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REShow: Billy Corben. Hour 3 (03-27-19)

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REShow: Billy Corben. Hour 3 (03-27-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Lows knows you do it right to take advantage of a good deal. Now, the dig into spring projects the first chance you can we do it right to with savings every day. Like twenty percent off. Select Scott's fertilizers one helps prevent weeds now and the other feature long later step of your backyard by adding a new patio and get Holland pavers three for one dollar whatever's on your spring to list, do it right for less. Start with Lowe's. Offers valid through three twenty-seven pavers offer valid in Hawaii letting varies by location. See store for details. US only. Hour number three of the rich Eisen show. We are on the air. Dave Roberts of the Los Angeles. Dodgers Cody joints manager dodgers opening day right here. Shabas ravine road across town and lovely Los Angeles, California tomorrow against the Arizona Diamondbacks. Boston Red Sox open tomorrow in Seattle. Great. Hey, man. Congratulations. Raise that banner. Now, I'm just excited home opener Fenway. They always have the patriots come out when they win the Super Bowl. So I'm guessing that's going to happen. Gronk will come out there with all the trophy the trophy six. Dean blandino the head of NFL refs before our river on the current NFL refs. Now Dini Fox News analyst came on our number two and said that he he's Jimmy's concern about last two minutes of football game. Doesn't know how it's gonna work what he called it. The most significant replay changed since they brought replay back in nineteen ninety nine and that in terms of unintended consequences in the same way that you could right now before the rule that was passed yesterday challenge. Whether a ball was tipped or not thus negating pass interference call 'cause you can hit anybody down the field. You want with the ball in the air. If it's been tipped already so ball's tipped defensive back in just do what he wants to. We can push receive a right over ball in the air. And if it's called pass interference. You could throw a challenge. Vikes ahead of ball was tipped you need to pick up that flag. And now what you can see is. Let's say it was ruled that the ball was tipped. And there was no pass interference on the play. Ruled you can go and replay and say the ball was in fact, not tip at all. And that should be. Pass interference. That's one way that you might see this rule rear its head. If you don't like it another way is somebody says, hey, you called defensive holding not wasn't. We're going to go underneath the hood and say ball's actually in the air. So it wasn't a defensive hold. It was pass into Fearance. So you need to give us yardage all the way down field or you could basically say it was pass interference. You call the pass interference against me. But it really was defensive holding because the ball wasn't in the area. Let's review that. And now you're team had had passed interference call against you. Can't have defensive holding called against because that's not reviewable. But it is reviewable that the ball was in the air. And thus. Mostly just wondering so much stuff. During games the defensive back is going to go over it as head coach. And be like I was interfered throw the the challenge five it was offense of interference on this. We will see it. But it still is something that coach will have to be judicious about because it has not brought the number of challenges has not been broadened. It's still to get a third for. And if you've already missed your first, you might wanna make sure that the second your damn sure about because you don't wanna be without challenge of the rest of the game. That's for sure. And I'm glad they added the two minute part. Because can't you see someone challenging hail Mary because everyone gets interfered with a hammer. I know so you'd better be careful too. Right. Then as offensive pass interference. All that said if it gets rid of what happened in the NFC champ game right now all four. We'll see how it works. I also just think the chances of that happening. What we saw in the championship game happening again are zero because we all saw what happened, and we also the consequences because of it that then again, I'm not willing to take that chance anymore. It was so bad. I mean, how the hell does that? How the hell did that happen? Right. Just to spend another twenty seconds on how they held that happen. How did nobody see that come on? So there has to be something in place to make sure that that doesn't happen. Again. I see I think the embarrassment of what happened is enough. I don't think they needed to make a rule change eight four four zero four rich number to dial our poll question is what's the best basketball move all time and honor of he got being today anniversary today who's running away with the correct forty six percent hoosiers. And I say it's the best sports movie of all time now. The American Film Institute. The venerable af in two thousand thirteen listed the best sports movies of all time. Right. Correct. And who's is fourth on the list for the Hine raging bull. Rocky and the pride of the Yankees. Now, you could say proud of the Anki better than hoosiers. I have not seen it in forever and a day may okay? Maybe I should look at it again. But you know, my stance on Rockies, not a sports movie. It is a love story and raging bull is not a sports movie come on. It's about Jake lamotta who happens to be a boxer and some of the boxing scenes are incredible. But that's not like, hey, you wanna see a sports movie tonight? Sure put on raging bull. Shack. Raging bull reading tough rewatch raging bull is somebody tweeted out while I was whilst I was out of office. Okay, about if you're on an island like what's your five movies at you, you you'd have your three of them three of my father, deniro movies, goodfellas, goodfellas and midnight run. Okay. So that's the way feel about deniro. Even I'm saying hoosiers, the best sports movie ever. Was Rudy on that list? No Rudy nominally. All right. Billy Corbin is joining us sports documentarian of note to say, the least he is here to talk about his new documentary on the biogenesis steroid scandal that cost a rod two hundred eleven games. Eventually just the two thousand fourteen season four hundred twenty two million dollars. And and also his reputation that he has remarkably restored and rebuilt. Crazy. All right. Billy corbin's joining us here in in in short order. Let's let's get in a news update. Brought to you by our friends at Hauge. Brockman with a live report. Rock men with the new brought to you by the hundred dream garage spring about where you can get a great deal on the Honda of your dreams. Available Honda sensing loads of hi tech features. You don't wanna miss out on these deals headed your local Honda dealer today. What do you have over there? Christopher. So we heard some hilarious quotes yesterday from the coaches brunch from Bill Belichick and Jon Gruden. Well, this one really made me laugh. Freddie kitchens. New browns. Coach was asked about what he's going to say to Odal Beckham when they finally meet. What would be the first thing you say win. I love you. Like show me how to catch the ball. I don't know. I mean, just I mean introduce myself and get rolling on getting know him as a person he is the anti Hugh Jackson. The anti Hugh. He it really is. I know it's great. So del responded. So del responded the Browns posted out that exchange that we just saw del couple of crying faces Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun. He's again if he handles the in game. Coaching decisions. Well, the Wenda challenge not to challenge Wendy us timeouts clock management if he handles that with a Plum. The the Browns are I mean, they're they're they're set because the way I it's it's he's the as I said the anti Hugh Jackson does not appear to be a political power crazed bone in his body. He's a member of the dog. He does not appear to be that at all. He's just a guy that's gonna grind tape. Make sure the Baker Mayfield gets what he needs make sure that these guys are fed and happy and go to work. Can't wait to see it. Can't wait to see a play off two one win the Super Bowl. That's nuts. That's positively insane. That's craz-. All right. Speaking of insane. Dave Gettleman continues to defend E Y manning. Good morning football today said quote, I really believe there's been a false narrative out there that E Y is finished. He's done. He had a heck of a year talking about twenty eighteen he lies still quality NFL quarterback. It wears me out of really does. Here's the deal. This is the guy said that to keep defending Eli manning. Maybe there's something to know what the context of the question was could have been brought up. We have no idea if he was the one that starts having this on his lips. But he's the guy who said we did not resign Odell to trade him. And then they traded him. So he's a guy that could be literally within twenty eight days of acquiring Josh Rosen on a draft night. Maybe. Okay. He's also really on the hot seat this year who get on. I think so I mean, he's the guy that that. If if the the Washington Redskin secondary balls out this year and picks off ally. Manning. There's Gilman's fingerprints all over there by recinding. Josh norman's. Franchise tag and not giving when Alantic college is letting him walk. But else you have over there. Saw this rumor yesterday dolphins tried to make a blockbuster trade before last year for Matthew Stafford I heard that too brother who reported that finally went out and said something like that thought in the Miami Herald the Detroit Free Press. Okay. The line said, no how about cliff Kingsbury. How? Yes. So we got this story so quit Kingsbury thirty nine year old new head coach there Zona cardinals. He says he's going to implement cellphone breaks during meetings this year. He says I think coming from the college ranks these young men that got to be quick hitters twenty minutes at a time. Give them a break and get them back in. We wanna make sure we have them they're focused their walked in. And we're maximizing that time, and if we've got us put it up for shorter meetings. That's what we do. Okay. So how long will the cell phone breaks? The meeting time is going to be twenty to thirty minutes. And then they're going to take a little break if he can tell that attentions are awaiting because they. Can't figure out how to last longer than a half an hour show Twitter phone checking Twitter, go without checking your phone. Not that often. I mean, not that long. It's pretty attached. The you know that apple the new update has that screen time thing, I know checking your stash, I get it. I get it. I get it. I always feel good. When I when the new week comes out and it says down before good. Oh, I'll I'm I'm more than happy to share with my screen. Do right now. I think it something like eight hours, eight hours something like that. But I, you know, I need to keep up on things and you keep abreast of percents. It's part of the job. Our how how accurate? Oh, what what is your time yours double digits? Could you imagine imagine del tufo a screen time break on the rich Eisen show? Mic. Check it right now need one if jacket right now, if we told you that you can't look at your Twitter feed during the show while you're on the air as I'm judging be able to handle it might what's your screen time for today, if I lost interconnectivity with social media like during the screen during the show, I actually panicked when Facebook and Instagram went a couple of weeks ago. I know it happened. I know I was like oh my God happened on that happened on on the day of the new league year. I was always on the NFL network, set and Instagram was down. And I said on the air. I'm like if Instagram was down. Two weeks ago? Would it be possible that Antonio Brown is still the Pittsburgh Steelers? The Steelers are like now Instagram goes down couldn't happen while he was on the elliptical with his big chest. How would we have known where you went on vacation? Good. Reggie that and your nobody baby nobody baby couple of things a lot of people wanting the raiders on hard knocks. I know we're all one of them and our Davis still the SPN yesterday. It would be disruptive. Boy, we've got a lot of business to take care of getting ready for the season. I appreciate that. They might think we'd make great TV. But we got something to accomplish. Okay. The other eligible teams for hard knocks. The raiders are one of them lying forty Niners. Giants redskins. What guess what raiders hard knocks happening? And I'll tell you what Mark Davis. You don't like it. Here's part hard knocks. I want cameras NFL filled cameras going to the barber shop with you. I want to see how that thing. I wanna see what happens. It was. Then that the ball. It was right then that the mob took out a bowl place to the top of the head of our Davis's son and began cutting around the conference onto we got one of the EPA cast aisles of all time. All right. You gotta take a break early. Corbin's waiting. He knows about he knows how to make a documentary. Billy Corgan is on the rich Eisen show green room couch. Getting ready to join us there. He is. He is the director of the new documentary on biogenesis, and it's scandal. What an incredible story. This is in the way, he tells it is even better screwball and theories near you coming up shortly. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Every car comes with its share of stories that dang in your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package, you got after a big promotion or the mild you say by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch. How your car's details up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches, they bump up your value. High mileage you already knew it was gonna cost you. But now, you know how much danger while it's you can plan ahead. 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No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance with guy. Go. Projected increase in organic three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. I welcome back to the rich Eisen show. Not just to our listeners viewers on our radio stations and audience and be our live dot com for those just to our show on live dot com. I guess has been on the show before when he was promoting the documentary cocaine Cowboys a few years ago, his thirty for thirty on the u is some mossy stuff so is screwball. The documentary film about the biogenesis scandal from his native, Miami, Florida. Good to see a Billy Corgan. How are you brother? Great. Thanks. So let's get into this thing right here this documentary about the Tony Bosch scandal that got a rod year's suspension. Manny Ramirez got popped and milky Cabrera GOP popped. Why did you make this documentary? Billy actually in November of twenty thirteen. We were pitched by Alex Rodriguez. The oh, okay. So. This. You're laughing ready at that was okay. Because they can this documentary is not very what's the word for. It's not very complimentary to Alec getting an invitation to the wedding. If that's what you mean. Right. Yeah. So, but it's also extremely accurate. It's all very true. It's all exactly how it happened. Well, I mean the stories are being told by Tony Bosch or Dr Tony Bosch. Doctors quotes in quotes. Who was the one who is at the center of all of this. And his dad was the one was writing the prescriptions for these drugs and an also the fellow porter Fisher who was the one who leaked the documents so blower, the whistle blower, and these guys are telling the story from their own first person and your unique way in which you have them tell their stories we'll get to in a second. But this is absolutely straight from the horse's mouth that we're seeing right here. Yeah. Person. Why did Alex Rodriguez pitch? You this November of twenty thirteen. He was in the midst of the arbitration with an be he was the only one. Of the players involved in the biogenesis scandal that appealed his ascension. I guess why not what do you have to lose? It was the longest suspension in the history of the game. So when an eleven games you went for it. And so each took a break from that arbitrator and came down to his office in Coral Gables in the suburb, very affluent suburb of Miami, where the university of Miami's actually located Alex Rodriguez field is located and his publicity up and said, Alex would like to meet with you to discuss the possibility of doing tell all documentary, and I was like hell, yeah. I'll take that meeting. I thought we were going to do it real hush. Hush quiet at his office. And it turns out they wanted to meet us on a weekday at high noon at the most popular restaurant in town like the power lunch. Spot of Coral Gables, which is like two miles from UM, which if any anywhere, I'm gonna get recognized because of the documentaries. It's going to be a place that proximity UM. And so it was very clear that my producing partner. Alfred spellman I attended that event as like. Pawns in Alex's kind of PR offensive against MLB at the time. You remember it was like they were in a battle of the legacies C-league and Alex. Yeah. There is a whole story about how the protesters outside were actually paid for by Rodriguez on earth that was ever absolutely ultra mentored. Okay. So guy, and it was it was ugly. There was no other way to describe it. I think major league baseball has become like, I think everything else in American life, including politics. It's the WWE and back when C-league the steroid Commissioner was on his way out the door on the eve of his retirement was kinda like, well, maybe I should do something about this. Now that the scandal has erupted in two thousand thirteen talks to a second command. Rob Manfred says let's look like we're doing something about this. So they come down to Miami had this farcical investigation that involves the MLB investigators. They have like this internal FBI of like former cops they go. They sleep with a former nurse of Tony Bosch. One of his clinics. They're paying people off. They've got a slush fund of a hundred and twenty five thousand grand that they're buying stolen medical records in diner. From a convicted felon, the whole thing is just utterly absurd. And then they nail Alex is what bigger scalp can you get out Rodriguez, and then bud retires Rodman for takes over. And he goes, well, what's the story line? Now, what better than to make a he'll a hero and bring back not only a-rod, but Charlie hustle to to the game to become commentators and Pete Rose and who's out there anymore, of course. But like I worked I mean, it's a bottom line company. And it's a brilliant storyline. Are you saying major league baseball was orchestra has orchestrated to to? Well, what used to be two fifths of the people on the set of FOX baseball. What you're saying? I'm saying that it's awfully convenient. And it's awfully brilliant. I think Alex is spectacularly good at that job, his hustle at all. And so he's he's earned that position. Certainly lightened up. He's a lot funnier. Lot more self effacing, certainly more. So than the guy net for lunch in November of two thousand thirteen who was in a battle for his life. His legacy his career his livelihood, and who spent an hour and a half just lying right to our faces about everything ever meeting. Tony Bosch ever cheating or using performance enhancing drugs at that stage of his career. It was a pretty wild meeting and needless to say after that we didn't hear back much from them. I was gonna ask you ability, the director of scruple about the Genesis scandal. Again in theaters Friday and numerous streaming platforms the following Friday after that how did the meeting with Iran finish up. What happened would just more lies, basically? And so we walked away. I thought he was a fascinating guy really fragile guy a sensitive guy at the time not much of a sense of humor or any sense of self awareness. But I thought what a compelling character to be able to examine to interview. Emailed them for the next six seven, eight months. The the arbitration resolve in January of two thousand fourteen he got a sentence reduction if he will but still a season long suspension. And so by the middle of two thousand fourteen it seemed obvious that they were not really interested in participating in an interview or documentary. And and why not the strategy has paid off this whole kind of head in the sand ignored. And it'll go away strategy has certainly worked for them. I think it's both one of the most remarkable imagery ability in the history of public relations. Not just that though. I mean, he had he did come out. And when he did show back up with the with the Enke's he came out and threw himself, basically on on the the sword. I mean, he did come out and give a complete total may culpa. He went made fun of himself on the stage of the SP's. I mean, he has had as you pointed out, you said, no sense of humor about himself or anything like that. He has seen to take a total reverse pivot on how he has portray. Trade himself or how he has taken on what he did. Absolutely. I don't know who. Okay. Say taking I wouldn't say he did much of a may co tour. He didn't really acknowledge what he did. Or didn't do what he lied about. The other players like Ryan Braun that he threw under the bus that his camp deliberately leaked in order to take some of the attention away from him in the thick of the scandal. I don't think he really fessed up to it. I don't think did he has to. I mean, obviously doesn't have to. But I'm just saying I don't think he really did any kind of comprehensive apology our discussion about I think how profoundly disappointing it was for legions of young kids who look up to these athletes heroes and role models. So then somebody who did speak with him when he was at a low point. And as you point out, you think you were used as a prop or used in a certain way until cool with that they spent my name, right and pay six it was in bold. I know the Jews to make that happen. Thank you. Thank you. She was publicised. This is all just setting up the question. I think a lot of fans are wondering hearing this. If they already. Weren't wondering to begin with who's the Alex Rodriguez that we're seeing today, I think a liberated man I think this was a guy who was kind of trapped by his own kind of failed persona in baseball. Who was booed by his own fans in baseball, never really beloved pop culture figure a guy who was almost in a way liberated when he hit rock bottom in this scandal. And now feels free to I hope this is him. Meaning like, I think maybe that this is the, you know, the person he was always supposed to be always wanted to be but felt constrained by fame and fortune. And of course, when you're generating that kind of revenue over four hundred million dollars over a career, you have so many people around you rely on you. And so you don't really have a chance to kind of free yourself and go out in public and feel like you could joke around and just be you. And I think I think it's liberating for someone to be out of the game. Like the only game. He's the only thing he's ever known. The only thing he's ever been told these good at and the interesting thing about screwball as it turns out. It's. It's not about Alex Rodriguez. Don't tell him that. But it's not about a rod. It's about these bizarre Elmore. Leonard Carl hyacinth almost Coen brothers esque characters secre way to put an habit. This only in Miami kind of world, and it's the weirdest birdcage of ever seen. Bizarre. And you can't make it up because it's it's it's nonsense little family, ending, you know. Goes down, and you're an exhaust who's in drag whose Gene Hackman, you're you're you're talking about Tony Bosch who is at the center of all of this. Who's the one who is dispensing all of the the steroids using his dad's scrip paper pad to Dr legit doctor? And then this fellow porta Fisher. Who is just a I don't know. What what what do you describe him the one who is the one who gave the who stole the he sensually took the documents from Tony Bosch, just let it lying around the biogenesis office took them and sent them to the press because he was pissed about not getting four thousand dollars back. It's you know, it's a chunk chain nice chunk of change. But even Tony Bosch and your documentary said he wishes he had paid that money to avoid everything else that it happened. It's insane. I just didn't hearing how you describe Puerta Fisher. After having watched it. This one will be a sad figure who's just looking for some sort of relevance. You know, I that's what I any founded be in these documents, and he took these documents from so he still the documents from Tony Bosch, and the documents were stolen from him and sold not just to the highest bidder. But every bitter. I mean, anybody willing to pay anything for them, and including major league baseball who's paid one hundred twenty five thousand cash in a diner out of some slush fund, I presume, I don't think we're going to ten ninety nine. The convicted felon that they were buying these knowingly still in documents from I don't know where Moby gets a slush fund from. But so be it. I don't know hustle either. Rob Manfred was in charge of this entire investigation. But listen go down to Miami. I mean when you roll around on the swamp, you're gonna get some mud on you. Down there. If you gotta you gotta root this thing out. I mean in a way to because everybody was saying, you know, how does how does the NFL not get the TMZ tapes of all these players that TMZ has the tapes on and the reason they're they're not gonna take some sort of could you imagine if the NFL trusts on what it is this could you imagine if the NFL took a slush fund and gave it to somebody who for whatever their reason wanted to leak this tape when they had no right to could you imagine you're assuming that they don't are the ones that Billy? They don't because otherwise they'd have the tape and here. Well, here's eleven does. Well, here's what what they did these convicted felons while they're selling MLB stolen documents for cash in a diner. They had a buddy at another table with an iphone filming the transaction. So that they can sell the video of the transaction two. A rod to say like, hey, you can then release and they wound up creating route one of getting scared about this. And they deleted it from the hard drive. And but but a-rod bought a blank hard-drive from them for six figures, we have the wire transfer. It's in the documentary and the an era allegedly spent thousands more sending the hard drive around the world to data recovery services to try to get this deleted footage back and unfortunately couldn't. And so we got footage America's sweetheart Alison hundred hysterical. Like, listen. I don't he was desperate. And he grew up in Miami. It's like sunny place for shady people. You know, he's going to it rubs off on you, and the type of characters you surround yourself doing the fact that when you think about it. The career of the highest paid baseball player in history effectively ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient just kind of wonderful, by the way, Billy Corgan. I mean fine point on stuck the landing on that one. And that's why you're documentaries called scruple. And I guess we kind of buried lead, which is a great way to finish up. Our conversation here is there's so many stories that required reenactment because you don't have the footage. Obviously of Tony Bosch talking to port Fisher Puerta Fisher to who was a rod sky. Right. I mean, you don't have these these these moments documented with film. So you recreated them using children. All my God. I can't I mean, wh why did you think I have a theory white? I guess you set it at the very beginning. But it could some of the things these guys are saying it sounds like they're five years old and use us kids who were literally what age. Eight ten twelve years ten. Yeah. Around there the most foul things. Yeah. You know? Mouthing now mouthing. Yes, you're using Tony bashes. Sit down interview off camera. But on camera the kids mouthing wearing hairpieces and dressed up facial hair. Yeah. And we have to remember like we make sports documentaries. The U thirty for thirty for example. It's I don't mean to knock our hustle. It's still documentaries are challenge to make. But the formulas clear, you talked to sportspeople sports people talk to you about sports games, you go get footage of sports games and put sports game footage on top of sports people talking about sports. That's that's how it goes here. This wasn't about sports. Yeah. It was baseball Jason, but all these events occur in some shady doctor's clinic in a locker room at a hotel at a bar and nightclub for example, live in Miami Beach, the fountain blue, and so what do you do? There's no footage. So we did recreation when you were going to have to and I was listening to the character's talking during the interviews. Tony importer who don't like each other. Spoiler alert. But they have very similar way of talking talking dialogue there like I walked into his office. And I said, where's my money? And he said, I don't have your money. And I said you better get my money. And he says what are you gonna do about it? And I said I'm gonna break, and I'm like appreciate you cleaning up the conversation. Than that. But I realize we could drunk history this because they're talking I log so we had Gers lip sync the dialogue, but the actors will be eight nine and ten years old. And not only did did it strike me that they all acted like children, but he kind of works for me on multiple layers. Not the least of which is is that Tony Bosch ultimately. And rightfully so went to federal prison for not only treating professional athletes, but high school kids as well, whose parents and coaches brought them to Tony Bosch to try to get advantage in the in the draft. And so that combined with the fact that like I said in the end we deal with this a little bit. The these athletes are heroes and role models to young children, and they're sending a message loud and clear and the kids are getting it because I do QNA's with some of the actors the young actors from the movie who answer the question of the audience when they say, what is the moral of the story. What did you learn? What are we supposed to glean from all this and Brian Blanco the young kid who plays? Tony Bosch in the lab coat and every. He says, oh, I know. I know you don't have to raise your hand. It's a Q and A. It's all yours. Do the floor is yours. He's ted. What are you going to do? He said lie cheat and steal. And that's how you win on. No. And I'm like, and when it comes from him, it's a little more depressing than when I say it, but the truth matters. This is these are the lessons that were teaching our children. Now, I mean who wanted this? I know obviously, Alex is a totally new life in a new reputation and he's living at and he's living at well. But Tony Bosch is a convicted felon. I didn't see I didn't look at anybody in this movie and say these people have one, you know, I mean, and and I honestly not not a single person comes off like. Anything positive in a way in this whole situation. Although again, I don't blame baseball for doing whatever the heck it needed to do this thing out. That's that's my belief. But just seen at the end of this thing Pedro Gomez came off. I guess I guess. I guess he's the only one the child who plays him. Well, so look Billy, this is this is just this is truly something else, man. But last one for you here, did did you believe Tony Bosh mean because guys using still referring people he was treating his patients. I mean, come on. Now, the did you did goes to jail, obviously, he's got a story to tell. But he also has I'll tell you one person who believes in Tony Bosch is Tony Bosch that man has a lot of self confidence. And despite the fact that he went to medical school in Belize, what one of our interview subjects refers to as the belief school of the medical and performing arts. He very much is true believer in his own ability. I will tell you this guy didn't do at traditional advertising because this was very much gray market business at best. He he's thrived on word of mouth, and he got that word of mouth because he got results for his clients. So he was doing something right now. Tell you one of the logs we didn't get to do in the in the movies ran at a time and money, but Tony winds up in minimum security federal prison camp in Alabama. And his there. Teaching nutrition to his fellow inmates. Jeff skilling from Enron is. They're not gene business to their fellow inmates. And Jesse Jackson junior is in prison their teaching political science and civics to fellow inmates. And yeah, I mean, listen, we're just trying to Mago trying to make rod great again. That's what we're trying to do. Dr Hannibal Lecter is teaching a class on yards. Oh my gosh. Billy, thanks for coming on. And you make a great film checkout. Screwball in select cities this Friday, and then on snoop streaming platforms the Friday after that at Billy Corbin on Twitter and Instagram. Get to see your brother back with more in a moment. It happens to the best of his right before big deadline or just when you're printing handouts for a key presentation. The printer runs out of ink. Are you tired of frequent expense in hassle of replacing ink cartridges with an internal Inc? Storage tank? Larger ink cartridges and intelligent page gauge that displays Inc levels, brother, Inc. Vestment tank printers can literally change the way you Inc. Brother inc. Vestment tank color ink jets, all in one printers deliver ultra convenience along with a low cost per page and affordable upfront price. Enjoy uninterrupted printing with your choice of up to one or two years of ink including inbox Inc. 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Stay tuned for sixty seconds of eight news headlines right after this podcast. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice quite some nights. He even slept in his hockey skates. Pete practiced and practiced unto one day when he was forty seven Pete realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his gates in the trash, but then you heard how DIKO proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. Welcome back to our show. I mean that was just a great interview with Billy Corgan right there, man, not to go, all roaming hair. And Pat myself on the back for good interview. But I mean that was really intense because it's just it's it's a it's an interesting way of presenting the whole story. Yes. And it's it's it's really remarkable how as he pointed out one of the greatest baseball careers 'cause had biogenesis not come out had again, this fellow porter Fisher who gave four thousand dollars to Tony Bosch to try them buys west as an investment. Okay. Had he been paid back his four thousand dollars. And his documentary shows at Tony Bosch had two residences combined twelve thousand dollars a month mortgage. I mean, what he said he had forty K month and expense. I mean, so if he had not lived that life, right? And just decided, okay, I'm gonna pay this guy off because pay payments money back just give his money back. And all of that, not come out would Iraq be in line for the hall of fame. Or what is his previous steroid transgression counted against him. Because he in the biogenesis thing on top of what he had already admitted. I think you're looking at a rod eight hundred home runs. I think you're looking at all time number Risi all time numbers because he's only four short of seven hundred now as he said a fake tan addicted individual wanted his four thousand dollars back, but didn't get it. Because of as he said some cocaine addicted fake doctor didn't pay him back brings down. Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun Manny Ramirez, toll Colo's guys. Those guys are already milky and Ramirez at already popped, but they were part of this. They were part of it. I know what a story in the way, he tells the kids to the mouths of kids like you said the tragedy and all this is that he was he had high school high scores. It's really it's a serious. It's a serious of business. And and again, you know, we we are going to focus on the positives of baseball tomorrow is opening day, it's allied or one of our favorites will join us on the program tomorrow. I do believe he's given up his yes Yonki calling duties to be on a road more with his his son who's beginning to get into the major leagues. But he's doing some MLB network in house one of our favorites. I'm sure he's got a ton of opening day stories. And Pat Williams will be here from the Orlando Magic who have won six in a row now. The great storyteller the first variety at her son pitches at Vanderbilt, ego and. Coming to an institute. Tomorrow, one of the many people that we vanquished in the touch of the vermeil's fantasy football victory tour. We won right yet. We won because Fabio no posted a picture while you were gone. No. He's of the new trophy texted me the trophy. Okay. Guys, say when do we get a Windsor come an inch going to we're gonna we're gonna put where we'll have a very special place here in the rich Eisen show studio. He said that they he hasn't gotten the names of the previous winners up on the trophy. It's a work in we need to have him in doing fischel trophy army. We need Cantrell in too. But tomorrow with Duff MacKay gin big time mariner fan the day that the Mariners put it on the line against the defending World Series champion Red Sox. Mariners opening day game matters to know. Right. And that's true. Lost. It's really they're they're already a full game in front of the rest of the American League West, but all tied in the Walsall loss. One of those rare instances tied in the laws but a game in front. So there you go. That's on tomorrow's program. A final poll results over there. Christopher would. We have best basketball movie on the anniversary of white man can't jumps release in nineteen Ninety-two hoosiers, forty seven percents, and I kind of feel good about myself. Okay. Just in general just about hoosiers. And how I feel about it. And I went on a little bit of a rant and the right in the middle of the show sort of like a man spread centerpiece or like the Andy Reid of this show. Centerpiece. In for a last minute baseball fan spread centerpiece. Although Andy Reid is the avatar kind of a man spread would be would be what Cecil Fielder probably some sort of Tigers one team photo from good one back in the day. Prince fielder just some sort of big old man spreader who just does not care. What one right foot? One left foot is going down. And we are just gonna take up space. When was the last time, you think Andy Reid sat in the middle seat of anything. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just so proud that I trashed Rudy while while elevating hoosiers. Seriously. Why do you always have to bring Rudy down? I mean because it's fake story fake story. It's maybe a real guy. But the thing is it's not like Michigan's not in the movie at all. So it's not like he's got a leg up on. They beat joy he has a sack against Georgia Tech. Okay. So doesn't matter doesn't matter. I mean when you when you have a rivalry against somebody. It never ends. Do you have a rivalry scene? Have you seen proud of? The course not would you see anything of the Anki. So no, of course, not. No, okay. So just practice. What you preach. That's all. I before we before we end today show. I wanna send a shout out to our good friend and compadres Micheal Irvin who scared to heck out of everybody yesterday. Posting photograph of himself and a hospital gown, and he you know, he went through throat biopsy. We don't know the results yet. But he's he he Instagram doubt that he is scared out of his mind. He lost his dad two throat cancer fifty one he almost had we almost had to sit him down on a game day morning or two this year because his throat his voice was shot. If you remember he was going crazy after the Cowboys beat the saints Thursday night running around who's running around. And we've just thought that he yelled so much and his voice gave way. This is scary stuff. Didn't return voice didn't return. He did. He did. I think require a steroid to get his voice back and he sounded great. I spoke to him yesterday. He sounded great had him on speakerphone. My son's Zander came over asked. If it was Michael on the phone. I told him. Yes. He said, hi, Michael. How you doing? He's like fine, buddy. And he says how you doing? He goes. I'm just here with my mom and dad, they're old. I don't know why he said that he ran out of the room and Irv could not stop laughing for like sixty to ninety seconds. And then he asked why why when I was out of town. He didn't coming guest host the show on like, do you wanna do it anytime? So, wow, we may have him in studio, you know, and I just wanted to say to him in this micro. I told him yesterday. I'm sure it's all going to be just fine. In the meantime, he said he wanted prayers on his behalf and his family. 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Episode Fourteen: Billy Corben & Tony Bosch

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Episode Fourteen: Billy Corben & Tony Bosch

"South beach sessions brought to you by T so official watch of the NBA shop at US dot T. So shop dot com. Hello. It's Dan laboratory. We've got a bonus episode of south beach sessions for you this week because we had Tony by and Billy Corbin talking about the movies screwball. You've seen Billy Corgan you cocaine Cowboys. He's made the rounds as a director for this movie screwball. Tony Bosch, you don't hear from so much. He's the biogenesis doctor who wasn't a doctor who was getting a hundred million dollar contracts for players while doing a bunch of cocaine and using black market techniques to get drugs. The whole thing was very Miami. It was crazy. The movie is on demand now screwball. We ask you to rate review. And subscribe on what it is. You're hearing. Now, if you want to hear more of it and screwball is something we're asking you to watch. 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Where you go to try this for free ZipRecruiter. It's the smartest way to hire. Here's Billy Corgan. And Tony Bosch the biogenesis doctors screwball on demand right now. Let's get to it. Billy Corgan is here with us as well. As Tony Bosch was at the centre. I remember this. It made me sad for journalism. Pedro Gomez chasing. Tony Bosch through a parking lot somewhere in Miami. Montes asking, oh, a Montes parking lot. Nice. That's that's a distinctly Miami parking lot the Montes park. I didn't even realize that that was the Montes parking lot. It was Pedro Gomez chasing you down and your the steroid. Doctor. That's getting everybody hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts. Right. Correct. I prior to that I bet at him. He couldn't catch me in the Montes parking lot. That's what was going on. Okay. So chased you down in the parking lot, and Billy one attracted you to this story because it has to be the Miami elements of insanity here. I'll absolutely it was it was on a radar because in our opposite racking tour, we literally have a Google spreadsheet of Florida story that we just keep track of all of these stories that come up and usually takes awhile sometimes decades for a story to ripen p it's too sensitive. People are in the thick of. Which they were obviously in two thousand thirteen early in the year, the Tim L Frink from the Miami New times broke the story of the biogenesis scandal as it became known. And in November of two thousand thirteen Alex Rodriguez was in the midst of the arbitration, he was the only player involved in the scandal who actually appealed his suspension, and why not I guess he figured I'd nothing to lose. It was the biggest suspension in the history of the sport short of a ban. And so he was a call from a rod publicist, and he said Alex will be in town. He has an office in Coral Gables during a break of the from the arbitration in November of twenty thirteen he'd like to get together with you and Alfred spellman you're producing partner. So I said, yeah, sure that sounds cool. We'll meet with Alex I figure this is going to be like a quiet thing in his office right in Coral Gables. No. They say we wanna meet you at hill stone restaurant on pasta Leon and miracle mile like the power lunch spot in the Gables plate glass windows, open kitchen. Everybody can see everything happening. So we go in. High noon and we get escorted down the center aisle. Alex is holding court centre-back booth literally on an elevated platform, we stood up on a stage to meet Alex in this crowded dining room, where if anybody's going to recognize me, it would be two miles from UM there and. People looking around who the hell's this having lunch with Iran? And I actually I send my icebreaker was. So who's going to call a page six you or us and only the publicist laughed and sure shit two weeks later, it was in page six and and we sat there with Alex. And he lied to us for the better part of an hour, hour and a half. I thought some of the things he had to say we're pretty compelling, but Alfred spellman my producing partner who is a degenerate baseball fan. He said not everything was like everything he just told us was a total lie. He's not gonna like this movie. That part is clear. I don't know who looks worse than than movie. What did Tony what did you think of the movie once you saw everything put in the same place? You're telling the story it's crazy because some people still have questions about whether your legitimate doctor or not whether the believes university is it believes university. Yeah. I I think they referred to as what was it. The money school, the belief school the medical and performing arts performing arts, which was a little musing. You know, I got it. What do I think of the moving my my motivation to even do this movie or do this or collaborate with with billing Alfred in this in this project was was twofold, one this was going to be the first time that the public was actually going to hear from me prior to that? If you if you lay out the whole story, you lay it's the it's the most comprehensive look I've seen it exactly how this all happen, and what spectacular shit show it was because it's breathtaking. It's a breathtaking shit show that you're getting hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts with one of these you know, we've got all over Miami. People who are pharmacists to aren't really pharmacists. I and you're sitting here taking using that money on wild Miami cocaine fueled parties that sounds like a great deal of craziness. And it was it was it was crazy, and I have to be honest with and it was fun. And you know, the results were there, which was was amazing. The results were there. Everybody was happy the players were happy. They were performing. I was getting what what I wanted. I was doing what I love to do passionate had and the players were performing. It was a beautiful thing. And it was all the way around because what you saw at the end of which you experience was the pushback from the fallout. But it was a great deal. Everybody was in on it from team physicians to the team managers traveling secretaries to coach you name it. And then of course, it's almost like I got left without a chair when the music stopped, and you were doing something that was known as wrong, but was quietly accepted throughout the baseball circles, largely your trafficking in these human growth hormone areas that are grey areas, and everyone is wink, wink, right up until you get caught at which point it all falls on your, absolutely. And I get it. I don't I don't blame anybody. But myself, I guess if I was I was on the other side, I'd be doing the same thing. But going back to the question was. The two biggest motivations were were one. There's a first time that I'm able to say, at least my side of the story after you see the film, then you can make your own conclusion, you may like me you may not like me. But at least the truth is out there. And you heard it from me from the horse's mouth. Secondly, hopefully, and in retrospect, maybe we're raising the debate. And we're we're we're pushing this in the forefront about this whole PD use L. You don't get to be a pioneer on this tone cocaine and the club to make some of the money and stuff you don't get to be a pioneer on elevating the steroids discussion. Well, I think I think that be because of my experience and because of my journey. I think I'm part owner of it to be honest with you, let's go anywhere with belly. Because I didn't see him as a pioneer Billy. I saw him as a distinctly Miami universe creature that was able to profit off of something that a lot of people in Miami were doing in the anti aging. Community because he climbed through a wonderful loophole where there were hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, first and foremost as we told stories in the past with the drug industry or the illicit drug trade in Miami. If it hadn't been one guy, it would have been another guy as long as the demand exists the supply will exist, so when when the belco scandal occurred there was obviously a vacuum in the marketplace. You know, there was an opportunity for somebody to come and fill the void. Which was baseball players were looking to cheat were looking to work around the Mitchell report that had come out about steroids in baseball and the new regulations that have been agreed upon by the players union and and major league baseball and so- Joni fill that void in the marketplace, very often Miami is on the cutting edge of all sorts of schemes and scams. And it was only natural that someone that Miami pioneer would have would fill the void in the doping in the doping. Marketplace, obviously, can you explain to us when you're stumbling around through this story on the reporting and you're coming up with again. Detail after detail explained to the audience who hasn't seen this movie. What you think are the details that will be most ridiculous. Well, first and foremost movies called screwball. So it is a bit of a farce. It's a it's a comedy really is what it is one of our first sort of comedy, documentaries that we've ever made. And really, I think the to put it into perspective the fact that the highest paid baseball player of all time his career was ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake, doctor and his fake tan addicted steroid patient, I think gives you some idea about era was just collateral damage in this. This was a beef between Tony Bosch and porter Fisher that that just brought down all of these major duty a baseball players along with him. But it is ultimately this Elmore. Leonard Carl hyacinth Coen brothers esque a botched kind of robbery it's a Carl hiaasen novel. It is something that is. Distinctly miami. It couldn't have happened anywhere else. But my did you see Tony wince when I said fake doctor? Did you see him wince as I said see him? Once you still don't like fake doctor. I mean, you had the lab coat. And it said Dr Tony about who think it's a comedy. Do you sit there because I watched and I'm like, this is a comedy. But did you think it was a comedy watching it? Or was it your way of being able to tell your story? And if you wanna laugh, you can laugh, but at least you're getting the details out there you want. Well, listen, it was a comedy. But the whole story was a comedy. I laughed all the way through over the years. I was I was laughing. So why not why not pick the right way in the movie? But were you laughing you aren't laughing once it was really coming down on you. Where are you? There was a dark period in there. So there was a very very dog period. Very Doug period for me, my family that lasted quite some time closer to years or more than that. And you asked me about the the common of fake doctor. And again, it is what it is. I'm not gonna I don't think my my purpose of being here. Today's really to defend myself, but I do have over twenty eight years of experience. I do have a doctor. Degree in allopathic medicine from the school performing arts like Tim O Frank like likes to say I did research for many years in this field. I worked with endocrinologist for many years in this field. Obviously that wasn't part of the movie, and I understand is a slanted lopsided filmmaker. Only interested in comedy didn't give your resume. Nobody wants to resume. Nobody. I know that I know that nobody wants my resume. It's all for entertainment purposes, to be quite honest. I don't get it. They say com- comedy is tragedy plus time. So I think that over time I think he's Tony's probably come to see the humor in it. And I will say this. He's not defending his resume, nor am I, but I will say that as Tony mentioned earlier the proof is in the pudding. He got results for his clients. This is not a business that Tony was advertising in the traditional sense out. There was no billboards. There were not commercials other no magazine heads it was word of mouth. So there were clients that Tony had that were getting the results they wanted that were coming to him to lose weight. Everybody was Ryan Braun. Manny. Ramirez the stories in the in the movie are hundred hundred cops hundred cop clients late people just in the community, and they were getting results, and they were telling their friends and their friends were coming to to be treated by by Tony Bosch that really happened. And so like, I said, I'm not going to sit here and defend myself, and I had two choices when I left prison when the second coming of Tony Bosch was going to happen. And I had to choice to run away from my password. Embrace my pass. I've never seen anybody grow from running away from their pass. So I made the choice to embrace what I did wrong. The short could site took who I was who I am now and move on and move. Also was there a -peutic for you to do it that way absolutely in this film, when when we were filming this film was very therapeutic because you weren't hiding anymore. You didn't have to be doing in the shadows. You could try and control some portion of your story or tried to or or try to. And a lease say the truth, and it's out there. And like I said after you see you made like me more, you may not like I want to ask Billy. I this is tough for documentarian. But I wanna like in the movie who do you think are the most interesting characters like who do you think are going to create the most polarizing opinions when people watch the movie well this incredible cast of characters right out of a Coen brothers movie. It's like, you know, Miami's America's CASA Blanca, so people flee here from all over the country and all over the world mostly from something illicit in their past, and they come here, and they almost create like the sort of like voltron of Florida career were they like they become like super criminal date like conspire with each other and come up with these cook these cockamamie schemes, which is what happened here when Puerto Fisher stole. Tony Bosch is records a a group of criminals than conspire to steal the stolen records. Not just sell them to the highest bidder. But sell them to every bitter, and any bitter who is willing to pay anything for that included. Major league baseball that include. Alex Rodriguez that included selling it back to Tony of necessary. Anybody willing to pay anything for it were very little moments of morality in screw and then feel like there were many in my opinion. I think who looks the worst in all of it is rob Manfred bud Seelig and major league baseball, in my opinion, the way they came down. Here reminded me a lot of like the NCW investigation involving university of Miami and Nevin Shapiro in high. We say like you come down to the swamp. You're gonna get dirty. You're going to get some mud of these these are enforcement arms that don't have any real power. Right. Like, no accountability. Apparently. And I mean, major league baseball started their own internal investigation division their own sort of FBI that would go out to the cities and investigate the chicanery. And they just they're a lot of them are ex cops from NYPD from Boston. And they just go do whatever they want. They seduced a former nurse of Tony's. They were sending flowers and gifts to Tony his girlfriend at the time. Well, not to me I wish there were to me if they would have. Send me flowers. I would actually public baseball was actually dealing in cash transactions. Something that was sweet. Sweet fund they have a slush fund, and they had they spent one hundred twenty thousand dollars cash in literally like a gym bag to a convicted felon in a diner in Palm Beach county. And are they going to ten ninety nine him? What what exactly is MLB doing running around with that kind of cash and paying for what they knew were stolen medical records from a convicted felon. I mean what what was the plan there? And we interview an investigator from the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who said that the behavior of major league baseball investigators in the state of Florida was illegal. They unquestionably engaged in illegal behavior broke the laws of the state of Florida with absolutely zero consequent nobody was behaving by legal motives like who was who was doing anything yet. We'll listen every time like someone's your these new stories like fake doctor found in Hialeah faked. Doctor found Little Havana, I'm like that's not news news would be real doctor found in Hialeah. He'll doctor. Well, it's like this is part of the culture. Down here, you know, like people injecting fix a flat into women's bottoms to give them Brazilian. You know bootleg Brazilian Butler. You know, and like this is just part of the culture. I think it's I think it's part of the multi-culture I should say down here. Part of the reason is that there are people who are doctors in their home country. And because we have such a diverse community p people do feel comfortable going to doctors who were who may not be licensed physicians in the state of Florida in the United States. But were in fact, doctors, you know, back in the in their home country, then there's also an idea that a lot of Miami exists in what I like to call the gray market economy. We expect that that everybody will have sort of a shady side. Speaking of the shadiness of Tony like once you were getting swallowed by this. No. But when you were getting swallowed by this, and you were suffering. It you were trying to you know, shell game it with dollars. Like, what was the worst of it when you felt oh, this is out of my control? Now, this has gotten away from me. Now, this is going to be a problem for me. I'll tell you what I'll tell you a specific story. That I actually said to myself. Okay. This is this is gotten to ridiculous. It's got an a out of control, and it was one time in and it would happen quite often. But this one time in particular, I remember leaving my house. I was living in the grove at that time. I think it was one of the safe houses that because I was being moved around. Right. So it was one of the safe houses that I use. It was in coconut grove, and I left and it was early morning. Hold on a second. Explain to people why it is that Unisem -tated safe houses. Well, I needed to save houses because I was getting daily threats you're talking about numerous, athletes and these athletes had their own people. And so the text messages in the phone calls were were ridiculous. They would they go twenty four hours. I would I would I would wake up at for him in the morning. I would see five text messages. Hey, you better. Not do this better. Not tell us you testify or not testify who's doing this who's sending you these texts. Well. The the these were all different people. From Alex is Cam there was there was numerous numerous people and other athletes, also, so I don't know, they're they're they're they're entourage. If you will. Okay. So I'm sorry. I interrupted you're coming out of your home and go. Yeah. Some coming at coconut grove, but but I'm coming out of my house in the grove. And I think I told Billy the story ones. I don't know why didn't make the film. But but anyway, interesting story some coming out, right? And it's early in the morning and get in my car. And of course, as I'm walking towards my car. I'm suit MC. I know the neighborhood. So I know what cars belong there. What cars don't belong there to probably a little paranoid at this? And I'm very paranoid at this point cocaine doesn't help that by the way. No, it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't. And and and by I was I was using at this point in time. Although that say, yes, yeah. Well, I would like to state I've been five years clean, so actually. Okay. Thanks. And so going back to story. So. Some sitting Mike I'm getting my car. I'm looking around. And there's all these cars in thinking myself. Oh my God. There's like five cars there with people inside cameras inside the the car. So I had the DA in one. I had a good fellas. All of a sudden, it was crazy shitty. Good foul. Shitty. Could develop in a way. Why should a good because this happened to me? So anyway, wondering rather helicopter I go right around. I was looking I was leaving with Alec out. There was you know, so anyway, another coat with a rubs people official people. Okay. 'cause then you got you got the wannabes that that when you want to get in good grace with a rod. You know what I mean? So they could collect on the on the reward their your air. Reward. Right. But there's a lot of money. There was a lot of money. Okay. But this is before I even said anything that's crazy part about it. Nobody knew I was going to testify new. Nobody knew I was planning on festival. I was planning to, you know, make a left Mika arrived. Make all the threats made you want to testify all to get out of the whole well that and now you got undercover DA you got undercover cops freaking out that I'd testify against him. You got Aras official people a unofficial people all the and so I got five six every time. I leave. I would have numerous cars follow me wherever I went. And this one time I said, listen this is enough. You know, I think I had like five or six cars following me. And I said I'm done I you know in order to fight this fight. 'cause I was ready in it wasn't like if I could just take off, you know. And I imagine you considered it. I imagine you consider trying to get away from your entire. Life. Absolutely, absolutely. Like hiding is a fugitive because that can't be fun all of that that you're experiencing. It was terrible. And to be fair though. There was somewhat of a financial incentive in that this this lifestyle that Tony was leading as you just described was very expensive one that in. You're not make generating any revenue at the time. But yet had to move from house to house had to take care of his on occasion child support payments in Alamo knee, and what have you and then rent and vehicles and security and to be realize you said seriously monied interests, you had a multimillionaire in Alex Rodriguez a multibillion dollar monopoly in major league baseball who not only had their official investigation. But what they called a shadow investigation. They hired PI's locally. This was a whole cottage industry in Miami. And in a town that subsists hustle on. Yeah. It was an economy in a town that, you know, subsists from hustle to hustle and everybody side-hustle has got side hustles. You look for these types of opportunity. So everybody was bathing in this or feeding in this trough of MLB and Alex. And be old Tony I mean, MLB covered your expenses when when when you decided to cooperate they covered you had legal expenses, you had security expenses, you had personal money to party in New York with some of that money. No. They covered that too. Craft services. Service actually invoicing major league baseball expense reports. Well, my security invoice, my lawyer invoiced and all the other individuals that to pardon this whole thing. I think we did the math at total just over four close to five million close to five million now, wait a minute. What we actually added up in the documentary beat we do the math right on camera. Right. And so your dealing with how many people who are doubling in criminal behavior here as or all of them, really. I mean every single one of them arguably, including the whistle blower, including major league baseball, including a rod who actually it was. It was reported only in passing that Arafat had a Queen for a day meeting with the feds with the DA Aucoin for a day meeting is is when you basically get to come in tell the feds everything, you know, and they agree not to prosecute you for everything but lying to them. That's not covered. In fact, George popadopoulos. One of the president's men famously got prosecuted for lying in his Queen for a day meeting. The whole point is not to live the whole point is we're not going to prosecute you for anything. You say we will not use anything you say against you, and Alex famously lied in that Queen for a day meeting and was not prosecuted so everybody in some to some extent was engaged in criminal behavior. Here it was pretty sensational in that way. I wanna get to how you go through five million dollars in expenses here in a second. I want to get to that with Tony. But when you talk about a Iran and the original meeting with him and him lying to you the entire time. You felt like are you didn't feel like you. It was your film partner told you. He was lying. Yeah. What is it that was happening in that meeting that you were believing before he told you that it wasn't true because I'm not a baseball fan? And in fact, don't give a shit about steroids in baseball. Literally don't care. I mean, the baseball hall of fame is filled with racists and drug addicts and cheaters and alcoholics indigestion. Madison. Hateful horrible people so players whose bodies are their fortune whose livelihood or contingent upon healing faster. I mean, Tommy John surgery, isn't that a performance enhancing procedure. Like, I don't really understand it you give your kids Admiral. Throughput morality stupid sports, morality integrity ethics all of that. I think it's hip ankle. And all of us would choose a fountain of youth later in life. If we could course, and these guys are I mean, they're relying upon that, you know, their bodies and their physical health. So I don't really give it give a crap about about really any of that. I was interested in in this insane sort of true crime story that this was and that's what I really was interested in. So Alfred who is much more interested in the purity in the sanctity of the game. In fact, it was a pitcher in high school at north Miami Beach, senior high go chargers. And in fact, interestingly I don't know if he wants me to tell the story, but I'll do it. Anyway, Alfred pitched against a rod probably about his senior year in high school. Everybody already knew that Alex was going to be was Alex. You know, he was going to be drafted and make some big money really soon. And it was some sort of summer. I think it was on Frazier's camp, actually, and they had some sort of summer league game or whatever and Alford pitched against him and Alfred's claim to fame. There was that he held Alex to a triple. And I thought what a cute story to tell at this lunch remaining Alex Rodriguez when when you get this chance, I thought it would just be a fun way to create some common ground. We're all Miami boys right now Alfred actually pitched against you yet. So I told Alex the story. Alfred looked embarrassed, you know, and I told him the story like any held you to a triple like, here's the highest paid baseball player when most famous guys one of the greatest in the history of the game he wins. He looked like he grimaced when I said that Alfred held onto a triple like like like there was a a sensitivity. There was he was so fragile about that. And like this was twenty years ago, whatever it was acute funny. Little story here about these two guys you've met before you know, that kind of thing and he looked sensitive to that. And and I was that told me a lot about. But that's what made me think he was an interesting character. Like a compelling character. He was making points about like, I never met. Tony bosch. Of course. This is he was telling everybody at that time to fear. He was in a battle of the legacies. He was trying to preserve his career. And is integral he was riding the lie right till the end three hat tricks through Commissioner's meetings, all of that stuff. Oh, he was going to go down fighting, or at least lying that was fat. And he didn't fact, but like he I he made the point like you notice that my game stats didn't improve after the time that this Bosch character claims that he was treating yada yada. So I like he was making these points at I couldn't verify contemporaneous. Look in the moment. I'd actually have to leave and confirmed, but he was making a very good case for himself. And I thought a compelling case for himself. I thought he was sympathetic. I thought he was an interesting I thought it was a complicated guy didn't have much of a sense of humor at at the time for perhaps obvious reasons. But I just thought I thought this is an interesting guy. I'm like, I thought he made some good points offer. It's like no way. He's like don't. He's totally full of it. He's lying about everything, of course, in January of two thousand fourteen they settled the arbitration of the I think he wound up with one hundred sixty four game suspension. It was quote unquote reduced, but I. It remains the highest suspension the history biggest suspension history of the game. And then I kept emailing the publicist and emailing. You guys want to do this interview you want to do this? And for like, seven months, I interview I emailed them in the and Alex wasn't wasn't interested in doing this story. But in October of two thousand fourteen we heard from Tony Tony was interested. And once you meet Tony and then the following year. I met Puerto Fisher who reached out through Email via Tim L Frank which was kind of wild. When the three main figures in this extraordinary scandal, reach out, independent of each other to you you kind of feel like the universe is trying to tell you something. So we decided to do it. And when you meet, Tony, and you meet Puerto you realize, oh, this is the story. These guys are the story. Alex, Alex, isn't the story. He's a supporting character in this story. And and these guys actually were we met them, and they told us the truth. You know, they give us verifiable facts. Whereas, Alex, of course, everything he said, you know, daleks tells you the sky's blue you gotta look. Outside and talk to six scientists for before you publish that information. You know? So these guys told us the truth dirty guys told you the truth the guys who were a little orange the guys who were doing the unscrupulous things. It's not unlike Consejo coming through. He's the one who had all the information. He told the truth about every game. But he also had a credibility problem because he was doing things like you end up in jail over this you end up in jail in bef- racing. Yeah. Prison excuse me. And you can you explain to us how you get to the point of something that felt like relief where on on what side of this. Did you get where you were? Finally, like, okay, I'm past the darkness. Wow. The there was so many 'em phases throughout this whole thing. But where I felt the most relief was as crazy as it sounds. It was when I was sentenced to forty eight months. It was okay. It's over. That's it. This is my punishment. Did you think it was going to be worse than that? Or did you fear? It would be worse than that. After going through all the shit. And all the publicity that I'm going to be honest with. I'm very optimistic. I thought I was going to get a slap on the wrist oldest. Yeah. I thought I was going to. But you know, what in retrospect, and and it's funny. You know, we plan in and the man upstairs laps, and it it almost saved my life. I believe it really saved my life. Because my my diction was out of control. My lifestyle was out of control, and my moral compass was way off and so I needed this time out if you will. And so in in retrospect, I I have to in a weird way. Thank the prosecutor thing the jar. You cold Turkey in prison is that how that happened or Turkey. But that that is how you were able to get off of. Well, I did I did go to rehab before. I I did a detox program, and then I went on and did a behavior modification program for addicts. And so on and so forth, but the monkey was stolen my back. You know, I had all all that pressure. I know I d- if I was going to go to prison or not, and you know, while I was in rehab. They told me we'll do this this way. We, you know, we'll get we're going to help you not not not go to prison, and you adopt point in time. My biggest fear was was going to prison. I've never been to prison before never even got an a DUI in my life. So it was this weighed on me, and and waited on on on my family, and I was hoping for for the best. But, you know, sometimes we don't we don't know what's best for us. And so I I truly believe that when I got those forty eight months, it's when I was able to breathe that Sira leaf. It was like, well, I'm gonna prison. I'm going as crazy. That's how crazy and out of control my life was where hey you going to prison. It was like, wow. Okay. Thank god. No cars waiting outside my house. No paranoia will not that kind of paranoia. I mean, there are all sorts of different. Now paranoia is that would arrive in prison. It doesn't feel like it would be very safe now twenty up in a camp in Alabama federal prison and was like low security. It was Campos. Minimum right. Minimum. Minimum. Yeah. So Tony is they're teaching. I believe in nutrition course, Thira I was well it was a working camp. You know, you had to work. I started out teaching the. GD courses like math science reading for those that were there that needed to passer g the and we've it within that time. I did teach a little nutrition here and there, and then he was also in prison with Jeff skilling from the Enron scandal. Who is teaching business, correct? At the prison end. Jesse Jackson junior who is teaching policy in prison for political. This wasn't as dangerous as I imagined in my head. This was a little it was an educational it was educational, but that. Listen, the whole experience was terrible. When I was sentenced I didn't surrender to the camp. They didn't let me just go to camp I was held immediately. And so I went through the whole process where I was you know, incarcerated immediately, and then really have time and say vita my family, although I I was already prepared for something like this. And it was a little surprising that you know, I was held immediately. And then I had to go through the whole transfer system. So it was about three or four months later that actually got to my camp once there, I you know, I settled in and accept my fate tone. You said something earlier about like, you would aknowledge that you you did something wrong or took shortcuts. What is it that you think you did wrong? Why do you think you went to prison, or why did you think you deserved or needed to go? I mean other than of course to detox, but like an kind of reboot your life. Why do you think you went to prison? Well, the obvious reasons call what it is when I was doing was completely legal whose criminal in many aspects just the way that that it was done the whole method. What about the kids your high? School clients and the children and the kids and the parents, well, that's what got you in the real trouble. If you would have gotten a slap on the wrist of it had only been athletes, but once you do it with kids. That's what I thought. That's what got you into the real trouble. I agree with you. I agree with you. And I you might have gotten a slap on the wrist. If it had just been Manny, and Alex and not I don't think it would have ended up forty eight months, even though there were questions about whether or not you were a doctor. I'm I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to agree. I think that the my moral compass should've said, listen, I don't care if you're the parent, I'm not gonna treat your seventeen year old. Oh, but the doctor was making everybody great you're making everyone feel good. You're the guy who's getting everybody a little bit healthier a little more money, and the parents want it to it's funny. Most of these guests in the parents wanted it is crazy most these parents that brought me their kids wasn't so much to put him on a protocol to put him on a program. Ram? No there really had been drafted. But they had been using some type of performance enhancing substance from before and say, hey, can you clean up my kid 'cause you know, he's getting ready for the June draft, you know, help him mass. And I'm helping mask the situation, and I would say about sixty sixty five percent of the of of those underage kids. It was like that that that that was the cause. And then you had the other ones that. Yeah. Listen, I want to grow. I wa I wanna into the June draft. But nobody's going drive to five five five six scrawny. Little kid. No matter how good you are in baseball. And that's the truth of the matter. It's all eighty percent of visual. But nonetheless, that's where I should've said, listen, this is where I draw the line. No kids. All you had no line though. Right. There wasn't because they all went up his nose. Yeah. Tell me about how the five million dollars get spent explained to me how it is that major league baseball ends up with a five million dollar twenty bucks or something like four point two four point three somewhere in between four and five billion dollars. There was multiple attorneys that that you had Tony right? There was multiple Tournus the majority the majority of that money went to attorneys, and the story security, well second would be security and then with insecurity. There was also a lot of the other angst Larry bills or invoices, which is basically the hotel travel rental travel, the big lion's you're living a pretty big life yet. Yeah. But I I was living a much bigger life prior to that, you know, this life. I was this. Was you slowing down? I'm slowing down. All right. I'm slowing down. Why do you need security though? Like how much security do you need at this point is this because baseball's fearing that they can't have their chief proof being harmed by somebody like. Why not so much security? I think that well I didn't ask for so much security, but they gave me security. I think part of it was let's keep the sky safe. And I think the other part was, hey, this guy's a little crazy. Let's babysit this guy everywhere he goes. And that's the honest truth. You were a problem for everybody. You everybody was a little afraid of what you're going to reveal. Everybody was waiting outside of the house is a little bit afraid of who you're going to take down with you disguise a loose cannon. I don't know what what this guy's going to do tomorrow. You know, what he's going to say tomorrow? And so so I think that it was partly because of my safety and the safety of my my immediate family. But I think a lot of it also had to do with babysitting. I remember that one story in particular that, you know, we just exited A M O B offices, and my head of security says okay, now, we're going to go to this bar go. Why do I wanna go to a bar actually want to go to another Boris like a sink Carioca love singing karaoke? Okay. So anyway. Which is song. Are you going to if you're if you've got one song that using karaoke d- what you choose this living, and I got I got sweet home Alabama. I think is what I'm going. What is your what are you using Quintana Merrill? What he's saying? What's go wrong? But using London. True. I'm good when I'm good and drunk. I certainly do. Sweet caroline. There you go. There you go. You know, why it's easy? I can pull it all. That's that's my first one everybody sings along. Right. I actually sound good in it. So anything else after that? It's okay. But I remember this one time. It's like, okay. I wanna go this way is a no, no, no. They told us to go. The other way, I said who's us says, well, I'm OB says we have this tequila bar for you. And these are the two kilos we're gonna change. And so do and it was great. It was awesome. And I thank him today because there was this underground tequila bar, and and they took me there. It was crazy thinking about it. Now, it's almost like disguise crazy enough to go on its own. Let's manipulate the situation. Let's try to control him and the protesters and a redhead paid protesters to demonstrate outside of that one of 'em Melby headquarters in New York. It was quite energy. Hold on a second. Hold on. I want it before I get you guys outta here. I want to get Billy just to tease the people because again screwball. I'm telling you here. I haven't seen anything quite like this because it's truth. But it feels like fiction it feels a bit. Like a cartoon the when you say a rod paid some protesters. What are your three favorite goofy details from the movie, if I make you just wet the appetite because there are a million of them, but there's three goofy details where you're like. For example, when I think to myself baseball paying Tony Bosch five million dollars to just take care of him is crazy to me. It's not and there's like a million of those morsels spread all paying cash out of a paper bag for the amateur -ness of the investigation was stupefying to me. So some of my favorite things. Manny Ramirez is what a fascinating character. In fact, Tony refers to him as a cartoon character at times in the documentary. Manny didn't like to sleep alone. Tony is that right? Yeah. He didn't like to sleep alone. He was he was scared to sleep with the lights off and by himself. Yeah. So you'd have like a twin beds. He'd have twin bed in a hotel, and you would sleep on the neighboring bed and tell him a bedtime story. Right. And he wanted a bedtime story. It's like many why can't we just go to sleep. And so no. But you have to tell me a story. I okay. So what kind of story do you want? It says, well, do, you know, just an entertaining story, and I wouldn't mind if there's a couple of girls in the story, you know, and interesting, so so yeah, Krystof obey crazy only in Miami story. Tony actually has his last name. Bosch is a very famous and prominent name in the Cuban exile community going back. Very many decades. Your father is related to Orlando Bosch cousin or there's a first cousins of Madonna. So Orlando Bosch was a famous call it Cuban exile freedom fighter slash terrorist who famously stood in the late seventies. Stood on the MacArthur causeway with a bazooka on his shoulder and fired a missile at the side of polish freighter. Fortunately, the missile did not arm. It struck the side of the boat and rolled into government cut. But he was very eccentric. Only in Miami kind of kind of figure that's in the documentary, which is just bizarre the whole tanning subculture in a sunshine state. The fact that we get more sunshine probably a year than any other state in the union yet, we had this huge. I think more tanning salons per capita than any state in the union, and this sort of subculture of people who hang out in and around the fake tanning world. Of course, the fact that the reason why the state of Florida never really the department of health crackdown on these gray market anti-aging clinics is because not only are we hustle economy who needs businesses like this just keep the money going around in this economy. But of course, the governor of the state of floor. Twice elected governor now Senator from the great state of Florida is the largest Medicare fraudster in the history of America. So there wasn't exactly a priority. Put let's say on cracking down in the medical field on this community when you're executive of the most powerful government official in the state is in fact, the largest Medicare fraudster in the country. The fact that rob Manfred was the head of the biogenesis investigation as the second in command under bud. So I'm gonna cut you off because it's more than three things that you've given us there. If people want one hundred things they're all in the movie, they're all interesting. Go ahead. Keep going do wanna tell one one last thing. I do in say though, is and this really bothered me not as much as the high school patients that are clients that Tony had that really bothered me. But what bothered me almost as much what? And we address this in a single shot in the movie and this to me when I talk about I don't care about steroids in baseball. It's what's the saying? It's not something worth making a federal case of and they made a lot. A federal cases out of steroids in baseball including dragging players to testify before congress prosecuting them for perjury in front of congress. Now, I get the MLB is a monopoly, and that congress dozen joy a certain level of oversight over them as a result. But let's be real here. Tony had nearly one hundred cop clients from departments all over. I would assume at least two counties, certainly Miami. If not Broward if not Monroe of not Palm Beach and talk about a public health and safety crisis that congress should be holding hearings about that local prosecutors police departments commissioners mayors should be interested in I'm curious to know. Did anyone get in touch with you the feds the local authorities the state authorities mayors police chiefs, anybody say, hey, I want to hear about some of these police officers who are coming in doing steroids, and then going out and protecting and serving our communities than anybody. Come to you to talk about that. No never never have. That's a little frustrating. I would think okay. Well, we'll see what the movie reveals to people because I'm telling you was really good, and you should watch it. It's screw all the new documentary. The directors Billy Corbin the star. I think is Tony Bosch, although many people are trying to come after your place in that movie in terms of stardom as a rod and Manny some of the details. They're pretty strong. And I look forward to Dave Samson's review. I'm sorry. David samson. I like how you just tackled a lot of different layers because it's not beyond Miami. All that stuff. That's just the federal regulations all of it. The the idea that we're a Medicare that Miami is great at this kind of fraud. Tony, I appreciate you coming through here, Billy. I appreciate you coming through here spending the time with thank you. Because we gave you a bonus episode this week, no south beach session next week, which means it's not really a bonus episode. It's just us changing of the schedule in a way that disoriented you regardless it was all brought to you by T. So the official watch of the NBA Mike Ryan tell the people what they need. To know about T. So I love t so the official watch of the NBA. It's graduation season. You want to get that special graduated in your life the perfect gift? 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Episode Fourteen: Billy Corben & Tony Bosch

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Episode Fourteen: Billy Corben & Tony Bosch

"South beach sessions brought to you by T so official watch of the NBA shop at US dot T. So shop dot com. Hello. It's Dan laboratory. We've got a bonus episode of south beach sessions for you this week because we had Tony by and Billy Corbin talking about the movies screwball. You've seen Billy Corgan you cocaine Cowboys. He's made the rounds as a director for this movie screwball. Tony Bosch, you don't hear from so much. He's the biogenesis doctor who wasn't a doctor who was getting a hundred million dollar contracts for players while doing a bunch of cocaine and using black market techniques to get drugs. The whole thing was very Miami. It was crazy. The movie is on demand now screwball. We ask you to rate review. And subscribe on what it is. You're hearing. Now, if you want to hear more of it and screwball is something we're asking you to watch. 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Where you go to try this for free ZipRecruiter. It's the smartest way to hire. Here's Billy Corgan. And Tony Bosch the biogenesis doctors screwball on demand right now. Let's get to it. Billy Corgan is here with us as well. As Tony Bosch was at the centre. I remember this. It made me sad for journalism. Pedro Gomez chasing. Tony Bosch through a parking lot somewhere in Miami. Montes asking, oh, a Montes parking lot. Nice. That's that's a distinctly Miami parking lot the Montes park. I didn't even realize that that was the Montes parking lot. It was Pedro Gomez chasing you down and your the steroid. Doctor. That's getting everybody hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts. Right. Correct. I prior to that I bet at him. He couldn't catch me in the Montes parking lot. That's what was going on. Okay. So chased you down in the parking lot, and Billy one attracted you to this story because it has to be the Miami elements of insanity here. I'll absolutely it was it was on a radar because in our opposite racking tour, we literally have a Google spreadsheet of Florida story that we just keep track of all of these stories that come up and usually takes awhile sometimes decades for a story to ripen p it's too sensitive. People are in the thick of. Which they were obviously in two thousand thirteen early in the year, the Tim L Frink from the Miami New times broke the story of the biogenesis scandal as it became known. And in November of two thousand thirteen Alex Rodriguez was in the midst of the arbitration, he was the only player involved in the scandal who actually appealed his suspension, and why not I guess he figured I'd nothing to lose. It was the biggest suspension in the history of the sport short of a ban. And so he was a call from a rod publicist, and he said Alex will be in town. He has an office in Coral Gables during a break of the from the arbitration in November of twenty thirteen he'd like to get together with you and Alfred spellman you're producing partner. So I said, yeah, sure that sounds cool. We'll meet with Alex I figure this is going to be like a quiet thing in his office right in Coral Gables. No. They say we wanna meet you at hill stone restaurant on pasta Leon and miracle mile like the power lunch spot in the Gables plate glass windows, open kitchen. Everybody can see everything happening. So we go in. High noon and we get escorted down the center aisle. Alex is holding court centre-back booth literally on an elevated platform, we stood up on a stage to meet Alex in this crowded dining room, where if anybody's going to recognize me, it would be two miles from UM there and. People looking around who the hell's this having lunch with Iran? And I actually I send my icebreaker was. So who's going to call a page six you or us and only the publicist laughed and sure shit two weeks later, it was in page six and and we sat there with Alex. And he lied to us for the better part of an hour, hour and a half. I thought some of the things he had to say we're pretty compelling, but Alfred spellman my producing partner who is a degenerate baseball fan. He said not everything was like everything he just told us was a total lie. He's not gonna like this movie. That part is clear. I don't know who looks worse than than movie. What did Tony what did you think of the movie once you saw everything put in the same place? You're telling the story it's crazy because some people still have questions about whether your legitimate doctor or not whether the believes university is it believes university. Yeah. I I think they referred to as what was it. The money school, the belief school the medical and performing arts performing arts, which was a little musing. You know, I got it. What do I think of the moving my my motivation to even do this movie or do this or collaborate with with billing Alfred in this in this project was was twofold, one this was going to be the first time that the public was actually going to hear from me prior to that? If you if you lay out the whole story, you lay it's the it's the most comprehensive look I've seen it exactly how this all happen, and what spectacular shit show it was because it's breathtaking. It's a breathtaking shit show that you're getting hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts with one of these you know, we've got all over Miami. People who are pharmacists to aren't really pharmacists. I and you're sitting here taking using that money on wild Miami cocaine fueled parties that sounds like a great deal of craziness. And it was it was it was crazy, and I have to be honest with and it was fun. And you know, the results were there, which was was amazing. The results were there. Everybody was happy the players were happy. They were performing. I was getting what what I wanted. I was doing what I love to do passionate had and the players were performing. It was a beautiful thing. And it was all the way around because what you saw at the end of which you experience was the pushback from the fallout. But it was a great deal. Everybody was in on it from team physicians to the team managers traveling secretaries to coach you name it. And then of course, it's almost like I got left without a chair when the music stopped, and you were doing something that was known as wrong, but was quietly accepted throughout the baseball circles, largely your trafficking in these human growth hormone areas that are grey areas, and everyone is wink, wink, right up until you get caught at which point it all falls on your, absolutely. And I get it. I don't I don't blame anybody. But myself, I guess if I was I was on the other side, I'd be doing the same thing. But going back to the question was. The two biggest motivations were were one. There's a first time that I'm able to say, at least my side of the story after you see the film, then you can make your own conclusion, you may like me you may not like me. But at least the truth is out there. And you heard it from me from the horse's mouth. Secondly, hopefully, and in retrospect, maybe we're raising the debate. And we're we're we're pushing this in the forefront about this whole PD use L. You don't get to be a pioneer on this tone cocaine and the club to make some of the money and stuff you don't get to be a pioneer on elevating the steroids discussion. Well, I think I think that be because of my experience and because of my journey. I think I'm part owner of it to be honest with you, let's go anywhere with belly. Because I didn't see him as a pioneer Billy. I saw him as a distinctly Miami universe creature that was able to profit off of something that a lot of people in Miami were doing in the anti aging. Community because he climbed through a wonderful loophole where there were hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, first and foremost as we told stories in the past with the drug industry or the illicit drug trade in Miami. If it hadn't been one guy, it would have been another guy as long as the demand exists the supply will exist, so when when the belco scandal occurred there was obviously a vacuum in the marketplace. You know, there was an opportunity for somebody to come and fill the void. Which was baseball players were looking to cheat were looking to work around the Mitchell report that had come out about steroids in baseball and the new regulations that have been agreed upon by the players union and and major league baseball and so- Joni fill that void in the marketplace, very often Miami is on the cutting edge of all sorts of schemes and scams. And it was only natural that someone that Miami pioneer would have would fill the void in the doping in the doping. Marketplace, obviously, can you explain to us when you're stumbling around through this story on the reporting and you're coming up with again. Detail after detail explained to the audience who hasn't seen this movie. What you think are the details that will be most ridiculous. Well, first and foremost movies called screwball. So it is a bit of a farce. It's a it's a comedy really is what it is one of our first sort of comedy, documentaries that we've ever made. And really, I think the to put it into perspective the fact that the highest paid baseball player of all time his career was ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake, doctor and his fake tan addicted steroid patient, I think gives you some idea about era was just collateral damage in this. This was a beef between Tony Bosch and porter Fisher that that just brought down all of these major duty a baseball players along with him. But it is ultimately this Elmore. Leonard Carl hyacinth Coen brothers esque a botched kind of robbery it's a Carl hiaasen novel. It is something that is. Distinctly miami. It couldn't have happened anywhere else. But my did you see Tony wince when I said fake doctor? Did you see him wince as I said see him? Once you still don't like fake doctor. I mean, you had the lab coat. And it said Dr Tony about who think it's a comedy. Do you sit there because I watched and I'm like, this is a comedy. But did you think it was a comedy watching it? Or was it your way of being able to tell your story? And if you wanna laugh, you can laugh, but at least you're getting the details out there you want. Well, listen, it was a comedy. But the whole story was a comedy. I laughed all the way through over the years. I was I was laughing. So why not why not pick the right way in the movie? But were you laughing you aren't laughing once it was really coming down on you. Where are you? There was a dark period in there. So there was a very very dog period. Very Doug period for me, my family that lasted quite some time closer to years or more than that. And you asked me about the the common of fake doctor. And again, it is what it is. I'm not gonna I don't think my my purpose of being here. Today's really to defend myself, but I do have over twenty eight years of experience. I do have a doctor. Degree in allopathic medicine from the school performing arts like Tim O Frank like likes to say I did research for many years in this field. I worked with endocrinologist for many years in this field. Obviously that wasn't part of the movie, and I understand is a slanted lopsided filmmaker. Only interested in comedy didn't give your resume. Nobody wants to resume. Nobody. I know that I know that nobody wants my resume. It's all for entertainment purposes, to be quite honest. I don't get it. They say com- comedy is tragedy plus time. So I think that over time I think he's Tony's probably come to see the humor in it. And I will say this. He's not defending his resume, nor am I, but I will say that as Tony mentioned earlier the proof is in the pudding. He got results for his clients. This is not a business that Tony was advertising in the traditional sense out. There was no billboards. There were not commercials other no magazine heads it was word of mouth. So there were clients that Tony had that were getting the results they wanted that were coming to him to lose weight. Everybody was Ryan Braun. Manny. Ramirez the stories in the in the movie are hundred hundred cops hundred cop clients late people just in the community, and they were getting results, and they were telling their friends and their friends were coming to to be treated by by Tony Bosch that really happened. And so like, I said, I'm not going to sit here and defend myself, and I had two choices when I left prison when the second coming of Tony Bosch was going to happen. And I had to choice to run away from my password. Embrace my pass. I've never seen anybody grow from running away from their pass. So I made the choice to embrace what I did wrong. The short could site took who I was who I am now and move on and move. Also was there a -peutic for you to do it that way absolutely in this film, when when we were filming this film was very therapeutic because you weren't hiding anymore. You didn't have to be doing in the shadows. You could try and control some portion of your story or tried to or or try to. And a lease say the truth, and it's out there. And like I said after you see you made like me more, you may not like I want to ask Billy. I this is tough for documentarian. But I wanna like in the movie who do you think are the most interesting characters like who do you think are going to create the most polarizing opinions when people watch the movie well this incredible cast of characters right out of a Coen brothers movie. It's like, you know, Miami's America's CASA Blanca, so people flee here from all over the country and all over the world mostly from something illicit in their past, and they come here, and they almost create like the sort of like voltron of Florida career were they like they become like super criminal date like conspire with each other and come up with these cook these cockamamie schemes, which is what happened here when Puerto Fisher stole. Tony Bosch is records a a group of criminals than conspire to steal the stolen records. Not just sell them to the highest bidder. But sell them to every bitter, and any bitter who is willing to pay anything for that included. Major league baseball that include. Alex Rodriguez that included selling it back to Tony of necessary. Anybody willing to pay anything for it were very little moments of morality in screw and then feel like there were many in my opinion. I think who looks the worst in all of it is rob Manfred bud Seelig and major league baseball, in my opinion, the way they came down. Here reminded me a lot of like the NCW investigation involving university of Miami and Nevin Shapiro in high. We say like you come down to the swamp. You're gonna get dirty. You're going to get some mud of these these are enforcement arms that don't have any real power. Right. Like, no accountability. Apparently. And I mean, major league baseball started their own internal investigation division their own sort of FBI that would go out to the cities and investigate the chicanery. And they just they're a lot of them are ex cops from NYPD from Boston. And they just go do whatever they want. They seduced a former nurse of Tony's. They were sending flowers and gifts to Tony his girlfriend at the time. Well, not to me I wish there were to me if they would have. Send me flowers. I would actually public baseball was actually dealing in cash transactions. Something that was sweet. Sweet fund they have a slush fund, and they had they spent one hundred twenty thousand dollars cash in literally like a gym bag to a convicted felon in a diner in Palm Beach county. And are they going to ten ninety nine him? What what exactly is MLB doing running around with that kind of cash and paying for what they knew were stolen medical records from a convicted felon. I mean what what was the plan there? And we interview an investigator from the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who said that the behavior of major league baseball investigators in the state of Florida was illegal. They unquestionably engaged in illegal behavior broke the laws of the state of Florida with absolutely zero consequent nobody was behaving by legal motives like who was who was doing anything yet. We'll listen every time like someone's your these new stories like fake doctor found in Hialeah faked. Doctor found Little Havana, I'm like that's not news news would be real doctor found in Hialeah. He'll doctor. Well, it's like this is part of the culture. Down here, you know, like people injecting fix a flat into women's bottoms to give them Brazilian. You know bootleg Brazilian Butler. You know, and like this is just part of the culture. I think it's I think it's part of the multi-culture I should say down here. Part of the reason is that there are people who are doctors in their home country. And because we have such a diverse community p people do feel comfortable going to doctors who were who may not be licensed physicians in the state of Florida in the United States. But were in fact, doctors, you know, back in the in their home country, then there's also an idea that a lot of Miami exists in what I like to call the gray market economy. We expect that that everybody will have sort of a shady side. Speaking of the shadiness of Tony like once you were getting swallowed by this. No. But when you were getting swallowed by this, and you were suffering. It you were trying to you know, shell game it with dollars. Like, what was the worst of it when you felt oh, this is out of my control? Now, this has gotten away from me. Now, this is going to be a problem for me. I'll tell you what I'll tell you a specific story. That I actually said to myself. Okay. This is this is gotten to ridiculous. It's got an a out of control, and it was one time in and it would happen quite often. But this one time in particular, I remember leaving my house. I was living in the grove at that time. I think it was one of the safe houses that because I was being moved around. Right. So it was one of the safe houses that I use. It was in coconut grove, and I left and it was early morning. Hold on a second. Explain to people why it is that Unisem -tated safe houses. Well, I needed to save houses because I was getting daily threats you're talking about numerous, athletes and these athletes had their own people. And so the text messages in the phone calls were were ridiculous. They would they go twenty four hours. I would I would I would wake up at for him in the morning. I would see five text messages. Hey, you better. Not do this better. Not tell us you testify or not testify who's doing this who's sending you these texts. Well. The the these were all different people. From Alex is Cam there was there was numerous numerous people and other athletes, also, so I don't know, they're they're they're they're entourage. If you will. Okay. So I'm sorry. I interrupted you're coming out of your home and go. Yeah. Some coming at coconut grove, but but I'm coming out of my house in the grove. And I think I told Billy the story ones. I don't know why didn't make the film. But but anyway, interesting story some coming out, right? And it's early in the morning and get in my car. And of course, as I'm walking towards my car. I'm suit MC. I know the neighborhood. So I know what cars belong there. What cars don't belong there to probably a little paranoid at this? And I'm very paranoid at this point cocaine doesn't help that by the way. No, it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't. And and and by I was I was using at this point in time. Although that say, yes, yeah. Well, I would like to state I've been five years clean, so actually. Okay. Thanks. And so going back to story. So. Some sitting Mike I'm getting my car. I'm looking around. And there's all these cars in thinking myself. Oh my God. There's like five cars there with people inside cameras inside the the car. So I had the DA in one. I had a good fellas. All of a sudden, it was crazy shitty. Good foul. Shitty. Could develop in a way. Why should a good because this happened to me? So anyway, wondering rather helicopter I go right around. I was looking I was leaving with Alec out. There was you know, so anyway, another coat with a rubs people official people. Okay. 'cause then you got you got the wannabes that that when you want to get in good grace with a rod. You know what I mean? So they could collect on the on the reward their your air. Reward. Right. But there's a lot of money. There was a lot of money. Okay. But this is before I even said anything that's crazy part about it. Nobody knew I was going to testify new. Nobody knew I was planning on festival. I was planning to, you know, make a left Mika arrived. Make all the threats made you want to testify all to get out of the whole well that and now you got undercover DA you got undercover cops freaking out that I'd testify against him. You got Aras official people a unofficial people all the and so I got five six every time. I leave. I would have numerous cars follow me wherever I went. And this one time I said, listen this is enough. You know, I think I had like five or six cars following me. And I said I'm done I you know in order to fight this fight. 'cause I was ready in it wasn't like if I could just take off, you know. And I imagine you considered it. I imagine you consider trying to get away from your entire. Life. Absolutely, absolutely. Like hiding is a fugitive because that can't be fun all of that that you're experiencing. It was terrible. And to be fair though. There was somewhat of a financial incentive in that this this lifestyle that Tony was leading as you just described was very expensive one that in. You're not make generating any revenue at the time. But yet had to move from house to house had to take care of his on occasion child support payments in Alamo knee, and what have you and then rent and vehicles and security and to be realize you said seriously monied interests, you had a multimillionaire in Alex Rodriguez a multibillion dollar monopoly in major league baseball who not only had their official investigation. But what they called a shadow investigation. They hired PI's locally. This was a whole cottage industry in Miami. And in a town that subsists hustle on. Yeah. It was an economy in a town that, you know, subsists from hustle to hustle and everybody side-hustle has got side hustles. You look for these types of opportunity. So everybody was bathing in this or feeding in this trough of MLB and Alex. And be old Tony I mean, MLB covered your expenses when when when you decided to cooperate they covered you had legal expenses, you had security expenses, you had personal money to party in New York with some of that money. No. They covered that too. Craft services. Service actually invoicing major league baseball expense reports. Well, my security invoice, my lawyer invoiced and all the other individuals that to pardon this whole thing. I think we did the math at total just over four close to five million close to five million now, wait a minute. What we actually added up in the documentary beat we do the math right on camera. Right. And so your dealing with how many people who are doubling in criminal behavior here as or all of them, really. I mean every single one of them arguably, including the whistle blower, including major league baseball, including a rod who actually it was. It was reported only in passing that Arafat had a Queen for a day meeting with the feds with the DA Aucoin for a day meeting is is when you basically get to come in tell the feds everything, you know, and they agree not to prosecute you for everything but lying to them. That's not covered. In fact, George popadopoulos. One of the president's men famously got prosecuted for lying in his Queen for a day meeting. The whole point is not to live the whole point is we're not going to prosecute you for anything. You say we will not use anything you say against you, and Alex famously lied in that Queen for a day meeting and was not prosecuted so everybody in some to some extent was engaged in criminal behavior. Here it was pretty sensational in that way. I wanna get to how you go through five million dollars in expenses here in a second. I want to get to that with Tony. But when you talk about a Iran and the original meeting with him and him lying to you the entire time. You felt like are you didn't feel like you. It was your film partner told you. He was lying. Yeah. What is it that was happening in that meeting that you were believing before he told you that it wasn't true because I'm not a baseball fan? And in fact, don't give a shit about steroids in baseball. Literally don't care. I mean, the baseball hall of fame is filled with racists and drug addicts and cheaters and alcoholics indigestion. Madison. Hateful horrible people so players whose bodies are their fortune whose livelihood or contingent upon healing faster. I mean, Tommy John surgery, isn't that a performance enhancing procedure. Like, I don't really understand it you give your kids Admiral. Throughput morality stupid sports, morality integrity ethics all of that. I think it's hip ankle. And all of us would choose a fountain of youth later in life. If we could course, and these guys are I mean, they're relying upon that, you know, their bodies and their physical health. So I don't really give it give a crap about about really any of that. I was interested in in this insane sort of true crime story that this was and that's what I really was interested in. So Alfred who is much more interested in the purity in the sanctity of the game. In fact, it was a pitcher in high school at north Miami Beach, senior high go chargers. And in fact, interestingly I don't know if he wants me to tell the story, but I'll do it. Anyway, Alfred pitched against a rod probably about his senior year in high school. Everybody already knew that Alex was going to be was Alex. You know, he was going to be drafted and make some big money really soon. And it was some sort of summer. I think it was on Frazier's camp, actually, and they had some sort of summer league game or whatever and Alford pitched against him and Alfred's claim to fame. There was that he held Alex to a triple. And I thought what a cute story to tell at this lunch remaining Alex Rodriguez when when you get this chance, I thought it would just be a fun way to create some common ground. We're all Miami boys right now Alfred actually pitched against you yet. So I told Alex the story. Alfred looked embarrassed, you know, and I told him the story like any held you to a triple like, here's the highest paid baseball player when most famous guys one of the greatest in the history of the game he wins. He looked like he grimaced when I said that Alfred held onto a triple like like like there was a a sensitivity. There was he was so fragile about that. And like this was twenty years ago, whatever it was acute funny. Little story here about these two guys you've met before you know, that kind of thing and he looked sensitive to that. And and I was that told me a lot about. But that's what made me think he was an interesting character. Like a compelling character. He was making points about like, I never met. Tony bosch. Of course. This is he was telling everybody at that time to fear. He was in a battle of the legacies. He was trying to preserve his career. And is integral he was riding the lie right till the end three hat tricks through Commissioner's meetings, all of that stuff. Oh, he was going to go down fighting, or at least lying that was fat. And he didn't fact, but like he I he made the point like you notice that my game stats didn't improve after the time that this Bosch character claims that he was treating yada yada. So I like he was making these points at I couldn't verify contemporaneous. Look in the moment. I'd actually have to leave and confirmed, but he was making a very good case for himself. And I thought a compelling case for himself. I thought he was sympathetic. I thought he was an interesting I thought it was a complicated guy didn't have much of a sense of humor at at the time for perhaps obvious reasons. But I just thought I thought this is an interesting guy. I'm like, I thought he made some good points offer. It's like no way. He's like don't. He's totally full of it. He's lying about everything, of course, in January of two thousand fourteen they settled the arbitration of the I think he wound up with one hundred sixty four game suspension. It was quote unquote reduced, but I. It remains the highest suspension the history biggest suspension history of the game. And then I kept emailing the publicist and emailing. You guys want to do this interview you want to do this? And for like, seven months, I interview I emailed them in the and Alex wasn't wasn't interested in doing this story. But in October of two thousand fourteen we heard from Tony Tony was interested. And once you meet Tony and then the following year. I met Puerto Fisher who reached out through Email via Tim L Frank which was kind of wild. When the three main figures in this extraordinary scandal, reach out, independent of each other to you you kind of feel like the universe is trying to tell you something. So we decided to do it. And when you meet, Tony, and you meet Puerto you realize, oh, this is the story. These guys are the story. Alex, Alex, isn't the story. He's a supporting character in this story. And and these guys actually were we met them, and they told us the truth. You know, they give us verifiable facts. Whereas, Alex, of course, everything he said, you know, daleks tells you the sky's blue you gotta look. Outside and talk to six scientists for before you publish that information. You know? So these guys told us the truth dirty guys told you the truth the guys who were a little orange the guys who were doing the unscrupulous things. It's not unlike Consejo coming through. He's the one who had all the information. He told the truth about every game. But he also had a credibility problem because he was doing things like you end up in jail over this you end up in jail in bef- racing. Yeah. Prison excuse me. And you can you explain to us how you get to the point of something that felt like relief where on on what side of this. Did you get where you were? Finally, like, okay, I'm past the darkness. Wow. The there was so many 'em phases throughout this whole thing. But where I felt the most relief was as crazy as it sounds. It was when I was sentenced to forty eight months. It was okay. It's over. That's it. This is my punishment. Did you think it was going to be worse than that? Or did you fear? It would be worse than that. After going through all the shit. And all the publicity that I'm going to be honest with. I'm very optimistic. I thought I was going to get a slap on the wrist oldest. Yeah. I thought I was going to. But you know, what in retrospect, and and it's funny. You know, we plan in and the man upstairs laps, and it it almost saved my life. I believe it really saved my life. Because my my diction was out of control. My lifestyle was out of control, and my moral compass was way off and so I needed this time out if you will. And so in in retrospect, I I have to in a weird way. Thank the prosecutor thing the jar. You cold Turkey in prison is that how that happened or Turkey. But that that is how you were able to get off of. Well, I did I did go to rehab before. I I did a detox program, and then I went on and did a behavior modification program for addicts. And so on and so forth, but the monkey was stolen my back. You know, I had all all that pressure. I know I d- if I was going to go to prison or not, and you know, while I was in rehab. They told me we'll do this this way. We, you know, we'll get we're going to help you not not not go to prison, and you adopt point in time. My biggest fear was was going to prison. I've never been to prison before never even got an a DUI in my life. So it was this weighed on me, and and waited on on on my family, and I was hoping for for the best. But, you know, sometimes we don't we don't know what's best for us. And so I I truly believe that when I got those forty eight months, it's when I was able to breathe that Sira leaf. It was like, well, I'm gonna prison. I'm going as crazy. That's how crazy and out of control my life was where hey you going to prison. It was like, wow. Okay. Thank god. No cars waiting outside my house. No paranoia will not that kind of paranoia. I mean, there are all sorts of different. Now paranoia is that would arrive in prison. It doesn't feel like it would be very safe now twenty up in a camp in Alabama federal prison and was like low security. It was Campos. Minimum right. Minimum. Minimum. Yeah. So Tony is they're teaching. I believe in nutrition course, Thira I was well it was a working camp. You know, you had to work. I started out teaching the. GD courses like math science reading for those that were there that needed to passer g the and we've it within that time. I did teach a little nutrition here and there, and then he was also in prison with Jeff skilling from the Enron scandal. Who is teaching business, correct? At the prison end. Jesse Jackson junior who is teaching policy in prison for political. This wasn't as dangerous as I imagined in my head. This was a little it was an educational it was educational, but that. Listen, the whole experience was terrible. When I was sentenced I didn't surrender to the camp. They didn't let me just go to camp I was held immediately. And so I went through the whole process where I was you know, incarcerated immediately, and then really have time and say vita my family, although I I was already prepared for something like this. And it was a little surprising that you know, I was held immediately. And then I had to go through the whole transfer system. So it was about three or four months later that actually got to my camp once there, I you know, I settled in and accept my fate tone. You said something earlier about like, you would aknowledge that you you did something wrong or took shortcuts. What is it that you think you did wrong? Why do you think you went to prison, or why did you think you deserved or needed to go? I mean other than of course to detox, but like an kind of reboot your life. Why do you think you went to prison? Well, the obvious reasons call what it is when I was doing was completely legal whose criminal in many aspects just the way that that it was done the whole method. What about the kids your high? School clients and the children and the kids and the parents, well, that's what got you in the real trouble. If you would have gotten a slap on the wrist of it had only been athletes, but once you do it with kids. That's what I thought. That's what got you into the real trouble. I agree with you. I agree with you. And I you might have gotten a slap on the wrist. If it had just been Manny, and Alex and not I don't think it would have ended up forty eight months, even though there were questions about whether or not you were a doctor. I'm I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to agree. I think that the my moral compass should've said, listen, I don't care if you're the parent, I'm not gonna treat your seventeen year old. Oh, but the doctor was making everybody great you're making everyone feel good. You're the guy who's getting everybody a little bit healthier a little more money, and the parents want it to it's funny. Most of these guests in the parents wanted it is crazy most these parents that brought me their kids wasn't so much to put him on a protocol to put him on a program. Ram? No there really had been drafted. But they had been using some type of performance enhancing substance from before and say, hey, can you clean up my kid 'cause you know, he's getting ready for the June draft, you know, help him mass. And I'm helping mask the situation, and I would say about sixty sixty five percent of the of of those underage kids. It was like that that that that was the cause. And then you had the other ones that. Yeah. Listen, I want to grow. I wa I wanna into the June draft. But nobody's going drive to five five five six scrawny. Little kid. No matter how good you are in baseball. And that's the truth of the matter. It's all eighty percent of visual. But nonetheless, that's where I should've said, listen, this is where I draw the line. No kids. All you had no line though. Right. There wasn't because they all went up his nose. Yeah. Tell me about how the five million dollars get spent explained to me how it is that major league baseball ends up with a five million dollar twenty bucks or something like four point two four point three somewhere in between four and five billion dollars. There was multiple attorneys that that you had Tony right? There was multiple Tournus the majority the majority of that money went to attorneys, and the story security, well second would be security and then with insecurity. There was also a lot of the other angst Larry bills or invoices, which is basically the hotel travel rental travel, the big lion's you're living a pretty big life yet. Yeah. But I I was living a much bigger life prior to that, you know, this life. I was this. Was you slowing down? I'm slowing down. All right. I'm slowing down. Why do you need security though? Like how much security do you need at this point is this because baseball's fearing that they can't have their chief proof being harmed by somebody like. Why not so much security? I think that well I didn't ask for so much security, but they gave me security. I think part of it was let's keep the sky safe. And I think the other part was, hey, this guy's a little crazy. Let's babysit this guy everywhere he goes. And that's the honest truth. You were a problem for everybody. You everybody was a little afraid of what you're going to reveal. Everybody was waiting outside of the house is a little bit afraid of who you're going to take down with you disguise a loose cannon. I don't know what what this guy's going to do tomorrow. You know, what he's going to say tomorrow? And so so I think that it was partly because of my safety and the safety of my my immediate family. But I think a lot of it also had to do with babysitting. I remember that one story in particular that, you know, we just exited A M O B offices, and my head of security says okay, now, we're going to go to this bar go. Why do I wanna go to a bar actually want to go to another Boris like a sink Carioca love singing karaoke? Okay. So anyway. Which is song. Are you going to if you're if you've got one song that using karaoke d- what you choose this living, and I got I got sweet home Alabama. I think is what I'm going. What is your what are you using Quintana Merrill? What he's saying? What's go wrong? But using London. True. I'm good when I'm good and drunk. I certainly do. Sweet caroline. There you go. There you go. You know, why it's easy? I can pull it all. That's that's my first one everybody sings along. Right. I actually sound good in it. So anything else after that? It's okay. But I remember this one time. It's like, okay. I wanna go this way is a no, no, no. They told us to go. The other way, I said who's us says, well, I'm OB says we have this tequila bar for you. And these are the two kilos we're gonna change. And so do and it was great. It was awesome. And I thank him today because there was this underground tequila bar, and and they took me there. It was crazy thinking about it. Now, it's almost like disguise crazy enough to go on its own. Let's manipulate the situation. Let's try to control him and the protesters and a redhead paid protesters to demonstrate outside of that one of 'em Melby headquarters in New York. It was quite energy. Hold on a second. Hold on. I want it before I get you guys outta here. I want to get Billy just to tease the people because again screwball. I'm telling you here. I haven't seen anything quite like this because it's truth. But it feels like fiction it feels a bit. Like a cartoon the when you say a rod paid some protesters. What are your three favorite goofy details from the movie, if I make you just wet the appetite because there are a million of them, but there's three goofy details where you're like. For example, when I think to myself baseball paying Tony Bosch five million dollars to just take care of him is crazy to me. It's not and there's like a million of those morsels spread all paying cash out of a paper bag for the amateur -ness of the investigation was stupefying to me. So some of my favorite things. Manny Ramirez is what a fascinating character. In fact, Tony refers to him as a cartoon character at times in the documentary. Manny didn't like to sleep alone. Tony is that right? Yeah. He didn't like to sleep alone. He was he was scared to sleep with the lights off and by himself. Yeah. So you'd have like a twin beds. He'd have twin bed in a hotel, and you would sleep on the neighboring bed and tell him a bedtime story. Right. And he wanted a bedtime story. It's like many why can't we just go to sleep. And so no. But you have to tell me a story. I okay. So what kind of story do you want? It says, well, do, you know, just an entertaining story, and I wouldn't mind if there's a couple of girls in the story, you know, and interesting, so so yeah, Krystof obey crazy only in Miami story. Tony actually has his last name. Bosch is a very famous and prominent name in the Cuban exile community going back. Very many decades. Your father is related to Orlando Bosch cousin or there's a first cousins of Madonna. So Orlando Bosch was a famous call it Cuban exile freedom fighter slash terrorist who famously stood in the late seventies. Stood on the MacArthur causeway with a bazooka on his shoulder and fired a missile at the side of polish freighter. Fortunately, the missile did not arm. It struck the side of the boat and rolled into government cut. But he was very eccentric. Only in Miami kind of kind of figure that's in the documentary, which is just bizarre the whole tanning subculture in a sunshine state. The fact that we get more sunshine probably a year than any other state in the union yet, we had this huge. I think more tanning salons per capita than any state in the union, and this sort of subculture of people who hang out in and around the fake tanning world. Of course, the fact that the reason why the state of Florida never really the department of health crackdown on these gray market anti-aging clinics is because not only are we hustle economy who needs businesses like this just keep the money going around in this economy. But of course, the governor of the state of floor. Twice elected governor now Senator from the great state of Florida is the largest Medicare fraudster in the history of America. So there wasn't exactly a priority. Put let's say on cracking down in the medical field on this community when you're executive of the most powerful government official in the state is in fact, the largest Medicare fraudster in the country. The fact that rob Manfred was the head of the biogenesis investigation as the second in command under bud. So I'm gonna cut you off because it's more than three things that you've given us there. If people want one hundred things they're all in the movie, they're all interesting. Go ahead. Keep going do wanna tell one one last thing. I do in say though, is and this really bothered me not as much as the high school patients that are clients that Tony had that really bothered me. But what bothered me almost as much what? And we address this in a single shot in the movie and this to me when I talk about I don't care about steroids in baseball. It's what's the saying? It's not something worth making a federal case of and they made a lot. A federal cases out of steroids in baseball including dragging players to testify before congress prosecuting them for perjury in front of congress. Now, I get the MLB is a monopoly, and that congress dozen joy a certain level of oversight over them as a result. But let's be real here. Tony had nearly one hundred cop clients from departments all over. I would assume at least two counties, certainly Miami. If not Broward if not Monroe of not Palm Beach and talk about a public health and safety crisis that congress should be holding hearings about that local prosecutors police departments commissioners mayors should be interested in I'm curious to know. Did anyone get in touch with you the feds the local authorities the state authorities mayors police chiefs, anybody say, hey, I want to hear about some of these police officers who are coming in doing steroids, and then going out and protecting and serving our communities than anybody. Come to you to talk about that. No never never have. That's a little frustrating. I would think okay. Well, we'll see what the movie reveals to people because I'm telling you was really good, and you should watch it. It's screw all the new documentary. The directors Billy Corbin the star. I think is Tony Bosch, although many people are trying to come after your place in that movie in terms of stardom as a rod and Manny some of the details. They're pretty strong. And I look forward to Dave Samson's review. I'm sorry. David samson. I like how you just tackled a lot of different layers because it's not beyond Miami. All that stuff. That's just the federal regulations all of it. The the idea that we're a Medicare that Miami is great at this kind of fraud. Tony, I appreciate you coming through here, Billy. I appreciate you coming through here spending the time with thank you. Because we gave you a bonus episode this week, no south beach session next week, which means it's not really a bonus episode. It's just us changing of the schedule in a way that disoriented you regardless it was all brought to you by T. So the official watch of the NBA Mike Ryan tell the people what they need. To know about T. So I love t so the official watch of the NBA. It's graduation season. You want to get that special graduated in your life the perfect gift? 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102: Baseball on Drugs in Screwball

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102: Baseball on Drugs in Screwball

"Welcome to peer nonfiction the podcast interviewing documentary film-makers. I'm Tom powers the documentary. Programmer for the Toronto international film festival and artistic director of docket y c. This episode. I interviewed the Miami filmmaking team of rack on tour their best known for their film cocaine Cowboys about Miami's drug trade in the nineteen eighty s they discussed that film on this podcast two years ago. We joked now that the first call everybody makes when they get out of prison is to their mother and their second cost Iraq into her. That's producer. Alfred spellman from episode forty to his partner is director, Billy Corbin. Their latest film is screwball about the major league baseball scandal. Over performance enhancing drugs that tarnished. The reputation of Yankee star Alex Rodriguez and other players the story has deep ties to their hometown Miami is where a rod grew up, and I came to attention as a high school athlete. Miami was also home to the biogenesis clinic whose owner Tony Bosch supplied. A rod with performance enhancing drugs. Here's Bosh in the film. My experience with Alex. I guess I got to summarize as he was weird. I remember him having an apartment the apartment on the New York. The whole entire apartment was white. I'm done about even the wood floors. I thought it was just it was just too white all the TV's were on. And it was basically footage from years ago of himself hitting homerun or hitting the winning VI. He used it as motivation and inspiration. Miami is where Bosch is drug practice was exposed by whistleblower named porter Fisher he was one time associate of Bosch. But he grew angry when he loaned Bosch four thousand dollars that went unpaid. So he stole bashes records. Let's go inside I go, and I'm like what if somebody's going to kill me? Now, would you do with the story? And I want my money. No, what do you want? And I go I just want my money back. I'm asking what do you want? I said I want to fuck pay. I want the motherfucker to pay for stealing from me. We'll make that happen. We'll make sure he gets his. But for right now, all you want is you just want my money. I'll make that happen. But I need those books. The story was first exposed in the Miami New times by reporter, Tim L Fink who's interviewed in the film. You can't understand the deal that porter and Tony Bosch made for four thousand dollars. It's probably because the deal doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of dispute now over whether this four thousand dollars was an investment in the company, whether it was alone. I think basically what you had here. The guy Tony Bosch whose life was already sort of spiraling out of control who is willing to do anything money. I think you've probably told porter anything he needed to tell them to get this money out of his pocket. The story is full of comic characters like in the Miami crime novels of Elmore Leonard or Carl hiaasen I sat down with Alfred Billy during the Miami film festival where SCR. Rupaul won the documentary audience award. They told me the first person who brought this story to them was Alex Rodriguez. It was twenty thirteen. A rod was in the middle of arbitrations with major league baseball over his potential suspension for drug use Alfred Billy recalled the lunch with a rod at powerbrokers restaurant near the university of Miami. Billy sets the scene we sit down and very quickly just from the whole scene. I got the sense of what this was all about. And so my spreaker when we sat down was who's gonna call page six you're us and some people chuckled, Alex. I don't remember chuckling at the time he was in the midst of fighting for his career in a livelihood. So he didn't really seem to have much of a sense of humor. But sure enough within a week or two it was in. It was in page six and I'll tell you that we didn't we didn't call page six, but it was very clear that we were sort of pawns. In Alex's PR offensive against major league baseball in an attempt to kind of I don't know what to intimidate them that he was going to spill the beans on what I'm not sure. But we sat there with Alex for about an hour and a half hilarious to me that a guy who is under investigation for drugging baseball decides. You know, who I'm going to get I'm going to get the guys made cocaine Cowboys. But we sat there for an hour maybe hour and a half during which Alex sitting close to me as you are right now. Just lied and lied and lied and lied, and I found some of it very compelling jumping now and say Billy you've made films about football. I think that's more your sport. Elfriede your the baseball fan in this degenerate baseball fan. And so we sat there listening to Alex. Deny everything and deny having taken steroids and being involved with Tony Bosch. And so building I walked out of there. And I said, I said, I said, I I think he's terribly compelling character. I think you made a lot of very compelling points. And I was persuaded on some of it, and I didn't buy it at all. And sure enough couple of weeks later, the arbitrator found him guilty, and and Alex was suspended. Alfred is the baseball expert in in this company. I'm not I referred to screen saver. I think the players are one collective bargaining agreement away from hitting a ball and then hopping onto a golf cart and riding around the bases. I'm not I mean, I get it. But doesn't have the integrity of the NFL. It's no shocker that. America's pastime is filled with liars and cheaters let's just put it. Let's put it that way. But but definitely Alfred in fact, and you're this I thought was going to be an interesting kind of ice breaker as well. Alfred pitched against a rod in a summer league in high school. We had a I played high school baseball in Dade County. Alex few years older than me, but I take onto summer camp down. Ron Frazier sports camp down at the university of Miami. So Alex of the older guys. Who is they did, you know, even then everybody. He was headed out to. He ended up getting drafted number one in the Seattle Mariners. Everybody knew he was he was hot stuff in Dade County and gay couches to breeding ground for baseball players. The talent that comes out of south Florida. We as Billy's fetish is a bit in the U as far as football talent. But baseball talented, south Florida is Jerry and Jose Canseco was obviously our biggest here's his way. Not how'd you do pitching. Hit by off the top of the wall. Triple basically would have an Alfred disaster to a. After their meeting with a rod in twenty thirteen. They never heard from him again. But around six months later, they heard from Tony Bosch, Tony Bosch is the the basically demand at the center of the scandal of the center of the Alex Rodriguez, the biogenesis turds kennel he is went to medical school in Belize never got licensed in the United States to be a doctor but ended up running an anti aging clinic series of a series of anti-aging clinics where he would treat not only local Miami. But also had a roster of athletes professional athletes. So we went and met with Tony Bosch and not only professionals, right? That's right. Well, college and high school players as well. In south Florida. Several of the players have got taken in the two thousand five draft out of the university of Miami were clients of his in fact, his office was right across the street from the university of Miami baseball field, which is known as Alex ROY. Garrigue is park. Thanks to a big donation at that altitude baseball program. And so what was it about? Tony Bosch that made him the go-to person for for drugs, and and we always referred to this steroids. But it was it steroid. Well, that's the thing. There's so the evolution of for lack of a better term for performance enhancing drugs, which was kind of a catchall for what we're talking about. Steroids had the typical kind of anabolic Jim ROY did kind of steroid-free that you that you stereo typically imagined at kind of transformed by the lead zeros into. Human growth hormone HGH. So you all of a sudden had you went from these artifices substances to itchy H and testosterone, which really became Tony's main for lack of better term, his Goto substance Antonis big theory, or that he propounded was the theory of microdosing where if you took just enough you would get the benefit of the testosterone boost, but wouldn't be enough that would show up in a drug test and at the right schedule schedule the right times. So he created various different formulas for how the product right Gumy's and creams and things like this where where he would administer it. So it wasn't only that he was supplying stuff. He was coming up with a whole strategy to help players of aid detections, correct. And he says in the documentary, he sees himself as a scientist and behind the scenes that is formulating. He looks at your bloodwork, and he. With what he calls a protocol. Which is based on what you wish to accomplish weight loss mitigating effects of age weight gain muscle mass more energy. And so he takes your blood work your goals and formulates a protocol with his products and schedule, and if you're if you are a professional ballplayer who needs to evade testing restrictions and requirements. He comes over the much more strict schedule, and when to take them in what doses, and he just you'll he'll I've seen you seen his his books as composition books that were essentially his medical records. And there are these meticulous formulas it looks like the periodic table of elements in there. And so there's a question of what it is that he understands or doesn't understand about it. But he seems to know what he's talking about. And more importantly, the proof is in the pudding. He had clients who were true believers who got the results that they wanted from him. So you here. Here from Tony Bosch. So we go to me with Tony. And at that point he had pled guilty and was awaiting sentencing he had been charged federally by the DA for administering these performance enhancing drugs to high school students. And so at this point the scandal had essentially ended the last thing was for me to be sentenced and we admit on Saturday. I remember and he was scheduled to be sentenced on Tuesday. And so the idea was that we would shoot his interviews. He was in a drug rehab at that point for a cocaine problem had violated his probation my testing positive for cocaine use right? And so he was in a rehab facility. And the idea was that he would be given. Or he believed that he would be given sixty days to surrender to the authorities. So that he complete the program. I remember this like he was so confident about this is what's going to happen. So so the proposal. Was that we would shoot his interview during the sixty day window before he had to surrender. And then go make the documentary. He would go serve his sentence. I Tony listen. Why don't we wait to see what happens whether it's thirty days or forty five days or sixty days. This is all the time of freedom. You're going to have left between now and your surrending surrendering yourself to to serve what he assumed would be two year or less federal prison sentence. I said you want to spend some time with your family getting your affairs in order. Let's see how you feel before you dedicate to three or four days to us to do an interview for a documentary. Let's see what happens with the sentencing. And then and then we'll make a decision about whether or not you want to dedicate the time to that. So it went very well. Tony is a very charismatic likeable individual hugely. So as we see in the film, I say that if John Stewart has pioneered the Florida man phrase, Tony is your quintessential Miami, man. And so we had a great time. We sat and we chatted and said, okay, let's see what happens on Tuesday. And sure enough Tuesday he goes into federal. For sentencing and billionaire following yet on Twitter because it's cameras in the courtroom. So we're hearing about what's happening in sensually. Judge says instead of two years right gets four years and instead of forty five to sixty days to surrender. He has like forty five to sixty minutes to surrender. The judge basically told them you'll get clean in prison. Take off your belt shoelaces and forty five minutes to turn yourself in and Tony went away. And that we thought was for at least four years going to be the end of that. And. Yeah, billion billionaire shrug. It's like, oh, we got this. Call from Alex. I got this call from Tony. It's kind of funny too. Because like ordinarily unless we're doing a verite project to follow doc. You know, we we tend to come in a little later in the game of these historic events. So as this was the tail end of the scandal. So it seemed a little like a fresh wound. It hadn't the story hadn't quite ripened yet. And clearly it hadn't based on the fact that now this guy was going away for four years. So he kind of shrugged and put it back on the back burner. Once again. And then there was a third person who reached out to Timmel Frank the journalists from the formerly of the Miami New times now at the Washington Post who broke the story, he he was the the Woodward and the Bernstein of of the Genesis steroids scandal, he had obtained these stolen documents from the whistle blower and kind of scorned. Former patient of Tony Bosch porter Fisher, Tim rights being says, hey, listen porter Fisher has asked for your contact info. He'd like to discuss the possibility of of doing a documentary. Can I give him your info? I said sure. And so we met now with porter and now in less than two years, so basically between twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen through all three of the main actors or a main characters in this international scandal had independent of each other reached out to us to discuss the possible. Of doing documentary, and we couldn't help but feel that despite my my my lack of spirituality that the universe was trying to tell us something. And this was probably a story that we should we should pursue. Now. Ultimately, you had wait sometime for Tony Bosch to get out of prison in order to interview. Well, what had happened was his sentence had gotten reduced in the in the meantime, and so once we had this meeting with porter we said, well, if we could get porter, and we could interview Tony than we have a documentary here. And so Billy wrote a letter to Tony Tony Robak saying actually, I'm getting out in three weeks. I'm going to be a halfway house in Miami being released halfway house. And I'll be able I was going to visit him in Alabama was in a federal camp in Alabama where he was teaching nutrition. His fellow inmates. And in fact, doing protocols for the guards in his inmates based on the supplements vitamins, you could obtain at the commissary in guys wanted weight loss or muscle building. He would always writing protocols and also at the prison say they prisoners criminal college. And so in this case turned out to be true because one of his one of his other inmates at the federal prison camp was Jeffrey Skilling of Enron fame who apparently was teaching business and some sort of economics courses and Jesse Jackson junior. Was there teaching some sort of political science course? So Joni says, let's let's get together and revisit this conversation. We had at that point less than two years earlier. And once we met Puerto Fisher, and Tony Bosch, it became abundantly clear that they were the story that a-rod was at best supporting character in the scandal. And that the real conflict in the real drama and the real comedy was born. Out of the fact that the highest paid baseball player in history. His career was ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient that like that was clearly the story that was most compelling most entertaining in the one that we ultimately wanted to tell I always described this film as being akin to the crime comedies of an Elmore. Leonard door, Carl hyacinth and and. I wonder if you see that those are two of my literary heroes growing up on the skewed Florida. Take of Carl hiaasen is certainly I think shape both mind Billy's perspective is nonfiction columns when we were kids. Yeah. And we constantly refer to south Florida's sunny place for shady people. I frequently tweet articles about schemes and scams out of Miami. With the phrase, Miami hustles, hashtag, hashtag, Miami hustles, which is essentially a kind of a play of the fact that we don't have any industry here. We don't have any factories where people go to work everybody, kind of subsists from hustle hustle in a certain way and the schemes and scams that begin in south Florida and up getting exported nationwide in a lot of instances where the Medicare fraud capital of the country. We're the income tax refund fraud capital of the country. We are the insurance fraud capital of the country. So any sort of scheme or scam? Always seems to 'em. Emanate or have some sort of south Florida connected for eight years, the head executive of the state the governor of the state, Rick Scott, he is the largest Medicare fraudster in the history of the United States of America. So there's just something I refer to Miami is America's CASA Blanca, it's just this place where shady people kind of flee to from their home state or home country usually running away from something and they wind up here, and they just kind of bake in the sun together and hatch these in name schemes. And of course, a nother unique part of our culture is the diversity of immigrants that we have here. And so what you wind up having his people who in fact, some of them were doctors back home in their home country, and they hang up shingle and open shop, and so their fellow countrymen in many ways in country women feel comfortable with them as their as their their doctor because they were in fact, in some cases, doctors. And in back home in their foreign countries. And in many cases, they're just not. They're just totally. They literally put on a lab coat and stethoscope and start calling themselves doctors, and there's always new store after news story like fake doctor found in Hialeah fake, Dr founded Miami faked, and I'm like that's not news news would be real doctor found in Hialeah real doctor found in Miami in screwball billion. Alfred make a bold choice to cast children for occasional re-creations of past events. They told me they were inspired by music video with the notorious B, I G in which director spike Jones cast children to lip sync. The rappers for screwball Billy has children costumed as adults and lip synching to visualize. The interviews such as this one. With porter Fisher the cop shows up. I'm jumping up and down. I'm telling the cop. Look, they took everything they took everything. And he's I calm down. I'm like they took evidence. They took states evidence for criminal cases. Like, we'll what he. Talking about biogenesis biogenesis baseball, Alex. You know, what I'm talking about the effect is like the little rascals meets the thin blue line. We had this challenge. Here. We do a sports documentary formulas pretty simple do interviews. Put sports footage put game footage in because players and coaches are talking about the games you cut to the games here in the whole hour and forty plus minutes. They mentioned maybe three baseball games. And that's it. So you can have maybe three little clips. But then you've got shenanigans occurring in clinics in nightclubs in locker rooms in sports bars. So what be rolled you do. So we knew we were going to have to do recruits. And then when you listen to Tony Bosch in Puerto Fisher, our two primary interview subjects speaking, you realize that the tell stories in the most vivid way possible, and they perform dialogue. I said I want my money. He said, I don't have the money. I said, well, you better get my money. He said go pound sack. Band. And so, but they both did that they both had that was just natural wasn't. You're coaching them. They just they just end like, oh, we could drunk history. This a drunk history being the comedy central show where they get somebody drunk, and they relate a story of history. And then they reenact it with actors lip synching the dialogue of the drunk person. And so I'm like, they'd give us all the dialogue, David sipc, and our other partner, Iraq untorn, I sat and wrote the script crafted the interviews into the story wrote the script on based on the well, the recreate all the ones we wanted to do. We didn't get alternately the budget in the schedule would not allow for all of them. But we wrote our dream scripts, and we said, and I said, but all the actors will be eight nine and ten years old, and we'll put them in with fake facial hair lab coats police uniforms pinstripes for the aunties, and they'll just be lip synching the dialogue from directly from our interview. Subjects and works six ordinary. I mean, you obviously put a lot of effort into something that could've really not worked like our whole careers. It could have gone sideways, and so many different ways we had a very very limited budget, very very tight schedule working with children and not only working with children, but children who are not act. They are lip synching. So it's a whole other level of skill that, I would assume that most child actors have not had to deal with and part of this was also born out of the John row of the dock that we felt we were making we often describe our doctors every documentary has a kind of an analog in traditional film genre. So we've described cocaine Cowboys as a gangster movie our backyard, fighting doc dogfight, we'd always talked about as like an eighties action movie scruple. We knew was a was a black comedy was essentially Coen brothers esque heist movie. And so the device of using. Children that we kind of steered into the curve on it. But it could have gone totally totally wrong action saying the title was always screwball. Our approach was always somewhat farcical and the tone of interviews. The style of the subjects the way we're going to we always knew that that was going to be the tone was we're going to steer towards the comedic irreverent. And so obviously, this seem seemed to support the story, and I will say the reputation that I think it's perhaps WC fields who was credited. Perhaps occasionally Hitchcock don't work with children or animals horrifically backwards. Stereotype, the children, the kids were joy, they were absolutely professional. I while their minds are like sponges, they memorize dialogue like that. We gave them, of course, the audio to practice with at home, and they came prepared. They came ready to go. They were they're still kids. So it was like we had to be like, okay, there has to be a little lightness in fun onset. But when it came time to work, they were absolutely professional. I would I would gladly do it again. I was really impressed with I was a little fearful, obviously. But I was really impressed with their professionalism. As a very tight schedule. And so it was all on them. We could we had a lot of prep. We had professionals behind the camera. We had incredible designers and cinematographer and. Production design direction, but it all came down to whether or not the kids would perform, and they did and we've been making docs now for almost twenty. I can't believe for almost twenty years now. And this was our first time working shooting recruits, actually in our first time working recruits on the scale with actors and the first time working with with kids, Billy said and so. The the challenge of getting that done in a ten day ten and a half day schedule with the budget limitations to how many different locations. Oh, and it was all on location. The whole thing was all location. Every day was at Lee almost every day was two locations, almost we the company move almost every we have one day where there was two or three company moves. Yeah. So this was this was a real we got into making documentaries. One of the reason we love making docks. When we started was we wanna go make were interested into subject, Billy Dave nine and get the cameras together. Get a sound guy, we go shoot, we go shoot. Some interviews. We cut a real we get some financing together. And we make a documentary. We don't have to deal with agents and managers actors and all the different layers that you have to when you're making narratives, which is why we've really enjoyed staying in the dock late, and we've been we've successfully managed to do that. And we say we say something, and we just do we'll do it or it happens or we need to move that. I'll go over and I'll move that. Dave, likened direct. Thing these recruits to being the captain of an aircraft carrier. It's like I say turn to the right and forty five minutes later. It's so it took some getting used to the speed and the tempo of the recruits was just different from what we're accustomed to working on a smaller scale, we a very large footprint with these recruits and some of our biggest as because we not only shot everything on location. Several of them we shot at the actual locations where the real events take place such as live nightclub in the fountain. Blue in Miami Beach, the sports bar and grill, the Ritz Carlton Key Biscayne. So for example, at the live nightclub scene. The Ritz Carlton seen we fed nearly a hundred people at lunchtime between the actors the parents the extras the crew members. So this is a large footprint for us a scale on which we're we were not accustomed to. I asked Alfred Billy if they came away from the story with any notion about how performance enhancing drugs should be treated in professional sport. It's it's a difficult question. Because obviously really what we're talking about here at the end of the days the influence on kids and kids who look up to professional athletes as heroes a role models. That's that's probably the most challenging part of this question and how to deal with it. In terms of professional, sports and performance enhancing drugs. I- coffee is a performance enhancing drug. I can't get any work done in the morning until I have at least two three good cups of coffee taking Tylenol because you have sore muscles is a performance enhancing drug because it helps you recover quicker. So you're right. The gradient at which we treat. What is it performance enhancing drug? And what isn't is is is is murky, and it's particularly in baseball, which is a skill sport. Football basketball, jump higher run faster. That's that's great. But are you getting a quick reaction time? Are you getting that extra ten feet to turn a fly out into a home? Run in baseball. Barry Bonds was fantastic baseball player before the steroids. You. So I don't know that to have that conversation about baseball in particular is fair in comparison to other other sports like track and field. I think the problem is when you're dealing with more toxic substances and the idea that players who don't want to inject themselves with poison and endanger themselves in danger, perhaps their offspring because there's a lot of very detrimental effects of birth defects, higher rates of autism. Amongst children of parents who use steroids so players who want to compete and don't wanna do that to themselves feel compelled to do. So because they have to go up against players who are actually doping, but again baseball, it's different. I mean, I remember is playing high school baseball that there was a lot of pressure about chewing tobacco. For example. The chewing tobacco was always part of playing baseball. And there's a lot of peer pressure about that. Are creating became a big substance in the nineties. I remember you go to GNC and you'd get the creatine, and it would help you with your weight lifting routine or whatnot. And high school is school kid. I know kids were taking taking create teen at chewing and using chewing tobacco. So which is not a performance as it was just part of the culture of baseball. But I would say while and I want to say very clearly the high school patients that Tony Bosch had. That was a crime. And in fact, he went to prison for that. I think it's child abuse. And we said where was the department of children family services because those children did not just come in off the street? They were brought by adults to his to his clinic. But ultimately, I gotta be honest. I don't really give a shit about steroids in baseball. That is really a contractual arrangement between when people go. There are league. It's a legal substance. It's legal. It's their banned in the context in in many cases in the case of human, growth hormone and toss room when you're getting a legitimate prescription from a real doctor, that's a contractual arrangement in in in the between the players union and the and the league's for me. It's not something that we should be making a federal case out of literally when you have baseball players dragged in front of congress understand they have a legal monopoly, and so congress exercises a bit more oversight. But that's all dog and pony political nonsense political theater. Because if you wanna talk about a real national health and safety issue, there's one shot in the documentary. And there wasn't any way to really dive into that or create a pod out of it. But Tony Bosch says very explicitly that he had a hundred cop clients. So we had one hundred police officers from variety of jurisdictions down here in south Florida who came to his clinic shouldn't congress hold hearings about that. Nobody from any police department that I'm aware of or city commission or mayor or any county commission has asked Tony to follow up on that on who those people were taking steroids, and that creates a serious serious public health and safety issue in their police officers on steroids, and and people often ask me they say who's the new Tony Bosch? There must be somebody new in town where this is going on. Right. I said, okay. Just drive around like south Miami Hialeah, west Miami. Look specifically at strip. Malls, find one that has a sign that says clinic, and like mirrored windows that you can't see inside and has multiple cop cars from different departments parked in front of it. That's probably the new Tony and just to follow up on that wind. You think it's an issue for whether cops are taking something make their muscles bigger. Well, I think depending on what they're taking. In fact, we just had the former president of the fraternal order of police the police union in Miami actually endorsing on video a quote, weight loss center type of shady sort of gray market anti-aging kind of operation clinic, whatever I don't even know what to call it. That's why. So it's Cain, and shady, but the reason it's a problem is depending on what they're taking it dramatically impacts, their tempers anger impulses. These are men and women who have to make as they say split second life or death decisions. And we've seen a proliferation in Miami Dade County the last ten v. Eighteen twenty years of use police use of force of of on-duty shootings and killings. And I can't imagine that steroids has zero effect on that. And the union has consistently even more successfully than the Baseball Players Association has successfully subverted drug testing specifically steroid testing in their contracts with various jurisdictions. But I think that is a serious danger to serious we see police officers were literally their biceps, and they're they're they're. Chests are ripping out of their uniform. They have they have next the size of my waist, and they're no surprise. Some of those officers have anger management issues and have a slew of of of complaints and conduct issues. The the information screwball has been reported largely in different forms before. But in a entertaining movie it's going to amplify the conversation when it comes out the spring. Do you think people stand to be embarrassed by this film? Whether it's a rod or MLB or anyone else. I think the story as you put it has largely been reported out. This is certainly a different take on it. I think I think at the end of the day that the story of demonstrates a couple things demonstrates the hypocrisy with which this issue has been treated for very long time. And I hope we'll provoke some sort of conversation. I don't wanna go too far down in the weeds here because it's not we're not talking about sports podcast here. But a lot of a lot of complaints about the steroid era in baseball has to do with the respect for the baseball record book. And the the idea that baseball's a sport that's been around fifty years. We've had a record since the late eighteen hundreds. And that unlike basketball and football the rules of baseball have not changed. The basis are still ninety feet apart the pictures still sixty feet six inches away. And that the shoot some of the charm of baseball's to be able to compare different eras to be able to talk about guys Ted Williams or Mickey Mantle versus today's superstars. And so my answer to that is always been well, you know, we did lower the mound at one point after nine hundred sixty eight the height of the pitchers mound after the Bob Gibson had the one point one two year as he's there have been minor changes that have been made there's the deadball era of the. Twenties. So should the steroid era. Mike God, you are degenerate. This is why I don't want to go down to rodeo screensaver podcasts roses, so should this be treated, I guess should this era be treated with the hair on fire reaction that it's been treated with in the press. And I think maybe a revaluation of that might be something that that would do some you're saying there's been many asterik era era in the hall of racist. Women beaters cheater in the hall of there's a lot of problems in baseball that have nothing to do with people performing better or playing the game better whether that has to in terms of level competition people are now forced into it. Look. That's that's totally log -ment that seems to me something the players association needs to solve. But hopefully, this will recap this latest era of scandal and make us perhaps reevaluate how seriously we should take. I don't care about any of that. I. I to me this is another in sort of our our our favorite racking tour genre of pursuit of the American dream by any means necessary, and Miami is a hustle town and hustle economy. And. Ultimately, what I'm now calling the the new American values. We used to teach our children honesty and integrity to tell the truth to the golden rule to do onto others as you've had done to you. And now, we have new values in America that I think are having a toxic effect on potentially multiple generations of children, and we won't know, obviously until we can study it in the future. But the new American values are care only about yourself and lie cheat and steal to get ahead for yourself. Maybe for your immediate family, but mostly for yourself lie cheat and steal and YouTube could be the highest paid baseball player in history. Lie cheat and steal and YouTube could after this botched biogenesis investigation become the most powerful man, the Commissioner in baseball like rob Manfred did lie cheat and steal and YouTube kids can be president of the United States, and those of the new American values, and that I think is the longer conversation. N- that screwball elicits. And I think it's as entertaining as the movie may be I think it signifies something very petrifying involved in in American values. Want to thank director, Billy Corbin, and producer. Alfred spellman for speaking. With me there film screwball is coming to the IRS and video on demand. This spring. If you're in New York City, please join us on Tuesday nights for pure nonfiction at I f c center our spring season starts on April ninth and runs through the end of may each Tuesday. We show a documentary followed by conversation with the filmmakers or other special guests, you get more information on our website. 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Starting 9 Episode #118 - Mets Are Back (and more!)

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Starting 9 Episode #118 - Mets Are Back (and more!)

"Welcome back to starting artist episode. One eighteen us is our last podcast recording before we hit the road dallas. We're going a baltimore where this is so. I don't know timing outs standing chiming. It's literally like <hes> your friend from school is like hey do you want to play at my house and maybe stay for dinner. Meanwhile like the parents parents are like in the middle of a divorce and <hes>. There's there's some there's some shit going on there that maybe you don't wanna be around for. It's like short short at your friend's house a little early and the door is slightly ajar and you're supposed to like you know you're going to go ride bikes or whatever but what you're actually walking in on is one of the most hellish asked whippings your has ever taken and you watch it you hear it. You're listening to it all go down but you don't you don't make eye contact with him and he gathers himself at he's coming out with that bright red face and he'd we know he's got that. He's got this hard like. I just got done with a hard cry and you're like hey man you good and it's just to get the fuck outta here. Okay yvonne knocking to be the happiest times in baltimore and imagine the best thing about baseball jerry quick memory. We just just put this stuff behind it. So by the time we show up there. It's going to be water to the bridge is gonna be old news. You'd think so no not at all no a little bit. Luckily the orioles are kinda. <hes> if this were a bigger market it would be a story for quite some time <hes> but it's not. I'm sure that you know baseball wise like nationally. I think it's gonna be a little bit of a story and it depends on if you know a <hes> which national writers are going to get in the mix and try and figure out what happened here. We're going to get some unnamed sources or we're going to have anyone diving in there and be like no on this has been brewing for a while you kind of like the tip of the iceberg here or is it just something where it's like a heat of the moment something happened kind of blew up and now we're over it now. They're fine. You're talking about it right saying that there. Was you know it's just the heat of the moment he gave you. The same response that any manager is going to give you in in that scenario or just about any manager. I would say <hes> because there's a few cannons who don't give a fuck where their aim and they're gonna let you have it but but that's that's what you say right this was. This was something that you know usually happens. It's just unfortunate that had happened in the dugout and i think what we all know what was said is. It's unfortunate that the cameras caught it. That's what everybody thinks right like. You're not sorry you're sorry you got caught and this is the same thing like it. It is unfortunate that it happened and it's very unfortunate for you the manager for the team and for the front office i guess who's going to have to answer these questions but it's kind of bullshit that you make a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion because little shit like this does happen all the time maybe not directly with the manager and player in front of god and everybody but at some point anti in passing you'll have these conversations you have these back and forth and the inevitably work themselves out but to your point are people going to let let this go. Are they going to let the sleeping dog lie or they're going to be reporters. Who latch onto this like a bone and you know just do not let go and and try to figure out did brand hide. Invite chris davis down into the tunnel which is why chris davis went after high was down into the tunnel. Is that something that was said. We're gonna we're gonna find that out or are we doing well. That's the point or we like how does that go and that all goes back to the question about or just to the statement regarding regarding the media market size and the where where the club is right now not only on the field but off the field so they're not in the conversation as far as standings danas postseason but what the club looks like moving forward every fan base is is interested in that dialogue and i think anytime you have a manager singer and one of the guys that you're paying a boatload of money who maybe not maybe not performing the way you want him to have a blow up like that. There's questions yeah. We're gonna play a little pepper here this story <hes> was something that i tried to hit on on radio. We just never got to it. We teased he is that came back and then kevin talked about the mets for another forty five minutes. Tim beckham getting popped for eighty games for repeatedly use by the way did you see. Did you see screwball yet. Have you checked out screwball. Yeah no i haven't. I guess it's on netflix. It's it's a it's a documentary tony bosch and the by jazz scandal. Yes yes yes. Yes yes yeah with the little oh kids right yes. Yes i yeah yeah. We had that dude on recipes dialed in with db but we had yeah. We've had him on starring starring nine. Two yeah fucking came almost a year ago. It was a while ago we were. We were the first ones at. I don't wanna say personal jabbar still well. I think but like that's where we we brought this kind of into the barstool world like this dude talking about all this shit yeah so he he came on <hes> definitely last year but that screwball just came out and it was about tony bosch and how he started his anti-aging clinic nick and <hes> the the regimens there we have as clients go through and it was weird because like he was assuming the risk because he was a baseball fan like he could have had his operation running cleanly just having like these like warriors and whoever they wanted to come in and have like a little testosterone booster illegally and and i don't think that would have raised many red flags but his business really started booming wants manny ramirez got busted with the dodgers and everyone was like who's this fucking tony bosch guy and then a-rod went to bosch and was like i want what many was taken and then now. He's got a rod as a client brian. You had a bunch of other players that were clients. Some of them were successful. Some of them were not in terms of performance ano- dallas. You've mentioned in the past. I don't remember if it was on dialed in on starting nine but you hate that bartolo cologne kind of skates that he's just like this beloved figure. He was one of the guys that got pot. Yeah i don't i don't necessarily i don't know if it's a i don't hate it. I don't hate it interesting that the villain is and then he's still and i have called and look. I'm just you know me by now. I'm not a dude. Who's pulling pulling any punches. I don't give a fuck what name tag what badger wearing what title of authority you have in the workplace like if i feel like you and when i are gonna be you know let's hash this out. I i've had those conversations with folks that i work with very closely day in and day now that have told them to their face. You are just as much as a part of this issue as everybody else here because you are somebody who has applauded did and heralded bartolo cologne and then also chastised and criticized other individuals for doing the same fucking talking thing. So what side of the fence are you on. Do you have to be an all star to become lovable. Do you have to be overweight and throw nothing but fastballs to be lovable at the where does it go so it's not that i like a have have hate for bartolo or anybody. That's gotten popped. I'm looking at individuals who are assessing the landscape and picking and choosing and saying oh that guy's cool that guy's not guy school that guy's not yeah the whole the whole <unk> hostile thing though is very interesting to me because it's not i mean it's a p._d. It's not like hard core steroids. It's not h._g._h. But but these guys were saying you know a hundred sixty two fucking games playing every day like i'm sluggish i'm tired and a guy like manny starts taking like testosterone on and he's like i'm laser focused. I've got all this energy and then he starts popping. An extra twenty home runs doubles up on homers from from year to year like it makes a big difference <hes> so definitely check that out. It's called screwball found it really interesting <hes> actually it. I don't wanna say it makes tony bosch sympathetic character character but it definitely sheds a new light on him that i didn't really have that perspective prior to that. You know you think he's this guy. He's like like there's this guy that's that's linked to all these major league baseball players and he knows what he's doing and and he's so smart and he was because if you followed what his his protocol if you fall what he told the players to do then it's like okay. You probably could have gotten away with this but then it's it's man like you just didn't eat them. Eat eat them. Eat them in the third inning. Take the last one in like the sixth innings seven th and it'll be done by the time you get hit with that piss cup after the game game you just gotta do that and for some other folks. It's about just kind of you know. Make sure the people that you have on your team are receiving their payments. Make aac sure you pay those people because if you don't pay those people they're the ones who sure when they don't get their fifteen hundred dollars. That's a life changing amount of money for them and they're just not not getting it now. Now fuck you and your hall of fame and your home run record and anything you're doing. I'm gonna need that bread homey to keep quiet if i'm not getting that will go and saddle up because we're gonna be riding out same fucking ride to hell together so back to tim beckham getting for p._d.'s. That's why <hes> i've said before for that. I still think that a l- not a large definitely not a majority but a noticeable amount amount of players in the league are still using and who do you think would be using in today's game guys like tim beckham and i don't mean that that as an insult as in like oh he sucked so take steroids i take it as tim. Beckham is a former first round first overall pick. He hasn't had a career that has panned out to the expectations that come with being a one one. He hasn't had a big contract <hes> <hes> that's the type of guy where it's like okay. I don't have a hall of fame legacy to protect. I do have the talent because at one point. I was taken at one one. Why wouldn't i mean unless you really really care and you don't want your kids in the face someday and be a guy cheated. Whatever that's the exact type a person that i would expect in not blame if the and it's because we talked about this a couple of podcasts ago dallas about how you know there should be <hes> in the players players will never agree to it because there is such thing as a false positive but there should be some type of language into baseball contract. If you test positive for p._h._d.'s that becomes null and void from that point forward or something to that effect your your salary becomes league minimum but if you're a tim beckham what is preventing you from from taking something to get to a point where it's like if i can get away with this if i follow the protocol and i can slide slide under the radar and i'm a little a model. Something can pop thirty five homers. I'ma jews player with the juice baseball's. Maybe i got an eight fifty. Oh p._s. Become a free the agent. I get myself a nice little four year seventy five million dollar deal. That's life changing money forever for my family forever like who gives a fuck if i'm a cheater. That's why that's that's why my stance and my take is is what did it look. It's and it comes after years of being hit with folks trying to dilute what the tako messages the tako message is very simple and i said it like you said i started on a couple podcasts go. It's a business decision. It's a business decision. Can you handle the scrutiny from the public check. Can you handle the scrutiny and criticism from your peers check. Does your family understand where you're coming from and why you've made the decision you made check if you can live with all of those things at the end of the day the the paycheck represents the business decision and that is that it's back fucking simple and i broken this down before take a guy who has eight eight years of big league service time. He's hit free agency. Maybe he's been in the post season. Whatever the tako message there is. He's no longer trying to quote unquote secure the bag or that is not his only goal is to get paid that has come and gone so now he is probably playing not not only to be compensated fairly obviously but he wants a fucking ring. He wants a world series championship now. Take a guy who hasn't hit free agency yet by his third second year of arbitration or whatever and i'm going to get beckham situation in a minute now he is making a business decision for the rest of his career but if that guy gets popped your to your three into the league and you are affecting his ability to secure the bag i and you are really putting a ceiling. You are really putting a cap on what his earnings look like in your eight compared to the guy who didn't cheat until until you're eight now that guy your guy you're three that guy is going to weigh his decision a hell of a lot more because being okay with with it public scrutiny be okay with it teammates scrutiny and being okay with your family understanding that you're making a business decision. All looks very differently. When the max you can earn your twelve into your career is still four hundred thousand dollars like who's to say that it has to be league minimum. Why why can't we put a floor like this is the floor slash ceiling for p. E. d. offenders you will know at no point earned the right to make more than two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year and should a team wants to negotiate with you and secure the rights to and bid on you for twenty million dollars outstanding. We're going to need that nineteen eighteen point six mil to be redistributed evenly amongst the rest of the lead because of your asshole owners wanna pay for your asshole approach to the game then they're. We're gonna get banged for it. They don't just get to have you. They're going to pay for you meaning. They're gonna pay the money for you and they're going to pay to watch the p._d. Player go out there and perform because you're not just going to get this dude for fucking nothing. Sorry so you hit players right between the eyes with that kind of decision making making process and i bet your ass you start to see a shift in culture getting to tim beckham scenario jared. He is in what we call a pre platform year. This is the year right before his platform year that he would then become a free agent so you being a junior in high school got to perform now now why because that's gonna put you on the map for these colleges who are going to be coming out to take a look at you senior year ready to give you two hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of a free education for four years to come play baseball for their university. That's a big moment time for those youngsters fast forward into the pro ranks. Tim beckham big moment in time for him being able to put up this year support it next year and then get paid. Well bred it up looking looking more like it's going to be grilled at best but i also i can't hate him for trying and and i think it's easy for me to say having never played in the league never even come close to it that if i were in his position i probably probably would have done the same and i think i think it's it's the only difficulty that i would have had in making the decision that he i made was <hes> the butterfly effect and you kind of you were kind of the person that that put this line of thinking in my head where it's like okay so i'm gonna take a little something to be better. Maybe i don't deserve that roster spot if i'm off if i'm clean now i'm taking a roster spot from somebody ready. Okay so then i go out there and maybe i i go fuck in three for four with two doubles and a homer and that started that i just fucking shell that day maybe he gets sent down and never sees the big leagues again like there's a butterfly effect here where it's not just i'm thinking about me. I'm selfish. This is about me and my performance that i can get paid like all right well. You might be taken food off of somebody else's plate. You may single handle the it's an extreme for example but it's not unfathomable that this guy could never see see the big leagues again like that's something that's could happen and that's definitely have to. You have to be able to go to sleep at night and be okay with that and that's why you see players. Take such staunch stances on this when they're competing against guys who aren't quote unquote playing unfairly imagine imagine what that group of cyclists imagine the face that they had when the one guy showed up at the tour de france for the first time with one of those super sweet <hes> aerodynamic helmets and a fucking speed sue you know they're like whoa what the fuck is this all right. This isn't cheating. I guess we can do this to talk about an advantage. Holy shit like and you know things started to evolve. We'll hear there's guys want to sign up for it knowing that there's a level playing field knowing that their competition and what they're going to earn is going to be justified but you know that it's never going to be like that. Scientists always going to be ahead of the testing. There's always gonna be guys that are trying to get an edge and there's always gonna be guys that will successfully get away with it because they have the money to do it and you know but it's screwball. I mean it's there. There are ways to get around it. You just have to be disciplined. The the sa- the science is and always will be farther ahead. The bad guy will always be one step ahead who who's <unk> out there trying to figure out a way to be one step ahead of the the medicine the bad guys that not to folks who were trying to circumvent convince the process so that's always going to exist. You're always <hes> in quite frankly. I don't blame the players for trying <hes> uh when you're talking about that kind of money i am in no real reputation of protecting me. It's like yeah okay. I was a one one but still still i i could retire tamar who really is going to give a fuck yeah exactly i go by my fucking sweet house out in the middle of nowhere on my awesome lake week and i walked into the feed store. Do you think that i have to worry about that guy or girl behind the counter talking shit to me about the decision i made no. They're going to ring me up for my my feet. I'm gonna go back on my sweet bucking lake. Catch my fish and not deal with any of you. People calling me a cheater on twitter. Don't care don't care. You're calling me achiever from your cubicle while i'm retired at fucking forty skin and fish in my own backyard tough decision i had to make oh man i would be so free and exempt from guilt. If if i did that i would not give a fuck i would be. I would be the biggest he'll that the sport has ever seen if i like say i got to free agency and i locked up like five years at eighty million and and then in year one of my contract i tested positive for steroids and let down an entire organization fan base teammates everything. I'd it'd be like i mean shit. What was i supposed to do. Go off my natural ability back good. I'm trying to get paid. While i'm here. I back good. It is just it is bad. It's simply in purely business. Yeah yeah like when you laid out like that. I know that fans natural reaction is to be a blue. You do steroids. We all paul would love to have our lottery ticket. Come up and have it be our number and have it be a large astronomical pay day on the other side died of that ticket. <hes> guess what been major league baseball players have the opportunity to to put the odds in their favor. We played the fucking. Powerball listeners owners ground screw. Just ask yourself this question. If everybody on your twitter feed got to spend a year tell you how how big of a jerk in an asshole in cheater you were but you and your family and then the family that they have after you're dead and gone what if all those people never really had to work like hard jobs the way we've had to. Would you do it. Oh you would okay so me. Jared everybody else on your twitter feed. We don't mean fucking anything to you now right now that you don't have to work now that your grandkids grandkids don't have to work now that everybody's taking care of your telling me that so dallas all i had to do was deal with you and some other people i've never met telling me how big of a piece of shit i was but my money still spins and my house still stays warm and i still have food yeah. I'm fucking in. I know you're in guys. I fucking know you're in but i i also understand that you want the game. You'll love to be respected on a certain level and that's the dance we dance day in and day out is citing with you that i want the game to be respected and i want the game to be played a certain way but also understanding that the guys who are playing the game today in the way that the rules are set up they kind of kind of allow wow this kind of shift to happen guys and i'm not a fan of it like you're not but it is what it is. I bet you they're alive. Maybe not a ton but they're definitely a certain amount of players who played major league baseball from nineteen ninety on who played it clean. They're like fuck. I should've i should've taken is that right because you can be the guy that when you're active i respect the game. I respect the people who play i respect the the rules are expected. Legal legal respect the history i have. I've nothing but respect for baseball. Respect doesn't fucking pay the bills so you know if you got a cup of coffee at the big league level level and you got your your you know year and a half a service time. Maybe cleared seven hundred fifty grand that money's not sticking stick around very long but if you maybe hopped on the gas and maybe had i don't know eight years of service time. Gotta got another contract after your arbitration years or even even if you just went through your arbitration years you've collected a few million bucks along the way you're arbitration years. You're sitting. You're walking away from that game like fuck man. You know maybe maybe i cheated needed but it's not so bad right now. It's not like it's not so bad right now. Trust me i've. I've been open about my idea to take every steroid that i felt like could've put my arm back together and then go up to our man kyle boaty in washington and go to drive live line and just have them turned me into a fucking freak problem is my arm fell off the minute. I tried to try to throw a ball again so that quickly died but i told you i had that conversation with my grandmother. Hey what would you think if i took steroids got to the big leagues was actually good and could contribute contribute to the point where they paid me to come back for their team like for two years and i gave her that scenario. Let's say i go pitch and then i earn a two year contract but in my i second year i end up failing. That drug tests that you and i know i would fail right now because i'm taking steroids. How would you look at me and had she without even blinking because my grandma was a gangster ashida she'd have probably had a needle in her ass in the game but but she she was like based on on everything you've gone through based on everything you're doing. I can understand why you why you would make that decision. I could see it and i know where your heart is so i wouldn't think differently of you and i'm like yeah well. Thanks dear sweet grandmother. That's what you're supposed to say right but flock man lifelock dot yeah because my arm hurts. I can't do anything that's what did you ever look into the stem cell stuff that that had had yeah i actually actually i spoke with a another pitcher who i will not reveal his name but i spoke with him. This is somebody who's had the procedure done as well and was like dude fucking do it and if i'm being completely honest having the stem cell therapy having the stem cell treatment done. I would not have the quality of life. I believe that i have now where i can go and play softball twice a week. My arm fucking hurts. Today made a cool play. Yesterday arm hurts today. It's like a motherfucker but i wouldn't even be able to do like it wouldn't be able to do live a._b._c.'s and fuck around with our fan. I wouldn't be able to do shit like that if i wouldn't have had that treatment done so so i mean i think about just being able to you know like i'm unlimited in my workouts dude. I can't fucking shit. I feel like fucking high school cheerleader. I can't do shit but it's available better than not being able to wipe my ass altogether. Yeah what a segment <hes>. Ah gleyber torres is is going to have some more testing done for the core pain. I think he came out of the game in baltimore and wednesday and then also on tuesday. They are no no sunday sunday sunday. He had problems on sunday. <hes> how worried we are about gleyber torres <hes> the i guess the positive or what you're holding onto if you're a pinch driver is that he's telling you. This is a little different maybe than last time i feel like i'm good to go. Oh i felt what it felt like last time. I felt what it felt like. This time. Obviously still little different so that's the good news. The bad news is is until you react at game speed. You can't really say that with a hundred percent certainty and hundred percent confidence so he's probably giving that report based on how he felt you know not doing anything how he remembers feeling when it happened and he's thinking i'll maybe you know if i could just kind to cut down on the swing or if i can talk to about cutting because he feels like it's just so goddamn heart so this case and he's telling you he feels good well then yeah. You're excited about the problem. Is i say this every time we have core or intercostal or oblique injuries how rotational we are as baseball players you just can never really you can never really gauge the kind of stress that you're creating on the body until you get into game speed. So what i'm hearing is one thing but for it to happen again as quickly as it did. I think there might be something looming here. Yeah i hope not because <hes> glacier is the most exciting players to watch <hes>. I i love how he planned as a confidence <hes> how fucking young he is and how good he is already is terrifying to me like how what's what's he gonna look like when he's twenty five twenty six twenty seven years old if he's doing this right now. What twenty two isn't isn't he. He's is a his young asked boy but yeah gleyber joins the long list of players who who have who have really dealt with some some shit this year for the new york yankees who who they bring up tiro estrada yes. I'm like that just a little tease just to hey yeah. <hes> unpack your locker. Just it's it's crazy. It's crazy how every player on the yankees has had an outstanding season at least offensively and they've all sort of dealt with an injury at one point or another but they're all just a spoke on the wheel that wheels gonna keep on turning <hes> <hes> the dodgers have placed alex verdoux go on the injured list. He's dealing with an oblique strain. Did you see the statistic that i tweeted last night about the dodgers. <hes> no what is it regards to <hes> so the dodgers tweeted out a highlight reel of all of their walk off wins from this season so i tweeted out the video and i said i think the dodgers have more walk off wins than the tigers have wins in general and remember when we did the <hes> the starting nine all-time draft. I said that i had a statistics sky helping me out with with <hes> different charts and shit. He reaches out and is like hey. There's actually some truth to your tweet tweet. Since june twenty first the dodgers have seven walk off wins and the tigers have seven total title wins. That's not good that's in saying that's not good that is since june twenty firsts lists. The dodgers have seven walk off wins. The hitchhiker's have seven total and they had three rookies hit. Walk lofts in back to back to back nights was a three or four nights three nights. That's insane insane saying i mean that's just so much more about the tigers than it does about the dodgers but still <hes> it's a win and so if you listen to the mac muncie interview <hes> i think there's two more than andre ethier was more about his career in a little bit about current times. The andre ethier interview is fucking awesome. That was like an hour long. I don't know when we're dropping that. Maybe it's next week. Maybe it's not <hes> but in the dave roberts interview. We talked about the same thing i i talked to muncie about it and talk to roberts about it. Twenty seventeen world series eighteen world series nineteen. You look at the rotation. Look at the lineup you look at the bullpen. The twenty nineteen dodgers are better. They're better than bowl teams. That just went back to back world series but it's it's also like you know when you look back at championship seasons for certain teams you can be a wagon and really not have any moments that make sense sure the dodgers. This team has moments like bellenger moments. Yes like like all the walk off wins that they've had those moments and then all the individual seasons that they've had a story walker. Miller is a story. All these guys guys muncie. It's crazy so i think i'm not yet at the point where i'm going to say. It's the dodgers year you're but if it is the dodgers year it would make a whole lot of sense. I think it's realistic to say i look. I love my oakland as i love my oakley's. Is it a is it a tall task to just get out of the a._l. Absolutely so let's fast forward the what we probably gonna look like it's going to be a dodgers astros showdown and think about those first three games. What about the yankees. I know that they don't have starting pitching. I know that their starting pitching his absolute ass and that's just not me being a hater. That's statistic. I would say that if you're a yankee fan listening to this. You're probably not in your head be like yeah. No you raise a good point now. We could make it to the world series but it won't be as our starting pitching if you're if you're a yankee achey fan. Do you take your starting rotation and notorious. There's no it doesn't matter or the bullpen is is a monster or if everyone pitches to the back of the baseball card sure so now let's switch or would you rather take the houston astros starting staff and bullpen astros astor's hundred percent so when we get to the postseason and all of the guys all of these spokes on the wheel that have allowed this thing to roll on into october are now asked to perform on the game's biggest stage that's going to be the question is are these guys who have just been kind of plugging played throughout the season. Are they going to be able to handle. What's being asked to them. Over over. A initial five-game set eventually a seven game set when i think about the houston astros look. We already know that they're they're down there. So what does it ver. Lander verlinden you verlinden review coal bueller yeah yeah <hes> i mean fuck yeah. That's gonna be a slug fest yeah yeah. That's that's going to be great and from there. The yankees bullpen probably has the edge but what do those games look like over the first five innings six innings and i am. This is me saying that you know obviously good pitching beats good hitting blah blah blah blah but it's going to be it's going to be an exciting match up. If that is how it unfolds just because of the depth yeah that's. I'm excited for postseason as baseball this year. I told you <hes> if i become a fan free agent. I'm already getting heavily recruited by mets twitter and we'll get to the mets and in a little bit but <hes> first of all the red sox are not dead. I have not pronounced dead. I know some people have stopped watching and some people have said that the season's over get over over it. I haven't <hes> i haven't gotten to that point and i think i've been pretty realistic about this. I i've been pretty realistic about the red sox this year and i haven't pronounced him dead yet. I know the brew crew. I'll never i'll never leave the broker. That's that'll be my squad till i die <hes> but the mets twitter they have been recruiting hard hard for my allegiance. Come october will cross that bridge when we get there. I know that there are <hes> there are some players i that have been trying to recruit me if and when the red sox die <hes> the giants have designated joe panic for assignment <hes> that was that was kind of like an end of an era type deal he was a part of the he was part of the nucleus. You know he wasn't wasn't there. Intend but what twelve and fourteen yeah. That's an end of an era type deal. I mean that's that's you know if you're a giants fan. You're getting rid of a piece. That's that's a tough goodbye. Yeah it is especially for a club who has as we have documented has been so good at keeping their franchise franchise guys around now joe panic a franchise guy probably not but as joe panic again apart of all the cool shit that was happening in san francisco so it look for gold lover. He's good weather. I believe i think so. It's just a matter later of of the bat obviously not playing. That's the bottom line. That's not playing. They need help. They were in a great position or so. They thought to make a charge. I i think that has kind of slowed a bit and as you look to the future you look at the pieces that need to be moved. You look at voids that need to be filled and japan's unfortunately falls right into he was there for fourteen all star in fifteen gold glove and sixteen eighteen and then since then has posted an open seven sixty eight six thirty nine and <hes> was the f._a._a. Hitting two thirty five it's twenty seven opiates share one hundred three games. Yeah i mean what's cool about joe panic when he came up because when he came up in fourteen it was like a like all right now. We've got somebody you know. We got somebody that we can get over there. Brandon crawford panic and crawford solid up the middle. Yeah sucks for g._o._p. Also sucks for greg hall and who is designated for assignment and <hes> not a great year for him. It's actually it's it's quite alarming you consider from my perspective like i look at these numbers on him. I guess sky's actually would be one of the probably the third or fourth best reliever the red sox bullpen <hes> thirty five and two thirds innings of four point point five four e._r._a. One point three seven whip <hes> those are obviously not closer numbers those. That's you know that's the expectation. That's certainly not what you were getting <hes> a free agent at the end of this year. <hes> this is a guy who was a horse. He's been a horse out of the bullpen and <hes> for quite some time you know you look back on some of these seasons that he had with the royals two-time all-star there <hes> and then obviously obviously his season with colorado in two thousand seventeen coming out of the bullpen more than anyone leading the league in saves and just hasn't really been the same guy i sense since leaving colorado always had some stops in saint louis the nationals and the d backs and it just hasn't really been the same since <hes> since since twenty seventeen really with with the rocky so he he is currently jobless but i wouldn't be surprised if someone maybe took a flyer on him. He's got the experience. He's got the postseason experience. It's just the results haven't been there a whole lot this season yeah and i think it's definitely so what he is actually in a a situation where he could be a an addition to a club during this period of i guess dead time or downtime. There's no trades going on but as teams designate guys should they refuse there <hes> you know should they refuse their assignment to the minors and become a free agent they can sign with anybody. They just got to be on the roster by august thirty first in order to make the postseason roster so i i'm with you. I think someone somewhere gives holland an opportunity a few days as maybe a week to see how he can get together in the big leagues if that happens. Maybe they keep him around. If not you might be <hes> maybe greg holland and big ring some things out in the off season yeah and there will be figuring things out because it's been a minute spend a minute. Um buy tickets can be complicated and confusing but there is a simpler way to buy with seek. Seek geek is the smartest easiest way to get tickets every type of live event. 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Now we get to the point in the podcast where we are talking about the red hot the new york mets who the new york mets are winners of thirteen of their last fourteen games since july twenty fifth they have gone on a monumental run <hes> they have been better than every team in major league baseball as far as winning percentage is concern as a team. They've got an eight twenty two. Oh p s over that span. They are now dallas coming into play on thursday. I half half game back of the philadelphia. Phillies tied with the saint louis cardinals <hes> they're also the milwaukee. This is a big cluster cluster. Fuck going on with this wildcard by the way the phillies and the brewers coming into play on thursday are tied for the second wildcard spot. The nationals are up two games on the phillies and the brewers and then you have the cardinals and the mets who are both a half game back of that second wildcard spot so we have four teams. There are within a half game of each other for for the second wildcard spot in the national league this is this is good for the sport dallas. This is why this is why why they invented the second wildcard spot. They want this fucking shit show. That's happening in the month of august. They want people when normally you would have a lot of fans of teams just completely tune out because they're like oh well. You know there's no fucking chance i mean there's there's as many teams. There's only one wildcard spot. Are we have no chance to win the division the mets the mets are a half game out of the wildcard spot. I believe they're in fourth place in the division as as we stand right now in the national league conceivably there's ten teams ten teams that could conceivably consider themselves. A part of the wildcard races going to put a floor. We're going to put a ceiling on it with colorado. Rockies seven out from the second wildcard spot seven out. There's louis two teams left the fucking well the marlins the marlins are down at the very bottom there the marlins are down at the bottom the fucking the the mets are in fourth place and they are a half game out of a playoff spot. Yeah this is this is why this is why what what the mets are doing right. Now is something to get excited about but it also like kinda represents that double edged sword of what the new deadline headline is done because what the mets are doing right now typically give their front office every reason to go out and get the reinforcements that they feel like they might need or that over the next two weeks could potentially be identified that time period is gone and i know i selling a broken record bringing this up every time we do a podcast but this is the first time we've experienced this and so i always want you guys to remember. There are no reinforcements coming so as the greater the mets are doing right now as much as they should be talked about thirteen or fourteen christ's sake does this performance seem or appear to have any elements of sustainability to it and that's where it gets interesting because i think there are levels of sustainability to us and we will start with they'll pitching staff zack wheeler who will get to a little later deep their deep. They're deeper than so. I had this conversation with kevin we're talking about. Who's rotation. Would you take and i said obviously i would rather have the dodgers of the nationals rotations but he was like well. The mets rotation is deeper. It was all right well. If we're talking regular season then the mets when you're talking degrom stroman syndergaard wheeler her matt's like these guys like you have a chance to win every day whereas some rotations might may be top heavy with with one ace. Maybe they got two guys in the case of the dodgers. You're talking three four guys. Yeah i mean the mets are definitely the deepest rotation but if you were to give a grade to every starting pitcher in those rotations who would have the highest cumulative number. I think it's still going going to be the dodgers. The dodgers nationals the mets. I think the dodgers still come out on top there. Yeah i would say so. I mean look straws. Insurers great great <hes> corbin outstanding degrom syndergaard stroman are probably or headliners in that mets rotation but wheeler as i mentioned has been fucking has been phenomenal review review kershaw buehler richhill when he can spin it yet but they've got. They've got depth as well yeah. I mean credit to the mets because you know sometimes. I say it's sometimes sometimes it's the deals that you don't make the ones that end up helping you wheeler was very much on the trade bloc. I mean i feel like a lot of teams. Were calling about about wheeler taylor bailey. Hey what's it gonna take to get this guy and they didn't move him and now he's helping them get to within a half game playoff spot will. Do you think this has anything to do with b. Maybe dubs and his outlook like yo. We're gonna we're gonna be fine. We're gonna be fine yes yeah and i don't think that that was just lip service. I think thank he you know. The mets are one of those teams where regardless in this was this. This was the same thing last year and the year before <hes> when when they had disappointing years where we're kind of just like on paper they should be much better on paper. The mets are always good. I mean there are at least a presentable deem. The new york mets have been held prisoner by the what ifs and the hypotheticals of this starting rotation. I think that for five years they they have been held prisoner because they've had flashes of greatness they'd had guys go down and get hurt. They've had guys perform well and then perform like their fuck shadow like who who's that guy and it's flatly all starting to come together because you're getting a performance out of a guy that you weren't sure that pete alonzo. You had no idea now no fucking clue well. Well dallas yeah well. I think if we go back to our season preview pod where we run down every single team in major league baseball we we give a little something to look for and then we have our rookie of the year talk before the season starts pretty sure that there was one guy on this podcast that sang the praises of one peter lonzo <hes> jay. He's not with us. That was me. I don't know that's true. It was a you know that for a minute lavishly go back and pull that audio and tweet it tonight. <hes> i'm yeah no i was credit to me is right about pretty much everything going into this season besides the red sox maternal but if you look at it conforto forego alonzo mcneil that's a fucking. That's a one-two-three punch that a lot of teams. Just don't have right now. They should be i. It's it's you know on paper on paper on paper. That's great mets fans. Don't wanna hear about on paper anymore. Let's see it on the fucking field on paper. The mets have been good for a long time on the field not so much now. You're seeing a mets team. That is able to on paper satisfy you in spring training raining but on the field is now satisfying you in the field of play <hes> whereas this is this hasn't happened in it for the mets like when you're talking talking about team that notoriously lets you down when you get to august when you get to september and you're no longer playing meaningful games. It's almost been reversed because because kevin already council the mets this has already been a team that you know edwin diaz blowing saves in these late in games and these you know the series against the dodgers where they they could've taken three out of four the series against the giants where they should have beaten them. This is a team that has let you down multiple times already so there has been reason to check out in the past. There's no checking back in. There's no oh wow they're gonna go on a run. When they roll over and die. They're dead. That's it these mets come back from the dead but it should come as no surprise because of the talent that they have so. I don't know kind of i'm rooting for him. I i would love to see the mets get in there. I think the national that that's the thing is like the national deserve to be there. The brewers are exactly where the mets are. They're a half game amount so i don't know it's it would be quite the story if the new york mets were able and like you said dallas you know we're talking about thirteen out of fourteen. That's a hell of a run. They don't have to play nine eighty six baseball to get in this thing that what they've done to this point. They've hit the boosters there in the picture. They don't have to continue to play at this pace in order to get into the wild card but they do have to play better than they've played for for most of the season but yeah i do you have the mets pulling this off and getting in no you don't know why tell me i'm you'll let me let me run down the list here the nationals yes. They deserve to be there the phillies lillies. I don't think deserve to be there as much as like a saint louis and even the mets. I would put the mets in phillies. He's right disappointing. I've got the cardinals in the brewers figuring it out and and the new york mets being left left on the outside looking at it so you have the nationals falling out. What's that no no. We're talking. One of those teams has to win the division right yeah yeah. That'd be the braves right so we've got an who's left. You said washington yup milwaukee saint louis louis new york right so i've got yes so like i have what i said i have seat lewis and milwaukee finishing above new york. Okay yes so so yes. Whoever's gonna be your division of atlanta's up by like six or seven games. I think right on washington washington yet there say somewhere around there so however that works out one of those two is going to be the second is going to be the first wildcard and then it's going to be between the brewers and the cardinals dell's in my opinion to be that second wildcard team. I don't know the cardinals have been playing real shitty baseball recently <hes>. I don't expect that to continue you but they've been playing real. Should he baseball and you can't do that as time. They got put funk. They came out to oakland same with the brewers. Got putting a folk. Doc brewers have rebounded nicely. They've won their last three straight. <hes> don't worry about my milwaukee brewers. They're saying going nowhere pal and especially <hes> because they are a fucking world leaders at miller park so also don't count the brewers outta winning. They're fucking division but i mean come out. Come out. You're doing no no no. Don't come out to save nothing to say to the cubs. Yeah dad take out oh. I can't believe my own grandmother actually threatened to physically urinate on me she did she. Did she bet you so she's she's saad little video that i posted no not peeing on her fucking bear jobs a lot or bottle but she came over and was like hey you think i didn't see that you think that you can hide the internet from me. You wanna get pissed on and i was like excuse me do i. What what are you peter on. What the fuck are you talking about. I saw you visit on my bare. Hey bucket cobb doubt and then the boys just got absolutely waxed guys. I it wasn't a whole series. I mean in the as in the cops kick the shit out of each other in that series but john lewis has been struggling very mightily recently. Yes yes yes. It was not an isolated incident. John lester has been bad for like his last five starts. I think statistically basically the worst starter in baseball which i and i have never had a more love hate relationship with the player more than havi bias overcast asked oh my god dude you. You know how much i love the do. That's that was my that was my l. m._v._p. Preseason pick but he's getting bucket yelling and bellied like like imagine. Is it fair to say that he's probably or is he close to the n._l. M._v._p. Should he not yellow bellied l. e. is he finishing avi avi. No my off my way. 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Get it in your life. I know i did. That's why i can outrun every every olympic cross country team. They've got going. You know what time it is. Dallas talked to be goes. It is time to show some love and you know what actually have <hes> a live one surprising pick and i have one not so so surprising pick i still i still will defer to you dallas to go i because i i there's a slight chance you might pick my second guy. I hope that you don't all right and that's something that the fans should no grounds for. You should know no this journey. I never collaborate on our picks with this guy and it's why i try. I try to zig zag though like i try to pick someone that that it isn't on your radar and i also need i feel like we're gonna need to keep track of these very soon because i feel like i'm already picking fucking people that i've picked before our member. I got a good memory. <hes> i mentioned this guy's name before <hes> we mentioned we're talking about the mets so there's no reason to not get started. There's no reason to not get the wheel rolling. Oh snack wheeler last two starts fifteen innings twelve twelve knocks. Only one free pass twelve punches zero. This is a zero bucket ernie's on the tap folks. That's good for an opponent opponent. Slash line up to eighteen to thirty two four eighty seven seventy one percent strike rate during this time right now filling up the strike zone an early and often corrobos and to the point you made a guy who was being shopped around like a pair of used tennis shoes is now a integral part of what the new york mets are trying to do and that's get their asses into the wild card and into the postseason it all starts in my opinion with a starting rotation zack wheeler very much a part of that group sure. Is anybody else i do i do. I've got another guy. Don't pick fucking guy. <hes> the bloop stick okay all right. I i was thinking about it. I was thinking about it and i. I don't know if i've done him before but he deserves it so please. The floor is yours over the last since about this july twenty second from july twenty second through august the sixth played fourteen games in those fourteen games tilson cruise hit thirteen home runs twenty-seven stakes scored eighteen runs himself. That's over the course of fifty eight plate appearances not at bats played appearances so many times he was an over the last the last i think seven days or so slashing four fifty eight five thirty six slugging corrobos slugging twelve ninety two a- an old p._s. God damn near two thousand. No the boob stick folks the boob stick and one more throw one more at that you jared <hes>. I didn't have to change that second diaper so i got one more in jack flaherty okay jack flirty lasts five starts thirty one and a third innings fifteen knox thirty nine punch outs only nine walks. That's good for a one one five e._r._a. R._a. In an opponents batting average of one forty go get him youngster that show above <hes>. Which one do you want. I want my crowd-pleaser or do you want my my surprise pick. I want your crowd-pleaser. I flo bush assets. Yeah has started his major league career with a ten game game hitting streak. He's hitting four zero nine. He's slugging seven ninety five that is at twelve fifty four o. P. s. with three homers homers already eight doubles eight his first. This game comes easy to him. He's twenty one years old old. He has eight doubles in his first ten major league games three homers. That's crazy hating four zero nine with a twelve fifty four o. p. Ask the blue jays man. I'm telling you they're going to be the team to watch and we were talking about talking about bischette and bijou and vladi junior. I ah i don't know like for like the last year and i thought that there was going to be so much hype that it was like god. This is going to be no way like the the ideas cool. The concept is cool but there's no way that that these guys are gonna come up and set the world on fire wrong is happening is happening my next pick dallas just to show some love surprise surprise. Pick your mike talk men. Call wow wow look at you. Mike talk men deserve some love since july nineteenth dallas. Do you know who leads the majors and batting average like t. It's mike talk man. He's sitting four twenty four with a twelve eighty two open. Yes that is third best in the major leagues. Obviously <hes> obviously only nelson cruz has a higher <hes> opium over that same span. He's gonna fucking ten ninety two slug and those eighteen games while talk hochman has an eight fourteen slug which is better than jose altuve as eight ten slug although altuve is higher <hes> than talk walkman in the p._s. Rankings there. This guy is a fucking monster in his last seventeen games. He has twenty eighty five hits six of them for doubles. One triple five homers is driven in seventeen runs in those seventeen games in which the new york yankees have gone and eleven and six i._t._t. It's kind of the face of the next man manna for the for the pinch drivers on the sock man as they call him the sock man. There's some great baseball coming up this week in dallas there is there's some sa- playoff implications should type <hes>. That's the kinda shit. I'm into yeah we got. We got the tribe at the twinkies board as they keep cranking here so that's big that is big big for me you as an as guy wanna see see just how that tribe handles business. I know they're thinking about that. A division another thinking about that division and it's also big as i want to see if the minnesota twins identified early on or able to hold john they've got a lot of guys on that squad right now having a pretty good season one max kepler comes to mind. I would love to see him round out the season with a nice division title. That'd be that'd be good. I think that'd be good for all but what are the pitchy matches. What have we got. We got i think cliff cliff goes tonight right cleven gabby and then the beeps sorry about your twenty nineteen all star m._v._p. Welcome against smeltzer and then pluto against ota rizzi believe and <hes> after that i think the indians go boston the yankees and the mets so they've got <hes> they got their work. Cut out for a little bit of a stepping stone right after this series here into boston and that'll rent them games back for the yankee yeah yeah games back in by the way i was on it all away. Don't count out the indians were. They like fucking ten eleven years back. Don't count them out. Don't count they might catch you. Got your guess what they could be in first place by the end of the series first place by the end of this series this dallas as a as a baseball guy you probably you probably got a little hard on for some pitching matchups. Do you want to hear some pitching. Matchups optime jeez nationals us at the mets. This is a big series for the mets and i think i think she <hes> shannon. She's a big mets fan on twitter. She made this point trying to calm down mets fans because they have a gauntlet of teams that they're running up against pretty soon <hes> and it starts it starts with the nets and she said instead of panicking about you know the teams that the that the mets have to go through you know for the next three four weeks. Don't you think that those is teams. Kinda sweating bullets to play the mets. I mean that's not something that you would want to run into right now offensively. They're hot pitching. It's hot <hes> so this series nats mets you got strasbourg versus stroman steady the old debut and you bet your ass that marcus stroman is going to be jacked up for his first start in queens then. Do you have patrick corbin versus noah syndergaard saturday night. That's going to be a barn burner. Then you got anibal anibal sanchez versus jacob degrom on sunday at one o'clock that one not i mean like animal sanchez credited this fucking guy he's sound like a very consistent as low key pretty damn good major league baseball career <hes> so now you have degrom as your finisher. You're closer on sunday and speaking of pitching matchups. We don't have this series on this year. We're doing heavy mets nats twins indians but i can't not mention this four-game series the reds versus as the cubs cole hamels versus alex would tonight thursday you darvish versus trevor bauer on friday riday kyle hendricks versus sonny gray on saturday and then louise castio versus john lester on sunday so that is is going to be quite the fucking series too. I mean the people don't get enough credit for being quietly pretty good baseball baseball team with a hell of a rotation. I'm excited. I'm excited for some weekend baseball. I'm excited to be with dallas this weekend. We're going baltimore baltimore. We'll be landing in baltimore friday we get john means trae manzini coming up on the podcast saturday j. as wedding adding shit. We got a bar stool table me dallas kevin clancy who some continental probably be coming out of that will be. We'll probably have a you know a a nice little command center set up. I'm sure we'll have the mets. The mets nats will be on a mobile device. I'm sure we'll have twins indians on mobile device and because <hes> you know mike mike charts playing the at fenway so i'll probably you know he doesn't go there a lot so maybe i'll afire that one up that i'll be keeping track of the oakland a.'s as they continue to pace as their way into the postseason jarrett's at least two or three out of us to be able to kind of watch some hopeful postseason baseball or as i believe the as because we are are becoming home. We're not coming home because i'm there. I think we've got the white sox 'cause we're. We're spending yeah the white sox. 'cause we yeah. It's pretty crazy week for the oakland a.'s spending an entire week in chicago. They just got done with their set against against the cubs. No the have the white sox who they've done well against they've kicked out of the central so hopefully that continues. I can't wait. I can't wait to see jay site his life away yeah. The one bites the dust going to be great that all three members of starting nine officially married damn jay was the last last one hold out down down goes havens yeah we speaking of do we gotta get your girl an extra battery packers good to go talking about a sexual device than penis talking about on that note baseball fans grounds crew. It's a big weekend for baseball. Enjoy all the baseball that so you have to watch this weekend should be a lot of fun <hes> and again. We got more contact coming to you. We get more trips lined up. We get the means interview. We have the manzini manzini interview coming. We still have some more dodgers content that we're gonna roll out <hes> and then we interviewed caleb. Smith sure did yeah we. We want to check off the box. We had to get some love for the marlins in there at some point found a good lefty get it done yeah yeah dallas and his lefties all right. We'll see next week.

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'Screwball,' Hockey In 'Love Story,' March Madness

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'Screwball,' Hockey In 'Love Story,' March Madness

"Thanks for listening to only a game. We'd like to better understand who is listening and how you're using podcasts. Please help us out by completing a short anonymous survey at NPR dot org slash podcast survey. That's all one word. It takes less than ten minutes and really help support the show that's NPR dot org slash podcast survey. And thanks. This is only a game. I'm Karen given. So as I understand it the seed for this movie actually was planted when a rod contacted you is that right? Yeah. I was approached by a Rod's publicist in November of twenty thirteen. The story of the biogenesis steroids scandal broke earlier in in two thousand thirteen with the Miami New times had this insatiable report, which blew the lid off of this operation, and among the marquee names was Alex Rodriguez. That's Billy Corbin. He's a documentary filmmaker who's lived all his life in Miami. And his media studio racking tour is basically known for two things movies about drugs like two thousand six's cocaine Cowboys and movies about sports like the you and the U partout both produced for ESPN. Yeah. We tell a lot of stories about Miami drugs and sports, which are all very interconnected themes, corbin's latest movie is about all three it's called screwball. And it's already won the audience award said the key west and Miami film festivals. I went to Tampa was not go town Tampa knocked on the door. And when the door was open. It was a route was Alex. The first words out of his mouth was I want whatever Manny was taking screwball features a cast of lip synching actors and tells the story of the fall of the biogenesis anti-aging clinic where Tony Bosch provided performance enhancing drugs to dozens of athletes, including the man who was then the highest paid player in major league baseball history. Alex rodriguez. Major league baseball came down hard on Alex Rodriguez assigned commission, a lifetime ban. This is the longest suspension in the league's history to quadrant. Eleven regular season games through the twenty fourteen season. Yet regard trader apparent that to eleven game number the suspension could actually stretch into the two thousand fifteen season lengthy suspension is potentially career ending. I'm fighting for my life. Have to defend myself about on defend myself. No one else will. So getting back to November of two thousand thirteen when Billy Corbin was approached by a Rod's publicist. The publicist said Alex is going to be on a break from the arbitration. And he would like to meet with you to talk about the possibility of some kind of tell all documentary. I think was how it was teased to me. And so I figured okay mic producing partner. Alfred spellman, and I will meet with a rod you'll real quiet. You know, hush-hush top secret. So they said no, meet us at high noon at hill stone restaurant on the most prominent corner of the city right on miracle. Mile and pasta Leon boulevard like the power lunch. Spot in the city every seat is taken three deep at the bar. There's like Florida ceiling windows, and then an open kitchen, so literally from the street to the dishwashers in the back. Everybody can see everything happening in this dining room and Alfred I walk in. And we are a score. Down the center aisle to the back middle booth, which is literally on a step. It's like on a stage. We had to step up to join a rod where he was holding court with his publicist and friends and all eyes were on us. And we sit down with Alex. So we spent about ninety minutes with him where he lied to us about basically, everything it turns out that we were just kind of pawns in his PR offensive against major league baseball at that time because I spent the next seven months or so corresponding with the publicist about scheduling an interview that never happened that was the end of Arabs involvement in the project, but not the end of the project. Right. I mean, you decided to do this. Anyway. So was Anthony Bosch already on your radar because he seems like totally the kinda guy in your real house. Oh, hell, yeah. I mean, this guy was a Miami creature. If ever there was one who is Anthony Bosch, and why is he so crucial to the investigation from Anthony Bosch the owner and founder of biogenesis injected by Tony Bosch in his home on regular Cajun's. And Tony, of course, was this fake doctor? He doesn't like when I call him that he prefers the term unlicensed physician, but the truth is he. He did not study medicine in the United States, and he was not licensed to practice it in the United States. All right. So what happened? Did you like call? Tony Bosch up and say, I want to put you in a movie, how'd that go down? It's almost crazier than the rod thing. Believe it or not this was almost exactly a year after we had met with Alex Rodriguez. And now we get a call from Tony Bosch who says I'd like to meet with you and discuss the possibility of doing a documentary and after several meetings in a couple months Tony goes to federal prison. He will be eligible for a reduced sentence. If he continues to cooperate. Anthony, Bosch sentenced to forty eight months in federal prison. Once again, we decided to move on and backburner this project and believe it or not not even a month after that. I get an Email from Tim L Frank who is the investigative reporter who broke the scandal. He said, listen, I got a call from Puerto Fisher who was the whistle blower, and he would like to talk to you about the possibility of doing a documentary, and I was like, I'm not a very spiritual guy. And but I I just pause, and I said if ever the universe was trying to tell us something, I mean, the three central figures in this epic international baseball scandal all independent of each other called us. Somebody is trying to tell us to make this documentary. And we decided you right, then and there Tony got out of prison, and we interviewed Puerto Fisher we interviewed Tony Bosch and quickly realized from talking to them that you know, the story is not about a rod don't tell him that. But it's not about a-rod. You know, it's. Really about this Omori Leonard coral hyacinth, Coen brothers, esque, Florida, f- are-, I'll say for terrestrial radio that was a story to us was this these crazy characters, and and the fact that the career of the highest paid baseball player in history was ended over a four thousand dollar dead between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake tan. Addicted steroid patient that to me was the story. And so that's the story that we alternately pursued and told in scruple give me four thousand and I'll give you back forty eight hundred away of twelve hundred bucks every week. Then a month we paid back. I was like, okay. You can't understand the deal that porter and Tony Bosch made for four thousand dollars. It's probably because the deal doesn't make any sense. You know, we've made a lot of sports documentaries and something like the u or the you park too. It's a pretty straightforward borderline paint-by-numbers exercise, not to belittle the. Angst of of making documentary. But the interview players interview coaches, they talk about games, and you show footage from those games. The thing screwball is not about sports. It's certainly sports Jason. But they might mention over the hour and forty minutes of the movie, they mentioned three different baseball games. There's one game against Kansas City after Tony Bosch starts treating a rod when he hits three home runs in that one game. I asked him how he felt he says, you know, I feel like I'm eighteen again. I don't know what fuel you put in there. But whatever it is just keep on putting it that's seconds out of the whole thing. So we realized we all of this story takes place in nightclubs and locker rooms and hotels, and in these shady clinics, and so there's no footage of that. And then listening to the way Tony Bosch told a story and Puerto Fisher told the story who are our two primary narrators I said old they're so vivid in the moment when they tell the story, they do it. For example, I walked into his office. And I said I want my money. So what I'll have him. Tony. This isn't a game. I want my money back your way behind I want my money. I'm Dr twenty mosh. What are you going to do about it? Both of them spoke like in dialogue. So take me to the moment. When you have the idea to use actors to help you tell this story. I mean where were you and? What made you think of that drunk? I was drunk obviously, say, oh, well, we could drunk history. This okay, we need to pause here for a second to explain drunk history. It started out on YouTube. But it was so popular that it became a show on comedy central and basically someone usually a comedian gets really drunk and explain some historical event on Tiffany haddish. And today, we're gonna talk about rose Vallon, and then actors are brought into lip sync the dialogue that the drunk. People are imagining the real life historical characters might have said enrolls be like, I'm memorize this. So Billy Corgan decided to drunk history. The dialogue in his movie with one pretty big difference dawned on me that well everybody acted like children. I mean. And actually worse than children because I feel like there's just such a level of just disregard for a thirty and the rules and just selfishness and they're worse than children. It's not even fair. So I thought like wouldn't it be funny? If the actors were kids and like literally eight nine ten year old kids with facial hair dressed as cops in lab. Coats with stethoscopes pinstripes Yankee uniforms. There was some inspiration for this. And some foundation for it in nineteen Ninety-seven. This is one of my favorite music videos of all time on never forget. The first time I saw a spike Jones. The director was faced with a unique challenge. He had to produce a posthumous music video for biggie who had recently been murdered for the song sky's the limit. And so what he decided to do was just to do a straightforward classic. Our title, bad boy, records hip hop music. Video of the mid to late ninety s with the fancy cars the for sake. Close the mention the pool the girls, but everybody was eight years old prince Madrid. He had a a baby biggie lip synching, baby. Puffy a baby Busta rhymes a baby. Lil Kim always held that in the back of my mind that that would be a really interesting approach someday. And you can't just do it for anything, you know, like coking cowbys would not be appropriate, for example, are so after you came up with the idea, and before you actually found the kids in started shooting, it you must have sobered up and told someone your plan. How did that conversation go? I was bullish on it. I was psyched, man. You can imagine sobered up the next day. And I was like, no it's still it's still a good idea. And they agreed. And I think they knew we were desperate. We needed something. We needed an idea we needed to do re-creations re-creations are hard, you know, to make them. Look good to have them stylistically incorporate into your documentary seamlessly and so we needed a bold idea. It's pretty out there. Listen, the thing was always called screwball. That was always our approach to the story whenever we make a documentary cocaine. Cowboys we say this isn't just a documentary. What John is this movie? So cooking Cowboys we said, this is a gangster movie. So we made it that way and same thing. Here was screwball. We're like this is a comedy. So let's make it like a comedy. So every decision we had to make aesthetically would hopefully support the tone. And we went through a lot of trouble to to make it happen. So I hope it worked. Well, so how do you go about casting like ten year old? A rod like how does that process like? Well, we did secretly we changed the names in the script. We try. We we didn't want anybody to know. We were we were doing, and we wound up with this incredible cast of the most professional responsible kids would have very challenging apart, which was to not only memorize lines. But to be able to deliver them exactly the way the interview subjects originally said them, and then to be able to lip sync them in perfect time one day. There's a knock at my door, and I opened up the door. And there's two guys standing there. Are you porter? And I was like who's asking and they're like well with MLB detective Wiley was there ever a moment that you were watching this and thinking, oh, no this isn't going to work. I didn't have time for that. It was it was only later when I was like, what did we do, you know, because when you're on said, you have a ten day schedule and all these pages to shoot and the others costumes and makeup tests. And there's art directors who are recreating these locations. If you're not totally confident about it. You certainly have to appear that way is the director is you're like, you're you're piloting the ship, man. And everybody's looking at you going like is this right or redoing this, right? Is this good? And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Totally totally totally right. 'cause and I'm like who the hell knows I guess, you know, comedies in the eye of the beholder. I mean, I thought it was working. I had a good feeling. So take me to when you finally got to show the results to someone else was that another nerve wracking moment. I was excited about it a little hesitant and people just started laughing, which was when I hope would happen. And I didn't care if they were laughing with us or at us at that point. That's the thing with docs, too. And I noticed when I go to film festivals documentaries tend to be really serious and the audiences tend to come in thinking. All right. This is going to be about drugs and baseball. This is doping document. This is going to be serious and intense. And so you need to give the audience almost permission to laugh, and it's been a lot of fun touring around the world with it. And watching the audience laugh, and gasping, giggle and heckle, you know, yell at the screen. It's a lot of fun. Well audiences are loving it. What do you think a-rod would make of it? I his hustle. A rod is experiencing this. I can't even call it. A resurgence in popularity because let's be real. He was never that popular to begin with. I mean, Yankees fans would them. At home games for crying out loud. So his rebirth. As a pop culture superstar. I think it's really interesting. I think it's a compelling element to this story. I don't wanna put words in your mouth. But it sounds like you don't care what a rod, thanks. If your movie. No, no, putting putting words in people's mouth. Is what our documentary is all about if you think about it. But listen, I can't imagine. He would he wouldn't get a kick out of it. It's all true. And so I don't think he would he would argue with the facts of it. It's one of the most meticulously if not the most meticulously researched documentary we have ever done. And I think listen totally. I think it's a lot of fun. And I think he might might be at a place in his life. At least I hope he is where he's happy and he's healthy and he successful and he can laugh at himself. I have no trouble laughing at him. I hope that I hope that he would have no trouble laughing at him. Either. That's documentary filmmaker Billy Corbin. His latest movie screwball was released in theaters this week. During the filming of the hockey scenes in nineteen seventies. Love story co star. Ryan O'Neal ran afoul of then Harvard hockey coach Bill cleary, I really unloaded on. I good. Who the hell lead think you are? I could get less about you Hollywood. Or anyone else? That's coming up on only a game from NPR. This podcast is made possible by Samuel items for thirty four years Samuel. Adam says made their Boston lager inefficiently Sam Adams brews with one hundred percent heirloom middle. Fru hops logger in their beer for over a month. The Boston beer company, Boston mass savor the flavor responsibly. Whether it's athlete protests, the Muslim travel ban gun violence, school reform or just the music. That's given you life right now race is the subtext to so much of the American story on coats, which we make that subtext text. You can listen to us on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Karen given. And it's time for three stories, you should know the NC double A tournament continues this weekend. We're going to start this week segment by talking about some stats. You probably won't hear about during the television broadcasts. I'm joined by New York magazine, contributing editor will Leach and by Derrick Jackson can trip. Peter to the undefeated, welcome to both of you. And honor as always Bank you care. Derek you're up. I this is my twenty third year of doing graduation rates of both the football bowl teams. And the March madness basketball teams in the part, I really enjoys comparing the women's graduation rates with the men's particularly since in a very real sense. What the women are doing represents one of the highest forms of equality and all of American education. So this year the entire women's field had a graduation rate as defined by the NC double A of ninety two percent ninety six percent for white players eight percent for black players. So there's a little room for growth because eight is a B plus thirty one the women's teams had a one hundred percent graduation rate for black women. This contrast, very different with the men to be clear the men's graduation rates, including the black athletes has improved over the years. What is still remains to me a very symbolic of the? Exploitation. It still goes on is the disparities between the white graduation rates and the black graduation rate's. The worst was Abilene Christian with gap of forty six percentage points between the twenty nine percent for black players and the seventy five percent for white players. There were several other schools where the graduation rates where at least thirty three percentage points different. In fact, in lots of metrics. It's just seemed like so many cases this success of black man compared to white men will sort of three fifths. That's excess. So I called it the three fifths compromise harkening back to the the constitutional compromise in seventeen eighty seven. So the women play the same number of games as men the intensity to perform is the same as the men and somehow those programs still graduate their players, the men, don't there's no excuse. And before I send it to you. Well, we we should just point out that these stats do not include players who go pro early but are in. Good standing academically with university, right? Like, those people are just not included in the staff. Correct. AM the credit for transfers who come in and do graduate. It's the it's the most generous statistic the NCW could offer the idea of graduation rates in college, sports, frankly, so rarely even comes up in conversation anymore to be honest. We like the the debate about college sports is actually kind of gone away from are. We graduated these players in more. Why aren't we paying these players? And how it I I'm really glad Derek that. You are actually like this is something that you stayed on for so long because not to say that the conversation we're having about paying players is not important. But the idea that like these I know that we have to join the tournament. We kind of pretend it's not about college basketball college, right? It is these people are actual college students and the point of going to college is to graduate. And for some reason this used to be a central part of every conversation about college sports. And I think it's almost faded out faded away entirely. It's so funny. Every time I have a conversation with someone about the concept of paying players. They say why would you pay them? They're getting a free education. And I'm like, no, many of them are not getting a free education. And that's really kind of the point here. You know, I've been following these reports for many years, maybe not all Twenty-three, but a lot of years I've been paying attention to them. And it feels like the takeaway these usually somewhere along the lines of progress has been made, but gaps still remain and you bring up Abilene Christian, which is just someone has really got to talk to them. But overall, it seems like this progress is very very slow. And I'm wondering if you ever find yourself, adding up all these numbers and just wanting to scream at your computer screen and say, why aren't we getting better faster? I know why we're not getting better faster. I once asked Mark Emmer the head of the NC double A, should you track? These graduation rates in. About sanctions in terms of race. Because so many of these schools they technically get to the fifty percent graduation rate that is kind of the rough standard now that's acceptable to avoid sanctions by having. These astronaut Michael white rates and horrible a mediocre black rates in to me black athletes of the canary in the coal mine in division, men's basketball and football because the vastly disproportionately represented on these teams, and he said, no, and I actually called the office about a year a couple years ago to try to update this because these disparities continue continue continue, and I didn't get a response. So unless the NCWA is going to deal with the racial aspect of these graduation rates. There's not going to be any change on Monday morning at March madness tweeted, a medium with the caption, quote when you find out there are no hashtag March madness games until Thursday. The only. Problem. Well, round two of the women's tournament was being held that very same night. Now, if we tried to point out all the stupid things that has ever been said on Twitter, we will be here all day and all day tomorrow and the day after that. But it does bring up something really interesting to me. And that is that the NC double A actually has two separate Twitter accounts for the men's and the women's tournaments. So the men get at March madness, which is quote, the official NCWA March madness destination for all things division. One NC double men's basketball, hashtag March madness. And quote, it has nearly one point four million followers. Now, the other Twitter account is at NC double aid WBZ be. Yeah. Just try to say that. And it doesn't even use the March madness hashtag. But instead relegates women's games to hashtag NC, double A W. I mean, I can't. Even say it. It's ridiculous. Why oh, why do we need to separate Twitter accounts for the men's and women's tournaments are men's fans really going to turn away from their Twitter machines, if they're forced to watch women's celebrating games? They're not. So I feel that there should be no reason why we shouldn't let fans of the men's game. No how much fun the women are having Derek. What do you think? Don't agree. I mean, I wish the NC double A would take just a little bit of look at tennis going back to Navratilova ever, Billie Jean King. And now, obviously the Williams sisters, you know, the interest in that. I wish they take a look at what are the top sports looked at in the Olympics figure skating gymnastics, I'm at my wife, and I sit up for hours watching women's gymnastics during the Olympics. We probably watch that together more than any other sport. And so I think the NCW has a little bit. They still. They believe too much in the old stereotype that the athletic feats of men, stronger, powerful all that. And frankly, I enjoy watching the women play. I can follow the strategy. I also know they're in it for, you know, much more substantive reasons than a lot of the one in Duns. Well, you know, I think one way to tackle. This would be to look at the sponsors of the I'm sorry, not the sponsors the corporate champions of the tournament called by CVS. Sorry. I didn't mean to call them sponsors. They're much more hallowed than a mere advertisers. But I mean, the LA has often separate deals with the women's tournament end the end the men's tournament, which I think that for me, you get Coca Cola or you get Capital One or other champions two. Maybe actually it'd be a larger part of the women's German. I think that would make it the simple. A listen one of the craziest things, but the turnament is there is eleven months out of the year. We think that NC double A are like the most we hate them. We and then one month have you ever like, hey. Felt your bracket and we'd like it. But it is kind of funny though, because I think is is even losing this month a little bit more, the one of the few things I like about the internet anymore is when a brand we'll try to do like, a funny Meam, but like says something stupid, and or offensive and just gets hammered for it afterwards because the brains are not your friends. So just because the brand does like a funny parks. Recreation gift does not mean that they're cool. It just means that they have probably very underpaid social media intern. Absolutely. But speaking of that, very underpaid social media, intern one of the things that's always said about promoting women's sports is it's going to cost money. Right. Hey, if you just merged the social media streams, you have one less underpaid social media, intern turn to pay will you're up. So opening day was this week. And what my does it effectively wild podcast, great podcast by Miller been Lindberg and. Make Rowley, and they have a theory that baseball would be a lot better. If you just had no offseason news and it just the season started. And you're like wow, price Harper's on the Phillies. Now, I'll call spits on the cardinals. That's amazing. And that sounds like comical, but I have to say I thought about this a lot on opening day this week because we spent this entire off season hearing about nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. But the idea that like nothing happened. They were massive shifts that went on in baseball this off season. This got me thinking if I make pick this all way round of the end of the Muller investigation. I've written about this for New York magazine, we've had so much speculation in so much. What's what's going to happen? What's going to happen that people are exhausted? So by the type of thing it actually has come out. We're all just like boy, we expected so much worse. The general kind of the way we cover both sports news. In political news has become to the point that we we are physically incapable of having perspective on it. So so I think about my father my father does not pay. The offseason newsies take pigeons sports recruiting. He just he just goes on opening day. Like, hey, awesome. Look who's on our team now and on one hand that sounds insane in this media environment to do that on the other hand. He was like, wow. This is really exciting. The Paul Goldschmidt on the cardinals now. Well, there's a Trump really did a lot of stuff you tell me who's right me or him. I think it's him. Derek? What do you think? Well, I'm with you all the way man because I remember summer two thousand eight I was on a a scout trip in New Mexico. And when we took off we were looking at ESPN on on take off to New Mexico. It was the store was Brett farve. Retiring was he going to another team? And then we were in New Mexico wilderness for two weeks, and when we were at the airport going home to Boston it's two weeks later and Brett Farr it's still not decided whether he's retiring or going to another team. So I said, that's it. I'm not gonna pay any attention to the stuff in the summer anymore during the football offseason. I'm with you. You know? Well, we're we're laughing at about this. But I think there are consequences to the fact that we pay this much intention to this very small incremental news. I think it's really kind of somewhat dangerous like we think back to just five weeks ago. Manny Machado had just signed. What was at the time the largest free agent deal in history. And we were kind of unmoved, you know, we were we were like no nothing has happened. Nobody signed this is ridiculous player eats union head. Tony Clark was using words like strike and hinting at collusion. And of course, since then the record set by Machado has been broken. And I'm beginning to wonder if the reason why we went straight to strike instead of just there are problems with free agency is because there was all this incremental news of nothingness, and it just kind of has me worried. Am I being? Cynical? Or is there something really there? This has happened. This is not just in baseball to look at look at like, the NBA the NBA has had his actually whether we consider the problem, not there's certainly had the situation for a few years now where talking about the NBA seem so often be more exciting for people than actually physically watching the NBA. And it's funny to meet the example of this now in the NBA is Kevin Durant with the Knicks like honestly, the idea of Kevin Durant. One of the best players NBA history going to the Knicks who I literally just saw them play last week. And they lost to a team of second graders that played at halftime. Like, it is unbelievable that Kevin Durant might go to the Knicks. But but because there's been all these stories and all of these rumors and all these by the time that happens if it happens, I can't believe it could possibly happen. But if it happened will be like, yeah, we we couldn't saw like real life is to somehow not satisfying assessment as our imaginations running away with us. Well, so how do we fix it? What do we do about it? I think it's time. Shut down the internet. Karen? I don't I don't know. I mean. I think it's it's got to be too late. It's too late to put that genie back in the bottle of afraid. My guests for this week's three stories. You should know have been New York magazine, contributing editor will Leach and Derrick Jackson contributor to the undefeated. Thanks to both of you. Thank you for having me begging, Karen. We'll be right back with Charlie Pierce. Don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Twitter at only a game. And. Planet money tip number seventeen. A great analogy doesn't have to make sense measure in a one legged Bob cat covering up. Your don't crap on a frozen pond. Didn't you just make that? Well. Yeah. Planet money a poetic podcast about the economy. I'm Karen given next week on only a game. How a crisis of confidence led Dez Linden to her best performance and Boston marathon title. But now Charlie Pierce is here with the week's news. Hi, Charlie Purdue topped Tennessee on Thursday night, which broke the bracket of Greg Nigel the man who has far as we know was the first pick a perfect Sweet Sixteen would you like to offer a tip of the cap to Nigel anyway. Well, I think you know, he picked the original bracket while he was on cold medicine. There's no question that, you know, you get him off drugs, and he's not very good at. It's a remarkable thing. It may be ninety percent luck. I don't care. He has a distinction in the university of Tennessee should be enormously disappointed that they let him down. I'm using the as far as we know. Disclaimer because we're only really talking about brackets admitted through double A dot com. ESPN Yahoo CBS Fox Sports illustrated and the NCW has only been tracking bracket since two thousand sixteen. So I suppose that could have happened before the internet. You know, what's going to happen? Now, we're going to hear from some survivalist in Maine gets his news over the crystals set the two thousand and one bracket perfectly. It is not easy to replace Pat. Summitt one of the most beloved and successful women's college coaches of all time, Charlie and this week Holly Warlick discovered exactly how difficult it is the Tennessee women's basketball coach was relieved of her duties after the team failed to make it past the opening weekend of the tournament three seasons in a row. Did you ever think you'd see mighty Tennessee fall the Spar? It was interesting because back in the day when the woman's tournament came around Bill, and I used to joke that the only two teams than anybody ever heard of was Tennessee in Connecticut, and I just realized maybe a month ago that I haven't heard anything for Tennessee in a long time. There's Mississippi State there's Notre Dame South Carolina all big high-profile programs, and I had not realized that they had gone out in the first round of tournament three years in real at dynasty schools in any sport in any gender that doesn't happen. You lose your job. This might be terrible for Tennessee. But it might not be so terrible for women's basketball. No, I think that. The way the talent is spread out. Now, you've got teams with enormously. Good records places like Baylor. We we wouldn't think of ten years ago. So no, I think that the the game it can catch up with Connecticut. The game can catch up with anybody. After losing in the World Series two years in a row, the L A dodgers clearly wanted to make their winning intentions known. So what did they do? Get a new slogan. Hit eight home runs, which is really cool. Actually, they won twelve to five over the Diamondbacks. That's kind of a a statement game. I guess is any statement can be the first one hundred sixty two. Meanwhile, the defending champion Red Sox lost their first game of two thousand nineteen. But that's okay. Because they lost their first game last year and that turned out. All right. Yes. The panic is rising outside our studio windows, even as we speak, though, the NFL has done something many said it would never do and that's allow replay on non calls both offensive and defensive pass interference will be reviewable for at least the two thousand nine hundred and season. I guess that's what happens when you're trying to hold the biggest event of the year the Super Bowl, and nobody can stop talking about that miscall from two weeks earlier. Yeah. That's the non coal that may or may not have cost the saints. The NFC. Ship against the Rams. I think that everybody who's cheering. This is going to hate it by the middle of November. Because you're not going to have referees talking about something that didn't happen, or at least it didn't happen. And that requires referees to think, and that's never a good thing. I don't know. I'm the weird person who kind of enjoys the debate that goes on in the broadcast booth while the guys are under the hood. I kind of find it fascinating. But I'm probably the only one. Yes, I've told the entire population of the United States, Karen. And you're the only person who finds that fascinate the NFL did not approve a proposal. That would have addressed the other major controversy of last season's conference championship games. The Kansas City. Chiefs proposed that overtime rules should be amended. So that each team is guaranteed a possession. Does this happen? Every year. Lose a game suggest a rules chain. Yeah. Pretty much and this one has been suggested a number of different times mostly by teams that lost. The coin flip and subsequently to game play defense. Then you don't have to worry about winning or losing a coin flip. According to Tom Dondon, the new majority owner of the alliance for American football. The league is in danger of folding because the NFL players association won't allow them to sign players already under contract with the NFL. Gee, isn't that the kind of thing the league should have worked out before they launch to say if the league has only been around for however, you know, what six months or something, and you're already on your second Jordi owner, you've got real problems. Why would they think some twenty two year old would wanna play football all year? Right. I mean with no time to rest up at all you get some people who are talented enough. So that eventually your football league is the only thing they play in because they're not good enough to play in the NFL. But no good going to want to do that. And finally Charlie over the weekend. Moi's keen became the second youngest player to score for Italy in an international match at the age of nineteen years and twenty three days, and that led Qian's father to bring up the fact that he still hasn't been paid for encouraging his son to sign for the Venice youth academy and the payment. He's been waiting for is to tractors. They promised to tractors and they haven't delivered yet. I won't everybody international soccer is crooked. What can I tell you it promise you anything you get your kid to go to their camps? You know, they're promising a couple of tractors won't even deliver one. You can find the sports reading of Charlie Pearson Sports Illustrated from time to time any joins us each week here on only a game. Thanks, charlie. Thanks, karen. You know, you can get a snow blower. Odds are you're March madness bracket is busted much much worse than that guy who had a perfect Sweet Sixteen but don't worry. You can still build the perfect podcast feed subscribed. The only game podcast on apple podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you listen to the show. And while you're there leave a review and thanks. On Valentine's Day, nineteen seventy a new novel by Erich Segal hit bookshelves. It was called love story, and it was based on the screenplay for a movie that hadn't even been released yet, the one hundred twenty five page book sold more copies than any novel that year, Joe Britannia, then a college hockey goaltender remembers it it was a type of book you can start reading when you've got on an airplane and finish it before the plane took off the movie was released later that year from the most widely acclaimed new novel of the nineteen seventy s alley McGraw and Ryan O'Neal star in the number one bestseller by Erich Segal. Love story. Like the book the movie was panned by critics as shallow and pointless. Spoiler alert. It's the tale of college students. Oliver Barrett the fourth and Jennifer Cavalieri he plays for the Harvard hockey team. She studies music at Radcliffe, they've only in love get married, and then she dies, but the filming of the movie presented a challenge and that challenge had to do with hockey. Only a games. Gary while has the story one day in early nineteen sixty-nine Harvard hockey coach Bill cleary was in his office. He got a phone call from film, producers Howard, Minsk, easy, and David golden. And they said, look, we've got this movie. We wanna make Erich Segal gave me name and number and we'd like to come up and talk to you Erich Segal and Bill Cleary's, brother. Bob, graduated Harvard in nineteen fifty eight Belan Bob had played on the Harvard hockey team and led the nineteen sixty US Olympic hockey team to a gold medal. They needed people could skate. So I should hey, we get the Harvard hockey team. The producers said Bill, and Bob cleary would also get to appear in the film. Bob is a referee and Bill is the body double for leading man, Ryan O'Neal, and they would advise the skaters in the hockey scenes Bill imagined a big Hollywood payday. Joyce shit did them give me half a one percent. Of the revenue Minsk and golden said no Bill cleary settled for a contribution to friends of Harvard hockey and new blazers for the team in December of nineteen sixty-nine filming began at Harvard's home arena. The skaters included players from Harvard and there was one Boston University player who could speak French. He was cast as a French Canadian opponent who gets in a fight with all of her Barrett. Jober Tanya was an eighteen year old freshman goalie for Harvard. He skated onto the set wide eyed and ready to go here excited to be part of it. But then when you actually showing up it was a very tedious project, you shoot a scene, but then you'd wait they might adjust the camera angle of the lighting, and you were there all day some of the shots. Limit through fifteen twenty game the movies, I hockey scene shows a Harvard rush the action is shot from just above the ice surface. The camera was at ice level. I actually Brin that was like a sled oath. The sled was simply a camera mounted on a piece of plywood. Cleary's job during that scene was to push the length of the ice as it trailed the skaters he had to do that a lot because one player he's not sure now who it was had a hard time following the script. He was going in on the goaltender new supposed to school. But you missed so many times thought parking the net. During the week. Clearly had a much tougher time with the film's co star. Ryan O'Neal couldn't skate, and he couldn't handle the puck or anything that shoot him from the waist up, and he'd be moving his eyes in his head. Like he was scanning the ice because if you saw him from the waist down his knees were together, he was over on his ankles, southern California guy who didn't know how to skate. There was another problem. Ryan O'Neal had a full head of wavy blonde hair. The thirty five year old cleary was follicly-challenged. But someone in the wardrobe department came up with a solution customize Cleary's crimson hockey helmet. So they should hold the wig in it. So I could look like, right? The whig was bushy and blonde when they called for his scenes, I remember they put the helmet on him. Some guy would come out with a brush or comb and that. Yeah. Home the wig and. And we got to kick know we were still relatively new to Billy as his players. See our coach getting his hair combed or fake. We got a pretty good kick out of that. They may have had the same hairstyle, but Ryan O'Neal didn't share Bill Cleary's views about one of hockey's unwritten rules. Some comes up to me should Ryan is walking on the cement with skates. I gave him a little heat about it. I should you don't do things like that. But cleary says O'neil walked on the concrete the next day to well. I really on loaded on them. I Greta who the hell need think you are. I could care less about your Hollywood or anyone else. Cleary says O'neil avoided him after that clear he wondered whether he had stepped on director. Arthur Hiller toes when he chewed out love stories leading man. And then I went up and apologized to a hill. He's own all I'm glad you did it. He's getting unbearable scenes were shot at Harvard's arena for two different games a home game against Dartmouth and an away game sort of against Cornell. They probably had two hundred extras, and depending on where the scene was being shot. Those two hundred people moved from section to section. Scored three grade in the same people that would either wear white and green scarf. If there were Dartmouth fans in a white red scarf record fans, the shoot wrapped up after three days, and they will long days. Let me tell you. It was a wonderful experience. And I have a little bit more appreciation what it takes to make a movie. On December sixteenth nineteen seventy love story opened at cinemas across the country. Bill cleary Joe per Tanya attended the premiere at a Boston area theater along with about fifteen hundred of their closest friends. I thought hockey scenes were pretty good. But once the thrill of seeing himself on the silver screen, albeit briefly had worn off for Brittania reality set in. I thought I was a little sappy who's kind of simply tugging at heartstrings. And the story that wasn't completely believable. There were some editing issues too. Like when Oliver has an Ingraham conversation with Jenny sitting here when all your friends route their play in the penalty box. I'm in the penalty box. What did you do? I Barrett sits in the box wearing number seven the same number worn by body double Bill cleary, and then the camera shows number seven skating by so then this that one, but since when did continuity problems or general sappy nece to rail a half, good tearjerker romance. Love story was a box office smash. It's taken in over one hundred million dollars since its release cleary chuckles when he acknowledges that his proposed cut of half of one percent would have been a half million. But it did give him in Brittania and experience. They'll never forget. How many times does an individual get to making movie be part of it? We haven't made any sense, Billy? No, we have an and I don't think it's. Happening. So I tell people I didn't wanna get typecast as a goaltender. So I've been rejecting script seven cents. Even so Brittania hasn't managed to shake his fifteen minutes of fame once in the early nineties. He recognized a familiar face at a state dinner in Washington DC window as pinky. It was her nickname when she was at school from nineteen sixty-nine to nineteen Seventy-three. Pinky Bhutto was an undergrad at Radcliffe college the school Jenny attended in the movie, pinky, loved hockey and knew all the Harvard players. She would later be more widely known as Benazir and also as the prime minister of Pakistan per Tanya, spotted her from across the room. So he started walking to the table. She sit with by spreading quail and his wife, and I could see she recognizes me and she gets up and she extensive Joey so good to see you. Let me introduce you to the vice-president. So vice president Quayle stands up, and she says, Mr Vice-President this jober Tanya, he was the goalie in love story. Myself. That's it. I mean, that's my life has been reduced to that. And I shook the vice president's hand and went back to my table. Bill cleary the one with a hearty laugh is enshrined in the US Hockey Hall of fame three years ago. He and his wife went to see love letters a play starring alley McGraw and Ryan O'Neal. It was great Ryan and would terrific after the show clearly went backstage. So I went up to the fellow at the stage door, and I explained to him. How I did the skating for Ryan. I said I don't know if he wants to say Hello cleary says he hadn't spoken with O'neil since he scolded him way back in December of nineteen sixty nine but Ryan O'Neal emerged smiling. He said do I remember that time you chewed? My. Now that somebody is ago, and he can still remember, and I get your point across. I think I made the point. He was so so nice. I was pleasantly surprised maybe Bill cleary shouldn't have been surprised because after all me never having to say, you're sorry. I just had to end the story with that. I'm sorry. Never having to say, you're sorry. Right. I'll try to remember that. That's only a games. Gary wallich.

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Hour 3: Weekend Observations

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Hour 3: Weekend Observations

"Slam jam Ben dick, what are you doing warm up for the game? I all the games I watch even when I can't get tickets. It helps bring stadium atmosphere to wherever on watching all the diaper. Daddy, doesn't again come on dick save it for the air. We've got a game and check out vivid seats. It's the easiest way to get all the tickets to the games you want to go to vivid seats for the windy. Delivered to our show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent at grocery stores at one percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests from the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sportscenter update Yukon has made it to its twelfth straight. Final four with their win over number one seed Louisville the two thousand nineteen NFL win totals had been announced and sportsbook operator. CG technology expects the patriots to win eleven games. The Browns are expected to win nine and the dolphins. It cardinals are dead last expected to win five games apiece. And finally, according to Jeff Bezos security consultant Bezzaz replied to the threat of extortion from the National Enquirer with a three word Email. No, thank you. Was his response. I got goosebumps reading that. No. Thank you for all the latest headlines and information during the sportscenter on ESPN radio. I mean, that's such a great response. I mean, okay. The guy wasn't extortion. No. Thank you, the guy with f you money, can you that the idea that mi- that might be the most Stu gods? Loose bump thing ever a guy who has been caught in a scandal that involves cheating on his wife with? Just to know that I have the legal team in the money behind that. You just said the whole thing. I just love how much you love the idea of being able to beat back in extorted because you just are flush with quiche. Tweeter writes, in wait, did you actually say best wide receiver we've seen in regards to Odell Beckham dim? I know you're old enough to remember Jerry Rice, and he actually played when bumping runs existed even Teo was better. And Randy moss keys. Okay. Yeah. Got me. He's right. I know. No, it's not actually. Beckham Odell Beckham his started his career faster in terms of production than anyone ever. I think Jerry Rice include. Yeah. He's in terms through fifty games. He had more receiving yards and rice, MAs more, receptions. Right. He's an app. More fifty yard games. He's on a historic pace. And also, this is a shocking sediment, tell you through the first five years of his career. No one's had more receptions and Jarvis Landry. Right. That that is a he's a historic wide receiver in terms of perceptions. Now there are three yards at a time. That's because the game is changed to a passing game where people complete sixty five percent of their. But it's still stunning that drivers Landry at that position is the best through five years at catching the ball. Which is the job has del doing in the ring category. I'll wait really. Well, Jerry's got three. I mean. I mean, okay. Randy get hit. None none. But I think Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver of all time. And I can't believe I still care about this stuff. Okay. Evidently do. So I'm still making fun of the idea of like, I really don't want to have the conversation in any way who was the best receiver other ever. And Furthermore, like I don't want to split the hairs between Randy moss, Jerry Rice te'o and Odell Beckham. Okay. Jerry Rice, let's move on. I mean, you I don't think a lot of people do rings, Jerry Rice. They just do. He did everything better than ever rains help. I mean, okay. Is it is it just three? Then you mix it all up in a little soup. You throw the rings in there the yardage receptions. The did it with two quarterbacks. He did it with the raiders a couple of thousand yard season. You put it all on their greatest wide receiver ever soup. I think you only about that. Never mind. You'll have what what do you? What do you think? What do you think? Because I will. Correct you. You're right. You're right about every. Well, what did you think of one? I want to hear what you thought happened. The Jerry got says weekend observations are coming up in ten minutes. I just what do I have to do to not talk about this anymore? Like bring it up. I know it's my fault. I got I got I know thank you for playing the result. And telling me that it's my own fault that I brought this up. I know I'm just asking you. What do I need to know? What do I need to do right now to never discuss this again with you to go the remainder of my life right with never having another conversation about who's the best wide receiver on heard it's upsetting. Because I love these conversations that you, and I have but just say that Jerry Rice is the greatest ever. That's fine. Well, no, I didn't say, yes. Will never bring it up again. Okay, fine. Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver that was easy. So here's another tweeter writing in a Texas Tech, Auburn Michigan state Virginia this morning. I got tickets for the opera for Saturday night for me. And my girl I'd rather sit through Mozart's lack Clemenza the dito then watch that horrible collection of lower majors compete for the national championship. Put some respect on Jerry Colbert's name. Okay. Texas team Texas Tech team is good who's Culver, Mike. It's gonna be weird. It is going to be odd to see Texas Tech holding up a trophy. I can't get my head around the idea of Texas Tech at the end they get to win. I don't think the sports writers know how to write that story. I believe that ESPN will cover it very poorly because we don't know what to do with Texas Tech winning at the end, the older, I get the more. I want to see the established programs because I've seen Duke play. Plenty I actually had seen Texas Tech play. One sounds like they're good. And I had them as my wacky final four entries. So guess who nailed it this guy? But I'm excited to see Texas Tech and Auburn in playing for a national championship. And this close I'm excited to have Bruce Pearl back in my life. But that's the one that has everyone at ESPN stayed up all night, you're right because there's an Auburn story to tell and there's of course, it Michigan state story to tell and there's a gin boring Virginia story to tell. But how do you tell the story of the red rado know how to say, I we don't put it on the poll. Guillermo, does ESPN know how to tell the story of the red raiders because I believed that he has been now has now arrived at the one story in sports. It cannot tell. What what what do you mean? Texas Tech won the title, wait, watch recovering Zion. Williamson all sees it. Oh, we did. We've talked every day about Zion. Williamson. I just I forgive me. Okay. College basketball fans, I know that that you don't like the analysis around here. But I'm just telling you there's too much damn defense in this. Final four get them all out of here. Zion sore? I want to watch someone fly through the sky and be wonderful. If yet this everyone getting here on grit and grime I don't want Brinton grind with my final four. It's fine for you just missed Megan colleague, grit and grime instead of grind. I'm saying grit and grime oh, no you meant to say that. I don't want that bad. It's funny watching Virginia just hellacious defend keep the cardio, Mike. I think auburn's better defense than they are the best defensive team in basketball. Joe I don't want defense this time of year. I'm Linden into it. I'm appreciating the art for art form get in that dude's face close him out wave your arms around. I mean, you can't even inbound the ball against these teams. And it's crazy. All right. It was Texas Tech who gave up the they were the third best defensive team in the country. I mean, you realize if it's the red raiders and Virginia you realize what we're staring at here. Mike, I'm going to enjoy that ten going to enjoy that. Because my expectations going into it can only be surpassed because this is going to either be the greatest offensive game. Or what are the rankings of all of these defensive teams in the term because I always associate Virginia you haven't even talked about Virginia's one. Okay. So Virginia's won by a wide and Auburn. So great. I don't even know how to measure defense, but they do it better than anybody. Always. Then you have Texas Tech at three an Auburn have to scroll that a bit. Okay. No. Because you were said I thought they were I was wrong. It was Texas Tech. So Michigan state is thirty fourth in the country. So how good is Auburn defense to God? Auburn team not even in the top fifth, Mike. This is what's going to happen? This is what's going to happen on around the horn? He's not gonna have us to clean it up for him. He's just gonna make these agree. He's gonna say auburn's good as down. He meant Texas Tech. I'm gonna win control F and just hit Auburn. He can't even find where they are on defense. Are they in the three hundred thirties? Well, I'm on. I'm in the two hundreds right now when I still don't see them. I think you'd probably didn't see them by mistake. Right. You think you're really it? Enough to read the matrix of two hundred teams control F, what is control. No. Free time for some ads. I mean, I love a good scroll. I mean, let me scroll until I find Auburn control laugh right gear. Mo a little. Scroll wheel in the middle of the mouse. Oh my God. Nothing like it. I found him. What does control F do? You have a yet control. I got it. I didn't even know control. I took a long stroll down to sixty seventies and eighties, and I got to the nineties boom. There was offered at ninety third MRIs hits it today. Control f you Stu gods here for peleton's spring is finally here. And if you're looking to get back into a great workout groove. We have to tell you about the latest from peleton the tread it offers an expansive range of boot camp running strength, walking, and stretching classes the bikes are fantastic. And now the tread. It's convenient bring the best total body instruction to you at home on your time. Peleton knows you're busy classes range from ten to sixty minutes long. I opt for the ten minute long class. 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Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more donlevatar is Mick Jagger, a sex wanna seventy three percent of the audience said. Yeah. That's a victory for this show. Stugatz. Mick Jagger Simpson. Guana VC's Libertad show with stugatz on ESPN radio. Stugatz. His weekend survey shins in one minute stupidity continues to climb the charts. Thank you for all of you. Who have rated reviewed and subscribed. We've got a couple of a couple of episodes of south beach sessions for you this week. We've got a part two with Chris Bosh who was very interesting. And we have a bonus episode for you the biogenesis Dr Tony Bosch. Oh, he'll way. Yeah. And Billy Corbin together. And they just spilled the stories of like how how ridiculous that's steroid. Use was that that went through the pharmacies in Miami. And corporate has been on a media blitz. But I haven't seen him do too much with Tony Bosch, and we got twenty Bausch and Billy Corgan here in studio that movie is about to hit video on demand services. We want this to be a supplemental listening session gets into maybe supporting what Billy does can I release bonus material. I'm just wondering because what happens. You have to work more to release. Bony didn't even release an episode. You were supposed to a couple of weeks ago. That's on the goal licks. I had something plan. I'm just telling you they were around shopping around in west Horford. I was trying to find. All right. You're blaming the golic's. We had everything scheduled to thirty inch show up. There was shopping. Here's two dollars is so surprised in south beach sessions are original concepts that we have. But there were existing podcasts Meena kinds and Sarah Spain, Sarah Spain is a digital monster are fans have really responded to the interviews that she's done. She did one with Tim Kirk and she just did one with Greg Cody. She's been phenomenal Meena kinds year round football podcast this week. We're bringing in Marty Smith's America. This is a very exciting launch for us. We love the mardi party. He had a great episode one lined up for our fans. Rick flair the nature boy wrestlemainia week. Woo mania. And Rick flair just bailed on him. But Marty Smith is always positive and this will not deter Marty Smith from putting out equality episode this week of Marty Smith's, America. So I can't release bonus material because on Thursday stupidity shoots up. And then by Sunday it goes back down. And I wanna keep the stoop. Podcast up in the top five somewhere. You know? It just means you doing more work. Okay. I guess there'll be no bonus. Material Stu gods will be on around worn today. If you want bonus God's at ESPN two today at five o'clock forgive me for lying to you. We will do God's his weekend observations in ten minutes. But I want to celebrate this big day because I don't feel like we've celebrated enough that. Stugatz. This has been man look stugatz. For many years has worked trying to climb up the business. He did. So once upon a time is just a traditional gas bag, and then he pivoted and realize wait a minute. The money is in being a gesture fool. Yeah. But in that transaction, it's the biggest bet we've made it. He has it cashed in for him. But in that transaction, no one respects there. Nope. And so these other television shows got his army have been climbing. At the fringes wanting deserving to be on this gas bag block of television that runs from four to six which you just a small office in Washington short of shepherding old sports writers into a pen four to six every day. And it's been trying to make it to the mainstream the main channel. And I thought he was going to make it to the main channel today. But today for some reason around the horn is on ESPN two which which is why I'm probably on. Yeah. Which by the news, if you're on we don't know idea they had no idea for fools day. And it might be Joe I'm starting to get nervous to be honest with you because the Email the communication have become less than less as we get closer to the show. And I need more for me. Are they are they playing a trick on Stu gods? We had Tony reality. Join us in the first hour of the show, and he did nothing to calm, my fears, and I'm going to be genuinely heartbroken for Stu gods. Because this is something that he really wants. And this is a destination. How long he wanted this? It's all he talks about and since we got taken photos of you in front of the old backdrop the around the horn backdrop I've walked times in on him out there, and he's just taking selfies in front of the backdrop smiling into the camera. Longing hoping no one sees what he's actually doing. It is a call today. The executive producer is walking me through the show. I said, hey, man, do you know, how long have consumed your show for like, I know your show exactly what I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to do it. And so he was surprised by that. I'm like, I watch your show very very often. But I still I haven't heard from him since that call at. So I'm starting to doubt. Have you been practicing bite-size takes? No, I mean, he's going if you're bite size. What do you mean again out of the way, I'm going to talk for twenty three minutes? I mean just chop it up. I guess I don't know talk. I'm gonna give my dates and when I'm done talking, then they can go to the next person. I'll repeat myself a thousand times, I don't care because sometimes you really need to hammer on the point. And the only way to do it is by repeating your point like even the rent. I mean, that's why Kevin Durant. It's gotten to his years that he's wreck the NBA because I keep hammering home that at that point. I mean, and he's heard about it. I mean because he responded to me on Twitter through incarcerated, Bob. Call me lazy. That I take the easy path because I go out to a shoe store to purchase shoes. I buy my mind was a good comeback. They're incarcerated Bob. Hey, what's wrong? Stugotz is weakened observations nex donlevatar. We have a montage of useless sound that will be for. I'm sorry. I haven't I'm having trouble with my voice what he wanted to do. I can't I can't relate at all. I cannot really stugatz. I'll tell you what happened there. I just shoveled for Turkey sticks into my face. Without using my hand. And I ate them the way the appellate can Mike VC's live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio Stu gods says weekend observations are going to be in a minute here. But I just heard Mike he was rubbing his shoulders to God's his shoulders like a boxing trainer. He was giving them a pep talk about being on around the horn, one of the things he said was, you know, with all the let's goes, let's go. Let's go wired for sound. Let's go don't get Sodano. Don't get it on owed is what he said. I think he wanted that to remain private. I I don't know. I didn't know what it meant. What did that mean? George Sodano was all excited. He got the call from Tony reality, and he made his debut in September of two thousand eighteen that was the first of three appearances, according to Wikipedia up, but still God's sitting here saying to you that he will not he will make it so memorable today that he is guaranteeing us that he is going to get invited back again. And again, and again, that's why I was surprised to see you pep talking him because I don't think he's got any sort of confidence problem here. No, he's got all the confidence in the world. But he also has a self awareness problem is a very long winded individual. He's not very self aware in this regard either. So what I keep trying to hammer home with him as bite size. You only got a thirty second window to work. Here gives great great in thirty seconds. But the more I talked the last Cala shot talks. And that's a win for everyone. I mean, let's be honest. Listen, I am telling you they're going to have to pry me off a set of this show. I might sleep there tonight. And I'm probably. I'm going to be back on tomorrow. I say probably no one's indicated that yet. But I'm just guessing you're going to be on today, and it's not an April Fool's day joke. But if you're on there today, Mike, I'm here. I think that that would be great. If Stu gods jobs goes on attack mode at people like cowlishaw, like just no one wants to hear you talk your calendar. Shut up. Yeah. Go at them. Yeah. If you're going to be long winded, you might as well make this personal right? If I'm on the show, I'll be on with I think Sarah Spain and go after all, I'm not gonna go. Well. Well, how about me times? I mean, I think menas part of the the panel as well. And then I got Frank. I saw the iceman. All right. That's your Mark. That's my targets. You Mark go out. Do not let up on I sold a Buryat around the horn five PM eastern today. ESPN two stugatz is allegedly making his debut time now for Stu gods. His weekend observations. It is time for us to guts to share his skin notes. No, one in the media will tell you what happened, but at my voice to weekend observations brought to you by vivid seats need seats to a game. Download the vivid seats app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat get a vivid seat. Then today several teams maybe gin their off season workout programs. Dan, the NFL is back. Saw Auburn for the first time this season. They are good. Joe Friday night. I had no idea the head coach of the university of Houston was Kelvin Sampson. In fact, it till Friday night, I had no idea. Kelvin Sampson was still coaching a weekly tradition. Unlike any other the warriors being furious about something. It's annoying new rule when you're starting five is Steph curry Klay Thompson, Draymond green DeMarcus cousins, and I haven't even gotten to Kevin Durant. Yes. You can't complain about anything. Thank you. Then Auburn just two wins away from what will eventually be a vacated title. What happened? What happened? What happened there whatever the highest rate of golf event of all time is it will be easily surpassed by this year's masters. Tom Rinaldi when you speak. I feel it in my soul. Lincoln Nebraska has a new mayor and his name is Fred. What do you mean? Nebraska ball that. Now, you're. Raise broilers World Series. Collision course, the brew crew. The Marlins traded Christian yelich her a guy who it forge it in forty at bats is betting one eighty nine Jeff walls, head coach of the Louisville women's basketball team reminded the governor of Kentucky that there was another team from the state that made it to the elite eight his team. Jeff, I understand and agree with your overall point. Also, let me know when you're done padding yourself on the back Johnny Menzel left an af game with a head injury. Pretty certain he also entered the game with a head injury. Johnny football. Hey warriors. You were up nineteen on the timber wolves shut up already Tom Izzo take a chill pill. Relax arm was described as off the charts. Not sure what that means. But it sounds good. Also, maybe they should create a new chart for the arms that are off the chart. Accents. Off the chart I feel bad for the poor. Short being another an off the chart chart. Go Nick Posta had dinner with the cardinals on Friday night at a restaurant called smokescreen, Troy to Lewinsky is a Yankee whatever I don't trust. There's a restaurant Lauderdale. Do you not Lewinsky's the Yankee? Yes, you do that. Wow. To love. Tiger Woods missing that four-footer on purpose. Had he play. I promise you if he had the same exact putt to win the masters center. Cut rice Harper. Do it in the postseason Texas Tech Virginia twenty eighteen after the first half. Collision course, MAs Williams. Are you a basketball coach or pit boss one might say the big wins? But the Zog a- coach have been few and far between CBS promoted the CBS sports app by saying want, the sports talk without all the yelling and debate. No. Today's NBA the guy you want to coach for the next fifteen years is trae young congratulations to whoever go the hawks Auburn scrappy. Auburn toughest nails at thirty seven. Should we be taking a closer look at this? Roger Federer thing. Anyway. Doing. Speaking of things, we should also look into Santa Anita racetrack and fights dodger game seriously. What is going on at dodgers games? Seth Greenberg said Texas Tech. Has a tough outer shell. He also said Texas Tech and Michigan state would be a rock fight. Snore? Not bubble. Comedic perfection. Of you delivering brought fight. And it is they're going to. I'd rather watch that if you told me they were just going to go to the center of the court. Throwing rocks at each other. Greenberg called it a rock fight. March. Just the story line. Let's see anyone had a rock fight. It was a time when we only had rocks to fight with. David and Goliath story four weapons. Just the storyline CBS was hoping for. We'll Chris beard when that allusive and z AA title, Chris beard Lubbock in his rear view mirror. Collision course, coach K you play with fire. Eventually, you're gonna get burned. Luke, Walton said the Lakers convinced LeBron to shut it down. So LeBron convinced LeBron to shut it down eight tradition. Unlike any other the Mark view, Joe Karoo. Appropriate last name for the Zogg ahead coach when you consider the amount of big games. He's won CBS's worst nightmare. Texas Tech second on that list the looming contract negotiations with Tony Romo Jared. Harper might be five ten, but he plays like e six ten if you know what? I mean, you know, what I mean? Two one start are you on the van lagging two thousand nineteen at the age of thirty seven. How the hell is Roger Federer still the best debtors player in the world? Let's look into that. We should hell that reminds me or bras, Dan, those are the weekend observations. Guarany put it on the poll. For some who looks more like a pit boss in a sad, Las Vegas hotel, buzz Williams or berry Melrose because very Melrose has been are standing champion in this particular arena pit boss in a sad Vegas motel. But what I'm here to tell you Mel rose buzzes coming to get you buzz buzz, and you put him in a bad beige suit. And he is settling all traps. Right. Yes. Perfect kinda Squatty. It's gotta be a bad suit. Donlevatar people have told me before when I was younger that I looked like George Clooney serious when I was younger. Stugatz. You have a booger in your right nostril sodas Clooney? These are show with this two guys on ESPN radio. We'll get to comedy duos in a second. At lebatardshow on Twitter and Instagram if you wanna vote in any of our polls have at its gods. What did we talk about today? Let's review I will outlive ITAR Joe on Twitter. I'm sorry. Just computers moving slowly. And I was reading some stuff about around the horn. And I was looking at Tom Brady's top ten moments of Ultimo, Tom Brady retired. And then April fooled everybody s I actually believe. You fell. Today. It's like my did you hear the dogs chase down the balls at the US open? I'm like Where'd that come from? He's like their Twitter account. It has to be real on telling you, it's real. And now Billy has done some research Bill, you believe this to be real tennis is done this before. Now, I was just feeding them. Are you guys gonna help him on around the horn going to be feeding and feeding the baby bird on around the horn? He's not gonna be on around the horn. So not happening. That'd be great to have you in Chris ear fossil can when you're as that. If among eighty twenty. Yeah. My one. Eighty twenty eighty twenty and you'll never get twenty eight ten ten and you'll never get the ten index. Mill at lebatardshow on Twitter is to God's going to be on around the horn today. Or is it an April Fools joke? Eighty one percents of the plane a joke who if it's not a joke. It's five PM eastern on ESPN to set your recording devices calling them the Bravo's jackass or redeem -able jackass eighty percent of the audience said every democrat jackass, what do you remember more about Texas Tech? The Crabtree Texas game the Leach James incident leak or so fifty three percent of the audience said the Crabtree, Texas skin. That's I mean that's a win for sports. Again, they win the national championship next weekend. You could ask that same question on Monday. And it will still be the grab frigging. I'm telling you ESPN does not know how to tell the story of the red raiders we've arrived at the story. We don't know how to tell like we've gone to Bob Lee's office. We've gone to Rinaldi's office we've gone to Jeremy shops office, and none of them can tell the story. They're like. Nope. No. Thank you funny. You mention that does ESPN know how to tell the story of the red raiders ninety four percent of the audience said, no, we've met our match the the story that can't be told. They're gonna hold up the trophy. We're all gonna just be looking at each other is it ever over for Bobby between. Never. Don't know why that question delights me so much because the clearly no never over probably between eighty percent of the audience agrees side. It's never over for Bobby betrayed up. What are the other twenty percent vacant which press conference made Nick Sabin more uncomfortable announcing Steve Sarkissian or and lane? Give it sixty seven percent of the audience said lane kiffin is anyone doing reporting on shiong? Oh is there reporting? Is there anything being reported? Are we just going to take him at faith and family? Okay. Very good. What else we supposed to mean? What's what's at the end of this, really? Are we going to try to embarrass a man? I mean, it just it just feels like someone fleeing a situation. I mean, I literally fleeing employment, but it does when you just throw faith and family out there where left us from our what'd you do. It has vibes. Especially the way that the statement is crafted, no doubt. But it's weird. Like, I want documented I wanna see him in church. I wanted. I wanna see him around. Football. Okay. So wait a minute. You want you want to report you want to? How much time he spends his church stand outside his church. Just do you give it a whiff? The game warn Clete sneaker or shoe of Bryce Harper. Spikes, fifty six percent of the audience that yes did Jason Witten. Lied to us. Ninety four percent of the audience said, yes, shocking. Was that how shocked were you actually wasn't that shocking considering what it looked like? But I felt betrayed we trusted the man. Yeah. Have you ever been too drunk to understand your Vegas wedding? Nncholas cage was fifty nine percent of the audience said, no. Who looks more like a pit boss in a sad Vegas hotel. The stratosphere. Well, there goes that sponsorship. Dan, lebatardshow never be sponsored by the stratosphere in downtown Vegas. About sales took a blue towards. Show up at the front desk, and they just throw a whole bunch of bonus sadness. A free sadness. All the said this you could consume room. That sales. They're off my the room rate last weekend was twenty two ninety nine. Anyway, sixty nine percent of the audience of buzz Williams. They said very Melrose. Nice. Dollars.

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Starting 9 Episode #68 - Paxton Trade, Beltre Retires & Billy Corben

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Starting 9 Episode #68 - Paxton Trade, Beltre Retires & Billy Corben

"Welcome back to starting nine episodes, sixty eight. Thanks giving addition of sorry. I mean, maybe some of you listening to this as soon as drives maybe some of you listening to this on your thanksgiving travels. If you have chosen us to to listen to on your thanksgiving destination. Happy thanksgiving. Thank you so much for that Turkey is Dallas. Justin havens, the J kid. So by the way, Zillow preface this by saying the barstool office is so overpopulated that they have now kicked out all like the B shows to use their own means to record podcasts. So we are doing this over Google hangouts, which if you're familiar with how we doing section ten for the last four years now are doing this for starting nine until we get a brand new studio in which case will be going into that studio, but still douse will be remote because he realizes until he realizes that the east coast is the best coast Dallas. No, no, jer, even as I have firemen out my window here. Wait down flood, prevention swabs and digging trenches here just roughly hours after my entire backyard went up in flames. California's still the place to be still still good out here on the left side of the country. So I just figured you know, what this is mother nature and God handing the all of the seasons right at the very end of the year, making sure I get it all in. So thank you shelter, mother nature. And you're safe. Dow, by the way, because there are a lot of people that were concerned about you're the Dallas brain compound, you guys are safe. There's no damage at least to your house yet. No, no damage to the house lawyer said part of our hillside got towards fug went up in flames. But yeah, it's not like dude seriously eight feet from the back of the office that I'm sitting in right now talking to you folks on so it was pretty pretty fucking nerve wracking Iran guy give here. What's funny? My wife asked me or not my wife, but we were I just went up north to Stockton to handle some stuff with our property up there. And my buddy asked me he goes. All right. So now, I've I've got to ask because we all have a bet here. What my friends at home were betting on what I was going to be taking out of my house. Like, I my one buddy. I promise you he grabbed to fix and those were the only two. Things he fucking grabbed out of that. He gives shit and my other, no. This. And so it was like what did you grab Dallas? Did you grab home plate in said? Yep. And he said, let me guess one other thing, and I go you bet your ass. He goes that seventy fucking pals, and I go I fucking know it, but I may. And that's the fucking rubber. So yeah, you're right fan. I grabbed two things two things in this world that I granted brought with me when my house was going down in flames or up in flames, whichever, you know, if you're not sure could be but the plate and the rubber, and that's it even at even faced with imminent danger. Corrobos grab your dirty rubber and Joe. I mean that is the least surprising thing I've ever heard Dallas brands houses on fire. He's gonna grab home plate and the rubber from the perfect. What else would you up? Well, I mean, if you think about got, you know, I've got. Pretty cool shit laying around here that that you wouldn't want to just like this cross initially. I left like my guns. I like I had to go back and grab that was like oh fuck hold on. You can't just leave all of that. So, but as far as like anything that I needed as far as clothing or an extra anything, or oh, baby pictures or own fucking all of it left gone. I I would never forget to leave my guns. I'm not I'm not like being asshole here. But I've got a I've got a I've got a vintage classic sixty seven split window Twenty-one window, Volkswagen, microbus showstopper. This thing is a classic show. Classic card award-winning car fucking ran right by that motherfucker ya later Jesus. Well, I'm glad I'm glad that you're safe Dallas. I'm glad that your home is safe. The your your dogs are safe your family's safe and guns. Glad all that worked out. Sounds like an absolute nightmare to live in California. Anyways, we have an interview coming up player in the show. Billy Corbin is. He's here to talk about a a little film by the name of screwball that details Alex Rodriguez involvement in the by Genesis scandal. We had a pretty light how long did you say that that went? I forty minutes. Jay lee. Thirty six thirty seven minutes. Yeah. We got we got into that shit. This is stick around for that. But Dallas you wanted to you wanted to talk about these high school kids that you want me to face. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm not something Bruin. I want to introduce the world to the Argyll eagles. They are. The world's greatest flooding high school baseball team apparently. I don't know much about these guys, and I'm not gonna act like I do right now. Just for the sake of conversation. I'm gonna tell you what I know. I know that they've got ten d one commits on this single high school baseball team. D one commits that's more kids than have gone to a D one school in the entire existence of the fucking Saugus high school. All right. All right. There's four kids on this more kids on the field. Detroit been sought his seen entirety. So I posed this pose this scenario to you, very readily. And I. Ground. Screw I I want you to make your own judgment on this. And I know you will. But I'm gonna tell you this. And it's my job until you this Jerry was posed the rocket was posed with the possibility of facing in staring down, these young men, these young scholar athletes, and Jerry, I don't know if I'm doing Justice. If I say that you were apprehensive that you were tinted. Well, I'm said, no, I won't do that. Now, I won't I don't I don't think. It wasn't. It wasn't just a flat. No as I said. No, it makes no sense for me to like you can't just hop back into facing live pitching after not playing for like eight years. Like, I don't know if Dallas. If you. No. I don't think he did. I feel like if. Nope. I played the video me striking out that everyone was coming themselves over those charity baseball game in twenty sixteen where I faced a kid that got drafted by the dodgers. I fuck in actually battled them a little bit. I wasn't as as black and white as it looked. But I struck out and I was like, yeah. You you this this great game of baseball that we love so much. You can't just put it down for half a decade. And then pick it back up. It just doesn't work like that. So I'm gonna save myself a trip to Texas, and yeah, they would probably strike me out there. D one commits. Yeah. I think I'd be able to face a D one fucking fastball right now at the age of twenty nine after not playing an active every day league for. So next year talking ten years since the last time that I saw like live pitching consistently. Let's let's learn they strike me out Dallas. I'd rather. Because you're not facing. Let's be real. You're not facing d would arms. You're facing kids that have committed to be d- what arms? He's are still high school kids like these kids still have to go in when the streetlights come on. And you you like. I don't. Stories about being able to pick the game up after maybe not playing for a while. University of the Pacific located in my hometown of stock in California one Ed Sprague, local legend Shiro in Toronto for reasons you can look later. He has the orange. They had the orange and black series. Well, as a as a coach or someone who was helping coach the program at the time, I was very involved with their pitching Savon everything yada, yada, yada. So come red black series or excuse me towards of series. The alumni I don't get on getting av. Only on getting a navy. Why because I've spent all fall talking shit to these guys about how I could pick up a bat right now step in the box in cinder seed, right back up through the fucking box. Right, right. Back up. Oh, no. You got you. So one Marcus pointer, Marcus pointer, if you're out there doing Jill the world would happen when L D V stepped into the box. Fucking own eater middle melt. Missile Rum's right back up the middle bucket. Kepa some of us ten just picked the game up Jerry member Pete Rose. You know, the story about Pete Rose the minute he got out of jail. What did he do? Hey, boy, you know, where we're going stop right there at that fucking batting cage. Grab me a bat. Crank that some Big Joe. And let's see what we got in after time in the quake night interject for one second here. Charlie hustle steps. Right into that fucking batting cage and starts wailing. Baseball's. So yet, rob his me down, Charlotte. Can I can I interject here for one second? You you just compared to Pete Rose. No, no, no, no. You're saying that hey, Pete Rose can just pick it up then you can too. I guess. Light Pete Rose did it. But that's what separates me and Pete Rose from you. That's without shirt. Sure. Also, the fact that we're not talking about here is that I was a pitcher. I was not a hitter. I mean. I mean. Also have one commits that are going to be maybe maybe he'll face maybe like I would face. I would not face them in the bag box. Truth be told they were excited about facing you in the box. They were like goes pitchers like an odyssey. The pictures are like. Like he hasn't hit. You know like that would be a waste of time. Like, we will address that guy like that. I believe one kid was like no don't do that he'll have to shave going to witness protection. I was like fuck that's a little strong for a sixteen year old, but it was fucking even tripping. Gratis? He was German. Right to. I mean, he's a fucking d one commit and I've spent the last eight years of my life bent over a laptop. So I just think would be this is the kind of off season video content, this kind of in-season video content that people are after that people are looking for what else do we're talking about winter meetings. We're talking about that shit. Cool. I think we're all here to watch the guy who is way back into a youth league square off in a fully sanctioned hugely not joking. This is beautiful. It doesn't get any more on brand than this for the rocket. I then I have to start training that because I'm not going into that cold like I'll start fucking throwing and I'll start like actually doing legs for once. This to be a little we can do dude I'm telling you, I wanna do a little docu series where a little documentary on these dudes because I don't think I don't think you truly understand or appreciate what it means to do division. One baseball. Commits on your high school baseball team at one time at one time, this is defending state and national champions. It's a fucking joke to have ten d one two. That's ridiculous, dude. That's just put it ridiculous. So I wanna do these little dudes favorite in show them. Some love the puck little dudes everyone of fucking bigger than you crops. They they got the tex-. Up started here that I said, so then they must be monsters. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Swollen the goal size is the prize toront- us. Yeah. I mean these dudes bus look like the monsters of bigger than the rocket. For them. I'm excited excited for them. That's so look for that look for those videos because I'm talking with coach today. Yeah. We'll see. I I don't know. I haven't agreed to shit to be honest with you. It's a lose lose for me. I either going to go and get lit up or I'm going to like blow fastballs by them. And then everyone's like cool. You struck out a bunch of high school kids. It's really a lose lose situation. It's not really that. With. That was with the press. I did that with the president. I dangle him a little care. Oh, yeah. You wanna come out your face meals? I'd love to actually that'd be that'd be tastic. I have nothing left. And I know I'm going to completely address you embarrass you. Unfortunately that video hasn't seen the light of day because he got pants at the plate in fucking embarrassed. I did away with Portnoy family tree, it was so bad. Would you also face these kids Dallas? Oh, yeah. Purely just to step in their journey. I'll go out there and right handed. What you just fucking. Like you're going to go out there. And it's going to be like that Mr. baseball see in the very beginning. We're Tom Selleck gets buck and six strikes. Yeah. Those word just keep keep on its way to bats at it. It'll no, no, no, no. I'm not. I'm not facing them as a hitter. That's for damn sure. But. My praying the rocket out of retirement. So this was going to this is the idea I'll catch up catching catching I'm back there. Navigating through these treacherous waters. I mean, someone would call these, you know, the the bunny slopes of the. Of the batting batting prowess. That's I mean, I feel like that's a that's a video on its own right is rebuilding the rocket. If if we training this thought about all this. What's that? What's that? What's that place? Call where they're like obsessive loss. Dr line. Okay. Maybe. There early January. I'm there early James. No, it's it's in Washington of guy. All right, so yeah. Those dudes or they're throwing like one hundred eight miles an hour off of flat ground. So we'll go there, and I'll just be throwing like seventy five flat ground just to start. Noel, see how high we can get that city. You you. You're you're joking right now, I'm into all I'm not I'm not like I feel like if I put in the work like, I know I could definitely I mean from what I did you see the video of the dunk tank. Just fucking come on. I just made it up right here. This is what we do crevice we build you back up and we branded as rocket science building rocket. And we get you if game condition ready to square off against these boys from Origo redo that right? They're rebuilding the rock. This is rocket science rebuilding the rocket. That's what I do rocket ready to take flight, and we send you out the fucking we send you out to Texas, Texas, and we see exactly what our work has done. I mean, I know I still got something left in the tank. I watch I watched that video or the dunk tank, and it was just like the mechanics are flawless. And as my first the first time throwing off flat ground, but like a pitching motion and probably years, and then I break it down and slow motion this guy, this guy looks incredible. You think you think bullshitting you right now, Jerry, I will buy the fucking drive line program. For you to do. So I to come out here. Like, you gotta like I mean, if I'm gonna train for this can't just be like a week. This is like a several week program. No, you're absolutely right. But you gotta you gotta like this like Dave afford to fly you out to be at this point. He played me out to you know, what I'm saying that those little higher. So you're probably going to have. Yeah. Diva Dallas only flies first class. You know, don't come on to the flavor. Wow. Interesting. The got James Paxton. Naple to the Big Apple. Yeah. I don't know how you guys felt about this. It was more for me being like pretty good. I mean, you're not getting you're not getting in a I mean is better than Luis Severino. No. But yeah, I mean, it's it was necessary. I think when you look at the Ke's twenty eighteen season. I mean, a guy like Tanaka. His elbows been hanging on by a couple of paper clips and some string but has pitched through that. When they thought that he was supposed to get Tommy John surgery, just never actually happen. He's he's pitch through that. But you have Louis Severino. Who I don't know what the fuck happened to him in the second half of the season. But if you if I can't even use the word dependable with Paxton because he's he's not exactly dependable when you have an injury history like his, but he's a good starting pitcher. You got the lefty. I don't I'm not exactly crazy about left-handed pitchers in Yankee Stadium Tabatha has made it an art form. So when you have a situation where you have the Yankee. And I expected the anxious to do something like this last year where they kind of had that that not a fire sale, but they sold off some assets, they stockpiled the farm system. I thought that whatever pitcher that they were gonna go out and flip their their prospects for it would have been a name bigger than paxton's. But you're not getting a bad pitcher here. You're getting a pretty good pitcher, albeit a guy that. Where would you say Paxton is in terms of the top twenty pitcher in the league is the atop thirty pitcher in the league? He's definitely not a top ten pitcher in the league. I think those I think like talk ten top twenty top those are all call like kind of subjective to to Hal those were here two year. I think because you can have guys that performed lights out in digits full in their face, or you know, you can have I always go back to avert Lander who was pitching through those injuries that people really always just kind of forget about. And so was relaxer talk chin. No was he the next year. Yeah. Fucking arguably Cy Young winner. So packs is a budding frontline arm. That's how I would phrase that he is a budding frontline arm. He is showing you what the future holds. He is a he is a finished product a far more of finished product. Then the lefty just. Sheffield that Yankees part ways with which is which is why the Yankees would en- did what they did. They told you with this move. We need somebody who's ready now we need somebody who we see in the front of our rotation. Who's ready now we don't have the time or the convenience of waiting for Sheffield to develop at his own pace in three right now, we need we need an impact guy right now. And that's James Faxon. And I think a lot of teams are starting to identify guys. Like Paxton as guys that you can max out meeting James Paxton with your stuff we've seen you blow at ninety nine in the ninth inning. Right. So we have the ability to really maximize this stuff it a smaller body of work every five days. And we know how polished you are. That we feel like we can turn you into that frontline guide putting guys in successful positions and positions to succeed more likely than fail. That is what helps spur these kind of evolution in these guys. So when you've got Paxton whose constantly going out there giving you a six in low leverage situations because the offense is doing what they're doing. And it's just working out. You're not extending him than I think you really start to see Paxton roundout into a one to, you know, potential vote if I days you thirty years old. So it's not like he's got time on his side. If you will he's not getting any younger in regards to that. But. No that's fair. Jay, I think it's I think it's a really solid deal for the Yankees. Like, I get I get the concerns about paxon's availability. But like to me it hasn't been a devastating shoulder injury. It hasn't been in adding elbow injury or a serious elbow surgery. Like it's been a lot of laughs and a variety of injuries. That are maybe he's just constantly nicked up. But like I feel like we as a public for sure and probably still even major league baseball teams aren't good enough at predicting future injuries to like yes Paxton may not be available. But so might a completely healthy pitcher right now has been constantly available right up until the point where he's not a two hundred innings guy anymore. Right. So like if you can get a James Paxton who we know for almost for sure is a really high impact pitcher when he does pitch. Homerun or on a per inning basis. Then like. It can be a really solid acquisition because we're just not like, yes, he hasn't been available. But we're not really going to be his lack of Vail ability moving forward. Probably isn't that much different than a Dallas kaikal who has been in innings eater to this point. Unlike James Paxson, does everything you would want in a guy that you would start in a playoff game. He throws strikes. Mrs bats throws hard. That's why that's why. That's why that's why this treaty. Jay. That's why see this is. So the idea of being able to bottle lightning if you will or maximize these guys is potential. You're not looking at James Paxton to somebody that you want to pace himself through an outing. Now you've got a bullpen situation. That lens you're starting staff to just putting the pedal to the medal and like packs of two hundred eight punch outs in a hundred sixteen hundred any this year now so to your point about the swing and miss, and I know we were going to weed kicked around the idea of Corbin Kyko conversation. But I think the just what you touched on the swing and miss what you would look for out of a starter in a playoff scenario. That's how teams are starting to assess analyze these starters. That's where I think you're going to see teams differentiate you're either a frontline guy and have frontline. Tinsel and that will give you that starting label other than that. You're probably somebody who now is open to going down in that bullpen and being a swing guy at Paxton represent somebody. I think on that cusp right now of he's too good for us to just throw down there in the bullpen. And maybe, you know, see how it gives us some extended outings over the year. He's too good for that. I think he could be really good. If we give him five six innings to just fucking let loose, and let's get real about Justice Sheffield to like a nice prospect. But like players like that have always been chips for the Yankees. Like, it's always been that way. And he's not labor Torres. He's not Aaron judge. She's not that caliber player. So like, yes, maybe it's it's a name that they had to give up in. I don't think any the three of us know exactly how Justice Sheffield is going to turn out. But like to get a guy that can help win now in. It costs them, essentially, no money. So now, the Yankees can go out and still throw a ton of money at a Patrick Corbin or a kaikal whoever the hell they want. And all of a sudden like, yeah. I get Red Sox fans or Yang or Astros fans. Being all this doesn't scare us or whatever. That's fine. It doesn't have to scare you. But it can still be like a positive step forward. The Yankees in terms of filling out that rotation Katie sharp. Former colleague of mine tweeted this out yesterday pitchers with strikeout rate of thirty percent or better and a walk rate of seven percent or lower last year. Paxton Chris sale shirt server. Lander degrom Corbin. So what when he's out. Yeah. When he's out there throwing I mean as though said over five to six innings stretch, there aren't that many pitchers who have been more effective? No, do you think we've already seen his career high and innings pitched, which I think it was like one hundred sixty something last year was his career high as twenty nine season he's under team control for the. Next two years for New York. Does he a clips one hundred sixty innings with the eighties? I think he I think he can if he if he puts to get if he is if he is performing in those bursts in those five to six inning bursts. I've been see him. I see him gaining more ground or I see him gaining more leverage him getting a longer leash and them saying all right? You know, what I didn't lot of it honestly is predicated on how Severino performs because of Severino goes out there and can lead this staff that takes pressure on everybody else in that rotation. So of Severino is going out there and giving you seven inherently paxon's the guy who you just say. All right. Hey, can you follow that up with six strong? But Severino the one who's going out there scraping or five sweeping out six. Maybe now you look at Paxton and say, all right. We might need to get a little more out of you. Maybe you're the guy who could give us oh seven strong this year. And we kinda work around the other. Maybe that's the case. But I don't think that I just don't see baseball teams anymore. These days cultivating, the two hundred any workforce that got like I said the two hundred workhorse is now a Unicor. We've watched a workhorse evolve into a Unicor. That's fair. Yeah. I think I think what we're going to see from Paxton in New York is kind of more of the same that we saw this past season. I think the one hundred seventy five innings around there. I think that that's kind of your I want to say ceiling like I don't wanna box them in. It'd be like, yeah. No. There's no way you can go as artists twenty five. But I think this is kind of what he is. And that's okay. I mean, like he's not being acquired to be the of this staff. But I think what they have impacts than is a very very good number two behind Severino. Yep. It's a compliment is a well. Actually, they're not done because I think like Jay said, they they still have the money to go get Corbin. So if you're if you're going into twenty nineteen with Severino Corbin Paxton Tanaka, always back. He's gonna factor in there. Even there's some guys that they still have what's his name? What Jordan Montgomery or Montgomerie? Yeah. It'd be like he he was a non factor last year. But he's pretty good. When when he was healthy. So that they're going to be loaded in terms of. They're going to have guys who like say paxton's case if he's averaging five and a third innings per start. That's okay. Because they're going to have guys who can eat the rest of those innings that he's not getting sick seven innings per start. Some. Good move to good move Yankee fans. You got it. Good one. Good for you. Congrats to stepping stone. That's credit to me for giving you credit some. I don't want. Call it. Sad news. But it's kind of sad Adrian Belew trays hanging it up. I I didn't I didn't wanna see this. So when when Adrian bell tray with the Rangers came off the field down in Arlington and got the standing ovation from the crowd. I was like well. If if this is goodbye, it's kinda weird because I feel like he's still has something left in the tank. He's still has something to play for. But I also knew that in a free agent year that he would if he's gonna come back is going to be with the Rangers. It was going to be retirement or resign with the Rangers. I didn't feel like he was going to go anywhere else. Especially when they were talking about trading him. I felt like if if Adrian belt trae did get traded at the at the deadline this past July or even August and in a in a waiver deal that he would have found his way back to the Rangers in twenty nineteen. That's not the case he's hanging up. And I feel like it that used to be like a trendy topic about whether or not Adrian bell. Trae will be hall of Famer it's not even it's not even a debate. Adrian Veltri is a hall of Famer and he's a first ballot hall of Famer. So now that he's done let's run through some of these numbers here. He's played in two thousand nine hundred and thirty three games, and he has amassed three thousand one hundred sixty six hits and he has four hundred seventy seven home runs. That's the reason why I thought he was going to come back because three thousand hits five hundred home runs. I think only six players in major league history of done that. I figured he was gonna come back to try and chase five one. So with Adrian Veltri guys like Bill trae when they hit this point in time in their career. It's almost a decision maker like. Do I whether we're going to another organization and not performing the way that I would like to then expecting this hall of fame type caliber player Gabi. I can't physically give them that. I don't want to go in there and become this diva who's demanding all of these, you know, this attention these amenities just to get myself healthy, I'm not interested in a rebuild their takes a lot of getting comfortable when you switch organization. So while he has the respective everyone around the game and everybody would love to have them in their clubhouse him showing up and being impactful. That's a totally different vibe. That's a different two different thing altogether. So for bell trade, it's enjoy the body of work. Appreciate what the fans have given you in Texas, and he's moving on where do you think he ranks in the pantheon of greatest third basement of all time great. The top five. I think he is stop five. I really do. I stop funds. I think he I think he has. I would say the last five years of his career not that he had any standout seasons. We're talking obviously cumulative statistics he's put himself in the conversation for top five third baseman of all time. All right. So with that in mind, then let's put some actual. Let's put some names to this. Because the top five in my opinion is very difficult. Seve looked at this. I have looked at this. It was one. It was one of the things I looked at as it relates the beltway. So in my opinion, you have like six options for the top side. Mike Schmidt is clearly number one. I would hope. Yes. And then you have Eddie Mathews George Brett Robinson. Brooks Robinson, Adrian bell. Trae and Chipper Jones who obviously spent time at other positions, but was primarily third base with. Yeah. That's very that's actually that's actually it's hard to not take Larry over. Beltway. I mean, it's it's a defense question. Right. It's like how what what what infacy placing on defense at third base. Honestly out of all of those out of all those players. I think I'll take Chipper Jones as my fucking number one. They're basing do we say George Brett does that get president? I mean, Mike Schmitz, I think we moved Mike Schmidt as the clear number one. And then it's a case of everybody else. Hey, hey, he's he maybe he's not like clear number one. I'm going to save you from yourself. Instead it Mike Schmitz number one. He's very very cleared number one. Wasn't it? Yeah. I mean. We didn't mention this name because I feel like we've already I think we've had this discussion before we've called this person that crash shortstop. But Iran era that third base for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, the, obviously the rods great. I mean, I don't view him. I think strictly is third base conversation. I mean, how did he playing more years at third base than shorts dot I feel like that's got to be cooked. Yes on I think, it's I think. Deitch? Healing. The h what years if that? Suggestion sites are deflate up. And you can't move around. A rod played twelve hundred seventy two games at shortstop eleven hundred ninety four third base. It's it's basically right down the middle shortstop and third base. Like, if you're if you're gonna call the greatest shortstop of all time, then he should also be conversation. Grace third base of all time if he's played almost. Well, who's calling him the greatest shortstop of all time may? Oh, he read a cross by bowed. So he can't be the greatest short step of tide because the grey shorts. Have of all time has nothing but class only the classiest players could be Senator the greatest of all time, but he ran across by by. And I don't like that. That's by. God. I I will even justify that with a comment. You guys wanna hear some nuggets? Yeah. These third base Nogues. Yeah. They're they're bell trade type now. All right. So he had more five win seasons in his career than George. Brett. He had more three win seasons than any third baseman in history and his nine point six win two thousand four campaign as the fourth best individual season by third baseman in history here that he lost the pools. That's correct runner up. Yeah. That was that was right before he I believe right before he left that way for the Seattle for the manager steel idiots. I mean, imagine imagine how much better his numbers would be if he just never signed that five year deal with the Mariners. Loosely yo Adrian bell. Trae has according to baseball reference has seventeen seasons where he was worth at least three wins above replacement seventeen seasons. Yeah. That's fucking model of consistency. Chipper Jones, and I'm not hitting. This isn't like to denigrate anybody else Chipper Jones had eleven such seasons. Like, Mike Schmidt had thirteen such seasons. Like, there's Roach Robinson as the next closest at fourteen L trades thirteen and it's arbitrary for sure. But like three win seasons are no matter how you believe in war. There's value in a three win season and Adrian bell trae for like. Ninety percent of his career was a well above average player when he was on the field. It's crazy. So he is. So what you're saying that Adrian belts, raise the second best their basement of all time. I don't think I'm comfortable with that. Yeah. I don't think I'm comfortable with that. Because I think are you would you put them in your top five for. Yeah. I think so. But it's it's really close. And like for me Brooks Robinson isn't on that like, he's not top-five. I get the defensive prowess and stuff like that. But he is such a lesser player authencity than these other guys that like for me, that's an easy one to put easy quote, unquote, put seventh, but like after you get that like an Eddie Mathews like, okay. Yeah. None of us ever. Saw Eddie Mathews play like in some ways it's impossible for any of us to adequately. Appreciate he played in the fifties and sixties but going just off the statistical record like. To me. He's got the best cases the second best. And then it's a bog spread. Beltway Chipper conversation for the rest of the top five. It's it's it's fascinating man, depending putting a rod in the conversation. Because I think for like this Pacific conversation like it least plan math your career as a third baseman is like a decent starting point for the conversation. If you wanna say like a rod played a lot of third baseman in like, he is the greatest of these players and find that's that's fine. I just to me the greatest third baseman conversation is guys who are like primarily identified as their basement, it's arbitrary. But like that's how I was doing. That's how I suppose. But I mean, I just heard a rod in the conversation for greatest shortstop of all time so many times and he's played almost an equal amount of games at third base. So if he's in the conversation for greater shortstop of all time, you should also be in the conversation for grace their basement of all time. That's that's probably that's that makes sense logically as well. I guess I mean, I would always include a ride in the conversation of greatest players. Of my lifetime or greatest players of all time. So like, I'm not forgetting him. I guess I was you know, it's just it was such a position specific thing in like to me. Beltway is the is the greatest third baseman of his era. Yeah. No. He definitely is. So where fun personality. He has people forget that. He's funny. Awesome. Is awesome. Great guy, actually have the chance to meet him in two thousand ten and he was he was a great dude took always took a lot of time at the fans, and I feel like some day is his English is English is actually pretty good. Like, I don't know why we don't see more Ivorian bell trae interviews, but he does. Yeah. Like, he some of the stuff I would like to go back and put together like a like a highlight reel of all the funniest moments in Adrian Belle traits career. He was the gift that kept on giving. Adrian's ethics. Yeah. And I feel like that those five years in Seattle. We're just a black hole in his career. It's like didn't. They move the fences in after he left. Yes. Right after. Didn't fuck matters still took me deep in the upper tank there. Those those five years of him trying to just figure out baseball. We're spin causing my life to be miserable. He goes in as like, this might be obvious. He goes into the ranger, right? Yeah. Which is insane. But yeah. Oh, dallas. Adrian belch very a lifetime four thirty eight hitter against and twelve eighty three Opie S eight thirteen slogging. He went seven for sixteen. Three doubles Homer, infora bees. Though, punch them out twice. Would you hit a ball as far as he did that the gates Pudge outs? We'll see if we can find video Adrian Velde trae. Because. One more. Maybe there might have been the guys who. Who hit a ball right next to the spot that Bill tree treated that one? Pretty fun. This up. Our I'm trying to find I wanna see how far this thing. What? Oh, man. That's too bad Dallas, they know. It's it's always good. When it's always a win for the pod. Dallas has good numbers against a hall of Famer not the case not the case Adrian bell trae. Now, he pretty good. Tommy, john. Guys. The holidays are fast approaching and things are about to get uncomfortable. When you're reading her family for the first time or trying to survivor dad for the hundredth now is not the time for nutcrackers or wedgies. Thankfully, there's Tommy John. The revolutionary clothing company that's redefining comfort for men and women. Tommy, John has the most comfortable underwear on the planet. Keeping you unique nestled all in one place. They're the perfect gift especially for guys who constantly adjust loss. 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Let's run through here. Let's run through here. Mookie Betts went in the American League MVP. We all had that. Yep. We all had that just Mark. Yeah. No brainer. Blake Snell winning the American League Cy Young award. We all had him. No brainer. I will say. I do think it was interesting. How close the voting was for snow in Burland early. This. There were not many close votes when it when it came down to it which in and of itself was kinda surprising some of these. But like this was like one hundred sixty nine voting points to one hundred and fifty four seventeen first place thirteen. I don't have any insight beyond that. But that was but they got it. Right. Oh, yeah. I think so I mean, clearly, we all we all voted for snow. I think that was the right call, but. I saw I saw an article or or somebody. Put forth the idea that like there might not be a worse luck. Like sei-yung runner-up historically than than just in Burland. Who has now let's see finished third in two thousand nine infinitives. Young award basically second in two thousand twelve second two thousand sixteen and then second this year. I think they would be Cy youngs. Right. What's that on the on the award show? I think they said that that was the most history most runner ups wild man mean it's not going to change his legacy. Ultimately, I don't think 'cause we'll look past that kind of stuff. But you know, I think I think people would maybe just invert. I mean. Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm contradicting myself that maybe just invert Lander four time Cy Young winner would be viewed in a different pantheon, historically, and then ver- Lander one time Cy Young Howdy. Or? Dear four. Yeah. And I mean, just because that's that's two second place blind Roger Clements. Yeah. Seven they. Nobody Colfax Colfax had three. I mean, if you look at his numbers, he should have had all of them. You just think he'll take it to the house about ten years early. Yeah. That is also true. Didn't he retired after what is age thirty one season age? Thirty anyone watch the speech last night. Yeah. He went twenty seven and nine with a one seven three and three hundred twenty three innings won the Cy Young. And that was that was a how about this back to back years twenty seven complete games. That's pretty good. It's fucking ridiculous. Yeah. They have something to do with why he was dead at age thirty. I baseball goes on these people being like what back in my day. We didn't care about pitch count. Well, yeah. That's that's why guys retired after thirty seasons. That's why they were back on the family farm at age twenty three. So yeah, I think Blake Snell winning. It was the right call but Justin Verlander, and I do think that there is a little bit of a. I think when we when we look at guys careers now, we're looking at different numbers. But there is something to say about a guy that has, you know, three plus ion awards in the trophy case where ver- Lander could easily be in the territory where he's got four. Right. I think it just it takes conversation from what about him being in the hall of fame to where do you rank him in all time. Yeah. That's fair. The American League manager of the year award. They they didn't get the results on that. One. Eric in league rookie of the year. Melvin Bloomingdale go get your fucking hardware. Corrobos? That I take him awards. Cares about the take on the award. Awards and in a couple of takes on this ward. Not one thong known when you look at the MVP award. I one hundred percent agree that for the MVP award that should just be confined to the regular season. Open-field? Everyone is eligible I mean, not saying that, you know, everyone should be eligible for the manager of the year ward. However. A manager in the ability to manage a baseball team. And in game decisions are never more important than they are in the month of October. So when you're talking about MVP just regular season just look at that. But for manager of the year, you should absolutely be able to look at the postseason for that award. And if you did Alex Cora would have been a unanimous decision for manager of the year unanimous decision. They would've looked at Bob Melvin and been like. You're kidding me with that wildcard game really can't vote for that guy. The only reason why Bob Melvin one is because the voters have taken the manager of the year award and turned it into manager of the team that we least expected to make the postseason awards. That's what it is. Now it has nothing to do with managing baseball team. It is. Hey, congratulations to the manager that we of the team that we least expect it to make the postseason out of the other candidates Dallas. Actually, no, hold on j. I mean, I, you know, say what you want about what the award reflects. I I mean, I picked the guy who won. So. But hold on. Do you? Do you have any counter to anything that? I just said, no, I think the narrative thing the narrative thing is listen. Yes. Of course, like this has been the case in in major award voting since the beginning of time where like the same people who set the narrative are them judging the results of the narrative at the end leg, I get it. I get out work. So the expectations for the athletes were depressed. They won ninety seven games not a single person who evaluates the sport for a media entity. Saw that coming. So Bob elven is the winner. I get I get the math baby. I get get the equation. Yeah. Dea that the manager of the year award. You should be able to look at the postseason like I don't get as any Gifford. I don't see that proposition being any different for the manager of the year award than it would be really any other player like any other award because you're saying that managing is at its most important in October, which is undoubtedly true. The wireline your player performance would also be at its most important in October as well. So like if you wanted to reflect the guy who had the greatest impact on like the overall scheme of the two thousand eighteen season than you would include the playoffs for that as well. Like, I don't I I like about for split all answer like this awards. I like valuating everybody on the same plane. Everybody gets the same sample. It's one hundred sixty two games, and those are the awards, and you know, what if you win the World Series that's even fucking better, and it's cooler than any individual awards. So like, you just get that. And these things are separate. Yeah. I find it interesting that we're handing out in a word for performance for basically among out of the season corrobos because that's really what you're doing. No. It's nice. Factoring in the Aussies. The post yet do October you need to factor in the first six months of the season. You don't just right to the postseason. So if you're going in October that means that you're also actually came you wanna take two decisions made in all of October and vault those over everything Kevin cash and Bob Melvin did over the season that. This is I want to value everything on the whole. Well, let's do that and up until the point where Bob Melvin teen and Kevin gashes team didn't get to play anymore. They were all on the same level playing field in terms of decision making or button pushing if you will the separating factor for you and your head was at Alex cores team was still playing baseball, and he was still managing baseball games. Deep into and ultimately the final baseball game of the season. And what went on in those series for you, definitely justifies solidifies your argument for Alex Cora in your mind as manager of the year. But the reasons bias is overwhelming your perspective instead of Jimmy, you perspective. Which is you know, what? That's right. The World Series is one by the players and for a team like the Oakland A's too. Be were they were at the end of the season. Sure, it's going to take the players producing. But when you look at who the fuck and players were how many of them it of it required and putting them in certain positions. What it took to get them there? And manipulating all of those roster. Moves there's a guy involved in that. And that's Bob mill that's the manager of the baseball team. And here's here's the real years. What it really boils down to write forty million dollars. No hold on. Hold on it. God were arguing the cement or maybe not arguing we're debating the semantics of the award and the structural procedures for this award because in reality. Both of these guys are like historically, excellent candidates for the award and either person winning would have been like you can't you cannot manufacture outrage about Bob Melvin or Alex core winning this award period. You just can't. This. Let's put it like this jerk. All right. I give you the first laptop ever invented ever brought to market. I give you that laptop. All right. I get the world's fastest laptop internet all the capability wordprocessor automatic fucking will like spell check all the shit. Right. And we have to write and at the end of it, all you get the Pulitzer. But I was kinda right there. It's like, you know, what do we have any fucking clue would corrobos had to do to hit deadline. Do we have any idea what he was actually dealing with as opposed to me having the luxury of the fastest internet. The luxury of the fastest processor, the luxury of all of these awesome bills whistles. Oh, we'll Dallas won the Pulitzer. Will fuck you should add look at what you had at your disposal. So it's not that great. But what corrobos did drums, actually, so? Yeah. Cross you actually win the Pulitzer. Look at what you had to fucking deal with well, Bob Melvin Millan. Bob is your Pulitzer prize winter crops? He was the one dealing with the fuck votes. First laptop. You know, it was the fakest bullshit of award season. What the anti that? Yes. The anti-gang keys conspiracy theories a man. Yeah. They they thought that the Japanese government intervened in in fudge the voting totals they thought this was all one big marketing ploy by the league to get tiny. I mean think about like how many how do you rookies of the year? Can you actually like remember off the top of your head? Like, you don't like I remember the year that Harper trope both want it like that was pretty cool. Like the dodgers won five straight at one point. Yeah. Like, none of those guys were in the league ten years later. Yeah. Like, I remember like Andrew Bailey won rookie of the year. And he was doing the commercials but Nelson Cruz, and then he just flamed out like rookie of the year award is so insignificant in the pantheon of. MLB awards sees in got don't give a fuck about rookie of the year. I think her oh beat Mark Tisch era for. Yeah. Like, it's just so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. So Yankee fans come on like the once proud fan base that used to count their championships are now losing their minds over the rookie of the year award. When he's I know I'm only seeing the loudest in wine of the bunch, and that's how social media works. So I get it's not reflective of a hundred percent of fan base. But like. It was it was so embarrassing to watch the reaction to it. Like they were talking about. How Gary Sanchez had deserved it over Michael Fulmer citing that as the exact same situation when in actuality it wasn't the same situation at all. They were bringing up how Decky Matsui should've won yada yada, yada. And it's like how much thirty two that year how much attention there's one team with a billion championships. And the most recognizable brand in the sport need like how much attention is enough. All all of the attention all of the ten Andrew Har, I hate to tell you, I know one of the three of us picked them, and I did. And I know when we were debating that it was conceded that it was pretty close like at the end of the day, and who are was not ripped off of anything. He was the inferior candidate like yes quantity was a thing when it comes to this. But his defense. Was also atrocious. And like, I saw hubs bless your heart. Man, I like walking around calling him the MVP and the offense of MVP, and like the most important gangqi and saying it was a track like a travesty tiny one. Like what what are we talking about? Like, he's Gill Southie. That the Tani didn't even take a meeting with the Yankees. It's like this to me. I appreciate how lopsided the voting was to like it. It was. Because it's not because because people you know, what it is. It's thank God, you people who've understood how fucking hard this game is to play. You're just dismissing the idea of what Tony is doing you. You can't big leaguers will not let you dismiss it. You can like you can sit there. Oh, yeah. But yet, but what you have never had a fucking player on your team effort that you've been like, yeah. Give him the ball when the chips are down. And we'd also like him batting fourth. You've never had a fucking guy. Like that in the game of baseball in the history of you sort of bitches liking this game. You've never had what player you could go to like that not one not one not one. Not even. Oh, I don't I don't we gave you the only guy. That you like well didn't he threw fucking ninety? And now he's hitting what never at the same time. Never at the same time. Were you expecting four hundred eight Bs and a potential twenty game winning season out of regain Otani as shit's real. And this like Gary Sanchez comparison like the year he lost the former like Gary Sanchez in that season had two hundred twenty nine plate appearances. Yes. Shohei Ohtani head one hundred one hundred and forty more plate appearances. And then also through fifty one innings. It's. It was desperate. And I'm glad Otani won. Because like you talk about. I think a lot of the talk about major league baseball failing to market. It stars is like it's just people repeating the same thing that they've heard from somebody else over and over again without necessarily understanding the complexity of the issues or why it's different than other sports. But if this was a like, this was the right result. Not only for what happened on the field. But also for like like Shohei Ohtani needs to be out there. He needs to be getting recognition. It's good for everything related to baseball here and abroad. And it's I'm just glad the right decision was made. And let me just put it in a little different light. Put it in some little different perspective before move on take your favorite reliever. Take your team's favorite reliever. Your best with Jared would've told you Josh ater could hit you thirty bumps. That'd be pretty cool. That's all to which Shohei Otani. The high leverage output, not what it was for mater, obviously. But just think about having that guy also be able to do that for you as well pick whichever side you want he can do that on the other side to pretty fucking cool. Speaking of my Milwaukee Brewers Christian yelich is your nationally game VP for twenty eighteen no surprise there. We all picked. Yeli one takeaway. And then we can keep it moving. I do like to note that the only other first place vote that yellow did not get went to Jacob degrom as it should of. We talked about how he should have been on the ballot or I'm sorry among the finalists, and he ended up finishing in fifth place. Also behind FREDDY Freeman but he got the only other first place vote yelich, Scott all twenty nine others, which I thought was worth noting. Then that one guy. For sei-yung to Graham wins the National League Cy Young. There was one guy that what had him third yet? I believe that's correct sure's got a first place vote. Yep. Yeah. There. There's one guy that had to Graham third with Nola. I believe in second on the ballot. And I don't know what show was but I heard the audio. We played it on seed Kei on serious with Kevin Clancy and Casey Smith, and he had the voter call it and to defend having Jacob degrom third on his ballot. And he was kind of not not like in a malicious way, but he was questioned about it in a tone was like your fucking idiot ended up just hanging up without offering any explanation. So I still haven't heard this guy's actual explanation for having grown third. I know there was like a lot of like internet outrage, so to speak that degrom did wasn't unanimous in it. Somebody had voted didn't vote him. I and like I get it. It's annoying. Like, I think this should be more held up as like yet. Like people can talk about analytics and sabermetrics in whatever derogatory turn turn they want. This result. Does not come about without the last twenty years of that type of thinking taking over and being absorbed in major league baseball like a guy with ten wins. And this is the right decision. They guy with ten wins doesn't win without people pushing that kind of thought throughout major league baseball. And I think that's the one guy whatever that's fine. Who cares? Whether he was unanimous or got twenty nine out of thirty like he won with ten wins Felix. Did it how many ever years ago that was? And this is a reaffirmation, I think that the right statistics. And the right metrics are being used to evaluate these guys in a ward season. People make those kinds of moves for me. I just look at it and go do you realize like the hit that your integrity takes? Yep. Like, you're not gaining anything by taking like like for me. You know, what we had the World Series going on call dodgers at five and Kershaw, the VPN, I think we all sits the tongue in cheek there. But, but I also did believe that the dodgers were going to be able to give a little bit better fight than they fucking put up. But I'm doing that. For a reason there's content there to be extrapolated here. Like, you just don't like I couldn't I couldn't have a serious baseball conversation with somebody who I respected in the game. And not have Jacob degrom as my sei-yung winter. And I don't know that even interested in listening to somebody who might respect explained to me why he's not the Cy Young award winner. Because I know that you are searching for that explanation. I know you have to do your level best to find what it is. You're telling me about Jacob degrom like because there just isn't anything that says now he should win it there's nothing and now here you are. Our voting somebody else to people actually ahead of him. What? I had I had this thought earlier if if Jacob degrom had this type of season in say, I don't know two thousand and one he probably doesn't win the Cy Young award because of the wind total. Oh, I don't think. It's I don't think it's probably definitely doesn't win. Definitely does not win. Go check out Tolo, colognes, sei-yung four or more. Yeah. The one one over Johan Santana when he basically one on the strength of his win total like that was more recent than the hypothetical you're suggesting in the the difference in win totals was even less extreme like there's no degrom finishes fourth or fifth. It's his photos in two thousand one that's insane. But I mean, we come along. Good. Surely numbers. The manager of the year in the National League Dallas. This is your moment. You're the only one that correctly picked snicker winning the award the Atlanta Braves. I don't agree with this. Like there's like when I picked and Har I was the only one the picked and hard for rookie of the year. I can see the argument for Otani like snickered I like not a lot of people picked the Atlanta Braves to win the analyze this year. But how can you just like discount? What council did like having big no one wouldn't pick the knowing pick the brewers to win the central and no one pick. The Bruce have the best record in the National League. These awards though, Jerry are more about the the managerial award is more about what this individual is dealing with. And how they have to navigate as opposed to what the final product actually is. So if you were to take the. Expectations of the Milwaukee Brewers and take the expectations of the Atlanta Braves. You could put them in the same boat, right and say that nobody expected what we got out of these clubs this year. But now you move one step farther, and which team would be more aligned to have the type of season that they had. And I think based on the roster construction and based on the resources one would say, the Milwaukee Brewers were probably be more poised to have the type of season that they did. So did you go to the Atlanta Braves and you start to evaluate their scenario? What does your storybook actually, look like, well, you've got a lot of young guys here. This did with some question. Mark veterans. Let's see how this plays out. We're actually going to shift all lot of how we do things in the middle of the year. We're bring somebody in and they're going to be tasked. With sort of putting their fingerprints on this clubhouse right now gaining the respect of the clubhouse showing the young kids that you are the man for them for the foreseeable future. In showing the veterans that hey, I can't step into this role. It'd be a guy who goes to bat for you someone who's been here done this even with me learning on the fly. And then you have to get down to the Xs and os of it as well managing the young talent that they have because you're not managing a roster full of twenty eight to thirty three year old veterans. You've got some young dudes in Ozzy in our boy Ronald you've got some young cats that need tutelage so snigger being the fuck and forty year. Organizational guy comes up has dealt with all of the shit that I just talked about the young guy showing up early. The veteran presence. As well. And he leads the charge to take over the NFL east. So for me, it a division that they didn't see the taking over at all. He shows up the show up early takes over. I think that's again, the romance behind it. Then I have no problem with snicker winning. But I but to your point about the expectations. I also don't think that anybody expected the brewers to win the Al central over the cubs and have the best record in the league your points. Valid about the brewers were in a better position to make a run at it in two thousand eighteen they they went for it last offseason by acquiring yelich in signing Cain and getting shot scene there. There's there's reason to believe. Yes. The brewers were in a much better position. But if you're looking at expectations, they also exceeded expectations big time, and they were more. In the end. So I don't know. I think that there's a case to be made for both. I don't think that there's an award that got handed out where I'm like, this is a great injustice guys. I didn't feel that strongly about the picks that I made not being correct on those and like how could you not see it my way? Like, no, I can see it from both sides, especially in this one. Ronald the kunia junior wins the National League rookie of the year award Dallas. And I both pick. Soto Jay picked a kunia. I think years here's the thing. Like if you were if you were picking the rookie of the year strictly off of like who had the better statistical season Soto had the better statistical season, he just checked more boxes. But if you're kind of looking at rookie of the year the same way that you look at MVP where it's like all right best the typical season. And then if it's too close than as like a sort of like a tiebreaker you're looking at overall impact on your team. Then there's no denying that kunia would technically have the better year than Soto because it was very very very very close between these two guys in terms of statistical seasons I gave auto and ever. So slight nod over a Koonya, but it's it's almost impossible to debate who made the greater impact on their team because the second that kunia. Moved to the leadoff spot. The brave took off they won the division. And they and they go to the postseason. So if that's the tiebreaker that you want to use then. Yes, you made the right call with a kunia. But I think if you're just looking Satistics seasons who had the better statistical season. It was Soto. So I that's not one that I'm going to get worked up over. It was so close either. Obviously we both made we have made that same call. We both be that same pick. And I think. This is where we start to get into a combination of evaluating the player as a whole as a product and as a potential product their future and their season. So that's what I am guilty of it. I know it is taking the numbers, and then the potential projection in combining those and giving them an award. So Acuna the better defender, right? Yes, significantly. Well, I think there are both below average defenders. But there was what we talked about. How kunia to go and place in her field? Yes. Oto that. So goes things, right. There are well what is his ability to place field have to do with what kind of year he had. And that's where I'm saying. That's what I'm guilty of admitting that I I I can understand where you put stock in his ability to play the position. Shen? But it was it was just so close to call it. I mean, the homers just everything was fucking neck and neck. I do think that the move to the leadoff spot bid a huge deal mid a huge that. Because now you're talking about a team. Who was I don't know if they're cusp or borderline if you will. But now you take a young kid and you put him at one of the most pivotal positions in a major league lineup. And that's where the team takes off. That's where he takes off. Holy shit. That's something to pay attention to. Jay. No. I mean, that's the two guys. Got it wrong really broke it down perfectly for us. I think. Boy. Okay. Hall of fame. Ballot is out. We have some slam dunk candidates. We have some on the fence candidates. Mariano Rivera, obviously, a first ballot hall of Famer ROY halladay is on the ballot. Todd Helton is on the ballot in Andy Pettitte is on the ballot for the first time. And I think obviously Rivera slam dunk, but then Halliday Helton pet it. These are guys that I think will. I guess create some interesting discussions because. You're going to have the the cores field conversation until the end of time about elite players that spend most of if not their entire careers in Colorado, Andy Pettitte. I don't know. I feel like we're going to keep hearing the hall of very good in regards to pet. The P combo to. Yup. Admitted PD user used HGH to he'll go just want to get back on that field. That's all just a little just a little healing method. But I feel like in regards the pet we're going to keep hearing the hall of very good. And then holiday that's gonna be. He's getting in. Oh, yeah. I he's getting in. But is he a first ballot hall of Famer is he a guy that gets in right away? If you're asking are we going to draw distinction between him in like the inner circle guys who have actually gotten in on the first ballot a storage. Like, okay. Maybe he's he's not Greg Maddux. He's not Randy Johnson. But then if we're just asking is he in fact, going to get in this year on his first try, I think he is. I think he's going and again romance allow the game in the romance surrounding it to play out. This is what allows you to fall in love with stories. Like this not only was the guys production on the field on Nuff to garner the hall of fame nod. But when you think about the story behind how he became doc right down to his last chip on the way out of the saloon, and they're like, you know, what take kicking down to down to able ever self a couple south for vigorous shit out give back up here in this. Midway club out be the ROY halladay. You can be. All right. I will. And I did. And I came back and dominated does that work was good for you. So what do you think about the road traveled to become doc Holliday to become ROY fucking holiday? Yeah. The romance is there, especially the? The death. Like, I really don't even like talking about a man because it's shitty. I know a lot of people have their opinions on what you do after the game. You have a family to think about this the other. This is this is a this is a dude who lived his life the way it wanted to. But on the baseball field. There's just no debating how fucking good he was. And what it takes to go down able and figure yourself out and come up and be a hall of fame talent. Yeah. Past. Yeah. So I think yeah. Holiday gets in. I think there's still going to be discussion. But whether he gets it on the first Bill, maybe maybe there is that that chance where it gets on the first ballot. I don't think that anyone would certainly complain you'd be an asshole to complain if he's going to get eventually might as well put them in on the first try, but I think that. No. I'm just gonna say like, you know, we can move on after this. But in terms of ROY out like Andy Pettitte hall, very good. Like, I think they're going to be some people who look at the counting sats that petted in Halliday put up and be like, all these are these are comparable cases. It's not. That's not the case at all. Like ROY halladay peak was as was as good as really anybody. But the the absolute very best that we've seen in the sport. Like he had say what you want. Like, there's no reason wins above replacement would particularly favor ROY halladay over anybody else. He had eight years three eight win seasons. Like that's pretty rare air the only people like Greg Maddox had three such seasons. Justin, Verlander, only has to schilling. Only head to sure only has one like Clemens had four Pedro had four like the idea that that ROY halladay like there's no question that ROY halladay. It is peak is a is in no doubt hall of fame pitcher and. I think when you factor that in with like, what was legitimate longevity? I think he's I think he's gonna get him. Don't you know, he'll get in? He'll get in. But we'll see we'll see if it's the first ballot or not. But I have a question for you. Dallas. Ashby right now. Are you tired of your vape, always dying? You you don't know the half of it. Are you tired of losing your extra pods? I've had it up to here of had enough to ear Jared. That's why you need kite. A new portable vape charger and pod case that's compatible with jewel. Gives your vape up to three full charges. It also holds up to three additional pods. Whether you're getting ready for an all day, tailgate grit Cardi tight, we'll make sure that you're always charged up. Protect your vape. Hold onto assessories in store. Extra charges with a single case and kites slim profile means fits right into your pocket. Get yours today. Act kite, charger dot com and get five percent off for a limited time and use promo code starting nine for free. Shipping products are not associated nor sponsored by jewel labs Inc. But they are however endorsed by the vape God, Tommy smokes. They gone. On that note. Let's get into that interview that we were talking about earlier with Billy Corbin who is here to talk to us about screwball little documentary about Dallas longtime friend this rocks. Rodriguez. All right. I'm here with Billy Corgan on behalf of screwball. And this is a film that got put on my radar. I was just talking to you before you went on the air here during the World Series. We have a mutual friend should told me about the film it immediately piqued my interest. Because jaylo is that our mutual lo amateur friend actually did me her at Fenway one time, did you? Yeah. Very pleasant. Very friendly. Surprisingly for someone that's very famous, by the way, rod eight rods been in here, and he was friendly too. So we we need to talk about a number of different very friendly. Absolutely. Yeah. He has to be friendly. What wait? What does he have to be because everybody hated him? It's a good point. Yes. Good point. And I I don't want to say that I fear. But I have a feeling that people might start hate him. Again. After seeing this is that is that an accurate, I think that's probably true. But I, but it's only it's only because of everything he said and did so I mean, we don't make him look bad. I think he made himself looked pretty bad. And I think he would agree. Meaning I think he's now got enough hindsight in and maybe a sense of humor, which he was not initially renowned for sure that he'd be able to acknowledge that that he acted like a child. Yeah. Then acted a fool in. And so the the movie treats it very accurately, I should say because the the the dramatic scenes are played out through children. Yeah. Well, we had a unique problems. We did this documentary, for example, the u for ESPN thirty thank you. And so you make sports doc. And you interview players you interview coaches, they talk about a bunch of games that they played in. And you use a bunch of game footage, and those sort of the ingredients in the stew. And then you put it all together. But with this everything that went down was in a hotel room in a nightclub at their at some shady steroid clinic with a fake doctor at yet literally live nightclub fountain. Blue in Miami Beach, one of the scenes takes place in sports bars. So there's no footage of that. You can't cut. In fact, they only mention I think in the whole movie they refer to three different baseball games. And so we show very quick passing clip. So what do you do you got a bunch of talking heads? Some great interviews, but what are your show? So we knew we were gonna re-creations which is a pretty standard trope of documentary filmmaking that I don't really like I don't like to watch them. I don't like to make them if I can avoid it here this was unavoidable. So are back against the wall. I realize that our interview subjects were very colorful. And they spoken dialogue. Like, I said up the. But then he said that and I'm like, oh, this is cool. We could do it drunk history style, you know, where you have your actors lip sync the actual dialogue from. In the interview subjects and the actors just happened to be eight years old in the end scruple, which is almost a metaphor. Because like you said, hey, rod at this point in time of his life acted like a child in there there you have these scenes being everybody chasing everybody get Rodman for did. But ceiling did many Ramirez did Tony Bosch. Did this whole cast of characters? Did they all acted like like kids? And so it just made sense that they would be depicted by children, and we do it into any very we'll say straight face because it's obviously absurdist, but they have facial hair. They're in there on they take the field in their in their you know, Yankees pinstripes. They've got there. There's a kid in a lab coat and stethoscope kids dressed up like cops. We just we and everything shot on location. In fact, some of the episodes some of the scenes take place in the actual locations in real life where the ship went down like like live nightclub like Ritz Carlton Key Biscayne the beautiful Tiki bar out back. We the sports bar and grill, which kind of became. Like, the almost like the parking structure in all the president's men like where the the the whistle blower who stole the documents from the biogenesis clinic would meet with reporter, Tim L Frank from Miami New times at put the whole story together and blew it up like Watergate, and the ridiculous thing about it is or the additionally ridiculous thing about it is that the highest paid baseball player of all time his career ended over a four thousand dollar loan between a coke addicted fake, doctor and his Tanna Rex steroid patient and Alex Rodriguez was collateral damage in that transaction, so the entire film of the main focus is the biogenesis scandal. But how far do you actually go back because Jose Canseco was the first guy to sort of blow the lid off the steroid Miami guy. No less. Yes. There's always a Miami connection connects so Jose was the initial whistle blower, and then one of his books. He says. That he he assumes that Iran was using steroids performance enhancing drugs as early as high school. So when you're interviewing these guys how far do their tails, actually, go back to paint, the whole picture of what type of guy we're dealing with? There's been a lot of rumors like that. You certainly hurt hear them. You know, I'm from Miami. I live in Miami. So you hear a lot of that kind of stuff about a rod in high school. We stuck with the facts, there's no rumors in this everything in this documentary is far as we were able to to research actually happened. You can't verify every single syllable of dialogue. But most of it was all testified to under oath in some way or another. So everything that happened in this that you see in the documentary, really happen. Yeah. You hear those rumors all the time. We certainly know that that Alex tested positive. You know, the news broken in February of nine that he had tested positive back in like the old one zero three period anonymous test exactly tests that were supposed to be destroyed. But then we're preserving the belco the wake of the Balakot scandal. And so and that of course, Patillo straighted published some of the quote anonymous test results and one of the great moments. They're actually it's a clip that's in the documentary from February nine Alex is having a press conference. You know may culpa mea culpa, and he's like don't judge me for what I did in the past judge me from this day forward. Yeah. And a year later he was meeting, but Tony Bosch. It a boutique hotel room in Tampa going. I'll I'll have what Manny was having. Manny with the dodgers when he got he went from the Red Sox the dodgers into eight and then just set the world on fire that year. And then he he tested positive for a women's for Tila drug because even as you do is just trying to get pregnant. All of us guys can relate to that. But with a-rod it's almost like the guys associated path because he was doing interviews saying that he never took steroids. And then he was saying that's the old me like he was sort of a copping to it. But then saying, oh, that's not what I'm about anymore. I've never lied about. This all like you said while he's sort of pursuing a career in baseball where he's continuing to do this because he originally tried to justify it by saying the pressure of that that contract that he signed with the Texas Rangers. I was just trying to live up to the contract. I felt the pressure of trying to live up to the two hundred and seventy five million dollars that I was being paid. But I only use steroids in Texas. Meanwhile, he's taking the Gumy's he's having all these sketchy meetings. So I mean, if a rod were to see this film is there anything in it that he's going to look at and see like that's something that wasn't out there before or is it just kind of is this is this taking everything that's. Out there in putting it together in a time line and depicting. It think the answer's yes, you're either or question. A lot of the stuff has been previously reported some of it has not but we needed to ensure that it was verifiable. There is a ridiculous seen that. I that takes place live nightclub in Miami Beach and. So twenty Bausch the fake doctor. He hates being called that. I'm not doing that on purpose. Tony sorry. Not sorry. But he would take periodically take blood from his patients or clients as he called them, and he would test it. I'm not exactly sure why he would want to update his protocol. He'd want to make sure that they were clean that. Then that his his microdosing system was working. So they could get around the testing procedures. And so he was meeting up with Alex who had a bunch of VIP private tables at live nightclub. And he that was the moment. Apparently, he needed to take blood from Alex at night, go into the bathroom it live. They literally sit in one of the toilet stalls. He draws blood from Alex into a vial they go out into the club. They're partying the night away. Tony talks about his five thousand dollar month cocaine habit. So I imagine it was quite a quite a party and twenty reaches into his pocket and. Realizes that the vial of blood is gone. He's lost a Rod's vial of blood that he true from him. And the next thing, you know, all these guys are on the floor of the nightclub. It is pitch black place the lights flashing feeling the flu for I don't know if you ever want to touch the floor of a nightclub there on the floor on all fours trying to find this vial of blood, which I assume the women were kicking around the dance of this nightclub. And I don't know that they ever that they ever found it so somewhere in live nightclub. He's a file a blood that would go on EBay right now. How would you verify that there's probably ways to do that you taste it? Sure steroids. Yeah. Geico slurpee, but for for this particular film to sort of do you think we were talking about this before? And I said I like media a-rod, I didn't so much like player Aron. You didn't know what I meant by that. So explain player era was an asshole. He was a liar. He he tried to deceive the fan. And I think that went for me personally when I talk about the steroid era, and I think back to Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire in the summer of ninety eight in the home run chase. I don't give a shit that they were on steroids. Because the memories of that summer for me is a baseball fan, dude, stick whatever you want your ass like if that's your call. That's your body that you're you're risking your health for. I just don't like being lied to like when rod was saying, no, I'm clean. Now. I never did this. Now, I never you weren't lie to in the nineties is that which I don't think they ever really. I mean, Mark Maguire came clean about it. Sammy Sosa God bless him. He's he's still to this day maintains that he doesn't take steroids. But but. But for a rod to sort of go about it as era the as he did that's what I didn't so much like, so then he comes out and he's media eight rod. He's happy. Go lucky. He's kind of he he's almost a parody of himself because a-rod on the baseball field. He was tough guy. He was he he had a presence to them era the media guy. He's fun. He's friendly. I can I can relate to media a-rod. I will say that. I it Meyer, greatly this imagery ability. Then he has achieved I think it's it's one of the greatest in the history of any I think public persona certainly in the history of sports. I mean, and and because he not only rebounded he bounced back higher than ever was as you observe as as a player. He is. Now this beloved pop culture figure as my mother knows him Jlo's boyfriend. Yeah. I mean, it's extraordinarily Lang how much more widely. He is also a adored. I never knock another man's hustle. I mean, it's a remarkable achievement. He also did it not incidentally without ever having to. Do the may culpa tour that that like Lance Armstrong wet did. And everybody still hates that guy. And he's only got one ball. So like toys that guy poor lands. But like, but everybody hates him. Everybody loves a rod who never apologize for what he any lied. And he lied with impunity. He spent millions of dollars trying to cover this up by off witnesses by stolen records. I mean, it's the whole thing. And it's all in screwball. You know, what he did? But he was matched this eccentric millionaire by the fuck ary of the eccentric billionaires it major league baseball who first and foremost were complicit we're certainly profited from the nineties home run race if they could have done a home run race every season. God knows they would've loved it or jubilee saved the game after the strike for sure did back, then I mean, we might not there might not be a major league baseball, as we know it, certainly as we know it today without steroids threat, but did not care at all about steroids hall of fame profited, tremendous I would say there's no single individual who profited more from Steph. Royds than bud C-league did. And certainly all the owners in the Lee in the league wide and Sarah. It's cost a lot though too. And I don't think it cost MLB anything and the way they carried on particularly in this case is shocking and Barrasso, I mean, they had this squad of this of keystone cops this internal investigations agency that they started after the belco scandal, this almost FBI that they had that they would dispatch to different jurisdictions and with no law enforcement Prudential's our power, but they were mostly former retired law enforcement, and in the case of of of the biogenesis scandal or in quote unquote investigation, they slept with a nurse former nurse, abou- Genesis they were running around town with trash bags full of cash from some slush fund where they wound up giving a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars cash to a convicted felon, former counterfeiter in a diner for stolen medical records that they knew that they knew or stolen where they're gonna. Ninety nine that guy. Like, how are they? How are they gonna account for this ridiculous slush fund that MLB is running around? I mean, it was just absolute craziness. And so there's a lot of people who should be embarrassed about a lot of things. And in fact, one of the investigators from the state of former investigators from the state of Florida that we interview in screwball specifically says unequivocally someone from age league baseball should've been criminally charged and prosecuted in the state of Florida. I mean, it's crazy might that person. Be if it were anybody, I don't know. I mean because I you have to look at the individual behavior of all the various investigators and bad actors in the story, but you also had in the case of Alex Alex headache Queen for a day interview with the DA Queen for days becoming very popular amongst the all the president's men. Currently, in fact, popadopoulos I was actually prosecuted for lying at his Queen for a day meeting with the FBI you don't lie at your Queen for a day meeting. The purpose of a Queen for a day meeting is you're off the hook tell us everything. Tell us the truth, and we will not use that against you. We will not charge. You prosecute you. You. Realizing the information that you tell us not you. So Alex has a Queen the DA me lies at his Queen for a day meeting was not prosecuted, incidentally for it. But who does that the whole point of it? But here's the thing. He was in that mode. He was in lying mode. He was in CYA mode. He was in damage control mode. And we met with him. He called us through a mutual friend in November October November of twenty thirteen right in the midst of the madness of the arbitrator because he was gonna fight it. Everybody else took their lumps. Ryan Brahms like listen. Yeah. Just gimme what you give me. And I'll walk away Alex insisted upon fighting this any any fought in just the most glorious Trumpian way just just deny deny deny the facts in front of your face. It was amazing. And he just he spent all this money and part of his. You know, good defense. Best best. Best defense is good offense. He started to like one to make it known that he was shopping. His story was going to tell all and until his side of the story. So we get this. Call Alex wants to meet with you. He's in on a break from the arbitration. He's got an office in Coral Gables, Florida. Right. Couple miles from the university of Miami, come meet them. So I figure going on the down low, right? His private conversation. They said actually, meet us at high noon at hill stones for lunch. So he'll stones formerly Houston's. If there's a power lunch spot in Coral Gables. It is displace. It is slammed eighty and has just opened floor plan. So from the street to the back of the kitchen. Everybody can see everything happening in this entire dining room. We walk in like, we're we're with Sanyo Rodriguez, and they walk us right down the middle isle. Like, they're presenting us like a make Alaska on a cruise ship there. We might as well fucking sparklers on our heads stabbing. So they walk us right down this middle. I'll. Alex is holding court at the back centre booth all of the booths along the back wall or on a platform like literally a step up onto a stage. And we step up on we might as well had a spotlight on a seriously. And if there's any place I'm gonna get recognized like from the ESPN thirty thirty stuff it's there, which is like like, I said two miles and university of Miami. So everybody's looking at us. And who are these people going to meet with Alex Rodriguez? I literally sit down the table awkward pause icebreaker say so who's gonna call page six officer, you sure shit. It was in page six like a week later. I'll spoiler alert. We didn't we didn't call. We don't have that kind of juice to getting paid six. But like he was just this part of the stick. And he was like any sad. We sat there with him for an hour and a half, and you just lie to us. Absolutely lied to us is you know, that he was lying was this all like because you had done your research prior to well afterwards. Yes. The answers both, but I actually found him terribly charming and really persuasive. And I thought he made really good points in our way out. Out the door. It was me and my producing partner. Alfred spellman who is degenerate baseball fan turned out for said, it was interesting. I'm like he made a lot of really good points. Like what alford's like he's totally full of shit every word after I. Hi, I'm Alex was ally. And I was like really he's like, yeah. And it turned out to be to to bear out to be true. What was untruth, although everything I mean, knowing Tony Bosch taking steroids? Tony Bosch one of the points. He had made was like look at my stats. I didn't get any better wasn't really hitting anymore. Home runs after Tony Bosch quote claims. He cleans he starting netting in started treating me on several things at work there. Number one. Tony Bosch was slowly in his life was like spiraling out of control. And I might have been some point that he was like just handing out placebos like just sugar pills. Yeah. You know? And and you know, I I assume that you know, what's the what's the famous saying, you know, a half. Half the game is ninety percent mental. And so. Yeah. So I I think that maybe something like that was at work. But also, I think that Alex at that point was doing it for recovery. You know, what he was doing? And that's the thing if your body is your fortune, your your body's your business like and you're getting up there in age if you're trying to extend your career like, okay? So you need to heal. Yeah. A little bit faster. That's a little different from from steroids. Just Ostro human growth hormone, which legitimate doctors, Tony wasn't could conceivably prescribe you. I mean, I don't know PD's this whole conversation. I mean who gives a shit. I mean, you give your kid Admiral and she gets into gale instead of the other kid that's a performance enhancing drug cheating. You know? What about Tommy John surgery? Yeah. I mean, that's like some bionic man shit. Like how is that? How is that quote, legal and taking something that will increase your body's ability to heal after an injury when you're a professional athlete like I don't get it. I don't really get. It was certainly wasn't worth making a federal case out of it is congress. Did. I don't think. Yeah. I think the most telling aspect of everything that you just said is what lengthy rod will go to to protect his image and his quest since day. One has always to be liked. He was obsessed with being liked when he went from the Mariners to the Rangers. He idolized Cal Ripken junior. He was like, that's the my guy. He did it the right way. And then era did it the complete opposite way the cower junior did because Ripken's stay with one team. He played every single day. He didn't make any excuses. He went about it the right way. And he's still doing it to this day. He's got the coward can senior fun where they go, and they teach kids baseball, and he's very hands on a rod did the complete opposite. So when he has this day where he's granted immunity. He still lied because he was afraid of the people that were in the room just going to be like, oh, yeah. Well, he said this this and this if it was protected information he's still didn't trust those people because at the end of the day. He just wants to be liked anyone. He he has that. Now. I don't know. It's amazing. Why it makes perfect sense that he would reach out to you and want to meet with you. Because now it's like he's he has waited his entire life to get to this point. And he got to that point after his playing career. And now there is something that might be standing in the way of where he's worked as whole life to get to. But then he goes to out he goes to this. So we never got that. We he was never actually going to do that interview. 'cause why do the apology tour if you don't have to do any wound up not having to do it? But why go on record again and tell more lies and then go back to square one. All this guy's dishonest full of it. Yeah. No. It's absolutely true. He was he he's been able to sort of like sly grin. Shrug it off. You know, right off his shoulders and bless his heart for for being able to do that. And I think ultimately that's the kind of twisted message of this movie. Is it it presents what I like to call the the new core American values like we were raised. P your parents are like honesty, integrity, treat other people. The way you would want to be treated shirt, you know. And now, it's like lie cheat and steal and you win and you succeed. And that was the that was the main theme of the whole steroid era is that there was no ramifications for their actions. And now you're seeing guys like Pudge Rodriguez who is very much in in the crosshairs of Jose Canseco during the steroid era in all the things that he's written about him being. I saw this guy take steroids. He's in the hall of fame. Now, so era in the end might still win ultimately because he could he's got the likability back or the likability that he never really had. He could end up with the hall of fame to which I don't know if that's I don't know. It's a put a percentage on it. I would say probably in the twenty percent range, but that's probably a lot higher percentage than most people feel comfortable with. I very little doubt that someday he will wind up in the hall of fame and used to say this about Florida because I'm from Florida. But now I've but the Florida today's the America tomorrow. So I now apply this to to the nation at large and probably the whole world at this point. But I'm I'm rarely shocked but regularly disappointed, and I think that that's I think that's probably where we're headed. But but that said I mean to be fair like Alex deserve it any less than as you said any of the other drug addicts racists that are. Heaters that are already that are already in the hall of fame. I mean, like I said, bud Seelig. Nobody profited from steroids. You mentioned earlier. But then you also mentioned rob Manfred. Yes, what was his involvement in this in do you think that this film will ultimately become a black eye on his legacy? Rob Manfred was in charge of the of major league baseball as biogenesis investigation. So talk about lying cheating stealing to get ahead. Rob Manfred is is is the embodiment of that. I mean, Alex was Siegen Rodriguez were in a battle of of their legacies ceiling very much wanted to go out the door saying, oh, look, I cleaned up. The sport that I that I actually profited from the the cheating in and Alex wanted to obviously nearing the end of his career one way or another wanted to go out not the way, he he went out, obviously. So the two of them were really in this in this battle of the legacies. And rob Manfred was second income. Mandy was bud. See leagues right hand, man. And literally the person in charge of the biogenesis investigation. His job was to get a rod by any means necessary and the manner in which the investigation that he headed and conducted wasn't embarrassment and possibly legal some of the gains as the investigative refers politely refers to them as shenanigans that they that they partook in in Florida were were really rather embarrassing. So it is a black guy on on Manfred legacy and should be. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. 'cause I mean both of those guys were complicit in what was going on. But I feel like Manfred is not so much associated with it so much, but ceiling has been right, and he paid a price for it by becoming the next Commissioner base. Correct light lie cheat steal, and you can be a a pop culture sensation superstar retired baseball player turned broadcaster like sheet steel, and you can become the Commissioner of multi billion dollar monopoly. Major league baseball. Lie cheat and steal and YouTube kids could someday be the president of the United States Maga baby. I could talk to you about this all day long. Just one more question. So obviously, we talked about this a little bit earlier that all of this has been verified, these are facts all these things happened. And I asked us Irving, Jerry. What in this film? If I'm seeing this for the first time, and I'm well read on this. If I see for the first time, what am I finding out that I didn't already know Jesus. Well, some of the, you know, it's told entirely by Tony Bosch and porter Fisher who was the whistle blower who who loaned from time. For who? Bonnie. Oh, yeah. He wound up serving. He was sentenced to four years served about two okay of those years. So he is out and we interviewed him in Puerto Fisher. Like, I said, the whistle blower who loaned Tony the four thousand dollars which I can only surmise when directly up his nose. Not I don't even know that he bought cocaine with it. He just snorted the four thousand dollars cash, and so it's like entirely by those guys plus a couple of journalists, and like I said the investigator the former investigator from the Florida Department of health who was investigating this phony clinic, and this and this unlicensed physician that Tony Bosch was is. And so I think that you I think. You'll be surprised by the Florida fucker of it. All I think you'll be surprised because we tell it in this very Carl hyacinth Elmore. Leonard ITO Cohen brothers s kind of heist movie with eight year old children as the adults, you know on. So I think that there are a million details that you will not have been privy to. And I think the important one is that it's not about a rod not Iran is just a supporting character, he was collateral damage in this whole thing and you'll you'll probably come to realize or at least get some new insight into why we're so utterly dysfunctional down there in Florida. But like, I always say L as where you go. When you wanna be somebody New York is where you go when you are somebody, and Miami's where you go when you wanna be somebody else. It's just always been a sunny place for shady people. I have never heard that one before the film is called screwball. Billy corbin. Thank you so much for coming on when can people that are listening to this CD film for the first time. Well, people are in New York and hearing it Saturday. Can go. I don't know when they're going to be hearing this but Saturday November tenth at the SBA theater in west twenty third street at the dock NYC festival. Just go to doc NYC dot net. Otherwise baseball season babies spring training for sometime between sometime before opening day in spring of twenty nineteen. Yeah. Nothing. Nothing says star baseball season like some needles and some some untruths Billy. Thank you for coming on. Really? Appreciate really looking forward to seeing the film. Thanks for having me. I big thanks to Billy Corgan for stopping by starting nine. That was really fun interview. Guerrilla got into I feel like I could've kept talking to the guy for like another fucking our it was really going conversation. Go on. My love is work. I feel like this is a guy who's really after getting the answers. You know, he's really after till the story. So. Yeah. Yeah. I bet you are. The love that story telling us just love that we need to get like an advanced screening. I'd love to like watch that shit. I wanna wait wait until I marched to watch that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll ask them. Hey, yes, sir. Got some Twitter questions from ground. Yes, we do. And for those for those of you who like peek behind the curtain. We are gonna motor through these because Jared has to go and do his number one rated radio show here CK. That's what you guys calling it. Right. It's it's Clancy in the rockets CC k it's at C two K. It's we've got a bunch of names going right now level love all three of those people on that program. Alright Twitter questions from the grounds crew should Cleveland fans be upset with the organization if they do trade away, some expensive pieces kluber and others if the club continuously add a payroll and identify their attendance, I will take this question. The the problem is with the question because the club continuously added payroll, and it actually did impact their attendance and revenue. I know there was some misleading information. It was sent at the start of the regular season the Indians, while their attendance lags behind overall, the investment in the club actually did pay dividends from that standpoint. So if you are the type of person who is inclined to get mad about what a professional sports team does then. Yes, I think you should. I think it's personally. I'll say this. I'm glad if the if the return on James Paxton was Justice Sheffield, and that's what the Indians were being offered for Carlos Carrasco. I'm glad they did not take that. And Secondly, yeah, I think there's every reason to be frustrated these guys are under contract at very affordable rates. The Indians have not won a World Series since nineteen forty eight. Their owner personally is a billionaire, and this idea that the Indians have some sort of salary cap that they need to adhere to or a or lack of payroll flexibility that may be reality for the people managing the payroll, but it doesn't have to be that way. So that's a choice that the organization makes its artificial. So yes, be angry the Indian should be trying everything they can to win a World Series. And if a trade for kluber, harass go takes them further away from that in the present. Then I think you have every right to be frustrated. I agree. The window is not closed j the windows not closed. I would not sell. No, it's not. And I'm okay with the deal that like makes sense. And it helps in the present and the future. The Indians have shown a real ability to navigate that line or walk that line and make all of the Indians best moves I'll say this have been trades with other teams where they've gotten prospects that have been a little undervalued or unheralded turned into great players. So I'm okay with the idea as long as it's properly executed, but if you're dumping Corey kluber with the idea of getting a package of four or five prospects, one of whom may help in the second half of next season. That to me is it's problematic. Who is the most underrated free agent and or player on the trading block this off season. And who is the most overrated? Ooh, I'm gonna I'm gonna you know, what Krav is someone summit a fucking. I'm gonna dig in a little bit is the most overrated player out on the free agent market right now. Nathan evolving Naza going to say the most underrated. He's the most underrated yet. I is what is going into his age twenty nine season. I think the dark horse the Saini of all d would be the Astros and just think about that. If he's Chuck in one oh two right now, he goes to Houston is fucking changeups going to be one hundred nine miles an hour. Those RPM's up yet. That's spin right up. Whatever the fuck they're doing over there in Houston, and they're going to turn them into like the bionic arm. I feel like he is very much unrated for what he's going to cost. You might get like what four years sixty million dollars. And he's obviously taking a step forward since the second half of last year. You could very easily make the case he's the youngest. I think is the youngest agent pitcher on the market starting pitcher. Yeah. This guy is the the most underrated. And I guess it's hard to be underrated. When you have nine teams are interested in him. But when you're talking about a free agent class that includes a couple of guys that could get north at three hundred million dollars. And you're talking about maybe sixty million free of all Aldy then. Yeah. At makes them under rated. Yeah. No. That's that's that's why I have him as being maybe an overrated guys because you're taking what he's done in the postseason again. The reasons you bias and projecting that out over the course of the entire season year. I think that that what's that and second half. I just think that. You know, it's it's a little quick to be to to have evolved shot. That's why I said, I don't know the other thing about. Murphy. As underrated. No as being overrated, by the way, eve- all the had a one three five year in the month of September. So it's not just the postseason. These are these are not bad answers. I'll say that. I think the actual correct answer for most underrated is. Yes, Monte Granville. And. Here's what I didn't. Even those those guys I mentioned, we're over at Jeb Lowery. I feel as the yeah. Yeah. Dallas pre Lowery lives house. He we're talking about death all over the field. Switch hitter a diner doubles dynamo. That's that's that's that's the guy you need. Yes. Monte GRANDE dollars the answer. I was surprised at the number of people who would win we were talking about. The qualifying offer expected granddaughter to accept. There's no way that was going to happen. I know the last taste we had of him was a little bit unpleasant. But we're also talking about a guy who has five season sample two thousand at bats on the dot of two thirty six three thirty five four forty three which in this current catching landscape is like gold, and I think he it may not last for four or five more seasons. But I think if you're looking for a really solid solution at the back suffered two or three years. I think he's right. I think he's one of the five or six best free agents bailable overall, let alone the best at the catching position moving along. Which below five hundred team will do the most this offseason. Assuming that men below five hundred team teams who were below five hundred twenty eighteen. Which below five hundred team will do the most this Aussies at. I think it's got to be the White Sox now. Ooh. Okay. I mean, they're they're talking a lot of talk. They are I feel like if you're the White Sox. And you you wanna you know, at least I don't think they're gonna end up with many Machado. But if you're throwing your name in the hat that means that you're least willing to spend and wasn't. You're throwing your name in the hat for a player that could sign for thirteen years and three hundred and fifty million dollars or whatever it is the largest contract they've ever handed out was to Jose Abreu my wrong, like seventy million. Yes. Right now, all of a sudden they wanna they wanna fuck in start throwing that big dick around. So we'll see what happens, but I would say that of the below five hundred teams from twenty eighteen the White Sox seem poised at least if you want to pay attention to all the the chatter to to make the most moves or at least try to. That was. See honestly, do like the questions like this. They give me a tough time. Because I think about the idea that teams are readily preparing to fail. And so like, I don't know is team on the plus is a team that's five hundred or you interested in just laboring around there and silting up the revenue share for the last couple of whatever if you're in that boat. I just don't know. I mean, what about the about? What what about the Mets? The Mets thought about the Orioles oils aren't gonna do shit. They're just don't even know fucking general manager yet so many things to do before they can even think about moving pieces around for a roster. I got. And maybe the hotness of this take is as is a little less now with the news the last couple of days, but what about the Padres? I mean, reportedly sniffing around Syndergaard as a few teams have been their their their names in the hat for you've all well. Giants Joey right now the the far Hawn floor on Zaidi making his way over to San Fran nimble. I mean, they've talked a lot about Bryce Harper a lot about rice Arbor. Now, talk all you want. But that doesn't make you a player will the giants. The giants. I just that front office now with Zaidi there. There's just there's no way they would make that move and go inquire him and just not let him do his thing right now. Sure. Let that you gotta let that pony run. So far Hawn go get your fucking dudes. That's that's kind of the approach. Bear. I still think that could be the Mets or the whites. I believe more in in the Mets ability to make some noise this offseason that I do in the White Sox. I feel like the White Sox is a lot of like let's keep this hype train rolling type deal while the Mets are kind of in a position where they didn't have a terrible second half of the season. But I mean a lot of teams are going to be interested in what they've got for assets. So we'll look at that Kris Bryant Syndergaard. Swap. Yeah. Installer. Jay. That's all we got. That's it for this week holy shit. While. All right. We have a law. We have a Lofton Edmonds one. But I'm gonna kick that to the to the next pod. Because that really it deserves more than the forty five seconds. It would end up getting. Yeah. There's a lot of things that we had scheduled for this podcast that we weren't able to get to because I got a I gotta run run over to bar sledge cue to do radio. But happy thanksgiving to the grounds crew. Dallas j myself were all very thankful for you as listeners, and we're we're thankful that you stick with us even during the off season because that's when things really start to heat up during the regular season. I mean, it's like there's only so much that you can go at each other's throats for because it's it's it's almost cut and dry a lot of the time. So we're we're mostly on the same page in the off season is is where things kind of get a little testy. We start debating hall of fame cases, we start to bathing the greatest third basement of all time you'll stick around. If this is your first off season is a member of the grounds crew, you'll you'll see how how we do it around here when no games are being played. And we start to lose our collective baseball mines so stick around for that happy thanksgiving safe travels wherever you're going, and we will catch you next week. Good stuff being issued a Jared know how important it is. For the Saugus rocket the square off against those boys from Oregon, all let's see. Let's see don't. Hey, don't sing it bring it. I will with a little help from a package that I received from Russia.

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#1271 - Billy Corben

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#1271 - Billy Corben

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He's a documentarian how about that he made cocaine Cowboys and cocaine Cowboys to the are probably my all time favorite documentaries. He also has a new documentary that comes out very soon. It's the actual release is March twenty ninth. And then I think it's it's available on demand at a bunch of different places on April fifth. It's called screwball. And it is a bout steroids in baseball, and it is excellent. And I'm not even a baseball fan. You don't have to be a baseball fan to watch it. It's fucking great. I love this guy. He's a ball of energy and intellect please give it up for Mr. Billy Corgan. The Joe Rogan experience. Podcast. Hello, billy. We're live yoga school now, buddy. He too I watch a new documentary this morning in the gym loved it. It was fucking great. It's crazy. I love your use of little kids. I don't wanna give away too much of it. But it's about the steroid scandal involving baseball and Alex Rodriguez. But what was the choice to use little kids to play a rod and all the other key principles involved in the scandal. Like to play us little actors what kids come on fellow. You're you're just hide it. I was pretty sober. It's the jam. Yeah. So you now know the story we've seen the dock, and if people remember the biogenesis steroid scandal, if not the movie, I think recaps it pretty pretty well. But the thing that struck me is it like all these guys acted like children. They really did. Yeah. And and to boot. So we've done some some sports in the past. We didn't you know, some of the ESPN thirty for thirty like the you. And when you do a sports, doc. I mean, I don't wanna say it's it's easy because it's making documentaries is challenge. But sports doctor pretty like paint by numbers. It's like you interview, some players interview, some coaches and journalists they mentioned a bunch of games and your show a bunch of game footage. You know, like it's a pretty straightforward process with this one it's not about baseball. It's baseball adjacent. I guess we're like it's about shit that went down in nightclubs in shady clinics with fake doctors. Hotel rooms bars locker rooms, so you got a bunch of guys talking heads in your documentary. But then yet you got nothing to cut to you got no B-roll. So I'm like, we're going to need to shoot recruits re-creations here, which is which is to me. I don't know. It's like when you're doing nonfiction filmmaking. It's big shit when you when you film recreation. So it's like, I'm like, how do we do this in a creative way that that's consistent with the tone of the movie, which was always called screwball? Meaning it was always like a farce Carl highest center Elmore. Leonard Cohen brothers sort of Florida thuggery farce. And so we just wanted to keep in that in that mode. So I'm watching the characters. So we got Tony Bosch who is the fake doctor and Puerto Fisher who is the whistle blower who stole the medical records and started this whole thing they were then stolen from him. And then sold to the highest bidder. But any bitter in every bitter they were sold to and they're talking and I'm. Noticing that the had like a very similar storytelling style, for example, guile like so I walk into his office. And I say I want my money, and he says, I don't have your money. And I said, well, you better get my money. And he said, what are you going to do about it? And I said I'm gonna break your net. And I'm like oh shit. They they're so vivid and in the moment, and talk and dialogue. So we could drunk history. This right. We could we could edit together the dock, and then have the actors lip synching, the actual interview dialogue and all the actors will be eight years old. And I don't know like I've always wanted to do it like way back spike Jones nineteen Ninety-seven big video sky's the limit. Big. You just been murdered. He was faced with this challenge of producing a posthumous video and so- spike Jones was like, okay. We'll just do a straight up. Classic bad boy records, circa ninety seven music video cars for Saatchi wardrobe girls mansion hot tub, but they'll all be eight years old. You got baby biggie puffy, baby. Busta rhymes, basically can't. Yeah. It's brilliant. And so I was like what a great deal that was always kicking around since since ninety seven. And then I saw this off Broadway musical about ten tennis years ago called a very merry. Let me try that one more time a very merry unauthorized children Scientology pageant. I don't ask me to say it again, I can't say it again. So it's it's wild musical like very Bowie esque score written by a couple years. It's like it's a it's a Christmas pageant performed by elementary school kids. But instead of the story of Jesus it's the story of L Ron Hubbard all with like in like a school play with like paper. Michelle like sets and construction paper costumes and props and I wanted to I got together with one of the composers. I'd sit listen I'd like to get the rights to your musical and make a Scientology documentary using the kids and the musical as a framing device because in those days, no one was making now everybody makes documentaries in those days. Nobody was doing it, particularly because like the churches so litigious, and so they had kind of left this musical alone. So I thought like that might be a cool buffer like maybe if make making documentary that's a little light, you know, and it's like this children's musical. But we enter. Cut it with real a real documentary investigation interviews, and that maybe we'll kind of get away with it. Nobody wanted to make that movie too. Nobody I mean doors are closing before. I even knocked out like got to them. And I kind of filed again filed that idea way in the back of my head and then. Couple of years ago. There was that funny. Viral video like it was like a Scarface school play. I don't know if you're like a bunch of little kids doing Scarface is like an elementary school play and house like this is such. It's such a great device in the problem is you need to find something that works for like like cocaine cowbys would not have been appropriate. For example, a bunch eight year old kids running around some Bugsy Malone. You know? So it just like it just like how the stars align. We just like how's this is this is going to work here? I think it works in such a crazy story. The I don't want to give too much of it a wags a really want people to watch it because I mean, I've I've talked about cocaine Cowboys probably a hundred times in this podcast. It's one of my all time favorite puck. Excuse me. All time favorite documentaries. But this is this is a store that almost writes itself. It's so bonkers. And the fact that it all could have been voided if one guy just paid another guy or just didn't try to rip them off four grand. Yeah. Like, nothing doesn't make any sense. This fucking crazy. And the guy would bizarro personality. He was who just tan every day and hang out at this doctor's office in the waiting room telling everybody, how great it was like the whole thing is so strange like everybody remembers it is like the Iran or a Royds scandal. And the truth of the matter is at Alex Rodriguez was collateral damage. Yes. In this whole thing. It was not about him. Don't tell Alex that. But it's not about him. You know, it's it. It was really the highest the career of the highest paid baseball player of all time effectively ended over a four thousand dollar debt between this cocaine addicted fake, doctor and his fake tan addicted steroid patient, and it's like that's why. It's like a Florida. Fuck ary story straight up it just like this only in Miami absurd farce. And that's what you specialize it sort of. Special hasn't Florida fucker. I go to your Twitter feed all the time for current Florida fucker. It's just it's it's distilled. It's just like it's pure. It's one hundred percents Florida fucker is just it's and that's what this story is to me. 'cause like Miami is just really say the great thing about Miami's. It's so close to the United States. But like, it's it's also like it's America's CASA Blanca like just people kind of flee to Miami from like all over the country and all over the world, usually leaving some kind of criminality in their wake and come here and kind of there and reinvent themselves. You know, like, it's just and then you have all of these criminals there who then kind of baking in the sun, you know, in this kind of multicultural fucking pie. You know, that we have they just like, and then they start putting their their minds together and brainstorming, and they hatch just the most inane schemes and scams like that's our primary export from Miami is just. Schemes and scams. We'll just so amazing that it's still cocaine culture to after all these years it still has a giant cocaine engine pumping out. All this chaos. We don't have any indigenous industry factory where everybody goes to work. And then thirty years later gets a watch. There's there's no business there. Carl hiaasen says all we produce in Florida is oranges and machine guns. I don't we don't make anything that. We sell the dream. We sell the sunshine lies that came true. You know? And so and even more frightening is the Miami of today is the America tomorrow. So it's like there's a lot of lessons to be gleaned from down there. But it's basically at this point of money, a real estate hustle at a money laundering capital. So it's really no different than it ever. Was everybody likes to tell me? Oh, it's changed. It's grown. I'm like just because you've built a bunch of shit. Doesn't mean we've grown and Miami is just like Niamey is one of the youngest cities in the country in your so it'd be about one person old or one and a half people ago. One and a half people ago, you know, like. We're the we're one of the youngest cities barely one hundred just over one hundred you know, correct me if I'm wrong because of said this before, but isn't there more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else? We'll certainly the certainly was before the, you know, the the the great recession when a lot of them started shutting down, but most of them have rebounded one of the clever things. Some of the real estate developers did was they opened their own Bank literally their own Bank. They had a Bank where the entire board of the Bank were all real estate developers and over ninety percent of the loans. The Bank made was insider loans just board. And then of course, they went belly up in the great recession, and what happened we bailed him out. So she was all their own say yelled out real estate salesman who loaned themselves money that is round up being backed ultimately by us by the tax. Yeah. I mean, that's the old. Remember, I mean, you hear that line all the time. Now that like, you know. The people used to rob the Bank from the outside in now. It's now it's from the inside out. But no, none could be true than than than that story. And that's a Miami story. And when the great recession happened, the FDIC had opened an office in Florida because we had more Bank closures than any other state in the union because we were like you could go down there. I'm you could buy a fuck and mortgage for your dog at a drive through in Miami. And the in the late nineties early arts, and I remember interviewing a guy doing working on a project Ponzi state about the state of Florida as like a case study in the great recession years ago, we never finished it, unfortunately. But we're interviewing this guy. And he says, you know, we were MRs pre like big short like this before anybody sort of new a lot about this. And he said we were down here in Miami. Setting. Fires and Wall Street was trying to read are smoke signals. That's why say like the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow. It is every time I go there. I always go. I forgot how fucking crazy this. If you really should have to have a passport. I love it. I really do love it. It's a crazy place to do stand up. You know, I I did this job because I was doing a Netflix special. And I was doing it. A couple of months after I did this gig in Miami. And so I was using those yonder bags, you know, what those are what people have to put their cell phone, right? Netted bag you keep the phone. But you hold the phone in the if you want to use it you to have to step outside the open up the bag, and they give you phone in every other city it made for a better show because people just sat down and watched the show in Miami. It made for literally forty percent of the crowd at any given time was getting up and going to the back and using their phone and coming back in there were just constantly moving around presume it was to use their phone. They might be powder in their noses. They might have been. But it was you know, it was because I had done gigs before the where they didn't have the yonder bags. And this wasn't the problem but Miami everybody needed to use their phones. They just kept getting up and coming back, and it was just chaos. Well, it's also a selfish town like it's it's basically a town a town. Of assholes. I mean, really, and and so like, I always say that I mean, it reflects in everything that we do in the way that would behave certainly in the way that we drive like believe it or not like people are so much more chill and calm here in traffic in LA. I swear to God and was famous for like road rage like LA like. Created invented road rage. But like Miami is such a crazy angry weird place because it's like when push comes to shove, we're in Miami chill the fuck out like it's it's all good. It's a beautiful place like and it's a shared experience. Traffic sucks for all of us, just chill out and user, turn signal for crying out loud. And just, but that's why I say that's why they call it Miami. It's not our AME or your AMI. It's my fucking AMI and stay out of my fucking AMI. It's just seem to love it. You seem to thrive. Yeah. I can't really function anywhere else. Visiting sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's an it's so frustrating to I was, you know, I'm a native Floridian and a lifelong Miami. And I for a while. I was I was pretty determined to like leave behind a better Florida than the one. I was I was warning. Fail. That is so inexorably connected to cocaine. One of my best friends, Steve Graham was an ophthalmologist. He did his residency in Miami. So he did his residency in emergency rooms in Miami. And he was there in the eighties during the height basically during when cocaine Cowboys takes place, and he saw everything he mean, he had all these pictures of bullet holes and skull fragments and people with light bulbs, stuffed up their asses and just he said every day was just fucking chaos. So we Miami idea ever Elsa. Lightbulb goes off over your head in Miami. We shove it right up our asses. They had to pull a light bulb out of a guy's ass in one of those ones Christmas tree curly ones. Disguise stuck a light bulb of his ass. And it broke in his ass. At least he was concerned about the environment. That's like one of those environmentally like sound like. There's no environmentally sound. Yeah. They were just thicker glass felt like you could get it in his ass better. We like that was the to cut your teeth. If you were a cop or a lawyer, journalist or an ER doctor. I remember talking to your doctor once he tells me a story nine hundred eighty shortly after the Mariel boatlift started, which I think everybody's kind of pop culture frame of reference for the Mariel boatlift is Scarface, Tony Montana was Mary Lito. That's the beginning of the movie when Castro was ranting and raving that he's flushing the toilets of Cuba onto the United States specifically to Miami. And so he was working at the the trauma center. Jackson Memorial our emergency room in Miami. And he said he got maryelle refugee these guys would stand on the beach. They would it looked like Havana in south beach like coral seawall, and it's just like it had a really evolved. So they would go they would chill mostly at these flop-houses south fifth street in Miami Beach, where like the cops would literally just they would be leaving after a stabbing at one of these places and they. Be three blocks away. They get a call to go back because now there was a shooting or something else. It would be going there like all round the clock. And so. And they would just get in gunfights. Like literally would just be like they someone would sheet at Domino's, and they would just pull out a gun in one guy would shoot the other guy. And so he has a Mariel refugee who comes in to the emergency room with a gunshot wound. And he knew Spanish bilingually said to the guys you really lucky because this bullet had hit know few centimeters, or whatever this way, you would have died. Immediately would have bled out right there on the scene died instantly and guide splits a few days later, another Mariel refugee comes in with gunshot wound in exactly the same spot where he had told the other guy that if you got hit there. He would have died could never prove it never was able to trace it back. But he was pretty well convinced that it was a revenge shooting the other shooting and the guy knew exactly where to shoot him and kill him because the doctor had told them where to do that. But that was like every day Miami, the lady who cuts my hair for Christ sake. She said Billy. I was soon naive in those days. You know, you. You. She's I cut people's hair. You know, they come over kiss. Her goodbye and put a tip inter inter pocket, and she'd go home Turner pockets inside out have our little crumbled bills and everything and one day. She finds a little baggie of white powder that some wonder for clients had slipped into her pocket as a tip, and she said to a girlfriend. She was what the hell's this and Princeton oh shit. That's worth more than gold. That's the best tip. You got you got all day that little baggie, but that was just like the culture in. It's an it's I mean, it's not anywhere else. Imagine that in Nebraska, someone Tiven you and cocaine people would be like what? What the fuck are you doing listen? It's just like like, I said, it's America's CASA Blanca, no place like it. Now such a strange place. Everybody everything is for sale still nothing. Like, I said we are about a person old. That's how far back Miami goats. I was watching a video about the culture of renting supercars to people. So they can pretend that it's their car. Huge miami. We got all these Brickell Brickley Lista thousand airs driving their rented fuck at Lambeau 's and blow in the engines out on south beach, because they don't know how to drive. Just getting towed down the street is just listen. It's a fake until you make it kind of town. And there's nothing really to make there you can't really other than a real estate hustle, money laundering, drugs politics, being a crop politician. There's really no other way to make. It's not a real industry. No, not at all is a lot of professional fighters. Come out of Miami that whole area coconut grove and lot of aggression. Lot of poverty. It's it's a third world economy down there. The disparity between the haves and the have nots. The income gap is widest and getting wider in Miami Dade County than just about any city in the country or any any metropolitan area in the country. Wow. So and that's why I said that Miami. If today's the America tomorrow, if you want to know what challenges will face as a nation or calamities will befall us in the years to come. You need only look it at Miami TD Allman called it the canary in the coal mine, the bellwether. And so, you know, when when when the election was playing out the cycle in two thousand sixteen I was like all my friends are just like this can this Trump thing can happen. I was like hang on. I'll say. I'll like Florida elected. And in fact, reelected Rick Scott to be governor. He is the biggest Medicare fraudster in the history of the United States. Everybody knows it. Everybody's aware of it. Very well publicized. We've we reelected him. Okay. We elected him twice as the top fucking executive in our state like what makes you think that the United States of America wouldn't do that. And I know it's fair to say like if you're going to be the governor of the state, you should know a little something about the largest industry in the state like if you're gonna be the governor of Michigan. You should have some familiarity with the automobile industry in manufacturing, and in Florida, if you're going to be the governor, arguably, you should know something about our biggest industry, which is Medicare for odd vase. I mean, you could argue that he's the most qualified man for the job. Oh, yeah. We got like Medicare fraud is has is one of the largest industries has been for decades. I mean, we have billions and billions of dollars in fraud that on so they run it. So you'll go into like Little Havana Hialeah, for example, in a municipality in in Miami Dade, and they'll be a little Juanita sitting behind a desk calf asleep, and she'll be surrounded in this tiny little one room office by little mailboxes PO boxes and a mailman comes in every day and just put checks in the boxes, and they're like some cases, they've stolen. Social security numbers and crew a stolen identities, basically, and some cases they're just old people who aren't aware that their male is being forwarded to this location. And they've just got they I think Miami for awhile. We had more Medicare payments for HIV and aids medication than every other part of the country combined, and it's all just old people. So it's like you'd have to assume it hundred percent of our elderly population suffered from HIV at age hippy where HIV positive fucking impossible, you'd female patients getting penis pumps that were paid for by one got even know that Medicare covered that I got to look into that. But. No. That was the thing. Well, thanks Obama. Do you watch the Oxycontin express, did you go? But that's all about how they would have the pain management centers. And they were connected to the pharmacies. You'd go to the doctor. Hey, my back hurts you go. Well, you need this go right next door, and you all they would prescribe was Oxy's, and sometimes it wasn't even next door. Sometimes it was like go to that window right next door. They say, she'll she'll the doctor your x Ray you have to get your x Ray done somewhere else 'cause they weren't doing it. So you can hand the doctor your x Ray he look at it. Go. Oh shit. It was upside down. He wouldn't wouldn't even be like. Oh, yeah. Oh shit. You know, what you need? Go to that window over there and fill this prescription, and we had more pill mills they called them in Broward County, which is the county just north of Miami Dade, then we had McDonald's locations, and there was literally like the Appalachian trail. They were coming down. They were stocking up on Oxy and we were fuelling a death epidemic. Like in Kentucky. They're pulling over more cars of Florida plates than in-state plates up there because flirting is were like well shit. We can't let them have all the action. We'll drive up and we'll export the shit and at the peak of the pill mill epidemic the Oxy epidemic in Florida seven people a day were dying men, women and children, and and we subsist from hustle to hustle. You wonder why didn't the government crackdown on that shit? Why don't they regulate? It will I our governor. And we we deal with this and screwball is the biggest Medicare fraudster in the history of the country. So he wasn't exactly show. He say vigilant or interested in cracking. Down on medical related get away with it. My mom Maga magic. I guess. I mean, he listen, he he he got he pled the fifth amendment like seventy five times in a videotape deposition that was used in a campaign ad against him. And Florida was like or good. We're good with that of. And he just listen white Richmond kind of walk between the raindrops in this country. You know, it's just a sort of the craft. Forget me a hand job. That was Florida to so stupid. It's crazy stupid. It's what we were talking about it. Like, how does he not have a guy who could get him jerked off? Like, there's probably a lot of gals out there that would like to make some money. You don't you don't have to massage. Parlor, the biggest bummer of it is is now my massage parlours closed down. That's the problem. I where do I go. Now since the problem. We're broke guys. Go. The fact that they were filming you too. So the whole thing it's so strange. And if there was human trafficking going on there over what we're cops chilling there for like six months ongoing best can you save these poor victims, but human trafficking has become like this, keyword. It's like this new sort of like fearmongering kind of a term to get every body all up in arms and now they're kind of backtracking on that. They're like, well, maybe it wasn't exactly. Maybe it was just a more. Also. Why he was a horrible person because he was contributing to these people that were essentially being sold for sex. Slavery turns out that might have been a bit overblown, no pun intended of blah, overblown. Of course, that's kind of how they have to sell it. Right. Otherwise, people like why are you wasted all this money on hand jobs? No one care why? Because solving real crime is hard and dangerous and dangerous. Okay. So you can go and pick somebody up for marijuana or getting a hand job or whatever. And you can look like you're you're being proactive but chopping a murder, that's heart, man. That's hard work hard dangerous. And you know, you if you go to weird little Asia massage place guys coming out smiling. You can start there. What about low hanging fruit really offensive crafts, probably older, fellas? There was a weird law in Hawaii were they're letting cops actually have sex with prostitutes like to prove that they were prostitutes. I think nearly half the states in the union have a law that allow police officers to have sex with people in custody. Why really I I can't make how did he make this shit up under understand? Well, it was consensual opposite contractual they're in fucking handcuffs. What are you? It's consensual like what that's human trafficking. Yes me. I mean, we'll obviously they're going to try to make deals hail sock. Your deck. If you get me out of here. How that how is that consensual house? Crazy. It is the ultimate whole talking about people holding power over people the king coerced consent. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean that is that is more than an employer doing that to employees. I mean, you're literally dangling their freedom. Talk about an abuse of power seriously. I just look I I have all daughters. I'm I'm not I don't want anybody's daughter to be a prostitute. But I'm also one hundred percent in favor of people being able to do whatever the fuck they want and if someone's in a weird stage in their life where they'd rather jerk is off than work at Denny's. Like who's anybody to stop them from doing that? The only problem is the social stigma that's tach to it. The actual act itself is it's beneficial though, the person gets something out of it. I mean, there's it's some people have a really hard time getting someone to have sex with them. You know, it's I don't see it. It's just a crazy thing that we regulate something that mean, George Carlin had a great bit of. About it is the only thing where it's illegal to to make someone pay for it. But it's fine. If it's free it literally doesn't make sense. There's nothing wrong with sex. But there's something wrong people paying for it. And it's fine. If you pay for it, and then videotape it from our distribution because then store porn. Yeah. I don't really first of all it's a contract between two consenting adults. If we if we're talking about small government deregulation. Let's allow two consenting adults to engage in a contractual relationships. Offer acceptance consideration as with anything else, the stigmas you mentioned a lot of that is part and parcel of the prohibition the illegality of it is what brings the CD nece. It's what brings the danger. But the because it's forced underground you introduce all of these elements that don't have to be there. They can place in clean environments that can take place instead of in the black market and underground could take place. In where you can protect all the participants. Yes involved and it, but it's been true of liquor. It's been true of marijuana. It's been true of prostitution, which they call for a reason, the oldest profession. The second we introduce the prohibition, it creates a level of of danger and a threat to society that wouldn't exist. If you're like, wait, what if you just let me smoke this? What if you just let me drink this because I'm an adult making a responsible decision for myself. What if he just let me engage in sexual activity with this person who is perfectly willing to do it in exchange for some renumeration? What the why should anybody give shit? So pure tackle. It's so archaic. It's such a dumb, proven bad idea. It's I mean, it's been proven for decade upon decade, you go all the way back to the alcohol prohibition to what's going on right now with the cartels. I mean, what how much would it fix if they made all drugs legal how much would it fix? I mean, we we'd have a real problem in the beginning with access where people would there would be so much more access. He'd probably you know, we you would lose people. People would die and high profile overdose cases. And then try to make a deal out of you. Don't think cocaine was legal everywhere that no meth people can get the drugs, right? But it's not that easy for a person. Like, if you don't know anybody who's a criminal like say, if you wanna buy meth now, I don't know where to buy math. I I know if you walmarts in Florida, they make it in the bathroom. I bet you do with that again that is Florida. It's it's different animal. But like right now in America. I mean, I maybe could drum up some method a few days if I started asking, but I would not have any idea who's an informant and who's going to wrap me out. But I think the stats show in states where marijuana has become legal. You don't see significant. Spikes in usage, pairs minutes. There's there's some significant spikes and uses, but the problem is it correlates to a significant spike in population. The state a lot of people moved Colorado just because of marijuana they moved to become a part of the business and because they just wanted to be free. You know, and then California we've had medical wheat forever. Now, we have legal legal weed, and it's I don't think it's changed much here. But you do have there's there's some there's some issues. There's there's definitely I mean, I don't think it's beneficial in any way to sugar coat. The fact that having legal drugs makes people have more access to those drugs means maybe there's going to be a few people, whatever the number is who. Do those drugs who wouldn't have had access to them without? I thought I agree by think it's Dominicus. I it's like, I think and the number of people could who's gonna Tarango like, you know, what I want to try this legal now. My dentist doesn't recommend it. But I feel like who the fuck is going to do then say that. But how many fucking people were on Adderall and the only difference shit the doctors prescribing it tense, really good shit. That's what the president bumps it. Yeah. That's what I hear. You're saying do you think he does he's at least sniffing, and he always, well, here's the I don't think he's on cocaine so middle, and I always describe to people who don't who don't know what this is like people on cocaine start one sentence and then finish another right talking to someone on cocaine or the president. They just but I don't think he's on. But he's always you always hear them with the step. I think he's like bumping Addy. I don't think he's bumping it. But I think he's definitely well he might be. Not. I mean, he's he's a wild, man. But he's definitely got accusations from his past about use of infanta means there was there was a journalist that actually detailed the very Dwayne Reed pharmacy where he used to get this prescription diet medication. Their air quotes diet medication just fucking speed. And look the guy has an exorbitant amount of energy. I mean, it's quite impressive for a man in his seventies. Who eats shit his doesn't exercise and he's always ready to go. I mean when he was campaigning. He didn't seem to ever get tired. He would go and do these campaign events, and he would always be talking and it'd be full of enthusiasm. We're gonna make America. Great again. We're going to build that wall higher. We're going to tell those Chinese listen by the fucker like he was I mean, it's incredible amount of energy. God bless him. So seventy some odd years, it's amazing that you don't have to drug test him. It's amazing you trust players, right. Baseball. Gonna say they're the guys we need to. And what I mean, what does that all if not a performance enhancing drug the one hundred percent talk to journalists. How many journalists will be totally honest about it? They are fucking hooked on outer all and they're very productive with it. Very productive. I tried it once it's wild. Somebody gave me some. I didn't try it. Just sat there and looked at it and go, I don't need that my life. I've been scared coke. I've never done coke never done Atarot. I don't fuck with speed because I can't shut the fuck up already. That is not for me. I need something to calms me down. It makes me feel weird. I feel like I'd be that guy who like does the first time in my heart explodes out of my chest. You'd be scraping me off the roof of the show. You know, if I I right because you're so high energy like Jesus, I'm worried that I would love it. That's what I'm concerned, I'm worried I would love it. And I'd be like okay from here on out. It's all about me. Which marijuana does the opposite marijuana like we can all be cool together. I tried pot. I find finally what happened. I never I never. I never tried it before. But now, I was I was actually years ago. I was in Colorado four twenty backstage at a snoop concert. Oh, jeez. You have to try it. I didn't have to because I was secondhand still. Oh, it's like it's it's like it's like when I go to church with cocoa. I mean, I just hot docs. Really was church cocoa. For people understand what we're saying church of what's happening now podcast with Joey de. That's right. I I didn't mean that I actually went to like a Santa radio sacrifice to chicken. Although we have done that in Miami. When he's out of Miami all bets are off when Joey's down. But like like, I'm in the middle of a story on his podcast fucking for gothi at the end of the story. I I told and I ended it and then only the next day. Did I go I never told them the end of that story in forgot it. But so someone says snoop snoop wants to meet you. He's in his dressing room backstage at this concert, so go fuck. Yeah. I'm gonna go meet super you kidding. So I opened the door to this backstage area. Do you can't see my hand in front of? Fog, foggy like. Windshield wipers my fucking classic. I can't see shit. I'm wandered and I got maybe halfway down the hall. And I was like I can't I can't I can't I turn around. I pulled it out the door. Panting on my heads in these house. I can't do I so I couldn't go back to the next year two years that are I'm back in Colorado number because I was making fun of me because like you went to Colorado and didn't smoke though, that's going to Italy and not eating pasta. You know? I was like, okay. Next time next time. So I go out and try it, and I was like. All I keep saying was I wish I was drunk. I wish I was drunk. I wish I was just I don't know. It was like a bad. I just it was so antisocial. I felt so weird. I felt so sort of introverted, and it was unfortunately, in- like this pot-smoking church in Denver. Yeah. It's like you go, and you can just smoke pot. And it's literally in this old church. They got beautiful paintings on the walls. Crazy, it's trippy. And so I was there, and I tried it. And I was like how much did you smoke? Not a lot to hits two three. Yeah. That's too much. Is that too much? If I was your friend, and your friend. But if I was right next to you at the time, I'd say little baby hit Billy just a little baby. Don't get base like this. That's all I want. And then let's just relax. Don't get credit. Don't take it when it comes back around again. It's too much to God damn strong today. It's not what it used to be. I was in very recently in Austin, Texas and Texas still has regular we'd it's very good weed, but it's regular. Well, you smoke it. And you're like, I'm here. Everything's fine. Telephone you know, long these mother fuckers right here. These little backwoods that Jesus that is not regular. We'd got a glass tip. And that will put you on the fucking moon. Bryan Callen had one hit of it last week. Couldn't drive himself home hours later hours later. He was still here hanging. Got a wig. He had to get my friend Brennan, come and get them. Couldn't dry awesome. It's fucking different shit. So next time. I did it. I did something someone said, you know, what maybe you should try something else. Sativa versus Indiana. I tried it. Second time laugh my ass. I was funny friends. Okay. And I had a fucking blast. So I don't know what I did or shouldn't have done or should do or shouldn't do. But it was I lot of fun. Yes. Tvos more. You're thinking more. It's a little bit. You have a little bit more energy Indika crawshays. You you just like oh my God. I gotta go somewhere and lie down. I can't handle this. It's but it's different for different people's well. But I'll tell you that chick taste damn better. Right. Hate tastes great. I had to tell you hate tastes great. I mean, it's ignorance and hate. But I see what you're saying. Yeah. Thank you to explain to my kids is closed on Sunday. We're driving by how come no one's there. I go because it's the baby Jesus day. Okay. If you really want to celebrate. The baby Jesus though this hear me out. I watch a lot of TBN because I'm a lunatic. And I like I always wondered like if the Jews one television all the time we were on television going like send us money. What would they say about us? But for some reason, I don't know why Jesus needs a lot of money because they're always on TV telling you to send your money to Jesus, right? So I'm thinking if you really want to do something for Jesus Chick-fil-A open on Sunday and donate all of your revenue to Jesus to churches. All the think of the month. Just the after church, crowd alone and everybody would flock, no pun intended. Right to the Chick-fil-A and stock up, and they'd have all their they can even have people volunteer to work those days and donate all your money to Jesus because he apparently needs. I don't know what he needs with it. But he needs a lot of money. Well, I don't know of the Chick-fil-A guys. The people own are of the same ilk as the trinity broadcast network folks because those TBN. N folks. I I don't think you're being mean by saying they're shysters, you know, straight. They're just they're just stealing money from people. I think that Chick-fil-A guys like a legitimately religious person who really truly believes that he's saving the world from gay folk Mary each other. Yeah. Bro. Well, it's not a logical, but they make it God damn good chicken sandwich. Gotcha. Quite quite man. I tell you. I think it's more ignorance in hate, but doesn't rhyme. This ignorance tastes great race. He doesn't mind. But but like, I don't know. And they had this lunatic on he's on all the time. They're paid half hour shows, but this Peter Popoff guy the fucking miracle. Spring water the prosperity prosperity pressures talk about a fucking Bill of goods, man. So you know, that that guy cref low dollar his name is fucking cref light. I'm guessing that's on his Christian name. But it's, but this is evangelical name is he made that name up. I would hope so that was that was the dude you tweeted about him years ago that was the dude who was out in the world getting donations because he needed to update or upgrade his G four to g six, and I was like g six Christ this fucking this guy. It was going to say I need doing it because I need to spread the gospel. And so you need to give me money. So that because my G four just ain't cutting it anymore. I need to operate. I wish I wish she had gotten the seven thirty seven max eight. But that's just me. It's so mazing that that hustle still works the prosperity ones are so gross. Because they go after people that are so poor and destitute that they can't pay their bills. And they tell them if you just send me money, God will pay you back tenfold. And I know what you're saying. You don't have any money. But you do you. Do you take that money you send it to Jesus and Jesus will bring prosperity in your life? And then they have all these folks that are giving testimonials about how I was down on my luck. I didn't have money for rent. I didn't have money for food. But I knew that Jesus needed this money. So sent Jesus the money and Jesus paid me back tenfold. Now, my life is filled with joy and prosperity in my being hateful. When I say that that is what religion preys on the. For the no searching for answers. Yeah. But I think for some people there's like I mean, this is older wiser me, right? When I was younger, I would agree with you a hundred percent. But I think at this point I think there's some benefit to like having community and having this environment where everybody goes to be humbled and everybody goes to agree that they're going to be good people that follow the ethics of Jesus, and he put a little money in the dish. And you know, they have to keep the operation running. And there's I think there's a lot of churches that do a lot of good. But I think for every one or two that do a lot of good. There's these mother fuckers that are just stealing money and drive and Rolls Royce. Chris just hypocrites giant fucking castles that Joel whatever his name is what's that guy's name hosting. Yeah. That's Houston that mother fucker. He owns a huge arena. He they they do the show, and he caught a rash shit. When he didn't let all the hurricane. Victims stay in his place. She he was holed up in his ten million dollar mansion Chinese. It was only ten million not only property. Yeah. Several houses it's just so distorted though the the whole idea of it all so distorted, but I think I think there's a lot of community churches that do a lot of good where they provide people with comfort. I you know, it doesn't necessarily have to make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But it provides them with comfort. I appreciate like, I respect people of faith. I think it must feel wonderful out of know-how feels. But it must be wonderful to believe in something. Like that. So devoutly without any evidence without any indication or proof whatsoever. That what you so firmly believe in is true. But it's the hypocrisy of it that I just can't abide by right like these prosperity guys like the prosperity guys like people who used to have a claim to have some kind of holier than thou. Moral code that. Now think like the pimp presidents cool. It's like, I get it. But like your whole thing was like the Bill Clinton was the biggest Gumbo. In the world. Right. And he needs to be impeached in castrated in, but like, let's have some consistency. It's the policy that I can't abide by some consistency is all well, particularly with Trump because Trump was not a knock on him. But he was a lifelong democrat. I mean, he only really became a Republican. We thought about running for president. Yeah. And he was an independent for a minute. Then he was a democrat again, then he was Republican pure hustle. I mean, the glass has been cleaned and squeegee, and you could see right through it. That's why it works on the eve Anjelica. That's what I'm saying. Their whole just he's he's like the pimp Jolo's hosting like he's like, that's what it is. Well, you've found his hustle. Yeah. And I don't wanna be mean about this. But I think it's accurate that there's there's a level of intellect that just subscribes to that kind of stuff that like I had a friend. She was in the Mormon church for longtime, and she left the church, but she was really honest about it. She said I have a problem that I'm susceptible to bullshit. Like, she susceptive because she grew up a fundamentalist. And so she susceptible to you know, to like yoga type people like who ruse crystals, and the the lights feels like she's susceptible to all that shit, and she would recognize her susceptibility, but she was being really honest about it, you know, that she's like I have a real problem. I grew up believing something that doesn't make any sense. And I believed it wholeheartedly, and she goes and that sort of formulated a big part of how. I ascertained what is accurate in the world. So she's left with these like. Child-like skills of of being able to discern. What's bullshit, and what's hustle? She's like a little kid. I have a great amount of respect for people who grew up in a cult and who can make their way out of it. I mean, Q magin when you're a child yet, your most impressionable, and and your steeped in that that's all you know, like, you don't know that there's an alternate perspective. And and you're able to grow up and say, oh, wait, there's a whole big world out there. Maybe I'm not being told the truth, and that's incredibly powerful it, really hard. I think. Break with the only thinking that you've ever known in your life. I think it's amazing. It's one of the probably one of the hardest things that a grown adult has to do to recognize that the paradigm this framework they've been living their life under is all utter horse shit. It's like I mean, the Mormon one is so crazy too. Because it's like the the results are great. The people are so nice the nicest cult members of all times. But then you go back and look at the actual framework of the religion itself. Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He was fourteen. He like hold on Joseph Smith was fourteen and eighteen twenty when he found golden tablets that contain the loss work of Jesus. And only he could read them because he had a magic rock, but like, that's Judaism and Catholicism. It's all there all the mythological horse shit. But they know who the guy was like I mean, he's so recent to re it's well, that's the thing is no, it's it's like Scientology. It's like, yes, we'll we know it's ally. Scientologists even crazy science fiction. Writer literally was failed a failed science writer terrible failed science fiction writer motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. And one day said, the if you wanna make real money start a religion that is his greatest quote and did it and listen can't knock his hustle people. Want to buy into that? What's amazing? Nineteen. It's still Rockin some westie. I mean, it is even after all those documentaries even up to remedy show. All these things just they go out in the world. They tell everybody it's horsh shit. And then a brand new Scientology center opens in Miami. I'm like seriously hilly. We know we were in new open. We already know some people don't know the people don't know are never gonna. No, that's what it is. It's like you're going if you know if you wanna put it in a money like some people have one hundred dollars some people have five dollars, and this is like intellectually some people have a lot of room to work with some people don't they just their brain doesn't work as good just like some people have poor genetics when it comes to their ability to run fast. Some people have really shitty, brain development genetics. Let me ask you this. Because obviously, you would have sympathy for someone who is taking advantage of her swindled the fish of a con con person. How much sympathy do you have for the gleefully ignorant or the willfully ignorant? Meaning like the information. Is there? It's available before I give Scientology my money. I could just I don't know Google it. How much sympathy do you have for the willfully ignorant people who who sort of it's like the fucking dude from airplane? They bought the tickets. They knew what they were getting into nice say let him crash, you know, like, well, I'm a big fan of willy de from the ghetto, boys. And he has a quote that I always like to use. You gotta let a Hobie ho. In. I think in that sense. Like, you gotta let dummies get fleeced is just part of part of it is there for us to see part of it is there for you to go what they gave away all their money ship. Like, there's something to that it benefits us like I'm not a fan of these videos where kids try to skateboard off the side of a building. And they slip and fall and land on their head. And everybody's like oh shit. But but those videos serve a purpose. And that purpose is not everybody gets to do the hand stand on the side of the building and survive some people fall in the land in their fucking head and they're never the same again. And then they're left with a third graders IQ for the rest of their life. That's real man. So as George carlin's bit about the kid who swallows the most marbles doesn't get to grow up and have kids of his own. That's how it's supposed to work. Unfortunately, at sucks if it's your kid. It's all of us are experiencing this life together. And there's some folks that are just they're going to do a shitty job of it. And part of me thinks that because there is no utopia, right? There is no enlightened people. There's no one civilization. That's got. It all nail. Then everybody gets along together. And everyone's totally fine with every single choice. Everybody makes because everyone waffle house. That's that's a utopian. It's close depending on how drunk you off. Because of that. I think we operate under. This this weird system where you've got to see the failures in order to recognize that failures possible. I think there's a his actual community benefit to people fucking up, and there's some community benefit to people getting fleeced. Listen, I I always say that first of all I don't believe anybody that says any artist or anybody out out in the world, creating something and putting it out there for people to react to it. I don't believe anyone who. Says they don't read their reviews so their own reviews. I read all of the reviews, and I I read the bad ones twice. That's where you learn the most they could be right that could be wrong. But I feel like I you just it's where you fuck up that like, you you learn the most from it. And I think I feel like it's a white man in America all the time. I have to keep myself in check the way, you were describing earlier about how like, you know, what if you just come to realize that maybe the world isn't exactly the way, you perceive it and that maybe there's a lot of other people who have very different experiences from the ones that you have. And so maybe the reality of the world is is different for those people. Sure, and you can be a more enlightened person by being more empathetic and trying to understand those perspectives trying to walk a mile in their shoes. And I just feel like. I've learned so much more from the mistakes that I made the failures that I've had certainly than any of the successes. I I in my home. I have no I have movie posters, but they're like arts or other people's movies. I've none of my own movie posters at home. That's that's that's at the office. That's not what home is for you know, except I had one for a while. I'd one poster of one of my movies that I hung in the bathroom over the toilet. Because it was my least favorite. And I just wanted to be reminded every like that that was the time. I took a shit, you know, like for the world to see, and I hung it over. It's either for a number of years. It's not there anymore. But like, I just I just I wanted to remind myself of it, you know, you're smart guy, you take motivation and failures. I mean, that's what failures are really good for when you fail at something. There's there's a benefit to that that you you go God that sucked. I don't ever wanna suck again. Like, let me figure out a way to not suck. Look, I always say that with about comics like when we bomb that is it's a terrible feeling. But it's the best opportunity for growth because you realize like, hey, I obviously didn't do a good job. I need to figure out what the fuck. I did wrong and Batten down the hatches and get this ship right because I can't experience out again, I became a comedy fan in no small part because I have been to shows where I've seen some of the biggest funniest guys bomb, and I'm like Jesus short of being a soldier or a cop like a stunt, man. This is one of the most dangerous self destructive jobs. Like, it's it requires such bravery, and such str- strength of soul and thickness of skin that like, I went fucking Vegas. Dislike two thousand. And Saul Carlin big beautiful room sat like front row. It was weird. Because like the stage was like a wall like I was sitting against the fucking stage. And I had to look up Carlin shoe would pass like right in front of my I just above my I line, and he was doing material for one of his last specials, and it was the one I think might him the second to last he had that whole bit about like he doesn't believe in God. But like he believes in like shit that he can see and he's afraid of like the saunder Joe patchy lying that whole bit. And he was in this big old God fearing crowd there in in Las Vegas, and they they were not about this. They were not about not one odor not one little bit. And he's trucking back and forth doing it. The fucking crickets fucking crickets packed house sold out on the only one laughing in the room just me in this giant room. Thing at my ass off. And I'm all by myself. And I'm at some point I turned I stopped laughing long enough for ticket breath to take a drink. Right. And it looked out. And then I looked back up at the stage and Coralline is right there. He's like hunched over with his head like dangling off the stage like practice, and I look up and a practically nose to nose with Carlin, and he goes, thank you, sir. And just. Walks away, stocking the set the stage, and I was like oh my God. And I saw I was at the improv. It miami. When when they had the one at the number of the the hard rock, I guess, they're redoing it or whatever fucking places death. I was like I was like, man. They say what did they say the floor? The that's the Hollywood one though. Yeah. Hollywood seminal. Oh, yeah. Good. The bad. One was Miami. The Miami grow grow that was. Yeah. But but the, but no it was cool. But then now it's got like a little does the whole fucking place. They're supposed to be remodeling or rebuilding at the Seminole hard rock. Like, I always say what's the saying that like? In a casino. The house always wins. I'm like these Indian casinos the only place where like the house never wins. Because as a matter how much money you lose their we still like rape their women and stole their countries. So like, the least you could do is like drop a little coin at the Indian casino. And that's what I would do. I'd go play. That was the only place that is the only place they had blackjack in south Florida. So you can go there and play blackjack, but they bulldoze the improv. And I was there one night. Gilbert Godfried was there, and I was literally the only person laughing, but like in pain like I was in pain laughing, and it was just brutal. And like, and I've been in these rooms or like these, and and I was just like these the funniest people that I know, and it's happened time and time again, and I've been just shows where they killed and I've been to shows where they died, and I was like, this is amazing. This is so amazing. It's like the if the fact that anybody gets back onstage after that after a night. Like that is just it's remarkable to me. I have nothing. I. Such respect for that say the bomb in his like sucking thousand Dicks in front of your mother, but not really because somewhere out there. There's a guy who loves sucking dick in front of his mother. And if you put another nine hundred ninety nine he wouldn't be that sad. But no one wants in front of their mother. No one wants to bomb period. It's just terrible. It's a ruthless experience. It's it's it just rips you down and enshrines all your self worth. Makes you feel terrible. But again, some of my best growth periods in my career have come after eating shit. You spike realize like. You've got to go to work. You can't be complacent. And that's one of the things that fuels and motivates me to this day. I'm terrified a bombing. So I'll just keep anything I can use to make me work harder. I use the six years since I did my shittiest work have been like. For me, artistically creatively. The most productive, and like I feel finally after twenty years of making documentaries that I might be doing like my best work like, but it took that fucking long. And it took basically almost six years from totally bombing. You know to for me to feel like I I hid rock bottom. And then have spiked better than better than before. You've done some documentaries with some dangerous people in them, you know, obviously, Griselda Blanco's, probably one of the most dangerous people on earth while she was alive. And in this you also touch on that. I mean, there's a lot of these people are fucking sketchy, folks. And you're exposing how stupid their activity were does that does that ever creepy out get nervous like 'cause you're making these documentaries mocking these people and rightly so, but it's not cocaine Cowboys. We'll really mocking more exposing. But this one is like openly mocking. This one's really good, man. Really funny, and it comes out March twenty ninth. Yes, sir. Fry and April fifth on VOD. Yeah. Well, this one's this one's top. Because this is like a fresh wound on Netflix marched windows. Theaters, March twenty nine okay and VOD April fifth, so like I tunes Amazon review on your cable box. Release. You're going to get in the theaters starting off with twelve cities on Friday, the twenty ninth. And then I mean. Oh, yeah. For sure the Lumley music hall. Oh, three grand. And then we're also I think San Francisco. Boston Miami Orlando. This twelve cities, and then depending on how well it does. It's being put up by Greenwich entertainment who just won the Oscar for free solo over best documentary. So they know what they're doing. And like I said, hopefully, people will go see it, and listen, I hope it's a comedy. I think it's common. It's a com we tried to make it. Chin-ups of. So what the fuck man that fucking guy. The Tanner what's his name again Twitter for sure porter the guy like what I just imagine. If you've got one of those guys in your life, and he's just stuck in your life like shit. How do I get this fucking guy out of my life? And the fact that he borrowed money from this guy and then did loan money. We'll loan money to this. Yeah. Puerto loaned it to Tony. Oh, borrowed money. This order and then didn't pay him. And that's what caused this whole thing. It is Alex Rodriguez has got to be pulling his fucking hair. What in the fuck and Alex was paying everybody. So it was MLB. I mean, everyone was running amok in Miami. Like just hiring private investigators running people down Alex Rodriguez, actually, this is an in the documentary. But when these convicted felons stole the stolen documents from Puerto Fisher who had stolen the documents from Tony Bosch. They set him up in this whole. Absurd looking tanning salon heist or they're like, hey, why don't you go in and try this new spray tan colored? It's Trumpian orange goes go try it on and while he's in the fucking spray tan machine, they opened his car and steal these documents which has had these client lists of all these famous baseball players, including the highest paid baseball player in the world a-rod. And so they steal it. And then they turn around and sell these stolen documents to major league baseball for cash. Some MLB has this ragtag band of misfits. These this internal F B I like their own internal investigations division that they created after the Balch oh steroid scandal. They're running amok. They are seducing, nurses, former nurses from Tony Bosch is clinics. They are literally in diners with convicted felons handing over bags of cash from some MLB slush fund. I don't imagine. They were going to ten ninety nine. The guy, and I don't know where this cash came from one hundred twenty five grand. And what they did was is that the felon who was doing. It had a buddy at a neighboring table at this diner with his cell phone recording video recording this transaction. And then he turned around and went to a Rod's camp and said, I'll sell you a video of me, selling known stolen documents. Everybody knew these documents were stolen gem. We'll be buying these stolen records stolen evidence in the state of Florida Department of health investigation for cash from felon at some point. He gets like freaked out and nervous, and he deletes this video off the hard drive. He winds up selling a-rod a blank hard-drive for six figures. Okay. And a rod sends us hard-drive Herod's people send this hard drive around the world to like data recovery services to try to get this video back. So, unfortunately, the felon didn't get his second six-figure payment. Because that was that was the first six years where against the recovery of the got like two three hundred grand to sell a rod a blank hard-drive an Iraj dropping money on private investigators who were like having car-chase it through south Miami. It was just totally crazy. It's like, I always say like you come down to the swamp and roll around you're gonna get some mud on you. So when MLB came down to two Miami one of the guys Jerome hill, the former Baltimore cop turned Florida Department of health investigator. He he says unequivocally that major league baseball's investigators broke the law in the state of Florida and should have been prosecuted for it and held accountable for it. And never and never were. I mean, it's good to be a multi billion dollar monopoly. How old was a rod when the scandal broke a rod was definitely towards the end of his career. And so that's the interesting thing about let's be real. I don't give a shit about steroids in baseball. And this era of steroids in baseball was not the same as the other. You know, the Barry Bonds, you know, kinda era steroids in baseball. These were not guys with next the size of my waist or microdosing. They were microdosing, and it was HGH into stock stroke and a lot of these guys. I mean, listen their livelihoods are contingent upon your physical performance. And so you got to play like, what is it a hundred sixty two games and one hundred and eighty days, it's the most physically grueling schedule of any of the of the professional sports and guys have always been looking for an edge in the nineteen fifties. The Yankees were going out the Copacabana all fucking night parallel K, who's an Atarot issue with baseball's. Well, absolutely. A disproportionate number of baseball players compared to the general population on Admiral. That's that's what I said. It's a performance, of course, dancing truck, but you had guys like Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford and Billy Martin partying all night at the Copacabana. They have to make a one PM game. Maybe even a doubleheader they're doing Greenies. They're doing 'em Fettah means it's always been a part of of of baseball is finding that edge. Now, you guys who were just looking to maybe recover a little faster. From from injuries or fatigue. You're looking for guys who are looking to maintain peak performance for a Malonga period than than their bodies might have otherwise allowed. Is it that big of a deal? I don't know. It's not an it. It's it's a weird deal. It's a weird thing that we have an issue with like you've look if they did the same sort of stringent testing with NFL players you'd find out that everyone's on stone. That's just a fact you don't get people that big, and they do catch him every now, and then, but I feel like it's like one of those things where like, you know, how the drug cartels, they'll let some drug drug shipments. Get busted. So that the other ones will get through. I almost feel like that's what they do with with NFL players. Get caught like, oh, look, we're we're we're testing because somebody to that's what that's what this was with a rod, bud. C-league league is the steroid Commissioner full stop. That's about online. His tenure was marked by the famous, Barry derby or Mark Warren. Sammy sosa. Absolutely. So he knowingly I believe exploited in profited from that Arab baseball that really saves them after ninety four. Players strike in baseball look at the size of those guys where they started. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so many of them they literally documentary we morph them from like before and afternoon 'cause there it was the turn into fucking baseball monsters snacking bowls to Guantanamo for Chris. What's interesting to me is as some people recovered from that stuff, and some people did not Jose can Saco never recovered. He never recovered in the public eye does. And that's why he so pissed. That's why the at fucked up when you're when you're the pioneer and something people really and do they had a street named after him in in Miami. Yeah, they quietly took that shit down in the middle of the night. After decades of naming that street from he was just totally humiliated and think it's also because he routed out a lot of guys today ride a-rod leat names to try to distract or diffuse. But did hang out a book yet. But like, it's the public nature of Canseco's book. It's like, I don't know. I'm just guessing but his book. Was like his book turn out to be like the. They can Seko's book about stories turn out to be like the Steele dossier baseball. It's like everybody thinks is pissed and things is a bunch of bullshit. And then over time it's proven true run at the end. There's a p tape. Yes. I think that for hope that's that is a good way of looking to right because like think about the outrage when Clinton guns dick, suck by Monica Lewinsky and compare it to Donald Trump have at least two women that we know about where he paid off the fucked and people like ask the jails where those stand on all the man it was before the man found Christ. Rice with a lot of them. Maybe find crises, and I was watching the documentary where there was a guy who was some some Christian guy who was saying this all of these accusations or before he was born because he was born in the eyes of Christ when he accepted Christ in his life. I guess when he was running for president so twenty paid off stormy like the night before the but after that, then it became Jesus after so after nine eleven. Oh. Stormy like when when did you day before the election? Her too because I feel like she thought like this going to go all in on this. And then she lost a court case against him. So she owes his legal fees three hundred grand. He was crazy. Is she going to get that? And now she's trying to do stand up. Yeah. I mean. A lot of jobs. She's trying to craft. She's trying to do stand up. I think she's not. Yes. She is in Houston, Texas. They were calling her the Queen of clap back that is Lena the clap no-no clapback. Okay, clapback. She's say something bad about her. She's gonna come after you even worse that clapback expression. Like someone Kim Kardashian claps back critics like like that is the dumbest I cannot wait for that one to fuck and dry up and go away not Kim Kardashian that expression like Twitter insult comic kind of shtick. But clapback they're calling it when someone has something to say about someone saying something about them, that's clapping back. But how does that translate to stormy Daniels doing standup? How can you do stand up out of clap Bax while they were calling her the Queen of clapback? She's going to stand up again. I mean who knows maybe she's laris. Just don't take it seriously. I mean, you never fucking. No. I mean as a comic, I leave the door open for all possibilities. But being a just means to me that she got the situation where she thought she probably was told by everybody. Look, hey, you're gonna win this. He's going to pay you off you're gonna everyone's going to know that you told the truth and people are gonna pay for your interviews. And man, but this is America's he's broke supply and demand Connie like if she can make more money stand up comedy is hard work if she can make more money just spinning on a pole. But like why because she's got probably a bad hips. She's like inner fifties. Or something isn't she? I don't know this older lady. She's not young man. She's not young. Housing. She's only forty Jesus. Okay. I'm sorry. Stormy. Don't clap back at me. I thought she was older. Ideas meal. Hard life, bro. It's but that thing is that we everyone's so used to it. Now, it's like not that big a deal. It's like, even if a new accusation came out people like. Like, remember, the New York Times report about Trump? We're talking about shady business dealings, and they thought I mean, they spent years we ender. Yeah. Totally didn't do a damn thing in and out just office shoulder, it's problematic, and I'll tell you why. It's what I call the the new American values. It's to me what I think screwball is about in the end. Meaning like, yeah, it's fun. And it's funny, and it's a forest. It's a romp. You laugh, but I think that there's a conversation to be had about what I call the new American values, which are lie cheat and steal and be get rich or get ahead, and these values that we're teaching our children now, not honesty integrity. Tell the truth do unto others as you'd have done unto. You the golden rule. We're now showing them be a bully. Lie cheat and steal. And you could be the biggest highest paid baseball player of all time lie cheat and steal. And you could be the Commissioner of major league baseball Liging steel, and you two kids can be president of the United States. And I think this toxic toxic city of the new American values is going to do damage for generations. And we're not going to be able to fully comprehend or understand or analyze the damage. It's done for some for some time. And it was like after Clinton Clinton redefined what sex meant, and we were Dulcie could laugh at it. But the truth is is that he said Orel sex wasn't sex. Okay. And we saw the spike in sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers and young people mostly through oral sex because they said, oh, well, the president said really that. Absolutely. Yeah. That talk about a health. Yeah. It was it was a legitimate public health crisis us, you saw following the Clinton Lewinsky scandal, you saw an increase in sexually transmitted diseases through oral sex amongst younger people because the president it's hard for us because we see the president right now is sort of a comic as he sort of. It's it's you know, he's a reality show president. We know it's bullshit. But what do you tell kids? This is the president of the United States. This. It was or was it because there was so much discussion about him getting his dick suck that more. People wanted to suck Dicks and get their dick sucked. I think without question. Obviously, the the size and scale of coverage unquestioned army. Well. People people for a while people thought, let's I say people I'm telling younger people developing minds impressionable youths were under the impression that you could not get a sexually transmitted disease. Through through something that wasn't sex. And that the president reset those values just like this president, I feel is re calibrating our values. And I think that that's that's what's most I mean other than the potential of nuclear war. I think I think that is what is most dangerous, and what could could cause the most long term damage from. This is these new American values lie cheat and steal. I was literally at Acuna with one of the kids. The little kid Ryan Blanco who plays. Tony Bosch in the movie, the lab coat in the the hair. He's amazing kids. He's celerion. And so they're all great. And he said I was out of CUNY. And I was like, you know, what lessons did we learn from this movie? And he this is where I got this from he interrupted he's ten years old. And he's like, oh, I know. I know I'm like, Brian you have to raise your hand. It's your Q and A to dude, you're you're on the panel. And he's like lie cheat and steal and to win or something like that. And I was like oh fuck this kid's ten years old. And I'm like, this is what he thinks the values of America are. Well, it's interesting because in the documentary, one of the big things, the news clippings is George Bush discussing steroids in baseball in two thousand and four was the two thousand state of the union, and he was talking about how it sends the wrong. Message that cheating in baseball sends the wrong message to the youth America. And there's I thought that was silly. At the time. I was like fuck and message. But the reality is those. Things do have a ripple effect. And if you tell people that the way to become the superstar athlete is not just through hard work, and dedication, but also through taking things that are legal because they're going to pump you up and give you an edge on your competitors were shortcut society. Yeah. So we look for those those tricks of the trade show or always, and we and we don't believe necessarily when people do achieve something naturally. Revile hardwork. Let it what did he do? What did she do what you really do some of those shortcuts work like at all like steroids? They fucking work, man. You know, the US's had a giant problem with them for a long time. And it was exacerbated by this time period in the early two thousands where they allowed people I guess it wasn't quite the early two thousands. It was actually later in the two thousands were they allowed people to take a executives to stash drone under therapeutic use exemptions. They would call TRT. And so this famous like the. Vitor Belfort era when he was on TRT start smashing people because you look so ridiculous. He was so jacked and that during that time period, they they fell into this. There was a sort of a a really a piss poor way of justifying it the justification ones. These people have low testosterone low testosterone is disease. If we give them testosterone, they could perform better, but the way around that was these guys were actually on steroids. The steroids crashed their testosterone go and get a test. Look, my testosterone low like, Yep. You need testosterone. And then they would take steroids essentially, not stores, but testosterone which has similar effects, and and then eventually the UFC said, look we fucked up we're going to go hundred degrees. The other one hundred eighty degrees. The other way and higher you Sada, and we're gonna we're going to crawl up everyone's ass with a microscope. We're going to find out what the fuck is up and men bodies changed career. Fears crumbled Baiming we saw so many people get busted in the beginning. So many people get caught and still getting a TJ Dilshad just got caught who's a bantamweight champion. Just just relinquished his belt for some. I don't know what he got caught four on what the circumstances were and some people have been caught for accidental contamination because there's a lot of different supplements, you could buy even creating standard stuff, that's totally legal to take. But they they're contaminated because you're buying them from cheap. Sources they make them in China. When have you that was the problem with this biogenesis thing is first of all Tony Bosch who wore lab coat had a staff the scope till there is called himself. Dr T said Dr Tony body Belise, which I think I am to have to check my Email. A medical school is Dr Pepper, Dr Drey. I'm a ordain minister just so, you know, I've actually married people. That's leaked. Yeah. I'm a legally ordained minister got it online. Tony Bosch despite. Attended what one of our interview subjects refers to the belief school of the medical and performing arts. Okay. To get a doctorate. He was never licensed physician in the United States. And he was yet. He had legitimate. Prescription pads D numbers from doctors that he could then prescribe these drugs, and in fact, one to go one step further like we're talking about the pill mills and actually sell them in house to his clients and was buying them in the black market from some dude in a suburb of Miami making the shit in his garage. So that's problematic. Well, you know, here's one that's problematic. That's kind of weird doctors of chiropractic like, you know, they don't go to medical school. And they some of them mood. Check this check. If this is true can chiropractors right prescriptions. I don't think that they can. I think some of really I think in some places they can write prescriptions set like in Tennessee. You're really weird. Where's that thing? Says no says they can't I guess some of them could be doctors though. Highly doubt jesmyn year right now don't ever about that. I went to a chiropractor. I've been to them. Yeah. I thought they were real until I started reading about how it actually got a lot of people out there that are chiropractor say I do a lot of good for people. I'm sure you do there's a lot of good therapies that chiropractors also offer so do churches, but the the actual evidence that manipulating people, especially your neck that it does any good at all there's none and it actually has killed people. People have died from having the neck manipulated. Well, I I felt a lot lighter at the car measured by about four hundred dollars. It's true. I mean, they do a lotta shit cold laser and massage and stuff that does work. But if you look at the, you know, it was invented by guy was a magnetic healer who was murdered by his own son, his own son, murdered them ran over him with a car and then took over the business. Sounds like a sun high musical it does crazy. It's and it was all in like, the hundreds and we've had it for so long that people most people didn't look into it and say, well, what is this? What is the science of this? This guy thought that he could cure everything including blindness leukemia cancer from Justin your back this premise was based on house. I came from a seance, and now there's no more blindness or leukemia cancer causing, but there are still chiropractors that buy into that same idea that they can cure things that it's not just you're dealing with pain. Right. And if the manipulate you they can relieve pay, no, they can cure you of certain ailments because of your spine being aligned incorrectly. And they're gonna just it. It's popping you just like this. Just like you do that with your fingers when you crack your knuckles. That's it's the same thing. It's re release of nitrogen or something. I don't not exactly show what causes the crime, but like legitimate. Yeah. But I don't see. Did you see anything? No, okay. Maybe I'm wrong with them being Bill. Right. Brock options. I'll tell you that Tony Bosch could not write prescriptions. But he was doing he was doing it. Anyway, or irregardless as doing it? Right. You're on our list regardless we say we say regardless of Miami. Because we're we're illiterate. But I use it. You're ironically, though, so, but I I think he might have swiped pad from his doctor who from his father was legitimate a legitimate dock, and so he's forging his dad's. Yeah, any had hit, you know, what they called medical directors. That's harder. These the whole anti-aging scheme really prospered in the state of Florida as you can imagine. And in no small part because there's a lot of doctors who from all over the country retired Florida, but they are still medical doctor. So you have guys like twenty Bosh entrepreneurial. With an entrepreneurial spirit who want to open up these anti aging clinics, and they knew what's called a medical director. So they go to a legitimate doctor, and they say, hey, kind of rent us. We'll put your name on the business. You'll get a cut of the action, and they're basically renting out their prescription pad and DA number. So that guys these other operators who in this case identify them so falsely as doctors can exploit that that power of the prescription pad. And so that's what was happening here and more problematic. He started treating high school kids Ono, and whose parents and baseball coaches had heard about him through word of mouth and brought these kids to him to get an advantage. You know, we have a big immigrant community. Obviously. In in Miami. We have a lot to huge baseball community. I'll be people who are smuggled specifically into the country for the purpose of playing baseball and signing those big guaranteed contracts right out of high school. And so you have parents and kids and coaches looking. For every advantage. We're going to this guy. They weren't hearing about him in the high school locker room, these were coaches, and parents who are bringing their parents to you might say a guy who they presumed was a real doctor. But nonetheless, looking to cheat, you know, to gain the system, and that's problematic. When you have this guy who knows he knows he's not a doctor. But he was a true believer in himself. He really thought he was helping people and listen the proof in the pudding. This guy could not exploit traditional advertising, he wasn't doing billboards and TV ads. He just he was strictly word of mouth. So he had clients who were getting results, including nearly one hundred cops who were referring their friends to his clinics. So these parents came to him looking for help help for their kids and those kids are are victims. Yeah. Well, that's for sure. This the last thing you want to do to a kid, especially one that doesn't have any sort of real hormonal ailment is to inject exogenous hormones into their body it fucks their brain up emotions their entire inconsistent crashes afterwards. Causes depressions released a suicide and a lot of kids. And depending what you're doing you them. You could also be risking their offspring potential offspring short. Yeah. You could be killing their sperm. Yeah. You definitely can you have a disproportionate amount of. I mean in the steroid use population of. Autism childhood cancer, horrible, horrible things that happened to the children of people who are who are on some of these drugs. I think a lot of the folks that are looking at it in terms of a career in baseball or in any other sport where they could benefit they go. Hey, this is the price that I have to pay in order to excel at this extraordinary avenue for financial gain will Tony was treating Manny Ramirez. And when he was in Boston and low testosterone, you know, he was getting on in the years and Bosch started treating put him out a protocol as he called it. Take the, you know, x amount of why substance, etc. At this time each day microdosing as you said, so it wouldn't any event that they were randomly tested wouldn't be detected. I don't know if that worked or not or he was giving him placebos on certain days. I don't know what the the scheme was. But Manny starts to come back. Again. I don't know if it was psychosomatic or he really was actually performing better. And that's when he got his dodgers deal was like a forty million dollar deal in theoretically. Thanks in no, small part to this guy. Who was who was juiston, and that's an unmanned. He gets busted pisses dirty after surprise tests before a game because according to Bosch, he didn't take the micro dose on precisely the instructions that he had given them so pissed Hertie. And as a result of the what you would assume negative publicity from Manny getting busted. And then connecting it to Tony Bosch in Miami. That was the word of mouth that got a Rod's cousin to come to Bosch and say, hey, you should meet my cousin. He's playing this game in Tampa come up in and meet him. And it turns out that it's Alex Rodriguez. It's just amazing that someone who made as much money as Alex Rodriguez has knuckleheads like that. Who can't see the future because if I was friend. I'd be like hold on. Hold on. Hold on. He's already been busted, dude. Listen to me. They're looking at them. They're watching no nine. Yeah. You while they weren't even weren't even. They don't listen baseball is like everything else in American life, including politics. It's the WWE. Okay. When bud C-league the steroid Commissioner was on his way out the door, literally on the eve of retirement, and he's like, you know, what I need to look like I'm doing something about this. Because I got a great big fat asterik by my name in you know, in the record books here. Like all these players do the steroid era. I need to look like I did something on my way out the door. So he calls his second. In command. Rob Manfred says let's. Let's do something about this. And they'd go after the biggest scalp you can in the game Alex Rodriguez. And so when they needed Alex is the he'll that was the story line. Okay. So they nail Alex. Alright. You know, the Vince McMahon of the game bud Sealy goes took care of them retires. Rob Manfred who was in charge of this whole botched quasi-legal operation investigation biogenesis, and and Alex gets the top gig. And is now the Commissioner of baseball. And he goes, you know, it'd be a good story line. Now, what if I bring a rod and Pete Rose back as commentators? Oh, gee did for a Rodney Pete Rose were working together? By the way, they were damn good. They married. Damn good television, dude. And as commentators until Pete Rose got in trouble again, they axed him. But now you've got rob Manfred. Who basically put it all on the line and era who put it all on the line fighting each other in this battle of the legacies with bud Seelig now, they're posing with jaylo out at nightclubs and stuff because that's the new storylines story. Let you know one day you're the heal the next day. You're the hero. Heals your whatever whatever, and they're just selling everybody this Bill goods that this is all real really have a picture that was him with the mentors body center. Centar is a real. So this is I don't know if this is a pocketful or real, I know people who've been the apartment and claim to have seen it. The problem is is I don't I don't know if they're telling the truth, they're like kind of like fueling the apocryphal tale. So. We want to believe I wanna believe that's the problem. We all want to believe. So so I mean spoiler alert we fuck in. We did it. We put it in their kids. Stay something. Just larry. Yes. We did is hilarious the kid who plays. A rod is a fucking amazing. It's a light is he's as well. It's just his is like when these I don't want to give too much away. But making the funny faces and courts like fucking hilarious. I mean, so good. I was just laughing. I was like this is so ridiculous to know that this is all something that really happened to tell you we've been we've been at this making documentaries for like twenty years now almost end. So this is the most as ridiculous and fucking absurd. Is this is it is the most meticulously researched documentary we have ever done why we're dealing with some very powerful litigious. Yes. Individuals and organizations. So we knew we had to get this hundred percent, right. Not to mention the way we shot this onset on location for ten days. We had the playback on the set. So we were committed to this dialogue. Right. And so we had to make sure we went into tained transcripts that were never released publicly. Of sworn testimony in the case to be able to cross check some of the stuff that we were told and we're going to put in the documentary, and we just I mean, we actually shot at some of the actual locations in Miami. Where these real events took place the fountain live at the fountain blue hotel, you know, the nightclub the sports grill in south Miami. The Ritz Carlton Key Biscayne, we actually took the kids. They're put the facial hair on put the fucking cop uniforms on and the pinstripes on and we just film them all over town. What's funny about about it in Miami? No one look twice at us. No, one thought anything of just running around little kids with beards and mustaches in gray hair and the flattens scene where they're looking for the blood in the nightclub. We lost a vile. I'm like what in the? Fuck in fact, that he drew his blood in the bathroom and then loss of like Jesus Christ. It was so crazy. I was just watching shaking my head like this is all real this is how this went down that guy was worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars. How much oh four over four hundred million was his gross revenue just in baseball. And he just had knuckleheads. I mean, the fact that he was like willing to keep this guy around him. He grew up in Miami. That's when you surround yourself with when you when you grow up in Miami. And that scene was I mean that scene we had all those kids like all the extra kids partying shoutout to my director photography BG goal. Nikki did a hell of a job that was getting shoot a great documentary. All your shits. Great thing. I'm big fan of all your stuff. But this one's particularly silly. You should come down to Miami. You should we're doing. I'm almost embarrassed to say it. I just mentioned earlier we turn cocaine Cowboys into a stage play. Yeah. You are. Saying that before we started. And I'm like, what are you doing? How do you should come? It's on a musical come down. And and he's called confessions of a cocaine cowboy you might remember in the documentary. There was a hitman or hey review who he worked for LA, Nina, the godmother, Griselda Blanco. And when we first started researching the doc in two thousand four we obtained a seven volume thirteen hundred page deposition that he gave and normally in Adecco, you're like the answer's like, yes. No. Yes. No. I don't remember. You know, don't recall this was like he was a cooperating witness against Griselda in in in Miami Dade County. State of Florida was a three capital murder charges of three death penalties. Talking old sparky cases and the electric chair, and so he was cooperating witness. So it read like a monologue. It read like a reading it and going onto new world school the arts high school is where I studied theater. So I was reading a lot of plays. And I was like oh shit. This. This would. Be like a great play and fifteen years later, we turned it into confession of a coking confessions of cocaine cowboy and you said, it's kind of funny. So. Someone described. Oh shit. Yeah. My producing partner on that John Sierras from formerly spoiler alert. He's not on the show anymore. This character got into some trouble Queen of the south on USA. He's he's brilliant in the show. And so my producing partner David sipc in describes it who co cocaine Cowboys and edited edited it with me he's described as a cross between cocaine Cowboys and my Twitter feed. That's how he described it. So like, it's a little reverent. It's obviously a little absurd. If you're going to put kind of cocaine Cowboys is alive theater event. So we kind of acknowledged the absurdity of it and the the the surreal exploitation of it and. The guy Michelle Housman who's the director of the play at Miami New drama at the colony theater in Miami Beach on Lincoln road. He said he said, why are we doing cocaine Cowboys for the theater in two thousand nineteen and I was like it's a good question because like speaks to the relevance of like why do this now? And I said, well, if you take away from the documentary, you take away the drugs in the money. It's really a story about. Imigrants children and gun violence. That's what it's about. And what could be more relevant in the contemporary conversation, then immigration, children and gun violence. And so ultimately I wanted to make a story about the Miami of yesterday. But the America today like I said the Miami of today's the America tomorrow. So here's a story about Miami in the nineteen eighties. But it really resembles the America of today. And so to do that we had to not make it totally fucking depressing. Disturbing we injected a lot of humor and a lot of a reverence in into it. The woman's Elam and Dozo who plays Griselda Blanco also plays the state attorney. So she has his dual role as sort of these dueling antagonists against Rivi, the hitman, and it's just a, you know, I was writing it with a friend orange squire this great TV writer and play both roles because I felt that they were. Flip sides of the same coin. I think this state attorneys an interesting character different close. Oh, yeah. She chained in has has different hair. And in fact, the performances are so different. And the voices are so different than Zillah. Does some people after the show would be like, oh my God. She was amazing. Zillow was amazing is. Griselda Blanco who's the actress that plays the state attorney, Kathy? And we're like a we won't tell some weird. They'll don't last time. I heard of that being done effectively was a Mars attacks. When Jack Nicholson played anybody how the press. Oh, yeah. I like Mars attacks. Great. These real underrated. Does Tim Burton hugely under amazing scored that I I don't know like especially now, I feel like it really holds up. I still go act act that. Talking about related thing for pastas. It's I love that movie. People love it. I love my God. They're crazy. It's great. It's holds up man. I watched intellect two years ago and holds up. It's wonderful really is. That's interesting though, that you chose to use the same woman. Did you think about that for a while you have another woman you always wanted to do it from the beginning? Yeah. I just I I the strange relationship with the state attorney in in Miami Dade County. She's been the state attorney for about twenty six years now. And when she was first elected she was like the first Cuban state attorney in the state of Florida very ambitious. She was she's been the only state attorney we've had since Janet Reno left us for the Clinton administration. Oh, that's how long she's been stated journey. So now, she has one of those records where you examine it. And you say, okay, what's actually happening in this town when people say to me like is Miami so fucking corrupt. Why why does corruption grow- grew get a greater and wider than fucking oranges in in Miami. And the reason is. When you have the top cop and town does not affectively enforce public corruption laws in does not pursue public Russian. You have an area where it's just you send a message of impunity. That's the bottom line. You know? No trouble arresting innocent, young black kids on drug charges or whatever. But like when it comes to enforcing public corruption. She's just non existent. And so what happens is you have an end. Of course, it it's like the broken windows theory of crime, if you allow petty corruption to to to go eventually some of these politicians wind up literally in a closet at city hall accepting bags full of money. And the only thing we've been able to rely on to some extent is the feds coming in and trying to help. But you have a state attorney who has never in her twenty six years in office charged a police officer for non duty killing. Whoa. Despite a proliferation of these incidents. So it's not like, it's it's not happening as often the incidents have exploded. In the reason the incidents have exploded is because police know that they'll get away with it because Kathy will not prosecute them. So the message that's being sent is a dangerous one, and it is created a toxic effect with relationship between obviously police, and and and the citizens that they're supposed to be protecting and serving and it's it's creative or dangerous situation in the city. And it's also created a situation where just like mayor after mayor just gets away with pure fuck ary. Oh, yeah. And that's that's not as sexy answer people like Why's Miami? So corrupt people want some sort of sexy answer. And I say well when the top cop is the same person for twenty six years, if you're looking at something if you want to know what's wrong in a community or with anything. You don't look at what changes. I mean. Mayors come and go police chiefs, come and go commissioners. Come and go. Killers. Come and go, criminals, come and go you look at the Constance. You say what's been the same here for twenty six years? That's got to be the problem and sure shit. That's that's the problem. So I wanted to make a statement about the state of Miami today and say that that, you know. Also resulted Blanco was born in Columbia in a very difficult time in the history of that country during lobby Olympia, this brutal civil brutal civil war between liberal and conservative parties that went on for like twenty years almost caused caused the horrific murders of like two hundred thousand people. Some very brutal some very public. It's been reported that she as a hobby with their friends and their youth, you just run around and just bury bodies that were just lying in the street or lying around like that was just a hobby something for the kids to do. And so you grow up in that environment. You're saying earlier like you're open a cold you grow up in that environment. You're like he's fucked. You know, you're not exactly born into money or power or wealth, your dad's not a judge. You don't exactly have those benefits opportunities. And if you can try to make something of yourself. I mean, the problem, of course, is a result of blonde, go went into a an illicit trade. But a trade that a lot of people in Columbia were getting into from that era. It just I wanted to have a discussion about a lot of the characters argue with each other in the play about how different everybody is. It's like how Miami is like game of thrones in paradise with slightly fewer dragons, you know, like, we just self segregate, and it becomes this battle of fiefdoms. And and. Because we're not like, we're not multicultural. We're very much segregated like I always say the common misconception about Miami's that we're a melting pot. We are not a melting pot. We are a TV dinner where sometimes the peace fall into the mashed potatoes. We have our little kingdoms you know, by by flag by nationality. Very much so and so everybody's arguing about how we're different and the place of when you walk away. You're like, okay. But this is a conversation about how we're all the same. And some of us have different opportunities than than than others. And it's just a matter of what we're able to make those of those opportunities, and that was sort of the comparison I was making by because it's a little locally, it's a little scandalous. The fact that the same actress plays both of these these very powers council. Because Kathy the state attorney is very powerful popular figure. So because you've publicly stated there's a reason there's parallels between her and gazelle the punk. And let's say the portrayal is not the most flattering in the play. I worried I think she she gets a fair shake in the play. But but Rivi the character through his commentary comes down pretty hard on her. I've been publicly very critical of her. I think hope in a constructive way on publicly invited social media. And but I mean twenty six years, and it's not gonna change almost seventy people ch. Yeah. You know, what that is fascinating. You gotta wonder if it's a spoken agreement or this is just a a known sort of just this is just how she does business. You don't have to worry. I call it a conspiracy of convenience because not every conspiracy involves a bunch of a rogues gallery at a board room table in a dark smoky room. It's talking about. How are we going to conspire you're going to conspiracies of convenience or just like people are in positions of power and everybody just kind of wink, wink, nod nod everybody knows what they're supposed to do. And you don't ruffle feathers. And you don't you don't fuck with conventional wisdom, and this is the way it's always this is the way it's always been done. So this is the way we do it and everybody just kind of the other fall in line or they get rid of you one way or another. And so that's just the way fiefdoms operate. Sounds like such an exhausting project to create a play out of that sort of horrific time in Miami's history. It was fucking exhausting. Like when you told me you were doing it. That's the first thing. I thought of well being a lazy? Fuck I'm gonna let so much time. It seems like so much time to do. I don't wanna do that. There's there's like stock you mentally racket is not very profitable. So I wanted to go with a real money is theater where plays. Aena playwright. Billy. And I said to to my co author or squire the director was like, listen, it's like this has to be purely theatrical experience to note, no projections, no archive news footage like using the I'm like if in Miami first of all these days, if I got to put my pants on to leave the house, that's a fucking hassle. Meaning like if I could just when I'm home if I can just chill I want to just chill. So if I'm going to be like, okay, I gotta go see a fucking play. The first thing I do is put my pants on. All right. So put my pants on. Then you gotta get in the car. You got a brave this traffic spring break on right now be beach. It's added control. So you got to go to south beach, go to the theatre Lincoln road. And then like. Pay your hard earned money to see this play because plays or more expensive tickets for plays or a lot pricier than a movie. Right. And so or Netflix subscription, so you, and I'm like, I don't want people to be there. Like, what the hell I can just stay at home and watch this shit on I want people to go like holy shit. And we're actually seeing that we're seeing a really disproportionate number of people coming to the theater who've never been to a live play before because of their interest. In the subject matter, the title confessions of a cocaine cowboy the documentary, so people are coming and the rowdy and they're like interacting with the actors. It's kind of fun because we do a lot of breaking the fourth wall where review talks to the crowd or the cops talked to the crowd. And so they're talking back the audience, and it's fun and very and funny. And and I think pretty thought provoking, particularly at the end, and they just like. This audience is is really oh shit. You can't duplicate this experience in any way you like. You know? I mean like I mean watching comedy on. Netflix is one thing being in the room. It's a totally different energy to dismantle a rush. It's like, you know, it's like a drug how many seats this year four hundred twenty. Oh, it's great. We're twenty borough fairly intimate. But that's a good size for an intimate live show. It's huge. And and it's a beautiful. It's like a historic theater Miami Beach. There's not a lot of what's it? Call which the colony theater? Okay. No. Where the only wrote it's that walking street, and you'd probably get the back when we had the comedy festival, you probably did it where you are at the Fillmore, and you might have done the Jackie Gleason show more now. Yeah, I don't I don't I've done a few different places. I don't remember all this is smaller room for you. But like, it's a great cool space used to be an old movie theater. My grandma used to go. See we don't preserve a lot of our history and Miami it's like I was saying earlier like we're such a young city, literally young and we're like. America's perpetual, rebellious teenager. We're like everything new. We don't like we have a transient population, a lack of institutional memory, and we're like fuck history. Let's just knocked this down and build new because that's the only way to create jobs like knocking shit down. Redesigning it rebuilding. It repopulating it building a taller creating more revenue because we don't have a state income tax in Florida. So it just like, just constant hustle. So to have a place like that where it's like, oh, we're going to take a deep breath and say, this is a cool spot. There's no venues like this in town. It's been here for almost one hundred years like, let's preserve it. You know, let's preserve the original architecture. Let's preserve some of the the the oldest like this old carving of like pelicans like this really creepy like old school deco art, they just preserved it, and it's really it's like the perfect environment to do a show. That's like by Miami for Miami. You the no income tax things very attractive to people people to states that don't have income. That's one thing that pulls Nevada pulls people into devante. I do you think? J Simpson move there. He hasn't like there was a law where they couldn't get his money. We have the homestead law like the, you know, the you can you can't get the money. Can't get the house you. It's a great place to sort of hide acid. I told you like a third world country. It's a banana Republic. Yeah. Because he he got he lost the civil case thirty plus million dollar judgment against him. Is we bought a fucking house in Florida? Now, he is he still there. Oh, I don't think. So I think he's in Vegas now. I think he they released him, but they were going to I think you might be on paper. So I think he might have to stick around. I'm not certain because for a while he wanted I think he was asking permission to go to Florida when he first got released and the attorney general Florida was like no thanks to be fair though. She was a blonde woman. So she was scared. So too soon what I mean? It's a he's he's one of the weirdest cases in all of American pop culture history. I mean, he is one of the weirdest cases. I, you know, there's a fantastic photo that someone made a Meema of Howard Cosell with Bruce Jenner on one side, and then OJ Simpson on his other side and Howard Cosell say and I've seen the future you're not gonna fucking believe. Because this is so goddamn crazy that one of the most famous and beloved people forget before that murdered beloved. I mean, he was like the rock. Oh, absolutely right in a lot of ways. Maybe even maybe even I don't want to say more below the rocks pretty beloved, but that level. I mean endorsements Hertz rental car ads he was in movies. Happens. Loved him. Yeah. But love personality comedies notice. Yes. You know? And and well. It was inevitable. He would wind up in Florida, of course. But but like phrase. Just cruise. And this is something that in the end not to spoil it you've been so kind to not spoil screwball. But in the end, that's also part of the the message is the idea that and why we use the children, these athletes are heroes to these kids. They look up to them these are supposedly role models, and how many professional athletes, do you know, who you'd be like. I want my kids to idolize this this person like legitimately like legitimately very few. Sure. So it's like that's the and that's where that whole sort of like lie cheat steal to get ahead message. I think is what's what we're teaching our children these days, and that's the case with like OJ Simpson. It's like this people idolize that guy. So did they re did a rod retire? Did he ever come back from this? I don't know anything about base for one season. He did. Yeah. For one season. He came back. He he got the largest suspension in the history of the game. But they reduced it. Right. They reduced but it remained the largest so expansion of the year one hundred and sixty it was almost like a basically a full season and the following season. He came back played about another year from where he was injured for a while. I think actually might have been injured the following year. And then came back the year after and then he retired and the Yankees made him like they gave him like a front office job where he would mentor. Young players really can't make this shit up. Then. Really? That is so interesting that he didn't become persona non grata like Jose Canseco. Did it's I don't know. How quite how to explain and listen it's been one of the greatest I think reputation rebuilders not even rebuild. Remember he was hated Nagy's fans used to booth a guy like he was not a beloved figure as a baseball player. Now. He's like my mom knows who he is. I mean, she calls them Jlo's boyfriend. But she the bottom line. She knows like this. I mean, I think they're going to be studying this case study of like image rehab is going to be studied for like decades to come in like arneses calculated. It was a lot of it was accidental, but but like look at he's never even apologized or really admitted what he did. He never went on like the may Ecole Petur like Lance Armstrong Portland test positive. No, he never failed a test. Yeah. See that's part of it. Like, he was on this shady doctors dockets. How the fuck did the doctor use the right name? Like, that's that's what's so crazy. Like, why did you use his name? But he me why did you use a Rodriguez? How about use a pseudonym? Well, if you remember Tony was doing a lot of cocaine at the time. Right. And he was like he was like in his fucking spiral his whole life. Was he was about to hit rock bottom while he was running this business, and what's funny is to his medical records. There was some file folders. But a lot of them were in composition books. Like just old school CVS like you to the movie. Yeah. That's so that's why that's the I cannot keep wrote in any would scribble it. And so those Rabin's eight bright patient nicknames, and does and then some of it would just be like stream of consciousness like middle school girl like journal like he would write his name in different fonts. He would come up with different like business ideas, and plans and and make signs for his businesses. And and talk about motivational speaking ideas that he had and it was like it's a real journey. Into into his mind if a cocaine addicted fakes Astor by. Which is an interesting journey. I gotta tell you. Right. But like he. These composition books on some pages. There'd be like codenames like, you know, he had a guy that was like, you know, that you'd name after cars or name after you like me, ho or little Spanish words or or things like that. He had a player what he bought he bought him. Like he bought them in SUV of some kind. So we like code named them like Tahoe. Whatever the fucking car was another one was DUI because he'd just gotten a DUI. So that was like, but then like after a while he just kind of abandoned it, and then it was like a Rodriguez or Alex Rodriguez, by the way, there's a shit ton of Alex Rodriguez in Miami. But when you start seeing a rod in the books kind of kind of tell you a little bit. You just got sloppy fuck and drug addicts. What is that guy? Do now. Well, he's five five years off off of cocaine which is good. He went to federal prison, and rightfully so for the kids for the high school kids that he owned the when the judge sentenced him specifically said, you know, it's one thing for consenting adults to engage in this behavior. It's another thing for you to drag kids into this mess and potentially poison them. So we went to federal prison get this. He winds up in a camp. So it's like minimum security federal prison in Alabama. And he winds up teaching impart a. Nutrition class to his fellow inmates. He's in there with Jeff skilling of Enron who's teaching a business class mates and Jesse Jackson junior who's teaching political science and civics course to their fellow inmates. They say prisons the best place to to learn and. So we actually so one of my we run out of money on this movie. And so as you always do with movies, and so the couple scenes that we wanted to do that we ran out we just couldn't do it. Cut him from the schedule. So one of them was an epilogue with all the kids in federal prison like jumpsuits and like Tony teaching and like a little baby. Jesse Jackson junior a little baby Jeff skilling from Enron a little baby. And another thing to another thing. Bosch was doing is. He was like you see him at the beginning of the movie sitting at the bar at the Ritz Carlton Key Biscayne and he's writing little protocols on a fucking cocktail napkin for the bartenders on how to build muscle how to lose weight. So he was doing that in prison for inmates for like vitamins and supplements that they could buy in the commissary. He would he hit you Dr Tijuana. I'm trying to build muscle mass. Okay here. Here's the go to the commissary by these vitamins of these subway, and you take this time. Tony, I'm looking lose weight. What do I do and given? And then guard started coming to them. Like, hey, I'm looking at my wife wants to lose some weight or what? Yeah. He'd give protocols. Yeah. So I mean, he's very I told you he's very much a true believer in himself. He's got a lot of faith in himself. And he for awhile was planning on opening a nutritional supplement business across the street from Marlins park cheese in my in my host or billion. This is pretty recently. It hasn't happened yet. But like he's looking around for new for new opportunity, and Miami is a is a land of opportunity. I told you this last time I saw you that there's an old saying that I love that L as where you go. When you want to be somebody New York is where you go when you are somebody, and Miami's you and you want to be somebody else. It's just it's not only town of reinvention. It's like it just always been a sunny place for shady people. I just always wanted to know what happens to a fake doctor who gets both sewing steroids to kids. What does that guy do for a living afterwards? I think now I suspect now he's just sort of being a subsidized by family and friends right now, he does have kids in child support probably to make some how I don't know exactly what he's up to. I I'll ask him the next time. I see him this weekend as it goes. Oh, yeah. He does. And he's quite it's quite funny. He's quite a sober. Well, I think he's still drinks. But he doesn't he doesn't do cO elicit drugs anymore. Yeah. And that was that was that was bad for awhile. I'm sure that's always the bad decision. Making route. What's what's funny about this is that he? We caught him like on his way into federal prison originally. So November of two thousand thirteen Alex was in the midst of the arbitration that you see at the end, you know, that we portray at the end of the movie in MLB's offices in Manhattan, and we got a call from his publicist and his publicist says. You're Alex is on a break from the arbitration, and he's coming down to Miami's got an office in Coral Gables, which is just like very wealthy affluent suburb adjacent to the city of Miami. It's actually the city where the university of Miami is located where Alex Rodriguez field is at UM on campus. And so they said listen, Alex, would like to meet with you to talk about possibly doing some kind of tell all documentary. Jeez. Since November twenty thirteen so I'm like, yes. Please. Yeah. So I figured like this is a hush hush meeting. We're and do this on the download with his office and Coral Gables, they say meet us, some weekday high noon at hill stone restaurant, which is the power lunch spot in that neighborhood. The most prominent corner in the city, Florida, ceiling windows, open kitchen, everybody from the street to the dishwasher can see everything going on in that dining room. They wanna meet us there at noon sound like, okay, we go. There slammed every seat taken mob scene around the host stand three or four deep at the bar. They escort us down the center me, and my producer. Alfred spellman right down the center aisle parade us, practically and ESPN the thirty for thirty s they really fetish is the directors. So like they have like video interviews with us like, you know, in bumpers like every hour like little little segments. And so people sometimes recognize me usually in Miami like close to UM because we did the UM doc. So if there's any play any place how it was going to be recognized. It was two miles from the university of Miami. And so take us right down the middle and they're in the center booth on this elevated platform around the back is out surgery guess holding court, and we live. We literally have to like step up on stage to join him. And like all eyes are on us in this place. And. I don't know what we kind of get introduced. And I I need like an icebreaker. So I'm like, so who's gonna call page six you or us. Sure. Shit two weeks later in page six. And so we sit there, and Alex and laugh the publicist laugh. That's like a publicist joke. You know? So. Because it was clear that we were there to be seen having this meeting. It was so clear. Why do you think they did the it was it was part of Alex's when he said was there a plan? There was kind of a plan. It was part of Alex's like PR offensive or push back against major league baseball. And so we sat there with him for almost an hour and a half. And he just lied slide to us on the whole time. And I didn't know that about everything I never met. Tony bosch. This is solvable. You look at my records. I my performance didn't improve after the time. He claims to have been treating me. I'm not a baseball fan. I'm like you to me. I call screensaver. All right. I just but my producing partner. Alfred is a degenerate baseball. He gets look to fucking MLB dot com package has on his desk on his ipad all day long during the season. I'm just like, I I guess he does that instead of Ambien less sleep eating with baseball. I guess I don't know. So he's just like, but he's a huge baseball fan. And when I left. Does a key made a lot of good points. Alex did opportunity. Lied about everything. And I can't blame him. He lied to everybody in those days. I mean, he was in a he was desperately trying to salvage his his career and his legacy. And he he allegedly lied to the DA in a Queen for a day meeting who the fuck lies in a Queen for a day meeting other than George popadopoulos. I mean, you're supposed the whole point is you're supposed to tell the truth that they're not going to going to fuck with you. But allegedly did that the Queen for a day meeting so- Queen for a meeting with the feds you got a letter for their like, we're investigating. Your witness in an investigation, we understand you may have participated in some illegality or committed some crimes in the course of this larger investigation, but we're not after you. We just want you to come in feel comfortable and free to tell the truth to our investigators. So that we can pursue our investigation accurately and fairly, and we will not whatever anything you say will not be held against you essentially in a court of law. So your Queen for a day, they call it you get a letter Queen for a day letter and the Hawksley call they call Queen for a day. And so that's the thing feds have and so L IX was free to just speak. The only thing you can't do is lied to a federal agent that is a crime. And that is in fact, I think George popadopoulos was ultimately he lied in his Queen for a day meeting. The whole point of a Queen for a day meeting is to not Brian lie. And not because you can't get in trouble, essentially for any crimes that you admit they are about the investigate. Nations. So that was the allegations that he actually lives. So listen, I'm documentarian people. Lied to me for a living. I'm I'm fine with that especially because they spell my name right in page six and that shit was in bold. I don't know the juice to make that happen. Alex's publicists had the juice to make to make that happen. I was flattered that they you know, right about me. But like, you didn't think that he was lying. I suspected he wasn't telling us the whole truth. But I thought he made some interesting point alpha to Alfred. Had was a pitcher in highschool north Miami Beach, senior high go chargers and Alfred had actually pitched against Alex Rodriguez is like one of his only war stories from his baseball years in high school, right? Is that Alex was a senior at the alpha going to sort of Ron Frazier baseball camp at a UM and they did this summer league game. And Alfred this is my eyes were glazing over telling the story, but like Alfred Alfred's pitches against a ride and who's already a senior already a beast. Everybody knew this guy was going to was going to go in the draft and be huge. Everybody knew about that. He had been the talk of the high school baseball community in Miami forever and so- Alfred pitched against him. And he held a rod to a triple. Of course. Alec a-rod smack dish it out of this ball sailed away. But he he was only a triple wasn't. It was a rare not homerun for Alex. So I thought oh, we have like a funny personal anecdote like we can find some common ground here. Right. You're talking to. Who might be a potential interview subject, you know? And so I'm like, actually Alex UNLV have met before alpha. Roles is is like he's going to embarrass me until this dumb shit story. So I tell out like isn't this funny like you guys and Alfred held you to a triple? And he kind of looked at me like you're looking at me right now. He's just he was totally unamused. And maybe looked even a little hurt or offended. This is the greatest baseball one of the greatest baseball players of all time the highest paid baseball player in history. And here I'm just telling this cute story from like twenty years earlier whenever a and he seemed like held me to a triple. I'm like how could you be upset about that? You're one of the greatest of all time like super winners. But it's like, it's it's that's why I left I was like this guy's a really interesting. Character monkeys a complicated guy. He's an interesting guy sensitive guy. Like, I was curious about him. I was excited about the prospect of interviewing him, and man we'd ghosted us out. Yeah. January of two thousand fourteen that's when they lowered they reduced the suspension. I started hitting up every month. Started hitting up the publicist Joe following up on that meeting because it's in the page six article at mentioned, he met with the thirty for thirty film. Acres. Billy Corgan Alfred spellman. He's been shopping a book proposal to these publishers. The book proposal thing was total bunk. Literally, not true. The the the publishers like we'd love to get one. But we haven't gotten a book proposal from a ride. He really did have the meeting with us. But like everything was we're just pawns in his game. Which is cool whatever I'm respond to this documentary. Not exactly, but I for six or seven months, I'm emailing with the publicist, and then it was clear that they weren't interested. So and that became the tactic by the way, when you said was there, a strategy the strategy to shut the fuck up and just like like, you said like with the president big New York Times big Gondolo scandal expo they and then maybe if we just tomorrow in this twenty four hour news cycle in this fucking in this world of just being being hammered with bad news, you know, in two hundred forty characters every nanosecond of every day just shit just passes, and they just they they played it just so so beautifully and brilliantly. And then almost a year. Later. We got a call from a friend of Tony Bosch, you guys. Want to meet with twenty Bosch? She wants to talk to you about doing a documentary. Like, hell, yeah. So we take the meeting really interesting guy meet with him several times over several months. And then he says, listen, I want to do this interview because I'm getting sentenced to prison tomorrow. And we knew about that, you know, that the case was ongoing. But look I expected judge will give me forty five to sixty days to surrender to complete this drug rehab program. I'm in and then I'm only going to get like a year and a half two years in prison. And so we could find a couple of days before I have to surrender to do this interview. These I don't like, dude, listen, let's see what happens tomorrow. I'll look depending on how much time the judge gives you like you're going to prison one way or another like, maybe wanna spend some time with your kids. Get your affairs in order. Let's make a decision tomorrow. Whether or not we're gonna take two three or four days out of your life for this. Maybe we'll do when you get out into you know, in a year and a half years. Federal you do at least eighty percent of your time. But then you go to halfway house sometimes for a little bit at the end six months or as long as a year. So he goes goes to court the judge says four years, and you have not forty five to sixty days to surrender. But forty five to sixty minutes to surrender me your. Take off your belt in your shoelaces and surrender to oh. And he did and so back Bernard again, then I gotta fuck an Email from Tim L Frank who was the Woodward and Bernstein of the case, he's the the journalists who got stolen records from porter Fisher, the whistle blower and blew the lid off the whole thing at the beginning of two thousand thirteen he says to me porter Fisher called me, and he's asking me for your number to discuss possibly doing a documentary with you. I was like first of all like. We sometimes don't make documentaries about things that we make documentaries about things that happened like twenty thirty forty years ago. This felt like it hadn't ripened yet. Like, it was still a fresh wound. You know, like people wouldn't be willing to talk like you have to kind of wait for more time to pass, you know? And here we are. And I'm not a spiritual guy, and I don't really believe in the universe talking to me or anything. But I thought man if ever someone was trying to tell us something it was like you had to make this documentary the three primary players in this major baseball scandal. All independently of each other contacted us within just over a year to talk about doing a documentary about at night alpha jokes that in Florida when you get out of prison, your first call is to your mother your second calls to rack and tour to our company to talk about a documentary and Tony got out. I hit up. Tony. I'm like, I'll come visit you in Alabama. How much time did you have to do he wound up getting a sentence reduction? He did just about two years. And then he was in that camp in Alabama. I wrote him I said I'm gonna come up and visit you and we talked about this. He said I'll being a halfway house in six months. So let's just meet in Miami. I was done. And then when you meet porter, and you meet Tony, and you see them there interviews in the documentary. You realize like, Alex, this isn't even about Alex. You know, it was like this is about these guys in this crazy Carl hiaasen Cohen brothers botched robbery like story. And so that was the story we wanted to to tell and that was the Tony porter part of the story will listen, dude you nail. It's a great documentary. I really enjoyed it. Like, I really enjoy all of them and just keep on fucking knock out of the park. Man. Thank you, a baseball metaphor, really appreciate thanks for having. Give everybody your social media. Tell people how to get Billy Corbin B I L Y C O R B E N. I'm not the lead singer smashing in that same on, Twitter and on Instagram, Billy, Corbin, Instagram. Same on Twitter hit me up beautiful. Thanks, brother. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone for tuning into the show and thank you to our sponsors. Thank you to policy genius. 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Hour 1: What's That Smell?

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

33:13 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: What's That Smell?

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In a second mike you would have enjoyed <hes> greg cody making the argument during the break right because he is jealous of stugatz being on some rising media star list greg cody was saying that they should have a top sixty five under sixty five rising stars in the media business because he believes he qualifies and god's was feuding on around the horn with all the people who would be on that list guest today flashy and woody page worn heiser would not be in the group of under sixty five. He's over sixty five. That's good for greg. Aglet is good for me and we'd all the competition before we get to that. However we want to show you a peek behind the curtain about what we're trying to do around here all of which is to get stugatz the sleaziest least credible member of sports media. You will find anywhere in sports media. Thanks dan all the way up to the stratosphere where he plants a flag. Eventually on michael will bonds head on my head on what he pages ages head on all of old journalism and at the end the monkey wins the monkey waves until he's climbing and accruing more and more power he's on around the horn a lot more we were begging for how many years decade tamp decade to get him on around the horn and that was always no. You don't have the credentials roles. You gotta be a newspaper guy. You gotta write something and then to god's wrote something about his dad and they're like okay. Yes appreciate your right in that. It was that the back i did. Nobody knows helped you with that. I listen you help me out. It's pretty obvious i mean everyone knows i can't write like that. It was really well done body also to the fodder four so those two pieces and you guys urging yelling screaming the lacrosse final four and women's lacrosse final four those two pieces very different final fours leaving the women's crossbar admit hoping no notice but anyway <hes> those two pieces along with dan might shipping container all screaming at the top of their lungs understood. God's army helped me on his show at it's been glorious if you're not aware though okay stugatz is this person he plays on the radio. The people who developed clipped around the horn realize that ten years ago the original incarnation of this show on television was supposed to be many years ago before around the a horn flourish before highly questionable existed before high noon existed the producers of p._t. I wanted the spin off to be this radio show and they it came down to miami to see if they could televise our radio show we were talking to jim brown about his playgirl centerfold in which he was trying to make a woman jealous by doing the playgirl centerfold. They packed up their briefcases left instead. We will not be able to televise this one of the things that they said we're talking about jim brown we were talking with him about his endowment and how he was trying to make <hes> women jealous by oppo by appearing in playgirl in the hallway alway as they packed up their stuff and realized they could not televise this sewage. They looked at me and said with totaled old stunned incredulity. Wow stugatz is really that he's not acting. He's during the break. He's really until they refused to put him on television for many years and so now he's on television now he's he's on around the horn and the climb continues and if you've been watching an in on the secret you have to be delighted as stugatz climbs up the ladder. However there remains rains a bit of a credibility problem. What do you mean let's listen to house to god started. The radio show yesterday on the subject of antonio brown. I mean it's ridiculous the fact that he's even saying suggesting that he might retire if i can't wear the helmet i've worn for the last ten years. Do me a favor. Put your helmet on a play football <hes> sarah tired of it and tony brother people who would give anything to get thirty mil. They wear whatever you would tell them to wear for thirty one a million guaranteed dollars plus the ability to make an additional sixty million dollars. They would go to work naked every day. I have a that a strong take a good take. Not however the take that's guts would give hours later went on around the horn and needing to be more credible what antonio brown rounded saying here. Is this how protrudes it away that cuts off his sight lines and vision for black receiver is pretty important so i'm all for the n._f._l. N._f._l. Improving the safety ford's players but i'm also all for the n._f._l. Sitting down with advisors saying hey this new helmet. How can we approve upon it so you could see the football better. I don't think that's an unfair ass tony awards. He wasn't gonna get points the other way. I heard a point there and got a boy connects blame myself. I'm going to explain myself because when you're in around the horn veteran dan again you have to size up what's going on in the game. I'm there to win that game and and when guillaume would he give the take that i gave the starting to radio. I need to then pivoted your debt. You're not gonna get any point in a way that you're doing on the radio. When you're giving the outrage take that everyone else's given an earlier then they're giving the order is very important in that show and those guys stole my thunder and then i stole yours and you've been borrowed mine and re the purpose and thank you to antonio brown doing all the things that he did to carry us through the weekend with his absurd easy now of course reports to camp <hes> <hes> and the threat was an idol one to quit all football. He won't even miss it day. All of this is stupid because it was discovered. Mike florio said does on his show that he can still wear the same helmet as long as he finds one. That's under ten years old so he can the the model on the sidelines. It's all bs. He just wanted to wear the same same helmet. He's always warn you wear the same exact helmet. Just get one. That's not ten years old. It's clear now that he went to the raiders beforehand and was like look. I'm going to show up. I'm just going to try to a usa negotiation tactic here. Someone's sitting on that helmet right like he's gonna go. She should scoop them up. Yes we should all yes. How do we do that. Accompany them all up. It's a it's a shot helmet. It's all of them. I mean this is all you. I need to get dan. He was willing to retire and give them sixty million dollars or something ninety million. What do you think he's gonna pay for these helmets. If we have all of what we shouldn't do it but the chiefs chiefs should shut air advantage. I mean we sh if there's an n._f._l. Team that should do it. It's the steelers but if there's a not n._f._l. Team that is actually you're right. It would be even better also it has to fit his head right. I we need to buy all of them because we don't know his head size. Yeah okay very good billy. That's a good i plan to go ahead and see if you can recruit jose canseco when you're done chasing big see if you could buy up all the helmets with one another one of your glorious plans that isn't gonna go anywhere with someone else's money so god's ear at anytime what in four car batteries is about to fail so think ahead and get yours tested for free at advance auto parts arts. It won't cost a dime to make sure you are not any twenty-five percent who could be stranded in a mall parking lot some spooky woods or even worse at your in laws ause. If your battery is weak advance batteries that deliver more performance and starting power in extreme conditions they had they advance only at advance auto parts and now i fought from geico motorcycle. It took fifteen minutes to take a spirit animal quiz online. Please be the cheetah the cheetah cheetah and learn your animal isn't the cheetah but the far less appealing blood fish come on glad insult to to injury you could've used those fifteen blood fish minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance too geico geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. It's don libertad this shirt from the nineteen eighties by the way. This is the oldest shirt i own. What color shirt is that because i've been trying to figure out around aw that's that's you know it is sort of brown now but he mentioned used to be black stugatz. That shirt is older than chris cody pretty. It is these these live with our show with his two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio we have made <hes>. Mike ryan's relationship executive relationship with n._f._l. Bristol problematic in ways that are not mike ryan's fault. You know <music> guests come on whether it's tedy bruschi who the we've been dubbed baghdad bruschi and mike had to go up to two bristol to explain what we meant by that it was outrageous that okay we said it and then we had to explain to him what it was and then it was even more out read a powerpoint on operation iraqi freedom yeah so that was an awkward position that we put mike and mark brunell got mad at us <hes>. We have an un- uneasy relationship with the n._f._l. But dano lobski is gonna join us at eleven thirty. He's very good if you have not seen him on get up breaking down football he's exceptional. I wonder what i do. Our relationship with dan are lobski relationship. We don't presently have if i ask him nothing but questions about running out of the back of the endzone s. isn't the first time join us okay. You kinda went to that well. Can we get the quarterback expert on hyper. I'd like to just ask him questions about how many times he said you stand out your the wacky show yeah no. This is new even for you even though you've asked him about this before. Can we ask a quarterback guru. Who's good looking and dresses well about football because it starting soon. He's got great hair. You're right. How did he respond. I forget how did he respond the first time around like he's heard it a million. I can't figure out what is best. Quality is whether it's his hair or his is because he's good piece. I think it's knowledge of the game. Put it on the pole guillermo at lebatardshow best thing about dan orlovsky his hair his during smoldering lagoons for is or his knowledge of the game or put dan submission on the fact that he ran at ends well that one's motoring lagoons vote. I don't think you're gonna like yeah. Okay put mine up there too and i don't think you're gonna like parenthetically. This is dan submission so greg cody of the miami. Herald is back <hes> from a vacation that i don't wanna talk about but he does. Maybe that's how we get a list of topics. It's always about him. It's always flimsy flimsy and it's always about him but starting point but on his list of topics today he's got a list of topics and one of them is a rod had five hundred grand the end worth of goods stolen from his rental car and i think that's a watch i think he just had a watch stolen one. I mean one piece of jewelry. I mean i think i think maybe one to tops. I mean there can't not it's not candlestick park anymore but that they've had a rash of break-ins. It hasn't been candlestick park for about twenty years. I think yeah it's been a._t. And t. and somebody else i am terrible terrible de stadium names and ballpark names names because they got too many changes in sponsorship and i don't want to be referring these ballparks is anything other than candlestick. They knocked down ebbets field by the way jewelry and electron is what was taken from this rental car. Do you think he'd like checks in at like nationwide or like budget is like jai rodriguez it goes through that whole process and they try to upsell them on the protection for the vehicle and he was like yeah. I'll do it and that's like one class in minivan you think he does that once it last time. He's is actually rented his own car. They did it this time right. I think he did the data fast fast like he does it so all i think he has no idea how to rent his own. You'll we'll have a ride on the shuttle. Bus going do gone alamo. Wait a minute so you've got all right so just to be clear. He's on a trip with j. very low and j. Lo in the airport bus from the rental car that smells like feet waiting in line behind a family of eight am calling the hotel to see if they provide provide a free trolley. There's are hilton garden inn shuttle. Let's hop nj both wearing sunglasses and over. You'll recognize him. Geir mo put it on the poll. Please at lebatardshow avatars show does a rod. Take the airport rental car shuttle asa coating. This is your topic all. You've done his laugh so uh-huh. Do you have something for us on the subject. You just want to laugh well. It's it's it's incredible to me that if you have five hundred thousand dollars worth of anything in your rental car. You don't need to be renting a car. Have a private car show for you place. It's a good point yeah and if you do have to go with a rental car you should not don't leave a half million dollars worth of stuff in the rental right. Put it in the trunk not not even in the trunk. I would say it has to be on you. The entire right have a bodyguard. I mean what's he. He doing driving a rental car anyway yeah well. It's no doubt afford tourists that he rented from budget. Isn't it so scary. The first time you drive over the spikes oh yeah whereas each time is scary but mike every time after it's still scary always this is going to be the time where all my tires are gonna explode you think a-rod asking the free upgrade when he's at the rental car counter or no no you didn't there and i think he puts his right hand with world series ring and he just like knocks exit on the table a little bit. You think you think it was his ring stolen stolen. Do we have any like information what they stole. Hillary and electronic have been his world series ring. That's really reineck that mean. There's a laptop. A camera jewelry is might just said some more latronic equipment. What's on that laptop baby. Guillermo put it on the poll. Go sit in the penalty box for a couple of minutes. Greg guy go compliance. Was that me uh-huh at lebatardshow on twitter if you don't mind gammel. Are you always afraid when you drive over. The rental car spikes chris. You can't do that enough every time. Someone gets kicked out of the room and the standing up and doing that umpire third strike call i you simply can't do you need to be a little careful though because allison was getting up to run over to do an instagram live and you almost punched her in the head there is that is a dangerous tony two minutes. That is a dangerous zone back. There i believe alison or once was trying to throw something at billy and hit chris in the face. It seems like that whole place back. There is a bit of a hazard zone <hes> because of the emotional tempest that is the three personalities back then. It gets crazy back here. I was imagining a-rod rod at the front desk. I imagine he leaves no doubt. He wants them to know that he's famous so he walks up. He says i'm former yankee alex rodriguez. Why wouldn't you just in case case because most people know just by looking but he lets them now. The reports are saying by the way it was worth a lot more than a half million dollars that he was in an s._u._v. It was parked at oracle park arken. That's about ten o'clock is where they stole. S._u._v. upgraded the upgrade for sonata way more than a half-million yankee connections weird right like like am i the only one that thinks it's weird that he wants to be like the yankee associated players like i was a yankee i and it's like do. They kicked you out of here. They wanted you out of there. What are you. Why are you so proud to say you or a yankee. So you're like a mariner. Whatever you be proud. If you somehow survive the nuclear holocaust of the largest ban in baseball history to have everything in tank thank the yankees are paying you as a special advisor and you're the voice and face of baseball for the worldwide leader in sports. I that's a miracle. That's like he should be on the list of greatest this magicians ever above houdini a yankee somehow hated him and are going to retire his that is correct yup he won while he manages their team not even him. He's not going to be bothered with jaylo. His hall of fame bust is going to manage the yankees. J.lo's managing the team put it on the poll at lebatardshow here. We've got so many a rod and j. lo questions. I believe he introduces himself at the you know the enterprise rental car desk as hello hello i am j.lo's boyfriend and yankee champion alex rodriguez's man. You guys talk about some time for some ants. Catch me this friday on shark tank and saturday on fox oxen sunday on e._s._p._n. I'm media empire tried a taurus irma. Put it on the poll. Please is a-rod one of the world's greatest magicians yesterday not blink people were nearing again. Watch that screwball movie. It's crazy. It's crazy rays. He got banned for a year and deserve more. Its longest ban in the history of the sport and he should have gotten more just watched the screwball movie. I'm at i'm halfway through it. I love the i love. Tony bosch shows up at iran hotel rueben a-rod said whenever you gave manny give it to me that's right. That's the town height and that's how high end sophisticated the miami operation of steroids work go to the tanning salon. Give me the stuff manny's use it but he does the same exact zac introduction that tony bosch as he does at the pres- rental-car ale m._v._p. World series champion new york yankees catch me on fox shark tank alex alex rodriguez. J.lo's borkman donlevatar come in here and tickle hurry up and tickle him until the end of the doctor. Dr mcgillicuddy said this could be bad. It'd be better my heart to god's heart attack more right to the end of the segment tacking b._c._c. donlevatar show with the two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio greg cody of the miami herald is in with us. I want to talk about what happened with rich paul and the n._c._a._a. C._a._a. I wanna know if that's a coincidence. That rich paul writes something and six hours later the n._c._a._a. Decides to change its rules that feel a little slanted and biased against african african americans <hes> but before we get to that and before we get to what dak prescott should be paid <hes> billy. Why did i hear you lamenting. That allison is on a war path of some some sort and we gotta get to. Mike wants to be salmon. We'll do that in a second. Why is alison on the warpath so we have a shared microwave here that we share not only with ourselves which is like eight or nine of us whatever it is plus the t._v. Crew and someone is microwaving something very foul-smelling and it's been being mike waste for. I'd say a good five minutes which is is to migrate things but we don't need to talk about that right now. So it's really smelly in that other room and everyone else kinda just deals with it and like walks past. Just it goes to the bathroom wherever they're going comes back and just deal with it. Alison cannot let this go so i'm in the other room because the printer right now is not working so i'm trying to fix a paper jam and fix the printer so i'm smelling for like four or five minutes and i'm like it's pleasant but whatever you know it's not a big deal. This person will eat this food and she's like very passive aggressive. She's going back with uh-huh who'll rule who is this who's food is and she's like not saying it to anyone know and she's saying it to me but loud enough for people to hear in in the ocean across the street through closed doors. Who's the bleep that did this. Who take this don't do this. Who and i'm just like allison. Compose yourself herself something. I never thought i would say to anyone at work twice. I said compose yourself. You need to compose yourself. Everyone can hear you whoever you're trying to embarrass. Bears has gotten it at this point. They're not gonna come out now. The person is hiding and for sure when we get back the food's going to be gone because the person's gonna sneak in grab awhile since not there because she's shame the person into a point that they're not going to go take responsibility for this food but she is saying so who's food who would do this. We did this slash bring fish to work and microwave in the tiny space with her on that i am too. Are we sure it's fair. I don't think it's i think it's vegetables. It's not i get to the bottom of peanut butter and jelly outside microwave some morning morning fish thirty a._m. Early routine on the podium at lebatardshow talk show. Do you microwave fish ten thirty in the morning who does that. It was actually my lawn from yesterday. Just keep repeating it alice and you should be you should be alarmed here. Mo is alarmed by what he described you as on a war path on the same page as me but he's too afraid to say oh no. I'm speaking for the room all on the same page. Hey jealous industry. You're you're very public about. Maybe it's not here. It's all the doors close to talk org. We starting to see it to the students want walking. Factor is under siege. Wait a minute what you're welcome. You didn't accomplish anything you absolutely nothing except making everyone here uncomfortable very uncomfortable. See rois comfortable. We're all good. Probably roy's roy brings really smelly food and right around. This time is when roy each his legislature. Don't see anything there yet. Roy ask right here at rice cooker microwave this well something that is in a tupperware dish. That's going to be yeah after the show roy. You are often the culprit. I'm no no yes no roy. Roy admitted roy the allison. Listen just said no. Thank you because you start with snow. This put it on the poll at lebatardshow of the microwave and find out who <music> in for my nose waves. That's what are you doing. I wanna find out did you. Did you took protein. It was was join me. It was minutes ago. You wait a minute that it's yours now. You're going out there to investigate arraigned melting. It's been in there so long that elsa it's terrible raw broccoli yours mine. I hi is somebody smack about me dance next next. I agreed with you out. What is that no. Air looks like really old. Broccoli subjected god petrified mascot selena. Where's my love from yesterday now. This is now. This is alison because i feel like that's a normal thing to put in the microwave chicken and veggies broccoli's worst as alison changed her stance on this now knowing that it's dan the dan not suspicious. Did you put your legal. I know i'm not the one who put it in. I put it in there but i didn't turn it on for five minutes. I just put in there. I bet you that somebody buddy who was going next. Put it in there was a dead. I thought it was allison. You can see our conundrum. I i've looked that microwave is from the nineteen. Eighty eight is true. It's new but it doesn't even have one of those spinning. That microwave has up. That's one of the first microwave that was put out. There's nothing scared in a microwave. That doesn't spin when you turn it on. It just stands there. There's a smell them. The tools who's from the good folks at dollar shave club. Were made to clean your face. Your hair your teeth your entire body have you can eat that. I'm going to going to devour that donlevatar. Greg cody of the miami herald does an annual gala the p._f. Is it's a gala man. What does p._f._p. Stanford football prediction incorporated but we just say p._f. Stugatz spread code is the only one wearing a suit and largely the only one taking this seriously no no. I think just about everybody but christopher too. That's not true. No one takes a serious. Don't you dare he's wearing a suit. He's handing over a trophy to what family on his trophy don't want him. He's just rely on shoop. It in this is our show with stugotz on e._s._p._n. Radio we will get to mike ryan and why he wants to be a salmon at some point today. <hes> we will get reluctantly to greg cody's vacation. I'm sure a wholly uninteresting vacation. I enjoyed it well enough to wanna talk about it. Above all the things that happened in sports while you were gone because you love to talk about yourself a cody vacation. There are few families where i would say when they go on vacation. They have a good time. It is any cody. Vacation seems their families that go on vacation have a good time why cody vacation little road trips eight delightful light bill. I can't say the same about all families but i can say that about the cody sounds you assume most families zone enjoy their vacations because you don't know i don't but what i'm saying is i would enjoy just being a fly on the wall for cody vacation just drinking a bunch of beer and falling into the bushes washington lead the league vacations. Thanks entirely to my wife by the way and we got an upgrade well. We'll talk about that. We get an upgrade to a presidential suite hold onto undisguised even a road trips to turn this into a road trip. He didn't like a road trip was right yeah. He told me before that talent east call us when we would leave on a trip the traveling the traveling goats we'd pull out of the driveway to go to the airport and we'll get to hold on just a second the second. I'd like to get the show off. The ground gets memories about talking about your stuff that you just you're bull in a china shop. That's a male. Let me get some of the sports. In here angry goats he can't rattling. Go see what i'm saying about cody family vacation ah goten it so we'll get to the travelling goats in a second and why it is that they're known as the traveling goat but before we do that one of the things that show is perpetually doing when it's not staring at its own naval is marveling that people all over sports awards are talking as if they know things that they don't know and here's what i'm here to tell you as maybe not the greatest truth teller at the company because we'll kane and steven even as smith are battling over that and but this is what i'm here to tell you. There is no one listening to this. There is no one in a position of power our there is no one running governing football team. There is no one out there within the sound of my voice who knows what the hell dak prescott is worth. Nobody arguing about it but nobody knows what the hell that guy is is a quarterback none of us. Dax seems to know that. I'm not sure what he knows. I need need to know percentages. I need to know contract details because there are some miss. Reports here about dak doesn't want thirty million a year. He wants forty million a year but they're all sorts of things that go a window that i happen to think he's younger andy. Dalton who's got a lot of help from everything being right everywhere else on his team and i happen to think that that he is not someone who wins you games when everything around him is mediocre however i don't know any more than anyone else on what the worth of this is given. The average quarterback in the league is worth what now just the average guy is only fifteen million a year. It's more than that. I i think it's more than that was tannahill at tannehill. My beat out mariota can so many of these guys are the same correct you so. You think it's more than that. I think the average n._f._l. Starting quarterback is probably closer to twenty million just the average guy and to me dak prescott and andy dalton or like the average average guy. Andy dalton is presently slotted at sixteen million but there's a bunch of quarterbacks somewhat argue or even lesser quarterback andy dalton not many though that are well above twenty but what is kirk cousins right what is kirk cousins. These things are in almost impossible. Yes ninety ninety million. Oh no but i'm not asking you what he's being paid. I'm asking you what he is. I'm asking you there are a handful of quarterbacks for just totally interchangeable with slightly different skill set the are going to give you the same production we know. The best guys are not one of them well. The problem is in the n._f._l. Everybody thought carson wentz got more of a contract than he deserves now. All of a sudden dak prescott is like i'm as good as carson wentz et carson wentz got thirty two but dared cars twenty five million. How much better worse does he than the the average n._f._l. Starting quarterback guy coming off a season right carson wentz who i happen to think is better than dak prescott. I mean he was the m._v._p. For a year and these are just the natural natural growth of quarterback contracts derek carr got twenty five where if you were up this year he might be in a conversation and get something with carson once the dan's point. Where does it add. I mean forty million dollars. Dollars does today's n._f._l. Where he's throwing twenty three touchdowns a year. That's not very godin today's at i cannot i cannot tell you when this bubble is gonna burst because i keep expecting affecting two bursts and we keep not producing above average quarterbacks we keep producing this mountain of free agent mediocrity that every off-season a team like the vikings king says we're that piece away now jacksonville with nick foles like we're that that's the piece we need and there are precious few of the people who can actually play the position away that all of us would argue. Hey that's above average because every damn quarterback who opened in preseason open six for seven sixty six yards like all of them can complete a bunch of passes all the new guys open seven for sixty seven yards while you gotta player traffic's right away in this sport because of such a hack of the salary cap to pay baker mayfield eight a million dollars. You got to win and win right away to take advantage of that low salary slot so if you've been listening to mike ryan you know already that he believes that baker mayfield is the goat grazed of all time now greg cody called greg goat. I'm transition you see how i'm segue seamlessly in your family vacation on that seamlessly though it is pretty good <hes> explain to us the origins of your beloved traveling goats please. I used to be crews. Dan greg cody on e._s._p._n. Radio.

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Resenha: Oceans of Slumber - Oceans of Slumber (Prog Death Doom Americano)

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29:19 min | 11 months ago

Resenha: Oceans of Slumber - Oceans of Slumber (Prog Death Doom Americano)

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TFATK Episode 447: Billy Corben

The Fighter And The Kid

1:14:38 hr | 2 years ago

TFATK Episode 447: Billy Corben

"They got one of our faves from flew in all the way from Miami, bettas, arms or tired. Ha Billy carbon and now's maybe you've heard of them cocaine. Cowboys all the you wanted to didn't know about that one. If I thought about good friend, though, I like those talks though, I've seen his new one, man. His new one is fire. And that's why he's on this podcast to chat about everything. Screwball ball it up dude looking forward to it. But yet Jomon get enjoy Billy Corbin, by the way, where are you going to be you're going to be in DC some tickets left for the Thursday, Thursday twenty left. There's a show sold out. And then end of April in Phoenix stand-up, live Phoenix SIA soon. Yeah. Evacuate Kelly this weekend sold out except for the late show Thursday, which we added Calgary sold out except for the late show Thursday, we add it and we got Denver April twenty five twenty six twenty seven get your tickets downtown then Miami may nine ten and eleven Miami, improv. I can't wait Brian. You know, you should do what buddy what you should take. Cree teen in krill oil and jammed into your eyeballs. Look, man, you're worried saggy when it comes to focus when it comes to support and vitality when it comes to performance. I got my shrimp, tech sport people. They're like, why do you keep going? Why can you keep you? Don't get tired. Your punches just keep coming every time. We Spar Fulbright. I'm like, that's because I got shrimp tech in me. All right. I start my day with little created from a brain and some krill oil. Yeah. You create teams are really good for your brain, Dom Dagestan. Oh and on. It's got the best creating they got digest tech. When I've eaten little too much need some help with digestion, take my Degi digest tech. We've got a lot of stuff going the go stuff male epitome of health. So it's a good thing. You're taking all this stuff. It's a good thing. You take if you, hey. Hey after years of sport, some say that the best joints in the world joint oil from on it a that's right, man. How about their total optimization packets the total human optimization vitamin packets? Take one the morning one at night won't take anything else you go. There you go, bro. Little alphabrain for all the shows. We do bro. Yeah. Man on dot com slash fighter. Ten percent off everything on a dot com slash fighter. Ten percent off everything everything. Hey, brennan. I like coffee I like coffee, but I like it to be you know, what problem with the designer roast. Is it tastes sour to me? Ninety more rosy. I want you like rewarded cough? No bus. I wanted you taste like chocolate and caramel too much that you like your strong. Yeah. But I also like the military. I like veteran like America. I like America, I'm an American likes coffee. So I don't know what else to do. I'm proud of my country, and I like coffee what if I told my patriot. I know what if I told you could buy coffee in a portion of that coffee that you pay for it goes back to veteran causes. I go to some store and wait in line and go to black rifle dot com slash Shaab. Okay. For the best coffee in the big, Brown roast. I need. I need a big Brown. I need roaster. I wanted to be big. I wanted to be roasted and I wanted to be Brown. So that's the thing about that big round dark roast, dude. I guess all morning roasting beans, why for your delight toots today? I was roasting beans who my back while UCLA with hoffy. Yeah. Yeah. You think it's fingers are All Blacks. Go p-. All I've been doing is roasting beans. That's right. Black rifle beans black rifle coffee. Get it. Now. Visit black rifle dot com slash shop. And receive ten percents off your entire order. Not just the big Brown dark rose the entire dam or company founded by former special operations vets. That's they've dude, you know, who it is black rifle coffee dot com slash shop. 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Billy corporate Killanin hot go the Cowboys. What does the new give us the new, and we're gonna get we're not going to go right into it? I I want to go into other stuff before that. But go ahead. Hey, bitty, Georgia's go JJ. Yes. Six thousand bucks. Go pitch by Torah portion from my bar mitzvah. What am I going to do Jimmy fallow? We got his we bunny. We really just sell when talking about James woods, and how it's not okay to like James woods on Twitter and wartime because Jesse smollet who obviously the newscast headed pronounce that is. I I want to start this podcast by saying this. I'm just so grateful that Jesse has been exonerated. I'm glad Justice has been served. And that's what I was going to say and finally a black man and get screwed over by just our Justice system and found God damn time. Because the because she Kaga politics is not at all corrupt states, the mobile, you're walking liberal state. So I want to hear what you have to say you talking left the because Miami has no issues this what this is what my Twitter feed looks like after I'm on Rogan show. Yeah. Right. You're looking live. Tar crooks snowflake homo feels like thanks for listening. That cash Christopher Hitchens one time. It's one of those. You're obviously a liberal and he said. Actually, I take that. I take fence to that. Because I'm actually a socialist. And we consider liberals to be dangerous compromisers. You you had these are the only thing missing from from that impersonation would know how you do. It is the ice from the whiskey like just the ice moving around in the glass. I miss Hitchens. I detail like his voice right now in this world is like desperately needed. Yes. But what did you you liberal son of a bitch? You probably you cheered. When he was exonerated. I don't know what happened. First of all. I don't believe that he was exonerated any more than the president was just exonerated. Okay. Oh, it's own attorney general. So I don't it seems like they they struck some kind of plea deal. Will did you see the the governor of Chicago came out the came out, right? Mayor Marianne was like this is not Justice was not served. Yeah. It was over the head Rahm Emanuel. What had already Emmanuel have to say? Well, that's what I wanna do Rahm. Emanuel REM annual who owns WMBA. That's his that's his brother. Oh, wow. Successful successful pal. Yeah. And Robin oh to break time to hang. A white man in America. God great time. Well, they're both Jewish. So let's not let's not conflict white and Julia what time is nine this conspiracy meeting. I got hard out hard out here. I think j you've the picture chin 'cause Jane selling Jesuit in post. I don't know what he said policy. He posted a picture of Jesse smollet with Obama's because they say Michelle Obama because that's why it's above even the Chicago police because it went above their head show a bomb call in a favor and just I didn't realize how powerful why does he was? So so Michelle Obama's former aide. There is a whole text chain Email chain, I guess to the to the assistant to the DA apparently or something, and I some of it I read this what we play this song. Nobody would have thought they could get away with that. This was such a high profile case that everybody is is talking about. Oh, there's a score. Picture that. Obama's the doctor. You can just go to Twitter and type in James Wood. James? Yeah. I was saying that like I feel like. I tweeted something about the movie the specialist. I know if you remember this terrible movie ninety four that's the best still on. Our own. I mean, come on. I do I love it. Because it's like one of these horrible nineties Miami movies shuttle and Miami when Stallone had a house down there. And and I posted like some funny scenes from it, including this, James woods is really hilariously brilliant in it, all that's right. He's the only one who knows. It's a comedy. Like, he's the only one who was leading on the fact that the movie was a piece of shit. He's so good in it. And so funny, and then people started, and then I realized like James woods now is kind of like at this moment in his career. Where like, you know, Michael Jackson is in like Bill Cosby linked just for down on. Well. Yeah. People came down on me. But like this guy's a lunatic. What are you doing? Why are you celebrating this man? I'm like, I'm not syllabi posted it, but he's a different type lunatic. Like, he's not like a dangerous just conservative, right? He's a he's just crazy. He's just crazy is crazy. Is he crazy or is? He just is he just conservative. He's crazy. He's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I haven't seen interview in the last ten years be. No, no. I don't know. He's hurt people like Jackson or but like, but people are treating it like like he's over. It's over you can't like him. Many more. You can't like, and I don't really know. I think he's great actor. Yeah. I suspect by the way, he was always crazy now, it's just I think we get older become magnified horrible versions of ourselves or something happens part of his talent, right? How? Some guys get the in the head. Bye. Tell me about James. What's got? So I think what happened was hey, he's always been a really really intense actor in a. In a like, a really kind of if you're listening to his movies are amazing because he's able to access that emotion. So he was obviously a very emotional guy. And I think he got caught up in this right left thing and saw the left as taking over the country and probably suffers from that kind of paranoia worries. I got to wage a one man fight here. That's what it cuts. This is just crazy fall into how so deep you crazy, bro that consumes your live. Well, let me see what's he got blackballed in Hollywood. Apparently. I don't know. I think he claims because there's politics which which is not illegitimate. No. He didn't great actor so difficult to work with you could win crazy drag. Really, I'm I'll say never heard any was difficult actually to work now. I'd never heard. Yeah. There was never that. Rumor he was always a guy you wanted in your movies. We'll barely Nassir. Yeah. Where's the tweet though? Where's that tweet them? What's in your wallet? You from our bullets in your. Oh, I see hashtag. Did he have to take you down or something? Oh, no. It was it. It's yeah. Hashtag Jesse smaller. Michelle Obama holding the race national picture that he sent him. Yeah. There's an actual picture that he posted. Why isn't that coming up? Alan. But yet question Glesson's. Here's your answers. Just Jesse small with though bama's see that share some crazy ties with him in the the well that's not so fair because the the end of the day, the guy is probably he's talented. He's probably really fun. She didn't know a lot of celebrities spent time with the Obamas. Right. And there's the show how you don't know. You don't know you're dealing with us in Chicago, Chicago can say you're dealing with a fucking. But I wouldn't I wouldn't call Jason Ellis laboratory. It's all getting caught the White House. I'm like yo jussie smollet from empire. Yeah. Come on down say, no more by Leonardo decaf, but they might like to show. Also with those shows sometimes they staves these things where you go to the White House. You meet everybody that those pictures don't say anything that's what I'm trying to say. Those are those are essentially, and that's an award ceremony or something where she's and he was a singer fucking now events just to see some family worked for them right in Chicago. There's a ton of ties there's a lot of times there's a ton of which. A day invited the empire staff just because their ratings were killing their ties their deep ties. Yes, it's super. I'm not saying that this wasn't corruption at the worst level at the highest level. Because I believe that I believe according to what I have seen that Michelle Obama did get her aid to intervene, and and how she favor to get the charges dropped which I don't think helps jussie smollet. I definitely helps him he's going to prison over from day one. Well, actually, the sixteen counts are actually. So every time you lied to the cops that's account. But in fact, it's the same charge, right? In fact, a good lawyer would have said, look, these are sixteen counts. But what would the cops were so mad? He was giving him a run around. So that they every time you lie with the cops that would be considered obstruction of Justice. So that's a count the next count the next count. But really the entire lie. Lawyer would say look there's a whole lot here. It's one one and usually one cat you'd pay fines, and you wouldn't necessarily do jail time. You do something especially convicted by a jury usually community service and a big fine big fine. So his sign was ten grand. This is the problem with the miracles that doesn't cover a fuck in. Now, thirty minutes of the efforts. We put in to get this shit done. That's right. That's problematic. I think the Cook County prosecutor I would have to think did not want to take the political risk of like just brushing this. High profile internationally discussed case under the rug that doesn't do anybody any good politically your or otherwise, I I don't understand. I can't imagine it would be incredibly reckless. If if that's what happened here, but you have to realize it first time offender like Callans had like they obviously were were overcharging him and the Cook County prosecutor and take a look at the case and say, this is this is what we should do here. This is how you that's why they make plea bargains. That's bigger fish to fry. Someone dies give three seconds since. He's still should've still makes zero sense that all charges are dropped. It makes zero sense. This is the biggest thing happening in Chicago right now. There are no problem screen. Great. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you conceptually. I'm not that. I'm really not even that upset about it. Well, thank you. I think about it much before. And I don't really find myself caring that much about it. No, I agree that he got off. Effective is perspective. And I agree a hundred seven I just think that it does say something about our Justice system. I don't like that it's crooked you it's like when the college thing came out, but you should still be alarmed about it. So in other words, but what are you going to do? Okay. So what you do is. You you foist your concern? Look if you don't and corruption if you have a politician that can call in a favor that degrades our Justice system, and you can't just say, it's politics. You've got you've got to go. That's outrageous. And obviously one of the frustrating things is there's not much. We can do. That's what I'm going to say. What are you gonna do? Well, what you do is. You you voice your protest. Yeah. And and because it is and if we start if we have a Justice system where it becomes an economy of influence, where who, you know, gets you off which by the way is the case in we do have a lot of corruption. But my God if it gets the point where we're Mexico's say, we're Mexico. Your fuck us, you'll soup you're fucked. Spoiler alert, we're fucked. Yeah. I can. Tell you. But no Justice system still works. But well, let's talk about it. But you know, that's that's rich and powerful are above the law unequivocally. Correct. We used to pretend like that wasn't the case we used to have people in power from he'll try absolute. But I do agree that if you're rich and powerful you have a better chance of getting off. That's never been any different since they founding of the Republic. However, however, the rich and powerful do go to jail like the specter and certain guys do get convicted long as an Becky goes to. Yeah, we sing sing. I'm cool. We we do have a Justice system that still remains to an extent impartial. You had you look at look at this whole college cheating scandal. They're in deep shit. It's it sucks, but you're still getting arrested. You're still you're still having to answer charges. You still have to hire a lawyer. It's not like you just just walk away. So in that sense. I bet you don't do any time. Oh, I don't know if that they even should I think what happens in the court of public opinion and everything else you're dealing with a lot of shit. Our? The F B I still has to most people still has integrity as a federal institution Muller Mueller. Wh that was a two year report that was a two year fucking. I mean, are you kidding? Look at look at Manafort, he had a lot of money manafort's doing seven years. There are people that went to jail who had a lot of power that very close to the president of the metaphor. It had a lot of money from foreign. I had he's. He he was not quite the rich and powerful. He he was he attached himself to the rich and powerful in an effort to absolve himself essentially of his debts in his sins. And it didn't quite work out. Well for him it worked out, okay? For for the president so far. But we also haven't seen Muller's report yet we read a four page. That's what Monica Lewinsky's tweet was about today. It was pretty funny. He's hilarious. She say so someone had someone tweeted, she she retweeted someone someone tweeted something about can you imagine? If Ken Starr's report on Bill the Bill Clinton investigation instead of releasing the report, they just his attorney general put out a four page some of it decline notes. Sushi. Imagine if the star report had been provided only to President Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno who then read it Florida woman, by the way, who then read it privately and published a four page letter based on her private reading, stating her conclusion that President Clinton committed no crimes, Monica Lewinsky, re tweets with. If fucking. Great so good. You know, why why you know, why the Justice department doesn't give the report, right? Because a lot of this stuff is classified information, and you're compromising FBI sources and all kinds of stuff. So there's a process there has to be a process here. What I think is interesting has after two years is no crime. There's no collusion. The obstruction us thirty four people were indicted, some of whom had foreign add context with with illicit contact with foreign governments that they didn't turn around and lied about. Instead of reporting it to the guy that hey, all these Russian reaching she'll time. Yeah. The in some of them are in jail. What I'm saying is that is unequivocal collusion and then lying about the some Russian foreign agent contacts. You and says, hey, listen, we got the goods or we want to get in with this Trump candidate or where you know, you wanna American does you call the fucking FBI, and you say for some reason Russia's hanging up. I'm really it doesn't work. My dad did works business in Russia forever. What happens is this? You get a contract to work for a Russian company, and you're making money, and all of a sudden you have conversations, but you're also working for the you're talking to these Russian contexts you've had. And now, you're because they target you. And you're working for the campaign. Now, if you're working for the campaign, and you're still keeping your business going that's a crime that can be that can be under certain circumstances, you can draw all kinds of conclusions. So this wasn't as cut and dry as it was what what I'm trying to say is that I don't believe I never believed from day one. I'm not I'm not a Trump fan talking here at all at all, you know, that but from day one I was like what are we really talking about is. Are we saying that Russia got Trump elected because that's hilarious to me? That's hilarious. Because no they didn't. They didn't get Trump elected. The Democrats are the worst it putting up candidates. They suck. They put up Hillary Clinton who in two thousand eight the country said, hey, fuck face. We don't like her. Let's put it back up again. They're even putting it back up again. So I'm sorry. But they're so fractured. Trump was just a juggernaut. He was a phenomenon. He was a guy who was speaking to a lot of disenfranchised people, blah, blah, blah. But the Russians didn't get fucking Donald Trump elected. He didn't collude and go get me elected. Excuse me. Come on. Do you think that I absolutely believed that as in the case from the exit you fucking liberal as in the case with Brexit the influence that was exerted over not necessarily his campaign staff, but via the Russian bots, and trolls and and the social media targeting. There's no question that the misinformation that filtered through the election cycle and gotten the front of the faces. Of people like are racist, aunts and uncles who don't know the difference injury. Trump got elected because because people because it was racist. When you look at when you were you're saying, we're not totally disagree. When you look at the statistics of the reason, Trump got elected because most Americans have five hundred dollars in the Bank, dude. That's what you do. Oh, this is the guy that's gonna turn it all around us in better get American. So you you have so this racist, which is it will little. Look, that's terribly condescending because I'll tell you why you're a guy you're a guy who has a family you have five hundred dollars in the Bank under eight years of the Obama administration. Let's not blame a bomber their thousand forces that go on with automation everything else. Now five hundred bucks in the Bank. You can't send your kid to baseball. And that's all you give a fuck about an American now. Now, we did vote a black person twice. So all those racists. Love those quote, unquote, racist dumb dumbs voted for Obama now. Hold on my life. Didn't change you got Hillary Clinton who is Obama who is Obama light. Or Obama, heavy whatever you want to say you want me to vote for that guy in my life changed. She won the popular vote. She wanted to vote. Extraordinary things you who elected this president a soccer stadium worth of people in three or four counties in a couple of the electoral college, brother. That's right blame the blame the way we have black people. But either way I certainly do blame the way you like people bought I'm seeing is as a result of that. You can target people. Yeah. Proper demographics appropriate in shoulder. Horrible. But in the. Acted the fucking. You gotta put when you have Hillary ran a shitty campaign and comparison or she's a shitty candidate how about that. And they're gonna put Elizabeth one of those people. I don't disagree with you that she was not the ideal candidate. I will tell you that what the Democrats did was totally tone deaf. Counter programmed is what they did counter program. They said they're going to put this amateur racist. Misogynist, conman up we're going to put one of the most qualified candidates, objectively if you took the resume of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton you blacked out the names with a sharpie on top and you just reviewed the resume freight. You who would be the and you were hiring someone for your fortune five hundred. Okay. So one hundred percents. Well, let's pull his there. Okay. Put a pin in put a pin in that. It is just like any coach that decides to go for it on fourth down. If it works for genius. If it fails you get second for our. That's what the Democrats did. They said we're gonna counter program with clearly one of the most qua- Barack Obama was what second term Senator a first. He's totally unqualified arguably. No damage and didn't prosecute the ba-. I think if he had prosecuted some of the bankers who created the man made catastrophe that was the great recession. I think Hillary would have had a far greater advantage. But she was also like it wasn't the Russians didn't get Hillary to put that Email server in her bathroom. Yeah. The Russians also didn't get James Komi to needlessly put out that letter right on the eve of the election, while Trump was actually busy paying off his mistress. He he, and I were talking Trump Trump was you gotta keep this in mind. He was fucking entertaining. He remember what he did to the entire Republican field. He we were we were watching this. Meaning in the way that that crazy general providing the bomb doctor at the end of Dr Strangelove is. That guy that. Yeah. But but I couldn't believe he got elected. I kept saying on the puck is every was never going to get a lot. It's impossible. No. I knew he was going to get elected. In fact, I was I was on a podcast with a bunch of brilliant minds down in Miami. Marc Caputo politico Michel run walled, formerly of time magazine. Now, politico Fernanda mind, either we're having this ground table discussion the week before the election, and I'm the only one who is like I think this thing is going to happen. They all said no chance some of them said no some of them were like, and then was on equivocally is actually statistically impossible. I thought well, wait a second. I'm I mean, I'm I'm from Florida. We're anything's possible. And we actually and here. Here's the scary thing. The Florida today is the America of tomorrow. So if you wanna know what challenges will face or calamities will befall us as a nation in the years to come. God. Only look I hope the canary in the coal mine because of the because of the the the immigrant the sort of experience the the melting pot that it is or Miami doesn't feel like a like part of America. I was just down. It feels like they say the great thing about Miami is it's so close to the United States. I love it. I personally that Latin shit. I noticed I wanna live there just that it is really don't lifting. I love it. I can't live anyplace else. I can't I can't live out here. Well, they do this heartbreaking those buildings my friends developer down there. Those buildings. They cook cooking money laundering now. Now, it's money lawn. You've got you've got the Porsche building. Where you have an elevator in your car comes up to your apartment. Yeah. And shit. There's all kinds of golden that's for Russians. We have a place neighborhood called sunny isles, which is known this lethal Moscow on inside the aisles we have these luxurious condos including the Trump building. And what happens here is the Russians that we have what the Republicans would go what you fucking conservatives would call anchor babies, but they bring pregnant Russian women over who pay tens of thousands of dollars. They buy real estate. They buy condos in the Trump building that by condos in sunny isles little Moscow in right? Just north of my Miami Beach, and they come in have their babies here. Who are of course, now America American babies. Does vis Merican babies w Americans. You'll never hear anything about cease from the president. He never complains about the Russians. He's just looks at them. As these babies is future brides, I guess. But the with the fuck where we talking about. I came two thousand miles away to call that talking about just a small at. So how do we how do we get on? How do we get such a president? You're saying that you use at Justice moats innocent. And that's and that anybody ever voted for Trump was a racist hundred. Nobody hang on. So I realized in the state of Florida that we had elected not once, but does many. Our governor the lead executive of the state, Rick Scott, who is the fact the biggest Medicare fraudster in the history of the United States of America. An absolute unequivocal conman, a fraudster who who plead the fifth amendment like seventy seventy five times in a videotape deposition and the video was there. The state saw everybody knows about it to this day. He like, it's okay. He not only we're good. He not only was reelected served. Chew full. Terms term limited eight years as governor. He's now United States Senator for the state of Florida. So I was sitting here going no the floor of today's he America tomorrow. We've already elected our Donald Trump governor of Florida twice. I'll say this is totally totally going to happen. I was like why why would anybody think this? This is not going to happen. And sure shit did I and I was like I stayed up all night watching. The results. I was like I didn't watch the whole season of this dumb shit. Reality. Competition showed to not watch the live results at the last minute to win. It was crazy. It was a reality. That night was and then Hillary was going to concede that she didn't see it. I'm like, this is just this is good television. As you said. It's just entertaining. Right. A Dan the Republic, let's TV. Let's go back to the first thing. I got a question because you you have your finger on this balls. Does he work again? No, we're doesn't where do you have your finger on Jesse smollet? I'm sorry. Not touching him. I I don't think he works yet. None none. No, totally. You think really he's giving me on dance. Started stars jitter. Yeah. It'd be on dancing with the stars. Would you have on this book? Would you know? Why not I don't think he I don't give a fuck. I don't think he would be talking about. I do not kids cigarette acting empire. I don't care. You know what I'm saying? Like what what are you talking about? He's not going to be real. He's a liar isn't come actors. Don't work on this on this down on podcast. They don't we have acted on before. They like they feel like they have to play a certain role there to be honest kind of boring with one. Yes. Many of them. It's here lines from the producers about actors every with one. That's just not even I'm not even sure. What it means? You're looking Larrea. I mean, that's so it's true. It's true. Well, I mean was not like that Martin sheen. He was Martin sheen. He was really he's really interesting like he had some really strong points of view on stuff. I was like, Dan. This guy's it was like the anti James woods, you said one time. So there's this movie called guilty by suspicion about the McCarthy era when deniro comics, I mean actors and writers and directors and anybody who was who is suspected of being a communist it was a little bit. Like, it was like it was there was a witch. Fifties. Okay. This was fifty to fifty it was a witch hunt. And so if you ever went to a communist meeting, if you had friends that were communist, they brought you up in front of the committee for un-american activities. Forget communist meeting if you went to a friend's house. Yes. Who was a communist that was considered some sort of cosmic McCarthy was a Senator from Wisconsin. And he was quote, unquote, anticommunist, and he was going to root out communists from Hollywood and from certain academic institutions, but especially Hollywood so people like David Merrill, who is a great director and direct like kademi award winning or nominated, and they'd have mother and David Merrill, went to communists meetings at people's houses and argued because he was a capitalist. And he was like this, and he got kicked out of the meetings for arguing, but they said who gave us names who were you with name names that was and he said he said fuck him. I'm not doing it. And is a famous thing where he goes have you? No decency, sir. Have you know decency to the to the to the Senator McCarthy? And so there was a lot of a lot of Hollywood writers directors and actors never worked again. And if you ever see Iliad Kazan fun to eat with. I'm sorry. Oh, no. I was talking about I'm making I'm making a larger point larger point is it is it really big part of blacklisted. Yeah. And they never worked again and Martin. So I said to Martin sheen. I go I go Charlie Sheen's father. Yeah. And I said we were west wing. Yes. Oh, yeah. And I was doing we're eating and I said we're talking about guilty by suspicion. I said, you know, you never know how you're going to be haven that situation along this. This was what I did west wing fucking fifteen years ago. I don't know. And I go you never know how you're going to be haven that situation because what they would say if you don't give us names just tell us who is at the meeting. You don't even know these people, but you'll never work again your age and we'd be like Brennan listen to me right now. Fuck face. You got a TV show. It'll go away if you don't mention that everyone in. That's the thing. Are you are and I never. Charlie seat Martin sheen goes. Yeah, you do. Yeah. You do. And when you behave the right way or the wrong way, it's a confirmation on who you really are. And I never forgot that. I was like when the pressure's on. That's who you fucking. Let's see who you are. When when it costs, you something whenever I think about Martin, should I think that did you ever see hard hearts of darkness, a filmmaker's apocalypse the documentary that elements. Just thinking about losing it in that mere break, a heart attack in the middle of the she's yet they like each ranks so much. This is the best act and we've ever seen. He's ranked so much games would be he had to be special forces guy who had to go back into the jungle in Vietnam, and he had to he literally had put up bring up the opening scene of apocalypse. Now he had to fuck in. They had to have them going crazy like going, crazy Brando. I'm talking about Martin sheen and Brenda was current events who he was going. So Martin sheen in thing, he he starts drinking and doing I think Blo, and he was doing some pills. Anyway, long story short heart attack after he's done a heart attack. Yes, they will. This is him doing. It's it's to Jim damore seven minutes. Yeah. But either way other way, he's losing his mind, and he lost his mind. So so so Brando gets there the great Marlon Brando, and he's too fat. And he doesn't want them to shoot it from the light. Right. Yes. And like I don't want him to see how that I am. And then he swallowed a bug in the middle of his thing. He didn't know his longings. He was all fucked up man off rocked up. This is the same. It'd be tough not to do drugs. If that was the kind of role so how I felt on election night. It's kind of out of it. That's that's Charlie Sheen's debt. I mean, I wanted to point the biggest fucking movie star. I guess I keep forgetting your thirty six. Yeah. That's how old we are. He's older to me. Real he's. But he's still doing it. I'm thinking, I'm Michael Douglas's, dad. Did you see him at the Oscars ninety one hundred years old? Kirk Douglas, Douglas is Kirk Douglas theatre, you know, he's a wrestler. I think he was like a high level wrestler two in college not now. No, we still doing Russell. Ninety nine Kirk Douglas was put up bringing your league picture of him and bring up. His wheelchairs and the. Ramps. He was the he was one of the original Hollywood tough guys look at them. Yeah. Yeah. And like what are the early like actor moguls had like his own production company like multi picture deal? Let's look at the dividend is in in Culver city. There's the Kirk Douglas theatre there, right? Yeah. He built it with his bare God damn hands suck and looks like just richest shit there is no, yeah. That's what my grandma father took it on long. What? What father time is like we're gonna he. He's had his face pulled a great run though. He had a great run one of the best. I woke up hall of Famer the other day, and I couldn't move. I must shoulder forty and someone said what would you do? I woke up just what it can stop. Like, I didn't I didn't lift a half gallon of milk. I just woke on time like, oh, you must have slept funny. I was like, no Nicey. While those baseball players do all that shit. I would. The only athlete I've ever met pro athlete who just doesn't have any injuries. It's kinda crazy like like, you don't have any issues Comey's no because I left and he gets a little when I was in San Francisco with tarp one guy from the Detroit Lions in another guy from who's about to go play. Pro they were just enormous men. And these were they were twenty two twenty three and they have coming up, and I said wedding. Well, I've had both my shoulders redone. He's I got I got I was like I mean, they're they're they're literally Humpty Dumpty. But they're huge or the huge. I'm not that big a huge. You're pretty big great Danes have issues. I'm not that compared to those guys. You know, what I'm saying great play football for twenty twenty year with teen years at least. Okay, you fought. And you have I mean, you'd think you'd have some not that big like if you if I'm around other UC heavyweights, I'm not big, right? But run football players not. How does that keep you from being injured because I do like great Danes? Great Danes have fucking hip displays, you know. I just think the big. Body's breakdown hitting hit- along strain. It's a strain of the weight is a strain of every body mass. Here. He does though because he does big is always break. I always six four to sixty bubble your big guy. But but I'm big to you in pro sports. I'm not big. I'm big to you as an actor right in pro sports. I am not a, but that wouldn't. I would think that if you're a bigger you'd have more padding, and you could take no or you don't have any issues or anything. That's what I'm trying to say. It's the strain. It's the strain all all this herring. And that height and hit well that doesn't help. Right. But that's why rob gronkowski who retired. And I think most people should know this. No shipment. The guests had all those injuries. He's kind of done it all on years young. He's just like. Yeah. Mountain like, Mike, my boy, cloth and Stein. The main reason he retired. He was a first pick in the sacred to the St Louis Rams, and then huge kept getting injured. And was like, I'm so sick of being hurt way. I remember after a game in Detroit Lions went to go. See and plays first touchdown catch. And he had to help them. Walk up the stairs. After now, say Jesus Christ. I know a guy Miami. Can help them out how protocol but you've been around enough athletes. You know, I've been athlete where when I see the stuff with h h and then going these clinics. I give dude if people only had us hint of what those guys go through everyone else would do it as well or everyone everyone does like, you know, a lot of most of the people that go to the these anti-aging to you annex are not professional athletes. They're just lay people who feel good and they want to reverse the ravages of time everyone. I mean, that's what it is. Good things about these cell cell stem cells are like the athletes. Of course, what constitutes a performance enhancing, drug everything. Caffeine's a performance enhancing drugs and Fettah means Admiral there's a disproportionate number of players that get waivers to be on a roll. I say disproportionate I mean to the general population. It's not all. In baseball. You have what one hundred sixty two games in one hundred and eighty days. It's the most grueling grueling schedule and professionals worse. That's why you see them phone it in sometimes because like you can't play it. It's honestly, it's like when you're when you perform for a living, if you're a Broadway, I friends on Broadway. And like, I don't know how you sing your heart out and dance your heart out eight eight eight times a week. They we don't you gotta cheat. It you got just to abors came in since I was a kid. I've been torn I've been on the road. I'm gonna take a break from music. Anyone is what they'll fucking us towards last year towards end my tour. I was not hundred percent. I was in checked out. And if people. Bullshit, man. You gotta easy. Like oh. That poor kid. Do you? Remember, you haven't more. We do the road. You're on the road three days four days you like you can't wait to come home. Can't wait Taylor swift was on the road for three hundred sixty five days, basically performing. She was traveling terrible. I don't know how you do that. I don't know. I really don't know. How you do that? I would go fucking crazy go crazy crazy. But also, you can see why people lean in towards supplements or PD's, especially in baseball hockey football that I mean tell you. So he's sixteen games. They get easy. But like the rest of the sports like or actors and comedians out on the road. I'm like, dude, I get it. When I was in Calgary, whatever nine ninety fucking shows. But then of that last one, I was losing my voice. I'm like, dude. It's someone had cocaine right now out snort all that up. Just to go ahead this ground it nineteen hundred the Yankees Mickey Mantle Whitey Bolger. Billy Martin they used to party at the Copacabana all night long have to be up for. One o'clock game. Maybe a double header there were doing Greenies. They were doing everything you got to somehow make you have a problem with it. That I do either the MLB realized about in the nineties that could they have those people who study everything they fund guys who weighed less than one sixty five first of all you don't hit as far. But also, the the other main reason was that they wanted bigger guys because they broke down for whatever reason when your body is a certain size like one sixty five one seventy and you're doing that over number. They didn't hold up as well. As the guys who had who are natural two hundred ten the fucking baseball monsters that they created steroids. Yeah. Getting out here. Mcgwire and Sammy Sosa was so fun, and they needed it. They needed it because the players strikes ninety four everybody thought that baseball would never rebound popularity and they needed these baseball monsters smacking balls to Guantanamo Bay. Like now now, they just they blackball those guys gave birth to now. I know it's listen baseball's like everything else in America. And in politics, it's the WWE now. Okay. So the storyline in two thousand thirteen was bud. C-league is getting ready to the Commissioner. Baseball's getting ready to retire. He is the steroid Commissioner, okay? Everybody knows it he knowingly exploited in profited from these monsters like these these dudes who literally we more for them in the movie from like their original body weight when they were rookies to to the wait until I can Saco and Mark McGuire. And you know, so so it's ridiculous. So everybody knew what was happening. Nobody cared. It was good. It was good television. So baseball they needed Alex to be the he'll that's that was the story line that made sense. Sealey goes to a second command. Rob Manfred says the scandal broke, please look like make it look like I did something about this documentary. Yeah. And so what scalp could be bigger than the highest paid baseball player of all time dreams. So they went after Alex Rodriguez both sides spent millions of dollars broke laws. Okay. Went head to head in. This battle of the legacies of bud C-league versus Alex Rodriguez. They bust them yet. They reduced his his suspension, but it was still like the longest in history. It was an entire season. By the time, the smoke cleared, and then Seelig retires goes off into the sunset. Rob manfred. A second in command who ran this whole ridiculous Boston Vesta Gatien, which includes quintessential Florida, fuck ary. He becomes the Commissioner of major league baseball. And he goes, okay. What's the story line? Now, if you're Vince McMahon, you know, the best story line is when the he'll becomes the hero. So now, what is he brings in for crying out loud? Not only a rod, but Charlie hustle. Pete Rose himself. To be commentators on FOX. And and they were brilliant. Rots so good and muscle crazies route goes on those teams been banned from baseball again as a second. He's gone. They they fire. Faizy? Yeah. He's he's he's off Alex is sensations. The best they have he's in best. Oh, my each Soviet. So he's so awesome. Anyway, I never get New Yorkers love to hate him because they always say chokes during the playoffs and they'd like fucking with this blue lips and all the guy's phenomenal. He's just he's he's he ever seen him in person kid was six four to thirty handsome. She I told you when I saw him in Vegas. I I think those with Rogier eating at strip steakhouse in Vegas, and there's a whole table of us and a-rod zero with two girls. He's seeing things there were two girls at the bar. And I go with my favorite. I love a rod, and I look I oh shit. There's a rod and the guys at the table they go fuck that guy. Like the foot. What you but he talk. What do you mean? Fuck back. But you know, what he's done for this guy. This amazing. You kidding me? This one of the best baseball players to ever live. He's interesting Karen respect for for that skill set. He's an interesting character J, lo you more. He's also he's also like his teammates like him. Like, he's also well liked isn't he? Beat hasn't done his recess dot. What's the? Compelling about his second act. Right. He was always despise hated. And so it's it's like so this wasn't that jealousy. Wasn't that just sort of like? Here's your do. Yes. You're talking. I'd get along. Let me tell you. It's something a little. Expert here. I'm all. He he's an so. Your mention Justin Bieber, I think there's this theory, so in recovery and the role recovery they say that your emotional growth is stunted at the age you start using. So the twelve year old kid that goes into moms medicine cabinet and starts, you know, self medicating pills. But you're you can get older, but you're always like the motionlessly stunted. I think that's true of super famous people me Justin meeting that fame when you get that fucking famous, and that rich, you are emotionally stunted that age why people stopped telling, you know, people stopped telling you the truth. Well, the we we'll get out. I'll get lied to win. We are we are from our failures from telling us know from people setting boundaries, and you don't have boundaries. You're Michael Jackson. Your your Jackson. You're crazy. You're emotionally stunted at the age you became that famous. And that rich you can't if you can't walk outside to buy a pack of gum. That's to fame. Michael jackson. He had to rent out supermarkets hire actors, so he could pretend you shopping to feel like a normal person. You don't think you're fucking in the head, Alex? I Alex is that famous and that rich and writing and so he's like I met him. He pitched us this documentary in November of two thousand thirteen that's why I'm here. That's why we did this. Yes. His ideas. Choose his idea, and I met him right in the thick of the arbitration with MLD, then right in the thick of the arbitration story broken early twenty thirteen in the Miami New times biogenesis steroid scandal. Right. And Alex was the only one of the players caught up in it who appealed his suspension. I guess he figured had nothing to lose. He got the biggest suspension, and so he decides I'm going to go after it. So they go to arbitration everybody else gave up everybody else. Even Ryan Braun who lost his mind for awhile in that whole scandal left. He just VP. Let me take my lumps and then. Yeah. He went. He went crazy for a minute blamed like the tester for being anti semitic problem. It was under the bug was ugly, and Alex as it turns out it's in the documentary. Alex threw him under the bus Alex's camp. Leaked other names. Like Ryan Braun after the initial story came out to Yahoo. In order to like take some of the focus off of Alex in it his team was they were they were it was fucking readings war were ruthless. He Royal ROY black the biggest criminal defense attorney in Miami. He he got a PR team private investigators. There was money on the streets. This was a whole modest motherfucker thought back. Oh, he fought back. Oh, this was this was OJ. This is OJ versus the fighting his legs. Thank you would go that to those extremes -solutely because everybody about everything always. That's what he did when we met. He's just lied, Alex it. Yeah. Yeah. Who can blame them? I mean, I'm a documentarian. Lied him from living lied about his use of. PD at this stage in his career. Not lied about knowing Tony Bosch the fake doctor who is who who worked with Manny Ramirez. And all these guys has anyone really came out and admitted like did you see the thirty for thirty on ESPN with Sammy Sosa? No, I haven't seen have you seen the interview they do the sit down. I haven't the little roll who's interviewed him. I can't fucking stand like that. But he sits down with Sammy Sosa, and they're like friends, and he's in his home. And he goes so Sammy, you know, obviously, you you've done lotion to your face. And you know, he's like kind of like poking him. And he goes you've done steroids. You've we we can go and Sammy's like he's trying to answer. And he's like I've never failed to steroid. I've never failed a test. All I know is I've never failed tests. And the guy keeps going come on. We all know you've I've never failed a fucking testament. So what do you what do you? Do. You only say he's like, yeah. But you've done PD's, and he's like I have in his horrible broken issues. I have never failed a test. Like, what do you want me one from me? And they and any was we. Gotta stop. That's like walks off comes back is. I don't know. I thought we were friends. I don't know what you disrespect his his his skin hit. This whole weird thing with the skin is the strangest thing I've ever seen in my life. How do you get yourself to be that color? What look like a mood ring. I think he like now he has a different slightly different pigmentation. Like, none of those guys because of the tainted legacy. None of them really say they've actually done it. Right. Billy like has like berry bonds McGuire. No one's really taken responsibility. Alex himself has never really done the may culpa tour. You know, like, he's never really guys you. So you did all the research. They found doctors they found the guys who are giving the steroids out who then named names is that what it was kind of. Here's the thing. This story is not actually about Alex Rodriguez. It's not about him. Don't tell him that. But it's not about him. The story is this Carl hiaasen Elmore. Leonard Cohen brothers esque tale of Florida fuck ary of this botched heist movie. It's here's the thing. The career of the highest paid baseball player in history, effectively ended over a four thousand dollar debt between a cocaine addicted fake, doctor and his fake tan addicted story patient uses crew and okay on row, Iran, and all these they were collateral damage in this in this battle over four thousand dollars four weeks time, this guy snapped said fuck this guy this and this whistle blower stole the documents from Tony bashes little like like office park. Storefront office on US one right across from Alex Rodriguez field university guy, secretly administering all these Tony Bosch was the founder of biogenesis and a series of other shady gray market clinics. So the anti-aging business exploded in Florida like in the in the zeros and appropriately. So the mythology is that steady on the Spanish explorer discovered Florida on the search for the fountain of youth. Correct. And so whatever doing is working in my like what the fuck is that? It is amazing spring break remake fell a flat be found leading amazing. So what's Bosch doing? Then. Then then now. He's off cocaine for five years. So that's good. That's a good start. If you got money he was in. No, he was in a like he was hitting rock bottom at the time. The scandal erupted went to federal prison for two years in no, small part and deservedly. So because he administered some of this shit kids high school high school, parents and coaches brought their kids to him to give them an advantage in the draft. Again. It's not surprising. Not surprising. You don't so hyper competitive. I mean, really. Allergy me, you kidding. Yeah. No, forget college. They dig it drafted right from high school seventeen years old miners. Absolutely. So they're looking for every advantage. And they're smuggling rings that smuggle kids from Cuba and South America to the United States in order to pursue their baseball dreams. Jeez. Yes. The American dream is to get smuggled the United. When are you going to college football? Well, I did the u U partout I feel like I feel like you mean like NCWA shit. I mean, like the sketchy shit not didn't really didn't really prepare for this. This. All professional today. I can't wait to watch started this interview with like you say stew, though. Okay. Go your documentary. Now, he who pitched document pod to grew ball. Politically. So you get too much hate 'cause he small lay today to embarrass myself more where where does this come? Where do we see scruple screwball opens Friday, March twenty nine that's this Friday. We'll baseball's opening days Thursday, March twenty eighth so screwball opens. In select theaters twelve cities on Friday, March twenty ninth and next Friday, April fifth on VOD machine. So I tuned Amazon pay per view where you can demand a rut seen this. I don't know. He he and Jalen were welcome to any screening. They want free of charge Rodman s to pay for a ticket though mix, but they're welcome any screening. I don't expect to get a wedding invitation. But they're they're welcome. So so it's not as flattering to a rod. Well, it's the truth. Yeah. That's so it's not flattering, by the way to anybody. Right. Nor should it be though, if there's no he could do this documentary in paint them in a good subject. You think it was a cluster fuck and everybody acted like children. That's why we have children play. All the active with children. It's all true. The trailer. We show you the trailer. I've I've seen the Trish show, and my and my resume. Where's my GP? Fairly truth is I didn't know you were going to be on the podcast until this morning surprise. Movie booked at six weeks. I did not. No, no. I was not to meet your heroes because they'll break, your heart. The moment every member wanted to be a baseball player. It was the American dream. I got kicked off the team for smoking weed. It was a disaster. My plan was go into medicine medicine, medical and performing arts. It was a perfect way for the anti-ageing movement especially down here in Miami. Everyone's things now now now it's almost no regulations you'd have pretended to be authors. Given all types of medical advice. He had a white lab coat that said, Dr Tony bunch. He had a stethoscope around his neck was a doctor. Would you wasn't a doctor coke decline within weeks? He's focused was much better. He felt a lot quicker. Just got says. Yeah. Mike cousins in the eighties. It was a he says I want whatever Manny was taking had a true believer right away. You know, seven days after started my program, you went ahead in one game three whole months, and he said, I'll give you an extra one hundred and fifty grand a year. If you give me an exclusivity as for two hundred and you gotta deal. Visit Joe run cost money at this time, bow Genesis had close to three hundred athletes, we were consuming so much product. I had to go to the black market to. Okay. I just stumbled a cost some kind of stoic wing ending. I was going to get caught. I was busy going to palm. Artie cocaine Bill thousand dollars a month. Steroid scandal in sports history exploded over four thousand dollars. It's look if I don't get my money up blow this whole thing up put a bit. It was just a bit get rid of steroids. Now, this is my whole life my legacy. You told me why she served one any Tony Bosh? Tony Bosch is a drug coke addicts bad son that father bad brother, bad, Emily. What can you tell us about? No, he's lucky. He's not in the canal anywhere. This guy's connected. A lot of people don't do this. You're gonna get killed. So I got my nine millimeter. That guy's a messy sleazy thing. Major league baseball did and trained to pay witnesses threatening people too plop rate a rod in his crew. We're doing almost the exact he pretty much can forget the hall of fame. We've almost like, hey, mom. I made it to the big leagues. But in a different way. You can make this. That's incredible. That's good. It's wild. I can't wait. I cannot wait Bosch seems like he's what's Italian. He's Cuban Cuban Cuban. Yeah, he's he's got his last name is is actually no relation to Chris Bosh Miami Heat. But his last name is has hold a lot of sway on the streets of Miami. And the Cuban exile community his dad's cousin Orlando Bosch is one of the most famous anti-castro Cuban exile terrorists in history among his on his resume. He stood on the causeway, connecting the city of Miami and Miami Beach right by the port of Miami. All the cruise ships are and he had a bazooka on his shoulder this in the late seventies. And he fired a missile at a polish freighter because companies to come in east. And fortunately, it didn't arm as it fired. He just hit the side of the freighter rolled into the to the water Christ Jesus jail time for that. Oh, hell, yeah. But he's a hero in the Miami Cuban exile community. So it's just it's that kind of story. That's that's little. Tidbits like that. And you know, and then, of course, a bunch of kids running around facial hair and lab coats. It's all forms, and I can't wait super creative the way he did it. Here's what's clear to me, too is so we know all this stuff about Bosch. We know about you know, the the stuff with the NFL in the dude in northern Kelly. What's his name, the guy who got Balci all that? But if people think that the P D's, and all that stuff isn't going on right now, there's another sort of there's there's gonna be a whole nother thing. And people say you're like in Miami. Like who's the new Tony Bosch like in Miami? Like, where do you go like new it's real easy to figure out you drive around south Miami Little Havana, Hialeah suburbs of Miami Dade? And you look in like office parks strip malls. You find like a nondescript place where it says like clinic on the outside, and like a mirrored or tinted window and a bunch of cop cars from different police departments parked in front of it. And that's why the cop cars because they're watching what he know their clients twenty Bosh had a hundred cop clients, usually massages from I gotta get on fucking. A crap about Robert Kraft, Florida show, always a party Jupiter Jupiter feet wrote Gubkin jacked off sorry. Get what this shows he's going in. They come out like three minutes later. That's quick. Yeah. You mean the ninety year old billions getting jacked off by? Also, just be cool ban. Let him do that. With the problem is I think. I think. The patriots are always draining balls. Hey, you're a bit of a fucking whistle blower. Me that I can sip. I if you're really. Does the whistle blowing. Then he's like, let's get story. A lot. There's a lot of a lot of whistle blowing. But enough about right? Have you ever thought about doing like as you learn more? I mean, I I'm there's so much pressure on me from people because I'm fifty two they're like get on TRT, man. What the fuck you doing? I'm always at. All right. I guess I could. I said to my doctor. I said what about us? He goes. How do you feel I go good? And he goes. Yeah. Okay. Prayed. You have. Absolutely. I told you this. I just love your standup. You have the most physical stand up show that I like ever see. I get tired about that on steroids though. Right. That's how you sell them fucking roof with a shovel of the that's how they rod you hit thirty runs. Imagine you on steroids. The way I look at this out have to take to shoot to southbound on my ass. And then I have to take an estrogen inhibitor, maybe. And then you gotta get your blood checked every three mo-. That's a lot of shit. I think I might just get old then you wouldn't mind being fucking Jack. Do do it. Right. Then you would of those like Harvey Levin like older, dude. Who's like jacked? And then people look at you like the same people who told me get on. And they're like what did you do? Face busting out of your clothes. Yeah. Button. Your awkward shaving my chest near here. Yeah. When old guys get off. You're painting yourself Kampe, orange like hulk HOGAN. You know, he's a has Ron. I do want to get my. I'm gonna have my is lifted. I'm gonna look great right to do that fucker. What's the next door? You Billy Billy. Where do you go from here? The clinic with Callan. Money for U T in Stanton. Dace bond Jupiter and see what's going on. Yeah. What is your next project? You have any ideas. Right. Yeah. We just actually finished the dock that we've premiered at the Miami film festival at the same time. We did this one called Naji city hustle. And this is about the struggle. Get is it. No, it's not. But that but that would be that I should want them. What are we sitting around here for? So it's about get this. So former university of Miami athletes. Got an Email from the department saying if you are not doing anything because a lot of former athletes don't have it like going on. They're going to be tryouts for magic city casino to play highlight. Play. What highlight you don't know highlight? Would you? Would you not prepared for this interview? Highlight you gotta this game is crazy. It's a Spanish game from the Basque region of Spain with a handball with a curved wooden bascay better angels right bet on him. He had the ball goes one hundred and fifty miles and hours super easy called the world's fastest sport. What years this they sent that Email but last year? Oh, so here's the thing. And we followed them for the first season. Here's the thing in Spain. This is like baseball or football. Or is it like, it's will the kids grow their born with basketball. Cricket india. Right much here. These guys have never heard of it. Some of these guys got the emails spill J A L Y. So some guys are like what is Jalala I'm gonna go play Jalala, and they're like, no, you know, how to pronounce it all. I'm sorry to interrupt with hammer recruiting them to play the game because they're freak athletes. Ataman? Oh, I see. They never played this game before hope with athletic ability, really hard. They disguise sucked. Dude. They started January February of two thousand eighteen training. And then they on July first ready or not they were professional highlight players. And at that, they were the worst highlight players in the world. But it was like also skill in the history of the game. There's only been like three African American players in the history of the game. These guys came in. It was like cool runnings or something. It was like is really charming almost like what even hardly jer league slapshot. Like kind of like underdog story. We followed them around for the whole first year and gives here's thing. Do they make any money on on people? Make money gambling of mytalk gambling athletes may Muslim be called it. Magic city hustle because it's talk gamble. It's all gambling. It's a gambling sport. Yeah. They don't give a fuck that. They're not very good. Now, they have a lot of pride though as from hurricanes swag blues in late. So so my my buddy, my buddy in Connecticut, guys, forty years old Kelly baseball player you remember Kevin Kelly Twitter back at and and professional baseball player to NAR Davis here. And but here's the thing being in shape. Like that has nothing to do with your ability. Let's seal set just practice. Yeah. It's muscle memory, which one of these guys make. So they were makes the first they had a salary Vick salary. But here's the thing that got healthcare. Some of these guys you guys are driving ice cream trucks. Some of them are driving. Uber. One of them's caught. This guy was a cop in Georgia. And like so it's called magic. So you house because it can Miami. You've heard of the gig economy, we call it the hustle economy. And nobody has one job. I mean your side hustles have side hustles in Miami. They just released a study in the United way if you weeks ago sixty percent that's six zero sixty percent of Miami Dade County. Residents cannot afford to make ends meet basic needs and forty percent of those are the working poor. So they have at least one at least one job and they can't afford to live in the county. That's a lot of the country. And that's why that's why I was saying when Trump gets up and goes to bring back jobs. That's why the Miami of today is the American tomorrow and every single every single plant and manufacturing location. He promised he'd save has basically closed since he campaigned in front of it, and and literally exploited those poor people, but cells working, how's your document? How's this end these guys just stick with it? They love it. We follow the money will sees it. We just followed them for a full season. And some listen some of them get a little better. That they competed can compete against like legit guys who've been playing your professionals who've been playing their whole lives. But listen, they got a base salary. They got medical and dental insurance. And then every game they played eight games at day. How long's again from Wednesday to Sunday that was like fifteen hundred games they played from July one to thanksgiving. So my my friend who's now, unfortunately did have a brain tumor, but not Frank, but me and dubs ran. He was a car. He was a mathematician, and he and his three friends used to go down in Connecticut. And they, and you know that. And they would go down. And they would they would use their math to basically win at highlight. I don't know how they did. It do you know how they would do that. Let me tell you. And then the mob came up and said, and he said to me he goes this guy came up and he was smiling. And he goes, so, hey, listen, you can have to find another place because they know it's. Yeah. Counting cards, and but he goes finally, he goes, I don't understand what you're saying. Do you not want us to play? And he goes, you're not welcome here anymore and they're like oh fuck. Okay. No problem. Thanks a lot. You get through that a Connecticut. You know, you find away. But how would they how would being a mathematician allow you to pretend to understand this? 'cause I really fucked up on this project. I spend five months watching highlight. And didn't learn how to bet on it. Some of the guys on my crew did and they wanted to three hundred bucks just on a two dollar bet. It's so you bet like trifecta as numbers, and you can hear it is notorious this sport has a reputation for being notoriously corrupt and Miami. Vice? A whole episode about it 'cause it was huge in the eighties sport. And so these guys are not good enough to be able to be corrupt to cheat at it. So you actually the gamblers love this. Because like they said, oh, they're so bad. It's there's like transparency here. They can see them practice, and they go this guy is this guy's buck and catch this guy. So there's if you know how to do it you can make money doing it. I have no idea how how they did. I I really like these guys and some of them. I mean, it literally opens with one of them driving a a a ice cream truck through liberty city. It was the neighbor that moonlight took place in with a an Uzi for protection. And and ends with him doing pretty doing pretty good. That's cool. I mean, it's it is cool as well for them. I don't know if they love it. But at least it's a means to an end, I guess dude in five months some of the made six figures in five months so between the fifteen hundred games. So for every game these eight games every game. Like the guy who came in. In a number one got like one twenty five let's say bonus second guy got seventy five third guy. Got fifty four th guy got twenty five so just in accumulating those plate just placing one through four you're getting a little money than at the end of the season. They gave out bonuses for whoever had the most wins. First second and third in singles for second in doubles in this league in America. I've never it's a casino. It's it's it's called magic city casino. It's by the airport. It's a locals casino. It's like all our Whittlesey elite us sixty seventy eighty year old Cuban folks, just from the neighborhood Little Havana and be fun to go to do to do. They they have salsa live salsa band every Friday and Saturday. They're shaking their Kuo's there. It's coming down to Miami. In may to do visit us. Yeah. Killing pie on me. All right. Thank you. Absolutely. You. The new improv Miami. Great. Yeah. That's great. Is it one of the best interest? News derails Waila, right? Stayed in Brickell. All the way in Philbrick is dead four seasons. Rich now. So I said the four seasons than with drive to brick. Why didn't they put you up at the Trump wral? That's right there. Well, they weren't they because you can stay there. There's a hotel over there because rattles way west house the Trump around. It's right. I don't know everything west. I don't think it's right by the airport. Basically, it's Jason to only took us like twenty minutes, but we get depending on the time of Dan Brickell yet depending on the time of day. It's not certain times a day. It's it's it's rough but I've never flown into Miami. During the day, you've probably only flown at night, you see Trump's name in big letters that wral his golf courses right there. Just south of the standing Jimmy woods can do the back nine. Heels so high that Trump knows the see if they'll put you up over there. You can get good deals on Trump lease. Yeah. Because nobody is staying there. Yes. What I wouldn't give a fuck. Fuck hen house for fucking him. Right. Lotta times says even known his name that does buildings. He doesn't own. There's a hotels in in New York that I used to stay in all the time. They'll Lower East Side, the Kushner brothers just bought it. I will not stay there anymore. I don't care. How you read Sar Plumpton at Trump's son-in-law? The demand in charge of our, you know, foreign policy Middle Eastern policy. He'll bring that guy. He'll bring peace. All right, man. How do you think he got into school ask and Becky ambiguous? She his dad's a criminal who donated millions of dollars to Harvard think use handler his SAT scores on studied anything. Dr his daughter Dr Pepper. The documentary jobs this week Friday, March twenty ninth day after winning Dave MLB MLB, and then and then you have a couple of weeks ago, the distributor Greenwich entertainment. They just released free solo that when the Oscar yes documentary documents, so they they they dropped our trailer of a couple of weeks ago. Started to pick up steam people like this is funny sharing it building building some buzz the next day Instagram. A rod is on one knee putting a ring on Jlo's finger. I wanted to text eras publicist and go well played dude type weld well played Brel hidden. So I was just asking someone said, hey, do you think this is legit this this like a PR thing with jaylo? And I'm the reason to believe that. But the like, oh, you think they're ever going to get married? I said our movie comes out on Friday, March twenty ninth. They'll get married on Saturday March thirtieth. If history is any indicator. I love it man, and people can get it. Where again, we'll twelve cities New York LA. I think Chicago Miami Boston on Orlando because Florida and then VOD next fry following Friday, all those on the works, pay per view. Yeah. Appreciate tomorrow, man, anytime. Thanks for brother. Thanks miami. Can't wait. Yes, sir. Well, there it is Billy Corbin ballboy cocaine cowboy stuff, I love Billy. He's great fucking great. Always interesting doesn't make a bad documentary this. That's right. I'm gonna give my dates now do that will sign out Philadelphia. One show still has tickets that's late show. Thursday. Check it out Calgary sold out adding show Thursday late show. Denver April twenty five twenty six twenty seven still tickets left comedy works downtown all tickets T fat, Kate. Hammy with Billy nine and eleven. What does that place called to Miami, improv? Miami improv may tend to place. Yeah. Nine ten Doshi. Brian tickets this week, I'm in DC all shows sold out twenty tickets left on Thursday, though, Thursdays when not sold out Phoenix. We are almost sold out as well. Phoenix end of April two twenty six of the twenty seventh get east now, K dot com for tickets complicated. Apes still out there where you rent and by still doing well. Thank you to everybody complicated apes boom, especially the fun kid route.

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Resenha: Nervosa - Perpetual Chaos (Death Thrash Metal Brasileiro)

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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

43:51 min | 2 years ago

The Sedano Show (HR 2)

"The sudan show here n e._s._p._n. L._a. Thanks for joining us there. Andy sent me a great story because darn. It went a whole day without rest. I know bryant. We all know you'd rather work with. I get it. That's not true. I love you both equally guises fall off the fence. You share the same twitter. That's your it is true. I think that is part of it. Well at this point it just like it. If you stop now you lose access to like forty thousand people right. That's the problem album but nobody builds up a twitter following anymore. It doesn't happen yeah. We're both too lazy to instagram. Why did you start together. Seem like a good idea at the time join forces. Oh why not go into radio seem like a good idea at the time. I mean all look back with regret on a lot of things yeah i i liked them. What did you <hes> the question about <hes> we asked her about the strangest injury with all antonio brown thing the jason pierre paul is definitely finally a strange injury. I remember sammy sosa years ago dumb than strange with j._c._p. Something that he his credit by the way has been in the forefront discussing over the years as he does like a p._s._a. Every fourth of july like it's it's actually a big thing for him to make sure people don't do what he did so i'll give him at least credit for that considering yeah. It wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do it originally but the one i saw today sportscenter is is running like some of these strange injury stories sammy sosa <hes> i don't remember i think it was two thousand four. Maybe it was four. I don't know it it was one of the years in the early two thousands where he throughout his back sneezing while occurrence while at the plate yeah and it was an just couldn't continue at at that point which is crazy. There's always the jeff kent one from back in the day where he was that was it ended up being a motorcycle motorcycle. He tried to tell people like he fell down the driveway or something. The battery slipped and phone is that there's the vlad radmanovic one where he was. He said he slept. He's actually snowboarding right right. I do remember that that was a real one percents in one the the kicker jack del rio brought in like a ax to tell yeah and he was playing with an engaged himself for the season. He's martine gramatica. The kicker or was bill gramatica one of the gramatica brothers toward their bleed been achilles just warming up bill. Bill bill has a player named kirk broadfoot who in two thousand nine burned his face when an egg he was microwaving exploded. Yeah that's not good. That's tough well. Have you ever thrown out your back sneezing because that is a big zayn of being a one hundred percent. Yes that happened to me once and i really knew i was old at that point test like a little muscle of all the things that of all all the things that have started to break down in my body and there are many the back is the one thing that myself a little bit of leeway on because i actually back in high school right so like i remember like getting ready for football games in high school like bending down time i shoot and getting stuck right. I having back spasms in high school so i give myself a little little bit of break there. It's like when you're just walking in. My knee hurts yeah. I haven't been playing ball. I'm it just just walking and the worst is when you're walking or running or moving and you stop but parts of your body. You're still moving like takes us. Stop and then the rest of your body stops like a half a second later <hes>. I don't like that feeling that's when you know when you get back on the part of it too. We all have young kids. Sometimes you might pick them up or you might be bathed in them are just kind of pick them up in the different direction. You know it's hard. It has a lot to do it sometime. I agree yeah. I think it's it's funny because i get i. I have a friend who wanted to try h._g._h. Because it was so popularized by athletes right like and he gave it a shot and he said to me and you know he went to a doctor and the doctor administered this and all that stuff and he said i've never and he's my age now. This is probably like five six years ago and he said he'd never felt better in his life. Like all the reason people take this all those little aches and pains was gone absolutely i it was what right and and that's what it kind of led me to believe so billy corbin the famous documentarian cocaine cowboys. He's done a bunch of thirty thirties right billy corgan right who who is pumpkins right this would be corbin not corgan <hes> he he's been on the show before and his most recent documentary inscrutable. It's actually out on netflix right now and it's about the biogenesis scandal and the funny part about the documentary is that he gets children jordan to play the parts of like alex rodriguez guys right. It's pretty hilarious and then he has any obviously he's he's talking to anthony bosch. Who's the guy who's the. I guess faked doctor who is the epicenter of the biogenesis scandal. He was the guy administering all these particular the drugs all these athletes across the board but it makes me think like i would. I saw somebody on twitter talking about that movie and in the person said and i'm in this camp to like he said i would do everything alex rodriguez did if it were me like i don't care and you know what to think about alex. Rodriguez came out of this kind of burned but yet now has resuscitated his career. He took a minute but he got. He resuscitate his career with the broadcasting. I write he started on fox and then jennifer lopez and he's on e._s._p._n. Sunday night like he is resuscitated his career. I have always had the firm position of. I don't care what any of these guys take. I don't mason was doing the barry. Bonds is not the home run king for me earlier. I am the opposite of that. I this is all done for my entertainment. I don't care why do i need to be holier than thou. I don't care that silvester. Stallone at seventy was caught allegedly allegedly in australia couple of years ago with vials of h._g._h. In his suitcase he's there to entertain me in a movie. These guys are there for entertainment. I know the argument is well. It's competitive competitive what you don't think acting as competitive. Here's the thing i for me. I look at it and i go. I would prefer that everybody played by the same rules everybody you know. The rules say you're not supposed to do it. Everybody play clean. It's it is legitimately unfair to the athletes who do follow the rules and try to do with the quote unquote right way and all that kind of stuff but two things annoy me first of all this idea well. This got caught. I will not vote for him for the hall of fame. This guy did not get caught. I once had a conversation with the guy who did a lot of training with is still playing. Men's league baseball for a guy who he's gig was training pitchers. <hes> ask them like how many guys are on something. Like what percentage would you say. It's like eighty eighty. Yeah eighty absence eighty percent of the guys didn't get caught so i'm not going to sit here and be like well. You got caught and you did in your dumb yes. You're not you're gone. Yeah you send the stuff to the stadium right. You're smart enough to send it to your uncle. The they were <hes> so i think you vote for who you think deserves to be in the hall of fame and you put it on the plaque. He got caught in two thousand four. Whatever you and i the other part that bugs me is the moralizing of it where you're sitting. I would never reduce yeah good luck. You're staring at you know the difference between either a you know a seven million dollars contract or a seventy nine million dollar contract or even more so the guy's stuck in aaa for six years can't get out needs. You know you get one contract in baseball. You're changing your life and your family's amy's life forever. You're gonna tell me you wouldn't you know be especially knowing other. People come on so jose. Canseco is widely considered kind of a clown right. I get it why but if if there's anything that he had real credibility on this issue absolutely right like he told you who was on and who was not and he also said the thing about this always resonates with me he said it will make a marginal player a good player and a good player a great player and a great player a- god okay and that's that's what happened. That's what happened with barry bonds and alex rodriguez. These guys were already natural talents when they were stick figures. You know what i'm saying like barry bonds had multiple m._v._p.'s when and he looked like someone who just a regular guy with one hundred and eighty five pounds alex rodriguez was a beanpole when he was young and these guys is eventually became godlike figures because of this so i like to me that kind of stuff to be able to say to yourself as you said eighty percent of the league or most of these guys are doing barry bonds. The story of barry bonds is fascinating on this front because he saw what mcgwire and sosa we're doing and he's like wait a second if those dudes who aren't even anywhere near as good as i am are doing that and they're getting all this pomp and all this love then i need to get on that stuff and maybe that's not the right approach to take but that's absolutely understandable just imagining you're the best in the world something whatever it is that you do you know driving around right now and and ten guys came along and we're cheating. They were selling getting getting insider trading information whatever it is and they were getting accolades. Incredibly you knew they didn't deserve better than them. That would piss you off. Course i and this is true across every industry with every so it's not just athletes the reason nobody cares. If you go i wouldn't do h._g._h. H._g._h. Yes because you're not marginal to turn into a good player you take h h you still suck it whatever sport this is. Nobody's gonna care how good you are in your rec league. But what if you were if you're an accountant your teacher your lawyer would ever and you could take that thing that was going to give you the extra fifteen twenty percents to propel you to corrup- of your the magic now now now you might not still you might say morally but the decision becomes a lot harder and so don't sit here and tell me that you wouldn't at least kick it around. What if you knew your family would be set up forever big house big car and all that agree one hundred percent. I'm with you. I'm a million percent. I we didn't do bacon and katie. We are going to find a way to get to get really make sure we have enough time to let that breathe. Aitken and katie stories separate stories. They're not together separate stories of bacon and not yet we will do that and they might be eventually conjoined brian cabinet ski hanging out saddam show. We are back in four and a half minutes. Sudan show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. brian cabinet ski today. Hey our helper thankful to have him here and we either undisclosed location. It might be next. Kobe's house here in the o._c. You don't know you can't prove it right. Brian sources yeah nikki kaye. <hes> sent me a message on the conversation we were having she works for spectrum says we're talking about just kind of the h._g._h. Phenomenon right and the moral of it. She says she feels same about lance armstrong and his four where everybody was doing it. I think i agree with that. I think the difference with armstrong is is if especially if you watch the documentary on him. Did you see the showtime documentary on him. I did it's it's the way he treated people. There's a bigger issue gets his own circle michael of hell right and it's it's not there's well. It's not just how we treat people. It's not just how you stand there and you you deny deny deny and berry people along the way he took money from people right like it's not i understand he was raising money for cancer and a lot of good came of that money and the live strong foundation nation. All that stuff did a lot of good work which still exists no question yeah and that's not that's not what i mean like. That's a different deal when you start trading rating on your honor and your cleanliness as an athlete and you're achieving as an athlete in this story which is amazing. You know if it's it's true and it turned out to be tainted in that way. You're picking it something really personal and you're in. You're praying on something really personal the land you know maybe some more money gets raised for cancer than otherwise would have but you know people would have donated somewhere else. Yeah good would have come out but i just i find that so deeply offensive how he capitalized on it in that way to make himself into this hero. He's one of my least favorite human beings all right so let's let's. Let's do this a little lighter now. We have only time because jason terry is going to join us in like seven or eight minutes. We only have time for either the bacon story or the k. d. story right now. We we could do one of them. After are you going bacon or you're going k. d. Let's do bacon okay so let me ask you the question all right. Would you like to earn a thousand dollars to eat bacon. Yes okay the southern california farmers boys <hes> <hes> is launching an inaugural one day bacon internship <hes> the new employees will be paid a thousand dollars to taste the chains new bacon loaded menu items uh-huh bacon lovers can apply for the position by posting a video or photograph to instagram that details why they would be good fit by. You know why it's a one day internship because you can't survive more than two days killed much. I mean i had eight stents. Put my heart couple years ago. Really i think that disqualifies disqualifies me from being a bacon intern but god speed anybody thousanddollars joey bacon for a day right. I mean if you're like twenty year old college student. Didn't you got enough time to work through that yet for sure. That sounds good yeah a lot of bacon. It is a lot of vacant but you gotta be young. I think that's the whole this is not. This is not an old man's game the bacon intern but man. That's a by nature is uh-huh what kind of intermix thousand dollars day that's and the other hand like this is one of the most lucrative internships i've ever heard of these california though so you got a ca- taxes right fed about forty percent do take a bite but i still six hundred bucks for free and making that is the highest paying internship. I think i've ever heard uh-huh shows you. How bad that baking can be if you eat a lot of pretty delicious. Would you know not right now all right now maybe twenty years ago twenty years ago for sure you would have done eggs to tweet me and you know what i'm talking about putting in your body in twenty years ago anyway just like between the conversation we're having before about like that's true getting old english. He hurts legs her like your by. You can't play pick up all anymore it. If it is and now i can't be a bacon they can intern anymore. Yeah yeah death is staring me in the face man right quarter. This has been the most depressing show confronting my own on mortality all day long right right. I think is baking the best breakfast side item e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. Oh i thought you were raising your hand. They're saying yes. I think so definitely not much what bacon like what else what else could be in contention attention sausage saucepan no absolutely not how about like biscuits. That's what i'm starting to them. Going in the break areas really good hashbrowns hashbrowns hash yeah. That's a side item for breakfast. Grits depends what you're doing biscuits and gravy and they're not only take one to the island. You're not taking grits over. Baking biscuits with jelly is a little bit honey. A good biscuit is pretty is pretty good too though you know what i'm saying if you if they're flaky buttery and just like like there's some biscuits you get breakfast place. That are so good that you don't don't even eat at butter to them because there's of butter ready pigs exactly you know what i mean like. Have you ever been to like one of those cracker barrel type replaces with the school in the south. Okay then yeah you have been. I've been to a cracker barrel but there're places in nashville like people wait like hours on a saturday or sunday waiting list to me but because the biscuits and gravy are that good that's the best use of sausage in a breakfast is in biscuits and gravy gravy. Yeah i would say the only only place i've ever waited to eat. There's a place in miami. Beach called joe stone crab. That's been there for a hundred years not even joe. I'm not even joking. It's like the best seafood place in town town. They don't take reservations so you. There are people that were waiting there for two hours so like when i get a lot of people tweet me like hey sit down. I'm gonna mind me for the first time where where do you go and and i always tell them you can go to this place. Don't go for dinner. Go for lunch because you're there are no reservations and unless you're willing to just hang out and drink for two our our thirty like an an old person right there. That's the only way to go about it but yeah like they're very few places. I would wait especially not a cracker barrel like that's not the billy corgan. What is what what is is your favorite guilty pleasure kind of restaurant okay. We can do that after jason terry okay. <hes> jason terry is going next. Billy corgan did text me screwball. Hey rod documentary a text me back. We're gonna have on right after jason sweeter fifty five. He's a waffle house guy yeah so other covered gotcha arizona waffle house the better than the texas for some reason. I don't know what yeah yeah so we can get into all the breakfast food stuff with him because he's a breakfast kind of sewer integrate documentarian so we will talk to him about his iran movie the biogenesis movie as well in just a little bit but jason terry. We'll talk some hoops with him. Next saddana show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. bouquets in the house today day. Don't forget i'll be out the next two days heddon on vacation but thompson and trudell never fear thomson trudell are here and they will be sitting in on the show the next two days a lot of june into those guys. It'll be a blast. There's michel right there. Maybe michael maybe michael. Give us an update on enclaves recovery. Michael is a national treasure is the bowling thing last night. Lucky strike. Thanks everybody for coming out to that and i just i met a really nice couple. We just sat and talked about michael time. My is is a great man. I'm glad though that klay got his basketball instincts from his mom julie though that clearly michael instincts wasn't that kind of shooter when he was when he was playing in the n._b._a. But this guy is on the line with us is going to join us now jason terry now. That guy was a shooter. He joins us now here on e._s._p._n. L._a. We we love michael thompson around here. <hes> jet clay's father obviously played with the lakers won a couple championships but we joke yeoman. You teach your son to shoot because you were a big man. You are way too close to the basket. Have you ever seen a dude like that. Like clay clay ranks where in your opinion union as far as some of the best shooters in the history of the sport top five times a day when you talk about that fishing in which he shoots the ball with and then the accuracy and then the record that i've never even heard of eddie creating with the least amount triples to score sixty points <hes> that to me puts them in a elite class leaked company with guys like reggie miller ray allen norma throw myself in their obviously steph curry but i've been watching clay since he was at washington state and i'll always thought yet the purest jump shot that i've ever seen in one motion one piece and it's the quickest released that i've ever seen so. I'm gonna make you rank them jet. I'm gonna put you in the in the blender here and i'm gonna make you go. I'm gonna make you rank those five. Where who who is it those top five you mentioned you included yourself ray allen reggie miller steph and clay ranked me those five from one to five or five to one one five to one where you ray is definitely number one <hes> my is <hes> to who i gotta go with clay to step at three ready for i'm at five. Hey you okay so you think raise just a pure shooter under of all of them did it for the longest period of time and the to me not only did he do it from three but people forget his may may arrange game steadily he also did it by running off screens and so <hes> to me that puts them in a category ebisawa now will it be eclipsed. <hes> klay comes back. Healthy plays another teen years <hes> yes definitely eclipse him. Obviously the the paste pay for steph curry is on is just unheard of he will step will rewrite the history books <hes> for the way he shoots the ball <hes> but if you're just was talking about pure form <hes> which with with what play she'll i like his form a lot better but again steph curry wearing susa the from with range the difficulty of his shots definitely puts him in a in a class of his own as well people forget about ray allen just even unlike does milwaukee and seattle days where he was still getting out and getting to the rim and yemen it on people. I think people forget like young people listening now. They're like oh yeah reality great three point shooter but you you played against him. You remember those days that i'm talking about yeah yeah yeah. I don't get easily because i've been dumped on. I think by three players everyone always from luke bryan right but there was a time in milwaukee <hes> in their home arena rail and comes down the lane and he takes on and takes me me with him and almost threw me the rim so yes ray allen was very explosive getting to the basket and he conduct a couple on your ear and they're jason and the other thing that you you did you play the game for a long time. You were somebody that was around for a while when you look at vince carter. How does that happen like what goes into guy being able to play. What is twenty two years in the league. Yeah i think the thing that gets overlooked a lot out of the time obviously if athletic ability <hes> his ability to stay healthy over that period of time but to me it's the character of the person person <hes> the consummate professional team mate <hes> they're vince is <hes>. He's a great locker room guy. He's a role model for those younger guys in that locker living and i just think that is not talked about enough <hes> but it will once he decided to hang up here and retire because <hes> you know his days of plan way a above the rim is over though he's still dunks more you know like no other <hes> and he's still because she'll get ball with range <hes> but i just think his value in his impact now all in his last years has been in that locker room and there was no other great examples in last year with the growth and development of young atlanta as they are you pass all star break and they picked up steam and they started a win close ball games. I thought that was a duck creek. <hes> impact of of what vince carter did the leader of jason terry with his here's part of the big three the big three. I believe is heading to miami this weekend. <hes> jason i people always talk about and i covered that those teams down there. They always say you know you gotta be careful with. The south beach flew <hes> when your team rolls into town. Is there still there's no south beach new for the big three right the big three as long. You're around forty two all about entertain and couldn't on a great show for the fan so i think all the guys in attendance ready to show up and put on a great show. If anybody has not watch any of these the big three games you wanna come into 'cause joe johnson forget to victory. This kit probably five on any team in the league like life. The way he's playing in the fifties plan with <hes> just just looks great man. He's in great shape great condition <hes> i hope to god that somebody gives them opportunity because he's still young and i think he's a fiberglass and on any team in our league a contender team like mike pence young team where he can be that veteran at guiding light somebody young guy anybody joel johnson very valuable anything and he's proven that i would just performance this summer and the big three. How many guys are in that category. That are playing big three because i it's it's way more competitive and i think at a higher level. I think people expected acted. That would be but you know talk about joe. Johnson carmelo's ali's obvious on the big three. But how many guys can you point to the big three that say that you know they should be back in the league handful of us in there as well because i'm in great condition and the way the game is played now and in the n._b._a. <hes> <hes> not st louis was came to physicality played a part. <hes> you know they got the day now. Pay off to the maintenance. Today's practice training camp is not as this guy alone and have longer careers <hes> without the rigorous recruit of the eighty two game season and postseason so <hes> on the cajones johnson. Josh smith is in the plant. Well <hes> came. We'll find 'em to me at his age. He could be a second or third point guard or any team in our league and run the show and create excitement offense. Thanks for any team so it. If there's a handful of guys in there and hey this is growing and and give more and more exposure <hes> you have more and more more guys that'll get that opportunity called up from the big three and put back in the league jason terry with this year of course big three and of course you check out. Their games is on the c._b._s. Sports network real quick before we let you go jet. Obviously we're here in l._a. Too crazy talented basketball teams here with the lakers and the clippers clippers right now if you were handicapping who is the better team. Which one of these teams do you think is better right now but right now on paper. If you look look at the lakers i mean anthony davis ron. James demarcus cousins top to bottom rondo bench bradley on that events kabul poll on that bench coz. I mean the talent along is better than any roster in the n._b._a. Top to bottom put in deadly. Who's a veteran who want to contribute <hes>. I mean that team is is so talented. It's just just a matter of getting out there getting some chemistry together and they're all down my mind that they should be in the n._b._a. Finals not to mention if you look at the coaching staff frank vogel ogle craig coach and my <hes> they look at jason kidd. Obviously i play with them. <hes> i played under him as a coach so i'd know what he brings to the table that is that snapping attending team right now now on the other and you look at doc rivers and his staff look y limit and paul george. That is the best defensive team in the league before we played any games just on reputation alone. Patrick beverley can throw liam <hes>. They're going to be tough. I mean the western conference can easily say. We'll put two teams in the n._b._a. Finals next year if they could rearrange how to format as nate jason terry big three check it out on the c._b._s. Sports network. They're going to be down in south beach this weekend. Jet always a pleasure chemin. Thanks for making time for us. You sir take care. There is jason terry with this year <hes> all right so we'll take a quick break on the other side. We were talking about screwball. All the the biogenesis documentary. The billy corgan made it's on netflix came out yesterday has gotten crazier. Views won a bunch of film festivals. It's something you should watch watch. Even if you're not a sports fan but obviously people here we're talking to are sports fans so the director he's the former not former but he is the director of cocaine cowboys that documentary as well. He's gonna join us. We'll chat with him in four minutes. Saddana show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. You're listening to caspian los angeles brian cabinet scheme. I guess co host today happy to have him aboard happy to have you guys aboard. Thanks to jason terry now breer for stopping by earlier targets n._f._l. N._b._a. with those guys now i wanna talk movies as we told you earlier we were talking about just kind of this theoretical conversation about moralising the usage of hgh in performance enhancing drugs and whatnot not so it led me to text my buddy billy corgan who is the great documentarian of movies like cocaine cowboys particularly. That's one that <hes> i'm sure many people not most of the audience is seen at some point and he just had a new documentary. That's one a ton of film festivals like he. He's killing it with this movie. It just got released on net flicks likes yesterday called screwball. It's about the biogenesis scandal and particularly arabs involvement so billy joins us now but corbin before we get into your movie which we have plenty me a time to get into your movie okay so relaxed but that relaxed bro who is the greatest fictional athlete in a movie all time great to be your freddie. Thanks so much for having me pretty pretty prints not here here today. I'm not that's not happening. Oh all right good night joins. Hey doing good greatest greatest athletes fictional athlete of all time. Oh yes <hes> negative cracking your brain. I have to say <hes> dan marino and ace ventura tura that actually would call good call that is in your car so you get the best fictional athlete of all time. Oh wow wow so harsh. You can go to one super bowl. He did he did and he would have more actually dan. Marino was a pretty good. He was also a little nicky. Don't forget that he told harvey r._v. Tell us the devil that he wanted to let him win a super bowl this is i can't do it for you. Dan just too nice. He's like dammit. You did it for nemeth. It was great great acting by marino with harvey guy. Tell so anyway i kurban. Let's talk about your movie screwball. It's one a ton of awards year like championed again and as the great documentarian you are for those that haven't had a chance to see and they can see it on netflix now what has been the biggest compliment. You've received achieved about this particular film well. It reminds me a bit of <hes>. Let me do the e._s._p._n. Thirty for thirty to you. You know a lot of people who watch action at the time. This was way back in two thousand nine. When it premiered after the heisman ceremony in december people were like i used to hate the a u <hes> growing up and or they'd say i'm not even a college football fans or even a sports fan but i watched this documentary and i really loved it or i had an appreciation for the team and what it contributed to the sport. That's been a similar compliment that we've gotten unscrew balls. It's it's not about baseball at all. It's not sports documentary at all. Even though it is arguably about a rod and the biogenesis steroids scandal people who aren't baseball fans or or who don't even liked liked the game watch it and go holy crap this is hilarious and and fascinating so that's the best compliment i think you can get you make sports documentary and and people i don't care about sports really like what makes it what makes a sports documentary like the right topic like how do you how do you find those things that are are interesting but also universal enough that you don't have to be interested in sports to find the movie interesting weird. Wait almost doesn't matter like the worst kept secret. I think in hollywood is that like sports movies are the easiest movies to make. It's almost like cheating because all of the essential ingredients of drama are already inherent. They exist in sports. You know the rivalries the overcoming adversity obstacles at all costs <hes> you know a a cheering crowd at the end. It's all kind of bills into the the subject matter so even if you make honestly a mediocre sports movie. It's all pretty watchable knowing britain pretty likable. If you think about it you don't even think about the sport like the mediocre scores movies that like even if you're flipping through the channels you'll totally stop and watch and enjoy like every single time. I'm talking to you for love of the game. You know like just they watch totally ordinary. You clear the mechanism okay when it's on m._l._b. Network i'm watching every single damn time right but here's the thing like look at look at kevin costner's baseball trilogy bull durham and field of dreams like ledge classic not only baseball movies but like some of the greatest movies ever made but but for love of the game was considered like so like down there on the list but you want it works. It works so good like you get the hills. You get those tears in your is every time he bitches that no hitter spoiler alert sorry guys but like it's it's amazing and that's the thing is it like you make a sports movie and it kind kind of works but screwball is not being weird way. It's almost an anti sports movie yeah that that is probably a good way to describe it but by the away from the love of the game engine here for too long but they screw it up by having vin scully have a <hes> an analyst in there and steve. Lyons and i'm sure steve had a great agent at the the vince gully was calling games by himself didn't need steve lyons in there anyhow just moving on now. Let's get let's get to screwball are back to screw again. You guys can watch it. It's on netflix. It came out yesterday on net flicks. Tony bosch the guy at the center of biogenesis. He seems like what's that your cousin right. You're my cousin. Yes i mean putting them anymore. Yeah he's like this cartoon character and yet he's is this real person like i'm sure there's so many stories that you can tell about just being around him and having these conversations with him but what is something that just you were even like holy crap. I got to put this in the movie because that's just insane allow well. He said someone described him to me. Once as the most miami any creature i have ever seen and i think that's a pretty accurate description opin but when he's talking about his v._i._p. Client in the steroid business. It's really the human growth hormone <hes> you know antipasto and business was manny ramirez shout out to the dodgers and it was just before actually his dodgers <hes> contract and so he started to work with many who was starting to get a little long in the tooth. You've starting to to not be able to perform at that peak level of performance that you know that that he was used to that you need you know t to get those free agent in a big big money contracts and so he would start to give him the concierge service which meant he was traveling with him all over the country he would stay either you know in in a neighboring bring hotel room or you'd actually stay in the same hotel room that manny <hes> was in and they'd always identify him as a publicist during nutritionist or whatever p._s. Title you know they would give a tony and he would have to <hes> if he slept in a room with manny in twin beds. Manny could would not fall asleep unless he had a bedtime story and to tony would find himself in bed. You know in the bed next to manny danny in a hotel room telling him a bedtime story and just talking to him until he gently fell asleep in december land and so i i thought that was a bunch. I'm like what a bunch of nonsense and then we actually started to research about. It and it's a pretty like kind of i don't wanna say well known fact but it was published and a ah story that like manny had trouble sleeping if he was alone and needed like sound or people to talk and tell him bedtime stories and tony was one of the guys who would travel with with him on the road when he in between doses of human growth hormone into saas would tell him bedtime stories this sweet i mean it's just like that's it's such a nice human touch to the story when you i when when you really bolsters our faith in humanity when you can you have all these characters and these people and these oddballs and this and then you know criminals and all all these amazing characters what is a teacher you take away from just about like people generally criminality and then just all the stuff that goes into it about who who we are and what motivates us well you realize we have a multibillion dollar this annual annually liam multibillion dollar criminal justice system when it tells you is crime is a business and it is a business both for the criminals and it is is a business for the government and the attorneys and the judge is and the law enforcement agencies and everyone who is in the business of criminal justice and law enforcement smith a multibillion dollar annual industry and so if this is part of what makes the world go round and a lot of our tax dollars are dedicated to enforcing climb in many ways <hes> endorsing and perpetuating crime because without it we don't have these jobs and we don't have has these budgets and we we need to perpetuate crime in order to fight crime and so you realize how everybody's kind of all of us are complicit in this process process. We invent these laws so that people can go out and break them so that we can create jobs to both break the laws and stop them from breaking the laws and it's. It's you know this. His career has been fascinating and sort of dealing in criminal justice in dealing with a lot of criminals that which would you do in miami. George does this <hes> with a lot of people people in what i like to call the grey market economy. You know we don't really have a big white market economy. We have a big black market economy but most people exist in the grey market economy here in south florida especially in florida <hes> you know in in in general and and so you have people like tony bosch build entire careers in businesses out of the fact that that gray or black market economy and it creates opportunities for everyone i mean the former governor of the state of florida will see this in the documentary who who is now the senator okay for the state of florida. One of the two senators to the state of florida rick. Scott is the largest medicare fraudster in the history of the united states. That's how we got the money to finance his campaign to become the governor and u._s. Senator and you know listen. I'm just i'm just trying to maga role. I'm just trying to maga and make a rod grade again <hes> she says by the way why most people have florida just fell off and floated into the atlantic. Nobody nobody would care yeah so corbett documentarian. The movie is screwball on netflix right now about the biogenesis scandal and and alex rodriguez and his involvement in this now the one thing that i wanna make sure people understand if they haven't seen it yet. Is that you you got. Kids leads to recreate these scenes right like how would you best describe that part of the film for someone who's going to watch it and that way they're not completely taken aback and surprised if like america's most wanted meets the little rascals. I guess that's the best way to to tell it this guy because it's not a sports documentary. You know when you're doing a sports documentary. It's a pretty simple formula. You know you interview the sport's people they talked to you about the sports. You go and get the sports footage and you cut it all together right so here. There's no sports footage because nobody really talks about they need navy sight three rebates ballgames and the whole movie that we have to show you a couple clips from but otherwise what do you do for the rest of the hour and forty minutes so what we need to do is re creations like you would see on america's most wanted or one of these shows where you have actors recreating the events <hes> you know in the florida effort if you will that occurs here and so instead instead of just getting normal adult actors who look like the participants involved we realized how insane outlandish and how much like children these adults behave so we went out and hired eight nine ten year old child actors i mean put wigs and facial hair and and pinstripes and lab coats and police uniforms on them and we have them lip sync the dialogue from the interview subjects and recreate these events vents in steroid clinics and locker rooms and and dugouts and hotel rooms and and that's how we tell the story yeah. It's pretty damn creator for me. I even for you. Corbin your creative mind to begin with but that one when you told me that i was like yeah that one's gonna work a good job by you all right man well congratulations again. How many how many trophies have you racked up on this one before we let you go. I'm really quite quite a few people. People have really liked it and and it worked really hard on it. You know those re-creations that i just described really funny but they were really complicated to put together and to do and and i'm really proud of it. I think it's our best work <hes> and and i'm really just so thrilled that people can go to net flicks now and see it and i'm very grateful for you for having me on so i tell people equal about it awesome man happy to do it happy to help you out. I will be in your neck of the woods soon. I will reach out to you for a drink. I'm sure he does no no not that kind of drink. I mean like a real all right buddy. Thank you again. You got to take care of billy. Corgan movies screwball on netflix you. Could you check it out. It's right there right now. You can go to your cue added to your queue and check it is it's one you can look it up on google yourself. It's one billion film festivals at this point it. It is crazy how good the movie is so. Let's take a break and on the other side. We will talk about kevin durant kevin durant. We've heard that a while ago kevin durant spoke to chris hanes and he's said a lot of things. It's been a long time since kevin spoken to the media and he is unloaded. We'll tell you what he said in four minutes.

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109  Make Great Documentaries From Where You Are with Billy Corben

The Documentary Life

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109 Make Great Documentaries From Where You Are with Billy Corben

"Microphone check one two three cities cities siblings civilins levels check good sounds good one two three rolling and we are all documentary filmmakers now all of us and we are all citizen journalists and we all have this power and we all have this responsibility to capture the world around us to to speak truth to power due to share the stories around us in our families in our lives and I think that's the only way really to kind of put yourself on the map is to have a calling hardest say this is what I'm GonNa do Hello and welcome to the documentary life a show that sets out to inspire fire and inform you on how best live and lead your own documentary life. I'm your host Christie Parkhurst and this is episode number one hundred and nine and it is brought to you by Barong films proud creators of documentary film the Documentary Life Podcast podcast and now the independent filmmakers essential checklist course our free eight part course designed to help you achieve financial stability gained support and effectively distribute your documentary film before we get started with our final segment of our Chris in Cambodia series. I wanted to take a moment to thank you for taking the time to listen to these. I hope that you found value not only in the stories themselves but in some of the oftentimes I shall we say not so thinly veiled attempts to couch these stories in some sort of doc filmmaking lessons and to some degree as I try and do with the documentaries that I've been making over in Asia since two thousand three I hope that I've opened your hearts hearts and minds up just a little more than they may have been before you'd listen to the show and in this case maybe I've not only increased your knowledge of this tiny little pocket of the world over in Southeast Asia but maybe just maybe you'll have interest in creating some of of your own experiences over in Cambodia and by the way if you do let me know and I can introduce you to some friends some of whom you already heard here on the show lastly. I wanted to say that I've had a very enjoyable time creating these segments segments it is allowed me to explore Cambodia and in many ways even our own documentary film in ways that I'd not done previously it's been a joy to process some of my adventures and as I just mentioned in some ways it's even helped with the film itself self writing and producing these segments actually has helped me get back into the edit of Elvis Cambodia so thank you for taking the time to sit through my explorations of filming in Cambodia I look forward to coming to a town near you and sharing the fruits of our labor our documentary film Elvis of Cambodia with you and if you'd like to keep up to date with our films progress and to find out when and how you might be able to see the film you can always go to our official film site at Elvis of Cambodia Dot Com Alright Auchan train and tube kinnear pedantic. Thank you and I'll see you next time I carefully lowered my camera gear into the back of the took took. I say a carefully because my right arm has been killing me for the past three days. It seems that I developed a case of tendinitis or shooters elbows. I was calling it from lugging all of this gear around from town to town I gave sister Setzer shut off a hug wave goodbye agreeing to meet up for dinner before leave country and they begin writing the took back into town. I need to hurry back because I need to grab some lunch quickly shower then head it over to a cafe where a meeting up with some members of the U._S.. Embassy there is a grant that I'd like to inquire about before leaving town. I've been doing a bit of this sort of thing this time out to Cambodia meeting with individuals and organizations nations that might in some way be interested in our film Stephan. I had done it to some extent early on in our last adventure but after that first month we hadn't been quite as diligent as our attention had really turned to the actual filming of our doc. I had made a conscious conscious decision not to do that. This time out over the course of the two months that I've been back in Cambodia anytime that had been in pain. I'd attempted to meet up with people in organizations for instance there was Cambodian living arts a very well known and respected Arts Organization in Cambodia as was the case with the Star of our film roughly ninety percent of Cambodia's artists did not survive the time Kemar Roach. It was C._L._A.'s mission to make sure that not all of Cambodia's artistic heritage was also lost and they were focused on helping Cambodia's current talented build and develop careers in the arts through scholarships fellowships and other means of support. I'd met up with C._l._A.. Early in February and begun forging a relationship with them it was important for us that we had the support of someone like a C._l._a.. Because we felt that our missions both really aligned with one another and certainly with what we were doing with our own film increase awareness of a legacy that had been nearly destroyed as well as highlight the ways in which the arts and culture in Cambodia was beginning to thrive again no doubt nurtured by an organization like a C._l._a.. A partnership with C._L._A.. Would not only give us some official recognition from a very well respected Cambodian organization but it would also even by association alone. Perhaps open doors to other important avenues like future funding additional national film subjects or film screenings in the country. I'd also met up with an Executive Director of Oh. Pana Center and Audio Visual Resource Center based input on pain Bopha was founded by Cambodia's first and only Cambodian booed filmmaker to be nominated for an Oscar. Mr Ritchie Pawn since is deeply rooted in Cambodian Identity Ritchie actually plays an important part in our documentary providing writing Gravitas and heartfelt context to the horrors of Cambodia's more recent history as well as allowing us to see into some of the magic of the artistry of our singer subject since he smote spend your entire lied to listen to assimilate zone of course Ritchie's name alone could only be a good thing for our film but similar to what we felt about C._L._A.. We felt that there was much in common with what will panel was doing and we were trying to do with Elvis. bopanna was saving the memories of yesteryear a year and making new ones for today's Cambodia. They were doing this through the collection of a massive archive. They were making available to students. Journalists and travellers alike furthermore. They were teaching Cambodia's youth how to tell stories with cameras. There's an audio recording devices. I don't have to further explain how we're why it might be beneficial for us to also try and form a partnership with a Bow Pana Center hours later after meeting up with the U._S. Embassy to see to introduce our project to them and to hear how we might best apply for one of their grants I found myself sitting across from a woman around my age so chit who had learned of our project from one of the members of the aforementioned bopanna she was thrilled about the film being a professed lover of all things since he salute and she also knew this family she was not only excited to hear about our film but she was eager to point us in the direction of one or two people who she felt could significantly help us move of our film along who might be interested in directly contributing financially to our film because of their own deep love for our subject matter one person in particular was not the type of person we would very easily have access to and she who is going to be able to connect us directly to him so here was someone who had been introduced to US shortly after we'd met with someone else and she was now connecting us to another someone else who could be potential great significance to our film. I kind of chuckled to myself. Yes this was what was known as networking something I was well aware of somewhat versed in but not nearly enough burstyn because I just had my my own hangups with networking you know we seem so disingenuous to me this term with over the past few years realizing that if I had wanted to make a life of this doc filmmaking thing where if I wanted people to actually see my my films I had worked hard at getting over my anxieties or hangups with this word realizing that I was just holding myself and my projects back with my own nonsense networking didn't have to be this Iki slimy sort of thing when that happened in Flame Cosmopolitan New York settings or on the rooftops of Fancy L. A. Bars you could actually take the shape of far more agreeable. Even dare I say pleasant forms this cafe meet up just just the latest example so as I paid my bill and bid goodbye to my new friend and made my way back to my guest house I resolved to do even more of this sort of thing knowing that our film would keep getting better for award. I'm back at the Golden Bridge Guest House and I am looking over all of my belongings. I've been packing to leave this country. Where I've spent the last two months filming our documentary Elvis of Cambodia I leave for Pinot Bain International Airport in a couple of hours and I've managed to decrease the weight of one of my bags ever so slightly since earlier in the day? I'd sold my light pro gear feather camera crane to a young Cambodian filmmaker. I slowly pick up one of the bags weighing it with my portable luggage scale another bit of pain shoots. It's up my right arm. Damn just over by point three kilograms. I was going to have to leave another something else behind. My phone. Ping's me it's Kaisa. He's going to be a little late picking me up his his work out in Kampong Speu had gone longer than expected and traffic was going to be pretty bad getting back into the city and he wouldn't be able to join me for dinner and maybe that I should just get it myself good old panella pen aw I finished talking the last bits of my camera safely into the camera bag good old Cambodia I stand up in survey all of my bags around me. I half laugh exasperated the thought of having to drag all of these heavy items down four flights of stairs load them into Kaiser as car take them out again and then truck them all the way through an open international and it is then and for seemingly the Zillion time in the past few months since I first began this journey in December in Snowy Rochester New York and set out for my three week work gig throughout the Pacific northwest and the southwest of the U._S. and then unto two full and incredible months in Cambodia working on the film it is then for the hundred millionth time I make a mental note that I am absolutely positively there can be no doubt about. How's it going to have to find a way to pack lighter the next time I make it out to Cambodia? Thank you again for tuning into today's Chris in Cambodia. This was the final segment in this series. If you've missed any of the prior segments you can find all of them and you can also check out behind the scenes stills and video of my time in Cambodia by going to our website at the documentary life dot Com something I wanted to mention before continuing on today's show. You've probably noticed that we're playing around with. Some pretty cool. Fresh sounds on this season of T._v.. L. 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It's free and just as we do here on the show this eight chapter checklist course will inspire and inform you on in your documentary film journey. We're speaking today with doc filmmaker Billy Corbin who is one the three gentlemen behind the production company Rack on tour billy a welcome to the documentary life podcast excited to have a conversation with you today. Thanks for having me Chris absolutely absolutely so as part of an intro billy I know of course early early on your initially as a child actor so you worked a bit in Showbiz but at some point you decided to get behind the camera but instead of fiction narrative you went the nonfiction route. Maybe you can share a little bit of your journey up to two documentary films like how that came to be and certainly why you chose nonfiction over fiction well. I was fortunate enough to have worked with in pretty wonderful directors when I was as you put it a child actor and Hashtag child actor what one of whom was Ron Howard himself himself a recovering child actor and <hes> we I worked on the the film parenthood which I think was shot in about nine hundred eighty eight in the Orlando area in central Florida. It was a pretty wonderful movie with a ridiculous cast. I mean it was Steve. Martin and Mary Steenburgen and Rick Moranis and Keanu Reeves what Joaquin Phoenix who was then known as leaf Phoenix it was it was pretty spectacular and for a little kid. I was like eight or nine years old. It was a remarkable experience to see that happening. I know at that point. It was ten ten when we shot it and to see that happening in Florida. It was pretty exciting. Whoa Ron Howard was really rather incredible because he was a he was a director director? He was an actor director. He was like he was sort of all things to all people keep he would come on set in the morning and greet everybody by name in your everybody's Buddy's name he was just he was just lovely and it was a family affair like his whole family was there. His brother was in the movie. His Dad was in the movie. His daughters were were in the movie. I think his wife had and some of them are just cameos like just a quick shot or whatever but everybody was kind of their around. Around it was a wonderful environment and up and he was he was acquitted inspiration as just a a figure a man and a director and so that's really what planted the seed. That's why for me was sort of seeing seeing that like wow he was able to parlay this extraordinarily successful career as a child actor and then transitioning really into an adult actor you know by the time happy days had ended and then and now is this big incredibly successful director a really with my friends in Miami always been I as I think a lot of young filmmakers are interest just doing backyard movies with your parents home video cameras at yeah so it's is it was a pretty common or pretty typical. I think journey for me there but I I realized pretty quickly that that as fun and successful as as my young acting career was I was much more interested in in <hes> what was happening behind the scenes and the entire process because I realize that you actors are like the last ones off on set in the morning and the first one the complete opposite of the P._A.. was like I want to know what else is happening here. I want to know how how this all starts before we get here and what happens after we leave and I was just interested in the mechanics of it in and I knew that that's really if I was going to continue in this industry that would be my trajectory and I found like minded friends in Miami and so David SIPC in one of my producing partners I've known literally since Nursery Preschool <unk> and our third partner Alfred Spellman I met in television production class in middle school highland oaks middle in North Miami Beach Florida so these are just longtime friendships and and a bill making partnerships and we all sort of build very specific roles in the company and creatively and otherwise Alfred handles the business <hes> I handle the creative Dave now runs our post production. which really is where you you know in in the the life cycle of documentary? That's where you spend. Most of your time is Kinda work written in many ways exactly so so someone has to really oversee that and you know that's the thing about our boutique operation in Miami. Beach is that we make everything by hand and so the three of US really really put a lot of care and attention into our docks sometimes for better or worse and so but that's really how we got into doctoral making a good transition because our <hes> path was s filmmakers I studied screenwriting and political science and theatre in the University of Miami were so that was my my triple major and I so I was really going and I want to say for for the record that that my screen writing classes in play writing classes were the best editing classes I ever saw. They were yet they were. They were the best cinematography classes I ever took. They were the best directing classes I ever took really the best filmmaking classes I ever took wore my writing classes because I think as soon as you understand storytelling and structure on issues you know those rules you can then break it break them if you want but I was a fan very much a fan of nonfiction on because you know something we learned very quickly growing up in Florida that truth is far stranger than fiction and and so Florida had always been this extraordinary resource in part untapped for characters and stories and so we were always interested in the real we wanted to kind of start to move towards digital. There's something about digital at that especially that this is pre H._d.. You know necessarily have the the cinema lenses didn't look Fox so hot and people shooting with the candidate so one's V._X.. Thousands and so I was like you know even if you're not a technical filmmaker you know the difference between digital video and film doesn't have it doesn't have the warmth I mean even even people who just don't know that the technical specs of it would still go. This doesn't feel like Mary poppins. No it doesn't have that and so it seems that the the best use of digital Tokyo to me it seemed because all the narrative and scripted stuff was all where worked all incorporated the format into the storytelling of course of course and then found footage would come into play a few years later Blair which which was found footage so it it really they literally the storylines themselves the concepts were were really bound to the format yeah so to me I felt like well so if you're not going to do something like that narrative actively <hes> the it seems best suited to dock so I just struck me that like it would lend itself really well to duck filmmaking so we started to hear from friends we grew up with in Miami who were going to university in Florida about this case in which in exotic dancer had accused couple of fraternity men in a University of Florida a over one of them. I should say of of sexually assaulting her in a private room. After a big brother little brother pledge event and the entire night's events have been captured on video right and the videotape digital video mind you on a consumer camera they have bought one of the fraternity brothers bought at best buy in Gainesville the day hey of the event of that was released publicly as part of the evidence in the case and are very open sunshine laws or public record laws here and so there was a story that itself involved digital video in the story in the evidence of the story and Alpern I had just had this conversation and we were looking to to pursue something nonfiction filmmaking and so it almost happened accidentally Jones yeah. We put some some money together with some angel investors we took leaves of absence from from school. We literally got in a car got a month to month lease at a rental apartment three bedroom rental apartment in Gainesville and bought a camera uh-huh started filming this documentary in spring so we got the idea to do this. In January of two thousand we in Gainesville filming by about April I think of two thousand ad in January of two thousand one we premiered at Sundance that's right. That's at the time the youngest filmmakers in the in the history of the of the festival and and for us I mean as bakers and I would think for most documentary film-makers a pretty quick turnaround you know from in seventy inception Sundance debut was pretty. It was up it was we didn't realize it at the time but you and you're caught up in the whirlwind. It's tough. It's tough to see but in hindsight I could never imagine that that kind of that kind of schedule look again. I I want to stop you right there because I'm I'm glad you brought this up. I don't imagine I I don't know how often you you get a chance to talk about. Raw deal a question of consent any longer but I do want to say it's when I first heard of you guys obviously it immediately put you on the map premiering at Sundance in two thousand one and the thing with this film of course outside of the controversy all the controversy surrounding the subject matter and the film itself is that for the longest long as long as long as time. It didn't get picked up for any kind of distribution. Nobody would touch it it just kind of sat on the proverbial shelf right so what I want to hear from you bully. I'd love to hear how was that for you. Was It deflating in any way and how do you continue on as a filmmaker knowing that while overnight seemingly you know we made it into Sundance we premiered at Sundance and now nobody even wants to what touch our film now so. How do you go on the dock doc filmmaker in that situation pretty terrible I don't I don't talk about it that often but it's all matter of public record we kind of the the quintessential first time filmmaker Sundance dream turned nightmare exact up with? The distributor <hes> it was well publicized at the time that that artisan entertainment had picked up the documentary every year artisan had like a a big acquisition. They had like one acquisition at Sundance. You know they did a pie. Why did Blair witch they did <hes> think chuck involved and then they later did down are not skis follow on which was a requiem for a dream and so but this was sort of in the waning days of artisan on at and so this was their last quote Unquote Sundance Acquisition and the truth is is that they we they didn't really ever acquire the movie there was like a deal memo they never paid us for it? You never executed the long term contract and they never released the movies and all all throughout the rest of the year of a one. We started hearing that the W. w. e. was going to buy them. They started working on like this dirty dancing sequel MENA punisher movie with marvel like the they did a van wilder like there was like it seemed that they were shifting from the art house thing to a more commercial venture and they were looking they had failed the I._P._O.. It really seemed like this was like a company in trouble and then we started to our due diligence after the fat about the management at the company which turned out to be some pretty Nafari as people with really bad reputations and Annonay inning in a pre social media world. You know we're we're. You don't really have any power back. In those days. Filmmakers we were making movies for eight people and those people they were the gatekeepers keepers they were the acquisitions executive at the indie distribution companies or the mini majors and that was it and if they didn't like your movie it was over you were that was so now you can literally make a movie for anybody buddy and everybody in your pocket and distributed internationally from said pocket and that that's the democratization not only production but now of distribution and in in those days we had just experienced the democratization of production but not this is a pretty youtube react phone <hes> worlds and so on you know we we were at the mercy of of these people and as it turned out pretty like I said Navarrese people they told us by August list of a one when they were trying to sell the company alliance gate. They told us that a they weren't paying us for the movie be they weren't distributing the movie and see they would not release the movie free and clear back to us on the nightmare in one phone call. It was a nightmare and it was like wait a second this movie that we made with our own hands we raise the money from friends and family we wet and it just turned into a terrible situation. We even desperately out of desperation. <music> offered to pay them movie and it was to the movie back. It was just a clear the chain of title because there there have been all this publicity that artisan acquired it so we couldn't shop it anywhere else unless orders in basically said Oh yeah we didn't acquire it. They haven't they own it. Free and clear this whole thing was just a terror and we we resisted as much as we possibly could <hes> from from litigating it because as my grandfather taught me the only people who win litigation are the lawyers and so we resume but when they turn down our money when we we scraped up some money together to offer them basically ransom no ransom to pay for our own movie back you know that we had made in financed the rejected us we had no choice and and we found a lawyer in Miami who was willing to really take the ride with us and and we we sued them and we long story even longer we eventually not only one but the judge gave us our attorney's fees as well. It wasn't happening off on like you said it was new movie that like just exploded and then disappeared and we and my grandfather finally came to me. I was like bill. You're you just you guys are producers. Go Produce Music. You're not supposed to produce lawsuits and you can't sit around and wait till you're one movie is liberated your why he goes you. GotTa go and produce something and so that's fine. I'll never forgot that it finally in about you know by now. It's like Oh two who out three or four spurn into action and that's when we started to work on a project called City made of snow which we later changed the name to to cocaine cowboy. One of your munch was as documentary filmmakers. I think I've seen this pin. Spend your to your twitter account. One of your mantras is a great story. Well told we talk about storytelling and what makes a great story. Obviously all the time in our conversations inevitably the question. How do I know if I will have a great story and if I do how do I best serve it that comes up right that comes up law a lot? What is it that you bill your? What are you guys looking for in a story and how do you then best serve that story as doc filmmakers? I apply this test. which is it's not foolproof but it is idiot proof meaning any of us can can can apply although it might not always work for you? I call it A.. R. A. S. and that is relevance <unk> access style and so step one in that process is relevance when someone says here's an idea for a documentary you get an idea for a documentary or someone says this is the best idea ever documentary the first question I asked myself as who who gives a shit so as much as I love what we do and a lot of our projects are labors of love they have to be if you're going to spend a year plus immersing yourself in in a story or a world or dealing with with real people but you have to ask yourself is are going to be an audience for this after blood sweat and tears and hopefully somebody else's money has been invested in this you know like it will and it doesn't have to be for mass audiences but any audiences will somebody the interested in this story stories so that's one step two is access access to me is the secret to life you know what do they say. It's not what you know. It's who you know you know so so access to what access everything dude dude I mean money idea interview subjects equipment skilled labor like editors and motion graphics people access to locations access to a script exit. I mean you you name it access to anything and so the last thing in our R._A._S. is style. It's not what you say but it's how you say it and <hes> you know I always say we serve the story we are slaves to the story and devising an aesthetic that will that will best and hopefully to most entertaining fashion on <hes> you know tell the story in the most compelling way and it also that's also part of selling you to and why you are the only filmmaker who could tell the story because you have a way of telling it you have the access you have a style that is going to be indispensable in in translating and communicating the story to an audience so that's that's my kind of rules R._A._S. is is this relevant. Do we have the access necessary to pull it off. And how would we tell will this story. There's never meet your heroes because they'll break your heart from the moment I remember wanting to be a baseball player. It was the American dream people smoking weed disaster. I plan was go into medicine believe school of medical and performing arts. What is it about about Bannon? WHO's a perfect rate for the aging movement especially here in Miami now now now? It's almost no all regulations. You'd have to pretend to be given all types of medical advice. He had a white lab coat that said Dr Tony Box. He had a stethoscope around his neck was doctor speaking of being approached with a great story there. There's a certain former major league baseball player that approached you with a great story of course his name was Alex Rodriguez and ironically enough. He approached you and your team about <hes> about a pretty major story at the time maybe you. You'd find out later on that. He had some ulterior motives for setting up that meeting with you guys but but there was a great story to be told why don't you share a little bit about that and allow that to us up into screwball. You're latest documentary Phil well the first thing I have to say thank you for using the word ironic correctly. It's I would have to think I don't mean to be condescending but I have to think that it is just in general I my experience and perhaps you were one of the most incorrectly we use words <hes> blame Alanis Morissette always blame the Canadian. Yes yes right blaming Canada. We should put a tariff on a lot of morissette songs but but I think that's true because I don't think she I used ironic correctly one in her song of the same title yeah so but you use the debt on because how is not what you would have expected to happen that in November twenty thirteen in the midst of of this high profile Lyle Major League Baseball doping scandal and in the midst of his arbitration because Alex Rodriguez was the only player I think about fourteen that were a caught in the dragnet of the biogenesis <hes> steroids scandal he was the only one who appealed his suspension and why not it was the longest in the history of the game so nothing ventured nothing gained nothing to lose you know and but he was right in the middle of it and I got a call from his publicist who I knew from University of Miami Alumni tonight circles and he said that Alex Rodriguez was interested in meeting with my producing partner Alfred Spellman and I to discuss these were his words a the possibility of making a tell all documentary credible and incredible and ironic chronic because that's the last person you would expect to to to make that call to tell all of anything as it turns out that that proved correct we went to lunch with him and he just lied to us for about an hour plus <unk> straight which to be he was doing with everybody and everything in his life. Yeah we went to lunch with him in a very. How should I put it? I thought we're going to meet at his private office in Coral Gables but it turns out we had lunch at the power lunch spot not the most high visibility restaurant in all of coral gables a very affluent municipality adjacent to the city of Miami and in fact the home of the University of Miami and Alex Rodriguez field in fact that he donated and so well <hes> because of that and because the popularity of our E._S._p._N.. Thirty thirties particularly the ones new right right and that you partout partout hadn't come out yet but <hes> the you on the proximity to the University of Miami campus really really. I should say ensured that or maximize the potential that I would be recognized can't be overlooked too like who were these guys meeting with Alex Rodriguez. It was bound to be somebody in the restaurant going. Oh that you know that's the guy that directed the you know so it was her documentarian and so it was it was very clear that we were kind of on display there and it should not have escaped anyone's attention that the person who put the meeting together wasn't was in fact Alex's publicist so and so it was leaked to page six and that Alex was shopping his story around it had this this meeting at this restaurant with with thirty thirty for thirty film maker does but I didn't I knew from that meeting that Alex was really compelling character the really interesting guy and despite the fact that he had been less than truthful with us. I thought all the more reason to interview okay you know to to be able to have an opportunity to kind of <hes> you know to to examine him so to speak and that was not meant to be they basically you were they were not really legitimately interested in in doing a documentary even for I pursued them. Throughout a half the following year after the the arbitration was resolved and in fact reduced to an entire season two hundred plus games had originally been suspended for and so it never worked out but amazingly less than any year after Alex had reached out we get a call from a friend of Tony Bosch who was the was the steroid the provider of steroid just ostro human growth hormone to these players among them Alex Rodriguez Manny Ramirez a Milky Cabrera Bartolo Cologne Ryan Braun etc on and he wanted to meet with us to discuss the possibility of doing a documentary sooner that Gillis it was the same message basically and Alfred and he was on his way the federal prison at that time we did at the back burner that but several months after Tony Bosch reached out I got an email from timmel frank of formerly the editor of the new Tom Miami New Times out Washington Post and he had written a book about the scandal <hes> a wonderful book called Blood Sport and he your co Co authored. I should say with Gus Garcia Roberts in Tim said I got a call from Puerto Fisher or Fisher the whistle blower in the biogenesis scandal who had stolen the documents brought them to Miami new times and exposed this steroid ring and <hes> quarter Fisher asked to get in touch with me to discuss the possibility of doing a documentary AB- still. I'm not a said this many times but it's true. I'm not a spiritual guy but I said to Alfred the universe is telling us something the three key figures in this internationals their experience one of the biggest scandals in the history of professional baseball all independently reached out to us and and now some somebody's trying to tell us that we need to to pursue this this story and Tony got out of prison. We interviewed him. We interviewed porter but screwball together now Alfred's joke. Is that <hes> when you get out of prison in Florida your first call your mom. Your second call is Iraq and tour really so I mean it's absolutely critical and it's it's the second of three sort of your acronym to deciding. If a stories stories is going to be worthy of of production for you guys in its accessibility and you had access to these key major characters oh actually and we found it very relevant. We thought it was obviously it involves the highest paid baseball player of all time of America's pastime and so <hes> we thought it was very relevant on we now had the the access <hes> yeah so our E._S. was so far so good <hes> and and <hes> we also thought that that the you know what what made it relevant to is that is that you had these marquee names but these multimillion dollar baseball players were really supporting characters in the story they were they were really collateral damage and the truth was is the way that we saw it was that the highest pay the career of the highest paid baseball player in history. I mean who generated well over four hundred million dollars over the course of his career affect effectively collectively ended over four thousand dollars debt between a cocaine addicted fake doctor and his fake Tan addicted steroids and so that to us was this was ultimately an extraordinary tale of Florida Fuck Ary and one of these sort sort of only in Miami kind of stories that was like Elmore Leonard or Carl Highest Coen brothers esque. It was like a botched heist like we were like three Beijing Florida fucker complete one complete and that's how you choose to tell the story. This thing plays like a thriller doesn't it. I would say like Coen brothers thrillers like hung in Sheikh like dark comedy kind of approach. That's really what we when we embark upon any of our documentaries we say what genre era is this. That's a wonderful thing about documentaries about nonfiction filmmaking now now more than ever is that docs are not a genre docks or style of filmmaking if you you can make a documentary. Hurry in any genre that cinema that you can think of I mean you could make a musical. You can make a sports comedy. You can make a love story. You can make a Sifi documentary. You can make an action documentary. I mean you name it a genre of film. Tell me you love and you could point to a documentary. That's not only a wonderful example of that genre but is a seminal film in this genre that is that is one of the greatest films in that genre and his and just happens to be a documentary well as we wrap up here. Billy Kinda say it's a great segue into this idea of being self entrepreneur. It's something that we talk a lot about. It's critical these days that doc filmmakers I think view themselves as self entrepreneurs and I think get something you guys have been championing in your own way for a long time and so I'd say you are. Can you give me a couple of practical tips for the dock filmmaker in how we can best embody this idea of self entrepreneurship as a doc filmaker. Oh there's no question in fact when I taught teaching that class I I called it hustling WanNa once there you go. That's what I'm thinking yeah. I think it's important I mean nobody's GonNa promote you like you promote you. No one knows what you're you're capable of more than you. Do you know having an agent it doesn't really help but but but having a calling card really does help and you want to be known for something you know we made a conscious decision after Sundance after we did about sixty interviews and five or six days where the last question always was now that you've like had a sundance splash you guys going to New York or L._A.. And we're like we'll we're going to go home to Miami and and for several reasons I well. That's why they call it home. 'cause we go when you're done with other ships you go home. You know number number two. We have been working so hard for your on this. We didn't really know what we were doing next. That was a mistake to when when you're a young into indie filmmaker you kind of you do one project at a time now we have like five or six. You know now that we're a company. You know a studio so to speak so I'm back in the just didn't know what was next but we also knew that we didn't want to be three more schmucks. Peddling are wears New York or L._A.. 'cause then you're just like everybody else you know and and we knew that Miami was this extraordinary untapped resource at least a nonfiction filmmaking certainly in literature and other genres journalism. You know the Florida journalism that's burgeoned in recent years. You know people knew Florida was an interesting place but but not particularly making it hadn't really been been done before and in fact it really been done best by outsiders Nick Broomfield and the Eileen documentary. That's right absolutely so we wanted to sort of do it internally. We wanted to be the Miami guys so that when people in New York or L._A.. Got A call from US or whatever that they would be. Oh those are the Miami guys and so our next project was cocaine cowboys and still the original title of temporary working title was city made him snow which is much more elegant sort of but then we realized that we wanted to eat we realized that you can't go into bank and endorsed the back of a New York Post cover about your sundance movie and cash that so we knew we wanted to be working filmmakers. Let me tell you that that is the measure of success in this industry is not money it is not critical. Acclaim is not awards measure of success. Is You get to work again. Okay because that that means you're hustling and people are watching your shit and interested in what you do next and so that's the measure of success and it was just for us. It was like well it's like if you build it. They will come. We had faith that we were more in touch with real people and the marketplace than people living in a vacuum of ideas were and so I think that's what you have to trust your instinct. You have to find the stories around you. You have to acknowledge the fact that you now have everybody listening to this has in their pocket. The most powerful tool the most powerful weapon ever devised in history the best camera I could have dreamed of having when I was a kid you know and you. We wish that we had had this. Oh you're kidding. I'd be dead or in prison so I'm almost glad I didn't have it but but you know to quote uncle Ben with great power comes great responsibility you happy you have to yield it responsibly but we are all old documentary filmmakers now all of us and we were all citizen journalists and we all have this power and we all have this responsibility to capture the world around us to to speak truth to power to <hes> to to share the stories are around us in our families in our lives and I think that's the only way really to kind of put yourself on the map is to have a calling card is to say this is what I'm GonNa do is my point is look for these stories and these opportunities this access around you and and come up with you know you WanNa be the Miami filmmaker you WanNa be that that was part of our gamble here we were best in our geography as being part of our brand building and you know we wanted to be like Kevin. Smith is in New Jersey like Shamlan is in Philly like a Barry Levinson and and David Simon and John Waters are to Baltimore Robert Rodriguez and Rick League ladder awesome like Spike Lee in Scorsese and New York and so I think look for these opportunity to be smart about it take some chances. They're not always going to pay off. A God knows on but it's really it's almost like what did they say. The the only way to win is to play you know and so you you gotta take some some chances in order in order to do that and it's not easy. I totally understand that to get to just to where we are. You know almost twenty years in where we're making a living doing this and I'm acutely aware of what a blessing it is to be in America in the twenty first century making a living doing something that you that you love you know but but I but we got here by by taking by taking some chances is and identifying what we thought were good stories things that we could reach out and touch that we that we had access to and coming up with being I hate to be sort of like SA- sound cynical about it but to say like I want to build a brand for myself self and builds a name for myself you. Can't you have an opportunity to make. It's what you books used to be. Unfortunately you know you you people now. Look for the set for the documentary about something as opposed to go into the library to look for a book so you have a chance. That's the CEO I'm going to make a documentary underlying capital T. Capital H. Capital E. The documentary about a subject that people are going to pursue and and in order to do that it has to be something that you have access to it has to be something that you're close to that. You understand that that is accessible and that you know how to tell and so that's why saying look in your hometown. Look in your community looking in your own family you know and and hopefully you'll find something that will that will help to <hes> to to put you on the map and that'll be most importantly were hustling for. We've been speaking with DOC filmmaker Billy corgan filmmaker behind the likes of raw deal a question of consent cocaine cowboys and the thirty for thirty the U. and of course his latest documentary screwball billy. How can we see screwball available now video on demand so wherever you rent or buy digital video itunes Amazon etc brilliant and we will have links to those up of course in the show notes for this episode as well as links to trailers for the films that we've spoken about in the episode Man Billy? Thank you for taking the time to come on the documentary life. This is Ben an incredible conversation that I think is going to. Let's just say inform and inspire a lot of filmmakers. That'll be listening to <unk> this. Thank you so much. Why can't thank you enough for inviting me? I don't often get to talk about <hes> doc stuff. You know it's very often about the subjects themselves and the kind of irreverend world. We live in here in Florida but I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about. It's something that I loved so much. 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Hour 3: Ethan Strauss

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Hour 3: Ethan Strauss

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? GMO put it on the poll place. Have you noticed that Zeke Elliott has gone from too short shirts to bagging shirts Zeke? So even Strauss Strauss is with us from the athletic, and he covers the Golden State Warriors and basketball as well as anybody, it's a mouthful Ethan Strauss of the athletic with us now on ESPN radio. Tell us some stuff about the warriors that we don't know because it really does feel like they've gone from likable too unlikeable and under the problem. Ethan. Dan, what kind of question is that? That's like having a comedian on insane. Say something funny. I don't know what you don't know. I have no idea how to respond to that prop. Well, the audience doesn't know the stuff that you know. And so anything you've got that. You think is something the audience would like I'm starting there with the warriors because they gobble up any your around the team all the time. Random on. Does. I'm writing on it today. Andrew bogut, even though he joined the team I think in the middle of March to late March is already drying plays up and they're using plays. Andrew bogut is coming up with is that the kind of thing or audience wants, I have no idea. Yeah. Wow. Chris's applauding. Coating is applauding back there player drawing a play. That's interesting. Yeah. There you go a bad one. I mean, even more interest that player a bad player layer. They love bogut there. Yeah. I think he's a little reminder of the the old nostalgia. And I think he also has a renewed perspective. I was talking about it with him that having kids and also just playing in the Australian basketball league can give you a renewed appreciation for playing in the NBA the championship contender. So his whole his whole balance his whole, I it's funny in a way, it's almost like he is from the other era too because he talks excitedly about the play offs. And he talked excitedly about winning the championship in June. You look around. You just don't hear a lot of that talk anymore. You don't you? Don't get that excitement from a lot of these players here. Kurd talk about you have to be accessible you have to be a little bit better with the media. It makes me think he's in. And where I was leading you at the beginning was in boogie cousins and Draymond green. And given the behavior of Kevin Durant over the last couple of years, they have usurped the halo that Steph curry the adorable halo that Steph curry put over this team once upon a time. So I think that Steve Kerr while talking about Russell Westbrook is talking about his own team in terms of that's not healthy for our league to have three of the four guys be kind of not likeable. I think he could be referring to that. But this is a league wide problem. This isn't just Russell Westbrook. Did seems to be at route. We can talk about the media player dynamic. But at route remember Adam silver said that a lot of the stars. He talked to aren't happy that they're miserable which I was shocked when he said that I was shocked when he confessed that that seems to be the root issue where the league is trying to sell something as fun as experience you wanna be a part of. And it biggest faces the players it's advertising everybody. They don't look like they're having a lot of fun. And I think that at a certain point if you have enough guys like that you can have one or two, but once it's a bunch of them. I think it's bad for business. I it tells the customer to go somewhere else. What's the feeling that you get from fans from management from Steve Kerr, perhaps as it relates the Kevin Durant after this season? What type of feeling are you getting as everyone just expecting him to leave? Well, I said that effectively in an article back in February that Durant got quite mad at me for writing. If you guys remember, I think I was on the next day after writing it, and I have heard or seen nothing to change what I said back then. So that's your answer. How sullen is? He because I see the sixty minutes interview where he's just sitting there, and he'll extremely is that what you said. Okay. Well, what explain to us what's happening there? Because what I find fascinating Ethan that he totally expected. What has happened on the court, which is winning will be easy? Everyone will see how great I am. And yet he's empty on validation empty. And you could understand why you'd see it that way. Right. If that's the way you seen it because it did go down like that for LeBron. Lebron was hated at the beginning when he chose the heat and after he won those two championships. There was a grudging respect and everybody agreed unanimously everybody said what Bron James whatever you think of him is the best player in the NBA. Now. What's funny about the situation? But Durant is that it seems as though that conversation is shifting other. Will hasn't made the playoffs. And the Lakers are a disaster. People are looking around saying, gee, who's the best player in the league? Maybe it is Kevin Durant. But it's happening at a time where it doesn't seem like Kevin Durant really loves where he is. And that's confusing the conversation in some respects imagine fans feel or how polarizing I guess I should ask is Joel Embiid because I like that he's got that much personality. But I know other players in the league find him off pudding. Yeah. I couldn't really. Tell you. I enjoy it as well. It's good content. It's it's it's certainly a lot of entertainment for us. I also wonder is he a household name. I mean, that's a good. Stugatz. Question is is Joel Embiid. A household name is the public. You know, suggest an NBA fan thing that they know about Embiid, or is he really gone gone means stream. I'm not sure I haven't heard a lot of players carping about him though. I haven't heard a lot of coaches and other people complaining about the big personality. I didn't hear any warriors even making note of when he made that three one joke. I think he's a little bit. I think he's a little bit popular with some other players. Actually, I know that when he came out to the bay area, you went to steps restaurant they had they had dinner together. So at least there's a relation relationship there. He'll become a household name when he wins something I mean. Listen. He's a great personalities a great player. But you become a household name when you actually do some winning with that, you know? I'm wondering I'm sorry. I'm wondering about warriors and the fan base there. Ethan are they more or less confident? I can't imagine they're more confident heading into the Houston Rockets series than they were a year ago that can't be the case Kennett. I don't think that's the case. I don't think that they feel more confidence this time around than the other time around. Look, it's an interesting test of something, right? It's an interesting test of does chemistry matter or is it just all about talent. Is it all about just having the better players? There are two schools of thought the first school of thought would be. Are you kidding me? This isn't a Disney movie. You know, you think teams win because they love each other. No teams win because I don't know having guys like Steph curry, Kevin Durant. Klay Thompson, Draymond green. That's why teams win. All this other stuff. Doesn't matter. Now, the second school of thought, of course, is it matters. It's a team they have to be together if they're not so together, they don't completely love. Coming to work every day. It's not going to work, and they will be beat by a team that is functioning more for Mony Asli. I don't know the answer. But that's one of the reasons why I'm fascinated by the upcoming series. Ethan Strauss of the with us on ESPN radio. I have a game or series to play tomorrow a series to play tomorrow. I let you choose the first pick from among these players Westbrook and Lillard who you got Damian Lillard. Wow. That was quick. Wow. Because Westbrook's the one with the MVP triple double numbers. Can you explain that to the audience because I I don't know that the audience would agree with you on that one? Wow. Well, I look a I guess they both have slightly underperformed in recent postseasons of the seems to be the third consecutive underperformance for Westbrook, but most every point guard can shoot it. You know, if you're if you're short, you need to be very offensively, proficient because your responsibility is disproportionately on the offensive side. Now, his shooting numbers have been woeful at times that is a huge advantage to the defense, and you can scheme in a playoff series Lillard is just such a better off of player because of that. And yet some of some of that subjective leadership as well. But I also think puts will Lillard over the top and also westbound, well, he looked like a great defensive player. He just doesn't tend to play like a great defensive player. And I think I also might be tainted by how? What's just been terrible against the warriors in games and series against the warriors. The switching defense if a team has a switching defense that just seems to crush Westbrook. And it just doesn't seem to impact Lillard the same way. Thing like whoa filled with lows put on the podium lebatardshow should woeful be a good hole of loans. Oh of them are full of woes. Thank you eat that. We appreciate the time, sir. Thanks. You guys. Break out the red panties. We arrange baby that rockets warriors series going to be so much fun. I mean, the rare NBA finals matchup that you get in the Western Conference semifinals that guys should be the finals be woeful. I am going to tell you in the next segment to word who were that made. Stugatz. Leave the rooms northing with laughter and red face. During the break. I I haven't seen him laugh like that in a long time. Now, I am over promising and under delivering. But boy, do these two words makes God's burst out laughing basically making fun of sports radio. I tell people about t-. So they are the NBA's official timekeeper t- sews, a new sponsor around here. They're good watches. Tell them Stu got T. 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Chat are calling him. Bobby q r Quinlan cost us live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. What are you doing with stupidity? This week. We have a we have a doozy plan. We are. We're unveiling a new game called the story would game again that we try to play on this radio show. Now, it is me, and Abby, and we are taking on the goings. Okay. Mike Golic senior and his wife questions have been asked questions have been answered now, we're just waiting for game show host to arrive and that game show host is a major celebrity than I think our fans will be very happy to hear from Sean McDonough now how does this duly wed game work because it sounds like you just described the newlywed game. Well, it's kind of like that. Yeah. It's who knows their spouse better, though, do do me and Abby know each other better or do Mike Golic and his wife. Do they know each other? Better who knows which couple knows each other bet. But it's really about the host. It's not about it's more about the host. You know? It's like the newly would game. But I put my name in the needle what newly would game. Wed newlywed newly would tomato. He already called him. It'll potato. Yeah. Why do you keep calling newly would it's a it's a very good question. I don't know why. I don't I can't even come up with a lie. You would've been in northeastern thing or just a you the northeast thing. I think it's just me being dumb. Is it possible that you didn't actually know? There was a game called the newlywed game is calling it the newly would game. And you think you invented this Bill with me anything is possible. I think that if you had been in the other room a second ago, you would have been infuriated by what Mike Ryan was saying to sarahspain, which is her podcast is the best though. Well, okay. I mean, my I think my producers that podcast, right? I mean, I oversee a lot of the stuff on the network. I I don't I'm not I know Santa does a great job was to potty now. But but in terms of what I enjoy listening to weekend and week out, Sarah so organized and has a clear plan, and perhaps as an outsources much Ron McGill Ron McGill is our guest this week. And he tells great stories if. You care to hear some more stuff from Ron McGill. It's funny because I heard you say that same thing Amina kinds when she was here. So I mean, and you've told me that in very very I have. I have not haven't heard it either. Actually, it might listen. The name of mine is stupidity. You wanted to be organized. Anyway, Dan knows southeast sessions. Truly my favorite in coming up this week. I know this is hard for you guys. Believe couple months into this. This is probably the best south beach session. We've ever done no way rather than Bosch. It's with better than Bosch better than Tony Bosch better than saving Gundy last week, this one king of the mountain now, it's with Tony Kornheiser. And the theme is really Dan tries to get Tony Kornheiser at his happiest which is talking to him about his passion projects like radio and look Tony's a little surly. But it's good. He's a. So God speaking of the golic's though, this is what happened with Stu gods during the break, as you know, many of, you know, a God's did a show on Sunday mornings with golick junior. They had great chemistry and their friends, and we just heard during one of the breaks. We heard a commercial for golick junior being on, golick and wingo. And there are two words that made stugatz laugh, I'm not making this up. Mike. He I looked at him. The two words were on the radio during the commercial. Stugatz. Looked at me burst out with red-faced laughter. Couldn't stop laughing and left the room. And those two words and these words have never made anyone laugh the way they just made to God slap. Those two words were David cut cliff Cutty. Thought it was uproariously funny. The idea first of all here comes the rip job of David cut clue. Listen, we've done this thing if feels like forever where David cut cliff you and I've been doing this show for sixteen years now for sixteen years we've been talking about David Coug cliff has spent five minutes with a quarterback. He's going to be good in the NFL. Go ahead Namie of quarterback not named manning that has been touched by cut cliff that has been any good name a single because now Daniel Jones is the first round picky shooting up the boards. People are saying the patriots are going to take him with the first with the final pick in the first round Namie a quarterback. Honestly, Dan, not name. No, one has gotten more out of those manning camps than cut cliff because there's reputation when he when he started Duke was a football program that had a track around their field that it was the smallest time thing that you can imagine. And then the Manning's got involved gave cut. Clip. A camp also did all sorts of pranks on cut clip that involve leaving things on his computer that are inappropriate, and the resulting thing is cut cliff is now a whisper there's this thing where David cut cliff has had a Cup of coffee with a potential quarterback. He's gonna go to the hall of fame ally Peyton fine. He did wonders with them at Peyton would have been fine with the without David conclave. I promise you same with Yvonne. Okay. What would it be just fine? I mean, honestly, if Jim Tom Soula was a college coach, those guys would have still y you know, wound up in the hall of fame. He shula. How was he? Because he's on the cut cliff tree. He went to the Senate. That's how good he was a quarterback. All right, then we're going to regain where's Erica? Kane. Anyone here from era games lately? Now, you have it how about Thaddeus Lewis. I mean, he did a Cup of coffee and a couple of different places. You probably did better than most would expect right at Shaun Rehn free Howdy to those of the quarterbacks that have made it to the to the NFL that had been touched by cut cliff. Donlevatar you are the best. And when I say the best I mean, the very worst and most evil, stugotz the worst. But this time we're species lebatardshow with Stu gods on ESPN radio. What are you laughing about? I've spent the entire break laughing because you've been muttering at your computer staring at the face of David cut clip and saying to yourself. Why did I do that to port cut? Clint listen, here's the the rules, okay of engagement, if they're gonna go after David cliff, a guy don't look at a picture after you go you want to hug him, you wanna hug my computer, the entire time cheeks pinched, his cheeks eighty he's adorable. He does have chinks you wanna pen. I mean, you were taking apart his is quarterback class. If Daniel Jones goes in the in the first round that's four of his quarterbacks had been drafted in the first round. That's pretty impressive. Right. He has to be good only two of them. Get good. He lies still debatable. I mean, you think God's was kidding? I looked in there. He was actually petting his computer. Was a van for cutting sheets. Right. Keep track your text though because you're like I'm holding out on July manning unless you put Eli manning in the hall of fame. He would have gotten into hall of fame without cut clips out tearing soup man does wonders for you. He's got to rings. I mean, I don't wanna put Eli in the hall of fame. But I don't know quarterback was to rings his not in the hall of fame. And I'm certainly not assigning his two rings, David cut cliff now here, I go get a Cutty Sark fits this. Cutty ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests of the damn Muhtar Joe appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sportscenter update. 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Hater how often that dude gets hit hard by left handed hitters because I just saw on the television screen in here that Cody bellinger's now playing like he didn't his first seasons to got yet last season. But he just he just pulled hater from the left side over the fence. And I haven't seen a whole lot of human beings be able to do that from the leftist item of the platen. I'm just curious what hater does left these because I'm doing that based on the on the eye test. I'm not doing that. Because I know anything other than that guys are. It because he throws everything one hundred miles an hour and he had earlier this season a nine pitch strikeout inning where he just struck out everybody nine pitches. Valentine's going beyond what he did the first season. I know it's early here. But it's cream in. There hasn't been anybody better in in the sport so far given the start he's giving up one hit to a left handed batter this year that was it. Are you kidding me? Vom? It to a left yet. Because he's got that sidearm action. I wouldn't want face that guy was like John Kruk facing. Randy johnson. You remember that in an all star game where John crush like. I don't want to do this. We'll John crux duct brand Johnson. Johnson through waivers head. Nobody wants any part of those problems, man. That's my childhood. You miss that? I miss John crock MS personalities like that. Oh. All these baseball. Again, are we gonna adding hat backwards? All right. Let's go ahead. I remember that when Cal Ripken junior hit that home run in the all star game in stugatz accused who was it that you accused of grooving the pitch to him was channel park. Yeah. It was China park at not accused he grooved it. I mean, there's no accusation to be made there just go watch the video just lobbed it in just makes me wanna say, rusty Greer. That's all I got to say just wanna say. Explain to us what happened there because I'm I'm genuinely confused we love ninety baseball so much the nineties were populated with a bunch of sports stars. We talked about baseball the way that we talk about basketball now where we're interested in the dramas the names of. People like John crock who, you know, famously said when seen smoking in a party and a woman came up to him and said, what are you doing? You're an athlete. Athlete's don't smoke and his response was I'm not an athlete lady. I'm a baseball player. When it happened in that good in this sport. Is that what happened everybody everyone's to beautiful Stanton? And judge. I mean across governor time. Who gets kicked out of the league? Just because a guy likes in Dolgin little bit has to lose a bunch of weight. You're not talking about him liking photos on the toilet in Boston. Are you're talking about buffets. Talking about the belt. Oh, the belt that snapped. When he's I missed the fat player. Don't miss the out of shape Bank baseball player. Yeah. I don't feel like we have. I don't feel like we have that anymore. Do we let you guys to look up Ken Oberkfell and tell me whether we still have that or not he's a beautiful, man. And he's not even fat kinda can Oberkfell was just sort of pale and pasty, and we'll just have bushy hair coming out of the hat. He had the nice moustache. I mean, he reminded listen he could either be the third baseman for the Braves of the guy who delivers your milk. I mean, what do you think delivers milk anymore back in the day? I'm saying there's a beauty still milkman. Or are we still doing that? With the thriving business. I do watch. I'll check on it. But I think are we still put that on the poll gamma, please at lebatardshow are they're still milkman because Stu gods. Just made Ken Oberg felt a player from the forties for some reason. Rethink has a rough his hands in the history of the game. Moyes is a Lou. Wow. I know what you're doing. They're all because he didn't wear batting gloves. And there's the whole story about how he did pee on his hands. And wasn't a little p p that's what he would do to his hands. He would just his hand. Just on appearances just on appearances. Who do you think is like man that person could probably San some would by just touching it? Steve Bob Balboni. That's a good one. That's I was gonna say Jim Eisenreich that is an all Jim Eisenreich. If you shook his hand he'd give you a splinter. Really why Eisenreich because man, I can just like he's got the look to him that he's into carpentry. Woodworking on the weekends. Don Bailer had strong hands. Just in bore would put pine tar on his bat with no batting loves like just straight up pine tar on his hands and bat. That's crazy that rebuff your skin you'd think if it's a man, right? Just. He is a man just a man goes up into the play up to the plate. And you're like, yeah. He's just going to take a pornographic hack with those men hands of his and everyone needs to run for the exit. He has a body. Type. You're longing for. Well, he's but he's thick. I'm long. I'm longing. For pudgy I'm logging for flatly out of shape. I'm longing. For a Zeki Elliott. You're longing. For Ken herbeck, Ken herbeck is pretty good. I mean that is a good one. I mean, we do still have Martell Cologne. Let's not forget about him. But he's the only one we do have. And it's why he gets to be the lovable guy despite being a steroid visit and having a secret family, but I'm pretty certain they had them too. I don't even grant was pretty hefty. Oh, Tony Gwynn, ROY the the mock turtlenecks at the San Diego Padres always used to wear for media day, those mocked turtlenecks go in and look a photo of Steve Finley wearing that mocked her neck with a mullet gloriously outside. I'm asking the serious question. I know baseball's what happened. But you don't know what anyone is wearing these days in terms of mock turtlenecks in baseball. I love their commitments in the mock turtleneck, there's only one other team right now in four in sports. It's still married to it in Kansas City Chiefs every media day, you gotta rock. The mock turtle is Tony is the player who is Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs are those players just obselete now because the guy you want to hit that ways. Mike trout was gonna hit a bunch of home runs. No, no now, they're Christian yelich. And he's hitting thirteen is it like a d Gordon or someone Gordon would be? Yeah. Rough hands Ken Kennedy. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Oh, Jim Eisenreich full. Hold thought. Let's sell so mad thinking is in right. You're sitting on the any this entire time. The nuts. Facility managers. Keep your facility managed by going with the best in the business, Grainger, tell them to go looks more like your friend's dad. You're terrified of Robb nen or Ken, Ken Manetti? Good one. I want to sing then. Manetti. You're so happy brought up Ken committee. He makes people happy. Well, I mean that. That can come in any make people happy. Then you start thinking about his death. We're turn donlevatar Latimer Guerrero seven in war in nationals Expos history. Stugatz. How many Expos are ahead of him? Oh, easy. Gary Carter's, I hit him Raines rock Andre Dawson walk. Steve rogers. Tim Wallich wall. And then Ryan Zimmerman and then ZIM live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Mike was just saying that he's not as excited as he's been for the last ten years because he's a Browns fan and the Browns are good. And he's now saying for the last ten years or fifteen years draft we had been his Super Bowl week. And now he's saying Super Bowl week is his Super Bowl week. Ron Carter vice beat community in terms of rugged hand. I think so what about Derek Bell? I don't think I mean, we're talking Kharkov is and Ken Kennedy. I don't think Derek Bell's in that conversation. How morris? How about mauve on mobile might be in the conversation. Good one doesn't have rougher Hanson. How Morris it's Sean Casey rough hands. You know, what maybe I know. I think showing Casey good take my good strong take on that. You know, what it usually followed, by an opinion, the mayor. I the mayor had soft hands. I do I do too. I think very off habe soft gentle caressing hands. Yeah. I believe that too. You have that Sean, Casey. What do you have in the Sean Casey file, can you find that Sean Casey story? He told us about sleepwalking through a hotel and his tidy whitey's one night is that the first ever may be given in sports radio. It was useless. You know, what maybe is what he said four words where one would have done and the one was totally lukewarm. So let's update the polls at lebatardshow on Instagram Twitter as my grind, you got the Sean Casey filed. Did you get it up yet or not yet? Yeah. But I don't it's hotel alias. This story. But the story. Yeah. Yeah. This is ninety seconds long. And if I'm wrong on their well, let's take our chances. Let's take a porn hack. What was Sean Casey's hotel fake name? My fake name was my father-in-law was name was John Kanka. That was my name John big, John Kanka and one times for some reason. I slept walk outside my room. I think it was like the sweep tears or something you know, what I mean? One of those deals one of those. I think I was over four three punch outs at night in Boston. Next thing. I was having a bad dream. Yeah. That was out in the hallway in my underwear. So I go down to the front desk. Three thirty four o'clock in the morning. And I'm like, hey, I'm so sorry. I like I slept walk out of my room. Can I get you know, key back in the room? They're like, yeah. What's your name? I'm like, Sean, Casey. And then the list like this new Shawki staying here. Oh, my name's John Kanka. Are they? So. Security. Welcome back up to my room. Because it was under nail ius said I had to end up getting my license and show him that. I was really Sean Casey, not John canco. There's the mess. I think they thought it was an intruder. All right. Hold on a second. Look backtrack. -magine Sean, Casey goes tidy Whitey. I don't know why. I would imagine that. I was full why he just feel Harry body, you know, just Bom whether any other like customers hotel customers in the lobby when you went down. It's just me. I believe that. You've just told the most vulnerable story ever told about an ad like, I can't imagine. How mortified you're? I was mortified just really wanted to go back to bed though. I was like can I just get back to go back to Ben? Lebatardshow on Instagram or Twitter. If you want to update the polls, I think John Kanka beats Kennedy. I'm on John, John. Oh. How about how about Gorman Thomas? If you wanna go back earlier Ramos, man, self Asano. That is good. And it's been a great mustaches. That is really really good and bare knuckle boxer too. Yeah. Or tomato can fed to Mike Tyson. I I believe that's Kanka Kanka is the tomato. John king is a great name. John king. Cake. Heavyweight's fourteen and eight. We're not going to get to all these polls. No shot the Twitter polls. Brought to you by Dollar Shave Club dollarshaveclub delivers the product you use the look feel and smell your best right to your door, plus with their handsome discount. The more you buy the more. You save go to dollarshaveclub dot com slash, Dan. Very special offer. Those anyone get a tattoo on Monday. Eighty percent of the audience said, no, do you think it's possible for a band aid to bring you to emotional tears? Sixty six percent of the audience said, no the glass glaze did Klay Thompson fixes shooting because he jumped into the ocean. Seventy nine percent of the audience said, yes. Which is a better movie. Paddle seem flatliners or the abyss question. This has never happened before guys. 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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

"All right. Here we go. Oh, yeah. Now, this is a a banger right here. Boy, I go. Littlemore Gandhi for you. Right. Yeah. Man. My wife hosted Christmas in Washington Clinton's last year in office performed. I got to sit right next to Bill Clinton. Yeah. And I had that fantasy that superhero fantasy that I think a lot of people connect to where you're kind of hoping someone will try to get the president so that you could save the president. Right. And I take one I want to take it into chest. Just caught you in a shoulder. Right. Always legit looking around like open a rafters. Man. Let there be somebody Nasi. The president right now man, buying them. And everybody like that pretty prints junior he finally outdid his father took a while. But the man, save the president, his dad just told the guy jokes. I was conceived in the White House, by the way, my dad performance. That's where I was conceived. Jack. Yeah. Man. Crazies that? Why what what administration Ford? Yeah. Gerald Lord, ma'am, Dow went and performed. They got to stay in the White House, and then. Yeah. Nine ten months later ban. You apparently stayed in the White House. I'm telling you, man. Ten pound baby popped out ten months later. That's why you wanted to protect the president. I should've been secret service. That's what I should have a buddy, who secret service. They were probably looking at me, like this secret service guys are legit. I look at me like Manley jerk thing. He's saved a president like every other famous schmuck who would not have guts to do. I. Oh, crab going down. I have a buddy of secret service, obviously, I can't tell the stories on the air, but some of the stories that he's told me are just like out of this world like you would never ever believe let's cut commercial ESPN sometimes. Just just like from the just like how cool, it is. How outrageous to woah? I can't believe you were involved in something like that the different spectrum of stuff, you know, to, like, cool, like weird things like okay, well, there's like a foreign dignitary who some prints of somewhere coming, and, yeah, my side gig is to protect him. But what about the UFO's dire Boise? Any of those did not talking here and talk to president did not do any of that. At least I didn't ask him that that's the first question. Yeah. If I if I was with a secret service guy be like yo you ever seen any aliens, I come to the president, and, and ask it legit. Their story this past week gab, and it was fake about the F fifteen guys who saw allegedly. You know, it is what it is. You think it's fake that one, I think was yeah. That one, I think what they said, I think it was a weather disturbance. But maybe that's what they always say, you know, they said, they'd never seen anything like I was telling me later on though, they said it was like a weather anomaly, but it could've you know, you know, that might have been just a cover up. I seen whether man, get right? That often you never. You never know. Right. You never know what Dallas Raines gets a right every night, I'm telling you man when I was a kid weatherman name. I've ever heard names are always. When I was a kid, and y'all can think I'm crazy if you want. But I watched to Shooting Stars is when I was living in Albuquerque New Mexico. I saw two Shooting Stars, we're out in a Mesa plane is causing trouble. We had like a Caig out there, we're, you know, teenagers I'm not condoning it, but the cops couldn't get out that four wheel drive in the nineties, and we did, so we will go out there to kinda high school party, right? And we saw to Shooting Stars K not up close far away to way shooting star would normally, be didn't look different at all. Right wash it drop down, then it stopped then the second one stopped, and then they went straight up in there. Whoa. Now did you see stars when you didn't have a keg? Come on, man, I wasn't faded man. I was a good kid. Ardian out there. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you the secret service know about this. You've got to ask your boy, let's them on the break. I'll ask him Willie. Listen to my questions or just telling me to shut up about just be you probably won't pick up the phone. He's probably somewhere protecting someone most people just told me to shut up. Yeah. You probably, I mean, I think if I told him it was you, he'd be he probably would get back to me. But I don't know if he's even in the country. You can bring me on his show, and then on air say I got this buddy, but I can't tell you any of the stuff on there. I can tell you brush Ramona with the basketball stuff, sweet stuff, commercial breaks. So anyway, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers had two great moments today. So you know what Aaron Rodgers was mocked. Endlessly, when the Milwaukee Bucks were in the playoffs because he was doing the chugging, right? Like tapped out. Right. Only a third of the way, right? Because one of his linebackers or whatever, like took it down business. Right. And then he like left a bunch there. So he was being mocked for that. So parents recently like as a joke. Matt Stafford and Trubisky from Chicago. Mr. something recently, where they drank a bunch of powered down, and they were like they brought it up there. Trolling and the NFL NFL quarterbacks trolling money. So they brought it up. The media brought it up to Aaron like these guys. You know, they said they did a better job at chugging the beer than you did. He was like, well, that's cool. That's good for them that they actually did something better than me. Yo, that's like that old guy on the street. And you finally think you have something cool to bring to them. Right. And in his like, NASA, I did that two years ago, right? Yeah, that's great. So then the other stories Tom Brady. So Tom bright away, Aaron Rodgers has chilled way out since they got rid of that coach. Oh, yeah. He's hanging our game and thrown. He's talking trash about who should have got the final thrown cracking jokes on trolls professional quarterback, his colleagues write it hasn't really ripped his teammates lately. Well the season hasn't started. Yeah. That's still gonna come, but you know what it is? He's got part of the McVay tree. That's what he's got. He's got the mkx vision. Yeah, I too young to have a coaching tree. But you do Sean, whether you like it or not. Hey, you may be too young to humble to admit it, but you're good. And the people around you people are seeing that shine. And they're gonna keep hiring them brothers. So stay home Bill, like John Ireland says stay humble, don't get out work, but you have a tree. He may not be as as. Trunk worthy as like the Popovich tree, but his growing. Yeah, it's absolutely great. She'll Tom Brady people were feary ass- yesterday because when his company while he does a lot of that his company was trying to trademark Tom terrific. So in Boston. That's kind of what they've been calling the mostly the say the ladies, you know, the, the gave him that nickname, the Cougars, Boston gave him, the nickname terrific, you're gonna make people hate them more. I'm just saying, so. People were upset because that Tom terrific is Tom cedars nickname from his days with the Mets. Right. And so New Yorkers were going out of their mind that were freaking out. Playing out on social media and people just hate Brady just easy. Right. So the story comes out today that the reason he copyrighted or trademarked, Tom terrific is because he hates the nickname. That people call him. Tom terrific Brady, and he bought it to shelve it so that no one can ever use that again. That is the most wonderful example of disposable income that I've ever heard in my life really smart. Like some people got extra cast, like by old classic muscle car. Get rightly trademark three Pete. That's smart. Yeah. But that was for like positive. That's not. That was the make money. You finally Shelley money to not make the most Lubar definition of disposable income than I've ever for him if he can pull it off. I mean, I'm buying this word, so no one can say it again. Yeah. I'm gonna buy the word troll, and the no one will be the no one can use it ever. It'll be my work job, Freddie. Then I'll get a royalty, every time someone use you troll. So then they'll get their feelings hurt and the only money booth. Good, right? Get all these weak people off. So you get like three cents. Royalty checks from something that like roles in everyone. Sure, I do never looked at. A bunch of sag at the Screen Actors Guild somewhere. They're playing some movie in Thailand, or something that is one of your movies from back in the day. I mean my dad helped start the, the improv out here. So we still get like a tiny royalty check every month from the improv a three center, but it's in that world because I've always asked people that work in that universe. They're like, unlike what's like the silliest like, like royalty check you got. Oh, yeah. Like five cents on something. I'm sure have some of those remember when I wasn't like hip to it, right. And I just heard the word residual, you got money after did the job. I thought that was gonna be the same ties. Man, I was like nineteen years old. I was like, what, what is this man? They're like, yeah, that number goes down every time. I'm like it doesn't go up. Mud and my nineteen year old brain was so bad, like what doesn't it like appreciate with aids in value? Like I don't unlike classic car. Yeah. In that fine like wine. Not the team movies, funny. Coming up next. Andre snowing, one of our use BNB insiders. Stop by got a cool story on ESPN dot com about the top ten performers in the playoffs and where he ranks everybody's. We'll talk to Andrew about that. Get his thoughts on the series as well. He will join us in four and a half minutes there. It is Freddie the Latino wedding all stars. Why people love the Latino music? That I got so Lena. Daddy, Yankee by the way, has a new song, and it's actually a banger, by the way, when the girl hits that second gasoline, a-, a kinda wanna put my head through window. You ain't got. No Lebombo back there man. That. Find this song for the next break, daddy, yankee's new song is called normal route this it's re- eighties. Good or find some old school stuff to, you know, say, not threat this no-load this. Yes. What about some like? What about like Elsie gala? What about Abel Valdez? Maybe maybe you could do that to agree must negative. That's a good song. There you go. Enough time left in the show. Great. So he can do one in on the on the way in the next segment and one out, or you out the segment to Elsie gala Mabel death. He was a famous Cuban pianist, this argument should appeal to you. He defected did a show in Spain with Elsie gala Diego Salazar thing because his real name. Yeah. Lobbying pow- guy, I think that the well is good that the songs fire it's not like a dance song, but we're talking about you. Fall in love talking about weddings where you don't make you fall in love. It will make you which I about weddings where, you know, the are Anglo friend's house gasoline, awaiting side. What's that got to know? He's down dog down. That's reception music. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. He's leading. No wedding reception is what we're talking about. Andrea smelling. ESPN NBA insiders got a great story on dot com right now but the ten biggest playoff performers Smellie's. What was the last time you were at a, a wedding, where they were playing Hispanic Latin Hispanic music, and every was getting down. Do you remember where it was in what song was the song that was being played? I'm gonna be out of I've never been to a wedding where they were playing that, you know, the like a white people like a white person wedding play like some like like that song or like swath Mente, like pit bull. At least. With a man, I was trying to figure out how gasoline was a who was a winning. Wedding reception. We're the you know, the reception portion of it. I'm with you wake up into his lack, you know, I thought the one, I can think of with, with very conservative in Jewish and yeah, they had the little hat someone. They picked the dude and the wife up and chairs. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's. That song is fire. I like that song. I think there wasn't plant that a Yankee. I actually think that that is like Jewish weddings are awesome. Because it's so, so festive if you played that a Yankee during that chair dance the bride and groom will be dead in, like eight seconds, viewed as far too fast to be shaken people in chairs. Yeah. I love it, though. I love Jewish what he's super festive. So, yeah. Anyway, I understand. Let's get to your story on ESPN dot com. You've got the top ten performers in the postseason. Give it to me. Yeah. Of course, this article was written before Steph curry scores seventy nine points or whatever it was. But as of the time, there was written, I have Kawhi Leonard number one. I don't think that's not reversal. Number two guy. Guyana the only not number one Linter ears. I've got Draymond green number three, which was the first kind of controversial pick step at number four. Again after last night. Maybe that flip flops and then Dakota Yokich rounding out the top five you're not only got to the second round that mail was ball got him in number five. He was the only reason they got that far. Yeah. Hearing them now far and was about an inch and getting them for that conference. Title that James harden in the six lot. He's a finalist for his second straight MVP. But he's six on the playoff embassy. Lists. Joel Embiid at number seven. I think if that man was healthy, he might have been higher on the list, and maybe the raptors might not be in the final. But even when you could get on the court what he was doing was ridiculous. I Kevin Durant at number eight Damian Lillard at number nine in Jimmy Butler around talk to him. I wanna jump right on your number two on Yannis. Yes. On the way to Toronto he had to be not only your number one, but everyone's number one, so far was that? Is that a safe guess? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was my number one. I mean, I was like, I think I wrote an article somewhere around them for a couple game that was making the argument that he was poised to be kind of the LeBron James of the for the mix, you know, decade, essentially, and so, yeah, I, I had him in my number one slot. And was was making the argument that the co I couldn't really match him. But I would say I don't think it was Kawai that necessarily set him down the raptors front line is ridiculous defensively, and it doesn't really get a lot of coverage, but you figure on their front line. They have three total defensive player of the year awards. Another guy who got second Danny green, who's a defensive specialist. And in their best frontline. Defender is actually PASCAL the this year. It's like that, that, that crew of people with finally too much for even the Greek freak, get through let me ask you this. If let's say clay clay coming back game for, but let's say they don't get K D the warriors. How can do you believe they can win the series? If clay comes back at whatever percentage he may be coming back. Okay. It's interesting that you ask them that angle, you ask to believe the Golden State can win the series when they're, they're used to being such the favorite, they're not anymore, right? Now Vegas has flipped it to Toronto as the favorite for the series? And before they see restarted when he experts put out there they're picked series. I was wanted to people to pick around Toronto and seven. Yep. Yeah. I already had the raptors but even though I think the raptor, I thought they would win coming in. I think they should win. Now, I would never say to stay can't win, especially if play play. I mean, they're they're still a monster. You know if clay plays and he's healthy. There's still a century. The kernel of that team that won a title and they won seventy three games next. So can they win? Yes. But I think the Toronto will win. Do you think Kalis personality has something to do with not everyone willing to put him in a number one spot? I mean now it's easy to put him in there because he's in the finals. But you think is personality. Hurts them as far as people getting behind him. And what kind of player he is? Yeah, I could certainly see that, you know, he doesn't have a personality than inspires passion. Right. He. Became from the San Antonio minis. Right. So Tim Duncan had the exact same thing, Arctic about him for the twenty years. He was in the NBA like he might be the best player but Koby is exciting and check is exciting. And, you know, and I'm a Lakers fan. I'm one of the guys that says that take it easy. I mean it's what it is. You know, I'm a nerd, I'm a stats guy and all the analytics, they bid of his racing Koby my Article V v so that would start a whole new LA radio. You don't you don't understand like for us, like, Tim Duncan is the reason I know who Marcus Camby is because our rivalry was San Antonio was so great. We would go to Marcus Camby and say, well, he owned him in college. So how good contemn Dunkin really beat like, we literally did research aware Marcus Camby played in college and one game that he played against Tim Dunkin at wake boys. Can't be with the dog in college right now. You man. I remember that. That's right. But yeah, I mean Becky a question. Yeah. Quiet personality. Certainly held him down now he's on the limelight. You know, he's on the big stage and he's getting some of that limelight. I think also Toronto with the perfect place for him. Because he's now got a whole country of people in Toronto on the internet to raptors fans are like they're like, Laker fans. When it comes to cope, I mean, they are rabbit, they are if, if he has this success in Toronto, and he stays there. He'll get put on that list, just because you'll have a whole country, the people backing them thirty seven million people there. The raptors with Kawai is like the exact opposite of the Laker fans with Dwight Howard, like from day one we just rejected him there would be. No king of south central leg. Nothing Kalis king of like we just rejected him that town has embraced him so much. It's basically squashed any hope I had it all of quite coming home. Is it sort of Toronto for sure at this point? What do you think I know nobody has crystal ball? But what do you think that's what I was gonna say? I mean Kawais maybe most indicated clear in the NBA, if it were me. Yes, if I were Leonard for one I would celebrate it with Leonard but for two I'll resign in Toronto. I mean, that's I it seems perfectly set up his personality for all the reasons that we thought about. But I mean. Who's to say right? I mean he's from LA and all the rumors he was definitely going to LA. I guess, now the mystery and the reporter there, wait a minute. Did he buy a house Toronto? Does that mean he's gonna stay? I think he should stay. And I would maybe they're the favorites in the clubhouse. But I mean you know, he loves LA. So I guess a there's always a chance like real estate Twitter. I smelling. Last thing on the way out here we were just talking about March earlier about potential Anthony Davis deal. Look, we think the nets have kinda put themselves out of it considering the acids. They gave up to move off Alan crab in Boston with relieving its at least my assumption is he's leaving they're not going to be in an either, so both down to the Lakers and Knicks at least for teams that we know there, could always be a mystery team whose assets. Do you like better the Knicks assets or the Lakers assets? Oh, clearly the Lakers. I mean, the, the Knicks have that number three pick. That's their cry. Crowns, who and the this is supposed to be kind of a three person superstar draft. So you could say that that's to their benefit, but outside of that the young assets on the Lakers are clearly better than the assets of Knicks. And then there's several of them. So I don't see how the Knicks put together package appea- with what the best the Lakers could offer. Do you think this is a fair offer? Let's say cleared health with Brandon Ingram. Brandon Ingram Lonzo ball, the fourth pick and a future. I is that fair value for Anthony Davis? Honestly, I think I'm in the minority. I feel like that's too much really I they're going to have to pay a Laker tax. We all know that. Yeah. They have to play a Laker tax. And, and that's true. You got to overwhelm them because of the I by the issues of the owner, not wanting to trade him. Tell a. Yeah, I mean, and I get all of that. But I'm just looking at it like I know from when I was out there before I'm a big Lonzo fog. I know you end. Yeah. Even though he doesn't put up the numbers. So. What happened to the Lakers when he got hurt this year? You know. Yes, the bronze injury was the mammy, but they were still holding their own until about her. You put gall with Ingram with, with, you know with the, the number four, pick and another future. I. If I was I don't even know running the Lakers now. Leger. Actually, he wasn't Batman Koby. Yeah. If I was that guy I would have trouble quitting that much out there for four four Davis, Vernon this situation. I would there is Andre sailings. Follow him on Twitter prof is it at professor us, it professor DR the. Oh, sorry. Professor, DR Zee on Twitter is where you find ellings. That's a great video game tag handled to man. Kill. I say you're playing college duty you've been killed by professor DRC. You would hate to see that. Yeah, no doubt Andrei with already taken. Thank you so much, man, present it. Be good. There is under snatchings. You know what Greg Bergman? I know you're out there listening. Forget you do I'll need to be on Mason in Ireland. We better guests on this one guest the break down. So you could take my spot Birdman and they get your song. Oh, dang. And that's my jam. Right. They're telling me Cinna dinner with your lady, it's gonna hear this music, toast fallen level. Little more. This is reception in, like a little more like this cocktail. Tell us when the love starts when you're on the floor dancing that ain't about love. Nothing was going to go down. Bob movie, too, though, that's fine. There's a lot. They're saying, talion people can't love. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. It's racialism. Yeah. Their country's all about. Yeah. Right now. One final segment. This is my jam. I love that. You're playing this man students spire gypsy kings latman. He did. Yeah. Diego Salazar for. Voice sounds like the devil. If he felt bad about everything he did. We're back in ninety seconds. This is the new daddy Yankee song. That's a good beat. That Yankee still making music at twenty nineteen. This is good. This is good. I'm not mad at you. I'm still a little upset song should be at a Taco Bell. No say. That Yankee pit bull. There's a bunch of people on this nice Ryan. It's a collaboration. Yeah. Career goal. You know where I'm from we call him, our Monday, autumn, Ondo. That's his real name. Is it pit bulls? Real name is Mondo. That's a good name. I know. But pit bull is brand. Yeah. Yeah, does not a brand no doubt money. Yeah. Right. Right away. You still haven't seen Billy's documentary that song is actually in there. And they talk about being at the club. Yes. Dr Tony Bosch, and, and Alex a-rod. Yes, who is basically a Royd at the end of this, and we're talking about screwball, the Billy corporate, venture about Alex Rodriguez in the. Biogenesis stendhal. Yes. And he's literally takes him into the bathroom at this club while the song is played. And takes his blood in the stole man. It's a crazy documentary. We interviewed Billy before the you guys are nice enough to have me in your words. Talking about cocaine Cowboys wreck. Well, and then I was like, are you really a big fan you'll again, I text him and I said, just, come on the show, and he came on, and I got to see early link of the movie about the movie on I tunes watched it a million times. That's fascinates me is looked. And I'm not saying it's just because I'm in the tank from 'cause he's my friend, but I think he is the best documentarian there is right now you're one hundred percent right in the proof of that is every documentary. That's come out pretty much sense cocaine Cowboys has taken huge elements from cocaine Cowboys to push their story. If you watch the documentary white, boy, which is the story of white boy, Rick the movie didn't do well, but the documentaries phenomenal that may as well have said, thanks to Billy Corgan of the end of it because that's how close it was his style. So yeah, so maybe we'll get back on next time you're on. We could talk about screwball now that the movie's been out and people can see it. He can sell it a little more by virtue people. Buy it on, I tunes or whatever. Yeah. He can talk about that scene. Yeah. That's we got some numbers down this Carson Wentz deal. Remember we're talking about the extension. Let me be the Philly fan. All right. Tell me how much he frigging made. You wanna guess, one hundred just say that one. Thirty five you're close one twenty eight one twenty eight one twenty eight can be a max of one hundred and forty four million if he Super Bowl if he hits incentives or whatever he. Jared, Jared goff's gotta be like they're going to take care. That's their guy. They've already talked to him. He probably already knows exactly how much he's gonna make. Yeah. Because he's looking at that. And he's like I mean Carson wins. Good. But he's always hurt. So, you know, if you all don't pay me, you know, I think this is going wackadoo it'll right now. Was that a caller? Right. At least it wasn't that creepy media kinds, DEA mex-, impression that gave me nightmares three weeks. Oh my God. She might create a cool thing. We do like a hot take segment Meena and every time that she delivers her hot take right before we play go. That's correct. That's you're about to do the skin that we play you understand, like I won't even be able to meet her now because of that because the first thing I'll think of when I see her is going to be. Whoa. That was that was Charles Barkley actually hit the wrong button. This one. Hit me on Twitter. Tell me that didn't just freak you all out. Sounds audience loves it, though girlfriend. Exorcist when John speaks her. And you guys you guys are laughing like this. I'm not even I'm not even being funny. Like every time you play it legit, like one more time. Oh, no, no, no, no. Taking my headphones. So loud, I could still use this thing my created for a hot takes every time she delivers one is. Rim. And then she goes, now that's good reception. Music, right there. Yeah. That is good. That's some nice reception music, goo Petrom. Are you gonna wrap for me? We only got like a minute last ones about the Keio. Gimme a sixty second freestyle. Not no. I got some more news out of baseball. With Dallas kaikal. You wanna know where he's going, where BUSTER only saying to the Braves Braves nothing. The pretty good, actually ain't enough. The man we tore them up last year to beat the dodgers, but you know that I'm I mean that doesn't help like I don't want National League teams beefing up anymore. The cubs in the Braves ain't got none for us. We gotta worry about the cubs Braves ain't got nothing. Cubs are way more dangerous, especially the postseason scenario. I'm with you on that. Yeah. Their biggest problem was bullpen. Yeah. By the way, that was our only whole that needed. Any Phil Joe Kelley situation has been not so great, but they signed guys that get hurt and I get that because it's, it's almost throw away money. You're not having to pay him a tone. But it's tough to the guy. I don't remember who it was which part of their brain trust that was on a year ago or something. But he talked about how the only thing that keeps him up at night. It's inter- Friedman. There you go. Is this bullpen bullpen bulletins one of the top? So what's you guys had the guy? Why didn't you just get him in? Then you didn't have to have any more nightmares this season, injure more nightmares. Now, enjoy Freddie, Bruce junior. Thank you, brother. I always appreciate you coming in. I love the invites. Thank you. Yes, please continue to do to join us and graced with your presence. So makes you listen to the new daddy, Yankee song police Iowa. I actually have see this weekend. Trudell tomorrow.

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Hour 3: Gary Payton

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Hour 3: Gary Payton

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? Gary Payton with us on ESPN radio. He's with us on behalf of the does three x three national championship. And he's maybe the best trash talker. All-time STAN Van Gundy. Do you have another nominee on great trash talkers? Close to Gary first of all damn snark from the beginning of the game and go in the little bit. I got a chance to coach Gary Gary talk trashing practice all day long. There's nobody close to him. Nobody clubs. Nobody close. Gary terriers with us here on ESPN radio. And we'll get into what he's promoting in a second. But I thank you for joining us the hall of Famer I'd like to talk to you. I just like to ask you some true or false questions and get you to elaborate on some of the things that happened during your career because I am told the Jason Kidd made the mistake of saying something to you or blocking your shot when he was a rookie and that game ended with him coming over to you an apology as is that true or false. That's true. But I you know, I raised him. So he tried to eat try. Some anyone supposed to try to do that any new. I was back at him. And it all turned out bad for you. But came in and apologize. Is who I like little brother shoot it? So it was all good. Okay. But hold on. You went on a fifteen or no score fifteen zero scoring run by yourself because you got mad at Jason Kidd. And so the idea that he would come in apologize to you. What was the apologizing to you four for? For me kidding going. Adding because I was giving him a break. I was gonna let him go because he was my he was my younger brother, and I was gonna lay go bed and not go at him. But he knew not to say anything to me. But that's what happens, but it was hard about that is is always a great for you always can call your own place at that time. I was calling them all place. All I did was call is. So all day every day, and he couldn't Garbey. Well, you didn't you did this to a lot of people is this true or false that you went at Scotty Pippin later in his career with. Hey, you wanna see my top fifty list? It doesn't have you on it. Scotty. Yes. Or no shortfalls. This is a Cording to Damon Stoudamire. You did this true or false, Gary. Ms is really really tired. I want to get it all on the networking side. But I got all the time. I'm not gonna comment on that comment. Probably I was kinda mad about the time. If I didn't say, but I'm not gonna go out here. Like dang. Because Gotti my guy, I'll take that as a true stand. What do you have very painful? Well, no, I just you know, stuff we were talking about before, Dan, Gary. I just wanna know how you look like you guys played every single night you John Stockton, Michael, Jordan, Karl Malone. Everybody played every night eighty two games every year. And now you look at these guys who all are or a lot of them. The best players sit down healthy and just sit down fifteen to twenty nights a year. I just want to know how you look at that. Stan I've been talking about it all on my show, the mounts is low management mess. I I don't get that. I don't get low management. You're getting paid thirty and forty million dollars. Man. If people wanna come out and see you. I think you know rhythm. I mean, and then they talk about oh, they're tired. They all your practice anymore. What are you talking about? They go in and have shooting games. They don't work on anything. So what are they talking about? What's the what are you tired about? Hey, you know, and then all of a sudden they say they might get hurt. Okay. You might get hurt in sixty. You're gonna play in the beginning. You don't get hurt. You got a chance of getting hurt anytime. I hate this loan management stuff. I hated to a point where I don't even wanna watch it sometime, you know, and let stand I don't like it. We played I played for almost nine ten. Oh, eight nine consecutive years in a row at eighty two guys out of clay, if you wanna get some rest. Out and blow the team out. Go blow the team out or me didn't blow it out. And then get sit down. That's the way. I would look at it. And and then that's it. Just it gets under my skin to even talk about a low management as you went after Pippen. I'm wondering Gary back to the trash talking ever, go after Jordan. Yeah. You know, I went out to him all the time. I was what I needed to do is. That was the best player that that was in a league at the time and all business going, and he was on top winning a lot of championships. And that's what I like doing. I like going at the top players. And then trash-talking was what am I things I didn't back down. And nobody anybody in the league can get it. Now. I mean, a coach fan apparent anybody can get it with me. So I didn't care about anybody. You have a story of Michael humbling. You not that you did much in the way of humbling, but I've heard some stories, I don't know what your true, and which aren't. I met him to NAMI me at all. There's no harmless yamba made. I mean, I shut up and I'd never showed up never went back. And then I never, you know, he never got that my game like that. So I don't think about no humbling. Nobody nobody ever in the basketball true or false for all your trash talking. You could never bother Stockton. Never never. That's true. Very true. The point that I couldn't do couldn't bother him because he wouldn't talk back. He was just like a zombie. He would want why by act like he wasn't even there. And then he'll go to work. He did it without trash talking. I did it win trash talking bag it up. He did it without trash talking and bag it up. And that's why I liked him. So much right now as a best friend of mine. And of course, everybody knows I got him to honor me all the fame present me. So I got a lot of respect for him. And he was wanted all. Player that I could never get. He's with us on behalf of the dose. Eckes three x three you national championship. Visit three x three hoops dot com. For more information. Stan what do you have for Gary Payton? You're I want to know who was the best at giving it back to you like Khuda who did you think was a good trash talker. Well, I use those saying good question in two years. I've played against Larry Bird. He was really really really great. He was work. We're one of the best basketball players. I ever see play their ball here. Tell you where he's going to go on a spot here. Say I'll shoot his three in your mouth right here in a corner, and he note here, and he said, I'm gonna take two dribbles and you're going to try to jump it. Then I may hit you and I'm gonna run down on him. A look at you. And it's going to go to the net. And now, it was incredible to me is always going to give us Christmas presents, and it's going to be a jumper in your mouth. Always talking putting up there. The hands around his nag talk about people choking. They couldn't finish. And he hit jump shots in their mouth and lick Ataman. And and look crazy, Michael Jordan on his breath doing things like that. But then three guys was was in the ultimate trash talkers. And I love playing against him. I wish I could play against Larry Bird and a little bit more, but only play visits years, and and they were they were really really really great true or false. Gary Payton, the nineteen Ninety-four playoffs you and Ricky Pierce at teammate are in the locker room, and you're screaming at each other threatening each other's families and threatening to go get your gun. How do you get all these stories? Sorry, mother. You know, you will get you get into t Mason get into fights a lot of things explained in go alone. Too far we met a going too far. But we thought about it afterwards. And then we we fruit around, and we got on the plane to go on a trip, and we sat back in the back and talked about it and it had a beer after that. And everything was good. What are you proudest up? Like, what's the gold medal of Gary Payton trash-talking stories? All level because I was really good at it. So I I probably myself. That's what I used to come on the court to do there's like Santo, Jim when he when he coached me and Miami, I used to come to practice until crazy. That's how it gets me motivated and stare was stand with let us play when while we were scrimmaging, and it would just be fun because we were get I would get more guys. It'd be competitive because they ended it made it more competitive. Gary familiar Twitter break, I'm talking crazy. Heather at someone. What did you bring out? And I know STAN love it because he get more out of practice. You know? So that's what it that's what it took. And know, I that's what I did. You didn't break any player though. You didn't shake any player where you could see? Oh, look, I'm here now. And this guy is totally bothered because of my mouth everybody was Bobby like that they were getting that's what I used to do. That's what that's what I know. I won when you star. Concentrate, no meat and not concentrating on the team. And then all of a sudden you get in trouble. And then sit on the and I'm over there and talking about events and say man how looking over there. Looking at me now. And that's what I need. I wanted to do. And he's over there. He mad and telling me to get get the F away from the bench and wanna fight me and stuff like that. That may not conquered it. I love furious. Gary is because Stockton simply would not open is now, that's the way you handle it handle. He's with us on behalf of those AKIs three x three you national championship visits. Three x three. You hoops dot com for more information. What is it Gary? What can you tell us about it? It's going to be three three, you know, guys. Everybody is big on his three on three. We've now put it in Olympics hero. And that's going to be good. There's tournament that they'll second is putting on it's it's at the mall of America this weekend at the final four. We're going to have thirty two teams where four men on each team division. One basketball players. There's going to be the first time they can compete for money the grand prize for the winner at a team is going to be a hundred thousand dollars in the next wanna rub every place not like two thousand and after that, then then whoever's aftermath third they get a thousand money pays. Then what's going to happen is is that this game is all half court has got a twelve second shot clock. His got he mega bucket. His one point you make it three two points. You know, I want to twenty one wins a basketball game. And then if you don't have twenty one we got ten minutes, we've got a ten minute clock. Boy if that runs out and. Nobody who had twenty one. Whoever's got the most points win the basketball game the art. It is now, and it's why I'm I'm gonna Bassett around this. And then suppose person that we're gonna have trash talking for everybody to monitor who's trash talking and who's doing best, and we're gonna vote this news. Best trash talkers ROY him for being the best trash talker. And we want to fans you just have a ball have a ball and let them ready role. We don't want it to go crazy where we started getting the fighting and stuff like that. And we all want that you gotta have tons can. And if you don't have king, and they get into it. I'm going to be able to win into that. Because I want to get onto people scanning and see I goes, Gary thank you for being with us the hall of Famer again with us on behalf of the dose. Equities three x three you national championship. Thank you, sir. We will talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you are a fan. I've seen. All right Garrick. See some. Mony Mony Mony Mony Mike Ryan he nosing fail. Mike Ryan failed now too late too late. It does it work. Stay chance. He gave. You see Gary one of the worst produce shows of all time today. So wreck the moon dealt. Really what happened? Did you pull a hamstring Philly? What happened did you just laugh and pull a hand? Correctomundo because of how also happy, and I was sweeping my order. They need. You injured yourself think workers comp? Her people provide the best candidates for you to hire. Skopje? You have no place for your legs because I've been looked under your desk. There's a ski under there on I conduct it the other day. No, he cleaned it up. It was amazing. He finally stopped hoarding. It was it was like Lockhart stadium. Someone had taken a weed whacker everything like it was unbelievable there. I all the PG. I saw in a condo snaking through. It was the dirtiest foulest thing I've ever seen any sits next to somebody who had a cheese sandwich in his desk per year. Now have to God's here. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go a hiring is simple, fast and smart a place where growing businesses connect to qualify candidates. That place is recruiter dot com slash Dan, ZipRecruiter, send your jobs over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job as applications come in ZipRecruiter analyzes each one in spotlight. V top candidates. So you never miss a great match. 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It's early in the dating process she has to go to the bathroom bathroom overflows with debris. Oh, stugotz cheese quietly trying to clean it up. He walks up the stairs. And sees her on her hands and knees, they meet is. And she immediately begin sobbing. I mean, of course, he's going to begin sobbing. Again, I would have begun something. I would have looked up and been like one. Live with our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio in about fifteen minutes. Maybe a little less than that. Brandon Francis is going to join us. And it's because this team wants to have a rooting interest in this final four this this program wants to have a rooting interest. Well, I think also they want to have people who are rooting for them right because it's sort of a nowhere program, and they want people like you to stop saying that because that's all you say every time out with you. Call tumbleweed you nowhere program. How does anybody tell this story every time you mentioned, Texas Tech you rip them? So we're going to have someone convinced us and convince you to change your tune, very good. That would be good producing right there. That is not what I have seen evidence of today. But I want to I want to I wanna take people behind the scenes on what I just saw a snapshot in the natural environment. It was like watching the discovery. Channel the complicated relationship of Mike Ryan and Stu gods. They love each other dearly, but Mike really eight stugatz as well because he can make some things very difficult. So what I just saw is to God's telling people to swipe up on stupidity while shoveling French fries into his mouth playing full court jester character eating swipe up. I'm disgusting. But right before that what I saw was how it is that you get the trains to guts to do the tricks. You need him to do because Mike Ryan and Stu gods had the following conversation. And it's verbatim. Mike gas to God's Stu gods. You've subscribe to your own podcast, right? God. Stugatz. His response was of course, Mike Ryan's response was oh, no. You haven't subscribed to your own damn Pontiac? That's exactly how it happened. I unsubscribe every Thursday and resubscribe every Thursday boost those pivot for the lime Mike you can't pin him down on any how he's always got a pivot for the lies to poverty is it out. Is it finally out? It is out. I thought if I subscribed them my computer would carry over to the phone. Mike was mortified that listen to podcasts on my computer. But but I do the episode is out, Dan. I am telling you this is the best. And I never say this. I don't know if I could do any better observance we had reality on. He is super energetic is interesting. He's such a sweet and kind dude. And he he put a point system to some of the arguments being my wife or having, and it's it's very very well done. And I'm really proud of it. Plus sarahspain joins us. Meantime for the seventh time in nine episodes. She joins us as well. And and we had the iceman not George Gervin Frank. I Sola about that. About that. It's a big week for love of throat and friends. I'm just curious. How do you find a podcast on your computer? Because I don't think you've ever listened to a podcast you go to the store, and you listen to a podcast. Yeah. And what was the last one? You listen to you want me to talk about some of our competitors. Or what? I just don't believe the a podcast. I find the street you go home to open your computer. Listen to a podcast. I don't buy that for listen. I am a big fan of TED talks. It is the end Malcolm glad well, that's probably my favorite is glad well, I'm sure. I like it. Now, it's very it's it's glad it superintending and TED talks. I actually felt Tom was his last name and tell Mike told me that it wasn't if it's dancing. It's amazing. We also put out a bonus out beat sessions, Dan while we're promoting everybody else's. There's a bonus out beach sessions earlier in the week. We hit you with Chris Bosh partout south beach sessions this week. I know I'm telling you each part is better than the last. But this is the best Bosh interview. We've had on south each sessions. Tony Bosch, the biogenesis doctor or maybe non doctor joins Billy Corgan in studio with Dan, and they talk about movies scruple. Awesome wonder that when was that released today this Muslim competing with Dan? Thanks. You beat him every single week. That's a good point. Brandon francis. Gets us to adopt Texas Tech nex donlevatar, stugotz is a liar. Whatever Stu gods. Well, we know this about yourself. What happened? I just it's a statement of fact on someone who lies so much that who can be correctly identified as a liar. Yes. I don't do you even dispute that no, no. These don't live with our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Why is Dana white telling McGregor to knock it off? I understand that some of the stuff is offensive, but he's retired. Why does Dana white care whether Conor McGregor is doing things on Twitter? Not or that he has jurisdiction over him. And to the Padre fan. I'm wondering here liked it. All he do is curse. Or she like was there was there anything else and then racial in there who think people should be allowed to curse at games. Why listen if Adam Jones going after a fly ball on a fan trying to destroy? Racked him by cursing. Okay. I think that's I don't is that worthy of being kicked out of the park. Oh, probably not how bad is it though. Like is it just an endless stream around kids because probably so. The throw in the kids. I mean ruins my argument for all the latest headlines and information tune the sportscenter on ESPN radio all throughout the day. Brandon Francis is with us now, and we need a team to adopt in this tournament because we don't have a specific rooting interest. So he is a senior guard. So he's going to try to sell us that adopting his team. Yeah. I'd like some help from it. I thank you Brandon for joining us before we go down that path though when this season started, what was the best case scenario, did did you guys think it would be here. How you guys doing? First of all, I wanna thank you guys. Giving me the opportunity to be here with you guys. And now not to be up to be honest. I don't think we we spec to elegance. They have been we know we was a little bit talented. But that it just an amazing felon for us to be in this position. We all right now, you you grew up in the Dominican Republic's you've taken on unusual path to get here. And usually the path involves baseball from the Dominican Republic when it comes to to athletes. What can you tell us about what your life was like back there when I wasn't a Dominican Republic. Of course, I started playing baseball. But I really wasn't good out of them. If you know I couldn't catch a little bit. But I couldn't hit a ball for not theirself. I decided to stop playing basketball. You know, I'm glad he paid off. But back home, you know, we have a lot of great players saying definitely that's the for till to this day. Was was basketball away out for you? The way baseball is for a lot of kids in the Dominican. Oh, definitely definitely the way out. I think he got into pick a basketball. I probably wouldn't be here where I'm at right now. And you know, my my dad also played college basketball, Boston College. You know, I felt like it was in my blood and let a bit. But you know, I'm glad I have this. They right people willing to teach me and helped me out when I was over that in the DR, STAN what do you have for Brandon Francis? I just wanna know Brandon wins the first time you ever heard of Lubbock, Texas. To be on the first Bali, maybe twenty fifteen you know, that was the first time. I heard about it. I didn't know anything about it. You know, I took a visit. And I was like, wow. This is this is a different place. But I mean, if you had the chance to do it all over again, I I wouldn't mind this, you know, it was an amazing plays a lot of friendly people and definitely has down the best fans in the country. So you know, I recommend people that the visit love like a little bit more often what's typical Saturday night like in Lubbock. Typical Saturday night a Lubbock, you know, students do they then it just fun just fun to be around. You know, it's a lot of great places for you to go and enjoy yourself. They have they have a Mason barbecue and kiss Adidas. And if you owe a lover, I mean, you can always go to any place, and, you know, watch the games and and have a great time with your teammates of France or or classmates and stuff like that. Why should we root for you team? Why why should America be rooting for clothes or Texas Tech to win and to hold up the trophy, Brandon? I think I think I think the whole country shoot roof us because we we we're not gonna support you when he comes down to play harp playing together. And being a team that it's going to do anything to win a team. But he's fun to watch. We've very unselfish. I don't know if you ever watch us play. But you know, I I think we played as good as anyone as far as Seren the ball. And and when he comes out. Defense. I'll feel like that's our strength because we we we have brotherhood in. And we we love to help each other out. And I think that's one of the main reasons you guys should pick us to win the whole thing. Are you the reason are you the reason that nipsy hustle was celebrating with Texas Tech basketball team like what happened there twenty four hours or so before his death? You were you were with him. Right. Yeah. Me and my dad, oh, you know, we we know for for a long time. I got work. We haven't for like ten years. So it was just an amazing moment for him to, you know, put everything aside and come and support me and my team as you know, he was living. He was in court with us. You know, fortunately stuff happened. You know, we all shot by you know, we're going to keep his memory alive for as long as I live. I will do that. And he he was just an amazing felt like, you know, I felt like he can say goodbye. And you know, that that's the memory that you know, he's going to be part of history. But you know. I it's going to be part of my life forever, son. And I'm grateful for that that I could spend you know, that dot com on them. We'll have STAN what do you have for Brandon Francis? The Texas big when now I've I've seen guys play a lot and I've been to Lubbock, Texas. So my question Brandon is do you own cowboy boots and a cowboy hat there because everyone else does? Hey, no, matter of fact, one of my teammates every vents in. He got like, maybe five hats and maybe six boots. So I don't I don't have any myself. But you know, he he kind of representatives and that way he always wearing them. And you know, it's a it's great to have guys that, you know, keep the traditional live, and you know, guys there. No matter why they're going to be there themselves, whatever they go. But you know. By the way, you big time stand you big time guideline grand. And you're telling me Jared Culver who was from Lubbock doesn't have cowboy boots and cowboy hats now, you know, it's funny. Derek Cobra even done, Sean Lubbock. He he hates cowboy boots. Maybe own a pan and represent a little be more. But you know. Brandon. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate why is stand big time. Just because he's been to Lubbock or just because we all about to say that you idolize. That doesn't make any. Hey, no, damn and you big timers. Well, your dad poppy, he's big time cinema say Hello. And I said. Said you know, I I heard some things about you as well. So yeah, you let someone out. I mean, if you want a roofer, you're probably the guy you should be enough to. I just telling you right now. I mean, was it STAN? And Dan are big time. I'm a bit bigger, and I got an arm. Oh, you are gonna podcast. It's bigger than okra. You know? I know you are. I know you are. No, no love you. Don't know. My name. You don't know. What's name brand that wanted to stay minutes? Okay. But Brandon what is his name this. And it says everything's online. I will root for you. In stewart. Don. Done. Tarred? Did you know that Jose could say goes finger fell off during a poker game. We did a good show today, man. Sixty eight percent of the audience said. So we got to. That all our job is to guts that that's quality program. We put together job everyone. These live at our show with a Stu gods. Only SPN radio we'll get to the polls in the second lebatardshow, Instagram and Twitter, but firsthand Van Gundy, Ron COPA the major league umpire there. Couple of them that are notoriously historically bad angel Hernandez and this guy everybody knows they're bad. And last night. He just just yells into the other dugout. I can do whatever I want. Did you see that? And what did you make of it? I didn't see it at the time. But, but I've I've heard about it this morning and look at you were absolutely right. I think he said it in a local hour. He's gotta be gone. I mean, not a suspension. Nothing. Get rid of the guy. Somebody with that attitude has gotta go. Look, those guys are not supposed to be the show. You know, we wanna watch the baseball players people are going to miss Coles and things like that. There's going to be disagreements, but somebody with attitude. Belong out there. That is a fiery take from standing gun coming strong, send it to the ESPN news desk, Mike along with all that ripping did of the heat organization earlier, not rip the heat organization. So this quote from Gino REM, what is STAN Van Gundy say to it the majority of coach America afraid of their players, the NCAA, the ethnic directors and society is made them afraid of their players every article you read this guy's bullied this woman's a bully. This guy went over the line. The woman was inappropriate yet. The players get off scot-free and everything they can do whatever they want. They don't like something you say to them they transfer coaches they have to coach with one hand behind their back y because some people have abused the role of coat. I mean, he's spot on. I think a lot of coaches are afraid of things that can happen with their players, and he was just talking college basketball. But I I think it'd go into into pro basketball as well too. I mean, I think there's a lot of guys who are are coaching afraid a lot of the time at lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter to what do we have today? What's the recap who has a higher football IQ Aaron Rodgers or Mike McCarthy? Eighty eight percent of the audience said Aaron Rodgers who has a higher football IQ, Mike Ryan or Mike McCarthy's the big one a big one. This is huge sixty seven percents of the audience said Mike, Ryan. Listens to the Tomahawk podcast. Can Adam Schefter p while holding three cell phones. Can we get some retroactive chickens around here? Did you guys not unveil didn't figure out through through investigations, that's chicken? He actually admitted to turn. Ballots for radio. Does that put unders chin believable? I loved hearing you guys come back and forth with follow up questions to have your like where did he have the two phones to God's like one on the urinal to in his an where and the story just kept falling apart. But ninety one percent of the audience believed that they have. Yeah. They also believe Mike Ryan knows more about. That's true. That's really an audience, by the way. William you. Don't know what you. You don't know what you're talking about on the ball out in Seattle. Yes. That's right. My grind should be Rogers new coach not only looks like Aaron Rodgers but could lead him to glory. Unlike that remedial, low IQ McCarthy try to connect over family either come to know your players. Has this show lost the art of receiving great stories? Do we have one today? Well, Gary Payton hell has out those learning bird stories like that. That was good jumpers in your mouth. I'm gonna come over here in throw imitate. Your dribbles to step back in your mouth for jumping jumper your mouth. What are you gonna do about? Seventy six percent of the audience said, yes, you done something when Gary Payton is saying, you know, that guy he was really good at trash-talking saying have you ever talked trash to a player. Yeah. But. Not very often. But yes example, come on say, it was what did you say? Next time say no easier, just lying stand. So that we don't fall into this. Quicksand of asking the question, you're like, I don't wanna. I'm not going to say name. So are you hurting you hurting the one that's barris though, you have to be a name, you could just give us the specifics of how it is that STAN Van Gundy arrives at talking trash when opposing Pliono talking trash, but a lot of times like when guys would be complaining about calls, and it'd be over the referee on our in line. You know, I do, you know, you know, stop whining, the F up something like that. The way. Ambulant? Mazing, and I love how specific bird is with his trash talking. Hey coming out of this time out. I'm going to step over there. I'm gonna hit three it's going to being a mouth every story. I've heard about Larry Bird trash-talk is Larry Bird saying exactly what the details. Rash talk. Yeah. But that's what makes it good. That it gives you the details. And then does exactly that timing. I'm I'm on Billy's more of a gypsy than he is jump shooter can see the future. It's not even trash talk. Anything fact was that Marty Smith story crap. I mean, I mean how could anyone of said, yes. Twenty four percent of the audience said, yes, what what? Or they said, no so read the internet wrong. And I I don't have any money on me. That's unfortunate. God's christ. Almighty, would you? Bill Francis junior. He is money. No, I don't what three dollars. No.

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Chris Bosh Part II

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Chris Bosh Part II

"Uh-huh. L O wits. Dan, Lebed tar Chris Bosh was a lot of fun to sit down with. We couldn't air it all because it would have been too long to do in one parts of this is part two. We respect his honesty in the fact that he's willing to be intimate. We will get to a variety of different things with him before we do that ZipRecruiter is sponsoring all of this keeping it for allowing us to create more content for you, we need you. If you wanna support the stuff that we're doing to rate subscribe review. And also listen to what Mike has to tell you about ZipRecruiter before we get to Chris by Dan, I'm out in the streets. Okay. I talked to a lot of ZipRecruiter stream out in these recruiter streets, and I talked to a lot of people that own their own business. And always tell me how hard it is to hire. While hiring is no longer hard. Thanks to ZipRecruiter multiple job sites, stack your resumes, and it's just a confusing review process. But today ZipRecruiter makes it easy for you. 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Chris what details do you? Remember the specifics of where you were and how it happened? And how you felt when LeBron James when the news got you that LeBron James was leaving the house with the with the NBA Africa. Man. I was judging kids and dunk contest. And how do story how does side and outside court an outside court that they'll somehow cooler than that San Antonio barn way at and weighs in better. And you get the call who's calling you and what are the details. Nobody called me. I have been waiting on the news by this time. Everybody super handsy, and I have my phone in my pocket. And I know what's going on. I know we're super close, but I didn't expect that. So I'm sitting down, and I know that Duane in LeBron flight that was the whole the flight would, you know, the flight from Vegas life Vegas. And so I know there might be news phone goes off. I had a text from pretty much Duane in shortly. After a text from Brian explain in the news, and I was like damn I just put my phone back in my pocket. I didn't even read anything else. And right when it happened, you know Africa's more modern now so do. Guy internet on their phone and MC was like, oh, we got big news. I stood up right away. You running finger thrown even doing go. The micro. Stood up. He saw all seventy him down. Okay. He might. Yeah. A good idea. If I say when I just read, but were you man heard bothered to I knew I had to make my decision now. So I was I was too focused on I was doing and then kinda after the smoke cleared. Yeah. I was I was stunned. You know, I wanted to keep going, and you know Haberman. He made his decision. It is free agency. And you know, he has the right to do that. But you know at the time. Yeah, I'm disappointed. I was disappointed because I already knew I know what it is. I knew that automatically made Cleveland the best team in east then Kevin love going there. I'm like damn. That's our that's our formula. You know? Stolen the secret. As a way to you know. And then I was just thinking about my situation right away because as soon right away. I I was thinking, okay. Damn tonight's gonna be a long night. And so I pretty much, you know, I was thinking of all the phone calls going to have to have because you know, I was negotiating Houston it while I was going to say how close were you to going to Houston because I know some of the details in the background there that you know, the Miami Heat were told, hey, Bosch gets the Macs more. He's gone. He gets the max or he's gone period as business. That's that's the levers that. I had I had one deal here and other places. And but you know, they made the decision who's cutting quick was easy for me. 'cause you never wanted to go anywhere. Stay here. I didn't I didn't think of anything I thought. Okay. All right. Well, and we lost man. It it really hurt to it hurts anytime you get a little bit sucks. But that one like looking. Back on it. It was kind of a, you know, an emotional time a little bit because it was like man, what if what if this last time plan together man, it kinda cross the mom. But then it was like, no, I don't take it easy, man. Shame baddie definitely was retiring. The question was still out there about Ray. He still had a decision to make at the time. You know, it just took a left. We just kind of had to pick up the pieces, and then, you know, it hurts again because I know we weren't going to be that good this year with all due respect looking at the team. Not what you'd spent the last four years. A look. And then a look like what I what you hadn't Toronto. Yeah. And it's like, yeah. Chris shake off them shake off does those knees off, and you know, mind, you we just went to the finals too. So you still that's the worst part you'll lose and get the same amount as rest the winters. You don't get extra rest because you lost. You still got to come back in the camera to go in two months? And as a matter of fact, I need more I had to kind of switch my brain off because I had grown accustomed to plan within that offense a certain way finding your way. Yes. Oh, I had the everybody's like oh Chris Toronto days. I said, no, I'm away better basketball player one. And why would I wanna go back to Ronald that doesn't make any sense? You know, as when I was losing more. I want to be successful. And that was just having redefine everything figure it out and deal with that deal with that pain. How about the physical pain like what were you going through and playing through? When you were having some of some of your medical scares like where you were you fighting bullet proof through stop, and I told is a professional athletes. I can handle anything. I was I was foolish to little bit looking. And that's what I cars people if you ever have any pain that you're being crazy or hypochondriac or anything like that? But I was in a tremendous amount of pain. Which come to know, I had a collapse long a little bit parsley claps loan. That's why couldn't breathe. Still have thirty. Long look back on I can laugh at it now. But it was very I should have months before would even happen before. I got hospitalized weeks and weeks. I should have I did say something, and you know, the trainers didn't really like oak. Maybe it's a I thought it was like a tear or strain in my ribcage at first. And then I say, yes, probably what it is. 'cause it was more of a muscle soreness at first. And then, you know, just progressively got worse. I mean, I had he packs on my chest at night because it would be this pulsating pain. And I remember one time we plan to Mavericks the next day. And I was in so much pain the night before. Okay. I'm not gonna play tomorrow. I shouldn't play tomorrow. And then DeWayne was out in lieu all was out. Damn. I gotta play. I gotta I gotta play. And you know, I just continue to play. I shouldn't have been playing you having trouble breathing. You're breathing. That's a telltale sign of what's going on. But I should have spoken up more about, you know, athletes, we try to be super tough and thinking we're bulletproof like, you're saying and everything it got to the point. Yo, you know, some something, and you know, people pass on from this stuff. So I'm extremely lucky. I think there aren't a lot of people who have your ability or would be your kind of uniquely qualified to actually handle having your identity taken in your early thirties and then moving onto the next part of your life. And yet still I imagine it has to have been dark and awful very to go through the the the wrestling match of doctors, and I wanna play and know this taken away from me right with not by my choice. It can't be something that takes me out. Like, I think that's what people. I don't understand. You know, I've spoken with the heat. And we've talked about it. We talked it out 'cause we family, but at the time. Yeah, I wanted to play in a specially the second time. I wasn't hospitalized. I was actually doing the right thing and saying my calf is a little sore. Just in case, let me make sure everything is. Okay. And I went and got old tra- sound and Toronto in class. And I thought they were messing with me. You don't mind what? And then, you know, apart me always things like damn I said anything. But then again, I can't do that. Because what if that would have been the win get me? And we had a good team that year. I was like man finally. Yeah, I wanna I wanna get back on the I wanna get a the ele- Brazil here. That's great. We're over it. We're better. You know, what I mean, we're going to we're gonna compete. We're going to continue to compete for championships. And it was a challenge to myself to see if I even do it can I help lead team back to the promise land. And and how cool that would have been the play against. Brandon Eastern Conference finals and plants around these my thoughts, and then we watched us plan Toronto in a series. I'm like damn I wanna play Toronto in a series. I won't play Cleveland series. If we would advance we had a chance to do both. But it was just yes doesn't shock. It's like, I was confident all-star again, you know, I can still do this at this level. This is what I'm gonna do these in my dreams aspirants, and then you know, the plug it's yanked out. It's not cool. No, absolutely not. And you know, I tell people that like you have to understand the position. I was it sounds awful. It really had sounds. It. Sounds. I don't know who helped you through that. Nobody can really help you. That's the hardest part. You know? I always try to always lend my year two guys that just wanna talk sometimes because it's nothing I can do it. Just gives stuff off your chest. Because our know how much stuff I held up. My daughter came to me. Why? So sad today. Damn I'm really I thought I was kind of you know, putting on a good face today. And I mean, you know, I dealt with that for about two years then life happens now, I'm in life. I'm not an accord. Knee more. I get yanked from that. Oh, yeah. You gotta talk to these lawyers got talked to these doctors a got talked to the team in you can't play basketball. You gotta do this. And then my twins were born. I got five kids now. Things in the house break, you realize that home like. Just break. They'll get a big house. If you don't have to I have to get a lot of kids. Chris you have you had two of the biggest houses in the. I know three technically. All those lists. Yeah. You were on multiple times. Yeah. You know? And it's just like man now, you know, willing to Dylan and trying to figure out how do I even live as a person because this seems to be in jeopardy, and okay, I still wanna play gonna do. That is crazy. It was just crazy. Have you arrived in a place that has some tranquility and healing now as you dabble in things close to basketball and outside of Basque. Yes, it used to hurt to watch basketball. It hurt me. You know? I couldn't do it. I couldn't watch it. I would be I was just be the pissed off. Oh, dude old young guy. Who cares? Embittered old man other beer, last basketball's, not as great as back in my. Yeah. It's only twelve best year in basketball this stuff. Now, you know, I didn't wanna be that guy. But I was you couldn't watch it all these different things seem to be happening. Just seem that I was getting treated fairly. You know, you go through the y me stage that life was treating. Yeah. You know, you just feel like you're getting punched and things I can't talk about, but, you know, just dealing with life, man. And you know, it just seemed to be everything was happening at the same time. So I kind of had a crash course in school hard notch. But it is what it is. And you have to go through those things. And then for me it put me in a realization. I have more empathy and sympathy for guys who have had to stop playing before and had to retire. Like people don't understand people say, how could you go broke? And all these things like hunkered, you devote man, you dealing with yourself. And if you're just an old fart. Nobody cares about that. Nobody wants to be around, and it just naturally you creating a cycle. That you cannot get out of eventually, you know, what I mean in that's tough years, his longtime to very large, and like, I said your uniquely qualified I with I was smart, man. It's not even just that your love of fatherhood, your general perspective. You're not you're not myopic. You. Yeah. So like, but still roll out of bed just mad at the world. And it's unfair to my wife. It was unfair to my children. You know, not that. I was the mad dad, but it's totally understand. But I was just like they shouldn't even have to look at me and worry about me because they think you know, or they feel or they're looking at it like, oh something's wrong at you. But I would just some days you just wake up, and I mean, I'd never had more like that. You know? I'm just mad today. Just I just got up usually I'm too busy to be mad. I woke up anger. Yeah. I can be at least pissed off skins some shots up. You know? And I forget about it. But that's away. That thing that that I had that goal. That's you have the chase. I don't want to get into any sensitive subject matter with you. So please push me off of anything here. But you are going through multiple things that time, and it melt like the world was sort of coming in on you because it wasn't just that that by itself would have been enough at other stuff right at we don't have to discuss here. That was also weighing on. Yes. Lutely absolutely things that happen. And you know, I'm lucky to have such a woman in my corner, you know, Craig kids because they helped me through these things, but you know, life happens, and and yet can't get into those things. But I'm sure we all have our things that we can't get into. What about the things you can't end get into will? Now, I'm into him because I'm not playing basketball, and I'm like, wait a minute. Would know you know, what's going on? But you have to deal with these things and his life. You have to be a man. Yeah. There's pressure with that. I have children they go to school after you know, bills to pay. I have to what am I gonna do? What the hell am I going to do as a good one? And you know, both of those the follow up. One of my second question is what the hell am I? Or I don't know. What to do? You just have to go to I guess, and it was just kind of you reach a point where it's like. All right. I threw a pity party. And I was only one invited for two years every weekend. Okay. Yeah. Even my wife came, and she didn't even have to be there. But she's like, okay, I'll come to your party. But I'm not coming next. You gotta go by yourself because I'm no date. No. Yes. Parties supported me tremendously. But some days it's like, hey, not. Yeah. Enough, and she helped me through it. And eventually, you know, I got to the point where I could watch basketball again. And last year, the the NBA all-star game was in LA, and I was in LA at the time. So I got a chance to reconnect with the game. And even before that I went to see the play in Mexico City me and Pat sat down had lunch pretty much. The league hall was like, you know. Hey, chris. How's it going? Think you impact can sit down, and you know. Yeah. Sure man -absolutely, and you know, me past that. And we even talk about the past. We just talked about like family and moving forward and tough life is man 'cause it's tough. And you know, he gets it. Then from then on I saw the guys and just went to the game and went to the all star game and saw faces and reconnected, and I constantly made the decision to start being more enthusiastic about my situation. I didn't know what's been discussed in terms of the tension between you and Pat is that a public thing. Or is that a private thing is not even a public or private thing is business? They're a team. They have salary caps and a CB to worry about and championships to win a future or try to compete for and try to build another team. I have my wants in that I wanted to play basketball at the time and that was really hit. The outside can get kinda noisy. Sometimes. But that's what it was. And a lot of people advising you to play basketball. Right. Like at that point. You're still in denial about I didn't need vice. I know what I want. I know what I'm gonna do. And you know, anybody would do that. Because all of a sudden has just gone. Like, no is not. No. And and you've always been someone who has overcome whatever the. Yeah. Absolutely. Just another thing. This is just another thing overcome. I know it it looks like, but I'm not I'm in the matrix. My brother, you know, what I mean, I took that pill a long time ago. This is just all of here my mind, I tried and I and I have to while it just. I say man, you know, what am I going to do and everybody from the outside looking in guys say well menu accomplish so much and you everyone else to sit. Right. And I'm like, no, no, no. You don't understand see this was not a part of the plan. I have more in store. I need the fluff. Those numbers up I need twenty points and ten thousand rebounds. And two thousand blocks you don't get it. And I think I can you know, muster up, and you know, you see the contracts that these guys are getting now I said, oh, yeah. I can hit him one more time. Oh, yeah. You're on more. My stock just went up. Yeah. Yeah. And if I have to move if Miami's like I'll be like, hey, I get it. I wouldn't pay me to see the, but I'm taking it. I was definitely looking because I was supposed to be a free agent this summer. I would have been in the twenty nineteen. Yes, she would have been on. I mean teams with max contract openings, very volatile situation. I'm all for Whiteside. Got a max deal on now. I don't know. No, absolutely not. But but you're about my man, I don't even want the max just give me, you know, twenty right? I'll take a pay cut. Well, how did that happen? And I want to just tell the audience as I thank you that there are very few professional athletes like this that are this giving of the inside stuff. They're very few that do it that way. I don't know whether you think of yourself as unique or not, but you're unique in my experience. Thank you. I'm not the first person to tell you. No. I mean people. Yeah. People told me, I mean, I think it's weird. Don't give me credit for just saying, I suck tonight. I don't want credit for that. You know, true. We're all watching the same game. Did you see me last night? Terrible people. Look at me crazy. Like, hey. But I got one more game. You know, it's all on the line. Now, I'll tell the quick story. I remember against Indiana in the back to back here. I couldn't is like I just couldn't I don't know. I couldn't even describe it to you. I prepared. I was ready, but every game that they were just like a rubik's cube to solve every damn Hibbert that damn hair if I would have had the mindset have been of a mentality now to just shoot three's. Oh shit. What do you mean, you wanna shoot three you would've? Just drawn him out. I'm gonna shoot forty percent from three until you some out here and Brian go to work until it in like that one. That's what I would have done. But I don't know, you know, go Roddy sound. That's what I say. When I make. That's the you know, the men. Realize? Realize I talk a lot people don't when I start talking people looking talking amazing. I got into a huge argument with people at the heat who were bothered by LeBron James doing these running hooks practice again because of all Hibbard this orientations, I got into a huge argument with Stephen Smith. This a true story. It's one of the most embarrassing memories of my public gas bag life in which I argued Sifford that if you were starting team tomorrow to defend LeBron James that the one guy you would need is ROY Hibbert, he countered with Tim Duncan, and I called him a fool. Was on. He's like, what are you talking about your crazy person? But Hibbert made you guys crazy. He did. And you know, the NBA heading vault to this. So the thought process was kinda there but the game heading Volve. We hadn't broke the seal like that was like, okay, just shoot a bunch of threes until they come out to you know, we had tinkered with it a little bit. But it wasn't. It was certain things that still had not been discovered and really really pushed for yet with the game. And at the time, I was our team that was the motto of our team we were more of a ground and pound team smashmouth team, and they were smashed mouth to we're just faster. I get distracted because we were talking always. Those four years. No. But how you climbed out of it took two years. And now, you're in a more tranquil place. And you're you're more at peace with some of the things that have happened. How how did you arrive? There man's being cited and kind of understanding I had a conversation with a friend. I said, but you know, just an end the way is pose any said never does. It never does. What do you want me to tell you? It never ends the way you wanted to in. Would you use a championship? And then retire never happens. Name a couple of guys that do it. I couldn't name name. Dave ranasinghe. Couldn't anybody else. Maybe Ron Harper. But I think he probably came back Jordan came back. Then he got swindled out the deal. You know what I mean? So that was kind of once like, okay, having Jordan damn this eventually is the ceiling as an athlete that you this is what you have to confront. There's no way around until but you came to that. Conclusion wear and how like after years Gordon Hayward dislocated his ankle. That's when I kinda was like, you know, that kind of I tell people that took the wind out of my sale. And then it took me a few more months as I. This probably isn't going to happen. But then I kept going because you saw Gordon Hayward. And you're like if that happens to me superstar he's starring look at his ankle his ankle was out of his socket. And I'll that was my first time watching basketball in a while say yo let me get connected back with the game. I five minutes. Five minutes of me, saying let me get back into let me get my mind in this guy didn't watch any basketball last year to mad of still working out still in shape. But I need to watch the game. I need to know what's going on in the league. And within the first five minutes his ankle was out of his body. And I'm watching it on live TV, my friend was like, nah is cool, man. That was never sneaker came off. Like, no, it was not that was that was not his sneaker that kiss came off his ankles still in it. An hour. Just like, oh, man. I didn't have the same enthusiasm in those workouts after that. And I kept that out for Danner year. You know, so I felt myself just keeping up with the Joneses. And I'm like, you're not being true and genuine. I'm people's like. Yeah. You coming back. I'm like, I'm coming back. I'm coming back. And I that was mine tent, but I didn't have that same aumf behind it. And I and I just felt like, oh, no, man. This isn't this isn't true to myself. What I say who I say that I am. So you know, I start thinking more and more. And then I just made a decision. My kids are home. I'm home kids and those things are more important, but you don't wanna be home all the time. Doing enthusiasm combs to say. Okay. Now motivated to find out what that next thing is. You know, did it for me. Kobe won an Oscar that kinda was like damn, dude. 'cause I don't but you've done some production. Come. Make media. Absolutely. And I love it. And that's pretty much what I'm doing on producing music and doing things that I love producing film, and directing film and writing and and all these cool things getting better at that. But I was talking to Coby we ha we had dinner one time. And he was telling me, all yeah. Yeah. You know, talking about the Oscar students nuts. Kobe is crazy. I know he got eighty one on. But. He's crazy. He's he's going to get an Oscar. And then you watch them go across. It's like oh man to but when he made his points than breaking down. What was happening and what he was going for. I say, yeah. Okay. I couldn't refute. It you. I couldn't say that wasn't a good idea. But then it's like the cynical part is like, oh, but that'll be fulfilling to you. You've got a your creative type. Yeah. You're attracted having that thing to shoot for. You know what I mean? And you know, I don't know anybody else that can do to jerseys at the same time. Like, I said, okay. Yeah. He's the bad to walk in the planet right now, he do to jerseys at the same time. Then then it was so funny. I'm watching my kids in care. I'm watching the ceremonies retirement ceremony jersey ceremony. I'm just I'm standing up washing it. I'm like, this is amazing. This is history. My kids coming in. Hey, son. Come here. Watch this like, yeah. Whatever it walk right back out. But my little son Lennox he came to me, and we watched it. I said man, he's he's the best. Laker of all time soon as I thought that magic the best Laker of all time. Like if magic set it. It is true is done few months later. He's got an Oscar in his hands and doing an acceptance speech. So that kind of fire me up because I know it's possible. So just like, you know, as an athlete you try to keep us in a boxing commentator coast. Cool things amazing amazing things now that is that would be limiting. There's other things to do. And I'm like, oh that I was already pretty confident. But that when I said, oh, you can't tell me it's not real now. People can't tell you. But you've been wanting doesn't intend you were you had a film crew with you. Right. Weren't you? Aren't you doing a documentary? Where is that? Like I wanted that talking is going to be a great thirty for thirty flicks would probably want something there. You know is funny. So we were filming that, and you know, you get into the real film world. I have people that I really respect that helped me out. And I say, yeah, man, all his great guys footage amazing free agency process. Wonderful. I got ninety hours. Do you have more? No, I don't have any more. That's it. All right. Go ahead and put this to the side. And maybe one day. I thought I was cool and everybody was going to say, yes. Hours thousands of hours. And it's like, what are we doing a story with the story? Like, I don't have stories. This me cooling. That's not cool enough. Now, it's not I need more word back store. No, I don't have. None of that. It was just me being cool at the restaurant. But I mean is there still have the footage? All right. If it gets made at some no it's going to it's going to have a bull. Just coming out. What this year is the twenty two. It's it's going to be a whole thing on Jordan right ten part series. I can't wait. I know that day is coming when day, and I'm a have a have you're gonna have your ninety hour, and I have my level. But I gotta be maxed out don't even. 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Hour 1: Bat Flips

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 1: Bat Flips

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? DC's the Dan lebatardshow with Stu got spot Cass. We have a very uncomfortable tension and have had one around years since we got to ESPN between us and management, and I don't like what's happening around. Here. There's division everywhere. I don't even know if Roy's leaving right now because he's fed up or a ROY and Billy ROY and Billy are not down with what Michael and Christopher down with someone's going to walk out of that door and never come back down you at this point. But there is a real tension. Thank you a mean for sitting in because at any point today can walk out of here. 'cause they're we're having arguments in the hallway about stuff, Billy is very frustrated. He hasn't been able to get his shots off the last couple of days because corporate Michael is doing nothing but advertising and selling out at every turn a billions lost his best friend. Chris who has come over literally to Christopher. Literally come over to the side of my right hand. And Michael, and Michael is insisting I talk about NBA playoff alliances for the audience setting up who you are who you're co is and start nailing the topics du jour also what time yes, what time station are people listening to well, a lot of a lot of different stations. What network are you on ESPN radio Atta boy, a main helped me with something here though, as I'm contractually obligated to talk about this thing that we've partnered with the NBA on called the playoffs. Sarid dudley. I ended up feeling bad for last night. Because and you love Jared Dudley. Jared Dudley is at the tail end of his career. Jared Dudley has done a lot with a little Jared Dudley has evolved into a player who's got more range, and it's been for a long time. Now, he's been a classy guy in the NBA who you're going to be hearing a lot from after he retires because he's going to get into broadcasting because he's good at it. But good Lord. Ben Simmons dismantled him yesterday and dismantled him in a way that just he announced after the game. My feud with Dudley is over and in announcing it it was horribly redundant because we saw the feud end it's doubly taken a wide open three and missing it. And Ben Simmons having the playoff game of his career with Joel Embiid out. Yeah, it's funny because it's not like Dudley said he stinks run better than him or anything like that. It's he actually did what a lot of people were praising Kevin Durant for doing before which was given an incredibly detail. Eld description of the scouting report on a certain player. And I think if you ask most players in the NBA that's the scouting report on Ben Simmons now Benson is had a hell of a game. And we know that a lot of Ben Simmons ineffectiveness beyond his inability shoot is him being seemed to be terrified to shoot or one in hot potato when he didn't do it last night. And that's what he looked like Maine. I'm telling you having watched Ben Simmons just warm up before a game. I'm startled that the ball comes out of his hand left hand the way that it does because he can't shoot. Like, he he's sitting there taking threes and missing all of them because the the ball comes out fun. I don't know how raise your Rondo felt like one of the first to do this and even raise on Rondo had more range than Simmons. I don't know how you play that game. Without how you dominate an NBA playoff game without being able to shoot because that dude can't shoot being six ten and having the ability to handle the ball the way he does certainly helps assure gets into the paint gets them. To places where he could hit shots. But it is insane to have a lawyer this good who cannot shoot a jumper. But is is what I mean is saying though, too because I must have watched him miss twenty straight shots from out there. I mean, and it's not only that it's the ball coming out of his hand wrong. He doesn't want people to see him shooting the three because when he's shooting it before the game that is not something that looks like a professional jump shot. Yeah. And there's been people speculated, maybe he's right handed Tristan. Thompson was a guy who looked terrible shooting out of his natural left hand. And and the Cavs eventually we'll try to write in and I'm not saying he Steph curry now. But it looks a lot more natural. And he's been a lot more successful. I just don't understand dominating an NBA playoff game without being able to shoot it's crazy, but you felt bad for Jared Dudley. I mean, I did because he's a good. He's a good. He's somebody that I root for right? And then I saw him dismantled by a player who's just better than him. And. Whenever that happens. Whenever in this particular jungle, the aged get tracked down by younger legs and sharper teeth to me, the mortality of Jared Dudley. That must be very lonely feeling to get dismantled by a player that much younger than you. Then I'm really good friends with Jared Dudley. There was no age where he wasn't gonna get dismantle last night. That was an aide that was talented dismantled him. Here's a question. Do you feel the same way about Patrick Beverley who similarly got destroyed by a superstar decided enough of this? Yes, I do you guys. Not feel the humanity in that you guys not agree with the assessment that when you see a guy embarrassed because he can't reach the level of another guy. You don't feel for him. Because you simply no it's like, Kevin Durant told you. He put words on it. I'm not Patrick Beverley, and then proved it whereas Patrick Beverley can't prove to Kevin Durant anything yet. But I could go without Jared Dudley. Critiquing anyone's game. I mean, that's that's where I was leading to with why you fell. Badly for him. I don't he's better than you. Don't critique his gate. That's not what Dudley was doing. Let me ask you guys this question because we played that. Kevin Durant sound of him dismissing Patrick Beverley and Amine was confused specifically by why that got so much applause on the internet, and it wasn't for the tone or the cockiness because that's rarely applauded by the masses. It's because he gave a detailed breakdown of basketball that sounded smart to people, but was really elementary. And it just tells you we don't know what we're watching. Because if we're impressed by Kevin Durant. What are you doing Mike you're setting up sound right now setting the audience doesn't listen the way that you think that they do they don't obsess listen in increments at a time. So if you're you're referencing that Kevin Durant sound for the audience you should replace head. Kevin durant? Also, a must win for the nets. The ball must bus. You know, I got a pest Patrick Beverley who was up on the Neath me well, academically shoot over top score every time there's a one on one situation. But we gotta got dropping and help. And then we got another guy. That's sitting on the way from you to joke with basketball, put the basketball and the floor. I can you know, I could probably make forty three percent of my shots shooting like that. But that's not really going to do. Nothing the outcome of the game. You know, because we got a nice floor by touching wrap. Everybody shooting scoring. So I'm not gonna I'm not going to get in the way of the game. Because you know, I wanna have a little back and forth with Patrick Beverley. I'm Kevin Durant. No. Yes, we do. We know who you are any showed it last night. If you're just joining us he just towards she took all the shots. Nobody else on that team had more than eleven shots. He took all the shots, and he made most of them and in thirty minutes. He totally dismantled the clip. It was so element that I understood it. I thought about it yesterday. Well, explain to me. I mean, what was happening there? You are someone who when you're watching basketball, you understand everything you're seeing the links on the defense, the rotations all of that stuff. The the game plan the strategy. I don't think a lot of people are watching the game that way you explain to me why the the internet was so impressed by that. Kevin Durant sound the technical parts of it. Whether there's two things one is it's because he was talking right and Kevin Durant montor. This whole season has been to be moody to be selling into be very inexpressive when dealing with the media. And so yesterday, all of a sudden he starts talking. There's a huge part of it. I'm not going to discount the people just like, oh, he's finally. Saying something of substance, right? But the other part of it is I think a lot of people who just don't know what they're watching. And the idea that top locking is this thing. Oh, while he is amazing term top longings are very basic generic NBA temper. It's like yesterday when Steph Van Gundy talked about floppy action. I'm sure there are people who are listening like, whoa. Oh my gosh. Stand bringing the heavy coach knowledge and floppy action is something you literally learn on day one as an NBA player. Day one really literally day one when we when they when we draft them and bring them in and get get them. So again ready for for summer league. That's the first thing you teach him floppy. Did you guys notice yesterday students that Amine for some reason gave stand Van Gundy fired STAN Van Gundy, the Royal title of coach when speaking to him, I did you don't do that around. Here. We always talk to him as STAN and a main hit him with the respectful coach as in. I'm lesser than you coach me why so much respect for STAN Van Gundy. What are you doing there? That's me reverting back to my MBA ways. The guy's been a coat your call them coach. That's what we do is air Thomas. Use a coach aecom coach. Kevin Durant, though responded to critics signed with his performance. What did his performance prove? Oh, you think you'll resign with golden says why let's go to commercial stugatz here. Hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go or hiring is simple fast. And smart. A place where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates. 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Next to soaks due to sudden, although scurry off what's ugly fascinating about the dust bunny is that although they are not actually sectioned creatures when they have not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating this obvious to them you should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer. Oh, no. It's the dust bunnies. Only natural predator on the long dust on his run along Dr lebatardshow logo initiative, Michael has scored a major victory here as part of his selling out effort and our not selling out. It's our selling out selling it literally sold out. So don't tell me didn't sell out it sold out in two minutes that selling out what else is not selling out. Global expansion told New York. Hey, come drink, a shot was due got sold out to got spent this entire break saying, I need a few tickets. I'm going to scalp them. What's face on these tickets? Stugatz. All of us are looking around. Like, how did we sell out? What did we? Sell out. We don't know what it is. Exactly. I'm not even certain I could make. This is labor tar show with this to God's own ESPN radio over the years to God's we've been at this long enough that we have seen something funny. Happened to cheating steroid scandals. We talked about them so much in baseball for so long that you the audience totally ceased caring about these things like totally and what I'm about to read us to God's once upon a time. This would have been problematic, but something changed with medicine with science with news coverage something changed around steroids and Lance Armstrong falling or, you know, berry bonds being shrouded and steroids stuff, we got tired of all of it. So when Jerry Anneli of the new times is reporting that biogenesis founder, Tony Bosch. He's a convicted drug dealer founded a company. That has become yet another testosterone dispensing anti aging clinic an NFL star. Antonio Brown is filming a workout alongside a member of that new clinic. Does anyone care? I'm telling anyone anyone. I'm talking about those football care does. Is there anyone out there? Who cares that the best receiver in football by production is were an and whose success is a little inexplicable because he was drafted late write that fast or he's not he's not four three fast. I'm certain there's someone out there. That cares. I'm not certain who that person is. But for the most part. Yes, no one yawn at this point. It really is like no one cares about that though. Do you think he's the best receiver in football? Good question. Michael. So you say that nobody cares. But listen to this because tell me if we're in this place, I'd like to know if in two thousand nineteen where we've arrived with our arbitrary moralities is this particular place where you care more about what Danny canal cares about here. When he says the road on Twitter the road, we're headed down by encouraging bat, flips is followed by pitchers fist pumping and acting fool after every strikeout then we've got everyone jumping around like idiots in the third inning who wants to see that it. Yes, or no backflips or something that people care about more than cheating and steroids. One hundred percent. Oh, I mean, that's just where we've arrived. Explain to me how. How was that the place where we are first off the only sport we really cared about. It was in baseball. That's where people really care because the records were so sacred. But it's been so fangled since then that no one really, so no one cares about it in the NFL. Don't think anyone cares about the NBA. They get about baseball and mostly the media cared about baseball. And now that that is long past us. It just seems like no one cares about it. I think people expect they they probably expect guys in the NFL to do stuff. Like that. They do what do you think? Fangled means. I have no idea. You mean I met mangled? Yeah. I don't even know what I meant. But I know I felt it when it came out what I was saying was incorrect, at least I felt it, you know. I mean, what's the baby step over? What do you think? Fangled means. Do you think I've said newfangled before I think I've said that I don't know in what context I don't know what I was doing. But he's being newfangled than just became fangled, mango. I don't know. I got it was it was bad bad work based on a misinterpretation of newfangled as fashionable. There you go. I mean, it's been all fangled up. Is there such a thing as fangled if something is new it is does fangled ever appear. Put it on the poll. Guillermo does fangled ever appeared with appear without its friend new in front of it. Because I've never heard someone use the word fangled. It's a good poll. Also is in Tonio Brown the best receiver and foot. Also, do you think the Browns are getting too much hype Lau? So can hell wants to do away with that flips. Yes, any canal because of course, if you allow a guide to flip about what you will get then is uncomfortable energy where again again, then he can say does it baseball in the, you know, a road we're heading down by encouraging bad flips followed by pitchers fist pumping and acting full after every strike, then we've got everyone jumping around like idiots in the third inning. Who wants to see that? I feel like we all do we want everyone to. But Danny canal know, anyone anyone who thinks like Danny Kanell does. And Danny was always, you know, what needs to be protected more than anything else. It's not personality sportsmanship, right? Yeah. Sportsmanship must be protected as keep in mind. We don't care about cheated just know. All right. Just no we have to protect or tes manship at. All costs. But it's okay. That in Tonio Brown is running around with a convicted drug dealer convicted of giving anti-aging stuff and performance enhancers to kid. They would stand to reason though that if canal cares about bath flips he probably cares about that as well. I mean, I just it would stand to reason. Right. I don't know. I don't see him tweeting about Antonio Brown. You know, working out with people who are suspicious donlevatar look at global initiative. Mike taking a victory lap in the mails. All around the building look at him as relation. Can you do? Two minutes. Stu gods? Mr. Williamson is name is actually norby. That's a real thing. Norby DC's live at our show with to God's on ESPN radio. So stugotz is very excited today because one of his favorite things in sports happened last night with the golden city that warrior when the champions remind you. Yeah. It happened last night. Lebron has been known to do this. He did this. If you times when they had the big three two champions do this. When you think you're close in the clippers certainly thought they were closed. We're feeling pretty good about themselves. One one coming home to Staples Center, Beverly Patrick Beverley, certainly felt good about himself. I love what a championship team remind you. Hey, you think this thing is close? It's not well they can play with some of the formulas right because they decided last night. Hey, Durant's gonna go ahead and eat and no one else is going to eat. It's going to be Kevin Durant is going to eat because he can. And that's not even the best version of them. The best version of them is when Steph Kenny. And then Kevin Durant will get you all the shots late that you need because nobody can guard him. So anything you need late. He can get you because they got two guys running around or better than most one guys that any other team has. So to me, what's interesting about them to got you agree. Right. I think everyone would agree. Their best is better than anyone else's best. But this is the least good they've been in the last four years is it not maybe dirt. Yes. I mean during the regular season excess. I know I know that roster is is a great question. Who is that behind you who listen, let's her day on a sector. I have no idea people. Stop for a second. I have to stop for a second and forgive forgive this audience because more and more ESPN executives keep flying down. Here. We we work in a closet in a closet over a bar and more every time. I walk out of the studio there's another person with a tie who looks exactly like all the other people. In a tie. And now there's someone sitting behind you, Mike. I don't know who that person is. It's Michael who is the person behind you mcdonagh. He's our business strategist. To show up. So as our overhead. On a business. He's awfully Brown for being a mcdonagh. Gotta watch compliance video. I've been on you about that. I mean, help me understand something here because the rockets are playing better than the warriors. The rockets have been playing better than the warriors for the last six weeks. The rockets were historically bad from three and a game seven or would have beaten and without Chris Paul when seven for forty four from three. So they were a historic team last year that could very easily beaten abetter warriors team than the one we've seen this season. Is anyone disagreeing with the idea that while the warriors best remains the best in the league? The Houston Rockets are playing better basketball over the last two months. I don't know if it's by leaps and bounds. But they're simply playing better basketball than the Golden State Warriors last two months don't matter. It's when they face each other. That's all that matters. And I think we'll see the warriors will see that game that you're talking about very game when they play the Houston Rockets. No, I don't think anyone disagrees with what you're saying. Then the rockets have been playing very well. But the idea is they're playing at or as close to capacity as he can get and we look at the warriors. And we see oh there they're levels to this. They can go v six seven years that we haven't seen it. But that send an I understand the three basketball history. You don't lose game sevens on your home floor. But the closest the warriors have been the last four years to extent extinction were when they were playing Kevin Durant and down three one and Klay Thompson had to hit third quarter shots from half court in order for them to advance. And then last year they've gotten rid of all the players who missed all those threes in that game seven a Reza all those guys are gone. The guys who who went seven for forty four from three historically bad three point performance in game seven, which is exactly when you're marginal players shrink. Actually, then the closest they came the extinction was when they lost game seven th and a cat. Okay. Actually tear enough. That is. Came to extinction without being extinct writer enough. But also if you look at that game seven for the rockets going in did anyone have questions about the shooting capabilities of originals other guys it wasn't a question until they miss those threes. So if you're saying well that was last year this year, they got rid of all those guys. So you're telling me that Austin rivers, and these guys are the ones who are definitely going to make sure I'm telling you that James harden is playing better now. Yes than they were playing authencity last year. Even though they were historically good offensively last year. And now they're playing that top five defense that got them to that game. Seven of those guys are still there though. I mean there Gordon James harden combined to go four twenty five from three in that game seven. We've identified as the rockets is the biggest threat to the Golden State Warriors. Have we have we had them have? We what are we doing? There is no legitimate threat to the Golden State Warriors. You're going to do that again. No. I'm talking about literally. What are we doing here? Yeah. I I was following you. I agree building. TESL legit question of sport. A man. Yeah. In fact, I know is our guys understand. But coming off of our two minute sell out at the Gramercy theatre in New York. My right hand, man. Christopher is actually brought a graph thinking mcdonagh for preparing this. Okay. Right here as you can hear is global in this chart, you see that little sliver right there in the pie chart that was our global expansion before the initiative and now Christopher that's global expansion now after the initiative all black. That mean, we've taken over the world or. AM radio the future of AM radio is ours. We can do whatever we want with it. I do feel like we've totally lost. Billy, though, Billy, you you haven't said much of anything for the last two days us, not just confused. These also soaking as an added bonus. I'm not sulking. I'm sad for what we've become. Please elaborate. I mean, I think we all know what's going on here. You care to expound or do you want to just pretending that we didn't sell, but we've totally sold. I mean, we used to be self deprecating our self congratulatory, and it's a sad. Turn that we've taken. We are Mike francesa did. We absolutely did sell out the Gramercy theatre in two minutes. W e no, it's Chee, Billy. I haven't heard enough from you on this subject. Please continue please elaborate voice of the complaining fan. There's no left and they left. They all there's no more voices. Must be five hundred fans that are very passionate. Stugatz on ESPN, Billy. You'd think we've lost all our fans because they've been complaining about the last four days. I think we're going to live hundred sponsored comps at the event. We're going to be performing for for executive. I'm happy you mentioned the sponsors because this is all brought to you by T. So who's the official watch sponsor of the NBA and ZipRecruiter ZipRecruiter. It's the smartest way to hire. What are you going to do about it, though, Billy are you just going to solve just writing the car hoping that I survived the crash to be honest with you put my seatbelt on. Hopefully, I don't get injured O'day car a luxury sports car. You're welcome. I mean, the audience is very upset with us. I know I know you're you got satisfied drive in that fuel efficient midsize sedan, but we're going to bigger and better places. I'm talking leather interiors. But I think they were fine with one sell out on the show and out appears that we're all selling out together. One segment show. Maybe. What have you been most disappointed by Billy disappointed by the time? Moves so slow. I guess donlevatar Mike Ryan. Or is this Michael Ryan's, Michael? Stugatz. Your Michael now. Yeah, he's my you've heard this part of the he's gone big time on global expansion initi