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04:00 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 24 2018 18:00 (EDT)

"Progressive presents Tom's inspiration to help you do insurance stuff. Okay. Time out gonna let your budget the boss of you. Take a draw with progressive name your price tool. Tell us what you want to pay for car insurance. And we'll help you find options that fit your budget. Here's some music to get you pooped down down down down. I hear your budget laughing at you. Oh, wait. That's just those kids laughing at me. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and cover tonight's by state law. AP radio news. I'm going to the US capitol. Police investigating a suspicious package found at a facility screens congressional mail before it arrives on Capitol Hill. That's David follows California Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters, saying her Washington office was the target of a suspicious package. It was not immediately clear if that package is related to explosive devices sent a former President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton CNN and others. President Trump has denounced the mailings extremely angry upset unhappy about what we would this this morning, and we will get to the bottom of it. Two people are dead in a shooting at a grocery store at a town outside Louisville Kentucky. This woman tells W L K Y TV she made it out of the store. Okay. But others didn't and. I'm just so sad for all the people whose children didn't get out get out. We were lucky. Really lucky? Eric deacon, an emergency medical technician who happened to be inside the store tells WDR BTV he heard gunfire saw two men run out shooting each other. He then saw woman in her mid fifties or early sixties get hit taken said he went to Starr CPR on her. But realized he couldn't help police did not confirm. If other people had been wounded, another big slide today on Wall Street technology stocks along with media and communications companies led another big sell off on Wall Street today. The Dow fell six hundred eight points that's two point four percent to twenty four thousand five eighty three the S and P five hundred lost even more just over three percent dropping eighty four points to two thousand six fifty six while the tech heavy NASDAQ gave up three hundred twenty nine points. That's four point four percent to close it seven thousand one eight with today's losses the SNP and the Dow have given up all their gains for the year. I'm Ben Thomas. This is AP radio news. News one ticket sold in a convenience store and Simpson Ville, South Carolina. The sole winner of last night's more than one point five billion dollar mega millions drawing state lottery official. Tony Cooper says he's at a loss to explain what it's like at his office as well. As the store that sold. The winning ticket has been a beehive of activity into to probably explain it. I'd have to make up some words, I'm gonna call it pandemonium. John affiliation Cooper says a winner should sign. The back of the ticket put it in a safe place in seek financial or legal help the woman who came up with a thanksgiving staple. Enjoy by millions. The green bean casserole is dead at Ninety-two Campbell Soup. Officials say dorks Riley's dish whipped up for a nineteen fifty five AP feature is the most popular rep recipe to come out of the company's corporate kitchen getting two point seven million visits during last year's holidays. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news. How do you? You feel about your office. Is it just a space for employees to work? Or is it a space for your employees do their best work when you're in the right space? It can bring your team's closer together. And be where the best talent wants to work when you're in the right space. It can make your life easier. Whether it's a new HQ or a satellite office with we work. You can find a space that works for you. Visit Weadock oh slash space matters to learn more.

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702: Get back up stronger when you are knocked down

The Ziglar Show

48:07 min | 2 years ago

702: Get back up stronger when you are knocked down

"Welcome to the ziglar show. I'm your host Kevin Miller. This is our Q._N._A.. Show every week I post a personal development question on my facebook page at agent K Miller to hear the real world testimonials people's journeys to change and grow in this episode. Our topic is around an age old cliche literally we hear a sort story Lori and message from Zig Ziglar that wraps up with him stayed in a core value for humanity is how fast you get up after being knocked down. I think I can safely assume everyone is heard this. If you've ever played football I can guarantee you've heard it but do we take it to heart. Do I take it to heart. I mean here's the deal in point of the episode. If nothing hard happens tends to you you aren't stretching yourself that much you're playing it safe. which is your choice but if you are striving which by listening to this show I can assume you're you're gonNa have some trials things that don't work out for you and in your lifetime you're going to be victimized? That's going to happen to everyone at some point and the point isn't staying in a bubble. It's going going out and at some point having your bubble burst so the value of our goes to how you recover do you get back up. Do you do it with hope you get up with hope and and faith instead of bitterness and cynicism do you allow the trial to strengthen or weaken. You is ultimately the foundation here so from Zig message message that you're going to hear I posted this question. What is a failure? You've had or valley you were an or trauma you've recovered from that. You're proud of and better for and what was the catalyst for your overcoming we heard about recovery's from abuse and Financial Valley's infertility death of loved ones and much more and I was joined by Michelle prints talk through all your comments we also address some big issues in regards to why some people bounce back and others don't and we get into muddy water with the concept of God being in control and having a plan. You're gonNA find this pretty affirming message. I've got a favor to ask and something to offer in return. Helps me when you share the ziglar show with others on social media of course and when you leave a review wherever you access is your podcast but this takes your time so what can I offer you and return you. Tell me seriously share the show or write a review then send it to me. Tell me at K Miller earlier at aware B._C.. Dot Com for aware broadcasting and tell me how I can help you answer a question. Maybe give some advice help you find a resource source. I'll do the best I can. You tell me zig says will help each other. Get what the other ones all right before we dive in and we're GONNA start with Zigzag eggs message we recently conducted a listener survey and part of it as what products and services you were interested in from that here are few you've all surely heard about my mountain biking addiction and how much I love my candidate cross country mountain bike will new from candidate is the treadwell. It's the the ultimate easygoing easy riding bike for any day in anywhere it's light comfortable even connects easily to your smartphone via the free candidate APP APP to track your ride data. Let you know when it's time for a tune-up and more experience a treadwell checkout cannon Dale Dot Com Slash Ziglar to find your our local candidates retailer and try one for yourself plus enter to win a new treadwell cannon Dale Dot Com Slash Ziglar. If you're feeling stuck in your job check out Bank of America's the Academy for Consumer and small business they help you develop a long term career path through group peer mentorship immersive programs and a variety of clear and distinct pass. You can reach the next level in your career. Take your first steps towards a long term career. PATH CAREERS DOT BANK OF AMERICA DOT Com. I love the story of the one legged skier Special Olympics she was in competition. The final run her and one other skier and this other lady and skiing. I fell down and the second the latest said to herself into or France well. I'M NOT GONNA fall. I'm going to win this one. You can just count on it. Well is the tides of fortune turn. She literally did fall the other skier one and somebody said her well. She was just faster and this latest said Oh no she wasn't she just got up faster now. Success in life is not determined by being knocked down. All of us get knocked down from time to time it is determined by how fast do you get up and that's what we want to be looking at all right folks here. I bring you Michelle Prints and myself as we talk about your comments to the question. What is a failure you've had or value or an or a trauma you recover from that? You're proud of and better for and what was the catalyst for your overcoming here. We go all right Michelle as always I want to get through some of the comments here but I actually took one and moved it up to the top and I thought let's just hit the nail on the head or the maybe it's better to say the elephant in the room with this topic because it actually got me. This is an old. This is an old old thought of. We're all going to get knocked down. It's whether you get back up. I mean how many how many times has that been set on the football field and in training we all know that but we also live in the real world in our own lives and I don't think it's as cookie cutter sometimes comes across so I'll start off with Chris Johnston here he says anytime you've you've reached a low in recover one is better for it and I would say first off when can be better for it because he goes right from there. He says the question is why do we have loews and some people are hardwired to bounce back more quickly and completely than others. I got two questions issues with that. I guess but but I'll start off I mean we know that I'm sure you've heard and most people have been listening to this. Show that long. I've played it many times a clip where zig talks about the study that was done on world leaders world influencers huge names and the stat was something around eighty eighty percent of these world leaders world influencers were found to have come from illicit off a few things they had a sibling with a disability they had a disability they came from a majority came from poverty and so we can look at that and go gate hardship like that makes you makes you better can because for every one one of those people there's however many that were overcome by that and we all know people like that or have been there at some point in our life and I think we'll ultimately I to me. It's a holy grail question. I don't know how do you know because we see it in families where these kids flourish this one doesn't. I don't have an answer for it. I don't know that I I do we there but I do. I you're right see people that are so successful and they all have a back story. They all have something that triggered that success so maybe there is something to that when you go through hardship when you have something that you have to overcome whether it be a learning disability or something happened to you as a child or something like that those people tend to be more for it's almost like it gave him some perseverance to just push forward but then like you said there are people though that have been through that exact same scenario and let it destroy read them so what makes one person push forward and the other. I don't know I think the answer might be hope. It might be faith. That might be believing that this is you know this is in your message your message right. This is one that you had to go through this in order to have something else better but there was a guy so so I interviewed skip richer and a lot of you guys will remember his his show and the book and it wasn't necessarily the topic of the book but it stood out to me and I have reference the story many times his family wanted to serve people in need and I think they were going to do a mission's trip or do something and decided to expensive the family. They had a lot of kids so they decided to make their home in the mission they lived in a city can't remember what it was open their home to people to come in skip got front row seats to people who are let's just say down and out in hard times or as our question here was you know they've been they were in trauma Yada Yada and he got got to see people a very similar circumstances and one would recover and go on and you know have a fulfilled life <hes> you know in however they define that but but have some progress and another one would not and he really came out to some degree instead. Do they have a any. I'm paraphrasing araf raising a little bit a hope mentality prosperity mentality as opposed to a degree of victim mentality where you know your victim. You're giving your power away. They they still felt so personal power some personal responsibility and so they were able to take the help that he they got within his family there and go and progress progress but even there again I've seen families with the same parents and the kids do or do not have that perspective and we we see movies bubis where they make the showcase that I don't know an ultimately what matters is us us as parents but US individually because the thing that I wanted to pull out that Chris's statement made me think of that I haven't contemplated is I think we can look at this and say okay. Trauma happens into this person they recover and become stronger and better for it when it happens this person they don't. I don't know that it's cut and dry because thinking about my own life. They're things that have happened. Did I have learned from. I have learned a lesson. I have grown stronger. I've been resilient and I have progressed and then another area where I have not. I had a friend one time and I probably a decade ago and he said Man Kevin you know you're you're. You're great and successful in these areas but here's an issue and it was relationship. He says you're like a teenage rebel still like I don't feel like you've matured past that and he said it in love and he was right. It enabled me and I thought I I haven't matured there so again. Is this a cutter so I bet people are listening and you may have an area in your life where you did have a failure overcame at your strong and you have another one where you're not what you're still stuck in your still victimized in that still stuck in that trauma it was masten Kip the show that we did with him and his platform form is a majority of the areas we are stuck in our result of unresolved trauma in our lives and now traumas the big word there because trauma sounds catastrophic trauma can be somebody embarrassed me in the school hallway absolutely some of that stuff with you all your life and you you've made Bob Decisions and beliefs around it is something that you said because we can't really control what happens to us and some people are able to take what happens in new forward positively and others negatively but it really is. It's mindset more than anything and it's and it doesn't mean that every single time we have the right mindset because if I think all of us we're all just human and we're GonNa have times when we actually move forward pass a bad situation and other times. We get stuck like your friend was saying you still are from high school <music> but that saying it's not what happens to you but it's how you respond to what happens to you and I think we all would love to believe that we can handle it so perfectly and beautifully for me. I was thinking I love this question. Because I was thinking through What a failures and I think back to early early failures and now looking back and having the perspective had those failures not not happened? I would definitely not be where I am today at one of them. I'll just share in. It's going to sound pettiness. GonNa sound not a big deal but I was in high school and it was a really big deal L. to make the time I had my heart set on going to a certain call. All the Meyer brother went to that college. It was a big deal is the big one in my state and I just my whole life. It's new I was going there but I was not a very good student. So when time when push came to shove I didn't get in and I didn't apply anywhere else I mean I was devastated stated and so I very reluctantly had to apply to a local college that I did not want to go to but I thought well I have no other choice. I'M GONNA go make the best of it for a semester and then transferred down to where where I wanted to go and it's amazing what that one failure quote unquote and I really did fail. I mean I really could have done better in school. Led Me to a life that I could never have imagined because number one and that my husband at that school I did not want the GO-TO number two I got so involved in leadership in a sorority in student government and all of these things that literally creep crafted me into the person that I I am today and so much more that at the time such a failure. I'm such a loser you know all my friends are going to this grade school and I'm not and and now I look back with perspective so I if if we all get to that place with failures eventually we get the perspective of that had to happen. I can't say I have with all mine either but I think we can and so again. That's the point is. How do we apply this now right now? Some of US are are still stuck in certain areas of our lives in places. This is where we haven't recovered. We haven't become better for we're still traumatized victimized handicapped. Whatever how do we get the mindset to recover from that but then ultimately how do we have the mindset to deal with the things that are going to happen and recover and recover over wealth from those and it's a huge? It's a huge topic. I just got me again. Stuck on that thing up there I had I I had somebody point out one time and he was talking about guys he was talking about. I think football specifically but just kind of the manly man you go out there kick butts successful guys who are world killers and world sater's and yet I know some of these guys and you put them in front of their wife to talk about conflict or their emotions and their the weakest people I've ever met ever and so yeah we wanted to say. These people are rock stars and just pay him that way. Nobody totally is I think we need to see that. Maybe that can help us have grace for ourselves that no we are over over comers. We have overcome in an area. Maybe in the work area that maybe there's a relational area where we haven't or vice versa and we see that so often and it's almost schizophrenic with people and I think with ourselves and I do. I look at myself in schizophrenia kept. What is wrong with you over here? You are a Rockstar and I know that I am all all shamelessly <music>. I kick butt over here over here. I am a weakling what on earth so hopefully we can have one help us with the other but well. I'll hit a couple. We'll we'll keep chewing on this as we go through here and some of these team picked out worth things were people were. I'm going to call victimize something happened to them and in some other ways where they weren't they did something or they chose to do something or wanted to do something. This is a I'm GonNa put the victim Mandy. She says Huber. She says her issue was surviving. My childhood I grew up in an alcoholic home with domestic abuse by parents moved every year. My Mom married five times. It made me very resilient. Take no crap kind of person my motive for overcoming instead of being overcome was is she says stubbornness. Maybe there was no way I was going to live my life that way when I was making when I was making the decisions or make my kids live that outweigh huge motivator there. I love that reminds me the story. Maybe you'll remember it. I'm going to do a bad paraphrase zig talks about a wrote about and he was one of his books where two guys with an alcoholic father do you remember that one. It was something in the nature of the came out and one of them became just the C._e._o.. Success in the family success success in the business and the other one ended up in prison and they were both asking the ones that will gosh my dad's alcoholic. How could I not have gone the other way and the other said well? Gosh my dad's an alcoholic look. How could I not become him in the real world? I see that too with divorce I mean there are people that have been through two families have divorced in fact my husband then had come from a family of of divorce and I remember when we were even dating. I have family like yours. Kevin weren't my parents been married fifty years and so I never knew it any other way and I remember thinking like Oh you know is divorced going to is that a good thing or a bad thing to have that as a background and he had said he say it did the opposite opposite for him but for most people like like you're talking about with the abuse in makes you think like well. That's just the only way that's the way it's going to be whereas other people are so just it it moved them and shook them so much that they made they swear they will never go down that avenue again and I it you know I don't I don't really know the the answer and why certain things you know we. We have the ability to get through like that and other things we don't but it makes anything about it at the end of the day what this boils down to change in how well do you accept change what I mean by changes. How would you accept what you expected for your life versus what you got? It's change. It's different for what you really really wanted. And how quickly can you get past that disappointment to move forward on visualized to share this real quick. I saw this on facebook or something talking about changing it made me laugh out loud. It was a picture of a caterpillar having lunch with a beautiful butterfly flying wings just gorgeous and all this and the little sane under it was you've changed like not happy about like like what's happened to you know change do all the perspective right pillar or develop into the butterfly it is and I think I find myself as we're talking and looking at the responses here of trying not to get in where the personal development self-help motivation inspiration it so easy to sugarcoat this stuff or even. There's some people influencers today <hes> that a couple of people that I I like their message overall but I struggle when they just get really hard charging and just say you know you just buckled down and you just change and it sometimes those people I find out are really early strong here and then they're weaklings over there. I mean none of us are rockstars across the board so giving ourselves some grace to one aspect but then to be able to ask ourselves in grace and compassion for ourselves to recognize these areas we are we are not overcoming and go forward and I don't want to stick on the negative because we want to talk we we all we all love to talk about the over commerce. If you've got something you've overcome great awesome and but chances are that I know that there's anybody that would mark mark themselves off as a perfect ten in all their life and their areas in my life right now I'd probably across the board I think of business issues finance issues and I can tell you the successes successes and I can post them on facebook and those are generally what I post on facebook because we don't post the crap right and but there's issues in each button I go collie why I am I doing this. I interviewed or did another show matter of fact as of this recording it was just yesterday that we had a show come out with David Meltzer <hes> author of a new book and he talks in that show and we talked about it yesterday. When we recorded Acuna about the lessons that come up in our lives over and over and over he says if it happens over and over you're not learning from the lesson I it's not less than yet? It's still just a trauma that you're repeating being over and over and I see that in my own life something that comes up over and over and over again and there's the definition of insanity right doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Why am I not learning the lesson and changing and I gotTa admit I'm blown away always and again this is not to be this is like the negative shows anti ziglar show right? I'm not to be down on myself because I have great successes every day. I'm grateful for my own actions. I want to be proud of myself. Every day. I talked to my kids about that. My family that we need ethics proud of every day and some things where I can look over work. I have done better and there's not a day that goes by where I don't look at an area my life or an issue and go oh man I could have done that better. I did it again. When am I going to lower back to you? Change what we started where that's what we're here for. I think well and and the whole thing about the mindset to made me when you were talking about like a lack mindset or the people that I in fact it was just having a conversation this week with somebody about money and it was all about the lack of money in that there's just not enough and all that and it's this particular person was was a cycle. It's something that has happened over and over and over throughout their life and really can you can trace it back to something something traumatic that happened to his family when he was very very young so it's amazing I I'm fascinated by this topic because it really just goes to show the things that we minds that not necessarily are based on fact and yes something happened but you have to hold onto it to where you're your plagued by it the rest of your life so is that where you try to get help to overcome it. You know to get past something that happened. Unresolved trauma you said that from from mastic yeah yeah that's huge and that manifest in so many different ways physical ailments problems with marriages businesses etc and I just find that I so often just continue going forward accepting my limitations they just become my norm and I just kind of work within those and and finally something will happen. The Light Bulb will go on and I'll just be amazed that I have been blind to it this long and it's happened continually newly. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful that I continue to see things otherwise. I'm just going along like normal. I think happens we don't see about so I'm grateful but then I'm also got to the point where I'm GonNa. I've told the kids at this happened. I'm GonNa Be Ninety and I'm having a pithy and go. Oh my gosh. I cannot believe that I was blind to X._y._Z. for so long hey friends. I hope you're enjoying David Meltzer as he shares his habits. This is a quick pause to share some resources from companies that help make the show possible but it also products and services you as listeners told us you use need and want in our listener surveys so here you go real estate. Investing is known for a lot of things mainly making a select group of people a lot of money any but being an online cutting edge experiences usually not one of its hallmarks well. 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We have recently discovered some challenges regarding being able to grow our family. I'm assuming it's like a fertility issue. Although difficult trying to maneuver through everything I have already seen blessing blessings and we have received ultimately we know God is in control. We may not know what the final outcome will be but we pray for God to keep our hearts open for what comes we are being more open than we we ever have with ourselves each other about what our limits are of the few people in my life that I had chosen to share it with. I developed a deeper stronger and more personal relationship with them. It is also encouraged me to seek out others that are going through the same thing I have considered starting a blog with the intention of being able to help other people through my journey and it has has also made me be more compassionate towards other people and their situations. You just never know what silent wars people are going through. I love the grace and the awareness I I love that and that's I mean that's really truly the purpose behind the pain sometimes right knowing knowing that she's now going to be able to pass on what she's learned to help people through the most painful part of her her journey with her. You know China have a family. I I see see that all the time and I know you do too with people write books about what they've overcome because there's gotta be a reason behind. All this and we want to share it <hes> I that's where I think it it really is. Important is we all are going to have failures. We all have had failures and unfortunately we're all going to have traumas. We never got promise that were said that we will never be easy right. We will have troubles but it's it's kind of just how we can get through those troubles and taking what went what we went through and then learning something from it and then helping somebody else and that's that that that seems to be for me the key here in overcoming it doesn't mean you're <unk> over it but you're you just distracted when you're helping somebody else. Thank you for saying that over it. Because I also struggle we've used the term overcoming in this and I've talked about and other shows that have a bit of a soapbox with that word because I think we take take the word overcoming and we think of it as as eradicating and it's so seldom happens that trauma that that issue issue that whatever generally lasts with us forever the overcoming is going forward well. We interviewed Ruth Soup lately her book go <hes> do doing it scared and she talks about you. You don't get rid of the fear if you have no fear psychopath. You're mentally ill you have feared but go ahead and do it anyway. So we're talking about these things is happening and yet yes trying to change trying to have grace an awareness like Laura here emulates but is she going to get rid of the pain of what she's in right now. Completely eradicated overcome no fear probably not it's now part of her life. It's part of who she is. But how can she manage manage that and go forward. You know what let me share when I got a really cool when I want to cover here but I'll share something that's happening right now so I have a son who listen to these podcasts Caleb talking about you buddy. He's my oldest son is twenty four now or did you just turned twenty five but he had epilepsy as a kid till age twelve and he had it pretty severely had I think nine or eleven surgeries I can't remember <hes> I mean he knows he knows some of the worst of it of being out control of being a victim of asking why me and now here he is today and he sees areas where he stronger and and well you know gifted because of that he also sees areas where he is he struggles because of what happened back then he sees both so this is interesting about two weeks ago. Maybe three weeks ago one of my other sons my third son. He and his brother were doing some woodwork. People follow me on facebook. They see me. He posted woodwork stuff. These guys do and sell it farmers market and fairly new to us in a chop saw almost cut off two fingers so it's gone on today. He went to a children's Hospital in Denver. Them looked at and it was a bad prognosis that the skin has not come back. It was really bad. Cut It just died and sloughed off. He has he's huge dividends of no skin. He goes in for surgery tomorrow for skin grafts so here's my thirteen year old son who privileged life has had in all of a sudden he's faced with what is going to do this going to handicap him. The rest of his life and we're not sure yet and one of the first things is my other son Caleb said yeah well. I'll talk with him a bit because I know what it's like to feel like this is unbelievable. How did this happen to me so so he's GonNa use that? It'll be neat to see the gift of that journey for both of them per sern especially within the same family at brother Sherron with that's that's fair bill at that age too right because you're is such an impressionable age and this that will be interesting to see which way how does he handle this now. Will he see the perspective of it at some point or or he's in it right now. He'll be normal. He'll struggle struggle. He's in a little bit of that right now. It's just happening up going oh my gosh. I can't believe this happened to me like this. Doesn't it's one of those things that happens other people not to me and now I'm going to be fingerless guy or whatever it's so. We'll see how that plays out well here. Here's a good one. This has a couple of discussion points that I think are really really floor. Portent so stick with me on this one folks Brian <hes> here. He says I was only twenty three when my father passed away and I just graduated from College I was mad for Awhile mad at him for dying mad at the world and yes God to what really got me through was a discussion with a friend of mine. The conversation was five months after his death she she said a statement that just hit me at my core. Why are you questioning everything that has happened? Things happen for a reason Brian. Don't put a question mark where God has put a period period. God had a greater plan for your father now. He has a plan for you to you. Better get your act together and through your faith forge ahead and make the best of each day he said such powerful words from her that I remember nearly twenty four twenty four years later word for word she was and still is right. Every day is a gift and we make the most of every one of them okay all in all great but I'm gonNA. I'm GonNa pull out something and Brian this you know I think those words were for you. I'M GONNA Trust those those words for you. There are some hard words in there. I think for some people though things happen for a reason and God had a plan I have been I almost want to say unfortunate to know some people who've gone through some horrific things and the one that I'll tend to go to for the for the harshness of it is for those who've had a child who was abducted who was raped abused to take that and say oh things happen for a reason God had a plan and we went through a little bit of that with my son. He's talked about Kayla who had a seizure. We had somebody one time at a church amongst some prayer talk about the sin in our lives in looking at that as a result of our yeah I mean talk about some some hard stuff except appropriate I know but but now we're we're talking getting about faith and spirituality and that to to have faith that God is sovereign that God is all powerful and then that consummate question why do bad bad things happen and did God have a plan for that bad thing to happen to your kid <hes> because you know he had a plan. He has better things in the works. Christ's cried cried. We had that he did in the in the areas where he cried as he is busy pretending because he meant for that to happen or did he allow it we have to we have to I agree. I think that and I'M NOT GONNA go into doctrine here that he allowed it but were there some volatile words in there that have driven people away from faith from God from the church. When you say things happen for a reason God had a plan now again? I'm going to give that Brian those words were for him but for those folks who are out there ever really hard time with that yeah me too. It doesn't take me away from God. It takes away from how I think we have defined God and look. I think people have the best of intentions especially during a death but if there's when you're in that moment there's death. You can't say stuff like that in it not affect you. We've been through situations in our family. We had a tragic death in our family. <hes> in fact just Sunday. I went to a funeral my husband and I went to the funeral of a mom and dad were killed tragically in a plane crash together together left three children <hes> adult young adult children but just devastating devastating and that's how Chris's mother was killed tragically tragically in a car accident the exact same similar type of situation same age as one of these kids and I remember people saying things like that. You know that there's a reason for everything there's a plan and purpose in that moment of course you want to believe in a moment you're not there at the -sarily I applaud Brian for being able to to accept that and move forward because sometimes that's a really hard thing to do. Even when people have the best intentions yeah Yeah Hey I. I've seen this firsthand my my wife Terry Gosh. I don't know the time line about four years ago. It was in a really bad car accident. She was hit four times on some issues ice. She was hit it gave her some some issues that she'll probably deal with all her life some neck pain and some different things but she looks back on that and says it's one of the best things that ever happened to her because of what it did to her emotionally psychologically and helped her get over was a catalyst of getting through some stuff that she says I don't think I ever would've gotten through. I would have never faced I would never dealt with but the story goes on about two years later. She got hit again another accident. She got side swiped and and I think there was only two years ago. Maybe not even not even that Fargo that one she's not bitter about but I know she just questions like really really really I don't understand that and she has to fight a little bit of that feeling of of Oh my gosh my is is our target on my car her and a little bit of and she deals with some some fear of driving of Che's even like to go down that road anymore. She says she's not psychotic about it but she says I it. Just it's just bad. It's just some bad. How do we reconcile that? I don't know that she has she believes guides and controls. She believes God allowed it. Did he calls it and did he mean it for for her to learn something that it's a lesson and so many of us can come from that. Maybe we had parents who taught that that. Hey everything's a lesson you know you grow from it and learn from it man. Something's things just hurt some things you serve and especially when you don't think Asked why well here's one Tony Cooper. She lost a business. She said I lost a business and ended up over. One hundred thousand dollars in debt almost was lost our home and many other things I went through pretty deep depression. During this time I overcame it by building a relationship with Christ. My doctor actually introduced me to Christ and told me we there is so much more out there that I need to do. I didn't know that meant what that meant. At the time now. It's helped me more than anything else ever could in my business and in my personal personal life we paid off all the debt from this failed business at six years and a lot of lessons learned along the way we failed and succeeded in business. My husband says we've earned our P._H._d.. In lessons learned in business. I like that one because that's my story. I didn't go to school fairly got out of high school and I I went into business and I had some successes. I had some big failures. I think more of my wisdom if I can say that today comes from what what I did wrong then from what I did right. That's what I'm able to lean on and progress as a result of more so so these days so that's what my wife says yeah. You didn't go to school Kevin. It'd been better if you had blown one hundred grand there instead of however many hundreds of grades you did getting your your masters in business otherwise I can relate to that and I know so many people have been through that and when you you know this is tough because it's kind of it's your baby right so with your baby is if the baby doesn't succeed. I mean that's a failure. That's a death in a way so it's it's tough to get past that but I love hearing stories like Tony and and other people that when they have they in fact there are so many people that the big successful people of our day and age that they had huge food failures before they became a big success and so that just inspires me that gives me that gives me hope it gets other people hope that no matter what happens there is still. There's still an opportunity and it goes back to that hope. Do you have hope that things can be better or do you see this as the beginning of the end. Kinda thing will oh you. You bring up a good good topic. You're too because I know other people can also get the feeling like oh so. Something really bad has to happen to me for me to be success because you're right what you said. If I take a poll of the I think it's close to one hundred and fifty people influencers who I've interviewed now. The vast majority of them <hes> did come from somewhat difficult circumstances from the horrific of parents being shot down. Two things is that we would say. It's not too bad but for them. It was really it was really significant but the majority had pretty decent stuff that happened so I have people joke about that somewhat tongue achievements they got so I have have have hell happened to me for me to experience heaven and no it's interesting. I have talked to my kids about it. Michelle and I said you guys of course force. You know everybody wants to be better. We want to grow WANNA progress. One become parents. We WanNa be better to our kids. And of course we're not going to go be homeless. Just for the benefit of them getting strengthened. I'm going to do that but if they if they live a life where there is very little turbulence. There is very little trauma. There is some issues of what is going to give you strength and resilience so I've talked point blank with my kids multiple times. We talk about that that to some degree I mean there's a little bit of they're going. You have to learn to want something hard enough and to have strength and they're going to have to learn that without having to endure something terrible because we don't want that to happen. Yeah I mean I could die and they could be father. LISTEN THEIR TRAUMA BE. We don't want that to happen. I'm working so that doesn't happen but I don't know look at where you are. There is is a vast majority of people who are in this middle space where nothing hardest happy nothing biggest happen and it is hard to have a deep hunger to have of a deep strength. I think in there that's so I'm GONNA put it out. There is an issue I think that's real and that's true and you've got a judge where you're at and figure out. How are you going to get hungry hungry enough strong enough. Do you need to go bankrupt and a business to get stronger. Do you need to get divorced. You need to know obviously. None of us are going to go for that. <hes> I think thinks sometimes this comes as as go out there and go for something big to where it's going to be a challenge. That'll help strengthen yeah well. Nobody wants wants to live like learn the lesson right we all dread the lesson but when you do go through something you learn it so clearly if somebody dies in your life all all of a sudden you're so aware of how short life is and how relationships how important they are all those things. Would you have had that same perspective or or you know drive to really work hard in those areas if that didn't happen probably not maybe not so. There's good in the things that happened but nobody including be myself. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa have to learn the lessons the hard way but it's usually in those lessons that we felt propel forward once we get past all the pain the trauma and the failure. We'll hear all two different sides right here with a couple submissions. Ted Ted will he says recovering from alcoholism gave me the most life tools spiritual and emotional pain motivated me to overcome it. I was God's mercy and grace that is that's another side. Is that a victim and I don't know we could go back and go what caused. Ted's did he come from really heart circumstances and you know he's a victim of whatever and that drove him into alcoholism or did it not did you have a fine easygoing upbringing and he fell into that for some reason and then he's you know he's dealing with himself and it's not so much of a victim aspect. I Dunno as opposed to here's Victoria. She says I was physically sexually and mentally abused as a child. Jesus changed is my life. A Church family who came alongside me taught me to be a wife and a mother and a leader in my community I would not be married or where I am in my career for. We're not for my faith in the mentors. God has placed in my life. I mean there's a classic. She's she's a victim. We don't know people's stories you know what precipitated all all that and but either way it is. What are they going to do with that. I mean those are things I can't. I almost feel bad speaking do because I can't. I have not been I've I've. I've had a charmed life in regards to anything like that so have my children you know for the most part and the strength of overcoming something like that. I even people who've lost weight. I've never experienced that people have lost one hundred pounds. I have not to talk about self discipline. I actually don't know if I'm capable seriously I am. I'm a Foodie. I'm out here working my butt off and exercising because I want to be able to eat and to be at that place then they have the self-discipline at his. It's a strength but again. Those are the they're the exceptions that's absolutely George. Never recover good a and you just wonder why some people have that story and other people have another but it's I just love that she sees that has done something beautiful and wonderful with all that has happened happened and not let the pull her down or keep her down yeah well. I don't know how to summarize this all perfectly but I mean we're looking at coming back to what you said Michelle. What what are we going to do to change and I think taking the time being aware to my favorite word. I think these days is aware I want to be aware where God opened my eyes. Open my ears reveal to me what I don't see today that I need to see. That's keeping me in this place of not being maximized it. Just put at that way at least that I can you know this could be better where where can I progress and where am I blind and when we can see that and get it out on the table. Maybe not overcoming by eradicating it overcoming by figuring out how to go forward scared as Ruth soukup would say again and that's what it motivates debates me to. It motivates me to whip out my journal tomorrow during my time and go okay again guy. Where am I not where am I. Where am I blind and I don't even know what I don't know. That's what my business partner says the most dangerous thing he's the doctor he says the most dangerous thing is we don't know what we don't know. Give us give us awareness. Gush always a gift to do these Michelle. Wow this is my own personal. Counseling session should start sending each other invoices. We should we should do. We know we speak paying these folks. They're the one school us by. Yeah Yeah Right. Everyone who shared shared to openly thank you so much. There's a lot of people that shared I didn't get through all the submissions admissions but such a gift to not only us but to the tens of thousands of people who are gonNA listen to this. They're going to resonate. They've got stories that they may not even be willing to share air but you're speaking to them and it helps us all permission and I think the freedom and the opportunity to overcome Michelle. Thanks thanks so much. Kevin this show leaves us all with a question what have we and have we not recovered from and become <music> better from not minimized as I talked about with Michelle I truly believe it's not black and white and we're either overcome or not and some areas of our lives we art have been and others maybe not and it sure has me pondering where I'm not for myself so that I can strive to and not be blind to it all right coming up next show seven. Oh three the title is get a leash on your technology and take back your world. Why would renowned amount associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University Cow Newport Shun Social Media and keep ultra tight tight restrictions on his own technology usage. What's because he desires the master. His life is peace and productivity and he knows the limiting power of unreleased least electronics in his life. I mean imagine waking up and immediately eating that donut getting ready for work and having a breakfast of doughnuts on the way to work have a doughnut as a matter of fact you just keep a dozen donuts with you at all times and rarely let fifteen to twenty minutes go by without at least having a little bite. I mean what harm is there and just a bite here and there right but by day's end you've never had enough room in your belly to get any actual good nutrition and and you feel a bit woozy from all the sugar and carbs even as you sneak a couple bites is your head hits the pillow and try to get some sleep which is disturbed by the days intake of junk or if you were constantly spending money in the same way. I mean we all know we must us. Budget our nutritional intake in our financial expenses. We know we can't just bend on something continuously but in a short amount of time are electronics chronics and devices have crept in and many of us find ourselves in a near nonstop diet of it so what's it doing to us. I mean that's our topic with cows. I mentioned cow aw is an associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University and the author of six books including his most recent digital minimalism choosing a focused life in a noisy world two of his books other books deep work rules. I focused success in a distracted world. We talk about that some on the show and his other books so good. They can't ignore you. There two books that I've heard so many world influencers reference was actually the testimony about Oh cal from Michael Hyatt that prompted me to actually do this interview with him so hey. I'm grateful and I think you will be two for this message till then thank you as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire are true performance together new.

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656: Do you really know how to listen?

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656: Do you really know how to listen?

"Welcome to the Ziglar show. I'm your host. Kevin miller. Do you really know how to listen, I asked this question on Facebook. What have you been taught regarding listening being a good listener? Do you think you are a good listener we received over fifty responses? But while a lot of people share things that they had heard in regards to being a good listener. Most also admitted they aren't doing so good in this area. Well, the topic comes from my recent series on listening brought to us by Oscar Trimboli. I don't miss his main show with us number six five one for this CUNY session. I asked Oscar to join us. I think I learned more from hearing his responses to year real life questions than I did in the main interview with him. And as you'll hear Oscar was listening to me watching me and you'll hear firsthand how he employs deep listening skills right there in the moment, and he was just masterful and answering all of. Your comments and questions. I've had so many people say they went to his website at Oscar Trimboli, that's T R. I M B O L I and purchased his book. Deep listening highly highly recommended I'm about to go on and get away with my wife, and I'm taking the book with me to share with her and talk through together. Okay. So we're going to start off with Oscar and your questions right after I share some great resources. Knowing how to code is becoming a sensual in today's job market. So where do you start grasshopper is a coating at four beginners. It's built by Google engine ears and completely free with fun five minute. Puzzled you can turn your downtime in the learning. New and useful skill when you graduate. You'll have a fundamental programming skills. You need for your next step as a coder Goto, grasshopper dot codes slash Ziglar to download and get started today. Hey, Ziglar listeners in order to find great sponsors for this show that provide relevant products and services to help your life in business. It helps to know more about you, would you please go to pod survey dot com slash Ziglar. And take it quick anonymous survey once you've completed the survey you can choose to enter for chance to win one hundred dollars Amazon gift card, terms and conditions apply. Again, that's pod survey. P O D S U R V E, Y dot com slash Ziglar. And thanks so much. All right here, we go. Then listening to the listening doctor himself, Oscar Trimboli and your questions about listening. Well, Oscar every once in a while, I am intrigued enough by topic. By an issue that I not only want to do a Q and A and hear what our audience really has to say about the issue. But I also want the expert at hand you in this case, the join me and go through these and and really hear from your perspective. So thank you again for taking your time to come and invest in all of our lives. Yeah. Looking forward to listening to the questions. Well, we've got gosh. We've got some really good really in depth one. So I'm just going to start rattling them off. And all that you a let you respond. Here's a couple that all all bring to you. Tony Cooper says in leadership. She learned be the last to speak focus on listening and hearing everyone then speak. I have had to practice and continue to practice being a good listener. So on that fraiche. She says there'd be the last to speak with the next one to Brandon Russell. He's at the biggest thing I remembered amid taught is always wait to listen, not wait to talk to many of us are waiting to say, the next thing on our mind and don't even register what the other person is saying if we wait to listen, then we will intently pay attention to the person who's talking if we wait to talk than what they say never has any bearing on what our next thought is. I thought both of those very much. In line. With your message, though, I also resonate with. Sometimes I have methodically waited to be the last person to speak still. However, so I could say what I wanted to say, I was not actually listening. Yeah. Oh, my little distinction in the latest ship contexts that Tony was mentioning the point about speaking loss is is really powerful on people who practice that consistently. Get so much more from the teams. And a one on ones. That's completely true in group. Sometimes you can lose them. They feel law. Sometimes so waiting to speak lost is great. And if you want to build on that, and you've mastered that step create a framework for the group to think through as they have conversation. So that you can help them to understand the boundary conditions of the conversation. What's inside the box watts outside the box and the boundary condition may be there is no boundary conditions. And in some cases, if you're talking about the future strategy new markets that really productive. But if you're talking about operational issues and getting stuff done in a really narrow show. Tim timeframe that has implications. The other divisions will might be how products of supply to customers. Listening through a framework is also productive to the group. When to stand the boundary conditions that kinda juice off the mole because they comfortable in speaking through that framework so latest step beyond. Speaking lost. Also, quite comfortable in creating a framework, and I'll give you a simple example, the framework must be something as simple as Gaza's. We think about this topic. Let's think about what this means for our stuff for supplies and customers, if you're in the public sector, you might think about what does this main foe out budgets? What is this main full Al voters, and what does this main for political representatives? So through that way, you're almost signaling. How you're going to be thinking about your decision rather than your answer? So having a framework liberates the group to go as the. Edge a lot of times when people don't know the edge that don't show up fully self expressed. The when they do know where the edge is that heavy to go right to it in sometimes beyond. So citing shows up if you know the rules of the game when you playing by spol- game when applying Oskar bowl guy, you can be at your best. So Lleida suspect lost an opportunity if I've lost at that is to help the group listen to themselves by giving them a really good framework to. Well, and I appreciate starting off with that business focus because I know that's where you really came to a lot of your message here on listening, though, of course, have now gone into just the overall into our personalized. And that's where really most of the next are most of the rest of our questions come from pretty personal standpoint. I'll keep going here. Gregory beilin. He says the cliche cliche adage of two years. One mouth comes to mind. Sometimes I find myself wanting to interject though, I often sit on that. Then contribute a bit later. Sometimes I find myself wanting to interject though, I often I often sit on it and interject a bit a bit later until I've had enough and has quotes till I've had enough then I'll either chime in and share a doozy. Or fully disconnect in futility in a conversation. A decent listener if I'm up and about doing something that fights for my attention that I'm more of a selective listener to what is being said. To me about I'm a fantastic listener to the circus in my head. Aren't we all aren't we all, but that ITO comes into way, we talked about that in the first show about respect alternately in an Oscar as we've in the what the week, I think or so since we've talked last that's really what has been most prominent as I chew on. This is how often I am lost. I'm the loss listeners thinking about on thoughts because I am not respecting the person in front of me. And I think that's got to be such a core issue that really brings into account almost bigger a bigger root cause of not listening is giving people you respect. I don't have any point on that. I'll throw that you because right now, I'm just gonna stuck in there. Having to realize myself. The are any Kevin is when you talk about respect in that context. And the example, we just hood. The respect isn't for the other. If you respected yourself mole, the dialogue heaven you'll mind wouldn't be so violent against yourself. The dialogue in your mind. Wouldn't be so judgmental on yourself. So maybe the respect you Nate to Pifer is to you. And when you do maybe that dialogue will die. You know? We'll come down. We'll we'll lesson will retract and create that spice, but it's so common the research that odd on other researches have said the same thing. I d six percent of people struggled just to get in the conversation because they in a dialogue with them selves. So just it's a KAI often. Chuck the difference between a recreational listener a listener, isn't that a day bliss neural bay distracted by that dialogue? It's the I know it's there, and I know how to deal with a and there are high with a so on how I'm going to be distracted. You know, one of my favorite phrases a lot of the time and people quite surprised, and I'll do it regularly workshops, also Kevin. I'm really sorry. I got distracted there. Could you say that again, not apologies? And if you respect to human you can make mistakes, and it gives them respected. I've never been in a situation where somebody roll their eyes will somebody Khanna huffed impove if you do genuinely and you do it with humility people respond to that. But yeah. Cut sell subject, they might all right point taken. Thank you will on that on that that area, you know, Matt Matt Horne here, he says in my opinion, listening is from a humble mindset in a state of being of service. If you're an active listener, then you truly are looking for ways in which you can relate to the individual, and perhaps provide some solutions or offerings if possible, but sometimes and he has in parentheses coming from bloke, which has taken me many years to learn just ask my wife. You don't have to try and fix. You just have to listen. So I wanted to ask that being married that is some being married, and I'll say being a male. That's common cliche that we hear is. You don't sit there and listen to your wife a lot of times, she just wants to talk. You don't have to fix it. You just have to listen in taking that maybe I went to the far end to where I would let that go. And then really not say much of anything. Maybe, you know, just I'm sorry not offer anything which that often. That wasn't always the right response. Either. Not that she didn't want me silent completely maybe not to fix, but I'll speak from a man standpoint because I've talked with others that sometimes where do I balance out? I'm not supposed to fix, but sometimes pure silence is not the answer anyways. So I come back to where Matt started humble mind state of mindset and a state of being of service is that more on the right wave length and taking each conversation captive and try to discern where do where can I be value to this person and men generically listen to fix. And famous listen to feel so the question, you pose is rather than staying at one end of the spectrum fix and the other end of the spectrum completely lost is a simple question. Could pose pot way through the conversation at the beginning of the conversation or at the end of the conversation. And it's just a simple question. What do you need from may in this conversation that could be a question you could ask your wife at any point? And she'll tell you trust me. You know and out dog basic right way to keep L conversation grounded and going when we walk around the block it out house between may my wife and the health spas of Stipe president in the coma citation, but the premise of humility means that. Yeah. You giving up a bit of yourself to listen to them. Most cases people just wanna be hood that don't wanna be fixed. And I don't know about you, Kevin. But if I wanna be fixed, tell someone pretty quickly, but for most of us, we just wanna be hood. And that is. Yeah. Such a significant crocks I can attest to that often do but there's so often with those closest to use specially where it is. Sometimes feels overwhelming not to offer a solution, especially when you're hearing about pain for sure well, most guilt in here says I contact nonverbal communication is important and to hear the person some people just need to be heard and not fixed. I agree that being slow to speak and quick to listen as the bible teaches is important. Will you spoke, of course to that in your book? Deep listening on that. It's not just all about audio all about years, it is that being aware. Somebody I contact that non verbal communication even makes me think about what you shared in our habits show that you are have become a fan of photography because you see that as another form of listening. But talk to us a little bit on that on I contact the non verbal communication is that something that we buy foreign large ten to miss and not pay much attention to even if we're focused on listening because we are trying to really concentrate on the words, and we're not listening or being in tuned to the spirit. Yeah. Look at it from two dimensions on this one. The first dimension is from the speaker's perspective. So a speak of will and three different research. Studies highlight this that a speaker will give you credit for being a better listener by you'll mind tighening contact. So you the visual cue that you've got contact with them. The I feel your bet listener. So probably wasn't the intent of the question. But it's another way to think about I contact. So they come back from the listeners perspective. Yeah. Sameeh just walk in a triangle from the eyebrows down to the chin that just bicycling becomes a wife of made to do that. I do that three times clockwise three wise and not just doing that the other signal vow sent to you is body posture embracing. So be on the eye contact be on the creases be on the chin beyond the lips the on the browse, which is classic place that most experts in human body language will spend the time the real human lie detectors as cold as a people who used to advise lawyers in jury selection, for example, these people help out in hostage negotiation stuff that Matt as much Mola sometimes people's liberties at stike people's laws are at stike the noticing the congruency between not only what this sighing note only what's happening on the spot bed. Brazing is that breathing fossil slow and is that congre with what they saying? So typically, if you really say, you're excited about something. You're breathing will Scholten, but if the breathing is David is held long and this and I'm really excited. Instinctively you're gonna notice that you're gonna notice that. That's not congruent a lot of the times when I'm working with clients. They'll be a moment. In fact, you had that moment Kevin on our recording. When we were talking about you'll interaction as a loss. Listen with your wife, you'll body stike literally changed in front of me. And I asked you was just happened. Because there was this huge polls that was huge momentum reflection on your body energy. Which is usually really was posed in really reflective in that moment. So yes, we can look at the Feis the ause notice the breathing as well as the body energy to and if we think about those three things yet, we're gonna be listening on a whole different level. You're right. I thought about the movie scenes that we have especially in some of the crazy action movies of our time. Now, we're they'll take. A specific acute scene and slow motion. I want that to happen. Every time. It's a right listening moment, especially in my home, especially with my family, especially when I contend to be little overwhelmed, and I need to listen, I need that dramatic pause to say Kevin this is important. Maybe that's an app that you can put out Oscar. Okay. The listening at that jury grabs us and what the appropriate time. Kevin, you know, you've got the wolves best listening pets your mind, and it's hot. And it's you got in just got to figure out how to use it again. You're ready. How just being distracted into not using it? That is well, and that's why you're here with us. Thank you again. And thanks these sponsors for bringing us today show. And critical element that too many businesses overlook is great customer service. 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Love handles offering ten percent off your first order with coupon code Ziglar. So visit love handle dot com. And be sure to use coupon code Ziglar for ten percent off your first order of love handle phone grips. But Dan van low. I says be an active listener, I find that. I get easily distracted sometimes the distractions are external noise other people activity. Sometimes the distractions are internal my own thoughts. Opinions interjections in order to combat the distractions. I have a notebook and pen handy to take notes when I need to be an active listener, I make sure they know why I'm taking notes, and it's only for one conversation as an attorney. I was forcing this outfit for court hearings client meetings, meditation, mediations, etc. And incorporated, the practice into attending church board meetings and even personal meetings over coffee. This helps me focus on listening. What's being said and allows for me to make him more wealth thought out response rather than being reactionary or being rude. And interrupting the other person I have since learned by not talking and organising organizing. My thoughts in this matter. Other people in a meeting. Share rather than have me dominate. I can then focus my thoughts on what's most important last sentence. He says I do not use this practice when talking with my wife exclamation point. Maybe maybe he should well, I appreciated that when I did learn from business mentor longtime ago, the importance the value of taking notes for personal memory one. And for the honoring coming back to our respect aspect of the other person. I just came here straight from a lunch meeting. I had my journal out on the table. I did take notes, and I knew it was honoring for the other person. But it was literally for me to remember. And I think it's from this habit that I'm sometimes amazed at the even people when I've been paid to consult with them at high dollar amount, and they don't take notes, and I think we'll do. They have a photographic memory. Or a really gonna remember this. And I think most of the times we do not. So I really appreciate that. Really interesting coming from him as an attorney where he was forced to do that. Is that a habit that you are an advocate of as well. Yeah. It's it's it's a great prompt up and it screwed habit and again to build on that if you are not taika. The more. You can adapt notes to be graphical rather than of vitam where you literally rotting woods down. When you're in the act of writing you'll order treat Puth y to Brian literally is shut down in the process of writing. So if yo drawing it's not as locked so as spoke to fulltime willed memory champ. And he said one of the things if he had a tip for anybody. When you oughta taking notes to Mike them as graphical as possible because graphical image restored Fossa and his break. Hold longa. Now, I think the point that was made is announcing while you're taking notes is really important. But if you literally gonna sit there and scribe the entire conversation. That's probably a good example of unproductive notetaking. I think most people jot down ID's and prompters for themselves. And if it's. Quick if you just write a sentence a strongly encourage it. But if you literally writing down power, graphs and power, graphs and power gross. You you will that will create another foam of distraction. They eh particularly in that legal context that that makes a huge difference. Because I interviewed a a chief Justice in strata. And he he drew a tree while he was listening to testimony. So he would draw the trunk of the argument he would draw the branches on the leaves that he didn't think was so relevant. Any just kinda he said he touched on that about every five minutes over three hours of hearings. So that kinda have three hours than the have a break, and then the have three hours and the night that wrap up for the giants. But this tree diagram actually became quite famous in legal circles about it was his wife listening. So I encourage those techniques because it is about on just became a full. To type too much of a bite him. Otherwise, you will you will kinda miss the point of what you're doing. And. Yeah, when when it comes to having the conversation with with with the husband or the wife. Yeah. Mos- at risk. That's probably why you don't take the notes, but again on them an awesome. You know, some conversations you might. So we would planning a trip to India. We going in couple of weeks and waste out of planning. This about six months ago, gen Y. And. On kind of the big pitch guy when it comes to men gin, and she's the detail person and just need to know what day I'm turning up on. What I am leaving a trust you with rest. She goes. Well, that's not good enough. Because it's at holiday, let's do this together. And it was like shoal Dumont if Tyke some notes because on trying to figure out the locations, and the timing and all of that, and she was cool with that. But, you know, probably talking about our relationship communication stall Husaid cannot diagnose she probably say. Yeah, that's the first problem. You know, you know, this is about what you feel what's in your head. So yeah. Not too great. Just more graphical and grab the ID's in the actions rather than trying to be vitam. Okay. I'm curious on that on a thing. Any also mentioned a memory champion and just for context. I reviewed didn't fully review the book moonwalking with Einstein talked about those memory champions and some of the little events they went to his really enamored by that. Because that is an area that I have not sought to strengthen myself a whole lot. So looking at that. But I'm curious with you talking about the graphics. I hadn't thought about that. The current fad not to d to minimize it at all in marketing right now are the explainer videos, the videos as you're watching somebody's narrating the hand, it's literally drawing that out. So I just again came from a presentation at a lunch meeting doing that. And I find myself very drawn in more. So than just talk. Talking head of a person. And now are so than an audio. So is that a tangible combination of what you're talking to as far as how it works. Okay. Absolutely. Look, explain a videos a really good one day and guide to the visual cortex. Really? Well, and if you look at visual auditory and kinesthetic learning styles. In in the west the majority forty percent of visual in the approach. But why explain videos work is it's a joint construction you see it evolving in front of you. And it creates time across spice in the ID as opposed to presenting the idea is the finished idea shows, you how the ideas constructed so you get blowed into the ID because oh, wow. I saw that when that was a blind place pipe or Anna soul, the idea revolve. So again, if you're in a any Conroy alway have to communicate an idea that could be sows Poston that could be a Aleida of a religious institution that could be politician bringing people along in the construction in the pollution of the ID musette from Eurodif two they arrived D. And that's why those. Blinded videos work, really. Well, goodness. Okay. That's that's interesting. Those are things I'm looking at right now for business purposes. So good to hear that confirmation. Kyle Fillon worth. He says I remember reading Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people as a senior in high school until that point as a natural introvert. I remember struggling socially, most of my young life. I just could not figure out how to gain favorable attention from my peers, then I read that brilliant line from Dale Carnegie, you can win more friends and two months by being genuinely interested in others than you can't in two years trying to get others interested in you, my last semester of high school as well as the rest of my life was completely different from before reading that book. Because from then on the pressure was off. I realized that I didn't have to be creative and flashy and a conversation in order to win people's trust and earn real friendships. All I had to do was encourage others to talk about themselves, and listen, truly. And sincerely, listen. Well, I'm a fan of that book. That was goodness. Nineteen forties nineteen fifties. And yet kick I'm back, even it wasn't really twenties. How far back I think it was not an twelve unless I'm mistaken. Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, it's well over one hundred years old now incredible book, and yet here we are today where we touched on this and our main show together where we see there's that wisdom then and yet today, I again, we talked about some of the culture, but I think to some extent you would say it's even more of a lost art that you're trying to help us come back to. Yeah. And I think the point call makes is that. When you just listen, it's it's actually quite relaxing. It's not hard. You give you give you a go up and just you're in them. So a lot of people say, you know, this thing's hot fa- may because you know, I'm distracted on whatever. And if you just let 'em genuinely interested in what they sign I'm the may Tom stops in his life in the and as he said dislike turned around for him really quickly. Greg case study in in the power being interested in others. We'll sue right on that aspect Cullen Martin. He says one lesson. I learned the hard way. Is that truly smart people? Listen, I ask good questions to hear more, and then talk if we were to teach our children how to ask questions with the intent to understand than they would learn to be better listeners. I could save myself a lot of grief if I had known that again hearkening back to our main show together we came to that. Russian of. Yeah. When I see somebody in perceive that they are not only caring. But that they are wise is the word that came to mind for me. They are people who listen they are not so fervent to get their own word in to get their own thought. And they are happy and confident in themselves to sit there and listen to what I have to say. And then as he said to also ask for more, and you again talked about that in the show about that digging. In of of is there any is there any more that you want to say what I think the statement? You said is what did you not say what what did you not say within there that you could still be set or that you'd like to? I'm curious what else you thinking about this? I and the fries will just it comes to me as Colin set a smart. The smart people. Listen, I and ask good questions to hear more to me. It was it literally in my mind rephrase is as a confident person, and who does not want to be a confident person or be perceived as a confident person and in doing so it's not putting on the show trying to have the witty retort, which is probably my inclination. It's to be confident in themselves enough to be willing to listen and ask for more to understand more. It's that's a picture that I want to be Oscar. And the funny thing is you already are it just need to trust self to get the. You're my encouragement coach today, and I will gladly accept that. Thank you, Monica and Fernandez. She says I loved listening to your podcast with Oscar on deep listening. I listen twice so far and shared it. With my husband as a yoga teacher. I often Q my students to listen to the space between the inhale and the exile the skill. This skill is truly in need as we are all surrounded by voices of many these days, take a pause, breathe, and listen, deeply, I shall share Oscars words while teaching yoga, thanks, Kevin. Keep bringing on good guest. In our first show. Again, you talked about the pause being treated as another word is that that right? That also spoke to me, I don't know that I do it in my personal life that well, though, I was taught to do it in business, especially in sales to ask for that sail. Ask for the decision and then pause, and I did it. I saw great effect from that. And my employing it in my personal life as well. Maybe I'm gonna take your encouragement. Maybe I do some I wonder if I could do better. What she says there that space in between breathe exile that is that is anomaly in our culture as I experience it. The point Monica Mike says as you break in and notice what's happening. The full you brave out. What's happening in your chest. What's happening in your lungs? What's happening to die frame? What's happening to your throat and? You'll struggles rail Kevin everybody has I haven't, you know, at as we turn up professionally. We'll bring a version of the cells but to come back to that wisdom in that confidence. It's not to show up differently at home. It's how do we show up consistently and confident enough cells so unnoticed when you were talking about your professional listening. You'll on movement was relaxed, and it was focused and yet when you talked about your home listening. It was rising on movements with foster up into the Rhine, and that's a code that. You know, it's something that you thinking hot about right now. It is it is I'll be candid in that. I have I have a lot of children. My oldest is twenty four. My youngest is now six and I find myself going through times of I think a little fatigue a little a little daddy fatigue a little father. But he goes, I'm still fielding those questions. I'm still hearing the story of the long drawn out story of the game. They're playing or the story they're riding, which is is brilliant. But I'm aware of my own feelings of fatigue in there. So I'm revisiting that again, as a father have a son who turns thirteen today and this weekend is a special time. We'll take together about that transition to manhood, and so I'm thinking again about the acuteness of my example, as a father and always looking at my marriage. So again, that's why the moment I heard the message of your book. I thought I need it. I'm betting my audience does but I need it. So I'm going to get free. Council right here, which I am and I'm taking to heart. I really love your -tentivness even here. And folks, we always use zoom so Oscar or looking at each other, and I m under the microscope of being seen for how I appreciate that. Because I become unaware a lot of times of my behavior, my tendencies my habits when I'm speaking. And when I am listening as well, which that point we did talk about that in the first show about the aspect just being aware of being self aware. So that I guess that word confidence is is one that comes to the surface for me. And the other is being self aware. I will have those moments of running off and not being there, and then I'll rein myself back in. And I'm sure that's very obvious. Can I come back to the six year old story for a moment? Please. I'm trying to visualize way. You are you thinking about that story? So where were you when you're listening to that story will you in your home driving back from zoom? I was at home in living room in the living room and you'll both sitting down simul level. Oh, you a standing up listening to the story? And he was looking up at you in that visual. I was I was eye-to-eye is sitting there. Yeah. Gripe Nankai because for a lot of who toll. The tip is simply bring the child up to your level, you come down to the level, and the sinus true if you calling to speak to the children, this is a little bit hotter to do if you're in a public environment. But I'd still encourage it bring you odd level down to the as when you're coaling, even if you Feis timing doing what's video something like that. It will it will bring you perspective into a listening perspective rather than you'll perspective. Coon is that is that is interesting. And when you said the word calling back in my home, I had the vision to of calling out to my children something calling everybody time for dinner time for what? And out of the issue of respect over the past few months now, I have been endeavouring to stop what I'm doing which is often cooking and to run upstairs or run into the other room or wherever and find them and address them in a face to face conversation and say, hey, guys, can you wrap up and come on? And instead of yelling in just trying to instill that spirit of respect. I want them to give to me to others as well. But there's been a very very tangible vary acute aspect and so years two of getting on. On their level. I'm grateful that my mind I was I'd I've often it is down especially to my little and it takes just a moment. It's good exercise squat down there. Looking at the I I I will retain that Oscar and while you're on the topic of the male of lucky enough to interview couple of parenting experts because I get off a lot about Harry, we teach our kids hat, listen. But it's not the point of what I'm gonna mention Justin. Dr Justin Colson mentioned to me that in that food preparation example that you use that I'm encouraged one of one of the older children to cook. With you. It creates go right time with particularly full. Attain is miles. If they'd distracted that listen Sunday, given tusk to do so imagine chopping up vegetables or or cooking something with you. You know in awed contact and that that creates a really good listening environment for them. But his point was the classic. You've described one of the classic situations way trying to round up the family to eight and he said if a parent does that it's like, we'll get the, but he said recruit one of the other children to do it. And I don't with a completely different enthusiasm in you'll see the dynamic Chines when the kids off the other one so in you'll might be just off the folks wanted and get them to tag the next and make a game out of it is was he's pulling my family, really appreciates cooking together on having everybody come in. Which is not always my propel. City. I come home at the end of the day. I've often gotten most of my words out already, and I can go in the kitchen and cook and put some music on and have a little bit of solitude while they're doing their things. But they so enjoy your coming in. That's interesting though, I have not thought about that dynamic as they're sitting there cutting something up that I've given their we're generally talking or they'll even be listening to the music that I'm playing we'll talk about the music. We're very musically oriented family as well. Right. I need to harness that more. I had not I had not realized that something else. I wanted to ask you about well use this this comment to lead into Charlotte to mayo. She says I always intend on being a great listener. Although I find that guiding a stalled conversation, I am sometimes more verbose and consulting when a client or prospect is being interviewed and has has lost for words, I pay attention to the gaps and value the skin return method instead of coloring in the areas of emptiness around even the most open ended question, you can truly never know. What surprises maybe revealed when you listen to even the silence. That the awkwardness of that I struggle with I struggle with people who are not very verbal and the conversations that are in the tendency to try to fill that in because of awkwardness I'm just glad she brought that up speak to that one. Because I think that's one that e those who do have an intention -ality about speaking about listening. They're still those moments where it's a toss up of how do you? I like her her visual there of coloring in the areas of emptiness, do you seek to do that. Do you? Let the silence go. I think just be playful with silence at some. A mentioned that in the silence is a sign of wisdom and Powell quite often. If you're in Japan career, China the post and speaking the lace stole the one with the longest polls is actually the one with the most power aurthority in in a situation of a an organizational context such as a business. It's kind not to know. Because if found fixes too quick, which generally means, it's probably not the right one. You gonna have to re visit the conversation Ray, quote, redo the work and the cost of that is much higher. Then if you just ply with polls in in my consulting, look a lot of the tons on working with these people who incredibly gifted brilliant minds of wick with people who deal with really complex situations and. Bring a bring topic that this struggling with. And I'll just say can we just sit with not knowing for a moment. And just watch. What it's like for us. Not to know. Because that's a human experience that we made to notice too. And notice patents about how often don't we know what of the patents when we done and again with the example, he was Charlotte. Sounds like a patent for her. It sounds like, you know, if you turn to the page about the shrewd listening would say a photo, Charlotte. They trying to color in the gaps and fish Rudy's for people who love to solve and fill in the silence just count to three one thousand to one thousand three one thousand. The openness is usually what you'll bringing rather than what they bringing again pit bulls got nine hundred woods minutes. Stuck in a head? I've only got one hundred fifty woods like get out a minute. And sometimes that polls that oakwood silences them just trying to line up eight hundred woods to own a you and communicate that affectively in sync Ling. Bassano is a platform. Thus so many solutions yet, we think silence is the segue for us to talk. So. Yeah, just embrace. It an dumb be good with a watch notice it and have fun with a. Cola. Dow said a couple of times. Hey, I know this feels awkward, but I think it's productive and sometimes people giggle and sometimes people just not in Cape. Silence going, but you know, holding that tension, if you're a consultant, south Poston, new somebody from profession, a lawyer or accountant or an architect or something like that. Think about what's joyful in this moment to because it's a moment of co creation. It's just a moment of unconscious nonverbal cook creation. You are that right there. I in a previous business. Held about fifteen live events where I. Rented out a camp in essence and had people. Come there. Stay there and initially I felt so beholden to provide so much value that I had it packed from seven AM in the morning till nine o'clock at night and beyond and finally had somebody not confront me as to offer up some constructive criticism in love said one you bring us out here to the rocky mountains in this beautiful place. And we don't get to experience it and to give so much great information. But there's not enough time to reflect on that and your discussion. Right. There of silence. The time to digest it to reflect on that that we tend not to maybe thinking right now envisioning brainstorming sessions that I've had with brilliant people. But it's generally a continual flow of discussion and putting things up on the wall and. Not time to reflect I ended up doing that afterwards. I have to do that in the evening. The next day. I have to reflect try to capture it and reflect. And would we have more value in building in that time of silence and reflection right then and there. I might try that Oscar. Let me create two perspectives. One's a campfire and once the process of composing music. Many of us have been blessed enough to have the opportunity to capitol. Visit a location way. A great day. Asana set the campfire is going. But the connection this created and the memory of that campfire. On. Is the subconscious connection of all of staring at the flames at the same time and rarely do we sail? The many moments of reflection yet a lot of us will continually reflect one of the best Tom's. We spent was the Tom around the campfire. And it's kinda it's a fun connection actually had a makes moles in Colorado, Colorado around the cat fi with Chuck and Kathy. And you know, I just flashed back to that making that in that moment, but most of that three four hours that we spend. Yeah. That was talking going on probably what was as much Sahlins and just enjoying the blue flick is in the red and the yellows and the whites and the CIA calls an old as amazing Khalas that creates a wife for us to enjoy the silence. That's one aspect of silence than talking to people who create music from scratch with a blank pace. Pipo? One of the things that struck me went on to them. They say it's the gaps. Way in between where the instruments in the voices on. That's as important to musical composition. It's the silence. That's between the notes that gives the listener Tom to polls and fully he old notes, and then help them Mike meaning from that. Is something that I have to be very conscious off in the composition of music as well. So these things that connect to some motionlessly the connect us memorably the connectedness with meaning they things often a wrapped in silence. They're more comments, and we can get through. I'm going to stop us there because I feel like you have given us through these shows not only an introductory to listening. But you've given us some some graduate level insertions as well. I am such an advocate of what you're doing Oscar. I appreciate your own skill set with the listening. It is an incredible example to me, and I am continually honored to be the messenger to bring this to our audience and eager to do what I can all I can to help bring you to as many audiences as possible. I think this is a. Life altering as you know message and thank you for giving us your time for the third time on this show won't be the last either we need to hear this continually and go deeper and are listening of your message. Oscar, thank you. Thanks for listening. Friends. Thank you as always to everyone who shared their candid comments to our question for today. It's a gift to all of us host and listeners alike. Again, a highly recommend getting Oscars book. Deep listening from his website at Oscar Trimboli T R, I M B O L I dot com and give him a gift in return for his guidance and sharing by leaving review in items for the Ziglar show and mentioned Oscar and this show specifically affiliate on what's coming up next after I share some great resources. Knowing how to code is becoming essential in today's job market. But where do you start? So try grasshopper the coating app for beginners. It's built by Google engineers, and it's completely free with fun. Five minute puzzles, you can turn your downtime into learning. A new and useful skill when you graduate. You'll have the fundamental programming skills. You need for your next step as a coder. So go to grasshopper dot codes slash Ziglar to download and get started today. Coming up next and show. Six five seven is being mentally tough healthy habit for success. This is our habits show where we walk through the seven spokes in the Ziglar wheel of life. And here the healthy habits of our guests, which this time is Allan Stein. High performance coach known for his work with pro basketball players and author of the book raise your game and show six five five we dug into his message and really gave a lot of focus on the massive value in assessing of self awareness. Yes. Even if you're a pro basketball player on the court on that note, reviewing his healthy habits was just profound intrigued with Allen's commentary on mental toughness, and the reality that all we can controls our attitude and effort, and that goes, again, even for those NBA pro athletes, well, folks till then thanks for being with us today and look forward to walking with you as we inspire. There are true performance together in the next show.

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AP Headline News Oct 24 2018 21:00 (EDT)

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03:30 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 24 2018 21:00 (EDT)

"Entertainment design, just for you, then checkout, customizable, streaming TV from finishing. It makes your life simple easy. Awesome. Expended? He gives you, customizable, streaming TV options. Enjoy the most free shows anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. Go to expend dot com. A one eight hundred spineta or visit a store today. To learn more restrictions apply. AP radio news. I'm Tim McGuire. Law enforcement is intercepted a number of explosive devices addressed Democrats and others who've been criticized by President Trump at the is says it's examining some of those devices which were intended for former President Barack Obama Bill and Hillary Clinton several Democrats in congress and CNN agents say they all contain similar devices, and the envelopes had the same return address in which congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz name was misspelled tonight at a rally, Wisconsin, Trump denounced the mailings as an attack on democracy, and he acts or threats of political violence aren't attack on our democracy itself. No nation can succeed that tolerates violence or the threat of violence as a method of political intimidation coercion or control we all know that Senate and House Democratic leader. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi say Trump's words ring hollow two people are dead in shooting at a grocery store in a town outside Louisville Kentucky. Jefferson town police chief Sam Rogers says the gunman shot and killed a man inside. The Kroger store then shot a woman in the parking lot suspect fired multiple rounds at her striking her as a role result of those gunshots from the suspect both of those victims have been at died for fatal injuries have been pronounced deceased here on the scene Roger says the man also got into shootout with an armed citizen in the parking lot. Neither was hit. The man was later arrested to central Florida middle school girls brought knives to school yesterday in a foiled plot to hide in a restroom kill classmates. Cut them up and drink their blood before killing themselves. Please say the plan by the eleven and twelve year olds failed when school officials went looking for them when they didn't show up for class. This is AP. Radio news. One ticket sold at a convenience store and Simpson Ville South Carolina's a sole winner of last night's bore than one point five billion dollar mega millions drawing state lottery official. Tony Cooper says. Well, he's kind of at a loss. How to explain what it's like his office as well. As in the store that sold the winner. It has been a beehive of activity into to probably explain it. I'd have to make up some words, I'm gonna call pandemonium Jolliffe occasions Cooper says the winner should sign. The back of the ticket put in the safe place in seek financial or legal help. The woman who came up with the thanksgiving staple enjoyed by millions the green bean casserole is dead at ninety two Campbell Soup. Officials say dorks Riley's dish whipped up for a nineteen fifty five AP feature is the most popular recipe to come out of the company's corporate kitchen getting two point seven million online views during last year's holidays. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news is. Maybe them, which is my left me. No on stars goals. Honest, full Tammy what you do to me. Cafe shin. Nethon new TIMMY, you could bring a bullet. Bring swore bringing more. But you can't bring the TIMMY, Alexa, play Kendrick. Lamar and says, okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today.

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716: The all powerful inertia of your daily routine

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47:11 min | 2 years ago

716: The all powerful inertia of your daily routine

"Welcome everyone I'm Kevin Miller and this is the ziglar show inspired by the grandfather of inspiration himself zig ziglar our focus here is you and your personal development on the way to have more tomorrow is to become more today so we bring you the best of today's world influencers and their messages and discover how we can all apply new and in classic methodologies a personal growth to our lives in this episode we discussed the all-powerful Inertia of your daily routine. You have average daily routine. Everyone does everyday you generally about the same tasks and functions your world however will dramatically change for the better from making slight adjustments even slight adjustments in your daily routine so coming off a show seven thirteen where I got to the root of healthy habits and if you haven't heard that show we got a lot of good reviews off of that one. I'd encourage you check it out. in this show Tom's they were and I talk about the power in making at least a small investment every spoke on the ziglar wheel of life in your day in the in each one every single day often you can combine Vajna spoken we talk about that and doing a in essence a five minute workout or a three minute devotional will keep your positive inertia going as opposed to say no my gosh they don't have time and doing nothing especially when that happens day in and day out I mean falling off the wagon or losing momentum at such a death knell for most people as awesome we fall behind it can feel overwhelming to make up that deficit again. Sometimes it's unavoidable granted but most often we have the ability even if we miss a day day or two to at least make a small contribution that can keep us moving four keep that inertia going so this was the main focus of this show though I also posted this question to ziglar audience and Tom and I reviewed a handful of the comments I ask in the seven spokes on ziglar wheel of life which areas do you have a plan you consistently fulfill kind of how many people have plans in all those spokes and honestly not a lot of people have a plan in every single area area so it was from the comments and that reality that we were drawn to the power of again even small positive investments in your daily the routine in the seven spokes of ziglar wheel of life so I'll bring Tom on as soon as I share some really fitting products and services from our show sponsors Tom I mean Ziegler is about goals and here in the show. We have made aid we we you actually you started habits such a focus from that day on the stage when you are asked Tom what's the quickest way to success and you candidly gut reaction responded with the fastest way to success is to replace bad habits with good habits habits and today we have choose to win which is so much a culmination of that time and habits has become such a big deal and that's what we instilled in the show. Oh so every guest I have on here we do there. I kind of their main talk main interview and then we talk about habits daily habits now just prior to this show seven show seven fifteen. I did a solo show just talking about habits coming back to the premise of what are what's the point of all these happens and these habits and then kind of given a preface of saying even before you can have us those habits you gotTa know some specific things even like why what's the point of doing those what is the the ultimate payoff in this though I posted the question based on on that show and just ask in the seven spokes on the ziglar wheel of life in which areas do you have a plan that you consistently fulfill and we're going to go through some of the responses but I do want to start off with what I saw in. There are really I just came to fruition to me to my mind was was routines and I don't WanNa be playing around with semantics of this could mean that or whatever because we are talking about establishing abolition healthy habits just like you said replace bad habit with a good habit but right now no matter what everybody who's hearing this including you and me he has a daily routine we all do and either that routine includes the good habits good things we want or it doesn't and a couple apple the responses and we'll get them. We'll reading here just a minute but just got me to thinking about those routines and if we don't have our routines that make little deposits in here. I'll let you just give your gut reaction to that too. I mean every day the seven spokes thinking about Ken. I make a little deposit because some the people talk about man. It's hard to grow in all the areas at one time. I thought we don't have that's probably too that is probably too big a bite to chew off to be growing in each area constantly that I tend to find that I'm in cycles you during this time like right. Now you're in one where you're really doing a lot in the physical nutrition side. I mean that's that you're growing in. Is there well ask you. Is there another. Are you growing in every single area tom or are there some where you just kind of in maintenance mode you know I'm Kinda blessed because the work that we do almost requires me to grow in every area because if we're not growing for not learning if if you know oh but I will say this on the surface it looks hard to cover all seven but I'll cover three or four of them at the same time okay so for example you know like you just mentioned on my physical. I'm working out pretty strenuously five five days a week but I'm listening to a book on audible every time I work out yeah and book cover and you know depending on which one I'm listening to it it covers two or three spokes at a time because when you get thirty or forty minutes in and you know you can cover a lot of territory so that's how I get the two for one one or the three for one and you know well so then I'll I'll make the admission for my own part. There are some areas that I am I growing every day or even every week in some of the areas not always I mean I do have some now. I'm trying to make a deposit and theoretically by making a deposit. Should I be growing. I'd say yes. It's it's financial spoke is always a difficult one for me. I'm always addressing at work and earn a dollar every day hopefully more than one but in my growing in that area from a habitual stamp what man that's the one that's the one I leased like numbers money all that kind of stuff I'm happy to thank God for. CPA's bookkeepers and investors and all those kind of things that people do but I'm kind of what am I am I making it at posit because we know compound interest interest talking about investing those things do compounded when I go for so long not making any investment in that area fiscal nutrition is always such an acute cute one right now. You're you're growing everyday and you're building momentum. You know that talk about compound interest it grows you can take a day off. You can take two days as off but I'll tell you physically I know that from being a professional athlete you take three days off after that third day man you can take a big you start taking a big swing down and then it's so hard to build back up and that momentum can seem tiring that Oh my Gosh I've gotta keep investing y yeah it'd be like your relationships. I mean do you get to check in with your spouse. You know once a week. Just say AH love you. Can we be good for the week. Can I just kind of do my own thing. Of course not kids is even more acute. I mean you can't do that so again. What's that that daily routine? I'll never forget an assistant. I had one time trying to get me more scheduled should look having you have a routine. When's the last time you've got to brush your teeth? Never do you like it. No Oh yeah we forget to do your coffee while never what I love that that one's easy and that's GonNa. That's going to be the case. That's an interesting one. Though Tom is look I should start asking guests that when you look at the seven habits which is the one which is the one you must struggle with. I'll ask you oh my gosh. Let's see so we've got seven areas alive mental spiritual physical family financial angel personal and career historically. It's easy. It's been personal in fact of all the books. I'm sorry I have all the sections of the book. Choose choose to win that probably got the most out of me. It was really educating myself on what personal means and it means doing things that create energy in your own life which is not the way everybody gets energy. I get energy being alone for three hours. In the morning. I get energy out in the woods alone. You know other people thrive around being in crowds and so that's in in I've spoken about it many times. If you kind of have that servant's heart approach and you're putting your family and your career and everything else I it's also at the end of the bottom of the list usually which is kind of self. It's now because if we're empty. How can we help other people yeah so well? I misspoke. I think I said I I think I said show seven fifteen where I talked about the habits that's wrong. It was too before that it was seven seven thirteen. I believe it was seven fifteen was Brian Dixon then talking about his new book start with your people and in going through the habits with him Tom I got to the personal and I said I always preface it personal. It's like play fund or just you know what you do for yourself and the turn came up. I've been doing this for a long time and it's self care to some degree. It is the self care things that you do in like that if it's rejuvenating juvenile in the woods or whatever and it brought some things out of him because he gave me a couple of answers to it and then I said wait I wanted more so you know what self-care just came up and he gave me three incredible credible answers these odd not odd. They were things I had not done investments he made in himself so when I use that word self-care he knew the things he does is just to keep him on on the path and you're right. There's a lot of people a lot of people that I bring onto the show that I don't don't know what the ratio is some of them absolutely no the things they do and some of them a good number say man. That's a hard one for me because just like you said they're they're geared porn out well given out and don't put as much time looking at themselves and doing those things at those personal investments so so let me I'll just jump in here with some of the the responses that we got on those here Brian Lynch or he says I have my six FS faith family friends fitness and he said fitness fitness includes mental and emotional and financial and I try to have fun with them all but I found it how he's the one that said I found it difficult to work on improving more than two at a time maybe three that's what made me think about the aspect of our we always improving magazine. Make an argument for always investing gene then we should be improved but is there some other. Sometimes I think there have been for myself where I'm doing all I can to maintain sometimes in some areas and I find myself myself being fairly I can go through cycles. I guess you know the depth of his answer says he's been focused on it and and so a lot of kudos there this. This is what I would say. I'll I'll split in hair because I agree one hundred percent with what he just said. Yeah we can we can learn on all seven areas every day and that was kind of my earlier answer but but what he's really talking about is implementing or growing from yeah and of course the implementation of the growing from means you've put into practice what you've just learned however sometimes we judge ourselves on like in an athletic performance. We judge ourselves that our time get better that I wait dropdown down than we you know but an experienced trainer is like a you can't see it but the foundations getting really strong uh-huh and when we're we're GONNA we're gonNA peak at the right time and that is going to be an incredible thing so yeah. You're I get caught up in that film like Oh my Gosh. I've got to grow especially physical physical area that I've got my time on the mountain bike ride of the run better and he you can't always get better even professional athletes are going to be across train or take time off and come back and then you know little by little progress I but I'm not going to continue to get faster mountain bike rides for the rest of my life at some point. I'M GONNA be ninety and it might be tick slower. Even I don't know we'll see but yeah that's that's why I brought that up of. Can we be. It's interesting. Here's another Jessica Moore. She says never went physical. Physical and nutrition. Is Her strong point. She's because I own a wellness studio. I always feel like I have control over the physical and nutritional aspects. I feel I have have to lead by example that because I'm working so hard to get in. This is her she has a brick and mortar fitness place that it's called the Ice House wellness and community because I've worked so hard to get up and running. I'm falling short in the other spokes and she says help exclamation point couple thoughts that I had taught well the first one was I do. I have grown. I should say to be to make peace with having seasons at their that. I don't necessarily well. Maybe this is a personality style. It'd be curious your thoughts on it but I used to. I used to be the thought of okay so let's take the seven in areas here. I'm going to find the thing that fits me best. The thing that I believe is is best and I'm going to do it in and out every day every week month year and that's it and I have found that I'll be doing. XYZ Like right now mountain biking a lot and at some point there will come a time and I'll realize man a couple of weeks ago and by. I'm not looking forward due to it and my past is what you just stick to it but now thinking I'm forty eight. I'm not a pro athlete. There's no price here. I don't get any Kudos or rewards for doing this thing. I can do something else so I'm not enjoying. It was sounds good working out really uh I put my time into weightlifting. I WANNA run. Do I wanNA try across us that thing or whatever I'm free to do that. The point is that I am doing something physically exert myself most everyday and saw let myself get into seasons like that like well. We'll just just their seasons in those areas in one season I may be more focused and it makes sense. She just started a fitness community a a place that she's really focused on that and she maybe letting some other slide. That's okay for time and that's where I look at season. Obviously she does is that forever. She's going to be the fittest person our city but she may be bankrupt and financially or relationships or wherever you can't do that but I don't know your thoughts on Tom just on I found myself that way heavy on some areas for a while and then on the other says daily balanced here. You know it's impossible to have daily balance. I wish it was just impossible so anybody's feeling guilty for not having daily balanced just stop. It's it's impossible in our in the ziglar goal setting system. We really say you can't work on more than four goals at a time okay very difficult difficult so we you might have fifty goals or twenty goals that you've identified. You've written out you want to accomplish and we tell you to pick four four of them that you're GonNa go uh-huh at and those are the four that you're gonNA focus on for the week and to my goals are the same every week WanNa fitness goal and once my perfect start which is how I start my morning so that leads to other goals that I can work on so if I'm so that means that there's there's five slots that need to five things you need to fill slots yeah her right a- and so we gotta have some flexibility now in the book choose to win we say hey what if here's a crazy idea. What if you took one little a little bit bad Abbott in an area and you replace it with a little bit of good habits and you did that for a whole week and then the next week you picked the new one you kept the old one in place but you did a new one and so literally were saying hey every week just focus on one from a different different spoke and you keep going around now? If you come to me and you say hey my doctor said you know I'm going to have to have emergency surgery unless yeah I can lose thirty pounds and you know I need to lose a two hundred pounds total blah blah blah blah blah the only habit. I'd want you to create his physical health right because your life is in danger. Let's get that fire out. You know let's and so if you WANNA stay a in an area of your life. That's costing you the most for a week a month. You know six do it but ultimately ultimately you've got to get balance and what I love about kind of the approach and the number one habit that I learned is controlling our input what we listen to what we read. Reid is you can take any of the seven areas and do a physical something along with mental input and so you've got that covered all the time mental input dad was the he was the biggest promoter of automobile university right. I hear Kevin that there's a really good podcast. The talks about life changing material and you can get it for free on itunes. It's a miraculous world. We live in it. Is it's unbelievable. I hear that it's a sign of intelligence to be listening to that podcast right now out this very moment. Well praise God. Everybody is hearing it well. Hey on that note you are. You're listening to the show and we are so honored and grateful that you are. Tom Just mentioned automobile university which was made famous by Zig Ziglar or if you're not familiar with the idea the point is just making use of our otherwise idle time the time most people spend commuting they can take in positive input that will absolutely absolutely revolutionized their lives and today's world we can also do this while working out or eating lunch or just a multitude of otherwise brain idle times well Tom. 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All online programs and classes are developed by the same World Class Faculty who teach each on campus at Oregon State and they're all designed to help you get where you're going faster so learn more today and continue aspiring to your true performance at e campus us Dot Oregon State Dot. Edu Slash Ziglar. That's e campus dot Org State Dot Edu Slash Ziglar. I like that you talked about that. What's most acute so you know my business partner Dr Randy James so in all the years of him working with patients and me here in the stories I'll never forget early on? He doesn't really have these kind of patients anymore but early on in his practice when he did work with people who were were smoking he. I remember some times when he would come. Tell me he said man. They had this going on in this going on right now. The most acute thing for them was their diet and you know maybe it's sugar or gluten or whatever it is that they're consuming and it is it's wreck in their system right now. That's the most acute thing and he literally has some times and he said you know what right now go ahead and keep smoking right now. It's not hurting you as bad as XYZ. Now it'd be great if you just stopped everything but that's probably not going to happen. You're going to fail if you just try to go cold Turkey and make one hundred eighty eighty rechange right now if you can just cut out. XYZ And in the meantime for the next however long a couple of weeks thirties go ahead and smoke it that allows you that helps you as device the two to stop hurting you most as real interesting there. Are I like that idea of coming to what is the most acute thing and giving that affirmative action action to some degree you know this is kind of a side analogy but we're doing some work with the church here. In the in the metroplex called gateway a they have multiple locations but they have a thing called kingdom business leaders and you know in the church world. It's Kinda like the the normal teaching is hey go back into your business and be an example for the kingdom and they talk about how to be a godly person and of course they teach teach that but they leave for my perspective. This is just me they lead from a little bit different perspective and that is is they're actually taking education to business owners that helps them run a better business because you can be a better example if you make payroll so true story right and so and so I like the idea of if you're looking at your life going man. I've got a I've got something upton over here. That's cost me a lot and we just gotTA gotTA. Go focus on that and get that right and then get the balance going from there air because you can you can have you'll have that's why the physical one whenever somebody says her sold out on the physical I love it because your physical capacity a passivity unleash your potential for everything else I agree and we can have that debate of what's most important. I think sometimes that's the wrong question. Just what's the quench Lee Lee make sense and that is one that sequentially a great place to start. I mean back to just like Jessica too though with with her being so focused I do uh I have had to learn my own life that okay you could be out of balance you know in in maximizing one area and some of the other ones fall or or or get less than a little bit. I still try to make a small deposit and sometimes I've had to realize you know what so let's say normally do thirty minutes a day forty five minutes whatever of in my Bible devotions and whatever and right now I'm in a season. That's out of balance because something over here. That's good is happening. I don't always this is not. I'm not earning points in heaven. God's it's not up there with the ledger angel saying okay did he spend enough time did he read the right thing and get stuck in that. It's a deposit that if I can take three minutes first and just say God this is what's going on to chairs great opportunity. You know what's going on. You're big enough to handle it. I am looking for your answers to them to listen for sixty seconds but I'm GonNa continue listening meanwhile I drive. I'm going to put a note down in my pocket or on my calendar alert to remind me to listen to you. Be Tuning in that. It's okay it's okay. It's even even on the fitness side that if I don't have if I know I'm going to go for a while not having a lot of time and I need to minimize that I might go from our workout to literally a I five minute or ten minute hit workout high intensity interval training something like that and minimize that but if I could just make a little deposit is so profound as opposed to you just don't have time and falling off the wagon and that's what hurts people the most they the term of Oh my gosh I was doing it and I stopped. I lost momentum now. I'm so far behind. It seemed overwhelming Wyoming even start again. There is a lot of power and at least a little deposit as often as you can just to keep keep things going. I love it. You know here's a hit workout for any of the seven spokes. Let's just say you're totally wrapped up in one. That's where you WanNa go but you WANNA get some balance so you you want to like make sure you're getting something on at least one or the other spokes every day. Do you have five minutes so here's what you do do in that area. Let's say it's family. Let's say it's personal. Let's say it's career read or listen to something for just a few minutes. Take a nugget out of it. Write it down and then share it with somebody else so you internalize it inside you simplify fight and then you share it. It could be a text. I could like literally text you Kevin and say hey guess what I learned. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah that actual repetition of learning it and then sharing sharing it and simplifying it that'll sink in and I'll give far more results over the long period then if I do nothing or if I just is read five minutes and forget about it. It's a huge thing but it's the this was this was dad's secret this Zig Ziglar secret read it or hear it simplify it right internalized and then share it and you got family. When you love got friends you love? You'RE GONNA see somebody at the office. You're going to see a client who comes in. Hey guess what I learned. I mean that's how I kind of honed in. I read this study about how they studied people. There's a quote that we have what what you feed your mind determines your appetite and they actually took a group of people and they Adam do affirmations about how much they love Kale they educate. They educated them on Kale's good for you. Here's why what it does to your system and they had affirmations like I love Kale. I Love Kale every time I have Kayla feel matter and after a while these people started they started craving Kale right so we have a choice we can make it intentional so intentional. So what is it that you're what what is it that you're going to get the most out of so you're short hit training for the physical will work on the mental the spiritual the family the financial the personal career which which is that little routine. I I like it. You may think of somebody reminded me of guy interviewed longtime ago named Aaron McHugh. He has a podcast called work life play and he talked about being a pro somebody I think he had on his show talked about at the difference between a pro and they'll say an amateur and that a pro it hasn't paraphrase makes that deposit every day and he talked about his own. You know he's traveling ended up at a hotel L. and he was training for a marathon or training for something like that but he had a goal there and he had a meeting in like thirty minutes and he said there's no way it's raining outside outside. It's dark and I have a meeting. I've been travelling. I'm not going to go for a run and then it came back to mind. The PRO does whatever he lays up shoes he went out and he ran for seven minutes and then he came back in and he got that deposit. So how would it did for his own. Psyche was great made him feel like a pro. He did the meeting better and that was a great project and why are we. Why would any of this be amateurs in life? We're all here to be professionals overall in our life here. Here's another one that I think a lot of people resonate with Tony Cooper. She says for me number two which is friends and family relationships is a strong point. I make it a point to make relationships a high priority. If my kids have specified field trips they want me. They want me to come. I take a day off work once a month. My husband going to date once a month is kids day in which they get to the design the whole day. I've worked in places in which I neglected my relationships no longer do I do this additionally. We have Sunday dinner with the whole family. I always call friends and family and short to see what they're how they're doing. The one area I struggle with is physical and nutrition so Tony as a woman I how can I say this and be l. Politically correct my experience is women's specifically. MOMS specifically will do this no tend to put focus on relationships and the area that almost assumes by proxy that falters is physical nutrition and they get caught into that now. I'm not picking on them. Pick on Tony here because it's awesome what she's doing relationships chips but that's a great play great temptation to get into those poor relation to others will often neglect themselves and physicals one of the hardest then and all of a sudden. They don't have the energy they need to pour in everybody 'cause they're not taking care of their physical sales and I seen my wife she'll tend to ebb and flow and this area. She's so drawn to pour out to other people not do that sick back to self care for herself and she knows it now now. At least she knows that she doesn't feel herself aw she has little to pour out man. It's a daily struggle for her and it just is for her more than me and I see that issue more amongst amongst women generally than men and so interesting to see her showcase those to those to those I don't know maybe we got awesome spokes at work against each other sometimes or never thought about that one yeah you know it's it's like we're always on time time budget. You know we're we're stealing from one or the other and it to me it's log. I'll give you an example of a last night. I'm watching Sunday night football and the commentator says hey I really love this receiver. He's a rookie and he wasn't really expected to be a contributor to the team and look at it and he's already contributing and this is what I call. The guy's attention this young guy who knows does he's going to be the third or fourth option. WHO's not going to get a lot of snaps? He said that his goal when he goes into the game is to present the quarterback with the body language. That's positive all the time so that the quarterback knows exactly where where he is and how available he is in in other words. He predisposed in his mind that I'm going to carry myself whether I'm just a decoy or whether I'm the go to guy that I am ready to get the ball and I think we can all step back and kind of have that same mindset about every area in our life and then we have to back up one so oh I know Tony Pretty well mazing family she's one of our certified trainers and there's a lot going on. I mean you you know and I love it when you've got a young family and you have the fleck space to put the kids first right I mean I mean that's to me. That's the number number one priority when I started my my deal cooking all my own food. I was like Oh my gosh this is this is like hours and hours hours yesterday after doing this now for seven or eight weeks yesterday I cooked it all and half in that during the half of the football game it was like it was all mindless behavior yeah and so I think we gotta have is the mindset that hey it's GonNa be ten. It'd be hard. It's going to be uncomfortable. It's going GONNA be Kinda awkward in the beginning but now it's like this is the way life is right and so I think when we we know when we know that that's eventually going to happen because we done enough. Were more likely to follow through and do it and if you if you don't have that experience or that knowledge then you've got to trust somebody who's been down that path and of course I've had some good coaches with me said hey you know it's GonNa be Kinda weird but you'll figure it out. It'll be no big deal a little while and they were right yeah so your story right there cooking. The food seems overwhelming now. It's mindless sounds suspiciously like a good habit it just it just sounds like somebody I know that talks about that. Habit is simply a good thing repeated over and over again. Yeah that's all it is till your mind it gets it in that. Were you do it mindlessly and it's saving itself or something that's not mindless and next the next new thing when the coke Nicole Christine here she says number one is an area that she's put some things in place finish interesting. I've been working with the fitness coach since March. I have my gym routine down and I have have a meal plan. I follow I'm doing great with that one. There's definitely room for improvement though with all of them but I do practice the miracle morning which folks if you haven't haven't heard recently we did that show it's seven seven with Hal elrod She's a she's. I do that as often as I can for. The mental aspect for financial started using the every dollar APP. I think that's Dave Ramsey's. Isn't it okay sheds. It's free. It's free there you go every dollar to track expenses for spiritual. I go to Church weekly attend a Bible study. Once a week and I read a daily devotion. I'm pretty career oriented and work a lot so relationships and personal are the ones John's where I can be. I need to be much more intentional about creating habits and that one I'll tell you we culturally right now. That's the one that we are hearing so much about not only relationships but just community. That's the one that comes out that even even those who may have a friend end or two which we have less and less we were connected with everybody but we don't have real intimacy but it's also a community which I think for most people is going beyond on. It doesn't community doesn't mean that you're surround people you know being at a workplace and you're around a bunch of people today are they your invested community which we used in our grandparents grandparents new nothing different than that everything was community focused but we're in the short span of time now where we don't have. It's kind of like it's kind of like fitness Tom. We you know we used to we didn't have to exercise like our grandparents. Great grandparents life was exercise it included walking and lifting and bending and running whatever I mean that was just life today we don't have to have this. We have to artifacts artificially insert that in their lives same thing with community and this is what this is what Howard Award Partridge talked about what was his book on community. Tom I just blanked on it the power of community of power community and he talked about the similar thing. I remember when in our interview with them we got onto that today we used to rely on community we had to today. We do not have to so now. We have two in the same sense like exercise. We have to manufacturer that it's something that we as a human need but we don't need it for our survival anymore. So now we have to create that and go uh-huh intentionally look after that. That's one that I had to pay special attention to Tom because I am a I am an introvert. I get rejuvenated by being gene by myself but there's obviously something you get from groups of people so I have to intentionally go out sometimes begrudgingly to do that and yet I know the benefit that there is to my life so community. I think that's one where we're all were place culturally where it's a good audit to take are you. Do you have a community. Do you have in group. You know I'll I'll do the grocery store example with community you know we don't go back too far forty fifty years ago. All our food was whole very few package things not much processing no chemicals and then as manufacturing started becoming in they figured out that we gotta take the nutrition out of the food to make it store on the shelf especially things he's like Omega threes and so all of a sudden we were getting more calories but less nutrition so our body crazy nutrition and so we gotta eat more calories salaries to get the same amount of nutrition so all of a sudden obesity and all these side effects kick in. I really think social media in the last fifteen years is this kind of that same phenomenon we we thought we were getting the same type of friendship and community and support you know because we were we were connecting. We were getting all this volume and having all these impressions that make you feel good. The only problem was there's no nutrition and those impressions online right. It's not the same as you know touching somebody on the arm while you're talking or you know having that deep deep conversation that'll never be shared on facebook or should I was gonna say would never be shared on facebook but I can't should never be shared on facebook facebook and what you're speaking to from from the processed food aspect we talk about that and health and wellness everyb- people over fed and undernourished right and that is an absolute so I'm sure that somebody brighter than I have has said what you're talking about. I was sitting and you're trying to type it out. Are we as my best I can do quickly were over contacted but under connected I wanted to say I mean on facebook facebook on twitter on instagram but we're super connected so maybe it's overcast but we're under what we we lacked intimacy we depth so I don't have have a fancy way of saying over fed undernourished but that's what you're talking about and we are we are more connected and I say that with quotes we've got a thou- instead of a a handful of close friends. We have a billion friends facebook. I've got thousands of friends people that I don't know or that I talked to once in a blue moon or I've never met face to face drastic mystic difference from those that I meet face to face or even you and I man there's never week goes by. I don't think but we're doing okay zoom. It's not face to face. It's not pressing the flesh but it's it's you and me I can see your face. I mean it's next level I think to that as opposed to the myriad of friends that's a great analogy to pull out and I think they've studied this. They know that people are wired to handle about one hundred sixty relationships yeah and so you can look at the natural size of villages and communities businesses and business flow oh before they really start to have issues is around one hundred and fifty hundred seventy somewhere in there people and so what I would try to figure out as maybe you know from Your Group of friends. How many of them are you really doing life with yeah where where you're on the phone with them or your face to face with them and you're Sharon life's experience and we don't need one hundred sixty? You know we probably need twelve. You know Bob Bodine said in the power of who you know twelve twelve friends one of them didn't turn out very well. Three of them are really close. One of me loved dearly and thousands of two years later that model of twelve friends you know kind of paid off for Jesus so so you know maybe maybe that's what we do. Is We look at our family and maybe maybe twelve friends. We really set a goal to do life with and we get overwhelmed because it's like we thank the community means going to this club and that's social activity and everything else when really I think it's a it's a what we want is deep rich rich high nutritional relationships well even here on the ziglar talking to tens of thousands of people that we're going to expect backed we know are more aspiring populace of people demographic of people but even there I know and I want to at least speak to that. There are a lot of people well here and that no are well aware that they do not have really one friend that is that close friend knows their life that knows what's going on. I don't want to say that I don't want anybody here that and to feel shame for that that is the culture that we are in and we have high profile people high functioning people successful so at least in some areas of life these days who do not have that because again we've grown away in the same way that we have some that are not in good physical shape at all. They don't really invest in that at all because you don't have to four-base survival now. We're talking about overall success. That's what the seven spokesman about. If you went overall success as we're talking talking about as you said you've got to have investments in all those areas otherwise you gotTa clunky wheel going around so overall says but you can have significant success in certain areas areas and totally ignore those in that is one that is happening more and more and more and more where people are doing their work with the computer they're online and they do not have one person that they are really connected with. It knows them that knows is you said intimacy and vulnerabilities and other work even their spouse. We're seeing that happen a lot too so I don't want. I don't want anybody to feel bad. I want you to know if that's you're. You're in good company. It's a hard thing to say that you are but my goodness that is one if left unaddressed pretty much is gonNA deteriorate the rest of them cause us to a lot too hard place to be an into step out and go. How do I do that at the whole show or it's probably a podcast in and of itself well? Hey I appreciate everybody the WHO fed into this and it's Tom. I mean you know you and I talk about this. I'll tell you folks. I want to admit I am not arrived. I don't think I ever will be in this. This is a constant daily effort to wake up and as you talked about with cooking I mean these habits as you do them. They do get easier but there's not a day that goes by that. I don't think about them. Them and I have to intentionally look forward. I need to invest. I gotTA deal with my finances. Otherwise I'm going downhill. I need to invest in that relationship. I need to do it. There are some that are easy to physical nutrition man. That was easy for me actually like most of that but that's one spoke. I'm not looking to be javelin. I WANNA the appeal I'm laughing on the inside because I remember when dad turns sixty and he had this big old grin any sites and can you believe how far I've come and then he looked at me and he said and just think I'm still tin. Maybe fifteen maybe twenty years away from my peak so it's awesome. It's just kind of this philosophy. The more you learn the more you know there is to learn and you know the richer the deeper the better everything can be as you you grow and the question is are you intentional every day in the choices you make the habits that you intentionally built in your life. That'll take you to the life you want. I have nothing better to say then right there thank you. There's our anchor folks. They go. Tom Always gift brother. Thanks for given me right there right then well friends. I would encourage you to put together a list of even the minimal investments you can almost always always make in your daily routine routine in each of the seven spokes ziglar wheel of life a list you can succeed in just about no matter what the obviously then if you could do more wonderful wonderful and you'll benefit from that but at least you made a successful deposit in every area almost every single day coming up next and show seven seventeen I I discovered a really valuable addition to the habit show and the ziglar wheel of life courtesy of a small revelation I had and then an answer her from Brian Dixon Brian our guest and show seven fifteen rediscussed the message from his new book start with your people so when I got to the personal spoke Brian offered offered a couple of things that he does but for some reason I wanted more I can't explain why and the thought of of asking him about self care occurred to me so along with the the immediately gave a few answers to the personal spoke but when I asked about self care immediately three answers that were significant things that he does for himself and interestingly all three were things that I've never done four myself so that was kind of fun to look at it was really interesting and insightful. I think you'll get a lot from this. Show till then folks. Thank you as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire true

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AP Headline News Oct 24 2018 14:00 (EDT)

AP Radio News

03:00 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 24 2018 14:00 (EDT)

"The AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue. New York mayor, Bill de Blasio says, the city will not be intimidated. Very concept of terrorism is to change us. We will not allow that to happen and explosive device was sent to CNN's headquarters in New York devices were intercepted that were sent to Hillary Clinton's home in New York and former President Barack Obama's home in Washington. Another device was sent to democratic donor George Soros in New York on Monday. This is the governor of New York. Andrew Cuomo device has been sent to my office in Manhattan. Which we would just informed about. And that device is also being hand the AP saga megani reports, Hillary Clinton is out of town. The Bob never made it to the Chappaqua house where Bill Clinton was home, Hillary Clinton was in Florida. We are fine. Thanks to the men and women of the secret service at a political event. She said, agents intercepted the device long before it got to the house here at the White House. Vice president Pence tweeted the attempted attacks on the Clintons and others work cowardly and have no place in this country. President Trump re tweeted that adding I agree wholeheartedly saga megani at the White House. John Miller with NYPD says the devices that were sent appear to be connected sent by the same person in Florida. A bomb squad robot is being used in the investigation of suspicious package at the office of congresswoman. Debbie, Wasserman Schultz, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee, Russian President. Vladimir Putin warned if the US. Intermediate range missiles in Europe. Russia will have to target the nations that would host them. The stern statement follows President Trump's announcement over the weekend. He intends to opt out of a nuclear arms control deal over alleged Russian violations Saudi Arabia's, powerful crown prince said today, the killing of Washington Post columnist, Jamal kashogi and Turkey is a heinous crime that cannot be justified. This is AP radio news. The winning one point, five billion dollar mega millions lottery ticket was sold at CJ Patel store. Casey mart in Simpson Ville South Carolina. Glad to be here. You know, would attention and good for the community. You know it is. The winner is fully spend that money locally. The name of the winner is not known yet the South Carolina lotteries. Tony Cooper says he has some advice for that person, deep breath. Put that ticket in a secure location. Consult with a trusted adviser. Hey, legal adviser, a trusted financial advisor. Signed the back of that tickets. We may never know who the winner is South Carolina's one of eight states where winners can remain anonymous. The winner has one hundred eighty days to claim the prize. The odds that were broken one in three hundred two point, five million. I'm Donahue AP radio news.

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722: Why you want to market to qualified people

The Ziglar Show

57:04 min | 1 year ago

722: Why you want to market to qualified people

"Element the way to have more tomorrow is to become more today so we bring you the best of today's world influencers and their messages and discover how we can apply welcome everyone I'm Kevin Miller and this is the ziglar show inspired by the grandfather of inspiration himself Zig Ziglar our focus here is you and your personal a suspect a suspect is a name that could be a prospect so the name any name offers hope but unless that hope has a solid well our group capable of making the decision only product our service the salesperson is selling their is honestly a difference between a prospect and foundation than we only have suspect a prospect has a need for the product of possible desire to own that product and the financial capacity sponsors right after I share some great products and services that we've curated for you friends I invite you to my new podcast the true life show we just posted it to implement that decision use spend time with suspect you invest time with prospects so the question becomes in those two things is marketing getting interested parties in front of you and key in on the word interested most of today's are much of today's marketing cast a really lied people so do you have a product or service most of the People in the Ziegler audience do or they would like to well are you good at selling it to appropriately prospect and get more of the right people in front of you to market and sell to Tom and I will bring you these great comments and or physical bodies we atrophy I mean the great myth for those who are not necessarily concerned about physical strength and ability and wellbeing is that our minds can fully function anyways that requires us to exercise as this concept was unnecessary for the majority of all time in humanity I mean daily living used to require us to engage in healthful movements we into people prospect the answer is all the time prospecting is not an eight to five job prospecting when done gracious leak and be only in recent times can we exist survive for days on him without ever raising our heart rate or using our muscles for much more than lifting a fork to our mouth and without proper good stress prospecting where he talks about these measurements that you want to look at it from it I asked this question to the ziglar audience what type of marketing works best for Your Business we'll tons of responses and I had Tom Ziegler come on we talk through a bunch of them and really bring you great crash course in what you can be doing almost unanimous prospecting is the most important key to say oh success well what is a prospect a prospect is an individual etched water from a stream or well and touted heavy buckets around or we walked or rode horses for long distances hunted animals harvested food labor to cook meals from raw ingredients and on and on question is what exercises necessary and best for you and the answer at least the framework the answer well that's what you'll find an episode seven of the true life show Sir ever people are present once again the best paying hard work in the world is selling and the poorest paying easy word based on three measurements whereas Tom Ziegler talks about and prospect he's qualified people when the show we listened to a four minute message from zig on you done in virtually any environment including social situations on an airplane in an airport at a luncheon a club meeting are where if they're relevant for your product or want it he was fond of prospecting where you pursue people you know are interested in what you have to offer and have the ability to get it assode seven here's the description for our body and mind to be as well as possible it's imperative that we daily move and stress our lungs and muscles we must realize it's our culture today and this is like expecting a beautiful flower to exist when the roots and body and leaves are neglected and malnourished. It's just not possible if your body is compromised so as your brain in mind so the for it in itunes now the consensus among the outstanding sales people in sales trainers ardently when the business gets in you you will discover that prospecting is not a chore it is Truly An exciting opportunity for success mass awed blanket out into the digital world and hopes to find the right people will zig ziglar referred to that as pursuing suspects people you don't know they don't know you know the world is selling are chosen field is not an industry that allows us to coast when you get in the business of professional selling on more friend Cabinet Robert has a little phrase you got to circulate before you can percolate how true it is there's no denying the fact that activity Lee has an entirely different meaning the C. stands for communication this means that every time you communicate with anybody who remotely in the world of sales is critical you do need to be making contacts and calls the alert salesperson is constantly in the state of awareness with relationship is probably your best prospect for additional goods products our services if you represent a company which has an extensive resembles a prospect are one who might know prospect in some way you communicate the business you're in and you're interested in sharing the aided the concept of making the contacts and getting those references now let's do a more detailed analysis on copd and see what we can learn right but what you have to offer with the prospect the O. stands for observation you watch and listen to what's going on around you whether it's in about finding more prospects one of the keys in prospecting is to always remember that the person with whom you've already established a root elevator on a bus crowded store at a club are social gathering the D. stands far dedication you need to be dedicated additional Adam's okay so everybody's heard the message a Tom from Your Father Zig Ziglar on prospecting sales process you've built a relationship develop confidence in report established the fact that you're a person who can be trusted and convinced hasn't here's open for business in the minds of most people see od stands for cash on delivery but in the world of prospecting sales gland of products are if they've come out with new Adams you certainly won't to offer them to your customers you've already covered the basic obstacles in the sea terminology I think that is a symptom of our social media culture I mean think about it when when most got a record number of replies on the low side I got one one reply like something wrong with facebook does what what the deal and got sixty replies so it sounds like marketing is a term we all know prospect and prospecting the right it's kind of that face to face a little like I could get personally rejected whereas marketing is the prospect that what you offer as value under these circumstances it's natural that these customers are your best prospects to sell a lot of times it's just to the masses it's just throw it out there hey you know anybody ever drink water the question every week I get lots of response I posted this question for those of you who have a product or service to offer who is your target prospect and where do you find them it's thirty years ago maybe I know it I'm old enough to have heard that from the masters of sales but have we have we lost clarification that they are they want your product that they are viable for your product so the question I post and folks can go look at this on facebook so I they make more presentations to qualified prospects that's it and so what's a presentation all this study and they came up with the formula of what do the top five percent earners in any industry new in sales I took this class it was a three day class and they they had this formula and they said they did all this research we'll take about prospecting they think about you know going up to stranger and saying Hey Kevin can I show you something and I thought I guess it's just a question that people didn't understand or whatnot so I changed it to what type of marketing works best for Your Business and he may he he clarified that suspects over here that's where you throw the net out to everybody prospects or people over here who have clarify you know there's there's some the end sales what do they do that's different than everybody else and it's the same thing it doesn't matter what industry you're in and here it is investment that's three so that's a qualified prospect in there you go and that is a huge deal man I will never forget because people the assumption that hey this is good for anyone or maybe assume that I had the money to invest or whatever but didn't vet me at all to realize that I don't invest when it's an introduction it's building relationship it's understanding what they're looking for it's answering objections it's offering your in and somebody says yeah I do you know then it's like okay well that's marketing versus prospecting is more intense I remember when I was meet a lunch and pitched me on an investment and I was so disappointed in the guy he wasted an according but it's somebody who has an interest they have the capacity to make the investment and they have the authority to make the investment defied so here so let's dive into some of the responses here and talk about it from that angle so first response was that relevant for our audience of course because if it's not we're wasting everybody's time I know you do a lot in the affiliate World Chris Fall to the wayside and honestly Tom when I heard the message when I was vetting and listen to the message and I know prospecting but I can't tell you the last time I heard anybody say it organic searching email marketing obviously email marketing hopefully you're only emailing the people whose email address you've accumulated from a an interest you know that they have really no me who I associate with and they know kind of what I'm about and I had a guy who said I really want to pick your brain on a business idea and I'm GonNa have a different direction that I've chosen and I would have respected him and he could've saved his time manny didn't qualify me so I love that that they pitch two more ups but the big one was they only make these presentations to qualified prospects and so what to qualified prospect while it went over it and the I think I think generally people do a good job of making sure they're not doing affiliate marketing to the wrong audience yeah the list and the interest oh clientele question mark and of course the answer is absolutely there's that's the worst that can happen no client let's talk about so the audience needs to be similar the one place that's a little bit different is if you get a guy like Tim Ferriss who promoted yeah right and so that's how affiliate can be very powerful and so some people are affiliates for everything in that dilutes your influence it dilutes the quality of lead that you get in I know one of the things that we do is for our coaching they really interested in it or not because if they're not then we're both investing a lot of time and nothing's going to happen yeah Chen for direction he says I want to be life coach I have a degree in I o psychology what is that any idea a tune ity and there are so many people who have great ability great council great guidance they could be a great coach like Utah might be a and things like that we like to have a strategy session with them before they say yes and it's important for us to know how qualified are they ages and building a coaching business one is getting leads and that is to me that that that's they need it they had the one they need it or want it that's one they are authorized to make the decision that's too and they have the ability to make the itching for a second here because man coaching is is something air so much opportunities weight loss mentors such a demand or so much multi however the issue with being a coach is you are selling yourself when zig ziglar was selling pots and pans of course he is he well here's one that's right up your alley Tom Thomas Linke he says I've got an idea that just came to me yesterday and I actually know who this guy is he's he's really searched direction I'm more of a real estate guy I just don't and if you'd asked me I said Man I it's great concept but I'm not interested I'm just not I'm not interested in that direction but affiliate partnerships to Tom I've been talking to some folks about doing more of that but it is absolutely vetting the I got this great product over here and I have to say is summit process it's a step by step question process to where you were getting clarity on the table the person who's interested in what we do real organizational wow okay yes so he's got some education there and some background you know great code changes they usually come out of a out of a background were there an expert now this is what what we found is there's too them and whoever their prospect is to actually model how to sign somebody up how to Roll Enroll Somebody in coaching to see if they're good fit for us they self discover hey I wanna be a part of Ziegler and then we're asking the questions so you need to know and so part of our system is we will actually work with the coach if they bring a lead we'll do some enrollment sessions with but the hard part is converting and so what we've done and the reason that you know Kevin Sterling this lob over as we just started the shoes just work I mean that is learning the system understanding what you've gotTa do and you get somebody who's interested in whatever you're doing and you bring them in product or solution in its that's all things so you you don't make a lot of money if you skip any of those stuff you know there's two things you don't want somebody who's not fit and the perfect prospect who slips through your fingers and and then continue and learning hey they're good fit for ziglar and so if you're a coach in Urine Rolling Somebody to do coaching with them this is an awesome process a win coaching system where we actually teach the people who come in to our coaching program. One one coaches a enroll it's it's for your prospects best interest right the last thing in the world you want somebody who's not a fit well actually to find out what's the best fit maybe I am the fit maybe I know somebody who's a better fit and if you go in with that mindset the fear rejections gone and when you do it right there like excited to be you know finally I found a home where somebody's GonNa coach and helped me grow that's the like that's you know that that drives a lot of traffic as he's got the reputation that if he doesn't like or doesn't see a benefit he's not going to be oh you should ask me earlier I'll look it up while we're talking Okay look up I o psychology is I don't know he says I'm going to go for it what's the worst that could happen just to struggle in life because they didn't engage with you I mean that's that's something I can't live with either so you don't you don't win everybody but if there carrie she is a voice actor and I help her market and sell her voice acting classes I that's really unique I like that or two they would be so grateful that they would have so much appreciation for that I would get referrals from them that could result in two three sales but just get people's trust and whatnot but the focal point is the pots and pans to some you know to a decent degree when you very coach it is one hundred percent you and that's why there are so many beginning ads or the middle I can't remember what it is in the show but Ziglar Dot com slash coaching systems that's where you can find this new offering about prospecting mindset if your mindset is I got to sell somebody something you've got fear of rejection while I offend them will they like what I have Tom is Spearheading Ziglar Dot com slash coaching systems. I can't reiterate it enough if you are a coach or you want to be a coach please go check it out that's the big thing that we found ours and that's why we've decided to offer that and really provide that support as part of our system and it really is the reason you do that Eric Olsen here he says organic search email marketing and affiliate partnerships and ask them what this product he says I work with my wife his his endorsement gold so yeah when he recommends a product or service even though you might not associated with him the need for coaching of coaches and can I lob that at you Tom since you take that away you bet so I o- stands for industrial the facebook groups or social media I have seen people really succeed without Tom where they go into a group that is that the great fit and you the right process you can get somebody on the path of changing their life right away and a lot of this Kevin is mindset so let's talk now it happened but it was from people who were doing it it was allowed people who are doing it well and they were in their serving so that was the big that's always been most of those groups these days I was just in one recently and right at the top in the banner said no solicitations no posting your url no whatever that relationship should be and the challenges is worthy you know is there like coaching school you can go to to do that it's you know it's a hard thing to find that's the one is that a good average it's somewhere between five to one and seven to one I know I've been taught on linked in that Victor Hugo in there and you serve you serve and give the best knowledge the best go back to coaching best information the best help you can because that's the tragedy is people who can give great coaching but they can't get prospects in front of them to sell it to or they do and like you said Tom they aren't a debt mm-hmm Olympia she says I post on facebook groups and referrals and you're gonNa hear the the referrals come up a lot and we can talk about that same thing that's you know in the business to business space going in joining groups and serving those groups and just providing information and knowledge given any way to everybody for a long time and let somebody asked my Gosh what do you do and then answer them with hour of his time in and our of mine because he never qualified me he just knew who I was and business guy and whatever and just will really get your credibility up and then when you post an article or something like that then the people who are following you because you give good advice nationals working hard to attract and retain all the best talent that's why kronos puts HR payroll talent timekeeping on a single cloud based platform and their needs are on the top right there on the table right out in front and then it's discovery process for both the hey it is a fit in marketing Mike this there so many gives give this many times before the ask and I've heard different numbers around it ah I want to reiterate that that I had to learn that and learned that if I've got four people that I can possibly sell the the offer but that right there what is the old what is the you you probably know at Tom. There's I'm sure there's different numbers at it but where you know uh-huh Cronos knows that for many organizations maintaining a modern workforce of hourly full and part-time workers can be a challenge this is especially true for human resources we need that and I tell them that to two things would invariably happen one they would try to talk me into them by that often happen I know that there's a need they know there's a need there's a you know a group if you're selling surfboards there's just surfing group so of course go in there however yeah exactly Tom that aspect of sales and that's you know doing sales a- correctly so you just mentioned that and you're GonNa hear the you'll hear the ad in one of our uh-huh S. dot com slash H. R. Swagger kronos Workforce Innovation that works well I'll tell you another one on it's one specifically designed to give HR professionals supporting a blended workforce a whole new level of competence with Kronos they have everything they need to tackle nearly about the power of storytelling as the lead for any promotion you do and it's a big deal in today's overcrowded marketplace you really gonna WanNa hear this so we'll dive right back that the message right here that you've heard on serving ahead of selling will will serve you incredibly well in your efforts next we're GonNa talk about re through a comment enough that sales to help that person overcome the real and the perceived obstacles that they have they could keep them from getting what they need with all right offer that's the wrong mindset the mindset is oh wow golly here's somebody who's looking for a solution I want to serve them storytelling and word of Mouth Marketing This is from Tony Cooper and she has training business and she says she used leader and I've had them do that well I think it's this but man Kevin had a really great message on it over here here's a link to it or Kevin mentioned something over here and he I have led some groups and I've had people come in and obviously yeah they're just selling booed him out but I've had some come in human resources challenge and are empowered to not just find and hire the right people but to engage motivate and reward them every step of the way so learn more about crony Ervin me plus feeding my ego okay admittedly and I think this this person's a Rockstar I ended up reaching out to them and I don't know how many times I've ended up hiring someone goes eight our solutions for the modern workforce and the people who support them at Cronos dot com slash H. R. Swagger that's K. R. O. N. if you want if you help enough other people get what they want something along those lines something that's a good quote and quote we should we should use that all right raining contract with Home Depot someone showed them our follow up process of telling stories to teach Tom that message we keep asked her storytelling to whom she says I used story brand marketing now I'm assuming that's right from the heart of Donald Miller folks he and he's got a book story brand specs and I'm focused on those four sales that so often it would happen where I'd find somebody and if I'm being honest having integrity in the sale in realizing men L. Meller were big fans she's I used story ran marketing which is word of mouth marketing all our thank you cards and emails tell a story versus a simple thank you it kind of this concept but they're just a know it all they have an answer for everybody that's not always best either it's the ones that come in give what they can but then refer back to the a Michigan area and she she just does a fantastic job you know there was a well known speaker names exhibitor and everything that he taught wasn't a story ace then they jump in and that's you know that's serving I where we heard that for before serve is awesome guys like zig or something like that actually apply new and classic methodologies personal growth to our lives in this episode why you want to market to qualify but if you send a story that encompasses a reinforcement of what you're doing especially if you're in the education and what Tony's talking about is you know you can do bullet points you can do a quick thank you and people go That was nice I said thank you based on what type of training I'm doing with the company we tell the story of what we were doing I found that it's been a great way to build my business and reputation it's how I received a long-term in the marketplace are doing it that well I struggle with it I'm a bullet point guy I love bullet points they're my favorite that does not sell in today's world store this is didn't they remember it because you gotta remember going into seventy eighty ninety percent of people are too busy any way to look at it right and so learn over and over I mean how many commercials even on TV do they bring you in and try to give you a short story. I mean they're doing it so well today I don't think many people people who are bullet point oriented we look at long posts and we're like oh I don't have time for that right but you probably don't have time for a short post either I mean that's just the reality Lak- so the idea is where's the uptake what are you remember what he learned and then once you reputation grows it's far more likely that people are going to keep you know that they're going to read more and more hasn't name you're listening to the Ziglar show and I thank you for helping us as we clips forty million downloads I trust this one's a hard area for me I don't know what you're finding out there well Tony's dot mit she's one of our certified trainers She's up in again after I share some great products and services we think will be value to you today's episode is brought to you by Kronos a premier supporter of ziglar that or referring them or have an as a guest or whatnot so again that was the quote there's some other guy that said something about a you never everything everything in above so hats off and that's that's a that's an you know what that's one of those strategies it's easy to do and easy not to the promotion here either so Tony Said is legal legacy certified folks if you go to ziglar dot Com to make this all ziglar that's fine it's our show we can yeah yeah well okay so here is a come on I'm GONNA I'm not gonNA miss the shameless here's here's my soapbox referrals we all logically I think expect if we do a good job I refer Tom Dots Yeah so let me I'll just teach a system that we teach to our small business owners that we work with us it does it doesn't happen enough and I was taught to ask ask for the referral even given a pitch for says word of mouth friend and family referrals she says I have a dental practice we pulled our patients and it was about seventy five percent referrals from friends testimony if you refer we will do X. Y. Z. and that sometimes it's been used poorly I think I think it helps personally I'm a fan because we need your for that simple thing I was part of a company and we quadrupled the Repeat Referral Business and a two year period of time if we take care people if we help them get what they want all zig ziglar that day will help us get what we want and they will tell other people and they give referrals south love what you're doing you're hygienist is cleaning somebody's teeth so it's a brand new customer they've come in so the hygienist just says number thirteen okay so you can go check out Z.. Legacy certification here is one Colella she we need your referrals matter of fact right now while you're buying this product or buying the service you're thinking about it a lot you probably know people right now you've talked about we'd love to get in contact with me to shut up so you can do that aren't you now all planned out and structured I was just riffing okay go ahead yeah so Kelly dentists okay so check check accompany I was a part of back then that said Look Mr and Mrs Smith you're going to get world class service here you're going to you're going to experience something like you've never ask it's not enough generally to do a great job because a some degree that's what people expect they expect a great job so if you do that they're thrilled but they don't often take the and then in the conversation say hey how would you like to get your your teeth cleaned for free in the future received before but that's because all of our effort all of our energy is focused on you not on going out and trying to sell a bunch of strangers you're not going to see billboard ads and ads in an industry that doesn't have a real quick turnover either so men that that's so that's my that's my pitch Tom is we we got generally worst so we're so used to going out and telling everybody helps accessible we are hey we did this many sales or we're doing this great and what it some families or specialist we talk about referrals from any Tom yes that's that's a big one so I was schooled on this a long long time ago effort and there is the you know the ethical bribe which is gets good and bad reviews on and look if you leave us a review they'll give us and then if I deliver on that I'll ask you if I did would you feel comfortable referring and by the way when you do refer us however that is spend a hundred dollars on marketing how much business do they expect to get back now it's usually four two one five to one so if I spend a hundred dollars and I'm not being attentive you let me know because we work on referrals and I want you to feel good about referring I wanna earn that hey how you doing great i WanNa do this my goal is to give you five star service so if any point I'm missing something so what we teach is you set the expectation on the front end hey I'm gonNA create a five star experience hold me accountable. Whoever sent that referral in ten percent that's ten to one return and people love it I mean it's such a simple simple thing and what tells everybody has made you're doing great you don't really need any help and coming down off that with a little humility but stadium we are going to take care of you gotta stay behind been exists and were able to keep our rates low because we don't have to spend a lot of money on marketing it's because we like doing business with people like you here's a secret to referrals we'll even write you a check for it and then at the end hey did I give five star would you mind referring out okay so here's the interesting thing carry-ons pay a little bit more but but have complete peace of mind and that business wants me to come there because guess who I'm going to refer the same if you talk to most business owners in they spend dollars on marketing let's just say facebook AD newspaper Ad Radio ad how many you know I'm one of those people who met I give you often going to take the time to give an Amazon review to go give a yelp review to give testimony to think about gosh the paper and Yada Yada all the stuff you're gonna see us spend all our time and money on you that makes us however dependent on you and we do need your referrals and it was kind of the counter thanks for giving US letting US know that we gave you five star service then tell a little story about we give you ten percent back or whatever they spend on their first visit I mean it's just an so you take the pressure off it's not like the most profitable business are prospect we can be in front of client we can we can have going to your people you've already done business with refer people just like them yeah right and so I would rather work with the business that gives five star service in Expe- I bet it's worse today than ever people are just busy I know I am Tom I'm so bad about it sometimes so let's just let's just echo what you just said out you know echoes that thing and then say hey don't forget we'd love referral from you in that way you can get your next cleaning free there you go throughout my best marketing and interestingly just by participating here in the show was followed by a Guy Michael who says hey I'm in real estate then they give you five star service and then four days later and I thank you card goes in the mail and what if what if you had a picture of them in your office on the thank you card so now it's personalized and and you just say hey thanks for pull me into them other than them just being another vanilla bookkeeper out there and the grand scheme of things Yup I love it you know the what's that about well any referral that comes in whatever that try you know whatever that a piece of businesses we give you ten percent back you can use it however you want just what you said Tom Having a system is the most beneficial thing you can have with furrows because we all sit around thinking we should be getting them because we're doing such a great job p keeping for dentists and if you know that industry so what do you know Kim I'd geared towards a certain direction roles I of your target in narrow your niche as much as possible just to that and then grow out from there so I'll I'll I love that advice at the end you see pop the question on Hey can I get a referral now it's just built in hey this is a word of mouth business and we live qualifying one of being in front of a qualified person one of my favorite aspects right here she's a virtual bookkeeper I would say even if you could say I can I am an Arbonne independent consultant you know we had a Mary Kay was one we had up there before I didn't mention what business the lady was end but so here's another a Ah Tony Cooper talked about story brand telling a story so you're the dental hygienist and you've got a new patient that comes in what was the movie anyway years ago the there's a line of the movie that said aim small small so what's the should already you established trust you have credibility and go into them man that is that is the place to go but you got to you got to ask me in involved I'll tell you I mean let's talk about prospecting but when we come back to where you started talking Tom About Kelly with the dental services and there are so many dental I don't know what the dental it seems like there's dental experts everywhere in different areas that's a great one I do here's John and Thomas referrals from clients I do freelance digital marketing. Tom Schwab who I know responding to that he's referrals timeless hypoc people there you go master coaching session right here on the show worth the price of admission referrals we all we should know so you just combine it all a huge I mean literally this that that bid on referrals folks is one of the most beneficial things you could hear in this show stranger if we listen carefully people let us know what they need is some degree Tom we're we're we're just into sales overall I know you just gave us a eighty percent of our clients come through referrals podcasts host PR and marketing agencies publishers and clients. But I'll tell you guys like Tom they're out here's Kim Dunkin she says I'm a virtual bookkeeper I started in July my at which is a recording just a few months ago my first client was referred to me by a friend I'm still trying to figure I do some real estate out of out of state could use some bookkeeping we private message me and they did so maybe she got a client right there outta just showing up and I'm going to butcher the quote but I think Gary Keller who wrote the One thing said that their business and they're like the largest real estate company in the world asking for it they are and you've got a you've just got to be willing to do that and what's the worst thing that can happen somebody says they won't say no I don't like you hopefully ed relationship business which if you build a relationship you help somebody grow your you know that's your greatest bill In Christopher Lockett who we interviewed on the show plus been awhile with his book play bigger he has a new book now called Niche down and it's on that time I don't know what the sales numbers still are but it's amazing how often the people that we have on the show here that was there that was there I need to get a five hundred dollar piece of business back because I've got cost to goods got overhead I've got everything else well if you're paying your referrals wait for anybody it's numbers granted you will do the best thing you can for yourself and everyone else if you pitcher to Tommy you've probably heard that other people who state space and Mary Kay our bond these the people who are successful and that's the same thing they're in their in personal development leaders services industry and his focus was people investing their money but investing in arenas that lined up with their I mean networking these days you've mentioned right off the bat social networks we have but that is such a going back to zig message that's a suspect area aboard the the product or service that you have that just solves the problem but what makes you unique and different the reason people stick around and still talking about how do you go fine we're back to prospects people who you know actually want what are there in the market even morals their faith even as opposed to just investing where it's doing good and not knowing that you're supporting something that you wouldn't otherwise support you maybe making a good bler industry Arbonne independence have built a strong business by sharing my own success story back on story and helping others with their success I lost twenty apple and try to stand above the crowd and I said let's don't let's just think about where you're investor is and go get in front of them some the tutorial on that but this is prospecting is a parcells I mean this is why secrets closing sales one of the best selling business books of all and so instead of joining everybody else's networking group she created her own and it's called game changers and wouldn't ask him say I D- I don't know anybody right okay that's that's fine but stay in top mine and asking for Robin Sushi's from a little town called Wichita falls about an hour and a half from from Dallas and she was thinking about how do I do networking soup pounds through our nutrition program if kept it off for well over three years people ask and I love to share I find podcast like yours provide the inspiration competence I need to share even with only invites people that she wanted the group so here's the genius of it she's doing the same session once a week every you know every week so she's only preparing Russian every week for a month so she'll teach for twenty minutes to the twelve and then she leads a mastermind with that twelve and she she she she maximizes it by only allowing people to come and she does the same and you know and everybody's trying to pitch their stuff and people often criticize it just for that and I go there and it's just so everybody can try to sell each other a car dealership and make a partnership other other places where he knew those are the type of people that are relevant for his service as opposed again just three yeah and you know you've just got to be real quick one of our here's her name is dusty Stern Adele she she she jeff or they're at the country club or at the high end hotel or they're you know so we're stereotype in a little bit that doesn't all line up not all the millionaire millionaires she's now the place where people go to figure out hey how do I get this done yeah right and it started off with the serving mindset hey how can I there's so many let's go back to some examples Tom let's just candidly talked about a guy at a client he was in the investment office but it's over here in this fund or whatever so that was his question to me was made how do I get in front how do I go out there against all the other financial services bookkeeper I wanna I wanNA bookkeeper who knows podcasting how's that and you think what's wise bookkeeping different with podcasting it's probably not but that's going to they said they're not he said our business is really a leadership training and development company that just happens to operate in the residential one time because it's the same and then the whole sessions about the people in the room it's not about her a mastermind is is is really door are spending lots of money but we can still find where those people are outside of just that industry and so he was able to go over there and and make a partnership with a but man that's I can't I would start there even just with where you're going after and if you decide I mean we just had was that with the nine business you know networking is a term that we here I don't know if we hear it as much as we used to say there were networking people think of good of the Chamber of Commerce when everything out there to the suspects and I think that's why people get burnt out with networking Tom you see in that happened a hundred times or else so he's working with high in class I think at the time most of his clientele or people who had three hundred grand more to invest I said where are those people there at the

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Falato on Football: Week 2 Review

"Support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. Now, there are more ways to be a team with Microsoft teams bring everyone together in a new virtual room, collaborate live building ideas on the same page and see more of your team on screen at once learn more at Microsoft dot com slash teams hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Philosophy on football. This is weak twos addition of the show and it's pretty devastating show because there were a rash of injuries around the National Football League. Pretty sure. The NFL is putting triage tents all over the country we have big names Christian McCaffrey dealing with injuries. We have saquon Barkley, the went down what? With what looks like a torn ACL has not been confirmed yet, there will be more is done on Monday right now it's about two o'clock in the morning on Monday mornings we do not have that information yet. We got players like Davante Adams go down a hamstring injuries. WE'RE GONNA go over all of these injuries and that's for the NFL play. It was jam packed, high scoring affair that were out of. Interesting Games. I guess you could say the Falcons, definitely? Falcon. We'll definitely get into that but let's start with these injuries because they're important and I will start with Saquon Barkley Take Barkley he left the game originally from what looked like he came down awkwardly on his elbow looked like he could have been a hyperextended elbow he left for maybe a player to and Dion Lewis came in and Then the very next play. It was one of the best run SAQUON Barkley had all season. He hit the gap and boast outside after he got to the second level and he tried to break out of a tackle and Eddie Jackson hit him and it looked like he probably tour around the time he was hit by eighty Jackson and he was thrown of bounds and it just sucks man because. Saquon Barkley seems like he is the kind of guy you want to lead your franchise. He is the consummate professional who says all the right things he was criticized by former giant great Tiki Barber about his pass protection during you know media sessions and things this week and he came out and he said he took it as a challenge. Eat doesn't pout. He doesn't point fingers and it's really unfortunate that to oedipus three years here as New York football giants have been plagued by injuries. Last year, he had the high ankle sprain. He came back was Kinda miraculous that it came back and only three weeks with an injury that usually takes a lot longer to heal, but he comes back and. He. Ends up not living up to the potential that he's capable of at least that we think he's capable of. Let this coming after a rookie season where he won rookie of the year, and now in his third season looks like he's likely that he's going to miss the entire year as a devastating loss from the New York giants a team that didn't dress Winkelmann in this game winning with one other active running back and then Elijah Penny who's more of a fullback with can play halfback in a pinch and it looks like they're going to roll. With Winkelmann. If they don't pick somebody up, we'll have more clarity on that Monday maybe Tuesday when they decide to add somebody the rostrum sure they will add somebody maybe they'll bring someone like Giovane leak back to the team or fister who somebody who spent. A little bit of time with the team in the. Training Camp Portions of twenty twenty but the devastating loss for sure Shirley also. Left the game he came down hobbling with look like a foot injury and he tried to go back out there and tough it out and play but it just. Did Not work out for him. Hopefully, it's not a broken foot or a fracture, and even if it's turf toe, that's a pretty bad injury. I mean people like to laugh at Turf Toby's. Injured Toe, but you can't plant and drive off the toe how you GonNa play receiver if your toes sore and you can't do anything on it. So the giants were hit by the injury bug. So were there week three opponents, San Francisco, forty niners about midway through the first-half Jimmy Garoppolo seemed to hurt his right ankle ended up leaving the game nick mullins quarterback that the giants played a couple years back on Monday night football and up coming into the game. and. It looks like that's who the giants will be playing next week and that's not the most devastating injuries for the forty niners. We're not sure how long Garoppolo will be out, but it doesn't seem like it will be for an extended period of time, but he's probably not gonNA play in week three but nick bosa drafted second overall in two thousand, nine, nineteen, one of the best edge rusher in the league tours ACL and week one, he's done for the season. More, than likely. Somebody else who? Seems like. The first drive of every game this season, the two games this season I guess you could say he ends up having like a seventy plus yard touchdown play. Last week. Against the cardinals, it was that little Arrow route. In. Split Backfield, he just ran little Arrow Ralph something i. wish the giants utilize much more caught the ball and he most one of the fastest guys in the NFL. So just outran everybody to the end zone and this year I think it was like the first or second play the game it eighty or touchdown running it's the jets, but he ends up leading the game with some sort of knee issue. So the forty niners are really really beat up right now. And the giants get the play them In Week two and the forty niners second straight road game second straight game and metlife stadium. Not One hundred percent. Sure. If they're going back to California or the just GonNa stay in New Jersey since they're playing the same stadium against the giants that just got no playing jets that's up in the air right now that's a lot of travel if they do go back. And that team's pretty beat up. So the giants are looking at a much easier opponent right now but the giants are also week so. We'll see what the injury report kind of looks like as the week progresses, but we're not talking about that matchup right now we're talking about these injuries and we also had Christian McCaffrey who suffered what looked like an ankle injury on touchdown run. Now, there's going to be an MRI tomorrow it doesn't seem it could be something too serious not something that can miss the whole. season. But if it is a high ankle sprain that's going to be damning and that's going to really suck for anybody who to Christian McCaffrey fantasy and it's GonNa Really Suck boy the Carolina Panthers a team that is trying to kind stay alive in the NFC south. Now they dropped two games in what looks like a very, very good division drew lock quarterback of the Denver. broncos. Like. He sprained his AC joint might be sidelined for two to six weeks happened early on in the game he fumbled the football landed awkwardly on his right shoulder and it looks like he's going to miss some time and it's going to be the Jeff Driscoll show and I don't know if you guys know about Jeff Driscoll, he played a little bit of college football at Florida before transferring out of Florida to I think Louisiana Tech and Jeff Chris is somebody who just always find his way on the football field whether it's with the bengals or the. Alliance just always finds his way out there. Kind of reminds me of Fred Jackson who was with one team, the buffalo bills, but you just always found his way out there because they were always injuries that led him going out there. You'RE GONNA get Fran that way I feel like Frank Gore is a player who has just been in the NFL forever was once a great running back in now is just a very good professional that latches onto rosters and the running back ahead of him tends to get hurt he ends up seeing sixteen carries in a game. Doesn't seem like a thirty-seven-year-old should be getting that kind of workload, but somehow some way that materializes so good for Franco I. Guess. Jerry Judy of the Broncos also suffered an injury doesn't seem to be serious. He left the field without assistance, but he did not return in the game. Other. Players around the league CAM ACRES LEFT THE EAGLES RAMS game. He's the rams running back out of Florida state second round pick with a rib injury in the first drive of the game and he was questionable return than he was downgraded to out ribbon juries can linger they're kind of dangerous but you can also play through that kind of pain with a padded vest. But if he cannot do that, it's going to be the Malcolm Brown show for the rams who beat up on the eagles. Anthony Barr. Hurt his right arm. He's the Vikings linebacker in their loss to the Indianapolis Colts Devante Adams left the game with hamstring tightness and he did not return so we're going. To have to monitor to see how serious that hamstring injury is tag McKinley got injured with a groin. He is a defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons Kalem Gary hurt his knee. He is tackle for the Falcons. Ricardo. Alan is a safety for the Falcons and he hurt his elbow as well. So there were a lot of injuries and there's even other ones that you can kind of go through which I will perish. Campbell of the Indianapolis Colts seem like he might have suffered a torn ACL papers carted off the field early in the colts game but x-rays came through it doesn't seem like it is that. So we're at the wait and see what his injuries but me hooker. is a very talented safety. The cold did not pick up fifth year option because he could never stay healthy he tours achilles. For the season and it sucks I love me cooker coming out of Ohio state. He's an absolute stud. It's very hard to find true single high safety with exceptional range and Malek Hooker possesses that but he cannot stay healthy and that's devastating loss for the Indianapolis Colts the also have the chargers and the chargers. A little bit weird because tyrod Taylor. And we'll talk about this during when we go over the game, tyrod Taylor was opposed to start this game. It was expected that he was going to start this game but in. The pre game, he had shortness of breath and his chest was hurting him and he couldn't start. So Justin Herbert just was given the rain. So we hope tyrod Taylor is okay. You got a monitor that situation we'll get into that a little bit later as well for Shod Peyramond ended up coming down with an injury, the receiver for the jets who was an ankle injury 'cause me the entire jets receiving courses decimated by. Injuries Denzel mims out with a hamstring James and crowded didn't play with a hamstring I. Mean we got Braxton Berrios out there catching touchdown passes right now and they're center Connor McGovern, also hurt his hamstring in this games. That's definitely not ideal for the new. York, jets who seem like vying for the number one overall pick things could get really interesting in April if they possess the number one overall pick picking Sam darnold continues to. Not, show enough even though he has absolutely nothing around him there's not a lot that guy can do Solomon. Thomas who was divas of tackle somebody forgot to mention when I was talking about the forty niners left a game with a knee injury as well. Hopefully, not torn ACL, but time will tell Marcus Blair hurt his knee he's a safety slot. Player for the seahawks that was on Sunday night football. So a lot of people probably ended up seeing that and then Brennan Sheriff the Right Guard for the Washington football team suffered a right knee injury twos. We'll have to wait to see what exactly happens. So there was a lot of injuries around the NFL and it's absolutely devastating to really talk about. To really think about because we expect a lot of injuries to happen there was truncated off season. There was not a lot of training camp. and. We expected players to kind of come down with a lot more soft injuries and things of that nature. Some of these players may not of their training as seriously as they probably should have but that's not even a product of a lot of these injuries. Some of them were just freak injuries and football's also just very very violin game played by some of the top athletes in the world but let's dive into this giant game real quick. The first game that we go over to seventeen thirteen loss for the New York football giants, they drop to Owen too, which is really unfortunate because. The bears go to an hour and I really don't think the bears are that much. Better, than the New York giants, but they won here at home but teams typically that are starting to now. Her nine teams right now that are two now and the teams that are to know are the buffalo bills, the Kansas City chiefs, the Baltimore Ravens the Pittsburgh steelers at the Tennessee titans the on a car. Los Angeles Rams the Seattle seahawks the Green Bay packers the Chicago bears those are all the two and oh teams right now, sixty two percent of teams that start to know typically make the playoffs and now that could be more expanded because seven teams from. Will make the playoffs for the first time in NFL history. There will be three wildcard team. So these teams are obviously in a great spot right now and the bears man seventeen to thirteen. They scored seventeen points, the first half and got. Shut out in the second half. The New York giants defense stepped up. They were opportunistic in the second half even know the bears rushing attack was able to run the football down the giant's throat in the fourth quarter, which was pretty frustrating with David. Montgomery. The giants were resilient Ma'am. They played really really tough really really strong football down the stretch. They battled through a lot of injuries in this game. The offense was pretty pitiful in the first half. They couldn't establish the typical. You know the New York giants that we're accustomed to these days, which is really really unfortunate but it seemed like Daniel Jones was finding a lot of success with the intermediate to deep dig route from Sterling Shepard. Seemed like the bears were really aggressive playing the short quick game kinda routes from Eb Ingram and the flats in the drags, and that was one of the plays on that third six I think it was where Robert Quench stripped Daniel Jones was. It was like a replacement route where Sterling Shepherd Ran a drag out, and then there was going to be a replacement drag route. Right behind Sterling Shepherd and shepper was open right from the onset. He beat the guy off the line of scrimmage and Daniel Jones Cock back to the football but he double clutched the ball because he saw the safety that overhang defend coming down. And then sort of panicked held onto the ball a little bit too long didn't WanNA throw that football put sterling shepherd into an awkward spot I. Think he probably should have pulled the trigger there. He also had one on ones on the outside least definitely to the right of the screen he did and it seemed like the receiver one outside leverage but. It was for not. I mean I. Felt the bears had a pretty good game plan defensively to take away that quick game that the giants had so much success with on Monday night football against the Pittsburgh steelers and then after the saquon Barkley injury after Sterling Shepard. Injury. Teams could really give up. Mentally there it could take a lot for a team to kind of overcome that. But in the second half they came out swinging. And they put themselves into position. There were some play goals, Jason Garrett especially, with eight seconds left in the game where he threw the clear out little flat route to. Dan Lewis didn't really make any sense to me. There's you're not getting anything out of that play. Why not take two shots to the end zone there. That that. That was definitely a head scratcher. So there were some play calls like that. But Garrett, did make some adjustments. He was able to move the football. Mounted Dangle. Jones. But he orchestrated Jason Garrett three double digit drives on eleven a thirteen and a ten play drive in the second half something to be said about that, it was UPTEMPO get the football out of Daniel Jones attack the intermediate parts of the field. And don't allow that pass rush to get to them. And I felt like they did a solid job at the New York giants that is, but the defenseman to passwords needs to get better Mitchell. trubisky was extending plays with his feet like crazy. The entire game finding guys like Darnell Mooney down the field. The giants would send four five guys and just get. Just gobbled up. By that bears opens a line and that's that's an issue. Pass needs to get better and I, know the giants had four sacks in that game and that's great. But. In some key third down situations, giants can knock it off the field and that's reminiscent of last year's team under James Better. Now I don't think that's what it's going to be under Patrick Graham and I'm not insinuating that whatsoever. But that's what happened in Chicago and that's a problem. But both teams missed a field goal in this game. Giants put themselves in a position that were resilient. Put themselves in that position to win this football game. But. They couldn't finish it off like I. Always say man good teams find ways to win bad teams finds ways lose I don't think the giants are bad team right now I think they're young team think thirteen that just lost their leader in that game are still able to be competitive. But they're not a good team yet not find ways to win that football team. Hopefully, they'll get their under his leadership with Joe Judge Jason. Garrett. Impact Program before we get to the rest of the Games. Let's take a quick break to hear a word from our sponsors. Espionage presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. With your favourite espy nation community leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert, analysis, fantasy, football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the ESPN NFL show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. Oh Yeah. Now with the seahawks winning on, Sunday night football their ten teams not nineteen to know. So those odds of the giants making the playoffs are union slimmer but anyways. Let's get in to this cowboys. Falcons Game Ganga's Oh my. The Falcons Falcons and. I just don't understand how this team consistently confined itself into positions to find ways to one up losses. That were so bad in the past. Now, obviously, the twenty eight to three losses worse than this just because it was in the Super Bowl. So it's Kinda like apples to oranges, but just like last week. With the Chicago Bears Dallas. Had A two percent chance to win this football game. And this is a stat I heard from Elias. In situations where teams had zero turnovers and scored thirty nine points in the history of the NFL since they started recording this kind of stuff. The teams in those situations were four, hundred, forty and zero. That's four hundred and forty wins and zero losses and the Falcons found a way to below this game against Dak Prescott and Dallas Cowboys. Oh. My, how ridiculous is that four hundred and forty other teams were in this situation where their team never turn the ball over and they scored thirty nine points and every single one of those four hundred and forty teams one. That's Asinine when you think about it, but the Falcons will falcon. That is the most Falcon thing to ever Falcon in the Falcons of Falcons. It really is, and of course, it happens with the Dallas cowboys. They could've started Owen to as well. But instead they get this win out on the what the Falcons were doing with that onside kick I don't know if you guys saw it but the Falcons were just waiting for the ball to rule ten yards and none of them look like they knew what the hell they were doing and the ball goes ten yards and they don't recover and Dak Prescott and the cowboys lead the. Drive downfield Greg's earn land kicks kick to frigging end the game it was absolutely crazy I mean this does not look good for Dan Quinn whatsoever and the sees a defensive coach and does defense can't stop anything right now the falcons just continued to shoot themselves in the foot. You had a play where Russell gauge, it was a trick play. Russell gauged throws a perfect pass to Julio Jones who drops it in the end nothing is going right for this falcons team. Now remember a quarterback. Starting. Oh into. Playing as well as Matt Ryan as played, it'd be so pissed off of ours Matt Ryan and even Calvin really who has two touchdowns both games right now it's just that team can just not get out of their own way and certain situations. They take a huge lead against the Dallas cowboys you're beating up the cowboys in their house and then you go and you blow it in a very, very embarrassing fashion you just can't get more. Atlanta Falcon like than. Atlanta dominated time of possession forced three turnovers, and still found a way to lose this football game that defenseman if you're playing. Or. If you have any fantasy players that are going up against the Atlanta, Falcons defense, start them and feel good about it moving on to the lions at packers. Babbit TRICIA. Does not seem like he's long for his head coaching thing. The, packers are. Look like a very. Good. Football team a lot of people doubted Aaron Rodgers, and in this game, you didn't like the world on fire like he did in the previous affair, he was eighteen of thirty, two hundred and forty yards in two touchdowns. But Aaron Jones had eighteen carries for one hundred and sixty eight yards and two touchdowns, and then he had four catches for sixty eight yards and one touchdown. So was the Aaron Jones show against the Detroit Lions who? Just Are No match for the Green Bay packers are vying for top five pick. In this upcoming twenty, twenty, one fantasy draft only twenty five minutes time of possession green. Bay? Dominated Tom Possession had four hundred, eighty, eight yards to Detroit's three, hundred, seven and the. Matthew Stafford lead lions just couldn't really get much going on the ground through the air and the packers dominated this game. But a more exciting game was the Jacksonville Jaguars against the Tennessee. Titans in Tennessee a thirty three to thirty victory for the titans but Garnham and she was leading a dry before an unfortunate interception where the ball was somewhat tipped and went up in the air and it was picked off by the titans. You almost led this comeback and Menchu kept this game really really competitive all the way till the final snaps the titans were sweating this one man. Who at three, hundred, thirty, nine yards passing three touchdowns he had those two picks. One of them again was pass kind of to end the game which Sucks Ryan Tannehill Luke this game on fire four TV's two, hundred, thirty, nine yards uber efficient. Eighteen twenty, four, Johnny Smith had two receiving touchdowns in this game Derrick Henry couldn't really get much. On the ground, which is definitely of concern I mean Jack Conklin is no longer there. He's with the Cleveland browns now and they drafted the kid from. Opposite of Andrew Thomas University of Georgia as they Wilson, but it doesn't seem like they're really. Able to generate. The same rushing attack that they had in years past without Jack Conklin which is concerning for sure. Especially in this kind of game script where you expect the Jacksonville Jaguars behind Tennessee, titans at home titans want to run the football that is their identity and Jacksonville was just able to kind of keep moving the chains against this team against this Tennessee Titans Defense, which is somewhat beat up. They don't have a dory. Jackson right now. And you look at the time of possession here. Jacksonville was able to possess the ball. They were able to run the football with James Robinson a undrafted rookie from Illinois state. Sixteen carries for one hundred, two yards and a touchdown on the ground on the road against a potential playoff team in the Tennessee titans to anno- team. That is Jacksonville at thirty first downs. In this game, they just cannot get over the Hump but man Thursday night football is Jacksonville Jaguars against the Miami. Dolphins that's must watch television. I, mean I don't know what you guys all in on Gardner Mitchell I loved the mustache love this kid swag I, love with his kids about he seems I mean I'm really get the talk with them down at the senior bowl but I saw him down there and saw how he interacted with the other quarterbacks. Daniel. Jones, being one of them. He definitely had a personality about him for sure he definitely has some sort of or around him where. gravitates positive vibe and I can see why people would like a player like Garner Menchu. So. Maybe. They'll be able to get to and one against the Miami Dolphins a team that is definitely struggling and speaking of those Miami Dolphins against the buffalo bills almost pulled off an upset and it was a thirty one to twenty eight victory for the Buffalo Bills. But Miami was driving in the fourth quarter made this game at a fifteen point fourth quarter to make the bills fan sweat down in Miami but Josh Allen Man who went crazy again, four, hundred, seventeen yards the air four touchdowns in this game wasn't much going on the ground for the buffalo rushing attack. Steph digs and John Brown both had games steph digs eight catches for one hundred and fifty three yards at a taty John Brown four. For one touchdown, eighty, two yards for catches that is and the Miami Dolphins mikey eight catches for one hundred, thirty odds and a tidy devante. Parker had five fifty, three touchdown. The scheme was kind of weird because there was lightning any areas where delayed the game of the game ended way after the other games. which may lead to Miami doing some real scheming in the locker room to kind of help generates offense because they were able to put up fifteen points in the fourth quarter but the buffalo bills were able to fourteen points in the fourth quarter but it was good to see some life from Ryan Fitzpatrick and his offense. Ryan. Patrick finished the day thirty one completions of forty seven attempts for three hundred, twenty, eight yards and two touchdowns for the Miami Dolphins who dropped Owen to and play on short week against those. Jacksonville Jaguars, and then we have the colts and the Vikings Vikings to not look good kirk cousins does not look good in this game whatsoever. I. Mean. A lot of people pick the vikings to win the NFC north and Owen to right now that defense does not look good. The colts who lost Pairs Campbell early on in this game who? Are playing with an injured Michael Mun no Jack Doyle as tight end more able to come out here and just established the run. Play sound defense. And beat up on the Vikings beat up on an inferior team, a Mike Zimmer team which kinda crazy to think about. But Ninety nine was not a thing in his game whatsoever it was the Jonathan Taylor show positive game script. So I guess that's to be expected but Jonathan Taylor had twenty six carries per a hundred one yards and one touchdown, and I'm telling you Johnson tells you it'd be like a top ten fantasy player going forward. So you drafted this guy in the fourth round. One of those last running backs that you draft and you kind of feel okay. About a something happened to Marla Mac well, something happened Marlin Mac. Now you've got Jonathan Taylor there and that's going to be great for anybody who made that decision and then we had our crosstown jets against the San Francisco Forty niners a team. The giants will play next week. Jimmy. Garoppolo again got hurt in this affair, but he was fourteen to sixteen for one thirty, one, two touchdowns before he ended up going down with that injury. Teve home in this game. And went down with the injury, but he couldn't do anything jets have a pretty good rush defense except for that one play against where he most where he went eighty yards for touchdown but other than that. Where he had seven carries for twelve yards. And John McCain three carries for seventy seven yards but that was what they fifty five yard long runs. There's given big chunk place, but this this jets team can't do anything on offense. They had a touchdown to Braxton Berrios kind of broken play was a nice extended play by Sam. Darnold in this game Frank Gore had over twenty carries in this game which absolutely ridiculous to kind of wrap your head around but there's not competitive. Adam Gates offense is not competitive. They're just throwing a lot in the fourth quarter and getting a lot of garbage time fantasy points essentially because. They can't do much. They don't have the weapons. On the ability to establish the run. The defense in the secondary is lackluster. I feel like they can stop the run fairly well Greenwich they struggled here. But. They just cannot do enough on offense with Adam gazes their head coach supposed to be an offensive head coach. The time of possession one by the forty niners ironically enough even though a lot of it came in the fourth quarter in garbage time. Teams had the same amount of first downs that you ted seventeen first downs. It was kind of slower game not as many plays run some of the other games on this sleet the New York jets again, they're gonNa be picking the top five. It's not good. It's unfortunate but the beat up their injured the coach does not seem to know how to. Defeat, modern. Day Defenses. And Sam Darnold Young Twenty three year old kid wherever he is putting a really crappy spot in his third season and we had the rams and the eagles. Great to see the Eagles lose one to the rams and I thought the rams that a unique job getting their playmakers. The ball in space through carries jet sweeps and things of that nature and arounds because they had Daryl Henderson who had twelve carries for eighty one yards and a touchdown Malcolm Brown had eleven for forty seven Robert Woods at three per nineteen and Tony Cooper Cup at two for nineteen cameras at three thirteen before he went down with the rib injury and then Jefferson have one for negative one. Jerry, only through the Ball Twenty, seven times completing twenty for two, hundred, sixty, seven yards and three touchdowns pretty efficient. Wentz forty-three attempts twenty six completions two, hundred, forty, two yards, zero touchdowns, two interceptions. One touch down on the ground Mao Sanders look good on the ground twenty, four, ninety, five, touchdown he. was active he? was didn't look limited it to me at least I mean you get twenty carries on the ground her hamstrings probably feeling pretty damn good and the rams just came out to Philadelphia and beat this team up Ramseyer disappear team the better offense like I said, I think McVeigh's being creative with how he? Gets his playmakers, the ball and three touchdowns from jared. Goff I went to one person and that was tyler egg. The Eagles focused on stopping. Robert Woods and Cooper cut through the air. So the adjustments from Sean McVeigh was will get these players the ball on end arounds, jet sweeps, and we're GONNA target Tyler higby somebody that. You guys are leaving the linebacker around or a safety on higby. A big large man's we had five or fifty four and three touchdowns on five targets. If you had tyler higby on your roster, you're probably happy right now in future reference for. Jewish warts and whoever's playing the rams don't leave Tyler higby. Alone in the. End. Zone. Or with a much smaller defenders, he's an absolute beast as for the Philadelphia passing attack to Sean Jackson with six for sixty four, nine targets. He's GonNa break out one of these games with one of those two touchdown games that Sean Jackson tends to have. He's getting a good target share of the offense, but he's probably going to be on a lot of people's fantasy benches because he's not breaking through yet Zach was five or forty, two, jalen regular four, forty, one mile sanders also pitched in with seven targets. Three hundred, thirty, six Broncos were able to be pretty competitive against the steelers in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh pulled away twenty six to twenty one, Ben Rothlisberger had a pretty. Important Cross's body throw to Deontay Johnson in the end zone to kind of help. Elevate this lead for the steelers in the fourth quarter Ben finished the game with three hundred eleven passing yards, two touchdowns and one interception James Connor had a garbage fifty, nine yard run. He finished the game with sixteen for one. Oh, six and one very unfortunate if you're planning against James Candidacy. Vinyl minutes of the game two minutes left the bus off a fifty nine yard run is too slow to finish the runoff to get into the end zone but that's fantasy football right there, and then Deontay Johnson at thirteen targets in his game. We got in the end zone not a lot of people want to acknowledge the fact that the Johnsons real thing but the dude at thirteen targets doubt they Johnson. Israel and he's still on frazier wires. So make sure you pick him up I know it's not sexy right now even though he just put up the stat line but. Ben Looks for him. And their offense coordinator designs plays for him. He's going to help this offense because he has the targets he has more targeted than usual bowl. These Games Juju finished with eight targets seven for forty eight. Chase. Clayton had a eighty four yard touchdown catch in this game, which was just a long silence of great balance along the sideline beat the defender in just sees absolute freedom and athlete six, foot five and only four, three eight. That's incredible. So. This receiving core is going to be really exciting Big Ben. He's airing it out forty seven, forty one passing attempts I'm sorry. But. Then again. To Lock doesn't get hurt in the first quarter to the broncos win this game possibly. Could be one on one right now Jeff Driscoll jumped in looked pretty good at a nice touchdown pass in this game. By the Front Pylon two, hundred, fifty, six yards passing two touchdowns had the one interception Melvin Gordon was able to the one thousand nine hundred, seventy yards noah fan had a touchdown novel. Gordon had a receiving touchdown that was the one I was referring to earlier cortlandt sutton had three catches for sixty six yards on six targets. But the Pittsburgh steelers of the better team. But Denver Game Maroon near Denver beat up football team and they were lucky to have Portland Sutton out there and Jerry Judy kind of getting hurt in this game too. That really sucks for the VIC FANGIO led Denver Broncos who lost von Miller, who Bradley chubs coming back from an injury getting beat up and they're getting nick and it's now the author quarterback for at least two to six weeks drew lock. So that's a mess as for the NFC south. We have the Tampa, Bay buccaneers getting their first win Tom Brady's first win as a Tampa Bay. In his home game as at have a bay buccaneer against the Teddy Bridgewater to lead. Carolina, Panthers Tom Brady. Did Not Have Greek game statistically. Twenty three thirty five or two, hundred, seventeen yards, a touchdown and an interception is was a Leonard Fournette show now Ronald Jones had a touchdown early on his game. Look like a smash spot for Ronald Jones Than Round Jones put the ball on the ground and Ron Jones sound his butt on the bench and that led to Leonard Fournette having twelve carries for one hundred, three yards and two touchdowns. One of them being forty six. Yards, which is kind of incredible and I think Leonard, Fournette and watch him run. He looks slow me Outrun defensive backs. He's the slowest looking fast player at the rest of my life. Be Good for him. Good for him us able to get cut by one. Crappy. Well, I mean one an almost to know. But Jacksonville Jaguars Florida team and go with another Florida team led by Tom Brady we have actual super bowl aspirations. Sometimes it works out for you right lend. My gibbons seven for one zero, four touchdown, ten targets on this game and Tom. Brady spread the ball all over the field to his targets for the Tampa Bay buccaneers mcquaid seven targets Leonard Four five OJ Howard Scotty Miller just watson three. Ronald. Jones had to rob. GRONKOWSKI had one. So it was just give the ball to everybody. Because Carolina Panthers actually stayed in this game for a little bit Dj more at thirteen targets. Rob Anderson Ten Mike Davis had eight to Mike Davis. Was Getting out there Christian McCaffrey got dinged up in this game. Bridgewater threw two interceptions but threw for three hundred, sixty seven yards and keep his team in this game Chris. McCaffrey goes down with that injury got my Davis getting eight catches for seventy four yards in eight targets. You know like I said Dj more Robbie Anderson, double digit targets in this game but. Tampa Bay buccaneers prevail and we'll see how good this is This Tampa team can actually be definitely seems like it's a work in progress Bruce Arians is very, very cut through as a coach I mean Ronald Jones makes mistakes gets put on the bench. That's happened. Ronald Jones a bunch on this team has got to be a very nerve wracking to play for a coach like Bruce Arians we hey, demands, perfection I respect it. The Washington football team lost to the Arizona Cardinals thirty two, Fifteen Dwayne, Haskins did not look good. Once again had a garbage touchdown to. Their best receive return maclaurin who are absolute stud but Dwayne Haskins finishes his this game nineteen of thirty three for two hundred, twenty, three yards and a touchdown cuyler Murray showing that he could be an MVP type of player two, hundred, eighty, six, yards, a touchdown interception but then added eight carries for six seven yards in two touchdowns on the ground very, very exciting player to watch was able to slow down that pass rush of the Washington football team a team that had eight sacks against Carson wentz week three against Cuyler Murray in his road game for the Washington football team. Tony Gibson had his first touchdown of or in his NFL career and. The Washington. Football team just couldn't get anything going on offense I mean stain Haskins quarterback, and he's just not at least it doesn't seem like it as of right now, they able to mount some sort of offense in the second half they were put twelve points on the board in the fourth quarter, but it was just. Too little too late I. Guess You could say the Andre Hopkins continues to be a stud nine targets, eight catches for sixty eight yards and a touchdown. Then we have the chiefs and charters now. Chiefs in the chargers. This is a very unique game I referenced it a little. Bit tyrod Taylor did not play in this game and just in Herbert who probably did not receive a lot of snaps if I'm going to be honest. During the week because tyrod Taylor was expected to start. He. Ends up starting this game. And plays really well against these bagnall is defense really really well and brings this charge team to overtime. But loses twenty three to twenty, and there was one really boneheaded mistake that just in Herbert made and that was that cross body interception where through it and like double coverage and it was picked off. The other than that man, he looked really good has great zip on the ball, extend the plays with his legs. He's a big body can kinda take a beating out there which you don't want him to finish the day twenty to thirty three for three hundred eleven, yards, a touchdown and an interception. Another big story about this game though is Joshua Kelly twenty carries for sixty four yards not a great stat line, but getting twenty three carries that's huge for somebody who still in the waiver wire. She got to look at another was somewhat of a positive game script for most the game and then Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City chiefs turned it on in the fourth quarter to score eleven points to bring this to Ot Anthony? Lynn. Makes a cringe decision and overtime where he punched the ball. Fourth and short. Punch the ball back. and He's around thirty, his own thirty, five yard line. So he's on his side of the field. But he punched the back to Pat Mahomes, and all the need to do is getting a field goal arranged win and that's what they do and Harrison bucker up fifty eight yarder to win it. Why would you punt the ball? That's so conservative and you need to go for it there you can't give the ball, the PAT homes. In overtime. In this situation, it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever but he did and at the end of the game, he says, once tyrod comes back there everything Justin Herbert show which her showed a lot in his game. It's GonNa be tyrod team again and I, think that's donkey and at the Anthony Lynn he's not quite bill O'Brien but he's trending along that donkey line. When you're making donkey decisions. Now I really do disagree with the fact they didn't do something he was running the ball really well at that time of the game in the fourth quarter, pick up one, two, three yard gains and his fourth in one, you can line up into something exotic and you can go for it there. And I know it's the game if you don't get it but given the ball bats pam home in that situation, it's that's a rough decision to make and it's very, very conservative and it's Helped causing the game which is unfortunate. Ask for Kansas City. tyreek hill had a ridiculous fifty four yard catch eleven targets five catches for ninety nine yards Travis Kelsey nine for ninety touchdown on fourteen targets. Clyde Edwards Allaire eight targets six for thirty two only ten carries for thirty eight yards. Didn't really get much going on the ground. Whatsoever But I think it's GonNa Bounce back. Kency. Chiefs are going to be in a lot of positive game scripts. This one wasn't exactly that so charters were able to. Play really, well throughout this game. And just her got his first win in his first star against the. Former MVP. Two years ago and scrabble champions of last year. This chargers defense gives the guys. Bradley seems like Pat Mahomes in this chiefs team somewhat struggles with. Gus Bradley and that Defense. The chargers man thirty, nine minutes time of possession twenty eight. Of Kansas City. That one turnover was bad. Couple plays. By the coaching staff not. Great. Charges were out gain the chiefs boerner seventy, nine yards before and fourteen charges had twenty, eight, thousand, twenty, three of the chiefs. By the end of the day, just look at the scoreboard just wasn't enough. They had the Ravens Texans. Ravens win thirty three to sixteen. Lamar Jackson doesn't really need to do that much just big rushing attack game. Barking Herman Nine, fifty five for one touchdown. The mark. Jackson sixteen to fifty four shaky. Dobbins to forty eight, Gus Edwards ten carries for seventy three yards twenty, two yard long. So, you didn't have to do that much to the air. HOUSTON. Texans. They're not on the level of the Baltimore. Ravens and it sucks for the Texans because their own two right now and they started off with the chiefs and the Ravens. It's gotta be the hardest to games that you could start off with. It really does. And you see D. Hundred Hopkins. Doing work. David Johnson was eleven for thirty four here. Not Great. But. You're you're a Houston Texans. Fan. It's going to get better for you, but I don't know if this is GonNa be a playoff team because that AFC south division that we'll tend to think of as a very good division has a colts team as titans team are pretty good. Jaguars have been playing good I. Don't know how long that will last GONNA be real. When the play the Ravens Oh. You have to play the chiefs I two weeks. It's probably not going to be a good time as they say, and as for the last game as I continue to ramble on here it was an exciting Sunday night football affair with the Seattle seahawks and he kept pulling out the win thirty five to thirty to cover the spread. Against the New England Patriots to missed it by the way. So the spread was also push. There was a call in this game. The. Fourth quarter. where it was third in one and Russell. Wilson threw it about thirty five yards downfield. Just out of the region I wanNA say Tyler Lockett. That made me think and we'd probably everyone think be careful what you doing on the football here. When you're playing Bill Belichick and the Patriots team where you football and a similar situation that was an interception and you lose the Super Bowl. Just give the ball Carson you're you're picking up three four yards every time. It was it was kind of nuts. The call almost bit them in the butt. Cam. Newton had the ball on the goal line after only having eleven forty, seven, two touchdowns on the goldline. But it was a great play by Seattle by a mole Adams who was a wrecking ball. Near the line of scrimmage. But was kind of burnt a lot coverage every time I looked up Julian animals catching a ball over seem like. Seattle seahawks though that that really almost burnt you but they were able to ascended to anno-. She got him applaud them for that Chris Carson Seventeen for seventy two. Russell Wilson had five carries for thirty nine, Carlos Hyde Five, twenty, two, Travis homer three, twenty, one, it's Chris. Carson's Backfield. Those other guys will be annoying for fantasy football though I assure you of that decay Mecca and Stefan Gilmore or just going at it all game it's pretty exciting to watch decay had beat on a horizontal cross where it was really good coverage but it was a beautiful throw by Russell Wilson who may have the best ball placement in the entire nfl the do was twenty one for twenty eight. Hundred Eighty eight yards and five touchdowns, and he had one interception which wasn't his fault Greg Olsen tips the ball on the air and a patriots player picks it off and runs back four touchdown open. The game was like the first or second play of the game. Ridiculous stupid. Didn't matter I guess at the end result though. Doesn't look good for the stats although it's not Russell. Wilson's fault. She Never County Russell Wilson One, hundred percent on Greg Olson who had one target in that game probably because of that reason. Can't be enough and do that. Tom Fortunate though. For. Anybody who's playing the Patriots Defense? That is? For. The Patriots Receiving Game Julius Gentleman Levin targets. Eight catches per hundred, seventy, nine yards. You'll Harry twelve turns eight catches for seventy two yards does not look explosive whatsoever has good hands. It seems like the. But he does not have trump out there and just going to be blatantly honest. And the really sad story line about this game. Leading into it was. James White was a surprise inactive because his mother and father were in a car accident and his father died smothers in critical condition. So our condolences go out to James White. That's absolutely A horrendous situation. Tragic. and. We wish nothing but the best for the mother. A Things like that are so much bigger than football. That's Hey. 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670: Q&A | Master your personal presentation

The Ziglar Show

47:42 min | 2 years ago

670: Q&A | Master your personal presentation

"Welcome to the Ziglar show. I'm your host Kevin Miller. This is our QNA show. Have you ever for your work or personal life practiced and or gotten coaching for presentation for sales of live and on stage presentation for getting the job or a date or anything? This is the question I posed to the Ziglar audience so zig Ziglar starts us off with a five minute lesson on mastering your personal presentation. He's focused primarily on sales. But if you know, you know, that he felt everyone is a sales person. So it's just as relevant for our personal lives. I mean, Zik he did master sales. And then he mastered the stage, but he did realize that all of life is a presentation, and how we are perceived is up to us, and how we choose an work to present ourselves some shell prints. Join me to talk through the many comments on how people have worked to hone their work and life presentations. Hopefully, you've all heard about the first new book to come from Ziglar and seven years Tom's Ziglar book choose to win. Hopefully, you've gotten the book. But if you want to take a more assertive action may second and third two thousand nineteen in Dallas, Texas. Join Tom personally along with Ziegler's exclusive business coach Howard Partridge for the very first choose to win conference, go to Ziglar dot com slash conference. Tom was asked onstage what he felt the fastest way to success. Was he immediately replied replace a bad habit with a good habit. That's the foundation of the book the message and this event the tagline is transform your life. One simple choice at a time for you, which choice is most needed most acute transform your life effectively and quickly. That's why you want to attend this conference. There's some incredible presenters here folks, it's a chance to not just learn from the best, but to get to know them as part of the. Ziglar family who you meet will be as valuable as what you learn again. Go to Ziglar dot com slash conference for details on that shoes to win conference. All right friends. We'll hear them Michelle prints, and I talked through your comments to the question have you ever for your work or personal life practice and or gotten coaching for a presentation? Okay. This is show six seventy QNA with Michelle prints. Michelle. So we're talking about a topic that you live. I mean, you live this out day in and day out. You just said yesterday you got back from a big speaking engagement. I didn't ask where we speaking. Are you speaking for? Foreign association, the national association of productivity and organizing professionals. It was great is very of the exciting group people that are ready to take action. I mean, they help people do that on a daily basis. So it was really great. Okay. We'll so there so you do that for your own person as somebody who is in sales who is who's doing little on stage presentations that is a well. And of course, when we think about this thing about sales you prepare that. And of course, that's what made zig famous to begin with that was his forte with sales. We think about that with sales with a job interview. And as we were talking just a minute ago here, you have the funny scenes in the movies and whatnot where they're prepping to ask somebody out on a date or has somebody to marry them or something like that? But to go further, I mean, if you if anybody's done marriage counseling, sometimes we talk about, you know, rules of engagement. Here's how to and you want your spouse to hear you or you want to hear them here. Some things to do. And don't do we can go further into how do you talk to your team? Pains. How do you ask for a razor promotion customer service seems to focus somewhat on this? But generally in life. I mean, if you take a broad scope of the average people at a nice restaurant. How many of them have ever taken a moment to think about how they come across in any format, and I would say pretty low. What do you think? Oh, for sure I mean, I think there's certain things we just normally with our businesses. I know for speaking every time, you speak, even if you've done the presentation ten times, you still practice it because you wanna make sure you're at your best sales presentations. It's funny. I most of my life was in sales. And I sold software and my whole job was flying around the country doing presentations and demos. And even though I've done it a hundred times the exact same thing. I still practice it every single time. Just because for me, I I never wanted to feel unprepared or it just alleviated any nerves or or stress if I just had. Time to prepare in advance that I think we do it or I hope we do it for everything. But that little things I don't know that we do as much like, you said talking to a spouse, or or, you know. You know? That's and that's what I wondered that's kinda wear. Brought the point why wrought the point here to the show. We recently inch show six fifty one had Oscar Trimboli we talked about his message in his book of deep listening. And it's it really brought to light. How how do we come across the people as well? Not only are we just listen to how do we come across? And I think all of us. Of course, we talk about sales. Zig says you were all in sales. I think we all desire to or have a need to influence people. Yes. And yet we are often ourselves or we witness people. I think we're probably more adept at that witnessing people go into Dan any idea how they come off. And or we suffer ourselves in realized why don't people listen to us. I have I have good ideas. I have a half thing. Why don't people listen to us? Our wish I could have more influence here and coming back. I wonder if we had a video on ourselves. What would we look like? And I'm sure you know, I don't know if you've done video have you done video. I know I've done audio and recent years, I have done a little video to watch myself. Oh, gosh. I'm doing that target too fast thing doing the like, you know, the filler stuff or I am a my wife. Got me one time she's constantly scratching your nose. And I realized when I talk just of the vibration, my voice makes my news tickle it. So it is it wasn't even a nervous thing was a real. I have to put a little lotion on my nose. Keep myself from what I've wondered if I've done that with you, Michelle funny. I haven't noticed that. But yeah, we all have something. Right. Kevin. Well, it so there's the point well here. So I wanted to give that premise, Michelle. 'cause I know again, this is something that you are. I don't know if. I would call myself a professional in this arena. You are. So likewise, why I wanted to have you do the show with me. So here as we read through these. We'll come back to what we just went over. So Tony Cooper. She says yes, many times. I'm a firm believer in having a coach help you improve your craft. I practice mine in the mirror the car accorded on my phone, and I play it back. My coach videos me, and we work through it. I've been speaking to large and small audiences for over twenty years. I think we should develop our strength daily. I've had a selling coach of the past five years. Ezra practice. I practice for presentations extensively. My husband does mock interviews to me to prepare for interviews. So here she is. And that's kind of the consummate. That's what we expect. Right. She's in the professional field. She's doing that. But I wonder what if I was the ask her how has that influenced her communication skills or her presentation when she's with her husband, her kids, her family, whatever it's got such a great question and just thinking for myself. I mean, I do prepare like we talked about for my my presentations that. Yeah, I don't know that I prepare as much for conversations in the home. I think the important ones. I can't recall a few times when I wanted to talk to my boys about something serious. You know, whether it be about drugs or alcohol, or you know, all the things that parents have to deal with as, you know, kids are being and I think I would practice a little bit. But most of the time, I don't know that I do it. I wonder if it's a little bit of personality too. Because I am definitely the type that I will speak and then think whereas my husband is more. He thinks about every. Thing before he speaks. So maybe people who are more in a little tend to be better at preparing than those. Who aren't? I'm just saying. I don't know. I totally agree with you. And I think there's probably a little bit of slippery slope here because you hear the old term from the entertainment arena of life is a performance. And I I would agree. But that sounds bad. I have. So here all admitted I have some issues with always feeling like I'm performing, and I get I get drained with social engagements. And I don't know how do you just be me? Because sometimes they just being me. I probably not that gracious or tolerant or carrying, you know. So I am performance. Okay. So there's there's the maybe the difficult side of it. But on the other side, we are all exposed to other people, and we have opinions on how they come across. Whether we care to listen to them or not. I mean, there is some real performance. I guess if we want. To have relationship. And then that bigger word to me is influence. That's the one that's the one that's daunting Michelle, especially for somebody who wants to who wants to help people if you can't influence them. You fall on deaf ears that that's that's the rub on the thing is that we all are influencing people. We just don't necessarily know it people that are professionals or have their own business. They're more aware that they are influencing by the service or the product that they're offering speakers, you're influencing go to war bad with whatever you say on the stage, but truly were all influencing somebody and in fact yesterday when I was talking about was your brand. And how you monetize your brand. But the thing is your brand is you it's the experience it's stealing that people get when they're with you. So are you giving people the experience that is positive and uplifting and in line with what you are wanting to be in do or are you showing up a little that negative and out of alignment with what what you want your brand? They, and you know, that's tough because we are influencing no matter if you believe it or not you are you're influencing your kid. Your spouse, your family, your neighbor down the street or the people you're serving will. I just had a stark you made me think of this. I hadn't even thought to bring it into the Scottish in here. But I have had a recent business. We didn't even launch it. It was it was less than a soft launch. It was a little market outreach. And what we found out is the the offering is awesome. It's killer. How we presented. It was not it caused some confusion and didn't answer the big questions right upfront. And when you're in the online world, everybody's in the all my world. So when somebody comes to look at your product your service, your message online, you have a finite time doesn't matter how great the product. Is. You have a finite amount of time to get the point across and to hook them and to get them interested in what not, and if you violate that you've there's there's no getting around that we did it. So we're doing a one eighty on the website and on the presentation and the the products, no. Different. But how we present it? So that was a stark when it because I want people just to go come on. Obviously. This is great, right? And I go. Yeah. But we don't quite understand it. Well, shoot back to presentation bringing we just take for granted that everybody knows what we know. Now. Oh, of course, can't you see this. Of course, you can't you see the way I'm seeing it will you you see at a totally different way. Because you've been embedded in it that happens to me sometimes to the things that I take for granted as well. Everybody knows how to do that even publishing you know, what I hope with books, and like, oh, you know, how to do that you get that on the on. And it's like, no, no, they don't. So you you have to you have to give people with they need not necessarily what we need and communicating. It is super important communication is everything. Right. And that's how you influence is how you communicate through your your audible, but also body language, all that communicates. And influences people that and that's what's daunted. I think it that relational aspect of Kutch. Can I just be me? And be like for who. I am will. We will. We all want that. But we don't tend to extend that other people. We talk about how they do influence us for the better or worse, how they urinate us. How they bless us whatever. So we're obviously. It matters about. Okay. Let me we keep. We'll keep talking about this Ron Ron Valencia. He says I personally believe in visualization as a form of practice in many professional situations. Especially interviews asking for a raise talking to the boss about controversial issues hosting a meeting or giving speeches. I try to imagine what I would say and how especially in large group settings. I will also try to imagine both positive and negative feedback. So I can be prepared. I mean, that's professional again their sales to some degree. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna take that point to ask you from a. Gosh from persuade to let's use the word persuasion aspect. Obviously there's in that in sales. If we read zigzag book on closing the sale and things like that. We know that people have hangups with how. Often with sales people who have tried to manipulate which is not good selling is not good, caring. However when bring somebody else talks about it too. We'll get to it here in a second. But they talked about dealing with negative feedback dealing with the, you know, the obstacle and trying to work around that frame that in the light for people of not being manipulative and just trying to sell somebody something who has objections, but helping the go ahead. Well, so zinc, always said sales as transference feelings, and truly it is if you believe that what you're selling is going to benefit someone else. All you're doing is taking that belief in that energy and positivity and transferring that onto someone else in influencing, but this is why it's so critical to always you have to if you're in sales, and I get that we need to take jobs for money, and we may or may not love the product. But if you can find a way to sell something that you do believe in a new love, it's going. The show. It's you're gonna feel it. My very first job coming out of college was Nana transference of positive feelings. Because I hated this job. I was selling copiers offense to people that sell copiers. It just was not right for me. And I guarantee you people felt it when I went and did it a sales call on them because I wasn't hashing it about it. And the feeling I was transferring was probably like, oh, this isn't so great. But then fast forward six months after I got that job. I started working at Ziglar, and I was selling seminars and personal development books in CDs and zig on stage, and all of those things that I loved it until anyone to talk to her on the phone just knew I mean, they had to have it. Because if I was so passionate about it. Shirley it had to be. So that's what sales and it's not manipulation and less. You are pushing something that you don't believe is the right fit for that person. And it just goes back to integrity in zig talks about that as well. I cut my teeth in this light waiting tables at at nice restaurants. And that was such a gift, I have advocated. My kids do that which I think at this point, my older kids all have had times waiting tables and at so great, and I use that at home hosting for people. It it helps people feel well helps them feel desired and in that business. It depends on how much you make at the end of the night. You looking at your tips, and we used to have competitions at one when restaurant high in restaurant that I worked at to see who got the best tips. Oh, man. We were we were. We were studying stuff on how to sir people how to understand them. And how this person want us are this is somebody who wants you to talk. This is somebody who wants you to not they want you to serve and showcase the wine expertly and keep your mouth shut and let them be their own figure. Those things out that was such a gift in other social situations though. I. I still tend to you know, you don't treat it quite as importantly in going back at can't sound exhausting to some degree. I love that. That's a great example. Because what a perfect example, all you're doing is surfing. You know, you're getting paid for. But you're serving people. And if you what a great, I'm glad you mentioned that for your kids because if you can learn to serve Earl leeann life, you're going to do really really well, but that is sales sales is serving that's all it is. And I think we get mixed up because we have been taken advantage of before. And there might be some more sleazy sales people out there that give sales abandoning but at the end of the day at serving. Yes. Yes. And I'll have to say I still end up probably once a year all end up at a lunch where somebody got me there under a poor guise of I want to pick your brain or whatever and sell me on something. And it's I'm not a very confrontational person. It's very hard for me to to do it like. Where I feel like I am appalled. Are you kidding me? Anyway. So yes, so we all have those experiences gotta get beyond those and thanks that these sponsors for bringing us today show. I did not know this. 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What problem does your audience have that you have a solution for why do they need this information deliver your message then recap on what you have gone over. Beautiful. It is that just reminded me of it's going to sound silly. That I use this in my business today when I was in college somebody had I think it was talking about dating that whenever you're you know, when you talk to somebody on your dating kinda likes on your nervous, and you kind of fumble you don't really know what to say. And you're just not yourself, and then they walk away. And you're like, oh, why did I just below that up? Did you just depicted a movie scene right there? Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Well, yes. Hopefully, we bought it. But I know I have. So I remember somebody saying that the reason you feel that way the reason gets nervous is because you literally imagined visually a spotlight like a you literally have the spotlight on you. And so you're so worried about what you're going to saying what you're doing argue fidgety. But when you turn the spotlight onto the other person, you're not nervous. Because now, you're there to be a listener, you're there to be a friend, and, you know, Kevin I do this every single time when I speak on a stage because whenever I do we all start get a little nervous even zig said he'd get a little nervous. You know? Thoroughbred, he I think he would put it that thoroughbreds right before race. They degree install you want to be a third. Right. You don't wanna be a donkey? So, but when I speak, I still get jitter. Sometimes that's when I'm like, no, I'm focused on me, turn it around turn the spotlight. And when you are so in the mode of helping someone not for your sake or anything else all things -iety goes away in dating and speaking in life, and so I think the same was sales. You know, when it's all about what my gosh, I'm gonna make this much commission. If I sell this today that's about lifetime. You turn it around. Okay. I help them implement this. This is going to change their life. It's great. I still do it. Michelle. I was in an informal sales presentation yesterday. It was it was pretty rural. But I realized at one point, and that's all I'm grateful for that. At least I realized that all of a sudden, I was feeling a little nervous. And I caught it, and I shut my mouth and ask a question because I was going on and just trying to talk too, much and just got just old habits. And I wasn't being conscientious of myself. And I didn't I didn't really prepare well for it man knew my stuff, but still it's I so thanks for putting that out there that. Yeah. Even the thoroughbred gets nervous and can phone bad habits. I did it. Michelle was gush last year that I went to see. I see. Got up right away in the first day. I think it's the first half of the day. They have you come up and give you a topic and mine was on like thrown frisbee or something don't give it presentation and go through your things, and I got up there. And and she just nailed me because videotape it I looked at home. My gosh, I cannot that was that was poor. It was great. And this is why people why people so often testified Toastmasters, which I am afraid is not as well known nearly as it used to be. But my gosh, the testimonies are unprecedented. Damn what they do is. They just they help you have confidence when you speak. You know, you're more aware I had never been in Toastmasters. But my brother my dad, my sister-in-law, very very involved. My brother went till length the national level and competition. So they they're really engine. But for me, I don't know. I just never did probably should. But they help you with the ends of the all that. But more than anything you just walk away. Competence. And then I can do this. I saw in Dale Carnegie classes that my dad took me to audit. When I was a kid, and I saw them go through that. And then I had times of my dad he recorded me one time, and he says Kevin and the Pat in this. I can't remember how long it was. But in the minute, or so that you spoke you said the word, I think it was you know, he said you said at thirty times. Oh my gosh. I was embarrassed. That's probably irritated. I didn't. But it was a crate. It was a great learning space. And so we've made that not that my kids are perfect. But they at least know that they're saying like in the pointed out to each other, you know, Sissy said linemen and make you feel a little bit better. Even those even those of us that do this ally. I was re or I was listening back to my recording. From my presentation yesterday because I do record all of mine, someone sure I'm always improving, and I cringe I said a word or a little phrase, I probably twenty times and maybe. No one else knows that they did. But I was just unaware of it. But again, that's why we practice this. But I do I listened to the podcast. And sometimes I think I did I did a good job. And then other one other times, I'll see I was talking to fast, and I will. And it's it's in an air. You can watch it. So so folks, here's disclosure when you hear me say OEMs it's because I've lost my train of thought. That's what's happened. And I can't very well. In the podcasts. Go hold on, folks. Pause. I lost my train of thought. Where was I? So I'm scrambling for a minute. It's better if I would pause take those pauses zig was the master of the pauses wizard. Whether he did that on purpose, which he generally did. But it's also great thing to put in there. When you've lost your train of thought put a pause, and there, it sounds a lot more brilliant than or like, you know, we think we have to fill that space. So we're like. Such natural habit. I guess it's taught, but it seems ingrained 'cause I'll see my little kids do it as well. Okay. Well, here's here's Ashley logs on that happens to be my sister. He says. Yes, yes. Yes. Training so worth it. I have been to talks on how to do presentations well seminars with Kint Julian some people may know can't I worked with can't for cash is a long time ago. But but for a lot of years, he is a coach on on presentations on doing live presentations, and she says she worked with her buddy AC Chan, and and more, and so she's she's actually gone out for coaching and AC Chan responded to her this is on Facebook. Of course, she says, thanks for the mention he says, Kevin I work with people on a range of personal communication projects from sales presentations to TED talks yada, yada. So great, thanks for bringing that out. Because ted. That's a really neat. When everybody remembers TED talks. I don't know how all those are Michelle Rhee decade more. I can't remember attacking. Okay. So those came out, and you would take people who'd get a shot at a presentation. And was it good? Was it not Simon Senate who we've had here on the show is one of the early. Early folks. And he has I think last I looked a top three TED talks of all time so back then though, I think it was pretty organic since then if anybody if you don't know the TED talks now have it's pretty much required format somebody came out with a book. I can't remember who it was. I think there's multiples now on how to do a Ted talk. And they really broke down the best TED talks. And it was pretty similar formats. Here's what the person did. Look, they presented this. They did this yada, yada. Ted talks are historically twenty minutes long. And you do not go over that at all most again, it's I I'm paraphrasing. What my memory is it may have more fair. But generally, they're right around there. But they have a required format. I was told because somebody nominated me to do one at one point. I didn't didn't do it. But they got the the outline and you don't just wing it. Now, you don't just go out there and do organic talk. If you wanna do you have to follow some presentation people are hearing this. I'm sure some of them no more than I do on the details of that. But I thought. That was pretty telling it was a is. Yeah. I didn't know that either. Actually, the very first Ted talk. I ever heard was Randy posh member. He wrote the book. Oh, gosh. The last lecture, and in fact, in my first book that I wrote in two thousand nine I quote that part of that talk because it was so meaningful to me. And anyway, so that's how long ago, I know it's been a long time. It has. I just I like the. Reality that it points out that no matter who you are. Because obviously, we have celebrities doing TED talks, and we have people we'd never heard that at this point. They are saying still if you present poorly, you will do a disservice to the audience, and so here, we are going to give you a structure to do that. I to me it was liberating somewhat that we all have to adhere to certain things if we want our message to be heard, but going back to influence if we want to have influence there are there's there's some frameworks of success. I guess we all wanna think. Well, that's just the brilliant people who fell out of the sky with you know, perfection. All right, Jennifer here. She says tons of coaching in my profession videoing my presentation going over it with a coach role playing with peers being filmed as the most brutal, but life-changing exercise, you will see yourself doing crazy mannerisms that will make you cringe, but are telling that are telling signs to a client of nervousness sounding scripted. Not look. Listening etc. It helped me a lot. Yeah. I interested see one of me talking to one of my kids about something important. What do I do? How do I do? I am. I fifteen times more stern than I would be otherwise with somebody else. I'd be curious about that myself. I think for me, I think I might I might be better. I'm in front of a group of people even strangers than I think, I fumbled more. When it's something I think because it's important, you know, especially I go back to when the kids were younger and talking to them about the important things and just making sure I get it. Just right. You know, even stuff about their faith. And it's like I didn't want to mess it up. So I think I would I would fumble more than if I was just speaking on a stage to be why I agree to and we think that's good to realize that even that being casually seeing them show somebody if we haven't seen it in ourselves we've seen it with somebody else who is brilliant on stage and off state. They're not they don't relate to people. Well, they don't connect. Well, they're not confident. They don't look you in the eye or their area again, or whatever we've seen all sides of that. And that is I don't know what to make that other than gosh, why not take that into all areas of our life as soon as I say, this is it rolls off my tongue though, I do bristle at that is. His life of performance. Can't we just be comfortable with each other? Of course, I guess it depends on the on the on the environment on who it is on what the point is. And if you're sitting back and just sharing with a loved one at home is that a performance. No. But you still back to Oscar Trimboli just of are you listening? That's gonna come across regardless. Nobody's going to miss that. Which is the most important thing. And the hardest thing to do. Sometimes it is that it's almost tempting to say there's a root issue across the board. Obviously if you're on stage, you are presenting other than that. Generally, if you're in sales, if you are asking somebody out on a date, if you're talking to your kid talking to your spouse in any social gathering, the deep listening aspects, how are you listening, and that's what Ostra goes through the four types of listeners are either one he's just waiting to get your your story next. We all know that person. Are you the one that's waiting to give some somewhat pedantic response and say, well, let me tell you are you in. This was me are you the lost listener? Which is you're not really listening that well because you're thinking about something else entirely. You're not even thinking about the conversation here over here is they can about a business idea, or what's for dinner, or whatever. Which is terrible. It's disrespectful, but I have to admit that's what I have to fight against myself and the other one I can't remember how he termed it, but it was the somebody who takes the story and just dramatizes it and goes. Off into Neverland with that anyways. But that right there if to nail that seems like probably pretty much of a root of how we are affecting other people influence them or not. And that's such a great point dimension for this podcast because then affects everything with your presentation. I do recall being in sales, and, you know, lots of sales training, especially Ziglar and everywhere, and they would teach you on active listening, and how you listen, and those are the cues that that's how you are. You're selling right. You're you're selling based on what you part about. What happens so often is an in. Sometimes I'd have a partner with me on a sales call and the the prospect would say something and then five minutes later, my partner would ask. So tell me about that. Well, I already told you about that. And it kills a sale. It kills the sale because that it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not it's you are not listening. Somebody knows it. They just they look at it. As either you're not professional or you don't care and you've lost the opportunity to influence at that point. But you just outlined why? And I was taught this I didn't come up with it. Why I have a notebook something to ride on with me and any type of medium like that. So I hope my goodness. It helps me stay on track helps me not do that. And get caught unaware. And here's a neat thing that I was taught recently I was told and it was had to do with investor meetings, actually, and we had a guy because generally, I'm doing them with a business partner. We have a business that we've been taking invest money on. And he says when you are talking about talking to the investor your tendency when your business partners talking in this case, your tendency is to look at your business partner and nod it'd be interested in what they're saying. Because they're talking about his don't look at the investor is investor care about what your partner saying afterwards. You should be able to break it down and say may when. You were talking about whatever he was not interested at all. And when you said this, and this he was in learn from that is so difficult for me to do that. Because just the human nature of it is when my business partner is talking. I'm looking at him. I'm resonating with him. Well, he's not selling me. He sold the guy over here. So it makes perfect sense. But it was not natural to me. So that's one I've had to pay attention to recently that was new because I haven't spent a lifetime on investments orbit because we were taught to look somebody. When look them in the eye when they're talking of your partners talking you're gonna look at them. But that's true. You have to you have to gauge the audience the whole room and see how they're how they're responding and Elsa for speakers same ghosts. Or when you're up on a stage, you need to be aware of your audience. And aren't you train them on you, turn them off? Whether that's with one person two people are two hundred. Here's I'm going to bring this up read one here because it comes back to a point that I'm going to ask you to. I I don't know if there's anything else you want to add to it. So Clinton row he says we used to practice pitch each other back in my door to door sales days, sometimes for hours, it was then that I had some of the best sales later in life while selling roofs and pay jobs, I would visualize and run scenarios on the way to present the estimate in deal with rebuttals and closing techniques. And I feel it's really helped I want to bring that back a to rebuttals he used that word to win. Somebody says, no. And again, I want to highlight that because I think that is really hard for people to take that and go gosh, if I am teaching myself to deal with or respond to the rebuttals that that that again, I'm gonna use that word feels manipulative that feels like I'm just using a technique preface. I'll preface that though. Because what I did learn through zag. And others is so often there is somebody who does need your product or service. They really do. But they it's scary to make a decision. We all are kind of fear based in that. We'd rather not make a decision. I know I'm that way. I'm generally looking at something going on. How can I just not deal with it? And yet if I need it, I need somebody to in love and care helped me see around my own obstacles of can I really not afford it. Or does it really not? Is it really not the right one for me or yada, yada? I need somebody often to help me with those rebuttals that I'm going to put forward because I'm just trying not to make it a rather just not mess with it. But I need to. You know, what I learned so much about this stuff from zag and just being at the at the company, but also from his book secrets closing the sale was such a big impact on me that if you look at objections as a positive somebody that is maybe going to buy we'll give you objections somebody who's not interested in. We'll say, yeah. Okay. Great craig. Well, let me think about it. And I'll get back to you. Seriously. So if somebody's saying, well, the prices a little high what they're really saying is I want this. And I'm hoping you're going to work with me a little bit on the price. But they wouldn't do that. If they didn't really have an interest. So how is looked at objections a little bit differently? And again, just probably zig was like when my first my first cells job. So that's all I knew. But it's true that if you look at it in a positive that Wayne you give them the the rebuttal or or the solution to their objection. All you're doing is just helping them to see how it's going to make a good impact them again going back to you shouldn't be selling something. You don't believe is a good product or service. I my one of my one of my favorite memories. When I was I sold software for years. And I was in this one company that I. I I was an IT sales actually outsourcing, and I was in this company that I did not feel good about the company that was just some internal sesame integrity things. And I just knew that I had one foot out the door. Just wasn't a place for me. So I do recall on my one of my last sales calls because I didn't have the pressure of the quota because I knew I was leaving that I was meeting with with the company, and it was a huge opportunity. And I remember them telling me some things, and I clearly said to him I said, you know, I just don't think this is the right fit for you. We're just not the right company for you. And I walked away. And you know, what's really funny? I got a call back from that that BP not only because he wanted to buy. He said, no, actually we thought about it. We really do want. This like he's selling me on he's going to buy us now. But then he offered me a job because he said if you can be so confident to tell somebody that you're unauthorized that says, you have character you. Integrity, you know, whether or not it's a good thing 'em, and you're not trying to force anything. So I just think go back to if you really think that what you're doing is right for someone and you're telling them all the reasons why they should have it. That's not manipulation that's serving if you're doing the opposite though. And you know, they're going to waste their money. You know that your product is inferior. Then you are literally doing a disservice to yourself because your brand is you, and whether you were in that cell shop or another cell shop, you take that brand with Hugh, and you don't want to be somebody who doesn't have integrity. You just gave such a great example to not coming into that arena of I'm here to make a sale. But I am here to see if I can help or not to put it mildly. That is so huge. And I had to learn that I called it walkaway power. Do I have do I need the money so bad that I'm here to make a sale, no matter. What do I have walked with? Of course, what I found and this sounds like a tactic. But it is is if I come into it with walkaway power with a really caring, and it like that my sales just skyrocket, and that's counterintuitive, but it is. So let's let's wrap this up anything more. I'm just thinking about this. Again, we're talking about the power the necessity the benefit to all of us, if we are just aware for if we're president for cognizant of every engagement, we have another human being whether it is our co worker our boss. Our spouse our kid are perspec-. Tive customer, whatever there is a little whatever degree will prepare for it be aware of ourselves in that the benefit just goes up. And yet, I think the reality that I kinda wanna hit on it is this is very very rare today. I think more so than ever we're our kids, we're Archies outside of us. I mean, this isn't part of school. It's part of college. It's not part of the job. Even I've seen kids go into jobs where they needed this in the company didn't even teach it, and I I don't know why it's such a lost art. But I think the opportunity then is it's so easy to stand out. That's the good side for us. Yeah. You know? And you're right. Most of what I've learned about practicing before presentation and asking questions and confidence and all that didn't come from school or home. Even it was more what I learned on the job and role playing. And I I'll be the first to say, I'm not a Santa whole plane. It does work. But in in the when I have to do it myself. I don't love it. I like when I was in a sales role. All no, we never we were at a conference or retreat into do profiles. Like oh, gosh. I don't want to do this. But it works. And so just, but that I will say though, it doesn't take a ton of extra preparation to stand out because so few people do it that if you just tweak futures practice your presentation or practice yourselves, but you're even practice how you present something to your spouse in advance if it comes across as unique because most of us just kind of work off shoot off the hip kind of thing we'll to your role plan. I think that's good for everybody to hear. We're say you're saying that there is a benefit whether you like it or not. But we could also say look if there's if there's XYZ ways to prepare for prestige and find the one that fits you best and do something, and I will have saved guy. Did it recently when I have to talk to one of my kids one of my older kids about something difficult. I will usually write it to them. And they know that now they know that ice I communicate better when I have time to. And I write and I can look at my words. I mean, that's why I'm a writer more than anything. And then we'll talk about it though. Because I know sometimes I can use that. And I have admittedly. I've used that to not have the face to face confrontation. I've done it with my wife. She now knows and gives me grace to say, okay. Let me write it out give it to her an Email, whatever. And then we'll talk about it. But it helps me to think through it and say what I mean. And not say what I don't mean. I think that is so important. My husband does the same thing. I should probably do it more that kind of going to seem to seem to talk by semi lanes. But he does the same thing. And then we can talk about it. And it's not confrontational. It's not. At bad time. You talk about it when it's the right time for you. But I like that you do that too. And I probably should do that more who will get the put it off on that aspect of. How can we all benefit if we take a moment or more to just think about what we're saying how we're saying it how we come across because we all I do back to what you said earlier, Michelle, we we all want influence. I mean, we can't nobody. Well, I'd say nobody listening to this show does not want influence the people who may not care about. It would not be listening here. So they like thank you, Michelle. I'm I'm inspired. I'm thinking about my appointments today. And we'll stop here. And I'm going to know some stuff out need to I'll benefit by preparing for sure. All right. Thanks. Well, there you go. Of course, I hope you're motivated to be working on your personal and business presentation skills. But here from all these people should also just make us all feel easier and more normal in a world that doesn't give much attention to such things to its detriment to go forward and put some effort into how we present ourselves overall. Again, it's not the norm in today's culture. We don't get that taught anywhere for the most part. It's like, it's a specialty issue. And yet we all suffer or benefit from it. Thanks again to all who shared their comments and experiences coming up next show, six seventy one I bring you Johnny powered Johnny j o in. And I he's renowned for bringing meditation mainstream via his organization in app, one giant mind. And it was this was brought to my mind because in show six sixty seven with Michael Hyatt talking actually that was that the habits show. I think. And in the spiritual spoke, he referenced using the one giant mind app as part of his daily spiritual habits for meditation and in truth. I think more than half. Well, more than half of the guests who I interview on the Ziglar show a test to using meditation as a primary part of their daily habits and routines. It's really grown. And I think probably the answer to these stressed out culture that we tend to have and we used to hold up as some badge of merit. And now we're seeing it is not a badge of merit. It's more of a badge of shame to be so busy so stressed out. And it's not working out for us and meditation is an answer. Most people a lot of people are using. It has a lot of spiritual undertones, obviously. And I think it's always had baggage. But it's really brain training. That's what we're learning. An example. If you're familiar with the sport of biathlon where where the Olympics where cross country skiing and rifle shooting are combined and after vigorously Skien for a distance the athlete must then stop and call themselves in order to shoot a very small target and make a bullseye in our lives. We tend to go go go, and then struggle to hit those bullseye targets that we want to have success that we desire and Johnny really shows how to use meditation to help us calm ourselves in order to be present and fully useful in able as we target. Our most valuable goals. It's not rest so much as fuel Johnny states that most of us are prisoners of ourselves of our own minds. We never stop to gain control of an over our thoughts anxieties worries and never ending duties enrolls. We tend to rest I put that in quotes. You can't see me by. Escaping to entertainment, which is more like a pause than a refocus and recalibration. So this is an quipping message, really drove home what we're missing and what we can gain with taking a moment. Daily to really be present in our own minds. So till then folks, thanks as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire are true performance together.

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642: You really can choose your reality

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642: You really can choose your reality

"L? Let me tell you what you just said. Whether you realize it or not you just said, look, I don't really care about what's happened in my hand out. Don't even care what my circumstances are at the moment because there's nothing I can specifically do right now that will make my future either better or worse, and the choice is. Welcome to the Ziglar show. I'm your host Kevin Miller, and I'm here to inspire your true performance from the framework established by zig Ziglar, one of the top motivators and personal development leaders. Our world has ever seen who believed we could all be more do more and have more how by improving ourselves beginning with how we think about ourselves today. It's breakdown some personal development. And this show here message from zig Ziglar about our ability to choose to choose. How will make our day our life better or worse, obviously, we can't control everything, but we can control. What's most important, which are ourselves our actions or responses and perspectives, it's powerful medicine, and it radically affects our reality from the message and with the new year in mind, I asked listeners this question. What is a new decision that will make your life better better that you are going to make for the new year or considering making for the new year? We got a near record number of responses and Tom Ziegler join me, and we talked through a number of those responses, it's just incredibly inspiring. So we'll start off with zigzag message after I share some great resources with you. All right here. Then is a quick one and a half minute message from Ziege to get us rolling. Objective is to get you to make some decisions today that will give you a media benefits. But more importantly, they'll still be giving you benefits twenty thirty forty fifty sixty years down the road. The choices we make are absolutely incredible. I'm going to start by asking you four questions. First of all, how many of you, honestly. And sincerely believe as a matter of fact, your totally convinced they're something you can specifically do in the next three weeks that would make your personal life, your family, life, and your business life worse. NSA your hand. All right. Then have you believe there, something you can do it in the next three weeks would specifically make your personal life your family life and a bit and you've been live better? Can I say you're in? Okay. How many of you believe the choice is yours gay hem? You have you believe every choice has an end result. Kate. Now, let me tell you what you just said, whether you realize it or not you just said, look, I don't really care about what's happened in my past. I don't even care what my circumstances are at the moment. Because there's something I can specifically do right now that will make my future either better or worse, and the choice is mine, folks. That's an awesome realization it eliminates the blame game. It eliminates an awful lot of things because it means you've got a choice. So there you go folks simple profound. And of course, actionable though, not easy granted. So again from that message I posted this question on Facebook. What is a new decision that will make your life better that you're considering or going to make for the new year will hear then Tom Ziegler, I read through many of your comments. Tall on this message from your dad one that I have heard so often just the power that we have by making a choice and taking responsibility knowing we have so much control over the good or the bad. That's going to happen throughout our day. Our week our month our life. I just thought, hey, we'll just honor the first of the year here and make it kind of a New Year's question. And thus again, all I'll I'll say the question. One more time here. What's a new decision that will make your life better that you are going to make for the new year or considering making for the new year and had so many responses across the board here, I thought it'd be a lot of fun. And as I read through it was just inspiring to see how people have are really just thinking through. What is it that they need to do to or want to do to make their life better for the new year? I know Tom you often have or at least last year. I think was it dossier that your before you had a word. Right. It was like your word for the year and everything that was the rudder for the year. What was that? Server year. I'd pick a different word. So you know, or two words one year was a pure and simple. You know? And and so every year, I haven't come up with my word for this year yet, you know, in it could be this phrase because you know, we might just reveal it right here on the podcast. I think by phrase or word for this year is the title of my book that's coming out of March choose to wet. Yeah. And it comes down to choices. I mean, even how you decided this. You know what what's the question? We get a choice. What decisions what choice are we gonna make that's gonna make our you're better. And so when I dig into what is it main to win and you can choose to win. What I'm really saying is our habits were the fruit of the habit is winning in that area. And so for me, it's everything's choose to win. Well, I I don't know. There's any more powerful Lord than that to me right now as well. Tom following this interview, I'm going to be or this our show right now, I'm going to be interviewing Rick Hansen. He's the author of the book a hard wiring happiness is what he's known for. But his new book is resilient so much of it talks about that just taking responsibility and having the freedom that we have a choice, we can drastically dictate. The results of the next moment by what we do. Well, so here here, we got a whole bunch people who have said, hey, here's my here's what they are choosing to go after for the new year, and we'll read them and comment as a spirit leads. You ready? All right here hit Kim Dunkin. She says I have decided that I need to have the competence in myself that others around me have shown they have in me. No, more second guessing myself. And I think we all know people who think are amazing. And yet they think they don't understand how amazing they are often. Do you say, especially as a parent, you set your kids, and she's going to say, well, I'm just going to believe them. I thought that's that's I'm with you Kim. Good good on you. Yeah. I love that. We were around somebody who to me is very professional, very, you know, does everything. Correct. And while we were with this person, they self-doubt of themselves like four or five times NFL kosh. You know, what a what a what a handicap? And it's not that. We don't look back and reflect how you do all I could that. I give it one hundred percent that I deliver you know, overdeliver what I was doing. That's not the point. The point is is that when we show confidence, and we have confidence that our performance goes up. And so we have a choice while it would we choose anything that's going to reduce our performance. And so that's where that's a powerful one. That comes talking about is just moving forward have confidence. Don't doubt yourself and learn from your lessons. Yeah. I like that. No, more second guessing myself. Awesome. Gregory here he says reducing this year. He's going to re reducing distractions by devestating previously beloved endeavors with which I fallen out of love focusing and focusing. I appreciate that. That speaks to me of doing those things that make you fully you. And I think we often we I do at least, and I see it and others as well though. We look at those things that really give us joy. But maybe it's not a half to right? It's not work. It's not taking care of the family. It's not yada, yada. It could and we get put it in the category of almost like a luxury. Well, if I can afford the time for myself feels kind of selfish, and yet I know that my wife, and I finally realized with each other those things are vital. It makes whatever that is for my wife. It makes her better for all of us. Please go do that thing. Don't look at as a luxury look as as in Cecil to require. Moment to be the best you which serves us all best. So that's been a constant process for us over the years to look at those things that make you full you, those are maybe maybe those are some of the most important things, and you know, a good habit, which I love here is just taking some time to evaluate. Okay. What what did I invest in the last night as what's doing it for me? What's lost its, you know, its impact in especially people who work out. I know a lot of people who grow bored with working out. And it's not that the workout is bad. It's just what you're doing in the workout needs a little bit of variety. So, you know, health as well, we're really striving for right? And so the ultimate goal of who you wanna become as the fame, but I love Amy Jones who was who was a member of the Ziglar team speaker here she passed away too young. But she used to talk about addition by subtract. Action. It's amazing how when you can subtract things from your life. That are no longer taking you in the direction, you wanna go and what a great choice. You actually add to your life by taking things out of it. Yes. Yeah. I put it under that cliche of not letting the the the good, you know, getting the way of the great. So there's a lot of good things. I gotta get rid of. So I can focus on the great thing because we are finite. I'll here here's a couple that go back to back. She miss says whether whether or when to drop the day job to push the side hustle to the next level and be a free agent. Tony Cooper says quitting. My current job position to pursue my passion. It will reduce a ton of stress that comes with being the CEO of a nonprofit and more. I think especially with our audience here, we have so many people who are self employed pursuing side gigs side hustles as we like to call them so often and that often comes to the forefront. When you look at the past year went by what's going to change this year at the end of the year. We still going to be in this job that we have that may not be. The most fulfilling thing may not be the outpouring of what we really feel called to do what we really have a passion to do. And but it's a big one because it's money. It's work. It's so much wrapped up in that. So we got a lot of comments in regards that Tom, I know you're surrounded by people who are going after something in a self employed aspect a solo per, Noor, entrepreneurship and Dever. That is probably the most exciting thing that they've got to look forward to you right now. And you know, it's it's the the wild card in any situation as you right in. So what's what's thirty percent of your focus attention, heart and passion gonna get you versus one hundred percent. And so always lead, you know, lead with an lean on. Okay. What am I passionate about? But I'm a test but verify kinda guy, and so when somebody says, you know, the side hustle, do I push it a hundred percent at you should already be getting some feedback some positive response from the world that says we need more of that. Right. And so I don't really I don't like the jump in. And then plan, you know, how like the the plan and get feedback in make make really focus decision on it. That's why would when we talk Ziglar about the wheel of life concept about having a strong spoke in every area, your family, your health, your mental mindset, you know, your personal goals. Your budget, your finance all these areas. The reason we talk about that is when you're creating a passion. Right. When you're when you're giving birth to the new thing, and you got to be operating on all cylinders while you're growing it. Because you've got you know, I think it was John income is said, you know, build your dream job while you're doing your day job. And so I'm I'm a big believer in that. But I think we're lying to ourselves. If if it's even fair to who were working for now to stay there beyond the tie, right because somebody else is going to step into that role that you're gonna leave you feel obligated to. That's that's gonna do better because it's a fit for who they are. And where they are. So it's a win win. When we make the decision based on the right information. Now, I agree. Sometimes we are. We are taking up a seat that somebody else's dream job. We need to get out of it. Well, how you mentioned the Ziglar wheel of life in the spoke. So all on that note grant Lawrence. He says I love Ziglar show. I am a twenty year old college student and listen to the show every day. I'm making a decision relating to each spoke of my life mental. I'm reading one book a week and listen to seven podcasts per day spiritual arm reading to chairs reading through the bible in the year daily proverbs. Correspondent today of the month. Reading a chapter in psalms and the first person talking with God and setting in doing one witness goal each week physical. I'm running my first marathon family, I'm scheduling at least thirty minutes to spend non distracted time with my parents and sister financial I'm sitting aside money to I give then save than live on the rest, personal stretching my comfort zone and backpacking through thirteen different European countries and career I'm passing the CPA exam and beginning, my NBA, my gosh, what would the world look like, Tom. If every twenty year old was doing what grant is doing right there. Oh my gosh. Gee whiz. I mean that is unbelievable. And so, you know, one of the things when you're twenty is you've got all this incredible opportunity. That's going to happen over the next sixty seventy eighty years of your life. Now, I'm gonna look at life spans. And so the number one key is in ethic. There's two things that that you can maximize when you're twenty and it looks like you're doing it number one is set on the fast track to develop yourself as the person who automatically produces the fruit that you feel called to in your life. Right. What is you know? Maybe it self-discovery right now. Maybe you don't know what that is. But if you're constantly investing in yourself in your in your thinking process in your care Trinita green decision making in even if you're living like Dave Ramsey says I'll beans and rice, but your investing in herself. That's awesome. And number two. Don't dig a hole. It's gonna take ten years to get out of the don't. Finance this adventure with debt and based on what you're saying on your financial thing, you're not doing that. And it is okay to live month to month without a lot of money it when you don't have responsibility. It doesn't sound like you have financial responsibility for anybody else in your life. Gosh, if you could if you could just chalk up the next couple of years to what you can learn who you can become and without digging a hole, man. This is unbelievable. Yeah. Totally agree. Just here's to you grant. That is I wish I was doing that at twenty year at twenty years she wishes could travel back in time to your twenty hit with a not. Hit with a not it would not hurt. My future. No doubt. Well, Steve Rosen who we know. Well, he says simply moving back to the mid west to be closer to family and lifelong friends, we know him we know the a big thing for him. He's got a business and a community in the network that he's leaving to move. So what's the big deal? But I I actually pulled that out because I really liked the concept the thought of moving as a kid we moved quite a bit. And even in my my young, married life. We did that. And to me it was exciting. Many get to get rid of all the clutter get rid of stuff sell stuff. Give it away kind of start fresh go somewhere new that was exciting to me and a big move to that nature like what Steve's doing? I'm not going to be doing any time soon, but in my own life. There are some circumstances that change people that we were taking care of and really investing in that have gone on now. And we're looking at some things that my wife, and I are involved in stepping down from some things. And to me, it's almost like a new move. We get to we'll do this. So January one we've got New Year's coming up. And we as a family. Look at goals for the new year, and my wife, and I are going to be talking about that and talking about okay? This is a new place. We're not going to be doing these things. What are we going to be doing? Instead, what are we gonna invest in for us? It's going to be more margin. It really is. It's having some margin having some downtime. Not being maxed out like we had gotten into the groove of an man, I'm excited about that. So to me, I'm really going to be looking at it as a move. This is a move. Here's our circumstances. We're going to change some things and even to the idea of getting rid of stuff just clearing out the house. Let's let's give a couple of Carlos stuff to goodwill just get rid of the clutter and just free up margin margin. Martin maybe that's it. Maybe I just found my award for the year, maybe it's margin. But I like putting that aspect of it. I don't have to think of a little incremental change. I can look at it as a move. I am moving to a new reality that I get to start the next day. And that's exciting. I love that. And I think, you know, this on some reading that I did throughout the year this year, and that is a whole mindset whole mind shifts thanking process on the thanking used to be a migrated asset is my house and right now the ways the way the world works the way people generate income and build a future financially is if your house is an anchor, it could be the reason that you're saying no to great opportunity. And so the the concept isn't don't, you know, don't not own property because property in the right way is is a great investment. But what is eyeing is is don't let where you live be a a burden or a weight against your greatest ability to impact the gifts and talents that God's giving you and so what Steve is really saying. Wait a second. I am you know, I've recognized a mile. Life. That fangs Joe matter but relationships do. Right. And so the fact that he's making a move for relationships says that he's got his as his treasurer in the right place. But no matter where we are in life. It's the same thing. And so for a long time, I think for generations in the US. At least gosh our treasure was our house. You're right. We install any type of move or any type of change that meant we had to have a real estate transaction to facilitate it man that was lot of energy time money. And so a lot of people would give up before they even even explored it. So where is your treasure? Where is your greatest anchor is far as it's gonna lie. Maximize gifts and talents to God's given you in shift the mindset a little bit. You know, maybe maybe you still on property, but you don't have to live in that property, right? Yeah. I I like it. I'm not going to move in from my house. But kind of that idea you can have a vacation go somewhere. I have a station. So we're not actually moving, but we can move our perspective right there in the property that we have and thanks to these sponsors for bringing us today show. 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I have worked from home for a couple years and gotten into the groove of being home and working. I now want to be home and be home. There hasn't been a divide of work, life and home life. My oldest started our freshman year of high school this year. And it made me realize how fast time goes by. And how we need to cherish our times with our kids while they are young men. Both. Of those sound just like just like what we were talking about their real estate may not change. But they are going to make a move to a different reality different paradigms that they're gonna wake up in and go forth through that day in a new place. That's estimates. You know, one of my friends, Don Smith, he was telling me about an in-law his I was a dentist over in Holland, and he came home one day, and he any mystics his kids again Friday. He didn't see him all day. So he went to his account in said, a I'm going to be at home every day. My kids offers are off from school. And he was going to his account because he thought he was going to take a huge financial hit. And so he rearranged the schedule to where he was off his practice every day his kids round for school in in Europe. They take a lot of occasions while the next year. They did the business any actually made more money. He was more profitable. Even though it works ubstantially less days any went to his account any. So what happened here and his account said will will I'm not surprised in. He said why? And he said, well, here's the thing. You're putting in some long hours. Now, you're doing ten twelve sometimes fourteen hour days when you're there, but your motivation, your energy, your attitude. Your relationship ability is way up because you're not work is not your purpose. Right. Your family is your purpose in your work is just a vehicle that allows you to enjoy your purpose. And so I think for people who say man, I'm going to work less. Even in I might get paid less and a lot of cases, you'll actually find out the opposite that when your work is to fuel the purpose of what you do. Then the work that you do becomes more powerful the way, you transact becomes more powerful. And so you might be surprised, but is definitely the right sequence. And then getting more sleep. I'm all about that Alexandra. My daughter showed me something on the iphone last night. She showed me that you can actually change the light setting in program and into your phone. And so there's something about looking at screens. The harsh light keeps your brainwaves going. And so the iphone now has a soft light. So I I like to go to bed about nine every night. So I've set my my light on my phone to go soft start at seven at night now in so simple choice, but it's all about the recognition than if I don't get enough sleep. I'm just not going to be effective. So I gotta put my brain in sleep mode before I go to sleep. I. Yeah, that's a big deal that we are seeing more and more and more research and and science on so Tom we actually got a timer that my router in the house goes into and in certain time at night it sets off. It shuts off in in the morning. It turns on and that is that is great sometimes we'll just do that. Sometimes we'll just unplug the whole thing early. Let's just let's just stop it get everybody off. But that is something that we're seeing the need for as gotten into the screen lead culture that we we all tend to fall into somewhat. Crystal here. She says I'm gonna let my yes be. Yes. In my no, be no it's easy for me to say, yes to everything and everyone to my detriment. And so I'm going to be letting my inner voice shine even more crystal. That is one that. I it's a continual path for me a yes, man. I am a people pleaser, and I am learning slowly, but surely too kindly say no for the betterment of everyone not just myself. It's not just about me it so I can be better for everyone. And I found that so often I would say, yes, I would do things with a wrong attitude, even a martyr attitude sometimes or I would just just take myself kind of like somebody said a minute ago just dig myself into the ground or there's nothing left. That's not good for any one. And I've got to refrain that. So to me, that's that's a big deal. I mean, that's that's a that's a big move as we keep talking about right there. Yeah. You know, a couple of tips there one of them. I learned from Dan. If if somebody was really wanting a yes, and there is some pressure around it. And and the example he was given with our kids our kids a lot of times. We'll hit us up. Hey, can I go do this? Right. And we're in the middle of efforts the end of the day and dad would answer this way, whether it was to business associate or to the family he would say if you need an answer right now. It's no. If you can wait until tomorrow, then I will look at it in. So for us people, please retypes that's a lot of the times. Right. And so I kind of that's my mental off process. Once it gets to about three thirty or four in the afternoon because I'm an early morning person. That's what I know that if it's a complicated. Yes. I just don't make any decision until the next day. So I like that too. My wife, sometimes it's ten thirty or eleven and she's got a question. Honey, we can talk about this at five am I'll be all good to go. But right now, we're not going to get anything anything. Good out at all. This is this is somewhat in that same frame. Sean language says I need more prayer and meditation. I am in master. When it comes to getting things done that sometimes comes at a price being too, uptight. Enjoy the good things in life. I need walks in nature finding time to be still to pray or meditate those will dramatically improve my mental, physical spiritual and emotional health. Ironically, by intentionally building time for these things, I will likely have more head space to be creative. And we'll actually become more productive and less stress. Sean. Yes, you will man I've got to remember that myself. I can I can do two hours of work in four hours. I am. I am great at doing that. When it could only take two hours if I would take twenty minutes and go four walk go take some time to myself, go get a little bit of margin and then come back refreshed again. That's just something. I honestly think our work culture, Tom has probably harmed that we're. Gotten into the, you know, the nine to five eight two six whatever it is you come in. You do you work. You don't do breaks? You get your time off after that. And we've gotten used to sit down, and you just turn it out and grind it out. And yet our most creative. Influential people are bitch a-all with getting really good work out of these short time periods or whatever long just like you were telling the story of a minute ago after whatever period, and then having the time off whether it's a fourteen hour a day, and then nothing on the next day, or whether it's blocks time, whatever is a secret sauce for you. But yeah, we go we get. So I think wrapped up into this. Just we call it the grind. Let's stop grinding it doesn't grinding just whereas us down thus the term grind. I was just thinking, you know, there's every now and then on Facebook, you'll see somebody posted quote, and at the end of the quota will say, you know, said no one ever, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think at this to my head she you're spending too much time with me, the creator of the universe. Never said. No-doubt? Yeah. Yeah. It really is. But again, we it's it's the culture. So we gotta we gotta look at that. And no the power is strong there. Even I do that. I'm self employed. I can work whenever However I want to and I still get caught up in the day when everybody else is working. So my kids are in school, and yet, I don't it's not usually what gives me the most efficiency Elizabeth here. She says I will do I want to do what will make me feel good long-term instead of what is temporarily enjoyable, especially with respect to food and technology use man, I think she hit the nail on the head for the two things that we tend to do for what feels good right now food technology. We're good at putting some things off probably some of the things we shouldn't like relationships and and big experiences. We shouldn't put those off so much, but we do again as a culture, it's just what we tend to gravitate towards. Yeah. Food and technology. And then we suffer the results of those short-term dopamine hits that we keep hearing so much. My gosh, we interviewed Simon Senic. It's probably bene- couple years, Tom. He's the author of start with y and he has some incredible videos at just gone viral on the effects, the negative effects of our addictions to screen, which even myself. I think I'm not addicted to screens, and then I've got I got a new phone, and it gives me that weekly or daily usage thing, and it's shameful. Sometimes made I'm talking on the phone for an hour. Okay. That's not so bad. But how often in my checking anything the weather? Check to see if my family posted something, it's not all bad stuff. But how much time do I have that? Dumb screen open in front of me. It's just an addiction. Yeah. You know, dad said the number one reason that people do not achieve their goals and dreams is they trade what they want most for what they want. Now. Yes it. So it's it's easy to say. Oh, I want that now. But we've got a really put an we gotta keep it light. What are we trading it for? Right. So that's that's powerful is powerful. Here's what here's something powerful. Evan renfro. He says acting in boldness and courage to know that the person God created me to be is not the timid shy and overly self critical version, I have been in the past and as I worked to strengthen these qualities and myself, I want to guide others to do this same, man. That's some insight into himself that guy the guy did not create him to be the timid shy and overly self critical version of himself. He has been in the past. I am reading more and more on that. And I I like to sum it up for myself, and I cannot give out to others what I don't give to myself. And if I can't feel that confidence. I mean, this is so much. This is the message of Ziglar if I can't look in the mirror and say, those affirming things the myself with confidence and I. Can't give that to my kids as well. That's so convicting, Tom. It's almost shaming. And all reality. I gotta be before. I can do of gotta do before. I can have an I've got to have before I can give. Yep. Hey, here's another one Chris McNulty taking control of my schedule making the things that are important to me priority when scheduling my calendar too often everyone else's needs take up too much of my time. I mean, we read that's easy in the nod your head too. But it doesn't feel good to tell somebody new. But if we can do, and Tom I'm sure you've I have seen some people who've taken this too, far and their self care and their boundaries are so tight end. So wrapped up there just kind of a wall in unto themselves, and maybe people have seen that that's burned you, but I think it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I've also seen people do it with graciousness. We you know, what I think about your dad zig Ziglar out. You're you're telling about every night. No matter what's going on. No matter what has happened in families over things are happening to nine thirty comes. And what happened song he would stand up? And he would say didn't matter if we were family, friends, guests, whatever he said. Well, I don't know what y'all doing, but I'm going to bet. He would just had off. And so I, you know, one of the greatest habits that you can do for this is just carving out. What I call the perfect start at the very beginning of each day. And you get the foundational things done in that very first part of the day. And part of that is you know, reading meditating praying learning things that will help you become a better person. And then taken the time to schedule the priorities of your day. And then work on the priorities in the wife's gonna benefit you in those you love the most. It's amazing. What happens to your availability? When God intervenes and says, hey, wait a second. You know? I know you've had God tap on the shoulder. Basically, turn your head and say, hey, I know you're trying to get that done, but you need to pay attention to this. When you have the perfect start when you have that habit. It allows you to have the margin. Later on for the little things that just come up in life. That are so important. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. You know, Tom, I'm looking here. Trying to pick out a couple more get so many responses I am going to give us just a couple more before we wrap up the phone if you want to read some more of these and they keep coming in. And they're so inspirational go find me on Facebook. It's my personal pays but you'll see Ziegler logo up their agent K as in Kevin Miller on Facebook. And I posted this question on December eighteenth two thousand and eighteen and there are so many comments. I think it's really it's racial a lot of people have responded back to each other. Supporting each other encourage each other in the things that they said, so please feel free to go there and continue that and put your own down if you want to so we can respond to you about that. But a couple more here, you just mentioned the morning time, and Tom Nicole, Kristen here, she says I haven't set down yet totally reflect in goal setting plan for two thousand nineteen that I know I wanna discipline myself to practice. The miracle morning each day. I do some parts of it each morning. But I'm not consistent about doing. All the lifesavers each day. I know started off by morning, right? Will impact so many other aspects of my life. Well. With all the people that we interview here. And as I go through their habits. I don't know that I've come across anyone yet who does not have an intentional plan for the morning because they have found such dramatic value in that. And I've heard so many stories including my own that when I started doing this. It was initially that oh my goodness. I'm going to get up at five whatever for myself too. I'm excited about doing that. And it's again back to zig Ziglar, and he said, it's not the alarm clock. It's the opportunity clock. And if you don't believe that's possible. Try it for a couple of weeks of getting up in time to have the time that you need to set your morning, right? And I just heard consistent testimony of people who've gotten in all of a sudden, it clicked they said I look forward to it. I need it. I makes me it makes me be a better person. It has changed. My life the testimonies are just refutable, Tom. One of the one of the things that I reflect back on there's a doctor friend of ours. And he's psychiatrist and he works Pacific -ly with bipolar. And he actually prescribes it is patients besides doing all the medication go into the, you know, the ongoing counseling, so it's all medical. He also prescribes dad's series. How to stay motivated for the Melissa. And so in a conversation as a wise that he said, well when you have a condition like this, the first thoughts out of your mind in the morning can generally set the day in he said, if I can get them thanking right out of the gate in a positive mindset about the possibilities about who they are. And how they were created what they can you know, how they can control. What goes on? Then we have a much better chance of keeping their thought process in the positive proactive. I'm gonna happen to live instead of the reactive Ono life happens to me right in. So we just known scientifically, we just know. That's the way the brain operates. We also know if we've gotten comfortable with ourselves and we've dug in a little bit. We can also tell win we're starting to go south when our brain is starting in. That's where if we know ourselves we can plan interruption. We can create. The habit of hey, I'm going to go take a walk. I'm gonna go drink some water. I'm going to tech somebody. I love I'm gonna listen to some upbeat music. I'm going to do something that changes the track that I'm on. And so I I love this. Now in that, you know, when we start the day riot recognized. Hi, we're not perfect the world's not perfect things that we don't like do happen. But we have a strategy on how to have more consistency in how to make life better. Absolutely in that. Right there strategy weather goals as a word that excites you or whether it's just choosing direction have having some intention -ality find the word that works for you. But there's nothing that will power our lives more than setting a destination knowing that what we're going towards hemming. I'm going to end with one that was pretty significant here, Tom, and I've seen her post before and her name on Facebook is lady rela which I didn't know what that meant. But she actually mentioned that here. She's going to do some serious and. Conscientious thinking visualizing and planning about who. I really am. So that I can align. The person that I am who I've always been deep down and reflect this in every aspect of my life. I also need to come out of the shadows. Do you notice I'm not even using my real name on Facebook a number of reasons for this? I want to be the face and the image of the work that I do. It's taken me years to get to this point the Ziglar show together with other podcasts and books have really helped me overcome. My limiting thoughts and get the strength to believe that I can openly be me without fear. I've always known I wanted to serve others I've been the happiest when I did through voluntary work or other types of service. I've engaged in the past. But for some years now, I've lost sight of a really matters to me and had become entangled with a living experiences. Brought me stress anxiety and lots of moral dilemmas particularly in the workplace, so it is time to reassess my whole life set goals for every aspect of it. In order to never forget my purpose in life. I want all aspects of my life. My health relationships parenting spiritu-. Polity career to be interrelated and to work together to help me achieve success by helping others. Just like zig said, I'm really grateful to you guys and everyone who makes us podcast possible for being there and speaking truth Tom back to Steve's things she is ready to make a big move. I love it. I love the I think it's the Japanese who look at a beautiful piece of pottery or vase, and it's been used for centuries. And were they see the beauty is in the cracks. Now. It's in the every day that is where the beauty comes from. And so I just I want to apply that I would say a good twenty percent of those who come through our Ziglar legacy certification one of the doubts. They have when they walk in is am I good enough? You know, can I carry this name? We'll look at everybody else in this room their life seems to be perfect. And when they grow through the class like the graduation reveal is wait a second. You are going to have just the way you are. In fact, the cracks the way to live has happened to you the way you've responded to the things that you've learned along the journey. Those are the real things that are going to make the difference in other. Nls lives. And so it's not a it's it's not a, you know, just a complete denial of these things happen to me. It's way to second. These things happen to me for purpose. And who I am today is it's beautiful. Right. And I've gotta have a right relationship with myself with my creator. But who I am accepting who I am is gonna give me the ability to reach people who nobody else could reach. And if there's a meaning purpose of life. We know it's to serve others. But what if the trials are you've been through either because life is unfair or because of bad decisions are combination of both. What if you're in a perfect position to help somebody nobody else in life can? Maybe what you said about the cracks when I talk about all the people that we all the guests that we have here on the show going through their habits. None of them don't have some intentional morning ritual in the same sense. I can't think of one person who we've talked to who is not cracked. That's where they come from. That's what that's what Tom, and I don't mean to minimize anyone's cracking out there because some of it is just tragic and really hard to see the redemption in. But there it is there's where we're looking at we've all got cracks, and we should my gosh. If you don't have some cracks you probably not trying hard enough. Even if you didn't come to a tragic upbringing, I don't know many big business successes. That didn't wreck business. Maybe it wasn't tragic. But that's how they learn learn what not to do. They weren't what to do. Right. There's gotta be some cracks. But can we have those be redemptive? And like you said Tom used those to do what we couldn't do. Otherwise, what other people couldn't do? What's unique about that crack or do? They overcome us. I mean, there's there's the holy grail in so many census right there. So here's to being cracked. We say Tom cracked in two thousand nineteen. So we'd go with that. Gosh, lady, rela whatever your name is. Maybe we'll be revealed there. Thank you for sharing that I think you just spoke to all of us to some degree. And it's one of the most inspiring post. I think that that we got there. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you, all for responding as you have Tom always a gift to do this with you. I am inspired. Amen, brother. You do a great job. I love getting all the reports of what you're doing. So Ziglar Ziglar show. People are you know, they are eloquent and how they speak of how you've been the caretaker for this really taken its next level. So as we finished two thousand eighteen going into two thousand nineteen I'm blessed, and you're part of it. Thank you for blessing me. I am honored to be a messenger. Here of Ziegler message and how weaves its way through everyone's lives. Thank you all blessings to your new year with there, you go folks are charged that we do have control. We can't choose. We can take actions to make our day our week this next year better. We're not going to be blown by the wind circumstances, of course, are going to happen to us. No doubt. But we get to choose now how we're going to respond. I mean, it sounds pithy and trite, but it's just true. It will take however daily. Work. It's not something that will just understand right now have knowledge of and go forth with much any difference in how to get daily investment and having good choices making good decisions. What hey, I'll tell you. What's coming up in our next show after I share some great resources with you. In today's age can be hard to sit down and learn more. You may think you don't have time to read a book. We'll check this out blankets. He's the only app that connects thousands of nonfiction books into the best key takeaways, so you can read or listen to them in just fifteen minutes right now. For a limited time blinking has a special offer just for our Ziegler audience. Go to blink dot com slash Ziglar. Start your free seven-day trial. That's blankets. It's spelled B. L I N K. I S T Lincoln's dot com slash Ziglar to start your free seven-day trial. Okay. Coming up next and show six forty three. We talk about one of the most dangerous threats to our lives. What we don't know. What we don't see my guest is carry off. He's a speaker podcast or passer, one of the largest the most influential churches and Canada. He's written a book titled didn't see it coming, overcoming the seven greatest challenges that no one expects an everyone experiences. So here I'm going to list them out here. Good for you. Cynicism. Compromise disconnection there relevance, pride and narcissism emptiness in burn out. And he says we're all going to come up to those at least he gives us eleven warning signs for getting close to fallen off the cliff into one of those areas. Both I was really intrigued by the message and artist gushing me nobody sets out to become any of those things. Or even says, hey, I'm I'm open to the fallen into those areas. They just happen overtime like gaining weight. And we see people who have. We're going to realize I think you will during the show that you're probably fearing one of those ways already carry just doesn't masterful job of opening our eyes with a breakdown of things like needed self awareness. Really talk about that a good bit burn out quiz that we talk through a little bit. And just guidance on overall gonna do a personal audit to clarify. Where are we where do we need to shore selves up where we endanger where we doing? Well, it's just a significant discussion folks just why we're bringing to you will till then thank you as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire. Our troop performance together.

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Stop Asian Hate | Episode 46

An American Conversation Podcast

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Stop Asian Hate | Episode 46

"Wilkinson american conversation podcast. A podcast about a comedian and to feminists having discussions every week. About what the hell's happening in america today each week we invite fascinating people and provide interesting news to be hashed out with the understanding that as americans. We can agree to disagree. We can laugh hysterically and behave politically incorrect. And still be friends for the next round of debate. Revelation leland and rose are not experts but alona is and that makes rose unhappy. Listen in every week. Be that fly on the wall. Welcome back today. We have our special guests jimmy. Shanna comedian alone. Is shaw our lawyer. Brown sugar have to say it. My god leland south park rose medina leland heflin we are going to be talking about what is going on with his asian tate so we have to korean and the rest of us are not okay. Let me read something. I go ahead. Racism against asian-americans immunities is deeply entrenched in american history. We stand with the victims and survivors of the atlantic and with all victims of hey and racial by stands with all our others insiders. Who feel unsafe today all right. I'm done preaching udub. We said okay pat being said in today's society. We have a lot of anger. Going on towards asian people. I'm not saying that it's towards korea. I would believe that. Were feeling more towards the chinese because of wonderful fucking trump in what he was saying about kung flu. And all that crap. That was funny. Cons flow lewis. Funny yeah no virus. Not so much. Yeah exactly. Have you guys had anything happened to either one of you. Have you experienced anything to your. Family's gio you jimmy. Go to tell me what's going on just the other night. I did a show or stoppage. Hey and i've posted a flyer on instagram and someone would go back home. I'll get mad. And i looked down but it was my mom not man. She must be close to white. Guys weren't even skinheads plumbing. I'm starting off with a job but seriously this is serious matter and what they do is they basically lump all asians together so half the time. It's not even chinese people that i know of a tie guy that that was killed. Yeah there's learn america yeah. Those are the old tiger. They're targeting these pussies are targeting. Old people which i think is the lowest of the low people that can't defend themselves. Yeah women and old people. That's just to me pathetic but grandma hit that guy. White guy his ass those then. You're all the money from the goes on me as well. I think it's over a million dollars. She needed to infamy. I actually had an incident. I live in a pretty gentrified area in lower manhattan and nine four or music. Ten forty five in the morning on a main street where i stopped in the middle of locked. Adjust my stuff. As asha my way to chinatown which. I don't usually go to during the week. But i just happened to be on the way there and this guy. That part of the story was really narrow. This guy coming towards me and he looked really angry and then he tried to sit on me. Dodged my jess me. And then he. I saw him to keep walking and at one point he turned around. He just had like. It's kind of euphoric kind of adrenaline rush kind of thing so i felt obligated especially obligated to go report this just because it was so look on him. I just felt especially after then. I went to chinatown. You're seeing all these people that are really vulnerable. And who don't report these things. They're not a positions recorded at at you. It's so difficult. Report hate crimes. I think it's gotten a little bit better in the last couple weeks. They're actually doing things you're starting in. Nypd now has somewhere you can tweet email and they're having more referendum. They're trying to get more people involved. Everson especially essence. Atlanta happens but even here a couple. I think it was early last week. I asked you an atlanta last week. Visiting my mother Last week here. He's heard that about the older woman who's filipino. When a church that homeless earn up horrible. Yeah it was a homeless guy. He attacked her. And the norman closed the door on her and do anything and they were trying to defend themselves saying that they didn't see that the beginning and then they showed the footage from the building. And then you see that they let this woman who's on the phone walk out the building right into it if they were so worried. Why don't they stop the woman from going out such like. Open the door for her to go out and she goes walks right into it looking down on her. That was shocking. When the guy closed the door they day just watched and they just close the door on and then a person who lives in the building walkout into that without saying anything china. Stop our ex president. That sort of egged this on any. I think definitely he definitely normalized races. Emitted okay to say racist things in the whole kung fu thing and a lot of people can't tell asians are so it affects everybody in la people. I can't tell them apart. No hanna understand about the local. Though rosettes different hard i actually my husband or soon to be ex is chinese japanese korean and my children are part asian but we would go to the korean spa and we could not even figure out which one was my husband when they were all in the same outfit and i understand bigger out your own husband. Nothing like ursel problem. Attention to the wrong parts leland. They all dressed the same. Because you have to wear the same outfit in the spa. But when they're all laying down all. The men looked the same. And i couldn't figure out which one was my husband. Something happened to a friend of mine in la where she was eating outside of a thai restaurant and i think the difference there was that she was their son. This man comes to start screaming at them. Sexual things your son's geisha boys harassing them. The difference there is at least in early do anything they were late getting there. They didn't really help them. They didn't take that seriously where it's at least here in new york. I feel even though nothing really came. Yes announce chuck came of it. I put stuff on my social media. I know a lot of people in the neighborhoods. So it's people and the police were responsive this Gentrified neighborhood what if it wasn't a gentrified you're in chinatown. They're not going to try to help you although it's really cute. I was in chinatown a couple of weeks ago. They have these now. They always policemen around every corner. And but they're super bowls jordan. You're there. you're chinatown here last week and it was dead there was it was empty. There was nobody around no body. Nobody really eating. There's one of the problems. I think that a lot of people don't want to be police officers anymore. And i don't know about the rest of the country but here in la they don't want to get involved a lot of times. They're afraid to get involved because so many people because of black lives matter and all the big news stories these days turn it on right now and find one that. They're just afraid to respond that they're going to do something wrong or somebody's going to attack and or spit on them. Though in silver lake there was an arson incident where this homeless person set fire to four vehicles where an and the lady who lived in the building was telling us that the police came and were afraid to get out of their vehicles and the homeless person was. They're setting fire and it just didn't know what to do and it goes back to a lack of training and it goes back to the lack of all fide individuals. That really want to do that job anymore. And that's the shame the most recent story. I'm sure you guys have heard. Is that story. Where the lady police officer miss took her real gun for her as her in shot a young black gentle. It just horrible. Because that's a mistake. That should not happen when you have people out what he. What are you going to expect them to come to help you out. No they're not being trained in mental health there now. That's the people that are causing the issues. The people that are not getting the correct mental health. Care disagree with you. I think the number one issue is bias. I think there's a fear of african. Americans were bringing it back to african americans where you automatically get scare and i have this problem too. I do if. I'm walking down the street and i see a big black guy. I get more scared. Than if i see a white guy or an asian guy and i think i if i see a hotline really does but i think i think this bias needs to be corrected because i have seen videos where a white guy just shot his wife to france and a man. The house housing. He's running. This is in ohio and saying hilmi and the cops de-escalated took the guy in the guard was rushing the cop if he was black. The communist shot. I'm right out the door coming right out the door. I was afraid for my life. I was afraid. I missed to this for that. Although i agree with you jimmy in terms of the confidence and the training and competence because she's a trainer this woman twenty six years on the force who shot this poor guy train younger officers and she can't. She doesn't know the difference. Wouldn't go you're talking about something that's really important. Which is the difference between over policing lack communities and under policing asian people are coming in and saying look. We need your help in this way x. y. or z. And they're know that's not what happened in new york with the doorman closed the door. That was a horrible thing to see and it was. it was pretty calculated. It wasn't a moment it wasn't that split second it was. You saw him take his time walking to the door and closing it and he made a decision which is not at all to excuse the woman in brooklyn center minnesota where she grabbed the wrong device. Which still is a hard thing for me. That's a hard pill to swallow for me. No people are saying cops do that all the time. I don't accept that. Because if i wrongly i dunno my job is not life or death but if it were and i had to make a decision between two things and they chose be instead of a and somebody died for it. That's i can't just say i made a mistake. That's not an option but there it seems. There's a missing piece. Which is why are you reacting properly in in other communities. You're over policing are under police. What hana tell me this. Why is it every time. I see an image of an asia person getting attacked. Why is it a black guy. That's why do black people not understand what it feels to be a victim of racial profiling and it just doesn't make sense but art of it could be people that are bullied ended up becoming a bully. A lot of the times down from the perpetrate. The only explanation i can think of. I certainly can't speak for lack man. But what i can say it. It's a lot what you're saying. Jimmy which is fully bullied people become bullies but also communities have been pitted against each other for a million years especially in the united states irrespective of race in the same boat. And that's that's the ideal asian. People have been discriminated against in a very particular way black people african american people have been discriminated against in a very particular way and instead of going out and saying okay. Let's organiz because it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. We do organize in a lot of these organizations work together but instead of organizing were pitted against each other and it's yeah control the rich white people at the top. I think in my case the person who did attack when they tried to spin on me he was a black person has multiple layers to it too as well because he was probably homeless person. He didn't look lots. Jimmy initially because he was pretty clean cut and i just didn't think he was homeless. But then it's interesting. Because then a week later i heard another incident. I still haven't gotten confirmation even freeze. The same guy him. Attacking another woman was also asian. But i saw video footage of majestic look so. I think it's also a mental health thing a lot in new york. At least his a lot of these people are somehow a mental health issue. There that's not being fully addressed that. Yeah we really need to get maybe a couple of weeks ago. We started having some kind of not. What's not protests rallies. We had a black and it was called the black and gold rally here which is really cool. And i think we religious need to work on solidiarity and i i heard someone. I think it's the guy that's ahead of the n. double acp and he. It's basically we need more people. I feel for asians to be aware what's going on and also the fact that we don't even you don't even see our history very much in history books in america girl. A little bit about japanese interment very vaguely. But most people don't know when asia. I came to the us and it's been centuries. I learned about asians in howard. Zinn class at bu. Tell alley that. I had no idea. I just agent chinatown. Said y'all chinatown on the asians the I didn't even know the ignorant i wasn't. He's read this book. Read that up. And i'm a racist i didn't realize it but i clean my act up one of the things. I knew that i say asians are the new mexicans because people are mad at us because we're taking their jobs that they don't want they want mexicans to build walls. They want asians to build firewalls. But at the core of that joke is a truism which is that. I think a lot of particularly black people think that we just come over here from asia and then all of a sudden we have a business or were taking something away from their communities. Because a lot of times you'll even go to content or something and the corner stores owned by an asian person. And so i think that's the core of all the problems that they had in the nineties and least for sure. And i thought we were past and we got to just becoming more of sort of a socio economic and who's the sort of the haves and the have-nots type of thing but then we moved back into just racism by with this virus systemic racism. The problem with that too is that it's very difficult for black entrepreneurs to get a loan to open up a store so then you live in a predominantly black neighborhood and you look up in. The first thing is nation star. How big money for that. It has nothing to do with the asian family whose here wants to succeed in america. But who else they're gonna take it out. And that's what i was thinking about the bidding against each other and i'm glad that the guy had held them goldman sachs. He is putting a lot of money into detroit and investing in detroit in african american communities and stores. And everything you need to do that. You need to invest in the original sin in the original people here. Never mind the native americans. That's another Asia people come here and do well and it's because of the stereotype you guys. I'll tell you get their money. I know i'm cat and relate to this one is you're korean is when i was a kid. My mom you with some over trusted friends would pull together. Their money in korean called gabon and they made their own little banking system. They pulled together their money but people that need it the most get it first but they end up paying a little more interest or a couple more payments at the end but everybody gets ten thousand dollars is not a policies game if you were the wrong person. It's it could be a ponzi because if even one person on that link is corn schemer than you might not have any money at the but most of the people she dealt with just her close friends all wanted to start businesses and so they'd have this ten thousand dollars star and so i think black people need to come together and help each other. But that's an an. And i learned about that when roseanne and i were working together at legal aid thirty years ago. I learned about it from really though who is Puerto rican new yorker and. They did something called the su. Is that sound familiar roles. And everybody kicks in every paycheck. You kick in two hundred dollars and if you've got eight people do the math sixteen hundred you get a chunk of money. i know. Carry the one dollars that would be my whole paycheck but you kick in you get in and when it comes up on your time you get that chunk of money. But we rosen. I had a coworker who was drian and she told us about her family doing now. Drunk we love it on his home. We have to find her but she their families came from korea and they did something similar but it was ten granted a half and so times eight or ten families. You're talking about eighty thousand nine hundred dollars. Eighty thousand one hundred thousand dollars when when it's your turn when it comes around. And it's an organizational scheme that not excuse this image or scheme that works but lack americans. It's just not part of arc culture. It's just not ever been introduced. I think you just mentioned immigrants though. See i don't know if americans do that once. A white person does it added. His name is jail now. what's his new diet. Anybody did he. Die the jewish guy when the how is his name wild yes bernie made all my mother that she would give money back because we never had any money we never had. But i think i don't know catherine are leland de cologne has point. The i agree with her. It's not part of the culture. Yeah it's now part of the american culture for the white people. I know that you wish thousand is a lot of money. Yeah yeah you guys are just the better minority than we are. Sure in quotes. Are catherine getting pissed. Anyone is i think we see the same thing even in your as a parent here in new york just in terms of education. Diplomacy is doing here. Where basically now. He is sent to asian the whole public school system. The specialized schools obvious these schools. And they're trying to physically make it look more diverse. So it's an issue that again we're being pitted against each other that they're blaming get resolved. It's not getting rid. it depends. I guess our next mayor. Maybe because this mayor wanted to make it superficially look. The schools are diverse. Meanwhile he's not putting in the infrastructure to help these kids actually the better way to do. It is to help kids from kindergarten up and their families exactly impeach when we get ties auckland's versus just making it look let given pigeon and then her certain kids out then it'll look supposed to liquid. Meanwhile you haven't prepare these kids to be able to do the scoring that's required for this stuff. When when i was in new york i applied to stuyvesant. It was mainly asian. Mainly i i would say maybe one or two puerto ricans. I was at one of the. I didn't get it. But i got into bronchitis group science and that was asia so to me. The stereotype. asians are just smart. And now i see discrimination against asians. I agree with you. They have to not discriminate against asian people. But help the other people elevate them. But i don't wanna do that. You don't want to do that. They just wanna bandied the situation. Joe with what the issue really is that our grade schools are not a lot of them are not great or even. I've tried to do little things as others. Universal pre-k we're now there's little there wasn't a universal pre k we have to send our kids to private nursery me out of the pocket piano pocket and now you have universal pre k bit. It's to support. I feel all the families in different situations and you need a middle class in york. You're basically pushing out the middle class from racist against asians. Because i white people don't want asians taking over sorry weakland they don't do. That's why i married one. And i had i prefer asian liam. Yeah it wasn't the white man but they don't say that don't say it's not fair. Let's keep asians down. Let's black style. Let's you puerto ricans. Now it's to not be white america. This is america. They don't want to change from talked about it. Let's keep america in the nineteen fifties which pretty much leland's even though leland's family is pretty poor right from generations. i don't know how many generations and i'll say trash you know together. White trash needs combined with lack. Sworn for ages. We all need to unite. The fuck is this is not your lead. You stole it from native. Americans are i hate when i say that they are the bering straits they say are. What's your name hated. When i said your engine location she goes then beneath Nobody thought she was one hundred percent of american are half and then like twenty thousand. You guys came from japan-china growing up. You could say which. I all this land. Get your ass back to ireland. Scotland england germany italy spain. But anyway go ahead. I was lucky. Enough to grow up in tacoma washington. Where a lot of people were military families sleep tacoma washington state washington state back and basically. I grew up such a melting pot with so much diversity even as diverse worst still segregated. Here you still have k- town. You have chinatown yup japan town. You have tied down and people are separated. Where in tacoma everyone went to the same school were literally thirty percent. Black people thirty percent. Asian and thirty percent white and then latins. Were probably the minorities where i was from long story short. I think one of the things that made me less racist towards people in general is that had exposure to all these people and at certain points. I had a best friend that was block. I had a best friend that was asian. Had a best friend that was white. You know what i mean and so you just realize we're all the same and i think a lot of this. Racism is coming from areas. That are super and you and lots of ignorance going on and lack of exposure to the other racist to know that. Wait a minute to try to escape. Go this korean guy for for something. That china did is just complete. Ridiculousness it trying to attack order rico for something that venezuela did open slow as either share. The chinese didn't do anything to move in the united states. But that's the thing there are two things one is. Americans are incredibly lazy. And if they look at every asian or asian american person and see one thing it's it's super super duper lazy. it's just lazy. so that's one thing. The other thing. Is it possible for people to open their minds and their hearts not to be just virtual to two other people that they don't understand deblasio and i'm not a huge fan one way or the other. He hasn't turned me on in any way. But can he can these leaders. These political leaders make changes that are meaningful if it's not from a place that's authentic and organic. Can they look at a community and say we have an issue here. We have an issue here and make changes or do they have to understand that. The the jimmy's talking about. I had a black friend and so i understood the black humidity better. I had whatever whoever the people are that your friends or are you doing something. That's never going to sink in what you do. I say it's not going to be real because not authentic. That's a good question. Hafren from i think that here at new york city superficially we are amounts melting pot. I grew up in miami so there weren't very many agents in miami every only families that were there at the time. Because this is miami in the seventies and eighties. They were family friends and we all went to the same private school. We all go to. There was a korean church. And that's essentially blocks had that too. Where you have a church we can congregate. But i guess the difference with asians. What i think one of the difference would be is that it becomes your even. Though we were catholic. We went to press the cherian catholic korean church and go to a catholic service and then my dad was part of the korean chamber of commerce. And we'd have to go to the church and then a lot of koreans each other. I think there's a lot more in miami now and getting people. I don't think people even heard of korea. Most people that i knew until they thought soul was just part of china. Did you suffer any. Hey during the time for a little unusual as and that. I grew up in the middle class. Area i went to a private school because everyone at the time in my ami must he go into private schools so anything i can and i'm a woman so i think a lot of it. Were maybe microaggressions as probably one of the few asian friends. A lot of my friends have had an even now by live in new york city. But i also live in a gentrified area worship somewhat diverse right. Rose you remember the neighborhood. But it's a lotta quarter regan emporer and then i went back and now it's gentrified is code for white. It's it's just what's the need to be was more artists is right now. We have a targeted neighborhood now. A design starbucks target will. Everyone was off target here. But i love target here. It's great target on your loved oregon bed bath and beyond the whole foods. All this stuff that this neighborhood was not known for before we'd have these artsy things here. So i don't know i just thank here. It's easier to have experience of having different kinds of friends and i feel. I hope that when. I need someone like me for me and i would hope that a lot of meet friends my friends he for me and not necessarily because and just senior asian friends but as someone that they want to be friends. That's how i picked my friends. I don't really care about the color that they are. Edge is just that there's something about them that inches near the I have a quota. So i'm one and run your wife friend. I need another one alone. I got two black friends halloween. I because i a couple of other. Puerto ricans wait. We trouble black is friend. Rose not really and your mother doesn't count leland the oppressor of the group know what do you think. Because you also didn't grow up with diversity. No the tower like grew up in. I actually met somebody a few years ago. Who said oh no. My cousin grew up in in cabin. John where i'm from and i looked at her. No your cousin did not grow up in cabin john because this woman asian and i said there's no fucking way and she said no she did you did and as you need to call your cousin up figure this out. Because that's not and she did call her cousin her cousins from the next town over in cabin john. There was one asian person and it was a little girl who was adopted from china from my neighbors and there was no other asians. Those other person was grew up in. Cabin john adjacent. Yeah not cabin john. It would like maryland. Glory legally different. We are talking rednecks. The boys drove the trucks. And i all drank beer and liking asian people. I don't know. I've just never really been attracted to so i've done everything. But the white man. Bruce lee is why was so hot. I had a big poster of him. Are they hard on your big hard. On a bruce lee on my might hours a nice body though. I'd have body of his. Yeah yeah at didn't know the difference between asians. He's just asia. i didn't know what i think. That's really bad that somebody saint. I grew up in the neighborhood. That catherine lives in. Now which is gentrified. I can't. I cannot afford to back to the neighborhood. I grew up when which had three projects independence bauza were projects. And everybody was ricans for blacks. Were jews italians and portuguese and i. It was a lot. I did not know when i went to be. You is when i. Oh my god. My my world opened up. Exactly how you were talking about tacoma and by the way my daughter applied to gonzaga. That's in spokane. But it's tacoma. But i just. The ignorance is only two areas leland. I grew up ignorant. I grew up not knowing. Stop thank god. I had an attitude. Problem where i fought with the real racist. Epi you the people with money the people that would say. Remember this guy sink to me. Can you hold his bag of drugs for me looking back. What are you nuts. every remember. He's an fucking random street with he didn't ask me wonder why the puerto rican and i am holding back view and he never spoke to me again number. And that's to me the ac- jimmy question for the group. How much do you think yet. How much do you think ethnocentric propaganda. That is a lot of the conspiracy theories and stuff where heard one where china release the virus purposefully and they released it to destroy america to take over the world. There's one of them. How much do you think that type of propaganda is playing a part in all. I think trump is put it out there and people jumped on it and they ran with it. It is so ingrained right now that my father called me and suggested that i switch my children's last name because of it being chinese and said that perhaps it might help them if not now in the future. Heflin is a chinese now. That's not their last name. I take china. he's all. I'm a title guy. I'm a hyphen. Because i needed. Keep my last name for act staying white some areas. I have to say i think it's a huge part of it and calling it anti asian propaganda. I feel. it's been very specific over this last whatever for twelve months fourteen months sixteen months sixteen months in nf and the worst of it in my opinion was that when called out on it there was nobody who said you have to stop saying he didn't stop saying it and nobody said you have to stop saying it. It's having deadly consequences and you're still doing it. It's because the things that is is based on a year. That are the races and agree. I agree he does centric in. I make america great again at all cost. He's speaking their language. But it's an excuse in my opinion because this was not they can decide to do whatever they're going to do based on whatever they think. It was an excuse. They don't care if you're chinese korean thai japanese. That's not really what's happening. It's that's the agoraphobia. It's ethnocentric and as a gora phobic at the same time. There's you have to are people who are just choosing to guam onto this thing to be violent and take their disappointments out on other people. That's horrible as just. I'm sorry this happened in the sixties and seventies. It's continuous one. Is it going to end when anybody have any ideas. When i think it's gonna end when right now we're already melting into each other. There's going to be less. just chinese. less whitey's less puerto ricans left. What the white supremacist. People are afraid. Anxiety we are becoming so much of a melting pot. That people aren't gonna exist. That's the theory. And so with that. Said i don't know i think that we're at a pivotal moment in history here in america But the forefront is black lives matter and they're realizing that there's real consequences to being racist nowadays. You can't get away with it as much as you used to call almost all those people that have committed. Those hate crimes are in jail. You know what mean the rotting in jail and even police officers which were was unheard of in the eighties nineties early two thousands for them to really get in trouble and we're witnessing historical court case right now with the floyd case and show this show in case the show. Can i get about that. Because people say the george floyd case and it's nothing personal but it's he's not on trial he's dead. This is the person is on trial. Yes oh yeah. With that said. I just think that gets worse before it gets better and so we're just seeing the bubbling up of final bobbling of racism. And then pretty soon. I think people are going to realize how stupid I think katharine next feelings. About this. Because i feel in some ways to get worse just the kansas. There's more time to the us. China continued to develop the way they do and then the us flaming china or china. What's gonna go on economically in the future. There's that but then also it. Now you're seeing these crazy copycat crimes against these elderly miss when we all just hated arabs. I'm kidding i'm kidding. I don't wanna hate anyone. You know what i mean. I think honestly the is gonna get worse before it gets better. Just the pandemic add to get worse and it's an interesting time because you have like a really beautiful film eaten. It was great right. Which fell am i n. a. r. i. americans call it minority manar. Yeah the norwich which is basically lended. Basically it's a. It's an immigrant story of a korean family. That moves from arkansas. What the hell is wrong with them. Arkansas coming from california. They want she. They're making they're going to farm this land but it's a beautiful film. It's a beautiful story. I feel it's relatable on different levels immigrants as a family or just someone trying to make your suffering. That are part of it but then you to the that film i thought in february two basically when we were trying to see racism towards asians at that point so the whole time. I'm watching it on tensing giger. Something really raises to this family. Because they don't as baptists town sweet heart of it was that it was just sedated. Understand they were probably the only asian day of her match but they were people. Were i think i want to believe that people integral January and they just a lot of its ignorance and people disagree the basic behind. And i think that we are taught to be ignorant and races and belittling of others. It's something that's ingrained in us by the elder his thinking. It's not only that it's also family dynamics you can live in a family where you're being abused and then you're going to go and abuse the weakest link or whatever of that group so if you can take it out on them to bullying. It's a lot it's multifaceted. It's not one thing. Because when i grew up it was mainly italians and they literally beat up every black person. I mean to the brink of death. Nobody said a word. I didn't know what to do and they were just angry. And these poor italians. it wasn't italians with money. It's ending that. It was horrible in the eighties on sixth avenue in howson. Yeah that's a testament to how far we've come so we know that we have a ways to go but how far have we come. You know what i mean you. Could you know literally call someone chink normal. You could literally call someone at n word and it was just commonplace. You know what i mean. At least now. You have to be secretive about it. At least two reasons i am. You don't have come a long ways where people gotta do this shit and secret and run away. You know what i have to say. I'm getting tight and it's not because of you're saying it's because of what you're saying. I hope they're i hope there's a distinction because i feel how long do we have to wait till we get you a place where it's better safer more more equal or whatever. Hear what you're saying. We've come a long way. But then it's whoever the oppressor is. Let's just pretend we don't know who the oppressor is. Let's just pretend i'm not here. Let's just become leland is not here and we don't know who the oppressor is. Do they get to take baby steps in improving equity relations. Whatever we have to wait until the oppressor is comfortable. We have to do it. They warming are warming up the water before we dive in. Are we just listen. We've been dealing with this ship for fucking centuries and it's not nineteen sixteen nine hundred ninety nine hundred and auburn for and so exactly. So how long do we have to accept scraps crumbs breadcrumbs or can we say hell with it. I'm not dealing with this for another second. There's there's going to be a war because china is doing way better than america. It's going to be a leading power. And america is just gonna be acting out and being racist anti-asian i that's what i think but a And all here's china. They're doing better. They're smarter they work harder. That's what i hear. I think it's gonna get worse. I think it's saying china now. He's what i forget what i said. I think we can all agree. It's gonna get worse it's gonna get worse and worse for asians because finding trump is gone. It doesn't matter it doesn't he wasn't the problem senator. I don't know that they're gonna do that much better. Because right now they sign that infrastructure deal that they're talking about and everyone employed and equal. Get back on their feet. Because i think we're going to see a rise. Never before remember when they decimated japan in world war two and they became the biggest power in the world after that. So i think there is something to the flow of an economy and society. This it made with the right decision right leadership. It could help us to become even better. I know we're also like the worst thing that have happened to me. Ashleigh out to become better. Because i learned from and because i got lessons that i would have never learned had shit just went my wet. I don't think american lawrence. Though see that i think america doesn't learn. I think america wants to be russia whites. I think trump might get elected again. We might allow somebody. He got more votes at guys. I am reading it. I'm glad i'm getting old. Because i got more than rows and each part he got more votes than what no. He got the moselle hotel. Yeah oh i got you. That's a problem. That's a problem that dead. Take me a little bit to digest. That many people still supported him after all voted for him. Jimmy my people voted for him. And what is your people are stupid on you rose. I'm getting receive ordinary. That's comedy one. Asian guy who voted for him. I'm not asian. i'm talking about. But i know a dad voted for him once. You're in a certain income bracket. I think a lot of people think of their pocket books in taxes. And that's all they give a fuck about abortion and there's people that wanna keep their money and open businesses despite the pandemic. They're all trump because they'd rather open up and save their livelihood than have someone in office that's actually has morals. Another person is going to run again and you guys better be prepared because biden is going to be too rolled homologue is gonna be before karma ally malone smetana. I got that kamla is all from grace. He was america's of buchan mayor and then all of a sudden he was with black coming down from his fucking had not in new york. He was needed in new york music. Nine eleven. fifteen minutes bef- yours. I was no longer mayor. Yeah he was from the start. He's a white catherine. Marie tried to stay there after what he tried to stage. He wanted to be he won. I'm going to try to make it a three term thing. yep easy. fdr hafren what do you think about. You know what i wanted to say something to. That hasn't been before. I go back to catherine the sexism and misogyny towards the atlanta women that were murdered. They never brought that up. They always said it was asian. Hey but as feminist. And i'm a feminist hers. I think there were targeted. Because they were women and asia women. Do you know what i mean. I really and we need to put that out there. That misogyny is rampant and that we have these horrible stereotypes. These women lost their lives because the guy was getting a. Isn't that what i'm saying. He was frustrated. But that's massage you're not entitled to sex you've gotta work at it. Every other man get it just keeps me up and i just wanted that out there but i wanted to ask you catherwood. You think about what's happening with andrew cuomo and the sandal the scandal and your off the i feel that kind of situation where it's he has genton grates he actually got issue covert With trump being the way that he was we. Everyone was in love with permits to covid this. He wrote a book before it was even over handling the having to link. Oh that's me didn't even an emmy. Everyone's has come out as a bullet and he ended at these crazy things. He's done like with his wife office expert in here that it thinks. He was abused really abusive. His ex white part of sickly uses. Something had i. I had heard about this seventy but anyway bit here everyone. I'm hearing a lot about that right now. It's just more everyone getting their vaccine. Everyone's focused on getting the vaccine in new york right now. I got my second one on thursday. How about you know about you cap and we out debris in any side effects anything besides a couple folks. i'm fine. no clocking knows great. I didn't really have any side effects. But i'm really healthy and ride take vitamins and get sunshine all the things you should be doing if you wanna be l. Akron unhealthy do anything. You're just going to be more unhealthy j. or any other any other. You're talking about one or one point. Point zero zero one percent of the people that got that shot had blood clots. it was publicized. Out of seven million. Yeah really really minute. I'm today at the x. Ray place in there was a guy who came in. Who had his shot and he had a blood clot in his tone. They were going to be Some sort of not an x-ray but as something to check it out and he had just got that from the shot so there's another one bites the dust up oaten seven million. I hate to stay. This brings me to one idea that have also is. It could have been just against women in that massage parlor case it it could have been. You're there vulnerable with your handbag. Al and somebody grabs her handbag and beat. Tried to beat you up. It didn't matter if you're asian black white or anything so just everything gets commingled together to where everything becomes this hate crime. I don't know that's the case. You know what i mean. I don't know that even if that person who the untrained person or the stupid person mistook took her her. Watch as you. Yeah yeah but what. I'm saying is that it could have been his preference versus any racist against asian. Women disagree with you. Because i think that is massage ruled. That is massaging it. Could have been progeny instead of. Racism is what i'm saying. But it gets lumped in the media as its racism. It really is hey of women. Not i agree with you. Access was that massage far drive because he hated asian people in what i mean. Yeah i agree with relying green places he could get. Some was those massage for its face. It that's why he went there. I agree with that. I think it's a combination of all of it. And i think is interesting that you said that rose because to me when i was hearing a lot in the news where people trying to defend him and saying that it was not a racist incident and that it was more about women in his addiction to porn. Not about it being something racist. Even though there were six eight women that were murdered. Know and in these places were not also the jokes that people were making about happy endings and all this stuff to these places. Were not twenty four hour. Happy ending massage parlours mitzvahs atlanta. It's actually my mother moved to atlanta right before covid for miami and worship the last two where he murdered. These women sponsor actual ten minutes from where my mother just recently moved to but these are nice neighborhoods. They're not without some shady. Its those places. Are there buildings couple of thank in there by the car dealerships in the fancy part of town but they're part of a judge who fight area and i think with this guy to use excuse that it was just that he had a porn addiction. When i think it was that he is misogyny. It's racism and the hyper sexualization vision. One minute it's all of that combined so it just averaged remember when i was first news. It's really making me mad that they were saying it's not an asian. I heard just a racist out of work. Sorry i was here so this is an interesting point. Because i remember hearing specifically the next morning or two days later and they were saying prosecutors had not decided whether or not it would be prosecuted as a hate crime because they weren't sure whether race was involved and so of course. I'm not immersed in this. But i am and i turn to ted my husband. Who's a civil rights lawyer. And i was wait. A crime against women is hate is hate crime that falls into all the hate crime criteria threes. And so you can't say that just because if in fact race was not a factor this is still you targeted women. He didn't go into a spa. Were all the massage. Therapists are men. This is a or aged men for that matter. If that's the thing but that's not you can't say that it's not a hate crime because race wasn involved. As far as i know there's no hate crime law against he will kill women and say i fucking women or i love women so much i gotta fucking them every serial killer that ever came about in this country. I don't think there is a hate crime. Law am i wrong. It's part of the issue. I think they're trying to develop it right now so even in my incident new york they were saying that it's hard to prove that it's bias crime or a hate crime because he the guy and i did not exchange words. It was just my feeling that he was a racist incident. He targeted comedy was spitting on you. For a reason. I spit on me. And the way he's looking at me. He saw my face. We made eye contact. He does asian. there were other people on. It was just a really narrow street. everything happened with i think. And that's the issue in new york too and this is why i think they're starting to re look at what is a high hate crime. And whether you can prosecute this when were exchange is a lot of the hate crimes that are happening in new york or around the country. The words are not exchanged. its vicious attack in chinatown. I think it was. Is it in queens. Where the guy attack warm each like shoved her and punched her few weeks ago. That was in the news a lot. They didn't exchange words can recruit. That's a hate crime. But i think they're really trying to do stuff about that now because there are so many incidents get agents that i'm scared for you. Being nine thousand koreatown. Last night or a couple months ago having dinner with my kids it was a rainy night. It's too quiet. we just got my daughter's vaccine at the javits and we're in one of those shelters that are in la or wherever mpr. They've rebuilt the outdoor seating twenty different times since the beginning of event so some of them are really elaborate. Now that we were the only ones there which is. I'm glad because everyone's going inside the restaurants again. I saw this guy that looks sketchy and you can come in here and we're stuck in this place you can punch us half time. I'm walking around. I have my fist ready to punch someone. If they come near me. I think definitely half wits about you these days not. I'm not gonna walk around by myself at night in a dark alley committed just a woman. This is the way we have to walk around. La is no usual but you still have to even be even more on your toes. If you're a asian these days a woman in asia which always looking over my shoulder these days and my daughter walking outside. I don't even want her to walk the dog half the time my son because they've been attacking queens thirteen year old boy with a bunch of kids playing basketball so obvious think an an an an area. That's heavily asia. Who never thought. I'd say this gupta. La honestly. There's not that many cases here. I don many cases. It's just a lot of times here. People not reporting an. That's the other issue. That i never heard of it happening in. La in new york and san francisco house my son in la in studio city last week. Really i live in the city. So i don't maybe i'm not gonna say right. They await stop rewarding. Yeah but the to sorry. I was just gonna say two points. One is under reporting and the other is folks attacking and not knowing who they're attacking and it doesn't seem to matter to them. But i have a good friend who's japanese and lives in bethesda maryland and a year ago easily to months into the pandemic probably when the attacks were starting to be reported. She was walking across the the parking lot at whole foods in bethesda which is right outside. Dc whatever crossing. She's crossing their shopping cart and a woman tried to run her over and she ran out of the way. And the woman. Just hearst a blue streak about your chinese and go back all this go back. Nonsense about the virus. Nobody cares the pin bethesda maryland in bethesda maryland. Don't they don't really know who they're attacking it not that it matters because it really doesn't matter to me if you are going to attack somebody. I don't particularly care if you've got it right. If they're japanese chinese i wouldn't feel better at least. The person was chinese. But that doesn't fix anything at all. But now i think that there's i had to talk to her several times over about reporting it and she didn't want to report it she was. She knew that if she went and reported it she might not be believed and she was concerned about that hind of the stressor of not being believed by law enforcement. Which did she not reported. i don't think she did. Didn't you go with her. Bronze sugar brian. She lives in washington. He's in bethesda. I have long talks with her announced. Listen you ha. that's why you have to report it. But any other crime women being with general being targeted for anything. We don't wanna go because we don't want to go through the trauma of not being believed and all that intel honestly for me in my situation. I didn't get physically injured. So i could have said. Just forget this just a crazy person. I don't want to deal with it but for me. I guess maybe his own to chinatown right after it and looking at every understood sneaking sick to my stomach how hard it is to report it. It's you have to go on a mission to report this and the police rachet really nice. They were perfectly fine. I wasn't scared to speak with them. They were as responsive as could be but they couldn't be that responsive because to them at or and they were saying that legally it's not a hip the pathetic but there was a hard thing to prosecute and just even trying to get to the right channels. Even us think that you would know what to do but when it comes down to it e when it's happening john it's complicated to report the stuff and you really have to make the effort to do it. Which is part of the problem. They don't make it easy. I think they're trying to make it easier now as since atlanta in the last few weeks of meetings of happened here in new york. It's really hard to report anything now. They're actually making absence steph. Where you can report things in not say who's reporting it but at least get it out there. I know they're doing that with the kids at school. that's saying. Yeah because there's a lot of bullying going on in school until you can go onto. This happened say roses kids bullying me. She's evil and and then they could do something about it without you getting in trouble and i. I think that's a good thing. I'm pretty sure that that's what they're going to be doing with the lease to and asian things going on with the people who are afraid to admit them as a woman. I've never gone to the police and reported being a harass i. It's just something that you assume will happen to you and you just fuck and deal with it. Yeah have you guys ever catherine or miss brown sugar. Have you ever gone to. The police reported even at work. When you get harassed by the guy who slips his hand on your ass you you just turn you mother fucker but you don't go to your boss and talent that these days you can't get away with that shit or not with by have you will be fired so fast now even almost it's almost it's too much yes too much. It's swung the other way so far that even the accusation or even an assumption of guilt. You're already guilt guilty. I am i. Polygon cancelled they never even got their dame or thumb. I reported professors. i've reported employers. I reported co-workers. Nobody likes me awesome. What made you do that in my world. I was raised. That should just happens it. Just uh so fucking loves. She's a liar. You don't yeah. I'm bringing mother seriously when it happened in school and it was in social work school and we had a professor amount per visit. Nyu it was nyu professor. Who was he would use these examples. That were so inappropriate where he would talk about the things that his client said to him about schizophrenic patients who would talk about how a rouse they got when they talk to him and he pulled the entire class about when everybody started to men straight and we were nineteen women and one man and so he was holding the class and we were all doing it. What the fuck are we doing but it was. It was a crazy experience. And so when i looked at the one male classmate who is one of my best friends and had the same look on our faces i was. Oh this is really fucked up because women girls and women often world testing the water. We don't even know because what you said. Linda's it happens all the time and so sometimes we're not even sure how outrageous it is until you lock eyes with somebody else near okay. This is outrageous. Okay i'm just checking so that was something that happened there and then i had a collie mata colleague somebody who worked in my office who was just super inappropriate dating or engaged to my bosses best friend but he used to comment and stand in the doorway because he would do. These gross things about watching was happy. Pugh what if that's what it was. That's exactly what it was stand in the doorway of drool at me in a very in a caricature way friday or whatever but he's gonna thump his chest while he stands in the doorway literally used to just be. Oh a rose. I'm working and i don't need a distraction and i'm not interested and you're my bosses best friend's wife or whatever he was go away husband. Whatever you him. I did and what happened. Did anything happen. My boss called me. And i me out and was how could you. He's engaged. he's my this whole thing. About how all the reasons why he couldn't be interested in me because higher. Yeah i'm a lighter yet has that's what was. That's what was important that he was interested in me or not she was. You must know that he's not interested in you because of all of these things but it's sort of crazy making that's the crazy making house lighting. We you wish it happen to you. Exactly yeah yeah exactly but reporting. This stuff is hard because based on race based on gender the whole world is convinced us that it's not what we think is happening. I think we need to raise our daughters to be vocal. Because i in one thousand nine hundred ninety worked at shop time and again the worked for five was administrative assistant. He would put his hands on my shoulders and say you tired. I just started to run on. Get your hands off my shoulders now. I would love him to put his hand my shoulders. So he's like oh. I would love that right now. He did it again. He did it again. And i don't fucking take your hands off. And he was the director of marketing at showtime. I'm going to record you. And he goes. Oh my god. You're so uptight. I don't want you touch me but i was raised in new york city by a very tough mother. A father who says always defend yourself. And i had to accept all the negative feedback that i get. When you're not girly enough. You hundred girly. But i always defended myself. I never feel not that. I haven't been a victim. But i never felt the big because i have a mouth and girls. Don't being that rank they just don't because it's not feminine enough. It's not girly enough. I don't give shit. You know what i mean. It's when i want to be a woman. Examine this time and a place for that. an old man massaging my. I'm twenty-three my shoulders. Don't get the fuck away from me. I don't care if my boss and it was never heard of again. This was never heard of again but all the other secretaries will talk that you talk to you might get from. I don't care. I will make a big thing and that's it nothing happened. You never say never again. I remember his name. And i wanna say it because i think he was a there was something wrong with them. Big should i say it should. He said you'll have to elevate out lingers on the chat could you have you ever been sexually harassed. Yeah watch your back. And we're gonna have actually and i think there's a double standard. I think there are some women that are predators and they think it's okay to for instance grab my penis or around jokingly but flirting lee but that's still not appropriate in actual whatever and i've had that happen especially when i was partying or whatever. You say don't do that. You laugh at a off because as a man. You think that you can't be offended by that. You're fat that when a woman grabs you or something. I'll never forget when. I saw one incident of a teacher sleeping with a boy. One of them were students and the dad just went. You know what that saw. My son needs to get laid at some point. So just because you're jude. You'd think that people think society thinks that it's okay to for them to have sexual abuse if you're a minor it's people say oh i lost boys or men whatever men will say. I lost my virginity at eight or ten or twelve or fourteen. I've heard that so many times and it's so disturbing because they think it's still part of the thought process that it's that's losing virginity at eight with an adult woman. when may where would second along. Grab jimmy's he. She doesn't guide without being said none of that has to do with the asian. Hey yes let's bring it all back to this and if you could do something to how other people understand what you're going through or what asian people go through nowadays after mr trump has put the seed of hate into our brains. What is it that you could say or would say jimmy to change people's minds. I don't know that. I can say anything to change people's minds that are already ignorant. I think that people need to start speaking up and we need to start prosecuting. These cases to the highest degree to where people are afraid to do it. I it's going to be fear before it's just accepted amongst the ignorant people. A lot of people don't commit crimes because they don't want to go to jail and ida deterrent. And i mean without that. I think we'd be dysfunctional as a society. Great okay and katherine. Do you have anything that you to that. I agree with jimmy. And i think as well. We can't expect everyone to come from a place where they know not. Everyone has an asian friend. I think it's just in general just to be a helper. If you see someone that needs help. John just the vice chancellor speak up in whatever way you can i hear you on that and i always feel i would too and i feel that in some situations i have but as a woman. You're absolutely terrified to jump in on situations that i mean. I don't think he needs to get yourself a group call hall back where they were doing bystander. Training online man. It's it's you can do things you could distract. you can. what are you should put yourself in danger. I don't think that whatever we can or if you haven't asian for and check in with their asian there's things you can do. You can donate to organizations a boston out your camera phone normal these days because people are getting busted left and right and that's what him reminded of that one. A lady at the park lost your job and everything member. She tony cooper. Yeah this whole mess. That started was instrumental in the beginning of the all the protests that happened recently but the other part of it is yeah we just got to speak up for each other but i don't think there's anything that we can say to convince a racist not to be racist. It's almost kind of debate with your trump supporter friend. Have you ever done that. I have very far anybody. Yeah you don't know one person that i've convinced to come the up to the other side you there. You're ignorant and you believe that that stuff is appropriate or you don't i can do is with the people that you have any sphere of influence with or at our kids the next generation of kids that come up or help support asian businesses. Go to chinatown good created tango wherever and just five stuff help. These people were suffering in their businesses because of covid and now this one as time yesterday day there were not very many people around. And i think you were saying you were in chinatown. The other day and there aren't that many people around people are now scared. 'cause they don't wanna be music areas to do what you can support your friends. Businesses johnny to organizations that can go out and buy some bats by sweat. No the bat. Oh bat rose. I thought you're talking about get a weapon and be trying to go buy a bat support. They don't eat. That chinatown tire was a job even stat. And i know you don't mean it offensively but i just. It's kind of thing that i feel. Rose fueling this fire right now. I'm not love you. I love you and i know that were doing it 'til whatever i'll take it out the bad thing i'll take it outdoor and may have sex with the nation man. How's that no that trump is married already. Found do that rose. That's a great idea catherine. I think you're doing a lot though. I saw something on. You'll let china's physicians in new york. And i just know that people stuff in the media. I would say just spread the word if you hear anything say something but report it but who own out At the things you can do if you don't know what to do or you don't have any friends. You can support asian businesses if you can donate to organization. That's what you can learn. You can read stuff online. You don't have to take a history class on asian american history but there's things you can. I think trevor no has been great. He's has some great stuff. Goes amber ruffin. They've been amazing. I think you definitely need a lot of solidarity with other minorities. His were all in this together and were uplifting each other by helping each other out. This is it affects all of us. Tampa passing yeah empathizing. Yeah definitely. I completely agree. We have boost coming on jimmy. Heidi awesome. Yeah coming on when she coming on the twenty six. How continue this discussion with comedians. I think we can make light of it to draw light to the truism of racism a lot of jokes about it and it just shows the ridiculousness of racism and when people can laugh about it and they say man. That is stupid to think that. I think that does a lot to so us as artists can do a lot in using our platform. We with a joke. Yeah i used to say people think there is a conspiracy theory. That china is gonna take over america. My friends china's takeover over america man. And i was good. Because then i'll finally bit in click motherfucker to i'll turn from koreans chinese though puck and vows get her off. You go rose. And i want everybody to go ahead make yourself in. Asia friend doesn't matter if the chinese japanese or korean but go out and get ran or others. There's more than three but yeah go ahead and you more than one. Yeah it could be signal heaven. You can iran's asian fran and that'll be good set just one. So just one done catherine. I'm done with you. Just one new alley. I can't be her friends. Now that i lost my husband. I guess i'll have to go find myself another asian Catherine now capital the your for katherine. Can you be my one asian friend. You're you're all the token and just go wait outside of any casino. All right guys. This has been so much love law. And and how can you give us a little. Come sahni dr something you say all not right. We're saying how do you say grand design. Vines spanish one more. That reminds me when i went to go eat sushi. 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804: Better to plan, or just aim and fire?

The Ziglar Show

1:12:02 hr | 1 year ago

804: Better to plan, or just aim and fire?

"The sigler show comes from the legacy of Zig Ziglar, and brings together personal and professional growth, business, success and faith I'm your host Kevin Miller in this episode better to plan or Aim and fire while the punchline. Our survey was exactly fifty fifty from Ziegler, audience. Some people want a plan to walk out and others pull the trigger and figure it out along the way, and it's more of a personal style than a right or wrong, but the trigger point is either way you are going after something so I play a three minute clip from Zig Ziglar, where he sites that people who set goals and make plans of action have better lies and success all around, and he gives some great stories from. From this though I asked the audience, this question for those who do set goals in strive for progress in your lives, do you WanNa? Create a plan of action to walk out or to pull the trigger and figured out as you go. The responses were not just cut and dry, however and Tom Ziegler and I talked through the nuances and insight brought to us by everyone's testimony and comments we're about to hear should feel free, and and confirming to you in your style and convicting take continuous action in your life! Hey. Quick call out of thanks to everyone listening sharing this show as of this recording, ziglar show has now been downloaded over forty seven million times. There are few podcast can claim this. It's why we've been ranked the number three career podcast of all time in I tunes for almost two months now. If you go to the business category, itunes boom right there front and center. You'll see us. It's because you listen. It's because you want to succeed and make a difference in your world, and you're sharing this with others and I. Thank you. Okay folks. I'm going to start us off with a three minute clip from zig. Ziglar and Tom. Ziegler and I will read through your comments right after I share some products and services with you. My true. Life podcast focuses on personal wellness. If your body and mind our compromise, so are all your efforts. You want to be as fully functioning as possible. When episode thirty five, we discussed stress, but with a very relevant twist, you'll hear my co host Dr James Claim. The opposite of stress is death will impact. What stress is hurting you? What stress? You're likely missing that you need more of you can find the true light podcast episode thirty five on stress wherever. You get your podcast. Happening at Ziglar right now, the choose to win coaching system is designed specifically for coaches and those who want to become a coach Tom Ziegler teaches that choose to win coaching system and addresses the five keys to being a successful coach and building profitable coaching business. You can schedule a free strategy. Session with Ziglar Coaching Strategists Angie Krell and right away. Goethe's ziglar show dot com slash. C. T. W.. That's ziglar show dot com slash C.. T. W.. David Johnson of UCLA. As a matter of fact, he's the chief administrative officer for the Institute. The UCLA School of Medicine Bid Study on their people who come to this seminar and who said goes programs and who develop that plan of action. We're GONNA be talking about the follow through on the goes program and in this study. Here's what he learned. Those who sent their goes and developed their plan of action earn an average of seven thousand four hundred one dollars a month. Those who get exactly the same information, thank you. It's nice. That's not for me maybe later, but not now earn an average of three thousand three. Three, hundred ninety seven dollars a month. It pays to set goals, but even more exciting, and that study did number one was the fact that their family live improved number to their health also improved number three. They're balancing live. Itself was infinitely better. That's what goes. Program is all about you gotTa have? Can you imagine Redman Hillary the first man to scale Mount Everest the tallest mountain in the whole works. Can you imagine him climb down off that mountain and some report comes, and as tell me Sir Edmund. How'd you climb the tallest man in whole world? How'd you do you think for one moment? He said we'll. Just walking around. Ridiculous. And yet aren't there in the number of people who will spend more time planning the wedding? than the will to marriage. Who will spend more time planning a two week vacation then they will. They're very life itself. Let me also say something. Sorry. Edmund Hillary did not scale Mount Everest, the first time he tried as a matter of fact, he left several of his climbers dead on the mountainside. But, the effort was so enormous. The reddish parliament called him before them to give him England's highest award. And as he walked into. That August body as an individual, they rose in gave him a prolonged standing ovation. There was a huge picture of front of the peak of Mount Everest. He ignored the crowd. He walked straight to the front of that picture, and he literally shook his fist at it and said you on. This time. But you're as big as you're ever going to get. Still growing. So, you didn't reach your goals the first time you said so what? Failure isn't event. It is not a person. Yesterday ended last night. Today's a brand new day. The obstacles mind still be there, but when you continue to go your chances our scaling that obstacle and reaching your go or rather dramatically improved. Can you imagine the chairman of the Board for General Motors? Somebody says how did you get to be the chairman of the board? He said well showed up for work. Started promoting me and here, Various is no way that happens ladies and gentlemen. We've got. A plan and the plans that way develop enable us to do. More of the things we really want to do. If you don't have time to set the goes now. You've probably never have, and you never will or at Tom this question. I want to start out because I ask you again, do you when you set goals when you solve problems? Do you create a plan of action to walk it out or do you pull the trigger and figure it out as you go, so? Make a plan or figured out as you go. That is our focus today before we jump in to the comments which I'll let the cat out of the bag here. It was exactly half and half I did not expect that. Yeah exactly happen I mean literally so we take every single comment that we got and it was exactly half and half that we had a few people say. It's a little. It's both I put them in the category, but those who chose plan or figure it out exactly half and half, so we're GONNA. Talk about that there, but now one person did Timothy he said I. have always struggled with setting goals. I have gotten better the last few years, but I still over analyze everything I've never I've never done an action plan, but to what he said I've always struggled, said he goes. This is presupposing that you do set goals that you do strive towards a desire that you do have problems you commit to going to fix, and then once you do. Do you make a plan and I'll even put this out there. Because, we're not going to should on anyone, but should you. You may think that you should make a plan are you may think somebody told you you should figure it out as you go, so we have comments say half and half but Tom Before we. Jump in to that I. do want to anytime. We talk about goals. Now I can't do it. I don't want to do it without. You bringing forth what you did in a show. It's been a while ago now what we've talked about it since then about how some people the majority actually don't. Respond as well to that term goals they respond more to. Give us that quick. Give us the outline real quick. Yeah so generally speaking and I learned this from a good friend of mine, his name is Bob Td, and and he was he. We were talking a couple of years ago and he said you know Tom. About. Only twenty percent of the general population. Is really goal. Setting oriented. About eighty percent of the population, people in general are problem solvers. And so just think to yourself you know, do I prefer the the way I like my day. Do I get up in the morning and right my to do list of problems and then do I get excited about solving all those problems. Is that how I operate? Do I. Get up in the morning and say oh my goodness. Today's the day I. Get to work on my goal I. Have this Dream Goal. This aspiration than I wrote down in detail and I'm going to work towards that. End So here's what's interesting Which one are you are? Do you prefer solving problems? Or do you prefer writing it out on paper and setting the goal and putting the planning going through it now? Here's the good news Ed. Ziglar we have the seven step goal setting system. Now you can change the word in there. In fact, he can take out the word goal setting. And put in the word problem solving, and it's the exact same steps. So here's the good news for everybody out there. He was ever felt guilty about not getting real excited about setting goals, and you'd rather solve problems. It's the same thing it's just how you phrase it, and so for example step one in the goal setting system is to identify the goal. Yeah, so step one in the problem. Solving system would be identified the problem. Right step two is one of the benefits of achieving this goal step to and as a problem solver would be. What are the benefits of solving this problem you go all through the seven steps, and so first off everybody. WHO's listening? Either one is right. Okay, the key is is in order to be effective day in day out. We need a system or a process. That's reliable that we actually use and when we do that. It gets US closer to every single day. What it is, we want accomplish whatever the problem is. We want to solve and we get there more effectively and efficiently in the process. You know Tom as I was thinking about this and read through some of the comments I just thought about the age old analogy of going on a road trip. I have never personally I'm sure somebody cool out. There has done this where they've just gotten in their car. And just taking whatever road and gone that direction, and just figured out or didn't figure out where they're going. They just took off. I've never done that I always have a deaf destination, but I am not admittedly somebody who plans everything out sometimes I'll go out with the family or especially if. If, it's just my kids and I. Don't plan. We drive as far as we want. At some point we decided. We've had enough, and we'll get a hotel and we kind of make it up as we go, so that's not specifically planning micromanaging the process and kind of having fun along the way figure it out, but it still again presupposes that we know the destination we're going and that's my favorite. Perspective. I grew up with Zig. Ziglar on is if I. Don't have a destination. I'm never really going to get anywhere or I'm going to end up somewhere that I didn't plan. So you know we're back to the value in it. Yeah, whether it's a goal or problem and as I thought about it, I think I do both equally. There are definitely some things I set out as a desire, a goal and I'm going to get there, and then there's just as many that just a problem I want to solve. I I'm thinking who cares as long as you're progressing towards something right and I did say I'm watching. The the in this is the podcast recording, but folks listen to podcasts. We are now airing these live streaming them on the ziglar facebook page, and right now we're doing that. There's usually three hundred to a thousand people viewing live, and then most of these or the when we do these there recorded, and they're generally getting about fifty to sixty thousand views, so you're welcome to join us so I'm looking at. At he's coming in and just on an off topic John Anderson. He just happened to put in there. Hey, there's a lot of ziglar on YouTube. There is man you. WanNa. See some of the best of Zig Ziglar on stage. You can go to Youtube and find him all over the place places where he's not licensed to be in places where he is which you'll find him everywhere there and yeah, so please please do that a lot of our early episodes of Ziglar show. Actually the ones before I came on. So that I, two hundred or so podcasts in eight hundred out I, two hundred or mainly just clips. Zig and it may be ten twenty minutes classic classic stuff. You can get there absolutely free. All right well. Tom Ready to dive into these and I thought I'd start off with the people. Actually. There's a couple that said both. Let's hit that fair. All Right Timothy. He says I've always actually let me I did his Thomas I've done. Both I've learned that writing things down and make a plan of action. Works much better, but I have done. Both Dennis says no single answer. It depends upon the condescension, the consequences of failure and the criticality of success, though there is a dichotomy is analysis of analysis. Paralysis can shut down any undertaking. We're GONNA talk about that. But I thought it was interesting. You know to say sometimes it's both I think that's a fair answer. Sometimes, you're to plan it out yet. If it is dire. I built my own house. We had a plan actually required here. They're not gonNA. Give you a certificate of occupancy. You can't get. It was good. We had to have a plan and that was. You know hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Dollars so that was so granted. That makes sense. There's been talked about a road trip where I don't well. You know there's not a big failure there I hadn't thought about it and that turns, but maybe that has some validity, the bigger, the consequences or the bigger, the investment, the more on the line. It probably does I mean if you're going after big business and take an investor money, you'd better have a plan. I agree a hundred percent and I've noticed that so many people say I do both right and some of them I played out in detail by goals. Some of them I just go along. With a right now I love audible and I'm probably always in a book. In I'm I'm going through Carol Wax Book Mindset Yeah. And what she really did. A lot of research on is that there are basically two mindsets out there. There's the fixed mindset. And then there's the growth mindset and you really need to get the book if you haven't read the book and you want to grow and learn and really understand what it is, that makes you run this. Is this book spot on Hey Tom, I tried I've tried to get her on the show. If anybody out. There knows Carol. Weck. Let me know because I literally. She's one of the everyone while find author that you just can't get a hold up. I just found another one that I want, and they literally have no contact information nothing so I, have to try to find a publisher an agent. Somebody who knows them Carol I have not gotten through yet, so anybody knows her now. So yeah so. The Blood Ziglar show once or yes. And So I'm reading the book and and this is just a quick. A quick overview. Basically if you have a fixed. Then that means that pretty much. Your Iq your character qualities. You are just born that way. There's not much you can do to change it. And so what happens in fixed mindset if you're naturally good at something. You will do it. And you'll keep doing it until an obstacle comes in. Maybe you know. Maybe you're good at math until you get the calculus in some fixed mindset, people eighteen to love math, and then they start struggling in calculus, and they make the assumption well. I'm just I don't have the IQ FOR IT I. Don't have the talent for it. I don't I. Don't have the natural inclination for it, so they leave and they go and look. Look for something else because after all. If we're fixed, we can't change then this just validation that I don't have what it takes. Okay now on the other side of this mindset coin are the people who are growth mindset oriented, and so what they do is they, don't they? Don't look at the gray. They don't look at how easy or hard it is. When they first start doing something, they just ask themselves am I learning. Am I getting better. Is this going to help me down the road I mean why wouldn't I try something? No matter how awkward. How difficult how I look think of dancing, there are some people who were natural dancers, but then they give up on as soon as they rise up to a certain level, because they don't want to be judged harshly, and now it's difficult for them, and then there are other people who they don't i. don't care what people think about him on the floor. They just go out and have fun. And then they start working on their skills and they keep doing as they learn so. How does this relate to? Do I work goals. Plan in detail before I. Get started or do I. Just take. It is how I go, and so what I want everybody listening to. This is asked this question. Is the reason that you don't set a goal, because now it's holding you accountable. To the plan. And perhaps you'll see that as a failure. If you don't follow through an accomplish the plan, which could mean it doesn't necessarily does mean, but it could mean that you're operating from a fixed mindset. You see the reality. Is that you could? Have a growth mindset in, so you ride out the plan in detail knowing that you're not going to be perfect in it and it's GonNa. Change in. You're going to have to you know work around, but that's okay. Because every day you're learning and growing and getting closer to that, and so I think that's a which one's better I think you know to plan it out or to take it as it goes I think the person who said Hey, if it's critical for my success or catastrophic is. Is a failure. Yeah, absolutely, you need to plan right. You need to work that through, but your mindset as you approach it I think when we get on the growth side of it, it gives us a lot more of an opportunity to go. Yeah, as you're talking about, that made me think, too. There have been some times. No I should say there. Often are sometimes. I'm a blank page guy. I like really new concepts and ideas, and sometimes they're so unknown is really difficult to plan specifically we. We might put some benchmarks out there that we're. We think, but I even had a businessman one time as an investor and he said do. This is so conceptual. There's no way even believe any plan you right out because you're going to figure this out as you go. He believed in the ultimate initiative, but he. You can't make a plan here sometimes. If you're really going out on a limb, it is difficult to micromanage that, but to still say. Hey. I'm going to go here and here necess-. NECESS- we can make some primary benchmarks for sure, and I am I do want to say to the folks that are on facebook. If we miss your comment or question I will go back through afterwards and try to address that, and I see Dennis Durrell. Who I submitted a question or comment to our show here. He said he added Carol direct to his library. highly recommend. Yes, she is, she is significant and at some point we'll get her on here. If if at all possible, we'll talk. Some to what you said. Let me at least dive in here. Here's here's some folks. I'm going to read a handful and you just you just jump Ben. Is You feel led to on this? These are the people who voted for it. They make a plan. Marvin. Panicky says a little bit of both of my natural bent is a plan. Jonathan Peyton says you know there are some great psychology articles out there on implementation intentions, James Clear. He said who who you've talked about Kevin. He's the atomic habits guy. has written about it and another good article by Peter Goal with Zor both talk about the effectiveness of having an if then step or just another simple step or a plan on top of a goal. To me comes back Tom to what you said that I think the plan. Having something there is a good fallback or necessary when you hit that insurmountable obstacle which I think. We talked about in the last show which would have been what eight Oh eight Oh two episode about. About just that aspect of you are going to in any worthy initiative hit a seemingly insurmountable goal. And if we expect that and have a plan for that, that's powerful. Because if we had a dime for everybody who said Man I had something I was going forward as excited as motivated, and I lost momentum or man than I just hit something that I must have been. It must not have been God's plan right because I hit an obstacle, which is contrary to every story in the Bible. Because even the ones you know called out yanked out by, God hit obstacles. If, we plan for that. If we have a plan for that, I think that's powerful. Just to what you said so that we can overcome the obstacles that we are going to hit. You are listening to the Ziglar show in this episode on having a goal or objective, you're going after and whether you want need to plan or your fare better when you just pull the trigger and figure it out as you go next Tom Shares three keys four successful goal setting from the Classic Ziglar Goal Setting. System so we'll dive right back in after I. Share some great products and services with you. Right now, affording your medicines shouldn't be stressful. Introducing the medicine assistance tool or Matt brought to you by America's biopharmaceutical companies. 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Ziglar is that you review it every single day you write your goal out you review it, and that review of all your goals and we tell you to work on four goals at the time it takes between six and ten minutes a day, and so here is the idea of when you have something written down, and you make it front of mine your mind and amazing tool in it starts figuring out how to accomplish. Even, when you're not intentionally what working on it right even though it might be a week before you put some energy into it, if you're reviewing it on a regular basis, then you're more likely to have the answers when you get to the time when you are going to work about right because your your brains, always figuring these things out, and so, what does that mean? It just simply means this. We give ourselves I believe. A tactical advantage. When we write it down because we're tapping into the operating system of our mind, which God created. Now for those of you, who were like you know what unless it's really really serious. I just go with the flow. Let me give you a little bit of Validation K.. Nissim to leave who wrote the Black Swan? And he wrote Anti Fragile too great books. He? He talks about uncertainty in any in the book the Black Swan, he he goes into detail about these. A Black Swan event is an unexpected event that changes everything. So just you know. The pandemic is a Black Swan Yeah. Okay so what he's done as a consultant is when he works with fortune, five hundred companies. Who have the what I call the Elite Ivy League Oxford Cambridge Harvard Gail. Executives! Who Do all the corporate planning? This is what he's discovered. He is discovered that they are the ones who have the hardest time. Adjusting to a Black Swan. Because they don't see the new environment. Their blinders are on in. They're trying to execute the plan. That spent so much time in. In goal setting is kind of the same way. You might have a goal to buy a house in two years. And then you come home and your spouse. Your wife gives you the great news. Hey, we're pregnant and we're going to have twins. Okay. So what's happened well, your priority is just changed. Your your you know. The House may be put off a little bit right. Because of the new edition to family heard the size how she wanted minded channel. Okay so now let me flip it over. want to give you a real world example of how it should be done. So this is Thomas. Nelson Publishing and Thomas, Nelson, they publish the books my book. Choose to win DAD's book over the top, a bunch of different books and San more was the odor. Of that business for many years, and he's from from Lebanon e passed away a few years ago. But Bruce Barber WHO's my agent? Who Works for Sam said you know what sandwich do every year. He bring the executives in any. Have US write a three year business plan? And then once we got it done, and we turned it in then. We never talked about it again. The only thing that we did is we talked about this year's plan. And you see what? Sam Moore was done what he learned on the Business Street was. We need to have the long range goal in mind. We need to focus on what we can control the day now. Okay, and so for those of you who were caught in the middle? With the right mindset, yeah, right down the goal in detail. But. You understand that life and circumstances change. And so, if it's a long range goal written down, you ought or what you're working on now in, it's okay, if the big objective changes, a little bit based on what's going on in your life. It's such wisdom and what you just said I'm over here on facebook. See and Jessica Moore who just went through. Legacy? Certification joining US Jessica. Thanks and Dennis drill again post in here. He says battiston comes to mind about Mark Patterson. I didn't pull it up. Quick enough, but Mark Patterson. We had on the show. Gosh in the past in the past thirty forty episodes id God isn't going to say well planned my good and faithful servant, and also Eisenhower plans are worthless. Planning is invaluable, and I WANNA I wanna hit to what you said Tom. You said Multiple Times in your and what you just went through. Tapping into the mind. That men Dat win win I have that goal out there I mean I. can't take the next step without a few plans I mean I'm and I got to wake up the next day and do something. What's IT GONNA BE! You gotTa have again. A semblance of a plan and stewing on that is one of the most beneficial things to my goals of anything is at I'll. I'll do it I'll stay awake at night. Sometimes, not gonNA, sleep, or or or sometimes wake up in the middle of the night or in the morning, and my mind is working on it, and so you might appreciate this, so my kids. We don't have regular TV, but these days you can stream stuff and somebody got us into the show Sherlock I. Think it's an old. Pretty old, it's with. Benedict Cucumber Patch guy whatever his name is. and. It's really cool. He has this part of the show. Is Mind Palace? He goes into his mind, but he just thinks it's always stood out to me. It's one of the stories of Bill Gates back in the day when he's building computers in his garage, his mom comes out. She's like what are you doing? How is he says I'm thinking? I'm just saying we don't do that was Pascal who said that man's downfall is that we can't sit in a room for fifteen minutes without doing something. Just be there alone and I'm thinking. We're missing out on what you said is tapping into. into our minds when we have that goal when we're contemplating the next steps when we're seeking wisdom that we've got so much power up here God works through this power appears well and to tap into it to stew on it to ponder it, but it is what are the next steps? What is the next best thing to do? And we missed that? We're looking for the one two three step for somebody else what to do, and so much of the time. We've got so much within a so. Thanks for bringing that that up Dennis. Thanks for your post Thanks for your post there. Let me go through a couple here again. These are on the aspect of. People who do plan Suzanne Bennett. She says I start with a written plan and flex as we learn, which efforts are most effective and efficient and productive life has been known to force an updated goal or plan as well I've learned. There's no shame in surviving through tragedy to rise again. Of course. My mom always said if you want to make God laugh, tell him what your plan is. So I flex his leading as well I wanted to pull that out, Tom. That has been a kind of a learning by at heart by hard knocks for me of authentically experiencing. What I? was vision was a call in something that God put a desire and my heart for and led me toward I've experienced that and in retrospect. Confirmed it time and time and time again in my life. Okay, so God's vision. God's call it now. The other side of that though is generally when that happens. A general I. Don't want to say journal. Let's say more so in my past I. Hope then now is I. Take that vision and go. Oh, I got it I. got it I'm good I'm gone and I. Go, and I do it as to my own planning. Planning and I often run aground. I have run aground in the past with that and I find myself going God. Where are you now? Our come on God ketchup, and that's not how he works and seeing. Though as I adjusted as Suzanne talks about as I adjusted an open myself up from how I saw it plain out and opening myself up I would see God do something different. That was nothing like how I saw playing out. The vision then happened, so go again to go back to say. I've experienced so often God being true to the Vision being faithful to the vision that he gave me that he put inside of me, but it seldom happened as I saw it so now it brings me to I hope it's wisdom and maturity. The A place of going okay I think I hear you, Lord, here it is. How do I go about it now. We're back to Bob Boating's two chairs God knows what's going on. He's big enough to deal with it and listen to him and MY A. Perspective has become one much more of knocking. I'm going to actively wait on God I'm not going to force things down. I'M NOT GONNA. Kick Doors, but I'm going to knock I'M GONNA. Get up today I'm going to knock and see where God wants to answer I have found so much more fruit from that. Trying presuppose. Oh, there's the vision. Okay? Here's how I see it happening. That's been significant so back to her. You know quote that we laugh at if you want to tell them what your plan is. There's I've I've lived out the validity of that. To some painful, some painful instances admittedly. Should you know one of Kevin One? That reminds me of one of the organizations we work with a gentleman named Steve. Anderson came through ours ELC and he is worth he's got a group called work camper, and so it work camper does is they help people who wanna live the RV freedom lifestyle, and so people of all walks of life. We've got millennials doing it now. You've got retired people doing it now, and it's people who really value. Saying I'm seeing the country living different places working out of their RV. A kind of having that freedom type of lifestyle and his partner we were. We were talking any any look to mania, Tom. I, look at my past. and. I think this is what I always wanted to do, but none of the things that I did. Before this make any sense. But every single one of them when you connect the dots. Are the only reason I'm able to do this now. And so, what is the lesson here? The lesson is that when you when you feel like. Hey, this is my goal. This is something I want to go and accomplish. Write it down go in. And then as I love this. I. Call it the God nudge. God tends to taps once we take action getting us on the right course. If maybe we weren't headed in exactly the right direction to begin with, but it's very hard to tap somebody into the right course if they're just stuck in not moving. And so his example was in his role, he taught, and he educated. He wanted to quit people to be successful on their own in everything that he'd done before perfectly prepared him for that, and so here's the danger the danger somebody else said this earlier. If you'd never star. Like Dad said if you don't take. The first step, you'll never take the second step. And I think planning and goal setting. Makes those steps a little bit more likely to happen? Yeah Absolutely I. I'll I'll put a call out on what you said there. Tom To setting deadlines or committing to things that is a habitual part of anything that I believe I am supposed to go forward to I will make a big commitment or set a big public deadline or something that holds me accountable, and from that then I have to do whatever it takes That's my own, we all. All have our own medicines to deal with our own dysfunction I. Don't believe we're all going to get rid of our dysfunctions, but we need to figure out how to manage them I'm a procrastinator I'm not a planner I wait to the last minute I know that about myself so I'm manufacturer things to make me come through. It reminds me of Dr Ben Hardy. Who recently had? Had on the show for the second time to talk about his book, Personality Personality isn't permanent. His first book was willpower doesn't work, and that's what he talks about in that book. That's another one folks. If you don't know that book, I would put a either of his books on your on your reading lists, but willpower doesn't work is so strong because he ultimately talks about that. That about how our willpower limited grit, our teeth being of all disciplined. There's a limit to that and we generally are going to fail if that's all we are working on and How better if we plan our circumstances create circumstances that helps guide us, and I'M GONNA paraphrase my own perspective to manage our own dysfunction so I like the big deadlines. I like the big commitments. For, sure here, let me read another one Andrew I always put together an action plan so I can see the steps ahead of me, and so it doesn't seem so daunting. This works fantastic for health and lifestyle changes I stick to the planet, I and adjust as I grow. Learn accomplish my intermediate goals early when it comes to larger shifts such as career. Career Entrepreneurial Goals Goals I. Put together a solid plan, but that is often where I get held up pulling the trigger is difficult, likely due to the fact that my discomfort in my current position is not too significant, I dream big, but I fear the unknown. You only put another one on their John Skipworth. He says I struggle with this pulling the trigger. Has Never worked in my favor, I am a planner by nature, but I tend to over analyze before. I tend to never get started. Let's talk about those quicktime before we go into because I keep going on this, these are the people who buy foreign large voted on the planning side, and then I want to read some next on the figure it out as you go side. Both of these guys talk about pulling the trigger and we did have people. Maybe that's what's coming up and the next section on figuring out as you go. People who talked about. The struggles of okay, here's a goal. Here's the planning that I. I WANNA. I WANNA. Walk Out! But then they get a analysis paralysis. They get in there and they don't just pull the trigger. As you said a minute ago, just take that first step. They can feel caught in that so on the good side I guess maybe the good side Tom. The balance of having the goal setting the plan makes accountable, but it can also be daunting to get past that and actually just pull the trigger. and Go I. Don't know if there's a there's a tension. Maybe that's just as in everything. There's there's a tension. There's no perfect answer and there. It's just maybe that's what we need to plan for. That is where the difficulty lies or one of the places right and so let me let me give you kind of a growth mindset approach to that a as a locus of control in in how important is I'll just refer to a study by I. Think Frederickson was the psychologist who did this study. But they looked at senior citizens who moved into You know senior Susan Holmes Living Environment and so basically all their decisions were Kinda made for you. Know what Tom was dinner. What was on the menu? That was all done. And it's like studied the citizens, the the people who live there. They noticed there was a smaller group of these out of the container is hard to please. People in the in their in in what happened was they bring him the food and the food was always too cold or too hot or not seasoned, right or overcooked or undercooked whatever? And they would always send it back. And as they got into it. They also noticed that in general, the people who were contained chorus like this were healthier and live longer. And so they're like well. What does that mean right because you know contained in long wife, those two things don't go well. What they discovered was is that these people had maintained as much control as they could. And, so when you feel like you have control over a situation, you're generally happier even though it may appear to be contained Chris. You're generally more satisfied more happy with your life because you realize you can affect your environment. And when you? Act and believe that way. You're more likely to have hope in the future right. If you have no control well, then it doesn't matter what they fade me anyway because I'm here to die, right, this is my last stop, but if I do have control and I have power over mind. Then when I get sick. I'm going to take the medicine by because there's hope. In people who don't feel like they have control. They're like well. Why Bother! Whether I die now or six months or five years, it doesn't matter and so that's why their life spans or less so somebody. I just saw put a comment. Out Work somewhere and I don't have any control over my goals at work I'm told what to do. What does that mean? So. Here's a growth mindset that will help people get started to pull the trigger and we'll help you if you feel like you're environment where you don't have a lot of control over the goals that are set for you. A kids could have the same because the parents are setting the goal. Ask yourself this question if this is the goal I want to achieve. Who Do, I need to become In order to achieve that goal. What character qualities do I need to develop? What skills do I need to learn? What knowledge do I need to acquire? What are the disciplines and habits that somebody in that position has house? That I need to develop in myself. Now ask yourself this question. If I go about developing myself to become that person. So that I can be successful in attaining that goal. Ask yourself this question. If I! Don't obtain the goal was worth it. was elevating myself to the next level was learning. These new skills with gaining this new knowledge was becoming a more capable qualified person is my life better off because I did that. Well the answer if you're going after something that's worthwhile going after. Yes, you are better off. So. Why would you wait? In becoming a more qualified more capable more rounded better, skilled, more knowledgeable person. Why would you ever wait to do that? And what this does. Is it change your mindset from fixed? I have no control. I'm going to die anyway. What's the difference in how the foods cooked into a growth mindset? That says hey. I do have control. I may not can change. The leadership in my organization, but I can change who I am I can change knowledge my skills, my discipline, my character, my integrity, and what? They may never recognize me here, but somebody else will. And in fact, if I continue to grow the that gives me more opportunities ever bad to have better opportunities I. Don't think so so there you go. There's a kind of how the growth mindset. Will help you start taking action now I appreciate what you just said. In my paraphrase, you will be found out for better or worse. You will always be found found out and I. Think we all know that the people we work with the people were around. We know who they are good and bad. We know if we can trust them or not. We know what their characters like. It'll come out with you, too. So if you feel like you're doing as Tom, said and you are. Better bettering yourself. You're doing the right thing. It will be found out and please have please have faith in that. Couple of people who are watching posted on on facebook here as we're talking live Marnie Rivera asked what those books are again and these are ones I'm happy to promote I'M GONNA hold it up for those guys. Watching willpower does not work Benjamin. Hardy Dr Benjamin Hardy I've got I think he sent me ten of those. Pass them out to my family. We talk about it continually. It's such an incredible person, development concept, and then the other one that he just wrote that we just recently did a show on is. Is. This one personality is not permanent and man. What you talked about right? There Tom and just We can't change everything out there, but we can change ourselves. This book will give you freedom to realize you also not stuck in your personality. It is not static you and are not I am what I am and it's a cop out a lot of times, and he really goes to task against some of the perspectives. We have on personality but Jessica. I don't know if you saw this post Jessica, Moore. Who is now one of the Ziglar family and she has a she's I. Don't know if this is a fair. She's a lot of things now. She has a fitness. Play an actual brick and mortar. Business place up and I think it's Delaware and now she's doing personal coaching. She says I work with clients the struggle of setting goals with so many unknowns. Is Quite challenging. What is your advice, so? She's working with people. You know maybe women who are. Different fitness goals, and now of course thinks she's doing I assume some life coaching dealing with yeah as a coach consultant Tommy Man. This is your playground. I mean you have the choose to win coaching program right now. that we've been talking about so much. What's folks? You can find? Ziglar show dot com slash C. T.. W. Isn't choose the win. And you can connect with Tom There on on that, but for those who are coaching and consulting. You're dealing with so many different entities there. This is a human being and none of them are the same. You can't have any cookie cutter advice for everybody It's going to be different for every single person, so if you're the coach consultant helping them set goals with so many unknowns. It is quite challenging so challenging that I'll give the question to you. How's that? So? There's a there's a gentleman His name is story whether? He was an astronaut. And he had I think it was seven PhD's. You can look it out. He went out and he. Was the guy that did the space walk. To repair the Hubble telescope. So remember the Hubble. It goes up. It's a billion dollar project probably more than that and when. They couldn't focus. They couldn't focus the telescope. They had this amazing piece of equipment. That could see you know millions of light years away, but they couldn't focus it. And they'd left out a part, but it was like a two dollar ring. Okay, that's. That's what they forgot. So, his job was to go into space. Go out on the space. Walk and fix it. That was his job now the problem was is they can only give him on his belt like seven tools, and and you know ten or twelve options as to how to fix it. And so they were trying to figure out who do we go I mean? Do we send an electrician up there? Do We send a mechanic? Do We send a? A A rocket scientist. Do We send telescope expert who we send? And as he was telling the story of how he got picked when they interviewed him, and they saw all of his PhD's, and he was already, a pilot and astronaut had all this credibility. They asked him about him growing up and they said tell us about your childhood. And, he said well I grew up on a farm, and he said well. What did you do on the farm and he told them? In so basically the reason he got the job was growing up on a farm. He learned how to fix broken equipment. With Baling Wire and duct tape, macgyver macgyver. He was macgyver. Okay, so here's the thing when somebody says. Wow were in such an uncertain environment. What do we do? The first thing I think about is if I ever get stranded on a desert island I want a boat. Full problem solvers with me. I don't need category experts. I need problem solvers. Okay and so when we get the growth mindset problem solving mindset now we have a strategic advantage because guess what. The environment we now. It ain't fair and everybody's in it. And so a lot of people are paralyzed sitting at home, while I'm just wait until things clear. Whereas problem, solvers are trying to figure out right now. Who Do I need to become? And what problems can I go and solve, so my first mindset is this hey? Because it is an uncertain environment, this is the best time in the world to set some goals. There is no better time than right now. Number two is this. You Go as far as you can see. And then when you get there, you'll be able to see further. That was. That's ZIG. Ziglar quote on goal setting. Hey you know what we set the best goal we can right now we take action on it, and we review it every day and in three weeks we'll be able to see further and we might change our goal. which in cycling we might change our specialty to from mountain for Mountain, climbing to distance, or whatever thing is based on her physical attributes based on what we enjoy more based on our. You know our capacity. But. We gotta start to know where we're going to go. We gotta start in a great segue into I. Want to throw some of these you, Tom. Some of the comments now on the folks who said they're not as much planning. They are more so into figuring it out as they go, so I'm going to read a few here and an end with one that has that's of interest to me. Jeff Bellinger, he says the journey of thousand miles begins with the as you just said Tom the first step, sometimes, taking the leap of faith and improvement as you goes the best effort, just start start from where you are with what you have now. Welcome feedback and improve as you go can't sanders, says I used to be much more of a planner, but now I just try to take action and learn as I go. It's easy to get paralyzed by too much detail and no action Mason Bassett and this is where I wanted to comment on. He says for me. Setting goals creates expectation and unnecessary pressure. Everyday's a new adventure, and with so many variables changing constantly I just go with the flow. If I had the desire to accomplish, something will eventually happen with approach I never let myself down. Art I ended on that last one because I. think that one is dangerous. Tom you mentioned a minute ago, going with the flow and it will eventually happen. With approach I, never let myself down. That is the struggle that we have. When we set the goal out when we put the plans out. If we make ourselves accountable to ourselves or to somebody else, especially, there is absolutely the chance to let ourselves down. That is somewhat what accountability is at and to what I testified to before I do a lot of that commitment, because then I'm forced to act because I don't want to let myself down or I. Don't want to let somebody else down. That is a very real pressure. That I wanted us just to bring up and say that that is a part of it, and you may sure that the what's the number one way to not let yourself or anybody else down is is don't commit anything. That's not a great recipe as well as like. We often talk about if you're gonNA. Put yourself on a pedestal like we all right here on the show and talk about something like this. You're going to get shot at. At, you're going to get criticism the best way not to don't stand up and say anything. Don't stand for anything, so there is that I want to elevate that that. Yeah, we are talking about setting goals making plans having accountability so that we act because we as humans generally need some pressure to act, and that is one of them is leading ourselves or someone down. That is very real and true I. Sure don't WanNa shy away from it. Yeah, so let me give you a ZIG ziglar secret Here it is when when he would come off the stage. And you know, he got standing ovations and the audience thought it was amazing. The. Dad never judged his presentation by the response of the audience. Okay He judged it basically onto things. That, I prepare as much as I could have. And? There's a little Astrakhan there because he judged himself based on how much time he actually had to prepare. Okay. So, he didn't fault himself. If the circumstances didn't allow him to prepare. As much as he would have liked to. But he held himself accountable. To preparing much as he knew he should, if he had the time, okay, so when he walked off the stage, he would say. Did I prepare enough and number two. Did I speak God's truth in love. And that was it and so here's the problem one of the reasons that people don't. Ride out a plan. Is because it does hold yourself accountable. Yeah, right? It is that it is the measuring stick, but here's what I want people to understand when it comes to goal setting, it comes to achieving something. Don't judge your success on the applause of the audience. That's that's wrong. That's results oriented results results-focused. Wait. We don't need to carry. But. We can hold ourselves accountable to is. Did I do everything I could? To. Achieve this and then I do it in the right way that honors that honors God. That's man. That's a higher standard, and it's also realistic and so last week Gosh. Why can't I think of the name of the book? Too many books Kevin, but in this one it talked about having victory mindset, but then I heard the phrase for the first time I hadn't heard of before and all most victorious mindset. Okay. Okay now this is Kinda cool in this kind of goes into the growth mode, and so what? They're saying imaginary. You're a salesperson. You do all the right preparation you go and give a fantastic. Demonstration presentation to the board and you've got a competitive product. The quality's there the pricings in line. Everything's there. But. You don't get it. You don't get it. Were you a failure in that absolutely not. So the question you ask, yourself is wow. I didn't get it. But you know what I almost did, I was almost victorious. In the reason that I know I was is because. I had the right mindset when I went in. I had all the right preparation. We had a great solution. They, just chose someone else. Okay so you see that we're. We're basing our It's it's not. It's a learning experience. And so when you elevate that to growth mindset, what would you do well? What you would say is okay. Did everything I knew to do so I'm giving myself in a I didn't get the business that was out of my control. I controlled everything I could. But I couldn't control that which is okay. And so the growth person within say you know what? I'm calling back and I'm saying hey, can you know if you're able? Can you tell me what it is? That pushed the other. Company the other offer over the edge. Why did you pick them? Sometimes? They'll tell you sometimes they want. Sometimes it comes down to as simple as well. You know the vice president of sales. That's their. That's their son in law. Who Came Ed? So! What are you a failure at that point? Because! They made a decision that had nothing to do with what you just did. And so we don't need to hold ourselves accountable or feel like it's a defeat when we do everything right and we do it in the right way. We do the preparation and it doesn't work out because we can look back and say am I better more qualified more capable for the next opportunity, and if the answer is yes, then guess what you've learned you grew, and you know a few more questions to ask for the next time. I love that Tom. Where yeah again the success I tend to, because I will probably because I'm one of human humankind I. Tend to look at success is the end result and I have had to well hopefully. I've been I've been grateful to. Realize that man that the end result is not always the goal. It's what you said. What I learned and grew along the way towards. That is sometimes better, because yeah, Gosh, you're talking about you. Know Sales and ziglar sales one. Oh, one is what is the absolute goal is to make a sale the take care of the person, and that may not be to sell them your product or service that goes against the grain of the integrity that we're all shooting for, but yeah what we learn and grow on the way it's not always about the end result of the pithy saying right, it's not the destination. It's the journey, but it's just true most. Most of the best pithy sayings are are are so because they're true. Here's one Tony Cooper. She says I used to just pull the trigger and go then develop a plan once I started. There would ultimately be a plan of action in the end now. I actually set goals creative planning. Go for it while setting the goals helps me be more of a success. Sometimes, it can also be a hindrance for me as crazy as it sounds. Planning sometimes brings doubt to my mind and I'm less likely to pull the trigger, even when the plan is good, mainly out of fear of not succeeding I've had to really work on that the past few years. Well as much as I just held up been Hardee's book about personality isn't permanent. I agree with his book and the premise in his book. However, it does give propensities. We all do have some well. We can't always say is a natural propensity natural born. It was ingrained in us when we did. We learn it. Be Environment. I, don't know you're going to call that for yourself I. Don't know that it matters today I Kevin Miller. I have certain propensities and when she's talking about planning that. Sometimes it can feel like a hindrance or feel confining. I am going to submit that. There are some personality aspects, and that I know some people like my accountant in my CPA my bookkeepers. Thank God. They love the details. They loved the plan. They walk it out and they save me boatloads of money I love him That's why I'm not an accountant. I play really tight plans feel feel confining to me. They find these plans as Frene I. I know some people and other aspects of man. The plan and walking it out is so free and to me it generally tends. Tends to feel confining, so I'm not even GonNa put that off on personality type. I'm just GONNA say propensities. Tom And I WANNA. Hold that out that that's that's relevant in its discussion and I love again that as we look at this for those of you who set goals you go forward and strive for something. Do you make a plan and walk it out? Do you figure it out as you go? And that the literal truth it's on facebook. You can go see it on my page is. We got exactly fifty fifty. From our audience because it's, we're not talking right or wrong or white to some degree we we are talking about what works for you. What works for you to set a goal? Commit to it and go out and get it, and if ten of you go, and you did it through the plan, great attentive, you did because you committed to it and you figured it out more along the way. As long as you're reaching that goal so I, I hope people find freedom in that now. If you find that the lack of making the plan does derail, you causes confusions. Will then you need to do that? If you find that making a plan is making, you feel confining. You need to address this. This is a fluid topic I. Guess is my Point Fair Tom. Very Fair, okay. All right well Jennifer here. She says number two, if I don't move and figure it out as I go I never start in the first place. Victoria says I would love to be a plotter at an organizer, but alas. When God says, go off. I go flying by the seat of my pants. Most of the time, however at work I have been taking some time management project management classes, and now I'm about half and half. Hey, as long as they get the job done, right. I think to what I said before I'm agreeing with with Victoria and Tom. We've got a lot here I. do want to summarize here and we've got a lot of people who are out here. Making things happen. That are talking about, and we could come away with this with what are the? Primary highlights. You've outlined him so well of there's benefit and having the planners benefited not being confined by a plan. Ultimately though we're trying to figure out how to manage, I'm GonNa, use that word. I like it Dr propensities. To get us to set a goal. Maybe we should come back to that. That is what we are talking. This is again presupposing that we set a goal. We commit to a goal and we're saying there's not a black and white PERF- perfect cookie cutter plan on how to walk out. The biggest danger that we're speaking to is not setting goals, and we're back to the destination which I think is. Probably the King of the paradigm on without the destination. Were not going to get anywhere already to get to the wrong place, yes. Yes so here's a couple of questions. We can all ask ourselves. You Know Dad said this he said success. Is the maximum is Asian of the abilities that God gave you. Okay so I love that because. Every single one of us is unique and different. We all have our own personality. We have our own traits. Gifts and talents in so success as maximizing what God gave. Okay! So then here's the the question. Is this personally? This is what asked myself. Do, I want to become. The person that God created me to be. Now. That's a big question. Okay because. I've gotta get an alignment. What will God want me to become? And it's Kinda. Cool because he created me, so he knows my traits, my gifts, my talents. He knows where I'm a detailed account type refinement artsy. Let's let's. Party you know, let's just go this way. Okay, so that means that God has has created me in such a way. And he knows that I'm GonNa fulfill my life's purpose in the way He created me. So, so then we go back to the first quote. Success as the maximum maximization of the abilities that God gave me okay. So, what does that mean? It means that whether I am. An account very detail oriented person. There's probably some techniques. Some things that I could use in my life. The don't seem natural. That will help me maximize what God's given me. And if I'm the artists you know, let's let's just do it. Let's have fun in the process. WHO NEEDS A plan? There are probably. Some skills techniques some ideas that don't come natural to me that are going to help me maximize my gift at mitalent. So what does that mean? It means that we all have the ability to adapt. Learn something new take something in doesn't quite seem like natural in yet in maximizes the ability. The Guy gave me. And I think that's where we gotta get realistic. Right? That's where we've got to come in. And so for the people who say hey, I do this or I do that or I do both. The ultimate question to me is. Do I want to become the person God created me to be. And then when that's my driver, and then I get. Pretty excited and pretty serious at the same time, and there's nothing in the scripture that says hey, when you achieve these certain things. Then I'll accept you. You know what that's pretty cool. Right because now based on a result of some action. With that in you, just speaking of God I mean that is. That is a filter that I ultimately strive to come to is at the bottom bottom line, especially for questioning something that may feel riskier. Whatever will this goal help and bless other people, will it? Will it glorify God if I can say Yes to that? Then I have faith in it. The my fear goes down and my faith goes up and. I think it's a relevant a relevant filter for us all to do. Here's a great way to. End this heather land, I just I'm looking at facebook one more time. She just said I love this and so needed this today. This is the podcast we've got an audience. Here I'm happy for everybody to share this like crazy so that lots of people here at it blesses us. We know the message is getting out there. This is a business actually and I'm shameless in that as well, but at the end of the day. I often had that thought Thomas. We're doing these shows and having these topics that you know there's one person out there. Specifically who had an acute need filled it. At just blesses my socks off so heather, thank you and everybody who posted and shared in the comments. That's what makes this show so rich. Tom Always a gift to do this with your brother. Alright thanks to everybody. Thanks for being a part of this our facebook podcast family and thank you. Kevin Miller the greatest host and all the land. Love, you brother. Well there you have it again. Folks fifty fifty on going after your goals and desires with plan or pulling the trigger and figuring it out I hope what you heard. How Bro your confidence in the way that works best for you, but further inspires you to regardless be taking action on your desires. Coming up in episode, eight, Hundred Five. You're not the victim of your biology. How's that for a line? Here's here's a thought. How much do you care about the home you live in? Does it matter a little or a lot? If it's clean and safe with Nice Amenities, can you upgrade it will, of course will likewise every day we wake up to live inside our brain like your home. You have control over the quality and state of your brain, the ability that capacity much more than you have over your outside circumstances, but we don't function from this perspective. We tend to live as if our brains or concrete and hardwired. hardwired. We have what we have and we got what we got well dot, Caroline leave has made it her life's work to debunk. Disprove this and show us how our brain can be. Our servants, said it the other way around Dr Lee was one of the first in her field to study how the brain can change with directed mind input. Neuro. plasticity is how it's commonly referred to with Dr Leaf. She's the best selling author of switch on your brain. It's all about I think over three hundred fifty thousand copies now. The other book think learn and succeed if you talk about some in the show. But. Her top ranked health and wellness. PODCAST is cleaning up the mental mess, and that is just really growing right now. It's such a popular topic. Well in the show, I did with there. We go through what letter into this field? However, faith overlaps with her vocational mission and key aspects of the control. We actually have an can employ regarding our brain till then folks, thank you as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire are true performance together.

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Katie Culp on A League of Their Own

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Katie Culp on A League of Their Own

"Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back to the Bob left sets podcast. That's right. We're back with all new episodes with your favourite musicians, comedians promoters, and behind the scenes people just like my newsletter where I analyse the issues I'm gonna go deep with the guests. So if you want to know what's going on in the entertainment industry, you've gotta tune into the Bob left sets podcast on the iheartradio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast. Welcome to movie crush a production of iheartradio. Hey, everybody. Welcome to movie crush Friday interview dish in Charleston, your Bryant here at Pont city market, the home studio rewind today ahead Katie cope in Kathryn Culp. She is a well. Let me tell you how Katie Katie is a seamstress in an embroiderer and a master dare, I say master patch worker our patch maker, and she I met when I lost my beloved last chance garage at south by south west years ago. I was pretty upset, and my friend Karen freed who has been on the show who works in the wardrobe department said you need to call my friend, Katie she does patches and she can hook you up. I went back to Katie shop a bunch of times, and she basically cranked out like six of these perfectly replicated last-chance garage patches through some combination of talent in wizard. Gary and artistry have no idea, but all I know is I ended up with like five hats, and I never had to worry about my last chance garage out again. And even if I lose off of these ads and go back to Katie and give these patches made she does great work. She works in the film industry, adjacent as she says on this episode making patches and doing embroidery for were drug departments. You've seen her work. If you have seen stuff like baby driver. She has very cool story about that. And you can find Katy at tulip cake embroidery, so go check it out. And like I said if you want something done if you want something specific or long lost or custom like, Katie can truly hook you up. She's very very talented and very very cool lady and her movie pick was a league of their own the great great from film from nineteen Ninety-two directed by. But beloved penny Marshall r I p so sad to lose her. And this movie is great now. This is the right up there with big is one of her probably two best films and such a great movie. Great performances all around from Tom Hanks, Rosie O'Donnell Gena Davis and Lori petty and Madonna who I forgot was in this movie believe it or not. But we had a good chat about it. Katie is awesome. And here we go with Katie Culp on a league of their own. How you doing? How you been? Great. How's the new shop? It's awesome. So I mean, it's right down there by Turner field. So really, I mean that that area's just pop in. It's it's changing. Every day took the moving a baseball stadium to do that. Instead of doing it for twenty years when it was there. Yeah. And in fact, I just this morning. I was at the I went to the invest Atlanta board meeting at the Georgia Pacific building and base at least half of the agenda for the entire day was about what's going on in that neighbor how much money and an attention there. They're really putting towards it. So it's kinda it's kind of nuts. But it kind of gives me that nervous feeling again. Because you remember my old shop the workshop, which was you know, just down the beltline from here. I could walk. It was a ten minute. Walk tuned from positive market from there. But of course, the beltline did happen. And so not no longer in that shop, which was I mean, just a really special place. But but no, I'm in this other shop now, and coincidentally the beltline is kind of creeping over towards there as well. Yeah. I mean, that's good for you. Right. Or does that all of a sudden make renter? So it's. It's it's yeah. It's potentially disastrous. But I think I don't know I'm I'm trying to kind of put myself a head of the curb right now. And and take that as a comes. And you know, it's. It's just it's just a shame that artists spaces are kind of the first thing to go, and it it's a really it's a really nice area. So I don't know, man. I despite that I'd as long as I'm, you know, still still pumping away doing what I really love to do. I think I'll be fine at least. That's what I told myself. But, but yeah, it's a really it's a really awesome shop really awesome area. I've gotten very lucky in terms of location. That's awesome. Yeah. What are you doing stuff for film and TV more more? Yes. So we'll basically so the past four years the embroidery operation I've been doing is semi exclusively cater specifically for the film industry. Yeah. So we work a lot with film and television. Obviously a lot of things are being filmed down here. And a lot of things that I'm kinda surprised they're being filmed down here are and the wardrobe departments and the prop departments consistently need uniform decorating for. You know, anything about anytime, you you watch a movie or TV show or even a commercial. You know, there's very likely either a cop or an EMT doctor some kind of a uniform official that doesn't necessarily have lines. But they're the wardrobe really tells the story of who they are where they are what their position is. So that has been a really that's really why I started the business was because I noticed that need within the film community for that to be done fast turnaround, and by somebody who's really paying attention to the details. So that's what I've been doing. And then along the way we've also picked up, you know, other will do some business business, but the lion share of what we do day in and day out is just for film. Imagine you're the go-to person in Atlanta. Right. I would like to think so. But I mean, there are other more than one of you. There will there's no like I think I'm the only one that is full time specifically dedicated just to that. Of course, there are. Other embroidery businesses and t shirt printing and screen printing operations that have been doing it, but didn't necessarily create their business model specifically for that kind of turn around his I think where I differ and also we just just recently took on digital t-shirt printing as well. So that you know, when when I signed on a an account for costume department. Now, they don't have to go, you know, from eight to be back and forth being like, I need my embroidery done here. And my patches the aid my printing over here. You know, I wanted to make it pretty easy on them. And so I just took out a huge loan and. But but yeah, it's so far so good. It's pretty cool. That's awesome. I don't think people sometimes understand that how far the tendrils of an industry like the film industry reach. So like. I mean, you could consider yourself film professional in a way. I mean, you're also just an independent artists. I say film adjacent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do too because you get a lot of work through them. But like in the case of our state when we get a governor office illegally like we just got who may sign through legislation. Anti LGBTQ legislation that could possibly drive away like a multi billion dollar industry. Eighteen billion dollar industry. Yeah. Because it affects it's not just like, oh, they don't feel movies anymore. Like, they're just hundreds and hundreds of people like you, write that gets all this adjacent work that are affected. Right. I don't think it'll happen. I am. There's just too much money at stake. Son is a Republican and they love money. They certainly do. He's not dumb. I thing. I just I keep getting surprised. It's like I think to myself, you know, like there's that that seems like a win win win. Why would anybody do that? And then, you know, of course, will clearly I know nothing because things kind of surprising me, I thought it was just talk election talk. Yeah. There's just so much money at play. Like, you can't drive away that kind of money your state. Yeah. You just can't do it. Yeah. I mean, you interview film professionals from from around here all the time. And I like like you said the the tendrils the tentacles or, you know, whatever. Kind of attendance you need it. Right. They employ. So so so many people and an I'm really I'm really thankful that I have the the business that I do. I kind of I kind of think about it. Sometimes I just thought like I was like, okay. Here's this industry. What if I just kind of created my own job because I didn't wanna be onset did little bit here, and there costuming, especially that your background. Yeah. I so I kinda got into the film business. And you're gonna know a lot of these names, you know, I I got a got let go from corporate job, which wasn't a great fit for me. It was sure fine. Yeah. I was working for another Atlanta startup called safety. Sure. Yeah. And and it just didn't work out. It wasn't a great fit. I I really like learned during that. This this episode that I'm I I love working with my hands. And and and so, you know, I got let go and I was kinda like, well, I. I guess I got nothing to lose like I can kind of start over if if if I put enough effort into it. And so I was like I wanna I wanna do seem street. I want to be building things I reached out to some friends and was like, hey, guys. I wanna start making puppets. Sure. The next thing. That happens. Of course is that. I am introduced Raymond car. Man. Raymond, raymond. Yeah. And and that's an actually meeting him was was really funny because I met him for the first time in the workshop, which I ended up taking on a lease. They're few years later. And and I'm like, hey, what what got you in puppetry? And by the way, we he had just started building the space, man. So I was like I will work for you for free to help you this thing. I did very I it was so cool, and I did very minor work. But it was really a special to be part of. But anyway, I was like, hey, how'd you get into puppetry and in short? He's like, I come family of a clowns. And I was like that line. I found my people like I was like good good. That's that's ideal. That's exactly who I want to work for. And so I worked for him for a while. And making puppets. And then of course, he would pick up things, you know, where they just need such and such kind of ROY made, you know, contracts for mail chimp or George aquarium. And and so did that and then took on a lease from Julia hill who was the one that was really leasing the property over there from ROY Cooper Smith. I remember that guy. Yeah. A lot of people do. But yield at me a few times onset that is kind of the common story. It's like if you know him you've been yelled by him for those of you listening. Tony Cooper Smith. Was this local? I guess who's our director non commercials and stuff, and he he he yelled at people a lot. And I was lucky enough to suffer his ire on more than one occasion. Yeah. It's a pretty it's a pretty good yell. If you can get it yet. But here's the thing is he would if you came back at them. You were good that weird. Like fifties dad mentality of the sun hits adad back. And then it's like, all okay. Yeah. But I never did. I just wanted to leave. Yeah. I kept up pretty low low profile, but and then so Julia hill who was the the kind of resident tenant over there. You know, conflict a chance on me and let me lease out some space as well. So that I could take on bigger seems for food projects. And then I just kept on. On getting more and more focused and kind of found myself drawn to of digital embroidery is I I love technology. I love seamstress three a love working with art and kind of making something out of nothing really a special process that I really fell in love with. And it's also. Yeah. And so after a while of, you know, doing doing custom work with them and kind of like a broad sense. And then, of course, working for southeast cost him company of Georgia for them. Yeah. Do you care? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly, Raymond introduced me to her. I took a job with them for a few years. And that's also how I met, you know, the majority of the the film context that I made that aren't my immediate friends thing, which are pretty much everybody even interviewed. But but yeah, so worked there, and then eventually when baby driver came in town, they needed so much embroidery that I was like, I kinda gotta quit break. It was. It was a kind of a a, you know. So that was the scale Tipper moment for me where it was like, I have the excuse to do this full-time took the newer saying, Katie not necessarily. It's just like I, but I loved my job at southeast. And and, but you know, if there was ever a time to do it. It seemed like a really good one, and I no regrets. I really like. That's cool. Yeah. It's been really fun. What I like about you, and your type is in sort of just like that filming of we'll figure it out. Yeah. Like with Raymond when especially on stuff, you should know. Like, there's always someone to call everyone. So creative. And so talented. There's always someone you can call that can figure something out when a director producer just says, you know, offhand, oh we need blank. And you know, what happens from there that since a dozen people scurrying in every different direction trying to like you said make something out of nothing, and it always works. It seems like it. Yeah. That's moving like the impossible will happens. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. And it's really it is really fun to to have any small part of that, you know, in terms of just wardrobe decorating, and and you know, sometimes I put a lot of effort into something. And you never see it. Sure. But you know, it's also character development. It's right. People kind of get into that. That vibe of this is who I am a hell. I'm the kind of person that wears this twelve inch patch on the back of my jacket. Never gonna see it on camera kind of thing. You know, if an actor put something like that on like, you said, you know, they have the van Halen patch. I might have to commission one of those. Now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. That's really cool was baby driver sort of. What's been like the thing that you've had to do the most stuff for movie wise, or like kind of you is brought up twice both. Okay. Zinni? Whenever said I need a hundred patches to go on one hundred jumpsuits like next week. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. Baby. That was the thing with baby driver is they, you know, as if I'm sure you're aware, you know, anything that goes on camera kind of have to pass legal and so right when it comes to uniform patches, the costume designer graphic designer and the producers directors and hours, the B, and and legal all have to agree on what is going to be the uniform piece. And so by the time that happens you kind of need it yesterday. Right. So we're confessed. So it's always working fast. And when it came to baby driver, I really liked their city of Atlanta patch, which you can actually see there's a shot of it full screen, which I you know, I was told myself it's never gonna make months grain and something like that does for the fun, and I didn't expect that coming from that patch. But you know, they need hundreds of because it's I mean, obviously, it's a heist movie. There are hundreds of cops, right and security guards and other uniformed officials. Department of Justice. But the kind of the the fun piece for that project. Was you know, when baby goes into underground, Atlanta, any grabs jacket off the rack and throws on. And it's got this. Big ridiculous. Welcome to Atlanta embroidered piece of it. That was me. Hopefully, what happens is no one that listens to this will ever be able to watch a movie again with noticing every single piece of embroidery, exactly emission that stuff matters. And it takes that many people to make something real and come to life. You know? Absolutely. It's such a group effort, you know, love it. Yeah. And and what feedback I've gotten from you know, costumers and supervisors is like that they'll go to traditional embroidery company with this with these needs. And they'll just kind of be like, Hugh are out of your mind. And there's something just about getting and they come to me. And I'm like, yeah. I'm out of my mind. Let's do this. That's awesome. Yeah. Remember going to people that didn't know about the film industry for lots of things in just you lose time just having to explain everything. Right. You know? So they come to someone like you. And it's just like, yeah. What do you? What do you want? Exactly. Yeah. My a big part of my kind of vibe is to to you know, really reassure people that like let me worry about this. Right. You have a lot of other things going on a lot a lot of other things going on to reach this patch making I got this. Right. And now, you know, this is t shirt printing. This is karma, decorating, whatever. Right. So you're expanding into that stuff. Yes. Yeah. And I have I have an employee starting next week. Wow. That is going to be. As it is kind of designed right now going to be the real shirt printer. And and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep pushing going back though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. There's getting employees shares. Yeah. It's kind of spiraled out of control from from from what it initially started with. But a you know, looking back. I'm like totally surprised. And like not all surprised, I think it's great productwise. The thing that we do the most of is I would say police patches. General police batches now movie police patches. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I think that that probably is that takes a really high percentage of what what actually goes on a day-to-day basis the real ones. The who has that contract. I wonder and and I've been looking into what it what it would take to be certified to take on government contracts and things like that. However, I guarantee they're not made. Stateside, it's probably like coming in from China. Interesting which you know, what's wrong with that. No. I know what you mean though. But you're an artist. Yeah. You're not gonna do patches for ten cents. I cannot will not. It's it's it's an impossibility. Yeah. No, that's good. You know, government contracts. It's more fun to work, Abby driver. It is more fun of baby driver and karate kid and that oh. Oh, tons of stuff in that a bit. Okay. So I got a call. It was like the other thing is like when when it comes to my film clients, like if if we have a report, and I have been working together. You know, I will totally answer my phone on a Sunday because they know how it goes. Yeah. That they they really don't have the luxury of being like sorry it she'll get back to me on Monday. Right. And they get you work. And yeah, I mean seriously if you wait twenty minutes, you might miss the boat entirely. But calls me, and it's like this guy. Theo this awesome guy causing. Hey, katie. I'm you know, we're just starting Cobra KAI the new karate kid, which is on YouTube red, I believe and he's like we. Are in kind of a pickle. Nobody will take this job. We need to replicate. Johnny Lawrence's key ten times while and and then he says if I come in meet your shop first thing in the morning. With Johnny's original g. Can you? Do what you gotta do and make replicas of all those patches. And I remember my response. Exactly. But I was just like I will die a thousand deaths before failure with this. And so I said yes and say, yeah, I did I see only answer. Yeah. And and so, you know, next morning are really going to happen. You brings me the key. And it's like here it is. And I, you know, take measurements make note of all the the color choices and the audio data. And then I replicated all of this patches stitch for stitch spared. No detail. I was in like not just camera. Passable? I was like this is going to be perfect perfect. And and not I mean, and I knocked it out in a week, which is pretty it's it's it's actually a surprising amount of work. But sure, but yeah, I take a lot of pleasure from that project. That's awesome. Yeah. Need to check that out. I saw a trailer for it the other day. And it's like man, why am I not watching this need to get into that? Yeah. I haven't watched. I've watched a few seconds of it. And then I didn't anymore. Well, I mean, he certainly saved my NO. You probably thought I was crazy this weird podcast or who has to have this flash chance garage patch. But it was and you know, I I went over to your place of bunch, and you probably thought it was nut so deal. It was no honestly, I didn't. Because it's like, I the thing. I got immediately. It was like, oh my God somebody who actually gives a shit about this as much as I do. Yeah. Like really values it. Yeah. There's really no you can't you can't buy that kind of you know, client. It's I was just like knocked out. I mean, Karen, I think everyone's heard the story. But you know, I lost my my last chance garage had an Austin Texas south by then was devastated. And I know just ahead. And I was starting. I was touched. Oh, starting to wrap my head around the fact that it was gone forever. But you know, it was not like that that became. I'm a part of my Dimity because of stuff, you should know. Sure. I wore it a lot. But it wasn't like my private life. It wasn't like this is my hat. It became part of the brand. And that was a big deal. Yeah. People are used to see in me in it. And then it went away, and it was really sad. And Karen, freed said, oh, no, no, no. You just need to get in touch with Katy Culp was this person. She was like, okay. You know? Karen his. Yeah. Katie she's she can totally do this like inner sleep. He's like all right. But it's gotta look exactly like it. You know, and she was like just give her a call. Yeah. Insure enough in. I mean it was perfect now got like six of those hats. Yeah. I take a take a lot of pride in that. And also I've seen Karen free like three times this week so far really. Yeah. I do work with her a good fit. And and as well, you know, it's it's a it's a treasure to be her friend actually myself. Mallory Coleman, Karen, free, Genero Zine hall stuff. You. No people we all had dinner this last weekend. Yeah. Janine she does costumes. She also Hermano her her most recent gig. So her first gig was on stuff, you should know. Just probably do know. Yeah. You do. But recently her she's an aging and dying and by one of my favorite things. This is actually one of my favorite jobs that I've ever heard of is. She recently was the up until what she's working on. Now was the ager Dyer for Walking Dead between two people. That is because that's ounce. Yeah. Very copying. Yeah. Yeah. So aging and dying is is a position in the wardrobe department where somebody takes the clothing, and you know, you can't just take something off the rack and throw it on Rick. He's going to. Yes. Lived in and bled on brain dawn. And so that was as whole shtick for. I know I'm like that is one of the coolest job I've ever heard of real like skill and art form to do it. Right. Yeah. And she's doing it for another project right now. Who's title escapes me interesting? So that's all she does aging and dying. I'm sure I mean, I'm sure there's other things that go with the job. But it's uneasy get her in here then. Yeah, I think people should hear about that process. -solutely in-depth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think I think it's an incredibly interesting. I love of course, she's somebody that I, you know, we we actually her and Mallory, and I all went to the same high school. Really? Yeah. All right. That was my next question. Yeah. Mallory and I met in seventh grade and Mr. Kirk science, I'm not kidding adorable. Oh, man. I love that. I know. Yeah. It kind of insta- friends or we were we were instant acquaintances. Like, we never had anything wrong with each other. I think I went to one of her birthday party. And her family dog when it was really young. And but really we. Kind. You know, we were good acquaintances, and it really took until like late college for us to be calm bonded on figuring out who you are. You know, accents. And oddly enough. It was it was right around that time when she had those allergy episodes and so right. I was totally there for the mustard. The mustard mustard gate, man. That's yeah. Yeah. It was story. It was bad. But hey, we got to keep Mallory. Yeah. Exactly in Finland right now for all. We know exactly gray. That was a really enjoyed talking to park with her. That was fun. She's the best. I I really enjoyed listening to that. Because like I mean, her will working in film and me being an entrepreneur. It's like really never see each other. Right. And so it was like a treat. I was like oh, hell, yeah. This episode is two and a half hours long. I just get to listen to Mallory talk for a while. Love it. It's so much fun. So were you like have you always been into movies and stuff even growing up? I was growing up. I was more of an outdoor kid. I was a softball kid. And then I became a voice I loved singing choral singing that doing. Yeah. I can show choir. Yeah. She's all about it. Yeah. Yeah. Does she watch the pitch perfect stuff? 'cause I totally love that stuff. No, surprisingly. Yeah. It's interesting. She doesn't she loves musicals. Yeah. I'm a big fan of group singing she had genital. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like I mean, I I'm starting to get chill bumps thinking about like when you get those vocal harmonies layered on each other. Or there's nothing more powerful than seeing like a hundred people seeing it once it's just really something else. This is kinda like kind of diving off the deep end. But it's like my I'm extremely passionate about getting group. Singing back in my life. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, I grew up doing all state choir all the choirs. I did everything I could in church choir. Yeah. Yeah. Which I'm a, you know. You reform reform. I'm over formed person now. But I mean, but that's part of it. I remember being at an all state choir thing, and then the conductor through little fit and as they do. And and he was like you stupid kids don't realize that. When you grow up, you're not going to be able to do this anymore. There's no more group singing and in my heart. I was like, you know, what does this guy know about me? I'm a Christian. So we'll always thing and. And that's true. Go to church. Go to get to sing. And that was my favorite part. But but yeah, no. So turns out I grow up. I was like oh crap. Like, I really miss this in my life. But what I did was I organized a few people, and we did the sink called singing club where I had. It was myself, this friend and for named. Jared and Jane who was a pianist, and we would come up with a theme, and then create a playlist around that theme. And then it was at the workshop at a Tony's job. Really? Yeah. And if you remember it's kind of shaped like a basilica and had the sure. They painted over. It's gone, but they had that big stained glass, you know, situation going on at the at the back end. And so I set it up kind of like a church, and then had to rolling white walls and projected the lyrics on John Jane played the piano, and you know, it was it was great. We did things themes were betrayal was the first one, and you know, just invite people in and it would, you know, no solos, no all like kind of top fortyish hits where you could just saying and oh, yeah. Anyway, suffice to say I was watching a lot of movies when I was younger, I was really really focused on this kind of stuff. But it's something that I'd like to see happen again. And also we did four or five of these events. They were great I, yeah, I'd love to do that again with money, right? Well, that's the thing about coral stuff is that it's pretty lo fi, you know, you people that can sing together. And you don't need. I mean, I guess a piano players ice. But you can always do the Capella thing to exactly yeah. It was super fun. The second episode was rain, and we of course, saying purple rain man, and then prince died that night. It was sad. Wow. Yeah. What you kill prints. I don't know. I don't know, man. But it made it more special the next the next day being, you know, thinking about it. I'm glad that we chose. We had an opportunity have the space in the moment in time to be able to pull something like this off. And and I think that. It kind of validated for me that it's worth doing. It's totally worth doing. Yeah. I've been going down a rabbit hole lately with listening to while. There's this show called classic albums was a BBC documentary series where they take like an album from group and just going to break down the making of that record. But invariably in each episode. They will they will be in the studio and they will isolate like different parts of the track. But they'll isolate like backing vocals and stuff, and it's just so cool to hear. Yeah. You should watch the if you're into Elton John goodbye elbrick road episode. It's I always just assumed 'cause they're so many backing vocals that are so great. It was just like, yeah, he hired like eight, ladies and like four dudes, but it's the three guys in his backing band that did every single backing track on that album, and they just sound like amazing together. And they would layer it on top of each other. And it's still one of my favorite things 'cause I love to sing. Oh, yeah. I always going to ask you. You are a musician. Right. Don't you have a damn band? Yeah. Lead singer there and play rhythm guitar, but I think choir and like, Emily nice are constantly singing the house, and like we sound harmonize really well together jealous that we can just lock into that that thing, and my brother, and I he's a better than I am I think siblings sort of had that cool genetic ability to lock in cool. So it's always a lot of fun. More singing more singing. I agree. 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I I have nothing I have nothing but love for this movie. I I don't even know where to start early. It's it's well nine hundred ninety two. Place. It had a bit of an eighties aesthetic still in the beginning. Like with the book and stuff, it's still kind of felt eighties. But well, I was it was set in nineteen eighty eight when it started. Okay. Yeah. 'cause Dottie Hinson is you know in. Opens you know to her bedroom and her daughters trying to convince her to go, right, right? And so it's nineteen eighty eight. And that's when the you know, all American girls professional baseball league was doing their Lido and the follow the hall of fame opening. And so so, yeah, I mean it was late eighties but go eighties. Nonetheless, man, I didn't realize until I read today that they're the woman who played Dadi the woman who played a kit as older ladies there. They actually dubbed voices because it was sort of uncanny. I was watching it. And I was like man, she's really giving me a Gena Davis vibe. Yeah. And she looks enough. Like, you're like what what's going on here? Yeah. And when I was a kid, I I was certain that it was it was aging makeup. And I don't I don't know that anybody's that good. So yes, so but now is an adult. I know that they dubbed the voices, which will all the casting for the older parts were was great like everybody. I mean what? Get the end can't even talk about it now because I can't cry the soon in an episode. But of course, Jon lovitz and David straighten who I love David strengthen, and it was interesting in this movie to see him sort of a kind of a bad guy at first to a certain degree. Although he comes around at the end wants to save the league. Yeah. But he sort of the heavy, you know, like you got to wear the skirts. You gotta. Yeah. You know, he was the taskmaster. I guess my favorite line when he's trying to explain that. He's like right now, they're thirty some odd. Women getting a train ticket home. It would play in a bathing suit. If I asked them to you guy. But you're right. You know, he totally has his he is redeemed in the end. Yeah. And it's an interesting thing here because it is an empowering film for women to be sure, but it also didn't shy away from the fact that you know, in that time period, they might have been asked to share where bathing. Suit. Yeah, they were sort of selling the sexuality of it here and there and buying into a little bit because they wanted to sell tickets as well. But I don't feel like they like fully sold out. You know, that's a collective have. You watched the documentary? No, I want to it's on Amazon prime is it. Yeah. Okay. And it's like thirty minutes. But it's it's really, you know, watching that as an adult having watched leave their own a million times as a kid it it. It's almost like. Wow. That's it's it's all kind of two perfect. But they they really was it pretty close to the real stuff. It's there are elements here and there like there's there's a sister combo where you know, you know, say they wanted one and the, you know, they kinda came as a package deal, right right thing movie. The you get to meet the the the writers of the victory song. And and really the documentary is what inspired a penny Marshall to make a league of their own. Really? Yeah. And and so. So she takes that on and. The uniforms are obviously the one of the best parts of the entire movie. And one of the things that the in the documentary, one of the players said, she was like, you know, we didn't really care for them so much back, then they were wool they were silk, and you know, felt a little ridiculous. However, looking back on it, it kinda elevated the game in certain sense, and you know, made it more of an iconic experience. So and the uniforms the costumes for the movie, I mean, it's dead on a great and. Yeah, I mean during this. Yeah. Well, I also saw to that. Apparently the bruise on what security name which. Yeah. Alice was ill. Yeah. Can you believe that shit? I can totally believe that man. It was so gnarly looking to the point where you're like, you kind of overdid it, right? Make up department back off a little bit. Yeah. But that was real that's crazy. And and again in the documentary, like when I found so entertaining is, you know, they had of course, a, you know, one minute segment about all the injuries and how they keep playing. But but what I loved so much as they kind of in that moment with with Alice. They recreated a real shot. Kind of like in back leg crossover people are kind of like helping her out with her whole strawberry situation. Yeah. So that that kind of stuff about the movie in the documentary fund, really satisfying. Absolutely. But yeah, especially felt it was important. Because that's of course, what gave penny Marshall the the inclination to do this. And really until that I mean, I was. Came out ninety two. So I was I haven't done this math yet. Like six when it came out. So I probably thought somewhere between six and ten for the first time junior in college. Feel old. I know. But like did you see when you were at six? I I was probably closer to ten. Okay. So like VHS run. Yeah. We totally we owned the VHS wore that out. I'm sure and and really up until that point and come mostly stay still. I'd never really seen an all female cast, or at least, you know. What's the Bechtel? Yes. Test on you know, to having a movie with two or more women's became to each other or two more women who even have names right is kind of such a rarity and to have this depressing. It isn't it? I I really liked the trend of what's going on in in in terms of in in terms of kind of leveling out that representation for sure. But when I was a kid seeing this movie, it's like, I'd never found something I found more relatable because I'm seeing you. Older versions of me up there, and I did play softball. And in fact, I did play my older sister Kelly, and I we both played boys baseball. Oh, well because softball, you know, had kind of a longer off season. And my dad didn't have any sons, and it's it was more competitive and Kelly was an excellent Kelly. Totally the Dottie Hinson of the family. I'm like like the kit except for I never I never got a Homer like ever, so. But anyway, so I've just found it I found movie so relatable for so many reasons and just really latched onto. I mean ahead of its time for sure, but also hard to believe that took that long to make the story because his history wise is such a great story. And you know, it's got it all it's a World War Two movie in some ways. And it's interesting because that sort of. Like, you kind of forget about it. Because it doesn't do the like whole letters from home thing a lot or show the husband's at all that one just devastating seeing though God which is penny Marshall's daughter, right? I didn't know that. Yeah. That's what's her first name, Tracy Reiner. That was her daughter with rob Reiner that scene was so infuriating last night to me because you know, they get the letter that says like one of your husband's been killed in action and that shit had delivery guy wants to leave with business. And so do does the right thing. Yeah. But then he takes a long and Mike. God just say. Yeah. That long wall out. He must be pretty bad at reading. But I mean, I get it. It's a movie. Yeah. Really heighten the drama, but such a devastating scene. Yeah. Yeah. Truly, and you kind of forget that that's going on in the backdrop to some degree. A lot of these women are have been left, alone and aren't great contact. Because Gena Davis one point is like, I think he's in Italy. But I haven't heard a while and he has to reassure her like, he's okay. Yeah. And then, of course, the Betty's spaghetti situation happens, and you know, we we don't see her again. But the next scene is Gena Davis. Just kind of having a full breakdown. Like, we haven't really seen her anyone have like other than of course, Betty for good reason. But then of course, enters just perfect timing enters Bill Pullman, no people like Bill Pullman when I saw him. And dude, I forgot that Madonna was in this movie. Yeah. Somehow forgot. Yeah. And when she popped up I was like holy shit. I forgot Madonna was in this isn't she great. She is. And you know, she's never been accused of being the best actor, but she does a really good job in this. Yeah. I really guy. I have. No, no, no, criticisms of Madonna's Donald performance team combo with her and Rosie o'donald. What a riot. It was pretty fun. Yeah. That was really fun. And I saw some kind of like promo footage of when they were kind of like, you know, film when they were filming like the big stadium scenes in the need to fill seats. They would have like the weather station would come down and be like everybody come out to the stadium. Bring your kids, and like, you know, it's free Madonna's hair. But but what I one of the funny things that they did was Madonna wouldn't speak to any any will Madonna, of course, has been accused many times. And and certainly from this filming experience. She's she's not always the locals favourite read about that. Yeah. Disappointed to hear that. Which honestly Madonna? Here's my perspective. Uh-huh. It's Madonna, right. Like and. Yeah. So this weather reporters like oh, come on Madonna's singing songs the song. And she's like duck behind Rosie O'Donnell deliver. She's like delivering her lines to Rosen got this kind of bit going on with the weather guy. But of course, he he of course, was like oh just once for your upcoming album. Donna shut the fuck up outta here on it's not gonna sing on your. Yeah. You are not going like, this is not about you, man. But I totally agree. I know the the Madonna Rosie O'Donnell thing was awesome. There were a lot of fun to watch what she's Madonna's taxi dancer, or may all the way a taxi dance, you know, in a ballplayer, and then Doris, of course, was the bouncer from the club that she used. Yeah. Which is anything funner than the dancing scene. God, dude. I have in here. Dancing scene with all caps. Yeah. It was great. Where what what little town? Did they find all of these agile or? Or or do we just get lazy or with that was the most probably the most unbelievable part of the entire movie. But also throwback to the great like sort of World War Two jitterbug, eat dancy quences. It was great. And the dude in there too. I'm sure 'cause you're a lot younger than I am than you probably didn't watch Libanan, Shirley, I didn't. But I'm aware. But the guy a night her main dance partner was in Laverne, and Shirley, he was the big Ragu who was very prominent cast member. So I didn't realize that until last night either. There are a lot of people kind of peppered through this like squeaky from runnin Shirley was the radio broadcast booth announcer. And then the big Ragu was in it. And then some of the other faces like tea Leoni was in it. And she was on one of the other teams and she popped up again. That's t- Leoni. And she didn't even. I don't even know if she got a I mean church credit, but she didn't have a line. Yeah. An an Kusak. Joan kusak. Sister that scene so sad when she couldn't read. Yeah. And they like took care of each other. That was like one of the best parts of the movie, I think, and then they did like I love that they touch on kind of like, they don't really spend a whole lot of time kinda harping on kind of the systematic problems that were kinda like going on back, then which I mean that could be an entire movie of itself is the same story. But from the perspective of a woman who can't read or any woman of color. These are these are also stories, but leave their own really kind of touched on on these things, and I and in the case of of Shirley's reading a man the scene so tough. But they then there's the scene on the bus later we Don and teaching her how to read. Like like. Mobile money magazine. Yeah. 'cause lowly getting her to to read what is, you know, some pretty racy material, and my favorite part is when they kind of pan the camera out and then Madonna's like it gets really good after. They did take care of each other though. But didn't make a big deal about it. Like, it was just sort of very believable. I think and I think it would have suffered. If they would've liked kind of drawn too much attention to it. It was like sort of these quiet moments where an Ramsey from mad about you can't remember her character name. But she's the one that steps up and helps her find her name on the roster in assisted nice little moment. You know? But it wasn't. You know, the strings didn't swell. It wasn't some big deal. It was just like these ladies at each other's backs. That's how do it. I know. I I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan fan of ladies fan. Yeah. Back. Yeah. I have recently had the experience of of of actually being you know, it's hard to be able to be on any kind of team when you're an entrepreneur. But I was able to be linked up with the women's entrepreneurship initiative with cool. The it's the only city funded or city affiliated. Shiv in the nation dedicated to putting women in a cohort together. And I have you know, it's it's like being on a team right for the first time as an adult but having it's fifteen entrepreneurs fifteen months, and oh, yeah. We get to share a spy. Well, I of course, have to run my machinery that another location. But there's a space within the flat iron building where you know, we can all convene, and, you know, act as a team, even though we're all separate things. And it's just something like I'd like, I don't I don't know what men do in their fancy men meetings and their fancy men's sports. But like, but I just I don't know that I don't know that I've ever witnessed that kind of helping each other outta tude. Right. That I mean, I don't yet. I mean, I guess quote me on it or whatever. But I don't have any stats to show that but the. Rich white guys take care of each other by literally passing laws to ensure that stay rich white guys trail. It's a collective like. Oh, well, don't worry. Now. You're in the club can because we can do the legislation to ensure it can't decide if I do or don't want to be a part of a secret society in my life. Can't decide. Well, you know, my wife is a small business owner. Yeah. Right. Yeah. An employee's, you know, like probably seventeen or eighteen women, and you know, it's it's tough to have a bunch of employee's. Yeah. But I mean, ladies ladies. Yeah. Nothing like it. I dearly. We can talk about the ins and outs of business after this. Another thing. I really appreciate about this movie. I am kind of a sucker for a good sports movie. And but the the F lettuce schism has got to work. Yeah. Or else you don't buy it. And there's you know, one of my other favorite baseball movies is bull Durham, and that movie works in spite of the fact that Tim Robbins doesn't to me. I love him that movie, but he's a self that. He's a baseball pitcher. And I was able to overlook it. But everyone in this movie really sells the baseball. Yeah. Like that tryout seen? That's just fucking great. I get I got goosebumps. Every time they walk. You know, Jon lovitz, Ernie cappuccino is walking a Marla kitten. Dadi I go in and to the the tryout before that everything's kind of like kind of a a brownish tone, husky. Traveling Oregon kind of thing. And then you you walk out into the you're kind of walking out with them onto this field. That is just green green is the biggest field and they're all Olsen. They're all these women there that have been that are doing local what you've been doing the whole time. And yeah, I just I love the tryout seen. He was funny too. Because he was just like go then flies heaven. But yeah, he's ridiculous. And I can't imagine anybody else playing that role. I read that Danny devito was like, oh, yeah. I could see it actually now that you mention it that would have been funny, but great and that partly and penny Marshall wouldn't auction. Anyone who couldn't play? That's what I heard except for Gina Davis. Gina davis. Only non-player Quinn's team replace Debra winger. Right. That's what I read is. Debra winger was cast and the timing didn't work out. Right. So Gina Davis had like a couple of weeks to learn what everyone else had been sort of training for months doing. Yeah. And we'll talk about Gena Davis. Okay. Like, yeah. The best. She's I don't know if you know, Jesse thorn the show bullseye. He's another podcast her. But he has an interview show called bullseye in he interviewed Gena Davis. And he was like, I don't I know people in his office. And they're like, I don't know if anyone and they've had just legends from all walks of politics music, movies, film, TV, and they said, I don't know if anyone had ever been like offices more amped up then when Gina fucking Davis came in. And I was like, dude, I gotta know. And he was like she was the best and she held court with everyone in the office. And then everyone was like she's like the coolest aunt that. We always we had like everyone in the world. Has a crush on Gena Davis. Yeah. She's got that perfect. Like one hundred five degrees. Jaw linus? And like, I mean, I don't she's like eleven feet tall. I know. And she's just so funny. I think she's totally underrated as an actor and as a comedian. There's so many lines. She kills one have of Highland. So my favorite lines one is when she does the math. He said there are this many teams in this many women sixty four women's sixty four girls. Yeah. What are you a genius? Yeah. And then the other great line. You know, something you're not nice. Yeah. That was just such a funny line. Yeah. You're not nice. Yeah. And of course, she taught me the word constipated when she's talking about, you know, the Walter Walter heart. You know, all Harvey, you know, the candy. Yeah. Harvey bars, we feed them to the cows on the constipated. Like, what does that mean? Now, I know, but that's interesting to love that they kind of made their own candy conglomerate, and you know, to replace the Philip real Wrigley element of the real story who it was so yeah. Philip Wrigley chewing gum empire that from the chew gum empire. You know in effect. Sponsored the whole American girls professional baseball league back in the forties. So yeah. Walter RV. The Philip k Wrigley by Gary Marshall, played by Gary Marshall. Yeah. Keep it in the family. I love the scene and the gym when they introduce. Marla when she's just roping those baseballs all over the place, and it's a really sweet team with her dad. You know, she's getting picked on all the time because we're looks. And it's just you know, and I know she has the nerve the nerve which take on general on her for her look totally thought that same thing. I was like, dude. Are you kidding me? Yeah. But it's the character, of course, which you know, you wanna kinda hate that guy little bit. Yeah. But you love, and he gets his redemption in the end, you know, even was a I think it was Marlins character in in the eighties kind of flash forward slash four. You know, she's like Ernie. You changed my life. Like, they kind of moment where it's all good. Well, she got married. She got married to Nelson, which you know, I don't know what you will about the the validation from a man being what Marlin needed, but it was a movie from nineteen ninety two. And they really didn't. They really didn't hit the romantic comedy angle. I read that Columbia wanted it to be kind of a a romance between Dugan and body. I was back and forth with that watching last night because you can't help. But think about it a little bit. Yeah. Because you're chemistry is so sweet. And they're really great with each other. But in the end, I was like now. Yeah. Like, it's better this way. What it would totally what she's gonna leave Bill Pullman. Are you kidding me? Like, no. Plus he respects he respected her as baseball player. And that was sort of the crux of the relationship. Yes. Spot on. Yeah. They definitely have kind of flirty thing going on like, especially in the end. She reads it reappears out of nowhere. And you know, he's. Yeah. I need like, whoa. And then she's like you look like shit. Ever shave like, well, she gives it to him. Yeah. That was interesting to me too. Because they the way the power dynamic is shifting back and forth in that scene because she shows up and then he kinda pulls a power move. He's like, oh, well who says you're playing. Yeah. And then she's like, oh like kind of basically like, well, I can just leave. And he's like well. Well, well, then she pulls the power move. But the fact is that he needs her. She needs him. Yeah. And I mean, there's just like there is like kind of a a real arc to their whole power dynamic in general. Yeah. Like, I think one of my favorite moments in the whole movie is when they're kind of fighting about giving the the batting signals grew Marla. It's one of the classic scenes. Yeah. But also, my other favorite part about it is the music Hans them are. He he's always great. He super great. And then as well, he really kinda signs everybody something I've really says an adult. He's kinda signs everybody their own little. Kind of section of music. Of course, there's word for that. I'm sure, but you know, Tom Hanks's kind of Trump bony and Gena Davis is character is like doodoo, and then the back and forth between them is is also kind of musical back and forth to which is really fun. Yeah. That's literally jumping back and forth from so many iconic moments from this movie. I mean, there's no crying in baseball is. Yeah, it was voted like, I think one of the top fifty lines and any movie of all time that deliver his cell funny. Yeah. There's cry. She's crying, sir. Well, then the buyer gets on them, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I the game. But but for but not not for not for yelling teammate mind. You he gets. He gets thrown out of the game for calling the unpire a penis with a little hat on. Sort of almost under his breath. Anyone retire? You look like a little penis with the hat on. Another favorite line from Rosie when she has a picture of her boyfriend. And I think she says that your boyfriend she is like is it out of focus. No, that's how he looks like. Yeah. Well, he's stupid. And he treats me bad. So it's pretty great. Well, she gets rid of him that right? She does so long, Charlie. The team coming together. Montage is I'm a big sports montage guys. Well. And I think that's right up there with like the rocky training montage as far as one of the greats. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's so many good action montages and the movie, and again, that's really where the the score kind of plays a pretty heavy role for me, and you know, kind of back and forth with these themes kits. Kind of a trumpet sound. Yeah. Like. I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and just like sounded all out. But I think people might want to hear that. But yeah, it's they do such a good job. It's it's all action. You can really tell that. They're actually, you know out there throwing their weight around and in the common. It's like conic split for the cover of time magazine. Right. Dotting youth ner using her head. I know it is funny because like this auto saying they did decide to like so that a little bit. But they didn't you know, Madonna at one point. It's like, you know, maybe like my bresca just spill out. And everyone's like, no too Stupar. Yeah. No, the reaction shot from from everybody else's pretty funny for me, the girl like no to no. I read to that initially the that Madonna, and Rosie were both supposed to be sort of all the way may types. But then the cast Rosie O'Donnell side to play one off the other which I think worked out really. Well, I agree. Yeah. I love. I love that dynamic. And it was kinda it was a good time for Rosie to me. She had the Rosie O'Donnell show. Yeah. I don't I don't remember anything about once. Really? I love that show. Like, that's the show. I would watch when I got home from school the freaking Rosie o'donald shit. I was living in. Friend had it took. It was like. Yeah. Sure. Why not? Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. She's she's cool. You get the great relationship arc and care to arc with kit to have typed in here. Pour kit. Poor cat. Yeah. Like that the younger sibling, and like you said, Gena Davis is eleven feet tall and just so striking. She's the better athlete and not in real life. Obviously, you can tell Lori petty quite an athlete, but it really like the way they handle their relationship like they're so competitive. Yeah. And it's it's not at all unreal. Like an in. It's over the top. They're not like at each other's throats. Like, there's highs. There's lows kit calls her a bitch, which is cool. Yeah. But and she also Gena Davis Love at the end when they're. On opposite sides. She goes to the mound in that could have been the moment where she tells her to like groover pitched on the middle. So her sister can hit one she's like now she can't hit the high one like, but also they've been on the same team for the whole season. Previous to that truth. Think that what is Ellen sue got Lander? She wouldn't notice. Well, yeah, you got to check that at the door a little bit. And then. Yeah. And then also kit kit has this kind of like kind of wonky stance when she's at the bat, she's up there swinging it around really kinda got a weird angle going and. And so so, yeah, I mean really leads up to the kind of that point that she's. Not really equipped to be the all-star here. Then of course, in in the ends as we know. Yeah. The feel like there could have been a few as this that World Series could have ended satisfying, even and it was interesting that that it all came down to the sisters and to Gena Davis drop it on purpose. Right. Did she did chain? That's the question. Right. You can't really tell from the shot. Yeah. But she such a competitor. Pretty it was a pretty dramatic drop. The it was like it was like the Snow White. Apple who it was. It was. And and so I question that myself, what do you think? I kinda think she did really have one. I don't know. It's I I still don't I I'm not confident in that answer. Like, of course, growing up. I always believe Yano Kissling knocked her over it was like pure muscle. She just I mean, which you saw the way she was running leaving just clouds of dirt behind us really dig end. She wanted it. And and so that, you know, having that kind of momentum. I think. Yeah. Could've done it. But the the I don't know I think it's just the the drama of the dropping the ball that kind of makes me think number, but it's just such a great sports movie moment for come down to those two. Yeah. In the end, and then and then there's shot of of Dadi and Jimmy Dugan. You know, kind of watching this all kind of erupt, you know, the the crowd is after afterwards, and neither of them looked terribly disappoint. -ted, but it, but that that to me kinda says it it might have been sincere because they looked sincerely satisfied like they did their job. Yeah. You know, they made the league success. And that was sort of the you wanna win the games. But like the there was a bigger mission. I think which was to put themselves on the map. Yeah. And to make the league hit, and they did they sure did, you know, it was it was pretty cool. I love how cranky Tom Hanks was was still well just that whole Stillwell thing. So great. Oh, how Mattie was until he finally just hits him in the face with the ball. And then he's gleeful about. Glove. I was a glove club, Adam. But you can't do that to a kid in movies. They get mad. There's a couple of things that I don't think would fly like may poisoning of chaperones dinner Oeser would fly anymore. Yeah. My other the only other plot whole question. I have is did they just the bus driver? Did they just leave him on the side of the road? Oh, yeah. Well, he stopped the way. Look a big baby. He did any also threw dirt and the chaperones face which is. Oh, really? Yeah. She's like, please. Don't leave us like come back, and he bends down picks up thing dirt rose up like right in her mouth. Oh my God. So I so I've been taking a note when that happened. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was too much. And then, of course, Tom way top Tom waits. Tom Hanks wakes up from his bender. And decides to Tom waits in that role. Pretty awesome. Wow. Just picturing that now the great fun. I like that. But where you're saying Tom Hanks wakes up, and you know from his bender and like everybody get back on the bus driving. Now, not a great idea. But Tom Hanks's sort of playing against type two for the time. He's always the ultimate nice guy and to play sort of the washed drunk who doesn't care. Of course. You know, he's going to care. And that's I mean in the beginning. He makes it perfectly clear how incompetent he's willing to be like, which you know, you only get I think the only other coach you really see from Racine, and you don't really get that vibe from him. Right. But I can't imagine that. Many people like didn't get into it. With like a great amount of skepticism. Sure. So it was it was nice to kind of to to see that whole thing from beginning to end to how much he cared. Yeah. It's cool. I you can as a writer myself, you can always just chart out this plot points, and it's right at that thirty minute Mark in our Mark racy, his big changes kind of coming sonny's paying attention a little bit. And again, I think it was nice and subtle. It wasn't like some could have been way more melodramatic. I think in parts, but penny Marshall it's just so skilled, I think it being real. Yeah. She there's a lot of good subtlety in there. Like, you know, I read that the studio also wanted to Dadi save Dugan from his drinking, right and she gives them the soda instead. She was like she'll give him a soda, but they made like a really good seeing out of that where you needed very, very quenched, Tom. You know, Tom Hanks. It was funny. It's funny. And then that's done, and you get the impression that. Okay, cool. That was that was a moment. Everybody's everybody's learning lessons. Totally more another one of my favorite moments in one of the great lines of the movie at think is when. Dugan Dadi are talking at the end. And she's just sort of like, you know, like, I can lead baseball, you know, that whole thing. And he has that great line. The hard is what makes it great. Yeah. It's just like those that's like sage wisdom for life. You know? And he knew that she was full of shit. She loved it. She did. Yeah. It is. It is Bill Pullman. But you know. Yeah. I I wonder what that's all about like really with that character. Because it's like, there's there's certainly it must've been such an interesting time to be a woman because you know, there are all these cultural expectations of you ever. Things have changed. You know, most women are wearing a uniform in the early forties right of some sort of. And so, you know, there's something to be said about wanting to be liquid. You know, what like my husband's alive? Like, we're good. We're gonna redo the good old American thing. But I-, arguably if we're up to me, I would have been you know, on kit side and be like now, this is the American thing. I do this. I'm gonna I'm gonna do something different. And and try this thing we have this moment in time. I'm going to do it. So, you know, they're probably both good choices. You never do. See dotty pick up a when she gets back on the road. With her friends. But she does that baseball great moment to so bad us. I know David straighten has great. I mean, the one thing I will not get a little bit as his transformation was pretty fast. Yeah. There may have been some sometimes I get a sense of deleted scenes, but his character shifts pretty quickly, but in the right for sure, but he has a great moment where he's talking to the to Gary Marshall, you know, the the Harvey, and he's like, you know, we tell them to go to work and to go the factories and hit the baseball field and lead the kitchen, but when their husbands come back, we're tone get back in the kitchen in like that's not right. Yeah. He's like you've got a real thing here looking around. And then, of course, Walter Harvey is like you want the men returning from war back to the kitchen. Can we have both exactly why do we have to have one or the other? Why's that? Why's that a thing? Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff, though. Well, I guess we should talk. A little bit about the end, Mike, Mike God, I was a mess last night. Really? Tell me more, dude. I'm a I'm a notorious Cryer. Yeah. Yeah. I cry. Both the times I watch this. Yeah. I'm a notorious Cryer doesn't take much for me very emotional, dude. And you're dead inside. If you watched the end of that movie, and aren't at least welling up, even if you're a stone cold non Cryer, you've got to be welling up at the end of that movie with the reunion. Just unbelievable. Yeah. And and also like walking through the hall of fame and kind of getting an update on who who made it who didn't, you know, of course, Dadi in, you know, fines dougans kinda cut out. Ball thing and tell by the inscription at past like the year before pretty close. It's like, oh that's a shame. I bet she would have really liked to see him again. Yeah. That was nice the way they did that make. And then Shirley was doctor. You know, she couldn't read Nashes. It was just such a great moment. And so believable and real in like, I know they peppered in some the real women from the league and some of the stuff. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. I am. I always try to try to pick them out whenever I'm watching on. Then of course, they the the kind of final moment between a dotty and kit happens his Ellen. Sue is. So she and Evelyn are portraying these two players from from real life pepper pair, and Donna I can't remember the other one's name. But they're the they're the two players who played for the rock. Peaches, and they did write that victory song. Really? Yeah. It's a real song. Yeah. It was so cool. And so I always love when they when they sing it in the movie, you know, at different intervals of the movie, and and then, of course, the end they all get to see sing together again, which they're they're proving to you that they can pay play ball at any league. But my argument is always you can at any league at any age you can sing at any age. So that's something that, you know, the the cheers the the songs they'll always kind of connect this group of women. So I I always love to always live a good singing moment. I know really really really do though. It was just perfect. It was really well done and the lady the cast for may in this. I mean, there's something about these two just like it was it was hitting all the buttons. You know, it was it was a little bit like boom, but bone but bone but bone, but at the same time, it's like kind of got everything I needed and the right amount of time. And yeah, the perfect way to end it and kit Dottie, it's weird. I got I didn't know like. It almost felt like they lost touch or something. That's what I feel like they've they were implying. Okay. Because none of the kids were like, oh, there's anti. Yeah. Or maybe that happened, right? After something in this was that moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, even the beginning, they're establishing Dadis, daughters establishing that she hasn't seen aunt kit and a really on its rhyme for and then Dadi is kind of dubious of kids husband. I guess right. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. And so it very much here that they lost. Touch in a very real way. But here they are again they had after the game. I really enjoyed that scene between them because it was still sort of feisty sisterly. But also, you know, acknowledging one another and who it was cool. Yeah. What could movie Neil nag? Yeah. Yeah. Good call back like that man. I just couldn't take that scene. Yeah. Emily did not watch with me. She wanted to. But she was busy. But she she'll get around sale came down and made fun of me a little bit. You're welcome. Again, help it man sitting all the buttons. Jerry Lewis v wife dead sitting Nancy dead, Kurt cobaine. Also, Courtney love insane Johnny cash. Dick, did I Turner abusive in XXX ten Pacione? Amy wine house completely off the rails. Disgrace land is a rock and roll true crime podcast about musicians getting away with murder behaving very badly. This hosted by me Jake Brennan, I grew up in round rock and roll. In the one thing, I know to be absolutely true. 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Yeah. The whole thing just the whole shebang just the what is I think it's like one of the biggest budget pieces are pictures time. Sure of. Yeah. Even I think it still ranks up there as they poured in normal amount of money into just filling every inch of that whole thing just overwhelming stimulation. And and yeah. And after that, I don't I saw you Disney movies when I was a kid, but really didn't. I didn't go to the theater very much held for captain you five or six pretty mind blowing time. I rated movie tombstone. Oh, all right. Yeah. Could movie. Yeah. L of tombstone. Yeah. That's that's they. Yeah. See that on TV every now, and then I can't help but watch it. Yeah. I agree. I'll Kilmer so good. He is very good glitzy. He's doing better. He had a cancer thing. You know, did not. Yeah. Because he kind of went away for a while. And of course, the fucking media's just. Bill Kilmer and he looks like shit, and he had cancer had throat cancer. God and try to kind of keep it on the down low, but read some articles recently about it. So he's been on my mind lately. Yeah. Now, I was big on Val Kilmer as a kid for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I forever yet your thoughts when he did think. So. Yeah. Yeah. I get them confused. But yeah, he's a good Batman. He was a good fat, man. You know, he's in the new top gun sequel. He reprises his role as the Ice, Man. I did not. And when I saw that that was filming I was like who'd winnow, how do I get the embroidery contract for this? How do I get? How do I get to make the patches for top gun? That'd be how to make the maverick patch? Yeah. That would have been. Will you walk out of a bad movie? Adult me. I think no I go to the movies so rarely it's like an investment. Yes. So so like if I just gotta take a nap. I gotta. Movie sleeper. Oh, just don't snore. I don't I don't actually recall that ever happening. But but I'll sometimes bring knitting or something really. Yeah. That's great. I Hans person always working very difficult for me to sit still like in general. And if I am then I'm just like sitting there thinking of thinking of things that I wanna do can do things differently. Just like it's just always going for Noor. And as will a craftsman. And so having something in my hands is is really kind of preferred right way to sit to. Yeah. I like that. What let me see here. All right. This is for you. Trying to think of an embroidery specific. Or maybe just costume like what what what movies like really stand out to you, costume wise. And and if you can think of an embroidery or anything that worked its way into a film that you really noticed and loved can you think of one that really got it right while I definitely would say a league of their own obviously, great patches, and the costumes are so so well done in so well matched to I mean perfect replicas really of what what actually the the ladies war and their day that'd be fun Halloween costume. It would in fact somebody together and recreate the little dragon con group activity. Holy but actually, one of my favorite. I I actually had somebody kind of kind of Reconceptualise that by with with Atlanta United though, she had like a maroon. Good tunic dress, you know, double breasted situation custom-made, and then she came to me, and she was like, hey, I made these designs which kind of it's like a marriage of the United with the Rockford pizzas who'll and but legally passable, and so I may these patches for her and she was out there doing it. And that's awesome. Cool. I still haven't seen pictures. I'm pretty bad about like doing something that I really really love. And then being like, all right. Bye. And then all of a I'm like. And I'm like, I don't have any pictures. It's gonna be like two years before I see that again. So, but no cost him wise. I think definitely a league of their on his is really up there for me, you know, the dance scene. Everybody is kind of in their regular day where so great GI's. I mean, and it's really it's. I I'm just gonna stick to it. I'm gonna say league of their own is my favorite and in something that I wrote a really love to be a part of. But you know, that's that's a time in in America's history when America was really kind of taking the global forefront of the fashion industry lay Paris, you know, was invaded in and like they had a war on the home front. They really wasn't that they really weren't producing fashion the way that they used to and then America just kind of felt filled that gap into the American style. Just kind of took over the you know, what for women's wide shoulders small hip, right. And. Yeah. They they just did such a good job of kind of really nailing down that classic American early early forties. Cool air for close. It's really quite men and women just like, they the great, then they're still there were still a lot of rules about what women could wear right and how they could wear it. Sure. Especially in in the baseball league. They really. What they, you know, put forth in the in the movie is is true to the time where it's like, the the women really weren't supposed to wear slacks and public the skirt had to the control the diameter more than they did the length which really fun. But yeah, great just get really challenging thing to try to recreate now. And I don't think they would I hope they don't try to recreate a league of their own. But in what do I know? But yeah, it's all about the hair. It's all about the close. Yeah. Good hair to. All right. Finally movie going one on one. What is your movie ritual? Where do you go where you sit? What do you eat as an adult? I still don't I don't go to movies, very often. I'll go maybe a couple times a year if I can find a spot where my feet are up, and it is absolutely not harming or impeding on anybody else's experience. I will do it though. One over says that second part. Yeah. I put my feet up. Yeah. If there's nobody like I will. I'm will be considered of the people around me. But like if I have the option to put my feet up. It's happening. Yes. I do love popcorn. And and I don't really drink a lot of non seltzer water, but I will totally get a diet coke lake immediately. So corn, it's it's it's perfect. Especially for not much can swing that. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Katie. Thank you, Chuck is a lot of fun fun. Thank you. All right, everyone. Hope you enjoyed that. What a fun fun movie to get to go back and rewatch. And I know this is such a beloved film that I think a lot of you probably enjoy listening to this one such a good movie, so fun, and so funny like I said just such a big kind of throwback classic big Hollywood movie. 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Lost: Down the Hatch | Season 3 Episode 19: The Brig

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Lost: Down the Hatch | Season 3 Episode 19: The Brig

"Support for this podcast comes from we work. Today takes new ways of working new measures toward health and safety flexible terms to scale up and down convenience spaces designed for focus and collaboration. It we work to take your business where you want it to go we work. That's tomorrow works. Visit we work dot com slash tomorrow. John boy you got three seconds to open start. You're not gonna shoot anyone. James one true if there were any bullets in a gun. Why would you hold a knife to my throat. Six point phone sixty six lost is over. We gotta go back down the hatch. It's the lost rewatch podcasts. Here on post show talk and season three episode. Nineteen the brig and. I'm the big joined here by mike. La my name is mike bloom to my name's the wig to. I'm also the way you look at josh. Holloway's hair this episode. You might be saying that he is also the way to know. Come on. He looks great. Is that maybe cate. Could've should have given him a little bit of that season two as haircut but what an episode for aids board. What an episode for. John locke episode. Josh i mean we we have been telling this for weeks for months arguably for years about this extremely impressive streak of episodes barreling down to the end of season three and a little nervous going into the rewatch being over hyped like did it. Did i hype. Did we hype it up too much and at least the beginning of this streak is incredible so i was just talking off line before we came on here that obviously i'm always pump beyond belief to come on and talk about this with you josh. This is one of the first episodes in a while. We're like if finished and there was so much kinetic energy behind basically every single second of this episode. That i'm like i need to talk about this right now. I felt the same exact way. I was just like brimming with excitement. As soon as i finished. It totally lived up to that four point. Two billing no surprise for me. It's going to be a perfect four point to the brig. I assume it's the same for you. Mike burs and and it. It absolutely hit that hype and if anything it. Eight got higher. Like i obviously so hyped on loss because we're doing this each and every week into been so much fun. It's one of those things where a year and a half into talking about lost each and every week mike. I haven't lost any enthusiasm for it if anything. We are just like gaining momentum now as the show itself in the story line is gaining momentum and i know it's hyperbolic and i don't actually mean it. It's just like what i felt. When i was done watching the brig my feeling watching the brig this week at the end of it was like man. We just watched the best episode of lost. And i know. I know that that's not true but but i do think it is it is. It is such a good episode of the show. It is a perfect episode of the show for me. And i think it does something incredibly meaningful and both like primal and obvious but also subtle in many ways specifically with the sawyer character but also with john locke it is such a satisfying ending to up to this point one of the longest running mysteries and character details about both of these men. And i know that there's literally the question of like. Is this too obvious to obvious. That anthony cooper is sawyers. Dad is too obvious that when lack of saying got been that. It's obviously anthony. Cooper this question from from from down services wise anthony cooper being the real sawyer a twist versus being just predictable down several also wrote in and said is to show trying to trick us into thinking ben could be the real sawyer after lock till sword that he'll kill ben after hugh here's what he has to say or is it or are we supposed to believe that and like for for me. None of that really matters because like like there are so many ways to to read this episode when you when you know what john locke is actually planning that he that he doesn't have been in the brig he's got anthony cooper in the brig the interactions between john sawyer or so meaningful both in terms of themselves individually. But i actually think importantly really meaningful for their continued relationship on the show. And i mean that both in terms of the relationship between sawyer and locke but also the relationship between sawyer and locke figure. I think this is an important episode for a lot of what ends up happening with. James ford specifically on this show and that was not take that i came into this with an necessarily so i was excited to get kind of like a new. Take watching the brig. I'm so exhilarating performances in this one. I love this episode so-so so much i think we're going to have a really thematically rich episode of loss to talk about here today and it's going to be a blast this episode true to it being a lock episode in the central man himself. It's very special in a number of ways first off. I'd be hard pressed at least at this moment to think of an episode. That's not like a big episode finale. That advanced not one. But two major characters storylines so prominently in one singular installment. This is a gigantic episode for both the john locke arc and the james ford are right the these are both facing their past demons and exercising them granted. That demon happens to be the same man evidently but when we talk about the rx of these characters these are seminal moments for both of them. And i would be pressed to think of another episode at least ones that have come before us where it has been like equally massively important to characters at once usually obviously the the brunt of the character who's getting the flashback. Episode is going to be the one that has the big piece moving forward. Tough storylines to it. And there's some argument there is well. I know amongst the listeners. The hatchlings of okay. This is a lock episode. This has been a sawyer episode. Saw every man for himself. And i don't think they were building out the sawyer stuff that much there. There's that mike another another thing. That and i feel like there have been moments where i have moments where i have felt that way to where i felt. Like this is such a big deal for sawyer that shouldn't be a sawyer. Flashback and. I don't know that i've ever felt more strongly in opposition to that position Than i do right now that i think it is absolutely the right choice to center this on john locke to not give sawyer. Flashback because i think we know the stakes of sawyer at this point on and i think that one of the magic tricks of this episode and why this is such a pivotal moment in sawyers evolution as a character is think about who's sawyer has been recently so here's the dude who drank beers with with the gang and drove the van in the woods. So here's the guy who played inspector clue so with gang during russo. Who is handling her own. Box of dynamite. The sawyers the one who lost ping pong competitions sawyer is the one who almost got voted out tribal council and has been anointed leader. Sawyer has found love sawyers in a relationship sawyer is getting to play casual ping pong with jack. This is sawyer has had some moments on the island already that he has greatly enjoyed but that has been typically at the expense of other people. This is sawyer has been part of crew. Sawyer is not just part of the crew. He's a leader within the crew. He's well loved in the group right now. It's like back to where he was at the start of season to accept like he's he's like i don't know if he's thinking about it a lot whether he liked deserves this or not. He's not actively like like was when he came back with tales of people. People shouldn't be treating me like this. And i think in sort of a similar way like i have talked about how like if there's value in stranger in a strange land it's like helping to reinforce the idea that jack could be in such dire way for the for through the looking glass that you could believe that that happened in the past. I think the fact that we haven't had a flashback from sawyer. For as long as we've had probably helps deceive the casuals people weren't doing like the mega theorizing and hadn't connected yet. Oh shit lock is locks. Dad is the original sawyer. Interesting point as well. I would love to hear from hatchlings because obviously people have come onto the show in different regards. But i would love to hear if you what did you know especially if you were not vociferously looking at each and everything like the rest of us doing at the time. Did you put the mental math together in your own head. That anthony cooper was the oj sawyer before this episode right. So i would. I would love to know. Because i'm sure that there are tons of we. Were talking about this show all these years later. So we're the diehards still right like we're very into it but there are also people who still listen to this podcast. Even but certainly at the time of the show weren't going on on message. Boards weren't doing the theorizing with their friends didn't piece together. That locks dad was probably sawyer. Maybe didn't put it together and again. I still don't think it really matters that much the fact that you're walking into this episode and you haven't thought a lot about sawyers grudge that you haven't thought of lot about this engine. That was humming sawyers for so long because sawyers not thinking about it right now either sawyers thinking about how good life is sawyers enjoying life right now in a fairly authentic way he just gave pork to the pregnant lady. Bird just clear it is now your mystic. He literally did it. He gave her played a big. You know there's there's you know he's been having a good time and people are accepting him and he doesn't have to think too hard about it. He's able to like have a relationship with kate and still be able to play table tennis with jack. Like he's he's having a great time and then this comes back and he gets sideswiped and he gets his vengeance but it does not look at all. like he fantasized. What if fantasize was gunning down frank duct that would serve like his big action. Movie with the epic letter. Read with everything goes so wrong. He's so unprepared for it. Goes terribly it makes him literally sick. And i think that this is a pivotal moment for this character. Transformation in for it to happen at a time where he is at his best. He gets sucked back into the abyss. And i think that this is like this is a moment. And why i say it's really powerful for the relationship between sawyer and at least a lock tight is that lock brings sawyer back into the abyss here thinking that like it's going to be good for james and i think ultimately in a way it ends up being good for james because this is like dr- this is like a dry run towards like. How do you react in the face of the abyss because sawyer is going to be here again when juliet is dead so is going to be here again in that final season when he is going to be groomed to be part of the bad guy squad and he is going to be at that point having gone through everything else that he goes through knowing like. No this shit's rotten. And i gotta figure out a way to save some of these people here get myself out of here too because i don't deserve to be just like brought down all the way to the bottom so this and that's with him in the man in black so a lock. I just think there's there's so much for this to happen now. It sideswipes not just the audience that this isn't a sawyer. Flashback because i think that telegraphs it to a degree but also side swipe sawyer and that is so much more important. I think the way in which this broad swipes sawyer is it. It's it really and translates to us in that performance in those two scenes right like on both sides of the commercial break of of james anthony cooper together. I think it's so rich it doesn't need to be a sawyer. Flashback episode because so much history is already imbued in the present its spectacular. I could i could. I could wax poetic about it for hours. We we will well. And so on that respect though i do think this is an extremely important lock episode especially looking ahead to who lock is going to be. Because i know we've seen some comments of like. Oh i don't ali. I was not into the flashbacks. As i remember but i feel like it's actually a almost the a really well done mystery where i do think you know. We'll get into a later. But the way they opened with him with lock reading this mysterious file and tossing it by the fire while data's eight breath exactly. That's that's a fun little media resmo must be like how the hell did we get here. The looking ahead to john is going to be with regards to ben linus with regards to richard alpert with regards to the others. This is also a seminal moment for this guy because this shows how we're going to kind of have a bit of a lock problem as jack said in exodus for season four and i do feel like we talked about how further instructions was a bit. How john lott group back. This is where he found his conviction and his journey again. Because this is something for him to specifically the idea that he was able to not necessarily con sawyer but lead someone into doing something as you know just immoral as murder and maybe justify murder from a certain perspective. But i feel like that paves the way for stuff that john locke is going to do. Maybe in season four but definitely in a man who's going to have john locks body coming down the line. I feel like this is a huge setup for what this character can be capable of and particularly how he might serve as that sort of foil to china's essentially you know richard alpert painted as he essentially got locked out here to sort of prove to the others. How this guy that everyone thinks special is really not at all. He's right now. He's castigated he's neutered and lock say like no no. I've got balls. I'm just not going to be the one to do it. But don't worry. I'm gonna take the credit for it. It's a huge huge episode. For this character. I will also mention i would also just interject to say that like i actually and maybe i hadn't thought this way before but i certainly feel it now. That lock absolutely kills anthony cooper. He doesn't stab him. He doesn't shoot him but he he unleashes a weapon on anthony cooper he murders this guy he is murder weapon is a man and his name is james sport. Yeah i wonder as well. As the development of lock's character we'll talk about obviously his inability to be the one to wield the knife himself but he's sort of again in the form of a you know the guy that's going to become. John locke later on he'll find a loophole of brian. I cannot do this. But i know what i can do from that perspective. Something interesting like the show grooming us to be ready for that. Yeah exactly so. I think it's really fascinating in the long run. Something else that. I found you one of the other reasons why this episode has always been so magnetic and hewlett. Magneto perhaps is that this apparently is one of only two lost episodes to not introduce any new characters whether it be in flashback or a rando on the island these are all characters that we know that we have seen in some capacity before. And that's only one out of two episodes out of one hundred plus in this entire show and that says something because one of the other reasons why even at the time i adored the crap out of the brig is because this is an episode josh. That was two plus years in the making ever. Since we heard that letter read by kate in confidence man we knew what sorters eventual mitchum is going to be to your point. He said he did. Advocate during outlaws. Where you could tell. He was still focused on that. He decided to to let it go in favor of a lot of stuff. But this is really the culmination of this characters. Entire arc. so foreign to your point we've seen other sides of sawyer but it really has all come back to this thing the central conflict that has literally made him the man that he was and it is so exciting to watch him shed that skin in the most guttural brutal way possible. Because i came through this episode. Josh afterwards being like what is going to happen to sawyer next. Is he going to go back to the mirror that he was or is he much like lock seems to be using this as an opportunity to shed his cocoon right. Read those wings and fly somewhere else. I think one of the things that this episode kicks us off on in something that we can talk about as far as it relates to other characters and as it relates to sawyer. Is this the idea that like once the batman is gone. Everything will be okay right sort of that trope of like once. The boogeyman is dead. I'll be free know. This one thing changes my life is going to be perfect from now on and that is never the case. There are demons everywhere. It doesn't matter. If you kill king demon. That doesn't stop the rest of the demons and you have to continue living your life prepared for that stuff you have to pivot. The moment occurs. All of that is baked into the beautiful tragic condition of being a human being. And i think that this is that that is very much at the heart of this show. It's very much at the heart of the idea of the flashbacks for these people and kind of investigating. What does that mean for each person. Like for saieed right. It's going to be like everything is going to be better. The second i find nadia maybe maybe not for desmond. Second that reunite with penny. Well they have no or even jack everything is is. He spends an entire season. I'm going to get everyone off this when he does. He comes to regret it. And so i think that we're getting that really regaining. That really in a big way. Maybe not for the first time ever. But we're getting that in a bit of an early version of this is boon releasing himself from shannon but now we're shedding sawyer of the crux of sawyer. And like who are you now. How are you going to deal with adversity after the major adversary is dead. After you've defeated it was that a victory. Is it worse than you thought. Who does that turn you into. And that is such a big question at the you know this is this is a show about all of these. Lost people not just like physically lost on an island also lost within their own lives. And you think that if you just find the one thing then you're going to be saved and everything's gonna be okay. Well maybe not maybe not necessarily and i think to start getting into that question through sawyer through this episode. It's gonna make that character really exciting. I think a lot of that gets Is is going to be like. What's fuelling him for the for the rest of his time on the show. He's a different character from this moment. Forward it's activated him in a really really important and profound way and it's just it's so it's so good it's just it this this this title card absolutely lived up to the billing for me here with with the break. This we get rid of frigging anthony cooper. Who's the worst he is. But he's also kevin tighe is so good so face punching fantastic. Going gonna get every single. Lv boy available today. No question about it. I'm so excited to dress down this character as well because we also need to look at his psychology in that if he does legitimately believe that he has died and gone to hell and his quote unquote like coming to face with his sins. The regard or lack thereof in which he faces. This idea of an afterlife is a fantastic fascinating character dissemination. That's gonna end up being his last moments of life. Yes and so powerful in the face of the theme of life and death. And i'm not talking about the music talking about the idea that is so central to loss in the fact that that is so fun of mind in the conversation in this episode right like forget the we were dead the whole time they were dead the whole time it was bergen tori all along like screw all of that. I think i think if anything. I think the undercurrent of like it's almost like living in the age of alternative realities that lakeside and everybody went side tells hurley at one point when roy. What about what. She said about the fact that they've found our bar playing. And it was built with audi y es sayed says like one problem at a time. I knew this idea of like second guessing yourself like am i. Alive is any of this real. I think that like brimming underneath the surface of these active conversations. That that cooper is having with sawyer a little hot for heaven all of that and coming from a man who is not the devil. But it's definitely a demon on his trip to hell. It's like this was the man who lived his life that way. This is the man who when he says. I don't believe in hell. I don't i don't care and then you get there and the way he's acting like well. I guess it makes sense exam idea throwing yourself like forgive me. I can't believe ideas like yep. I'm fine with the home. That i made and here i will stay. I drank a lot of whiskey. I made a lot of money in here. I am and i guess that makes sense like to have that character and have that. Be such like an exaggerated bad guy version of where sawyer could have gone in his life. I dig spectacular. This is also not to say this is like the big. Richard alpert breakout episode. Yeah that i think is a lot to talk about. With richard alpert and his relationship with john locke and one scene that we're going to get with them on the hill and perspectively his relationship with ben as well. Even though they don't share scenes. Richard does here is a huge. Yes marker about you. Know how jacob in particular views ben in this moment that will culminate obviously in the about. How jacob feels about ben. But certainly how richard feels about about. Ben jacobs attitude was like yeah. Well thanks for keeping me informed. I'm just keep me posted on how it still going. And let's just see how plays out like he seems like somebody who has less of an opinion and richard alpert being the emissary definitely has opinions exactly and like i think. His opinion is really showing in this episode. I totally agree on that point. But let's also talk about how this is a big episode for benjamin linus and let's also talk about how this is a big episode for john watkin benjamin lines and then let's talk about how nixed week is going to continue off stuff that you're getting into flashback here so i loved that this is john locke especially and especially coming off of the man from tallahassee as well like that was a giant yes then in lock episode and this is just continuing that plot into like you said the one two punch cruelty or like one two shot i suppose of this and next episode of really these two combatants just fiercely butting heads against each other in one getting one over on the other one. It's it's weird that we take a break between ed installments. One and two but especially going back to the events right after the man from tallahassee. It's back to the futures parts. Two and three were like a year apart. Today have read. Yeah eric stoltz is. John locke and like i think like tallahassee brig to the man behind the curtain literally having it be the man from tallahassee through the man behind the curtain we are in within this arc. That we've been hyping for a long time that we're in the best stretch of episodes that lost ever has maybe not the best episodes of loss but definitely the best. Stretch that i. It's no coincidence that we go from the man from tallahassee to the brig the man behind the trilogy. It's the man troje the man show and i and i think it's i think it's brilliant. We're going to be able to like bounce these themes on into next week. Mike this is going to be not just banner episodes for the show. But i think that this is going to be some of the most fun that we've had on the podcasts evidenced by the fact that we're like we're like a half hour in we haven't started saying you know there's just so much here and i've been so eager to talk about it and ever since stopped the episode. I'm so happy that we're here. I hope that you're all strapped in for ride because clearly this one's going to be a long one with that said how about we take a minute to to support the support for this. Podcast comes from pluto. Tv need an escape dropping. The blue tv for a world of free tv stream hundreds of channels and thousands of movies and shows all for free. Yeah free no. Subscriptions no fees imagine twenty four seven channels of narcos. Csi star trek survivor and everything else from hit movies to binge tv shows. The latest news live sports comedy and more. What are you waiting for. Download the free fluid tv app android iphone roku tv and start streaming now pluto tv. Drop in watch free. Don't worry polluted. Tv is not calling you. Like any anthony cooper type. This is the real deal. No kidneys necessary. No nobody's necessary but if you got them keep them all right. Let's drop into the jungle. Let's go forth into the jungle. Talk about the brig the seventh ever. John locke flashback. That thing i'll say about the fact that this is all on island as written by lindelof accused. Mike is that is this the first time other than maternity leave. An expose emmy exposes. Already done this. But i think one of the things that i like about this being an all island flashback for lock is because we're talking about how this is a turning point for sawyer clearly. It's a turning point episode for lock as well and we're going to get gosh. What's it called cabin fever next ryan. And then that's and that's going to be the very next sean lot. It's interesting thinking about like really on the back. Half of john locke flashback episodes. After we're in the we're in the homestretch for john locks like active participation on the show. Yeah we're actually. We're we're closer to that than you think because season four is shorter because next week is the last. We see of until two scenes in the finale of season. Three and then you've got shorter season. Four and season five. You know the the life and death of jeremy bentham happens halfway through and so we see lock a lot in season five but it depends on you know. It's not him at a certain point. So we're closing in on that stuff so it's really important for for that and i think this idea of like john locke's special. You are meant for something. The fact that he's getting an episode like this where we're getting to fill in the gaps of his journey and that like his. You know this is going to be an episode where anything that happened to him in his life before all of this john locke at least and you really get the sense of it by the very end of the episode when he's literally putting his dad his father's dead weight on his back literally carrying his family on his back the man who broke his back now dead on his unbroken back on walking forward that you get the sense that for locked in this moment in time everything that ever happened to him before no longer matters so i think for this episode to be an episode. That's very present. That is only dealing with the very recent past in terms of what we are. Visually seeing is a really really excellent and intelligent story structure choice. Yeah and to that point. I mean we'll get to it several weeks from now. It almost a weekends in hindsight the cabin fever of it because all be honest if this was the final john law quote unquote. flashback proper. I would be happy because we finish off with with man from tallahassee right. We finally found out how he got in the wheelchair. And if our flashbacks with john locke ended with that proper you're right. The symbolism is there of him shedding. That person was before he was on the island. And so we don't need to see that anymore. That man is dead. That man is done now. This new john locke has survived and yesterday have been facets of him that have been here on the island so far looking at you throw in a knife to interrupt meeting in walkabout but did this truly does feel like a new pep in his step and so maybe i'll put a pin in this moment. Get to that episode. Several several several weeks down the line but it does make me think if that was a necessary thing. That's my line alright. So the episode begins with lock by the fire with the sawyer dossier as a man in a burlap sack is stirring lock. Doesn't save your breath. Nobody can hear you and then he burns the folder and so that's not a flashback. That at the start of the episode. So we're beginning there. That's where john lott. John walkie has right now. You know john locke is by a fire somewhere in the woods reading this thing. And i love that. I love that sort of that mystery. Structure this episode because yeah now we do slammed back to the moment where john locke sees anthony cooper for the first time in man from tallahassee. We continue that momentum and it continues with a big bite out of john locks hand. Anthony cooper is going to to the first thing he. He's not going to do any talking. He's all all he's both bark and exactly and and ben does warn him like. Hey you probably gag on. He'll bite he bites and he's like i don't know about that. I know this guy better than you do. In indeed anthony cooper testify against bites man. He really does. Yeah exactly but the power with which ben holdover lot again weakened sort of talk about the choice to have a significant break of time between from tallahassee and this but at least this scene does russia 's back to not only the context of that moment but the context of that power dynamic because again. This was benn who got locked to blow up the sub on his behalf then is the one that holds all the power. Here just had locked tied up in the storeroom. Remember when he said oh just to show you the biggest flex that i could have. Here's here's your dad. I know everything about you. And i have all these resources at my fingertips or at least i appear to be that promise. Bright back in that in the thick of it all in terms of the status of ben despite being sitting his towering over john locke at this point of like yup. I brought the meal at the real mccoy to you. You know teeth and all and by the way. We're going someplace else and i mean you could come with if you want to. I didn't exactly invite you. But i guess you could be a plus one but i but i also think that you know to the point that is delivered later of is is ben jealous of john which i think is definitely one hundred percent. I mean that's what i think. Lock as we talked about in the made from tallahassee. I think lock did sort of hit a nerve when he men we're talking about how you know. Lock garnered a lot of attention for being the guy who was paralyzed. Certainly walk whereas ben is becoming the opposite. He's a rock star. He's a lock star in. Ben is ben and ben has power. Ben ben is not an episode of lost then he has power right like he's a very powerful person and i think this is another episode in which like that argument that i that i made in stranger in a strange land in the podcast was like i know it's unsafe. Benjamin line is is a is a bad dude and like the public shaming and the potential public execution. That could have happened. Juliet and like the public trial is within character. This guy and see no further proof in the fact that like in front of children and everyone was all right with this at least was like subservient to it because he's the dictator and he's in charge. Ben was gonna have. John locke slit the throat of a man tied to a totem pole discipline potential and this is the same guy who with the same straight face till someone. We're not murderers. Yeah exactly he's a liar. He's a bad guy you know. This shouldn't be controversial. This can be a very very great character and also be an awful person and he has an awful guy. He's awful guy who's got a very sad story as we will come to learn but he is an awful person who has done awful things will continue to do awful things and we'll maybe try with his final ounces of energy in his life. We'll try to do better but we'll still never be able to feel at least comfortable walking through those church doors. That's who we're dealing with. When we're dealing with benjamin linus and i think that idea of like where he is with cooper here and lock is like we didn't bring him here john. This is all you use me how he got here. Hey we're going to. We're going somewhere new actually somewhere very old. You wanna come with us like he's setting lock up. He's imbuing lock with this idea. He's always had locks number and he continues to have locks number until locks dying day because he knows locks. Turnkey this idea that i'm here for a reason i am special. And he leans into that and he's doing that here as well. I think very much with the idea that he's hoping that lock is going to fail and he's at the very least if at the very least going to try and set this guy up for failure. I think everything that he does here in this moment of like. We're going to this very old place. would you like to come with. Us is all in service of him eventually trying to publicly pants. John locke completely. And the thing that i love about it as well because if ben has a specialization in his duplicity i think it's the illusion of free. Will which is a big losers michael. Exactly it's just a thing that that horse do for money or cash but dharma fish bars but this idea that he's to your point he's trying to create this idea to john locke of like i didn't bring anthony cooper to the island you did and to your point. He's doing that to put. John locke up on this pedestal of like look at how special you are. Look at these choices you are making. That are all completely correct so then when this does happen he can then pull down john locks pants not literally but then say hey look everybody. Remember the man that you touted. As this god of the island he turns out not to be whatsoever. Doddering old fool. Who worked at a box company. You know he really is setting him up for a fall in that regard and ben does this all the time even with someone like juliet experienced as recent as a few episodes ago how they kept promising her like regard. You can do this. You can do that. But that is absolutely never the case and i think a reason how ben is able to keep people under their thumb is he's able to use that idea of the illusion of free will in so many ways whether it's like juliet of keeping them the carrot almost even though that it's always out of arms reach orrin john locke it's setting them up to say look at all these choices. You're making a actually they all really suck. This is why you're not the person that you think you are ten. Also think that like this is how like ben believes that people are going to like. Get off the. John locke trains look. You didn't publicly murder. This where's your messiah now. Yeah this is how he relates to human beings. Let's not let's not forget that. Let's also you know he says to lock. We're holding a few buildings over from here if you wanna say goodbye. Didn't lock say he's stopped pretty hard for did this. I think trying to save face. I think over like oh you know. I should've said something. Well she doesn't need to know that will wait a minute and benz like john you do realize that she killed her stepfather right. Yeah there's probably a great idea. Let me put that in my memory banks for later. Yeah slightly deleted scene. That didn't make the cut another fantastic a hypocrisy as he mentioned again. Ben saying you know. We're not murderers. Does that thing. But then according to lock also turns down cates resume quote unquote because she murdered her stepfather. Right exactly are it's later that night or we go back to the present anyway. Back on the island back beats speaking of kate. She wants to go back to her own. Tendencies with sawyer this. I i didn't realize this until i looked back on my notes. Josh i don't know if this is purposeful or not. This is callback to orientation. I don't know if you remember. But in very very first nights that helen lock spend together. Helen caught locks off and he said. I can't sleep if i'm not in my bed. Yeah so a even though lockstep involved in this scene he has very much fingerprints over the course of this episode. Yes so that's great. I hadn't picked up on that. I love that connection so this is again. Like this is her and kate and sawyer. Wake actually being in this place. Where like going. Well the worst thing. He has to worry about right now as he has to get up in the night to that is the worst that it is at the moment he someone loves him. Someone cares about him. He cares about them. He's unapologetic about it. She's unapologetic about it. She still wants to sleep in her own tent. He's cool with it. you know. Even the fine skram weird. It's weird thing. Where like initially. I thought they were brusque with each other but like they do kiss and there is some playful banter there so it's clear that's just sort of the way that it's their dynamic and it's fun and it's cute and i really really like it and is clearly really really happy and i think it's such a wise choice to ground sawyer in this moment because this is like this is the end of that for him for a while you know he's going to have another moment you know him and him and kate are gonna sleep together in season four and he's gonna have some other human moments in season for you get to play risk with hurley and everything like that jumps jumps out of a helicopter finds his way back to humanity. But this is like in a way the last pure moment for sawyer until his time with juliet. I think this is the last pure moment for that character until he gets to like actually have another break. This is launching us into a really significant period of james boards life and to have this as kind of like our last memory of that stuff. I think is important. If i were to make an analogy it's almost like sawyer. Went into witness protection and was creating a new identity for himself and then he happens to run into some from his past life at the coffee shop right. We're like everything comes rushing back. He did not invite this back into his life but now he can't help but live the life that he lived once before. so he's he's offered a walker. I got p. anyways so he's going to go and he's going to try and but he sees something curious. Outside of his tent he's gonna see jin and hurley. Outside of hurley's sent in the following exchange occurs. Doing what the hell you doing. Going to take. A leak daryl. So are we all right. Great ensure impression they're sawyer and i literally just included that sound because it cracks me up. I think it's super funny and it is by foreign away both the shortest and lightest audio. Quit that we will get in this episode. We're going to be playing really heavy scenes under the cloak of darkness not entirely literally light also hopefully no translates that scene for gently. He's like why am i around hurley. In every time he has to mention so we got p. To all righty. Then i wasn't that like sawyer even in this moment like he's in such a place where like he doesn't need he doesn't need to know what's going on and that's usually not sawyers thing. I do wonder if after the whole events of one of us wherever essentially found out like touched. The stove and juliet burnt him quite literally. That he's like all right. I'm just going to keep to myself though. Maybe i should have delve into this too much. And i think there's also sets up definitely obviously not as important. That's what's gonna happen in the main set but definitely another thing that moves the chains along with what's to come hurling. The campers have started to make their way back to camp proper josh but they are still being squirrelly instead of being themselves because they are not sure who to disclose all the naomi of it all too. Yeah well we'll get there and they make a great choice of course when they get their sawyer is to go. He's going to. He's going to go and begin to p i think he gets as far as pulling out his junk and john locke shows polo james. And i do think this is probably a bigger remote had honestly heard kate not call him james like in the big groups in a couple of episodes ago because again we have to sort of make the shortlist of who knows that soldiers name is james. We know hurley. Obviously from the manifest kate michael back in the day and i feel like there's something big and him saying hello james because that's another clue of like how does he know sawyers real name. He must know sawyers real story. And i think when you when you're connecting the breadcrumbs as to where we get eventually with these flashbacks. That's another bit of an indicator. He's been calling him james for a while really. I'm trying to remember if you remember. He called him. That's that i came up in the hunting party. Yes you're right yes. So he's been calling him that. For what but i still think it's significant because there is sort of paternal quality to john from john locke to a bunch of other people and i think that a relationship that gets overlooked is sort of the a this this one between locke and sawyer of like a father figure to sawyer at certain points in time. Not that like. I think soaraway really thinks of him that way but just sort of the idea of like john locke kind of like the island. Daddy two oh ho. Yeah he is. The you know what i mean and i think like the fact that he shows up for that coffee scene in outlaws and is there at a moment when sawyers reminiscing on the time that he thought he killed sawyer but he did it and now to have these two people like bonded together in this episode and even then without knowing that they were bonded over something there. I think the fact that locked comes here. And in this moment where sawyer is going to be reduced back to his childhood trauma and reminding him that you're not sawyer james sport. I don't think that's insignificant. Plus i think the good thing and telling sawyer to xyz which i am italy very common issue with that so i appreciate the john locke to the world indicating that to that to me especially on the dl. Yes for sure so. Zip your pants up. And he's like. I didn't join the others. He's like why are you. Why back here. Why did you go up. The submarine didn't join the others didn't join the others infiltrated him. Yeah i'm glad kidnapped ben and we talked about this during one of us. I'm glad that at least someone is showing some you know. Some fury towards john locke for this news like oh. He went off with the other because again. That is a big deal. Finally get to see that vocalized but like you said. Lock has an explanation for everything. So he says 'i infiltrated him kidnapped. Ben a dragged him into the jungle. And i would like it if you would kill him and so we didn't see any of that and i do believe that like certainly for for me. You know. there's there's no doubt in my mind at this point on the i watch that. He's talking about anthony cooper that it's anthony cooper that he dragged that this is going to beat where we're finally building to it. That's because i'm a i'm a huge loss dork. Exactly my friends. And i have been talking about this ever. And it's all over the internet as well so when you see locking sawyer and has seen together and you know that the ad that anthony cooper is now on the island you know this is going to happen and actually go back to that initial question as to. Does this actually work at the twist for me. It works in a twist in the same way that a greek tragedy does. We're like a great tragedy does not really have many surprises in it. The whole advent of the aristoteles drama is that the chorus comes out and says this is what's going to happen. It's going to suck. And we essentially watch the characters come to that conclusion so from that capacity. I still think it's a twist in that regard just because it doesn't surprise us profoundly especially those that were tapped into the vein of loss doesn't not make it a twist because it's a revelation for these characters. Yeah i think it's a twist i. I don't think that it's like too obvious. I think it's it's obvious because it's playing fair that it's the culmination of something. I'm thinking i'm going to tread lightly here. Because i know that there are people who including the person who i'm speaking to right now who haven't seen the show but people who are who are watching it for the first time right now because we live in a time where old shows are new again. Because we don't have new shows and that's battle star galactica and battle star galactica was built was very clearly building towards something it was. It was heavily speculated about by fans and head there is a pivot towards like something that really doesn't make any sense and they didn't they didn't go with the thing that people had guest because people guessed it and that was such a mistake. It was such a mistake to like. Change your story because people figured it out. People figured it out because you were playing fair this is another reason why people figured out the sawyer and locke connection they were playing fair and they stuck to the vision and thank god. They did to pivot away from that. I think is a is a mistake. And it's a twist for the characters it's a twist for the people who did not put it together. I don't think it's too obvious. But frankly it doesn't even matter if it's obvious it's the idea that like if you're if you're thing can be ruined by a spoiler thing is probably not that good to begin with. I absolutely believe in that. I think that like if if people knowing what your central twist is completely ruins. The movie movies probably already ruined. Yeah you want to preserve that twist because it's a delight to experience that surprised for the first time and unspoiled but if it doesn't still hold up when you then examine it and go back to. It was wrong to begin with a flash in the pan. you know. it's all spark no substance and i think the other thing that really is substantial when it comes to these twists is also the aftermath. If i may invoke a piece of pop culture that i've actually seen let's talk are pacelle equals j. That was a huge fan theory that had been years in the making that actually manifested itself on something. Like game of thrones and it was a big deal at the time but the fact that there was really in retrospect very little payoff to it. All i think really sours that twist in people's minds and despite what you might be saying about in both cases i think if you're really tuned into what fans were saying in both cases. It's something that's going to eventually happen. That was come came. Barreling down was only a matter of time. Whereas i feel like game of thrones just did it just to do that thing and then really may nothing of it moving forward here they use it in a way to make memorable character connections and epiphanies and seminal events in their lives. That's going to to the point that we made throughout this podcast really changed both of these characters. Moving forward for sure. So he's say like. I want you to calm source. Says i'm not a murderer as well. What about that. Guy is killed in sydney in snowpacks. Lock here doing the fact checking on moment. what are you talking about. I have no idea you know. Nothing john snaps in. He's well they've got files. A their files are wrong in locks as well then. I guess i made a mistake. Don't tell anyone i was here. And he turns and walks and he knows he's he's got that grin on his face of like. Oh i'm and i'm pretty sure. Actually this is very similar to confidence. Man when sawyer walks away from like donna. Bata at the table right. When he's got that greg on his face like three to one. And then sawyer says you know what i might have to p and i might be barefoot. I'm gonna come with you. yes so. I think it's. That's that's a really compelling poll as well right because like this is an episode where where sawyer is falling for a con so to speak and. I think that there's like there. This is an episode that has a lot of regression for james fort. I think progression as well ultimately. But i think a lot of regression for hand like bringing him back to basics both as a character but also like as human as an adult human who is now closer to resembling hate to say adult babies. You know closer to being a bit of a kid again. I will say i think with sawyer. It's the only way is through almost compared to like you dive through a wave to to move on from it. And so i feel like that's what sorta has to do here in order to break on and move on to the person that he will eventually become in the future or past however you wanna put it. He's going to have to push through the pain and trauma of refacing. This moment speaking of pushing through the pain disorder ever p or is he holding it for the rest of the episode. Maybe he pisses on anthony cooper's corp just like they sold to injury there it doesn't appear that that happens but if you want a head cannon that mike why does he smell like all right. It's a flashback. To three days earlier. John locke is with the others. He's specifically with cindy helping her with the with ten she has. She has like an arstan like scarf that she has on with so many nuts in it. That's all. I could watch during this this little interaction. She's okay everybody's talking because they're so excited. You're here john waiting for you. What is it with these people like i. It's jack in the cage and now it's locked putting up ten. They were fascinated with everything. Eight one five is doing why think they gotta be pretty stoked about john locke i mean i think like especially from like so we never really know like what is the stuff that happens promote cindy specifically to like. Here's the cool lead right ask the others are are pushing and this is why you should be excited about it because obviously like she cares about the kids. She wants to make sure that they're safe but she also often does come across as though like she's buying. This is the moment where she really does. Seem like. she's buying what the others are selling. And you have to imagine that like there. Is this piece of the sales pitch. That's like in john. There's a guy. He had a broken spine. He can walk now here. Here's the five chad out. He doesn't get you. Served him that vodka on the plane. That's that's that guy. That's have a celebrity in your midst. And i'm not talking about the lottery winner or the guy of drive shaft so i think getting getting them hyped on. That would make a lot of sense for why people would be really excited about lock. I once thought that maybe like do some of these people know that lock is a time traveller in water. Them certainly does which will get them. Does that matters in those interactions. I think it's probably it's a little harder to 'cause like there's no way that the other gawkers know that and benjamin linus doesn't right and so if we're going to take that on. I'm not prepared today to take that on. But let's float that idea out there. In case hatchlings have ideas about. This does benjamin linus. No that john locke is going to be a time travel. Is that part of the intelligence he has. Or is that something that richard alpert his co. holman crispy and i'll be inclined to believe believe that albert wouldn't tell ben that if richer created the dossiers on everybody could that have been something he redacted and kept in his pocket. I would if i'm richard alpert. Yeah that's what i do. Especially because like like jacob's like oh well ben thinks he's the leader of the others. That's fine let them be. And then over. Time as you're working for ben more and more you're starting to realize like this guy socks is guys dangerous. In fact this guy like this guy probably shouldn't be in charge of everything and like you're starting to feel the time travelling guy who has been thinking about forty years fifty years. Whatever it's been. He's here now so now you're starting to rethink some of your decisions. I don't think that that's a guy that i tell about. Well there's this time traveler. Who's going to be coming in. Who's going to say that he's in charge of me. But like i've seen some weird shit year and so i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and believe that but i think he's going to back that stuff and i think that that's going to be why richard alpert is gonna want to actualize. John locke now that he's here. He's had experience with this guy. Yeah and he also leeann. He knows that this guy will eventually become the leader of the others too. So like what. Good is that going to do. Benjamin linus knowing that that's just going to villain is lock more in his eyes. So i do like this idea. Then if it's the richard versus and one-sided feud that richard is keeping this in his own pocket speaking of timelines josh. Can we talk for a second about the recorded. Message here because we got a couple of questions about this with how it worked with. Dmc yes so. I think one of the things that we are we are wondering here is is this. Is this one of the first times that the that the show is kind of like jumping forward in time because this is three days ago was the most recent episode. I believe this was technically. I think this was supposed to be like day eighty five. I believe the events of. I think when juliet records that message it six. Am in the morning on day. Eighty seven. I think okay. So there's a little bit of a continuity era. i would say yeah. I think it's a simple as that. I'm done coming up with cockamamie theories based on continuity errors. I i've made my bed in that regard. Yeah i just like we can go there if we want. There's so much that's working in this episode. That and that's the thing right like can can an episode conquer that stuff because of all the other things that are going on. We've talked about this before. With one of them with the whole truth can ending push like otherwise fine episode further down the line for its greatness. This is an instance where like a continuity error is not even like. It's not even denting the arm and i wanna talk for a second because is going to visit ben. Who's listening to this time. Travelling message in his tent. And there's a couple of things in this tent here so. The first is one of the books that ben is reading is called the oath which is a novel by john. A chart which is about a doctor who murders seriously ill patients for financial gain so again. If you wanna look at what. Ben linus is perusing in his free time. Check out. that says a lot about him. But i love. It's going to be short. Lived but i love. This imagery of ben linus his walking stick. I never really caught it. The first time didn't really dote on it. But it is so meaningful in so many ways i know this is this is comparable to the last character. We knew who wielded a stick and had sort of friendly relationship with john. Locke which mr young now you sort of loved that this passing the baton in a way of like this is going to be the next complicated character that lock is going to have a huge ties like theological discussions and debates with. Yeah exactly and there's also this idea that lock earlier on the season followed echoes. Stick to the letter and the law. Which again is a representation of this guy's faith and this is going to be a big time adjoins character as well when they say that maybe one of the reasons why he got healed and someone like ben did it because of his unwavering faith to the island so i don't know whether or not in means to be a callback to stick but i feel like it for lack of a better term echoes. Really well considering locked ship with that character before him mike. I'm having such a good time. And just kinda sit like all my god so much. This is so good. That's great love that and he's saying it's so great to have you here john. I gotta be honest. I couldn't feel my toes and then you show up and i could feel pins and needles in like oh my god this is just the beginning and then i'm like oh that surgery pain is coming back. There were so many needles so many news but he's just like being like john. The you know the sky's the limit for you and the purple skies only thing is. There's just one thing that guy the one that we have tied to the pole in the middle of all of this. We got to probably do something about that. Because as long as he's here you'll never be free. Release the whole that. Your father has over you. i should know. Why don't you go check that doorman that your buddies started up a little while ago. Either there is this like there. Is this piece of like maybe some authenticity of like ben actually believing that lake john locke is not look at this guy. He's i killed my dad. I killed my dad. And i lost no sleep over it. I killed my dad for the cause and lost. Not a minute of sleep in. This guy is not going to be able to do it. Where why is it. Is it all a gambit or is there like a bit of like again in the way. That benjamin linus relates to people like looking at locked inability to kill cooper and being like you loser. Yeah i mean to a certain extent. It's been pulling a christian and telling lock you just don't have what it takes Very much very much that a so. Why did he think this guy came your anyway. It looks like i don't know why don't you take me to the magic box and telling me because the boxes of the metaphor ben martell. I mean that's really the time. Traveling element is ben. looks forward. Martell would be very nonplussed by that and it was making a direct comment to him. It was a metaphor the whole time. Leave it alone. Leave it alone so he tells them danny's like all right. You're gonna you're gonna need to make a gesture of free will and commitment john. You're going to have to kill your father and this doesn't sound like free will to me and that's exactly you're placing an order on him. That's exactly what i was saying before. Right he is he is trying to say. Oh you're doing this. You know this is mandating you to do this. But it's a choice you have to make. This is ben linus rulebook where he is keeping people subjugated by making them believe that they are they're making choices out of the kindness or lack thereof of their heart. But at the same time. They're always doing it in service to him whether they realize it or not one hundred percent. So the flashback. Ends with lock's staring at his dad across the way and his dad's he's gagged up his time he's just looking at lock you can only imagine what he's thinking in that moment. Nothing good back at. The beach tries gathering supplies from the kitchen tax. I heard about the camping trip. Why didn't you call me. i would've gone. I can tell you all my stories about yeah. I'm pretty good at making marshmallows mars. Yeah i was like what other kinds. moore's are. there will accept a. It'd be like all he would do is just make pasta. Like that's all he did was make pasta. Talk about pasta. I make a mean campfire angel. Angel agile pizza graham crackers with angel hair pasta and we've had a lot of weird food hypotheticals that ones among the jack and moore's angel hair awful that's more end so that didn't get the invite and then there with desmond have. Maybe we should tell jack. Look i wouldn't trust jack that dude's pal around with your girl. Juliet these these others are not to be trusted. That's why i let them go last week and also like she seems to be doing totally fine. Maybe doesn't need a doctor anymore. Like is like you know. Mikhail did seem to puffer up and she's doing fine and she's like talking and stuff and she's conscious so we don't need the doctor yet. Get me someone who could do trust because the stakes are really high. And they'll have a very good answer to who they can trust in just a little while so a source from a logistical perspective. Do we assume that when they caught a hurley and jin clinical peeing. The campers move naomi to attend to under the cloak of night and just nobody was aroused because of it. Yeah i think that's right. These guys are super celtic. If we had enough points. I think he give it another. Mvp to everybody on the campaign trail. I cannot believe that kept this thing hidden considering life. Naomi i guess for staying because otherwise you can let it like moans of agony people be like oh i mean gawkers were gawking at much less on eight one five if i heard like maybe this explains the time jim maybe they were all just hanging out in the woods for a couple of days until like naomi. Stop like crying like okay. I'm good to go. Yeah exactly and they're like why. Why does it sound like there's duolingo app going in your tent. We're like five different languages being spoken it. Yeah don't worry about that. Don't worry about it it's fine. It's fine go goals. Go washer redshirt jack. All right. let's get to where i extensive sound of the episode it is. It's going to be james ford barefoot foot barefoot contessa himself walking through the jungle. Johnny lock still holding it. One assumes because he got to deliver that on that he cooper and sawyer and locker can have conversations are going to get pretty intense pretty quickly. What's listening should have put some shoes. Think what else is file. Got on not much. Your parents died when you were very young. But it doesn't say why your father your mother or why. He turned the gun on himself. Must have hard for you in your what else high school transcripts criminal record called con jobs were arrested or i guess. That's why you use an alias. Why did you choose the name sawyer eastern guy and maybe you heard about it with a number painting on take him. she's gonna follow. You have to trust. Where are you taking. Tony's a truth when he wants to bring you there. Do exactly what i said to kill ben. Why don't you come back to get me. why me. why won't you do it. yourself james. please don't tell me james. Why won't you do it yourself for you. Go to wherever you got him. But then we're bringing him back to our camp. I killing nobody. You understand me. And i understand which you'll change your mind when you hear what he has to say. Change your mind in obviously not represented in audio form. But those face on josh holloway. Because and the final scene in the act but as lock walks away like pans over to sawyers face which is extremely conflicted because lock busily calling them out like sawyer is saying this but he knows an lock knows that like there's a very good chance he is going to go back into go into his worst fear incisively because the man that he was right before the island shooting frank. Duck it because he knows that this is going to be something that he will. He doesn't want to kill anyone just one. If he doesn't he doesn't want to do that right but at the same time. I think he also knows like the type of person he is. Where okay if you if you were faced with the ability to get revenge on a very tasty temptation for someone like sawyer who to your point has tried to become a better man. Yeah i think. I think also you know there's the line. Don't call me james that in the audio but what you miss is before that before. He runs and tackles john after after john tells him like the file tells me that your parents died. When you were young but doesn't say why your father shot your mother or why. He turned the gun himself. That must have been hard for you and there is. There's a couple of things happening there. One from mike. John locke who understands what it's like to have such a profoundly sad and damaged and violent relationship with one's father that there's empathy there but there's also for for james who's not used to empathy being called james and having like this sort of paternal figure expressing that empty must be outstandingly unusual to the point of this never happened for him or even when kate read the letter i mean i think she certainly had some sympathy and empathy there. But i do not think she had. I don't think she said the words that locked it essentially of like from like coming from a man who could be your dad. I think that that that means something different. I think that hits differently. You see this is what i was going to say. You see this. In holloway's face the way that he crosses processes that information there. Is this like sadness there. Is this youthfulness. there is this there there. There's this visual expression of things. That he missed things that he never got things that he lost over the course of his life when when john brings all that up and then his face hardens again. Anyway go get back to that anger. And and that's what pushes him towards the towards the tackle. It's a beautiful seat in an episode that is filled with these great two handers. This is one of the best. I also love the symbolic. Let's go from feeders. Obviously it's built for comedy this moment where sawyer you know. He got called literally flat-footed on his way to p when when lock accosted him in the jungle so you obviously was not prepared for it but the imagery of sawyer walking barefoot through here is really interesting. I never going back to the anthony. Cooper hell of it all. It's an interesting idea. That like every step is agony. Because he's walking through the woods barefoot which is not a good thing to do even the best survivor players would would tell you that and i think when he sticks his feet later on. Let's outta sigh of relief. You can tell how much pain he is in from a physical and emotional perspective but it's actually very comparable to me of in. I think it was adrift. When we i see lock. Go into the swan right when he takes off his shoes. We tell you about a bit before the diehard comparison about how the guy on the plane tells john maclean just in time for christmas. Hey if you take off your shoes like that's how you get settled into your natural environment and lock. Does that whether he means to her when he enters the swan and sawyer is kind of left doing that here too where he has to find his natural setting. That's what it is entire. Arc is about this episode in order to do so yes to shed his clothes in a manner of speaking but also shed what he has has essentially built up for good amount of time on the island so far so good are back at the beach speaking of so good. Let's bring that dude count. Hurley comes up to sue side. Who's just burying stuff. And what is he doing because he maybe he's like preemptively. Maybe he's like. I know someone who dies soon. So let me just dig a hole ahead of time. I'm raking leaves. Hurley paid site because hey hurley and then there's no follow up at him for an unfortunate amount of time sade whose such a bad ass just like knows that something's so he turns around to hurley. Can you keep a secret inside. Just kind of like nods at him like you're talking to like obviously i can keep secret. I love goes with charlie to the tent athlete. So you haven't told jack yet and traffic no not yet inside just grabs him by both arms is good. Yeah i mean let's remember. This is still even though. Juliet read site for filth. In one of us. I think unlike sawyer he has he doesn't have sweet booth thing on the island at this moment. I think he's still probably fixated on this idea of like not to trust juliet. I think there's a lot going on here with saieed. Considering what happened with ben last season. I think he is much more hesitant to trust them. Unlike juliet knowing they had someone in their midst oh he was immediately onto his gut was right. Why wouldn't be right time. So i think it makes sense that he's not going to shake this anytime soon on top of that. The idea that even jack might be indoctrinated. Yeah for sure. Because i mean it happened with michael. So he doesn't know you know he's no way so far he has a completely aggies batting a thousand right now in terms of everyone he suspects is bad is usually bad and he's ultimately not wrong with with italian tire. Yeah she had every chance to. She had every intention to like you know. Take down eight hundred five from within. He was counting on her heel. Turn and so. He's and he's also not wrong to think. Like jack has blinders on juliet. Because at that moment like jack is not read on what juliette has going on with. Ben and he's also not wrong right now in the immediate future of like jack's keeping something from you know there's something we're not being told yet so there there is a degree of trust is broken between jack inside. He'd right now that i don't know if it ever fully gets repaired repaired to a degree and i think once they both like feel like they've got like active actual actionable plans to get off the island. They're able to figure that stuff out but right now it's busted so the way he comes to charlie's just like good. I'm glad you didn't the fact that when he gets brought into the tent and desmond takes one look at site perfect. Yeah yes that you read my mind. You got the exact right person to come in here. Yeah all right. Let's give a listen here to saieed first conversation. My name science johan understand. Your helicopter crashed onto the island. Actually it crashed in the woods. What's your name. Naomi naomi me for. What exactly did you take off. Ship prater eighteen article miles west of here part of the search and recovery team. You told my friends. The wreckage of flight one five was discovered. Did you mean the partial age. No they found the entire plane off the coast of bali in an ocean. Trench four miles deep down cameras in these little robots to survey the wreck. The buddies will there. Obviously so if you weren't looking for us were you looking for. My company was hired by woman named penelope week more. I don't know why i never met her. She gave was a set of core nuts. We'd be conducting differential. Gps grid jackson's new about the island island were given coordinates in the middle of the bloody ocean. We thought it was a fool's errand till three days ago. I was flying back for the ship when all of a sudden the clouds quit and i saw land instruments died spinning realized i was going down. So grab my shoe. And i bailed. Did you actually see copter. He think i'm lying night. I take it you have no means whatsoever of communicating with the reviewers. What was your name saieed. Guess remind me not to rescue you. Saieed jokes on your be dead. When i'm rescued. I love that line. I mean that's a rescue you site. Yeah she's so. I love this. Naomi even even like early on and he's like you know you crashing. This is he goes well. Technically i crashed in the water. Just samantha semantics. Let's talk about this for a second. Because i need a reminder josh if you were the hatchlings can can answer this for us picture. Why does naomi by that. She's there on behalf of penny could. It's obvious that she's not that. Obviously this was a this was a different whitmore that center there. But i can't remember what she given the narrative of like when you land. I don't remember. I don't remember if that's going to be in confirmed dead. If like here's here's the lie that you give people can definitely fill us in on that. But i can imagine at the very least like why not telling the truth because there's like kill orders. You're not telling the truth. I just wonder if she was given that lineup like specifically should bring any or she was just a penny does right penny set me. Yeah i i don't recall but i mean i know that they've got shoot to kill orders if i don't remember. Do they have to kill them all or is it just like we'll kill everybody if we need to. Yeah i feel like i feel. It might be the ladder and then once we get key me involved very much turns into the floor. We're just gonna kill it. Just carpet. Bomb the island's. Nancy gerard the best even though even though he's wrong that like she's got the thing like she's got the ability to communicate. He's just asking all the right questions. He's paying attention. He's an active listener. Everything like did you actually see the helicopter. The way that he's dealing with her as far as bedside manner. It's all very very very good. Site is a very worthy. Mvp of this episode. I think in terms of just like pure like Like a character's actions like he just plays all of this totally totally right well on top of that josh. He fixes this phone for a while they thought like oh was absolutely inoperable now. This is not nearly as much of a huge fix as he had to do to the transponder in in the pilot. But this is like shades of the professor sii that we saw in season. One the gather all of your electronics. Though i did find it very interesting. That hurley was the first to like identify. The satphone right what. It was but has no idea how it works right right. We wouldn't even tell you if we had this phone. I love the scene in this episode. All right back with. John james walking along they stop at the creaking. The one the only creek on the island. Yeah the nice little like a foot back foot bath creek. That's sawyer uses here as well too so this. This is the same creek that mr drank adam. I wonder how many other dirty feet help especially considering the other. 'cause play got imagine there's a lot of dirty feet trudging through those waters hundred percent hundred percent and so he's like. Hey could you tell me why you think i'm gonna kill ben. Why do you think it's why do you think that's going to happen. And i don't know. I don i don't ask me questions because then i'm just going to tell you like look. The guy killed your dad's my dad like you're going to love this. You're gonna wanna kill this guy. There is like so in in in in the in the spirit of them being by the water drinking water. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make drinks such as the smoke monster. In which case the that that horses need to drink water because it subsists on immortal evil smoke. John locke is a guy who from the moment that we've met him on this show certainly on the island is interested in in sharing. Spread the faith johnny right. Like he's a he's a guy who wants to share the wealth of like what he's feeling and these like ideas of miracles and small miracles and you to actualize yourself like giving charlie the choice of whether or not to become a to free himself to become the moth right and i think here with sawyer like he doesn't want to just come out and say it you know he. He wants to be able to go to that moment and make the choice and he believes that the answer that the proper answer and i think this is one of those places where like this is a very big sign that john locke does not necessarily have all the answers. Because i like murder. This man is not good. No no matter. What does the abbot coming absolutely. But like still the of murder. This man is kind of messed up but in his mind he is helping james sawyer. Ford it to actualize to become james board instead of being the rest of his life. So i think it's just a fair moment to stop down and remark on that. And also you know that being part and parcel with this moment from sawyer being like what you read in the file like it was a mistake. I thought he was somebody else like. I didn't mean to kill him. And this is what unlocks like well. Who did you and this is very of that mold of lock being like. I know something you don't know and you're gonna know it soon enough and you're going to make the choice and i am the shaman. Who led you there. Not only that but it also reminds sawyer of like yes. You may have killed the wrong man. You still have the urge to kill right. He of is calling out sawyer to his face like you say you're not a killer on you. Don't do this. But you literally did. Kill someone whether incidental or not you have this capacity and there's a very good chance the person that you see depending on what you see. You're going to do it again. Hundred percent alright. So another flashback. Three days ago. Ben's gonna lock up in the middle of the night. He's gonna bring them over to tony coops and lock it in my sleep. We already went to the river of dreams. We were just there Yeah the river of the fees. So he's going to bring him over so he's going to bring he's gonna bring lock over to his dad. He's going to give them a knife and this is what happens won't be easy. The quicker the better off. You're kidding me right. You expect him to kill me. Tom hesitation that you feeling is just the part of you. That still feels like he was a perfectly good explanation for stealing your kidney throwing you out of an eight storey window. Wanna be free from me. As a tation he's feeling is because is spineless. Don't think john you're wasting your time bug-eyed through this all. He wants his his dad. Served really haven't figured it out. God john a on this to me. You're doing this to yourself. As long as he's still breathing you'll still be that same sad pathetic little man that was kicked off his walkabout to her. Because you couldn't walk. I'll be the rest of the week. John if you change your mind. I'm sorry he's not who we thought he was There's a lot there. But i want to draw specific attention. I to you. The book ends of that sound. Which are both fantastic call. Because i we start off with ben giving lock a knife. Let's fast forward to the end of season five when quote unquote lock gives dead and knife literally at four o'clock to kill jacob and then the very end of the scene. Is ben taking a knife away from lock and saying he who thought he was. Let's flash forward or flash back to the apprehension cabin fever. Where of the many things john locke will be choosing to identify. What's you between a knife and a compass etc picks the wrong thing and that gives richard alpert essentially this idea of. He's not who i thought he was. He's not special and so it's some fantastic stuff. The not only calls back to what we've experienced so far with john locke but still shows for lack of a better term. The shape of things to come totally. Oh that was the perfect term to use Yeah i think all of that is very very apt. And i think like in like our long preamble before going into the episode proper short shifting ben a little bit but i think that's just a testament to how rich this episode is including how alberta today's and i think for ben there. There's a lot here. I think like both in terms of like planting some some flags in the ground of where he's been where he's going who he came with who. He's leaving with what his journey is going to be. And how it connects to either. John lock or lock the visage of john locke being a manifestation of the island. Let's talk about that. You know that that's a through line for john. Locke specifically terry quinn as a presence on the show so i think that that's all really really i for lock. It doesn't feel right. there's too much pressure. it's a reminder of who he was. He doesn't want that anymore. he can't bring himself to do it. He's always been so weak in the face of his father. the right answer hasn't clicked. It doesn't feel right. Yeah if this doesn't feel right but the island is going to give him a sign soon. That is going to tell them. Like no not only killing this guy right. But there's actually a very poetic way to do it and that's gonna turn this whole situation moving. I love ben sir. Being like The sideline coach to this as well and again. You have to wonder. How much of. This is ben building up this big moment to humiliate john how much this might be him projecting his own daddy issues. That being like this is how you kill your father. John this is how you do with you. do stab stabber to stereo. This is how you read. So i think there's some personal bias there but you know ben really digging into john locke i didn't get it to double edge sword double edged knife in that regard him trying to push john but also humiliating him by reminding him what just happened before he came onto the island. That like no matter. What no matter if this island things your special you were. The guy denied a walkabout tour. Because you couldn't walk and you gotta imagine there's again some some strategy behind what ben line is tries to do and it ends up working in a certain regard because as locke looks out at the other version of the gawkers day. Look pretty disenfranchised with this guy that they thought was the super special miracle-man. Yep yeah. Well i think also because like at this point. They're sort of like indoctrinated to believe that. Sort of this like google gobble. One of us like savage way or this lord of the flies in a type of society that that is why type of we decided that for brands when they commit wrongs yes. They're like shit like give us blood. We want blood. We demand a show. I think i think there's a measure of that. I think that another read when you look at the gawkers. This is the best group of gawkers we've encountered on losses. I think is because there's a lot loaded into the way that they are watching the situation is like are. They disappointed that. John locke isn't giving them the show or are they terrified of the show. Is this a moment where wake yet. They believe that there are special. Things happening out here on the island but this is really scary. And these are some of those moments where some of us aren't feeling necessarily like this is the right way to go. Of course there's the more militant others like like ryan price and all those people who are going to lead the charge on the camp in a few days and if you episodes from now but then there's also the indian the kids and the people who are of their ilk who don't necessarily want to like live under the reign of of an oppressive leader and yet they are part of this community and this community is run by leader and they don't necessarily have either a choice or at least an easy choice survivable choice potentially So it's it's a really loaded scene from from that standpoint of like who the others are. I think that there is an interpretation of this episode in terms of people who. Maybe don't care for it too much. That like if we're going to get these. John locke flashbacks to his time with the others. Couldn't we at least learn a little bit more about the others. I would argue that. I think that scene tells you a ton about the culture of the others in this present moment. Well not only that but you know they go to someplace old as ben said. It seems like they're going to some sort of set of ruins. They're on their way to the right. Exactly but everyone and not the past there on the rate of the poll. But i think that this is a good indication of maybe also looking ahead to what the leader of the island is going to turn out to be and whether or not he is completely good completely moral person how sometimes when you follow the edict of personal letter and to the law that involves maybe having to stare right in the face of something. That is a moral. i think. That's a really intriguing concept as well. And i think it's not. It's not ironic that this is set up on a set of ruins almost saying. Hey this is what could have happened in probably has happened in the past. This is what's happening now. And this is what will happen in the future under leaders like benjamin linus all right. Let's take a quick break here. We're going to stop down just a catcher. 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It's everything you love about the daily show except for the dimples but we are working on technology to make an audio version of those two. You can listen to the podcast. Monday to friday mornings everywhere. Podcasts are available daily. Show with trevor noah has addition subscribe now okay mic so We're we're we're on our way to the black rock and i think is a sawyer. First time seeing it's like. Hey first time yeah i mean. This is a nice digs. You've been holding out on me. Johnny boy blackrock club is it's very exclusive. I do like locked. Does again pull out a little bit of pedia here. I'm surprised he does not mention mozambique but this time he comes up with a theory that is incorrect. But he does say like. I'm pretty sure they came to the island firsthand to try to mine it for supplies right another thing again. This is just another like the continuity gaps or whatever. They don't bother me in this episode but it did it did. I did notice it for the first time is that. There's just a box that rousseau is going to grab a little while that's like a crate filled with ours is like just sweating right now. Like what are you doing but the crate says explosives on it. Is that what that would coming from. The eighteen seventy s. I'm not sure. Yeah you'd imagine if it'd probably be in britain in spanish because it was. Because i don't i don't think they were heading for the colonies at all. I think it's a good question. Maybe maybe i dunno someone getting someone multi-lingual maybe it says spa in spanish on the other side and they'd sorta like the french canadian they wanna put it in both languages for those that speak multiple tongues. I just think that's great That it's explosive. So they're surveying the black rock and sawyer gets brought to the brig where we're quote unquote benjamin lionesses amok killing them. Mark says all right. Sure whatever you say james and then locks them in the brig with the guy and source of what the hell man. What the hell are you serious. You're gonna you're gonna just trap me in here isn't cool. And then the other guys is screaming his head austerity that he takes the bag us. Would you just shut up. And then it just someone he's never seen before and the music spikes and if you didn't know it yet now definitely don't you know you don't know now you know that this is the guy this is the one it's happening it's real and maybe still like if you're like You know if you're not a deep cut nerd for it. If you haven't put it together you gotta be wondering like all right. Well why does lock think that sawyer would kill this guy and. I think that it's still going to be like if you've watched lost before and you've been watching the show but you haven't been going deep dive territory into it then you at least gotta remember that. Like sawyers whole stories that he took his name. You know from from the guy like they've been subtly reminding us of that in this episode. You know with with the walk and talk with lock with thing behind beside the river of feet. So they've been. They've been reminding us there at this point even the most casual fantastic shit. It's the seeing guy. Yup and they're locked in the room and this is far from a A sitcom trope of they're going to work out their differences in walked out arm in arm no to enters one leaves. Yeah all right so back at the beach side. Fixes the sat phone. That's really exciting. This is the moment where a her was like. What did you think about the fact that she said we're all is. Yeah one thing at a time. I can't do it that way too. Heavy to process as much as we should allow it onto site for this. They are out in the middle of the open with this satphone big secret. So that when kate understandably walks out on them like loudly talking about this they they really have nowhere to go into sites like. Can you keep a senior. And she's like well no. I'm not going to be able to do that. It doesn't look as long as there's no pictures of me going around doing things. I can keep a secret for at least a little while. I think also the fact that she is going to spill the beans in front of juliet. If not for the presence of anthony. Cooper i think there's a very compelling argument that kate deserves. Vp in this not a great streak of episodes for the tough tough tough tough all right so back in the black rock locks so just a nice little moment of like. What are you doing here dynamite. What about you screaming on the other side. Cool cool yeah. It's a it's a fun moment for the two characters who are very secretive in their own. Right and also it's going to be a nice little foreshadowing as rousseau's own involvement in the secret jack scheme that's gonna come up a couple of episodes from now. Yes so we're setting this up. We're we're getting things moving there so she gets the the box of explosives series bible creators. That's what i do think so. Meanwhile we got the penultimate flashback of the episode. Where john locke is sort of just sitting out on the on the hillside. Onesies when somebody's gonna come up to take a seat and have a little stop and chat with. John locke how much time you spend on the island. He just never get tired of that. We haven't been formally introduced. Richard you might have fun. Join you not sure he wanted to embarrass you. Sorry ben knew you weren't going. Kill your own. Father puts you in front of everyone in our camp just so they could all watch fail. Why because when we're back here that there was a man with a broken spine on the plane. Who could suddenly walk again. Well people here began to get very excited because that that could only happen to someone who was extremely special. Doesn't want anyone to think your special. John where you telling me. This event has been wasting our time with novelties. Like fertility problem with looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons. What do you want from me. I want for you to find your purpose to do. Your father has to go john since. You're not going to do massage. Someone else in your sawyer. Why would sawyer kill my father. He doesn't even know him braiding. This is a scene. Josh that has gained so much weight and significance watching the series. I mean i mean. I think about what richard is sort of convincing john to do in comparison to what i'm look as opposed to back in the day when john is going to convince richard to do something appearing essentially out of nowhere being like. Hey i'm going to be the leader of you in the future. Can you go find me as a little kid. And gary all this stuff. It's it's a nice little balance of that but also this is a bit of psychology into richard. Alpert is right now. Obviously there are things like him saying. Never get tired of the view. I'm assuming he really loves his panel. Talk show is and that's what he's really thinking but obviously that speaks to you know how much time he spent on the island. But i think. Richard's view of ben. I think is so much tied into his condition. The fact that this straw that appears to be breaking the camel's back or the polar bears back for. Richard is ben focusing on quote unquote fertility problems. Even make sense that a man who is immortal would not give a lick about facility problems. And i think ironically enough it is the humanity that ben linus is exploring in that moment that makes him an invaluable candidate to richard alpert. And so it's so interesting. Why he disqualifies sort of based on that notion and feels like. You don't need to concentrate on that. This is more about the sanctity of the island. As a whole the island will outlive. You will outlive all these women. And i want to find somebody who knows that. Yeah really really well put why this got me wondering a little bit more about like why ben is wasting. Everybody's time with novelty projects like the fertility issue. Did you have any thoughts about that. In terms of why. This is such a priority for benjamin. I don't know. I mean maybe this is got me thinking about the the idea of like lineage. And an air. Yeah you know whether it's whether it's like he wants to have a son he wants to. He envisions himself and juliet. Having a child together once this is resolved and this is the person who will inherit the empire or that. It's his daughter. Will produce the air that she gets to continue the line as it were the lioness lines even the name lioness. You know this is a guy who who might be very concerned with that idea of legacy and why. He's doing all of this in his proud full place. In all i actually. I've had that thought and it's going to really tied to next episode. Where benjamin linus wants a family be most demented version of family possible rights like people that are forced to be his family members but coming from a guy who had a terrible family life and make sense and now he wants to be able to sort of create his own family. And i do think that making sure that the people on the island can reproduce and continue to build that family tree for generations and generations to come is paramount for him otherwise he is dealing with a specific number of people that will eventually die out. And then what is he left with. Nobody like he was before. And so i do think while there might be just a power dynamic involved with hey give birth to more my subjects. I do think there is a very depraved. Idea of familial love for men. Linus of this is my family. This we're all on the commune here. In dharma ville you talked about serve that indoctrination but the others beforehand. I want the family to grow. I want to make sure that we are here. And then my legacy is remembered for years and years to come. Yeah it's it's It's really fascinating to chew on all of that and think about I think the idea of family and a sense of wanting to belong that that plagues ben and causes him to do so many things. I think he would borrow a line from jamie lancaster. The things we do for but then take a step back and think about that really monstrous thing that you did not love you l. Listen it's not a member of course lines thinking what i did for love. He's more than a minor key. I do think that the ideas of this of this scene being particularly resonant when you know the richard alpert journey a little bit better and this is one of those ways in which i think a a richard alpert forget like on a more micro level Chronologically lost but just very specifically. What is the richard alpert. Timeline look like strung out. In you know in sequential order up to this point i would be really compelled to look at at this because at this moment this is a guy who was a slave got brought to the island. He gets recruited to be the conciliaory. We we see him. Being working with charles whitmore. Mount a coup had the the others proper takeover the island. You know he's he's working with charles whitmore he as he's working with charles whitmore and i don't i don't think with is in charge at that point. I think it's like he's still like a kid. Be john locke show. I think him and elie. They'll are sort of part of that group that military group that like storms. The island takes jug. Head starts taking out those those quote unquote early versions of the hostels. Yes oh he's he's got like a relationship there. So this is now the fifties and a man named john locke is showing up. And saying you're gonna follow me some day and then he's going to. He's going to go and then lock is going to go and he's gonna say if you don't believe me go to this. This is where. And when i'm born and richards going to see it for himself and then he's going to come back couple years later and check out the in big so this is all true and then he's gonna be unsatisfied with the results. All of that is going to be happening. And it's all like so. All of that. History is in this scene with richard and john and i think like there is you know he's still like i don't know that he's still a skeptic necessarily but he's still not sure he understands that. This person is obviously extremely special because things are going to happen with him. That has not happened yet. But have happened for richard right like he knows that about sawyer to because he meets story in the seventies. so that's that's all very very very much not present in the writing of the scene probably necessarily but very much present in the re litigation of that. I will not only that you know. Richard has a very meaningful line. We haven't been formally introduced to the planet. Think it's a fun tongue in cheek thing like we'll actually they have but i do think cheer point. I think this is richard meeting. John locke for who he is because the two other times he was this rando guy who came out in the fifties and he was like this little baby and little kid who richard wasn't too confident and i think this is the first time that richard sees john locke for the man that he assumes he is going to become so. I do think that introduction actually is quite literal in that he has not really been introduced to. John locke until this moment. I think one of the reasons. It's one of the tragedies of of richard alpert is. He's he spends a large swath of his of his life. Kind of waiting for things to happen and waiting for life to happen in kind of like not even analyzing the possibility that like escape from the island is something that he can do yet. He can leave clearly because he leaves a bunch but he's still under the employee of the island. He can't have a life beyond it and he's here in this moment where he thinks like well. Maybe this will all be worth it. Because yeah john locks a candidate jacob richard and probably one of their coffee sessions like. Oh yeah no. That is a candidate for sure. He could be. He could be a guy here. He knows he specially knows. He's on jacobs radar and so he probably prides himself in this moment of like. He's helping to push lock towards the things that he knows are going to happen with lock because he's going to hop through time he sees all that stuff and then he's going to be pushing some of that stuff into practice in season five when the paradox happens with comes right when he when he goes on quote unquote locks orders to go and talk to john locke And he's going to be very confused about what he thinks. This is all part of it like it's all happening. And that's why he just like goes so crazy. And it's just like grief-stricken and like driven literally insane and suicidal. When he comes to realize that this was all the guy the first person he ever met on this island the malevolence the red wine in the bar right is has been has been man. His present his side. I before jacob so in the scene he's endeavouring to do something really good but it's actually really tragic what's happening here because essentially guaranteeing that this thing will come back. Yeah certain manner of speaking so like last week like the the decision that will come back around exactly the decision that you think is made for the good actually ends up turning out for the bad which again speaks of the point you made at the very beginning of you think you may be making decisions to quash down the bad stuff that might happen but sometimes there's a path that you just can't stray from alright so back the black rock sawyers going to un gag cooper. This is what we heard at the start of the episode. Important john boy and lock like then. You have a knife to my throat. Got me again. So we're going to get sawyer and anthony cooper Finally talking and we're gonna listen to the whole thing From the moment that they start speaking here all the way to the commercial break for the first part sawyer versus sawyer. Guess i didn't raise no dummies. Tell me means that ball headed bastard outside. The door is my saad my son. I'm his father. You do speak english. The island okay. I'm driving down. I ten through tallahassee when benn somebody's slams into the back of my car i go right into the divider at seventy miles an hour. The next thing i know the paramedics is strapping. Meteo gurney stuffy me in the back of an ambulance in one of them actually smiles at me as he pops the i and then nothing just black and the next thing i know i wake up in a dark room. Tied up gagging my mouth and when the door opens. I'm looking up at the same man. I threw out a window. John walk my son. He's dead because you throw him out a window now you survive that but it paralyzed permanently. He's dead because the plane was flying on crashed in the pacific bad news box. I was on that plane. He sure is how it wasn't cripple. We didn't crash in the pacific. We crashed here on this island. You sure it's an island. What else is it little hot for heaven. Okay so we're dead. They've found you play on the bottom of the ocean. One minute car wreck and the next minute. I'm in a pirate ship in the middle of the jungle. If this is hell friend then where are we talk out. He was becoming a nuisance in a given me one of his kidneys never got over cop. Conned combat goes by many names. I've been allen. Suid anthony cooper ted mclaren tom sawyer. Lewis jackson tops. I was young and huck finn was taken and the ladies love. That one made me charming out about one. Two aso josh. Is it just me. This might be. I might be like mandela affecting myself. Kevin tighe ever had like a southern affect china. What happens to me all the time. I always mean to clock it. And like i can't like i think like some sometimes i watched this episode and i think that oh my god. He's slipping into southern accent that he never had before. And this is the real anthony cooper who he is he himself a shape shifter right right like he's not the smoke monster but this do you know who he really or it could be instead a mirroring tactic which is probably easily used by con men to right he sees like this guy with his alabama accent and i like oh yeah i guess i'm a southern gentleman as well but i don't know when he's like when i'm watching it like there have been times where i've watched the southern drawl isn't really there and then i hear it or i watch it and it's like it's like laurel yanni where sometimes i see it. And sometimes they dug a particularly whether it comes and goes the one where i really here it is tom sawyer. Like yeah and i also. It's coming when when a when he's when he goes mary i remember her is how i how. I always hear it whether or not. That's what he's saying. This scene is awesome interros. He 'cause i think that this is this is this was. This is the most evil the most evil person on the show up to this point barnum. There's been nothing redeemable about this guy. So what's about to happen is we're killing that guy. This guy is about to get killed off. And i think it goes back to that idea of what you can kill the boogeyman but there's another boogeyman waiting around the corner. You can kill a demon but it's wacko demon. You know it's it's still you're not. You're not exercising all the demons. From this house there's still poultry. There's going to be poltergeist to and i. It's the first time that i've ever in this moment here in the depths of the black rock in one of the most mysterious parts of the island one of the most significant pieces of mythology is getting wrapped up here. This idea of of anthony cooper as a smoke monster of sort as a as a as a shape shifter in his own right that that john locke is not going to become the thing he hates the most but the image of john locke is going to become the next evil shave shifter right on this show is is really really really powerful on just the transformation on sawyer of realizing what the hell is going on here what it is. That he's recognizing in this man of con- what do you what's your name and the tom sawyer and him putting into together and just like the cinematography in particular that they do a big close in on his face and i would say from huron. Now josh holloway. I don't think i can catch a shot in the next part of this episode. Where he's blinking at all and he can't even let his eyes off this man for because it's finally coming together. This is the one who he's been hunting after so long. You don't need a story or flashback in this in front of it's right there. It's a ghost story. You know this is the way in which sawyer has been haunted his entire life the flashbacks on this man's fate death the history is there exactly and we already know it so we don't really have any other information. I do love her bald headed bastard. That's just a fantastic short term for lock so let's talk about the tallahassee wreck here because we spoke about it a bit with edmund burke back in not in portland is that the others caused the crash. I would say it doesn't time out. But the paramedic that that anthony cooper speaking about some so much like ethan but unfortunately it does yeah. I don't think it's him but it does sound like him. But i think i think for sure i think again like when when ben's like i don't know how he got here You know you brought him here. John no they went and they were like oh john locks here. We're gonna need to manipulate that guy. Go get his dad that simple. That's an interesting pretty ballsy. Call for anthony. Cooper once had to leave tallahassee because he threw his son out a window and probably killed a guy but a few years later i can go back there. I think the heat's cooled down enough. That i can go stake another claim so there is really no surprise to me. That like You know the smoke monster is going to ultimately become known as the man in black very stephen king in that there is the man in black and the dark tower. Who goes by the name randall. Flagg who is also the villain of the stand and this idea. That stephen king is working something out with this character who's existing across so many of his stories. And i think this idea is existing here on lost as well and like a big version of it is happening with cooper this idea of just like this force evil this force of evil that is more elemental than than man. And that. yeah you can kill. It's like really is possession to a certain degree. Gosh what's that denzel washington movie fall where there's like the angel of darkness that is hopping around from person. To person. time is on your side. Yes it is and i think there's there are ideas of that in play here with anthony cooper being someone who's just like such a force of malevolence like beyond steven king type stuff like think like anton chagall force of nastiness and terrible time somehow able to evade recommend any turn but yeah and like like is this idea of this is how this man is acting in the pits of hell. Yeah if he believes that he's here like this like i don't give a shit of awful. I mean think about to turn into like events. Think about some of the people who are perpetrating. Some of the worst evils on our world. today who don't like come down with covert liked denying its existence and then just being like awful about it even in the wake of contracting the like this. That's what this is like. This is the this is the guy who's who knows who believes he knows he's in hell and yet is still acting. This way is so stunning because it's essentially like a bad version of a christmas carol. Right this scrooge. Wake you have a crisp wearing being like Fine burned down the orphanage. Yeah whatever whatever i did then so okay what now. I still got my money and then like okay. So i'm so. I'm gonna die alone. Oh well i've lived a good life but to that point. You just put this idea in my head josh. Talking about stephen king malevolent forces shape shifting. Josh is anthony. Cooper pennywise the clown but i mean that's sort of what's going on. Yeah it's the ability that he is able to take form of fear in so many regards permanently scar people's lives like a sawyer for example got his life torn apart by this person but he just moves on because that's just more stuff that he can feast upon it really is in that regard. I mean he was sort of standing in the sewer coercing little johnny lock to it so he could take prey. Br and take kidney right. And i think that speaks to this idea of him going back to tallahassee. What are they gonna do. Yeah exactly are they going to do. They're not gonna maybe if they do whatever. It is what he has to return every like seventeen years or so right right but i think that there's a because we want to like. I don't know we won. Wake humanize everybody and we want to believe that. Everybody is complicated. And everybody has their reason for being the way that they are so even like a villain needs to have like that three dimensional quality of why they are the way that they are sometimes evils. Just yeah sometimes something awful. Sometimes someone is just awful. And i think anthony. Cooper is a tremendous ambassador of this idea not alone in this idea and i think maybe one of the reasons why if the man in black and the smoke monster fails for people in the in the final balance of this show. It's because maybe it's that attempt to humanize them. And i think we can. We can explore that when we get there further on. But they never attempt to do that. With anthony. Cooper i think it is an astoundingly wise choice because it there there there is. There's a reason why this this episode is great but these scenes in the brig specifically are some of the best on lost is caused. It's it's very human and yet while they are talking about heaven and hell even if that's not where they are there is instantly this very mythical biblical quality to this stuff right that is represented in this utterly unforgiving unapologetic irredeemable man against somebody who believes himself to be irredeemable and his wildly wrong about his own. Self that's the thing as well as this is really an epiphany for sawyer in so many ways. Obviously but i think one of the textual ones is saying. I'm beating myself up saying i. I need to become the person who did all this. This is the guy. I don't think i look you know. Maybe if i'd stayed off the island this is who i could become a murray beating myself up for what i did. Off-island like imagine how much worse it could get. And i think that a lot of this is like the adrenaline stuff. I mean think about what's about to happen. He's not thinking about any of this stuff. Yeah it may be what he ends up chewing on in marinating on and meditating on a little bit as he moves on from here but right now he thinks that he has just been offered up the opportunity to fix everything. And it's not gonna go exactly the way that he wanted to go so we'll talk about that in a little bit. There's the flashback of the episode. The final flashback is is is locked with ben and their leading trying to put me in my place. He's like oh. I would ask and it's fun because you know this is something you think that lock was putting this exclusive club and left behind right. If they left saieed and kate and jack and juliet behind and lock out to be part of this club but no it turns out that ben just discards him like he did the rest of them basically telling your no more special than the people that you left behind even uneven gets to pera john locks online which i can't tell if that's purposeful. I know ben has a lot of intel on. John locke but i don't think he knows his catchphrase. Yeah i don't think so either. Or maybe because he knows about the walkabout maybe troy's and was under their employees or maybe they were able to say. It's like yeah. This guy was crazy. Can't just shouting at me and my office don't tell me when i can and can't troy. Oj yeah could be could be or at least like the ao jays interviewed him. Hey what what. What was up with that guy. They started you like profiling like everyone who john locke has come in contact. Eddie from the commune they talk with. Helen yeah. I don't think it's totally unreasonable. To think that some of the ao jays had is on the eight one fibers in the lead-up to the crap like just like surveying them from a distance or even or even once it happens beforehand right like you know as as ben. We see this in one of us. Where ben asked mikhail to start getting files on them they could they could possibly said. Forget some boots on the ground to do some research while this is going on of like all right. Let's see what john locke was doing before this. Let's see what sort of doing. Oh he did get arrested for headbutting. The minister of agriculture by here before that he shot a nice ban on a shrimp truck. Let's talk more about the exactly exactly. So ben's going to tell locke will leave a trail. Don't bother following us unless you've got your your father's body on your back like noted. Let's close out. Let's go back to the brig without further ado sawyer versus sawyer. Final round somehow. Ever been to. Jasper why you're having you. Yeah i've been jasper. Don't tell me. I'm your daddy. Daddy missed a soya is just right. You don't know who i am. But i know who you and i know what you've done. You had sex with my ma and then you stole my dad's money all the way. So he got angry and he killed by mother then he killed himself is supposed to be you. You wrote this letter. Wait a second. Did you take my name because you were on some kind of revenge kick pre easy. Don't get all worked up. Look iran that con two dozen times. If your mother was one of the her name was mary jasper alabama. I remember She practically begged me to take thirty eight thousand dollars and to rescue her from sarah. Little life mood finished. Look i only took the money. It ain't my fault. Your dad overreacted. If he pulled the old murder suicide then. I'm sure it's down here somewhere. Maybe you could take this up with him okay. Yeah and we're gonna cut there because it's just a lot of choking and strangulation at this point forward but it is it is it is also. I'm thinking for the very first time. Mike as we're talking this through that john locke will die the exact same way that his father. Yes i think that is just so incredibly apt that it happens and also just the symbolic of being strangled as well. Anthony cooper is somebody who not only love to use that throat to guild that silver tongue but also he has had a stranglehold literally over to these men's live and also identified an interesting that is killed with chains from a slave boat considering that again sawyer and locke were both slaves of to this man exactly so i think it's very pertinent but i love that really great. Call out on your part that this is also john locke is going to be someone who loses his voice. He gets cut off from the world and being cut off from his air supply. My god a eighty your. Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight. You know that's happened. This is like it is just darkness. Malevolence there is something ancient in here. And it's just it's channeled through this awful awful man and it's cosmic and it's so messed up. Dude this is this is fight me. This is one of the very best episodes of anything let alone lost i. This is the most fun. I've had talking about the themes of the show very long time. Maybe i it's just. It's so rich. It's so i think this is probably one of the most satisfying scenes in loss of income. Because again because it's not but but satisfying such a is such. A is such a choice of word. Because i think you're right but it's not satisfying for the for the reality. Nobody's hooting and hollering. Anthony cooper is dead good job sawyer. Because there's some darkness to their of like. He did look where he went. He broke bad in speaking. He did what he swore he would never do again and he was pushed to do so. But i think this is from a plot perspective extremely satisfied because this is a thread has been out there josh. Since the eighth episode of the show back in the fall of two thousand four this thing was out there. And what i love about. It is even when again going back to that. Come in like. Oh it's predictable. This ending is not to have a again. You would think that that that cooper would have this this scroogiest moment raise like. Oh my god. What have i done. He says bla-bla-bla shrugs off what sawyer. Tears the letter up because like he doesn't care if i'm already dead. Send me down to the next level of health exactly but this is the sawyer has poured over and has has officially become his own contract for life. For and actually in anthony cooper tearing up that contract that causes sore to sort of break free from it in a way like signs his own death warrant from that piece. But to cooper have cooper shrugged this off again like you said this is not what sawyer thought it would be thought it would be. He reads the thing inigo montoya style and he gets him groveling. I want my father back you son of a bitch. He doesn't ask but instead cooper's like you're one of many that this has been done to all. I'm really sorry gives the most like pithy of apologies. And then he's he's shrugs off his dad saying his dad quote unquote reacted by doing a murder suicide and and ruining sawyers life. And then on top of that. He tears off his tears up this representation of his past that causes sawyer to go grow. And then there's a beautiful musical moment. Where obviously you know once. Cooper's done locks in and incomes. Our old friend locked out again the day of sex mock music and it's just a brilliant call back to like. Did this almost soaring sense yet. Soaring yet. Sad is an interesting way to describe this scene where this is sawyer. Getting a monkey off his back that has been there for his entire life but at what cost. Yeah but like did he think that that's the thing is like i think for lock. He did. I think he got that off of lock at this moment and i think lock will be blindsided by the fact that there are other monkeys to crawl up on just one monkey. There's a there's a whole army out there. And i think that sawyer is going to feel the depths of this lesson sooner of what i thought i always wanted is not good for me at all. It's not good for this. Was this was very very bad. I gotta i gotta go puke guts up because this was all. There's something about josh holloway's performance. The musicality of it is so unique. And you here in these past couple of clubs especially when he comes to the realization sawyer and cooper as well this is sort of how he and unintentionally got like the conmen. Musicality is so llegado. It's so smooth where you just sort of. Stay on one thing. There's no real pops you just talk through your sentences because you're really trying to convince everyone that your your natural easygoing person so they'll do whatever you want them to do but with a capital t. That rhymes with that's exactly. They'll die on that herald tail. But i think that sawyer in the brig. He is short his gruff. He's blunt and he is percussive ve with all the things like just the way he is then. It is so dan so distinct. Exactly to the to the rhythm. I do you think sawyer. An indifferent universe throws anthony cooper over a down pit godspeed entity cooper's grandchild pops up several years down the line but i think that it's such a different tone and rhythm to this character that again you could tell he's been thrown off rhythm here and the line i've been to don't tell me i'm your daddy anthony cooper. You are his father more than you think he is. Because again i would say that this man determine the course of sawyers live more so than his own father did. yeah for sure for sure. I think also like the music connecting back to lock off once again shows a way to like emotionally musically thematically just on vibe wavelength link. What just happened back to john. That yet this flashed. The flashback is on lock but but shouldn't have been on sawyer. Kosor here's the guy who killed cooper he was. This was an assist. This was it this was this was locked just killed his father lock used this man. He sat patiently. Listened to the whole thing and walks in and sees the body on the floor and thanks sawyer for it's like thanking a gun for firing exactly no. Yeah and i think as well that i love the use of this is that again really prominently imperfectly comes up at the end of day mocking up because this is the full circle moment right ever since. Then lock got duped by this man that he let into his life and ever since then he has been searching for his own sort of form of at. I think at least emotional reconciliation. I don't think he's gonna be like i'm out to kill my father but he just wanted to know why and then once he wasn't given that answer of why he was adamant on making sure that this man did not cause any more misery in anyone else's life and this is an opportunity for him to revisit that john locke with hair frying bang on his volkswagen bug. And being like it did get better. You'll you'll become a better person because of this it's finally over and to your point. The tragedy is it's just getting started for. John locke yeah it's just getting started like potion recaps and it's great and it's great and it's excellent and just like the merry merry from jasper. I remember her. Like i heard it again. It's so evil. Also i know there's the continuity gaffe i forget what sawyers mother's name was once upon a time but it wasn't mary they come here maybe column until i don't know who cares who cares. It doesn't matter when you're in the face of this josh holloway in exceptional actor -tario quinn and exceptional actor kevin tighe exceptional actor is exceptionally directed. This is exceptionally written. It's exceptionally scored. It is so satisfying narrative. We just as much as we are. You know we're we're approaching the end of act one right if we keep at least i keep talking about loss like it's two bucks it's to acts. It's it's before the flash forward it's after the flash forward and we're barreling towards that conclusion it makes sense that achieve antagonised of that first book is dead here and it makes it just makes it all the more powerful an urgent forward to where we are in the show right now and just leaves us with so many powerful dark huge questions about what it means to be alive what it means to be angry. What anger can do for you. Anger does to you. It's huge the ramifications of this. So that's why that's why i feel like it. Satisfying it satisfying. Because it is so bitterly unsatisfied. I love that. Yeah that's pure poetry. And i would love to hear from people as well the first time they were watching this episode. Did they think anthony. Cooper was going to die. Because i wonder if that's a thing as well as to you know. Was this particularly shocking to your point up to up to the stage. Ben was probably like obviously the biggest bad most immediate bad. But someone like anthony. Cooper had been such a huge nemesis of flashbacks bringing him onto the island. Do you think he had a limited lifespan or their chance of bringing like you said like the big act one summer when you play video game writing you face off with the boss halfway through and you're like okay now what happens. Oh there was a much bigger guy puppeteer in this guy the entire time. We're gonna have to face them now. That sort of happens here. Yeah alright oh god. Let's let's let's dig into it like a nice a weird meat. Patty that gillian jacker eating in the next scene. Yes they're like eating something like sausage. Some bore sausage. This leftover like dharma supply like of oven patties. Dr michelle kutaragi board that. they're eating. They missed the burgers shows. Like hey can i talk to you and jackson. Yeah juliette has to be your kids like that's such a great idea enjoy. it's yeah i don't either induct like anything you want to say to me. And it's like all right. Well let me tell you all this stuff that she shouldn't here in this point so juliette has told jack right so this is jack has anything you can say in front of me. You can say in front of her. It's because they're in officially and linked together to take down the others. Yeah i think so at this point. I think that that also is service of if there's like a bit of a time jump post. Do see at this point makes a lot of sense to me that they have They've talked things through a little bit more. Like yeah this has been happening. I'm i don't wanna be any part of it. And also i think maybe we have an opportunity to wipe out the seventy reporter two days back in time and then move from there But yeah so. He's asking her a bunch of questions. Like why tell anyone telling means it. No one trusts you man. Why you talking to her all the time and also and also when i come in you say things like you could save what you want to say to me in front of know just you manners so schedule so saas right now. I'm glad that someone brings up granted you know again. Kate immediately spilling the details if juliette was indeed still with the others. Not a great. Look but. I'm glad. Somebody finally tells jack jack. You're super suspect. Nobody's tip definitely the impostor. I was doing my stuff in electrical audio. I was juliet. Saw me doing my visual tasks. Juliet either. I think she saw a lot of problems. Swiping the card. You know that in the chains and hydra what listen among us if you can somehow get among us loss crossover. We're all the rooms are dharma's stations. I think we're supposed to happen very here for anyway. So ju it's how do we tell her gently nothing as well. So here's here's the thing is that i think. In retrospect i'm gonna say this more efficiently than finally finally comes to an end soon as next episode. I think if there's one thing that is not particularly working for me in this last batch of episodes it's the whole like can we or can we not trust jack arc like you said i understand how in the moment is very invigorating. A black yeah. We really don't know when to trust him but now that we know we can it. Just sometimes it feels like moments like this where it's like all right. We're doing this just for the sake of that. That this doesn't feel necessarily a substantial. I hear that. And i mostly agree and it to play cooper adds to rebrand it i would. I would say that. This idea of like feeling alienated from jack also helps us to feel alienated from a potential jack in the past who was like such a wreck that he could of been doing all the things that he ends up doing in the but as point i think yeah i think may maybe it helps to bolster the surprise of through the looking glass. But it's too that it's to that idea that we were talking about earlier of like but how does that play in. Terms of rewatch ability. And i will concede the point that a lot of the jack step in season three is really i walk and maybe is a little bit dulled on watch number two and it's actually kind of similar to never man. I was going to go down on point with jack. Bauer we don't jack barrell one jacket a time. That's my new show. That's coming to networks. Yeah it's going to be canceled after multiple attempts to save. Its life this thing that let's go to the end. James has just come out of the black rock puked guts. New guys in the back. You can his guts out sore throws up and john locke is gonna come up to him and we will. We will ride this thing out. You can go back now. Why did you do. You ruined my life and you ruined yours. And he had it coming. Juliet is a mole. What she's working for ben. Who sent her back to find out which of our women were pregnant three days from. Now there's going to be right on the beach and they're going to take them. They say they don't want anyone to get hurt. You telling me so you can warn the cab. I'm not going back going back on the color. I was never undercover james on my own journey. Now even juliette is a mall. Ain't gonna believe me. I've been saying essence. She showed up there. Believe you now. I said true true that he threw you know that you are cripple anymore The brig is the best episode of loss. Don't well knowing your history of ami it's gonna end up becoming a thing later. turn the live like cable. You made this claim now. Oh wait it actually turns out to be a thing in the future. The brig is the best episode of lost. Do not at me hyper hyperbolic. Obviously but like there is. This is such an this immaculately crafted episode. John locke was immaculately conceived. Maybe not but this. This is an immaculately crowded so as he would tell you this that happened. The we've talked so much about sawyer. I don't know what more there is to say. A lot of the stuff we've talked about is very present in that final conversation but this is all about. I say this is this is this is lock. The past two scenes were about slayer this is about lock and i think just to look attitude about this scene about this his his life just two words not anymore that that's all that's all it is because it's not anymore. Animal mammal ruin my life not anymore lock. It's very meaningful. Whenever lock in the past told someone about his condition and him coming clean to sawyer about it is maybe not necessarily meaning like. Oh i'm bringing you into this inner circle but i think more so him being like i'm no longer that guy who was in the wheelchair i don't give a lick if people know about and about that from me because i'm not that present anymore. I'm now john back. I'm very telling that the final the final movement of this episode is john locke with crocodile. Lock playing underneath which is like classic bad. Which i believe this to jim. Fell's point i believe the last time we actually heard. That song was all the way back in dais x. so it's a great symbol of how previously then. He was very much driven in his journey. Whatever he thought that was and it took all this time to bring him back to that point crocodile. Lock instead of like. What's the theme. That's playing underneath him in in london again you know. And so we've come a long way from that. A lot of these powerful lost episodes and with that leg mournful raging. Why have you done this to me. Aesthetic and so this is this is. John locke with that with that that mystical music playing underneath them. John locke with purpose. John locke who is driven a john locke who is all about the future who is not thinking about the past anymore literally picking up his dead father who broke his back onto his back and moving forward with the weight of the world office shoulders. It is exceptional for all those reasons. It is also incredibly effective in in making. You think that lock is now on this unbeatable journey so that you much like e. r. broadsided when he gets shot by ben at the end of the very next episode and left for dead and it is. It is the exact summary this idea of like you. Don't just beat a final boss and it's over you know it doesn't work that way. Things are more complicated than that. Yeah but it's it's exceptional. And i think in the ways that this is an episode where tragedy has just powerfully struck for sawyer tragedy has struck for john locke as well in many. Let's be on. Doesn't he does not read it that way and for him. There is a there is a world in which this is just like nothing but triumph. Yeah and i think that it's also the another thing to take away from this scene as well. Is you know lock giving slur. The tape recorder. Maybe we'll talk elsewhere. Where exactly that. Time travelling tape recorder but he essentially puts himself out to sawyer now as a free agent. He's infiltrating the others. He's not a spy he's done a mole a i'm on my own journey now. Do that. Juliet is a mole. Yeah and i think that again. Giving that fantastic quinn. Like depot sound of does so prominently but brewers more. This is going to inform a lot of. John locke as well like he's definitely going to help people in season five for instance. He's going to help the group of navigate through time travel but here on out lock is going to become the person who was all the way back in walkabout the mysterious man who sort of played by his own rules. He has now become that person again. He's finally become the person he's put himself forward as all the way back in and walkabout. And i think that's extremely meaningful granted. He is going to become much more of a rival. But jack and season four considering they're going to have opposite values in mind but right now john locke is essentially said to eight one five. He's like that. Part of my life is done including those people. I am ready to shed. My skin out into the jungle hopefully joined back with the others again and become that special person they want me to be but for now i am done eating borne hunting boar on a beach man. It's just it's awesome. And i think for for me as like a john locke stan who loves this character warts and all. I think that this is just. It's it's really of rewarding ending but just an endlessly rewarding episode. It's it's it's value has only increased in my estimation talking through. Winning was already sky. High finishing the degree. Because i think that in retrospect you come in like. Oh this is a big episode. Obviously the anthony cooeperation happened than anthony. Cooper dies but there is so much two and a half hours podcasts. Content worth baked into thematic structure. The character stuff that is so much of a richer episode even beyond. Its twist that i think. Even if you come in knowing what's going to happen it is an excellently crafted. An incredibly well performed episode. I mean the stuff in the black rock is almost like its own star. Trek play or like a no exit or a waiting for godot just with the darker ending of these three characters with very separate motivations and psychology interacting with one another. It's an episode. That also takes some time to stop down and not stop down in a way of like a catch twenty two or a. Do see might stuff still happens but it stops down to to bring us back to these characters. I'd have been missing for some time. It's just. I such an incredible time. And i think this is going to be the not the kickstart that we needed because again i think we had fun with the previous few episodes but this is something that raises season three to a whole new level. We're activated right now. Mike we're activated a very big way. Let's let's cut to some feedback here quickly before we start wrapping things up the great riley wigmore writes in and says i was afraid when i watched sawyer kill locks bother for the first time that it was going to go down a generic root of sawyer killed even if it was a bad person in emotionally charged. There's no going back from killing. He's bad again. I absolutely love how his moment plays for sawyers character and how it wraps up this part of his story and allows him to move forward from here and even if it does affect him as a character he doesn't regress it happens and then he moves on and continues on his character journey and his I mean hopefully my head cannon. They looked at what they did. With charlie and season two and said let's not do that again to rallies point you can you can go back in a manner of speaking but you can use that as a learning experience to move forward rather than sort of like bringing a character back to a really dark place i really unsavory place and then really doing nothing with it almost like forgiving and moving on realizing as others the mistake like you said this is going to profoundly i mean sawyer in through the looking glass for example it's kind of a broken distracted man still but knowing what he does become this has to be a seminal point to getting to the floor. I think that way in which to view it is like a recovering addict who feeds their addiction and then comes out on the other side of it being like what did i just. Oh god i broke my streak. Or whatever and i think that the way that he carries this forward as he continues as a character is like a lot of shame over. What just happened a lot of like a lot of emotion over what just happened. A lot of feeling like an inability to like share. What just happened with anybody again. So a loneliness. That comes with it. And i think those are the ways i wouldn't call it regression. Necessarily i think that it's like i think that a lot of progress and positive change comes out from from what's happened here but i think it's shameful moment for him in a way that like he knows like he feels it. He feels a very in a very like lonely way. But i think that he feels that pain and it's not just because he has not yet. I talk actually briefly about. Because i wanna talk about that but the behind the curtain has actually other number one speaking of p. So apparently 'cause there's there's featuring three d like loss in a day where they sort of track through the production process of an episode and basically lindelof originally described the concept of for a scene in which sawyer gets confront quote unquote the real slayer. Obviously a bit different from the break. In this case that takes place in a well which john locke will find himself down a couple seasons from now. And apparently sawyer would meet anthony. Cooper and richard malkin and sawyer. Will he'll say like he recalls malkin from somewhere which might indicate that actually malkin was the real sawyer obviously ya. This was the the the much better episode but thinking about the initial draft of. It's fun to see how we went from sawyer and richard malkin down well to the brig you guys can do better with richard market and you could try at least try. This was not good. That would have been interesting. Sort of rule of threes with balkan the wrecks shows have been raised by another shows up in an active episode. And then really come back yeah. I'm glad that he didn't come back here. I would've liked for them to figure it out. But i'm glad he didn't come out here. That'd be would be really bad from riley's rivals to find find. Johnson writes in. Why does ben bring lock at all. The lock is a threat to his power and position. Why does he even bother to let john joined them. Is it just manipulate and embarrass him. I think some things are even out of a leaders control to a certain extent and look at what ben just had locked. Do benfield lock on the ropes. I don't think ben finds lock nearly as threatening at the end of the man from tallahassee as he doesn't the beginning and so i i. There's there's there's that but i also think like the if the people are as excited about john locke as they seem to be getting rid of john locke is not just as easy snapping your fingers. Yeah i mean that's that's true as well that like getting rid of lock could have the people questioning him and ben. Then's main motivation. I mean not main motivation but definitely one of them. It's like keep the people happy or at least under the guise of ben as this benefactor leader with an iron fist. And so yeah. I do wonder if getting rid of lock. Getting him off. The table would raise maybe too many questions that might get people suspicious of ben. This is from daniel. Brennan guys like the decision to keep lock off screen for several weeks to set up the brig and the man behind the curtain. I will vote. It's so interesting because like you said we're gonna get an immediate follow up to block next week but then there's going to be a little bit of a disappearance for lock again until the end so it's almost like a can necessarily answer. Do i like this gap and more. So maybe i'll put a pin in this and address in our season three feedback show of what we feel about the use in particular timing of someone like john locke because his appearances in season three and real prominence are sort of spotty and i think in comparison to seasons one and two. It's a definitive choice. And it also compared to his roles in seasons four and five or again he is going to play a major role. It definitely is an outlier. Yeah i like though. I think like a lot of the power of this doesn't doesn't occur without sort of the mysterious aspect and i also think that you know this is an instance where like keeping lock and remove. I think is more successful even on the rewatch than it is with. And i also feel like in comparison to things like Expose or the other forty eight days or maternity leave. I'm fine with them. Not necessarily addressing like things that connected back to the main island with the exception of the tape recorder because it also shows that again the others are off on their own mission. And how much of a weird cultish mysterious group. They are that even with all the stuff with naomi and desmond's flashes and everything going on with juliet. They're off doing their own thing. That does not necessarily cross paths with eight one. Five until lock literally does mike. What stood the twenty three points. Let's get into the points and let's just you know the easy one out of the way. All the elderly people are going to tony cooper from both me and from us. That's five points to recognize. Think i guess we'll see. What the coma toes cooper and season sex but this might be a wrap for him incentives appoints. Yeah we'll see but if it is. Then he goes out with an astonishing negative eighteen anthony cooper so he is our anchor at the moment causes to him as picket by with negative ten. I don't. I don't think anyone is going to come even close to rivalling anthony with the hell before the end of season three. I think he's got a guy. I think is is the the basement level right now. He is in hell. he's in a little hot. But you want to go to hell. You wanna go to hell. You ain't enjoy era your lovely sweat lodge here. So let's let's go to the mvp because this is really interesting. So i'm going to my first point here to lock. I know that he does not have as much of a little direct hand in this episode of someone like sawyer. But doesn't he. You know lock lock alternately succeeds in his goal and like you said even though what looms afterwards is going to be quite larger. He ends up succeeding in this goal. You know. I think he's going to reap the benefits more next episode. So maybe this little bit of going into the man behind the curtain as well but lock is able to finally do this not anymore. So i'm gonna give him an mvp point here totally fair. I'm giving a point to sawyer. Even if he's coming to you know if he's feeding the beast. I think he is based with some really difficult stuff here. I feel i feel. I feel really horrible for him in this episode. I think josh holloway delivers an exceptional performance. In this think i think it's by far the deepest. We have seen him. Honestly since the original confidence man episode have we have we know. Josh holloway is incredible and he brings what he what he has to interpret the character of soya but i do not think we have seen him give as much of a nuance and frankly beautiful performance since we first found out about the g. sawyer. You know it's hard. I'm trying to. I'm trying to think. Is there anything that really nothing really right. Outlaws is a good one too because we have the duality of him with duck it and like him to as he does versus the smoothness yet conflicted. -ness of the i never game but again when it comes to like plumbing the depths of this character i think it is tough to things like sawyer saying he deserves to get tortured or him watching. Kate read the letter back to him. I think about him nearly dying in. I do because your eyes freckles. All of that. I think is really just nothing rivaled. This is just this is just you know some series best acting for anybody on the show. Let alone all right. I'm going to give a point to richard alpert here. Because if we're talking in the laki terms about him sort of getting people to succeed on his goal. We talked about it before workshop. It's going to be able to to get the ball rolling against ban. Any starts this very important relationship with lock. He's the one that was sort of pulling the strings behind the guy pulling the strings here. Yeah i think that's fair. I gotta give my second. Mvp points this week. I'm going to get my second one to say. He fixes the radio. We'll call it the right guy. They called the right guy fixed. The phone saieed is once again proving why he's our. Mvp leader so far and to that point he is out in front with three points over hurley at the moment and he's clocking in at a loss number twenty three and who is precisely drool all right and i think he will end the sees it on twenty three though i think he has an others neck with his name. All over it coming up a little while from now we'll see there's so many points to give out. There might be hard. Let's this one. It's very easy for point completely agree this is this is this is a score buster for me if we were going to. I mean like you said like is necessarily perfect episode of loss there. There are some things that aren't exactly amazing. And i do think you could. Maybe like the weakest part is arguably the story stuff back at the camp. And i don't think it's so flagrantly off the mark that that it would bring it down to even a four point one thursday so much incredible stuff going on every cylinders firing from performances to directing to writing in this these big three characters or even incorporate like a ben and richard alpert as well. It's just such an incredibly important episode for not only these two characters but lost and just made me feel something and made me feel something everything and i have to make. I have to make a four point two. Because of that and our audience our audience was maybe a little more across the board then volt and maids three point nine overall actually four. I check the scores again. It's a four from the okay. So so i think that's our highest audience score so far because i believe flashes before your eyes was a three point nine and we we've flashes four point one unless oh really okay. Maybe maybe i'm an yeah. It's a four point one thousand. Maybe i you know what i went back in time and try to change the audience score and then thank you. Talking flashes is still the top of the season right. it's still number one for the season. it's four point. Sixteen with the four point sues from you and me on the brig and the four from the audience. It's a four point. Twelve a for the brig so it's the second best of the season so far i think after revisiting both of them very recently i think in my official rankings i have flashes higher. Put the brig again. The break has a canonical payoff. That flashes because it's so new doesn't have so it's sort of like it's a little bit like apples and oranges and what their intentions are but again this. This really brought me back to season. One of lost. I so many reasons and that pay off. Just really catapults side episode. Almost like with the way exodus will always be my favorite episode of the show is because there's so much pay off their from an entire story lies season's worth of storyline. Let me let me tell you something interesting. You ready the brig which is behind flashes before your eyes is ahead of every single episode of a of of season. Two of lost. I think except for maybe no. It's head of to say no to the road. I think was not more of a mixed bag. But i do not think maybe had as high of a universal commendation ahead of two for the road. I believe it is abc's in one only behind the pilot walkabout and i would. I would guess this is our is our number one yes exodus is our number one. It's followed by flashes. no exodus is number one. It's followed by the pilot. It's followed by flashes before your eyes. It's followed by walkabout the briggs top five lab. Well we'll we'll see we'll see at the moment at the moment and so. I think that that is what speaks so highly. Not just of this stretch that we're getting into but also this this very specific episode. My feeling is in in in re examining this one and thinking about it hand in hand with all those episodes that i just listed. I know that i put walkabout as the number one episode of lost that t. Hr rang. and. I still stand by it as like this really represents everything that's great about lost. I think if you were to put a gun to my head right now Because the gun wasn't loaded. I would i would. I got nothing but hype man. I'm the briggs biggest hype man at the moment the fact that even if it doesn't stay this way and it won't stay this way but the fact that right now it's top five. I love that. I think is so deserved. I think this episode is exceptional and the first time in a long time. Mike that we've gone nearly three hours on just a single episode of the might be similar runtime next week josh because we have the man behind the curtain and here it is finally the benjamin. Linus flashback episode. And this is what i. I'm very intrigued to look at it for a number of reasons because back in the day i normally were doing sort of like our episodic round robin stuff. The curtain was in my top ten episodes of lost ever. This is an episode that has always even more than than the break has profoundly stuck with me and permanently made benjamin linus one of my favorite lost characters have not scripted characters of all time and i am so so so excited to get to it for so many reasons you know we have been wondering for so long what has been story to the point. You brought up before like what's the deal we get it a bit in this episode and we find out how just truly demented ben is with a heart we get the first introduction of quote unquote jacob and cabin makes its appearance here and that ends with john locke shot on a pile of bodies. It's it's a. It's a bananas episode and it's fantastic. Follow up to this. When like you said we go from the triumph of john. Luk walking back to ben. Lyons with his father's body strewn over his shoulder to john locke possibly becoming a body himself amongst this pile of corpses. Yeah i remember walking away from the man behind the curtain like holy shit like just like in this huge like in a totally different visceral way than this episode. Yeah 'cause this is more for like a long con in terms of like a lot of tastic payoff for characters. This is more so again going back to life flashes before your eyes. They did something so cool. They did answer a question that we've been wondering for so long but there's so much new information beautifully presented that it's so well done can't wait we're wearing. We're in a really really incredible stress. We are in the best stretchable. Yeah so if a nearly three our podcast about the fourth to last episode of the season doesn't do that for you. I don't know what to tell you so. Get your feedback into the man behind the curtain. We're gonna drop that next week. Down the hatch at post show recaps dot com. Make sure you're sending in your ratings as well your scores your four point. Two stars for each episode. If you want to keep the conversation going with us might suggest the post show recaps patriot program where we've got our discord at the dollar level where we have a very lively discussions about not just lost about so many other things as we are recording. This a very lively marvel cinematic universe. Lot discussion biting news. It's good to be a pop. culture family. Got to watch some new marketing stuff. Come out that gives out very very exciting rumors. Then come on you talk about a very episode of exciting episode of lost mike. Is there anything else you'd like to get off your chest about. The poster recaps patron distraught. Nope i will. I will just say if you want to find out that inside joke. It's where i've been waiting a week to. I will not finish until everyone goes onto the patriot and checks out these circumstances behind that reference. All right sounds good. Mike what else do you have going on here. You filled in for me on mando with kevin mateo. Just telling you about another like simultaneously. Gut wrenching yet. Exhilarating episode a television mando is really about another strong stretch of episodes. It is firing on all cylinders so it was sad to be without you latonya but it got to pinch hit with kevin always really enjoy getting to like monologue for minutes on end about just how frigging fantastic. Mandalorian is right now. Also i call this all star week. Because i also of course. I'm covering star. Trek with the great jessica lease we are going into our big two part episode from the first like mid season two part episodes of star trek discovery yet. I have watched it already. All i will say. Actually it's it's already out by the time this is coming out. All i will say is actually has a lot in common with flashes before your eyes in many ways so for friends of loss. I think you'll get the reference when star trek discovery. And of course jackson. I will be back together recapping at all this weekend. Sounds fun. alright and we've got tons of other stuff happening here both on the main feed as well as the patron feed. Whether it's push recaps theater talking about that thing you do. Community building is happy gordon. Holmes talking about remedial chaos theory yet. Another thing that links to sort of flashes before your eyes and another episode. That's considered top shelf so just like a lot of great stuff happening in the podcast world right now really excited about everything that is going on super pumped to get back into some lost next week with the man behind the curtain until then everybody take care bye-bye.