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The Bill Simmons Podcast
"tommy morrison" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"So were you surprised that this was the outcome? Cause I've seen you a few times in person. We've talked a bunch of times and, uh, especially Vince decides to sell the company. Vince leaves the company. Vince comes back dealing with the whole bunch of stuff behind the scenes that we don't need to get into. But then he is basically puts the company for sale. We don't know where it's going. Everybody thinks it's going to be, you know, uh, maybe it's a TV network. Maybe endeavor will buy it. Um, maybe like the Saudis will come in over the top rope. I don't know where it was some crazy offer. Maybe it'll be some crazy hedge fund because everyone wants content. And instead, instead he ends up kind of combining forces with this other, you know, similar company in a lot of ways. Did you ever think that was possible? Like when, when, when did you think that could first maybe happen? So Vince came back in early January of this year, 2023. Uh, and he and I had a conversation where I asked him at the time it was a private conversation. He's certainly comfortable with me sharing the contents of it. I said, Hey, give it to me straight. Are you looking to transact or is this sort of a side door back into your company? And he said, no, I'm looking to transact. If there are real offers there for market value of the company, we're going to do a deal. We engaged in a fulsome process, uh, with rain as Vince's banker, uh, and the company called Mullis as WWE's banker. We wanted to maintain church at state or again, the controlling shareholder at a point of view and the company had a point of view. So we engaged in the process. It was robust. There were multiple offers. And at the end of the day, Vince gets to decide again as a controlling shareholder. It just so happened to be that Vince and WWE both felt that this was the best transaction for the shareholders and for the longevity of the company. And boom, here we are. And you felt that way too? I did. How much of it had to do with Vince gets to stay in the action with a deal like this versus there might've been some other deals on the table where the company gets bought and new people get put in? I don't think that was a deciding factor in this. I think Vince approached it as, hey, I want to make sure every shareholder is treated the same way I, Vincent treated. And it was the endeavor folks who asked him to stay in once the process was well underway and bids were already in and all of those things. So it already felt like it was going this way again, once multiple bids were in and they made the gracious offer. And he accepted that position as the executive chairman of the new company. How would you describe this whole partnership from the endeavor standpoint? So you have endeavors here. You have UFC and everybody there. And then you have you guys, WWE here. There's going to be situations where somebody is going to have to make a call, right? There's going to be big picture stuff on blank. So who makes the call is ultimately like, who's the dad in the house? Is it endeavor? Who is it? Well, it's not me in case you were wondering that. I'm not suggesting you are. So let me tell you how it's, go ahead. What were you going to say? No, I just couldn't figure out. Ultimately, anytime there's like a committee, you and I have talked about this probably offline a few times when things are done by a committee, when things are done with eight or nine people instead of just one or two, sometimes that can get dicey. And in this case, I can't tell if it's a committee or if it's three people like, what is it? So by the way, you and I have discussed for pregame shows when we would see eight, nine people sitting on a set that'll never work. We discussed, if you recall, after the SEC did their big deal with Disney, which will come into effect in a couple of years. And we saw the Pac-12, Big 12, Big 10. Hey, we're all going to join forces here. You and I were both like, good luck to them in terms of who ends up carrying the short end of the stick there clearly the Pac-12. So on this one, I think WWE decisions ultimately made by WWE, UFC decisions by UFC, Ari's the CEO, Ari Emanuel, Vince is the chairman of the board. So I don't see decisions hurting one company that helped the other. I'll give you an example. We're going through the 2024 UFC pay-per-view calendar and WWE premium live event calendar. As you know, we call our events premium live events because there's no upcharge in the United States on them. But in essence, they're what the pay-per-views were. So WWE's position is, hey, WrestleMania is our Super Bowl. These are the dates that we have scheduled. We prefer obviously that UFC not go up against that UFC says, yeah, of course we're not going to go up against that. And then we say, all right, what dates are important to you? Where are you going from? Ideally what we like, especially in my opinion, if you look at the international expansion of WWE's premium live events and look at the UFC's already expansion, even the show this past Saturday night from Australia, you know, you could see a lot of events that, hey, WWE is going at 3 p.m. Eastern from an international location. UFC is going at eight or nine Eastern domestically or the opposite of that. Like a mega day. That's what we like that too, because you have two gates, you have two separate merchandises. In theory, if you can get a government subsidy for the international show or the domestic show, you have subsidies and then boom, both events are right there. But by planning it in advance, I don't believe that we'll trip over each other in any way. So you're saying like UFC could be in London at 10 a.m. in the morning Pacific time, and then you guys are having a live pay-per-view of five o'clock and you're just like, we're blowing it out. Today is the next day, whatever it is. Interesting. What surprised you as you got to learn more about the UFC's business that you didn't know? Well, I've known Dana for a while and I've known a number of folks there, Craig Borsari, who I mentioned earlier, Hunter Campbell for a while. They always, and I think this surprises people who don't necessarily know them or know the WWE folks, they all act with humility. And it's sort of like, hey, we put in a lot of work to build this juggernaut, but we want to get better. And I think that's always been the mentality of WWE, rather than WWE saying, hey, we're WWE. We're the best in sports entertainment. UFC saying, hey, we're UFC. We dominate combat sports. It's not that way. It's been quite polite. It's been productive. And assume there are moments down the road, not every relationship is polite all the time, as you know. But I do think the relationship's productive all the time. The goal is to make TKO a better enterprise, the shareholders, the stock price, and the stockholders, which include a lot of the executives. All right, I have to ask this. Please. You love boxing. We've had a lot of boxing conversations over the years. Boxing's all over the place. As usual, there's a million different belts. There's a bunch of different people. There's all these different promoters. You have the UFC piece, the dominant one. You have the WWE piece, the dominant one. Why wouldn't there eventually be a boxing piece under this TKO thing, which is named TKO, which, by the way, is originally a boxing term. So is boxing next? How about you turned your back on boxing and you didn't go to Crawford Spence? No, that's not true. I was on vacation. I should have gone to Crawford Spence, though. And then you and your son went to the UFC fight a week or two prior or something to that effect. We did. Well, that was because that's what he wanted to do, and he now runs my life. Because, as you know, when we get old, these are the people who are going to be taking care of us, or these people who might remember every grudge. Like, don't think that doesn't hang over my head all the time now. No, listen, my kids are a little younger than yours, but I'm already feeling that. It's like, if these guys check out on me, it's probably a reflection more of me than it is them. Totally. You know, we can't have that. So look, in terms of boxing, we'll see. We'll see what the future brings. You're giving me the we'll see answer? We don't know yet. This is new. We're just up and running as of today. We've got to focus on synergies, you know, reducing costs and making more money, and then we'll see if expansion is in the cards for us. But it's wide open boxing, just so you hear that clearly from me. And we love what some other folks are doing. We love what Logan Paul has done in the boxing space. We love what other folks have done in the boxing space. We love what Crawford's doing in terms of the dominant, you know, victory over Spence. But yeah, there's so much wrong with that sport and many of the other individual sports, Bill. The conversation you and I have had previously, 1984 and, you know, hoops obviously far, far better than I do. If I asked somebody in 1984, who are the most popular athletes in the country? There's some version of Bird, Magic, Carl Lewis, Mary Lou Retton, maybe Evander Holyfield, Evil Knievel, Sugar Ray Leonard, all the individual sports stars. But what happened was the leagues became the leagues and the individual sports outside of WWE and subsequently MMA with the UFC, they all stayed the same. To the point where if I said to you, who's the 100 meter champ right now? I don't know the answer to that question. So that's a sport that could be fixed in the individual sport. Boxing, who's the heavyweight champion? You and I both know, hey, it's basically Tyson Fury, but the other guy Usyk has three belts and all of this cast. That's a sport that can be fixed if you have the right people, you know, and process in place. The problem is people have been trying to fix boxing since as long as we've been alive. And then before that, and there's always been these big ideas. I remember the Don King one in the late 70s that ended up, where was it Bob Aaron? What was that heavyweight one? They ended up having the big corruption. That was great. It was Don King, ABC, with Bob Iger, the head of ABC Sports at the time. And Scott LeDoux, if you remember him, the heavyweight fighter Minnesota contender passed away a couple years ago. Scott LeDoux really won a fight, but wasn't given the decision and sort of stormed out of the ring. And it's my understanding that it was Bob Aaron who called Bob Iger to say, hey, just so you know, this is sort of a sham thing. Iger believed Aaron. Aaron was right. They canceled the tournament. Things went awry between ABC and Don King. But yes, you know, King did a lot for the sport. By the way, black man, tough sport to get into, tough sport to dominate, you know, had prior stuff in his life. He came and dominated it. There was also a ton of negative. Yes. There was a ton of negative with that, as you know. It feels like boxing has never been figured out correctly. And then you watch something like what the UFC has been able to do. Because there was a time with UFC when it didn't seem like it was going to totally work, that it wasn't going to be sustainable because they weren't going to be able to keep the stars. And Vince's whole mindset with this is the complete opposite. He's trying to create characters that he can have for 20, 25, 30 years, right? UFC, you're lucky to get a guy for seven years. So different mindset, but it just seems like it's much easier to regenerate stars with UFC. Right. One guy leaves, the next guy comes. I think there was a tipping point moment for the UFC where it tipped in their favor. And as you know, that's with all the hard work that they put into it. I think that was May of 2007. May of 2007 was Floyd Mayweather against Oscar De La Hoya. Big, big deal for boxing. It was also Rampage Jackson against Chuck Liddell. Right. I was going to say Liddell. Yeah. Yes. So I think what happened was because of the boxing pay-per-view did so well, the boxing folks were like, hey, we're here to stay. If you think back to that fight, Sports Illustrated, when it was still Sports Illustrated, its cover story was the fight to save boxing question mark. With De La Hoya up front, Floyd Mayweather in the background. The UFC just kept building and building and building. So all of a sudden you fast forward to 2016 when the Fertittas and Dana White sell to Endeavor. You got Ronda Rousey twice a year, Conor McGregor twice a year, Brock Lesnar twice a year, Jon Jones and Cormier presumably twice a year. Boom, you built an empire. The fight game, as you know, is amazing. Boxing is amazing. The problem is it's just not amazing often enough. And if you look at the UFC, they fixed that, in my opinion. Yeah. And then it just seems like every couple of months they get O'Malley knock somebody out in Boston. And now it's like, oh, now, now this guy's a star. Now we can have him headline a pay-per-view. And, you know, WWE, we've, we've talked in previous pods about how hard it is to build stars and keep stars in wrestling. And WWE for these things ebb and flow, it's a little like basketball. For whatever reason, the last couple of years, WWE is just crushing new stars. And out of nowhere, you get Sami Zayn and you get LA Knight and like just these people that become A-list dudes. And then there's other years you go back in time and you think like, man, that guy was in the second biggest SummerSlam event? Or, wow, that was the tag team match where it was just clearly they didn't have enough stars, but you guys are in the boom now. So UFC seems like it's more sustainable, but I would say this is one of the better WWE stretches right now for star power, right? Oh, thanks. Yeah. Look, we think so. I also think you mentioned LA Knight. I think what's proven in combat sports is the next one never looks like the last one. So you, you see folks, WWE included, you get a John Cena and part of the thought is, Oh, we just need to fight, find the next John Cena. There is no next John Cena. Right. The next one never looks like the last one. If you look at the UFC, same thing. So when you saw Conor McGregor, you know, who obviously a mega star in terms of marketability, and then the kid Darren Till came around and it was, Oh, Darren Till is going to be the next Conor McGregor. There's never going to be a next Conor McGregor. If you look at boxing, when everyone was looking for the next Muhammad Ali, it didn't look like Muhammad Ali. It looked like Sugar Ray Leonard. Whoever was looking for the next Ray Leonard didn't look like Ray Leonard. It looked like Mike Tyson. And then Oscar Floyd, Pacquiao, whatever that might've been. So I think sometimes one or an entity can become fixated on, Hey, this is our next so-and-so. I've never seen it work. LA Knight's the first LA Knight. And that's part of why we think that he's resonating. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. The Oscar Floyd, Pacquiao era, which was cool as it was happening. I don't look back at it nearly as fondly as I do, you know, the Leonard Haggar Hearns, like that whole stretch or what Ali had with the heavyweights or even like how weird the heavyweight division got in the early nineties when like, you know, Tyson popped in and then popped back in and Holyfield and Riddick Bowe. It just seemed like we were having awesome fights every couple of months. And it was, it just felt like it was back. I look back at those two thousands, especially then you throw the Klitschko's in and it's just like, ah, man, wasn't great. And then all of a sudden it came back again. By the way, Bill, I see it the same way. So, you know, I get, you know, when you're on TikTok or at least we all know TikTok is listening because every time I go on, there's like a WWE clip, a UFC clip, a boxing clip or like a dog chasing another dog. I don't know what that one is all about, but it's something like that. So if you look back to that era, you just talked about in boxing, everyone fought everyone and yeah, you can say, well, Riddick Bowe never fought Lennox Lewis. Well, yeah, Riddick Bowe fought Andrew Gulotta twice and he fought Holyfield three times and those are all wars and Holyfield fought everybody. Holyfield literally fought everybody. He would walk out of the parking lot to fight people. Totally. And then by the way, off to the side, oh, you got Lennox Lewis and Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer and all of these other guys. And you look at it with, as you said, Mayweather Pacquiao. Are you really thinking about Barrera, Morales from the early 2000s? I just don't think it resonated. One has to fight the other who has to fight the other and boxing hasn't done that or wasn't doing that at that time. Well, that's what I appreciated about Crawford Spence because Crawford beat the hell out of him. It was an old school, one sided, oh my God, these were supposed to be the two best and this isn't close. But I'll be interested to see how Spence responds. But the, the, the butt kicking that he took in that fight was why we had this 15 year stretch where nobody wanted to fight anybody because you couldn't risk that. Right. Your, your whole brand becomes, oh yeah, you're the guy who got crushed by Crawford. Now you're not, you know, you can't open a pay-per-view now. I don't recall seeing a 50-50 fight that was that one sided. Right. I'm sure it's there, but outside of that first round, I think Crawford won every second of every round. And I had not seen such a one sided fight in what was almost a 50-50 fight. Yeah. I don't recall it. So maybe not in decades. Yeah. It was like that Cowboys Giants game on Sunday. What, what, when like the WWE, when they have like this little star boom, like what they're having now, how much of it is just luck? How much of it is realizing that you need to give the, you know, the newer people or the up and comers like versus like just kind of trotting out the same people over and over again? Because I always feel like when WWE gets into trouble, it's like year 15 of this, like the famous one is Kane and Undertaker. I just don't know how many times you could have that, that match and they just had it and it just went on for 15 years. It seems like they're more willing to push newer people and newer faces and put, you know, the kind of, I don't want to say unproven, but semi-proven people in really big spots. And I don't think that they were necessarily doing that unless it was out of necessity, like during the CM Punk era, it kind of became out of necessity, Daniel Bryan, like some of those people. And then you go back to the late 90s, famously WCW is crushing them and they kind of have to give these dude chances. So what's the mindset now? How did it work this time? I think, and I lived through what I'm calling just for this conversation, the Dominik Mysterio build. Yeah. So when I started with WWE, which is now well over three years ago, height of COVID, Dominik young, you know, wrestler, obviously Rey's son was sort of seen as Rey's son, by the way, great kid, great young man, but it wasn't really working. I think that the patients that Vince and Paul Laveck, Triple H show with the talent, you saw it with Roman, where people were not buying him as the monster face, if you will. And then all of a sudden during COVID, he came back to the Florida facility when we were taping down there, came back as a heel and boom, Roman Reigns takes off. Dominik Mysterio as, Hey, I'm the good son of Rey Mysterio. That's not, it was great. They stuck with it. They again, Vince, Paul, the creative team, turn them into a heel. And all of a sudden it was amazing, amazing. You can't even hear him speak on the microphone because the boos are so loud and this is a kid who's in his early twenties. So if he stays healthy and the creative stays strong, he can go for a long period of time. And I think the, the sticking with it and giving people a shot to really be the best versions of themselves on the mic, LA Knight, Dominik Mysterio, just two off the top of my head, Jay Uso. Jay Uso is a good one. One of the Usos, you know, a mid card tag team, if you will. And then boom over the last year and a half or so just exploded with the bloodline storyline. Jay as a singles performer, Jimmy as a singles performer and Roman going to the next level with Paul Heyman, of course. I think sticking with what you think can work is probably a good plan. I would say the two biggest successes Vince had in this regard ever were Roman, which you mentioned. Because, you know, for whatever reason, it didn't hit, it didn't hit initially and people felt like it was being force fed. It didn't fit like the total prototype of what the WWE face, the WWE would be. And it was clear they needed to turn him heel, which with Cena, they never did. So they always dance that half of the crowd doesn't like him, half of the crowd does. And that became the gimmick. With Roman, it really seemed like something had happened. It seemed like Vince missed, but they stuck with it. And I would say he's the best guy since the Rock. And I know Cena was good and a lot of people had good runs, but for Mike's skills, physicality, the ability to work a crowd, that was a slow burn. I mean, that took like, I would say four or five years. Now he's like, I think one of the best people in the history of the company. But Rock was the other one because Rock completely failed when he came out, right? And they actually pulled this character and he disappeared and they rethought it. And then he comes back with the nation domination and then all of a sudden it took off. But the patience makes you wonder if they had shown patience with a couple other people. Was it just those two isolated incidents? But it does seem like they're getting that lesson better. Man, this stuff's like a stew. It could take months. I'm sure Triple H must be a big part of that, right? Because that was him. It took him a few years to hit too. Look, think about a couple of folks that you mentioned. When the Rock came in as Rocky Maivia, third generation wrestler, smiling with the tassels from his arms, booze throughout. Even worse than booze, no response. Yeah, that's the worst. The silence. The worst. The worst. And then all of a sudden, and I've heard this story from both individuals involved in the story separately, from Vince and from Dwayne Johnson. That Dwayne and Vince had a conversation at Madison Square Garden. Again, Rock was a face. And Rock said, let me go out, let me do my thing, let me sort of talk like I talk. And Vince said something to the effect of, do it. Go get him. And it was that night, the Rocky Sucks chants had already started and all that stuff, where he sort of lit it up and the Rock took fire. You saw it with Stone Cold. So we both remember Stunning Steve Austin, World Class Championship Wrestling, and then over to ECW. And it's sort of, by the way, the Hollywood Blondes with Brian Pillman. Think about that Hollywood Blondes from a guy who's clearly from Texas. Or at least you think when you're watching him clearly from the south, the Hollywood Blondes. And then he comes over as the ringmaster and you're like, what? This is Steve Austin as a ringmaster. It's not working. And then all of a sudden at that King of the Ring, the Jake Roberts match, you can say your Psalms, you can say this and that. Austin 316 says, I just kicked your ass. Boom. Skyrockets. So there tends to be that moment where all of a sudden it catches fire. And to your point with Roman, with the bloodline stuff, when he enters the venue, everyone sort of knows the champ is here. And he sort of perceived the way that they had built him to be perceived, and he's delivered all the goods on that. But yes, Paul's extremely patient with it. Vince is as well. As long as the person is sort of leaning in and wanting to get better, an extreme amount of patience. Like with any employer, if your young folks come to you and say, this is bullshit, I should be much bigger, you should be pushing me more. And you say, okay, what do you think we can do to make you bigger? I don't know. You should figure it out. That never works in any business. Yeah. But when someone's actually a good partner, it can work if they have the talent. And it has. The bloodline thing has been incredible.
The Corner
"tommy morrison" Discussed on The Corner
"You get an unlimited ceiling and it's like, the sky's the limit. You know, you go into these situations. Still going. It's still going. And when it comes to tank, it's different. Don't have the personality of a Floyd. He don't need that. He don't need that. Because tank got this. Yeah. He got this. And this is what, right now, what people want to see because it's like we rewind, it's like back in our day, just like, it was a guy named Mike Tyson. They came out to see. And it was because it was like, he was that guy. It was like, you get in there, you better not go get no pop on him, no soda. You know, because the fight might be over. And to kind of sum that part out, don't get up this weekend. Could this thing could be over in one, two, whatever. It could be over that early. I think nobody knows. My last question for you, because I talk about this, there's two things. One, I say everything is pro wrestling. Everything. Everything. To a certain degree, Floyd did pro wrestling. He did very well, by the way. I wonder who did that. Everything is pro wrestling. But I've always said that there is no country for a black fighter, like Mexican fighters of Mexico. Irish virus in Ireland, the UK, but black fighters don't really have a country that supports them. They've always looked for the great white hype and Tommy Morrison was such a big thing at one point, right? But Floyd was able to, you kind of talked about this, the pivot from pretty boy money May and how he figured out these motherfuckers need to pay to see me lose. And it ain't never gonna happen. So you're gonna keep me going back to coughing up your cash. Now you said that javonte doesn't need to do that, right? He doesn't need to necessarily do that because he does have dynamite in his hands and his undeniable. But what are the challenges and how can we break through with marketing black fighters in America? Because there is no just everybody's gonna go see knell because they love him. Mexico loves him. And he's always gonna have that base, but other than javonte, we mentioned Shakur, Devin, Terence Crawford, aerospace, they don't just have people that are just gonna come out and pay their money in droves just to see him. But tank has that. Why is it so difficult in this country to market a black fighter? Because where we are as a society and just call it what it is, it's like and I gotta get myself a little credit. They don't have linearly on their team in the Al hayman and the Floyd Mayweather on their team. You know what I mean? I'm just being honest. So tank is blessed with that right there. It's like, he has the best team in boxing. So it's like there's other challenges like you said, other challenges like, okay, what are the next steps? And again, we don't have to, we don't have to make 600 million in a fight, you know what I mean? Because the times are a little different. But if generated 200 million in a fight, is that a bad thing? I'm sleeping well. Yeah, you know what I mean? So there are a lot of challenges. But again, it's thinking outside the box and I know you're a big wrestling fan. And it's like, that was big to me. It was like, I figured that out. I mean, you know what I mean? It was like, yo, it's like, build some relationships, and then it's like, next thing I know, it's like, you're sitting in the room with the boss. And then it's like, yo, and it's like, we got a big check for just even going into that situation. And then it's like, Vince, we got the plane, and we doing marketing, and this city, on the big black plane. You know, and it's like, we ain't nobody done that. And it's like, he's like, yo, but we understood, you know, like, okay, with that meant, it's like went with dancing, I put him on dancing and it was like, I wanted to get a middle aged white women. You know, we lasted. Last 8 weeks. Standing and standing in that media role, every week on a Thursday, being exposed to all these entities that we never had access to in boxing. Yeah. We mastered that. Yo, 8 weeks. It's like access Hollywood, you know, all these different entities and it's like, you look up and voice here and it's like, they're just like, yo, okay. We do that. What next we got to do? These kids. Some phone calls. Yo, it's like, we're gonna do something. We're gonna do something with the WWE. Had that built a relationship with Vance next thing we know, we ain't WrestleMania. On the big stage on the big stage with big show, you know what I mean? Yo, and it's like till this day, it's like, that's my legacy. Like, yo, it's like, I'm just watching that just recently. It's like, yo, it's like, I was the manager. You know, but it's entertainment and it's like thinking outside the box. But it takes having smart people around you to understand and build relationships and it was never easy. It was never easy because, you know, we had to take a backseat to a lot of stuff, but once we got on top and see a lot of people have problems with, now it's like, look who's done the biggest stuff. Well, you got three black guys. Three black eyes. At the end of the day, who running this? Run it. You know what I mean? And it's like, a lot of people don't like that, but oh well. Too bad. My last question is, because again, it was you, Floyd, there's Al hayman. A lot went into building Floyd's career, making him pass the Hall of Famer, making him global superstar and everything. Forbes. Orbs. Not cutting you off, but I gotta say this part. The coupe one of the coolest things ever was getting phone calls from when I say top top players in different sports.
SI Media Podcast
"tommy morrison" Discussed on SI Media Podcast
"Old are you? Because you know why I grew up in the 80s? And I saw the original Lady Gaga act. Her name was Madonna. She's just copying everything she does. So she's Lady Gaga's got a real voice. Madonna doesn't have that. Right. But Madonna was around for like 30 years before Lady Gaga. Did you watch A Star Is Born or no? No. you gotta see it. First of all, if I watched it, I'd watch the original. Yeah, I know I want to go back and do that. But this was a great one. This was a great one. At least you put The Karate Kid song on the list. As long as that's on the list you're okay. Both of those. You're the best. Young hearts, which is fantastic. I don't like you. I don't like doing the movie rocky. Yeah, all of them. I've only seen I definitely seem three, maybe four. You don't know the rocky movies? I just said I've seen I've seen three. Which is the one with the Russian. Four. Then I've seen four. Four. Yeah. Are there only 5? No, there's rocky Balboa, and then there's creed that company. Those are the new focal ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. I'm talking about good movies. I'm not talking about you'll like rocky Balboa, it's a good one. Let me be clear let me be clear. I'm not saying they're not good movies, but excuse me. The real rocky movies are the ones with Sylvester Stallone is fighting, not where he's a hundred years old. So for me, 5 rockies, I don't think, what was the 5th one? What's this? Tommy gone in the street, my rings outside. Tommy gone in the streets, you know what Tommy Morrison? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably saw that one. Yeah. I definitely saw the first four. Probably so 5. Yeah. All right. That list was better than the soundtrack list. Yeah. What's another less you got another list coming up? No, I noticed all that I did this two years ago during the pandemic. It's like the Olympics with me. Every two years I watched the rocky movies in order and rank them. Here's what I find funny about this. There's no one I've said this before. There's no one I know. That hates Twitter or has more bigger or has bigger issues with Twitter than you. And then you're out there putting out lists, which is literally the number one thing to put on Twitter if you want people to come back and attack you. Yeah, I don't even read. To me, it's fun. At that point, that's where I do it to it's a good format to put that stuff out there, but it's also trolling. You know going in, nobody is going to like your list. Simple as that. No, the majority of people can have something to say. How could you put this one over that one? After you put this song on the list. That's my point. And you did it anyway, despite the fact that you say you hate Twitter. But I did it with a smile as opposed to a shock that I'm getting. That's good. Yeah, you seem very zen about it. I'm happy about it. Usually, you're all riled up. You seem about it. I'm glad. That's your friend. I'm in a good spot. Maybe next week we'll read some apple reviews. So enjoy Sunday AFC NFC title games. I'm gonna bet Philly minus two and a half and I'll probably bet over 47 and a half in the Bengals cheesecake. I'll bet Philly and probably the Bengals, not sure. All right, be well. Talk to you later. Bye. All right, my thanks to Jason McCourty and Sal la cotta if you enjoyed the episode, leave us a review on Apple. We'll read it during a train of thought segment and one of the near episodes and make sure you subscribe to the SI media podcast. Most important thing is to subscribe if you're not a subscriber, you enjoyed the show, hit the subscribe button and check out some past episodes. Chris long was on the pod last week, trajectory in two weeks ago, Jim Miller, three weeks ago, check those out in the archives and again, subscribe to the SI media podcast. All right, appreciate you guys listening, enjoy the NFC and AFC title games. We'll see you next week. Right here on the SI media podcast. Stay safe and
SI Media Podcast
"tommy morrison" Discussed on SI Media Podcast
"Doing the movie rocky. Yeah, all of them. I've only seen I definitely seem three, maybe four. You don't know the rocky movies? I just said. I've seen, I've seen three. Which is the one with the Russian. Four. That I've seen for. Four. Yeah. Are there only 5? No, there's rocky Balboa, and then there's creed that comes in. Those are the new focal ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. I'm talking about good movies. You'll like rocky Balboa, it's a good one. Let me be clear let me be clear. I'm not saying they're not good movies, but excuse me. The real rocky movies are the ones with Sylvester Stallone is fighting, not where he's a hundred years old. So for me, 5 rockies, I don't think, what was the 5th one? What's this? Tommy gone in the street, my rings outside. Tommy's gone in the streets. You know Tommy Morrison? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably saw that one. Yeah. I definitely saw the first four, probably so 5. Yeah, all right. That list was better than the soundtrack list. Yeah. What's another less you got another list coming up? No, I noticed all that I did this two years ago during the pandemic. It's like the Olympics with me. Every two years I watched the rocky movies in order and rank them. Here's what I find funny about this. There's no one I said this before. There's no one I know. That hates Twitter or has more bigger or has bigger issues with Twitter than you. And then you're out there putting out lists, which is literally the number one thing to put on Twitter if you want people to come back and attack you. Yeah, I don't even read. To me, it's fun. At that point, that's where I do it to it's a good format to put that stuff out there, but it's also trolling. You know going in, nobody is going to like your list. Simple as that. No, the majority of people can have something to say, how could you put this one over that one after you put this song on the list? That's my point. And you did it anyway, despite the fact that you say you hate Twitter. But I did it with a smile as opposed to a shock that I'm getting. That's good. Yeah, you seem very zen about it. I'm happy about it. Usually, you're all riled up. You seem about it. I'm glad. That's your friend. I'm in a good spot. Maybe next week we'll read some apple reviews. So enjoy Sunday AFC NFC title games. I'm gonna bet Philly minus two and a half and I'll probably bet over 47 and a half in the Bengals cheesecake. I'll bet Philly and probably the bangles. Not sure. All right. All right, be well. Talk to you later. Bye. All right, my thanks to Jason McCourty and Sal la cotta if you enjoyed the episode, leave us a review on Apple. We'll read it during a train of thought segment and one of the near episodes and make sure you subscribe to the SI media podcast. Most important thing is to subscribe if you're not a subscriber, you enjoyed the show, hit the subscribe button and check out some past episodes. Chris long was on the pod last week, trach in two weeks ago, Jim Miller, three weeks ago, check those out in the archives and again, subscribe to the SI media podcast. All right, I appreciate you guys listening, enjoy the NFC and AFC title games. We'll see you next week. Right here on the SI media podcast. Stay safe and take
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"tommy morrison" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"What's your take on Jake Paul and what he does for boxing? I like it. I'm so now. I have to be honest before when he came through, remember when he KSI's younger brother deji. And I was like, what is this crap? Now, what is this? And I think people who continually ask for him to fight a boxer, have to understand that he isn't a boxer himself. You know, this guy was a YouTube guy that has now actually started to really learn the sport of boxing. And you can see it with the level of opponents. They've gone better all the time. Nate Robinson to Tyron Woodley to now has him rackman junior. Now I get that he's asked how some rep men to come down and wait and, you know, in a rehearsal. Which by the way, people get up and arms, but everybody every side does it. Every aside doesn't. Yeah, and what rehydration clothes is. You don't think fighters do that as well. Boy did it. Canelo does it? If AJ wasn't a heavyweight he'd do. He'll do it. Every single a side takes advantage of the B side. This is how it works in boxing. But the fact he's fighting a guy to add over a hundred amateur fights who's 12 and one I believe comes from boxing stock is way better than Tommy Fury. Look, this isn't a conversation of how good it has seen rachman is. This is the case that he's actually fighting a boxer. Not someone that kind of goes in and out of sports. Someone actually as this is their profession. So I've got to give him respect. And I also love the way he calls out. You know that Eddie hearns of the world and Dana White's, I love it. And when someone can speak that freely because you can't be canceled or fired, I can appreciate that. He's putting himself like the rockman junior fight. Jeez. And I talked to Jake for this podcast that's coming up next. But when he was next to rockman at that press conference in New York, I'm like, holy shit. That's a big way difference. And I know rock bottom's got to lose. And something's going to come out of him losing all that weight. He can say, I fought that way in the amateurs. He was two 24 in his last fight like three months ago. And you're not going to tell him he's been in the gym the whole time. No, no. Cutting down to that weight. So he's going to have to drain himself. But he's going to be the bigger man in the ring. And he's going to be the real boxer. That fight he got knocked out in by Tommy Morrison's kid. He was winning that fight up until that point. So he wasn't outclassed he just got caught and he got knocked out and that's the way it goes. So this is the kind of fight where I can see Jake if he's not able to knock rockman out, he might lose a wide decision because rock wants the better box, a hundred amateur fights. That he's never seen before. Like, yo, what did he do there? That double jab, where's that come from? So this is a big, big leap for Jake. I give him respect. I was listening to an interview he did with ariella. And he was like, rachman doesn't take the fight. No one else is going to take the fight, because we're not going to give someone three or four weeks to it's not right. And I'm like, jeez. I'm going to tell you now, professional boxers wouldn't do that. You know? So I respect Jake, I do.
MMA Roasted
"tommy morrison" Discussed on MMA Roasted
"And he's 12 and one. But I watched him fight Tommy Morrison junior and he looked terrible. I mean, he looked, he looked worse in time or is it now? He looked, he looked awful. I think Jake Paul might win this fight. I'm pretty sure he will, but everyone's happy because he's fighting a real boxer. That's how low the bar is. You've had a real boxer. He's like, dude, he's fighting a real. He's a boxer. He's supposed to fight real boxers, you know? Is Jake Paul undefeated? Jake Paul is undefeated. He's 5 O. Now, how upset were you as an MMA fighter as a black human being? When he knocked out Tyron Woodley. I kind of knew something like that was about to happen, you know. Yeah, people got greased up. People got paid. People would people want to see that go on about, I mean, I don't know. It's kind of hard to say because that's the lose lose. I mean, you know, I like woody, it's hard to say like, you really let him knock you out. And then it's like, you really knocked you out. Like, which one is worse? Knocked out of him taking the die. You know, like, you think he actually took it out? It was a solid punch. It was a solid punch. I mean, maybe he wasn't supposed to hit him that hard. But what these smokes a lot of weed, right? I mean, he was high for probably like four years in a row. He didn't train. The other guy's 210 pounds, were these like 5, 7, you know, I mean, he fought a one 70. One guy is doing nothing but boxing with Moseley junior, which Mosley senior with the best guys and the other guys, like, you know, training double eggs and single eggs and, you know, yeah, but I know on paper, guys, a YouTuber and yada yada, but he's still a solid athlete, probably on all kinds of juice. Yeah. He's definitely on all kinds of juices. And you had nothing but boxing. Have you ever aspired real boxers? Yeah, I have. What's the difference like? They just, I mean, they move a little better. You know, they don't punch as much. You know, other punches count, you know, I think that's the big, I think that's a huge difference. They're just more calculated in what they do. But right now, you don't lose any weight. So you walk around like one 90, 200? I wish you asked my problem. I'm putting, I need to put on some sides.
MMA Roasted
"tommy morrison" Discussed on MMA Roasted
"He's fighting a boxer. All right. But he is an actual boxer. Well, I took Adam's advice and watched Jake Paul and that guy's far and rockman is terrible. Like I was way off, I must have seen someone else firing what I thought when I was thinking of him like I seen rockman junior because there's videos of him and Jake Paul sparring and it looks like worse than Tyron Woodley, like as far as his stand up. Like it is. It's not even going to be closer. Well, which makes sense because their formula is, even if it's so funny, I don't even know how many of these fights the other fighter actually can't perform so much as they, it's just brilliant marketing to be like, I'm fighting this guy. We're gonna go at it. Oh, he's out, I'm sorry. Well, I guess this guy, right? I really, because I mean, they pay everybody off. This just seems like another great little scheme that two brothers would come up with. Like I got it. I'm sorry, it does. It reeks of that twins are fucking devious that way. Why is he always fighting a former sparring partner? Right, exactly. So they know exactly what they got. They know that they're going to beat him for sure, but here's the other thing. These sparring partners are paid to lose. They're not paid to hurt these guys. I would love it if this guy showed him what he's really got and actually showed up. I don't expect that. I clearly expect him to be somebody that is paid to lose. The other guy, like, why doesn't he fight Tommy Morrison junior? That guy's 12 and O, that guy beat rock mon junior, stop. And the other guy and he's undefeated. So again, this is just the way this is their little fucking smoke and mirror show. Like, here's who we're fighting, right? Oh, you can't. Oh no, I think that's, I think, I don't know how many times I can play that card, but I think that's what's happening. Also, also, between McGregor and Jake Paul, so Paul went on the MMA hour with Ariel helwani, the other day, and he said that the fight between him and McGregor could be $75 million to a $100 payout per person. McGregor went on Twitter, called Paul flop, a nobody. Paul's response to that was a little bit more vitriolic. He came with some pretty hefty accusations, including one that McGregor takes the steroid, tremble on, and another thing he's unfaithful to his wife. He goes, Connor, Connor Carter, you're more active on Twitter than you are in the octagon. Stop taking tremble on and start taking fights. You're more actively cheating on your wife than you are in the octagon. Your priorities are mixed up, put down the bottle, get back to fighting, you haven't want to fight in 5 fucking years, and that was against cowboy, who doesn't want to fight since fighting you. I'm a nobody. Well, yeah, you're right. I'm a fucking kid from Ohio, but this is where you fought your 6 fight. It's literally two people in the crowd. This is where I'm fighting. August 6th, Manu Square Garden. And you know, I know you'll be watching kiddo. First of all, what is tremble on Sean? That's about the most powerful steroid you can take as long as you don't mind dying after just a few months on it. So I get enlarged as your heart is not bad idea. Didn't you take trip alone? I feel like you took it at one point. I've heard of me take it at once, but I don't know if
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"tommy morrison" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"App to get started now. Sign up with the promo code boxing so that they know that I sent you. This is boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. All right, Al Bernstein is here longtime boxing commentator showtime boxing analyst on Saturday, Al will be ringside in San Antonio for the 126 pound world title fight between Mark makes IO and former 122 pound champion ray Vargas that fights at the Alamo dome and you can see that on showtime. I got to tell you out San Antonio starting to grow on me a little bit as a boxing town. I know you've been back a few times in the last couple of years. I'm starting to like San Antonio as a boxing town. Yes, San Antonio has a rich history of champions in the past. People like Jesse James lehan, so many others. And lots of boxing fans down there. And the city itself is, you know, a really great city to visit. Nothing better than the river walk. And they're starting to now back in the boxing business. Rodriguez citing down there and this fight going down there and others. So it's great to see I love when a city it's like kind of like Minneapolis recent times, right? With their great venue there, the armory, it's kind of a little bit of a revitalization of the sport, which is fun. Yeah, and you mentioned bam Rodriguez. He fought at this new venue called, I think is the tech port center and arena, which is a really small value, which is one thing I think was missing from San Antonio over the years because you had to do fights at the Alamo dome or AT&T center. This place, I think, held about 2500 fans. It is kind of perfect for those lower tier fights or with younger fighters that haven't built the kind of fan base that warrants a trip to the Alamo dome or to AT&T center. So I hope there are more fights in San Antonio and I hope more fights at that smaller venue as well until guys get to a certain level in boxing. I want to talk about the messiah Vargas fight, but I want to begin talking about some news that broke yesterday involving another fight it's going to wind up on showtime pay per view. That's Jake Paul. Everybody's favorite pseudo boxer. He is was scheduled to face Tommy Fury in an anticipated fight on August 6th at Matt Square Garden. Last week, Tommy Fury could not get into the United States for reasons that are not clear at the moment. Jake Paul has elected to move on. I was told Jake is finalizing a deal to face a seam, rockman junior, the son of ex heavyweight champion, a seam rockman rockman junior, nowhere near as accomplished as his father, but he's 12 and one as a professional and seemingly fills the void or the role of real fighter that Jake Paul has been urged to face at some point. So let me start there. I mean, you know, how did you feel about Jake Paul fighting Tommy Fury? And how do you feel about Jake Paul now fighting a seam rockmond junior? You know, the fury fight seems star crust. It's had many fits and starts and now this last episode in which fear couldn't get into the country. Some question how zealous he was in the attempt to do so. Who knows? But in any case, it turns out he can't. And the intriguing part about this is that it's conceivable that the change in opponent from Tommy Fury has seen rockman may offer a bigger challenge to Jake Paul, who you aptly referred to as a pseudo boxer. That was a good phrase. But I see rockman has a loss. He lost to Tommy Morrison's son, but he was doing well in that fight. And he is a pro boxer, as you point out. So that was the mission statement for Jay Paul this time around was to fight an actual professional boxer. And toward that end, that seam rockman will fill the bill. Now he has come in and fights higher in weight than the Cruiserweight levels for sure. So we'll see what he weighs in at. That could be a big part of this story as well. If in fact, they make the deal with him. And most important and central to this entire issue is that the fact that that fight has been saved means that I can see a second Broadway show in New York after we're talented at 31st. So I have my priorities straight. That's right, from Danny Garcia to Jake Paul and extended trip into Manhattan. I like that. I'm fine with Jake Paul fighting a scene rock button. In fact, I go as far Al as to say I'm impressed that Jake Paul is fighting a seam rock Bond junior. You know, rock Bond junior is not a world champion, not going to be a world champion. But he is established fighter who fights at a higher weight class. His last fight, he fought around 220 pounds. They're going to have to find a weight that works between Jake Paul's one 91 95 type of weight and the weight that has seen rock mon junior fights at. But more to the point, Al like whenever I hear criticism of Jake Paul, especially from former fighters. I check the receipts and I check the receives and I mean that by I look at who they were fighting in their 6 professional fight. Jake Paul's 5 O, this will be a 6th fight. So I go back to my good friend, Sergio Mora. My broadcast partner over at the zone, who in his 6th professional fight, fought a guy named Warren kronberger, who sounds like my tax attorney, who was three and 6 at the time, and finished his illustrious boxing career at four in ten. Tony bellew love Tony Belle, former champion, tremendous career, his 6th fight, was against Hastings, rasani, who was 19 35 and two. 6 pint. He fought Hastings rasani. Julio César Chávez junior, I promise I'll stop here. Former champion who has who has his eyes on a fight with Jake Paul at some point in the future. In his 6th pro fight out, he faced Guadalupe arce, who at the time was zero in 14. So, like, Jake is highly visible. But it is 6th professional fight.
MMA Roasted
"tommy morrison" Discussed on MMA Roasted
"It's like here at Don freising, and he's like, all right. You know, and then he starts in the middle of a song starts saying, sorry, this sound sounds like shit. Keith sweat thinks he's so important. We didn't have time. This is why the music was going in the background for Rome or whatever. Like, he sweat. Didn't let me do a sound check 'cause he's a selfish piece of shit, and everybody starts going, oh, my chair, and you know or whatever, like, doing stuff. It's about to cause a riot there. He's like, I'm not ever doing this tour again. And he was like, all right, hit it. And then, you know, like my prerogative and I was like, was that planned part of the show? Like, what's going on, man? Like, it was a, it was an odd night. So Jake Paul is no longer fighting Tommy Fury. Stalker. Instead, he's fighting hassim rockmond junior. Who bad idea? No, I watched this guy fight. He got this chippy not of them by Tommy Morrison junior. Tommy gun junior? There's a Tommy Morrison junior. There's two of them. I had no idea. There's two more. And one of them got knocked out recently. He was 29. The other one beat rockman, who's like, also undefeated. Neither of them look, they all fight like Tommy Morrison, but they're not. They don't have the power, they're not Tommy Morrison. But this guy rock my junior was not very good. And I heard they used to train together him and J Paul. So it seems like he's just happening. That seems a little like, well, Jake Paul's trend with him and then picked him as an opponent. He knows he can beat him. There's a lot of that that goes on like with last minute replacements. Like, hey, my opponent pulled out. I've got a guy used to train him with. He said he'll step in and take it. Like, yeah, I bet he will, but I don't think I was king rockman fight, he thought one time they had Mayweather was doing one of his little documentary things and soon rocking junior got an inbox the guy that was there from England that was being a dick to people or whatever. I don't know what was going on and they had like a 15 round war, whatever. He looked pretty decent, but I think that's right. I think that's not the same guy. I don't think it's the same guy. And the thing is a couple brothers. There's a lot of more sense in rock ones out there, man. It's weird. It's like how many how many kids do these guys have? And then Tommy Fury, and then there's also like a Vargas Vargas kid box, sugar Shane Mosley junior, I met none of them ever seem as good as the only one that seemed better than the father was Mayweather. Because I'm going father to train them. Usually it does seem like you see that one they had what's his name Frasier. Marvelous Frasier versus Tyson. Yeah, that was sad, man. If Joe Frazier was a great fighter, his kid was he's one of them guys who just did it because his dad did it, you know, like that's not didn't work out so well. Yeah, that was crazy. Dos anos is fighting for ziya. And because I have already got into it with McGregor on Twitter. So I guess because I was being nice, I just said, hey, if you ever want to train with us, so this is what I have said.
Tha Boxing Voice
"tommy morrison" Discussed on Tha Boxing Voice
"She never really well into the in. I know he said light or mean. Say live is the west So did you. do you know who it is. I mean you saw where. I i can't tell who is it. Yacht can't voice francis because he always tell us who it is francis. Things should look at his face little. Who honestly i don't know but i salute martinez rallies. That who it is good even said that even while francis texan his family over there. He's still listening dan. You so member tommy. You must leave making up his words and stuff that's why he signed ended sided right. He said light or live. So women context remember. Remember the tommy. Furey said joe i wanna fight marcellus on undercard of wildlife fury three so saw dallas marcel assist training and he la eight tummy veered. I know bell not move. Yeah but he stopped speaking on my nigga like rocky you okay. I can't say. Tommy embossing without satellite rog breath. May we supposed to be like this. You know y. Tommy tommy tommy. Yo i hate tommy. Y'all he heard he hurt rocky rocky was it was a traitor. Y'all he was generally hurt but generally herb road like that. It was crazy. That seem when tommy's beaten semi in ring rockies beaten the bag and then you know tommy is like oh you know the fate max. Kellerman goes to interview tommy. And he's like yo who you wanna thank. I wanna thank. Do dukes been like an angel. Them is like what the fuck rocky face was. Linda's latte like how you say. I ain't to say this do came and stowed you from me right rocky. They kind of each other. Like tommy gun in jake paul. Tiny gun tommy. Gun and tommy morrison phoebe shit. Moving deal do me. Why you sleeping on jay. You know you ain't gonna start sleeping on jay two to two willie waco damn why you put it like dab for you're gonna find out. I mean he don't find because he he. He don't realize that. Ben aspirin and tyrone like there to complete like he's just seeing another. Mma guy being fed to the land. That's how i seize it but it is exactly mimicked. Se he said in a matrix he state. You don't care is is air. Ha good yeah. I see a on showtime right. Now they have when we were kings. Hadn't seen that since i was probably like twenty. Oh that's a good. As documentary for real and i didn't realize how many of the lines from that movie were in a li like the scene where he's like If he talk a little job i might get him at five. Like you talk a little more. Might get him four. he's a pick them on. No you picking your man like that whole scene from ali was in when we were kings like there was a lot of dialogue that was taking directly from that movie s movie. Go see the hulk in maryland with the cash. App says tyrone woodley is being trained by andrea wool. Show well friends in high places man. Let me tell you said. Let me tell you some. Nobody in jim one besides so matt Why you say. In mario bartelson word virgil where he is omen count. Not according to nestor count because it makes.