ask you eight, hundred, five, eight, five one. Oh, five one. If you have questions or you need to do to La, hit hitter up now with the breakfast club. The real wheel with some real advice with Angelique. It's S E. Morning, everybody is Tj. Envy Angela Ye shall Amiga. We are the breakfast club now inside for ask Ye. Hello, WHO's this? Hello, this is James. Hey, what's up, Bro, which of course free? Yes, so my question is that I'm currently a realtor I've been furloughed off my from my previous job before the pin when the pandemic started and I love what I do as a realtor. They calling me to go back door I. Don't know if I should go back to work. I mean it seems like eleven. What you do now, so do you want to go back to that job? No I don't. There's your answer now. You can focus full time on doing something that you enjoy. Thank you I. Really appreciate that. Okay there you go. Easy. That was easy as he ever. Let's go to another caller. Hello, WHO's this? This is Camila Take Camilla. What's your question free? My question is goal is starting last month. And I have a six year old. Who will be going into first grade? they gave us the option to. Our child goes to school or not, but we have to let them know in the next week. I was just wondering because you guys. Devonian, because I'm earnestly terrified, but. My son wants to go to school 'cause he's the only child and we also involved in a car accident last year, so he didn't get a chance to really fulfil his entire school years so I, don't know what to do. I also have to work so like I I. Don't know what to do, but what? What are you? I don't know opinion on it. You know that's hard for us to tell you what you should do with your child, because that's your child, so I think you know your instincts should tell you i. get it though because it's difficult and somebody sent me a message about this and I was reading an article about this about people who have to go to work. They have kids who are in school, but financially they need to go to work, and then they don't have anybody to take care of their child while they're going to work, so if you didn't send your child to school, what would you be? What would happen like? What? How would everything play out? Right now. If I didn't, I would be we would do remote learning. Get home, and honestly I would just be praying on making sure everything's work. I mean I. Do know that for that so. I don't know I don't know I just I. Don't know As far other kids in when I don't know, but I think you guys I. Know is kind of like A. Whatever I WANNA do things but I jus. Places, we are in now as a world so confused and update. So I I know. And you hear so many you hear so many different things I think it is important to do your own research. No one reason with the schools opening. They're saying that kids very often don't end up. Getting. As sick as most people do because their immune systems are stronger, but then you know there's always a chance that that could happen, and so what I would do, if if I were you just because you said you have to let them know within a week, I would say yes, and then if you change your mind, you can change your mind and things are changing. You know I think daily so at least you have a spot if you tell them, yes, and then. If you decide not to do it, you can always change your mind and I think way out. Out The pros and cons. Do your research see what's happening? See what's happened in other countries as they're reopening and going back to school, which does what's happening in other cities and way to options. I think this is a great time to write it down to write down the list of pros and cons and I think with your motherly instinct. Come to a decision on what you WANNA do when it's for you to make that final decision, you know things are changing daily, so if you feel like the numbers are too high if you feel like there's so many. Children being infected. If you see some spikes in cases, and you're not comfortable with it, then you have to go with that, I think safety is always i. Thank you so. All right no problem I know, and that's something that a lot of people are dealing with right now. Scary. It's scary. It helps and I appreciate he giving me a different perspective to look on the. Thank you so much. Okay no problem. Good Luck! Ask Ye Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five one. If you relationship advice in any type of advice, you could hit ye now now we got room was underway and before that. What? What did you guys decide to do? About schools reopening with the kids? I'm just curious We still have a little time I was GONNA I'm not putting my kids in camp, but like I said we have another a month and a half so two months so I stopped little time I don't think I'm going to put the little ones in school. Madison Bulletin College this year but I don't know what to do. That yet I still haven't decided with my twelve. Yo told me yesterday as she doesn't WanNa. Go back because she doesn't feel safe. So you know I think she's a Adrienne I trust my daughters. My daughters instincts. You know so. We're GONNA figure that out, but she says you don't want to go, so I'm leaning towards now letting her go. Who knows? All right well rumors coming out J Cole. Is Johnson New music and we'll tell you what he had to say all right? We'll get into that next. Keep it locked this the breakfast club morning. Breakfast Club. Angelou. Clothes. And sat down with Rabbi Abraham, Cooper and they didn't extended interview for his podcast cannons class, and this is all because of the antisemitic comments that Nick Cannon made, and that's why he's lost his relationship with Viacom CBS well one thing that the rabbi started off with was telling him why what he said was problematic steams, rothschild world, conspiracies and stuff. It's pure Farrakhan and. And I. Understand exactly that for many people in the black community when they hear Farrakhan the Million Man March and they think about black empowerment of Shit. They think about one of the greatest orators in America. Which is true what we think about a Farrakhan is a person who has invested a lot of his energies in the hatred of the Jewish people now another thing. About was what the rabbi gave him after that interview. You sent me. Nine pages believe it was of US pretty harsh in in hateful terminology and I was like. I can never condone any of that, but even in that I could send you nine pages. Ninety ages of wonderful things from my perception from what I was taught, that's the only man I know who's ever peacefully brought together a million black man at want for a Tony now nick cannon talked about Atonement, and when we speak of a tone me. Yes, this is what we're here for. You know the definition of a told me to to right the wrongs of or for anyone that you may have upset or hurt and I feel like this is a tone Tony moment, but then I had to go in because I'm not here to protect anyone else. I only have this conflict here to protect my name I. Don't cancel ten more times. I don't care about money I don't care I'm really care about who I am truly and knowing that if I hurt someone, have to correct that any US oh, said that he really realized what he said when he read up on history. Just had a opportunity of reading this book the how to fight. And Simitis by very wise was reading. Doing is something that stuck out that kind of corrected me in an felt it in my spirit, and I think it was something, whereas as anti-semitism is fueled through hate, but often like I think like the good intentions are the missing tangent of the good is what perpetuate right, and then I was like wow. Wow, that's that's me. y'All whole convoy yesterday I i. Think Nick gravitates whoever is in front so whatever you're on. He's going be or whatever professor griff was on. He was on whatever Rabbi Cooper was on. You know nick was on and when someone moves like that. It's hard to tell what they're really on, but I do believe Nikki, someone who? Genuinely wants to please everybody, but that will never work you trying to figure it out, so please you never be happy trying to please everybody so so don't try to please everyone. Just don't hurt him, but it was very educational. Conversation and everyone should go listen to it, and it's a part of me. That does want to see someone like a rabbi. Koukoulas sit down with a Minister Farrakhan because I feel they could have a civil discussion about their differences, but not if you know one side is convinced star, both sides are convinced like like you can approach compensation and just feel like. Like you know what the other side is about. If you're already convicted about a person and you just showing up to prove, someone is alive. That's not gonNA work. You gotTA. Have a civil conversation. You Tell you truth that person tells the truth and we see which one holds up I don't see what the benefit of that conversation would be, but it would be entertaining and educational for sure and I do wish that conversation between Rabbi Couva and it can. It would have happened without the current circumstances because I think it would have been a better conversation because nick spent a Lotta time. Defending himself was just came off awkward, you know. All right well, let's a little baby. He's on the cover of rolling. Stone magazine and he's talking about a lot of different things. Coast KS in the article talking about how he saw something in baby when he was seventeen years old that he hadn't seen in himself yet, he said I remember one day we standing US studio. I'll never forget this. He had on all white. Now is a baby man. Why don't you rep? You Got Swag? You've got the lingo. You get respect around the city. City from the east side to the west side to the south side. Why don't you rap and he basically told them you know coach? I'm street guy and that's why he didn't WanNa. Do it, but you have to going to jail and realizing he didn't want to be there anymore and going into studio as you know, we had a little baby on the show. Pretty early on his career also has only been less than five years now since little babies come out with his first year maybe. Remember when he first came on the show, and he said I'm try this four year, and if this don't work I'm out of here. Yeah. Yet I remember P calling me to try to convince me to have a little baby on. You know. Baby was brand new. He was like I'm telling you. It's going to be the Guy Yada Yada Yada like sure. Why not I trust you even within the interview? Well they talk about the song, the bigger picture and he said it's not a protest song. He said I just rap about my life. All my songs are basically about me. It was at a point where I felt I needed to say something he said. The bigger picture isn't a radical gesture. It's just. Share existence, so that's on has been streamed over one hundred million times, and it's an amazing song it's. Something that like he needed to do, and it is his life and one thing that he talked about it and I said this really got front-page news everywhere. He says that black people are racist, too. And he said racist means to be just to your race, and you know the writer title. Ix lambeau thing about racism. You would have to have some type of power and baby said to me. A racist is someone who treats different race than there's a different way than they would treat. There's I feel like if you're a black person and you treat all black people, one way in our white people want a you're racist. I'm not a racist, so I give a white person a chance to talk and actually get into it before I can say I don't like you or not, and I don't feel the same way about a black person. You Ain't going to be my. Just because you're black, just straight up so. Black people can't be racist. I don't hate white people I hate white supremacy and you know I could never be bigoted towards the white person. What would I do? Hate is white supremacist system. I hate you. Know systemic racism. I hate the fact that you know. I don't have true freedom because of the color of my skin. That's what I hate. You know so I. I'm not racist towards white people. That's that's impossible. I can't systemically do anything to keep a white person down. I can't marginalize a a white person, but they can do that to me all day. Everyday whether you're GONNA. Black person be racist towards other. Not, just white people can be racist to Asian people can. Go. You know. You can. I think you probably can be bigoted towards them, but I think that I'm thinking about black and white are issues with white people have nothing to do with the color of their skin. It's to do with the way is white. Supremacist system has treated us. Like we have every right to be upset and every right to be angry, white people, but what reason does white do I people have to be mad at us. All right now. Let's get into Jayco because I want to get through all of this. He's putting out some new music and that should be out today. The climb back posted produced by me Lion King. On is produced by J Cole Team. From the fall of dropping tomorrow night he this yesterday ten PM. No date for the album yet taking my time still finishing, so I know you guys are excited. And he also did a piece for players. Tribune he talks about a lot of things I highly recommend that you guys read it. He talked about losing his passion for a period of time when it came. Came to rapping and he said he had time to waste for the first time since college after finishing his twenty fourteen forest hills drive campaign, and he said that time relaxing also left him feeling less passionate about being an MC before he did find his passion again. He talked about having two sons Yeah, he just he just never reading his rock Mason contract. You know as well so you can read that whole article on the Players Tribune. It's called the audacity. I, write I'm Angela and that is your room a report all right, thank you miss. Ye Now shelter revolt. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Everybody else. The People's choice mixes up Nex. Get your request in right now. Is The breakfast club Good Morning? Everybody is DJ. Envy Angela Yee Charlene Guy. We are the breakfast club's tonight. He goes down on versus. D. M. X. Verse Snoop. at a crash on the main. You have snoop Dogg. First of all just don't. Term, wash I just don't like that word. They need to stop with these matchup. Somebody's matchups are washes. Dan, Malam Mexico a AMEX is the legend. He's an icon I'm sure it's to be very entertaining. He's GonNa. Say A lot of prayers tonight. You know what I mean. Before certain records, he'll probably say a prayer before the whole thing starch, which is great, but we're talking about music, and when you talk about twenty songs versus twenty songs, Snoop Dogg has weapons of mass destruction. Okay Jenny juice. Because this is what you feel fair to realize. You're up against. To chronic albums. doggystyle record to pot no limit and just those loosing. Go hit their snoopy on out there, so you gotta deal with GIN and juice nothing but a jeep ing trade a deep cover the next episode. Drop it like it's hot down for my head is which is asleep. 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We got a lot of records to man this. Just don't watch. is going to be like. I love the anthrax, but come on. This is a bad matchups, not a good match up. You know it's not a good match up next. See, what's about to happen and think about the Lucy's like like our Iraq right now in a life would won. I'm the life for the party. young, wild and Free Wiz Khalifa like it's a lot lot. Bro A lot a lot now. The only way snoop could lose this battle if he if he gets in his snoop line bag or his Snoop Gospel loud bag still got a lot of music, but if he picks the right, twenty is not even close as twenty. They gotTa go twenty foot twenty, so we'll see just don't see wash man, but when we come back positive, know about snoop doggy Dogg. It's the breakfast club. Good Morning Fat! Joe said the fat jokes and Snoop Dogg. I record that. Go like I wish you a merry Christmas like they're. They're that big around the world like moment and I love X. become on. Morning everybody is DJ envy. 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Iron Man 2 | A Marvel Cinematic Universe Rewatch

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Iron Man 2 | A Marvel Cinematic Universe Rewatch

"Hey there he is absolute pleasure welcome. Oh goodness gracious. Can we get the handcuffs off my friend here? Forgive me. I'm sorry. I'm such a huge fan of yours. I didn't WanNa make a first impression like this. He's a human being. I respect this fund financed Justin Hammer. Like the do some business with you. The world outside your window is not great but here in pusher recaps everything is super. This is the podcast dedicated to all things. Super Heroic. Presently focused on the marvel cinematic universal. Oh everybody I am Josh Wig. I am joined here by a man who much like Justin Hammer eats. Dessert I before anything else. Kevin Madeo in that famous sweet tooth of his. It's here's the thing when you become an adult at your own food. Are you coming adults? Yes you get your food or whatever order you decide. If you want to eat your dessert I is your right. It's an adult human. What's your what's your go-to desert before. What's your go-to sweet? Before save reeling. If you're going to get like a full cheesecake before you get into a chicken like how's this GonNa go? Oh my God I mean I love love cheesecake so I will eat cheesecake for any part of any meal. Really I would take that down tier masseuse another favorite sweet dessert that. I really like you like like the soft cakes I do. I do Especially like key Lime Pie. I'm more like I think. Eileen a little bit towards pie versus how about a strawberry cake or you will strawberries. I'm not I don't like strawberries. I'd that line by the way. That's that's one of the most underrated one. Because I felt that I felt that. Oh No that's me Kinda like letting you. There is a correlation. This is progress. I felt that deeply Kevin and I. We've already talked about how we took like that character quiz test and we both scored for Tony. Stark has like the one who is a marvel closest analog and that was a moment where I felt like I knew there was a correlation. Was ALLERGIC BREATH. Very capable. Highly capable of making that mistake absolutely. Yeah my sister-in-law is allergic to strawberries and one time. She went home for her birthday and her mom had strawberry cake for her in the fridge. Oh mom is worse than even what? Tony started to pots as long as you. Don't serve emily exit doing alright. No but she does love the bird all right well. Let's talk about this enough daily dying. Let's get into it. I run man to. We're up to our third movie here in the MC you were up to our first sequel here in the MC you so swiftly we return to the subject of Tony Stark and the poor palladium. That's rotting his core. As is raging narcissist is that has been reimb- used at him now that he is a world renowned as as iron man the best. What does he say is the greatest over of all time? Is there a better comeback story? Like I forget what he's saying. What he what he takes the stage. But which would extend is Robert. Downey junior right like that. That's what we kind of talked about this movie. In this franchise especially as a huge comeback for him in a great way so. I totally like He. Was channeling some personal stuff. And I think that's what makes this character. So great for them and the first big ironman scene in the movie is sort of like Marvel taking a bit of a bow. Iron man hit so hard and now here they are a couple of years later because it takes some time for so two thousand nine passes without a single marvel cinematic universe movie after iron man in two thousand eight and incredible hulk just a few weeks after that. And at that point it's like when Marvel's Aright stopdown were assembling the avengers. Let's come up with a plan. We're getting we're getting cat. We're going to stud some people into those movies so that they could show up in avengers but in order to clear the decks for that we got come back with another ironman too fast. Track THAT FAST TRACK. That ironman too. So it's been a minute since iron man's been on screen at the point where like this movie doesn't start here better. Defensively starts here with Tony. Stark taking a bow and it does feel kind of ceremonial for for Marvel itself. But is it an earned bow and this is the question that we are going to be at least a little bit talking through. I think here on this podcast is when you look at those. Mc You rankings. That all of us crazy people do. And that's one of the things that we are doing here on everything super were coming up with an official MC you ranking very scientifically but everybody has their unscientific ways of doing this. Or they're very personal ways of doing this and I think when you look at the rankings that a lot of people do certainly. I'm looking at yours right now. Kevin and I'm looking at mine. The one that I scrawled out at a bar right before vendors endgame came out and the one that you scrawled ahead of I think during the ironman release so we haven't even gotten as far as incredible hulk yet. You and I both have iron man to ask the second worst marvel cinematic universe movie and I think even at the time there was this feeling that ironman too is just like going through the motions and it was just here because you gotta get Tony Stark back in action and this is just like a boating. It in movie like this is just bullied. Not really worthy of the hype. This is just it's just there and as long as it's moving us closer to vendors as long as we're GONNA get thorn cat next like we'll see it through but like you're on thin ice here going back and revisiting. The movie Kevin is that reputation. Bear is the reputation that ironman too is like the second worst marvel cinematic universe movie. Is that fair? Is this movie really that bad or is the extra time to fund? Because that's the kind of sort of fun. This movie is actually kind of fun. It has great great moments and it has some really really dumb one incredibly stupid shit simply so stupid. Some very dated stuff as well. Tony Stark cancelled a very cancelable person. Here I think great to get Scarlett Johansson in the mix and get black widow in the mix but like some of the ways. She's handled in this. Not my favorite some dumb stuff birthday party. Whatever but like there's a lot of fun stuff here too and I think even a lot of the stuff that gets like remembered poorly. I actually think maybe is all right. I'm looking at you. Micky rourke okay. I think you're fine. I mean here. Like my rankings going to reflect because I do think. Mickey Rourke is great and there's a lot in here that made me really love. Mickey Rourke the character I think is great but we can get into that later chart I just I think certainly after coming off the incredible hulk is this movie. The second worst movie nephew. No no not anymore. I think we can all land on that one. We'll get to what we consider the worst and maybe that changes to. I don't know after ironman too. I don't know anymore. This is a pleasure to watch. And what a strange thing to say. I really didn't think it would. I thought like Oh here we go all right ironman too. I have this thing where like in my mind. Ironman too is just a bad movie. And then I go and I revisited in nine men to is fun and then I get away from iron man to again for a while and then like it just becomes a bad movie again in my memory and I revisited again. And it's still fun. This is what happened to me in my road to adventures endgame. I think this must have been in the days leading up to end game and so this was happening after I had done like that like quick notepad rankings of the movies by remember going back and watching ironman too and being kind of a blast and there's an added level of poignancy now to ironman too that has never existed for me and watching this movie until this week when I watched it because again just in case you don't know everything is super is a spoiler filled marvel cinematic universe rewatch podcast and we are talking about spoilers all the way through a vendors and game so if you care about that if you haven't seen those movies if you're trying to do this unspoiled checkout now. That's all the filibuster you're going to get. I'm about to spoil the major thing from vendors endgame which is that. Ironman dies actually dies in much of ironman too is about like. What is Tony Stark doing in the wake of like Terminal Diagnosis? And it's so fascinating to watch this this version of him kind of wrestle with that and maybe get some of those like party man playboy jitters out in this movie that allows him to mature and grow as a character across his are for the rest of the EMC you just never existed for me before washing ironman too and that's something that now does exist for me watching this movie absolutely and I think that we see a lot of call backs I mean. It is very clear. I think that the powers that be went back and re watched a lot of this to to pull certain things as they went on and the stuff with his dad especially I think is very pointy and very impactful knowing how this all turns out I mean you know. There's that line where he's saying. The Happiest Day of his of his dad's life was shipped off to boarding school in the. That's not true. And certainly now that we saw in game and we went and he went back in time to meet his dad as he's going home and worried about being a father. I think that scene becomes more powerful knowing these moments from ironman too. I think you know what you said is true. Though like it is a fun blast to watch and I think the difference becomes like. It's a fun movie but like whenever we look at it in a broader context always felt not important and not impactful enough. I think to an extent that is still true but the smaller moments of character moments occur growth moments the moments are necessary for Tony to have his huge huge character arc. Over the course of this entire. You know a four phase system is really or three days. I guess is is really big and important in Ironman too and setting that up and then there's some dumb software you have a birthday party but I do think it. It's better and it's more fun to watch. The rankings may not reflect it in into it's not gonNA be in the top ten for us but it certainly not the awards. No no yeah but I mean I think like even without looking at it. We're GONNA leave this podcast. Ironman ironman too incredible for sure. Yeah I think that's fair to say where we are at the moment spoilers for that but I think it's safe to say that but this did really have some great stuff. Some great great stuff. Speedway fight is fantastic. It's fun it really is. And it's also says a woman bird like apparently like I remember hearing that was just a real thing though I think. Mickey rourke himself wanted a bird the character which makes me laugh at that date one incorporated that like that that Meta commentary in a way because like that one of the most famous stories that came out of the Mickey Rourke was like my character should have a bird. Yeah all right so again. The great torbjorn frazier a great friend of the PODCAST. Here contributes some behind the scenes details every week. And of course your feedback always welcome super at Post Show. Recaps DOT COM is our email address. You can also tweet at us. At Po Show RECAPS AT ROUND. Howard is me calf? Mateo is Kevin and also by the way we've got our feet up our post show recaps. Everything is super specific. Feed is up so every get your podcast. You can subscribe directly to feed and if you do. Those ratings and reviews greatly greatly greatly great greatly. I don't even know if I could greatly another time without botching. The pronunciation of the word greatly appreciated as we were hoping to lure new. People to the PODCAST. All along the way but torbjorn frazier has a lot of these behind the scenes details. And says that yeah? A lot of whiplash is identifying features. Were suggested by Mickey Rourke. He wanted to perform half of his role in Russian. He consulted on the characters tattoos on his teeth as well as having the pet cockatoo in fact vork paid for the bird to gold. Teeth out of his pocket actually makes me feel a lot better. Part of me is like I love that. But what a nightmare must have been but it'd be paid for it himself. That's great the reverse. I almost be like marvel. You've got to put the bill on that. You GotTa make sure that bird a safe. Mickey Rourke to be responsible for your Ironman Tubert. I can think maybe want like some some corporate handlers involved in the handling of this living creature I mean yes oversight. I think is probably all right. Let's just assume Mickey Rourke also paid for that. Let's just give him the benefit of the data. This point lead also safer after paying for the gold teeth. I think it's I think that the the parallels between Tony Stark in Ivan Vanko are. It's something that's worth talking about here because that's a big piece of the movie. But I I think that in terms of where the actors are. I think it's also kind of compelling where Robert Downey. Junior has this huge renaissance with the success of iron man. He had been like to some extent in like Hollywood jail because he'd also been in literal jail and things were not going great for him and he had kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that was great. And that put him on the radar fabric and he gets Ironman and obviously man blows up and he so recognizable in that role and he's able to negotiate himself a really great deal something where he basically prices himself out to the extent that he's going to have to get killed off at some point many many movies later so he's doing. I'd ends up with a really great relationship with marvel and I think that bad allows him to renegotiate his deal for Captain America's civil war spiderman homecoming and movies like that but he ends up like with like a really huge deal. That like. Nobody like Chris Evans Chris Hemsworth. Nobody comes close to touching and simultaneously with all of this is all happening like around two thousand eight. Ish Right. Mickey Rourke who himself is something of like if you WANNA call the reformed bad boy or like just a bad boy who's having himself a bit of a moment. He's back in a way that he hadn't been in a while like he's Marvin Sin City. Who's not like a supremely iconic comic book character but if you're a sin city fan that's like the guy from the first city book and Mickey Work Brings Them to really life is a real hit. Certainly it's A. It's a huge in terms of its budgets in city had a one hundred and sixty million dollar box office on a forty million dollar budget which is wild eyed. Mickey work is a huge piece of that. That's when he gets the wrestler. Darren Aaron OPS. Keep movie that he was like a shoo-in to win an Oscar for and then along came. I believe it was Sean Penn as Harvey Milk in milk. That ends up. Ads like the Stealth Victor of the Best Actor award. After Mickey Rourke was cleaning it up at the Oscars that year. Now you think about what's making workup to right now. What's he doing what what happened from there examples three? He's in the bengals. I think he was just in but one I think he was. Just in the first expendable. I didn't. He was not in the other two showed up. But you might be right. No He's not in the other expendable 's he was in this movie immortals. I don't know if you saw that with with Henry cavill Ak Suu Kyi. I'm aware of mortals. Actually low key like that film even though it's not good news next week reprised his role as Marvin Sin City a dame to kill for which had a bigger budget than the first sin city sixty five million dollar budget and it made box office return of thirty nine point. Four million dollars so it doesn't go great for for Mickey Rourke and his career after kind of having this moment he's on this upswing and think about how that kind of parallels Vanko stark. I've in Vancouver. Father is like a big piece of the success of stark and he kind of gets thrown to the side he gets like a bad dose of bad luck and then he just gets like grinded under the fist of life and here comes his son. Who's trying to like a reshape? His father's legacy in a way. That ironman is trying to reshape his family legacy as well. And I think it's a sort of a fascinating thing in the ways in which that's being mirrored by the performers too and their and their careers. Not like any of that intentional. But I just think that that is there as some subtext. And if that's like the kind of subtext that you like when you're when you're watching a movie like an ally conforms your your view of film that maybe read a movie like I. I do sometimes because that's definitely on my mind. I'm watching Mickey Rourke bring whiplash to life this time in a way that I hadn't really considered that before but that's like a very big piece of the characters. This person who like who who was a should have been a star like should've been like king of the ring and something else happened in. That rivalry is playing out across IRONMAN. Too and it's not even necessarily like the big centerpiece of the movie but in terms of that dynamic between those two characters. That's there and I appreciated it more this time than I have before. I think you are correct. I think there's a lot in there. That's really interesting about the character and how they approached it in that way but on the other hand. I feel like this is to the incredible hulk where I'm like that is really interesting and deep fascinating. I wish there was more delving into that. Like the same way that Emil Blondes. Have he had just like the bare minimum of it? I think they should have invested a little bit more into developing that because that would made it an interesting character a more interesting character to more dynamic villain than what we ultimately ended up with which was a great performance for Mickey Rourke but a villain that didn't shine through tonight. Think part of it is is what you said. I think there is more of a death of of pathos a NATO so you could have had that focus on to get a little bit lost because like this movie reminded me a lot of the problems with Woodville in sometimes in movies and especially marvel movies to have me go off on a not not a random famous Kevin thing. I'm GonNa talk about writing. Even I'm not a professional writer yet but villains are important and stories and a good adage people follow. Is this idea that the villain should be a reflection of the hero and that is accurate. Yes but I think what happens sometimes is unfortunately you end up in situations where people just take that a little too literally and you end up with Ovadai stain you end up with whiplash you end up with yellow jacket you end up with these villains who are basically just well they have the same powers as the hero except they're bad and the reason for being bad are sometimes surfaced sometimes miniscule and instead it's just oh the hero fights I quote unquote dark reflection but it's not that I think what it really is should be and I think what gets lost in translation often is that it's not a reflection necessarily to the point of having the same powers at it it's a part of the hero psyche or a part of their personality amplified to a degree of darkness as a way of putting it and to make a comparison one of the most famous arguments about Batman villains that I do support tune extent is that each of them should reflect a part of him taken to a man. Yeah yeah part of Batman taken to a bad degree right. So joker is chaos and insanity that does exist small part of Batman the desert crazy. That's that part of it. We have racial ghoul. Who is Batmans hardcore planning? His strategy that exists in racial cool scarecrow as his fear. Each of these characters have these aspects. Batmans personality is taken to a different degree. It's even reflected and should be if you're my favorite character superman. The best way to look at Superman villains. Is that right lex? Luther is superman humanity taken to a dark degree. That's the worst thing that humanity is Lexi with Mr Missile Plex. I actually have an answer for that. That Superman God hood people talk about Superman. Being God a person able to do anything mixed put like is absolutely that he's a god able to do anything taken to a degree. Brainiac IS ALIEN ASPECT GENERALS ODD. Who does have as mimic of power? Is His tony in the group. Tony inside of Superman take into a bad degree. Each of them have a unique aspect of superman of people comment on but shown to be a reflection dark reflection of it. They don't just reflect his powers but part of his psyche and they can have powers but that's an amplified to the first. Which is this and I think what gets lost in Translation. Here is exactly that what you said? Brilliant part of taking that part of the psyche that could be twisted and done with but instead we end up with a final fight that's ironman versus a bunch of iron man would real no real emotional stake shares pathos behind it. And that's a fault. We see a lot in these stories and I think the best villains do that. Well the ones that stand out in marvel do it well. Thanos is a great example. Dan says a universal villain but ultimately he wasn't ironman villain and what he represented. Is Tony Stark's ego because Thanos Antonio the same person? Because Thanos was convinced he knew what was best for the future and he knew what was best for humanity other people say otherwise. Be Damned and Tony felt the same way. Tony made the same arguments and civil war. And that's what makes them so interesting and dynamic and not also mentioned Thanos. Has this magic power. We're Tony as tech. Based there's a lot there that worked really well for those comparisons those characters and white then is way better villain at the end of the day is because he reflected something Tony that we got to see take into a bad degree. So that's my rant on villains. Doom take a little bit thought into that. Don't just follow the surface level adage of dark reflection really think about what it means to have your villain and what it represents. You don't always have to do it that way. They don't seem to be a lot more. But if you're doing the basic approach try that really delve into it and think about what the aspects of your character psyche isn't how you could use that to your advantage and so do not see any of that in whiplash and Justin Hammer in this. Do you do not see like whiplash. Both Whiplash Justin Hammer to me. If I'm trying to map that ethos to them as they pertain to ironman would both be fairly similar of like both of them like or May. Maybe it's whiplash. Has the stark genius but not the backing not the success and maybe Justin Hammer a modicum of the stark success but none of the genius to yes to an extent that is there but again it's so surface level to it right like he has a genius but not success. How has that really affected him in his motivations because that doesn't necessarily align with this aspect of like I wait for for also the idea like make God bleed. That's actually something that we see. Baron Zemo who is actually one of my favorite villains and the MC you because his motivations were similar to basically tear down these heroes and show the world we do let us they do a similar thing with with. Is it baron. Zemo or helmet in zero Is it zero? What what's his name again? Zemo Zima Zima. Yeah drink but with no but like they do the thing with him that they're trying to do with whip lashings that they make it a lot more emotional and better exactly because they had a connection to the hero in a way that that fit that character and I think again like it's there but we don't really see how that influences decision and what he ended up with. Justin Hammer is like. Oh Tony the warmonger. But we did it. It wasn't developed in that way like that characters entire motivation just like I got embarrassed by Tony and I want to do better and make robots can you be at Sam Rockwell? He's one kid. He's eating his ice creams and buy everything though is like it's also they do. There's one moment where you're just like. This is why this character isn't as good as Tony. Stark and his dumber is because he's just like no drones aren't what we want people in suits and I'm like drones are better. You don't have a person in a suit on the time you're trying to take away their jobs Kevin by God but after like they had like the video of like the one person in the hammer has broken in half basically that guys alive. What condition right. What did you do to that man? And that could be again. That could be interesting aspect of like what is what is Tony. The businessman had he stopped caring about human collateral right. That could be interesting. But you have some Rockland road who I love. But he's not the actor who's going to portray that aspect of it or be written to it and say you have dancing on on stage which I love my name right now is just in hammers dancing. Also I'm pretty convinced Sam Rockwell hasn't his contracts. He has to dance every movie I think he does. It's very good but like it's not you lose those aspects of it and I think you know it's it's it's starting to be there but they don't delve into enough but also when you have two villains right when you have two villains and you don't delve into each of them enough you end up in a very muddled muddled water heater man three. This is a movie that's trying to do a lot. And there's a lot riding on this movie. This is the movie that's like getting us back in on the track of like. Well we're here. We are twenty ten. We're going to have ironman too. We're GONNA have thorn later in the year next year. We're going to have cap in the year after that. We're going to have the avengers like we're here. It's happening and there's a lot on iron man to as a safe bet that people are gonna come and see this move makes more money than the original iron man. It's got a report at two hundred million dollar budget. It makes in. Its opening weekend most of that back where a lot of that back anyway. One hundred twenty eight million in it's opening weekend worldwide. Six hundred twenty three ish million dollars so it's a really safe bet. They know what to expect from iron man at this point. They know that they're going to get money. And they know that this has got to be the place where they need to start building some some stepping stones towards what they hope will make a shit ton more money boy does it then boy does it pays off but maybe at the expense of coherency here in Ironman too. Because it's not just that ironman Scott these bad guys here in Justin Hammer and whiplash. Who are barely on his radar for much of the movie. You know he's really fighting himself for so much of it and then the whiplash in Justin Hammer stuff while can be really fun. That's mostly a credit to Mickey Rourke and to Sam Rockwell than it is to the ways in which they are necessarily interacting with Tony Stark. This is also going to be where you're going to get like your Captain America's shield Easter Egg. And that's what I needed. This is also going to be where Samuel Jackson returns nick fury in a bigger way and is trying to push. Tony towards the avengers. Then like that kind of takes its own little turn. And there's also a lot of you to see Scarlett Johansson shows up as black widow here and there's a part of the Natalie Russian Natalie rush men at the Russian great alias I. I'm so happy that we're getting to talk about black widow but like bad like thank God. They have the vendors pretty quickly after this guy. It's just I mean I'm honestly glad they did the review. Can you imagine if we went this movie without knowing that was black widow but her nine Russia? This is like. There's no world where they were going to do that. But like everything else that we come to know about black widow unless like this is just how lowly they think of Tony Stark. We'll just hi Natalie. Rush men in sight but they're serving a lot of masters is the point. They have to like Admiral Iron Man to to further Tony Stark adventure and I think that is the most successful is where they're dealing with like the characters that were already on the table. Rhody is maybe not my favorite in this movie. Even though I I I definitely re watching the so quickly after the first ironman. I'm very happy with Don cheadle. I think that he's great. I think the story is like a little bit wanting for me but like the banter between him and are deejays obviously really really really great. The pepperpot story like obviously Tony and Pepper. The strawberry things just hysterical the moment where he makes her CEO. I really loved that. Seem quite a bit. And she's she's just really good in that role I think a really underrated component of the MC is is just her performance in these in these two movies and even in three. I think that she's just very funny when she needs to be. But she's also very human and I think that the movie is most successful when it's like when it's just trying to advance the ball and some of that stuff that they set up in the first one a lot of Tony's arc across the is sort of him dealing with PTSD. And how does he live with the trauma of what happened to him? How he got injured him reckoning with like what his life's work has done to other people across the world and then him kind of reckoning with like well who am I now and if the movie ended in this provocative way last time with iron man and he's adding himself as a superhero. Like here he is dealing with a different shade of Messiah Complex. I think is is a great way of pushing in deeper on the most provocative moment of the first movie but to do all of that and then to have a bad guy that's going to accurately reflect then push that further while also having second bad guy that's going to be a piece of that while also having like a ventures track that needs to be laid. You're asking for a lot and Lopa hind the scenes. On this one that I think is is worth highlighting first of all this movie screenplay credit gets credited to Mamand Justin theroux Ince Aka Kevin. Garvey of the leftovers is a really great writer in his own right. I think he's either the sole writer or co writer of Tropic Thunder. Just throw who. I really badly wanted to be doctor. Strange wants to be interesting. He would have been awesome but whatever. Hopefully there's still a role for Justin theroux in the in the future unless he has like one of those blink and you'll miss it cameos but this was. This was a movie where there was a lot of behind the scenes woes. We talked about terrence. Howard priced himself out. Samuel Jackson nearly doesn't return is not. He's not going to return unless he gets more screen time. The screen time is threatened to give him more screen time. They also sign him to like this huge nine picture deal which. I don't know where we're at on that at this moment in time I would. I would have to stop down and look at some nathen. Figure that out and do some number crunching. Has He satisfied that contract as he has done a new contract? There is some friction with Fabio with Jon. Favreau with them Having him rewrite the script going obviously because they want to have that self with like there's some business in New Mexico you think you're my only priority stark. You don't even know what's happening New Mexico but you will in two months. The war hits theaters. So there's just there's there's like that kind of stuff that's happening. I think is souring a few people in the marvel process and wonder what how much of that is paramount. Or how much of that is Pearl? Mutter who is the guy at the forefront of marvel at the time and we don't need to do the big historical deep dive into who that guy is for people who don't know who promoter is other than to say he's bad he's bad and he's not he's not running the shit anymore that's now it's a full foggy thing for the most part. All of this stuff is throwing around so the fact that the movie ends up being as fun as it is while having some moments that are just kind of like bomb is kind of success that to my mind. All things considered in the same way that like a lot suddenly riding on incredible hulk and they're now trying to buy kind of like force feed. They're trying to turn like the incredible hulk liver into Wa Gras. They're trying to do the same thing here with ironman too of like funneling it with like all this rich. Mci Connectivity Stuff. The fact that all of that happens definitely like makes the thing heavier and more bloated and is not a contributing factor to the stuff that I like about the movie but the reason why this works better than incredible hulk for me is for the same reason why with all of this sort of like bootstrap ways in which iron man in incredible hulk came together like this alchemy of Fabbro and Robert Downey Junior. And I'd say Gwyneth Paltrow in the mix there to all of that just like swirls together in a way that incredible hulk does not and that is still the stuff that swirls together really well here in iron man two with the added benefit of Don Cheadle as an actor I think like I do think that the chemistry between him and Tony is really great like that. Final fight scene. Where like I think the three movies and you and I have to try and get on the same page here. 'cause we're doing our informal final battle rankings. Along the way here Kevin. I think this is the top so far. I think that and I think that it's mostly because like there's really great friend. Banter between Tony and Rhody and that's largely because Don. She does a really good actor. I don't agree I I don't know it's the final battle I think whiplash shows up. It does but even so it's up in the night. Kill him five seconds. It's like five seconds. You are so smart. You were doing this everything you were doing up until that moment was great like you just wanted to make God bleed. Your ambitions were were so humble all you want to do publicly humiliate Tony. Stark and hurt him a little bit and show other people that yeah he's fouled when you can go after him. You were happy to live a life out in prison after that. And then you get broken out in your hand and opportunity and Justin Hammer thinks that he can seduce with with finer things and dessert for dinner and Mickey Work Decided. Like I'm just GonNa make them think. I'm some dumb Russian. He's like he's playing really well and then he's got. The drones turned on everybody. And that's really great too. But then he shows up then he goes to the battlefield. No don't do that. That's how you're gonNA get yourself killed. And he gets killed and five seconds and it makes sense because he's up against Iran and proceed with thousand. Gatling guns yeah. No it is ridiculous and that is such an anti climatic moment but even before that I mean. It's again ironman finding drones which shirt whatever but one it suffers from what? I have said before were to that. Final battle. Didn't matter where it took place. I mean the the set of the Disney experts. I mean the world. I mean the Tony Stark was. It didn't really play into it enough. It didn't really factor into the especially since they were flying around elsewhere as well. The speedway is way way way. Better refined piece. I think for sure this movie yet comparatively and like I think you get a better setpiece it. With the fight we warmonger in the first one. It wasn't a great one but I think it ultimately was better as a set piece battle the Banter yes. I agree and as we'll see in the marvel films. The Banter between these characters are going to be what carries a lot of it especially during the fights enhances it. I think they hit the balance and amazing way of course during avengers but of course Joss Weeden is known for his banter especially during action pieces and between characters but that also comes around too. I think you're right. There's a lot of problems with this film in terms of the glomming. A lot of stuff together but the thing that holds up and I think the thing that does especially well are the characters in their performances. I mean the problem with incredible. Hope this mishmash of alchemy is also that I don't think the characters and the performances were there enough because the characters weren't have enough of a personality. Meanwhile you really. We knew already J. Right like we knew pepper but I will say pepperpot. Mvp For this movie for me like we give goop a lot. You know a lot of backlash for her rightfully so in real life crazy or today but as an actress. She's great the way she's like freaking out a speedway seeing the way she's freaking out the end. I think she does such a great job. And Gwyneth paltrow definitely given. Mvp Credit for this movie. Even though it's a movie with a Great Mickey Rourke and a Great Sam Rockwell. Her all the way that said you also get black widow introduction to the character that really hits exactly who that character is throughout this movie and we kind of glossed over. But this is the first nick fury really like before he was there for a hot second but this is the first time Samuel Jackson. Playing that character plays that character perfectly. Like brabin actually was watching it and she's like Oh yeah. It didn't even occur to me that this first time really doing it. Because I'm just so used to being like net nick fury. But he was nick theory out the gate in a great way personality delivery attitude. Everything was there for that character and I commend that I also. I really can't blame him for wanting to be contract and having more screen time because a last course get to the last man but not even that the last passionate franchise that man did that he heard about star wars. He loved Star Wars that he got cast in this role he got screwed in such a bad ways. Like can't blame them for being a fan comics still alive alive. You don't see the body Dizzy PLA I mean I would watch the hell out of Like Brussel hands is such a base. Do Fan but rustling feathers but like it is crazy that or it's not crazy that he wanted a better approach for this character because they know Jackson's famously comic books happen loans is the best hours worst. Are You Russell Hands? Also by the way I do have a comment to throw out there because everything that Mickey was doing he showed up and he had that toothpick and I was like. Who's he wendell like? What is happening here? Yeah that's the new winners at it but it didn't out for whiplash. Unfortunately he's ahead of his time was out of a window. God Wendell's like I like that and he fully co-signed on the nick fury of it. All A SCARLETT JOHANSSON AS NATALIE. Rush men AK Natasha Romanov Aka. Black widow was very nearly not natalie. Rush Maneka Natasha Romanov AK black widow. Do you know this way. I remember this very well so I am too. I think I maybe have a little bit of like a softer spot in my heart for ironman too because at United talked about how the MC you is sort of like our adult star wars like this. The movies started as you and I were like at the outset of our careers so young adults just out of college and now these movies are happening and they'd like to find my adulthood which is a totally different experience than something like Star Wars which defines your childhood for US anyway And not even the cool ones unfortunately unfortunately the prequels but I was I was. I was working as a freelance writer. At this point in time two years beyond our days together Wizard magazine Kevin and at this point in time I am a writer for MTV splash page. Which is the Superhero movie blog? Where it was the superhero movies. Were such boom now after iron man and after Dark Knight and everything like that that it was all superhero. All the time and there was like a full vertical created for it over an MTV news. And I was one of Tho- the lead writers over there and so I was covering iron man to very aggressively like anytime. There was a casting announcement ironically enough for me. Anyway ultimately a typically unlike the Hollywood reporter it'd be linking out to them all the time there was this big song and dance about casting in the MC you like. Who's going to be or WHO's going to be Steve. Rogers who are these people going to be and for black widow? It was fairly set in stone for a while. I think that it was gonNA be Emily. Blunt was going to be black widow and then she had to withdraw because of her pre existing conflict with the twenty ten movie co first travels. Jack lack one to bring it back to a survivor reference. Yeah Jack Right that. I don't want to talk about that survivor. Sophie Clarke judging this news very harshly soapies reaction though is so perfect just has obviously done totally fine in her life in in a very good way and it's not impossible that we will someday talk about Emily Blunt as somebody in the MC you shall we just be like Super Cool and join the bandwagon and caller shot here. Is We're recording in April twenty. Twenty April Twenty Second Twenty Twenty S. We're recording this. Yeah obviously I'M WE BLUNT. Krinsky are going to be invisible woman and mister fantastic. Like that's absolutely what's going to happen? It should be and it's actually really fascinating interesting because John Krasinski was also marry. Yeah cats in America's okay magin rewards test. He he was right there he was right there and then it fell apart in Chris Evans came in. And we'll talk about that in a couple of weeks. Yeah we'll talk about it in a couple of weeks have been great to see. It would've been interesting. We would've got that ahead of time that said if we lost out on that so we could get we blend in John Kuczynski as Rian Sue. I mean worth worth it. In my opinion I think that would on that hard to imagine. Black widow has anybody other than Scarlett Johansson who has already very famous person at the time in is like a good get here but like this is a star making turn for her. This is going to lead her to a bunch of like these big action roles that she has a lot of the Oscar buzzy success that she has beyond this as well some of the unsavory thing I was gonna say she also say a real dumb stuff in real life but just as we're GONNA hold that against Goop for purposes of the character and the aggregating she's great. We can graders that character. Get INTO THAT OFF. Line as much as you'd like hit us up on that it's hard to think of that character without Scarlett Johansson and yet like I. I think it's because like she is really treated very much as I can be here. She's just sort of like she's talked about as a sexual harassment lawsuit in making by by peppered. Tony the way that Tony is treating her. You're looking back on this ten years down the line in our modern moment. A lot of this does not play very well. I don't know how great played even at the time. What's your take on going back and revisiting? The black widow origin story is sadly still many months away. Even though as we're recording this it should just be like a couple of weeks away. But this is the first black widow citing in the and she's going to go on to be a foundational player. I mean it's it is. It is awkward and weird and you know problematic. I mean like you said Tony. Stark is a problematic character in terms of his womanizing for sure. It is a bad trait of his for absolately. I do think though to an extent it does establish what that character is capable of in terms of using that part of her to her advantage. I mean we see it in avengers when she's you know pretending to be this weak willed person against Loki when they're conversing and she's just like I it you gave me what exactly I need to know so I think in a similar circumstance for us is that to her advantage in terms of engraving ourselves. Finding out information she needs. You know infiltrating you know she basically type person. Tony Stark is and use that to her advantage to accomplish a goal she wanted to do. Tony comes off looking bad. When she comes off looking like she needs to be a black widow so that aspect. I think does still work. You know we're not. It's hard because I think people look at Tony Moment and are still like. Yeah Tony Stark. As opposed to like probably not great I mean we read it though right and he has to. I think character growth is important. That includes bad traits. Like I think Tony becoming a better person. Even in that regard is important and I think too that he does. This goes on so I think it works in black widow. She has great moments in this her flipping happy Hogan over immediately. Her favorite move by the way she does that. Move all the time. They'll like the leg flip. She doesn't the person who enjoys subduing somebody by choking them out with their legs. More than Jack Bauer. Who also loves this move quite a bit yes? Zana on atop from. That's right that's right. Jensen Big Fan of hers by the Russians. Yeah right what it is and Jack Lower but I get Jack Bauer. He lives in Russia now rested them as always arrested in the not arrested. Keeper wants to do it again. That's where he is. But yeah it's it's it's yeah. I think it works well another thing though I have to say is we did jump over it but I gotta point out this line before I forget again but roadies introduction with Don cheadle of what is the quote. I wrote it down here. But he's essentially just like me. I'm here to move on great like just gloss over of that recasting and I thought was really really smart and really funny so I had to call that out before forgot it because I remembered road and I was like. Oh that's another character introduction where there was surprise right that it's got throw his really funny guy. Even if Kevin Garvey didn't necessarily portray that often enough on on the leftovers he's a very funny. Guy Tropic Thunder Barrow and already Jay had already kind of cleared this lane. Shane black once again consulting with these guys he really is like the natural successor for iron man. Three it really just kind of in a lot of ways come full circle with him taking the helm but like Don cheadle is a very funny actor. The whole Senator. Stern's stuff with Gary Sham. The lay shandling rest in peace. Hail Hydra that whole scene is really good. Thank me I have successfully privatized world. Everyone like going nuts and bleeping out at you buddy esther stark. Great Wrecking Tony. At the end. When he's awarding him is it's interesting. How much damage a little prick and do Yup It's a very funny movie. It's a great movie and we're seeing though the change right because iron one had moments but it did. Have I think the the beat of moments that we get in this hulk had very few? I think this is really now. We're starting to see what the mcat is going to become with these lighthearted moments and these these kind of fun aspects of the series of films that really shines through in Ironman too disjointed. Because there's a lot of dramatic stuff because he's also dying and you have the the FO demon in a bottle storyline which we gotta talk about that at some point but you get it you get those comedy beats and they work really well because again we've chemistry of the cast and we get that play like even something as simple as like Natasha taken all these guards than happy taking one being like God of like scrape. Those Romans are really fun and really great I think bring bring the right amount of Lebanon. Lebanese films set some setpiece stuff. So we talk about the end fight. Do you WANNA say anything more about the Monaco race. Because you really love that and I it just just looked cool like even. The stark racing uniform is really cool. Start racing uniform is really cool and I take. Your work is able to get that gear past security. How did he not get the hailed by Mel Detectors? I mean I don't know this is like Oh okay. You're really bulking out there. Well he's a mechanic for right like say this. I don't want to judge like your body shape. This brick and weird man like but Elon. Musk gave it to them. We saw was there this special technology that I wanNA talk about you. So you know he. He got in there yes shirts. We're but that's like one of those things we allow for villain movies villains movies all the time but like the action two speedways. Great again it takes. It takes advantage of the set pieces to create a dynamic fights in that really fit. And honestly that's my shot of the movie is is whiplash walking down the burning off at him. Walking on the speedway as cars go by. I think I called it the trailer money shot and it is. It's the one they had in the trailer and I just liked the visuals of it. I love the briefcase suit. That's really cool. I mean the movie is still rocking at this point. It's Super Fun. You have an amazing action sequence where he fights him and it lasts longer than the last two seconds. We see at the end the end fight. You have pepper being great. You have him splitting apart that Limo case armor I remember at the time it was like. Oh Shit suitcase or from the comic book it is. This is what you can do with. Ironman which pod. It's great and I think all that works so well so that's why like that. Scene For me is a stand out of this film and I think it was done really really well. Unfortunately you also follow that up with an anticlimactic at the end but in terms of action pieces. Yeah those are the two good ones or not even good. That's a good one. Then you have the okay one at the end. Then you have the one in the middle with. Yeah so talk me. It's like this is the point where Tony it's his birthday and like he's got paladium poisoning he's going to have to concoct a new element in order to cure is that they don't say but that's vibration neom right vibration at Amancio him that he invents. It's crazy that they never really talk about that. I feel like maybe someone will correct me but like no way because vibe radium already. A big deal in Kanda and everything. It is but we didn't have access to it. So if Howard. Stark new vibrating existed. But he could. He knew that he couldn't make cap. She'll out of Iranian because they didn't have enough of it and he wanted to recreate it to make cap she'll eventually he would have the element he would be able to break it down but he can't make it so. I could see that being them trying to create a version honestly. It could be great if it's like. They tried to replicate by radium. They can't because what Kanda has. And you just can't replicate it and now that's a Mansi them and actually anthem into this interesting feature. Black Panther story line a con contributions of vibration technology or rejected because Justin Hammer. Who has since been bailed has figured out a way to develop by brain because he has stolen Tony's methodology from ironman too. What a way to bring back Justin Hammer though bring back Justin Hammer. Come and says he's being taken away so you haven't seen the last semi it's like well so far. Yeah we have this visit he ran. There's a great youtuber. I really like called Nando. V movies who does a lot of breakdowns of Superhero films? I really liked that guy stuff. I think he's very smart and very clever writer. He actually does. He does these rewrites and he did a rewrite of Justice League. That is so goddamn good. It's insane I did like God. Damn I wish again. What's his name Nando and A. N. D. O. V. Movies? And he does. He's doing or he did. And I'm so the defenders where Justin Hammer is a big part of that and they think oh he wanted to bring hammer back and I think the way he does it in defenders as clever but yeah he should come back and I think he can be brought in interesting ways. I think the Tony Gone and like now that there's like a vacuum and we got to see a little bit of that and far from home. The attempt that with with Jake Joan Hall as I think it there could be still stories about iron man's legacy and like a great friend of mine very recently on. Apoe show recaps podcasts. Said nature abhors a vacuum. So they're going to try. Fill the void there. And could you see? Could you see like Justin Hammer taking on like the Norman Osborn role from some of the comic books where he was Iron Patriot right? I know that we already do iron patriot. To a certain extent in iron man three but can you imagine Sam Rockwell in an iron man suit painted in red blue and white and trying to make his mark on the world. That way. I just there's a lot of possibilities to San Rockwell's obviously the man Justin Hammer's very thinly written but like richly portrayed because Sam Rockwell's just very funny and having a graph that whole thing is like the Cuban that they and the fact that the thing doesn't work at the the wife is just tremendous. I can imagine that especially with that. Iron Patriot armored then just starts dancing in very very unique. Look good miserable. That gets us back on. Yes with another sequence and other set piece I know we wanted to talk about which is and I agree with you and I think I texted this the other day when I was watching it. Ironman to bopping. It's bond. There was some stuff that feels a little dated. It's great at least he's not using the flip flow phone really like a little bit of advancement of technology and like things are cooling. Things are fun and then Tony. Who's dying wants to have the best birthday party. Ever and so he gets wasted and throws a huge party in his ironman suit and Rhody comes over and he's like enough and he goes out stairs. Fulfils the terrance our destiny. The prophecy is fulfilled into the mark to armor and another one bites. The dust is just bumping as iron man vs machine Iran. Even names of Mike. You want to be the warm machine man. No movie you're great. You're losing me Josh. We don't like joy is it that we don't like fun things or is this just not that fun. It's not that fun. I mean there's a couple of things that are wrong in this scene. I think one thing that does make sense is Tony's destructive self behavior. He's a narcissist. He's an ego driven dude. Who found that? He's dying so of course as lashing out. It's going to be completely selfish and you know not really paying attention. Caring about other people and causes destruction. That part makes sense. I wish they had built it up just a little bit more especially because they were trying to mimic demon in a bottle which is arguably Thomas. Experts famous story ARC because in comics was an alcoholic and this leads him down a spiral so they're trying to mimic that happening. But then you have this fight where it's just in his house. Everything's being broken. People are all around and they're just using objects that like it's the setpiece done wrong. It's the opposite of the speedway it's the opposite of using the set piece too much. I think and it just doesn't work and it wasn't even that they were fighting to another one bites the does. If I'm not mistaken they were fighting. It takes two. Which Ho boy does not work? I mean that's become a thing as we have discussed a lot about using music unnatural music and fight sequences but help enhance it. We see that too successful degree and then we see that too sometimes trying to make it to fault t degree. There's one show but I know I know exactly. You know what I'm talking to talk about it. Yeah that's fine WANNA. Yuck anybody's young 'cause I know people like I don't WanNa Yuck anyone's the umbrella yeah. People people love it but this doesn't work. The music doesn't fit. It's not right that the scene is very odd. It's not paste well and you just have these this thing where these two people fight each other to the point where it just doesn't work or make sense even because it's like when here's fight heroes. It rarely can actually make sense. It's a hard thing to pull off and to have two people like this fighting each other is also just so dumb and immature and you're just like what am I watching. Why is this happening? There's no this no amusement or fun to it. There's no like tension really in this moment so it was a very problematic. Silly nonsensical seen. That just doesn't work and it sucks because that's the that's pretty much the mid point of the film when things start turning around for Tony in a bad way you know. He's at his lowest low. And then you do get some good stuff does feel. It is forced right you. That's when the shield stuff comes in but those scenes at least I thought picked back up your your at this point where you're just like God. Damn these two characters right now in. This fight is so Blah underusing smashing Asana and they blow up like what is what is happening but then you have no fury show up. You Have Natasha. Being just like I'm the widow. Hello you have Colson. Showing up you have these great catches and dynamic moments and character interactions. I do think pull it all back up. You didn't get some real weirdness about the like. Hey here's a new element with his Disney Dad. Funny he about A Tony Stark. Making a new element if we're not also going to be mad about him like creating vision and I'm the MC you ends up getting like mega comic bookies. So he's just GonNa make an element like is it almost like it's it's not like comic bookie enough that he's making a new element that he's making a new element in his basement. I think we weren't ready for it. I think I think honestly now it works fine like it's the thing we were like. Yeah all right but like we haven't had rocket rocket raccoon grew yet so our viewers. We ready for something like that. I mean it's it's the least like one of the lease agreements things of that movie. It is weird again. I feel like it's a plot point that happens and I'm like Because like dude he invents time machine later on and it's totally like married like you know. We got to accept the fact that he invented the time machine in endgame while he's in a cabin find with the dawn fine with that and ultimately. I'm fine with this element making aspect. I just wish if you're GONNA make an element it's got up into something that's got to meet that needs to combat. That's where that adamantine or something used to come into effect with this moment because it's such like a holy crap moment he invent something incredible but then we never talk about it now. Incredible last week wasn't incredible was at though. Let's dig into some feedback and that'll help guide us through the rest of this and then if there's anything we feel like we've we've left on the floor. I know this is a little more scatter brained than than we've done in the past actually like this. I think it's fun to kind of just like Cherry. Pick around these movies so this may be the way certainly the way of it today. Let's do some community refuse some reviews from the listeners of iron man to in let's start with with Edwin who wrote in and said hot take but I liked Ironman to more than I amen. That take is scalding hot. It's hot take but there are ways in which like I think some of the highs of iron man to are higher than the highs of Ironman one that's crews are much lower. Exactly I think were on more of a rollercoaster. An Iron I inconsistent quality. Yes and to get real high and then some another one bites the dust Daniels. Strong professors strunk. The movie is entertaining in its individual. Bits and pieces but I think it failed to combine into a compelling cohesive. All my two cents is that it tried to do too much. Think of all the different storylines one. There's Tony's blood toxicity problem to their shield assessing Tony for the avengers three. There's Tony's romantic storyline with pepper. Or there's Tony's daddy issues by the US. Government is trying to take. Tony's suits six. Justin Hammer Hates Tony. Stark and seven whiplash. It's just too much very wise words from professor strunk. I think that is indeed the assessment but the entertaining and it's individual bits and pieces the piece that I keep coming back to our Mike. It's more entertaining in its individual bits and pieces than I remember it is. The pieces are very entertaining which we even skipped over the fact that it's now cash John slattery as as as Howard stark who does just the greatest Disney impression that the expo video. I'm like Oh my God. It's Disney like literally shot for shot posters on the wall and everything. I thought that was very amusing. Especially since they weren't bought by Disney at all right. So let's let's keep digging in from west making you keep bringing this up. Kevin. So let's talk about it a little bit more. West writes in. I'M GONNA assume that they're trying to evoke the demon in a bottle storyline from the comics. Urine Ironman too and that were supposed to sympathize with Tony because he's dying from paladium poisoning but I still felt like it was like having to deal with wine Harry Potter from the Half Blood Prince again in the book almost willing to root for Volvo Morton stark was bringing those feelings back here but all of this character building in quotes results in a movie. Where the bulk of the action the Third Act and we come to superhero movies for action. So do me a solid in the listeners. A solid what is demon in a bottle because I think up until now and maybe even still now this could be his most iconic comic book arc but up to this moment this is the most popular ironman story. Is this story demon in a bottle? And what are the ways in which you see it echoing throughout ironman too so deepening a bottle and you know people are GonNa come at me forgetting parts wrong here. But it's been a long time since I've read this comic from the seventies or eighties but basically you know Tony. Stark has always been an ego egotistical. He's also an alcoholic and this is his spiral of alcoholism going really really really bad to the point that it leads to very very destructive behavior and he ultimately loses. He's no longer ironman but he ended the series. You have James Rhodes. Basically I believe taking over the role. So it's this self destructive behavior through alcoholism that gets reflected in a very very dark way but a very real way a lot of this experience. that story. I think handled the product. Alcoholism really well in my memory. It's alcoholism is a very emotional. Touchy thing for a lot of people as you idea what you're talking to. Yeah coming you know from my I have experienced with that for my family It's rough and I think the storyline tackled it in a way that felt more real which I appreciated but ultimately it is about Tony. Stark spiral and destructive behavior. And doing some really stupid dangerous things that lead to him no longer being iron man and we kind of sword. See that a little bit here. I you know the self destructive thing to feel sorry for him. Yes but I agree that you kind of. It's hard to feel for him because of his behavior but there was a realism there. Maybe again. Because it's me 'cause I'm also have an ego that I saw the spiral that kind of get it. I grown a lot since I was that bad. I think in terms of my ego and self destruction but I got it now that all said. I think you're actually thinking of order of the Phoenix and not half blood prince when you make that order. The Phoenix is the one where hairy actually literally going through puberty. Having a lot more emotions and a lot more emotional I read. He was very annoying in that book. Because I was older but I I went through that. We all went through that phase rate. Okay are just GonNa just GonNa hit that. Carry on on twitter. Hit ME UP AS SOMEBODY WHO Is about a year in four ish months five months removed from his last drink. I would be very compelled to have seen demon in a bottle. Storyline adapted will on a big screen to see like a big budget superhero movie taking on alcoholism normalizing that like there are a lot of people that can't do it or can't do it well or for whatever reasons it's just not the right fit whether it's genetic or learned behavior. I think iron man to being the third movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe with all of. Its trying to happen here in this movie. I'm so glad they didn't try to demand a bottle they would they would they would they would. They would have really done a terrible job moralizing and it. Just it just wouldn't have been good. I think the the Marvel Studios of today should they choose to do something like that like Disney show or something like that? I think that they could tell mature nuanced version of that story. Maybe maybe maybe and like it might be too adult honestly. I can't see the MAS day that it needs to be that it's too adult especially like young people start doing stupid stuff when they're really young. Oh absolutely it can't hurt to like you know. Tell a really good story about wake. Did you have fun. But because like you know like like also like some of this stuff is very prickly and like there are there are things about it that go well beyond something as simple as have fun. Don't be stupid you know. It's it's very very very deep water and I think it would be. It'd be great if done well but it's so easy to do poorly and I'm really glad that they didn't try to do it here on our man. I'm open to them trying to do something like that in a future marvel movie but only if they've got a killer idea an killer way of presenting it and a killer team to back it up and I just don't know that the juice is worth the squeeze on something like this. What's keep going a couple of different takes on Tony from this from this movie? This from Kyle says I think the film's major problem. Is that Tony? Self-destruction isn't self inflicted. If he's the most upstanding guy in the world he would still be dying just a little bit slower so when he makes a magic triangle. There isn't any actual character growth. That's the take from. Kyle jared offers an alternate take. Jared says I think Cardi Jay kills it here. You might be even better than the first movie. I really like how his life flashing before his eyes affects them. And I think it's interesting to reconsider in light of end game. I think I'm more aligned with jared. I think that I actually think that like I prefer Ironman one because it of its historical value. And I think it's it's it's on. It's a more stable movie but I definitely think that Robert Downey junior is a lot more confident here and ironman too then. He is an Ironman one. I think at this point like he's he's bringing that energy that he brings to the stark expo. He's definitely bringing the energy buddy. It's me well he had he. Had you know who he saw the success that they saw that at work they were nervous? The first time it'd be like is this GonNa work. Is this character. GonNa we're GONNA pull it off and they did so he. Of course he feels a little more confident in this role now and I think that makes total sense. But that doesn't you know the self inflicting I think is a valid point on that end of it that the character He doesn't he. It's hard to say. He saw his life flash before his eyes necessarily too much because he also experienced that already right like the life that flash before his eyes when he was in. The cave is the same life. He's technically seeing now. Except now he's also ironman. So if anything is life is on the upswing and maybe if we saw more of that idea where it's just like I'm dying before I actually really fulfil the greatness. I think I can accomplish. Then that could have pulled off but instead we you know see more of the destructive behavior. 'cause he's dying. The Self Infliction Part is interesting because that is even in the bottle right like there's reasons to it that obviously deeper than like you should stop drinking. But I think there's a depth there that is lost in translation by making it just you just paladium poisoning. Let's bad guys stuff. We've cut from Christina. Be Poor Mickey Rourke. This character just does not have a lot to him and you can see. He's really trying his best to bring something more west make. It has a similar take on Justin. Hammer says I like. San Rocco is a very good actor. He might have even made a decent justin hammer but it really filled the direction they took the character with was horrifically bad. I get it. He's Mirror universe. Tony but hammer should be a kingpin. Lex Luther Villain we know is the bad guy but keeps enough plausible deniability to get away with it. What's your take on that? Take on Justin Hammer. My take is basically like we kinda have kingpin and we kind of have a lex luther like I think if they did that it would come off a little more to cliche unfortunately because those characters kind of exists in have this public sphere mindset. I don't dislike direction. They're going with Justin Hammer. I just didn't really again hit. The Pappas needless character enough to make him super interesting but yet they could have done the lex luther thing but yeah that's my main thing is if they did that. It's kind of like well. We have is kingpin. You know like kingpin is sort of that role that was filled so they have justin hammer do it. I don't think we'll work as well. Interestingly Benefits Patrick had written in the Great Brennan Fitzpatrick who is doing a bang-up job collecting all of this behind the scenes stuff and feedback for us. Here on everything is Super Brennan. Wrote to the movie even really need whiplash. It could've just been hammer time. The whole way and I think the movie would be better for it. And The aforementioned Christina Be Kevin Mentions the after mentioned Novi Movies where Christina but I wish that they would bring Justin Hammer back he's a villain rockwell. Kills it in the role? Hopefully they do dark avengers. And he's a part of it. I watched this youtube video. From Nando v Movies has slightly which he has a slightly different vision for the movie with Justin Hammer as the big bad and I have to say on paper. It sounds like better storytelling. So I have not checked. This Abba Christina has a link to that man of the movies since we shattered about so much we will put that in our show notes for sure but what do you think about a version of this where Justin Hammer is the solo. Bad Guy. Does that make the movie a little cleaner if you take whiplash out but if you take him out then you get rid of the Monaco. Seen so like feels like maybe. I don't know I don't know how you balance all of that you joan. I mean that's the problem right like I think you lose the Monaco scene. Which sucks unless he sends a robot out there that that that can accomplish that fight which is possible. I think you could have ended up with a better movie. If you picked one villain and focused in that way you could have developed pathos better. I think Justin Hammer would have been really interesting because I think you could have done a lot more with him than we got to do it. overnight stain but it would have been a similar path and that's probably why they wanted to avoid it and instead they just split the difference weight and then in a suit odiaum gained but I would have liked to seen. I think it could have worked out better. Yeah if they had picked one or at least on a better job of CO heating or making the villains cohesive all right. Let's keep pushing through Savan. Johnson ask does roadies recasting. Make the hulks recasting more acceptable. Yes Don cheadle a game. Changer Kevin in that with us. Just like buying into Don cheadle is Roti. We're going to be totally comfortable buying in to Mr Ruffolo stepping in for Mr Norton. I think yes but I think this thing only works characters and movies that we didn't really care about as much right in the first movie like we got a little bit of turns Howard but Rhody was established established yet. So they're able to pull it off with the people in Iraq and carbohydrate that much so recasting with Mark Ruffalo all right but if they did that can you imagine part way through it as being like well. It's no longer Chris Evans. Now it's this other dude. We would've been like what would have been way worse. It would have been harder but I think he does allow for recasting of certain characters for sure these Brian Lamond. With some love for Natalie Rush mccade Tie Romanoff Aka black widow. Brian says my personal. Mvp from this movie is black. F. And widow makes me super psyched to see the long long overdue black widow solo film. I watched with my husband. Will we both love the pipe? Cash Shadow to will and I have to give him credit for this. Take but the introduction of black widow is the best introduction of any character in terms of showing exactly what she can do and how cool she can be. I totally agree. Loved that Hallway fight scene except for her terrible wig. That's from that's from Brian. I'm going to take the opportunity as well to throw in my the robin comment from this week. This is basically as as you said many times a lot of her comments about black widows hair and like she actually was there was a moment. We were both shocked because black widows here when she showed up as Natalie. Richmond was fine like actually look good decent a. I don't want to speak for her in that regard but she was very much like wait. I thought this was a different hair. And then when the fight habits is like there it is and like her basic comment to is like. Why would she loosener hair to go into a fight especially when it looks like that? It's not the same down in loser. She has black widow. She had his natalie from legal. She has these intense gelled up curls and ringlets it's like she's going to homecoming in two thousand four and which I think is very valid comment. And Yeah it's just a weird look for that character but in terms of like the introduction. I can see that it's exactly as I said earlier right. Like what interests of the character? You kind of get everything that. She's about throughout this movie in her abilities. And her skill set if it's the best introduction of a character I don't know yet I'll have to re re going through. I mean I think we learned a lot about Steve Rogers and the first like ten seconds of that of that film about exactly what type of person he is and similarly to Tony Stark. I mean we kinda get exactly. Tony Stark is in the beginning of the movie personality. But as far as a superhero and what they can do yes. I think this is pretty up there for that. This is from Lawson who says can we talk about how hard Howard stark is totally? Just Roger Sterling A. I don't understand what that means or you not a madman. No I I forgot. I tried watching that show. I couldn't do it guys. I'm so sad John. Slattery please Roger Sterling on madman great character and I don't know that we don't necessarily that Howard stark in destroying the exact same Guy Johnson. John slattery does this swagger him. He's great we'll have laughed when we get to Captain America and a couple of weeks. Who is the Better Howard? Stark John? Slattery Dominic Cooper. The crazy thing is imagining a world. In which Dominic Cooper grows up to be John slattery like just doesn't accept it doesn't make a ton of sense. How about this? How about in terms of things that people who grow into into unexpected new new entities with new powers professor strunk strikes again and says retroactively? Tom Holland and Kevin Foggy have confirmed that the little boy in the IRONMAN mask almost gets taken out by a drone knows her. Get them out of here. He dropped three. He dropped three. That's fine. It's really funny because when that Seen Happen. I wrote down on my notebook. Where's that kids parents? I guess. Now I know but how come on the Marne start thing I'll give and it'd be like okay. That's really funny. I liked that. This is just really great. Why is this a problem? Tony Stark more. It helps explain why he's such a hero to. Here's the thing. Do we need that. That's my argument Spiderman. What fun it's I don't know there's a lot I love about the Tom Holland Spiderman stuff and I like legit love love and high rankings but I think connecting Tony. Stark deeply to that character isn't the right way that character's motivations and stuff. I think it's very very different you know. I think the Detroit has to be because if that happened. If he's stark if he's all what a hero is and all that stuff he would go. Bedouin have died in the way he did like. I feel like there's just so much there that could alter the course of that character's personality and direction but sure okay. What a fun hater on hater. And I'm I am in support of this. Little boy with the iron man mask standing up to the drone with his hand held out because he's a hero deep in his heart and some day. Shalva come Peter. Parker Spiderman grinned. Cheer Grinch Stan Johnson says is this movie of order in. I believe Ironman too takes place before the hulk. I guess a couple of people pointed this out to us that. There's a comic book tie in that clears up the continuity regarding the Tony Stark Stinger from incredible hulk. There's always a convict. I feel like to clear up these take place after could make a lot more sense honestly. Professors strunk the Tim Blake Nelson here of our of our Superhero podcast. Which is a huge compliment. Strunk sums it up for us a little bit. It's also apparently retroactively explained in a marvel one shot the post credits scene. He says the one shot explains that Tony Stark Aka. The consultant was sent by shield to meet with thaddeus. Ross tried to recruit the abomination for the avengers team in reality shield was using stark shield. Wanted to make sure that the abomination stayed locked up in new. That Tony Stark would annoy. Ross so much that it would encourage Ross to keep the nation locked up important takeaway here. Is that the incredible hulk. Post credit scene takes place after iron man to chronologically because remember how at the environment to Nick? Fury discusses how they would like to have Tony Stark in a consultant role. Why would I mean I guess I guess that's that that can work it? It's just weird to think. Well they sent him to recruit the combination because they knew that it would keep the abomination locked up. I guess it's still a bit weird. I think their their hand waving on that one. But sure why? Not and then finally from Lawson Campbell. Can WE GIVE BONUS POINT? Villain bonus points to Senator Stearns. No we cannot. He can't in your heart won't for the purposes of this podcast Hail Hydra Ostra. Let's into our infinity stone rankings. Kevin the way this works is we're going to be ranking the movies along the way the villains along the way the post credits scene along the way I give score. Kevin gives us scored the audience rights into super at push recaps dot com with their scores from a scale of zero to six infinity stones. We round up the average audience score as a third data point. We average that with my score with Kevin scoring that gives us our official score here for everything is super movie rankings. Let's start there so here at the polls that we're working with so far at the top we've got iron man. I'm talking about my own personal polls. You can speak to yours Kevin. I have iron man at the top right now with five six infinity stones which I know is a full stone further than you would like Kevin and so. I've got the incredible hulk as low as a one point five because it really just doesn't fit ironman too was once upon a time in my mind worse than the incredible hulk. But it's definitely not so it's definitely higher than one point five for me and there is a lot that I think it whiffs on but there's a lot that just kind of like works in spite of itself so I think I wanNA set ironman too as like a mid point in the rankings. For me that I think he got a clear an iron man to threshold. Because I think that this is my theory of. Mci is that by and large. These movies are great by and large. These movies are very very good when they're average that's like pretty close to being the worst that these movies get. So let's test that ironman too is GonNa get a solid three from me. I'm going to give it three out of six infinity stones. This is dead set in the middle where fifty percent of the way there and I think that most movies will end clearing that and then I'll be very surprised when they don't So ironman too is going to rest right there at that fifty yard line again. I don't know if it's like fifty yard line as that makes sense. It's good if you did go on that one. Is that right so middle okay. Great so there it is at the fifty yard line. I was right all along is going to get a three from me. I obviously I was a little bit not as generous. I guess to say but like Ironman went definitely still at the top for me It's out of four. Which I think is my own very fair assessment of that bill again considering the broader context of every other film that I know exists out there for this in the incredible hulk was a two right like in my mind mainly because I'm pretty sure there's a movie that's lower if it's not congratulations to that film but we shall see and in a similar way. I didn't want I wasn't going to go for three for this because I feel like there's other movies that will sit in the middle a little bit better for right now. Ironman too is a good mid ground. But I think there's so many other movies that are still better than Ironman to that. Still Fall in the middle for me about. What's the common because of that? I did give the movie a two point five. It's not that far off from your three but for me. I think it just works a little bit better so we have iron metaphor iron meant to two point five and incredible hulk at a two and maybe I might change that incredible hulk suitable one point. Five later we'll see so the audience score for Iron Man. Two is even higher than mine but barely three point. One is the listener. Average goes as low as a one C even a one and a half score. And I don't think it breaks into the fives. It doesn't no one no one gave it pacify but there's a few scores in the fours there and I think that a lot of people were kind of just surprised by ironman reevaluation of it. So with my three with Kevin's two and a half with the audience is three point one. We land at two point. Eight seven for Ironman too as it stands the rankings as they stand iron man with comfortable lead at four point five nine big gap than Ironman too in second with two point eight seven and Z. Incredible Hulk still bringing up the rear of one point nine three. Let's evaluate some villains. I gave a three Kevin. That was precedent that I set. We did because we really liked enough. The Jeff Bridges Portrayal Beker in for that exact same reason. I'm just GONNA dump threes on Justin Hammer whiplash because I row. I really really love Sam Rockwell. And this and I'm so surprised by how much more I enjoyed. Mickey work in this than I remembered and I really think that if whiplash really screws up at the that's it like he really blows at the end he decides to get into a suit of armor that he's probably never flown around before he goes up against Tony Stark. Who's been in that armor for a little while at this point and Rhody who is trained soldier and he gets a NI- late in five seconds to the point. Kevin where like I was watching it. Emily walked in the room to talk to me about something and I turned to look at her and address like whatever it was we needed to talk about and then when I turned back to the movie whiplash dead. It just happened. That fast rewind I was like Oh God he dies that quick So that's why he can't go any further than three but my enjoyment of whiplash of Mickey Rourke with the bird want my bird my shirt. I want my bird such thorough enjoyment that I get out of that character now to Sam Rockwell. That GonNa hit them. Both of the three. I like them both so much. I mean I you know I. I gave staying three based on like I did like Jeff Bridges but I also caveat with trying to pull away as much as possible from that portrayal right because like I tried to look at it as the villain itself and in a weird like well. He's set the precedent way. He like he did that. Villainy and his motivations were there and then you have now just hammering whiplash who are just each each basically like half of what over. Dystopian was so as villains as much as I liked the performances. I could not give that that high. I felt that over diocese had more because he was a whole villain with those things versus just split in two now so whiplash as much as I love love. Love Mickey Works Intermission at character. I gave it a one point five because I like the character wasn't there the death of the character wasn't there enough and Justin Hammer. I did give too because I do. Think he'll potential and really he got an extra point five because again. Same Rockwell's dancing. Audience is closer to me on Justin Hammer. Two point nine. They are really basically in the middle of us for whiplash two point three and so that puts us. This is these are the rings of the villains as it stands stain King of the Mountain. Three point seventeen right now robot stain. Justin Hammer following them at two point six five whiplash following Justin Hammer. Two Point two eight off three of them above a meal blonde ski what that and eat that one point. Six one for a meal blonde ski and a one point. Five one for Thunderbolt Ross. I feel like that rank is about to change next week. Pretty hard war. We'll find out Post credit scenes speaking of speaking the teas of thors Hammer. Which I've just going to give two point five better than the already J. Cameo Height building but I do remember at the time I could sound like a big surprise but it's just more like oh man. I very curious to see what they're gonNA do with Thor. Like how is going to fit into any of what they're doing here so I remember my my hype levels. Were not like off the charts in the same way that the nick fury scene is by any stretch of the imagination. So it's still pretty muted score and I think especially in the context of like other. Mci Post Credit Scenes. This has to be fairly low and this has to be below the fifty yard line Kevin and I even wonder if two point five is a little high but I'm just GONNA keep it there for now. You're doing well with a sports. Analogy is but depending on what direction you're facing below. The fifty yard line is actually going to be a good thing but anyway the offense underneath the fifty yard sales. And that's it so yeah you WanNa be going to forty thirty two thousand ten if you are the offense because you wanNA push towards the goal so if you're the defense you wanna be okay anyway. It's your goal got. Somebody's GONNA come back and we've actually what you wanted anyway. I'm not a sports expert guys. I barely know more than Josh here but ironman too. Yeah the thors Hammer. I remember being excited for about it. End like the excitement is still there. But it's not high you're right it's not super high. I think my biggest memory of the time and I think what I did like is that that scene. That's shot of thors Hammer. Crater is pulled up from the comics. I won't point until more modern version of the comics but this great moment where like thors hammer had landed and people are just like in a line like a giant language. We kinda see INTHORP from that mistake. And I'm trying to lift that Hammer. No one being able to and it's just fun thing of people trying to do until until the shows up in the comics. He has an alter ego named on a blake. And some other thing. But I like the shot because it was like Oh comic book. But in retrospect it's as good to me as DJ showing up. It's like thors. Hammer is to level of RJ. Showing up in an incredible hulk so I ended up giving it a two which was the same ranking now that said it was exciting to to hear the lightning strike do distinctly remember one of my stories. I want to share about this about seeing that movie for the first time in theaters. That happened and there was a moment of quiet. And someone said it's four and I was just like like laughed because they weren't doing it to be obnoxious. They were like they really did like. Oh Man Thor because like data no I guess coming. We're we're more sometimes. You need to be reminded that you're more ingrained in this stuff than everyone else. So it was a genuine like excited. Happy mood from someone and I distinctly remember that. Yeah but it is going to be cool. A audience a significantly higher on this than us. Three point eight from the audience for thors Hammer. Which boosts this up? This is the second best post credit scene so far. Nick Fury. Still in the untouchable I think lead with five point nine. Six two point seven six for thors hammer. Two point seven for the already J. Cameo in the incredible Hulk Kevin you and I have been tracking some informal rankings on our own. Just you in Iowa having to reach some measure of consensus is saying the iron man to fight is the best final battle so far you disagree I did. I will concede to you if you concede to me the next time. I have a strong feeling on the final battle ranking I. I'll I'll I'll do that. I can do that and if it's going to be one that I'm really passionate about regret that but we'll keep switching it back and forth this rain. You have the power right now. Iran is clearing ironman too. I'll have the power next time and you will be in deep deep deep deep danger. The next time we do this. If you come after Black Panther there will be problems. I'm not saying one way or the other all right. So ironman best final battle iron man to see the best battle but for the informal rankings. The second best final battle and the incredible hulk is still bringing up the rear. And how about? Let's 'cause with our informal are informal stones Stanley's Stanley as Larry King here like I'd like kind of like the recurring gag is like he's someone either that or he's like confusing him he takes after he thinks he's Larry King. He's here because he just like them. So maybe in this world Stanley just dressed similar to the person. I thought like the blink. And you'll miss it. Quality of this was a little funnier than the Hugh Hefner gags. I'll take Larry King over. Hugh Hefner Buddy. Incredible Hulk still gets to hold the title here. Yeah I think we're in agreement. Incredible Hulk is definitely the best. So far and yeah I think the blinken you miss it it. It's just a little bit better than the focus on. You have that moment of like wait. What's because like when it happens in Ironman? You're just like played is he. Hugh Hefner is he. Just dress like you have ner confused like what's happening there is now just. GonNa like wait was that I think that works better. So yes. That's our that's our does our Stanley ranking us. All right that's going to do for Ironman too much more fun than anticipated which bodes very well for the future of this podcast especially as we are now going to start branching into some characters that are also MCI mainstays that we haven't had a chance to talk to in deeper detail even if it's not necessarily a phenomenal film. I'm really really excited to get into the story universe. Yes yes or talk about Loki. Talk About Hemsworth. Talk about hit Allston. Even get my my boy Tony hops. Get some Tony hops. In this in this mix is going to be fun. That's coming next week directed by Gilderoy Lockhart. No the connections are all there. It's all thorough. Recap that'd be dropping April. Twenty ninth is what we're shooting for again. We appreciate you bearing with us on the delay. Get your feedback for the podcast. In by April twenty-seventh at the latest you can email US super at post show recaps dot com or you can tweet at us at pusher recaps at Brown Howard at Kev Mahamadou again. Please subscribe your ratings and reviews right now so appreciate it as we are trying to build up this audience for more people to join us not just from the MC you re watch. We'd said we've promised through phase one who knows where we go beyond that Kevin. I seem to be having a great time right now until you start coming after some movies that I love and then which is fun heater about spider man. What is what's your problem anyway. We're having fine so far so we will keep doing this for the foreseeable future but we are promised to at least as one then. Let's see where we go beyond that and then if we hit the end of the there's still places that we could go. There's a lot of superhero movies and TV shows out there We had one one person had had written in Lawson had written in Kevin and said. Have you guys? I've been binging agents of shield during quarantine says Lawson have. Josh and Kevin kept up with the show what they consider doing some conversation about agents of shield. I HAVE NOT WATCHED. Asians live shields. No no I have not I know I just. I don't even know what it is. That is just not compelled me enough to want to watch it. I think the disconnect I guess from the major issue is is something folks. I don't think it's imminent. I think for our one hundred thousand dollar patrons. Maybe that's just because it's also twenty two episodes guys and that's too much these days for me too much twenty two episodes seasons. Show us the money. And we'll do the two year old recap and until that time. It's knows what the future holds but it's not not in the plans right now. I did enjoy the first season and a half that I saw shielded fell off and then it became way too much. Tv to to catch up on all right. Kevin you're on twitter at kept my hideo people can Howard. You see what you're working on. You know that you're trying to get some comics going. Nothing nothing major reports the aperture working on your things. I'm working on this stuff that you mentioned website and everything so I'm trying to get some stuff out there really trying to especially as important do some more things so yeah it can have day over any updates on that end. Kaba recommendations about the flash. I gave him some records on that. So hopefully he enjoys the ones that I suggested or recommendations to get people hyped. Four yes Aaron. A lot of the jason x rays and air and stuff is really great. I would even say you can go further back than that I think the The RAGNAROK storyline from way. Back when before you know of entrances assemble and stuff is really good stuff. I think that sets the the end of the of an Arrow for the door we knew ended there. And then that kind of rebooted which Michalski store which I thought was really good and possible future for the MC honestly an Afro Hairstyle. A little more of the modern stuff can be really great especially now we know is coming eleventh under. There's an arc like you said where which is nairn where Jane Foster becomes store so there's a lot of good stuff recently but I would actually suggest going a little further back. Hit that thor ragnarok storyline before avengers disassembled and then go into jam S. Thor stuff I think is really solid. All right there's your or homework from Kevin. Re if you read any of that stuff and you've got any questions for Kevin read on the podcast. We can certainly do that. You can also just hit him up on the twitter machines at Cath Madeo. I'm at round Howard. There's so much happening on. Post show recaps rate now. West road is getting close to the end of the line. Better Call Saul has reached the end of the line. But there's still some podcasting to be done there with Myself Antonio Massaro and Rob Setzer. Nino is going to be joining us for feedback. Show killing Eve podcasting. Going on loss down the hatch is happening as well. Plus some bonus sporadic final fantasy seven remake coverage Kevin. I know you're playing seven remake. How's that going? No SPOILERS GREAT. Spoilers crash through a roof is what I'll say. Okay I got it. I know where you're adding. I'll talk off line because it's a pretty cool thing that's about to happen for you and it's a pretty cool thing that's going to happen to you if you out there listening. Get An F. seven and you want to hear myself in Ken. Hong King of smash from survivor good bone talking about F F seven. Because that's what we're doing not really promising a schedule on that one. It's just really happening as it happens. I consider any fancy seven. Podcast a bonus. Final fantasy seven. Podcast we'll be back next week talking door until then everybody take care. Bye Cabinet you still regarding. I am still recording. Do you want to pick up a hammer? So that like this counts as a post credit by having you know what's the heaviest object that you have your by that we could hear you really strain. There's a super at this this this do your best impression of yourself picking up. Mueller. What would it sound like? Well I would just lifted off the ground and hold a lightning strike Son of a you gotTa Hashtag for this one. If people have made it this far I mean I like Hashtag Hammer time because one is Justin Hammer but also leads into the man. But we're going to cross over into MC hammer twitter. I am fine with that Sir. All right Hashtag Hammerton. And if you've got this special ending all right take everybody but.

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 9 with Dave Jorgenson

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 40 Episode 9 with Dave Jorgenson

"Some game right off sounds law as the R H. A day lay off can sell you the our ase three. I everybody in most into the RHA key. Bnb episode nine survivor winners at war. Should I say episode of Kline yes? It's the Big Adam. Scott Klein send-off episode doing it in style on the BNB with a great panel as per usual. Let me welcome in. I my partner in crime here. Why would always give a Chinese food to no matter? What Liana Boris Donna? How are you? I'm good? I have a fifty fifty coin here. Fifty fifty that. I stay on the PODCAST. Not that I go. Oh No. I didn't buy it because it was too expensive. Now Wait Lyonnais should be on a weighted coin. You better flip it exactly two times and make sure it's exactly fifty fifty odd for you. Make a decision yeah right. I love how everyone who interacted with the coin. Had to flip it. There was something some allure about it. Like par flip. Did I think Danny flipped it? Of course Michelle. Add TO GONNA take it for a test drive me. It's any form of entertainment out there. So I think including flipping a as a captive audience. You know if they're if they're into Jack and Jill into coin flipping. Let's during the lead here really really fun guests and you know what if if future Mike luminosity before this season you're gonNa have a tick Tock Star from the Washington Post on to talk about survivor. I would not believe you. We are living in ridiculous times so I think it's also appropriate that we bring on a ridiculous. I'm super excited to bring him on here from the Washington Post. Dave Jorgensen Dave. Welcome to the beam. Be How you doing. I'm doing great and I wouldn't have believed that sentence and I'm the person you're talking to So I'm super pumped. I just ripped the doorknob of my door. I thought it might be good luck but it turns off. I I just I just broke my door so I was there on your door knob. That made you feel like you need. Yeah I can't think of anything clever. Go at that. But yeah there was a it was just a nice johnny breast or not with a symbol it said BNB and you know hopefully gives me like but at least I have a doorknob with were always always insanity of the BNB probably does count for something like credit or something. Yeah not that you WanNa but you could redeem it for credit to something. We'll see exactly which again are worth. Nothing outside of survivor won't tell you that. Well Dave before we get into everything survivor. Can we just get like a quick bio on who you are? Because I'm sure there are many many people who are coming in here wanting to know about our lovely guest So if you want to give an introduction as to who you are out in the world besides just a survivor fan. Yes I might name is Dave. I'm a longtime survivor fan. That's first and foremost the most important part of my identity is my survivor phonetic offensive. But I a video journalist at the Washington Post and in the last year. I start tick tock account so what I do especially nowadays is make to take talks today. from my apartment because I can't leave it and you know related to journalism or stories that we're doing with the Washington Post so that's a big part of just not my online personality but also survivor itself. I think how you found me. The twitter just tweeting about survivor to anyone who will listen and now. I have a slightly bigger platform than even a year ago. So people actually seemed to be interested or at least are curious about Survivor actually being on the air. So that's a very short summary. But Yeah I mean I've just been super survivor fan. Love everything to do with that. I think it's also sort of informed what I do now. I think even down to just like things that I like the way I ended for instance. I really look in survivor editing. When I edit my own video and I actually think that the those are. We can kind of get into that later. But the editors survivor or some of the best and TV and I think so much of survivor has informed. Actually what my career is now. Even if you go back to my obsession with how I edit stuff and how I shoot stuff. It's The for instance. The cameraman on survivor Were the people that went and helped. Shoot the few seasons of the office and I like to shoot things in the style of mockumentary and use it to punctuate a joke and things like that so I think there's so much of survivor that has influenced what I do and I'm just so obsessed with it and I've just. I'm so glad that it's still such a big part of my life and that actually gets talked to yesterday. This is so clinical. I am a loving it like. Oh my God. He's so smart. Tell me more you're the one right now. Jabhat that's enormous accomplishment. I don't even know if I'm going to live up to that. But maybe I could be your your nerd shield but yeah I I. Actually one time had like a beautiful mind type of where I traced survivor. All the way to like occur like modern. Tv shows and how it's influence all those TV shows through an storytelling and the fact like even politically how it's affected Not affected but influenced things in the country. So I could get into all of that. We could talk about if you want but Yeah definitely obsessed when Mike when Michelle term every bumbling bumbling idiots yeah. That's it's over here I mean. We're we're the PODCAST foreign by bumbling bumbling idiots so dave says for when did you what did you into the show where you like a day one or was there a particular season that you hop on board with? That's that's perfect because yeah day one actually I back in the Borneo. We just call it survivor then. Obviously I was nine years old when it premiered and I was. I watched every episode the night aired or taped it on VHS. Up until I want to say like season ten or eleven and then I like you know around that time entered high school and I remember kind of like not being quite as into it and so actually was around Samoan Heroes. I fill in where the show kind of started getting more attention again and I saw I remember specifically seen that Colby guys back and grouper and all these people who now we caught a poke fun at a little bit but you know they were legend and they still are. I was really excited about that so I started watching season twenty. And that's actually win rob. I think that's when he started the podcast. Here's I fill INS and that's actually what I just started listening to it because Rob Sister Nida. I'm not just saying this was my favorite player. The only steel on. Dvd is Amazon. And I just loved it and I re re watch all of his confessionals all things like that. So that's always a podcast. I was like perfect. I'M GONNA LISTEN TO THIS SO I've been listening to this podcast for a long time and it was kind of crazy how. I sort of picked up the survivor. Fan Ship again in college but Yeah there was even A. I've definitely been on a few episodes like eight or nine years ago. The voicemails so I don't even know what episode I was thinking about that earlier. But they're definitely there and at one point. I did Audition for survivor and I want to hear about that no I I'm all ears. I'm so intrigued. Do any like wacky crazy things. Yes well it's funny I'm so used to apologetically like telling my survivor story like I'm sorry we over like a minute but like this again. This is the right people to talk to so it was. It was around this time. Where here's refilling said just wrapped up so that would have been? I think it was like end of fall. Twenty ten and sent an audition tape And I it did wins sears. Had the sixty second thing you you like Jimmy on. I believe on survivor. Nicaragua cast exactly so I sent that in and within two days they called me. It was like Christmas Eve and I was like clearly. My friends are messy with me. There's no way I and they're like the guy took me while to convince me like no. No no this is this is real and so for a while for. I mean I would say probably. I guess like once a week up until March. He would call me. He would like just kind of ask questions and stuff at one point he having a three minute video like I think there's other contestants talked about this before where they actually had to keep sending in different types of videos because they wanted like I dunno something civic from you. I think the longer video I did was me with a guitar singing about Rupert and all I did instead of lyrics I would just like say Rupert and start Roy like it up. Yes that's right that was was well before dot. Yeah I'll take photos right now. That was me you can put in some kind of Wiki page but yeah so I did. I did that and at one point. They called me and said you're going to finals and this is this is the part of the story. I always tell people because even out survivor fan. They find it funny every time they had called me on casting. I pretended it was an uncle. I had that doesn't exist and I would. I called him uncle. Ken and I would just leave the room and I said. Let's go talk to my uncle Ken and so when they said you have to go to Kassian for a week and you can't. You can't tell anyone you can only tell your close loved ones basically. I just told everyone at school that my uncle died. I I called a Jonny fairplay that which was a tribute for sure and so what I show up it. You know in in Santa Monica. I tell I told them that. I remember Mark Burnett that he thought it was the funniest thing in the world and that is what got me through casting for like a lot of it and then part of the story is very actually i. Tina was talking about this on a recent podcast about how she got called for a war. That never called again. It was kind of that where like suddenly they just ghosted me. After the whole week I got through the whole week of finals. Everything and then I just never heard from them again until I got like a sad facebook message. Four months later but the I know it was ridic- and they're like oh I thought it'd be called. You know you did it. I've been just waiting at sucks but another part of this was in my specific casting group. Cochran Albert Sophie. Kim was there that week but she was like a different group but she was in the hotel And I I WANNA say a couple of other. I like the guy that I wanna see. His name was like this can't be true. This nickname was like teddy bears. They're Marc Russo. Yeah Yeah exactly he. Was there a handful of other people that ended up on the show? So that's how far I was pretty close to the end there And then a couple of years later many three years later I was out of college and I was living in La. And I went to rob's I ever live show whatever he called that and I met. I Sell Sophie there and I was like do you remember me and she. It took her like a moment like yeah and she. She made a point later she was like. I never thought about what happened to the people that couldn't go like that did show load like yeah. We're still here. And then years later she comes back to the screen you know like what could have been. Maybe you would have stolen the survivor South Pacific from her. That's that's what I tell myself and no one can like. Unless there's an alternate timeline. More that happens. I know it can prove me wrong. So that's what I like. I did a casino. I remember telling them like that. Little Guy over there. I'm going to be the JT. His fish back. And I was talking about Cochran so that was like I was watching South Pacific. I was like that was I have done that because you know they were all kind of pick out. I'm like no I would have protected. Cochran. I would've taken to the end. I would've beat them. That was my whole fake. Certainly if if you haven't made on the show but you make it foreign cast and you can put a face to the people. It's almost the most frustrating like season of television. You can watch. It was still pretty fun. Oh my Gosh I would love to live in this alternate universe where we have the second coming of JT and Stephen Cochran and hopefully there's no Kovic. Nineteen at wonderful universe. That was really the linchpin moment right. This was like Dave getting survivor. South Pacific what could have happened. Also the fact that I don't know like you would have been on there with coach and Ozzy which would have been a crazy situation. I mean maybe maybe for your family visit you would have brought down the whole uncle Ken thing and then try to do a johnny fairplay to know. But it's you who took your slot archetype. You would have been okay. I remember it's been. I think you'd have like five years. We can talk about this so it's been well over that but I still kind of speak archaic lab. I don't really think it matters. I won't say name of casting people. How about that? I I remember that they really wanted me to like play up the the fact that I was in a fraternity in college and I. I kept telling them like no like guys. I'm attorney but it's I. It's we're really not do people like the like we're not at and they were just they were like no no no like play it up but I don't WanNa lie and like now. I wish I could just go like do whatever they're telling you. Just do it and then get on the show and then you can be whoever it like. Then you can be yourself and I I. I don't know why I was so like no but that's not honest to my true self. I wish I would have just gone with whatever they can. But they were really like wanted me to play at this college brody guy slash Fabio because Nicaragua was airing and like. Don't you think you're like Kinda like Fabio and I was like no but don't you think I'm an idiot? I just I was so that made me so annoyed. I remember that so well. 'cause I remember at least in the case. Then this is still the case the bio on your CBS website. I fill out all those questions before going to finals. And I believe that still the case where him that bio is actually something you fill out before you're even actually cast so I remember writing. Tyson is one of the players I liked most or wanted to play most like and they hated that they hated it. And I just couldn't believe I was like no like Tyson's so funny. And this is something that you know getting back to the edit if you really watch those especially token chains closely you can tell that while he's sort of a villain everyone likes him and it wasn't applied versus water. The actually was the case. But they really didn't edit him that way for a long time. I could see I was like no. I know exactly what he's doing. He's the guy that kind of jokes around and Mike. Kinda poke fun at people but like everyone likes him. I was like that's who I want to be. That's why I think I could be on the show and they just weren't having it but like no you are fob. Yo know your play it up. Okay yeah the Rab Remember your. What's your also really dumb. And we're going to put you in front of America as a twenty year old. You're like you don't I don't know if it's ego or what it is but like you can't just go. Oh I'll do whatever you want to get. Cast like my. I just couldn't do it. I could not like allow myself to like. I don't know they're saying be dumb but I couldn't play as much as they wanted it Yeah Oh that's fun. That's such a cool story so awesome. Yeah well this. This is a therapy session. By the way. Listen your bills in the mail. But we're thinking back to season forty because here you are. You're co room inhabitants. I suppose hotels sharers while the way back. Sophie you've got Kim. Obviously this is a culmination as it is for you as it is for a lot of us of years and years of fandom what have you been thinking about winters at war nine episodes. It has it. Lived up to any hype you had built up for this type of season in your head for him I think yes and no it initially. Yes like I loved it. I loved every episode and I think that's really all you can get from that I think like if I'm enjoying it. We tweak than what else am I gonNA ask for? I think the problem is just like there is so much hype that how could it ever meet your expectations but honestly it does feel very. Here's I fill INS to me where I'm just really excited to see a lot of these people back you know. I think we're still taking for granted that canvas there that like that. Tony is doing just fine. And nothing's happening to them but there's so many there's so much stuff we're still taking for granted. I was definitely very heartbroken heartbroken. That sounds so dramatic. But I don't like that. All the old school players are out. I'm not really sure it was a like an actual effort by everyone. They said as much that it wasn't but either way I love it. I really wish we could have gotten more your Ethan. Maybe we will but yeah most of my gripes are just kind of. Who's been voted out but as far as the game play? I think it's really interesting. Of course we'll talk about this episode. But what I really liked about this episode was it felt. It's they're still in the stage of their so scared to throw out names. They're just constantly throw names to route and it's so funny to see that play when players are so good almost go all the way back to the beginning where it's like the first episode of an all new players season. That's what it feels like every episode and some people don't like that I love it. I I just think it's so funny. Because it feels very new and Ron that way so I'm all for anything feels different. It feels like nobody can really establish strong connections and so they're having to kind of go back to this first time playing. You know no one knows really what's going on and we're all just trying to get our bearings which has been really exciting to watch you. You talked about the old school players while they're all on the edge of extinction if that helps right. Yes that was so interesting. I I mean I imagine that is mostly game plan parties part. You know. She's basically an island with a bunch of Jerry voters but it is kind of a party with a softer side. I don't know maybe I don't hate that. It's just different. It's very different. I just wish that I know a lot of people. Don't want basarab to do well but I always root for Boston Rob. I can't help myself and as much as Tyson fan as I clearly am. I was actually kind of hoping Robert Comeback and just have one last sort of crazy run. You know But I can't whatever it's it's it's still a great season. I have no complaints. Actually Love Fire Tokens. I think they're still trying to figure out how it goes. I'm really interested to see a season without the edge. But with fire tokens after this. If that happens because I think that especially when you? What is it when you when you write your fire token will? I've really. I've really think it'll be much more interesting. When they're not just trying to give tokens to people who when they get back in the game will help them I I. I'm kind of curious what's to happen when they're out and they just throw a coin to someone who maybe is just really struggling the game and they just want to see what happens. So let's sort of like we saw one case that Tyson and Nick. I think right every other time. It's pretty much been like the people that I wanNA walk giving these fire codes so we even saw a little bit of a wrinkle in the fire. Tokens this episode. Where I believe for the first time this season when the players on the edge sell something to the player in the game they can set a price whereas before was like you have to sell it or this amount poverty was like. Hey you know what let's clean out Michelle? Let sell her for all fire. Four or five or tokens that she's worth and they were able to do so but I wonder if that's going to get things throughout the post merge of like okay now because I felt like they were a little handcuffed in the beginning of light. You could only sell it for this specific price. Absolutely if I guess I think going forward that will be like probably almost every exchange like in future seasons and I think it makes sense. I mean why wouldn't it be more of a Sort of bartering. Thing than like a fixed amount you know it feels almost like the beginning of Pearl Islands where they were just kind of sort of setting their prices. Who's the shopkeeper that falls in love with somebody it poverty and Michelle? Jeff Limit Boston Rob. Just but that's just other side that has a really and then you have atom over there stealing stuff from tribal council. Said he's like maybe it's an idol old for the winner Stole Jeff Sued. Jeff is your left shoe and idol from a pirate. Yesterday president episode was interesting because like we got a lot of calamity and the ladder third but it. I mean I would love to hear your thoughts about editing. I'm sure as we go along here Dave because this episode in particular felt a little disjointed to me were. Maybe it's just a constant mental like having something like the sanction but to have like a little scene and then edge of extinction thing and then reward challenge then sort of working through that like I was riveted by everything after the immunity challenge and part of me really just wishes that they bumped immunity. Challenge up a Smith. Sure like I think we're actually like a year removed from the big pilots versus passengers. That happened in edge of extinction. Now remember that episode. They really dedicated time to like okay. You know here's the immunity challenge and then we just make all hell breaks loose. I wonder had Sarah not given her reward to nick. I think there's at least a ninety percent chance. They cut US reward from the broadcast. Yeah I agree and I think that the has to me that has to be the only reason and I have to rewatch a little bit that again but I think you do kind of get very select soundbites from Sarah and other people in that on the it makes it seem like Sarah's endanger but I'm not really sure that was totally the case the whole time I really felt like Sarah Sarah certainly put a target on her back in some way. But I don't think that I think people just want to throw names out there and see what happens I wish I had more insight to that specific but I think you're dead on with basically it they had to do with. They were just going to show the scene. Maybe Sarah's going to be in trouble next week something like that but it could be totally unrelated her giving the rewards nick. Yeah because sometimes these things like two episodes later. You ever remember who did that. Like you can't even remember who gave reward or who picked whose family member to go with them. It almost I would say like Fifty Fifty Foot Foot Michelle's coin it doesn't matter yeah. I'm happy we other award challenge because we got some great quotes like Nick saying. Oh I love the ladies when Kim visit. What is the next character this because I love Dick? I don't know what this like. Weird are they try like. Is he going to Erik Reichenbach at the end of this like this jeff just trying to get one more highlight for that real different atom now that Adams because Adam was pretty much like about this past couple of is like kind of like the monkey of the season love him or hate him and I very much him in the role he played this season? But you know they had things like he can't put his torch in the whole like he's looking at figures tonight a looking at him and I wonder if maybe they're surpassed that off onto the next two young superfan. That's around the new argue. Superfan fumbling bumbling idiot. Yeah Yeah exactly. So he could have been casted the season I was trying to cast it but I think I think Adam is great and I think that what's really I don't know if this is Adam being hopeful but I did feel like when he posted on social media the days after this episode. Saying I've actually been really happy about the people who've supported like all of my heart game lives. I think that's true. I think at the day people respect Adam. And that's like that's really interesting because so often the edit does seem to sort of influence a lot of the how people view these characters who are actually really great players and people like Adam but maybe it's just the facebook survivor audience. This time around. That's going to not like Adam. I Love Adam too. I think I would have played exactly what he did. This last episode parachute on the right there and I had. I was Adam. I would have tried everything you tried. Oh Yeah for sure and I think Mike. I'm sure you must have had this experience. But because you know we've talked about survivor South Africa where we've seen this exact situation play out where there is an immunity idol that is hidden like literally in the exact same spot at the podium is actually an immunity idol and so yes. The editing was like Oh look at this bumbling idiot like Oh you WanNa play the thing. That doesn't move at the thing I feel like I don't know if he meant it but I feel like I felt a bit of like incredulity. In Jeff probst tone a bit of like wait a minute. You think that this thing. Yeah in my podium and I honestly don't see the difference between like what Adam did and like if he hid ran through the jungle that afternoon looking right. It's like it's the exact same thing he feels like his neck is on the line so he's GonNa find something. It's much like Randy Bailey. Playing Bob's fake idol. It's one of those things where like it's made for a big entertaining moment but if you look at the situation you're like yeah. I need a very much in trouble. Adam certainly got that hint when he asked everyone if things were okay and nobody looked him in the eye. Apparently that's a big glaring red flag so he ought he could pull something out so I admire him. I think a lot of people do but to your point Dave. I'm sort of doing it as sort of like a wreck. Was it laying down some good positively because you never know there might be returning players. But we've even seen this earlier on the season a lot of the Phantom Really Rake Adam and other people over the coals for decisions they make. It's really a double edge sword and bringing back such big layers and characters is that you know you're going to have big fans of you could have big fans of players that you scheme against and so if you go against poverty. You're really going to get chastised for even if it was like a move that you wanted to do. Yeah I do think there is a level of that where they came back. And maybe the first few vote offs. They were a little bit of scared to vote off a bus rub. Just because of like I don't know if they were thinking about fan backlash but just some kind of level of of can I get rid of this guy like. Is it just going to destroy me? A person like well. You know be mean to me a tribal council. I duNNo. It's but it's so funny when you say it. How Jeff was so incredulous. I totally agree. I KINDA WANNA go back. And Re edit that same with like a Sitcom laugh track because did feel like Jeff was berry. Michelle Tanner like. Did you think there was an idol? Like it was just so. I was so much and I don't blame them. I totally get what jet like. I actually parachute jeff shoes I probably would have played that up to but I do feel like I just saw a moment and knew what he was doing there and very likely Jeff was aware that Adam was gonna try that too so he had time to prepare. You know faking atom out that. Maybe it is an idol. All these kinds of things so bad chips like you think Zionism is it. I want to play it if it is like you like he'd literally sign up. I'm ready to do this at Jeff's like I'm sorry buddy. It's not and I do think the little the snake like always that he said to Adam I. Some people have taken it as biting. I took that more so is like sincere. Thank you for this. Your what's your help. Keep survivor on the air for twenty plus years but very oddly tinted scene and very oddly tinted season for Adam but I cannot imagine the season without him. I'm still working on the re editing concept because I would love to include those sound effects. Dave like the boy ing absolutely. That'll be super easy to do. Yeah and then. We get into the half blood prince soundtrack and this case atom gets. They'd be Harry Potter. So really win win for Adam and I. I agree with you. I think I think Jeff was sincere. Always that's that's how I felt about the mobile see. A Phantom comes back much like Harry did and if exit extension interesting cross station But but I more about Adam and let's start with some of our being be usual fare. Let's get into our sealed preseason predictions that Liana and I made about Adam line before this season so Liana Beckmann. We did our draft. I remember that I think Abbas like one of the bigger wildcards because he was such a big fan of all these players. How did you think he was going to more importantly? How many fire tokens was Adam? Klein going to squirrel away over the course of winners of war. In your opinion okay. This is what I had written for. Adam he tried to create too many day one alliances and get in trouble with the tribe for it. He was seen as Boston. Rob's side kick. He does not make the loved ones visit. This time. Can't steal it buddy. And then for Fire Tokens. I said that he goes to throw them out in the fire as instructed by Boston Rob but secretly keeps them so he ends up with seven hundred and forty one total. You're saying that Adam Klein homes nearly seven hundred fifty kids to see Boston. They're tiny chocolate chips in your vantage point it abbvie smaller than that. Like sprinkles maybe turned the rice. In the tokens. Yeah Yeah right exactly or I don't know again. I'm I'm just confused as to what my logic was. Maybe the the bills were higher rates. You could have one. Token is worth one hundred tokens. That's only seven and a half that's on out of close up magic on post up. You're like do I threw it in the fire. What's this on your ear? It when they were sucked and Bosnia wouldn't let them go anywhere it's because they're stuck watching Adam do sleight of hand or ours now ours result of the game with all the oreos. Pull the bunny voting. There's something I would like to play the bunny jet. I don't know this is an idol but I do believe this is your part of the last things I had I had fifteen confessionals is ally would be Boston Robin. His enemy would be Danny. I mean Ben Yells about it this episode to Adam at the most awkward interaction and Travel Council. I've seen it some time that he was sort of writing things out to Boston. Robs you weren't too far away with that. I said that Adam had like day one prediction for Adam. Which is that. He formed alliance with some of the most revered players He's on the bottom. I said he would find an idol and play it on someone else. Like he did. A millennials versus Gen-x and I guess remains to be seen that he will have the most Ott reactions as a juror which I think a pretty accurate prediction. His closest allies. You're thin is worst. Enemy is nick the other superfan eighteen confessionals and he ends with a grand. Total of one fire token You know with all of his reactions in the confessionals. I don't know that counts towards your prediction. But he's been very O. T. Yeah I think I talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I am just stunned that the two biggest and most visible characters pre merged were Adam Klein and Michelle Fitzgerald on winters at work and I guess it makes sense so much of the action but Adam has really left off the screen and I guess he really has been. Just because he's gone to tribal so much you've been at the forefront of so much action including this episode that they have gone to him more times than your Tyson. Boston Rob Kim Tony. Adam has outnumber them all in terms of professionals. Now granted he's about to go to the edge of extinction where there's GonNa be a drop in airtime. I'm assuming but never would have predicted. That would have happened the season. He's GonNa get his own spinoff ponderosa type show on the edge or Adam on the edge. I would watch that today. Diaries as long as bad and gets to show up as a recurring character. Then I would definitely watch it. 'cause like we've about their relationship is so amazing it really is to go back to your comparison. Dave I think Adam is really like the Danny. Tanner and Ben is like the Kimmy Hitler of just like constantly being offered by. But like you have to live next door to them and like you have to do with them no matter what will then. Who's now I have to cast the whole? Like WHO Steve? Who's coming in and stealing food and leaving like there's gotta be there's got to be there you go. Yeah there's one thing do want to say about Adam just before I forget. Maybe it's important but I think what's cool about this season? It's a lot of the players. They sort of took on just a super sized role of their original season so and Adams original season. I feel like he was like the Super Fan and he was. We were living through him and I feel like now he was just a superfan losing his mind at winners at war and it was just Adam on steroids in that sense and like you could also point to nick. I feel like David once again. A nick is always on the bottom and they're constantly. It's so interesting to see. How like a lot of these players still seem to be playing into the totally made up our type that they were so. I really. That's been kind of fun for me to watch. Would other players are still kind of living upset? Original are Type Board wearing the same outfit or some good point because they I mean some people have tried to change their sites that you have like Michelle. Now sort of being someone who's been left out of vote than getting advantages in the game to help her. Someone like Ben. Really tried to play the social game but I feel like his argument with Adam was actually very reminiscent of like his his relationship with Chrissie. We're like he'll work with him but they will fundamentally disagree on everything and like really snit at one another so. I think that's a really great point where some people have definitely changed their positions. A lot of these people actually find themselves very similar roles or having very similar temperaments as they did in their first season. Especially those who played very recently I mean I think people are who they are and so it's very challenging to really play the game differently. You have to play to your strength and I totally agree with kind of the flashbacks of other seasons to add to that nick. Getting upset at the vote or even if it was feigning being upset at the vote out that was throwing me back to David versus Goliath. So it really does feel like. We're getting a flashback. To the past before we move onto more fun and games. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back so let's keep on keeping on so dave I wanNA throw it to you. I hear about as we get into. The game is because you provided one of the biggest blindsides for us and unlike Nick. We are legitimately surprised here. Perhaps you brought a game for us and we feel some happy with this housewarming. What are you prepared for Leon and I to be here? You're like the teacher. Think of games. We could do it. I was like no no no I have. I have a game. I'm GonNa make you play. I'm a student that sort of I purposely misunderstood the assignment but yeah so basically. I was looking at different names of tribes since survivor has been filming seemingly permanently in Fiji. And what they actually mean. I've gotten a few I've done like the last two or three seasons. We do like even just this season and I have what they actually mean then to other options and so I wanNA give you three options for each tribe and you guys can guess what the name actually means in. I guess I don't want to get that wrong but I'm pretty sure the language that was the finish game last week. We did tribe names with the Finnish versions and now we're actually going with like play. I'm so happy that these names work on a global scale. It's actually makes more mistakes way more sense though Dave. This is this actually fits so okay. Good well soon. We get started because I can do it. Okay so okay so selley. Does that. Mean to fight to cuts or to hunt so we'll just give it a ABC to fight. Be TO CUT C. To Hunt so active birds. Leon what do you think what do you think is the most one I mean? I guess if they're going for winners at war like are they going for one of the most warlike verbs. I think they would pick to fight right. I would imagine so. Yeah it'd be hunt though too right because you're you're hunting your own it describe war on your opponents maybe it depends on the war. A mass man hunt. I think I don't know how. Genie conjugates are we presently fighting. Did we previously fight? I don't think that Mike just a state of mind. It's just a state of my. It was be to cut literally just meeting knife. I guess there was two interpretations either to cut knife. Yes Oh okay well. That's also winners. Will you cut your opponents and the game so I don't know why I went with hunt as my second option in those three fine? I'm just glad my options are working. Okay all right so now how to call a crush the gun or see kick in a crush gun. C- kick all right here. We had a knife with the pairing here. I feel like we have to go with gun. I feel like one is much more effective than the other. Maybe that's they call was winning all those challenges and I I mean literally brought a nice little guy right okay. You're dealing with gun John is correct. I feel like I should have had better Objects than that but you know what whatever that was good that was good deducing or deduction All right so we'll do one more here with the Yarra tribe I did a very heroes. Healers Hustler's thing so get ready for this. A Haughty Hungry. See Herro. A hottie. Hottie Hottie h GT wide these lascivious. Let's make a hut green drive where I was like. Is it like like the labyrinth? I guess there's a way of saying hot hottie jointly audie. I don't know that's that's coming to me. We'll take that counts haughty state with an accident. Holte hungry or Herro ours ERS hero or Herro. So that's the hero. Heracles Arrow as an harrowing like. That was a heroin wing era really right Arrow air. Because that sounds like unless you're talking about unless you put H in front of Arrow that would make no sense because that would make more sense if it was aro- but no h in front of their. Yeah it's all right. It's Lord Harrow. But it's Dan Lira Arrow all right. We're going to go with the Arrow. I'm totally. This is the reason you guys run the Games you're the hosted and I'm just the contestant. It's Harrow but just reward. Heroin is what y'all so I don't know I don't know I don't know if it means like a heretic. Because they're the bird tried. They're going to have a harrowing journey going forward. I'm not sure but that's that is what I mean. They went knife gun and Harrow. Wait we look put a letter in front of it that could probably whatever Arrow Spear Club. Those weren't available. Got It okay. Arrow can do one more from the season from okay all right so we have this foci all right so either means a spider. The monkey faced bat oversee echo as fighter. The effaced bad see or Geico ever member of the. I believe the Iowa tribe for named after animals. If I I think the LYRA was the crab I'm trying to remember back to when I was on set and looking at the flags I want to say that was land. I WanNa say it's the bat as I'm trying to remember the other two. Were what the? I'm just like a monkey face and now all the interests of the spider monkey faced bat and Forest Gecko the monkey faced bat. Mobiles a judgment on the Bat is the Oh like it's resting monkey face like that really has resting. Would you want a Banana? Bat Orbit Breath. Oh sorry you just haven't run off sure. Yeah let's go without weird answer. My monkey faced bat. It's too specific to not be the answer. Okay it was force. Keko but hockey monkey faced bat is an animal on Fiji in Fiji on in the island. Anyway it exists. Yeah if you type in Fiji animals on Google. That's like one of the first ones. It's lucky I I was like I cannot not put lucky face bed do you think do you think in honor of season forty. We're going to have a return to rats and snakes and said it's like land crabs and Mossy base bats really. I really hope so. It's a little less eloquent but yes it does look like it does look at the pictures right now. Oh my God listen. I don't want to cast judgment on animals. This thing looks horrific. This was like it's GonNa wake me nightmares and make me never wanNA sleep again. It's got those red is as beatty read is just staring into your soul. It's been on some. I've definitely seen it on the show in some capacity right. Well let's let let's be on watch from now on if you run into the monkey faced bat including listeners out there. Please let us now. We're on the lookout for this gene creature deal. That's what I would like your little of this. Podcast introduced so many animals that exist that apparently we've never we don't remember from four years of them being there wanted. Msnb let's get into one of our other games here. Thank you dave. That was a really fun. Game as we move on from the The Hair Arrows and the monkey faced batts so obviously big chaotic episode year in Survivor. And it's become a tradition that when we do chaotic episodes. I like to bring out an old chestnut on the BNB called before. Or after. Here's how it's GonNa work bring back and forth on questions and I'm going to simply provide you with two events that happened in this episode and you have to tell me whether one happened before or after the other one is are all events that happened in this episode of survivor. No need to dote on previous weeks. This all happened in this jam packed. Forty two minute episode. So let's see how much we paid. Attention here Leon I'm I'm going to start with you here to test out this version before or after. So we've mentioned this moment before the beginning of the episode in. Michelle called the remaining players well. Ding Bats and paddling fumbling idiots before or after Adam tells her about the flirty Lee on the podium. I think that was before that is correct. Yes Michelle is raring to go if you're if you're talking about nick. Sort of mimicking stuff from David versus Goliath. His reaction to being left out of the window vote was very reminiscent of like Carlin. Davey going home or is just steaming I I hate them. All and then animals Michelle decide and tells her about the as he calls it a floor deletes that is on the podium in his latest set into motion. Yeah the Dow was very interesting. I think he also said the thing about his heart literally beating out of his chest. I was like you're not Ryan what what's going on the guy who actually did that. Please stop being so dramatic. Okay through a monkey faced Bat Fisher must right. This question is about the song that has made survivor twitter as all hell so now in the now is in forty song. It makes two appearances in this episode. Do we hear the lyrics winners at war? Hungry for more before or after we hear the lyrics home before the storm get ready for the thunder out. Oh my God you cut out. Which is which was kind of before or after what? Sorry after a calm before the storm get ready for the thunder's I would. I would love to just lyrics over and over again so I can cut it here. I think I think we're at war was before so you believe that it came before. Yes I'm sorry to correct. Answer is after home where the story writer. The thunder came during the reward challenge winners at war hungry for more came during the immunity challenge in my defense. I block out whenever that song happens. I wake up in an alleyway and terrified. That song is why why not have see a produce it. Why couldn't they have whatever we can talk about that later? I'm not ready so silly. There's a small part of me that likes it like a sort of Baylor a sticky situation way where the song is just so that. I'm like I can listen to this again. And just kinda laugh with it but the reason I love it is because it's like it's almost lost. The in in that we get little drips and drabs of this big mystery each and every episode where we are slowly piecing together these lyrics figure out what the message of it is like. I feel like we got like a bridge and then like a section of the chorus in this. So that we'd have someone has got to suit. And if not if not someone listening that I will do is start to piece together the song from what we and then you have to yourself record the in between so you have to come up with the lyrics parts of what's missing yes. I love this concept that it's the puzzle the puzzle. That's over the over arching theme of the season I was gonNA. I was GONNA ask this for my discussion question because I love. This song is so much that I hate this song but I was thinking about it for other seasons. Like what if every other season had their own theme song like? Can you imagine the woman singing? Heroes Healers Hustler's I'd be that'd be the entire course just those three words. Yeah like I was trying to think of what season would have the best song or the worst song potentially worst heroes healers Hustler's because it would just be trying to sing it over. It'd be like the what's the what's the Billy Joel Song. Where he just lists everything that's happened in the last in start over and over again all the people on the season's name. Yeah I feel like the this season is that have the subtitles is that you guys remember like Like survivor Vanuatu islands of fire or like survivor. Guatemala the Mayan Empire. Those types of seasons would have survivor token. She's the resilient highlands. I feel like those would have the Best Lake mysticism or quality to them foul. Yeah that'd be the second line. Think game changers actually would be okay. I think would be the other really bad one because I just don't know how you sing that or put that in some sort of like sexy song contact. That's the thing is that really has to be a title that like assuming that we're going for the same sort of rocking tone that the winners at war song comes from you. WanNa have that driving quality to it I think. Having to sing millennials versus Gen-x just really does not it really loses. All Its teeth right there. Yeah that isn't really really awesome Kong. I'd just go through every season in my head right alad and seeing them to myself for me. I'd love to hear those all right. Well well gave his singing to himself on election to you. Here do Denise and Adam Lament Sarah's rewards swap basically going back and forth as Denise says the heart my ass Before or after Tony talked about how Sarah that caught in a moment ooh I think the goodness of heart my ass was first because I love that quote as much as unfortunately did come after the moment was after. But I mean you were talking about the editing. There was some fun stuff done here. Particularly we have Sarah Antoni talking syrupy like it's not a big deal and cuts. It had him in. That thing was definitely like a play. We should get rid of so I just love. I'm always a sucker. Even there are like very You know you know. The joke is coming right down the corner. It's always pulled up extremely well by these Yeah I think I think Sarah tweeted something about how she's allergic to Chinese food. Which is the real reason it was. It was a joke nick followed. Oh Yeah Oh okay well okay. Never mind fake news. Everybody fake news was I was with you there. I didn't know she was sitting joking. I still don't know Sarah's like level of a personnel still her personality and that's not a knock on her I just don't know when she's joke it or not. I have no idea. I can't figure out and twitter. You're not speaking the food that requires an EPI pen for. Let's get into some fortune cookies. Dave does Kim just Kim get her fortune of you will make changes for the better before or after Ben Gets. His Fortune of your skill will accomplish what the force of many others not a hero. Oh I I. This is like widely more important to me than like everything I've done this week. I want to get this question right. I'll say it before. Sorry Kim came after Ben was the first from what we saw to open up his fortune. Cookie and man. I mean spoiler alert for question of the week. We're GONNA have some thoughts about these fortune cookies because I love this idea and I was totally thought. There's going to be a clue in them. Apparently there was according to Michelle that this was divine providence. That would make her. WanNa take the coin. But what a weird thing to just randomly have is detail. Those weird I was I was just trying to imagine what the writer's room would have looked like that or maybe that was just from the local Fijian Chinese food places yet. I felt it was like the champagne. Glasses right. It was sort of another. Let's just throw something at them. That means absolutely nothing just to make them to think it means something right. I think what happened now but I don't know maybe they weekly hidden lyrics to the winners of were song. Were in those that would be. Then why would they cut that out? Because that's the most important part. No of heroes healers hustlers but the tune of we didn't start the fire stuck in my head so that's now all I can think about when I think about the winners at war heroes. He House slurs does. Were in my head off tune. All right let's go back to you here. Liana in the immunity challenge. Does Jeremy have one of the craziest dismounts ever before or after Ben Starts Doing Kung Fu movements with his arms. Ooh I think the Ben Peng Fu thing was i. I'm sorry Jeremy. How did his little hooting and hollering before? Ben Started hitting the air with his hands. Yeah that was really funny. I wasn't sure love. It looked like he was trying to signal. You know how like when they teach you in drivers just in case you don't have a turn signal. This is what you're supposed to do. It looked like he was doing that. Right yeah returning underwrite I. I don't know that was one of the Times where like I'm not I'm not a survivor redder. That hate spend I'm certainly survivor editor but I like that. And that was one of those endearing moments for me. I was like this is hilarious. I don't know if he's like trying to be funny. I don't know but I liked that part of his personality. That's like I'm GonNa do this to balance like going to do a taekwondo tape. But I saw twenty years ago I I was trying to be one of those instruction levels that has like the air bubble to balance that. He's like if I slightly adjust my arm should calibrate my weight. And just the right way. They'll stay on this dog and to be fair. He didn't make it to the top to the challenge. So maybe he did. Something right works every time all right. Let's go back to you dave. This Tyson talk about his new found. Love or confusion in survivor. Before or after Adam and Ben get into an argument about Bennett being thrown under the bus and Ben Walks away from the conversation. So when you first presented this game this is going to be a walk in the park and Ford after the immunity challenge. Yeah exactly let me think also talking about how much I love editing and I feel like the worst like I can't even remember linear story say episode. So yeah yeah banks survivor therapy session. I want to say he said this after the Tyson's Tyson said that afterwards. Sorry trashing it. Wow look at us I mean it to. This is one of the many Adam. Ben Arguments in this episode is the first one of them in the jungle. Where this weird like genesis? Honestly I think I talked about this on line. I think Adam and Ben Act much more like a pair of exit and Wendell Michelle ever did this season like M. being fundamentally on different pages but trying to come together like walking away from each other yelling at each other during trump council where everyone else's whispering Yeah it's so fascinating if I could just have a extended scene or maybe just a Ben and Adam Cam that any time they interact. I really WANNA see them. Talk to one another inch. What's so great about that? Casting could never predict that you know you could never predict that these two are gonna make survivors so good in my opinion off the only on. Let's go to what I call the all. Hell breaks loose montage which is just as they pointed out for everyone throwing each other's names out so in the breaks loose montage. This name get brought up or elimination before or after Sophie laments that every time they have a conversation it seems like people walk away and have different conversations. Oh Lord I have no idea I know of a thirty second period right now before. I'm sorry it was after. Of course was I will say surprisingly quiet episode for Sophie shot a couple moments that we're going to talk about but you think for someone who had such a big episode at the merge gets. It's good that she slipped under the radar for this really kooky crazy vote. But I was surprised that this was really one of the only big kiss of input. She gave Yeah I think is. Is that if the Sarah thing somehow blows back on somebody. I feel like Sarah and so fear. Closed given their time together on the swaps murderer. Tribe thing though. Yeah of course you know harrowing so that would be. That'd be my concern. Because it's not like she was 'cause sometimes the editors will hide the people that are going far. That are doing well. If there's a move that's against them and I think that she was four atom going right or would be. I don't know why they would have to. She wasn't against Adam going. I guess that's sort of like. She was like Rod Ryan for him. That seemed to be more so like the Tyson and Kim side of things but she doesn't necessarily against it and to your point it does seem like next episode that someone wants to split them up. I don't know maybe this will turn into like a game of pairs where people are noticing. Really close pairs. That's why adamant Wendell got targeted last episode. Right with WHO? They were close to Let's go speaking of things being whipped back. Let's go to Dave here. Let's go to tribal council. So I traveled goes all does. Jeremy Can Beers a day to fire being whipped across the highway. Before or after denise says that she aged a few years over the course of today. Okay I feel like the Oh God I'm just my instinct is that he said after she aged said it before. Oh my age. Oh my God this podcast okay. Despite because amazing wow. Jeremy Line was actually really interesting because I was like what weirdly specific analogy and then I remembered that. He's a firefighter. He's like this stuff. Like what's a creative analogy? I think he's just like those type. Suck when fire gets whipped across a highway as we all experience. Of course Roy. Yeah speaking of it I wonder if him and Jeff already had some kind of conversation at tribal about firefighting to some extent where they cut that part out. But we're like what's just. Let's keep the part where he says. He Describes Jeremy. You fight fires every day was white. I said I yes I would not put it past him. And that's part of the reason I both love and hate jeff as he sometimes just ham fist. Those analogies right into it. I love it all right Leon. Does Adam Squat down by Sophie to tell her that he doesn't feel good before or after he revealed that they were asked to vote each other out. They sort of like confide in one another like wait a minute. You told me I was told. Vote you okay. I think he squats after that is correct. Yes I also realized that I wrote this. Sounds like Adam was like a kid visiting the school nurse in Sofia of like. I don't feel so good. I kind of fits your fine back to class. I was loving Kim just sitting there like just being like this chaos. Because she's immune right. She don't want immunity so she's like these crazy people for sure the only people to like not really mover entertainment. Conversations were Kim and Denise I wonder if the niece it was just like who she was just like they'll come to me but just like it was like I don't. I don't need to do this I'm going to. I'll just waste calories getting up and talking to Michael. I'm good with the plan. Yeah it was very modern renaissance painting with the chaos going on behind her and then her just being chill so just think about her fortune. Cookie exactly sits still not a big step all right. Let's get into some Adam and Ben Stuff. Does Adam Hughes Ben of being too sensitive before or after Ben brings him to task about what he did on Soleil okay. I think I feel more confident this time. I think Adam says he's too sensitive after unfortunately he did before he located. I next time I have. I have a quarter. I'M GONNA flip it if you have another one. I missed you to chastise the fifty fifty coin. I think it's time we bring it out for this one. Yeah I I don't know there's something about the way that Adam said you're like why are you? Keep apologized to me. He said you're too sensitive. Ben That just had me going as much as the jury did. It was such a burn. It was I love. It really is like whatever so often the little brother kind of kits Javid even if it's not like totally effective. It's just you can tell Adam was like I got him there that that was great. I love the fact that they were yelling over one another literally. Everyone else's whispering around them like they did knock the message and they just decided to start. Just start an argument long distance. We'll everyone else's was exiting. Felt like like when you're a kid or I guess it could happen now but like you're having dinner at someone's house and you're watching your friend. Get in a fight with someone in their family. And you're just there you're jeff or the audience in this case and you're just watching them an argument and there's nothing you can do. You just have to be there because you're eating dinner and and they just somehow have forgotten. There's a guest air. Yeah they just forget. All decorum just goes out the window. Just GONNA fight regardless of what's happening around. Yeah like the the two parents sitting at different ends of the table and just like very passionately needling one another while. You're like this pizza's great. Mrs Niebler I have to go home after this. I hate all right Liana so this Tyson. Sit down look over and smile at the jury before or after. Adam tells Jeremy that his vote doesn't matter when asked who he's voting for. I remember the atom thing. I don't remember the Tyson thing at all so I'm GonNa say the Tyson thing happened before that is correct Tyson. I DREAM ENOSIS UNTIL THE REWATCH. Tyson has a moment where you just walks over. Sits down and smiles at the Jerry which is like I mean this is this is edge of extinction right here man. He spent so much time with these people who are now jurors confiding with them like this is craziness right guys. My new friends. I spend so much time on over at this desolate environment. Can you believe this shit? I compass while the Jeremy's Adams who you're voting for Jimmy goes who are you who you voting for it because it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if it's a little bit Adam. This is part of your game. I don't want to spoil it but when Nicholls like yeah I feel better and Adams like well now. I don't feel better. Yeah because I was just told that it wasn't me it's nick. Nick feels good than I should do. Not by proxy right all right so you know. It's going to figure out how to vote at that point. He told me to help him. I'm sorry yes I'm ready to go. You woke up to the right on your name. He reads the books. And then you go. That's the thing I did. We watch that and in that moment it seemed like Adam cadre broke for a second where he got even he had to appreciate Tony. Tony Redford you. Put it there one atom being a fan too he gets to live out this Tony Moment in realize how amazing that must've I want Tony. Splaine to become a thing of like. Oh Tony pick a knife. You spread it. I think I'M GONNA train all my students that way now is and in that voice. I think really is so specific. Because it's not quite man splayed in it's like I mean I guess you could but it's like this jokey like very literal fruits for the most rudimentary activity that you know you've already done is what you do. You take a breath you breathe out. But there's also sarcasm to find kind. I feel like he is helping. But he's definitely making fun of you so there's a party that thinks that. Tony walked away that conversation. I helped him out. He didn't know how to do it. I helped him. He knows how to write your name. Listen Adam again silence before or after Boston. Rob SAYS IS GONNA be major therapy needed on the edge. Okay Okay so the Silence. I believe was followed by Adam Sane. Okay let's vote and I think the man just heads entail. I'M GONNA have to trust heads before tales after before it's before coin. Did you right right to answer before I love you. Okay if I've ever somehow on that show I'm one hundred percent taking fifty fifty coin and I'm GonNa look at the camera and say thank you. Mike Bloom it is worth the four fire tokens. Absolutely cut that out. Because it won't make any sense but I'll do it. You put enough finger. So congratulations spite getting on the board at the very end there Dave Liana wins by a resounding score of two to one. Well be honest. That's gotta be the lowest ever. That's gotta be the Lowest Possible Games in the past. I feel like this is like around the types of scores. I mean we did. Ask Twelve questions at cumulatively. You've answered three of them. So twenty five percent. I'll take yeah. We did worse than a fifty fifty coined by you know what that's fine. Taking pride statistical like I feel like I didn't do so well a math. Maybe this is part of it. Maybe I'm just doofus. They thought I was. But I feel like statistically that's almost harder to do than getting fifty to sixty percent so I'm taking pride in our today. We're just so impressive. Amazing just all right well. Speaking of math we are going to hop on over to the next game that I have for us today. Which is I? Don't even know how whatever this is. Survivor goes to sesame street. Okay and I had this random idea to cast the survivor players this season as the cast of Sesame Street and so I asked the audience if they could help me out and so what you guys are going to do is. You'RE GONNA try to guess who the audience thought is most like certain task or I guess from Sesame Street Okay. So was there any any? Where did this seed come from this? Come from anything the episode or did you just repurposes from some other. Random thoughts drifted into your head. No there was a confessional. That ben has after talking to Sarah. It's the one before the Atom Ben Jungle Kerfuffle or before this was before Mike was before or after the younger jungle curve and he sounded just like cookie monster I was like. Doesn't he sound like Cookie Monster? Hutton never left my brain for the rest of the episode. And as soon as I was gone I was like okay. This has to happen now. Can someone now do remember that episode of the Office when they edited heaven? Yes talking like mantra. Can someone do that with Ben Now? With confessional yeah. That's a big. That's what we need because his voice got Super Raspy somehow and he just. You sounded just like the cookie monster and this was not eating the fortune cookies I was gonNA say. He's buying into a lot of people. Compared him to Mike Holloway. Preseason Mike Holloway's place now. He's really taking that wholeheartedly. That's right he's living up to it. So what I did was I like. I said I sent a survey to our audience members. We got six hundred Brisson survey which is thought. Okay I was going to ask. How have you done this sort of like new? What will be the advocate? You haven't all right. What's the baseline said waters here? Dave even better especially we really went all out for you I also. I laughed a twelve questions which will go through and I also left an open response comment section which. I got some wonderful responses like what and off which. I don't know what that means. I also got why which is a great question that I'm constantly asking people dance are out to. What did you say like any questions or did you just like put a blank box in there and they entered whatever they want other? So how does it take to compile? Those is there a baseline of sesame street like is there? Is They choose from. There's an other or did they and they choose from ten other ones for instance actually write in another sesame street character or do they just to write in question or the Word Buff. No so some some people did. Some people did so for example Let's see there was some characters that I was not as familiar with but Guy Smiley. Is that a character that anyone knows a lot of people thought. Jeff Pro Sorta like the commiserate sesame street host a game show stuff and he dies smiley would always be those and I think he was a newscast for as well. Okay Yeah I mostly watch Barney and I watched a little bit of sesame street so I have to say. I was a little an uncharted waters. Which makes even less sense as to why I chose to do this. Even better he clear neither here nor there but we also got a lot of compliments. So thank you all for filling out this ridiculously insane survey where one of the couple of it look like. I'm sorry to get wise relations. Yeah there was a feeling love you guys like great idea love you. This is the content. We're here for best. Serve ads ever taken. You know so. We got a lot of which we definitely appreciate. It allows us to do insane things like this so again. Shout out to all the listeners. Thank you so much Trindall. Djing me and my bizarre weird concepts and ideas. I don't know wherever else I would be able to execute. It feels like you know. The railroad sisters do a lot of like hogwarts house sorting. We're sort of doing a sesame street sorting challenge. Yes sure I this is. These are the kind of exercises. I I always love to bring it to make it about me again when I took casting what I went through. I was doing hogwarts. I was putting people in houses and so when Malcolm came along and sort of doing that in his season like three or four seasons later I was so mad. It was another thing that could have been me. So whatever now do you think do you think they also tried to make? Malcolm the Jewish bag You know I I. I remember that Malcolm going into Philippines. Branding himself he's like I'm going to be a big villain. I think honestly he may be would have worthy circumstances matt sing not possible because then he started just became like an unlikely under. I feel like going in. He was somebody who was trying to play that. I guess I feel like Malcolm was was sort of cast in kind of fine art type but he was kind of that rare sort of like. What's it called when the when like? I guess it's sort of evolution but something unexpected happens with actually a good part of the like the evolution of survivor like a break in DNA okay. I don't know anyway. Happy little accident. He's a gas term exactly. It was like a happy little accident. That's let's get back to preschool. Serves me out so I feel like Malcolm actually created art type by through that season through the circumstances that happened as you said with seeing? I feel like after that. They tried to cast more. Malcolm's so that's always like a really cool thing when someone becomes something that again. Cassie never could have predicted like Ben and Adam being prisoner brothers. Well here's some casting that I think we should do. Let's play. Let's play this insane game so the way that the scoring is going to work it's going to be kind of like family feud so what. I'M GONNA do is. I'm going to ask you a question. so for example. And I'll let you get a head start on thinking about this. The first question is which season forty player is most like Elmo and then you both will come up with an answer and you'll go back and forth and then depending on the person you said that's the number of points that you'll get depending on what the audience said so. Let's say for example. The audience said You know a hundred people said that Amber Mariana was most likely to be Elmo than you would get one hundred point. Okay okay. It doesn't matter it doesn't on it. I have a piece of paper. I'm gonNA write down some numbers and at the end you'll get a score okay. Unconsumed tokens get ends with like thirty thousand points by the end of this. Oh well yeah I mean if you think about it. Six hundred people answer the survey so that means for each question. There's up to six hundred points. Technically be available. Just GonNa pull something off of my wallet and give myself points so it's fine that's allowed the actually have been holding on to at the door now that you played earlier accounts for thousand points matures goes pilots does exactly. You're already ahead. So congratulations but all right okay. So let's get things started so like I said the first question is which season forty player is most like Elmo and this is all twenty thousand forty players. Okay so not just the ones that are left in the game all twenty and Mike. I'm GonNa go to you first. Who Do you pick as Elma? Would you cast really think the audience acid remember? It's it's gotta be Adam. It's gotTA BE ADAM. He it's like he's supposed to be like three years old like very very exorbitant. Like I feel like it's Adam to a t and it's such recently by as well the perfect combination. Okay so mike you chose Adam Dave where you going to pick and you can't also pick atoms. Sorry I can or cannot you? CanNot okay all right. Well I did initially think Adam but my second guess weirdly. I don't know why I don't know if there's some innate like something in the back of my brain from when I was a kid watching sesame street but I kind of feel like. Tony is a little bit of an elbow. I don't know where that's coming from. I just feel like there's something sort of like the way he explains. How Tribal Council works like. He's just there to help you out there too. He's happy he's glad he's there and he's just going to get you through the episode house you think of when you're gone okay. So Dave is really good logic. Tony actually came in third overall as the person who the audience thought to be Elmo with ten point nine percent of the vote. The second place contestant was Ethan's on with eleven point two percents go just the the the Asan's the fact that it begins with E. as well. I have no idea maybe I would. I would almost guess that I feel like also. Ethan is just so likable. Maybe elmo is the most addition to what atom brings to. Elmo is just such a likable character. And that's what it is. We're so far removed from tickle me elmo controversy that come around to being lovable again but I remember there was a period of time. People hate at Alamo. That's true. Oh my God that reminds me okay so a friend and I had a bet on a football game once and he lost the stakes of the bet where we got to pick a temporary tattoo for the other person. I made my own personal tickle me elmo Tattoo and where it was the greatest moment was so funny not that long ago like six months still alive and well all right. Well Mike you had the correct answer. The majority of people forty eight. I guess technically minority but forty eight percent of them said Adam Kline was most like elmo. Can I read a description of elmo off them up wicky or it was a three and a half year old red monster with a high pitched voice and contagious giggle? Enthusiastic friendly and cheerful always wants to be a part of everything that goes on however like most preschoolers sometimes doesn't have the skills or knowledge to do what he wants that. Oh I'm sorry I'm with that's crazy I would. I would give what I do. Have a little bit. I think Adam has the knowledge I think Adam as the knowledge but I I think maybe the season was lacking some extra skill. Who Does okay? Let's go on to question number. Two and Dave. You'll get the opportunity to answer this one first. So this is which season forty player is most like the cookie monster. Okay well I mean in some ways it could be Tony but it has to be then he just not even just the way he talks but I think there's just something about him that like I feel like if I was next to bend at like a barbecue. He would be eating the most. I almost said Jeremy. I should say the attorney. Sorry Okay Mike What do you think? Let me read a description of cookie monster's personnel. Thank you friendly and inquisitive cookie. Monster is curious attentive often asking questions about things. He doesn't understand it coming up with good examples for the letter of the day. He doesn't have a very strong resolve and will always lose composure. When in the presence of a cookie from that perspective? I feel like Ben's a good choice especially when it comes to like not having a very strong result. I guess as far as a backup choice. What's tough has Tyson's known for Hoarding Food? But I feel like Tony has more of that manic energy. I'M GONNA go with Tony Okay. Tony so you the guesses that you had ben and Tony were only one vote. Apart was had one hundred twenty six votes. Tony had one hundred twenty seven. Oh wow very close very close. I think everybody was on the same logic as the two of you except actually the person who had the most votes with Tyson soaking bandit thing really heard of him. Yeah Tyson at forty one point five percent of the voter two hundred forty eight. The one aspect. The food aspect is clearly Tyson but everything else. That's tough cookie monster by the way for home video. We did yes it was awful. I ant his hands friends who spoke. Help him move. Cookie Monster's like in a little bit of trouble as friends. Who helped him move? These guys are on either side of him. Let's call them guards. They were just there to help me. Three year olds listening. Yeah it was awesome. He was cookie. Monster Visits The Washington Post and we had a whole video. And that's actually. I'm sure you could just look up. Cookie Monster Washington Post but I- edited that video. So you can decide. If I'm a good editor based off of that video amazing. That was really cool. All right my witch season forty player is most like big bird and feel free to read the descriptions. This is very insightful. All right let's see here despite this imposing stature. Big Bird has a childlike personality. He's intensely curious about the world around him likes being included in activities and values his friends in early appearances. Can Neither read nor write alphabet became part of the plot. Line of Sesame Street. Who's the most illiterate in this past? That's a very good question. And I also the wikipedia page. That's his personality. Developed OVER TIME FROM BEING A dim slow witted character to the child. Like he's known for today really brilliant survivor producers have gotten big bird on their hands. Dave they would've they would've slotted him in right for season twenty three going this logic absolutely spot so I guess the question is like. I don't know who is big. Has a child like personality. If you like. I'm not really I feel like big bird is not necessarily someone who is known for their her senility. More so for their stature. Maybe I'll go for somebody tall ear. I am going to go. I'M GONNA go for Jeremy Collet's I have no idea. Why would I feel like he's very he's very like well-meaning lasted person? I feel like Keith. Confront show like people would be drawn to him much. Like kids across generations have drawn to big. Okay Dave what East while I. I completely agree that big. Big Bird has a term to describe. People is almost always based in like his stature. If were based off of the description you read. I might say Nick like from an episode back where he just kept appearing conversations. That was like very curious. Hello I'm here. That's kind of works there but I feel like Tyson is the person that is. He's already been a popular pick but I feel like big bird. Tyson that that checks out to me and that was a good guess. Yes you can't be repeated too so just because you don't eliminate people but yeah. Tyson came in second place with one hundred four votes. The top answer unfortunately Mike. It was not Jeremy it was Kim Spradley. And also because of the height yeah. I don't think kids Pittsburgh. Yeah yes she just doesn't like of course he's taller stature and like she often is like especially on this season when she's next to people she's taller than almost everyone but I just I can't get my head around her. Being big big tight is set days. Seven hundred fifty five tokens tall. They might be closer. Big Bird is eight foot too. Well so is it is their head looking at a picture bickford is. Let's say someone is playing big bird? Big Bird's real thing is the person inside a is their head below. Birds had. I'm pretty sure they like I. I think they're like little holes in the plumage they see out of and they're just operating the head above them interesting. There's an eight foot two Person Ping put inside. I really want that. I would really like. They have to get someone that that's that tall to be big few very challenging to cast people for that role. But my so mike to go back to your Jeremy Collins gas unfortunately only five percent of people thought it was Jeremy so that gives you twenty eight votes versus one hundred four for Tyson because the score matters are all right. The next character we have is Bert. So I didn't putt burden Ernie as a pair of individuals so this is going to be kind of interesting in this I will. I will say this dancer is all over. The Board Burton earn. You're kind of all over the board. There wasn't a runaway answer like there was cookie monster elmo. So don't feel bad about any of your guesses. Fair here is Timid and calm. Burt is an old soul reading pigeon stories over anything else is hobbies. Are All low. Key activities like tending potted plants and he doesn't often joke around with others. That's so Well first of all we had cats growing up named burt and Ernie except earn eat. Ran Away immediately. So this bird into the sesame street bridge took so anyway. Glad of the two you picked bird and he he was very Timid and I don't know if he was interested in pigeons but sometimes he brokered so Checks UP I. I don't know if I don't know if I want to go off description. I think I might do physical again. I'm just gonna I I kind of feel like if it was all over the place. You would've gotten to quite a few nick votes Sunday Nick. Okay and Mike What about you? I'm going to go with Sophie here. I feel like Sophie as someone who is a bit of a sobering presence like she is certainly jocular by like she has a very dry personality. And that feels if I have to choose SAVE CHEESE BURGER AND ERNIE. She's much more of a bird to me. Okay so you are both very close. So Dave you got fifty nine points with your Nick Wilson. Gas and Mike. You Got Forty eight with your Sophie Clarke. Yes so very. Close the winner. The p the person that people are the most was like burt was bendery. Bergen with eighty one votes to do with the adamant. Ben Burton say maybe show our hand with Ernie. Yeah so we'll see on that one. But the other top vote-getters Adam. Klein got fifty four votes window Holland. Got Fifty Eight Yul. Kwon got seventy So maybe those people read the description Mike and Thought you was the most like Bertha interesting. Yes well well. Let's move onto other half Ernie. So Mike what is either read? Ernie's description or what do you think your silly and energetic ernest known by everyone on Sesame Street? His characteristic laugh which can be heard every day good natured but naive. Ernie occasionally makes jokes when people aren't in the mood. He's quick to recognize his mistakes and apologize. This is Adam Klein as Ben said. How many times is he said? He's sorry and I guess like it could be a situation where they put the majority put Ben for both somehow but I feel like I guess if Ben has to be an atom has to be earning air Okay and Steve. What do you think that's good? I I guess a lot. The smart thing the flip of the coin would be to pick. But I'm just I'M GONNA say Tony. Because it based off of the description. That's a that's a very telling description of it's like. I'm so sorry like we just feed back into the backward quick so I feel like that's that's Tony more than anyone else. Okay so that. Tony was the third most packed with sixty six points. And then Adam was the number one. Pick off the board with eighty five. Nick Wilson was in seconds and then bendery Bergen in third year or fourth. Not Third. I could say Kinda has the Ernie hair a little bit. Yeah I love this game. It's the best thing. Okay let's move onto the counts. Dave you will have our first guest of the counts. He counts. I know about him. Well here's what. Here's a bit more of a disagreement about the count mysterious and grandiose the countless and always come around when he does he brings a lot of energy like there's a through line where they say that they're energetic because their puppets accounting rubs off on the people around him who generally join in the fun besides really enjoying numbers however the count is somewhat of an unknown. Okay I kind of wonder separately are any of the muppets or the sesame or whenever they are any of them. Just like lethargic does that describe Oscar's just tired. I'll say I'll say Ethan's on. I felt like that was my initial. I'm looking at pictures of the cast right now and he come. All the way is caller is there. Looks like you could be account so I. I think we can go with Ethan. The most like a vampire. Ethan's Yes twenty five. Starting I think people are going to look at a word count and assume something to do with numbers so I feel like it's going to be one of the Rainier people so I'm GonNa go with the you'll hear as the couch. Okay so this is a bit of a below out here. Mike. Yes you were corral. You'll was the dominant answer. Two hundred and fourteen or thirty six percent of the vote said you'll and it took me a very long time to find the slice on the pie chart that is Ethan beyond only five out of six hundred actually me. I know but I okay based off of the description. You're absolutely right that it's you'll but felt like him only coming around. I guess that's you'll never mind your actual derived unknown as it. Was there. Anyone I mean. Obviously people weren't close to you'll In terms of the numbers but who I guess was second in third. You'll the second to you. All was Rob Austin Rob with eleven percent of the vote and Sophie Clarke was in ninety percent of the vote. Yeah she'll yes exactly their two two peas and Sesame Street pod account got state to know steph. Sophie's left the load okay. Well David you talked about this. This muppet earlier Oscar. The grouch. Mike who do you think the listeners thought was Oscar the grouch? Let's see this is a big one? This is one of the muppets. Muppets Oscar the grouch. The scripture thick skin and stubborn Oscar keep the appearance of being annoyed by everyone. Seek really appreciates sesame street's or community I didn't know that about Oscar. Yes it's complicated characters. I think people are going to again. Look like the surface level word rouch. I think they're going to say Wendell Holland. Considering he has gotten the most negative edit in the season and Dave what are you thinking I would. I would have picked Wendell to exactly for those reasons. I guess. And then the second most sort of irradiated person maybe not grouchy is definitely been so I would. I would go with that okay. So Wendell was actually. The was. Not the top vote getter here. It was actually Boston. Rob Why take it up with the listeners? Approximate one hundred on three of them. Yeah one hundred thirty nine of them said Boston Rob. Although it was close Mike. One hundred thirty six said Wendell and sixty seven said Ben with Sandra Diaz twine also getting one hundred thirteen votes. Inter I I now. I can sort of see Boston. Rav Oscar at the crowds. You can I can't do I. Just looking at their pictures next to each other. I'm trying to put Robina Trash Canada. You just can't can't why can't see it description. What should secretly like? I think it's the idea that like Boston. Rob's kind of not being trash talker and Oscar trash and little by everyone back next. Everyone made the exact line of logic that everyone uses the Boston. Rob One hundred thirty. Nine people made okay right. So let's Let's get into our last question here which is not gonNA lie. This is a little bit of a crap. Shoot so good luck. Y'All this is snuffle up. I guess go season. Forty player is most like snuffle up. I guess this all the only description I see is this character. So large the two puppeteers required to portray him despite his size. Love is shock insensitive but also gentle and kind he has been compared to your from Winnie the Pooh in personality. He's gotTA lethargic one. He's energetic about okay. Ohi Bird he sounds like that. Talk White commercial from home alone two when they slowed down. The Voice of the high kids were home early like that. Soundbite is drilled into my head and it sounds like snuffy. Sure Mike All Right today. What do you got that reference? Okay definitely made that connection. I want to say I I just on the wiki page for the first sentences of even know what I'm saying this right Eloy Aloisi snuffle loftus more commonly no is commonly known as Mr snuffle because and short but I love it. They're like please call him Mr. They PROB- -stincts snuffy on the show. Snuffle off against what's going on. Do you think he asked to be called snuffle up a guest or psalm the Russo. Mary icon players old pepper. Hawk ran I WANNA be called snuffle off Jeff. I WANNA be a game changer. So for Snuffy Game Changer. I I'M GONNA DO. I'm GonNa do a Mike did. I'M GONNA make that leap in terms of just the words so I think Jeremy's a larger than life person and snuffy is physically large. So I'm GONNA say Jeremy. Okay Jeremy and Mike. This is a tough one. I think so. Snuffy is not only a very gentle and kind and lethargic being. I believe he's also invisible. I'm pretty sure he's big bird's imaginary friend that nobody sees except for him to go with. Ethan's on because Ethan is such a lovely person that feels like a collective hallucination that this person exist so one of the things that I love about doing quizzes like this. There's literally no way for you guys to cheat because this is an insane thing that no one has the answer to but somehow Mike Bloom you were able to guess the top answer for snow up against two very close for a lot of people. He only got ten percent of the vote. But that like that's insane. How pain that still wish I knew. I wish I could bottle what he useless. Skill to have also tokens. Can I have magic and Jeremy was in middle of the Pack Ish with twenty eight votes or about five percent of the vote so the other people that were most like snuffle up? Guess where Michelle Fitzgerald Anybo. Right he wants to be visible thing heart. Yeah did anyone. Anyone like get no votes on any of these. I'm curious like who is the opposite. Snuffy that's a good question. Yeah I need to be able to see these individually. I can't break it down like there's so many responses I need to somehow get the numerical answers I'll work our work on that. But let me reveal the final score the day you had five hundred and twenty point no adulation Mike. You won the game with nine hundred eighty nine points. Essentially the same number of fire tokens that I've thought several people were going to offset a one tabet was born. That's crazy zone. Who drive gods? I'm taking the coin. Liana really assign. I should be on the if this was like actual survivor. I'd be on the edge like five games away from that because actually do want to before we finish things up Dave. I would love to the point that you made before. Let me see the floor to you because obviously like your line of work deals with in the Washington Post which more than ever has been you know very fraught with talk about current events and politics and since you drop that little nugget back in the beginning this pipe. I was so interested to pick your brain as to how you feel like one has not necessarily caused the other but definitely maybe has informed the way that we take in an approach ideas like politics nowadays right and you gave me. You gave me the sort of out I need. Which is I would say caused but I do think so. Much of what survivor. From the beginning I is has done is influenced To some extent American politics. So that's how I feel about it. I don't have like I can just tell you why I think so. And and you can draw your own conclusions but one sort of route in a crazy notebook is that maybe a more obvious one which is after the success of Survivor. Mark Burnett Amelie was like I need to make another reality show and one of the first things he did was create the apprentice. And I think something that a lot of people don't necessarily remember or even know or at all is that you know at that point by two thousand and four DONALD TRUMP. Now president trump was not as big a figure as he had been in the early nineties an eighties and the apprentice sort of brought him back made him this almost like folk hero on reality. Tv and another thing that people often forget is that he was pretty. Well liked those first. Few seasons of the apprentice almost nationally for everyone so that's sort of raised trump's way back all of a sudden he is a back in the American consciousness and as a as a figure of that. We're all sort of wear of and if WANNA talk about editing. The editor of the apprentice is insane. It's way more I don't know if manipulatives the right word but way more choppy and like very specific things than survivor. Where you know there's are you can read about this for a lot of the people who donated prentice will tell you that you know they just let a donald trump talked for hours and they ended that down to like five minutes so that was something where they basically. It was just like the perfect. Pr For him. Going forward and the apprentice was very successful. So that little you can take that strand and go that in some ways at least brought him to a level where people were very aware of Donald Trump by two thousand fifteen twenty six th and then on a broad scale if you look at the celebrity survivor especially those first few seasons. Where by the time we got to survive all star also should hundred four. You had all these people who like actual like not a-list celebrities but famous That had been on the show for seven seasons at this point and it was such a big heart of identity in America and I think a lot of survivors started. Not only just like the sort of how reality shows are now just that we the fact that we even have reality shows it kick-started that. I think it also kind of just kick started this thing of online fame youtube fain all of these things that now are integral the politics. It wasn't until two thousand eight that someone like. President Obama started using social media as a way to reach people. And I think that there is something there are some actual connections. You can draw to the sort of famous celebrity survivor brought to these everyday people that also worked in politics and people adapted in politics and use that to help win elections so I really think survivor. Just still even though now. It's not the same. It may not have the same impact as it did then. I think it's still just this big staple of American culture and the effects. I think there is talk about butterfly effect. I think there's just rippling effect still of that show and you also go down just the other. Tv shows where again Survivor cameramen. They they went to go work on the office and that sort of filming in the office became very popular. That's why modern family is feeling the way it's filmed sort of mock you. Mentoring style lost was pitched as survivor but a scripted show so and then lost. Became this drama that all these other dramas have since replicated even now you have like A. What's the show? This is us has. The same sort of style is lost in terms of narrative. So it's I just think survivors has impacted so much like obviously. I'm obsessed with it just on the level of loving every episode and every season. But I think that there's just so much that it's done that you know. Obviously as a fan of might be a little bit bloated in my head but I think that their impact is crazy. Yeah and this conversation may be completely above my level of intelligence in pay grade and I don't WanNa create too much of a tonal shift but I did just WanNa pop in the fact that you'll Quan was the least snuffle up. I guess so. Oscar was perfect though. Because you'll was someone who was able to sort of parley. At least briefly you know survivor fame into his own government career. You know it's like a we writing it sort of cuts both ways. But I think he makes such interesting points Dave at like survivor. You know it was not the first reality show but it was definitely one of the first reality shows like make a celebrity out of a person and I think that is sort of like the idea of of sort of upstart politics. Right is like this idea of like. This person came out of nowhere. He's just one of you and me and look what they're able to accomplish. And I think that reality was able to easily bring people to the forefront in a very digestible format have these like soundbites and these bite-size narratives that you can easily digest. Two clinical gets annella person that I could very earliest. I could very easily see that. Segue into like marketability of a candidate for instance. And like how you package yourself you know. I'm sure there is not too big of a difference between help. People packers themselves when they're caucusing versus how you were told to package yourself when you were auditioning or survivor. You know size that the same thing but it's definitely like you WanNa present yourself as this to a certain audience. Yeah you're a survivor. Casting is bending their contestants like you would set a candidate you might be considering should run for that should be your vp or something like that. So there's I'm sure there's other parallels you could draw between survivor and other totally non-political things but since so much of my life is covering politics and and just living in the middle of Washington DC and everything it it certainly like. I cannot help but think of survivors. So much you can talk about more negative elections and how that feels like Russell hance where some people just love Russell because he was just stirring stuff up so there's just so much there that is you can very clearly see parallels and how people are presented and I think he really put it well there with the sort of get an idea of a person like a quick snapshot and that's what people are kind of hungry for now is just like something that a character that they feel like. They understand immediately Sometimes based often edit or just their charisma well let's get into our final segment here each and every week on the question of the week last week's question of the week In honor of the new fire token menu which even option to write a note someone currently on the edge of extinction at this point. I have no idea if anybody is going to be decided to deal with the show while decided to write some letters of our own. A some are from the perspective of the castaway. Some are just from their own perspective but we got a lot of great answers. Let's get down to it. I from no lux given on twitter. So they they sort of prefaced by saying the idea is worse now that poverty has got her butter. Tyson doesn't know that so they say Tyson gets to fire. Tokens can send her a map or he buried his on the edge of extinction. You think Tyson was able to a peanut butter leftover and be buried in on the edge of extinction. Yeah that's a good point. I didn't even think there's no. He ate all that peanut butter. It was a lot of peanut butter. But also you're starving his cookie monster that we've been. He probably just got a bunch of peanut butter all over him. Because if I remember correctly that's how cookie monster cookies. It was just like Mama Mama and not have a hole in the back of his throat so I think that's just naturally went. Oh I see. I didn't understand that but his friends were there to help him. Right And other animated friends John. John says a letter. Michelle would right is a dear John type letter and she would apologize to Wendell. That are kicking. It didn't work. They tried. I do wonder Good good I wonder I I know a lot of people were kind of. This is sort of related to that but like kind of bum that the sort of Michelle Wendell thing just took a weird hall window was voted out. I'm not convinced that Arcus over I don't think they would have gone through so much composition and everything of that story for us just to end like that. I feel like in some ways window is still yet to help. Michelle out or Michelle is still going to the edge like. I don't think it's over. I really think that that's sort of a like there's so much left to play there still the edge and I don't think we've seen the last of these two together on TV because we never would never got a conclusion to the storyline other than everyone. Dumb idiots voting out wendell thing bath yeah exactly yes. Monkey-face bats to I would also say that This this nobody wrote this down but I wonder if like they should have written a letter. If you've ever made her weight edge of essentially she could start an advice column and you would write letters to her being. Like what should I do? Denise I want him to like me but he just said oh I would absolutely trust any is too so I would do that. These Parker Shimla wrote in Eastwood. Just write a letter telling everyone how she voted out. Sandra Yeah Yeah I I. I Love Denise I have to say like I even though that's basically I can't remember anything else. He's done this season. I feel like we are so lucky to have denise back we're forever she contributes. If it was voting Sandra. That's still pretty Versus SAYS STEER BOSTON ROB. Remember last time you took an MBA to the end and she won that again take Klein Not Scott or Adam but Kline why more win come on Buddy sincerely Klein fondly showed his hand at the end there with postscript but yeah I like that Idea Adam. Pleading Boston Rob. Don't take your wife to the end again. Please take B. Yeah I remember remember like a show type of thing Dancing says to you'll it turn? I have attached a copy of the new fire. Chicken menu and the most recent fire token totals of all players currently participating in the main game. Please advise me on the optimal move. Thank you yeah. I love inkling. Lean inclusion of the tea. You'll it may concern which I think I should just start including on all emails now. Just anybody notice g mail default where you just have on many right to you`ll. It may concern embarrassing emails to the guy who covers TV at the post about survivor. That he's never responded to so this wouldn't be we start to get really get in there if you write to. Hewlett MAKE INSERT IS. At least he's interested in like wow. This man is a weird understanding of the English language and he finished with. What does that mean? What a Hottie. Logan said Dear Boston Rob. I'm sure you're doing well as we are assuming. Spooning with amber is more fun than doing so with banner atom after voted out. We want peanut butter and Jelly and never went back to travel council. Maybe if you had bought peanut butter like Tyson. You would've won the challenge seriously though peanut butter can win next time. We need you to Babysit Ben and Adam so childish and in knowing signs the Yarra girls. I guess our our Sophie and Sarah in this case. Yeah well yeah with all the babysitting it makes sense montage. That was very sort of. Jt writing a letter. That was clear my head but we'll put a pin in that is there's references to that later on but I pushed another reference here from emily. Dear Jury Sam the first night at bed when you left Ron made out with two girls and put his head in between a cocktail. Waitresses breast also was grinding with multiple fat women. When you left crying at Clutch Ron was holding hands and dancing with a female took down her number multiple people in the house new. Therefore you should know. The Truth. Uses information wisely? I Love The Jersey Shore Raffarin for those. That don't know I believe this was I've lived this is what J. Wow and snooky typed on processor. That was in her apartment. That's the Sammy would find to read. Yeah thank element. I was very easily. I read this. Is this the wrong email? Yeah this is the Jersey shore survivor crossover that. We didn't know we needed. I love it I mean. Do you think there is some appeal in making an anonymous note and like pretending to leave it out of deer? Adam I can't wait to go to the end with you. Signed anonymous yes I mean. I don't know what happened but that that's good. Tv might as well try Thai. Says if I were still in the game I'd probably a letter to the parents on edge of extinction using my kid like rhetoric in handwriting. I proceed to write an open letter to my parents. This would hopefully convince the parents on e. to raise the white sale as to go home to their children ensuring that if I were voted out there would be less competition to come back in the game. I hope this doesn't come across as creepy as creepy. That's incredible it. I I was like this is the more I thought like no. That's actually if you're I mean there's no way you can pull it off but if you could. Could you imagine like how angry Boston Robin everyone be by soccer game next week? Please come home. Was IT Kim Salmon Sad? Because she was away from her kids so this is not that far off. Yeah now we have. We Have Big Bird Lyn Byrd lend. It looks like anybody that gets them. Kim gladly next week as everybody because spoiler alert. I don't know if you guys have watched. The previews up family visits happening next week. Oh Gosh I saw that. Yeah I guess. I think I've read on Reddit that I don't know if this is true but Tyson had convinced production that you should be able to like. Have your kids visit or something? We haven't watched the preview. Like everyone's like young kids. Charissa like prepare for the waterworks. Are GonNA fly on and offscreen. Because as I mentioned there are so many parents that are still in the game and have like your entire family. Run Out Holyfield so much more different than having just one person run out Your I think didn't he say in the preseason. He wanted to be the only one and then he was going to get mad. When everybody's kids were out there something because they made it a rule for everybody. I make that up. I might have made that up to be honest. Might have made that up. That's also. Yeah all right Sean. Janelle Great Sean Janelle source of many eight. Bit Fantastic greatness on his account on twitter with survivor wrote. I might have thought at the most useful letter you can send the edge. It would require some David Wright style handwriting slash ordering skills but if you mailed this poverty or whoever you felt the best social player on the edge was you'd be gold and it goes like this. Congratulations you have received a bet online. Random winner pick reward. If and then you write your own name wins. The most if final tribal council and his name soul survivor. You will win one million dollars. I love the Bat. Online inclusion include a sponsorship their right to make its sanctify. But I love this idea of like okay. You want to convince people to win because it's in your best interest. This is a secret side. That's going on have you. Can you back the right horse? Yeah this is definitely some island of the idol stuff right. So that's good. I think I feel like someone like Adam would take it seriously. Because he's the type of person where even if you think it's fake. He just based off his podium play. I have to take this. Listen why not. I bet online challenge skeptical finished things off. Let's go with Craig. Falcon Ham and shelley turned both wrote something in the same style. So I'm going to combine it all in one here reading complete privacy harvey. This is a huge turning point in this game. This is not fake. I wouldn't waste your time or mine just by competing against you in the few handshakes we've had. I feel like I can trust you. That's hard to find in this game. Hopefully we are on the same page. I'm sending my fire tokens for you to purchase an idol. An advantage. Get back into the game once. You're back in that night. Everyone will write your name down. Act like you know you'll be going home. You must stand up and play it right before. Jeff rates votes. I think you should write Ben's name down and sent him home no matter what. Can you play the idol? You're safe for the entire tribal council. It'll be safe with me and then we can work ourselves into the final three. Hopefully I can trust you and you're not truly a villain. Let's do this together. See you soon Klein. He s destroy this right. When you've finished reading I forgot how fast that letter is seriously really. Is I for overtime. I'd I'd started to give credits and JT. Or I was looking to move but I I think my favorite is him giving instructions on. What going for justice? Tony Splits. God thank you. Yeah I it's atom of the season or vice versa. Is that what's happened here? I feel like I kind of feel that way except I would say that. Not too much shade onto atoms. Actually Asthma is a pretty universally beloved when I would actually say maybe Wendell is the JT of this sees someone who is like a pretty universally liked winner in like a pretty praised game sort of gets knocked down a few pegs his second time out like. I feel like that trajectory but I feel like maybe combine that with Adam it making a making the big swings and end up missing unfortunately snuffy just a little bit snuffle up against Mr snuggle up against us with the torch suffer. Snuffy Real Mr. Joey does no. I really hope. I hope somebody went survivors. All over puts googly eyes on the torch and turned into a new. That's Mr Snuffy to you Mr Shelby soon. For next week we mentioned this beforehand. But look when you provide fortune cookies on survivor that fell right into our laps. How can we not make a question of the week that is to write a survivor fortune? Cookie in whatever manner that you want to sky's the limit here. We ARE SUPER EXCITED. Because we're going to keep on keeping on the newcomers to the BNB. Next week we are joined by someone who has experience with edge of extinction but not directly with the island. Herself we are super excited. Lauren O'CONNELL from survivor season. Thirty eight is the debut the breakdown episode ten we get into the double digits here and I'm very excited to subject. Laura all the silliness on this podcast. Just tell her that. There's no way she could do worse than me. In the Games that pot Lavar for everyone. None of us are good at this gave. This was an an immense amount of fun. I had no idea about your survivor origin. Story and connected to the show between ringing that and your your effluence and energy that of the only superseded by like eighty percent of sesame street characters it was truly a delight. Have you on people who want to follow? Whatever you're doing out there and these crazy times that we live in how people catch up with you on social media just at twitter is my number one in everything I do. I put into twitter so my talk account run the Washington Post Talk Account. I put all this. Is there every day twice every weekday at Dave Johnson the J. Org and my last name Joe so when that was a game? I'd lost that too but yeah I do goes on twitter there and you know I've a lot of fun there and I occasionally tweet survivors so please interact with me because if you do and that description you just gave me. I'm going to put it. One day verbatim survivor biofly ever get on specifically. I'd be rooting for ill. Good good also. Thank you guys so much. This was so much I knew it'd be fun but I like I really had a blast and like I said it's so great to talk to just You guys in general but survivor fans and obviously longtime General Arhab fans so this is really a dream come true. The pleasure is all ours man. Liana what have you got going on all around the reality. Tv podcasts fear. So you can find me on twitter at Liana R. H. A. P. I am podcasting out the mass singer with please and Akili we wrapped up the fire. I four of the final eighth or some fucking sing along episode next week that I'm so upset about and I don't even care at this point fun thankfully I'm also talking about Paul's drag race without welcome on and Amman Adleman. We'll be back to talk about all things Madonna soon. So look out for those in their respective feeds sing along but these are even bro. I care like this season okay. There were there were ten episodes last season there. Eighteen episodes this season one of them is a road to the finals. Recap excited of a recap on the best thing as it is a sing along Mike if they're gonNA replay the previous performances and put the words that the little bouncing ball at the bottom. That's all we're talking about your people she should we do a BNB sing along where we knew of him? America's song and they like we. We do audio version of the bouncing ball sing along with a lot of heroes healers hustlers song that we're going to do the winters war. I'm sure we can come up with a couple others because apparently we all need more sing alongs during warranty and Brian. Bergen Joe Man. I'll I'll try to get their gills contact and fill the nighttime with me at a Mike Blue. You can check out the stuff. I'm doing what survivor. Over on parade dot com slash tag last survivor. I should have an atom Klein interview with you coming out sometime soon. With a fellow millennials versus Gen. Xer maybe I can get their thoughts on it possible song or their season as well also covering hop chef here on reality. Tv wrap up. I'm covering lost. After mentioned show over on Po show recap. I'm also doing a US a very special series recap of Shits Creek with the Great Shannon. Gus Very excited about that recently ended its run last week and I cannot wait to break it all down doing some other stuff in the meantime as well so be sure to check out everything that all of us are doing. That's going to do it for this week on the H. A. B. 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