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Time To Secure The Win?
"The interruption but i'm mike wilbon his national tap dance day. Tony tap dancer. Tony kornheiser more of a pole dancer. Know i just groove one. You sat back on your heels. Wait for the breaking pitch on now and then just knocked out launch. I will tell you that. I really really truly admire tap dance. We got a man. Who's your favorite is. Am i going to pronounce the name. Light savion glover who see yasser yes. Great tapping on great old race. I saw glover on broadway. We'll pti boys and girls in today's episode. Arron rogers talks the he lose and connor mcdavid goats home but we begin today with both los angeles. Nba teams facing the possibility of going down to the lakers are on the road in phoenix the clippers or at home against dallas wilpon. Which team is more likely to get a win tonight. The lakers or the clippers. The lakers tony. You know who i'm rooting for here in phoenix. Make no mistake about that But you know the lakers. This lebron james. Right and anthony davis is not gonna go four for whatever he was. It was awful and he blamed himself and he knows he's bounced back. I mean people go crazy to think like is only a few players in history who like seventy five eighty percent of the time or better are just great playoff game after game after game game. Most guys have to make some adjustments. They have a bad game they gotta bounce back from it and so people are crazy about anthony davis who out you can write the numbers down now. I got thirty and fifteen. For anthony davis. They're gonna go to them early. They're going to go to often. I mean this is going to be difficult for deondraye eytan. Because he's going to have a future hall of famer coming at him. You know trying to get his game back and get his team back and lebron james. I don't know about physically because his coast keeps saying you know. Lebron had two or three more weeks but he doesn't so he's gotta go with what he's got. But i expect the lakers to bounce back tonight. And i don't know about the clippers you know. I didn't like the clippers all year. I think the lakers will bounce back win tonight. Not the series necessarilly tonight. So i would love to disagree with this. I do not disagree with that. I actually think both teams will win. If you ask me. Which team is more likely to win. I will say the lakers for the anthony davis reason. I think lebron will go to his teammates and say this is a do or die situation. I don't think that's true. I don't think they have to win a championship team. They can go back home and win. I fully expect that to happen. But in these circumstances mike. I find that. I trust lebron more than i. Trust the clippers. Because of the history of ron and the clippers in the playoffs. I think the clippers are going to concentrate on stopping luca. Danni chih-chia will not surprise me if kawai guards luka doncic but you know it's a trust factor if i have to pick one team or the other. I'm going to pick the team that i trust more. I just say this. If i'm adam silver. I want the lakers to win in a fine adam silver. I don't much care if the clippers win. And i know that you are of the opinion that the league has to make way for new stars and get adjusted curry to curry and lebron and and my feeling about that is that this is a television show not for the players but for the commissioner of this television show when what brings the most ratings are. Curry is already out and lebron. You don't want him out. And i would analogize it to off the over the weekend. The pga had thirteen million viewers at a peak. At seven. O'clock on sunday. To see phil mickelson the pga could put phil mickelson and tiger woods out. Doing anything and people would tune in office a niche sport basketball less of a niche sport. But i gotta have lebron. Only you had to have him right now. Maybe but don't you didn't have them two years ago all right so you're not gonna have him for forensics right and my point is the devon booker and job rant and luka doncic these the future starts that you can be like the nba nba shortsighted a few years ago. And you can have an eight year hangover between lebron james and michael jordan. From the time. Michael ended to the time. Lebron really got going and like two thousand ten. It took them years. Tony then. Elite can't be that stupid again and build stars goff already. has young stars still ache. they're much in. Tiger may never be there. Guess i take exception to your analogy and look at the young stars like more cower and all these guys know that show. No that's not true. Even with rory and catkins speed and more cowan no they don't move the needle fill and tiger move the needle. That's moving it off. And i can tell you that. Move sunday's doom. Thirteen new one live off cup of next month. What you're gonna do guy phil again. You who is going to move way tiger. Phil's going to move the needle at torrey pines. That's what's going to hope. i hope he does. He might move it for one day or two days over in the east. The milwaukee bucks are having their way with the heat milwaukee twenty two threes last night after making just five the gay before won the game thirty four the heat zero-some last season are all struggling and find themselves down. Headed back to miami tone. What do these results. These first two games tell us about both the bucks and the heat will. You don't want to jump the gun before you get to the second site because miami could go home. They could be brilliant. And then it's too to when then we're not having this discussion if it's to to to you know but what i would say is the guy that you call. Jimmy buckets the buckets. He's eight wait. Let me get the numbers here wall. It's eight thirty two that just twenty five twenty seven points total in two games. They were down forty. Six twenty at the first quarter that is unheard of in the plant that i just heard so what it what it looks like right now is that milwaukee learned a lesson from losing to this team last year in the playoffs learned a lesson and is applying what it learned right now and is right now killing miami they are tony look i i. I didn't have any faith in miami for the two years. They lost earlier than expected. They were the number one seed in the east. I had a little more faith in them this year coming into the weekend. You're talking about walking walkie milwaukee but tone. I didn't have this much faith. They look they won the first game on on a shot at the buzzer essentially. And so you like okay. Well i thought miami is gonna come back and win that game last night. I missed like the first three minutes turned it on. It was like whoa. I can skip this. I can go have dinner now. Because they're not coming back in this one. But i ain't tony. Betting against miami is also betting against pat riley and that sort of at that laker knicks-heat way that they've had about them when even nato they don't win the whole thing they're right there and they're strong. They're tough they don't let you walk over them to have that at all. Means they got to come back and win game three. And wow us look at the results. More milwaukee though tone milwaukee look stronger tougher smarter than the last two years when they went out early due to me andrew holiday. I'm i'm not count now miami. They have nothing wrong with the finals this year. And they got the same. But i will say this. Milwaukee is playing like. It's being coached by a man who knows that if they go out early. He's gonna lose his job coach mood. He's out for a few years now they got. I'm not calling for. I'm being realistic. They got two time. Mvp and if you're a two time mvp and you never get to the nba finals. You never going to be the mvp again. So you boston at that point and nobody cares. So i think milwaukee's gotta do a little bit better speaking of milwaukee which is in wisconsin. Aaron rodgers did not report to the packers. Ota's he's nowhere near wisconsin. In fact rogers is in hawaii where he's been spotted singing. Rogers told kenny mayne of espn. That he doesn't have beef with jordan. Love says he loves them. Rogers says he loves his coaches and his teammates and packers fans rogers says he has philosophical differences with the organization but was not specific of what they are will von. Does this situation see more or less resolvable to you. you know. we're going to talk about this. And no you're going to ask you that question. I came to the studio today. Thinking about that. And i'm i on one side then on the other and i'm flipping and flopping and then i decided that i was gonna give you the real answer for from me i don't give a damn i can't get emotionally invested in the green bay packers. I'd be a fool to do that. Because i spent my whole life hating them. Even aaron rodgers last. But you like roger. My favorite quarterback i love. I love him tony. I don't know. I mean i don't know if this is passive aggressive. I don't know if this is using leverage. I don't know i'm tired of carrying. I knew everybody at this network has to fall fawn all over this story every minute of every day. I'm not going to because there wasn't enough there. The part that that got me that i really liked hearing about was the relationship or at least his attitude about jordan love. Santa's not about him we're cool. I like working with them. After that. i'm done. You love these sort of passion. Plays knock yourself out or do know i do. And i'm so sorry that dak prescott situation to settle. Because like i. I could talk him. Talk about him for twenty minutes every single day in the largest thing. I read rogers's comments. I honestly didn't understand a word if he loves his coaches and he loves his teammates and he loves the packers fans will then. Why are you leaving if you hate to. Gm say that you hate the gm. It is aaron rodgers once again as he often does being vague and mysterious to impress you with how smart and thoughtful is okay. That's fine right now. And i was on this early. Saying he would never play again right now with this series of comments. It sounds to me like he's going to play there again jar. Well he's not he's not making any particular overt threat. So here's what he won't go to these. Oh ta so what. He won't go to any of this junk so what it's actually back in training camp. He doesn't have to get there early. He knows the system he is the system and then if he stews about something he'll leaks something and it'll indicate that he is doing but at the moment it seems to me that he's going to be there but the singing intrigues me. I think he could become the host of jeopardy and he could sing the answers. And i would like real quick question real quick question before we get out of this. So you like you liked your star player iconic god of a player to go right after the gm. You want a michael jordan's crumbs krause situation. That's what you prefer to see that right. What what. I want is a declaration. This is exactly what i feel and this is exactly what i'm going to do because more than almost any other player in that league older than brady. Who's already made his move or or at the. Kansas city quarterback mahomes rogers has leverage rogers nba player. He's got leverage. Should he want to use it. So far nibbling at the edges he just cast the nets into the water. Let's take a break. But coming up. Jack cloudy lucas giolito face each other for the first time tonight so what they were in the same high school rotation. That's what if a won a state championship. We'll check on them again. 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Get college in pros garrett cole trevor. Bauer would ucla mark maguire randy johnson. Usc but not in high school move. You think this is amazing mike. Here's a third guy. Third fridolin who was seven in atlanta last year was in the same rotation who beat this team who could pass this team unless they were late. Bloomers tony. you see that happens. Sometimes you see it in basketball but not just players on this team pictures. I mean big strong guys who can just blow you away now in the majors. Maybe they were late bloomers and somebody was a little skinny marine when he was young. But beyond that sony giolito who was really had really signature start last year because he threw a no hitter in august. I believe he's kind of struggling right now at dickey's like three or four with a era around four four plus earnings eight. No larry's thirties been like this season. So far right. Yes you gotta clarity is gonna to come out. On top of this battle of the them working to amazing first round picks now. That co. Toss up that kim should feel worse about the oilers getting swept out of the play offs connor mcdavid or the nhl the nhl. Water feel worse. This is the best player. In hockey's three times scoring leader is going to win the mvp this year for the second time. He's only advanced to the second round of the playoffs. Once in six years the winnipeg took him out in four during the reagan season. Anybody during regular season the oilers beat them seven out of nine games. You know she'd really feel bad. The coach 'cause he's out he is not sticking around. If i am the commissioner gary bettman. i'm banging my head against the wall. And i'm calling rob manfred commiserating with him over the fact that my trout neverland's so the best players in both leagues don't get to play in big games. You got teams that have won. You still got the lightning defending champion. The recent chevy got a recent finals before that you still got them in. Actually they'd won and been a finalist. And so you've got big teams. Nobody knows dating looks like tony. I wanted to see him. I watch him now and then during the regular season. But it's not like crosby is not like you know he is a star. Who's already one two or three times. And you're pinning your hopes and your ratings to him. He ain't patrick kane in have multiple rings so stop overstating it. The team should feel bad. Not the nhl stop. Let's take one last break still to come the nuggets even their series with the blazers and we'll the nets handle the celtics. Once again tonight. Patrick kane will use yourself hat trick you. Can you confirm him do own around to your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. that's geico dot com. Wnba is on its way back playing basketball in a pin. It looks like this. No maths no six feet apart to put yourself in harm's way. We are dedicating this season to rana taylor unity that we were able to experience something that we won't forget and we can lean on as we move forward. I do all over again because it's bigger than me to figure then my teammates. Espn films presents. One forty four presented by honda now streaming on espn plus a have gone people up in forty eight. Th birthday yesterday in cologne played for different teams over twenty one major league seasons indians expos white sox angels red sox yankees as mets braves twins and rangers for whom he made twenty four starts in two thousand eighteen at four vicar cologne pitched for more than half the american league and he was also the last remaining major leaguer to play for the expos clone. Won the al cy young for the angels in two thousand five hundred twenty one lifetime record two hundred forty seven and one hundred eighty eight and when he left the majors he had more wins than any active pitcher even got a home. Run as i. For the mets in two thousand sixteen at age forty three we can all remember him circling the bases slowly baseball listed cologne at five. Eleven to eighty five and that two eighty five naven kind. Cologne is still active. By the way mike. He's pitching in the mexican league. Tony sorta pains me to say this but you can make the hall of fame case. I know i could from our total cologne. because you know who's winning percentage he has. He owns over a hall of famer. You know which guy ferguson jenkins ferguson jenkins he's got a better winning percentage and i think each one of them has won cy young. I don't know about heidelberg. Has to ferguson jenkins hall of famer. I'm just saying cologne. He's in he's in that discussion. Happy anniversary john starks on this date. Twenty eight years ago with the knicks holding onto a three point lead in game two eastern conference finals the undrafted stock stroll past. Dj armstrong and rose up an emphatic handed. Dunk over horace grant and michael jordan in one of the more memorable plays in the nineties simply referred to in knicks lore dump. These were the knicks of viewing and oakland mason large ned. The knicks won this game to take to lead in the series. And that was it. The bulls won the next four games in a row went onto win their third straight championship. That streak ended when jordan retired and resumed when he came back. We'll on this was the series with the famous. Charles smith blocked strip block block. Remember remember matthews required to watch it day before he goes to second rule in my house. We don't bow the east. We bowed the mid west. Charles smith such a great god how to work out for the knicks against michael jordan. For all those using the playoffs. Oh wait that's not good. No not great happy trails elitist diaz rockies catches thrown out at third last night as he tried to advance on a wild pitch. The ball bounced way in front of the mets catcher tomasz neto and skipped all the way to the wall behind home plate. Of course you're gonna take a base on that but in a one in one hundred or one thousand shot. The baseball tara off the wall directly into nato's bear throwing in need a whip to throw the third getting diaz the rockies won the game anyway. But how many times like this like three this week. Tony all these places putting those brick walls behind home plate it should be automatic base like it is a first base at that. Bought his defense gordon dugout. You get the base. This ought to happen with all those brick walls behind home plate. You get the next base. One confirmation fergie jenkins indeed has won cy young quickly to the please the nuggets peak the blazers. The tie that series of one breakdown jokers going to be announced the mvp any day now tony deserve performances like last night. The pga up. America apologize for his poor crowd. Control the should on eighteenth sunday. You disagree with this. Yes i disagree. It looked like the british open. I thought it was wonderful. Actually saint joe west. We'll set the record for most games. Umpired tonight are you impressed. Tired of joe. Yes the records last like. Nearly a hundred years impressed. Jacob grop returns the mount tonight for the mets. That's significant isn't it. He's the best pitcher in baseball. It is significant last celtics nets game tonight. We got tony. I don't see any way the celtics get more than one game tonight. I got the nets again. Big out of time we will try and do better the next time and i am only kornheiser. I'm mike borbon same time tomorrow knuckleheads and now your sportscenter all right. So a shout out to woody found. Is you guy right. Watches all absolutely cheers. This is a rewards scheme. Check out my podcast. The world with insight and analysis on the top stories in the nba. Adrian are insider extraordinary reaction to the breaking news. This is the latest world bomb and conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks won't do it again. I'm good thanks. I guess yes. Thank you always appreciate your meal listening. Subscribe to the wolves off wherever you listen to podcasts.
Effectively Wild Episode 1507: Season Preview Series: Mets and Blue Jays
"Joe is one of about this. I know one of my homeboys and we just go call them junior okay. Meanwhile joins us on this day and living up to his potential when the when the haters WANNA call them next. It's worse than that. He's become a victim of the monster. You know scene of a ball been door pinned versus hello and welcome to episode fifteen o seven of effectively wild fan graphs baseball podcast brought to you by our Patriot supporters and make rally of graphs and joined always by Ben. Winberg of the Ring Ben. How're you doing all right? How are you well? There's there's banging in construction land next to my house can't escape. The various schemes are no banging scheme. Replace for me. Victis being everywhere. We look and listened something like that. Yeah so we've got a season preview pod lined up today. I think this is our eighth. Is Our eighth. Were were right around the halfway point of the series which every season reminds me of how many teams there are. The boys takes me by surprise. I know there are thirty teams but when we actually start doing the previous series and it goes on and on and on it Kinda drives home. Just how much baseball there is. But I think this will be the day that marks our getting past the halfway point then we will be closing in on opening day so today we are bringing you. The New York mets with Tim Britton of the athletic followed by the Blue Jays with. Ben Nicholson Smith of sports debt. So just a couple of things. I meant to mention before we get there. One is juice bar watch in spring training at the first prominent comment by a pitcher talking. About what the ballfields like this year? Zach Eflin of the Phillies says that the baseball feels better to him. He says I think it's awesome to me. They feel a little softer. And you can definitely notice the seems a little more last year it was like throwing a cue ball and I wouldn't put too much stock in this because it's not always apparent from spring training. How the ball will behave. Once the season starts there is a correlation between the League level Spring Training Stats in the League level. Regular season stats. Generally I do an article at the end of every spring training trying to forecast what the offensive rates will look like based on spring training but last year for instance. The home run rate in spring. Training wasn't down so it was clear that the Paul hadn't really been de juiced but it was not clear that it had been juiced even more and that we were going to start seeing even more homers so. I don't know that we can conclude anything from this. I think there may be a mix of baseball models in use in spring training. And of course who knows when they're going to introduce who ends tech had happened at any point but this is at least one little indication that at least one person thinks the will perhaps fly a little less far this year. We've been so preoccupied with all of the signs stealing stuff that I think that we have not pause to think for a minute about how wild it is that this is a question. This is a pending open. Question of. What kind of ball were getting. It remains deeply wild just the most important piece of equipment on the field and we're like Wolves Laguna beach. What does this character? Who are you this year? Ball do you come back from your exploits in the off season with a funny accent? Actually when you go abroad and you come back sounding vaguely British. We don't know we haven't gotten to know the character of this baseball. And that's wild right. I know and because we know the bulk can fluctuate on every pitch every ball by a degree. That can really control how far it goes. That's something that I think like. If you're worried about science stealing making you feel like the game is less legitimate. Or that certain pitches or not on the level or something. I think they almost go hand in hand because it's like. Can you trust the results? If teams are stealing signs but also can you trust the results of the balls varying by that much from week to weaker from ball the ball for that matter and we can actually quantify that? Now it's It's part of that sort of sense of unreality or inability to believe in the product. I think we're just GONNA WE'RE GONNA get past the banging while not in my immediate physical vicinity because this could go on for a while but We're going to get past the banging we're gonNA take a deep breath. Mortga feel good. And then we're going to get ball. Funky INNIS MORTGA. Feel funky again. You just WanNa feel on funked. That's not a word. There we go speaking of the banking or the Cheetah. The science dealing. I wrote something about that for the ringer this week. That looks at time between pitches as sort of a proxy for when teams may have caught on to what the Astros were doing because Jonathan Lucrative came out with some comments. Espn last week where he said. Yeah I knew about this twenty eighteen. We were already switching up our science and granted. He was with the as then. He was a teammate. Mike Fires and fires told him about cheating when he was traded to Oakland in August. But I think he said that the suspicions were more pervasive that this spreading around the game and you can go back and look and Lacrosse cited a particular start. In August of twenty. Eighteen Edwin. Jackson was on the mound and it was just interminable. It was like twenty eight seconds between pitches even with the basis. Empty and Jackson is a slow worker to begin with. But the sheriff's his slowest working start ever and it was like you know ten to twenty second signed sequences with all sorts of indicators and have some clips gifts in my article of lucrative going through that but it wasn't just the as in lucrative Jackson. It was also the angels who had some outlier starts and really. When I looked league-wide there was an indication that in twenty eighteen certainly pitchers were working more slowly against Astra's batters than they were against other teams. And that's true. Even if you compare the same pitchers versus Astra's batters non Astros batters and it was particularly true in minute maid park as one would expect because I think that was where the paranoia was at its highest. So that's just an added cost to sign stealing regardless of how much effect you think it has on the competitive integrity the game there's also some slowdown and there's just dead air as catcher cycling through signs and that's no fun for anyone and it seems like that reached its height in late two thousand eighteen. August and September. There is a really noticeable difference. In how long pitchers were taking between pitches to Astra's betters? And ironically? That may have been around the time when the Astros had already stopped stealing signs at least based on what we know and so in one plate appearance I was picking out my article it was Carlos Correa was up with no one. On and at that point in two thousand eighteen the banging scheme was over seemingly and so maybe the replay room scheme was still going on but that relied on a runner being on second to pass the science to the hitter and there was no runner there so it seems unlikely that cray had the signs but there was just so much suspicion about it at that point that I think players were just operating under the assumption that the answer is always had their signs and so they had to defend themselves accordingly. Which didn't really show up in the data in twenty seventeen which is when the science doing was at its height but I think like lucrative noted that he had noticed the banking when he played in Houston and then even the World Series Clayton. Kershaw said recently that he was not using multiple science in the world series that he should have been that he regrets not doing that but maybe was just kinda complacent because it's disruptive for a pitcher to have to do that so it's definitely a departure from the routine that I think players were reluctant to do until they felt like they absolutely had to. I'm curious what the sort of hangover effect of that stuff is going to be in terms of players insistence on cycling. Even though as far as we know there is an active method of cheating being deployed. Because I remember in this past postseason James Paxton how to start at minute maid and he. They were cycling through signs with no one on base very early in that game and that was the one when we noted that internally Fan Graphs. I think we had wondered like maybe we should go to Houston. See if we can sort something out and perhaps we won't find anything in these will be very expensive tacos and And then obviously there was like actual reporting done that revealed all of the scandal. But I I don't think that there is a ton of trusted that things are sort of on the level when it comes to astros hitters. Even though the commissioner wasn't able to find any evidence that there's been cheating that has persisted passed a the banging scheme and code breaker. So I don't know how long it's GonNa take for is to look around and say I feel comfortable just going with you know my usual array of signs. I I suspect that the slowdown will persist. Because even if they don't know that there's cheating going on we're all gonna wonder now he can't. It's hard to to prove that it's not so I think pitchers will continue to be suspicison. Perhaps a bit paranoid and I'm GonNA BE CURIOUS TO SEE. What the interplay is there because you know after a while to get annoyed. K. Go and now it's like I'm worried about buzzers and banging and telepathy and all sorts of stuff so yet does support what we've heard and what's been reported about the fact that teams were complaining to mlb about this before mlb really took action and certainly launched a public investigation into it and so players were kind of left to their own devices and they had to protect themselves that was happening before the public at large new and before mlb really did anything about it but it does show up in that pitcher pace data. Which is pretty intriguing. So I will link to that if anyone wants to check it out other than that all I have to say is pitchers. Stay healthy out there. It's it's dangerous right now. This is Kinda peak getting hurt in spring training time. I talked out. Show the other day about Luis Severino injury. Which happened after you and I spoke but there have been a couple of developments since that Chris sale probably won't be ready for opening day which Red Sox are. Claiming is not elbow but his pneumonia related late. Start TO SPRING RELATED. Cleveland Reliever Manual class. Say the centerpiece of Corey Kluber trade. He strained back. Muscle may be out for two or three months and then most recently. This is one that could be kind of crushing. This was just reported shortly before we started recording so we don't have details as we speak but griffin canning of the angels felt something in his elbow after his start on Wednesday and he is now scheduled to get an Mri on his elbow which Oh boy hits. One thing not to have added hitching to this off season than to lose canning. That would really be pretty devastating. 'cause when we did our angels previously talked to Fabian. I asked like okay. Who in this rotation could really step up? He mentioned canning. Canning was pretty good last year. And then if they lose canning that would be tough and just piles on to the litany of injuries and elbow injuries specifically that the angel seven dirt over the past few years. There were concerns about canning's elbow in the draft. I think that's part of why he wasn't picked in the first round. And then you had some Alpo issues last year too so this isn't coming out of nowhere but losing him would be a big blow. Yeah I feel like he was the guy who a lot of people looked at and thought know might be some upside in this rotation and if they can get some good starts. I still think that you know an Andrew Heaney Dylan Bundy rotation taking Mike Trout. Back to the postseason is like a a feel good story but it feels like an unlikely story so I'd prefer that Griffin be fine and help them out and just make it a little easier for our favorite center fielder to play October baseball again. Yes did last thing I have to say is that I saw report. That Ruben Amaro junior may be returning to the phillies sort of in that he is taking a position with NBC Sports Philadelphia in which he would be doing studio analysis for Pre game and post game shows and that just made me reflect on how unusual trajectory ribbon his head over the past decade like I would read a book about Ruben about her life since two thousand eight or so because he was hired or promoted to be. Gm of the phillies coming off of their world championship and then the Phillies were great. For years after that and then they fell off a cliff in declined very quickly and Amaro got a lot of the blame for that and by the time he was fired the phillies were terrible and he was sort of a punch line and then he goes from being. Gm SO GM of the best team in place. Paul maybe to one of the worst teams to then his first base coach phase. Which is like no one. Does that no one does. Gm to first base coach so he did First Base coaching for the Red Sox for a couple years. And then with the mets first season right and then I think he transitioned to a front office advisor role with the mets. Maybe and then now is covering the Philly is not running the phillies but talking about them. On Pre and post game shows would take guesses similar to. Maybe what Ned Colletti was doing with the dodgers because he was a champion then he became like a studio person which is odd. It must be a weird feeling to go from the person like making all the decisions to the talking about it and I guess both of those guys sort of fit into an earlier era of baseball executives. A little bit better than they do now. But it's a really odd and interesting trajectory and for him to go back to the field and take one of the less glamorous coaching positions. I kind of admired it. I was just watching an interview with him where he was talking about why he wanted to do that. And it was just like well. You really loves baseball. And he's been around baseball his whole life and was in the clubhouse growing up because his dad was playing and then he was playing and I think it appealed to him. Just going back to the field level and suiting up again and being around the team and the players. So it's kind of Nice that he wasn't like Hey. I've been a GM GONNA turn up my nose at this coaching opportunity. He sought it. He wanted to do it. I think Dave Dombrowski hired him because he read. That are always looking for coaching openings. Yeah I think that there is in a field that can generally and certainly lately be marked by Hubris. It's nice to see a Guy Spidla her little baseball. And I'm not above this. I just want to engage with the sport however I can so yeah. It's pretty cool. It's a it is a very. I can't think of another trajectory quite like it so I I also would read a book about that. That would be. The other oddity about Amaro is that he is a recurring character on the ABC sitcoms the Goldbergs. Which if you're aware that off so like he appears on the goldbergs. Sometimes but also Ruben. Amaro junior is a character of the goldbergs. Wait until he himself as a as an acting human like an actor type is like on this show and then his actual human person is a is a known entity in in the show but he is not playing himself right. I don't know if this is less stranger more strange. But he plays his dad on the show live our junior. Place Ruben. Amaro senior the goldbergs. I just need more volunteer. I can help snow. Sorry Ruben Amaro senior. I didn't mean he'll sit down with my son loves a trip. And we love Ruben. Amaro Junior Ruben. Amaro senior but this committee is ladies. Only he just makes occasional cameos as Ruben Amaro senior. But Ruben Amaro. Junior is like a regularly recurring minor character on the show because the show is set in Philadelphia in the eighties and Ramirez a prominent young athlete at the time. And so I I think that Amaro like went to the same school as the producer. Who's own upbringing? The show is based on and so it's just a character and I think every time he is mentioned on the show he has mentioned according to his full name. Ruben Navarro Junior and also the actor who plays Ruben harsh shooting around the show is Nico Corrado who is the son of Everyday Eddy. Gordo so it's just like one of the strangest baseball stories so this would be great chapter. In the Ruben. Amaro junior memoir. Wow so this is like this is like one. Madonna appears in films and then her music is playing in the background. That wow and also just the family. Are they baseball family in the show like what? How is there so much opportunity for any generation of Ruben? Tomorrow's to be in the show like is that he's like on TV doing like a news conference. I don't watch regularly so I couldn't. Maybe it's because he went to the school of one of the characters could but he's been in nineteen episodes of the Golden Ribbon of junior. That is the fictional. Aw Ruben Amarah senior wait Ruben. Amaro junior playing senior. He has that been in as many episodes. He's been in only two two thousand eighteen episodes. So how yeah. That's just one of the more through the looking glass in the sport right now. So yeah. That's that's wild. Someone differ deal all right so we can take a quick break now and we'll be back with to Britain to talk about the was in those rows rival F. Yes mets Solo. Oh it is time to talk about the New York. Mets which is always an adventure and do that this year like last year. We are joined by Tim. Britton who covers mets for the athletic. Hello I guess what's going on. Well our general plan here is to cover some of the off the field storylines and then circle toward the field. I guess it's ambitious to assume that you can even separate those things with the mets and that you can just talk about the baseball with that talking about all the other things that around the baseball. But let's try to start farthest away from the field and then maybe we'll get closer as we go. So the failed sail over the winter to Steve Cohen. What's your understanding of what sabotage that? Whose fault was it if it was someone's fault and for mets fans. Who are sick of the Wilkins? Should they be disappointed that this didn't happen or hopeful that something will happen? Yeah I mean my understanding of what fell through. There was that you know they. They kind of came to terms on agreement in which the wilpon would have some control over the franchise over the five year period over a five year period while Steve Cohen paid a lot of money up front and I think Steve Cohen thought that was going to be very much of a figurehead idea whereas where he would have the actual saying things and the Wilpon did not view it that way And so there was kind of a mix up in communication Where Cohen assumed it was one way and the Wilpon kind of adhered to the letter of the deal. Mix of communication with the mets. I know in that happens every once in a while. Yeah and so at this point you know. The the mets are for sale. The wilkens looking to sell and not as rigid in wanting to have a kind of five year transition period. Which you know when that news of that deal came out in December was always kind of a weird sticking point we've seen transitions before an ownership but five years is a long period of time. And they're getting a lot of money upfront. From Steve Cohen so their willingness to sell and to cede control more immediately is probably still good news for mets fans. But at least mets fans who don't want the wilpon which I think is a large majority there but you know no one really knows at this point who is going to emerge as a buyer weather. Steve Cohen. Our business reporter. Dan Kaplan at at the athletic reported of kind of the specter of Steve Cohen. Still haunts these negotiations because he put up such a large bid two point six billion dollars for what was what was an imperfect amount of control at that point whether anyone else will outbid that number and if they don't whether Cohen comes back into the fold so I think that's a story that's going to be kind of on the playing on in the background of the METS SEASON. But like you said doesn't impact the onfield stuff as much this year but is is still the biggest story about the franchise moving forward. I guess the other the story is that despite not getting a world series when from the bargain the mets did get embroiled in the Astros signed stealing scandal. I'm curious we can kind of take this a couple of different ways. Obviously they were enthusiastic about hiring Carlos Beltran. They seemed very sad to see him. Go but Luis. Rojo suspen minor league manager and a quality control coach. I'm curious what his relationship with brody and the front offices like. And whether the mets may have mistaken their way into a better managerial higher by I going with Beltran but then getting to bring us yeah. I think you can make a case that that row houses more qualified for the managerial position than Beltran was given the decade of Experience. He had in the minor leagues the familiarity. He has with a lot of the players on this roster in particular you know he was the quality control coach last year in the major leagues. So almost everyone on this mets roster has worked with Louis Rojo's in some capacity. You know what they liked about Beltran. Maybe more so than Rojo's was clearly a big splash. Which is something that the mets tend to think about and I think they like to his ability to handle the media. You know he'd been a star player for a long time in in this market. He understood what it was like to talk to reporters on a regular basis. If not the twice a day every day basis that a manager does and then Beltran went out and didn't handle the media particularly well right after the the Astros signed stealing scandal broke and you know the instant credibility that a player of his stature would bring into the clubhouse was compromised by his involvement there so I thought they really couldn't continue with Beltran and that was a you know. A lot of mets fans thought at the time in January that they could get through that with him and I think now everyone agrees that they made the right decision to to move forward without him and in row house they have a guy. Like I said has. The familiarity with the roster has the respect of the clubhouse. It's really just a matter of what's he going to be like on a day to day basis. Can he handle the media spotlight in a way? That Mickey callaway struggled with often in his two years here and can he be enough of his own presence Outside of the ownership and the general manager Bert Van Wagon like they have a good relationship right now but can he be his own independent presence. Because I think there was a lot of thought with callaway that he was saying things you know he had to be kind of the mouthpiece of the front office or of ownership in a way that is difficult for a manager to do in Russia's needs to be independent and his own guy his own authentic guy to succeed here The way they hope everyone has a good relationship in February right. I'm curious that you know. Obviously Beltran was the only guy from the two thousand Seventeen Astros Team. That is part of the mets organization. Now and I'm curious what camp has been like for guys like Jack Moore Snake and JD. Davis who were both on that team? What is the clubhouse response to those Guys Ben? And how is the team sort of managed the distraction? Obviously as as Astros related distractions. Go those guys are probably pretty low on the. But what has the effect then for them in spring? Yeah I wouldn't say there's anything discernible. There's no real tension there and first of all with Davis it's different than with resnick. Has Davis was here last year? She's a smaller bit player on the two thousand seventeen astor's as well and didn't play particularly well for them and you know he bonded in the clubhouse last year. He's one of the most outgoing guys in that. Clubhouse has a lot of friends and had a breakout season so I don't think there was any any real chance that that players would turn on him for his part in it. Resnick has to kind of earn that credibility over the course of the season. You know not only did he play for the twenty seventeen astros. That is his career. Best season in sparked mainly by eye-opening home road splits. His Homo Pius was greater than a thousand the rest of his career. The opium spent six fifty. You know I've dug into the numbers with the help of the sign. Stealing website and heuristic was having a good season at home even before they started banging on trash cans but still renders some of that success. A little bit questionable. In retrospect so. I think you know there hasn't been any clubhouse tension but certainly risen custody a little bit more than Davis does to earn the trust in that room because he got more out of it. In two thousand seventeen speaking at the clubhouse clubhouse itself briefly became a story this spring training because the team showed up and writer showed up in. Hey the places remodeled new clubhouse looks great and then we found out that the mets will not be letting their minor leaguers use that clubhouse during the regular season when it's their home park because they've got to earn it and they're just Bush leaguers and don't deserve to have nice things but I wasn't clear on really was what exactly the condition of the clubhouse for the minor leaguers is and did that get remodeled also or are they just sticking them in some wholesome her underground or are they going to reconsider that policy given the strong response to it. They're they're just changing on the bus this year. Now the the Minor League clubhouses also new and remodeled the mets. They're complex in Port Saint Lucie. They basically renovated the entire wing where the players are new way room whole new clubhouse meeting rooms and all that so the Major League club is very nice. It's just as Nice as the city field clubhouse but bigger because there's more players more lockers and all that The Minor League clubhouse is nice and new. It's just small. It's about the same size as you would see for Minor League clubhouses in you know the ones I've been at in a ball AA AAA. Most of them are not particularly large in this one follows suit so yeah it it seems if you have the room why not use it? I don't know what happens when a if there's ever a major leaguer rehabbing there if you distresses in this massive clubhouse by himself all twenty four teammates get get dressed in a more cramped room down the hall. It seems like you should probably use that space if you have it. But I'm not the one making those decisions. I swear we're going to move onto actual baseball stuff in a second here but we do have one more. This is sort of a smaller story. They lost among all the other offseason stories but this winter the team let go of a couple of analysts that they brought in just a year prior and part timer consulting roles and. I'm curious if this is just usual. Front Office Journo. People come and go every year or if it signals something broader about the front offices approached. Analytics are how they're constructing that part of the organization. Yes so it would. I've heard you know it's like Russell Carlton who moved on after being there for a year Russell was not a full-time guy in New York. And the mets wanted to concentrate more on full-time guys in New York. I think you can make a case. Why can't you also have a guy like Russell Not in New York? In addition considering I doubt he was making like four and a half million dollars or anything like that you know he was the I don't know the gory mathematical details of his salary. But it does seem like this scenario. The mets are investing more than they. Did you know two years ago at the end of two thousand eighteen? They had three full time members of their analytics department which was about as few as any in any team in baseball. They're up to like seven or eight. Now last. I heard Which is better but still not on par with the best teams in baseball the most analytical teams in baseball and it seems like an area that it doesn't cost that much to invest there and when the mets is often come out and say you don't need to spend the most on players that that's not necessarily how you win but you do need to spend on other aspects if you're not spending it all on players they don't always followed that train of thought so. I said I do have one more front office related question which is the. Obviously these changes weren't the only ones that got made this off season. So Jessica Mendoza had some controversial comments about Mike. Fires as the science dealing scandal was unfolding. She has since stepped down as a mets adviser. Organizations seems to have a comfortable relationship. I guess we could say with potential conflicts of interests and I'm curious if there's been any effort internally to resolve some of those or to at least face them in a perhaps more honest way then they have been in the past or if this is just up yes so you know obviously it starts with Van Wagon who in his first offseason recused himself from all are from all negotiations within arbitration. Not just with guys that he had dealt with his former clients that ca had dealt with his former clients. But with all of the mets. And then I think there was a thought that he would not be part of the negotiations with Jacob degrom for contract extension but he was very much active in that that negotiation and when they came to terms with degrom you know eleven months ago on a on a long-term deal And then you had Mendoza who you know like other people in Baseball. You Know David Rawson. Alex Rodriguez had been in similar. Spots was in. Espn broadcaster while also being a part of their front office. The difference was I think the mets thought of her is taking more of an active role in the front office. Then some you know. Rodriguez and Ross seemed more like ambassadors for the same way that Pedro Martinez for the Red Sox. You know he'll hang around spring training. He'll do a little look at some pictures but he's not exactly in the room when you're making trade deadline decisions and the thought was that. Mendoza would be you know part of the decision making process if not as much during the season that ended the off season the GM meetings the winter meetings and that kind of thing and it seems it never really evolved to that point that she wasn't that active especially during the season in in what they were doing as a front office. I think with the the blowback you kind of. Got to a point where she was either going to be a broadcaster or a part of the mets office. You know the day. She's criticizing Mike Fires on the air. We're talking van wagon about letting Carlos Beltran go and he's saying you know she made those comments as broadcast or not as a member of the mets front office and identity is not that you can't have ourselves quite that way as much as we would like to so. I think you know moving on from her. I think that's probably a good move for both of them because she couldn't really do both roles well the same time. Well I think we finally covers all of the offseason stories all the off the field stories at least now we can transition to the other fields stories when reason why it took so long to get to this point is that A. It's the mets so there are many strange stories but also there weren't that many baseball related stories in terms of transactions. This winter it was mostly minor moves. It was depth rotation moves Portillo and Waka and don't Betances came in and we mentioned Marines Nick and that's about it. There weren't really any major impact moves made and I'm curious whether you think that is just wilpon. Midoff fall out and restricting spending for that reason the many mets fans who have been ven mowing. Brodie van Wagon in small amounts of money according to the New York. Times certainly seem to think so or was there not an obvious fit for one of these free agents? Is there some glaring Holmer? You can say how were they not in the bidding for that. Guy? Yeah I mean. I think if this were a team that spent a at its market value of the Yankees. Yeah they would have been a bit more involved on retaining Zack Wheeler Maybe even getting a higher ceiling starter guys like Priscilla and Wocka. They could've talked about a big time third baseman. Whether it's rent or Donaldson they could have talked about trading for mookie betts an filling a decade-long void that they've had center field but this is not that franchise so they go. They finished the second half very well last year. At the the second best record in the National League after the All Star break behind the dodgers the best second half record of a team. That didn't make the playoffs in thirty nine years since the the orioles who won like one hundred games when they didn't make the playoffs so they feel really good about how they play in the second half. Of course it helped when you had both wheeler and Marcus stroman in the rotation. They've kind of pitched Stroman as wheelers replacement ignoring the fact that they were under five hundred when they had just one of them in there you know. I think they've made the team better. In some aspects I think batanes is a really nice addition to the bullpen. As long as he's healthy he's been one of the best relievers in baseball for five or six years now and gives you another higher high ceiling guy there in case at Wendy's doesn't bounce back from last season in case Jerry's familiar isn't any better than he was last season in case stuff. Lou can't be the same person he was last year. You know you just kind of want to have as many guys as you can to bet on in a bullpen. But I think the starting rotation will probably take a step back not not just because they they lose wheeler but they lose wheelers potential because I think he would have probably projected him to be a little bit better this year than he actually was on the field last year. Yeah and wheeler came out not too long ago and was critical of how the mets handled or didn't handle his agency. He said essentially that they never got back to him. He said he wasn't surprised. Because it's them mattel they roll so was there some reason that they thought that they didn't want to go after him specifically Sometimes when a team knows the player well they might knows something concerning about immer his health her his potential or something or was it just well. We have rotation depth. I'm wondering because of course they did. Trade for Marcus Stroman. So that was sort of a a move that was pitched toward twenty twenty before twenty twenty. But could they have instead of going. And getting Portillo in walk-in pretentious and some of these sort of if he guys who might be good but have some serious concerns about them. Could they just have put that money towards if not wheeler just a dependable second tier starter because there were quite a few of those guys available this winter? Yeah I mean I I think the the minute. They traded for Stroman once we got to August first and they had stroman wheeler and Noah syndergaard all on their roster still. It was very unlikely. They're going to bring three of those guys back for twenty twenty and they decided that the market for Syndergaard At least the Trademark. It wasn't as robust as they had hoped. They couldn't kind of make a blockbuster deal that for a win now player. They wanted to do with him. And then wheeler the free agent market. You know especially with the second half that he had for the second straight year really good second half that market just got way more expensive. They were willing to go. You know I think Zack Wheeler Guy. They probably could have signed too much team friendlier extension whether it was the summer of two thousand eighteen or last or the offseason before twenty nineteen or earlier in two thousand nineteen but once he got close enough to free agency you know he could see the dollar signs piling up In a different kind of way for him and it kind of speaks to the skepticism around the industry about the mets. Getting the most out of their pitchers that so many teams saw in Zack Wheeler a guy who had you know league average. Era last year. A guy capable of being so being better with a better defense behind him with a more a better framework behind the plate with maybe better pitching coaching let circle back to the bullpen for a second. I've a couple of questions here in the first is let's let's talk about Matanzas. I'm curious I know he just started facing life batters. What is the state of his health right now? And how much are the the mets actually expecting him to pitch this year yes? He's a little bit behind the rest of the relievers in terms you know. He's not like appearing games at this point right I think the thought is that you know with with relievers in particular that you don't have to build up quite as much in spring training is you do. If you're a starting pitcher or a you know a guy who wants forty fifty at bats and spring. I think there's still a chance that he is ready for opening day but he probably has to get in games within the next week or two before you start to feel confident with that. I their belief is that he will be. You'll be there for most of the season if not all of the season off of the the Achilles injury but you never know that until you actually get into the season but I think they. They think he's a little bit behind everyone else. But in terms of a reliever about as healthy as they come and let's talk about Edwin D as a notice very rude to expect you to be able to prognosticate on reliever performance but this bullpen was pretty disastrous. At times last year we had them twenty-fourth in war. Relief Corps has diaz made any noticeable changes in his approach. Or is he trying to just get back to sort of the the stuff that he was doing when he was pitching so well in Seattle? He pitched yesterday for them. As a reformed mariners fan. It was very sad to see him falter so strongly last year. What are your expectations for? Diaz? I mean last. Year was so strange for him because a lot of the peripheral numbers still looked really good guy who still struck out about forty percent of opposing hitters. Which you don't expect from a guy with a five six era It seemed like you know he would throw two great sliders and then hang one that got hit for a home run gave him fifteen home runs which is more than I think he'd given up in any other. Two seasons of his career combined So I think there's there's reasons to think that a lot of last year was fluky. Laghi wasn't going it's not like it's strictly bad luck that he wasn't twenty eighteen at windy as that's not the only difference but it's bad luck that instead of having like a respectable three eight reform era it was five six and it was one of the main reasons to mets finished three games out of the playoffs so I think you know his arm angle looked a little bit different in that first spring outing but I hesitate to jump too much into that because it's the first one and because it's spring training television action. I'm not sure how much to read into that but otherwise I think it's just a matter of getting confidence back in his slider. Where at least the bad ones aren't hung. They're not just in the middle of the plate that he can. He can use that because what what happened. Eventually guys just started. Either you know if the slider was down the middle they were swinging if not they're laying off of it And that got him in. Trouble counts where he's thrown. We had to throw fastball. Became one pitch pitcher for stretches of last season and even with as electrical fastballs he has. He can't survive like that. Yeah that was such a confounding season. I think Salmon. I talked about it at some point late last year because we were trying to put ourselves in the place of the manager who has a pitcher like he has and you have to decide. Do I still trust him or not. And you look at some of the numbers that are great or even the projections that are great. And then you look at all the home runs and you think boy that could be bad luck but she keeps happening over and over and over again. And when you're watching it up close and fans are writing about it that it's hard to sort of stick to it and say hey trust in the bigger sample or something. So how long do you think his leashes? Now because The mets went into last season expecting to have this dominant back in the bullpen. With Familia and the S. and then that really didn't happen. And it was seth. Lugo who became the go-to dependable guys? So do you think Lugo could displace Diaz things start out shaky for the as or? Is there just so much? I guess organizational weight behind the as because of that trade and him being the centerpiece of it and not wanting to concede defeat essentially that there might be some pressure on Roy. Hoste keep him in that role yes so they've got some really interesting decisions to make the bullpen. I think entering spring training the ninth inning closer's role is Edwin D as to lose if he has a lot of outings like his first one in which he got hit pretty hard a lot of hard contact. He may very well lose it. I think it'd be difficult to go into the regular season with him as you're closer If he's not looking particularly good in spring training you know. He was booed at the Spring Training Facility for his outing on Wednesday. I don't think that translates well. The city field if he has a bad one or early in the season and you could you know if that happens. I think you've got to build him up. I thought it was a little strange last year that they were they were slow getting him out of high leverage situations because even when he wasn't closing all the time that we're using him in the eighth inning and bigger spots it just seemed like they didn't adapt to his struggles as quickly as they could have to. Maybe cut them off. Give them a chance to work his way. Back into form in seventh innings of more spread out games though they tried that. Jerry's familiar didn't really work With Lugo you know. He showed last year that he can be a very good late. Inning reliever with strangers. You know he's a guy who can go through a lineup. Little bit deeper. He's got capable of pitching two innings. Guy Who could probably be early average starter if they wanted him to be that at this point and who would like to be that himself and they've talked a little bit about him as potentially an opener for whether it's Stephen Matt's Michael Walk at the back of the rotation a guy who can pitch to really good innings at the start of a game rather than at the end There's different ways to. It's kind of deciding what is the best way you want to deploy? Seth Lugo also in in terms of who you want your closer to. Because he's you're closer than he's a little bit less flexible than he would. Otherwise be as maybe a six out fireman at the start at the end of games. And then you've got pretentious. How healthy is Justin? Wilson was really good for them down the stretch and he's got a little bit of closing experience but I don't know necessarily buy into him as as the best guy in this bullpen. Let's maybe run through the battery of potential injury issues. Hissing this roster going into the season because I think the last couple of weeks have been a bit scary for some mets fans so jd Davis has a shoulder issue. Maybe Brandon Nimmo had cardiac tests yesterday on the advice of team doctors and got pulled. Although that seems to not have been super serious. What's the latest on those two and Should mets fans expecting them on opening day or are these injuries that might linger or issues? I should say might linger into the season. Two additional cardiac testing is minor TIKI. Harry scary. It's like taking minor surgery or someone else to another level but it does you know it's it's not a who was a brad wick with the cubs where it wasn't actual cardiac procedure. We'll we'll we'll see equitable days whether this is anything really concerning with Nimmo with Jd. Davis you know it was. It was kind of a classic. Mets reveal that his Emory revealed no new structural damage with that adjective new doing a lot of work That there was some some issues with his Labor him that he had been asymmetric about Didn't know about so. I think their thought is that you know he might miss. A couple of games here But he shouldn't miss too much in terms of workout action and all that And so could should still be ready for opening day. We're at that point spring where you can still miss a little bit of time and get back but you probably can't miss like more than a week or so of game action and feel ready And that you know Davis probably as their opening day left fielder but they have a little. Bit of flexibility there With Dominic Smith is a guy who played a lot there last year. These not like the injury. He's not the guy that can least afford to miss. Though the way he played down the stretch was really I opening for them in the second half and then I guess to just continue the outfield injury parade. Are we gonna see you on a suspicious play baseball in Queens so this year? I think it's clear now that I would have really at any point since last. May when we found out about the additional ankle injuries suffered on his ranch in adventurous fashion. Looks like a major league ready hitter in batting practice and all that I think if the mets were an American league team I would feel very confidence and this is a guy who could d. h. for them if not opening day than at least early in the season but they are not in the American League. If they were it would have solved so many of these teams issues right now but we haven't seen suspect as in the outfield. We haven't seen him running around. I don't think he's running really in straight lines for long distances yet. He's kind of doing zigzag running and getting some a little bit more pressure on his ankle. Now So we'll get a sense for where he is defensively over the next couple of weeks and I think that will tell us more about how viable a major league player. He is in twenty twenty if he's just a. There's a chance now that he can be kind of a pinch hit weapon off the bench guy who doesn't start very often for you. Maybe starts in American league parks. But you use late in games to hit for guys which you know. You've got an extra bench player this year you can carry that a little bit more easily than in the past but if he can actually play the field that gives them a little bit of a you know that gives them another right handed bat in the lineup. Which is something they could use to complement. Pita Lonzo and lengthens out this line up just a little bit more zigzag. The best way to avoid hogson boers of various sorts of the preferred running pattern there and linebackers in tecmo superbowl. If I remember left me assessment has played appearances. More or less likely than tebow played appearances. Oh much much more. I think I don't know if you WANNA dive into Tibo. But his chance was two years ago and I. I don't think it's coming again. Yeah I I saw some tweets about Tim. Tebow opening date leftfielder just this week on twitter just because the injuries seem to be picking up but then I also saw tweets about how he was like literally the worst hitter in AAA last year. That's not what you want so yeah. Currently the seventh. Most popular prospects are fan grass right now that makes sense so you mentioned how this team a lot of issues might be solved if it were in the AL and it's not and one of the issues that this team has is that it has a bunch of the type players. I guess you have to play. The field. Defense has not been a lot of the mets. I think they were thirteenth in the League in defensive efficiency last year and the players haven't really changed a whole lot and that could be an issue because you have guys like Portillo in Walken Stroman. These higher pitched to contact pitchers at least by the standards of today so is they're concerned about the defense. Is there anything they can do about the defense? They know that you recently wrote about how Wilson Ramos has dropped to one knee to try to improve his framing. Which Gary Sanchez also did across town? That seems to be all the rage among catchers these days but beyond that is there much you can do and could that be a problem for the team. Yeah I mean I remember looking at this in in late two thousand eighteen and then again really last season like there wasn't a clear solution to their long-term defensive woes And they haven't found one yet. you can look at them right now And they're they're infield is like they'll replace. Todd Frazier at third base. Who was about league averaged defensively last season And had been better than that previously with Jeff McNeil who I think Could Be League. Average or better at third. That could be an improvement though. Mcneil is basically the only plus defender they have though. He's a plus defender virtually every position. It's just too bad. They can't clone him defensively The outfield is probably going to be worse. Because with some of the injuries they had last year they ended up playing a fair amount of of one. Lagaras and center fielder Carlos Gomez in Centerfield. And now it'll be brandon nimmo there most of the time a behalf. Jake Moore is nick as a defensive replacement will see even more I think of. Jd Davis and Dom Smith in left field than we did last year. The hope is with more adequate preparation for that role over the off season. They'll be better at it than they were last year. This time last year the mets did not play either of those guys in the outfield in spring training and they'd come to campus kind of Smith is a first Baseman Davis as a first baseman third. Baseman So they've got a little bit more exposure out there a lot more experience. I don't know that they'll necessarily be better because they were not very good out in the outfield last year. And if they're they're on a consistent basis or with cesspit as because who knows how he'll be defensively Left field is probably not a strong suit. The good news is a med. Rosario was a terrible defender really the first six weeks of the season or so was cut. Cost them something. Like ten defensive runs by mid-may and then for the rest of the season was essentially league average. So he's got the hope is he can be kind of the league average defender for the whole of the twenty twenty season and then. Peter Lonzo was a lot better than expected at first base if he stops kind of going after balls in the whole that Are Rack the second basements? Then he'll be you know at least a league average if not a slightly plus first baseman which is not what the scouting report was on him just a year or two ago. A couple of questions related to the farm system. And I'm sorry mets fans. This might be a little bit painful for you so obviously this group is than are at the top than it used to be because of graduations and also because of a couple of these deals we have seen the Matt Spe- sort of resistant historically to scouting the lower levels of the miners and they've had some departures in on the international side of things. I'm curious what the organization's approach is going to be going forward. Sort OF BACK FILLING. The you know the lack of depth in their system as a result of some of these traits to try to compete. Now do you see them starting to go further down to the minor leagues to try to acquire guys to help down the road? Do you think they're gonNA stay as active internationally As they have in the past what sort of the organizational approach to prospects right now. Yeah I think on the international level. They're you know. Omar MNAYA IS BACK IN THE ORGANIZATION. Doing a lot of that work now and they. They hope he can be as successful there. As as the they'd been recently with a guy like med. Rosario Ronnie Marito who's their top prospect and the top hundred guy Few years ago Francisco Alvarez catcher whose only eighteen is probably the highest ceiling prospect in the minors right now and some people consider him a top hundred guys. Well at this point we saw a little bit of the domestic strategy Last last June in the draft when they decided to to kind of bet gamble their fourth through tenth around picks on their on their ability to sign Matthew Alan a first round talent who fell to the third round because of sign ability concerns to kind of add another high ceiling prospect and they succeeded in that regard in landing Allen. So that got kind of you know the baby is the eighth overall. Pick they got allen down in the eighties so they felt really good about their draft hall last June pretty well recently under the current amateur scouting regime. I'm interested in seeing. They have the extra third round. Pick the extra pick around that area after the second round because of wheeler signing in Philadelphia if they try to adopt a similar strategy if that's strategies even implementable beforehand or if you kind of have to play it by ear during the actual course of the draft but that's one way for them to try to amass as much talent as possible as much high end talent as possible in the lower levels where you know. Most of their valuable prospects are at this point. I guess we left Jed Lowrie out of our Intrigue Brigade breakdown. So what's his status in Prognosis? Left out of the injury conversation. The same way he was largely left out of the two thousand. Nineteen mid season lowery. Still you know he. He dealt with soreness in his left knee in February of last year. And then made nine plate appearances. All season did not play an inning. Defensively because of a cascade of injuries off of that He's back in spring training. Hasn't been in a game yet. But he's been in all of the workouts these kind of a Full Participation Guy. I guess if this is like a football parlance but he's wearing an enormous brace on his left leg. That goes basically from the middle of his tied down to his shin. It's the largest brace that I have seen an athlete. Where the scene even football players even offensive Lineman or not wearing braces the size. So I think it's a matter of whether he feels comfortable wearing that in an actual game. I don't know what he can do if he's not wearing it because he was still having issues with his leg in the off season ten months after initially feeling the pain in his leg so I I think there's still a little bit confused as to exactly what's going on and how best to move forward so I think with him it's even though he's a head of Cessna's in the protocol in the process right now i. I feel like it's harder to say when or if he'll contribute to this team on the field in the regular season. That is for even suspect as the mets went from an eighty two year. Old Pitching coach Phil Regan to thirty-three-year-old pitching coach. Jeremy Hefner that's gotta be some sort of record you recently wrote about. Hefner so how may do things differently? What does he bring to the team? Yes they they've really overhauled their their whole pitching coach position and strangely enough. It's not because they went from from Regan to hefner's they went from Dave Island The start of last season. Who is more of an old school traditional? Rub some dirt on it. Kind of pitching coach To hefner who is more well versed in the analytical side of things I went over to two twins camp last week to talk to a bunch of pitchers who worked with with hefner. They're you know they made the same point. You Know Ben. I don't know if you've heard about the word conduit up between the Front Office and the Dugout. That was a word that was used. There is a guy who understands what the analytics are. But then tells it to you in a way that you as a player understand kind of regardless of your knowledge of analytics you know the twins have guys like Trevor. May who know a lot about it And they can really dug in deep with him. We got some other guys who are less interested in it on the surface. He's able to explain it to them. In a way that you know they could understand and take to the field and used productively. So I think that's the hope is that they have that that better communication between pitching coach and the pitchers at able to get the most out of their pitchers. Like we were talking about wheeler there was still the belief in the Industry. That the mets were not maximizing Zach wheelers talent and certainly with Noah syndergaard that same skepticism exists across baseball. That Noah syndergaard were to go to the Houston Astros. Tomorrow he would be Garrett Cole or something like that and this guy had a four three array for them last year So I think their hope is with hefner onboard the gut debris Jeremy Accardo in the middle of last season as an the pitching strategist then in the assistant pitching coach now. They've kind of advanced. They've got more advanced camera work on the road and all the Rep Soto and enter. Tonic stuff That that they can be more in line with the rest of the industry and get the most out of their pitchers in a way they may be weren't for time last couple years. We're going to force you to predict their record in a second. But I WANT TO ASK US. More general Competitive Landscape Question We're projecting the mets for eight wins at Fan Graphs. We have them well in the thick of their race but they're obviously in a very competitive division. I'm curious how they view themselves positioned this year and then going forward. Yeah so we haven't heard Brodie van wagging issue the kind of come get us edicts that he did last off season about about the National League East. So He's been a bit more humble about it. This is a good and deep division. The braves made the jump last season. That the people that the mets were in office did not expect them to make from Ninety Winston Ninety seven and then obviously the nationals won the world series. So it's a it's a difficult division. Probably the deepest. I don't know if it's the deepest in the National League. The central has a bunch of good teams too. But you know if the mets were in a different division that eight win ceiling would be the idiot when mark would feel a little bit closer to being at the top of the Division that maybe it does here but I think this is a team that they're not looking to time when they're competitive with the rest of their division if were They probably took a few years off. Because Atlanta looks very well positioned for the next several years So they van wagon and always says win now and in the future And they seem leaning more heavily on the win now right now and seeing how it plays out over the next year or so right. Twelve make prime deal with the projected number there. But you do not have to agree. So how many wins? Do you foresee for the mets in two thousand twenty. Yeah it's interesting because all of the off field drama that they've had in the in the winter is kind of obscured that this is probably the most talented team they've brought to spring training. Maybe in a decade. I think you can make a case. The two thousand sixteen team off of the pennant was talented as this team. But other than that. I think you're really going back to two thousand nine. And the Primes of of David Wright and Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran Carlos Delgado all of those guys hurt that season and they lost ninety games but this is probably a you know as talented teams. They've had since then. That said I think the defensive issues or something that don't show up on paper as much when you're looking at kind of this lineup versus Atlanta's lineup Washington's lineup for phillies lineup. And there are some people on this roster that are worry a about what an injury to Wilson Ramos does to this team. Because there's such a big drop off between him and the next person you have in Tomasz Neto as your backup catcher. You worry you know if you lose a Jacob degrom or Noah syndergaard or Marcus Stroman for any considerable length of time. That really changes your outlook on this team. And you're you're hinging a lot of your your bets too much improved bullpen. And and that's always difficult to to feel confident about so. I think they're probably end up somewhere similar to where they were last year. They want eighty six last year. I think probably take a more linear path to it. Rather than the a terrible first half awesome second half but I I'd probably settle on about eighty seven. Wins all right. Well you can read about the mets and hear about the mets at the athletic courtesy of Tim. You can also find him on twitter at Tim. Britain where you went from the Red Sox to the mets interest in one eventful news-making teams to another. Do you ever dream of going to cover the padres for awhile or someone. I don't think I could ever adapt to that at this point. It's too it's too late. I'm too far gone all right. Thanks Tim thanks real. Take a quick break now and we'll be right back with Ben. Nicholson Smith to talk about the Blue Jason Arrest all right. We are back to talk about the Toronto we Jays and do that. We're joined by another returning guest. Ben Nicholson Smith. Who covers the chase as Paul for sports net? Hey Ben Hey guys thanks me on. How's it going going alright? So the pooches. Offseason FOCUS was constructing rotation because essentially there wasn't one went off season started and that was something that I was not as aware of as they should have been as the season went on. It's something salmon. I talked about in our end of the year pods. When we looked at the stories. We missed but which got starts from. Twenty one different pitchers last year. That is the most any team has ever had other than the Nineteen Fifteen Philadelphia athletics. And I assume that's partly openers but also just instability and fragility and not having dependable guys. So how did they go about building that rotation in? Why was the one that they decided to split John? Will if you look back to. Two Thousand. Nineteen the really needed to upgrade the rotation. This was a group that collectively had an era while above five. And it wasn't just the numbers. It was a constant scramble to try to find arms for this rotation. They turned that one point to a left handed knuckleballer in Ryan fear. Abend they were putting Edwin Jackson on the mound and Clayton Richard and Klay Buckles these veterans nearing the end of their careers so it was a constant battle and Charlie Montoya. At times would admit he didn't know who is going to start the next day he would even say. Were going to just just play by ear. We're going to have an opener and a guy or just going to do our best to come up with somebody and that's really what it felt like for all of last year. So that made the BLUEJAYS OFF SEASON. Roadmap really clear. They had to find a way to upgrade the rotation. And that was probably going to have to happen in free agency because it's tough to acquire really decent starting pitching and trades and there were a lot of pitchers out there on the free agent market. So these started by adding Chase Anderson ended up getting tanner roark in December at the winter meetings but they had been on review the entire time and they wanted to sign him. They engage with his agent. Scott Boris right from the very beginning of the winter in the hopes that he would seriously consider Toronto. They stayed on him made their pitch made a pretty aggressive offer at eighty million dollars and ended up landing him so he you know he doesn't singlehandedly transformed this team this rotation but it is a much different look than that group that we saw for two thousand nineteen and the reinforcement that we haven't talked about yet and that won't be. I assume with the team on opening day. But we'll be waiting in the wings. Is there a top prospect Nate Pearson? I'm curious one. You expect that we might see Pearson. And how he's going to change the complexion of this rotation going forward Rene Pearson. I mean you could make a case that he's someone who belongs on the Blue Jays pitching staff from day one on talent standpoint. It would be hard to argue that this hard throwing right hander. With a really impressive breaking ball and developing changeup who has dominated that the upper levels of the miners doesn't belong on this starting staff but he's not going to break camp with the team. He will start the season at AAA Buffalo. Some of that you can attribute to developmental reasons. I think green between the lines. It's pretty clear that serve. Time would be a factor here as well because Pearson is that level of prospect. So Ho- go to triple A. He'll try to build his way up there and if he does succeed the way he has so far in his minor league career then or could be a point in May there could be appointed in June where the Blue Jays need an arm and Pearson becomes that guy. So it'll be a lot of fun to watch. I mean he's a potential difference maker in this organization this rotation for a long time so there is a lot of optimism around what piercing can do. And you know selfishly. I hope he's up here pretty soon. Because he's he's going to be a lot of fun to watch once he does arrive in the majors. Yeah it seems like the organization's approach has been to try to find complementary talent to slot in around their young stars because they obviously have this really impressive young core coming up some of which has already arrived. In Vlad Junior and Boba shed and Kevin Beige some of which is coming down the pipe rate in Pearson. They still have some work to do. Obviously in this might be a little early in the podcast. This question but I'm curious. Given sort of the balance of young talent and some of the veterans they have on the team when they really expect to be back in the postseason conversation and in earnest way. I think you could see stuff breaking right in a particular way for this club and maybe being on the fringe of the wild card this year. But that seems pretty optimistic. So what's their realistic timeline for contention you? It would be a bit of a stretch to say that two thousand nineteen year where this team can contend not to say. It's impossible in the way that you could never really imagine that for the two thousand nineteen team but everything would have to break right for them to contend in two thousand twenty in two thousand and twenty one year from now. I think it's more realistic that this team might actually be contending. And they're in a tough division. No doubt about that. They need to find some solutions. Offensively in the outfield in particular. They need to have some success stories on their pitching staff and probably have somebody like an an Anthony K or a trend Thornton. Take a big step forward in two thousand twenty but if those things happen though the off season again with payroll flexibility the ability to do some things and trade in free agency and they do a pretty good farm system so they can trade from that. They haven't really parted with future talent in an aggressive way so far and I think that they're always going to be somewhat conservative when it comes to holding onto their best prospects but we can see that shift starting already and I think it will continue to the point. Where two thousand twenty one. That should be a season. That's winning and less a season that's about development right. 'cause LAST YEAR LAST SUMMER. Ross Atkins came out with the infamous years of control comment about how they acquired. Forty two years of Controller. Turn fourteen years of controlling the forty two years control which is one of those phrases. That's up there with financial flexibility when it comes to things that team executives brag about fens. Can't really get that excited about or can't put on the back of a jersey. At least and more. Recently as President Mark Shapiro was talking about where the team stands and he was saying that management has started to listen to our young players in just the power of their belief in each other and the belief in their potential sort of suggesting that they would be willing to upgrade but then also kind of downplaying expectations for this season. So I guess they are in the sort of transitional time what about in terms of ramping up spending and future financial flexibility. Since we're talking about that phrase at what point might they really start investing more in free agents and bringing the payroll up back to what it once was Deal was really significant in that. It showed that this front office and ownership combination is willing to spend able to spend on free agents. So that's a big step because previous to that their biggest free agent signing with Jay Hap. Thirty SIX MILLION DOLLAR DEAL. Their biggest commitment overall was randall. Creek fifty two million so they really hadn't been spending that aggressively in. Toronto is of course the team Canada. It's a pretty big market. Their payroll did get up to one. Sixty one seventy or so in two thousand sixteen when they were last a really competitive team. So it'll probably take a couple years for it to get back toward that territory. But according to the public comments the march for power was made. It sounds like that's a threshold at the Blue Jays will be confident getting to that. The support would be there from ownership you know. Of course we'll we'll have to see that to believe that but I do think the review deal does go along way toward reminding bluejays fans that this front office is willing and able to spend and we'll see how far that goes in the next couple of years. Yes so we are entering extension season and potatoes. Have all these promising young guys Bichette Bijou and Guerrero in Pearson? Do you expect to see any of them? Signed long term in the next month or so or within this year. Because it's something that the Should be thinking about to me. It's it's pretty clear that the Blue Jays should at least explore extensions with those players. I mean they're potentially star level players potentially superstar level players. At least you know in in a few of those cases so it makes all the sense in the world to have that conversation and to see if there's a fit on a deal that buys out a couple of free agent years or give the team a reasonable deal for what could be some potentially expensive arbitration season. So on paper makes all kinds of sense. Now would those players WANNA sign. I you know I don't know every players and individual and these guys come from a pretty unique set of backgrounds. I mean not only did some get pretty significant bonuses like Vlad's bonus I think for three and a half million dollars when he signed but they come from when in the cases of busy Oh and and be shot and Guerrero. They come from baseball families in very affluent background. So I'm not sure that it would be necessarily easy to really tempt these guys with some of the early career extensions that you see other zero to three players. Take you know. Understand the reasons for taking those deals beyond depending on a person's personal motivation personal situation there are cases where that makes sense. You know on paper. Is You look at it? It seems less likely that those guys would be easier to attempt but I think you have to have the conversation because there's the potential the huge advantage if you can lock them up beyond their six or seven years under club control attack about lad for a little bit. When he came up he was the number. One prospect in baseball are prospect analysts and described his bat as Messianic. And you know. I think people had really high expectations for him going into his rookie season and seemed to forget that you know baseball. Still hard even. If you're at the top prospect in baseball he got off to a kind of slow start and then really turned it on in July and August and then cooled in September. I'm curious how you think we should evaluate his rookie season and sort of how the fan base is looking at him. Obviously he's an incredibly talented player even with some slow months. So how are people thinking about lead? I think you can look at flat us. Rookie year in in a couple of different ways. I mean on the one hand. It's pretty clear that it didn't live up to expectations. Because he had you know relatively modest power numbers and he did struggle for extended stretches and he battled some injuries and his defense wasn't great so there were flaws. This was not a perfect rookie season. But when you consider just how high expectations were for Vlad. Then you know I think that it you have to soften that view a little bit. I mean he entered the season having just hit three eighty one in the upper minors. He had just turned twenty when the season started he was getting used to a new playing surface and you ballclub new teammates new travel everything that that any rookie deals with and alongside that just immense expectations being the son of a hall of Famer and the Best Prospect in baseball certainly The best prospect in recent memory. So he was dealing with a lot of expectations and he still was able to produce as an above average hitter so I he deserves some credit for that now where this leaves him for. Two Thousand Twenty. I think expectations are still high for the fan base and within the organization. People think that Vladi is someone who has the potential to be an elite header. Someone who just has incredible power really good plate discipline good basketball skills and you know we'll see what happens with the defense but he's someone who. I think continues to generate a lot of excitement and and rightfully so. Yeah the only real knock on him as a prospect coming up was the defense. This is the time of year when we hear about guys being in the best shape of their lives and I think there have been some justifiable concerns about the body and how that's going to affect his knees long-term in his ability to stick at third. So what what is sort of the state of leads conditionings one of those awkward questions that we kind of have to ask because this is a legitimate concern for him. Yeah I would agree make that it definitely is a legitimate concern when you think about the difference in value between a player who can take the field a hundred and forty five games and a guy who takes the field one hundred and ten games the difference between a designated hitter and first baseman and third baseman mean there. There's a lot at stake here. With respect to how well via junior can feel than how well he can stay on the field so that led to an off season for him of a lot of conditioning work. And according to some of the people who are really close to him including Charlie Montoyo and the team translator Hector Lebron GM Ross Atkins. They're all raving about how much work he was doing. And we all saw the instagram videos of of laddy working out both in in Dunedin Florida in in the Dominican where he spends part of his off season so he put in the work. You know is he. Is he in better shape right now. Like it's hard to tell I mean I think that the season ultimately going to be is going to reveal a lot from where I sat him now in Toronto. I'll be down in spring training in pretty short order but you can only tell so much through video and even once I'm there it's not like there's there's a limit how much you can actually see the conditioning of these players. So all we know. Is that the people close to Vlad say he's in better shape but the the season is is a long test and Vlad admitted at the end of last year. He was tired at times. That was one of the reasons he wanted to hit the gym and he wanted to work out so much but he is still a big guy and that will take a toll on his knees. So that's that is one of the big questions for Vlad and for this organization going forward when MLB put out it stat. Caste-based infield outs above average flat was dead last on that list of one hundred thirty nine players if he is that poor defender than you know. It's hard to be a superstar. If you are literally the worst player worse defender Baseball at your position and then of course maybe you start talking about well this just become a d. h. At some point and if he does become d. h. than he really has to rake to the star player which I think people still expect him to obviously but if there wasn't any other concern about him in that first year I guess it was that he did hit a lot of ground policy. He seemed to have just sort of low launch angle stroke and that is unfortunate when you hit the ball as hard and as far as he can as we all saw homerun Derby. So I don't know if that's just general adjustments. He was a little bit better at the plate in the second half of the season. Are they talking about any sort of swing adjustments or is it just well? We all thought he was going to be one of the best sitters baseball from the get-go last year. So let's give it more time will. There's no doubt about it. Vladi was hitting more ground balls than the blue jays would have wanted him to. And when you're a player with that much power you want to be hitting it over the wall or at least up in the air in in some in some form in garages didn't do a ton of that in two thousand nineteen but at least according to the people who I've spoken to about this the senses that a lot of it came down to pitch selection so instead of having to remake his swing. People believe in the swing. They think this this swing is going to play. And it's going to generate all kinds of power and and really really big numbers for the Blue Jays but it comes down to laying off the pitches that he can't drive really trying to target pitches that he can drive and we saw at some points in the last year where there were moments that Vlad would expand the strike zone unnecessarily. He would get frustrated with the call that an empire had made loses. Focus a little bit and an end up chasing Or making bad contacts so I think on a human level. That's really understandable. He's twenty years old struggling for the first time. Probably ever on a baseball field and doing it in front of a lot of eyeballs so to get a little frustrated in that situation. I think is very understandable. But now he's got the chance to adjust and you know he's the Blue Jays expected he can do that especially if he does a better job of targeting the pictures that he really wants to drive. Yeah and so the Guy Playing Vlad's left in the infield heads zero problem suggesting typically pitching and in fact seemed to get better once he got promoted from AAA that is Boba Shit who was just really on a rape basis one of the better players in baseball from the day. He got to Toronto and I was not quite expecting what he did. Because you look at his AAA stats and they were not remarkable last year even with the juice aaa ball and then he comes up to the majors in hits three eleven three fifty eight five seventy one. So how sustainable is that should people be projecting? Okay that's what it is and now we can just extend it over a full season or should there be some sort of not sophomore slump but just a little bit of aggression coming there. It really was an incredible season for Boba shot and to expect him to replicate. Those numbers would probably be a lot. I mean to have a three eleven average nine thirty P. S. as a rookie. I don't think the bluejays are counting on that. But if he could even go out there and have A. Ps over eight hundred play steady defensive shortstop which he was able to do in two thousand nineteen offer up a little bit of power. You've got some speed there. I think that would be a really valuable player on one that the blue jays would be thrilled to have at shortstop for the foreseeable future. So I think he's going to help with his bat. He's it's definitely not a fluke that he would provide some sort of offensive value but at the same time. I don't think anyone's expecting beset to replicate those numbers. Exactly but certainly. There's a lot of optimism and bichette is someone who seems to thrive in the spotlight. He seemed to really enjoy being in the majors. He seemed completely undaunted by the challenges that came along with with being in the major league so all of that is to his credit and would suggest that he definitely belongs right up there with. Laddy as far as cornerstones for this blue jays franchise. I don't want to neglect the third member of the trio of young promising sons of major leaguers. So I know if be xio gets a little less mentioned. Just because Vlad was expected to be so great and then came up was so great and was quite good in his own right. How does he sort of S- Latin in terms of future potential? Is He capable of ascending to the same heights? As the other two or is he expected to settle in at a slightly lower but still productive. Place I I still think with Kevin. Visual. You have to say that. The expectations than someone like Vlad Guerrero junior or bogus shot. But that still leaves room for a really good major league player and this skill said is pretty impressive Especially for young player. I mean what he did last year when it came to plate discipline is pretty rare. He had I of like a fifteen year veteran up there at the plate. He was just so disciplined so patients completely unwilling to expand the zone unnecessarily and he did have some ups and downs throughout the season where he would have to adjust and pitchers would adjust back to him. But you look at the overall results in you see someone who got on base who stole bases who hit for some power and who provided some defence and positional versatility. That really helped this team out. So you add that up and you have a really good player and someone who maybe in his best seasons could make an all star team. I mean certainly. I think he was worth something like two and a half wins above replacement even as a rookie when he didn't even play every game. So that's the makings of a very good player. The Blue Jays love his work ethic they believe in the person When it comes to Kevin Visual and his willingness to put in work behind the scenes but to to put him on quite the same level as flagware junior for potential furling on there but there is a lot of internal optimism over what he can do. When I ask one more question about the lineup it is really young lineup. Not just with the extremely young guys that we've talked about but really all the way down cover. Shot will turn thirty in April. But he's the only one who's can get there this year. It is just twenty s all the way down. So is there anyone here in the young or young ish category who is getting a little overlooked because we are all focusing on Bischette in Bijou and Guerrero Grill or Hernandez Fisher Jansen or even Alfred? Let's say is there anyone here who might take a step forward to is not part of that trio will bluejays are definitely hoping that you're you're missing a few guys on that list. I mean it's conceivable that any one of the guys you just named Ben could have a really big season this year and if that happens that will accelerate the blue jays. Time Line it will. It will make the the idea of a contending bluejays team that much easier to to imagine Need some of these guys to step up but as for who? I don't know I mean you've got Hernandez who did have an opioid over nine hundred. In the second half last year you've got guerilla who in the course of roughly a full season's worth of games played in the major leagues has no Passover over eight fifty and has. I think it's I think it's something like thirty. Four thirty five home runs so the bat place clearly with Louis. Gorriak junior can Derek Fisher. Do in the majors. What he's been able to do a AAA I mean. That's that's a big leap. That's not an easy adjustment. But he'll get some chances this year to prove that and even a guy like Jansen who is obviously playing an extremely demanding defensive position also has a long track record though of producing as as a catcher in the upper minor so there are guys who definitely have a chance to step up. I think it is one of the products of a young team. We don't know exactly who these guys are. There's a lot of volatility as far as what the offensive. This team is gonNA look like because of a few of those guys hit. You actually can have a team that takes a significant leap forward offensively but if they hit the way they did last year. Then you're probably looking at a below average lineup. Once again have a not fun question that I think will just get out of the way. Now Reese McGuire has had a bad off season and is due to appear in court after an arrest in March. I believe what's the latest that you've heard on his legal case? And what is the team's approach to his roster situation going to be what we haven't heard from reese McGuire himself yet and it definitely is uncomfortable situation for the team and one that appears to be the product of very poor decision. By Reese McGuire so here they are at this point seemingly waiting for the the legal process to unfold a little bit more and my understanding is. There's a court date coming up in March. I believe it's March sixteenth. Which point we could get a little bit more clarity on where things stand and whether there will be any consequences as far as Maguire's availability to the team but from everything that we've heard so far. It sounds as though the Blue Jays are planning that he'll be able to break camp with the team that he will be part of a timeshare of swords with with Danny Johnson behind the plate and playing on a regular basis so You know at this point. We don't necessarily know all the details. Maybe it's simply a poor decision. That reese McGuire will learn from. Maybe they're more details that that will make the same in a worse or better as time goes on. I'm not sure but the way. The bluejays are proceeding. They appear to believe that they will be business as usual. The only in a relatively short period of time on a turn our attention to the bullpen. For a second Ken. Giles really saw a resurgence. Last year. He went from having an era and a fifth in the forced to one eight seven era a two two seven V. His strikeout rate went way up though he also started walking. A bunch more guys so I'm curious what changed for him last year and and I know it's rude to ask you to predict a bullpen performance. Because it's just inherently mean. But what do you expect from him in? Twenty twenty s for what changed with Giles I do think that getting out of Houston was a good thing for him and he seems to really enjoy being in Toronto. He seems to to enjoy playing here a lot and and potentially would have an openness sustain here beyond two thousand twenty when when he'll be a free agent after this year but getting out of Houston where he clearly did not see I with Aj hinch. That was a good thing for him and so now he's in Toronto where he has that comfort level and the results were great last year. I mean he was when he was on the mound he was he was really effective. There were some stretches there where he he missed some time on the injured list but when he was out there he was he was great and I would expect that to continue as far as expectations for two thousand twenty i. I'd be stunned if he struck out less than one batter per inning. I think he's very safe bad to have a good home. Run rate have a good walk raid and that should add up to an era around two and probably a lot of saves to so to me. He's an an elite reliever. The one variable to watch their is just how he responds to back to back days. I mean he had some issues with that last year but the blaze have no reason to be to overexert child's. I mean if he goes back and he needs a few days off. That's that's fine. They can they can do that. And by all accounts he's fully healthy is far as the elbow going into this season. So something to watch for because it was a bit of an issue in two thousand nineteen but I see no reason to expect him to be anything less than a very effective reliever in two thousand twenty. This is a a fun and young and exciting team and sadly it just got harder to watch for folks in Canada. We learned that the obt blackout is going to extend to the entire country. No matter how geographically far from Toronto a fan might be. What is the recourse? That fans have here. What is the team's response to this decision Ben? 'cause I can't imagine. They're thrilled to have fewer fans able to access their games than they had previously will be. Tv is a great product. Obviously and for a while here in Canada Next level because you would have. Mlb TV and the Renault blackouts. You could watch any game. So that's the that's the starting point for this discussion. And things are shifting so now the Games are available on sports net now which is a streaming service offered by sports net rather than one that's available through. Mlb TV so this means that that's where bluejays fans have to go to get the streaming rights to these games and that's obviously a big a big change especially at a time that a lot of people are streaming their games. That's becoming a a a really common way for people to to watch and fans in some cases are expressing their displeasure over this and and expressing that this is You know an unwelcome change. So that's that's definitely something that I've noticed on social media and that's understandable on the part of those on the part of those fans you know. I think big picture going beyond this instance in particular big picture you want fans to be able to watch baseball and just as a as a fan of the game. I'm someone who always wants people to be able to connect with it. And so that's that's all. It was a difficult situation when you have people who want to watch and want to listen and who aren't able to connect with the game or with their team in those ways wanted to ask you a question. This is not a season preview question but recently Tony Fernandez passed away in. We have not discussed that on the podcast. But after he died there was such an outpouring of appreciation for him as a player and a person that I wondered if you could sort of some of what he represented what he meant to the Blue Jays organization and why fans were so broken up about that. News will yeah fifty seven years old. I think when he passed so way too young and someone who had a really significant legacy here in in Canada and with the Blue Jays. You look at four stands with the team kind of Ricky Henderson like history here in Toronto and with the Blue Jays. Someone who who just kept coming back and and you look at a offensive player. Who is really good? Someone who defensively was viewed as a tremendous defender. Who had this sidearm throwing motion? That was pretty pretty distinct and set him apart and really want over a lot of fans here and I think you know especially you look at his prime season so this is the late eighties and when I was looking at this the other week. There's a six year stretch there where he was essentially the bluejays everyday shortstop and I look back at the numbers and not only was he. This gold glove winning shortstop who who was really a defensive stabiliser up the middle but he was really good hitter too so you add it up and he averaged. I think four and a half wins above replacement per season for that stretch of time. And that's a six year period. So to put that in context I looked on on fan graphs to try to see which shortstops had averaged four and a half winds for the last six years in solicit to it's it's only Cisco Endure Manny Machado who've actually done that. So that's that's the level that Fernandez played at his peak and he ended up returning to the Blue Jays as as an infielder in nineteen ninety-three when they won their second two backpacks and returned again later on so he he had a long legacy here in Toronto. Someone someone WHO's definitely missed already and you know a real icon. I think when it comes to the Blue Jays seems especially those late. Eighties bluejays teams. That were the first ever. Good bluejays teams. I mean up until them this expansion team. Then you get guys like Jesse Barfield and George Balance Tony Fernandez. All of a sudden you have an actual contender. And he was a big part of that. Resurgence or Part of that initial run of real contending teams in Toronto. Yeah still franchise leader in some statistical categories in your right in those early years. His glove was so good and he did get hurt. He had some injuries and then he had some kind of chronic issues that contributed to his death but before all of that said in he was on a potential hall of fame trajectory. He was just a really special player at that point. So we will wrap up as always pay asking you for a win. Total prediction will. I do think they're up for a big increase. Their pitching staff is way better. Their offense should be better as well and they're not going to have those games started by guys off the scrap heap so to speak. So I think you add that up you. You should be looking at a team. That at least is in the high seventies for win. Totals in maybe a little bit better than that. I'll go with eighty one. Eighty one for my two thousand twenty prediction at long term. Is there optimism in your in this division with the big bed? Yankees and the Red Sox and the race. Who are really good again. And the Orioles are atrocious. Now but if all goes according to their plan perhaps they will be pulling out of that at some point as pooches improve as well. So is there sort of fatalism of a were stuck in this division with these giants and this? Super Innovative It's hard to have a sustained run of success there or are people hopeful because of this young trio in particular at least as far as I can tell the fan base here is excited I think that the signing of review with significant on a couple levels for that good pitcher shows that the team is willing to spend so I think that's a significant step and then also you have this young players pretty fun to watch Vladi Bo. I'm Kevin Busy. Oh this is actually pretty fun group to watch and you can imagine that they might take significant strides. So who knows? I mean. This is the spring training time for optimism? We we might have a very different impression of this group and a few months but at this point as we as we talk now. There is optimism around this team. And even if it doesn't convert into a contender right you can see the trajectory. You can see that this ninety five loss is not permanent. They are going to step forward to some extent than it'll be interesting to see how far they can go this year. All right well you can follow the Blue Jays. Thanks to Ben at sports net you can also hear him at sports net in addition to reading him and you can find him on at. B. Nicholson Smith Ben. Thank you again. Thanks man thanks anytime all right quick programming note a couple of weeks from now Meghan. I are planning to interview authors of two new novels about baseball. Gish Jen. Who wrote the book the resistors and Emily Neiman's who wrote the book the Cactus League? So if you're interested in doing a little effectively wild book club and reading those books to prepare for the PODCAST. Go check them out. Just letting you know in advance in case you would enjoy the interviews. 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