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CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
"tommy lloyd hubert davis" Discussed on CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
"And I put Anthony grant and Mark Schmidt on my list on the back end there. What Mark Schmidt has been able to do. Mark Schmidt said, good one. That marks his foot good ones. I basically pick Mark Schmidt over Brad Underwood. And again, you know, we're splitting hairs. Mark Schmidt's level of difficulty is so insane at saint bonaventure is particularly when you see when he took that job. And I didn't want to make this only a power conference kind of thing here that I wanted to lob him lop him a vote. I knew he probably wouldn't crack through because I didn't know if anyone else would have voted for him. Anthony grant, he did not thrive at Alabama, but when you look at his career in totality and I did make it a little bit, I did bacon just a little bit of predictiveness here. I think, you know, if Dayton can do what we're thinking it should do and by that, I mean, sit somewhere between a three seat and a 6 seat or 7 seat this season when we get to the tournament. Like, I think he will have a valid, you know, could have had a one C two three years ago, we didn't have a damn tournament. That's probably working against him a little bit there. I did not vote for the, okay, obviously, shyer, not on the list. He hasn't coached a game. We can't put him on. And that was my thing. Shire was initially on my group of people to consider and I was like, I think he'll be on this list next year, I believe. But he has not at the time we submitted our ballots. He had not coached a game, and I was like, maybe that should be where I set the bar. You have to at least have coached one game before you could make this list. I didn't put the likes of Tommy Lloyd Hubert Davis on the list. They were really good in year one. I just needed it personally. I just needed a little more on the resume. I need a little more on the pile. They were certainly under consideration, but frankly, I traded off between like, right now, if you gave me Tommy Lloyd to run my program or Jim beham made my list, I would take Tommy Lloyd quite clearly, but I wanted to at least have a nod to beheim who was one of the best coaches of all time before, you know, for publishing lists, it says the top 25 and one coaches in college basketball. To me, Jim baham needs to be on that list for all that he's done there. But it wasn't easy. And again, the criteria was not strict to all of us. We were able to interpret it the way they were. We haven't done this before. And it is pretty fascinating. I also am looking at this a couple other thoughts. One, you know, we did this was made a bit easier by the fact that we have had a lot of really good Hall of Fame level coaches leave the sport in the past year or two. So when enabled other coaches to be under consideration and ultimately make the list there, I didn't include juwan Howard, that's also a pretty good one. That was the one when he made it onto our final list. I was like, yeah, you know, like, there's something to be said for that juwan Howard versus my friend. I think Juan belongs on the list. I think that's probably got to be on there. I think he's, again, he's probably got to be on there. But overall, I just read off the back end. You heard Paris read the top ten if you need to rewind, go back and listen again. I don't really have a ton of issues. I only think that Sean Miller has got, you know, you can shrug him off at the same way that you might want to with Bill self at one and I get all that. And I think he will eventually be face suspension whenever the IAR, P case comes down, but I just think he is a quite clearly a top 25 coach in the game. That's the only one who didn't make the list that I think probably has a right to it, but there you have it. The truth is, and I think this is the way, by the time you get to January, the top 25 and one that I do every morning also looks. Like when you get outside of the top 15, the next 25 to 30 are all reasonable candidates. And so there's some guys that undeniably have to be on this list like Bill Mark fu Scott drew John calipari Kelvin Sam and Tony Bennett Tom is over Bruce pearl Mick cronin. I think Eric musselman at this point, Rick Pitino Matt painter, Chris beard, Rick Barnes. Like I think that group that group has to be on everybody's list. And then you get into, you know, do you want buzz Williams or Dana Altman? Do you want Andy infielder Greg McDermott? Do you want Jamie Dickson or juwan Howard? And I think after about the top 15 to 20, you could do another 20 to 25. And it's all reasonable. Agreed. I like seeing that Randy Bennett made the list. You and I might have, I don't know if Boone or Cobb put him on, but so you and I might have a single handedly made sure that's the case. Similar situation to Mark Schmidt obviously, I mean, saint Mary's is a tiny, tiny school in the middle of Morocco, California that he's been able to at least keep with an arms length of a Gonzaga program that's become a behemoth. I think he objectively has to be right there. And yeah, McDermott, McDermott made top 25. That's valid and it might be more validated by what creighton could be this season, similar to what I was doing with some projection with Dayton there. We'll link this in the podcast description if you want to give it a read. David Cobb did the capsules for all these guys. It was certainly pretty intriguing. And I've heard a little bit of feedback there from the list. As is to be expected there. But I'm with you when I look at this because I'm kind of scrolling back right through here. Top 15 overall, pretty good case for guys that just need to be in that mix there. And again, we go self one, few two. Now, if you doesn't have a national title, drew has a national light. Yeah. So I've never heard that before. Okay. But let's just focus on the top just to begin. I struggled with this because I did rank few ahead of drew by one spot. Few was just done it longer, I don't know. It's just one spot to whatever. But I was like, who deserves to go in the spot more? You know, and to me, it was a, it was a big time toss up, but lo and behold, that's how it shakes out few too. Drew has a national title. He's three. Cal is a national title. He's four. Samson doesn't. Maybe you'll have one in 5 months, but when you look at what he's done at Houston, has been big. Bennett has a national title. He's 6 is so obviously. He's at 7 pearl does not cronin does not muscleman does not patino does. He's the lowest rank one on the list with the national title. There are others obviously that have made a final four. As you continue to move on down the list there, very fun exercise. And yeah, just a correction. Jim baham would be the lowest guy. With a national championship, but still, you get the point. So that's the list. If you haven't seen it yet, go check it out at CBS sports dot com. Or if Twitter is still around, you can find it on Twitter. You ready to do the first final four in one of the season? Well, hold on. Hold on, hold on. All right.
CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
"tommy lloyd hubert davis" Discussed on CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
"But come on. Let me let me say this. Well it's okay. You're going to say this is the biggest margin we've ever had which is true and you might say it was surprising to me. It was not surprising. Sometimes we ask these questions and there's multiple reasonable answers. There is no other simple answer at this in this moment. Then crispier period. I mean is like it'd be like if we asked a candy coaches question. What's the best basketball program in the wctc. There's only one answer to that. Question is should be one hundred percent. And i would argue. This should have been one hundred percent crispy. I'm glad that although that would have been actually that would have been the best stories if we pulled you know. One hundred seven coaches and literally. All hundred seven voted for chris beard. He did get sixty one percent of the vote though and that was by far the best. shock a smart. I do how. 'bout this the old texas coach and the new texas coach were not just one and two they accounted for seventy eight percent of the vote and this does make sense logically. The top three vote-getters were the only candidates up for a vote who have been to the final four as a head. Coach beard shock a smart puerto mosier at oklahoma they comprised eighty six percent of the vote West miller and craig smith got three percent of peace. And then tommy. Lloyd hubert davis mike woodson ben johnson miles earl grant and pat kelsey vote. John also received a vote but he will apply to next year's poll question when he actually inherits the head. Coaching position there Real real quick. This is in the post. But i went back and looked at every coach that one this starting in twenty thirteen. Steve alford one at ucla. Coming out of new mexico re signed a ten year deal and left the school like an hour and a half later. I don't have the percentage. There i couldn't find it way back. Machine failed me Buzz williams virginia tech twenty nine percent in two thousand fourteen shock a smart texas forty one percent. The previous highest vote getter was the texas coach. The last time. Texas made a higher in two thousand sixteen. It was brad underwood at oklahoma state. With twenty five percent he was actually the lowest percentage of okita. We've ever had for this question. Archie miller in seventeen at indiana had thirty eight percent in two thousand eighteen chris. Mack thirty two percent and then in two thousand nineteen was fred hoiberg at thirty percent parish. When you look at that list of past winners. Alfred was fired. Buzz williams did good but he's no longer there. He moved on of his own volition. Shock a smart. It didn't end well although it was decently successful it just didn't end well. Brad underwood was a one and done to get a big job. He's no longer there. Archie miller fired no longer there. And then chris mack and fred hoiberg their recent hires and so they're still there but i would say both of those situations. I mean the the louisville situation with chris. Mack there in the middle of an ongoing quagmire with with stuff that predated max tenure and now includes max tenure where you had an assistant trying to extort you in hoiberg nebraska just hasn't caught on yet probably uncivil tournament team yet this season either so the point is there have been some successes but there is not one previous winner to this question. That is both at the school they were at when they want it and like continuing to be accessory there so if beer does it he'll be the first Granted it's only a seven year sample size gp. But i found that interesting. There hasn't been like the higher that like. Oh yeah he wanted. And when you look up like they've just been cruising enroll in either. The coach moved on or just kind of been or they've been fired. Yeah and that's why if we look back in five years it's possible that crispier will not have been the best hire from this off. We revisit these things i mean. It would have been crystal clear to me the year. That indiana hired archie. Miller that archie miller was the best hire turns out not so much right so you know we can look back on this stuff and have different opinions but in this moment. I don't think there's any answer other than chris beard. He's the most accomplished guy although his division one head coaching career is still relatively young. He's undeniably accomplished unprecedented things at two different schools. Unprecedented things in the state of texas. And now he's at the university of texas so on the david got hired. He was the right answer and everything's done since he got hired. He's he. He remade texas as roster into a roster that is that comprises a top. Preseason top five fifteen. You got a national championship in year one at texas. He took over a program that lost in the opening round the ncaa tournament to abilene christian. And he got a chance to win a national championship in year one so the day that he was hired. He seemed like the obvious answer to this question. And certainly as we sit here getting ready to start the two thousand twenty one twenty two season again. I just i don't listen. I i think shock is going to be terrific at marquette. I like a lot of these hires. But if you can only pick one. I don't know how you can mumble. Answer anything differently than grislier. I wouldn't disagree with you if you made me pick one. He just seems to make the most sense. A lot of coaches in the sport. Think that this is the ideal marriage and as long as chris. Beard wants to be a college basketball coach. he ain't leaving texas. This is the spot they gotta sparkly new arena coming next year. They killed it in the transfer portal. We'll see how that goes this year. If you really look at the players they got a bunch of guys that came from teams. That weren't good or didn't win. So i'm interested to see how they those players gel with the due to did come back but yeah he is. He's got it wrong. I did have a couple of coaches really supper. Shock smart and say The texas fit was not good. I kind of felt that by the second year. He's going to be able to have all this autonomy at marquette and you're going to look up and we're gonna look we're gonna be talking and four or five years and we're going to be seeing that marquette in that league in the big east is going to be the undisputed like top three program consistently kind of at the level that the buzz williams added that before that will That'll be interesting. But i wasn't surprised. I thought beard will be one in shock. Be too and that's indeed. How the voting came out one more question before we get out of here. It was presented this way with coach k. As mike chess game for those unfamiliar with coach k. Retiring who is the best person to replace him as the most prominent face and voice in college basketball and the leading vote-getter was j. right at thirty eight percent followed by tommaso. Twenty percent. john calipari twelve percent. Tony bit nine percent mark. Few six percent juwan howard. Five percent mick cronin. Three percent matt painter three percent and then various coaches accounted for the remaining four percent of the votes. This is one where just said what the other questions. There's only one right answer and it. Was chris beard. This is one where there's multiple right answers. Yes i thought you were about to say. I thought about say. There's only one right answer i was like. What no no you. You could make reasonably make an argument. I guess for pretty much. Everybody that the coaches voted for. But i think especially for jay wright and tony bennett tom. Izzo is obviously finished. Second and he's obviously a prominent face and voice in the sport has been for a long time and could certainly elevate in the absence of roy williams. Mike chef ski. But you know he. He's he's up there in age. I think jay and tony are going to be coaching longer in college basketball. Then thomas just gas. But i would guess that way. Based on nothing more than their birth certificates. Jay writes got multiple. National championships is well light. Well respected and multiple coaches pointed out. And i think this is true. Could be the next coach of usa basketball and twenty minutes. Same sort of deal national championship super respected. Well liked like all of these guys aren't well liked throughout the sport..